Drink Champs - Episode 181 w/ Angie Martinez

Episode Date: October 25, 2019

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today's episode we welcome artist, actress and radio personality, Angie Martinez! Angie is recognized as one of the most influential personalities in popular culture and multi-media. As she sits down with the champs, we chop it up about her legendary career.Being one of the few people to interview legends such as 2 Pac, The Notorious B.I.G., JAY Z and NAS, she still rocks the mic as she conducts high-profiled interviews with Hip-Hop’s new generation of talent.Angie shares the origin story about her radio segment "Battle of The Beats" and how it became a power house in New York City. As a platform for emerging artists, "Battle of The Beats" introduced a young JAY Z's music to the New York City airwaves. Later on "Battle of The Beats" would showcase the historic battle between NAS & JAY Z, playing their songs "Ether" and "Super Ugly", as the two MC's battled each other and became Kings of New York.Angie Martinez shares how important it is to stay grounded, fair and truthful while interviewing artists during their highs and lows.She also shares stories about her days at Hot 97, why she eventually left the radio station for the rival Power 105 and how the move positively impacted her career.Angie shares memories of Big Pun, Eazy-E, and talks about her favorite eras in Hip-Hop. Angie also shares stories of her Hip-Hop collectible items and how she received them.This episode is filled with lots of gems that you don't want to miss!Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And this is Drink Champs, motherfucking yappy yowl. Make some noise! And right now, when we started this show, we said we wanted to interview legends. And right now, this person in front of us is not only a media legend. She is a radio legend. She is a hip-hop historian. She's probably one of the only people who've got to interview Biggie Smalls, Tupac, Nas, and Jay-Z. She's got the Floyd Mayweather of radio contracts.

She was raised out in Brooklyn, but lived out in Queens. Lived out in Queens, but was raised out in Brooklyn at one point. She has constantly stayed on top. If you need to get hot, you need to get your point across, you got to come see her. Or you're nobody. You're the gum under the table.

If you don't get an Angie Martinez classic interview, you're the gum under the table. No one really likes you. I just want to throw that out there. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's your mother, one and only, Angie Marquis is the voice of the night.

Now, you were predestined to be who you are. Your mother worked in radio. She did. First of all, I'm so happy to be here, by the way. Oh, thank you. Let's enjoy it. Let's enjoy it. Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! I have some criticisms, but we'll talk about that. Okay, no problem.

We'll get to it. We'll get to it. She's going to backtrack a little bit. I have some early criticisms, but I'm going to hold them. I'm going to try not to host anything. I would like to apologize to my Dominican friend trying to take your drink to the bathroom. It was awkward.

Before I made a drink, it was wrong. He took it to the bathroom. I told him, take it to the bathroom. Something happened there. We were not proud of that moment. And then I went to use the bathroom. It was awkward. Before I made a drink, it was wrong. He took it to the bathroom. I told Tika to take it to the bathroom. Something happened there. We were not proud of that moment. And then I went to use the restroom. I can tell you don't have that many girls here.

No, no. It wasn't here like it. No, no. The toilet seat was up. You left the toilet seat up. There was no paper towels to clean my... It was a guy's bathroom.

You know what I noticed about when guys and girls use the same bathroom? The girls, you guys won't let your... Y'all just piss on the toilet. Y'all won't let that shit touch at all. No, no, no. You're staying spot.

They're perfect squatters. I'm going to get you like... But I'm going to add to the drink champs bathroom. I'm going to get you a candle. Okay. And some hand towels. Some potpourri. Some hand towels.

You know, we only had four girls on drink champs. We some hand towels. Some potpourri. And some hand towels. You know we only had four girls on Dream Chats. We had Amber Rose. This is the third solo. Angela Yee. This is the third solo. Third solo. Yeah, then you came, because Angela Yee came with Envy.

With Envy. And then with T.I. I tried to bring, I tried to bring Pacquiao to you and let me. No, no, no. No, no, no. Because we wanted to get you, because you're important.

So let's take it to the beginning. I'm going to stop. I'm going to let you be. Okay. You really do have a whole lime in your drink. That's hard. Well, because y'all don't even have a garnish just for the drink. Mr. Lee is bringing like a grenade, man.

I was like, can I get some lime in my drink? He gave me a whole lime. He gave me a whole grenade. It's a whole lime. He just said, you might appreciate the entire lime. Okay. So moms is working at radio. You might appreciate the entire line Okay so Moms is working at radio So you get the urge from that

Or No I'm a baby You know my mother was like I come from one of those families Where you know Your moms was trying to get out of Certain situations So my whole family lived uptown

They lived in Washington Heights My mother took me Wait wait Puerto Ricans And your mom is Cuban too right My My mother is Cuban Puerto Rican Dominican look at that. There's Cubans everywhere. Holy moly. You are great too. Yeah you're cousins. We're cousins. We're related.

So I'm still uptown. So my family's uptown from Washington and Washington Heights and Washington Heights right? So if you know anything about New York, you're from New York, you know that. Yeah. My mother took me the first, my whole family's up there. The stop is like 200, Dykeman, Seaman, whatever. We have to take the train. She moved us to Brooklyn, but not just Brooklyn, like the last stop on the F train, like by Coney Island.

Like the Warriors, where they ended up? That's where we were. So me and my mother moved to Brooklyn, and my whole family, the rest of my family was there because my mother was trying to find a way. You know what I mean? So she got a job. First at Polygram Records. She was like a receptionist there.

And then she worked away to radio and she, she was never on the air. She was like a, you know, she worked in the office. Like behind the scenes? Behind the scenes. Yeah. But I grew up hearing Conversations about radio I always tell that story My mother was like

I remember her talking about Radio jocks Like people on the air And she was complaining About somebody that He loved the sound Of his own voice And she would say

She hated people Who just loved the sound Of their own voice Like they just want to talk To be talking And I always remember that, even later, when I would be on the air, to make sure that I'm not just talking for myself.

You know what I'm saying? To make sure that I'm like, yeah, it was real. Stay with me. So I grew up in that type of environment. You got the bug from that. I got the bug from that. And then when I was 16, she was coming up in her career. She had been a music director.

She got me an internship at the radio station. And i got an internship at hot i was 18 and then i just grew up there that was like where i grew up at the radio station at the real estate let me stop you there because let me just let me just tell you something now this is completely not rehearsed who is your top five top five what mcs of all time This is such a random segue. It varies. I would say like Rock Kim, Nas, Ice Cube, Big L, Big Pun. Does it scare you that almost everybody's top five you probably interviewed? Does it scare me? No, I think that's amazing.

I think it's amazing too. Goddamn. Yay! But literally when I said that just now, giving you your intro, and I thought about it like, Eminem is people's top five. Jay-Z is in people's top five. Nas is in people's top five. Biggie's in people's top five.

Tupac. And you literally... Yeah. You literally... Yeah, that's amazing. I'm super grateful for that. It just hit me just now when I said that. And I imagine it's not changing because you're still in the business

interviewing young people's top five. That's probably what I'm more proud of is that I could sit down across from a... Generationally top five. Somebody now who last week I did like Blue Face and... Yeah, I saw that. And, you know, I had a really big interview with Tekashi before he went away. Oh, yeah, you asked him if he knew how to rap and he said no. He admitted that he did.

Wow. But I really enjoyed that interview. But that's probably what I'm most proud of. Is that, yes, I had those like classic moments and I was lucky enough to come up at a time when Jay was starting his career. You know, Nas was around and Wu-Tang. I probably, you know, all those artists were coming up while I was coming up. Let me ask you a question, what I thought was very interesting. Shoot. One time Elliot Wilson.

I'm so proud of you, Nori. You're so professional. ask you a question what I thought was very interesting issue one time you know when I started to do this one is not terrible no that shit is good so I remember reading Elliot Wilson one day and he said that he had to come to the Matt writes the entire line. That's the first line that's making it clear. So, I remember reading Elliot Wilson one day and he said that he had to come to the realization that,

you know, he didn't want to be friends with these artists because he didn't want... That's a lie. Elliot's friends with Matt aren't his. No, no, no.

I know that now. But this is back in the day. What was he at? This is the XXL where he had to realize that he was not only a fan of Hov, but then he was also a friend. So, he had to realize that He was not only a fan of Hov But then he was also a friend

So he had to Like to do that Did you ever have to like Charlamagne and I Have that conversation Because Charlamagne came up Under Wendy Yes

And Wendy was always like You can't be friends With the artists You have to be And I was always like It's not about When you're friends Like I'm not anti-artist

Or anti-listener Or anti-fan Like I'm Pro-culture Pro the culture Right So I never subscribed to that your friend like i'm not anti-artist or anti-listener or anti-fan like i'm pro culture pro the culture right so i never subscribed to that like we're all people we're all trying to do right by the culture so i i never really got that theory of like you can't be friends yes you can be friends doesn't mean you can't tell your friend i was like what you did or or how we're gonna move past that you you want what's best, right? So I never really subscribe to you can't be friends with me. But that's probably the problem.

Not everybody is for the culture, pro culture. They're thinking in a different way. They're trying to get gotcha questions or being journalists in that kind of way. I know. Unfortunately, that's the time we're in. Are you trying to do that with me right now? No, no, no, no, no. I'm just kidding.

That's what the liquor does on its own. No, no, no. We, we, we. Is that why you gave me the whole cup of vodka and a big lime? To tell you the truth. You know, we, we, we did what, what we did was we wanted to, you know, so many times you get 10 years in this game, they kick you right out of here. They call you washed up. They say you whatever, whatever.

And I wanted to, we wanted to give a platform to people that got these 10 years and is aging like wine. You know what I'm saying? Because you have 10 years, it doesn't mean you're washed up. You know what I'm saying? Vince Carter's going on his 23rd season. You know what I'm saying? And I'm just saying, so where was the platform for us in hip hop? So this is what we want to do.

We want to give people their flowers. Like, you know, John Singleton had just passed away. And I actually had footage of us saying to him, yo yo we we love you brother you know everything you did was great so we want to do the same thing for you as we want to let you know how dope you are and how you had one of the most craziest interviews because i remember um i remember new york kind of felt bad like felt not bad um felt confused because at one point when Pac and Big was going through it like when Pac said a certain thing it was like it was on and then you did you actually fly to Cali to get the Tupac interview? Oh yeah

definitely. Was that the Bay Area or that was actually Los Angeles? It was his house it was he I went to his apartment and shot it and we didn't shoot it was if people always think I have this Pac video. This is a picture. There's no video just we took a couple pictures but it's just audio it was like me by myself with like a little uh machine like this big and a microphone like by yourself yeah excuse me what like right in a room with probably more people than this right i never traveled to the west coast i'm 20 something years old this is my first big interview you know he says at the beginning of the interview he keeps he, we gotta be wealthy. Hip-hop gotta be wealthy.

He's like, no more performing in coffee shops. We need money because we need to change these hoods. He had great ideas about changing. That was with Nipsey Hussle. I'm trying to be a good interviewer, so I go and I listen to it and what he said

was what Nipsey was doing that's it kind of like like it was well those are pox scenes of anything that's very true that's very true that's a great point that's a great point you know I never got to interview Nip you never got to interview him we almost did we did it on the phone we did a brief interview on the phone and I'm lucky I'm glad I had that because I at least told him that I thought he was dope and I and his energy was so great. You know, we had a brief thing and we showed each other a lot of love. And then I would cross his path because he was with Roc Nation and we were so in the Roc Nation bunch and stuff.

Right. But it's just one of those moments where you take, you know, just you take that for granted. Like, I was always like, oh, we know. And I knew it was going to be dope. Like, I knew when we said it was going to be dope. But I didn't push the, like, you know, I regret that. My mother asked me, she said, I'm sorry I make this impression of my mother, but I do it. Let's hear it. Hey, baby.

She said, I've never asked you for a favor. I said, okay, ma, what you want? She said, I want to meet somebody. So I'm figuring my mom's going to meet Michael Jackson. I'm like, she want to meet fucking, you know, Lionel Richie. So I'm like, who do you want to meet? She's like,

big pun. I'm like, oh, that's my best friend. Don't worry about it. We'll get to meet him. And I pulled it off for like almost years

and he died. I never got to make that. I hate that. Because I thought he was going to be around forever. If nothing else that we learn from moments like that

is like to take, what I love, what I love that I see happening now since Nipsey passed especially, I see people showing each other love. Yeah. I see other rappers

saying other rappers are dope. Like Drake gave that speech at the Billboard Awards. Drake gave that speech. I thought that was dope. We always do that. I don't know where it's at. Drake gave what speech?

Drake said, you know, let's show people their flowers while they're here. It was a Dream Champ speech. Well, we started that. It was a Dream Champ speech. Well, he started that. It was a Dream Champ speech. Well, he stole it from you. Okay, that's good.

That's good. That's a time I'm good. It's okay. He can take that. But then he also bigged up, I think Schoolboy Q had done an interview and he bigged up Drake and saying, Drake should be,

people should give Drake legendary status already at this point. And so I guess he said all these nice things about Drake and then Drake took the moment during his speech at this big awards to say, thank you. Right. What was dope is that he actually was honest and said that he second guessed if he should reach out to schoolboy q and thank him yeah and then he's like no no no and he just he well good looking drake because you also

shout out left rack city and all these little girls and boys are you know are excited because you know his trainer is hollywood he knows he's from left rack and he he did that we'll play the clip you know has hopefully you got that so big that up man you know um do you think the reason why they don't give drake his props is because of the ghost writing thing if we're being honest i feel like every rapper like you collaborate with people you got people around you in the studio i mean even i hear stories about big being in the studio and little c's would say a joke and big would turn it into a song oh i've done that every oh yeah and so we literally took that i mean i don't know to what level but i look you can't front that drake yeah he's dope right i mean what like i just feel

like and i know there's people that are purists That like you gotta write Every bar And you gotta But Me and Funk Flex We and Funk Flex Argued for about 25 minutes I know but I think People use it as an excuse Because I think people

For some reason Just don't want to Give it up to the dude I think maybe Because he's too nice Or he's too I don't know what it is But he's too successful

You know there's like Or he's Canadian Wait wait He's what? Too light skinned He's too light skinned He wears too many sweaters He was the dark skinned guy

If he was dark skinned I bet you they wouldn't say that Oh man You think so I'm not sure Nah I don't think that But what is it You can't front on him

Like what is it I can't front on him But I think it's the success side of it That draws that attention And he's a nice guy, man. And he cares about the culture. You have a problem with Drake. No.

