Drink Champs - Episode 194 w/ Cipha Sounds & Kardinal Offishall

Episode Date: January 17, 2020

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today’s episode The Champs chop it up with the legends Cipha Sounds and Kardinal Offishall. Playing instrumental roles to a lot of people’s careers, Cipha Sounds and Kardinal Offishall have had legendary careers themselves.Being one of the first artists from Toronto to blow up, Kardinal Offishall’s impact in Hip-Hop has opened the doors for many artist to come out of Toronto. Kardinal Offishall recognizes and pays respect to Toronto’s home town heroes and shares with us incredible stories from his career.Cipha Sounds shares his origin story from working with Funkmaster Flex, writing skits for Dave Chappelle, to how he made a name for himself on New York City’s airwaves. Cipha Sounds drops gems as he share how he and Peter Rosenberg created the first Hip-Hop Podcast with JUAN EPSTEIN.As we’re joined by Jarobi White from A Tribe Called Quest - In this episode we talk everything from watching greats evolve, debating diss records, arguments with Jay Z, discovering Rihanna and much much more!Give them their credit!!! *mic drop*Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreagaCivic Tax Relief: To learn more, call 800-601-7780.--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you put these guys together, you might get Rihanna. If you get one of the DJs, the DJ is one of the first DJ to break Rihanna, not only a part of discovering them, and one of the first people, not in Miami, I ever heard Rick Ross before in my life, was on Hot 97. This man played this. Now, the other man is standing next to us, is a national treasure, a country man for his country. I mean, if it wasn't, this is the first rapper I've ever heard from this country. I didn't even know they had Jamaicans over there.

Since back then, he's been monkey-fucking this game since 14 years old. I've seen old footage of him, he had a Gumby then. And he's been out here, he's been making moves and celebrating and doing what he gotta do. You put these two together, you got it right now. If you don't know who I'm talking about, I'm talking about Cypher. Motherfucking sound. Hey, Carter, now, I'll finish you. Now, Carter, now, I'm going to start with you, right?

Because it was something that was crazy. I seen you going to, um, um, because you had just came from Kenya. Mm-hmm. And you went on this show and then on the show they showed footage of you a 14 year old you yo did you remember what i'm talking about yo you've been doing this my dude yo like yo i'll be honest what's what's interesting about um about toronto that people don't understand we've been we've been infiltrating for a long time under the radar you know what I'm saying like as a little kid um first of all 20

minutes from New York my nigga Buffalo is right there so it's like we go running we got you know big up shout out to everybody that grew up on WBLK but like there was two ways when we were younger like to get hip-hop one of them was tuned in to be okay we didn't play like mostly funk but then sometimes you know i'm saying like i'm talking like l.l kooja i need love like you know i'm saying run dmc fresh early to mid-eight okay you know i'm saying so it's either that or it's like because a lot of us especially in the neighborhood that i grew up in our neighborhoods i should say we caribbean so you already know once they leave Jamaica they go a few places they go Toronto New York Miami London right you

know I'm saying like it's like you keep places so everybody that that I knew we all have family in New York so what used to happen is niggas used to go to New York especially you should make in Brooklyn Brooklyn Brooklyn and Jamaica Queens Queens yeah you know shout out to Cambridge Heights okay okay that's what's up niggas used to go to New York. Especially when you're making Brooklyn. Brooklyn. Brooklyn and Jamaica Queens. Or Queens. Yeah. For sure. You know what I mean? Shout out to Cambridge Heights.

You know what I'm saying? Okay. That's what's up. Word. So we used to go there and make them little pause tapes. You know what I'm saying? You bring it back to the neighborhood. Everybody get a dub.

So like we was right there. So I'm talking like for me, like my, the first shit that I, that I really like understood that I love, love hip hop. Cause you know, R.I.P to my pops, he was a DJ so I grew up with him playing all types of records. He had the original presence of Sugarhill Gang and all that shit. But for me, my cousin had Roxanne Shante, back in the days of UTF-4 and all that. When Shantae was doing, what was it, Roxanne's Revenge? Ooh. Yo, like, that was, you know what I'm saying?

For me, I remember staring at the boombox, you know what I'm saying? And just literally just staring at the cassette going around. I was like, yo, that was it for me, you know what I'm saying? So that's kind of like the earliest time I've heard of you. How hard was that? Because, I mean, as far as I remember, you was the first person not only representing Toronto. But where was Socrates from? He was from Toronto.

So Socrates was the first person I heard. Yeah, I didn't know. Were you guys from the same era or was he right before you? So there's a lot of history, and this is kind of probably the only place where we can talk about it and it would make sense. But before me, like, you definitely have to shout out like what i call like the holy trinity which is uh a female mc named mishy me you know what i'm saying wow so mishy me she used to actually be

signed to um to mc light's father's label first priority wow so she was on first priority and if you go back and check the lady first video and then you got a shout out you know I'm saying the dream warriors they were actually the first group from Canada to go platinum internationally You know I'm saying so what's wild is like if you do the knowledge, you know Shout out to premier RIP to guru but like gangsta used to open up for them in Europe So, you know shout out to dream wars, but then there was also another rapper named maestro fresh West maestro fresh West He was the first dude To go platinum in Canada.

We just celebrated the 30-year anniversary. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Of him going platinum? Of him going platinum. And he's from Toronto as well? He's from Toronto as well. What's his name?

His name is Maestro. Maestro Fresh West. It's wild because like... And he's a rapper? He's a rapper, yo. Yo, trust me. Listen, back in the early 90s, yo, we used to bug to, like, bug out because he was one of the first to, you know, be able to do collabs. Like, I remember he started rocking with, like, Showbiz and them.

Wow. AG, Showbiz, FD, real great. So, I mean, you know, shout out to all of them. But, I mean, like, Missy Mee, also, if you go back and check, like, 87, she used to rock with BDP. Wow. Oh, damn. Miss Melody? BDP Miss Melody Miss Melody

This is like Scott LaRock days Kara Scott LaRock days You know what I'm saying And they got joints together D-Nice Now Syke you started with flip DJs Flip DJs

I don't smoke weed I don't know weed so I'm already high. I don't know what he's talking about. Flip Squad. That's Doo-Wop right? That was Flex. Doo-Wop was in it. It was Flex, Doo-Wop.

I thought Flex was Big Dog Pimples. I didn't know who he was. Big Dog Pimples was the second DJ. Alright cool. So you started out with with them yeah i was like flex's intern at the radio station and then uh he put me in the flip squad but it didn't last long because then he left that whole system whatever and then started big dog pitbull let's get straight to the point well do you feel like evvo tried to cut you out? Do you feel like

that's just, that's just, that's just, fuck it. Fuck it, take the band-aid right off. We took out the AC and got straight to the point.

Listen, you don't drink Scythe, so there's no need to build up to this shit. Okay, right. There's no need to do it, you know what I mean? We're going to try to,

we're going to try to get a Mr. Official Drink a monster though. A little of Evo and we're going to get a monster drink. But let's just be clear, Scythe, this was your morning show. Yes. I'm a morning person. Yes. I woke up to get Mr. Official. Drink a monster though. A little anemia. We're going to get a monster drink. But let's just be clear. This was your morning show.

I'm a morning person. I woke up in the morning. Yeah, you always use the co-op. I always use the co-op. And just one morning, it was the morning show. Yeah. And the next morning, it was Ebro's morning show. Yeah.

You had to feel a certain type of way. No. Come on, man. Come on. This is drink tips, brother. I know. Come on. bro yeah it's morning show yeah you have to feel certain type of way no come on man come on i don't i don't feel any type of animosity to anybody for shit like that you know what i'm saying there's a whole bunch of different reasons essentially let's break it down for the people that don't know sorry to cut you off because i want to people i want to people to understand what where i'm coming from yes essentially this was somewhat your boss he was the PD it was a hundred percent understand it's not like a co-worker no yeah it's not like me saying coming tomorrow I'm saying Nori show do you know what the

fuck we've been doing during chances whole time so it's not like but this was the boss this is the guy yeah and he stepped down i believe to take that yeah he stepped down or there was a decision made where he had to go down like it was a lot of different i don't know 100 but like he also wasn't feeling the situation of going on the reason what happened was we were doing well in the morning and then the Breakfast Club Was invented Let's listen to that Let's not skip their name The Breakfast Club That's right

I love all of them They know that I love all of them Breakfast Club I love the morning show as well Yeah I love Peter That's the thing

I love everybody That's my problem I love everybody too The Breakfast Club came around And they started doing good numbers With a lot of drama So then they were like Syfe you gotta start doing drama

I don't like drama I don't like it So I don't like it. So it wasn't working for me towards the end. In the beginning it was a comedy show. It was a black, a Puerto Rican, and a Jew walking to the radio station. Black, Puerto Rican. That's a joke by itself. Yeah, that's the joke.

Who was the black? K-Fox was the black. K-Fox, yeah. Okay, big up to K-Fox as well. Yeah. And then when Charlamagne started doing all that crazy shit, they started started taking people away from us and they were like, you know people scrambling You did a reality show it was horrible This is horrible. This is crazy. This is horrible. This is crazy. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why.

I watch all the dumb shit. Loving him, I just haven't missed not one episode. I watch Jerry Springer victoriously. You've been in- But when I see the how I said they seafood y'all, they acting. I need a drink. They're acting. They're not you.

I've been waiting for a drink too. Yo, listen. Are you okay? You've been a part of a lot of situations that has a lot of bullshit behind the scenes. There's a lot of bullshit behind the scenes. I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding.

I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. to make two people honest. Are you okay? You've been a part of a lot of situations that has a lot of bullshit behind the scenes. There was a lot of bullshit behind the scenes. It was a comedy show. It was the bullshit on the scenes as well. It was supposed to be scripted. Want to be up for my good? That's about people.

You know what's funny? I was going to leave Hot 97 at that time. Because of the reality show? No, before that. Before that. And the reason why I stayed is because I was working on my comedy career and they were going to make a comedy TV show.

So that's why I stayed the first time. I was going to leave two times before I actually left. So I stayed there because of that show. That's interesting. That you even segue into a comedic, because we all think we're funny, right?

Like everyone, everyone actually thinks they're funny. Everyone laughs at their own jokes on the low, right? But then to go in front of a fucking audience, and like to really do that, remember your improv show? Yeah, of course. Okay, you better remember it. You remember that one. You know, you were my first guest on my improv show.

Oh, I was your first guest, god damn it. I'm going to take this home, man. No, I think that was so amazing how, it's called improv, right? You guys will come and I'll say something to you, then make up a whole fucking story. Yeah, you tell a story, then we make up a show on the spot. Wow.

And a lot of people bitch and shit. I can't lie to you. No, we don't bitch and shit. Yeah, yeah, you got to grab a little, I'm going to slip you a Mickey or something. You're not going to be humble today. There's a lot of people, there's a lot of improv shows now. Improv has been around for a long time.

Improv, not with hip hop. Not with hip hop. Now I'm seeing people with hip hop. Come on, I'm going to big you up. So you were the first one, god damn it. You know what? You were the first one, god damn it. First hip hop improv shit I've ever seen.

I didn't even know what improv was. It was just that freestyle. I'm't even know what improv was. It should have just said freestyle. I'm like, I don't got it. I'm like, what the fuck is improv? Like, it took me an hour. It just should have said freestyle. I think I would have got it like that. But also, you're the podcast godfather.

Yeah. Hip hop podcast. Of course. I don't live outside of hip hop. Yeah. So, yeah. I'm fucking. If you can be racial through hip-hop,

I'm the racist hip-hopper. That's it, so all I want is hip-hop. I don't want to listen to jazz. I don't want to listen to rock. Sometimes salsa, you know what I mean? But that's it. I just want to live, breathe hip-hop. I used to fuck the Kick It Breathe tapes.

It took me, it took like, that was my romantic shit. Kick It Breathe slow jabs. Like that's what, I'm like the can do. Kick It Breathe, nigga, that's was my romantic shit. Kick a priest, slow jazz. Like that was, like a candle, kick a priest, nigga, that's what I tell people, kick a priest, off to me.

Where'd you let the candle? I know, you know, I used to have, I used to let the candle. You know, because I didn't have money back then, so you know,

I used to go to the staircase for a little kick a priest date and that's, and you go back there? Yeah, man, and the projects, that's some good shit,

man, you know what I mean? Pebble Beach and all that, you know what I mean? But, and all that You know what I mean But um What the fuck We told Miles into that The podcast

The podcast Yo Did you guys know You were doing The first hip hop podcast When you started it No I didn't even know

What a podcast was What happened was Ebro hired Rosenberg And they were trying To train us To do the morning show Cause Ebro was like I mean Rosenberg

Was like a parody guy Right He did parodies Now didn't he come From college radio Yeah he did like A lot of underground College radio shit to do the morning show. Because Ebro was like a, I mean, Rosenberg was like a parody guy, right? He did parodies. No, didn't he come from college radio? Yeah, he did like a lot of underground college radio shit in D.C.

Okay, I thought he was like a parody. He did a couple, but then he did some YouTube shit. So continue. And then Ebro put us together and like,

we wanted to like talk to each other to get used to our sound with each other before we actually got the show. So he's like, oh, let's just record in the back

and we'll do a podcast. I was like, what the fuck is a podcast? So Rosenberg knew what a podcast was? Pick up his nerdism. I don't know what he was doing. He knew what it was. It wasn't on Hot 97. Their podcast wasn't on Hot 97.

No, no, no, it was just a podcast that he used to put up on his his website But it was Ebro's idea For y'all to talk to each other No it was Ebro's idea To us To do a show together Right And then me and Rosenberg

Were like To prep Yeah like let's see If we have chemistry You know what I mean Like go in the back And talk It was Ebro's idea

To do fake air checks Right But then Rosenberg was like Let's just talk And do a podcast And then that shit Grew into what is now Juan Epstein The first hip hip-hop podcast ever?

So we have reinvented distributed originally word Yeah, I mean he didn't take care of it well Fucking weird missing. It was on his website. Jimmy Hoffa style? But Rosenberg, let me tell you something. I love Rosenberg, man. We getting along now, but he was a real piece of shit back then.

He used to say, I'd be like, send me the podcast. I had a blog. He had a blog, a website, whatever. And I'd be like, I would both put him up.

You all trying to premiere it. Yeah, premiere at 12 o'clock on whatever day. He'll put it up at 1130. He'll put it up at 1130 and I sent it to me until like 8 p.m. So foul. Because he wanted all the fucking views.

I didn't give a fuck about the views. I was like, fine, just put it on your site. But the way he was doing it sneakily. Slang it. Yeah. But it's all good. It made fucking a whole new lane for us. You know what I mean?

For a lot of people. Yeah. Because I'm bouncing all around the place. I'm going to go back to that. I called an official. How did you link up with ACOG? Not only you did a record with them, you actually did business with them.

Like, you actually signed and you had a whole adventure with them. How did that work? Did you say adventure? Yeah, why? Get an adventure with an adventure, man. Hood niggas can't use adventure with a venture. See what I'm saying? Yeah, adventurous, come on. It's an adventure with a venture, man. Niggas can't use adventure with a venture. Adventure.

It's an adventurous venture. Why, white people going to use adventure? Come on. Let's go. Let's go. You know what? We first, I think the joint that we first did together was over Super Dupes, who at the time was from Black Chinese from Miami. We were on a rhythm. And I think the joint was called Kill the Dance.

I think that was the first joint that we did together. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, right? Yeah. Because Syfe used to, like... You've got to explain to everybody what a rhythm is, just so they don't know. Who the fuck are your listeners? They don't know what a rhythm is?

Yeah, not everybody knows it. There'll be new era people might not know this shit, man. So, like, a rhythm in dancehall is like a producer will make, like, a beat. And then what'll happen is you'll have, like, maybe 8 to 12 artists all do a song over the same beat. So that's what a rhythm is in dancehall. So Superduce... And people get duck blades and get people on them. Exactly, exactly.

So Superduce produced that joint, me and him. You know what I'm saying? We both... No, no, no, no and him, you know what I'm saying? We both... Copa... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sorry. I think the first one might have been... Oh, yeah.

Tony Kelly. Dave Kelly. Dave Kelly. Dave Kelly's written it. Okay, you know, is that the Vitamin D beat? No. Whoa. Sorry.

What, you want to pause on that one? Hey, man. Hey, Vitamin D is... It doesn't sound good in these ears. I'll tell you that. But yeah, it was either Dave Kelly or Superdose. But anyway, we both did a joint together, like a collab on both of those rhythms. And then pretty much I start seeing him all over the world.

Gunshot. Gunshot. That shit was fire. I like this guy, man. This is my guy right here. But yeah, I would see him all over the world, you know what I'm saying? We'd link up, we'd go to London, he'd be there and be like, yo, nigga, what you doing here? I'm like, same shit you doing here. You know what I'm saying?

Mixed Show Power Summit days, you know what I'm saying? I used to see him. London and Canada, all the black people got Jamaica-ass accents. Why? It's the diaspora. Because the shower pososse really just... In my mind, the Shower Posse had babies all over the place. I don't know.

That's what I think. There's a lot of Haitians in Canada as well. Well, in Montreal. In Montreal. French Viennese. In my mind, the Shower Posse got'm told I totally have no facts But they children had the ball in had to go up in London and Canada. I think it might have been on something before that. Just those two places though.

Just those two places. They went nowhere else. They can't go anywhere else. They went nowhere else. London and Toronto. Some of them went back to Jamaica. But everywhere, they went everywhere else.

I'm sorry. This is just my fiction story. We all just watched Top Boy. That's what's going on. I did watch. I watched one episode. Yo, I love that shit. Listen,

I forgot that they're shooting people in London and Canada now. I'm telling y'all. Now is it? No, but back then, in the 90s, I used that they shooting people in London and Canada now. I'm telling y'all. Now you say? No, but back then, I mean, in the 90s, I used to go there. There used to be a lot of sticks. Like, people would pull out sticks. They'd be like, niggas pull out a stick.

That was hard. But even in the show, they used a sparingly. The police in London at one point didn't have guns. You don't remember that? No, it's true. They didn't have guns. But I ain't gonna lie to you, don't fuck with them, because they went to karate class all day. All day, put you in the super poop.

You're like, oh, shit, nigga, how I get here? You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry, I can't get to you. I mean, yo, the funny thing is there's a real connection, and it's very interesting, because it's like right now, the cycle has almost come all the way back around who's talking. It's like, with the slang and stuff, there's a lot of like people online going back and forth like who was the first? Like was it London?

Was it Toronto? Was it Brooklyn? But the thing is... With the patchwork? Yeah. You know what I mean? Incorporating it like into just everyday...

That's a good argument. I like to hear it. Well, here's the thing. Anywhere that Jamaicans go, it's like the community always just uses the slang and embraces it. I met Cuddy Ranks the other day.

That was the first time you met him? Yeah, it was the first time I met Cuddy Ranks. Sorry, I was just a little cat. I'm on a school reggae. I want Shabba, Ninja Man. We need Supercat on. Supercat. That would be amazing.

I'm on a school reggae. Word. But it's like, yeah, I mean, listen, my first album, like, when I got signed to my major deal. That's not I and I. No, that's Firestarter Volume 1 on MCA. Like, my first joint was called Bacardi Slang. Yeah. Hey, I told you so much about Bacardi, but it's Bacardi Cardi.

Yeah, exactly. We thought you was drunk. My inner drunkness thought you was drunk. In a drunkness, we thought you was drunk. Well, I mean, you know what? It was one of those ones, like, for us, like, we grew up, like, when you guys talk about rum, no disrespect to Bacardi, but, like, we grew up on, like, overproof rum, you know what I'm saying? Like, Ray and Nephew. It's a Jamaican joint, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot the name of that family. They make some foul shit. Yeah, Ray and Nephew. Oh, okay, that's the family. I'm so sorry. Please, I'm on point. You know what I'm saying? That's what we grew up on.

But it's like, you know, my man Solitaire, we was, remember I was talking about Buffalo. We was driving to Buffalo. And he put on. Solitaire, that's another one. Shout out to my man Solitaire. You know what I'm saying? I'm big up the Gazelle Directors. Solitaire and Syf used to have a production company together.

We're going to get back to all the Syf's. Yeah, we're going to get to all of them. I think you weigh more than me, but we're like you wait for no no him way more than me Making culture to there's no sight things. He's Jamaican though. I did Gig I got it spending 45s doing a reggae set in Miami. Yeah, that was my first gig that I ever got. Would you say, Bop-Bop? No.

