Drink Champs - Episode 255 w/ Cam’ron

Episode Date: April 2, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with the legendary Cam’ron! One of the most requested interviews in Drink Champs history, we finally give Cam’ron his flowers. 💐 Cam shares stories of freestylin’ for The Notorious B.I.G., working w/ Big L and signing his first record deal w/ Untertainment Records.Cam talks about his past issues with Mase, Nas & Jay Z, signing to Roc-a-fella Records, acting in the classic film “Paid In Full” and much more!As the leader of one of hip-hops most influential groups ever, The Diplomats, Cam shares their origin story and how Dipset rose to hip-hop royalty! Freekey Zekey also joins the conversation!Make some noise!!! 🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Revisionist History on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Drink Champs, a production of the Black Effect and iHeartRadio. And it's Drink Champats motherfucking podcast. Make some noise. He's a legendary Queens rapper. Hey, hey, it's your boy N.O.R.E.

He's a Miami hip-hop pioneer. One of his DJ EFN. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players. You know what I mean? In the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And your number one source for drunk facts. It's Drink Chats motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New for drunk facts. It's Drink Champs motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New Year's Eve.

Listen, it's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hopefully, it's where it should be. This is your boy, N-A-O-N-A-A. What up? It's DJ E-F-N. And this is Drink Champs motherfucking.

Y'all be y'all. Make some noise! Now, right now, when I tell you this is probably the most requested guest in Drink Champ's history, the man is one of the most efficient hustlers in this game. When I first met this brother, they were doing cartwheels. And he had everybody, grown-ass people from the record label, doing cartwheels.

On the cement. Not like in an Olympic gym or some shit. Cement. This brother is influential. If he says wear pink, then goddammit, motherfuckers is going to wear pink. He's put on people a luxurious career, made one of the illest movies on his own and major and independent.

He's still out here. He's fucking his neighbor right now. I love it. I think that's the name of his show. I think that's the name of his show. I think that's the name of his show. Fucking my neighbor. You know what I'm saying?

Different nationalities, too. Just change up the neighbor. But keep fucking the neighbor, man. This man, like I said, is influential. He's put on other people

the likes of Jim Jones, Jewel Santana, you know, Freaky Zeke. These guys have changed the world. When Dipset ran shit, New York was New York. Mixtape game over. Came over, took over The Rock.

We're going to ask about all that. Biggie Smalls, I spoke to him the other day. He said that was one of Biggie's last requests was to make sure Cam'ron gets a deal. So in case y'all don't understand who the hell I'm introducing, we introducing killer Motherfucking Cam Robbins! Let me spray some creed,

man. I don't even know. That shit got real. Spray some creed in there. You know what I'm saying? Killer Motherfucking Cam! What up, bro? I can't tell you how proud I am to get you. Listen, I'm going to be honest. Your fans and our fans are foul niggas. Like, I can't even take a picture with you.

As soon as I take a picture with you, yo, where the fuck is Dream Chats? Where the fuck is this Dream Chats? So, me and you spoke the other day. I think we was having lunch. I think this is when we started. And you said, yo, man. You said, Duke told me I owe it for the culture.

Yeah, niggas on my gram saying I need to do it for the culture, man. And my comments and all that. So I'm happy we can make it happen, man. Goddamn, let's make some noise for that. But this is ill, right? When everybody's top five, when a person speaks about a person's top five, and Big just is repeatedly a part of that conversation.

And when you know that that was one of Big's last requests, was to make sure that you got a deal. Because you wrote Crush on you? For Lil' C's part, not Lil' Kim's part. Like, if you listen to the album version, Lil' C's is by itself. I guess they couldn't get Lil' Kim in the studio or whatever. You got to ask Un that. But for Lil' C's part, yeah, I wrote that.

Right. So how was that? Like, you got the call from Unn? Now, what happened is they wanted Mase to write like six songs for Kim or C's or whoever. So they paid him $30,000 for like five songs, and he gave me $5,000 for one of them. And Crush On You was the joint. So Mase learned it, went in there and did it. After it came out, went platinum, then I was like, I did it. I wanted my did it after it came out went platinum that I was like I did it

I wanted my shot That's how that went but they paid mates to write some song for me makes came to me to get it. So let me ask you I Know this is like pushing the story for the long but big all of a sudden dies to big you met big Yeah, and so what was that? It's changed like um Mace took me to Biggs house because I guess Big was looking for artists. I got to his crib. He had two bitches. His leg was broke.

I think he's in a car accident. He had two bitches in the bed. Sounds like a Biggie rhyme. Yeah, yeah. He just was like, yo, man. He wanted to sign another kid that Mace bought them. And Mace was like, nah, Cam is the dude. Cam really got it.

So he was KFC kind of? Yeah, yeah, definitely. So he put on like 15 beats. Every beat he put on, I rapped to it. I used to have mad raps in my pocket, written raps, no phone raps. So I just rapped every beat. And he's like, that's enough. I want to sign you.

Then he called Un. Un was like, Bet, let's do the deal. So then he passed away, and they happened to be shooting the Always Love Big Papa video in Harlem. That was my question, because back in the days, if someone passed away, like, you know, we didn't have like, communication like how we, we didn't have Instagram, so how, after he passed away,

how did you get in? Yeah, see, in Harlem, after he passed away, how did you get in? Yeah, I seen in Harlem at the Always Love Big Papa video shoot, and I stepped to him, I'm like, yo, I'm the dude big one to sign, dah, dah, dah, dah. He's like, nah, I'm in the middle of a finish up a deal with Epic, and as soon as I do, I'ma give you the deal, and that's how it went, just like that. Just ran down on him, like, what we doing?

Wow, goddammit, goddammit, make some noise for that. Goddam it. I think one of the verses that, you kicked the verse for one of my old mixes. Do you have it set up? You have it in your face? And I brought the freestyle. You told me that this was a verse you kicked for big.

Okay. I don't know if it's... I told you that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you did a freestyle for him. Okay. I can't share a bottle of rose with you. I can give you your own bottle, bro.

Oh, thank you, man. I can give you your own bottle, baby. Come on. It's like we're in a Grammy here, man. You know what I'm saying? We're in a bottle of rose. You got it? You got it?

Has it or not? Okay, go on. You got it? Hey, yo, check this out. This is Killer Cam, B. I'm into a lot of money with a lot of thugs and a lot of drugs, you know what I'm saying? And I might slap the shit out with one of y'all bitch ass niggas. Part me for stunnin' when you f***ing had it. You know what I'm saying? But right now, I'm with that might slap the shit out with one of y'all bitch ass niggas party for stunning We've got them saying but right now with my day at EFA here about the place of exclusive shit

So back the fuck up our face if you ain't talking about no cheesecake Just check the city Asian that can is laced in mad obligation face the cultivation Cassack strangely, but don't change me cause pay my own team more so they could blame me FBI framed me, inside the blue three, laced me with two keys Gucci and movies, and me playing group B, hoochies and doobies Even got the coat that I, Tris and my Lucy Got to make arrangements, before arraignment Same ones that's here, ain't the same ones I came with But ain't no repentance, before I'm sentenced

Just got to catch that girl that I was friends with Seems she was thieving my keys for money reasons Flight 23, Eastern, leaving the region Her name was Nadia Took a cab straight to LaGuardia Caught her at the check-in, body up Killer King I don't remember it, but yeah, nah

That's what you told me that day I don't even remember that rhyme You don't remember it? Nah I ain't gonna lie, I be listening to shit like that I don't remember shit like that Nah, nah, I don't remember Yeah, rhyme. You don't remember it? Nah. I ain't gonna lie. I be listening to shit like that. I don't remember shit like that. Nah, nah, I don't remember.

I don't even remember. But that rhyme is too good for you to remember. And you spit it perfectly. What? One take. What, at Big House or like that? No, no, no. I'm saying when you spit it for me.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll be on there like that. Yeah. One take, boys, man. So let's get to 29C. What the fuck is going on with 29C? She's your stalker, but you kind of like stalking, I think. Take boys man, so let's get to 29 see what the fuck is going on with 29 C She's just talk about you kind of like stalking. I think I mean listen man. It's all it's all

It's all proof case shit go left You gotta tape all that shit you know when it might first of all isn't the complexion for the connections on our side So you never know when shit gonna go right or wrong, but you know, I'm single, I'm having fun. That's what it's about. But this is what I gotta, so I gotta get in your business a little bit. What was the first, what was part one? I didn't see part one, I seen part three, four.

