Drink Champs - Episode 184 w/ Fabolous

Episode Date: November 9, 2019

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. This week we chop it up with Drink Champs Alumni Fabolous! The legend shares some of his favorite moments in hip-hop that changed the course of his career. Fab also shares stories about being signed to Desert Storm, working with DJ Clue and the legendary Nate Dogg.Fab pays homage to his influences in Hip-Hop and acknowledges how he’s gained respect from his OG’s and the new generation of Artists.Fabolous also shares origin stories about some of his hit records like “You Be Killin’ Them”, “You Make Me Better” and his new single “Choosy”. Fab also chops it up about going viral on his previous DC episode alongside guests Jadakiss and Diddy! The Champs and Fab talk about lots of great topics, this is an episode you don’t want to miss!Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make some noise! And right now, if we don't have one of the most consistent rappers in the world, every year he has a hit. Either it's an underground hit or a big mega hit he has been consistent since 1998 1999 out here stopping doing doing it just being just being consistent um giving the fans what they want every fucking year one of the most lyrical people ever he gets looked over his lyricism sometimes because he makes so much big hits and people focus on that and they don't actually focus this man is a super duper real lyricist

plaques on plaques on plaques on plaques on plaques on plaques on plaques he's been doing it and i'm personally happy to see him from the beginning to where he is now, the only man in the whole world to get away with an anklet. No one can get away with this. Only him. No one crushes him, that's how cool he is. One of the flyest niggas in the world. If you don't know what I'm talking about, motherfucking Fabulous, baby!

So Fab, in the beginning, in the beginning you got through, well, let's pop the ace. Let's pop an ace. Can we celebrate Fab tonight? Come on, goddammit. We are celebrating Fab tonight. I cannot start this interview without, and I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie, Mr. D.

I'm into the plastic cups. You think this ain't got plastic cups? Yeah, it got plastic cups. I like plastic. I'm like a hood, Nick. I want to drink a spits of shit. I want to drink a spits of shit. I think I'll first drink champagne, too.

What? On a block with plastic cups. With plastic cups. Word. That's what I'm used to. So Fab, like, a lot of people, let me get to what I said in the intro. To me,

if you would have made records and take this, if you would have made records just street records, people would compare you to Blackthorne. You know what I'm saying? That lyrical thing. Because you're really somebody who really thinks about each goddamn ball.

Rob Markman, Right. Rob Markman, Right. How do you develop that? Rob Markman, And who inspired that? What artist? Rob Markman, I think the first artist that inspired me was Kane. Before then I was just a fan of hip hop. Like everybody who just had a good joint.

But Kane was the first person that I started seeing like style, swag, you know what I mean? The girls liked him, he still was hard. He smashed Madonna. Word. He was ahead of his time to smash Madonna. Word. In the social media era.

Word. Social media era. He would have been cloud chasing back then. Yeah, he would have been lit. But that was a little too, that was too much back then. I think the chocolate, the Doc's chocolate thing might have...

Yeah, and the Speedos. Remember, he had the Speedos. In her book, right? You talking about? No, I'm talking about Big Daddy Kane. On the album cover? No, that was with

Naomi Campbell when he had the Speedos. Remember? That's lit. He was Naomi back then? Yeah, I know. about Big Daddy Kane. On the album cover? No, that was with Naomi Campbell when he had the Speedos. That's lit. He was Naomi back then? Yeah, I know. It just still felt weird to me. It definitely was weird. Now it's lit.

Yeah, you pull all that on now. 2019 is lit. But just Kane? Nobody else? Kane sparked it for me. And he sparked line for line how he would even set up his bars.

Put the quarter in your ass because you played yourself. You know what I'm saying? What you want? Dope or dog food? Q on, huh? Dope or dog food? Kane was the first one. Then it was Big. All my influences was kind of close to me too. Big and then Jay because it was big. All my influences was kind of close to me too. Like Big and then Jay

because, you know, it was from where you from. So it related more. You know what I'm saying? They look more relatable to you. They look like you. They look, they come from the places

you come from. Marcy is seven minutes from me. You know what I'm saying? So all of those things, those are the artists that, you know. How is it seeing the new Brooklyn? You know what I'm saying?

Because this is a whole new era. It's like a gentrified Brooklyn. Like, y'all got a Soho house in Brooklyn now. Yeah. Like, that's hard. It's different. Yeah, for real. I mean, but it's good.

Overall, it's good. You know what I mean? I love old Brooklyn. I love, you know, the energy of old Brooklyn. I love, you know. Old Brooklyn's still there. Let's be clear. Yeah.

Old Brooklyn is still there. It's still underneath. Yeah, yeah. You make a wrong turn. Yeah, yeah. The project's still there. Don't clear Yeah Old Brooklyn is still there It's still underneath Yeah You make a wrong turn Yeah Don't go down the wrong block Exactly You know what I mean It's still there

But New Brooklyn Is showing you You know The progression The evolution You know what I'm saying Even you know Down to the Nets coming in

You know what I mean That whole That whole thing It just shows that Brooklyn is growing up A little bit too You know what I'm saying the potential too

and you think anybody got you on the show Brooklyn Challenge or pretty much you nailed everybody I think I nailed it because I said it all

I knew you was going to say that I mean I knew you was going to say that because I seen Casanova do an interview and he said that Maino called him

and Maino said he got you. Now listen to Maino verse. Maino verse is hard though. Maino is, you know. And he also, he's speaking from a place that he come from. You know, he's from Noce and Ave. He's from the street.

So he know, but I mean, on that type of time, that's what I do. I could sing, I might even could say that my verse started that challenge, you know what I'm saying? It's like, when you walk on something so bad, like, you know, everybody want to walk, you know, everybody want to learn how to walk. You ever felt like you did a record where you didn't have the best verse? My first question for anybody that's on Band From TV is, who had the best verse on Band From TV? That kissing Styles back and forth was deadly.

I didn't like Styles back then. It was almost a cheat code because it was two of them. I didn't like Styles back then. Styles smoked a cheat code Cause it was two of them Yeah I didn't like Styles back then Yeah Word Styles smoked my weed And went past it back to me I was like Yo what the fuck is going on

And I didn't know Niggas smoke personals That definitely sounds like A Styles people Now he's my man So that was your favorite No but what was Is there a record that you

You felt like you should've Went back in And changed your verse or It probably is records That I felt like I could've You, after the fact, but I was cool with it at the time. Like when I do them, I listen to it enough to say, all right, yeah, now we can send it over.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not like the freestyle off the top of the head and just give anybody anything. Like I really sit and put in the... You know what I mean? I think people respect that. I think when people even get verses back from me, they listen. They don't sound like, if you get a verse from a dude,

he be like, man, this nigga just said anything on this shit. You know, I don't think, I don't think I give people that energy. Now, at one point you was doing,

I think it was the Friday Night Freestyles, or something. It was you and Jada, right? Now, you were predominantly doing records that was out already, or you was doing new records too? Nah, I was 90s okay okay freestyle have you ever freezed out on someone's new record and they got mad at you no no no I've got calls before when I was the biggest art bigger

artists and I would rhyme on someone's record and then the radio or the people that's cool or something will play my version as opposed to playing the other artist's version. So I've got calls like that. I mean, we was doing that back then, you know what I'm saying? Because at that time, we was jumping on new shit. Like for instance, French Bobby Smurda remix almost got a little bit more burned than the original. It got a lot of energy.

You know what I'm saying? I could imagine Bobby Smyrna labels calling. You know the sneaky behind that? Prince was supposed to be on a remix, but Prince just threw his out. So he threw his out before the remix was completed.

He might have not even put it out. Let me say that. I don't know if he put it out. But it came out with just him and the Bobby Smyrna when it was supposed to have been all the people that was, I guess, on the remix. So they got that one first.

And then I know that because the Smyrna boys was telling me they hadn't finished putting the remix together yet. But that one was out now, so people going to play the new joint. French's joint is out. Oh, yeah. They really do know each other, huh? We do. Oh, yeah, they really do know each other Pick up the friendly man in the background Then he tried to bring some niggas to my projects to battle me

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let's stop. Let's stop. Okay. Hold on. This is this is this is you already on or you are okay? This is me the balls. balls up hot in the hood Okay Pre-Clue tapes? Was it pre-Clue? I might have had a few Clue freestyles at this point Okay And you know niggas is trying This is after me and you met at Half 97?

This is like 98 Clout Chasing Okay He brought his three Guess who the three guys were I know who exactly who it was the franchise red cafe uh what's the other nigga biggie biggie gravy and um what's the other nigga the third nigga cute cute cute he in atlanta somewhere i need to i need to i need to understand this fat i said i ain't battling y'all niggas. My little man

in the black jacket. Did that happen like that, Freddie? Absolutely. I'm not going to lie. I'm kind of happy. You know, Gravy where they ended up. You could have, even Red

Cat Freddie. I knew them from back then with Mike Leidy and shit like that, running around with Mike Leidy. Yeah. They was actually a little hot. Like, they had got a little. I hear a front. Rad Café killed his Brooklyn freestyle.

Did you see it? He killed it. He killed it. He looked like his face was strong. Yeah. He took a big shot at hitting it. Yeah. He was working out his head

Like yo You know what I'm saying Like he was ready Don't look at some Old aces face So You come into the game How do you essentially

Even connect with Clue Through my My managers at the time Kev Webb And Cheo Oh wow They knew

Oh I thought you knew Kev Webb Through Clue Nah You knew Kev Webb first Yeah Oh wow I met them in my hood

On Best Stop And um They They You know at the time A couple guys Was coming around Saying they could get me on

So they was Another You know Group of those guys So I was just really I would let people Just have the opportunity Let me see what you can do

You know what I'm saying Cause everybody telling me They could get me on. At that time, too, there was no internet and all of that. So it was more like who you knew kind of thing. And who they knew was Clue. Clue at the time was, you know, Clue. That's the story. It was that dude.

Had the Monday night mixtape, had the mixtape game. It was a big deal. So, you know, they brought me up to Clue. We met Clue. And from that point on, I wouldn't say they was managers, my managers from that point on, but I saw that they connected on their word. You know what I'm saying? They were saying that they could get me to Clue.

Because a lot of people at that time was just saying, you know, it was doing a big Fendi, just saying they could get you on. Right, right, right. Now, whoever's your booking agent is a platinum, because you like every, like, I ain't going to lie,

like, every other day you're in, like, Vegas or somewhere, like, you have a platinum agent? Or is that your hits no you gotta relax I definitely didn't even think like that. I definitely didn't. No, but I'm proud. Like, you're holding it in the mall. Do you realize, like, do you realize most rappers can't work like that, though? Most rappers can't even receive work. You know what I'm trying to say?

Like, you really can go out every weekend if you wanted. You know what I'm saying? Like, you really can. Like, this, this, this, like, Fat Joe was a special one like that. There's not a lot, there's not It's better that way. There's, like, Fat Joe was a special one like that. Mm-hmm. There's not a lot more. There's not. I mean, there's people... I mean, there's, like,

always... 50. Uh-uh-uh. You gotta relax. Always, always... Always, like, a DMX. Always, like, a DMX who's elder

and might not have a hit now, but people... He can still sell out a crowd. But a lot of people, like... You can still throw in... Like, like... Listen, and this is real shit. people, he can still sell it to the crowd. But a lot of people like, you can still throw in a joint on it. Like, listen, and this is real shit. Like, you can turn around. I can go like this. I can close my

eyes and pick a state. And I can see that you was there. Like, that's fucking dope. Let's make some noise for that guy, damn it. Make some noise for that, man. Because your booking agent is classic. Whoever the fuck it is This ain't Fendi I'm gonna kidnap this nigga man

She's Louise Papa Cheese Well So um Yeah definitely man I'm gonna big that up man Fendi stay low Keep firing Is it time for

I think it's time for Tiger Ball Are you ready for Tiger Ball Or you wanna do um Your smooth shit Tiger Ball Tiger Ball Oh that's That's a perfect That's to do your smooth shit? What? Tiger Bone? Oh, that's a perfect introduction to Tiger Bone.

What's Tiger Bone? And first of all, first of all, Fab, you said you were size 9 1⁄2 or 10? 9 1⁄2. Okay, 9 1⁄2. Booyah. These are love gifts. You know what I'm saying? I don't get many gifts, so I appreciate all gifts that are given to me.

Yes, yes. We try to take care of our artists, man. Yo, Fab, you realize I brag about you, you know what I mean? I brag about you too. I brag, I be like, yo, I know this nigga since he first came in the game. He thinks he beat me in that freestyle. I don't think that.

