Drink Champs - Episode 238 w/ Saigon

Episode Date: November 27, 2020

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, the guys drink it up with The Yardfather aka Saigon. The guys discuss idols becoming rivals, Love & Hip Hop, creating positive music, working on the hit television show “Entourage”, working with Just Blaze, JAY Z and a lot more!Make some noise!!!Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make some noise. Yeah, right. Now, when you talk about legends, and you talk about Bar-Lord, I hear people using that right now, Bar-Lord and Bar-Guard, and you know what I'm saying? And when you look at, like, the product of,

I know this is probably, like, heavy on you, but, like, the product of what Tupac would be is, like, you know, revolutionary, but still street. Like, we're looking at this brother right here. We're looking at bars. We're looking at boss. We're looking at a person who worked with Trey Songz. A person who worked with Jay-Z. A person who had projects with DJ Drama.

A person who had projects with Just Blaze. Old Jump, Yaka the Maze with the Yala. You understand? The man, and then transition on y'all. He said he played his own self in Entourage because you know why? He played himself in Entourage. Real talk.

Real talk. Then he slipped it on y'all. Got reality TV. Got some Mona checks. And now he's here and he's signed to Strange motherfucking music. If you don't know who we're talking about, we're talking about Saigon and y'all.

You did a distro deal with Estrange, is what it is, right? A distribution? It's a special kind of deal. It's distro, but I get label services, so they give me marketing and shit like that. Because that was the first thing we thought of. It was like, why is Vin calling?

Why did Estrange music call? You know what I'm saying? And Vin, we went through, by the way, you was like the only third rapper late in four years, but we blended on Vin and Labardi. Oh, shit. Blamed Vino.

We felt like Vin had to stop and get some party favors from somewhere, from somewhere. We don't know, we just blown it out there. We riding with the story, we riding with the story. Here you go, please, where's Mr. Lee at? Let's pop that off. He said he's gonna drink some, but we are, we drinking one of these, but we are drinking the,

I don't know how to pronounce this shit, but that shit, the 50 Cent cent shit you know what I'm saying this is where we drink it we will get some so alright let's take it from the beginning yeah when we first

when you first came on the scene was Just Blaze discovered you? nah okay nah nah nah I got when I got out of jail

you know when you get out when you get out you got the niggas that never wrote you and shit like that and they Just Blaze is one of those? nah nah

oh okay I'm fucking about to take I'm talking about that too. But I took all the, yeah, we love you money, the $100 here, the $50 here, and I was just writing. I was writing my whole bit.

I was just writing and writing and writing. I rapped in the yard all day. That's where that whole yard farmer shit come from. I was rapping in the yard. See that bottle pop off when I say that shit?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the worst bottle popper too. I could have worn it. So when I came home, man, I just took that little money, went in the yard, see that bottle pop off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the worst bottle popper, too. I should have warned you. So when I came home, man, I just took that little money, went in the studio, started recording them raps that I had wrote. And what studio was that? Was, um, not the Cutting Room?

Nah, it wasn't no Cutting Room. It was some bullshit down in Broom Street. We walk up the stairs. Brielle? Brielle. Nah, you had to walk up a big-ass flight of steps, and that's when niggas had reels and shit. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's not real. That's real. I was called, damn, damn, damn. No mystery. Okay, yeah, I don't know that one. I was called no mystery. So that shit was like, so I went in there and shit, and I just. No mystery was a mystery.

It became a mystery. That shit became a mystery because I went in that motherfucker and was like, yeah, this shit got to work. I ain't got no plan B, no plan C. I ain't got no education. I'm 22 years old. I just did fucking seven years in the joint. I got to make this shit work.

You know what I'm saying? I'm in jail. I'm in and out of jail my fucking teenage years. But was this the time when you came out? You said, that was my last time? Yeah, yeah. After the seven, the stretch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I said, this is it, man. This is it. I got to do something with my life and shit. You didn't have kids yet? Nah, nah. Okay, but you still knew. You still knew it was a better thing. Yeah.

Okay, got it. Because, you know, when you know, you've been in there. So when you in there, you see them old timers who be schooling you like, yo, little nigga, I've been in the seat of a nigga with a 77 number and shit. Exactly, exactly. I'm born in 77. You too, nigga. You're born and shit.

I'm like, what the fuck? And he's like, yeah, man, you could end up being like me. You make one mistake, your ass will be here for the rest of your life. So I was like, you know what? That shit always stayed in the back of my head. You know what messed me up the other day? When we were speaking to Wallo, and Wallo sat down with us, and he told us he did 20 years.

So I was kind of nervous to ask him for the crime. Crazy. Because I think when I asked him the crime, it was for two robberies. I just was blown away because of the Pennsylvania law. Pennsylvania. Like, imagine, imagine. Commonwealth shit. Word.

Yeah, he said a murder would get less. A murder would get less. Yeah, he would think a body for that time. Word, that's what I thought, so I didn't really want to ask. Yeah, nah, that's crazy. I didn't know that shit. Robberies? Yeah, so when I came out, man, I was like, this is going to be it.

I had a dude who knew a couple niggas and shit, who was locked up with me and shit. He knew a couple niggas in the street. He's like, yo, we can get you some beats from, it was a kid named Mark Ronson who ended up being a fucking. Oh, shit. Yeah. He ended up putting me with, Mark Ronson was the first one to sign up. I think I was. I think I was.

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He had just started. He was a DJ. He used to DJ for all the big parties and shit. All the white parties we couldn't get in and shit. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. So he was like, yo, I used to carry the nigga records.

I remember one time carrying the nigga records and I see Run from Run DMC. Whoa. Nigga like, that's how I started. Shorty keep it up. I'm like, nigga, I ain't. I got a little offended. I'm like, what you talking about, man?

This is my producer. But back then, that was a rite of passage. It was a rite of passage. Yeah, carrying crates and shit. You know what I'm saying? So it went from there.

Mark Ronson, I did the deal with Mark Ronson. It was like a six-month deal situation. But at the time, you know, I came home with that stupid-ass mindset still. So,

while I got these songs, I'm giving my songs to like like, DJ Clue and K Slay and all these niggas. And, you know, I pass you my CD. I'm waiting for my shit to be on your mixtape. My shit ain't on your mixtape. It's like, we got a problem. That was my mind state. So, you got mad at the DJs? I had beef with every DJ in New York City.

Every single DJ in New York City hated me, though. Every single one. K Slade was the only one, and I tell this shit all the time, Slade was the only one that sat me down and was like, nah, you ain't gonna get nowhere like this, my nigga. You can't make a nigga play your shit, you know what I'm saying? What you gonna do if they don't play? You gonna do something to them, go back to jail? That deal was the Atlantic

deal? Nah. Oh, okay. That was just with Mark Ronson. That was with Mark Ronson. Yeah. That was Mark Ronson. That was with Mark Ronson. Yeah. That was with Ronson and shit. And so when that shit didn't really pan out, it was too, we were like too different as far as where we came from. Yeah, it was kind of too different. So then I just hit, I pounded the

pavement again and went out there and Slay was fucking me after that. He was like, you're a little knucklehead, but I like your style. He was like, I like your style. So the nigga Slay, I was like, yo, would you host a mixtape for me and shit? And he was like, yeah, my nigga, just tell me what to say. Make what you want me to say.

He did the drops. I put a mixtape together, and I just hit the streets with that shit. My life changed. And Slay's a super legend. Make some noise for K-Slay. So how did you initially link up with Just Blaze? Sycamore. Sycamore, he's a legend, man.

Yeah, Sycamore, he was a young kid at the time. Remember he used to make them instrumental mixtapes? Remember everybody around him? Yeah, Sycamore. In the background, he used to make them mixtapes and shit. So I got with him, I started doing freestyles and shit, and he was like, yo, one day he called me out the blue, and I was going home and shit.

I was living in New Jersey. I was going home. A nigga was like, yo, would you want to fuck with Just Blaze, and I was going home and shit. I was living in New Jersey. I was going home, and nigga was like, yo, would you want to fuck with Just Blaze? I'm like, nigga, what the fuck? Just Blaze was Just Blaze already? Yeah. He was going to be Just Blaze.

He had the Nintendo shit. He had the Nintendo shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Joystick and all that was growing up. He owned Bassline at the time. He owned it. He was Just Blaze at the time. Okay.

So he was like, yo, I'm thinking about starting this new label and shit. You know, so he brought me down there I played on music I had and then it was like yo man I'm doing this label you want to be my like nigga let's do it cuz I'm thinking about the beats I ain't think about his business sense I'm just thinking about all my to had a best piece of the world those that was like you're not cool with his business sense uh I would say it's his business sense I just think he didn't care enough.

You know what I'm saying? So one thing sometimes signing to an artist or a label or a producer that's rich, sometimes they put themselves in front of you. There was no handling in his business. I represent for him. I don't think they know they're doing that. You know what? He don't even go hard for himself, though.

Oh, wow. When I seen that, like, Just could be way bigger. Think about it. What's the last Just Blaze song you heard out on the record or even out? Like, a lot since him and Swizz battled, we've just been quiet. But it ain't because he ain't got it no more. I know, but he's been quiet since that battle. He was quiet before the battle.

Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, he was. Yeah, like, he only come out once every three, four years because he's a motherfucker. I'm just thinking about why I can't be DJing like a motherfucker right now. He got dancing in Portland. That motherfucker ain't good. You know what I mean? He ain't tripping He's a motherfucker. I'm just thinking about why I can't be DJing. He got a band sitting in Portland. That motherfucker ain't tripping. And he DJ. Yeah, that's his passion.

He's just the EDM stuff, I think, too. Yeah, that nigga, he ain't hurting for nothing. So he come with Beyonce call. Beyonce call, J. Cole, you're working on something. That's when he like Rick Ross. He only come for the A-list big names. You know what I'm saying? And he earned that though

Right no doubt When you hop for 20 years straight Right You just had like a 20 year run Right yeah that's hard Know what I'm saying That ain't That's not for a producer

That ain't easy Niggas is Once your sound is done You're done Like in this shit You know man So I got with him But come to find out

I wasn't even signing him Them niggas did the The Yoke and the Yoke What they did What they did Y'all will tell us What they did So bust it And I ain'all will tell us. What they did, y'all did.

So bust it. And I ain't realize this time I was trying to get out the deal. So I'm thinking the whole time I'm signed to Just Blaze. Just Blaze got

a production company. No, Just Blaze is signed to G and Hop. I'm signed to G and Hop. Hip Hop 1978? Yeah, so I'm signed

to them niggas without even realizing. So you signed to the nigga that signed to the nigga. Exactly. You signed to the homie that signed to nigga. Exactly. That's what it is. You signed to the homie that signed to the homie.

That was a fact. And I didn't realize that until I was trying to get out the deal. Wow. And I'm like, what the fuck is Rock the Mic? It was called Rock the Mic. They had made a whole other company called Rock the Mic. And I'm like, everything was rocking it. You know what I'm saying?

It was ROC, Rock the Mic. So I'm like, what the fuck is Rock the Mic? I thought it was something. I don't know about a term, but looking at those two CEOs, G and Hop. The best in the mic. So I'm like, what the fuck is rock the mic? I thought it was something- I'll give a better term for looking at those two CEOs, G and Hop. The best in the game. Hip hop, super hip hop dude. Best in the game. You go, I got in a car with hip hop one time, all he played was Alchemist. All Alchemist, it didn't care about what artist it was, so he knows hip hop. And then G, I imagine,

has to be the same. So what could have happened with G and Hop? Because Del's, to me, seemed like, when I went through your music today and yesterday, when I was going through, and I was just listening to it, I was like, that seemed like the perfect CEOs for you. Yeah, it was. So I'm very curious. You, you fucked my shit up. Who, me? Yeah.

Me? You and Capone. Oh, nah, nah, nah, nah. I know you're playing. No, I'm dead ass. No, what are you talking about? No, I definitely don't know. My nigga, you and Capone fucked my life up, my nigga.

How could you say that, man? I'ma break it down, right? I'm totally confused. I'm totally confused, bro. I'm into this. I'ma bust it down. That whole Mobb Deep shit, right? That whole Mobb Deep shit.

When that incident happened, if you remember that night, y'all was performing. Yeah, I was there. I was there. I only went there to see y'all niggas. Yeah, that was true. I knew I had a problem with people.

Let me tell you. I didn't know. I didn't. Are we getting there to see Yanni's. Yeah, that was true. I knew I had a problem with you. Let me tell you. I did. Are we getting there so fast? Hold on. You can't just go. We were saving this to the middle of the interview. Okay. You were straight into it.

Just get a shot going on. Oh, it's a lot. It's a lot, man. Because you fucked me up more than once. Break it down. Break it down. Because I really don't know where you're taking it. Y'all double fucked me up.

Because I don't know where you're doing with this. Indirectly, without even knowing. So boom, it was a CNN reunion. Y'all was doing a reunion show. No, it wasn't a CNN reunion. It was a Hot 97.

Are you talking about the Prodigy? Yeah, the Prodigy show. It was the first time they wanted CNN and Mobb Deep to perform both albums

in its entirety. So we were supposed to perform War Report and they were supposed to perform Infamous exactly that's my bad this is then I know you and P have problems exactly what it was I know I had problems over there cuz true like cuz okay true like okay yeah you know saying boom you know true like my brother and shit so I go in a joint I'm thinking I just want to see T on why and I'm getting a

fuck up at it like that's my favorite I'm like I thought see these niggas do-Y and I'm getting the fuck up out of it. That's my favorite rap song in the world. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, after I see these niggas do T-O-N-Y, I'm getting the fuck out of here. I'm thinking it's S-O-B's. I could be low in the corner. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Right. And get the fuck up out of there after y'all niggas do what y'all do. I believe we were supposed to go first, but they went first for some reason.

What year? What time frame is this? Like 07, like 2007 or some shit. Okay. Because of the fight, that's why they ended up just going on stage.

When you look at the video... There wasn't nothing that happened with y'all backstage. Nah, when you look at the video, you see when the fight break out, you see all them niggas on stage with me. That ain't how it started. I was on stage by myself. What happened?

Them niggas, no! Them niggas walked on stage. That's what I look at. So many years ago, I'm sorry. I was on stage dolo. And then I see these niggas coming from both. That's what I know. So many years ago. I'm sorry. I was on stage, Dolo. And then I see these niggas coming from both sides of the stage. Okay, Bully was there. I'm like, yeah. The dual bully, right?

That's the nigga that grabbed me from the back. Yeah, the bully. You're going to do a refresher on my memory. I'm sorry. Go ahead. So, nigga said the bully. You just watched this whole thing? No, no, no.

I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I just listened to his music. I didn't even know to go there this far. He's going to be. Yeah, I'm going into what the fuck happened. So I start out by myself on stage.

When people go on YouTube and look at it and they see all them niggas on stage, them niggas wasn't on stage when I... And I wasn't even going to go on stage

until Peter Rosenberg was like, yo, you got that come on baby, yeah, come on baby, shit is hot. I said, this ain't the place,

cuz. Like, I understand what you're saying. You got a hot record, you perform it. Nah, I'm telling you, man. This is what hot. I said, this ain't the place, cuz. Like, I understand what you're saying. You got a hot record, you perform it. Nah, I'm telling you, man.

This is what you, I said, this ain't it, man. This is nothing but Queens. Right, right, right.

They gotta hit it hard on me, so. You know what I'm saying? So I do the shit anyway. And while I'm doing it, all them niggas walk on stage and,

you know, I get through it. But Havoc is hugging me saying, it ain't no beef, son. Ain't no beef. So I'm like, what the fuck y'all niggas walk on stage, and I get through it. But Havoc is hugging me, saying, it ain't no beef, son. It ain't no beef. So I'm like, what the fuck y'all niggas on stage for? Y'all niggas just came to celebrate me?

Like, nah. What the fuck y'all doing? I thought it was they turn to go. Nah, it was mine. So the nigga, he's hugging me like it ain't no beef. While you're performing? While I'm performing. If you look at the shit, I'm barking back and forth.

He's rocking with me. I see his cousin Prince, who I knew since I was young in Brooklyn. He's got a cousin named Prince who's getting super busy. When I see Prince, I'm like, what up, son? He's like, what up, nigga? I'm like, I'm good. He's like, yeah, you good, nigga. So I was like, oh, shit.

That's when I started smiling. Like, oh, shit, I'm good. Like, Prince ain't going to let it, you know what I mean? But let me ask you something. Had anything physical ever happened with y'all prior to that? Almost. Okay. We're about to get it on in another club. Okay. You know what I mean? But let me ask you something. Had anything physical ever happened with y'all prior to that? Almost. Okay. We about to get it on in another club.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? But ain't shit happen because them niggas talking about, I was like, let's bang, let's fight. Them niggas like, nah, we don't fight, we shoot. I was like, all right, whatever. So that shit wasn't about nothing. The whole shit wasn't about nothing because me and P had a relationship. Right.

It's just like, bro, man, nigga, don't, don't, don't. And the one thing I didn't like, and I don't really like to talk about Prodigy too much because he's not here to defend himself. That would have happened. If he was here, he would say the same thing. I knew him that much. Facts over feelings. Facts over feelings we doing, right? Let's ask Saigon because I'm going for

watermelon because I am a nigger. Okay. Let me rephrase that. I got to stop using that word. You got to stop yourself, man. Nah, nah, let me rephrase that. Nah, nah, nah, I gotta stop using that word. I gotta stop using it. But I am like, I am like, I am the yande, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I really like watermelon, so I just wanna throw it out there.

It's not a rumor. I'm going watermelon, but you could go D'Ussé. You feel like a brown-looking type of guy. Yeah, we could go D'Ussé. You go D'Ussé? Oh, okay, okay. And you know, you the only dude in 400 years that got a verse from Hov, you know what I'm saying?

Let's make some noise for that. Bring that down. But let's stick it to the story. Let's stick to the story. Let's stick, that's not on rock for the only person that got a, especially at that time. And it's still hard to get a verse from Hov. But, okay, so bring this down.

You wouldn't have, okay, now I'm remembering the story. Yeah. And I'm not even remembering the U2, I'm remembering me from being there. I'm good. From me being there. Yo, I'm good, fam. Oh, the story. Yeah. And I'm not even remembering the YouTube. I'm remembering me from being there. I'm good. From me being there. Yo, I'm good, fam.

Oh, the story or? No, I'm good. Okay, okay. All right, so it was the hand, you and Hav had the arm around each other. Yeah. So I see Prince and Prince is like, I asked Prince, I'm like, ain't no problems. He's like, nah, ain't no problems. So now when I go to walk off the stage, you know what I'm saying, that's when I guess

he called himself the bully or whatever the fuck he was. He grabbed me from behind, and that's when the whole shit went down. That's when I put my back on the wall, and shit went down. You know what I mean? I get home, my nigga. That night. I knew what I just did. You know, I get home, I go on Worldstar.

You were like the first viral rapper at the time. Yes, my nigga. Good and bad, right? That was good and bad? Nah, that was horrible at the time. Okay. Because them niggas put out a nigga named Jordan Towers, I think his name is. Okay, I know Jordan.

I like regular plastic. Jordan Towers, that's his name? The nigga who used to make videos and shit? Yes, yes, yes, the white guy. This nigga went, yeah, white. When I see him, I'm slapping him. He wants to be like, black, so bad. In 2020 or 21, I would slap him today just for that.

And this was 13 years ago. Wow. Because when I went home, like, I felt like a hero when I went home. Because I ain't gonna lie, I thought I was gonna die in that club, my nigga. Where's the EFF shot, man? I went home,

I go on fucking Worldstar, and this nigga, they got me, yo, when Saigon's under the table, we stomping him under the table. You don't remember they put out a video? Yeah. Oh, we chased Saigon out the club.

Oh, look at them. They niggas put fucking subtitles. Oh, wow. Yeah, they put out. It was ugly. It was ugly, my nigga. So I'm sitting there like, ain't this some shit, my nigga? So I'm looking at the comments.

They like, oh, shit, sad day in hip hop. I'm looking at this. This nigga career is over. And they had the title Mobb Deep Chases Saigon out the corner. Okay, that title,

I didn't see under the thing. Oh, yeah, they said he stomped me under the table. Because it wasn't until the next day, I think,

that they actually showed footage of you hitting. Yeah, because SOBs. For that first couple, now I understand what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What the hell happened, yo? I couldn't walk outside, man. I couldn't go outside. For Salud, Salud, we taking a shot ran out. I couldn't go outside. I couldn't go outside. Salute. We'll be taking a shot for that. We'll be taking a shot.

I couldn't even go outside. Salute. Salute. So could people, okay. I couldn't even go outside, no. So in your mind, are you hoping that this footage will come out? I didn't. Yo, my nigga, in my mind.

Keep it real. I'm praying. I'm praying. Let's be clear. If footage comes out, you know you kind of won that. Yeah. And you against a whole team.

I'm going to make you feel better. I'm going to make you feel better. I'm going to make your team feel better. I'm going to make everybody feel better. I had an impromptu beef. Oh, yeah. With Marv. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And when P's book came out, it made me... I lost my mind. And came out, I lost my mind. And the reason why I lost my mind is that I'm not bragging, I'm not saying, and that beef, I knew I won.

You knew you won. I knew I won. Same shit with me, bro. So it kind of felt like to me, like someone came up to me and smacked me and then I beat the shit out of them and then years later,

the person said, I smacked Nori. And I'm like, great, you did. But that's what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what happened after you what happened yeah exactly let's be clear so i'm not you know you know everything is straws guap recipes you know what i'm saying all that but this is history if prodigy was here he would have a podcast and he would be saying this right now so you know god bless the dead we want to be clear but this is a part of history so so you can take it from there.

Yo, why that fucking Ciroc don't got a cap on it, bro? Which one? The one I just drank out of? Come on, bro. Come on, look, I'm on point. Listen, I'm on point, man. Yeah, look at that.

Make sure. Let's go. Okay. So, when that video was out, I mean, I'm getting killed. I stopped reading the comments. I started deleting my social medias

and all that shit. Fuck this. This is Worldstar. Worldstar is lit. World star was everything. This is a bad moment. Whoever was taping in SOBs comes out with a tape like, this is the real story. And that

shit redeemed me, bro. That shit was redemption. You talk about a happy nigga, I was like, thank you. This is what really happened. And I wasn't, yo, my nigga. I remember you didn't say, I didn't run. Of course I didn't run, you know? I was outnumbered.

I didn't run, I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped.

I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped.

I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. I escaped. It was 50 niggas. Niggas was throwing bottles and shit.

Right, right, right. The fuck I was supposed to stand there and do? And was you conscious of the person you was swinging at? Or you just swung at anybody? Yeah, nah, nah.

I knew it was Potashie because he was walking up to me like, I got you now. And in my mind, I'm like, these niggas going to stomp a bone out my ass after this? I thought I was going to get fucked up.

You might as well just... I made the conscious decision, like, even if they fuck me up, this nigga going to understand I ain't nothing to play with. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. Yeah, I'm going to go out on my own.

And they happened to let me get away. You know what I'm saying? And I ain't like, I just punched the nigga and ran. I was going to go out on my own. And they happened to let me get away. You know what I'm saying? And I ain't like, I just punched the nigga and ran. I was on stage for two, three minutes after the shit. And it was like, oh, shit, an escape route. And we got the fuck up out of there because they was chasing the wrong nigga. What happened, they was all chasing the wrong nigga at first. One nigga was like, the nigga's still on stage.

They was all chasing another nigga. So I swear to God, if you look, you see everybody chasing another nigga. Until one nigga was like, nah, he's still right there. Then they start regrouping and shit. That's when it was like, all right, it's time to get the fuck up out of here. So what was the first time? Because you said this was the second time. This was the second incident we had.

