Drink Champs - Episode 207 w/ Math Hoffa

Episode Date: April 17, 2020

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today’s episode we chop it up with battle rap legend Math Hoffa! Host of the podcast My Expert Opinion, Hoffa and The Champs don't hold back as the trio bless the podcast mics!Hoffa shares with us what it takes to be a Battle Rapper, as he shares war stories of his iconic battles between Daylyt, Dizaster and Serius Jones to name a few. Math shares his journey as a battle rapper and how he's transitioned to becoming a podcaster.In this episode the guys talk about topics such as the JAY Z & Nas battle, classic hip hop albums, what separates legendary rappers from trendy rappers, unreleased Foxy Brown verses for C-N-N’s "Bang Bang" and Drake being a huge battle rap fan.Math also breaks down how he'd like to improve the business of battle rap, by providing artists publishing and royalties for their battles, medical insurance and more.Lots of gems and insight on the battle rap scene in this episode. Don't sleep!Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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motherfucker Where every day is New Year's Eve It's time for Drink Champs Drink up, motherfucker Yo, what it good, me homies? What it super? This is your boy, N-A-O-N-A-N What up? It's DJ EFN in English And this is Drink Champs, motherfucker, Yappy Hour Make some noise! And when we started this show, we wanted to give love to pioneers. We wanted to give love to legends.

We wanted to give people that's been in this game 10 years or more and that has proved their point and has stood there through the test of time. And when we talk about the brother that's here right now, he's one of my favorite battle rappers. I enjoyed two days in a row just researching him, researching his battlefield. And not only that that not only are we sitting here because he's the artist he's a he's a battle rapper but not only that he is controlling the podcast but I'm pointing up right now when you talk about battle rap we

shouted him out first and then Eminem had to come and shout him out after that you know I mean but let's just be clear. We was the first. You know what I'm saying? But let me be clear. He's my friend. I've been speaking to him for years, been hanging out with him for years, but I didn't shout him out because he's my friend. I didn't shout him out

because he was a real nigga. I didn't shout him out because he was hanging out for years. I shouted him out because he dead seriously has the best podcast out right now when it comes to battle rap. A lot of us can't sit around

and just, you know, absorb so much, of us can't sit around and just you know Absorb so much, but you can sit around that give them an hour give them two hours and he'll let you know Everything that's happening in battle rap everything that's happening in the culture Everything is happening from people that he mess with the people they don't mess with in case you don't know the fuck I'm talking about to my Really appreciate that motherfucking hopper. Make some motherfucking noise. Yo, I sincerely appreciate that, bro. Oh, no, no, no.

It's sincere. It's sincere. I can't, it's in my heart. Throughout the years, like phone conversations and speaking to you and knowledge that you share

with me and all that. No, you've been a real dude. But let's just, let's just, let's just boil it down, right? Because your idea, actually, word is born.

Three and a half years ago, Murder Mook had to me right and murder mook said yo i think he wanted to do a podcast so i said the murder mook the first dude who does a podcast about battle rap and keeps it about battle rap yeah it's gonna win i had no now to win. I'm not saying, because your idea is perfected better than I applied it. And that's real shit. Not gassing you up or nothing like that. But I knew, so me as a person that I'm pretty much busy.

A lot of people are busy. And battle rap really conceals a lot of your time. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's like any other sport. You get into it. So what made you say to yourself, you know what, I'm going to be the one to step up and cover our culture? Well, the show is called My Expert Opinion.

And we live in an era where anybody who pick up a camera to a certain extent is a vlogger. And they got an opinion on whatever's going on, whether it's sports, whether it's hip-hop, whatever, politics, whatever. All they need is a camera. But a lot of the times

their information is not accurate. They don't got no type of history behind what they talking about. They don't know the big picture. So I said, yo, I'm tired of these motherfuckers talking about me and getting the shit wrong.

And I know it happens to a lot of other battle rappers, a lot of other rappers too. So I said, yo, I'm going to make this show, my expert opinion. So if you need to know something about battle rap or things going on around me or in this world, you get an expert to tell you what it is. You know what I mean?

Now, here goes a Super Th Oh G shirt for you, baby But honestly you just have voice Just have voice 259 on right and There's a part where I felt like voice You asked voice you said would, would he be opposed to having battle rappers sit with him for two or three months? Like, to sharpen his skills.

Yo, I was... No, no, no, you'll get it. I get it, I get it. You don't want to hear what he said. It's like slap boxing, right? It's like slap boxing. Yeah, slap boxing is different from going in the real ring. So, there's a lot of niggas who can slap box the shit out of you.

Like get him ready for a battle? Is that what you mean? Like you slap boxing in Long Island? It's different from slap boxing in Brooklyn. There you go. You did what I'm saying? You might need to sit with a couple Brooklyn dudes before you try to slap box somebody in the middle of an Albany project.

You feel what I'm saying? Because, and let me try to reiterate what he's saying, is when you battle rap, like we know Royce have done, and we know he's battle rapped before, but not on that stage like a Joe Biden. But when you battle rap, you have to have the most thickest skin

in the fucking world. Because here you are, whether you can beat this person in a real fight or not, you have to take their abuse for that next three minutes. Or for the next seven. So you can literally sit at somebody. You can literally battle somebody that you beat up before. You literally beat this nigga up before. And this nigga can still get you because he can say, you know what I'm saying?

It's almost like a weakness that physically you can whoop his ass and then try to do it in a battle run. Right. Not necessarily like, and it's funny because I did battle those twice. Let's go in there. Don't bring it up yet. Go ahead. But it's just different from what it was before.

So if you're thinking about, oh, 8 Mile, yeah, I can do that. I can grab a mic, rap on a beat. Nah, it's not that. This is more of like, it's how you move. It's how you perform. It's what you say. It's the cadence. It's so many things to it that we see like artists try to come

and battle in this new era. Yeah, no, it's evolved completely different from what it was. Like Cassidy was once a god of battles. And Joe Buttons like Cassidy was once a god right and Joe Joe was in Cassidy is kind of Both my boys right, but they're kind of like the that child that like when you look that up like yo You gotta stay sharp smoke you My boy that I used to manage the artist recognized. I don't remember recognize

MTV back to me now remember that from him and then he tried it. I think I forget what what battle II he just stepped into it again. It wasn't the same for you. He got smoke He wasn't doing it no more, I mean he's a nasty MC, but he just he wasn't doing that anymore, right? Cuz it's different man is just you you want that stage you got to control everything right everything right and that that's a big part of it I'm glad I was trying to tell okay. Yeah, I was trying to tell them to make sure we go back there Okay, this is This is you and- Oh, good looking out, bro. Yeah. Well, these my brothers.

Okay. That's not hollering on. No, it's not hollering on. You sort of battle. You know what's going on. Okay. Okay. All right.

Cool. I'm going to take it LOL, LOL. All right. Cool. What's this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bang, bang. Let me get my shit together because I'm wearing my shit.

What are we talking about? Who's into this? The evolution of it you the evolution of it and Royce all right I know exactly what you meant when you said the world but go back cuz look you guys are talking like insider talk whoever's listening doesn't know exactly what happened with Royce I so so cool what can I say something and then you you tell me if I'm accurate or not I cool you tell me what cuz I see your face when you said the voice you say you look and Royce is like and you know as an emcee supposed to be offended he's You tell me, because I see your face when you said the voice, you said, look. And Royce is like, and you know as an emcee,

he's supposed to be offended. He's like, what? He's like, the last thing I need is help. And as an artist that knows how to rap, he's right, he doesn't need help. It's not that he needs help with no bars or anything like that. It's the stage presence.

It's how you command. It's how you command. It's like I was watching, I don't want to say this guy's name, but I was watching this guy today because I was doing my shit, and all he was doing was going, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who. They were saying nothing,

but his head was going, who, who, who, who, who, who, who. And Kyle was going, ah! And I'm like, yo, look, turn them off. And I turned them off and I put them on mute. And me and my barber, my barber was there. And it had no effect to it. But once you did it, and that's an art to it, too. It's just yelling.

It's like throwing your opponent off. It's the cadence. You know what's funny? But am I accurate in that? Eminem just dropped the album. OK, go ahead. Eminem just dropped the album. And the way he's rapping on the album is a battle rap format

Where he he starts off calm. Yeah, he starts off calm He builds a tempo and then by the end of the the third verse or the second verse he's bodying it He's just going crazy in a way. That's a battle rap format Mmm, cuz it's one round two round and that last round right but just the the verse of it is like okay you start off calm or however you want to start but eventually there's a tempo to it that has to pick up or the fans would be like uh cool when you flip the coin do you always want to go first or you want to you want to see what your point is it depends there's a strategy to it.

If you know it's somebody that's going to bring up something about you, and you want to kind of like cancel out what he's saying, you want to go first. So you can address it first. So when they say what they say, it's like, he already spoke about that. You know what I mean? One thing about you, bro, I ain't going to lie. So I researched you, and then I said, you know what? Let me research these other niggas. And I ain't going to lie.

Out of 300 battles. You watched 300 battles? No, I'm not. You know what I'm exaggerating. He's playing a battle right now. You know what I'm exaggerating. But I'm just saying, out of a whole bunch, like, if it was 300, 287 people brought up your name in a battle. They'll be like, because Mav.

You was a friend with Mav. And then you said something else with Mav. And I'm like, damn. You're actually a metaphor. Yeah, in a way. Like Mav. How did you make your mark on the game? It's the history.

It's the history of it. When I started, I started in the street corners Just like everybody else Lobbies Smoking people I remember I saw Buckshot One day in my hood

He used to mess with my man Kev O-Head On Union and Utica So I'm a kid Like 14 years old Like early Black Moon era That Buckshot I ride up on him on my bike.

I'm like, yo, Buckshot. He's like, yo, what's up? I was like, yo, who the illest rapper in Crown Heights? He's like, I don't know, shortiest man rappers out here. I was like, me, nigga. And I rolled off on my bike. So I always had that competitive shit in me, you know what I'm saying? So I would battle dudes two at a time, all types of shit. But as the battle rap shit changed, where Smack introduced battles, no beat, on the street corner, Murder Mook, J Mills.

You know, just Mook going in, talking about his girl, talking about Votto. Your man Votto looked like he got hit by a tie hole. You know what I mean? He was going crazy on her. After that era, it was Fight Club. Fight Club took over battles for a while. Wasn't that Riggs and them

was doing that? Was Riggs involved? Riggs Morales and them from Shady? I'm not sure what that was. I think Riggs was involved in some capacity. I don't recall,

but everybody remembers International P. Yeah. Holy damn! Everybody remember him. So that took it to MTV. And that kind of made it show this whole shit.

Smack was quiet at the time. He was mad at all y'all niggas for going to MTV. Nah, I wasn't really fucking with the Fight Club then. I had battles. Not yet? Not yet. We're going to get there. So boom. So I go to

do the Fight Club. I battle I go to do the fight club. I battle Sirius Jones for the first time. I lost that battle. It was tight. Went home, came back. Stay right there. Stay right there. Now, this is when the judges made it?

The judges. Okay. Right. So, came back, started smoking dudes. After that, grind time emerged. Grind time was like the... That's the one that went back and did the... Okay. It was grind time emerged grind time was like the that's the one that wrecked went back and did the okay right right so grind time that came up and i you know everybody was flying to cali or coming to new york doing these battles it was going coming down to miami sometimes

solomon battle um enes in miami it was a big deal. Me and T-Rex, when I battled on the Smack DVD, I was supposed to battle Rex when I battled Dose. Anybody remember that? Yeah, yeah. That was in Philly, correct? No, that wasn't in Philly.

That was in Harlem. That was in Harlem? That was in Harlem. That was a PAL in Harlem. So Dose is not from Philly? He is from Philly. Oh, okay. He came down with Cicero.

Okay, all right, cool. I'm thinking y'all went to Philly. Okay. Nah Philly He came down with Cicero Okay alright cool I'm thinking y'all went to Philly Okay Nah I was supposed to battle T-Rex I got there It was like T-Rex don't wanna battle So

Hold on for years I've defended you And I've defended you behind your back So I have to defend you Thank you Appreciate it He clearly was putting his head Pause

I don't know Dose I don't want him to feel like I'm in front of your face And I'm taking your thing It's all love but Like after I heard your Vlad TV explanation Big up to Vlad You know those I don't want him to feel like I'm in front your face not saying love but like after your head heard your Vlad TV explanation big up to Vlad you know I mean I haven't been up there me and him haven't spoken years but it's okay um like I had to reiterate I had to want to go back there and watch that because I remembered me agreeing with you like not because you're my

friend but it was just like at the time it was like give me my space like right I'm saying the other thing is to saying some harsh shit about each other. The least you could do is not spit on each other and not put your hat frames on each other. He gave me the pippin. Okay. He put it in my joint there. Right, right. I was like, yo, this is crazy.

So you didn't know him prior to that? No, I didn't know him. Okay, okay. So I met him that day. And I spoke to him before the battle. I was like, yo, I saw what just happened because they had a battle before that. In Philly, it was just a thing where they were just getting each other face and that that looked crazy Yeah, so this dude was in his other dudes face so much

He backed them down to the edge of the stage like homeboy was by the stairs They make no sense to me right so me and my man's just standing on the side like nah, we're not doing that Right, so I spoke to do so I was like this is a good look more smack or whatever side like, nah, we not doing that. So I spoke to Dose, I was like, this is a good look, we want smack or whatever. We not going to do that. Started rapping, I rapped, it was fine. He started rapping, all of a sudden, crazy. And he almost kept walking towards you.

Yeah, he kept walking, yeah. He walked towards you, yeah. Right, so that happened. Then the grind time thing emerged. Me and T-Rex was going back and forth because I called out T-Rex that day when I said, I was supposed to battle T-Rex,

but he was scared. Now, we in Harlem. Everybody went crazy. Ah, yo, Rex. He talking crazy. He talking crazy, Rex. Rex ain't battling me. I ended up battling Dose.

That shit happened. We tore up the gymnasium. Right um you saw people sliding across the floor all types of crazy and um that's that's kind of where battle rap kind of took a turn you turned it yeah a little bit i i i played a part now now let's Because I seen, like, the blogs after that where you was, like, you was apologetic. You was like, you know what? I'd probably still do it again if he violated, but I didn't want to bring that to battle. I didn't want that black eye. I called Smack the next day, like, yo, my fault, bro.

He was like, nah, son. I spoke to Nick. I'm putting it out, son. I'm like, out son. Right, right. I'm like oh shit. At this time, this is your first like, your first scrape in battle rap because that was the first scrape. It was like alright cool

people was like, now they getting scared to book you or this didn't happen yet? No there was no bookings. We was doing all this for free. Everything was happening for free. Every smack battle you saw T-Rex on Casa All that was free Wasn't nobody getting paid

I did see Arsenal say something like that Where was you at when we was doing this shit for the barbershop For nothing For free for nothing I thought that was exaggerated No no no No money It was all about the love back then

It was a love and a respect Everybody's mindset back then was It was a love and a respect. Everybody's mindset back then was, I rap, but I don't got a hundred thousand to put into my project or my promotion. How can I get a name? Battle rap. Yeah, that's the way. Wow.

If you remember back then, battle rappers was getting deals. Yeah. Jin got a deal off a battle rapper. My song got a deal off a battle rapper. I'm not trying.. Battle rapping. I'm going to move this over here. It's okay. Right. So that was the thing. Like, yo, we're going to fight club.

We're going to do this. We're going to do that. We're trying to get a music deal, but this is the way that we build our name up. So that happened. Then after grind time kind of started fading, Smack decided, yo, I see you and T-Rex going back and forth. We was going back and forth for like a year on Worldstar. Right.

Because Rex was like, yo, I don't know why you called me out. Ain't nobody tell me I'm supposed to battle you. Meanwhile, Beasley, no, he told me, yo, you're battling T-Rex. I show up. He tells T-Rex, don't battle him. He clipped up. Clipped up meaning you? Clipped up meaning I was ready for T-Rex that day.

And Beasley was basically on T-Rex's side, you're trying to say? I think so. Okay. Because why would you tell me to go? Because that was like the golden child at the time, the autumn boys. So I came through, I ended up battling Dose, that whole fight thing happened. And then that brought a lot of attention to the battles.

After that, me and T-Rex, back and forth, back and forth. I dropped a blog. T-Rex is Dot Mom, correct? Yeah, he's Dot Mom. I dropped a blog with T-Rex, with like, you know them Save the Kids African commercials? I put his picture in the commercial. And then I dropped like a little song after the shit or whatever.

Then he would come back and he'd be with his boys in the gambling spot. And they'd be like, yo, man, where's the mother? You say something foul. We running in your mouth. Then I'd do a blog. You'd be like, yo, I did what you niggas done. So we was going back and forth for a minute. Okay, got it.

Finally, somebody decided I'm going to pay for this to happen. So Swag, shout out to Swag from the West Coast. He put up $5,000 for each of us to battle. And then Smack decided, I'm going to start a whole battle league. Wow. And it started from there. And that's when a lot of battle rappers started getting paid, started getting these checks and going to different areas in the smaller battle leagues.

They didn't know his own lane. There's like five battle leagues in every state in America. How about Drake right now? Drake just started. What did he do? He did the caffeine deal with Smack. And I heard it didn't go too great. Yeah, that's kind of weird.

Can you say that yet, though? Yeah, I mean, he had one event, and no one tuned in. No, no, they tuned in. They tuned in. But the feed was messed up. It wasn't ready for how many people was going to watch. So then maybe you can't. The jury ain't out on that yet.

No, the jury's out. It's fucked up. But everybody got their theories. Everybody got their theories because Drake is Canadian. He's a battle rap fan, though. But he loves battle rap. I saw him out here when Miami Heat won the championship the second time. I'm standing outside.

They closed the doors at Mansion. We trying to figure out how we going to get inside. Drake go like this, math, let's go. No, no. Somebody else tapped me on the shoulder. I'm like, what's up? He's like, yo, you mad, Fafa? I'm like, yeah. He said, yo, I yo, you mad Fafa? I'm like, yeah.

He said, yo, I'm Dwyane Wade, brother. We love you. Come on in. Took me around the block. We went in through the back way. I come up in the VIP. I'm like, oh, so now Lathan over here. LeBron, the whole team.

Everybody, Chris Bosh was on the other side for some reason. Everybody was here. We get where you're going with it. He was just doing his own thing. We get where you're going with it, man. We get where you're going with it. I'm just saying his own thing. We get where you're going with it, man. I don't know why. We get where you're going with it. I'm just saying. Just an observation.

Just an observation. So I get a tap on the shoulder. I turn around. It's Drake. And Drake is like, yo, what's up? What you doing here? Yo, you going crazy this year. Yo, you should battle K-Shon.

I'm like, yo. He was tuned in. He was like, yo, what y'all do on that stage, make what we do look like child's play. And K-Chile's dot mob too, right? I'm trying to make sure. Yeah, he's dot mob too. At that time.

Okay. Are they not dot mob no more? So when Drake said, what y'all do on that stage makes what we do look like child's play, I was like, what? You fuck with it like that? Right. That's something he's about to ask you.

Now, you know when battle rap, and you. That's something, you about to actually use some money. That's a compliment. You know when battle rap, and you know I'm all over the place, right? But you know when battle rap kind of made me say like, this might be a little bit iller than rap right now, is when the tag teams.

