Drink Champs - Episode 231 w/ Nature & Agallah

Episode Date: October 9, 2020

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today’s episode The Champs chop it up with Nature and Agallah.Having careers that span over 20 years our guests share their journey in Hip-Hop. Looking... up to Hip-Hop royalty MC Shan, Nature shares how the Queens legend was influential early on in his career. Nature shares how DJ Clue gave him the opportunity to appear on the iconic "Clue Tapes". His appearances gained him recognition which would eventually lead to his involvement in The Firm, the hip-hop super group which also featured NaS, Foxy Brown, AZ & Cormega.Once featured in The Source Magazine "Unsigned Hype"  Agallah quickly gained the attention of more than a dozen records labels. As an artist/producer Agallah has worked with legendary Hip-Hop artists like Sean Price, PMD (of EPMD), DJ Premier, Cam'ron etc. During their time under Game Records, Agallah & Nature were featured in Rockstar Games iconic video game "Grand Theft Auto III"Make some noise!!!Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.comFollow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:34 called it like current events. He was on the clue tape being disrespectful and letting you know who won in basketball, who won, like he was keeping up with the current events. The man has kept, he signed the track master, signed the Nas, done business with the biggest people in the world. The man is still here, still repping that QB. Still going hard, still with the hardest bars in the world. You just got to tell him he on a record
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Starting point is 00:04:17 QB original, right? What block are we talking about? QB, 10th Street? 10th Street. 10th Street, okay. All right, that is technically the hill, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, the store, the block that got the stores in.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Right, yeah, yeah. The only block that got the stores in. No, no, I mean, everyone got a supermarket, too. The other 10th Street. The other 10th Street. And Vernon, Vernon, that's Chico from the pub. That was considered Vernon, right? Yeah, but I mean, there's technically no stores on the block.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Oh, I just like the bar. That's how you know I'm not a hooligan. That's how you know I'm not a hooligan. Jump back, jump back. Yeah, I put you at the bar. I put you at the bar. It, I just realized it's a bar. This ain't no alcoholic. I just realized it's a bar. Jump back, jump back, y'all. I told you that's a bar. I told you the bar was a grocery store in my mind. Go ahead. Well, go ahead. So, Tim Street, all right, let's take it from there.
Starting point is 00:04:50 You know, we don't pop bottles with Ace for everybody, but you are a very special guy. So, you know what I'm saying? We're going to pop a bottle of Ace with motherfucking Ace. Is that okay? Is that okay? Is that okay? Tell me, you know. All right, so continue.
Starting point is 00:05:02 So, let's take it from the beginning. When did you start rhyming? Oh, I was just trying to get it right. I was just trying to get it right. I was just trying to get it right. I was just trying to get it right. okay? Is that okay? Is that okay? So let's take it from the beginning. When did you start rhyming? Oh, I started rhyming since a kid, man. I was a dude that just loved every record and I would just change the words of the records. You know what I mean? Make my own little records. You like doing your own little things. Yeah, I was working. They'd make my own little records over here. You know what I mean? And in my house, we had record players.
Starting point is 00:05:28 They wasn't turntables. I was treating them like turntables because I was like, you know, my pops had a lot of records at the time. You was a DJ too, basically.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Yeah, I would try my little, I would mess up a lot of needles and shit like that and blame it on my brothers. Do you remember? What was your DJ name? In your mind. I didn't really have a DJ
Starting point is 00:05:42 in my mind. Oh, that's a good question. I didn't really have a, you know, I don't really know. But I was like, I love the blends. I love the, you know what I mean? So rap was like real easy to me. It was like, yo, that was the shit. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:05:56 I didn't really have no name yet. I was like, that was the hard part. Like, damn, can you make your name and shit like that. But, you know what I mean? Hip hop, just hip-hop. Because for me, it was like, I did a little bit of all of it. I was the kid that could do the graffiti.
Starting point is 00:06:11 He was all hip-hop all around. Yeah, I could spin on my... Did you just sing Rasta music, too? Nah, no Rasta music. We didn't have no Rasta music. But, you know, when hip-hop was becoming some shit, you know, we didn't know who... I didn't know if I was going to be the DJ, the rapper, the b-boy, the whole shit. But I embodied all of that shit.
Starting point is 00:06:34 And then I, cool, salute, salute, salute, salute, salute, not shots yet, this is just regular cheers. So, alright. Boom. Now, all right. Boom. Now, when you started rhyming, who was the people from the Queensbridge that was on? Who was your, like,
Starting point is 00:06:50 people you looked up to? See, when we came up, we always had, like, Marley Marles, right? Marley Marles was the dude in DJ Hot Day. Hot Day. Hot Day was the dude
Starting point is 00:07:03 that was, like, he'd bring the speakers out. was like He bring the speakers out When he bring the speakers out Everybody start coming around And you know It becomes the party Right So we used to use
Starting point is 00:07:11 The park Queensbridge was right Across the street From this big park So Marley Marl And these dudes It used to be nothing
Starting point is 00:07:19 To come outside And see The MC Shands The Juice Crew The Juice Crew The Juice Crew Was the niggas, right? So it would be like Coogee Rap. You talking about hanging outside?
Starting point is 00:07:30 These guys was walking around with Big Rock. I heard Rock Kim did Check Out My Melody. He recorded that. One of those. Big Daddy Kane and all these niggas. Outside. Going to the store like, holy shit. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:45 But it was so dope because videos wasn't the shit. So if you reach to the point where somebody's like, yo, that's such and such, it's because, yeah, you know, you're not supposed to be like,
Starting point is 00:07:56 who's them niggas over there? Especially if you had the jukebox. If you ain't had the jukebox, if you ain't had that $1.25, the watch ain't no half-stepping, you might not know this. Okay, okay. Continue.
Starting point is 00:08:04 But we used to have these jams in the park. You know what I'm saying? River Park. Yeah. River Park. So, you know, at any given time there was like forming some shit in front of me.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Like it was like the MC Shands, the Craig G's, the, uh, Roxanne Shante. How old are you around that time? I'm a young dude. They all older than me,
Starting point is 00:08:22 but I was the dude That was Watching these shows In the park From the tree branch No exaggeration Like I know that If I'm too short To stand right here And they gonna just
Starting point is 00:08:32 Move me out the way And shit like that And I know that If I move from this tree branch I'm not gonna see the show But I'm watching hip hop Live From the beginning
Starting point is 00:08:41 Like You know what I'm saying It was like Holy shit These niggas Going stage So let me ask you a question. So when Shan said,
Starting point is 00:08:47 hip-hop, started out in the park, you thought that he really, that it really started out there? Yeah, I've never been over nowhere else. So I'm like, it's right here. We did this shit.
Starting point is 00:08:55 You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? These guys was dope, but they was like, you didn't, like I said, there was no video, so you guys like,
Starting point is 00:09:03 loved this music right here. And the only way you could get it was through the radio. I believe you. Through a Friday or Saturday night, through a,
Starting point is 00:09:13 you know what I mean, having the radio and taping this shit and I was the guy that would the next day be playing songs like, yeah, you ain't got this shit
Starting point is 00:09:20 right here, nigga. You know, the only reason why I didn't, I did believe Shan, but the only reason why I didn't, I did believe Shan, but the only reason why I had cousins always
Starting point is 00:09:27 from the Bronx that would debate that immediately and be like, no, it didn't come from there. But to tell you the truth, Queensbridge was the first people that was actually doing parties
Starting point is 00:09:36 on the Queens side. So I could see where, you know, Shan thought that and I could see where other people from Queens, because, you know, what were they called?
Starting point is 00:09:44 Jams, you just said that earlier. They were the Jams and Shan, MC Shan right? Big up to MC Shan by the way, he's been trying to get on Big Chance and listen Shan we are not avoiding you at all. We got you, we got you. But what I'm saying was, Shan was the first person I seen that had style. He had like two different color Pumas. He had big Kangos. He had rope chains.
Starting point is 00:10:07 He was like, even though, you know, when the shit went on with KRS-One and talking about him and all that sort of shit, but he would walk around and have the Audi and he was the definition
Starting point is 00:10:18 of what a star was. I didn't know what anything sold. He might not have ever made any money from no records, but if you looked at MC Shin, at his time, he was what we wanted to be. He was the man.
Starting point is 00:10:31 He was the man. Sham was the man at the time. Still the man. And he did a lot for us. Yes, he did. Because he was with things in Queensbridge and we're in the trip at all. So, okay, so you looked up to, all right, now, boom. Now, what is the point where you said to yourself,
Starting point is 00:10:45 I'm going to actually do this professionally? Because me, personally, I rhymed for a long time. I rhymed probably since I was 11. But I never thought of doing it professionally until I was like that. For me, I still was, even when we was doing these clue tapes, right, I still didn't really. What? Don't say this.
Starting point is 00:11:04 You didn't take it serious? No, no, no. I didn't take it serious, but I still didn't understand what it takes to probably shape an album. I still didn't understand how to do... I'm doing clue tapes not really knowing how to count bars. I just
Starting point is 00:11:22 know that my bars was kind of fire, you know? I don't know. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So I didn't know as far as thinking about the bars. But you can't skip how you're getting on
Starting point is 00:11:32 Clue Tips to start with. No, no, no. You definitely skipped the way up. So it had to be a moment prior to that that you said, yo, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:39 I think I could do this. Like, what was that moment? I mean, because at the time, dudes was establishing names for themselves, right. After you already had the wave of the Marlies and all these other things, it kind of went quiet for a minute.
Starting point is 00:11:54 We're still in school. I'm learning about who's dope that's around me. The word has spread throughout the hood and through school who's dope. You'll start walking Across the street To the other side
Starting point is 00:12:07 And hear I heard something such Is kind of dope You know what I mean It might not be An official battle But you might go Want to hear
Starting point is 00:12:14 What's going on Because people are talking You know what I'm saying And I just knew that I didn't really write rhymes But I could catch it Anything Like I could catch style I anything. I could catch style.
Starting point is 00:12:26 I know how to change the words, so I can catch anything he threw at me. So anytime dudes was kind of like, the names was building up, I might could say a little bit of something that I had. It might not be a full rhyme, but my rhyme might have been like, like I said, whoo. Your name starts getting put in these circles.
Starting point is 00:12:42 I'm still not thinking about taking it serious. It's still like, I still had to go through the trials and tribulations your name starts getting put in these circles. I'm still not thinking about taking it serious. It's still like, I still had to go through the trials and tribulations of the hood before I even could get to that. You know what I'm saying? People didn't know me as a rapper. Certain dudes in the school, like, you know who's who, who could carry, who had some balls.
Starting point is 00:13:01 But I wasn't, like, it was dudes before me. It was like the, the Cole Megas and all of that, you know what I mean? It was these guys that was putting in work on the street, like,
Starting point is 00:13:09 on some real shit. Right. But, my name was always mentioned in those circles. Right. But still, I wasn't the first,
Starting point is 00:13:16 first guy you talked about, or the second guy you talked about, but. It's circulating. Yes. Right. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:13:24 So, all right. Now, you did, it's circulating yes right you know what I mean so um alright now now what was the person in the new era that you started to I know you said what was the person
Starting point is 00:13:33 that swapped you to say you know what I can do this the new era Funk Queens Bridge or anywhere it could be from anywhere well I ain't even gonna
Starting point is 00:13:40 frontage to you know what I mean it was it was when the talks of money being made when we actually making records when he was actually talking about doing an album called the firm it was like hey this guy from the hood my gosh from the hood that we kind of we didn't
Starting point is 00:14:11 How did you meet John that's weird that was the condition connection, right? Yeah. All right, let's go. Yeah, I mean We just vibed out I just connect early. Um It was like Exciting for me to actually go from the transition from recording in people's cribs to go to the studio. So, with Fucking With Jung, Jung had the opportunity for us to actually go in the studio. So, this is the first time I'm actually hearing how- But how did Jung know you rhyme?
Starting point is 00:14:38 I mean, we all were mutual friends. We were all from the process. Jung was from Vernon. Jung was from Vernon. Jungle's from Vernon. And for people that don't know Queensbridge, I know that is the next block. Vernon and Tim Street would be the next block. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:51 And Tim Street and Charles Street would be the next block. That one little block is a whole fucking other world. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So how did he know you were on Tim Street and he's from Vernon? No, I think it was probably, like, my dude Killer, and probably dudes like Wiz, and dudes that... Wait, Killer from Vernon?
Starting point is 00:15:10 Killer from my block. Oh, okay, well... But, you know what I mean? It was an association at the time when Nas was... When Nas first came out with his album, the guys that was around him were also around me. Wow. And you rhymed back then or no?
Starting point is 00:15:28 Yeah, I rhymed. When Illmatic came out, you already rhymed? Yeah, I rhymed. I ain't gonna lie, you got me, man. You got me. I rhymed, but I was not serious until Illmatic came out. When Illmatic came out, I said, I got to get my life together. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:15:44 For real. We've had plenty of conversations prior to making records, me and Nas. We sat there and we talked. I remember borrowing his Tropical Quest tape. Tropical Quest came out, and I actually borrowed his tape. Hold on, hold on. You're getting way too hot on us right now. This is the point. This is the point. Nas is famous. Yeah, man. What getting way too pop on us right now. Wait a minute. We will brand this dude as famous. Yeah, man. What?
Starting point is 00:16:07 This is a legendary story. He came back to the crib to get the tape. That's how good. Like, you know, we borrowed tape. Give me my tape back. The tribal quest tape.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Nah, if I'm lying, real talk. You know what I'm saying? So we were like, this shit was always around us. You remember the name of the album it was? All right, just do it. was Just to my favorite my favorite
Starting point is 00:16:31 Instincts travel are people's instinct travel. What's that's the name? You got to have a bone. You got to have a bone. You got to have a bone. I mean, so we're around this shit. We love this shit. You know what I'm saying? So you're saying, all right, because I didn't know this. I swear to God, I did not know this. So you knew Nas and Jungle prior to them even. Yeah, really, really Nas because Nas is most of my age. Wow.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Jungle's younger. That's right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, at the time, I That's right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, at the time, I'm fucking up. You know what I'm saying? I'm fucking doing all kind of shit, getting in trouble and shit like that. And the guys that's around are saying,
Starting point is 00:17:13 you know what? I got somebody that I got faith in too. Somebody from the block that I think that we should kind of like bring them to the studio and try to do some shit. Are they talking about you or they took my now you're talking about me you know I say they talk about me so they get me to the studio we start recording oh I don't remember probably was a shot
Starting point is 00:17:35 out DJ cool that very first shootout joins probably was that was like one of the first records I ever made like that so So they brought me to the studio. You got a sip over here when you salute. Oh, right, right, right. I'll try it again. One more time, one more time. One more time, one more time. Sorry, it's his fault. It's his fault. It's his fault.
Starting point is 00:17:52 So we went into the studio, and we should have started making little freestyles, right? Clue made it open because he gave us the opportunity to go get on these tapes Right But I'm still not really Taking it serious It's like
Starting point is 00:18:07 Because everybody's On their way up There's nobody that's really You know what I'm saying It's kind of different When you're men Like when you spend time With somebody from small
Starting point is 00:18:17 And they become famous You're still my man From when we little I'm supposed to still Be my man Certain things change in life We totally understand that. But at that one point,
Starting point is 00:18:28 do I look at you as like that? Because I got plenty of stories of like why you're becoming this star. We're still right here. And if you're my man, I'm playing different roles for you. I ain't gonna lie, Nate. You should have took that serious.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Nah, but I didn't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I didn't know. Yo, I didn't know. Until I see all these other rappers. Like I told you, serious These other rap I told you I was coming from being locked up and so I remember that so I didn't really care about Cuz who was big in the Yeah, but I didn't realize that clue was giving me the opportunity to be first or second on these tapes. I used to hate it. I used to think, who is this nigga?