She DM'ed me, she DM'ed me, I was in my DM's and she was taping me from her terrace. So when she was taping me, I just posted it cause she's like, she wanna have my black baby. So I thought that was funny. I think that's funny too. Yeah, yeah. I thought that was funny. Then after that's funny too. I thought that was funny.

Then after that, you know, we stay in a building by the beach. We went to the beach and like and I'm not trying, you know, it's a lot of sly niggas in here so I don't want to be too much info but I'm not really into like love. I'll beat bitches up when I have sex with them. Not bad because they want that. They got to want it. They want

that. So I'm real aggressive. That was part three. Then part four, I don't feel like I'm obligated because I'm not in a relationship. And, you know, that's where we at right now. And then part five, I seen you in two Gs. Where was y'all at last night? That was turning up.

Yeah, yeah, we was in Fort Lauderdale. No, we was in Broward County. It wasn't all the way in Fort Lauderdale. But, yeah, it was random. That doesn't look like a playhouse. That doesn't look like Playhouse. That ain't look like Playhouse to me. I don't like to say the spots I go to like that. But, yeah, we was in Broward County.

We was having fun. I got a little fun last night. We had a great time last night, actually. So, let me ask you. Did 29C pull up or you pulled up with 29C? 29C was in there. She was in there? She was in there.

I don't know if it was random or what, or if she followed the car, what happened, but we had a good time last night. We on good terms right now. Okay. We on great terms. Okay, good. She was running down on you at one point.

This is wild. I'm taking this. What's going on? What's been going on since fucking 8 this morning? What's been going on since 8 this morning? Yo, yo, you can't do this, yo. You can't do this. What do you mean?

Open the door. What's going on? No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to call security, yo. I'm going to call security. Yo, yo, yo, why? First of all, why are you calling me and you're outside the door yo

yo it's crazy I gotta do this all day see look it's this one I'm talking about right here. Nope. Nope. I'm getting an order of protection, yo. I'm telling you right there. I'm getting an order. Yeah, that was one day. I taped it. I got more footage of that, but, you know. Let's make some noise for you fucking your neighbor. I taped it. I got more footage of that, but, you know, it's a time to pay for that. Let's make some noise

if you're fucking your neighbor. Shit don't get louder than that, man. Shit don't get louder than that. Okay, so moving around. Boom. You remember the first time me and you met? I remember the first time

I seen you. I don't think we actually met. I was telling, you know, we was talking the other day and I was like, yo, first time I seen you,

I believe it was in D&D Studios. And you was just, man, hyperactive on the elevator, talking like, yo, Left Rack is high rack, high rack's Left Rack, da da da. Going crazy, and I'm like, I'm on the elevator, like yo, what's going on? Because I don't really know what Left Rack is. I'm from Harlem, I'm like, this dude's crazy.

He's like, yo, what's your name? I'm like, Cam. He's like, oh, what's up, I'm Noriega, from Left Rack. Da da da, and I'm like, yo, it crazy. He's like, yo, what's your name? I'm like, Ken. He's like, oh, what's up? I'm Noriega from Left Rap. Da, da, da. I'm like, it's good to meet you, man. So I don't know if that was like a formal introduction, but I remember that. I remember with that, but our formal real first time, like chilling, was the clue take. Okay.

Now I remember that clearly. A hundred percent. Definitely. That was a great, great, that's legendary. I love it. Now I remember was a great, that was a great, great, that's legendary, I love it. Now I remember that. Yeah, that was a great session. That was, that was like our first introduction,

because I believe y'all was supposed to do the clue tape, and we were supposed to do clue tape. And I think we either came early or came late, or y'all must have came late. I think we came late. Yeah, we came late. You said you were Pone and who's here? It was me, Pone.

No, no, Pone was in jail. It was me and Traz. OK. We're supposed to do it. Iman wasn't really a rapper. And that's why, if you notice, Mase calls him Armani Thug on the joint. He doesn't say Iman Thug, because he didn't really

know his name. And the crazy shit is, if you really listen to the freestyle, Traz didn't know. He thought that they were the Lox. So he says it, and he goes, big up to the Lox. It's like know, he thought that they were the locks. So he says it to Eddie, he goes, big up to the locks. It's like, this is a mess. We didn't know each other. And then the stardom came. This was the first freestyle. And that shit stuck New York up.

Yeah, that's a fact. You had a lot of mixtapes. You had Ron G, you had S&S, but when Clue started doing them tapes, you know, it was a big deal to be on his tape. I remember listening to, like, Nas and Jungle and Jay-Z and Source Money and a bunch of different people. So to get on Clue tape, you had to take advantage of that situation.

You know what I'm saying? So we already knew what we was going there to do no matter who was there. It didn't matter if fucking the best rapper in the world was there, we knew what we was coming to do. And y'all killed it too. Right, y'all did. That was our first introduction. And I believe our relationship started from there. But moving on, I was watching, because when I do these interviews, I like to go and do my little research. So one thing that I noticed for the past couple of years in your performance,

in your performance, you don't do none of your old shit. You don't do like horse and carriage or what mean the world to you and shit like that. Is there a reason for that? I'll do what mean the world to you. I really wouldn't do horse and carriage because even though that album was dope, everybody likes Confessions of Fire, it's not 100% mine. Like, I wrote everything and, you know, did everything, but Unn had a lot of say on that.

You know what I'm saying? Like, Unn is a creative dude, and I'm a creative dude, but if you in a car, it's only one steering wheel, only one person can drive. So we classed heads a lot, and not in a bad way, just creatively, but you gotta realize, from they point of view, I signed my deal in September of 1997, something like that, 90, that 90 November whenever but Biggie died in March, so

They live with big that's they man everything I did got compared to big Like yo big woulda did it like this a big would did like that because that's his crew and I'm like, I'm not from Brooklyn I'm not big. It's only one big, you know, you gotta let me be myself So a lot of that Confessions of Fire album It was clashing And I don't really Listen to that shit That much

A lot of people love it But I don't really It's not me So when you start Getting the SDE Come home with me Diplomat shit Rock and fuck

Drugs and entertainment Yeah All that shit is mine That's what I did The first album It was like A collaboration I'm not saying it's bad, but I didn't feel comfortable.

Yeah, everybody's first album is like that. I'm sure if you tell Nas and Jay and all these greats, their first album is a collab too because you're learning the game. Right. But I was interested to hear you say that. Yeah, I just don't fuck with that album like that. I love it. I'm not mad at it, but I wasn't comfortable in my skin doing that album.

That was too much. Yo, Big would have said this. Like every session. Wow. It skin doing that album that was too much yo Big would have said this like every session it's like if Biggie was here Big you know what I'm saying then you can't even knock them because they still mourning really you know what I'm saying like he was like the biggest rapper right exactly you know what I'm saying so it is what it is but I don't really perform none of that shit because I don't really consider that a hundred percent my music So what's your favorite album speaking of that? Um, I Like purple haze I was in a good zone when purple haze came out. I was in a great rhythm You know I'm saying that's probably my favorite joint. I like rock well come home with me

That's right When we got the Rockefeller like we got a bunch of see what you gotta realize we have a lot of mixtapes soon Yeah, you know I'm saying a bunch of mixtapes. that we put out. You know what I'm saying? A bunch of mixtapes. But if I had to pick my favorite album, I'd say it's Purple Haze. You felt, and that was the time when you felt that it was all you? Yeah, nah, from SDE on. From SDE on it was all me, but I just was in a- Did the NBA try to sue you for SDE?

Because didn't you have like the NBA logo with crack in it? What did you do? It was a basketball and a gun. Yeah, basketball and a gun. Yeah, we had the posters up for that shit. They didn't really sue it. They just made us take it down. There wasn't no big lawsuit or none of that shit.

But they wouldn't let us advertise using the NBA logo with a gun. This was an idea at the time. You know what I'm saying? But SD on to today, everything I felt is what I wanted to do. Ain't nothing worse than, I I won't go but to me I felt I was a platinum artist in my brain. You know I'm saying so to me It's nothing worse Than not Succeeding when it's not your idea. So like if I'm a feel let it be my shit

I'm gonna feel doing what I want to do. I don't want to feel doing your idea. And that's how I feel about shit. That's how I felt about Confessions of Fire album. But here's the deal. Boom. You're dealing with this one ego on this one side. You feel like you're going to get out of this deal. And then you get with this other ego that worked, at least for that time. What you talking about exactly?