That's why I knew you was gonna say you never got smoked on the record. I knew you was gonna say that because you a very competitive guy. Listen, again. But you did not win. Just to be clear. I won a rematch.

That shit was crazy. That shit was crazy. What did I say? Let me know who wept. Who cast and was like Stefan Marbury? Who in the club without a weapon? Suit at your feet. Make you do the puff dance to perfection.

That was kind of hard. That was kind of hard. That was kinda hard That was kinda hard That was kinda But you was hungry though I ain't gonna lie I'll give it to you You was hungry I listened back

And I said It was no way You wasn't gonna go twice I had to go twice You had You went twice I didn't know when I was Gonna ever get that shot again

You wanna come up there Right You know In a market you want to Right And you can probably Curve through for it Like ah well you know

You was hot So you like I come up there And fuck around Got some shit to say Right, right. And you can probably curve through for it. Like, you know, you was hot, so you like, I come up there and fuck around, got some shit to say, but you don't gotta do it. At that point, I'm just,

I didn't even know I was going to rap that day. Oh, what? You said that before. I thought you were just... I never knew I was going to rap. I thought I was just going there to meet Clue.

I thought Kevin and Chell was just taking me... So they really put you on the spot. Like, that's some fucked up shit, actually. We're going to come back from the...

That's some movie shit right there. I'm like, oh, shit. taking so they really put you on the spot like that that's a shit actually i'm saying my shit in my head i heard you say that before i always thought you was like like playing like you you're dead serious so when you came oh okay okay okay so you was ready man that's the that's the side effect. The fact that... Because you murked it. But I'm sitting here because of that freestyle. Wow. Goddamn. Make some noise.

Yeah. And so when I see the growth from that, and I always... Like, you know, to tell you the truth, I tell you the funny shit, because you brought up 50 earlier. I actually seen 50 from the beginning.

Like, I always tell that to 50. I know he got so much, like, accolades and so much money now. And I still, it's still funny when I say, I'm proud of you. Because I'm,

so he's looking at me like, nigga, I might have exceeded you seven times, but still, it doesn't matter. I've seen the growth. I've seen you come up. Right. And I'm going to always salute that. You't matter I seem to grow I seem to come up

and I'm going to always salute that you know what I'm saying I'm going to always salute that because I see I see the hunger in you in the beginning I see that you

you was relentless you wasn't going you know what I mean you wasn't going to let up and for you to be where you at I definitely salute that my brother

because I mean I think I think that should be more you know just think about just think about it

like you had one shot You went to a radio station And at the time I was like platinum I was like whatever Scorching And And you came in

And y'all didn't know each other Right there No I think they was cool I never seen I never seen Nori hate So how did you feel about Clue bringing

I don't even have a relationship With Clue I still don't know why he gave me that platform, that opportunity. You know what I'm saying? That shot like that. I didn't even have a relationship with Clue. To tell you the truth, it felt like it was meant to be.

You know how certain things don't feel... So you didn't feel no kind of way? I actually did not. Word. You were just in the moment. He was like, yo, my man, I'm going to rhyme. I think they called him Sport. They didn't even call you Fab at the time. And I was like, no problem. And I did. And then when I seen that, they made him the forefront of Desert Storm.

He went from being an artist that they was thinking about to the forefront. And that shit, like me, I love to be a part of hip-hop history. You understand what I'm saying? I like to play a little part, like a tiny part of that shit and you know I play a tiny part of Pharrell's career like me like I love that shit not a tiny part okay you can say a part of it y'all can say heels

that's not a tiny part you play a part of it because you help the world recognize his talent you don't take away from his talent no no no you do not take away from his talent but you help the world recognize his talent you don't take away from his talent no no you do not take away from his talent but you help the world recognize his talent

like that moment for you in the station that was a moment what you did with Pharrell was a moment that changed things I always wanted to know how he felt about that

because I didn't I don't know if Clue even mentioned it to him that he was going to do it or like even when I started rapping I'm rapping back and forth

but if he's at this point, you know accomplished and they're doing his thing and even him going back to the hood It's low man's kid But that didn't happen and I'm gonna be honest Y'all relationship seem organic from the beginning. So even though he told me I Didn't say I just met he said my man it felt it felt it felt yeah he did claim but it felt it felt it felt good and I'm just like so let me I'm jumping around a little bit I remember one of your first singles was with Nate dog yeah and this was like right after like the East Coast West Coast shit was like drawing like and you was like you

you not only did the song, but you actually went to Cali and filmed the video. No, no, no. No, you did? I did the video. Oh, okay, because the lowriders made me... We ain't crazy now. Shit was just patching back together.

That was one of the illest parts about that record because I don't think... Before that time, it was a little gap in between. Yes, it was. And I didn't even know that I really was a little gap in between. Yes, it was. And I didn't even know that I really was doing that until it happened. And I was like,

damn, like, you know, niggas haven't been really fucking with each other like that since the big and pop shit. You know what I'm saying? So this was kind of like that kind of,

and I don't even know if Nate thought that deep into it too. The kid who produced it was from the Bay and then Nate jumped on it and then, you know, I made it from the Bay and then Nate jumped on it and then,

you know, I made it my first single and then people kind of connected the dots of that. Like, we didn't, I didn't see it.

I definitely wasn't looking at it like, yo, this is going to bring the East and the West. I wouldn't even lie. It actually did in a certain way

because it was like you coming out being the new hot kid and I think you was on Interscope at the time, right? No, no, no. I was on Elektra. Elektra okay Elektra and you were the number one

DJ which is Clu and then this is the guy who's a legend and so it did in a way but it was it was funny at first I remember industry people like yo. Was Clu hotter than Flex right then? Well in Clu's world no one was hotter than Clue. In the mixtape world, at one point- That was making records. Yeah, that was breaking out. No one was hotter than Clue. But what I got to give Flex is no one has ever really touched Flex on that radio.

Like throwing a party on the radio, like just, yo, New York City, stop. Like, you ever heard Flex say, pull over? I pull over. Like, I'm the idiot that does it. Like, he's like, New York City, pull over. I'm like, yo, pull over. Pull over, motherfucker. I'll pull over and he'll drop a bomb. Like, I'm into that shit.

You know when Drake and Meek had the shit and Flex said, I got the Meek record. You know, I missed my flight that night because I didn't want to hear it. I was so much of a fan of the hip-hop shit. I was like, I looked at my man. You didn't want to be on the flight. I didn't want to be on the flight.

Let me tell you my story with it. It's coming out. It's my uncle's birthday. So I go to my uncle's crib. My uncle do chill chill vibes barbecue at the crib but it's more like a now you gotta you you can't be on your phone and checking and you know what I'm saying so it's more like just kicking it with your uncle and really fucking with him have a drink smoke whatever so I'm doing that and then somebody texts me like yo they about to do

the Meek record I'm like wow I gotta hear this I'm trying to really engage I'm talking deep little kid shit yo ump hold on ump I'm trying to figure a way I want to go to the bathroom y'all where the bathroom at and you know you can put it up on your phone too yeah so I'm trying to really get it but I really had to just fuck with ump and then I didn't I didn really get it but i really had to just um and then i didn't i didn't get to i didn't get to check it out until i got in the car and now i wasn't but the whole time i'm sitting there he talking to me i ain't even listening to him i'm like damn i gotta hear this this this oh i'm talking about the night that flex bluff i'm talking about the night that

flex didn't happen he did he missed your fight i no reason I missed my flex Yo yeah You don't remember that night Where flex He did pull He did pull Yo listen This is why I don't know if I was supposed To say this funk flex But this is why

I fucking Fuck with Funkmaster flex Right So I I missed my flight That day right

So I get on the Next flight in the morning But I get Some record I get it mixed And I call flex And But I get some records I get it mixed And I call Flex And I'm like, Flex

Because I know the whole New York City Is going to be tuned in So play one of my joints While you're playing in between These war records Or whatever So Flex goes to me I'm sorry if I was supposed to say this, Flex

But Flex goes to me To annoy me how I look out there And I go Because I'm trying not to say that you look great. You know what I'm saying? Like, you had me miss my flight. Like, you should have said

I don't have to wreck it at some point. But anyway, I'm trying to avoid it and Flex is like, how I look out there. And I said, oh, what you mean? He's like, Nori, I know you know.

And I said, no, you look a little crazy. He said, I was like, maybe you was baking like a biscuit. Maybe you was baking like, he said, I know you know. And I said, no, you look a little crazy. He said, I was like, maybe you was baking like a biscuit. Maybe you was baking like, he said, I know I was because I didn't come outside

the whole day. And I opened the door for one person and it was the UPS man. And the UPS man said, look, this story was me. He said, rough night, ain't it?

Yo, yo, yo, that shit, yo, that shit had me, but you know what it is, Flex takes his losses with his wins the same way. And most people don't do that, most people lose and wanna just, you know, throw away. But, sorry for jumping all over the place, but Tekashi69, he got 200 grand for you, he wants to do a record for you right now. Fabulous is doing it? Let's take a shot to that, Let's take a shot to that. Let's take a shot to that.

Let's take a shot to that. Salute. Salute. I'm going to tell you who's going to work with Tekashi69. Who's going to fuck it up. Because it's going to be all of us just like Gucci.

I got the memo that we was boycotting Gucci The BET Awards did! Did you see that? I'm confused! I didn't see it, I didn't see the awards It was Gucci everywhere so Let's get back to my point so Kyle you know who's gonna do it what it is is all of us we must set a union we must say we

fuck all right you boycott not boycott we just say anything like that rappers we won't say we know let me tell you who's gonna fuck one the motherfucking producer now we talked about this last night I know this episode's coming out for things I'll be good the producers episode's coming out first. The producers is going to be the first. Not the producers you think are going to do it. Okay. What producer you think won't do it? I think any producer that has

any name won't do it. I disagree with you. I think Pharrell is not held to them standards. I don't think Pharrell would do it. I think Pharrell won't do it if he calls people like me. There's too much negativity for Pharrell to even want to get involved with it. That's very true. That's another thing, too.

You know you're going to be. Some people are going to love that, though. But Scott Storch is not out there. People who don't need that, they'll stay away from that. Pharrell don't need everybody talking. He don't need it. I don't think Scott Storch need it, but it's not like he don't need it neither. It's like, you know what I'm saying?

The kid is throwing out platinum records. Scott might need it. Scott, okay. Who else it just to get it going and i don't think he's i said he would do it but that energy is you got to look at who who needs that energy to get they shit because i don't think he's held to those standards i don't think mike will made it this hell to fabulous and nori agger and Jada Kiss's standards. He not, but it's still if they want that energy. The negative side of it

is what could keep somebody doing it, even if they don't have that same more. That's what I don't know 6ix9ine personally to have it, but I just don't like the standard that it set. You know what I mean? Like, you can't do that and then come back and it's, nah. If you do that,

you're going to suffer the consequences of what you do, but we can't. We can't set that for the, for our kids, you know what I'm saying? You can't set that for the public. Like, that's not cool. You know what I'm saying? It's just, you, and it's the way, and it's the way it came about, you know what I'm saying It's just You And it's the way

And it's the way It came about You know what I'm saying It wasn't like a Civilian If he was a civilian Doing the same thing It would be totally different

But he was yelling Gang gang Doing that And that shows Kids Of this generation That yeah You could do that

And then when it goes left No repercussions Alright I'm gonna go right And then I'm gonna come back left And y'all gonna Fuck with me But isn't it Kinda deeper than that

When you look at That Will Smith is doing Nikki Barnes story Like That's different I think Why? Nikki Barnes The end of it is the same result

I just think movies And that type of stuff What's the Frank Lucas story It wasn't the end The same result American Gangster American Gangster Didn't he tell at the end Yeah that's all what's the Frank Lucas story it wasn't the end the same as American American games did he didn't he tell it to him but I think it's a different realm he told him he told on the cops so he told on who Frank Lucas I think he told on everybody I think he told on everybody and the connect supposedly yeah and the connect I just think the

movie game is a whole different thing actors and movies just telling the story I guess really like I can't story, I guess, really. Like, I can't hold them, I guess deeply you could hold them because it's like you pushing the story forward, but on their side, I wouldn't hold Will

against Nikki Fonz. I would rather they do stories on Godfisher instead of Nikki Fonz. You know, those guys. The page four should have been more focused on Rich as opposed to, you know, but guess what? Apple was the star. You know what paid in four Should have been more Focused on rich As opposed to You know

But guess what Our pole is the star You know what I'm saying It's just a funny world We live in You know what I'm saying It's the It's the entertainment of it

And the thing about it Fab Is think about it like this We're only 5% of people Who think like this Like you know what I'm saying We're 5% of people Who think that we got to keep it real

and we got to do this. There's so many people who... That's why Omar's from the wire. There's way more Omars now than anything. There's people who tell and stay outside. And they come right the fuck

back outside. These dudes ain't going to witness protection or none of that. That goes into people accepting it. That's what lets them come back outside.