So what was the first time? It was in a club. And I knew I had a problem with the nigga because. Now, because you wasn't there when True Life was burning the CDs. Wasn't that a part of it? Yeah, it was. Okay, all right. It's a CD burning. Yeah, but you wasn't there when true life is burning the cds wasn't that yeah okay yeah yeah they tried but that was it wasn't about the cds it was about when when true life robbed them over that verse okay over the with the verse it wasn't even about

the cds because we had a stack of cds it wasn't just a mob deep cd okay it was we went to the bootleggers and like give us the whole stack and we burnt the whole stack no man nobody was singling them out they just happened to be in the stack. No man. It was really over that beef DVD Okay, where where they show where where you live in and they know life in LES. Yeah Okay, exactly That's what that shit was over So I bump in and like I said me and prodigy had a relationship so I see him in a club and was sick of more It's not again sick of I guess sick of my mom. That's my little bro. Okay, and and I said me and Prodigy had a relationship so I see him in a club I'm with Sycamore at the time against Sycamore

that's my little bro and I'm like yo fam I go to try to dap him up and his man one of them big niggas around him

was like I'm like yo and he ain't say nothing I'm waiting for him to be like nah let's talk cause I'm like fam y'all beef is y'all beef

my nigga you know what I'm saying but you do understand how he could've took it if you burned the CD the person's right there. You're right, you're right. Just imagine me burning

the CD. The perception of it. You see an EFN. You probably would feel the same way. But me and E got a relationship, so I'd be like,

E, what's up? That's different. That's me, you know what I'm saying? Now you changed the story. Yeah, that's how it's coming to him. I'm like, fam, you know what I'm saying?

If we could've talked, sometimes communication gets you further. That's what we need to learn at. And I learned how to grow up and become a man to learn that shit.

So I'm like, yo, you know what? So once he got on some ra-ra shit, I'm like, let's go outside, my nigga. We can box.

I can fight, nigga. You want to fight, motherfucker? I told that nigga at Sycamore, I said, I'll fight any one of y'all niggas

straight up. One back, just don't jump me. I'll fight any one of y'all niggas straight up one back just don't jump me I'll fight any one of y'all the big nigga the small nigga the ugly nigga in the back I'll fight any one of y'all niggas

and niggas like yo we don't fight nigga we don't do that and his man had a hammer when I seen his man his man showed the hammer when I seen that

I kind of was like alright you know what I'm saying just know just know y'all niggas don't want to fight. Y'all niggas, I ain't got no guns, so all right, you got it. And that was that.

And then the second incident was at the SOB shit. Now, this is where Capone and Noriega comes back. Let's see how they fuck you up. This is how y'all niggas come back and just fuck into the cycle. All right, cool. So, boom. Now, you know how Atlantic Records, I'm a brand new artist. I ain't even have my deal. So, now you know how Atlantic Records this is I'm a brand new artist

I ain't even had my deal so now you're on Atlantic yeah I'm on Atlantic come on baby we got the Jay Z remix already so we trying to just let the regular shit bubble and make it look like

it got so hot Jay hopped on the remix but we already had the verse and all that and I it's funny cause I played the shit for Ebro and niggas used to always

be like yo why you fuck with Ebro he's a sucker I used to be like nah Ebro. And niggas used to always be like, yo, why you fuck with Ebro? He's a sucker. I used to be like, nah, Ebro cool. I used to be the nigga vouching for this nigga. Like, y'all bugging. Now that nigga's a sucker. I'm like, nah, man, Ebro's a good nigga.

That's me. Like a fucking dummy. So, yeah. Let me tell you what the nigga did to me, son. Yeah, Ebro did you dirty too. Ebro fucking caused a calls Atlantic and was like, yo, Saigon was involved

in an altercation at SOB's at a Hot 97 event and he's banned from the Hot 97 for a year. We can't play nothing. Atlantic was like,

what? That's all they give a fuck about is radio up there. If you ain't on the radio, if you ain't on the box, as that nigga would say, they not fucking with you. So I call Ebro. I said, E, I'm a new artist They not fucking with you. So I call E, bro.

I said, E, I'm a new artist, my nigga. I'm a brand new artist, bro. Doing this is like cutting it. You might as well just fucking my shit up right now. I'm like, bro, number one, nobody got hurt. It was a little scuffle. No, the police didn't come. Niggas performed after that.

Yo, my G. Every time he said, my G, I wanted to slap the nigga through the phone, my nigga. Yo, my G. I can't hear that,, I wanted to slap the nigga through the phone, my nigga. Yo, my G. I can't hear that, bro. Yeah, you hear it, right? Sorry. I'm trying to keep a straight face, but you're making it hard.

Yo, yo, yo. I'm like, fam, doing this shit is, you're killing me, E-Bro. Right. The nigga goes, yo, it's policy. Axie, Axe Capone, and Noriega.

Yeah. I said them niggas had a shootout in the lobby. Definitely did the same. Oh, yeah. I said, I don't support you, but, yo. Yo. He was like, yo, this is what I, yo, we're niggas.

But I said, fam, first of all, I wasn't at Hot 97. I was at SOBs. Like, I didn't, yeah, I didn't see them. Good point, bro. Yeah, I said, I'm not fucking at Hot 97. He compared it to what y'all niggas did. And I said, yo, are you fucking out of your mind, bro? Let me stop you right there.

Allegedly, brother. Yeah, allegedly. I wasn't there, by the way. I was not there. I was not there. Hey, allegedly, and I was not there. But continue. You was on Hudson Street.

No, I was on Western Highway. I actually had a rhyme. To keep it real, I said, I wasn't there, but if I was, it'd been a lot more, yeah, going off than it was. I actually got a rhyme. To keep it real, I said I wasn't there, but if I was, it'd been a lot more going off than it was. I actually got a rhyme where I said that. I got another bar you guys want to ask you about. OK, OK. Right now?

Or you want to build it up? Build it up? We got some time, so I go, I mean, you came late because of Vincent and his shit that he be on. You know what I'm saying? Vincent Lambino. Where is Vinny? You know we love him.

He's not here anymore. We love him. He's a great guy. He's in not here anymore. He's a great guy. He's in the body room. He's a great guy. Come on, Vinny. And my nickname for him is Lamborghini. Lamborghini.

And he got his head laid. And he got his head laid. That means that the V12 ain't working, Vinny. What's going on? Yeah, so when he said that, I was like, now it seems like it's personal, bro. Because you got to look at it like this, my nigga. You know the importance of a I said I work I went as far saying he brought work my whole life to get here man I work my whole life and you

don't have the jay-z verse this point yeah my nigga I played it for him personally he's gonna look at this and be terrible for me wait a minute my nigga he knew you had a jay-z version you know I in he took one of on the Jay-Z version. He's definitely going to say, he's going to watch this right now and say, he's going to say, Saigon is telling the truth.

Where's the camera? I mean, he's not telling the truth. Fuck you, nigga. You lucky. You lucky something ain't happening to your suck ass. Because I was the nigga that was vouching for this nigga.

Everybody was like, you fuck with that suck ass nigga? No, but you're saying he fronted on the Jay-Z version? Bro, he took me off the rack. He fronted on any song. I could have made Thriller. It sounds like it changed your whole career right there.

I could have made Thriller that night. You're going to be like, what? You know what I'm saying? Okay, and I will... I got banned from the radio for a year. I will play devil's advocate. Go ahead. They did ban us for the same...

Y'all niggas was letting us do the hot rocking. Y'all niggas Like Yeah That's a whole different But in his defense I can see An incident Is an incident How my nigga

Nobody got hurt Listen Listen Alright you're right If he don't do that The higher ups Don't even know That shit happened

They not paying attention You're right But I can see His position at the time Now I'm just playing Dead by advocate What I can see is They just looking at Violence as being violence That's the one thing I learned about But in the media his position at the time. Now, I'm just playing devil advocate. What I could see is they're just looking at violence as being violence.

That's the one thing I learned about. But if you watch the tape, let me double your devil's advocate. But violence is violence, though. But what about when you're defending yourself, and the tape shows you walking off peacefully, and a nigga grab you from the back? What am I supposed to be like, oh, shit, I wouldn't defend myself, but I'm at a hot 97.

That was our story too. I'm just being honest, man. I am not one of those things. That was our story too. And we couldn't say that to the feds, because that's snitching. So we had to say that to only hot 97. Only hot 97. We couldn't have said, when the feds came, we were just like, mm, mm.

Y'all figure it out. You had a fad. You had a fad when the feds came. Oh, I'm sorry. That's true. That is true. Look, look, look. We kind of see that as a separation.

I got into a fucking scuffle. This nigga talking about when the feds came. He had a bar brawl. You had a bar brawl. That's very true. Nobody bleeding. You had a menacing society. I'm not saying he wasn't treated.

I'm not saying he wasn't treated poorly. I'm kind of glad that other people was treated bad too. Because I thought it was just me. So when the label seen that, they wasn't fucking with me at all. They was like, oh, you a troublemaker, nigga. Oh, you out here, you can't get on the radio. So they was like, nigga.

And it was against Mobb Deep. And Mobb Deep had a reputation of being the troublemaker. So you had the troublemaker's troublemaker. And I was was against Ma Deep and Ma Deep had a reputation of being the troublemaker so you had the troublemaker's troublemaker. And I was around with True Life and True Life was the supreme

troublemaker at the time so we was in trouble all the time so it was like oh this nigga's a liability. You know what I'm saying? And we ain't putting

no we ain't pumping no more and he trying to make positive shit because they ain't want me making a positive music. That's the good thing about you right? That's the best thing

about you. They hated that shit bro. Your balance. Yeah. I a positive music. That's the good thing about you. That's the best thing about you. They hated that shit, bro. Your balance. I love your balance. I love the fact that I can listen to you and I can want to punch a person in the face. And then hug them. I also want to do salat.

At the same time, I want to... You know what I'm saying? You understand that us being together is what's strong. It's important. That's why I compared you to Pac. And I know when I was saying the thing, that's the most thing that I got from Pac. Was Pac was conscious enough to say, we got to stand together.

Was also conscious enough to say, as we're standing together, if you step on my toe. Yeah. It's a duality. It's a duality too hard, I might launch you in your face. And that was crazy, but that's actually, you said duality? Yeah. That's the story, that's been the story of my life, bro.

I was never, all the trouble I used to get in, it's because somebody was taking my kindness for weakness. And the nigga would be like, oh, this nigga smiled too fucking much. Or this nigga, you know what I'm saying? He say please and thank you way too much. Nigga, my mother gave me manners, motherfucker. Some of the toughest guys that know got manners.

Yeah, the roughest niggas you meet is going to have them. They pull out chairs for ladies, hold the doors for ladies. And I happen to be one of those guys. Instead of people appreciating that shit, they look at it and go, oh, this nigga must be soft. This nigga must be pussy. I ain't gonna lie, if I was outside looking in, everyone in this room could probably look in your face and say, you don't have the pussy guy face.

So it might have been your ego. I don't know, man. I don't think anybody could look at you in this room and say, this guy looks like a pussy. That's because I grew the beard, son. That's why I grew this shit. I cut this shit out like Dougie Fresh, man. Dead ass, man.

Okay, okay, okay. I look mad at him. Dougie ain't no sucker. He looks approachable. Dougie ain't no sucker. He looks approachable. He's approachable. He looks approachable.

He looks like a guy who'd be like, oh, this nigga. I can talk to him. Yeah, I can dig his pocket. Or I can nigga's a nigga. I can talk to him. Yeah, I can dig his pocket. Or I can talk to him. Or I can talk to him. And once people realize I wasn't that guy, it's kind of like, I done did some shit that was extreme, and I jammed myself up. So that's where the duality come from when I got in the music business, because I did so much fucked up shit in the street. I used to act bad God, and I made a promise to God when I was in prison.

I said, God, you do let me out of here first, because you know, you could die in that motherfucker easily. I'm like, if you get me out of here, and you let me get on this rap shit, I'm not going to kick that shit to sending niggas in here. I'm going to kick, because I used to listen to Speakin' to Mobb Deep. When I used to say to all the killers in the $100 village, when I'm a little 15-year-old kid, I'm ready to grip up.

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, to real niggas who ain't got no feelings. I'm like, I ain't got no feelings. Fuck this shit. Because that shit

is impressionable. Y'all niggas. How is your idols becoming your rivals? I mean, I just had to ask that question because I went through it with Sticky Fingers.

I went through it with so many of these niggas. Wait a minute. He's pussy. He's super pussy. Yo, these niggas are pussy, bro. These niggas are's super pussy. Yo, these niggas are pussy, bro. These niggas are pussy.

This is the thing. Let me not say pussy because I sound... They soft. They soft, my nigga. They soft because this is why. This is why I say it

because number one, it's true. And number two is like any nigga who has that kind of... You know you got that kind of influence. You're going to pull that shit back, especially when you see shit happening. Like, oh shit, my songs is getting, I had a song, Come Again, like sing, come again. That song in Connecticut was getting niggas, like wouldn't let me perform it. And they was like, I'm like, why can't they?

They was like, because niggas start shooting when that shit come on, they start whiling. So that made me mindful enough to not make no shit like that. I didn't want to be responsible for a nigga getting killed because of my music. I didn't look at that shit like, oh, word? My niggas get hyped and turn up and start... I didn't feel proud about that shit. I was like, damn, I don't want to be there.

What if some innocent body, they start shooting, some girl gets shot in the neck or some dumb shit happen, or a little kid gets shot, because I don't want to be responsible for that. So that's another thing that made me tone down my lyrics. But at the same time, you do want your record to lift you up. But that's the thing, man.

Not with that price. I don't know why you brought up the sticky, but what happened there? Oh, because I said something, you know, the Murder Dog magazine, I did an article and I was saying, I was telling a nigga how I grew up listening to a lot of niggas and their music was so influential, it made me do dumb shit. And Throw Your Guns was another one. Throw Your Guns and the air. What, my nigga? I was. Nigga.

That shit, you start, the video and all. Nigga had the crooked eye. I'm watching this shit as a little kid like, this nigga's a killer. You know what I'm saying? He got, yo, they made that shit look so real right and it's and that's why i said i know the part the power of music the power of music is so how did they go wrong because i we we did it we ended up doing a show because i did a interview and the nigga was like yo my nigga it's been brought to my attention you have some

fucked up shit to say about my group i was was like, yeah, I said a few things. You know what I'm saying? He was like, we in Switzerland. We in Switzerland. Hold on, hold on. I'm doing a show. I'm going to see a show. I feel like you got this.

I feel like I got this. We doing a show. Let me back up a little bit. We doing a show in Switzerland, and we both won the bill. This is a fucking, we in a hotel. By the way, I want to describe Switzerland. It's probably one of the best. I love Switzerland, bro. By the way, I love Switzerland. It's a beautiful place. And we both want to build this is a fucking we in a hotel describe Switzerland But in nice hotels with a nun but we the only black skin yes

Everybody's white white white winter white look at Donald Trump like, you too are in some way. Yeah, you're white. So I see the nigga and he approaches me and shit. Like, I heard you had some things to say about my group and shit. Y'all in the gym? I just feel like y'all was in the gym. Nah, we was in the lobby. I'm just fucking with you. I'm just fucking with you. You got your diesel nicks.

Nah, we was in the lobby and shit. And I'm like, you know, I said some things. Like, I ain't going to back cut. I don't want to throw a rock in my hands, nigga. Yeah, I said some shit. So he's like, yo, we don't take nice. We don't take, you know, he got the voice on and shit. We don't take nicely and shit like that.

I'm like, fam, check this out. Because he started getting a little too much, too much moving. So I said, yo, you staying in this hotel? He said, yeah. I said, well, I got a room here. You got a room here. We can go handle this like men. Like, we ain't got to do all of this shit and be the niggas making fool of ourselves.

It wasn't like y'all was yelling in the lobby. No, it started to get to that point. So I'm like, if you want to fight, that's what I told you. I always offer a nigga the fair one. I'm a jail nigga. Like, we can, let's do the shoot the five. And then we can take it from there, nigga. We ain't got to always, y'all were killing the other day.

Who was with me? You got to respect me. Oh, nigga shot it? You got to respect me. Who was with you? Oh, nigga shot it? No, no, no. Like the nigga picture that disliked me. And they come up and try to give me a five. I said, yo, man, you got to leave.

I kicked him out of his hood. I ain't lived here 20 years. I kicked him out of his hood. And then when he came, I said, you want to fight? Yeah, you want to fight? Like, immediately jumped up. And he was like, no, no, I don't want to fight Poppy. Because they think I'm Nori.

I'm not Nori. I'm sorry. I know that. That's the thing. Okay, continue. But you're right. That's exactly what he did. I guess he thought I was going to cower. And when I didn't cower, I'm like, fam, we can get this shit off our chest if we got a problem.

Like, this is easy. You staying in this hotel? I'm here too. Let's box, nigga. And then we can, that nigga was like, yo, you drink, fam? Like, this is easy. You staying in this hotel? I'm here, too. Let's box, nigga. Like, and then we can. That nigga was like, yo, you drink, fam? This is the funny part of this shit.

I was like, where you going with this? I was like, yeah, I drink. Like, let's go to the bar, son. And the nigga bought me drinks all night. That's hard, though. While he buying me drinks, I'm like, you could have approached me like this in the beginning. Right, to talk it out. But what if I would have just slapped you?

Like, he came up to me on some rah-rah shit. And when he said I was, when he seen that I was willing to take it there, he wanted to go have a drink. We could have had a drink from the rip. You know what I'm saying? I respect that. And this is the thing with these niggas. It's like, because these niggas are rappers. Like you said, I'm not a, I just happen to know how to rap good.

Yeah, I love it. But I fucking, the shit I've been through and I've been through and the work I put in in the street, my nigga, I know good and well. It might be one or two of these niggas who went down that road. And you're one of them. You know what I'm saying? Kapone's one of them. You know what I'm saying? It's not a lot of us. But how conflicted it is, right, for you, right, specifically, because you actually have knowledge of yourself.

You can listen to you, and you know that you read books. You know you know right from wrong. You know that, you know, everything that's going on. How hard was it? Not now, because I imagine now you've got to be super, super wiser, wiser, wiser, wiser, wiser. But from back then, was you ever dealing with a conflicted conflict? Like, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But from back then, was you ever dealing with a conflicted conflict? Yeah.

Yeah. That's why I named myself Saigon, bro, because Saigon was a war-torn city. Saigon was a city in Vietnam. That's where the name come from. That's where America invaded? Yeah. But the black soldiers over there was like, yo, the Viet Cong, the natives, used to tell the black soldiers, like, yo, this ain't your war.

What the fuck y'all niggas killing us for? Yeah, go home. Yeah, not only home. Go home to America. Go home to where they don't even treat you like shit. You're over here fighting for a country that hates your ass. That treats you like shit. And you willing to kill us for a country because it was us who was over there putting in the work.

You know what I'm saying? It was us getting super busy, you know, like we do. So they like, yo, what the fuck are y'all, what are y'all doing, nigga? You don't even got rights. You're drinking out of dirty water fountains and shit.

You can't even go to, you know what I mean? You ain't got no... So a lot of them motherfuckers stayed there. They AWOLed out the army. They never came back to America. These motherfuckers

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When I went to Asian countries and I see how they treated the black man like God. Like God, they love us. They always mess with me. They'll follow you down the street. They'll look at you and all. We're like exotics. we're like we're like exactly they will see see different you know so I'm married you know but you know I mean like that's how they look at you I think you go to Japan you like were maybe just

looking at you you thinking like is they to Japan, you like, they be just looking at you, you thinking like, they don't even know the word racist at this time. When I was going, they was just looking at me like I was a specimen. And you feel a positive energy. And the energy's like always positive. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Holy mother, definitely sticking my dick in your mouth. Like, these are the closest people I've ever seen. It was great, it was wonderful. You feel like black man's guard out there. Black man's a guard out there. Black Man's Guard. Definitely not in Russia, though. Hey, remember that? In Russia, it wasn't going down like that.

I thought we was going to die together. I thought for sure we was going to die. We were in Russia. Remember the time we was going up the stairs and there's a Russian soccer team going down? I just looked like, man, we had a great run. We thought we was not going to make it out of Russia. Oh, my God. By the way way they so racist in Russia at this

time that they won't even make eye contact with us could just look straight as a knee guy and just look straight oh never been to Russia thank God you never be in the rush in the rush we with you we gotta try it again not Russia in general cause there's certain parts and shout out to the dudes that held us down which their crew

was called Russians Against Racism that's when you know you're landing wrong when the dudes boys are saying Russians Against Racism you're like

wait a minute what the fuck is going on what the fuck is going on out here we in the wrong joint you know what I mean Russians Against Racism I'm sorry that shit was heavy but alright so boom yeah What is this? What's going on out here? We in the wrong joint. You know what I mean? Rusty's against racism.

I'm sorry. That shit was heavy. But alright, so boom. Yeah. So that sticky shit, man. Sticky finger. Yeah, that's where he was at. It was sticky. And then, you know,

it wasn't even that big of a deal. He's just an example. Right. And I use him because of how influenced I was by him. That's the only reason why I use him. It ain't like I'm picking on a nigga. So you've fucked with niggas that you love their music. Yeah, I love them niggas.

And then you wanted to fuck them up. Yeah, that's why I hate gangster rap to this day, bro. I hate gangster rap, my nigga, because this shit is stupid. It's part of the reason why we don't grow, my nigga. It marginalizes us. We more than gangsters, my nigga. How about gangster movies? Well,

we keep telling the same mob tales over and over. How about Wakanda? Let's stop for a second. Homie just passed away. Rest in peace. I want everyone to be quiet. Let's give them

15 seconds of... Come on, Dre. Ready? Carter forever, baby. What's crazy, he got to take a picture with you, right, Dre? We met, we bumped into him in Hollywood on the premiere, right? You know how you know a guy's... When you go on Instagram, you see how many people talk good about this guy.

You know he was really loved. You know what the selfish shit was for me, Saigon? Is immediately I thought, who's going to play Black Panther 2? That's selfish of me, right? That is kind of foul. That's very selfish. He's got to leave him for his family.

It's very selfish. Kids. It's very selfish. Who's going to play Black Panther 2? I want Black Panther too. Who going to play him now, y'all? I don't know. They better not go get

Wesley Snipes over there for that. They better not do that. Wesley could be the villain. It could be Brad B. How do we know he didn't already film something? Exactly.

They might have already filmed. That's what I wanted somebody to say. That's what I wanted somebody to say. We filmed until 2024. They said they knew he had it for four years.

Yo, the strength that he had. And that's the crazy strength that he's been showing, knowing that he never... And to keep it, not to get the sympathy. Yeah, he was fighting it for four years.

He never published it. He never published it. Is that bad or good now? I mean, I think it's good because you don't want... I think it's good that he kept it on the law. Yeah, yeah.

Strength, man. And he was visiting cancer patients. There's pictures of him visiting. But not saying that he had it on the law. Yeah, yeah. Strength, man. He was visiting cancer patients. There's pictures of him visiting. But not saying that he had it. Yeah, because now you go, now you see you're going to get the sympathy and then that shit

might start weighing on your head. Because I think a lot of that shit is your mind, bro. That's why I'm in an age where niggas be like, yo, you got to go get tested for cancer. I'm like, nah, man, fuck that. Because if they tell me I got it,

that's what's going to probably kill me. Right. I'd rather just not wake up one day. That's the way it always is with cancer, too. They tell you you got it. Yo, I'm going to tell you something. I was up north with a nigga, and they told the nigga he had AIDS, my nigga. They told me at AIDS he was HIV positive.

The nigga started losing weight, started getting skinny, started looking sick, all that shit. Nigga's like, oh, shit, something about to die. But whatever happened, they made a mistake. They told the nigga was like, oh shit, something about to die. But whatever happened, they made a mistake. They told the nigga, yo,

your shit keep coming back negative. We fucked up. Come on, come on. We fucked up, yeah. We fucked up, we gave you the wrong diagnosis

and the nigga was literally, his mind was killing him, bro. I believe that. I believe that. That's crazy. Please say that story again. I'm sorry. Not for even the listeners and the followers.

For me. That's a fact, my nigga. That shit fucked me up. Let me get another shot. Let me get another shot. Holy moly guacamole. What did you just say? Kid named Raymond.

I was up and off with the nigga. We was in NAP, I think. Yeah, it was NAP. They told the nigga he had HIV. He had AIDS. The nigga was a healthy nigga. He started stressing so much and stressing out about his life. Nigga started deteriorating. Thinking he had HIV. He had AIDS. The nigga was a healthy nigga. He started stressing so much and stressing out about his life. Nigga started

deteriorating, thinking he had it. Thinking he had the monkey on his fucking back. Started getting skinny and all that shit. Coming, cheeks looking like he was dying. To the point we like, oh, any day now. And then it pops up that this nigga never had it.

They made the mistake, y'all. And they started dying in here. Mind tricks the body. Your mind is incredible. Your mind controls everything, my nigga. Your mind controls everything. The same way you look at a female ass and your dick get hard. That's your mind telling your dick, you attracted to that.

