Drink Champs - Episode 202 w/ Royce da 5'9" & Mr. Porter

Episode Date: March 13, 2020

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today’s episode The Champs chop it up with DC Alumni, Royce da 5’9”. Recently, Royce released his latest album “The Allegory” a collection of 22 songs entirely self produced by Royce himself. We are also joined at the DC table by legendary producer, the talented Mr. Porter.In this episode The Champs along with Royce and Mr. Porter discuss a lot. With topics such as beef in Detroit's Hip-Hop scene, Proof & D12, to stories about their personal Hip-Hop journey. The guys also discuss Hip-Hop's younger artists, the importance of accountability and how social media has changed the industry.As Royce shares the stories of writing for Dr. Dre & Diddy, he also talks about the importance of artists creating self defining albums and shares how he was dropped from Tommy Boy Records. Royce also tells the story of the rap battle between himself, Eminem and Pharrell and how they all eventually record music together that was never released!Royce also shares how him and Eminem talk about a variety of topics, but that “perspective” is a major topic in their conversations. The way they see things and the way they think other people see things.In this episode Royce opens up and shares how alcohol led to his downfall and how hitting rock bottom affected his life.Drink Champs Army, help us celebrate and congratulate Royce on 8 years of sobriety. An incredible achievement that should be recognized!Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up? It's DJ EFN. And this is Drink Champs' motherfucker, Yappy Yawa. Make some noise! And right now, the brother that we got in the building with us, top tier. When I say elite lyricist, when I say top five, when I say goat, I was surprised

he didn't have the goat ring on. I was anticipating the goat ring. But when it comes to lyricists, when it comes to, you know, staying relevant, you know, standing the test of time. Not only looking young, feeling young, and acting young. And out here looking good.

You know what I'm saying? Been through different eras, standing the test of time, still here. And he's on the illest press run I've ever seen in his whole career. A lot of people say that Allen and E1 is cheap. They are showing their ass with his project today. Because they got him everywhere. I mean, and with the coronavirus, I thought they needed to stop. This guy's everywhere.

I mean, from the morning shows to wherever. And I really appreciate it. I'm really seeing the reinvention. I really see the relevance of what's going on right now. If you don't know who I'm talking about, we're talking about Royce. The motherfucking Five Nights.

Make some noise. Now, this is a phenomenal run I'm seeing you on. You know, besides the album being classic, besides the album being just great, I'm just, you know, as a media guy, I had to go you know, go on and click and see where you was at and everywhere. This is a great one. I think this is like this is probably one of the biggest since I've seen in years. How do you feel about that?

I feel good about it. I feel good about it. I mean, the important thing for me, man, is just to make sure that I try to stay as in control of the narrative as possible. You know, I just want to make sure that I try to stay as in control of the narrative as possible. You know, I just want to make sure that I drive the point home every opportunity that I get. You know what I mean? I make sure that I let everybody know that it's an honor and a privilege to be here.

And, you know, just set good examples. Set good examples, be positive, and just hit as many outlets as possible. You know what I mean? Because I want to show the youngins that it's cool to just be yourself. It's cool to do it without the antics. Right. It's cool to just make it about the raps. You know what I'm saying?

Right. Like that L.A. Lakers freestyle. I'm not going to lie. That was so disrespectful. Thank you, man. It was just like, I felt like he was a wrestler. And you was just like, I felt like he was a wrestler. And you was just like, I felt like you were dating a snake

and Buddhist to Barbra's beefcake at the same time. And this was just like, you just was showing these young boys, this is how you rap. Like, you were just, it wasn't, let me just tell you something.

It wasn't much so of what you were saying and how you were saying saying and it was the comfortable you understand what i'm saying like so many people when they the comfort level it was like i can tell you it's just you had your um the what is it called a sports jacket you had a sports jacket on you it's just like like like does it come that easy for you after all these years? It's hard to memorize. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, it's hard to memorize. I mean, it took a, it took a long time. Some of it I wrote on a plane. You know, LA Leakers, they want you to do like a few takes so they can get different angles. Oh, no, no. Yeah, I ain't going up to LA Leakers. Those are my friends, but I ain't trying to give them 89 bars, but yeah. Yeah, I wrote some of it on a plane. Some of it was just bars I had in my phone, and I ain't trying to give them 89 bars, but yeah. Yeah, I wrote some of it on the plane.

Some of it was just bars I had in my phone, and I just kind of pieced it together and just kept listening to it over and over and over again. I always have a problem memorizing. Yeah, you're killing me with it in your problem. I thought it was up. But I was just up for it, man. You know what I'm saying?

Nah, you disrespect it. The last time I did something, I did Flex. You know, shout out to Flex. Yeah. And I hadn't done anything since then. Right. So I just really wanted to, like... Do you be tired when people, like, ask you to rhyme?

Now, especially after that, someone's... Everyone is going to want to expect that for their show. Like, everyone's going to be... I don't... Man, I feel bad saying no, man. Right, right, right. You can't say no to everybody. Especially when it's it's like sway, you know what I'm saying?

Like cosmic calf, you know what I mean? Like I feel bad saying. Big up cosmic calf, big up sway. I feel bad saying no, man. But it's like, if I can't, if it can't be like at least close to a moment, man, I don't want to put myself in that position. Because I know, you know, what I'm capable of doing. And I hate to just do some half-assed shit for somebody, you know, that I'm not want to put myself in that position because I know, you know, what I'm capable of doing. And I hate to just do some half ass shit for somebody, you know, that I'm not prepared to do. And I'm always like prepping for so many different things.

So it's hard to just trust me, man. I did the L.A. Lakers thing. I took a hit in another area. Everyone probably hit you, right? Because I did a show. I did a show in Detroit. It was like the did a show. I did a show in Detroit. Uh-huh. It was like the Allegory show.

Okay. And I went up there. It's his name album. Yeah, I forgot the raps. Do a couple songs. Damn. I was up there. Because you were so much focused on LA Liga.

I just didn't have rehearsal days. Okay. Right, right. You know what I mean? Now, something that you made up, like, one of the illest hashtags on instagram is you made up i don't know if you're aware of this is every time a girl like i just seen laurie harvey they was like hi laurie harvey and it dates back to hi rihanna yeah let's take us through that course because why did you feel like you had to say hi rihanna 15 000 times um

and it was and it's for some how it worked damn i can't even remember what i was thinking at the time when i wrote it when i wrote i wrote that though okay oh you wrote i wrote that you told me that's what a bg cypher yeah yeah i wrote that i wrote that for that okay and i remember the whole reward saying hi rihanna and then now it's a hashtag. Yeah, I just wanted it to be catchy, you know? I'm just wanting, I was just trying to come up with something catchy, you know, same way you know, that we write songs, you know what I mean? Like, I just wanted to

write something that I felt like was for that moment, that was plausible for that moment, you know what I mean? And Rihanna was hot at that time. She is hot still. She's still hot. She's hot right now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, I just... Was that was hot at that time She's hot still She's hot right now Yeah I mean it's just you know Was that your shot at her? You thought she was going to like DM you or something?

I don't know if I was thinking that I don't know if I was giving myself that much credit But I mean I just I think I was just expressing my love to her. All right. No, that's it. We all love her. We all love her.

I mean, I was just speaking for us all. You know what I mean? No, and now everyone uses that thing every time. Like, I guess that's like flirting words. Like, they'll say, hi, Lori Harvey, or they'll say, hi, you know, Amber Rose or whatever. But it all boils down to you. Did she ever respond to that at all? She said hi back on Twitter.

Oh, that's all. That's her response. Hey man, listen, that was good enough for me. In my mind, he went on a date just because of that. So now, the big thing that's happening right now, you went to the Breakfast Club. Mm-hmm. You were, I believe you spoke on T Grizzly.

Mm-hmm. And then. Grizzley responded back. And I got to be honest, when I heard you speak on The Breakfast Club, I 1 million percent agree with you. When I heard T. Grizzley say it, I did understand his point. Then I listened to it a third time, listened to you a third time,

listened to him a third time. And I pretty much was a split decision. Because in order for you to get your point, you had to be in this game for 10, 15 years. So I understand how he can relate that. But then I understand him as well for him saying, you know, which I don't know. And I won't disapprove or anything like that. But he's saying I got one foot in it. And then so I don't believe you addressed that yet.

So I would love to hear that. And I heard you had a conversation with him after that. Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. I understand where you're coming from. Yeah. I understand where you're coming from. I think I didn't go in depth about me and Marshall's conversation. So I can understand.

On the Burmese Club, you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. So I can understand how it can be misconstrued. It's this simple, though. Okay? Number one, I'm not like this guy who, like, behind closed doors determines when and where and how Marshall raps and when he's going to rap. We were just having a conversation.

You know what I mean? So the whole point was to let these guys know that you never know who's watching. And just to be careful not to burn bridges right and the reason why the reason why? The reason why So this is one of the things that I expressed to him when we talked. This is after he addressed the situation? Okay. So I made a song called Lighters.

Okay. Right? Okay, it was a song that I had that was on my album. You know what I'm saying? So when me and Marshall did the Bad Mecevo album, we ended up putting that song on the Bad Meesevo album. We put Bruno Mars on it. Big hit song.

You know, like the biggest song of the year. Number one song of the year. So, I tried to use that energy to build Slaughterhouse. So that's how we came up, that's how I came up with a song called My Life for Slaughterhouse, which ended up not being the right song for Slaughterhouse.

OK. OK. Now, the fact that I had a song of that magnitude and wasn't able to build Slaughterhouse and I also wasn't able to build myself off of that song. And it's only because of the energy, the massive amount of energy that Marshall and Bruno brought to the song. Right. So when you're talking about building a brand, which I'm very familiar with, there's a way that that's done. So when I had this conversation with Marshall, it was way in the beginning for T. Now, T is the first of his kind from Detroit. He's the first guy who's ever came through the door with no stamp from nobody. Sean had Kanye. I had Marshall.

Obie had Marshall. Sean had Kanye. I had Marshall. Obie had Marshall. Everybody had something. He's the first of his kind to come with a classic record out of the gate. You know what I'm saying? On his own. Wow. So I just didn't, I don't want to see Marshall jump in and step on that. Overshadow that, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So like what I was trying to explain to him, like I would never give my opinion in a way that's going to hurt you. You know what I'm saying? I want nothing but the best for you. If I make a decision, it's because me as an OG, I know what's best. Right.

But that doesn't mean... In your opinion. In my opinion. It doesn't mean that my opinion is the determining factor. Right. It just means that's how I feel. Right.

But the point that I was making on The Breakfast Club is just to be careful. Right. Because I didn't stop the song from happening. Right. He stopped the song from happening by dissing Marshall on the album. Right.

But I also said it's not something that can't be repaired. Right. So accountability is a big part of communication. Being able to hold yourself accountable. And it's also a huge part of success. That's what I need my youngins to understand. In your opinion, what was his discrepancies? What was his problem?

That he reached out to Em and Em didn't reach back? Or he wanted to get him on record? We didn't get into that. Oh, okay. We didn't talk. You mean, why did he shoot at him on record? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think it was a particular reason.

I think it was more supposed to come off like a friendly jab. Okay. Because when I talked to him about it, he was like, I didn't think, I ain't think it was a supposed to come off like a friendly jab because when i talked to him about it he was like i didn't think i ain't think it was a big deal what i said about him you know what i'm saying so we came to this conclusion if we're in communication more we don't have a problem right because that way i don't i won't be presumptuous i won't assume you mean abc you won't assume i mean abc we'll just always be clear. And that's how we should be. You know what I'm saying?

Why is it always like that? Why does it seem like we beef with people from our inner cities? It's just something we used to doing that. Because I can understand why the youngins in the comments, it's like, oh, you hating on T because they used to niggas hating. They used to the OGs

hating. Same thing happened to me. Niggas hating on me, you know what I'm saying? Like, man, I refuse. I refuse to use my platform and divide up against my youngins. And what's the difference between beef and then just having friendly competition, like hip-hop just battling? Well, hip-hop sometimes don't have friendly competition. No, I know, but I i don't know the answers but what do you think in this situation that line is crossed i think i think i mean honestly in my

opinion i think he probably was just looking for something to create some more smoke so he can keep that moment going he came out the gate with a classic that's a tough tough position to be in especially when you're just getting out of jail. You don't really, because I don't, the song is so flawless and it's so organic, I don't think he even really knew what he did when he did that song. And it resonated with everybody like that. So to have to recreate that same moment, it's tough to do. You know what I'm saying?

Like to keep that going, to keep that going. And I think that Em's level of success and sometimes my level of success, I think that they sometimes assume that we're just detached in a way where we're not paying them no attention and we're not for them. And my thing is I need to take the steps. I need to take the steps to be able to bridge that gap just to make sure that they understand. Even if it takes for us to come outside of our comfort zone and somehow meet halfway.

And I need him to understand that the unity is where the power is at. The power is in the collective. I heard you say that. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, we understood each other after we talked. You know what I'm saying? And what mile is he from? Is everyone from a mile in Detroit?

No, no. I think T is from the west side. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? And what mile is he from? Is everyone from a mile in Detroit? No, no. I think T is from, he's from the west side, I know. I don't know exactly where from because he's so much younger than me. Okay. But I don't know exactly. He's a west sider, though. Okay.

He's a west sider. Well, big up to you, Grizzly. He's a good dude, too. I want all y'all dudes from the D to get along, man. You know what I'm saying? No, we're going to be, man, listen, listen. Man, we're going to be good. All of us are going to be good. Everybody's going to be good.

Nobody's going to, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. I'm not going to let that happen. You know what I'm saying? So this situation, I feel like I'm ahead of it. I feel like I have enough control over it as the OG. And I've been here before you know I mean like I'm comfortable I'm comfortable in this space because I know I know how to turn things around

and flip them into a positive I know how it is with what the outcome is on the negative end we've been there you know what I'm saying what did you think the first time, like, when you seen, like, him? Because, like, I believe he, on the gram, he was like, why would you block me then? Why would you say no? Like, what was the first thing that came to your mind? I was thinking to myself, block you? Brother, block you? All right. But before I could even, like, before my mind could go in any direction, Jalen Rose has already hit me.

He's blowing me up. That's right, because y'all from the – Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jalen Rose has already hit me. Right. Like, yo, yo, I need to make sure that you and Tee Grizzley see eye to eye, man. Let me know if I can link y'all. And I hit him back like, of course.

Right. Of course. And we got right on the text thread, and he was like – Tee was like, T was like, I think it may just be a misunderstanding. And I hit him back, absolutely, young brother, let's just talk.

And I said, I asked him, was he going to be free in an hour? He said, yeah. Called him in an hour, we kicked it. It was quick. Goddamn, you was trying to say something?

No problem. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yo, by fall, we're going to have to do this whole... My bad, my bad. Wait. No problem. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yo, if I fall, we gonna have to do this whole... Yeah, yeah, yeah, my bad, my bad. Wait. What, the joint got, it's broken in the bottom?

No, I'm like leaning... Damn, we got a bad chair? I ain't know. We got another one over there. We got another one over there. Let's switch it up. I can stay like this though. No, no, no, no, we'll switch you out.

I ain't even know we got bad chairs. Yeah. Coronavirus fucking everything over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I had to switch chairs. Mad heroin. You won't believe in that now.

Yes, sir. So go ahead. I had to let him know it's love and respect before anything. You know what I'm saying? I talked to a few people in passing about them. And the word on the youngest now is, oh, man, they just young.

They young, stupid. They crazy. They young, stupid. I'd never give up on none of them. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that's just. We were young and stupid.

Yeah, because I was young and stupider probably. You know what I mean? And they young geniuses, man. Like, T. Grizzly did some shit that none of us did. Right. None of us. And that needs to be saluted. You know what I'm saying?

So, like, a win for him is a win for me. Like, you said even M had a cosign. Even M had a cosign, brother. You know what I'm saying? So, for him to come out the gate like that out of nowhere, bow, before I even knew who he was, I heard about him through fucking Worldstar. And I'm from Detroit. You know how amazing that is? So it's like, you know, why would I want to block that?

Now, Neem is a synonymous with Detroit. It's Trick Trick. Like, I always think, like, anytime there's beef brewing within, like, Detroit, that's the guy who steps in. Am I bugging? Sometimes. Sometimes. It depends on what the situation is me and trick

you know we tight right we didn't even speak about this right this didn't even this this came nowhere near that wow no calls got made where it wasn't on that level of beef yeah in detroit it's it's it's a little small when you're talking about important people. So no calls got made. I think he was really challenging the OGs, which he's supposed to do. Right. You know what I mean? We don't always do everything right. They got to make sure we on our toes too.

And I told him that. I told him, yo, if there's ever something you think I'm not doing or you think I'm not doing right, you can always call me and challenge me. You know what I'm saying? Bring it to me. Make sure that I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to do. And I'll not doing right, you can always call me and challenge me. Right. You know what I'm saying? Bring it to me. Make sure that I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to do, and I'll do the same with you. Let's keep pushing each other like that,

and let's make this shit great. Let's make the city great. Let's break all the cycles. You know what I mean? We did the bickering back and forth on TV for the world to see us look like some fucking buffoons. Wow. You know what I mean?

Beef this, beef that, beef this. There's no money in that. No money in that, no power in that, no anything in that. There's only one type of person who can monetize that, and that's the powers that be. You know what I mean?

We'll never be on the same team as them because everything about them is to our detriment. And as long as we continue to divide, we'll always be pawns on that chessboard. We got to start thinking different. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm trying to get them to understand. And we all are a work in progress. And I'm going to continue to just keep doing my part.

And I'm going to keep showing them love the way that I'm supposed to. Goddamn. Make some noise for that. Goddamn. How did that convo with M on your album, like how did that

skit come about? Him talking about what he was talking about? You took it back to the old school with the skits, man. And even Jack D drink champs on the skits.

