Drink Champs - Episode 185 w/ CeeLo Green

Episode Date: November 15, 2019

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today's episode The Champs chop it up with legendary rapper, singer, songwriter, record producer, and actor CeeLo Green! The great story teller, shares a variety of stories that span throughout his career.Taking it back, CeeLo tells the story of how Organized Noize, Goodie Mob and Dungeon Family were created and breaks down who coined the term “Dirty South”. CeeLo also shares what inspired the creation of "Cell Therapy" the classic debut single by Goodie Mob.Sharing stories about touring with Lionel Richie, writing for the Pussycat Dolls and working on NBC's hit show "The Voice", CeeLo refreshes our “Bacardi brain” as he shares the story of "Player's Ball" the debut video by OutKast which was directed by Diddy.CeeLo also shares various Gnarls Barkley stories, including how he met Danger Mouse and what motivated him to write their legendary single “CRAZY”. Drink Champs alumni Gunplay also joins in on the conversation.This episode is filled with lots of great stories that you don't want to miss!Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreagaZebit: Visit Zebit.com/DRINKCHAMPS to get up to $2,500 to shop the Zebit marketplace at zero interest and zero cost to join.BlueChew: Get your first shipment free at BlueChew.com with promo code CHAMPS, just pay $5 shipping.--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make some noise. Now, again, I say this to my partner all the time. Because when we started this show, we said we wanted to cover legends. We wanted to cover people who've been out here sacrificing. Putting the culture first. Putting the culture on their back. But you think of this man. He's a part of one of the most legendary families in hip- legendary family part of one of the most legendary groups of hip-hop

he got about three different careers but you just look at all the diversity he has done you look at how he's out here relevant and so many different worlds, from touring with Lionel Richie to, you know what I'm saying, to recording with DJ Khaled the other day when I was there. I actually got to witness. If you don't know who the fuck I'm talking about, we're talking about the legendary CeeLo Green!

Now, we want to take it from the beginning because you guys are part of the rich history of the South. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Not only just ATL, I want to broaden the view because at first, us coming from New York, we looked at the South and really like Miami at the forefront because of you guys and what what Uncle Luke was doing so let's take it from the beginning how did you get started just in music period? Is it Goody Mob before Dungeon Family or Dungeon Family then Goody Mob? Yeah um initially we considered everyone in the Goody Mob Goody Mob was it was a street name um uh yeah an old dude

from my neighborhood uh his name is big limb we call him big duddy he was the one that coined the name goody mob oh wow so it was a crew uh kujo was a part of that crew so what they would do was you know put their goods in the Crown Royal bags, the little purple bags. That was like their flavor or whatever. You know what I'm saying? So it was like goodie bags. So they called themselves the P-Funk Goodie Mob. The P-Funk Goodie Mob.

The P-Funk Goodie Mob, yeah. So I got to credit them as the originator of the name, you know, and that eventually evolved over into the art, the art form, you know, of where Cujo and Timo from Goody Mob, they began as a local group called the Lumberjacks. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? And Gip,

Big Gip, he was a part of another crew called the East Point Chain Gang, including Cool Breeze. So Cool Breeze is the gentleman that coined the phrase Dirty South. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Before anybody?

Before anybody. He's the first one. Wow. So when you look at history, if you go back, that Soul Food album, it was kind of broken up into working parts. Lumberjacks could not put any of their prior recorded music on that album because they were going through litigations with former management. I was a solo artist, you know, singer, you know, thug, slash, fucking, you know, MC, all of that.

You know what I'm saying? And so... So, excuse me, so Goody Mob was kind of really a collective. It was a collective. It was a collective. So, like, it was such a strong entity and a strong presence and namesake in the city that, you know what I mean, like, it was natural for everybody to kind of assume it, you know what I mean, like, because of the association.

Right. You know what I'm saying? You know, and everybody was kind of coming from different places, you know what I mean? Andre Antoine, like, you know, Antoine is Big Boy's real name. Okay, all right. We want to see that. You got to break it down for all of you. Let me try to just pace myself.

I'm excited to be here. No, no, no. We're excited to have you. We're excited to have you. Trust me. Oh, yeah, please. You can have your own, brother. Drink what you drink.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I don't know if you smoke tobacco. I smoke blunch and shit like that. I'm still old school. Yeah, I hope you are. I hope you are. Come on, brother. Hey, hey, hey. Yeah, I smoke blunts and shit like that. I'm still old school. I'll help you. I'll help you. Come on, brother. Hey, get that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get some of that. Get some of that. Because we don't... That's some different shit right there. Let's talk some shit. I ain't no fun. I ain't no fun.

Let me tell you about you. You drink tequila and you just act normal as shit. Like most people drink tequila and then be like, you know, they speak slurter, slurter, like, I've seen him drink tequila and be normal. When they drink it like that, they usually good. They connoisseurs. Shout out to 2020 and Nine Lives Collective.

We got the Smoke Champs coming out with them very soon. Real soon. Yes, yes, Smoke Champs coming out with them very soon. Really soon. Yes, yes. Smoke Champs coming out with them very soon. Hey, you want a lighter too? Yeah. Give him a lighter because I remember

me and Birdman just fighting for a goddamn lighter the whole goddamn episode. It was great. I don't know if you peeped that. Me and Birdman, we just kept...

All right, so this is that vanilla. I'm going to try this out. Yeah, yeah. If you need another flavor, you know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Also pick up the shine.

We got, you know, smoking out of those right now. But listen, Where was I Okay so let's go back Okay So wait So really quick Just from my knowledge

Because I'm a big fan Of everything y'all done Right So Goody Mob Is before Dungeon Family Or it's all happening At the same time It was all happening

At the same time Almost You know Pretty much simultaneously You know what I mean Like Organized Noise Rico Wade Sleepy Brown Ray Murray almost, you know, pretty much simultaneously. You know what I mean? Like Organized Noise, Rico Wade,

Sleepy Brown, Ray Murray. Sleepy Brown and Rico Wade were part of a dance troupe called Guess. See, back then, the sensation in the city was talent shows. You know what I'm saying?

And it was really like real old school. This was before gunplay and all of that. So it was talent shows and it was rival high schools And big part fights So we went to Mays High

Benjamin E. Mays High School And our rival high school Was Douglas High Frederick Douglas High Wow So like you know After the football game Or whatever

Let me tell you It would be like The movie Outsiders Right So like a real Old fashioned rumble Type shit Okay

So they went from that. So Rico Wade and Sleepy Brian, they were like, you know, ghetto superstars for being dancers. And then they eventually

went into production. I actually got one of the original Dungeon Family first-generation here. You know, Sir Kawan Preta. That's right.

Ghetto Vision, Discover T.R., all of that. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, it's so much to the story. The Dungeon Family house, right? That house., Discover T.I., all of that. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, it's so much to the story. The Dungeon Family house, right?

That house. The legendary house. Is that where all the music started from? Because didn't Big Boy just buy that house or something like that? Big Boy just recently

purchased the house. It's being completely overdone and renovated. Wow. And, you know, we were kind of like in the talks with another little

upstart company that's doing, it's called Hip Hop Tours of Atlanta. I'm not sure if the business is going to work out, but they were doing tours, you know? Oh, so you're trying to keep it like a monument type of thing? I thought when he bought it, he was going to try to... No, I keep it as a monument.

Oh. He was talking about all kinds of... Which it should be. Like Martin Luther King House in Atlanta. Oh, okay. Absolutely. Yeah, that's hard. I didn't even think of that.

That's hard. Oh. So I'm going to try to fast forward, try to make it all make sense. Actually, I messed up because what I really meant was organized noise before Goody Mo. That's really what I meant.

Now, organized noise is the producers? The production crew. Okay. People knew them, but it's because they were dancers. They were part of a dance group called Guess.

Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? So they was like... They were like, hit a play out here. Damn it. Okay, so it was crap. It was. They were part of a dance group called Guess. You know what I'm saying? So they were like, they were like, hit the play out here. Damn it. It was like five or six of them in the room, right? Something like that.

You know what I mean? So they was dancers, and that was the thing. You know what I mean? Like, you could dance, you could dress, and you could fight. That was it.

You know what I'm saying? You could play sports or whatever. Let me bounce around for a little bit. So was Southern Catalystic, Playalistic, was that like the first gem where now the South gem where like, now the South is being viewed

or it still was like hard after that? Because, like let me just explain. Like for us, Queens was having a hard time, right? But when Nas came out

with Illmatic, for those couple of years, it was like, it was cool because people, it was like we proved ourselves. Am I saying that correct? Let me segue, me being from Miami, we had this thing where we wanted to represent ourselves

lyrically out of Miami on some hip hop shit. So we had an artist named Mother Superior, she got shoved by Island Music. We had different artists and we could never really represent ourselves lyrically and I felt like OutKast, that album was that for Atlanta. I mean that's what it looked like to me but see we there was a time when Atlanta what they call Atlanta little Miami right so with the MC Shaggy's the Gucci Cruiser hold on we had that synergy between each other. You know what I mean? So we, you know, Oh shit, I didn't even know this.

I didn't even know this. You know, Disco Rick, he's still a good friend of mine. Disco Rick, absolutely. So I think like we, I'm up right now. We're like a midway point,

you know, literally between, you know, Florida, the bottom of it, you know, and yeah, we call ourselves The bottom

Right You know what I'm saying So we had We were We had both of The influences You know what I'm saying And it's a trip

How it comes back Around full circle Because you know What was Electro pop Or whatever It was considered When African

Bandbada and Soul Sony Force did it Which was bass Really And ultimately We called it Skate and rink music You know what I'm saying?

And then it ultimately evolved into Miami bass. So it's kind of really all of the same. Right. You know what I'm saying? But lyrically, we were,

I mean, obviously, affected and inspired by East Coast. Absolutely. And raw, boom bap, East Coast hip hop. You know what I'm saying? Right.

So lyrically, I'm glad that you said that because I know I'm speaking for myself, but I think a lot of us really felt like our first ones to truly represent lyrically was either 8-Ball or MJG out of Memphis. Out of Memphis, yes. And Poison Clan. Yes, yes. JT Money and them.

It was the clan party, right? Absolutely. They were the NWA of the South. That's what I'm saying. Have you said before on Poison Clan what you said? Debonair. Debonair and JT Money. And then you came a group called Home Team as well. Yeah.

A-Ball. A-Ball, A-Ball, MJG. Yeah. So they came out before OutKast? Yeah. Damn, I didn't know that. And they were being upchained too. For some reason I thought they were at the same time.

What year is that, Ash? No, no. They're pioneers of the South. Wait, before they... They're 91. No, I think you were before that. Outkast is what year? No, I'm talking about like, A-Ball and JG. 93?

A-Ball and JG is later. Outkast is 94. Oh, okay, 94, okay. And A-Ball and JG is 91. Oh, okay, damn, bro. I always thought that came out the same time. So you say, okay, all right, because for me,

that's what I looked at when I seen that album. And even if it's crazy, but us even seeing that Puff Daddy directed that first OutKast video. How... I didn't even know. Wait, wait.