A rat before used to go hide in the hole. That's where rats went's what lets them come back outside. A rat before used to go hide in the hole. That's where rats went. They didn't come back outside and mix and mingle. Now you can be lit if you still got money. People accepting you.

He a rat, but he got that bread. He got that bag. That's the difference in what's going on today. Rat before had to go move somewhere. He had to,

you know, when they seen him, they threw shit at him, chased him, whatever. You know what I'm see him They threw shit at him Chased him Whatever You know what I'm saying Even if it was a tattletale Remember you grow up

Being a tattletale was wrong Yeah And it's all the social media shit Cause it's fame at all costs Yeah So we just interviewed Troy Ab Right And we got a couple of

Slack about that Do you think we wasn't Do you think we fucked up Do you think we shouldn't Interview Troy Ab I don't know And I know Troy Ab I don't know. And I know Troy Ave. I don't know the full...

Like, I lost connection and track of where that... We all do, because we live in our own world. I don't really know where his shit... So it's hard for me to say if it was right or wrong, because I don't know what he did to say it was wrong. Well, he didn't do it yet. But he did say he's going to do it. He said he's going to what, tell?

He said he's going to... I don't know if he said that... He said he's gonna what tell he's gonna he's gonna I don't know he said that he said he's gonna tell his side of the story his side of the story of course is gonna complicate his and he feels like at the end of the day listen a person said if we gave a person a platform for that we won't do that if I'm wrong as a man or you know I apologize whatever right but what I'm saying is he hasn't told yet oh come on drain you I Jesus Rasta Rasta well why but he hasn't told told yet and the thing about it is he in his mind thinks that tax stone so this was he this is from his mouth hey in his mind thinks that tax stone told on him so why the fuck he's not gonna say what say what

he's did to him back well I guess the tax must I don't know I don't know if he told or not to but there is video footage yeah yeah the incident so yeah that kind of tells on you a little yeah yeah. That tells on you. Yeah. But I don't know. Like I said, I don't know that much of the situation. I mean, I know Troy. I actually was, like, really cool with Troy for a minute. It just got so crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know what's going on.

Yeah, but Queens, nigga, I chose to move out of it. I didn't want to be involved with it. I'm a Brooklyn nigga. Yeah. And you don't want to be involved. All right.'m a Brooklyn nigga. Yeah. And you don't want to be involved, right? What's going on here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but, you know,

we see Slack for it. And if we were out of line for giving a person a platform, then, you know, I'm a man. At the end of the day, and I heard some people say that, well, they would have been mad if they would have implicated

the Hot 97 shit, like when we had the Hot 97 shit. And I understand it. I also agree with that because I would have felt something. But here's the difference. There was no paper trails other than Lil' Kim and Foxy Brown.

There is no Junior Mafia diss record towards Capone and Noriega. There is no Noriega record diss towards Junior Mafia. There's no social media. There's no nothing. There's no nothing. There was no vlogs made

about me against them And them against us So when this shit happened It was easy to just get it away Because there wasn't lines It wasn't in the public's eye It was just that incident That was in the public eye

The actual drama or whatever Was behind We both shut our mouth So you can't relate that to that Because it's two different instances But it is what it is Like I said If I did a platform walk, you know I apologize.

Was it drama before that incident? Absolutely not. Or that incident fueled the- Oh, you talking about Taxi and Troy? No. No, Junior Mafia. Junior Mafia, that situation. No, it was just-

Kim and Spock. It was just- Just a moment in happiness. No, it was Lil' Kim had Firestorm. Big up to Lil' Kim. She's, her new album, Nine. Album just dropped. Congrats, Kim. her new album Nine.

I just dropped, congrats Kim. Her new album Nine. Number one. And me and her is cool now too, which is great. Fendi clap? What are you clapping for? Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. We'll get to that later. But, so Kim Had was on Quiet Storm. Yeah, I wanted to do some. Mobb Deep's record.

Oh, do say right here, baby. We got the XO and we got the regular one right there for you. Come on, man. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Let's let it hold. No, man. We here, baby.

We are here. So anyway, anyway, anyway. So, um, Kim did Quiet Storm. Ironically, this is why I never knew why there was ever beef ever. Alchemist produced Bang Bang. That's Mobb Deep's producer. FYI, if anybody don't know. Alchemist recommended it.

Oh, those were the two records. It was Quiet Storm and Bang Bang. Foxy was on Bang Bang. Alchemist recommended we put a girl on there. Oh. You understand? This is hit This is Mobb Deep This is why I never knew That's why Mobb Deep

Never took it personal Forgot about that Mobb Deep never took it personal It was just Y'all recorded that here Remember when No not Foxy's part You showed it to me

No not Foxy's part At Hit Factory I remember you showed it to me Brand new Yeah Before it came out Yeah yeah yeah But we didn't record it

In the Hit Factory though So cause Foxy That's some New York shit So anyway, Alchemist recommends we get a girl. Obviously, there's only two girls in New York City at the time. Kim already on. People who

considered our competition. Marv D. Obviously. And Foxy, he's cool. That's my sister. I felt like that at the time. Still do a little bit. But I've tried to feel more, but she just kicks me the fuck away.

All right, yeah. I remember y'all had beef too. We'll get to that later. Yeah, she don't fuck with y'all. I seen that one day. All right, let's move on. But anyway, so then Fox does it, and then that was it.

I guess they took it personal Because we let Fox Say what she wanted And Well Kim would definitely Take it that personal So Yeah Whoever wreck it is

I guess you kind of Affiliate them Because y'all was there Y'all had it all See I didn't look at it like that That's how it goes So someone So you telling me

Somebody jump on a song And diss somebody In his song you're gonna do yeah yeah you you come back to spray the corner you ain't saying you're all y'all niggas so you say I spray the corner so you saying if I get on your record mm-hmm and I air out let's just somebody that I'm cool with, I would be like, yo, that's my man. Like, you can't do that on my, like, I ain't got nothing. But if I air out somebody you're not cool with, you're not cool with it, you let it come out. And I let it come out, then I would also accept that he feel a way that I put that out on the phone. You know what I'm saying? You would accept the other side.

It's on you. It's like your platform. I'm riding with it. Like, You know what I'm saying? You accept the other side. It's on you. It's like your platform. I'm riding with it. You know what I'm saying? You co-signing it. You going to do something. I jump in the car with you. We ride over there.

You do it. Then they run down over there and catch me and say, yo, you with it? I can't say no. You really being naive about this. Yo, you bucking me up right now, fam. Damn, fam. Who's with it?

Anybody that, anything, when they go along with it, you got the notion to say, nah, when Trey said, let me out, though, he got out the car. That's real. They was going to put in that work. A minute, a minute. Let me out, though. Let me out, though.

Yeah. He knew he was part of the good thing. The niggas was part of the good thing, too. Let me out, though. I did never look at it like that. I never did. Like you said, I'm naive to that. I didn't know.

I thought if we're all cool and this guy ears you out on my record or ears you out in my interview, you would realize that that is just him because I'm gonna he feel i'm gonna say something else like like for instance i interview enemies that i interview both sides sometimes you know uh we'll have a jar rule i'll have a 50 i'll have a herb and when they bring up each other i try to because that's not funny to me you know i'm saying like i i kind of try to change the subject you know i'm saying because it's not me you know i'm saying You know what I'm saying? But what you said just now kind of fucked me up. Kind of fucked me up because

I can see how people look at that when you interview somebody. It looks like a cosign now. It's really not. Like, yeah, you might not be in that space, but how people perceive things is always different than what you're intended. You know what I'm saying? So, that's how you could be doing something out of

the kindness of your heart. Somebody else could be, they say, that nigga clout chasing, he trying to do this or, you know, when people go give money to the homeless and they tape it. You know what I mean? It's two sides. You is giving them some money, but also why are you taping it? You know what I'm saying?

So... Fabs be like Jesus, man. God saying? Fabs speak like Jesus, man. God damn it. This nigga speak like Jesus, man. This nigga powerful. This nigga got metaphors and talking, my nigga. This nigga's good. He's spitting barf right now.

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Yeah. Tiger bone is. So I heard... It's organic? Yeah. Yeah, it's organic. So I heard... Don't trust me, man.

Don't trust me. You got a Joker t-shirt on. I can tell it's organic. So I heard... I'm looking at his shirt. It's organic. So I heard Yabbi Killin' Up... Relax, boy.

Yabbi Killin be killing Was originally for The girl from The View Lenny S. girl Adrian? Adrian I'm so sorry, Adrian I forgot that was her song I heard that that was

Her beat or her song And Lenny S. Like, played it for her She loved it But then he played it for you I've never even heard This story before I swear

I never heard the ABC I know a sneaky You know a sneaky You know who sneaky Called me about that record Who that Kid Cudi What

That's the same way I am That random That same face I'm like He like Yo Fab I did that joint

With Ryan Leslie. I ain't got my credit or my money. Cudi, bruh. All right. Oh, he took my line. Why you on my line with this? He was on production, he was saying. That's what he was trying to imply.

Oh, wow. So I guess he chakes down my number or something and hit me up and was like, yo, I'm supposed to have credit or money or something. Why me up and was like, yo, I'm supposed to have credit or money or something. Why wouldn't he hit Brian Leslie? That's what I'm saying. You got to relax, Kid Gunn. You blocked with everything.

Now you can't even. God, I unfollowed you with everything. It's crazy. Oh, my God. I don't even know why you calling me this is not even my call the song is a hit already and it's clear and it's clearly clear I'm about to go on stage right now you know what I'm saying

and also you make me better I'm about to go on stage right now. I'm going to do a backflip. You know what I'm saying? And also, You Make Me Better. That was Hov's record? Yeah, I think they made it for Hov, but I think it was too girly for Hov. Hov made some girly records now. Here's another sneaky thing behind that shit.

I'm getting it out today. Let's go. Eve had the record. Oh, damn. Yeah. Timberland made the joint,'s go. Eve had the record. Oh, damn. Yeah. Timbaland made the joint and she had a whole different record. She had spit already on it? I'm trying to figure

make me better for Eve. I'm not sure if that fit for her. It was a dip. It wasn't make me better. It was make me better. Get out of here. It wasn't with the hook and all. She had a whole other song.

She had the beat from Timbaland and she made a whole different song to it. So when we about to put it out, Timbaland like, hold up. I think I gave that beat to Eve. Eve got, we like, what? So we hit Eve up, but she was cool about it. She said truthfully, like it was a single for us. This is a go. But for her, she said it was like an album cut. She really, you know, and she just, you know, we went to dinner And she was like, yeah, y'all can have the record. And it was all good.

I was like, damn it. This makes it long. Check that. Check that. A new single right now. Imagine my catalog without Make Me Better in it. Nah, you need it. That was good.

Damn, that's like almost not good. Told you, man. That's like a special brew. Well, the new single right now, very Afro-Betish. International. International. What makes you want to go there?

Because you have a formula. It falls in line with that, but you have a formula where it's like, you know what I'm saying like a certain thing this one is like huge this is different this is different for me as a fab fan that's what it really was about too okay just really going different because if I would have came back with any record that's the usual what I do even if it was breathe or it was a make me better style or like

you know I mean like anything in that vein uptown vows anything in that would if you already it wouldn't have made the same like hmm all right let me you know I mean I want I want your eyebrows to twist up a little bit like it was good you know so that's weird and it like how you just said we moving all around the country is this it's time to move on you was a pretty yeah we went to we went to Africa I thought King birdie was in Boston I'm playing around yeah big up to all the Cape Verdean. It is. Boston and Rhode Island. Yeah, that's where you're from. Yeah, Providence. Providence. Providence.

You know, I'm playing around. Yeah. Binghamton's all the Cape Verdeans. But I've never seen somebody go to Cape Verde. I was like, oh. That's one of the reasons I wanted to go there. And you showed off the ankle bracelet too then. Definitely.

That was hard. That was hard. But what made you go there? That's Black Sands. That's where, you know, we got to touch different. And we got the opportunity to. Wow. We got the, you know, we got the label money.