Starting point is 00:19:08 Why do they got the tapes? You know what I'm saying? And me and the locks and shit like that. So these dudes is becoming something and they had these expectations of me. I didn't know
Starting point is 00:19:16 because I'm following my team's lead. So they talking about forming some big shit that's going on. Who's the team at the time? Who's talking for you as far as management? I'm coming into the game,
Starting point is 00:19:32 into the studio still being a part of Nas. So whatever he's trying to form, I'm not sure what he's trying to form, but I'm a part of that. You know what I'm saying? So we running around, they talking about doing a firm and he's picking
Starting point is 00:19:45 these other rappers that i've never known met before but you heard of they're becoming they're becoming stars they're their own people in their own right but i was pulled into this game because of as a reaction it's okay let's take a shot before we go there. I feel like you want to go there. Let's go there. Nah, we're going to talk about whatever, but it's so... It's not like your typical shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because I...
Starting point is 00:20:13 Let's... The... Hold on, hold on. Let me finish going. Let me bring it back a little bit. Calm me down. Because when I was doing these clue joints... I'm ready to go.
Starting point is 00:20:24 I'm recording these clue joints. Every time crew. Because when I was doing these Clue joints, I'm ready to go. I'm recording these Clue joints every time Clue comes out, I'm on his tapes, right? But how did you even get to the Clue joints, though? Because Clue was kind of, because Clue was in-house with Steve Stout
Starting point is 00:20:37 and with their building. And you're running with them, so it's just... But I'm still not... I'm still... And at this time, let me just cut off because you have one second. At this time, But I'm still not, I'm still, I'm not. And at this time, let me just cut off, because you're one second, at this time,
Starting point is 00:20:49 I still can't describe the buzz that Clue had, like the amount that it meant for you to be on number one through five. People getting signed up for Clue Tings, period. So at first, I described it when I met you, but when I didn't meet you, I think the first freestyle you had was just you by yourself. So no one knew your affiliation.
Starting point is 00:21:08 No one knew that. Then it was the second freestyle when Nas actually said some ad-libs or something. I don't remember perfectly. But I remember how much that shit meant to the city. Salud, hold on. No, no, no, nigga. The shot. The shot.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Let's stay focused. I didn't even know. Look how big of my shot is, nigga. Wow. Salud. Salud. Stay focused. This is to you, nature, nigga. Drink chance, nigga. Man. Look at the shot the shot is stay focused So so what's happening the feds What's happening? Okay, okay, okay. What's going on?
Starting point is 00:21:50 Oh, gosh, gosh. All right, all right. So, um... Um, all right. So we start doing the clue take. Yeah. First one, the second one, then... So you don't actually know what's going on because the
Starting point is 00:22:07 firm had already been started at that time it had already been started okay and i'm not really being so i'm not talking about business when it comes down to that i'm basically the the the guy the shooter i'm still trying to figure out what kind of who i am what kind of style i have. I just know that Clue is, after I do this tape, I'm getting a response
Starting point is 00:22:29 from the people. You know what I'm saying? So it's a little bit bigger from going from rapping on the corner, so I went from rapping on the corner to rapping in people's cribs
Starting point is 00:22:36 in the living rooms in the basements to now going to the studio and actually getting a good sounding shit. You know what I'm saying? And leaving with tapes and shit like that. And so the people in the hood
Starting point is 00:22:47 is actually starting to talk. They're starting to talk. I'm becoming another one of those names that's from the hood. You got so many names. You're doing this freestyle? This is as these, you know. In fact, just being in the studio
Starting point is 00:22:59 and just doing that already is going to start getting you buzzed. Not even just being in the studio. Being affiliated with Son. Right. Because he didn't really start to do anything for anybody yet. Outside of Life's a Bitch, he didn't really,
Starting point is 00:23:13 he didn't, you know, he's still climbing up on his way up. But to actually hear that, yo, he got somebody from the hood that's, that can actually rap and, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:23:24 You know what I'm saying? And I'm not one of the first people. I don't know what the relationship that he has with Mega or what he has with all these other guys, but I just know that everybody that,
Starting point is 00:23:33 that hung around was kind of old to one kind of crew old. You know what I'm saying? One kind of crew. I didn't understand business. I didn't understand this, but I know that I've been
Starting point is 00:23:42 listening to rap for so long that I could do this shit too. You know what I'm saying? So what happened when they approached you? Was it Steve Stout? Was that the first person to turn it into business for you? Yeah, because that's the first people that I actually got checked from. So shout out to Steve Stout.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Make some noise for Steve Stout. Shout out to Steve Stout. Shout out to them. You know what I mean? Shout out to them. They're the ones that actually was like... It's not like you had to them. Shout out to them. Shout out to them. They the ones that actually was like- It's not like you had to deal. They put you on the clue tapes without you actually signing to them. Yes.
Starting point is 00:24:12 That's crazy. That's all. Nobody didn't know what was happening with these clue tapes. I just know that when I was going to go see my PO on Jamaica Ave- Your PO knew. My PO fucking, we going to the record store in one of these little small ass record stores and that's when you actually would buy the tape
Starting point is 00:24:28 just because of certain names was on it. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't realize that people was buying it because my name was on it. So I was meeting these people like, oh shit.
Starting point is 00:24:37 At the time, you was almost like Ghostface Killer when I say that. So I bought the hat. People didn't really know the scene. I bought the cowboy hat.
Starting point is 00:24:44 The cowboy hat. You know where niggas from the hood make it, I've seen it. I've heard that scene. I bought the cowboy hat. The cowboy hat? You know where the niggas from the hood make it. They get their deal. You know who got it there when they get a cowboy hat. Cowboy hat. I definitely had a cowboy hat. I definitely had a cowboy hat. He did.
Starting point is 00:24:53 I definitely had a cowboy hat. Let's make some noise for the cowboy hat. Go ahead. So all right, cool. Fuck it. Let's just get into it I think the first time I met you Was in the studio
Starting point is 00:25:08 Larry J. Blige Finn Fatale Let me tell you something Hold on hold on Before you get there Alright I always heard about This guy
Starting point is 00:25:22 But I never was around This guy right here Right I knew Capone, because Capone was from Queensbridge. So, in the middle of me getting locked up and doing dumb shit, these guys happened to shoot a video
Starting point is 00:25:36 on the roof of my building. These guys didn't see it. The LA video was shot on the, you know, on the roof of my building. So I see these guys up there and all that, but I didn't meet them. I still didn't meet them, you know what I'm saying? There was still this guy that had this awkward style nobody didn't know, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:25:55 They thought his name was Jose Luis. That's not your name? I didn't know. I don't know. I don't know. But to this day, that's real. But you know, I'm just saying. But you know, your shot. You took the other shot.
Starting point is 00:26:06 There better be a new one. Come on, brother. You're my mahala, baby. I'm all in. So, is this your art show about celebrating our legends? It's about celebrating nature, goddamn it. And by the way, is that good story of Sir Rock? I mean, what about Sir Rock?
Starting point is 00:26:20 Woo. Woo. Oh, I fake shit. I fake it. Fuck. it Oh my god So this guy right here is making his rounds I'm still a fan of what's going on And it wasn't until around the time When we was actually doing the firm
Starting point is 00:26:35 That We was thrown in a pot together So it was like I've never been nowhere So my first time in Miami Might have been his first time in Miami. Definitely. We didn't have no driver's license. We were just out here smoking weed and hanging around the fellas and Dre and these niggas and shit like that.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Yo, but hold on. I'm saying the very first time was before that, though. But where was we at? It wasn't a downright track. Right track. It was with us, Mary J. Blige. When that record came out. So this is what I got to ask.
Starting point is 00:27:05 I got to ask, because I know you probably answered this a million times. I'm sure, you know, Megan probably answered it a million times. But here's the deal. On that record, that was the record that you went at, Micah? Yeah. That was the record. I had heard that he was
Starting point is 00:27:21 a gag guy. No, no, no, please. I had somebody bullshit gas me up, told No, no, please. I had somebody Bullshit gas me up told me you know, he's talking about you. You know, they talking about you and they shitting on you When he said they So that's what happened. Yeah. Okay, all right, so you're saying that when you got to the studio, when you got to the studio, people were saying that, or people were saying that prior to you getting to the studio? Prior to me getting to the studio.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Okay, all right, that makes sense, because you know why? Because I'm the only one that went left field on that record. Yo, listen, listen to me. I was there. I was there. Yo. Yo, Mary J. Blimey got me. So here's the deal.
Starting point is 00:28:05 I went to the, I don't know, I think I went, I was too scared to use the interns at this time, so I actually went to the store or something myself to go grab some more cigars. Like, I didn't know how the studio worked, I just wanted to rhyme. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't want to push nobody's buttons,
Starting point is 00:28:18 but by the time I came back, and when I heard, I heard your rhyme, I had thought, this this is you cleared up a 20 year history for me for me personally because I'm on the record
Starting point is 00:28:30 and prior to that I didn't see them trying to gas you I didn't see the people I didn't see Nas I didn't see Jungle I didn't see Steve Stout
Starting point is 00:28:39 like I took a shot yeah so suggesting that you go at Manga right so I didn't see that. So as I came back, you know, I've been having my rhyme ready. But then when I heard your rhyme, I don't know, I think you went first for sure.
Starting point is 00:28:54 And I just didn't know where did it come from. Where it came from, right? Where it came from, okay. I'm fucking, we did the fucking joint. Because your story sounds like Ben Bleak's story with Nas. I heard that. I heard that. I knew that I was going out of town.
Starting point is 00:29:06 I heard, yo, this guy's talking about you. He said such and such. They even told me some bullshit. Whatever. I'm sorry to cut you. I'm sorry to stop you. But at the time,
Starting point is 00:29:15 you wasn't the member of the firm yet. You was just this guy. Yeah, but I felt like they made me feel like I was in competition for this. For that position? Yeah, they made me feel like I was in competition for this. Now when you say they, they made me feel like I was in competition for this.
Starting point is 00:29:26 You know, the power's that beat. I got it. The power's that beat. So I hear this shit. I'm tight as a motherfucker. We go to the studio. We got everybody in there, Clues, Mary, everybody in there. And I just decided to just use this record right here to do to start some bullshit
Starting point is 00:29:48 Now I'm not even going I mean it's over come on I don't know it was a whole bunch of shit It was a it was a record that had so much of us I don't think because it was so crazy that even when they blocked out Megan's name You still knew it was not because if she start talking at that time she starts all day He said his name is this yeah, what was the last play? Come on, you know, no, no, it's family It was not because the she stopped talking at that time she starts You got some shit too. You got it going on? You don't want to go? It's okay. You got some shit. You know what? I got everybody's number, man. I got shit. You don't even know
Starting point is 00:30:27 what my next down number is. So that was it. That was it. And that was just enough for me, I thought, at the time, to speak my piece. Right?
Starting point is 00:30:35 Right. So when I speak my piece, I knew I'm going out of town. I just thought about it. I just did it and didn't think about it. So once I fucking, I went to L.A.
Starting point is 00:30:43 I had to go to L.A. like two days after that. And this is where you talk about the L.A. So when to go to L.A. like two days after that. And this is where you talk about the L.A. So when I go to L.A., when I go to L.A., I get the call, Clue just came out, son.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Oh my God. It's on. Soon as you get back, it's on. So I'm like, what? You know what I'm saying? I'm still going through it blind because I didn't feel
Starting point is 00:31:02 that I was the aggressor. I felt that I was defending myself. I felt that, yo, somebody took a shot, I'm going to take a shot back. This is what we do. This is what we do. You know what I mean? It still was nothing personal. We're just like, I'm feeling myself.
Starting point is 00:31:16 We both in this spot, but we didn't really know. And you never questioned your peoples that was telling you that they had to strike out on you? I loved going to the studio. I didn't think about that. It was like, oh, you said it. It's true. That's it. It's true.
Starting point is 00:31:27 It's true. But I, and this is, like I said, I got Mega. He's on standby, too, in this case. But, and this is real shit. The thing about it is, we can only change our future. Our past is our past.
Starting point is 00:31:38 We got to live up to our past, right? Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course.
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Starting point is 00:31:43 Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Like all of us Like there's so much shit I don't wanna What I The shit I did I didn't do You know what I mean Now it's not about Shoulda woulda But I mean That's the shit that happened
Starting point is 00:31:49 And that was my mind state I felt like Nah nobody's gonna Take this away from me This is my first time Actually Flying out of state This is my actually
Starting point is 00:31:57 Getting this big check You know what I mean I'm buying around I'm still in the hood It's like when you hear When you got your check You're still Niggas like
Starting point is 00:32:04 I'm still buying crack I'm still selling crack I'm on a train your check, you're still a nigga. I'm still buying crack. I'm on a train with $40,000, $50,000 in my pocket. Like, doom-doom. You know what I'm saying? You're going to change my life, for real. You know what I'm saying? Real shit.
Starting point is 00:32:17 I got $40,000 in my pocket. Real shit. Real shit. That's what's out there on the train. One more shot. Real shit, real shit. That's what's out there in the church. I'm in there with the money, though, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:32:30 Yeah. So I felt like I had to protect that, you know what I mean? It was never none personal or none, but I felt like, yeah, you ain't
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Starting point is 00:37:07 I thought actually you got gas. I thought, or like, or not you got gas or somebody gassed you to say that. Let me tell you that.
Starting point is 00:37:15 I'm not, I was never known as the hustler or the crack seller. So my name was never going to be like, oh, you heard your nature out there like that.
Starting point is 00:37:23 They didn't even really know. Some people were still calling me by my real name. You got the dopest real name in the world. By the way, his real name sounds like a superhero. Jermaine Baxter. It sounds like a nigga just put on a cape and just like, you turn. Listen, the superhero's nature, but when you go to work, it's your main Baxter. That's hard.
Starting point is 00:37:46 I even gave you the slob name with that. Your main Yaxter. Your main Yaxter. Buckethead. So out of all of the dudes that I probably met in the game throughout my whole career, the most genuine dude has been this guy. That's been my guy. So our stories are so intertwined.
Starting point is 00:38:02 It's like he's asking me questions that he probably knows. No, you know you know not all but you know i mean but that's how we win as far as on that side so right we're becoming notorious on the streets as far as the clue they putting us together and then all of a sudden boom the relationship between Sun and Mega falls out so when that relationship this is the part that's important not only important to me but important to the audience because at that moment
Starting point is 00:38:37 was it you felt obligated to say you know what this is my team they put me in this position let me take that. Let me take that. So it's like when Charles Barkley or somebody gets traded to a next team and you're with that next team, you
Starting point is 00:38:51 want to elbow the next team. So that's basically what it was. This is the guy. Right. Right? What had happened is... This is the guy that is basically changing your life, right? He has the opportunity to change your life, right? Meaning Nas, right?
Starting point is 00:39:07 But he's going through such a transition that I can't be with him every day. So somehow I'm getting connected more and more every day with Jungle, right? Right. Because it's the same, you know, when it's time to be somewhere, it's still coming down the chain of the command.
Starting point is 00:39:26 We didn't sign papers to say, hey, and this is where you come into play. We never signed papers to say, hey, you're going to be my manager or this and that. We've become brothers. And at the same time, he's forming a bond with you. So we both have the same manager or same guy at the same time. So,
Starting point is 00:39:48 it's only right that me and you start bonding. But mind you, I'm older than you guys. Right. You know what I mean? Right.
