Drink Champs - Episode 234 w/ Busta Rhymes and Spliff Star

Episode Date: October 30, 2020

N.O.R.E.& DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On today’s episode, The Champs chop it up with the legendary Busta Rhymes.Woo-hah!! One of the most requested artists in the history of Drink Champs, Busta Rhymes finally joins us for an incredible conversation.Busta shares his hip-hop journey, from attending the same high-school with JAY Z & The Notorious B.I.G., to the creation of Leaders of the New School. Busta also shares how the legendary Chuck D gave him the name “Busta Rhymes”.Creating some of hip-hop’s most historic albums, Busta Rhymes shares stories about working with iconic recording artists like Janet Jackson & Mariah Carey, to name a few.Spliff Star joins the conversation as the guys talk about Busta and Spliff’s electrifying performances, the evolution of Flipmode Squad and more!Be sure to check out Busta Rhymes new album “Extinction Level Event 2: The Wrath of God” available on all streaming platforms!Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What it good be? Hopefully, what it should be. This is your boy, N-A-O-N-A-A. We'll be right back. This is one of my closest friends. I consider him a brother. I consider him family. But I didn't want to make him any different than any other guest. I wanted to go and study him. And when I basically listened to every one of his albums, I believe since 1996, coming up to this moment, it feels like it was a big, I told you so, for 2020. 2020 was, bam. Like, he told us in 2000 that our lives would change. And our lives have been changed since 2000. But when you listen to him, it's like he's been preaching us anarchy and been preaching us that about 2020, 20 years ago.

And it's like, we're just now catching up. This man is an innovator. This man is running a conglomerate of records. He is holding down his artists. Every week they drop in a goddamn video or a goddamn project or a goddamn something. CEO the fuck up. The only man who can go see Vibes Cartel.

Bop, bop. He will bust your ass on a record. who can go see Vibes Cartel. Buh-buh! He can bust your ass on a record and then bust your ass on stage with the same record he did with you. He has been lasted out here through different decades and been relevant. People can be lasted through these times and periods of hip hip hop, but can they be relevant? Can they still have them great looking videos? Can they still be looking great?

He's back in the best shape of his life. And in case you don't know who we're talking about, we're talking about my good friend, Bucks on Bars! Now, who not? The fucking intros are having to get tense. Before shit even starts. This is your life, man. Oh, my God. Now, but I'm not going to lie. I really, we really speak together at least once a week, you know? Absolutely.

But like I said, in the intro, I didn't want it to be, like, no difference. So I really went and looked at your albums. And I actually listened to them. Like, I mean, albums from... And it really did feel like you predicted 2020. Like, I just feel like you knew this year was going to come.

What book have you been reading? I just feel like that, boss. Like, it's like you really predicted that life was going to change for us. I didn't really predict nothing. I don't want to say that I was prophesizing some shit. What I will say, though, is the same information that I became a fanatic about,

everybody was accessible to the shit. It was just, I was just fascinated by the shit that I was stumbling on and I was fascinated by the what if of the shit I was stumbling on. So even if the shit never came to fruition, the fact that there was these,

these ideas and these plans and these things set up to actually carry out, and somebody took the time to create these ideas and these plans, and they just were waiting to be executed. Right. That shit fucked with me alone because I just always said to myself, as fucked up as this information was looking and sounding when you read it to yourself or when you see some kind of video about the shit, if any of this shit was to happen during our lifetime, we in some serious shit. And I just thought that that alone was just a super intriguing shit to me. So I fucked with it because, you know, all of that shit was the seed of all of that was planted by being blessed with knowledge of self. Thank you. You already know how I go, God.

You got knowledge of self. That's God. You got knowledge yourself. That's correct. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, we come up in a time where... Boss, I want you to choose which champagne I drink. Which one you think I should be drinking? You got to dig the rosé. The $500 one?

That's the motherfucking fact of the matter. I'm sorry, boss. I shouldn't even have thought of that. I just went with it. Okay, continue. You know that we come from a time when it was actually super cool and super important to be smart niggas. Forever.

Nah, this era. Nah, this era is some other shit. This era is some other shit. But, you know, we come from a time where, you know, Zulu Nation was strong. And the five percent nation of the gods and earths was strong. And, you know, that's why in hip-hop they had Brand Newbie and then they had X-Klan and Poor Righteous Teachers

and Just Ice, La Kim Shabazz, KRS Public Enemy. And Goody Mob. Goody Mob. Goody Mob came after that. Yeah, no, but I'm saying in that same vein, you know?

Yeah, so it's like, you know, back then, it was important and it was cool to be smart. Right. You know what I'm saying? And it was also accountability. If you aligned yourself with any one of these brotherhoods and you didn't actually live up to the responsibility and the obligation to uphold the integrity of

these brotherhoods if you said he was 5% and God's actually what degrees you dealing with and you ain't know your degrees you might have got your ass busting the street and that came with a certain code of ethics like we you know that we also came from a time during these times where you're on the corner with your homies and y'all selling weed. And say Nori moms got off the bus and we all lived on the same block.

We see Nori moms or my moms or your moms. We carry her shopping bags home when she got off the bus. And if niggas was on the corner and we selling weed or we were smoking weed or cigarette, you ain't put your weed or your cigarette out. The niggas that went to go carry mom's shit to the crib, when we come back, we was actually going to bust your ass because it just looked like he wasn't exemplifying a proper level of respect,

which was a code that we lived by back then. So everything was based on accountability and proper code of ethics and having respect and having manners, even though you was still a street nigger. You know what I'm saying? You bust your gun, you might have went to jail, you might have sold drugs, but the parents on that block knew that you had enough integrity

and respect to still uphold the integrity and respect of the block. You protected the block. You ain't let the slackness happen on the block recklessly. So that's the shit we come from. So that was the seed of what created all of this desire to want to research the information so when I stumbled on shit like that I was just blown away because I wanted to be able to add on to the knowledge that I had when I was building with the gods and be like yo it was almost like when you get the new pair of sneakers. The gift of discovery.

It's like when you find a new artist that's popping and the niggas got some shit that's scorching, but you introduce niggas to it before everybody start dick riding it. It's the same thing with knowledge itself. You wanted to show the gods that you stumbled on something that you was introducing to them, even if they was the PhDs and the scholars of the neighborhood.

So that's what it was for me. One thing led to the next. I break up with leaders of the new school, which we're going to get into the whole dialogue and all of that. Yeah, that happened on MTV, by the way. Yeah, with Fab Five Freddy. into the, yeah, that happened on MTV, by the way, yeah, with Fab Five Freddy, but,

Dallas Austin had us come down to Atlanta, and at the time, he had a studio called Darb Studio, he was 18 years old, I see you talking about Dallas Austin on 85 South, yeah, yeah, he introduced a lot of us

to the executive perspective because as an 18-year-old, you know, Dallas had this money. He was the poster child of producers as a young producer with Clive Davis. He was fucking a lot of bitches too. I mean, I am not at liberty

to discuss anything of that you know Dallas was a young fly motherfucker and he was getting to the bag and he was putting the most disrespectful numbers on the scoreboard as a producer between TLC and another bad creation and boys demanding his's demanding. His money was different. And when we was down there going through our transition, you know, George Clinton was fucking with him a lot. So George Clinton gave me this book

called Behold the Pale Horse written by William J. Cooper. George Clinton gave you that? George Clinton gave me that book. That's a crazy legend. We can't have noise for that. Hold on. Tell me you still got the book. That's a legend. Make some noise for that. Hold on. Tell me you still got the book.

That's a legend. I got several copies of that book. Wow. The one from George Clinton? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I got the George Clinton copy for sure. Right, right. That shit has got a little wear and tear on it, but I'm never going to get rid of that.

That's like the greatest gift because that book gave birth to the mentality that Busta Rhymes went into for the rest of his solo career. I gave that book to Goody Mob. That's what turned Goody Mob into... Me and you. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. Who's that looking in my window?

That's not the same person. It's Self Therapy. Yeah, he was doing Elkast. Fuck it therapy, yeah. Yeah, he was doing L-Cas. Same family, you good. Same family, you good. Dungeon family, you good. But long story short, that man, George Clinton,

created this movement amongst us with this book that sent us all on these different journeys but still dealing with the same level of high science. All right. So that's what led to the coming and when disaster strikes,

an extinction level event, anarchy and genesis. It ain't safe no more and the Big Bang and all that shit. Wow, wow, wow. So that's how that came about. But did you know you were going to create, like keep that legacy or that,

like a trilogy of this theme and keep going with this theme. Well, not a trilogy, but like a book of Eli with different chapters in it that all connected to create this book of Eli, which was like a Bible. Right. But see, the foundation even before the George Clinton information came from Public Enemy, which is who I got it from because they made all of these concept albums. And Chuck D named you Busta Rhymes, correct? Named me Busta Rhymes named me Busta Rhymes and named the group leaders of the new school

but he you know Chuck when they created the albums like the Yo Bum Rush the show album that wasn't even like the fucking

it takes a nation of millions to hold us back album that album and Fear of a Black Planet, them albums is what I modeled all of my entire solo catalog on. Those were like the templates that I followed the script of to do the shit that I was doing.

And then the information that I was stumbling on, I would just incorporate in the albums that I felt, at the time, that information reflected what was going on at that time the most. You know what I'm saying? Wow. And because that information is infinite, I could go forever talking about this type of shit. Right. Because I put out, 96 the coming came out right

we dropped Everything Remains Raw 96 and I'm getting information that's saying some shit is going to change forever five years later

as far as the world is concerned as we knew it 2000 2001 from 96 is when the world trade happened 98

on the album cover and you had an apartment by the world trade didn't you you had an apartment by the world trade yeah I was in Tribeca when the World Trade happened. Right. 98 on the album cover. And you had an apartment by the World Trade, didn't you? Huh? You had an apartment by the World Trade. Yeah, I was in Tribeca. When the World Trade came down.

The morning that this shit happened. Wow. I wasn't there when the shit came down. I was there when the second plane hit. Wow. And DJ Scratch woke me up and told me, get the fuck up out of there. Wow.

So I'm right by the Brooklyn Bridge, so I just dipped on that shit and just skated out to Long Island, and I went to my house in Long Island and saw the shit on the news with Will from Unique. Wow. Autosport.

Wow. Will Castro. But the point that I'm trying to make is on the third solo album, the album cover in 98 was what happened in the World Trade, Wall Street. You look at that cover, you see the whole Wall Street in flames. You see South Street seaport.

You'll see the Brooklyn Bridge and the Manhattan Bridge, and everything is on fire. This is three years before it happened. Again, I'm not prophesizing shit. I'm just looking at the information that I'm getting because, believe it or not, this information was out there and they was telling niggas. The best way to hide some shit is by putting it in your face, right? Plain sight, right. But, you know, how they got us conditioned already. When you tap into some type of truth, they want to discredit the truth by calling it

conspiracy theory so that you don't realize that you actually on to something. You know what I'm saying? So, as I was seeing the shit that I was talking about as time passed, and when they

transpired, the confirmations was real to this information that I was talking about. It changed the what ifs to the what the fuck. And I was like, all right. I got to start telling niggas about all of this shit in a very different kind of way because some of this shit is happening for real. You know what I'm saying? How do you do that without, like, becoming preachy? Because I guess, you know, that's really, really what information, like, you know, when

you present information, sometimes it's not what you present, it's how you present it. You know what I'm saying? You came across where you was giving information, intelligent information, but you never came across like you was being preachy. How do you balance that? First things first, I don't think no nigga like to be preached to. Right. You know what I'm saying? Secondly,

you know, for those who got kids in here, and remember when you was a kid, we ain't really like medicine unless we like how the medicine tastes. So the medicine sometimes when your moms had to give it to you, they had to mix that shit up with something that tastes good in order for you to take the medicine sometimes When your moms had to give it to you They had to mix that shit up With something that tastes good

In order for you to take the medicine Right? Right So When you giving motherfuckers science You gotta spoon feed them some shit They gonna like the taste of Which is why all of my singles

Was feel good energy shit And turn up party shit And The albums were always made With a balance of science And just hot shit You gotta lure a balance of science and just hot shit. You got to lure niggas in with the hot shit and once you get them lured in, that's when you can start busting their ass with the science and the information because now you got them,

you done gave them some shit that they wanted from you. You know what I'm saying? So that was always the approach. Like, here go the bait. Like when you go fishing, let the fish bite on the worm and then reel their ass in and that's it. Once you got them, reel them in. You know what I'm saying? So that was the whole mentality always

when I try to make these albums. It's just finding the right balance. So, bouncing around, bouncing around, we just had James Cruz on Drink Chance and we also had Eric Nix on Drink Chance and it kind of reignited the legacy of Chris Lighty obviously, right, and Violator. So before we get to the Chris Lighty part of it I want to because although we Chris Lighty was the reason why we were violator but violator is his own entity on his own as well right so you being in the beginning of violator I think he was the first artist right

on actual violator well it was it was leaders it was tribe it was jungle brothers, it was tribe, it was Jungle Brothers, and it was daylight. Wow. Unviolated? Yeah, because we was all being represented by Chris as a management rep under Rush Management. Wow. So when Lior and Russell Simmons had Rush Management on Elizabeth Street down in the... Kind of town? No, it was like lower east side, near lower east side of Manhattan, the Alphabet City side. Leo made an announcement one day

that they was shutting down Rush. Wow. So Leo told all of the management reps that were supervising whatever groups they were supervising, you could take whoever y'all want and do what y'all want with them. So Chris said, alright,

I'm going to take Tribe, Dayline, Leaders, and Jungle Brothers because they already had the Native Tongue shit moving. And we wasn't officially in Native Tongue but we was like distant family members of Native Tongue.

And Chris ran with that and started violating it. But then Tribe left and De La left and Jungle Brothers left and Leaders broke up. But all I knew was Chris, so I wasn't going no motherfucking way. I stayed with Chris. I did the solo album, The Coming, and the Woo Ha single went platinum in four weeks,

and then the album went platinum in like eight to ten years. Woo Ha! Got you all the shit! Got you all the shit! I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Continue, continue, continue. So the success that came from that shit attracted everything else that ended up coming

to Violeta. So then, you know, Missy came and Nas and LL and Mobb Deep. I imagine how Roc Nation feels right now because of what Violator has laid out.

Oh, that's a fact. I can't remember at a time, Bust, where I didn't know how to hang out outside the hood. I really didn't and the only place I could feel comfortable

was like Violator when it was in the Def Jam building where I could get a haircut buy some weed and get a motherfucking beat at the same time in all the same

fucking building like it was I mean Leo Combs would come in and smoke a blunt with you it was like it was nothing

you talking about when Violator was on Varick Street? Varick, that was my favorite Violator. Right, right, right. I say Chungking. I always called it the Chungking. Right, right, right. Because Chungking was the next thing over. I mean, that might have been my favorite place to be

because I literally can conduct a whole album from there. Like, if I wanted Meja Man, I just got to chill there for one, like, couple of hours. Somehow Magic Man is going to walk through there. Or RZA is going to walk through a record. It was just really a vibe. I always wanted to make an entourage-type, what is that called? Doctor Drama?

About that vibe. Yeah. Is that crazy? Nah, that's incredible. You should actually do that shit. I'm really going to try to do it. I want it, no matter what.

Yeah, let's do it. So, but, and like I said, I'm bouncing around. One of the most remarkable... What was you going to say about James Cruz? I was going to say,

because I'm getting mixed reviews, right? James is the person I, you know, even 50, right? Let's just throw the elephant in the, I forget how that phrase go. Throw the elephant in the room, or is the elephant in the room, or dress the elephant in the room. Let's address that motherfucker, right? So 50 says, James never managed him.

And a whole bunch of other things Even visible hot 97 the crazy thing is James did that to me on 97 as well I was a part of it right, but there was a mix of reviews when people Viewed the James Cruise thing for most part to tell you the truth. It was 70% Positive but the 30% that was negative or 30%% that did, it was people who was valid people. And it was people of stories that I didn't know. What did you personally feel when you found out that I had James Cruz on Drink Champs,

and representing Violator? And what dynamic? What would I feel about what? Something he said, or just having him on? I think he means in general. I felt that that was legitimate. Oh, okay, okay. That's a fact.

Okay. You know, I got... James was a violator, brother. Right. Nobody can't discredit that. That's undisputed truth. Right. As far as his relationship dynamic

with certain individuals, there's but so much in-depth that I could go about that because I don't really know what everybody's business was as far as the intricacies with James Cruz. Right. You know what everybody's business was as far as the intricacies with James Cruz you know I'm saying um from the outside looking in is close to the situations that I was it looked like James Cruz was involved

with certain things concerning 50 business but I know that from a confirmation level, when you say Violet was managing 50, I can't speak for nothing outside of Chris Lighty. Yeah, because for people who don't know, we have our meeting with Chris Lighty. Chris Lighty can't be there for 24 hours, so he does assign certain people. He does assign certain people.

Like, my person that was assigned to me was Claudine Joseph. Right. You know what I'm saying? Who was the person that was... Mona Scott was assigned to me. You're a big dog. I'm sorry, boss.

I had to... Mona ain't picking up the phone with me then, though, now. I was just playing, Mona. I was just playing. You know, that's like... You, Misty, had Mona. That was like... That was Chris. That was playing Mona. That's like, you, Misty, had Mona. That was Chris.

That was actually Chris. So I really want to, like, you know, it was, like I said, having James Cruz was mixed feelings, not mixed feelings for me. But James partook in Busta Rhymes' business as well. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not going to sit here and not acknowledge James Cruz' involvement in my business as well. You know, and not acknowledge James Cruz's involvement in my business as well.

You know, Eric Nix was very much involved in my business as well. Eric Nix was running around chasing DMX to get verses for me on the Anarchy album. And, you know, he helped me get, you know, the Jay-Z verse done on the Anarchy album. And, you know, Eric Nix and Cruz played significant roles in my Violator story. Wow. I can't front on neither one of them. Beautiful. Beautiful.

Violator story has to be told. It has to be told. Now, you, Big and Jay went to the same high school? That's crazy. Me, Big and Jay went to the same high school. Me, Special Ed and Chip from Fushnikin went to the same high school? Me, Big and Jay went to the same high school. Me, Special Ed and Chip from Fushnikin went to the same high school. What is it, hip-hop high school? It's just two different high schools.

Me, me... This nigga's coming. So, me, Jay and Big went to George Weston House Technical and Vocational High School. Sounds very smart. They wouldn't have accepted me. That's where the bars came from. That's where the bars came from. Yo, me, Special Ed,

and Chip Fru from Fushnikins went to Tilden High School. They might have accepted me there. No, this shit, they ain't talking with me. Tilden sounds like a place I'll be at. We went to Tilden and we went to Weston House. And them experiences was golden, man. You know what I'm saying? It didn't sound like a place I'll be at. We went to Tilden and we went to Westinghouse. Wow.

And them experiences was golden, man. You know what I'm saying? It was, you know, I... I think this is the only rap battle you say you lost. Yeah, but I done told that story a trillion times. I don't know, we wanna hear it here, bro. I'm sorry, I'm sorry I got to ask. I'm sorry I got to ask.

Jack Jr., you better not let your one eye be bleeding like that. You better fix your one eye. What are you doing over there? One eye fucking up over there. So, in Western House, me and Jay battled the speed rap shit. Yeah, because he was up. He was killing it already with the originatorsators and he was killing it with Jazzo already

so I was kind of just getting my feet wet with the speed rap shit and he definitely got the edge on me in that particular battle in the lunchroom at West House but that that's kind of what inspired me to become so dangerous

with the speed rap because I always was looking forward to my rematch day. And I never got that. But it's cool. Now how, because the speed rap, you have to have perfect, like, breath control. Not just breath control, you just got to know how to relax. You know, that's your slogan, my nigga.

You got to relax. I can't speed rap, though, right? It's like, with me and Spliff, right? Look at this nigga. Jack Thriller, one-eyed, fucking motherfucker. What's good with you, brother? He can't hardly see you, man. But he see you, brother. Like I was saying, with me and Slip perform,

y'all might see us losing it, like when we do Scenario and all of that. Or... Can we do Scenario right now? Or Elmery up? Fuck you, man. Don't start this shit. How? Way back. Look at it, man.

Oh, my God! Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it?

Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? Who will get it? I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan.

I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan.

I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm like, damn it. Right, right, right, right. Now listen, listen. I start saying shit, put your hands down.

I'm gonna tell my story. We talking about Turnipy right now. I'm gonna tell my story about how Nori ended up on Violet in two seconds. I was on my super fan shit about Nori, but I'm gonna get back to that. The point that I was trying to make though, when it come to the speed rap yes the the the ability to articulate and speak clearly it is it's better off

when you calm down you know what i noticed that about you because your tone because you go yeah we make scratch turn the music down so i gotta my voice. And as you're ending the verse, then you come back up. I can control my breath. And I can get the fucking articulation off properly. So I'll stand in one spot, and I'll just, and Spliff will come over, and he'll do all of this shit, and Spliff will become the animation while I'm just on my six-stilts shit. Like a conductor.

That's exactly what it is. It's that size. Right. I'm just on my six-tool shit. Like a conductor. That's exactly what it is. It's that size. Right. I'm never big that. So it's a complete opposite of the spaz out because the spaz out now becomes me getting the shit off clearly and letting all of the antics and the animation

be between what I'm doing lyrically and spliff, like you said, orchestra conducting the shit with his fingers against my mouth and whatever shit he gonna do around me. I let Spliff control the animation around me at that point. Make some noise for Spliff's dog. So it's that kind of understanding as far as chemistry that makes when me and Spliff come together unfuckwittable.

You know what I'm saying? Because like Spliff, he knows when to do it. And he'll just, we don't practice though. Like we'll just figure out what the sequence of songs is going to be and the moments will happen where we'll stop, pause, do some shit, black out and pause based on the song arrangement that we know the song already got. So that's why it look like

we be in sync all the time when a drop on the beat will happen here and we'll, together, it's like, it just happens in the moment. It's very hard to believe, boss. Y'all niggas look very rehearsed. Nah, we never practice. You never practice? We just learn the songs. That in the moment. It's very hard to believe, boss. Y'all niggas look very rehearsed. Nah, we never practice.

You never practice? We just learn the songs. That's the practice. So let me ask you a question, boss. How many times have you arrived at the show and the promoter said, yo, boss, we had to move you because no one wants to go after you?

That was regular all the time. No one wants to go after Busta Rhymes. That's regular basis, brother. No, no. No one wants to go after Busta Rhymes. That's a regular thing, brother. Regular thing. Oh, that's a fact to move them. Who's somebody who said, I can't go after Busta Rhymes. That's regular basis, brother. No, no. No one wants to go after Busta Rhymes. That's a regular thing, brother. Regular thing. Oh, that's a fact of the move, though.