So we going over here and touching Black Sands. Let you got the you know we got the label money so we're going over here to be on that major let's make some money for be on the major Listen, Fab is one of them smart niggas everyone else try to go independent See that's your personal shit This is my nigga, listen to this my nigga He made the right choice stay with the major do not let these niggas Oh you leaving? I'm not in between I don't He made the right choice stay with the major. No do not let these niggas This guy's only major in the game for the dome not like your fat

Play the same rules. I like when you pulling up in the spring. Oh, it's a fucking beautiful thing It's still pull away you know man. Yeah, you're gonna budget You gotta gotta be responsible. Yeah. Don't want to, who wants to be responsible? Spend that labor money, God damn it. They making some money. Some of them independent kids making some money. Some of them on YouTube and all that alone.

Do not bank on YouTube, brother. Do not bank on YouTube, brother. I don't bank on it. That is not. I can't bank on YouTube. That's them new niggas. Them new niggas can make money off of YouTube. We don't bank on it. I can't bank on YouTube. That's them new niggas. Them new niggas can make money

off of YouTube. We seasoned. You know what I noticed about you though, Fab? I'm probably like, I'm 42. I don't know how old you are.

I'm 41. You're 41. But you know what I noticed? People think I'm 900. They think I'm 900. Jesus. You know why? I've been out since 97. But I was 17. I don't know, but I was 17.

I've been out since 98. I've been out since 96. But, and they look at Fab like he's 19. And they look at me like, I got your beard. They be like, cause in your day OG,'ll be like they be like cuz in your day Oh G I play your first dog it's not for me oh gee you're because sometimes they call you on G definitely but they don't really mean it they just call you oh gotta read in between that all she said is not always respect, fam. But how do you, because one thing about you, you always seem to know whose next person is.

And that's a gift, you know what I'm saying? And that next person want to work with you. Or, you know, y'all hanging out in parties. How do you manage to be that guy that can balance both worlds because you get respect from the hoes the Nazis You know I'm saying the the the mob deeps the opponent Noriega's and then you get love from the new generation, too You have a ill balance How what do you do? How do you develop that? I don't even I can't even tell you a recipe for do I just think some somebody told me that I, like,

bridged a gap between the two. Like, I might have been, like... I guess when you say we're a senior, juniors in high school, and then you have, like, sophomore and freshman. You know, so if it's a senior and I'm a junior, I'm still in between. You know what I'm saying? I think Cole just did a song called Midichannel

And he said he He little bro And big bro all at once You know what I mean it's like You bridge the gap between You know what I'm saying between a younger A younger The younger guys and

The older guys too It's no way that I can say that I Planned it or the younger guys and the older guys too. It's no way that I could say that I planned it or there's a certain way to do it. It's an ill gift. Yeah, it's just something that just came with me. And I respect,

like you said, we were talking about all of you. I respect, you know, except for them calling you OG and trying to call you old. I respect all of the young shit. It's respect too, but it's 50-50. I tell them my congratulations. You know what I mean? It's nigg to call you old. I respect all of the young shit. It's respect too, but it's 50-50 sometimes.

I tell them my congratulations. You know what I mean? And even in our time, we would see sometimes they don't even say nothing to you. You know what I'm saying? I used to be in elevators where hoes and hoes don't speak. That's just hoes. That's just New York, though. That was a little New York. It was definitely more Brooklyn, more whole Brooklyn, but it was like a, you know, when I came in, they were still trying to be the guy. So they wasn't giving you the, you know, the light then.

I had to fight, not really fight against them, but like I had to prove myself. I'm not going to lie. People really in our generation didn't pass down the torch like that. They didn't. None. They really didn't. You're right. Unless it was a man's that they had a sign it was you're right everybody up you know you guys right under the Rockefeller tree and then the crazy day is the people before them like that was like a lot of the old school dudes you should never

give me love be like I'm like original I don't want to say my age like the hurt yo I'm always number one I know when I was no they was looking at me like I was a commercial dude and I was like you know be like like it doesn't matter if I have a commercial record like my heart is pure I'm hip-hop and they would and now they love me again you know I'm saying cuz I would drink camps represents and all this crazy shit but I'm being honest He's keeping it real was a lot of people thought that when you come up you are dead in their money Mm-hmm, you understand say like you say with the passing the torture is that I think niggas still was so young That it wasn't no, you know, it wasn't no Pat. I'm still trying to be the nigga

I'm still trying to be the man right I'm gonna give you the tour and now when you 40 Or 45 or 50 or whatever you is ready to like as you ain't even playing in that same feel anymore It's 26 and I'm 21 We still is kind of in the same field I'm trying to get to where you and you know that I'm trying to get to where you at You know I'm saying so you kind of like giving you to stiff on the Heisman a little bit because you won't but you don't even gotta pass torches anymore really I mean I'm just saying the way the game is now like everybody has their own lane like before there was like the labels the gatekeepers that's because it was but who you knew then right somebody stamp you then but I

feel like you brought them crews in I feel like passing the torch now is like fab doing a record with pop smoke right you know I'm saying Passing the Torch now is like Fab doing a record with Pop Smoke. Right. You know what I'm saying? No, no. And not the record that doing that shit with Drake or Kendrick. You know what I'm saying? When they get in there.

When Drake, Hov doing it with a newer artist. No, when he did it with Drake. Okay, okay, okay. I'm sorry. I thought you meant now. Okay, you meant back then. He did that first with Drake? That's a stamp for Drake.

Yeah, you're right. I got a whole verse. You know what I'm saying? You're right. Niggas want whole verses right now. You don was a that's a stamp for Drake that's it you right I got a whole verse yeah you know I'm saying you're right niggas want whole verses right now you don't you don't think this thing is 41 or over yeah a difference between passing the torch and passing down like the history of the culture like to a certain extent I said this before I know people hold up before you because when you were saying like in the 90s or whatever that these old I got past where it's so love saying like in the 90s or whatever that these older cats weren't showing love

but regardless everybody in the 90s was still talking and showing love to the older cats. So younger cats growing up in person.

No, in music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But behind the scenes it was not that way. Because when you were an early 90s kid growing up you were listening to artists. They talking about

all kinds of shit that we didn't grow up with. It wasn't our generation. Cool Hurt was always a motherfucking coolest dude. He never looked at, like, certainly these other older dudes,

they looked at me like I owed them something. Like, I don't know if I'm making myself clear, but they looked like, and not only I owed them something, they looked like I was supposed to go like this.

When I seen them. And in my mind, I'm doing that. But I'm giving you, yo, what's up, my dude? Yo, man, yo, I'm a big fan. Like, if I see... So you're saying that's why you wouldn't talk about it anymore on record?

Talk about what? That's what I'm trying to say. You bypass what I'm saying. Okay, my bad. People stop talking about the history of the culture in records. In the late 80s, early 90s, everybody's talking about the Herx, the Grandmaster Flashes, the clubs. Because after a while, they were talking about the history no more, about the future.

So we thought that shit was cool, even though that wasn't our generation. No, you're right. But picture how hard it is for me and Fab saying, if I was to go on to a record, I'm not big enough. These old niggas. It's not because they're old or whatever, because I'm trying to relate to the younger generation, too. Yeah. You talking about your generation. I'm trying to relate to the younger generation too. Yeah. You talking to your generation. I can't talk to you about Kool Herc.

Yeah. My generation don't even know who that is. Right, but you could talk about the generation a couple years before that you were, that you kind of grew up inspired. You could talk about Kane. Like a Kaze. Or a Kaze. Yeah, yeah.

Or something like that. By the time I came in, Kane wasn't. So you won't ever talk about him at all? No, I talk about him in my experience, but I don't talk about him in raps. And you don't expect the people to gravitate towards that. I came out in 98.

Kane's actual window was what? 88? 89? 90? 91? The only thing I'm saying is... If you would say it in a verse, the only thing I'm trying to say is if you would say it in a verse, the only thing I'm trying to say is if you would say it in a verse, it would make a young cat say,

Kane, if he... Who the fuck is Kane? I think him saying it in an interview. I think him saying it in an interview. No, it's the same. It is the same. Absolutely. I agree with that.

I agree with that. This is real hip-hop talk. They not going back. They going forward. That's the difference in what... Yeah, but forward needs back as well. We all standing on a foundation or something. No matter on back to VCR We going forward to where you're not even gonna need nothing to play now you're right in the air somewhere

Yes, well, I'm saying like the kids and they're growing up into that so they not gonna go back They don't want to go back. The only thing they want to see is the future. You got to show them something that's coming. That's why you can't even... You put out an album now, you can't promote an album for three, six months anymore. No, not at all.

They don't want to even wait that long. The attention span isn't there. What are you doing? Everybody's not Beyonce, though. Everybody's not Beyonce. Everybody can't say I'm dropping a night. Let's be clear let's be trying to do that you might be on say see remember Beyonce just said tonight woman is the game and nigga you are not no disrespect you just your base just gotta be solid enough to

do that yeah yeah yeah jump out there just say I'm dropping the night but I gotta go to work tomorrow right right they not checking it in there now tentatively you got an October 25th date or no because this is might come out in November the first week so cuz it's summertime shootouts is this where we get summertime shootout three three in the motherfucking fall I like to see this is what the this was the thing was behind that. Summertime Shootout was never about making summer music. It was about coming out of summer, and now you're either recapping your summer, or you're looking at the summer to come.

Like you say you work out. You say you're getting a summer body. You work out in the winter to get a summer body. And you're recapping the summer. You might be in September like, yo, that was an ill summer right there. You know what I'm saying? So that's what the projects were. They were really like recaps on the summer you just had or thinking forward to the summer about to come.

I never really did press about them because they were mixtapes. So people never got it. They just seen the word summertime and just thought it's like summer music you know what i mean but is there a difference between mixtape and albums now not now i think it's blended yeah it's all blended it's it's digested through the same way through um through digital platforms and you know what i mean there was a time where you know it was that piff and it was even the streets it was that was a different mixtape lane and how people got music it was almost like underground it was you know what

i mean it's not underground the production wouldn't be a difference though you don't think the production is different too because like once kendrick and drake started making mixtapes they they was they were bodies of work right right original production yeah you're right you know we was doing free we was doing freestyle over other people's tweets. We was remixing R&B joints. We was flipping people's, you know what I mean? You didn't have to clear anything,

whereas, you know, once Kendrick put Section 80 and, you know, the Drake's so far gone, those are different type of, you know,

they classify them in a mixtape lane, but it was just a different way they did it what's what what um uh what's fab is fab gonna put it on the artist is fab gonna i want to look to do that you i think that's only right if you you come through the door you hold the door open for somebody else especially if you see them coming i ain't saying you supposed to hold the door for somebody or block away. You ever held that? The nigga take a mad long

and you hold on to it. Come on, bro. You know what I'm saying? I had the door one time. A nigga stopped down and went and tied his shoe. Like, oh, wow. You disrespectful.

Like, disrespectful. I wanted to slam the door. I saw that whole scene. Yeah, I realized the shit I said. I was like, what's the name of the thing? Yeah, you doing one of these. I was like, damn. He's like, oh, that's what you doing.

All right. I ain't even that nigga, but God damn. But you know what I mean? You hold the door open for somebody, that's like one of the accomplishments because it's not even just for you. You're doing something for somebody else. You know what I'm saying?

So you get the feeling for that. You know what I mean? And everybody, I think, and not only just you doing for somebody else, sometimes if it's signed to you, it can prolong your career. It can take you to a new place because it's...

Like, I'm so sorry. I think it did that for Wayne. I think, I think Gucci Mane is one of the goats when it comes to that.

Gucci Mane let a lot of them niggas go all over them. But we don't know, we don't know what that business consists of. I'm not saying that he didn't do his business right. I just know that

you don't look at all of those people, like it's a tree down there in Atlanta and he's the root of the tree I'm not saying that he didn't do his business right. I just know that you don't look at all of those people. Like, it's a tree down there in Atlanta. And he's the root of the tree. And a lot of niggas came from that. I'm not going to lie to you. I thought about it the other day. And I think Gucci, man, might be one of the greatest of all times from Atlanta.

As far as business, as far as hustling. And I just looked at it. I was just like. Rebranding himself. Yeah, rebranding himself yeah one part is one time his brand was an ice cream cone on his face now he back with a whole different he made us forget about that You might have took it away. It might be still there. You just ain't seen it. You looking at anything else. He made us forget about that.

And I see Kuchan a lot. You know, you got a crazy chain on. You ain't even seen it. Chicks don't see ice cream on your face when you got a crazy chain on. That's why I'm like, all of that is rebranding itself. You know what I mean?

Why do you still love the game? Because I can tell you still love the game. I'm not going to ask you, do you still love the game? You say, why? Or am I wrong? No no I do love it okay I love both but why so because it comes to a certain extent will our life becomes repetitive meaning we'll get another hit record look at another tour or get another sense such and like you have to do something to upgrade like i've been in this game 20 years

you know i'm saying so i've done the same thing over and over for 20 years and at some point i stopped having love for it like i did like i don't i can't say that to you i'm asking you yeah why do you why do you still have the amount of love that you have for the game I Think my passion is So connected to it as a creative. I got a lot of the whole process of creating Me me saying something Play it back for you and the kids behind you like I got like I Get I get energy off of that. That make me feel good.