You have something. I don't know. Your producer's got it all wrong. He doesn't have a problem. Yeah, your producer's got it all wrong. You asked me that in your interview, but your producer's all wrong. I'm the one who... My spidey sense is sensing something.

No, no, no. The thing about it is I know he would never do drink champs. Why? Oh, so you're irritated by that. That irritates you. No, I'm not irritated at all because it's like certain people

want to control their environment. And we almost turned down Will Smith. It's not like Will Smith said, yeah, but Will was like, yo, we can't do the smoking thing. And the thing about it is I want to control my environment. I learned that from Leo Collins, right?

Leo Collins back in the days. Wait, Will Smith said he won't do the show if you smoke? No, no, no. One of Will Smith's peoples before we got to Will was like, yo, you know, he'll do it, but just you can't smoke. And the thing about it is we'd rather you come and we not smoke. We don't want you to give us those rules. You know what I'm saying? Because this is actually my show. And this is our

show, excuse me. And you know when I say mine, I say ours. But you know what I mean? You know what I'm trying to say? I don't want the essence of this to go away. This is praise and hip-hop. Now, don't get me wrong. When we take a Will Smith interview, of course, we did it with Luke, but Luke didn't tell us

not to smoke. Luke was like, yo, you know, Luke Skywalker. Luke, too Luke didn't tell us not to smoke. Luke was like, yo, you know, Luke Skywalker. Luke, too loud crew. Yeah, I know. He didn't want you to smoke? Really? Yeah, because he had the children there. No, he was doing political stuff. He was running for mayor. Luke got a lot of nerve. Yeah, I mean,

he drank with us. He drank with us. He didn't want the weed. Who knows? The thing was, he told us that. You know, he's got a lot of weed. For a matter of health reasons, man. He didn't want the weed. Like, he just, yeah. Who knows? Who knows? That's so funny. So, but the thing was, he told us that. I mean, you know,

he's got a history of, you know. So, you know, we just want to keep this shit to the essence because that's the reason why we don't interview new guys, right? So, but wait. So, if Drake...

Let's go back. There's no problem. I like how you take it over. I'm with you. I'm in this. Sorry, I can't help it. I'm in this. Wait, so Drake...

Did I just tell you? I said, I said, naturally, this is going to take over. So, wait. Okay, I'm sorry. So, in this. Sorry, I can't help it. I'm in this. Wait, so Drake... Did I just tell you? I said, I said, that shit's gonna take over. So wait. Okay, I'm sorry. So Drake not doing drink jams makes you feel a way.

No, it doesn't. To tell you the truth. No, no, no. Let me tell you what happened. Here's exactly what happened. I was on my squash beef run. You had a beef with him before? No, I was on my squash beef one,

meaning Fat Joe had reached out to me because I had just spoke to Jay-Z on some shit. And I, you know, I spoke about it. So Joe knew. Joe's a close friend of mine. So Joe calls me. Squash the beef.

Well, I put him in the right direction. I said, listen, just hit me. Bleak will make it happen. So Bleak. Joe calls Bleak. Whatever all the way up happens Joe all right nation so I'm on my kumbaya oh my kumbaya shit right so I you Farrakhan and like I'm like in Joe cause he's like kill he's actually gonna do the first

thing Joe calls me to do it Drake is all cool sides so what happens is what happens is OVO 40 who is um his, what happens is, OVO40, who is Drake's producer, OVO40, me and him have been cool since he did an article on the Vibe magazine. They said,

who's his favorite artist? And he says, Nori. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. You know what I mean? That's weird to me. So me and him started a relationship

and, you know, we just did Drink Champs with DMX. So he's, no one can get in contact with DMX if you can't too. So, OVO 40 calls me and says, yo, we know that DMX hates us because remember DMX did the Breakfast Club interview he was like, I hate Drake, I hate his light skin,

I hate his haircut, I hate his... His light skin is so terrible. He did say that, right? So... You might be on to something. So, OVO reached out to me he's like yo you know we we don't think he likes us but we know that you're cool with him can you could we maybe squash it so i reach out to dmx and i'm like yo you're not gonna you know like get on the phone a little crazy he's like

so i hook up the call again i just hook it up and I get out of it. So, that's where all this. So, people might think that Drake owes me a favor for that. I don't. But then I heard through the grapevine one of his people said, yo, you know, he loves drink chips. You told me this. He loves drink chips. You think he's watching now? I don't.

Bro, bro, I'm probably. He said, I love drink chips. But I said, yo, he said, but he'll never do it. And I said, why? He said, it has to be an environment that is controlled. And that I understand. You know what I'm saying?

Because like I said, that's why I brought up Will Smith is because... Because... All right. The thing is, I got to be in control. Like, I don't want...

But he got to be in control too. That's the reason why it probably won't ever happen. Like... We almost did an interview, right? I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this story. He won't mind. Because he's a fan of Drink Champs.

So anything we say here is okay. Hopefully. No, but we almost did an interview. I had reached out to him when that whole push-it thing was happening. For me, I have a real problem with people. It becomes like this when everybody's just on somebody like it i don't like when people gang up on like it really bothers me i don't know it's like uh you don't like bandwagoning i don't like bandwagoning but it's also like i'm trying to think of the word it's

like bandwagon because you mean like when they're like bullying it's not bullying it's not bullying because everybody they all grown everybody's a grown man but it's like um an angry mob and then once an angry mob happens and a swelling happens it's almost like uncool to say if everybody's on somebody and then somebody else goes i really like this you feel like that everybody bullies them huh did you feel like that about takashi like was that the same vibe what do you mean like about everybody talking about him well the takashi thing was different we could get back to that but when the Pusha and Drake thing happened I just felt like Yeah I'm trying to see your angle

Because I didn't see I'm not seeing where Where Pusha was the bully I just felt like No I'm not saying Pusha was the bully I'm saying the internet The Right right

The tone The trollers Everybody's like All of a sudden Everybody gotta hate Drake Just because Pusha And so I had reached out to him Like you know You know I'm wishing you well everybody's like all of a sudden everybody gotta hate drake just because pushing and i so i have reached out to him like you know i hope you know i'm wishing you well i want you to get past this

and this too shall pass because it is we've seen this we've seen the low low and people come out with a hit record and people forget yeah so even though it feels like the whole world is against you this week next week you're probably gonna be fine like you're so talented this is gonna pass those are not the words i just sent him a nice message and he hit me right back and was like thank you so much i i you know whatever and then we mentioned we talked about maybe doing an interview about it at that time um and it didn't happen and it didn't need to happen because you put an album out and he was back on top and everybody's all drake we love drake. Kiki, nigga. Kiki did it. Kiki changed the game. He didn't need to.

Niggas thought, Kiki, then you love me and we forgot about Pusha T and his baby. We forgot. We forgot. We forgot. We forgot.

This is true. I don't even remember the point of the goddamn fucking story. The point of the story is that we almost had that interview and then the time passed

and I didn't even reach out because I understand that he doesn't get anything From talking He's ready back on top The music's telling himself The music speaks for itself The music's speaking for itself

Because I always think about this It's not just about me And my radio show And getting my interview It's also like What's best for Drake? It's probably not best For him to talk right now

So I'm not going to push it And be like You said you wanted to I'm like actually He's kind of good right now Why would he All he has to do is Is lose

Like he's not going to gain anything About over talking in a moment Where he's back on a He's getting the graces of everybody back You know what I'm saying So I think Why would he do drink champs right now I don't think so

I wouldn't if I was Drake Fuck us I think fuck y'all I think fuck y'all Fuck us I don't know I get it No but i also think let a little time pass but it's fun because it's like he's got nothing to win or lose you know what i think you know what i think would be funny like like i think that him and me together if he comes here you're

gonna ask him about push you're gonna ask him about shit he don't want to talk about i asked birdman birdman sat in the same exact seat that you was at. And I asked him everything. I asked him in a polite way, in a way that is niggerish, so he felt comfortable. And I'll do the same exact thing. The thing is, I bring you into my world. You know what I'm saying? I feel like...

And we respect the Dodge. And we respect the Dodge. You do? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, yeah. Like, I know there's certain rappers that won't come to me because I'm like the FBI. Like, I already know the question that I'm asking most rappers. Yeah, John Wilson has never come back.

I saw him today. I'm never doing it again. That's a lie. He'll come back. He'll totally come back. He'll totally come back. By the way, that's the first thing that Fat Joe said. I was telling him today, I said, when I started speaking about Spiff TV, he was like, oh, no.

I'm never coming back. Get it all out. What? This is so peaceful here and pleasant here. Why would they not want to come back? No, but, um, ah. Baby, Birdman, Stunner. Yep.

Ah, but, okay. No, no, no. I was switching it up. I was switching it up. He was pivoting. You were pivoting? We were talking about battling. And we were talking about, um we were talking about um drake in the push of t

you also had a a crazy moment when after ether came out yeah jay came out with this record um super ugly and then jay actually apologized yeah on my show on your show yeah and did you see that coming because no i never see that coming. Right. So what does he do? He calls you and says he's coming up? Because it was through the phone? No. First of all, I think Jay got the bad end of that deal because it really should have been TakeOver versus Ether.

Those were the two of their better records. Oh, you're talking about Battle of the Beats. It was the battle we did on the radio, right? Oh, come on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me... Hold on.

Stay right there. But that was the day he... I got to describe this to the fans. Okay. Okay. At this point... Oh. Don't hit the table. Okay. I'm so out. I got to describe this to the fans. Okay. Okay. At this point. Oh. Don't hit the table.

Okay, I'm so sorry. What happened to me at the table? It's the podcast audio. We're totally unprofessional. It's totally different from when you was over there. But listen, Battle of the Beats meant so much. Like, you literally, if you was on the Battle of the Beats, you literally ran outside in your hood and told everyone, call his fucking number

and vote for me. Isn't that crazy? I got some Battle of the Beats stories, by the way. And if you won, you would proceed to the next night. You win five. Do you know what Battle of the Beats is? I mean, we had something like that in Miami. Yeah, you know where you got it from? Yeah, I got it from you.

Like Khaled created something like that on Mixed Night. You know where you got it from? Of course. We got all the radio stuff from you guys. By theed created something like that on Mixed Life. So, we got it from you. Of course. We got all the radio stuff from you guys. So, anyway, so... By the way, you know who helped me come up with that name was Salon Remy. Salon Remy? Yeah, we were on the phone mad late. I was like, I'm going to do something where we put two songs against each other, blah, blah, blah.

And we were throwing names around all night. What's happening in this place? It's my Haitian friend, man. And we came up with the name Battle of the Beats. And then Salon went and had Lauryn Hill do the promo for me. Wow. Okay, so what happens if you win five? It was Lauren singing it.

If you win five, what is it, five in a row? Yeah, then you go into like a Hall of Fame. Then you go into the Hall of Fame, but then you like actually get added to like light rotation in the station. Yeah. Huge at the time. Okay, so Battle of the Beats.

By the way, you know, that was like I was starting my career, so I didn't know nothing about my power. You were just starting at that time? I mean, I was starting way you know that was like i was starting my career so i i didn't know nothing about my power you just started at that time i mean i was i thought you was it wasn't like i was just starting but i i was already on night time what year is your starting i'm so bad at years don't ask me i don't know 90s mid 90s yeah mid 90s okay and i had went from doing overnights i was on like 2 a.m they gave me this nighttime shift it was like a big deal like oh shit people are like awake and

can hear me on the radio and so that's when i was like all right i gotta make a show and i came up with battle of the beats and you know i'm not understanding the power of it yet because we're developing it there's no such thing as hip-hop radio like we're making it happen this is a new thing so we i just came up with it because it was something fun to do okay so but then people started taking it really, like it became like a thing. Like I remember Lior calling me because I had put cannabis against LL.

I remember this. I got a call from Lior. Okay, go ahead. I'm like, Lior, call what? And what is he saying? What do you want me for? LL must win this. Basically.

We would do what we have to do, NG, to make sure sure Ella wins this I was like It's not up to you It's not up to me Whatever the phone call says Who wins What do you want me to do

Okay so Battle of the Beats happens It was Jay and Nas It was Aoife against Super Ugly Well that was years later Yeah I was about to say

It didn't happen In the beginning No I'm asking for Battle of the Beats At the beginning it was No but the beginning Is how I met Jay Because I had put Remember Ill and it was no but the beginning is how I met Jay because I have put it was remember Illinois scratch yeah I do

remember if you say I'll take her with Brian I'll take her it was another song I don't remember the name right now. So what's it say? Google! Google! Wait, but hold up. So Illinal Scratch had a new song out and I put it in Battle of Beats and I was like, I need somebody to go against this. And there was some kid from Brooklyn, Jay-Z. Ain't no nigga? Was it Ain't? No, it was before that.

In my lifetime. I put it against Illinal Scratch. But we didn't know who Jay was at the time I just put it up No Jay bodied Illinall Scratch But it was ridiculous I was like who is this guy

I remember thinking like who is Jay Z Like who is this guy Why is the phones going so crazy And then I mean years later Jay told me they paid people to call all night But He told me that I people to call all night. But... That's right. Years later, he told me that. I want to use that right now.

But, I mean, he told me that later. But it really got my attention. And then he won, and he won for, like, a few nights in a row. And then him and Dame showed up at the station, and they brought me, like, champagne. And then they showed up in the Rockefeller buggy-eyed Benz. And it was, like, a big thing. I don't ever remember them struggling. What do you mean?

Like, you know, every rapper... I just said they showed up in a buggy-eyed Benz with their logo on it, with videos. That's what you mean. That wasn't a struggle.

I never remember them struggling. Like, I never, like, you know, like, you know, there's a time in a rapper's life where, you know, the train is essential. Yeah, the train.

It's a part of it. I can't imagine him on the train. It's like... Or being underground. It's waking up in the morning, taking a shit, brushing your teeth, and the E-train. It's all a part of it I can't imagine him On the train It's like Or being underground It's waking up in the morning Taking a shit Brushing your teeth And the E train

It's all part of your life Most of the All of that time I was trying to work I don't think I've ever seen Like Jay's underground He looked like he was already Yeah I've never

I've never seen him Yeah totally Like I remember him Going to Crystal's in Queens And he was And he was buying Crystall back then And I was just like

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Like, I just made this up. People actually all of a sudden really, really cared. The apology, did he call up or did he come up? I forgot that part. No, he was at the station. So that was years later.