Yeah. What did he do? Yeah, the first OutKast video ever, like, produced, ever directed. In the foreign joint? Yeah. That was Puff Daddy.

Puffy directing Player's Ball. Yes. Get the fuck out of here, bro. How could you let... You're fucking me up right now. How could you... I was about to ask you Who are her? Puffy directing Players ball Yes Get the fuck out of here That's true I kid you not You're fucking me up right now I kid you not

I kid you not Like you I forget What documentary And that's on the face Right That's on the face Yeah it was on the face

Right It was mentioned On the Organized Notes documentary The Art of Organized Notes On Netflix Which I watched It was amazing too Catch that part

Yeah I'm feeling Bacardi brain Bacardi There's a lot of history On there But it's nowhere Netflix. I watched it. It was amazing too. Catch that part. Yeah. I feel like it's a lot of history on there but it's nowhere near the whole story though. Right.

So, like, I mean, there's very few people in this rap game that have so many like, like,

like, like elements to them like when it comes to the crew. Like, you guys got Killer Mike. You guys got Fuck Him. You guys got Fuck Him. You guys got Fuck Him. It's so much.

It's like the Wu-Tang of the South. I was just about to say that. I was about to say that, but I don't want to say the Wu-Tang, because Wu-Tang is just nine. What do they call them when it's all of them? No, but Wu-Tang has

all those separate elements. And I feel like that's what they're called. They're killing R&B. They're killing B. They had Sons of Man. They had Ring Figures. It's like the same thing. To me, that's what they had. The killer army, the killer memes. Yeah, Sons of Man. They had great figures. This is like the same thing.

To me, that's what they were. Dungeon Family was that to us in the South. Right. To me. How does it feel? We took it as a compliment.

Did you know that everyone would essentially be stars when your guys was coming up? Not necessarily. I felt that as far as Atlanta was concerned

we were the most authentic you know what I mean incredible with that that first offer on Southern Playlist to Cadillac Music

without Cass I mean because you know and this is not to discredit those who came before us whether it be Criss Cross the rest of the development

the brat you know what I mean like Shadi all of it you feel me like it'sat, you know what I mean, like Shadi, anything social, all of that, all of that, you feel me, like it's all relative, you know what I'm saying,

like, but as far as raw rap and lyricism, you know what I mean, and just showing that range, you know, we were the first. Yeah,

no, I agree, it's the first thing. I felt like we was like the Cold Crush Brothers of the South. Goddamn, make some noise for that,

goddamn. Now, you know, Drink Chance, we're going to bounce around a little bit. Now, I think last year or the year before, I'm not sure,

you had a video that went viral that you was on the phone. Right. And everyone was like, what the fuck is going on? The studio? We was calling you.

I had six different numbers on you. I called everyone. It didn't work. Like, everyone, like, what exactly happened to the people that didn't see your explanation? I was working on an independent project, and it was meant to be kind of like a mixtape or an EP, you know, kind of thing of where it was to be held over until we could finish the Nas Broccoli record because we was having scheduling differences.

So I called it Nali Davidson, right? So it was a part of it. And I said, okay, around the time it was the Samsung phones, and that was a real thing. That was a real issue. They were blowing up. You know what I'm saying? Catching on fire.

Right, but it was a current event. So I said, okay, let me try to pull from that. And it's like, how do these superheroes come about?

You know, by way of some type of trauma, something traumatic happens, you know what I mean? Like, you know,

you get hit with a gamma ray, you get bit by a spider, whatever happens. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, alright,

so let's use this real life thing and make the video the way it's believable for that however long we can stretch it out and then drop the project but anyway

she was really like dead because it played out of order when I was sending it to the special effects people we was going through passes okay like turn the smoke up on this or like that

we was just kind of color correcting and all that kind of stuff. And one of them leaked. Like, one of the emails leaked. So, you know, some blog and ATL got a hold to it and blasted off with it. So, initially, because it's meant to, I'm thinking, I'm doing something,

it's a stunt out of just, I'm thinking it's going to be funny to people. I'm thinking they're going to know it's ridiculous. It's going to be like, oh, okay, great. But no, people will so, you got to understand, bro, it's a difference between hearing something happen to your people

and seeing it. You feel me? You're right. So with that being, it was funny for the first little while, but my phone was on me.

So I got phone calls from everybody from Ice Cube to Minister Louis Farrakhan. Dang. I imagine Samsung, was Samsung worried?

Because that's what everybody was like, get the fuck away from your Samsung phone right now, nigga. Like, niggas was like, Samsung, man, man, no.

They was hands up. They didn't want nothing to do with it. Yeah, I'm sure Samsung was like, please say it wasn't our fault. You know what I mean? But yeah,

so that's what happened, man. So that was Christmas time of whatever So that was Christmas time of whatever year that was. I think it was like a year or so ago. And then the Grammys didn't play out until that following February. So what it was meant to do was to hit the Friday of the Grammys.

You know what I'm saying? I go to the red carpet and boom. I don't know if you saw the other stunt I did where I went and I crashed the Grammys. You know what I'm saying? Oh shit. I'm looking? In the old gold jar. Yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. I'm looking like a

transformer from another world. But can I tell y'all dope, something dope about that fucking whole thing? It didn't work out because like,

you know, the time elapsed and people just really didn't take too well to being, you know, like, alarmed in that kind of way.

Like, people just really, and the funny thing about it is I got a chance to see how much love I had out there. That's for sure. You know what I'm saying? For sure.

But the project didn't work. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, but what was dope about it, the research was so, you know what I mean? Invaluable to you. Yeah, yeah.

It worked so well, you know, as far as coverage. Right. Nori, the only one who ain't seen it. Right, right. I gotta see that. I gotta see that one. The gold part. Yeah, I didn't see that one. It worked so well, you know, as far as coverage. Right. Nori, the only one who ain't seen it. Right, right. I gotta see that. I gotta see that one.

The gold part, I didn't see that one. It worked so well as far as coverage. Marvel Comics reached out to me and we sat down with their JV division

and we had... To create off of that character? They wanted to make an official Marvel comic character. Wow. Dog,

if the deal hadn't went right, I would have been on comic character. Wow. Duh. If the deal hadn't went right, I would have been on Endgame. Wow. You know what I'm saying? But I'll tell you what happened.

What would have been your name? The real, the name of it was Gnarly Davidson. Okay. But, you know, you got to think Marvel,

you got to think Disney, you got to think Harley Davidson. They probably would have had to revise the name. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, you got to think Marvel, you got to think Disney, then you got to think Harley Davidson. They probably would have had to revise the name. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, what they were saying was they... If I'm a hero, I want to be Smoke-A-Lot. Yeah, no doubt.

Sir Smoke-A-Lot? Sir Smoke-A-Lot. Sir Smoke-A-Lot. I saw him cry. He could be on Game of Thrones. I saw him cry on some smoking ball. Sir Smoke-A-Lot. You might be the mother of dragons.

Sir Smoke-A-Lot. I got a cake crimes with smoking bombs. So smoke a lot. You might be the mother of dragons. So smoke a lot. I got a cape that's made out of burning weed and shit. You know what I'm saying? You got a dragon that likes to eat you. You know how like a smoke... Dave Chappelle beat you to it already. No, no, no.

He ain't got smoke a lot. Smoke a lot was the rapper. He wasn't a superhero in half bake. I know you're talking About half bake True true true But I'm gonna be The nigga like I'm gonna just walk in

It's gonna be And then like my cake Gonna be burning Like people gonna think I'm on fire all the time I'm smoking But it's just smoking I'm sorry

I'm fucking shit up We regressed No but that's crazy That you could've been In smoke But what they were saying Was it would've been Historic because

It would've been The first of where A character was based Off a real living being Wow But the trick to that is living beings are prone to liability.

It's not infallible. They couldn't do it. They don't want to risk it. You like the McGallow? I just received a picture. The who? The McGallow? I thought you said McDonald's. It's kind of like McDonald's but it's like McDowell's.

No, I see, I see. To be totally honest, I'm a little, I'm a little ignorant on what it actually, on the origin of the way it come from. Yeah, what is that, man? I haven't even seen it in the last few years. It's like a big Halloween party? It's like a Halloween party for the rich. Yeah, yeah. But it's dope, though, because I love to see people, you know what I'm saying, like, be fly and be individuals.

And, you know, individuals And you know like You know fashion Of course is Yeah absolutely It's a facet of the art So y'all know I like wearing wild shit too So like

I like to see people Do their thing How did you develop that That's my next question is Because When you look at the origin From where you Outkast

Goody Mob Dungeon Family in general You guys are from the hood You guys are from the Deep deep south You guys are from the hood you guys are from the deep deep south you guys are from the but you guys have the ability

to make music that brings you to these other genres right and you're able to mix with those other crowds like

you know what I'm saying like how did you develop that like well to be totally honest man like the

my my personal taste the first thing I ever loved was rock and roll and heavy metal. Same here. I loved rock and roll and heavy metal. Get the fuck out of here. I talked about it on Drink Chance before. Like, Iron Maiden. Shit is coming out now. Shit is coming out.

Shit is coming out. I'm glad you started with Iron Maiden because Bruce Dickinson is one of my favorite all-time singers. And favorite friend. Bruce Dickinson, Ronnie James Dio, you know, Rob Halford from fucking Judas Priest.

Def Leppard was dope. Yeah. We got the same management. I'm friends with all of my rock idols. But hip-hop cats be scared to talk about this shit. I don't know why. I like Pink Floyd.

That's not rock? Yeah, of course it is. I know, I know. Pink Floyd's like originated in the rock. It's funny you just mentioned Pink Floyd, man's not wrong. Yeah, of course it is. Pink Floyd's like originated. It's funny you just mentioned Pink Floyd, man. I got a friend of mine who was at the sauna with me in the building, and he showed me a clipper when he was sound checking. I don't know how he got this access, but David Gilmour, you know, was sound checking, and he was playing crazy.

Wow. You know what I'm saying? So I just got it today. I'll play it for you after this. All right, all right. Let's do it. No, no, no. I got this crazy question. I'm not going for you After this Right right right Yeah So Let me answer

Your question You know what I mean Like Gibb had a good answer too Like another thing That was big for us When we was kids In Atlanta

Was wrestling So like You know Like it's a couple I love the road warriors The British Bulldogs The fine areas Road warrior

Ultimate warrior Road warrior So me it was Animal and Hulk Okay alright You know what I'm saying So what I'm Ric Flair of course So what I'm basically Saying is The Road Warrior or Ultimate Warrior? Road Warrior. So, me, it was Animal and Hulk. Okay, all right. You know what I'm saying? So, I'm Rick Flair, of course. So, what I'm basically saying is that costume and that pageantry, like, I mean, like, it was kind of normal.

