Drink Champs - Episode 233 w/ Mic Geronimo, Royal Flush & Capone

Episode Date: October 23, 2020

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today’s episode, The Champs chop it up with the legendary Mic Geronimo.Being the first hip-hop artist signed to TVT/Blunt Recordings, Mic Geronimo released his classic debut album “The Natural” which featured his friend and legendary recording artist Royal Flush and production by Irv Gotti, Buckwild and more.On this episode, Mic Geronimo discusses the good and bad side of the music industry and working with legends like JAY Z, DMX, Diddy, Ja Rule & The Lox. Mic Geronimo shares incredible stories about 2Pac and how he built a close friendship with him.DC Alumni Royal Flush & Capone also join the conversation. This episode of Drink Champs is a special one, as it features three guests who are part of a legacy that helped start an underground movement in hip-hop. This movement would eventually move hip-hop in a certain direction and never looked back.Make some noise!!!Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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motherfuckers Where every day is New Year's Eve It's time for Drink Champs Drink up, motherfucker What it good be, hope it is what it should be This is your boy, L-A-O-L-A-A What up, it's DJ E-F-N And this is the military of Crazy War Radio Motherfuckin' Drink Champs Make some noise! And right now, when it comes to legends,

not only legends, but a Queens legend, when it comes to people that have bar lords, lyrical lord, you know what I'm saying? Really had the game. His first album really changed everything in Queens. You know what I'm saying? Laid the legacy, laid the foundation

for those that's coming from flushing after him. You understand what I'm saying? People have to show that respect and do that. The man has worked with, he's grew up with large professor. He has worked with the likes of Puff Daddy, Hitman produced his whole shit, Irv Gotti, and he had Jay-Z when Jay-Z was Jay-Z.

And Ja Rule before he owned this champagne, goddammit. He had records with him like that. In case you don't know who I'm talking about, we're talking about the legendary, extraordinary Mike, motherfucker, Geronimo! Thank you, thank you. Now, Mike, you got one of the most unanswered stories in hip-hop, right?

Because when I look, I look at a lot of the interviews, you know, go back and do the research, and it was like back then, you didn't really talk too much. No. Yeah. Why is that? I think some of it, bro, is just my nature. Like, I never been a boisterous personality.

I was never that. Like, I was just always, yo, Mike is here. You know, he bugging with everybody. He smoking, drinking. He in the cut, you know. And I think a lot of that played a big part as to why I guess I was, for lack of a better term, reserved and quiet. And I could see how it could kind of, you know, I looked timid, you know. And then the other side of it was just, I don't know, maybe it was my dad, like, from an early age. My dad was always like, listen, boy, you can show people way better than you can tell them.

Yeah. You know, and so even when things would arise that I felt maybe I should say something. Right. I just wouldn't. And then, like, I think X said it best for me. He's like, yo, you care too much about everything. He said you care too much. I care too much. He talking about DMX.

DMX, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to get it properly. Plastical. He'd be like, yo, you care too much about everything. And what I mean by that is I always take every single soul into consideration with what's said, what's not said, how it's said, when it should be said. There's a time and place for everything. That's just how I came up. You know, so I think it's a combination of the two. And I'm a very, you know, you get get older you realize so much more about yourself that you never

Allowed yourself to see so I'm coming to terms. I'm like you're just a private personality Mike like you know And I'm always you know around people and around folk and around you know, whatever we doing But just by nature that's just me now the first album, it was on Blunt TVT? Yeah. Okay, and then the second album, it was like, what was the Hollywood label, was it Blunt now? Or was it, I dropped the Blunt and it was TVT? You know, they had gone through so much of a,

for all intents and purposes, it was still TVT slash Blunt recordings. But Blunt was like the Holla label, so that's what they went with? Blunt was actually supposed to be a division of, and it was what they were trying to make the urban. The hip-hop division, right. Right. Of TVT, because TVT was like...

They had like nine-inch nails and shit on TVT. Yeah, I was going to say, shout out Trent Reznor and Bounty Killer. Okay, Bounty Killer, that's right. I remember, yeah. He was signed to TVT, too, and they had so much of a smorgasbord, in a sense, of artists. But they were mainly known for TV tunes,

like you just said. Gottlieb had purchased everything from the Jetsons to the Jefferson, which it was amazing. Once I got older and more assertive, and I realized the magnitude of what that one deal did for him as an owner, a proprietor, a distributor. Right. I think it was an ingenious thing to do at the time.

Right. And then so, TVT decided they were going to get into hip-hop, and Blunt was supposed to be the flagship division of overall. But the first album is at TBT and Blunt, right? Yeah, they all did. Okay, they all did, okay. It had to because the natural. I hate the way he walks off the block.

The natural was actually the first album TBT, Blunt, ever rap-wise ever did. Wow, let's make some noise for that. Yes. Wow. I think that added more pressure, too, because I was like the first hip-hop artist they had ever signed.

Right. Which was why Gotti at the time was like, listen, this is the best home for us because you're the first artist on a brand-new label that wants to be involved in it. Thank you so much. Yes, yes. I appreciate it. You can't put yourself up there. Come on, give a shout out label that wants to be involved in. Thank you so much. Yes, yes. I appreciate it.

You can't point yourself out. Come on, get a shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never had this. You've never had this? It's $3.50 a bottle. That means it's $20. Can I say something real quick?

Can I say something real quick? Let's go, baby. Real quick, I'll say this because I'm so happy. Bro, I'm so happy for you. No, hold on. We'll get back to that. You're going to send some A's, baby.

Send some A's, baby. We'll get to that. But like I was saying, going back to it all, I had a lot on me because I was the first artist on a brand new label and they were independent.

Right. But they had a shitload of revenue. Like Penalty was independent. Yeah. Penalty was independent. Yeah, but... Were you around

with the Brian Lee's days? Yeah. B came in in between my first and my second album. And so, Flush, I think, was his whole on first hand, like, just B at the helm, his audience. When he came, I was the first one, the first project, he actually was like, okay, I'm here. This is the first project, he actually was like, okay, I'm here. This is the first project he was working on. And then from there, like, shout out B-Leach. That's my brother

for life. We went through so much, bro. Who? Brian Leach. Oh, Brian Leach. Okay. Yeah, shout out Brian Leach. We went through so much. Up, down, high, low, you know, dangerous shit, all sorts of shit. Wasn't it when you, I heard Yo Gotti was signed to TBT, too? Yeah.

That's true. He was. Get the fuck out of here, man. Yo Gotti been around that long? Yeah. I'll do you one better. Steve Gottlieb had the opportunity at one time to sign Jay-Z. Jay-Z.

I imagine DMX, too. He could have signed DMX. He could have signed the Dog Pound. Wow. And he could have signed Eminem. Wow. Because all of those people had somehow, someway

made their way up to that office and each of them for the life of me, I don't know why. Wow. He declined. How did you get hooked up with Steve? Got him. Oh, okay.

Like, bro, in the beginning, bro, I didn't, all I knew was I met her at a talent show. Right, a talent show. I heard that you met at a talent show. Well, I was performing. And you really didn't even rhyme, you said at that time.

Nah, bro, the way I started, like, I started as a DJ. Oh, he was a DJ. And I got that because of going to Large Crib. All right. Every day, like you said, I grew up with Large. Like, Large literally was the first person. Hold on.

You're going too far, too fast. Hold on. Calm down. Stay with that story. Yeah, bro. I'm good. Nah, so Large actually interacting at that crib, that made me get technique. Okay.

You know, so every day I was going to Hot Watch, getting records, 12 inches, all that shit. And that was just the culture back then. How do you go transitioning from DJing to artist? By accident. And your first record that you ever did was your demo, and that demo happened to be your single, and that single happened to be your first fucking hit record.

Make some fucking noise for that shit. That's Aonu, just think about that. This shit is real. That was the first time I had never in my life recorded a record before shit's real. Matter of fact, when I was recording shit's real, the nigga Gotti stopped the shit halfway. And he was like, yo, you ain't never stopped this shit halfway And he was like yo You ain't never did this shit before and I was like nah, and he's like you sure and I was like nah He's like you comfortable. I said yeah, and he just did the ill maniacal. I know you heard that laugh

Like that and then he was just like yo keep going nigga And I ain't even have the hook bro Cause I was so used to Like me and Flush just being anywhere Anytime spitting So I didn't even know song structure I didn't know 16 bars I didn't know the hook comes in here I didn't know

Yo whatever your hook is That's the topic of this I was just a calico. You just held it down and I. But I'ma tell you something. As a Queens nigga, right? When I seen the video, I thought you was from Jamaica. But listen, I'ma tell you what it is.

I got family. You know everybody in Queens thought you was from Jamaica because you went to Basely and 40. Right. And I went, look back at the video this time, I did see Casino Boulevard.

Right, we was in front of, in front of, in front of a mall. It flew over my head as a young nigga in Queens. But back then, Basely and 40 was like so much

more known at the time. Everyone, and everyone from Basely near 40 claimed you. It was like, yeah, he for me, he for me. So how was that? How was that? I mean, on a personal side, my cousin lived in Southside. He lived in Bricktown.

My cousin Reb. Shout out my cousin R.E.B. So I would be at Reb Crib every day then. You know, if I wasn't in Carlisle or Colton, I would go to Southside. So I knew Southside, plus when I was a kid, we lived on Fern Place. Wow. You know what I mean?

So I did a lot of moving around as it could be. Like you said, keep everything in the lane, you'll get to it. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. So I knew niggas from Southside. Right. And you know, I'll be honest,

I was outside, bro. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? I was outside. I was outside. So I knew older dudes from that. But did you ever get slack from flushing? Because, like, a lot of people did think that you was from Jamaica. You know what it was?

They would be like, at the most, I would get like, yo, son, you don't rep the block, man, blah, blah. And I'm like, y'all niggas is crazy. Because we got to be clear, Prodigy, everyone knows deep down inside, you know, rest in peace, and God bless the dead, and all that, but everybody knows P was never from the bridge. If you from Queens, you definitely is.

It was like a secret, you know what I'm saying? So when we seen that first video with you, a lot of people thought that that was the move that you were making, like claiming. Oh, they thought I was? Yeah, no, I'm being honest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this was all sincere.

I'll be honest. Because Prodigy went with the neighborhood that was more known. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it looked like, and it looked like, you know, because this is what it looked like. It looked like you was going to be Nas' direct competition.

You know what I'm saying? Yo, wow. And I'm just saying, like, maybe it was people strategically putting this together or maybe this is something that it just looked like. Was the timeline that close? I mean, Illman was here before. It was very close.

I feel like it was like UK. You were 95, right? Yeah, but interesting stuff. Nas actually was one of the first people that made me believe that Shiswell was going to do something. Wait a minute. Okay, talk about that. I went to Large Crib maybe a week after we recorded Shisrael.

And we also did a B-side called Heming Heads and we sampled Nas. We sampled a fucking man. He said some shit he said where he's like, I'm the fucking man. I'm going to stop you for a second. Because you and Nas don't have a record together, right? No. See, this is the crazy thing. When you did,

you see what he just said? Like, him and Nas not having a record together. Him and Big L not having a record together. You think there was no relationship there because sometimes

the record does mark our history. Like, you got a record with fucking Jay. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, continue what you were saying. I'm sorry.

No, it's cool. No, so, um, I remember playing him and him and his. No, no, no. Shit is real, you said., no, so um, I remember playing him Hem and His. No, no, no, shit is real, you said. Yeah, like, but first I played him the B-side. Okay. And it was just me and him and Lars.

Me and him and P was in the crib, and I played the shit, and then I played them shit's real. And they got mad quiet. And I'm not gonna lie, when they got quiet, I kinda was like, uh-oh. Like, you thought your shit was wax? Yeah, so for high set, bro, And I'm not gonna lie when they got quiet. I kind of was like oh It was Cricket what's up? And then they go when you say they who is they? It's crazy that that's the only one who's a doctor. I know that. I know that. I know about that. So, larger Nas is the only ones in the crib.

And first, Nas was like, yo, that first shit you played where you like sample my shit. He's like, nah, I'm going to be honest. I don't really like that one. He's like, but yo, that shit's real shit. Yo, you should be on the radio tomorrow. And when he said that, I was kind of like, like I kind of

was like, whoa. And you gotta understand, just like I was telling, I was a DJ. So the whole rap shit to me, I think it happened actually. This is really your first two records you ever... First two records. And then Large did the... Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Your impersonations are on point. I think that's you. I think that's you, Mike G. I think that's you, Mike G. And Illmatic had dropped or Illmatic ain't dropped yet? No, not yet, but I had the privilege of... Hearing Illmatic prior.

Yeah, like... But he was already buzzing because he had done the joints to Live at the Barbecue and Back to the Red again, Yeah, at that point, when he was like

around our neighborhood, I want to say he was just dealing with, I think he was dealing with searching them. Yeah, yeah. And I think that was like a little bit

before Illmatic came out. And Citizen Reels, 95 though, right? Around that time, yeah, 94, yeah. And I think that was like a little bit before Illmatic came out. And Shit Is Real was 95 though, right? Around that time, yeah. 94, 95. Can we fact check that? And Illmatic, I wanted to say something. And it's crazy because like I said, I never was just something I was doing. And to be honest, I was just like, like people would say, why did you do shit's real? And I'd be like, at that time,

running around, not being certain. And you know how it was back then. Like, we got friends that's not here. Right. You know, from that time. Right. And I just looked at it like, all right, well, if I do this,

at least I won't just be... 94. 94. That's right there, right there. Shit is real? And then L Maddox is 92 or... 94. No, That's right there, right there. Shit is real, and then Illmatic is 92, or... 94. No, no, it's right there.

That's what I'm saying. And you gotta remember, these singles are being dropped for DJs way before these albums are coming out. I want to ask you something. What's up? I want you to fact check. So April 19th is Illmatic 94,

and then Shit is Real is June 10th 94. Okay. Yeah, see, you see... It's weird, bro. So, let me answer this question for you. Mm-hmm. Did you drop, because I was in jail, so obviously I didn't, I didn't, I didn't-

You were, because I remember the day I met you. Yeah, I was in jail, bro. You were in jail? Yeah, I was in jail, yeah. I could pull one, too. So, this is what we don't, this is what I don't know. Did you actually drop, because I first see the video It was just the video. I never had heard the record, but I was in Poughkeepsie, New York

They ain't playing, you know everything so this is a question I don't know the answer to so did you ever drop the record first and then the video or was like how? Beyonce is doing now the video in the record What happened was Irv had decided, like, we recorded it, and I think he was getting a response from, you know, like, people in the game. Uh-huh.

And at that time, we was going to the labels simultaneously. Okay. And I remember him one night being like, yo, man, this shit ain't, yo, fuck that. I'm pressing this shit up on my own. We're going to press this shit up and just shoot the video. And I remember being like, how?

And he was like, I don't know. But we're going to figure that out. That shit is real. That was a hype who shot that video, right? Yeah, it was. That was hype fucking Williams? And you ain't going to skip over that? No.

He said, no, I'm still on it. He told me, stay here, stay here. No, no, no. I'll get to the hype shit. Shout out Hype Williams because I shot that shit on a camera that was no bigger than this bottle. So in a lot of ways,

and I'm saying this for our, you had something to do with the beginning of Hype and the beginning of Earth. Wow. Let's pour you some more H, my guy. Pour you some more H. I feel like it's shot time, too. Oh, yeah, I am. I am. Oh, yeah, I'm with you. Shot time. Let's do it. Let's pour you some more H, my guy. Pour you some more H. I feel like it's shot time, too. Oh, yeah, I am. I am.

Oh, yeah, I'm with you. Shot time. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yo, so you know what? It was just... Uh-huh. I don't know, bro. I guess it was just what it was supposed to be, because there was all these first things happening... Right.

...but in conjunction with each other, and it wasn't just that. It was happening so fast. What kind of shot you want, sir? What you doing? I'll do some collado on white grape. I told you, you shoot, I grab the wheel. Let's do what you doing.

Let's do some collado, we don't got no watermelon? We all right. Racist, we ran out of watermelon. Racist, man. Go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead. Nah, so like I was saying, it was just broad, cause it was all these things happening and it was happening so fast, bro. Right. these things happening, and it was happening so fast, bro.

Right. Just so fast. And it was happening so fast that when he pressed Shits Real, like, there's an original 12-inch that's a black label with a, like, silver Mike Geronimo heading on it, whatever. Not the one with the picture of you on it. No. Right, right.

That's the Shits Irv press. And after he pressed them, yo, we No. Right, right. That's the shit. It's Irv Press. And after he pressed him, yo, we would go everywhere, bro. We went to any club that any DJ was at at that time. And either he would give him the record

or he would send me, like I remember giving it to Flex in the Palladium. And I was just... You remember you used to have to give your records to a DJ. Facts, bro.

Not email. Nah, not email. He's a DJ, too, so he kind of already knew what it was. But you know what's crazy? I didn't look at it like... I think it was one of them things, like sometimes being oblivious to something is the best thing in the world.

Because you just... Take the shot and explain that. Like ignorance is bliss type shit? Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. To motherfucking Mike Geronimo.

Make some noise. I'm a wanna, baby. What's that? Soma Colada? Oh, that's good. That is good. All right, cool. If anybody wants to join me,

I'm a wanna. That was good. Can I have another one? Yeah, we got you. Hold on, hold on, hold on. So where was we? So I remember... That you were oblivious, hold on. So where was we? So I remember that you were oblivious, you said. Like I wasn't

preparing myself before I would walk up on anybody. I wasn't like, let me give them my sales pitch. I'll just go up to the DJ and I'll be like, yo, my name's Mike Geronimo. You were scared to give Tupac your CD. No, I wasn't scared. I think you're going fast.

What I remember is, right, Irv kind of... I did my studies. Right, in that scenario, Irv thrusted me into it. We was at Freaknik. In Atlanta. To go back, what I said to Flex was, yo, my name's Mike Geronimo. I did this record. If you like it, all I ask is you pump it. If you

don't, break this shit over your knee and you'll never hear from me again. Better than he hears from most people. And now that I think about it when I'm older I'm like well I was kind of ballsy for you to do as a child And you said it's the two box Yeah same thing Because you know what it is you're giving me an option not to like you That did I?

No I don't think so man As a DJ I respect the way he's coming up I think he's right and I'm going to tell you why Let me just tell you something as a hustler I don't give you a... Option A is sell and option B is sell in a different way.

DJs are used to cocky-ass artists keep coming up to you like this shit is the best in the world. I'm talking about Tupac. You're talking about the DJ. If you give me an alternative, if you come up to me and you give me an alternative, I'ma always pick the alternative because it's like,

all right, cool, you down yourself to a certain extent. But I didn't tell Pac that. Yeah, you did. I did say that. Yeah, you did. I said that pitch. You said this was Pac. I did tell him.

That's how I know that story. I did. Can the real Mike Geronimo stand over here? No, no, I've never met Pac. I don't see the interview with you. No, I remember we was at Freakman. Okay. And we was in the van.

And Earl said, pass me your CD. He's like, yo, there's Pac right there in front of the hotel. And the nigga Pac was smoking. You know, he's smoking a blunt, chilling. And I'm like, nah, I'm not going over there. That nigga just smoking. I'm not bothering this dude. What are you doing?

And he's like, nigga, go give him your CD. So now, since i see the tone you know i was like wait hold on bro like as if you were scared you had to right so i was like wait don't pull the marty mcfly shit with me so i was like all right fuck it so i jump out the van and i take the sticker because at the time we had these little red stickers with Mike Geronimo on them. I take the sticker, I take the CD, and I walked right up on the nigga Pac, and he was all into his blunt. And I was like, yo, bro, I don't want to bother you, but my name's Mike Geronimo. I spit, whatever it was I said, and I was like, here's my CD. And I was like, if you like it, rep it.

If you don't like it, break it over your knee. But he didn't trip. And it was crazy because he looked at the CD and then he took the blunt and he was like, and he looked at me and he was like, what you said, Mike Geronimo? And I was like, yeah. And he was like,

alright. And I walked away. Let's take a shot to my motherfucking Geronimo. Salute. Salute. Salute. And I didn't know whether he was going to play that shit or not, bro.

Next time you seen him was in the tunnel? Yeah. The first time that we, people got to understand. You held him down. Right. People got to understand.

Take your shot, brother. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You got to finish your shit over here down. Right. People got to understand like- You take your shot, brother? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You got to finish your shit over here. This is not called half a shot. You're dead.

I'll see what you want now. Nah, don't worry. I'm going to hit fifth gear because I see you already. You like foaming and whiffing. We have it happen. We have it happen. Boom. So, we was in the tunnel and people got to understand the umbrella I was under, to put

it that way. Right. But I know niggas know what I'm talking about. So it was certain folk connected to certain folk. Right. And we was all at the tunnel. Right. So I remember shout out BJ and shout out Stretch and Bags, rest in peace Bags.

You money Bags? Yeah. Rest in peace you money Bags. Shout out Bags, rest in peace Bags. P-Money Bags? Yeah. Rest in peace P-Money Bags. Shout out Bags. Oomph. Shout out Oomph. These are the people that was there. Okay.

So, you know, he's in the tunnel. Maju, I remember going up to him, but I was not, I'll be honest, I wasn't a fan of his music. I heard you almost say you didn't like him. Right, but you got to put it in context of which Tupac. The first one is the Holla If You Hear Me Tupac, I'm assuming. Right, so all of that I wasn't into. Brenda Got a Baby was like the only record that I was like, yo, that nigga from the West Coast who sings that Brenda shit, that shit is dope.

But that's the first one you mean, the Freaknik Tupac. Right, that's Freaknik Tupac. Fast forward, what year is it? Now I'm meeting- Not Death Row Tupac yet, is it? No, not yet. On the cusp of becoming Death Row Tupac. Okay, all right.

I wanna say, Me Against the World. If he was- Me Against the World. If he was at the top, he definitely wasn't Death Row Tupac. Right, so it was Me Against the World. Right. All the OG niggas is discussing what they discuss.

We not paying no attention to that. It's me, Webb, Pac, my brother And Oom We the ones that decide to break away from that main bar You know how it was nigga You came in And it was the first bar here And the Queens niggas would be on their side

The BK niggas would be on their side against the wall Then you walk further into the tunnel So they was there talking whatever they was talking about But the nigga Pac wanted to walk around. So me, my brother, and Red, we all broke off

and started walking. And you're not Mike Geronimo yet. Oh, you're Mike Geronimo. Is this shit real? Yeah. So, um... So it's 96, 95. Whenever the year the tunnel was like, like, all roads lead here. That's what that was. That was, like, 10 years, though, in that area.

So we start walking towards, like, that, where, you know, where you break off in the center and there's the dance floor. But on the right, there was, like, a hallway with, like, little mirrors. And you could, like, put your weed there your weed there roll it whatever and that led to the Backstage if you walk this whole way So first we start walking and he pulls the weed out and he's the point he's on point pop right? He's in front of everybody, but he's not with y'all. Yeah He was like y'all wanna walk around so I told BJ and um, I was like, yo, I want to walk around. So I told BJ and I was like, yo, we'll walk around. Because we wanted to smoke.

We used to be young niggas that smoked weed all day. So you're telling me BJ and Irv, guys, this is true, they actually met Pac. They knew Pac. Yeah, I knew Pac because of BJ. Okay, wow. And because of Irv. Wow. And Irv kind of, it's funny because Irv always would talk to me about pop.