I had my homie, he's Jamaican Cuban. You gotta say Bop-Bop at one point. You gotta say, Brooklyn in the house. That's a Jamaican set right there. How did you adapt that? Because you know, being Puerto Rican, being from New York City, man. Shut up, Jamaican. That's a Jamaican set right there. But you, how did you adapt that? Because, you know, being Puerto Rican, being from New York City, and as Jamaicans, but it's still the least, you know, it's more blacks,

it's more Puerto Ricans. My Jamaican style of DJing? Yeah, just you being Jamaican. So I consider you a Jamaican at one point. He was my Jamaican friend. I was like, I see you. I see you. He was like, what's the. It was the whole DJ side.

I had to learn how to play reggae because when I used to open up for Flex, he didn't want to play reggae, and he wanted a half-hour reggae set before he started playing all the hot hip-hop right now. So we were in the tunnel. So before he played the Benjamins and Annie Up and all that, he wanted a half-hour reggae set. So I had to learn how to play reggae like that. And then I got more into it. And I actually really learned how to, what I did was,

I was down here in Miami. I was hanging out with Khaled in the old, like, 01. And we used to have a party. Butterfooka and Khaled had a party called? The Humble Khaled. No, not the temple. It was before that what I am you going crazy

why was this one busy this game I went to that party you lay on that and it was real Jamaican DJ type shit. And the energy was so crazy, right? So what I did was I adapted that style. I took the talking, the way Jamaicans talk into a song

and you hear it in the headphones and you're like, yo, all the girls and then the song is about what you just talked about. But I would do it with hip-hop and R&B because in New York, all the DJs sounded the same. They all sounded like fake clues but that's what the place came in no so because like double-links because I'll make it for that do you yeah because that's what it are can we explain that or just change the subject

no I got it so I started adapting that style to give myself a different personality DJ then all the Jamaican artists I mean every single one of them wanted to be on hot 97 core and I was playing on prime time not the reggae show like in Saturday afternoon I was playing the hardest dancehall shit so they were like how do we go bye bye You can't play that anymore. You can't play that anymore. I played it. Why you can't say it anymore? It's against. It's against. It's against.

Boom ba-ay-ba-ay in the... Oh, the bop. He got it. He got it. But so then all the artists wanted to... So then I was like, oh, like, double plates is like, you get a popular song and they say your name in the song. They'll even rewrite the lyrics to like go against the other...

It's major. It's a sound class DJs. It's a sound class. Yeah, it's a sound class. Right, but like I didn't do really sound class rules because I wasn't battling, but I would get them to say how they said it. No, but that big deal was the DJ. And then I started getting hip hop artists to do dub plates. So you're trying to say you invented the dub plate in hip hop? No. I feel like that's where you're going with it.

No, other people had dub plates, yo. Okay, alright. I'm just saying, I was playing it in prime time. The reason why me and Cardi wanted to do this show together is because I suck by talking about myself. Yo, Cypher don't like to beat himself up. You know what I'm saying? Cypher is like, you know that little, the humility thing?

Y'all had something to do with Rihanna, right? Y'all two together had something to do with Rihanna. Yeah, but I mean like, I thought you said you two together or Rihanna. I was like, what the hell? No, no, no. I would like to hear this story. I mean... I think I heard the story, but I would like to hear it.

I mean, listen, the story is a good-ass story because I was in the studio in the crib, and just me and the boys were there chilling. Mr. Morgan's around somewhere. I feel like Mr. Morgan Is involved somehow Of course And um

So we got a call From our From our virgin Mark Jordan Mark Jordan used to be Head of Black Music For Columbia You know what I'm saying

This is like Trackmasters days And all that shit And um You know He left Columbia And I don't know what he was doing

He was just Figuring out his next move And he called me And he left Columbia, and I don't know what he was doing. He was just figuring out his next move. And he called me, and he's like, yo, Cardi. He's like, I'm in Barbados. I found this gorgeous little girl. She can sing. She's amazing, whatever, whatever. I'm like, word. I was like, all right, cool.

He's like, yo, I need you to get on a demo tape because, like, yo, I already hooked it up. I'm about to have a meeting with Jay in, like, two weeks. I'm like, yo, Saf, I got you. I was like demo tape Cause like yo I already hooked it up About to have a A meeting with Jay In like two weeks I'm like yo Soft I got you I was like yo What's her name He's like yo

Her name is Rihanna I was like Nah son She's gonna have to Change that name I did not think That Rihanna The name was gonna work

When you heard Rihanna What did you think Cause I know that's like It's a Caribbean name You know what I'm saying So it's like I figured she was gonna Have to make

You to that name as opposed to me. That's the first time I For us that's regular, you know, that's pizza I don't smoke either. I don't smoke, so this is good. Well, again, we can be honest, though. We gonna get this. This is gonna be viral right here. Let's go. So anyways, he's like, yo. He sent me a couple of joints. He's like, yo.

Because at the time, you know what I'm saying, whatever. We was all over BET, MCB. What was the joint? Don't tell me. What's the first joint? Pond of Eclipses. Pond of Eclipses. Pond of Replay.

Pond of Replay was on there? So the ones that they sent me was like album cuts. So I did like three for the demo and one of them. Produced and wrote? No, no, no. I just, I featured on it. You know what I'm saying? I was a featured rapper.

And then one of them they kept on the first album. You know what I'm saying? That's eventually like how I ended up meeting Jay later on that year when he came to Toronto. Okay. But yeah, so I was on her demo and he's like, yo, trust me, this is going to be crazy. And, yeah, he called me. Like, that story that y'all heard, like, we heard it, like, from beforehand. You know what I'm saying?

To when he's like, yo, we went to go have that meeting, and they basically locked the doors and said, y'all can't leave until we sign this contract. You know what I'm saying? And they locked it in. And, yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was part of that process. But, Mark Jordan, that's, you know what I'm saying? That's my brother.

Wait, but you're skipping a whole, like, guy. So,'m saying? Like, I was part of that process. But Mark Jordan, that's, you know what I'm saying? That's my brother. You're skipping a whole, like, guy. So you was called to work on a demo? That was a demo or that was the actual album that they was going to present to you? No, this was like the demo tapes, like, you know, back in the day, like, here's my demo. The EPMD, please listen to my demo shit. And that was you first. He came because he, at the time, like, he wanted, like, the extra star power. You know what I'm saying?

Because at the time, like, it's crazy how life works. But, you know, I was the one that was out there. To get attention. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I think. Go to a meeting and have somebody official on the demo. And when you first met Rihanna, did she smell like grapes?

I feel like she smelled like. That's the only fruit you can think of? Or pineapples. Something exotic. First and foremost, she was a youth when I met her. She was like 14, 15. So when I met her, she was like, no fruits allowed in this conversation. Shout out to Rihanna. But when I met Rihanna, she literally had just come from Barbados, you know what I'm saying?

What year was this around? This was 05, 04, 05. Then she hit 18. Around them times. What's she smelling like? You fast forward that shit right now, bro. I just feel like she smells exotic. You just want to get straight to the fruit and vegetable.

Grapes are not exotic, Lori. Yes, they is. To me, it is. Grapes, you can get your a fucking corner store and make wine. You can take grapes and make wine. That's exotic. What does a grape smell like, though? Huh? Actual grapes don't actually even smell like anything.

See, this is what you gotta get. A Concord grape. This is what you gotta get created. This is what you gotta get created. You gotta think of the grape smell. Like, the wine. Like, Welsh? You gotta think it's advanced already. Like, it smells like the wine. Like it's advanced or red like it's just this smells like

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I'm counting his pockets right now. I need a loan, Mr. Morgan. Beyond countable right now. So he brought me in. Rihanna was signed to these two producers that lived in New York, like in Bronxville. You know Bronxville? Absolutely not.

It's in Westchester County. Okay. So we go to the studio. I meet her. She's, I guess, 16, 17, whatever, and they want me to hear the joints and just get my opinion and I heard the ones with Cardi on it, all that shit, and I was like, oh this shit is fire, and then they made Ponda Replay. Ponda Replay.

And at the time I had my show on the radio. Didn't you have Nina Sky? What was Nina Sky's song? Nina Sky was- Same shit like DJ Play My Song, right? Wasn't it? No. That's Nina's movie about- Or movie about- Definitely. You have Nina Sky? What was Nina Sky's song? Same shit like DJ played my song, right? Wasn't it?

No. That's very vague. A movie about it. So sorry. Yeah, I had kind of already stopped messing with Nina Sky by this time. But then they wanted me to. So I said, yo, can I play that on the radio? And they were like, oh, we're trying to get a deal.

That might be dope to get like already getting played on Hot 97. And it had like a Caribbean feel to it. So so I said, okay, I'm gonna play it on the radio this weekend And I'm literally the first person to ever play it ever Literally Rihanna says she's in the mall. I think in Brooklyn with her grandmother I was in a toy store and had to put on like a toy radio. She wasn't buying a toy though. No, she was just in the mall. Because then someone told her I was going to play it. So she went in the store and put on like a toy radio. And heard her song for the first time.

And I played that shit over and over. I remember. And then she goes to get the deal. And at the time. That was before the deal that you were playing the record over. Way before. Way before. Listen man, he got the deal. That's what she's basically saying. So I'll tell you how I got the deal and at the time I was before the dealer you're playing the record or way before maybe before this is Matt he got the deal that's basically saying so I'll tell you how I got the deal so they were for the meeting this is the part that gets kind of erased a little bit and I don't know why.

You don't want it to get erased or you do want it to get erased? No, I don't want it. Okay, let's go. It gets erased. Okay. So Jay, I was working with Jay at the time on some shit and me and Jay had a fight at the 40-40 club. You watched him?

No, an argument. I feel like Jay will win, I'm going to be honest. Jay Z will definitely win in this fight. I feel like Jay will win. 4040 club you watch the argument HGH, like come on, your hair growing, your hair growing all type of ways, and a little like, this nigga look, yo, yo, I'm on you, bro, I'm on you, bro, because if HGH is hot, you need to tell me, because I need to get my chest poked now, too.

All right, get here. So then, so, so. No, Type ain't taking no shot, I'm gonna be honest. You'll take a shot, that's Tyke and Moe. Tyke and Moe, I'll take a Tyke and Moe. Yeah, Tyke and Moe, you know that's. That's organic. Yeah, I'll take a Tyke and Moe.

You know that's routine culture. Yeah, that's rude. That's routine culture, yeah. It's also Wu-Tang Club' Culture. That's Rootin' Culture, yeah. It's also Wu-Tang Clan. Okay, so before we do this, let's also wait, wait, wait, EFN. Let's big up to our people, Greek Lightning. You know what I mean? When it's time for that lightning thunder.

Yo, you've never done a better act than you've been in. Yo, are they the realest? Am I getting cut out of Greek Lightning? Yo, you're like, what the fuck, bro? No, when it's time for that thunder and that thunder Yo, I'm not seeing this paycheck Greek Lightning, fuck you, man

We're not Greek Lightning, I'm just kidding Yeah, Greek Lightning Man, you know what I mean? When it's time, man, you know what I mean? When it's time, no matter what, to get slimed You get that Greek Lightning, you know what I mean? But right now, you know what I mean? We are taking Tiger Bone unwind, to get slimed, you get that grease like that. You know what I mean? But right now, you know what I mean? We are taking Tiger Bone because I'm standing in front of two legends, man.

And I want to, you know, so many times it's overlooked in this game how hard it is to stay relevant and how hard it is to have 10 years in this game and still be who you are. So many people, they do survive those 10 years, but they turn into a whole different type of animal or different type of objects the further they get. And that's dope. I get it. I get what changed. It should be changed.

But there's something that should not never change. It's that we're superheroes. And the thing that we dedicate to our community when we put our face, I can't never take my face off and go to McDonald's and say I'm off. We can't never do that. This is a 24-hour job even when we're not at it. So I want y'all to know that I appreciate that. I want y'all to, that's why we set up this format because we want to give people their flowers while they're here. We want people to know that we appreciate it. Like

I really look at hip hop like superheroes. Like I can really live off of hip hop. Like for real, like for real. Like I'm one of those guys. Like I've really live off of hip-hop like for real like for real like I'm one of those guys I've really probably never listened to a whole other Genre of album like you know I mean because I'm not I'm that insane But I want y'all to know that that as long as I'm alive we gonna keep hip-hop the fuck alive. You know I'm saying Yeah! Yo, this ain't that bad, yo. You're Jamaican, that's good. Yeah, you're Jamaican. Yo, why do I know this is like Roots Tawny Crew, boy? Yeah, it's Roots.

Give him the whole bottle, man. I thought it was soy sauce. Yeah, yeah, it's like soy sauce. Yeah, it's an ancient Chinese secret for sure. Woo! So you start playing the record. So this is the part that gets erased. So Jay said...

You had to argue. You had to fight. Yeah, Jay was like, I don't know. I was like, yo, that girl Rihanna's dope. Been playing it on the radio. She's getting good reactions. I think you should sign up. And it was like a little iffy. Like, I don't know. Maybe the song might be bigger than her not sure we had an argument like I'm telling you she's dope out thinking Caribbean by the way that's a

good point though so I'm being bigger than her she definitely surpassed all that yeah time that song was way bigger a lot of people come out with a song like that and never could follow it right so we had we had this argument, and I'm thinking Caribbean vibes. I'm like, I could break this artist. Because that's what I do. Jay's at the helm of Def Jam at this point. That's why he's got to have an artist. He was the president of Def Jam.

Did he have Rock Out Familiar at that time, too? No, this is after that. It was forming at the same time. That's why I was working with him. The only reason I say that is because, because remember when they first came to Caravana, that's when like Tierra Marie and all them people came.

That's the funny thing. I was just talking about the party I was just at, right? I mean, not just at. Back in the days when I'm thinking about you guys and I think it was me and Ike from Def Jam

and we went to the party. Big up Ike. Yeah. We went to the party. Here's the funny shit. The closer was Tierra Marie. The opener was Rihanna. Yeah.

So we went and we saw and i don't know why i was like i fucked up because i was supposed to do a record with her and i was like i saw the stardom right there and i and what i'll tell you this when tiara marie got off that stage the whole club followed her wow and i don't know if that rihanna no tiara marie but i don't know because i don't i have nothing and i've never physically been in the same room with Rihanna that I know of. But as an artist, I can look at that and see that motivation. Like, what? Do you know what I'm saying?

I can see. If she used to ever say, yo, I went to a party one night and the whole club damn near followed this one act. I wanted to be this shit. I can say I was at that part you know I'm saying I was there because I was you know I really go as a fucking uh uh uh fan like the other day this is crazy um I'm in uh racket and kick a pre comes like yo come say what's up to me but I was like if I say what's up to you kick a pre then I'm gonna lose my spot to watch you I want to stay in my spot to watch him more than I would a little kid.

I'm going to say something to you when you die. I'm that much of a fan. I really didn't want to lose my spot. I said, I got your phone number, dude. I really was like, yo, I'm going to stay in my head. I don't know. I'm just saying, you know, I'm that much of a fan. You know what's wild?

Also, the Ponder Replay video was shot in Toronto, too. Get out of here. You know what I'm saying? So when you go in there, like, I'm in that video, but it's like, there's like, it's basically like all Toronto people in there. Why? This is what I'm saying, man.

People not giving us our fucking credit. Right. Yo. I'm not, listen. They, my, people was rooting for her. They was going to sign her.

I know. I look Jay-Z in the face and we had an argument about why he should sign her. Right. And then. And his argument was not should sign her. Right? And then... And his argument was not to sign her? No, no, he was like...

He was just fucking with you because you like... No, he was like, I don't know if the record is bigger than her. I don't know if we should sign her as an artist or if it's just a song.

A single deal? Listen, he was president of the company. We were having an A&R president argument. Right. But it was so weird because it was in the vestibule, like the outside... Are you an A&R of Denjen

at this point? Syke had his pockets in everybody. I mean, come on. You were the one who just said it. I don't remember exactly if I had already gotten the job. I think I got the job because of Rick Ross and Rihanna. For real? At Denjen at one point.

Yeah, yeah. I did have a job as an A&R. I don't know if it was at that moment. It was right around the same time. I'm going to tell you another story. So, whatever. So, she gets the deal, right? We're the shit to her.

He's on her record. I broke the record. She loves us to death. We go to Toronto to shoot the video. I'm the DJ in the video about, hey, Mr. DJ, that's me. He's fucking dancing in the video. No, but like, who did the video? I'm the DJ. He's dancing DJ That's me He's fucking Dancing in the video No but like Who did the video

I'm the DJ He's dancing I think Lil X did it Yo Lil X Lil X fucked up Two of my videos First videos

Like Lil X's From him Like the Sean Paul video That Lil X got famous from Looks exactly like Cardi's video Because that's where

He got his Broke his Cut his teeth On doing Cardi videos And then that's where he broke his teeth when doing Cardi videos and then he blew up and you know what I'm saying he made all these videos so we go back to Toronto where they from we shoot the shit she wanted this is where I fucked up I know exactly where I fucked up she wanted you to manage up she wanted me to DJ go on a tour with her and I did it I had Stockholm Syndrome at Hot 97

Stockholm Syndrome what does 97. Stockholm Syndrome? What is that thing? Kidnap. I was a prisoner, but I loved my captain. Oh shit, I heard of that. You loved the person that kidnapped you. Holy shit, this is ill. We try to do that to everybody at QuickChance. You have Stockholm Syndrome right now.

So there we go. So she wanted me to DJ. I didn't do it. I put my boy Max Glazer on. But were you on tour with Lil' Kim at that time or no? No, no, that was way after. Okay, I got that. I was just moving a lot at the radio station,

and I thought I should have left. I should have went on tour with Rihanna. I fucked up. You should have. Anyway, another thing that happened right before we get to it, just a sidebar. Like last year when Jay-Z put out 444, he was on Saturday Night Live. And the second song he performed was with Damian Marley. And I'm sitting, I was at there because I

toured with Michael Che from SNL. So I was at the show and I'm looking on stage and I see Jay and I see Damian Marley and I go, oh shit, I introduced them to each other in fucking 05 or some shit. Hot Night Jamaica? No, it was at BB King's. Okay, in5 or some shit. Hot Night Jamaica? No, it was at BB King's. Okay, in my mind, it was Hot Night Jamaica. And Foxy was performing, and Foxy was signing to Jay-Z, and then Damian Marley was performing, and I was like,

Jay, you got to meet this dude, this Bob Marley. Sonny got one of the hottest reggae records. Welcome to Jam Rock Fire. Junior Gone. I introduced them to each other. And then years later, we tried to sign Damian Marley. The Marley family was like, we don't sign to rappers. Stop. Anyway, but the deal was closed.

So that's how I got a job because I brought Rick Ross, Rihanna, Damian Marley, and I was part of True Life situation. And so I go to SNL and I see both of them. I said, yo, Damian, you remember I introduced you to each other. And they were like, oh shit, that's right. And I was like, you motherfuckers always forget my fucking part.

You forget my part. But anyway, so yeah. So then after Rihanna gets signed, you know what Carabana is in Toronto, right? Of course. It's the fucking craziest West Indian festival. We've been trying to go over there. It's the crazy shit. I'll be honest, I got one thing to say.

Please remember everything you're about to say. Yeah. Okay. Ladies. When you get dressed up in the suit, I don't like when you put on sneakers. What do you mean? Like, I don't like when you put on sneakers. What do you mean? What's that? I don't like the sneaker shit.

Sometimes at carnival they got a clue, man. You sexy up until your ankle. You talking about the carnival outfit? Yeah, and you can't go out back in the street, man. I ain't got no fucking wild clocks on. Like, what you want me to do? What you want me to do? What you want me to do?

What you want me to do, motherfucker? What you want me to do? You got no seven years old boomers. Bitch, make skin changes. Come on. You got no eight seven-year-old woman. Bitch, make skin check that out. You know, you got the A-force ones and shit like that. Come on, you sexy all the way to here. Keep go through with the whole shit.

Wear some sexy flats, if that's the case. Wear some sexy flats. My G, but they got to be, yo, they're like doing like 10, 15 miles. They can't do that in no place. Listen, my nigga, listen, listen. Yeah. It fucks me up. They got to figure it out.