Starting point is 00:39:53 But we all for the same shit. You guys have a name before me. Right. So, I'm still a fan. I don't know,
Starting point is 00:40:00 no matter what, I still quote your first shit on you because I'm a fan of this. But we're becoming brothers now because we all are locked in together. Right. Goddamn, I still quote your first shit on you because I'm a fan of this. But we're becoming brothers now because we all are locked in together. Goddamn, I think that's a deserved shot, man.
Starting point is 00:40:10 You know what I'm saying? Goddamn, goddamn. So what happened is, fucking with track masters, they designed the Bearsville situation. Oh, that's later. Hold on, you're going too far. But this is how it happens.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Keep up with me, y'all. Keep up. Look at the shot. Keep up with me. It's done, it's done. All right, you're going too far. But this is how it happens. Keep up with me, y'all. Keep up. Look at the shot. Keep up with me. It's done. It's done. All right? Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:29 All right. All right. So look. Go ahead. So after this comes out, because Bearsville was after that, right? Yeah, Bearsville was before any... That was like right before The Firm.
Starting point is 00:40:39 Mm-hmm. And that's when I was starting my solo album. Mm-hmm. Okay. All right, let's just describe crazy Beardsville was, man. Let's describe how crazy. Like, yo. I never seen no shit like this.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Like I said, I'm still counting the places I'm going. I'm still new, fairly. I'm still hood. I'm still rough around the edges. And they put this, they designed it where we could go to the studio in the woods. You can't leave. There's no stores. Anything you need is catered to you. You in jail or home? It's home jail.
Starting point is 00:41:12 And it's me, Nori, 50, 50, 50 in the house. A house is a house. Half the house is 50. Half the house is me. Sounds like a lot of problems
Starting point is 00:41:25 I got my own crew oh my god I got my own listen so what happened is no what happened is no this is real shit track masters are so hot and
Starting point is 00:41:33 it was so important to them that everybody like listen and fuck with them I was the only artist that wasn't on track masters yeah I was so
Starting point is 00:41:43 connected with the firm and everything and they couldn't keep up with him first of all they can't control him momentum already still coming in like oh shit. You know what I'm saying? Oh shit. They followed me in my league but they lead it with me. You know what I'm saying? And I remember, listen, Tone and Polk, I will never forget this conversation I had with them. I was like, yo, I need a Street Dreams.
Starting point is 00:42:18 And they was like, nope, you ain't going to get that from us. And I said, what? You know what was crazy? At that time, all the records that Nas used to turn down, they used to give him the 50. Wow. So it used to be records that I used to be like, oh, shit. I heard that over here. Wow.
Starting point is 00:42:37 But he got a version of it. And he's creating whole songs at the time. Remember, he was really doing that. They was going at him because that's when they're like, yo, why are you singing? Or why do you know how to rap and try to harmonize? The game was kind of different, but he was right there with us. So they was kind of trying to fill in the void.
Starting point is 00:42:56 We're making this firm album that's supposed to be this amazing shit, but we have Nori that's not a firm member. Not a firm member. Not a firm member. We have Cannabis. We have guys that was kind of heating it up. Half a male. Cannabis was in this mix? Half a male.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Yeah, he's on a Desperado joint. He's on a firm member. You know, whatever Steve Stout and Trackmaster's doing was hot. They was going to throw at us. But at the same time, we were so dope. But I got to stop you right there. Steve Stout and Trackmaster did not bring me in. Jungle brought me in.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Yeah. But what I'm saying is the politics of the game before we start talking about the firm arm and all of that. Nori was so dope that he was part of
Starting point is 00:43:39 one of the dopest songs on the joint with me. He got access to why there was never video, why there was never that. That's a whole other thing. God damn it. You can switch it.
Starting point is 00:43:49 You can switch it. So I'm going to be honest. This is my brother. This is the reason why everybody's like, yo, I'm going to tell you something. I always say the transition to my solo career was I'm leaving. that shit because after the war report
Starting point is 00:44:08 You know you've got the blood spreading come on Hey you want a blunt you want a motherfucking, you know, for cancer awareness? You know what I'm saying? What do you want? That's the chance. That's the chance in there. There's a little bit of poquito in there. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can roll them some more.
Starting point is 00:44:32 We ain't got no more. We ain't got no more. Come on. You know. So, I always say. This is interesting, y'all. Y'all understanding what's going on right here? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:41 This is my history. Anybody know what's going on? History class. So, you guys. I filled you up with that Ace of Spades. All right. You have more Ace of Spades? Nah, yes, brother. Goddamn, listen. Come on. Let's make this a talk. All right. Cool. right here I'm gonna tell you something this real shit after the war report. I was stuck it was called Music Purgatory. Music Purgatory. What's all that lyric called? Music Purgatory. And for those who don't know what Purgatory means, Purgatory is that place stuck between heaven and hell.
Starting point is 00:45:13 Stuck in hell. You're gone, but you don't know if you're going to make it back to this heaven, or you're going to make it to hell. I didn't really know. I was selling crap. I went back to selling crap. It's just fucking. Do what I know
Starting point is 00:45:28 Nas was actually on The war port album trying for music making stars calm down that that story is up in the air I should have asked Nas when he was here. I was there I was there that night when he money bads he money bads got erased That's the rule is he wasn't credited on the record in the official album Nas. No, that's not the truth He wasn't credited for the record In the official album No that's not the truth He wasn't credited For I've loved my life He was credited on that one? No he was being
Starting point is 00:45:48 Stuck on that I'm trying to keep it I'm trying to keep it Behind it real fast Okay go ahead I was so I was trying to figure out How this guy
Starting point is 00:45:56 This guy right here Was surviving All this shit Because I come from Lyricist shit And this motherfucker Came in from every time and delivered such an energy and such a shit that I always went home like scratching my head like your heart of thank you but it's your day today I got you. It's just real shit, though. Yeah, you lost me in my train of thought. I was into that. What was I talking about?
Starting point is 00:46:25 What was I talking about? You want Nas on the album, no? All right, so rumor is that E-Money Bags was on it. Nas didn't like that E-Money Bags was took off of it. And T.R.A.D.S. was put on it. So that's the rumor. All right? The rumor was he wanted to make it up.
Starting point is 00:46:45 He wanted to make it up to us. He wanted to, uh... So, uh... He... This is the crazy shit. He promised me to come to Miami first. Didn't go to Miami. You're talking about Nas?
Starting point is 00:46:58 Yeah, this is for the firm album. There's no one to announce the firm. I'm not sure at this time. But then... The firm album actually comes. And I remember it was Nature Session. It was a Tuesday. And it was 1 million percent Nature Session.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Because I flew out on my own. And when I flew there, it was Nature Session. And that's how I'm leaving. And I always felt like the world could have been like, man, fuck this other dude. Let him get out this fucking session You know saying like when the beat was played I believe Drake played to be I know this is not a jury Obviously me trap as his credit of this probably Drake. Maybe it was just supposed to be your record
Starting point is 00:47:36 I think he's running through beats and run it to be stay trying to get When we start to can we talk about Firm Shit? That's good. That's where we at. That's where we at. Me and Firm Shit. In my opinion, the Firm Shit was contractually set up to kind of like crash, right? Meaning when I said that because everybody was on different labels when they reached this peak and they decided to put the album out on Interscope Records when nobody was on Interscope Records. nobody was on Interscope Records. So why would the label push this?
Starting point is 00:48:08 So their label said, hell no, you're not going to deliver an album and give it to this label right here that's not us and make money for us. Here's your stipulation. You can only be on a certain amount of records. You can only probably be on three records. So if you listen to the album,
Starting point is 00:48:21 the person that's not signed filled in all the void, which happened to be me. So the outside people looked at it as if it was like my album. You know what I mean? From the way that it was labeled, you couldn't just say it was The Firm. You have to say it's Nas, AZ, Fosse, Brown presents
Starting point is 00:48:37 The Firm. Right? And since they did that and Sony was like, nah, Nas, you can't deliver another album to Interscope. You've got to kind of do this. Yeah, you've got to do this our way. So I was the person that filled in the gap. If it was probably Cormega at the time, it might have been Cormega.
Starting point is 00:48:55 But if Cormega was on Def Jam, they might have said same shit too. I didn't have no paperwork. So at this time, I'm filling in records, and I'm vibing with this guy. I got stories with my first time in California with this guy. I remember one time I was in the studio and these guys left me. Right?
Starting point is 00:49:15 Him and Jungle left me and then they came back into the studio while I'm still in there writing the record with brand new sneakers and brand new everything, right? And they had my sneakers hidden outside the door. So they came in like, hey, we went shopping, we were fresh, we got this. And I'm like, bro, I can't leave, you know I couldn't leave?
Starting point is 00:49:33 So they was acting like they had no sneakers for me and fucking boom, here we got the brand new sneakers. And later on that day, it was a party. Dre and them was having a party, and Nori was the person that said, I want to go to Compton. I want to see Compton. I don't care about nothing else. Me and Jungle goes to this party with the same sneakers on
Starting point is 00:49:59 and the same basketball jerseys on. Meanwhile, the whole party got on suits and ties. And this guy goes to a party in Compton. Comes back talking about, yo, these guys got shower caps on their heads. Am I a clown?
Starting point is 00:50:14 Am I a clown? Real shit. I used to go everywhere when I used to go. I used to do it in L.A., L.A. too. No, I used to go. He went to L.A. He went to see what the sun was.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I used to want to go and see the actual hood. The hood. That's a terrible meme. He's like, fuck the party. I want to go to the hood. Ter. I used to want to go and see the actual hood. The hood. That's a terrible meme. He's like, fuck the party. I want to go to the hood. Terrible meme. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:50:29 Like, yo, this is some real, this is my brother right here, yo. And I know you remember what I said. Of course, of course. He said, yo, they standing on corners with shower caps. And I was like, I'm from New York, never heard of no shit like that. I love the day. I love the day. But let's just tell these guys, right?
Starting point is 00:50:43 So we walk in. Now, I think you're used to this. Now, me hearing your story now, you're like a great actor because I thought like you were just used. Because we were sitting there, Dr. Dre is like this new nature. I'm looking like, holy shit. It's hard. But, you know, I'm trying to keep my cool. I'm about to say it.
Starting point is 00:51:00 I'm not starting to turn my doctor down. I'm starting to. I'm starting to. He's rolling joints for us. This'm not starting to turn my doctor off. I'm not. I'm not. He's rolling joint force. This is real shit. I'm not listening to this. He's buying Henny Force every night.
Starting point is 00:51:14 Every night. He just got married. Shout out to Dr. J. I know he's about to get... Dr. Dre. He's a welcome heir to Dr. Dre. I gotta take a shot. Alright, J. I got to take a shot. All right. Take a shot. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:51:26 Hold on. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot at the real shit. Don't worry about the syrup. Dr. Dre. It comes from the meanest house in Columbia. Well, I'm doing this very shit. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:51:34 We running around trying to make out. I'm sorry, sir. We trying to make our name for ourselves and shit like that. And every night, Dr. Dre just got married. He's buying us Henny. He's rolling us joints. And pretty much the ball is in our court. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:51:49 Right. Norrie comes in. We do our leaving. We know it's a banger. I know it's a banger because it's just so good. If you correct me if I'm wrong, this is what happened to me and my thing. My session was supposed to be Wednesday. I landed on a Tuesday because I had to fly to JFK.
Starting point is 00:52:07 JFK got the deals. Fly Tuesday. You flew yourself out, you said, right? We had to. It was that type of party. We went. It was Nate's session. Nate just finished these Clue sessions.
Starting point is 00:52:21 Nate is, to me, to me, I thought you. We on fire. We on fire. We on fire. You probably looking at me like I got a name, finished these cool sessions natives to me to me I thought you are we are you body looking at me like I got a name but I'm looking at you like you the hottest thing in the world like you know it's not as good as you yeah so in my equipment for more in my opinion dr. Dre was playing it and engineering it so he said he said I forget what he said he said yo you got something for this and I was to the side and I was like he he was like, I don't even know how you pronounce my name. I know
Starting point is 00:52:49 it's wrong. Like effing. Like how they keep calling you effing? Oh yeah, I went through that. I swam went through that. So hopefully you don't have to go through that. You know what I'm saying? But um. You didn't fix the things. I didn't. I would try to. But anyway, in my opinion, you tell me, and this is the reason why, this is, I'm leaving. If it wasn't for I'm leaving, there's no band from TV. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:13 Yo, I'm leaving. I felt that he bodied I'm leaving. I think I bodied it too. His style was so different. I'm still coming from a lyrical standpoint, and he's coming from a vibe.
Starting point is 00:53:24 He just, he knows how to just set the vibe. And so that's why when it came down to band from TV, when we get there, it was time to set the vibe. Like, yo, it's the difference between writing some dope rhymes and, like, yo, creating something. So you learned something from that. Yeah. Let me just tell you something.
Starting point is 00:53:41 We everywhere, back and forth. I'm leaving. I'm leaving. Listen, at any moment, nature could have been like, yo, wait a minute, this is my session. This is why I fuck with you. That's why I love you to this day. It's because at any time.
Starting point is 00:53:54 That was his session. It was a Tuesday. My session wasn't until Wednesday. That's when bloody Money Part 2 came out. That's what that's saying. That's what I'm saying. That makes sense. You understand?
Starting point is 00:54:04 Come on. I don't forget none of this. I forget. I can forget everything I just did. But this is awesome. I don't even remember. This is our life. I'm so tired to get ready. So that session with I Asked Can You Not, I had these rhymes. The reason why I know I know this and know I know that, yo, but know I know that, why? Because I know I know
Starting point is 00:54:24 that. However, I could make you famous. The reason why I said it know this and nor we know that yo, but nor we know gap wax No, we bought that. I rack could make you famous. The reason why I said it I don't think it was the I'm not saying of the greatest lives the reason why I said it because those rhymes was originally on The war report album that was a whole record So With the same hook. And you could flip it however you wanted to. You knew the right thing. I knew it. I knew it was something about that motherfucker. So, it was crazy. You didn't know this. No, I just knew the energy was too good.
Starting point is 00:54:53 He knew it. He killed that. I definitely didn't write that on the spot. Oh, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. So, yeah, I got you.
Starting point is 00:55:02 So, that's the reason was, and I remember, because I remember, I feel like Dre was right there, like I did it perfect the first time and he was like, you got to do it over. And I was like, is it because it's perfect, but I'm Dr. Dre and I didn't understand what he meant. And I did it like several more times or whatever, right? The bottom line is that record bunged me into a whole another level
Starting point is 00:55:27 it bunged me to a and it was crazy because I was like you know coming up in in what we was doing still even though I had an album out
Starting point is 00:55:35 but it was like that differentiated me from everyone else that record yes it did and this is the reason I was mad I was like
Starting point is 00:55:42 he got me on that no no no this is the reason what brought us up to Band From TV so you remember what studio Yes it did. I was mad. I was like, he got me on that motherfucking thing. No, no, no, no, no. I'm like, he's got me. This is the reason it brought us up to Banff and TV. So you remember what studio was at Banff and TV? Nah, I remember Alcadar was there. I remember the night when we first came to do Banff and TV, which turned into Banff and TV.
Starting point is 00:55:58 That wasn't the beat. That's right. It's because of you. That wasn't the beat. I was like, nah, I didn't like this beat. So I'm like, yo, I owe Nate your favor. I owe this nigga. Look, I got to, no, I didn't like this beat. So I'm like, yo, I owe nature a favor. I didn't like this beat. Like, I owe this nigga. Look, I gotta do a banger with you on my album.