Yeah, doing a record with him. And doing a record with him. And I was in heavy opposition to it because I was like, I'm not working with anyone I fucked with on Natural. That's not just for the sake of fucking with you to make a song. These are my friends. This is my family. It feels so good now, bro, to look back at that album and be like, yo, this is my family, bro. You feel me?

With the album, Natural? Yeah. Yeah, even Vendetta. You didn't even feature in the second one? Even Vendetta, the second one. Even working with Parf and Hitman and- We gon' get to that, we gon' get to that. Right, we'll get there, so-

We gon' take another Ciroc shot when we get to that. Right, we'll get there. We're gonna take another Siroc shot when we get to that. Oh, nigga. I'm behind you. I see your blankets. It's all good. So we walk in and a nigga bumped this nigga. The nigga had a yellow...

As he was rolling the weed. As he's rolling. Right. Now, at that point, I couldn't rightfully say it's malicious or it had an intent to it. All you could say was, somebody's walking forward,

you walk in this way, boom, you collide the weeds on the floor. So the nigga bumped him, but I didn't see the bump. I just seen his face. Right? So he does this shit, so I just like, on some quick shit, I was like,

yo, don't tread. We alright. Yo, just keep going. We alright. We wanna go this way, bro. Don't worry about't try it. We all right. Like, yo, just keep going. We all right. Like we want to go this way, bro. Don't worry about it. Whatever. So he takes a couple steps further and another nigga bumps him. But now we're on that hallway and I seen this one and I swear on God, bro, on my kids, I never forget the look on his face because it was the first time that I said to myself, it must be a nightmare

for somebody to have to consistently be persecuted. You talking about Tupac? About Pac, because he had this look on his face that was like, yo, I'm so tired of this shit. And it didn't look like

And Pac had no security Y'all was in security We was the security But when I seen I'm not gonna say But the OG's we was with Right The affiliation

You feel me Right They was security But you was holding it down I'm holding it down You my man's man I'm not gonna let Right

We all here We gonna walk around By default nigga Right You feel me So I saw this whole Interaction And I never forget his face And he just looked drained bro

He just looked Not like I can't do this And I won't win He just looked like Why do I have to keep Doing this And when I seen it

I was infuriated For him Like point for him and at that and it was so strange because anything that I may have felt prior to that evaporated and as soon as I saw it I immediately grabbed him by his shoulder I said yo give Bahamian and my brother shout out my brother Kev my brother was like, yo, we got, he's like, get between me and Mike. That's Pac telling us he with us right now. You heard that? So you want to say I love that, my. More now, more than ever, you don't understand. I'm going to get to another story. So I just tell him, I'm yo Get behind me Just get behind me

So now Right So now I'm here Pac's behind me My brother's behind him Oomph is behind my brother And we keep walking To where we gonna go

I see him They get fit And they come up again Are these related events Or just people The same night The same night The people that bump in them

Are they I didn't know whether they all knew each other or whether they were just taking advantage of a moment right right but when I saw

it's like some jail shit right when I saw the second bar I was like nigga all bets is off right so now there's a third nigga light skin nigga

never forget light skin nigga taller than me like curly ass here work walking towards me and I could just see the shit in his face I could smell it Nigga I had a pen in my pocket. I swear. That's where I'm at. I grabbed the pen in my pocket, and before the nigga gets to us, I stick my arm out.

I was like, I'm going to tell you right now, the next nigga that bumps this nigga, I'm fucking everyone up in this club. Period. And I know what you don't. I'll get out. You won't. I'm going to be okay.

In more ways than one. You're going to learn a valuable lesson. Period. The tunnel is serious. The tunnel is serious. And the nigga stopped and the nigga said the most ignorant shit I've heard. The nigga was like,

come on, Mike, them West Coast niggas. I said, what the fuck has this nigga ever done to you? You don't even know this nigga ever done to you? You don't even know this nigga. What has this man ever done to you? The next nigga that bumps this nigga, I will fuck this entire

club up now. And that was it. Fire. Fire. And I didn't see him. But here's the wild. And I didn't see him for a little while, shoot. I didn't see him for a minute after that. Right, it's not like, yo. And then they said that you was going to be the first East Coast Death Row East.

Yeah. You know I know my shit, Goddamn. Make some noise for me. Make some noise for me. You know my shit. You know it's going to be in sex. That had to fuck you up because that, now listen, so that means you made a relationship

with Pop, he was, wanted to come up, but he was still not, because when he went to death row. So that means he must have got a death row, and then he remembered that night. You know, fact, and I would always, but I think Tretch too had a little bit to do with it. Shout out to Tretch from Naughty by Nature. You got to drink that Ace, you know what I'm saying?

This is so great, man. I told you, I watched the Pitbull episode. Okay, no, no, no, that's Pitbull. He's the leader. I was like, whoa, wait, wait. Yeah, he's the leader. I said I got to go home in one piece. So, you, there's a tunnel incident. Right, and I don't hear from him.

You don't hear from him. Now, other niggas that, let's be real about it, bro. Some niggas know where they are at what space at what time. Right. You know where you are. You know what your opportunities are in front of you. Again, I'm going to reiterate. I wasn't looking for none of this shit, bro. So it's not like I seized the opportunity and said, yo, I'm plugged with this nigga.

Let me stay in contact. So down the road. Like you're networking and shit. I ain't do none of that. But Irv would always come back to me. And then Nichols comes into play too. Shout out to Nichols Irv would always come back to me

And be like yo The nigga Pac said tell you what's up He's like yo He's like yo He asked how you doing And I would be like wow really Yo that's my nigga tell him I'm okay man Tell him I'm cool

Still pre-deaf But he would always be like yo You gonna do a song with Pac nigga okay man tell him i'm cool this is still pre-deaf roll pocket still pre-deaf okay still pre-deaf rolls but he would always be like yo you're gonna do a song with pock nigga and i would always still be but at that after that experience i was like i would totally do it but it's still not nothing i'm pressing if he comes to me and he says this is what he feels and he wants to do it yeah because now this nigga to me i feel a bond because of that incident and i think the personal moment where i knew like i could say all right this is my friend there was a party at the palladium and it's not the one biggie was at

i think big was there okay but i can't rightfully... I know Jermaine Dupri was there. Okay, let me let you go. Right, shout out Jermaine Dupri, because Jermaine Dupri and the Brat pulled me on the stage. This story deserves another shot. It do. It do. That's just legendary already.

Continue, though. To all my niggas in here that's in the game, I know you know that. It was the first industry party I had ever, industry event rappers. Palladium? Mine was S.O.'s. Okay, boom. Yeah, yeah.

So I walk in, and again, the timid shit, the quiet mic shit. But the first nigga that greeted me was Method Man. And I'm not going to lie, I was enamored when I walked in because... That's a big word, Mike. We don't know what that means. I'm so sorry. He was taken back. Sorry, T.I.

What did you say? He got followed, man. I'm sorry, we got dumb followers. I'm sorry. No, we don't get dumb followers. I was just zoned out from being like, oh shit, that's the M-E-T-H-O-D man, dude. You a fan of the culture, man.

This is after shit. So this is when Irv is making me like, you know that part of this shit is being a politician. So you got to go shake hands and kiss babies and rescue people from fires. It's cute to a certain extent. Exactly. In a figurative manner. Right. So I'm just like

bugging out because these are all the people I watch on Video Music Box when I come home. Remember you're training to talk but let's finish this shot. No, no, that's the ace. That's not the shot.

All right, let's do that. Salud. Salud. All right. Another hungry. This is too much. You're running with me. Hey! So, look, ah. All right. Another. This is to my shaman, motherfucker.

So I walk in and then I see Guru. Guru. Right. But I knew Guru from large crib. Because a lot of people would come over to large crib. And I knew them from just being at his crib. And they would just walk right in So guru I knew rest in peace rest in peace

But you won't you ain't for parole or that like that. Hey, what we're in on parole or not like that, right? No, no, you can smoke you want to smoke? Yeah This is the moon rock we got moon rock in there this is motherfucking smoke champs We got Moon Rock in there. This is motherfucking Smoke Champ's Moon Rock. We got our own version of Moon Rock. Wait, hold up. And that's Blazy Suzy. That's Blazy Suzy. I'm assuming we're not bullshits. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a Blazy Suzy paperback. We got bull torches in there? Yeah, yeah. Because we're going to get to the one, man. Oh, you got a cigar? Yeah, a little bit. Let me see what kind of cigar you got. Is that a cigar?

It's just a grain. It's just a grain. Okay, that's a hard one. But that's my go-to. That's hard. I fuck with my Monty Crisco. That's my Monday through Thursday. Let's make some money. Let's make some money. I told you not to forget it. I'm not.

Okay, go on. So I see these people, and I'm like starstruck. Right? And then I kind of get like, well, what do I say? How do I act? And I guess like Guru must have saw that. And he was just like, what's up, Mike? Don't worry about nothing. Let's come on, let's drink.

Let's have a toast. He's a great dude, man. Great dude. I miss him so much. He's a drink champ, by the way. He used to be in Miami all the time. He used to be at the office back then. He's a drink champ.

Everything with Guru. See, I know you know. Because everything with Guru would be, let's have a toast. Right, right, right. Everything. Might be too much of a drink champ at some point. He's a drink champ. Yeah, yeah. So boom. So Me too much of a trip. It's crazy.

So boom. So Mef made me feel good. Like he gave me Dap and I'm like, oh wow. Like my head is spinning. You like Alice in Wonderland, bro. But I'm sure they're fanning you as well. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

It's like that scene in Goodfellas when they got married and this is Petey, this is Cousin Paulie. Everybody's giving you a package. and you you just spinning head spinning and um poc was there and the ill shit was the nigga came right up to me and he just grabbed me see but big homie was there too shout out preem i love you pop i love you pop That's another thing. Yeah, yeah. So Preem was there too. So we all came with Preem. Shout out Blackie. Blackie just rest in peace. Oh, just Black. Of course. Yeah. Blackie was just Black.

Shout out Preem too. Shout out Preem too. Shout out P too. But we gonna go there. So, you know, I'm with them. And you know, my personnel, like I said, I'm quiet. I'm just trying to figure out my direction, absorb it all. And the minute that I felt better was when Pac came up, and that nigga was just smiling, and the nigga just grabbed me, and he's like, yo, baby bro, why you look so nervous?

And I was like, I look nervous? He's like, yo, stop, man. He came home, and he on death row? Yeah, he was in there. I don't know if he signed a death row. I can't rightfully recall who he was with, but he grabbed me. He's like, yo, why you look so nervous? And I was just like, do I look nervous? And he's like, nigga, yeah, loosen up. You were? Yeah. And he was like, yo, loosen up, man. He's like, He's like yo we gonna have fun tonight Mikey

And he just grabbed me and he's like Come on he took me to Like there was some area where we was all sitting Like Pring was here and with Blackie And they was with other official niggas And you know we here And then at one point of the night I remember something happened on stage

And Jermaine Dupri Just told me yo Mike And he just told me, yo, Mike and he just grabbed me and pulled me on the stage and again, the Alice in Wonderland shit, this is all Jermaine Dupri What? Nigga, like I'm like, yo, I'm from Queens, bro

I'm just from and I remember at one point I met a girl You was knocking a lot of things down back in the day. Stop that. I remember that. Let's make a noise. Let's make a noise.

You're down there. You're down there. I'm sorry. You're too bad to say. You're down there. Don't talk to me like a nigga. Stop it. Wait a minute now.

Okay. All right. Wait, wait, wait. Make a noise. We in the fourth lane. Look, we in the fourth lane now, man. You niggas like. Keep up.

I'm not going to get sick of what you're saying. nigga's like, keep up. No, no, no. I got sick of what you're saying. So fucking boom. So I met a bad chick and I was like, like this was like my first, you know. Yeah. And then nigga. Needed a propone.

Fat. Okay. So I go to Pac and I'm like, yo, you got a pen, bro? Like I just met this crazy, you know, I need a pen real quick. And the nigga start laughing so hard at me, bro. He's like, the pen? For the young people that don't know, a pen back in the day. When you bagged the girl, you had to give her the number.

Right. But why'd you? I'm still with you. You can just say it like that. These young boys are going to be like, why do you want a pen? They want a standard. Right. They like a case

He was that too early of it. We had a bit earlier. So you just make sure that they don't difference So fucking home He just started laughing. He's like nigga. You don't need no no pen. Just do what I do. That's exactly what he said. He's like, nigga, just do what I do. He's like, you don't need no pen, Mikey. And that was the minute I sucked in myself. Let's be clear, Pop was knocking down a lot of things. He'd been a movie star from the beginning.

But you know what's crazy, bro? I didn't, that didn't come into play with me. Like, I will say, with me, it's funny. My wife's cousin says it best. He's like, yo, he starts slow, but once the motor gets gunning, he's 100. So none of these things am I saying or taking into my frame of thought. I just know that at that point in time, I was like, all right, this is my man. This is my friend. I don't care where This is my friend He's looking out for you

He's trying to tell me Yo Mike enjoy your life You don't understand where you landed I'm sorry to switch gears But then we come at you for Death Row East At this time this is your third album already right? This was I think I was just No I was actually beginning F-Roll East. At this time, this is your third album already, right? This was...

I think I was just... No. I was actually beginning to work on the second album. The second album? It just had to be weird then. It was very weird. It was very uncomfortable. Because the second album is like, bad boy. You could hear Puff on your ad-libs on it. Damn near almost every track. And it was

so broke. And you're telling me so he... So you think that he was giving you this old girl? I'm going to drop a story with you that I've never publicly told. Please. There was a club called Esso's, I think. Esso's, yeah. I just heard that earlier. Yeah.

And I remember it was me and Reb. I remember Clark Kent being in there. I remember all the junior mafia niggas was there. At some point, it got, you know how it go. It's too hot and too smoky in this venue. I need to walk outside for Earl right here. Right? So Reb is like, yo, can I smoke a cigarette in here, bro?

No cigarettes. Everything else. Cognac, my ass. Cigarettes, everything else. You can go with a cigar. No cigarettes. You know, I'm three years clean. I'm off the Mario, gone, bro. You can go with a cigar. No cigarettes. You know, I'm three years clean.

I'm off the wagon, yeah. How'd you do it? I started smoking CBD. Did you still, because here, it's a very serious- And we'll go right back to the web story. But listen. All right, let's go.

If you can give me advice with that. Oh, that's easy, it's very easy. What'd you do? No, it's very not easy. Let me just stop there. Hold on, hold on. The way I said that was just terrible. Right. No, no's easy, it's very easy. What'd you do? No, it's very not easy. Let me just stop that. Hold on, hold on. The way I just said that was just terrible. Right. No, no, no, no, no.

For a real smoker, I've been smoking since I was 11. 14. Okay, so this is how you do it. You smoke weed. Yeah, all day. I smoke weed all day, right? So at the time, the only time I smoke a bogey is to calm my high down almost.

It's the only time I smoke. I'm sorry. Wait, time out. You're the only time I feel like... I'm sorry. Wait, time out. Just the only person in the world who understands. Yes, just the only person in the world. Yes. Let me tell you... Too much high? Yeah, yeah. It's too much high.

So look, let me tell you here. Sit down. So, really when I was smoking a cigarette was just to pull my high down. It wasn't... It wasn't. So. I do not want to feel like I'm on Ritalin. You don't know. So what happened was one day I go to my people, big up to Eli in Laurel Farms.

Big up to my people in Laurel Farms. We're in L.A. And he says, look at this. He just gives me a pack of what looks like cigarettes. Right. But it's CBD. Okay. So the thing is, I failed because I kept trying

to smoke vapor. You know, vapor is never going to fulfill us as cigarette guys. It's not the same taste. Because this is what we're used to. Right. We're used to this. Oh my God.

So CBD, when I did the CBD, I would subconsciously look at it and say, this is a cigarette. And it would give me the same thing as a cigarette because a cigarette doesn't make me high. A cigarette calms me down. That's what CBD is. You know how many people don't get that? Oh, that's what I'm saying. That's why I got my CBD bogeys coming out.

You know what I'm saying? It's called a bogey. No, but I ain't going to lie. I'm not trying to make money off of this. This is a pure fact. No, this is a real talk. I really sat down with my friends the other day, and I thought about my flight schedule. I really couldn't even take an hour flight.

Excuse me, I couldn't take a five-hour flight. A five-hour flight, no. A five-hour flight, because I needed a bogey. So the most I could do was two and a half hours. I couldn't even fly to L.A. straight. Nigga, I flew to L.A. straight. That's why you always fly to fucking get there. No, no, he brings up some states.

I still do it to the state. Imagine flying to Israel. That's why you always wanted to fucking get... I still do it to this day. Imagine flying to Israel. Yeah. I had to take 15 planes. With no cigarettes. Oh, there's no cigarette when you land? I couldn't, no. I had to put the pressure on my body, chemically.

My body was like, yo, if we don't get a cigarette right now, we're going to punch a hole in this fucking cockpit. Wow. Like that, I'm not even going to lie. It's the worst thing I do as an individual that I want to get rid of. So for you to get. Yes, I got your back. We're going to get you on that Eli Lowell Farms CBD.

And Barz, Barz, Barz. Barz makes me do it. You going to finish that thing? Yeah. So I got one more question, and then we gonna bring in the honorable Royal Flush. Yes, sir. So you were Large's professor's neighbor?

Yeah. What the fu- How does this work? It's crazy, cause we all grew up in Carlisle. So Large was really, you know how you got that one person with, like your mama on some real shit from out wherever, your mama be like, who you outside with?

And you give her the roster. And Lodge is a good name. Right, Lodge. You call him Paul. Right. Okay, we don't call him Paul. We call him Lodge Professor. I hope you're not offended by that.

Yeah, nah, nah, nah. We call him extra P. So we would call, I would be like, Mom outside and J-Raf Lost Boys shout out Jay Raff JJ If I said to my mama I'm with JJ and Paulie My mama would be like, okay, you can stay in the park till seven eight o'clock Yeah to the sun go down right to the sun go down. So that was literally him and then

Savinda who's Nas on Carmen's brother. Oh, wow. So, Paulie, I mean, Large and Vin were the first people I literally knew. And J-Rap, that my moms would be like, okay, you can stay outside. I'm playing the folk. Like, literally. So, Large Professor, was he the one who put the hip-hop in your brain

i think but i don't think in an intent i don't think he intentionally did what i think large knew and what i think van definitely knew was this is for him but he doesn't know you, boy, I was kind of like a widow growing up. I could admit that because I was into so many things that the hood didn't fuck with. Like, I freestyled and rode vert on harrow bikes. I wore, like, Vision streetwear and Vans. I had a... Did you see what the Vans was on? Right. Street wearing I had a see you with the bands on right I had a I had a Santa

Cruz slashes skateboard right would tease me I was just And then it became cool in hip-hop later on. Yo, you know how much I laugh now? I had to introduce y'all to Pharrell. Odd Future really is the ones that really brought it in. Nah, Pharrell started skateboarding and being cool in hip-hop. To an extent. And Wayne. And Wayne.

No, listen, Pharrell started it. But I think Odd Future solidified it. He kind of did though. No, wait, wait, wait. That's not how Olupe did it. He's Skateboard P? He's Skateboard P? Kick and Push. His whole single is kick and push.

But yeah, but I don't know. Look at the whole Odd Future crew. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying this. Pharrell did kick and push? No, I'm saying Pharrell. No, Lupe fiascoed that. It started from Pharrell riding a skateboard.

Then Lupe was accepted riding a skateboard. Then Odd Future officially stamped it. But Pharrell wasn't like a legit skater skating Future those guys skate skate Like they legit a man Let's stay I just told you right now, Mark Gonzalez is my favorite skater of all time. Stay on top. Stay on top. Let's stay where we at.

We ain't never talking about you being a skater. Get the fuck out of here. This is like the presidential debate. Thresher Magazine and Transworld Magazine. I'm going to look this shit up. Help Peralta. He's never been no skater. Let's take a vote right now. How many people do you think he ever used to skate?

Raise your hands. I know he did. He said Peralta. How many people think Norma used to skate? Raise your hands. No, fuck yeah. What are you doing? How many people think Mike Girano used to skate? I believe him because he said it.

He said there's a street wear. Bro, I used to ride Virk all, every day. Ron Wilkerson was the first person that inspired me. Go look up Ron Wilkerson. I got names and shit. Anyway, I was a weirdo. I was a weirdo by hood standards.

I'm a mother of a coastline. Nigga, I lived in Corona in the hearse. And niggas was like, yo, you a fucking weirdo. Why you coming out here with a skateboard and fucking a harrow bike and Vision Street? I got teased, bro. So then when I grew up and I got into this shit, it was more unorthodox to me. Because I was like, you the same niggas that was fucking persecuting me.

Now all of a sudden I'm cool. Because it's shit real, man. It's shit real, man. That's shit real. And I'm going to be honest about it. It's funny how life works because it's funny how that became my staple. My staple somehow, someway, inadvertently became just be you because everybody else is taken. Mm.

Fire. Make noise for that. Come on, get flush in here. Come on, come on. Let's go. Fire make noise of that Let's go But you skipped over a whole thing to talk about before the cigarette joint, okay? Yeah, all right Let's bring it back to them. Well, she's definitely Let's bring it back to that That's crazy Fucking flushing the building, baby.

Yes. What's up there, brother? Oh, Speed. How you been? I'm having a good time. All right, all right. I like that. That's what I like, too. Yeah, we all right.

Yo. Yo, yo, yo. I don't want to take the last one. I don't want to take it. Oh. Yo, yo, yo. I don't want to take the last one. Take it. You got to sign your whole life away with us. Yeah. We still filming?

Or we took a break? No, we took a break, yeah, but we filming. Yeah, but we still filming. Tiff said to tell you what up. We got to call Tiff, too. Oh, Silas? Yeah, he's my family. Love him. Yo, but that's crazy, bro.

Just... Wow. Give it for us a shot. Yes, sir. Damn, give me that. What you want? You want Duse? Nah, nah, nah, nah.

This was the Ace of Spades show, right? Yeah, that's the Ace of Spades. I want to try some of that. You know, people are certain. People are watching. If you take a Duse shot, it's no. This was the Asia's Fade show, right? Yeah, that's the Asia's Fade. Yeah, this is the Asia's Fade. I want to try some of that. You know, people are certain. People are watching. If you take a Duse shot, it's okay. All right?

If you want to be different, it's all right. That's all right. But if you want to think you survived, you want to think you survived, other homies watching too, so that's okay too. No, no, no. That's okay too. Duse, Duse. Duse shot?

Duse shot? Duse shot? I just started fucking with Duse this year, but I'm not a man. You don't know Mr. Hennessy. You know him, Mr. Duse. Oh, for sure. Trust me. I know him, sir. No, I'm saying you don't know'm not a man. You don't know Mr. Hennessy. You know Mr. Duse.

Oh, for sure. Trust me. I know him, sir. No, I'm saying you don't know him personally. Nah. We know Mr. Duse. We know Mr. Duse. And he's watching us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is he listening? And listening. Who? MB? No, I'm talking about Jay-Z. Oh, yeah, yeah. That nigga's tuned in. Shout out to my shit ain't on there.