So Battle of the Beats had this legacy and then it ended. Years, it was over, whatever. Flex was like, when the Ether thing happened, he was like, we got to bring Battle of the Beats had this legacy. Then it ended. The year was over or whatever. Flex was like, when the Ether thing happened, he was like, Ange, we got to bring Battle of the Beats back for this thing. And then, so we did that for, and it was Ether versus Super Ugly. And, of course, Ether won. I think Irv Gotti was at the station.

Was Irv? K-Slay. I don't remember listening to this. I don't remember listening to this. I know K-Slay was a lot of people there. Right. But literally, as I was announcing the winner is Nas, I could see from my peripheral in the window, I could see Jay walking in. Ooh.

And I'm like, and the winner is Nas. It's the same. It's the same. Did y'all make eye contact or no? I knew. Well, I had heard that he wanted to come up, but the timing of it, it was not a comfortable feeling. All right. So he kind of came up and sat in the chair.

He was like, it is what it is or whatever. But, you know, I took it too far. I just wanted to apologize for that part. I guess for... That he said all that? No, no. I mean, I'm paraphrasing. I have to go back.

But it was that. I don't know how it was out here but in new york history that was ill because that was like the first time we got to see a grown man be grown and he was not comfortable and it's all the interviews i had interviewed him maybe four or five times already by that point in our careers and he was always you know always confident always whatever ran the show he said something from his mom it was yeah he said his mother heard and was like why would you say that you know he he was i guess she was disappointed in him for some of the think he said Something from his mom Yeah he said his mother heard it And was like Why would you say that You know he was I guess she was disappointed in him

For some of the things He said in Super Ugly So he apologized But what I remember About that day And for me I don't know It just was a moment

Was after Because I felt bad I'd never seen him like Somewhat defeated And that So we walked out the room I was like Off the air

I was like Are we good Like i was worried that this is not he's like your relationship with that's what i mean i'm like this is what it is i can't there's nothing i can do here this is what you know he was like no i get it i get it this is not even don't even worry about it but it was like uh i can't even explain it it was like he understood my role and my position And it was not A personal thing And you know He kind of just

Reassured me like This is out of your control I get it You're doing what You got to do And then he just Kind of left And then I was like

We'll see Are we going to be Cool or not I don't know And of course we were That's why I asked you The Elliot thing earlier Was it every time

You had to like Separate yourself And say you know what I mean that was A specific time Yeah of course Jay was already a friend at that point he had already supported me so many years and we did so many interviews and and but it is what it is i'm not gonna be like jay-z won he didn't you know i can't do that he understood he understood and respected you know like how hard it would to be like i mean he takes his craft seriously i take mine too i

take my job seriously too and i think there's a respect in that and understanding and if somebody don't understand that then they really not my friend that's real you know i'm saying like like how hard would it be like if if um like your relationship with jay and your relationship with with uh fat joe even fat joe you know when fat joe and 50 were beefing i still had to interview 50 Cent and show him respect. Okay, how was that? What was your Texas like? What was your two-way like when he was interviewing 50 Cent and Fat Joe knew this? I mean, Joe loves me and I love Joe

and it has nothing to do with me. And so I always try to be fair and I always try to, but also, like, 50's, you know. Yeah, he's funny, he's entertaining. He's funny, he's entertaining, he is what he is. I've always been able to, I mean, if you beefing with him, I'm not going to stop talking to you. When I see you, I'm going to say, what's up? And if I have to say to you, if you ask and I have to say what you did to Norah was foul, I'm going to say that to you.

But our relationship is still going to be separate from that. And so I just always try to just be fair and truthful and and let that lead and if and then if somebody don't fuck with you after that there's nothing you can do you only can control how you walk through a situation you can't really control how other people receive it so luckily for like somebody like joe and i who are really friends like right you know i stay in their house when it's i'm here in miami like they're really my first he must have he couldn't understand because at first he was emotional when it came to like i i know joe like damn yeah i feel like my whole life right um and at first he was emotional when it came to the 50 thing because he had he had never experienced anybody at hip-hop say anything

about him so i i knew he was off guard a little bit because this was like his first time and it wasn't like a guy said it and just was hiding. He said it and like, you know what I'm saying? So I know at first, was it a little awkward? Not really. I mean, I think I'm just careful. I'm always careful anyway.

I'm always careful not just to make sure my energy is right. Like my intentions and my energy is right and that's all I can control. If I'm talking to somebody and they say something crazy, to, just to make sure my energy is right. Like, my intentions and my energy is right, and that's all I can control. Right. If I'm talking to somebody and they say something crazy, I just have to make sure that I'm grounded in my intention and my energy. And then I, that's it. I can walk out of that okay. You know what I'm saying?

There's nothing I can, I can't control everybody's energy. That was them, and that has nothing to do with you. It has nothing to do with me. All I can do is show up and try to be fair and try to be, you know, do the right thing. I'm bouncing around a little bit over here. Now, there was this biggie phone call. There was?

Alright. Well, you a deep research. No. No. Hit him up. Hit him up comes out Oh god yeah Dog pound comes to New York

Right And there's this rumor That Biggie Smalls Called the radio station No that's not a rumor That's actually true It's just No one has proof of this

Oh it's on the internet somewhere For sure And this was on your show Correct It was actually I mean I was At that time I used to run Flex's boards So I would be in the studio With Flex But really this was on your show, correct? It was actually, I mean, at that time I used to run Flex's board, so I would be in the studio with Flex, but really it was Flex's show.

Okay, because here's the deal. Like, when they put it in a Tupac movie, they don't play the actual footage. They play gravy talking over it, right? Yeah, of course not. They didn't really use any actual footage, I don't think, for that. Oh, okay.

I don't think so. But that phone call actually... They just used that weird Snoop voiceover, which was so weird. Yeah, that was weird. That was weird. So strange. So this phone call actually happened? Yeah, it totally happened.

So Big, this is the first... Because you know the reason why this phone call is important is because this is actually the first time we get to see big stand up for something like for the most part um have you ever had snoop on i've had snoop on yes i've had snoop snoop remembers all of this like word for word snoop and i have had many conversations about this because i always dissect it like that okay because i always thought snoop you know snoop and i had a little weird thing because right that's when they were doing new york new york the video yes right so snoop remembers all of that very clearly he remembers the big call he remembers all people ran down here but describe that to us for people who don't know

because so big just calls funk flex yeah he was on the... But people have to realize, it wasn't like he called him to tell him about... You know, Big would often call into the radio. So that night, it was like, yo, they shooting this video in Brooklyn. Like, Brooklyn stand up. It was something to that effect. The Red Hook. But that was it.

It was like a Brooklyn stand up. It was a sign. That's what Snoop says. Snoop says, that's very clear. There's nothing unclear about that direction. No, I'm with Snoop on this one. Yeah, yeah. And then it got shot up.

But that was the first, because you know, that's why it's important. But then again, you know, it was a weird time. When you think about how crazy that is that we were also invested

in something that was so dumb. And kind of media created. I had a record called L.A. L.A. Kind of, but also artists. No, no, yeah, artists, but the media, if anything, inflamed it more. The vibe covers didn't matter.

That's what I mean. Yeah, of course. That was the media. That was pretty much it. And MTV News, maybe. But it was just a weird time. That was the first time that, if you had a privilege to actually meet Big, I remember coming up to Big in the tunnel saying, fuck them. Let's ride on them. And Big looking at me like, young man. Chill out. Chill.

Big really tried, by the way. He really tried to like not. I kid you not. I wish I could tell everyone individually like how far they were, how far to this area Pac was and how far this area Big was. Big really was like, I never did what they accused me of. He literally told me that.

And that shit, I never met Tupac, by the way. Really? I met Big, but I never met Tupac. And literally, and this crazy shit is we did a record called L.A.L.A. Oh yes

Where we actually I remember that We stood up for East Coast Because Oh so sorry Stop banging on the tape I forgot I think I'm in the lunchroom

So where we actually did With Mobb Deep With Mobb Deep And where we actually did it And I remember bringing it to Big And I remember him saying Cause it was for A Stretch Armstrong mixtape

And Stretch Armstrong Was hosting a Bad Armstrong mixtape and Stretch Armstrong was hosting a Bad Boy mixtape. Remember Bad Boy had the mixtape? Yeah, that mixtape was fire. So, yeah, and I remember Big telling me to my face, I'm not going to use that. And that's the reason why

L.A. L.A. came out the way it came out is because Big told me to my face, I'm not going to use that. And I was like, I was so hurt because here I am defending him. Yeah yeah he didn't want no parts of it he was trying he was living his life he was trying to be the bigger man he was and i think he just was trying to stay focused that's probably puff was probably in his ear like don't get distracted i would

imagine i don't know that for a fact but big tried and also snoop tried i think that's what killed ja rule was because he tried to like go the Biggie route and 50 was just different. Do you think so? You think 50 was different than Pac? It seemed like Pac was just relentless. No, I felt like Very different. Very different, yeah.

Both were relentless. Yeah, both were relentless and both hard. I just think one had social media when the other one didn't. Oh, imagine if Tupac had social media. That's what I'm saying. That's the only difference.

Oh my gosh. Imagine Big Pun on social media. Oh, my God. That's what I'm saying. Twitter? That's the only difference. Oh, my God. Imagine being put on fucking Facebook. Big put on Instagram. Holy moly. Holy shit. Oh, man. I had a moment just now. I'm sorry.

I'm literally thinking about. I miss. I miss pun. Of course, man. What's some of your Memories of pun Oh pun Do you know pun Got me super high

On the radio one time On the radio No no no I have no idea So I had never had Any like weed cookies before Okay And he came to the show

And he had a bag Of weed cookies And he was like Yo have one And I was like I had smoke So I thought Okay I can handle

A weed cookie And what I didn't know Is it takes time to kick in. Right. So I ate one. I was like, I feel nothing. I'm fine. Don't tell me you ate more.

Oh, I ate like half a bag. And then I did this with a crumb. And it's on the radio? It's like psychedelic and shit. And that little fucker, he fucking sat there and watched me do it. You know, because Pun was an asshole. Yes, he was. He was, I mean, in the best way possible. He was I mean the best way possible yes yes yes yes the people know that it was probably

hysterical like oh she has no idea and so I had way too many cookies and about so we finished the interview and I was fine I was like I can eat all the cookies in the world my tolerance is crazy nothing happened to me and then all of a sudden I was like... And I'm still on the head to finish the rest of my show. And I thought... I said to Patty Duke, who was my producer. I was like, I think I have to go to the hospital. I think I have to go to the hospital. Big up to Speedy and Patty Duke. It was Patty or Molesey.

It was... I don't even remember. I think it was both of them. And I wanted them to take me to the emergency room. I was like, I think I'm dying. I think I'm going to die. My heart... I think I'm going to die. Like, I just kept dying. I think I'm going to die. My heart.

I think I'm going to die. Like, I just kept saying, I think I'm going to die taking an emergency. Anyway, they wind up taking me home. Somebody drove me home and I slept it off. But it was terrible. Like, I haven't, by the way, never again. I won't have an edible. I won't have a gummy.

I won't do none of that shit. Because pun ruined it for me forever. So, um, have you ever, have you ever like, have you ever, have you ever uh-oh have you ever like have you ever it's never have you have you ever regretted the interview like if you ever like you know it's like you know somebody like a mike kaiser type maybe not mike kaiser but a mike kaiser type you know who you play cards with and they call you and they say interview you know you know, DC, Jeffrey, go, go. Who's that? You know, the new nigga. Right?

And then he comes and this guy, he's on lean and he's. I hate those interviews. You hate the lean interviews? I do. I don't like, I don't even like when people are too high. The lean interviews. Right. And by, you know, I love Nas.

But back in the day when Nas would smoke too much, I would hate our interviews because, you know, he's smart And he has so much to say But he would get high And he'd be like Yeah no He wouldn't So I would be like

I hope he comes today not high Because I always would get Better interviews from Nas When he wasn't high But I think I mean later He probably learned How to

Do interviews No no no He's ill now He's ill He can do it all now I'm talking about early I told Nas his first show In Miami Wow Ill and out scratch Opened up And Why does ill and out scratch Keep coming up I'm talking about early. I told Nas his first show in Miami.

Wow. Ill and Out Scratch opened up. Why does Ill and Out Scratch keep coming up? Yeah, they keep coming up. Ill and Out Scratch, yeah. But I was so disappointed, unfortunately, because I think that Nas was just so high. Yeah. In the beginning, yeah. Because you imagine Ill and Out Scratch.

You know how they are. They're together, interacting. They're all energetic. Dance routines and shit. And they were already For Nas And then he just was there He was probably too high No and you know what

You know a lot of us Was getting to learn our show But I'm jumping around But then later But yeah people If they're too high Or they're too Whatever

If they're on whatever Then it's never a good interview And also now I've learned And as I've grown Like I don't even want to You know we see people That are in bad conditions Sometimes

I never want to interview Somebody who's in a bad state. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like... I feel it's almost... Mentally? Or meaning they high and they... High or inebriated or they're on heroin or whatever it is. So drink chances are terrible.

No, I mean... I mean, drink whatever. And this is by your own... But sometimes people I feel like I'm taking advantage Like There's been people where like I'll literally stop the interview

And I'll be like Let's do it another time Yeah table I'd rather do that Than let you play yourself Alright And be Under the

You know Oh no not us We let them play ourselves You do that Yeah yeah We let them play See I'm not good with that I'm not good with that

You know Another funny story Is is when you brought up pun. I just thought of this. When you said pun, it was almost like a bully. Was when pun went to the fat farm, right? You know, where he says, I lost 100 pounds. Every time I see that, I hear that, I cry. Oh. But I remember me being in South Carolina.

And I had a show in south carolina and for for some reason back then people in north carolina could hear with south carolina and vice versa yeah so i was in the next state and pun calls me he's like yo you and um i'm like yeah he's like yo i'm like 45 minutes away come see me so i'm like all right cool you know what fuck it let's just go so i go to see, and the counselor knows who I am. He's like, oh, shit, you're coming to see Pun? I'm like, yeah. So Pun's like, yo, get a pass. They're going to give you like an hour pass.

So I'm like, all right, cool. So I go to the guy. I'm like, yo, can I get a pass? He's like, yes, Nori. But have him back in an hour, and don't let him fool you. So I'm like, all right, cool. I have no idea what he's talking about, right? I already see where this is going.

I put pun. This is back in the days we got a Van-tastic. So I put pun on the Van-tastic. You know the Van-tastic. So we're driving around. He's happy. He's out of this shit. So he goes, yo, partner.