And then you smack it in silicone. It's semen. And then you're semen. You're like, oh, then you smack it and it's silicone. It's cement. You're like, oh shit. There's too many guys in here to have this conversation. Yo, he said you smack it. This is harder than me. This is harder than me, bro. Out here, you got to be careful.

That's a fact. So that's why with the mind shit, when you're dealing with mind, when you're dealing with the powers of the mind, that shit is crazy, bro. Fill them up, too. Like, out here is the only place that somebody walked up to me and was like, yeah, you want some steroids? Like, what the fuck? You ever got open steroids in here?

Nah. I feel like it's twinning. Hey, man, it wasn't twinning. He got open steroids at the same time. He's like, you know, he's just walking around out here. They're crazy. Come on, you got your shot? Yeah, man.

I haven't been seeing your shots been poured. No, I did just walk around out here. They crazy. Come on, you got your shot? Yeah, man. I don't have been seeing your shots been poured. No, I did, I did. No, I poured them myself. All right, cool. Salud. This is because, listen, Saigon, we don't know

if you know, but we celebrate our artists over here. So many people. Salud. You know, first of all, let me say, it's an honor,

it's an honor to be up here. Not because you, first of all, you're one of my favorite hip-hop artists all the time. Oh, thank you. I'm humbled. That's why I got a question for you that's very important. All right, cool, cool. All right,-hop artists all the time. Thank you. I'm humbled.

That's why I got a question for you. Let's take a shot first. Salud. Come on. No disrespect. I'm not trying to be funny, but this is always something I always wondered in the back of my mind. All right. I'm ready. Tragedy, Gaddafi, right? I understand a little bit.

Ah, man. Go wherever you want to go. I understand a little bit. Ah man. Ah man. This nigga's stupid. Go wherever you wanna go. I understand like y'all started off with Tragedy and Gaddafi. We know Gaddafi has been in the game

since we was babies and shit. Absolutely. And um but when y'all got into y'all little beef you said something in the line

that just made me be like I wonder if this is true or not. You said when I met this cat he was eating veggie burgers. Was he really eating veggie burgers? And what's wrong with veggie burgers?

Yo, nah, but the way he flipped that, he said, when I met this cat, he was eating veggie burgers. Now he talking about murder. That made me look for a whole, for many years, I was like, damn, I just mentioned this nigga with a veggie burger. I don't know veggie burgers. I want to answer this because me and Trash, we've been through so much. I want to, and this, because I want to answer this because me and Trash, we've been through so much. I want to answer this honestly

and I want to answer this truthfully. When I first met Trash, he was Muslim, Orthodox Muslim. Oh, okay. So you know what I mean was the white crown, the white thing.

Intelligent hoodlum. Yeah. I don't know about the, what's the intelligence? It was the orthodox Muslim. So in my mind, at that time, he ate veggie burgers.

You know what I'm saying? I was a good kid. I was, you know. That's slick, though. That's real. See the power of music? Because when you said that, I just kept envisioning it.

Yeah, you visualized it. I mean, my body was too. Till this day, I've been seeing the nigga online and be like, I wonder if this nigga eat veggie burgers or visualized it. I mean, my man, he was too. I was seeing the nigga online. I was like, I wonder if this nigga even to go through so much. Yeah, man. But it's love there. And I'm just answering your question. You answered that. So you asked me that. So it wasn't real.

No, no. I mean, in my mind, if you would ask me if it was real, yeah, because that's what I thought people in all white ate at that time. I just thought that everyone, you know, when you see people doing sartoria. It's real to you.

You see people doing sartoria to this day. I see people in all white. I'm like, they vegan. You know what I'm saying? vegan. It's definitely not vegan. This is not a time when that vegan shit wasn't popping back then. So, yeah, this is not now. It was now when the land was not. Everybody had veggie burgers now.

But back then it was like a slight diss. Yeah, exactly. That was, yeah. I was trying to. I was responding. You tell your homie you eat veggie burgers. It's not a good thing. No, exactly. That was, yeah. I was trying to. Like, I was just wanting to. You tell your homie you eat veggie burgers. It's not a good thing.

No, not that. But I had a fucking veggie Whopper yesterday. God damn it. From all burgers. I ain't gonna lie. You don't like them. Am I still the only person

that gets possible Whoppers? That shit is hot. That shit's so green, but it's good. You feel guilty of eating meat, but you know you ain't eating meat? You don't know what

the fuck it is. Yeah, you don't know what the fuck it is. You don't know what the fuck it is. You don't know what the fucking beef patty is, though.? You don't know what the fuck it is. Yeah, you don't know what the fuck it is. You don't know what the fuck it is. You don't know what the fucking beef patty is, though. It's impossible to tell what the fuck it is. Yeah, that's why they call it that.

You fucking beef? It's impossible. Who, me? Yeah, I eat whatever the fuck I want. It's impossible to know what steak is there. This is the thing about the whole vegan shit, right? I ain't vegan. But people are, right?

I just don't eat red meat. People that are, and you know niggas really want to eat meat because they try to make everything taste like meat. So you really want to eat meat? Look it tastes just like meat nigga eat some fucking meat So my whole thing is like alright We know we all gonna die what my mother used to say soon as you born you start dying right and that's that's that's a legend That's a fact. She's a legend second you born you start dying So you telling me I'm gonna deprive myself of really what I want to eat so I can probably live like four more years?

I ain't doing that, son. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not doing that. A lot of people who I know who done heroin, they said the same thing. Get the fuck out of here. You can just say it. You can just say it. Why would I deprive myself of getting as high as I could get?

Nah, that's a whole different thing. Very true. Because that's going to kill you quick. But it ain't been proven. Nah. Nah, that's a whole different thing. Very true. Because that's going to kill you quick. Ahhh! Ahhh! But it ain't been proven. Nah. It ain't been proven. I can't go scientific with you.

I can't go scientific. I ain't never seen a nigga eat a burger and OD like this. And it's true right here. That's true. I ain't never seen a nigga eat a steak and be like, yo, I'm going to give you a gel story. Nah, but it has been proven that meat does attribute to colon cancer and shit like that. I'm going to give him a gel story. I'm going to give you a gel story.

We told you to do that while we sipping this. We ain't killing our lives. We definitely did. We definitely did. We definitely did. We definitely did. We definitely did. We definitely did. We definitely did. We definitely did. We definitely did. I'm going to give you a jail story. No, but it has been proven that meat does attribute to colon cancer and shit like that. I'm going to give him a jail story.

I'm going to give you a jail story. We'll be sipping this. We ain't killing our lives. We definitely— We in a fake balance. Let me finish that, too, by the way. Let me pick what's running the fuck up. Long, my liver, nigga.

Nigga, eat a veggie burger. You got to pick your vices. You got to pick your vices. Let me see you. I'm in the Bing, right? I'm in the Bing, and I keep seeing this Muslim cat who got—he got 24 months. He got straight two years in the bing, right? I'm in the bing, and I keep seeing this Muslim cat. He got 24 months. He got straight two years in the bing. And he keeps seeing me in there for two, three, four, six months.

Coming back. So a dude says to me one day, you're a savage. I hated that word, savage, because I was cool with the God bodies. I knew what he meant by it. And I said, what? I don't eat pork. He said, anything that makes you other than yourself is pork.

Cigarettes, all that. So he told me, try not to eat a burger. Got out the bank. I didn't eat a burger. I didn't have a fight. Two, three weeks later, I ate a burger right back in the motherfucking bank. Right across the street from Raheem.

You know why? And Raheem said, you ate a burger, didn't you? And now, you said it earlier, my mind, now this might only work for me. It's called Warwell.

But this might only work for me. Warwell. Animal instance, when I indulge those type of meats, I always fight. So, now it's true because it might just be for me this might not work for the sister there's some signs behind it but I can't you know when I stop eating beef I start being violent yeah I could they pumped oh they say pump shit yeah think about

this right a nigga order you go to the spot, you order wings. How many wings you get? I don't eat wings. Let's just say six. Six to eight? So that's the least. If you get eight wings.

Are you about to diss wings because I want to stop you if you're going to diss wings? No, no, no. You're just preaching this other shit. Hey, man. Hey, man.

Nah. I eat wings. I eat wings. I eat wings. I eat wings. But the whole thing is like, okay, eight wings is, a chicken got two wings,

so that's at least four chickens right there. Think about all the orders of wings going on all over the world. You telling me this shit is genetically modified shit? 100% genetically modified. You ain't them chickens that produce that goddamn thing. Why they only this big, the little wingings? You know one thing

about going to Europe? The first thing I went to go to Europe, they had the little chickens and the little cows. And I said, hey, your chickens and cows are sick.

And they said, no, motherfucker. Your chickens and cows are sick because our chickens and cows are like this. Looking like arm-wrenching and super regional out there. Our chickens are like this.

You know what free range chicken means? That means they're supposed to have the range to go wherever they, to roam. Yeah, to eat naturally. To be natural. But check it out. But technically,

they could give a nigga four feet and if he could walk in and out that four feet, they could label on a product. Oh yeah, they be lying. Organic too. All that shit is bullshit. can label on the product. Oh, yeah, they be lying. Organic, too, is a bunch of bullshit. All that shit is bullshit, my nigga. It's all marketing shit. They're tearing me up. Yeah, they fucking us up. It's all marketing. Niggas be out there thinking they eating good.

And you shopping in the store. You already fucking up. Yeah, you paying more for that shit, too. Like, nah, I got the free range shit. Even Whole Foods and Freshmark. Yeah, they kill it. All of it, man. They get you with that. They tricking us with body. Don't we pay extra? Yeah, we fucking up. We still getting fucked? Yeah, they fucking man. They get you with that. Trader Joe's, Trader Joe's embodying you. Don't we pay extra? Yeah, we fucking up. We fucking up, man.

They still getting fucked? Yeah, they fucking up. They got us. They got us. They got us. They got us. They got us. They got us.

They got us. They got us. You better grow your own garden and grow your own- Yeah, you got to grow your own shit to know what the fuck you put in your body, my nigga. Holy moly. Did you and True ever form a group? I was like a member. I know True since we was teenagers.

We always was close friends. And yeah, so when he got his deal and shit, so it was like, yo, nigga, we gonna, my first song I recorded that really made noise was a song called Bust Your Guns with me and True Life. And True made the beat. True never made me a beat. True was the fuck that nigga.

That's what I call him, fuck that nigga. Hey, yo, this nigga got some beat. Yo, fuck that nigga. We don't need that nigga beats. Hey, yo, this nigga deal. Fuck that nigga. Yo, that's my bro. Yeah, that nigga True.

And you know what? He's one of the kindest, nicest motherfucking guys in the world. But he got one little line. If you cross that shit. Right. This nigga got like a hair trigger. Right. Like he'll give you the

true will give you the fucking shirt off his back my nigga. Great guy. True's a great, great, great guy. His name stands for the righteous united

the righteous united those living in a fantasy environment. That's the acronym for his name. And how did y'all say y'all met? No, we met

I was in prison. Okay. I was a teenager. Somebody who knew he rapped put me on the phone with the nigga. Wow. So we, our friendship started over the jack. You know what I'm saying? So he like, when you get home

son, I'm fucking, I'm like 16, 17 years old. How weird was that? The first time you met him, you was in prison. I spoke to him, you was in prison. And then when they was on the run, they was at my crib. My nigga, they stepped. When they caught that body, I'm the nigga that was harboring. Nah, they went to jail for it.

All right. Clap it off. Clap it off. They went to jail. They got you big dick. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. They copped out.

They did their time. Okay. But when that whole shit happened, they came right to, damn, I did the clap, but I'm sorry, man, I can't be doing that right now. No, we can't do that for the... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. We understand that. We understand that. No, I mean, I took your clap.

Usually do that part. No, it's okay, bro. Anybody can do that. No, no, no, you can do that. You're part of the family. You're part of the family. But yeah, but when, and that's the funny, we was talking about that, because when them niggas, when that happened, him and his brother, they came to my crib and shit. Because them niggas, police was kicking down every door the way they thought these niggas would be.

And I had some shit up in the woods. So I'm like, yo, just come lay low here. And I'm seeing, I'm talking to the nigga. I'm like, damn, son, look at the difference. Like now, you probably going to go in and do some time. And I'm going to be out here and now I'm going to be holding you down. Because True used to hold me down when I was up there. You know what I'm saying?

So it was like, that was a sad time. That's why when them niggas came home and adapted, and he got back to where he wanted to be. And not just him, but his brother Mark. You know what I'm saying? Those are my family. I can't believe True didn't come home and just drop his Jay-Z and Nas records. Yeah, he got Jay-Z and Nas records.

He got Fat Joe. I'm like, what are you sitting on these records for? He got a record with Jay-Z and Nas. I was like, yeah, you're the best guy. Yeah, he sat on that shit. Because I would have bootlegged the shit out of myself. You know what he said when I asked him why? Fuck them niggas, man.

Nah, I would have dropped it. He's the fucker, nigga. I would have sold it to fucking Japan, Italy, Europe. I would have went it. He's the father nigga, man. I would've sold it to fucking Japan, Italy, Europe. I would've went crazy. You don't even gotta, like, and none of them would've sued him.

Nah, they wouldn't have. They wouldn't have. They love him. They love True. Everybody loves True, man. Everybody loves, one thing about True Life, True Life,

even when the whole Jim Jones shit was happening, I met Jim Jones through True Life before they even got in. We used to sit and have dinner with them two niggas. Them two niggas was close. They was friends.

That's why when shit went south, I used to try to be the voice of reason. Like, yo, this ain't nothing y'all can fix and shit. Like, fuck them niggas, man. Once he get on that fuck them niggas shit, it's fuck them niggas. And that's how he is.

But he got a heart of gold, my nigga. He got a heart of gold. He's the nicest fuck in the world. He's one of the nicest people I know. He's just not to be played with. And that's the reason why we like-minded in that way. I'm a nigga that- I used to hate bullies growing up, man.

I remember there was this kid in my school named Jamal. His nigga was dirty. He smelled like pee and shit. And niggas would tease. I got in more fights over this nigga than over my own self. Because he was your friend? Nah, I didn't even know. I didn't fuck with him.

When a nigga was teasing him, I'd be like, yo, leave him the fuck alone. You know what I'm saying? So Jamal wasn't the bully. He was being bullied. Jamal was being bullied, yeah. Oh, okay, okay. Because, you know, his family was mad poor. He ain't had no clothes.

You know what I mean? He used to come to school with hand-me-downs and shit. And niggas would... I got in like four or five fights over this kid. And me and this kid probably never said more than three words to each other. This feels like this is Brooklyn for sure. Nah, this was Newburgh. Newburgh.

Newburgh, that's... Newburgh is the worst place in New York State, bro. You don't want to go to Newburgh, my nigga. That's where the kid Party Fontaine is from. It's a little-ass city in Orange County. You know where Vin the Chin is from? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Them niggas is from...

Newburgh, that's above Yonkers? Yeah, yeah, that's way above Yonkers. That's like... Westchester. That's like... Nah, that's Orange County. Orange County. California?

Nah. You went too far. Nah, nah, nah. I'm thinking about Jack Black movie. It's like Bob Poughke's Orange County. Orange County. California? Nah. You went too far. Nah, no. It's like Bob Poughkeepsie and all that shit. Oh, Poughkeepsie, yeah, they give it up. Nah, but not like Newburgh. Newburgh. My nigga, I ain't got, I don't, that's the only place I got robbed, my nigga.

Brownsville, I lived in Brownsville. I lived all over Brooklyn, Bed-Stuy, Flatbush. I got robbed in Newburgh, my nigga. I'm talking about 12 noon. I'm like, what? First thing I'm thinking of. I feel like it's at a path. Nah, bro. I went to pick up my little Newburgh my nigga I'm talking about 12 noon I'm like what first thing I'm thinking I feel like it's at a path nah bro

I went to pick up my little sister my nigga and niggas had they got you get your little sister in front of her they didn't care

they didn't give a fuck they knew her and all that they didn't give a fuck this is a methamphetamine town yeah it's not a my little brother

my little brother god bless his soul my little brother god bless his soul overdose on dust brother, God bless his soul. Overdose on dust. I have never heard this in my life. 28 years old. God bless, bro.

28-year-old kid, my nigga. They found him in the alleyway in the church. God bless. Found him in the alleyway in the church in the rain. And it always made me wonder, like, was he going to that church

to, like, find God or some shit? Because they found him at a church. Wow. Like, yeah, they found the nigga dead at a church early in the morning. Somebody was walking by. It was raining and they seen him laid out. And the thing is, my mom had already passed away.

God bless her soul. So his whole funeral arrangement and all that shit. They used to call me and be like, yo, I mean, you talking about some motherfuckers with no heart because it's their business. Niggas would call me and be like yo I mean you talking about some motherfuckers with no heart cause it's they business but niggas would call me and be like yo

I never had to I never seen this nigga's birth certificate but here I am with his death certificate which is crazy they used to call me and be like yo

what you want us to do with the body man starting to stink in here like this nigga wasn't a human being and I used to be like what do y'all usually do I don't know nothing

about the process of burying somebody. Especially my own. After you come home. Yeah, this is while I'm in Saigon. Yeah, this is four years ago. This is recently. You know what I'm saying? So they leave it all up to me.

So I got to do the whole funeral memorial. So I'm trying to get family together. And I'm seeing this shit like, yo, man, this Newberg shit. And I used to tell my mother, like, ma, you got to get out of here. Like, I never made it to the point where I was able to move her out because I was fucking around. Like, I would get money, and then I'd blow it.

I'd put her in an apartment, can't finish paying for it. So she's like, I got to go somewhere where I could afford the rent, and that's the reason why it's so crazy. Anywhere you put, whether it's Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Brownsville, East New York, anywhere you put where it's fucked up shit at, it's the most poorest places.

That's the common denominator. And Newburgh, that's upstate New York? Yeah, that's upstate. Like where them Griselda niggas, Buffalo, you ever been to Buffalo, my nigga? Them niggas give it up, up, up. You go up there thinking, yeah, this is upstate. That's on the border, man. Rochester. Them niggas got so many unsolved, up. You go up there thinking, yeah, this is upstate. That's on the border, man. Rochester.

Them niggas got so many unsolved murders up there, and they right by Detroit. It's just like fucking Detroit, my nigga. They closer to Detroit than they are to us. Wow, yeah. So them niggas over there. It's right by the border. So them niggas over there live like that, my nigga. When they say them niggas give it up up there, they give it up, bro.

Me and this nigga went up there, did a show up there. Bitches had us climbing through the window, my nigga. We bagged some bitches in the club. These bitches is like, yo, come to our crib. We go with the bitches. They like, yo, we ain't got our key. So they like, yo, what we gonna do?

They like, yo, why don't y'all climb through the window? So I'm like, yo, this is not a good idea, son. We don't know these bitches. We dead snagging the hook. This nigga like, I want some pussy. But good idea, son. We don't know these bitches. We dead smacking the hood. It didn't even make it. This nigga like, I want some pussy. But y'all triple, y'all triple H. High and horny. Yeah, and guess what we did?

We climbed over to the Spider-Man. This nigga's climbing up the wall like this. I'm like, Brady, man, you gonna fall. He's like, I'm getting this pussy, man. Yo, I'm just dead ass. And we smacked, you know when you in the hood. When you a nigga from the hood, and I don't even fuck where smacked, you know when you in the hood. When you a nigga from the hood, and I don't even fuck where you at,

you know when you in the hood. It's pretty much the same. Yeah, it's pretty much the same everywhere. The potholes, the junkies, everything. The vibe, everything. The vibe, yeah. The shit stinks. You like, oh, we dead smacking the ghetto.

And these bitches wasn't even bad, my nigga. These was some good, like you said, we was Triple H. Yeah, Triple H the fuck out. Yeah, and so when you said, we was Triple H. Triple H's the fuck out. Yeah, and so when you go through these changes in life, man, that's the reason why I always felt a sense of responsibility in music. Because I'm like, damn,

I'm going to have the opportunity to talk to, and they always say hip-hop is for the kids. Yo, that's the kid shit. So if we're going, if this shit is for the kids, for real, like we say it is, what are we telling the future? We're going to tell these niggas go shoot, go gangbang, nigga.

Go gangbang, go fuck as many bitches as you can and catch some shit you can't get rid of. You know what I mean? Go fuck up the minds of these young women

and act like you really care about them when you just try and get some pussy and fuck up their mind. Once that happens to a woman three, four times,

they stop trusting men and they get fucked up in the mind. You ever meet a bitch that been hurt like four times, and you do one thing, you're like, nigga, you, like, hold on. Because they done been through that shit so much, and one little sign of you being like Tyrell or Naquan or a nigga that did some fucked up shit,

and she got you pegged. And then they grow up, they become scorned. They scorn women. And we're responsible for a lot of that shit. We are, my nigga. Because you know what we feel? And then we meet a bitch,

oh, she a thot, she this, she that. We responsible for that. When are we going to fucking step up as black men and say, all right, man, we got to do better?

Let's make some noise for Saigon, god damn it. You know what I'm saying? When we're going to step up and say, we got to do better. It's easy to point fingers andigon, goddammit. Real right. When we go on set, we got to do better. It's easy to point fingers and be like, oh, that bitch is a hoe. That bitch is this. That bitch is that. First of all, you don't even know how this girl grew up, man.

She might not have a father in her life. You know what I'm saying? She might have been Brenda Had a Baby. You're right. You're absolutely correct. Brenda Had a Baby, that's a great example of why I like Tupac as an artist. Because if he made that record, if he made Dear Mama today, of why I like Tupac as an artist because if he made that record

if he made Dear Mama today they'd be like we ain't fucking with that if he made motherfucking they wouldn't fuck with that today if he made

Keep Your Head Up today they'd be like nah that ain't it all them records in the last 10 years wouldn't work I'm gonna let you finish

before I stop you because them records were not they wouldn't even fuck with them records but here's the crazy shit about you right I'm gonna change the subject finish before I stop you. Them records were not, they wouldn't even fuck with them, I guess. But here's the crazy shit about you, right? I'm going to change the subject a little bit, because that's what we do. We at Drink Chips. You might have been on the best television show ever. Yeah.

Then, also on the worst television show ever. Yeah. Would you like to start from the best or the worst, sir? The best. Being the best came first, we'll start with the best.

Okay, let's start with the best. Entourage. Legendary. Entourage is probably... Let me just tell you something, bro. That's a good time. When I see you pull up, I say,

my dear, hey! We did it! We did it! Yeah! Yeah, for real. And you won Cygone! And I fought for that. I fought for that. Okay, you're going too fast. Okay did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For real. And you won Cygone. And I fought for that. I fought for that.

Okay. You're going too fast. Okay. You're going too fast. You're going too fast. This is one of my best television shows ever. Okay. You niggas pulled Turtle over to the shit.

Yeah. It was all type of crazy shit. All right. Stole a nigga car from the beginning. Johnny Drama. Johnny Drama. All right. How does this happen?

Did you go to... What the fuck? Entourage is already lit. Is Entourage already lit when you go for the role or it's not lit? It's not lit. Nobody even knows what it is.

What, season one? I came season two. Season two. So they were shooting. Season one. It did not jump off. It did not jump off. It didn't jump off yet.

So I'm not even excited about this shit. Oh. Yeah, I'm just thinking, whatever. The only excitement I had was, oh, this is my own music shit. This is my Warburg shit. So this is, even though he's not really in it, it's his shit. And it's about his life. It's about his life.

It's loosely based on his life. So yeah, it's loosely based on his life. So there's a chance this shit might pop. Right. So G Robeson is the one who got me the, uh, see, the best. Them niggas, G and Hip-Hop,

I ain't gonna lie, them niggas, they silent assassins, bro. They ain't give me no money. I like, I like, I love y'all anyway, though. Oh, they do? They my people.

They my people. They just ain't give me no money. They was managing you? No, no, no, never. No, I'm just saying. They managing you, you got the baggage. No, no, no, I don't want,

sometimes you just gotta be in direct baggage. You can't baggage. Baggage, baggage. Sometimes it happens like that. You're right, no, never. Never. I just said you got the baggage. No, no, no. I don't know why. Sometimes you just got to be in direct baggage. You can't baggage. Baggage, baggage. Sometimes it happens like that. You're right. We'll continue. Okay, so G got me to audition and shit.

It was between me and Young Jeezy. Me and Young Jeezy. Me and Young Jeezy. Yeah. Can you imagine that? They're going to be like, hey, yo, turtle. Wow. All right.