When the tag teams started going and they started making it one verse. Like, you know, usually it would be one verse and then the next person go and then that's version there but when it was one bar from two different dudes and they were talking yeah and I could just look at that shit I was like holy shit cuz I remember um seeing k shine battle DNA and did I remember them

actually getting on the same team together the two and tools and I was running wild like yo how is that how how is you can battle somebody and then like because because it's really not personal it to a certain extent we all want to be professional right um if if nobody ain't never fight or nothing like that like why not if you team up you can get a bag why not right you know what I mean? It's just like rap. Like, nor have you decided to do an album with Nas tomorrow. You know what I mean? Y'all put together, y'all work together, and y'all make the money.

That's the same thing with battle rap. The 2 and 2's though, they... 2 and 2's is crazy. They turnt up. I seen the girl. It was one girl from Brooklyn and one girl from New Orleans. I don't know their names. Jazz and official.

Shout out to jazz and official. Oh, they had on the War Report camouflage on. I was just rooting for their ass. It was just great because I like, I like I say as a battle rap fan, I miss so much. That's why your podcast is so important.

It's because a lot of times I don't watch, contrary to popular belief, a lot of times I don't watch the games. popular belief, a lot of times I don't watch the games. A lot of times I watch first take. I watch Undisputed. I watch Shannon Sharp. I watch Skip Bayless. I watch Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman.

Facts. You know what I'm saying? And then I say, oh, okay, because I only watched first half of the game or the second half of the game, but now I know what happened in the second half of the game and I'm fully informed that's what your

podcast does make some noise for that god damn it and I love that you had a female a part of it what made you do that what was that a part of it at first I think I see a couple of episodes she wasn't right no you're gonna sit here act like he ain't tell me. Okay. Yo, you need to keep going on the show. We doing an interview right now. Keep going on the show. What's her name, Miss Faye? Yeah, yeah. Keep going on the show.

I'll give you props for that, boy. I'll give you props for that. You're a prop for that. No, because you need girls. You need girls. It was in my mind, but you was like, nah, nah, nah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep going on the show.

What made you put it? Because the female rap, the female rap thing is big now. Yeah. Like, it's big. But we all slept on it. I mean, when I'm saying we, I'm talking about the outsiders, not you guys as the insiders. But we all slept on it like the WNBA. Right.

We all was like, the thing about it is, like the WNBA, they can dunk though. I mean, these females, they talking about pulling out blocks. Nah, they don't. And smacking your baby father. This is crazy, man. But what made you want to incorporate females as well? Female battle rap, Queen of the Ring, they've been around for a long time. They haven't gotten the same type of steam as what we do because there's a lot of controversy as what we do, because, you know, there's a lot of controversy

around what we do. There's all types of exposure going on. Just this past weekend, this dude came home, and this was his comeback battle, and the dude he's battling pulls out his paperwork, like, nah, you're not a fish, you snitched on your man. It's crazy. It's crazy.

Right, right, right. But female battle rap, you know, just like hip hop, they kind of sleep on the females until there's that one that's like, and then she opens the gate for everybody else. E-Heart was kind of that one where it was like, she could battle dudes too if she wanted to. But they battling dudes now too. Yeah. I've seen Charlie Clips.

They always battle dudes. He battled battle friends. Yeah. I ain seen Charlie Clips. They always battle dudes. He battles battle friends. I ain't gonna lie. Let me just say something. Because I respect the females a little bit more. Because females, they cut a little deeper when they go. And they diss each other. They crazy.

Yeah, they crazy. Yeah, they cut deep. And when it started, you go to a Queen of the Ring event. It would be battle, fight outside. Battle, fight outside. Battle, fight outside. Battle, fight outside. You talking about the people who just battled will fight outside? Some of the people who just battled, some people in their entourage,

other battle rap chicks that's not battling that night. Like, it would be going down the whole night. I don't understand if a couple of these chicks live. They're like, yo, break it up. Oh, truck almost in a multitude. Has that ever been a problem for you when you're battling? Because, like, again, you guys hit to the juggler. So you're not just battling just, you know, I'm just going to use the painting, for example. You're not battling the painting.

You're battling the painting around it. So you know bars about their friends. Everything. You know everything. Everything. You know what? It's vicious now, bro. It's vicious.

Yeah, before I get into what I was going at, what kind of studying it is when you say you're going to battle a dude? I'm going to tell you how to arrange it. I'm going to tell you the process. This is the process, right? Cool. Look at his face. His face.

You know? He got so happy. Don't give it all away. Cool. Being in it for 10 years, I got history with a lot of people. So I've been around, I've seen certain things. Let me ask you something. Please keep your train of thought. Even when you're hanging with somebody that you

cool with, you still keeping balls on them? It's like the CIA. You gotta protect your secrets. You gotta protect your secrets. Don't get drunk around me. Don't argue with your man. Don't get smacked. I think that's what Pusha T does. I swear smacked. I think that's what Pusha T does. I swear to God.

I think that's what Pusha T does. Pusha T hangs around you and just collects data, information. I swear to God he did to me. Damn, that's crazy. It's crazy that you said that. I'm kidding you not. I'm never bad at Pusha T, by the way. Think of a whole league of Pusha Ts. That's what I'm saying.

Like, everybody is just... But it's deeper than that. The wordplay, the metaphors, the things that we do, the performance, jumping over each other. Because you and Charlie Clips, I've seen him, like, defend you in battles. But if you ever came down to it, you got bars for Clips too? No, we battled. We battled.

After y'all got Clips? The whole angle for our battle was when that situation happened in L.A. Okay. When I went out there and I ended up fighting five dudes. This is disaster. Cliff was with me. Oh, yeah. He didn't fight.

Oh, he said he went out. He didn't fight. Oh. So when we battled, I called him Flip Flops. Because he had on flip flops. He said, yo, I had on slippers. I couldn't fight like that. I was like, what?

Flip flops? So somebody tried to pop on your balls and you got on slippers. You ain't going to do shit now, B. So the whole battle, that was the angle for it. Oh, shit. But we got a lot of history and it's entertaining to see,

especially if you started with it from the beginning, that you understand some of the stories being told on stage. It's still understandable for people that never watched it, but it's like a soap opera for people who saw it unfold. Like the battle between me and Hollow.

If you remember the NYB days when me and Hollow was crew. We was friends, and this, that, and the third, and then the fallout. And then to see the battle, it's like, wow, this is crazy. Because I think someone accused him of hanging with somebody that you had problems with. Yeah, again, there was a lot of, I went on a revenge tour. Okay, what about, what about, what about, and I'm just asking you because you represent Battle Rap. Right. We brought this up the other day.

This is one of the illest rounds I saw in a long time. Where the dude put on the dude's Walmart suit. T-Top, shout out to T-Top, shout out to Roman Niggas. He did what? He put dude's Walmart suit. T-Top. Shout out to T-Top. Shout out to Romney. He did what? He put on his Walmart suit. Now, I thought this was a joke. Like his uniform?

Yeah, I thought it was a joke. It's not a joke. So I went, yes. And I went and I asked. And they said, no, homie really worked at Walmart at the time. And I said, no, that's not fair. No, no, he wasn't working at that time. But he worked. But he not fair. No, no, he wasn't working at that time. But he worked.

But he worked there. Oh, okay. And T-Top found out, rum that he worked at Walmart. He was like, the gun bar king? How is he? What? Okay, all right, cool.

And the third round, he put on the Walmart vest. Yo, my dude, tears is coming out my shit. Like, I was like, yo. He was like, the red beam is from the checkout gun. He said, you're the type of nigga that be checking the receipts when you leave. Oh, shit.

Like, it's so much schemes. Like, when I seen, I think it's K-Shine. He put on, and he killed DNA with the DNA shit. Yeah, yeah, the professor, Professor Shine. That is so much. What about homie that took a shit? I didn't like that. Oh, yeah.

I mean, that's the thing. I mean, but that's the illest shit. That is so much. What about homie that took a shit? I didn't like that. Oh, yeah. I didn't like that. I mean, but that's the illest shit. He attempted. Right. He didn't actually shit. Didn't he try twice, though? Daylight, right? That's the name of Daylight.

Didn't he try twice? Daylight, no. He tried one time, and they pulled him off the stage. It was like... Yeah, they got to stop that. Funny thing. Daylight dressed like Spawn during the total slaughter joint. Okay.

He was supposed to light his cape on fire. But because of the issues I had with his peoples in Cali, some of my people saw his man that was supposed to pass the lighter fluid. He ran out the back door, so he couldn't pass the lighter fluid. It was crazy. Battle rap is just crazy. And when you say the incident was a disaster, that's disaster? Yeah.

And that was in California? That was in California. Okay. Let's get into it. Is this your second fight? This is the second incident? This is the third. Okay.

We've got the second one. What's the second? It's actually the fifth, but on camera, it's the third. Sirius Jones is the fifth, right? No. God damn.

That's sixth? Sirius Jones is like the fourth. Okay, all right, cool. God damn, that's sixth? Serious Jones is like the fourth. Okay, all right, cool. There was Dose. There's some things happening between then. Oh, not on camera? We don't got to talk about it?

Not on camera. We're not going to talk about that. If it's not Google-able, it ain't suitable. Okay. And then the Serious Jones battle happened. Serious Jones happened before Disaster? Yes. I thought Disaster was first.

No, Serious Jones called Disaster and actually kind of egged them on to make that happen. So it's crazy. All right, so Sirius Jones. Okay, let's take it from there. Because you said you made it earlier to your thing. You said you lost the first battle. I lost the first battle.

So 2013, 2012, I lost to Calico. Everybody counted me out. Calico's a Detroit dude? Yeah. It's a million blogs. All math career's over. I went on such a run in 2013. I battled four top tiers in one month, which was unheard of until that time.

Everybody was battling spaced out maybe five, six months. I started taking battles on every league. And especially Mook was taking like six months to a year. Mook takes like six years. Yeah, yeah. That's his thing. How are y'all gauging the wins, though, during the battles? I mean, it's an art.

So there are really no judges. There are judge battles, mean it's an art so they don't do there really no judges they have they are judged battles but there's no judges so you got to be somebody really bad definitively right for their fans to be like nah he lost that because most of the time sometimes they'll even shout out to you know tell you when you in the building and the fans are yelling, 3-0, 3-0, it's over. Yeah, it hurts. Me personally, I don't care about winning on camera. I care about winning in the building no matter where I go.

So that's that. That's that winner talk. So I went on this crazy run where I battled more times than any other battle rapper had ever battled up until that point in one year. And Sirius Jones was like the end of that. Summer Madness 3. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.

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I think he is. He battled Jen, killed her. And it was this one line, he said, some shit, wouldn't you, ain't you, you ain't over there. Ain't there 15 billion people in China, you can't even go platinum over there. I said, oh my God, that hurt him. I was in the building that night.

He smoked it. That hurt it. He smoked them. So what people don't know is that I did a lot of these battles for the bag so I could come out here and find my daughter, who's half Colombian. God bless. And I came out here. I was out here for a long time doing that. That's

another story. It'll be in a movie. That's commendable. Stay tuned. Right. So after not being able to find her, not being able to communicate with her mom to set up where I can see my daughter, I fly back to New York to battle Sirius Jones. I'm not in the right state of mind. I'm angry at life at this point. I get on stage with this guy. He takes like 15 minutes to get to the stage. He was like a pimp or something? Yeah, he was dressed in pimp. He had the whole body paint on the chicks.

He brought out three chicks, topless, with body paint. They were kind of nice. They were. They were kind of nice. They were. They were kind of nice. They distracted the crowd. Was nobody paying attention to rap, son. Great game plan. Nobody wanted to hear no rap, son.

They were like, oh. Because you know, it's a battle rap event. And I'm sorry. There are females at these events. They're the females. They're the females with Reebok classics on. But it's not like going to the club

where the ratio can be... They got on Reebok classics. You know, it's a toss-up on ratio. Listen, listen, listen. I got Capone and Noriega, and Capone and Noriega show, there's some rough women that show up. I'll be honest, I love them, too. Right.

But they're rough. They a little rough behind the edges. But it's usually more guys than girls. Yeah. So a bunch of guys standing up for hours. See, three topless women walk out on stage. They ain't trying to hear no raps. So the battle, so Sirius Jones goes first.

He raps for like eight minutes. The contract say it's supposed to be three, 3, 330. So I'm tight about that. I'm like, yo, y'all not going to tell him like Tom? Yo, Tom, Tom calling Tom on him. And nobody's stopping him. Tom, but you know Tom Tom calling time on him and nobody stopping him Eventually he gets stopped. I Set off my round. I said you got on stage trying to wrap that slick shit I should cock back take it top off like these three crackhead bitches

So as I'm rapping he's's tapping his chicks like, twerk. Bro, I'm looking at the crowd. They're all like. They were the chicks. Nobody's in. No bars at this point. And then he was heckling me during the rounds, saying stuff and all that. And I don't like that.

I don't talk during people's raps unless I really don't like you. And I just went, I lost it for a second. And we had a fight on stage. It is what it is. Now, it was rumored that you guys was going to actually do a one-round battle rap and one-round boxing? Actually, it was supposed to be me and Disaster

that did the boxing match. But we had some complications. The people that were trying to book it Wanted us to go pro so that we might have to wear headgear and we could really get crazy If anybody wants to put up a check for that But pay-per-view wise That would probably do a good million as far as battle rap. Because you and Sirius have yet worked that out? We did. We battled again.

And the funny thing is, after the Sirius Jones battle, I came out here and I saw my daughter after not seeing her for nine years. God bless her. Make some noise for her. We didn't know that. We didn't know that. Naya, I love you. You're not going to watch this, though. But, you know, your moms will see it.

You know what I mean? So we did the battle. Again, the crowd is just standing there like, when y'all going to fight? We just want to see the fight. We didn't fight. At the end of the battle, we shook hands. We went outside. We did a blog, laughed with each other.

And that got the most views out of everything around that situation they were just happy to see okay these guys are cool again yeah and obviously like as a man you had to apologize because of course yeah yeah of course because it really didn't have that much to do with him right it was just where i was at i remember i think you said you was hungry or some shit like i did that to mess with him. It was just where I was at. I remember, I think you said you was hungry or some shit. I did that to mess with him because he did a blog saying, you know, I looked all the way and I did it all. He's a sucker.

I saw that. I was like, what? Alright, cool. I'll make a joke out of this whole shit. I went on Vlad. I was like, yo, I was starving. I ran to McDonald's right after this shit. You know what I mean? I was just messing with him. But battle rap is so,

like you could get lost in the world. That's why I appreciate what you say about, yo, just watch this show on you, because it's really a lot to take in, bro. It's really a lot. It helps me. It helps me because as a person, like I said, to me, I want to say this.

Real rap, that's where it comes from. It comes from that. It comes from me saying I'm better than you and I'm approving. Well, that's the origin. Right now. Right now. Industry is battling. Right now.

And if you're a real artist artists you actually had that you had to have a battle somehow some way some way even if a DJ know DJ I'm sure it's like how many battles have you seen in the studio exactly just from entourage is that somebody you know my man nights oh yeah first time I met DMX um I said this on the podcast, someone kicked his dog and the dog told him. This is how I knew the nigga speaks animal. He speaks animal. He speaks full pit bull. Listen, his dog came in the studio.

That's how you said it, Tony. But you meant the dog for real. No, the dog. Listen, a dog came in the room in Battery Studios. Jungle, ironically, Jungle from Nas. Nas, brother, was like, just get out of here. Kicked the dog. The dog went like this and locked the door.

The dog was like, what? The dog was like, what? The dog was like, what? The dog was like, what? The dog was like, what? The dog Studios, Jungle, ironically, Jungle from Nas, Nas' brother, was like, just get out of here, kicked the door, the dog went like this, and left. And the dog, DMX, the first time I met DMX, he walked in the door and said,

niggas don't like dogs or something? And I was amazed, I was like, wait a minute, that nigga told you something? What did he say? And I'm like, this is before DM, this is before LL. I swear to God, it's the first time I met. And then he came in, and then the beef was going. He's like, oh, niggas rhyme? We were like, oh, OK.

He just, he didn't ask to rhyme. He just started rhyming. He's like, my dog is good? He's like, yeah. He's like,. I was like, holy shit. And I'm momming. And then Moose and May start momming.

And before we know it, it's just like you said. We didn't plan that shit. It was no motherfucking thing. It's a muscle battle. But that's true. DMX will speak to dogs for real. That's what I see. He's the original dog whisperer.

That's my first time. That's the first time I've seen him. That's the first time you met DMX? That's the first time I met DMX. You remember the first time we met? Damn, I don't remember. I get high a lot you met DMX. That's the first time I met you remember first time we met damn I don't remember I get high a lot. Let's go Let's go we were at Mav and how did this happen?

So bees okay, so bees okay in New York City, okay I'm standing on the corner mm-hmm you come walking up who got a bogey. I smell a bogey. That's my bogey. That's right I should love no, I got you. I was like yo, yo right. Goddamn, you should love me. I was like, yo, Norrie, my name I know who you is, nigga. I was like, oh shit. Goddamn, make some noise for me. Nah, but I kid you not, man.

The growth that you have done, the thing about it is you've done exactly what we've done. We sat around and we said it's great media coverage of our culture. Right. But there isn't

there isn't our culture covering our culture. Right. It's not. And I ain't going to lie to you. Like I said, I thought I told Murda Muth and then when i've seen his podcast with no disrespect to when i seen that he didn't have every element of battle rap it couldn't keep

me indulged he had no element because he was king of that like right the thing is you gotta remain king of what you king at here's the funny thing A-Verb, one of the lines that hit the hardest was A-Verb told him, you're not one of us. Who you had on your podcast, not one of us. And everybody went crazy. It worked against him. But then he came on my show, and then he came back for two weeks. So it's cool. It's cool. It's cool. Yo, Mook, you can show up anytime, bro. He's here, man. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Mook was definitely top tier. I felt like he was like Floyd Mayweather at one point. And was he the first person to make sure the bag got up? You know what I'm saying? I think he asked for $50,000 at once or something like that. He was, he's been there everybody asks for it right you never know what somebody's getting though because I hear people in their battles saying oh I got 15,000 but I know otherwise you know what I'm saying but for Moog Moog said he was sitting with um Q-Tip and Q-Tip was like, yo, why you want to come over here

and be just a regular with this when you're the king over here? I agree with you. And he said that's when it kind of hit him like, I'm the king? Okay, give me $20,000. Give me $30,000. Give me $40,000.

So whenever a move touches the stage, it's big money. Everybody pays attention. I agree with Q-Tip. I think a move touches the stage, it's big money. Everybody pays attention. I agree with Q-Tip. I think that most of you guys, and when I say most of you guys, you know, a lot of us,

not just you guys, a lot of us think the grass is greener somewhere else. The thing is, a lot of us will dominate hip-hop and then go try to make movies and be like,

yo, you know what? Sometimes you should stay with hip-hop. You know what I'm saying? A lot of us, and a lot of us are kings hip-hop and then go try to like make movies and be like yo you know what sometimes you should stay with hip-hop you know i'm saying a lot of us and a lot of us are kings in our own right and just always thinks the grass is greener somewhere else you know what i'm saying and the ice is not colder anywhere else neither not only the grass ain't greener the ice ain't colder but but for for the people on the outside we're usually thinking right your grass is green right like joe buttons came on the show and he said, I didn't touch a million dollars until I stopped rapping.

And I was like, what? Throughout that whole time. That's crazy. Joe Bunz was terrible at battle rapping. I didn't like it. I didn't like it. He didn't have the cadence. He had the lyrics, but he didn't have the cadence. No, it's the performance.