Who's somebody who said, I can't go after Busta Rhymes, but you were shocked that you were shocked about? I was one of them once. I'm just saying, nigga, I ain't going after that nigga. No, I don't know. I get to the show early on purpose. Listen, man, ain't nobody there.

That's okay. I don't know why. Yeah, you're completely crazy. And Norby got some of the biggest motherfucking records that niggas can't come behind either. No, no, no, listen up. You a different type of, I'm gonna be honest. You like, there's certain people that you go to the gym with them and you don't never wanna go back.

They just OD back. That's like you on stage. When you on stage, I know you've hurt a lot of people's feelings. Snoop comfortably says it on the record. Wow. Snoop says it all the time, and I love Snoop, and I ain't gonna lie, we...

Y'all supposed to do the verses together. That's what it was originally set up, you and Snoop. He just took it somewhere else before I could even finish answering the damn shit. I'm sorry, man, I'm so hyped, man, I'm hyped. Yes, we were supposed to do the verses. Sorry, I'm like, okay. Yeah, me and Snoop was supposed to do

the original verses before him and DMX did it. And I just, we couldn't work it out to be in the same space. You know what I'm saying? I'm not really with the, I'm not with complying without questioning things.

You know what I'm saying? I was, you know, again, it comes back to having knowledge of self. We don't take nothing on face value. We need some showing proof. So you're not going to just tell me... Larry Jackson out there

cutting somebody a check somewhere. We don't know who gave him. Matter of fact, big up Larry Jackson. Big up Larry Jackson, goddamn it. Big up mother fucker. Big up Swiss out here doing God's work. And big up Swiss and Timbaland because they created that whole situation.

And maybe Dream Champs a little bit. We got a little credit for that. We did kind of start from starting up. How? With Just Blazin'. We gassed up Just Blazin'. I want a shot, though. I want a shot.

I want a shot shot. But put me on. No, we gassed it up with Just Blazin' Swiss. Yeah. And that's weird. They reignited it. They kind of spawned it. Oh, I was about to say,

because the Timbaland and Swiss shit was before the Just Bla and Swish shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we just got reignited the Just Blaze shit. And that's when they started going on again. But, you know, we were part of hip-hop, man. I ain't going to lie. I was at that Just Blaze shit. If y'all had everything to do with that motherfucker, that was a different type of historical moment.

It was a beautiful thing. My face didn't get bent up that much in the situation consecutively on that level in a long fucking time, bruh. Very crazy situation that day. Big up to Just Blaze, too. You ever fell out of love with hip-hop? If I ever fell out of love with hip-hop? At one point, you ever was like, man, fuck this shit. Never.

Never, I can tell. I ain't gonna lie, I can one million percent tell you never fell out of love with hip-hop. Fuck that. That shit almost sound weird. Like fall't gonna lie, I can one million percent tell I never fell in love with hip hop. Fuck that. That shit almost sound weird. Like fall out of love with hip hop for real? Like think about it though, Normie. I almost feel like... Cause I feel like everyone goes through this.

Like you know, even Pharrell, like at one point I would hit Pharrell, like after he became very, very successful, and he would say shit like this to me, like, I'm not doing hip-hop for two weeks. I'm like, what? Nah, Pharrell said that to me, too. I'm going to join my brothers, but I just need some ice in my eyes. But you understand what I'm saying, Bust? And then I'm not going to lie.

I used to be so mad at Pharrell when he would get on that thing. Until I went through that. Nigga, we was both in that same place with Pharrell. As a matter of fact, super huge big up at Pharrell when he would get on that thing. Until I went through that. Nigga, we was both in that same place with Pharrell. Yes, yes. I remember. Matter of fact, super huge big up to Pharrell. Big up to Pharrell. Motherfucker's a genius and he is in a position

where he can afford to feel like that. Because Pharrell ain't just hip-hop. Pharrell is music. Yeah, some motherfucking rap. Make some noise for Pharrell. I think my point was, I had to- But Pharrell is all the way hip hop. Let's not get this shit misconstrued. 100%.

But his range is so crazy that he'll make some, he'll, you know, he doing movie scores with fucking Hans Zimmer for the Minions, B. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Pharrell's shit is, he is- He's like a Basquiat. For real. with fucking Hans Zimmer for the minions, B. You know what I'm saying? Pharrell's shit is, he is other, for real. When you say I am other, he's really other. You know what I'm saying?

But he's still hip hop, so I just wanted to clarify that. My point is, I didn't know what he was saying at the time of doing the shot too, right? I didn't know what he was saying at the time until I got a chance to spend time away and do certain things in hip hop. And I kinda did at one moment, fell out of love with it. By the way, you know Fat Joe and me

spoke today on the phone? No, I didn't know that. About you. I didn't do nothing wrong. No, you didn't got nothing wrong. Like a parent-teacher conference. You sound like I'm saying shit, that's all right. Niggas just calling me in for the bus.

Salute. Salute. Make up the Fat Joe, by the way, our motherfucking big brother. Salute Godfather Joey crack, Don Carter Gina. Salute, motherfucker, make some noise for the Don Carter Gina. Make some noise. Let me just tell you something, bus. I don't know if you know what our show is about. That nigga's a Violator, boss. I don't know if you know what our show is about. That nigga's a violated tool.

That's right. Let me tell you something, boss. Our show is about celebrating people's careers. So many times in this life, when people get 10 years and people get 20 years and people, if you're lucky, get 25 or whatever, people want to say you washed up and it's gonna be over. Every year, this is last year, this is last year.

You have survived monkey foot in this game. Put the sticker under the bubble gum with the Timberlands. Doing this shit, and we gonna salute you. Now, behind your back, but to your goddamn face, goddamn it. Come on, take some A's, then. Take some A's.

Hey! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank y'all. Now, I gotta ask you this question because, and I think if I know who you are as an artist, that's that water bottle of Ciroc by the way. Goddamn, make some noise for that goddamn water bottle of Ciroc. I don't want that one no more. This is a blue bag. So look, if I think I know who you are as an artist, this is gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna be a big deal.

I'm gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna be a big deal. I'm gonna be a big deal. more. This is a blue guy. So look, if I think I know who you are as an artist, this is going to be hard. I love you, I love you, I love you. But this is going to be a hard question for you if I think I know you as an artist.

What do you like more? Performing or actually making a record? God damn, that's a hard question. I knew it was going to be hard for you. I might have to say I like making the record more. Word is bomb. And the reason why I like making the record more is because

the performance can't exist without the record without the record being made a certain kind of way you know watermelon thank you nice I think I think on a deeper level too I don't think a lot of people realize how beautiful it is. You're trying to kill me. All right, man. You're trying to give me a super disrespectful shot. I don't think people realize how beautiful it is to be able to go in the studio as an artist

and lock yourself in them four walls and you ain't around nothing that gives you back talk. Right. You love your woman. You love your kids. Your moms.

The ganja. Your friends, everybody. Yes. But the studio don't argue with you. The studio don't ask you no questions. The studio don't stress you out, bro. The studio don't make no demands

other than to pay for the studio time. That's a different thing. And the studio ain't doing it. It's the people who run it. It's the man. That's a good way to look at it. So there's a lot of times when you go in the studio and I just sit there and I don't even create nothing.

I just go in there just for some peace of mind. I want to be in the studio. I learned that from you a time later. I don't have to hear nobody mouth that I got to hear in my house or in a workspace, and we disagreeing and going back and forth about shit concerning your life and their life, especially if you affect their life

directly or indirectly, right? But I go in the studio, not only can I not, not only do I have the opportunity to avoid hearing shit that I don't wanna be bothered with, but I can also become whoever I choose to be. If I think about being a fucking Avenger in the studio, I can become an Avenger. If I want to be the Incredible Hulk in the studio, I can be the Incredible Hulk. You want the studio to be Wakanda. It can be Wakanda.

It can be Wakanda. That's a fact. And you can freely share whatever those thoughts and those feelings are and capture it. And without repercussions. With no repercussion because you can then live with it

for a week or two and determine whether or not you even want to share this shit. And the world ain't going to give you no criticism while you're in that space of trying to create it. And then you can go back and revisit it and perfect it and revisit it and perfect it and revisit it and get it to a place where it's so impeccable that before you even share it with a motherfucking press play form, you've mastered the intricacies of this shit so phenomenally that you already know what it's going to be when they hear it.

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you put 100% into it, you thought it was it, and it just didn't stick, it didn't work? I've never been wrong about the record. Okay. I might have been wrong about who had to support the record. Wow. You feel me? Because, see, you make your children, right? You raise your children, right?

You can't necessarily know what's going to happen to their life once they leave home, but you pretty much got a hold on what's going to happen with their life once they leave home, but you pretty much got a hold on what's going to happen with their life while they live in your house. Right. That's like a record, damn. That's a record. I've never really looked at my kids like a record. But I will say that over and over.

That's a new one for fatherhood. Okay, come here little super doctor. I don't want what you're talking about. That's a fact. Wait a minute. Why your shot looking so much bigger than everybody? He gave me, because I don't like him, he gave me way more. You gotta balance out all that shit. You gotta balance out all that shit.

Okay, okay. He want a little bit more. Yeah, you gotta balance out our shit. Who know each other? You gotta balance out our shit. Don't mess with our shit. Okay, okay, okay. He want a little bit more. Yeah, you gotta bounce it out. You know we can't. You know me. And if we got the disrespectful mamawana, that is Dominican Tiger Bone right there. Oh, I don't want no smoke with that. Pick up the big, big, big bowl like you said about Pop.

Pick up the big bowl with that shit. So, you've been wrong about the system. I've been wrong about who I rent. One time, let it go. And, you know, you got to start having these conversations about what's the plan, what's the rollout, what's the marketing scheme, and what's all of this shit that you curate and these initiatives that need to be activated. Right. Sometimes motherfuckers can say some shit

and then they really just ain't in the position to execute it the way they say they are. Right. And then, you know, they don't never ever take responsibility when the time come. Right. When it don't work. Right.

You know nobody don't want to stand next to shit when it don't work, but every motherfucking body, even if they got nothing to do with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they're standing next to it when that shit work like a motherfucker and it's sticking against the wall. Right. You know what I'm saying?

And so, you know, the beautiful thing about that is when you learn that shit, and you know, God willing, you learn that sooner than later. Right. You know how to proactively avoid those situations the next time because then you got to start going to

your support system outside of those people. And you got to find them. And when you find them, and they're the ones that really, because see,

like, believe it or not The greatest support system is the motherfucker in the position to support your shit That's actually a fucking fan of what you do. It's hard. You know saying that's all the person That's the fan like they know how to get you to the place when they fell in love with you. Wow. And you were your best self to them. This is so deep. That time when you made them fall in love with you, they know how to revisit that. That's why the fan always try to tell niggas, why don't you make your old shit again?

Right. No, I'm never going to make my old shit again. But one thing that I've learned to master the art of is revisiting the old energy that you love. That old feeling that you love. Is that why this is ELE too right now? That is a significant part of why this shit is Extinction Level 2. I knew you 20 years.

The wrath of God. I knew you 20 years and I knew each other through the ups and downs and whatever. But for this time, it just feels different to go around. Thank you, King. It feels like, and I'm going to tell you, I'm going to be honest with you. It feels like you use your haters' energy. I felt like you used your haters this time.

I felt like you actually embedded the body of everybody who said something about, I felt like you used your haters this time. I felt like you actually embedded the body of everybody who says something about... I felt like you woke up one day, looked at your Instagram, and only looked at all the negative comments. And said, I'm going to smack these guys in the fucking face. Yo, Nori. That's what it feels like. I'm from the outside looking in. I'm not sure.

Nori, I'm going to be honest with you. Yes. I know we on camera. Yes. But you know a lot more than most of these. Yes, sir. You know when we talk. I'm guessing this one.

Nah, you know you hitting it in the center of the bullseye. Okay, okay. You know, I was a 340 pound nigga, bro. That makes some noise for that. I mean, that doesn't mean, that doesn't make some noise for that. I mean, that's not making some noise for that. Alright, cut.

Making some noise for that. Making some noise for that. Alright, finish the statement. We'll do it. You're premature with that one.

I was waiting for my brain to prematurely clap. I'm sorry. So, I was 340 pounds. I heard the comments bro. So, I think it started like I was 340 pounds. I heard the comments, bro. So I think it started like when you fell off stage.

No, it started before that. It was before that, okay. Yeah, because see, even when I fell off stage, man, I was two million sold with OT Genesis. So they just couldn't talk shit to me. Goddamn, listen to this. Listen to this. You know what I'm saying?

I'm saying? I'm all of these years later still breaking artists during the streaming and the digital era when a lot of niggas are still trying to figure out how to navigate the digital infrastructure. Let's just bring up OT Genesis right now, because I think he still ain't dropping out. Let me help you all understand something.

He still ain't dropping out. This nigga got six million subscribers. I don't know how you're doing this. I don't know what the fuck you're doing over there. This is a totally different type of robbery. And I respect it. This nigga ain't even got that album out. This nigga ain't even got the beat in this group forever. I don't know. Sometimes I just watch this shit and I be like, I make sure nobody looking because you know I'm from New York and it doesn't look good. So I'm like...

And good dude, man. He's a good dude. And I fuck it up every time, but I make sure I don't get a thing. Thank you for that. Yeah, good dude. You do a great job with that. It ain't just me. I'm a good dude.

I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. I'm a, man. He's a good dude. I fuck it up every time, but I make sure I don't get a deal for that. Yeah, good dude.

You did a great job with that. It ain't just me, though. I'm a support system for O.T. It's him. Wow. He know how to make his music. Ain't nobody telling him what beats to pick. Ain't nobody telling him what choruses to come up with.

And he's having fun doing it. Ain't nobody telling him how choruses to come up with. And he's having fun doing it. Ain't nobody telling him how to flow on a record. He is 100% in charge of his creative space. All I am is the motherfucker that know how to get the support system right. And the bags to make sure that he's supported. And show him how to get to the bag. And he figured out how to get to it on his own, even separate from the information that he got from me on how to get to the bag. And he figured out how to get to it on his own, even separate from the information

that he got from me on how to get to it. So O.T. is one of those dream come true artists that you wish you could find. And he was one of those artists that knew how to create his own excitement, traction, enthusiasm, and buzz, which is what attracted me to him in the first place.

He was signed to 50 before he came to me. And when I seen OT Genesis, he was fucking up a club with one record called Touchdown and L.A. called Playhouse, where it was almost like a direct correlation to when I was performing Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See three, four times in a row. The last night the Palladium was open in New York. This nigga had this club in a tornado with this one record called Touchdown where I stood by the speaker that he climbed up on just to wait for him to climb down. So I could grab his ass by the arm and say,

wait a minute now, where you going? Who you signed to? Who's your manager? Nobody? Okay, you got to come see me tomorrow. And then we got together and we had this conversation about business, and then we had a real man conversation about respect principles

morals and integrity and when both of those conversations was honored the business got handled then we became a fucking United Front fast life conglomerate and then at that point OT knew what he had to do and then I knew what I had to do because once he figured it out I mean. knew what he had to do. And then I knew what I had to do. Because once he figured it out, I mean, I knew what I was going to do with him, but I just needed him to figure out what he needed to do. All right, let me be devil's advocate right now. Right.

People from the beginning of hip-hop, beginning of bussiness thing, you know, lyrical, you know, the essence of hip-hop. Have you ever got slack for, you know, because, like, for lack of a better term, he's like a new-school type of artist. Like we said, he established that he didn't even drop an album. Right. So some people call him a single-driven thing.

Excuse me, by the way, OT Genesis just dropped a new single with Chris Brown and Mr. Charlie Wilson about one week ago. And I need y'all to go and peep what the fuck going on because this is when... Get there and make some noise.

Excuse me one second. I got a motherfucking record out with motherfucking Bob's Cartel called Down in the Balls and I got a disrespectful record out with motherfucking Bob's Cartel called Don and the Boss. And I got a disrespectful record out with... I ain't finished! I have another disrespectful record out with Anderson. Get that bass noise for that!

One more time. I got an incredible collab with Trippie Redd out there for all of the young generation. Get that bass noise for that! Excuse me. I got another collab that just came out with West Side Gun and Slick Rick. Whoo! Whoo!

Oh, shit! Excuse me. Super big up to West Side Gun and the whole Griselda family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Conway and motherfucking Benny the Butcher. Benny the Butcher shit is out. Conway shit is out. All that shit is disrespectful out here.

Yes, we love it. Excuse me one more second. Okay, I apologize. I just dropped the motherfucking amazing collab with the legendary Stevie Wonder, Cordae. I didn't finish reading all the features. Oh, wow. We just didn't hear Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder featuring Cordae, Rapsody, Chica,

and Busta Rhymes. Wow. Okay, hold on. I'm not done. I'm not done. I heard you see Stevie Wonder roll up in that session. I never ever see Stevie Wonder roll up in no session. I'm playing around. I know you are, but I'm going to make sure that Stevie knows. I got to make sure Stevie know I'm not playing around.

Jack told me that him and Stevie could really see on the floor. He showed us? They're going to be seeing our class. That's what Jack told me. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. Jack, you're going to be able to see. One more. One more. Let's go.

Big up to my brother, Xzibit, B-Real, let's go. Big up to my brother Xzibit. Ooh. B-Real and Demrick. They album just came out, Summer of Sam. And I got an incredible collab with Xzibit and Demrick. Goddamn. And this brother named Jassi. This shit is called Man Down.

That just dropped last Friday. Make some noise for that. Bring it on. We gotta ask, we gotta that. We got to ask. We got to ask. Your brother's been working, by the way. Yeah, man. We see the pictures of you and Dr. Dre.

We see it. We see you in the named exhibit. There's a few Dr. Dre pictures getting ready to come out to you that the world ain't see yet. But you know where I'm going with it. I know exactly where you're going. It's Dr. Dre on ELE2. Everybody's gonna have to find out October 30th. We're dropping this October 29th.

October right now. Yeah, yeah. We can officially call him the bus-tober. Bus-motherfucker-tober. That's what the fuck we're talking about. So if we don't know if Dr. Dre is on there, we're going to be suspicious. I'm not giving nobody no, I'm not disclosing no information about who's on my album because I'm not, I'm not really with.

This seems like the right time to get Dr. Dre right now. I think it's the, I think, I think, I think, I feel like it's brisket right now. Dr. Dre is in it. Catch me outside. I think, I think, I think the most amazing thing about Mystique is that's what used to make our motherfuckin' You talking about the bitch from X-Men?

Nah. I know what Mystique is, but I'm just playing. I'm just gonna say that. That was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. You do reality. Watch this stick and like, mystic, bust it.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Let me continue. I gotta calm down. I gotta relax. I gotta relax. Yo, we're fuzzy. Let's get another shot.

Let's get another shot. I got another shot. I got another shot. Yo, so, so, so. I'm sorry. Like I was saying, I think the most amazing thing about the Mystique is that it's got a lot of people that are like, oh, this is crazy. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Like I was saying, I think the most amazing thing about the mystique that's been lost in this game is, and there's a few artists that still hold onto it, that it contributes to the amazingness of who they are. Because see, absence makes the heart grow fonder. You know what I'm saying? Wine do too, right? What'd you say? Wine do too, right? That's a motherfucking fact.

This is wrong with me. That's a motherfucking fact, you know. That's a motherfucking fact, y'all, buddy. You ain't never lie. I need ice in my joint, though. Always put an ice cube in my shot. Okay, that's what I told him. Now, Hov and Beyoncé are incredible with mystique.

Right. Kendrick Lamar is incredible with mystique. Right. Hmm. Nas. Nas. That's been his whole shit. Nas and Dre been on a

incredible mystique shit. And I think, thank you brother, and I think that it's a lost treasure in hip hop. I've seen Beyonce say one time on something that was a post on the gram that. And I'm from the era where that was important way before Beyonce came out. But what was beautiful about the way Beyonce articulated it,

and don't quote me verbatim, was she addressed the fact that it's strange how the game evolved into this thing where having to share when you shit, piss, fart, sleep, throw up, burp, became more important than actually the talent itself that connects with the consumer. The final product.

The only thing that the consumer should be entitled to is the gift that you was blessed with that you choose to share. Right. All this extra other shit that you feel like I gotta show you when I'm giving birth, when I fucking threw up after drinking too much at the party. One time I was with you at Club Live.

Yo, wait, talk about it. I don't know where you're going. Talk about it. Somebody took a picture of us and you came to them, you came and said, you erased that picture. And at first I said, maybe bus is going too far until it happened to me. And when it happened to me, I think I called you and I said, bus, you're right.

This new generation is just foul. Because they'll just film you without asking, without none of that. But see, that's not really their fault who how they was raised this is the era they was born that was their programming it is programming the condition boys said he was from the hood and said you are not Yeah, that's what I meant. You're blaming Soulja Boy. Not Soulja Boy. The Soulja Boy situation. You're blaming Soulja Boy. Not Soulja Boy. Not directly.

You're cleaning it up. You're indirectly? I'm saying the situation from that moment on, everybody said we need that on film now. We need it on film. No, I'm not going to agree with you. I think it's been going on way before that. I believe that.

Way before that. You know what I'm saying? But my thing is. But you was early on checking that. Yeah believe that too. Way before that. You know what I'm saying? But my thing is... But you was early on checking that. Yeah, because... Early on. I see you.

How can I be down early days? How can I be down? You're checking niggas go. In 94... It's crazy that you say that. I was just rocking with Peter Thomas in fucking Atlanta this weekend

during the Caribbean call of the weekend. Yo, that's when I see you shutting phones down. This is it. Pull up. Salute. This is Busta Rhyme. This. This is Busta Rhyme, that's it.

Rayburn Busta Rhyme! DL2, the round for God, baby! D is the reason, my man, G. So, so. Mm. Mm. Ooh, that's a little bit of my soul. The reason why it's an issue for me,

I think a lot of us can agree, that come from the 90s. Right. You know, I'm still a Reaganomics era child, right? So a lot of crack. I mean... It doesn't automatically... It does mean that.

That's what it means. And because of what we was doing, two things. You wasn't allowed to talk about it because it was self-incriminating. And you avoided the cameras. And number two, task force and D's and Feds

was coming around filming you without your permission to get intel against you to build a case. Why the fuck would I be comfortable with a motherfucker just randomly filming me, especially now when the police look like the niggas you hang out with?