Because I be looking at the camera, and I be like, listen. It fucks me up. They gotta figure it out. Because I be looking at the camera, and I be like, no, no feet. I can't look. It's just awkward. You can't look past that? I can't stand stripper shoes when they fucking toes go on top of the chest. You gotta go all the way through with it for me.

Like, I be seeing the real, real career ones. They be having the good flats on. That's a lie. No, I'm telling you, I've been studying. Not seven miles. I don't know about the seven miles. I think they're just being a little wild. Any time that, any time that like you're playing mass, like you, you know what I'm saying?

Like you, you're doing the whole route. And it's like, I've done that whole route fam. And it's like, I wouldn't do it in anything less than six hours. It's the Puerto Rican Day Parade, man. I'll be honest. Wilder, yo. I'm trying to give them the distance. Yeah. That whole real fam and it's like I wouldn't do it in anything and then you got Pumas nigga, like you got a motherfucking Tom Joneses. Like come on my dude. I wanna see this everything, like I wanna see this fantastic. I don't even know what they make us drink more Tom Joneses. But go ahead and then keep a game in sight. Let's leave it from there.

So then, so Jay-Z's president of Def Jam, Rihanna's out, Tia Marie's out, Foxy Brown, a couple other things. They want to do this whole big Caravan of Takeover. I go up there with them, with the whole Rockefeller family, Jay-Z, Jay Brown, everybody. Of course, they got to hit this guy.

Tell them what you do. I got the wild call. Murdered it. Who was Jay's manager at the time? What was his name? John Manili. John Manili. He was my accountant as well. Jay was getting so much money, he fired himself.

And he started working for Jay. Wow, that's interesting. Very interesting. That's how much money Jay was getting. He's an all-out accountant. Hey, I'm fired. Hey, my God. He said, I'm fired.

I'm going to work for Jay. He's like, Jesus. And then I I'm fired. He said, I'm fired. I'm going to work for Jay-Z. Jesus. And then I hired you. How much money is he getting? I was motherfucking out of this world. I have moments. So he helped, it was Theo or Morgan. Shout out to Theo. Theo Suttermeyer?

He's flossing out here. I've been following him. I've been following Theo since 98. So he tried to save you. I've been with Theo since Theo used to be at the shows and stuff. I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since he was a kid.

I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since he was a kid. I've been with Theo since heossing out here. I've been with Theo since 98. Somebody tried to say it. I've been with Theo since Theo used to be at shows in like Timberlands and shit like that. You know what I'm saying?

I've been with Theo when he had mad underground MCs on his roster. You brought shit on him recently. You heard that? No. He said it. Theo's a man. Big up to you But anyway So they're like Yo they want you to Be like a surprise guest So like you gotta

Hold it down You can't tell nobody But they want you A Rihanna set So here's the thing It was supposed to be Rihanna Tierra Marie

I don't Was Aztec supposed to perform Aztec I don't know He was there I don't remember So anyways Them two for sure Jay said he wasn't. He was there, I thought. Wasn't he? I don't remember. So, anyways, them two for sure.

Jay said he wasn't performing. Kanye was there. Said they weren't performing. They were doing a TV show, like, all of hip-hop. Yeah, the media circle. R&B TV show, media. We were going to all these TV shows. And then there was this one big party.

It was like in a... Nah, they took over a parking lot, yo. Yeah, a whole parking lot. Yeah, they just took it over. What's wild is, like, earlier that day, that's the first time I met him and like imagine the first time i'm meeting jay-z he's like yo i want to thank you for being a part of that rihanna shit and i'm like all right but in my brain i'm like you know like that's wild crazy to me you know what i'm saying didn't cross your mind like hold hold me a favor immediately like you might just that's. But you know what I'm saying? So, like, he was, like, real super appreciative.

And it was crazy. But, yeah, like, we came out. Syfe, you know what I'm saying? Syfe DJ'd for me. And you mashed up the place. Yo, it was crazy. Did I say it correct? No, it was.

You said it okay, but you didn't say it with enough oomph of what he did. Okay, so say it again. How should I say it? He was, yeah. Yo, this is my. Mashed up the place? Yeah. Oh, Lord, so say it again. How should I say it? He was. This is my show. The place. Yeah, this is.

This is how you know how come they don't do this shit to Cubans. Yeah, it was. Here's the thing. I mean, we did it to keep it. Listen, they know who Cardi is. You know, it's crazy. Every time you say Cardi, a lot of people was going to listen to this and they're going to think we told them that this ever bothered me.

Make sure we stick to you. You don't like that. Yeah, I got it. So do you ever like, hear people calling on Cardi and like, does it feel? It was weird at first because you gotta think, I think in like one year there was like,

Playboy Cardi, Cardi B. Oh, I didn't even think that. There was a next Cardi from like the Midwest. In like, within like one year span, I went from having this original name to like four big-ass artists like with the name so imagine if somebody came out the name was they call themselves Norris I don't like DJ Norris, DJ Norris ain't gonna change your name DJ Norris

Yeah DJ Norris He's my man but I don't like it though I just wanna be honest about it I'm used to it now but but you know what I'm saying? People that call me Cardi, for me, it's kind of like, I know where you come from. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's true. His name is Cardi now, but Cardi's the nickname. But these other people, that's their rap name.

Right, right, right. So it's weird. Is there any specific pronunciation in Cardinal? I feel like I've heard it before. I try to almost do it phonetically, you know what I'm saying?

Because we had Tory Lanez and I said Cardinal and he said Cardinal. Well, here's the thing. Like, I'm, you're first generation Cuban, right? Yeah.

I'm first generation Jamaican and like where I come from, like, not to go too political but what happened was not the trudeau that's in there now but his father back in the 70s they had this whole campaign to where they went to the caribbean and they were enticing all the people from the caribbean to come up to canada you know i'm saying to start a new life and that's pretty much like how my family ended up um coming up to canada and how a lot

of people came to Canada. Because what it was, was it was like, they called it like the great brain drain. So it's like at the time there were a lot of professionals, you know what I'm saying? Doctors, professors, teachers from Jamaica and the Caribbean period. And everybody came up to start a better life in Toronto. So that's why you have such a big Caribbean population, you know what I'm saying, that was in Toronto. But same, again, same thing was happening, you know, London, you know what I'm saying, Brooklyn, Miami. London don't got poutine. Nah, but they got fish and chips though.

Poutine. Poutine. I ain't gonna lie. I fucks with poutine. You do. You fucks with it. I fucks with poutine. Mad random Canadian fact.

All your drink chaps listeners are like, the fuck is poutine? Exactly. You know what poutine is? Look it up. Look it up. It's like fries with gravy and cheese. I know poutine from New Orleans though. What do you think about that?

You are disrespectful right now. I'm just being honest. That was not the answer. I know it wasn't. Oh, you know what? Actually, I lie. I lie. But it was in the French area when we went to Canada.

Huh, Quebec, good. When we went on tour in Canada. Good clean up. Yes. Good clean up. No, no, that's what that look, but it is in New Orleans because there's a French influence there. Yeah, but I'm saying, when you, and I think of poutine, first of all, first I had poutine,

it was like, the promoters were so excited, it was like, we're gonna bring you to the poutine. I'm like, I'm digging this weed and shit. I'm down. Oh, you know, Cuban the poutine. I'm digging this weed and shit. I'm down. Well, you know, Cuban's poutine is another thing. A little different. A little different. I know, but when I was like, yo, every place, you know, as a foodie, every place has their little dish, their little thing.

You know what I'm saying? Like when I go to Jamaica, I like roti. No, no, no, no. Trinidad is roti. Okay, Tr, I like roti. No, no, no. Trinidad is roti. Okay, Trinidad is roti. Don't eat any roti from Jamaica. What do I eat? Fucking Jamaica.

But there is roti in Jamaica. Yeah, but it's a Trini bread. Yeah, Trini bread. Whatever the fuck the national dish is everywhere, as long as it ain't corn, I'm up with it. If you go to Jamaica, it depends. Obviously, the national dish is acan soft fish. Of course, it depends. Obviously, the national dish is Akean sawfish. Of course. So if it's not Akean sawfish, then it's hawk's tail,

cod liver, jerk chicken, quesadilla. Jerk human is out there. You can do anything. Wow, jerk human. Did you see the guy? He just got caught for eating 27 delivery pizza guys. And you're putting that on Jamaica? No, no, no. This is crazy. He caught for eating 27 delivery pizza guys No, he was a camera who's eating them this is real I don't know Cardo about his name. We didn't win any. Yeah, it's okay. I have the most slaughtered name of any MC in the world. I gave the world slime.

And there's 900 niggas named slime. And not one of them say Nori gave me this. Not one of them. Like, listen, you can actually Google the facts from 2001 to 2004. There was no one saying slime. I put that on a record from a a reunion album and you can Google that The good shit about hip-hop is they invite me immediately They let me live and they didn't know and then five years later these things are saying like a

Couple of gang members started saying and they use it which is which is great, slang is slang, slang is supposed to be used whichever way. You know what I'm saying? I said water and people still don't know what the fuck I meant. You know what I'm saying? It's water. No, no, I'm talking about the end pay the falls, water. Niggas be like, what the fuck? You know what I mean, right? Niggas be like, nigga, you don't know what I mean.

I ain't know what I mean. I was just slinging it out, what the fuck is he talking about? You know what I mean? But it's hip hop. You know what I'm saying? It's hip hop. So now, I ain't going to lie. I Googled you, right? And like I Google everybody else.

And I'm searching for the negativity. Of Cardinal? Well, I know his negativity. Yeah, you know him. You know him. So I'm searching. Yeah. his negativity. So I'm searching. And literally the only negative

of your whole career, your whole thing is The City Is Mine. Is that it? Is that the name of the song? Yep. So Drake had a song called The City Is Mine.

You being a Jamaican, you being an official hip-hop historian, you got on this beat and you made it yours that's what you googled? no that's what I came up with myself that's what I came up with myself

this is what I came up with myself this is the new up and coming guy he gets on an interview and says I was mad because you did that right any other time this is some normal thing yeah work now I have to ask I really don't know I'm being honest I have to ask were you getting on that beat being

disrespectful or you was just this was something so this is real honest we do another shot we're doing another shot shot in between I need this answer so never never spoke on this probably never will again but

what's interesting is like Drake I used to live at that time I used to live in a neighborhood called Oakwood

and Vaughn and Drake used to live not too far away I think he was still in Forest Hill at the time. Forest Hill.

Okay. All right. And there was a guy. In my mind, this is the queen's part of Canada. Stop, stop. That's like. There was a guy from my crew at the time, Ro Dollar, who was like, he came to me one day. He was like, yo, there's this rap.

Like, he was going crazy. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, yo, you have to check this nigga out. You have to check him out. I was like, all right, cool. And he's like, yo, he's on Degrassi, whatever. Now, here's the thing. In 2019, 2020, it makes perfect sense.

At the time, I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? He takes out Degrassi. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I've never seen Degrassi. But he was like, nah. So here's the other thing that people have to understand. At that time, Degrassi was like

the number one show between, for ages like 12 to 18. But we grew up on Degrassi in Canada. Like, we had Degrassi since I was like a little kid. Okay, sorry.

So for me and Naeem, because I really don't know, that is a Canada soap opera? It's a kid show. You're like, okay, we have a kid soap opera. Can we have something in the U.S.? The Grassy Junior Opera? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's the same one. It's the same one. It's the same one. I was in America when I came to America. It was the same show. They just played it in America. It was a Canadian show. Because I heard that.

Yeah. Used to shoot. It was like a kid's show, but kind of like a little soap opera, but with messages. And he was a wheelchair dude, right? He got shot. Eventually. he got shot in the show so yo so he was you know so rose like yo like this is the guy so you know i remember i was like yo tell him to come through the crib because you know you know i mean he didn't live too far and i had a studio in the crib so he came to check me Or whatever And you know

It was a thing So it was interesting Because at the time Like I don't personally know Why he doesn't You know And that's up to him Like he's a grown man

But his story Is mad interesting You know what I'm saying Like it wasn't just Always like roses Like he really You know what I'm saying Like grinded it out

And like did a lot Of different shit You know what I'm saying And it's like When he came to the crib You know he played me His mixtape he's like yeah people are fronting on my mixtape actually now he left it at the crib and i'm like yo i'm gonna check it you know i mean anybody hurt or just yes i'm gonna say that's that's out mad you know i'm saying like one of the early ones but it was a thousand percent fire a thousand percent of fire so you know i'm saying

he was like yo i would love it you know i'm saying he was like yo i would love it you know i'm saying if you could get on the city is mine joint i'm like all right cool so i did my verse you know i'm saying that's how i got the shit open i did my verse and i sent it to them you know i'm saying and basically like i don't know what happened after that, but I was like, yo, here's the shit. Check it out. Sent it to them. Whatever happened, happened. I don't need to go, like... But for the sake of hip-hop,

for the sake of this show. Yeah. Only for the sake of those things. Only for the sake of this. Because we need to address this, because I literally, this is the only confusing thing that I can see in your career that's not. Do you think, and this is your honest opinion, you think you smoked it?

What, the verse? Yeah. I mean, I just did my thing. Because I would do that. If I was coming up, I ain't going to lie. It's like, nigga, smoke me. Fuck it. This nigga not on this record no more.

I would do that. I'm not going to lie. All right, so you think that was the issue? I'm asking, do you think that was the issue? Well, I'm just saying, I just want to jump in before any answer comes out. I like psycho shots. Let's get psycho shots. Yo, yo, yo, yo.

Yo, yo, yo. Yo, yo, yo. This man right here, Cardinal Fischel, he's my friend. He's my brother. He's dirty wines on beats. This is my brother. When it comes to studio time, there's no,

you can't even talk. I'll be like, yo, what we gonna get to? He's like, you see me pacing and writing right now. Don't talk to me. Like, the nigga smokes everything.

The reason why he's not considered the greatest that he should be is because his shit is so ill that you gotta listen ten times before you even fucking understand it. So, did he smoke that? I'm gonna say yes, I don't even remember it because he smokes everything. He doesn't fucking play in that booth. I think we gotta make a little exact. Play in that Yo, Cardi has five different fans that is hilarious to watch him walk down the street Right because they be like just Jamaican fans and then I Yo, that's my MC my DJ up and just straight Jamaican shit, then there's like

Brooklyn backpack niggas bootcamp niggas and they be like yo card now Yo, you get illest one nigga, you know, and then there's white girls that like the dangerous song like oh my god It's so dangerous So you see them people walk up to like like when we in the airport or some shit And I'll be like oh he's gonna be a Jamaican fan He's gonna be a real rap fan you know what I mean It's the illest shit So that's how I answer your question So you think

Let me ask you No no no I want to keep it to you Cause you ain't never really speak speak about this So in your opinion do you think that They got the joint you smoked this verse and they didn't want to use it no it was never nothing like that to be honest like it was just here's the thing like so when they didn't use you threw it out huh you threw it out yourself no it wasn't even like you have to understand like at that time like i didn't even know like

you know like he was definitely, like, going for it. But it's not like at the time he was, like, where he is now. Like, he was just starting out. So it was something to where it's like I respected it and I told him, like, he, like, trust me, he'll be in this seat one day. He needs to be. Because I think that he really needs to tell people, you know what I mean, like, all sides of it. But it's like, yo, he is been one of the nicest. Like, nice.

Like, people don't understand. He was what people would consider like a backpack rapper. Like, straight, just bars. You can tell. He's a student of the game. That's where he comes from. So, I mean, so here's the thing. I went away on tour.

When I came back, you know, my guys was like, yo, blah, blah, blinders. Whatever the fuck mix-up was going on but I come from a generation where like we just like this is pre social media all that internet shit or whatever I'm like yo I called up the man I'm like yo we got up we got to go talk this out see what I want so I went down to studio Socrates was there you know I'm saying And we went down And like whatever Like the funny thing was I know what you're talking about

Because that's the only Negative shit that ever comes up I never watched that post Until like 15 years later So I had no idea What he said But to me As the OG

Like it wasn't important So we went down And you know what I'm saying We spoke about it And you know We just talked it out And it was just You know what I'm saying

It was so random Like like literally that day. But what was the actual beef? It wasn't that it wasn't actually a beef. Okay. And that's the thing. That's the thing that like now we can laugh about. That verse was never supposed to come out of yours. I have no, listen, I did the verse, hold that. Everything else after that, like it was what it was. What are you saying? said no because I'm wondering how did it come out because I mean did did one of your can't link it that happens I gave it to them you gave it to them mailed it to them hold this

all right you understand I'm saying so it's like whatever happened after that like this whatever like to me I'm like yo dude do whatever you want to do with it you know I'm saying but so you're asking if you released it yeah, like how did they come on they didn't use it on the actual album and I don't even know if it was out like he wasn't making albums at those times I was like, you know, I'm trying to say like the whatever whatever thing though Here's the thing we went down and we talked it out and this is important because I know a lot of times You know, I listen to the show like every single week. We respect you. And I always listen to my...

I'm not worried at all. He's the original Drink Champ army. I listen to all the discussions about like young generation, old generation. And the conversation that we had was like a precursor

to like a Drink Champs type of thing because I'm like, yo, when I was a kid, I didn't know how old Chuck D was. I didn't know how old Big Daddy Kane was, Ice Cube. It wasn't a thing.

It didn't matter. Yo, who cared? Like, I was like. Was it dope or was it not dope? You know what I'm saying? But the thing is, though, he came up at a time when, for whatever reason, they paid close attention to how old somebody was, this, that, whatever. Well, that's the first diss. Like, when a person is fat.

Fat nigga. Like, that's the first thing you can say. You know what I'm saying? You wear glasses. Four eyes. Like, you know what I'm saying? But that's battleship, though. That'm saying? But that's battleship. That's a simplistic way of thinking.

Like whatever's in your foresight, you just boom. But the dope thing was when we went down to the studio, we had a great conversation and that's how we ended up doing a song together that's called The Last Hope. And that's on his mixtape called Comeback Season. So the thing is it's like me and me and Drake never have no

no beef. You understand what I'm saying? Like it was some random miscommunication shit and like even on that video or whatever like you know what I'm saying? Like it's

it's soft. You understand what I'm saying? Like it's just The video was ironic. I'll tell you why. Because he's talking about you because obviously I had to look at, the video was ironic. I'll tell you why. Because he's talking about you. Because obviously, I had to look at it. I was like, oh, shit, I totally forgot about that.

But when I looked at it, and he says, he says, yeah, because he's the OG. I see him open up for Jay-Z. And I see him do records with the Clips and Pharrell. And then he goes, but now I'm doing records with the Clips. And I was like, wow, this he goes. But now I'm doing records with the clips. And I was like, wow. This is crazy. This is the only person that put a damage in his unmarked skin.

Like that one pimple came from a piece of, which is heat. And it was crazy. Like in the midst of him beeping with two. I don't know what the fuck. I was just, I don't know. That shit was just ill to me. Like, I was just like, wow. I mean, yo, it's wild.

And, you know, like, listen, at the end of the day, like, me and him are good. I think it was the first OVO Fest that he brought me out and the rest of that shit. And I DJ'd.

Wow. I ain't get it. I mean, if you ain't get anybody at OVO Fest, man. My fella needs to be cleared up. Well, he ain't inviting us to everything, we ain't getting invited to OVO Fest, man. My fellow needs to be cleared up. Well, you've been inviting us

to everything he's doing every year. Yeah, come on. Listen, I need to, yo, I need to mind some time.

Get their passport. Yo, I have a passport. Yo, you guys can talk. I just came from Dominican Republic. You guys need to reach.

A Christmas party every year is the most vital shit. But, you know, here's the thing that you need to understand about me at the end of the day. Like,

whether it be, and, you know, you can do any type of research, like like whether it's drake whether it's um canine whether it's i don't know like mad people like i'm somebody that i'm gonna do a joint with you if you're from my city right because at the end of the day like i'll be honest the reason why i came up with the song that's called bacardi slang and when i first came out and the hook said everybody knows it's the T-Dot it was not about me it's about my city because I grew up hearing

like you know MC Lyte saying kick this one for Brooklyn like I always heard MCs rep where they from whether it's West Coast you know Brooklyn Queens like I grew up listening to Juice Crew All Stars and all that shit what year was it I'm saying? What year was it? I'm sorry to bounce around, but what year was it when people thought that you and Drake was beefing? Was that 2010? Mmm, I don't know. Well, around that time, this is the crazy shit. No, no, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure when the time it was, but I remember going to Canada and me saying, like, um, what's going on to the 6? And they was like, nah, this is the T-Doc. And I was like, i didn't know it was because i had older fans or whatever but i did not keep saying the six i stopped that yeah but you know what i said twice the thing is like i personally don't care if you call it yo we have so many nicknames screw face capital major city t dot the six whatever as long as you're big enough

toronto i don't really business you know what i know saying the thing is sure you're gonna have people from my generation like it's nostalgic Yeah, so it's like you know when I came out with joints like Bacardi slang all-time killing or you know Oh I'm gonna get to something in a second. Okay when we get to the grinding remix. When we got to the grinding remix. I'm going to take a peep this man. Yo, EFN as a DJ, who had the better grinding remix? Oooh. Salud. Oh yes, aah.