The thing about it is the stage presence. The thing is, Joe is such a cocky guy. It's exactly what battle rap is. That's the cockiness. But he was not cocky on that stage. He was telling people to chill out and be quiet. And it was him being confident as a battle rapper on record like the thing about that then let me just say transcend let me tell you about battle rapper gonna say

a half-ass bar and then the crowd go crazy and a battle rapper go let me cook! And you were like, oh my god, he's cooking! And when Joe was like, this is my man, again, Joe's my friend, but when he was like, quiet down. I was like, what? He's supposed to be cooking, nigga! He's supposed to be in the kitchen, nigga, say yo, you know what I'm saying? I'm sorry, I went too far. And you can't really kill a battle rapper

holding a mic like a cigarette anyway. Right. And that was where he lost for us. When you picked up that mic, you're not doing what we do. Yeah, and then remember he put it down and then Aalo picked it up. Flip that mic to your shirt, hands free, let's get it poppin'.

When he picked up that mic, a lot of us was like, nah. So go. But good for him because he's got a great profession after that. Goddamn, goddamn. Big up to Joe. Big up to Joe. That's my man.

Don't you have a battle again, though? My man, don't you have a battle again? And some Gucci. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He living different. You different, bro. He living different.

He got the Pharrell hat on right now, bro. I'm like, whoa. He living different. Pick him up. I'm proud of him, man. Doesn't ever get back into battle rap. That's it. That's it.

You my friend. Now, he's a true MC. True MC. No, he's a true MC. But the thing about it, that's back to me rap. That's it. That's it. You're my friend. He's a true MC. No, he's a true MC, but the thing about it, that's back to me and Mav's point. Right. I think Royce is a true MC.

I think Royce could actually survive, but I think that he does need the guidance of these people. It's a different thing altogether now. I believe that it involves... If you're not living and breathing that, you can't just jump into that. You can't just be nice on the mic

and then I'm going to be a battle rapper. I'll give you a perfect example. KRS-One is one of the illest battle rappers in the world. I would not bet my money on KRS-One against these young guys. I don't know, I think KRS could kind of do something. No, I'm being honest. I don't know, I feel like...

I don't think he got the disrespect in him. I don't think he could jump right into it. No, you're not going to be disrespectful. I got mad love for KRS-One. I feel like KRS-One. I don't think he could jump Any time somebody Yeah, Karis would get smoked. I love him, man. I don't know. I just, I would like to see him. He had a problem with Nelly, man. I would love to see him. I'm not saying him to jump right into it. I feel like if you prepped him, you said, look, in six months from now, this is what you're going to do, Karis. That's what I'm saying.

I feel like he would get, he would take that so serious that he would be ready for it. And you know what? In reality, Royce might be able to sit down and figure it out on his own. I think he could, yeah. But as battle rappers, we don't even do that. Right. There's always somebody that you trust that you're going to perform with,

that you're going to spit your bars to. They're going to be your proofreader. They're going to be the ones like, yo, when you say that, you should turn this way or you should say that. There's always somebody there because you can't really rely on yourself.

You're relying on your perspective. I agree. To agree with 2,000 people in the building. I agree. You know what I'm saying? I agree. So it wasn't no disrespect to Royce when I said that. He took it as that.

No, but you know what? That was he's supposed to. As a real MC, you're supposed to. But then as a person that loved battle rap, you have to go back and look at battle rap and say you know what I might not possess that part of it right you know I think I come up with lyrics I come up with bars but I ain't gonna lie to you I don't think I have what it possessed to really hurt your feelings

like in your face like I don't really think I have that that's why I could never be a real battle rapper I could battle yeah but I couldn't be a real battle rapper because it's like you're out I couldn't be a real battle rapper because It's like you're out like yeah, I think we talk about niggas moms like Your moral compasses, okay me I'm not gonna talk about your dead homies right so I want you to talk about mine Right it might go left right right don't talk about your dead homies Because I don't want you to talk about mine It might go left Don't talk about my family I had a battle with someone

Who said my son's name Almost stopped the battle I walked away for a second Took a breather And I came back I said cool After the battle was done I was like yo take my son's name Out this footage And they was like you'll take my son's name out this footage

And it was like cool. We respect it So for some people you got depends on your moral compass you a snitch Man, I'm having a field day with you If you you did some grimy shit to your man, or you beat women or whatever I might have a field day with you Yeah, I'm not to have a field day with you. Do y'all hire private detectives or something? How the fuck do y'all be knowing everything? You know what? We started off going through the process.

So I'll get a call one day. Yo, what's up? This is Beasley or this is ARP or this is Organic. I want you to battle this guy. I'm like, okay, what's the bag? Okay, it's such and such, such and such. All right, cool. Hang up the phone. Think about it.

What do I know about this dude? Is he hot enough? All right, cool. All right, cool. I'm signing the contract. I'm sending it back. This is like boxing. You know what you're getting.

There ain't no prize pot. You're not, yeah. We get contracts all that. And you call bitches that he used to fuck with? No. How does this happen? They call him. Pot you're not yet. We get contracts or you call bitches that he's the fuck what no They call it what's good. Yeah Right, so it's like boxing, you know what you're getting paid, right? You know, I mean you come up with your own stipulations if I don't want you to talk about a certain thing

I'll either call a battler or I have to put in the contract if I want you to touch me I have to put in the contract doesn't guarantee it's not gonna happen right but you know what's in the contract right so I know hey button in boxes not in the contract right but headbutt right prevent it going crazy right like I'm sure Cassidy and Arsenal there was no touching but you saw awesome grab a Cassidy like that. You know what I mean? All right, so cool. Once that flyer goes up that this battle is happening,

whoever doesn't like this person is going to reach out to you. Family members that feel slighted is going to reach out to you. Baby mothers that can't stand that motherfucker is going to reach out to you. People he snitched on is going to reach out to you baby mothers that can't stand that motherfucker People he snitched on is gonna reach out to you people they did bad business with is gonna reach out to you You know, it's credible information. You have to sort through it because sometimes it could be a setup Yeah, like on K Sean and DNA battle a verb and hitmanVerb has a video where he's getting chased in a parking lot by somebody, but he had a cast on his arm, on his leg. Something was broken, so he wasn't trying

to fight. He was trying to get away from the person. Somebody hit up K-Sean and said, yo, I'm the person that chased him. Bring me to the battle. K-Sean brings this guy to the battle. He introduces him. the dude laughs and walks over

the A-verb side and they all laugh at Kayshaun oh definitely didn't see that one so then DNA had to freestyle like yo Kayshaun

tried to tell you I didn't believe that motherfucker from day one yo this shit is crazy shit is crazy wow well we don't know

if your art show was about celebrating people's lives. And you know what? You are life. We need to celebrate. You are doing amazing things. Thank you, bro.

We respect you. And we're going to keep saluting you. Salute. Goddamn. Salute. This is when it starts getting hot. We had Lamar Odom taking some shots, boy. Trust me.

Some is an understatement, man. Lamar Odom has been shots, boy. Trust me. Some is an understatement, man. Lamar Odom has been a bar in battle rap many times. He has been involved, you said? Yeah. The bad thing about battle rap is sometimes we cross the line. Yes, it does. Sometimes. I think all the time we cross the line.

Like people that die, like the young lady that died in Chicago in the freezer. Wow. She was used in a bar, and that drove people in Chicago wild. Right. So the battle rapper had to do a video apologizing to everybody, like, I'm sorry. You know, sometimes we get too thirsty for a bar. Not like Jesse Smollett. I mean, it's like the comedy world where sometimes, you know,

it's too soon. Sometimes the joke is too soon. Too soon, right. Or it just shouldn't be made. Right. Like, rest in peace Kobe Bryant. Right, yeah, that's not a bar. I had to put the tweet out.

I was like, I don't want to hear no Kobe, the chopper down and the chopper this. I don't want to hear none of those bars ever. Leave that alone. And everybody kind of retweeted and agreed. But I'm sure there's going to be somebody who's going to say a Kobe bar. That's the little issue with that. Is there any time you ever felt like you went too far,

and you looked at your shit and was like, damn. Let me see. Too far? Or... Nah. They deserve that shit. Whoever it was, they deserve that shit. They deserve that shit.

I say, um, if I ever went too far, it was the battles that turned into fights. That was too far. The battles turned into fights. That was too far. The battles that turned into fights. So, Sirius Jones, those guys, yeah. That disaster was like the first time I felt like he was trying to math hop for you. Yeah, yeah.

Is that accurate to a certain extent? It's accurate, but then when his peoples got involved, it wasn't a math office situation no more. Because he's from Toronto, correct? No, he's from Cali. Oh, he's from Cali. Oh, I've got to see. He's a Lebanese battle rapper from California.

Wow. And he hangs out with Grape Street Crips. Okay. But shout out to them. They recently reached out tops. Okay. But shout out to them. They recently reached out to me. Okay. Worked some things out. But, yeah, that situation was crazy.

So what was it? This is on his territory? This is on his territory. Okay. And he kind of baited me for it. Okay. He did a lot of blogs saying, Pat, don't want to come to the West Coast.

Right. I'm from Brooklyn. Right, exactly. I'm going. You know what I mean? I went out there. Third round, I really touched his soul. Because when we did the total slaughter battles,

that's when they put a whole bunch of battle rappers in the house. Kind of try to make it a reality type thing in the competition. While we were in that house i remember disaster sitting there saying sometimes he feels like he wants to commit suicide and a lot of us were like bro you're a disaster so that's what i'm sorry y'all really lived in the house together really okay i was only doing my own room okay all right cool everybody else is bunking everybody else is bunking that was a fine print your contract only do with my own room okay so so this you know he was in a distraught situation in his life where he felt like he wasn't making the fame wasn't adding

up to his bank account his fame was way higher than what the money he was making he was really depressed about it and he kind of opened up to us, and he was like, yo, I be feeling like I want to kill myself. And I was like, damn, bro, like, go book some more battles. Do something. So when we battled, I brought that up. Wow. And that third round, if you look at his face during that third round,

it hurt him. I brought up him borrowing socks from Big T. I brought up a whole bunch of shit. And I was like, you know, it's a shame. These are new socks or used socks? It was used? They might have been used. I don't know.

There was somebody else's socks. There was somebody else's socks. Cool, cool, cool. You in a bad state when you got to borrow socks from somebody. You know what I mean? Yeah. But. And you're not in jail.

It's very true. But when I brought that up, I felt like that hurt him a lot. Like in jail, it's good. Okay. You can borrow somebody's socks in jail. It's like, fuck it. I ain't got no one else to do it. Right.

If you're not in jail, it's not an honorable thing. You're in Eminem's house. Jesus, what is going on? Continue. Continue. My bad, disaster. So when I brought that up, I felt like it really hurt him. So for his third round, he was flustered.

He couldn't really get his rhymes together. And he was like, oh, I should just punch you in the face right now. I'm like, do it. Shouldn't have said that. Shouldn't have said that. Shouldn't have said that, that was not a good idea. So he popped off, I was like, okay, all right, cool. And this is when Charlie Clips said he jumped in. He didn't, he never jumped in, bro.

Gotta rhyme when he say he jumped in and held Matt down. No, he didn't. He grabbed my arm at a pivotal point where I was about to delay the death blow down. He grabbed my arm at a pivotal point when I was about to delay the death blowdown. He grabbed my shoulder. I was like, ah, what are you doing, Charlie? Fuck. You know what I mean?

So I'm fighting him, his whole entourage and shit, and, you know, shit just got crazy. But that's to show, like, in battle rap, they want to call it a sport. But like every other sport, sometimes you're on court, emotions get involved, shit happens. Somebody's going to wish them titties out. Somebody's going to jump on the court. Exactly.

Kick the ball. A cat going to run through the field. You know what I mean? Feelings is going to get involved. For sure, yeah. And things happen. It's real shit. So, Nick Cannon put four battle rappers on a record

How did you feel about that? Would you have accepted that call? If Nick Cannon called you and said I got you on Wild N' Out next season You know what's funny? You know what's funny? He did? No

You remember that time I came to the studio And I laid the hook for the Good Belt Gang? Yes, yes, yes That project and I was hanging out Who was in the studio with us? Benzino Benzino met me Years ago In Brooklyn

And I spit a rhyme to him He was like yo you're dope Come to the studio tomorrow Came to the studio met up with him He was thinking about putting me down with the crew. Oh, this is when he was on Eminem's ass? No, this is before. This is right before.

On the cusp. Made men time. On the cusp, right? Okay. So boom. A month later, I get a call. Yo, Mav, come through. Yo, yo, you a lyrical monster.

I want you to take this dude out. I'm like, who? Eminem. He was his hitman. He was his hitman. I was like, let me think about this. Before, I was like, I could bypass the shiny suits if I wanted to right now. Because the shiny suits

Everybody feel like, you want to win? All right. Don't want a shiny suit. Yeah. That's what it was. So I was like, I could bypass. And look like you're an astronaut

because then Missy came and we was astronauts. I was like, damn, they're shiny and astronauts. That's just what it was, bro. Go ahead. My bad.

So I was like, I could bypass that. All right. If I smoke M&M right now, oh, sat down. I wrote like, I could bypass that. If I smoke M&M right now. Sat down, I wrote like 50 bars. Going at Marshall. Going hard. Hangman 3 made the beat.

I show up to the studio, ready, eye of the tiger. Benzino's like, yo, listen to my comeback so yeah come on he played to die another day Debbie joint I was like I hate was in you know me it was like crazy but I was like dang you got his mom's on and that's crazy he was like yo listen to the joint mother man me say I hate it he was like, yo, listen to the joint my other man made. I was like, all right. He was like, yo, I got this group called Uno Dos dissing him in Spanish.

I'm like, what? What the fuck? I'm like, yo, sir, what are you doing? And he's like, what are you doing? I'm going to make a whole mixtape of people dissing him and drop it with the next issue of The Source. I looked at my manager. I looked at my other man.

I was like, yeah, I don't want to be a part of this. I don't want to be a part of this, son. He was like, yo, how you expect them to? How you expect people to treat you like team if you don't act like it? I was like, nah, I'm not buying that. I'm cool. I left that alone. Left it alone.

And then he did it. And I saw what happened how I played out thank you God for giving me the wisdom not to do that sir thank you put on but yeah that was why that was super well yeah I understand well big up Benzino man but that battle rap shit is a different thing. It's different. Because I also watched Voice of Five Nine, and he said that he had a love for actual artists, so T-Greezy. And then T-Greezy, when they made a record for Eminem,

and it put up put a line In the sand like you know to me like yeah like dissing them. Yes, so is that I know like I said I know I'm bouncing around is it like that in battle rap where you like you could sit around and say you know what? I like this certain kid all I just certain guy, but they get in the battle and I'm like so Fuck man like two plus two equals Yeah, sometimes. Fuck math. Because you are a name that people want to say.

And it's a bar. You know what I mean? If they mess up in mathematics, they can say math. I mean, DNA is cool. Okay, but he be using you for a bar? He dissed me before. Get out of here. And I'm like, damn.

I was just at Charlie's house and you was there. Wait, wait, he dissed you in the week y'all was hanging out? I'm trying to scare a crowd. He dissed me around like maybe he was hanging out this was around

some Madness 3 around the Sirius Jones battle. And he just took a shot and I was like what happened? He was like I could solve this problem

I give math thematics. I was like word? He was like word? he's like word? I thought it was cool see but look what I just said

sometimes math to Maddox sounds like it's a bar it's a bar it's a bar but sometimes we'll be cool

and we're just selling the fight but there's always that unknown factor where okay just selling the fight. But there's always that unknown factor where, okay, we selling the fight. But on the day of the fight, what are you showing up with? Who did you talk to? How far are you taking this?

You know what I mean? Like the battle between me and Hollow, when we did the face-off, he was saying a whole bunch of shit. I was like hollow when the fuck did that happen like no no i think i gave you i gave you two ounces back in the days and you ain't give it back i was like what what are you talking about bro like this never happened so who was who was the mediator of your face off um i can't remember her name okay but it was it was a chick it was it's never the same person 24 7 it was it was yeah it was it was intense it was a chick It's never the same person It was like HBO 24-7 It was intense

It was intense It was very intense Is it a mediator? Like you know The person that's Uh oh Like a referee type guy So when we battled

He used that For a bar And why B ain't the first time You fucked with the pack And I was like That's why you said that? That's corny See that's

This is what I'm trying to say that's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to say. Is these bars really trying to hurt you or is it trying to catch you off guard? Or both. Like right now, you still like on guard. I'm still messed up. Why did you say that? Is those bars meant to be true?

Because the thing about it, if I can say 90% of it being true, but that 10%, the punchline not being true. Like, how much of it is wrestling? Yeah, I mean. You don't know, bro. But there is parallels to wrestling that it seems like. All right, so let me put it this way. Okay, Arsenal battle T-Top. Arsenal pulls out footage of.

Now, T-Top, that's the big boy? Yeah. Okay. The Walmart. Okay, okay, okay. He pulls out footage of T-Top's baby moms topping

off another battle rapper. Oh, that's not fair. That's definitely not wrestling right there. Right? That's another kind of wrestling. I want to shoot the nigga. I don't even like him. Right. That's what Walmart is now. How the fuck you get that? You doing this on stage? I don't even like living with my baby moms. Right. But I still feel like this. I don't like this bitch.

But how the fuck you get that? Word. You doing this on stage? And this is real footage. It's real baby moms. So. Right? I can't confirm or deny anything.

Oh, yeah. With their stunt doubles? I can't confirm or deny. And then T-Top brings up, what happened to your man that used to be at all the battles? Oh, he snitched. Now you don't want to be seen in public with him. So it's like, ah, you never know. But these two guys hanging around each other, you think they cool as shit.

Right. Like, okay, it's a cool battle rap friendship and all that shit. The gloves come off. The gloves come off because you never know what to expect. Because like with T-Top and, I mean, that's the Walmart dude you said, right? That's the dude that put on the Walmart vest. Even that battle, I'm going to be honest, I could tell they had friendship. I could tell they were friends.

They were in between smacking each other fives and shit like that. That was the first time. But Tom Rumb had no idea he was about to pull out the Walmart. You know what I'm saying? It's like being in the CIA. You know what I mean? Like me and T-Top, we was cool.

I get up on stage, he brought up Tax Stone. And I'm like, what are you doing? Oh, that's right. I forgot. Yeah, and we had a conversation about that too.

Yeah, I forgot. No, you played a part in a lot of this stuff that's going on, bro. I forgot Yeah We had a conversation About that too I forgot No you You played a part In a lot of this A lot of this stuff That's going on bro I forgot A lot man

Damn this is real shit It's crazy No but no That's crazy That's crazy That's so That See

See this is This is the real shit Like you said See You said What's this CIA CIA

It's like me CIA? CIA. Let me just tell you something. If you ever notice anything that's crazy about the government, they always say CIA. They don't blame it on the FBI because you know who the FBI is. You know who the DEA is. Nobody knows who the CIA is. Nobody knows who the CIA is. So anytime anything fucked up happens in the government, they say CIA.

And that's what it is with battle rap. Do you remember what you told me about that tax zone situation? I told you to chill out. Relax. I told you to relax. I definitely did. I definitely did. Here's the funny thing. The night that the Troy Ave shit happened, my man Five Mikes is opening up for T.I.

That's the same concert. Five Mikes. He be around for T.I. That's the same concert. Five Mikes. He be around T.I. He be in the show and all that. He's from Coney Island. He got teardrops and all that. And I said, I had a battle coming up. So I was like, yo, I'm going to fall back.