You know what I'm saying? And then, you know, but then me, on the soulful side, big band side, Earth, Wind, and Fire. You know what I'm saying? And those people put so much into the presentation. You know what I'm saying? So, I thought that that was, you know,

I felt like that was a standard. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? Right. And when they speak to you in such a way, I felt like it belonged to me

in order to kind of, you know, carry on a tradition as an artist, right? So, then George Clinton christened us the Young Parliament Funkadelic. So, that's really

the bottom line He was like Yo y'all are us I mean like Was he on acid At the time He was on everything In my mind

I just feel like He was on acid I went to OR Everything He was on a lot He was on a lot of drugs But that's beautiful But he's a superhero

He survived it all Right Am I saying that right I think so man Like you know So I want to say I mean like Because I was looking At your line on IG And people was like Oh shit about them Like rocked it all. Am I saying it right? I think so, man. Like, you know, so I want to say it all. I mean, like,

because I was looking at your line on IG and people was like, oh, shit, about them, like, it was like, yo, a bunch of dope questions. I said, damn, I want to make sure

I nail it. One of the illest questions that people keep asking was how does it feel to be a singer in a group? And then another question that asked was

rapping-wise, did you feel you was better than Andre 3000? I don't know why, in the group. And then another question that I asked was, rapping-wise, did you feel you was better than Andre 3000? I don't know why, but that question came up so much. Like, I would imagine competition-wise,

you guys are true MCs. You would feel you're better than the next one. To be totally honest, I felt like we were, we also call ourselves the X-Men. You know what I mean? So I feel.

Goody Mob? All of us. Or all y'all collectively, okay. We did a GQ photo spread as the X-Men. Right, wow. And that's to say that everybody is signified by their own special and unique power. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Nah, Rico Way is. Okay, all right, cool, all right, cool. I made up some shit. Okay. signified by their own special and unique power. Did you confess that in Xavier? Nah, Rico Wade is. Okay, all right, cool, all right, cool. I made up some shit. Okay, cool. I was whoever. But I was powerful, though. He had some powers.

Nah, so it wasn't that kind of competition. We felt like we were supporting each other. You know what I mean? It was a real family vibe. Me and Dre go all the way back to the third grade, man. Like, a lot of us, a few of us know each other longer. Like, that's probably one of the longer relationships in the entire Dunge family. But then again, I grew up with Timo.

He's lived over the street over from me. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's three years older than me, but, you know, he graduated with my sister, so I had always seen him, you know, all my whole life. Wow. You know, but, nah, man, man, it was never that kind of competition. But, you know, I will say this, for the record, Killer Mike,

since we mentioned him, he's a real great MC in my opinion. You feel me? A lot of people's opinions. Great person all around. Absolutely. But he said in the GQ interview

that he thought I was the best out of the Dungeon family. Did you know that, KP? I heard that. Yeah, he said that. So that's him. Y'all probably

at the end of the interview will ask him. Yeah, yeah. But I never thought like that. I just that. Yeah, he said that. So that's him. Y'all probably at the end of the interview will ask him. Yeah, yeah. But I never thought like that. I just, when I think about family, when I think about crew, I just come to play my position. You know what I'm saying?

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Well, I'm asking this because it was the most repeated. I know that you're a motherfucking hardcore motherfucker. Yeah, I think that's counted. No, I just wanted, I mean, it was the most asked question. I actually literally looked at all my comments. So I just got to ask. How did it feel to be a singer in a crew of emcees? Yeah.

I was an emcee in a crew of emcees. Right. So they just got to go back and do the history, obviously. You know, but I think it's kind of like, you know, where you would realize that everybody's got melody, everybody could sing, like Dre ended up, you know, spreading his wings, and a lot of the times when we perform, like, you know, let me tell you something, like, I've been, that's been a part of my repertoire from the beginning, like, even from UTFO, you know, 4CMDs, you know, Let Me Love You. Good, good, good. You can do that.

Go ahead. You can do that. Hey! She was kicking through my body. Go ahead. Go ahead, nigga. So you know how you got them high school sweetheart songs? Like, it was a song by UTF-4

called Fairytale Love Em. Y'all remember that record? Uh-uh. Aw, man. Well, you know, so it was that kind of stuff. It was a new edition. It was all that.

So, like, I always felt like... Candy, girl. Come on, man. I'm into that. I swore I was a new edition. You know what I'm So like, I always felt like, come on, man. I'm into that. I swore I was a new edition. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I still think I'm in new editions

but I tried to bust a move and I realized I'm old by it. You know what I'm saying? But nah, like, so all of that, I'm referencing all that

to say it's all just, you know, an acknowledgement. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? I just say, man, like, if you got an in you,

man, just do what you can. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? You know, so I felt, I felt very if you got an in you, just do what you can. You feel me? You know, so I felt very natural doing it. You know what I'm saying?

Because I saw people do it so well and so, you know, so far before me. Travis Scott recently sampled you, right? Who? Yeah, he sampled me.

Who sampled him? Travis Scott. Oh. What record did Travis sample? He sampled Cell Therapy, Goody Mop Cell Therapy before his song 5% T. One of the craziest records ever.

Super classic in hip-hop. Are you just about to say something? Yeah, no. This is the thing. I felt like, and I don't think that you could relate to this being from New York. They schooled me out.

I'm alright. You school me all the time. Queens and shit. Did y'all ever feel like coming out the South and trying to do the lyrical route? Did y'all ever feel like Coming out the South And trying to do the lyrical route Did y'all Cause the thing that always rings to me

Is when Outkast was at the Source Awards Saying what they said about the South Right The South got something to say Right Yes Legendary Did y'all come with that

Like when y'all were in the studio Were y'all thinking about Like we're gonna represent Lyrically Or was it just natural Like what was it What was the mind frame y'all were in the studio, were y'all thinking about, we're going to represent lyrically, or was it just natural? What was the mind frame, y'all, in the booth? I think naturally, when you're a fan, you kind of liken yourself to your favorites. You know what I mean?

And you kind of grow up. You know what I mean? Or you live vicariously through. You know what I mean? You train, spark. You know what I mean? Like, you train, spark, you know what I mean? Like, with your listening palate, you know what I mean,

if you will. So, you know, we was just taught by the best. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, my favorite MC of all time is Melly Mel. Right.

You know what I'm saying? His rhyme at the end of Beat Street is the best rhyme ever written in history. And Melly Mel beat a nigga ass to a beat. Jesus. That's what I'm saying.

That nigga's name would fall out of shape. They was gangsters. Like, you feel me? Like, you look at the next show. And we need Melly Mel on the podcast. Yes, we need Melly Mel beat a nigga ass Yeah you do That's what you've seen They was gangsters Like you feel me like You look at the And we need Melly Mel On the podcast That's why

Yeah Them niggas in the Middle of the Bronx Man like with spikes on And leather You know what I mean Them shit They were like

Urban warriors No joke That shit spoke to me You know that's Something that In hip hop Like you know In the last couple of years

A lot of the artists Been dressing like You know a little weird And I've Removed myself the last couple of years, a lot of the artists have been dressing a little weird. And I've removed myself from comedy because I remember those days of Melly Mel and these guys with the

spikes and tight chokers. I feel like Outkast and Andre specifically was doing that. I remember it was an interview somewhere where he said I'm just mimicking he said he wants

to look like the music yeah wow yeah exactly wow that makes sense man wow you know

I don't know it's entertainment man it's just really like all for fun like I said if you got it in you man you definitely should go for it

you know what I mean like I didn't think it would have spoke to me in that way if it didn't feel natural to me. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it would have never spoke to me.

But you say it's entertainment, but Goody Mob's material was very serious. Absolutely. Like, y'all were talking to things that today on Donald Trump's era we could relate back

to that album. No, you're right. You're right. So the first album. Yeah, definitely. Like, because I was about to say, you know, as a crew, as a large collective,

we, and coming from where we were coming from, feeling the biased, you know what I'm saying? You know, I've said this on a number of occasions too, of where we wanted to distinguish the difference

between being Southern and being country. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, we took country as condescending. You know what I'm saying? So like, it was, but in terms of social politics

as well I mean like we felt like we wanted to be counted we felt like we were fighting for the civil rights of southern hip hop as well that's why the narrative was what it was but you know the fashion statement is to flaunt you know what I mean you know it's almost

it's a dare if you will I mean I like to consider it as that because you know what I mean? It's almost like it's a dare, if you will. I mean, I like to consider it as that because we were hands-on as well, all of that. You feel me? All right. So let's describe. Sure. You're part of Goody Mob.

You guys are. Am I making sense? No, of course. You're part of Goody Mob. At some point, none of us will make sense. It's okay. It's okay. I don't know. You're part of the... At some point, none of us will make sense though. It's okay. It's okay.

I don't know. It's all about entertainment like we said. There's so many shows where people, they want to give people their flowers after they can't smoke. We want to give our people. There should be no way, shape, form, or fashion that I can't tell you how much I appreciate you to your face. Thank you, bro.

I say, bro, we're a fan. We'd be a fan of you for an f417 of your careers like a jamaican yes we are we are part of you we we support you whether you're there or you're not when you're not around we speak about you highly and we want you to know to your face that you're a legend you mean so much to hip-hop and we want to tell you to your face. So salute. It's that watermelon. You know what I'm saying? Salute. Gotcha. My, yeah.

I immediately want another one. I'm just going to throw it out there. You need to relax, man. It tastes good, but it goes down wrong. It definitely did hit me a little bit later. Okay, so it comes a time where you're saying not leave Goody Mob, but you want to step outside. Right. I think you always Goody Mob, though.

No, no, no. That's the way I feel like. Well, yeah. Y'all can do your different things, but you always Goody Mob. Man, we just got off tour. Right. Yeah, we've been touring. I've seen you guys a bunch of times.

Describe that moment when you, like, because it comes a time when you had to step out on your own. Right. And obviously you wanted to do that, or obviously the music industry pulled you towards doing that. Right. So can you describe that moment for the people that don't know? Yeah, we was just having... Sorry to cut you off, because people from New York, we sort of looked at that and seen you by yourself at times. Like, oh, we thought it was a discrepancy.

We thought it was something that happened. You know what I'm saying? So I apologize. I'm going to cut you off real quick. Yeah, please don't bother. But as a precursor, I feel like

what you did with Nas Barkley is a precursor to Run the Jewels and everything that came after that. I agree. I agree.

And so, sorry, go ahead. No, let me see, can I recall it? Like like it was just a real simple uh difference of professional opinion and musical taste at that point after we had you know been very fortunate to have three consecutive gold records you know it's just like you know the last one you know we were really at odds with creatively you know what i'm saying and um you know, we were really at odds with creatively, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, I was just kind of getting, you know, a little, you know, impatient, I

think. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? Like, I felt like I had something else that I was capable of, you know what I mean? Like, but I needed to commit to it. I needed an opportunity to, and I needed the support in doing so. You know what I'm saying? That's what I expected.

I didn't realize that, you know, like, it would, you know, be any kind of discord, you know what I'm saying? That's what I expected. I didn't realize that, you know, like it would, you know, be any kind of discord or disconnect. I just thought it would be a testament to our elasticity. Show how far we could stretch. That's a big word.