Can you imagine that shit? No. So it was between me and Young Jeezy for the part. You know what I'm saying? For real. And so when I go out there and audition, I'm thinking, shit, I'm not really an actor. If they fuck with me, they fuck with me. That's Young Jeezy in the room?

Nah, nah. There's no pressure there. I'm not even a million percent sure. He didn't show up. This is one of the other exes. Because he was brand new at the time. I'm saying, he didn't show up. He probably didn't show up, but one of the execs told me,

she was like, yeah, they were looking for a new artist that's up and coming, so it's between you and this guy named Young Jeezy. So they didn't even know who, he wasn't a star yet. This was before Soul Survivor really, all that shit really cracked off. You don't know who Young Jeezy is? I know him from street shit. You know what I'm saying? Because K-Slave used to fuck with Pearl. Yeah, I know him from street shit. You know what I'm saying? Because K-Slave.

Yeah, I know him before when he just had Trap or Die and all that. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't the star yet, though. They wanted somebody who was on the brink. You know what I'm saying?

Mm-hmm. So I get the part and shit, but nobody really knows the show's going to be a hit. I knew it. Nah, nobody knew. Four dudes from Queens and Hollywood, it's going to work a hit. I knew it. Nah, nobody knew. Four dudes from Queens and Hollywood,

it's going to work. See? Continue. Sorry. That's your bias. Yes, yeah. I get the part and I just told the writer,

I said, yo, can you write, they had some funny name, I forgot the name, but I was like, yo, can you write me in the Saigon? Keep my real rap name.

So, which was a gift and a curse as much as it worked the shit backfired I kinda wish I would've kept MCG whatever the fuck

they had MC Gigolo yeah I wish I would've kept that shit cause so the show comes out

and right off the gate first season shit's poppin so now I know this shit is in the bag I already filmed it I'm like oh shit I'm on season 2

cause they had shot season 2 while they was shooting season 1 so as season 1 starts to pump up you already you already had

season 2 that's how the that's how the that's how the that's how the white people do it look they was already filming season 2

before season 1 came out they knew they had a hit they knew they had a hit they knew they had a hit I knew it too though they were right they were right they definitely were right. I knew it too, though. They were right. Yeah, they were right. They definitely were right.

So now I'm starting to get excited. Like, oh, shit. Everybody's talking about this show. Right. So now, this is when I'm still have a bit of a, I'm still on Atlantic. This is after the Ebro shit and all that. But I'm still on Atlantic. So I go to Atlantic and I go, look, this time the music with this fucking show.

Can't go wrong. It's free promo. It's the best promo in the fucking world. So they was like, you might be right, Saigon. We're going to give you some more budget. You know how they play with the budget. We're going to put you back in the studio, even though you fucked up and fucked up with that last Ebro shit. We're going to put you back in the studio.

I go back in the studio and my hard-headed ass is still on some, we got to save the children, Josh. What you going to make? What kind of records you going to make? I make a record called Believe It. Gotta believe it. Shit is about saving the children again. I'm like, bro, I'm

sticking to the script. You know what I'm saying? I'm too in too deep to this shit. I put out Pain in My Life already. I had put out Color Purple about the gang violence and shit. Gotta believe it. Yeah, gotta believe it. Come On Baby already came out. Come On Baby's already out.

Stocking Cap with DJ Drama already came out. That's already out. Rap vs. Real already came out. Nah, that wasn't out. Oh, I gotta relax. Continue. Nah, but Believe It was,

I thought it was, that song ended up being, it ended up being Live Your Life, because Just Blaze wrote all three of them songs, and it ended up being fucking All The Above. Okay, when you say broke with Just Blaze wrote all three of them songs, you got to be very careful. Okay.

Because everybody's going to think that Just Blaze sat here. He didn't write their, the only thing he really didn't write was their verses. But he made the beat, and he came up with the melodies and the hook, which sells the song. That's what sells the song. Just add verse. It's like a nigga give you a hit and just say, just add verse.

I know T.I. had the idea for Live Your Life, I mean with Rihanna's song. Live your life. Hey. Yeah, that's the one, right? The T.I. one? Yeah, that's the one. Now listen to my song, it go,

you gotta believe, whoa, whoa. Now listen to Maneo's song, and it go, you gotta believe, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now listen to Maino's song, and it go, only above, whoa, whoa. And just play something back, and it's like, Saigon, watch, I'm gonna do it again.

I'm gonna remake Believe It Again, it's gonna be a hit. And I go, no, you bullshit. He does it again, it's a hit again. And I'm like, look at these motherfuckers.

Because we did it first. Our shit was first, and they was like, nah. Then T-Pain tried to charge us 80K. Nigga, T-Pain charged me 80,000 to do the fucking. We already had the shit wrote. Just wrote it already.

But after you do a song with Jay-Z, everybody think you got it. But nigga, I'm a brand new artist. I'm like, that's my whole fucking budget. I've been charging 100K for 20 years. So if you got a Jay-Z verse, I ain't going to lie. Do you know how I got the Jay-Z verse? No one knows this. Let's get there.

Are we going there now or are we going to wait? Some people know because it ain't just like he was... But this story we was into right now. Okay. Let's finish that story first. Okay, so they give me another shot

and I'm like, let's time it with this TV show. Like this is going now. Entourage. Entourage. Let's time it with Entourage. So I'm hype. I'm hype.

I'm like, my music about to come out My TV show I'm on the biggest show in the world And I'm talking about In the world my nigga Like that to this day To this day

I introduce myself To people at Saigon And you know what they say Entourage Oh like the No Oh like the nigga from Entourage Like him

Like him Like him Yeah Like you have yourself After him Yeah like Exactly That's what I said

You wanna play him That's what I said. You want to blame him. That's why I said that shit was so big, it fucked me up. Because they don't put the face. They can't, no, it ain't like that. A lot of people's records are bigger than them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. You don't know how many people ice grilled me to Oye Mi Condo.

Pauly, Pauly. I'm like, nigga, you got to relax. That's me, asshole. Yeah, that's me, asshole. So, yeah, so we put out Believe It. The label was like, well, we played it for them. They was like, we ain't fucking with it. But not because it's positive.

Yeah. You think that the label was... Well, I mean, not to say the T.I. record wasn't positive or the other one was positive, but he had Rihanna on it. Right. And the other record had T-Pain, who at the time was hot as fish grease. It was just me on my shit. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, I ain't had that superstar feature. Like, we tried to get T-Pain, but he wanted $80,000. And the hook was already wrote. So if you hear the record right now, that's a reference for T-Pain. Just referenced it. Which hook are we talking about again? Gotta Believe It. Get that shit. Put it up. Just referenced it. Which hook are we talking about again? Gotta Believe It. Get that shit.

Put it up. Put it up. Put it up, ass. Pull up Believe It real quick. And then listen to the similarities between this, Rihanna, Rihanna T.I. record, and the Domino, and all of the above. All of the above. Come on.

Are we ready? Because Just Blaze produced a... Huh? Huh? Yeah, it's very similar. Wow. Because Just Blaze is sitting. Watch this. We thought we was outta here.

We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here.

We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. We thought we was outta here. And this is you?

Yeah. That's not T-Pain. No, that's just Blaze. So we sent T-Pain that already wrote, already written. He's like, yeah, I like it. I'll do it for 80,000. Like, nigga, this shit's rough. All we need is your voice and them ugly dreads in the video, nigga.

Like, that's all. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do like, yeah, I like it. I'll do it for $80,000. Like, nigga, the shit's already in your voice. And them ugly dreads in the video, nigga. Like, that's all.

Nigga said $80,000. That's how I was like, what the fuck? I can't be mad for him asking, though. I can't either. To me, my hard-headed ass, instead of saying, we'll give you $40,000, I go to Just like, nigga, you sound good on that shit. Fuck that nigga.

Leave it. We don't need him, leave it like that. And we shot the video and all that with Just. And then what's the next record that come out after that you said? After that, they wasn't fucking with that. That's what I know. What about the next record that copied that you said?

Oh, oh, oh. Just live your life, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you never gonna take it, just live your life. Yeah, right? Rihanna. With Rihanna and T.I. Oh, and the main one too, with T-Pain. Yeah, yeah. The Oli above.

Get the name, the Oli above. Oli above, the main one joint. Platinum, that shit went platinum. I didn't hear Oli above that much. I heard the Rihanna. Yeah, Oli above was huge, bro. No, I mean, I didn't hear it. Oh, yeah, you're right.

These are all Atlantic. All right. That's true. All Atlantic artists, too. All Atlantic. All Atlantic. Yeah, some do. They kept you in Atlanta. They kept you in Atlanta.

They kept you in Atlanta. They like, fuck this nigga. Oh, holy shit. That's why I did it with niggas. I was making them records saying, fuck Atlanta. Everybody was like, you better, man. Get over it. I'm like, y'all niggas don't understand how bad it is.

But you're still on Entourage. Let's get back to Entourage. Okay, I'm still on Entourage. So I'm crazy. This record. I'm like, y'all niggas don't understand how bad it is. No, but you're still on Entourage. Let's get back to Entourage. Okay, I'm still on Entourage. So I'm crazy. This record. I'm crazy with the white women at this time. I mean, oh my God. You must be knocking them down.

You must be knocking them down. Everybody named Britney, Karen, and Ashley, they had a piece of Saigon. Let's make the noise for that. Let's make the noise for that. Let's make the noise for that right there. They had a piece of Saigon. Come on, baby. Come on, man.

And I used to have a fetish for white girls. Because I used to watch of slack on. Come on, baby. Come on, man. And I used to have a fetish for white girls, you know, because I used to watch like the TV show. And you was Afrocentric, which makes it better. Go ahead, Red. Go ahead, Red. Let's make some noise for Red, god damn it. I used to watch the TV shows, like, who's the boss and all that.

Anybody loves Raymond? Everybody loves the Moana. This is tough. King and queen. Yeah, this is beautiful. I'm like, I need one of those. And when I got on Entourage, my nigga, this is beautiful. I'm like, I need one of those. And when I got on Entourage, my nigga,

they'll just sit there and wait, my nigga. They'll be right outside your trailer. I mean, actually, did you go to Standard Hotel after that? Because that's where you filmed it at. It was the Standard Hotel. Yeah, nah, this could be filmed all over. When the standard was upside down. Did you ever go back?

Because you were a legend at the Standard Hotel. But they was looking for you. I'm a legend to this fucking area. Remember when they was looking for you at the Standard Hotel? You know I watch Entourage. Bro, very, very familiar. Facts, facts, very familiar so remember you you had got the deal

and then you bounced on Turtle yeah I bounced on Turtle cause uh Wee Bay and them niggas came oh shit

Wee Bay that was the act the same night yeah Wee Bay Wee Bay was like shook night yeah Wee Bay

shook night so let's explain this let's explain this as as as um it was Wee Bay no no was so nice. So let's explain this. Let's explain this. As, as, as... It was Wee-Bae, sir. No, no, no.

This is real shit. I really... By the way, to me, this is real life. Just act like it's real life. This is real life. Yeah, yeah, good. So when Wee-Bae and Rice... What happened, Rice?

Turtle and them got you a deal. The Wiremash show. With Interscope. HBO Connect. Yeah. Did they get you a deal with Interscope, Turtle and them? Yeah, he got me a big deal. And then, but Wee-Bae had you a deal with Interscope, turning on them? Yeah, he got me a big deal. And then, but we already had you a deal with.

He had me on some hood, some hood. Some hood, he hit the hood contact. The city wrote down on the napkin, yeah, what it was. But you wrote with them, and then you still gave Turtle the $70,000. I gave him the bank, because you know what? Right.

If you notice, even in that show, when they find my, because they smart. Like, Doug Allen and them guys are geniuses. I love how you put the white guy named Doug Allen. Yeah, Doug Allen, he's the creator of the show. So even if you look at the part where they find my CD and the homies Maserati... And the Maserati, I was going to say...

And they come and they was like, yo, we want to use your song for the movie. That's how they want to fuck me. They want to put my song in Queens Boulevard. Remember they wanted to put my... Yes, I remember. I remember the scene. The first thing I asked them niggas was, yo, is there any brothers in the movie?

Is there any black niggas? Because if not... They said, we got 10 grand for you. Yeah, they said, yo, now that my man said, yo, I think I've seen one in that bar scene. Right, right, right. He's like, yo, I'm like, any brothers? They said, yeah, I think I've seen one in that bar scene.

Like, some funny shit. Right. But at the same time, it's like, they He's like, I'm like, any brothers in this shit? Yeah, I think I've seen one in that bar scene. Some funny shit. But at the same time, they understood like, oh, this guy's a guy who cares about consciousness. So let's write it in his story.

Oh, so wait a minute, time out. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? They was playing. That wasn't your idea. Nah,

that wasn't my idea. They did that. They did that. What's his name again? Doug who? Doug Allen. Doug Allen. I respect you,

but I'm going to spray something on your microphone. Oh shit. That's his name. In my mind it works. Come on, give me a spray. It works. It all works, man. It's got twisted.

Jesus, Doug Allen, give me another shot. Don't spray the mic though. Hey, where the fuck is that? None of these is working. These are brand new. They work. These are 50 cents. You got to twist them.

These are 50 cent hand sanitizer. Don't spray the mic though. Don't spray the mic though. Don't spray the mic? Nah, it don working. These are brand new. They work. These are 50 cents. You got to twist them. These are 50 cents hand sanitizer. Don't spray the mic, though. Don't spray the mic, though. Don't spray the mic? Nah, it don't work. And don't spray your cup either, man.

Yeah, all right. Just Doug Allen was his name? Doug Allen. Doug Allen. This is 50 cents. You had it? This is power spray. 50 cents?

This shit is power spray. Power hand sanitizer. Yes, this is 50. Power hand sanitizer. And you've noticed we're also sponsored by the champagne. Oh, I see the logo now. Yes, you see the power. 50 is the show. Powerhead, San Jose. And you've noticed we're also sponsored by the champagne. Oh, I see the logo now. Yes, you see the power. 50's a bad motherfucker.

Sonny came to my house and told me there's no logo on here. And this is the reason why I got to watch him because of my house and get drunk. 50's a bad motherfucker, man. Like, this nigga 50 Cent is different, my nigga. That's right. Yeah, he is. 50's different, my nigga. This, damn.

And we support them over here. We support rap products. You got to, you got to fuck, you got to support 50 Cent. We support rap. And that shit smell good as shit. That nigga, he's, he easy. Yeah, this smell good. Look at the one girl in the whole building saying, uh-huh. That's all we need, bro.

That's all we need. We got one girl and this whole pool sticks some pocket sticks. And we are looking crazy out here. All right, cool. Let's go back to what we was talking about because this is so interesting. Yeah. What was we talking about? I forgot.

Entourage. Entourage. This nigga's crazy. Let's go back to what we were talking about, because this is so interesting. Yeah. What was we talking about? I forgot. Entourage. Entourage. This nigga's crazy. Now, now, hold on. You did, you did the season. I did two seasons.

No, and then they call you back for the movie, Yande. Yeah, and then they cut my part out. Oh, shit. No, you was in it. You gave a part. No, I had lines. Oh, you had lines. Yeah, you had lines. I had lines. I thought the fire was iller.

Yeah, it just showed me on the scene, right? You was never ill. You knew him so well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember. I'm talking about a fan of the show. As a fan of the show, I was like, damn. Yeah, that was gangsta.

Like, go in one moment and they bring out Pharrell. I was like damn, bro. But you know what? I'm going to keep it a bean. That was me on Doug like, yo, you can't do this movie without me, nigga. Oh, you did that? Yeah, nigga, I was harassing this nigga.

I was on this nigga's hard body like, come on, fam. Because the movie came out kind of late. But I'm still like, you know, they did a lot of seasons after my season. Because like,

Sex and the City had a movie too. Yeah, this shit was... I'm sorry, I'm acting like I'm too involved with television because Sex and the City... I'm not supposed to know about Sex and the City? You watch that too?

But I think I watch it. I think you watch that. No, no, no. I watch it. Honestly, I watch it. Honestly? Sex and the City, they got two movies. Yeah, they got two movies.

Two movies. Sopranos ain't got one. Nope. It's about to come out, though. They're about to have a movie. It's too late. It's a prequel. Yeah, without Tony.

Without Tony, I'm not sure. No, it's a prequel. Oh, we got him young? Yeah, yeah. It's all before the whole story. They're about to have a movie. It's too late. It's a prequel. Yeah, without Tony. Without Tony, I'm not. Nah, it's a prequel, so. Oh, we got him young? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all before the whole story. They better get it right. Right, yeah. They better get it right.

So let me ask y'all a question. I'm in. The Wire, right? Sopranos. Be careful where you're going with this. Sex and the City, Entourage. The Wire. Take Sex and the City out of here.

Please, please. Nah, it's one of your favorites. Come on. Relax. Let's just keep this. This, nah. It's one of your favorites. Come on, relax. Relax. Let's just keep this. This is this. All right, take it out. Take it out.

All right, The Wire. Uh-huh. The Wire, Sopranos, Entourage. Where you going? He hasn't seen either. I've seen all of them. What are you talking about? Where you going?

The Wire. The Wire? Yeah. Where you going, Wire? Fuck, I got to go next? Yeah, you next. Wire what? Wire, S got to go next? Yeah, you next. WIRE what? WIRE Sopranos Entourage.

Which one you fucking with? I can't say WIRE Entourage. You can't? I'm asking. You can say whatever the fuck you want. At this point, it's your game. No, what do you like? I just said I can't say why entourage?

You want to make it one word? Why entourage? Yeah. Why entourage? Why entourage? Why entourage? I go for that. Listen, and I love Sopranos too. All of them are dope.

No, I love Sopranos, but when I realize... They're all totally different. When I realize, when I go back and watch Sopranos, I get hungry, and they're racist, and that fucked me up. Like, Sopranos? They're fucking me using niggas more than me. Sometimes I'll be looking like, holy shit.

But I didn't know that when it was out there. Like, I actually really didn't peep that. Like, I was like, oh, shit. And it was in the context of how they was using it. Now, in today's climate, it doesn't feel good.

Yeah. It doesn't feel good. Like, going back and watching it, in today's climate. A lot of things ain't age well. Let's just put it that way. A lot of things ain't age well.

But, these were white guys from Queens. Yeah. Queens Boulevard. Queens Boulevard. Queens is the biggest borough. You know what I like about Antares? Let me finish. I ain't cut you off. I got Queens. Yeah. Queens Boulevard. Queens Boulevard. Queens is the biggest borough. You know what I like

about Antares? Let me finish. I ain't cut you off. I got you. Listen. Queens is the biggest borough there is. So if there's anybody

who's supposed to be racist, it's supposed to be some white guys from Queens. Oh my God. What the fuck, honey? Like your man in the Wells? You're not letting me finish. You're not letting me finish.

So the fact is, anybody who's not supposed to be racist is supposed to be some white guys from Queens. I say anybody who's supposed to be racist. I apologize. Anybody who's not supposed to be racist. Because you know why? You grew up with every fucking nationality. You grew up with Jean-Paul Gaultier.

You didn't even know that Jean-Paul Gaultier is from Haiti. You're like, Jean-Paul? That's Sonny's grandfather. Yes, he's from Haiti. Then you go out with a guy named Leonardo. He's from the Dominican Republic. By the way, you're Haitian, half Haitian, right? Yes, his pop is Haitian.

Sonny, that's not any Haitian that comes around. So when you get to see the camaraderie. Stop by saying, stop by saying. So you get to see the camaraderie of these three, you know, you know. You remember we used to get teased and shit? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we up now, man. They just not.

They just had it rough, man. We passed Jamaicans. We passed Jamaicans. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You see what I'm saying? Hold on, hold on. Wait, hold on. Let me finish with Arjuwax.

What? Let me finish with Arjuwax. Hold on, so. Everybody want to be Zo now. Everybody Zo. That's right. Wait, wait, wait. We coming back to that. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, so everybody want to be so now. Everybody's so. Wait, wait, wait. We coming back to that.

Hold on, hold on. So when you see these guys from Queens and they make it in Hollywood, it's an inspiration because although they were white, they took the Queens mentality. Well, they were supposed to be Italian, right? Absolutely. Didn't matter. Hold on, just let me, just let me. I mean, Italians will tell you they're not white. They won't say they were not white. It was a generic. It was generic me tell you know they were not what

it was a generic it was there it was because no they were Irish two of them were Irish and two of them were Italian okay so they were white but the Queen's thing is you make it you bring your boy with you and the fact is it didn't matter they were white they could have been purple they could have been everything that was a queen's mentality. So that show meant so much. So this is your long explanation that that's the one you're picking? No, I can't dis—

Because you just gave a fucking speech. Because you know why? This was not a one-word answer. This was a longevity answer. So for you being on the show, is that your pick? Of course it is his pick. It better be. Dang, come on.

What kind of answer is that? That question, just because I was on it, is because it was hard because you got to see how the industry work a little bit. What about what The Wire did to show you the politics, the police in the streets? We lived that shit for real. I'm saying, but a lot of people didn't live it

and they got to see it. I know about that shit. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, I understood what was going on. A fact. Okay what I'm saying? So it was like, this, I understood what was going on. A fact. Okay. But with that shit, it was like,

you get to see how the agents, how agents work, how when you important, everybody love you. Because I got, when I was on the show. And that was through an agent? What was that?

You built the show? I'm talking about how like, Ari and shit was. Yeah, that was Chris Lighty and. No, no, he was really based off a homie.

Yeah, yes, yes. Scumbag. He said that was Chris Lighty and no no he was really based off a homie and yeah yes yes scumbag he said that was Chris Lighty yeah it was it wasn't no no it wasn't based off

you know what you false no no oh no it's based off a homie's brother the Chicago it's actually Ari it talks to a guy

named Ari there's a real Ari there's a real Ari Harvey Weinstein is on Entourage as Harvey Weinstein not no, but Emmanuel... Harvey Weinstein is on Entourage. Who's that? That's Harvey Weinstein. No, not him.

He didn't play Harvey Weinstein, but in the Poconos. I'm not the Poconos. When they went to the Slades. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit, I just realized that's the same motherfucker. That's the same motherfucker, bro.

Come on, bro. I told you, I know your show better than you, bro. I'm telling you. I watched that shit for real. I read Emmanuel, yeah. Which is Emmanuel, the guy from Chicago

that was in Obama's administration. That's his brother. That's his brother, yeah. I'm not arguing that. I was arguing session for real. I read Emmanuel, yeah. Which is, Emmanuel, the guy from Chicago that was in Obama's administration, that's his brother. That's his brother, yeah. I'm not arguing that. I was arguing that Harvey was. No, no. Good argument.

That guy's going to be like, fuck you, man. I was saying, Harvey was actually, they actually, and when they went to, not Kansas, excuse me,

when they went to the slopes, I think this is when he got, when he got, when he got Aquaman. Sundance. That I think this is when he got Aquaman. Sundance. That's the thing. When he got Aquaman, they had to do it for Harvey and James Cameron. Yeah.

And Harvey offered him some crazy, like, I'll give you 90 million right now. I met James Cameron, too. I met Paul Haggett. Paul Haggett? Like the dude who made fucking huge movies. Paul Haggett made Hancock. I'm going to tell you some funny shit I did one time. Make sure I'm right.

Paul Haggett made Hancock. Yeah, that's his name. Make sure, make sure, because I feel like he flaws something else. One time I got drunk with Mark Wahlberg, my nigga. That nigga, and you talking about a chick magnet, my nigga. Bitches just standing around staring at this nigga. I'm like, this got to be uncomfortable. That's Marky Mark. You're in a club and there's like 30

women just looking at you like this nigga. Like not talking to each other and shit. Not turning their head. And he's I guess he's so used to it cause he's from the you know Calvin Klein model. He been that nigga for a while. So to him it's they're like oblivious to him.

He don't see him. But I'm looking like, damn, my nigga, you got a nice pick of the litter right here. You could take any one of these bitches. Looking like, this is crazy, right?

And you love the white bitches at the time. Yeah, my nigga, I was living vicariously through this nigga for the moment. So how many cameras you thought you fucked?

Say what? How many cameras you think you took down? I ain't saying that shit. I ain't saying that shit. He tried to fuck up my pussy count for the rest of my life. And he got a bunch of Karen's on top of that. I ain't touching you.

You fucked a Karen or two. Put it like this. It was more than a handful. You fucked Karen. It was more than a handful. You know, because you got to live in the moment, man. It was more than a handful. You're talking about G-Buck Kevin. It was more than a handful. My bad. You know, because you got to live in the moment, man. And I said, these bitches wouldn't be fucking with me if I was on this show.

