Drink Champs - Episode 187 w/ Irv Gotti

Episode Date: November 29, 2019

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today's episode The Champs chop it up with legendary record executive, C.E.O. and co-founder of Murder Inc., Irv Gotti. A fellow DC Alumni, we welcome back Irv Gotti as he shares classic hip-hop stories, of his personal hip-hop journey.Irv takes us on a ride through hip-hop history as he shares stories of working with a young JAY Z, being introduced to the Ruff Ryders, working with Ja Rule and forming the group "Murder Inc.", a super group composed of Ja Rule, DMX & JAY Z.As Irv expresses his displeasure, with the disconnection in hip-hop between the young and older generation, Irv Gotti and The Champs discuss establishing a hip-hop union. And Irv shares the story of how a hip-hop union was almost created between J.Prince, Suge Knight and himself.An episode filled with lots of hip-hop history and gems from an icon in the game, Irv Gotti also shares his vision behind his hit television show "Tales" and much more!Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreagaBoost Mobile: Visit BoostMobile.com or your nearest retailer for offer details.BlueChew: Get your first shipment free at BlueChew.com with promo code CHAMPS, just pay $5 shipping.MyBookie: This week only, MyBookie will match your bet at MyBookie.ag with promo code DRINKCHAMPS.--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And this is Militain with Crazy War, Crazy Goods Militain! Drink Champs! Thanks a lot! What the fuck? This guest right here is one of our most controversial guests I mean, when he came here, he turned up. We still got PTSD from his episode.

People were talking about it. I was so high. He played the game. He played the game. He did exactly what he wanted to do. I didn't think he was going to return. Not only did he return, he returned with one of my good friends, Ja Rule's son is in here, Senna.

I believe that's his name, right? Young Senna. And what's your son's name right here? This is JJ. He's JJ. We're going to do it on a drink test. Right now, we got one of the top producers in the world. One of the dudes that is a trendsetter, a CEO, a mouth foot.

Look at the fuck on that shit. Let's get to it. And now he's producing and directing On BET The shit called Tales Phenomenal, it's amazing You don't know who we talking about We talking about Earth

Earth Let's get to it Earth It's a dream chance I got some A's for you Because I felt like it's a celebration today. It is a celebration. You know what I'm saying?

It is always a celebration. I got some ace for you because... And you know, this is our brother. This is our... Who owns this. I'm a billionaire. I paid for this, though. I'm going to throw that out there.

Sometimes you can't get it all for free. Listen, we got it. We got it. We can support. So, Irv. I'm on that watermelon syrup. You're on that watermelon... I like that.

We drinking our own shit. We are drinking our own shit. So, Irv, y'm on that watermelon syrup. You're on that watermelon. I like that. We drinking our own shit. Yeah, drinking our own shit. So, Irv, y'all love the culture, yo. Do you still have hopes of a Murder, Inc. album? And when I say Murder, Inc. album, you know I meant the original Murder, Inc. that I first ever heard Murder, Inc. was J...

X and J. X and J. No, I... How about a record? Listen, a record can happen. A record, yeah. A record maybe, but, you know, I tried really hard for two years.

Two times, I mean. After the second time, I just gave... I was like, it's not happening. And I just gave up. Y'all talking about the Murder, Inc.? Yeah, the group... Once upon a time... I got the dabs. I got the dabs that used to been talking about the Murder, Inc. Yeah, the group of them. Once upon a time. I got the dats.

I got the dats that used to be leaked to the mixtape DJs. Once upon a time. They say Murder, Inc. Yeah. Murder, Inc. That's J, John. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was J, DMX, and John.

Listen, let me tell you. Okay. Tell us, Irv. Let's go. I felt like a weird person. I met Jay-Z in 87. Me and Jazz, we had the same management production.

I was with this MC Romeo and Jazz was with this guy. With Josh Productions. Let me see, before Mike Geronimo? Lee, fix his mic. Before Mike Geronimo. Before Mike Geronimo, right? So I didn't know.

They paired us together. They wanted this fucking nigga from Marcy named Jazz to be the Fresh Prince. Just to show you how stupid the fucking industry is. Two niggas from Marcy and they said, you're going to be the Fresh Prince. And Will Smith. You talking about Jazz though? Yeah, that's Hawaiian Sophie. Hawaiian Sophie is the Fresh Prince. Oh, I about Jazz O? Yeah, that's Hawaiian Sophie. Hawaiian Sophie

is Fresh Prince. Oh, I never got that. No, Jazz. I never got that they was trying to do Hawaiian Sophie, the Fresh Prince rap.

Yeah, they was doing Fresh Prince. They was... A parody? Fresh Prince just... No, it wasn't a parody. Fresh Prince won a Grammy. He was the hottest rapper.

They took them and said do that kind of music that's what I'm saying they wanted them to be that right I didn't know that that's 100% so we in London

I'm gonna be the DJ and Jazz was the hype man Jay-Z was the hype man but really it was crazy cause they had us over there Jazz was in the studio working all day

and me and Ho was running around London fucking with the bitches god damn it god damn it we were running around london fucking with the bitches and we developed a bond right and that's when jay became our brother that was in like 87 yeah man yeah so me and jay is over 30 years, so now we get back. We're doing a tour. Here's a fun fact. Okay. It's jazz.

It was all on EMI. So it's jazz, the UMCs, remember them? And fucking main sauce. How did Irv Gotti learn how to make beats? The extra P. He used to have the room, hook up the turntable, the fucking... He's a thing

and he have his SB-12 and a 950 and I was in this shit just... I'm going to fucking learn this shit. No! Remember Slick Rick? It's a Boy. It was called It's a Boy. It was a remix. Boom, boom. Doom, doom, doom, doom.

Doom, doom, doom, doom. Ding, ding, ding, ding. I watched that nigga do that shit in front of my face. I said, I got it. I fucking got it. That's how they do it.

I got it. Right? So that's a fun fact. That's how I learned how to make beats. Right. Because I watched Large Professor.

That's crazy. Was the young Nas up on that tour? Nas was nowhere to be found. I didn't see Nas. Oh, this is 87. Yeah, I'm making search line professor.

Yeah, I'm bugging. I didn't see Nas then. But here's a fun fact. Okay. There's a guy called Chad Elliott, Dr. Zeus. He was my roommate

on this fucking promo tour. That's the beat guy, right? The beat guy. But he was working with Jodeci. So Dr. Zeus, Chad Elliott goes, yo,

you like that all that hip hop? You know, because I'm hip hop. Like, I can't help it. I love hip hop. And he identified it. He said, you should fuck with these guys

up in Yonkers named Rough Riders. I hadn't heard of them yet. No. So he said, when we get off the tour, I'm going to plug you with Y and this rapper nigga named DM yet No So he said When we get off the tour I'ma plug you with Y and this rapper

Nigga named DMX Alright So he does that I go up to fucking Yonkers To meet them Uh huh And the first time I met X He was in a fucked up project

I don't know if it was called Slow Burn or Alright Whatever them projects That they called But they was more fucked up Like Like

When I went up there It was different from Like Left Frack or whatever. It was like, it felt like a country project. Right, like a totally different place. Like, they're fucked up. That's how Yonkers, yeah. And you stay here, niggas, and don't move. Right.

So all of the windows was broken, the doors ripped off the hinges. So I'm outside waiting, and this nigga X sticks his head out of one of the broken windows, which was, I was like yo nigga if you move you gonna cut yourself

so I'm sitting there waiting and you just see X what up dog I'll be out in a second I'm like yeah what the fuck is going on and this is glass he could cut himself

easily you know what I'm saying and I met him and why and they bought me an MPC 60 and was like you know produce

they bought it for youPC-60 and was like, you know, produce. They bought it for you? Yeah. Here's a fun fact. When they bought it, I had no idea how to use it. So when they came and drove the Queens, I was like, yo, I don't have the wires. I don't know. I got to get some wires. So it was like, all right, we'll come through tomorrow.

I hit jazz. Yo, how the fuck you do shit on the NBC60? Because I knew you knew how to work it. How do you sample? How do you fucking make a beat? How do you do this? So that night, that nigga on the phone was on the phone for like 20 minutes and taught me how to do it. And word is born, my first beat was fucking Litty.

Prince. If I was your girlfriend. Goddamn. Goddamn. I took the make the music with the mouth biz. You know, there's... Those drums with... I want that beat right now, nigga.

Nigga, it was lit. My first beat ever. Ever. The shit was dope. But going back to the murder rink, I try and tell people, like, it wasn't even... Like, that album wasn't even business.

As he mentioned it it and you see I'm like cause I'm depressed right cause these three niggas is ill I'm telling y'all right now

these three niggas is ill and just on the vibe they was on it would it had no choice but to be the

illest album because these three niggas would have been going at each other and they would have been going at each other. And they would have been in that, imagine in that studio, in that Swiss beat, so that Gotti,

that beat is in this flamey, you know. Jay would be over there going, because he don't write, right? So he's on, X would be at the fucking shit, animated at the board. Jai's over there

because Jai stopped writing once he picked up the shit. He picked it up from Hove. And Jai would be over there and trust me, they would have been spitting the best bars of their lives. I thought Jai was going through it one night. One night I was in the studio with him, he just kept going like this. Yeah, it's interesting.

What the fuck are you doing? It's interesting to see. I realize he's right around. No, but listen. He didn't tell me that. My first experience was Jay, It's Time to Build, the Mike Geronimo record. And Jay's pissed off because I'm letting X, who done his verse already,

he's like, and this was my whole life for the next like five, seven years. Yo, you want X to close? And at that point in hip hop, whoever closed was the guy. Yeah, you want X to close? And at that point in hip hop, whoever closed was the guy. So I'm like, I like his energy. Pail a nigga's caps like oranges.

Hit him in the head with two performances. I'm a grimy nigga somewhat like my bitch is cruddy. You know what I'm saying? This nigga's, I said, yo, I like his energy on it. J, yo, stop the music. You think he's better than me? Do y'all realize what I dealt with with these three niggas? Yo, stop.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Do you think he's better than me? This is J. And then J shitted on him. When you listen to his time to build, fuck what the next nigga done mean to him. I'm like this, but that's when I first seen the no writing.

I kept handing him a pen and a pad, and this nigga's like in his, you know. If you ever see Do It, Jay, he looks fucking crazy. It says Biggie was the one who did it first, right? That's the one who originally did it? Well, they did it and they found out they did it together that they don't, neither wrote. You know what I'm saying?

But fucking, when you see Jay, if you ever seen it, he looks crazy. You know what I'm saying? So he's over there, his eyes, and he's just whispering. And I'm like, yo, I keep hearing this. In Word to Mother, he finished that verse in like five minutes. He said, yo, I'm ready. I said, what? I'm still holding the pen and pad like a fucking idiot, right?

So I'm like, he's like, no, no, I'm ready. Turn on the booth. Fuck what the next nigga done mean. That group was legit though? Murder Inc. as a group? It was my thought. And the name came before the rest of Murder Inc.? The name came at the same time that the label came. Oh, okay.

But I was like, you know, the whole Murder, Inc. concept was Contract Hitman, Albert Anastasia. That's where it came from. So I thought it was dope because in music we aspire to be Hitman. Okay. So I was like, yo, I'm going to name the label and this group is going to be fucking murder rank. The Hitmen. These niggas is the Hitmen, right? But they never was like truly on board. Well, one was never truly on board.

Jack. Respectable. I mean, at the end of the day for me, it's just me making a record with like three of my brothers. It wasn't even about business or whatever i didn't care but i personally knew these niggas is gonna go in the studio and they're gonna compete right because they're all super competitive which is gonna make the illest records all me and swiss gotta do is provide that soundtrack maybe get a primo joint or whatever like that and just let niggas go.

It would have been limited hooks. We probably would have made two big radio records because they could do that too. You understand? It would have been the album like that would be. It would have been, I felt, it would have been like an immortal album.

Now, let me bounce it all over the place. Recently, we've seen a spark spark a little Speculation of this growing up hip-hop and they got this this scene which I did not know that it was involving you guys kids Yeah, I didn't know that so it so you guys are outside a club and it's they're not outside of class Oh, it's not outside the club. Yeah, don't believe if okay cool He's the king of lies. Okay. The devil is the king of lies.

Okay, all right. Never believe that guy. Right? So we were shooting growing up hip-hop. And I begged these guys. No drama. Yeah. Right.

It's about my children. It's about our children. Right. And I begged these guys, don't do it. It's growing up hip-hop, not loving hip-hop, you're trying to say. A hundred percent. Okay. I didn't sign up for this.