Guess what? We don't care. Hip hop. You ain't got to pull off some flimmin'. Don't worry about it. But that was deep. That was deep

what he was talking about, you know, and it was crazy. Y'all be kicking that shit on here. No, we got you. We got you, brother. But what you was saying?

No, he got him on a skit. I mean, was that meant to be a skit? Was that a convo y'all recorded for something else? Yeah. How did that come about?

We were having a conversation. We're talking about a lot of deep things. Talking about white privilege, talking about hip-hop, about being a guest in hip-hop, stuff Lord Jamar be talking about. We're talking about everything. Oh, wow. We're talking about everything. I mean, me and him, I ain't spoke to him in a minute, but me and him, we sit on the phone for hours

and just talk about different things, different things, how they're affecting us, how they affect our day. You know, perspective is like a big, a big topic of conversation. Perspective, the way that people see things and why we think that people see things a certain way. You know what i mean so we were just kicking it and he just talked for like maybe 10-15 minutes straight i didn't say a word he was just going off not on no like mad shit but just he was just kicking some shit like but on something like this is gonna be a skit for something no No, he was just talking. Sometimes you just get the Holy Ghost in a conversation. Exactly. And I was just sitting there listening to him.

I was just like, wow. How's it being recorded then? No, no, no, no, no. This isn't what you heard. This is only what I heard. Okay, okay, okay. So after we got off the, after we was done talking,

I was like, yo, do you think if I sent you a beat, you could say everything that you just said or some derivative of it? Right. And he was like, shit, I don't even know what I just said. He was like, but I could try.

You know what I'm saying? So I sent him a beat the next day. And he went in and he talked for 12 minutes. Wow. He talked for 12 minutes. And I went up to the studio and I listened to it. And of course, he wanted to run it by Paul. That's his partner.

Right. So he sent it to Paul. Paul just took it. Paul has a way of, like, hearing things. And he himself edited it down. You know what I mean? Like, we rappers, we babble. Paul edited it?

Yeah, Paul edited it. Okay. You know Paul is an attorney, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Paul took the fluff out. You know Paul is an attorney, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Paul took the fluff out. You know what I mean? Like, he edited out all the fluff and then made it a straight thought.

You know what I'm saying? So he probably cut it down to like, what was it, six minutes maybe? All right. Yeah, and he cut it down. And that's what you guys heard is what he edited it down to. But there's still six minutes

of cutting room floor stuff. Yeah, yeah. That did make it up. That makes some fucking noise. We got that. Now, the first time you spoke to Pharrell, y'all battled on the phone? The very first time, yes.

I didn't even know what to see. I wonder if Pharrell will remember this. Okay, I'm sure he does. I wonder if he will remember this. It was me, Pharrell, Marshall, and there's a group from Ohio called The Clinic. I can't remember how many of them it was, but them niggas was nice. So it was The Clinic, it was Pharrell, it was me, it was Marshall,

and everybody was taking turns just rapping. On the phone? On the phone. Crazy conference call. What year was this? This is still the 90s. Yeah, it's definitely going to What year was this? This is still the 90s. Because this is before. This is definitely going to be the 90s. This is before he got signed.

This is at least 99. He meaning who? Pharrell? Marshall. Okay. This is before Marshall got signed. Oh, but if it's 99, then that's after Superdog. That's after what?

So this is before that then. This is before that. No, no. Then that's 97. This is 98, bro. Well is before that? No, no. Then this is 97. This is 98, bro. Well, Superdog came out in 98. Superdog came out in 98? 98.

Superdog came out in 98. Yeah. So it got to be 97. Yeah. So it may have been 97. Or maybe you know what? It might be the beginning of 98. Yeah.

Because Superdog came out in June. Yeah. Because this is definitely before that, bro. Okay. Because I would have known him from you. Okay. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying?

Because I was following you. Okay. So we didn't know him as. Oh, so you didn't. All right. So I didn't describe him as that. Yeah, yeah, okay. I would have known him from you. Okay. Oh, I was following you. Okay, so we didn't know him So you don't even know what is this so I know he's a producer but I don't know him I have I don't connect him to You okay. Okay, you know, so Rob or Teddy Riley Rob Walker Rhea Rob Walker Eric Rhea they're Rob Walker, Eric Ria. They're working at Quest Records.

You remember when Rob worked at Quest? Yeah, that's my man. That's my man, Rob. They A&R's at Quest Records. And he's like, yeah, Rob got this. And Derrick Jackson. Derrick Jackson. My nigga Derrick Jackson.

Quest is Quincy Jones' label. Yes, yes, yes. For people that don't know. And Derrick Jackson, that's the one who started Madison Scott's store after that? Yes. Okay, Tommy Boy Records. Okay, cool. And Derrick Jackson, that's the one who started Madison Scott's store after that? Yes, yes. Okay, on Tom and Boy Records. Okay, cool. So Derrick Jackson,

he talking the most shit. Okay. He's like, yeah, nigga. Like, he's the one who put the clinic on the phone and you know they all like, yeah, I got my nigga. Well, I got my nigga.

So Rob had Pharrell. Right. Rick had, Eric had me. Right. I had Marshall. I brought him in. Right.

And then, and then Derrick Jackson put the clinic on the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we, I have Marshall. I brought him in and then So we so we we on the phone and then we are just going Everybody just going taking turns going and all right while we wrap it Marshall. Yeah for real Yeah, everyone and who else is on this one the clinic clinic and everyone is Including for a holy moly guacamole and, including Pharrell. Including Pharrell. Holy moly guacamole. And I remember Pharrell, he reminded me a lot of Nas.

I remember thinking he was smooth, super smooth with it. He just kept rapping about a Ben's wagon. He just kept saying something about a Ben's wagon. And I remember I kept saying, what the fuck is a Ben's wagon? And now that I look at it in retrospect, the nigga probably had two or three of them at that moment. You know what the crazy shit is? When I look back in time, I used to look at Pharrell's watches, right? Now I'm a big watch guy, right? I wasn't back then.

But I used to look at his watches and I used to be like, this fucking cheap-ass rubber watch. Years later, I figured out that it was a fucking Richard Mille. He had one back then? He had one back then. Not in the 90s. I'm talking about like mid-2000s. Okay. Yeah, but he was already popping back then. No, but I'm saying no one knew what a rubber watch was.

We had G-Shocks and Swatch watches. Swatch watches, yeah. We had the shit you got on right now, brother, and you're getting a lot of money, goddammit. This is my watch. Yeah, so he's been advanced. But that's crazy the advanced that you were. That means you actually spoke to him prior to me. Because I met him

I met him one day flew out the next day and then recorded with him the next day. So that means you technically met Pharrell before me. But you got in the studio with him first. Oh I got in the studio and I knew it. As soon as I met his weird ass as soon as he came to me

he said no one listens to me. The first person who listens to me is going to get number one. And I said. Did he say that? He said that. Bro, he's a chronic jewel dropper. And for some reason, I believed him. Like, listen, by the way, I got the number one record at the time.

I got the record called N.O.R.E. N.O.R.E. stands for niggas on the run eating. My album's done. Rob Walker talks to Martin Moore and they get me in the studio and he's like your album's not done like he was cocky

back then like I was like what and it's just Pharrell this is no this is Pharrell and Chad but Pharrell's always been the front runner

he's always been like the talker Chad is there but Pharrell so he's like no your album's not done and I'm like I'm like dude

like that's how cocky he was back then I'm like dude I actually literally handed him my album he's like, no, your album's not done. And I'm like, dude, that's how cocky he was back then. I'm like, dude, I actually literally handed in my album. He's like, it's not done. So if you listen to Superthug, if you listen to what, what, what, at the end, it'd be like N-O-R-E, Nori, the remix. Because we try to sneak it on as a remix. You know what I'm saying?

Because the album was already done. But moving on. So I also heard you're the reason why no artist is allowed to go to Tom Silverman's apartment. I feel bad about that, man. Come on, Dr. Moon, I feel bad. Let's get into it, right? Let's get into it, right? Come on.

Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on.

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this is De La Soul's tuning in for right now. Okay. You was in, okay, let's go. Yeah, so, um, I did a meeting, I did a meeting, I did a meeting with Tommy Boy, me and Eric, we did a meeting with Tommy Boy with a cat named Tyrone. Tyrone.

This is after you made the decision to go with Tommy Boy or Dr. Dre? This is before. So this is first we did the meeting. He said he fucked with the music. I think he passed. Yeah, he passed. He passed. So when I started working with Dre and Marshall,

I was working with Dre on the Chronic. Word got around the industry that I was working with Marshall and Drake. I was around them. And everybody on the East Coast, all the labels on the East Coast, wanted to meet again once they found out. Of course. So I went back and I met with Tommy Boy with the same records. Did he have Eyeliner on when you met him?

Tom Silverman? Yeah. I don't remember. The homie said, yeah. Yeah, he's like on a regular date. He'll just have eyeliner on. It's the weirdest shit in the world. You're looking like, yeah, your eyeliner running, homie.

Okay, go ahead. Continue. Yeah, so when I went back, the meeting was a little bit different. You know, like the whole staff was in there. Everybody was kind of like, and everybody was all excited about these same records that they passed on. All right. So one thing led to another. I ended up signing a deal with them.

They gave me a million dollars. So I feel like we've got to make some noise. Yeah, come on, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We'll continue. We'll sorry. Let's continue. We'll continue. We'll continue.

Yeah, so Tom Silverman, he bet the farm on me, so to speak, I think. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think that was the last kind of deal like that that he did. He really believed in me. That's why I got respect from him. And this is 2000 and... This is shit, 99, right? No, 99. Okay. 2000? Yeah, yeah. I remember that. And this is 2000 and... This is shit, 99, right? No, 99, okay.

2000? Yeah, yeah, I remember. 2000, yeah. Wait. Because I didn't get to Tommy Boy yet. I remember. Yeah. Okay.

Because I remember... And Kill, Dan Keevin's there from the beginning then. Yeah, yeah. And you know why I remember? Because you were there prior to me. And I was always on Tommy Boy, but Tommy Boy was... I'm on Penalty. Penalty was owned by Tommy Boy. Because you were there prior to me. And I was always on Time Boy, but Time Boy was,

I'm on Penalty. Penalty was owned by Time Boy. Yeah. But then they kicked Penalty out, and then I was fully on Time Boy, but you was there prior. So that's why I know those years had to be.

You was one of the reasons why I went over there. Oh, yeah. Listen. I think a lot. Let me just tell you something about Tom Silverman. A lot of people,

they get slack. If you show Tom Silverman that you're working and you got some, like, he will put the bank up. He will. Like we of people, they get slack. If you show Tom Silverman that you're working and you got some, like, he will put the bank up. He will. Like, we just said, that's why you can see

how I didn't flinch. But, it's just, I feel like, you know, hearing De La Soul's story, like, and hearing the practices that he takes, he owes a lot more to hip-hop. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, the thing about it is this. We know we signed these, these kid deals when we was there. And for it to be 20, 30, 25 years, 30 years later, I think people deserve it. Whether you're recouped or not, if you have an album for 30 years, 20 years, 25 years, I think the rightful thing to do is split it. Yeah, because everything else is changing.

Technology. Exactly. Or give the rights back. Or give the rights back. If you own my album for 20, if I owned your album for 20 years ago and you came to me and said, yo, Nori, let's do a split.

Not only would I want to split it with you, but because I know you would want to go out there and promote it. I feel sad sometimes when I go online and I stream a De La Soul show. And they won't even do those records. Right.

Like, they, like... Because they don't make any of the off-the-publishing stuff. What I'm talking about, they won't even perform sometimes. Like, at least I see, like, you know, Treacher and Naughty by Nature. At least they'll still perform those records and stuff like that.

Like, sometimes it's like, I want to hear Potholes in my lawn. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to hear all that stuff. But that bothers me. So, Tom Silverman, I don't know if you're listening, but I think you can make it right, man. I think it's not too late. You know what I'm saying? Of course. But that bothers me. So Tom Silverman, I don't know if you're listening, but I think you can make it right, man.

I think it's not too late. You know what I'm saying? But moving on. So what happened in the apartment, though? So we needed somewhere to stay at in order for me to record the album. Wow. So he gave us his apartment, you know, one of his spots that he had. Wow.

He's subleasing this big-ass apartment. I'm not going to say where, because I don't know if he still has it. Yeah, yeah, no problem. But it was a great apartment, man. It was a great apartment. And I know, I remember just being in there. I remember just being in there.

My bro came into town. This was when Marshall won the Moon, man. Marshall won his first Moon, man. That night, we were all just, like, happy for him. You know what I mean? And everybody was, like, drunk and high. And I remember it being about 10, 15 niggas in the apartment.

And everybody was from Detroit. Everybody flew in and everybody was staying in my, well, it was my apartment at the time, in my mind. Right, yeah. You know, so. You were occupying it. I just remember, I just remember my big bro getting into it with somebody that he brought with him. And I remember them having words and grabbing each other.

And I remember my bro grabbing him and pulling him into the bathroom and slamming the door behind him. And I'm hearing nothing but just ruckus in the bathroom. And I was just thinking to myself, like, it's not going to be good. This is not going to be good.

This is not going to be good in there. Yo, so about five minutes later, they come out breathing all hard, and I hear my big bro like, because what the dude was supposed to be like muscle. And he's like, I ain't supposed to be able to throw your big ass around like that. Oh, my God.

So I go in the bathroom, and the fucking shower rod is torn down. The mirror is off the wall. There's go in the bathroom, and the fucking shower rod is torn down. The mirror is off the wall. I didn't see the mirror. The floor is in the wall, bro. It couldn't be worse than what I saw in there. And I remember just thinking to myself, like, damn. And then, you know, they stayed for a couple days,

so the whole apartment was kind of like trash. It looked like some rockers had stayed there. So the housekeeping lady came, and she didn't even clean it. She just took one look at it and turned around and walked out. She did like a report. I guess weekly she has to do like a report. She did a report and she said,

and I quote. How did my housekeeper do that? I quote. She said it looked like a crack house in there. Whoa. And that's what she told. That's what she told. I wonder what her reference point was. So what was Tom's phone call to you?

I never spoke to Tom Silverman after that. Wow. Never spoke to him after that. They just told us we had to get out the apartment. And when I went to turn the album in, we had a meeting. Was Tom at that meeting? The last meeting? No, he. Was Tom at that meeting? The last meeting?

No, he wasn't even at that meeting. So we went to play the album. And they waited until we were done. We had five Neptune records. Five Neptune records. Two Just Blaze records. Who else did we have, Keena? We had Primo records.

We had a star-studded lineup up of producers and after we were done playing the record they were like okay okay we like the songs but we don't know who you are by listening to these songs and I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the fuck they were talking about I thought they were hating

I was doing that accountability thing that we do when we young I couldn't hold myself accountable for shit I I thought they were hating. I was doing that accountability thing that we do when we young. I couldn't hold myself accountable for shit. I was like, they're hating on me. And they didn't end up accepting the album, so they didn't release it. And that's how I ended up getting released from Tommy Boy,

so I can move to Sony, to Columbia. Wow. Yeah. That's how the Tommy Boy thing ended. I wasn't able to present an album to them that they felt was... And you think that was because of the apartment thing? Or because you think that you wasn't showing them what they...

In retrospect, the apartment thing probably had a little bit to do with it, but I didn't know how to make an album. I just didn't. You don't think it was a cohesive album? Yeah, it wasn't cohesive. It was all over the place. If I can remember back properly, it was just a album? Yeah, it wasn't cohesive. It was all over the place. If I can remember back properly, it was just

a bunch of different songs. I was rapping good on all the songs. Wow. But there wasn't a complete thought. And that's, people wonder why

to this day I use skits and my... So when that person said to you, we don't know who you are, you now think that that was great advice?

Yes. Oh, wow. Yes, I think that... You thought that was artistic critique of that album? Yes. Now, but back then you didn't think of it. I didn't understand it? Yes. Oh, wow. Yes, I think that... You thought that was artistic critique of that album? Yes. Now, but back then you didn't think of that. I didn't understand it back then.

Yeah, yeah. I think that every artist should do at least one self-defining album. I think that every artist should find their own self-definition. What the fuck, bro? Could we not have more noises happening in this episode? Yeah, so that self-defining thing,

you gotta go out and you gotta find that. You gotta find out who you are. And once you get to that place where you know who you are, express that. And preferably if you could do it your first album so you can get that out the way. It can be like an introduction, kind of like how Reasonable Doubt is, how Yomatic is. If you can do that, you know, that out the way. It can be like an introduction, kind of like how Reasonable Doubt is, how EOMATIC is.

If you can do that, you know, War Report, exactly. If you can do that from there, it's very easy to build the brand from there. That's kind of crazy for me to hear you say that, though. That's kind of crazy for me to hear that you didn't think your first was that. It wasn't.

It wasn't because you know why? You know why? Because I was fresh out of the open mics right so i was fresh off that phone call with pharrell and them you know what i'm saying like i was a battle rapper i was a i just you know my first love was battling mcs rapping about how good i could rap impressing other mcs my only dream was just to be accepted by red man and rascals right you know what i mean so you know i did all my evolving in the fire you know what i'm saying like is is that recording process m did a joint with the neptunes around this time no he um i remember us getting in the studio with Pharrell

for the... Because they've never on record done a record together, right? Oh, yeah, that's right. Damn, I forgot about that. Yeah, we did. We did. We did a song called She the One.

Me and Marshall did over a Neptune beat called She the One. But that's never seen the light of day. I think it may have been on YouTube or something. It's never been... Not officially released. Officially released, no. Right, right, right the one. But that's never seen the light of day. I think it may have been on YouTube or something. It's never been released. Not officially released.

Officially released. Right, right, right. No. And we also got in the studio together for the, what was the football movie with LL Cool J? And Jamie Foxx. Oh, with Any Given Sunday. Any Given Sunday. Right?