No, it's here. It's here, big bro. It's here, big bro. It's here, big bro. Gotcha. Yeah. Where we at? We back eat? There's no intro or whatever.

What? United Postal Service? Yeah. Bro, you gotta get paper, man. Yo, this guy gets his leg statement. He gets voting rights. I need that., voting rights. I need that.

K4, right? Yeah, all right. All right, so we're going to give him a shot. Let's do it. I'm going to finish the whole thing. Hey, what are you doing, bro? Good loss. Oh, you're going to do the Duce?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, you doing the Duce? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. You know he a half-Queens. I need some brown. The Queens-Bridge niggas love brown.

Y'all be falling. What's up, baby? Go away. We got a legend from Queens-Bridge coming up soon, too. Man. I need some brown. Queensbridge niggas love brown. Flush! What's up, baby? We got a legend from Queensbridge coming up soon, too. All right, we ready? Yeah. One minute, Diallo B.

Whew. This is how you hold your shot. Like, move, see? All right, look, we're doing shots, too. Nah, but I'm doing shots. Keep me on. Nobody wants my La Juana, boy. I hate, look at this. We're doing shots, too. Nah, but I'm doing shots. Keep me on. Nobody wants my LaJuana, boy. I hate all of y'all.

I hate all of y'all. I hate all of y'all. You don't want a shot of my LaJuana. That's Pitbull shit. Nah, that's too far. We'll be talking about Pitbull. I actually didn't want to try that shit because I saw that episode where you were shooting. Yeah, that's the Ma LaJuana.

You want to try it? It's good. It's good. Shout out to Kinkai. I want them both, you know what? Because I don't want to feel like... It's not strong at all. All right, hold on.

Great boss. Let me take shots together. It'll hit you, but it's not strong. It's not strong. It's not strong. It's good. It's good. Shout out to TK. I want them both. You know what? Because I don't want to feel like. It's not strong at all. All right, hold on. Great boss. Let me take a shot together. Absolutely. It'll hit you, but it's an easy drink.

You going to take my mama on a shot? I don't want any. I want a white grape. Facts, man. Penn's the realest, man. No, I want a white grape. I don't want my Moana. What are you doing?

Penn is like the only brother that escaped the madness from TVT and like. And he helped me not get in the madness. All right, you ready? God bless. God bless, bro. What are we toasting to? We're toasting to fucking flushing right now.

There we go. God damn it. Yes. God damn it. What's that shit you got with that? That's all the bland. It's my hood. It's my hood.

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What's going on? I thought you were here. So yeah, so Flush. You're going to shop for food, too? I'm here. After Law Professor, Mike Geronimo, after Law Professor, Mike Geronimo had Flush in. And I want to ask you the same question

I asked him earlier. His first video was, like, the breakout artist from Flushing, right? But a lot of people thought he was from Jamaica because of that. Did you receive that same type of slack, or no? I knew him from the neighborhood. I knew him from Carlisle.

You know, rest in peace to my man Jamal and my cousin Jamal. My cousin Rashad. Monkey 50. They used to do the softball thing and shit. Baseball. Baseball, baseball. Little league, little league.

Okay, little league, okay. I was in the little league. We on his India. So, I knew of him from being in the neighborhood or whatever, but when I seen the video, I definitely seen Irv, I know he from Jamaica. But then he came around the way, and he was shooting a video by Mars,

and it was my neighborhood. So I was like, I got to get in it. So I'm a kid rolling the dice. So I got in it. That's the B-side? No, that was the shit real video. When you did see Casino? Oh, yeah.

That was me out through the dice. You know what I'm saying? Oh, okay. So that's how me and him linked up, like that real tight. And then one time I went to go do a show where he did a show and Irv and I'm... What club was that? Melton Pot, I think?

Melton Pot. And Irv didn't come. Nobody that he messed with came, but the label came, like Vara. Vara. Vero. Yeah, they all came. That's a lot of TVT. Yeah, yeah.

But I was just from Colden. I'm just a straight nigga from Colden. So I went to the show, and he was on stage by us. He called me and said, oh, you came out. He called me on stage. No, you skipped a part. What's that? When we was on the step outside.

Well, we smoking, fam. Just kidding. Because you asked me, he was like, so who rocking with you? And I was like, no one. And I was like, come on stage with me and fuck around. Because you was rhyming at Large Crib, too. Yeah, yeah, I was there with everybody.

It was just me, Nas, everybody. Wait a minute, wait a. Yeah, yeah, I was there with everybody. Mean Nose, everybody. Wait a minute, wait a minute. All right, come on. All right. It's an all-star event. Niggas like, you know everybody's there. What's going on at Large Crib, by the way? Large Crib, you don't understand, bro.

I'm still getting advice. What? He was like, shit, I should have been there. Shut up, you fluffy motherfucker. Get out of here. So what the fuck is going on at Large Crib? In that crib, man, I met everybody. Like, I met Bismarck. I met Big Daddy Kane, I met G-Wrap.

And they all just came to this little part of Flushing, my nigga, and they was all these guys. So you're saying Lars Professor had his own Marley Mar crib? Like how Marley Mar had, you know, Rob Kim and Lars had that in Flushing? Yeah, yeah. And I didn't know about this. Q-Tip would just walk through, everybody just came up there. Queens Lounge. Queens Lounge.

That's what his name for it. Holy shit, they said Atlanta. I was like, what does Atlanta got to do with this? All right, we're going to have to... Step on scene, Queens Lounge. Queens Lounge, okay. So me and Mike, you know what I mean, we chopped it up. So he got on stage, I got on stage, gave me a mic.

And we didn't have no practice, no nothing, but we just looked at each other and we just took over, my nigga. World, like, the label looked at us, it was like crazy. You know, sometimes Mike could be kinda calm, he ain't as hype as me or whatever. But I got on stage and they see the chemistry so I'm sticking with that. Okay, all right. Hey, you see, I put my shots to my sides. That little shit, I need something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, give me right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Give me right, too. Yeah, cool it. Fuck it. You don't know why I'm doing this. I'll take a poquito more. More, okay.

On the real life. I don't know. I don't know. Okay, I got shots. I got shots. I got shots. Way too much. All right, let me hear it.

Mr. Lee, you got a shot? I got a shot. Way too much. Let me hear it. You got a shot? I got a shot, baby. Oh, you going to go to Ducey? He's going to Ducey. That's right. Come on. We filming that. Pouring that Ducey, baby.

You know what I'm saying? He doing survival or you mumbling, whatever you want. You want survival? That was smooth, though. This shit? Yeah, that was a little more. That's a voodoo priest in there. Yeah, that's a voodoo priest.

That's not your shot, is it? That's a voodoo priest. That's a voodoo priest. That's a voodoo priest. That's a voodoo priest. That's a voodoo priest. That's a voodoo priest. A little more, a little more. That's a Voodoo Priest in there. Yeah, that's a Voodoo Voodoo. That's a Voodoo Vanshawmi in there. That's not your shot, is it?

That's not your shot. It's a two in one. So where's that at? That's a Voodoo Priest. Yeah, that's alright. That's alright, Bob. That's a rock. That's a rock.

Right race, right? That's a rock. That's a rock. That's a rock. That's a rock. That's a rock. That's a rock. That's a rock.

That's a rock. That's a rock. That's of you know I'm a baby. That's Nick Fuster. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby.

You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby.

You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby.

You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You know I'm a baby. You right, we gotta connect. All right, let's go. All right. That's good. Twin. Woo! Mama, why not? That shit was a double. This is amazing. Yeah.

This is amazing. This is amazing. I'm gonna call out the big names. I'm gonna call out. They good. Nor are you for president after that, man. So, so, Flush, this is one thing. I'm gonna switch it to you for a second. Wait, second before you guys keep going so you're not Cuban, right?

Why not? No Came out with the record Cuban connection with my homie, right? Acute that's all Cuban needs to hear Cuban connection like he's Cuban That's nobody and he told me at some point and I totally disregarded whatever he said I mean this is my last name being Brown Tyrone with my shit's Gavante I mean yes yes my grandmother my father my mother they all Cuban so we have you recognize I think we've had many drunk times yes yes I'm not saying you're mean. You're a human being. When you did it, he did it for me like that. That's crazy.

So, you know, a lot of people don't know. We just had Nature on. Also big up to Adelar and Adolf. We had them on together. Yeah, Adolf the assassin. Yeah, man. Both of them. We had a lot of people on.

We had a lot of people on. to add a lot. You know if we had them on As his voice get louder, that's a drunken he get Don't act like I wasn't like, all right, Flesh, that's enough. All right, we good. We out of here. Big up to Nate. So one of the things I credit with Nate is after Capone got locked up and after the war report actually dropped, I didn't know what to do.

I really didn't. Yeah, I really did. Yo, wait, time out. I don't know. to do. I really didn't. And, yeah, I really did. Yo, wait, time out. I don't know, I'm done. I'm done, I'm done. I'm so sorry. Pass me right back around. Pass me right back around.

I'm so sorry about that. So I really didn't know what to do. You know, Pone locked up. A lot of the connections was through Pone, so when Pone went to jail, I wasn't, you know, yo, give me this, or tell me this, so I could do this, I could handle that. I wasn't thinking about yo give me this or tell me this so i could do this i could handle that i wasn't thinking about that i was thinking about what but one of the records i always say

um it was i'm leaving and it truly was it was i'm leaving wow a lot of people don't know that it was cuba connection you know around that you know uh, and I forget what the other record, but you know, so I wanna big you up in your face, you know what I'm saying? I know, I know, I know, I know, I know Bone is your cousin, but you know, it was like at the time, like you had a budget, and you was like,

yo, Sly, you know, I got a record for you, and then not only that, I think you actually hooked me up with Bounty Killer, too. Yeah, because he was on our label. Yeah. He was on our label. So he was helping me get checks. And those three features, along with I'm leaving

and I believe you came up, punch it. Those three, it was first I'm leaving, then it was you, and then you came up. And then after that, I became a certified yande. You know what i'm saying what is it can you explain that to me i know i said when you move back You can read out loud him? Smiley! Smiley!

Can you read the definition of the yande out loud on camera? Can you read the definition of the yande out loud on camera? Hey, you come over here, bro. If you can read it out loud on camera. I mean, I know some reason like that. I know some reason like that. I know you ask that question for a reason. You want to know what the fuck I mean. I do too. Alright. This is some real shit. I made it up, but I didn't know what I made up was already an African word. I didn't realize that. That's crazy.

I didn't realize that. That's comfortable. Cameras focus there. If you look at us, they'll catch you. Come on, look at us. Look at us. Look at us. We see you.

We see you. We see you. We see you. We see you. We see you. We see you. We see you. We see you.

We see you. We see you. We see you. We see you. We see you. We Zed. That's comfortable. Yeah. Camera's focused there, go ahead. If you look at us, they'll catch you. Come on, look at us. Look at us, look at us. All right. Just read it, bro.

Just read it. Who are you to be a beast? That's him. His name is Him. His name is Him. His name is Him. His name is Him. Your own.

Your own. Your own name, Yande, is a Nigerian short for Osayande, which means God owns the day. An intelligent, sexy, well-rounded guy. Stop, stop. No, no, no. Let him go. Stay right here.

I'm learning something. Go ahead. Can be shy at times, but is liked to be by mostly everyone he is laid back, but is natural born, determined leader of the masses. If only he can get over his fears of success. He is ambitious, but is also very prone to laziness. A yande is often labeled as arrogant, but when you really get to know him, you'll find out he's just timid.

Yandes are nurturers, protectors, appreciators of humanity. He's just timid. Yandex are nurturers, protectors, appreciators of humanity. I think I can paint. I think I can paint. I think I can paint. I think I can paint. That's enough for me.

That's enough for me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. What's up, Yandex? We good. We good, we good. The young thing. Come on, see. That broke me out. I thought I heard a hundred real quick, real quick.

We did the episode. Stop, stop, wait, wait. Do you know how good it feels to walk a thousand miles in sand? A thousand miles and sing and you don't see, you don't see no footprint. That's deep.

You don't see no footprint. My nigga just showed me a footprint. I am not alone. That definition was real. That definition was real. That definition was us. That definition was us.

Fuck saying nigga. We say yonder. We say yonder. Stop saying nigga. We say yo, my yonder. My yonder. My question to you is when we did the episode

with Rick Ross, remember? Yes. We was in All Star. Yes. And you said, this is when you kind of started saying yonder. Okay. Kind of. You've been Rick Ross, remember? Yes. We was an all-star. Yes. And this is what you kind of started saying, Yande. Okay. Kind of. You've been saying it, but.

Okay. And then you said it, and then he looked at you. He was saying it or something. Okay. Did y'all. No, what? Did we rehearse that? No, no.

Not rehearse that, bro. But were y'all on the same page on that? Was he using it before? Because you said you made it up, and you didn't know it was a real word. Nah, bro. Nah, bro. I made Because you said you made it up and you didn't know it was a real world. Nah, bro. Nah, bro. I made it up. I didn't know it was a real world.

But to find out what the meaning of that, that was spectacular. And it's from Africa, too. It's like, it's people. Well, you posted some shit the other day. I was reading it and I was like... That might have been it. No, you expanded.

Okay. No, there was a lot more to that. There was a lot more. You ain't got to eat it. No you expanded. Okay But you know son nigga so now I gotta actually uh-huh First of me actually this time to build. Hmm. That was the record you wrote me rule a me rule action Jays that was the shit I'm Smoking right now Ami, Rule, X, and J. That was the shit I'm about to talk about. My little sister's smoking crack now. Yeah, I feel guilty.

I went to the studio. Let me just ask you, man. Because when I was Googling it, I just seen Rule and J. You're saying you have a record with you, Rule, X, and J? Yeah, fact. That's just on vinyl, too. Shout out, Rule. I love you, bro

Hollow thicker thin left right? I don't give a fuck what niggas is talking about whatever you doing right now Keep doing it fuck these niggas keep doing what you doing icon do what you do, nigga. Let's make some noise for Ja Rule. Hold on. So, when I looked at the versions, the versions I only seen had only Ja Rule and Jay. There is a version. That's why I said vinyl. I said on the vinyl, there's versions. That's kind of weird because it shouldn't be that way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It shouldn't be that way. Because D went kind of first to second. He went first to second. Oh, that's It shouldn't be that way. Oh. Because D went kind of first or second. He went first or second. Yeah. Oh, that's not Usual Suspects. That's what-

Time to Build. Oh, that's- Time to Build is- Oh, Usual Suspects. That's when you got- I hit you with a two by four. Oh, so Usual Suspects is a different record. Yeah, that might be Usual Suspects.

You got Jay-Z and DMX2. That's the locks on it, right? That's the locks on it. And who's the other kid that messed with Tupac's on that? Fatal. Fatal. Fatal. Shout out to Fatal's brother, too. But let me say this while we're on the topic.

Yes. I've never gotten a chance to thank Cole, and I've never gotten a chance to thank X, and I want them to know, first and foremost, I am okay. I'm all right. I'm as happy as I've ever been in my life, I am okay. I'm all right. I'm as happy as I've ever been in my life. But I think, but Rule is different because Rule is like, he's just like a speed dial away. You feel me?

Even though I don't take advantage of it. That's still my brother no matter what. Them niggas is my brothers for life. I don't care what happens in this world. I don't care what happens in this world. I don't care what happens in this universe. I don't care what happens in this time or place. All of them niggas is my brothers for life. Just like this one here.

Plus, you ain't gonna smoke that moon ride. I'm trying to drink, man. I'm trying to drink. Stop. He's taking full on drinks and shots. You gotta be around me for a second. I got you. I got you. It looks like I smoke all day, but I pace myself. You pace yourself, brother. I pace myself. Don't worry about it. I don't want to be mad. I pace myself.

Don't be mad. Pace yourself. Pace yourself. I'm glad you're with me, brother. Take it in your own. They should be in their own car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But don't worry.

We watched him. We watched him. We watched him. We watched him. We watched him. We watched him. We watched him. We watched him.

We watched him. We watched him. We watched him. We watched him. We watched him. I mean, they should be in their own car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but, but, but... We'll go to the skate park. Don't worry. We watched him. But at the end of the day, this is my man, and you know what I mean? I'm your pinky head brother. And it's like pinky in the brain, you know what I'm saying? So sometimes Mike do him and do him.

But this is definitely a platform for him to finally show the people that was on, that he put on, you know what I'm saying? That passed us. I want to be clear. you know what I'm saying? That passed us. You know what I'm saying? Just to let them know we never jealous. We appreciate what you did. Who exists with Jay-Z on your shit? No, three.

No, four. Single Life. What the fuck is going on? We did Usual Suspects. Uh-huh. Time to Build. We did Time to Build. And the only record I did just me and him was Single Life. Single Life.

Oh, dope. The Rick James shit. They bodied that. Cameo. Cameo. I'm a little man up. They bodied that. Him and Jay bodied that.

And that came out officially? Mm-hmm. Holy moly guacamole. And wild. You got four records with Jay-Z. Yeah, wild. You deserve more Ace, nigga. Where your cup is at?

Jesus, man. You better drink this thing. No, but this is better drink this thing. No, but this is why I'm saying that. You know what's crazy? I'm going to tell you some wild shit. I won't break it, whatever it is, but I'll tell you what's black and green.

Maybe now, black and green. Black and green. What's more important is why. Why? What's more important is why. Now that I'm older, like I said, when you get older, you digest shit a lot. And Jay-Z is one of the people in my life that now that I'm older, and I thank you for this format because I know it will get to him. Mm-hmm.

Damn sure better. Yeah. There's so many things that he did not Have to tell me What's the name of this? You feel me? Like when a nigga When a nigga cares about you They're gonna tell you shit that you wanna hear

Even when you don't So I would like to elaborate on that Go ahead expand So you're saying that Jay was putting you on the game Like as far as... No, he was concerned about me as a person. In recent times? Not so much in recent, but...

Was this after you and the Gotti breakup, or this was in between you and the Gotti's misunderstanding? It was after, and it was during. And I don't know if Irv had to talk with him to tell him to talk. Like, I remember I did Nothing Move But The Money, right? I did the song. It's in my notes. Right. I did the song with Puff, and I remember Hov came to Bad Boy that day.

And we played it back, and he was like, he said, you know you got something, right? And I was just like, I don't know, I just know I feel good about the song. He's like, no, you know you have something. Is that still your biggest record to this day? In terms of airplay, in terms of spins, BDS. spins being so how you so hot and I just hope that's your way to come out that's the biggest I'm right here I'm sitting

next to you right we need to get to that for. Nigga, this is before the mic. But check, check. What I'm going to say is this. When it came to that, when it came to, um, he was, like, Hove really was trying to get me to see beyond where I was. Like, here's a real story. I remember when All-Star Weekend was in New York. The first All-Star Weekend. Everybody New York. The first All Star Weekend.

Everybody got robbed. Everybody got robbed. Yeah, it's very true. Except us. No New York niggas, but everybody has. Certain umbrella. If you was under a certain umbrella, you didn't have to worry about it. Yes, sir. So fucking, I remember it was me, Dane, Latifah.

Shout out Queen Latifah. Pleasure. It was all of us. Tata. Shout out my nigga Tata. I love you, Tata. And Latifah had us playing this drinking game at the bar. Come on, Queen Latifah, join us at Drink Challenge.

What are you talking about? I'm going to get into some real, real, real shit. It's your time to get real, real, real. Yeah, I was waiting for this one. So I Got loaded bro Like loaded as to where the whole room was spinning. I couldn't see. I was like, what the hell? It was a matter of facts. Why was I going in? Nah, I wasn't into that shit. I'm throwing out there. I didn't know. We like cocaine stories.

We like cocaine stories. I didn't take that ride. I'm going to be real about it. I'm going to take that ride. I'm throwing out there. We're like, we can fest any day. But it wasn't that kind of party. Time out.

Time out. No, it wasn't even that. When I took that ride, I didn't like it. And you saw hats. And you saw hats. Sorry. You saw hats. You saw hats.

You saw hats. You saw hats. You saw, time out. It wasn't even that. When I took that ride, I didn't like it. And you saw hats. And you saw hats. Sorry. I've done coke in my life. Where was this at, Mike Gervais? No, no, no, don't change that story. What's the story?

And then we're going to go back to the coke story. What's the story? The Queen of the Tifa? The Queen of the Tifa. I tried coke once in my lifetime. You wanna go into cocaine? Look. You wanna put it down?

No, I couldn't fucking finish it. So I tried it once and I was like, yo, this shit is not for me. I'm paranoid. I'm worried about everything. Were you finger popping? No. Wait, wait, wait. I heard you got a finger pop. Cocaine and finger popping go together?

Cocaine and finger popping go together. Holy shit. Anyway. I don't know. Cocaine and finger popping go together. Oh, damn. Anyway. I don't know. I don't know. Let's freestyle. We're going in the wrong direction from a Queen Latifah drinking story, guys.

I said we're. But you don't know anything about that. I'm back there, man. I'm back there. Getting back to the main topic. So, I'm lowly. Can't see a thing. And I'm scared to death to walk out The All Star Cafe Because there's

A lot of police And there's barricades And there's people You're by yourself? No I'm with like Irv And you gotta understand That that

Everybody rolled With everybody And Irv was the main hub So if Rockefeller came out Murder came out If murder came out Rough Riders came out. So all three of those camps, we all rolled as one.

It wasn't no point in time where we wasn't not mixed up together. And again, this is going back to why I love Hov so much. I'm not just saying this shit because of where he is now. No, no, no, I said that. I cleared that up. I cleared that up. This is why. I cleared that up.

And when I got older, it dawned on me. Right? Cleared that up. So I get really drunk and really high, and I remember being at the entrance of the All Star Cafe.

This is like when Sylvester Stallone and I think Arnold Schwarzenegger. The All Star Cafe was a cross street from MTV, correct? Facts. Okay, I'm in. And they owned it. And I had to walk. You just dropped my note. You want me to make a name?

No, you said they owned it. Oh, I... They owned it. All Star Cafe? So I had to walk outside. That was the spot where Russell Simmons used to eat all day. Facts. Yeah, yeah.

So I had to walk outside and I was like pet. I was like, damn, I don't want to go out there because there's all these people. But there's something in my mind, which is, again, back to the not believing in yourself aspect. I was like, ain't nobody going to know who I am once I walk out this door. I could walk out. I'm not going to get. I remember I walked out and I'm stumbling, bro. I can't see left from right.

I'm falling all over the place. And some white dude was just like, holy shit, it's Mike Geronimo. And the whole block just cheered and it scared the shit out of me. Well, you had to call it fan love shit. Facts. But it scared me.

And flashes started going off and I got all confused. And I drank so much from the drinking game with Latifah and them that I was about to, like, just drop. And I, like, dropped. I just started cascading this way, and I felt somebody grab me. And they picked me up, and they threw me on their shoulder. And I heard them tell Irv. He was like, don't worry, I got him. It was Jay.

Wow. That was Jay. Wow. That's dope. And Jay carried me all the way back to a Range Rover, and here's where I'm going to get highly personal. And before I say it, if you ever need help, talk to someone. I remember Jay putting me in a Range Rover, and I remember him saying, you can't do this to yourself.

And I remember me saying, why don't you just let me die? Wow. So to skip to that. Wait, Tyler. No, listen, listen, listen, listen. No. I'm going to finish this. Hold on. Oh, my God.