See, at least the police back then ain't look nothing like the niggas we hung out with. Now these niggas got tattoos, throwing up gang signs and the whole shit. That's what I'm trying to tell you. These niggas is gang members and the whole shit. So what I'm saying is tell you. These niggas is gang members and the whole shit. So what I'm saying is

I need to be very concerned. Especially with the experience that I come from and the knowledge itself that I come from and just the shit that I don't bear witness to. If you feel me or something, I just want to know. Look, I'm approachable.

It's your approach that determines the outcome. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, your body, and I'm approachable. It's your approach that determines the outcome. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, your body language, how you approach it. Yeah, it's how you are in complete control of how our interaction is going to transpire. You don't know if you're trying to approach us and you're already filming us, you're already starting off wrong. You're already fucked up. You're fucked up.

You're starting off wrong because you don't know if I want to be in this conversation or not. And you don't know what I'm going through on that day. That's a fact. You could be filming me on the day that a close loved one that died or I could be going through a divorce or I could be going through,

you know, a beef with my closest brother. All right. Come and ask if it's okay. How you doing? Pleasure to meet you, brother. I'm a huge fan of what you're doing. Whatever you want to say, whatever the verbiage is,

as long as it's respectful. And can I get this picture? Cool. And if I say no because I'm dealing with something, respect that. Show your love. You're going to get it in return because everything is reciprocation over here.

And at the end of the day, get back to enjoying your evening. Because if you ain't seen me at all, you would have still enjoyed your evening. You know, I read something in the Gram today. And it was a Denzel post. Denzel post said, I don't know if it was his post, but it was somebody who took a snapshot of a tweet that he supposedly posted. He said everybody got $84,000. If somebody took $60 from you and you was left with $84,500, No, excuse me. $83,540.

$83,540. Would you risk losing that $83,540 over the $60? Right. I don't know the right answer. Let me answer the jewel. He says, everybody got 84,000 seconds in a day. Right? Right?

When you let somebody take 60 seconds, would you risk 84,540 seconds of your day for 60 seconds? Wow. Ah, you killed that. You killed that, Jake Bay. You killed that. Oh. That 160 seconds could destroy the rest of your 84,540 seconds.

Because you're being impulsive. Right. This is a bigger picture. Let that nigga have them 60 seconds and hold on to your 84,540, 83,540 seconds because that 60 seconds ain't worth fucking up all of that.

You feel me? So that's the jewel at the end of the day. That's the jewel. Wow. You can't let, even if your interaction is wrong, and I learned this the hard way, right? I caught a few assault charges.

All of them shits was based on respect that I felt was being compromised. It wasn't worth it. I went upside niggas' heads for no reason, but that's a pet peeve of mine. When I was younger, see, respect is everything in my upbringing. My mother, my father.

We a West Indian house. West Indian culture is a proud people, a very proud. And let me be clear. We're going to make sure there's a distinguishable difference from that proud boy shit that they talking about. Right. And a proud people. You're back weak, Deuce. You understand? Weak, weak. shit that they talking about you're right and a proud people your bad weed news you understand so you know what that being said the proudness of the

West Indian people is as a result of this great suffering and sacrifice that we have been able to rise from. That proud boy shit, I don't know what the fuck that shit is about, but I'm not fucking with none of that. And I hope ain't nobody in this room fucking with that. But what I'm saying is at the end of the day, that's how I was raised. So respect is important.

Proper manners is important. Proper code of ethics is important proper manners is important proper code of ethics is important and etiquette is important so if we meet each other and because you want this picture

and I don't give it to you you want to be disrespectful 99% of the time it's not going to result in a good way it's going to be reciprocated from you it's going to be reciprocated and given back the same way you right initiated it because boss let

me let me say something for one second because a lot of people forget that we're humans that's a fact and the thing is the thing is i get that you know we give you a certain persona of us that where we are you can talk to us and you do know us but at the same token we are humans like I want to walk into a restaurant why can't I just walk into a restaurant why do I have to be stopped a lot of people don't understand that if you was just a normal person which we are we're just normal people it would be took in that way. So, because I remember it was footage of you, I think it was outside of Club Liv, right?

And somebody said something to you. And I forget what it was, what it was. And the footage was very viral. I'm trying to recall. Yeah, because... Was it Liv or was it something else? Found Blue. It was Found Blue. Well, that's Liv was it something else? It was Found Blue. Well, that's Liv.

That's Found Blue. That's Found Blue. And the thing is, see, people think that they just can say anything to us. Like, as rappers. If you say, yo, listen, yo, give me a moment. Like, I was just in my hood. I can't say this person's name,

but he needed to holler at me, and I just told him, I said, just give me a minute. I can imagine, I don't know how he felt, but I really was in the middle of working, and I can imagine how he felt. So I want to apologize in advance, but I can't say his name, because I don't know if he felt that way.

But the thing is, a lot of people don't realize that we're human. Like, I just want to walk into the spot, and I remember, you know, seeing that, and knowing you and knowing your side. You don't remember that you said, did you? No, I actually remember more than one situation. Well, I bet that's my bad. But, and, you know.

At the Fountain Blue. Oh, wow. That's what I'm saying. More than one. Wow. So, um. Outside of live and parking lot, valet area. Wow. In the hotel, um... Outside I live in Parking Lot Valley area. Wow.

In the hotel, by the swimming pool. Do you ever underestimate how famous you are? No. Okay. No. No. No. I don't underestimate that I work hard for that motherfucker. But what I do sometimes misconceptualize

is people's consideration. I think sometimes we don't consider each other enough. And I'm guilty of that as well. Sometimes I think, and I'm completely apologetic to any and everybody that I might have offended.

And might rub the wrong way in the future. Like, y'all got to understand, we're human beings. We all have our shortcomings. Ain't nobody perfect. We have our flaws. It's okay. Right. perfect. We have our flaws. It's okay. If we are rubbing each other the wrong way, let's

have a civil building discussion about it. It ain't got to be long and drawn out, but before you get to the level of zero to a hundred, there's every choice comes with

an invoice. so be mindful with what you're choosing to do when you deal with me definitely stealing that bus he already stole it every choice comes with an invoice it's the same saying every choice you make you got a price to pay

it's the same saying it's done in a, you got a price to pay. It's the same saying. It's done in a different way. But what I'm saying is. Perfecto. Yeah. But what I'm saying is, you know, it's the same thing vice versa. We do have to be mindful of how we deal with people. And their excitement too.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's not like they're doing something malicious or wrong. Sometimes. You have your characters that are trying to use fan shit to troll and get a fucking follower

by filming the disrespect. But see, that's the real risky gambling part because they can't control the outcome while it's being filmed. So be mindful of what you're doing. But what I'm saying is at the end of the day, we still all have to be considerate of how we deal with each other. A lot of the times I have become a lot better with being able to say if I tell somebody, nah, this ain't the right time, I still shake their hand, pull them in, give them a hug, and help them understand why it's not the right time.

Instead of just saying it ain't the right time and bouncing on them and making them feel like I ain't even acknowledging or appreciating the love that they trying to give me. You know what I'm saying? That's important. Understanding is the best part. It's the reflection of knowledge and wisdom. And do you understand what kind of fan do you have? Because I had to narrow it down,

like me at one point, right? They know where I'm going. I've got drunk fans, right? So no, I'm serious. Even before Drink Chance, I had to realize that some of these guys are coming up to me aggressive because they think that's what I want Right, they think they think they think it what what what what what so they come up to me on some what what what energy?

And I let him know like nigga that was a record I saw it. You know shit though, Longs, what shit? So I be having, and then I had to put it out to my Uncle Wise. You know Uncle Wise is a big guy. And I had to kind of explain to him, because Uncle Wise would just be so protective. And I was like, you know, certain people's energies are real. Who is Uncle Wise, by the way? Uncle Wise is good. He NBA.

He got a star in the Fed. Please send Uncle Wise my love. Man married to Fed is a fucking fairytale story. It's fucking phenomenal. Mix those with Uncle Wise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. I would have to literally look at somebody It's a fucking fairytale story. It's fucking phenomenal. It makes you want to smoke a lot. It makes you want to smoke a lot. I would have to literally look at somebody and say, look, their energy might have been aggressive, but their words and their character was so passive. It was just, yo, I love Lori. You know what I'm saying? I did a bit to them. But the way they're saying it, you would think they... There's a lot of passion in it.

But what they're actually saying is like, that's just regular fan shit. You know what I'm saying? So did you ever get a chance to say, you know what, I identify a Busta Rhymes fan? Is there a Busta Rhymes fan type? Because my type is drunk, I'm just throwing it out there. No, no, no, no, no, no.

You're absolutely right. The Busta Rhymes, the majority of the time, I need y'all to really chill with me. The Busta Rhymes, the majority of the time, I need y'all to really chill with it. Yeah, please, work. Yeah, yeah, close the door, come on, come on, come on. Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. The Busta Rhymes fan that I notice on the majority level is the ones that want me to do the Wu-Ha

and all of that animated shit in the videos all the time on site. On site. Like as soon as the niggas ask me to do it, it's like I'm supposed to do it on some wind-up dog shit. You know what I'm saying? Like I ain't gonna front. I think the little bit of frustration that comes from it for me is that when I try to help them understand that I ain't, that's not who I am 24 hours a day.

Right. The letdown that I see in them, that fucks me up. They think you Hollywood. No, that's exactly what they, that's where they go. I'm like, there's so many levels before you thinking it I'm just want some funny shit with you. I'm not on the funny shit Here, here. Ain't no Ron Daddy. Come on. I'm sorry, man. No, no, no.

But that's frustrating for me because I don't want to let the love down. I don't want to let no one down that is genuinely showing love and that genuinely wants to express their love. You don't think that's the trade-off of the mystique? Because the people who don't give that mystique, when the fan approaches them, they see them shit, fart, and piss, like you said, and they're like,

alright, we taking you on all human. That's deep. But the mystique, they see you as a god. I think that might be... That's a jewel. That's a jewel. That's a serious jewel. Damn, nigga, you're fucking me up. That's a serious... That's a serious jewel. Damn, nigga, you're fucking me up. Where's this ear?

Give me that. That's a serious jewel. That's ill, though. That is ill. Because, because, because, I mean, we do know that absence makes the love grow fonder. Makes the heart grow fonder. So, yes, it does make people hold you in a higher regard the less they see you. But that perspective, particularly interesting perspective, I haven't looked at it from that perspective.

Me neither. And he might be right. I think, you know, them seeing you shit, fart, piss and all all of that, and not getting that when they see you, is where the letdown comes from. But the mystique is what makes the letdown greater. Right. You're right. And let me just tell you something, boss.

You're fucking right. You have the biggest wide range of artists. It's very unfortunate. You actually have records with Mariah Carey and Janet Jackson like I'm not gonna lie I was counting your money during the Janet Jackson and that's how it is see they say you had a million dollar video. That was some bullshit. You had a $750 million video,

and they hype ordered Mr. Charles from New York to LA. And you see it wound up being a million. It was a shit bullshit. A million. Bullshit started 2.5. He was disrespectful out here. I'm just being honest. I went and I looked at the records.

Niggas shit was $9.98. You know what I'm saying? And then you over budgeted and you hit a million. Because niggas wasn't cosigning a million like I think it was. Cosigning a million. I'm being honest. They're so signed up. I'm being honest. What's going on? I'm talking to the truck.

They'll give you a million for the actual signing. But they really going to give you $500. And then they're going to give you all right, you want it? Because that was it. Everybody wanted

a million dollar budget. So hype would be in cahoots with the label. I'm making this up. I'm swear to God. I really don't know if this is true or not. It's an educated guess.

Educated guess. This is how it happened. Roll with me. All right, so. Oh, no, it was not a million dollars. It was $750,000. And I'm sorry, I'm bringing it right back to you, but let me just tell you how hype caught me.

And he's from Queens, so it makes it even worse. Okay, so $750,000. I went to the... Fucking crazy. I had my shit was in the air. I got to say, this 750,000. I went to the, um... This is fucking crazy. I had, I had, my shit was in the desert. I gotta say, this is fucking crazy. Listen, listen, listen, boss. Hype Williams, listen, man.

I'm in the desert right now. Hold on, hold on, hold on. It's my friend, okay, he's my friend. Hype Williams. Yes. We love you, brother, but you was... He got us. He was violent.

Yeah, he got us all. He got us all. Got us all. Let me tell you how disrespectful he was with me, boss. Let me just got us all. He got us all. Let me tell you how disrespectful he was with me, boss. Let me just tell you this. That is crazy. So we paid the budget, everything, right? So we in the middle of the desert. We in the middle of the desert, boss.

You got me in my feelings a little bit. Hold on. We in the middle of the desert. This is old know, just so you can think about old know. Right? So we ordered the regular craftsmanship. So I'm like, video is a desert. This is an old note, just so you can think about the old note. Right? So, I ordered, like, we ordered the regular craftsmanship. So, I'm like, alright, cool. Shh.

I'm eating whatever is foul out there. And then I see these model bitches. Excuse me, these model women. And they're walking out, they got chicken sauté. And I say, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is that peanut sauce?

And they're like, yeah. Hype lit. I go to the hype trailer. I swear to God, I wish I was exaggerating. His whole trailer's filled with Mr. Chaps. So I'm like, he's like, where you was at, Maury? I ordered this for us. There's nothing but the bottle bits in there.

Nigga, you did not tell me. You didn't get the memo. You didn't get the memo. None of my friends knew. We had Mr. Chow. So I said, all right, cool. I'm sitting there. I'm like, we in Las Vegas.

You know, this is Mr. Chow's in LA. So I'm like, OK, that's how we do it. High five. We got Mr. Chow from LA to build it in Las Vegas. You doing it. He said, okay, that's how we do it, hi-fi. We got Mr. Charles from LA to build it into Las Vegas. You do it, he said, hey, LA. I got this flown in from New York. This nigga had Mr. Charles flown in from New York to Las Vegas in the desert on me.

Nori. Nori, Nori, Nori. Mind you, I'm like, oh word, let's go! Now, Bust, it gets worse, it gets worse. We Hennessy drinkers at the time. I'm gonna say this from now. I'm gonna let you end, and we gonna move on to the next subject. I do not want to elaborate.

I'll give it a buck. Listen, so I'm thinking, we Hennessy drinkers at the time. He gives us a cooler. Cooler full of some other shit. We sitting there drinking this other shit. Do you know what this other shit was this whole time? We mixing it with Pepsi. This nigga gave us a cooler full of Louis XIII.

Our bozo asses didn't even know it. We sitting there drinking it with Pepsi. The whole crew was like, oh, my God. When we the 13th niggas? With Pepsi. We mixing it and everybody's just like, that was like, oh. Yo. It was like the Dave Chappelle skit.

You should never give you niggas no money. You know what I mean? So I felt like that. I'm sorry. I had a flashback of hype wins. And I still love hype wins. I love them, I had a flashback of Hype Wednesday. I still love Hype Wednesday. I love him too, but we need to change the subject. Your $2 million video with Janet Jackson, 2.5. It was actually 2.4.

Let's stick with 2.5. Mr. Child got ordered. First of all, I'm going to be honest. I think my wife would even let me get away with this. I don't think I could cheat with Janet Jackson, but Penny from Good Times, I think I'd get away with it. You know who Penny from Good Times is. You think you have to ask me no crazy shit like that, my niggas?

You get a chance to film with Penny from Good Times. How does this happen? You hype Williams, silk, and a bunch of silver and platinum in the background. Let's go. Let's go. This video, man. This video is so crazy.

I'm saying that like, boss, that is so up. Terminator 2 movie. The liquid robot. Janet Jackson on a velvet rope tour. She smell like peaches. She smell like she was bathing in fruits and berries.

I knew it. Can't talk. Turn it this way, man. We can't. We can't. I'll put it over there. No, we can't. We can't. We can't front. Everything about Janet is an immaculate conception. Right.

I don't, I have yet, no, not that I have yet, I have never witnessed the flaws. Right. That's hard. Everybody got these shortcomings, I just don't, I've never interacted with her enough to experience that side. That's what I'm talking about. I just don't I've never interacted with her enough to experience that side. So it is what it is. She sees She's uh She's a goddess to me. Um So

Terminator 2 movie the liquid robot velvet rope tour Angie Martinez That's how I came together Angie Martinez hook you over Janet Jackson. Let's just throw the rumor out there right now. Nah, what happened was... Throw the rumor out there? Right now, though. Right now. It was never a rumor. Let's get that straight.

Let's just play it this way. Janet was on Angie Martinez when she was on High 97 promoting the Velvet Rope Tour. That's right, she said she liked one of your songs. And Angie asked her if she ever worked with, what hip hop artist that she has never worked with that she wants or would like to work with. She said, Busta Rhymes.

I'm in a whip driving and I had to pull over. I couldn't take it. So you hit it on Twitter or back then? No, I ain't. Twitter back then? What's Twitter back then? None of that existed. I know, that's what I'm saying.

This was in 98. None of that existed. What did you do? Two-way pay? Somebody? I called Mona Scott. Ah, there we go. Mona, I need you to get in touch with Janet. This is real. Tell Janet I got the song for her.

You had the song? You already had the record? I already had no song. Oh. Bod-mon and a plural. He's playing poker. I didn't have no song when I found the song. And I was like, I'm going to have to get it.

I'm going to have to get it. I'm going to have to get it. I'm going to have to get it. I'm going to have to get it. I'm going to have to get it. I'm going to have to get it. I'm going to have to get it. I'm going to have to get it. I'm going to have to get it. I didn't have no song when I found the song and she got in touch with Janet and Janet was with it to talk and we got on the phone and she was with the whole collab idea so we got the song done and sent to the ref she idea. After that, now it was about coordinating. Hold on, you got another shot? I got another shot. I don't know why I got another shot.

I don't know what we're playing. What we playing? Listen man, Buster can drink. Salud. Salud. He is a drink champ. We sent the queen the song and she loved it. Now it's about figuring out how we're going to get the song recorded. So we had to go through this particular protocol because we fucking with a goddess. It's royalty. You know what I'm saying? You can't do a goddess. It's royalty kills a Royalty right there Walking this room she makes all room get cleared out They don't make the room get cleared out they gotta be cleared

So it had to be advanced obviously. Security pull up. Well she picked the studio and it was a neutral location and wasn't nowhere that she would be expected to be. It wasn't nowhere that I would be expected to be. She's in a gang.

She's in a gang? She in a neutral? It was in a neutral location. She's in a neutral. But this is all like, Jen is a gangster. And they had nothing to do with gang man. They had to do with everything that was not to be expected. It was for her protection.

Where she might have been or where she's known to be or where I might have been or where I'm known to be. Because head security got hair pieces, G14, classifieds. All of that shit. Yes. Secret service level shit. Secret service shit. It's a fact. So they advanced the spot. She picked it, sent us the location.

We approve it. Let's go. Green light. Now, we got to make the environment sexy and comfortable for the queen. I'm going to do my research, what kind of candles she like. Operees. What kind of flowers she like. What kind of flowers she like. What kind of fragrance she like. Operees? What kind of flowers she like.

What kind of fragrance she like. Get the confirmation on all of that. Decorate the shit out the room. In my mind, you was playing, you was lighting Erica by doing pussy essence. In my mind, you was playing, you was playing, you was playing. What the fuck, man? You know Erica by doing that pussy essence.

And pussy candles. Yeah, she got a, she And pussy candles. Yeah she got a... She got... She got a scent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on. No, no. It's hers. It's hers.

It's her smell. It's her scent. Yeah. Come on, busters, what happened? You have to flush the smell. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I need a break. I gotta pee.

We all, let me in, let me in. Yeah, let him go first. We on the piss, though. We have to re-busy. Hey, Dorian, Michael Jackson, bust a round neck after this. What the fuck? All right, you know what? I'm gonna go.

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Yes, yes, yes. Hey, don't worry. Michael Jackson busts around next. What the fuck?

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Look at this. This is crazy. Car air fresheners. So, like I said, we did the investigation to see what the queen likes, flower-wise, fragrance-wise, and just decorative shit to just create the mood, you know, set the mood. And once we found out, we successfully executed, made sure everything was there that she liked or that we researched that she liked. So,

I get to the studio first, and security comes. Once we knew that they showed up, we knew she was on her way. So, the main room that we were supposed to record in, I was so nervous that I actually booked another room, because I didn't want to stay in the room or around her too long. While she recorded? No, I just didn't want to be around her too long, period, because I didn't want to do nothing wrong.

That's very rich. That's like, you know, let me book another room. You lock out the whole studio. I'm counting your money. It wasn't being rich. It was being careful and respectful. I was being careful and respectful and proactive. Right.

Let's be clear. New Sessions back then was like $25,000, $3,000 a session. A lockout. That's a fucking fact. So that's the rich part. It might have been $5,000. You might have spent $12,000 just to walk through it. Fortunately, it was one day, so I didn't have to spend that much.

It was about $6,000 for two months to lock out. Right? But the thing that was the most important part was just making sure that... I'm sorry, was this in Los Angeles? I feel like this is Los Angeles. No, it was somewhere in the middle of the country. It was like some remote location

in the middle of the country. You was in that Kanye shit before Kanye? You know something? You was in Wyoming? You know something? It was somewhere middle of America, place like that. That's where her team picked. She picked that.

She was in total control of the way this went down because obviously her comfort is priority so that we can pull this off the right way. Rightfully so. She fucking earned that. She's the queen. Royal empress. Goddess. We're going to move accordingly. So

cool. We work it all out, whatever the case may be. And you know, when the security shows up, I'm like, alright, let me get another room because I just didn't want to be working at a pace creatively that wasn't matching her pace.

So she would have to be sitting around waiting for me to finish creatively. Right. So I went in another room so that I wouldn't be distracted by being in the same space with her. You know, it's hard to not look at Janet. You laid your verses in the other room? I laid all of my verses in another room so that my shit could be done right away.

No distractions. I'm not staring at her the whole session. You're giving her space as well. I'm giving her. Absolutely. That was the most important. Not doing nothing that was going to be extra around her. Right.

So we get it done. Song finished. Phenomenal results. Everything is amazing. Now. Phenomenal results everything is amazing now It's time to shoot the video hmm Now is that something you established before you record the record that good question This is not just me doing a record with you, but this is the full-fledged single.

Like, we're going all out. Is that something you've requested prior, or you just get the record done and you think about it later? I think everybody is very clear that you don't use Janet Jackson as an album dust collector. It's not a B-side. No B-side shit.