Guys, I'm rich. I got, you know, I'm not a billionaire. Let's make some money. Let's make some money for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm just saying it because it's just the brutal honesty. So I'm not a reality show person. I don't need this check. It's really

a small check too. The reality check is a small check. I mean, based on checks that I received, it's a small check. So I begged these guys before this, don't do this with us. And I said, don't do this because we're not reality people. We're going to react

real. What were they doing though what was it for people what happened what happened was they had us center performed everything great then jive jumped on the stage did down ass bitch charlie baltimore like it was just a great event the minute we got off stage they had some chick i don't know her name i don't know who she is and she starts shitting on Charlie. Yeah, that's what I heard happened. Yeah, they said she didn't shit on Murder, Inc. that I reacted crazy. But I'm like, you ain't going to shit on Charlie if I'm here.

And you ain't going to say Murder, Inc. while you shitting like, oh, Charlie didn't murder the Inc. with Irv Gotti. Oh, in a rhyme? Yeah, she went on stage and shitted like that. So all I heard was Sienna, which is Charlie's daughter. Okay. She almost started to cry like, they're shitting on my mom and they're talking about y'all.

I'm active. So this is like for the show, though? It's not for the show. I'm talking about Shorty was doing it for the show. Yes. So I immediately, I'm looking for, I'm looking for to see what's up. And she had a bunch of dudes.

Then they had the camera. Yeah, I don't care about the dudes. You know what I'm saying? The camera. So in the camera, I pushed the camera out of my face. Like, the fuck that? So as soon as I did that, security hit me up. So when security hit me up, I'm looking at these guys like, I'm going to bury you.

Like, fuck around, right? And it's so. Like, I'm... Fuck around, right? And it's so funny in a bad way, but good, right? Because it's so funny about us because when Ja sees them touching me, Ja gets active. Get the fuck off Gotti. They get off me,

now they touch Ja. Yo, you better get the fuck off Ja. Like, with me, I'm going to go harder for other people. With me, I'll let it slide or whatever. But if you fuck with Rule, you better bury me because I'm going to come at you

with everything that I have, right? And then, which is also like a good thing, but it's bad too. My youngest, JJ, is getting active. Him and Sonny is getting active like they ready to fight. To which if you, JJ, is getting active. Him and Sonny is getting active like they're ready to fight. To which if you touch JJ, my life is over.

Like, no more drink chance. I'm going to jail. Go directly to jail. Like, imagine security punched JJ in the face. I'm going to try and kill him, his family. I'm going to, like, my life is over. You know what I'm going to try and kill him, his family. I'm going to, like, my life is over. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I was trying to explain when it was all said and done.

And, you know, I told I didn't want to be a part of the show. Because that's what the big headlines was, Irv quits. Yeah, yeah. I didn't want to be a part of the show. But, you know, I calmed down. They talked to me and everything. They understood where I was coming from. I'm like, I don't want to risk my

life for growing up hip-hop. I got 10 projects. I'm going to make that Supreme Team movie. It's going to come alive. I'm doing tales. I'm doing other genres I'm about to do in tales. I'm about to do my Murder Ring doc, my Murder Ring TV series with Live Nation.

All of this shit, nigga, I'm about to walk into, like, $100, $200 million. You know what I'm saying? So, BJ, who we all love. Of course. Call me today. Right. Probably to say, don't have young Malcolm say some crazy shit. Yeah, exactly.

Like, we're trusting you, you know what I mean? He's going to get there. He's going to get drunk. And he's going to say some shit. Protect my man. Right? So BJ was like, he was just like, why are we even doing that? Right.

But JJ wanted to do it, to be quite honest. He wanted to do it. And I did it for my boy. You know, he's getting his little money and shit. He's liking. Going to get the walkthrough money. Yeah, he got his room. Like, he first got a room.

He was Instagramming his room and shit. I'm likej your room is bullshit you know he's like he's like just totally defeated him right because i'm like yo you got a regular room senator did the same shit he got in his room's like yo this is my room but then like young niggas you know what i'm saying so it's like with young niggas it's like that's a moment for him this is my room no sharing it I got a balcony you understand I'm on the 15th floor and I got my own room and shit I'm like

JJ you acting like it was a presidential suit let him live it's his experience it was good so once I explained that to growing up hip hop I spoke to my man Josh Sapin and I spoke to my man Dattari and Tara. We had a great conversation. So they're not going to show that, though.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And it was like, we didn't we didn't want to do that because I was I was living because imagine you felt set up to a certain. It was set up. It wasn't felt. It was not by the show by producers oh yeah yeah because they and and imagine this you know what pissed me off the most because i'm a man of respect i'm like a different kind of dude that has morals and respect and words mean something to me that's how i came up with all of the niggas that was around me

they was on some yo that's a verbal contract You have to be a man of your word. You get into problems. If you're not, you know what I'm saying? This is my DNA. Wait, what was the verbal contract? I fucking told them, don't do that.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. So when they did it, that's why I was so livid. I really wanted to hurt them, hurt people, because I'm like, oh, oh, so you don't respect me. Right, right. I'm like, oh, so you don't respect me.

Right, right. I'm like, and Rule has a Napoleon complex. Right. Rule's going to fuck one of his security up. And he's like, oh, you think, and that's when you see him taking his shit off. But I'm like, Rule, like our kids is here. So in all honesty, I was telling JJ and them,

get the fuck out of here. So if we do get active, all good. I don't want to get active with my boy. But my boy, like, again, it was nice to see, but he wasn't leaving my side. And he's like, nah, if you go, I'm going. Like him and Sonny was like, if you go, we going. Period. And that was the first instant?

There hasn't been something like that prior to that? No, no. no no on the show they had some bullshit with Angie they was doing with my daughter no with my daughter Angie

and they had some bullshit where like they was trying to set up some drama with her and one of the other cast members and that's when I yeah and that's when

I checked them I said don't do that I said don't do that I'm gonna react different I'm not a reality guy. Like, I'm a nigga. You know what I'm saying?

That's your kids. That's a kid. Yeah, and it's my children and if y'all, like my kids is like the best kids. They're not going to

beef with nobody. But that's, 100% million percent correct but once you make them famous and you put them on the famous, they're subject to be chastised and be critiqued like all of us are.

Yeah, but that's different. That's like idiot social media shit. I can deal with that. You know what I'm saying? What I'm talking about is they're never going to be on a show and disrespect somebody, come out of their mouth,

or they're not that, they're not them type of people. So if that happens, y'all perpetuated that and y'all made that. The setup. You're mad at the setup. It was the setup.

A hundred percent. A hundred percent. What kind of watch is that, man? Hublot. Hublot? Okay, got that, man. You make me forget. I'm looking at it.

I'm like, is that an AP? I'm doing good, yo. Is that an AP? I'm not going to lie. I knew it was something official. I'm not going to lie. I knew it was something official. I'm not going to lie. Leo called me the other day.

I might be doing some shit with him and everything. But Leo called me the other day. He said, so how you doing? I said, Leo. And I sat there. I sat and I thought about it for like 30 seconds. I wanted to give him a real good answer. I said, I'm doing really well.

I said, I'm doing really well. You know what I'm saying? I said, I'm doing really well. And like, it's crazy. My son, the reason why I did, I wanted to break, like he's developing a show. You know what I'm saying? That's based on his life.

That's like he's developing. You know what I'm saying? He's writing it. He created it. But I got to take a little co-pro, right? Because he came to me with the idea and I'm like,

yo, this shit is dope. It's called The Melting Pot. Right? So it's basically about hip-hop culture in young America. Which this is going to transcend the other fucking conversation

we had. So it's about young America and like how hip-hop, black, white, Asian, Latino. The common glue is the music. and like how hip hop, black, white, Asian, Latino, the common glue is the music. Right, right. You could, you know, you grew up,

I eat rice and beans all day. Or yo, I grew up, you know, this is our culture. We don't do this. And I grew up Muslim and we do this. But the common denominator is hip hop. Yeah. Like me and Pharrell, we have nothing in common other than music. Music. And it brings everyone, this-hop culture has brought everyone together the world

the world so his show that he created is is is based on that but he wanted to easy out so he was like we was gonna he thought of it but he said you know let's get it to a writer to execute it and i said fuck you i said fuck you you write it. And I said, fuck you. I said, fuck you. You write it. I said, you write it. You're going to direct it. It's going to be your show.

And he's 20 years old, you know what I'm saying? But it's going to be his show, and I thought that would be live. You know what I'm saying? That's dope. Yeah, I thought that would be live. Now, now, I do not like the segregation. Why do you got to use that word? The segregation in hip hop.

Okay. With the young and the old. We are all together, man. Very true. Absolutely. Let's talk about hip hop for one second. Yeah, I'm in. Right? I'm in.

Started by a bunch of niggas in the Bronx in the 70s, right? The early 70s. And how dope, like, if you think music business, right? Yep. You got to have a talent. Right, yep. You got to play an instrument. You got to be able to sing.

You got to be able to do something. Get shit together. Look at hip hop. I'm in the Guinness Book of World Records from the year 2002 to 2003. I held the number one record for like as a producer for like 40 of the 52 weeks. Let me give you the records.

Foolish, I'm Real, Always on Time, Ain't It Funny, and fucking What's Love. Like Billboard, if you look at the charts right there, I'd have like in the top 10, six records.

It was fucking obnoxious. I was on fuego, right? Fucking super fuego. I can't play an instrument the first. So hip-hop was created on theft. I'm going to take your shit. That record sounds good. Sample that shit.

Like, come on, man. We made a culture. Niggas. The minorities. We made this culture and fucking Hov's a billionaire. Dre's a billionaire. Diddy's a billionaire. Kanye

a fucking billionaire. Come on, man. I don't like the segregation. I don't like it. You know what I'm saying? The old hip-hop. The new hip-hop. Yo, we like our old shit. You know, we we illmatic niggas you know i'm saying i got a little baby album right but like the young generation is xxx and like that but we should all be together we could like one music a different era of music more than

the other yeah but i i love the young niggas shit it It's not that, Gotti. It's not that. I got to interrupt you. I think the younger dudes think that we're corny. No. I'm just being honest. The younger dudes think that we're corny because we don't fuck with them. And we don't think they could spit. Or we don't think they... It's just a division.

It is. And you, Mr. Fucking Drink Champs. It is. You can help fuck with them. I fuck with them. fit or we don't think they it's just a division and you miss the fucking drink champs you could help fuck with them i'll fuck with them baby see i'll come up on the show little baby word i got a little baby yo you fuck with our generation yeah yeah no the thing about it is you keep in our generation when you when keeping our generation alive When you're saying Interview wise I don't I can't speak to a person

Who doesn't have 10 years or more In this game Why? Because I'm not a journalist It doesn't matter I'm not that great I'm not that great No I interview

Motherfuckers that I know It's like Put it like this It's got to be legends It's got to be legendary shit For this platform This platform Cause this is my

This is my job And I have to do it The way that I feel efficient No Norris You are a gatekeeper Of the culture With fucking drink chants I cannot

And you are not Representing The fucking 30 and under crowd Yeah Listen I can't And I'm speaking for him Irv Gotti

I'm speaking for you young niggas. I fuck with y'all. Yeah, but the thing about- You understand? You need- Irv, Irv, Irv, but say, what platform is catering to the 30 and older crowd in their world? This is hip hop culture, yo. But what?

Just answer that. Yeah, but yeah. Like, yo, for real, for real, I'm not regular with hip hop. Like, I love fucking hip hop, nigga. We can't deny the ages of it. It's made me a multi-millionaire. It's made my family good. I love the culture.

I do not like the segregation. And there's none of it here. Yes, it is! At all! What the fuck you mean? You don't have the young generation. We do have them! Young generation, because everyone's watching you, nigga.

You get millions of views. Young nigga generation. They're probably like, yo, he ain't fucking with us. So who's putting on Money Mel? Who's putting Grandmaster Cass? Exactly. Who's putting Grandmaster Flash? We're there for them.

Who's helping them out? That's who we're giving the all to. We still fucking fuck with them. I don't know. I'm saying the fucking... What YouTube read or what platform or what Pandora? Y'all do it. Apple Music.

I'm talking about Dream Champs. Yes, and we're trying to do that So I'm chance anyone cool hurt dream Okay, we don't change. We don't want cool new new new butterfly. Listen to what that nigga that nigga got drink champs is the epitome of Journalism for the culture. It is not. But thank you for the compliment. We're not journalists. What the fuck do you mean? We're not journalists. Whatever. What the fuck ever you want to call me.

What the fuck? How do you do that? Yo. Take them all. Don't do that. Fuck that horn. I'm making a point. And I'm being serious.

Okay, okay. You guys are gatekeepers of the culture. I disagree. You cannot rep... I disagree. Absolutely, yo. I disagree with you. Come on, Nori.