So I say, what's up? He goes, pull over to the KFC. And I go, yo, partner. So I said, what's up? He goes, pull over to the KFC. And I go, yo, partner, I'm not the smartest guy in the world. But I know, like, you're in a fat farm. KFC and a fat farm don't go together. This is how you know a partner is a different type of dude. He said, I figured it out I said what

He said The fat is only in the skin All we gotta do Is take the skin off of the chicken And I'm good Me like an idiot Goes to the KFC I give him a 30 piece

A 30 I'm like You sure you don't want like a 5 like an idiot, goes to the KFC, I give him a 30 piece. A 30? I'm like, are you sure you don't want like a 5? He's like, why not? Don't worry, we're going to get a 5, then we'll come back and get another 5, then we'll come back. We just might as well just get the 30 piece. And I'm like,

you sure? He's like, listen, man, I do it there all the time. I just take the skin off. Me, like the idiot, 24, 5 year old I am You an accomplice I done bought the 30 piece biscuits Macaroni And a Diet Coke

For my homeboy Who's that the fat for? Why he's not the fat for? So the crazy shit was He eats it And I don't realize that you smell like grease Like if you haven't been eating fast food

So we walk in As soon as they walk in They're like, no, we never again Like we wiped him Every evidence of him In the world As soon as he walked in The counselors knew immediately Like we wiped him We Every evidence of Of him At KFC In the world As soon as he walked in

The counselors knew Immediately They was like They was like so um I just remember I'm just sorry I just remembered that story Because

That's a great story So Alright Uh oh It comes time You From what I heard You Want wanted to be the PD or of hot? I did.

This is pure rumor. Okay. I've never heard no inside information. Okay. And for some reason, these people say, you know what, you're and, you're who you are. But then this other opportunity opportunity this is a brand new radio station they got the slogan flip the switch everybody in Def Jam is if you flip the switch you strip the switch forever yeah

so people are scared for the switch at first. Clue comes over. Right? Clue comes over. Then Envy. Then Envy. But there's no Breakfast Club. There's no number one show. Everyone is looking at this station like, eh.

But then there's something remarkable happens. The Breakfast Club performs. They do it. But Sister Ange, when you thought of hot 97 literally you thought of angie martinez how is it to make that decision because i i don't want but obviously you don't want to talk about the numbers but obviously it had to be bigger than just the numbers because you're leaving family like yeah i remember like like, like, honestly, and I'm saying this

with all due respect to everyone else, but if it was anyone else, everyone would have just moved on. Like, that whole week, everyone was sad. Like, I don't know

if you've been... No, it was amazing. I didn't know the reaction was going to be what it was. Like, it was... I knew it was going to be a big deal,

but not what it was. I was not prepared for that. Like, I'm prepared. I'm over prepared over prepared whenever i do something i already know seven steps ahead what's gonna happen i did think of a lot of things and how i'm gonna do it and what i'm gonna all of that but the read the reaction of everybody i was not all the way prepared for like it literally was like like it took my breath in reality it is a job right it is a job, right? It is a job. You can move. You're the thing. But you created family. I always had this fear of being institutionalized in a weird way. I would watch people be in the game, and they only work for one label for their whole career,

and then they're over, and then it's over. I loved Hot. We built it. We made it what it was. Flex is my family. He helped make me. And then I have family there. Flex is my family. He helped make me. He was... And then, you know,

I have family there. Enough is my brother. He's still my brother. I spoke to him the other day. He texted me just to tell me he loved me. Oh, that's a drink. Taps.

Oh. Oh. It was literally like three days ago. And I still love him. Laura Stiles, I just talked to the other day also. Do some watermelon shots, Mr. Lee.

Watermelon shots. Watermelon shots. Watermelon shots. But it was like, I felt like I was being loyal to something that wasn't there anymore. So it's like, you build something, right?

When you say that's not there anymore, are you talking about the regime? Yeah, it was a different place. It wasn't the place we created. Because the original was Tracy. Yeah, it was Tracy. It was Judy Ellis who gave me my break. So it was a different place it wasn't the place we created original was tracy yeah it was tracy it was judy who gave me my break it was so it was just like we built this thing we make this thing and then this thing becomes something else and it becomes more corporate and it becomes different and all of a sudden you're there and people connect your name

with this brand and i just started feeling like i wanted to control my own brand and my own self. Like, there was new people working there, new people in charge that I had no really connection to. And so what am I being loyal to? Am I being loyal to Flex? Am I being loyal to Enough? Like, if we're friends and we're family, we're going to always be friends. This is what y'all do. You do shots until people get pissy And then you make them Talk about you

So I don't know Is that Keep going I'm not drinking this whole thing I just like It's too sweet So you're not being loyal That's nice

That's good I'm going to sip on it though I'm not doing a shot Cool Respect that And so my contract Was up for a really long time And they

Nobody Nobody there Was checking me on it It was just kind of floating so let me let me give you two scenarios right so i have all this this great career there and then what i just ride it out to the sunset and then it's over or do i look at my options do i look at i've built this not only this but i built myself up and now i'm still in a position where i have value do I just ignore my value

and just sit here next to these new people and next to this family, or do I just look around and see what's my options? So what's the thing to do, right? Before your contract ends, are you already... My contract had been up. Oh, it was up. Nobody even knew it.

They just... They knew it. Nobody was even... It was a little bit of taking me for granted. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? So it was like a handshake, like it was a handshake type of thing? No handshake. It was on... It was a little bit of taking me for granted. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? So it was like a handshake? Like it was a handshake type of thing?

No handshake. It was on nothing. My contract was over. I was just working. Like... Oh. And... Like month to month.

Because the rumor was you wanted to be the MD or the PD. No, I don't want... Why would I want to do that? You get paid less money than I get paid. Oh, wow. And you got to work twice as hard. Why would I ever want to do that?

Okay, okay. Why would you ever want to do that? Okay. Why would you do that? Okay. Okay. I wouldn't know. And so just what had happened was I looked around. Right.

Like, what's... All right, so what are my options at this point in my life, in my career? I'm a mother. I got a mortgage. I got life. Like, let me just know.

And then when I realized... Because I always thought of them as the enemy. But then I was like, let me meet them and see what's happening with me. When you say, let me talk about power. Power I realized Because I always thought of them as the enemy But then I was like let me meet them And see what type of human beings they got Power, it was the enemy right And so I grew up, that's what it was And then you meet people and you're like Oh shit, you're not bad people

You love radio You respect me We start having a mutual conversation So describe to us because this gotta be awkward Because you know why When we thought of Hot 97 conversation so describe to us because this gotta be awkward because you know why you're when we thought of hot 97 like again i want to reiterate this we thought of you and flex right yeah but let me tell you something right if i would have never moved right i'm always gonna be angie from hot 97 do you think of me as angie from power now or do you just think of me as angie martinez okay so what that's very true so very true would that

have ever happened for me if I stayed still and comfortable? But how is this approach though? Because... No, but I'm asking you the question. No, you're 100%. So that question alone, when I ask myself that question.

That's real. Do I want to be my own thing or do I want to just be connected to... A standalone brand. A brand that is, yes, we built it, right? But now it belongs to... I don't own it. It's not mine. If they want to sell be connected to a standalone brand a brand that is yes we built it right but now it belongs i don't own it it's not mine okay if they want to sell it tomorrow then i'm out of a job and then what there was no i just i just felt a disconnect from the brand and myself i felt a

disconnect i didn't feel a disconnect from flex i didn't feel a disconnect coming up but the brand of the radio station i felt disconnected from but how did this other side even get to you like y'all? It's our first go to them No way Because for years they would always try to come for me. Okay, and I'll be like nah I'm never gonna never going over there. You can't you could never afford I was on that young dumb because I feel like I own the brand the other brand I don't own none of that.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't own none of that, but I was acting like that. Right. But, so I was always like, no, no, no. But then once I had that realization, like, there was some things that happened behind the scenes, some decisions that were made

that I didn't like, that I had no control over. We did that show. I hated that show. The reality show? That reality show. Over VH1? Yeah, there was decisions

that were being made that were not in my best interest. So if this brand is not looking at my best interest, why am I being loyal? Why am I sitting here when there are other options for me? And so I started looking. And so I had put the word out that I would be interested in having a conversation just to see what's out here. And then when I did, I just felt like it's a better experience for me to see what's out here and then when i did i just felt like it's a better experience for me to know what happens that different i don't want to just have one experience my whole career but let me address like the elephant that was in the room

at least then okay a lot of the blame was blamed on ebro yeah i know a lot of it i love ebro for the record okay a lot of it was like you came in I might have even blamed him a little bit At the time In retrospect I do not But at that time It was a new regime He was trying to find his way out He was going from PD to on air

So he was kind of looking out for His best interest to an extent Which he's supposed to But also it made me realize looking out for his best interest to an extent. Which he's supposed to. Which he's supposed to. Right. But also it made me realize this is not my best interest. So let me start looking out for self. Right. Right?

Let me not just be dumb and loyal and be like, whatever everybody wants. But nobody's making sure this is good for me. I had to back up and be like, hold up. Who do you go to for advice when you make that type of move? Or you did this all on your own like you sat back or did you do you talk to a whole

I didn't want to talk to nobody about that because I didn't want I didn't want it to I wanted to control the narrative I wanted to control the outcome of that

and I have a theory that like everybody has a best friend right so you might be my best friend and I trust you but you got another best friend that you trust so I don't I'm a vault like if i if there's something i don't want people to know i don't tell nobody and the same thing if you tell me a secret and i value our friendship i'm never gonna tell nobody else because as much as i love this person and trust them they trust

and love somebody else so i'm very careful about that type of thing so i really didn't tell nobody like my man but i about it like we man but he knew but literally like that's probably it like even nobody like nobody and also I needed to figure it out it was so close and so it was so like a tender decision that I really didn't want no other noise I really wanted to know I was doing the right thing I've never seen like the industry shaking up like this like I can't I can't even lie to you. That's the reason why I keep comparing it to the Floyd Mayweather because Floyd always seemed so happy with HBO.

And then to see him with Showtime, it was just like, wait, what? Floyd don't own HBO. But we didn't see it like that. And the thing about it is, I know we spoke about it. Listen, if that was my company, we company We rolled that to the wheels fall off Or if that company was like hey you get to decide This this this then we could have rocked But like it wasn't

I was a paid employee No equity And there's also no protection Right If you decide tomorrow you want to start playing dance music Which by the way at that time it was starting to happen They were starting to play No no it was like a time they

were they were experimenting and i just thought i had been there a really long time they could easily make a change and then your ass is out and then what yeah so who do i leave my destiny to do i leave it to a company or do i take it into my own hands and decide what's the better fit for me? And I also just feel like you gotta shake shit up sometimes. I felt I was a little comfortable. I could've just sat there and rolled that out, but I was very comfortable. Like, too comfortable.

Where I'm uncomfortable because I'm too comfortable. You know what I'm saying? That was your statement. You gotta get up. You gotta shake shit up. And this is what I told Drewski too. I remember that day. Drewski was my show producer. And he was like, he was very upset. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, so he found out on the air?

No, everybody found out that day. Oh, that's right. The only person I told the day before, the night before was Flex. I wanted to have that moment with him. But everybody else found out when I got there. Like, nobody. So. And you said it on the air?

No, I said it right before. They knew. Everybody was already, like, in tears by the time we it on the air No I said it right before They knew Everybody was already Like in tears By the time we got to the air But what I had said to Drewski I was like You have to shake shit up

Like it's okay We did great shit That doesn't negate anything Doesn't negate my love For nobody Doesn't negate what we did But we're moving forward now Right

And so what happens Is when you shake shit up It forces other people's Situations to get shaken up So me leaving Op opens up a slot for Drewski or for Nessa or for somebody else to just, it keeps the energy moving, right?

And so for myself and for other people. It's not just, you know, me. Do you ever turn on hot and listen to it or you like, fuck that shit? I have no, no, I have no, and I'm not even just saying this because it sounds cool like i have no bad feelings towards it at all people think like you said ebro like i love you bro you know i'm saying but i can't keep myself tied down to something that don't

fit me no more because i love people like if they love me back they want me the best for me you know what I'm saying like so I never really subscribed to we got to be enemies because we work at different radio stations we don't none of us own either one of those radio stations none of them you know that used to bother me when um like I was still album release party or something like that and the labels would tell me well we're gonna have have a power party and then we're going to have a hot party. Yeah. And I used to be like why we just can't

and the crazy shit was People subscribe to that like they live like you can't be friends with the other You know the crazy shit is that's only in New York like it's mainly in New York

No it's not that's a lie I know in the major markets not in the you can't put a show in Jacksonville and Fort Myers. Well, because in smaller markets,

they're happy to get artists. They have less muscle, but they have beef against it. Trust me. All radio stations, if you have a competitor, it can get very serious. And the corporations that own these stations

have kind of like pushed that agenda. Of course. You're not doing that to me. And honestly, that's one thing I was proud of Is that There was so much hostility Between everybody I had

And everybody I power And I refused to do that Even when I left These are my friends They're motorcycles They're my friends Oh that's your friends That's what you're talking about

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Yay So Anyway I say all that to say Uh huh I was proud of the fact That when I left there I was able to maintain

My relationships Right With people there and then also create new relationships like I didn't even I never knew Charlemagne I never knew none of them and we built I don't remember the day you got over there and how cuz this is what I knew that Charlemagne was kind of a genius was because he had like like beef with the whole hot 97 and as soon as you came over there he had so much great things he admired you so much

but I love being able to break that wall down like it's not that serious look look at us look we here now I'm sitting across from you now what are we talking about exactly and it was love you know I feel like that was a it reminded me of one day I had spoke to Flex right and Flex was talking about this guy so bad and I was like in like, in front of the guy, and I just called Flex, and I was like, yo, Flex. He goes, no, no, no, no, no. It's just competition, Dari. He's like, what?

He was always like that. He's like, I meant none of this shit when I said it on the radio. I just, you know, I just wanted to know, like, we're in competition. And I was like, I had never knew that. And you know what else I respect about Flex?

I'm going to tell you. This is probably one of my not favorite Flex stories. Come on, let him come in. Come on, man. This is one of my favorite people's stories, not just Flex

stories, was I remember Flex saying that he had the Meek record, right? The what record? The Meek. Remember Drake had dropped? Oh, he didn't have it. It was a lie. He didn't have it. It Meek record, right? The what record? The Meek. Remember Drake had dropped? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he didn't? And he didn't have it.