No album dust collector shit. Excuse me, I'm sorry, brothers. No, but let's be clear. No, no, no. No album dust collecting shit. Excuse me, I'm sorry, brothers. No, but let's be clear. No, no, no. But let's be clear. They can front on you. Because she did the record, you know, the record,

I think she was on Virgin at that time. I believe so. That's what I'm saying. Yes, you're right. They can front on you. They can. Just because I want to do a record or you want to do a record with me.

That don't mean you're getting video rights. Exactly. That don't mean you're getting single rights. Yeah. That don't mean you're getting single rights. Yeah, exactly. You're right. But it all depends on how this record comes out at the end of the day. It all depends on how Janet feels.

Right. That's really what it all boils down to because at the end of the day, she was super bossed up to the point where she is the shot caller and all says all when it comes to the decision-making process when it comes to her shit, her likeness, her being, whatever she say goes.

Rightfully so. Now, I get the blessing of everything. Video clearance, single clearance, album clearance, everything's a go.

Wow. I'm super on cloud two trillion. Time to shoot the video. Treatment is done. We discussed treatment. We see the video. Treatment is done. We discussed treatment. We see the budget.

Budget out of control. Can't believe it. Sylvia Roan got to do all type of shit to get it approved. She gets it approved. Big up Sylvia Roan. She was... Big up Sylvia Roan. Mother of my career.

She helped introduce Busta Rhymes to the disrespectful tax bracket in conjunction with Violator. She also was extremely passionate and committed to making sure that whatever our dreams were, our ideas were, she saw it through. Right. Even if it might have meant some backlash for her. Okay. Now, we shooting the video. I get to the video shoot. Janet Jackson got this dress on,

and it got these different rings on it. And the different rings on it, I ain't understand what they was. And she had them little she had the rings on her ends of her fingernails so she had them on her fingernails she had So I'm looking at these rings and I'm just like, yeah, what's... Queen, what's the significance of all of these rings?

And she goes, these is cock rings. Whoa, just straight up. She said these is cock rings. Whoa, just straight up. She said these is cock rings. Trying to understand you correct. Nori, I don't feel comfortable further in this discussion. We around a bunch of men, I already said cock twice. Right, you don't even keep,'t even have to reiterate it no more.

That shit is a dub in itself. It is what it is already. Use your imagination. So something with them rings and the man's Johnson was conducive to each other. They go together. And this was news to me. I never knew nothing about this and I didn't understand it. But I just thought that the shit was incredible

that she was willing to go there for my video. Well, our video. So we do what we do, shoot the video, and the interaction between us was so beautiful because she didn't have any discomfort with allowing me to interact with her very sensually. So I was able to hold her around her waist and we sticking tongues at each other and...

Back to ass? Nah, they don't. Nori. Only Nori can. Only Nori can ask that right now. Nori, I ain't gonna lie. I looked at her and said, how many more takes you got? I'm not even going to lie. And she don't let me get away with it. I'm like, pity!

You know, every man in their right mind is imagining, wishing, and hoping that there was an opportunity, even in a millionth of a fraction for that to be a possibility. But unfortunately, it was a super dub. Respectfully so. Respectfully so. And would we dare try to ever cross that line in the sand. You was deserving of every repercussion that came behind it. So you don't even try your hand. And she commands a certain level of respect. That's not even worth rolling a dice

on that type of shit. We did clarify she smelled like peaches. He said, the whole fruit basket. The whole fruit basket. Fruit cocktail. Fruit basket. Fruit basket. See, fruit cocktail got fructose and all that type of...

The basket is natural. It's the natural. Yeah, it's organic. Yeah, now I ain't fucking with the fruit cocktail. Okay, okay, all right. She's better than that. Okay, okay. Fruit cocktail.

Let's make some noise for Janet Jackson. Motherfucking right. It's the biggest family challenge, Janet Jackson. Oh, shit. So now, boss, now, this is another thing. Now is a great segue you gotta shut I gotta shot as well This is this foul shit in America Respect for you because I didn't see anybody else touch Charlie's your friend for real, man.

Y'all go over with each other. Hold up. Big up to my... Hold up. Spliff, chill. I want to big up... We bigged up Spliffstar properly, right? And we gonna bring him in. You gotta bring him up again.

Bring him up again. Bring him up again. We gonna bring up Spliffstar, the official speaker. Damn, yeah. You got a bigger Swift the right way. That's right. I got a bigger my brother Fuzzy the Connector. God damn it, god damn it. Motherfucker. I got a bigger my motherfucking brother E-Mix from

. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. E-Mix from Bombay. Where it is bomb. So, so, so,

the floor is yours, I know, I'm sorry. Holy moly, gawky moly, I'm so happy. We really, okay,

so where we was going? We was with Janet and then he was going somewhere else, right? I think he was going to Mariah? Yeah.

Yes. Okay. So here's the crazy shit. I like the way he did that. I like you conducting this interview. Yes. Okay. So here's the crazy shit. Can I get an ass check? I like the way he did that. I like you conducting this interview. I like that. He's the conductor.

He's the conductor. Your name is the conductor, boss. Right now. So listen. The crazy shit was Mariah was different. And I'm going to tell you why Mariah was different. Because it was your turn, in my opinion, looking from the outside in, not to be selfish. Because the Mariah

record is not with you by yourself. Are we clear on that? Very clear, my brother. This is the flip mode, right? Baby, would you give it to me? Would you give it to you? You know I got it. you? I know what you want. You know I got it. I know what you want.

I know what you want. You know I got it. That was with your fool. Yes, sir. What made you say, I got a favor from Mariah Carey, the princess, from the Alps of Everywhere? The Alps of Everywhere? I don't know. I didn't think of anything else. The Alps of Everywhere? I don't know, I didn't think of anything else.

The Alps of Everywhere is pretty decent. She's such a beautiful person, she's an angel. Like every Christmas carol should be her. Every time my Santa Claus comes to see me. She needs to use that as well. Every time Santa Claus comes to see your kids, in my mind, everybody cameras comes to see you. She needs to use that as well. Every time Santa Claus comes to see your kids, in my mind, Mariah Carey's driving the city. You know, what you said to yourself,

I can take my Mariah Carey favor, dolo. But you said, let me put my crew on to you. Let me be honest. I made the record with my crew before we called Mariah. Because. She was plan B? No, she was never plan B. She was always plan A.

Okay. But see, the collective of all of us was the plan A. If the collective of all of us didn't work, then I would have had to create a plan B. So it was always plan A. So me and Spliff was on the tour bus because there was a period of time for like four years.

We took the shot already? We definitely did. Yeah, we just did. I mean, I need some water over here because now I got to start damaging this shit up. Did you guys give him the water? Give him the water.

So me and Spliff, there was a period of time where I just refused to ride on a plane commercially. And I also, like, from childhood days, you know, we, as children, you riding in the car, you on the parkway, and those long little, semi-long drives on the parkway. As a kid, that shit was relaxing. The fucking engine humming.

And the fucking, just the coasting on the parkway. You ain't stopping and going with traffic lights and shit. You talking about the eastern parkway? No, I'm talking about just regular driving in the car. I'm sorry. Don't be crazy. You're making shit right now. You know, don't be crazy. Jamaican shit right now. Nah, I don't want Jamaican. Jamaican party?

Can't stop being Jamaican for a second. All right, go ahead, bud. You know, as a child, though, you know, the way I grew up, I always loved being in a car, just being driven by my father. I fall asleep in the car every time I'm with my father driving, and when we on the parkway and we driving, we going to visit family in Queens, or we going to visit family in Long Island from Brooklyn. That shit just was relaxing to me,

so I fall asleep all the time. It felt safe. Yeah, it was safe, it was comfortable, and it was soothing. Between the music on the radio, and the motherfucking feeling of the car moving at 70 miles per hour and the fucking engine humming, right? That shit was relaxing for me. So I really appreciated being on tour buses.

You know what I'm saying? That led to me being able to really enjoy relaxed time that I never really got the opportunity to enjoy because we grinding so much. You feel me? So you get on the tour bus, there's only one or two things to do. You could watch a shitload of TV. Or you could go to sleep.

Listen to music. I took advantage of that shit and rested a lot driving from New York to LA and I had two three days right nah I had two phenomenal bus drivers I would get to LA in 38 hours

wow better than some flights you're fucking me up Swiftstar let's make noise for Marta and Sisqo real quick. Let's do it! Yeah! Yeah!

Yeah! Rest in peace to Sisqo. So, boss, I have to let you make my next choice in champagne as well. You passed away just a couple of months ago. Which way? Should I go gold now? Oh, absolutely. You dealt with the rosé. I dealt with the rosé. Okay.

All right, with your permission, I'm popping that. Let's go. Continue. So... as we drive cross-country, we obviously listen in the beats. We getting beat packs from all fuckers left and right. Rick Rock sends us the Mariah beat. Make up the Rick Rock bottle. Salute the Rick Rock. Make some noise, Rick Rock.

Salute the Mr. Rick Rock real quick. And when he sent the beat, me and Spliff, we on the tour bus and we going through beats. And, you know, we might blaze a tree and sip a little yak or whatever at the time when I was drinking a brown. And we riding across country and the beat come on and we humming this melody together and shit. And then I came up with the words to it And then me and Spliff was just Locking in on that shit We was like this is it

Me and Spliff came up with our verses first Song starts We get home We record the shit We call Flipmo then They hear our verses These niggas want in Rampage get busy

Rod Digger get busyampage get busy. Rod Digger get busy. Baby Sham get busy. Lord Have Mercy wasn't too much into the Chick records because Lord Have Mercy, he like to beat your head in on some gully shit. And that could be Lord Have Mercy. That's Lord Have Mercy.

Thank you, brother. So basically, the song gets done. We send it to the queen, Mariah. And she's with all the smoke. She don't come to the studio like Janet did. Well, nah, we didn't... This is when technology is, you can send a record now.

Yeah, but it was the same shit with Janet. We just needed to be in the same room. But it was a different time because the Mariah shit came in, we put it out in 03, we recorded it in 02. The Janet record

was recorded in 98. So it was two different time frames, you know what I'm saying? And technology definitely advanced significantly by the time we got around to the Mariah joint.

But, Mariah heard the song and fell in love with it. As a matter of fact, did we big up Mariah Carey properly? Let's big up Mariah Carey. Let's do it. Yeah! I'm not going to lie. If Mariah Carey or Janet come here, I know that my niggas is gonna sniff their chair

when they get out. So I just gotta... I don't think we should put that out there first and foremost. We'll put it out there until after the fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you might need to wait. I ain't gonna be going out there. I'll be in jail before my daughters goes, man. They gonna sniff some chairs.

Now they'll never come. They gonna sniff chairs. You gonna ruin that, Normie. You can't put that out there. You fucked it up, bro. You fucked it up. Hey, man, I fucked it up? You fucked it up. Listen, Normie. You can't put that out there. You fucked it up, bro. You fucked it up. Hey, man, I fucked it up? You fucked it up.

Listen, man, I'm sorry. That's why girls ain't come in to drink champs. Yeah, that's why. Hey, man, they're going to spit some chairs, man. That's absolutely why they're not coming to drink champs. Make sure you right. Make sure you successfully clean. What?

You're going to be all. I'm sorry, bro. Let's continue, man. Stay real. I don't know where that came from. I'm sorry. Let's continue, man. At the end of the day, the Queen, Mariah, jumped on the record, and it turned out to be magical. But now let me ask you,

because she could have easily said, yo, boss, I'm fucking with you. I know who Spiff is. Yeah, I'm not going to do the whole thing. I'm not going to be with the whole crew. But why am I helping, or why am I a part of, you know, the establishment of the crew?

It has to be the respect she has for you. I think it was a combination of things. Okay. The first thing, obviously, is the respect and love we got for each other. Right. That goes without saying. I don't think that we even entertained anything without loving and respecting each other. Especially at the stage.

We were both steaming, you know what I'm saying like in a very serious way at that time but secondly you can't front on an undeniable feeling when the shit is a smash it's a smash

from the actual record yes right that's what's it's like let's go back to the Reaganomics era. A lot of crack. A lot of crack, right?

You pull up out of town, and you want the fiend to let all of the Custies know you back in town. Right. Because you're from out of town. You give the fiend a sample Tell them let the friends taste it You ain't gotta talk with the now with a tool The fiends is lined up down the block You gonna bubble right? Okay, cool

The product will speak for itself When you got that shit, it's going to sell itself. My man Barbecue walked in here with Popeye's thinking it's Mr. Childs. You need to relax. I don't know why you cuffing that shit so hard. This nigga sitting there like he flossing. I don't know what's your problem, my bro. I got Popeye's.

You want it? No, I'm good. You my nigga, though. I love you. I'm sorry, boss. I don't know why's your problem, my brother. I got a pop on Shreffle. You want it? No, I'm good. I'm good. You my nigga, though. I love you. I'm sorry, boss. He just, I don't know why he was flexing. Section two. Exactly.

It says it all. It says it all. Yeah, it says it all. Okay. So, again, the queen, she heard the record, and obviously she got a trillion number ones. She done sold 200 million, 300 million records. She know what a hit is.

So she didn't question it? Absolutely not. But still, a hit with established artists and a hit with people that's not established is a risk. You're right. But a hit is a hit. Damn. A hit is a hit. She heard it.

She heard it. She envisioned it. She saw it. She heard it. Thank you, EFN. There was no convincing her. This is the smartest EFN I've ever been. What the fuck?

What are they, man? Who's out with the rumor? Who's out with the rumor? Nah, you, because he's a dick of a bitch. I'm not gonna give you an ODB for that five back there, because he's a dick of a bitch. I'm not gonna give you an ODB for that five back there, because he's a dick of a bitch. I'm not gonna give you an ODB for that five back there, because he's a dick of a bitch.

I'm not gonna give you an ODB for that five back there, because he's a dick of a bitch. I'm not gonna give you an ODB for that five back there, because he's a dick of a bitch. I'm not gonna give you an ODB for that five back there, because he's a troublemaker though. Yeah, he was throwing speakers and killing everybody. She went and got, thank you, bro. I want to give ODB a five back then, because he used to dig up his nose. Yo, you crazy.

I used to be like, yo, my nigga. Listen, listen. What's up, Lord? Nah, my nigga, stop. Come on, man. You really did that? Yeah, you're taking this shit too far. This bastard shit.

Come on, man. You're taking it too far. Yeah, man, that shit, that's why they did it in state poverty. That shit in state poverty, that's because of a scene that I can't describe. When he was cooking, when he was cooking. When he was cooking, that's my scene, because Dave was like,

yo, you know ODB? I was like, I never gave ODB five out of my life. And then he was like, what? Because every time I see him, I don't know if he did it to me on purpose. He probably did. Because, like, you know, ODB was crazy. I'm sorry.

But in a great way. But I'm sorry. Continue. ODB was one of the first artists that she decided to feel like. I love him. And you and ODB had a crazy one. That's my brother. Out of control.

No, that's my brother. Come on. ODB is on my new album, Extinction Level Event 2, The Wrath of God. Wow. Stop, stop, stop. What? You worried.

First of all, thank you for the segue, beloved. Holy moly. You didn't even realize what you was doing. I did not realize. Thank you. You held it this long? Yes. Yes. Yes.

ODB. A-Song Unique. Big Baby Jesus. Dirt McGirt. The God. And let me tell you something about A-Song Unique. I would say 1990, Leaders of the New School Before we put out

The Future Without a Past Album in 91 We performed at this venue Called Hot Rod In Manhattan Down on the West Side Highway Jesus It was an event

For the 5% nation Of the gods and earths And Hot Rod was a venue Where they Peace to the gods and earths Peace to the gods and earths Hot Rod was a venue My niggas was eating pork earlier

Nah we not bigging up none of that. Fuck you, man. Nigga made me dog earlier. Nah. Shampoo, hold on. Can you give me a second? No, we didn't.

Yeah, you ruined it. You ruined it, bro. What are you ruining it? Did I tell you what happened to me earlier? No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, stop it.

Stop it. Stop it. Stop it, bro. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. I can't do that. I'm sorry, my bad, boss. We a hot rod.

We a hot rod. So this is a venue where you can come inside and sit down and eat and drink. But the tables are set up where it's like you have these old school cars from the 60s and you sit down in these little dining area where the tables that you were sitting at had like old school cars

you sit down, you eat, you order your food. It was kind of like some Mel's Diner shit, just a little more sophisticated and sexy because they had the old school cars as the areas where you would sit.ets Johnny Rockets memories it was like the both right because they both had similar things like okay this was just a little more lateral than that because they would actually have the cars the cars and you would sit in the areas of the cars and eat now the jizza before he was

the jizzy was just a genius genius you're a wizard when he was Prince Rock King big daddy came right yeah Prince Rock big daddy came leaders in a new school might have been positive K. Mm. And, uh... Was it Poor Righteous? No. It might have been Poor Righteous Teachers. I could be mistaken. Eating at the Spot? Or performing. Oh, I was about to say.

So this was an event that was specifically organized by a promoter that was a part of the 5% Nation of the Gods and Earths we do the show we finish everybody leaving we get outside we're in front of the venue the building session had to start before motherfuckers could go home.

So everybody that was in the nation of the 5%, anybody that was in the 5% nation of the gods and earths, excuse me, had to partake in the building session. All right. Wizards is an old dirty bastard. It kind of like was the ones that took charge of the building session. Brooklyn niggas. Those was like the Brooklyn segment. They was all Brooklyn niggas. All three of them was from Brooklyn. This is pre-Staten Island.

And if they was rocking in Staten Island yet, it wasn't disclosed to us. Right. But I knew them from a Brooklyn history whoever phone that is needs to be put on whoever phone that is need to go on sound that's flat push no this is actually West Side Highway Manhattan Wow so in the building session we dealing with today's degrees, and we're going through 120 degrees of lessons, depending on whatever lessons you was dealing with. I'm going to tell you right now, as crazy as you say, oh, dirty bass it is,

there really wasn't nothing crazy about them. Wow. Crazy needs to be changed to calculate it and Stan the God was very calculated see a dumb nigga can't act like a smart nigga only a smart nigga can act like a dumb crazy or some other nigga. So A'san knew exactly what he was doing. When it was time to build, he was one of the swiftest and the most sharpest guards that I ever met in my life. Wow. A man who knew 120 in a profound way.

I just want to be clear for the fans. You just called him A-Son. I just want to discuss for the fans that's going over their head. We're talking about Old Dirty Bastard. I'm talking about Old Dirty Bastard. And if you go back to Brooklyn Zoo, he says his attribute. Yeah, no, he says it. A-Son.

See, we say A-Son because it was spelled A-S-O-N. Your son's name is spelled S-O-N. But it really was S-U-N. Your son's name is spelled S-O-N. But it really was S-U-N. A son. A son. Because you called your son S-O-N. But you also called the sun that shined in the sky the brightest S-U-N.

A son. I keep planets in orbit. So he was basically giving you the signs when he gave you that punchline. I'm the foundation of the solar system. I'm the foundation of my family.

Because the original man is symbolic to the sun. That's knowledge. Knowledge is the key to all aspects. Black man is the foundation of his family. So if the foundation of the solar system is the sun and his family So if the foundation of the solar system Is the sun And the sun is symbolic to the original man Who's the Asiatic black man

The maker, the owner, the cream of the planet Father, civilization, the god of the universe Then the black man is the foundation of his family Goddamn, make some noise for that guy Now We're going to go from that to a song unique to God, old dirty bastard that y'all know. Right.

And that level of science that he was so swift with. You knew him from back then, you're saying. I knew him from back then, and I'll bear witness to him back then being one of the swiftest gods that I ever seen when it came to the science and building with the Aelites. And the Aelites is the other gods in the earths. And the earths are the women

that was a part of the 5% nation of the gods on earth. And the way he commanded those building sessions, and the way that he corrected those that wasn't as swift with the signs, and the way he held those accountable that said that they had been witness to certain degrees and dealt with certain degrees that they were not dealing with, was in such a profound aesthetic that I thought that he was an avenger and a superhero. You know what I mean?

Yes. Because the contrast of him being so crazy as an artist, but being such a PhD and a scholar with high science with some other shit. It was a testament to how brilliant of a mind he was. So all that digging up your nose shit and things that you were saying he was doing, yeah, he was doing that, but he was very calculated.

And I got so many stories about the God, man, it's going to turn into an old dirty bastard drink champs, man. Nah, it's so good. We love it. We appreciate it. You know what I'm saying?

We love it. I just love that brother. I love his family. Peace to the Queen, Icelene, his son, young Dirty Bastard, his beautiful daughters. And just look forward to the unbelievable collab. Me and the God got produced by the incredible Knots on Extinction Level Event 2.

The wrath of God dropping October 30th! Yeah! Now, that's another thing with you, boss, is when you, you know, J Dillers, The Knotts, and all that, like, you always seem to kind of find, like, the underground, like, you know how to balance having a commercial record, for lack of a better term, I'm going to just call it a commercial record, but then you also learn how to balance the underground of you know the J Dillers and the Nazis and all this what the fuck do you do what kind of email you got

is it gmail how do you be finding out who the next producer is because I remember you messing with J Dilla and nobody really understanding what you were doing. Like, how did you get on to J Dilla? Yeah, yeah. My big brother Q-Tip.

Wow. Q-Tip introduced J Dilla to all of us. Wow. What in the fuck? You respect that vacuum? Oh, that's the, oh. I couldn't get that shit to work at all. Fuck, now I'm offended to this scene.

Go ahead, boy. E-Nyx, you was saying something? Was the best E&R I ever met in my life, yo. Wow. Wow, wow. Yeah. Wow, wow. Thank you.

Thank you, bro. Right. Appreciate it. You came. And E-Nyx was the producer manager at Violator. The movie, that's what I'm saying. I'm going to get into that. I'm circling back.

We got E-Nyx the whole episode. I'm circling back. Let's pick up E-Nyx. We circling back. Let's pick up E-Nyx. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Was the producer manager at Valley? Enix and this is how the dots connect. That's why I so beautiful that you had Enix and now I'm here and he's here So this is divine shit. So what I'm

saying is bro was the producer manager and A&R. He was the producer manager on Violator Management. He was at A&R Violator Records. See

there's two different executive titles and one infrastructure, but distinguishably different job responsibilities. See, he had to help producers place their hits from the management side. He had to find the hits

on the A&R side. Completely done. So he had to get the beats, then get this artist to create the hits. Completely done. So he had to get the beats, then get this artist to create the hits. When it came to the A&R side, he had to bring the songs complete on the A&R side. So that's how the Violet album got done, with him. Right. So, you know, all of our records, he chose those.

Yes. It had to go through his judgment call. If he ain't sanctioned it, he wasn't on the album. He wouldn't even hear it. You know what I'm saying? So...