What you built with Drink Champs is something to look at and be like, holy shit. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. But you're like, yo, you got to hold down the whole culture, nigga. You can't hold down half. Yeah, but... No, no, no.

That's not true. Let me break it down to you. When we looked at this, this is how we came up with the idea. We said, yo, there's no platform that caters. I get it 100%. There's no platform that caters to an older murder agent. You know what I'm saying? No, I get it 100%.

There's no platform. Listen, I get it. Why do you have 10 years in this game? They kick you out, Ernie. I get it. You know what I'm saying? Did you think Drink Chance was going to be as big as this guy? No, we didn't think at all.

I don't know. Three deals? Can we talk about that? In a minute. In a minute. Can we talk about that trifecta? I don't know. I've seen that.

I'm like, how's this nigga? He's having some good conversations. Get everyone to be like, sure, I'll give you it, and I'll be down for this portion. Yeah. Okay. Here's a check. Yeah, but what it is is they know the show, it speaks to the culture. Absolutely. And you know what?

Because there is some young legends out there. No, no, Whisper Leeper is a legend, man. There's a lot of legends. Kendrick and like J. Cole. J. Cole. No, because, Whistler is a legend, man. There's a lot of legends. Kendrick and like J. Cole. J. Cole. No, because they're on, they go with our generation as well as the young generation. But they're this generation. No, but wait.

This is the thing. This is the way we said we wanted to bring in the young generation. With the cosign. With the OG that's rocking with them. We'll do it all day long. Just bring him, man. That guy, Baby, I like that nigga.

He's tall. He doesn't have a father? He doesn't have an uncle? He doesn't have a... Come on. Just come in so we see where the game came from.

Exactly. Like, we need to all understand it. It goes in a generation. Because I think once you do that, your show is going to quadruple also.

Let me just say something. The reason why you don't appreciate it as much as other people appreciate it, because you have a lot of things going on for yourself. Like you said, you're doing very well. I'm doing very well. You're doing very well. But I love hip-hop. But hear me out.

Hear me out. What I'm talking about is my love of hip-hop. Just imagine yourself not doing it. You know how many CEOs had, and they are finished. They're gone. They're working in Walmart. And if you're working in Walmart, and you're sitting around, you want a platform like this to say, you know what? For them days when you were in 1998, you want those years to be saluted.

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I thought about this the other day. You could co-sign it or you could refute it. That era of Def Jam with Lior, Kevin Lyles, Todd Moskowitz, Mike Kaiser, Julie Greenwald, Randy Acker, Gabby Peluso, Rob Love,

Rob Love, Rob Love, I was doing the street team shit at that time. Chris Lighty, Chris Lighty, Sam Cresco, like that building, it was nothing like that building.

That was a crazy era. Do you realize like how dope that was? Yeah. Can I remember? That's what a label was supposed to be. Yes. I don't see that no more. It was literally, we wouldn't leave.

You go to a label now, it's like a school bell, the three o'clock. Yeah, you're trying to do the spell shit. They're bouncing. We used to be in that office literally one o'clock in the morning. We used to do some of our finest work and have a thing playing Monopoly, shooting dice, some nigga shit, or whatever. But it's still 10 people in the office. We playing music. Me and Kize, we

still have some of our best ideas and get some work done at midnight. Yo, call that motherfucker. We're going to do this and this is how you say this and then I'll call him tomorrow and I'm going to say this and he'll play the record. You understand? At midnight. It was like niggas didn't want to go home. Yeah, I Right Like it was It was like

Niggas didn't want to go home Yeah I didn't either It was a lot of Intro office fucking too By the way God damn it God damn it Listen

Listen The key to a Successful company What makes a nigga Come to work More The fastest he's gonna Come to work

Oh my god Oh my god He got some pussy up at work. You know what I'm saying? And hey, this is in no me too. She wanted to fuck too. She was coming to work early too. There was a lot of closed

doors in Def Jam. Don't open that door, nigga. You're going to see something that, you know what I'm saying? You don't want a motherfucker to see. You know what I'm saying? We used to call this a few Def Jam babies and shit. Oh, shit. Oh, Jesus. I think I always say the wrong shit.

I hope we don't do it again. But you know, it's not no me, it wasn't no me too shit or whatever like that. It was mutual shit. You know, everyone wanted,

they liked each other. You seem like you get nervous about this me too movie. Shouldn't we be? Keep saying movement. Shouldn't we be? He keeps saying it. Shouldn't we be? No, but I'm not nervous like with it for me.

Because you're a man of power, right? Yeah, but I never... The Me Too shit is like when you listen to the Harvey Weinstein stories, like, he's a borderline weirdo. I ain't gonna... From my whole...

Beginning of my whole career, like, in Penalty, it used to be a chick who used to always harass me. I did not know I could have Me Too'd her. I did not know that. Like,

I used to walk around and smack my ass and be like, oh shit, I thought it was just no shit. You should have pressed charges. I should have pressed charges,

bro. I'm thinking about suing Neil Levine right now. He's my friend. Neil Levine touched your ass? No, because, no,

because she worked with Neil Levine. He was supposed to provide a safe environment for me. Yeah, for real. I'm not playing, even though I'm playing about the Philippines. Listen, put some young niggas on this, man. Put some young niggas on this. Yeah, just try it, man.

Let's do one episode. You bring them. You want me bringing young niggas in here? You know what I'm saying? Let me ask you something. If you know a wine has to be aged for 30 years and this wine is going to be

exactly what it is, would you want to change that format to a one year? No, you are... Then we got to relax her. No, but listen to me. We got to relax her. No, listen.

You've created with Drink Champ something that is pushing culture forward. Yeah, no, and we have to push forward. Why are you going to exclude? It's not exclusion. It's not exclusion because we can come up with a show.

Let the Lil Nas X nigga come up here. No, no, no. Let that nigga come up here. I don't have enough material to ask him. No, no, but listen, listen. But you're acting like we want to exclude it just for the point. Yeah, I do.

Now, listen, listen. No. You don't think there's something there where they can listen to us? Exactly. Like, unadulterated and just hear our stories? I'm not saying for y'all to stop what y'all doing. What you guys created is the shit. It takes 30 years to make this line.

Listen, I'm giving y'all kudos. I'm telling you, Drink Champs is the forum to come on. Here's another top one. Yo, make sure you get a close-up. Close-up of the shot. You're not a Tiger Bowl, baby. You're not a Tiger Bowl. But am I right?

Yes, no, you're all right. There's been no, like, dare I say, like, when Arsenio, he was our platform. That was dope. Damn, Herb, you're giving us Arsenio.

Yeah, we getting Arsenio? Our finger's got to get long. Remember that nigga had a long finger. No, Herb. You're giving us Arsenio. Remember that nigga had a long finger. But listen. But this is a platform because Arsenio... Arsenio let niggas get on the couch. Don't you dare give me a Haitian shot.

Arsenio let niggas get on the couch. So this is Arsenio minus the performance. Which this is Arsenio minus the performance. Yeah, right. Which maybe you should think about. No, but right now I'm doing... Just make this a stage, let him perform a record. I'm doing a spinoff of my full show

and I'm working on... It's another show you got. And yeah, but this is what the new... Another network. What I want to do is... Come on, come on, come on, Irv. I got to sneak attack this one, man. Come on, I got to sneak attack this one.

Damn slam dunk this one right now. How is Nori doing this? No, you got to have good relationships. But damn, you made me lose my train of thought. I think Smoke Champs could be that move as well. Smoke Champs could be that too. But my new show, what I want to do... Smoke Champs.

What I want to do is actually put... We locked that down already. Put a competition. Like a lot of people compare French Montana to being a new Nori. You know what I'm saying? So it would be like me against French. Like a lot of people, this is not me. Like I don't see it at all.

But people say French is like a version of me. Right? Whatever. Whatever. Right? So we would go and it would be me against French. I can't say what it is. You know what I mean? But that's what it would be me against French Now I can't say what it is You know what I mean But

That's what it would be So I'll mix I'll mix the young generation Cause I fuck with them Like I said I listen to I live in the South Beach I mean I don't live in South Beach

I hang out in South Beach Where you You not They're not playing nines in the club They're not gonna play Home in that club They're gonna play The young

Biggie Chanel When you told me You called it Drip your heart And I'm thinking I'm there They're going to play. Biggie Chanel. Drip Joe Harden. And that nigga out there. That sounds like a lot of stuff. You have a humongous platform.

Right. Yo, embrace the whole culture. And we do. And we do. Let me say this. For all my young niggas, let me give you my evaluation. What the fuck was they going to say after After our generation Have you ever thought about that What

Like You got Grandmaster Fledman The first generation Right And it's like when you heard Suck MC's It was different Yeah

Right They took it up a notch Yep Then from like that era You heard like You could tell He had cocaine in that Yeah

But I'm just going through the eras. Then you went to NWA. Then you get to, wait a minute, after that you went to NWA and then the East Coast you went to Rakim. Yep.

Big Daddy Kane. Public Enemy. So they start saying more. They was taking it more. Then from there, we went to Nas. Yeah. Evolution of Hip Hop.

We went to Nas, Hov, Pac, Big. Alright, so after that, evolution of hip hop we went to Nas Hov Pac Big alright so after that what the fuck is left for a rapper

to say Old Town Road nigga no but no let's be honest I am that's exactly where we went with it

no wait a minute wait a minute that's extreme that's aggressive that's aggressive but but think Wait a minute, wait a minute. That's extreme. That's aggressive. But,

look at the new generation. Everything that we did, they just flipped it and did different. We like long chains with the medallions hanging next to our nuts, nigga. Look at me. They got me out here looking like Migos with my short chains right now. I'm falling victim to it.

No, listen. That's still us, but it's an older us. Yeah, definitely. Right? They're chokers. Oh, yeah. We was baggy jeans. They went tight as a motherfucker.

So they just went opposite because I feel what could they do? That's true. Hold on. As a hip-hop connoisseur, was someone going to say a better verse than, They never take me alive. I'm getting high with my 4'5". Cocked on these niggas. Time to die. Even as a youngster. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I did BET. The guy Lamar Hill. He said Tupac was overrated. Oh, wow. I spit the last verse of Tupac was overrated. Oh, wow. I spit the last verse of Pain. He was trying to say hello to me. I wasn't shaking. I was just spitting the verse.

And he was looking at me going crazy. And I'm like, nigga, that nigga ain't overrated. That nigga's a goat. He personifies everything in hip hop. And you said he's overrated. I see these young dudes not give J.Day props, not give Nas day props. That's fine, though. I see them like-

Now, but this is what I want to say real quick before you keep going. Before, prior to internet, hip hop was through a funnel that was filtered through hip hop, so to say. Curated through hip hop. Yeah. And then it became a worldwide sensation. 80% of the music streamed is hip hop. and then it became a worldwide sensation 80 percent of the music streamed is hip-hop and then it changes the demographic it changes who's curating it it

changes a lot of things it always changes and that's the difference you know what i learned about hip-hop the minute you think you know hip-hop you don't know shit it shows you you don't know shit hip-hop is like the best thing ever that ever happened we agree in America of course and hip-hop is like you really don't understand it or I'm bugging

and it's the biggest culture export but nigga you gotta embrace everybody I couldn't look at Dickie Old Town hip-hop is at it's biggest form

is at it's biggest hype on their watch on whose watch these young niggas but hip-hop right now is at its biggest hype on their watch. On whose watch? These young niggas. But, hip hop right now is the number one genre. But curated by who?

Listen, I'm not, you can't say on their watch if it's curated by someone that's not from the culture. No, I'm not saying that Melly Mel gets credit.

The evolution, we all get credit to the point where it's at now. But I'm not going to say these young niggas ain't dope. No, that doesn't say that. No one's saying that. Have them on the show. That don't got nothing to do with it. What the hell?

Have them on the show. We're going to have them on the show. I know some dope psychiatrists. I ain't letting them on here. Have them on the show. Listen, man. I'm telling you, man. If I was a letting them on here. How do you want to show? Listen, man. I'm telling you, man. If I was a young rapper. Once a month, Irv Gotti presents.

Okay, what are you going to do? If I was a young rapper, I wouldn't like you. Listen, listen. What are you going to do? Hold on. Once a month, we're going to say Irv Gotti. If you talk Drake Chance, I don't fuck with that nigga, Norm. He don't fuck with me.

He ain't fucking with our generation. And you know what I'll be like? I don't like that. You know what I'll be like? You right, little nigga? You right, nigga. You right, little nigga. You right.