Because it's a good ending. It's a good ending. But he's taking too long to. Go ahead, baby. Go ahead. I'm sorry I'm long-winded. I got to fuck with you. I'm older now, and I realize that being 47 years old, thank God to bless me to get here. 73, right?

Facts. He didn't have to grab me. He didn't have to carry me to that Range Rover. And he damn sure didn't have to ask me is this what you want why would you say that he was genuinely concerned but again the Alice in Wonderland scenario

people don't understand when you're in this shit there's so many people pulling you left right up down vertically diagonally you don't know who to believe in. Right. And now that I'm older, I realize that when he said that, he didn't give a fuck about Mike Geronimo.

He cared about Michael McDermott. And he didn't have to care about Michael McDermott. Especially not a man in his position. And that's why I say I don't give a fuck what happens with these niggas. X, Ja, J, this is my family and my squad,

Flush included, for life. These people did not have to give a fuck. So where I was going, so like three months after that, we did a show, I did not have to give you anything. So where I was going, so like three months after that, we did a show, it was in North Carolina at the college. Wait, this is the dice game? No, I told them about the dice game my first show.

I won about 100,000. Let's talk about it again. Nah, I don't want to hear it. We got a bigger audience, man, bigger scene. Let's go, go ahead. I'm with you. So go ahead, back to that three months later. So three months later, man. Bigger scene. Let's go. I'm with you. So, good. So, three months later, we're in North Carolina.

We got the song, I'm so high, so we're kicking it. So now I'm out there, it's like AZ, couple niggas, they back there, they playing dice with a bunch of niggas from South Carolina. Was it South Carolina or North Carolina? One of them. I think it was North Carolina. North Carolina. It was North Carolina. So, they all losing. Everybody losing. So I come. So before we do the show, I gamble, boom. So I'm gambling. AZ was North Carolina. So they all losing. Everybody losing. So I come.

So before we do the show, I gamble. Boom. So I'm gambling. AZ lost his money. So now I'm up maybe like 5,000, but I got to perform. No, you line, you was up a lot. No, no, no. This is Earth, so I got to perform.

So, you know, never to take nothing from credit, but Mike Geronimo was kind, you know, a little high at the time. So actually, Jay-Z opened up for Mike Geronimo at the time. If y'all see the picture with me and Mike on stage, I'm giving Jay a pound as he's walking out to perform so Jay-Z performed he did you know he did his joints and while he's doing his joints I'm gambling gambling I'm winning I'm up so now I'm at maybe like almost 10,000 but I gotta go out and perform so I go out and perform so boom so I perform we knock it out we come back out so the kids still there so I said fuck me. I gotta go. I gotta go somewhere I say go 10,000 he said bet 10, so I won boom so man so now I'm like 10 row 10 row

So I'm maybe up a hundred thousand at this point. So now I'm at a hundred thousand boom So I'm going going so maybe I'm at like 180 now got him got him up So now I go cool this one. I'm at the, uh-huh? No, you ain't even leave yet. You sitting there with me. So now, I go, cool. So now, I go, you know what? I got to go upstairs and use the bathroom. I said, Mike, call the airport.

We the fuck out of here. I'm going. I'm leaving. I'm leaving. I'm leaving. Mike said, cool. I'm going to go with Shorty real quick. Drum.

So now. You had two Shortys? No. It wasn't like that. They knew my girl. They was from BK. You were still going to take them down? No. It wasn't like that. They knew my girl. They was from BK. You're still gonna take them down? No, no, no.

Yo, yo, my man right there, I don't know if you're filming, because it definitely looks like you're filming. Please, please don't. We can't use it on television if you're in this shit. They knew my lady. So I met them through my lady. So they was just on some GP shit like, yo, you milks. You family.

We down here. Shout out Trini. OK. Sounds a little creepy. No, it wasn't that. It wasn't that. If it was that, nigga, I would. Nigga, don't.

They was just people's people. They was family family. So they had to be family so he was with me so now boom now the kid runs out of money so now

I go up say short nigga he done borrowed 10 10 10 so now he runs out of money I'm like 200,000 up so now

his room and my room I swear to god I don't give a fuck not to intervene it is the most amazing like this

ever at 47 I think about it I intervene, it is the most amazing thing. Ever. At 47, I think about it. I'm like, that is the most amazing, just pure luck shit I've ever seen. So as much as I love him. His name is great, bro. As much as I love him, the kids. Was your name Roy Flush before that? No, I'm a psych man.

I'm just a psych man. I'm just a nigga traveling. You kind of was. Oh, you wasn't Roy Flush? No, I'm so hot. I mean, you know what I mean? I'm just a psych man. I'm just a nigga traveler. You kind of was. Oh, you wasn't royal flushed yet? No, I was on, I'm so high. I mean, you know what I mean? I didn't master,

I see, I'm so high. He was royal, but then it solidified after that. After that. Okay, good. Good to hear. Good to hear. So now we get to the room.

We got to connect the room. So I put $100,000 in the tub in that room. Oh my God. And I go to the other room. I said, Mike, we're about to pack. He go, I'm going downstairs.

So now Mike leaves. Mm-hmm. Now the kids come back. But I still got a hundred back. This thing come back with half a million dollars. So he wasn't, nigga, nigga,

he wasn't letting me leave. Period. You're already up. You put that to the side. He wasn't letting me, I don't give a fuck how he's going home that night. I was going to give him

some of his money back. The crazy thing is when I came in the room. He went to IHOP, so I couldn't get away and get on a plane. So I couldn't leave. No, no, no, no, no. You're skipping the part. Because I came in the room.

Oh, I get it. And I pissed you off heavy. Right. Pissed you off heavy. We just performed. And we got the show money. And the show money at that time, the most we was getting to keep it a buck, we was getting like, if we was he's getting like if we was lucky four grand five

grand when i came in a hotel room this nigga had hundreds all over the fucking bed killing these niggas but they was like situated that's how he was giving me the money so all his money was not to jump all the way in but when i came came in the room, I was like, yo, what the fuck happened? Because when I came in the room and seen all the clumps of honey, so I was like, yo, what the fuck did you niggas do? But this nigga's like, yo, you know how Flesh get when he on the road. I know you know. He's like, with the fast talk, like, yo, blah, blah, blah.

And I did this and blotted it. I'm the timid nigga, so I'm like, I ain't nigga. I'm going back to my room to go to bed after I eat and I'm going to sleep peaceful knowing you get ready to give me some of that in the morning. Good night. That was it. Go ahead. Then he went to AHA.

And I know the nigga's beating me for the honey, but I know I got another honey. I went in my pocket in my jeans Yeah, I did and he put money in my jeans. I put I put 30 Jeans I mean I do these things was gonna let me leave I don't give a fuck my niggas Oh, I was hiding shit everywhere I put in my drawers and socks nigga Fuck, my nigga. So I was hiding shit everywhere. I was wherever, my nigga.

I put it in my drawers and socks, nigga. I didn't give a fuck. So I took about maybe, it could have been like $74,000. I knew. And I had to over there. So now I know I got like at least $120,000. So I bring the $74,000. He bet $10,000.

Ten, go ahead, bet it. $20,000. I'm winning, something, lose. I'm like, I just want to lose everything. I just want to get the fuck home. So I want to lose everything. So now I'm winning something, losing something. I'm like, I just want to lose everything. I just want to get the fuck home. So I want to lose everything. So now I'm down to nothing. And I call Mike.

I'm like, Mike, you ready to go? Mike didn't answer. I swear, if you don't tell this part correctly, because you fucked up. What? I didn't tell you? I didn't tell you. Time out. I didn't tell you.

Time out. I go through this with Rommel all the time. Okay. When he called me, right? Sounds like one of y'all niggas left somebody. No. Time out. I'm still with the niggas.

I tell this nigga, go home. Because I'm like, nigga, you got the bread. Break out. I'm not getting on a plane and leaving with my nigga. The point is, Todd is. You want to save me out again? I forgot. No, I'm not leaving. Wait, turn around. my nigger. The boys I'm with is tied in. That was St. Viand again, I forgot.

North Carolina. I'm not leaving with y'all. So I told him and James, I'm lying. No, you did. So I told him and my man G, I'm like, yo, go get on a plane. I'ma stay low with the two bros I'm with. You did have two bros, let's be clear.

But he wasn't banging out. Your nigga keeps talking. All right. So you know, just a little bit. Are y'all listening to the point? His man's up 200,000 in dice, nigga. Fuck anything, nigga. Don't go nowhere. Time out.

Fuck pancakes. No, time out. I'll make you waffles. So I tell him, I'm like your skate. I'm going to book a flight in the morning. None of these niggas know where I am. I'm not even coming back to that hotel. I don't give a fuck about my luggage,

nigga. I'm gonna stay at they crib. You and the rest of the wasteland niggas go fly home. I'm gonna sneak to the airport, and then after that, everything is alright. What does Karen do with all her yeah, yeah shit?

What does Karen decide to do? She picks up the phone and tells everybody where everybody is, and now what? In other words, he's so concerned about me that I'm telling him, I'm like, hello, McFly, fucking leave. Hold on, hold on. Stop, stop, stop. We just made $200,000. Why don't you fucking leave? Wait, wait, wait, wait.

We're missing the whole part. How the fuck these niggas knock on my door? How do you know my mother? I'm hiding my money. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait million dollars. AZ was like, yo, can I take a walk? What he saying to you? He saying, get a walk. And I wouldn't. I gave AZ a walk out of my window. No. When AZ asked the little nigga, he was like, yo, can I take a walk? It was flush, Cheeks, AZ, and like two other niggas. What's the Cheeks?

Yes. All right. Shout out to my cousin Cheeks. Shout out to LB. Like I said before, before, nigga, it wasn't about nobody but me and this little nigga, my nigga. He'd kill him. But I had to let, so like I said, I hid that.

I had to let the nigga, he was going to win. I was just, I wanted to lose. But now after I lose and I'm leaving, son, he had a nigga at the back door, the front door, and the elevator. Like, I wasn't leaving. So I'm going to tell you. But I hid the other shit. So now when I'm walking out, I got all the money.

I got all the money taken to me. I got $100,000 taken to me. It's hot outside. I got shorts on. I got $100,000 taken to me. This is what a dream chance executive produces movie? Here's why I don't like this story. Because he still fucking owes me technically.

I gave you a month! You're fucking lying. I'm going to tell you you lied. You're full of shit. Don't do that. I'm not. Don't do that. I'm going to leave it alone.

Don't do that. It was a great start. I'm leaving it alone. It was a great story. It was. But you kind of, don't lie. I have to. That's sick.

You stuck with him a little bit. No, I came home with 80. Oh, so now what? So now I can confirm my 25? I gave him 25. bit because when I'm 80 also you know just to now what I get back to confirm my 25 I gave 25 I got five thousand got me for everything. I called you from the fucking airport. From the airport, yeah.

And I chastised you when I was on the plane. I was like, you're a fucking dumb-dumb because I told you to leave already. But you're so fucking concerned that somebody's going to do something to me. They got me. And I'm telling you, I'm with Trini in her home. I got $5,000 left.

They got me. So nobody listened first off. Second off, the little nigga came back and roped him, gave him a proper one. Shellacking. You know what this motherfucker is? What you mean? I wanted to go home. What the fuck are we talking about?

Now it's I want to go home. Yeah, I got a hundred thousand in my pocket. And take the money back. Took all of it back. To make it back. I'm not saying his intentions wasn't pure. Yeah, I think it's pure. It was pure. So he goes in, I break up, I get 85 and all this shit. I'm gonna call the tub, nigga. Wait, but then what about the new couch?

What about the new couch when I get back to Flushing? I go in his crib and I'm like, yeah, that's a nice fucking couch. I mean, it rings a whole house. Obviously, this little cocksucker didn't take everything back. Yeah. Which is obviously, Mike, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta

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understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta understand, fucking couch. So I made rings the whole house. Obviously, this little cocksucker didn't take everything back. Yeah. Which is obviously, Mike, you got to understand. All right. Cool.

All right, leave it alone, nigga. I love you. I'm sorry it came out like that. But the moral of the story is like a dice game. That's what a dice game turned to, man.

Unbelievable, man. To end it all, it was the most amazing street shit I've ever witnessed living and breathing. Your man had a shitload. He had more money than we did in ten shows on that fucking bed. One day.

In one day. But this whole story started with Jay-Z started and you got back. Oh, yeah, we did. He wasn't dead. No, I know. The origin of the story. I remember him. I remember. I vividly remember him. I know AZ because he lost money.

He was asking me to throw a buyback. When I started, I went there. I was doing what you said I was doing. I was fucking with chicks, being Mike in the cut. And I came backstage. I seen them doing what they was doing. But at the time, they was rolling the dice. I didn't really think nothing of it

I was like this what niggas do when I got to the room, bro And I looked at my bed, bro Yeah, that's the first I thought you know, I thought niggas did some flushes shit So they fuck yeah niggas did and we in North Carolina. I'm not going down for this shit, bro. It's a casino Felicia ball is the casino The dice game started and behind the back was on stage which is a little curse We was gambling and I used to go but as I'm up like 40 he's something you'll give me 10 You'll give me 10 anything's pulling out meat out neat money, neat money. But everybody, nobody around

had no more money. Then he sent my four niggas home and then surrounded the hotel. And they literally, because he didn't see that part,

because I went to AHA. I didn't see until I left. So when I came back, I didn't go in the hotel. I stayed in the car with the two brothers because once I got back

to the hotel, literally, the entire hotel was surrounded with North Click niggas. And that's the minute where I was once I got back to the hotel, literally, the entire hotel was surrounded with North Click niggas. And that's the minute where I was like, yo, what the fuck is up?

But I'm in a car with them and they was all right. So I was like, give me that. Because my main thought was him. So once we get to the, we pulled up first

to the front door and I told them, I was like, don't go pulled up first to the front door. And I told them, I was like, don't go there, go to the side door. They gave me what they had. I jumped out because I'm worried about him. I made it back. I made it back.

I think James called me. And that's when I was like, yo, go back home. I'm going to go stay with them. I'm not even going to go back to my room. Fuck the clothes. Fuck the show money. All that shit. Go home and take that bread home. I'm going to go stay with them. I'm not even going to go back to my room, fuck the clothes, fuck the show money, all that shit. Go home and take that bread home. We had a good night, man. We had a good night. If it would have worked out, it would have been...

It kind of worked out for you, though. No, no. Look, it kind of worked out for you, though. 40 years later, nigga, Troop come out. This shit happens. This is what friends do. That's what happens. It's all right. Nobody gave me that couch. I brought it. He did his thing.

Before I go, I want to ask you. Mm-hmm. I have to ask this. Mm-hmm. The fallout with Irv got you. I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming. You know what's crazy bro I could sit here

And lie and say That I have it in my mind Ask myself how I would address this Cause I've never but I promised you That day at Mick's joint Shout out Mickie and Queens Finals I promised you Butch Rock

Butch told me he's going to fly that year. He told me. Yeah, I forgot to remind him. My bad. That might be my fault. Butch Rock. How do I start it? It's kind of like the analogy I would use is on.

Let me give you a little. Go ahead. Let me just give you. Go ahead. Let me describe my question a little better. Absolutely. I said the four-hour herb guy, right? But really, what I wanted to say is,

you know, we all, hey, we gon' pop a new one, bro. Oh, for sure. We gon' pop a new one, because this is about a sip left, and I ain't gonna do you like that. We gon' give you a whole, look, I can't do that to you, man. I've already been using it.

Wait, time out, restroom break? That's right, you know what I'm saying? Time out, just go. Which way is it? That way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't do that to you. Wait, time out. Restroom break? That's right. You don't have to say time out. Just go. Which way is it? That way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't going to lie.

Because it's the big dip a week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean. I got to go to the bathroom. I got to go too. So before we took a break, we wanted to get into the actual, you know, this is inevitable. But before that, you wanted to give me something? Yeah, I did. Come on, I love gifts, man.

Shout out to my man, Puzzle Life. And he has a foundation called Puzzle Life. And it's for kids that have autism that are from the inner city. My son, Matthew, is heavy on the autism spectrum. But you're not got a son that's on autism. Shout out, Matty. I love you.

I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. What I wanted to do is they found out I was coming on here and it means the world to them

to give this to you. That's so beautiful. So, Puzzle Light, this is for you. Thank you. So beautiful. Can we put this in my car? I don't want to...

It's a foundation organization? A foundation. What's this in my car? I want to feel good. It's a foundation organization? A foundation. What's the information for them? For people to find them? You can go right here. It's printed. You can go on Instagram.

You could hashtag Puzzle Life. Puzzle Life, okay. They're an organization from the South Bronx. They work to bring attention to kids that have autism in the inner city. Like I said, my son is heavy on the spectrum of autism. And these kids go through your nephew. Yes, yes. Yeah, so, you know, they wanted me to give him that. No, I got you.

I'm gonna definitely wear it. That's great. Hope your size large. If not, even if it's not. No, it's double that. I got you. I know you swim there. Yeah, but it's okay. I wear, I got you. I know you swimming there. I know, I know.

But it's okay. I'm wearing it just for you. I got you. Make some noise for that. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you.

I got you. I got you. So this last question, then we're gonna bring in our next guest. I'm ready for it. You're right. This David and Goliath. So what was the actual, you know,

because I would like a direct, you know, pause. You know, when we look at, when we look at, when we look at, you know, shit is real. It's almost like,

y'all try to like, almost to havoc and pee, almost to, you know, the ditty, the biggie, you know what I'm saying? It almost felt like that. So to see y'all fall out, and me, I'm one million percent on the outside looking in. Yeah, I mean, man, it's because I don't know how the world's hold. So I don't know.

I mean, I know that y'all just broke up. So no one knew why. Let's take this shot first. Everyone remembers the question, right? The right thing, right there. The shot, the shot, the shot. Boom. Salud.

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Now, was it the Top Dog contract? You supposed to sign a Top Dog? Yeah, I mean, it was a couple of things, bro. It was a couple of things. So I think the first thing, like, when I met her, I'll be honest, some connections in your life, they're organic or frit. Like, the minute me and him met, it was just that water.

You feel me? The minute me and Nat met, just that water. The minute me and Poe met, the minute me and Eric met, all that shit was just that with you. Genuine. Genuine.

Organic. It wasn't like that with her. I want to be devil's advocate. Sure. Because, and you could probably be 1 million percent correct. But, in that first video, that was like, it was like so, that felt organic to me. Here's what I'm going to say to you Okay In the first video

I'm just being devil's advocate No no no I'm not saying I'm correct Because I won't say There wasn't an organic element to it eventually For me as a person It takes a lot for me to Find reasons not to deal with someone

I'm a very I might be in my own shell but I'll give anyone in the world That fucking Is just genuine And I think a lot of people take advantage of that That fucking is just genuine. And I think a lot of people take advantage of that. And I remember not too long ago going online,

and it's funny when you read what people say about you. And like I said, just by nature, I'm not into me as a person. I don't read none of my comics, but I'm curious to figure out what you read. Every now and again, I peep just to see, what the fuck is this? In a snapshot of what's going on. And it was, I don't know who this person was,

but I think they summed it up in the best way possible. This person who I don't know said, pardon, their personalities clash. Meaning yours and hers. Right. Meaning everything ain't for everybody, everybody ain't for everything. And it kind of threw me aback in the sense that someone who doesn't know us knew the exact reason as to what it was. And to go in more depth into it, I met Irv at that talent show. And I met Irv through my nigga Chucky Madness, right? Okay, hold on.

I got you. Hold on, baby. Keep going. Keep going. that talent show and I met her through my nigga Chucky Madness right and Chuck was like Chuck used to keep me okay in Bayside he was a senior I was a freshman coming into Bayside high school but Chucky Madness was a legendary DJ in Queens like he's the nigga who took the the Nintendo shit and blended it and that blend tape went everywhere in the world. And Chuck knew Irv, and Chuck knew DJ Shade. DJ Irv. DJ Irv? At that point, yeah.

I'm not saying Magoo to insult him, I'm just saying he was the tags that niggas had to him. But his name was DJ Magoo? No, his name was DJ Irv, but other niggas had to him. What's his name, DJ Magoo? No, his name was DJ Irv, but other niggas called him Magoo. Because Irv would always squint like this. Magoo? Like Mr. Magoo.

Like the pet detective? Like Mr. Magoo. Mr. Magoo, was he a detective or something? No, no, Mr. Magoo, you couldn't see. You confusing too, yeah. What am I talking about? No, no, something in that area. Something close, something close.

You looking at something. Mr. Magoo used to always squint. So he would always call him Magoo. I thought he was Inspector Gadget. I'm sorry. Jesus Christ. How many of you put up Mr. Magoo? I'm sorry.

I'm just listening. Right. So I didn't know. That's a real ace drinker right there. I didn't at all know the bro. And then I remember the night I met him at the talent show at Liverpool And that was a hectic town. So a nigga shot the shit up all that shit, but I remember the nigga came over Kind of like the no, it's like the cute I got a whole bottle right here. I'm good. You good? You want some champagne? Nah, man.

I'm talking about I like niggas like you because I drink your shit. You know what I mean? That's why he likes me. I don't drink your shit. As long as you good with the juice. You good with the juice, then. That's it. That's all I need.

All right, cool. That's all right, my nigga. I like a fucking... I hang with you all day. Yeah, so do I. You drink that, I drink this. We don't shit. We don't shit.

We don't shit. I want the taste of me. I want the taste of me. Come on. Come on, man. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this.

We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this.

We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this.

We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. And he was just like, yo, I got a studio. And when he said all of that shit, first of all, I was drunk off of seeing ours, because that's what we drank all day long. The thing. That's what we was calling it. I said, call it a grease break. The thing.

So I'm drunk, and I'm high, and the nigga comes up to me talking all that shit, and I just started spitting off in his ear. As he's talking, you just start spitting around. As he's talking, I just started blacking out. Where did y'all go wrong at? Yeah, thank you. Where did y'all went wrong at? Where we went wrong was,

the first thing that went wrong was, we was in front of my crib. And Flush could tell you, my parents loved all of my friends. Like, my crib was kind of like, if your kid didn't get love at home, he could come to my crib was kind of like, if your kid didn't get love at home, he could come to my crib. So him, shout out Infrared, my cousin Infrared.

The crib was on the Army base, so I wasn't used to that. I'm coming from Russia. You used to live on the Army base? Yeah. I lived on 4th Avenue. Something crazy. My father was in the armed services. My father was a sergeant.

Shout out, rest in peace, to my dad. That puts a different dynamic on the story. I lived in Bayside. On Fort Totten. At that time. That's where old niggas really lived in? Yeah. I thought that was for military army.

So you're writing me this, Kareem? I'm going to the army base and I'm going to his room as DJ. I didn't tell you. You weren't the first nigga I know. This is what I come from. My father was NYPD and my father was a surgeon,

a sergeant in the armed forces. Let's make some noise for you. That's a deep sound. That's a deep sound. That man raised me, my nigga. So my dad fought in like three wars, bro. But anyway, neither here nor there. My crib was the hub.

He could come, Rudy could come. Anybody. Anybody could come. And my parents would be like, yo, you could sleep here, you could eat here. I went from porn cribs to four times. Yeah, I was with you. Porn cribs, very, very. Yeah, I'm fucking plussing.