It was that movie. You're on that soundtrack, aren't you? We didn't know because Pharrell was on track. Any Given Sunday. I need my plaque for that movie. You're on that soundtrack, aren't you? Because Pharrell was on track. And he gave him Sunday. I need my plaque for that, too. Yeah, CNN. CNN's on that. Yo, Diego, can you write that down, too?

I got it. And he gave him Sunday. Oh, you're connecting your plaques now? Yeah, I'm giving my affiliate all my plaques. I'm missing nothing to lose. I'm missing I-95 soundtrack. I'm missing Foxy Brown joint. I'm missing, what was that just now?

And he gave him Sunday. And he gave him Sunday. And I'm missing like two or three more. Bro, I don't have my chronic plaque. Nah, I ain't going to lie. You're disrespectful. Yeah. I'm not going to lie.

You are disrespectful. DJ Clue. DJ Clue. I should have a DJ Clue plaque. Two. I got two DJ Clues. Yeah. Yeah, shout out to DJ Clue.

And I just don't have any more space on the wall because- Make space. Mr. Porter. Mr. Porter. You know who else is going to put my R. Kelly plaque? I got an R. Kelly plaque. I'm so sorry. So I'm putting the shit up.

And I was going to put an X over it, like, look like off-white. But it's going to be off-R. Like, you know, I don't want to throw the plaque away. No, you shouldn't. I mean, you should throw the plaque away. It's eight million. I don't want to throw the plaque away. It's the work you do, bro. But I don't want to hang it up eight million. I don't want to throw the flag away. It's the work you do, bro.

But I don't want to hang it up, though. Hang it up. I mean, notice that people come to the crib, they're like, oh, shit. And then they all came like, oh. I used to look them back at, oh. I had nothing to do with that shit, all right? But you know what I'm talking about.

I didn't know. I'm going to put a black X over there. So they're going to say, is it off white? I'm going to say, no, it's off R. Yeah, but I'm collecting my cup and collecting my plastic. Crazy. I get it. I get it.

Damn, we went crazy. We went crazy. All right, cool. I got notes here, goddammit. Hold on. So you spent a year in jail for drinking? Yeah. How the hell does that?

What kind of, what was you drinking, brother? What was I drinking? Yeah, yeah. It's very specifically what the fuck was I drinking. Okay, okay. It's probably like you was drinking a straight direct-to-jail drink. Yeah, I was drinking a Don't Pass, Go Patron. Okay, oh yeah.

That's right, I see. Patron Silver. I remember you was a super straight Patron guy. Out-the-bottle type nigga, not even sharing. Yeah. Yeah, okay. What happened? Yeah, so I was drinking Patron.

And what happened was I was drinking and driving. I got pulled over late at night one night. And my lawyer, I remember my lawyer, when I got that offense, pushing the court date back. Because we were going to try and beat it.

So they put me on this program called jams and that's basically where they assign you a color and if they if they um if your color comes up you got to check every day you got to call this number every day and if you call it and you hear your color you got to go blow into a device that next morning wow and um my color came I went go blow into a device that next morning. Wow. And my color came, I went and blew into the device and I blew dirty because I was drinking the night before.

Okay, okay. So damn, that's something that kids need to know. So if you drink the night before, that shit is still in your system

in the morning. Don't let nobody else tell you different. Yeah, for sure, bro. Because you know, I let somebody, that's what it was. I wasn't lit up.

How about drugs and shit? I wasn't lit up it was. I wasn't, like, lit up. How about drugs and shit? I wasn't lit up. No, I wasn't lit up the night before. It depends on the drug. Is the drug still in there? Yeah, I wasn't lit up the night before, but I drank the night before. And somebody told me, yeah, man, all you got to do is just stop drinking at, you know,

11 o'clock or whatever he said. They tell me that all the time, Royce. That's a lie. Don't listen to them niggas, man. That's a lie. Don't listen to them niggas. Oh, my God. They want you to die.

Oh, my God. All right, guys. Yeah, so, you know, I'm listening to this stupid nigga, so I go and I blow dirty. So that's an offense. And then before I can even go to court to rectify anything, I get another one, another DUI. Wow. I get pulled over again. Oh, my God.

So I got two in the air at the same time, and I blew dirty. Terrible odds. Terrible. Terrible. Oh, and I got driving with license suspended offenses running concurrent. Wow. Well, you had bench warrants already? No, no, no, no.

It's just that when you get caught drinking and driving, suspended license is another charge that we don't even discuss because the drinking and driving is such a big deal. But the driving while license is suspended is just a bigger deal. Right. I see you didn't pull up today like DMX. You did not pull up today. You had a driver. You was very conservative.

He's not drinking no more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's clean. I'm not going to lie. Listen, wherever I go with DMX, the driver drives for about 10 minutes, and the ex will be like, more, dog. Like, oh, no. No, no, no, no, no.

Let me get out of the car. Hold on. Before anything happens, like, he loves to drive. He's a speed racer. Let me tell you something, brother. Like, this is my eighth year of going on eight years sober. Right. Got to make some noise for that.

And just so you know, I don't want you to stop when you're going with it. Just so you know, today, this is my third drink chance. I'm only drinking water. I'm only drinking water

because I figured, I figured, I said, you know what? Let me join them this time. Come on, don't make me feel bad. No, no, no, no.

I'm saying, I'm still getting high. I'm still smoking weed. But I could do, I could do a drink chance. You know, he's not drinking. It's okay.

And I'm sort of vegetarian fasting. You know what I'm saying? Vegetarian fasting? What is that? Yeah, because I'm still eating cheese. Oh. Yeah, but you know what I mean? But I'm like, you know, I'm from New York.

You got to eat a pizza. You look slimmer since I seen you. I've been trying. Thank you, man. Take it a little over the top. God damn, smile nigga. That's my nigga. So, what the fuck was you talking about?

What was going on? You was talking. In Kerala. I was saying I'm eight years sober now. Eight years sober. Eight years sober now, and I'm still having it. I'm speaking at sobriety events. Wow.

You know, do charitable things. Wow. Preaching nothing but positivity. Oh, you used to smoke weed too as well? Do nothing, nothing. No. I don't do anything. No, I'm talking about back then.

You used to smoke weed? Nope, just drink. Just drink. Okay. And you think that that was like, that was a downfall for you, drinking, because of how much you drank? Yeah, I think the amount that I drank

would be anybody's downfall. Right. You know? I just don't think it's possible to be productive and not really be coherent most of the day. Right, right. You know, like, I wasn't even really good for a phone call after 10 p.m.

Right. Unless you, like, close friend of mine and we, like, talking crazy shit. Right. I couldn't conduct business after 10 p.m.

Wow. You know what I mean? Because I was just, I just used to be lit up. And I mean, it's just, you know, it started out fun. Right.

Then it just turned into a problem. Right. You know? And I got, I'm obsessive compulsive by nature. You know, me and you talked about that the other day. But, yeah, I'm obsessive compulsive by nature. What that means is whatever you into, you into.

You go in. I go all the way with it. Like, if you eat pussy, you eating ass, too. You Eddie Giggins? You Eddie Giggins? That's what that mean, though, basically. You weren't there, bro. Yeah. That's like. that's what that mean though basically you weren't there it's like

let me be honest two orifices you know what I'm saying I gotta understand they wasn't so close to you good okay

so um what was your conversation with Joe after he um M diss uh Nick Cannon my conversation with

Fat Joe no no no excuse me excuse me what was your conversation with Joe Button after no no excuse me excuse me what's the conversation with joe button after button uh dissed eminem after he you mean when he's when he uh when he talked about his album he said yeah he said that he said the um um trash or something like that yeah i don't i don't remember exactly what i said what what was said um i just remember us having a long conversation where he expressed how he felt about

it and i expressed how i felt about it i think i had just i just went on this podcast as well right yeah i went i went i did um i had just did my rollout for my for my album my last album book of ryan and i remember i went through that whole rollout and I remember just I kept having to like talk about Joe. And a negative. I kept having to speak about him, but his name kept coming up. But it was more in a negative sort of light. You know, like people were kind of like not pitting us against each other. But the way that his name was coming up, you know, I didn't like it. Because you feel like Joe could have said it different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could have, it was a zillion different ways he could have handled it. But just in regards to me, you know, I think I remember telling him something along the lines of, man, I don't deserve that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't sign up for that You know I mean like I'm it's what we said earlier like I'm I'm just about the rap So I'm not about all of this saying like I'm not about you know the gray area You know it's one thing or the other thing with me. You know I mean like you're my friend. You know and I and

That's how I am with my friends though You know like if there's an issue if I have an something, or if one of my friends have an issue with something, we bring it to the table, we talk about it, we yell about it, whatever needs to happen, and then we come to a solution, a resolution. And that's what we did. We came to a resolution. He apologized to me. He told me he loved me.

He didn't want me to feel like that. I accepted his apology, and that was it. To my jaw. Yeah. Right. And you think it. To my jaw. Yeah. Right. And you think him and Em were rectified in the situation? Or that was just his opinion. It's not really a beef.

I think it's definitely not a beef. It's not a beef. I mean, Em didn't like it. You know, like, I can't. I'd be a fool to sit here and try to speak for Marshall. You know what I mean? Like, he feels how he feels about it. You know, we've had conversations here and there about it. You know, I mean? He feels how he feels about it. We've had conversations here and there about it. Joe feels how he feels. I think anything can be rectified through

conversation if that's something that they chose to do in the future. You know what I'm saying? Right. Nah, that's dope, man. I hope they work it out. I just feel like I get where it's coming from, because it's coming from the inside, you know what I'm saying? And because I think Marshall's, that album still went like platinum, it still went whatever. So like, do you ever think

how weird that is? Like you can see a person like how big Marshall is or how big Jay-Z is and how big Nas is and they pay attention to the littlest like, like the littlest like.

That's kind of like how they got to where they are, bro. That's real. You know what I'm saying? Like if you think about it, that's how they got to where they are, bro. That's real. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you think about it, that's how they got to where they are. And it's like, it's inspiring, man. It's inspiring. I was just talking about this the other day.

I was saying, because you just had Floyd on the show. And one thing that I admire about Floyd in the ring is that the way he makes adjustments. Right. You know, like, the champion in him comes out. Like, when he got caught with the big shot from Shane, the champion in him came out. Right. And that person right there, you cannot judge that person. Right.

You know what I'm saying? That person right there is the top, the tippity top of the top tier. And that's what I think that we're seeing Marshall doing now. He's making his adjustments. Right. You know, like he's been flawless. He went flawless for a lot of years straight and now he's under scrutiny right and he needs to find a different way to do certain things and

now he's making adjustments and they just keep getting better and better and better if you look since revival shit's just been better and better and better now his last this last album that he just put out music to be murdered by right it's shit to me in my opinion it's the best one since recovery you know what i'm saying he's got music already that he's been recording, right? I'm sure. I don't know. I mean, you would know. I'm sure you produce already future music.

You produce on M shit, though. I produce two songs on this album, yeah. I produce two songs on it. I produce You Gon' Learn and Darkness. So nothing that you've produced that you know is coming out still? Not that I'm aware of. But you've given production over. I've given it.

He's probably got some beats of mine that he hasn't rapped to, but I don't know. I don't know what he's been doing. I haven't talked to Marshall in a minute. It's been months. It's been months, so I don't know what he's been doing. But when he's quiet, when he's quiet,

you never know. You never know what he's going to, you know what I mean? Like, he's doing something. He ain't vacationing, I'll tell you that. Now, Tory Lanez,

you and Tory Lanez, y'all had some back and forth. Yeah, on Twitter. Oh, okay. Y'all worked that out? Of course. It wasn't over the hairline or nothing like that. Come on. I'm just saying, on Twitter. Oh, okay. Y'all worked that out? Of course. It wasn't over the hairline or nothing like that. Come on.

I'm just saying, you know. It wasn't like that. Nah, nah. Take a pee-pee. Okay. If I remember properly, he was... Somebody asked me on Twitter if I felt like... This is how they worded it. They said,

do you feel Tory Lanez won against Joyner Lucas? And I tweeted back, no. Because I felt like Joyner won. But I was about to tweet, but

Tory came with it. Because I'm a fan of Tory. And before I could do that, he was on it. Oh yeah, he was on it. He challenged the whole America at one point. Yeah, he was just on one. He was on one at that moment. I love that fire though.

I love that fire. It wasn't no offense taken like that. You really love battle rap like that? I love it. I'm going to tell you the other day, I've been falling off on battle rap. You know, it really takes a couple of hours of your time. Yeah. But the other day, obviously, I was probably one of the first person I know Marshall bigged it up to.

Matt Hopper's, what is it called? My professional opinion or my expert opinion. I've been bigging it up forever because if I can't watch the battles, it's like watching a first take sometimes. Like sometimes I don't watch the games, but I go and listen to the first take. But anyway,

so I'm listening to Mad Papa or whatever. And then it goes off and this is a battle that I just saw. And let me know if you saw this. But a dude, this is the first like friendly battle i saw in

a long time and i could tell these guys were friendly with each other but a dude battling another dude he puts on a walmart outfit did you see this one and smack because one of the dudes worked at walmart and the dude got the dude got the drop that he worked in Walmart. Yo, this was hilarious, my guy. You got to look at this stuff. I don't know. He put the Walmart outfit on. Yeah, so I don't know what's going on because I'm out of the loop, right? So I'm out of the loop, so I don't know what's going on.

I don't know what's going on. Okay, guys. I don't know what's going on. So I'm looking, and he's like, oh, you think I don't know where you work at? So he turns around, and they put a hat hat on him and they put a vest on him. But from the angle I'm watching, I can't tell what that vest is. So he turns around and he goes, some shit. You the dude that when we walk out of the store, you be checking our receipt.

And I was like, oh, shit. This is the craziest shit. So, I mean, it was like the first time because Battle Rap at first to me was your friends, Battle. It was, yo, yo, boom, boom, boom. Then somewhere along the line, you know, let me pick up Mad Papa again. With him, he brung in the snuffing to the game. Oh, yeah. And everyone knows now this is a possibility. You can get snuffed or you might be the one doing the snuffing to the game. Oh, yeah. And everyone knows now this is a possibility. You can get snuffed

or you might be the one doing the snuffing. Right. So it kind of... Now I'm starting to exhalate. I see more and more fights. I even see a white guy actually use the N-word

and they snuffed him, which I think he should have got snuffed again. I think the whole crowd should have snuffed him. But, you know, it's-it's-it's-it's-it's repetitive, this violence, so for me to see two brothers just go on stage and... I mean, they tore it into each other.

You should Google it. Smack, uh... You should Google it. We'll come back to it, but... It was... And I kid you not, like, tears came out my eyes. Like, literally, I had to call my man Will Millions. I was like, yo, who is this guy? He's like, oh, that shit happened in Queens millions i was like yo who is this guy he's like oh that shit happened in queens i was like damn i didn't even know what happened in queens remember the dude name i i couldn't because you know what it was it was on like an explorer page okay so you know how like you know how you like some shit will come up on on that so somebody you're not even following right but somebody your affiliate following

and that shit popped up, and I kid you not. It was one of those joints, Royce. It was so good that I didn't even want to rewind it. Like, you know, usually it's good, you want to rewind. Like, he got his point across so good the first time, I didn't even need to.

I remember, like, if you don't even remember the words, I remember the basics of the conversation. But if you find it, let me know. But, yeah, battle rap. Didn't you have it, let me know. But yeah, Battle Rap. Didn't you have a league? Wasn't you a part of a league? Total Slaughter.

Okay, that was the thing on BET, correct? No, it was on the Fuse network. On the Fuse, okay. It was on the Fuse network. Fuse got a lot of money. Basically, what we did was we put some battle rappers in the house. You ever seen the UFC reality show where all the fighters live with each other? And they all compete. I didn't see the UFC one.

I thought the rappers one was the first one. Yeah, the UFC thing was first. That's kind of like where the idea came from. Okay. So we put battle rappers all in the house, and they all battled each other, battled their way to this event, to this big event. What year did this show come out? This is, you know, you remember, I'm terrible with years, man. Yeah.

Was it 2010? Yeah. Ew. I know I was sober. Wow. I know I was sober. I remember. I remember because I remember.

If I wasn't sober sober i wouldn't remember um i can't remember exactly what year it was but um i'm pretty sure y'all could fact check it and just throw it on the screen but of course you can't it was um everything was leading to this big event which was loaded luxe verse murder mook 2 know what I'm saying? Which was a follow-up to a super, super classic battle in battle rap history. I believe Mook won both times. Yeah, we put it on pay-per-view. And it was... Oh, I'm sorry.

Joe Budden and Hollow as well. Listen, Joe, you're my man. Do not get stepped in that bad arena again. I was very embarrassed when you put the mic down. You don't even think he did well? He did good. No, I can't. He just shouldn't have put the mic down. You know what it is? He's a Virgo,

and I'm a Virgo, and we're very annoyed. But the thing about it is our power is not showing we're annoyed. He showed he was annoyed that day. And he lost from that moment. Right. The thing is, that's the thing is, you ever notice when a battle

rapper is battling, they'd be like, let me cook. Let me cook. Let me, let me, let me work. Let me work. Let me work. That's that. That distracted them. The crowd is distracting them. But that's their way of saying I'm not being distracted back

but now listen to that same person say yo chill y'all yo chill that's not the same confidence if y'all don't shut up I'm bouncing like now

T-Top okay yeah T-Top did his thing man T-Top did his thing but you. T-Top did his thing. But, you know, so I don't think... And I heard you say this the other day, and I think this is funny. I think Joe is better at this profession than he is at rapping.