Starting point is 00:56:10 I remember you walked out the room. You gotta go first. You walked out the room. He was like, alright, do what you do. Boom. And I was sitting there smoking weed in the heck of a door with me, and I was like, you know what? I wanted to show him that I could fucking stomp a mud hole on this beat. That's how I felt. No, this is true. No,, listen. I had to go to Swiss beat because you got me on Get you that fucking what you did. This is the crazy shit. We didn't read it. It's electric lady, by the way That was the studio. That's how I was in really good in there Jimmy Hendrix to do
Starting point is 00:56:44 Studio with the cat. I'm allergic to fucking cats. It's the only cat in the world that can walk by me and there's nothing on this channel. That's because it's Jimi Hendrix. Want me to tell you why I felt a certain way? I'm going to tell you why I felt a certain kind of way. Because no one else is listening.
Starting point is 00:56:57 Let's go. Because he's right there with me, right? But at the same time, he's not just by himself. He kind of has a little people. He has shit in perspective. He has people like, you're going to do this. You're going to book the studio. You're going to do this.
Starting point is 00:57:11 And I didn't have none of that but some fucking rhymes. You know what I'm saying? And he had the business sense of it back then. So to hear, yo, this nigga's not making a mistake. Why do they love him? He's fucking, oh, man. You know, he's not making a mistake Why do they love him He's fucking Aw man You know
Starting point is 00:57:27 He's not the most lyrical guy He gotta stand with him But you know That's how he was We came up in that competitive era But And he just got me On the last record we did
Starting point is 00:57:37 So I have to get him So now He plays this beat for me Okay I didn't know this He plays this beat for me And Swiss comes in So the first beat isn't Swiss Just to be clear No I believe all beats He plays this beat for me. I didn't know this. He plays this beat for me. Swiss comes in.
Starting point is 00:57:48 So the first beat is in Swiss, just to be clear. No, I believe all beats are Swiss. I believe it's the first time I meet in Swiss. This is just the guy with the funny nose. His name was Dean of Swiss. This is the guy with the funny nose. His name was Dean of the 100. God bless you, God bless you, Swiss. We know you from the beginning.
Starting point is 00:58:00 We know you from the beginning. What I'm saying is he has his shit in order. He knows producers' names. He knows certain shit. And I'm like, You know you're in the beginning. What I'm saying is he has his shit in order. He knows producers' names. He knows certain shit that I'm like, damn, I don't know that. He has this relationship with people before me. He's building a network. Motherfucker. I was building a drink chest back then.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Salud. Look at the shot. The shot. The shot now. Say it over. All right, salute. Shot. Okay.
Starting point is 00:58:24 So Swiss comes in and he plays this beat and I say, you know what? This makes me feel like a superhero, this band from TV beat. And I'm saying to my man, you know what? Watch this. Nori leaves the room. I write the rhyme. This is probably, he knows I'm feeling it because I like to sit with beats. Sometimes I'll sit with the beat for an hour.
Starting point is 00:58:44 Niggas come back in an hour. Let me stop you for a second. I'm going to pass it like to sit with me sometimes I was able to be for out He come back niggas come back in a second. I'm passing right back Three of the fire is I threw away So much wrong because I wrote the rhymes to the beat Grace papayas was across the street so I go down there and I remember that's Pun's favorite shit so I just hit Pun when he was on a two way or something like yo you know we were across the street from Grace Papayas
Starting point is 00:59:14 so Pun is an idiot he fucking I never even said come to Grace Papayas I just said yo I was just thinking about you you know what I'm saying I said Grace Papayas so I come back in and you, homie. You know what I'm saying? I said, great, bye-bye. So when Nate, I come back in, and I could see Swiss. He's stressed.
Starting point is 00:59:30 So Swiss only played, this is what happened. Swiss only played the loop. The sample. The actual beat never dropped. So the whole time, I got Nate in there, and it's a vibe. I know this nigga now. and it's a vibe. I know this nigga now. So it's a vibe. And if he feeling something, he like, if he feeling something, he like, so he didn't do that for three beats. I don't talk about this. This is, I think
Starting point is 00:59:56 in my mind, like the rough rider anthems.'m like, man, you don't like this? And he's like, you know, but then Bantam TV came on. And he just jumped up. And he walked to the corner. And that's the moment I walked out. I said, you got this. I said, the yalla's back on the yalla. And I went.
Starting point is 01:00:24 And subconsciously, I see puns. I said, I told you I was my Gray Kampias. Like, I didn't invite you. I'm thinking that record was just going to be me and him.
Starting point is 01:00:36 It was. So I'm thinking we're going to go back and forth, right? So I lay a verse. He walks out the room. I feel good about this verse. I lay a verse, right? And then I go home. He has rhymes on out the room. I feel good about this verse a layer verse right and then I go home He has a yes, he has rhymes on the paper already
Starting point is 01:00:50 Yes, I'm gonna just take this home money, you know, I'm gonna fix it. I'm gonna get it right You know me so I'm like, all right guys are on the record. Let me explain. Let me explain. When you left, I said, I'm so, I just. He got you. I'm with that shit. No, I'm serious.
Starting point is 01:01:14 He's not like that. And I wanted to change. Listen, yeah, he's called me for months. I wanted to change my verse. And if they heard me, they studied me, they got me. I was just on that like. This is not exactly, this is exactly what happened with Bam from TV purse and I heard me they studied me they got me I was I was This is exactly what happened with bad TV and I'm glad and Jada and God bless you wish we had fun here and can potato Same thing what happened was like I said, I didn't like the smell of cigarettes. I love smoking cigarettes I didn't like the smell of it. And we was... We were the bogey crew.
Starting point is 01:01:46 We were the bogey crew. When me, him, and Jungle came around, they knew who the cigarettes came out of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the only time I had a chill. Like, it was three of us, bro. We got relaxed. But this time, I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I went downstairs and smoked a bogey.
Starting point is 01:02:02 And when I seen, like I said, I seen Grape of Pies. I just gave Pun what was considered a text back then. I went downstairs smoking a bogan. Like I said, I seen Grape Papayas. I just gave Pun what was considered a text back then. I think it was a two-way pager. Like, hey, I'm buying Grape Papayas. I'm thinking there's seven Grape Papayas in the city. I'm not thinking he's going to narrow it down to the one that we're... The real one. The real one.
Starting point is 01:02:17 The original one. FYI. FYI. So, as Nathan starts to feel it, he's correct. I've walked out when I walked out I seen fine I said oh shit it's like he's like I'm thinking he just came in great replies that was it so I'm like cool my unless you lady went back upstairs see me I was like yo you know what I'm gonna get this this wasn't the beat I was ready for I had three other rhymes but they were not one of these
Starting point is 01:02:43 shits was to this beat for that one So I listened and I was like damn, you know, I can't fuck with this right now So I did tell me your one love they left. I did not know palm is coming coming. He comes up He got his own full budget. No, we're not closing the studio session Papa. So I'm The fastest part verse I've ever seen laid in my life. Because pun usually take hours, but I guess he wanted to spar with us. He fucked with us. He fucked with us.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Yeah, he fucked with us so bad. So I came back and I was like, yo. I've told this story a million times. I'm going to tell it again. I was like, yo, yo, this record is for me in nature, man This is some crazy and fun. Look that you're gonna erase that verse He looks at me again he goes come on look at me face to face. You go to the race that works, pork chops and applesauce. You go to the race, I'm like, hell yeah, your engineer.
Starting point is 01:03:49 He looks at the engineer, the engineer's like, he made me record it. The engineer's like, you know you're not gonna make me delete it, he made me record it. So that, so, okay, then Cam is that night, right? Yes, you're right. No, come on, where is it? Band with Jimmy. Snature,
Starting point is 01:04:06 Pun, and then Cam. Yes. And then Cam. That's the only people we got the next day. Cam, I forget why Cam was downtown.
Starting point is 01:04:16 I don't know. I just called him. He called me. Or maybe Pun called me. He was like, yo, I'm gonna shoot you with Norian. Cam was like,
Starting point is 01:04:21 all right, cool. He's not erasing verses. Come on. He's not erasing verses. Nah, nah, nah. They all fucked with you at that time. And that was the shit that I was like, like, all right, cool. He's not erasing verses. Come on. He's not erasing verses. Nah, nah, nah. They all fucked with you at that time. And that was the shit
Starting point is 01:04:27 that I was like, fuck out of this. Y'all were the freshmen at that time. You know what I'm doing the whole time? Writing a hook to it. I'm like, all right, cool.
Starting point is 01:04:35 This didn't have no hook. I'm writing a hook to it. I'm like, damn. I'm like, the way nature ended his shit was, and pun just
Starting point is 01:04:45 jumped on it and I'm like damn and I know I can't send this shit to Swiss cause I know he he wants a certain thing
Starting point is 01:04:53 he's hook guy he's hook and everything so I'm like alright cool then Cam came that night this is the only awkward moment was
Starting point is 01:05:01 I had to get Jada and Styles the next day and I didn't know which one was which and this is crazy because I'm very close to Styles right now
Starting point is 01:05:10 I always tell this story I gave Styles weed and this is the time no one smokes personal nah this is how I'm at it when I'm at it
Starting point is 01:05:20 yeah he don't pass the blood he don't pass the blood back then 20 years ago he didn't pass the blood he didn't pass the blood. He don't pass the blood. Back then, 20 years ago, he didn't pass the blood. He didn't pass the blood. So I was like, oh, my God, this guy, you know. And it was history.
Starting point is 01:05:32 But that's, the thing was, banned from TV wouldn't have been done if I'm leaving, wouldn't have been secured. And if you would have hated on me, or just said, not even hate. I would never hate on you. Nah, I'm just saying. You could have hated on me I said or just said That's not even hate like at the end of the day if you said you don't know disrespect You know nori ain't you booked tomorrow like I would have had to been like now, but cool
Starting point is 01:06:03 We'll pick you up you could have been like man. You know what? This is my time. You got a War Report album. Get the fuck up out of here. Like, I mean, in a better way, you could have said it smoothly. You were already out there. Yeah, yeah. Just let me have my day, and tomorrow I'll come. You were just like, yo, I caught the vibe,
Starting point is 01:06:18 and you didn't stop it. And for that, I will always be thankful. We brothers, like I said, I will always be thankful. But I will always be thankful, just so you know. I know that if I ever did this interview due to the fact that me and his stories
Starting point is 01:06:38 are so intertwined, you know what I mean? No matter what, if Sun said the building's on fire, I'm coming with the whole that's just our goals I don't need but we I ain't gonna lie though you remember Tommy and I stole your record Yeah, I came in there I came in I had a session I walk in the session and him and Nas have Damn near three verses a piece on my beat. And so I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
Starting point is 01:07:09 First of all, I left. I left. They guys are going hard on my beat. They have three verses a piece on my joint. I leave the studio. And then they say, yo, you got to find a way on this record. You're the one playing your record. But by this time, they trade their shots. Right? Yo, you gotta find a way on this record
Starting point is 01:07:31 So I had to take one of Nas and one of But it was my He's a Saturday Hater! He's a Saturday Hater! This is Brotherhood, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm moving around with these guys, you know what I'm saying? And at the same time, you know, these guys are younger than me, but they're making their own lane. They're making their lane. Every time they're making their own lane. And they just took my beat. Let's not laugh at it. Let's just not laugh at it. Maybe I can't just sue them. Every time they're making it only and they just took my beat Three verses a piece.
Starting point is 01:08:27 It's like we was fighting. So what happened was, again, no, because I ain't going to lie. I got to give this regime up. Steve Stout, Nas, Trackmasters. When it was an album, we were supposed to dedicate our whole energy to that album. That was it. That was it. That was it. So what happened was, I just felt like Nate was just, he just didn't want to work that night.
Starting point is 01:08:51 But me and Nas didn't even come to work that night. We just came to like chill. But then this beat player, Triple Threat, it's called Triple Threat, and it was fucked up because me and Nas never said nothing to each other at all. It was just some Virgo shit He looked at me other day For balls already And they make up the rules waiting for you to get tired to you Y'all see y'all tomorrow
Starting point is 01:09:38 We just look like this won't keep it going don't worry about the sign I Think it was me if you look at the original. I think I'm the one that first said it all, so I'm sorry, Nate. All right. I think it was me, and I just looked at me like, what? And I said, and we just kept going. And then the next day,
Starting point is 01:09:53 we was in the studio, and Nate was like, what the fuck? It was amazing. Let's make some noise. Come here. Those records, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:10:04 Like I said, we didn't realize what we was building. We had guys that was basically creating their lane for me, showing me what was supposed to be. That's why 20 years later, we're still doing it. 20 years later, I'm in Brooklyn. You should have talked about it. You can laugh about it.
Starting point is 01:10:25 You could laugh about it. It might be little things that I remember, little things that he remember, but at the end of the day, I know that if anybody got my back, you got my back. Now, I know the answer to this, but for lack of a... Nas has dropped an album. And this album, I forget the name of the record but everyone is asking why is it on there full circle full circle as in it can you explain to the people I know the answer but can you explain I mean I don't necessarily know the answer I know that it was his call we're grown we make records that we want to do at the time when he was doing he was wanted to do I
Starting point is 01:11:04 didn't get the call and i understand that i wasn't a part of the original original firm talk that's not a part of the original firm talk so i don't get mad i would prefer not to have got the call than to have laid some dope ass shit and heard that yo they took you off your some crazy so anytime anytime anytime my guys strike we strike so i have no choice but to be happy because we rockin it's queensbridge back on the map again you know what i'm saying it's all kind of things like that i don't know what's what what happens from this day forward but i'm not the dude that walks around bitter because when you win I win because our stories are tied we're together We're fucking all together
Starting point is 01:11:56 I can't tell you what to do which which is a business called the business So at the end of the day, I'm happy for mega because mega didn't get the chance to do none of that shit you know i'm saying none of that shit and that's my nigga like for real for real i love a shout out to fox shout out to all that but we all come on the same so we shouldn't be fucking you know what i mean so i don't know what happens or what they're thinking about doing hopefully they're thinking about making bigger music in the future but but for me, I got music, I got my niggas, I got, you know what I'm saying, I got my team, I've been teamed up with my dudes, you know, we got all, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:12:31 I got my dude Menza, I got DCM, I got all kind of dudes, I got my dude Nino, we got non-profit shit, I got my man Large Amount, we doing shit, you know what I mean? We doing things, we doing... We got... We got... We got... We got... We got...
Starting point is 01:12:49 Non-profit shit going on. I think October 10th, he said, yo, we got a sneaker, a sneaker give out. You know, we giving sneakers out
Starting point is 01:12:56 to the kids, to all kind of stuff for the community, all of that. You know what I mean? So we grown, you know what I mean? We got grades and all that,
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Starting point is 01:17:36 I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at LavaForGoodPlus on Apple Podcasts. Shit was dope shit, bro. Yeah, super shit. Yo, he's big. Yo. on Apple Podcasts. Shout out Mother of the Large Amount. Shout out Almanjabrown Brothers. Shout out Trey. Shout out everybody. Shout out motherfucking Sonny.
Starting point is 01:18:27 Shout out motherfucking Boris. Shout out everybody. Shout out everybody. You've been patient, bro. Come on, sit down. Come on, come on, come on, come on. Come on. Come on, too. Come on.
Starting point is 01:18:35 Come on. Break it in. Let's do it. I didn't realize it because you didn't take the mask. I didn't know it was you. Yeah. Hang, hang. How you been?
Starting point is 01:18:44 Nigga gave me a pink pajama. How's everything? I'm good. Good to see you. Good to be here. Yeah, yeah. Remember that time we was in the studio, and it was you, and it was Shite's brother.
Starting point is 01:18:57 It was Shite's record. It was Shite's record. I know. I mean, me and you been supposed to do this. Of course. I remember one time I pulled up on 250. He was just in the car, like back like this with the windows down, smoking plums.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Like, what, nigga? Remember? Yeah, yeah. I used to bump into you all over the spot. Yeah, because I move like that. I move like that. I used to bump into you all over. I used to be like, because Scram put me onto you.