That was my bedroom. That was the bedroom. That was the bedroom. That was the bedroom. I ride around in the sun. That was my bedroom. Let's finish, because listen, where did it go wrong with Irv Gotti?

Because you guys used to go everywhere else like that. We did Shish Reel, and we did a couple of records, and I remember it was one night in particular, Irv and Nichols came to my crib, and my mama, my stepmama, I don't call her that, but she's my mama. My real mama passed when I was 10. Nichols, that's not BJ. No, Nichols is...

But BJ was your A&R, your second album, right? BJ was my manager. Wow. Nichols is the guy that got shot with Tupac in the elevator when he got robbed. Right, so Freddie Moore. Nichols is Freddie Moore. You got history. Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nichols was my role manager. He got shot in the elevator with Pop. Anyway, so it was one night in particular, and everything was coming to a head.

Shout out to Barnes, Roger Barnes and Priest, because that's another part of the story. My cousin Roger Barnes fucked with Puff at Babel. That was our manager, George Rowan. George Rowan was my first manager. So there was a tug of war going on between George Rowan, who was my manager, and Irv Gotti, who pretty much laid all the footwork. And I'm caught in the middle.

I'm 18 years old. This the beginning of your second album? This is still the first album. This is before we even finished, naturally. So I'm 18 years old. This is the beginning of your second album? This is still the first album. This is before we even finished Natural. So I'm just like... And you're 18. You're a kid. I'm a baby, bro. And not to mention, I got a gun charge I'm in court for.

While all of this shit is going on. In New York City. Five years minimum. Facts. And one in the chamber. Your bestest story, though. So Irv is like, yo, I don't understand. Why is all this, why you letting all these niggas come between us, blah, blah, blah.

And I'm telling the nigga, I'm like, yo, bro, I'm not letting no one come between us. I know what you did. I know you pressed the record up. I know you got hype. You got all these things that me and myself, I would have never brought to my table because I'm not thinking this way. And Irv has an uncanny ability to let his ego, I hate to say it, take control of every mode of function. And I never forget the nigga turned to me and he was like, see, I should have just made you sign a paperwork. And when he said that shit, a joke ran through my body.

A joke? A joke. A joke. Like a, you know, like a chill. Like, you know, when you do one of them things. So I'm like, wait a minute. My mama just gave you a plate of food I just asked you two weeks ago for five dollars Because I stopped selling drugs, all that shit

I'm broke, bro Trying to figure out what I want to be in life I go to this studio because you asked me to And you're like, yo, just try it Nigga, you wouldn't even give me five dollars for chinese food but you're gonna sit here after my mama just fed you a plate of food and tell me you should have made me sign anything first of all you're not a fucking made nobody sign nothing nigga and i'm not saying that to charge up ego.

I'm just calling it like I see it. And the first thing that ran through me, I was like, yo, this nigga don't respect me. This nigga thinks that I'm some sort of bitch nigga that lives on an army base in Bayside and comes from an obscure place that he's never known because it's from the side of Queens he don't fuck with. Called Flushing. You don't tell me anything in terms of your strategic. Right. So really,

I'm getting everything you think of me in one fatal swoop. Can I be devil's advocate one more time? Sure. Do you think that he meant it in a way where, like...

Yes. Wait, you ain't let me finish. I don't need to. He gets what you're saying and I was why Which way you think he meant it in a way he meant it in the egotistical way Oh that he thought this is the road map that I should follow because if I follow this and bitches see me in this car And see me with this person and I'm under this umbrella

This all forwards according to that script. And this nigga don't fall into that. I'm just going to use him to get where I need to go. The reason I will tell you that is because the hood rats, nigga, that he fucked with before me, there was a record called If You Bootleg, You Get Your Leg Broke, Nigga. That's the group he fucked with before me.

Yeah. You went nowhere fast. Right. You find this obscure nigga from Bayside, New York, who's never, ever... No one knows him. Right. And I'ma tell you the most insulting shit. Since we don't call spades spades.

I think I came around. Fucked everything up. You drinking Ace of Spades, by the way. I think I came around. Fuck everything else. You took an ace of spades by the way. No, no, no. You took an ace of spades by the way. No pun. No pun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love you, bro. Anyway, the nigga tried to introduce me to someone that I had already been on side with. You feel me? And when the nigga tried to act like he was putting me on to the person, the person was like, nigga, that's Mike.

Mike ran from TNT like 10 times this summer and came back to the block the same day. I tried to pay the nigga to come back and work and he wouldn't do it. And I knew the nigga day. I tried to pay the nigga to come back and work and he wouldn't do. And I knew the nigga you turning me on to. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I understand everything.

So mind you, I don't say nothing and I don't do nothing but in that one moment when he told me, see, I should have made you. Okay, okay, let me finish.

I don't know, is that the ice cracking over there? Nah, let me finish. I don't know, but is that the ice pocket over there? Nah, let me play devil's advocate. Okay, good. I'm going to ask you

because you my nigga. I do believe you have genuine, do you not have genuine love for me, bro? Absolutely. Okay, so I'm going to ask you is my nigga one to one.

Fuck the camera. Was I right to feel insulted? This is my point. I'm listening. We not connect right now. We both in six years. I took a little shot too. But let me just

be serious. No, no, no. I could understand how he meant that. That's like elaborate. Let me hear it. Hit meant that. That's like, elaborate. Let me hear, hit me up. Like, yo, I knew I should've did a certain thing. Like, he might've said it wrong.

That's what I'm saying. I'm not actually, Are you defending him? Defending him of love? No, this is the thing. No, that's not what he means. He means that he just ran with What he thought, but He didn't take the time

To properly, in a PR way Say it There was no spin on it That's what he means It's different for me and Paul When Paul came home And I said, we're going with this lawyer Paul didn't give a fuck

About how I said it or not because he trusted me enough to know. But there was a difference. But there could have been a weight of how I said it to him. Right. Because he's just coming home from jail, and he could have took it that way. But Tom, that's the reason why I'm just giving you

the devil advocate problem. I get it. So what he's saying, so this is what I'm trying to say. I think Paul's still pissed off by you. Huh? He's pissed off. He's about to come on and say it. That is damn true. I'm it. So what he's saying, so this is what I'm trying to say. I think y'all are still pissed off by you. Huh? He's pissed off. He's about to come on and say, I'm not saying it's true.

He's not. He's not. He's pissed. He's pissed. Why are you talking about the lawyer? Yo, stop. No, but what I'm saying, no, I'll give you an example.

No, no. But what I'm saying is, when a person says, yo, I should have made you sign with me, it sounds like some sick, nice shit, right? But if we're family, it really isn't. Like, the thing is this, right? Let's hold me in flux, right?

All right, forget it. I'll give you a better example. I'll give you a real life reality example. Hold on, hold on, I'll give you a, just to do this. I brung Pharrell to everybody. Yes, you did. I literally grabbed this dude,

You sure did. And I brung him to Jay-Z. I brung him to Nas, I brung him to everybody. Everybody, they gave me the weirdest excuses, like your man's shirt is too tight. Like, what, whatever. Why did he have a choker on, right? They was giving me weird excuses, right?

I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what to do, right? So, hit me up, hit me up. The thing is, they didn't know how to say, they told me no, but they didn't know what I knew. Right. Later on in life, after they knew.

I understand what you're doing. It doesn't fucking matter, and here's my counter to that. And I understand where you were going. You were saying, yo, sometimes there's situations where the train is moving so fast that sometimes you have to override the fact that everyone's not being politically correct. Is that what you're saying? That is kind of. But here's the shit that I'm saying. I could have went back and said, fuck you, Jay-Z.

And fuck you, Nas. Like, now y'all want to work with him? But I told y'all before. I told y'all, like, but I did. So, but I did feel a certain way. I did y'all, like, but I did. So, but, I did feel a certain way. I did feel a certain way, not with just them.

I'm talking about with Mr. Cool, everybody. I wrote with No Limit because No Limit, there was a guy named Skull Duggery that was signing

the penalty records and we was, I was shopping for a little today. But what I'm trying to say is, like, sometimes you can have a little bit of foresight.

So do you think, like, in retrospect. In retrospect, yes. We've been thinking all the way back. Right. And Irv said, yo, yo. Do I think I overreacted? Is that where you're going? Yo, yes.

Do you think you overreacted? And you think, should you have signed with Irv? You my nigga, so I'm going to say this. Keep it real. I have asked myself that question many a day. Right? And I'm going to be more definitive. Because I know you understand.

But I want the audience to understand. No, but I know you understand. Thank you. When you allow yourself to grow, it's a different ballgame. You can admit to yourself, you know what, maybe I was a little bit impetuous. Right. Maybe I was just going with youth and doing with youth. Because youth are highly offended at everything.

Because I hear when he stepped to you, you said, I'll let you do half of the album, and then I'm going to let my other people do the rest. Time out. I'm going to tell you another story let you do half of the album and then I'm gonna let my other people time out I'm gonna tell you another story that showed me the truth we coming out of TVT one day you wasn't in but you know the story well it was if I wasn't worried about putting myself on that man was dope we were supposed to follow his lead a little. You are talking about Isla. Yeah, yeah. Isla, you're very well, man. Honestly, man.

We're supposed to win with that, man. Tom out. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. No, we're not breaking. OK, good. That's what I'm going to say. We're supposed to follow that lead, man. Figuratively speaking.

Very good court case. But did you hear what Flush said, though? I heard what he said. Okay. I'm acknowledging what he said. I'm going to say this. I'll never forget. We came out of TVT one day, and Irvin had just got an MPV, a maroon MPV, right?

Follow me. I'm listening. Maroon MPV. We came outside of TVT, and the window was busted in the MPV. And mind you, this is after the I should have made you. The window was busted. The MPC machine is gone. Somebody broke into this MPV and took the machine.

We go up East 4th Street. If you're on East 4th, you can only make a right. There's a restaurant and then there's like this weirdo homeless shelter. And Irv is heartbroken that somebody broke the window of the MPV and took the drum machine. But your records? Every record. Okay. It's me, Irv, my man Bink, rest in peace, and Infrared.

And the MPV. Infrared and rock records. Infrared, that's my cousin. Lean back, lean back. That's my cousin. That's my nigga. Infrared grew up in my crib. We love F. We love F. Shandell Green. Shandell Green. Some family, yeah, Shandell Green, yeah, that's my nigga. And for that, grew up in my crib. Oh, fuck yeah. We love F.

Shandell Green. Shandell Green. That's my family. Yeah, Shandell Green. Yeah, that's my family. That's my family. That's my family. That's small ass holograms.

Polygrams? Look at that's what he got. Almost makes a living. Come on over here. Hey! That's a nice t-shirt you got there, buddy. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. It's a nice t-shirt. Let's go. Let's go there. Let's go there. So we going around the corner on East Lafayette, on East 4th, when we make the right turn. It's a one-way street. There's a restaurant that Russell Simmons frequented. Right? And for some strange reason, we pull around.

And in my peripheral, I keep seeing this one nigger checking out the MPV, but then checking out his forward direction. And I'm not going, nigga, you know how that go. Something in me told me, yo, watch him. So the nigga keeps looking at the MPV and then keeps looking at the door of the shelter. Keeps looking at the MP. Finally, by chance, our eyes lie. I tell Irv, I'm like, that's the nigga who broke into that fucking truck. He has the drum machine. I don't say nothing.

I jump out the MP like quick. I'm going out the MP like boom. Knocking this nigga around in the front of the homeless shelter. Inf jumps out, Brahami, we beating the shit out this nigga around in the front of the homeless shelter. Inf jumps out, Brahami, you beating the shit out this nigga. Bing jumps out the side. Rest in peace. Rest in peace to Bing.

Bing blocks the entrance to the shelter. He a little big, so he blocks it. I'm beating the shit out this nigga like, nigga, where the fuck is this drum machine? Y'all don't know nothing. I don't know nothing. Bow. I'm pounding this nigga. Sit down with me.

Me and the niggas, I'm sorry, I don't mean to get the act, but boy, I'm pounding the nigga out. Me and the niggas, passing the nigga to us like a ping pong ball. Big blocks to entry, so the nigga can't run. I'm like, yo, where the fuck is this road king? Stop.

We run up another level of the building. It's like a two-story building. So now when we run up, I'm sorry if everybody don't get me, but I'm going to tell it like I tell it. Tell it. Tell it. Tell it. Tell it. Tell it. Tell it.

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Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. We beat the nigga all the way up to the second flight Of the homeless show No wait time out Police come Police got Burners out on us like this They like nobody Fuck a move we'll pop anyone

Me and If is busy beating The shit out the nigga the nigga finally gets To the point where he's like alright it was that nigga Right there The nigga Irv was like yo I, I'll tell you anything you know. You want to know, I'm a producer. Listen, listen, listen. Time out, time out.

Time out. I'm out, I'm out. I'm on the wall like this with police with a burner on me. I'm like, nigga, I just hopped out of your van for your machine with your music music Nigga, Paul is here With your music My fucking cousin is here, god damn it We talking about

We talking about But listen This is ass This ass I didn't know I said to myself I said, yo If this nigga

Could tell you in front of your house After your mom said After your mom's gate This nigga played a foot And the nigga said, yo, if this nigga could tell you in front of your house after your mom said, after your mom gave this nigga a plate of food and the nigga said, yo, I should have made you. If this nigga fucking, and the important part, Irv used to always keep a club. Remember them shits called the club? If he would have said that shit, I would have said you right. You made us, nigga, with that check. We did it all wrong, bro. Let's just move on with that, my nigga.

That's something in life that we supposed to let that fly through. My point to the story is, in that moment, he turned and he turned to the police and he was like, I'll tell you everything. I kind of felt like, yo. What did we expect? We wanted him to know. And I added that to the...

We love life. I do love life. I ain't even gonna reiterate that. You spin me. Wait, wait, wait. Tom, and maybe, maybe I'll say this. Maybe I don't call it right. But to me, it all added up to,

this person doesn't really care about you. Nah, Mike. And if this person fucking... He did, he did care. Wait, Tom, I'm not gonna say that wait time out okay what I will say

is he had respect for everything we did because what we did was bigger than us we we changed a thousand people's lives from one record

from shit's real we changed Hov's life Hov's life we changed X's life. We changed Ru's life. We changed his life. We changed a million niggas from just one record.

And this ain't even what I wanted in life. But then when he said that, I kind of was like, yo, if you do this, what happens? When he was like, yo. I should have made you sign a contract? But I... Again, just being devil-atticated, right? The thing is this, right? Maybe I'm wrong.

Let's suppose you're my man and you signed to somebody and you don't like the contract you signed to. You don't think that's rightfully for me to say I should have made you sign it? What I don't take from him is, everything that I didn't think to do, you did. And was I willing to sign this contract?

Absolutely. Had he not said that that night after... As me being a man, people got to pick and choose. Listen, people got to pick and choose. Because I'm going to tell you, people got to pick and choose. Listen, people got to pick and choose. Because I'm going to tell you, people got to pick and choose. That was the right time for him to say that. So niggas got to use their weapons when they can use them. He was supposed to.

Because he was trying to prove a point to you. What I'm trying to say is this. What I'm trying to say is this. And please, at 47 years old, don't tell me how I should feel about you. Nah, I'm telling you how to handle it. That's what I'm around you for. Time out. That's what't tell me how I should feel about nothing. Nah, I'm talking out of hand. Time out. That's what I'm around you for. Time out.

That's what you love about me. Allow me to speak. Yes, yes. And I do love that, but allow me to speak. At 47 years old and having a family, I've learned one thing. Nobody in this world can tell you how you feel. You feel how you feel because of a reason. It's not to say that nobody can't give you clarification

about how you feel and then maybe you'll feel differently after you have the discussion. That's not what was presented to me. Point blank, I love Irv. There's nothing, just to clear up everything. To this day,

Irv can't go through nothing and if I'm there, I wouldn't stand there and be like, nigga, it's us to the end. Still. Still. You love me? You hear me? Stop.

It's intentional for you. You're Mike Geronimo, nigga. Look at that out front, bro. Let's talk about Mike Geronimo, my nigga. I love you, bro. I'm here to watch you, my nigga. Crazy? I'm not in danger of jeopardizing where I stand with people out here. Nah, we ain't got to talk about nobody else, nigga. Nah, you got it. That's it.

So allow me to just speak under the rug. I'm going to watch you. I'm going to watch you. I'm here for you. I'm going to protect you always. You know that, right? So what I would say is this. Respect that.

Because of what we did as people, and because of the amount of lives that we change from just one record I will always love love Irv Gotti I don't care if Irv Gotti does a movie I don't care if Irv Gotti does another artist I don't care if Irv Gotti does murder ain Inc. the reboot. I love Irving Lorenzo. Let's make some noise for that. And I'm going to say this. I understand some of the things that he said and did. Because when it comes to the top dog game.

Because when it comes to it, either you ready for this game or you not. But, but, but, all right. Now, I want to, super being devil's advocate. Super being, I'm not on anybody's side, for Queens. Right?

It came a time where you actually joined them or be on your own. Right? Chose or be on your own? All right? You chose to be on your own. Because I felt that what I saw

were figurative red flags. And the first thing, and the other thing I didn't touch on, another thing that turned me off was I started watching how this money started changing niggas yeah we said that and i started watching how niggas started becoming different towards each other and i started asking myself am i are you ready to tell somebody that you fucked with all day long when you had nothing you can't fuck with them no more because life is taking you somewhere else?

Are you going to be able to live with that? Because guess what this game tells you? This game tells you, you better convert to what this bitch called success wants you to be. And if you can't be the boyfriend that I'm looking for, then I don't want to fuck with you. I'll fuck you, but I don't want to fuck with you.

That's why I fuck with him. And me as a person, I said to myself, I said, yo, bitch, I see who you are. It's my heart. I see who you are, bitch. You're going to push me away from niggas that kept me okay when I had nothing.

You're going to push me away from niggas that when I couldn't find a reason to go on and none of it made sense, these are the niggas that in the crib would tell me something. What's up, my boy? Oh, what's up, man? What's up?

Relax with it, man. Relax with it. See, we're talking to my... These are the niggas that would tell me... It's not real, though. Real emotional. This is real. It don't get no realer than this.

These are niggas that would tell me something that would make me see what I couldn't see in myself. And they didn't have the option we had. And you're trying to force me to leave niggas behind me that won't get the shot that I got, that I never wanted. So basically, it was more like, if you're going to fuck with Roy, you're flush, you're going to follow. Let's leave.

And he wasn't leaving me, my nigga. If you want to keep it 100, stop. I don't need you to protect me. I'm not. I'm not. I'm just telling the truth. Keep talking. I don't need you to tell your truth.

I don't need you to protect me right now. Let me grow up. Keep going. I'm always going to protect you. I love you, but... I'm always going to protect you, nigga. Niggas could have pushed me away from him. Yes.

I thought that a long time ago. And niggas tried to push me away from him. Yes. I thought that a long time ago. And niggas tried to push me away from it. Yes. And I didn't want to I didn't want nobody to push me away from my brothers. And I wasn't allowing nobody to push me away from my brothers. I can see that.

Very clear. Because there's a rainbow over there. And if you just go according to this script that we feed all of you motherfuckers, you're going to be just fine. And if I give you enough, you forget him. What the fuck kind of shit is that? Why would you ask me to forget him?

I agree. So I walked away from everything. Everything. Nigga, I tried to take my own life because of this shit. Oh, I got that call. I was there for it. And one day I woke up

and I heard my mom. My mom died. I was there for it. And one day I woke up and I heard my mom. My mom died when I was 10, boy. I went to TVT and them niggas said, guess what? We're not giving you no more of a pideen. I said, oh, you not? I said, so let me get this straight. You sent me up to sell an album that only sells 80,000 units in its first week. You don't have your radio team in order.

You don't have your marketing team in order. You don't even have the fucking artwork guy in order. Me and this nigga is looking through the little glass at photos. Like, use that for the cover. You rely on this motherfucker, but he done already got signed to Def Jam and became a A&R. So you really think he gives a fuck

about what happens here? Not to mention, he's gonna use this second album to run me dry And he knows it But this motherfucker ate a plate of food From my mama and told me he was my fucking friend

And my mama shows him love And his brother shows me more love than him And not near than his brother Tell me I said anything Anything against this man No matter what he did to me Nigga, there's footage on YouTube Of this nigga gloating

About shutting down my shows with funk master flex. He didn't mean it. He just love you. That's why 50 shot. Wait, time out. I don't give a fuck whether you meant it or not. I wouldn't do that to you. So right here, bro.

Because if you're my man, you're my man. I will never do that to you. This money shit never. Being devil's advocate. Thank you. Hold never Bless you. But being devil's advocate. Thank you. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Being devil's advocate. I gotta pee so bad. Do you? Do you, brother. I gotta pee too.

Fuck that! I gotta pee too! Hold on, stop, stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop, stop, stop. Dramatic, dramatic, dramatic no piss. Dramatic no piss. Stop, stop, stop, stop. I would never get on with this. I don't know if this is dramatic, dramatic, dramatic. No piss. No, stop, stop, stop. I would never give up.

No, no, that's a dramatic, dramatic, piss ball. It's bad? No, no, no. No piss for Peter. No piss for Peter. Nigga, what you saying is dope, nigga. But listen, what I'm trying to say is, your ex-girl, your ex-shorty, no, your ex-shorty, no, no, your ex-shorty, you really want her to do good? No, really, you so you know, you really want to do good.

That's right. Because this is saying that I understand. I'm a advocate for her. For her. No, no, no. I get what you I get the analogy. It's the fucked up analogy. Yeah.

That analogy made me want to do this more. No, but he's right. He admitted it. He's right. It's a lot of emotion involved. And if you went through that much of an emotional... Your number one shooter leaves you... You don't really want to say anything. So you're speaking from emotion.

How'd you treat me like your number one shooter? You treated me like I was unintelligent. You treated me like I was a fucking punk. You treated me like, yo, you should have just went with it just because, stupid. You should just recognize that I'm here. And if you want to call a fucking spade a spade, I love Irv for his ingenuity.

I love Irv for his tenacity. I love Irv for his perseverance. I love Irv for the fact that he will build a better Mousetrap. What I don't love Irv for his perseverance. I love Irv for the fact that he will build a better Maelstrom. What I don't love Irv for is he reminds me of fucking Trump. Oh, Jesus. I think they got a P.I.

in that shit. Well, everybody is a bad man. This guy knows. That was real. Everybody got us. God, this guy knows! That was real! Everybody got an answer, go pay them. Nigga, take it or fucking leave. That's how you get in the store. Without you, son.

Mike! I'm serious, man. Watch your way out of this. Yeah, man. I don't wanna say to you, you know what I'm saying, bro? You just need to keep jumping in like, I shouldn't say what I should say, it's a motherfucker.

Don't tell me how to feel, it's a boomerang. I know. I know. That's right. Listen. I know. I know. Period. I'm 47 years old. Tell me I'm not smart enough to evaluate processes. Get the fuck out of here. I do this shit all fucking day, bro. I'm wrong.

And if you ask me to give you the fucking truth, I should take the truth? That's the problem with where we are now as a people. The truth is the fucking truth. If it doesn't add up, one plus one is two, that's a fucking lie. And don't ask me to ride with a fucking lie, because that's what's happening. I got to answer to myself in the morning, bro. I got to answer to my kids in the morning, bro. I got to be okay with when I go into a box, did I do it all the way that I felt that shit?