They dashed. Oh. You want to throw down the old woman? They can't. Right? Because, I mean, what kind of,

because, like, I'm imagining, I'm imagining leaving from un, you saying to yourself, okay, it was a clash. You don't want to go

through that again. Not a bad clash. Yeah, I mean, it was like me and Trash. Me and Trash, we clashed. Big opinions. Some would say it was a clash. You don't want to go through that. Not a bad clash Yeah, I mean, it was like me and Trash, me and Trash, we clashed Yeah, big opinions. Some would say it was a good clash, some would say it was a bad clash and I had to do the same thing Right, but with you you the hottest fucking label happened to be, yeah man, I think y'all from, y'all were all from Harlem. Yeah, and

Then you could go to the Rock. Is there any of that that you just dealt with? With Dane? Yeah, with Dane. Nah, what happened with Dane was this. So when I left entertainment, I got to Sony, to Epic directly because they got to keep whatever artists,

they un-lost this deal. And whatever artists they want to take from his label they got the key so when i got the epic i ain't really i'm starting to learn the game i didn't really know the game in entertainment you know i got a deal i'm signed on 50 my publishing not knowing i knew but i didn't give a i just wanted bread did you get bread for the um 50 of your problems yeah they gave me bread but i signed my city where i Did you get bread for the 50% of your policy? Yeah, they gave me bread, but... I signed my shit away. I didn't get bread. Yeah, but it was not the bread you're supposed to get.

How old were you when you signed that first deal with Unn? 21, 20, 21. It sounds about right. Yeah, so, um... when I got to Epic, you know, shit moving slow. You know, it's like corporate, so there's a girl there who was cool with me. And she started schooling me to what niggas wasn't doing.

Like, the records wasn't getting spent in certain states, motherfucking promotion wasn't going right, and she's like, that nigga run promotion, that nigga run your marketing, that nigga do X, Y, Z. In Epic. In Epic. Because I'm going up there seeing what's up, and she's like, look, you're not getting no spends there Seeing what's up And she's like Look you're not getting No spins here

You're not getting No spins here You're not getting No spins here You're not doing this This nigga run Your marketing It's no marketing dollars

Being spent But you know He got a brand new car outside So I'm like I'm like What's niggas doing With the money You know what I'm saying

So I'm learning all this shit She's telling me all this So now I'm like Niggas trying to play me So Me and Dame had a fallout I used to rock with Dame now I'm like, nigga's trying to play me. So me and Dame had a fallout. I used to rock with Dame

when I was young. You know, I used to do shit for him. You know what I'm saying? We don't know how to be specific about what. But I used to run around and do shit for Dame.

You know what I'm saying? So we fell out when I was young. He was just getting his deal. I was just trying to get my deal. But that's my man since I was 13 years old.

You know what I'm saying? So I already know his ego, ain't no problem. Now I'm seeing what's going on at Sony, and I'm like, Rockefeller's on top of the world, and I know Dame got other distribution besides Deftium. He had Elektra, he had Atlantic, he had mad distribution. So I was like, I got to swallow my pride and go talk to my man, because I'm like,

yo, I took mad risk for you, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, you could at least,'m like, yo, I took mad risk for you, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can at least. He's like, yo, you like Cam? Ain't no big deal, you know. You get out the deal, I'll give you one of my distributions. So I'm like, all right, bet.

He said, if you get out the deal. Yeah, like, yeah. So I'm like, yo, bet. So now I'm just going to Epic every day with like 40 niggas and making them mad uncomfortable. Like, I'm like 40 niggas and making them mad uncomfortable. I'm like, niggas is running up people's cubicles, eating their lunch. You know, we're going to Dane McPhier's office, taking his calls to the point where it's like

mad undercover cops in Epic every day because I was going every day with 40 niggas. My nigga Luke Albradi, Taliban, it was like 40 of us going every day. So then niggas was just like, this began becoming a headache. So Dame came up and talked to Dame and Fist, and he's like, yo, this is not going to stop. You might as well let him out. So he eventually let me out.

And when I got to Rockefeller, I told Dame, I said, yo, I don't know if I want to come to Rockefeller. You got other distribution with Elektra and whoever else. Maybe we should take it over there because I know what I'm coming with. I already know the game now. I just got jerked. I'm not going to get jerked again. But I knew Dane wasn't trying to jerk me anyway because now you got a record label that's popping and you got my man who's trying to teach me instead of rob me.

So when that happened, I came up to Rockefeller. He's like, nah, it's going to be cool in Rockefeller. I'm telling you, everything is straight. We're going to be good. And when we got there, we just fucked up at Epic. We just turned into animals and went crazy up there and just put music out. Because it seemed like. But to answer your question, no, I ain't have no problem with Dame.

You know what Dame told me? Dame told me this. Dame said look Everybody love you Harlem you didn't nigga up there. This is what we gonna do We gonna give you opportunity to do album if it don't work, you know, at least you got a job here You can't some phones and shit, you know I'm saying He was dead serious I wasn't joking but that's real shit, though. You know what I'm saying? That he was still willing to give me a job

if this shit ain't go right. Okay, let me ask you a question. Is it a fair assessment to say that once you became Rockefeller, you became a superstar? I don't like to use... I think that's for public to decide if you a superstar, megastar, whatever. A star period

Yeah I just think I became more recognizable In the household name Household name Yeah absolutely And niggas start paying attention To more of what I was doing And it was like

This is what I want to do anyway You know I want to bring My niggas in And you know Start a crew And have artists Etc etc You know what I'm saying

Like It's like I don't know if you've ever seen The Wu-Tang series. Of course. The one that Dave East is acting in? Yeah. Or all the documentary?

No, the one Dave East is acting in. It's a great series. They didn't even get to the rap part yet after season one, but at the same time, I consider that shit my story, kind of like RZA's story. He had the label, we had to put out the fucking single

he didn't want to put out. Then we got out the fucking deal. He started putting together all the shit that he wanted to do. You know what I'm saying? So to me, that's kind of the same scenario. Because it's this famous line, like Jewel said, one time for,

for taking over the rock. It seemed like everything was different from that moment on. Outside looking in, even though, even though like, I've known you damn near 20 years, since 1997. Right. everything was different from that moment on. Outside looking in, even though, even though like, I've known you damn near 20 years,

since 1997. Right. Outside looking in, I thought everything was sweet. I thought y'all niggas went there, really took it over, but I didn't think you had no problems. I didn't think none of this.

Then, that line actually says, and then, everything kind of changed. I think Karen Sibble said it was over a parking spot and all this shit. Do you think,

I know I'm asking you two, more questions than one. Karen Sibble don't know what the fuck she be talking about sometimes. She got to chill the fuck out. She just be trying to get clout for her shit.

You know what I'm saying? She was my employee too and I've called her about lying about that shit. Like, I know you doing whatever you doing to get your shit popping and all that but you worked for me for like

three years stop with the lying and shit because you're cloud chasing and you ain't got to you're already established you know what I'm saying I don't got no problem with her but over that situation right there I called her like what are you talking about she's like oh no they made it so I said I heard it so let's just address that type of rumor

was it that line? This is what happened. You want to know what happened? We got the Rockefeller. You got to have a drink, man. Come on, this is drink champ, god damn it. Come on, god damn it. Have some rose, god damn it.

Some pink rose. You got to salute with me or something, man. Please. You give me some water. I'm a drinker of water. You can't drink no water. It's not water champs, man. No, I'm not drinking that shit.

Come on, we're going to try. We're going to try. We're going to try. Come on, we're going to try something, man. Please, but again, same thing happened. Same thing happened, though. No, I ain't drinking it. But basically, so we get to Rockefeller.

Like I said, we just got jerked, so we know the game. And what's going on is we not waiting for nobody. You get what I'm saying? We not sitting around waiting for Dame to do something or Biggs or Jay or whoever. We going to bust the moves. So when we get there, Bobby dash the radio. We want him to get radio, boom. Start building a rapport with him.

You know what I'm saying? We start learning everybody who does what in office, the A&Rs, the people who pick beats, the secretaries, everybody, we're building a rapport. So we're going there every single day. And what we did was we took advantage of a studio, Baseline Studios. So we would, whenever Jay, Memphis Bleak, or Beans, or whoever was recording, we would go in there and we would record.

But if we had to stay there all night, no matter what it was, you know what I'm saying? So then we did a mixtape. A lot of people don't know, we really did the first artist mixtape. You know, you had mixtapes but all the artists was on DJ's mixtapes.