You guys talk about that when I go take a pee. The grinding remix of whata T, Joe? Before we get to that, I want to address that video. Or address the issues. You think Drake and Pusha, who did you think won? Here's the thing. I plead the fifth when it comes to that That was a great answer But The only thing is

I accept that from you But Listen Okay I am always gonna defend Toronto I like I love that You know what I'm saying

I'm always gonna defend Toronto So The thing is Of course like The clips like You know Malice and Pusher Like

Listen When I met When I met Pharrell Cause it was actually Pharrell That was the one that spearheaded that, he was in Toronto. Spearheaded the beef? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like the Grinding remix, because he was in Toronto promoting like some N.E.R.D. shit.

And we was at this one club. I was going up the VIP entrance. He was coming out of the VIP and we literally just faced we literally just faced off you know I'm saying he was like Yo, I fucks with your shit. Now. I was like Obviously is for else. I'm like word. He's like yo, I fucks with it. Yeah for real This is this is right like grinding to tell us drop No But like yo, he was like yo, I I want you to be on this grinding remix.

And you know as well as I do, a lot of niggas will just say some shit. You're like, all right, cool, whatever. Yeah, that's true shit. Yo, this nigga FedExed the shit. That's how old you know him. Yo, FedExed. The nigga FedExed the shit. Oh, okay.

You had a 2X rail? You had the rail? My nigga did. You hit the little door? FedExed the real door. The little door. Actually, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was at a time we were using this.

That's okay. But he FedExed it to me. I literally did my grind up reverse in 15 minutes. Send that shit back. And that's how I met the clips. And you know what I'm saying? We did all that shit. But I've been knowing those guys from that time.

So when the push know, when the pushing Drake beef, you know, went off, like, for me, I gotta be Team Toronto all day. All day. To the end, you know what I'm saying? Like, it is what it is. Would you do a verse? If Drake would have called you and said, listen, man, it's on. Mm-hmm. We invaded

America. What do you mean? Fuck these niggas. Me, you, Tory Lanez, and we grabbing a couple other niggas and we setting them.

I'm in there, B. You got it. I'm in there, B. I'm in there. Yo, listen. I want you to listen. I ain't no friend. Y'all can hold y'all

country down. Listen, now that I think about it, y'all think this is lockdown from Toronto to Vancouver and y'all really don. Listen, now that I think about it, y'all think this could lock down from Toronto to Vancouver, and y'all really don't need us. No, that's not true. Well, here, I went too far.

We don't know. We don't know. We went too far. I don't know. I mean, you know what? I always felt like Texas artists never needed to promote outside of Texas. That is true.

That is true. In my opinion. There's no infrastructure. There's no. Like, you look at these guys. Most of these guys are rich in Texas. And you've never even heard. And you're from the South, too.

Let me tell you something. The city of Toronto is my favorite place on the planet. Next to London and Tokyo. It is the most fire-ish city. I love going there. Vancouver's dope, too. There's a couple other cities that are dope. But there's no people in the middle.

So I'm like, it's a huge country, but it doesn't have the population that we have. You know what I'm saying? What you talking about? They don't got a lot of us? No, just people. In the middle? People.

Like, neighbors? No. All kinds of people. The population of Canada is not that much. I know this one we need to know. The population of Canada is solid. We're going to bring some Puerto Ricans out there. They're going to start fucking everything. The entire population lives within 100 miles of the border.

The entire population lives within 100 miles of the Canadian-American border. So north of that, it's nothing. It's land. So although the country is actually bigger than America It's not populated because it's cold as coal Forested all that shit, so they ain't really nowhere or no need to live up, but Toronto is the shit And I used to be that used to be my little secret hideaway. That was my desert oasis has the baddest bitches On the planet I used to go to Toronto

The baddest chicks Great food The best parties Because Caribbean music Is in the mainstream It's not like Miami up north. You don't hear a Caribbean set during a party.

He did not agree with you, by the way. No, no, no. I know what you're saying. No, because you have to go to a Caribbean party in Miami. Right? You know what I'm saying? No, no. In Miami, no.

Caribbean, we are Caribbean. Right. We feel like we're in the Caribbean. The music should... But there's a lot more Spanish influence here. There's not? Yes. I mean, yeah, but no.

Haitian, Jamaican. Of course, yes. In the music scene, though, a lot of Spanish music comes from here. But they don't play all Spanish music in Toronto. Yeah, it's Spanish music. Hey, guys, Spanish music is also in the Caribbean as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's not be idiots.

You go to a pop Saturday night white boy party and reggae music is all intertwined in that shit. It's not like, ew, why are they playing reggae? It's in the mix. It's a part of the culture. It's a part of the culture. So three people ruined Toronto for me.

Three fucking people? Cardi's one of them, but Little X ruined it little X Ruined it because little X got so fucking director not to be confused No, sorry the director X is maybe now direct x but little X not to be confused with ecstasy neither He was bringing all the Toronto chicks to be in the videos, and everybody was like, who the fuck are those girls? Okay? Then Vince Carter, when he was on the Raptors, he was getting all the club. What about Hollywood?

Hollywood was shooting mad films in Toronto. Yeah, but they didn't say it was New York. Payton Fall was shot in Toronto. A lot of people don't know that. Most of them are as New York. But they didn't say it was Toronto. They were hiding it. So you're saying that doesn't count? Doesn't count for ruining it.

It counts for the city. It doesn't count for ruining it for me. Sorry, sorry. Stick a pin in that. You know what's wild is I rewatched Payton Full a couple weeks ago. What's hilarious is all these characters, all Toronto niggas, Mystery Pressure was in the fucking movie, bro. Oh yeah? Same nigga we was talking about. He was in the fucking movie bro. Oh, yeah, see me who is talking about he was in the movie Oh, yeah, I would love you like a prominent role to like you say

Like the major like when they recreated New York They couldn't recreate it because those areas look like now they always shoot into the golden to go to Toronto I swear to God like I was scheduled. That's the reason the role I got I was scheduled to go there and death That was a time for it. So I said no no Because of little X that's how he blew up a son so he's not one so it's just two more people left So little X Vince Carter he had he had owned the club and had all the NBA players Inside the club and they're all you guys around a bitch until this day I say I'm gonna say at least a quarter of the NBA players when they have a bad bitch wife

They'll be like you don on, my wife's from Toronto. Mm. Then, and then Drake came on and then just destroyed it. Drake brought all, like, destroyed. Like, I know niggas in the hood in New York where all they ever used to do was go to Miami. Now they be like, yeah, now we gonna go to Toronto, son. Well, they also end up in Miami. They do come to Miami.

Drake moved to Miami for a minute. Yeah, they go back, then they go back. They used to live in Miami a lot. Yeah, and they still live in Miami. They all come to Miami. Move to Miami for a minute. Yeah, they go back, then they go back. They used to lie on the law. Yeah, and they're in Miami. They all come to Miami. Yeah, yeah. We're in Miami. We're in Miami.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had no work in Miami. You ain't telling us about it. No, no, no. Now, you worked on the Chappelle show. Yeah. Doing skits or DJing? DJing.

He was DJing. But he jumped. You could have done skits. I DJ it was DJ but you know you've heard of skits I've got yes Stockholm Syndrome every time they've asked me to be in a sketch I was on the radio and I was like I can't do it I'm a dickhead you're a dick did you know you were being sick and I know I had Stockholm Syndrome I was a slave to how to accept it. Oh, it was literally because of your job. Yes. So you could have been in the Ashley Larry skit. There's three.

You could have played ball with Prince. I was in a couple of them. You're an asshole for that. For yourself. I know. It's why I'm here. I feel bad for you in retrospect. Three shots. I got a thousand of these stories. No shot, sweet shot. This is the last shot. Does the more take more?

I got a thousand of these stories of shit I missed. No, no, no. There is tiger bone. Hold up a second. Okay. What was I drinking? This man went to the secret stash. The Chappelle Show.

Yeah. Wow. So I would like to establish this. Yeah. So even though you turned down the skits, did you ever see the skits? Did you ever see the skits? Did you ever see the skits? Did you ever see the skits?

Did you ever see the skits? Did you ever see the skits? Did you ever see the skits? Did you ever see the skits? Did you ever see the skits? Did you turned down the skits, did you ever see the skits? All of them. All of them? All of them. So you had to play the music according to the skits? No, no, no.

How did this work? No, no, no. They would shoot the sketches and then they would get an audience. You know the part where he's on stage introducing the sketches? Yeah. I was the DJ of that part. Wow. So I was the DJ for the audience.

Right. So like I'd introduce it. Like come again. Yeah. But they didn't show me like he could bring. Yeah. Yeah. Way more shine.

But yeah. But so yeah. I was the DJ of that part. So we would see all the sketches before they aired. Wow. So. Like backstage or like with the. With the audience.

Okay. With the audience. Wow. But yeah? But Dave Dave me and Dave used to fuck around he used to do like a half-hour warm-up before we even started taping and me I Would play music and that's what a little John sketch came from because I would take a acapella little John and What okay, and he was imitating it and then he started doing a little John impression And then he was like yo, can Yo, can you get Lil Jon?

GFC, get him the fuck in. Sorry, sorry, man. Today is too much for me. We got one more. I don't mind. So then Dave was like, yo, you funny. You should do comedy. Right.

Wait, so that's when you got to do comedy? I didn't do it at the time. I should have, but that's when he was like, yo, you got to talent. Wait, so you weren't doing at all comedy? No. That was not a part of your portfolio? Not at all. It was just, I was just funny.

I was like road trip funny. Funny, you know what I mean? My friends. Right. And he used to be like, nah, you got something. You should do comedy. Dave Chappelle told you that? Dave Chappelle.

Probably you can't open this. Wait a minute. Dave Chappelle told you that? Yeah. And you had to take it serious from then? Well, later on I did. Okay. Continue.

And then, no, so then like, so yeah, so I met Dave back then, but the reason I know Dave is because Dave is a fucking hip hop junkie, yo. Like, it's not even a game with him.

Like, he, like, he to me is a rapper and a comedian. Like, that's all he cares about is music and comedy. Right. You know what I'm saying?

And, uh, Cardi, him and Cardi now got cool. Are we going to have to start calling him Cardio No

That's something different That's an exercise That's an exercise Oh Cardio Oh I didn't realize that That's hard That's my bartender name

They call me Cardio And uh Not the last Not the last special That just came out But the one before that Cardi has the song At the end of the Dave Chappelle special.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we fucking do this shit, man. I would like to. Come on, give him a little bit more than that. Come on. Yeah, give him a shot. Give him a shot. Give everybody.

It's not real liquor. It's not real liquor. It only has ringworm in it. Yeah, whoa. Let's take a little more. I'm taking a little more. You got a little ringworm in your dick. Come on.

I'm taking a little more. I wouldn't mind if you had a little ringworm in your dick. Yo, I mean, Dave Chappelle is my fucking favorite comedian, right? Yo, you know we were supposed to, well, this is what I was told. Maceo from De La Soul said that Dave Chappelle would come with De La Soul. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to say it. No, no, no.

That was supposed to happen. And then whatever the mix-up didn't happen, we had De La Soul anyways. Thank God. Thank God. And we told Dave's story beautifully. Yeah, no, no. It was amazing. It was amazing. But Dave Chappelle, we need you back.

Yeah, so we were supposed to. Not back, but we need you. So I was waiting to go to ATL, right? I have to do some party and shit. And I got my man. He picked me up. I didn't have it because the flight got delayed. So I had no time.

I had just time to drop off my bags. Because I learned from the ATL, drop your bags off. Because they crack heads there. They'll break in your fucking car. Everybody in the ATL is cracking? No, I didn't say that. I'm saying there's crack heads there. That's their hustle.

Like in parking lots. So don't leave nothing. I got caught like that. So I just learned my lesson. So as soon as I landed, I didn't say that I'm saying this crackheads did that's they hustle like in parking lots to only nothing They're like I got caught like that. So I just learned my lesson So I just you know, so that land I said, okay, I can't go straight to the club I gotta go to say we just not a flaw since to be out. Okay, so I had the same reasons So I went to the joint and so I'm a man I don't want to say his name because I don't want to embarrass him. So I don't know.

What's his name? I don't know, definitely not. I don't even know what the hell it is. So I'm smoking, so listen. I order bottles and yeah, I'm saying hello, relax. That was your weed? Because I don't know what the hell it is. I know we smoking this mix.

We don't have no time. We don't have time. We don't have time. We don't have time. We don't have time. We don't have time. We don't have time. We don't have time. We don't have time. We don't have time. We don your weed? Because I don't know what that is. I know we smoking this mix.

Like, I know, but we don't have no time. We literally had to go from the airport hotel club. I go, my favorite comedian in the world walks up to me, Dave Chappelle. The club? The club. Now, contrary to popular belief, I get starstruck too. Like, what the fuck? I've never really met him, and to popular belief, I get starstruck too! Like, what the fuck?

You sure? Like, I've never really met him, and if I did, I don't want memories, so that don't count. So this is my first official time. I'm like, what's up, man? Yeah. They bring me my bottles. As they bring me my bottles, I go, hey! I don't know if he drink or not, but this is the bottle.

Where I'm from, it's the ultimate amount of respect. So I give him a bottle of rose. He's like, yeah, man. And he's just like on like a... He didn't say it like that. I'll give him a bottle of rose Yo Don't you know is it's not a smoke now slowly and then I think Chappelle is right here Would you smoke it on I was not confident in the week Dave Chappelle is right here. And then he said, nigga, what you smoking on? I was not confident in the weed. I was not confident in it for myself.

And then I wore the bags. Cause I was like, yo, the last thing, the last thing I wanted Dave Chappelle was to walk around. That's a thing? Earth.

You're like saying, Mr. Half-Baked, this nigga Nori, I asked him, what we mix? I don't know. walk around earth. You're like saying, Mr. Half-Baked, this nigga Nori out here smoking mints! I don't know! I don't know if he's a high down there, niggas need to check on him. That's how it is here, if you don't smoke weed, you don't really know. You can't be out here smoking mints,

and I'll smoke a mint every now and then, I don't give a fitty duck. You know what I mean? I'm sure every smoker does. Like, if I don't got nothing, You'll smoke a made every now and then. I don't give a fit a duck. You know what I mean? I'm sure every smoker does. Like, if I don't got nothing, I'll smoke a half a good shit. You know what I mean? I'm like, fuck it. I don't know what I'm doing. Like, I'm looking for a smell of this. Like, I might not be looking good to the folks.

But I got to smoke. I stopped smoking cigarettes. Is Miz like dollar pizza? Like, fuck it. No, no, no, no, no. Reggie is like dollar pizza. Miz is like Houston's. Okay.

I'm a prime 112. Mr. Chow type of smoker. But Houston, if you out of town, you might have to go. Houston's good. Houston's that shit. All right. You know what I mean?

That's higher Miz. That's higher Miz. Hold on. I went too far. I like it. It's red lobster. Miz is Hold on, I went too far. I like it. It's Red Lobster. Miz is Red Lobster. OK. Taco Bell.

I love. No, no, no. No, it's above Taco Bell. I thought exactly what you were talking about. It's above Taco Bell. Miz is above Taco Bell. It's above Taco Bell. It's below Taco Bell.

It's, no. It's below. It's below. It's below. And it's like, it's Red Lobster Flanagan's. Flanagan's? Yeah, Flanagan's. Bennegan's? Bennegan's?

Bennegan's. Bennegan's. We don't have Bennegan's anymore. I'm looking for Bennegan's. I love that I know how to speak Nori, son. No, you don't. Nori was my first rapper friend in the game. Wait, wait, wait. Actually, hold on.

For 1.5 seconds, you managed it. Huh? Not managed me. No. Not for nothing. No, he's my A& 1.5 seconds you managed him. Huh? Not managed me. No, he's my A&R. That's you getting confused. No, don't lie to me. No, you got to be kidding me. You had me on a conference call one time and you said, Syph is my manager. Talk to your fans.

No, Jamal. Maybe Jamal. No, Jamal. Jamal's my boss. No, Jamal's his partner. That's you getting confused. Jamal's his partner. Business partner. Business partner say, yeah, that's what you're getting confused. Jamal's his partner. Business partner.

Yeah, yeah. Business partner. You're right. You're saying it about Syker. No, I said Jamal's Syker's partner. He probably said Syker sounds business partner to Jamal. And not sexually. Not sexually.

I didn't know. Because he sounded like... I didn't know. No, no, no. I couldn't believe it. Who? Ace of Spades? No, this is not Miz, man.

I love him. That's Miz? Yeah, I think a lot. You look like you got Miz right. Red Louse is written all over you. I'm not gonna lie to you, bro. That nigga's a geek. So, that's my brother Intellect, man. Cheers up.

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You don't even want to let me talk. I'm going to keep on talking. I got more. I got more. Toronto's in the car. I'm more. I'm running to the car. I'm here. I'm in the back pocket. Hey.

Come on, man. We got to do this ax. Hold up. The Tiger Bones hit me later. I'm sorry. I didn't know that. So what I mean by... Just remember that.

I fucked up. Like, I personally, I've heard of other artists that you named. And EFN co-signed that. And this is a hip-hop historian. I really love doing this show with this man he knows the other parts that I don't know but me personally I have to talk about my own experience first time I heard of Toronto from a music scene or Canada from a music scene is you so although there's people before you and we have to respect that

especially people who identify with this is me i'm just speaking from my experience it was you and there wasn't really nothing else i really heard until dre and now we got tory lanez and now we got a whole bunch of others this is the first time i've been you know like so in tune with it like cypher said i was in tune with the party scene i was in tune every five years all-star weekend or Super Bowl whatever you know something like that or big a caravan like other than that it was just but now it's gonna be like you know like I said like the new Staten Island what I meant was after Wu Tang impact was so crazy the A&Rs was just in Staten Island for no reason they get beat up just after 9- Just after why I've denied small deep and you know the opponent over here and rap annoyed and I can only work people was and left

Back in Queens where it's the same way you do you gonna be fucked up me You know, I mean like the artist is not just walking around. That's it's called a stick-up kid They didn't know that but um, I feel like that's what's gonna happen. What's happening with Toronto? I think already I feel like I feel like I feel like that's what's happening with Toronto. Happened already. I feel like it's going to be even more. You know what I'm saying? Do you feel what I'm saying? I mean, here's the thing that's wild interesting about Toronto now.

And it's like when I first came out versus now, it's like I am one of the few, if not the only one, that literally can bridge the two generations Because it's like I am definitely like Shit happened like Way before the whole Internet era

So there was a lot Of crazy shit That's why But me and Cypher Was walking on the street today We was talking about it Like Here's the thing

Sometimes you walk Or you drive down the street And it's paved You know what I'm saying But you have no idea That before these niggas Paved that street That it was Mad shit going on you know what I mean like it had to jump down shit it was wild shit you know I'm saying

would there be anybody that you would want to represent right now dead before you from Toronto from Canada whatever mad niggas though so like a few of the highlights I mean here's the thing that you got to understand even about me because it's like there's so much history It would literally be an eight-hour drink Yeah, I'm gonna try and condense it as much as I can Socrates out of my crew We had a crew that was formed of two niggas He was the first we I was in he was in so here's the thing

I was in a crew called FOS the figure okay of speech. Okay, okay. And then Chaclare had a crew called Paranormal. Chaclare was also from Canada? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, Chaclare was from Toronto. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

Yeah. That's fucking hell. I guess I knew because I was, yeah. Yeah, so we brought the two crews together. I mean, I maybe knew, but drunk facts. Yeah. And we just formed a crew

that was called The Circle basically because we was like, yo, we just fuck with the people within our circle So who's the crew It's Shocklair So it's Socrates Myself

Marvel Solitaire Who produced my first Join our MCA Shocklair Julie Black Tara Chase Wyla

Marvel Scrupulous Anthem 12 inch That's like the freshman Couple XXL Yeah There was a lot of ones

but Socrates, he was the first one to get a deal. He got a deal, I think Fuzzy signed him. And was Socrates down with Death Squad at the time? Later.