Starting point is 01:19:21 Yes. We back, motherfucking, in the flesh. We got a motherfucking legend to join us right now flesh We got a motherfucking legend We got motherfucking legends in the building Jesus man I ain't gonna lie This guy when you talk about He's been down
Starting point is 01:19:32 Been here Been around And still doing it And not going no motherfucking where We got Agalov Motherfucking Adolf Adolf the assassin Adolf the assassin Ag Adolf the Assassin!
Starting point is 01:19:46 I finally made it! I finally made it baby! You made it baby! Years in the making! Hasta la vista! Yes, yes. So yo, you've been like, when I sometimes I ask people the different eras they've been involved with. Like you've been
Starting point is 01:20:02 involved with eras like when? When did you get started in this game? Well, you know, as a kid, you know, my godfather, Jose, used to run a bar, a record shop on Pickin' and Rockaway called Soul Shack. It's a very legendary. This is New York? Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 01:20:19 Yes, that's my godfather's spot. I'm trying to get mixtapes in there, yeah. Yes, Russ and Jose, if you know them. Wow. That's my godfather. So I used to be in there like, yo, see Big Daddy Kane, Sessa Sonic, Rakim. It was like family. Right.
Starting point is 01:20:34 They would all be there. LL. Everybody. Russell Simmons. Everybody. Like, we'd be at that shop. Did you actually even say something? Nah, but nah.
Starting point is 01:20:43 That's some real shit right there. I mean, except Big Daddy Kane Nah, nah, nah. That's some real shit. I mean, he said Big Daddy Kane. I mean, I'm just thinking about the artist back then. Big Daddy Kane but in the roughest hoods ever.
Starting point is 01:20:50 I'm from Brownsville. I'm from Brownsville. My bad, my bad. You see Big Daddy Kane in his fucking front. I love Sean Price. God bless. Rest in peace, Sean Price.
Starting point is 01:21:00 I'm back. Everybody, have a moment with Sean Price. Everybody have a moment of silence for Sean Price. Rest in peace Sean Price. And we were kids, you know, we played in the sandbox. That's how I met him. We traded Coleco cartridges. Really like, like... I had Coleco cartridges really like
Starting point is 01:21:45 So I like train, you know I'm saying? With the homies, like, yo, I lend you this for a night. You lend me that. That's how I met him. But hip-hop was always in my family. Music, Motown, all that. You know, like, you know, just, you know, that was, like, the thing. Like, in the neighborhood, you know, you go to block parties and children and Van Dyke. You know what I'm saying? And you see the DJs come out. My neighbor was a DJ. You from Brooklyn?
Starting point is 01:22:04 I'm from East New York. Brownsville world thought house morning. He's got the hospital Brooklyn it was I'm part of the people. I've got to learn from you. He had a bunch of careers. I know that. I'm from where Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, from where Chad Judah from. That's my people. All the boxes, champion boxes.
Starting point is 01:22:37 Shout out to Brownsville. Shout out to Brownsville. Let's go, champ. Let's go, champ. I was just with Shannon Briggs two days ago and that's my brother. So, like I said- But how did you- You know, just to fast forward, because of what Nate just said, you know, a lot of people
Starting point is 01:22:52 know you from the Purple City thing. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, how did you go from like being a Brownsville dude to messing with our people in Purple City? Well, I moved to the Bronx, my, you know, I had like a crib up there with my little studio and then that's when I was working with Sean Price.
Starting point is 01:23:06 And I had this little deal with Game Records, Jonathan Schechter. This is after Adolph the Assassin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is when I became Aguilar. You know, you got to reinvent yourself in this business. The vinyl with all the chicks on the covers of the vinyls. Yeah, I was going through a reinvention stage, and then me and Sean started doing these little songs together. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:23:29 He asked me to give him some beats. We started collaborating, and the next thing you know, he put out a Monkey Bars. One song on there was called Rising to the Top. That song was on Grand Theft Auto 3, which sold over 17 I'm on that soundtrack to They made a that's the first time day it was he was able to interact and like
Starting point is 01:24:01 You know go outside the storylines and beat somebody up and do you know you know you know the music in the car so when they had the when they made the the soundtrack they had to look for hip-hop artists and him and me if you look at it right now you buy the game right now my name is on it and his name is on it too Let me ask you Let me switch it up to you That's crazy That you even on it Alright
Starting point is 01:24:29 The first album Was All Seasons Yeah For All Seasons baby For All Seasons Now that was the album You was working on On Beardsville
Starting point is 01:24:36 Or that was Yeah that's my very first album What had happened You know Sorry to be on that note already But The album came out in 2000 What had happened, you know, because sorry to be on that note already, but the album came out in 2000, but what had happened was the album was finished in 1998.
Starting point is 01:25:02 So a lot of the songs that came out on the album were actually heard already. They wound up they were, they wound up on mixtapes without the choruses on them, and you know, I understand that the game was kind of a little tricky. It was tricky. So when we put the album out, the song was already two years old. And so I'm trying to convince the people that this is dope, and
Starting point is 01:25:21 we had a lot of problems when it came down to creating my first album, because it was sample clearances it was it was a it was songs that was released premature right it was it was it was you know crazy shit so when we put the album out we was already fighting the battle because the songs had already been heard and some of the songs that I was banking on was either wasn't cleared or they was released or whatever. It was a hot mess. So it went from, you know, sugar to shit that fast. It went from being this guy that they, you know, projecting to be the guy to, hold on, they're dropping an album that we heard already
Starting point is 01:26:08 and we didn't. You're saying there was a time like you was bitter with the game. Yeah, I was very, very, well, not with the game, but the guys that Connor and I was dealing with, I didn't understand, you know, being able to deliver on time
Starting point is 01:26:22 and to deliver the business. So I over-recorded. I recorded maybe two albums worth of material. And some shit wasn't clear. And some shit was played already. And it was different versions of things. It was a lot of problems when it came down to mine. So when it finally did land, it was like, hey, I heard this already.
Starting point is 01:26:43 A lot of the hype had died down. It kind of dated. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, we ran into that type of shit. How about you? Have you ever been to a time where you was just a bit odd? Can I ask you one question?
Starting point is 01:26:59 The one thing that was a problem for me when it came down to that was being a current event kind of guy Give me a shot glass, come on, let's go. You got one? Alright, I got you, give me one. Yo, the problem that came with that was like, since I was like a current event kind of guy, if I waited too long
Starting point is 01:27:26 Oh Yeah, that's well you gotta try Like you like certain things that happen in the board You got a two-week span. If you wait, it's too long. It's over. It's over. So that was the problem when it came down to saying dates and saying certain shit. So, you know, that was my shit. I had to learn that. You know what I mean? But it was cool. This guy right here was just dope.
Starting point is 01:27:55 Now, come on. Who you shout at? Who you shout at? You got that Duce? Come on. We got that Duce. No, no. Give you a shot.
Starting point is 01:28:00 Shot. Yeah. Boots Brothers, what up? I'm a keeper 100 with you don't know me I know like you know me like I come from that demo tape era You know you know when you know you need this real like you know you got me I never stopped fighting the industry is like some kind of different brotherhood now, and I never stopped fighting I just who I am Show me some equipment whatever it is and PC
Starting point is 01:28:33 He was one of those guys that make the beat It's a competition at the same time for me and I'm gonna try to you know get it in with you I'm gonna do the comments you I'm trying to take you off there that's what hip hop is about you know I learned that from you know it's being you know like you know shout to Taleb for shout me out on here shout out to Akanele they know me They know how I used to be out there, waiting to battle you, waiting for you at the end of the stage, and I was the hungry cat.
Starting point is 01:29:11 Even with Daz's effects, you know? Like, I used to see them, you know, at OG. I remember at OG, you know what I'm saying? Like, in the Bulldog, I remember one time, I was at Jersey City, and he was at the Boys Club, and I was like backstage, where he just, you know hungry little kid little kid a little kid you know what i'm saying and i just wanted to get on you ever think hip-hop would take it this far yes son you know this has been my dream son since i've been a kid wow this is my dream i used to go i used to win talent shows
Starting point is 01:29:42 with my homies like chopped the top dollar from Brownsville. Like, he was the MC. You Puerto Rican, too, let's be clear. Yeah, I mean, that's a culture. That's not a race. I'm African. Goddamn. My great-great-grandmother African.
Starting point is 01:30:01 You know, that's a whole other story, but, you feel me? I am here. You know, I am who my ancestors are, you know what I mean, we are who our ancestors are, and that's probably the most deepest thing I could say right now, because, you know, all this is instilled in me, trying to just, trying to make something good out of it, you know, a kid from the ghetto, a kid that never had nothing, you know, and I realized, like, so many of us come from that you know I'm saying and shot the caviar dreams cuz you know you carry your that's right though left or a while because all that right yeah that's that's that's one of my inspirations
Starting point is 01:30:38 right there cuz he took me in when I had't had no brothers, nobody. You know, we just street dudes. You know, like, you know, I come from that knowledge, wisdom, understanding, that 120. You know what I'm saying? Like that righteous moment in your life when you ain't really got nobody and you got to find that solution. There's a lot of people out here hurting right now. So I'm trying to be that good inspiration or aspiration, whatever I can do, and be that greatness in each other's lives because I did it for PMD. You know, when he broke up with EPMD, I wound up making a rough rug in a raw form.
Starting point is 01:31:13 He wound up getting a deal with Relativity for a million dollars. A lot of positive energy in the room, y'all. Shout out to the crowd. So you said you did it for PMD when he broke up with you. What was he doing? Yeah, I stepped in as the producer and wound up coming in and started producing. Which is huge because Eric was the main producer for him. I was producing with Onyx at first.
Starting point is 01:31:37 That's what I wanted to talk about. That's right. That he was messing with Onyx. I was running around doing these beats. I was running around on the second album. He was ghost producing? After they fell out with Shy Skills,. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat.
Starting point is 01:31:47 I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat.
Starting point is 01:31:55 I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat.
Starting point is 01:32:03 I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing a beat. I was doing to be signing honors. I was battling everybody. But at the end of the day, it was like politics with Def Jam and God bless Def Jam. You know, it just happened to me in a couple of arenas because I felt like I was just, you know, the Bones Malone. You know who he is? Bones Malone. Shout to Bones Malone. He said, yo, you made a lot of these dudes great. You got on their teams and made them great.
Starting point is 01:32:28 He was like, I don't know, compare myself to a player that got traded to a couple of teams. You know what I'm saying? But like in an NBA style of speaking, you know, I've been on a couple of great teams. Like the Lakers, you know what I'm saying? I'm supposed to be saluting. I think I'm in. I'm supposed to be saluting I think I can leave to be able to rap and make beats I got him the championships
Starting point is 01:32:52 he's killing his own yo be able to rap and make beats that's genius oh my god I think yeah we can't do that but be able to be a producer is different you know and that's what I learned I learned that a long time ago I could DJ too But be able to be a producer is different So when you make hours for yourself Do you you never think about another producer or yes? I work with everybody I can at the accessible moment if I could reach out to you and I got a vibe
Starting point is 01:33:19 Cuz me you know we all get weird Hold on, can I ask a question real fast at the table? Can I ask a question real fast at the table? How many of us, even though we love hip-hop and we dedicated our life to hip-hop, can do hip-hop in the house? Can you do hip-hop in the house? What do you mean by like a house, like in the crib? Yeah. Can you fucking make sure the garbage is dumped and the shit is... Let me tell you something. Right?
Starting point is 01:33:48 And still make hip-hop the way it's supposed to be in the house? Or do we need each other? Busta is a good example because he is able to not let himself... Like, think he got to... He don't even work with older artists he works with younger artists so he can stay young you gotta understand the game now
Starting point is 01:34:10 you can't use yesterday's times you can't use yesterday's methods to win today's times and I get him whatever works for you works for you but if you in the crib and you got your pro tools set up man utilize it cause there's a lot of dudes in Africa that's doing
Starting point is 01:34:28 way less than they doing, and they doing nothing. Just look at me as a person, like, look, I used to beatbox and wish I had a drum machine. I'm the same dude that's still beatboxing. Would you say one of your biggest records is Ghetto Girl? What's your biggest record?
Starting point is 01:34:46 I got a lot of big records. I think as a rapper. As a rapper. As a rapper. Ghetto Girl was like a record that was industry made. What do you mean? Hold on. Like Taylor made it work for that time period? It was something that they wanted me to beat it
Starting point is 01:35:07 I didn't want me to become it was one of those moments where it was like, oh just to record that We're ready to put the dollars behind And I was like, well, I thought y'all wanted to put it behind all album. Y'all don't trick me this see they trick you They make you think you a star Then they did you think it's album, and then they're like, oh, we want to push this single. They don't want to push the album. They want to push what's going to make money for them.
Starting point is 01:35:33 I didn't know that at the time. I was very, very young when I signed that deal. 18 labels came to me through my Source magazine Unsigned Hype. It was like, oh shit, now I'm like property. Wow,
Starting point is 01:35:50 that's a lot of labels. I'm property now because a magazine put me in the Unsigned Hype column and now all 18 labels. All eyes on you now.
Starting point is 01:35:59 Yeah, Polly Dore, Warner Brothers, Chompy Boy. I went with Chompy Boy and I should've never did that on my first signing with Monica Lynch. I signed with them, and that was the biggest mistake I ever made in my life. Man, they know what it is.
Starting point is 01:36:13 Yeah, biggest mistake. They ain't released nothing. That's a whole other episode right there. They ain't released nothing. And then I got back on my grind. They released me, got back on my grind, then a lady signed me, oh yeah, Sylvia Roane signed me to East West and that's when I released Ghetto Girl and then I was resurrected one year later.
Starting point is 01:36:36 How the fuck you gonna get dropped and get a deal later? One year later. You know what I mean? It's supposed to be, I mean it's supposed to be. I would thank Allah. I thank Allah because he gave me another chance. That's another shot, man. You ever felt like the industry blackballed you?
Starting point is 01:36:51 No, I didn't. Because let me tell you something about this industry. It's way too, you know, you look at the game of prior artists. Look at all Michael Jackson and anybody else's career that came before me who got us here. Who we sampled this shit. What they had to go through. I'm grateful
Starting point is 01:37:14 that I had to go through this shit. Because they went through way worse shit than I had to. We're going to all go through shit in this industry. It's how you show up. You don't got to live on other people's means in this industry It's how you You show up You don't gotta live on other people's Means in this game
Starting point is 01:37:29 Who made you Part of the brotherhood And who made you feel like you was accepted Nobody wanted you in the game In the first place Look at hip hop when it first started They didn't even want this shit This shit was a fad f8
Starting point is 01:37:49 They used to say this shit wasn't gonna last remember that Like I'm like a rock and roll artist at the same time, but didn't they just say this shit wasn't gonna last I come on. Let's take a shot. No, no, Duse. Duse. Oh, excuse me. Duse. Duse. Mama water. Drink your mama water. Come on, son. Thank you. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:38:10 Thank you. I said the same thing. Did you ever feel like you were blackballed? Come on, you on drink champs. Might as well. No, I never felt I was blackballed. I'm a different kind of dude. I salute dudes from the back.
Starting point is 01:38:26 I'm champion. I'm like, yo, let's go. Let's win. We winning. No matter what, it's not a really numbers game with me. But I do feel that it was a time since I was dealing with what I was dealing with and the people I was dealing with that, you know, it's kind of hard when you're dealing with a bigger artist.