Yeah, 50 did it after us. And I'm not sitting here trying to take credit because it's like who invented the toilet? You don't really give a fuck you're going to take a shit right you know what i'm saying so but i'm just telling you we started doing our own mixtapes first because we don't everybody mix it but like we might as well do our own shit so then dame is like yo y'all putting out free music what the fuck are y'all doing i'm like yo you gotta build a buzz if the streets fuck with it then he's like nah we gotta

sell this shit we gotta sell i said well get the I have more music. It'll be ready. You know what I'm saying? So we're doing all this shit. Now I'm learning where Def Jam is at. Def Jam, I don't remember his downstairs or upstairs. So now I'm going to fuck with Kevin Louds every day. I'm like, yo, what's up, man? I got this, you know, I'm fucking with this song. So I'm going to fuck with Lior, going to fuck with Julie Greenwald. You know what I'm saying? I'm like... That's my crew. Yeah. I love that.

Yeah. Julie Greenwald, Mike Kaiser, Leo Combs, Kevin Lyles. Yeah, exactly. Fat Kevin Lyles, too. Yeah, yeah. Fat Kevin. That's Kenny Kev.

So I'm up there fucking with them. Thank you. Fucking with them every day. And so... We up there. It's two... big closets. Like walk-in closets. There's mad poster boards and shit in them.

In front of the closets, cubicles. So it's two closets. We're talking Rockefeller offices. Yeah, they're offices. But, you know, they were sharing it with Murder, Inc. Murder, Inc. was up there, too. Murder, Inc. was on this side. I think Murder, Inc. was to the left.

Yeah, so nobody's using these closets, but they big closets, and there's cubicles in front of them. So we used to stay till everybody leave, so we cleaned them shits out. Got the phone, man. You know, we stay up there, smoke weed. Got the phone, nigga.

Yo, put a phone line in here. Put a phone line in there. So we used to be in Dame office every day. So then, we chilling in front of, we start walking past Dame office. They like, what's up?

So they walk past, so we be like, yo, where the fuck y'all keep going down there? And they like, nah, we got an office. So niggas like,

how the fuck you get an office? And I'm like, we, this was closet space. We put some desk in there. We call some, hire some interns. So, niggas is like, I say, look, look, look,

I see niggas faces, don't fuck with this shit, man. Y'all could have been did this shit, this same shit seemed like it been for years. I remember the niggas sparks from state property coming in like, how the fuck Cam come in here and get a fucking office already? How these niggas getting offices and all this other shit? And I'm like, yo, bro, y'all in this situation that I was,

but y'all in a better situation. Y'all being taken care of. I don't really want to be taken care of. I know what's going on now. I don't need to wait for a dame to say do this or do that. I'm an asset. I'm not saying there was a liability, but I'm coming with shit already done.

I got jerked my first couple albums as far as I'm concerned. So now I know what to do. So niggas started taking heed to that like, Cam got an office, got secretaries and all this shit. I'm like, alright, whatever, man. I don't

really care about nobody feeling. You know what I'm saying? So I told Dame, I said, yo, look, I got this diplomat shit going on you want to fuck with it let me know he's like yo kim yeah i don't mean even come out yeah you got to chill i'm like we you don't really be out like i'm out we building a buzz bro so i'm coming he was an outside guy yeah yeah not not like that i ain't playing but i'm telling him he don't know what's going on. So I'm like, bro, you need to jump on this pause before it get crazy. He like, Cam, you didn't even put your shit out yet.

I said, all right, cool, no problem. Go to my man Kevin Lyle's office. I say, yo, let me play my artist Jewel's, play this song, play this Diplomat Project. He say, I want it. I want to sign the whole Diplomat shit. I said bet this is this is right after Dame Isn't paid in for nothing. Excuse me hard knock like screaming on Kevin Liles for giving One of his artists a Def Jam jacket. So this is after this. Yeah, okay continue. Yeah

Yes So so Dame is like I mean Kevin's like bet I want everything I said my lawyers called we get all this shit together So next day I give Dame the courtesy, I mean, Kevin's like, bet, I want everything. I said, I have my lawyer's code. We get all this shit together. So the next day, I give Dame the courtesy. I said, look. I said, yo, I know I'm your artist, but I'm about to do a joint venture deal with Def Jam, with Jewels and Diplomats and all that. He's like, what the fuck? What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

I said, let's calm down. I said, yo, you got to calm down, bro. I bought it to you first. You told me to chill. Now I'm about to do this. Oh, man, I can't do this. Doing that because da-da-da-da-da-da. Nah, he doing that to make me mad.

I said, bro, man, the nigga's jewels is nice. I tried to tell you this, man. Nah, nah, nah. We going down in there. I grabbed him., no, no. We going down in there. I grabbed him. I said, we're not going down in there. I'm just not going to fuck this money up. He said, if the deal don't go through,

I'll give you the money you're supposed to give him. I said, all right, now we can go there. That's fair. That's fair. I agree. Got like a meal on the table. We're close to the meal. So I'm like, yo, we go down there.

He go yelling. I'm looking at Kev like, it's this nigga. I ain't a nigga. I got a good relation. I don't want to seem like I told. Nah, you trying to gas Kim up.

Nah, nah, nah. Don't go and do this deal only to make me mad. Kev is like, damn, I'm not trying to make you mad. I like the kid you else.

I like the diplomat shit. I want to fuck with it. Nah, you just going crazy. It's going through Rockefeller. It's going through Rockefeller. It's going through Rockefeller. Kev is like, Dame, if it goes through Def Jam or goes through Rockefeller, I get the same salary.

It doesn't matter who it goes to. So if you want it to go through there, yeah, yeah, it's going through us. So now we get the deal, you know, it end up going through Dame. Me and Dame argue, cause it took- You want a blunt? I got a blunt roller from Peru, man.

You flew him in from Peru? Just for you, man. A blunt roller. So the nigga, so the deal was taking a while. It took like a month when it could have took a week. So now me and Dame is going, getting into it. I'm like, bro, I got shit to do it could've took a week, so now me and Damon is going, getting into it, I'm like, bro, I got shit to do, man, like, yo, you holding me up?

He like, yo, man, this down in the third, I said, look, I'm gonna need that 900,000, because you told me if this deal don't go through, you gonna give me the bread. So, long story short, the bread came next week. So we got the deal, and then Juelz was signed there. Diplomats were signed there. Now was Juelz signed directly to Def Jam?

No, he signed, he signed a diplomat and I had a joint venture with, through Rockefeller with Def Jam. But he was going to be signed through diplomat no matter what to Def Jam. Dame just wanted the Rockefeller logo on the deal as well. It was still a joint venture deal for me. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So. I remember when you was shopping Jewels. Yeah. From them Violator offices. You remember that? Yeah, I remember. He rhymed for,

I think me, Busta Rhymes, and Chris Lady. Yeah, yeah. I remember that. Yeah. A hundred percent. That's, that's,

so how did you, now you and Jim Jones' story is well documented, how you guys met, how you guys grew up together, and free. But Juelz was a later on addition, correct? Well, Juelz was on my second album. Yeah, you know, as soon as I left there,

I ran into him. Like, my best friend in elementary school basically was like, yo, I got this kid this high, and I didn't have my shit together at the time. I'm like, I don't really want to listen to nobody until I get my shit together. And I fell asleep in my car. He was driving my car. And when I woke up, Joel was in my back seat.

He's like, just to kill him, tell you what, I'm like, yo, bro, what are you doing? This is weird. Hold on, what? He just woke up and he's fitting? No, I woke up, he's like, this is the nigga I'm telling you about, but I told him I didn't want to meet him. Oh, wow. Because I'm like, my shit wasn't right. So when he woke up, I'm looking at him like, why'd you do this?

So I'm like, you're already in the car, rap. And when he rapped, he was super hot. I'm like, nah, this kid is tough. So I invited him to the studio. And we started working on an SDE album. He's like actually on two songs on an SDE album. Wow, I didn't see that. He's been with me since he was like 15, 16 years old.

You know, he didn't want to go to school because he went to school in Washington Heights and he said his teachers didn't speak English and he couldn't understand them. Yeah, man. So I made him write rhymes and that's that, B. But that's how he been there. What, is that what?

I said, that's how long you been there since he was 15 years old, 16. Yo, he go at you do it. Yeah. Look at him. He go at you on the Instagram all the time. Look at you. He making you the man on Instagram, brother. I'm telling you right now. He told me I got to respect his fan base.

Yeah, yeah. Nah, nah, nah. His fan base is built. That's Mr. Pied, man. You know, he keep a pie, man. That's hard. That's hard. He's just 15 too, baby.