Yo, y'all remember Ryan and what it is right now was made in the same session. Same session, nigga. God damn it. God. I was fat as hell. I was fat as hell

that time. I was fat as hell. You was in the room and I was in the room next door. I was fat as hell. I was fat as hell in that time. You was in the living room, and I was in the room next door. I was fat as hell at that time. You remember? I'm not talking about that. Goddamn, bro. What are you talking about? Why are you worried about how fat you were at the time?

I was not confident. I was like, why am I here? I need to get in the gym. Yo, bro, we both, we both, we both got put in the same studio session in VA, same time, because of him and Chris. And they was both in the studio with us. And it was Busta with his rap. In one room, and you made Cry Me an Other Room.

And both records was produced by Pharrell. Make some noise for Pharrell. And the original video, the original video was in LA. Yes. Yes, Hype Williams did that one. Yes. Yes.

He did Grammy to it. Yes, he did Grammy to it. He did both of them. That nigga just sticking up both of them. Yes, yes, yes. For a long time. For a long time. Hey yo, build the Hype Williams.

Build the Hype Williams. Build the Hype Williams. Build the Hype Williams. Build the Hype Williams. Yo, Ike, I don't remember how many years ago this was, but I'm checking into, what's the white boy hotel that's right by, like Jimmy Kimball or one of them shits? The Roosevelt Hotel. Roosevelt. So I'm checking in, and the guy's like, what's up, Nori?

God, his beard is like this. That's how he sounded? He fucking had a skateboard and a ski board at the same time. Yeah, the ski board and the ski board. And I'm like, yo, it was Hype Williams. Oh, shit. He was skiing or some shit. I was like, what's up?

How you doing? What's up, dude? And I'm like, I didn't even know how to tell him. Like, you know, you bought me for a million dollars. I was like, yo, I'm just a great guy. I was like, you want a drink? He was like, I'll meet you back downstairs. And I had to go to Jimmy Kimmel.

This is where we talk. All right, put it right. Holy moly, guacamole. Now, boss, man. Yes, my brother. Did you go to a karate class? Right about you. Right about here? Right about here?

To teach Snickers how to keep energy on stage, that's like I don't know. That's like a different type of art, what you do. It is a martial art, bro. I know I told you earlier about you and Spiff and you staying with that was the fat feet of art, what you do. It is a martial art, bro. I know I told you earlier about you and Spiff and you staying with, that was

the fat feet of rap, but it's like a certain energy that you come out. Nigga, we went to West Indian upbringing. High school, nigga. Junior high school

and elementary school, nigga. That's school and elementary school, nigga. That's what the fuck we went to. Me and Spliff, I'm a Jamaican nigga. He a Trinidadian nigga. Hey, hey. My bro Webb is a Guyanese nigga. Y'all niggas got the United Nations in West Indies. Yeah, continue.

DJ Scratchator is a Belizean. My whole crew was Caribbean, niggas. Hip-hop was given birth to by Caribbean culture. Absolutely. Jamaica gave birth to hip-hop. There will be no turntables without two turntables. Hip-hop is Jamaican. He's a yard man. He's Jamaican.

Yard man and a bombocla. Yes. Bombocla. Don't do that. Respect. Boogie and hype. Boogie and hype. Boogie and Jamaican is one of the right hands. You boss don't do that. You're riling people up right now. So, you know, with that being said, we do have to understand that there's a lost history

that is being significantly neglected by everyone in hip-hop. Absolutely. As far as research is concerned. Yep. Nobody thinks to go to the West Indian culture to acknowledge how the birth of this culture was even conceived. And I think that that's something that I take great pride in being able to bring to the forefront on this Drink Champs platform because there ain't no other place more deemed appropriate. See, we all New York niggas.

In Miami. Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. You know, at the end of the day Miami is the segue to Jamaica right

when they get on that boat if they can't get on a plane where is the port that they enter America in absolutely Miami the port of Miami

all the immigrants that can't get on a plane they coming in by boat to Miami you're the direct conduit so I don't even gotta say that but I do have to acknowledge that part because what I was getting to

is the birthplace of hip hop you're the segue to a lot of the families that had to go to New York to actually find... Home. Home. Right. New York is the melting pot more than any other city in the entire United States for Caribbean culture.

Right. Trinidadian, Belizean, Vincentian, Trinidadian, Guyanese, Haitian, every fucking thing is in the five boroughs, concentrated more than any other city in the entire United States. So with that being said, when I say what I'm saying, my point is, with New York being the birthplace in the five boroughs, no, the Bronx in particularly. Big up my family. Big up the Bronx. Big up the Bronx.

I love my family. Salute MU. Yes, Mr. Rizal. Motherfucking Mike Booth, you know I love y'all. Ching Bing. Word is bond, Ching Bing. I already talked to you outside. You and the general of the motherfucking MU movement.

Come on now, what we talking about? Yeah. What we talking about now? You know, listen. The most significant and neglected component about the history and the research of hip-hop is its origin. Wow. We got to start changing that. Wow.

Narrative. Yep. We can't start changing that. Wow. Narrative. Yep. We can't just keep saying Kool Herc gave birth to it. Jamaica gave birth to it by way of Kool Herc. Fact. Through the Bronx.

Through the Bronx. Through the goddamn Bronx. So... Ain't nobody ashamed of that. Ain't nobody ashamed of that. Ain't nobody ashamed of that. Nobody's got to be sad. Nobody has to be sad on the record.

Oh, I do need to address this too. My brother, James Cruz, said that Puerto Ricans was gassed in hip-hop. Latinos in general. Latinos, okay, cool. I'm Cuban B. All right, cool, cool, cool. All of us.

Cool. He said we're not guests. I'm correct. We're not guests. I'm correct. We're definitely not guests. It's the way Revolt worded it. No, it's not the way Revolt worded it.

The Revolt worded it the wrong way. Okay, but I mean, I'm just going on a clip that I saw and I didn't see the whole thing, and I spoke to my brother James Cruz and he told me there was a whole thing that was missing from the clip. Yep Cool. All I'm saying is on the record if this is you're gonna be used as a clip Latino on a whole I Am NOT speaking for that I'm speaking for Puerto Rican people Which is Latino? so it's conducive

big words I like it bars bars Puerto Rican it's the hip-hop high school they all went to Puerto Rican and black people Hey, bye. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I didn't mean to take you away from your check. Please, please, please. Please keep going, because you're going deep. I didn't want to fuck it up. I just had to tell them where you were going. Where is all coming from? Amazing High School is a magnet program. Hip hop.

They get scholarships to another hip hop university somewhere that just goes around back then. Yo, easy. Puerto Ricans and blacks created hip-hop. Facts. Period. The motherfucking Bronx. And let's make some noise for that, too. In the motherfucking Bronx. Real quick before and you tell me if I'm wrong based on what you're saying. Okay, as a DJ we all I mean I think most DJs know

There would not be hip-hop. there would not be two turntables without Jamaican culture bringing it to the sound set. Listen to what I'm saying. Hip-hop is an embodiment of five elements. It ain't just DJing and rapping. That's a component in hip-hop culture.

Two significant components. Just two, though. Actually, no, it's not just two. It's two, and it's the most significant components because everything else came as a spinoff of that microphone and them two turntables. So it's the foundation. So Kool Herc still gets his credit as being the one who spearheaded the birth of the culture

But when I say it was created by Puerto Ricans and blacks is because cool hurricane create break dancing, right? Graffiti and create graffiti, right? Puerto Ricans had a lot to do with that part And that part is what helped create the embodiment of all of the five elements. Becomes a culture. Popping, breakdancing, DJing, MCing, and graffiti. It's the five elements that gave birth to the entire culture and to this day, nothing has been added to it

or taken away from it or changed it. It is the end all says all. And that's an undisputed truth. And truth don't change, only lies do. So anybody that want to talk different from that is a liar. Sorry. And I'm the last one you could argue with.

Right. My history is too long through my work and through my action. Goddamn it. And that ain't even speaking about the research that I had to invest

before I actually had the opportunity to show it through my action. Goddamn it. So if 29 years is my professional recording career legacy, if I started adding

the numbers of the research that I had to do before I even was allowed the blessed opportunity to be able to show legacy. Digging in the crates as we all kind of call it. You might have taken 35 fucking 38 years. It took me seven, eight years to research and figure this shit out before I actually got on. You feel me? So all I'm saying is I

Ain't got no time for that debate. That's a pointless debate with Buster Rhymes Just let me just share the information you take the shit and apply it the way you like let's do this shot, please Please I see how mad me you guys talk about doing a violator Something something about violin. Nicks, Nicks, you see this? You see this, right? You see my segues? No, no, no, you see, no, listen, look, you see, Nicks, first of all, I love you for this. Ayo, E-Nicks, you see where this is going, right?

Okay, cool. We had this conversation how long ago? Not even 48, 72 hours ago, right? And I see, I see how emotional you got when we started to say, like, a Violet Festival or a Violet something should be happening. Nicks, you're getting confirmation, Nicks, about my testament on this, bro. My sentiment on this, excuse me. His foresight.

And, like I said, we spoke on it earlier, but now it's time to get back to it. Like, it's time to get deep, because there's two things I want to ask you. Yeah? One, maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm retarded, maybe I'm crazy, but I still don't believe Chris Lighty killed himself. Wow, you want to go there, bro?

Wow. I'm go there, bro? Wow. I'm just saying, I just can't, am I naive? Can you, I mean, this is therapy for me, boss. You know, big up to the dudes who do hood therapy, but this therapy for me, for me, because I've never really been useful. Oh, wow. All this. I can't, I just can't, I just can't, boss.

I mean, how many years has it been it's just 2012 Chris passed right Nix yes August 30th right yes I just can't

I mean am I naive boss no you're not there's a lot of complexities with the way the information

is circulated about his passing I need y'all to stop talking and I the way the information is circulated about his passing. I need y'all to stop talking. And I really ain't asking again. Please, please, please, please, please, everybody. Really begging y'all to respect this because the place he going to now with this conversation

is a different type of emotional roller coaster. Please. This is for my emotional healing. Okay, okay. Nori, so... First things first, right? Mm-hmm. I was with Chris the day before he died.

I was on my first transformation journey. Chris saw me. I was in the best shape of my life. Not as crazy as now, but I was, for the first time, it was, it was,

it looked like, it magnified differently because it was the first time. Prior to Big Bang Theory or after Big Bang Theory? This was right around the time that, no, it's my second time getting in shape because I got in shape the first time for Big Bang. Yes, and that was 06 That was the Chris died in 2012 this is my second time getting in shape and Chris had merged with with Michael Ovitz. No, no, no, no, no, no, not Michael Ovitz.

16th Street. Yeah, 16th Street. With CeeLo Green was with them. Primary Wave. Blue. Primary Wave. Blue. Chris had merged with Primary Wave and Blue was there.

Blue was there. From Family Tree. Yeah, yeah. I come to see Chris, and for a few months before this particular moment that I'm talking about, Chris Slidy was going through a few issues. This is never, I've never disclosed this. Never spoke about this. Chris was having some issues. And he wasn't really too

articulate about what he was dealing with. But from the outside looking in, it was like he was going through some serious shit and he had to go to these retreats in Connecticut. At least that's what I thought it was, but it was outside of New York. And...

Whatever he was going to do, it was to fix and help him find a different kind of resource to balance out his spiritual-mental equilibrium. I don't really know exactly what it was that he was going through, but I know it was for the first time I've ever seen Chris since rush management days in 89 and 90. We started with him. To that time frame, it was looking like Chris' spirit was broken. I was seeing Chris for the first time

in a way that seemed like he was a ghost in a shell. You know, at Japanimation's, it looked like he was a ghost in a shell. It was like he was alive, but he wasn't alive. He wasn't really there. Right. I was hearing things. I was seeing things. I ain't disclosing all of that on this interview. But what I do know is that what it was doing to him was,

it was, it wasn't good. So, you know, Chris is, he's a man's man. And I think a very challenging thing about our reality, especially as black men, is we're not really allowed to disclose vulnerability. You know what I'm saying? You ain't really allowed to show weakness. And we also was living in a time, and I ain't talking about then, when technology was a little different,

but the standards wasn't. And when I say that, I'm saying that to say you can't let another nigga know when you in a fucked up situation because that man might use that information against you. So even when you really need help, reaching out to somebody for it was scary to do.

And can you imagine what that was like for a man that was responsible for making sure that we had all the help we needed when we needed it? He was our manager. He had to manage our lives. Neglecting managing his own. Who was managing his?

Right. Feel me? Who could he call to help him manage his right but whenever we needed him he helped us manage ours that's a very scary place to be in that's a very heavy place to be in in he had me puff I'm not talking about hey Dave of right violated days I'm talking about primary wave all of the days he had me married in Diddy excuse me me Mariah and Diddy big up to Mary J Blige by the way he had me, Mariah, Diddy. Nori, you still was there

when during the primary wave or you slid already? I'm not even sure. Primary wave was who Violet emerged with when Violet left 26th Street across the street from Henchmen Entertainment.

I never left. I never left Violet. Okay, but I'm just saying I never left. I never left all of that. Okay, but I'm just saying, I never seen Nori in the primary labor office. I never came back since these niggas got shot up. Okay, but that's my point. This shit got shot up. I don't shoot here.

Y'all taking this shit too far. That's why I'm still out here. I never came back. He wasn't coming up no more, so I ain't going to keep this show up. So that's why I asked, But what I'm saying is, fast forward, with all of the shit that I was seeing on my bro,

which was concerning in itself, was, boss, you look incredible. I want to come train with you. He had, I'm talking about Chris. he wanted to come and train with me he had an assistant that became a management rep for mines that I don't fuck with no more but I'm not nasty I'm not talking about this nigga pearl don't say his name to me. Please. I know you ain't say, you ain't do nothing wrong.

We got edits. Yes. We don't edit shit, but we edit that. Fuck. We're editing things. I don't want to talk about him. Thank you.

But he was cool at that time. All right? Chris, me and the boy talked. Chris told the boy to pack his gym clothes in a bag to go train with me the next day. Chris got in the car with me to take him to Grand Central Station to go pick up his daughter because he was coming home from college. It's the last day I seen Chris.

The next morning I get a phone call. Nine something in the morning. I wasn't told that Chris was dead. I was told that something happened to Chris. Okay. Shit happens to us all the time. What happened to Chris? We called Violator. I forget the young lady's name up at Violator

that was working with us at the time in the primary wave offices when Violator had merged with primary wave after they left 26th Street between 5th and 6th. Spoke to the young lady on the phone. She was crying. She said Chris hurt himself. Okay. I get a call from Mona Scott. She's crying too. Mona Scott tells me something bad happened to Chris. You need to come now. I called broke.

Again, I don't want to talk to you about this dude. I don't want to call his name. But I called this dude that was working as Chris's former assistant and became a young new management rep. I called him and said, look, I'm pulling up on you. I need you to come with me and take me to Chris Cribb in the Bronx. He went to Chris Cribb. I met him in Manhattan. I've been to Chris Cribb prior to that in the city.

Never in the Bronx? Never been to Chris Cribb in the Bronx. Chris had a $5 million Cribb. In the Bronx? In the city. Two, three blocks away from the Violator office on 26th Street. Okay, yeah. So was he having a live in the Bronx? He lost that crib and went back to the Bronx.

Is that weird to you? That is weird because, again, this shit that went down that I can't get into on this camera. With who he was fucking with. That regressed his hard work and his progress back to having to go to the Bronx from where he was at. He had a crib on Fifth Ave, bro.

If it wasn't Fifth Ave, it was in the proximity. It was three, four blocks away from Violator. Park Ave. It wasn't on Park Ave, King. Because Park Ave went the other way towards the east

from the Violator office. His shit was going towards the west from the Violator office. But hear what I'm saying. Hear what I'm saying, King. 26th Street valet, there was a one-way going towards the west side. Park Ave was towards the east side.

His crib was towards the west side. I believe it was off of 6th Avenue, because that street went upwards, which was 6th, and his crib was like two blocks away from 26 like 24th off of 6th Ave it was a building to the right go inside it was two multi-million dollar condos that he connected together as one and that became the $5 million crib. Now, not to get too much into that, Chris ended up back in the Bronx,

and when we get to the crib, Chris was dead already. You actually went to the house? I was at the house, and I watched Chris' body come out of the house in a black bag and put into a vehicle with no windows in it an ambulance

or a car in a vehicle excuse me I saw that myself and I stood out there and I beefed with Mike I saw that myself. And I stood out there, and I beefed with Mike Lighty, Mona Scott, A.B. Butler, some of the other Violator members, the original violator members, Chris, Ali, and the rest of them brothers, about where was Chris Lighty's belongings going to go because everybody from Chris' side wanted his belongings out of that house

and taken to a storage place that they controlled the key of. His widowed wife at the time was trying to fight that with her family. And this was a horrible day. This day was a day where who fucks with me the most about this shit is because, you know being the the first violator artist Chris never came to my studio sessions you feel me so Chris Chris Chris. Chris. He started coming to my studio sessions in 2011. Mind you, I've been doing this with him since 89, 90.

I signed my deal December 12, 1989, when I was 17. I'm 48 years old now, bro. So, he never came to my studio sessions. So, you know, I used to watch when all the other incredible artists came to the roster and he was moving around with them to their movie sessions. But he set up all your incredible studio sessions.

He set up, no, he didn't set up none of my studio sessions. Chris ain't had nothing to do with my studio sessions. Chris set up all of my incredible studio sessions. He set up, no, he didn't set up none of my studio sessions. Chris ain't had nothing to do with my studio sessions. Chris set up all of my incredible record deals. But I'm not going to lie, Buzz,

I don't think you needed anybody. You were set up in sound. Yeah, no, I'm a micromanager. I'm hands-on about my life. I would go to soundtracks and they would be like, are you a buster? I'm like, geez, Luis.

No, but that's my West Indian shit, though. My mom's, my mother, are you a buster? I'm like, geez, Luis. Nah, but that's my West Indian shit though. you know, my mom's, my mother, she, um. You would take over any studio you ever,

like, just rented. Any studio that I had the opportunity to work in, I'm booking my own session. I'm signing my own invoice on the POs and. To this day.

To this day. I'm paying for my own studio time. I told you yesterday he was in the studio. That's a motherfucking fact. I can't even remember. I get up and I'm like, this nigga boss is gone.

About to go to sleep. But Chris never came to my studio sessions. So to see when LL and 50 and Missy and Nas and Mob and Nori and everybody came to this, Valley the family, and he was popping up to sessions and from the other artists from Rasta and it wasn't coming to mind. That fucked with me. I'm not going to lie.

Wow. I never knew that. It fucked with me. Never knew that. But the way I was raised was to not complain. It was just about doing what you needed

to do to make the big homie pull up to your session. Right. Because nobody cares when you complain anyway. Mm-hmm. Nobody ain't listening

to your complaints. Mm-hmm. They got a bunch of shit to complain about too. Mm-hmm. But if they ain't burdening you with they complaining,

then what the fuck you going to burden them with yours for? Do your job. So, I tapped into a frequency, somehow, the most high-aligned stars in the universe for me, man. And I just started making some shit that made Chris feel like he needed to pull up to my sessions and my nigga. He pulled up.

And not only did he pull up, man, he started pulling up so regularly on an unannounced level, it was almost like he had something to prove to the people that he was talking to about my shit. And he was like, oh, you don't believe me? Let me bring you to the studio so you can see that what I'm saying is truth. I'm not finished. You're not going to interrupt me, Nori. I'm not going to interrupt you. I'm going to obviously fall back.

Thank you. Love is love. Love is love. This is important to me. That's why I just want to get it off. Let me just finish this part. My brother came to the studio with his children and made me press play. He came to the studio with other movie and television execs and made me press play.

He pulled up with other powerful music industry execs and made me press play as a proud big brother and a proud father of Busta Rhymes' career. Wow. proud father of Busta Rhymes' career. So as I watched him chaperone the whole planet with 50, LL, sometimes Nori,

sometimes Mob, and he wasn't pulling up to my shit. When he finally decided to pull up to my shit when he finally decided to pull up to my shit and then he died. Right. You know how that made me

feel? I'm not going to lie. That shit fucking hurt, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, Chris sent me an email in my Blackberry, and bro was like, yo, I'm proud of you. This is 2011.

I'm proud of you, bro. He goes, you finally did it. Pink Floyd didn't record their greatest album called The Wall until their eighth album. You finally caught that train. Congratulations, Busta Rhymes. Oh, so now you're telling me that I'm... And this is ELE too.

Back in 2011. I started this album in 09 11 years ago So he tells me this in 2011 and then you die you don't live to chaperone around the planet with me I Feel cheated I'm being shortchanged. This ain't fair. This ain't right. This ain't right. I was the first here.

I don't get my turn, nigga. I'm sorry Nah That would be sorry Nah man That's real shit So I didn't I lose my father too

while I made this album I lose Chris Laddy and I lose my daddy making this album niggas wanna know why it took so long to put out an album

I was going through all kind of shit, nigga. I had to lose weight. I had to find refuge in people that didn't mean as much to me as Chris and my father. And I started to walk around with this smile like I was doing well. That's a hard thing to fucking do. And I ain't looking for no sympathy. I just want to share because I want niggas to know

pain that you go through too, you can look at me and see your pain in me. Because ain't none of us exempt from suffering. That's all this is about that I'm sharing. And it's therapeutically beautiful for me because I'm finally in a space in my life where I'm comfortable enough to share it. Not long it took for me to start having

these kind of conversations with the public. Not many years I've been walking around with this shit afraid to talk about it because I don't want niggas to use this vulnerability against me again nice strength man you don't know that at the time when you go I'm saying they can't they because I feel the same thing that you feel. We all feel that. Norwin, you asked a question that I ain't even respond to yet.

You said, did Chris kill himself because you can't believe it? I can't. Is it me? I'm going to say this to you. Is it me? I don't want to believe it. What he was going through. It won't allow.

Well, we know if Chris won't allow us to accept that possible reality but what he was going through I don't know if we understood the significance of how serious it was neither feel me

so I don't have the answer for that but I'm going to leave you with that. You can take that and walk with it and figure out what it is that you think I might be saying. But what I am saying is there ain't no statute or limitation to a murder, neither. That says a lot. So, I ain't going to stop until I get to the bottom of it. I need to take a break yeah about this when it came to bro because

he does not his value and his significance in other people's lives are not the same as it is in ours what he means to us a lot of people can't relate to that you know what I'm saying

it doesn't resonate the same way when you talk about him to them if he did not impact your life in the way that he impacted ours. You know what I mean? So it's actually a pleasure and an honor to be able to disclose these feelings with people that I know. You and him, y'all know Chris. You know what I'm saying? He know Chris like how I know, you and him, y'all know Chris. You know what I'm saying?