I'm sure. I don't give a fuck how anybody fucking feels about it. I don't give a rat's ass about it. I gave my whole life to this shit. And then when I stopped with this shit, I went and rebuilt another fucking life that has nothing to do with hip-hop. Because I'm not about that shit.

I'm not going to give up on my people because the niggas with money is telling me, yo, fuck with him. Fuck your foe. Fuck that your mom took the time to care about somebody else's child the way she would care about you. I'm not that nigga.

I'm going to come out and say I wasn't built to play this game. Because this game will make you leave niggas behind. This game will make you believe you're something else. Unless you're strong enough like my nigga. This is why I love him to death. He kept being him. And it is what it is, and I'm gonna give a fuck about how no one fucking

takes it. Period. Come on, let's just film this. Let's sit down, baby. We on fire. Let's do it, baby. We're more motherfuckin' Serac than you. I'm on fire. I'm on pillows, nigga. You took a Serac shot? I feel like I did a high chance. I feel like I did a high chance.

You did a high chance. You high chance? I'm a little nigga too, man. I'm soft, bro. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft.

I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft.

I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft.

I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft.

I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. I'm soft. Two of those, I mean, you know. Where's your key? What are you talking about? Where's your key, guys? What did I tell you?

I told you. I said, you could walk off. It'd be, bam, Driftman now. We've been going in through it. This is the reason why. This is the reason why. Quiet, man. This is the reason why, you know.

We're rolling? I mean, we haven't stopped. I mean, we haven't stopped. You know, this is our show, buddy. Thanks, buddy. Thanks, buddy. But what I'm saying is because so many people use that word black ball.

You think at one point Absolutely. Without question. You finish it, man. I like it. And I'm going to tell you why. It would be different. If I use black ball, let's be different. You thought you was blackballed. Let's be clear.

I kind of... The second album or the third album? Thank you, Mr. Lee. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. The second album. The second album. That's when you went with Puffin' him.

Because, listen, I watched something on the internet. It said the beef between Irv Gotti and Puff Dottie started... Wait, they had a beef? And who's Puff Daddy? That's what nigga said, man. That was the least cousin, bro. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all leaked it, man.

You didn't take a piss, but we all took a piss. Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Endure, endure, endure, endure, endure. All right. Nah, bro. On, endure, endure, endure. All right. Nah, brother. On the internet, it said the beef between Irv Gotti

and Fuck That, they had a temporary beef. They did. Was because Irv said that he didn't want anybody to work with Mike Geronimo. But meanwhile, the Hitmen and them did work. I believe that. And here's why I believe believe it because there's footage right now on youtube with herb doing an interview with funk master flex this is the nature to

i don't have beef with flex because i don't consider the nigga to be a nigga you could have beef with it's the second time you said flex you got your shot though is that shot oh is that a shot? Oh, is that a shot? Shot time? Let's do it. Shot time! I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Come on, Breeze, Breeze, Breeze, fuck that! I think that was it. Hey! That was a ball.

No, that may not have needed one. No, you giving that, I get it. Go ahead. The big one. Flex, a couple of months ago was talking about Jay-Z, and I'm going to reiterate. Oh, he was dissing Jay? Tell me about it. I'm going to say it.

I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say it. The big one. Flex, a couple of months ago, was talking about Jay-Z. And I'm going to reiterate.

Oh, he was dissing Jay? Wait, Tyler, I'm not an internet dude. I don't keep up with shit. You feel me, bro? I'm in my lane. I'm in my lane. I think of my kids. I think of what my business made that day.

I think of red. I think of black. And that's it. It's a game, man. I know, right. It's just, we're saying that, I know y'all with me. So I'm not paying attention

to all this other playground shit. I'm not. I'm not even in the playground, bro. Long before somebody calls me, yo, like some shit about, yo, if Jay-Z were out, he would have been Mike Geronimo. He didn't

make it, but he was nice. It was an insult. And it wasn't an insult on Flex's part, but it could have been worded differently. Right? Fast forward, I shoot back at Flex like, yo, I'm not with none of this

sucker shit, bro. Because I just came off of Steve Stout coming up here and saying some fucking weirdo shit. He did? I forgot. Stout apparently was on your show. Well, he was on our show. Not apparently. Right, and he said some shit.

Me and you. He said the Mike Geronimo shit. Yeah, yeah, we did. We did. What did he say? I'm so sorry. We've been like 200 hours. Yeah. Right. sent the mics around some person wasn't affiliate and they said something to you and me and you talked on Twitter yeah we briefly and you seen some shit about

fucking on or whatever all this shit so I said I was like look stout said some crazy shit on the other show he was on look stout said some crazy shit on the show he was on where what did he say come on mike you were rolling a cigar and footnote to you stupid anybody could buy a cigar all right so the says some crazy and he's like yo he's a fake naz yeah yeah yeah i said however however fuck You feel about me I can give less Than a rat's ass Honestly put

Cause at the end of the day I don't fucking see you You don't fucking see me And I've been around you A thousand times in life And I can tell you this The way you said What you said here

When he wanted to Fucking showboat with you He didn't say that shit When I was in front of him. And then it took him 20 years to admit how he felt about me. So honestly, I don't give a fuck about how you feel. I don't care about the Knicks. I don't give a shit about Anheuser-Busch. I don't care about Carol's daughter.

God bless you. I'm glad you did this. You should be helping more of us in the community. But fucking fuck you. I'm glad you did this. You should be helping more of us in the community. But fuck and fuck. You go out there and mix at the same time? At the end of the day, go fuck yourself. This nigga says, Nixon and Haja Bush. That dude just seized out. Oh, that's his...

Yeah, that's his company. He, he, not to mention McDonald's. Right. But he was on your show when he said something very disrespectful. He said a lot of things on the show. He said a lot of shit. Yeah.

Oh, we got a little bit of watermelon in the smoke. He said a lot of shit. Oh, we got a little bit of watermelon in the throat. He said a lot of shit there. I know. There's watermelon here. Watermelon's here. And I got Capone here. And I... We here.

And just so you know, I feel like Stout, you know, I'm not defending him. Because I had the same conversation with Kormega. And at the time, I felt like Kormega, AZ, and you, I probably should have stopped him at certain things. But the problem was I had so much beef with Stout myself.

You did? Yeah, that I was waiting. So I really didn't hear any time. You was waiting for your point to come back. I was waiting for my point. So you know what? I apologize to anybody but but i'm gonna be honest like it was about me and stop reconnecting when he was on the

because you're not the first person that came to me and felt a certain way about what stout came on here no but what he said about me was very aimed i don't remember what he said. I'm going to tell you what he said. OK. And here's why. OK. I don't fucking watch blogs, bro. Right. Even if it's my brothers that I love. Right. I knew you had drink chance.

Yeah, we in the blog, though, baby. We a TV show. We a goddamn motherfucking podcast. We run fucking radio. We everything. We everything. We really fucking, fucking not run the reef. He, we're here. We really looking, Mark and I, we're on the roof. See?

Me and my wife were watching you, and I told my wife, I said, I'm so happy for my nigga because I could see Nori Let's give it to the style, what happened to the style? Having a talk show in 10 years. Yeah, it's just like, I'm gonna be the David Letterman. It's coming out. Getting back to the way, back to the style. What happened, what style? I'm sorry. Having a talk show in 10 years. Yeah, it's just like, I'm gonna be the David Letterman. It's coming out. Getting back to the what?

Back to the style. What happened? What did the style say? I don't remember. He said something along the lines of, you asked him something and the nigga was like, fuck Mike Geronimo. He's like a fake nine.

He said, yeah, he said that was a fake nine. He said Mike Geronimo was a fake nine, whatever. And I was like, this motherfucker, here's the story I didn't get to. You tried to black bull me, because Foxy Brown was sitting on my fucking lap in a video. But he didn't want me to do that, but we took out the video.

So that's where it started from. It started from wherever you at, wherever you are video, my correct. Foxy Brown came through. Wait, now time out, just for clarity. She wasn't looking her best. Wait, time out. But she was still dope.

Time, don't, time out. Don't clean it up wasn't looking her best. Wait, time out. But she was still dope. Time out. Go ahead. Don't clean it up. I'm about to. I'm about to. I don't need you to clean it up. I never knew Foxy Brown. A day in my fucking life.

Brian Leach knew Foxy Brown. Brian Leach told Foxy Brown to come to the wherever you at shoot. Right. At this time, there's already idiots in the street pitting me and Nas against each other. I said that earlier. Not knowing that Nas is the same nigga when I was 17 years old

protected me from getting arrested and fucking my freedom being at sacrifice. Please. So I'll never go against Nas. Even when this fucking wanted to gas it up. So if you're going to call it a spade, call it a spade.

Foxy comes to the video, sits on my lap. She don't get her outfit. She don't get makeup. You are as you are. I don't even know you. And the thing that sticks out the most, I remember Elliot Wilson

jumped into the limo and interviewed her. And she was like, Mike's like my brother. And in my head, I was like, yo, no disrespect to her. I love Ingrid because we got cool over the years. I love Gab. I love her brother. They are good folk.

That's the only brother I love. When she said that, I said to myself, yo, I just met you five minutes ago. Why are you sitting here telling this man that we're like brother and sister? I don't know you. Tim and Mike don't say nothing. I don't like waves, bro.

I don't like feeling uncomfortable, bro. Even if it's something I don't agree with, at that moment, I ride with it and I'll address it later, which is why I'm upset, bro. Even if it's something I don't agree with, at that moment I ride with it, and I'll address it later. Which is why I'm upset at him trying to interject, because he don't have to. No, but she's like a Virgo. She's like, that's how Virgo people feel.

I'm a Virgo. Sometimes you feel like you just meet somebody. Me and Nas have the same birthday. September 14th, 1973. September 6th. I love you, bro. September 6th, yeah. I think you guys are crazy, bro. I'll continue, this story is so phenomenal. Go ahead, 1973. On September 6th. I love you, bro. On September 6th, yeah. I think you guys are crazy, bro.

I'll continue this story. It's so phenomenal. Good. So she sits on my lap. They filmed the video. This is not my idea. Brian has a shout-out to my man in Dallas.

They tell me do it. I'm young. I'm an artist. I don't know no better. I ride with it. I'm at my crib, bro. Pierpont and Henry Street. 82 Pierpont. I'm lying. No, bro. Pierpont and Henry Street. 82 Pierpont.

I'm lying. No, you had like a library when you walked in your lobby. Boom. Foxy calls my crib at like a 10 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon while video music boxes on. I'm lying, Pete. No. I'm lying. She told me.

She's like, yo, all the Queensbridge niggas want to tear you up. AZ and them is mad. Russell is going to kill your career I'm like, yo, bitch, what the fuck are you talking about? Them milk My girl at the time, milk grabs the phone and she's like, first of all, bitch Why are you calling my house at 10 o'clock on a Saturday? Who the fuck are you and why are you calling my man? So now I call BJ Since we gonna go there

I go through the network The umbrella I'm like yo this broad just called me Talking some crazy reckless shit Niggas wanna do this that and the third I know all y'all from that side of town bro And you by default Cause of him

You got power on his side of town Cause you. And you by default, because of him, you got power on his side of town. Because you two is birds of a feather locked together. I don't know where you're going with this, bro. Nigga, if he came out

to the liquor store in the graveyard block, he was all right. You feel me? Of course. Another shot, Tom. Another shot. Another shot.

So I'm like, what is going on? Another like, what is going on? Another shot What is going on? I call BJ, he call homeboy Big homie Big homie makes a call Him and Irv is regulating

Yada yada They call me back in like an hour They like, yo, don't worry about none of that shit Fast forward to DMX wedding. DMX got married in Yonkers. We all go. I'm there, Jay's there, um, Nas is there. Um, Ja's there.

Aisha's there. How real is that? You feel me? Fuck all this shit. How real is that, bro? Cause I know you know You lived across the street So now Me rule

Aisha and Milk break out We go to a club called The System On 13th street in the city Who said that? Right on Mr. Lee Mr. Lee I think he's... I'll go in with you.

Brother in arms. Brother in arms. Tell me what kind of drugs you sell them. No, relax. Yeah, yeah, relax. Relax, relax, relax. Relax, relax, relax. I'm okay with you.

You're okay, yeah. Keep going. Yeah, keep going, bro. Keep going. You sure? Yes, I'm positive. We'll drink it. Give it yeah. Keep going? Yeah, keep going, bro. Keep going. You sure? Yes, I'm positive. We a drinker. Wait a minute. Give it a shot. Give it a shot. That's the ace. Good, good.

You're such an ace. No, no, no. Go, go. You know what? No, no. You got to sip it. You want some of this? You want some of this? No, no, no. It's good, baby. No, you good, man.

Now, Mike, let me just say something, bro. I'll be honest. This is my brother, too. But, Mike, you're the most Now, Mike, let me just say something, bro. I'll be honest, this is my brother, too. But, Mike, you're the most untold story in hip-hop. Do you really believe that? He's from Queens, and my nigga, look, he's from Queens. Nah, in a great way. That was the flyest shit a nigga could say like that. And that's so true, though.

Nobody really knows your history. Nah, that's dope. We want to know your history. That's why we though. Nobody really knows your history. Nah, that's dope. I don't wanna know your history. That's why we here. We here. Hi. We here. So I'm gonna tell you the conversation

because Steve's style caused all of this. Okay, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about it, bro. It caused all of this. So me ish. Relax. I'm back. I am.

I love it. Ching bingling. Ching bingling. Let's do it. So now, boom. I love you. Ching-bing-a-ling. I got you. Ching-bing-a-ling. So now, boom. Meej, Rule, and Milk go to the system. Nas is there with Junk. Shout-out Junk, my nigga.

My brother, yeah. Shout-out Horse, my nigga. Shout-out Grand Wiz, my nigga. They all there. Nas got a cowboy hat on. I'm not going to tell it to the fullest extent because I don't have an okay from the other party. But we talked about it. I'm going to say that in a very diplomatic way. upset because I said how can the same person who looked out that window and Saw the whole 109th precinct out there trying to arrest me

Be the same person who's trying to assist in blackballing Because this bitch don't have on what you think she should have on no disrespect not to use the B word But I get it, but we don't know what he's talking about right now. Let's throw it out there. He described... People at Def Jam and people behind the firm got upset because when Foxy came to that video, Oh, okay.

he didn't get, oh, well, we have the Vera Wang dress here. Right, right, right. And we have the... The makeup here, the hair there. We have the Chloe this shit here, whatever the fuck it was that was out, right? Right.

She just came on a spontaneous, niggas called you, you showed up on some G shit. You didn't give a fuck if she was in that scene or not. Facts. But then somebody else put it in. Furthermore, she sits on my lap. Right. And the video comes out?

The video comes out. Where's the ticket? What video is this again? Wherever you at. Wherever you are. Wherever you are. Yeah, wherever you are. One of my biggest singles.

The video comes out. I thought Nothing Move was the money's biggest single. No? No, Nothing Move in terms of BDS. I'm so high as a fucking... Radio-wise, he's saying

it's ain't radio-wise. Which is radio. Radio. Nothing Move had the most spin. Right. Like, I'll never forget Rule being like, Fuck radio radio Like I'll never forget rule being like maybe you get like Mary J blood spins with nothing move And we'll had a clean a good a space Come on, nigga, I've been offering you this for the last half of the hour. Stop! We can't do that with the dukes, man. You gotta do this. I ain't gonna do that. I ain't gonna do that.

You guys look damn as pissed that Foxy doesn't look like they want her to look. They go over to, at the time, it was something called The Box. That's what it was about. It was about image. It was a channel called The Box. Yes, what it was about. It was a channel called The Box. Yes, yes, hey, bro. We're taking shots? No, this is Ace. So there was a channel called The Box that you could call in.

No, no, my homie was a program director. I can take a sip of that, though. You can't just salute me. I'm so sorry, bro. But you could call The Box. The program that the three- program The three digit video came on Apparently niggas from Def Jam and went to the box and said yo don't play Mike Geronimo's video Who said that this is gonna happen?

Totally that They were fucking with that Shit heavy Irv is the nigga Who told me that Irv was the one He told you what Who was like Yo niggas is trying to not play Which is a form of blackballing Right there That is blackballing And I'm not gonna say

Who Who the people were And I know for a fucking fact Bowling alley champ In your crib with the bowling alley I know who the fuck it was There's fat bowling alley champ in your crib with the bowling alley. I know who the fuck it was. There's a bowling alley champ?

Just my people. I know you know and I know he knows. And I'm going to leave it at that. You know, bro. You know if I know, I'll tell. It's okay.

I know you will. You still innocent about Leo Bones. I'm alright. Every shot that hits me was supposed to. You think it was Leo calls? Any shot that was supposed to? No, not him.

No, OK. Did he have a bowling alley? Leo actually made me, Leo. That's my friend. I'm never saying nothing. Glad it's not what's in. Leo made me feel on top of Leo. Todd Lascaris, no?

No, Todd. Todd was another good dude. Leo and Todd. I mean, there's so many bowling alleys. Somebody's crib, guys. Come on, and Todd. I mean, there's so many bowling and some of these crib guys. I remember Leo and Brian and Bill and my chest and me.

We're the crib. Let's stick to the story. Stick to the story. Silver 10. Let's find out that nigga's fucking is blackballing my next project.

Your second album. My second album. I was like, what? I don't trip at the box because Irv sends me to the box to kind of clean up to do damage control. Irv sends me to the box

to kind of be like, present yourself and they're going to like you so much because you're so much of an honest person that they're going to find a way. Even though the powers that be that keep the lights on, that pay the bills, told them, don't do it. Fast forward, we get to the club, I seen homie.

I said, yo bro, the only problem I have with you is you protecting me from the police from taking me in the cars. Who told you that? Nas. Oh. Oh. I said, the only problem I have with you. Wait, Nas was taking you in the car. Who are you talking about? Nas. Oh. So the only problem... Wait, Nas was taking you in the car?

I don't understand. Going back to the original story. Right, right. When I was young, Nas prevented police from arresting me in front of Colden Street. That's all right.

That's all right. Do you want the police to arrest you? No. I don't understand. All right. You ain't listening to the story. I definitely ain't listening. Let's go. So fast forward, we in the system't listen to the story. I definitely ain't listen.

Let's go. Let's go. So fast forward, we in the system. I said the only reason that we not at it, and I don't want to- This is system cam? Right. This is in the system club. I said the only reason we not roaming around right now is because you the same nigga that

kept me safe from police arresting me. So I don't understand if you the same nigga that kept police from arresting me, how can you be the same nigga that sits there and is okay with niggas that control the wheel saying black boy, his career? You know why? Because I'm not understanding what's going on. I understand what you're talking about.

So you're trying to say that Irv got a black ball in your career. Deliberately. And he purposely brought Nas in. I can't. No, no, no. I'm not saying he brought Nas in. I'm saying that the origin of the black ball came because Foxy Brown wasn't with the firm wanted her to be in my video. They relayed that shit to who was above them.

Are you mad? She didn't look... I'm not mad at Fox. I'm not mad at Fox, and I'm not mad at her. I'm at the video shoot, nigga. Wait, time out. Did you see what she had on? I did, but time out?

No. And that's my baby girl. It's like they say, come meet Mike Geronimo, but then when she got there, it's like, now get in the video. My point is, everyone was looking for an excuse because they viewed me as direct competition with Nas. I told you that earlier.

I'm getting back to your point. So when niggas think I'm not on the same highway behind you following your taillights, guess what the fuck? Nigga, I'm being behind you. I'm being five, you shit. So stop, stop, stop. To get my man to follow you,

you can smell him. When they did Belly, you see Nas' part? Oh man, he didn't even go under that. Hype Williams, that was his part. When he was on the bench smoking and all that. Mike filmed that with Hype first. When we shot Mass I.C. Because when we did the video for Mass I.C.,

Hype just came- That's just the M-I scene. No, the Mass the video for Master IC, Hype just came. That's just the M-I-C. No, it's the Master IC. No, Master IC. I'm so hot. So Hype just came back from doing Brandy's video. So let's tell them the whole story. All right.

No, it was Super Bowl Sunday. Okay. Hype just shot Usher's video. Usher, Usher, all right. All I do is think about you. All right. Hype called me in the crib. He's like, what you doing?

I said, I'm watching the Super Bowl. Giants are my favorite team. I'm watching the Super Bowl Giants my favorite team I'm watching the Giants play He's like yo we gonna film a video for I'm So Hot I said alright cool He's like yo where you at I was like I'm upstairs He's like come downstairs

I was like why He's like I'm downstairs When I came downstairs Jamaica No he was in Flushing Hype was in Flushing My nigga my block Hype was in Flushing Hype was in Flushing. Hype is in Flushing. My name is in Flushing. Hype from Flushing on the low?

No. No, he just popped up. He was in Jersey. He just popped up. He jacked all of Usher's equipment. Because you know when you film a video, you got an entire week. That's a lot of days to turn.

Yeah, you ready to quit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't turn the six wheelers in. He could use them. People do that at the house. He drove directly to my house on Colden Street with 318 wheeler trucks on a January day Freezing and that's pretty clear free that because of you or cuz I know thank you Earth takes that like I don't remember that.

Of course I remember that you told Hype to come film when I'm so high with no treatment. Wait, what'd you say? Who doesn't remember that? Irv. Doesn't remember what? Because Irv's excuse to the public, here's the last exchange I had with Irv on Instagram.

I haven't talked to Irv, the truth be told, in person in five years. Six years. The nigga Irv said, he was like, yo, Mike didn't believe in me. If I didn't fucking believe in you, how would you produce a musical suspect on album two? After you told me, signed the contract, then I should have made you. Let my nigga walk away.

I gotta go to the bathroom. Hey, nigga, I ain't never seen niggas. That was the illest bathroom break I ever seen on Dream Channel ever. I never saw him. I never saw him. He walked around the room. Imagine.

He walked around the room and talked to people and said, I gotta be. He walked up, swung his head. Hey, y'all niggas keep talking, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm all gonna piss. I ain't never peed four times in a row. It's called pee forever. That's right.

So you're not a bitch. Are you not a creep? What? You're not a creep. Oh, of course you're a kid. Yep, good job, mom. He's got business to do. Yo, what are you doing?

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Yo! Wipe it down! Oh, I got some of these! What's going on? We got no one in the seat! We got no one in the seat, bro! Oh my god! Those are good ones in the seats, bro! Yo!

Yo! Yo! Yo, let's do it! Let's do it in the seat! Yo, what the fuck is Hammer gonna be dead? Yo! It's so good that it looks. No, it looks!

Oh yo, he had a vibe, yo. Yo, so he's deep, bro. How? How did he even own it? Yo! Take it D, bro. How? How did he even over there? Yo. How was he even over there, bro? Mr. Lee, I'm trying to take him out. That's not right. Let's do a set.

He reported, I guess he reported. What about John? You and Dre, you gotta relax! You're gonna say that, really? You're a fucking maniac, dude! Pat, before you have a Duce, it didn't work out, man! You're not supposed to let it go! I need more beer! Alright, that's it.

Oh, it's cold in here, bro. Alright. Let's go, bro. That's it, man. Oh This dude on camera. Oh, they driving. They driving. I know, they driving. Where was he? I still see him. You look like a little shit. You want to know who I am? You don't look like Capone from Greenfish right now. You just look like...