You just 15 too? God damn it. God damn it. God damn it. Yeah, and the man, Juelz, the same. So awesome. That's hard. I've been since 15-2, baby. You've been since 15-2? Goddamn it. Goddamn it. Goddamn it. Yeah, and I met you all at the same time about. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action, and that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So obviously the first time I met you was a freestyle session. No, you said D&D. I believe you. I just don't remember the actual particulars of that. But that freestyle, and it was you, Mace,

and Cardin. Right. That was at D&D Studios? So that was, you remember what studios that was? No, I don't. It was Unique Studios, bro. Yeah, yeah. That's the only studio we come for. Yeah. You know, that was you remember what studios that I don't it's unique studios. Yeah, that's the only studio we come for Yeah, you know that was like that was like the step up of D&D, but it's not right track Right, it's not No The roaches in

But so for me, I and you had a relationship, but that was you and Mase and Cardin. I had always thought y'all was a group. I thought that was Harlem World, right? Or Children of the Corn, no? No, that's way before. Far back? Children of the Corn.

You know what's crazy? I was doing, you know, I'm in the middle of doing my doc, and there's a lot of moving pieces, you know, that need to be explained. Like, you don't know the Cornell's Big L shit. Right. And me, my God bless his dad, my man Bloodshed,

and the producer Digger kind of ran with the name, but Big L was trying to put a crew together. And it was like niggas from the Bronx, niggas from Queens, niggas from all over. So niggas didn't see each other every day like me, Blood, and Digger did, and Herb from all over. So niggas didn't see each other every day like me, Blood, and Diggard did, and Herb McGruff too. So we kept the name.

But as far as Cardi and Mace and whatever, and me, Cardi, and Mace, yeah. Mace got the deal with Bad Boy. We was running around with them, with Mace, and doing these freestyles, the Clue freestyles, everything. She's got a Harlem world, Taz. Yeah, absolutely. So we all was hanging, running around with Mace and you know doing these freestyles the clue freestyles everything uh yeah absolutely so we all was uh hanging running around with Mace and uh Mace got his deal and uh we Mace had Harlem World he wanted to name the Harlem World so when he got his deal he ended up getting a uh label deal from Jermaine Dupri and so... Social death? Right, a joint venture, Harlem World, social death.

So Jermaine Dupri missed out on signing Mase. That's who Mase wanted to sign with originally. Wow, wow. Jermaine Dupri missed out on it, so he doubled back to do the label deal. And Mase was giving out, he was recruiting niggas in the group and nobody really robbed.

It was like, even though that's my brother, he got Huddy Sixx. I wasn't no rapper, you know what I'm saying? I write it for him. Sugar Jay, he ain't no rapper. His sister, not no rapper. Loon just started rapping at the time, I believe. I don't want to tell what Loon started,

but he was just coming on the scene as a rapper. And a nigga named Meeno who really did rap. So I'm like, we can write these nigga shit because we thinking the niggas who want to sell it. So I believe we got a deal for $2 million. He was getting everybody $10,000. So he's about to give me $10,000. I'm like, hold on, I'm not part of the $10,000 crew.

I'm writing the fucking songs and shit. Like, what the fuck is the $10,000? Nah, nah, nah. So he started, like, curving, not picking the phone up and all this other shit. And I'm like, nah, I. So he started curving, not picking the phone up and all this other shit. And I'm like, nah, I got the bus moves.

I'm like, how you want to get me 10,000? I'm writing the songs, the right niggas verses, and you giving the niggas who don't write rhymes or anything like that the same amount.

This math is not right for me. So I ended up just starting doing my own thing. I had to curve that situation. Right. So where did y'all go wrong then? That? I'm talking about you and Mace because I'm seeing.

So me and Mace, Mace do a lot, a lot of little shit that don't really always got to be talked about. You know what I'm saying? But he'll do little shit like call me randomly and be like, yo, we ain't speak a couple years and he'll be like, yo, meet me here, da da da da. I'll be like, I ain't back. I'll give you an example, this is one example I'll give you. He calls me out the blue one day. Randomly, this is on tape, my man taped it.

He's like, yo, meet me on 2 5th. I ain't speak to him a couple years. I was like, I ain't back. But what era is this? Probably 2008. Okay. Probably 2008 years, something like that. He's like, meet me on 125th.

I'm like, bet. I meet him. We talk. He's like, yo, I got to go to Funk Flex car show. Let's go together. I'm like, all right, cool. I got to do something. He's like, I got to do something too.

He tells me, yo, meet me on 149th Street by the gas station. All right, cool. Go over there. He don't pick the phone up. Called me back. Oh, I'm bugging. I'm by River Park Towers. All right, cool. I'll go over there. Yeah, he don't, because

the car show's in Westchester. He don't pick up. So now it's me, Huddy, it's a few other niggas. We like, is this nigga doing this again? So we go to the car show, like let's see if this nigga car show, he there, he like, oh shit, y'all, what y'all doing here, y'all good, this, that, and the third. So we like, yo, why you got us running around the city and shit, he like, come on, I know y'all not

bugging over that, and I'm like, yo, all you had to do was just say that you don't fucking meet, but that's, it's aging over that. And I'm like, yo, all you have to do is just say that you don't fucking meet. But that's, it's a bunch of that. It's like if a nigga keep poking you on your side a hundred times, you just gonna slap him. So that shit happens a million times. That little story right there,

I can't even tell you how many different times that happens and just get to the point like, fuck it. Like I said, we do our research and before the artists come, we listen to the music. And when I'm listening to music, it's even on Welcome to New York City, it's like, I forget what you said, Mase, he ran to Atlanta. So I could tell there's something that,

was it the Horses and Carriages video? Because I remember, you know I was in the Horses and Carriages video. No, it that was crazy 50 cent told me he's in the water to Word Talk about that. Yeah, she did me in. We'll talk about that later. But definitely, definitely, these Harlem niggas turned different. Like, once it was time to play basketball, these niggas put on goggles, knee pads, these niggas start coming out. I'm like, what is going on? Harlem Goldtriers out of nowhere.

But we'll get back to that later. But so was that like a shot to your face, like when, you know, y'all boys, right? And, you know, I had to learn that lesson, too, where a person said, you know y'all boys right and you know I had to get learn that lesson to where a person said you know what you got to pay me like wow like you know I'm saying we coming up and was that was that a lesson like was what because I guess that was the rumor that he wanted to be paid or something and he said it on that day that's the reason why he didn't show up nothing I wasn't tripping off that unknown was them was more mad about it, you know,

because they felt they had other business they did with Mase and everything else and so on and so forth. Then Mase wanted Brad to do another song on my album. I didn't get really tripped off that. Under them was trying to plant that in my head, like, how your man charging you? How this down to third? And I'm sitting there like, I ain't tripping,

because I'm me. You know, I've been dope if he's there, but I knew what I was destined to do, so I wasn't tripping because I'm me. You know, I've been dope if he's there, but I knew what I was destined to do, so I wasn't tripping, but, you know, that was more un-Jacob York being mad about that than I was. Right. But was it?

You didn't feel nothing? Like, because, you know... I mean, he could have showed up, but I wasn't going to cry about it. It turned out good. You know, it turned out real good, but I'm more upset. Well, I was more upset over the shit I just told you.

Right, yeah. You're like, yeah, like, yeah. Fuck the music, well, I was more upset over the shit I just told you. Right, yeah. You're like, you're going over the shit. Yeah, like, yeah. Fuck the music, like, my nigga, because, you know, at the end of the day, when I tell niggas, too, and I don't really hold accountable, like, for instance, right, you know a nigga right now, definitely, right now, let's say they 35 years old. If you give a nigga $250,000 right now, just a nigga you know in the hood or whatever,

they might lose their mind because they never had that much money at one time. I know a nigga now that's 33. Give him $150,000 one time. He's going to go crazy. He's going to be in Singapore smoking cigarettes? Exactly. Mace was 22 years

old, triple platinum, probably $10 million. Still trying to be in the hood. Like, you know, that shit. You look back on it because you know you're a year older than me. But at that point, you'd be like, yo, why you doing this? Why you doing that? And you're like, I think, Lord, you might lose your mind with $10 million at 22, 23 years old.

You get what I'm saying? You ever felt you went Hollywood? Like, I ain't going to lie. 1998, I might have went too far. Did I ever feel I went Hollywood? Like, I ain't gonna lie, 1998, I might have went too far. Did I ever feel I went Hollywood? Yeah, like, I ain't gonna lie. Like, when I hit platinum, I didn't know how to do it. I was, what, 22?