And the boom was Entourage. Yeah, oh my God. I mean, Jay-Z's song was cool. The Just Blaze deal was cool. You know, the record deal, being in the sauce and all that. Being on the show with Mark Wahlberg. The double XL cover. All that was cool, but that Entourage shit was different. That Entourage pussy is different. Let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. Double XL cover. All that was cool, but that Antoine shit

was different. That Antoine's pussy is different. Let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. Just say it. Let's just say it like this. This Antoine's pussy

different. Goddamn. Yeah. Nigga, the high five. You was eating veggie burgers after that. Now I'm talking about murders. He's stupid.

Yo. But yeah, that was, like, I was fucking actresses, like bitches I knew was out of my league. Was way out of my league. I love that, out of your league pussy. Yeah, it was out of my league. You had a mental streak? Nah, I wish. I met her though.

She's alcoholic. Damn, Saugon, you going there. She's alcoholic? She's a drink shamp. Them bitches used to get drunk. Yo, I'm talking about them industry parties where niggas can't get in. Nah, they get totally drunk. I remember one time,

when you hang out with these niggas, you get in them L.A. parties that NBA niggas can't get in. Rappers is like, oh, you fucking kidding me? You be like, yo, you know who I am? I'm staying.

Like, nigga, get beat your feet, nigga. I was in the L.A. party. A dude came up to me, said, can I get a cigarette? I'll give you an A for it. I said, wait a minute. He offered me cocaine. Yeah, that's when niggas asked me about party.

I didn't know what the shit meant. Nigga said, yo, you party? I said, I love to party. Nigga pulled out some coke. I'm like, yo, nah. I thought she was like dancing party, bro. Nigga said, yo, you party? I said, I'm in the party.

Nigga pulled out some coke. Like, let's get it. I'm like, oh, shit, nah, I don't fuck with that. You got to relax in LA. It's careful. But that year, Entourage, that shit was like three years of my life. And I would say more than three because it lingered. And then they started showing reruns, so I redid it again. I'm still watching reruns of you right now.

Yeah, my nigga, that shit. You did a great job. I had some, thank you, man. Thank you. Great job. I had some great times in my life. But when I say it was a gift and a curse, it's because. Yeah, what's the curse?

The curse was... We heard the gift. You fucked everything. White out there. Let's do it. Damn, man. I'm sorry. I feel like a male smut.

Listen, we've all had male smut moments. Yeah, you've been famous for a long time. Yeah, I've been famous for a moment. Listen. That's why you were good. I love you. I love you. Everything I can say. I don't have no platinum soul. I can you a lot. I love you a lot.

I can show this to my wife and say, baby, that's 15 years ago. She had no idea. I say 20 years because I got that much time. Yeah, you got time, man. You know what? That's why I love seeing you. It was a curse because

I need to hit a curse part. When it was over curse because I need to hear the curse part when I when it was over or when it started to die down for me for my character and shit like that from the show

and I started putting out the music I started trying to do the music the show was so big start looking at you like the show artist nigga

yeah oh this nigga really trying to be a rapper and it was fucked up with you you are lyric a lyricist. Lyricist. I'm like, yo, I'm nice.

Have you never heard the songs I played on the show? Imagine trying to play that shit for a nigga. Your music wasn't dumbed down on the show. I'm trying to play my shit for a nigga on the street. You never heard? Like, I ain't got time. No, nigga, listen. You know it was fucked up for you because your music wasn't dumbed down on the show.

They kept it real. They kept everything. So, like, if a person actually watched the show and listened to the music. Son, come agains on that show. Come again. Yeah, fucking letter Ps on that show. They kept it real. They kept everything. So, like, if a person actually watched the show and listened to the music... Son, come agains on that show. Come agains. Yeah, fucking letter P's on that show.

Coogee Rap. Come on. You know what I mean? Coogee Rap did a shit on there. Let a nigga know it's Graham Jones. Like, I was... They was giving them

these hits on it. Shout out to Graham Jones. Yeah, we was giving these niggas... But the show was so big. Yeah. You actually... And it's an era.

It's an era, too. You know, this nigga fell off the show. Now he really you actually looked like a sucker. And it's an era. It's an era too. I got to go try and rap. This nigga fell off the show, now he really trying to pursue a rap career. You got niggas to this day, see me rapping, they be like, nigga, you'll never make it without Turtle. Oh, damn. And they really, really, my nigga, really believe in the show.

And Turtle on power and everything right now. Yeah, he gonna die in Paranoid. You seen what he posted on my new album. He was like, look, Saigon went and ran off with Tech N9ne, son. Oh! I love when he gets to Tech N9ne. Yeah, he like, yeah, I love that nigga, Jerry. Like, me and Jerry became close friends.

Well, his name was Jerry. I'm sorry, man. We don't know that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we became like, we little people out here in Saigon. I talked to his mom. Like, his mom, I kick it with his moms and all. Like, that's how close we got from doing Entourage.

Because he used to always make it so comfortable for me. Because I used to be like, yo, man, am I fucking up? My nigga like, I'm not. Y'all niggas professionals. This is what y'all do. And he from Brooklyn. You from Brooklyn. Yeah, in fact.

So we had a connection. And he like, yo, this is what it is, my nigga. You doing good or not? Yo, relax, relax. Like, you overdoing it. You over trying to overact the situation. So he was coaching me without the directors and shit

on the side and that's how we developed our little rapport. So then whenever he would come back to the East Coast, we'd link up and shit. And my daughter, I got pictures of him

holding my daughter when she was eight months old. Nine months old, a baby. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's why he just had a baby. He got a son named Jacob. Shout out to Jerry Faraba. Can we make some noise for Jacob? Yeah. That's right, that's right. just had a baby. He got a son named Jacob. Shout out to Jerry Faraba. Can we make some noise for Jacob?

Yeah, that's right. Little Jake. Little Turtle and shit. That's all. And we made a friendship. Even with Doug Allen. Like, Doug Allen, I'm like, yo, man. Because them guys gave me an opportunity

that people don't come by in life. Like, I could show my grandkids that shit. That's like being on a honeymoon back in the day. I was on a honeymoon as a shit. No, that's legacy shit. I might That's like being on a honeymoon back in the day. I was on a honeymoon as a shit. That might be better than being on a honeymoon because, I'm going to be honest, anybody who ever talks to me and say I want to enter the

music business, I say watch Entourage. That's one of my first things I say. I say watch Entourage and master Entourage like it's lessons to the five and six nation. You watch Entourage, you hit me lessons to the five and six nation. Yeah, that's deep. You watch Entourage, you hit me with these episodes. You tell me when Larry David

walked through the office when Ari Gold met, because that's HBO putting two shows together that was super successful. That was $300 to $600 million that was making right then and there.

You tell me when Larry David pulled up in there and I talked to you about the music industry. If you ain't motherfucking going to do the math with that. I never connected it like that because Ent talk to you about the music industry. If you ain't motherfucking like gonna do the math with that. I never connected it like that

because Entourage shows you the ups and downs of the game because there was times when Vince was fucked up. Fucked up, yeah. You know what I mean? Back to move back to Queens

like yo fellas, it's over. And guess what? We all been through that. We all been through that. Now that's how I'm related to everyone That's how I ended up on the worst show

in my life. Alright, no. I was gonna segue to that. Okay. That's how I ended up on the worst show of my life. All right, no, I was going to segue to that. OK. No, no, that's the way you get segued. That's how I ended up. How did that relate? The bag was low, my nigga.

The bag, I ain't going to lie, probably had $1,300 to my name, my nigga. But let's say maybe the bag wasn't low, you started to live to a certain extent because of R2R2R. Not just R2R2Rs, but just checks. I had a half a million outR. Not just RR, but just Chex. I had a half a million out publishing. And you had a record with Jay-Z. No one here could say they had a record with Jay-Z.

Facts. And not only that, he cleared it to where he allowed me to, when you go into the stores, and you put featuring Jay-Z on a sticker. That's, he don't allow that shit. I put his name bigger than my shit on them. Some niggas don't even buying a Jay-Z city. Yeah, they didn't know.

Yeah, I was like, put that nigga's name bigger than fuck. He put Jay-Z in the history cycle. Yeah. I had that nigga's shit glitter and shit. Beautiful. I was like, yeah, put that nigga's shit first. Right. Beater and Jay-Z.

Right. Like, so when you walk into the store, they catch your eye, all you see is Jay-Z. And they're pitching me with tape on my mouth like I ain't do that shit. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't my idea.

You know what I'm saying? But it was. You know what I'm saying? And he allowed, he cleared that shit. So at the time, and then we getting right back to the love of hip hop.

So at the time, did you care, was it a favor for you? Because you was a hot artist. Like people were really, oh, was it a favor for just? No. And you didn't even care. It was a favor for you cause you was a high artist like people were really or was it a favor for Just and you didn't even care it was a favor for me

but indirectly but what happened was and this is why me and Just me and Just used to get to the point and I can tell this story cause we don't drink champs I got the craziest

Just Blaze story in the world it was Just Blaze manager's birthday right and I'm gonna segue into how I got the craziest Just Blaze story in the world. Okay. I love it. It was Just Blaze manager's birthday, right? And I'm going to segue into how I got the Jay-Z record. But this goes to show you how close me and Just Blaze got and how much I love this nigga. I love Just. You will never, ever, ever hear me publicly.

Regardless of how the deal went, how the situation went, I will never in my life say anything negative about that man. I respect that. And this is one of the reasons. It's multiple reasons, but this is one of them. One day, Justice is having a party, right? Well, his manager is having a party. He goes, Si, I want to invite you to eat with him.

He's like, but them niggas, them Brownsville niggas, keep them niggas away from the party. And if you bring them niggas Vince told me in Denver I told him you can't it's not going to happen if you bring them niggas

son hope you can control them so I'm like nah I'm just going to bring I'm just going to bring my man my man Black he a good nigga

he from Fort Greene he not even from the Vail he from Brooklyn but he from Fort Greene because of the varigate you know what I'm saying but that's how this shit go down my my nigga.

We go to the motherfucking joint. You're going too crazy. You're drinking that watermelon. What did you just whisper in his ear, bro? He got a relax. A puff can hang out with us.

A fucking conspiracy. A puff can hang out. This is a true story, and just to verify this. Yes, please. So this is a real family and friends only event. You know what I mean? His close family, her close family. This is his manager.

So we in there. We having a good time. Next thing you know, my man starts roaming. I bring a nigga named Black with me. Grimy nigga from Fort Greene. But he telling me he gonna be on his best behavior. I see some shit. Is he drinking Hennessy? I don't know what the fuck

he's drinking. He's drinking brown liquor? I just knew the nigga was up. And we had the speech, my nigga. We sat and we talked. I said, fam, this ain't the hood, my nigga. Right. We not. This ain't. Gotta relax. Yeah, this ain't. We gotta relax. We gotta relax. He like, son, man, you trying to play like I can't conduct myself? Exactly.

This is where shit gets spooky. First nigga that say, I got it, don't got it. This is where it got super spooky, my nigga. Listen to this, sir. We in the joint. Next thing you know, I see a scuffle ensue. This place shouldn't be a scuffle. It's nothing but older ladies,

his mother's there, his aunts, her aunt, ain't no goons. Only goon in that motherfucker is me and my friend. I see a scuffle, and then I don't see my friend. So I'm like, let me go over there and see what the fuck, if he's involved. And sure enough, it's him versus the security.

Right? So I walk over there. Security of the studio? The security of the club. Oh, okay. The club. I'm for my bad. It wasn't even a club. It was like a restaurant. Lounge?

A lounge. Okay. Yeah. All right. I see him and the security back and forth with it. Nigga, fuck. So I'm like, here we go. I walk over there.

I'm like, fam, what's going on? Nah, this nigga. Fuck this nigga violating. So the security nigga is not big. Nigga's a, he might be about a little bit taller than you, but you're built. Slim, kind of slim. So my man.

Don't be gassing my man, Kareem. So my man is like this. The homie. And I'm going to tell a story because it's facts over fiction. And this probably, my man going to get mad at me, but fuck it. The truth is the truth. The truth is the truth. The truth is the truth. And I'm not going to get into the details of it.

So when I make it over there, these niggas is in each other's face. And the dude is mad calm. He's just looking at my man like, so my man's the one with the, yo, you know what I'm saying? You fucking. So I'm like, what's going on? How this nigga more stinking? So my man, I'm like, yo, we leaving. So Just walks over there like, what's going on? How this nigga more stinking? To my man, I'm like, yo, we leaving. So Just walks over there like, what's going on?

I said, don't worry about it, Just. So he's like, Saigon, Saigon, like, this is what I told you. Not to bring it to the environment. So I said, we leaving. But when Just said it, he said Brownsville, correct? No, Just said, nigga, this kind of element. Okay. The thug shit.

Okay. Not to bring this shit. He ain't even say that. He's insinuating it. He's like, Saigon, this is what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying? He's seen me fuck up a couple times. That's good.

That's good. You got to pour me a whole cup of champagne. I'm sorry, man. I'm in this story, man. I'm in this story, bro. Heavy pour for that story it's a story it's a story this is what it should get ill

and I love I love my mom Sharon his mother's like my mother so he like this is what I'm talking about so my man's all in the nigga face

the nigga just got his demeanor like he's calm as shit I'm like for this nigga to be like my man so my man said some shit that must have hit him the wrong way. Josh. No.

Josh is saying, Saigon, this is the shit I told you not to bring around. So when he says that, I'm like, we leaving. I grab my man like, we out. We ain't going to fuck up this shit. We leaving. So my man, he's too in his rah-rah shit. He tells the Kareem, nigga. What's his name, Kareem?

Yeah. He tells this nigga, come outside, nigga. You gonna die. You know what that nigga said? Let's go, man. Today seems like a good day to die. Follow the nigga out.

I wasn't ready. I know. I wasn't ready. I know. Kareem wasn't ready. Kareem was ready. Kareem was extra ready. That was the problem. Kareem was too ready. The nigga was a skinny security for a reason.

I'm like, how is this nigga a security? The nigga wasn't buff or none of that shit. He's a trained assassin. Yeah. The nigga said buff. The nigga said, today feels like a good day to die. My man's kicking that come outside feels like a good day to die. My man's kicking that

come outside nigga like he got the slammer. Let's go. Wow. Follow the nigga outside. We all walking, I'm like, what's gonna go on now?

Cause I know we ain't got no hammer. I came with the nigga. So I don't know why he's selling wolf tickets or whatever the fuck, but that's what he's doing. You know what I'm saying? Come outside,

you gonna die. I'm like, we gonna bring a bottle and stab the nigga? There ain't no weapons outside. So, yo, he follows the nigga outside. These niggas square up. My nigga, this nigga did some old roundhouse kicks. Kareem, man?

Kareem! Kareem, you're a ninja. My nigga roundhouse my man. Roundhouse my man. Knock him to the floor. Kareem is MMAing this motherfucker. My man falls to the floor. I'm like, oh shit. The nigga jumps on top of my man about to do him filthy. I jump on Kareem's back.

No, when I jump on Kareem's back. Let's reenact it. Yo, when I jump on Kareem's back like nah I ain't gonna let you do it like don't hit me with that shit but no man I can't let you do them filthy just blaze moms jumps on my back oh my god like breaking it up like stop stop when just blaze jumps on my back I forgot my other man gully was with us be small he sees sees somebody he don't know is his mom's he pushes just blaze mom Love me Pushes just blaze mom. She turns around like

Blaze mom where's that with the nigga like what's poppin my nigga? So I'm like, yo, that's Just Plays. And Just Plays is like this. Yo, that's my mama, nigga. I ain't never seen Just this gangsta in my life. Y'all niggas is crazy. That's my mama. I'll fuck all y'all niggas up. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I'm like, there goes my deal.

There goes everything. I'm looking at this nigga like, hey, by you. Yeah, my whole shit is gone, my nigga. I'm looking at this nigga. I'm, by you. Yeah, my whole shit is gone, my nigga. I'm looking at this nigga. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm ready to wake up like, that was some fucked up dreams. My nigga, this shit, man, had some fucked up dreams the other day. Yo, my nigga.

Yeah, so once it finally calms down, I'm like, yo, I'm sitting there apologizing. Like, yo, my nigga, I'm sorry. He was like, see, this is what the fuck I was talking about. My mom's Saigon. My mom's. I'm like, man. So, just blaze balls. Was ready to pop our hands up.

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Connecting changes everything. Okay, so now let's go. How did you wind up in Love & Hip? So, boom. And you did two seasons? How many seasons? I did one. I did a half, but Mona was smart enough to keep me.

No, to make me finish. She kicked that Violator shit on me. She kicked that Vi, because I know Mona. She kicked that Violator shit on me. She kicked that Violator, because I know Mona. I was on Violator at one point. I was with Kristen when she had the little office. You was on Violator, so you remember Mona was right there in the corner. Yeah, Mona was right there like this, learning and sweeping up the game from Chris. You know what I'm saying?

So she's smart as shit. That's the thing with Mona. She's a visionary. So long story longer motherfucking I'm damned I'm fucked up at this point my mama just died my money's fucked up yeah my money's super fucked up I'd like to the point where I'm like damn I'm gonna end up being back in the hood and that as an artist that's the that's of your worst nightmares.

Like, ending up back to where you chipping in for 40s with niggas. After Entourage, after all that. Because that's what niggas want. Niggas act like they're cheering you on, but they would love to see you back there in the same position they in. Like, what happened, nigga? You know what I mean? Where the Benz at, nigga? You know what I mean? Where the bins at, nigga? You know what I mean?

Where the jewels, nigga? Where that? And I was like, damn. I dreaded that shit. You know, I dreaded it. And I'm like, this has happened to me a couple times. Ain't the first time I almost hit rock bottom. I was down there at rock bottom.

Like, I got two kids five weeks apart. When my mom's died, I kind of went temporarily insane. My mother was my everything. She was the only person, when I was getting in all that trouble, the only person that would write me a letter, the only person to send me. She didn't even have it. She'll send me $10.

You know there ain't shit in commissary. But it's something in there. And that's all she had. And she used to write me like, yo, I know it ain't a lot, but this is all I could do. I got four other kids. You know what I'm saying? But I ain't get no letters from my aunts.

I got nine aunts, my nigga. Not one of them wrote me a letter and said, how you doing? Not even, are you okay? You say that. You say that. People shitted on you when you was in jail. Yeah, everybody shit on you. It's like being buried alive.

That's what I tell niggas. You go to prison, you going to know what it feels like to be dead. Temporarily dead. Right? Because niggas. You go to prison, you're going to know what it feels like to be dead. Temporarily dead. Right? Because niggas ain't fucking... Niggas ain't fucking... I got cousins in jail right now. And sometimes I call my other family and be like,

yo, when's the last time you wrote Mr.? And they act, oh, oh. When's the last time you thought about this motherfucker? Like, if I didn't bring him up, would you even remember that he exists? Because you buried alive. You know, that's why this whole abandonation,

this whole abandonation shit I started is like, you abandoned, niggas abandon you when you were in jail. And the great story of a toy we're going to get into that,

but keep it to you. Yeah, but, but yeah, like I was saying, like, this is how, so, when I went kind of crazy,

because I used to be the condom king, like all them bitches I fucked on entourage, I was strapped up. One thing I never worried about was my dick pulling up. Nah, I wasn't a bad backer.

Very responsible. Very responsible with the schlong, son. Yeah, I was very responsible with the schlong. I don't know where we're going with this. But this is the point.

The point was... Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot for you. Yeah, the point was... I love this shit, man. Keep going. No, we got to take a shot. Let's take a shot for you. Yeah, the point was is... I love this shit, bro. Yeah, keep going. No, you got to take a shot. It doesn't count unless you take a shot.

Oh, shit. You're going to have me in here like Lamar Odom, like, yo, niggas trying to play me. You good, bro. You got to take it, though. You got to take it. You got to finish it, though. You got to finish it. You got to finish it.

Side off. You got to finish it. Oh, Queens, Queens, yeah. You got to finish it. You got to finish it. You got to finish it. Oh, look at what we did. We did it.

We did it. We did it. We did it. We did. You gotta finish it. No, you gotta finish it. Side off. You gotta finish it. Oh, Queens. Queens, man. You gotta finish it. You gotta finish it. Oh, you did y'all? I'm a Puerto Rican.

It's not even Queens. It's about Puerto Rican. Am I a Puerto Rican? No, I'm just saying. Oh, I was about to say, damn. When you come on this show, you a Puerto Rican when you come on this show.

Everybody's Puerto Rican. Because we gotta finish our shit. So continue. You're very interesting. Let's go. So boom. I'm fucked up in the game. This is where I was going with the finish our shit. So continue. You're very interesting. Let's go. So boom. I'm fucked up in the game. This is where I was going with the condom shit.

So now I start slinging. We're going to love and hip hop. I know. This is how I get there. Make sure the condom and him release the love and hip hop. This is how I get there. All right, let's go. This is how I end up on the show with her.

You notice I got a DNA test on the show? Oh, because the shorty that you on. I ain't know this bitch from a hole in the wall. I kind of know her a little bit. I know her. I know. A lot of niggas know her. She used to fuck with Tupac, nigga.

All right. Hold it. Yo, she fucked... Oh, damn. Matter of fact, Erica, I'm sorry. Nah, nah. You know why? I did.

Because she just lost her father two days ago. God bless her. God bless Erica, my son's grandfather. He love his grandfather. And plus, I'm trying to get to a point with her cause me and her ain't been friends since that show

I don't fuck with her I don't fuck once I can't trust you I can't fuck with you but why what happened my nigga she let's get

let's get into it I'm just gonna be quiet okay I'm just gonna let you ride when my mom died my mom died 2008 God bless I'm sorry

I'm sorry should we make some noise for moms I mean let's be quiet for moms. Yeah. Let's give moms a 10 second. One, two, 10 second.

I got mom. Going back. Mama Saigon. I love you. Mama Saigon. We love you. I am Josephine, son. That shit tattooed on my neck. God damn it. You know what I'm saying? So. Can I tell you. Mama Saigon. I love you. Mama Saigon. We love you.

I am Josephine, son. That shit tattooed on my neck. God damn it. You know what I'm saying? So. Can I see you? So when this whole bullshit happened, damn, was that the right side? It's this side, right?

I don't know. One of them sides. It's okay. We got multiple cameras on you, baby. You good. All the time. We got you. Whatever side you got, we got you, bro.

I love this. We got you, bro. We hip hop. We hip hop. Nah, you know what? I'm excited about being around one of my favorite artists and shit. But I got another Capone story. I got a Capone story. That's at the end.

I'm going to end this with a Capone story. Because me and Capone almost got it on. Let's keep your shit. Yeah, me and Capone almost got it on without realizing who we're talking about. All right, all right. Let's go. Because I was made sure I was going to talk about that.

We'll come back to that. OK. What were we talking about before? What we said to that? So check about that. We'll come back to that. Okay. But we was talking about before. Yeah, okay. We was into that. So check it out. Love and hip hop. Love and hip hop.

Yeah. But I'm telling you how I got on the show. Yeah. I'll tell you how I got on the show. Because this was some funny shit. So when my moms died, I went into a temporary insanity mode. Like I said, I used to be the most responsible nigga, but I went through a phase where I didn't care about my life. That's when I got robbed and shit. And I went up. Like you said, I used to be the most responsible nigga, but I went to a phase where I didn't care about my life.

That's when I got robbed and shit. Like you said, my nigga... The reason why they never... Because they took my shit, but the reason why my nigga's shit never went on tour, we got sidearm because I went there and shot the shit up. I shot my cousin. Yeah, I got busy.

Because I didn't care at that point. My mother just died. So, at this point, the women in my life at the time who, they weren't really in my life. You know when you got them girls you call when, like you said, Triple H. When you're horny and shit. And I hate to throw them under the bus, but the truth over feelings. Like, this is the truth. This is our story and shit. Real shit.

So I didn't know these women. I just known them for, yo, what you doing? I used to call the girls, like, you got a boyfriend this week? No? All right, hit me back when you're done. So we can hook up, and then I'll call you in six months. Like, we never went on dates. It was rapper shit.

You know what I'm saying? Real shit. So when my moms died, I had gotten two women pregnant at the same time, cause I started slinging raw Kizna. Nigga didn't care no more. Nigga was trying to die. I was like, fuck it, I ain't got no mama, I'm slinging raw, just near smalls.