What the book say? Elasticity. I ain't gonna probably use that. I don't even know what it means. But I'm fucking with you. Use it right now.

Elasticity, nigga. I'm gonna go after you. You ain't chance. We can show our elasticity. I think we finished this show and we're gonna get something to eat because of our elasticity, nigga. My man, he tell you that was hard.

You see what I'm saying? But like, yo, so I'm basically saying that to say it really wasn't severance. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it was just stretch. Right. You know what I mean? And in there... Because you had a single album. Yeah, yeah. A solo album. Absolutely. like you know what I mean like it was just stretch right you know what I mean and um and in that

cause you had a solo album yeah like a solo album absolutely and in that you know there's growing pain you feel me now was there like

discrepancies from that like cause when you did a solo album was it still on the face or was it yeah what happened on the paper side

on the label side um yeah we me and Get Pay both got gotten solo deals with The Face. Big on Gip. Yeah. Well, as a matter of fact, it was when L.A. Reid, what's up? Shout out to the godfather, L.A. Reid.

Put the salt on. Big him up. I think he was just making that transition over to Arista. So, you know, Lumberjacks, it was coming more from the grits, which is Cujo and Timo. And they wanted to Arista. So, you know, Lumberjacks, it was coming more from the grits, which is Cujo and Timo, and they wanted to do independently. So that was their decision.

Hey, we just want to go independent. You know, you know, Gibb is a motherfucking rock star. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, and, you know, he definitely had a shot because if you think about it, Black Ice, one of our bigger singles, you know what I'm saying?

Great record. Without Dre and Big on it, it's a Gip solo song. So was Dirty South without Cool Breeze on it. So everybody was always geared up for Gip to be, you know,

like a big star, a big deal. You feel me? And represent the dungeon. So with that, I mean, he got a solo shot, you know,

I think I was the last to really kind of blossom. At least I, but I'm just, I don't know, I'm modest in that way, I guess. But did you, like, because you know, because sometimes you know, when you go do that, you know, that other move,

and it's successful for you, you look as if you like dissed your brothers, or you leaving it. Like, did you ever, like, because a lot of people like for instance with me a lot of people didn't realize capone was locked up when i started my solo right thing so there was so many rumors saying oh you know nori went and he did because so many people we didn't have internet people didn't identify that my partner was literally in jail right

so to the masses it looked like i came out of the airport in Noriega then I got greedy and I went into my home did you ever I went through it big time you know what I'm saying but um it was really

all agreeable let me like you know like initially you know what I'm saying but then the reality does set in and you get

you know to a point where you're supplying the demand you can't be two places at one time you know what I'm saying so scheduling was conflicting you know what I'm saying like we were having some success you know, to a point where you're supplying the demand, you can't be two places at one time. You know what I'm saying? So scheduling was conflicting, you know what I'm saying? Like, we were having some

success, you know, and we were having some defaulted, you know what I mean? Like, you know, kind of you know, ill kind of energy. I mean, like, you know, and it was just something circumstantial. I don't think it was intentional on nobody's part. You feel me? But, yeah, we went through it.

We went through it, went through it definitely you know and I mean I went on to you know to share it and the success you feel me like when I was

doing the voice you got introduced to a whole different crowd like yeah the Danger Mouse project how does that happen

how does that happen I'm saving you know I bought people let's go I was saving Janal Barkley That's part of the process That we're talking about I was going to CeeLo first But let's go

People don't know No problem That Danger Mouse Is from Atlanta Okay I didn't even know that Yeah People thought that he was

Some kid I found overseas Or something like that You know But that wasn't the case You know We bumped into each other I'm trying to make this story short You know, but that wasn't the case. I mean, like, you know, we bumped into each other. I'm trying to make this story short.

You can make it as long as you want. We don't mind. So, look, we was doing... Take your shoes off. We good out here. Let's do it. We got pillows. We don't mind. We was doing an OutKast video show

at UGA, you know, in Athens, Georgia. So, it was pouring down right there, and I remember this day. And he had on a hoodie, and he gave me a CD. And the CD was called Pelican City. And I'm just referencing it so people can go back and do the knowledge. You know, man, check it out. You feel me?

But I really didn't pay any attention. There was another homeboy of mine named Trey from Athens whose parents had done well. He was like this spoiled kid. He wanted to get into promoting the hip hop shows. That was his first show. And so he brought me back down to Athens, he actually reintroduced me to Danger. So Danger was working on another project

with a kid named Gemini called Danger, Rhymes and Gemini. So he said, we got in the studio one day, he said, yeah, I want you to do, get on this remix for us so i did the remix we did the session i'm like all right you say like yo do you mind if i play you a couple things i was like cool so he played me some he played me this ill shit that's about danger mouse yeah this is danger okay so he goes on to play all this ill shit that you know um that ends up becoming something else but i was just taken by it it spoke to me in a real way and

i was like oh i said this is i said this is different i said like yo i want to use a couple of these let me do you know then years later i found out in an interview that we having that he said he was bluffing me but what he told me was he said well i don't normally do you know just you know tracks i do albums you know that's what you know, tracks. I do albums. You know, that's what he said. So I said, motherfucker, let's do an album. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's where it came from.

So, you know, we just went in the pocket, so it was completely independent. This record, Crazy, just goes crazy. I was about to say, Crazy was independent? It was independent, but it upstreamed to Atlanta, right? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Crazy was independent? Get the fuck out of here! I swear to God. But I'm going to tell you real quick, it went to Atlanta, right, wait. Stop, stop, stop, stop. Crazy was independent? Get the fuck out of here.

I'm going to tell you real quick. It went to Atlanta, right? Eventually. Atlanta? Atlanta, Atlanta. Atlantic. I'm talking about Atlanta. I'm drinking.

I'm like, of course it went to Atlanta. From Atlanta, it went to Atlanta. But I'm going to tell you what. Real quick. Before you go, it went to Atlanta. Absolutely. Before my drunkenness. So, I went to Sam Cresco's office one day.

Big up Sam Cresco. Puerto Rico's in the building. And on the board, they had records that they were promoting, and it was Nas Barkley. I was like, oh, shit. And that's how I knew that this was already upstream. And I'm like, this is crazy. This is going to be a crazy record. Okay, first of all, I'm dyslexic.

So, is this Janal's Barkley or Nas Barkley? Who's Janaro? I thought that was G. Jan is it Janarls, Barkley, or Narls? That G is silent? Who's Janarls? I thought that G. Who's Janarls? Janarls, your cousin? Listen, that G is silent? It's just Narls.

It ain't Janarls. It ain't the G. I'm bugging you. It could be for you. Janarls is your cousin. I'm dyslexic. I see shit different. I'm sorry. No, Janarls.

Janarls, no. Shut Janarls in the building. No, Janarls, no. Make some noise for Janarls. Allarls, Janarls, shut Janarls in the building. Oh, Janarls, Janarls. Make some noise for Janarls. All right, all right, telling me all these years, I see a G. You been saying Janarls all these years? I think it's... Are we serious right now?

Oh, you're playing jokes on me? Everybody text each other in group text, and I was not involved. Janarls Barclays, another group from... I swear to God, I wasn't that involved. Yeah, Janal Barkley is another group from this one. Okay, my bad, my bad.

Okay, so, now how, like you said, I like to do what you said with the Run the Jewels thing because the thing about it was it brung

to a totally different audience. Right, right. Although Outkast was a different audience as well. How different was this audience when we did the Nalls Barkley?

Janals, no G, right? No, man. Jesus, man. For like 17 years I've been saying Janals. I don't know, I'm sorry. Boris feels like I do that. So how different was that? It was super different man um we got in and um about

four out of the six or seven things ain't play end up making the album so he came to Atlanta he had done this this mixtape car on the whitebum I mean the Great Album I'm sorry the Jay-Z joint right yeah the Jay-Z joint that's how about that the collaboration I was 100% drunk sure that that was was it the Beatles and Jay-Z mixed together yeah

so he killed that he just gave me one because it had even become a sensation at that point so I don't really know the makeup

but it was dope when I heard it but then when it just blew up right so at this time I wasn't I was displaced I wasn't even

on no label I mean like you know and at this time, I was displaced. I wasn't even on no label. You know what I mean? Like, you know, and at this time, I wrote and produced Don't Ya at the same time, too. Don't Ya for the Pussycat Dolls. Did you know that?

That's it. That's it. That's it. No G. I'm sorry. I'm just counting your money, CeeLo. I'm sorry.

That was dope. That was dope That was dope Go ahead continue Alright So the stars just aligned So well man Like This fucking

He said I got a week He said I gotta go out To Iceland With Damon Albarn Only Iceland From the Gorillaz And work on this new record I'm gonna bring it all down

So he said I got a week Let's just try some shit Let's get in He said but yo But first This is Danger telling you this This is Danger talking to me Okay

I'm not gonna lie As soon as he said Iceland Let's get in. He said, but yo, but first. Is Danger telling you this? Is Danger talking to me? Okay. I'm not going to lie. As soon as he said Iceland, I immediately got cold. He said, yo. He said, I know you, of course. I respect you. I like most of your music that you do. He said most? That's how he talk.

No, he didn't tell you most. No, no, no. It's all good. It's dope. I like most of your music. He said, but I noticed in your music that there's a theme that runs throughout it. And you seem to want to try to do a lot of good. He said, you have a lot of good things to say.

We're always positive. He said, I get that. I like that. He said, but I figure anybody's got that much, you know, has got that much, is trying to do that much good as God has done an equal amount of bad He said that's what I want to hear. No, sir Oh shit, no, thank you for the crazy Not so like basically the make a little stress fast on that shit I spazzed on it You know me like I got music just spoke to me that kind of way. So anyway, let's open the first record

Yeah, record is crazy. Yeah We did about five or six records. I mean, the whole album's a classic. Right, right. And, you know, so crazy is done in just one take. We just demoed it. What you hear is

it would be considered a demo, but we just flew that way because it got leaked. Hold on a second, mom. You're trying to be modest. Nah, I'm serious. I'm going to brag for you, nigga. But no, you know.

Did you just say you recorded that in one take? Yeah That deserves a Tiger Bowl Damn, I killed it Alright, alright, alright You know what? We know what? For the last couple of episodes

We've been doing the watermelon Because it's been girls, right? We had Angie Martinez Don't blame it on the girls, bro. Yeah, I didn't want to give Angie Martinez a Tiger Bowl. Yeah, man. She deserved Tiger Bowl.

Did you bring a new bottle of Tiger Bowl? Yeah, it's not there. All right. So, what are we going to do? All right. We got enough. We got enough for us right now.

Yo, what's going on? What's going on? I'm still not answering the question, man. Yo, let him answer the question. No, I want to salute you right now. What question was the answer? I'm sorry. No, we him answer the question. Oh, my man, I want to salute you right now. What question did you answer?