I felt I was Hollywood before I was anybody. What? You know what I'm saying? Like, my confidence, yo, I go up, I wake up this morning, I talk to myself in the mirror for 10 minutes before I leave my house and tell myself I'm that nigga. Before I leave my house, yo. Nigga walk in on me like, yo, what's going on?

I'm like, yo, this is me. You know what I'm saying? Me, me, my dog. Yeah, for real, I do that shit. You know what I'm saying, I practice, I wear my hat how I walk, like nigga, I walk on the treadmill practicing how I walk up on the block. That's what I'm saying? I practice how I walk, like, nigga. I walk on the treadmill practicing how I walk up on the block.

That's what I do, my nigga, because I feel I'm that nigga, you know what I'm saying? So, I ain't really feel no way about none of that shit, but I never, I felt I was Hollywood before I was Hollywood, now I have a dollar. You know what I mean? Do I act Hollywood with my niggas? Never. No, I mean, did you ever, like, you know,

I had to be brought down, like, you know, I had to be brought down. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, just sometimes just being the man in the world and just realizing, like, you know what? This is just fame and shit like that. And I had to, like, you ain't never had that problem? Like, be humble. Yeah, you had to be humble. Yeah, you get humble?

Yeah. Nah. Never can. Nah, man. Very hard of you to say. Nah, I have it because it's just like, yo. Very hard on you to say. Nah, I have it because it's just like, yo,

because you know what? Like, for instance, right? Certain niggas, they got to wear jewelry every day or whatever. You know, if it's something to do, I'm going to get fly.

I'm going to step up. I'm going to show you I dress better than you. I'm going to show you my swag better. I'm going to show you you can't compete. You know what I'm saying?

If I need to do that, but if I'm going to the store, I'm going to put on a regular t-shirt, might got a fucking hole in it from my ashes or anything else, and I'm still going to talk to you how I want to talk to you, because I don't feel I need none of this shit to be the person I am, you get what I'm saying?

But, when it's time to show up and show out, I'm with all that too, but that's just my attitude. I come from a harsh neighborhood, man. You know what I'm saying? And when I say harsh, I'm talking about they joke harsh. It's like they joke real harsh. Like the jokes and shit, you may feel like it's not a joke.

You know what I'm saying? Like it's real. Like Big L2, he's a funny nigga. That's my man. I'll be like, yo, these jokes are not funny if they're just somebody else. You know what I'm saying? I knew, you know, give me an example.

We outside, somebody I knew had a shit bag on and they arguing with somebody else that I know and my man was like, yo, change your shit bag.

You stink. In the middle of an argument, but it was cool. I don't know what it's called. No, from an injury, right? Like someone that needed... Someone got stabbed. Oh, yeah, yeah. He got stabbed up near... Oh, you're saying somebody had a shit bag. Medically they needed it's called. No, from an injury, right? Like someone that needed... Someone got stabbed. Oh, yeah, yeah.

He got stabbed up near... Are you saying somebody had a shit bag? Medically, they needed a shit bag. He had a shit bag. I thought that was slang. My fault. Nah, he had a shit bag medically. And he's outside talking, et cetera.

But niggas snapping, and the nigga just like, yo, don't change your shit bag. You stink. And I'm like, yo, that's a harsh thing to say, man. You know what I'm saying? And they just kept it moving. But I used to be like be like this is this is raw and this is fucked up over here

Like the way they talk the niggas, you know You got out there shell growing up because you don't know what niggas gonna talk about You had a record with Wayne Wrecking went crazy, but he wasn't at the video. What happened with that one? I didn't really shoot a video for that. Oh, it didn't matter? It wasn't a half a video?

Didn't it went into that joint? Nah, that was not. Only thing I did for a second, matter of fact, I did shoot a video for a second and I went to Wet Wipes. I don't remember, but to keep it a honey,

Bootsy and Webby was on that song first. You know what I'm saying? Oh, wow. Shout out to Bootsy and Webby. That was released? Yeah, it was released some type of way. Really? But Wayne heard it, and you know, Todd Moskowitz and Salem, they wanted to put Wayne on it.

And it was a last minute decision before we, you know, ended up mastering the album or whatever. But the song originally was Bootsy and Webby. And they was originally on it. But, you know, Wayne, Wayne's a fan. And it came out. I don't even want to sit here and say how or why. But regardless, I'm not big on if you show up to the video.

If you did the song, thank you. You know what I'm saying? But Wayne, my man today, I call Wayne, Wayne one of them niggas that's going to send a record back before the sun go down.

You know what I'm saying? He work fast, so. Yeah, that's a fact. Definitely. So how was it, at the time, you remade a song called Bowdy Bowdy.

Mm-hmm. A lot of us didn't go to New Orleans a lot, so a lot of people didn't know how important you was doing Bowdy Bowdy and remaking that Right. How was that working with masterpiece at that time? It was dope

I was what happened was we I was a fan of the South always I went to school in Texas You know our family yourself, but not only that I've traveled I've lived outside of New York. I lived in Ohio I lived in Chicago and I see how big of a fact of our artists had like New York niggas Our mentality is we the biggest niggas in the world. Pause. But when you go out of town, niggas don't really care too much about all that New York shit.

They got their own shit going on. So I always respected that, being able to travel. And me and Master P, we end up sitting on a flight next to each other. We just took the whole flight. And I was like, yo, I want to remake your record. And he like, bet. And we did it.

And he owns that master, correct? For my song? For Bow to Bow to Not to Maw. For his own. Yeah, yeah. Because he can not only do it, but he can clear it for you as well. Yeah, he cleared it for me. So we did the song.

And it was cool. Jim didn't like it. Jim directed the video. Not the song he didn't like. And Master B was super cool when we shot the video. But I guess when he was doing B-roll, I wasn't there for everything. He was screaming on Jim, I guess,

because it was taking time and stuff. He said, I'm worth 400 million, nigga. I'm standing out here. The fuck is going on here, huh? And Jim was like, yo, it's hard to work with this guy. This nigga's keep yelling this 400 million shit out. In fairness, where was this at? Where was the shoot at? In Harlem.

In Breucker Park? Nah, another park on 151st, by Jewel's, but 151st and Amsterdam. And that's where. It's like people get robbed there. Yeah,

but there was so many kids outside, but you know, you do the big scene with everybody, so I ain't got to be there the whole time. Jim taking them to do little B-roll shots and this,

and I guess they took time to set the camera up, and he just kept screaming this 400 million shit out, and niggas was holding him up, and he got shit to do and all that, because Jim kept calling me like, yo, this nigga keep telling me he got $400 million, and he ain't got time for this

shit. Thanks a lot. What do you say after a nigga say, yo, I got $400 million, and he set up, what do we do? What do you say to the niggas after that? I just tell niggas to stay patient. We need it. We set up. What do we do? What do you say to them? These tall niggas stay patient. We need it. You know what I'm saying?

We need it. Yeah, we need this look. So that's what happened. Who was the illest person that told you there was a fan of you that you was like, wow. Illest person that said he's, all right, so this is a dope story, right? So my first album, my first album's not even out yet. And we in the airport. It's me and a couple of my niggas.

And Lawrence Fishburne walked past just randomly. We like, oh, shit. Fucking Lawrence Fishburne. We don't have no albums, so we like bargained to see Lawrence Fishburne. He's like, yo, man. We love Lawrence Fishburne. No homo.

So Jim is sitting there. Jim is like, yo, I, we love Laurence Richburg, no homo. So Jim is sitting there. Jim is like, yo, I was in Toys R Us. And if you call him Larry, he lose his mind. He don't like to be called Larry. So my man is an asshole. He died. My man, Fat Sean, God bless his day. He like, yo, Larry.

He look, be like, he look looked He's like Yo I said what's up Larry So Lawrence Fishburne stops And walks over And says would you just call me Is that the airport He's like would you call me I said what's up Larry

What's happening So we like yo we fans He's tuning us out He's like yo we fans this that and the third he tuning us out he like yo why you calling me Larry he said cause that's your name he said my name is Lawrence

he said your name is Larry oh Larry now I get it alright good look let me tell you this this story so bad I had to do research on it his name was Larry

when he was young but then after higher learning he changed it to Lawrence I guess Larry is wild and niggery And then he did Higher Learning And you know what I'm saying He want to be like

Proper black the Matrix And all this shit So Anyway He like man Fuck you He talking about me and that We like yo don't listen to him man

You know Jim had just did a scene On New York Undercover as an extra. Oh, really? Yeah. And he did the acting lessons, is that what you was going to say? Jim was like an extra on New York Undercover. Like I said, I didn't even have no album out.