So no more condom king? Yo, y'all. No more condom king. Yeah, that shit went out the window for a short period of time. And you just came home? So I made the mistake of not. You're not blaming me for just came home, or you just saying fucking? Bro, this is.

You be home. I'm Saigon. You fell off. All right, all right, let's go. I'm cold Saigon now. After entourage, after all that shit. Let's just sling it. Yeah, slinging raw dick.

Slinging. Slinging nigga like. Yeah, slinging raw dick. Slinging nigga. Yo, so... So, Ana, this is a true story, my nigga. This is Drink Chance. We got to keep it a bitty, right? So, I get two women pregnant at the same time. God damn it.

And while they pregnant, I snap back into reality. Like, I can't bring my mother back. And me fucking up my life is not something she'd want. Like, oh, my mom back. And me fucking up my life is not something she'd want. Like, oh, my mom's dead, let me throw my life away, because that's where I was on that path. And my excuse was, my mother's not here. The only person

that loved me in the whole world is gone. So fuck it. I don't care about nothing. I went through a real retarded phase for about 18, 19 months. And during this phase, I got two women pregnant at the same time. So when I snap back out of reality and these children are born, I'm trying to be there every step of the way. Like, okay, now I got my mother's not coming back. Me acting like an asshole ain't going to bring her back.

So let me get my shit together. And what my mother would tell me was, nigga, you made a mistake. This mistake you made, you got to fix it. Now you got to live with it, and you got to take care of them kids. You got to be there for them kids. You got to be the best father you could be. So I, so now, Erica, I never even seen Erica pregnant.

My son's mother, I never seen her pregnant, not a picture, not a big belly, nothing. She just came and told me, I'm pregnant and it's yours. And I was like, fuck it. Where's he at? Bring him, bring him. Because I got a daughter who's, how old is he? Eight months?

I got another eight months over here. So I had- Same time. Same time. Five weeks apart. So either one of them told you that he was pregnant? Or the other one? The other one, no.

The other one, she said she was, but she said she was having an abortion. She was like, man, you ain't in no position. I don't even fuck with you. I don't even hardly know you. No, my nigga just had them kind of relationships the way we... It happened. It happened.

You know what I'm saying? I had more of a relationship with her than Erica, but we weren't in the space to have a baby. We weren't in the space to have a child, to bring a child in the world together. No, listen, that's Darth Vader. Relax. Let him know.

You know what I'm saying? You know when you shouldn't have a baby with a... You know what I'm saying? So long story short, right? I got these two kids who I got all the time now. I'm trying to do the right thing.

And this is like when they eight, nine, ten months. So they baby babies. So a girl who I used to knock down from Toronto pops up out of my life nowhere. Because I'm posting my kids on Instagram. I don't know where this is going.

Is she saying you got a third one? No. I'll tell you how I got on the show. Right. This girl pops up out of my life who I used to just knock down. Another one I used to knock down. Pretty girl, right? So she comes and goes, yo, I love how you are with your kids.

I see you. I respect you as a man. Is there anything I could do? I'm like, there's a lot you could do, bitch. I love who you are with your kids. I see you. I respect you as a man. Is there anything I could do? I'm like, there's a lot you could do, bitch. I'm trying to do this shit. I don't fuck with their mothers, but I'm trying to be the best father. She starts coming around. She starts buying the kids clothes, helping me with my kids.

So I'm like, damn, this ain't like Shorty, because Shorty never seemed like this kind of girl before. So I'm like, damn. You knew her? I'm like, damn. You knew her? I knew her, but I used to say, no, she's from Canada. I used to just knock her down. Oh, you used to do that?

Yeah, I was knocking her down years ago before this, though. But she pops up back in my life, helping me with the kids. White girl again? Nah, nah, she's Jamaican. Oh, Rasta. Pretty girl, real pretty girl. Everything Christmas, carry everything. Automatically she talks it down. Everything Christmas, carry everything. Never fried Christmas, Carrie, Carrie, Christmas.

Lever fried, it's like, Lever fried, I'm freaking serious. I'm thinking about the past. Chris McBadger. Did she eat, is she from Canada? Did she eat Worcestershire or couple of Worcestershire and then eat Canada? Festival. No, the fries shit.

No, not festival. No, the fries, the shit with the fries. Poutine. She eat poutine. That's more French, that's more French shit. The shit with the fries. Poutine. Poutine. That's more French. That's more French shit. That's more the French. I think every nigga ain't eat more poutine. No, no, no.

Poutine. Poutine. Poutine. So, now, real shit. So, she starts coming around. So, after about three weeks of her being there consistently, she pops the question.

Like, would you do Love & Hip Hop? I thought she was going to ask you to marry her. No, she asked me would I Like, would you do love and hip hop? I thought she was going to ask you to marry her. No, she asked me would I do love and hip hop. And you know, back then, every nigga's answer for that. Hell no, I ain't doing that. Wait, the Canadian chick asked you to be on love and hip hop?

Yeah, the Canadian girl asked me would I do the show. And you was knocking her down. She was a secret agent for love and hip hop? She asked me would I do, no. With her? No, she asked me would you go on the show? Oh, like just randomly? Yeah, randomly, while it's on She asked me what I do. No. With her? No. She asked me, would you go on this show? Oh, like just randomly? Yeah, randomly while it's on.

Like, would you do this? And I'm like, nah, hell no. Niggas be bugging on it. I ain't doing that ratchet shit. That's what I say all the time. I kicked the whole speech. She was like, that sucks because I got us an audition with Mona. Oh, shit.

I said, what? She said, yeah, this Friday they want us to go read for the part. So, then it all dawned. Oh, that's why this bitch been coming around. Wow. So, what she had did was told Mona she was in a relationship with me. You talking about this is your baby mom? No, this was the Canadian, my nigga.

The one that was knocking down. Oh, the other one. The one that started coming around. All right, my bad, my bad. So, she had an ulterior motive the whole time. They was trying to line you up. That's fucked up, man. She was using me to get on the show.

This is what she did. She went to get on the show. They liked her and was like, yo, you got to have a nigga that is loving hip hop. Who's your hip hop connection? You know how I fucked with the nigga Saigon from Ontario. She ran that whole place. From Ontario. Ran that whole place. She's the legend. She's that whole play. From Ontario. Ran that whole thing.

She's a legend. She's a legend, bro. So Mona was like, a word? Mona was into that. Mona was like, Violet, oh, I know Saigon.

Oh, I know Saigon. Yeah. Ain't gonna pull that off. So that's why she's coming around helping me. But she was so smart. She didn't do it right away. She did it like

after a couple weeks. So but the girl the girl she lured you in she lured me in to go read cause you gotta go read for the shit and all

they make you audition for that shit too so I'm like first I'm like hell then when she told me we had to audition I was like

I started thinking about the baby bag I had like how low my funds was and then I'm like we probably not gonna get it it's probably this is when it shows that it's was. And then I'm like, we probably not going to get it. This is one of the shows that is peak. I'm like, fuck it.

Worst case scenario, they say no. First I was like, that's foul what you did because I peeped game right away. I was like, that's why you've been helping me. That's why you're over here because you need me to get on this show. So we go read for the show. She's a hustler. She hustled the shit out of me. We go get on,

we go read for the show. We get the part, me and her. Me and the girl. They like, we love y'all. They start filming us. While they filming us,

they realize the hugs ain't tight enough. The kisses ain't passionate enough. So Mona's so smart, she like, something ain't right here. She was like, something about this right here. She was like,

something about this dynamic because we had a bullshit storyline. Yeah, you know, we were in love and then, Ain't no love in that motherfucker. My nigga, Mona knew right away, this is a fluke.

Ooh. So Mona was like, yo, this shit is fugazi. We watch it back. Y'all niggas don't look like y'all fuck with each other. Y'all don't even look like y'all like each other.

Like, this shit is not gonna happen. So I'm like, fuck it'all like each other. Like, this shit is not going to happen. So I'm like, fuck it. It was a one-night stand type thing. The jig is up. Yeah, this was a one-night stand, and I could tell. So I'm like, fuck it. The jig is up.

So they fired Shorty and came to me. It was like, yo, we don't fuck with her, but we like you. You ain't got no bitches you can bring on the show with you? I said, I got three baby mamas. What a way to turn. I said, I got three baby mamas. What the fuck are you talking about? So then I'm like, hmm, which one of my baby mamas gave me the less headache?

And it was Erica. So I'm like, I called Erica. I said, Erica, listen. Because she knew I was doing a lot of hip hop. Because we shot like for three weeks with that Canadian before they fired us. They was looking back at the footage and saying, this shit don't resonate. So they fired her, came to me and was like, yo, we still want to keep you, but we need a better storyline.

But you ain't got no bitches in that nigga? What you out here slacking? I'm like, I got, nigga, my shit is, you want my real story? And I told her what was going on in my life, and she was like, oh, we love it. And that's how I ended up in there with my son's mom. I called my son's mom, and I said, look, I got an opportunity for us right now.

That love of hip-hop, they don't want that other bitch. And I could bring you on the show. I don't know. I don't know. I said, listen, you always complain about money. This is an opportunity for you to get money. All you got to do is follow my lead because it's all about drama. She's from Queens, right?

She's from Jamaica, you know? All right, let's go. I said, yo, it's all about drama. She's from Queens, right? She's from Jamaica, you know? Alright, let's go. I say, yo, it's all about drama. We don't need the drama shit. Just follow my lead and we can make this shit work. We got, the sky's the limit with this shit. It's 4 million, 5 million people watching you every Monday. 6 million. Yeah, 6 million. Like, this is big. He handles their social media. Yeah, this is huge.

No, this shit is huge. This shit is huge. Only thing I shit is huge. This shit is huge. Only thing I need you to do is trust in me. This is my... First, she was like, I don't know about putting my life out there like that. I said, just trust in me. Please, just trust in me. I'm going to guide you. We have a son together.

So I'm not going to fuck... This is forever. Me and you, whether we like each other or not, we got to deal with each other forever. So I'm like, I'm putting you on... This is a come up. You know what I'm saying? So for the first two or three shootings, she did everything. Everything was going smooth.

Her friends got in her head like, you made it. You made it. Then she was like. After the episodes came out? Nah, while we were shooting. Because then she started coming at you. Let's be clear. Y'all didn't even see half the shit that she was saying

that didn't make the screen, my nigga. That's why I was like, what? Bitch called me gay one time on tape. Wait a minute. Bitch was like, you gay ass nigga. I said, I'm gay, my nigga? You ever heard about me being with a fucking dude or something? She was like, you said my butt was fake.

It is, bitch. I didn't lie you lying so I I'm like yeah facts over facts over feelings I'm not sure how to react to this

I know how to react to it my nigga the bitch called me and that's when that's when the bag that's when I said the gloves is off you really

they didn't never air it so I never had to even say it you know what I'm saying nobody would have never if I didn't come on drink champs and say it but I'm what I'm saying? Nobody would have never, if I didn't come on Drink Champs and say it, but I'm thorough, I'm transparent. That's what made me say, oh, if you willing to go on TV

and try to belittle me to this, after I brought you into a situation that could have been amazing for both of us, but your friends is in your, the bitch told me one time, I mean, the one, the female, she was like, it ain't your, I'm like, Erica, you're gonna make this go bad You're gonna do you're gonna let a temporary situation Yeah It's ain't your show

Nigga, it's ain't yours. I said, but it was my situation. I asked you to come nigga. This is love a hip-hop. I do me That's how she was talking to me and I'm like, are you kidding me? So I said Erica we have a son together. When this show's not hot no more, we still going to have to raise this kid. You letting temporary shit do things that's going to have permanent result, permanent damage. Like, I'm different. Don't play with me like this. And she was like, nigga, you ain't nobody.

I mean, going forward. Word, my nigga, to the point where I'm like, Erica, I put you in this situation. Nobody even fuck with your music, nigga. You a bum ass nigga. Holy shit. And I'm saying like, wow. That's why I'm like, yo, I'm like, I can't trust you. Once I can't trust you to that magnitude, that's why it was so...

It came out on TV the way it did because I that's why I said when I quit in the middle I told Mona I said Mona I can't do this with this girl

I'll fuck around punch this bitch in the face on TV son something's gonna click in me and I'm gonna end up looking like the nigga

that beat up a girl on TV because I'm my brain's wired a little bit I said Mona she's doing she's taking me to a little bit I said Mona she's doing she's taking me to a point where

I don't want to go she's taking me to a point where I'm going to fuck up for myself I know myself I know when my lips start doing this shit I'm about to do some stupid shit that's why I'm like and she's bringing me to a point where I don't want to go so I can't do the show no more so Mona

that's how I how Mona finessed me to finish the season. Mona was like, yo, you know, if you quit, this fucks up the money and Viacom owns this show. And it wasn't

anything to do with you and Joe butting drama at the time? Nah. With Erica? No, did you and Joe have drama at the time? Yeah, yeah.

We had drama. Yeah, me and Joe. Not on hip hop. Not on hip hop, nah. We had rap shit. Okay, I can tell you. I'm sorry. I had to cook him on the mic. had, man. Me and Jor- Not on hip hop. Not on hip hop. No. We had rap shit. Okay, I can get to you. I'm sorry. I had to cook him on the mic.

Oh, okay. All right. Throw it on now. All right. I had to cook him on the mic. That was it? After loving hip hop? After loving hip hop, I never fucked with her again.

Until the other day when she called me and told me, so this is seven years I ain't fucked with this girl. So this is the kind of nigga I am. I'm Haitian. Who we talking about, Mona or we talking about? Oh, Mona. I'm talking about Erica. Baby Mona.

I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, how much of Yaggy Mouthies you got? No, no, no. I'm looking at my own point. You notice I know the growth too. Yeah. But I just want you to tell your story.

I want you to tell your story because, you know, your story is very, very, very rich. Thank you. I wish I was rich as my story. No, no, no. I mean, you know, your story is very, very, very rich. Thank you. I wish I was rich as my story. No, no, no. I mean, like, you know what I mean.

Nah, it is. I wrote a book during the quarantine and I wrote a book. That's why when I'm doing these interviews, I'm like, but the book is so much

more detailed. So I'm like, I could tell because that's going to make it bigger. We need these visuals right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When you're talking. And plus, you know what? To be 19 years. Because a lot of people, you know, like, this is because a lot of people you know like this is like most deaf this is like

Todd Libquot this is like KRS-One doing love and hip hop you're the first one a conscious rapper that got on and did love and yeah the first

and last I don't think I think you was the first and example to not do it because I thought we were honestly

and I told Erica this demographic needs my whole point of the show like I even show example to not do it. Because I thought we would, honestly, and I told Erica this, we can, this demographic needs, my whole point of the show, like I even showed EFN a show that I was creating called Father Figures, and my whole point

of doing the show, I was like, Erica, our storyline is going to be, even though we're not together, we have a child. I want to show that demographic

that you don't have to be with a woman for y'all to co-parent correctly to raise a child. So the producer started calling her head saying, y'all boring. They saying, y'all boring. Y'all boring. So she thought, oh, we need to turn up. This is in Love & Hip Hop?

Yeah. So I'm telling her, I'm like, nah. I respect the Love & Hip Hop producers. Don't respect y'all for falling for it. It wasn't y'all. It was her. Because I told her what was going on. I said, Erica, you know what you know.

At one point, I did see you say, fuck you, bitch. At that point, I said way more shit than that. Y'all got to the point when they would come shoot us. Sorry, I watched the show for real. Bro, it was worse than... We only have debates about love and hip-hop all day long. It was worse than what anybody... It was the first time I ever was...

He's an executive over there, and I don't watch the show. This is the first time I ever seen... Bro, it was way... You didn't even listen to Cygaw music. You didn't even listen to Black Woman. It was way worse than... We have to do the WAP? No, we don't got to do...

The WAP? Quick Thomas Line. What is it? No, we got to wrap it. Right, right. Cygaw got to go. Bro, we got presents? Huh? Oh, damn. Come on, just keep going. We got to wrap it. Right, right. We got presents? Huh?

Oh, damn. Come on, just keep going. We got about seven more minutes. Leave us the fuck alone, bro. Okay. We can do what the fuck we want, bro. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But that was the first time I was like, damn, bro.

Because you was our poor, righteous teachers. You was our new... Yeah, and you know what? It was the fact that I needed the rep. But you say, no matter how much, they can break you. No,

they can't break you. Because did they put you? She broke me. She broke me. It was the girl. It was not the show. It wasn't the show. It was the girl.

She broke me. I respect that. You know, I respect that, bro. Nah, she broke me. And that's why I didn't talk to her for six years, bro.

Like, like I said, like, once I lose your trust, to me, trust is everything. Once I can't trust you, what's the point of talking to you? I don't even know if what's coming out your mouth is real or not. I can't even trust any fucking thing you say. You can't be like, I really mean this.

Bitch, you said that last time. But you don't repair the relationship now. Because her father died. I'm trying. Because I want a relationship with my son. I don't have the relationship with my son. If you look at my Instagram, I post my daughter's, yeah, because of

loving hip hop. It fucked up the relationship with your son. It killed it. It killed it. It killed it. It killed it. Huh? It killed, it killed, it killed. Like, my son is about to be nine years old next week and I hardly know him. I hardly know him like I want to know him. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, it's crazy and it's because, and I explained to this young lady, I said, look, you can't raise this little black man like I can, man. I don't give a fuck what niggas come in and out of your life. Nobody's gonna love this nigga unconditionally. Stop fucking keeping him away from me. Stop doing that because you, do you hate me more

than you love him? Because you're not, you're hurting him more than you're hurting me. You're thinking, oh, I'm going to keep him over here. But you're hurting him because he's growing up without his father, man. And you're doing this shit. This shit make me want to cry. I ain't going to lie. Nah, you ain't going to cry.

I ain't going to cry. I ain't going to cry. You know what I'm doing, son. But let's talk about, let's take another shot. Let's talk about this strange music deal. You want to cry? Take another shot. Let's talk about this strange music deal. You want to cry? Take another shot, yo.

Let's talk about this strange music deal. I love it. I love it. Because it's real talk, man. Let's talk about this strange, because I feel you. I feel you every step of the way. No, no, but real quick, shout out to you doing fatherhood. He's a fatherhood podcast alumni. I love that.

That was beautiful, man. And the homies are like, I know her from back in the days. She's cool. What? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh, my God. Wait a minute. Did that happen to me so much? Yo, you know what's funny? I got another. She's cool. What? What the fuck are you talking about? Oh my god. Bro, wait a minute. Did that happen to me so much?

Yo, you know what's funny? I got another. Oh, no. I'll switch the subject. Bro, I get it. Switch the subject. You switched it to some other shit. I switched it to some shit.

I can name it like I said, my nigga. No, sir. You're good. Strange music. Now, strange music. This is beautiful. Damn. Nori, too. I got to add Nori to the list.

Like, Nori. Strange music. We just doing drink champs things. We just doing drink champs things. All right, I had to lose already. I'm like, damn. Strange music. I got to add Nori.

No, stop. No, stop. I have no idea. Please. Listen to me. Fat Monty? No. No.

Come on. What are we talking about right now? Fair Monty. Strange. Jesus, listen to this. I'm going to ask you who's on the list, nigga. Go, stop. Emon Doug.

No, no, no. Damn. Emon Doug. Emon Doug. I think it's drunk as hell. Make him a shot. He's going to say I'm drunk. Give him a shot. Let's give him a shot. Yeah, I need one more shot. Give him as hell. Give him a shot. Let's give him a shot.

Yeah, I need one more shot. Make some love inside, dog. Two five. Two five. Two five. Two five, two. No, no. On some real shit, because all the things we all been through, what make you say, you

know what, Tech N9ne? Yeah, best in the world. Independent? Yeah, best in the world. Independent, best in the world. And it's not just Tech. Tech is just a face because he's the artist. But Tech has a partner named Travis. Travis is one of the illest, illest. Like, we just came from Kansas City.

You see my man rocking Strange Music. The city is Strange Music. Yo, I got some car washes. Oh, yeah, yeah. my man rocking strange music shit the city is strange music got construction companies yo they got buildings and studios and movie studios movies my they told me when we was out there if y'all get pulled over by the police Just tell them you were strange They let you go Yeah That's what I said That's different That's all The whole Kansas I can't tell you that

Yeah You can't say that You think it's a major It's bigger than a major label It's bigger than a major label My nigga It was a no brainer Especially at this point

Okay but Describe the situation though Because Everything Everything happened You've been through it You've been through it Hold on Let me describe it Let me just give you the intro to it you've been

do everything love a hip-hop everything after that now the time to make music no I didn't it was there was no me it didn't go from not it went from entourage gave me a lot of relationships so I met this kid named Mike Seaman who owned a tech company. No, no, no, no. Please don't do that to him. That bothers him. It's like Seaman's Furniture. You know Seaman's Furniture?

I think he still laughs at the furniture, too. Bust off on your couch. Now you got Seaman's Furniture. Look, he's not a queen, niggas. Mike Seaman. Bro, that's his name, but he's spelled different. It's spelled different.

Where is he from, bro? So long, but he's spelled different. It's spelled different. Where is he from, bro? So long, Alan. Yeah, I gotta leave him alone. He's too close to my barrel. He's a tech, yeah. He's a tech genius. No, he runs a $500 million company. So he's stepping to you. Where are you at? I'm a rapper, but

I'm doing entourage. So we met because of the show. You're at entourage, okay. Well, a couple years probably after, but they know me from the show, and we established a friendship. But he's like a tech, one of those super high genius tech. Silicon Valley.

Silicon Valley guys, but from New York. And, you know, I made up an idea. I had an idea where I wanted to start like a Facebook for artists. So it was called Hip Hop My Way. So I said, I came to him and I pitched an idea where I wanted to start like a Facebook for artists. So it was called Hip Hop My Way. So I said, I came to him and I pitched the idea.

He used to always tell me, I used to be like, yo, let's, because we became friends. I'm like, yo, let's do some business. Let me get some money with you. He'd be like, you come up with an idea that I think could work, and I'll fund it. I don't know what I mean. So we came up with this Hip Hop My Way. I don't know if y'all heard of it, but it's one of the biggest sites out. Niggas didn't even know I owned it.

From Rick Ross is on there to Dave East to everybody who... Everybody... Let's make some noise for this. Let's make some noise, really. Yeah. I made millions of dollars without niggas even realizing.

Is this the time we're taking a shot? No, this is not. This is your chameleon air moment. Yeah, chameleon air is the one who got... Yo, that's my brother. I have a side note. I got to train you on drink chants. When- yo, that's my brother. I have a side note. A millionaire is one of the guys who was like- I gotta train you on drink champs.

When you salute, you gotta take the home shot. Oh, you gotta take the home shot. Yeah. Cheers. All right, all right, here we go. Here we go. Brady over there like you drinking too much brews, you know? Mm.

Mm. Look at that side. It's all gold. He drunker than everybody, nigga. He's the host. When the host is drunker than me, I'm a higher. I'm usually the nigga fucking up, you know what I'm saying? Yo, what happened?

No, hey, nigga. Niggas was fucking up. You know what, nigga? You know what I'm saying? I'm a host. I'm a host. I'm the host. And when the host is drunker than me, I'm a high. I'm usually the nigga fucking up, you know what I'm saying? Yo, I have to know you, nigga. Niggas was fucking up. You know what, nigga? Boy, sing, yo, nigga. Nigga.

Go ahead, son. Go ahead, son. So I built this multi-million dollar company. Salute. Tech called Hip Hop My Way. It's still running to this day. Shout out Bless. Shout out everybody, Mike, everybody who's running it with me.

And, like, shit is doing great, right? Yes. But the rapper in me don't stop recording. So I'm not putting the music out, but I'm recording. I'm recording. I did a whole album with Street Runner, the one that's out now.

Shout out to Street Runner. He from Miami. A fucking phenomenal producer, man. He from Miami. He from Miami. Yeah, that's him. Fucking phenomenal producer, bro. Super. Grammy. Grammy Award winner. Grammy Award.

And still not a couple of mid-streets. Facts. Facts. Because we fucking with Saigon. Yeah, of course. Fuck, he just did Cormega shit. He like to tap in. He like a Miami alchemist.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. That is a hard analogy. It is. Miami alchemist. So check it, though. Can I get another bottle of wine?