Yo, you right. Listen, I go to they concerts. I stay in the back. Not my show. I stay in old nigga mode, bro. I go to the... Like, I went to O.T. Genesis show. You're wrong. I didn't even tell him I was in the building. I'm telling you nigga mold, bro. I go to the... Like, I went to OT Genesis show. You're wrong.

I didn't even tell him I was in the building. Yeah, I'm telling you. I'm in. I'm going to the... No, you're my brother. Yes. You're wrong.

No, I'm right. You're wrong. You're just doing so well in life. No, I am a representation of hip hop. You got blinds on me. If I was... Listen, if I was broke

or if I had 100 million, I'm saying the same thing because this is what I feel for the culture. And what I'm saying is this can't be a true. But you know what you're doing? You're going to Jay-Z and saying, yo, this Ace, I'm not sure about this. He's doing pretty fine with the Ace, Irv. First of all, I know.

He's doing pretty fine. This shit $500 in the store. Listen, yeah. How am I going to go to this nigga and tell this nigga to change up the format? Come on, I got you with that one. No, you don't. This isn't the hip-hop culture. It's brought to you by the hip-hop culture,

but this is fucking champagne. No, we're talking about the fucking culture. It's not sexy? Yeah, it's sexy. You don't want to change this, Ernie. You don't want to change this, Irv. Irv, you want to change this?

When Jay did his shit with Meek and he said, you know, we don't shine shoes anymore. I loved it to the thing, right? Let me tell you something. But when you go to the ocean, you know why the waves is going this way?

Where the fuck are we going with this right now? It's perfectly... It's fucking hot. You can't go to the ocean and say, I wish the ocean went the other way hot. You can't go to the ocean and say, I wish the ocean went the other way. You just can't do it, Irv.

It's not a proper analogy. We need to dial in another motherfucker right now. No, listen. I'm just trying to get you hyped. Come on, let's take this on the track. Oh shit, we got shots. Motherfucking Irv Gotti. And then they gonna mix it with the fucking Ace to completely have me wasted.

That was a great idea. He had a great idea. He said I'm going to make drink champs. They're terrible. And what better way to get niggas out of their pocket? That's getting fucked up. So when I said, hey, did you fuck her in her ass? You know I did.

These fucking niggas drunk. The other guy that does that and is good and he mind fucks the people when he gives the interviews, that car karaoke. Right. Yeah, he gets them. Car karaoke.

Who's the guy? The British dude, right? He's brilliant. Because he gets them in the car, they're singing tunes, they think they forget, and he says, did you fuck that guy?

Yeah he throws some shit he throws some some love shit at them he throws some love shit and they answer it because they're fucking having a good time they're just jamming

okay yeah let's do it let's do it I said Jay I want to nominate my brother Jay Z to be the president of the hip-hop culture. Yes, I do. I would give him my money every month.

There's no better. No, he don't need no money. We need a union. We need to unionize. We need to be out here unionized. That's another conversation. We've been saying this for real. Me, Sjog and Prince. No, no, you guys been on that shit. No, that's We've been saying this for real Me Me, Suga, and Prince

That was No no you guys Been on that shit No that's exactly What we was on Yeah We wanted to bring They got you some heat

Like Kool Herc Kool Herc Kool Herc If Kool Herc gets sick right now You don't think You don't think that hip hop Owes it to Kool Herc Of course it does

And take his We wouldn't be here right now If it wasn't for them That's what I think I feel like we should unionize And Hov is a person that I would trust paying union dues.

Hobe should put together the first union in music. Not even just the thing because we're the only business that it doesn't have it. Right. It could be a union.

It could be like SAG. I think SAG makes more sense. Yeah, rap, we don't got shit. Listen, we was... We don't even got ditto. Niggas is out here living fat. We like boxers, rap, we don't got shit. Listen, we was... We don't even got ditto. Niggas is out here living fast. We, we, we, we like boxers.

Yeah, but... We out here living like boxers, man. Here's how we wanted to do it. You know, for real, think about it. Boxers, they don't get nothing. Here's how we wanted to do our yo-yo. Which, in hindsight... Yeah, I ain't going to lie. Niggas wouldn't have trusted y'all three.

I'm not going to, I'm going to just throw that out there. That's a little gaudy. Y'all three, it just did not seem like, like... It was going to get on some good and I'm just coming in. I just got to be honest with you. And I agree with you. What was it, you, J Prince, and who?

Sure. I'm not giving y'all anything. No, but you know what? If anybody comes... Why is it your money? No, no, no. If anybody comes... Let me give you your money.

And you tell me if it would have worked. I'll take it. Now, around this time, around this time, if you signed a deal, you know, you did well, you renegotiated, maybe you get a million dollars

for your thing. Right. What we were saying and what we was going to say, now this is good shit. I'm listening. What we were saying is the label will pay.

That's hard. For the policy. I'm just saying. If you're giving Nori a million dollars, give him a million one. And here, the label, now recoup a million one. But we're going to take that 100,000, so you got your million, but we're going to take that hundred thousand so you

got your million and we're going to put it to your medical your dental your annuity you're absolutely right it's a good plan those three names no extortion you said it I perfectly

believe you you know it's a crazy shit? I perfectly believe you. But that shit sounds like it's so shit. We would meet in L.A. like at the Lama Tide. L.A. Reid? No.

L.A. Reid. And people would see us talking together and I swear to God, I'm like... Papa Rossi wasn't invented back then. No. They would have been like, Black Mafia.

No. It was so... Let me tell you something because we was going to be on some get down later like yo you got to join the union but when it's not

your money get down lay down so I was like yo I was like me and my team we got the east coast J Prince and them got the south

Shook said I got the west coast J Prince said I got everywhere else nigga seems very British my Coast. J Prince said, I got everywhere else, nigga. Seems very British. My brother to J Prince.

Hard for J Prince. Hard for J Prince. My brother. He's a legend. He's a legend. I think it's about Canada and everywhere else. He said up and down the middle, all over the place.

He said, you got the East, Gotti? I said, I think I can get the East. Me and my team will get the East. You know what I'm saying? I was going to come at niggas on a good perspective. You know what I'm saying? I was going to come at niggas on a good perspective.

You know what I'm saying? On a real good perspective. Right. And just try and get them that way. Right. If they didn't go down, maybe they shows, one show gets shot up.

Right. You know what I'm saying? But fucking then, Chuck was like, I got the weather, but my nigga Prince said, I got everywhere else. Let's go.

But in hindsight, it was good because imagine if it would have worked in hundreds of millions of dollars in this union. Wow. Us niggas would have fucked that up. I ain't going to lie. I would have had to be getting down with y'all niggas. Like, listen, I'm getting down. I need a piece of that. I need to be.

I'm going to be the accountant for that money, all that bread that's coming. By the way, we started the Dream Champs Union we just started right now yeah we did right now our guy is a part of it but when you think about it it is a good we need that

of course it's crazy that we don't have that if you were to do that same deal with Lior it is a good deal and Kevin Liles I would be like oh okay I'm down

but the fact it was Shug and Jay I don't know, that two Carmel and you in the middle? I'm not going to lie. Listen. I still think it was good.

Listen, I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie. Shug might be one of the smartest people in this business. And you think super gangster, man. The problem with Shug is Shug is And you think he's super gangster, man. Like, what do you think, the Cavs weren't gangsters? The problem with Suge is Suge is a gangster and he wants to be a gangster. Right.

And he don't give a fuck. This is who he is. Right. Like, he's on some shit like that. But I can tell you from me, I've learned ridiculous shit from this nigga. Ha, ha, ha. Like, ridiculous, business-minded business minded no gangster just pure smarts

I used to be like where are you getting that's how to get it he was like and Shook came up through the ranks like he didn't start on top

he was like a bodyguard I'm going to be honest with you though Jimmy opened the world to him like put him on the game like the business side of it and how to

get it and how to get it and how to ask for it. Like, a lot of times, I've seen Jimmy just walking around by himself in Malibu. I said, I need to be that rich. Yeah, but you're talking about Jimmy, I think, for a year.

Hold on, but you know, Suge, who talks about everyone and don't give a fuck, you never really heard Suge talk about Jimmy in, like, a negative light. No. So that goes to show

Jimmy got that back. Even when Jimmy was cutting them fucking shots. He was on both sides of things a lot of times. He had ninjas come see you at night.

He told me some shit I don't know if we could use but I want to tell y'all since we all in here drunk taking these shots. No one listens to us anyway, guys. Right.

But you know, I was hearing, watch this. Remember when Jimmy was just like overpaying everybody, producers in the industry? He had every producer, which was so brilliant of him to do.

In a scope time? Yeah. Yes. I was told. It was like, yo, when we sold five million Tupac albums, we may have sold another million under the table. Pure cash. That's drug dealing.

Now, here. You're an artist. When you came out with an album during that time, Pure cash That's drug dealing Not here You're an artist When you came out with an album during that time You would have like a certain amount of free goods That they would ship To people for people in the industry To listen to the album No they used to order

A million free goods and then Like Out the trunk of the car shit And get cash million free goods and then like out the trunk of the car shit and get cash. They were servicing. Word? He said, nigga, we had a war chest.

A war chest of cash. I love Jimmy Iovine. Jimmy Iovine, to me, is by far the best executive that the music business has ever fucking seen. Like, he's just a brilliant motherfucker. You know what I'm saying?

Brilliant, brilliant. And Lior's brilliant too. But Lior's brilliant in a different way. Like, Jimmy's brilliant because his roots as an engineer and a producer. So how does a producer, a great producer,

how they think? A great producer knows the value of the artist. I don't give a fuck how my beat, how dope my beat is. Right. If you ain't going to light it up as an artist, what's that beat? It's just a hot beat with nothing. Right?

So, Jimmy understood the value of the relationship that it was a partnership. Leo's upbringing is that of a manager. Now, a manager's upbringing is that of, you may look down and not really value the artist. This nigga's an idiot. I manage this nigga. I know firsthand he's a fucking moron. Which is most artists, right?

So his respect and opinion of people was different. I can manipulate and play you. You know, you ever see this shit? He says, in like things, he was doing an interview on me. He says, Gotti took it. If it was up to me, I'd have that nigga working for 60,000. He didn't say nigga. He didn't say nigga. Nigga would never say nigga.

He would never say nigga. But basically, it was a bossed up thing. He was like, Gotti took this shit. In front of Def Jam. In front of the thing. In his Cadillac. His old school. And he was this bossy motherfucker, which I loved. And he was like, God, he took this shit in front of the thing, in his Cadillac, his old school, and he was this bossy motherfucker, which I loved

and he was like, yo, God, he took it. Every great man takes it. Did Corey Rooney ever hit you about the Tommy Mottola thing? Remember when you came on here and you said that Tommy Mottola called you a nigga? He didn't call me a nigga. He called Corey a nigga. Oh, he called Corey a nigga. A fat nigga.

Damn, he was big. I seen Corey Rooney and I'm proud of him. I don't lie. He, he called Corey a nigga. A fat nigga. Yeah, yeah. Damn, he was big. Yeah, I seen Corey Rooney. I don't lie. He didn't say it to Corey. He said it to me. Oh, okay, yeah. He was on the phone. I was on three pills.

What pills are these? A Cadillac? Ecstasy. He was doing my ecstasy years. It's a horrible story. Yeah. Because it involves J-Lo, who at the time...

We don't have to repeat it if you don't want to. Listen, she's like my best friend. She was like... At the time. At the time. I still hate squash. It's squash,

but she'll never trust me. You know what I'm saying? And rightfully so. I don't see no picture of you and J-Lo looking for it. I mean, she... A new one.

Listen, she... I can't say nothing. I fucked up. Yeah, you said that. That's a real nigga of you. Yeah, I fucked up. Yeah, you said that. That's a real nigga of you. Yeah, I fucked up. Like, come on, man. She called.

She said, Irv, I'm doing the cover of Elle magazine. I need some, like, they're going to call you for quotes. And I threw her under the bus. But Tommy has a little to play with, but I can't blame Tommy. You know what I'm saying? What did Corey say? He was like. Tommy would never call me a fat nigga

yeah he didn't he didn't call it to him he said Tommy wanted to come on I was like alright he didn't don't do that don't get Tommy on

yeah if you get Tommy on call me call me on the phone and I'll be like Tommy we don't lie on Drink Champ we didn't drop it

to a champion truth to tell I'll be like Tommy just say you apologize it was a heat of the moment but don't say I'm lying because I'm not I don't lie about nothing

you know what I'm saying that's why DJ says don't come on here you ask me questions this is what happened this is the truth if you had to pick one right now... It's always the J.

No, no, no. Like, you know, tails or being a part of the music business. Oh, music. Music is in me, my nigga. You got to understand, I'm 11 years old. I'm going around the corner. My man Nick Chalmers' house, his father's West Indian mechanic. He had two turntables and a mixer.