Because Redman took a liking to him and all that. Later, he was signing Redman. I mean, Jamaican in the world is going to say something.

You got to take one hit of the smoke chips. No, he doesn't. If you don't want to, it's okay. But I mean, for a Jamaican root player, Yadman,

Yadman want to see a smokey toe. Yadman want to see a spl but I mean for a Jamaican smoke weed, bro. Yeah, I was trying to mess with you. I was trying to like my Canada version of that. Oh, because you know, Jamaica. To me, everybody in Canada is Jamaican. Even white people. Yo, fams. Yo, fams. You got to smoke, fams. Yo, Socrates got his deal in 95 with Warner Brothers in L.A. Fuzzy Simon to that deal.

And he was in that deal for a while. He got out of it. Shot Clear actually got a deal with Priority Records. Yeah you got bad deals though too 98 you got you got deals like snoop dogg i mean i ain't gonna front i love my first you you was on every label my first my first one was like mca I was counting your money. I said, you got to check from them. Damn. You know what it was? It was a wild time because I went to MCA because my favorite rappers were there. The Roots was there. Carmen was there. You know what I'm saying? And at that time, not to say that I'm not now, but I was like an MC, MC. I wasn't trying to sacrifice my sound, anything like that. You know what I'm saying?

I wanted to come out and do some real rap shit. You're A&R Universal right now? Now I am. Goddamn, make some noise for that. Oh shit! Were you in, I think I told you this on DM, did you physically go to How Can I Be Down Jamaica? Yeah.

That's the first time we actually met. Word, what was that, 97? I don't know, I got the vinyl from you, you're, a vinyl from you that's the first one I got to say how can I be down Jamaica I felt it was dangerous this is not the safest how can I be down was not the best but it was actually just a fact. I didn't even know it. It was not like a normal hug and all, but I loved it. Jamaica one was some different shit. That was the first time I met a who kid.

Did you go to the Wu-Tang party in the mountains, Johnny? No, I didn't go to the mountains. Wait a minute. Wu-Tang had a party in the mountains? Wu-Tang had a pool party in the mountains. And you had you, God, serving and Inspector Dex serving you you guys serving and then expect the deck serving you Well, you know what is all that shit though It's like I don't know how often you used to go to MPS to make sure power so me like all those things How could I be down?

Gavin make sure power summit like we was there, fam. You know what I'm saying? Like, we literally was there, like, amongst everybody. So, like, if you think about, like, Mixed Show Power Summit, I remember, like, when Fifth first came out. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was down there. Em was down there. Like, that Mixed Show Power Summit was crazy.

I think that was the Puerto Rico one. Yeah, Puerto Rico. And, yo, that's when I first met him. What's wild is, like like He was looking at my videos And like yo So I'm I'm hearing about 50 And like you know

The nine shots And all this crazy wild shit And when I met this nigga This nigga walks up to me He's like Yo my nigga I love how you do that dance move And yo

How you do that dance move And I'm like This nigga is asking me about How to do the fucking dance move From the video But That's literally how we connected. And it's like, yo, Big Up 50, from those things, he's like, yo, I'm gonna bring you on tour.

And I'm like, again, niggas say shit all the time, but yo, that nigga brought me on tour. Me and Rihanna went on tour with 50 Cent. You know what I'm saying? 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent.

50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. 50 Cent. There was a little Little Lil Wayne I think Lil Wayne Walked up to To Cardi

Spitting one of his verses He did Like he was like He didn't even say hello He was just spitting A Cardi verse You know what that was? That was um

When Katrina Passed over Miami And it was I think it was The MTV Awards Was here Yes So I was down here

At MTV Awards And um We was at the MTV Awards And there was some Random shit going on So it was boring So I was down here them times and we was at the MTV Awards and there was some random shit going on so it was boring so I just walked like around, you know, like backstage like some random, you know, just a spot to chill out and I seen Wayne

there and yo, that was the first time I ever met him and he spit my verse from grinding the entire thing. Like that was my intro to meeting Lil Wayne was him spitting my verse, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, yo, Wayne, he's another one that's been like kept it a thousand, no, don't, don't, don't.

Inhale, inhale. You know I'm looking at the flies. I got a job interview at UPS next week. I can't have it. The flies on my fucking store. It's legal now. Yeah, but I mean that shit was like, yo. Deliver packages. The thing that I love about hip hop and it's like my experience in it I mean that shit was like your packages

I think that I love about hip-hop and it's like my experience in it is like Some of my some of my literal like heroes in hip-hop from Timberland to Buster to Jay to Wayne like this It was all these people fucker with me not because They could get something from me You know I'm saying like It's not because I was the hottest nigga out in the world so they're like, we got to whatever, whatever.

These niggas organically fuck with me. My experience was different because Lil Wayne jumped on a joint. It never came out, but it was a joint with him and Pusha T at the time. You know what I'm saying? He just did that. You gotta stop.

Wait a minute. You can't just say shit like, he just did that. You gotta stop. Wait a minute. Honest. You can't just say shit like that and not describe it. Honest. Honest. Okay. So this is before they had beef? This is while they had beef. Whoa.

Whoa. This is while they had beef. So you have a record. It leaked on Rick Ross. Yo, if you really dig on the net, it's out there. Like, somebody leaked it. Wow. But, yeah.

And this is your record? While they had beef, yeah. Wow. Yeah, yo. And you cool with both sides. He was playing both sides. That's right. Like somebody leaked it Wow But yeah This is your record Wow Yeah Wow Yeah And you cool with both sides He was playing both sides That's right Okay god damn I think both sides too

God damn Thank you Not like that Not like that You know I'm gonna do it So Yeah

Damn Yeah man You blew me away with that No there's a lot of shit like that Like we You know We've been here a while, but we could tell stories for days and days and days of all these

moments we were a part of, situations we helped create and push through. Let me ask y'all a question right now, real quick. Cypher Sounds and called it now official is going to be the new

Eric B. and Rock cat. I thought we were the Eric B. Now official yeah, it's gonna be the new More prepared that would be amazing guys make out do that. Guys, make out. Yeah. You go back in your production for real. Yeah. Wow, that was good. That was good, bro. You know how they do it? Yeah.

You're like Rossell right now, bro. You know how they do it? Y'all get in. Y'all make out. Yeah. Can we get Rihanna and Drake on the album? Was that the lead up for that? I'm just asking I don't know

Not on the same song, not on the same record Let me ask you a question I cannot get Rihanna or Drake on a record Let me ask you a question, dog I'm being dead serious I would love Rihanna on Drake, check it out This is something always respected about you. And it's something that I'm lacking and it's why I'm in the position I am where I don't get the credit I deserve.

How do you get all those people on those records? What is your style of being Nori? Because you meet the artists the same way I meet the artists. I was on the radio. You were the artist. I'm not afraid. I was on the radio. You were making records. You was a rapper. Same level,

different feels, right? This is a great question, by the way. You, and I, like, I broke Rihanna, right? You broke Rihanna.

I broke Rihanna. God damn it. He broke Rihanna. That's a damn minute. See, not for nothing, guys. That was a horrible transition. I broke Rihanna.

Look at the picture. Yeah. No, yo, we got to pull this up. Got to make sure we got that. I didn't also send it to you. That is the broke Rihanna picture. Just,

that's what it means. That is the day I met Rihanna. Yes. So, that is part of an Instagram post she put up

Where she's bigging me up in recycling sounds. This is the guy responsible for putting your She's like he's the first DJ in history to ever play my records first spin by blah blah blah the whole long post right fire I speak to everyone so why every time she changes a number, whatever, whatever. Right. I would change. I think I'm in good standings with her. Absolutely.

Very cool. Absolutely. How do I get her on one of my records? Because of this situation. Yes. How do you do it? You know what it is, Syke? Hold on.

Whoever's phone. I feel like it's Twain. It's on your phone? Everybody, everybody tune in. This is not artist shit. This is business shit. Okay. This is business shit. I am not afraid to be embarrassed. Uh huh. I don't give a fuck. That's big.

That's big. Listen, I want you all to call Chris I'm calling Jerobe He's right behind us I'm calling everybody 500 times I have no ego I have no ego And what do you say?

No shame I don't think his ego is called no shame I don't have no ego is called no shame. Yeah, I have no shame. I don't have no shame. The thing is, and the thing is, most of these people, I know they really are my friends.

And I know that I had their schedule prior to this life. Like, I had your schedule. So I know you ain't dissing me. I know when you're dissing me, though. Right. And I know when you're curbing me. So I know that, too.

But it took me some time to learn that doing this shit. Right, but how... Oh, now that you interview people, yeah, that's the worst. Now that I interview people, because I know that everyone is not going to be on time. Like, you see you today? Yeah.

Like, today you're on time with Spanish class. Yeah. And then you're on time here. Yeah, I always do. I expect that from you, right? But I didn't expect that from, like, Irv Gotti. Like, Irv Gotti comes before us, like, most of the time.

Like he did it twice. But anyway, so the thing is I just don't care. Like I don't care. But what are you saying? What's the script? I say whatever I got to say. Whatever you got to say. Whatever I got to say.

Like listen, my dude, because the thing about it is some people think that they're looking out for me when they come on Drink Champs. It's not until after they do it and they realize the actual power then they say, damn, Norby was really like, he really took his time off to look out for me. You're not asking about Dream Champs. He was saying this.

I was answering in a Dream Champs form but I'm talking about Dua Micah. I don't want anything from Rihanna. She doesn't owe me anything. Why don't you ask? Rihanna. She doesn't I answered it like that. Yeah, I feel like that's your it is Let me take something you put too much work in this game. But... Chill.

Let me finish. You put in too much work in this game and I feel like you're bothering anybody. Like, not that you're old. We're not old or nothing. But the thing is, we're old enough. I'm good with a no.

I don't give a fuck. Tell me no. I'm like, all right, cool. But what if I already know it's going to be a no? But you know what? You're starting out from a negative position. I'm like, all right, dude. But what am I already know is gonna be a no. Sorry, sorry. But then, you know what, you're starting out from a negative position.

Nah, but, but, but. You're starting out from a snuff position. But listen. We gotta start like this, nigga. Like, you don't start snuffing already. Yeah. As a DJ, and you're in a different position than even I was, because you were on radio.

I was just a mixtape dude. Yeah. As a DJ, I just, We should never feel reluctant to ask Like ask our story no You ask as a DJ because we were People that were doing was so they didn't have radio when they didn't have whatever whatever you were the guy doing whatever That's what I think. Why do they get amnesia, though? Well, who? But it doesn't matter. But you asked. Did you ask?

That's the thing. You're reluctant to ask. Right now, you're telling me the reason why they would say no. I've asked other people. But did you ask? Yeah. Not Rihanna. Other people.

And they said no. They said no. They always say yes. And then they never show up, or they never send it, or they never do it. And then you stop stop and then I stop This is my thing in life and someone says yes, then you follow up because that's their problem you shouldn't say yes No, I don't know. I don't know. Were you a mistake DJ? I didn't even know you think like that. As a mistake DJ? That was my only way, bro. If you said yes to me in any kind of way, I gotta keep going till you say no a whole lot of mad. Yo, let me show you. Let me show you.

We gotta raise some noise for that. I had no idea that was happening. And now, I just think about it, you should do that to me. Yeah. And she's like, yo, I'll go and I'll get get drunk. You'll be like, I don't give a fuck. You still go. And you make me lay a verse. Because you told me yes.

Yes, I told you yes. And I'm doing it. And I'm going, if you're not saying that, I'm going, your friend, your friend, your friend. Yo, Nori told me yes, and I'm going until someone says no. That's very true. Yo, here's the thing that you need to understand about Syfe. Syfe is literally like my bro. Like the same way you guys are like brothers.

Syfe is a nigga to where like, we'll be somewhere in a, it doesn't matter where the fuck we are. We'll be somewhere. And he'll see Jay. And Jay will be like, Syph, my nigga. Have a conversation with him.

Blah, blah, blah. Yo, Syph, anything you need. All right, cool. He'll bounce. I'll be like, all right, Syph, what we doing? Jay just told you, whatever. He'll be like,

nah, he ain't gonna do it. Yo, we'll be chilling with, you know what I'm saying, with Chappelle. They will be like, yo, I'm going to such and such next week, so you guys come fuck with me. All right, Cardi, Syph, link up. Love you guys. Whatever. I'm like, all right, Syph. You buy me tickets? He'll be like, he's gonna forget tomorrow.

You're like, you're a negator. You're a negator, man. He's negative Nancy. He's negative Nancy. You're a negator. He's negative Nancy, bro. Yo, sorry. It's only towards me, though. But look how far you've already gone with negator Nancy.

You ever see that movie? You ever see that movie, Yes Man? Yeah. What, what, what? Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey. This is what we'll be doing for you from now on. Yeah.

From now on, any one of your rap friends, if I invite you to lunch tomorrow, no, excuse me, I invite you to lunch today, I'm alleviating. You're alleviating? Exactly.

I'm alleviating. So if I say to you tonight, we're going to go to lunch tomorrow, and you think because I'm drunk, you don't hit me the next day? It has never been my

fault. But here's my problem. I'll do it for other people, but I don't do it for me. Why? But what's the reason? I don't know. This turned into a fucking therapy session. Your Stockholm Syndrome yourself. Your Stockholm Syndrome yourself.

What are you doing? This nigga will be closer to niggas than me. And I'll be like, yo, sir, from where the fuck? These niggas don't talk to me. I'd rather be in a forum. Which is admirable.

But pay it forward, because every time you leave, you could pay it forward even more. Right, if you're coming to people more right if you're coming to people for money you're coming to people for shit where you're giving something away

it's something different but if I can help you and you can help the next person people are with that yeah the thing is sometimes we need to be told

two or three times I think you give up on one and a half one and a half maybe two yeah and the thing is listen listen, I go... I don't like bothering people.

That's my thing. You need to get over it. You have to bother people, man. I get it. We're in the business of bothering people. Yeah, we bother people. Let me show you something. Yo, yo, yo.

You remember this. I was in New York. We were in a cab going somewhere. I said, Syke, when's the last time you hit Dave? He's like, I haven't hit him in a minute. I literally took my phone out. put it on the speaker. Yo, Cardi. I said, Dave, what up? I said, yo, I'm here with Syfe. Syfe, what up? Let's big up the floor. Let's big up the floor. Let's big up the floor. So I said, yo, I said, Dave, what are you doing? He's like, yo, you know what?

You guys should come out to L.A. and fuck with me. I'm doing a Netflix special. I was like, when? He's like, yo, I'm going to be out there Sunday. I'm like, all right, cool. We there Monday. You're right. Hung up the phone.

No, no. What? What? You said Sunday. You said you came on Monday. That's like coming the next day. No, it was like a day or two. No, no, it was like.

No, but he said. Oh, fuck was like it was like a dance. No, no it was like nobody Fuck This is way because they did say he called them and he was like, oh, yeah, I'm shooting my special in LA I also want to shoot a separate special with the guys who open up for me. I'm gonna put you on it And he didn't call I would have never fucking got on that. You know what I'm saying? And then even when he said it, I was like, he don't really want me on there. Yo, this is what I'm talking about, though.

Am I a loser? A little bit, no. A little bit. A little loser. You have a loser attitude sometimes. No, it's just for me, though. Because I'll go fucking... You know what I think it is?

It's ego. It's ego. And the thing is, you got to... No, I have no lack of ego. It's lack of ego. No, it's actually which forms the ego. When you have lack of ego, because you say, ah, because I don't want to...

You know what it is? It's like I don't want to be told no. So I won't even ask yet. I won't even ask. Like me, I don't give a fuck. If I get a no, I'm good. I'm good, nigga. Eventually you're going to come back.

I mean, I laugh about it, but. Eventually you're going to come back. Listen, you know how many people, you know how many people, my friends, they was like, I don't know what you're doing. When we did the drink chat, I was like, nah, listen. No, nobody believes in drink chats. You're my guy, but I don't know what you're doing. And at first, because we didn't know what you're doing.

And then we started, we did more episodes. You see, you know what? Fuck that. Let's just cater just to us. Let's just promote just to us. And if it works, it works. If it doesn't, fuck it. Obviously.

We are niggas know that we went out like that. Yeah. Whether we fall in love. We big niggas. I'm digging this shit. Chupacabra, baby. Chupacabra, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want from

2020, I want you to feel embarrassed. No, I'm on a show. Listen, let me tell you something. Listen, I've been trying to get you on here for three years. I wanted that. So, listen.

And Syfe, you did, can I say something? He kind of curved us. You curved me two weeks ago. No, no. Syfe said, let's go in, let's do some shit. Wild style. Forget it. No, no, no, no.

I don't know what you're going to say. I just want to ask something because I don't feel like you and Rosenberg are like each other at all. I just want to throw it out there. You like each other? I don't think so. I think right now, you're like each other. No, no,'t give a fuck how good of friends you are. That's cranky time. You know what I'm saying? We have a lot of different styles of the way we work. I like to be on time. I like to be organized.

He likes to be the opposite of everything I just said. But we do have a chemistry. It's very funny. And right now, we are in a very good place, man. The Juan Epstein Podcast is back. And it's going very well. It's a good episode. It's a good episode.

Good season. Good season. Good season. But Nori has been on there many times. Yes. I'm never afraid to ask Nori. All right. He always says yes, no matter what.

That's why I love this guy. All right. To death, man. But 2020, I I'm gonna be embarrassed Yeah, it's not anything about it is no because the thing about it is being no being told no is actually More positive than negative sometimes because sometimes you're just so much advanced more than a few Like I so much love when I bring somebody song and then they say no and then they come back like yo I didn't see it and they're like yo i'm sorry i'm like no nigga like i'm good like i'm good i went over here this

is probably with god you know i'm saying like like i just believe in it i just and i just keep going like i don't care like i don't really care about um like some people get embarrassed like what i used to know this was you know i got big lips i'm sorry you know what I'm saying I used to skateboard and no one skateboarded in the hood no one did this is why probably me and Pharrell

connected the other way in a different way I was skateboarding that's my mother I call my mother right now I talked about skateboarding mad time you never said this

I ain't wanna talk to my mother but this is real shit this is real shit so I'm skating in the hood from the rap and I bust my lip And they laughed at me when they laughed at me. I ran upstairs And I was like everyone laughed at I was tougher than why the fuck did I write? I

Had never from that day on I won't come on. I'm gonna just bust my ass and leave laughs. I'm gonna get them out and I'm gonna just bust my ass and they laugh and I'm like, fuck you laughing at? Lick my lip off and like, you know what you did? And like, I didn't care. Like, I don't care. Like, I'm gonna come outside with wingworms. I'm gonna come outside with scrapes on my ass. I'm coming outside. There's better hustlers than me. There's better people with clientele. There's no one that's gonna stay outside longer than me. Yeah, no one's gonna outwork you. No one's gonna outwork. I don't give a fuck who you are.