Just the creative part of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, and then all the other shit, the business, you know, those are the things that can help you fall out of love with it. Because that's not what you ever loved from the beginning. So once that becomes more than, you know what I'm saying? You got to chase the bag. Are you and Clue still Like together

Yeah We still good We still good We still I'm surprised Y'all ain't have like A Dame Dash Or Biggs Moments

I'm surprised too I'm surprised too Oh y'all did have it Like No Just Clue's a hard friend You know I got hard friends

I got hard friends Yeah He a hard friend Not even Because he's not a bad dude It's just like He just Clue

He in his world You know what I'm saying Like he don't have One thing about Clue I would say He don't have no loss In the end It's hard

It's real shit Unless maybe like He was gonna leak your song Or something like that Oh yeah I knew him then I knew him then He was on that time

But other than that He not like you ever you can leave a hundred thousand in front of him and go walk in the bathroom he's been rich he's been rich for a long time you never had beef because you were down with clue and hot 97 tried to front on you yeah a little bit what i'm never and my flex relationship had one? Yeah, a little bit. What? I thought you were going to say no. And my flex relationship at one time had got a little weird too. And K-Slave. K-Slave,

I feel it's smoothed out, of course, you know, over time. Right. But especially when Clues,

they never got to, like they felt, but they knew that that's my man. You know what I'm saying? So I guess they like, you know, you can't play it too close because that's my man, you know what I'm saying? So I guess they like, you know, you can't play it too close because that's my man, you

know what I mean? I wasn't, and their beefs wasn't never like, to me it wasn't like a street beef or anything, it was just a competition beef to me. Competition. You know, y'all in the same thing, y'all aiming for the same position, and y'all having, you know, competition. It wasn't friendly, it was, you know, niggas talking shit about each other, and, you know, competition. It wasn't friendly. It was, you know, niggas talking shit about each other. And, you know,

but I had never, I never seen those two people where they would have seen each other. No, no, no, no, no. But I see the stations competing so much. Like, when I see Envy hang out with Camilo now, I'll be like, God bless. Like, because they was acting like

Bloods and Crips at one point. Like, yo, you can't. I knew Envy and Flex. I never knew Camilo and Flex at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Camilo, I see Camilo. Envy, Envy, excuse me.

They have beef? No, it's not that they have beef. It's just that It's the stations. The stations, they were permitted from taking pictures. They couldn't do the same parties.

And the thing is, that fucked me up. Like, you know, I'm a Latino. Like, I used being Latino. So, and I used being black, too. You know what I'm saying? You got to start being more Dominican. I'm going to throw that out there.

I'm going to throw that out there. I just stick to what I know. No, no, listen. I'm going to be honest, man. Yo, Mr. Lee, help him out. I'm taking Spanish classes. Listen, I'm also a Puerto Rican who can't speak shit. Yeah, see, that's what I'm taking Spanish classes. Listen, I'm also a Puerto Rican who can't speak shit.

And I did a Spanish album, so I'm out of line. I'm out of line. I'm out of line. But, but, it's never too late. I'm 42 years old. Who's been in our Spanish classes so far?

Come on, make some noise if you've been in our Spanish classes. You gotta take Boris, man. You gotta have Boris on your Spanish. I don't know what you're speaking. I don't know what you're speaking when you speak English. Nigga, I'm not gonna have you teach me Spanish. But, so it's never too late.

But, Fab, I'm telling you. You've gotta start saying you're Dominican. Because I see interviews with you, and you say my father's Dominican. And it hurts Dominicans if we don't like that. I'm not a Dominican. I'm not a Dominican. I'm not a Dominican.

You got to say, I'm Dominican. This is what you got to say. That's it. That's all you got to say. Change your life. That was some 6ix9ine shit right there. What? What?

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What do you mean?

Yeah, I don't know. Like, we can't let keep that shit going, because it just gets out here. Like, it's spreading. Like, you know what you mean? You know what I'm saying? Like, we can't keep that shit going because it just gets out here. Like, it spreads. Like, you know what I mean? I just brought him up a little while and then you just came back and just brought some, like, wow.

No, I'm just saying. I didn't just do that. Where did you get that information from? No, I saw an interview and someone asked me and he said, yes, my father's Dominican. And the thing is, you got to say no.

I'm Dominican. And I'm just telling you gotta say no. I'm Dominican. And I'm just telling you, you don't have so many platanos following you. So I'm gonna tell you something. The Dominicans are the most loyalist, and they know how to fix everything in your house. All of my Dominicans, I went to fall? I went to fall?

Just let me know. I'm gonna go. You're gonna get us like, you know, you're gonna have somebody with some songs outside or something. You remember my friend who tried to fix my pool? The nigga, oh, what's the nigga name? Phil. Phil!

Yo, listen. What you think? Get us Me Too, though. No, no, no, no. Don't get Dominican Me Too. Listen, don't get Dominican Me Too, though. Listen, listen, listen, listen. If you get mixed black and Puerto Rican,

it makes it Dominican anyway. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. But I have my friend Phil, right? That's true, that's true. I have, listen, it makes it Dominican anyway. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. But I have my friend Phil, right? That's true, that's true. Listen, I have my friend Phil. He's a Dominican guy. Dominicans like pause.

They like to take care of their friends. So I'm like, I'm calling my shit. Do you know the shit that's on the bottom of your pool? So I'm calling. I need to get my shit correct. He said, Papa, where's this going? Relax. I'm going to fix it.

Oh, shit. First off, you need a screwdriver and all that type of shit. This nigga went down there with no tools. No tools. Long fingernails.

And this is like, I'm looking at him, I'm like, what? This nigga going down. I start going like this. Yeah, but what I'm looking at him, I'm like, what? I'm like, this nigga going to die. I started going like that. Yeah, but what I'm trying to tell you, he died trying to fix my pool. He died?

He almost died. Sorry, sorry. That came out wrong. He almost, he almost, I'm so sorry. Everyone looked at me like, for real? We don't know this story, you know. Please edit this whole section. He almost died.

But big up to him. So Fab, I'm just being honest. You got to embrace your Dominican side. It's a great thing. I promise you. You wore the Dominican sneakers. You was on the Dominican Twitter for that. I look like 03.

You're bringing up old shit. That's what I'm talking about. No, because I seen the Dominican newsletter. They was like, Fab is on! And they was so happy. And then you haven't really repped from there. So I'm just trying to tell you. I was in Dominican Republic

when everyone was dying. You know that? When everyone was dying? I was out there. They had a fabulous meeting. They need you back. They need you back. Let's make some noise as bad as we can make it. I'll fuck with you bad, but for real. For real.

Get that money. Get that money. Listen. And you on Spiff TV album. You on Spiff TV album. Where is that album? Where is that album? Where is that album?

Right? Yeah. Spiff TV told me. He said, he said, you got my Google Eats, right? Yeah, yeah. Cool, cool. Yeah, Spiff TVB told me that because he put you on a Dominican record he's not on a Dominican record because you know he's Dominican too. Yeah. So I think you're on a record with Osuna. Osuna. You said that? I didn't know if I said that. But no, wait a minute. That's not the one that's on the record.

Yeah. It is? Let's call Smith TV live. Wait, wait. Let's call Smith TV live. Let's see how this works out. Nobody, pause. The dude, he's the biggest.

Pause. What? He's like, he's the hugest in the- You need to stop, man. Stop on your head, though. Let's see what Spiff TV says. Let's see. Okay, which one is it?

What's a rumor? That, that, what, that Osuna is all like, he goes to the other side? I've seen the video, brother. It's way more than a rumor, brother. I think- What other side? I give it to you. I give it to you.

Hey, come on, let's see what you got talking about. I think you edited it. I give it to you. I give it to you. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, let's see a spare TV pick up. You said you got edited? I think they tried to extort him, yeah bro. How you get edited into doing that? What moves you made that they can make you like edit you into that? I mean, I think you don't ever see them together with the men.

Shh, shh, shh. Oh, wow. Terrible. Alright, cool. You have a real hot. Terrible. I didn't even know what y'all was talking about. Terrible. All right, cool. He's into me. What'd you say, Twinn?

I said you don't ever see me. Because I actually didn't see it. I had somebody watch it for me. Oh, come on now. Shut the fuck up, man. No, I didn't see it. You clearly said you watched that shit. No, because I had somebody watch it for me.

This shit is getting wild. Man views on your behalf, dog. Let's go to a commercial break. Let's go to a commercial break, man. I know you got to shout out somebody, man. I know you got to shout out somebody, man. I know you got to shout out somebody, man. I know you got to shout out somebody, man. I know you got to shout out somebody, man. I know you got to shout out somebody, man. getting wild. Mad views on your behalf, dog. Let's go to a commercial break. Let's go to a commercial break.

I know you got to shout out somebody, man. A lot of stuff on this table. Let's go to a commercial break. No, but back to the point. You know, embrace the Spanish side. Embrace the Dominican side. That's the point. Yeah, because Latin people are so loyal.

I'll be honest with you. Osuna, Puerto Rico, we know that. We know that. Hold on, hold on. Let me ask him who's on the Fab this song. He text me back. He's what? Half Dominican, Puerto Rican?

Who's on the Fab? His what? I can't understand what the fuck you eating in your drink. Yo, Fab, me as a 100% Dominican from my mother and my father's side, we gotta say it. And you gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect.

We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. We gotta give us the most respect. You know, Fab, me as a 100% Dominican from my mother and my father's side, we got to say it. And you got to give us Dominicans a chance to say how we feel about it.

We feel like you rep enough. You're the number one Dominican rapper in the world. Rep enough. That's hard. That's hard. Let's make some noise for the number one Dominican rapper in the world. That's hard. That's hard.

That is hard. Latinos will know. No, no, no. They'll find out that you're Latino and that's it. It's a rap that is hard. That is hard. Latinos will know. No, no, no, they'll find out that you're Latino and they'll say it's a wrap. Yo, I had an aunt, she used to come over, come over, it's Felix's birthday. And I just, you know, I just go over there, like yo, Titi, who the fuck is Felix?

She's like, the cat! And we'd be part, we'd just find anything to celebrate, brother! Anything to celebrate! You're busting out Felix the cat? Felix the cat, goddamn! So we just want you to know, welcome to the Latino Society! And the good thing about it, I'm like you!

You can be black too! You just got two days in a week. Yo, black... there's black Latinos. We got to keep correcting you with this shit. I know, but you know what I'm saying. I'm saying old Salva Sanchez is politically incorrect.

I'm just trying to not get me too to do this shit right now. We already got we too. No, no, no. There's one more thing. I got a boycott. I got a boycott. Dominican Day Parade.

There's one more thing. I got a boycott. Dominican Day Parade. One more thing, I got a boycott. Bab, I know you. It was 1998. That is 21 years. Bab, you've been the same weight this whole time. I am a figure. Why you don't gain weight?

And why are you posting pictures of mac and cheese? It fucks up fat niggas like me. Fat niggas like me be like, what the fuck? Why is fat keep posting? Capraninis and all these. You posting the... You got to stop posting food pictures.

I think I got to stop. Because we have for all the fat people in the world, like people who... Like, it's terrible when we see skinny people that never gain weight, post the carbs. And you see, you are a carb-itarian. You are a carb-itarian. You'll be getting it in.

You'll be getting it in. Let's make some really fat people in here. Like that. No, no, no, I'm fucking with you, I'm fucking with you. But you into the food right now. Nah, I'm fucking with, I'm just greedy, but I like trying different things. I like seafood.

So anything in that seafood family, I fuck with. But I like trying different shit. I like new restaurants. I like dope restaurants. Ran into you. I remember we ran into you in Malibu at Nobu out there. God damn it. That's a vibe, though.

You know what I mean? Malibu. I mean, Nobu is Nobu. But the Malibu at Nobu out there. God damn it. That's a vibe though. You know what I mean? Malibu. I mean, Nobu is Nobu, but the Malibu joint is a vibe. You don't got that Malibu soil house membership?