He was a damn good rapper. Top tier lyricist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Top tier lyricist. Yeah, oh. Top tier lyricist. And, you know, he did all right at the battle rapping thing,

but in terms of rapping... No, no, no, no, no. Let's stop. Let's stop. Let's not be nice about that. Let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. I'm sorry. He's my friend.

Well, let's just agree on this. In terms of rapping, Joe's a top tier. In terms of rapping, he's a top tier rapper. Top tier list. Yeah, yeah. That's like saying, like, listen, I make great party records. I make great records. But you get me to try to be scoop and scrap.

I'm not going to be good. Right, right. I'm not going to. I don't know how to do the kid in play. Like, I don't know how to do that. So I can and scrap I'm not going to be good I'm not going to I don't know how to do the kid in play like I don't know how to do that so I can't

I can't you know what I'm saying let's just be clear I can do I can rap but I can't dance and I'll tell you something else

I'll tell you something I don't really got a lot of rhythm I got about four steps in me and that's it Puerto Rican fans are not going to be

happy about that but I got two my two mean steps two two steps is so mean you ain't never going to catch on. You ain't never going to catch on. Now, Waka Flocka recently just said, he said he was a wack rapper. I disagree with him. I disagree too.

I disagree with him. But he said he got to the level. Do you think that's possible nowadays where people could come into this game knowing that they don't... I don't think... In Rocker's case, I don't agree with him. But I'm just saying, dude, there's so many people that come in this game now and they say, well, I'm going to just be like a French Montana. I'm going to just be like a...

They'll say like a Jim Jones or something like that. As if French Montana or Jim Jones didn't bust their ass. What they're trying to say is people that, you know, not spending 15 million hours on lyrics. But do you think that there's artists nowadays that does that, that they actually come into this game just for the money and then that's that? Yeah. I mean, I think it's just about, it's about knowing.

It goes back to the self-defining thing that I'm talking about. It goes back to just knowing you and then playing to your strengths. You know, everybody's not a super technical, lyrical, miracle MC. Right. You know, and Waka just he played to his strengths. Now, I heard songs

where he was bussing. Right. Where he was straight up bussing. Right. But it seems like he made his mind up like, okay, this is what I'm gonna do and I'm gonna pursue it relentlessly and nobody's gonna stop me and that's exactly what happened. I understood what he meant. He said compared to his favorite rappers, he's wack.

Which is him paying respect to the artist. That's him paying respect to the artist. I just can't say Wack is wack. I ain't gonna lie. What he probably means by it is, shit, if I'm not gonna be the best at that, then I'm just gonna do this. Right. Because he's great at what he did.

But I don't necessarily believe that lyrics is the only thing that makes you rock. No, some of the dopest artists weren't the best lyricists. They're flows, though. To me, Biggie's flow, he had lyrics, but it was his flow that made you gravitate to him. It's a masterful way to do many things. Many things with the rapping shit. You know what I'm saying?

Jeezy, to me, is a lyricist. He just hides it. He hides it in his swag. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just he has a way of reaching you. He has a way of getting directly to his points without using a whole lot of words. And he does it in a way where his inflictions, he knows where to put them at in terms of the chord progression and shit like that. It's genius the way he does it.

It's just not right in your face. The technical part of it is just not right in your face. You know what I mean? But he has genius the way he does it. Right. It's just not right in your face, the technical part of it. It's just not right in your face. You know what I mean? But he has the ability. You know it. You can tell. His ability is through the roof.

Right. It's through the roof. It's just done a different way. Right. You listening to Doja Cat? I haven't. I haven't. But is she the one who made the cow song?

The cow song? That is. Let's Google that. Let's Google that. I'm not sure. The cow song. That is, let's Google that. Let's Google that. I'm not sure. The cow song, I remember, moo, right? That shit? Yeah.

Where these trick champs going right now? Oh, you ask the question. I'm trying to figure out where we going. Yeah, come on, let's bring in Mr. Porter. Come on, come on. Come on, where's the chair? Get another chair. Do we got it set up?

Man. So what's going on with you motherfuckers? Hold on. You smoke? No, no, no. You don't smoke or drink neither? I don't do shit. And you never smoked or drink?

Nah, yeah, I did. Oh, you used to be back in the days. Yeah, yeah. And what was you? You was on the purple pills too? Listen, man. Blue ones, green ones, red ones. I'm not going to lie.

That was the only The only Damn I'm gonna go on My ecstasy days right now I'm gonna talk about That's the only That's the only draw That I know that's bad for you

But I was like That's fucked up Yeah yeah Like it's fucked up Like I heard ecstasy Was saving marriages At one point

Lies I ain't never heard that Yeah I heard it fucked up They said After the war After the war What war

Just in my mind I can see that It's in my mind Yeah I wanna know what war He's talking about It's in my mind It's a war man

Listen But this would probably Help couples Communicate Your ecstasy And they both on it No listen Ecstasy

Yeah I can see that thing You can't One person There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem There's a problem No, listen, listen. Ecstasy was... Yeah, I can see that thing. You can't one... Yeah, yeah, yeah. If one person on there and the other one's there, it's a problem. No, no, it gotta be a seesaw, nigga. It gotta be broken in there.

But this is what I heard. Ecstasy was made for people who have it mad, fucked up shit. That's the original reason why it was made? Yeah. Listen, man,

I'm just being honest, man. Yeah, yeah. Correct? Because, you know, if you haven't seen your boy on Ecstasy, he'll just be like, man, I'm not you, man. We got Ecstasy experts in here. It's the same shit.

But yeah, I ain't going to lie. Like, the D12, like, that tour, I felt like y'all did a lot of drugs, and I just felt like I should have been there with y'all. Like, at that time, at that time. Nah, man, I don't know. How much ass was y'all getting? Yeah, it was college. It was, it was, that was like college shit.

And y'all was getting white girl one wild ass, right? Yeah, it was like, that was crazy. Like, y'all was getting the, it was just, we was kids, kids. Wow. It just felt like wild ass parties every night. Wow. So after Proof. Mm-hmm. Because everyone sits back and I believe M said it on the record. He said, truth is, when Proof died, so did the group.

But a lot of people say it's even deeper than that. Like they're saying a part of Detroit died when Proof died. What do you guys feel about that? I feel like that. Yeah. But I also feel like, I think a lot of that, when that happened, you got to think that, again, the star power of who M was or who M is, that overshadowed everybody's grief, too. A lot of people didn't get to, you know, it was like it became about him and how he was grieving.

How M was grieving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, you kind of missed, a lot of people might have missed it. But proof was so important. Wow. You know, it just got overshadowed by that. Wow. Which is something that happened when you're somebody that big. Mm.

So, but it was, for me, I felt like that. It was like everybody was going through their own thing individually, but you couldn't really go through it without getting the, oh, man, I know M fucked up. I know, you know, like, that just made me not, it just made me get away from it. But I was, once that happened, I was done. All right. I was done.

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You got arrested after y'all pulled a... Damn it, your mic is there? Yeah, I got it. Oh, you got it. Okay, I forgot. We professional and shit. I forgot. Hey, the first time I ever seen you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got caught. We look professional. I'm professional. I ain't even trusting ourselves. You see me? I'm like, oh, this dude is a mic guy. But so then how did y'all work that situation out?

We were in jail together. Get out of here. Y'all pulled out on each other? I thought that was a fucking dog. It is, it is. There's treats over there. A dog with a jacket. I was in the cell, I was in the cell,

and he was in the cell next to me, and we were talking to each other through the wall. And this is after, y'all in jail for each other? Oh, y'all were talking through the wall? I got chills in the same room. We was talking through the wall. And this is after, y'all in jail for each other? Oh, y'all was talking through the wall? Yeah, yeah. I got toes in the same room. We was talking through the wall. Proof was, proof was like, he's such a dynamic individual, man.

He was having like, the phone was ringing off the hook. Different lawyers calling. You know what I'm saying? This nigga had all kind of food being brought in. You know what I'm saying? Like, had all kind of food being brought in. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was like, it was like crazy. He was actually the reason why I got out so fast because it was like, he was bringing too much attention

to the, like, the precinct and shit. Did you know this? He was, like, bringing too much attention to the precinct. They just let us out. They were just like, man, we let y'all go. Get the fuck out of here. I think I heard that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

So it was like, but we were able to talk and just really put things in perspective. And I was like, early on, I think I learned the importance of communication just by going through that with him. Because, like, how deep we were into the shit, you know what I'm saying? And then how we were able to just nip it in the bud just that fast, just talking. Right. You know, because right before we got arrested, you know, it got tense. It could have went one of two ways. You know what I'm saying?

So for us to be able to nip that in the bud that fast, and then for me and this man to get as close as we ended up being after, it just, it's a testament to you have to find resolution. And then you have to also realize how powerful we are as a collective. The things that me and this man can do in the studio together is way more valuable than any type of energy we can cause being negative toward each other. Right. You know what I mean? Now, what's the difference?

Dre was up front about it and Puff was up front about it. What's the difference between you writing rhymes for Diddy or you writing rhymes for Dre? Diddy is way more picky. Well, at least at that moment. I thought it was the exact opposite. I thought you said Dre. Yeah, because I'm hearing that Dre is real. Is he real picky now?

Yeah, way more now. Way more now. Back then, when I was working with him on the Chronic album, he wasn't as picky as Puff. I've never been in the studio with somebody as picky as Puff. He'd be like, Playboy, put that thing on there, Playboy. It just made me write verse over and over and over and over. And I just walked away from that situation learning so much.

Because it was up until I worked with Puff that I never rewrote my own raps. So this nigga made me rewrite the same rap so many times. I'm thinking to myself, like, wait a minute. Why am I not putting this same effort into my own shit? So what Puff project are we talking about? Press play. Okay. Yeah am I not putting this same effort into my own shit? So what puff project are we talking about? So people know. Let's play. Okay.

Yeah, I wrote Tell Me with Christina Aguilera. And then how was it when you wrote Kanye shit? Don't do that. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying.

I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying.

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I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying. I was trying, I was trying. I can see the headline now. Yeah, he called me like, look here, man. And the crazy shit is, I felt my eyes immediately start to get funny, and he looked, and I said, damn, I got to let it go. But that's a beautiful thing. I think one of my favorite rappers, Eazy-E, Eazy-E on a record said, I didn't realize this until 20 years later. He said, Ice Cube writes the rhymes that I say. And I was like, oh, shit, 20 years later. I was like, what the fuck the hell was I listening to?

That's a businessman talking. Yeah. That's a businessman talking. I've been popping Dre's businessman. Yeah. What makes them different from Drake? From Drake? Yeah.

I don't think it's much of a difference. I mean, Drake, to me, it would be hard for me to put a finger on exactly what Drake is in that conversation because I don't know. He's an R&B singer. Don't R&B singers get away with that? But you're trying to say that Drake has some great form. Are you saying that somebody else write it? Yeah. He ain't a singer if it's a singer. Yeah, but how much is other people write?

Because when I seen Drake interviews, he pretty much, he said he write pretty much everything. And he took some ideas from people at times. Did you actually see Quentin Miller? Oh, man. Yeah, that was sad. We need to go fund me for great money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we need to go fund me.

Not fund, like, money. Like, he need to have some fun. Like, that nigga need to go to a dream park or something. Like, great adventures. That shit was, that shit was like. That was a little sad, money. Like, he needed to have some fun. Like, that nigga need to go to a dream park or something. Like, great adventures. That shit was, that shit was like... I was a little sad, bro. I apologize. But when you look at it from his perspective,

the way he was saying it, I was like, damn, that's real. Now, his perspective is fucked up. His perspective is like, is fucked up. I understand where he coming from in that sense. Because... You know what? The thing is this.

If you've never been a casualty at war, like sometimes you, like I've been a casualty at war. I've been in a place where a person used me. And then they, and I understand it. You know what I'm saying? I understood where I had to be at that moment.

It's not in this level. Right, right. It's not to this level. Like this level, like when I seen them, and it was what, if you're reading this, it's too late. And he was saying, you know, everyone's posting their plaques.

He was collateral damage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. I would hope that they reach out to him because, I mean, both of them at this point, they cool. Yeah, but how would they do that, though? Was he beefing with them, too? No, no, what it was was. I remember that. What it was was-

I remember that he was- What it was was- He wrote shit. Rumor has it. Rumor has it. This is all, what do they call it? Hearsay? Speculation.

No, what did they say? The speculation? Or- Or hearsay. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. It's all alleged.

It's all allegedly. Allegedly, Meek, DJ Drama, cool people, both from Philadelphia. Meek goes to Atlanta. Here's this record. A couple weeks later, here's that same record he heard with this other dude spitting on the radio and it happens to be Drake that's spitting these lines.

Right. Meek has that in his mind. Right. Whatever happens, I think Drake is supposed to come out to a concert with him. He doesn't come out. Meek, that in his mind. Whatever happens, I think Drake's supposed to come out to a concert with him. He doesn't come out. That's when Meek does the thing on Twitter or whatever.

This is all allegedly, right? Boom. Quentin Miller's caught up in this. Now, they all did because, you know, no one else. Later on, we found out it was DJ Drama. People say that,

people say, allegedly, that it was because Drake was messing with one of DJ Drama's girls that he's no longer with now. So, this is why DJ Drama owes us this story. He has to come on here. But, so during the whole process, Quentin Miller is caught in the process. At first, it looks like, yo, dude,

you get what you get, right? Right. You get what you get. You was on that side that side then the side squashes the beat right Diablo B

I don't know who's ringer that is but you gotta grow up that's Diablo B Diablo B you gotta get out you gotta get out of Toys R Us man

that's the Dominican barber that store is closed man Toys R Us, man. That's a Dominican barber. That store is closed, man. Toys R Us ain't even open no more. But, yeah, I mean, Quentin, and listen, I've been in war, like, for 20 years. I'm in different types of war. I never feel sorry for a person that get caught in collateral with damage.

This is my first time. When I seen him, and, like, he didn't even have nobody film for him like it was a selfie like you know what I'm saying like you know what I mean like I don't mean it like you know but he was a self like he just I think he looked depressed though and it was snow but I feel like he had shorts on

that's what worried me the most he looked really depressed like he didn't look happy it was not a happy thing for him yeah I gotta I got to agree with you. And that's like, that's the kind of shit to me today that worries me about a lot of artists. They go through some shit. But that's what, see, but that's the difference between you working with a Dr. Dre and a Puff where pretty much upfront about it, and then you working with a person.

Because a lot of people, a person because a lot of people that's how a lot of people probably feel it's like yo if I'm gonna let you give me a couple of bars that's between us right so this was like the first ghost writer that was that was labeled a ghost yeah because most definition of ghosts is you don't really know what the fuck it is. You know what I'm saying? So this was the first ghostwriter that we found out, and it's from a big artist. Because I never knew, I never knew any ghostwriters. I never knew what, yeah, Madskill forever was a ghostwriter.

Yeah, but who did he write for? I never knew that. I knew he wrote for Madniggas Beneath. That's their legend. They're not going to let, they're? I never knew that. I never knew that. I knew he wrote for Mad Niggas Beneath. That's their legend. They're not going to let that get disclosed. Also, let's not be clear. Let's not act like

we didn't see producers ghost produce as well. Yeah. That was common. There were so many times that I was like, you know, got an LES beat or got a Kirk Gotti beat

and track masters would be would be on my shit. Right. Trackmasters never came to the studio session. I don't know what they deal consists of. I don't know how that worked, but I know that- Song deals or something. You know what I'm saying? And to me that was ghost producing.

I think the production thing is a little bit more blurry though, because a producer would be like- No, it's a little bit more foul. I'm going to pick out things that I feel under my umbrella. I got to disagree with you. To me, it's a little bit more foul because at least it's that artist saying it. Right. A producer's not even getting the credit.

Well, I mean, that's the thing. If you always make sure the person gets the credit, the problem is that person is getting the credit, they probably have a problem with it later You could had an agreement in there and then come back and be like But if you doing that and you going out of your way back then credit was everything right that's all you want now today You don't know who the fuck did what no unless you got oh, that's a boomer once a mall There's a lot of that to go on with those two mmm like niggas faking time I mean not saying they faking the tags, but it's they have whole units of people. Mmm. It's not like just one person Mmm, like I know I know a lot of the dudes that do it like they make a million piece a day

But like sometimes they still work where they collab a lot with a lot of other... To producers today, it's never just one thing to me. It's like, it'll be a lot of people in the room sometimes. Which ain't bad. Nah, I mean... It's bad when the person does 95% of the beats, and the producer who's quote-unquote producing, all he's doing is drops. That's what it's about.

What I'm trying to say is, sometimes production is being a conductor. Yep. And that's what people don't understand. That's actually the original producer. It's the conductor of a band. A lot of producers that was Woodpuff. And they say, hell, I want this band to sound, and I am the producer.

A lot of producers that was Woodpuff made magic with Puff. A lot of producers were with Dre. Puff is a producer. Made magic with Dre. He is a producer. A lot of people was with Irv Gotti, made magic with him. Right. But as soon as Irv Gotti, as soon as Dre, as soon as Puff. A lot of producers were with Dre. Puff is a producer. He is a producer. A lot of people was with Irv Gotti. But as soon as Irv Gotti, as soon as Dre, as soon as Puff left them, I'm saying

producers take a lot of it. It's the deals because under that when they were doing it, everybody was fine with the situation. But when those records take off, then they're like, he's not the producer. That's when things change. That's actually, that's when things change. The producer has to hear.

Right. That's actually, that's when it's corny. Yeah. What's easier for, and this question goes to both of y'all, because there's beat makers and then there's producers. I always credit Pharrell for being my first production I ever had. I had beats before, but Pharrell came to me and was like, just give me the rhymes. And I had the rhymes, and he did every fucking thing.

Whoever's whispering, relax. But what's the difference to y'all? What is easier for you to work with? A person who's producing the beat, just doing the beat, or a person who's actually producing the record, that's there for the hook, there for the... And now as a producer. Yeah, I mean, I consider myself a producer, so I could do both.