We was promoting and shit. So he walks off. Be like, yo, why you do that, Sean? Like, what's wrong with you? He's like, man, fuck that. Nigga name is Larry. So we chilling like 10 minutes later. This nigga come back and sit next to us.

We like, yo, man, don't worry about him. He over here, my man Sean over there. We like, yo, man, we fans, Jim, like, my man was just on New York Undercover. If you could help us out with the little acting shit, you know, we need a little gig and all that shit. He's like, I'm not helping y'all. We like, what's wrong, man? He's like, you with somebody who keep calling me Larry?

My man leaned over and said, your name is Larry and don't ask me again. Lawrence Fishburne get up, get out, take his wallet out, put it in my man's face, what does that say? My man is like, I don't care what it says. Your name's Larry. So we like, yo, fuck him, man, I'm about to be a rapper, you know what I'm saying? This nigga, my man's acting, just down the third, yo.

So the Lawrence Fishburne fish room Wow, he says Yo, stop asking me for help man You know I'm saying fuck that I'm not helping y'all just think you gotta understand So now Jim is basically begging Laurence Fishburne now I'm like You know what's up, my dick? Get the fuck out of here, yo. Nigga ain't kissing your ass. Man, fuck you. Matter of fact, I'm about to swing on you. So Larry Fitzbrough, he backed up.

This nigga pulled some gloves out of his pocket and put on his gloves. So I'm like, I looked at my man T. I'm like, you about to jump this nigga. You know what I'm saying? So he just looked and walked off. Like a movie. Like just walked off like a movie. Like just walked off into the shit. And I'm like, my man Sean, like, you an asshole.

I said, I got tired of kissing his ass. He's like, nah, he was on the verge of snuffing me, man. I was going to fall out, get all the money, all that shit, man. You fucked up everything, bro. I said, I can't take it no more. Anyway, fast forward to answer your question. That was a great story. My man is driving my pink Range Rover one day at Harlem. Like stunt, I like the stunt.

Let's listen to it. Like Fitz Lawrence, like whatever, pull up on the nigga. He's like, yo, camera, Pink Ranger over? He's like, yes, my man. He said, yo, tell that guy I love his music, man. I'm a big fucking fan of camera, man. You let him know that. And I'm like, Lawrence don't even know that was us in the airport like fucking six years ago that you was going crazy because nigga called you Larry.

Now you're a fan of my music, my nigga. Look, look at that, my nigga. So that's an ill person who I would say is a fan who basically shitted on us and told us to fucking kick rocks and get the fuck out of here because my man was going crazy on me. Let's make some noise for that guy. I'm scared. What's the nigga's name now? Lawrence.

I'm scared now. Don't call him Larry. You get mad. Yeah, don't call him Larry. You get mad. We just called him Larry all over the place. Yeah, you get mad. You don't him Larry. You get mad. Yeah, don't call him Larry. You get mad. We just called him Larry all over the place. Yeah, you get mad. You don't like Larry.

You want to be Lawrence. So I imagine growing up, being from all those, although you're from Harlem, being from New York City, you had to be fans of Jay and Nas. But at one point, you was at odds with Jay and Nas. Right. I mean, which one you want to talk about first? It don't matter either.

All right, let's say Jay. Jay for instance, because you were at Rockefeller. And this is you leaving Rockefeller or exiting Rockefeller, these records that pop up? No, what happened was, I believe, Dane was going to make me the president of Rockefeller. That was his office. Was that to do with this office he was talking about earlier? No, we just housed the office.

Okay, that wasn't the same time he was the president? It never really came to fruition, me being the president. You being the actual president. He wanted to make me the president. Okay. And I don't think he talked to Jay about that. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So, like, when I ice or bust it, and me and Jay cool. We was just on a Zoom call like a week ago. So, this is just stories. Me and Jay ain't got no problems. We is super cool. So, Jay. You said this rosé, too, by the way.

For you. Come on. Come on. I'm going to take it with me. No problem. No problem. We'll give you the cold one, appreciate it so um basically when I got the Rockefeller you know I tried to ingratiate myself with everybody cuz I think word I don't know that me yeah I'm trying to be cool with everybody I'm trying to say they already have something going and I know grace you so I'm trying to be cool with everybody because y'all got your own thing you know I'm saying I don't want to come in here and seem like I'm stepping on toes or whatever so I'm cool with everybody you know hey this down the third and

you know Jay Jay's a competitor you know I what I'm saying? So me coming there, I don't know. This was Dame's situation. This ain't something that he did. So, you know, first thing that happened, I brought K. Slay up there. And I guess I didn't know he was mad at K. Slay because K. Slay must have played Ether at the time. And he was mad at Nas for Ether and all this other shit. And we've never heard this story, Ken. Yeah, I'm telling you what happened.

You guys K Slade, so... I've never heard this story, Ken. Wait a minute. What? So you're saying you run K Slade up to baseline? Yeah. Okay, and this is after K Slade he definitely voted for Nas, Ether. I remember this. Continue. Okay, and this is after K Slade, he definitely voted for Nas,

Aether, I remember this, continue. Yeah, so I brought him up there because, you know, we using K Slade to host our mixtape, so K came up there, boom. Jay wasn't there. But as I'm leaving, Jay is in the lobby of Baseline. So I walk K to the elevator

and I guess they said, K and Jay-Z said, what's up, whatever. So I walked back in. He said, yo, you got to be careful who you bringing around here. We might have just slapped the shit out of Kay Slate. And I'm like, wait, what's going on, man? You know, I don't even know what's going on. He's like, he's like, yo, just saying, be careful who you bring around.

All right, cool. This your house. I ain't got no problem with that. You know what I'm saying? It's all good. Cool. We building buzz up. I'm like, yo, Jay in the studio.

I'm like, yo, we might want to hop on his record. We building the buzz, and he'll just look like, okay. That's cute. Like, he didn't say it, but he like, okay. I'm like, all right, cool, cool. I don't know what's going on, but whatever so um I start heating up. You know I'm saying and He like yo, we're seeing you know what you could tell us some tension So one day I come to studio you like yo, it seem like there's some tension in here. He says that?

Yeah, to me, I'm talking. I don't know if it's that word, but he says something going on. I just want to let you know, I see y'all niggas rocking. I ain't got no problem, we all good. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, bet. Just got a song up right now, you know,

if the tension is here, let's just do it now. And he's like, bet. So we did the song. Boom. So I said, yo, the song heating up, we might just do it now. And he's like, bet. So we did the song. Boom. So I was like, yo, the song, he know we might could do the video. He like. Said, okay, we back to that. Cool.

So that happened. Then back to all we saying about I'm starting to do bus moves or whatever. Because there was a rumor that there was a Jay-Z verse on Oh Boy and you erased it. I'm about to tell you that. So, Petey Crack. Nobody fuck with Petey Crack. State property,

nobody. Petey Crack, I'm going to fuck with Petey Crack. Where? He had the song. One for Petey Crack. That too? Man.

Yeah. That was his song by himself. I put me and Jewelz on it. Take it to day, I'm like, I'm about to fuck with him. He like, he fulfilling you to fuck with state itself. I put me and Jewel's on it. Take it to day I'm like I'm about to fuck with him. He like he for Philly you should fuck with State Property. I'm like why everything gotta be so Philly this Harlem this this this this I don't think I heard the story neither Petey Crackers story

You don't even need to drink nigga go ahead keep going It's on Vlad. He told the story on Vlad But I already knew how it went anyway, but he tells the story. So, they in the studio, he said he got this hot song. You know, because he wasn't signing state property. I was fucking with him.

He come to New York or whatever. And I was going to sign him. But Damien was like, I was going to fuck it up for Philly and all this shit. And I'm like... So,

Petey was like... This is a situation where both of y'all is right, by the way. Yeah. Damien's right and you were right too. This is a situation.

But continue. So, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's on his own. He's not with state property. No, but it's seeming like that right, by the way. Yeah. Dame is right, and you were right, too. This is the situation. But continue. He's on his own. He's not with State Property at all. No, but it's seeming like that, but he's not. Right. Wow. So he's like, I'm not signed to them niggas, Cam. So we did the song.