Starting point is 01:38:46 When you're dealing with an artist that guys that, you know, we just so happen to be linked to somebody that's considered to be one of the dopest MCs. Like, yeah, it's not like there's some side shit that's going on right now. But I want to give you the opportunity. You're exactly right. I love niggas, man want to give you the opportunity. You're exactly right. I love niggas, man. I don't want to. You got the opportunity. Listen to me.
Starting point is 01:39:09 You my man. I haven't spoke to Son in like 20 years. I mean, I'm going to kick it 100. You my man. I know that that's your man. You know what I'm saying? We're all family, but yeah. You got the opportunity to call him right now. You know what I'm saying all family, but you got the opportunity to call him right now
Starting point is 01:39:30 I'm saying he doesn't owe me no explanation no apologies No, nothing would you do in business is on it is I keep they keep it a hundred with me I'm not a bitter. Dude. You gave me the alley you my nigga of a lifetime. I Still get money from what you what we did 20. And that's a buster. I'm going to keep it a hundred. Yes. Can we bring it back together? Can we bring it back together? Can we bring it back together? He has the opportunity to do a lot of things.
Starting point is 01:39:59 You can do a lot of things. I'm not the type of person that's, I'm not going to chase you because I'm still doing music. I still have a family. I still have a life. I'm all right. I'm fast. I'm not the type of person that's, I'm not going to chase you because I'm still doing music. I still have a family. I still have a life. I'm alright. I'm fast. I'm okay. Trust me.
Starting point is 01:40:11 It's not about that. And you don't owe me no nothing. You know what I'm saying? But you do. When you win, I win. Because our stories
Starting point is 01:40:19 is tied together. When you win, I win. You know what I'm saying? When you take a hit, I take a hit. Okay, so let me ask you that what was cuz I be true but if you call my now what would he answer no one understand the mega thing we understood because I felt like you took
Starting point is 01:40:44 a shot at it, man. Right? This is outside, I'm looking in, because at the end of the day, I'm an insider, but I'm always an outsider because that's y'all hood, that's y'all shit. So what was the problem? I never really knew. Let me tell you something.
Starting point is 01:40:59 When it came down to being real, I don't walk around bitter. I'm not, like I said, what you do is what you do. Right, but the past is the past. Due to the fact that we're from the same hood, people know that there's always a little something more than what's probably being shown.
Starting point is 01:41:19 You know what I'm saying? I don't hold no grudges. But there was a record, let's just be clear. I don't know what it is. But in the beginning, I felt that I'm going to keep it 100. I did what I no grudges. But there was a record, let's just be clear. I don't know what it is. But in the beginning, I felt that I'm going to keep it 100.
Starting point is 01:41:28 I did what I was supposed to do. I tried to hold it down and try to glue shit together and do what I was supposed to do. But in the beginning, I never felt that it was 100% on my side anyway. If you look at the actual cover
Starting point is 01:41:40 of the Firm album, I was never really shown. I'm like kind of blurred out. I don't know. I don't think that they thought I was as good as I was never really shown. I'm like kind of blurred out. It was, I don't know. I don't think that they thought I was as good as I was supposed to be or I was supposed to actually affect people. But I mean, I'm hip hop.
Starting point is 01:41:53 At the end of the day, I'm never going nowhere. I'm about to end the day. I love niggas. If you ever needed me, I mean, we can sit down and talk. But at the end of the day, they better don't think the business was set up straight. And I don't think those niggas ever needed me. I mean, we could sit down and talk, but at the end of the day, they better don't think the business was set up straight.
Starting point is 01:42:06 And I don't think the hood shit could kind of get wiped away. At 20 years, it's 20 years. At the end of the day, I don't walk around trying to fucking throw dirt on the name. If you win, I win. We come from the same.
Starting point is 01:42:18 It will never change. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. You know what I mean? It's not like when Sun dropped, and when they dropped the album and they did the thing, it's not like they took shots at me. I respect
Starting point is 01:42:29 all of that shit and I'm really happy for Cole, nigga, to fucking do what he do. He made a million dollars. My boy, Cole. Because if it didn't go that way, nobody would have heard of me. For a second, it didn't go right. It gave me the opportunity of a lifetime to do what I do.
Starting point is 01:42:46 We brothers. We go through shit, nature. Do I make sense? We go through shit. What you trying to summon up? Nah, you talking gross, Anto. We talking shit. I'm not going to summon up shit.
Starting point is 01:42:54 We brothers. We go through shit. I don't walk around. Our support is if you win, I win. Come on, brother. Let's go. Because we always talked about tours. We always talked about money that could have been made.
Starting point is 01:43:06 Could have, should have, would have. And I think at the end of the day, it's not too many pieces that's missing. You know what I mean? I'm here. I'm telling you. People, a lot of people are going to watch this. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:43:17 A lot of people are going to watch this. You know what I mean? And so, whatever, whatever. If the call get made, if it don't get made, I'm good. I'm still going to make music. Check me out. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:43:27 20 years. I got a lot of shit. Ain't no love lost. You know what I mean? And that's the important thing. That's the most important thing about it. Nah, because you don't have to tell me nothing. Come on.
Starting point is 01:43:36 Even me and Nas, even when he sat here, we just didn't avoid our discrepancy. You know what I'm saying? This is what I'm saying. So I was trying to say, what it like we you don't even remember that's all right so I respect that too funny shit I can respect that too respect that too if it was major shit you could put your finger on it and say this would happen because I love niggas like brothers you know I'm saying we brothers we born and we that's what's it you know know what I mean? I lost my mom's. That's a piece of your mom's.
Starting point is 01:44:05 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? But me and John used to hang out in the crib. We used to be in his mom's crib. We'd smoke, we'd drink, whatever, whatever. That was then. So if you don't talk about it, we don't have to talk about it.
Starting point is 01:44:17 It happened. These are my dudes. I'm grateful for the position that I was put in. This gave me the alley-oop. For life. Right. For life. Bro, shout to the whole family.
Starting point is 01:44:31 You know what I mean? Shout to the whole family. It don't have to necessarily be a sad story. I hate when niggas talk about me. No, it's not the story. No, it ain't no sad stories, God. You still here, God? Check what I'm going.
Starting point is 01:44:43 What's happening. You can still follow me. We still here's happening. You can still follow me. You can still follow me. That's why me and Sadat, me and Sadat X got an album out today called The Gods Have a Rock. Goddamn, best of luck to you and Sadat X. So I used to came out to you.
Starting point is 01:45:00 Fat Joe, I got nature here. I got nature here. Fat Joe, I love you baby. here Yo I got nature here, come on Fat Joe I love you baby Come on where the cameras at? This is my nigga right here Joe you crack The biggest in the game This is my nigga right here
Starting point is 01:45:13 He promised me a favor I ain't gonna talk about it right now Nah it's on Drink Champs Blow him up, blow him up Crack, what up baby? It's on Drink Champs He promised me a favor Blow him up
Starting point is 01:45:23 He Ah He promised me a favor Yeah, you know what I mean? Be down I'm a drink champ. Roll up. He. Yeah, you know what I mean? Be down. Son of the drink champ. Come on. Goddamn crack show. Come on, baby.
Starting point is 01:45:33 We producing this show, even though they don't give us credit. Nah, real talk. We show. Show pro. We producing this show, even though we don't get credits. OK, so. We crack. We don't make some noise.
Starting point is 01:45:44 Yo, I got, I got. Hey. Yo, crap. I got my shit on, too. I got my okay? Come on, crack it! We don't make some noise! Ayyyy! Yo, crap. I got my shit on, too. I got my Yankee shit on, too. And my T.S. I'm out here showing off with my T.S. on, too. I got my T.S. on, too. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:45:56 Now, these my brothers right here. I met him. Oh, look at that. Oh, he's stuntin'. Oh, he's stuntin'. He's stuntin'. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' masks.
Starting point is 01:46:04 He's showin' masks. He's showin' masks. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers.
Starting point is 01:46:12 He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers.
Starting point is 01:46:20 He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. He's showin' sneakers. I love you my bro The crack is showing. The crack is showing. The crack is showing. The crack is showing. Yo, but yo, I know everybody over here, you know, like on a personal level, not on an industry level. And that's why it's good, you know, shout out to my girl Evelyn.
Starting point is 01:46:59 You know, I go back, you know, she a legend out here with Tool Nation. Her brother, Coup De Ville, Miami Hip Hop legend. back you know she a legend out here with 2lnation and her brother kookaville yeah kooka dope dj man beatmaker check him out i just want to just show love to um Drake champs because y'all just like keep the i keep it real and what the word it means like i just keep going in y'all just keep going in and and you know, we love you, bro. We love hip-hop, bro. We love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop.
Starting point is 01:47:28 I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop.
Starting point is 01:47:29 I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop.
Starting point is 01:47:29 I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop.
Starting point is 01:47:29 I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop.
Starting point is 01:47:30 I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop.
Starting point is 01:47:30 I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I love hip-hop. I saw it with him first. I saw it with him first because you know my girl, Evan. I just said that.
Starting point is 01:47:46 Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let me just say something. He don't like me. He don't my fan. Just say something. Anyway, let me just say something. Let me just say something.
Starting point is 01:47:54 Yo, the shit that you contributed to hip hop, Aguilar, Adolph, man, and you know, it's unrecognizable, man. It's recognizable with some of the men like what I mean is unrecognizable with the with the with the with the faith and we just looking at you in your face in your eyes that's the thing is like we don't we don't like the numbers and all that is great Split represent hip-hop. I guess a ball of fucking a spade um You know we care about representing hip-hop and keep telling the stories of hip-hop and just keep and just keeping that shit and this Great that this is our error. This is my error. This is my dream is to make sure it's you
Starting point is 01:48:40 Yeah, I never got a heck beat. He was Hollywood at one point. I'm just saying. No, no, no. It was good. It was good. He wasn't perfect enough. No, no, no, no. I gave you the beat. I gave you the beat. Yeah, you gave me the beat.
Starting point is 01:48:52 I gave it to you. No, no, no. It's the beat. It's the beat. It's the beat. It's the beat. It's the beat. It's the beat.
Starting point is 01:48:59 It's the beat. You found it. You found it. I was like, wait. I was like, wait. We got beats. Listen, listen. We're not there. We're not there. I said, go record it. I said, go lay it.
Starting point is 01:49:16 I said, hold on. I ain't even want the bread. No, I need one to bread Try to make us get to work Let me ask nature so now Yes, sir from the y'all to y'all yes, sir now wild That's that's still in the major as well. No, I was independent Independent that was that was like yo, we no longer on a major label. We try to deliver something independent. But I had my dudes all around me.
Starting point is 01:49:56 Because on the first album, I didn't really have features. I had one feature, which was Nas. You know what I'm saying? Real shit. I had Nas. And at that time... What song was that? What, the song? The song you had Nas on. What's the What song was that? What the song? The song you had Nas on.
Starting point is 01:50:06 What's the name of that? Ultimate High. Ultimate High? Yeah. Who produced it? Trackmasters. Let me ask as a fan. I swear to God this is not an O.R.E.
Starting point is 01:50:17 When the first album came out and it was just Nas. Was that something Trackmasters told you? That's all you need is Nas? Nah, I was kind of... I mean, please think about answering this. It was just nines. Was that something Trackmaster's told you that's all you need is nines? Nah, I was kind of I was mad. Think about answering this. It turned into
Starting point is 01:50:29 No, no, no. I'm talking about I just want to re-edit what I'm saying. Think about answering this because tell the truth. This is like,
Starting point is 01:50:37 you know. I, first of all What's that start? Nah, I mean Don't protect nobody in this one. When I started knowing
Starting point is 01:50:44 about the numbers that was spent I was kind of tight. The budget? Yeah, I mean, don't protect nobody in this one. When I started knowing about the numbers that were spent, I was kind of tight. The budget? Yeah, the budget, right? The budget part changes one thing. Which is you have to recoup that. Let's just, so everybody understands what's going on. What? It's having to re-forecast.
Starting point is 01:50:58 That's the word, re-forecast. I love re-forecast. When you re-forecast, that means you run out of money. What does that mean? It was a podcast. That means you run out of money. I'll be in. And you need to forecast.
Starting point is 01:51:07 That means you have to rebudget what you're doing. How you do that? How you rebudget? That's the second mortgage. That's the second mortgage. You spend the budget that they want you to. I ain't got no shit in my life. Listen, listen.
Starting point is 01:51:17 Tell us, please. No, no. This is real. I got a lot. I got a lot. I already did everything. I already did everything. The thing about the budget state is we'll spend,
Starting point is 01:51:25 we forecast, means we recreate it, and we'll make a whole other budget for the new vision. I've reforcasted a couple of times, and I always went green. Basically, you ran out of money. And you always went green, is it? Green.
Starting point is 01:51:39 I went green. Son, I sat there and watched a fucking, I got a piece of paper that told me that I owed one point something million dollars It's only showing me that Alright, tell him you're going too fast Let's go Alright, what happened?
Starting point is 01:51:54 Say it again When I finished I got re-forecast And had to get new money That means that That means all the days that we sat there I'll be your friend All the days that we sat there And I talked freely Talked freely All the days that we sat there and smoked and drunk and probably rented studio equipment that didn't finish the record.
Starting point is 01:52:17 And we had food budgets and we had entourages and we had the whole shit. They showed me, you have this bill that says you owe one point something million dollars. All the commerce is in the right places. And you're saying to yourself, how? Because there's a man that says, I'm going home.
Starting point is 01:52:42 Fuck, I like it. It pisses me off. It's sort of like this. I knew how. You. I like it piss me off. They're sort of like I got quite new how You know And people were raping the budget. I'm be honest. This is what I got a bit of tragedy could die Try to challenge tragedy could not be trained us pause sound increase pause. It sounded crazy. No, no, no. He had us prepared. Don't play with studio time. Don't play around with it. So we was like, what?
Starting point is 01:53:12 So we would go in the crib. We would sit there and be like, yo, alright. This is the beat. Alright, cool. Y'all niggas write to that. Me and Pone would sit there, write to the whole shit. So by the time we came to the studio we would knock shit out and I know this is cut that studio budget down but you're not going into it this is what I say one thing one
Starting point is 01:53:33 way to my thing no I gotta shine I got your thoughts I promise I promise but so I was like, what? And at first, I used to be like, wow, we got to practice and rehearse. Because that's what it was. And that was the mentality back then. And let me tell you something. I respect that shit. I've never been to a studio without recording seven records. Because I don't know how to play with studio time.
Starting point is 01:54:00 But I'm sorry. What you was about to say, sir? Can I get one question? Okay, let me get him in. Then we go right back to you. I promise you but we rock you you got your motherfuckers Because I see you watch you baby. Come on. We watch you looking good I recorded this album that I did for track masters for all seasons without having any rhymes
Starting point is 01:54:21 written rhymes written that means this whole album was recorded on the spot as we go in the studio and smoke some weed we were recording the classic album without any else is one way eight without you knowing one one point I'll tell you is you I'll tell you what it was seven000 when they first alerted you. Is that correct? I could fuck a budget this out. You spent plenty of nights having studio equipment. We have a Sam Ash. We have a full budget track.
Starting point is 01:54:56 We have a Yips. We have a fucking Monks. You went to Bearsville. I was there. We spent all kinds of money. We spent all kinds of money. We haven't spent all kind of money so um We're probably tragedy. He told not to spin up Thank you
Starting point is 01:55:23 Labels were inflating your costs on top of that. Listen, it's a stipulation in my contract to say that I'm signed to producers. So it's a stipulation in my contract saying that I have to have a certain amount of beats from the same producers that signed me. So I get the money and I have to pass the money off to the same, so I get the money. I can have the past the money off And it's a stipulation that I have to pass some of this money back to the same people that I got it from After they charge you. I want no money for that. And they charge me $20,000 a beat. Let me just back there.