I'm sorry. No, we were just saying how he was tripping off it was just being independent. Nah, that was crazy. No, the one take is when he was

tripping off it. The one take and the independence both blow me out my river because... People asked us after the fact, they said,

did y'all know Crazy was going to end up becoming what it was? He was like, no, he said, the only thing I knew as a producer was

it sounded more like a single than anything else that we had done prior. So you knew that was a single when you did the record? That's what he was saying. He just said it sounded like a single. You know, he didn't really know. Danger said that? Yeah.

This is what he was telling the interviewer. This was after the fact. But did you know that? No, I didn't. You didn't think so? No. Wow. We just, you know. Come on, get these niggas a shot, too. Third shot extender. We just busting off shots. Nah. Wow. We just, you know.

Come on, get these niggas a shot, too. Third shot extender. We're just busting out shots. Oh, yeah. Get these niggas a shot, too. We're just automatic, man. Busting out shots. Nah, nah.

This is, nah. See, I'm going to fully warn you. Yo, relax, buddy. You gave me way too much. Nah, nah. It's okay. You give me some more. You give me some more.

Yeah. Tiny bit more. Tiny bit. This is where we had that first time. That's what it was. That's cool. The first time was cool. Yeah, you want more. That's where we had that first time. That's cool. The first time was cool. Yeah, you want more? This is Tiger Bone.

Yeah, you know this is aged in my garage. Joe's garage. Ancient Cuban secret. Okay, once again. Michelle. This is to your career. Salud. Chachigali. Cheers. Cheers. Michelle This is to your career Salute I hate that shit

That's good too It wasn't that bad It's not good man I like it No you don't Stop it It wasn't that bad Don't perpetuate the lie

I'm a drinker though Yeah no he's a drinker This is not a drink No any man They just Yo I see them Drinking Patronage And stand there

Like I was like There's no symptoms There's no effect You know He 40's like that too Yeah that's what he got He 40's a drinker You know me yeah

Okay so Anyway when you said How'd you got on Atlantic Okay The shit The record leaks It goes bananas You know said oh, you didn't plan on dropping it in the pen it leaked it leaked. Oh, that's that's a big difference

Okay, so look then it goes It's the first record to go number one by digital downloads at that time. So you feel me? So shit was number one Several weeks before we did a deal. It was number one in London. So you were visiting SoundCloud rappers. It's close to you. I had something to do. This was before SoundCloud.

Thank you, boy. Yay! This is a crazy story. I kind of considered this one of the first viral records. This is a fact. Viral. This is a fact. I'm not going to lie to him. The impact was so big that I always first viral records. This is the fact. Like, viral. Super viral.

I'm not going to lie to them, the impact was so big that I always thought it was a major from the beginning. So me hearing you say that is blowing my mind. But no, this record has got a Guinness World Record, man, for being played on more radio formats than any other song in history. The crazy was played on talk radio. This is one big motherfucking song, man. Like, you know, on like AM.

Oh, AM somewhere, man. Maury Povich is playing this record. In my mind, he did. But look, I want to give you guys a fun fact. Atlantic actually turned down the R&B for us. Interscope turned us down. A couple of people turned it down. Then we ended up

getting distribution through a gentleman by the name of Josh Deutsch who was starting another independent record called Downtown

which had Santigo. Y'all familiar with her? Yes. She's amazing. We was label mates in that little show at the time. But he ended up

getting his distribution through Atlantic and that's how Atlantic came about. And let me explain really quick. As a DJ I already had the record because he bootleg your shit but I had a marketing I have a marketing company and I and I was working Atlantic and Sam

Crespo which I've known Sam and I went to the label and I was so happy to see the record I already was fucking with on the board. It was on the board at Atlantic Records. And did you first get a hold of it by the way the leak too? I had the white label. Right, okay. That is cool. That's the leak?

Yeah. Yeah, the white label. And the thing is, my whole company is everything crazy. Like my company is crazy with productions and crazy is everything we talk about. Crazy! So your record spoke to us. That is a fact.

Nah, it's just like, I mean, that shit is dope. To look back on it, it's like, wow, you know what I mean?

Like, I can't really have no feeling what kind of way about it. I'm blessed and I'm fortunate, man,

but you know, like, it wasn't by my design, not necessarily. Now, recently, Big Boy performed in Super Bowl. i'll just talk about

it and you you you like the friend you are you stepped up you you defended them because of everything that was going on then you received some backlash yeah so what what was that like explain in in your point of view what what was your meaning? Well, the shit got so out of hand, man, I ended up doing a formal apology on TMZ. Damn. But what the post was, you know,

you know, Big was getting a lot of backlash, you know what I'm saying, like for supporting the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying? You know, I know how it is to be under the gun. You know what I'm saying? Like I know the pressure. You know what I'm, I know how it is

to be under the gun. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know the pressure. You know what I'm saying? He was doing it, you know, as an individual artist.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, which is, which is a feat, you know what I'm saying, in his hometown. So a lot of people

don't know what's going on. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Adam and Big are really good friends and business partners. Adam Levine.

Adam Levine, from World 5. It was, it was his Adam and Big are really good friends and business partners. Adam Levine. Adam Levine, right. From World War V. Right, yep. It was his pleasure, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, to allow,

you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? Like, us to be represented. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like somebody from the city should have represented in that time slot.

One of the most coveted six minutes of our time you've ever motherfucking seen, right? You know what I'm saying? So, like, he got to do that. So, anyway, one of the most coveted six minutes of the most coveted six minutes of A.I. Time you've ever motherfucking seen, right? You know what I'm saying? So like,

he got to do that. So anyway, just as a friend, I'm like, damn, I'm feeling his pressure, but then I'm feeling encouraged,

you know what I mean? Like, you know, because I'm looking at him, I'm like, when I see him, I see me, I see us.

And I'm like, damn, you know what I'm saying? You feel me? Like, this is, this shit is super relevant. You know what I mean? Like, we were right in the eye of the storm. And I was like, letting him You know what I'm saying? You feel me? Like, this shit is super relevant.

You know what I mean? Like, we were right in the eye of the storm. And I was letting him know. I needed to let him know in a real public way that I loved him and I supported him. And I'm like, don't crumble under the pressure. You know what I'm saying? Because I know there is something. Like, a part of the talent is making it look easy as it does.

You feel me? Like, you know, this shit could be demanding. You know what I'm? She could be demanding. You feel me? Taxing. You know what I'm saying? So that's what it was. And that's why it's a tone that come along with my explanation because that's how I felt. But the light side of it is we was in motherfucking Taco Mac in Atlanta. A little joint that's got

the dope chicken wings and little bar foods and we watching the fucking game. I'm drinking some Blue Moons. We having fun. I'm with my wife. We having fun. You know what I'm saying? What's up, Queen Shani? And I just do it.

You know what I'm saying? Yo, big, do that shit. You look beautiful, baby. Fuck these protesters. What I said, fuck these so-called protesters. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, you know.

They took it in a whole different way. They did. I'm like, yo, you got to know that it's, there's nothing, have nothing to do with police brutality

and all some shit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. That's not what you meant. I know exactly. And sometimes when I say things, I'm thinking people knowing me from all of the history

and all of the work we put in. But they didn't take the time to figure out all that shit. This has always been our play. I think sometimes, I think you underestimate your celebrity. I do.

Meaning, meaning like you're so much bigger than, like it's just like, just even seeing you at DJ Khaled House and you literally came in by yourself.

Khaled, remember, you want me to say Khaled. I can't, I'm dyslexic, man. I'm just riding with it the way I'm doing it. Dyslexia has nothing to do with that. It's the way I'm living it. But you did

by yourself. Most people will ever be caught like that. That's honorable. But it's also like sometimes in certain situations, it's a little crazy. It's a little crazy to be By itself

By itself But technically with Naver So I really felt like I was just coming down the street Okay yeah yeah yeah No no no No no no no You know what I mean

I'm just saying I'm just saying I'm saying relating to the Twitter thing No no no Sometimes you're probably You know Tweeting and you're speaking to

You're a You know You're You're a You're a version of people, but there's so many people that follow you, or so many people that's there just to just, you know. A retweet or whatever.

Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Yeah, it's super sensitive, but I was able to rectify it, you know what I'm saying? I can show somebody I don't demand, and I truly meant no harm. It was just, you know, drunken love and support, man.

Happy for your brother, which is absolutely correct, man. Right, because we love and support, man. For a full-time team. Happy for your brother, which is absolutely correct, man. You know what I mean? Right, because we live in a sensitive moment. Like, we live in times where comedians have to be, like, so fucking cautious.

And I don't like that, man. About what the fuck they're saying. The times we live in, man. Like, the political correctness. Because if you look at hip-hop, you look at all the fucking bad shit

that you go back from back in the day. It's terrible. Holy moly guacamole. Like, we're all fucked up. And we shouldn't take it back. Like, we're all fucked up fucking bad shit that you go back from back in the days. It's terrible. Holy moly guacamole. Like, we're all fucked up. And we shouldn't take it back. Like, we're all fucked up. Like, if you go and look at every fucking lyric,

like... It's terrible. Like, it's terrible. Like, people be sending me tweets, like, yo, yo, yo, erase this. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, I said that? That was me?

Like, they was like, yo, that was 2000 and such and such. I'm like, what the moly moly? I didn't even know. And I still don't think it's me, so I would 2000 and such. I'm like, what the moly moly? I didn't even know. I still don't think it's me, so I would have told them. Because, like, people was operating my shit. Don't take it back. Just evolve.

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podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts all this happens they call you for sure the voice man immediately is it is it the bag or is it like You know what Let me see if I can Add on to What they're trying to build I'm going to say it's not the bag I don't know It's not the bag

Not a bag I ain't going to lie If it was the bag for me I would have been there With a pinata hat on Like that Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding You know

The only thing about me The only thing about me I can't hurt people's feelings Like I got thing about me I can't hurt people's feelings like I got a good heart I can't hurt anybody's feelings me either I don't like that shit either man look

the shit is dope like right so I was doing a Saturday night live performance I had that question too that's kind of stunning I know that's right

I can't press the button I'm gonna get this motherfucker I don't know I'm not getting get this motherfucker. I'm not getting it. You want me to get it? No, I'll get it. Hold on, it's going to work. Wait, wait, don't say anything because I'm going to ruin everything.

All right, all right. There we go. Nah, so we were doing a performance, man, and Sir Mark Burnett was there. So Mark Burnett is television and film, you know, royalty. That's the word.

That's like, you know, executive producer of The Apprentice and Survivor. Wow. You name it. You feel me?

Like, he's done exceptional as well. So, he out there in the fucking audience checking out the show.

I mean, him and Lorne Michaels who, you know, I guess is I love how he was starting. I love him. Continue starting. I love it. I love it.

Continue, my brother. So, with that, he just said he saw something in me. You know what I mean?

You feel me? And it didn't hurt that I had the motherfucking number one record in the country at the time, either.

Never hurts. Never hurts. Continue, my brother. Continue. Yes, I love it. I love it. I love it, I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Listen, man.