And the thing about it is, Sy's like you've got the greatest connects. Like, if y'all was to really do an album, this is the reason why I'm bringing this up, because we've been going so hard, is y'all was to do an album, you have rich, both of y'all histories were so rich. When I Googled y'all,

this was an hour-long process for both of y'all, right? Because y'all history is so rich. So if y'all was to do an album together, I don't know if y'all thought of this. Probably y'all did. But if y'all didn't, I'm on 5%. But listen, if y'all was a new album together i don't know if y'all thought of this probably i did but if y'all didn't um i'm on five percent but um but listen if y'all was a really new album together what y'all what y'all what y'all history like just think about it you with the drape ties

you with the tori lane's gotta do the gotta fall in line weekend would have to come and just show love and then and then you with the oh yeah both of y'all with the Rihanna and you with the Rick Ross and the, there's nobody can say no to y'all too. In my mind they already said no. This is the front, come on. I don't know where we're going, man. You're right, son. You know, let me,

Trinidad's gotta manage it. Listen, man, we will manage this. Yo, man, yo, we will go in, we will do episodes. But it's always, well, but it's always you guys. It would all, the thing is, we can have, you know, uh, uh, MOP managers, you know, talk to Mr. Lee. It's always better when MOP talks to him. You know what to Mr. Lee It's always better When M.O.P. Talks to E.F. Right right You know what I'm saying

Like It's So it's So it's still Would be you initiating that Like the thing is You gotta Not be afraid to say no

You know what I'm saying You got to You know what I mean Like for real You know I'll be honest Like for me And the reason why Like it's funny

Because like Me and Cypher Such good friends Because we always like shit that he excels in you know I'm saying like he'll call me up and be like yo I just went to this whatever whatever yo you would love this shit but it's the same way that like sometimes I call him I'm like yo Cypher the fuck are you doing yo like yo link my yo link my man blah blah blah blah blah you're like you know what you're right Cardi and like I'll hype him up. I can see the album together

intro Dave Chappelle first record Rihanna second record Drake What's the other nigga that's um party party next door party next door The weekend oh Rick Ross and The Weeknd. Oh shit. Oh shit, we call it. Yo, I didn't hear all this too. Holy moly. You want to check already. I don't even want to check. I just want to go platinum first,

then we go on the negotiate. Listen, but we going platinum. Yo. We going platinum. Even if it's just in Canada. We in Canada platinum. We taking that. We going reggaeton platinum.

How about that? We going to have a reggaeton. We going to have a reggaeton. Yo, I'm telling you, this is the thing. I don't know if y'all was ordained. the platinum we take it back I don't know if y'all was ordained I don't know the crazy guys together right yeah I'm doing it should you sure let me show you let me show you something like the reason why I'm right now like you know there's a whole other part like you know there was a while where I was managed by Mark Pitts. You know what I'm saying? Legendary Mark Pitts. Of course.

That was Biggie's manager and so forth. And it was those guys that really pushed me to diversify my career and take a chance on the executive side. So for me, right now, the title as of today is senior director um of urban anr for universal up top but the reason for that though the reason for that though is because it's like i want to change the infrastructure so that like the next nigga can get on he don't have to go no disrespect but he don't have to come to america to get his deal he don't have to go to london he can get that same deal that he dreamed about and thought about. Right. I want to build it so that the next generation of kids get on.

Because at the end of the day, like, as much as I love this shit, like, it's one of those ones where I don't look at it like it's not about me. I love music. And just like you, like, sometimes I'll be turning on Drink Champs and his new single will be playing at the beginning of the shit. Oh, yeah. I'm green. No, but, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I always make music because it's like, beginning of the shit. Oh yeah, I'm greedy. You know what I'm saying? I always make music because

it's like, I love the shit. And it's like, until niggas is like, yo, you're garbage. Don't do it anymore. I'm going to keep doing it. But, you know what I'm saying? I'm changing the infrastructure so that the next niggas can get on. He's back to the cypher out. Cardi Cypher?

Official Cypher. Cardi Cypher. Nah, it has to have Cardi infe Official Syfe Cardi Syfe Official Syfe Nah it has to have Cardi in it Somewhere I don't mind We can work it in there Cardi Sound

Where does this album go? Independent Mass Appeal To the moon I feel like Mass Appeal Who's promoting this? Who's getting the marketing budget? Green Chance is promoting it

We're getting the marketing budget But um I feel like Mass Appeal I feel like Mass Appeal the marketing budget. But, um... But, I feel like Massive Bell Records is the perfect place for it. All the videos exclusive on Tidal.

Yeah. And all the television rights we're going to go straight to Diddy with Revolt and Robin and everybody. I'm just telling you, I see the vision, but we got to be afraid

not to say no. No, it's not... Let me be, but we gotta be afraid not to say no We need Rihanna to do four bars Just need four bars Rihanna you can't do that You gotta get two balls from him and two balls from him. And me on the other hand, you was four. And then that's it. And then he rapped 86 bars. This nigga got nine, honey.

He gonna rap nine, honey. Gonna put Yerobi on the motherfuckers ass. And then... And then he got bars, too. Yerobi gonna be there. And through the roof. Yo. And then Kanye.

Didn't you have something to do with Kanye? I forgot. Nah. No? You ain't fucking with him? Nah, Nah. No, you didn't fuck with Kanye? Nah, I wouldn't. Listen, there's a lot of niggas that I should get credit for and take credit for. Kanye wasn't one of them. I mean, I was a fan and I was around the Rawkiss era.

Yeah, Rawkiss, there we go. He was with Mos Def and Tyler Qualley in the early days, but I didn't really do nothing for him like that. And she was a DJ for Blackstar, bro? A DJ for Mos Def, a Qualley for Blackstar. And Lil' Kim staff and Lil Kim so Lil Kim I don't want to do my whole history why this is your champ this is where you do your history I DJ for a lot of people Dory, Jay-Z, Biggie, Biggie no not Biggie no I just I thought it so enough was big enough Yeah, okay, I was with little Kim when Biggie was still alive and then I was with little Kim when when I died Sound a little crazy. What do Kim is my sister. Lil' Kim is my sister. I told you a long time ago.

We feel like Lil' Kim is gonna come, hopefully Foxy Brown come. That's what we need more. That sounds really bad. Damn, I said the worst? Definitely Lil' Stomp. Definitely Lil' Stomp. Hopefully Lil' Kim enters the drink champ stage. Enter the drink champ stage.

Oh, shit, like Black Moon. Voxie Brown enters the drink champ stage. Nicki Minaj enters the car. And B inches the drink champ stage. Hopefully, we get all the female. Yo, you know what you need to get to? You need to, you got, listen, here's the other thing. I listen to this, and you guys need to understand the power that you have, though,

because it's like, a lot of the times you guys speak, understand The power that you have though Because it's like A lot of the times You guys speak But very US centric But the thing is like You guys are international And a lot of times Like you have some guests on there

And it's funny Because you guys are even like Sometimes you downplay like The power that you like So once in a while We're going to have you Be our international guest We're going to introduce Our international guest a while, we're going to have you be our international guest and we're going to introduce

our international guest. Someone from anywhere. You're going to come on Drink Champs. Hell yeah. Anytime. And let me tell you why I big you up. Let me tell you why, right? So many people,

because you obviously, we've been trying to connect to get you on Drink Champs and you've been trying to connect to get us on Drink Champs. And we really seriously, it just was, we was just not at the right place at the right time, right at the right time right plenty of times right you never got on the internet

You never said nothing crazy about us. You never like there's so many other people that make up theories Contact us and sometimes things don't work out Like niggas will contact us And sometimes shit Just don't work out For the schedule Or whatever But it eventually will come But at first it will pause And eventually

It will put itself together But so many people Have made up stories And just You know Start talking about Because you know And the thing is

Yo For y'all that don't know We're real hip hop man This is not no fake smoke This is no Oh I know Yeah this is real't know we're real hip-hop man this is not no fake smoke this is no uh oh i know yeah this is real hip-hop we're real hip-hop man so i want to thank you for that let me say something real talk real fucking talk real talk cardinal is actually one of my favorite mcs No bullshit 100%

I don't say it when they ask me top 5 Because you're alive and well But Real Talk you're one of my favorite MCs Yo I never finished my story Which one? Real quick last one We in the parking lot in Toronto Carabana Rihanna performs

Tiana Marie all them people They say, yo, Cardi, can you be a surprise guest? Walk out. I DJ full of awesome songs. Jay was not performing. Jay was just there as the label president. This nigga Cardi goes out there and destroys the fucking stage. He mosh up the bliss. No, no, no. Disgusting. I can't say it right. You said it right. Mosh up the bliss. Mosh up the bliss. You said it right.

Destroyed so bad, Snigga, Hov was like, Syfe, get PSA. Like, he had to perform. Wow.

He couldn't be standing there and watch that massacre happen. And he's like, so you say he like crushed all the rock nation artists. You can say it, Sy. You have three shots to tell you. Yo, what people don't know also, and this is a real thing,

is that I believe, I believe you'd have to ask Mr. Morgan, but like on stage, right after I perform, these niggas offered me a deal on stage. On the spot. On the spot. And what was was wild and this is no and yo me and Jay became super cool after that But it's like yo, it was the exact same time that Akon offered me a deal So it was like I was like the fuck do you do?

You go with Jay-z with his new label rock rock familiar or do you go with Akon and Convict? You know what I'm saying? And it stemmed from that thing. But I mean, me, yo, personally, all I could really do was pray on it. And Akon flew me down to Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? Do you take you to his crib? You know you got a gas station in his crib. I know, I know.

What? Where does this go from here? You get gas at the crib, though. The nigga actually does. Why? Where does this go from here? Bitch, family. You get gas at the crime yard. The nigga actually does. Why? But it's- What do you mean why? Aside from you that rich, you want a gas station.

You want to stop. I'm going to stop this gas station right now. Mr. Liam Borges ain't going to give me no switches. You should have seen the gas station. I stopped there. There was so many ducks. I said, I'm staying inside the car. It was duck sticks, you know what I'm saying?

Holy moly guacamole. Let me just stay in here because these things, they look dirt. They look like they were to shoot somebody. I'm staying inside the car. It is dunk stick, you know what I'm saying? Holy moly guacamole, you know what I'm saying? Let me just stay in here, because these niggas, they look dirty. They look like they were to shoot somebody. And I want to avoid that. So I'm doing, so yeah, they from the rich. But that all stemmed though, you know what I'm saying,

from that whole caravan and shit. Like, it's a wild journey, bro. But like, it's a real journey. How many white bitches you fucked over Dangerous? Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

You know that. So that is a white girl after. So here's the thing that's wild. I've been with my wife. We've been married 10 years. Oh, shit. I'm sorry. No, no.

Dangerous. Apologize. See, I'm apologizing. I've been married 10 years. Dangerous before that, though, right? My G. But listen. I know. But here's the thing. I said been married 10 years. My G, but listen. I said before the record deal.

I want this story, but I don't want to get nobody arrested. I want this story, but I don't want to get no... Nah, but I've been with my wife since my very first record deal though. Since MCA. Let's leave this alone. So it's like... For the reason... Yo, but anybody who's married so you should know what the thing is it's like i'm the type of person like if i'm somewhere and i see like

some crazy chicks or whatever i'm calling my wife like yo it is crazy over here oh yeah and that's how we that's how we that's how we remain together because man's ain't trying to hide it or whatever whatever like you know i'm saying i'm the greatest aba ass by association you know what I'm saying? I'm the greatest ABA, ass by association, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, anyone that demands them, like, the ass will just, you know, go to him. So when you're away, you tell your wife you're having a good time?

No, no, no, just saying there's a good time happening around. There's a good time happening around. There's a good time over there. Exactly. Exactly, but the point is, I always never tell my wife that. I'm a real act. You just practice that over there. Exactly. Exactly. But the point is, I always never tell my wife that. I'm going to be honest. You just practiced that from there.

I'm like, babe, you know, shit raining out here. You know what I mean? Yo, stop it. You're just doing the check. It's just going out. It's just me guys around anyway. What I'm saying, if I have to, like right now, if my wife is calling right now, I'm like, what's going on?

I'm like, man, you know, shit is going crazy. We got to finish up. But I'm not going to be like, yo, man, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this.

I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, yo, man, you know, we had a great time talking about this. I'm going to be like, like, man, you know, shit is going crazy. We got to finish up. I'm not going to be like, yo, man, you're having a great time talking hip hop. Bring that motherfucker Jerome in. I can't say that. Because he's like, why the fuck you having that much fun

without me? Like, it's just real shit. So I kind of, like, I good lie. Yeah. I don't lie a lot. You good lie. Good lie. Good lie Good lie

Dangerous came out right in the middle of all that shit But it was a lot of white girls I'm just saying You were the white girls I went to an Akon show You went to an Akon show He gave you the white girls He gave you the white girls like

Here, have them It's a art of doing A collab It's an art of doing a collab. It's an art of doing a collab. Redman and Method Man doing a collab actually always made sense only for their fans because they weren't trading fans. Their fans were actually the same. Same fans. They were the same. Cardinal and Akon, that's trading fans to me

because you had the super underground and I don't know if you know this, but Akon is the whitest black person next to Seal. Seal and Akon. Like, I mean, white people accept Akon.

Akon, he purple, nigga, like, he black. You know what I'm saying? Like, he white, and they love him. Syl's the same way. Syl? You don't know anything about Syl? I seen Syl walk through Malibu, and people move out.

Seal, wait. Hey, how you doing? Move out the way. Damn. I know you. So I'm going to... Yeah, you know where I was going with this. But listen, so this is what I'm trying to say.

That audience right there... Seal. No, that's not it. We used to do a record with Seal. We need Seal on the album. We need Seal on the album. We need Seal. Seal on the album.

I ain't going to lie. I'm scared. That's what a record with Seal. We need Seal on the album! We need Seal on the album! Seal on the album! I ain't gonna lie, I'm scared. That's what we're getting down to, Seal's on the album. I'm scared of Seal. I've seen him in Nobu two times and I just was like, I don't know how to approach Seal. You scared of him? I just said, you know what I'm saying? I thought about it. I was like, what am I saying to you? Do you only approach people that you think that know who you are? Nah, sometimes I just fuck with people. Sometimes it depends on the moment.

But Seal, I feel like Seal listens to only smooth shit. I feel like he listens to Dubs when he goes to sleep. What record of yours do you think Seal would know if you explained it? But now listen, let me just tell you something. No way. Right. One of the craziest phone calls in the world I ever got was when Pharrell called me.

Lionel Richie. No, no, I met Lionel Richie in real life. I didn't get a phone call from Lionel Richie. When Pharrell called me and said, yo, Michael Jackson just told me he wants Super Thug. He wants Super Thug. Pharrell made him beat. Oh, you never told the assistant. Yeah, I just said this.

That's because you got a real interview on him pulling shit out of your head. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. What happened was... I don't remember. Say it all over again. All right, no problem.

So, Supertug blows up, obviously. Goes through the roof, whatever, whatever, whatever. And as we make it, oh no. Oh no is about to drop. Oh no, oh no. But it's done already. You know, we finally caught on. Because remember, Super Thug, all right.

Remember, the album dropped. Ironically, Penalty Records told me they played Super Thug for all the DJs and they said, the record would never work because it's too dark. Because they don't know who Pharrell is to them when they say, this is the life, y'all. They think this is a gangster. They have no idea this nigga got a choker on and tight pants. They have no idea, right? Because you know, at the time, at the time, you time, I got this super gangster image.

The record is called Super Thug. You don't even say Super Thug. I never even say Super Thug one time. Why are you going to smoke that shit? I'm going to just shut up. Because, to tell you the truth, if you really, really listen at the end,

the album was done. And if you listen I say n-r-e nor we the remix super thug was actually in our e-mails they had nothing to do with our at all I meant this producer at the end Wow saying this movie was talking about my my gosh the bone my gonna be a whole story so anyway it's coming so anyway so anyway. It's coming. So anyway, so anyway. Michael's coming? No, no, stop, stop. Terrible.

So we make the record. We make the record. Boom, boom. I love the record. Whatever the shit. Boom. Now, it's on to the next one. So I make Oh No, and I make the one with Khalees, same night.

Cocaine Business? Cocaine Business, same night. cocaine business same night and i don't know yeah but brother flint came he's saying the next album yeah yeah yeah yeah so in between there pharrell calls me and says yo i got the wildest call i say what's up he goes yo michael jack Jackson told me to send them beats. So, like, all the time, I'm like, word? That's hard. Like, I'm just happy. But then he goes, because I'm thinking, like, to myself, why are you calling me? Like, but fuck it. This is a great call.

Like, I want to be a part of anything Michael Jackson, even his third party. And he goes, but he said the pizza I sent him wasn't it. So I said, what? He said, he told me I want some Super Thug shit. And I ain't gonna lie to you, that old muff, I was walking around, nigga, Mike want Mike.

I was like, I could have been at a burger spot, they could have burned me the check later on my meal later. I'm like, yo, listen, do y'all understand? Mike want my shit, nigga. That's crazy. I give you that. Yo, that's some wild shit, bro.

Yo, man. Come on, Syke. You good? Yo, let me tell you something. I'm fantastic. Let me tell you something. The greatest- The greatest- I'm in.

I'm in. I'm in. I'm Let me tell you something. I'm fantastic. Let me tell you something. The greatest... Thank you, Syke. The greatest... I'm in. I'm in. I'm talking about Syke. Let's go. I'm in. I'm in. The greatest...

Shut up! Okay, sorry. The greatest... Uh-huh. ...mixtape sampler ever created... Ooh! ...was called Ya Heard. Ooh.

Ya smell me....by Syke and the Sound. Ooh! Mixing. ever created was called you heard before Norris album came out mixing whatever new singles he had whatever bootleg records and the old CNN album cut to this day I got hit me got it and Flex is my mentor I love him to death he didn't do shit he said when you're done mixing I'll say a couple things that was his role

that was his role and he said how much they offered you and I was like oh I'm doing it for free he's like no no no we're going to get $7,500 from the label

I was like $7,500 what you see they're never never gonna give us that. He's like they'll give us 10 but we gonna hook them up. 75. Did you get saved by that one? Yes!

Make some noise. I got 1,000. It don't matter. It don't matter it don't matter what I got in the fucking history books of one day when this all

when you look at that you heard mixtape that's fucking me and that was all because I wanted to represent my fucking man

N.O.R.E. you know what I'm saying I'm in the N.O.R.E. video looking skinny as shit you're a prisoner you're a prisoner you're a prisoner bro

I'm not gonna lie that was Stockholm Syndrome that was the first that was the first sampler I seen bootleg yeah like people didn't sample

people didn't bootleg samplers yeah that shit I seen it on Canal Street I was like oh shit I don't even wanna fuck you up on Africa bootleg. Yeah. Like, people didn't sample, people didn't bootleg samplers. Yeah, it was like a, like, that shit, I seen it on Canal Street, I was like, oh shit,

I don't even want to fuck you up, I'm African. Cause usually you beat the African dude up, like, yo, come on my dude,

you from Nigeria, why you do that to me, man? Put it on the same place, it's like, yo, and then I looked, I seen the sampler,

I was like, you know what, let's live. Spread the word, like, that was like the first internet. I was talking about the internet back then, but you know, you know what? Let's live. Spread the word. That was like the first internet. I was talking about the internet back then. But you know, it was the creation of the tunnel.

The tunnel nightclub, man. We haven't talked about the tunnel. You was the opener. The opener. Yep. My job was to play R&B. When I hear opener, I just feel like you finger popped people. Like, like, like. People? Like, you know, like? Like, you know,

like girls. Like, you know, like girls. And others. Most of the girls, I guess. Okay. Those guys and others. But yeah,

talk about the tunnel. Tunnel night club was the illest fucking club in the world ever. Yeah, yeah. We'll never have another club like that. No.

Sunday nights, New York City, I started there, I want to say 96, 97 in that era, now all the way until when it closed, 2000 something.

But it was every Sunday night playing the realest, grimiest street hip hop shit. And this is early in the day where hip hop, there wasn't a lot of hip-hop in clubs. There wasn't hip-hop

where you could just go on your title or whatever and just hear it. You had to go to it. And this was playing and it was the fucking craziest

shit ever. There was a jailhouse search on the way in. Oh yeah, take your shoes off. Take your shoes off, they would knock

your boots and stuff. Security was grabbing your nuts and all that. Yeah, for. Take your shoes off. Take your shoes off. They would knock your boots. Security is grabbing your nuts and all that. Yeah, for real. And I still got racist in there. God damn it. A lot of people got shit in there that was fucking stupid.

Did you ever work at a record store? Yeah, Fat Beats. Fat Beats. Wasn't you signed to Fat Beats, though? No, we did shit through Fat Beats.

So it's like, that's a distribution. Okay, yeah. Yo, listen, we used to... So what's crazy is Mr. Morgan, at the listen we used to so what's crazy is mr morgan uh at the time used to have an apartment at 560 state street where the hell was that right and um yo we used to we used to be in that crib in brooklyn literally like taking our vinyl and

stuffing all that shit you know i'm saying like putting all the vinyl in the sleeves sending it to fat beats sending it to London sending it all around The world so this is obviously like you know I'm saying like we literally had to walk around with backpacks full of our shit You know I'm saying to give out the different DJs before internet and all that shit So yeah like shout out that whole that whole crew, but that's that's that's what I come from though My first tour in Europe was with was with Bob Ito Yeah, Bob Ito from from stretching Bobby though My first tour in Europe was with Bobbito. You know what I'm saying? Stretch. Bobbito and Stretch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bobbito from Stretch and Bobbito. You know what I'm saying? He took us on a tour. It was us. The Roots was on there. Dilated Peoples was on there. You know what I'm saying? There was Megahertz.