But it just has to be a producer that I trust. So if I'm working with him, I can just give him the raps. I'm good with that. Primo, I can just give him the raps. You know, the difference to me is a beatmaker just makes beats. That's it. Beatmaker makes beats. That's it. Right. Beat maker makes beats.

And they're good too. They're good too. No, I'm not trying to beat them. I'm not trying to. We all make beats too. Let me just clarify that I'm not trying to sound dismissive at all. Beat makers are dope. I love beat makers.

Beat makers, they can send beats all day. And we can take them. It's a different part of the process. Yes, it's just a different part of the process. A producer sees the process all the way through. Recycle. So somebody like him

or somebody like me can come into the room and we may take something away from it that may make it what it needs to be. It's just knowing how to get it there. That's it. When you go in a studio,

you're going to start off just making beats. There's going to be one thing that you're going to gravitate towards and then you start producing that idea more than something else. You spend more time on that one thing, right? I think everybody can do both. When you say a beat maker that's people that i

think about when i go to some of the beat the beat uh like showcases and stuff like that that's what they do they come in to wow you in that first two you know what i'm saying and that's it they don't even think about the music and how a person got to rap over it right you don't know what party gonna rap over none of that like i'll get it i used to give him a beat and we used to now we won't probably have those arguments because i give him the beat and then he'll give it back and it's like man why you rap over that part yeah i'll arrange it a totally different way from how he for how he had it in his mind i didn't know i was getting on his nerves when i was doing that before i didn't realize that until I produced for Marshall.

And I gave him a beat, and he took it and flipped it all around and made it. And I heard it. I was like, whoa. It caught me off guard. So now I know what he's talking about. If you start off with just this, some people start off, they just making beats. But until they learn, until somebody turned down enough music from them, where it's like, let's say they give you a beat and you don't rap on it,

it's like, damn, man, why ain't it landing? It's because you're not producing it for somebody. You're not leaving space for them. You're just trying to show off. Feel what I'm saying? That's a beat maker. I love the idea, but I might take that idea and turn it into whatever you know you might break it down and give it to a person and arrange it

the right way you might change something slight as a snare something slight as a those things matter them little things matter so just depend on the person and who you're getting from there's a lot of beat makers but producers it ain't a lot of that

going on. It ain't a lot of that going on. You can tell. Yeah, it feels that way too. Because a lot of the records wouldn't sound the same. Producers help with the artist development too. I think that's another element that's missing. The whole artist development. That's what I'm bringing back to the game.

I'm bringing back artist development. We need to work together. I want to help ground artists. That should, we need to work together. Yeah, I want to, I want to, I want to help ground artists. That's all we trying to do. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? Like,

cause, I mean, sorry like, to say this, and like, you know, sorry to bring this up, but,

you know, everyone rest in peace to Pop Smoke, you know what I'm saying? Let's have a moment of silence if you guys are back there, let's don't, let's don't move for

at least eight seconds for Kobe. You know what I mean? Rest in peace Kobe, rest in peace Pop Smoke. It was something that hit me about Pop Smoke that was I've been going to those Hollywood hills where that shit happened

for 20 years. We only rent those places for parties. We do not rent those places to stay. To live there. To live there. So I felt like, you know,

that's why young homies, you should reach out to your OGs. You know what I'm saying? Like, he could have hit a person like Busta and Busta would have told him

immediately like, yo, listen man, that's cool to chill there but, you know, it didn't necessarily have to be me. It cool to chill there, but, you know, it didn't necessarily have to be me.

It didn't necessarily have to be, you know, but Busta Rhymes or Fat Joe, like, there's people that could tell you. I'm saying, especially being from New York,

like, that's why, you know, it's important, you guys, with the Tee Grizzley situation because he should reach out for a game for you. Like, and especially because I don't, you know, our time, we really didn't have drama like that.

But the fact is, you've got to remember, Biggie Smalls got killed when we was going out there. So we was taking precautions. I remember renting those mansions, or renting those houses, rather, and not even staying there. We would literally rent there, have a tastemaker's meeting or whatever, have some dinner. And then as soon as we got, we would all break out. You know what I'm saying? So when I seen that, not to say that that was the only thing that happened to Pops, because I don't want to, you know what I mean?

But it was just, it's just simple game like that, that we can help our young brothers with. You know what I'm saying? And I want to help do that. I want to help people transition from being just a rapper to being a personality, to being a podcaster, to being a radio or something like that. Because, you know what? Rap is a vehicle

and a vehicle is not something you should live in. A vehicle is something that gets you from one place to another. Do I deserve a clap for that? Hell yeah. I felt smart just now. I'm not drinking and shit. It's a journey. The success is a journey.

I've been telling my youngins this. The success is a journey, and the art itself is a destination. It's a place that you need to get to. Get to that place and just express yourself, and then through that, all things are possible. You can do anything off of that platform. You know what I noticed? Royce, sorry to change it up a little bit. You know what I noticed? The older we get

and we're still successful, the easier it is for the youngest to listen to us. I feel like the older we get and if we don't have that success or we don't have that certain thing, it's easy. Because I used to be like that when I was younger. Like, who the fuck is that? Tell him to shut the fuck up. Like, he want to tell me how to what? Did he go platinum before? Like, you know what I'm saying? You be saying like dumb shit like that, man. So that's the reason why I'm going to be honest with you.

That's the reason why I don't reach out to some of these young generation dudes. Like, because I think of myself. Like, when I first, I say this, I said this before. When I first met Waka Flocka and when I first met Meek, I didn't like them. But I realized I didn't like them because they reminded me of me. Right. And I hated to see 24-year-old me at fucking 38. I was like, fuck them.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I was like, uh-uh. I was like, they're too wild. Do you think, though, that today, that we totally acted different, though? Right. Like, I was excited to meet LL Cool J. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the difference now.

It's like they only excited to meet, you think they're just excited to meet the people that hold the titles? You dare say that, I mean, kind of, you know, I mean, it kind of, it kind of, damn, it kind of, since the fact that, you fact that we are old niggas regardless of what we want to you know we looking good. We looking good but what the reality is and then so many other people like

Kanye is actually older than me but Kanye came out later than me. Came out in that type of generation. So they look at Kanye like he's 20 years younger than me and they look at Kanye like he's 20 years younger than me. And they look at me like I'm 900. Because I

came out in 1997. They heard me in 97, so they're like, what? You know what I think they need to understand? They should try to understand is that we don't have to care. That's where it's at. We could take our money and just go chill on a boat somewhere

And be like we got ours Fuck y'all Stay in the trenches You know what I mean Cause I don't think it's a young man's game I think Jay is No no but I didn't even say it cause of that I'm talking about the way the young people look at it

It's an evolving man's game It's not a young man No no but for them The currency that matters is likes and follows. Yeah. Likes and follows. If this old lady is popping she's the shit right now. Right. Yeah.

So it's not a young man or young lady's game anymore. She's popping so I want to take a photo with her. Right. So that's what matters. Yeah, that's what matters. That's interesting though. Yeah. That's where we're having a hard time wrapping our heads around that.

Like, Lone Duvall is the biggest R&B singer out right now. A comedian, yeah. This is real shit. That's amazing. Every fucking record he dropped, I fuck with. It prompts to him for that. Black men don't cheat. It's black men who don't cheat.

Smile, bitch. And he got this other shit. I ain't even on this shit. But I look nasty. I'm like, what the fuck? People are making nasty videos. They got Deontay Wilder licking a nigga.

They got the dude licking a nigga. Nasty. I'm like, holy shit. People are open to be entertained in many ways now. Any way possible, yeah.

Little Duval is the biggest R&B singer. That's a great thing. That nigga's like the new Usher. Right. All right. Little Duval is the new Usher, man. Let's play some more of Little Duval. But real quick, back to everything we're talking about,

and this is my opinion, I think that what you're doing, and it's about us being comfortable in our skins. Yeah. And doing what we do and artfully doing it and not thinking about what they're thinking about, which is the likes and the follows, is where we're going to follow that lead. Right. We need to be the OGs that we were supposed to be. Right. We're going to follow that lead. We need to be the OGs that we were supposed to be.

We had that conversation a lot where it's like, don't. Numbers and all that kind of shit, it just never mattered. It can't matter now. It shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter, man. That's all they think about, though. I mean, we got to pay bills and we got to pay attention to all that shit. We got to understand that shit. It just happens, though.

Yeah, yeah. I got friends, people that I do things for. And they'll still be like, like, you know, friends, you know, people that I do, like, you know, I do things for, you know. And they'll still be like, yo, can you follow me on the Grams? Like, you just asked me for, you know. Just asked me for $10,000. I just, you know, hey, you want me to follow you on the Grams? Right, right, right. Like, what the fuck?

Right. This is a fucked up world we're living in, yo. Like, this is... It's currency. It literally is currency. Just think about it. When you think about it in that way, that's their currency.

It's currency. Yo, yo, yo, listen. That's what they... But how the fuck do they even make it work? But we can't see it that way coming from where we come from. Because you know why? We was taught to move away from the cameras.

Right. We were taught not... Like, if you really know people from our era, like, the first five minutes of them being on camera, it's uncomfortable. Like, they technically be looking like this. Like, anybody that's really from, like, the 90s, that's really...

You know, like, the first five seconds of them walking into something, pay attention. They'll look at their head down because everything that they were taught said this is the opposite. Yeah, right. You know, we're legal now,

so that it only takes five minutes. So that sixth minute, you're like, yo, motherfucker, you got to get in here, you got to do your job. But that first five minutes, that's why I know Meek is a real nigga. Because if you look at Meek's interviews,

like his first three, he'd be like this. It's because he comes from that, like, stay away from this shit, as opposed to this. Like I said, there's people that I do things for. People will ask me for a favor. People will ask me to do this, or ask me can I come over here, and I'll do it, and I said, there's people that I do things for. People will ask me for a favor. People will ask me to do this

or ask me can I come over here and I'll do it and I'll take a picture with them and then they'll say, well, can you follow me on the ground? And I'm like, damn, my dude. Like, I follow you in real life. Right, right, right, right. In real life.

You just called me. You should have been at my house. We had drinks in my kitchen. When you have that argument with people, that always bothers me. It's like you don't like this. You don't do this. You don't do this like You don't even follow me on the ground my phone and said, I'm not following this nigga. Like, no, nigga, I just ain't get around. I just ain't get around to it. I didn't think that you were not even going to see the message. I ain't going to

even see your message. Oh, yeah. One of my homies, two of my homies was arguing one day about me on my gram. They was like, about me. They was like, you know, he said, you know the homie see you? He said, nah, I don't think the homie see you. He got so much followers.

He said, yo, yo, nah, but you know, he got to see my name, though. He said, listen, man, the homie, you know, he got to see. And I did see it. It's going on in your comments? It's in my comments. These niggas had a 12-day conversation. Like, yo, I'm looking like, damn, niggas, now I'm not answering. You know, because I wanted to do a little heart.

Like, you know, hi. Like emojis? I'm watching. Like, you know, when they're talking. Like, you know, high. Like emojis. I'm watching. Like, you know, when they talking. I listen to it. I watch it. I say, you know what? Let them niggas just fight it out.

I'll tell you another thing. I learned a hard way that following certain women on the gram is cheating. Oh, yeah. Oh, nah. And liking bitches. I didn't realize I was straight up fornication. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

Wait a minute. Nah, I learned that too. Be careful who you follow, brother. Okay. No, I knew that. Be careful who you follow. And don't like a picture. No, know that. Wait a minute. Be careful who you follow, brother. Be careful who you follow. And don't like a picture. No, like it. Like a divorce. You already cocking.

You cocking. You don't like the picture. You cocking. You might as well get caught with your dick in the pussy. I didn't know that's the new form of cheating. I didn't know that. First off, I didn't know how to of all I didn't know how to DM And then I didn't know how to DM. No, I didn't know how to DM. I didn't even know it was a whole nother

That's a whole nother platform. I didn't even know it was another DM in the DM What in the DM? Which is like general and then it's primary Oh yeah, now they got multiple DM's It's a whole different thing That's a new shit I don't even get that shit I I don't go into DMs. Well, I found out.

Every now and then, because it'll be an artist that will hit me, or it'll be a football player that'll be like, yo. And so every now and then, I had to learn how to do that. Because someone would see me in the club, and there'll be like a real like ill, like, yo, I just got a DM. I'm like, oh, word? And I'm like, fuck, how do I do this? And I'm like, the one thing you don't want to do is ask your wife. How do you work the DMs?

This is the cases of actually the other one, you know, I don't know Acting on it, but you know every day I did you want to look at they all right cool this it's too long me Still got it. It's still on me. I still got it. Make some noise for that. But social media, like, I always imagine Tupac with a Twitter. Oh, man. It would have been way more than East Coast, West Coast views.

I think he would have hated Instagram, though. I think he would have hated Instagram. I think Pun would have destroyed Instagram. He would have, comed I think he would have hated Instagram, though. I think he would have hated Instagram. I think Pun would have destroyed Instagram. He would have, comedic. He would have killed it. He would have been the meme killer. I think Biggie Smalls would have been the thriller king. TikTok.

I don't know. I don't see that. Let me tell you something. Biggie was one of the most funniest people ever. No, no, you're hilarious. I just don't see him doing TikTok. Pun was... Big was like...

No, hold on. Let me relax. Big was fun because he was the first one. He was the first one I ever seen. So I felt like Pun took all the Biggie shit and took it and perfected it. Pun would really have water gun fights. But I'm talking about zero below in the morning. Listen to me.

This is one of the fucking worst shit I've ever seen. They was running treads with these bitches. We won't define that. Hey, man. It was running treads with these bitches. This was on 32nd or 23rd Street by Chelsea Diner. And I don't know why they wanted to do this, but this is how it was in the 90s.

So Punn sends his two boys to fill up the super squirter. But it's zero below outside, bro. This was the Sprinter Vans before they was the Sprinter Vans. We was calling it a Van-tastic, right? So they jump off with the two girls. And Punn sends his guys to load up the Super Squirter. But for some reason, I go out to smoke a cigarette. I smoke cigarettes then.

And I see them loading up the Super Squirter. The problem was they were loading up the Super Squirter with the snow slush. Mm. Foul. You know, I imagine there was some yellow snow somewhere. Yeah, right, right, right. I couldn't visually see it. But so I looked, and this is when I knew I was officially a foul nigga.

Because I was smoking a cigarette, and I seen the girls coming out. I could have fully warned these bitches. And been like, go the other way. But I wanted to see how this was going girls coming out. I could have fully warned these bitches. And been like, go the other way. But I wanted to see how this was going to play out. So I looked and everything, I heard my mama telling me, boy, tell them girls are going the other way. And I was like, but ma, let me just see this.

And I stood there and I looked and stood there. And they didn't even talk to each other, punting them. They just looked at each other. And the chicks came out and they squ't even talk to each other punting them they just looked at each other and the chicks came out and they squirted her and I'm telling you it was so cold that her shit got icicles her eyelashes

her eyelashes they hit her with the and I was like oh and then she followed around them I got this shit on tape. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's a what documentary?

So you forgot to mention that you were videotaping. Oh, yes. I totally forgot that part. I told you I saw it. That was part of the whole process. His mama and videotaping. I wasn't proud of it. That videotape was the reason you did it.

Yeah, I wasn't proud of it. But that's the shit that we used to do in the 90s. The 90s was just a totally different era. No one was telling. This was none of this. Do you think a person like Tekashi69 would exist in this game now? I always think that. Back then?

No, not back then. I don't know if they would have been able to. If Pac and them was around. But you know what? I'm going to be honest, and I think me and EFN has admitted to this a couple of times, not once. I think it's our fault. Not him, per se. not him per se but i like i said earlier like i didn't really reach out to a lot of the young dudes i really just didn't because i really for a long time the older people in hip pop at first they really didn't accept me yeah they. And they didn't embrace us like that. Yeah, because... They didn't embrace us like that.

The older, you know, the Melly Mells, the Grandmaster Flashes, at first... And now that I'm not in their position, but now that I'm older, I see. Like, I...

Well, Gazelda. Gazelda the other day. Yeah. You know, we want them to get on. But, you know, it's not like I gave them a trial period, but I wanted to make sure they was going to be here.

Yeah, there we go. And once they was there, and I felt like, I feel like Melly Mel, Grandmaster Flash, Cool Her, I feel like all of them kind of gave me that too.

It kind of was like, all right, homeboy, you got a great album, War Report is good. Boom, oh, you came back with NRE? Oh, what, what? That's something different. But they made me,

and then once I said, yo, I'm here, once I, then they embraced me. Right, right. You know what I know I'm saying but I felt like I felt like this whack let me tell you why I feel like you should embrace everybody from the beginning yes and then and I feel like it's opposite I feel like we should embrace everyone from the beginning and then those person uh uh uh get their way out of that circle yep they earn their way out of the circle as opposed to saying you know what I'm gonna keep you out of the circle until Yep. They earn their way out of the circle as opposed to saying, you know what,

I'm going to keep you out of the circle until you deserve yourself in. And they'll make way less mistakes. Because you know what, I took on that thing and I would look at certain artists and even drink champs to a certain extent.

This is only for people who've been here 10 years. So, even this to a certain extent, it's like, all right, we have to bend certain rules. We have to. Like, if a person's here for seven years and you put in that work, and I know you're going to be here.

If you're here for five years, you put in that work, I know you're going to be here. Fuck it. You got to, you know what I mean? So, well, I think there's... I think it was our fault. I think the reason why I said it's our fault is that when we grew up, and say in the 90s era, early 90s, we wasn't, like, I didn't grow up in Grandmaster Flash, Melly Mel era.