He know Chris like how I know Chris. You know Chris because you had to deal with Violator when he was alive and at his apex. Absolutely. So our understanding, Enix understanding, Spliff understanding, Fuzzy understanding, even Webb, right? Webb used to share management credit with Mona Scott

and Chris Lighty as a co-manager for me. Wow. You can look at the credits for my first three solo albums and see managers Kevin Webb Welch for Flip Mode management and Chris Lardy

and Mona Scott for Violator management. Real shit. And it's my brother who introduced me to how to survive as a 15-year-old in a Reaganomics era.

It's his fault. We already established. No, it's they fault. With the two of them, Spliff and Webb. So, so. And you don't want no big head Spliff, right? No. That's one of the established.

No, I'm enjoying my Gurkha cigars. Gurkha cigars. I feel like you know the owner of Gurkha. Yes, I do. Big up to Kaizad for my Gurkha cigars. Gurkha cigars. I feel like you know the owner of Gurkha. Yes, I do. Big up to Kaizad from her Gurkha cigars. You're so rich, I'm counting your money. Now, again, about Chris. I just felt like when you was talking about festival shit with Violator

and how emotional you see me get. Probably the only time I see you get emotional. That is in direct correlation with the fact that from 2012 to now, we ain't organized nothing to honor the violated legacy other than trying to talk on a fucking podcast about how great he was. That shit is corny to me, though.

I don't want to talk about Chris on nobody's podcast. I'm only doing it now because I'm with my brothers. That was a part of the Valley, the legacy. On the other person that asked me to do it. And I actually told him I ain't with it with Fat Joe. Because I told Fat Joe, like I'm going to tell you Nori. And like I told E Joe like I'ma tell you Norrie and like I told E-Nyx something's wrong with the fact that we ain't do

nothing to uphold or violate a legacy properly I got a song on my album called Deep Thought and I specifically address how we ain't screaming violated like we used to. And my biggest problem with that is, damn, didn't he introduce all of us to a different tax bracket?

He turned us all, every last one of us, into rich niggas, man. Our whip game changed, our jury game changed, our crib game changed. Yep. Him and Mona Scott, Eric Nix, James Cruz, Claudine Joseph, Lori Dobbins, Claudine Joseph, Gayle Hanson, Akina Rockman, Laura Ceosia, Mike Lighty. Who's the homegirl for love of hip hop right now? Akina Rockman, Laura Ceosia, Mike Lighty. What's the homegirl for love of hip-hop right now?

Yandy. Yandy. Come on now. Stop front on Yandy. Let's never front on Yandy. Can't front on Yandy. No. I knew Yandy as a kid. Our team was, it was Avengers for real.

Yeah, it was Avengers, bro. So to have that kind of support, and I'm not even saying everybody named. There's so much others. So much others that was intricate to the whole puzzle. And forgive me for not saying everybody named, but there was incredible people that were coming in and out of the infrastructure

at different times of the evolution of Violator. And they played significant roles at those times. And we have done the Violator legacy a complete and total injustice. And we should be ashamed of ourselves. I'm being honest with you. And I'm included. We're all included.

We're all guilty of that. I don't want to talk about Violator unless we're doing something. I talked about it tonight because I wanted everyone that is and has been a part of the Violator legacy to realize how much we should be ashamed of ourselves. Me, you, to LL, Bad Joe, Nas, 50 Cent, everybody. We should have done. We should have, Missy. We should have got together this. And it ain't too late. Yeah, there's We should have done it. We should have, Missy, we should have got together this. And it ain't too late.

Yeah, there's no should have. Y'all can. We still can. That's the beautiful light at the end of the tunnel. Now, what we do moving forward is a testament to whether or not we live by our word or not. I'm going to ask a tough question. Why do you think there wasn't one person to step up to say,

let me take this. Why do you think I didn't do that? Why do you think you didn't do that? Or me didn't? Take up to say I'm going to give you one reason. And as ugly as it might sound I'm trying to find the right way to say this Because I do want to be mindful of not offending anybody.

I think once you come from the heart, no one will be offended. Maybe it's more of a question than a statement. How much did we really love Chris? We all love Chris. I don't think... I said, how much did we really love Chris? We all love Chris. I don't think... I said, how much did we love Chris? Yes. I ain't questioning whether or not we did love him. I'm questioning how much did we love him. How much did we appreciate him?

Obviously, we fell short somewhere. Right. That's the common denominator, my nigga. Not enough was done. Not enough was done, which is a horrible truth about how much we really loved him because if we felt like he was worth going through whatever the due diligence was, we would have done it. Right.

Okay, let's learn from this and let's create the upswing. Right, get it done. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're not going to sit here and act like errors ain't made to be corrected. Positive education always corrects errors. That's the acronym of peace. Peace is the absence of confusion. Let's not confuse the situation any further

and positively educate ourselves so that it can always correct the error. Now let's correct the fucking error. That's why I pointed it out in my album, in a song called Deep Thought, on extinction level event two, the wrath of God. God damn it.

So now, we have been discussing things, me and Eric Nix in particularly, about planning for 2021 situation to honor the legacy of our brother. It's like 12 days away, but I'm still scared. No, 2021. Not 2020. You said 12 days away. 2021, right? 2021.

It's definitely not 12 days away. It's not. 2021, right? 2021. It's definitely not 12 days away, but... You didn't mean that literally. You didn't mean it literally, is what you said. It's right around the corner, I got you. It's right around the corner. 2021 is around the corner. It wasn't going to be an early 2021 thing that we was going to try to organize. We was going to try to organize it like late summer.

Excuse me, August 2021. You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing.

That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. That kind of thing. that we was going to try to organize. We was going to try to organize it like late summer. Excuse me, August 2021. You know what I'm saying?

That kind of time frame. Correct, Nix? Yes. Okay. Yes. So my brother is already taking the lead on it. Discussions we've been having for the last two weeks, three weeks. And I got with E-Nix because he's a facilitator.

He ain't with the talk shit. Talk that talk shit. He a silencer. He a silencer. Enix is a silencer. You know what I'm saying? You need that in order to facilitate. We great with the mouthpiece.

That's why we lyricists. Exactly. He ain't rapping. He's about doing. Making it done. He's rapping in a different way. The combination of the both is what makes the magic happen. So, that's the goal.

And I just hope we don't get to a crossroads where we got to deal with unnecessary obstacles that can block the blessing. Right. As long as we don't go through something that we can't get around,

this is going to happen and we going to organize this in a way so that the kids are straight, his mom's are straight, the people that directly needs to be taken care of is taken care of. And then whatever the mother, Chris's mother,

deems suitable with the kids that the rest of the proceeds should go to. That's where it's going to go. And Allah willing, this comes to fruition in the most magical and flawless way possible. And shit, man, I'm going to do everything on my side within my means to see this shit through. A to Z. We're going to cross every T and we're going to dot

every fucking I. And we're going to make sure that we see this shit through the way we're supposed to see it through. And that's what I got asked for. You know what I'm saying? Let's make some noise for that.

And anyway, we can help as well. Anyway, we go For the shop and then we'll do our slide Quick time a slide real quick. This is this is this a commitment from Nori Eric mix ask the question. You need to answer it. I said a question Actually the game with nobody talking while you talking. You guys, you made me some noise, right? What? For the Violator Festival.

100%. I just need you to listen to that. Look at Drink Champs is hosting. What are you talking about? No, but in addition to that, we need you to perform as a violin, a fucking artist. You got to ask a Violator artist. OK, shoot.

I need to hear that, too. I want to hear about Drink Champs. I want to hear it, too. Hold up, hold up. I'm on their side. I'm on their side. All right, boss. This is fucking good. You want to come about them drink champs. I want to hear it too. Hold up, hold up. I'm on they side. I'm on they side. All right, all right, boss.

You're fucking good. You want to come in and pull us up, boss? I'll be busting A's out there. Like this. Yeah, I've been doing far and far. No, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

I don't like that dance. You can't do that. I'll be disrespectful. Listen, Spiffstar, in my mind, Spiffstar's covered all the new Brooklyn. Wumpties, woompties. Wait a minute. Hey, yo, Spliff. Hey, what's with? Please yeah, yeah, I know a lot this this is a whole new wave

But Smith gave me this wave like four years ago and hit back to me told me about this is a new case of Brooklyn. I Need you to say this over by split version of in the room. He got to hear you address it properly. He's coming. He's coming right now. Spliff. All right, fine. All right, fine. I'll drink more A's and talk of that shit to Smith.

Spliff. Give him your chair, goddammit. Give him a chair. Pull up, pull up, pull up. Morris, give him a chair. Give him a chair. Bring him a chair. Listen, listen.

They got him a chair. Listen, Smith, stop. We out of here. You all right? Come on. There's a whole... Listen, Smith, stop. Give him a chair. Bring him a chair. Yo, listen, listen. They got him a chair. They got him a chair. Listen, Swift, stop. We out of here. You want a mic? There's a whole... Listen, Swift, stop. Give him a mic! What's up? You want a mic? I got it. I got it.

All right, you got to talk. This is a... Just project. You're good. You're good right there. You can go kick talk. Just project. Project. No, he's good. He's good. I got you. Yeah, show him. I got you. I'm the first nigga to put you in the rap game.

Just relax. All right, then. Put the mic over there. This thing, you put you in the rap game. Relax. All right, then. Put the mic over there. This is Rhyme, the grumble. This is Rhyme, the grumble. All right, you ready? Nah, that mic's not on yet. Hold on.

Y'all took that shot already? No, no, no. No, no, no. Buss, you got an L shot right there, brother. It's ice. The ice elevated it. Oh, okay, okay. A lot of ice. Okay, okay. I'm getting. The ice elevated it. Oh, okay, okay. It's a lot of ice.

Well, I'm getting fucked up over there. Take a shot. Appreciate it. Hey. Ah. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Dale que tu puedes.

Hey, yo, talk to Split. Wait a minute. Give him a shot. Yeah, Split, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My brother need a shot. I'll take, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My brother need a shot. I take this. That's what we doing. The whole bottle, just go for it. Put a cube of ice in there for him, though.

He don't need to drink no hot liquor, yo. He give us ice. Split don't drink. Split bun down the room, though. Split bun down the room. All right, ready? You pour a little bit more. A little piece.

Jesus. Poquito. What's the ice in this shit? Mr. Lee, you gonna take it on a date, bro? You gonna take it on a date? Don't roll up. Gimme, gimme, gimme. Oh, got you.

Now, we move, we was going straight into a point with you, Spliff. Okay. Not Bust, no. He know where you going with it. What was the point? We was going straight into a point. He was going into the no he know where you're going with it he was going into the brooklyn artist that you feel like spliff discovered yeah you said spliff discovered a wave and you said he brought it he brought it to you like four years ago yeah listen you told me like four years ago you was talking about these artists and i'm looking at you i think it was called Paper Rock. Yeah, Paper Rock. I called it Paper Rock Gang. And now you showing me these pictures, all these artists now. Who you talking about in particular?

Oh. No, who he talking about in particular? I'm asking a script, please. Oh, okay. I'm just making sure I'm clear. They're known as, you see the little ice cream one, it's like Dr. Suck. His name is Swipey. You got Fabio Foran. Fabio Foran, that's right. They connect the whole 800 Foran side.

Handsome Baller, all of them. They was all with Paper Rock. Yes. At one time, I had all of them. I had different, you know, they were doing the gang shit. And I kid you not, Spiff, you told me, and I was like, you sure? And I was like, yo, it's not because I'm a real easy guy. I just want to go out there and do my own thing for a second.

Right. And I doubted you. I know. It's okay. No, as a friend. You're my friend. Like, I was just like, but you know what? I also supported you. I doubt, doubt, doubt support. Doubt support, huh? That's a good one right now.

It was called the support. Doubt support everybody here. But then four years later, I said, yo, every guy told me. Was when? It's out here like that. Far away, far away. And that's the way Nori dances all the time, bro. I'm doing it too.

I'm doing it as they got me. Yeah, but I saw the wave a long time ago. It's just like when Drake went to Sylvia, they said no. Jay-Z went to whoever, they said no. You know, sometimes people don't catch it yet. I just saw something. I just wanted to put my next to this. Was this a Blackfish movement or this was?

Nah, this was a Pitch Without You movement. This was Flipstar training camp. This was, I learned from the greats. From around Busta Rhymes and around Dr. Dre. Puppies, this and that, Pharrell. From the Norris, I absorbed it. I'm a hustler, that became a rapper. Not a rapper that's trying to be a hustler.

So I absorbed it, just like how we do on the street. We absorb, we see, we bag it out. We put it on the shelf, we know what it is. So you've seen far and far, bro. What you said? Fabio. Where was he at? He was, they're all from the nine. They're all from Brownsville, Bedside, East New York,

Flatbush, you know what I mean? Some of these guys are Blood, some of them are Crips, and some of them are Folk. But this is the first time actually I had Blood, Crip, and Folk together in a studio. Wow, together. It looked like this. Wow.

It looked just like this. Yeah. And I went to Miami. I got a record on them called Swipey. I saw the video and everything and it went kind of good. It was 9 million views on the Worldstar and all that. And I was like, okay, good. You're going to go vocal.

Weekend in Miami for 2015. You know, bus pull up, I'm in Miami, bus pull up, you see a bunch of niggas. Bus like, what the fuck going on here? You see a bunch of bust out, ee, run out. You talking about who's in front of the sneaker store, sold it? Yeah, first pull up, yeah. Yo, you know.

You didn't believe in the movie? Yo, man, for real. Like, I just did everything I watched and see what everybody do. I did it, man. I'm buying some sneakers at Soulz Inc. on Washington Ave. Y'all know the sneaker store I'm talking about. You know, you know what sneakers don't talk about. That's what I'm saying.

Wait, you talking about Sonny? Yeah, I'm talking about Sonny. Sonny don't go there. Sonny don't go there. He knows about it, but he don't go there. He go to the flea market, bro. He go USA flea market, bro. He go USA Flea Market. Sonny, yo, no disrespect.

Yo, no disrespect to Sonny, but he go in the USA Flea Market. Yo, Sonny. Yo, yo. Let's pretend. Go back to it. You know. You know. You know. You know. You know. We out there right now.

Get out of here. Yo, you know, you know, Sonny. You know. You know about that shit, right? So let's go back to you know. You know about Soulzang. So let's go back to you. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. You know about Soulzan.

You know about that shit, bro. OK, so, so, so, so. I'm in. This is, this is, this is, this is take two. This is like Star Wars. This is take two. Slay it. Take three.

Oh, yes. Slay it. Slay it. Slay it. Slay it. Take three. Done. Oh.

You know. All right. So, Busset, you know about Soulzan. I know about that. All right, K. I know about that. All Alright, so bust it. You know about Soulz Inc. I know about that. I came. I know about that. Alright, so. I think you're making my homie feel special.

I feel special for him. I buy some sneakers. I buy two t-shirts. I come out of Soulz Inc. Spliff got a Sprinter in front of Soulz Inc. Fabio Farrin, Swipee, all of these artists. 800 Farrin's side. Whole clique.

They performing their songs on B-levels. Like, they on top of the sprinter bouncing around like wild jelly beans they inside the sprinter they on the curb I come outside wild jelly beans

I'm going to great spliff and spicy trying to talk to me and I don't and I don't really know him yet so as I'm going to approach spliff swipey swipey was being a little aggressive about me not acknowledging him so the way he was addressing me I couldn't understand it like He's on dust, to be clear. No, he wasn't on nothing.

I'm thinking you thought that. Wait, Angel? I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like. I've been down that road. No, this young nigga's aggressive. You sleep with Coco? Or Angel does. I get what you're saying, King.

I mean, there's sometimes they be aggressive. I'm not saying. He's not speaking from a literal place. I got you, King. Okay, go. Our angel does. I get what you're saying, King. I mean, sometimes they be aggressive. I'm not saying. He's not speaking from a literal place. I got you, King. Okay, cool. But what was transpiring was there was an energy that felt like it was a little excessive in the moment from the young bro. And we was getting ready to get into something. obsessive in the moment from the young bro and We was getting ready to get into something

Me and swipey swipey look like spliff child They literally look the same You know what? Be 100%. I'm not even going to lie. There might need to be a blood test. You look at the lyrics right now. Might be my time. You should look at the lyrics. You be having an upper-case presentation. We all joking. We just joking.

Absolute jokes. Absolute jokes. All right. We joking. First of all, big up, big up, big up. Big up to Swipey and big up, big up, big up. Big up to Swipey and big up to fucking Fabio Farrin. Make noise for him.

Now, Spliff introduced me to them before anybody heard them. Spliff been working with them, molding, shaping them, grooming them before the world heard them. I done seen Spliff at Airbnbs with them jumping in and out of swimming pools just happy to be away from

the five boroughs. I saw all of this. I didn't connect with them because I needed to respect protocol. These are spliff soldiers. He they general. Right.

I'm not trying to intervene and act like I'm on some Busta Rhymes shit. No. My brother is spliff star, nigga.

Like, y'all should be appreciative that y'all are with my fucking brother. And he been around me long enough to know how to lead. He's that leader. Let me stay out the way. See, sometimes you gotta

know when to get out the way. Right. See, a lot of niggas don't know when to get out the way. And sometimes that leads to blessings being blocked. When you don't know to get out the way and sometimes that leads to blessings being blocked when you don't know to get out the way you could block a blessing I'm never going to try to block my brother's blessing when I see him leading and doing a great job at leading now if my brother needs to answer a question or two when it comes to anything,

leading or even something that's way off the record from dealing with his business, I'm always going to be the resource to him because he's always been a resource to me. Right. But... Beautiful thing. Amazingly beautiful thing.

Special thanks for that. I also want to say one time, you know, Spiff tried to give me this smoke of cigarette in the bathroom of the airplane. He looked at me and said, noorey, this is what I do on there. I want to say though, Norey is the first artist out of my circle to put me on there. No, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me say it right.

Let me give him a pass, boss. I want to say it right. I want to say it right. I want to say it right. I want to say it right. Splitface I want to say it right. I want to say it right. I want to say it right. Spliff ain't say it right. Why you talking? Introduce it, doggy.

Spliff, Nori is the first artist out of the elite group of MCs to believe in Spliff enough to put Spliff on a record when Spliff ain't have his own shit out here. And if this honestly say, um, who's the producer, Todd? Talk to this mic, cause the mic... I seen my rakes, nigga, you talkin' about that nigga that did it who shot ya. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You was on a serious joint. I was, and um...

I don't know, what you score the nigga that you say? He say, uh, Lassie? What do you... I don't know, what do you... This is Selassie-eye. I was and he definitely he called me up I went to daddy house and recorded that yo and spliff told me like no we probably dad was split directly yeah he He was getting on the record. Like, Norrie Polly dealt with Spliff directly. He ain't call me to get Spliff. He dealt with Spliff directly. Damn, I'm a real nigga. You telling me how long I been a real nigga? That's a real nigga.

That's a real nigga. Bro ain't call me to be like, yo, I need you to get your artist, Spliff. No, he had his own relationship with Spliff. Spliff had his own relationship with him. When I heard that was happening, I was like, oh, y'all niggas ain't leaving me off this. But let's be clear, boss. Because everyone always asks this.

I did the moonwalk slide up in that motherfucker and ended up on that record, too. Fuck you mean, man? When they hear Driver Seat from the War Report, everybody thinks that you were on this record and Elektra didn't clear it. So what happened? It was never that they—they never even asked me to rhyme on it. You just talked to them. It had nothing to do with no Elektra not clearing it. Just backup vocals?

They only wanted me to talk. My brothers didn't. Just backup vocals? They only wanted me to talk. My brothers didn't want me to rap. They just wanted me to talk. No, but that's the rumor. Was that enough for y'all? That's my point. The rumor is false. So what is the truth?

The truth is they did not ask me to rap. That's the truth? That's the truth. You just wanted to talk about that. Bro, the clearance was not denied because they didn't ask for a verse to begin with. But the source had wrote an article where they was like, what's the,

and Nas, because what happened was, music made these thoughts calm down, and Nas, and they related these two records all right whoa and what happened was he's right because I just you know it was the last thing on the album but it seemed like it didn't clear cuz boss was such a big artist and remember nice the music we just don't come down it's not on the work and bust clear because Boss was such a big artist. And remember, nah. The music when your stuff comes down, it's not on the workbook. And Boss,

you're not credited on the CNN either. Are you? I don't recall. Is he? I don't recall. I don't think he's credited on it. Because I think that was a discrepancy as DJs. You were like, I don't see the person I know that's on the record credited on the record. know that's on the record credit on the record.

So that's the reason why N.O.R.E. it was my time. It was like yo you know what? If I'm gonna fail I'm gonna go to the top. I'm gonna do it my way. And I remember so I said

fuck it. And I called you, Spiff. And I said, yo man, I want you to drive on bars. And you, you, in my mind. I ain't gonna lie, that call surprised the shit out of me because it came from an MC that I paid very close attention to, not just because of his lyrics,

but I'm a, I'm a, I play, I play the drums. I don't think people know this. As a matter of fact, I know people don't know this. Sorry. I play the drums. I got my first Remo drum set, six-piece Remo drum set when I was eight years old,

my father. $600 drum set. It was blue with white skins on my tom-tom snares and my kick drum. And I'm a very rhythmic motherfucker. So when it comes to rhyming, being in the pocket of a beat and becoming an instrument with the music is intricately important to me. It's not just about how cool you can say shit.

It's about how amazingly cool you can say shit. In the pocket. In the pocket and in a rhythm and a timing that makes the feeling so much more exuberant. Because me and another motherfucker can say the same rap. But my timing and how I'm going to marry the pocket of where I'm going to sit, the syllables, the bars, the verse, the metaphors, the punchlines, in the pocket of the beat and how I marry that is going to be different from your timing in your pocket. A.K.A. the flow.

Yeah, because the feeling is going to be different from how it resonates with me and how it resonates with you. Right. So with that being said, that one component distinguishes the difference with you. So, with that being said, that one component distinguishes the difference between how you feel about my rhyme

when I say it, and how you feel about the same rhyme when somebody else say it. Right. So, Your rhyme was so definitively there. My point is this, Nori Circling back to you this is this is why it was a big deal to me when you called spliff

So let me finish making my point point so when the first war report album came out and I heard T-O-N-Y niggas try shit on me make history supposedly I was the man who was supposed to be ahead of the clique when he did that rhyme don't die smoke bogey rhyme like shinobi that said die on the cross like a Christian. Yo nigga. He's nervous about this right now. Listen, listen, I looked at that nigga. Let me explain something.