You know Capone? He wants to get out, man. He wants to get out. I love Boris Quint. He wants to get out. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small.

I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm not fucking small. I'm to get out. I'm not focused bro. Come on, give the Gringo a good shake.

Come on bro, hook up Capone. Give the Gringo a good shake. Capone is not really good about sorrows. I'm sorry. No, bro. No. Come on. Come on. Coda's not feeling good about his service. Thank you, bro. Save your time, man. No, bro. No, bro.

No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro.

No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, bro. No, that. It's family. I'm going to do that. So...

I don't know. I want to do... I want to set this off. The next segment. Yeah, set it off. When everybody's ready to rock and roll. We're ready to rock and roll. I don't think Jesus Casas

will be the first question. I'm ready. I don't think G-Sex Casas will win this special. You know what, Chico? No matter what, it's a what? Yeah, it's nothing. Y'all ready to be recording? We good? Yeah, yeah, chill, chill, Flush. Come on, man.

I don't like all that, man. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Come on, man. It's not that protection shit. I'm sorry. Look, guys, guys. Guys, real quick. Real quick.

My friends. Listen. How's that smell? Are you high enough? I'm good now. I feel like a grown man. I went from a little boy to a grown man. I feel better. Yo, my Gs, check this out.

As the Miami DJ guy that has nothing to do with all this Queens chemistry going on right here, I just want to tell you guys right here, I feel honored because you guys are a part of a legacy of an underground movement in hip-hop that you guys did like you guys in the majority right here that started that movement yeah I'm saying like cats in Miami were peeping game la la comes out it's just real comes out bro flush comes out like you guys are part of this movement that That moves hip hop in a certain direction That cats in Miami are peeping game That's crazy

And real quick And I want to tell you something When your cover came out With the grills Cats in Miami were peeping game Because we were wearing grills down here And we was like Is he from Carol City?

Let me find out He's going to the party From South Jamaica, Carol City I don't find out. He's going to be familiar with it. Get the work out. From South Jamaica, Carol City. I feel like I said, shout out Oomph. Shout out Coach. Shout out Steve White. Oomph.

That's what you said, Oomph, from back in the day. That's what you talking about from out here? No, from out here. Oh, my gosh. I know. When we came out here, my nigga, and we checked in with him. I think you're talking about not checking in. I love to check in.

When we checked in with him, my nigga, I was so comfortable. Yeah. We said this a little faster than you. So beautiful. I love to check in. When we checked in with him, my nigga, I was so comfortable. Yeah, we finished the whole band today. So beautiful, so comfortable, so beautiful. I respect, definitely love Miami. He made Miami comfortable for me in my head. You know, came out with a Christian album. You came out with a Christian album? You really gonna believe him?

I think he came out. I kinda do. Let me find out about a Christian album? You really gonna believe that? I kinda do! Let me find out about this Christian album. You had a Christian album? Did you hit me with the joint though? No, that's the shit I've been doing. You hit me with the whole book. I'm fucking serious. Can you tell me about your Christian album?

You lying. I don't have a Christian album. I don't got T.D. lying. I don't get Christian. I don't got T.D.J. I got D.T.J. You got an album with a Christian in it, don't curse. Stop playing.

Stop playing. Stop playing. Stop playing. Wait, this is too much. We didn you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you.

I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you.

I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. You can't reverse it, we did that with y'all already. We already had y'all analyze the same way.

It's too late. No, but you came up, and you and dad are coming up with an album. Come on, let's talk about it. Me and my man, Lot, got a, you know, he put out... Lot, he don't curse. No, he don't curse. He's Christian. I'm not a good Christian.

I mean, he could be a Christian, but... You know we're all cursed, Christian. Or Muslim. Which one is it? He just Christmas. God, Kim didn't curse. I mean he could be a Christian but You don't have to wear on curses Yo Jesus Christmas God can't be a curse He's got a body He's got a body

My man is smart If I listen to Pitiful Album I won't hear a curse There's no curses There's no curses No cigarettes And no cigarettes But it to Mr. Lee. But it's luminous, I was putting it to the side. You can't do it any fucking way.

Be careful, because Mr. Lee will fly down on you. Like a Dominican fucking antichrist. Dominican pigeon. I'm opening up a little restaurant. I'm way out in the streets. I'm living good with my life. Life switched up. I'm a grown man now, 45, love my kids. 45 is a great age. So no more cocaine cigarettes?

Nah, nah, nah. I'm not talking about, oh, I didn't finish. He knows what I used to sell, that's not what I did. It's a different story, it's a different story. Who got you flying back? I get it. Unless you guys start from somewhere to get to somewhere.

There's somewhere. So I'm here. So I'm comfortable with myself. Goddamn, make some noise for Roy. He's Cuban, B! He's Cuban, B! Yes, Cuban, B! Before I knew school, I knew coke. But listen, I've heard from both names. I don't know why I'm gonna put some Cuban names in the corner.

He says Cuban, B. He knew school and cocaine. That's not Cuban, B. Alright, guys. We'll take that, boys. School and cocaine. That's not Cuban. Alright guys. We'll take that, brother. School and cocaine. Yo, but Paul, I'm sorry. What the fuck was you talking about? The Christian. The Christian?

You got the Christian nigga. So North Sea-er. Pope John Paul Capone. I gotta end my brother with this, man. You living? No, I'm fucking with you. But you got that and the West Coast Gangbanger. Man, you got a Christian and a gangbanging album?

It's a double CD. This is the WT. Let's go, purgatory. Purgatory. Yeah, but, man. But you do got a CD with me and on curse. And you got a CD with you that would kill Ship Knight. Only Capone would be this good at it.

Stop. Stop. Don't let him do that. That was so bad. He's not even gonna be game for this game. He got a CD with me and on curse. No, that's not the that. That was a good thing. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that.

He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that.

He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that.

He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not doing that. He's not the Cuban side of you. So listen, listen. My Cuban mother has a sister named Rena that fucks with, that fucks with, his name is Mr. Holly. This is a long story. Listen, Mr. Holly. We never believed y'all was real cousins. Oh, Mr. Holly. Holly. Well, you know, they were cousins. They are real cousins.

Yeah, it took me 20 years to believe it. Which makes us first cousins. 23andMe is not just telling you if he's Cuban or not, though. He ain't Cuban, nigga. Oh, you Cuban, B! You Cuban! Oh, shit! Yo, we're Cuban!

Yo, we are Cuban! Yo, we're Cuban! Yo, we're Cuban! Oh, shit! Yo, we're Cuban! Time out! Time out! Hold up! Hold up!

Hold up! I know, I'm saying he definitely not Cuban. You're not Cuban? Get the fuck outta here! You just didn't want me to start. I thought you loved me, man! I know you, but you're not Cuban. Get outta here. What's up, I was hastin', I was claimin'.

We in Poon, we been of here, get out of here. So if I was Haitian I was queer. Me and Paul, we've been friends forever. His mom loved me, she was the first person I was Muslim with, she tried to feed me pork. But it was a time when we were not human. You guys sidebars are hilarious. You see Paul green couches in his crib. I slept in my bedroom. Green couches with a green carpet. I ain in my bedroom. That was my bed room.

I ain't gonna lie. You go to the whole crib, it felt like Queen's Bridge. Until you get inside. He had a wash and a dryer. Right on the first floor. First floor, he had a wash and a dryer. Green carpet and green couches. You had a wash and a dryer?

Yes! You had a wash and a dryer? Yes, he had a wash and dryer. Yo. Yo, you was lit, man. You was lit, man. Yo, it's fine. You should have a wash and dryer. No, let's keep it real quick. You should have a wash and dryer. You don't know why you have to sit through the process. Look at you.

Because no one has a wash and dryer. Who had a fucking wash? I looked, I said, holy shit. That's true. I'm sorry, sir. You had it made, sir. Yes, yes, yes, sir. It's pretty great. Am I lying flush?

No, no, no, no, no. Why you asking him, man? Why you asking him? Why you asking him? I didn't think about it. But he really had to wash and dry. Because I wash my clothes, because we share the same clothes. How'd you get a washing line? That's how tight we are family. Damn, y'all was the same size back then? Yeah. I wash my clothes to us. Oh yeah. But let's be clear, a lot of niggas from Flushing

wasn't coming through Queensbridge at that time. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. But you said Queensbridge, but left. No, no, no. I'm just, no, I want to keep it here, bro. Yeah, bring it back to Capone. To Capone.

Because like, I ain't gonna lie, niggas from other sides of Queens wasn't going to Queens Bridge at that time. Now, was you going to Queens Bridge because you had family there or you just going to Queens Bridge because you just said, fuck it? I just said, fuck it. All right, cool. They got loose cracks out there. He was part of the...

But Flush was the originator of niggas coming to Queensbridge from other areas. Thank you, we're from Queens. We've been from Queens. Hey! Hey! Hey! You know, baby, y'all came to Wasteland, that was the first time I met y'all. But I never forget the day I met y'all.

My name is Amel. My name is Amel. The name Flesh. When I came to Queensbridge, it was other Amels. But I was from Flushing. i was from flushing so please said your name is flush because you're from flushing so that name is coming that's where you came in hey he's doing b by the way did you ever sell those cracks so i'm beyond i mean i had a whole crew nice black i I mean I was

Queen's Chris cracks they say she's there loose Can I buy 12 And I would bring three out of those ones to end. That's why the niggas just look like Popeyes. Look at Paul M right there. Look at this shit. Look at this shit. I got to look at you. There's the whole loose crack.

He got his shit polished right now. He ain't helping. He ain't helping. He got tattoos and all that. Look. Look at this. This is flush in my life. Flush in my life.

This is old loose crack. Nothing to do with it right now. The niggas' hands and this shit is like pop pop. Because they was high as hell. Holy shit. But there was so much competition that they had to do it, my nigga. There was 70 niggas on one block and everybody

was funny, my nigga. Yeah, nigga ain't want to bang it up in the box. They just got it in your head. That's it, nigga. That's it. I chop it right in my hand with the razor. That's a little cracker. Give me a Jim Charles.

Right on the head. You busted a whole slug down on the head. Yo, you sold me the C-Rock Flux? Yes, you did. New York. Man. You sold no C-Rock. No, I didn't want to tell you it was coke, nigga.

You my man. Why you, I don't know. You just sold it to me. Don't get that fucked up. No, I didn't New York. Man. So I didn't want to tell you it was coke, nigga. You my man. Why you? You can show it to me. Don't get that fucked up. No, I didn't say that. I didn't tell you what the fuck that was. You didn't know. You didn't say we didn't work, did you? Nah. We got to fucking tell it up. I used to watch you sell people cheap, bro.

You got a Indiana Coke hat on. I never really fucked with you like that. Nigga. I didn't tell you what it was. I fucking told you. Oh, look at that. Flushin' in the middle makes some noise! Look at how you can handle that.

Cause Flush was always a nigga that would make something out of... Like, I swear to God on some real shit, them days when I did not have an answer, and I was like, yo, all this shit is crazy, Flush would make something happen out of nothing. And that's what happened back when you was hustling. I got that from Pone though. Hush will sell people shit.

Pone got that from me. That may be okay with him. Let's just make some noise for me. Hey, you miss, hey you miss. I was like, dude. I was like, you know what? As Pone being my cousin, his, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, like, yo, wait a minute. Wow. You trying to match your gun with your socks? Cause we going out with hammers in this time. How does it take you to this low home? Oh no, listen.

He got the orange, he got the orange little, he got the orange Tommy Hilfiger sleeve. Aren't they the worst thing in the world? That matched his drawers and his socks. Right. But nobody else seen his drawers and his socks. So I'm like, why you took two hours to match your bra's and your socks?

He's like, I'm going to take something down. I said, OK. This is a mystery that I've never heard. Yeah, there's no horniest niggas you know? Just to be clear. This nigga here. Horny nigga. Horny, yeah.

Horny nigga. But aside from that, it's right. Aside from that. Horny nigga. Horny, yeah. Horny nigga. But aside from that, if you told him to get ready and be ready by 12. Oh yeah, yeah. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12.

He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12.

He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. He'd be ready by 12. correlation with everything. Look, look, look. It's like a little man with the red. All that shit takes 15 hours. And the promoter's like, what the fuck is up? All right, I'm good. I know you're gonna sit and applause me. I'm all right. I said it's all right. It's a family thing.

But now I'm clear on it. Yeah, now it's clear. It's like so much'm clear on it. Yeah, that's right. So much being clear on it. So you ever thought about trying to make it right with Herb, or did you ever think about- Can we not make it right here on Dream Team? No, no, no, this is what I want to reiterate, like I said. I love Herb, no matter what we've been through,

because like I said, what we did changed so many lives outside of ourselves. What is this? People don't understand, bro. I would be at home and I would see DMX doing the World Show. Or I would see Jay doing the Grammys. Or I would see whatever. And that's enough for me. Because I know all this shit

originated from Shits Real. I don't have to be outside doing this shit. My niggas is taking over the world. So let's be clear. You're claiming that if Shits Real wasn't came out, there wouldn't be a...

I'm not saying that. I'm sure you could steal my drug. Let me be very clear. I need you be very clear. Jay-Z and Ja Rule and DMX who have so much of talents that no matter where they would have fell, no matter who they would have fell under, and no matter what time they would have fell,

they would have changed the world. That's how great their talent is. That's how I feel about Pharrell. But at the same token, let's not create history without him. I helped the brother get there. I didn't feel that way. You didn't feel... No, I did not.

I don't need no acknowledgement for that. I was just the bridge that whatever it was that's bigger than all of us chose at that time. But it's not to say that because I'm the bridge that's chosen, I'm greater than anything. I don't wanna say you're greater, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I deserve your props for putting the A's and B's together. But you know what, I go on some real shit.

We was just talking about this in the car coming up here. It's very hard for me to accept a compliment. And it's very hard for me to accept a compliment. And it's very hard for me to accept being something great. And I don't know where that came from, though. I don't know why it's hard for me to get myself ready. Is that why when I do interviews and I be like, nigga, hanging out with Mike was like being with Nas.

My life was comfortable. Being with you at one point, you know? I be like, nigga, hanging out with Mike was like being with Nas. My life was comfortable. Like, being with you at one point, you know, I like it, nigga. I'm very flush to this day. You know what I mean?

He said, I'm already flush. You know what, Mike? And you know, pretty much every time y'all went back and forth tonight, I agree with you,

but when he just said that, I really want you to understand. I said that in the intro. You even looked at me. You changed the course of Queens at one point. It was Nas, and we thought that was it. We had a great run. The bridge is over. It was all that.

And then the natural came out. Shit is real came out we felt we felt established again You have to feel like that You have to go we don't make you feel like that today I'm in, let's go! Mama Julio! I'm trying Mama Julio. She says every minute might never be a minute. My mama will rub my damn hands. Ho ho ho! That's funny.

Right there, that's funny. You gotta talk, please. When I would see you and him, and I remember all four of us being in the lobby of the Auburn. And I remember the day you had on a polo hat like a bucket

and you was in the lobby too and I didn't even know y'all niggas spit. But I remember the joy I felt when I figured out who CNN was, this thing that I'm hearing about, and who the niggas are on CNN. Thank you, brother. I kept hearing about CNN, CNN, CNN, and I was like, who the fuck is a fucking CNN?

I've never seen this one. And you in particular that day, I remember. Because I remember when I met you, I was like, yo, this nigga is a big ball of energy. Let's get you a shot. We didn't shout it. And you so much of a big ball of energy, the world ain't going to be able to stop that energy. Come on, shout it.

No, no, no, that's not your shot. That's Ace. That's Ace. Put your Ace down. Shout it to Duce. Duce, there you go. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. We got you. That's Ace. Put your Ace down. Shout out to Dusay. Dusay, there you go. Beautiful, Dusay!

We got another one, Dusay. Hey! So I remember the day we all met, and I was like, yo. And you told me that. You actually told me. It was you and this nigga in the lobby. It was all of us wasteland niggas, but y'all came over for something. I think he told you, Cremor. And youeland niggas, but y'all came over for something. I think he told you, come on. And you was telling me, yo, y'all signed a deal.

Y'all was getting ready to do X, Y, and Z. And I kept it in the back of, and I remember the day that I saw your video and I was like, okay. LA, LA? You want me to take you? No, it was before LA, LA. No, we only got LA, LA.

Oh, I said in Boone, that was it. Yeah, LA, LA. Let me just tell you something, I'm, I said in Boone, that was it. Yeah, LA LA. Let me just tell you something. I'm just being honest with you. This is what they told me when LA LA came out. It's that they Mike Geronimo'd you. What? This is awesome.

I saw some left rack. The whole video was in Queensbridge. I had no props to tell them to move into left rack. And they was like, I was synonymous with like, No, no, no, no, you ain't be saying that. You ain't be saying that. Yes, he was synonymous with that.

Because that's what Prodigy did. Then you kind of did it, and it was like I was the third nigga. And it was like I was on the rooftop of Queens, Virginia. If you look at that, I had the twist. I had the gold fronts on. I really didn't want to be there at all. But it's not that I didn't want to be there. It's that I wanted to represent Vermont because I just felt like there were so many people

being, you know, repping a place that they wasn't from. Like I used to go back to Left back this but please bridge as we shoot I let I let trash gasp. I'm thinking we'll do the part that right and I was just like nah, man I kind of do a part. He was like, yeah, I'm gonna do the part in Left Rack. And I was just like, nah, man, I can't do a part in Left Rack. I just can't, this is not who I am. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm from Left Rack. I'm from 97-3057, I have a apartment 5E.

Home in New York, 11368, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is who I am. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, so when I did the LA, LA video and L.A. video, I was like... Wait, so wait, but you killing me right now? Yeah, you was the first one. So my... No, it was Prodigy the first one.

My self is saying... Wait, so you were like the poster boy for... They'll just take you and make you from anywhere in Queens. No, it was Prodigy first. Okay. And then you was second. I mean, that's what they say. I appreciate you for being the first.

But you were the second. I didn't want to be the third. So I'm the second. I was the third. You were the third and you changed it after that. Do you know how many times I said Iraq and war report after that? Right, look. It's like 37,000 times. Do you know how many times I said Iraq and war report after that? Right!

It's like 3700 thousand times! But y'all was doing it because I started before you. Iraq is Iraq. No, I didn't know any of these niggas didn't think I was from Queensbridge. Because I was not. This was one of my best friends. And he was from Queensbridge and the Queensbridge militia was so hot at the time but it was great but I didn't care. I didn't care. I knew what I was supposed to do.

Anybody here when you know he came out you thought he was from Queensbridge? You didn't think I was? No, stop, stop, stop, stop. You think I was? No, he can't answer that. He can't answer that. He can't answer that. He's just saying people that know him. I know what he's saying.

There's no way he's fine. Relax. Chill. Chill. Chill. Relax. Relax. No, no, no.

No way, nigga. Come on. LA, LA. LA, stop. Stop. Stop. LA, LA. He's right, though.

He's right. My first impression. He's right. He's right. LA, LA. He's right. All right. All right.

LA, LA. LA, LA. LA, LA. LA, LA. It was my idea. He's right. All right. L-L-L-A. It was my idea. Not to say that I put it together. No, no, no. Chill. Hold on.

Let's say it put together. I was with my man Chaz. Chaz. Capone knows who Chaz is. Poochie and Alice know who Chaz is. And I stood outside of Chaz played me New York, New York. Big city of dreams. He said,

I can't tell if they dissing us. And I said, Chaz was on something called a DJ list. DJ list, you get it two months in advance. That's the people that they believe in you.

So anyway, I go to Queens Bridge to Capone's house. Let's be clear. I to Queens Bridge to Capone's house. Let's be clear. I go to Queens with Capone's house. Trash, big up Trash. Trash calls Mom Deep at the time and says, yo, we're doing a

bad boy mixtape. This is when the mixtape shit was so puke. That's when P.I. Oh, I got this. I got this. I got this. Listen, listen, listen. So we got the bad boy mixtape, the Stretch Armstrong.

Trash does call. I ain't gonna lie. I don't know who he call. But we all wind up in Stretch Armstrong's spot. They say, yo, what we gonna do? Whatever, whatever. I say, yo, my man Chaz just played me New York, New York.

Let's see. So he pulled it up. None of us think that they going at us. Let's be clear. Homeless, we're not like, homeless, not sitting there. None of us think it. But we also like, fuck it.

Let's just have a response. We trying to get on. We trying to get on. that's what we're doing. Listen, listen, listen. So we just saying, let's just have a response. Just in case. So we all recorded our verse. And Poe, you stop me if I'm lying at any point, bro.

I take my shoes off because that's how good I feel about it. We lay everything. The shit comes out. The only person that actually said anything remotely about L.A. was Prodigy. God bless him. Rest in peace. But he said, JFK on our way to L.A. If you don't remember what the verse in this, he said, NYC, UNI versus supremacy.

Habakkuk beat Queens, nigga, so it seemed to be mega. Got word back from Noriega. And he said, JFK on our way to L.A. By the way, I didn't know how he knew who my name was. I had never met P at that time. I met Prodigy. I met Albert. I never met Prodigy at the time.

So that didn't know. He was told then what we were doing. Am I lying, Paul? Listen, come on. This is just in case niggas can see my face. I got it. Don't worry. I'll cut you off.

Calm down. I'll cut you off. I'll cut you off. Come on. We're all learning. We're all learning. We're all learning right now. Calm down. Yo, this is amazing. So. We're all learning right now. We're all learning right now. We're all learning right now. Yo, this is amazing.

So, I'll take another shot. So... I think it's the one on the guy. Damn, I can't. I don't wear that. So, the shit drops. The shit drops. The shit drops. Everybody is saying, everybody is saying,

New York niggas went at them. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, okay. Calm down, we got a system here. Okay. All right. So, um, so they ever say, look at all these niggas went at these niggas, right?

Mm-hmm. We don't know. Okay, hold on, Let me calm down. Wait, was he the first shot? It was the only shot because he said, JFK on our way to LA. So, here's that.

That was before he did Worldwide. No, chest. Keep going, keep going. Chest, chest over here. I'm going to lay it all out. Lay it out. I'm going to lay it all out for you. He's laid out.

Pone is right here, right? So we all lay our verses. We don't really understand what's going on. Me and Pone goes to the tunnel. That night, we go to Biggie. You tell me if I'm lying. We go to Biggie, we say, yo, we went back at these niggas. Biggie said, went back at who? Yeah, yeah, I believe that.

We said, we went back at, you know, just the West Coast dudes. He said, well, I ain't cosigning that. We said, yo, we did it for the bad boy Minstay. He looks at us to our face, tell me if I'm lying. He said, well, I'm not going to use it. At the time I was a kid, 18 years old. Biggie's bum. I don't understand that he understands at that time how powerful he is.

So we submitted this to Stress Armstrong. They never used it. Am I lying? Yeah. It wasn't so much Biggie Cole. He just said some crazy shit. OK. No, it wasn't the mixtape.

Because that means that I'm your PR. I'm sorry, bro. That shit never made it, bro. It never made it. It didn't make the mixtape. No, but that was everybody's breakout song mixtape. That was the Lox Niggas done started song. Right.

That was, I think that was Black Rob. Who else was on that mixtape? Everybody that was, everybody was on that. 96. We were on that mixtape. That was 96. They chucked us. They chucked us.