Yeah. We didn't dress like them. Actually, that didn't even look cool. We grew up in the Kane era. No, no, but I'm saying, and even then, but what I'm trying to say is the era right that we were listening to was bigging them up. Mm-hmm. The Arab right that we were listening to was bigging them up. And so we took them and said, if you say that this is the way, then this is our pioneers.

And we've got to respect this. We always respect our OGs. And so when I said that, what our generation did, and I say our, I'm not saying that I did this. DJ, I definitely didn't do this. You know what I'm saying? But I'm saying in totality, we did not do the same thing for the younger generation coming after us. We didn't say, hey, guys, we're going to big these people up so much that you're going to have to automatically say, of course, these are our pioneers. Of course, these are the people we should look up to. We stopped because this is when hip hop started making money.

Yeah. And we wanted to be YGs forever. Yeah. We wanted to be popping bottles in the club. And we were like, we don't care about people before us. And we were looking at each other as competition. Yeah. And we was looking at the youngins like competition back then.

And me getting drunk every day. But it's a financial thing too. Yeah. It was a financial thing too. I'm not putting things in perspective. I'm just on the chase. Yeah. I'm on putting things in perspective I'm just on the chase I'm on the chase and I'm figuring things out as I go Now that I get to this place

It's like fuck Damn it never was about that It never was about that It never was about being a tough guy You know what I'm saying And then you're able to put things into perspective Once you get to that place you gotta apply that shit You gotta apply it.

You know what I mean? And sorry to cut you off, but the differences I feel today is that people respect the dollar. What people made in this industry. Where I feel like our generation respected what you did for the culture. Yeah.

And that's the difference. We still remember how our song felt. We still remember all that. Right. Like you didn't have to make a goddamn dollar, but if I knew that you were important to the culture, you were the richest person in the world in my mind, you know?

Y'all seen that Mexican kid that rhymed on L.A. Lakers? Who? What's his name? I don't know. Mexican kid on L.A. Lakers. That's his name? Mexican kid? He is hard.

What's his name? I don't know him. It says Mexican kid going viral. He's from Tijuana. He's straight up Mexican then. Yeah, but he don't look it. He look like he's Wolverine. He don't like...

I'm talking about his bars. I don't know. Let me see. Play it. Let me see. Let me see his face. He's on the LA Lakers. Because I was on your...

Long hair? Long hair, yeah. Like I told you, look at the wolf. What's his name? Let me see. Yeah. Play that shit. Oh, man.

He killed it. Because I'm watching your LA Lakers shit. And then he popped up right after that. And I'm like... Because I'm looking like, hold on, man. He's like, he killed it. I'm watching your LA Liga shit, and then he popped up right after that. I'm like, because I'm looking like, hold on, man. He's like, yo, boom, and then he starts spitting. Holy shit. Hip hop is different, man, but yeah, we fucked up, man. What the fuck is that?

Yo, relax. Leave my Mitchell out. I feel like some people may have been, they might not be able to embrace the newer generation because they feel like they shit might be running out or they might have been a little scared to turn, you know, to pass that along or pass that knowledge on. I'll tell you the truth. I think it's actual, I think it's deeper than rap.

I think it's actually the neighborhoods. Like, if you realize, and again, this is allegedly, because I don't know technically but if you look like Chicago I remember Chicago was safe.

It was still dangerous for people in Chicago but it was safe because all the OGs had everything in control. I remember going to Compete Green 2.30, 3 o'clock at night

and niggas like Nori, you're good. I'm hearing shots and they're like your shots are going over there. You good. You stay right here. I remember that. But then there was a time where they took all the OGs away.

And this is when Chicago, to me, this is no pure facts. This is just what I see. Since the OGs, since the Larry Hoovers, since these people took away, since these, you know, I don't want to keep naming people. For sure.

Since they got took away. Chicago's the wildest place on earth. One of the wildest, not one of the wildest. But I'm telling you that for me, and I'm not saying this is facts, but when I seen the OGs there, I felt safer. Yeah. It was an order. Like, people wasn't just doing nothing. Now it feels like the wild, wild west.

I could be wrong. But what you're saying happened on the street level, I feel like hip-hop did itself. We took ourself out of the equation. My point was we followed the streets. But the streets, people got locked up. The system took them out of the streets. Hip-hop, we just said.

No, we got locked up too. It's what Porter just said. We got locked up in the mind. In the mind, yeah. If I help this little dude, then they might start fucking with him. Right, right, right. I felt like some people might have had that.

Right. And of course, the younger generation, I mean, shit, we might have felt like that plenty of times when we walked in and people was more scared of what you could do, your talents. Right. Of course, you scare people when you're that good, that fast.

Because that's what it's about. Collaboration is about me giving you my fans, you giving me your fans. That's the way we remember. And we can't deny the industry side of it. Like the machine that doesn't care about culture, doesn't care about

what's going on. They're just like, we just want to make money. It's an investment. And so they doesn't care about culture doesn't care about what's going on they're just like we just want to make money it's an investment and so they don't care so whatever they think is a fad they're gonna go ahead and replicate it and then keep it moving you know yeah and then they spend marketing dollars right to market that to you right right this is the kind of record you need to be making so all the young is coming up just all they got to do is watch tv yeah they just want to be that i heard you say that when you got to Sony. When you got to Sony that you hired a stylist. You had a grinded.

Rhinestone do it. A rhinestone do it. So that wasn't your idea? No. Okay. You remember the stylist's name? I remember her name, but I don't want to say her name. I don't want to say her name because she was a don't want to say her name, because she was a good stylist.

Okay, okay. She was a good stylist. It's just the things that she was pulling wasn't me. You know what I mean? You think everyone has a shiny suit moment in hip hop? Everyone? Today? Huh? Today? I'm talking about us, like our generation. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I think you're correct. I think you're correct. Because when we come into the game, we're accepting. Right. You know what I mean? Because we don't really know exactly what we... I didn't even know how to make albums. Right. So, you know, of course I was willing to try some shit. Right.

Because at that moment, I just thought I wanted to be famous. Right. You know what I mean? So it's like, you know, everything is trial and error. So you willing to try some things. You willing to go out. You don't want to be looked at as hard to work with. You don't want to be looked at as hard to work with. You don't want to be looked at as all these things,

which I ended up being called all of those things anyway. Right. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, right, right. Now, I had the Newport chain, and I used to go in the elevators, and white ladies just look at me and be like,

what the fuck? Did anybody look at you crazy for having a goat? Because, you know, goats... Man, not just white people looked at you, man. Everybody looked at you crazy. I'm crazy out of shame, right? All not just white people looked at you, man. Everybody looked at you crazy. Nobody crazy had a shame, right? Come on, man. Fair enough, fair enough.

But in retrospect, because goat is, like, really something that's synonymous with our culture. Like, I don't see other people saying goat and really, like... So you have a goat fucking ring. You ever been on a plane and somebody just looked at you and said, Nicka. I haven't worn it on a plane yet. Okay. nigga. I haven't worn it on a plane yet. Okay. Yeah, I haven't worn it on a plane yet, but it attracts a lot of attention.

It attracts a lot of attention. That's why I don't really wear it that much. I mean, I had it on pretty much every day for my press run for all intents and purposes, but I don't really wear it like that, man. You know, because whenever I wear it, somebody asks me something. What made you get it? I wanted to pay my respects to all the goats. I wanted to pay my respects to all the goats

and I also, I think the world of myself, lyrically. And I want to show the younger generation that you should think the world of yourself. But you are, let me be clear, you are saying you are a goat. I'm saying that I'm in the conversation now. God damn it. Let the law you are saying you are a goat i'm saying that i'm saying that i'm in the conversation now god damn it let's say you are saying you are i listened to your album i wanted you to not i wanted you i wanted to catch a slip up i wanted

to catch like you you know untied with a vocal or being lazy somewhere. And you really took your motherfucking time. Am I correct with that? Always. Damn, always? I mean, not when I was drinking. Okay, yeah, yeah. I ain't going to lie. I listened to the whole Melvin Flynn album.

I had to do the whole shit over. I did it all drunk. I did it all drunk. I wasted about half the time. That's what I'm telling you, my nigga. That's classic, though. That's what makes it classic. I'm telling you, man.

You go back and you fix all that shit. and it's too clean, it's not the same. To this day, I won't fucking drink while I lay vocals, because it's a waste of fucking time. You notice a difference, though? No, I always slur. Even if no one else can't catch it, I listen to myself and be like, fuck. Because you're thinking more now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back then, it was more of a feel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thinking more. Back then, it was more of a feel. Yeah, yeah. So, like, I did a record with Missy Elliott on a Brother Flynn album. Crazy, dog dog. And I forget what we did. I don't know if it was Missy People's I was drinking with, but I got drunk as shit. And I just laid whatever the fuck was up. And then Missy laid her shit. And I just, I always knew I should have changed my verse I always knew but I felt like damn we did it like in the same vicinity

And if I do it, I'm gonna be labeled a sucker. This is a girl too She might just really just blow it up and be like this nigga changed his shit So I just left it but I always regretted that. I believe she smoked me bro Yeah, yeah, I believe it bro. I believe it. And I had two verses too. She smoked you. I believe she smoked me, bro. Yeah, yeah. I believe it, bro. I believe it. And I had two verses, too. That's what make it worse. Missy was smoking everybody.

Yeah, Missy was smoking everybody. And I paid her to smoke me. Yeah. God damn it, man. God damn it, Missy. But I always knew, and I cripple that. And since then, I have never recorded drunk again. I mean, I have recorded drunk, but that record has never came out.

I mean, that version of me being drunk. What about Body in the Trunk with Nas? Oh, no, Body in the Trunk was sober as shit. Y'all were sober on that? Sober as fuck. Nas was too? No, I mean, we smoking. When I say sober, I mean not drinking.

Right, right, right. To me, this is my cigarette, you know, instead of smoking cigarette. But yeah, that was a sober session and shit. Yeah, I spoke to Nas the other day. I think he's in L.A. Living his best life out there, Bahamas, all type of shit, man. Goddamn, make some noise for him. But, you know, when I hear you guys speak about him and see the normality,

I don't know if that's a word, but, you know, the normalism of it, it always makes always, because when I speak to J, I speak to Nas, I always would fuck with them, ask them some normal shit, just to see if they know, and it's always crazy. I spoke to

J the other day, and I was just like, I didn't realize, it was a day Pop Smoke died. So I was like, yo, you know, be safe, you know what I mean? And then he was just like, yo, man, the kid was only 20 years old. And I was just saying the generic, just be safe. And he was like, the kid was only 20 years old.

And I was just like, damn. He really fucking knows. Like, I ain't going to lie. If I was a man, I wouldn't be thinking about none of you niggas. I'm just doing that. I'm just doing that. I don't think about niggas. Y'all niggas never thought about it.

You think something. You saw it. You wouldn't even understand the level of Hollywood my dude. Like yo, did you see Kanye just now? Kanye went to Sunday service in Paris and he had a dude with an umbrella for his sneakers. Oh my God, that was hard. That was hard. He had a dude with an umbrella

just for his sneakers. What you mean for his sneakers? That was hard. He had a dude with an umbrella just for his sneakers. What you mean for his sneakers? All right, look. Like, he had other security, right? He had other security out there as he was walking out, right? So, he's getting out the joint. So, it looks like, if you look,

it looks like he's just holding an umbrella. But he had other people there. If you look at the wide angle, there's other people there. So, it looks like this guy just, he steps out the car and as the one sneaker comes out, the umbrella comes for the sneaker. Oh, right.

I never saw that before. I said, oh shit. I think we should make some noise. And this is how you know I'm a petty motherfucker. I was spitting a half an hour trying to figure out what the fuck sneaker is that. Because it's not ours. It's not ours. I was spending a half an hour trying to figure out what the fuck sneaker is that? Because it's not out. It's not out. I was like, holy shit. But yeah, I don't know how we got here.

How did we get here? I don't know. Until about when you came back, you were on the sneaker. You saw how normal it was. How normal, yeah. You were admitting to being Hollywood if you became a billionaire. Yeah, I don't know. Ultra. You'd be ultra Hollywood.

Let me get back to that. Let me get back to that. Let me just tell you something. You know the King of Zamunda? Yeah. Like, I live. That would be ultra. Let me get back to that. Let me get back to that. Let me just tell you something. You know the king of Zamunda? Yeah. You know that? Like, I live. That would be King Joppa.

Did you know? Who is this guy you took pictures with recently? Who? The king of some fucking mundo. Yahweh. Yahweh. Yeah. Who?

Who was that? Who? Yeah, man. I saw you picture all over that fucking gram. That's the dude from Miami, right? Who? He's from Miami. He's from, he said he's a picture all over that fucking gram. That's the dude from Miami, right? Who? He's from Miami? He's from, he said he's a prince of some place in Africa.

For real? I'll take him prince of some place? Yeah. See, that's that drug shit. I forgot. See, I forgot. I think I was supposed to have his phone number or something. I thought he was the dude that Jada was talking about,

or one of these guys were talking about. Nero Ball. Ah, Nero Ball. So you guys don't miss doing drugs at all? Oh! Great segue. Don't clap for that, you assholes. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Bunch of druggies.

Nah, nah, nah, nah, man, listen man. To each his own, cause see me, me, I believe it's I'm sorry. Bunch of druggies. Listen, man. To each his own. Because see, me, I believe it's about the person. Like, you know, it's about the person. Like, I've known a person named Keith who five years went crazy, then five years would go to the Army. Then come back, two years would be out here, then two more years, go to the Army. So, like like i knew people who knew how to really really control it so um but then i knew people who did who couldn't and i know

people who still out there so what was the moment where it was like yo this is it for me what was what was your rock is it rock bottom that you have to hit absolutely okay absolutely i think i think um in order to truly get yourself prepared to go into sobriety and work the steps and work the shit, you got to be over it. You got to be tired of it. You know, like, and to me, so many different things happened to me as a result of just being drunk all the time. Right. And I made so many bad decisions. You know what I mean?

Like, hurt people. You know what I mean? Like hurt people, you know what I mean? Like just everything bad in my life, just, you know, the common denominator was always alcohol. Fucked a couple fat bitches? Huh? Fucked a couple fat bitches on patrol? I mean, that was easy.

That was easy, probably. I feel like you ran a couple fat bitches very nice. No, no, no. He kept his standards. He kept the weight limit You didn't hit rock bottom yet And this is in no way

Any shot to What do you call it? Plus size Beautiful plus size women I was about to say Oversize women That was a little bad That would have been so bad.

This is in no way any type of shot to plus-size women. I don't think I've ever really done that like that, but, I mean, it was way deeper than that. You know, like, I got into a car accident. My first... Hold on. Let's keep it light right now. You fucked a couple ugly bitches, though.

We all fucked some ugly bitches, bro. We all fucked... We all snatched some shit, woke up in the morning, and was like, no. I think that was, like, part of being a rapper coming from the 90s. You know, we just did as the Romans do. We just came in. We did what we could, man.

Was you ever a wingman for anybody? I'm not going to lie. Let me tell you something. He sounded like an uncle. 20 years ago. His face was hilarious. 20 years ago. Not recently.

Capone was the best wingman in the game. He'll take the ugly. Capone was that with anything. He'll take the ugly friend. No problem. Like, you know you got the bad one, and she got the ugly, ugly friend. You don't see it that way.

That look like a microphone? He sees it way different, though. You look at Pong, you look at all your other friends, you be like, yo, I got, I got, I got, I got Kimberly. Is Sidney what up? Yeah, Sidney what up? No, nigga, I ain't going. Yo, Kimberly, Sidney what up?

No, nigga, I ain't going. Pong, I got Kimberly. All right, nigga, I'll take Sidney. I'll take Sidney what? No, nigga, I ain't going. Tom. I got Kimberly. All right, nigga, I'll take Sidney. I'll take Sidney down. All right, nigga. He'll take anything down. My whole career. Greatest wingman in the game. My whole career.

I've been with my wife the whole time. You know what I mean? So my whole drink, while I was drinking, that whole process was just a struggle to try to stay faithful. You know what I mean? So I never was the wingman. Oh, shit.

Was you a wingman or been winged? I definitely been a wingman. You been a wingman? Yeah, yeah. Don't tell me for him. Don't tell me you was a wingman for him. No, but you know what? I do know.

Yeah, no, no. He's a wingman for proof, I bet. I definitely was a wingman for proof. Definitely a wingman for proof. I didn't prove him. He did not play. Oh, yeah. We had proof of grabbing some chicks on the dance floor. We be dancing and shit. I've been a wingman for proof. That didn't prove anything. He did not play, boy. We didn't prove a crap.

Some chick's on the dance floor. We be dancing and shit. I've been a wingman a couple of times. Have you been a wingman? You offended you. Fuck no. I'm not going to lie. If you were a drunk lad, you might have been a wingman. You and Eddie together, y'all seem a little wingish.

Eddie, me and Eddie are not hanging out together in that way. Yeah, I know. Huh? Crave days? The fuck you acting like you the devil that knows? This guy looking beside the grave days, the grave days. Fuck you, dude. Who are you, bro?

The grave days. Yeah, man. No, no. What's your favorite part about the beginning? This? What? Just seeing, when we first started working together, one thing I wanted to do was hear people mention him as the best. I don't know if we talked, if we said it, but it was like one of the things that I was

like, yeah, I want people to know what I know about you. And I think the growth and watching that growth and watching it happen. See, being a producer, you ain't just producing music. Sometimes you're producing people. You're producing character and trying to, because when he went through, that's what made me be like, all right, I'm not going to drink. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do...

It made me chill the fuck out. Because I seen... It seemed like all of y'all unit got tight after that. Like, M, U. Even... Like, y'all tell me. Y'all tell me if this is straight.

Like, around that time, Dr. Dre made everyone go to the studio. I mean, to the gym, I heard. I heard he made the engineers. I heard he made the engineers. I heard he made the interns. He had everybody on that, yeah. They was all on it. Everybody that was there.