He's like, not me. Let me explain something. Let me explain something. Nicks, no I'm not bugging. This is bone chilling rap. This is what we used to call that. Bone chilling rap. Where?

You hear you. You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? Nicks, no I'm not bugging. This is bone-chilling rap. This is what we used to call that. Bone-chilling rap. Where?

We know what we was going through when that nigga did that. That first ride there did something to us bad. Down the cross like a Christian. Fuck you, professor. Fuck you? What? Listen, nigga, let me explain something. The lyrics is one thing. Fuck you. What? Listen.

Nigga. Let me explain something. The lyrics is one thing. His voice and the pocket that that rhyme was sitting in was making me feel a little nervous about this thing. I called Chris Lighty. I told you I was going to tell this story in the earlier part of the show. I called Chris Lighty. I told you I was going to tell this story in the earlier part of the show. I called Chris Lighty. I said, Chris, we need this nigga on the team.

Sign him now. On God. You knew. I told Chris to sign Nori now. And Chris signed Nori on my word and that nigga put a plaque on the wall every single time a project came out after that discussion N-O-R-E Melvin Flint

every fucking thing after that you owe me nothing I don't know how much I'm gonna owe you at some point you owe me nothing I don't know I don't know this is what we established you owe me nothing no we're not

establishing shit I think it matters to you we're not establishing this is what we established this is what we established we are establishing

the fact that I don't think people realize see everybody is so caught up in the new Nori success that they forget the origin of Nori.

The history. Well, I'm not going to lie, boss. Today is about you. And I want to... It's about us. How about that? It is about us, nigga. It's about us. How about that? It's about us, nigga. It's about us.

It's about us. But I'm going to be honest, boss. I get no better pleasure of, you know, bigging up other people. And I get no better brother than being my own brother. A person that I really love and respect, but fuck all that.

I was a fan of you before I even knew who you were. Thank you, brother. Man, that's so beautiful that I can sit here. That's the beauty of this right here. That's why I do drink champs. It's because I want to pick up and you Know we fought from finish see this, this the thing that y'all need to understand.

This opportunity that I'm getting to sit with EF and Inari, this is over. All right, so how Patti LaBelle and Gladys Knight did it on the verses, they was like, you know, collectively between the two of them, it was like a hundred and something years ago. Can I stop you for a second? Right. Because I had a part in that. It was like a hundred and something years ago can I stop you for a second it was like a hundred and something years ago the only drink champs ever sold

we ever did and never used was Buster Rhymes but let's say why let's say why the reason why we did not use the drink champs that we shot before was because Nori

went blank on me because his brother, no, let me finish. Nori's brother, close friend, dear friend, died in the middle of our interview. In the middle, the beginning. The beginning. And Nori got the

email or the text, excuse me, as we were starting. You see the difference in the intro I gave you? Yes. And once I go. No, he died. He died when he was taping the. As I was trying to.

We was on camera and he was caught dying on camera. My little big brother. He didn't ask me a question for 30 minutes straight and I saw something was wrong so I kept talking to try to fake that something was wrong and

when I realized that I was going too long without him saying something to me I said this can't be done this way we just came off of doing drink champs with tribe I don't want no shit that ain't gonna be it ain't gonna meet that standard or be greater so we can't put this out right let me tell you what I appreciate the most is that y'all honored that request.

Absolutely. Because you know what? Let's tell them, we've done 200 episodes. We have never can't. Fuzz, are you hearing this shit, bro? He's the only one we've ever done that with. You're the only one we ever can.

But when you said it to me... I have the ultimate respect. But the beautiful thing is this. This is the difference. Yeah. I could understand and really appreciate that if I was the one that said I don't want it to come on. Because I was just on some extra diva shit, right? Diva ain't the right word.

That applies to women. But what I'm saying is if I was Super extra Acid eating shit and y'all honored it out of the mic damn I was really being a little selfish and inconsiderate but no I was also being sensitive to what my brother was going right now And you didn't know that you said I knew it after you said to me there was something wrong about that shit So I look at unknown. I don't look at no episode So when you I look back at it, and I give you the same Intro that I gave you here. I tried to release right, but it's made it

That you got the moves yeah, you know I Just killed it. It was three different messages I got. I don't want to be like too, too. It's like, yo, Slime just killed herself. Slime got shot. Slime got murdered. So, I don't know how to answer which one.

Because I got my bro here. Bro you in the moment of some other shit. No I couldn't even comprehend what you was dealing with in that moment. This is why, when we started it, this is when we got the drink chance. We got the beautiful spot. Everything is beautiful. We in Miami shit lit. I'm vibing crazy.

This is super sexy. And I'm like, as I gave you the intro, I was like, boom, that shit hit me. I was like, oh. That's why when you hit me, I said, yo, bro, I'm not sure. We were all there in the same. In sync is the word.

I said, damn, bro. No, I saw the pain, bro. Yeah, I couldn't even deal with it. I saw the pain bro yeah I saw that pain bro and it was it was terrible what you was enduring at that time and I just I just tried to disguise it as much as I could and when I realized that I was talking so long and you couldn't even like I was hoping that there was a moment Bro would be able to feed off of me Keeping it going His tire was flat and

It was crazy you sit right yeah you were sitting right there you didn't know because you know why you didn't know i didn't know but you you you also didn't say nothing because you see you realized something wasn't right but you didn't know what it was and And I'm looking at you also hoping that you would jump in and give me something. And the two of y'all just was, because you so in sync with him, y'all feed off each other.

So when you wasn't getting it from him, he was like, you trying to figure out your brother. You trying to help figuring out your brother. Couldn't figure it out because he wasn't telling you and you ain't know what was going on so you trying to help him and can't

you trying to help me and can't so you you was in a whole another fucking place your friend your friend was finished too and he didn't even know why

it just was the energy was wrong and we needed to dead it. That was it. Let's make some noise for that. Just so y'all know why we applauded dead in it

is because we being sensitive to each other's pain. Which is what a lot of motherfuckers need to learn how to do each other's crutch keep each other up that's what is important but boss you're the first bird you check me on it and we did it and then when I look back on it I couldn't understand at first we look back on it and I said dad I understood I understood still where we was at on the angle and I understood that I couldn't have ever done.

What I'm doing right now, I couldn't have ever done that. This was, you know, you ever brought it in the trunk? Of course. I took it out of the trunk. You want a little big brother? How does a bottle in your trunk start, you motherfucker? Of course. Don't Google it. Don't Google it. Don't Google it. You better not put on a fucking front. You know what? I credit him for that. I credit him for that.

Get out the more, man. Oh, shit. I'm gonna get burned. I'm gonna let them see it. The way you came across, you're on set now. Beat it. I fought your bro. I didn't see the good name. I wouldn't let him see it. The way he came across you, I said, nah, I beat it. Boom! I fought with you. The strong way for that. I reacted.

That said, chill, welcome. Yeah. I fought with you for that. Yeah, so... That's beautiful. So, that's one of my best friends. And then, as we, me and Boss talked about... You see how the Garling links lay different, right?

You see, I don't know if y'all peep it. It's a little subtle. You see how the link lay around his neck different now, right? She was going around his neck the wrong way. We had to fix that. The God links is laying right now, son. I'm not going to lie, but you never fell off. That's an impossibility, beloved.

I'm going to be honest. You never fell off. I've been humble this whole Drake Champs episode. I was also taught to hold my Johnson with pride. There you go. You know?

I'm never going to fall off because I love it too much. I'm too much in love with the culture. The game has been great to me and my family. And I don't know what else has offered me

a greater opportunity to be able to do something that I love and be able to take care of my family simultaneously in such a profound way at the same time. I can't credit nothing when it comes to that outside of the culture other than to the most high. You're doing that on Jimmy Kimmel, right? All praise is due to Allah. I'm going to be honest.

You're answering this way too smooth. What'd you say? You're answering this way too smooth. Because I just want to ask you, boss. I mean, this is in between, in between. Like, not where you at now in life. But you knocked a lot of bitches down. Let's just be clear. In between, in between. Not where you at now in life. But you knocked a lot of bitches down. Let's just be clear.

Let's just be clear. I love Nori. Nori. I love Nori. You shit? You shit? Nori, Nori, Nori, Nori, Nori. Nori, Nori, Nori, Nori. Nori, Nori, Nori, Nori. Nori, Nori, Nori. Nori!

I am happy. Yo, yo. I feel like you knock a lot of bitches down. I mean, uh... It's a bad day. It's a bad day. It's a bad day. It's a bad day. Ain't nobody ever had a bad day. Look at bad day, it's bad day, it's bad day, it's bad day. Ain't nobody worried about it, it's bad day. It's really like this, go Norrie.

I feel like you and Michael Jackson ain't ready to trade together. Alright Norrie. You've met Michael Jackson, let's be clear. Yes I have met Michael Jackson. You've met Michael Jackson. You want to make out for me here? Please make noise for Michael Jackson everybody. I like it. Norey, Norey, Norey, Norey, Norey, Norey, Norey.

Thank you EFN for pulling back up. I need you to help me make this. What can I do to help out? Please close this big trap up. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap.

It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. It's a big trap. Thank you, EFM, for pulling back up. I need you to help me make this. What can I do to help out?

Please close this beer trap up. We'll close it out? Close this beer trap up. No, we was just talking about he and Fingerpops and all that fucking shit. No, relax, bro. It's crazy. He wasn't even talking about that.

How much richer you did not dance on the town? Relax, man. Relax. Relax. We all got families here. Let's stop it. Listen. We've lived. We've all lived. Yes.

I'm in a very peaceful and tranquil space. I'm not entertaining the games and the bullshit at this stage of my life, brother. What's up, Tupac? I'm just... Relax. Back then, Nori, it was left back then. We gonna leave back then, back then. In the current time and space though.

And right now. I respect this moment. You gotta respect it. It's good for us. We the elite group, you know? Yes. We got queens now, bro. We got royal empresses now.

I don't go back then, before. That's what empresses now. I was going back then before. That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about the before tour. And I said we're going to leave the before in the before. A little before time. That's what we're going to do. Okay, I'm in. Because what I'm going to ask you is this. You knocked down a whole lot of nastiness, though, before your wife, right?

Yes, I did. Okay, cool. That's why he're wearing the mask let's just be clear I never had put your hands in my eyes I never had coming to America video hey bro that's monumental alright alright alright you fuck all the coming to America Hey bro, I'm- I'm- I'm- I'm- I'm- That's monumental, bro.

You fuck all the coming to America. All the coming to America people? Anybody. Anybody would've- That's the only way to get into America. That's the only way to get into America. I went to bomb. You wanna get in?

Yeah. Then I ain't loving God. Then I got the foot out. Then I got the foot out. I'm sorry. What the fuck is wrong with this band, bro? We almost killed it. Yo, Jack Thriller, what's wrong with Doom, bro? He can't see shit.

He can't see what's wrong. What's wrong with Doom, Jack? Hey, man, yo, listen. He got a good heart. He's on his way, right? He's working on it. He's working on it. Satan cannot have my friends. Get out with my friends!

I'll rebuke you! Talk that shit, Jack! Bloodlust. You can't have no... Talk that shit, Jack! That's a fact, Jack. You can't have no room! Don't talk that shit, Jack! That's a fact, yeah. Oh, shit. But boss, you did knock a lot of shit down.

Yo, man, let's talk hip-hop, bro. Fuck that shit, bro. I like that, man. You did a lot of movies. Normally, I had my fun. I had my fun. You lived a life. What was something you knocked down and you said, oh, man, I didn't knock that down? Oh, man. I had my fun Boss, boss did you hear him say oh man? I knocked that down!

Yo Nori, alright check this out, check this out Nori Yo Nori, hey Nori, let me ask you something, let me ask you something Yo Nori, let me ask you something, Nori Hey, hold on, hold on, let me ask you something I'm talking you. Let me ask you something. Nuri. Hey, hold on, hold on. Let me ask you something. I'm talking about Vanity. I'm talking about Vanity. Nuri, you see.

I'm not talking about Vanity. Nuri. Everyone say something. I got to be in focus. Hold on, hold on. Everybody stop. Let's both snap. Let's both snap.

Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap. Let's both snap not. This is not. Stop, Jack.

This is rap. Are you a snitch? This is rap. I asked you a question. I didn't answer. I asked not a snitch. You were a snitch. Okay, cool.

So then we just ended this part of the discussion. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey, man. You're all back in the day. I know. But you're asking me to snitch. You're no devil's friend.

No, no, no. You're asking me who the hell I'm talking to. No one's talking to you. They're talking to me now. Listen, Tony. Are you a snitch? No. No. You know double-staffed. You asking me who did I knock down? Think I can knock down? Listen, Tony. Are you a snitch, though? Are you a snitch?

Listen, we're gonna stop. We're gonna do the shots real quick. Let's do it. I was playing the chamber subject. I was playing the chamber subject. I swear the tennis of it I gotta do this. Yes, I have to do this. All right, you're going with Nino or D. Yes, all right. Everybody's silence. Queen, do you deem this question appropriate? Yes, it's appropriate. I'm not asking you to witness.

You can't influence a witness. Do you deem this last question appropriate? Thank you, Queen this last question appropriate? Thank you, Quayne. What question appropriate? Who did I knock down and out of you? Who did I knock down and out of you? Who did I knock down and out of you? And it was gonna be followed up by,

who did you finger pop? Finger pop. And did I finger pop with Michael Jackson? This nigga's crazy, son. Michael J, you made that one up yourself, bro. You said that to me. What the fuck you talking about? You said that to me. You watch the fucking Miley event.

I don't lie. Ever. Ever. Ever. You want that money? You want that shit! I'm too old for that shit! I'm too old for that shit!

I'm too old for that shit! Quick Tower Slime! Oh shit! You ready boss? I'm ready. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's do this real quick. Damn, this nigga boss is going at it. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'll finish out first. Yeah, let's do this real quick. Damn, this nigga boss is going at it.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. You know what's interesting is I told Norrie, because of my transformation journey and this health regimen that I've been on for the last year and a half, that I wasn't going to drink. But I realized that we live in a time where I think it's important to share with people how much it is to be able to celebrate life regardless of how fucked up these recent circumstances have been. You know, they done took every civil liberty away from us.

I think we don't realize how dangerous of a time that we living in. They done told the common man that really want to

earn an honest living that he can't go to work and earn an honest living. Like, what part of the game is that? They done told motherfuckers

we got to put a mask on and we can't breathe freely or else you can get in trouble. What part of the game is that? They done told motherfuckers we gotta put a mask on and we can't breathe freely or else you can get in trouble. What part of the game is that? And niggas is complying and not asking no questions. I'm not saying to not be safe. I'm not saying to not deal with the 19th

letter in the supreme alphabet called the letter S. Self for savior. Save yourself before you save others. That's a survival instinct. That's before thinking. If a motherfucker do something to you, you start dodging and moving out the way and you lose all everything that you look like

to be cool, to save yourself. It's called instinct. Instinct is deeper than thought. So what I'm saying to you is if we're dealing with the knowledge born to green in the supreme alphabet, which is the 19th letter in the alphabet, called survival instinct, which is self or savior, then that means that we should be questioning how do we save ourselves when we're being told to wear a mask? And when you wear the mask, it also creates health complications

because you ain't supposed to recycle the air that you exhale. How about when you do that to your child that was just being born recently? They ain't even experienced what it was like to breathe fresh air but you putting a mask on them how does that help their respiratory system develop we just complying without asking questions i'm not saying not to do it if it's the right thing to do. That's the question. But when do we stop thinking for ourselves? That's what this is all about. Extinction level of it, too. That's what it's all about.

Come on, come on. Yeah! That's what it's all about. I'm taking it all down. I'm letting you know. Boss. Boss. Oh. You know something?

I'm going to say something about that too. All right? This pause talk. Speak on it. No, say it. No cut. You got to sit here when we talk. You gotta sit here for me to talk.

Yo, you know what? I can't smoke your head, so I'm gonna go out the store. Yo, listen. Remember, the pause talk. We can all hear that. Thanks, brother. Let's make some noise for Buster. Thanks, man. Go ahead, Norby. It's the leaders. No, start it over. One of the craziest breakups ever. It was the leaders. Of the new school.

Yes. All right, so you want me to get into that? Yes. That's why you wanted up, right? I would like to. All right. Leaders of the new school, that's where it all began for me, right? Yeah. into the new school, that's where it all began for me. Right? In 1980...

1985... Five. five. I was 15. Excuse me. When I was 13, 1984, I went to a junior high school in Hempstead, Long Island. Excuse me, in Uniondale, Long Island. I moved to Long Island after I caught two charges for selling crack at 12 years old.

Reagan-Nomis era in East Flatbush, Brooklyn. My mother wasn't with it. She said, we got to get you out of Brooklyn. I moved to Uniondale, Long Island. I met Charlie Brown and a brother by the name of Corsay in a junior high school called Turtle Hook Junior High School. Corsay's rap name was Mystery. He was the original third member before Dinko D.

So it was me, Charlie Brown, and Mystery. Quasey Godbolt. That's his first and last name. That's a serious name. As your government. Big up to Quasey Godbolt. I know that man. I ain't seen that man since he left the group,

and I ain't spoke to him since he left the group. Ironically, his younger brother, Kenyak Godbolt, started to tutor my children. Wow. Word. His younger brother became like a scientist and a professor with education. He started to tutor my children.

That's dope. And big up to Kenyatta Godbolt. Please, big up Kenyatta Godbolt. Thank you. So, when Corsay decided to leave the group, it was because he got into the Reaganomics era lifestyle and decided he didn't have the patience to wait on some rap shit to come to fruition.

Right. So he said, fuck this shit. I'm not waiting. I'm going to go get to this money in the street now. All right. I respect you, big homie. So me and Brown, the way me and Brown ended up becoming

a part of a group was because Brown was rounding before me so we in junior high school Brown is two grades ahead of me I'm in 7th grade he in 9th grade Dinka was in 8th grade so it was 7th, 8th and 9th grade

and I had just moved to Long Island from Brooklyn Brown is a Long Island from Brooklyn Brown there's a Long Island kid I think he got Queens history Dinka was also see Brown was your phone on you the bro got Queens lineage I know I'm fucking with you too going along with the thing but the facts are Brown has Queens lineage

Dinko got Brooklyn lineage so and my Brooklyn lineage we all urban city kids and we moved to the suburbs to try you know get this better lifestyle

based on our parents' indoctrinations and decision-making. So fuck it. We're moving forward with this, and we're going along with it, and so on and so forth, whatever the case may be. And see, Brown was the emcee. That was the superstar junior high school.

So one day we come out of the school, and, you know, everybody waiting to go home and the school buses is picking up the kids and taking them to their cribs and whatever junior high school kids that was the privileged kids that had their own cars they was driving home with their friends or whatever. So me and Brown and a couple of kids is in the schoolyard and I'm beatboxing for Brown and Brown is rhyming. And Brown ended up starting to diss me while I was beatboxing for him. Damn. That's ruthless.

Ain't this some other shit? That's where it all started? It started right there? That's how me and Brown started. This nigga. Fuck you fucking Jack Thriller, this nigga Jack Thriller laughing at a nigga. The nigga C. Brown started dissing me while I was beatboxing for him. My stupid ass kept beatboxing for him while he was dissing me.

How was the diss, though? What was the diss to you? Hey, excuse me. Can I? Care? I'm not a concoction king. So. How do you know he's dissing you?

He was flagrantly dissing me. How? How? Like, what was he saying? I mean, I don't remember the bars, but his punchline was directed at Ryan. We just knew. We just knew. No, he was saying my name and all that type of shit.

Oh, your name's shook it up. There was no misconception about what was going on. There's no confusion about what's happening. He said your name straight up. Nori. Nori's here. I believe him. I promise you he's here. He said your name straight up. No, he's here. I promise you he's here. I'm not going to lie. I understand

why you was asking him questions. Even though those questions sounded weird. But I know you was in disbelief too. That's why you had to ask. Nah, it didn't make no sense to me. I didn't do nothing to initiate this disrespect from him.

I think it probably came from the fact that I did have an appeal as the kid from Brooklyn in the school at the time. You was a cool kid. I was a cool kid and whatever way

it was interfering with his shine he felt the need to shut that down, even though I didn't give him a reason. So I was actually, there was a support system for him. I'm beatboxing for him. So he's shitting on me. But he didn't do it out the gate. He didn't do it out the gate.

That's the interesting part. It was like he was rocking for a minute, and then he started to crack the whip So, oh my god I Went home and I wrote my first rhyme and it was inspired by LL LL Is the reason I wrote my first rap.

What LL record? It wasn't a LL record. It was the LL everything. He was my favorite MC. The aesthetic of LL Cool J. He was my favorite MC at the time.

He was young, fly, full of energy, and the motherfucker had big words in his shit that made him sound smart as fuck while he was disrespecting you. And again, like we spoke about earlier in the interview,

at that time, it was super cool and important to be smart. Right. Remember that. Because the God Nation, the Zulu Nation, remember I went into all of that already. Cool. Absolutely. So I took my bars, and it was modeled after the way LL does his shit.

And I came back the next day, and I bust Brown ass. And Brown at that point realized he needed to align himself with me. When you can't beat him, you need to join him. Join him, right. You know what I'm saying? So when that happened, me and Brown became a crew.

We wanted a third MC, cause we was modeling our shit after Cold Crush Brothers. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Super history. The original architects of this shit. The keepers of the culture. So

for those who don't know who Cold Crush Brothers is, because some of y'all is young in here. Tell them. These are some of the most incredible mcs to ever start this shit and these mcs are also responsible for the most huge and historical hip-hop records in history when ghostwriting was being introduced for the first time in the game grandmaster cash wrote rappers Rapper's Delight for Sugar Hill Gang. Your niggas never knew that.

And he was the captain of the Cold Crush Brothers. Know what I'm saying? So I just need y'all to learn. Ghostwriting been around now. This ain't nothing new. The only difference between now and then was niggas that take credit for the Ghostwriter's work couldn't take credit for it before.

Because I heard you wrote some shit for Kanye. Yeah, speak on it, bust it. I mean, I will speak on it. That's something I'm comfortable speaking on. Right. The way I was raised number one you can never be classified as top ten top five or top anything if you got some assistance with your pen period you automatically disqualified I don't give a fuck how great you think That's it, boy. That's it, boy.