It wasn't no 1200s. It was straight on. I used to fucking mix this record called Shangri-La. Right. So here's what Shangri-La does. He goes, and DJs, old niggas, they like, I know that record, because it just had a break. It's like, Shangri-La, paradise is very nice.

And if you could imagine six hours, I'm... Just bringing it back. For six hours. And I was nice. Anyone who's seen me or whatever, if you ask them, they'll be like, DJ, that nigga was retarded. DJ Irv, it was no good. Retarded. When did it go?

My hands was lightning fast. Tricks behind. Yeah, I was one of those. That was one of those. That's why when Steve Stout, when he did your thing, remember he said. Yeah, we went to school together. Right. In second grade.

Listen, me and Steve Stout, same birthday, same year, same date. Wow. Right? But we're like two completely different people. We're the same, but different. Right? So he grew up where I grew up. So when he was on you, he said it.

He was like, you know, Irv is different. He said, well, we was going to high school. This nigga had like 10,000 people in the park listening to him play music. That's me I went in the park at 15 years old tore it up and they said yo show your DJ I don't you make weird jettles my DJ I was grandmaster Vic that's the bitch that's Queens my nigga Vic Queens get the money Y'all some purists Y'all need Vic See

Bring them on That's what I'm talking about guys Now you making up No but I'm saying Do it all We want to do it all But we just saying Include the OG

For the YG. You don't have to. Yes. No, you don't. You know you don't. Let me ask you a question. Be a true and real depiction of the culture. Right now, you're a true and real depiction of our generation and old niggas.

Nothing wrong with that. It's being successful, right? It's being over the top successful. Let me ask you a question. But it's not an accurate depiction of hip-hop culture. Of course it is. Hip-hop culture is vast generations right now. No, it's not.

If you're not including the young generation, you're not fucking giving the accurate depiction. Why is Dominican Lee doing Chinese sign language to me? You understand? If you don't fucking include the young generation, you're not giving the accurate depiction of the whole thing.

We include them, and not only do we include them, we are giving them history. So what? Let them come upon here and talk their shit. But they got every teenager. They got Charlemagne Tha God. They got all these other outlets.

Where's the outlets for the people? Nori, is those outlets you? Those outlets are not you. There's certain things when you go up on a radio station, you're going to tame yourself. We're sitting here. I'm drunk. But real quick.

My throat hurts from inhaling the secondhand blood. My throat hurts. You're not getting that at a radio station My throat would be Fucking fine At hot 97 Or power fucking 105 So look you're working At let's say revolt

Mass appeal or title Right Drink chance never came into the game And Nori and his Cuban friend from Miami With the white beard said we're going to do Chance never came into the game. And Nori and his Cuban friend from Miami with the white beard said, we're going to do a show and kill the game. You're like, I don't like this idea. I'm going to be honest.

I would have been on board, but I don't have a... How do you think you would have been on board? Real talk. I would have believed in this show from the fucking start because Nori is a star. Nori is like a unique nigga. He's been that... He said, fuck the white beard. I'm in fucking star because Nori is a star. Nori is like a unique nigga.

He's been that nigga. So you said, fuck the white beard. I'm into Nori. I wouldn't have said fuck you. I would have been like, it's a great combo. It's a great combo, but I know this guy. And that's why we parted. And here's what else I know with Nori.

Niggas love this nigga. Thank you. Like a nigga say, yo, I don't fuck with Nori. That's the chemistry. Listen, a nigga say, yo, I don't really fuck no... That's the chemistry. Listen, niggas say, yo, I don't really fuck with no... You're like, what? Yeah, you gotta watch him.

What the fuck is wrong with you, man? And if they don't, it's even greater chemistry. This nigga's the coolest. This nigga's the coolest. This nigga's the coolest nigga. And thanks. So that's why I'm like,

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'll listen to you. Who didn't get? It's like an in-hour session. We're not flying these niggas out. Nigga, you didn't fly me. Let's keep it all the way.

We don't fly no niggas. We don't fly cool hardcow. We fly him out. Let's keep it funky. Your niggas ain't spending no money on me. I learned that from him. Yo, fuck you, man. Yo,

your nigga hit me we were supposed to do it earlier. He said, yo, be Nas, be Queens week. I said, yo, I was supposed to be in Miami. I said, plans change. He said, we'll do it another time. Whenever you're around. You know what I mean?

We're at a convenience over here at Drink Shack. Then he put Randy Acker on there. His white slave assassin. His white slave assassin. Don't worry Aki doesn't mind being a white slave He worked for DMX before He was definitely a white slave for DMX Let me pick up the shine papers

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Titles. And titles. How the fuck did they do that? They're going to have it easy. Who's getting the first win? Revolt. Revolt gets the first win. No, no, it's mad complicated.

It's complicated. It's mad complicated. But it's simple. Revolt. It's a menage a trois. It doesn't really work that great. It's always going to be revolt. We don't want to go to HBO.

We don't want to go to Vice. We don't want to. We want to keep it at revolt. We're happy at revolt. We want to keep it cultural. Keep it cultural. And. With no new niggas.

And. But. No, no. You bring. Everybody presents. But let me just tell you something. Hov is out here really living his rap. Because he just licensed.

He don't want to own our shit. Nah, let me tell you something. That works. Let me tell you something about Hov. He's really living his rap. Well, now listen. He don't want to own our shit. Nah, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about Hov. He's really living his raps. Well, now listen. Let me tell you something about Hov. With Tails. Remember, I was the first one to do the deal, and he had the second window.

The uncut, the uncut, bro. And I called him, right? Because I was like, yo, I'm trying to blow this shit up. Go, Gotti. Don't worry about it. Because what I was basically saying is, I can't put it on YouTube. So you had a title deal originally?

Yeah. It would put me on BET, and the uncut version would come on title. And he let me live. And, you know, I speak to Hov. And I can tell you verbatim, he really is about the culture and helping. Yeah. Like, he's really about that life.

Like, he actually texted me. I don't know if I told you. No, you showed me the text. I showed you. I was over it. That's why. He actually texted me and said, yo, because the shit I said, what I said, I want to do business with Pop.

I want to do business with Nas. I want to do business with Hov. Yeah, I know that bullshit you ran. No, no. Come on, that's not bullshit, guys. Yeah, I can forget. Whatever. So when the white devil comes to you and says, I got 100 million, you be like, yo, I really

wanted to fuck with Puff. I really, really wanted to fuck with Puff. But this white devil, he had like an amazing idea. And he comes to checker Pops. But this white devil, he had like an amazing idea. And he cut the check. The wire hit. And once the wire hit, I had an epiphany.

There was one white devil in the mix. I said, yo, this nigga Dory is fucking rich. I'm like, I watch you because I love Dory. So he's one of the niggas that I pay attention to, I follow, and I pay attention.

I said, niggas is buying this nigga? Talking about, I just want to do business with my brothers. I was like, no. Then I was like, and it was crazy because Nas' mass appeal. Yeah, that's right. How great is Nas, though? He's so low, and this nigga's probably sitting on the honey, right? Yes, yes, yes.

So low. Yes. But he gonna disappear from these niggas. If you ain't really in, like... Oh, yeah. You're not catching Nas! You will not be fucking pulling up to Sweet Chick with Nas. That nigga,

once he changed that tax bracket, he's getting more elusive. So when you had him, I was like, damn, he got Nas' elusive right now, right? Then I was like, when you announced the mass appeal, you seem to be genius.

Of course. You know, if we do this deal, why don't we get now? No, but we got. He didn't make his plan. Yeah, we got to get it to Nas. We got to get it to Nas. He was like, oh my God, I can't believe this. When he probably six months in, when he first was starting the deal with Mass Appeal.

That shit was premeditated. Because I'm going to tell you, the reason why I fuck with this nigga is because he's a thinker. So when he was living next to Ja Rule and the shit, and we all think, I used to be like,

you would think this nigga's just a weed head, idiot rapper. And I'm like, wait a minute. This nigga got a brain. Right? This nigga knows what he's doing. So immediately when I see Nas, I'm like, premeditated.

Honestly, we didn't even hit Nas. He hit us, though, right? Keep it real. And real talk. I mean, we could cut this out, but remember when we were talking about the deals, we didn't even think about the entities

that were behind the deals. We all were talking one day and we said, hold up, that's Jay, Nas, and Puff. We didn't realize

that at first. I seen it. No, no, we saw it. I'm a thinker. But there was a lot of things happening. And I really say,

you ever see good fellas when the Latanza heist and he's in the ring and he's like, Jimmy! Nigga, when I see the deal, no! No, Ray! I'm like, nigga, he pulled it off. This nigga got Jay, Puff, and Nas.

Under one umbrella. Hold down the fucking culture, man. That's right. I'm with you on that. No, you're not Not on that other part Every other part But you know what

We got your son here You an artist as well No He's a director He's following my footsteps And a writer And a writer too Jeff's an artist

Young sinner But Yo don't do that man No we gonna We gonna eventually do it When you got a deal like that And you got those three iconic, immortal people. Think about it. You got Rap Radar. Y'all, you're not Rap Radar.

Yeah, but Rap Radar interviews the young guys. Yo, I did Rap Radar. Shout out Elliot. Shout him out. But not shout him out. But it's not Dream Champs. You are an indication and like with this whole interview shit or whatever the fuck you call it,

you are number one in hip hop culture. What you've created is genius. And all I'm saying is... We're going to listen to you. Yo, man. We're going to listen to you. How about that? We're going to listen to you. I'm going to stop arguing with you. Bring everybody in, man. I'm going to listen to you, Yo, man. We're going to listen to you. How about that? We're going to listen to you.

I'm going to stop arguing with you. Bring everybody in, man. I'm going to listen to you, goddamn. Bring everybody in, man. Make some noise for Irv Gotti. Bring everybody in. I do not like this. I don't like it when the young niggas shit on Biggie and Pac.

I don't like that either. So you want to have the conversation is what you're saying. I want us all to just be good and get along. We're all part of the hip-hop culture. We've all helped. We've all helped. You know why? Let me tell you something.

The reason why I be scared to even reach out to the young generation is because when I was young, I was the nigga saying, fuck them old niggas. We wasn't aggressive like these young niggas. No, I wasn't on publicly saying that. You wasn't publicly like these young niggas. No, I wasn't on publicly saying that. You wasn't publicly saying that. I wasn't, nah, nah, nah. Fuck Run DMC. You got public, you got them niggas, man. They played the way.

The young niggas is disrespectful. I understand the attitude. No, I think the difference that I think for Dream Champs is that you have to be understanding what Dream Champs is and be a fan of what Dream Champs does. be a fan of what Dream Champs does. Can I tell you what Dream Champs is? My young cat comes here,

he's like, fuck these dudes. I don't care about them. Why is he saying that? They're sipping on lean. What you mean you don't know? Because of us? Fuck you! Take responsibility!

I'm saying! And I don't even smoke. That's that dialogue collective. Smoke Champs, baby! Smoke Champs, baby! That's that Smoke Champs right there, baby! You about to hit me with the Denzel. You know you like to get wet. Sherm! DCP!

You know what I'm saying? Just gonna hit me with a Jeffery. Every time I come here, every time I come to this motherfucker, I'm like, yo, Nori's hitting my shit with a Jeffree, bro. What's your favorite part of the game? Like your favorite part. Just breaking new artists. Breaking new artists? I don't smoke another that shit.

Wow. Favorite. It's nothing better when I see a new artist and see it happening for them and their dream being materialized. Like I got this artist, his name is Lazer, he's from Vegas. Well, I ain't going to say I got him. Phil Ivey has him. Okay.

His name is Lazer? Yo, don't read. This nigga, listen, listen, listen. Okay, I'm listening. I'm telling you right now, if I'm a part of his project, if me and Phil Ivey work out the deal, there's no way this nigga's not going to be like the hugest nigga. It's like when I heard him, it's like for the first time, I'm like, Drizzy got competition. What do you think about St. John, Big Zara?

I love fucking St. John. He's dope, man. He's dope. I just was with him. Listen, I just was with him. I be giving niggas, They look at me crazy, yo. The young niggas look at me crazy. You know what I told them?

What did you tell them? So I'm with St. John's. I said, Joe, I don't come out, nigga. I came to the listening party because you're like an artist that's dope, and Biggs is my brother. Big up Biggs. Big up fucking Biggs all day. But I said, Joe, kill is kill.

He looked at me and I was like, whenever you want to feature, hip hop is blood sport. Kill that nigga and make sure everyone knows you the one. That nigga looked at me, but I think he could do it. You know what I'm saying? He understood what I was saying. I was like, kill is kill, nigga, and walked away. But that's true. Like with DMX.