You ain't on. So hold on. So hold on. 96, 95. They chucked us. Stretch Armstrong, you forgive me if 96, 95. They took us. Stretch Armstrong, you forgive me if I'm wrong, I might have this fax. And he'll call us.

Stretch Armstrong said, fuck that. I know this record is a hit. He white labelled me. He went to his pops and got a loan. I have the white label. He went to his pops and got a loan. This is my opinion. He went to his pops and got a loan.

That's why he's in the documentary. Hold on, let's finish, Mike. It's all time. So, the shit drops. We chopped off the bad boy too. We're so stoked. We call Maude.

This is our time to be on the bad boy. And we call Maude. This is the big homies of the time. Right. We call them to come to the studio and they reject our record! He got loud earlier so I had to get loud. Alright. But wait, but wait. I didn't reject the record. Because you didn't tell me you were going to reject the record, bitch.

You just kept me in my eyes. But not after the white labeling. No, this is prior to it. No, this is before the white labeling. I told Big. He's telling the white label. I told Big. I said, yo, listen, I'm going to back at these guys to hold us down in New York.

After they already recorded with you, though. Was it my mind? No, this is prior. I told him this is what we're going to do. And Big said, I thought it was bullshit. Oh, Big, okay. Big Smalls was like, nah, I'm not going to use that shit. And we went in and we did it anyway.

That's my man Chaz. Wait, did you tell him the cocaine story? Oh, let's go with the cocaine story. I'm in. Hold on, hold on. We can't leave this story and go to combat. Time out, time out. All right, hold on. So let me leave this story and go to combat. Time out, time out.

Let me finish. Holy shit. Yes. Yes. Sorry. I'm just using an escape gun. This is can of Coca-Cola. Coke and cocaine is close.

We went to stress shit. Stress goes, yo. And stress is our man. We go all this shit. And he says, yo, what do you guys want to do? Traz did call the mob there. Let's give Traz some respect. So we stood there.

But wait, can I ask you a quick question? Yes, please. Real quick question for both you guys. Is it a Mobb Deep record or is it a CNN record? I want to know that. What you mean, what, LLH? Yes, yes, it's a CNN record. No, but wait, wait, because the way it was projected to DJs,

because we couldn't play it. But the way we got it, the way it spread, the way it spread was it's a Mobb. DJ Perspectives but the same Thing was you know, what was your answer? Give me this simple simple. It's become't clear the sample. But who was it? Whose record was it? That was our record. CNSR record. That was our record. CNSR record. That was our record. Right? Like, let's be clear.

You know the white label said Mobb Deep. This was our idea. Not even just our record. That was the third record. But you gotta understand. I had the first one. You gotta understand. In case of you, you said it to me. No, no, no. This was clearly...

Listen. This was clearly, listen. This was clearly, listen. This was clearly happening, right? This was clearly happening. You had, no, no. No, listen. You had DJs who would take the record, they'd be like, who you got on the record?

Capone, Noriega, Maude Deep. All they're gonna hear is Maude Deep. So when they play the record, they gonna be like, new Maude Deep, featuring Capone, Rieger. But it can be the other way around. But naturally, because Maude is where they at, they just gonna say new Maude.

You recorded it and put it out. Whose record is it? That was us. Our record. That was it. Our record. Our record. I love this question, by the way.

But it was a stretcher on shore who called us. So it was a DJ that constructed the record? Always. I'm asking seriously. I'm not saying I'm not such a stretch. I'm just saying, you know, like if I put you guys together and did a freestyle, it would've been like that. I told you my man Chaz played me New York, New York.

When we got to the studio. It was, the place you played me. I can't believe, I can't believe, hold on, hold on. I can't believe. hold on, hold on. I can't believe. The Havoc is, Havoc is grown across the street from Capone. So Capone don't give a fuck that Havoc's in the studio. Like me, I'm looking, I'm like, all right, cool,

I got damn, I got Havoc, Pone. I look at these niggas in jail. I know Albert, but I know him as Albert. I know him as a different way. So I'm looking, all right, cool, all right, cool. But we here. So we have nothing to pull up. And I say, yo, can y'all pull up New York, New York? And then they pulled it up.

And when they pulled it up, we couldn't tell if they dissed us or not. So all we did was make a response record. None of those verses was dissing LA. Other than the fact that y'all were dissing the lane. The video was dissing LA. The lingo. The lingo was the part that really got people's attention.

I got to go back. I got to go back. I think you guys are worse. I'm going to tell you why. Because whatever y'all did, unbeknownst to you, we was covering you by default. We was covering Big by default.

No, no, but that's another story. That's another, we'll get into that. That is the story. But once y'all moved, just because of you and him, through him, it didn't matter how I felt. Because he did worldwide, and when he did worldwide, I never forget the day I heard the record. I was like, yo, I could...

I swear to God, I was like, yo, why don't you come to my house right now, bro? Just you, don't bring Rudy. Yeah, yeah. Just you and the Rudy, man. I think your inspiration to me was to try to do something different, like... No, you lied. You were fucking lying.

I'm gonna talk about... I talked about big. No, you wanted it. I remember that. I'm good. You wanted it and you fucking lied. Own up to it. Once y'all did what you did, he kicked in. I said I wasn't shit on the big. Once y'all did what you did, he kicked in. He was waiting for it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He took it further.

He took it further. He took it further. But what I know about fucking with Doc Holliday, figuratively speaking, is... Doc Holliday is the DJ. Right. Once Doc Holliday fires his shot off, what I'ma do is wire it up. No matter what I feel, I'ma follow his shot. I don't care if it's right or wrong, if he was in the right for doing it, he laid it out there. You remember when we was down here

and we seen the door pound niggas? After you walked in the door. How could I be down? No, we was down here. How could I be down? I seen this shit from the truck. He on the walk, right? Yeah, listen. He on the walk. You was down here with the other team.

You had a busload of niggas and I kind of was... That was during one of the conventions. Right. I wasn't upset at Bleak. this is something else that came up on the show i wasn't mad at bleak because from what bleak recalls from the story when he told it on drink champ He said, yo, I had to hide Mike in trash. That's not what happened. And this is all going on simultaneously with you and you choosing to be the forefront of the response. No other niggas in New York wanted to touch that shit

with a 10-foot fucking pole. And this is where I give you two credit. You niggas had fucking balls. I'm gonna tell you an interesting story involving Daz and Karras down here. Y'all shoot off fucking New York LA. Y'all shoot that off. And then he comes back with Worldwide. And when Flush does Worldwide, the umbrella starts telling me this is not a good thing. What do you want, bro? So Flush does Worldwide and Flush is direct.

And it was an incident that occurred at TVT with Big. Is that what made you do Worldwide? Wait, wait, wait. Wait, an incident at TVT with Big? With B.I.G. Wait a minute. I've never heard this. Wait, wait, wait.

Let's talk about it. No one ever heard this. Yeah, we used to hear it. At Flush, got me. All right. Big came up to TVT one day, and Big was far from them, too. Oh! Sorry.

Don't double up. We know the difference. That wasn't it. Big was far with them too. Oh! Sorry, don't, don't, don't blow up. We good, we good. We know the difference. We good, we good. That wasn't it. We good. Y'all Eagles got someone here, Wakanda, y'all been wildin'.

We all right. Everybody out there, Queens, we're just with Chanel bags. They out there wildin'. They just famous. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you just call Queens, we're just Wakanda? Queens, we're just a little Wakanda right now.

It's a little Wakanda. Go get that. No, no, no, don't pour two glasses. No, that's him. You know what I'm saying? Hold on, he can't. Hold on, did he just go out EFN? EFN don't give him a raise?

I don't do it. I drinkin' that beer, guy. Cheers. I'm talking to all the people from each other. Come on, let's just team up to the left. I'm telling you the whole truth. Come on, let's listen to him. The TVT won this. They came with TVT. I'm sorry. Come on, there's that good shit.

Stop me if I'm telling the lie. They came with the TVT. Keep it going. They came up the TVT when he had the red band. He had the red band's convertible. Because I remember looking at the shit through the window from tvt he's trying to get someone signed to tvt no i don't know why he was there to this day i don't know why he was

there you still don't know this so that's that part's a mystery and mystery i remember looking out the window and he was in two twins the with the wavy long hair that was kind of... Jesus Christ. Twins, twins, twins. I definitely don't. You don't? One more chance. He said, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chicken in the Get Money video.

He was like, boom, wavy hair. You haven't seen all these people. And they were both twins. They had a red convertible Benz. He comes up to TVT. I don't know what the nature of the visit is, which already was strange to me.

I don't even know why he's there. Me and Flush is in the lobby. Mind you, like I said, me and Big got off to a great fucking start. I'll never forget it. The nigga Big had a Coca-Cola can in his right hand. And he was in the front desk of TVT

and he seen me come out and the nigga took the Coca-Cola can and put it in his left hand on some purpose shit. I'm lying? No, I'm dead. And the nigga was like, you know, it's a, but it was different.

You gave him the Coca-Cola can? No. You put the Coca-Cola can... You shake the nigga's hand with your right hand. He took the Coca-Cola in the right hand. He took the Coca-Cola can and put it in his hand. And shook it with the left. So...

You're just a boy. You're not bad enough to compete with the champ. And I looked at him. You're not competing with Coca-Cola not bad enough to compete with the challenges. You're not competing with Coca-Cola, I'm not getting it. I kinda looked at Flush to double check, like, who the hell knows if I'm walking around. Like, is this nigga doing some... Sideway shit. I know I fly off the handle, I know I'm an emotional dude, I know I'm not...

Street is everybody says I should be. Am I calling this right? The nigga Flush looks at me and like, like, yo, that's disrespectful. And this is on the hinge of the, but he shitted on him in worldwide. He just wasn't bad enough. Flush was disembigged in World War I. Unbaked. Flush was disembigged. He got some hoes shot you.

And I'm going to say it on camera. I was pissed at him. Because everything that we do, it's not like me and him wouldn't talk about it. And I would always tell him him same shit BJ told me. You shoot, I grab the wheel. I don't have no other choice. You my brother. So when he did Worldwide,

he totally did it on some... It wasn't no other way for me to do it. But Biggie was in L.A. I just let Biggie know from New York. You let me step on that. Now, mind you. Wait, time out.

Okay. Time out. This is when all of this is going on. So, I don't know if you niggas understood. We by default, we was your second line of defense. Like, in the event that them niggas would would have wanted to turn it up keep your mind on queens with the facts he was telling you like yo don't with you left off you talk about them i'm gonna talk about these and i'm upset with him because i'm like yo bro i with

everyone and you didn't forewarn me so now when when I see niggas, now I gotta be one. I gotta be ready to fucking pop. You got to be black, man. You got to be black, man. Hey yo, listen, we're having a great time. We do part two. Got my family here. It's an old Queens thing.

Me and you is like a group. And them two is a group. Nah, it's all good. I like saying I'm good spectating. It's kind of crazy good. I like saying awesome. I'm good spectating. It's kind of crazy, bro. I like it. Without us talking to each other, we all kept each other back four queens.

We tell our story a lot, man, but nobody really get to hear Mike's story a lot. You know what I'm saying? No, y'all go fight. Y'all go fight. Y'all go fight. Y'all go fight. No, but awesome real shit.

So when he did Worldwide, I kind of felt like it was crazy I'm out of my mind. LA was rolling 60s. So when I would go to LA, with the first trip I ever took to LA, outside of New York City, bro, when it was me, Craig Mack, and Biggie Smalls. Damn. And we met the other Biggie Smalls. The nigga who filed the lawsuit that made him change his name to Notorious B.I.G.

Nigga, this nigga's this tall. I kid you not. This nigga's this tall and showed up at a club in LA with a gang of niggas. And the nigga was like, oh, I never finished the story about fucking, the club, the other club where Pac rolled up. I'm going to get back to that one because that was real shit.

Boom. So we go out on tour with these niggas and this is why he did Worldwide. Give me that shit. And the funniest shit was I noticed they never said a word. And I kept waiting while I was on that tour for them to say something about Rommel. And I kept saying to myself, yo, the minute that these niggas say some disparaging shit about Rommel Gervonta, I'm picking up whatever I have near me, I'm gonna let niggas know don't say nothing about my brother bro. Yeah. And he made the choice he made and I can't take that back. I'm still going on tour. I wasn't scared of shit. I ain't giving a fuck.

But you wasn't in LA with us feeling the repercussions of your record and his dad's when we in front of the Shel boom. You forget that night? What? When y'all left? Oh, when I was with Dad's right now. When all them niggas, when all the Zopal niggas came. When we went to the club and they jumped us?

No, not when the nigga hit me with the pistol. Jumped y'all on Zopal? No, we went to some club, niggas, I picked my cup nigga, he was knocked out, took my nigga home. That's another story with Zopal.. That's a picture you see with him, Jay-Z and Bingey. That was that day.

No, we keep everything in perspective. He already opted to join y'all and nobody's going to talk about my city and about flattening buildings and I'm gonna be okay with it.

You niggas were the only niggas with enough courage to confront niggas who was like, yo, your city means shit. I don't give a fuck how nobody slices it. You and you did that. And then after you did that, he did worldwide. And it was crazy for me as a person because, like I said, I was always 550 with everybody, bro. I was always cool with everybody, but I already knew if he picked this lane and y'all asserted that lane, I left you. Very hectic.

One day, me and this nigga is in front of the shelter. I love the shelter. It's right there. I'm there right now tonight. Gaz and Corrupt come out. Oh, my. This is after you did L.A.L.A. and this is in the midst of him doing Worldwide. Mm-hmm. And I never met them door pound niggas

a day in my motherfucking life, bro. You hear where this goes? This was the, I'ma tell you exactly when this was. Remember when old Dirty got into trouble in the club on the beach? Mm-hmm. We was down there, that was it. We had a bus full of Militain niggas. No, that's definitely a different year.

Okay. I was a chamber, okay. Right. You had a bus full of Militain niggas on Miami Beach. That's the last night. We'll get back to them. That was 99. Boom.

Me and this niggas in the club, and I tell this nigga, I say, hey, the nigga Old Dirty did something that ain't right this niggas in the club and I tell this nigga, I say, hey, the nigga old dirty did something that ain't right with niggas, it's fitting to go down. Not with us directly, but the umbrella. Again, I tell them what I said, I'm going to the cigarette machine to get a pack of cigarettes. Did I not say that? Hey, they had Indian, that's how, I mean, that's what you said.

But do you not remember that part? Yeah. That's what you said. I said, yo, I'm going to put my coins in the cigarette machine, get some cigarettes, and then after that we fitting to split because it's going to go down. And then sure enough, the skies blue,

all hell broke loose. I'm happy to make it home one night, my nigga. We get back to the hotel. I'm standing in front of the hotel. Dad's come out. I don't know dad. Mind you, I love their music though, bro. Nigga, dad's like, yo, what's up, man?

He right next to me. Can I say this and you not be upset about it? No, I'm not. But they my people, they fuck with us, all right? It's okay with you for me to say it. I promise you, we know that. And we all cool down so we can talk about it? No, I'm not. But they my people, they fuck with us, alright? It's okay with you for me to say that. I promise you, we know that. And we all cool now

so we can talk about it. We know that. So the nigga dad's like, what's up, man? So I'm kind of shocked by just the acknowledgement because of the tension at that time.

And y'all know that tension was so deep you could cut that shit with a knife, bro. For real. Definitely was deep. You could literally cut that tension with a knife and fold it to two curtains. The nigga said, the nigga looked at Ramone and was like, yo, because I feel like slapping the shit out of New York nigga right now.

I don't know if you ever heard that. And when he said that shit. Who said that? Dad said that? On God. I'm a Christian. Shout out to Dad for being that. nigga right now What's up, Mike? I kind of looked at the nigga like, yeah, that's kind of foul because you're going to divide me with my brother. And then you're going to say, I feel like slapping the shit out of a New York nigga right now. I called open a nigga.

Open on them bottom niggas rolled right on up. A nigga from the bottom came up on him by accident. He was like, hey, what's up? Hey, these are your fucking boys. Nigga had no drawers on with some nice swoosh pants with two nines. And rolled up on

this nigga like, hey, so this there? And Oop like, no, no, no, no, man. That's Mikey and Klus. That ain't them. That ain't them. They called, it's for something else. But long story short, we worked it out.

Corrupt calls us two years later to do a record with him. And Dionne Warwick. And Dionne Warwick. And all those mad people wanted to. Big Daddy Kane. Big Daddy Kane. Cy Reese. Cy Reese. What's the name that you love that's in the-

Horace Brown. Horace Brown. That you love, obviously. He loved the Horace Brown money. He was the- Devin started dancing. He said, I know he started dancing. He said, you love the dance. He's saying I know, he's got it. He's a dance guy.

Dance. But yo, I'm just saying it as I say, it's so crazy how none of us really knew where all of us stood, but when y'all niggas moved unbeknownst to you, he was right behind you. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Even as uncomfortable

as it was for us. And even with knowing that Irv was like, yo, my ultimate goal is to take the template of Death Row and build Murder, Inc. around the template.

Even though I was saying that and had Maude with them, we knew, but we still... A little bit of us that we didn't know that we didn't even feel like we had Maude Peet with us.

I'm asking you, how did you feel in that moment? No. Everyone else can't relate to this conversation that I just said. Steve Rippin definitely called us the day before when we were filming this video. He said Prodigy does not

want to be a part of this. No. I mean, do you remember that? I'm saying that, I'm saying that. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I mean. But then, hold on, let me, before you say that, but then the next, let's say Steve Biffin called us Friday, Saturday morning hit him up or whatever that shit came up.

We're like, don't one of you niggas got sick or something? And we was filming this shit on Sunday. Sunday, Prodigy's ready to shit on Sunday. Sunday, Friday, this was right after the video. But, um... Yeah. That's amazing, bro. You know what I mean?

Like... Because what's your... Go ahead, go ahead. No, but yeah, like... I felt like... I felt like... Nah, like... I felt like

at one point, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you got to remember, we still underdogs, man. We still, you know, this is still, we're still not. Tupac never dissed us, even though there's an R-rated. Yeah, we're still not Tony Norrie yet. We're still not that, like. Wait, so I'm out.

So y'all wasn't seeing that at that point? No, what I'm saying, we're seeing it, but we're not seeing it to the world yet. To the world, okay. They don't know us as seeing it, seeing it. We're not okay. They're not they'll know us as CNN I'm gonna get more feature. They think you know They don't know us at CNN So, you know, I think mom at first, you know when the record start getting hot They didn't care whether it said mob defeaturing CNN or whatever. But when that song start coming, nah, that's them niggas' record.

That's them niggas' record. That's them niggas' record. All right, so yeah, that's our record now. Now y'all know that's our record. And then everything transpired from there. You know, verses getting taken off and videos getting shot and things. But at first, you know, I don't think that mob did not have our back. I just think that they didn't care. Like they just doing a favor for the niggas

that's coming up in the hood as they should. No, that's what it seemed like as a DJ. We seen y'all push the button. It was just co-signing. It was co-signing us, you know what I'm saying? When we seen y'all niggas push the button and I know for me personally, I was just like...iggas push the button, and I know for me personally, I was just like... We never pushed the button.

Let me just tell you, Mike. I'm being honest. I'm being honest. It's real shit. Really? We just put the record out to answer them. Yeah, that's it. It wasn't until they kicked down the buildings.

When they kicked down the buildings, that's when we made the video to react. It was just two records at first. You see, we threw Snoop off the bridge. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? All I know is once y'all took his move, and I saw him move.

Yeah, but here's the real reality of it. They did a record. We didn't know if it was ill or not. If it was coming at us or not. We did a record. I can tell you. They didn't know if it was coming at them or not. It was just that Prodigy's verse was

jammed K on my way to just that Prodigy's verse was K.I.K. on my way to LA. Prodigy asked to get his verse taken off. I brought it. Once Prodigy asked to get his verse taken off, Tupac went at all of us, and the only person he went at was, don't worry, you niggas got six or seven.

And it was Pete. So then the next day, we got the call on Friday. Saturday, we took the ticket off. Sunday, we said that Prodigy would not make the video. And all of a sudden, he made the video. See, and it's kind of crazy. I don't know.

He can tell you I felt very awkward based on everything we had talked prior to this point because Because of the worldwide No not even that but y'all my family Why you ain't put me in the LA LA Why? You put me in the Craig Mack video

That wasn't me that was her You had the Craig Mack video? He's talking about Flavor I was there they ain't put me in it. They ain't put me in it. They ain't put me in it. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. We ain't put no Flavor of the Year in the video. Come on, man. Yo, stop. Mike, Mike, look, Mike. Let me tell you one of the illest moments for me. For you?

I'm up north. I'm in the day room. Woo, woo. Soul Train comes on. Mike Geronimo, Fidget P. Diddy. Woo, woo, woo. And who comes on doing all Diddy parts? Flush.

Oh, my God. I'm telling you, man. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Ha ha ha ha. Let's hear you. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo.

Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo.

Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo.

Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. We're winning! What day did you turn yourself in? I forgot. Do you remember who brought you home the night before you turned yourself in? I forgot. You know who brought you home? Who are we on? I brought you home.

From where? And my man K-Saw brought you home. Where was we at? Young niggas was in the Palladium and you ended up fighting with niggas across the balcony. That's the night I fell out of the steps tonight. And the nigga grabbed the candlestick that was about six feet tall. That's the steps tonight. I got a split in the head right here from that night. When we saw you fighting and we was on this side of the club and there was a balcony

and a palladium that stretched over to the other side. Yeah. I saw the nigga had stretched over to the other side. Yeah. I saw the nigga grab... Talk to the mic, yeah. I saw the nigga grab the candlestick. Yeah. Me, him, and I think it was Randy and Rudy,

and my man K-Song, we went down the stairs, went under the shit, and went up the stairs to where the shit And went up the stairs To where y'all was And y'all was brawling with niggas I don't even know who the niggas was Yeah I don't know Me and my man K-Son Took you and

And Norma We dropped you off in the PJ's in Queensbury You told me you was going in the next day. I'll never forget that. I might have been a little while longer than after that. But you said something like, y'all niggas was brawling. I had mad extensions though.

I was probably definitely supposed to go in. But me and my man K-Son, we drove y'all back to the bridge in my man K-Son's van that had mad smash boxes in it. I'll never forget it. And y'all niggas was tight with each other because of

whatever happened at the party. You and him was arguing in the back of the van. But we dropped y'all off and we hit the bridge. And that was the day that I was like, I don't even know what to argue about anymore. I'm talking about Cheeseburger Baby, because God damn it.

Let's go, take a couple pictures. Y'all was thumping with some niggas in the plate. He's thumping with you right now. That's how we do it. And I'll never forget, because I remember watching you niggas fight, and I was like, damn. Them niggas fight a lot of niggas, but they is not giving up right now. And who else is with you? Y'all niggas just trying to give it to niggas. And I remember seeing that nigga pick up the candlestick. It was black. It was like six feet, seven feet tall.

It was a tall, like, prop that was in the plenum. And he didn't swing it at you or you. He swung it at somebody with you. And once he swung it, we all was on the opposite side of the club where we saw y'all fighting from the back. And we ran down we ran to the other side by the time we got to the other side of where y'all was yeah you already did whatever you was going to do you just i think we told them all the time Thanks for joining us For another episode

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