No. Nah. They let me in, but I don't got the membership. Oh, you got it. Maybe I shouldn't have said that. I never been. The American West

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I was on the song. Why did he send me this picture? This is weird. I'm just going to be honest. No one feels this. I actually sent you feels this exactly I actually was on the show and he sends me a guy

I think this is why I spend TV I don't always answer your calls hey man hey when cops ask me about it

I wanna be able to say I don't know I didn't see it no face no case yeah don't even tell me about it I don't wanna know

so what was your favorite label you've been on? Or even your favorite CEO I want to say I got to say You know what? I'll say Elektra Because that was just the beginning of my label career

I didn't even know what being on a label was And that was Sylvia Rhone Sylvia Rhone made me feel very much at home. I do love Def Jam. Def Jam's staff has changed a lot, but the team and the people I've met, the relationships I've been involved with, my Def Jam years has really been cool. Most of them don't even work there anymore, but we still have relationships. That was my second question. has really been cool. And like some, you know, most of them don't even work there anymore, but we still have relationships.

That was my, you know what I'm saying? That's, that's where you know, where your record label stint was deeper than just working. You know what I'm saying? Like I still see Ashana's and Margo's

and Peck Oz. Oh, Margo's still up there? No, she's not there. She still has relationships. I still have the relationships there with those people.

You know what I'm saying? Peck Oz is at Rock Nation. Sports. Yeah, man. I come from that era too. Electra was Sylvia and Ron. Sylvia and Ron made me feel like

I was her baby. Right. So that was the first time. That's where I first met Jay Brown as well who was with Roc Nation and stuff.

He was with Electra? He was with Electra. Wow, I didn't know that. Damn, you put me on. Electra's not around anymore, right? Nah, I think it kind of merged into like a Warner-Atlantic. Yeah, that's Atlantic now.

Because it was Warner-Electric-Atlantic, but then it just merged into one thing, I think, Atlantic or something like that. And who's your favorite CEO? Who is your favorite CEO? I would still say, I would still say Sylvia just because that first

that first connection and energy she saw she saw potential in me you know earlier you mentioned I was signed to Interscope I was signed for them shortly and that's when Clue was there he signed to Interscope. I was signed for them shortly.

And that's when Clue was there. He was at Interscope. And Steve Stout signed me through Clue's imprint. The Desert Storm records, right? Yeah, it was Desert Storm slash Interscope. And I had a crazy thing about... That was my first record deal. And I had a crazy thing where they fired Clue. And it's going to fire now.

And you stayed there. And it was a decision whether I was going to stay or leave with Clue. Right. And. You did leave with Clue. I did leave with Clue. I remember. Because I just didn't know who I'm going to be up here, who I'm staying with.

You know what I'm saying? And that was a hard thing for somebody at that time. That was a record deal. You as a rapper in that time, that was your goal. That was one of your set goals, get a record deal. So to get a record deal and then be asked, do you want the record deal or not? And you say, all right, I I gotta go out with my man. And the clue asked for you to roll?

Not really. It was just like positioning me like, if you want to stay, you can stay signed and finish making your album or we'll terminate you with clue and then y'all gotta find, we gotta find a new situation. And that's how you wound up on Depp? Oh, Elektra.

After Interscope. We went back to just grinding mixtape-wise, and then that led to Little Mo and Superwoman. At the time, it was a guy named Jimmy Cozier who had a joint with me there. 702 had a joint with my girls there and stuff like that. So that grinding, I don't even know if it was like eight months to a year of grinding after that label thing, because I had started an album on Interscope. I had started recording.

I had started keeping it gangster. Some of them records had came from the Interscope. I even did a song with Lil Wayne that had never came out. That's a funny story, Lil Wayne. They was so hot. They came to the studio. I think Steve Stout gave them a hundred grand for Lil Wayne.

Out of your budget? Yeah. God damn it. They scorching. Scottish money in like 99. Right, right. For the 99 and the 2000. Right, right, right.

Gave them a hundred. Right. They came to the studio so I'm thinking they also requested, this was a, they requested like, I think four bottles

of Chris style. Mmm. At the time, Chris style like 300, 250. I don't know what it was but it was Chris. Mmm.

You know, that was the line. That was ace of that time. Right, exactly. So, the four bottles was there. We in the studio, we thinking that, you know, four bottles So, the four bottles was there. We in the studio.

We thinking that, you know, four bottles of Prismine, they gonna come in, we gonna vibe, drink some champagne. Wayne came in there, did his verse

in 15 minutes, they out, took the four bottles with him. That was real. That's all. That was real. That was real.

That was real. That's That was weird That was weird That's like even That first time That you even seen Something like that I'm like This shit is different In your mind

You thinking Y'all gonna pop For the gamma 12 of us came in here Wayne recited it Over the beat And it's like Two, three times

Then went in the booth Came out Good Bottles gone Y'all not gonna pop one They didn't order food Like two, three times. Then went in the booth. Came out. Good. Bottles gone. All right. Y'all not going to pop one? Oh, they didn't order food?

They ordered food on me, too. No. No food. No food. Wasn't there that long. I'm not going to lie. Melvin Flint? Yo, let me tell you something. I never knew you could order ham.

I never knew ham came on a pizza. Them niggas ordered ham, pepperoni, sausage. Oh, yo, them niggas ordered so much. When that shit came, I was like, they was like, you want a slice? I said, damn, this is New York City. None of us eat none of this. You know what I mean? But, geez Louise, Papa Cheese, let's bring Fendi in.

Let's take a bathroom break and let's bring Fendi in. Back like we never left with nothing but respect. Let's drink Fendi in. Let's take a bathroom break and let's bring Fendi in. Back like we never left with nothing but respect. It's Drink Chance, motherfucker. Make some noise! So Fab, let me ask you. Was there ever a dispute? Because we heard you

repping the Coco Loso. When we seen the Coco Loso, it was always you related it to Fab. Was there any discrepancies of of like were you on par for anything or like you know I'm saying because we see that French had actually what is that called what does French have French vanilla you know I'm saying is there anything or is it something in the works are you and him getting together or no we had? We had a deal that we was doing while the Poco Loso thing was running, but it was for a certain term.

It was for a certain term. You all drunk here fast. Don't worry about it. I know that was Puffer. Okay. Well, it's your mistake. Yeah, I see there's a rock here. Puffer came out the door like a little so here.

Puffer was in the crack of the door. But now we had a term and the term ended and, you know, it just kept me pushing. Because I want to straighten the rumor, man. This is the rumor I want to straighten. We was on drink chat before. Me, you, Jadakiss. And I seen y'all had a press run.

My partner wasn't there. So I said, what can I do to make our interview different from everyone else's? So it was me who invited Puff. I called Puff. I said, yo, please. This is going to make the difference from everyone else,

from Jadakiss and Fab. They're on a press run. We can't have our shit look the same as everyone else's. So I invite Puff. This is what I felt happened in this situation

you correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like pop came in I feel like y'all didn't see each other for a minute and I feel like he came in and thought oh he thinks that you were doing parties with a vodka company. And when he says to you, we don't party no more, he's saying like, he's saying like, oh you think he throwing a sub or something like that? No, no, no, because that's what people thought. People thought that, what I thought, I heard that people was taking it funny

because he said, no, I want to party party. Party party, yes. And that, and that, and that, and people were like, whoa. That shit was, that shit was crazy. And I blame you because you didn't tell him that he got to relax right there. You didn't tell him that.

You had the party party slide and I was rolling up. Yo, you didn't relax responsibly. Yeah, you didn't. You didn't stop the madness. He didn't relax responsibly. Yeah, you didn't stop the madness. You got to say, hold on, hold on. What's a party party?

Yeah, I didn't know it though. I was actually, you know what it was? I was actually paying, like I was like, hold on, hold on. What's a party party? Yeah, I didn't know it, though. I was actually, you know what it was? I was actually paying, like, I was lit. Tiss was falling asleep. Right. You know what I mean? That was in L.A., too, right? That was in L.A.?

Yeah, L.A. This is like the most viral moment. You was there, right, Finley? Yeah, I was there. That shit was crazy, bro. This is how I took it. So, I couldn't go on the internet and be like, yo, that wasn't no flagrant shit. Like, I couldn't do that because then I got to answer every single body right you know so sad

I think the revolt play was a major factor. What do you mean? That one But I just want to straighten that out like Like, for people who think that that was- You wasn't there. No, I was on vacation. Yeah, yeah, he was on vacation. That's what I'm saying. I was on vacation.

I just, I said, what the fuck? I'm in LA, Jalen and Fab, this fucking here. Let me pull this trigger. I'm not going to lie. When that shit went viral the wrong way, I was like, I'm kind of glad I wasn't there. Yeah. Yeah. What?

Yeah. I was like, shit, the fuck. So, Corey, were you on vacation when he said, party, party? No, I was there. No, I was- Listen, I'm going to be honest. I was your friend So Corey was you on vacation When he said party party? No I was there No I was Listen I'm going to be honest I'm going to be honest

The points where I had to pull myself Out of the equation So the points where When he said The party party thing I looked And

And Fab looked at him And said Nigga you came to my party And then when he said Nah I'm party party What I'm thinking in my mind is that's the coca-loso, like, yo,

come, let's do a different campaign. That's what I'm thinking. Right? To me. But the world took that as a different thing. You were there. What did you do? It didn't feel like party, party was fragrant. It didn't feel like that, yeah fragrant But It didn't feel like that

Yeah That's why I say Your intent versus Your perception Right We go back to that again He might have not even Meant it that way

Yeah I don't think He's sitting there Watching Jing Champs And you see Puff With his shades on Saying Nah but we on Party Party

And when you edited it Like that And you ended this Yeah I was like What do you mean, bro? And now we show your face, too. I didn't watch it.

You know what I mean? Watching it is different from being there. Being there, I didn't catch the intent. I didn't catch the intent. Watching it, I'd have been like, you got to relax. That's why I said, that's why I blamed you, because you watched it. You was there watching it. No.

No, but I was there. Yeah, you was there. No, no, no. When I'm in something, I'm not in it. I'm watching it no no I'm not in something I'm not in it so like afterwards afterwards when they watch that it's that how big it is got us And they edited it so good. I'm like, I wasn't here. You get an era where it's like, nah. When we on Party Party. Yeah. Yo, it was so good. I could watch that episode as a regular person.

You can slow it down. He's right. He's right. Yo, you can slow it down. Nah. He's right. Yeah, and I'm not going to lie. When I saw that piece, the way they edited it, I was

like, y'all got to relax. Nah, it didn't look crazy. There was one dude who edited it, and I was like, yo, I wanted to big him up. I really did. He made a cartoon? Yeah, he made a cartoon. God damn. There was a couple of them.

Shout out to my nigga Puff, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, listen, man. Yeah, motherfucking Icon. Puff. Icon. There was a couple of There was a lot Yeah yeah yeah Because listen man Yeah Motherfucking icon Pop Icon I always

I've never seen This This gay thing That people be saying about pop I see it in fucking bitches You know what I'm saying I see it in fucking bitches You say it the wrong way

And it go viral So you know you're icon So shout out to icon Yeah definitely Definitely So Finley let's take it to you Let's take it to you. Let's take it to you because Fab just told us

he threw you under the bus and in your face. He said that you brung on the Franchise Boys. Yeah, I did. I was thrown under the bus? You took that as a throw under the bus? Nah, I wasn't.

Nah, you know, I'm just playing with you. That was just a fact of life. So, and then when I said the Lil' Kim album, Fab distinctly looked at you. And I just need to ask. No, because we was clapping and I didn't.

And you did Nicki Minaj's podcast recently. Yeah, I did. I like that. What happened? Let's break down because you are affiliated as two of the biggest artists in hip-hop. Lil' Kim. Female artists.

Excuse me. Thank you. Go ahead. We don't know what happened as far as what? Like you and Nicky Squash, isn't it?

Yeah, we sat down and talked business. That was dope. I went to LA. I got a podcast actually coming out myself called That's Offending. Which means facts.

Oh, look at that. Look at that promotion game. uh-huh well that's a 50 which means facts people we told you got a lot. We signed it up. We signed it up. I got it. So we sat down. It was like a business move in a sense, but I had, we always were talking periodically since like last year, but we never got together. So she was like,

oh, you need to come to my radio show. And I'm like, oh. We got to sit down a few weeks then at first business-wise before we could sit down. And briefly, we was just going back and down in a few weeks then at first business wise before we can sit down and you know briefly we was just going back and forth

for a couple of months and time prevailed and we could get together and I went to LA we sat down and you know I did her podcast Queen Radio

yeah Queen Radio Apple Radio yeah and she did mine she did mine as well I just never released it yet but she did mine Norrie what's interesting about that is though, he's got a relationship with Lil' Kim too.