He wasn't trying to be cool with you on the record? First of all, I'm going to say something about DMX. If you rap, he don't like you. Any of you rap niggas, X, I met X. He's mad cool. That nigga wants to kill you. Crystal clear. I'm being honest.

And X is like, oh, I got it, don't tell him. But at the end of the day, he's like, fucking tell him, it's real, because he wants to kill you. He wants it to leave no shadow of a doubt that he the one. But that's hip hop culture. When you think of Drake, Drake assassinated every... You know the record... You ever heard the...

You heard the extended version. All of y'all heard the extended version. If I was with Rick Ross... Shout out Rick Ross. That's my nigga. But yo, if I was with Rick Ross, I would've went to Drake and said, you disrespectful motherfucking nigga,

yo. Really? You gonna take the last verse, do the hook, and fucking spit like 50 bars? Fuck you, nigga. I'm erasing it. Ain't no one ever gonna hear that shit, nigga. Because he killed Ross. When you heard his verse, and I'm

pimped from Memphis and everything. Nigga! What? You didn't even give him two fucks about Ross he took that niggas record and killed them but Drake does that little Wayne when he sold that million he was a reign of terror for like a year and a half every record he got, he was making it crystal clear. I'm the one, nigga. Maybe even two years. Maybe even two years.

Two years. I'm the one. He was burning with it. I'm the greatest rapper alive and he was self-promoting it and telling it and screaming it and then backing his words up

and destroying every verse. True. Disrespectful nigga. Like when I heard Ace Hood's like, every day, every day, every day, hustle, hustle. That way Hood, it's like, hustle, hustle. That Wayne verse, I'm like, he don't stop.

Wait, wait. He said, fuck me right, you shopping. I'm like, what? This nigga, his verse was retarded. This nigga's verse was retarded. And I used to, I love Wayne. He used to make me drink scissor every time we see him. And I used to be like Wayne yo this

shit just makes me go to sleep he said fighting got me that's the high drink lean drink lean you drove there was a hazard how many days it just made you tired yeah definitely definitely and every time Wayne sees it, I got you, got it. And this nigga would be mixing the cup. What are you, a fruit punch nigga? Yo, interesting. He was JJ. Him and JJ was like this for like three years. We was vacationing in Jamaica at Half Moon Bay.

Half Moon, right? It's like villas and shit. It's good shit. And of course, Wayne's doing a show in Jamaica, so he's in the villas like down the way. And the villas give you a golf cart. So he would be like, yeah, where's my little nigga? He's talking about JJ. They were probably both...

No, JJ was taller. He was a little taller. He was like nine, but he was a little taller. But JJ used to drive around the the compound and it was so weird And I love Wayne so much for this because they had like they own thing Yeah, and this is when he's at his height and JJ's in like middle school texting with little Wayne, but it was just weird That's hard, that's hard. I make the noise for that. I love liverwurst. You gon' mix it with champagne? Oh yeah, I do this all the time, God. This is what I do.

You a fuckin', you know this show? This show is destroying your liver. So make sure you get paid, especially this week. Cause you gonna have hospital bills behind this show. But you know, I also wake up in that jog in the morning cause I wanna have balance. I wanna have balance. You know what?

And I also drink a gallon of water a day before I have a show. Yo, you better do that shit. God damn it. A gallon of water a day. Because you do that. I do that too. Nigga, the show you created, it's killing your fucking teeth. Yeah, it does.

We only got a couple more years in this shit. We only got a couple more years. We're dying slow. You don't drink as much as shit. Yeah, yeah. Okay. No, he did. Drink Chess started because of the crazy hood style.

Yes, yes. This is a fact. Then drink a Modelo You ready to drink? No I'm not testing your drinking I'm just saying I'm just saying

Nigga you a drink champ I'm going light right now I'm for certain not testing Your drinking abilities You know what I'm saying? I'm a lightweight Do you know I don't drink? We saw that last time

But it was a great episode by the way Great episode Nigga I'm fucked right now. Let me just tell you something. Let me just tell you. I'm fucked. I'm like knees in my system. I don't even know what high I'm feeling.

I don't know if I'm drunk or high. Let me tell you, let me tell you, let me tell you. Like, when we was in artists... I don't really do shit. But when we was in artists, like, Revolt has to approve them most of the time, and it's a whole little process. So once we said, everybody said, yep, I take it. Immediately. Yeah, because I'm going to approve them most of the time and it's a whole little process. So once we say everybody say, yep. Immediately.

Yeah, because I'm going to say some stupid shit. I don't think it's because of that. I'm going to say, no, I'm going to interview you because I know what it is. That's why BJ's scared. You know what I'm saying? If you ask me a real question, I'm going to give you a real answer. Was that BJ last time? Yeah, BJ's my nigga consigliere shit.

I remember him saying stop it y'all say something BJ and he protects me because he knows who I am I'ma say the truth I'm the most truthful nigga

even if it's like with J-Lo I give you that story I'm a fucking idiot with Jay-Z, when I give you that story, I'm a fucking idiot. Right. Like with Jay-Z and I, it's like, yo, I love Jay. But let me ask you something before we go. Like I love Jay. Like we talk all the time and everything. And, you know, he watches Tales and he's like, nigga, you're killing it. This shit is off the fucking charts.

And I'm like, yo, love it. And I text him about the fucking, the shine shoes thing because I thought it was so gangster because when you... We don't shine shoes anymore.

Yeah, but when you know the movie, if you don't respect that, you know it's fucking happening. That's Casino. So when he was like, yeah, you know, we have the clean floors,

he said, right, Joe Pesci. So he was like, you know, we don't shine shoes no more. I took the whole fucking, he's the devil. This nigga is Satan himself. But listen, but fucking, like, I took the context of which he said it.

Like, when he says we don't shine shoes no more, if you don't respect it, nigga, you getting got, you going to fucking, we killing you, nigga. That was what, that's how I took it. Like, when he said it he was being like yeah you know we don't shine shoes no more but Jay is like

four niggas and four like he's over the top with it you ever thought that he does mad shit that we don't know just I'm just putting that out there

like you just knew he lent Wayne money Or he got the lawyer to help Savage He don't do that shit for publicity Like that nigga's really about it That's why I said yo He should be the president of the culture Does it shock you to see where Jay and Dame is at?

Because like you said you knew Jay since 87 That's a tough subject I would like to stay away from him. Well, okay. But I mean, touch on what you can touch on it. I love both parties. Right.

I love both parties. But you know, Jay's a billionaire. So Jay's success is self-explanatory. Okay. Because of money? Look at Biggs. Everybody thought Biggs was...

Big up Biggs. This is definitely a fucking death threat. Something just hit my throat. This could be cocaine, guys. I think Haz rolled it, right? Haz rolled it? We got something like cocaine. I think Haz rolled it, right? Haz rolled it? We got something like cocaine over there. It's something like it.

It's not cocaine. It's cocaine adjacent. It's not. I was playing. Well, go ahead. You said look at Biggs. Yeah, look at Biggs. Biggs is successful.

Yes, yes he is. You know, he did the thing. What's that actor? Johnny Wright? No, that ain't his name oh the shit about the locked up yeah on HBO

HBO it's hard shit he rolling with us listen OG yeah Biggs is Biggs is doing his thing yeah Biggs is part of

Dream Jams yeah he rolling with us yeah he rolling with us I love Biggs I just was with him at St. John's party when I told St. John's kill them all

right but but the question was Jay and Dane I love Biggs. I just was with him at St. John's party when I told St. John's, kill them all, right? But the question was Jay and Dane. I know. My bad. But I love Dane. Right. Like, I truly love Dane.

I came up with Dane. And I don't take it lightly. But, like, here, I'll give you a story. And I don't know if you should use it or not, but I'll give it to you. It's not that bad. I wanted Dame to do a Tales episode. With Direct? Yeah. Oh, that'd be dope.

Yeah. I love doing dope shit for the culture if you didn't know. All right. So what happened that that didn't happen? But Dame, he's different. You know, I told Dame going in, he had OG Daniel. He was on the phone. And I was like, Dame, you got to listen.

You got to work with BET. I'm a boss, but I have a partner. Right. Got to work with BET. And he's working with BET now on the Tina Davis show, right? Right. But here's where it went wrong. Like, he was asking me...

Do you own your master? How much... No, he was asking me, how much to shoot an episode? I said, a million and change. Right. So I'm making a movie. I said, damn,

I don't need a movie from you. And everything you do has to be approved by BET. Right. And I don't need a movie from you. And everything you do has to be approved by BET. And I don't need a movie. I need 40 minutes. With commercials, my hour episode is 40 minutes. He said, oh, I'll cut a 40-minute spot and then make a movie. But I'm like, damn, we're not giving you this money for you to do whatever you want.

You have to work with us. So I was like, yo, you don't need to do it because it was going to be a clusterfuck. What does that mean, clusterfuck? I'm sorry. It's going to not with us. So I was like, yo, you don't need to do it because it was going to be a clusterfuck. What does that mean, clusterfuck? I'm sorry. It's going to not be good. It's not good. A clusterfuck is like,

he's going to want to do things. BET's going to be like, what? Get the fuck out of here. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So this is my second season with BET.

I can't have that. All right. So something that I wanted to do for my man to try and help him or whatever, it got foiled. It made me feel bad because

he stopped following me. He was like, you're a piece of shit, Gotti, and you did this and you did that. And I'm like, nigga, I love you, but you ain't understanding, nigga. This ain't no indie flick. And that's what he's used to. He's used to putting his own money up and being the boss.

It's not like if my episode is a million five for each episode or whatever like that. It doesn't work where you get a million five. I just cut you a million five and you do whatever you want. And I said that on the phone with him. I was like, yo, you got to work with BET. You can't. It's not like that. So when he said, yeah, I'm going to shoot a movie for that money.

And I'm like, yo, I need a 40-minute, hour episode. I'll give you that, and then I'll have the movie. Let me ask you, what was wrong with that? What the fuck you mean what was wrong with that? He don't own this shit, nigga. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He don't own this shit, nigga. You know the TV fucking world.

You know the TV game. No, I'm asking you. If Revolt gives you the lion's share, Revolt is like, that's my shit. You got to answer to Revolt. You got niggas you got to answer to. You just said at the beginning of the show, you was like, yo, with thing, I got to get checked. But if you come with a lame guess, they like, nah, nigga.

That's very true. Okay, so you got to work with these niggas. Yes, yes. Understood. Understood. This guy has no you gotta work with these niggas yes yes understood understood this guy has no comprehension on working with these niggas I'm gonna make a movie

nigga I don't yo let's break it down to the realest shit you're a work for hire right you don't have no power

you're the director here's the script direct this shit if you don't direct it right we're gonna get you the fuck out of here. But Dame don't work like that. He don't work with bosses and being told what to do. So I respectfully said, yo, I can't do it.

You know, his record was paid in full. Oh, Rock M. Airbnb and Rock M. Yes. Wait, wait, wait. I'm talking about the movie. No, no, no, no, no. But he did that too, wait, wait. Why did he? I'm talking about the movie, Payton Fowl. No, no, no, no, no. No.

But he did that too, which is great. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, right? But his song he was doing was Eric being Rakim, paid in full. And I want... Nigga, see? Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Look at everybody. Look at this nigga, want to clap? You know what I'm saying?

Like, you know what I'm saying? Okay, I was with you guys. Woo. And he said, paid in full? Yes, nigga. Dave is a good director. Yes, nigga. Dave was a good director.

And, but he was showing he's not going to work with the system. I'm shooting a movie. That's when I backed off. I said, what? I don't need a movie. I need 40 minutes. You know what he said? I'll give you 40 minutes.

So basically, he's thinking like, I'm going to give you what you want and I'm going to put this movie in theaters or this movie on DD Studios, his streaming channel. DD TV. Big up to DD TV. Big up to DD motherfucking TV. That's right. Big him up.

And I was like, BT, you're going to jam me up, nigga. You're going to jam me up. And I was like, BET, you're going to jam me up, nigga. All right. You're going to jam me up. What the fuck is you bringing this nigga around? He thinking it's his movie? Don't he know it's our money? All right.

He got to do what the fuck we say. So I knew what was going to happen. It was going to be a clusterfuck, a bunch of arguments, a bunch of things. And I'm in my second season. Self-preservation. I got to think of what's best and what I got to do for me. And how is it staying in BET after Stephen Hill left? Because I know Stephen Hill. Connie Orlando

took the torch and lucky for me, I've known Connie for 25 years. She used to be a producer on Hype Williams' video set. She was a production person with Hype Williams. I've known Connie for 25 years. So it's no hitch. It's no 25 years. So it's no hitch.