It was a lie. He didn't have it. It was a lie, right? That's classic flex. He said that on the air? Oh, yeah. Oh, he had everybody. I'm going to play it

and win it the next day. He had people waiting for hours. I literally missed my flight. I literally was like, yo, hold on. Never had it. I was like, yo, look.

Classic flex. If I get on this flight right now and I miss this, I'm going to miss this classic New York moment. So I actually stood there and waited. So bottom line, Flex didn't get the joint, right? So the next day, I call Flex and I'm trying not to bring it up. I'm just like, yo, I got this record. And Flex is like, he's listening. He's like, who's on the record, Nori?

But he wants to ask me. So Flex goes, how did I look yesterday? I go, what do you mean? He goes, keep it real with me, Nori. He's like, how did I look yesterday? I said, you looked a little funny. He's like, was I baking like a biscuit? I said, you were baking. And he's like, do I look yesterday? He said was I baking like a biscuit I said you were baking And he's a bacon like a biscuit bacon like a business mean like, you know, you looked at he said no

Yeah, no, I said not not flex. But did you did you never have the record? He's like those such-and-such told me he had the record but I should have not listened to that And this is why I respect flex. And he goes, he goes, he goes, I know I looked at like a biscuit. And I go, I go, how do you know? He said, because I stayed home the whole day yesterday. He said, and I didn't open my door for nobody. But I had one delivery.

He said, I said, fuck it. They knocked on my door. He said, I opened it up, and I opened the delivery. And the guy just looked at me and said, rough night, huh? And, yo, he took his losses with his win. I had never seen somebody with the same smile that he had as winning. Because he loves the game. He loves the ups and downs of it.

He loves that. Like, he smiled with his loss. Like, I'd never seen nobody like, he's like, yo, Normie, of it. He loves that. He smiled when he's lost. I've never seen nobody like, he's like, you know what, I knew. I fucked up. I shouldn't have said I had the record. I know I asked you in a certain way. Has there ever been a time

where an artist has sat down with you, said some crazy shit, and then told you, yo, please erase that? Oh, yeah, multiple times. Okay. And I tend to... I tend to respect it unless...

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yes it was a terrible idea wait Wait, how many miles was it? 26? Let me tell you something. 26.2. 26.2. By the way, don't sleep on it. Because after 26 and you feel like you're going to drop dead, die, and you still have to run another.2? It's not every mile hurts. Now, you did this before Puffy or?

No, I did it way after. I just did this a few years ago. I did it the year when I left, when I went to I did it the year When I left When I went to power That first year I was so like inspired You know the rush Of going That rush

Could you imagine The rush I had Of that transition I just want to picture this So you leave You leave it You're stationed You get the biggest contract

Of your life Yeah And you say Fuck it What's this going on Because then that settles down And I'm like What am I going to do now?

I got to do something else. There's always some rich people shit. I'm just talking about it. No, the truth is that it was on my bucket list. I'm a bucket list person. I used to be, I was a kid and I used to watch it like, yo, if I could do that, I could do anything. I used to literally watch the marathon and think that. So I, it was a bucket list thing.

It's a specific marathon? What's the marathon called? The New York City Marathon. Okay, okay. So then, so then. I love the way she just told What's the marathon called? The New York City Marathon. Okay, okay. So then... I love the way she just told you that. Like I live in New York. I'm sorry.

I'm glad to live in New York because that's a big thing. I'm sorry. It could have been the Miami Marathon. We get a watermelon shot, Mr. Lee. Let's do a watermelon shot. Let's do a watermelon shot. Do a shot for that.

Anyway, so my friend Cece Sabathia and Amber Sabathia, they were doing this thing. Love the floss. Love the floss. No, Sabathia they were doing this thing love the floss love the floss no whatever so they were doing

a team for charity and I had just come off the high of this transition and I was like now's the time I'm gonna do it so we had like six

so I told her I'm gonna run on the team and she was like okay great she just mentioned the team I said I'm gonna do it the team? she had a team oh going to do it. The team? She had a team.

Oh, wow. Because, you know, in the New York City Marathon, you have to be on a waiting list. That marathon, you can't just go run it. I just can't say, fuck it, I'm going Tuesday. You can, but it could take two, three years to be on a waiting list to get accepted. Because it's full. It's every year. Unless you're doing it for charity, and you can find a team to be part of. So she had a team registered to go run.

So she had mentioned that our kids played Little League at the time. They were playing Little League. So she mentioned she was doing this team. And I was like, it's on my bucket list. I'm coming down from the high of the transition. I'm going to run the fucking marathon. This is going to be amazing in my mind. It's going to be amazing.

I can't run up the block without passing out. Like, I'm not a runner. I don't even know why I thought in six months. You didn't train for this? No, listen to me. So when I told her I would do it, I had six months. So I was like, in six months, I could train. I could train.

I could train in six months. I'll be in great shape by then. I can't run to the corner store right now. But in six months, I'll run the New York City Marathon. It'll be a great idea. Anyway, not a great idea. So I start training. I can't run a mile. I can't run

two miles. What's his shot? He needs a shot. He needs a bigger shot. I'll go in there. Take a walk. What did you say, bro? No, no, give him watermelon. He don't like watermelon. Give him aguaente. I already drank watermelon.

Keep the watermelon for the black people. I'm just playing. This is a joke. This is a terrible joke. Very racist joke. Continue, continue. I enjoy this little watermelon so much. I'm not mad at the watermelon. Puff, if you want to give me a check, say it now. Let's go.

Let's go. I'm not doing the whole shot, but it's very tasty. Anyway, so I start training, and I realize, wow, this was a bad idea almost immediately. But I've already said it on the air. By the way, speaking of Puff, Puff makes a donation. I'm going to give you $1,000 for every mile you run. Each day? Every mile.

Every mile. That's actual marathon. So if I run 26.2, he's mile. Every mile. The actual marathon. So if I run 26.2, he's going to give me $26,200. So he says this on the radio. People are making donations.

We got a big... There's a lot of pressure on you. There's a lot of fucking pressure. And I already said I was going to do it. I'm signed up. I got a blog about it. You can't call him sick.

I started really having like severe anxiety. Anxiety. Because I was like, I can't... You know, so I really having like severe anxiety. Anxiety, right. Because I was like, I can't, you know, so I use the app, right, and it tells you this is how you should train. Oh, you got six months? Well, you need to do one mile this day, four miles this day. So the days I'm supposed to do eight, I still can't run two.

So I know I'm way past, you know, way behind. But I'm like, all right, fuck it. I'm just going to walk when I can't. I'm going to run. I'm going to walk. I'm just gonna walk when I can't I'm gonna run I'm gonna walk I'm gonna whatever so anyway so about two weeks before we're supposed to run the marathon they say you're supposed to do a long run so if the

marathon's 26 you're supposed to run like 18 miles and that's the furthest you go then you rest then you show up for the day so everybody on my team is like oh cause they've all been training they're in great shape they're all ready for the marathon they've all already run like, oh, because they've all been training. They're in great shape. They're all ready for the marathon. They've all already run 10, 12, 16 miles. So we're going to do the long run as a team before the marathon.

Oh, man. Let me tell you something. I thought I was going to die. When I tell you die, and I walked half of it. Like, I thought I was going to die. So cut to the end of the 18 miles, I'm hobbling to the car. Like, I can't even walk. So, now we got a few weeks before the marathon.

And my leg is fucked up from the long run. So, from that day to the day of the marathon, I can't barely walk, let alone run. So, I show up at the marathon. And they got us in the VIP tent. Because, you know, with the sabathias. And so, there's like Olympians and pro, you know, with the sabathias and so there's like Olympians and pro, you know, athletic people there.

Oh, CeCe ran the marathon? No, CeCe didn't run. It was his team. Okay. So I show up. I'm hobbling to the marathon. To the marathon. I'm already limping.

Big up to CeCe who just struck out 3,000 people between the bottom of the wave. Yes. So I hobble to the thing and now I have to run 26.2 miles. This is how I know God is real. Like, I is real yeah I can see you because I literally prayed my way through the whole marathon like I prayed the whole way like first it was like get me through the first couple

of miles by the way so let me just tell you this real quick story. So the marathon, you start on the Verrazano Bridge. That's how it starts. And now I got my whole team. Staten Island. Staten Island, Verrazano. Yes, my whole team is with me. Okay. We're starting at the Verrazano Bridge. We all start.

And Amber's there, Assisi's wife. We're not even halfway over the bridge. This is the beginning of the marathon, and I can't keep up already. Your team is out. My team is out. I'm like, just go on without me. You're not even like a half a mile in. I'm like, go, you'll be okay. Go on without me because I'm running mad slow. So, um, I don't know. I, I literally prayed, but like there was a point I got to like seven miles and I was like, I'm going to finish this. I'm going to, when I got

to seven, I was like, if I could do seven miles, I'm going to do 26 miles. I was like I'm gonna finish this I'm gonna when I got to seven I was like if I could do seven miles I'm gonna do 26 miles like I'm gonna finish this it took me mad long for the last five or six miles I was literally like like like limping running like skipping and hopping running and I'll never forget this we're in Central Park and it's towards the end it's like a mile left sounds like nothing right because it's 26 but go run a mile right now it's towards the end. It's like a mile left. Sounds like nothing, right? Because it's 26. But go run a mile right now. It's still a mile. I just did 25 miles. It's still a mile left.

And I remember thinking, I'm not going to make it. Wait, after you hit the 26. No, I'm at like 25. Oh, okay. And I literally, my body was like. So it's a mile. It was beyond my mind. It was beyond my prayers. It was like, my body was like, you're finished.

You're not going to do this last mile. Your body cannot do it. You go through all five barrels, right? You run through all five barrels. So you started Staten Island, you said. So now you said you had 25. So where are you at at 25? We ran through Brooklyn, through the Bronx.

We did all that. Now we're back in Central Park. Wow. Yeah, all of that. I'm at 25, and I'm literally, I could feel my, you know, like I could feel myself falling to, like I was going to fall on the ground at 25. I was literally like, this is terrible. I've made it this far.

I cannot do another mile. I'm going to die right now in Central Park. They call it the wall. It's like a wall. Oh, no, the wall's at mile 13. I hit that wall. You hit the wall, dude. The mile happened on the Queensborough Bridge.

Oh, damn it. That's when you hit the wall. That happened to me. I'm on the Queensborough Bridge. It's freezing. It's cold. I hit the wall. I'm going to die.

Describe to people what the wall... Because I've been trying to... The wall means I can't run one more step. I'm going to die. Right, right, right, right. But then you still have 13 more miles to go. So I get to that. I hit the wall. I'm going to die. But then you still have 13 more miles to go. So I get to that. I hit the wall.

I'm going to die. I'm on the Queensborough Bridge. My knee hurts. And you know, when people are running, you start getting hostile. You start throwing your stuff off. People are throwing t-shirts as you're running. So I'm on the bridge. There's mad clothes on the bridge.

So I start thinking like I'm on MacGyver. I'm like, I'm going to take somebody's t-shirt and wrap it around my knee to stop the pain. And then I'm going to be able to make it past it. Like I literally, what's that? So I did that. I picked up some, I tied it around the bottom of my knee because my knee was like swollen and I was already in pain. This is at 13. I make it all the way to 25.

Imagine that. And now I'm going to not make it. And this is not the wall. This is something else. I'm a mile away and I can't go one I'm going to not make it. And this is not the wall. This is something else. I'm a mile away and I can't go one more step. I cannot do it. I'm going to die right now. I can't do it. I'm going to just lay on the floor. This is what's on my mind.

I'm going to just lay on the floor right here at Central Park and fuck it. It is what it is. I tried. Can't nobody front of me. I ran 25 miles. My body can't do it. I can't do another mile. I'm going to die. I'm literally running and somebody, there was this lady, I can't do another mile, I'm gonna die. I'm literally running and somebody, there was this lady, I don't know if she was,

older black woman, I don't know if she knew me or she didn't know me, but it was like, it was like an angel. I was about to die and the lady was like, I see you, you're gonna be okay. This was in the middle of Central Park, this random lady. That's your angel. She wasn't a middle of Central Park. It's random lady.

She wasn't a part of the marathon? No, she was on the sidelines. Did she have a shopping cart in my mind? She had a shopping cart. No, she was just standing there like an American. But I was going so slow. She was like, I see you. Why did she have a shopping cart?

She wasn't homeless. She's not homeless. I don't know in my mind. Is this how you say know. How she said that she had a job. There's people around me, but she's talking to me and she's talking loud so I can hear her. She's like, I see you. You're going to be okay.

You're not going to go down. You're going to get there. You're going to finish. And something about that lady locking in, I was like, okay, I'm going to do it. It's like when we was in Amsterdam, there was a guy who drove by on a bicycle, and out of everybody... I don't think it's just like it, though.

I don't know if it's the same. Something tells me it's not just like it. Out of everybody, this guy drives by on a bicycle, and he looks at my friend Diego, and he says, don't do cocaine! And he keeps grinding. Very similar.

Very similar. It's like the same story. It's the same exact story. The lady says, you're going to be okay. You're going to be okay, but it was like an angel. I swear to God. That's why I said, no, God's real. Number one, there's no way I get through that marathon without praying my way through the

whole thing. And then when I'm going to fail, this lady a lady screaming at me, looking at my eyes, telling me exactly what I need to hear to get me past that mile. And I did. I mean, I was literally, I was like, the lights were going off. The people were packing up the bagels. People were going home. And when I finished, it was late. It was dark.

My friends had finished two hours ago. They had to wait. But I made it. But I made it across the line. Were there other people Around you Like senior citizens And like handicapped

But we finished And we raised a lot of money It was good But anyway But now you can't tell me nothing And congratulations on finishing And congratulations Hell yeah

You can do anything You can do anything really Is it because you're one of them Like strong minded people Or it was just It was the bucket list thing? No, I'm strong-minded. Okay. When I'm locked in, you know what I'm saying?