So I'm recording all these songs. So one day I look at my computer. I'm like, damn, I got 150 fucking records. Not bum ass shit. Good records. Even though I'm making money doing this tech shit. I'm like, damn, man. And most of my, out of 150 records. There's probably 20

There's like Saigon on this gangster shit like just to see if I still had it 130 of them sisters saved the children's shit doesn't again I think it's another white star. I said no work. I'm sorry, sir. No, you got it That's right. I feel like there's another white star somewhere Now you guys think that's to drink that 50 Cent, Joe. Crack it. 50 Cent joint stays because we love it. We got to keep it in the show for a while.

We got to keep it in the show for a while. We got to recycle. I'm sorry. Continue. Unless you want to pop it? We can pop it right now. If you pop it, we going to pop it. It ain't cold. Which one you want?

Only if it's cold. Which one you want? You can't. Come on. Which one you want? Which one you want? The bottle. You ain't 50 Cent don't got problems, right. Which one you want? Which one you want? The problem. You ain't 50 Cent don't got problems, right? I'm taking a bath.

Not no more. I hope not. All right, so listen. If, if. I love 50 Cent though. So then if, so which one you want to pop, bro? It's up to you. No, no, this is up to you.

No, this is up to you. I'm a guest. I'm a guest in your house. Exactly, it's the guest choice. Oh, for real? But being that you got two of these, let's do one of those. Listen, we have as many as you want, bro.

For real, let's do this one. But if you were like, and if you were like, you the- Can I do the honor? Yes, you gotta do the honor. Oh, this is good. That's not White Star, is it? No.

All right, don't leave it. Shout out to my nigga, 50 Cent. Yeah, that's right, 50 Cent. 50 Cent. G-Unit, motherfuckers. Yeah. Rene. I ain't gonna lie.

Niggas can say what they want. 50's a renaissance, man. 50 this shit that no rapper ever did. Okay, can you wait for me for a second? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not even gonna offend you. I only take two seconds to take a picture. I thought I was gonna be the first nigga to throw up.

I thought I was gonna be the first nigga to throw up on this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can't even ready to throw up. Come on. Say two words. He's out on the second word, quick. Quickest piss ever quick question and then he comes right away for some before we pop this so I got all these records

I got all these records with strange music I mean I got his records so I'm talking to Trav I'm like Trav man I got it but did you Strange Music. I mean, I got all these records. So I'm talking to Trav. I'm like, Trav, man. I got it. But did you have a rapport with Trav from before? I met him. I got a group signed over there, Mayday, and recognized. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did a joint with Kendrick and Tech.

We did that joint over there. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've been. So TDE, they had the whole TDE over there. You know that one. I remember when. I was there when J-Rock and Kendrick was the hype, man, for J-Rock.

Yeah, Kendrick was. And you know Trav owns the whole Black Hippie thing. Yeah, the Black Hippie shit. But he ain't fucking with. Like, he's not. He gave it. Yeah, yeah. But he's doing the right thing.

He did the honorable. He's doing the right thing. He's an honorable man. That's why I fuck with him. He's an honorable guy. Everything that man said he was going to do, he did it. Yeah. Yeah, and that's so hard to find in this day and age, man. It's so hard to find a motherfucker to do what they said he was going to do, he did it. And that's so hard to find in this day and age, man.

It's so hard to find a motherfucker to do what they said he was going to do. That shit is rare. It's like finding a bag of money, my nigga. And I don't mean that... Wipe me down. You got a nose on, bro. I don't like that shit.

You got a hole in the brother. You're a genie. Damn, you only touched your dick, nigga, damn. I'm scared of your own dick. Nigga, Gilly said, yo, FFG. Gilly, no, we just did Gilly the other day. He said it. I washed my hands.

I said, damn, that's real, though. I said, damn, we on some dirty-ass motherfuckers. He said, I know where my dick at. He said, I washed my hands first, then I took a piss. Oh, shit, 50 shit pop. Yeah! Yo, this shit pop unexpectedly, bruv. I know my dick bad. You said I wash my hands first, then I take a piss. Oh, shit. 50 should pop. Yeah! Yeah!

Yo, this shit pop unexpectedly, bro. This shit just said fuck it. It's premajority ejaculating out here. Let's fuck that. Let's do it. Let's do it. No condoms? Let's do it.

No condoms. I got condoms on my fingers, but let's do it. Real rap, though. Yeah, we toasting up to 50. Are you pouring me? Yeah, I'm pouring you. That's what I'm talkin' about. I'm gonna be gettin' this.

I'm gonna go heavy like you went on me. Fuck that. That's okay. That's okay. I'm drinkin' beer. Ain't nobody. I'm goin' for it. I'm drinkin' beer.

I'm goin' for it. I'm drinkin' beer. So now, right now, I'm lookin' at your glasses. That's man shit. Is it glasses? Gucci glasses? Nah, these are from Amazon. These are $10.

I just want them to look. Oh, they're Fucci glasses. These are Fucci. You know why? I can sit on them and laugh. You know, I did that before. I bought the $500 shits, and I still do, but I don't wear them. Should we stop? Should we boycott Gucci?

Yeah, we should. Come on, man. But our boycotts only last a week. Nigga, yo, this is on the NBA. Yo, we took two days off. Nigga, stop. What the fuck is that? Nigga, nigga, the NBA stopped on the NBA talking about, yo, we took two days off. What the fuck is that? Nigga,

niggas saying, yo, the NBA stopped for a day. I didn't realize that. Tell me. Yeah, niggas took two days off. It was like,

we back. We gonna boycott this Jacob. That's unfortunate, yeah. Come on, Jacob Blake, yo,

and then two days later, all right, we gonna resume. So the brawling is playing right now? Yeah, they about to play in the night, man.

Tonight? Yeah, it's over. Word. But what happened when we done that? Like, they about to play tonight, man. Tonight? Yeah, it's over. But when haven't we done that? There's always a name. Niggas be like, Breonna Taylor. Justice for Breonna Taylor. First of all, what's justice for her? If they arrest him?

That ain't justice. If the nigga gets six months, we'll forget about it. They could arrest the nigga, give him a year. He could come home and live his life, and we won't bring him back up. Because we get caught up in the hype of just being a part of it. Nah, fuck, that ain't justice for her. First of all, we keep saying, yo, we need justice. What is justice for her?

We have to define what that would be. Is that him getting life? Is that him getting an electric chair? Or is that him just getting arrested and indicted? Because they can indict this fucking glass. They murdered her in her sleep. They murdered her in her sleep. So what's justice for?

Because everybody's saying Breonna Taylor because it's trendy. It's the thing to do. It's the thing to post for likes. Niggas do that shit for life. That's why I said on my new record. What's the wrong part about that? The wrong part? Yeah.

Because if it ain't real, you're not going to see it through all the way. Like, I always tell niggas, the reason why I'm not out there is because if I go out there to protest, I'm going to tell my kids, don't wait up, my nigga. I'm not coming home.

I'm not going out there with a fucking picket sign, king. What was wrong with people like Mice On doing that? I don't think nothing's wrong. I commend Mice On. And I know him personally, so I know how he feels. He's putting himself out there for sure.. And I know him personally, so I know how he feels.

He's putting himself out there for sure. I respect him for his son. I know what my... And my son ain't no sucker bone in his body. I know my son. So he's out there. If shit do get funky, he gonna get...

And he get arrested with everybody else. He did get arrested. All that arrested. It's not even that. But he understands the danger he's putting himself in by putting himself out there.

He know that if he gets powerful enough and enough people start following him, they'll clip him. He understands that. Absolutely, yeah. And he's still out there.

That's my brother. So he understands and knows that. And that's why I tell him, bro, we got to protect niggas like that at all costs because we ain't doing it.

If I go out there and doing it, I'm not going to last a day because I'm going to be like, let me show y'all what we need to do. Bang, bro, we got to protect niggas like that at all costs because we ain't doing it. If I go out there and doing it, I'm not going to last a day because I'm going to be like, I'm going to show y'all what we need to do. Bang, bang, bang. I'm going to do a Keanu. I'm going to bang with the police. I'm going to do like your partner, man. We banging these things. The white guy. The white guy. What's that?

The white guy that's got a rest of Keanu. You said Keanu. No. I'm talking about Holly. Banging with the police. Your partner. Oh, shit. What? Jesus Christ. Let me copy.

Whole verse? Yeah. We already told how he got the whole verse, brother. You got to relax. You writing shit over here? Yeah, he writing shit. You already told. Oh, it was you?

We did it? Well, no, no, no. No, he's saying, how did he get the whole verse? We established that, correct? Oh, yeah. Oh, no, we didn't. We did? Did you buy this board just for George?

All right. Can we get into that? Yeah, I would love to get into that. How I got the verse, right? How the verse actually happened. Okay, so this is how the verse happened, right? I'm making my album. I go in and make my album.

Just Blaze is doing the whole album. So I'm in there while he's making the beats. So I'm in there while he's making the beats. So I'm in there while he's banging on the fucking MPC. I'm bopping my, like you. I'm in. I'm in to this. This is crazy. I need that. You want this? No doubt.

Nope. Oh, got it. Next day, Lenny S. calls me. Y'all, I got that beat just gave you Jay Jay J Lenny S calls me, y'all I got that beat just gave you, J, J, J like this. J like this, on it. You know I'm doing these shit. I'm like, how the fuck did he hear it?

So he was jacking it? First of all, how the fuck did he hear it when I was there when the nigga made it? Know what I'm saying? He wasn't supposed to play that for J. Know what I'm saying? So I told the nigga, I wanted that shit. So I'm like, all right.

That was one beat. I'm like, fuck it. Second one is, come on, baby. Come on, baby, come on, baby. I'm like this. Don't you, baby, don't you, baby, don't you, baby. I feel like I'm in here with you, OK? I said, yo, I need, this is it.

We got one. High five. High five. That's what we did in the studio. I felt the same way that you. I said, nigga, I'm out of here. I'm out of here with this one. This is the shit I'm talking about.

Because Fat Joe used to always be like, I used to run into Fat Joe, he used to be like, you know how Fat Joe was. Si, make that nigga give you one of them joints, nigga. He got them, nigga. Make that nigga give you one of them joints. Long story, yeah, Fat Joe would always say that. Fat Joe's a Forrest Gump of hip hop, bro.

Make that nigga give you one of them joints. It's really every era. Every. So I thought, come on baby, was it? I get a call from Lenny S. Yo Si, I need to holler at you. Oh, shit. What is this about, Lenny?

Yo, that Come On Baby joint? Jay likes it. How the fuck did he hear that? So now I call Juss. Yo, why are you playing beats that you made for me for Jay? Like, this shit don't make sense, bro. Like, I'm supposed to be your artist, even though I'm signed to rock the mic and shit.

G-Hop. To me, I'm your artist. So I'm like, yo, fam, what the fuck is going on? And he goes, yo, you know, he heard it somehow. Somebody played it for him, and he took it. And, you know, that's the big homie. Like, the nigga put me in a game.

He put me on. It's hard to say no to this nigga, you know what I'm saying? Pretty much, that's what he wasie like the nigga put me in a game he put me on it's hard to say no to this nigga you know what I'm saying pretty much that's what he was saying I respect that as well but I'm like

fam we doing at this time I'm thinking I'm on his label I'm like we building I'm your

flagship artist so I'm like fuck it so and then Lenny S tells me he recorded to it he was like

yo he liked it so much he recorded to the shit last night so I was like that's, he liked it so much he recorded to the shit last night. So I was like, that's gone. So we in there. A couple weeks later. I will be.

Kingdom come. He's making kingdom. Yeah. The Rick James hit. I'm listening, bro. I'm like, that's it. That's my single. I'm out of here.

I'm out. Yo, high five. Kingdom come. You do a kingdom come. Nigga, kingdom come was mine. That was my beat. A high five. Look. I'm sitting of here. I'm out. Yo, high five. Nigga, Kingdom Come was mine. That was my beat. High five, son. Look.

I'm sitting there right now. How do I attack this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nigga, it's just a sign going on. real quick, please. Yeah, man. Kingdom Come, man. That was my beat, Mo. That was his beat. Please, fill up real quick, Kingdom Come. Az, why you looking at us? I'm talking about you,

motherfucking. Pull up Kingdom Come. He's in the store. He's like, shit, I want to pay a tip. Az is drunk. Az, how you drunk?

Get in there. Get in there. Shout out to 50 Cent again, man. Shout out to 50 Cent. This shit is fire. This is the first time I've seen it in person. Like, I don't... Yeah, come on. We all see this. Oh, yeah, first time I've seen it in person.

Yeah, come on. We all see this. Oh, yeah, yeah. I only see it in pictures. No, that's a crazy record, man. That beat was fucking... You gotta put out the mixtape version of your verse. It's Psycho on the bed of the... The verbal icon. I'm sitting there like, it's Psycho on the Ben and the Red.

The verbal icon. I'm... Niggas. Code Sack, nigga. You had that verse. That was my head. That was mine. See, that's the documentary verse.

I had Grind It first. I'm gonna read you the story. Oh, wow. But that's not your verse on the remix. No. No, check this though. Once, he took Come On Baby, he took another beat.

He took another beat? Lenny S. Cosman. Jesus Christ, you can't check that's him right, bro. That Kingdom Come shit, the Rick James sample, I said, nah, Lenny, nah, bro. I said, I don't know

where you're going with this. They do you dirty. I know where you're going with this, nigga. Nah, nigga. He was like, nah, wait, wait, wait, son. Wait, wait. I said, nah, I got to grow a set, my nigga.

I got to put my nuts on the table or something. Because this can't keep doing this. What's going on right now? Lenny S. Oh, that's Lenny S? On FaceTime. Lenny S. Oh, wow.

What's going on? We here with Sygar. He's talking about how you jacked him. I was telling him about how the kingdom come beat and all that shit. Yo, I used to be like, Lydia S. Colby, and be like, uh, I got news, fam. Yo, the big homie said he like that. I was telling him that's how I got the come on baby verse. He was like, how you get the come on baby verse? Lydia S. was like, yo, look.

That's how I got the come on baby verse. I was like, yo, look. That's how I got the come on baby verse. I was like, yo, look. That's how I got the come on baby verse. I was like, yo, look. That's how I got the come on baby verse. I was like, yo, look.

That's how I got the come on baby verse. I was like, yo, look. That's how I got the come on baby verse. I was like, yo, look. That's how I got the come on baby verse. I was like, yo, look. That's how I got the come on baby verse. I was like, yo, look. That's how I got the come on baby verse. that's how I got the come on baby verse. They was like, how you get the come on baby verse?

I said, yo, look. That's how I got the come on baby verse. Because Jay had did the verse already. So yeah, just, yo, Jay. I can't wait for this interview. Yo, yo, the nigga Jay was, yo, at that point, Jay was like, I done jacked the nigga. So he said, yo, give me the kingdom come shit, and you can keep them bars for the Come On Baby shit, right?

I was like, keep that, take it, take it, take it, take it, take it. Hey, yo, if you listen to Jay Verse, he didn't even, on Come On Baby, he didn't even perfect it. You could tell it was just like him fucking with it. You know what I mean? But I was like, that's good enough. That's good enough for me. That's good enough for me. We're similar on everything, God damn it. We got Ace of Spades.

It's in the building. What a liar you are. Jesus. Yo, thank you, Linnaeus. I'll see you later for concerning the story. All right. Well, concerning the later for the story Conservative whatever they know It's a great story great so so let me tell you I finished it let's continue so Put my foot down. I'm like, nah, son.

Somebody, nah, bro. I understand it's Jay-Z, but I'm not going to ever have an album if this nigga keep coming and taking the heat. You know what I'm saying? How's my sense supposed to come together? So he was like, you know what? Give him the Kingdom Come beat because he recorded a verse on Come On Baby. He going to give you that back with the verse.

I said, nigga, say no more. I'll take that. And that's how I got Come On Baby back because he had lit the verse on Come On Baby. He gonna give you that back with the verse. I said, nigga, say, say no more. I'll take that. And that's how I got Come On Baby back because he had a little verse. 3B trade-off. Listen.

There's 1,500,000 rappers. Yeah. There's only 13 of them. Maybe 14, 15. With a Jay-Z voice Maybe 14 50 Jay-z Yeah, I'm honored I got the number I'm still stars To this day I don't did a lot Jay walk in, I be like, oh shit, it's Jay. So,

but, all right, let's be clear. Yeah. Was it you asked for it? Like, you, he walked the baseline,

he said, yo, homie, Brooklyn. Nah. No? Nope. It's not the way it happened?

Yeah, it's like, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take, No, I did, I said, the nigga said,

cause Kingdom Come was, that was the way I said, nah, I need a Kingdom Come. This is, this is my single, like, then he was like, nah, you remember the way I said I need Kingdom Come. This is my single. Then he was like, nah. You remember the other one I took that you liked?

Yeah, you liked that one too. I'm going to give you that back with my vocals on it. So I'm like, nigga, take Kingdom Come, take Queendom Come, take everything. Take the whole deck of cards, nigga.

Brooklyn! Brooklyn! them come take the whole deck of cards nigga take the whole deck and I'm on my way because I'm like I got a J Burps and I'm like I yo I didn't believe it for a long time how different was he for you yo and this is how this is how much I ain't believe it. I used to call Just Blaze like every day and be like, yo, Jay didn't call and change his money, right? He be like, nah. It be three months later, I'm like, yo, did Jay, Jay didn't call and change his money? No Lenny S, no nobody? Nah, son. It got to the point where the day before it came out,

I'm like, you sure we good? Because this ho, any given moment, nigga, Hov shut down your whole fucking everything with a phone call. Like, stop it. He's different. That nigga, in our culture,

he, and not only in our culture, in American culture, Jay-Z is top of the food chain, but nigga, like, Jay-Z's up there with the president. He might be above the president.

They be meeting the nigga sometime, too. Huh? They be meeting the president sometime. there with the president. He might be above the president. They be meeting the niggas sometime, too. Huh? They be meeting the president sometime. But, you know... Not this new president. Nobody want to be with him. Only Kanye.

Only Kanye. You seen the clip with me telling Kanye he don't care about black people? In his face? You telling him? In his face. Like, there's this... Explain this. Explain this.

No, I ain't seen that. Pull it up. Pull it up. I'll pull that shit up. Pull it up. Now, show us. You show us. Fuck. Fuck. Has. No, no, no. I'm just saying we can't seen that. Pull it up. I'll pull that shit up. Now show us. You show us.

Fuck Haas. No, no, no. I'm just saying we can't see Haas. So I'm going to show you what happened. I'm going to tell you the whole story, right? I'm going to tell you the whole story. You know Farah Gray? Farah Gray is like one of the youngest, richest black millionaires, whoever there ever was.

He was like a millionaire at 15 or 16 and made a lot of money. And then it went viral. So one day we all at this event, me, him, Kanye, bunch of bigwigs. And I'm talking to this nigga on my black shit like, yo. Because he's like, he's looking scared to death. This nigga's like this. What's about Kanye? No, Fara Gray first. Okay. So Fara Gray,. What's about Kanye? No, Farrah Gray first.

Okay. So Farrah Gray, I'm talking to this nigga like, yo, my nigga, you in a position to make us look... And I'm like, no, we invented,

I'm going to show you. We started this whole country. We invented yada, yada, yada. Kanye walks over. And we're like, yo, what's going on? What y'all talking about? So I'm like, Kanye,

I'm trying to talk to this nigga about the black plate and how we need to do this and we need to do that and how we need to do this. And he's eating. He's like, you know, whatever. So I'm like, man, this mother. I'm going to show you. This nigga right here is a sucker.

This nigga don't give a shit about the people, though, because he was big. He was Kanye West. Look. Look at this shit. I can't make this shit up, King. I don't lie. If I'm lying, I'm flying, cuz.

I'm not Superman yet. Look at this shit. I'm in. Look, look. Here you go. Put it on the ceiling, man. It's a good one. I like people who get shit on me and get shit back when it's dirty, baby. Here you go. The beat's too low, man. I don't want to be down, so I'm gonna be short.

Yeah, we gotta keep that moving. The Basquiat look, he thinks he's gonna he's gonna get told, he told us some really easy things. When Kanye walk up and kick him the same shit, he's there like... Look at the pleasure. But who, who, who, who, who do he talking to? Huh? Who the dude Kanye talking to? Somebody calling you because you're very important. Man, not now, mo.

Who was the dude Kanye was talking to? Man, man, why the fuck would you call me now? Take the call. You got to see the Father Gray. You got him? He's an American businessman inventor. Yeah, he's an inventor, a very important nigga. I want to keep watching.

Super important nigga, my nigga. I'm sitting here. Look how scared he is. Like, this nigga's fucking up my money. He looking at me. He looking at fucking up millions. Talking this black shit. Stop fucking calling me, man.

Please, I want to continue. Look, I skipped it. I skipped it when you ain't walking. So now I'm spitting the same shit to Kanye. That's a lot of power right there. Look what I tell you, man. When you try to spit it to him,

he ain't hearing me. Kanye don't care about the people, man. He's funny. Yeah, he got all the black records out. I'm sitting there and they're like, nigga, you mean a businessman? Yeah, you're saying he don't care about the people. That's how I used to do these niggas.

That's why they ain't like me. That's how I did it. Yeah, come on. In the face. And you know why I did that? Because he told George Bush, he said that about George Bush. George Bush don't care about black people.

And now you running for president and you Donald Trump does, nigga? But who was this? Hold on. This was recently? Nah, that wasn't recently. Okay. But the point is,

man, how you going to say that about George Bush? And I've been checked you on it, but then you running with Donald Trump? You fuck with Trump? Trump care about us?

Real shit. How you going to tell George Bush don't care about black people but you will fuck with Donald Trump? A nigga that shitted on us way worse than George Bush ever did. Real shit.

Niggas be lost, my nigga. Niggas be lost. And you know what? They get the money. Money be fucking niggas up. And money, you know, you had a lot of money. I had a lot of money. I don't have.

I mean, but you understand, you understand that. Let me correct the y'all already. Okay, now, okay. You still get

a lot of money right there. I'm not getting And guess what? I'm still at y'all's day, bro. I ain't breaking for nobody. That's what I'm,

that's my point. That's my point. You know what I, because where does your happiness come from? Your family, right? Yep. Your wife. I'm, that's my point. That's my point. You know what I, because where does your happiness come from? Your family, right? Yep. Your wife.

Thank you. Seeing your wife smile. Thank you. Seeing your kids happy. Thank you. Seeing them hug you and say, that's what,

you can't buy that. And my brother's smile. And your brother, yeah, everybody was supporting you. You can't buy that love, my nigga. I don't give a fuck

if you had a trillion dollars. You can't buy that. You could be the king on top of the castle with everything and no love around you, and you're going to be miserable. You're going to be miserable. You could be the fucking on top of the food chain with everything.

If you ain't got love, if you ain't got niggas that make your heart smile when you look at their face, this shit is worth nothing, bro. And they teach us, yo, chase money. Money's the end all, be all. That shit is bullshit bro that's all figment of our imagination and we so caught up on

I'm getting this money I'm getting this money yup that shit is fucking us up we should be like I'm happy that's why I like

that Pharrell shit because I'm happy you put Pharrell on yeah you put Pharrell on you running from that nigga that's I don't run from that I hope not Long time, long time. Nigga, he put Pharrell on. Yeah, he put Pharrell on. You run from that? No, I don't run from that. I hope not.

Nigga, that's big in the game, nigga. You know, that's the beautiful thing. Yeah, it's big. I don't live with it. You know, I don't live with it. See, I went to Juss when he was up here. You was already that nigga. You said, come on, Shorty, you got some shit.

He said, Shorty, you got some shit. He said, Shorty, nice. This littley. You got some shit. You said, Shorty, you got some shit. You said, Shorty, nice. This little nigga in Virginia got some shit. I'm going to fuck with him. That's the difference. You know what I'm saying? I believe in that. And you know what?

You know what, Saigon? What's up? I woke up every day. I said, I woke up. Unlike you. Wake up. I wake up every day. And I'm a great person.

You are. I don't give a fuck. That's why I was excited to come. Ask everybody who's going to come. I'm like, person. You are. I don't give a fuck. That's why I was excited to come. Ask everybody who's gonna come. I'm like, yo, I'm about to see Nori, bro. Like, you don't understand. This takes me back to when I was young. Like, I got their album up north.

When CNN dropped, I was up north. So I'm hearing that shit. And niggas who knew y'all was like, son just left here. I'm like, they like. I just left here. I'm like, they like, definitely shot everybody. I'm like, I'm not gonna lie,

I was a shot shooter. He was a shooter. Yeah, I'm like, this nigga like, I'm a stabber up and off. And it's things, yeah.