But you know who their relationship is. But he's still, he's got a deep connection to Nicki as well. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. Whose side? You can't take a sign that's not a side I love Kim the Devs never saw a second home You know why? It's all about these lights, these questions that bring me back to it. That's a Richard Mill, right? That's a Richard Mill. That's how I play. I know you've been getting

money for a long time. I know you very well. Remember y'all broke a nigga's toes out of steel jackets. Y'all remember that? Yeah, a couple of my friends. Oh, yeah.

In Virginia. You remember? We also talked about sneak on planes. Yo, that was the hardest shit ever. Sneak on planes? No.

Nori told me that story. That was the hardest shit ever. Yo, what is this? Let's just say we can't go to that. Nori told me that story. That was the hardest. Yeah, what is this? Let's just take it. We can't go to that. Yeah, let's stay focused. You can get locked up right now.

So how is that being cool with both while they're supposed to be both at odds? How do you balance that? I would never. I mean, me and Nikki sit down because we got a history That goes back You know The beginning of our career

And She couldn't disrespect Kim to me So at the end of the day It was a regular Sit down about me and her It wasn't about Lil' Kim And I wouldn't let it

I wouldn't let it be about Lil' Kim So me and her Was sitting down You know I was sitting Acting to get my business together And try to move on And you know

Show my growth So it wasn't about I didn't take it As no matter because I didn't go there with nothing against little can not say a little kid might have not felt away about that because little Kim is real a very loyal person so she's just here CEO you know like y'all was talking about earlier about that you standing over in the corner or somebody got beef with not coming to spray if you in that corner you might get shot to her if I said that with the car with somebody I got beef with and I come in the spray, if you were in that corner, you might get shot too, right? Your fab said that

with the car analogy. Yes, he did. My analogies still come from the streets. I'm with another one. Let's go. Give me one, too. Let me get three.

Yeah, give him one. Hold on. Just give him some in this cup. Sorry, my analogies come from shootouts and violent places. No problem, man. No problem.

So you balanced it. Yeah, I felt like I balanced it But I could have did it A little better Than the way I did it And nobody knew I was doing it I didn't

Yeah he didn't promote it I didn't I didn't like I didn't even know I didn't tell nobody But I didn't know before It wasn't like I could have asked

A couple friends How they felt about it But I'm on my heart Like let me just go ahead You know And sit down And see what Shrey's talking about

And see if we can further move on from where I was at because I'm I'm stuck in the stage stuck at 12 years back like I ain't talking shorty in 12 years we had more than 12 years let's see if we can get past this right and we did that's dope man big up to Nicky, big up to our man. Big up to you, Fendi. Shut down. Salute, salute. I ain't gonna lie, Fendi. Who is the squash in a 12 year beach?

Hey, hey, hey, hold on, hold on, you gotta connect. Squash the beef is important. Who's your man that owns? You gonna squash the beef, Nori? Ah. Fab, I'm squashing the beef every day, fam. Thank you for making this new face that nobody else wants to make. I had to wait till your answer before I took that. You know why I'm squashing beef every day, fam. Thank you for making this new face that nobody else wants to make.

I had to wait for your answer before I turned up. You know what? This shit is crazy. I'm going to be clear. You know what, fam? Take some ice out of me, because this shit is crazy. That shit cleared my esophagus. Thank you for asking me that, fam.

What did he ask you? He said, I'm going to end this squashing beef. Let me tell you something. I don't want no beef with nobody. I've been through it all. Now I'm going to tell you what I've been through. Because if you don't know, then you don't know. I kind of was still talking about like in the past.

Yeah, I've squashed the beef in the past too. I've squashed the beef in the past too. Industry, industry. Industry, industry. Have you ever squashed a beef on a public platform? What do you mean? Like on a broadcast Or a TV show Or a radio station

Like your own beef No, that's not beef If I had to squash it in there Sometimes it comes to that Yeah, I've never really I've never really had like real public beef I mean had public incidents that happened Public beef where backs and forth I mean, no've never really had real public beef. I mean, had public incidents that happened. Public beef where backs and forth.

I mean, no, not really. I've had one or two, you know what I mean? But not really. Would you do it? Nah, I've got caught before, but I can't no more. Right now in my life, I'm very happy. I'm married. I love going home to my kids.

I love going home to my family Family I love going home To my family It would be irresponsible For me Because it's not me That's going to have the war I'm not going to be In the hood I'm not going to go

To your hood It's going to be My niggas And what the fuck When my whole plan Is to take them Out of the hood I don't need that

So I don't want to be For nobody It's not a particular person It's not And I'm not pussy But at the end of the day I'd rather just be I'd rather be the man

That my wife loves me to come home to You know what I'm saying? I'd rather be that dude Like to me As I'm 42 years old Like I really don't have nothing to prove to nobody Clap for the family man God damn it

I don't even deal with disrespect nobody. Clap for the family man. God damn it. Like, how do you deal with disrespect but feeling like that's the way you feel? I can't deal with it. I can't deal with it. That's the thing is,

I still get caught because if you say, if you say something to me, I'm going to say something, but that's not the thing. The thing is, like, because I don't think

I'm whole, right? And the thing about it is, come on, I got one more left in me. I don't think I'm whole, right? And the thing about it is, come on, dude, I got one more left in me. I don't think I'm whole, right? But here's the crazy shit about whole. You said three? Whole watches everything.

Like, everything I ever do, the nigga will send me a message or something and be like, I'm like, damn Damn this nigga's A billionaire If he's watching My shit That means that every Hopefully Every people Out there

Is watching the same As that shit Like Drake called The other day We said that Like Drake called He called Elliot Because me and

Elliot sat here And we went back And forth And that's That's dope to me When the hip hop generation Is listening Because we said

Yo listen And I want to tell you To your face Thank you Fab Because we know That you have An upcoming project Coming out

And this might come out After the project came out But the thing is I hit you I said yo Fab I heard you in Miami I said let's make it happen That's a man of his word

I respect that Like I really Really respect And you know what Every time I ask you To be on a podcast You always say As long as I got something

To promote Nori And to me That's all I That's all I want you to do It's like When you have something To promote Come fuck with us

Because at the end of the day But it ain't even just The promote side Because it's not We ain't promoting that here Right right right chicken it be right I need to be right see let me explain what I'm trying to say that's I know in our generation like you're important fab like let me just say that to you you're important like you know I'm saying that's the reason why you get booked you

know at a 365 days a year I sincerely sincerely believe you can get booked 350 of them. You know what I'm saying? Let's make some noise for that. Got that? You know what I'm saying? And the other 15 days is because you want to take off. You know what I'm saying? And that's dope,

but the thing is, it's important. It's important. What did you say? I don't know. Y'all having some Brooklyn shit going on. Hold on.

Hold on. Some Brooklyn shit going on. I take what it is. Day 10? But, so it's important for you some Brooklyn shit going on. Let's just, hold on. Hold on, some Brooklyn shit going on. I take what is dates. But, so it's important for you to sit down with your own culture. You know what I'm saying?

It's important. You got a date for Halloween. I ain't take it because I want, my family, we do like No, I'm not going to lie, son.

You really dress up on Halloween, son. I thought you was playing like the first year. I see you on Instagram. The first year was the shakiest year for me. Okay, because you was like Dracula, right? The first year? The first year you was playing Like the first year I see you on Instagram The first year Was the shakiest year for me Okay cause you

You was like You was like Dracula The first year The first year you was Dracula He was uh Michael Jackson Nah I'm trying to think

If it was the Adams family Or the like Batman Batman villains We did like the Batman villains I'm not sure I'm not

M what's the first one M Batman Batman I ain't gonna lie You make me feel like I gotta grow up I'm not sure I'm not Em what's the first one Em Batman Batman I ain't gonna lie You make me feel like I gotta grow up I've never dressed up

For Halloween I gotta grow up You can look at me And tell me Yeah cause I guess I guess you crossed that That bridge It's not for you anymore

My wife and my kids Is at Mike's big party Right now It's not for you bro It's for your kids Costume It's a costume party At Mike's big party Right now And No I not for you, bro. It's for your kids. Costume. It's a costume party at Mike's big party right now.

And, no, I use y'all as an excuse. What's that now? That's an excuse. No, I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm going to Cheeseburger Baby and I'm going to see y'all's story. We have that story tonight. Cameo.

Cameo. Excuse me. Cameo, goddammit. Yo, okay, so, Fendi. So, it's not you booking all these shows? Oh, I'm... I need to know. Stay low. Keep firing, bro. with Fendi. So it's not you booking all these shows? I need to know. Stay low,

keep firing, bro. And what's the name of your podcast? Don't let him turn you into 6'9". Give him another shot. Give him another shot. Now he got cut up. This is him by himself.

You can do a small shot. But what's the name of your podcast? That's with Fendi. We did stab the staff I knew that already let's go it's out of the podcast out already so who's your distribution I'll have any chance to actually talk to puffer butter bumping at no podcast you don't call me you know you talk're talking about television shows. Yeah, television shows. We can't control the whole podcast.

Yeah, it's too much of that. It's too much of that. You got to come over here. Don't give up too much. You got to come over here and see him deep. And you got Nicki Minaj already. Yeah, first interview. First interview with Nicki Minaj.

Who's your second interview? What's your man, Duke Kwan? That's who he's down with? Never tell Pepsi where you get the coke from. Who's your second interview with Duke Kwan? You remember Duke Kwan? Yeah, yeah, Duke Kwan? Every time I pass you, we call from. We just took an interview with Duke Kwan. You remember Duke Kwan? Yeah, Duke Kwan. You remember Duke Kwan?

That nigga was the corruptest niggas I ever met. Remember the story I just told you? Some of the guys that were selling you were going to put me on? Duke Kwan was one of them. Duke Kwan was one of them. Did he get you a license? He got me a license. Driver's license?

No, he got me a permit. permit excuse me he helped me get a permit shout out to the quad that's my and he still get one dude yo let me let me tell you something those were the two primiest new york city at one point they had everything like you can go to them and say yo listen that's it fendi duquan i need carter here frank wood remember the wood was They're legends. Fendi, Duclos, I need Cardi B and Frank. Wood, remember the wood shit was exclusive back in the 90s. I need the wood, the shit. And them niggas be like, I'm gonna call Sal. How the fuck you knew the nigga name who had it already?

And I just went and questioned these Brooklyn niggas. Y'all niggas was different. And let me tell you one time. This is the one time I think I killed Hov on stage. High Night Jamaicans. Damn. The white knight, I think I killed. And Hov gonna watch this.

He might call me and be offended. So let's just. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Do you remember that night, Fin? I remember. Like, listen, it was Jermaine Dupri. So what was your take? You think you got Hov that night? I was with him. I was a part of killing Hov. I asked you, you was with himaine Dupri. So what was your take? You think he got old that night?

I was with him. I was a part of killing old. I said, did you kill him? Absolutely. This is the only night. I don't got a lot of these nights. I got one, listen. But Hot Night Jamaica,

it was his birthday. So he came and he ordered, like, Chris style. Them niggas was like, Bumper Clyde, we only have red stripes. We only have red stripes. only have red stripes I was like I got him

And I went on And Fendi Was my hype man You remember that? Yeah Fendi Absolutely He's sweating Tiger Bowl right now

But you gotta admit this I know your Brooklyn side Is not letting you admit this Oh nah I think that night It got him and Jermaine Dupri No no no When Superdog came on Oh yeah We was, we was out here. Okay. Okay. We must camera on a Jim Jones a couple times, too

Let's be clear Come on Let's not do that We was a force to be reckoned with Oh shit Someone's at my house Hold on Come on Hello Your brain turned on Hello

I'm done this show Oh food delivery Alright Let him out That's probably my son He's a greedy nigga To earn this show man Nah

Put him up in the front of the crib Yo but Fab Let me just tell you something man. Nah, you know, put love in the front of the crib. Yo, but Fab, let me just tell you something, man. I really appreciate you being a man of your word. Thank you. Every time I seen you, you were like,

you know, I got you. And I was like, damn, man. I was like, I got you. And you said, you know, man. And every time you had something to promote, you came to see me. And this time, big up to iRasta.

iRasta sent me a flyer and I hit you direct. And you said, nigga up to iRasta. iRasta, send me a flyer, and I'll hit you direct. And you said, nigga, let's go. We need more fabs out here, man. Yes, we do. Fab, fab, fab. Let me tell you something. Let me keep bigging them up before we get up out here.

More fabs than 6ix9ine? Yeah, facts. Yes, more fabs, less 6ix9ine. No, wait, quick question. Mm-hmm. I'm in. 6ix9ine get released next week. Yeah.

He definitely could. He definitely could. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah.

Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah.

Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. Hell nah. But I'm going to tell him to his face I don't like you Nah but you shouldn't even say that It's not personal It's not personal with him You can't say I don't like you But you said that you and Fab and Kiss

Yeah we held to a different standard I don't think we should have him on the platform What's your standard? I think me personally I would tell him I don't like you he's gonna have him on the Nori podcast no listen you know why because the thing is with this see doing up doing a song with you I feel like that's why I was at disagreeing earlier doing a song with you I feel like that's cosigning you. Doing an interview with you,

I don't feel like it's cosigning you at all. I feel like I'm just talking to you. I can talk to, I talk to fucking, I talk to skinheads in the camera. I talk to skinheads. I talk to KKKs. Now, but you can't say that.

We're talking about saying we have legends here. That's why you can't say that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That'd be clearly for cloud chasing. What about if 6ix9ine weren see that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and I went to jail for three and a half years for snitches and I don't respect you but if he can handle that then I'm going to get a nigga I'm on vacation that day

no problem you can't give him the platform you can't give him the platform so we editing this part out? no no keep it in keep it in this is what I'm saying if Sammy the Bull wants to come here I will tell Sammy saying This is what I'm saying If Sammy the Bull Wants to come here

I would tell Sammy the Bull I disagree with you I heard Sammy the Bull Tell me Nobody knows Sammy the Bull Sammy the Bull It's a different culture It's a different culture

That's that culture You said No that People that watch this shit Ain't gonna Ain't gonna Take from Sammy the Bull The way they

And we did talk to Sammy the Bull Yes We had a Conference call With Sammy the Bull Who wanted to start to Sammy the Bull We had a Conference call With Sammy the Bull Who wanted to start A podcast

We actually did Talk to Sammy the Bull That's just the Whole total Of the era I think it's a Different thing man All together man

Listen I probably would Right But if I did Interview 6ix9ine I would sit Down here Let's just listen

I would tell him I did three and a half years of my life For niggas like you I don't like you, I don't respect you And I really don't want to talk to you But I'm going to let you talk And I'm going to dispute everything you say I'm going to refute everything you say

To me that's not That's not a problem to me Now if you tell me Nah fuck it don't give him a platform everything you say. To me, that's not a problem. To me. That's to me. Now, if you tell me, nah, fuck it, don't give him a platform, then that's something totally different.

All you're going to do on the platform is try to justify what he... Which is true. And the reason why he can't justify it is because he said, gang, gang.

Once you say, gang, gang, and you say that, then you have to oblige by those rules But what he's saying too The people who watch it Then they make

Their judgment If they want to accept What he's saying or not Absolutely So when you give them That platform You give them a chance And by the way

I'm not cosigning him I'm not cosigning him Our kids Right Like you said They don't come from The same Moral codes

We come from So they might look at it And really be like Nah Niggas was niggas was going for me 10 years i would have did it too you know what i'm saying like they come from a different right my son don't live in that world right very true not posted i'm working hard so that he don't have to so so so so you come home when your son is banging The new 6ix9ine Nah my son Knows 6ix9ine He's like man

6ix9ine's a snitch My son said it Without me telling him And you know You know what's the Fucked up part about it Is since 6ix9ine's snitch

Every day He didn't listen to his music Though while he was Right I hear Swerving And I know that might be A Boogie record Or I know that might be a boogie record Oh, I know a busy zone there

Then you know, I love a boogie. You know me but the thing is the radio station did not pull that wreck When we had a student for the hot any seven they pulled our records was pulled that day Not next week. They didn't have a half million They said, shoot out a phone on 107, pull the motherfuckers' records. But 6ix9ine never got an incident in the radio station. That's a different thing.

Yeah, different thing. What I'm saying is, I'm saying is, the sincerity of the situation made them pull my record immediately. I'm telling you, the sincerity of the situation did not make these people pull their record.

I think the word snitch means less now than it did 15 years ago. So I think the word snitch now means it could be a part of the culture to some people. It wasn't when we say, yo, y'all call it snitching. I call it pole. Look at that pole. Wait, what? It's something weird. Is it?

Is it? Is it? I don't know, but it just seemed mad funny. It's something weird. Is it? Is it? Is it? I don't know, but it just seemed mad funny. Let's just go. He said, y'all call it snitching. I call it Poe looking out for Poe. Oh, fuck. So that's the mentality that, you know, a lot of people are taking. Like, I ain't snitching.

I just don't want to do. I ain't. You know what I mean? I don't want nobody to care no more, man. They don't have that. I ain't You know what I mean I don't want nobody To care no more man They don't have that Yeah they stay in there I'm not I'm not

Following this code That I gotta stick to But it's deeper than the code It's deeper Because sometimes And they was involved You You was with this shit

That's what it is That's crazy If you interviewed Shakespeare when he came home I wouldn't be mad at you You taught him You wouldn't be No

I'm being honest Even when I interviewed Troy App on I wouldn't be mad at you You wouldn't be? No I'm being honest Even when I interviewed Troy Abb And I don't want to put them In the same category But if you really Watch that interview As a street person

I did I asked him Every which way Question it was supposed To be asked You know what I'm saying? I'm going to watch it But the thing is this

The thing is this What people got to stop doing Is people already Accusing Troy Abb Of being a snitch When he actually Didn't take the stand He said I he he put out a rap little finger from the stand He never took it yet. That's what made it

Yeah, he kind of said he kind of said why would not because the other nigga is Right it is. That's what 6ix9ine did though. He said it was self-defense too. 6ix9ine did the same thing. What do you mean? What do you mean 6ix9ine did the same thing? They was already investigating the whole 6ix9ine crew before he got locked up. So somebody

already went in and told them and they wired the cars up and all that before 6ix9ine even got in any trouble. Somebody was already working with the police, so I'm pretty sure they came to him and said, hey, who was such and such? And he was like, I don't know him. Maybe he was like, I don't know him.

And they was like, oh, you don't know him? Well, let me play this tape for you. You know that guy right there? Because you right here with him? That's how the feds work. The feds, they ask you a question, they got answers for it already. So I can't say...

And they intern you because you got more answers for it. Yeah, they had their answers for it. No, they need the corrobor because you got more answers for yeah they got they had their answers for no they need the corroboration from that witness not saying they made it right

for them they got something already like what he's saying they got something right but they need you to understand

yeah they need you to understand they got you into something they got so now you turn to get them to get

more more the whole operation it's like having you on wiretap and you say some shit on wiretap and then they ask

you to say it you say no and they play it back for you and say you didn't sayap and you say some shit on wiretap and then they ask you to say it and you say no and they play it back for you and say, you didn't say that. And the Frank Lucas shit in the movie, they called his nephew or something because he shot his girl in the ass or something like that. And they brought him and said, all right, we know we got you for shooting this girl because we were staking out your house. But if you don't want to go to jail for this. You can talk about this.

Talk about what's going on over here. And that's how, that's how they get you. Because you don't want to take the thing for what you did. You don't want to take

the responsibility for that. Frank Lucas' nephew is supposed to say, nah, give me the fucking, give me the three years, the five years, I'm not going, but niggas don't want

to take that. Niggas don't want to take the responsibility for what they did. Niggas don't want to take six months, they don't want to take Their responsibility For what they did Niggas don't want to take Six months They definitely can take that And you got a rock chain

Fat But you're not Technically rock That was gifted to me On my birthday On my 40th birthday I told you I always felt like

I was under the Rock family tree I lost my rock chain Okay Yeah Why'd you do that? Because I'm high High? Yeah I used to take Rock family tree. I lost my rock chain. Okay. Yeah Cuz I'm high I just take a I just take a heavy amount of ecstasy at one point Oh, let's not talk about that right now cuz I still do it at some point spoken on but we don't

I don't be honest at some point. I still take a little dad like every It's not it's not often but every now and then a Like it's not, it's not often, but every now and then, a little bass, a little bass. You gotta take a little bit and save it for later. That's what happened with Puff wanted to party for you. That's why he didn't catch it. Yeah! How old can you get? That's my favorite. Yo Fab, man, let me tell you get? Five.

Yo, Fab, man, let me tell you something, man. Fendi, man, both of y'all brothers, man. You brothers, I know both of y'all individually, separately. I said individually, separately. That's hard. Hard. So I know both of y'all individually, separately. And I know y'all together.

And I know y'all together. And you know what? I want to say that I'm proud of both of y'all brothers, man, because so many people in this industry, they give up or they go the other way, and they become bad people, and they become haters. You guys always been in the top of your game. You guys continue to just monkey foot this shit and just push through the doors, and you continue to make money for fucking five, six days a fucking week and i'm watching y'all and i'm counting your money i'm happy i'm so sorry about the irs they're not listening they're not listening they don't fuck with us like that but um i just want to say that man if there's anybody that never told y'all man what y'all doing is what you're doing is the right thing and continue to do What y'all doing And feeding y'all family And I know sometimes You miss you know

Christmases And Thanksgiving Because I've been there I've been there for 15 years You know So I've been there

Halloween No no Fuck Halloween I don't miss Halloween Listen I'm going to be honest I'm going to call you This Halloween

Because I'm going to Have you get my family right Because you know What I'm saying I'm going to be honest And on the I'm going to have you get my family right. You know what I'm saying? On the low, in my mind, I've been wanting to call you for years to help me with my stylist game because I've never seen you with a bum outfit and I'm kind of mad.

No, no, no. Listen, listen. Fab's going to have a bum day. One day you're going to come out with the Cortez, the Nike Cortez, but I've never seen gonna have a bum day. Like, one day you're gonna come out. You're gonna come out with, like, the Cortez. The light Cortez. But I've never seen you have a bum day. Me neither.

You look, look, Fendi, hey. I'm gonna roll keep it up this thing. I love Fendi. I fuck with Fendi, man. You know, like you said, we come from the same neck of the woods. We have a genuine respect for each other. Even though his podcast was supposed to be me and him. He spent off.

Oh, word? Still my nigga. He know you getting too much money. Who is your co-host? Your co-host? I didn't want it. I'm going to get back at him. I didn't want the money. Your co-host yourself Your co-host? I didn't want it. I'm going to get back at him. I didn't want that money.

Your co-host yourself? It's never too late. You guys just started the podcast together. Drink responsibly. Hey, let's ignore it, Dan. I wanted to determine on that question you asked Fab, who was his favorite CEO. Okay. Who was your favorite CEO?

Well, my favorite CEO over the time has been Neil Levine. Over time. It took time for the year. Over time. But my favorite CEO, like, is Leo Collins. There's no dude that...

He just embodied the boss. What's his name? One of the dumbest shit. My thing with Leo, I never, he never, I came over where he was, even when I came over to the Atlantic, it was Electro-Merge and everything, I never got the Def Jam gel from him.

We went to a Yankee game, but it just didn't, like he didn't, he didn't. Y'all didn't mesh. You know what I'm saying? And I was looking to mesh because of course, by the time, I'm under y'all class, but I'm saying and I was I was looking to mesh because of course by the I'm under y'all class I might be all calling I'm a great great seats at the Yankee game we just say you know I'm saying like you didn't give me that what's in there I know his relationship with old

I know no I is probably it was and this is all do respect was probably you because yeah i'm cool i'm cool and laid back so let's especially at that time he probably wanted more of you like because when you that's the type of person he was like this i'll just tell you i described something i know we gotta get up out of here but um i remember i became so hot like around that freestyle and leo called me and said where are you at and i said i'm at puns video shoot I said, I'm at Punz's video shoot. He said, I'll be there. He just hung up.

And he pulled up. He never asked me where the video shoot was. And to me, when he pulled up, I knew automatically I was signing with Devin Jan. Because he didn't ask me where,

he didn't ask me what borough, he didn't ask me, are you in New York? He just said, I'll be there. And he just pulled up. But again, Fab, Fendi, man, they keep keep waving I don't even know what that means

man they are both great brothers I'm glad that you brothers are together and getting money you know I'm very proud of your growth I'm very proud of the man that you turned into fab not because I can't be your older brother I'm one year older than you and but you know in hip-hop I'm your older brother but not in life and I just I see you know the growth that you do. You know niggas got older brothers that are one year older than you. Yeah, I know. I know, I know.

But you know, I'm going to let you live. I'm going to let you live. He said you older brother. I'm still the OG. I'm not the OG. You better give me the OG shit. One year older than you.

I'm only two years older than my brother. I'm real white. I'm OG and older. But I want to thank y'all. I want to thank you for I'm only two years older. But I want to thank y'all. I want to thank you for being the man of what you were. I want to thank you, Fendi, for always sticking to the script and sticking with this game. So many people was in your position.

They quit. They got out this game. They have motherfucking working in the laundry mat right now. I take my cleaners to these niggas and tell them no creases. Foul. Real, though. It's foul if it's not real. But I want to thank y'all.

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