If it's something like... Nobody wants to fell, right? Right. You want to push yourself. And I knew I was going to have to push myself. It wasn't like a real thing. But it was a good exercise for me to know, like, honestly, your mind is, like way stronger right than you

think it is when you're put in that position that you have to be right you know i'm saying if you told me run outside right now two miles i probably couldn't do it right but if you put a gun to my head and you were like run two miles i'm gonna fucking run two miles and that's all because and that's your mind right that's your you have to be able you have to condition the adrenaline because the thing about it like i just want to be 100 clear with the people it wasn't like power 105 was like supposed to like be the station to take hotline down like it was still secondary right like i mean at this time i mean coming up i mean our heart you know later on but at this point like this this is how new york city was looking at it like back in the day it was looking at it like hot was the a side and power

was the b side yeah that's always how the underdog starts right they were the underdog right um so did that have something to do with your drive of completing it it was like it really wasn't about hot or power it was about my own energy and giving myself new energy giving myself personal goal the freedom to try something else and it's okay no matter what nobody says no matter what people's opinion is i'm curious about how to do it another way i've been doing it this one way for so long i'm curious what's going over here i was i was excited to work with the breakfast club even though you know i liked what they were doing I liked what iHeart was doing as a company they were doing these big iHeart festivals

and I wanted to experience that too and I didn't and personally in my heart in my gut I didn't feel anything wrong with it so I just didn't want to let other people's

ideas kind of dictate what the rest of my career had to look like because then you because when you don't because listen if you don't take control of your own self and your own destiny

and you allow other people to run that shit, that shit could take a turn and you don't have no control of it. Absolutely. And then what? So I was really like, okay, I'm going to drive this shit. I'm going to take control of this

and do what I want to do. Otherwise, you could easily... We spoke about you seeing Jay-Z, the rise of Jay-Z. And then now you work with Roc Nation. You have deals with Taito and things like that. Was that easy for you to do that? Or was that a process as well? What do you mean?

Just getting into business. Because you get to see this guy. He a process as well what do you mean like i'm just getting into business because you get to see this guy he comes up as an artist and now let's be honest uh-huh jay's not coming to my meetings with me right you know say it's his company and i respect it and he has been a good like i use my calls sparingly like i don't call him for everything but if something big happens and i'm really confused about something or I need help, he has been gracious like that to me. Like, I'd be like, I really want to run something by you. But I don't waste those on small things. You know what I'm saying?

I call him when it's something I really feel and he's always been good to me that way. So being with Roc Nation, it's not like Jay's hands-on with my career. Right. But it's what he built. So it's the, you know, there's but it's what he built so it's the it's the it's um you know there's an integrity about what he's done and there's an integrity about how he runs rock nation and it's the people too you know they well i feel like that's that's that's the thing is like you said it earlier you was like um we don't own stock and, you know, hot and power. But the thing is, like, with title, it's like, we don't, we can't call anybody at Apple.

Like, I'm talking about not. Yeah, I know. You know, we could call, what's my man name? Larry Jackson. God bless him. He's a great guy. Yeah, but he don't own it either. Yeah, but he don't own it neither.

So, like, at what point are we going to start doing that? I mean, if you ask me, do I support, would I support Tidal before I would support Apple? Absolutely. Does it mean I wouldn't do something with Apple? No. Yeah. But why wouldn't we do that? We should support that in every way.

I mean, same way you're sitting here on Revolt drinking Ciroc. Right. You know, it's like, listen. God damn it. We on Revolt drinking Ciroc. God damn it. I'm just saying. We should try. I mean mean it doesn't always work

Because sometimes people What people build It doesn't really connect But when you can Right We should support those We want to have You know we should be able to

Right Have those platforms You know what I mean So Yes Nori Before we get out of here I would like to Because I seen you in a picture with DJ Khaled.

I really want you to say Khaled. Khaled. Khaled. That's right. Did I say it right? Yes. We've been correcting him forever, man. I know.

He's your friend. Say Khaled. Khaled. I would like, because I'm proud of the guy. Yeah. I'm very proud of the guy. I know Irvin is proud of the guy. He's Miami's very own of the guy. I know Ian Finn is proud of the guy. He's Miami's very own.

Did he let you ask any questions? Because I feel like he... No, I'm just saying. When it's like us. When it's like us. But how crazy is the house? Holy moly. Cali's house is insane.

Yes. And it's not so much that it's... I feel like he told his interior decorator, kill Puff Daddy shit. I'm just being honest. I just feel like he told his interior decorator kill puff daddy shit I'm just being honest. I just feel like he took his interior decorator as his friend He's like this my friend Antonio, and he never told puff He never told puff that this is and he showed him every part of his crib and said kill it in every aspect My face, I don't know if he did that in my mind

I'm just being honest. In my mind, I said, what happened? His nigga name was Antonio. My face. That's not his name. No, I'm talking about the interior decorator who took the shit.

I'm just being honest. In my mind. His house is beautiful. I made it up. No, it's a beautiful house. But what I love about it, it doesn't feel cold. People make a lot of money

and then they buy these big houses and it feels like a museum. It doesn't feel like a home. Like his house feels like a home. He got a part of his house that's outside, inside, but it's still outside. Yeah, yeah. But it's inside. I know.

And there's TVs and... I have no idea how to describe this. It's pretty big. The outside, inside. It's outside, inside, but it's outside. But then there's like family photos all over. I don't get it. Yeah.

And he has... Listen, listen. I don't know if you've been to Pop Crab, but Pop Crab... Scott Storch. Right. Same shit. They had their studio to the side. Like, when you walk in...

Oh, I went to that place. He has the same exact thing, but... He went to his interior decorator and said, destroy this shit. It is very well decorated. In my opinion, because listen, listen,

Khaled. Khaled. Khaled. Khaled. Khaled. And Joe is like in the illest competition. It's like, you know, brother competition. Yeah.

So, you know, I don't know if you know, Joe has the million dollar Audemars Paget. It's like a million dollars. Like, I brag about having a friend that has a watch that's a million dollars. Two days later, Khaled gets to protect.

Khaled. Gets to protect. Khaled. That nigga. I want you to go home tonight. Well, he gets to... I want you to go home and say Khaled's name

400 times. I'm goinged's name 400 times. I'm going to say 400 times. And in my mind, I'm like, I think he went to his jeweler and said,

kill Joe's shit. But Joe can't be mad at him because Joe taught him that level of competition. He pretty much. Joe put him on his way from the beginning.

That's a fact. That's a fact. I'm so happy and proud of Khaled. I am proud of Khaled, too. Khaled. I'm proud of you. What time is it?

What time is it to get a Khaled thing right? Give me one more watermelon before we get up out of here. Let me get one more watermelon. But what is your favorite? What is your favorite? We ask everybody this. What is your favorite time of hip-hop? What is your favorite length? Whether favorite We ask everybody this What is your favorite time Of hip hop

What is your favorite Whether you was involved With it or not That's really hard to say I mean You know because as a fan As a fan It was when I was a kid

Coming up That's what got me in it It was It was two times right It was Rakim That's kid coming up. That's what got me in it. It was two times, right? It was Rakim. That's a time. Rakim is a time. He's a period.

He's an era. And you interviewed Rakim. I've interviewed Rakim a couple of times. And you interviewed A$AP Rocky who revealed that he was named after Rakim. He was named after Rakim. And I'm surprised they haven't introduced them together. That's one of my favorite emails. You ever see that one?

Give me that one. Give me that one. I felt myself on that one. I'm sorry. You Googled it. No, no, no. I saw that live. No, no, no. No Google. There was no Google back then. That was live on Hot 97.

And he brought his mother there. That was one of my... No, he called his mother on the phone. Okay. See, I'm a boy. Yeah, yeah. You were close. You were very close.

You were very close You were very close I'm on point I'm on point You're my teacher You're my sensei But I know that I knew that Rocky Was named after Rakim

He had told me that On my show And then the next time He came And this is Look at Rakim How gracious he is He wasn't promoting

He had no reason to come And I was like I would really like you To come meet this guy He was named after you You know And he came And you know

If you know anything About Rakim Getting him somewhere On time We're trying to get him On drinks you have still And then on time Right

So he had to be At a certain time Otherwise he was gonna miss Rakim when he defeated The whole purpose He came He came on time He was so dope

And humble And that's what I love about him Number one He's to me One of the greatest ever Yes That's a fact And then also

He's super humble And he's just my brand And my And then also, he's super humble. He's just my brand and my type of rapper. He's what made me fall in love with hip-hop. That's an aww. That was like a brown sugar. Are you going to take the rest of your shot?

Alright, fine. I'll do the rest. Solid. Before we get about here, is there anybody that you, like, hated and then you, like... You ask people questions and you don't let them finish the answer. I'm sorry. I'm very guilty of that.

Can't bring this finish. Anyway, it's finished. I'm over it. No, no, no. Rockham was probably, personally, one of my favorite eras. Then also, I enjoyed... Oh, the eras, yes.

I very much enjoyed the Black Medallion. I was very much like a tribe leaders jungle brothers era you said black medallion exclaim like i think of that black black yeah all of that i was into all of that native tongue all of that was definitely like i know probably all the words to jungle brothers album like all the words. Me and Mary will do, by the way, Mary too. Me and Mary will line for line do a Jungle Brothers song for you.

Like line for line, still know all the words. So that time, but then as in my career, there's too much good stuff. I don't know. You gotta have one moment though where it was like,

what was the moment that you, like you, that you like, you knew moment That you Like you That you like You knew that This was for you I mean Different Different ways

Different times I think the Pac interview Made me feel like The Pac interview Made me feel like I could do things That could matter And how old was you

During the Pac interview 24 Wow It made me feel like Oh I could actually Contribute To How things Get presented How things like, oh, I could actually contribute to how things get presented, how things could be shaped, and I could actually help or hurt. It started making me understand that.

But then, there's a couple of moments. After I had a baby, I was feeling disconnected. Okay. And then when I came back, that was when the R. Kelly, Jay-Z thing happened. Remember that? At the concert when R. Kelly, the peppers, he got peppers, right? Then both of them came to my show in Jay-Z thing happened. Remember that? At the concert when R. Kelly, the pepper spray, he got pepper spray. Then both of them came to my show in the middle of the night.

Remember that? Oh, and he had left McDonald's or something? No, what happened was the show ended. R. Kelly broke out. Jay had to finish the whole concert by himself. I'm in the parking lot. Jay and friends. By the way, I had just come back from maternity leave.

I had been feeling disconnected. I was like, I don't know if I love this shit anymore. I haven't had a, you know, I was feeling like, eh been feeling disconnected I was like I don't know if I love This shit anymore I haven't had You know I was feeling like And then I was In the park a lot And Mike Kaiser called me He was like

Yo Jay wants to come To the station Now it's late It's not even my shift And he's like But he only wants To talk to you So can you go to the station

He wants to meet you there Right now So I'm like Okay Yeah of course You know this big thing Just happened at the garden R. Kelly broke out.

This is like pre-internet. There's no Twitter. Pre-internet, but everybody's talking. Everybody's outside the concert. I'm at the parking lot. Going to the parking lot and Kaiser called me. He was like, Jay wants to come up. So I called whoever's on the station.

I think it was Big Dennis. And I was like, listen, I need to get on. Right. You can stay, but you got to get off the air because Jay wants to come and he wants to talk to me. So anyway, we worked all that out. And then Jay came and he gave me the whole story. But it's the middle of the night. Everybody's tuned in.

This big thing just happened at the concert. And then while I'm there, I get the call that R. Kelly's listening and R. Kelly wants to come now. Wow. Yeah. So now it's like 1 a.m., 2 a.m. I'm on the radio in the middle of the night. Everybody's listening because this shit just happened at the Garden. Right.

And I told Jay, I I was like R. Kelly wants he's like you can talk to him we're just about done anyway so Jay Z tells his type of story and he leaves and then like a few minutes later R. Kelly walks in and I do the R. Kelly sound

it was so crazy the whole thing was just so crazy that my I was like this is my shit like this is what I

this is so good like I felt I just felt like this is I'm good at this is I'm good at this Like I'm good at this Right I felt like

Even when I Even now if I go listen To that interview I was like I wouldn't have changed Anything about What I asked How it happened

But your fear is shit Your fear is shit Your fear is But you know But also when you love What you do Sometimes when you When you put

Like whatever you do If you play baseball And now you're at The World Series You're like This is my shit This is what I came to do Like so when you If you play baseball And now you're at The World Series You're like This is my shit This is what I came to do So when you have

Those big moments And those big interviews And you deliver It gets those juices You know what I mean You feel And so that made me That brought me back to work

Like that was like Post maternity leave I just came back I was just starting to Feel like myself again And then that interview happened And I was like Oh this is

This is Let's go Like I'm back Like I felt like I had been Was that your favorite interview? Nah it wasn't my favorite But it just myself again and then that interview happened i was like oh this is this is let's go like i'm back like i felt like i had been was that your favorite interview no it wasn't my favorite but it just you have a favorite no i don't have it's that's too hard i don't know yeah i say the same did you have you ever felt as a latina that there was ever anything against you being latina that's a good question no not you know, you know what, what I noticed, because if you're from New York,

you know that if you, Puerto Rican and black, we grew up in the same way. Right. There was no separation. Like, I didn't even, I didn't even realize that outside of New York things were different.

Right, but when you walked away from New York, you know, So in New York, it's not a big deal. That's crazy. Because I'm Puerto Rican, and Puerto Rican and black,

we grew up the same, we go to the same corner store We talk the same Everybody smokes Newports Everybody It was like We lived the same life So there wasn't

A real separation I know it was in different cities It wasn't like that But it wasn't until I got on And then I would travel Right That I People would be surprised

Like Oh who's this Right I remember one time I was somewhere It was early in my career i just started traveling a little bit in la hosting parties it wasn't even la it was in whatever another city and somebody said to me who are you lisa lisa and i was like lisa lisa

because that's the only reference of a latina even in this space that they ever had it was such a weird and i was like wow people i didn't i didn't realize until i went out of town that there was that but in new york that was never a thing right you know i'm saying and i love and salam always says this salam just said this to me i saw him earlier that he noticed that after i had you know become something on the radio that he noticed that a lot of radio stations across the country started putting... Employing? Like an Angie Martinez. No, they didn't. There is still to this day.

I was going to say that to you. There's still to this day, like, that affects everywhere. Like, actually, it's called the Angie Martinez. I think that's... Yeah, you should be proud of that. No, it's amazing.

Are you kidding me? That's like the most flattering thing. Like, when I speak to independents and I be like, yo, so... Oh, no, no. You's, yeah, you should be proud of that. No, it's amazing. Are you kidding me? That's like the most flattering thing. Like when I speak to independents, and I be like, yo, so, oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no. You know, LA, such and such. Oh, yeah, she has the Angie slot. And I'm like, okay.

That's pretty great. That's dope. It's amazing. No, it's amazing. You created that, my dear. You created that. So I would ask you what's the proudest moment, but you know, this is Drink Champs.