You got me, man. So that's how this shit go, man. I love it, man. I love it. No, seriously, though, like, me and Adam were cool. Right. We all got together. We had dinner. Like, they let us know off the top of who they thought the cast would be. So, like, you know. So we sat down and we had a preliminary

dinner together, man, and everybody was just like, me and Adam knowing each other. It's a dope story about Adam, too. Can I say it right quick? Yes, please.

When you say Adam, listen, we know you're like very like up there. A lot of people don't know. Yeah, please. We don't know nobody by people's names.

All the audiences excuse us. I'm the name Maroon 5. Okay, yeah. And for those who don't know, by people's names. All the answers. All the answers. Excuse us. Have a name Maroon 5. Okay, yeah. Okay. And for those who don't know, Maroon 5 is one of the biggest... Let me be careful how I word this. What is it?

Because what was the... I don't know where you're going with this. Like... You're going to change that to NSYNC? They're like the grown version of NSYNC. Maroon 5. You're not. Those are fair. Yeah, like before NSYNC was... I don't think you want to be compared to NSYNC. They're like the grown version of NSYNC. Moon 5. Yeah, like before NSYNC was NSYNC. They're like the grown-up version of Moon 5.

They're not a boy band. And they wear Rolexes. I'm not fucking with you right now. Adam Levine Rolex game. Seriously. You ever see Adam Levine Rolex game? We text and trade pictures. He's like, what are you thinking about?

His watch game is crazy. By the way, I have no idea. I felt like I what are you thinking about this? His watch game is crazy. By the way, your watch, I have no idea. I felt like I can't pronounce whatever the name of your watch is. It's called a Dunamis. It's ridiculous. A Dunamis? I felt like the Wizard of Oz is jumping. That is hard.

That is hard. It's old, man. It's old. It's called a Dunamis? It's a Dunamis. It was an upstart, and we were supporting each other, man. I was like, yo, I love that design. Wow.

I mean, it was a couple years ago. I was about 10 years old. Wow. So the style, like, you know, like, everybody's on, like, slim, trim, you know, like, you know, patek, you know what I mean? Like, you know, presidential, you know, all that. And I got those, too. But this is old.

You know what I mean? That shit is old. You know what I mean? That shit is dreamin'! It's only because you was just talking about Adam's watch. Yeah, no, no. I'm like, me is like watches, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is old school. It's something that probably...

Stop, you're hurting my eyes. But look, it's worth nothing, man. It my eyes. But look, it's worth nothing. It's so original and unique, it's worth nothing. What do you mean by that? You can't trade it for anything. It's like painting... Only the Mona Lisa. It's like painting a Rolls Royce lime green.

Once you personalize it to that point, it's your car. Yeah, only person that wants it is a person that wants a lime green car. You know what I'm saying? And then, of course, these watches are estimated and ranked by their motoring. You know what I'm saying? And then, of course, you know, like, these watches are estimated, you know what I'm saying, like, and ranked by their motoring, you know what I'm saying,

like, the movement. So it's like, you know, this is like... So it's like that and Banksy. Yeah. I don't know. I got it, though. I got it.

Kind of like that. Yeah, I mean, like, it could be a Banksy watch? Yeah. No, Banksy's the motherfucker. He is the motherfucker. He's a genius. That's the art nigga, right? Yeah. He's like an art the motherfucker. He is the motherfucker. He's a genius. That's the art nigga, right?

Yeah. He's like an art graffiti nigga. He used to be violating. Like, you know, let me tell you something. Why you violating, bro? If they find out he black,

he gonna go to jail. What? Because the shit he be doing is like, you gotta be white. Because he used to be putting like paintings and museums and shit.

That shit was already there. Like, come on, you can't do that if you're black. If you're black, you're getting arrested. The art community and the white community and middle America at large love him so much. If he turns out to be black, he can fucking be the next black president. Wow. Yeah.

Wow. That's how dope motherfuckers consider him to be. You know what I'm saying? He going to be Japanese. I got notes, nigga. Hold on. You got the old rated R in the building? What's up, rated R? Success in the building what's up Rated R

success in the building what's up my brother he's got our bodies god damn it I got notes he's got our body with it man let's talk about

some more good shit what you was saying man we was on the watch so anyway like I just brought it out because it worked so well with what I was doing tonight

you feel me and um that was another class I love it I love it I love it but I'm trying to tell you Some real shit

Because it's not how Motherfuckers And now the larger conversation Has become property Real estate You know One of the young niggas Is talking about that right now

So like I'm just being real about Like just the fact that This watch is worth nothing It looks good It's worth nothing And you be staying At the Faena Hotel

Yes What a segue I'm just being honest That hotel Was that the Faena Is that a bum. I'm just being honest. That hotel. Was that the downer? Faina? Was that a bummer?

I've never seen that hotel for under like $2,400 or like $1,400. I've never seen it. Like that, that is. Oh, the room rates?

Yeah. I didn't know that. They don't charge us for rooms. Oh. No, no, no, no. Horde down. Horde down. No, not, no, no, no. Horde down, horde down. No, not like that.

It's because we worked there. We're with it. No, you broke our heart with that, bro. No, when I'm over there, I'm an employee. It's one of the most gorgeous properties on South Beach. He says he's an employee when he's there? That was the best. I don't get that.

That was the best. What I'm saying is I'm a paid performer and a preferred guest. So, you know, I'm still getting, you know, the business is still formal

but the amenities are scripted. It's written in. I don't really... No. I'm not at that level. We're not at that level. We can't relate.

Listen. The other day he said it. He said it so non at that level! We can't relate! Listen. Listen. The other day he said it. He said it so Nosh and Loppy. We can all roll it right now. Let's go! Let's go right now! We're in a boot shop!

Let's go! Let's go! Yeah, he was just talking the other day. This is a loving community. Trust me. He was just talking the other day. He was like, yeah, because I'll be at the, um, the Faheen Hotel, you know what I'm saying? I was looking at this nigga.

I was like, what the fuck did he just? Because now, mind you, this is how I'm, this is how I'm going to be. I'm going to be at the hotel. I'm going to be at the hotel. I'm going to be at the hotel. I'm going to be at the hotel. I'm going to be at the hotel. I'm going to be at the, yeah, because I'll be at the Faina Hotel. You know what I'm saying? I was looking at this nigga. I was like, what the fuck did he just... Because now, mind you, this is how I found out about the... I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right.

Faina Hotel. That's it. Sounds like a Mexican restaurant. Was Drink Champs Army. This is when we was on. We was battling everybody out there. So Jay Z had landed in Miami, and the Drink Champs Army had showed me a picture of Jay-Z. So I wanted, I sent it to Jay, but I wanted, no, it wasn't, you know, us stalking him.

But, you know, this is how much people want you on Drink Champs. So he's like, where the fuck did you see this at? He's like, yo, he's like, you know what? Come meet me at the hotel. So he said, yo, the Faena Hotel. And I had never heard of this shit. So what is it? That's the hotel.

What is it? I've never been there. I've actually, I've actually. It's like where Mexican revolutionaries hang out. No, no, no, hold up. As I'm on the way going there, he goes, yo, chill. Meet me at the Chris Rock show. And the Chris Rock show was by my place

where Rolling Loud is this weekend. So I just turned around and went that way. And then my wife gets her hair done. But I actually never went in there or whatever, but everyone. You see, that's stunning too. I went and looked. You look like you fucked with Jay.

Like, no, no, no. There's a couple of big guys. Yeah, he's stunning. He's stunning. He needed me for something. It was just something. No, he didn't. No, he didn He needed me for something My man, New Jersey twerking okay

That either mean if you got twerk that either mean you sell a lot of drugs or you're in the strip club. And I'm like, look at your face and tell. It's the first one. Let's make some noise. Let's make some noise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So see, though, man, coming from where you came from, seeing, you ever thought hip hop would be this big? You ever thought that you'll be performing? You went on tour with Lionel Richie. I imagine old bitches was throwing panties on stage

with Lionel Richie. Or the pens. They might have been throwing the pens on stage. They were throwing grandma panties on stage with Lionel Richie. He's still getting it popping. No doubt. Nah, he was taking care of it. He had a bad

one with him the entire time. I feel like he's 24. He's like 900. He was good, you know what I'm saying? But the greatest part about that is just the acknowledgement, you know what I mean? Like, you know, the share the space, you know what I mean? Like, to be

mentioned in the same sentence, man, is such a compliment, man. You feel me? Like, I can't help but be humble about that, man. A lot of riches, you know, like, you know what I mean, like to be mentioned in the same sentence, man, it's such a compliment, man, you feel me, like, I can't help but be humble about that, man, Lionel Rich is my, you know, like, you know, that's my ancestor, man, like, he come before me, I'm humble, you know what I'm saying, you feel me? How's that phone call even getting that phone call to Lionel Rich, you want you to come roll? And do you act, do you act like a little stuck up at first, because you like, you know, I mean, you have to be humble and light on that

one thing I'm going to be is comfortable because you know what I'm saying like it's just if I know these people I grew up with them

you know what I'm saying you feel me like I can I mean he essentially taught me how to sing I can sing along

like how I know how to sing is imitating people so it's like you know and I realized that I was you know growing and something like i'm getting better when i could just be flush up against it you

know something like you feel me like and not be able to tell the difference between myself and the track i mean so that's how i learned i say but the biggest uh the first step to being great is having great taste you feel me you just got to know what's good you know something like you know but the first thing you feel is what's good to you you saying? You feel me? You just got to know what's good. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, but the first thing you'll feel is what's good to you. You know what I'm saying? You feel me?

And it might not be everything for everybody else, but like, you got to just be true to thine self as the saying goes. You know what I'm saying? Right.

And that's where all this colorful shit come from, man. Like, you know, I just be having fun with it now, you know what I'm saying? Like, because it ain't

no secret. Okay, let's make some noise for that. I've never seen Lionel Richie perform. I had dinner, like, adjacent with him. He was to the side one time. And then I've had dinner across the street from him one time. But I've seen LL perform.

And LL at some point gives out roses. And every woman in the crowd loses their mind. For some reason I feel like Lionel Richie has a routine like that am I bugging see I was

I was trying to say something you know poignant about it as opposed to just being too but like the reality of it was

I was coming on early people were still filing in their seats I was performing to like you know nowhere near full right you know what I'm saying and then it would eventually grow was performing to like, you know, nowhere near full, right? And then it would eventually grow throughout

the set. People start sitting down, getting comfortable, and then night would fall. You know, by the time I'm at the songs that they're going to actually motherfucking know. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, we finish them off with Crazy and Fuck You and it's like, bam. And what's funny is that he say, and fuck you.

You know what I'm saying? That's literally and fuck you. You know what's crazy shit? That was literally my next question. You keep throwing me out of the loop. And fuck you. My next song is fuck you. That was fuck you independent as well? And fuck you. And what?