I'll get with you later, bro. Right. I didn't go. Right. Troy goes through. Right. He brings Banger. Banger was supposed to be going to a yacht party,

an all-white party. An all-white party, I remember that. And, you know, whatever happened, happened. Right. And Banger's girlfriend is my baby mom's best friend. Wow. So I'm sitting in the crib trying to put together these bars, and I walk into the next room.

My baby mom's on the phone crying and I'm like what happened yo they shot banger we gotta go we gotta go to the city right now I go to the city I get there and I find out everything that happened and I'm like wow this is crazy you know what the shame is about it all, Matt? I apologize for changing the subject a little bit, but still staying on the subject. The thing about it is that is our first actual online crime. And what I mean by that is it all derived from a tweet.

And I'm going to tell you the truth. I'm going to be 1 million percent honest. And Mr. Lee, can the truth. I'm going to be 1 million percent honest. And Mr. Lee, can you pour another shot? I'll be 1 million percent honest. I really didn't believe either side. I really didn't believe it would go there because of what it derived from. It derived from a tweet. And I just recollected Fab and Ray J's tweets.

So that's what I compared it to. I was like, this is going to end up the same way. Because Fab and Ray J kind of like worked their thing out. You know what I'm saying? It was not the same. It was not the same. So again, you know. The thing that really hits me, before I started this podcast,

I had a dream about tax. Wow. And the dream, it was like a warning. Like, you from Brooklyn, he from Brooklyn. There's a certain stigma that comes along with us. If you outside like that, right? Where you're not going to take no shit. You ready for whatever. The dream was kind of telling me don't make the same

mistake don't get so involved in in what you're doing to the point where you're gonna insult somebody and then have to protect yourself or have to be someplace a certain way You think what I'm saying and I feel like that's what happened tax had a very strong voice He could have never beefed with nobody and probably still been successful But but you know what the thing about was was when I called you was the same reason why sometimes I call fat Joe and fat Joe was when I called you was the same reason why sometimes I call fat Joe and fat Joe if He'd have a problem fat Joe black this dude said I'm pussy. I'm like a fat Joe No one in the world that's gonna believe you're pussy right like just let that guy say you pussy And then it was pretty much the same shit. I had to tell you was just like math like you're on document not being pussy

And you saw me at the barclays and I was like, you was like, yo, just leave that alone. Just leave it alone, bro. Just leave it alone.

Because sometimes you got to be the bigger man even when you don't. But that's what makes you be the bigger man even when you won't. Goddamn. And God bless,

God bless, God bless them and God bless everything in the situation. Rest in peace, banger. God situation. Rest in peace, banger. God bless. Rest in peace, banger. But you know what, man?

If you was designed and you was meant for a different cause, and that's why we're here right now. We're here to represent because your transition has been so prolific, and it's been expiring. Like I said, I literally told Murder Moop your show, but not as good as you applied it. Right. Like with the barbershop act. I told you, I got on the phone.

I said, everything about your shit is exactly what I want. Like I want it to be in an everyday format. Right. Because, you know, I'm Puerto Rican. Tomorrow, my hair is going to need to be cut again. So I'm going to go back to the barbershop. Diablo V, my barber's right there. Look at that. He the I'm going to go back to the barber shop. D.I.O.V., my barber's right there. Look at that.

He the craziest nigga here. My barber's the craziest nigga here. Guess what? He got bars. He got bars. He's right there. That's right. So, and I'm telling you, like, what you're doing

and how you're applying it and how you're breaking it down. It's like when you go back to, when you have rappers on there, you have Mook on there, you have Joe Budge, and you go back to certain battles and you do it, it's some of the most remarkable shit I've ever seen because the thing is the same way we do with drink champs. It's like when I ask Nas, how did you make World is Yours? How did you make, it's the same exact thing when you ask a person

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The hollow battle. You battled once. We battled once. But when I say 99.99% of people thought that hollow was gonna drag me somehow This is after hollow beat loaded Lux This is way after that. This is my okay cuz that's what hollow was the man right like after the metal you battle tape rock and then I Believe I'm I was the next battle. Okay, but, because I remember this when Hollow was the man.

Right. Like, Lord of the Lux was that nigga. Like, Lord of the Lux, he was Malcolm X kicking bars. I felt like he had his suits on and shit like that. Yeah, yeah. And then Hollow, like, beat him, and then everybody want Hollow.

But then everyone called Hollow a drug addict. What? We toasting it? That's my friend. Hollow's my friend, too. I was trying to speak to you. But then everyone called hollow a drug addict, but We got a mutual friend um Matic told me he was What's up with y'all? Salud, salute, salute. Salud, salute. Salud, man. Salud, back there. Yeah! I felt like my shot was big pause. Was deeper than both of y'alls right now. Yeah, it was a little heavier. It was a little heavier. What's your favorite battle you're not involved in?

Favorite battle I'm not involved in? That's a great question. To this day, I gotta give it up to the classic, Loaded Lux and Calico. That was just the battle that the whole world was watching. You know what I mean? Like, I had a great third round with T-Rex that was like, oh, six million views in two days.

Cool. But that Loaded luck shit became like the Bible to a lot of people right it became like I thought it would say little Lux and murder mook nah nah which one the second one the second one when it was all the height Lux got smoked yeah I thought that I'm. I'm sorry. Ah, he got 30, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't like 30s. I forgot that expression. 30?

No, 30. I don't know what that means. Three-oh. Oh, 30. 30. Oh, I did not know. He got 30. 30.

He got 30. Okay, well, well. I don't know who won the coin toss, but if he won the coin toss on that, then yeah, he got 40. How about when Mook battled I and Solomon, right? Mm-hmm. I felt like Mook

hit him with some shit he name dropped me in that too like yeah I'm outside of looking at right but when he broke up

his bitches and saying the problems that Iron Solomon was having with his bitches you mean the one ball yeah that was crazy he said he had one ball bitches. You mean the one ball? Yeah, that was crazy.

He said he had one ball. He revealed that he had one ball. Okay. He himself revealed it. Y'all sitting here like that's normal shit. That's not normal shit. The motherfucker has one ball. I'm talking about one ball down here. He has one ball.

I got two and a half. In case y'all don't know. In case y'all don't know. That's not normal. That's not normal either, but that. In case y'all want to know. We know what I did. We know what I did. I don't know what we did, but that's cojones, baby. Boom bop. High five, baby.

High five. Now that's gross. You have a gross thing. You need to check it out. You know what's funny? I didn't know how serious that was until I got Solomon on the show. Okay. And I asked him about it.

Okay. Tell me. And his response was not, oh, that's some bullshit. It was more like, yeah, it's funny how things get out there. Listen, Pop. I was like, do you really got one bullshit? First of all, I only see about 12 minutes when you had them all, right? But I also saw that part where he said, he was like, and he didn't definitively say,

you know, that was some battle rap shit. You're supposed to just clear the slate. Clean it like, and he didn't definitively say, you know, that was some battle rap shit. Like, he was supposed to immediately say. You're supposed to just clear the slate. Clean it like, nah, nah. He didn't say it. So it was like, damn, I'm sitting there now for the rest of the interview like. This nigga got one ball. He got one ball.

Yo, but what are y'all. I know I asked this earlier with the private investigator. But how do, like, Jesus. Yo, but what are y'all... I know I asked this earlier with the private investigator, but how the... Like, Jesus. Like, who the fuck is going to come and tell you, listen, I sucked his one ball? Like, because... Yeah, that did...

Because there's only one way to know you got one ball, right? Someone had to be down there. Moot somehow met a female who dated him. Right, right, right. And let him know. But how does he even confirm that information? That's a good question. But as a testament to what battle rap is...

No pun allowed, testament. Bars. Bars. Solomon coming back, Charlie Clips tried to do the same thing. Didn't work. Oh, I didn't. He tried to talk about the one ball thing. Oh, the one ball. It didn't work.

It didn't work. But like, battle rap, you leave it, you're supposed to leave it all on the stage. And that's what we do. We walk out there and it's like, you're going to say what you're going to say. I'm going to say what you're gonna say i'm gonna say what i'm gonna say in my imagination for the past two months i've been imagining you saying the worst shit in the world to me you're ready for it and i just thought up what can beat that so go ahead let's go like there's battle right um i see one dude like he he battled charlie clips and all he was talking about was ice cream and cake. He kept calling Charlie Clips a fat nigga.

Right. And he just kept saying, you know, the ice cream is going to— That's a friendly battle. The ice cream and the cones. That's a friendly battle. And then he was like, all this crazy shit. Like, that's like—what the fuck? Wait, wait, wait, wait. We kind of got away from something.

Okay, I don't want to get away. Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon. The Nick Cannon situation. Let's bring him back. He called you to get this, them, and them? Two? No, he didn't.

He didn't. And if he did, I would have declined. Okay. I would have declined. But from a battle rap standpoint, me and Moot, Moot came on an episode around the time that that that shit dropped and I think hitman holler

Yo, hitman highlight me man. You know, we cool bro Like we was just you know, we was just joking bro. Like that's the dark-skinned nigga, right? Yeah But we went off on that we was like that's a misrepresentation of what we do. Oh, you're talking about the... That diss record. That diss record was not... No, bro. No.

They should have ghost wrote for him. They should have ghost wrote for him. Not even ghost wrote for him, but like, we are the battle rappers. The same way that Benzino kind of introduced it to me. Like, yo, you're a lyrical killer. Right. Come kill this guy. And I wrote 50 bars That's what their situation should have been

Now Eminem loves battle rap Just the fact that he shouted out That's where he comes from He must have heard that record And was like what the fuck I watch you guys This is what you come up with And we were disappointed too so at

some point during the show I ended up like talking into the trash can to to him like y'all that's that's ain't it it got crazy but we wasn't feeling that okay we wasn't feeling that no regular niggas wasn't feeling it neither right because we felt like I mean Nick at the end of the day the only thing Nick is my man I really already like Nick right to of the day, the only thing, Nick is my man. I really like Nick, to tell you the truth. But the only thing that's taking it personal is you. Right. Like, I don't think Eminem is taking it personal.

And I didn't like the fact that my peers are riding for your baby moms. You feel what I'm saying? That's hard. Like, they're not riding for like, okay, let's get him. The whole reason is behind something he probably said about your baby bombs. That's very true. So like, nah, I wasn't feeling that. I wasn't feeling that at all.

Very true. His baby bombs is Mariah Carey. Right. And I agree with you as far as the vest. He should not wear the vest. He should not wear the vest. He should not wear the vest. No, no, no. It's not that serious.

No one really wants to be with you, Nick. They gotta relax. They gotta relax. We love you, Nick. We love you, Nick. We love you, bro. We love you, bro.

We love you, Nick. My boy and I was wonderful. I love that shit. Now, what's the... Let's just finish up the tiger, but I'll do some little Wayne shit. I'm taking a peek at you for that. Okay.

All right, cool. So what is the criticism you have received of doing the podcast? Recently, I did an interview with T-Rex. T-Rex revealed that I did a battle in Vegas on Smack he revealed that the guys

from Cali I had beef with Beasley knew a month ahead that they was going to be there and he said nothing to me wow so when I heard this on the show

this is the people or this is other people? It's like somebody sitting across from you and saying, yeah, rest in peace, Prodigy said this about you in the book. And you'll find it out for the first time when a camera's on you. And who's telling this to you again? T-Rex. T-Rex, okay. Because T-Rex, he has an association with those people.

So I found this out on a show. On your show. And I kind of got emotional for a second, and I lashed out about a situation that me and Beasley had. And I edited it. I edited out the footage because I don't want to be messy. The biggest backlash was, why did you edit it? and I edited it. I edited out the footage because I don't want to be messy. Right. The biggest backlash was why did you edit it?

Why did you not say how you felt? I don't think, I don't know if you guys ever had a show where you said something and you felt like, you know what? I probably shouldn't have said that.

I've had a couple. Take that out. I've left them, but I had a couple. You that out. Take that out. I've left them, but I had a couple. You left it. You left it. You know why I left it, man? Why?

Please remember everything you're saying. Please, because I don't want me to feel like I'm cutting it off. But the thing is, it would be unfair to Floyd Mayweather. It would be unfair to Lil Wayne if I added it. Now, if it's something irresponsible, something about a person's children or something like that, or something where I just outright, like, just did something wrong, or the situation was wrong, then I feel responsible to edit that. Right.

But if it's just bullshit and we're just talking, the thing about it is... It wasn't bullshit, though. Okay, then... That was the problem. If it was something that could hurt somebody... Yes. All right, then I respect that. And. If it was something that could hurt somebody... Yes. All right, then I respect that. And I knew it would be interpreted in a certain way.

But what you should do is you should reiterate it in a calm manner. Because you know why? You probably said it in a rage. So that's why sometimes if a person would hit me with the same thing, I'll act like they don't bother me, but I'll take two or three days or four days or maybe even five podcasts to actually wreck to actually you know um I'll say something just like Tyler the Creator I'm sorry um Tyler the Creator six months ago offended me what'd he do he just acted like a dick and he came on

the show and I know no no no he ain't coming to show he's never been on the show and he's not invited. But, you know, in retrospect, because I don't have no beef with him, and I don't have nothing. And he went on his Instagram, said he didn't have no beef with me. But he also said the only records he ever heard is from me and Pharrell. And I know that was a shot, too. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you didn't hear the worry.

I wanted to go in so bad, but it's okay. No, you don't understand. It's okay. Where's my girl at? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah, that's what he said. He said that. Okay, my shot glass? Okay, shit.

All right, cool. Oh, we getting more shots? Yeah, yeah. Just do a little bit more. Put a little bit of Tiger in each one and a little bit of Bombay. Let me tell you something. Let's do the Bombay. But let me finish, right?

So, goddamn, I'm looking good? I'm looking good. So, what was I saying? So what I'm trying to say is when Tyler offended me, what it was was I said it on the same podcast I shouted you out on, Adam 22. Okay. No jumper. No jumper. Shout out to Adam. When I seen Tyler,

I just, you know, I just naturally wanted to, um... You know, I was like, yo, let me take a flick. He had like a dick, whatever, whatever, whatever. Moving on, moving on. Right.

What it was, was I... When I actually brung up the actual offensive, oh, you chicken, Columbia White, it was six months later. So most people would say, that was six months ago. That was like, yeah. Like, why chicken. Columbia White. It was six months later. So most people would say, that was six months ago.

That was like, yeah. Like, why would you even do that? And what I was saying was, I was bringing up a thing of why I don't extend my hand to new artists sometimes. Sometimes when I extend my hand to new artists, like,

I don't... There's a cockiness. I don't... No, no, no. On their behalf. Right. Sometimes on their behalf. Right. Sometimes on their behalf.

Right. The thing about it is I want to run artist development. I really want to help. Like yo, man, you know how many times I called you and said, don't do that, man. But I don't get nothing out of that. You know what I get out of that? It's this. It's just us being real people with each other.

I was going to say real niggas, but fuck niggas. Real people with each other. And I want to spread that. So sometimes when I see a young artist and I say to them, yo, homie, and they look at me like,

and that's the reason why I knew I had to keep getting money. Because, because I realized if I wasn't getting as much money as these little motherfuckers,

they wouldn't even look my way. Wait. Like, I had to pull up in the Maybach, too. I had to pull up in the Maybach, too. I had to pull up in, what the fuck, they driving in, too. Unfortunately, that's what it is.

They won't even listen to me. But... No, I want to tell you something. Yes, please. Let's say the shot first or after the shot? No. When N-O-R-E drops.

These niggas don't know that, man. Let's do this. This is bomb. This is bomb boo. How the fuck you pronounce little wayne i don't know about the crime level in in everybody else's life but in my life solomon god damn my girl no it's a world of difference right different shots whenever yo you know nori type of stay real truck i Different shots. Whenever. Yo, you know Nori, type of nigga stay real truck.

I ain't the type to fight a nigga, just blaze you up. What the fuck? All your niggas want to say what, what? All your halfway thugs like your halfway butt. If you ain't with Busta Bustas, shut the fuck up. Niggas are snakes. In other words, just like Jicks. And yo, I sell raps.

Used to sell crack on crates. Yo, son! Good, good. Son! Son! Son, you ever seen a Queensflip joints when he in the car? Yeah.

That he's wildin'? Yeah, I do. I do that to my girls, son. I'm wildin' on when that verse is playin', son. Big up to Queensflip. I've seen, it's a lot of classic shit, Queensflip. I want to big up to all podcasts because,

Yeah. I want to start it off with bigging up your podcast again. Appreciate it. Because if I could big up you up behind your back, and if that's like, if I talk behind you,

behind your back, I should be able to talk behind you in front of your face. So if I can talk behind you, behind your back, whether it's good or bad, I want to talk behind you in your face.

Right. And I got to say, I will reiterate, I really to talk behind you in your face. That's what family does. I will reiterate, I really appreciate me being able to take 45 minutes to an hour tour, and I'll break your shit up, because some of your shit is three hours, some of your shit is an hour 28, some of your shit is

whatever. Just like us, and I really would sit there and I'd be like, 45 minutes, I would press pause, go and do whatever I got to do, walk the fuck out, press pause again, and just do it. I really want to Go in do whatever I gotta do Walk the fuck out press pause again And just like do it So I really want to big you up I really want to say what you're doing is a phenomenal job

It's covering your portion of hip hop And you're doing it so well Well you know what you told me years ago Please tell me what I told you I know I say some fly shit I'm on the phone with Noy like, Noy, what can I do, man? Like, I'm going to break through this.

He was like, in order, and it might not make sense to y'all, in order for Math Hoffa to beat Math Hoffa, he has to do something bigger than Math Hoffa. Damn, I said that? You said that to me.

Holy shit, I'm the orca roll. I'm the orca roll. Because I mean that right now. I was like, I swear to God, I'm going to say the same shit to him right now. I was stuck. Like a young Jedi talking to Yoda like, what's bigger than math? You figured it out. Something for the culture.

You figured it out. Something not about me. Yep. Something about giving information to the people that's coming up and the people that's already been here. Singing their praises. Something that everybody is going to appreciate. It's how you get to heaven. It's bigger than me.

Not just making it about me. Yep. And that's what you did. It's how you get to heaven. Let me just tell you something. It's crazy. You said that before you made this podcast. Listen, you get to heaven. Let me just tell you something. It's crazy. You said that before you made this podcast. Listen, you get to heaven

by doing something. This is a four-year anniversary this month. Dude, this is a four-year anniversary for you to get to heaven by doing something for people who could never do something for you.

And that's what you're doing with the podcast. And I'm just being honest. I'm going to reiterate what I said because that's what you're doing. You're doing something for people that...

There's this... When... A couple of battles I went to. I haven't been to a lot, right? Because I... Just like fights. I don't like going to fights. I like to watch the fights on pay-per-view

because I like the pause button. Because I'm a foul nigga. I take a lot of pee-pees. Like I'm about to take a pee-pee right now. So what I'm trying to say is... What the fuck was I trying to say? I was so into that. What was I saying?

That last shot got you. You don't like going to the actual battle. I know, before that. Oh, man, you lost me at that point. So bigger than you. That's what I'm trying to say. Bigger than you, yeah. Bigger than you.

So the thing about it is, the way, the coverage of battle rap, because battle rap is a long fucking process yeah it is right y'all niggas be like two minute rounds that should be 17 it's a whole nother world like nigga what type of two minutes are y'all talking about my nigga but you know here's the funny part battle rap and hip-hop it's hand in hand yeah it is and one of one of my points that i try to push with the podcast is like, there's no separation. It's hip-hop, battle rap, same thing. Absolutely.