So what is a moment that you wish you could have took back? Oh, God. What's the worst moment? I don't know if I have a good answer for this question, because I hate to answer, because I always ask people this question, and then they're like, you know, everything happens for a reason,

so I don't really... Yeah, this is Drink Champs. We take shots. No, but I really believe that I really do believe that but it's such a shitty answer

that I never want to say it but it really is the truth you learn from every situation I'm sure there's things I would've

done different though I don't I don't know I can't think of them right now that's a whack answer I know I'm sorry you can edit that

part out no no we don't edit shit you don't do no edits? No, we try not to as little as possible. We had the guy, Rory here, he tried to edit

and it didn't go right for him. He tried to edit. He tried to edit. The thing about it is we want to be as raw as it is and I want to tell you, you know, to your face, when it comes to media,

like, I was going to say you're my godfather, but I got to remember, like, you're, to your face. When it comes to media, like, I was about to say you're my godfather, but I got to remember, like, you're like, you're a godmother. Thank you.

Because like, I said this a couple of times, but I want to say this on our platform. I remember me and Angie, I just finally had the number one record. Because I had the N-R-E

that hit number one on Battle of the Beats and hit number one on Hot 9. But I was on the road. But when Superdug hit number one on battle of the beats and hit number one on hot nine but i was on the road but when super thug hit number one i was in new york city and i remember this like it was yesterday i love that and you you called me up and you was like boom and i guess you know like when a like person hit number one they're like they like to borrow this interview and i guess i was like i was this energetic he was like oh okay you built for this and you

said to me yo i'm gonna get sick on wednesday so you're gonna fill in for me and if it wasn't for that so i went and i remember i remember it was because i remember the the i love this story he the the number for hot 97 and um i don't remember if I knew the number because I was practicing or I knew the number because I used to be thirsty trying to call in to get my record played but I remember her just putting me in that position and and that's the very first time I actually got love to interview somebody to deliver information I always wanted the information to be delivered to me yeah and you saw that in me and I know you didn't really know yeah but but you didn't really know because you're like a guru no there's a thing there's a thing i can see that in people sometimes i'll see like i don't know that you could because you have to be

able to command the conversation and deliver and have a perspective and not be afraid to have an opinion or i don't know just and just be engaging yeah so there's people that could talk all day right but talk all day and who cares right but then there's people that could talk all day. Right. But talk all day and who cares? Right. But then there's people who could talk all day and then you're paying attention for some reason

and something about your delivery that keeps your attention and that to me is what we all strive to be able to do. Right. So sometimes I could see that in people

whether it be on air or off. Even Joe Button too. We saw that earlier, Joe. Right. Right. Big him up. Big him up too. God damn, make some noise for Joe Button. We saw that earlier Joe Right Right Big him up Big him up too Yeah

God damn Make some noise for Joe Button He always had that He always had that too Make some noise for rappers transitioning Because you know You know For so long

It was Either you You know Have a jump shot Or after After your career is over It's done It's done

That's the reason Which is so whack That's whack for our culture our community how do you grow like that you don't have a perspective you can't only have one perspective like i was trying like you have to be able to have an og perspective too and i know you hate the word but like you do have to it's a balance it's like we spent all this time to create this culture that you're just going to leave it in the hands of the inexperienced. You want to give the inexperienced and the new the opportunity to grow and have their own lane.

And that's great. But you don't want to negate all the lessons and all the things that we have learned. And also to be able to elevate it and pick people up behind you. Yeah, the Big Homie Little Homie program is very important. Like, me and EFN, we've advocated for us to have a hip hop union.

Meaning like, I suppose, We ain't organized enough unfortunately. You know what? Not yet, anyway, but.

I think, I think with Nipsey's passing, I think this is, Nipsey would have been somebody to help lead that, something like that,

yeah. Cause, cause the thing about it is, like, if KRS gets sick right now, I don't believe that it's on the responsibility of his family. I believe that he gave hip-hop so much. That he should get something back. That, I mean, not even get something back. His bills should be taken care of.

He should have no worries. Yeah. Do you believe in that? Of course i believe that i wish we would have organized and i've heard people have this conversation over the years but like who's our lead like i don't even know how that happens or how we do have plenty of leaders that could i think hoven now i think to give the money to david banner and kill a mic it's not they don't trust them they don to. They can create the platform to allocate the money.

Yeah. I mean, I think it should be like a SAG. I think SAG is a perfect example of what we could create in hip-hop right now. Yeah. Because SAG at all levels.

You could be the biggest actor and you could be the... Who runs it? Well, that's a thing. There is another thing. They sent me a letter the other day. I felt offended.

They said, this is my retirement plan. What's the name of the company? Oh, it was Sonny's. Sonny's was the company. It was something. It's the sack of music business. And they hit me.

They say, yo, listen. Here's your. Oh, not. Sutras with an S. No, no. I don't know what that is. It's something like that. Sound exchange?

No, no, no. I think it's Sound Exchange. No, no, I don't know what that is. It's something like that. Sound exchange? No, no, no. This guy's shit, you're retirement, nigga. You know what I think? Yeah, this is a fact. CSAC? I don't know.

Not that bank that you can sell your publishing to. No. We're all over the place. I'm going to have to Pass you the blunt Because I passed Everybody the blunt You can say no You can always say no I'll pass

You can always I gotta pass everybody But I've been Passing Fat Joe A blunt for 21 years You know how He hit one time He did

But it wasn't a blunt What was it It was a vapor Oh And it was weed in there It was weed in there He had a tube I should have

Bought a little CBD I enjoy a CBD pen CBD is the same thing CBD is for not know it's amazing I'm ready to like advocate for it I got a company for you don't worry about it okay we're saying off there okay but listen I was want to tell you that we appreciate you we love you thank you you have been holding down I i got more to do nori you know no no no but guess what okay we want to salute like i'm about to start eulogy it's not no no no no no but the thing is to me no no the thing is it's so corny when people big people up afterwards i want to big you up while you're here i I wanted you to tell you, like, to your face, like, I appreciate you.

You saw something. You saw something in me damn near, it was damn near 15, maybe 18 years ago. And you told me, fill in. And I just wanted to be on Hot 97. I had no idea what I was. But that moment leads up to this moment right here. The way you got the book. And the thing about it is you've been relentless. You've been resilient

on what you do. Don't worry about it. That's a part of our show. When we had beef with Elliot Wilson, we used to call this the Elliot Wilson Train. Oh, got it. Because every time

something deep happens, like, but we are in a great place. We're in a great place. So big up Elliot Wilson. It's not called the Elliot Wilson Train no more. Okay, good.

We call it the adjacent Elliot Wilson train. It's not him, but it's adjacent. But in our world, it's so corny to big up the next person. And I want to change that. I want to change the narrative of that. I want people to sit down and say, you know what? What you do and what you did and what you've done is remarkable. Thank you, man.

And I would like you to know that. I would like for you to feel that. Are you trying to make me cry? No, no, no. Has anybody ever cried on Drink Chips? Yes. Bumby. Bumby.

We went DMX. Jim Jones. We got three. Why did you cry? Oprah, we was not listening. No, no, it was because it was in the middle of the Cameron thing. He cried. Oh, yeah. I remember that.

He cried on our show? Yeah, he cried on Flex first, and then we had him the very next day. He cried again. But they're a great place, big up the gym big up yeah can't breathe okay you know my childhood right I got one record. I got LA LA and maybe TRY is like coming out a little bit right. So I'm on the road with Akanele.

Akanele is on the roll with Kid Capri So I don't smoke I'm like the wankster Even though I'm the guy who smokes Like all the There are dancers And people who don't smoke On Akanele's bus

So I'm fucked up So every like Stop I want to see Kid Capri Because he smokes So we stop on Kid Capri just Kid Capri says to me Stop. I want to see Gary Freak because he smokes. So we stopped on. Gary Freak just... Gary Freak says to me,

you ever seen my tape? I'm like, ah. I'm thinking he's going to play me some DJ shit. You know, like... It's a terrible story. Everybody knows where this is going. I'm nervous.

So I'm thinking... A porn tape or something? I'm thinking Gary Freak is going to play me some. So, I'm thinking you're going to pay me for something? I'm thinking you're going to pay me some tape. Something like that. So, I'll go in his room and he got

Sega at the time. At the time, I felt like, holy shit, this thing got Sega and Wii. Like, he don't want me to leave.

He's my best friend. But, little did I know, he said, you ever seen my tapes? I said, no, I haven't. And he plugs in the tape.

I'll fast forward a couple of parts. But he ended up with his legs like this. In the air. No, no, wait. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Why would he show you that? I'm like 19 years old. I'm scarred. I'm like, and this is my favorite DJ. This is Kid Capri. And I'm sitting there. Is he mad that you tell this story? No, he cries.

But he's like, he literally when he stood up and he's like Yeah! Never make that noise again! You know what I'm saying? Girl, we ain't ready! But he's like, yeah! From that moment on, I was scarred.

I would never, this is horrible. I'm so sorry. I thought, I thought, I felt like, give her another big up speech before we end it. No,

no, I can't take it. I felt, yo, but listen, from that moment on, I have never been to another man's room in my life. Like, these are like, yo, come on, smoke.

I'm like, yo, I'm good. Because I don't know what you're going to show me. I went too far. I went too far. That's okay. You went too far. I went too far. I went too far.

Oh, my God. So, Ang, you came. You hung out. I did. I enjoyed myself, too. This was pleasant. Thank you for joining us. Yes, and you have your own show.

I do. This is like your 1900 show. You ought to be getting money for a long time. What do you mean? 1900. We're going to make a show together too. We are going to do that. We're going to make it happen.

Don't say it here. I like that. For somebody to beat us to it, you know, we move slow. Yes. That's very true. Somebody will beat us right to it. That's very true. That's a good idea.

So, um. Yeah. What is your favorite part of the industry before we get up out of here? What's your favorite? Like, what do you can't deal, like, what do you can't live without? I like the idea of that like the opportunities are endless and i like that we've been around long enough to see what you know to watch somebody like khaled go from a dj to what he's been able to build or watch somebody see watch jay and what

he's been able to build or you know just a different world how you've been able to evolve. Chameleon there. Nah, it's like... Yeah. And I just saw Snoop the other day. I went to his compound and looking at what he's built in LA and it's just,

I just feel like... His shit like Scientology. What, his compound? His compound? Yeah. It's kind of amazing. Yeah, it's like Scientology. Like, you feel like you're about to...

Snoop is incredible. You know what Scientology is? Have you had Snoop on? You've had Snoop. Yeah, he's amazing. that's kind of amazing yeah it's like scientology like you you feel like you're about to incredible you know scientology have you had snoop you've had he's amazing anyway so i just feel like i never feel like there's not another thing i could do i'm always chasing something else i'm always and the opportunities like are endless right and so we could always grow we could always there's always even if i just was doing radio right and i didn't have these TV aspirations and things I'm trying to do in different spaces. Even in radio, there's always a new artist to kind of understand and a new thing happening within the culture. It's just a forever evolving thing. So it just never gets boring.

You know what I'm saying? Like it's always, I don't know, it's always growing and always, you know, keep going. Okay, so when we interview every artist, we go through the discography. Oh, God. And that was something that, when you walked in here... Yeah, you were playing Take Me Home. We were playing your own music.

And your face was like, what are they doing? You literally looked like... I have to stop doing that. I really have to stop doing that. Let me just say something. I used to be like that. You were never like that doing that. Let me just say something. I used to be like that. You were never like that.

With reggaeton. With reggaeton. At one point, when I felt like I represented for reggaeton, I felt like reggaeton didn't represent for me, I was bitter. So I hated everything that I ever did. And then I realized,

fuck these guys accepting me or not. I accept me. Yeah. And what I did is history. And I accepted that will you think you'll ever be there it's different for me right because because you really like you literally you walked in here was it because I always compare it to like when you like somebody busting out like let's say some everywhere you went somebody pulled out your junior high school

photo you'd be like please stop pulling that same photo so to me that time i was like a different it just feels and also i didn't have the luxury of i was already on the radio i was ready to do it so by the time i started doing music i'm a baby i'm literally writing my first eight bars ever like i'm learning how to do this but in public but look at it like this if you didn't do it it wouldn't be a dj call it okay call it call it because, man. Because you had to be his inspiration. Yeah, but what I was saying is that I didn't get a chance to. So we did the first album, which I think was okay. Second album, If I Could Go, was a top ten hit.

But I don't feel like I gave myself the chance to evolve to the type of artist that I probably could have wound up becoming um and so because when I hear it I hear the the babiness of it I hear like like a fresh new artist who doesn't I'm still learning through the normal I'm still learning I'm not as good as I could have been or eventually been right and so when I hear it now that's all I hear it's like uh I don't know it bothers me but I have to get over that because what I realize you gotta get over it I gotta get over it because what I realize

is that there are people that are connected to it so I'll meet some girl I'll meet some girl she'll be like I love this song I'm like you did it

and I don't want to take that away from her because I you know what I'm saying because of whatever my things are so I really have to stop doing that

and you know how classic Ladies Night is Ladies Night was classic yeah yeah super classic yeah Ladies Night was classic. Super classic. Yeah, Ladies Night was classic. And that was the first thing I ever wrote was my verse for that. I never wrote anything in my whole life until I wrote my verse for Ladies Night.

Before that, I'd only been on one other song. And KRS-One wrote it for me. So it was like I did that with KRS. He wrote it and was just like, spit this. And I was like, okay. And then the next time, Lance was like, I want you to put you on. It was like, I want to put you on Ladies Night. And then I had to write a verse. Oh, I always thought that was your record.

That was Kim's record? What planet are you on? I remember doing that. That was Lil' Kim, Not Tonight, the remix. That's Kim's record. Oh, that's right, that's right. I was only on eight bars on the intro. That's all I was on.

No, you killed that. You killed it. Thank you. You killed that. I always thought it was your record. It's not my intro. That's all I was on. No, you killed that. You killed it. Thank you. You killed that. I always thought it was your record. It's not my record. That's what lost you. I'm not the only one.

That makes sense. That was my record. You thought that was my record? Yeah, yeah. I was only on eight bars the intro. And then what happened was because the other radio stations would hate because I was still on the air. The other radio stations would play the record without my eight bars and i'll be like yo that's some real sucker shit even z100 like the big pop radio station at the time right i'm like i'm not even your competition

you're pop why are you cutting my verse off why would you do that like mad stations did that across the country they would cut my verse off of the song it was kim's song and they put me on at the end and i was happy to be there i didn't care I traveled I did the MTV Awards with them I did We got nominated for a Grammy It was crazy Right Off of eight bars

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you and floyd was the first people like i realized like you'll put yourself before the corporation and put your family before it and And the thing about it is, I just want you to know you're appreciated. I want you to know the dynamics. When I thought of everyone's top five, I've interviewed not one of them. Really? No, no, no.