We did that together. That was a laugh. He did that together. Fuck you. But no, but Lionel Richie puts on the best

show so much energy and such a fucking arsenal you know what I'm

saying like iconic legendary hit records every tempo from slow to mid to fucking

all night long you know what I'm saying like he's a legend

man that shit is going to be motherfucking we need him on drink chat

I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love Man, dog, that shit's going to be motherfucking awesome. We need him on Drink Chat. A lot of y'all are sitting back not knowing. We need a lot of Richie on Drink Chat. A lot of y'all are sitting back not knowing. Listen, your moms got fucked a lot of Richie. How the fuck y'all here right now? They need to be showing more respect and be louder.

Nah, that's a legend We might think We're a lot younger But once you go It's gonna be just like Muscle memory You're gonna realize And be reminded That you've been around

Right You're gonna know All of these songs Right And that's what's great about it Nah that's god damn That's god damn awesome So um

Throughout all hip hop If you could Do one thing over better, what would you do? I would take my entire emceeing career more serious. You know what I mean? Like, I'm telling you.

Aside from your singing career? Well, singing, like I could do that easier. You feel me? Like I could sing easy. I guess what I mean by that easier you feel me like I could sing easy I guess what I mean by that is like you know

just more adept and more like you know you have an you know have an affinity for like color and harmony and melody

but you don't feel you don't feel that there was a undeveloped lane in your MC career or do you feel I wish you know what I'm saying

like that I had like more rap shit that connected you know what I'm saying like I mean we all know you as an MC will real fans real rap console is me I just made for my solo work um you know all of my albums were kind of like you know they varied I mean like it's rapping it's all kind of shit on them shits

you feel me like so I didn't feel like I did enough as an MC and like I feel like I'm still as good

of an MC as an MC as I can you know what I mean like as I want to be you feel me so but the bulk of what that is

and what it represents like you know like the roots of the tree is Goody and Dungeon Family. That's why we've been refurbishing the brand, boots to the ground with it and doing some shit we haven't done in 25 years together, and that's tour.

We never did it. Oh, this year? Goody Mom is touring right now. Yeah, the Dungeon Family is touring. KP is out there with us. We got actually organized noise. It's like Charlie the tour bus came out just as the, you know,

the top tier just to come and, you know, oversee it and be, you know, you feel me, just be present. You feel me? Like, because it was just,

it's just, it's pretty fucking, you know, historic what we're doing if we don't ever get a chance to do it again. But like, you know. But Andre's in that too? Andre didn't come.

Come on, man. We need Andre. I know. We talk about it. We talk about it. We need him. You feel me We talk about it. We talk about it. We need him. You feel me? What I can tell you is he's proud.

You feel me? And he's accessible. And we are still very, very immediate family, all of us. We talk very consistently. The last three times I've seen Andre 3000, he was by himself with a shoestring belt. All right. That's a great story. But I seen Andre 3000, he was by himself with a shoestring belt. All right, that's a great story. But we know Andre 3000. A shoestring belt.

Why am I doing shit right now? Now, look, that's the same thing you just noticed about me the other day. I walked up by myself. You see him by himself. Yes, it's very true. And, like, man, like, I mean Oh my shit My G You know what I'm saying

Like my G Gunplay Gunplay That's funny I look over and see the homie Cause I was just about to Say some gangster shit Gunplay

He gave you the energy He gave you the energy I don't have the complex I don't have the fear You know what I'm saying You know what I mean Like because I did the take in

When I was out there Right You know what I'm saying Right Look real quick I mean? Like, because I did the take in when I was out there. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Look, real quick, though. Real quick. I mean, just because CeeLo's here, I just want to say this on the energy of Andre. Andre don't owe it to us, but we would appreciate if Andre comes back to the table.

We all would, man. And give us the music. We all would, because we all fans, too. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, but there's no pressure, man. No pressure. How hard it would be to get a Dungeon Family album done with every member of the Dungeon Family right now? Did I go too far?

No. No. Because I felt like if I were asked this to RZA, RZA would start sweating. Right. Just being honest. No, man. That's easy. It's really a whole lot easier. I was just about to say the same thing. access to RZA RZA will start sweating alright just being honest no man like that's easier

it's really it's a whole lot easier I was just about to say to record yeah man and that's the conversation we've been having cause like

the energy like you know it's in the room now like the motherfuckers is feeling a certain kind of way like man we could do this shit

this is Stingonia Studios we're gonna be at it's easier yeah I mean like anyway I think we should actually do something more, you know, inventive. Kanye route and go to... Go somewhere.

Where did Kanye at? The nigga in Yugoslavia, right? No, you can come to Miami and record a crazy good studio. I'll do it. Kanye at? Biz, man. We used to go to Circle House. No, but come down south.

Even more south. Where you at? Wyoming. Wyoming. That shit would mind me a jail, that name. Like, Wyoming, I immediately feel like I'm locked up. You'd be like, wow. Yeah, for real.

I feel like I'm locked up. Hold on, let's continue. Don't stop, don't stop, don't stop. Well, with that interruption, thanks for that, buddy. All right. What up, big homie? This is the thing. So what I wanted to ask is,

did you foresee when you was with Nars Barkley? Well, not even foresee. After you did Nars Barkley and then Run the Jewels came about, did you see the connection? Yeah, definitely.

Definitely. Black kid, you know, even though... But you think it was that simple? Racially wise? No, I mean, like, them niggas is dope. You know what I'm saying?

You feel me? And you can't pretend the effect. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? You know what I mean? Like, you know, the reciprocation was there. You know what I mean? So it was just official. You know what I'm saying? And I thought it was there. You know what I mean? So,

it was just official. You know what I'm saying? And I thought it was dope. If I could be any kind of inspiration to somebody like that and just, so they could, you know,

create a path too. It's about blazing trails. You know what I mean? You know, so I can dig that. You know what I'm saying? I feel like all of that is for culture

to just show what we're capable of. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? Will we ever see of. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? Will we ever see a C-Lo lyrical album, just lyrics, just rhyming? Man, I'd be tripping. I think a lot. You feel me?

And I think that maybe if I set down a focus, yeah, I probably could. And I know that I should, because it would be dope. You know what I mean? Because once I actually commit to it, and it's the space I'm in, that's when you realize you can go further than that. It's like, okay, shit, what the fuck I was waiting on in the first place? You know what I'm saying? But I don't know. I don't know if motherfuckers give a fuck. You know what I'm saying?

Besides your ass. Yeah, that's a whole thing. You're waiting for that shit. Hell yeah. That gunplay gives a fuck. You know what I'm saying? Besides your ass though. Yeah, that's a whole thing to give a fuck. You waiting for that shit? Hell yeah! Yeah! Give that gun play against the fucker! Yeah, yeah, yeah! I've been trying to catch y'all on tour.

This is to the motherfucking career of CeeLo Green, and we also got our brother joining the show, motherfucking Gun Play right now. And we will also welcome the motherfucking legend, CeeLo motherfucking! Hey! I'm on the orange See ya little motherfuckin' Man, bro, you down? Can somebody get the yeah? Yeah! Can somebody get the yeah? Can somebody?

Somebody get it? Sorry to change the subject to like a... From the yeah? I'm sour, homie. But you were on Victory Lap with Nipsey Hussle. Yeah. Man. That shit, it hit homeussle. Yeah. Man. Wow. Yeah.

That shit, it hit home for me. Right. For all of us. For everybody. Yeah. First off, did you know Nipsey prior to recording with him? Yeah. Okay.

You was on the album. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you said, Victim of Light. Yeah. And the only one of my kind on that record he came far he traveled to come get me

so it meant a lot it was really significant in that way and of course the untimely passing it just iconicizes this particular project so much more it'll live forever now

because of the circumstance surrounding it. And I get a chance to be, it's bittersweet, but I get a chance to be a part of that legacy. It's going to live forever. And so will I in the association. So it's fucked up.

You know what I mean? Because I was like, God damn. I thought about that. I thought about just, you know, who else I do with Offset record too. You know what I'm saying? It was like I got a chance to be a part of some really relevant shit right now. So it was just like an honor, man, to rock with the homie that way.

Now Gunplay, you too, because you've all heard rumors of Nipsey coming very, very, very close to signing to MMG. And so I'm sure you being one of Ross' right-hand man, I'm sure you had a lot of encounters with him. So how did you take that?

First, I want to start with me and the big homie was just rap or rapping about like um do this this generation appreciate his art and and they there you go you know what i'm saying nipsey like he's like the the cloth or the screeak, you know what I'm saying? Like for real, for real. And as you can see, he reached out to the big homie. And the record that he did with Ross, the first one. Tears of Joy?

Tears of Joy already. It was like, and then the second one, Smile. I can't play it with anybody else in the car. Because I don't want them with anybody else in the car So I'm just I'm just humble to even be in this situation right here. You know what I'm saying? First off. And second of all, I didn't really interact with, I didn't see him. You know how I be, bro. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? I really be real turf. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't really get to bump into him on the industry sets like that, like that. But I already know just by watching his interviews, listening to his music, I already knew he was grounded. He was what we need to follow. He was a

leader. You know what I'm saying? And that's what, you know, and I took stuff out of his music when I did listen to it. You know what I'm saying? And that was key. You know what I mean? Yeah. We're going to all say God bless and rest in peace.

But moving on to a positive note, you know what I'm saying? We want, like, you know, the ring champs is about praising the artists while they're alive. And again, I want to reiterate, you know, I'm so glad that, you know, Gunplay pulled up because I know he's going to help us with this. Right. We want you to know that you're appreciated now.

You know what I'm saying? Big time. Everything that you did, you know what I'm saying? And then you are a legend. You are a living legend. You're a living legend. You're humble, but we'll brag for you. No problem.

No problem. No problem. Look, never mind the South. You are a living legend for us and in all of hip-hop. No, no, but the South on top living legend for us and listen to the intro to outro to everything y'all drop jewels before the jewels was supposed to even be picked up talk that shit up

niggas ain't even know they was supposed to pick up jewels and it was hilarious like yo like the the everything

from the first single from you know I'm saying peeping in my window and it's happening now let me let me it's happening now

let me just ask because you know the Illuminati and conspiracy theories they always say that who's that peeking in my window was about some other shit that we didn't know about. No, it's happening now. The gate's going to come out. Keep our ass in.

Like, listen. Can you explain that? What was that record about? Let me tell you the whole story. It's dope. Please. Alright, so look. Now this is

one of my all-time favorites. Okay. MCs of all time. Who just said recently in his post that you were his favorite MC. This is Busta Rhymes. Oh.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, big up Busta. Right? Love Busta. One of my all-time favorites. But anyway, the story goes we're in bud. It's one of my all-time favorites, right? But anyway, the story goes, we're in Atlanta. It's now Stankonia, but it was Boss Town then. OutKast bought Bobby Brown's studio.

It was Bobby Brown's first. It was called Boss Town. Is there cocaine all over? I'm sure there is. Yeah! It was snowing. It was snowing. It went on.

It went on. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Bobby's my nigga. It's snowing! It was snowing! I'm sorry. Bobby's my nigga. Bobby Boucher over there. Alright. They buy the studio.