You go to the Philippines, the biggest artists in the Philippines battle. There's 10,000 people in attendance. The biggest artists in Russia battle. In Peru, right Boris? In Peru too, we went to Peru. Does he wrestle after he battles? 10,000 people in attendance The biggest artists in Russia Battled in Peru right boys and her to win with group and they're very aggressive after he battle look we started it

We started it We started battle rap hip-hop Yeah, their battles get like 30 million views and They got it from us So another point that I want to make with the podcast is like I have somebody like a Joe Buttons Royce the five nine it's no difference you probably been in the studio let me tell you something Eminem will come I listen Eminem will come I'm being honest that's like that's like that's like my dream guest, bro. Let me tell you something.

I'm going to be honest with you. Eminem, I can see Eminem coming to your podcast prior to us because we still smoke, we still drink, and I can see the drink, how y'all drink? We drink. We drink a lot. Y'all drink with a clear cup

and y'all stay to the point. See, we want to get fucked up. No, Royce was on before the Royce interview started. I was like, yo, you got a problem with somebody drinking in front of you? No, he don't care. He was like, nah, I've been on drink tips. Like now. He said, no, you don't give a fuck.

You can go drink your booze. At this time, to tell you the truth, ironically, I didn't drink with Royce. You don't remember? Oh, yeah, you don't give a fuck. You don't drink. At this time, to tell you the truth, ironically, I didn't drink. Or voice. You don't remember? Oh, yeah, you didn't drink. Because you looked confused. No, no, no. I didn't know what you were talking about.

I didn't drink. I always feel like that's helping people. That's huge. I don't feel like it's helping people. You don't think it's helping? No, I don't. That they don't drink? Yes.

Everybody has their individual problem. Right, right. You know what, Matt? You're right. It wasn't for him that day. It was for me that day. I was already on it. You mean him not drinking? Yes. No, no, no. Excuse me. Everybody has their individual problem. Right, right. You did what I'm saying? You know what, man? You're right. It wasn't for him that day. It was for me that day. Right. I was already on it.

You mean him not drinking? Yes. Him not drinking. No, I mean, Royce was amazing that he doesn't drink. Right. As a recovering addict. But Royce, yeah, he was recovering. Like, recovering alcohol.

The day that we had Royce again on the second day, it was my 10 days being vegetarian, and I just didn't want to... I'm 10 days no meat pause. What? I don't know. Yeah, 10 days, yeah, no meat. You still on it? I flipped up last week.

It was my son's birthday, though. I'm flipping up tonight. I'm just letting you know. All right? Listen, I slipped up on my son's birthday. I'm Benny Hottis. I had with the black brother that was the chef. He said his name was Blackanese.

Blackanese. And he put peanut butter on my shrimp. Weird. It was garlic And it was garlic butter. And I'm not going to lie, I gained four pounds that night. Because, you know, you go for ten days and no meat and then just fish. But, yeah, I feel more alive. That's not bad. I'm pescatarian right now.

He pescatarian for 17 years. 17 years? Yeah. I'm sorry, bro. I'm not going to make it tonight. I'm not going to make it.. I'm not going to make it. You want to go back to chicken? You want to go back to chicken?

No. If I'm a cheat, I'm going to cheat for steak. Steak? Okay. Yes. Okay. Yes. All right, yeah.

See, I don't fuck with red meat at all. At all? At all. Yeah, steak. I used to eat steak. See, I was in DFY, and when I ate steak, this is a famous story, at least in my world, right, in my little circumference, well, I used to eat steak, and I used to go on the bank all the time in a DFY.

So it was this dude, I think his name was, I forget, he was a Muslim brother, but he called me a savage, and I couldn't believe anybody would call me a savage, and I didn't eat pork, because to me, if you eat pork, you're a savage. You're a savage, right. That's it, but when he said savage, I was like, yo, brother, I wanted to snuff him, but I couldn't eat pork because to me, if you eat pork, you're a savage. You're a savage, right. That's it.

But when he said savage, I was like, yo, brother, I wanted to snuff him, but I couldn't because we used to do the jaunt. Right. So I was trying to be nice to him because I was saying in the morning, I'm spitting on this nigga. Right, for calling you a savage. So I'm trying to be kind of nice to him because I'm like, you called me a savage. There's no giving back for that.

And he said to me, he said, brother, I want you to do me one thing. When you get out of here, I want you to not eat beef for those couple of days. So I did. I went and I did eat beef. How'd you feel? I was great

because I was the only black Puerto Rican that can play handball and basketball. There's not niggas in the yard. This is very true. Look, look, that's why y'all laughing because y'all know this is true. There's not niggas in the yard. This is very true. Look, look, that's why y'all laughing because y'all know this is true. There's not niggas in the yard

who do both. You got to make your pick. You got to either play handball or basketball. I was a hand basketball. I could do both. Yeah. And then I didn't have a fight.

And then two days later, they had a cheeseburger that came out on the menu and i ate it and i had a fight and the and the brother as soon as i got to the bing again the brother said i bet you you ate beef again and from that moment forward i have never ate red meat you know what's crazy nice that i i have a cheat night you get get violent. Like, the last time, the last time I had a cheat night, I choked some guy out

with my girl. Wait, wait. And he didn't even, I don't feel like he deserved it. Wait a minute, man. Where are we going? He said some crazy shit. Okay.

And then, you know, I was like, yo, you got to apologize, brother. Okay. And he was like yo you gotta apologize brother okay and he was like okay I'm apologize but then he left he didn't apologize so I saw him talking to the boys I walked past him I stood in the doorway waiting for him to walk down the block following around the corner I choked the shit out of this motherfucker but I feel like it was because I ate. Because, hear me out. I'm so sorry.

In order to be... No, no, no. I have to. I have to. No, no. In order to think like an animal, sometimes you need an animal part of you. But let me just tell you something. I was vegan for six months, and I also hated that. I'm going to just tell you why. That shit gets you angry, too. No.

I know. It gets you angry in between meals. But other than that, I am from New York City. I cannot be a vegan. Let me just tell you something. I don't know if I can do vegan either. Let me just tell you something. Cheese is like a major factor. Let me just tell you something.

When you are vegan, right, you have no reason to be mad. Hear me out. You don't have an animal instinct. You said, I was a vegan in Sobeelive. You said SOBs earlier. Sobeelive was SOBs of out here. I walked through Sobeelive one day, nigga stepped on my foot and I said,

how are you doing, sir? Are you okay what no I swear to God let me just say something let me tell fucked up I was as a vegan let me say you a hippie fucking Gandhi guy which was a vegan first of all be stunned me and the B just walked away. The B didn't even, like, because I was so pure. You don't even kill it. I was so pure.

So here, hit me up. Hit me up. You're talking nonsense. All right. Hit me up, nigga. Hit me up. Hit me up, nigga. You knew me back then.

Yeah. I went to New York City. This is how much vegan was fucking me up. I went to New York. I was out here like six, eight months. I was just out here just eating motherfucking ital. What did the roster say? Ital. Ital. Ital. Ital.

Ital. I'm ital. I'm eating porridge. Everything Irish. I'm eating porridge. Porridge. Porridge. Porridge. With Red Riding Hood and them niggas.

Cornmeal. Red Riding Hood. You know, Red Riding Hood, that's what they had porridge. You don't remember? They blew the house down. Niggas, the three little pigs blew the house down with porridge. With Red Riding Hood?

Yeah. Niggas, beat your goons. Beat your goons. Beat your goons. So I go to New York. Listen, this is how much

vegan had me fucked up, right? I couldn't get mad for nothing. I just couldn't get mad. Like, I just really, like, that was just too jolly. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

So I go in the club. I think it was the China club. Right. And I got all my niggas, all my niggas is in the club waiting for me. So I walk in, I'm like, what's going on?

Why are you so happy Nobody was happy with you Niggas didn't give me a five Niggas didn't give me a big hug I'll be honest with you bro When you change your diet Yeah Niggas be looking at you like What's your problem

And you start to notice like Everybody's mad Yes Why is everybody mad looking at you like what's your problem and you start to notice like everybody is mad why is anybody mad and i feel so joyful i'm like this yo it takes the edge off you it takes i literally had to walk to the bathroom put water on my face and then walk outside be mad like yo what the fuck stop these like I did I would say keep it on vinyl the other day. She was great. All right, so let's talk MCs. MCs. So what MCs you listening to before you start battle rapping?

Before I start battle rapping? Or that could inspire that in you? See, there's a difference in my situation. I'm not listening to rappers like people that rap on beat. Who are you listening to? If I am, I'm listening to Em, somebody from Griselda, Stiles P, The Lox. The minute you say Griselda, you're talking about currently. I'm talking about when you was that kid and you saw Buckshot. Who was I listening to at that time?

Who were you listening to i was listening to the locks cnn um eminem uh who else scarface because a lot of battle rapping is telling a story. Right. Face is one of the best to ever do it. Bow down to him. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what it is. And for me, I'm a tell a story type of dude. I'll find out something about you, put that shit in the story form, and fuck your whole

life up. You know what I mean? Who else? By the way, this is the fastest pisser in the world you know why I hold it so long cuz you know why you take two or three pisses in between Like battle rap would not exist if it wasn't for 90s hip-hop 90s hip-hop was like and Definitely have comedy jam cuz I feel like the funnier you are

Sometimes you can wear the house will be a comedy element to it, no? No, you say Deaf Comedy Jam, I say Uptown Comedy Club. Okay, well, same shit, same thing. But no, you tell a whack snap, you got the gold. You got the gold, yeah. But if you tell a good... All right, let me tell you something. That after 20, almost 20 years of... of analyzation right I mean okay I thought that she was doing Bombay okay um when people analyze the Jay-z and the Nas battle right people always give it to Nas because

Nas ranked and I'll tell you why Nas got dirty dirty. Right. He got dirty. I'm from Brooklyn. Right. My heart broke when I heard Ether. Jumped in the garbage can head first. It was over. It was like, hey, it's what it is, buddy. Ether was so, I'm not just going, I'm going to take facts. Right.

And then I'm going to pair them with whatever funny shit I want to say about you. You 36 in the karate class? Tabo, oh, child, work it out. Like, I used that on Sirius Jones. That's battle rap and shit, right? Facts. You 36 in the karate class?

Tabo, oh, child, work it out. Like... What? That was the shit that raised us. Like, oh, shit. If we were to ever do a documentary on battle rap, there's no way that we could skip past the 90s beefs. Right.

The Snoop Dogs and the CNN. The state props. But isn't the comedic element a part of that as well? It is. Let's say I go to London. I got a battle out there. You say some London fucking one of they shit.

You say bros. And they go crazy. I'm going to say a joke. That's going to lighten up the crowd. Now you're on my side. You. Now you're on my side. You know what I'm saying? So all elements of whatever appeals to people, we use. Right.

So it's not hard for somebody to say, okay, all right, I'm not from this region, but I'm going to go to this region and I'm going to kill this motherfucker who rules this region because I'm going to figure out what the fuck they like over here and then what they like about me over here, and I'm going to couple that shit. You battled in the KDOT before, right? King of the DOT. King of the DOT. I battled past Dave.

That's the Toronto League, right? Drake, third round, just watch Drake's face during my third round. He loses his mind. You feel what I'm saying? Is that harder to perform when you see somebody in the crowd like a Drake or like a Busta? Because Busta's always there too. You want to use that. You want to use that.

The same way that Mook used Busta and said, oh, Loaded Lux wrote a diss about you. You didn't notice. And then he exposed that during the battle, Loaded Lux wrote a diss about you, you didn't know this. And then he exposed that during the battle versus Loaded Lux, and Busta was in attendance. Next thing you know, Busta signs a murder move. It's crazy. You know what I mean? Goddamn, make some noise for that.

It's all strategic. But I feel like there's no difference between battle rap and hip hop. It's all under the same umbrella. I don't even think that should be said. There is no difference. It's all one. It's all the culture.

I agree. I've never looked at it. I just feel like rappers are going to fucking be mad at me. But I feel like battle rappers, they more just do because they have more to lose. Like, per night, they have more to lose. Well, all right, you know what's funny?

Somebody pointed this out to me. It was like, yo, okay, I battle hollow. I wrote about 20 minutes of material. 20 minutes. That's an album that is a whole album especially you break it up put some skits in there hell yeah that's a whole album it's the same thing it's like it's like somebody presenting their work the only difference is you guys get royalties right we don't get royalties that's something i want to change him that has to change yeah it has to change it has to be like playwrights how playwrights get get rights and royalties right that's what you guys are doing that's like a

player you shouldn't be a battle rapper who've had who's had a classic battle that's not still getting paid especially if that's 13 million and you Yeah, you fucking right. You have to change that. You fucking right. And I feel like the battle leagues, URL, King of the Dot, RBE, all the top leagues, you guys need to acknowledge the type of work But that's why I acknowledge Drake.

I thought Drake, I thought that's what Drake was doing. I thought that's what he was at least leaning towards. Drake did a deal for the league. The league, at the end of the day, is going to say, we want to book you and you.

Okay, here's my stipulations. Okay. Like, right now, you are well. I gave my stipulations to battle Geechee Dottie. Okay, I just see him the other day. Right.

He battled... The reason why you're still seeing him is because we haven't been locked in nutty block, right? Yes Encouraged my brothers like Build a platform Understand your power. Nobody is coming to these battles to see smack rap. Right.

They're coming to see you. Uh-huh. Let's all just sit back and be like, look, we can't battle until we're getting residuals off of these battles. Let me tell you a path that I see here. Because when you're saying the whole thing, we are hip-hop, I feel like it's almost the same explanation that the B-Boys and the battle DJs who feel alienated and they created their own lanes, and they almost feel like they're not a part of hip-hop anymore, when it's all hip-hop. It is.

Now, what the graffiti writers have done, which is, I don't know how this happened or who did it. They have a publishing? This is what's happened. Get the fuck out of here. When graffiti writers Put a mural up or do something It's automatically copy written even though it's on illegal walls

So you know that you that's hard and look I don't know how to get paid for that people sue all the time when people here in Wynwood in this area we're in. When advertisers come in and take these photo shoots, BMW, this boom boom in front of a mural they think, this is fucking graffiti. That's hell, I didn't know that. People are suing left and right and making money. I know friends of mine that are big graffiti artists that just have lawyers on retainer. Go get them, get them go get them get them get them

battle leagues we don't want to sue you we don't want to do that because we've all played our part to build this culture but it's time for battle rappers to get a royalty off of what they're doing but is it time for a battle rapper to control the battle rapper league see there you go again with this good advice really asking you go and you know what i feel like that because because as much as drake like again again shout to space ghosts i'm big there's a there's a situation i'm creating called friday night fights and i want to offer that to battle rappers. You get a royalty off of whatever we put out. Not only your check, but...

Not only your check, because the way that things are changing now right now... That's what Floyd Mayweather's doing. I don't know if you've seen our interview. Netflix, Amazon, everybody's trying to get a piece of something that people want to watch over and over and over. Battle rappers want it. Battle rappers should be able, like loaded lux you had a classic battle versus calico you will never make another dime off of it and people will watch it forever do you guys make brothers pops out as pops came out is that that bad no no no that was that was hollow the dawn

versus loaded lux that was when he, your pops wasn't a gangster. He was just another lost nigga. Oh, yeah. That was like. That was horrible. But to know that lux, you're never going to make another dime. Y'all don't get sound exchange off of anything? No.

That's the type of stuff that needs to change. I believe sound exchange happened. No, that's the type of stuff. That needs to change. I don't think it's the league's fault or problem. I think it's a bigger problem. It's a digital thing now. Right.

Because once you're putting it on video, it's digitized. It's all about how you figure out those rights. Right now, battle rappers are like early rappers, slaves, where we get one check and bye-bye. This shit could hit any type of channel or network. You should still get that check and the residual check of a publishing. And bye-bye. This shit could hit any type of channel or network. You should still get that check and the residual check of a publishing. If that battle goes viral and hits hard, then it should be a sound exchange after five or something like that. It doesn't happen.

We can't even repost our own battles on our own YouTube channels without getting flagged. Wow. From the league. Yes. But that's fine. Maybe you shouldn't because the league might have the right to that. But however many views that league's video gets, you should be able to get residuals off of that. Because you're creating your own property, which is your versus.

For every battle rapper that's watching this interview right now, right now, everybody who has, because it is a difference in the situation There are people coming up right now. Let's say I don't want to rap. I don't want to make music I want to be a battle rap. Yeah, I want that to be my career So we need to change this and we need to make it a situation where I do a battle For the rest of my life, no matter what that battle does. I'm gonna get paid Everybody it should be the industry standard from right now my life, no matter what that battle does, I'm going to get paid. Wow. Everybody. This should be the industry standard from right now. So everybody that's on URL, king of the dot, RBE,

all around the world, don't fly in London, wherever you at. This needs to be the industry standard so battle rappers can stop taking battles for the check and actually have a future with this shit. That's what I'm going for.

That is a serious stance. I think it's a doable stance. It's doable. It's doable. It's doable. It's doable. It's a multi-million dollar industry right now. Right. That's why I commend Drake.

But after 10 years, 10, 11, 12 years, there are no battle rap millionaires. That's wrong. Absolutely wrong. Hip hop moved faster than that. After six years,

there was a hip hop millionaire. But that's why I respect Drake for stepping up. I attempted to try. Regardless if it worked or not, I respect him. Shout out to Drake. Yeah, I respect him for stepping up. But you know what? It's going to take a Busta Rhymes to step up. Someone that I

know, because Busta loves this shit. Yeah, I know he does. It's only a couple of other rappers I can talk to. And Busta, let me just say something. The first time I met only A couple of other rappers I can talk to And Busta Let me just say something The first time I met Busta Look it up Mad Pfeiffer Busta Rhymes

It's on YouTube He knew you rhymes And everything right He was like Of course I know Who the God is I watched you Versus Iron Solomon

I used to put money On Iron Solomon When he battled. That situation that occurred between you two. I was like, yo. No, it's beautiful. And he's not bullshit. He really knows.

He really knows. And I want to correct something you're saying, because you said about hip-hop millionaires. You guys are hip-hop and need to be the other hip-hop millionaires. Thank you, bro. No, that's what he was saying. No, no, no. He was, that's what he was saying. No, no, no. He was saying what he was saying.

Because he said, I'm telling you, I speak to B-Boys, I speak to Graffiti, and they feel alienated outside of hip-hop. Right. We are all a part of the culture, man. Like, don't let nobody tell you just because there's famous rappers and this is hip-hop. We are all a part of the culture. No matter how small, would follow our whatever yes

I know and I want to follow the moniker of what's going on in the Philippines the way the top rappers out there not only make records they battle they do graffiti they dance they do everything all right now I'm not saying no no no yeah you should be spending on no no no no, no You're already doing it, man Because I'm just being honest with you When I saw it, like I said I'm going to reiterate what I'm saying Because when I seen the podcast

I was like, this is perfect This is perfect for a person like me That's busy But this is perfect for a person like me To have nothing to do Because you know why? You're giving the expertise I don't know if you sat there and said I'm the expert particular

opinion because I am but that was the expert like like I just I can see there say oh okay that's what happened I cool that's what and then don't get me wrong your co-hosts don't agree with you all the time they don't they don't have to especially my homegirl what's her name I'm miss fit miss miss out the mystery shop from now is not as. What's the science? Space Ghost, that's my dude. And then the other guy came and hung out with me and shit. And what I'm saying is you're doing the correct thing.

And the thing is it's each opinion. And that's what it's about. It's about covering your own fucking shit. And I really just respect it, but the thing about it is fucking battle rap culture is still in its infant stages. It's still...