Starting point is 01:56:08 Let me talk about it. They charge me $20,000. And they charge me $20,000 a beat. The same people that work with Will Smith and Mariah Carey and Nas. Did you write Kobe Bryant's rhymes? No. When they was doing Kobe Bryant. They doing what?
Starting point is 01:56:24 I let them break up with Kobe. I'm going to break up with Kobe to the circus. You let them break up with Kobe? Nah, when they was doing Kobe, they was doing Kobe Bryant. They doing a lot. I'm gonna bring a Kobe to the circus. You gonna bring up a Kobe? Nah, I didn't get one. I got one. I didn't get one. But I'm around. You got a copy though. But I'm around.
Starting point is 01:56:37 I don't think he does. He has one with all that shit. That's my shit. Shine is the name of the record, right? Yes, you forgot. Shout out to the people that forget their records. Yeah, goddamn. But we love him. We do shit. We take it on for the team. We do what we do. And we still keep pushing, you know what I'm saying? And we hear...
Starting point is 01:56:59 It's a lot of stories. My drink chance could go five hours, but we ain't here for that. No, we here. And between both of y', but we here for that Support because He can do things that I can't do. He can do things that I can't probably shot like five video that's the way you see that's a bit happen it's the next day I shot five videos you don't do that no but I don't know that bringing it right to chat to poverty Shout out to Poverty. I got to ask you. Get it done. I got to straight up ask you as a brother.
Starting point is 01:58:09 Because the rumor was Nature could beat anybody lyrically. Anybody that Nature could get on a record with, Nature could beat them lyrically. But I got to ask. Is there any time before Nature was lazy?
Starting point is 01:58:27 A lot of times. That's the name. That's the theory about me. Because like I said, due to the fact that I wasn't coming to the studio with pre-prepared songs and rhymes, it might take me a minute to write these rhymes in the studio. So because it might take a minute to write this record, they might say, nature's lazy. It's not that nature's lazy, it's just
Starting point is 01:58:50 nature's home situation. It's not really good as far as locking everything out and diving into this music. That's the best work environment. That's not what it is. But when it comes down to the music, you put me in a room with the best, I become the best work environment. That's not what it is. But when it comes down to the music,
Starting point is 01:59:06 you put me in a room with the best, I become the best. I become the best. You ever freestyle before? Have you ever just wanted to... I'm not one of those guys that's in a circle because I felt that I did it for so long. I'm asking the question.
Starting point is 01:59:20 Do you ever freestyle? If you feel like you're a brother in a seat, can you freestyle? Nah, you know what it was for me? I've been in the ring. Not the ring. But I've been around the best. The GOATs.
Starting point is 01:59:33 The best. The best. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. How about just having it already in your head?
Starting point is 01:59:43 Jay-Z supposedly writes every four bars. You know, Eminem does the same thing. You might lay four bars. You got studio time. And Big did it. You know, you sit in the studio, smoke a good. You're going to lay four at a time sometimes. No, let me tell you something.
Starting point is 02:00:00 Because even if I sat at the crib and I pre-wrote it, I thought it was dope. Once it's time to perform, it's a different kind of shit, bro. It's like playoffs It's like what's your favorite record to perform? Paying the record to perform I'm gonna make when did we get banned from TV? When did we get banned from TV? See, I could make a rhyme right now. I could make a rhyme right now. But that's not what I'm going to do. But I could make a rhyme right now off my head.
Starting point is 02:00:31 I'm chilling with you, sitting at the table with you. You know what I mean? Yeah, make the rhyme, fucker. Let's see if you can make the rhyme. Look, look, look. Look, I'm on Drink Champs. Drink Champs. Sitting next to Normie.
Starting point is 02:00:44 Sitting next to Nature. I ain't got to hate you. I ain't got to champs. Drink champs. Sitting next to Normie. Sitting next to nature. I ain't got to rage you. I ain't got to hate you. I just drink. That's in my nature. Niggas pop open bottles. Do say. Haste is stage.
Starting point is 02:00:54 Y'all niggas out here wishing I was here. But y'all ain't that paid. Y'all ain't that made. I'm that racket. Somebody pass the bracket. My niggas couldn't even wear this type of jacket Whoa, it's like a gazelle. Yeah niggas out here trying to propel Watch out You ain't got it. You ain't got it. You ain't got it. Hold on. I'm saying, I'm on a different type of.
Starting point is 02:01:28 He writes rocket science. He writes rocket science. Let it be a reminder I'm on a different type of designer. You know what I mean? You're on a different type of designer. I'm on a different kind of designer. You know what I'm saying? No, it's about that hunger.
Starting point is 02:01:45 You know, you can have that history. You know what I mean? But look at the Lakers. LeBron, 17th year. They beat them young boys. You know, I watch how the young boys act against the legends. You hear me? That's why I love them.
Starting point is 02:02:02 I love them. Keep that door. Keep that door. I'm a Laker fan. Let me tell you something.? Hold up, hold up. That's my, I love him, I love him. Keep that door, keep that door, keep that door. I'm a Laker fan. Let me tell you something. Bam from TV. Another shot. Bam from TV.
Starting point is 02:02:10 That's the favorite record you've ever heard. I love Miami. Bam from Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami.
Starting point is 02:02:15 I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami.
Starting point is 02:02:16 I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami.
Starting point is 02:02:17 I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami.
Starting point is 02:02:18 I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami.
Starting point is 02:02:18 I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami.
Starting point is 02:02:18 I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami.
Starting point is 02:02:18 I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I love Miami. I'm going to keep it on there. I'm going to keep it on there. Being from TV is like a perfect reminder that there are niggas out there that you don't know that can kick you in your fucking ass. I like that. Let's bottom up. Bottom up. That was a live lesson.
Starting point is 02:02:39 Bottom up. No, because we brought this, and it's's not like that because nothing is a loss. No, one thing, real quick. But banned from TV is something that there are people out there that are hungry, that will kick you in your ass. The wolves are at the gate. Bada-mama. You got a shot? It's not his hat, mama.
Starting point is 02:02:59 Remember I said you were a bitch? Remember you were saying you were not a hyper? I got one thing I want to say, no you can't. You got to do that. Look, Aguilar. Oh yeah, I love you. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I got one thing I want to say. No, we good. We got you. Mama, I love you. No, Aguilar. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:08 I love you. Good. Good. Ag. Good. What's the boss say? You can take a shot. I don't think he got Mama Wanda.
Starting point is 02:03:14 He got Mama Wanda. No, he don't got it. He need it. Oh, yeah. Give him Mama Wanda. I want to just say a memory. I got a memory. Part of self.
Starting point is 02:03:22 Part of self. Wait. Wait. Wait for everybody to get a shot. They get up there and say, this is dope. This is so dope. Let's get a memory. Part of the show. Part of the show. Wait, wait, wait. Wait for everybody to get a shot. This is dope. This is so dope. Let's get a shot. I want it.
Starting point is 02:03:29 No, you're shot. You're shot. You're shot. Oh, sorry about that, sir. It's shot time. I ain't seen nothing. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:03:37 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm a witness to your greatness.
Starting point is 02:03:47 My nigga Nino. Norby, this is what I want to say. I need anybody to understand this right here. I come from Brownsville, but I met this man at his prime when he was a superstar. Biggest superstar in rap. One a superstar, biggest superstar in rap, one of the biggest superstars in rap, Noriega. Thank you, bro. I remember when you did Super Thug.
Starting point is 02:04:10 Yes, you were. And we was in, I think we was in Miami at the time, and you was on tour, and you had one last t-shirt that said Super Thug on it, and that was the whole tour. And I remember that Day when you got on the stage And everybody like What what what
Starting point is 02:04:29 What what what What what what What what what And that was just like And the crowd kept doing that shit And it was just like Antecillum You know what I mean
Starting point is 02:04:40 The energy And I got to witness that You know what I mean And um... Man, I'm sad. Let me ask you something though. This is your day. It's not my day. What's your favorite moment in hip-hop? No, no. We're family. I just wanted to say that.
Starting point is 02:04:54 That's important. In hip-hop, what's your favorite moment? If you could relive any moment in hip-hop, what's the time when you would go back? To be clear, for him or him watching it? Or To be clear, for him or him watching it? Or either? No, for him.
Starting point is 02:05:08 For you. If you will go back and say, you know what? I want to stay in this moment forever. Damn, son. That's a real question that you really dropping on me right now. Let me take a shot before I answer that. All right. Take a shot.
Starting point is 02:05:20 Yeah. I thought it was just a shot. It's a question I ask myself every day. You know what son? S-U-N, cause you sound like one. Really, like, when DMC. So we're 88? I tried to sneak in Madison Square Garden as a kid
Starting point is 02:05:46 Go see them and I did my ideas concert. Yeah This is my house that way. Yeah, I went with the door like TJ Swan TJ Swan, that's my favorite member the juice cool You took about the hook nigga nigga that I want to go see T I am we need to knows he was like my he said he said he said he went with his own set. It was this. It was this. This. It was Jusqu'u. You signed me. I thought I'd have to... No, but he was... I went to go hear that. I wanted to hear that.
Starting point is 02:06:31 I wanted to go hear Molly, but I went to hear Jusqu'u. T.J. Swann. But they was opening up for Run DMC at... Wow, that sounds legendary. Madison Square Garden. Yeah, the Garden. That sounds crazy. Whoa, the garden. That sounds crazy. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:06:50 So, you know, remember, you got a number 88. You know, when we was like 14, 15, you... I'm 11. I'm 77, I'm born. I'm 43. I'm 74, so, like, I'm a little older than you. Goddamn, I feel like an aged man. No, we all 75, 74. 76. I'm 77, 74. We're all the same. I'm 77, bro.
Starting point is 02:07:08 I'm 74. I mean, it's not that far. We're all on the same age group. We're on the same age group. Continue, man. Come on. So, you know, back then, like, my uncle, my uncle used to, you know. It took five years. This guy give me two years.
Starting point is 02:07:24 He'll take the two years from me. You guy give me two years. I'm taking two years from me. You know, five. I'm 77. He said 72. No, I said 74. I was thinking of him. All right, cool. I thought you were going to do 72.
Starting point is 02:07:33 I'm like, what the fuck? How did that go from 77 to 72? I ain't that messy, Nori. Hey, man. Hey, man. I'm still looking good. No Beijing or none of that. Yo, man.
Starting point is 02:07:41 I got you a little green. I got you a little green. I got you a little green. I got you a little green. I got you a little green. I got you a little green. I got you! Hey man! I'm still looking good, no Beijing or none of that! Yo, yo, yo! I got Coco Bean! Yo, Beijing! No Beijing!
Starting point is 02:07:54 Coco Bean, yo! What is that? That's what they said in Russia, Coco Bean. Coco Bean. That shit ain't working, man. That shit ain't working right here. I ain't give a fuck. That shit ain't working! Yo, come on, man! I got a couple days ago my daughter turned 20 let's shout out for that We out here, we out here, baby. Look, this is for cancer-free people. What? This is yours. This is yours.
Starting point is 02:08:30 I ain't gonna lie, I got those two blunts left for me. It's for me. I'm not gonna lie. I got you, though. You know, those are 72. They're different. I'm grateful. Listen, I'm old New York City lungs, man. I gotta have that Philly, Swiss-type of shit. Did you smoke Fanto leaf? Nope. This is my old New York City lungs, man. I got to have that Philly, Switzerland type of shit. You smoke Pronto, Lee?
Starting point is 02:08:46 Nope. Nope. Why you don't like Pronto? Because I'm old New York City lungs. I'm on the dirty, dirty. Like, shit with this shit was fucked up. You still like Philly Blunts? You didn't white out?
Starting point is 02:08:56 Of course I do. Yeah. Of course I do. You still go by the white out right now? You put me on the spot right now? Of course I do. Yes, of course I do. You still go by the YNL right now? You put me on the squad right now? Of course I did! You still go by Dutchmaster? Yes.
Starting point is 02:09:10 I stopped by on Dutchmaster. Let me tell you why. I'll tell you why. I'm in LA. It's after the Grammys, after these bullshits. I like these conversations, by the way. I go to a 7-Eleven. I'm talking about the Mexican games over there, the Bloods, the Crips. I walk in 7-Eleven. All of them are there at that one 7-Eleven. I talk about the Mexican games over there, the Bloods, the Crips. I walk in 7-Eleven.
Starting point is 02:09:25 All of them are there at that one 7-Eleven. For real, for some reason. And I'm like, yo, I walked in over there, I was like, fuck it. I knew who I am. So I just, I walked through, I said, fuck it. You know, fuck that.
Starting point is 02:09:37 They ain't running me out of here. And I walked through, and the guy said, what do you want, sir? I said, I give you like a five pack of those Dutchess. It was like the whole shit Blood I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it.
Starting point is 02:10:05 I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it.
Starting point is 02:10:13 I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it.
Starting point is 02:10:21 I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm little severe. I got a lot of the beer. Yes, it was a bit. Yeah, you could get different Which is great and then your shot is different. You know, you're gonna sit with you salute with 20 rules, bro Yeah I'm gonna change him. There's no rules. So what's the drink? Can you explain me the drink champ culture?
Starting point is 02:10:44 You will live living it right now. This is it. This is it. There's mad rules, but no rules at all. There's mad rules and no rules at all. And you know what the one more rule is? Respect our fucking legends. And you know what? Thank you. I love you guys. When I say that, anything you need from me, anything you need from me. But let me keep finishing picking you up.
Starting point is 02:11:26 And let me just tell you something. Like, you're supposed to be respected. You're supposed to be a red carpet. Because not only as an artist, you're not only
Starting point is 02:11:34 dominating shit as an artist and did certain things as an artist, but you also transitioned to a producer. And then you did it as a producer. And then nature,
Starting point is 02:11:43 the same thing. Nature, it's like, yo, bro, you was just thrown in the mosh pit of you know what banga bang you got you replacing this other guy and but you was on your own side and You kept going with the wild criminal you can't just just kept looking for it and the thing about it is man We want to salute y'all bro. This is what I'm saying. It's another shot time friends another shot time. We love y'all I'm gonna say this thing about him on my yes for the bottom of my heart. Yes my Birthday was yesterday. she died of cancer. Oh, man. I'm sorry to hear that, man.
Starting point is 02:12:26 Um, she was a veteran of the United States Army. Respect, respect. Um, you know, and I want to shout out all the homies that we lost. All the real homies. Real homies, real homies. You know, we lost a lot of people this year, man. This year had been a breakup call. This year had been really something else with this COVID.
Starting point is 02:12:47 This year been crazy, yo. Fucking insane. Insane. It's been unbelievable that we got to survive through this shit. And everybody in here, salute yourself for surviving through it and helping everybody wear masks. It's not over. This shit is not over. This shit about to get better than what we thought.
Starting point is 02:13:05 We got masks. We got masks in here. You know what I mean? We promoting. We're doing safe shit right here. And I'm healthy. I've been a hermit. Everybody always put me
Starting point is 02:13:16 and outcasted me until now. Because I was in the crib cooking up beats for likes like you. Likes like Nori. Likes like... Even I wish I could work with Nas. I wish I could remix King's Disease. I wish I could get that acapella and go in the crib.
Starting point is 02:13:32 Someone might hear this and get to do the acapella. Go in the crib. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. You know what? Because a lot of people are upset with them beats. I know you. I know what kind of beats you like.
Starting point is 02:13:44 I know what kind of beat you like I know Y'all But look everybody ain't gonna like everything but I know how to paint the picture I did this with Sadat X What's the name of the album again? It's called the gods have arrived today, baby Let's do it Now shot the shot the DJ jab at fat beats, you know That's it was that's the great provides to Down town LA I scared rope They got a store at Melrose? Nah, it's downtown LA by Skid Row. So anyway, they was like, yo, let's do it. And you know, Dot, me and Dot, you know, he just had a baby daughter.