I'm fucking the story up. No, we was at DARP. We was at DARP. Dallas Austin Studio. Not so much cocaine in there. There, alright. Not so much cocaine there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of bandanas around there. All this cocaine and I don't see a line yet. That's fucking the food shaker.

Come on, man. Bring that quick, man. I know I should have came, man. We love you. I told you a long time ago, Tony. So check it out. Bust a rock. Bust a rock.

Bust a rock. Bust a rock. Bust a rock. Bust a rock. Bust a rock. Bust a rock. Bust a rock. Bust a rock.

Bust a rock. Bust a rock. Bust, man. I told you a long time ago, Tony. Okay, now, now. So check it out. Busta Rhymes gave us... Busta Rhymes came in our session. He said, brothers, you know, like, for me, what y'all work,

blah, blah, blah. What did he say? He was like, y'all brothers are doing some good things. I want to pass off a bit of information to y'all. There was this book

called Behold the Pale Horse. Oh, get the fuck out of here. I read that book in jail. I read that in jail. Cooper. Come on, Bill. Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper.

That's right. Yes, sir. Waywalk. Buster Rhymes gave us Waywalk. Waywalk. Get the fuck out of here. Buster Rhymes gave it to the dungeon. So Big Rude

Who was our resident You know what I'm saying You know Guru Yeah you know His guru Signature of information Exactly

He read the book first This book is what It's 300 pages or better Yeah So we had to take his time He read the book You know we all Was living at the dungeon

Like you know what I mean Like it's crazy at the time So basically Long story short That book got around everybody read it Wow everybody read behold it fell that makes like good he was a child on the whole number yeah and then yeah niggas in the studio hi the snap we've seen somebody That was that analogy though. That was that analogy though. That was everything in a nutshell. Nah, he was gnawing people.

He was like, what do you mean? That was another way to say it, like Big Brother's watching. Yeah, man. That was all. 19-5 shit. Let me interject one more little quick little whoop-de-whoop. My nigga, my old girl, right? She was being like hella hip then,

and she gave me the Sunday National Law, some book, whatever, whatever, and it ultimately led me to the Bill Cooper book, the White Horse book. So my nigga like When they was saying that My old girl was preaching That same shit to me

And I was like Oh Oi Hey This shit makes sense And my nigga It's going on now I'm just saying

You know what I'm saying You know Everything It's all about Putting like Yo Shit right there on the table Like for real

For real They was talking that shit before niggas even knew his perspective you know what I'm saying that's why

it's truly a testament it's an accomplishment to still be here man and talking about it right now because

you know we was blacklisted out of the gate we came with the information right out the gate almost like we didn't plan to make one dollar in this video.

That's true, that's true. Crazy. Right on the line, right off the top, wham. And let me just tell you something, let me just be honest with you. You almost like, bear with me, at the OJ level, meaning, like some people don't look at OJ like black.

Like you made it to certain levels. No. Where certain people would just look at you like, you're just C-Lo. That's true. Are we doing wrong? No. I'm just saying.

That makes sense. No, I'm just saying. I'm being honest. No, no, no, no, you look at C-Lo. No, you know if you know no, no. But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is if me, you, and CeeLo right now walk down the street The white people's gonna save us up to him We know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know we know This nigga from jail into Jannars Barkley. Conversation. Jannars Barkley!

This nigga from jail into Jannars Barkley! That's a big time thing. He said Jannars Barkley. I said J with a G. I'm sorry. Jannars Barkley? In my mind, in my name, it was G-postrophe. Hey, shit be real out here, bro. Look how y'all caught me, man.

Hold up. Oh, shit. Look how y'all caught me, man. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me.

Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me. Look how y'all caught me, man. Hold up. Where? Where? Where? Where? Where?

Where? Look how y'all caught me. Where? Where? Look how y'all caught me, man. Where? Where? Where?

Where? Where? In the middle of some shit. Where? Where? Where? Where? In the middle of some shit, I'm like,

where y'all at? Or I'm gonna come up here, all right, cool, that's what it is. Where? I'm dead ass on finish, bro. So I thank y'all, man. That's real, man. You know what we call that?

Hip hop, nigga. You know what's barking? For real, man. You know what? Again, because I know Gunplay is going to co-sign this. OEF is going to co-sign this. We just want to say how much we appreciate you,

you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. For, you know, digging in the dirt and breaking boundaries in a lot of ways. Everyone.

Us seeing you guys and Goody Mob and Outkast and, you know, taking different ways,

that's one of the reasons why I mess with a person like Pharrell. Sure. Was just to jump outside the box. And at the time, too, Swiss Beats as well. A lot of people did... Like, he was just working with Rough Riders and that was it. And I just wanted to do something different.

You discovered Pharrell, bro. I mean, you can say that. You know, I was like... Oh, God. I'm trying to be I'm a humble guy Yes I love it It's essentially

Being attributed to you Yeah I love it I love it You know what You know I got nothing but love For the guy And

I love our history together But you know And that's the thing is You know I want to make it more About you Sir Like you know

It's Gustavo I'm good I keep hitting the mic right I'm good Alright so sorry hitting the mic, right? I'm good? All right, so sorry. Everybody got their own paths. Yeah. It don't matter what's what.

Everybody, we can all come up together. It don't matter. We'll rise here, but some will go this way. Some will go to film. Some will go to TV. Some will go to this. Some will go to producing. Some will go to crack.

Some will go to do. Some house. Whatever the fuck. But everybody got their own joint like you know what i'm saying like everybody so nobody should be like oh that nigga nah what's your path like what what did you create for yourself what destiny did you see for yourself that you made reality you know what i'm saying this was his reality like yo look look i'm gonna be a i'm gonna be a street nigga i'm gonna be i'm gonna be, but I'm finna go ahead and finagle the bagel with these food wops and just go get where I got to go.

And I'm finna make the best music possible that could pull that shit about you that sticks to your ribs. You feel me? And then boom, at the same time, hey, you know what I'm saying? Be you. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. I'm watching Fresh Prince of Bel-Air watch it. I watch the video But they still now yeah, I'm saying? Just if I have to! If I have to!

I'm not trying to do that! Ain't no problem with that! But if I have to! But if I have to! No, I thought you said, that's a great saying that says, there's a thin line between being pro-black and being professional. Ayy! Woo!

Ayy! That's it! That's it! That's it! Yo, so, I'm not saying that I'm a fan! I'm a fan! I'm a fan! I'm a fan! I'm a fan! That's it!

That's it! Yo, so, you know. And then you can just, you know. No, no, no, no, no, no. And listen, at this point. Please, please. Nigga, like, come on, bro. Yo, CNN, the whole situation, bro.

No, no, let's keep it, let's keep it, let's keep it, see it, though. Let's keep it, see it, though. All of us, though. All of us. My first song I ever had on the mixtape was him. Him. DJ Kidd, him.

I'm just letting you know the history book I had. No, no, no, it's all right. We got music we ain't never put out. Exactly, bro. Here's the ultimate accomplishment. You see how naturally it was for me to say how much I appreciate you. And the thing about it, I appreciate you and vice versa.

The thing about it, that's what we've got to do for our community. The thing is, we've got to preach that. We can preach so much other, yo, fuck this bitch and smoke this hell. But why not say, yo, man, my man is a great guy. I'm going to tell him now. Yeah, no doubt. You know what I'm saying? Like when John Singleton just passed away, God bless his dad.

God bless his dad. God bless his dad. We actually had footage of us giving him his flowers right there saying, yo. You know what I'm saying? So that was a beautiful moment for me because I didn't do it for that moment expecting him to pass away. But the thing about it is, that's what we got to, we got to

think of our communities way more than these, you know what I'm saying? Because you go to Nebraska, you know I'm saying because you go to Nebraska you go to Milwaukee or you go to Dusseldorf Germany and they'll be throwing roses at your feet well we need your roses should be at your feet whatever in America as well yes sir you understand say I hate when I go to Europe and they appreciate me more I hate when I go to Europe mother the doors open at nine o'clock and they got the whole shit

packed at six. Can I tell you this? Yes, sir. I don't know if it's just because I'm just the only celebrity standing there at that moment or if it's really

something to do with me, but I got so much love, bro. That's why, like, you know, even when you was talking earlier about me pulling up and it's something just on my own, it's like, I don't got nothing but love i swear to god man over 25

years of professional career i have not had no problem and i'm everywhere you know something like i just been so blessed and covered and fortunate because that's what you give out yeah man you don't give out that i give out that fuck I don't give out that. Fuck nigga, what's up? Don't give out that. That's what it dog. What happened was. No, for real. It's inside you, my nigga. Whatever's inside you, my nigga, you

put out, my nigga, because if I'm around a hundred robbers, my nigga, I'm finna put out that same energy. Whatever happens to you, happens to you. If you give out that, what's up, brother? I'm just, internally, I'm just blessed to be alive. Hey, what's up, brother?

And you show love, but it comes back to you. It comes back to you. No, for real, I figured this shit out. I dead ass figured it out. I'll still be hustling, but I figured it out. Stop hustling. Let's keep figuring it out. No, listen.

Let's go, Jeff. That's his energy, bro. I can't play that smile song, bro. Nobody can be in the whip. I have to be riding along for a long stretch. I particularly love Miami. I love Miami. I always have my entire life.

Right, that's what's up. So I got a chance to stand with the kings here, man, whether it be Trick, Rick, you feel me? They called on me, man. I stood with the best of them. You know what I mean? So I'm solid on that. Nah, boy, let me just tell you, man. Again, in hip-hop,

we just want to reiterate that we have to start continuing to big up our legends. We've got to tell you right now in your face, in front of Queen's face, in front of the homies' face, that how much you appreciate it, how much of a part of your life

affects all of us. Yes, for sure. Like, I kid you not, like, when I said, yo, we got C-Lo, everybody was like, yo, shit, who's that?

P.H.L.M. When? Dude. They ain't right. They ain't right. They wanted to come up and they pulled up, look at this gorgeous,

you know what I'm saying? Just come here to salute you because that's what, that's what I saw my crew and my crew I don't want to tell you you were great when you not here But they tell you you great right now, so when we finish this every one of these things gonna want to picture you I made everybody already Did I not? And you know Your energy is

Your humbleness That is a gift That is a blessing There's so many people that are Your stature that is idiots And assholes and hate they fans And hate the people And it's something that I notice about you

always is you're always humble you're always down to earth you always talk to whoever want to talk to you and that's a beautiful thing

we want to salute that my brother thank you y'all continue to pray for me you know and protect me. You know what I'm saying?

Yes, of course. Put your prayers and your thoughts and your well wishes, man. Like, because I do have to move around a certain kind of way and I want to survive. You know what I'm saying? Right.

Y'all niggas keep me alive when you see me. Nah, nah, nah. You know what I'm saying? Nah, one man can say this. In case anyone has never told you this before in your life, I want to thank you for everything you did for hip-hop,

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