But it shouldn't be. The same way that... No, it shouldn't be financially. Hip-hop popped up in, like, the 80s. Yeah. Early 70s. Early 70s. Like, mid-70s, mid-70s mid 70s no i agree with you but it shouldn't

be financially yeah before that yeah like financially it shouldn't be but what i'm trying to tell you it was in the genre until like what i'm trying to tell you is early you get an artist you get an artist that been out for 15 years right and you book him in in dusseldorf germany and you'll book a battle rap in dusseldorf germany i bet you that battle rap news of Germany will probably sell out No good in I'm not you know what was funny about what you saying is I went to Sweden and I Want to remember his name there was a huge rapper from Houston out there But he opened up for what we was doing

And I was shocked. I was like, how is he the opener? Right, exactly. United States, he's making what we make three times every night. Exactly. But out here, it's different. It's interpreted differently in different countries, man. Right.

It's beautiful. Nah, man. Goddamn it. Let's make some noise for Battle Rap. Goddamn it. Let's make some noise for battle rap, goddamn it. So, in us, me, EFN, and now, you know, big up to our brother, I was about to say Joe Biden, but Joe Button. Joe Button. My Virgo brother, my Jersey brother. We've all been pushing for hip-hop to have health insurance. Yeah.

Mm. That's real shit. Um. And I want to continue this with you, but I need to. You got to give me these? Go be a beast. No problem. We don't got nobody to interview.

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You want a speeding ticket? No. If you're going to go to jail, go to Diablo Bay. Go to Diablo Bay. All right, so we talked about it. I just stepped over a puddle over there. You should have had you.

Nah, nah, I go to the back. Go ahead, don't get in there. The back puddle. But, help me, Sheriff. Right. Me, personally. You don't need it. Melly Mel. Melly Mel. Right. Me personally. You don't need it.

Melly Mel. Melly Mel. Grandmaster Cass. Grandmaster Flash. Grandmaster Flash. Charlie Chase. Charlie Chase. These motherfuckers run into health issues.

I don't think they should ever. Definitely not them. These are the architects of the culture but then we should all like like I say that to get it if you really technically think about it MC Shannon KRS-One all of them it's probably like the first real battle rappers they barrister so right go hard no cool more D and busy B yeah they definitely came first but more the and busy B but they definitely came first but more the and busy B but that wasn't technically your own record song smart I think I mean

our station was was face to face yeah that was the original battle rap that's a video bet if you share the chaos one took it to new school battle rap that's what Jay Z and the record did. They made records. What they did was Jay-Z and Nas. What do you think would have happened if let's say round one was Nas spitting the the joint he did on Paid in Full. You know what I'm talking about I run through beans Freeways Money bags Yeah Round

And then Jay-Z Answered with the takeover And then round two Was Ether I'm going to be honest I'm going to tell you why I'm going to tell you why Yeah

Man, Nas might flip on me But It took Nas a year and a half to realize that Jay was going at him. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Because you got me stuck. Yeah. I thought Nas started the whole thing. No, Bleak started it.

No, Bleak got on Brink Traps. He said it. Yeah, he said it. He said it. He said he started it. Yeah, he said it. Okay. But from my understanding, according to clue tapes, according to clue tapes, Nas did a freestyle saying, you think you the king? Nah.

Nah, kings get their crowns shut off. You know what I mean? This is the thing. The thing about it is this. And we have the proof. Right. I'm so glad. Because I don't have the proof right I'm so glad one of his friends from his hood my I said no some say and bleep was like what he wouldn't have me

yeah so bleep say he just went out there and then we did a whole little thing and I was like, yo Bleak, you thought you could beat Nas? Like that. It was a like that joint. Some shit like that. It was a like that joint. Yeah, it was something like that. And we went through it and Bleak thought in his mind he could really beat Nas.

But me on the other side, this is the part I didn't get a chance to say that. You know, at that time, it was 1997, 1998. Right. And me and Jungle was the closest dudes in the world. G-Wiz is my man, by the way. That's my favorite. Shout out to Wiz.

I believe 99, 2001 is when Hov started taking the shots. And I just remember us saying, we thought Hov was taking shots. On what practice? He got a lot of things during his junior year. What year is that? But none of y'all didn't get fooled, too. That's the joint with Beans. What year is that? Throw Your of y'all That's the joint with Beans What year is that?

Throw your hands up Throw your hands up I believe that's 2001 to 2004 It's in that area If I'm wrong, please tell me What is it called? You know how Matt come through On the club tip

Yeah, but what's the name of the record though? Do it again Do it again Do again. Do it again Do it again. Oh, yeah, do it again I'm on point I'll smoke with you Smoke champ that's for you. That's for you. That's for you, baby. God damn it But this is the show this is the power of hip-hop. We cross the brand over everything.

We smoking our own shit. Crazy. It's going to be Madhopper boxing gloves. So you said 1989? Yo, that's it. So didn't I just say? I said the year before you said it. That's fire.

That's fire. And I'll be honest with you. Nas was my brother then. He's my brother now. But back then, I kind of felt like he was a little naive. To what was going on? Jungle knew.

Right. Me and Jungle, Nas' brother Jungle is just like me. He's foul. Right. No, he's foul. Right. And Jungle to this day is foul.

I love Jungle. I love Nas too. But I'm just saying, Jungle's he's foul. And Jungle, to this day, is foul. I love Jungle. I love Nas, too. But I'm just saying, Jungle's a foul nigga. And Jungle was like, let's get him. You know what's funny? I met Jungle at a battle event. Yeah, trust me. Trust me.

Jungle's a foul nigga. He would have been like, let's get him, man. He would have stabbed somebody with you. I'm just throwing it out there. Just in case it got down to it. I'm just being honest. I'm being honest. The nigga has never got Hollywood.

Jungle to this day has an apartment in Queensbridge like Sea Murder. I'm being honest with y'all niggas. Sea Murder had an apartment in... I'm not playing. Niggas, everybody looking like, for real? Oh, yeah, that's that smoke chance, baby. Let's make some noise for us, guys. But back then, you know... Oh, yeah, that's that smoke chance, baby. Let's make some noise for Oscar. Hey! Hey! Hey!

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Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Oh, would you get the rest of the time? I'd do it. You get the rest of the time. Come on. Let's just go. Coronavirus. Tiny, tiny shit on us. We gonna get another bottle for a long time, bro. For a long time. I ain't gonna lie. Is that just mine? You disrespected me.

Give everybody else. Give everybody else. No, not in that. Give me a shot. Yeah, don't do that. You take the D'Ussé, nigga. And? We brought you D'Ussé.

And we know that you got XO D'Ussé, just in case you want to go home with that. I will. You know what I'm saying? Just in case. We take care of our artists. You know that? You know that?

I felt like somebody should have said, aw, at that point. Aw. Yeah, aw. That's great. That was hard. That was great. You know, I want my people, I want when people come to see Drink Chance,

hold on. When people come to see Drink Chance, they know that they take care of their people. You can smoke. you can joke. Man, the last drop of the last drop. And you can choke, goddammit. You know what I mean? Goddammit.

This is for Mad Papa. Make some noise for your love. Ah, God. Woo. Woo. Do not pretend that shit tastes good. I'm not going to lie lie after that takeover Julia

Julia that means it's raining I have no idea why I'm talking about this rain Julia I'm trying to learn Spanish I'm fucking up man So Julia Julia Julia Fucking up, man. So, Juvia. Juvia. Juvia. Juvia. Juvia.

Juvia. Juvia. Juvia cards. Juvia. Like the Yu-Gi-Oh. Juvia? Okay, no. That's range.

No. You ever battled a person that got racist? Yes. In Sweden. Let's make some noise. In Sweden. You're going to make a noise for the racist? In Sweden.

No, no, no. Because I stung up his ass. Let's make some noise. Sweet. You're going to make a noise for the racist? In Sweden. Where you going? No, no, no, because I summed up to Zash. OK, let's make some noise for Zash. So you was in Sweden. I was in Sweden, though, all of a sudden. Was you battling in Sweden? Oh, he got racist with you? And he was a Swedish dude?

Yes. What did he call you? He didn't call you anything. He didn't call me nothing. That's like original Nazis over there. That's not going to fly. What are you doing? That's not going to fly.

And he tried to call me a deadbeat. And my third round was all about me raising my son. I even did the Elmo voice. People don't know this. I got five kids. I had to learn to adapt. So if I want to do the Elmo voice, I'm going to do the Elmo voice whenever I feel like it. I do Cookie Monster for my daughter.

I'm not going to do it, but I do it. I do shit. Elmo loves to do things. Yo, Elmo battle me? Yes. Yo, Elmo battle me. Yo, Elmo whoop the racist dude's ass? Yes.

Yes. Thanks, man. Thanks for coming. Wow. Real shit. Damn, man. Damn. That's all. Thank you. Wow. Real shit.

Damn, man. Damn. So, what's the worst part of? No, wait. You were talking about the Nas and Jay-Z. Okay, yeah, I did. Yes, the Nas and Jay-Z. And it took some time for us.

Okay. What was your stance during that time? This is something I'll ask you if you guys came on more i i love to handle it on our show all right um all right for years um and I say this respectfully, they were scared of each other, which was great. They should have been. But me being the...

The outsider. I'll say outsider, and I'll say cheerleader, I'll say hype man, I'll say everything. I was just like, man, like... And Jungle's his brother Yeah

So like When I heard We got a little cause A little jewelry I just kind of felt like Let me know How motherfuckers can fool With being

I kind of felt like There was no like There was no comparison Other Other person He could be talking about Right Nas did not

Feel like that Which was great Like That was still Yeah And I remember we seeing them in the Justins, and it was like,

oh, what's going on? And Nas being like, nah. Nah, it's love. It's all love. And then the shots just kept going, just kept going. But it takes time.

That's my point. My point is, sometimes a person will see, like, I think I brought this up because I said six months later, I said, you know, I think that's why I brought it up. We're just all over the place.

It doesn't matter. Fuck it. But contrary to what I believe, you're saying Jay started this. Bleak started this. No, Bleak started it. Bleak started it. He said it on Drink Champs. Listen, Bleak started it.

But immediately, if my little man is doing something. Your lifestyle is written, so who you... Okay, hold on. Immediately, if my little man is doing something, I don't... I don't co-sign. I'm going to stop him. I stop him.

Right. Which means J wanted dicks. Right. So it's automatically like a co-sign. So it's... You understand? Like, and when we... Yeah, so like bleep.

I remember that line. Your lifestyle is written, so who you supposed to be? Play your position. Yeah. But that's light. Not at that time. If you say your lifestyle's written, yeah. No, it was written.

It's my number one album. I'm going on record saying it was written is my number one Nas album. You are correct for your own opinion, but you're not correct in its totality. Okay. What's yours? Illmatic, brother. Yeah, Illmatic. Illmatic?

Illmatic. Really? Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. It was written so much better. The message alone was like... Okay, it was written... It's classic.

I don't want to take away from it. It was great. It's just Illmatic was... Illmatic was still like... It broke ground, though. It broke illmatic illmatic was still like it broke ground though it broke ground it was a visual movie it was something that you can hear it was an audio movie excuse me it was something you could hear that you can see and for me that was the first time in hip-hop other than slick rick children's story and i'm not saying no because nwa did that

as well i didn't see car i felt like like n way I could visualize I didn't want to go to Compton, but you know Lado you from LA Was the first time I heard it I thought it's right as I Thought Compton was a version of Rikers Island. I said, I don't never want to go to Compton. I thought they just wore plaid out there all the time. For real. That's what I'm saying. You had to tell me 2 Live Crew didn't make you visualize what they was talking about?

Yeah, I definitely did. No, no, no. First of all, out of here, 2 Live Crew record, I just saw the videos. So I was like, hey, yeah. Saw that the place. You know, we might have buddy-whacketed a couple times.

I think we're all saying the same thing, but differently. But I think Illmatic broke so much ground. No, Illmatic was the first album I heard that saw. Does that make sense?

I heard it, but I saw it. But you lived it too. But you lived it. Hold on, hold on. Time out. I was about to say that to you. I was about to say, it wasn but I saw it. But you lived it too. Hold on, hold on. Time out. I was just about to say that to you. I was just about to say,

it wasn't a Queens thing. He was breaking down Brooklyn. He was talking about other things. He was talking about New York City. So the thing is, if you're talking about Queens, I get that part. If you limit to me the just Queens,

to say that Illmatic was a great album just because I'm from Queens, I would also accept that. But the fact is, he was talking about Brooklyn. He was talking about the Bronx. He was- Anybody in any project understood that. It was a New York state of mind. Anybody from a project, a complex, or a co-op. If you were from any from a tenement where you had other neighbors, you could relate to what Nas said.

Facts. Facts. a tenement where you had other neighbors, you could relate to what Nas said. And I'm not saying that for a regional thing. I'm saying that because that was a piece of poetry. But you should understand the non-regional aspect. And you had to love it too. No, of course. I'm telling you we loved it, but we loved it for different reasons. Okay, and what was your different reasons? It broke ground

lyrically for us. We had never heard. Stop, stop, stop. You say you had never heard Lyrically like that. I mean either I didn't need to rock him of course Because it was like a young you're right is my kid Big oh, that was the white beer for you Right Yes, yes, yes. Our generation. Facts. Don't let the white beard fool you, but it was me and this. Agreed. Agreed.

Agreed. But that's what it was. Because Rakim to us was a god, but he was a little bit older than us. I heard Rakim when I was young, and I was like, yo, he's nice. But when I heard Nas, I was like, yo. It related more to you because he's more. We almost felt like we would never get another Rakim. He's closer to my age, and he's Rakim right now.

Rakim felt like your uncle. Nas felt like your older brother. Facts. Yeah, exactly. Rakim felt like your uncle. After that video music box did a whole fucking special on him. Yeah. Oh, Nas?

Listen, my every day has come from school, Disney afternoon, Batman at 4.30, 5 o'clock, video music box. See, this is what brings me back. Because just you saying video music box lets me know that you're from an era of true hip-hop, right? Right. So now what happens, you see these battle rappers. I'm so sorry. I got to ask about it.

These new niggas, they just, they metaphors. Like I said, the bad thing about me interviewing a person for drink champs is I become these people for two days. So for two days, I just explore your fucking world. You steal their socks. Yeah, I steal your socks for two days. And there was one, like, so, because, you know, I wanted to respect your new job. I didn't want to just look at all your old battles. I wanted to respect your new job.

So I wanted to look at all these other battles. And I started to see some new battles that was happening. So I had to look, you know, certain dates and shit like that. I looked at the YouTubes or whatever. And there was a lot of these nude guys that they don't study the craft at all. No. They study metaphors. They study a pattern

that they think that it's usable for everybody. Just like hip-hop right now, where the baby will come out with a song. There's that pattern. There's like 150,000 people that will come out with a song using the same flow. Yeah, you could hear that flow, that pattern.

One of them might hit. One of them might hit and be like, oh, shit, oh, this is the other shit. Right. But the rest of them, hit and be like, oh shit. Oh, this is the other shit, right? But the rest of them They're just Seeing one thing and emulating it, right? They're not understanding your culture is really about original originality And that's the problem nowadays Because I feel like I hear one record, it hits, and then I hear another record that's

just like it. And then I hear another record just like it. Just like battle rap. A dude that have a classic battle, and then I hear somebody else come with the same shit. That's what separates the legends, the vets, from the rook shit. That's what separates the legends, the vets, from the rookies. The rookies emulate.

The vets, they come into this shit like, how can I be different? The legends, I've been different. I created this style. They innovate. Right.

So I got, like for National Sunday, I put up a picture of me holding Sussurf's hand as a child, leaning on me. Mm. You feel what I'm saying? Because my style is what birthed you. Mm. Understand that. You dig what I'm saying?

Mm. And there's a lot of, there's so many other rappers that could do the same thing. Nori. But is there, but hold on, but is there,

all y'all niggas want to say what what? God damn it. How many times was you sitting in the crib and somebody be like, yo, I just heard a song. Somebody said what what on it.

You want me to tell you what I gave to the game? I got a lot more than just what what. Right. Okay, I gave what what. I gave to tell you what i gave to the game i got a lot more than just what what right okay i gave what what i gave jump off i gave haterade first i gave slime you stood up for new york you gave me you stood up for me i gave all your content that's a huge hit i stood up from new york when you was no one was kicking down the building when no one stood up for new york was kicking down the builders and guess what we had seen that out of all them that's on that record and when when we needed Masmahees, you gave it to us.

More corn for us. I gave you Masmahees and the little niggas. We'll let you know, I want to party and do the war at the same time, nigga. It's so good, I ain't backing down. Let's go to LA and get that good corn. But you know what? And to this day, I'm one of the only niggas going to reward at the same time, nigga. It's all good. I ain't backing down. Let's go to L.A. and get that good court. But you know what? And to this day, I'm one of the only niggas going to L.A. To this day, you know, Daz is one of our closest friends.

Corrupt is one of our closest friends. Shout out to the rock band. Me and E-40 working on something. I can't tell you what we working on because I don't even know what we working on. Right. It's just something we working on. Fuck it. And, you know, so, but to tell you you the truth I'm a New York nigga No matter where I'm at

I don't give a fuck If you move me to The Bay Area You move me to Miami There's a person That's going to come in there And say where you from And I'm going to say

I'm from Oklahoma, Nebraska And they're going to say You from New York City Nigga Your accent can't Listen God Ray One of my closest friends

A lot of people don't know this Was John Singleton was John Singleton. John Singleton was my homie. That nigga did not live in L.A. Rest in peace. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Nigga lived out here. I used to be with John Singleton about two, three days of a week.

And I used to starve to him. I'm like, yo, put me on snowfall. That nigga said your New York accent is the most terrible accent I've ever... Norby, I wouldn't even set you up to put you on snowfall. I'm like, you don't think I could be an L.A. nigga? Give us your best L.A. right now. I can't do it. He was right. I'll be honest with you, bro.

I can't see it. He was right. I can't see it. I can't see it. He was right. I can't see it. I can't see it. Listen, he was right. I can't see it. Because I did try to look in the mirror, and I was like, your clothes, your blood.

Your blood. You a mark. You a mark. I was like, damn, this nigga's jaw got me. I can't do it. But then I met my nigga from actual snowfall. What's my nigga? The British dude.

This nigga. He's British, right? Yeah, he's British. That's my nigga from actual snowfall. What's my nigga the British dude? That's crazy, that's super actors, but then when I met him I was like he's like hey Noria to her trip what Being man, but but let me know I'm not a real actor. Because I can't turn it on and turn it off like that. I can't be like... You're a boy on loco for life. I can play a Spanish nigga and a black nigga. That's it. No, I guarantee you, there's a hit series waiting for you to play a part in.

From L.A.? You want to be a West Coast nigga? No, you can't be a West Coast nigga. I got to stay in New York. You got to stay in East Coast. Yeah, East Coast. East Coast. play a part in from LA you wanna be a restaurant no I see that's my nigga keep it to he got a CSI development somewhere That's my next side Dominican Republic Your math I'm just being honest man. I have very fun with you and I knew I was gonna have fun with you Yeah, let me finish my champagne. Oh, you're not done yet. I'm not done. Can you open this one? I'm going to... Please. Yo, so have you been following what's going on in battle rap, like the viral stuff? I have not.

Please, can you put me on? I have been following it as much as I can, but I know- What have you seen? I know I'm not- Best Friend goals, have you seen that? I have not seen Best Friend. I have no idea what's going on. T-Rex taking a shot in an orgy.