It's no like... Yes, and it's no hitch because one of my best friends in the game is Bobby Backish. Bobby who? Bobby Backish. Okay. Bobby Backish is the boss of Viacom.

Bobby Backish, by the time this airs, will probably be the boss of CBS, Showtime, and Viacom. And he happens to have, I happen to have a great relationship with Bobby Backish. Bobby, if you're looking at this, I'm drunk. Don't be mad at me. I'm your guy. I got a great relationship with CBS as well.

I started out with CBS. Joe, and like. No, no, no. I was about to ask. Give me a chance. We started out with CBS. With CBS. And then we kept it cultural. We started out with CBS. With CBS. And then we kept it cultural. And then you kept it cultural.

But what I'm saying to you is that I got a great relationship with this guy. What's his name? Bob Backish. I have a great relationship with this guy. That's the Viacom nigga. Me and him have a phenomenal, we believe in each other. He believes in me. Who's the nigga that run Vivendi?

What's that? The niggas that own all the... Vivendi, at first, is some French niggas. Yeah, they own all the water in France? Right. That's hard. How you gonna own all the water in France?

Come on, my man. Come on. What kind of rich shit is that? Yeah, billionaires do billionaire things. You know what I'm saying? They do gangsta shit like that. Right. So, yeah, I know him, and he's a great guy.

And I can see myself doing a lot of dope shit with him. You know what I'm saying? Now, what you got going with Paramount? You on Paramount? You know, Viacom owns Paramount. Damn, I did not know that, Herb. I'm learning. Yeah, exactly.

I am learning today. Viacom owns Nickelodeon, all the music networks. Viacom owns like 12, 13 networks. Just Viacom. And they own Paramount, the movie studio. So I got a movie deal

with Paramount, with Paramount players. Shout out Matt Dines. Shout out Amber Raspberry. Shout out Jim Giannopoulos, who's the boss of Paramount. Who? Bob Backish. Major shout out. He dropping major names right nowoulos, who's the boss of Paramount. Who, Bob Backish,

major shout out. He dropping major names right now. Yeah, he's amazing. And he plugged me with him and was like, Irv is my friend. I think he's brilliant. Let's work with him. So that's how I got my movie deal. In which I'm going to direct and produce. With Leonardo? No, that's Supreme Team, which I'm going to do with Paramount as well.

So we've got a great relationship. I don't want to do anything without Bob. How about that? You know, I told Bob, I said, you know, when I grew up, right? I grew up in Jamaica, Queens, Hollis, Queens, Queens Village, whatever the fuck you want to call it. It was violent. So my mother used to be like, play with your brothers and sisters. I'm the youngest of eight kids.

Eight? Eight. Okay. So they used to be like, play with your brothers and sisters. So I said that to my man, Bob. I was like, Bob, I'm going youngest of eight kids. About eight? Eight. So they used to play with your brothers and sisters. So I said that to my man, Bob. I was like, Bob, I'm going to be honest with you. I fuck with you so heavy. I got love for you. I don't want to do anything without you.

If I make a movie, I want you to profit. If I make TV shit, I want you to profit. Who y'all used to fuck with? Chris Obrego? He looked at me like Chris Obrego's my brother. He runs Indamar Shahn. Indamar Sh I was... Chris Abrego's my brother. He runs Indamar Sean. Okay. Indamar Sean was a production company.

It's not a network. It's not a content provider. They service content providers. So I ain't gonna lie. I don't need nobody anymore. Before I used to need... You know when you first started, yo, I gotta get this big name. I'm the name.

I'm the fucking name. Here's a question I did not ask you before, and I got chastised for it. Shoot. What exactly went wrong with you and Ashanti? I got chastised. I got asked. First of all, I thought we did go through that. No, we didn't.

No, we didn't. Yeah, we did, we didn't. No, we didn't. Yeah, we did. We didn't. First of all, I want to say, Ashanti, Nori just asked me a question, and I'm going to answer it because I'm an IG. But me and Ashanti, it was all love. She was murdering. She was family. And Josh says this a lot.

He gives her an out because... Out meaning? Out meaning, nigga, the feds was on us, nigga. You want this little 21, 22-year-old girl to ride with you or whatever when the feds is on you, nigga? Feds got a 98% conviction rate. I'm quite sure every motherfucker in her ear was like, that nigga going to jail. Start thinking of another way. So, what I

gotta say with that is, it was like me and Ashanti was something I never experienced before. Now, are we talking romantically or are we talking artistically? Everything. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It was something I never experienced before. She looking good now. She looks great. Do you stalk her on the gram a little bit? Absolutely not. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It was something I never experienced before. Rob Markman She looking good now.

Rob Markman She looks great. Rob Markman Do you stalk her on the gram a little bit? Rob Markman Absolutely not. Rob Markman Come on, Gotti. Everybody's going to Shanti P. Rob Markman When I tell you- Rob Markman Every Wednesday. Rob Markman Shanti Wednesday?

Listen, when I tell you- Rob Markman I'll just freestyle. Rob Markman Listen, when I tell you, I don't give a fuck. Rob Markman You don't be seeing the swimsuit pictures though? Come on, Gotti. Rob Markman All right, but I'm going to be honest with you. I fuck outrageously hot young bitches. I don't give a fuck.

Rob Markman I don't give a fuck. Rob Markman I don't give a fuck. Rob Markman I don't give a fuck. Rob Markman I don't give a fuck. Rob Markman I don't give a fuck. Rob Markman I don't give a fuck you don't be seeing the swimsuit pictures though come on God all right but I'm gonna be honest with you I fuck outrageously hot young bitches I died that's just my thing I know young bitches older chicks may be like fuck you got it whatever like that I'm sorry I have no I have no like I may try a 30 year old like whatever, but nigga, if you see my chicks that was my girls, they not nothing to fuck with. So I don't... Shanti is like... Come on, Gotti.

Don't say it. Yeah, nah. She looks great, but I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. I think you should stalk her Instagram for a couple days before you make this decision I think I'm not going to stalk her Instagram because me and her had a real thing I need to hear this

we've never heard this it was a real thing let me tell you something before we continue you know when I said this to BJ I told BJ I said what the fuck she want me to say she want me to lie

like cause she'll get on hand she'll get on hand listen she'll get on hand if you had her on drink champs or whatever she'll probably be like I never fuck with Gotti I'm not gonna do that but I'm gonna give it to you real like me and her

dare I say was in give it to you real. Me and her, dare I say, was in love. What would you call a situation where... But was it complicated because of the CEO thing? Absolutely, it was complicated. What the fuck are you talking about? Real shit is complicated. Nigga, I was still married. To JJ's mom, legally.

But wait a minute, wait a minute. Okay. I've been kicked out. Ashanti was not the demise of me and Deb. Completely, she was not the demise of me and Deb. Me and Deb was finished before that. Okay. I came to a point in my life.

You have a great situation, so you ain't going to understand this. But maybe my other people Sonny Sonny right there I came to a point in my life where I didn't want to lie anymore not Sonny he lied all the time

listen I love Deb and I came to a point where I didn't want to lie anymore so when she kicked me out rightfully so cause she called me fucking. Like mid-act? I had the latch on. What's that?

The thing? You really want all of the dirt. I'm just asking. I'll give you the dirt. I love you, Nori. I'll give you the dirt. I was asking. So I was shooting an I Cry video.

I cry, you cry, we cry together. Shooting it in, what was it, Cherry Hill, like the hood. Right. Which is another topic because they always like to say

Murder Inc. wasn't the realest niggas but we actually was the realest niggas. All our videos were shot in the hoods of the hoods with other niggas

who used to say we saw, nigga, this shit was in studios and shit. Green screen. Green screen. Green screen. You can come into the hood, nigga.

But that's another fucking story, right? So, you know, the story goes, Deb, because she had a driver's license, this is Debbie Lorenzo, she went to the hotel, she got a room key. I shouldn't say this, because all chicks is like,

you could do that? My wife does it all the time. Right. So she came and I had the latch on. So she knew I was in there. I was in there fucking. Tumbleweed.

I can give her a nickname. Y'all don't know what tumbleweed is. With tumbleweed. Is that a stripper name? It's not a stripper name. It's not a stripper name. It's a bad bitch name. I'm in there with tumbleweed and Deb knocking on the door. Has Google tumbleweed real quick.

You're never good. She's knocking on the door. I know you in there. I know you in there. I'm never opening the door. I'm butt ass naked. It's going to be bad.. I'm never opening the door. I'm butt ass naked. I'm never opening the door. Real niggas don't open the door. They're not going to open the door.

It's going to be bad. Yes. Tumbleweed is under the bed. She's scared to death of Deb. Her room is, she's like, she's going to whip my ass. Probably so. Right? So I'm looking through the peephole and now the police is there.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. Because she was making a scene. Okay. So the peephole people, police is there. As soon as the police put their hands on Deb, I opened the door. I said, yo, get the fuck off Deb, yo.

Don't touch her. All right. Bop! Snuffs the living shit out of me. Oh. That didn't give you no props. Now, when that happened, listen, she snuffs the shit out of me. Okay. And what happens is, if y'all know, the people who know, when the police is around and someone assaults them, they're taking them to jail.

Oh, okay. So they took Deb to jail. Me and Preem, me and Kenneth Supreme McGriff, went and got her out. He came with me. That's when he and Preem was funny. This was before TMZ and Instagram. Before TMZ. Me and Prim bailed her out,

got her, she was in jail for like two hours. We get out, and this nigga Prim, he's lightening up the mood, because it's tense. So he's trying, he said, man, I swear to God, if you was back, nigga, you could have held down the block, you damn murder, and she, he, trying, he said, man, I swear to God, if you was back, nigga, you could have held down the block.

You damn murder. And he called her Deb Murder and it just stopped. She was Deb Murder after that. But he was like, you could hold down the block. You could have been my lieutenant. Because you vicious nigga. You know, that's another thing. You know, Prem had love for my family.

He had love for my family he had love for Deb he had love for everybody it's like Prem knew my mother and father and shit

God bless big up to Prem he's been reaching out saying that he wants to do Dream Champs and I would

we would love to make it happen yeah that would be the realest shit ever cause there's a bunch of idiot

niggas that's talking shit that don't really know nothing but let's not talk about it. So what was

the exact thing with Ashanti? It was like the complications of this. We're going back to Ashanti. I got you. Listen, the honesty of it is me and her got together before,

I mean after me and Deb. Deb had kicked me out. So I don't want anyone looking at this to think, like, man, Ashanti was the demise of, no. Right. The demise was I was an asshole. You know what I'm saying? But the beauty of it for everyone that's listening and looking is I'm going to take care of Dev for the rest of her life. Because of a while, it seemed like you were

balancing it great with being the CEO. No. With Ashanti. Being the CEO and being her... Her lover. Yeah. You balanced it.

You balanced it. Her lover. Yeah. But listen. You balanced it great for a long time. I mean, at the end of the day, I was still legally married. So it was complications with that that I understood.

You know what I noticed? And she is like, her and Jai is the staple artists of my shit. Yes. But I could just say, and I hope she's probably going to get mad because I'm talking. Shanti, you know where you asked me. Please leave that in. Yes. But I could just say, and I hope she's probably going to get mad because I'm talking. Ashanti, you know, he asked me. Please leave that in. Okay. I don't want to talk about you. You know what I'm saying? I'm not doing anything.

In a good way. Yeah. Like we was, but if you want to talk about it, we had, it was real. What we had was real. It was real. But I was on the federal, I'm quite sure if you were in a... Hold on, hold on.

If you were in Ashanti's camp, I get indicted by the feds. I'm taking them to trial. They have a 98 or some incredible percentage conviction rate. Conviction rate. Are you telling Ashanti, yo, ride with him, he's going to be free? You're probably telling him to move on.

Yeah, you're telling him that nigga's going to jail. Right. And when he goes to jail, it might be a good thing for you. Because now you can get your own deal. Not through murder rank. Right. You're signing the murder rank. So all of you can get your own deals.

Right. Because that's like breach of contract. Because he's died by the feds and he was found guilty. And he's doing 20 years the life. If she would have been able to get out of her contract. If I were with the job, I never would have held him. Oh, get out. I let them all out.

Before? Lloyd too? Lloyd too. I let them all out, Nori. I didn't charge. And they were signing me. When Nori went to Interscope, I could have said, hey, Jimmy, you're going to have to give me at least a half, nigga. When Lloyd went to Interscope.

Yeah, and I need an override and shit. These type of words. You understand? I did none of that. I was like, oh, get your money. Now, Chuck, how about Chuck? You was messing with Chuck too, Charlie? Really?