That don't make you any less of a dope MC. Right. No, it doesn't. You can still be dope. There's niggas that are still more than capable of writing their own shit. But they didn't stick to the script of writing their own shit which would warrant them being deemed top ten or top five once you get an assist

with your pen that's like the nigga what's the triathlon Lance Armstrong Lance Armstrong I follow him once you get the assist,

once you get an assist, once you get an assist that ain't coming from an organic place, it disqualifies everything. The same rules apply. I've never said a word out of my mouth that was written by another man. In my entire 29 years, if another nigga wrote some shit,

I would have been saved. Now that's not a disrespect, and I want people to really understand and distinguish the difference between what I'm saying and what it actually is. I like the disrespectful blunt right now. Like the disrespectful blunt. You want something? Here, go to Tosh to light it actually is. Disrespectful blunt right there. Like the disrespectful blunt. You want something? Here, go to the torch to light it.

You see this? Pull this down and deal with that accordingly. Deal with that accordingly, beloved. Deal with that accordingly. Deal with that accordingly, beloved. Pull it down. There you go. There you go.

That's that uno, dos, tres, cuatro. Yeah, you like, you like the uno, dos, the uno, dos, tres, cuatro. Damn, oh shit. Alright, boss. I'm not done. Continue, baby. Now. all right I'm not done now Colby Norris Colby we wish you baby as I was saying I think that at the end of the day, you know, be humble in your verbiage.

If there's holes that can be poked in your truth, that's all. It ain't gotta transpire in a negative way if you stand tall in the truth. You can credit others if others has played a role that's been significant in the success

and in the gratification of your accomplishments. But at the end of the day, if you ain't gonna stay on your own nigga Then give it up to who wants it being giving it up giving up to I take great pride in saying shit like that because nobody in my squad is Allowed to have an assist with a pen. If that's the case,

you need to be rocking with somebody else. You know what I'm saying? Because we just was raised a certain way. That doesn't make the new way that people feel they need to do things wrong. But if the new niggas ask you to, your boss, can you write me a little...

I'm going to do it. You know why? You know why? Because again, it's not wrong. Niggas ask you to the bus. Can you write me a little? Yeah, I'm gonna do it No, why you know why because again it's not wrong. What makes it wrong is when you discredit who assists Who you try to conceal it. I've been writing shampoo rhymes since he was probably 24. I don't know why he don't be questioning me. You know, shampoo. Your brother said he was conditioning. You know, shampoo. First of all, shampoo's a fucking legend in this culture. Can we please give it up for shampoo?

Yay! Can I say shampoo? Shampoo's the one who helped me break that swipey record. Ain't got it on the radio for me. Shampoo. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Shampoo records, baby. You know how many records Shampoo helped me break? Countless shit. I owe Shampoo plaques. Fuck you talking about? Ayo, shampoo, I apologize that you have not been able to decorate. I owe shampoo plaques, yo. Let's get to you for a second.

Not gonna lie. I'm doing the QuickTime slot. You didn't call me for QuickTime slot. But look, Spiff, you told me, and it's like, yo, I got new Brooklyn. I looked at you, I said, Brooklyn's always going to be Brooklyn. I don't know if I said it to you,

to you, but in my mind, maybe in my mind. But, did everybody hear all the young niggas in the sun? It killed me because I said,

y'all have told me this. You told me this in Head Factory. Yeah, Head Factory. Yeah, I got to thank Boss for wanting to see me at the time. You told me this when Boss was in Cash Money. Yes, sir. And before I finish your question, I want to say, boss, what was the problem with cash money? Was it a problem with cash money?

Wow, look where you going. You got very good at my job, I'll tell you. When I say Nori, I must commend you on your research and your homework. What? Jesus Christ. All right, look, this is what I'm gonna do. I and you both, Nori, were raised

to not air dirty laundry, right? So this is what I'm gonna do. I'm going big up Birdman, and I'm gonna big up Birdman, and I'm going to big able to continue to go and continue on my journey, the way my journey was happening before we got in business and how it needed to continue after we stopped doing business. And there's nothing else that needs to be discussed let me just say this though don't brothers will always be my allies they

will always be my friends and they will always be my brothers. I think it's extremely important that even in having differences, especially in these times, that we honor the camaraderie that we have because there's a bigger picture. You know the goal right now is to divide and conquer.

That's been the goal even before right now. But it's like on a whole other level of hyper tension and promotion and propaganda right now for us to not be on the same accord with each other. I love my brothers man even do the good the bad and the indifference either 12th degree in the supreme alphabet is the letter L 12th letter in alphabet is the letter L that degree is love Helen Robert love hell or right that degree means you got to go through love and hell in order for shit to turn out right. Let me say this as a podcast for four years.

Continue, boss. Talk that shit. I can't love my brother if I ain't gonna be able to love him when we going through hell too. You don't just love your brother when shit is sweet. But boss, I got it. When it's finished, Nori,

when I'm dealing with the side, you gotta let me build. Let me build, beloved. I'm barely built, but... You don't just love... You don't... You don't... You don't just love your brother when shit is good. You love your brother when shit is challenging, too.

I love this. That's when the love is really being tested. That's where the love is tested for us. Can I finish, Normie, please? No. Let me just finish. Normie, let me just complete this jewel. And then I'm'm gonna need you to

elaborate because i know what you gotta say is important king yes i apologize you don't need for apology we we on the same accord king what i'm saying is it ended up turning out right man you get what i'm saying that's where you understand. You gotta let me reach to that point of this dialogue so that you can understand the upswing was beautiful. Me and Bird had real conversations, and it wasn't easy, man. I figured it out. It wasn't easy, but we figured it out.

And it ended up being beautiful conversation, and it ended up being beautiful understanding and it ended up being beautiful understanding and there's nothing better than understanding. Understanding is the best part. So once you establish that, there's no confusion that could be possible because we all are very clear. There's no misconception.

We could walk away from the conversation really being on the same accord. That's the beauty of why the difference between me and other artists that was in business with them is while they might have aired Dirty Laundry, you've never heard me do it. But I still do that.

Nah, that's not the way I was raised, man. See, there's an etiquette thing that's very important to how we was brought up. We was brought up a certain way. I want to try to do everything in my power to reinstill that beautiful way we was brought up. It's not an old thing. It's a ripe thing.

See, that's where niggas get it misconstrued. You want to talk about the old way. No. See, what's right and wrong ain't got no timeline on it. What's right and what's wrong has no timeline. It's like you wake up one day you think you're going to just feel like okay the planets ain't supposed to rotate around the sun fuck that sun

rotate around the planets that's never going to happen because it's called right and wrong there is no other way for the functioning of this universal infrastructure to operate. So if you're living on that accord, it's like slapping a nigga in the face

and trying to control the repercussion. You can't control the repercussion. It's called right or wrong. You should have made a conscious decision. You should have never, see what I'm saying? That's where I was going. Before you did it, you knew what you was going to do. Every action is a thought first.

Every thought is something that comes into question. Make some noise for Boss the Boss. So with that being said, if you fix something and then do it, knowing it was wrong before you do it and still choose to do it, that invoice that's going to come behind that is going to be expensive than a motherfucker.

I love the invoice. Every choice comes with an invoice. Or the price you got to pay for that shit. Especially when you knew how expensive it was gonna be before you did it. And chose to do it anyway? That shit is like 10 trillion times more expensive when

you decide to do it anyway knowing it was expensive before you did it. If you couldn't afford it, why didn't you do it? Before you did it, you knew you couldn't afford it. So why the fuck you do it anyway? Because he's too bad. Okay, cool. So now this is where we at.

You chose to do it. And now a nigga want to try to control how much it's going to cost. You can't control that no more. You slap a nigga, he shoots you. He wrong for shooting you? No. Nah, nigga. You should have never slapped him.

You slapped the wrong nigga. How about that's the way this mathematical equation worked out? You should have never even thought that he was somebody you could slap and get away with it how about that part you thought wrong your your your mathematic equation was off you should have never thought you could have got away with that now what you're going to do you? You gonna take this L, it's called learning experience, and it might be called your life.

Deep experience. You filming the video? No, don't do this. Don't do this, please. I'm begging you, don't do this. I'm gonna switch. Damn, Nori. Nori going bad tonight, bro. You hear me?

Nori going bad. You know what? You know what? I just need to... All right, all right, all right. Give me a second. Give me a second. Let me go to the bathroom, because I... Open up! Jesus Christ., go listen.

Nomi! Oh shit. Shit. You hear me? You hear me? Wè mè fada, lè gale wè mè fada Kip kemflou, kip kemflou Wè mè fada, lè gale wè mè fada Wè mè fada, lè gale wè mè fada Wè komadans, wè shoksa, wè infrastokta Blok la do dem, wang to dem

Ten sou pak yata, lè wè mè fada Blood clad to them, wound to them. Them soup a cat on the one of them sheds. Come and go ya. Yo, nothing that they called you pussyhole. Wait, you know what I mean? What's the point of that? You offend, you doing us dirty like that? Nah, he foul! Foul, EFN!

He's a Cuban guy. No, somebody over there is that pussyhole. Yeah, nobody said that. Nobody said that, no, we don't believe you. EFN is a terrorist right now. Yo, he's not saying nothing. He's saying truth. He's saying truth. I'm a terrace. Somebody call your pussy whore, man. Yo, yo, yo.

Say what's happening. Say what's happening with the bus goes. Yo, yo, Normie. Hey, you know what they told me? What, Bumper, you know what they told me? You came here to tire. That was not funny, bro. Sorry, bro. That was not that funny, man. Not that funny, man.

Yo, I applaud. You're trying. I applaud you trying. I applaud your trying. Alright. Let's continue. We call it the Pussyhole. What did you say? Pussyhole.

If I don't give a fuck what that means, there's no way in the world you can say that I'm that. I'm going to tell you. Absolutely not. Broke me down the pussyhole. I don't know why they call me you. Absolutely not, bro. You're not gonna pussy up. I'm gonna tell you. Don't do that here, man. Stop. You fucking bastard.

Don't do that. You don't know it. You're gonna stop doing this motherfucking damn medicine ball over here. I don't know why they called you that. You're gonna stop that shit fuck it because you put your box of crackers faces Quick time slush. Quick time slush. Let Irfan do quick time slush. Oh man, give me the magic.

Give me the magic. Nori, where you left off at? Let Irfan do quick time slush. Nori, where you left off at? I want you to bow from a cam back for this. No, it's your turn. You do quick time slush. What? I'm not slime. You're slime. Fuckin' wrong with you, bro.

Yeah, I know. Have you ever had a head first? I'm not slime, you're slime. What the fuck is wrong with you, bro? I don't know, but... I think it's important. Yeah, if that would be... If that would be the appropriate... You can do it. You can do it. Absolutely I can do it, but I'm not quick-time. Just do it. Just do it. Just do it.

What are you... I'll do it. Yeah. I got you. I got my back or K-Type's time? Yeah. That back too. Let me look at the phone. All right, man. Kim or Nicki? Doesn't work?

Wait, say that again? It's quick time, but this part's fucking smart. Kim or Nicki? Kim or Nicki? Oh shit. Yeah. Kim or Nicki what? Choose one or the other what? One or the other

One or the other Kim Alright Jay or Nas? Nas Popeyes or churches? Popeyes Jamaicans or trimmings?

Come on man It's ridiculous Both Oh That was a great one Jay Z and Nas both. Fuck that, I'm fixing that. No, we can't.

Yeah, we are. Yeah, we are. All right, wait, let me finish. If I'm gonna do it, if I'm gonna do Quick Time with Simon, let me finish, bro. Go, go, go, go, go, go. If you tell me I can't fix something, then I ain't doing it.

Now you fix it. Now you can fix it. Come on, boss, let me finish what I'm starting right now. So you fix it. Now you can fix it. Come on, boss. Let me finish what I'm starting right here, bro. So start it over. No, no, we good. No, start it over. All right.

Kim or Nicky? Kim. Jay and Nas? Both. Popeyes or Churches? Five. Popeyes. Jamaicans or Haitians that have a friend that's Dominican?

Both. You're funny man, you're funny. You're funny man, you're funny. Both. Both. Both. Both. Alright. Pharrell or Timbaland?

Pharrell or Timbaland? Both. Come on, bro. Both is really getting out of control right now. Pharrell or Timbaland? Pharrell or Timbaland? Both. Come on, bro. Both is really getting out of control right now. Premier or Pierrot? Both. Holy shit, Skibobs. You ain't got to like my answers to get the fuck out of here.

Wait, wait. Come on, come on. Get back to us. The tunnel or speed? Tunnel. God damn, I want a fucking tunnel. The tunnel. This one I'm unfamiliar with. The fucking tunnel.

The Rolex or Audi B? I don't know nothing about either one of them. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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Relax, everybody. Just Plagues the Swiss? Both. Boom. Mariah or Janet? Both. Michael Jackson or Prince? Both. Wait, hold on. He meant Michael Jackson or Prince

Underground I was trying to make money. Oh, you met, wait, fuck that. You met, you met, you met. None! You met Michael Jackson? Tribe, he said Trump, he said Trump abided. I said none of them are motherfuckers. So you met Russell Jackson? And Prince? I met both of them, yes sir.

Was Prince pickin' up on somebody? What the fuck, bro? What, he met him? That's what happened. He met him, and of course, Prince was finger popping. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

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And play basketball great. At the same time, never the case. Yo, I believe in Dave Sabrella's game. For like 20 years. You play basketball with Prince? That's a fact of honor. You play basketball with Prince? No, no.

I play basketball when I get busy. I ain't play with Prince when I get busy. Nigga, you know what I mean? I play basketball with Prince. I ain't play with Prince when I get busy. I ain't play with Prince when I get busy. I ain't play with Prince when I get busy. I ain't play with Prince when I get busy.

I ain't play with Prince when I get busy. I ain't play with Prince when I get busy. I ain't play with Prince when I get busy. I ain't play with Prince when I get busy Prince? No, I play basketball when I get busy. I ain't play with Prince, but I get busy, nigga. You play basketball? What you talking about? Is we speaking foreign languages, nigga? English on the weekends. That's right. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Norman, you gave me a look like you in disbelief. I'm not sure, boss. Norman, I don't want you to be sure or not sure. I just want you to figure this shit out. I got to figure it out, boss. Figure it out. No, I don't want you to be sure or not sure. I just want you to figure this shit out and... I gotta figure it out, mom. Figure it out, no, no, not on your own time, in actual time. I am real talk.

We can deal with this... You gotta speak in English and English. We can deal with this accordingly right now. Do we know where a basketball court is? Yeah, right here. Right here. Right here. Right here. Right here. Right here.

Right here. Right here. And we got cameras. And we got cameras, Nori. Right here. Right here. Well, Nori, we can get straight to it. Right here.

It's a basketball court right here. We got cameras, and I'm with all the smoke. Nori. I smoke cigars. I smoke weed, and I smoke cigarette. And I shouldn't even be doing that. That's why you ain't seen me smoke no cigarettes. I smoke weed, and I smoke cigarette.

And I shouldn't even be doing that. That's why you ain't seen me smoke no cigarettes. I smoke weed, and I smoke cigarette. And I shouldn't even be doing that. That's why you ain't seen me smoking no cigarette or no weed in this whole drink chance. I'm only smoking celebratory cigars. The rose voice of the cigar, by the way. You know what, boss? Let me change the subject.

Yeah, please do. Because we could either get right to it or discuss something else. But here's the crazy thing. Thank you very much. I've never seen you this focused ever in 20 years. I don't know what it is, I don't know what made you switch on a switch, and switch, and switch, and switch. Okay. I don't know what made you switch on a switch and switch the switch the switch. Okay, that it's like

Everything strategic I know you had the little white people Please be clear. It has nothing to do with Illuminati information. That commercial was a spinoff of the Ash Wednesdays concept from the Catholic Church. It went over And It went over Niggas just over there Like holy But you know That's good Because see What I try to create

Is content That's going to What kind of solo you bought That was also Asked Wednesdays The kind of content That I try to create Is content that's going to spark thought. You know what I'm saying?

When I created that, there's a lot of different messages that's supposed to come from that commercial trailer advertising the coming of Extinction Level Event 2, The Wrath of God. It's so many different dynamics and levels of science and high science that the album consists of. That when I started to give people those pieces of content through the trailers and the album commercials. It was just so I can solidify with the consumer that's been with me since the 22 year ago release of the original leading up to now that we have not abandoned the responsibility of

addressing the social awareness responsibility that we've been taking on from the beginning of my solo career I just wanted people to know you get the Don and the boss you get to me in the Anderson.Paak record but like you need to see that the high science is a significant part of the embodiment of this project. The songs that consist of that information, I'm not giving it to the people until when the album drops.

Because I'm dealing with levels of high science that's so powerful, I don't want no powers that be to feel like they are deemed worthy of blocking the information that I'm trying to share. It's time to make a note for that. Yeah! that I'm trying to share personal personal personal personal personal we might need to be mindful of what I just said see but I'm saying when I just listen what I'm saying, when I just, listen to what I'm saying. Yes, I will. When I'm saying what I just said,

I'm just telling on myself that I'm sharing shit that will put them in the position to prepare to block what I'm getting ready to share. So we might need to be conscious of how we share that. You get what I'm saying? Do y'all understand what I just said? Yeah. Okay, cool.

All right. So just take that note, please, Fuzzy. Please take that note. There you go. Where's Fuzzy? Right here. All right, cool. Thank you. All right, let's add on.

Now, Boss, you've been on Electra. Seven labels. Let's just sum it up. Seven labels. Ain't nobody ran through the music industry like Bus Rhymes. You fucked a lot of bitches, let's throw that out there. Let's throw that out there. Let's throw that out there.

Yo, Kel, let me give one more concoction. You was running Drake on a lot of things. This is the bad right here. So, this is your first actual independent album? Yes, sir. Your first actual? Yeah. What made you say, because you know why, boss?

I know. Yeah, you know better than anybody though. You know better than anybody. And you got it, so you don't have to. You don't have to do anything. You could have dropped it on your own by yourself. So what made you say

you know what, I'm going to fuck with Empire? Ghazi as my business partner is a genius and a brilliant mind. I'm an advocate of continuing to learn. A man has shared information with me that no major label executive has.

That's number one. Number two, he put a support system around me and answers their phone at 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning. As executives and heads of their departments, no major label has ever done that for me neither. These niggas go to bed when the work hours is over. Wow. That's what they traditionally do. My album leaks at 3, 4 o'clock in the morning. I can't call these niggas until tomorrow. While at 3, 4 in the morning, it might be

on two or three websites. When they wake up, it's on 50 fucking websites. I need to call when that shit is on two or three websites to have them troubleshoot me. You ain't answering my phone call when I need you to? I don't need to be in business with you at this stage in my career. I'm 29 years in this shit. My politically correct filter is burnt. I'm only dealing with right and wrong. I ain't dealing with politically correct no more.

That's just where I'm at. I'm not saying that to be offensive. It ain't like because I say I ain't politically correct that I'm going to run in your fucking building and start yelling and screaming. That's not where I'm at. Everything about that is counterproductive. There's nothing that you can do

to get people to work in your best interest if you yelling and screaming at them and disrespecting them as human beings. That's not the way to work. That's not the way to operate. If you're dealing with a collective, because it takes villains to raise a child, right? It also takes a support system to create an empire. Right? I'll leave it alone. This man right here is one of my greatest support systems in the world. I've been able to create an empire. Cliff answers my phone call whenever I call him.

When he don't answer my phone and I complain, he corrects it. I only need to be around people that can provide that level of prioritization in my life. At this time and in the current space and time of my life. Because I'm going to answer the phone like that for you. I don't care how tired I am. Only time I want to answer my phone is if I'm on a plane, but I'll still respond via Wi-Fi on the text.

So my correspondence in a timely manner is always going to be within the proximity of when you reach out to me. That shit is important that you reciprocate that and give me that shit in return. And if you can't, then we don't need to deal with each other because I got a zero tolerance for you to think that you can see my message come up in your phone

and you're going to act like you're going to reach out to me way, way, way, way after the fact. Because see, there's a distinguishable difference between you choosing to get back to me in a timely manner and you choosing not to. It ain't that you don't see when I reach out to you. You see it.

You do see it. So, now I got a question. Why did you take four hours to get back to me when you could have got back to me in five minutes? What answer you going to give me that's going to be acceptable outside of somebody dying in your family? But is that something that Chris Lighty spoiled us with? Say that again?

Is that something that Chris Lighty spoiled us with? Say that again? Is that something that Chris Lighty spoiled us with? No. It's called principle, and it's called respect. Make some noise for that. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Make some noise for that. That's all, it's like life can be simple. I'm not saying I got all the answers.

Let me not sit up here and act like I got all the answers. I'm not trying to mislead nobody. I don't have all the answers. All I have is the answers based on my experience. That's it. I'm 48 years old proudly we are the first generation

of MC's that is showing everybody after us that they can still pull up in Rolls Royces in a bunch of diamonds homes diversified portfolios and a bunch of diamonds, homes, diversified portfolios,

as grown ass men, and still be super cool, and super relevant. That shit is beautiful. Fucking beautiful. You know what I'm saying? Fucking beautiful. Like I said, me and Fat Joe was talking about you,

and you cut me off before I could tell you what we was talking about you about. I think he's lining me up. I'm going to tell you right now. Fuck with you. Me and Fat Joe was talking about how much incredible big hit records you got on your belt. And you've been hiding it from niggas you get so much money doing this drink champ you don't even care about sharing the music sorry i'm sorry nori what you're going to say I'm trying to tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen up. Raise your hand. I'm trying to tell you. You cannot do this to me as much.

This is the word on the street though. I'm sorry. You want to edit this out? Be my guest. You want to edit this out? Fine. All I'm saying is this was me and Fat Joe, the Don Carter genus conversation about our brother today. But boss, I'm gonna be honest.

Boss, today is your day, and this is $500 champagne. I would like you to boss one of these. All right, Norrie, this is what I'm gonna tell you. I've been on my vodka. You're not gonna mix and blend me up. Let's take a little picture, bro. Let's take a little picture. Right in the mark.

Before we end it, before we end it, I'll just say something. Nigga's a terrorist. My first couple of days I met him. Oh, he's a terrorist. He's a terrorist. He is. He's a terrorist.

Every time you bust me, I'm fucking... You're a terrorist, man. I pass this nigga're a terrorist. You're a terrorist. You're a terrorist. I passed this nigga a blunt. This nigga never passed me my blunt back ever. Oh, that's a fact. That was a long time ago. I don't do that shit no more. As you can see, he was not allowed to pass me an old blunt tonight.

Let's go. Let's make it look like a blunt. Yo, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. blood tonight let's go let's make it look awesome yo thank you so much my brother

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