In an orgy? Definitely have nuts. No? Okay, all right, cool. It's out there. Check it out. Wait, T-Rex from Dot Mom. T-Rex, Dot Mom.

My nigga with the little pimple on his side. You never saw that? Shout out to T-Rex, man. He took a... Wait, I don't know what that is. It was a video that went viral recently where T-Rex was, you know, he was in a situation. Another wheelchair. No, he had something bent over.

And his man gave him a shot while he had something bent over and he looked in the camera. It looked crazy. Niggas are still training shit? Yeah, no. It wasn't training. It was just in the same room.

Was Punn proud or sad? Punn was proud. Punn was proud? Punn was proud. Oh, that's cool. Punn was proud. If Punn is proud, let's salute that. Because I ran Triz with Punn, and I was not happy about it a couple of times

He forced me this really happened Heard every record were you important? Yeah and I was like you could know your point getting along together. This is awesome I love this shit. I love this shit. These motherfuckers got the best skits in the world. You know what I mean? Did you actually get to run Trisnane? No, I've done some shit. Yeah, I've done some shit.

Trisnane? Yeah. And, you know, I really wasn't put it but I have fun I was 18 I'll be honest with John niggas. I've never seen like, you know, the New York City This is this slush on the floor like in the wintertime, right? He said I never seen like polar bears You can't look look directly at our asses. Oh, no, no, no. I don't want a part of that.

I don't want a part of that. No, I wasn't there. This is the part when I seen Pon. Like, I seen his people. Like, you know, in New York City in the wintertime, there's slush on the floor. Right. And sometimes there's slush.

It's yellow. Sometimes a little bit of black. It's not really slush you want to fucking touch. It's not the same. Yeah. I've seen my niggas fill up super squirters with the slush you want to fucking touch. It's not the same, yeah. I've seen my niggas fill up super squirters with the slush. And hit people with it.

Was it you, though? No, they hit bitches. And I'm like, I don't know why because the bitches sucked everyone's dick. This is back in the days. This is like 1998.

It was like, why treat them like that? They're doing something for us. This is like 1998. They sucked everyone off. Then we had a triz. It was like Queens why treat them like that? They're doing something for us. It's like 1998. They sucked everyone off. Then we had a trade. It was like Queens against the Bronx. Who could nut the least?

The least? The least, yeah. So it was like, yeah. So we had a Queens girl fucking a Bronx nigga and a Bronx nigga fucking a... I want to ask you a question. So it was like, whoever bust first, lost. So. That's crazy.

What a terrible contest. Who won? I think Queensby won. Queensby? You think? By a degree. By a degree. You think?

But mind you. Because there's nobody in the Bronx. But mind you, me and Punn is rooting them on. Yeah, yeah. It's like playing craps. So you was in it? No, no. I was in it.

It was fantastic. So we was rooting them on. Fantastic. Like, was in it. It was fantastic. So we just went in there. Fantastic. No, no, in the fantastic. So we was rooting them on. But the thing is, no one could really not. It's 14 niggas in here looking at you like this. Come on, nigga. Hold it down.

Back, back. That happened to me one time. You like that. I had a chick in the front and a chick in the back. Didn't work. Wait, so what was the chick in the back doing? Let me tell you something. You can say anything. Let's just make some noise. in the front and a chick in the back. Didn't work. Wait, so what was the chick in the back doing? Let me tell you something.

Let's just make some noise for him. I'm going to keep it real. I'm going to keep it real. I'm going to keep it real. Damn, you ain't going to make noise for that? Make some noise. You know what these females put us through? That's the least we can get.

Make some noise for that, everybody. So, it's my man's bachelors party. It's actually Sav. He used to manage Young M.A. Young Sav? Young M.A. But Young Sav from Death Cab? Sav. No, Sav that used to manage Young M.A. Okay, we gonna remember this nigga. Let's go. Not on Duck Down.

With Duck Down in them? Yes. Okay. But he wasn't with Duck Down. All right. Let's go. He just picked it up. Okay.

Young M.A. started off with a manager named Young Sapp. He's from Crown Heights. Okay. He's my man. Right. And Duck Down. At his bachelor party.

Duck Down, home of the original Gun Clappers. We've taken it back to black moon There's a black moon. They just said they've just recently had their 21st anniversary Yeah, they ladies in the game. That's crazy They love duck down for 20 years in here many follow them on Twitter. It is Brooklyn all day So I went to his bachelor party. I was a young young dude at time and He didn't want to go through With the festivities

So he was like Hey Man if it's so on you And there was a chick in the front And the festivities There was two chicks in the front No no hold on There was two chicks in the front

Okay man But one of them Just wanted to go to the back Sounds like Eddie the ass eater Was somewhere Not for me No no hold on Not for me just wanted to go to the back. Sounds like Eddie the ass eater was somewhere around there. Now, for me, that ain't really the move.

You know what I'm saying? Nah, not back there. White fans looking at you different. You sure you want to miss this? No, no, that's cool. She knows about the ass eating. Everything has been disclosed.

She knows what I like, what I don't like. All documents have been opened. This is prior to that? Wow, yeah. She don't give a fuck. She don't give This is prior to that Wow. Yeah, okay I'm really into this ass Can't move into it back and I'm like yo what you doing back there every time she went for it there was a change in the front because I didn't like it. You dig what I'm saying? Changing gears?

No, no, there was a change in, hey, oh. Yeah, you're changing gears. I don't like this. Oh, but the front wasn't stepping it up? The front was stepping it up. Okay, that's how I felt. But the back was a distraction. It was very distracting.

The back was fucking everything up, right? I don't like this. This is not hip-hop and R&B anymore. I said, yo, I said, yo, stop. And she was like, man. Eddie Giggs, you want to sit in the chair? She ruined the whole situation, basically. She ruined the whole situation.

So after a while, I was like, nah, I'm good on this. I don't like it. It is what it is. But if you're out there and you're a man and you like getting your ass licked, that's on you. That's my man, Eddie Giggs. Where you at? Eddie Giggs. Eddie Giggs. Where you at? Eddie Giggs! Eddie Giggs.

Salute to you, bro! Get him on camera! Get him on the camera! No, I do not like my ass eating. I eat the ass. That's what it is. Wait, so you don't... I eat her ass. Have you ever felt that? No, I don't like it. I don't like it.

You don't like it? I don't like it either. I don't like it either. I don't like it either. I like it. I don't like it. You don't like it? No, I don't like it either. I don't like it either. Yeah, I like it. I don't like it. What happened with Big Trouble? EFM, how do you feel about it? I ain't mad at it. You ain't mad at it?

I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I'm going to the bathroom. I ain't mad at it. I'm going to the bathroom. No, it's your entertainment. I ain't mad at it. So, Hoar, so, Hoar, so, Hoar.

I'm not going to go out there and talk about it. Hoar, how many chicks would you say have actually performed this on you? Nah, it'd probably be like one or two. One or two? One or two? Yeah, it takes a special chick to want to even go that route. I'm just saying, it's becoming popular. You should just leave the mic down. It doesn't even look good when we're talking about this. Okay, hold up. Pause should just leave the mic down. It doesn't even look good when we're talking about this. Okay, hold up.

Pause. Pause. Pause. Pause. So who are these chicks, these one or two? Who are they? I'm going to talk about names and shit? Not names. You don't got to give names. Nationalities and shit? Nah, just areas where they reside. It's all Miami. We in Miami, dog.

Miami? We in the freak town. That's crazy. Is Miami really the freak town? I mean, I can only speak for you. Nah, bro. I lived out here for nine months. It's in the freak town. That's crazy. Is Miami really the freak town? I mean, I can only speak for you. Nah, bro, I lived out here for nine months. It's not the freak town. Wait, wait, wait. Where do you live out here?

I live downtown Miami. Okay, you're not living in Miami, Miami. So what's real Miami? It's just being in the neighborhoods. Hialeah? Really? They eat the mass over there, that's what y'all say Wow, she really cares about she went for it. She really wants to make sure. Hold on, hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on, Nori. Hold on, Nori. Was your bent oval? Hell no. Or was your legs up?

Yeah, neither of those. Or was your legs up? Neither. Yo, why is your mic going in for this? You need to pause yourself. Would your legs up, you bet? Why would your legs up? Because I go front.

Because my mic is up. I don't like this new era porn, where niggas be having their legs up. I don't like that, B. It's not good. I'm not going to say it, whatever. I'm not going to say it. Not going to say it. What are you not going to say that you're probably going to say? I'm not going gonna say it. Not gonna say it. What are you not gonna say that you're probably gonna say?

I'm not gonna say it. What happened? The coffee shit? You got a finger pop or something. This is where finger pop gotta get back in style. Finger pop, yeah. I don't see the vibe. I want to bring your finger popping back.

So what does that have to do with that situation? I'm not gonna lie. I feel like a lot of situations... I used to finger pop chicks. Yeah. And then I put my hand by the side of your face when I kiss him and smell the finger Mmm and be like, oh no, I'm gonna leave this alone. Yeah, that's ready to go We need to bring that back I guess but like turquoise for me to keep going turquoise if we don't smell like turquoise, I'll put a turquoise smell on it. Exactly.

He's like, I don't know what it smells like. Rest in peace, Popsmoke, but welcome to the party. Oh my God, what a crap sandwich. Rest in peace, Popsmoke. I'm a turquoise. Let's give him a real rest in peace, though. Let's give him a real rest in peace. One, two, three. Rest in peace, Popsmoke.

Yo, but how could... Let's give him more masalas I mean You know how crazy is that for you a Brooklyn nigga? I feel like the Takashi situation fuck this all up led to that Explain that's the cotton Make it make sense because the way the Cassie should have been rolling is the way pop smoke should have been rolling, right? Not only that not only that but there's an association Not them or what they claim there was an associate, okay

Yeah, they're gonna say it and then you go to the West Coast, who's with you? You're talking about gang gang shit. Right. Right. I never really fully understood the gang gang shit in New York. None of us fully understood the gang shit. Even the people that grew up in the gang shit, they don't fully understand it. That's why there's always innocent bystanders that happen.

The thing about it is we got to start looking at each other as blacks. We got to start looking at each other like hip-hop. We got to start looking at each other like, you know, the people who understand the same thing.

Like, if I look at you like a king, if I look at you like a pharaoh, it's hard for me to hurt you. Right. If I look at you like a nigga, I look at you like a fucking, you know, a cuz or a blood,

it's easy for me to hurt that. Right. The I want I want to I want to us to expand the thing is bigger than hip-hop it's bigger than it's you know we should do we should we hip-hop is a fucking nationality and if you love hip-hop and and and you white and you love hip-hop and and you Colombian you love hip-hop and you Dominican you love hip-hop and you Asian Dominican, and you love hip-hop, and you Asian, and we're all together, then we gotta all be together. That's a fact. We gotta all be together.

This shit is crazy. I had to check myself today, Norm. Yes, okay. I'm walking down Lincoln. Road. I noticed that when a black person walked past me... You get that? I was on the eyes like I

Don't know what's that? That's that New York in you and then When somebody else from a different race or whatever walk past me, I didn't give a fuck But I kept paying attention and I said to myself Doing this that's New York. Am I doing this? That's New York. Why am I doing this? At the end of the day, you're out here, I'm out here. You're probably trying to have a good time.

I'm trying to have a good time. Why am I watching you? Why do I suspect you of being the enemy? That's hip-hop. It's hip-hop, and it's New York and hip-hop. But it's not good for us. No, it's terrible. Because at the end of the day... It took me 10 years to get over what you just said.

10 years? 10 years. Wow. Every time I ever seen another black person, I always was on guard. Every time I seen another person who, not even a black person, it didn't matter if they was black. If they had a Dodgers hat on, if they had a hoodie on, if they had the same Jordans that I was on, I knew they was on that type of time I was on.

Right. So I immediately got on guard. Right. It took me to turn 42 years old that I could sit back and I could say, what's up, homie? How you doing? Where you from? Right. It really, because I was just like, fuck everybody.

The thing is, when I got into this game, I felt like, fuck y'all niggas. I ain't got to be involved with y'all. And then as I kept elevating, I realized I'm the only nigga that's thinking like this. The thing is, everyone else is happy. Why I can't be happy?

And as I elevated, I realized that that's some real New York shit. It is. Motherfuckers in LA, they all get along. Motherfuckers in Atlanta, that's where Atlanta's winning.

Where? Atlanta can look at another person winning. That's not true, man. That's not really true. No, no, no. Just hit it. Everybody in every city has their own perspective.

But everybody in every city has their own issues. No, no. I'm not comparing this to New York. No, no. If you compare it to New York. I'm sorry, EFN, because I should have realized everyone else is here. I had eye-to-eye contact with him. So what I'm saying is I'm just giving him a New York perspective.

Like when we go out of town sometimes. It's terrible. Just to show an example of what it is. Right. Clue tapes. We never heard a Nas and Biggie collaboration. Right. We never heard Nas collaborate with anybody that wasn't from Queens.

You dig what I'm saying? We never heard Biggie. Well, but AZ was, but AZ was considered a Queens nigga because of his affiliation. Facts. Even though he was from the most Brooklyn-ness hood ever. He's New York. Facts. Yep.

But there wasn't too much of that. Yep. So it was always a separation if it came to who's the best rapper, who's the most creative, who's doing this, who's doing that. We were always sectioned off to our borough. And that's part of the reason why the rest of the country ended up taking over hip-hop. Yes, I agree with you. Because us, like in other regions, New York wouldn't let us in. They thought that we were corny.

They thought we would be tough. It's not only that. It's not only that. It's not only that. The South represented the South at one point. No, no. The whole South. No, we represented Brooklyn. Every region.

New York, Brooklyn, Queens, Harlem, Long Island. Y'all were too busy with each other. I don't know five boroughs in Atlanta. I don't know five boroughs in Florida. But in every city, there is their own boroughs. They don't just have five boroughs. There is an open locker. There is an open town.

There is a peak street. If you came from that, if you came from that, I mean, you said ATL. But it was an ignorance to the way that New York hip-hop looked at the rest of the country. Don't blame New York hip-hop. Blame hip-hop. Is it serious?

Don't say New York hip-hop. No, but-hop. But New York was the mecca of it. The industry was there. But the thing is, Japan looked at it the same way. Australia looked at it the same way. Nobody looked at it only because of New York. New York was the beacon. New York represented what we represented and the world gravitated to it.

No, took whatever New York told them. Of course we can. No, absolutely we can. What do you mean? Blame us for what? No, I'm just saying we're blaming the South right now for running it. No, we can't blame them. We're not blaming you. I'm just saying to you.

We're not blaming them, but I can't see how someone from the South said, let's not be like that. Y'all can't critique what you guys. You guys can't say the critique, and then when I critique it from the outside, say no, no, no, no, no, no. But you guys, I'm saying the same thing you guys are saying. Right. But from the outside, when I say it, you're like, no, no, no, no. But for guys i'm saying the same thing you guys are saying but from the outside but when i say it you're like no no no no understand for us if something started here yeah and you guys are looking outside of what we're doing exactly but every blood every crip in los angeles can always critique every blood and every crip from new york

they can so it's vice versa it's the same exactly Los Angeles can always critique every blood and every crip from New York. They can. So it's vice versa. It's the same exact way. You're absolutely right. Everybody who does hip hop outside of New York, we can critique you. We can critique you. No, no, no. Because you know why? Hip hop is written in New York, so it doesn't matter.

But look what happened when Crips and Bloods got exported. Exactly. It got crazier. Same thing with hip hop. Wait, wait, wait. Let's wait a second. Same thing with hip hop. Cripsian bloods started in the west coast yep right hip-hop started in new york as far as we i mean actually i think that's a bad analogy to be

honest as far as we knew too late you was in. You're taking it. And you... But I retract. I retract my... Thank you so much. Keep to you, man. So every set represents an area. No, no, but I take it back. So none of this... No, no, no, no, no, no. Keep to you, man.

But every set represents an area, right? For New York, you didn't have to have a set. You was just from that area and that's what it was. No, your set was your borough. That was your set. That is a set. That's no it was your burrow. That was you said That's the same thing. I'm saying right you was from that area and that's what it was. Okay, so what are we saying?

but on the inside of it there wasn't like a Differential like the way there is now. No, I feel like there's new rappers coming up that feel like I gotta be blood. I gotta be crit to but that's a completely different Conversation that we're having but yeah, but you're right. You're right saying you're right You're right, but when for us like it was like now I wasn't under that I'm from our eyes You had to stand on your own from best Came up we was against all odds. To tell you the truth, Puff Daddy was controlling it. I think you said it earlier with the shiny suits. And, you know, I tell that to Puff for the last two years,

that me and him, you know, last couple years, we haven't been able to hang out as much. But two years prior to that, I had to tell him. I said, yo, I hate you. In 1938. I hated you in 97. Why? Might have hated you in 99,

because you had Chinese suits. Yeah. Chinese? He had Chinese suits? No, shiny. No, no, no. One more thing. You know, both, hey, hey, hey, both Chinese and Chinese.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So, to tell you the truth, you represented the exact opposite of what I represented. Like, you know, to truth, you represented the exact opposite of what I represented. Like, you know, to me, that was my shiny suit. You see, when I look at Raekwon,

that's no beach polo. That was my Versace. That was my Gucci. Absolutely. That was my Okuji. That was it right there. You see the shit that's to the left of that? Arabian Rock Kim.

Look, they got Gucci, but that Gucci is not Gucci. The nap is dab-a-dab-a-dab-a-dab. I understand. There was a stick-up kid named 50 Cent. Of course. In that era that we're looking at right now. And he might have got both of those chains. You feel what I'm saying?

From Albany Projects. What, he took their chains? Listen, we just spoke about 50 Cent. No, I don't know that. No,, we just spoke about 50 Cent. You don't know the history. Nah, I don't know that. Nah, we just spoke about 50 Cent right here. With Jazzo, with Little Sean. All about the original 50 Cent. Yeah, the original 50 Cent, yes.

What did you say? I'm from Queens, but I'm motherfucking BK Hart. Right. Right. Yeah. He knew what he was doing. Yes. Right.

He picked a nigga from Brooklyn that everybody was like, ah, it's 50. Yeah, 50 Cent said it. 50 got everybody. You want a blunt? You sure? I'm going to fuck with you. This is New York City. Here, take a look at 50. 50 got everybody.

You want a blunt? You sure? I'm going to fuck with you. This is New York City. Take a blunt. Take your own blunt, brother. Eddie has heroin if you want. Nah. Don't listen to this nigga.

Don't listen to this nigga. Yo, Matt, I can't. That's what you're doing later? No, no, no. Listen, so Matt, what battles't. That's what you're doing later? No, no, no. Listen, so Matt, what battles are you looking up to now? I mean, you. Two-Serve versus Loaded Lux.

Oh, shit. They battled before? No, they're contracted. We don't have a date on it, but they were contracted. Okay, Two-Serve, Steve LaBelle. That's Steve LaBelle, homie, right? And then Loaded Lux.

That's my man. Loaded Lux. You motherfucking preacher, that's Steve LaBelle homie, right? And then Loaded Lux, that's my man. Loaded Lux. Motherfucking preacher, nigga. Malcolm X. So it's basically the dude that's, he's a new era, he claims neighborhood. He might be the new era. He claims neighborhood. Crip. He's been shot a couple times. He got shot five times. So he the a 50 cent of battle rap? He's a 50 cent of battle rap.

And he's been locked up a whole bunch of times. And every time he came back, he came crazy. So it was like, at one point I was like, damn, do I need to go to jail? Like, what's going on?