And it felt like Em did somewhat the same thing with you guys. He didn't force nobody to do it because it was his battle. So if Em is still in the studio, is there people still smoking around? I mean, Slaughterhouse at one point, it was a battle. Okay. So if Emerson's still in the studio, is this people still smoking around or no, that's cut out? Nah, it's just,

I mean, Slaughterhouse at one point was a couple times, but he wasn't at the studio a lot of times. He used to let us use the studio sometimes. It was before I had my studio. Who smoked in Slaughterhouse?

Crook? Crook. What the, Crook? Nah, Crook smoked cigars. Cigars. Crook smoked cigars. Nah, nobody was smoking. Joe smoked cigarettes back then.

I'm not even sure if he smoked cigarettes. We don't give him stuff. But it was just a lot of drinking. Oh, wow. We used to use his studio, and he'd come in the next morning, and there'd just be bottles and shit all over the place. He didn't care, though. He didn't care about that.

Is that a trigger for any of y'all, like when y'all see? Not for me, but I could see where that could be problematic for somebody else. Why? I just prefer, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, brother. I just prefer everybody to be themselves. You know what I'm saying? Because if, you know, like, if you get, like, when we worked on the last Slaughterhouse album

and I first got sober, the one that didn't come out, I used to be in the studio, niggas used to be hiding bottles and shit like that. That's worse for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I feel like I'm being handled. Now you treat me like an addict.

Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I just want everybody to be themselves. Whatever you need to do to get in your element, please do that, yeah. Now I feel like I'm being handled. Now you treat me like an addict. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I just want everybody to be their selves. Whatever you need to do to get in your element, please do that, man. Because it's not like if you hungry and you smell some steak being cooked. You know what I'm saying? It's nothing like that. It's way more mental than that. You know what I'm saying?

And you're not really defeating. I don't think you're really beating your addiction if you're hiding from it. Right. No, it allows you to keep exercising what you're already doing. I first started smoking cigarettes. People would walk away from me when they smoked a cigarette. I was like, I said, the guy outside of Houston is not going to walk away from me.

He's going to just smoke a cigarette in front of me, so he just might as well. I said to my friend, Sonny DBT, he smoked feet cigarettes. Feet cigarettes? Yeah. Feet cigarettes. It's like pneumonia feet and sandpaper. It's terrible to have cigarettes. What kind of? What kind of?

What is it? Marble lights and shit? Toenail lights. American spirits. Oh, God. American spirits. What the fuck is that, bro? Let me tell you something.

I've only seen that in a magazine. Yeah, yeah. Show them the cigarettes. I've never seen that in a magazine. Show them your cigarettes. Show them your cigarettes. Show them your cigarettes. Let me tell you something about it.

The one with the Indian man on the front? Yeah. Oh, shit. I ain't understand. Let me tell you something about... The one with the Indian man on the front? Yeah. Oh, shit. I didn't understand. Let me tell you something about... They make those? Let me tell you something about those cigarettes. Man, where you even find them? I thought he...

Let me just tell you something. You know what they say? They say if this was a person, this is if... I don't give a fuck about my life was a cigarette. Mm. Right there. That shit right there.

That shit smell. That shit overpower a cigar. You smoke a cigar, that shit smell like fucking bus smoke. Shit is horrible, my guy. So you guys don't miss it getting hot. That's good. That's great.

Let's make some noise for that. I don't miss it. And you fake it. You have a girl? No, no. No, so you out there still? And you, you have a girl? No, no. No, so you out there still? I mean, you know, you can have people in your life, but it's like trying to figure it out. So is that like a thing?

I haven't done what I wanted to do with my life yet. I'm not there. So it's like, what can I offer you if I'm not happy? Jesus, that's deep. I can love you. I can love you. I can I offer you if I'm not happy? Jesus. That's deep. I can love you. I can love you. I can work with you. You can ride with me through the journey,

but then the same thing as being an artist is the destination. Family is the destination. So until I can provide that and give you that, I can't give you that if I ain't happy. So I ain't even... So you're strapping up. Straight. Strap it up.

Strap it up. Strap it up. You know niggas out here going raw. Please. Coronavirus. Without the coronavirus. I'm not being a saviour. Niggas going raw without the coronas, nigga.

He ain't even drinking corona no more, nigga. Let's talk. No, no, no. Relax, man. Stop the corona beer, bro. Niggas should stop drinking corona. You notice that? Drink corona beer, guys.

That's another reason why I'm faithful, man. Like, I wish I would. You'd be caught dead. You'd be like, I'm not even drinking Corona. I'm just drinking Corona. I'm just drinking Corona. I'm just drinking Corona. I That's another reason why I'm faithful, man. Like, I wish I would be caught dead using a goddamn condom. I'm a grown-ass man, dawg. I ain't gonna lie. Your condoms just stink.

What? They just stink. Condoms just stink. I thought you said your condoms stink. No. I was like, where did this come from? And you don't want to go to gear condoms. No. Jesus. I was like, where did this come from? Hey, you don't want to go to your condoms

with you and Charlie, OK? Tell the story. I'm going to go home. You and your best friend used a condom together. What? No. That's not true. This guy makes up his own story.

And she had a condom. What are you talking about? They didn't even have Charlie in the equation though. It wasn't Charlie, was it? Nah, it was some weird fucking. Charlie was there. Charlie tried to do what I was doing. It was a stranger?

We're not going to go down this path. Him and his friends both used the same condom. Bottom line. No, no. No, but listen. Bro, you was hanging out. You was hanging out there too. Yo, man, I'm stuck. I'm No, no. No, but I'm- Listen. Bro, you was hanging out. You was hanging out there too. No, man, I'm stuck. I'm stuck, though.

What happened was, somebody left the room and somebody else picked up some joint off the ground. Already used. And went to town. That's what happened. There was no Charlie. There was nobody else. Don't let him remix it. And have to remix it. That motherfucker did that? That motherfucker? He fucked up. I don't know about that. I see you wasn't second. That's all right.

Hell no. We're not sure. Don't play with us, all right? No, hell no. Hold on a second. I walked out and then I heard some other shit happening. We heard you say, you're good looking, homie, for giving me your year. You're a good looking, homie.

You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're a good looking, homie. You're dog. No, hell no. Hold on a second. I walked out, and then I heard some other shit happening.

We heard. He said, yo, good looking, homie, for giving me your usual. Like, he took his shit off and handed it to him like that. Yeah, yeah. He high-fived, no. He like, thank you. And then he's like, it wasn't mine, but cool. So when I found out, I said, yo, you know this shit?

I called them. I said, whoa. I wasn't used to that Miami shit at that time. I said, these Miami niggas is different. Nah, Nari was like, at least they use Cubs. Maybe. But hey, man, let's make some noise for EFN using with his homie. What is going on?

Yo, what up, what up, what up? No classmate here. I'm happy you're still here with us. Yeah. Yo, but every year, there's the Mezools, there's the Mumps, there's all this shit. The Mezools and the Mumps? He said it.

What was it, what was it? I thought you was naming gangs. Yo, the Mezools and the Mumps is beef. He said it, there's the Mezools and there's the Mumps. You know, it's something Chicken Chicken Chicken Chicken Chicken

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Tyree's house. I think Tyree's, he's the only nigga I've seen left. He the only black nigga with one. I knew you said Tyree's house. I think Tyree, he's the only nigga I seen left. He the only black nigga with one. I knew you said Tyrese. I think Tyrese bought them all. Big Him bought his mother. But you think that we are in scare? And they purposely putting us in scare?

Or this is something that's one million percent real? You speaking about the coronavirus? Yeah. Particular? Yeah, particular. Yeah. I believe it's something that came from Asia. Right.

I believe that. They say that somebody bit a bat, and that's how it came. But Ozzy Osbourne bit a bat. He bit a fake bat. I never heard that. He bit a fake bat. I never heard that. He bit a fake bat.

It was always fake. I'm going to be honest. It wasn't real? Nah, man. Oh, shit. Listen, Ozzy Osbourne's the OG. He was never real, bro. That was he was real no I'll tell you if you believe that was real wrong oh and Dominican Republic stop it yeah I

thought no he did it one time but not every fucking show. Yeah, yeah. It was a live, though, when he did it? Oh, man. I believe in both, though. I believe that a virus can come here from another country, but I also believe in population control, too. I believe in both. And niggas is fucking animals, too.

And you can believe in the media fucking it up. And the doctors fucking it up. The fucked up but listen. And the doctors fucking it up. The fucked up thing is this, to me. Every year we had something, right? Every year was something new popped up. That's crying wolf. When the real shit happens, ain't nobody going to be ready.

You know why I think this is the real shit happening? Because Trump is saying this is not the real shit. That just scares the shit out of me. No, he turned around today. He turned around today? Today or yesterday? He fucked up. No, because the first death in America happened. No, he turned around today. He turned around today? Today or yesterday. And he said, oh, he fucked up? No, because the first death in America happened.

Oh, yeah, D.C., right? And then he came back and said, oh, I'm sorry, it's real. Not Washington, D.C.? Yeah, it's state. Oh, Seattle and all that. Whoa. They got the best butt out there. Well, I'm not.

I'm going to take it as, you know, we don't know. Once people start dropping and shit like that, I just, I'm always, I'd rather be ready than not. If Bernie Sanders, if Bernie Sanders get it, we finish. What the fuck? I don't know why people think that. Why would you think that? Because I don't think he'll get a call right now, Bernie Sanders. This is my man.

Oh, you're saying if he get, oh, you're saying if he get the fuck. Oh, he, he. I thought you said. He get bird flu, nigga. We fucked up. You fuck with Bernie? Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.

You fuck with Bernie? This is why I fuck with Bernie. You endorsing him? Let me tell you why I fuck with Bernie. Let me tell you why I'm endorsing him. Killer Mike is a very close friend of mine. A lot of times I hang out with Killer Mike. We don't post pictures.

We don't, you know, just hang out. The other day, Killer Mike comes to town. He said, yo, I want to get some weed. I want to buy some food. I want to drink. And we're having the best time. I'll come out the best, best time. And he knows when I start to drink, I don't want to be political at all.

And because he's a very smart person. So when you're drunk, you don't want to hear no smart shit. So, you know, I make it't want to hear no smart shit. So I make it clear, Mike, let's relax. Let's dumb it down for me. The drunker I get, the less I want to comprehend. Right, right, right.

And it's out. We're just killing me. It's killing me, Ian. And then I forget how it happens. And he just dead serious. He was like, yo, Bernie's for us. And I was just like, he knew my stance he knew everything but for the way he said it and how he said it i was like you know what i'm

fucking with you and i'm fucking with him for that but i do look like i think ant could beat bernie sand Sanders in a fight. Who? Ant. Ant. Who? Ant. Ant, stand up, Ant. Come on.

Ant, stand up, Ant. In a fight. In a fight. Look, Ant. I think Ant might fuck up Bernie Sanders, man, because the camera's focused on Ant. Yeah, but that don't matter. That don't matter, man. I don't want my president to be able to fight. Nah.

He said I want him to be able to fight. Obama. Let me tell you something. The way Obama shot the jump shot, you could tell he know I just threw it right here. For real. Like, you know what I mean?

You saying Bernie a little old? I think Bernie, I think Bernie, I don't know. I'm not sure if Bernie can stick with us. I'm, I'm, I'm,

damn, y'all don't even know. All right. I'm going to fuck with Bernie. I'm sticking with Bernie. I'm going to burn. What is it? The burns? I'm burned.

Y'all got something to say on that? You fucking with Bernie? Like, who you fucking with? Oh, y'all don't want to get close. I'm sticking with Bernie. What is it? The Berns? I'm Bernie. Y'all got something to say on that? Like, who you fucking with? I really feel like, to me, I always feel like it's like the one thing that we doing wrong, and this is, you know, for me watching all day, the one thing you notice

about Republicans, they don't give a fuck if a person is a murderer. As long as they going for their politics, they don't go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They stick with their party and they send them. What we do is

nah man fuck well they done tore down everybody first what's called was winning then Bernie was winning Biden was winning then Kamala Harris

then Cory Booker what we gotta do is figure out everything anything you want to work there's some kind of unity gotta happen right and everybody keep on

talking about how the black vote is more popular. Yeah. That to me is some kind of unity got to happen, right? And everybody keep on talking about how the black vote is more popular. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. That, to me, is letting me know how powerful we are. Yo, Mike Bloomberg

is trying to buy our community. Like, this nigga, let me just tell you something. I can't go nowhere in the hood without a Bloomberg ad. Like, that,

it's in the hood. Well, he's just blowing money because ain't nobody fucking with him. Yeah, yeah. You think that's gonna work No I ain't gonna lie Some nigga's gonna take some money though

Like some nigga's gonna I mean you He can't do that though He can't pay people to vote for him Yeah Not to vote for him But he can pay people To campaign

Indirectly To campaign You know what That's the people Nat Turner was like I think he fucking He gonna fuck up the democratic shit But what I will tell you

about Bloomberg is he fucked up. Sop and Frist, all that shit is foul shit. Ah, there's a shit in it for that shit, man. He did mad foul shit.

But I'll tell you this, the way you correct foul shit is to do something correct about it. But you can't do something correct when it's your time to try to get voted.

But the fact that he has a black agenda makes that shit kind of interesting. I don't believe that shit. You can't believe it until you get to the office. Some of these people can start doing this. You got another Royce? Prior to office.

I think I'm getting high off contact. Okay, my bad. So Royce is good. My bad. I'm sinking down more into my seat. This is my first really,, really, really into... You've watched Bill Moore? Who?

Do I watch Bill Moore? Bill Moore. Absolutely not. No. Well, he talked about him on his own. Oh. Nah, I watch Bill Moore, but I like what he said, though. I forgave him.

I don't fuck with Bill Moore. Because of the nigga shit? Yeah. Oh, yeah, but did you watch the actual show when he did it? Of course I did. Okay, I didn't feel like he meant it And you know what it was Ice Cube checking him

I watched that too When Ice Cube I love that Yeah when Ice Cube checked him And how he checked him Yeah yeah yeah I immediately forgave him I'm not boycotting him

You can't forgive him though For it I mean I did I forgave him I don't think you just Forgive him Like blanket forgive him You know what it is

He used the joke How I would use the joke. And that's what it is. Sometimes being around brothers, sometimes... Like, listen, it's a habit. And I don't mean to take up for him. But if you hang around your crip, homie, trust me, you will be like,

yo, cuz! Yo, cuz! Yo, cuz! It's just inevitable. You hang around your blood, homie, after a while, you'll be like, yo, blood. You'll be like, damn you be like damn you catch yourself I feel like

I feel like he's hanging out with black people so much I feel like Bill Maher is a brilliant man brilliant yes he's a brilliant man and I feel like he knows better

period he knows better that's what I think I feel like I'm not like boycotting him or anything I just haven't I take more offense to Gucci

I haven't had a desire to get back into the show after I've seen him do it I take more offense to Gucci I ain't watched it since I took offense to Gucci as well to Gucci. I have a desire to get back into the show after I've seen him do it. I take more offense to Gucci. I ain't watched it since. I took offense to Gucci as well. To Gucci than I did with Bill Moore because I kind of don't know him as a person. Don't know him as a person, but I followed his other shows and I lead up to here.

He's definitely not racist. He's definitely not that guy. He used it in the wrong way and he used it in the wrong context. And he shouldn't have used it at all. I never took it. He shouldn't have used it at all. But Gucci took it. He shouldn't have used it at all. But Gucci is a big corporation. Yeah, I never took it as him being racist.

And remember, Bill Moore was live, too. It's socially irresponsible. He was live. Bill Moore was live. Gucci is not live. Gucci has to go through a whole bunch of processes. It was planned out. That kind of scene planned out to me, Gucci.

You know, Bill Moore, again, it was, and I'm not defending him because he doesn't need me defending him. I feel you. But it was live. It was something. He's like to me, Gucci. You know, Bill Moore again. And I'm not defending him because he doesn't need me to defend him. I feel you. But it was live. It was something. He's like, hey, hey. I'm not a house nigger. That's what he said. And it definitely shouldn't have been said.

Definitely was wrong. Definitely was out of content. But I feel like that was live. It was a mistake. Gucci, there's no way you couldn't have known that, you know, having that and was it Burberry,

I think, too? It was like somebody, like, it was like Montclair. Montclair. It was like back to back in the weeks.

And, um, it was Burberry, right? It was Burberry. And this is what I, this is what I feel. I know I'm off subject. So we all did this boycott.

Boycott of Gucci, right? Not all of us. Most of us did, right? Then Gucci comes to the hood. He gives $2 million to... Well, representative of Gucci. Gives $2 million to, I believe, a black community. I forget what it was.

And Dapper Dan is there. And then now everyone's back rocking with you what is your stance on that Dapper Dan's a legend that but no no not Dapper Dan we know Dapper Dan we know that part like that's the legend with Gucci or without for sure but the actual situation because he didn't have nothing to do with that yeah I mean I don't know I don't know um enough about that part of the situation per se to be able to speak about it intelligently. I will say this. I agree

with you. I agree with you. I don't think that something like that, a trigger like that can be pulled without it being well thought out and it going through proper channels. And I just feel like somebody should have seen it before it came out. And when things like that happen, people need to be held accountable.

And it's okay to accept the apology. It's okay to accept the apology and move forward as long as we can move forward in a way that's helpful to everybody. And these things don't just keep repeating themselves. What would happen if we really controlled our own dollar? Like if we really said, yo, you know what? For the whole month of March, we're only going to wear Macy Mangiello. We're only going to wear this, this, this

and that. We're only going to buy this type of groceries. We're only going to buy... Whatever happens, we really control our dollar. And let me make it bigger than just black people. Let me call it hip-hop. Because hip-hop has every generation. I think it'll be that moment that we realize the value that we bring to this country.