These niggas got busy, so I'm like, that's just me, leave me alone, leave me alone. You're telling me that's not inspiration for a nigga who's in there and you see some niggas

who just got out of there, make it. And that's why even Mane told me that one time. He's like, nigga, we seen y'all niggas get on. He's like, we can get on. What you mean? That's my bro, man. I love Mane. I love Mane.

Mane out here right now trying to fucking get me on the boat. Shout out to Mane. Trying to get you on the boat? Yeah, because it's his birthday. Oh. I love when hood niggas come out here and celebrate.

I don't know, what was that? Somebody bumped on the door? Somebody tried to open it. Now, let's see. Let's see, let's see. Who is it? We have Murder Gardens.

Relax. No, it's probably C's. C's? We still don't. Relax. I told that nigga, he told him, Murder Gardens,

they at the hood. I said, yeah. We at the hood. We at the hood. I told that nigga that. told him, murder guard in the hood. I said, yeah. I told that nigga that. I said, we murder guard. This is legit. This is legit right here. Okay. You got to relax. You got to relax. I know you got to relax.

You got to relax. Yo, Saigon, I can't thank you more than enough, bro. I can't thank you. This has been fun. It's been rare. I'm going to be honest with you, but you you are the top three of the three niggas that came late When they told me like I named them Lamborghini to I fucked up, okay We just need to understand who he's gonna blame. By the way, we go blame her anyway Yeah, if you want to ride with it anyway, because he's our family.

But if you want to be real and be like, you know what? It was my time. Can I plug my album, man? Absolutely. We need to understand who was for you being late first. Okay. Late before the album album. I got to take partial.

If I didn't put it, I'm gonna take two. It's 98% Vinny's fault. We already knew it. We already knew it. Let's plug you out, baby. Because you understand, I was the one like, this is my shot, nigga. What if they changed their minds?

No, we love you. We never changed your life. You failed, man. You failed. Yo, yo, yo, side, side, side. Side, side, side. You failed me. I'm going to tell you something. I met Chris Smith the other day and we talked about this.

Yeah. I met Chris Smith. He said he loved you though. He should. I'm the lady. That's what I said. That's what I told him. What happened?

What happened? Because I said, yo, and it's going to probably play. He said, yo, I said, yo, I'm doing drink champs this week, so do you mind if Norrie's shit dropped first? You know what I'm saying? He go, yo, I ruined my shit. I said, well, I should have asked you before I started this interview. So he said, what you telling me? If I would have said no, you wouldn't have did it?

I said, absolutely not. I wouldn't have did this shit. That's N-O. You know what he said? I respect the honesty, son. I respect the honesty. He hit me with that. I said, no know what he said? I respect the honesty, son. I respect the honesty. He hit me with that. I said, no,

I wouldn't have did it, bro. I wouldn't have came up here. Let me just be clear with you. Y'all not in competition. Can't be. We're not. Listen. That's what I'm saying.

Come on. Just want to be clear. Like, he's got his swag. He swag. He's like the black gloves dude. I have never been in, excuse me. We have never been in competition with anybody.

Anybody. We are real hip hop. Anybody, yeah. When I say we real hip hop. My nigga, you Noriega. We've been through, no, no, no. Fuck Noriega. Nah, nigga.

You Noriega. DJ EFN, DJ for two live. That's DJ EFN. That's what I'm saying, bro. I've opened up for Nas Escobar. Nah, fuck that. Nigga, you're Noriega, nigga. That's right. Yeah, do you know

what that means to the world? And that's DJ EFN. I know, that's what I'm saying. That's EFN, bro. Everybody else, God bless you. Whatever you got. And whatever the fuck they do. Whatever the fuck they do. God bless you, whatever you got, and whatever the fuck they do. Whatever the fuck they do. God bless you.

Well, if you compare hip hop history to whoever, I'm not saying who you said, just you. Who you think, come on, man. But these are young boys, they young. They young, they young. They know better than that. He see, he knew that. He knew better, he knew better.

He knew better. He knew better than that. He knew, brother. He knew. I got you. I got it. He knew about it all. Give him credit for knowing. Give him credit for knowing. He knew. It's a little homie. It's a little homie. Yeah, he knew. He played that position.

Well, listen. When it comes to real hip-hop, real commentary, I don't care about whoever, whatever they do. Because nobody can. Public Enemy fucks with us. Yeah. And who don't fuck with you? You know. Because nobody can. Public enemy fucks with us. Yeah. And who don't fuck with you? You know. MC Lyte, they want to come to us.

Yeah. Big Daddy, everybody. I mean, this was a good one. You know who asked to come? Fabio Foreign. He asked me. It's about time. Oh, homie.

It's all right? We got you. We're going to hold you down. So I can tell them it's good? I see your belts. It's great. They knew I was coming. They say, yo.

It's fantastic. Can you ask? Thanks a lot. Yeah. So on tape. Blush. I told you I got you down. So I can tell them it's good? I see your belts. They knew I was coming, and they say, yo. It's fantastic. Can you ask? Thanks a lot. Yeah. So on tape, Bless, I told you I got you. Bless is his manager, Bramsville.

He say, yo, when you growing up, he on Nas album. You on Nas album. It's over. Say it loud. So, you hear Nas album?

Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah, nigga. My album was coming out the next week. I was shaking in my boots I was like What made this nigga Do this shit

But I kept up I kept up with him With Strange Music But my shit is a classic bro I got a song My shit is Ain't too many I got a song with G-Rap

First we did the letter P Where we did all P words I'll pop a pussy person For purposely perpetrating Point the pistol and pull it this punk is impersonating. My people pack P89s for prime time. They paroling my posse. I'm picking

up pom-poms. Personally, I preach prophecy. These punks putting out poems about pimping, pushing and property. Please, people ain't prepared to be persuaded by political prayer phrases they printing in the papers. I'm positioning my P as a pom-pom. put the pound to the pick and just let the f- I'll pause for you people to beat the letter P, poetically put in the paragraph so perfectly.

But nah, we did a new one though. We gotta do it first! We did MF. We did MF. Let's do MF. You gotta check it out.? You want to beat? You want to beat or solo? We're going to start it solo, then we're going to bring the beat in. Come on, bring it in. Come on, come on. Let's go, let's go, come on.

I'm going to start solo. You bring it, buddy. They call it MF, motherfucking metaphorical fire. Mopes fear my flow, my fashion's more flyer. Matter of fact, the masses familiar with getting mind fucked. For my family, my future, my friends, my four, five, tuck. My fault, my face, my future, my life. I'm going to do MF.

You want to beat? You want to beat? You want to solo? You want to beat? You want to solo? You want to beat? You want to beat? You want to solo? You want to beat? You want to solo? fire. Most fear my flow, my fashion's more flyer. Matter of fact the masses familiar with getting mind fucked. For my family, my future, my friends, my four, five, tuck. My fault, my face, my

favor, my father. My fearless mind frame for mama, favorite material, father. God, there we go. Fortunately, motherfuckers been sweetened. For my fate is to be more famous than Morgan Freeman. More fire making fucking microphones malfunction. When MF, I zoom, you motherfuckers moist as a muffin

Manifesting my future my- I don't know why I got- That was me, that was me A little bit of white person in me got it out of me Nigga said the white- Son of a- You went double time! Nigga said the little white-

Little white person got it out of me, I'm sorry You said I did the- That was the DNA shit? I think you're way too much money. 85, 85. Bill, hold it for me. Bill, hold it for me. Bill, hold it for me. Bill, hold it for me.

You said the whole white in me came out. That one percent. That was your Swedish shit, you know? I'm sorry, bro. Swedish, bro. That one percent of Swedish. That's the huge Swedish, boy. I got it.

One more time. One more time, son. We doing MF again? Whatever you want to do. That was G-Wrap shit. We following you, bro. Oh, where? Wherever you go.

Wherever you go, bro. Wherever you go. Oh, shit. We following you, bro. Oh, where? Wherever you go. Whatever you go, bro. Wherever you go. Oh, shit. You got something to clap to as well. You could do a... This is like the... No, no, no.

Go one more time. You killing it so much. You know how much... You know how much... When I looked, I said, you want a beat? You want a beat? You don't think you can start a beat? I love this thing.

It's not loud. It's like... It's not loud? No, we don't need no beat. All right, they don't need no beat. You don't think you can start a beat? I love this thing. It's not loud. It's not loud? No, we don't need no beat. All right,

then you don't need no beat. You don't need no beat. Just one more. Give us like 26 bars. 26 bars? Nah, just give us 48 bars. Fuck it.

Like, wrap your whole fucking album. Nah, 117 bars. We believe in you, 117 bars is good. We believe in you, I understand. This is one of the best days of my days in this music business. We got 117 bars. We believe in you, Cygaw. 117 bars is good if we out. We believe in you, Cygaw.

I understand this is one of the best days of my days in this biz music business. It's one of our best days. Nah, I'm dead ass. And we believe in you, Cygaw. I'm dead ass, my nigga. But we're going to also make you rock. I'm a Nori super fan, my nigga.

Come on, where's your drink at? Let's do it. We love you, bro. I'm a super Nori fan. We love you, bro. How many times I said that on the way here? I said this is. We love you, bro.

I've been telling Vinny all night. I said, nah, this ain't just drink shams and shit. Come on, give us 28. Let's do it. I'm a Nord. You understand? Let's go, South Carolina. Let's go, South Carolina.

Come on, South. Let's go, South Carolina. Let's go, South Carolina. Let's go, South Carolina. Uh, uh, uh. Yo, I fuck with Lil Bibi, but Lil Pump is a little chump. I body Lil Yachty and give him some Lil Lumps. Probably just because I'm older and got me a little grump.

So when the kids get in the Rover, a little yachty gives them some bumps. A little dirt putting in work. The fuck is a little perp? I went through his face and slapped the shit out that little smirk. A little boozy told a little Uzi, take off that little skirt. Something was still chilling. This filler just got a little hurt. A little Zan keep a little gram in his little hand.

That kid be high as that dipset bird Worked to kill a can, Lil' Fizz fizzled out He was hot for a lil' bit Me and Lil' Fame had a lil' beef over Lil' Shit You wanna get into that story? Keep rhymin', I like it M.O.P. beef too Oh fuck, I'm in

Nah, cause Fame gonna be like How could you nigga? We had a pact. You had a pact after the beat? But that rhyme was crazy. You don't want to finish that rhyme? I'm just spending shit for the album. That's hard. I feel like you should have finished the whole rhyme.

I'm letting niggas go. You want me to spend the whole rhyme? You got to get my time. Just the whole album. Just the whole album. You know what I'm saying? To hear the rest of that shit, go get the triple seven. You killed that.

You killed that. But what happened when you were Lil' Fame? What happened? We made a song and we didn't like it, and we decided to box over it. You fought Lil' Fame? Yeah. I always challenge niggas to a—I challenge you to a duel. Lil' Fame can fight.

Let me—please tell me he can fight. Because I feel like he can fight. He can fight. Nigga punched him in my face for no reason. That was wrong. Obviously, there was a reason. I had no idea where you was going.

Did it end there? Nah, man. You M.O.P. matchup posse. Y'all fought. You can't say you fought for the M.O.P. matchup posse. Billy is my... Fame is my nigga. That's my brother. This is a thing. Brothers fight. I feel like I'm gonna disobey this fight again. No, I told you, what did I say early on?

It was my, it got to the point everybody was like, we thought you was scared of the nigga. I'm the, I'm pleasing. So I'll the blue. I'm the pleasing. You say, I'll leave my verse, they say, I don't like your verse, that's what I mean. They said they ain't like,

they said they punched you in the face. No, you punched was my song and i wanted them on it no he punched me in the face and you said i was like yours no he because i it was a money thing and i i thought he thought i you know it's shout out to little fame man because it's hard to talk about it's hard to talk about your brother even though it's real. But he punched me. The thing I don't like about the situation is he punched me in the face for no reason. You said you changed your verse? No. I changed the reason why he should have never punched me in the face.

It was over money. He said it was over money. I let him understand I'm not the right nigga to punch in the face. Put it like that. Y'all squared up. Yeah, we squared up. We let him understand I'm not the right nigga to punch in the face. Put it like that. Y'all squared up. I'm very confused. Yeah, we squared up. We squared up.

I'm being honest. I'm very confused. All right. Because, you know. He jumped on the record. No. All right. Check it out.

I had an idea. It was the beat was like 70,000 beats per minute. It was the fastest shit in the world. It was EDM. It was EDM. It was EDM. And my idea was called EDMOP. So I'm like, yo, I got this idea, EDMOP, where y'all niggas is rapping. The record came out crazy to me.

To me, I still want it. What, the record never came out? It never came out? I never put it out because. Can we hear it? I could play it for you. I could play it for y'all. All right, but let's finish the story first.

Okay. And then play the record. We gotta hear the record. Fire is fire to me. Oh, let's go. To me, it's super fire. Maybe I'm delusional. No, no, I feel like it's fire. Fame went crazy. We never heard this story. Let me tell you, this story never came out. Ever. Let's go.

Ever, ever, ever. Let's go, Si. This is super exclusive. Let's go. So, me and Fame did a lot of records. Fame is like one of my closest friends in the business, in the music business. Like not in the street, but in the music shit. I love Fame. My friends love Fame. Like we all fuck with each other.

So me and him never charged each other for records. So we did a lot of records with each other, Static and all that shit. And we don't charge each other. So when I had an idea, I never really dealt with Billy. I don't know Billy. I know Fame. Me and Fame got like six, seven records together. I never fucked with him.

But with EDMOP, it ain't MOP without Billy. So I go. It has to be both of them. Yeah, it got to be both of them. So I go to him, I go, I got this idea. It's called EDMOP you think you can get Billy on it

he was like yeah hell yeah so I say yo I got a band for y'all listen to this a band for y'all a thousand dollars for

now me and me and Fame don't charge each other for records I got a band for y'all to do it on a record and that's and he said fuck the money nah I can't just be freeloading and shit I got a band for y'all to do it on a record. And he said, fuck the money.

Nah, I can't just be freeloading and shit. It ain't a lot, but it's something. At least in the studio, whatever. Whatever you do that for, you can blunt, whatever the fuck. It's fine. To me, it's fine hours apiece. So while the record is being created I'm fucking me and Billy is going

back and forth with getting the record done he's being more like responsive than fame at the time so once the record's done I just send Billy the thousand dollars and say yo I see where this is going I sent Billy the thousand dollars and was like yo thank I sent Billy $1,000

and was like, yo, thank y'all. I love it. I didn't know how they felt about it at the time. So, fame felt like, yo, where's my $1,000?

I was like, no, I said I had a band for y'all. That's $1,000, 500 apiece. First of all, we don't even charge each other for rent. I would never charge you. And you called me to do a verse.

I'm not charging you. He didn't even ask. I offered the money. Know what I'm saying? I offered it. So then that turned into, because I sent the $1,000 to Billy, and I don't know,

I guess Billy kept it. I don't know Billy, because he was like, yo, you sent Billy his band. Where's my $1,000 to Billy, and I don't know, I guess Billy kept it. I don't know Billy, because he was like, yo, you sent Billy his band, where's my $1,000? I said, nah, I sent him that because me and him was talking every day, and I wanted to get that out the way. So after that, it was like, I'm like, bro, but then I come like, yo, I'll give you $1,000, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't, but he want, it seemed like he wanted it to be a problem, because I came, I said like, yo, my nigga, I'll pay you. How can I make this right? Because I'm not, this is what I told him. I'm not even going to use the record because y'all not championing this shit. If y'all don't champion, if I do a record with you, Nori, and you don't love it, I'm not going to put it out, my nigga.

I could love it. I love that EDMOP shit. I loved it. Them niggas was on the fence with it. So I was like, if y'all on the fence with it. So I was like, if y'all on the fence with it, this is y'all brand. Y'all got a way bigger brand

than Saigon. So I'm not going to put it out, even though I'm out of $1,000. But fame was whole shit. Like, you owe me $1,000 too. And I'm like, fame, why you treating me like, you not treating me

like your brother right now? I'm like, fame. You had a relationship with fame? Yeah. Fame is my nigga. This is why I won't go into details about the physical. you're not treating me like your brother right now. I'm like, you had a relationship with Fame? Yeah, Fame's my nigga. This is why I won't go into details about the physical.

We gotta hear the record though. I'm not gonna say what happened in the fight, but I'm just gonna let you know that we said the record, but you wanted to say the fight,

and I respected that. Nah, I don't wanna talk about the fight. You brought up the fight. We said record. And I just told you you punched me in the face.

You thought the nigga punched me and that was it? You thought that was that way, isn't it? Definitely forgot that part. We said record. And I just told you you punched me in the face. You thought the nigga punched me and that was it? You thought that was that way, isn't it? Definitely forgot that part. Yeah, yeah. I just told you you punched me in my face.

Brownsville, bro. It's Brownsville. Nigga, Mike Tyson can't punch me in the face without repercussion. Jesus. I don't give a fuck. You punched me in the face.

So famed. Yeah, you punched me in the face. And Brownsville, that's not Brownsville. That's Flatbush? I feel like it's Flatbush. It's Brownsville. Brownsville? What, where it happened? Where? It happened in the face. And Brownsville, that's not Brownsville. That's Flatbush? I feel like it's Flatbush. It's Brownsville. Brownsville.

What, where it happened? Where? It happened in downtown Brooklyn. Downtown Brooklyn. Indeed. Right? Downtown Brooklyn. Coogee Rap was there.

Bernadette. Sean Price's wife. Coogee Rap had just slid off before he punched me. Coogee, because we, I brought these niggas to my man. Like, it's, see, this is, we should have started, it's a lot, man. I need a five hour to get into all my shit, bro. We just need to finish this part.

I'm being honest. You have to finish this part. Okay. The guy, he comes up to you and swings you. Bro, the whole night, he's,

first, I apologize. I said, bro, if it was a miscommunication, how can I make it right? Can I pay you $1,000? Nah, it ain't about the money. You're talking to fame.

Yeah. Right. It ain't about the money, man. So I'm like, what is it about? I said, I'm not using a record. I'm already out of $1,000. I can't recoup that because no record's coming out. How can we make this right?

And he goes, don't even worry about it, man. So I'm like, we good? He's like, yeah, nigga, we good. Ten minutes later, this nigga sogged on me on some sucker shit. He said that in front of you? In front of everybody. He said it ten times. Everybody came to me and was like, yo, we thought you was scared of the nigga.

I ain't gonna lie. Him and Coochie Rat was there. I tried to take a selfie of us. Nigga smacked my hand. I was like, wow. And if that was anybody else in the whole entire world, my nigga. Was it Fame, smacking? Fame smacked my hand down.

And that's when I was like, what did I? I didn't do nothing wrong to this. This is the good guys. I'm over, I guess you could over-respect a nigga. Nigga was smacking my hand, and this is why I would talk about it, because he did this. So he can't look at it and be like, yo, nigga, nigga up here, you did this, and you wrong. You was wrong for that, and we supposed to be brothers and shit. And nigga was, the whole day, Brady's here right now,

the whole day nigga was treating me like shit. I bought everybody to eat at my man's spot in Brooklyn who owns the spot. We ate probably $2,000 worth of food for free. Drinks, food, everything for free. And the nigga still was just awesome. So when we finally got to leave, the nigga just said the wrong thing. And he said, yo, the nigga Saigon's on this nigga. So I'm like, I'm dapping up everybody, like, yo, peace, man. He's like, Saigon, you be on something.

You got to get off that bitch shit. So I said, my nigga, never put my name and bitch in the same sentence again in your life. So he's like, what? I said, you heard, don't put my name and bitch in a sentence again in your life, my nigga. He's like, you acting like you want to fight. I said, you want to fight? So when I'm going to take off my shit, nigga, punch me in the face, and the rest

is drink champs instead. I'm not going to tell you. You get him up here and ask him what happened after that. And we talking about who punched you in the face? Lil Fame. Lil Fame. Lil Fame. But you get him up here and be like,

I heard about, what happened? But we got you here, bro. What happened? Well, I can't tell you what happened after that because then I'll be going against the code. I'll just tell you, I never got punched. That's probably the third or fourth time in my life a nigga punched me in my face in 40 years, my nigga.

Where a nigga punched me in my face. Lil' Fame. Lil' Fame. For no reason, my nigga. No reason. Are you sure you don't want to address? What happened after that?

Yeah, I think you should address it because Lil Fame, he's going to address everything. No, he won't. He won't say what happened. I said, then let's just...

He won't say what happened after that. Let's say what happened. Put it like this, man. I don't take too kindly to a nigga putting his hand on me and if a nigga put his hands on me it's gonna be repercussions and there's gonna be some damage done that's it's Brownsville shit all day and and look at me like when

Brownsville I'm a Brownsville transplant I'm not up here like Brownsville I don't do that in every song I probably said Brownsville transplant. I'm not up here like, Brownsville! I don't do that in every song. I probably said Brownsville in one song in my career because I lived in Brownsville for four years, three and a half years of my life. I lived in Bed-Stuy, Flatbush. I'm just Brooklyn,

you know what I'm saying? But Brownsville is where I got my bones. I ain't gonna lie. That's where I learned to ride freight trains and yak chains and walk up on niggas

and be like, you snuffed my little brother. He'd be like, what? If you had them chains in Ville, I'd walk up on youiggas and be like, you snuffed my little brother. He'd be like, what? Like, have you had them chains in Ville? I walk up on you like, why you slap my sister? You're like, what you talking about? I snatched the chain. Then you take it, and it was a joke.

That's the shit we was doing in the Ville. And so, but I lived all over, fuck. So I'm not one of them niggas that depend on a place to make me tough. A lot of niggas who talk Brownsville, Brooklyn, they was pussy. You ain't what made Brooklyn tough. You coattailing. Because Floyd Mayweather, I'm not Floyd Mayweather. Mike Tyson is from Brownsville.

Yeah, he made Brownsville tough. Shannon Briggs is from Brownsville. Shannon Briggs, Riddick Bowe. Riddick Bowe. Riddick Bowe is from the Ville. And then Smith and West. Even Zap Judas from the Vail. Zap Judas.

All these niggas from Browns, yeah. But that's not, yeah, Smith and West. Smith and West, Trigger the Gambler. Yeah, that's family, bro. This guy right here, you ever see that? Do you mind if I talk about Blue? You don't see that Michael Jackson van that is the staple of Brownsville with the bit with the big Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston logos on the

side that goes down mother gas and it's stone at well mother is the same from Belmont and you know and and fucking Rockaway all every fucking day that's blue that's his father this is my this, this is my, one of my best, this probably is my best friend in the world, Brady Cash. I hate him sometimes, but I love him to death because we grew up together. So, I love him to death, I'll die for this guy. He'll die for me.

So, you know what I'm saying? We fight all the time about the smallest shit. Today we almost had a fight over two chicken fingers. Two chicken fingers. Oh, really? That was a terrible fight. She's like, y'all told me y'all didn't eat. Yes, we did.

We busted, y'all. Make some noise for that. We had chicken fingers. I yell out. Two chicken fingers. Let's look at Vinny Lambino. Let's get some chicken fingers. I had a fight with two chicken fingers,

and I didn't even get one. Vinny Lamborghini. Lamborghini said we're getting chicken fingers whether she likes it or not. Yo, Vinny, where's the Uber Eats? Listen, I was texting you. Yeah, because we left for a telly. This is why we're late.

And we're about to get in the... No, let's go. Let's forget it. Move right along. I like the way y'all are late. Good day to you, Gigi. Me too. Yo, Saigon. I'm not going y'all are playing. Me too. Yo, I'm not gonna lie.

Take a picture, B. Let's get out of here. We going to the motherfucking Italian restaurant. We got some chicken. Vinny Lambino. Let's do it. She's hungry. Yo, this guy's really...

You're an Off the Camera girl, right? I'm sorry, I guy's really... You're an office camera girl, right? I'm sorry. I'm not sure if you're an office camera girl or an inner camera girl. She's an artist. Her name is Danielle Black. An artist? Yeah, she can get on the camera.

Why is she not over there? You can put on... Come on, come over here. Come on, come on. Look at you, Italian, right? Italian, Puerto Rican. They're going to tell you you're Italian. All right.

Every time you talk, it sounds like a Lemmy icing game. It's fucking phenomenal. What's going on? No, no, I'm good. You're good. I'm great, I'm great, I'm great. You're good? Let's go. No, no, no. I'm good.

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