What's going on? Because when he came out of there, it was fury. That's his passion. And then we got Lord of Lux, the performer, the master,

the one of the four fathers. He on Hot 97 right now doing some shit. I don't know, what he doing on Hot 97? I don't know what he doing either. Yeah, but he's there.

Nobody care about that. Yeah, it's okay. We care about when you step on that stage, who you are Lugs versus surf is gonna be the battle of this year as that smack is that URL? What would leave a smack? Because at the end of the day I give it up the king of the dot I give it up to RPE But smack is really the person who created

multimillion- dollar industry from this. So if a person asks you right now, you got a two million battle, two million dollar battle, and you could pick who, what league you want to battle, what league are you picking? URL.

I respected your answer, god damn it. I really do, I really do. That's Mac, right? URL, Mac, right? I your answer, goddammit. I really do. I really do. That's it. You are a realm. I got you. I got you. I got you.

Because not only did like... I'm really into this answer. All right, Smack DVD was what it was. I'm sure you was on it. A million people on it. I was scared to... I was watching. I was scared to be on camera.

YouTube. When YouTube was introduced, then we got to see what everything was worth. When the battles got uploaded. Can you remember everything we were about to say? Because let me just tell you something. At that time, when the battles got uploaded on YouTube, you guys was worth more than us. Because people kept watching them watching them like watch listen when youtube first got uploaded battle rappers was worth more than rappers there was gucci man

interviews there was 50 cent into interviews there was kanye interviews but the battles the numbers just kept growing and growing growing growing and growing and growing and growing. That's a fact. Smacks that back and I'm saying, I gotta make a dollar off this. This is a culture. It's real shit. May that happen.

So I'm always gonna say like, for right now, even though I love RBE, I've made the most money in battle rap that I've ever made off of RBE. King of the Dot, we got love too. One of my battles in King of the Dot is the most that I ever made in King of the Dot.

But Smack, there's just a history there that's like undeniable. And everybody's gonna gravitate to it. And he feel like Don King because everybody like diss him and big him up at the same time in the battle. Facts. At the same time. At the same time. He always have glasses on because someone's going to diss him and shit on him at the same time.

Smack could fuck up forever. And motherfuckers would still be like, nah, it's Smack, bro. And they'd be like, Smack believed in him, but fuck Smack and Chee with him. He's like, what the fuck? All the niggas around him was like, fuck them niggas. Right now, they just think I smashed Beasley White. And no, I didn't.

It's crazy. Wait a minute, man. If he wasn't ready. I Googled that. You saw it? I got it in the Google. You got it in the Google? I wasn't going to bring it up.

That's crazy. The CIA told me. That was the third page. That was the third page. I'm going to leave it alone. Look, I'm going to say this. I got love for Beasley. I got love for Smack.

You know what I'm saying? We both grew together, but I'm always going to be on the side of the battle rappers. I'm always on the side of them. And Beasley like Nas. That means you must be a cute nigga if you could fuck Nas. Beasley like Nas? He look like Nas a little bit, right?

You think so? Him de-na, him de-nice. They don't look alike, no? De-nice, yes. I see that. You know, de-nice look like Nas a little like, no? D-Nice, yes. I see that. You know, D-Nice looks like, nah, a little bit. I see that, yeah, yeah. No?

No, no. No? I'm buggered. But D-Nice does look like Beasley. That's crazy. All right, that's what I am. That's crazy. Those light-skinned niggas, you fucking hobby shows niggas and shit like that.

Like, come on. But at the end of the day, like, they are the most ambitious league in this culture. They are the ones that's going to, like, I'm going to hit this milestone before you. I'm going to gravitate these numbers before you. They're doing that to the other leagues. And I'm not mad. Like, RBE, love RBE. I paid the most.

And you felt like after, like, the fights, you felt like they was trying. It kind of forced it. You deserved it at that time. It kind of forced something between us. Okay, that was real. I respect that. Because Smack had sponsors called Exclusive Vodka. When I popped on Jones.

Who's fucking up Exclusive Vodka? When I popped on Jones When I popped on Jones They said the vodka is not exclusive anymore That was 10 minutes before I met the owner Of exclusive vodka So he wasn't feeling it So I understand it But three and a half years

I damn near did a bid for a soul charge bro I gotta be honest with you. Yeah. As a person that does business, that's exactly the amount of time. You should be on timeout. It should be four or five. Three and a half is probably lucky

because... That's a fact. I had a shootout in front of... Did I say that? I didn't say that. Did I say that? What? Because that's a shot shootout Did I say that well, what is a shootout that happened in front of hot 97 running did I had nothing to do it? I was not there, right? Bang bang Very busy verse best verse ever spit in Foxy Brown's career bang bang so by the way I had nothing to do with that but I had to wait four years no I was on the

West Side Highway I didn't make it but what I'm trying to say is four years I had to fight that now that was the best Foxy Brown. Her verse was hard, wasn't it? Hardest. That was a battle rap. That was battle rap. And let me tell you something. No, no, no. Not only was this coming off of your solo joint, when I heard Bang Bang, I was like, it was just Brooklyn. Well, let me just tell you- Brooklyn was going to ride with Foxy. Shout out to Alchemist who produced it. I was like, it was just Brooklyn. But let me just tell you. Brooklyn was going to ride with Foxy.

Shout out to Alcum as a producer. I'm going to tell you what happened. It didn't matter that she was going against somebody else in Brooklyn. I'm going to tell you what happened. I'm going to tell you what happened. It was just like. I've never said this story. Man, you know what?

You're my friend that much, and I respect you that much. First, I'm going to reveal the story. I think I've revealed it slightly, but I'm going to reveal it in totality. Right. By the way, I've been in the studio with Foxy, like, years ago. She's crazy. She's crazy?

She's a talent, though. Around the time she was switching over to Bad Boy, and she was trying to make that happen. I didn't... I was there. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't. I was there. I didn't meet, I didn't, I didn't meet her and I was glad

because I never wanted her to sign the bad boy. Right. That was like a Kim thing. I feel you. Well, anyway, after what happened, whatever,

Quiet Storm is out. Mobb Deep. Mobb Deep. Which is, which is is the thing is we never intended on this to be a battle rap record why so remix with Kim I don't know what they intended that's what happened the Kim remix of that came out what happened was I had a beat from their people. Right. You know who did Bang Bang?

Alchemist. Alchemist. Yeah. Shout out to Alchemist. I was on the phone when it was today. So, I'm not intending, if you listen to our verse or my verse, I'm not dissing no one. Right. I'm actually dissing niggas from my borough.

Right. Listen to what I'll say. I'll say, bang, bang, niggas gang, gang, hey, hey. I keep long gas and big chains. I don't like having sex. I like brains. And smoke some blend fans with five in the range. And it's nothing for me to steal on your three.

I'm from left frack, 20 minutes from QB. I'm M.U. So you should just let us be. Or find yourself shot up in the hospital. There's nothing left rack 20 minutes from QB I'm a view to you suggest let us be a fire self shot up in the hospital nothing to do with anybody from nothing at all nothing nothing at all this is straight up me and mine but it's quickly and one is different right boom I don't remember Paul verse but then Foxy We could not listen to solo okay pause this video Go look a bang-bang

CNN featuring Fox and Foxy Brown and then come back and listen to the rest of the story. It's crazy. I'm going to be honest with you. When Fox spelled her first two verses, we looked at each other like, no. Because she was, listen, the verse that y'all got is great. Is it crazy or what?

There's two verses. We have it on real. I have it on real. What are you doing with it? I'm never going to put it out. I want to hear it, though. No, I would let her hear it first. Can I hear it?

No, I'm going to be honest. I would let her hear it first because, you know, because I think she would say to me, please don't put that out because we were young. We were 28 at the time. And the shit that she said, mind you, this is battle rap shit. This is the reason why I'm bringing it up. I've never brung it up to anybody else.

Like, you know, the shock value when she was saying shit like, and she was saying, but again, she was saying Brooklyn shit that might not should might not should have been aired out on us but she felt like battle lab shit but she felt like Kim did that with Mobb D so she just kept going in and in and in and I ain't gonna I'm telling you, the last verse that we picked was the least amount of disrespect. I mean, and people, there's wars that happen. She changed it because of you saying that?

No, she changed it because of our face. Yo, being a battle rapper, bro. Yeah. Listen, we didn't have the heart to say, Fox, change the verse. She looked at our face and she was like, all right, yeah, yeah, cool, cool, cool. Boom. And that third verse

when she kicked it, it was like, damn. And the only thing I did... And bro, the third verse is crazy. Yeah. No, I remember when he showed it to me before it ever came out of Hip Factory, he showed it to me.

Damn, I remember it was great. And you was like, listen to this, and I was like,, your memory is great. And I was, and you was, you was like, listen to this, and I was like, oh, this is crazy. But mind you, I... The battle rap,

this is where T-Rex was slamming his hat. But mind you, but help me, help me out, help me out, man. Help me out, man. I want you to tell me,

was I naive, was I stupid, or was I being fair? Naive, stupid, or being fair? That's your three choices. Cass, can you remember? Because you chose...

Naive, stupid, or being fair? I knew this verse, what it was. I chose to continue to let it go out. Did you pick the lightest verse? I picked the lightest verse, and I also called Puff Daddy, and I also called other people. Well, she picked the lightest verse, according to you. No, no.

For those who know. Oh, so she, you had three different versions. I had 99 bars. Oh, OK. So you, so you, you condensed it. Right. Excuse me. Let me, let me, let me, let me describe it better.

Because it was three different versions of it. Like, she did one. Okay. Boom. And we got out. She gave you different verses. She was like, that was it. Then she did it.

She said, fuck that. I'm going to do another one. Boom. And then she had one that she was already wrote. And I believe. She gave you the good, the bad, and the ugly. Yeah. And you decided what you wanted to pick.

I like it. I like your style. Yeah. And. And she left it wanted to pick. I like your style. Yeah. And? And she left it up to you. Damn, I feel like you're throwing it back on me. I mean. That's for sure.

She did. But just to show, if the one that you released was the lightest one. It was the lightest. Lightest. Lightest. But. I can't lie to you that was a dramatic session it was electric

because mind you we did have beef with Mark Deep not at that time at that time me and Mark Deep is great but as a people who had beef with you before, you always want to want out.

Yeah. Just being honest. That's a bad example. That's the crazy thing about it because I know y'all feel the same way, man. We feel the same way as these niggas. This is the reason why I know. I, yeah, our shit is over.

I did not. Let me just be clear. Let's be clear. We really clearly squashed the beef with Monty. Right. But when Fosse came, I came out of you. And she said that. I was like, oh, my God.

Damn. Yo, can I say something? This is why people watch Bill Rapp. We could potentially edit this. I mean, there's no reason there's no reason to edit it But when he showed me the verse He's you said he this is crazy And you looked at me

You were like and I was like, oh shit This goes cause some shit and you look like you still got every version I knew that we were witnessing history right there as well yeah I just want to post one version on my YouTube I'm so cool what Kim and Foxy now. Right. Is that I can't ever let that happen, but I will never let my memory die. But you know what's crazy about what you're saying? I will never let my memory die.

This is why battle rap exists. Yeah. That's a fantasy for us. Yeah, I see. Even the rappers that we watch throughout the years, it's like, okay, five dead or alive it's a fantasy in our minds like cookie what if you battle such as such he one thing that might be a little different is in y'all II I feel like every like this is um I asked me whether I asked Adrian Bronner and I asked Danny Garcia and I said yo

do you never look at people like your friends and they said never and to me that's how I think like battle rappers look at I feel like battle rappers

look at other artists and say he's never my friend nah nah I'ma tell you and for boxers it's probably the same way after you fight

y'all get closer. After Avery battled, I got closer. After John John, I got closer. After mad people that I battled, it was like the war's over. Right. And we became people like, if he was practicing for a battle, he would call me and be like, yo, what you think of this? You know what I mean?

Hard. So, for them, they couldn't because people didn't allow that. Yeah. But in battle rap, that's what it is. You're usually right after your last bar, on the last bar spit, it's like a weight lifted off of you. It's really like boxing. After boxing, after that, bell ring, you guys really just...

Unless you got knocked out. If you got knocked out, it's always going to hurt. It's always going to hurt. You're going to get knocked out. And they have to shake your hand after that. Yeah, exactly. Jeez, man. Yo, Math, I'm going to be honest with you, man.

I was so excited, man. I'm really still excited. Quick time with Sly. I'm really still excited. Huh? Quick time or slime? Quick time or slime. Quick time or slime. All right, y'all ready? Quick time or slime. I'm going to freestyle it. Are you ready?

I'm not going to be a dad. What are we doing? Quick time or slime. It's one or the other. I'm going to give you one choice or the other. All right? Okay, got it. All right, you ready?

Yeah. Nas or Hov? What's the time of? Hov. I'm from Brooklyn. Crazy. Nas or AZ? AZ.

Yeah, you went there for a while. Okay. Nicki or Cardi B? They're going to hate me. Cardi B. They gon' hate me, Cardi B. Lil Wayne or Drake? Drake. I love Lil Wayne, but that boy got a different type of ambition.

Okay, Murder Mook, Loaded Lungs? Mook. I kill Mook, though locks? Mook. I kill Mook though. Facts. Busta Rhymes or Missy Elliott? Busta, you crazy? Yo, Missy. Yo, I ain't gonna lie, yo.

You lost man weight. I seen how I look. I was like, whoa. I got homeboys that do that for a for a living there like they try to find that chick They work out they do all that but they really trying to find that chick I'm just saying Yeah, you see it. You see it, right? Yeah! All right, more power to you. The fade or the baldy?

I feel like the baldy wins. Tattoos or playing? Depending on what kind of lifestyle you're into. Okay. Ass or titties? Ass. Okay. Finger popping?

Thumb popping? What? Finger popping? Or ear ticking? Ear? What the? It's the landslide, right? One, two, three.

Finger popping! Hey, buddy boy. Space of thrice. Finger popping. Hey, buddy boy. Hey, buddy boy. Hey, buddy boy. Hey, buddy boy. Hey, buddy? One, two, three. Finger pop. Space and noise.

Big time. Holy moly guacamole. I freestyled this one. Yo, why you drinking water right now? I ran out of beer. You got lemon water. All right, let's do one more. That's lemon water?

Huh? That's lemon water? Yeah. I feel like that's something else in there don't Drink what else is in there? Are we going to um? Koyo taco. No, it's good. Uh, what time I thought what time you want to go to Koyo? I've been to you a coil taco in the little private room. It's a little crazy. I don't like it

You ever been in the private room, it's a little crazy. I don't like it. Bro, don't take us for me, bro. You ever been in a little private room in Koreataka? No, I haven't. No, they got a little dive bar there. Yeah, it's a little crazy. You don't want to. Is this dive bar? Like, is this dirty? It's sleazy?

No, they got weird nights. Weird nights? Different nights. What you mean? Like, they got a techno night. They got a reggae night, a techno night, a different nights. Okay, all right, cool. I'm learning how to cross that line because I'm trying to get a deal.

No, you got to be careful. Let me just say something about Miami. Miami, you can go to any party you want. Right. But you got to be careful because you might not want to be in a party you in. So you got to be careful. It's just like New York, though. No, New York you can pretty much recognize from the Timberlands.

You in Manhattan? No, no, Timberlands I can recognize from anywhere. If I go to Manhattan and there's no Timberlands in there, I already know what's going on. When I say Lofas, I already know. I already know. I pretty much know when people don't got no socks on and they're not Dominican, I'm like, oh, shit.

If they're Dominican, I don't be alarmed. But if they got no socks on and they're not Latino, I'm like, wait a minute. A lot of wide shoulders. Yo, Alfred and Todd, I'm watching you, Alfred. Give your speech. Give your speech. Give the speech. Alfred and Todd?

Alfred and Todd. Alfred and Todd. Who's Alfred and Todd? Those are his buddies he hang out with. You got to make it to where- And give your speech bro. I did make it. Alfred and Todd is very watch them niggas. You got to watch them niggas because I done pulled out guns on these niggas.

You got to relax. You got to relax. Salute. Salute niggas. All right, let's take a picture. All right, all relax. Salute. Salute, nigga. All right, let's take a picture. All right, all right. All right.

Holy moly guacamole. Yeah, I want to say shout out to Noriega. Yes. I committed so much crime to his music. Don't commit suicide, please. Oh, man. Yeah, but, Matt, I just want to pick you up, Matt, one more time, man. You're an honorable person.

You're a real person. I watched you for years. I watched you take the stairs. A lot of people take the elevators. A lot of people take the escalators. Elevators, escalators. It's hard work. As long as you get up there.

It's hard work. Just understand it. I don't mean the escalate, you know, it was that's not escalate. That's not called escalate I've seen you take the stairs facts Thanks, were they moving? No. No. The elevator went down because they didn't want to see me run. Oh, so it was the escalators. And the escalators and the stairs.

I've seen them shits go the other way for you. And you know what? I've seen you stand tall. And for that, everybody here should admire it. Everybody in Dusseldorf, Germany should admire it. Everybody in Sydney, Australia should admire it. Salute. Flawless and right now I'm just saying places I've been at.

Just throw Shane out. Shanghai. Where's that? Japan or China? China. Whatever that shit is. That's China. Shanghai. Everybody in... Hanoi.

Tokyo, Japan. I've been to Okinawa. You've been to Okinawa. Moscow. Japan. I've been to Moscow. I've been to Moscow. I've been to Okinawa. You've been to Okinawa. Moscow. I've been to Moscow. I've been to St. Petersburg. That was the most racist place we've ever been in our lives.

You've been to the most racist place and they looked at you and said, you're not even white. He had a white beard on. It's very true. They knew I was Cuban. They said, you Cuban, B. This is the first time.

I said, I can't pass. I can't pass. I don't know why you like that Cuban generals, B. You like that. You know, like. I seen them niggas in the documentaries. I'm like, yeah, like. Like that Cuban generals.

But, Matt, I cannot conclude this podcast. I cannot create this podcast. Right. Without saying how much I admire what you did from do just a rapper to a battle rapper To a black one that makes songs and even one time you try to offer me the writers my mom. I say you You gotta relax Alright rounds for you You got to relax. I'm in the studio with you. I'm in the studio with you. Yes, my nigga. I love him. He tried to over off that map.

I don't know, man. You know, he ain't doing this. I respected that. I respected that. But let me just say something. From you being regular artist, battle artist, to rapper, to a person doing it on music and continue to do what you got to do. Reading an industry.

And then throughout this all, throughout this all, when everybody's like, battle rap is gone, whatever, he created this show that I personally tune in as much as I can. Shout out to Misfit. Because I just like, I like,

that's exactly what I need. Like, I need a 45 to an hour, like, what happened? That's what happened. All right, cool. Boom. If it's 115, I need 45 to an hour. Like, what happened? That's what happened? All right, cool. Boom. If it's 115, I'll just press pause.

And I know I'll go back. Whenever I go back, just 15. Shout out to knowledge you got. Boom. And I do it. And I really, really appreciate how you cover battle rap, how you are a person from battle rap, and you are the new FUBU,

you are for them, you are FLIL them. F them, for them, and bid them. F-M-B them, for them, and by them. That's FUBULUBLUBLU. FUBULUBLUBLU. FUBULUBLUBLU. And guess what? F going to support that clothing line i'm going to smoke that watch line i'm going to support when you put it on the hat i'm going to support whatever you do because you know why like if it's coming from you i want me in perspective i want me in honor and i want a million percent know that it's coming from a real genuine

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