I heard that. Really? I'm asking. I'm just curious. I'm just asking. No, no. Chuck was married to this guy named Fez. That was a rumor, too.

Me and Fez had a great, great, great relationship. Okay. You're still cool with Chuck, right? Still cool with Chuck. Yeah. Still cool with Chuck. You know, the tour and everything that we're trying to do, she would be a part. The Murders.

The Murders, Inc. Yeah, all the artists would be a part of it. All of the artists. You're talking Black Child. How about Cadillac Tire? Because Cadillac Tire was implicated in the Prodigy book of something like... Yeah, that I didn't like. Yeah, I don't think any of the...

But Caddy will be there, too. So you have since worked that out? I mean, we ain't going to work nothing out, but Caddy will be there, too. Okay, I got confused on that one. That was a little confusing. No, what it is, business is business. Yeah, all books to the side. Right, I got confused on that one. That was a little confusing. Nah, what it is, business is business.

Yeah, all boots to the side. Right, that's real. You either go ahead and get your money, perform or whatever, but I'm never

going to trust you again. Alright. You know, I seen Prodigy, you know, God bless. I seen Prodigy at this club

called, what the fuck, it was on Monday nights, Griffin, in New York. It was a hot Monday night club. He came over and he was saying, how do I feel? Am I cool?

And everything. I was like, it's all good, man. Rob Markman, Do you understand? Rob Markman, Did you see what he... Rob Markman, No, but listen, I said, I want to ask you one thing and one thing only. What was it? I said, you said that shit with Caddy because he was like, this nigga was texting the other side where we was at. And it was an incident that I ain't going to explain.

That's too gangster for the drink champs. Right, right, right. That happened that made us all wonder wonder how did they know where we was at. So when Prodigy said that, he put the pieces of the puzzle together on why these certain group of niggas knew where the fuck we was at. And they had did something that they paid for. You know what I'm saying?

But we always wondered how the fuck they knew where the fuck we was at. Like Nas said on The Lost Tapes 2, he said he wished that Prodigy never wrote that book. Yeah, because the book was real and it was gangster

and he got, Caddy would never be the same with me. You know? But you got Blackchild with you. Let me tell you about Blackchild. He's right. Blackchild's a soldier, nigga.

All right. Blackchild would be like, nigga, I'd die for INC. Right. He's not lying. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I love Blackchild,

and if I got money, Blackchild will never be fucked up. So if you know Irv Gotti got 100, 200 million, Blackchild good. Right. Blackchild good. He like your man Bleak, like he your man wholesale.

And in a way, yes. Because he just, to this day, he's just in eight league, like... Word to God. Word to God. Word to God. But listen, he in eight league is just a true nigga.

Got it. And like, just to touch on that, I'm a true nigga. Right. So sometimes I gotta pause with niggas. Mm. Because if you my brother... Right. I sometimes I got to pause with niggas. Mm. Because if you my brother, Right.

I'll go all the way. Mm-hmm. I'm going to go all the way. Mm-hmm. And you can take that and think about it or whatever, but I'm going to go all the way. Mm-hmm.

So sometimes you around niggas that you'll go all the way with, but they not thinking nothing like that. Right. So you got to slow down. That's why my circle and everything is very small now. But at the same time.

I know everyone in my circle. Will Prem ever get out? No. Never? But you know Prem. Max we just got his shit chopped down. I know he's not. Prem is a just got his shit Chopped down I know he's not Prem is

They view Prem as A minister of society Right You remember the Edward Burns assassination You're a Queens nigga That was the South side

Parole officer Happy Yeah yeah yeah Fat cat Yeah yeah That has a lot to do with Prem If you remember George Bush

They never gave him from there If you remember George Bush was in Queens Talking about We're going to take These guys down. He's, you know, Pring didn't do that. Right.

But he was riding with the niggas who did. So when Edward Berman got assassinated, it bled over to me. It bled over to me. Before my case, I got summoned out to New York By this big investigative reporter For the LA Times That's all I'll give you But huge And he was like

Yo Gotti this is all over Edward Byrne Even you And I said what the fuck you talking about yo He said they never let Preem See the light of day He was with the people that did that To Edward Byrne. Because Preem was

Pappy and the little man? Pappy and Cat little man? Well Cat put Preem on. Oh okay. There you go. There you go. And I'm screaming

I love Preem. I'm still screaming I love Preem. How ignorant am I? You understand? Don't respect the loyalty. Respect the loyalty. I mean but that's the only way that I know. Like I love Preem. God damn it. How ignorant am I? You understand? Don't respect the loyalty. Respect the loyalty. I mean, but that's the only way that I know.

Like, I can't do unhonorable shit. If I do unhonorable shit, I can't sleep. I sleep so good at night because I'm an honorable dude, yo. Right. Like, I'm going to give you some real shit. So I'm getting ready to go to trial. My mom, I love my mother more than anything in life. And she's basically telling me to, like, tell.

Oh, wow. She's like, you ain't going to see Sonny and JJ no more. You don't love Sonny and JJ? And I'm like, mom, you don't understand. Right. And she's like, you don't love me? She took it to me. Like, and she knows, knows like my mother's higher than

fucking God nigga cause she's such a good person or whatever and such a loving mother God bless yeah God bless but I was like she was basically like just say whatever just get yourself out of it

and they had you and your brother? yeah she was like just say whatever and get yourself out of it and I they had you and your brother? Yeah. Okay. She's like, just say whatever and get yourself out of it. And I looked at my mother, and I'm like, I can't do that. Wow. And what was the actual charge? Do you remember? It's 20 years for money.

Wait, wait, wait. What? It was 20 years. You said that mad nonchalantly. It was just 20 years. I was facing 20 years. Nigga, they offered me six years or eight years. I mean, six months or eight months.

I told them, suck my dick. Ah. I told them, suck my dick, nigga. Ah. Yeah, I don't know. But I didn't do what they were saying. I didn't do what they were saying. Right.

And I knew that, and I felt it. And if I were to play guilty, it was basically saying Prima's selling drugs. So if I said, yo, and I play guilty, I'm basically saying Prima's selling drugs. So not only the double homicide, but they're going to fuck with my man on drugs, everything. And I'm like, I'm not fucking my man over. I know some of you may not understand that, but it doesn't matter. You understand? But I'm like, I'm not fucking my nigga over.

Like, Prem is my brother. Right. Like, I love Prem. I love him. Me and him developed a relationship when he was out. It was nothing to do with extortion. It was nothing to do with any of that bullshit. Like, if you see my wedding pictures, Prem is there. Like, Prem even spoke to JJ.

That's his nephew. Chaz just passed away. God bless. Yeah, that's a sorry passing. Chaz was, he was another dude. Blackhand? Yeah.

Cut from that cloth of realness. Of realness. You know what I'm saying? So, when you talk, like, with me and Prem, well, people, and they'll never understand it.

And I completely don't give a fuck when y'all run your mouth and say shit, and you don't know. You know what I'm saying? But that nigga was like my brother. He was on my line at my wedding, and he loved me and my family. And you don't think there'll ever be a law

to overturn, like, something that, like, get him back on his feet? His shit is homicide, yeah. Yeah, that's very true. He got a double homicide. Very true. You know what I'm saying? He went, dang, what?

It's crazy, because when I talk to Prim, he's being the best spirits. He just be like, kill these niggas, got it? Ha ha, laughing, or whatever like that. He just love me. He's still very protective of me. It's no extortion. He just loved me. He's still very protective of me. It's no extortion. He just loves his man. So if someone says something against me,

he's at him. And he's still preying. He's still preying. But when he hears people talking shit about me, he gets angry. And I can't say, I'm like preying, it's all good. I don't give a fuck about that shit, nigga.

We getting this money. We're going to get this two, three hundred million, nigga. Fuck that. But he's still, he just loves me. And I speak to him. BJ speaks to him often, like two, three times a week. He's in a jail, like, and he hates the jail. And this is crazy because, Cream, any jail he's in, he's like happy.

And he takes over whatever right but this jail he said man god this jail is fucking crazy i want to get the fuck out of here he said these niggas is killing me max this is a super max and he said they kill the niggas every day wow he said it's a jail where they just nigga he says any new niggas that come if nigga you're getting tore the fuck up he said this is he's like, nigga, I want to get the fuck out of here. He's good, but he's like,

these young niggas, these niggas, Jessica the rep niggas, he's like, man, they'll slit my motherfucking throat. So he's in a jail where even Preem is like,

this shit is bad. Right, right, right. So when he says that, I'm like, nigga, that must be a fuck up. Because usually, you know,

he's like, yeah, I got everything under control, nigga, I got three cells, nigga, I'm like, nigga, that must be a fuck up. Because usually, you know, he's like, yeah, I got everything under control, nigga. I got three cells, nigga. I'm running card games. And nigga calling me on the cell phone and shit like that. He would double, triple lifers right now. Yeah. And I'd be like, Prince, slow down.

Like, whatever you're doing, slow down. But he's like, nigga, I'm on double life, nigga. Fuck they going to do to me? Right. Give me another life? Yeah. You're getting another life sentence. Yeah, great. Suck my dick.

Alright. Well, Gotti, man, we want you to know. Hold on. Are we going to do one more shot? I think three is a lucky number, right? We did three. No, it's two. Oh, fuck. I got to take a piss. Again, again. I was about to take a piss, too. That was my speech. That was my speech.

When I got up, straight talk, shit was fucking up. Yeah, let's go. I was so fucked up, I got up, shit was on balance. What the fuck smoke is killing me right now? I don't know, but I had to take a piss this whole time. I was sitting there like, oh shit. Yeah, we can do like another five minutes and done. Even like three.

I know, I see it. No, let's do the shot. Shot, and then we can close it out. Yeah, your tears, you're tearing up. You're fucking me up right now, man. I've never seen you tear up. I don't know. I feel like the smoke is going right in my nostril right now. You're getting the second hand right now. I got the secondril right now. You're getting the second hand right now.

I got the muscle. Put some Miami Salmon in, man. Damn. Smoke, Tiger Bone, die. Hey, relax, buddy. It's a little piece. It's a little piece. Fuck Tiger Bone, bro.

Fuck Tiger Bone. I'm with you on that one. I'mbone, bro. Fuck Tigerbone. I'm with you on that one. I'm about to do a campaign against it. I'm going to do a hashtag. Tell Nori to stop. I don't think this is... Wow. This is going to come out.

I told you about it. Yeah. This is so hard. Wow. This is going to come off. I told you about it. Yeah. This is way in there. All right. This is way in there. There's no beer, bro? No?

Not one fucking beer in there? You got to still open that J. You got to open that J. What? The two is. Oh, yeah. That's it. That's the. I mean, this is.

You know what I mean? I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. Oh yeah. That's it. I'll do this fucking shot straight. No. God damn it.

Alright, I got it. Yo, I wanna I wanna say something. I wanna say something on the Ashanti shit. No, that's... I want to say something on the Ashanti shit. And when I knew and realized, I felt this moment, I was like, we can move on and it's all good. It was an all good moment. And it was when she has this pretty little thing, the clothing line she's doing.

She did like a big campaign. And when I seen it, yo, I smiled and I was happy. I was like, yo, she's doing a thing. That's a good move. That shit is hot right there. She look great or whatever. And that's when I realized like, we're going to move forward and it's going to be all good.

You know what I'm saying? I'm happy for her. I want her to do well. I want her to You got to hit thirst trap, Agati. It's all good. You see her thirst traps? Listen, if that's what gets the money. They kind of hard. Okay, listen. If that's what gets the money They kinda hard

Okay, listen, if that's what gets the money Yo, thirst trap, like do it But what I was saying is like I was happy for her I was genuinely happy, she's getting money She's thinking it was good You miss that old thing back? No, I do not miss that old thing back

Come on, God, you miss it a little bit No, I don't, because See, now you're gonna make me say some real shit. Now you're going to make me say, I ended it with such a great. That's a good note. And on a good note, saying I'm happy for. But I don't want her. Because I know who she is.

Damn. That was harsh. Exactly. And then she's going to be mad. But, you know, I'm just happy for her. And that's why I'm like, that felt good for the future. Look at this thing. Another shot.

Mm-hmm. You ready? This is the going away party. This is the going away party. Goddamn it. You motherfucker. Salute. Salute.

And this shit is harsh. I want everyone to know. Yo, Sonny, why haven't you been taking shots? I'm fucking just catching on. This whole time, you've been fucking taking shots. Yo! Why the fuck is nobody saying nothing? What the fuck?

You think you just can't even be looking? What the fuck? Hold on. Say your speech. Hold on. Say your speech. Say your speech. I have a speech?

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