We'll realize how powerful we are. That's the intro you saw from Akon. But we will also, too, to me, I always feel like the boogeyman going to show his face at that point. Remember Tosa Oklahoma remember that's why that happened because of that because of that unification

because they unified and they did that I heard Waka Flocka say the other day he said if Puffy Jay Z Birdman and Dr. Dre

all was to get a label there was no one artist would not sign it would be no more labels It would be no more labels. It would be no more labels. They forget everything. I mean, we were all signed to them. We were all like,

give me an independent deal. Give me a major deal. Whatever. This would be us controlling us. Why the fuck that doesn't really happen? It might. Nobody really say it.

It goes into what I've been kind of saying throughout my whole press run is we just need to start thinking more as a collective than as individuals. You know, Jay-Z, Puff, Dre, they don't have to be their own entities. You know what I mean? Like, they can also think as collectives, just like us as artists need to think more as collectives. Shit, the same way that Waka is saying that they can form something, shit, me, you,

Waka, and Killer Mike can form a label. You know what I mean? We just need to start thinking about how much more pertinent our movements would be if we started to think about the possibility of us coming together as opposed to us looking at it like we're in competition with each other.

I think what Waka was saying is like the tops. And then all of us will form in the top like right now like right now you um e1 projects on e1 big up to alan like i said i love what alan is doing with you and he's a good guy i've seen him the other day but no one would really sign with that like if they had a division if they had an e1 division with dre that people will go over there you know what i'm saying like i'm just saying like saying I imagine one day where hip-hop controlling hip-hop. This is the reason why even Drink Champs exists.

It's because we want to be the people that interview the artists, people that have been in the locker room with you. I don't have one album. I don't have one hit. I have tremendous. I have a whole bunch. I have real experience. I have catalog. You know what I'm saying? And not only that, I still go to

other people's shows like Freddie Gibbs the other day was out here I went to his show and he tried to get me to go on stage I was like

that's not why I'm here like I'm here to support you and watch and I need to understand why you're the next guy for the next generation that's because I'm really a fan

I just feel like when we do really control that's why I love what everyone else is doing with me I'm really a fan. I just feel like when we do really, really control, that's why I love what everyone else is doing with me. Not just us. You know what I'm saying? I salute.

You don't get me to befriend with nobody. You don't get me to befriend with nobody. That can't happen no more. Because I don't really care. We're not in the competition. And that's one of the reasons why we didn't do what we did. We could have went other places and really, really went outside the culture and really secured futures for us. But we said we'd rather stick with the culture.

You know what I'm saying? Because it's things that, you know, certain companies probably won't let us say. Certain companies probably tell us to dumb the weed down. Certain companies probably, you know, tell us, you know what I'm saying, don't interview this guy.

Interview these type of people. You know what I'm saying? And we wanted to stick with the culture. But I wonder when is the culture going to want to stick with the culture? When are we going to like, you know what I'm saying? There's always got to be an example, man. You know, like we trend,

it's a trendy, we follow the trend. Like we wanted to go change it. It's got to be that thing. And it don't have to be the top tier of money to do it. You know what I mean? So I think it's gotta start with that because Jay-Z could do it. Dre could do it.

They all could do it, but so could we. Wow. I love the fact that y'all keep saying that. We gotta take those steps. Right. It don't have to be that way. So at one point, Dr. Dre gave you advice because you and your wife was like 20 years or something like 20 when he was thinking about getting his wife and girlfriend an abortion?

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Good. Yeah. He just told me not to do it. He said he didn't believe in it. What, an abortion? Yeah. Oh, no, me neither.

Yeah, I mean, shit, I'm up to thinking now, man, I'll have as many as possible. You know, I got plenty of babies. I got five kids total. And shit, if my wife was with it, I'd have five more. Ten more. I'll keep having them. Goddamn, make some noise for that.

They should have voiced the five nines out there, goddammit. You want five nines with them. How about you? You trying to plan something out there? I'm trying to. Oh, you say you're wrapping it up. I have my daughter. She's my guy, but that's my daughter.

Okay. So, I mean, like, and she got three little ones. So, they like, that's my whole little team. God damn it. So, what's next for you, man? Album. Album, okay. You can produce your own shit, too?

Yeah, yeah. Of course. We're going to do a couple, too. Okay. Now, we're going to do some of that heavy lifting. Okay, okay, okay. No, but this one, the first one, yeah, I did everything. Okay. Now, I'm going to do some of that heavy lifting. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, but this one, the first one, yeah, I did everything. Okay.

Y'all both always reduced? Or this was something that... He just learned in the last year. I know that. It's incredible what he's doing. It took a year. That's it. Maybe six months. That's crazy, man. You like Kobe with the Beethoven shit? You know, Kobe learned Beethoven in

two weeks. Did he? Yeah, yeah. That's not easy. No one else learned know, Kobe learned Beethoven in two weeks. Did he? Yeah, yeah. That's not easy. No one else taught him? I didn't learn he learned to play in two weeks. Huh? Just by listening. Yeah, just by listening to it.

He taught himself. Kobe Bryant? Oh, he's one of those. Kobe Bryant taught himself Beethoven. Man, I did not know that. He probably just, he probably, see, he's one of those people, he has the propensity to be able to practice around the clock. I love to practice.

Y'all didn't see Kobe's funeral? No. Come on, man. Y'all like the only two niggas in the world. Y'all didn't see Michael Jordan make another crime, man? Yeah, man. My heart couldn't take it. I never cried like that. I don't like crime.

Yeah, I never cried like that, but you know what it was? It was just couldn't turn away because I actually't like crying. Yeah, I never cried like that. But you know what it was? It was just something. I just couldn't turn away because I actually, this is my ghostwriting thing. I actually did a record with Kobe. And I wanted to write his rhymes so bad. Like, if you actually pull up that record that he got, he's biting my style, bro. For real?

He's trying to sound like me, bro. Listen, I'm just telling you. This is real shit. This is real shit. That's why he went like me, bro. Listen, I'm just telling you, this is real shit. This is real shit. This is why he went to Track Masters. I'm saying, he was trying to bite me, Nas, and Hov. I forget the joint where he's with a suit on. He's biting my eye rag.

You know how I used to double back? So I was so wanting to write his rhyme, and Kobe looked at me like, Kobe Bryant, I got my own shit. I was like, oh, shit. So I went and I watched this shit, and then Michael Jordan comes up. And when Michael Jordan comes up, he goes, I'm going to be another crimey mean for the next three, four years. Because he's the ugliest crier ever.

You ever see, oh, Michael Jordan cries ugly, bro. Like, that's an ugly crier, my dude. Like, he cries like, he just look, oh, he look like a piece of shit. Jesus. All right, all right. But yeah, but Kobe, and it was also another thing that struck me is he said that Michael went to see Phil Jackson one day. And when he went to see Phil Jackson, the first thing Kobe said is, yo, you bring your shoes?

Like, he constantly, like... Competitive. Like, competitive. Did you feel like that with Renegade, with Eminem? Because everyone really says that this is the one time that Jay took a loss with people. Did you? Did I feel like that about our version or their version?

Whichever version you want. Well, when we did our version, we didn't even realize that it had the potential to be that special. Right. I had a lot of songs already, too. Yeah, we had a lot of songs already, and

I think it's me and Marshall. So that was Marshall's same verse? Yeah, yeah. The verse that was on with you? Yeah. Okay, cool. But see, me and him, we approached the beat similar, very similar. So we attacked it the same. So, take

me off, and then have Jay come in and put his verses on there, and he attacks the beat totally different. And produce that? Yeah. He lays back in the pocket. Did Jay get to hear his verses first, or you don't know this? Yeah, he sent him his verses. Okay, okay, okay.

He sent him his verses. And then when Jay laid his, it became magic. It didn't sound like that with me on there. To me, that's a great record. I've never kind of, and I get slack for saying this on this. I think Irv came on here. I get slack for saying this. I always look at the record like a great record.

I never really looked at who outshined who. You know what I'm saying? I get that this is a competitive sport. I get that there's people that's going to look at it. But to me, I don't feel like I should get criticism for just looking at a record and saying, all right, look, you see it says paint and fall, right? I just look at that art, I say paint and fall, I love it.

But there's certain individuals that say that paint is perfect. Yeah. And there's certain individuals that say the fall is perfect. It's all perspective. That's what I'm saying. To me, I just love the art. I think the way that they attacked it, they attacked it two totally separate, different ways. So it's hard to compare the two.

It almost just boils down to preference. It's what you prefer. What style you prefer. You know what I mean? Jay did it his way. It's not the illest Jay verses you're going to hear. Em did it his way. It's not the illest Em verses you're going to hear,

but them together as a marriage and it being on a blueprint too. It's crazy. It's special, man. It's crazy. It's special. It didn't sound like that when it was me and Marshall. You think it's because Nas put it out there when Nas made E.T. He said, Eminem bodied you on your own shit.

You know that had to have something to do with it. I always get that shit, yeah. That's a good one. That put people in perspective. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because that was a classic moment. You know what I mean?

So, of course, that's gone. You know what I mean? I love hip-hop, man. I'm just thinking about this shit. Nas said you was Stan. You know what I mean? And Em coined was staying, you know what I mean? And coined that phrase, you know what I mean? Now it's a homie scam.

All right, big up Scare. I love hip hop, man. I do too, man. I love hip hop. So what makes you keep going, though, Royce? I mean, listen, I'm going to be honest. I got tired of this game at one point. At one point, I didn't want to look at a mic.

I didn't want to look at a stage. I just wanted to get so far. I really had lost it. It took a lot for me to come back. I remember Pharrell. I remember me calling Pharrell, and Pharrell was like, I don't do hip hop no more. And me being like, what the fuck are you talking about, motherfucker? You going to give me a beat?

Rob Markman Right. Like, I don't do hip-hop no more. And me being like, what the fuck are you talking about, motherfucker? You're going to give me a beat. And I didn't know that sometimes you get out of the zone. I didn't know sometimes you just need to go into your own world. Have you ever felt like that? Nah. I think with me... You never lost a little bit of love for it? I never lost any love for it. When I got sober, it just was a reset

but like you had a girl cheat on you before have i had a girl treat me before like you know like i mean you was growing up uh yep yeah in high school but come on hip-hop is cheating on you you never felt bad you don't remember how to hip-hop cheat on me what do you mean because we gave you Kashi 6ix9ine. No, I never looked at it like that. I mean, that's G-Loners, bro. He's in our fraternity, regardless if you like it or not. Man, you know what, bro? They're not even the same thing, though.

Yeah, I always... He's in our fraternity. He is a rapper. My brother, I always felt like whenever I did something, I figured out to make it just my place in hip-hop. I carved out my own place, you know what I mean? So I never felt like I was on the outside of something that was happening. I just somehow figured out a way to just survive all the different ways that hip-hop evolved

and all the different spaces that it was in. Whenever I needed to release some music, I found a way to just make it exist with whatever was happening at the time and that that kind of chases a little bit fun to me you know but when I got sober it was like I was starting all over because everything that I did drunk was like a thing of the past to me because my approach to the music was totally different because it was like now I'm clicking on our cylinder so it just gave me a whole new reason to just kind of start over and build my brand from a different. Plus, I had a better understanding of how to build a brand at that point, too.

At first, it felt like this would never happen. But I feel like another slaughterhouse, it might be happening. Another slaughterhouse happening? Yeah. Why you feel like that? I don't know. I'm just guessing. I'm just trying

that's not that's not the card Troy that's not the card y'all won't replace Joe Biden? no way that'll never happen

that'll never happen that's not possible nobody nobody in slaughterhouse could be replaced bro yeah that's weird you know like if you if you replace

like why be in Cordell? I mean Corday you thought about it Look at that. He thought about it. If you put Cordell in there instead of somebody else, then it's a whole different group. It's not Slaughterhouse.

We got to come up with a different name. How about House Slaughter? Huh? House Slaughter. Okay. All right, cool. That's good. Different group.

No, I'm fucking around. No, I'm fucking around. I'm fucking around. But, man, listen, man. This nigga's reaching in. Ah. Man, man. Hip-hop is so beautiful, man.

Yeah, it is. So, what's the next transition? Like, after this, is it getting in movies? Is it, what is it? I never had a desire to do movies, ever. I never had a desire to act movies ever I never had a desire to act for some reason I don't know why

because that seems like the obvious next step for most rappers to me I'm having fun in the production realm that's what Chuck D said I think Chuck D said

he didn't want to act yeah I have no desire to but I'm you know I don't close the door on the possibility I got all the desire they ain't hiring me

because I all the desire no opportunity ain't hiring me. All the desire, no opportunity. I never know what I'm going to wake up and want to do, but whatever that is, if I decide to take it on, man, I just put my best foot forward and put in the work and then just try to get good at it. But right now, I know that I'm not much of a multitasker, so once I'm done making albums, my passion

is to put it into the next generation, the next group of artists that we're going to be working with under Heaven. You know what I'm saying? That's my company, Heaven Studios. Oh, I see that. So Ashley Sorrell, Ashley Sorrell, she's on my album. Y'all heard her on my album. She's like nine songs in, man.

Her shit is phenomenal, bro. It's phenomenal. And I'm excited for her. I'm excited for the possibilities of what the shit is going to sound like when it's finished. I'm producing on it as well. I'm excited about that. You know what I'm saying?

He's producing on it, of course. My man B Jones is producing on it, who's another young producer coming up. Phenomenal. And, you know, like I want to be able to give her all of my attention that she needs without, you know, making my own albums and trying to focus on her at the same time. Yeah, I mean, I can't do that. I can't do that. How about you, Porter? Are you thinking about acting or anything else?

I think the only, right now for me is like doing... I never really put my foot into the solo realm. So that's what I'm about to do. But I'm going to change shit, what I'm doing. I want people to look at... I feel like what I'm about to do with this record is make people change their whole perspective on restarting and age, all of that. I'm taking all of that out the way. So you got the spikes on too.

You're taking it back to 88. I'm literally doing what I want to do. You tell them the Warriors to come out and play. Warriors, come out and play. And you're like, I'm going to do it. got the spikes on too taking it back to 88 i'm literally doing what i want like you like you tell them the warriors to come out and play warriors come out and play ain't no ain't no ain't no uh i don't want it to be looked at as one thing like since people mixing it i feel like drake singing rap and all that shit like but he don't do it the way i would do it

right i mean you guys are legendary man um i want to thank both of you brothers, man, for coming out here, man. Thank you, man, for having me. Just kicking hip-hop, man, because I sincerely, like I said, Royce, I really looked at all your interviews, and I was like, damn, this is a great run, man. And I really want to say you deserve it. You know what I'm saying? You deserve it because you're doing it the right way.

You're being a purist, and you're making grown-up fucking raps raps like you know i'm saying you're making age-appropriate music like you ain't sitting there talking about you know i mean suck my dick bitch like you know i'm saying like that's when we was 18 god damn it like we can't keep doing that so um you know i want to thank you man i want to appreciate but look we got a couple more minutes right um we got a couple more minutes yeah so anything else you want to say? You know what, man? To add on to what we were saying about helping the youngins develop, that's another thing.

Like our studio, like Heaven Studios, the studio, we want to turn that shit into like a hub. You know, like if you just think of, let's use Def Jam for an example, right? Paul is over there. All of the artists. Paul just left, right? Yeah, he just left. But all of the artists on that roster that's just kind of sitting.

Right. Imagine if it was just like something we could do where we cut some type of deal with the label. They could just send them. Because I know Proof Son, the sign. Wow. Phenomenal. Phenomenal young artists. Wow.

People like that. Young rock. Come through. Young rock. We helpomenal young artists. People like that come through. Young rock. We help develop them. Make sure that they get the records that they need. And by the time we done with them, they totally efficient out here to be able to grow.

You know what I mean? It's exactly what you said you want to do. We want to do the same thing. That's why I was saying we should work together. I got you. What's the question? I'm saying anything else you want to do? I mean, that's pretty, that's where we at.

I think that's our narrative. That's what we trying to like, as a team, that's what we trying to do. It's like when you think of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis to me, that's what this is. Wow. It's that new version of that. I need a beat, nigga. Look at their eyes, nigga.

Look at the eyes of Tiger in them. Nigga, I need a beat, nigga. Look at their eyes, nigga. Look at the eyes. They're tiny in them. Nigga, I need a beat, nigga. Bring me out of the diamond. Jesus. Jesus, man. I believe in y'all. Yo, man, I don't know if y'all know, man,

but our show is about celebrating the people whose lives and their careers while they're alive. I hate the fact that so many people will say, you know, this is great. These guys were great when we passed away, man. We wouldn't do that now. Like, I just seen the image of Pop Smoke, and it's great, you know,

big up to the people in Paris who participated in making a hologram image of Pop Smoke. But I tell you what would be ill, like, you know, start doing hologram images of people who are alive. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, shit, nigga, let a nigga feel good while he here. You know what I'm saying? Like, shit, nigga, Drake deserve a hologram. Yeah, yeah.

Fucking Pusha T, fucking Royce, fucking Rick Ross, fucking, you know what I'm saying, Busta Rhymes, Fat Joe. You know what I'm saying? Fucking everyone. Like, shit, make it a thing. Don't make it a thing for people that's dead. Make it a thing for people that's alive. And that's no diss to the people who actually did that because I thought that was courageous. I thought it was dope.

But I also think it's backwards because I want to show people who love why they're alive. This way it's a celebration when they're gone. Right, yeah. Because we was already, it's a continued celebration. Guess what?

We was already celebrating your monkey ass while you was here. Right, right. You understand what I'm saying? That's it. Let's do some drops. Great. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Chance Let's do some drops. Riega on Twitter. Mine is at who's crazy on IG at DJ EFN on Twitter. And most importantly, stay up to date with the latest releases, news and merch by going to drinkchamps.com.

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