Look, I'm only three years in this game. Yeah, yeah, you got time. But when I think of everybody's top five, there's no one's list of top five that you haven't had. Like, anybody, name your top five. I don't know, you're a little weird. Come on. The way you look at it.

The guy with the Star Wars shirt? No, the guy with the... Karis. Karis, what? Yeah. Okay. Tupac, Biggie, and Raquel. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Okay, that was four. Name your top five, Paul. Redman, Ice Cube, Big Daddy, Lauren, and is there another one? That's a very interesting list. That was four again. That was interesting.

You're strange with people at night. By the way, yes, yes, yes, yes. Go to bars. What's your top five. Yo, what's your top five? Andre D. Dowson, Tupac, Jay-Z, I'm younger, so Kendrick's in there,

and Kanye. You cool? No, I haven't done Kendrick. You haven't done Kendrick? Oh. We almost had Kendrick one time. Okay, we got one more. We got one more. That's the only one.

There was once or twice we was opposed to it. You're my man. Come over here. Come over here, because or twice we was opposed to it. My man, come over here. Come over here and listen. I'm going to be honest. You gave me baby powder. By the way, Kendrick, it's time. You gave me baby powder.

What is your top five? Eclipse Oil. Eclipse Oil. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop.

Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to say Pop. Got to The guy that goes to the bathroom with Cubs? Eazy-E's on your top five? Yeah.

And who else? Wait, what was the last two? A-Paul and MJG. Both of them take the two slots? Eazy-E, yes. You interviewed Eazy-E? Wait, didn't interview Eazy-E because I was not in the air yet. Wow.

But met Eazy-E and partied with Eazy-E. Wow. I don't know how Steve Rifkin knew them or whatever, but when I was coming up, and me and Steve were cool, and I don't know, we were at a party, introduced us,

and we all hung out. And so it's funny, because I still have a business, Eazy-E must have gave me his business card. I still have Eazy-E's business card. That was a floss. That was a floss. No, no, I have it.

That was a floss. Oh my God. So I have, wait, I have Eazy-E's business card. I have Branson's business card. Damn. He had a business card? Another floss. No, he had a business, and it was like music industry executive is what it says.

So that's like Branson. It is. I believe it. I have that. I have a pack of Newports that me and Pac smoked. I have a, the box has like a couple cigarettes in it. I have, I have like a couple of cigarettes in it. I have like a couple of key pieces.

So you have a museum basically. I was about to say. It's not much, but I have a couple of key little... It's going to go in Nas' hip hop museum?

Yeah, you know Nas' I love that he's doing that. Yeah. Nas, I got a few pieces. Yo, he looks like... Wait, hold on. You got the Newports that you smoked with Pac?

Yeah. Okay, are they Newport lights or Newport regular Right. All right. I need to know that you know what type of nigga pop was These lights I was gonna have a different opinion And it had like one turned over. Oh, yeah the wish I guess I had a wish holy shit pop was a real nigga. Okay, alright. That's what it took for you to feel that? Yeah, that's it. That's all I needed. That's all I needed. That's all I needed. So, um,

uh, I, what's the worst moment of your life? By the way, I keep little things like that when I feel like it's a moment. Like, even when,

like, I have a little thing that Chris Brown once did on a piece of paper like a piece of art. When Tekashi69 was on my show, he was explaining to me

the meaning of 69. Okay, what is the meaning of of 69 and it wasn't what i expected and so he took a piece of paper and he wrote the number six on it right and he was like what do you see and i was like six and he was like what do you see now i was like nine and he was like see you just saw something from two different perspectives and he talked about how you could see somebody who does a robbery and you could look at them and say, oh, he's terrible. He's a criminal. But if you flip it and you see them in a different way, you can see this is a father who's trying to feed his kids. He's broke. I'm paraphrasing the story, but it was about being able to see people in different ways. And I thought it was so dope and interesting that I kept the napkin I kept a little napkin where he wrote the six and a nine because I thought this was like I felt

I just felt something in that moment so I just found it the other day I was like oh this is the six nine napkin and I put it with my other stuff and I kept it but I have like little things like that that I'll keep if I feel like it's a moment you ain't got anything from Jodeci for some reason. I feel like you got like a KC or JoJo or something. A durag. A durag? What the heck then? Let me just tell you something. He has a tennis ball from KRS-One from 1986. Shut up. It was 1986, man.

When KRS-One first came here. No. He has a... It's like 92. In my mind, it's 86. He used to throw tennis balls With his signature on it Oh at the party

At the party Yeah at the show Who the fuck remembers that He has a tennis ball I brought it to him When we interviewed him on the show That's the craziest thing Alright this is

This is my son calling I have to answer Okay on here You want me to No I'm not gonna do that to you Okay no no Hi baby Alright this is it

This is different You okay We here I'm still here We're wrapping up right now This mom's day coming up too Alright Hi, baby. Oh, this is it. This is different. You OK? We in? I'm still here. We're wrapping up right now. It's Momma's Day coming up, too. All right. This is real Momma shit.

Are you OK? She's at Dream Chats Mamiyana. You sure? Oh, OK. I'm on my way back. I'll see you in a few minutes. I killed that? Yeah.

Momma, let's wrap it. I killed that? Mamiyana. I got to pick up because my kid, I don't think. Oh, that's something. Let's make some noise. Oh, that's grab it. Mamiana. I got to pick up with my kid. Let's make some noise.

So, Ang, I thank you for sitting down with us. Thank you, baby. So, is there anything you want the people to know before you leave? Well, there's a book coming up. You got two books. You got two books. I do have two books. One about healthy Latina.

Latina, cooking, yeah, eating what I did with, but then I have my memoir, which is, that was like a real book book. Right,

that was a book book. It took a long time to write. Right. I would do it again. I'm writing, I'm actually in the process, I probably shouldn't say this yet, but I'm in the process of writing,

changing the book to a script. Mmm. Like eating healthy Latina? Oh no. No, no, her memoir, come on. That's what I make a script about. I healthy Latino? No, no, remember. I'm going to say that's a best one. That's why I make a script about it. I want to say, I want to say.

A cookbook. I want to be in a movie. Like, I want to try to eat healthy too. The movie. Yeah, the movie. We went to a movie together. You didn't even talk about that today. That's right, that's right.

It was very awkward. It was Tuesday. It was Tuesday. Very awkward because, like, we developed his brother sister Relationship yes, and then Dame that you know, we're in it moving it like okay getting the bent again And we also did paper soldiers as well, okay, that's right I'm wearing a robe in the bed. We're going to do that. We're going to put a pillow here in between us. It's going to be perfect.

And we also did Paper Soldiers as well. Oh, Paper Soldiers. That's right. That's crazy. Let me ask you something. So maybe there'll be a role for you in the movie. No, no, no. Let me ask you this, and I promise this will probably be the next and last question.

Okay. My kid is going to ask. He's like, where you at? I know you're on Jake Champ. Did you ever think that Rockefeller, like when you see, like where you at I know you're on Did you ever think A rock and faller Like when you see Like you know With Dame and Jay Was that

You ever thought that You would see It here now No I don't even think Anybody How could anybody see that Right But you

I definitely could feel that It was not like anything else Like how they were moving And the shit they were talking And You know And the big vision that they always had dame was always like we could do that ourselves i could do that i could honestly that was very

like influential to me like i don't know if i even give dame enough credit for that because watching him make those movies never had made movies before and he was like fuck it we know the culture better than anybody else we don't make our own movies that was really like inspiring to me and made me see things but it made me see things in a different way like yeah it's possible it's not but oh by the way it's all possible right you know that was like and dame was dame was good to me too i remember we did um you know i was supposed to do american idol one year it was the first one yeah what happened with that what the fuck i do remember that Is it true that you just Didn't like turning down

I was very uncomfortable The whole thing was Really weird And they wanted me to Be this like You know And I just was like I just wasn't feeling

The whole vibe of it Yeah I can't be telling A lot of people They whack in they face I can tell you You whack behind your back But like I don't want to hurt

Nobody feelings in they face Like so You was going to be The Latina Simon That's what they was going to be the Latin assignment? That's what they wanted me to be? I think they wanted me to be somewhat like that. It wasn't me. And I was also pregnant at the time, which they didn't know.

So I was already emotional about it. But anyway, I'll tell you why I didn't do it in the first place. But when I got there, I needed stuff. I needed like, we were doing the runs. I went out with them on the road the first couple of days. We did the trials Or the rehearsals Or whatever And I hit Dame

Because you know Rock Boy was popping I was like Dame I need a box of clothes I'm doing this thing For American Idol He was like what? What are you

And he gave me This whole lecture about This is great for you You should do it But you know You're going to be Around those people You're just going to move fast

People are going to try To get you to change Keep people Keep the same people around you Because if you go into Hollywood And you start doing that Don't let people change And it just stayed with me Make sure you keep people around you

That keep you who you are That you don't get lost in a whole other world He gave me a lecture on it That always stayed with me Have a Mr. Lee Or Sonny around And fuck shit up Yeah Cause take

Take your cups Into the bathroom for you Cause you know Mr. Lee will bring Your cup in the bathroom And Sonny will break Your cup in the ground Right here

But listen This is what happens To people right Even rappers or artists You come from A certain place You handle yourself A certain way

And then all of a sudden You get these opportunities And these other spaces And all of a sudden You're around people That are not from Where you certain way and then all of a sudden you get these opportunities and in these other spaces and all of a sudden you're around people that are not from where you're from and then all of a sudden it changes your perspective and you start moving different i get that and so it's important to keep people around you stay grounded it's not just to stay grounded but it's it yeah i guess stay grounded and give you that right perspective and a certain authenticity you can't lose it you could lose yourself if when you get to certain and i watch it i've seen it happen to many people i know many famous people and i watch many famous people float off into this world

and they're gone and i just i don't know i thought that was just dope advice and he cared so much the way he gave it to me that i just always you know what I mean I appreciated that Has there ever been Anybody like Fronted on you And then They got And then they Like they got

Washed up And you was happy about it Like Never happy No I'm never happy about it I went too far I went too far That's the pity in you

That's the pity Yeah I'm not petty I got plenty of cases Cause you know how many people I see come and go You know They be looking at me Like I'm the washed up nigga Like know how many people I see come and go. They be looking at me like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm like, you know how long I've been. And then they'll say, alright, cool.

And then they're the man that year. They got their gold fronts. But here's what's whack. You don't ever want to Karma is, I believe in karma, right? Yes, me too. Somebody does me something dirty I go, you hold that. You hold that karma. I'm going to go keep it pushing and does me something dirty I go You hold that You hold that karma I'ma go keep it pushing

And try to do what I gotta do But when the karma comes Cause it always comes I make sure that I don't rejoice In whatever Cause that's Negative

Cause they're not bringing me Back into it And I see that With people Happens all the time Oh you don't spike the ball When you see something like that No I don't do it

I don't do it Like sometimes I do I'm very Like sometimes I'm very... I'm very particular about my energy. I just go on certain people's Instagram and be like, alright, he's still hurting. Fuck that. It's cool. It's not very Buddhist of you, but...

The speaker ain't get up at all. Alright, cool. No, I can't do it. I'd be afraid of God. I'm afraid to have those type of thoughts because I feel like God see me and he'd be like, oh, really? No, I don't have those thoughts, but I look and I say, okay. That's a thought and an action.

That's two less words, actually. It's not just a thought, it's an action. It's two bad things. Yeah, definitely. So, I'd be afraid to let myself go into a negative place like that because I feel like I will be punished for that. I feel like then my karma is going to come back to me.

So, I'm very careful about that. So, I just let people have their thing. And sometimes I'll have a problem with somebody and somebody will come back around and be like you see what's happened to them now that's what they get and i'm like don't please don't bring that don't bring that shit over here to me this happened recently by the way that's me you do that yeah i'll be like yep you heard what happened right uh-huh i told that nigga that didn't care That's me I'm sorry I'm petty But you know what got me Like I had to start realizing

That sometimes you just gotta be petty Listen Out of How many seconds of the day There is You allow 12 seconds to hate That's a lie in the ridiculous Who told you that allow 12 seconds to hate. That's a lie in the ridiculous.

Who told you that? Just 12 seconds to hate on some shit. Don't look at me. That's it. Only 12 seconds to date. Alright,

guess what's gonna happen to you? 12 seconds. That's your religion? No, this is it. 12 seconds, it's gonna come back

to your ass at some point. No, that's why it's 12 seconds. You just get rid of it. Then that's that. You never think about it again. That's scientific. How did you come up with that number? This is how I call it. I call it blow a whiff of it. Then after that, you never think about it again.

It's like scientific, like how did you come up with that number? This is how I call it, I call it blow, blow, fuck it. Blow fuck it. Blow fuck it? Blow fuck it. And just, you just, all right cool. It's not a real thing.

12 seconds? It's not a real thing. I'm just being honest. Nobody at home take this advice, this is terrible advice. No, I definitely didn't tell them to take my advice. I'm telling them this is just mine, my advice. Yeah, 12 seconds.

I like to go to Costco. You can be a piece of shit for 12 seconds. That's it. You're allowed 12 seconds to be a piece of shit. You're not allowed. No, no, no. I'm not telling you to put it on Twitter. I'm not telling you to put it on social media.

I'm saying 12 seconds of your life. If you want to sit... Because my man right there, he got on jorts, right? He does that myself. He has on jorts. Wait, we got to talk. No, not jorts. It's jorts, right? He does that. He has on jorts. Wait, we got to talk. No, jorts. No, not jorts.

It's jorts, like shorts. Jorts. Jeans shorts. Now, in New York. Those are not shorts. Those are jorts. Jorts. Short pants.

It's called jorts. They're short pants. Yeah, you're 12 seconds in. And in New York, they're frowned upon. You are 24 seconds of petty right now. You are 24 seconds ahead right now. You are 24 seconds. So in my mind, when I looked at his joints, I hated him. But I like him as a person.

Isn't it the one last time? He got a good heart. Oh my god, that's why he's fired up. Oh my god. Oh my god. Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! That's why he's burning up. Who is he? Oh, man. Oh, my God.

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