Can't keep running away. A bunch of different people. So I come from that era. Man, we've been in this fucking game. I see why you get people drunk, cause then they just start saying whatever. They just start rapping. Dumb shit. Let's get Jerome in here. Let me tell you something. Take a break. Can I tell you something? Come on. Can I tell you how fucking... Can I say something? Yes. Can I tell you something? Can I tell you how fucking... Can I say something?

Yes. Can I tell you how crazy it is? You, a little different. You were my first rap friend. I remember calling you up and saying, can I DJ your fucking birthday party at Palladium or some shit? You know how crazy it is to now be friends with Jerobe from a tribe called Quest. Like,

I don't, he's here hanging out with us. That's crazy to me. He's my friend. All I want to do is go watch him tell tribe called Quest stories,

native tongue stories, De La Soul stories, and he's watching us tell stories. That's crazy to me. Yeah, he's such a great guy. You know,

such a great guy. RIP to Fife r.i.p to fife you know i'm saying like fife was i met jerobie because obviously like jerobie and fife are best friends and jerobie was like yo he was one of fife's favorite mcs you know i'm saying and it's like to me that shit is wild bugged out because it's like i grew up watching them you know i'm saying all the native tongues so it's just funny like how shit you know I mean comes around full so yeah we ain't put your over right there okay so we gotta put it there okay don't put that child And EFM, EFM will do that one too. All right, not together, right? Thank you.

Just wanted to make sure. Oh, pass me one of those. The wire. You put on the wire. Hey, that's the wire. That's the wire. Yo, anybody here ever seen American Me, the movie? You seen the movie, American Me?

Yeah. But they say, mando ramos. Mando ramos. I still don They say, mando ramos. Mando ramos. I don't know who mando ramos is. What's mando mean? Mando ramos. What does it mean? You got to stop it.

For me. Come on. Come on, you. Bro, the shot glass. Mando ramos. You know that part? Mando Ramos. You know that walk? I know I'll mix in a man party ass. The buddy the mafia do some ass.

Jerome, what's going on? Make some noise for Jerome! You're a drink champ alumni. I just beat you up when you went to the bathroom. What you say? Say it's a fucking honor and a privilege to be friends with you and have you here watching us do an interview when all I do is watch you do an interview. You know what I mean? Yo, these are my people.

These are real friends of mine. That's why I'm here to support them. You know what I'm saying? They in my town. My doctor town. You know what I'm saying? Our doctor town. Our doctor town.

Yes, yes. Shout out Kendall and the Build yeah so yeah we I mean we knew each other before but we're very close friends now to regular like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Dave Chappelle is the Ellis connector for whatever so you're telling me you want your robe II is like, your plug is Dave Chappelle? Yeah. We knew each other before. We knew each other before, but we're close now.

You know what's funny? You're similar to Dave Chappelle in a lot of ways. Please continue your speech. That's my idol. You connect a lot of people You connect a lot of people And you create a vibe And you look out for your people Big or small

You know what I'm saying And Dave is the same way Dave will have these events man It's crazy He'll have like We'll be in a room It's like I remember one room we was in

It was like us It was like Nipsey Hussle T.I. Sanjay Gupta. You know what I'm saying? It was nuts. You had rooms like that.

You know what I'm saying? One time I went to Dave Chappelle's house. He has this event at his house in Ohio called the Juke Joint. Yeah, Juke Joint. And he calls me and he's like, yo, you coming to my house, right? I said, yeah. He goes, did you buy a ticket yet? I go, no.

He goes, don't buy a ticket. I think I got room for you on the private jet. Great story. So I said, okay. I said, okay. He's like, but don't be late. Because if you're late, these people are not going to wait for you. So I'm like, who the fuck are these people?

So I go to the Teterboro Airport, New Jersey. So chill. So chill. So Dave calls me. He goes, yo, come down to my shit. I want you to come and get on. You know what I'm saying? He's like, yo, don't worry. I got the PJ for you. He's like, uh. I was like, a word? He's like, yo, come down to my shit. I want you to come and get on. You know what I'm saying? He's like, yo, don't worry.

I got the PJ for you. He's like, uh. I was like, a word? He's like, you're not going to be alone. There'll be some people you might know. The PJ and the private jet. Private jet. Sorry. Come on, man.

You got to tell those ladies. I'm the first one at the airport. Right? Cardi was there, too. But Cardi came from Toronto. He didn't come from New York. I'm the first one at the airport. I'm sitting there.

And Q-Tip and Jerobe from a tribe called Quest walk into the airport I'm like to go to go to go to go to the man's Jerry interviews them dead it up but to be on that close proximity on a fucking private I was like this is my fucking childhood dreams coming true then David Blaine, he didn't, David Blaine, David Blaine the magician. He didn't only walk in, he got floated in. He got a pit. So I'm like, oh shit, yeah he floated in. So David Blaine's in the private airport, bending quarters, biting glass, all types of crazy shit.

Making boards disappear. Then, then fucking Bradley Cooper walks in. What the fuck? I'm like, oh shit, Bradley Cooper's getting on the private jet too. He walks over to us like, you guys on a date? What? This is recent shit. This is like maybe like three years ago. It was way before the Star Wars movie.

Yeah, three years ago. So boom, then I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Then Gayle King walks in. Boom then I'm like what the fuck is happening then Gail King. Okay Gail kick then Tony came Tony's Dave's friends from high school, which I was what I'm talking about They had the biggest thing is in the world. I only can't move now I don't care now the best and hardest thing is it better than hardison is Kadeem. Horson's mom in the bush Apparently she was like the one that like super All these people we get on a fucking plane and it's the craziest shit, but it's not crazy because everybody's at ease

Because everybody knows everybody is somebody. No, no, no, no. If you cool with Dave, you have to be his plane. You gotta be a good person. So you're not getting fucked up on the plane. What you mean? No, they had some drinks. But yo, son, do you understand? And that's normal for Dave, right? He brings all these people

together and you just That's how Nor to like if nori It's a good you know He's already been better good. Yeah And you know the shit under Dave Chappelle or hip-hop I haven't got Siphon Sass with me. Hey! You've been my friend for 20 years for a reason. Jesus, that was one of the best compliments ever. Uh-uh. I need to have a hip hop.

I need to make a plan. I don't like it. I'm going to need a real drink after that. So, we got some of you,, oh. We got some, you calling me a wife. We got some vodka. We got the last bottles of DJ Khaled. Now, type. The last bottles of DJ Khaled.

At one point, at one point. Just give me a beer. You called DJ Khaled. Give me a beer, bro. I called DJ Khaled. No. No, y'all had a little fake smoke. A scuffle?

It wasn't fake smoke. It was friend smoke. What happened, man? wasn't fake smoke. It was friend smoke. What happened? It was real smoke. You invited him to a party and he did not show up. That was the reason. It was one of them. Just a lot of things.

Because he hasn't showed up to your shit for a long time? Yeah, he never showed up to any of my shit. Never? But why did it result into that one thing we all saw? When he said, you're a liar. On the... Yeah. Because... Like, why did it have to take it to there uh at that time i was very upset yeah of course i was very upset at the time i was going

through a lot of personal shit where i feel like i do a lot for other people and nobody was doing anything for me this was pre-therapy so So that's when I like... You think therapy would have changed this? Oh, therapy had changed it. What would have changed is that though? Yes. So you're saying you was like me

before therapy? Uh-huh. So you're saying you was a hater? No, I wasn't a hater. I was upset that I was helping people out and nobody was helping me out.

I know why I'm helping you out. That's normal behavior. That's not... With Khaled? Yeah. No, but you got to understand my relationship with Khaled. The reason why it hurts so much is because we was tight. It's not a way to hell it yeah, no, but you gotta understand my relationship with cow The reason why it hurts so much is because we was tied

It's not like a not just like someone in the rap game like we were brothers. You know say still on sorry I don't even say it past tense you been there's no I haven't been to the you know so why hasn't Kelly come on to chance. I'm asking you. I'm listening to the second step Why you have a problem with Calum? No, I'm asking you. Listen, this is the Cypher-Cypher story. No, but I'm asking you. I don't have to answer.

Did you ask him? I don't have to answer. No, I don't have to answer. I gave up. He said he's going to come on, right? He said he's going to come on. But two years in a row. He can't.

Yes, yes. His story is crazy. No, he's not coming on? I don't know. I don't know. I'm asking you. I don't know. A lot of people say something they end up coming in vain.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna ask you in Spanish. Va a venir DJ Khaled. Supuestamente que sí. OK, well. Pero muchas gracias. Pick up the sacred sounds that been in my Spanish class. He came to Spanish class.

He came to Spanish class. But we're gonna have to conjugate verbs today. So Khaled. So the first time Khaled was ever on Hot 97 was because of me. I brought him on to guest DJ. For Bobby Condor? No, to introduce him to Flames on Flex's show. I have the tape.

I gotta put y'all straight up. What made you want to bring him on? Khaled was my nigga every time I came to Miami. He held you down. Mix 26 back in those days? No, more like Power 99. When I used to come from Memorial Day. We done 99 Jams.

Sorry, 99 Jams. Sorry, 99 Jams. Right at the tail end of Mix 96 days. But Khaled, like, I used to come to Miami a lot. I used to DJ down here a lot. Khaled was a man out here. I used to do Memorial Day weekend, like, five nights of parties. He is the man out here.

Of course. He is the man out here. He is the man. Callie would send someone to pick me up at the airport, and then that kid would leave, and I would just take Callie's truck. And he would just let us just use his truck for the weekend. Like, Botafogo, Callie, all of them, my peoples. And then I brought him to New York and put him on the radio and all this crazy shit and He blew up. I mean crazy You know say but like I felt like anytime he needed something he would call me and I play his record

I'd go ham on a creek. I played I broke Rick Ross because of him. He gave me the Rick Ross It was I didn't know Rick Ross was I mean liked the record, but it was really Khaled's favorite. Absolutely. Khaled was like, can you play this? This is my, not even my artist. This is an A artist from Miami. This record is, we try to make it be something. And I blew it up in New York.

And then me and Ross became cool because of that. But originally, that was a Khaled favorite. Whatever you need, my brother, I'm going to play it. So then he blows up. And like my improv show. Everybody in the world did my improv show. Nori was my first guest ever. And he would always, but then another thing with Khaled is that he was running with this guy named J-Ones.

Yo, we got to big up J-Ones. J-Ones is the man. J-Ones is the man That's the man J1's the man Oh Yeah so So like even J1's Is running with Khaled And I'm like Why y'all not doing nothing for me What

Now I realize I don't I don't give a fuck If he do something for me or not But I was just wondering back then Why they wouldn't Do this You know what I'm saying

Do what Like show up to one of my clubs Or events or parties Or birthday party or something And like you know he was all over the place, so that's why I got himself to show up Did I say that's what you were asking? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Yeah, so that's why I got upset, but now it's so good Big up to Kelly. Oh, Kevin was the one that introduced me to bounty killer. Oh, wow. Really? Wow. I was in New York City doing press. It was when McCarty Slang came out.

I'm in the hotel. And I get a call. I did a record with Bounty Killer, too. Word up. Big old killer. Big old Bounty Killer, yeah. And I get a call. And he says, yo, Cardi.

I said, Khaled, what's good? He said, yo, I got Rodney Price on the phone. I said, who? He said, hold on. And then he came on the phone and said, yo, who this? Cardinal, yo, Ray, Ray, Ray. And I'm like, yo, this is Bounty Killer. And you have to understand, like, 2001 Bounty Killer.

Boy, we sitting right there. But I mean, 2001 Bounty Killer is like 2001 Bounty Killer. Bounty Killer is Bounty Killer. But I have to big up Khaled because Khaled was so entrenched into the dancehall. Absolutely, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But that was my link to Bounty Killer was Khaled. Khaled was in the Dangerous video.

Why? You know what I'm saying? Because we shot that here. We shot that in Miami. Dangerous! I've seen this video. You know what I'm saying? We shot that here. We shot that in Miami. Lay it on top of me! A lot of my career, when I really started making a name for myself as a DJ was me trying to copy Khaled, yo. Like his shit, he used to fucking murder it.

Not flex? No. You know what I just said? Let me just tell you something. I feel like this, you could stop me or you could wreck me. Yeah. I said this the other day, and hopefully there's some people that was there.

If there's not, it's no problem. I'm sure there's somebody recording. To me, DJ Funkmaster Flex is the best radio DJ ever. Like when Flex say New York City pullover, you know I'm one of them dudes that pull over. Like, no, I'm dancing. I miss flights, cause of Flex. Like, them niggas that York City pullover, you know I'm one of them dudes that pull over. Like no, I'm dead sick, I miss flights cause of Flex. Like the nigga that told me pullover, I was like yo, drive a pullover, my nigga.

There's nothing else I can do. He told me to pull over. Like, kid you not, I'm like, I miss flight. Like he say New York City pullover, this is something you gotta listen to. And I pull over, listen, I miss, I miss my flight again because of Meek Mill and Drake. When Flex said he had both of them, I was like, yo, do I really want to be in the air when this happens?

See, that's how hip-hop you are, man. It's so amazing. I actually, I know my wife. I call my wife like, yo, I'm going to miss this one. And I didn't tell her why because I know she wouldn't understand. So I know she thought I was doing some funny shit. So I just made up miss this one. And I didn't tell her why because I knew she wouldn't understand. So I knew she thought I was doing some funny shit. So I just made up some crazy shit.

But I really wanted to hear the two records in my city when this happens. Like, that's how hip-hop I am. I'm kidding you, man. You know what I'm saying? Thankfully, I was in Queens for that. No, listen, listen.

Thankfully. Like, I'm not going to lie. Like, when Flex, like, when, and you can tell, like, when Ether came out or the Takeover came out, you can tell that Flex liked the Jay-Z more, but he went with Ether. Yo, Flex, that nigga, yo, when I tell you, there's no, people are like, oh, he taking money, he taking payola, he plays favorites. That nigga, all he does is keep his ear to the streets in many different ways. He got his little young DJ, that was who I was in the beginning, keep my ear to the street, tell him what records is popping.

This nigga flex. If he's driving around and he hears a song three times, like if he's at a gas station and he hears somebody playing a song, and then he drives down 125th Street, hears somebody play a song, that nigga will do everything in his power to get that song and play it on the radio for that night. That's how much his passion is. He'll hear it and be like,

why do people keep playing this song and I don't have it? And we'll find a way to get it and play it that night. You know what I'm saying? That's how much he loves the radio, yo. And I remember when he played Nas' Hate Me Now. And people were like, he's playing it for two hours already.

You know what I'm saying? That's how I broke Rick Ross. I was just trying to copy Flex because Flex was on vacation. I was filling in. It was like Christmas time. I was trying to play Hustlin' Rick Ross the way I saw Flex break all these different records over the years. You know what I'm saying? And it worked, obviously.

The nigga got a fucking deal for it. But Flex is the ultimate radio person ever. I'm going to be honest, when it's not your record, you be like, yo, why don't you calm down? But when he did it with Subotaka, I was like, it's absolutely correct. You know? I deserve an ooooh, hour and a half of this.

All the accolades. But this one... He makes a movie, man. Yo, I ain't gonna lie. Yo, but who's doing that like in the 2020, you know what I'm saying? How can you? No, I'm not gonna lie. No, I'm not gonna lie. And nobody needs to do that. No, no to do that no no no no I gotta stop you right there I gotta stop you right there

he's still doing it bro like still to this day I'm not gonna lie now but that but that makes you hurt him though yeah when they didn't listen the entire planet was tuned in wait yo niggas in the UK yo I'm talking to my guys in the UK these guys are up at whatever time in the morning 3 in the morning like they Tune in there we tune in in Canada. They tune in in everything the whole world Let me tell you this story right hmm So I'm like I said, mr. Flight so I stood and me I'm just like a little bit psychopath sometimes. So I had a record.

I'm like, yo, in the mix of all this, I hit Flex. I'm like, yo, can you play this record? This is the day after he didn't have the beat record. I don't know if I'm supposed to say this, Flex. I'm sorry if I'm not. But I'm sure he doesn't care. So I called him. I'm like, yo, I want to, um,

you know, you play this record. So Flex goes to me, did I look like a biscuit last night? That's real. That's real. And I'm like, cause I'm trying, I'm not trying to say this. I'm like, what are you talking about, Flex?

He's like, no, I know you was doing, like, I know you got your hair to the street. So I'm like, alright. you talking about, Flex? He's like, no, I know you was too. I know you got your hand to the street. So I'm like, all right. He looks a little crazy. Wait, I'm sorry. I know I should know what this is, but he said he had it and then didn't have it? Yeah. Yes.

Wait. Basically. Did he say he had it or he said he was going to get it? He said it's on its way. That was enough. But is that his fault or is that Meek's fault? It didn't matter. He announced it. You got to get it he said it's on his way that was enough but is that his fault is that meek's fault it didn't matter he announced it you gotta take it you gotta take that fall me can't say it me can't go on and say yo flex got the record you know what i'm saying so anyway this is moving this

is how you know then no flex is a real dude like he takes his wins with his losses the same way and i respect you so i called like and so i'm trying to avoid it as much as I can. So I said, yo, you look a little crazy. I said, you look a little crazy. He said, no, I know I do. And I said, well, how? Like, why are you asking? Like, how do you know you do?

He said, I stayed home the next day. I prerecorded. He said, I prerecorded the next day. I just stayed home. He said, but I was not coming out because I just wanted to think about what happened I'm like alright cool

he said but I got a delivery he said so I had to answer the door he said so I answered the door he said UPS guy he said the one person

I see throughout the whole day and the UPS guy sees he notices me and goes rough night huh? I said yo my respect level for Flex was so much, like he cheerleads his wins the same way like yo I lost that one. This is what I lost.

Was UPS2 bringing them the record? No, no, no, no. UPS2, you know. But, yeah. But, yeah, I ain't going to lie. And listen, for the people that's listening, because earlier you said, you know, the label and all that. I want people to know, I have never heard of Funk 4 Lex ever taking payments. Like, to play your record? No.

See, this was to host a sample. Because I want to make that clear. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I want to make that clear. Because, you know, people will get... Yeah, I wasn't saying... Sorry. I'm not about to make it sound...

Listen, I can bring Flex a record. If he love it, he going to play it. If he hate it, he's going to tell me I hate it. Yeah, but... And I'm not playing it. And he tells you he hates it, and he's not going to play it. And then the streets are playing it. He's going to play it. He's going to play it and then tell me I hate yeah, right and I'm not he tells you he hates it He's not gonna play it and in the streets are playing it. He's gonna play it. He's gonna play it and tell you I was wrong Yeah, oh, you know, he plays the game. He plays the game. He plays again. So What's the shit you hate in hip-hop?

You're OB that I hate okay, I actually you love last time. Yeah Hey, thanks That I hate? That you hate. I asked you what you loved last time you did. Yeah. So now it's time for the hate, man. Facts. What do you hate, Drew? What do I hate? Everybody sound the same. Riding the wave. Riding the wave.

That's the thing I hate. Because... It's 15 million futures. Yeah, yeah. Because the whole hip-hop thing was based on... Originality. Your voice. Yes. You know what I'm saying?

And everybody else jumping on the thing that's hot. You see everybody just run from thing to thing. You know what I'm saying? And everybody else jumping on the thing that's hot. You see everybody just run from thing to thing. You know what I'm saying? I don't like that. Right. That sucks. Like, everybody want Lori Harvey. You know?

Why? She's gorgeous. Can't one person live in this hole? And that's it. Get your next one. You don't want the same one. Yeah, everybody want the same one.

Yeah. Like, I went too far. I'm scared of Lori fall. I'm scared lawyer I'm scared of the family, but like No one's with me on this one. I don't know that is Jesus like you married nigga forever high five. I'm You know who Laurie Harvey is Barbage you know

Come on, man. What is that? You know who Lori Hart is. Absolutely not. Who is that? Who is that? Yeah, who is that, bro? It's the story. He's Googling it right now.

He's Googling it right now. See, read the first couple of things that come up. See, he was with Tory Lanez. Did he really get Lori Harvey pregnant? Diddy? That's a girl. And now she got Future. All in one year.