Starting point is 02:14:55 Congratulations, man. Yeah, so Dot just had a baby daughter, man. He still having kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your nigga shit's too work. All right, you know what I mean? Yo, let me take over for right now. Listen, you know what I mean? Yo, let me take over for right now. Listen, you know what I mean, niggas and my friends?
Starting point is 02:15:08 They dicks don't work. They can't produce children. OK, let me just point them out right now. Let's stay disrespectful. Don't do that. Don't do that. Let's stay disrespectful to these people. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:15:19 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? We're going to produce some Star Rock. And we're going to ask how you came by that information. We're going to produce some Star Rock COVID. And we're going ask how you came by that information. Let's make some noise for Star Rock Colvin and Mr. Lennon. And then number dos is Diego. He's deez nuts on OnlyFans.
Starting point is 02:15:36 He got OnlyFans? And then our number three is Sensation. Sensation's The Haitian Sensation. There's never going to be a Sensation. Let's make some noise for Sanji. Sanji, the guy with the most kids. None of them his. And Boris.
Starting point is 02:15:55 You got about to 20. Boris still young. 20. Can you hear? And Eddie Giggs. Eddie Giggs. Eddie Giggs. Eddie Giggs. Eddie Giggs also makes some noise for Eddie Giggs.
Starting point is 02:16:04 He's my brother. I love him. And he's. He only adop Giggs. Maybe that's it. It also makes a noise for Eddie Giggs. He's my brother. I love him. And he's about 48. He only adopts kids. Oh. And his chest hairs and beard hairs is crazy. And he still makes pizzas, but he does not bust in nuts. Let's make some noise for him.
Starting point is 02:16:18 Because he only eats butts. He only eats butts. Do you ask him to let's keep it real? Nah. You don't eat ass? Nah. Let's go. Agar. He only eats butts. You ass eatin' this keyboard? You don't eat ass? Agabot. The Puerto Ricans sign a hit!
Starting point is 02:16:32 The Puerto Ricans sign a hit! It's coming! It's not even fair, man. Look, God. Hey, God. I kiss my women everywhere. You know what I mean? Me and my women, me and my wife, Hey, bro, we're gonna find a new move, actually. I kiss my woman everywhere. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:16:48 Me and my woman, me and my wife, we got our own personal business. I'm not gonna put it out there, but, you know. You ate an ass or two. I don't do that. I don't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, it's not like that. It's not.
Starting point is 02:17:02 All right, so let's say you eat ass. You don't ask and tell. This is part of Dream no, no. It's not like that. It's not. All right. So let's say you eat ass. You don't ask and talk, bro. This is part of your channel story. Let me tell you something. You eat ass. You make love to your woman. You got a wife. You got kids.
Starting point is 02:17:13 You make love to your woman. But everybody ate ass before. Let's be clear. You're not supposed to. If you a king, you're not supposed to dress in that. So it was never no night. It was never no night. I was saying, oh, shit.
Starting point is 02:17:23 I love you. If you love your woman, you got to eat ass. If that's what you call it, that shouldn't be. No You can't do that. You can't random pussy either. No, right now, I'm 46, bro. I'm not a young pup. I'm not a young pup. So I got a wife. I got a dad. You just getting married? And I'm in love.
Starting point is 02:17:54 I'm sorry. I mean, I'm not. I have a family. I'm about to put it on you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I love you. I want you to keep going.
Starting point is 02:18:01 I'm not saying anything. I want to be invited. Let me say something. I love my family. My girl's so crazy. My girl's so crazy over me. I wanted to be right. Let me say something. I love my family. My girl's so crazy over me, I don't know what to do. My woman's so crazy over me, I don't know what to do. You're welcome, too. And I'm crazy over her.
Starting point is 02:18:14 So we got to balance it out. We got to balance it out. We don't have to have a conversation in the middle of a conversation. Another shot? Another shot? That's how we do it. Let's do another shot.
Starting point is 02:18:27 That's how we do it. That's how we do it. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You might love me, I hope for a woman. You gonna do whatever to please me. That's all I'm talking about. We're like, yo, I'm gonna bug you.
Starting point is 02:18:35 Yo, whatever I got to do, please. Yo, for a fact, sometimes a nigga might go to the left because she got to go to the left. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:18:43 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yo, for a fact, sometimes a nigga might go to the left, cause she gotta go down on me anyway. And you gonna have to go down on her. It's a trade off. Everything's a trade off these days. Trade off the assassin. That's a good one Adam. I'm sorry I don't believe that I said drink that. You're exactly right. You're exactly right. And the light of what you said on that bar, that was very, very, very conversation. So my aura, because I know that I got to trade. I got to give to get.
Starting point is 02:19:35 You have to give to get. And he never gets to get. Yeah. My friend Eddie. Whenever he gets, he never gets it back. He just meet any bitch and say, I'm going to eat your ass. And the bitch is like, all right, fuck it. And then he's like, he's like Pornhub without the cameras. He's just it back. He just meet any bitch and say, I'm going to eat your ass. And the bitch be like, all right, fuck it. And then he's like, he's like Pornhub without the cameras.
Starting point is 02:19:47 Without the cameras. He's just a hub. Yeah, he's just a hub. Everybody has to end the freak. Listen, listen, listen. At the end of the day, Agalog, let's not judge nobody. No, we don't judge anybody. We haven't fucked right now.
Starting point is 02:20:01 I haven't smoked a blunt with him in 15 years. But we taking a shot. We taking 15 years. We taking a shot? We taking a shot? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. My brothers, my brothers, come on, man. Wait, wait, wait, let's wait. How is a fucking gnat just getting hit? Mmm, bro.
Starting point is 02:20:20 Yes, sir. So, yo, me, you know, I just keep making That's a movie quote. That was a movie quote. I'm sorry. Where we at? Where we at? Hold on. It's right up there. Listen, listen, listen, big bro. I love you. Thank you for having me. I know your time is money. No, we're waiting for you, bro.
Starting point is 02:20:51 And I'm not trying to waste it, but I got to promote my shit. Promote your shit? Please. Today. That's what you're here for. What's your name, bro? Me? It's the guy that got an album called The Gods Have a Ride.
Starting point is 02:21:02 Peace to the gods. The gods have a ride. Let's keep it real. let's put the tricks down. That's Legends x Legend, that's the dialogue. Put the tricks aside, put all of this shit aside for me. Did you ask do Nation still eat pork? Cause Nation still might have the bacon and cheese sandwich. Fuck off man.
Starting point is 02:21:20 I don't smoke cigarettes. You don't smoke cigarettes no more? Stop smoking cigarettes. You're gonna go smoke cigarettes? Stop smoking cigarettes. You're gonna go smoke cigarettes. I know things are better than I eat pork. You ain't eat pork. I'm just trying to keep it a B. You know, I love y'all at Drink Champs.
Starting point is 02:21:37 We gonna do the drinks. We gonna do that. But now, it's like, I just wanted to let y'all know that I've been in this all my life I ain't never get All my life And I'm still here for you
Starting point is 02:21:50 And I'm still here for you And Drink Champs And I'm thankful that y'all got me And y'all niggas is Epic to me Both of y'all Lyrically I would love
Starting point is 02:22:01 I would love a chance of that A chance of epicness In Smurian Nation Moment of time I'm gonna drink So many cups I Know this is my job. I know I cook and I seen your cooking show. I don't have a cooking show. I have a food show. I eat. I don't cook. I burn cereal. You don't want me to cook nothing. Oh, shit. You just told me just now. I thought it was a cooking show, though. It's a food show. I just eat food. I don't cook. Oh, that shit dope as fuck, you go to restaurants to eat like
Starting point is 02:23:19 Like oh shit Oh shit, I'm sorry to see you. Oh my gosh. There they go. You're home. Oh shit You always was an aspiration I know a lot of brothers, man. I know who will bother you. No, no, no. All you got to do is do it. That's what you have to know. No, no, no. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. You my brother. You ain't got to ask nobody. You got to get with the man and support him. All right.
Starting point is 02:23:54 You my brother. But you're an inspiration to a lot of brothers just because no matter what, you refuse to be counted out. You do it your way. You know what I'm saying? You do it your way. You represent the culture. You do it your way. You know what I'm saying? You do it your way. You represent the culture. You do it your way.
Starting point is 02:24:08 You're my brother. Our stories, no matter what, you can't talk about me without talking about you. You know what I'm saying? I want to start a new record with y'all, though. Listen, by the way, I want y'all to know, this is Drink Chance.
Starting point is 02:24:20 This is Drink Chance. We are standing for the two legends. In case y'all don't know, this is motherfucking nature. From Queensbridge, this is Aguilar, this is motherfucking... He's always his family, baby. Aguilar did four different eras. He's from Brownsville, the motherfucking... I'm from Queens, too. I'm from the left-right, too.
Starting point is 02:24:39 Yeah, yeah. Got to make some noise for that. Let me take a picture. One more shot. Yeah, yeah, goddamn Mason Lloyds for that. Let me take a picture with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, son. Yeah, yeah. Come on. It's my thing. Come on. I want to take a picture. I want to take a picture.
Starting point is 02:24:49 We going to talk after this. I ain't know that. I ain't know that. I ain't know that. Yo, everything I love, this man right here is why New York City got a name. Hey, hey. And courtesy of this man's nature, him too. Yes, sir. You know a courtesy of this man nature. Him too. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:25:08 What happened? No, no, we're not done. We're not done. He's taking a piss. Let's talk. Let's talk. Can we do an album? This is the birth of an album right here. Come on, guys. I mean, at the end of the day, it's an album.
Starting point is 02:25:24 Let me tell you something. I'm not saying you're selling me a switch, bro. Come on guys Me Smith store got a song called demon game can't get on I'm FYI, this is Drink Shaps. We're definitely recording. You can use it as a skit in the album if you want, but it's being recorded. Get on it with me and we doing a video out here in Miami with Drink Shaps. We had it in South Studios. It's about the love, bro. Come on, it's hip-hop. It's hip-hop. You gotta stop thinking political about shit. I love you. I love you if you want to. I would love to.
Starting point is 02:26:06 Let him respond, nigga. Let him respond. Let him respond. That's me. It's your bro. It's your bro. It's your bro. Come on. I'm singing again. This guy's good, but I can't overlook the flight information, brother. I got to get out of here at a certain time. Oh, today, bitch. No, got to get out of here at a certain time. Oh, today, man. No, I'll get out of here tomorrow.
Starting point is 02:26:28 He'll do a double album with you before the night's done. Yo, I'm singing this song right now. I'm a fan. We're singing this song right now. We got dudes, we got guys over here that can make it happen. I mean, this guy got me. I love this guy. I love this guy. We're singing this make it happen. I mean, this guy got beat. I mean, I love him. I love him so much.
Starting point is 02:26:46 I love him so much. Let me say this one right now. Let me say this one right now. I'm going to throw it into your email. All right, cool. Let's do a couple pictures with Nate, then a couple pictures with everybody else. All right, cool. I was going to let you go down the floor.
Starting point is 02:26:58 Okay, I'm in. No, no. You can take the pictures. I thought you had me in. No, no. This ain't mine. I love these brothers. These my brothers. I have my shot ready. I'm taking my shot. I'm going to make a business. No, no, this ain't my... I love these brothers. These my brothers. I have my shot ready.
Starting point is 02:27:08 I'm going to the shot. Thanks, A. I got a drink. I got no shot. I can't give shots. Yo, come on. Mr. Shots. Yo, D, what's up, son? I wanted to meet you.
Starting point is 02:27:24 You know what? I got a ready for music. You know what? I'm trying to get Mr. Sean. Anybody want to? Yo, Mr. Lee, I'm not ready for give shot. I'm not ready. You good? I'm ready. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:27:32 You good. Oh, shit. How you doing? I felt a kind of vibe like, we're going to do this one time. I don't know. I don't know what he's talking about. Yo, yo, fuck it. Nature.
Starting point is 02:27:40 Nature. He feels great. He feels great. He feels great. He feels great. He feels great. He feels great. He feels great. He feels great. I'm gonna do this one time Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, Game four. When them niggas beat the Nuggets. Oh, I did. Y'all get your round. The bubble. I haven't seen the bubble yet.
Starting point is 02:28:30 I've been in the game. I've been in the game. I'm trying to get some minutes. Can I get my minutes? Yeah, I'm just trying to get his minutes. He's got the minutes. He's got the minutes. What's the noise when y'all are getting his minutes?
Starting point is 02:28:42 They started the way I would have guessed it. They changed the game against the y'all again this minute? They started the way Howard against it. They changed the game against the Nuggets. They started the way Howard. I'm the way Howard, baby. Anything you want to get out of this? Yeah, guys, let's get everything out of the way and take this picture. Remember this last one? I love it, Bob.
Starting point is 02:28:57 Put your hands under here for everybody to get out of the way. I don't care where you're from. There's one thing you want to get out of the way. One thing before we get out of here. You know what I'm saying? In networking, we're doing a lot of shit for the community outside of rap. What's the org? What's the, you said you got a non-profit.
Starting point is 02:29:11 I'm not really sure right now, but you know what I'm saying? If you in, if you. What is it? You can know yours. You can say it loud, you can scream. So basically it's a non-profit, so one step at a time. One step at a time. One step at a time. Yeah, we got a whole lot of opportunity, guys. I Was a foster kid group okay one step at a time I'm supporting Socks, both bags, hijinks, hats. October 10th. Send us whatever links, whatever you can get. October 10th.
Starting point is 02:29:46 October 10th. October 10th. Yeah, please send it to us so we can get the word out. We got everything we'll make it happen. Yeah, yeah. We're giving out sneakers. We're for the hood. We're doing a lot of things for the community.
Starting point is 02:29:54 It's dope. Non-profit. It's dope. It's dope. I did it there. I did it in Longmore. I'm trying to get it in. Dope.
Starting point is 02:30:02 Next one, October 10th. I'm part of that. All right. Non-profit. We're giving out shit for the community. I'm part of that. I'm a prophet. We're giving out shit for the community, for the kids, for sneakers, all kinds of shit that they need. It's all for the kids. Trick shots for the kids. Trick shots for the kids.
Starting point is 02:30:19 Real talk, this is real shit right here. You know what I mean? I mean, there's a lot of people out there in need. There's a lot of things. No, absolutely. We laugh, we joke, we talk about a lot of things, but we were trying to do shit for the community. No, ultimately, that's what it's about, yeah. Thank you, thank you, thank you, nature.
Starting point is 02:30:33 Yeah, no. Word. Thank you, thank you. I just want to thank Drake Chaps for having me. Me and Sadat X album, we got an album out right now. It's called The Gods Have Arrived. You know, shout out to Sadat X. He can't be here. Legend. an album out right now. It's called The Gods Have Arrived. Shout out to Sadat.
Starting point is 02:30:48 He can't be here. He had a baby daughter. Shout out to his family. Right now, I just want to thank Ed for having me. My wife, putting this all together. You, of course, Mr. Noriega. Follow me on Instagram and all that
Starting point is 02:31:06 and buy my album. Please support the hip-hop movement that still exists today, that's out here. We like the Beatles, baby. Don't use the needles, baby. Yeah, man. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:31:23 I got one shot. I took it down. I took it down. Yes, sir. Hold on, let me put it up. I got more shot. I like it. Thank you. Love you.
Starting point is 02:31:38 Love you. Thank you. Thank you for giving me. Thank you for putting me in Take a picture with Nature first. Hey, baby, let's get together. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by yours truly, DJ EFN and NORE. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials.
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