She's the GOAT. Wait, who? What did you say? Tory Lanez. She was with Tory Lanez, Diddy, and Future in the same year. She's the GOAT. Yikes. Let me clear.

Let me clear that, bro. Steve Harvey's GOAT. Steve Harvey's GOAT. Oh my god. Come on, guys. And the plot thickens. I did hear about it when she was when she was dating Diddy. Yeah, but yeah remember me I got no be Harvey on this Hey, hey, hey, relax. What do you mean it's a public movie? Hey, relax. What do you mean it's a public movie? I will admit, in the last four years since I left the radio, I ignore all of this shit. I'm not in the business of hip-hop rumors anymore that I have to talk about it on the radio. I'm in the comedy world now. I don't follow these fucking Instagram things. But even the comedy world, the comics on hip-hop.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Don't let the tree fall too far from you. No, no, no. I got hip-hop. I don't comment on observations of hip-hop. I talk about my things that happen in hip-hop. See what I'm saying?

Nobody else can do that. There's no other DJs, A&Rs, managers who now do fucking stand-up comedy. That's very true I got a joke talking about how I didn't sign Drake when I had the chance to yeah another loser move from side to side Why are we just getting to this now? Okay. This is something we should have landed with. Can we do a segment called Loser Moves for Science?

Just hang out with me. You'll see the point. No, no. I mean, it's not. It's the joke. The joke makes it sound worse than it is, but I'm saying he gave me his demo atavan a weekend and I said to him. I'm not really messing with artists right you don't Fucking yeah, I mean I still made it up. You know you know the famous freestyle when Drake was a high 97 With reading off the blackberry that everybody made fun of him?

Oh, that was like on a free-rate meet or something like that? I don't remember, yeah. But yeah, I brought him up there. Oh, wow. I brought him up there. Damn, Syke. But that's just a joke. I'm saying I was A&Ring at the time and I couldn't sign him.

But you told him you're not fucking with artists. I wasn't in the mood to fuck'R at the time and I couldn't sign them but... But you told them you're not fucking with artists. I wasn't in the mood to fuck with artists at the time. I had just gotten out of a lot of weird situations. I think you should start smoking weed. I think that's how it started. He's like a hip hop Forrest Gump. Yeah, yeah. I always say that.

But you always go back with the elusive shit. I got a lot of wins. I got a lot of wins. Yeah, you suck at sales. That's a win. And the MTV shit. How'd you like the MTV? I forgot about that. You was a BJ. Yeah, I loved it.

You was with Lala too. And you put on Angel E. Angel E, yeah. I was on The Breakfast Club now. I put her on. I mean, I didn't put her on. She got put on and then I helped her learn how I mean, I didn't put her on. She got put on and then I helped her learn how to do radio which then she fucking, like when I got the morning show,

I tried to bring her with me but they gave her a bullshit deal and then she was like, all right, cool. And then a year later, she was like, I'm going to go to your competition

and fucking smash you. But I told her, I said, I told Hot 97, I said, yo, this bitch is fire. You need to give her a job. And they gave her some bullshit.

And I told her. Same way I told Jay. Because I try to bring. Angelina's our sister. We love her. A love of the death. We love her. I try to create a rock nation comedy.

You had a comedy show on Tidal, too, right? Yeah, I had two different comedy show on title to yeah, yeah to different comic shows on title And I tried to do rock nation comedy and I try to explain it to Jay how he had Kevin Hart First Kevin Hart's first movie is a Rockefeller movie First scene with the sir, I'm like you had the nigga Who's his first scene with sir? I'm Nori I think Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, Google that Can you Google it? I think you just sit on the booth

I think you gonna Google it baby I think you gonna Lugol it, you know what I mean? Trugol it, you know what I mean? Like you know what I mean? Lugol it, you know what I mean? Yeah But go ahead But yeah, no I'm just saying like I try to fucking like

I like so like that's the same thing like you Sometimes opportunities are like Kevin, where's my Rihanna? Why? Whoa, I can't follow What I try to fuck it like I like so like that's the same thing like you sometimes opportunity I'm gonna be on it. Why whoa? I can't follow what I find weird But you know like you know you're on it like you know like this Right and you have a photo since nah Mission like that last time I see we told me he was fat. I'm like, damn, Kev. I was like, what's that? He was like, you have like a tight shirt. He's like, I got a tight shirt.

He said, you got to tighten up, buddy. That was hard. Jesus. My son was right here. Like, we was going to see the same train in Hollywood, you know. Goddamn, the big one, you know. He from left rack.

Yeah, Hollywood. He from left rack, by the way. I don't know if y'all know. Salud. Ara. We forgot to do this. Ara. Ara. Ara. Ara. Yeah Yeah for sure What do you hate about hip-hop what do I hate about hip-hop yeah? Couple I mean a couple things the I mean I came up at a time the reason why I chose this like fucking crazy-ass name was because like we used to try so hard to be original you know what I'm saying because it's like when I made this shit it's like I didn't want to go to anywhere else in the world and there's going to be another Cardinal

there's going to be somebody that sounded like me you know what I'm saying and it's like I came up basically like a mashup of of KRS-One, Mishy Me from Canada, Big Daddy Kane, Public Enemy. The biggest thing that I ever learned coming up as an MC, I think,

was like when KRS came with that Edutainment album, that was me. That pretty much summed up what I wanted to do was I wanted to educate at the same time I wanted to entertain niggas.

You know what I'm saying? And it's like, what I don't like about hip-hop right now... That's what we do out here, entertain. Absolutely. But this is what I don't like about hip-hop that I don't understand. It's just like, people always...

And one thing I'm going to encourage you guys to do... I was watching the Irv, the Irv joint. Yo, the thing is... The thing is, it's like, the one thing that we didn't do I think enough as OGs in the game Is really Kick game

To the younger generation You know what I'm saying I want to Hit my argument before you continue Sometimes I don't feel like they respect us enough So like right here It's because they don't know though They don't feel like they respect us enough So like right here It's because they don't know though

They don't know But finish what you were saying So I mean like what it is I think like I cannot blame I cannot blame The younger generation Because like when I was When I was

Like the OG's Like when I met Busta R you coming up in this thing like the OG's like when I met Busta Rhymes like Busta Rhymes he sat me down and gave me game. He's like, yo nigga, you miss this.

You used to be like this. Rah, rah, rah, rah, rah. And literally like showed me all the shit when I met him. You know what I'm saying? And it's like all the older heads

like they used to you know, when I met them it was never a friction. It was like, yo, we fuck with you. Yo, this met them it was never a friction it was like yo we fuck with you yo this is how it was what you doing is dope but you know i'm saying don't feel like that now they were the bridge like the younger dudes they more high but here's the thing i don't really i don't really fuck with like with the ageism and there's a what's crazy right now

is ageism is like the biggest Division in hip hop But what's wild Is it's like Yo I'll fuck with anybody Like even as a Senior director Of like A&R Or whatever the fuck

The reason why I like that shit Is I get to see What's on the other side Of the iron curtain The shit that as artists They never showed us That shit

They never really Showed us what's up But to me I don't give a fuck As long as you dope If you 16 And you fire If you You know what I'm saying If you are somebody That's had an age I don't give a fuck as long as you dope. If you 16 and you fire, if you, you know what I'm saying?

If you are somebody that's had an age, I don't really recommend people to try and start as an old ass nigga. But like, if you somebody that's in the game, but you dope as fuck, like when Trap came out with that last album, like the shit was still fire. You understand what I'm saying? It's still fire to this day. I draw to it. I'm that person that I don't really believe in like the age, like when niggas is like, ah, he's an old nigga, he's washed, or this nigga's young, so he's the hot shit. If you young and you trash, you trash. You know what I'm saying?

If you are old ahead within the music, but you dope, you dope. That's it. That's what it is. But the thing is, we have to do our job and educate them. Because here's the thing. I knew about everybody coming up. Like, I learned about niggas That was like

Way before me I didn't just know about niggas That was like my age Exactly Or niggas that came out When I was around It's a shit to where I learned about

Everything Like when You know what I'm saying Like Queensbridge I can tell you everything about it Like from MC Shane Yo the bridge is one of my favorite joints MC Mitski from Brooklyn

When he came out with Brooklyn Vrew up the bridge, all that shit. Like, I was a little kid. So niggas can't talk to me about, like, yo, OG, I'm 21. I don't really know about that shit. I was only 14. Yo, I was eight years old studying this shit. You know what I'm saying? We didn't have internet.

We didn't have, yo, anything that we talk about right now, anything. We could go to our phones and just Google it real quick and be like, ah, okay, I'm educated. Right. We literally, yo, on some real shit, like, I had to go to Coliseum to understand what Coliseum was like. I had to go to Fulton. We had to take trips to London and do shows at the Jazz Cafe in London. Like, we literally had to be out there And experience the shit

But the thing was I wanted to do that shit You understand what I'm saying But what I tell niggas is like this Very quick and easy way to break it down If we are out on the street right And a nigga finds a hundred dollar bill Out on the street

They're gonna be like Oh shit Got this hundred dollars Yo you know what I'm gonna take it home to the wife and be like, yo, we going to wherever tonight, blah, blah, blah. They're going to spend that $100 real quick. If that same nigga, if you tell him it's a dollar an hour, that's your job. You're going to get, whatever your job is, your employment, you're going to get paid a dollar an hour. By the time you get to $100,

you're going to look at that $100 different. You're get to a hundred dollars you're gonna look at that hundred dollars different you're gonna value it you're gonna understand how much work it took for you to get to that fucking hundred dollars you're gonna look at it different and i think what's happening right now is the phones the computers are making that hundred dollars easy because they can just find it on the street they find it they're like ah cool it's a hundred but for us because we had to live it we had to put in the work we value the shit different you cannot really make a nigga live that experience because a nigga's gonna say oh gee i am not fucking fedexing shit i'm gonna double click and i'm gonna find the answer but the only thing that we can do is we can pass down the shit from

old g's to the young gs and really give them game. And like going back to that whole Drake story, that's what I'm saying. There was never no beef because as an OG, the other thing is you can't think as somebody who's younger and doesn't know better. Once you go through shit and you mature, that's why I went to studio. I had a conversation with Drake and it was love and we made a song. We made the last hope that day. So for me, from the time that I started it's only because I got a certain respect whether it was niggas in the street that

was like niggas stay out the street you fire like yo don't fuck with this shit like yo be in the studio damn niggas yo them niggas in the streets used to give me bread so that I could go pay for my studio time we don't do that right now you know I'm saying that's why it's like quietly and i'm a nigga like you know i'm saying like kind of cyphered in a different way like i let all the niggas run around and not i let them but they do that shit you know i'm saying they can big up themselves and whatever i'm doing shit quietly because what i want to do is i want to through my platforms be able to educate but also be able to create opportunities and that's why you can ask anybody from anybody

from my city that know me anybody from london anybody from miami jamaica anywhere like i've done records with everybody i have relationships with everybody because i am somebody that loves hip hop like right now i am living well and there's a lot of mcs You know that Are not doing that well And I'm blessed To be super fucking good In 2020 You understand what I'm saying? And I never take that for granted And that's what I want to pass on

To y'all That gives me life So dope So dope So you know I ended with you What do you hate about hip hop? Oh fuck

I mean it's along the lines of what they're saying, but really more in the sense of the music. I don't know what... The older people hate the younger people, so they don't... Like, all the shit about your age and all that shit is one thing, but, like, exposing them to the music, right?

Like, they don't do the lessons and the knowledge about The shit that came beforehand right like all these young buck all these young kids like Tyler the Creator and all that shit love Pharrell yeah, right But do they know you put Pharrell on you know saying so shit like that bothers me a lot It bothers me a lot just in case he thought like you know to be honest. And Tyler's dope, though. But he's dope, though. I'm actually a fan of him. I'm a fan of him. I was not a fan of the actions and the mood that happened that night.

Like, I have always shown people respect from Busy B to Dave East. Right. Yeah. Like, Busy B and Dave East gets the same amount of respect from me. Fact. That's how it should be.

You know what I'm saying? I love Busy B. To piggyback off that, it's weird because once you love something or something you want to do, you try to find out everything you can about that. I don't understand. These dudes

say they love it. They don't do that knowledge. That's something I don't understand. Is it there for or is it off for? I don't know. I think it's like you're going to say it's so much easier now.

I think it's more there for. It's more there for. Like I said, when you like something, like when I used to like comic books, Spider-Man. I got every Spider-Man

comic book. I didn't come to Ali, but I saw damn near all the Alis. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. I'm really the Floyd Mayweather.

I've listened to every Malcolm X speech ever I could find recorded. I've listened to- I've listened to a heck of a lot of them. Exactly. Right now. And then also- Me too.

I used to read interviews and like Muggs from Cypress Hill- no, thank you. I was going to try. Like Muggs from Cypress Hill was like, oh, I sampled this record to make this song. And I went and tried to find everything I found about that artist or that Group that right, right? They don't do that nowadays which fucking bothers me because let's say for example ASAP Rocky ASAP Rocky's real name his legal name is rock him. He's named after a great MC. How are you not? Research in rock him when you learn that and learn everything we don't know that he didn't do that we don't know not him he has I'm saying

fans yeah his night knows the crazy shit was oh this is and I'm a little baby has been one of the topics of our conversations from since herb guys we'll be there do baby a little baby little baby little baby said I'm going back to Cali like Biggie and the crazy shit is that's a dope line but the thing is if you really go about a Cali is no no no tomorrow the original going back to Cali bracket that that was LL Cool J that was all big so I'm talking about the original Going Back to Cali record. That was LL Cool J. That wasn't big. So what I'm saying is...

Ah, got it. So what I'm saying is there should have been someone in this camp like, yo, listen, because what you're saying is dope and what you're saying is correct. Yeah. But for a hip-hop historian, if I was in his camp, I would have corrected that line. Like, going back to Cali, like, LL. Yeah, but he grew up. I don't mind that one because he grew up on Biggie more than LL probably.

Yeah, but someone who's a hip-hop historian should have let him know that the original record. Yeah, maybe. Like, Biggie was sampling. Right, yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? I don't. Like Biggie was sampling. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's like somebody saying, back in the days in the Boulevard of Linden,

and it's fucking, you know, monster energy from Linden. From Linden. The monster energy from Linden? From Linden. He has the right to say that because he's from Linden, but he also, like when I said Bo knows this, when Fife said Bo knows this, and Bo knows, it was, and I say, uh, no we

know this. Yeah. Like that was clearly a salute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a salute to these niggas. Mm-hmm. But, but, there's a lot of people who hear Bo knows this and Bo knows that, and they be like, oh shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to these things but there's a lot of people who hear Bono's this and Bono's that and they be like

oh shit they been no I clearly been but that's why these shows

are so important though because the thing is like I watched the shit with Herb and it's like the shit was I was like I watched the shit with Irv and it's like the shit was

I was like in the movie theater like throwing popcorn because I was like nah these niggas can't do that because if you don't use this platform

to talk about that shit you're right there isn't another platform that's doing what you guys are doing all the other shit there is a platform for that

but the thing is there's gonna be a lot of young niggas that's like yo I heard y'all niggas on Drink Champs and yo i didn't know x y and z and blah blah blah and that's why it's so important that y'all niggas gotta keep it you know what i'm saying because it's like guess what we don't have the source anymore we don't have double excel rap pages all the shit that we used to like we used to value you know what i'm saying drink champs

you get is get like a cover, that's what it is. Cover the source. Yo, I got a young homie. What you do, like your platform is super important. Don't take it for granted. I appreciate you. I got a young homeboy, high school age. You know what I'm saying?

He come through, you know what I'm saying, sometimes. You know what I'm saying? And he knows who you are From the show Wow So this opened him up To Who's Nori

Right Well see yo You know But you knew about CNN Right Why didn't you tell me about CNN Like you know what I'm saying They don't really know

Yeah So it opens the door So like You have fans from drink champs That don't even know about CNN And all that right I absolutely love it though. Like before, in my insecure stage, I would be like, what?

You don't know who Apoyo Loa is? You don't know who the fuck the boy is? You don't know who the fuck the boy is. Because I worked so hard. But then nowadays, I say, you know what? I appreciate however you accept me into your home. If you accept me as chicken, like if I had chicken, nori chicken, I'm gonna come off as a chicken.

I'm gonna come off as a chicken. I gotta do some crazy shit. I'm gonna come off as the first nigga to come off as a chicken. Michael Ray with a boom chicken. What? First rapper, nigga. Niggas got chips. chicken I'm coming different. That's a tagline. That's a way to go, man. I'm just different. I'm just different.

But let me pick up the cyber sounds. You're the first person, and one day, you did my Spanish class, where I'm actually learning Spanish. Because your name is Luis Diaz. That's my real name. Chachi. And I'm Chachi.

What's Chachi? From Starbase? That's the name we give everybody, Chachi. Chachi! Chachi! Chachi! Chachi! Chachi! Chachi! Chachi! Chachi. Chachi! How was Spanish class coming to Spanak?

It was fun. It was fun. But I mean, I really learned some shit today. Yes. Also, I didn't know, was I supposed to be cracking jokes? Because I was trying to crack a lot of jokes. Of course you could crack jokes. You're a comedian. You didn't really say much on there.

No, because you know why? It's not Drink Champs. Like, Drink Champs is no edit. This is all about the edit. So we're just going to get, you know, 12 little great minutes. You know what I'm saying? The fact is we're both Puerto Rican. And the fact is we both don't speak Spanish.

It's a travesty. Yeah, it is. It's a travesty. It's a travesty. I try to learn Spanish two or three times in my adult life and I just won't stick. So you went to a regular, like public Spanish class? Like a class.

I would like to do that. Me and Mr. Lee. Nah, I think it's better the way you do it with an individual teacher. That's a little Hollywood. I mean, I mean, it's Hollywood because I had a guy come to me. I need to recognize, that's my friend, he's, he's, he's hired. But I need, I need to go to a regular public, like where it's like, you know, motherfucking Jamaicans trying to learn. Yo, wait, what, what?

How you say, como se dice? I wanna go to that, the public shit, like there and she'll just sit down and try to like... Ella no come. Or you say... Mujeres. You're involved now. Con gentlemen. Listen, man.

We got legends in the building, man. I want to thank y'all, man. We had, yo, Jerobe, man, man, this is so much of a great guy, man. So much. When I see Queens people, man, we out here. We living in a motherfucking tropical place, having fun, drinking D'Ussé, monster drinks, and having Cypress Sounds, taking some motherfucking tiger bones and motherfucking car now officially this niggas hair got greener To drink champ yes your fans gone

You're not like Rihanna's army. We need Rihanna's army. Rihanna has a navy. She's got the navy. She has a navy. We need Rihanna's navy to get down with us. She smoked blunts. That's the crazy shit. She has not changed. That's what I'm saying. You can get on your album. Let me tell you something. I'm going to tell you when you can't get on your album.

Yeah, what do you think, man? When she starts smoking combs and joints and like bongs, the fact that she smoked blunts, she is more real than a lot of names I'm telling you I be looking at her Instagram I be sobering up I be looking like That's not a joint

That's a blunt Y'all get on y'all That's the most good as shit in the world I'm on a different path right now I'm doing a lot of comedy shit. Shout out to Dave Chappelle. Shout out to Michael Che, Michelle Wolf, Moe Hammer.

These are people I tour with. I'm at the Comedy Cellar in New York at all times. That's fun. Where? All the time. If I'm in New York, you can come to the Comedy Cellar.

Just any date? You don't give no date? No. I'm there every week. You got to just look it up every week. Just every week? Okay. But listen,

please, if you take nothing away, man, go on your computer, go on your phone, look up Cardinal Fish. Y'all see all the crazy shit he's done from Bacardi Slang

and Walk Around Toronto with him. And the amount of fucking respect and love he gets is crazy. It's fucking crazy, man. It's like he's literally a hometown hero. And anybody that can get that much love in their city, you should know who the fuck they are. He's a living, alive Nipsey Hussle. That's right.

That's my big shoes.. That's big shoes. That's big shoes. Because you know why? We need to start doing that while they're alive. Yeah, for real. Because Nipsey Hussle would have appreciated this respect while he was alive. And I got special love for him because Fife put me on him.

Who? McCarty. Yeah, he said that when he left. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, listen, so we're going to do a drop, a couple of pitches, and yo, we love y'all, man. This is hip-hop.

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