So Petey's playing the song for Jay-Z, whoever else in the studio. And like I said, Petey Crack's story is on. He talks about a couple interviews I already knew how it went though but we don't mention the outlets

yeah so he's playing sorry about that so he's on especially that nigga I apologize a couple other videos

a couple other interviews he mentioned this so he says he's in the studio playing it and my verse come on and Jay say stop it

erase that shit and just erase my whole verse so Petey calls me he like can't I gotta slow you down a little bit you saying the original one for Petey

you're on there with Jewels Petey is in the studio he actually there? Yes. With Jewels? Yes. Petey is in the studio. He actually plays the record. No, this is what happened. I used to go to Philly. I had a salon in Philly.

You know what I'm saying? What the fuck is going on? How could you? This is 23 years. So one night after I, you know, check on my business in Philly, I go to a club that's DJ Koryak, I think his name was. And I'm like in the hole in the wall,

and Pee Dee Crack is performing in this hole in the wall, and the whole club's going crazy. So I went up to him and met him. I'm like, yo, what's up? He's like, nah, you know, Beans, this, that, and the third, and I fuck with everybody. You know, those was his niggas. So then a week or two later, I went to,

I don't know what time, we go to Philly radio station and he's outside the radio station Cosmic Cat the Hot Boys yeah he's outside the radio station and he like killer what's up man

I'm like I thought you fucked with state property and he's like Dame ain't signed Dame is there he's like Dame ain't signed me nothing

I'm like what so that record you did is still not out send it to me well it wasn't sent some type of way he gave me a CD I think I had. And I did it and gave it to him.

He used to come to New York. So when I did it, Dame was like, yo, hold on. I said, the man said he not signing y'all. The nobody. Well, you know, we was going to do this and was going to do that. And I'm like, whatever. So then what happened was Dame said, look, I guess Beans and them was like, how can

this was Petey cracks on me. How can them jumping on our record on the Philly record? Petey's like, I didn't know y'all wanted to do the record. So Dame come to me. I guess it was a problem over that or whatever. Dame like, yo, this is what we going to do. do We gonna put state property on it

And keep you on it We gonna take Jewels off I'm like Nah they take me off too Like I don't understand what's going on Why this is such a big deal But they was gonna take Jewels off And leave you on

Yeah Okay good And I'm like nah man I said well take me off the record too man It ain't no problem You know what I'm saying But Prior to all this video for that song and everything,

Jay-Z heard the verse and just erased my shit. Told P.D. Crack, erase it. Or Shane, whoever was engineering that day. I'm like, it's a wild band. And energy going on. But we don't give a fuck. And, but Cam, I got to ask you, because this is very deep. Everybody's good. Everybody's good. We because this is very deep. Everybody's good.

Everybody's good. We're drinking a spade right now. Everybody's good. But this is 100% facts. You know that that happened. You know that... If you want, we could pause this interview, pull it up on your phone.

Again, we got people who's paid for that. Let's go. What are they pulling up, Cam? First, you pull up Cam Rod, and Petey Crack. You should just call Petey. Now Petey ain't casting my calls for a minute. I don't know why he be mad at me every other week. It's my niggas.

We Niggerican, Puerto Rican shit. Yeah. Let me see if we can talk. Yeah, yeah. But you put up, pull up. But I don't want to break. I don't want to bring him in. I don't want to bring Zeke in, but I don't want to break.

You got it. I want to keep going. Let me see if I can get him on that would be even better coming from him that's great I've never heard this story so

but I'm saying not the fact that that doesn't exist but the fact that the person that said that Jay said to take their verse off that's real

one million percent I want to be on your show making no shit up. No, no. I got it for you. I got it for the fans. It's not me. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, I know you got a huge audience. I ain't got time. You know, like I said, Jay may have a different way of going about it, but this is what

Petey Crack said. He's like, because he wanted to give me a copy, but I already had a copy. I put it on my mixtape. So you saying that to say that

to bring it to oh boy right so bam you know Jay one day was like um bringing Zeke in yeah Jay one day was like um yeah I did a I did a little something for you in the studio. I was coming in the studio. He was walking out. So I'm like, then he had something to Old Boy. And I was like. This is Old Boy's already number one?

Yeah, it's popping. Yeah, this is popping Old Boy. Let's be clear. It's not the rough draft for Old Boy. This is when Old Boy's already lit. Right. You on tour. Right, right.

So I listened to it, and I was like, erase that shit. You see, did this shit to me, so I was like... Yo, you a different type of fag. I erased it. And that's how the song got erased. You know what I'm saying? Let me just say something. As a petty nigga, I'm petty.

Like, I'm petty. I Like I take back my my clothes I used to buy a bitch like Bring it up here. I'm taking back Jerry and all that right as a petty. Yeah So there's no more level Just right right like you literally erase erased the Jay-Z verse. Yeah, because he erased my verse. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So.

No, no, not that. Take it out the bag and put that pink horsepower up there. That pink horsepower. Now what is pink horsepower? Let's finish the story. We'll get to it. All right. Yeah, so that's why I erased his

verse. And I would love if Petey Crack picked the phone up. He didn't pick up? Nah, I just texted him. Yeah, so.

I think we let somebody say something about him. Yeah, he didn't correct him. Nah, nah. It was probably me. Nah, go ahead.

Make it good presentable too. That's Viagra, right? We'll get you that later, right? Yeah. I'm going to take me some Viagra, god damn it.able, too. That's Viagra, right? We'll get you that later, right? I'm going to take me some Viagra, goddammit. Yeah, and it's all natural. All natural, too.

We're going to get into that. So basically, all right, so Busta, right? One day, and that's all after the president shit. Like I said, I think that's where shit went bad, that not confirming with Jay about Dame saying he make me the president. I went on Rap City and talked about it. And what I said was,

you know, Dame, this is what Dame told me, I'll make you president, we gonna bring Beans along further when he get it together and he'll learn more about the business,

yada, yada, yada. So I was repeating what Dame told me. So one day, I go on baseline by myself. Jay had went on vacation or some shit, that's why he wasn't around the office. So day I go on bass, I'm by myself. J.I. went on vacation or some shit. That's why he wasn't around the office. So I walk in the studio, I'm by myself.

It's J., it's Beans, it's Bleak. And you know how you walk in the room and you know they was just talking about you? Everybody stopped. So I just walk in, music not playing no more, nobody talking, so I'm like... And you by yourself or you were dolo, I'm by myself. I'm like,

what's up, y'all? Nigga's like, nine. So, nigga Bean said, yo, can I talk to you for a minute? We go outside the room. I said, what's up? He's like, yo, bro, he said, please don't make me look bad on TV no more, man. I said, what are you talking about? He said, nah, you talking about I don't know the business and this, that, and the third. I said, please don't make me look bad on TV no more, man. I said, what are you talking about? He said, nah, you talking about I don't know the business and this,

that, and the third. I said, yo, my nigga, I ain't trying to make you look bad. I just was repeating what Dame said. If you feel a way, I apologize, but that wasn't my intent to make you look bad. He said, yeah, please, man, because I look crazy. So I said, okay, I'll see what's going on in this room before I walk in.

This is Cam and them got an office Cam and them bust moves Cam doing this without authorization speaking to Jay and being a company you know you could have you could have just let them know or whatever but Jay didn't really come to the office and that's one thing I say about Jay no matter what we had a problem with everything i had to do i had to get six seven signatures biggs j dane leo julian kevin loud so six signatures he always signed off on everything whether it was good or bad he wasn't hating or anything i was doing but that's why i erased his verse because you know that's how he erased my verse and then it just became further emphasis the relationship started This is what's weird because after that

You stood in New York City together. No, that was before that. Oh, that was New City was recorded before. I didn't know that Oh Like it like it was love it was of I get it was levels of, I get it, it was levels of, and like I said, I just think that Sujay as a person, like, you got to earn his respect. But see, me personally,

and I may have came in there with the wrong attitude, for, not to me, but just to him thinking, because I, you know, I knew Jay-Z as far as, I've been in his house

on 560 State Street. And I respect everything he did before Music Career. I remember, what happened? Nah, he's trying to tell me to try to get you to drink. I'm like, we're going to get Zeke to drink and shit. Yeah, nah. You want some of that ass? Come on.

You got Sober Champs? What y'all doing? That's cool. Sober Champs is cool. That's cool. It's a great interview. You get the same price. Hold on.

So, because basically, I remember Jay-Z used to open up for, not even open up. He didn't have no deal or nothing. They just had money. Him and Dane was getting money. And me and Bleak used to ride around with them. Jay didn't have no deal. We just young niggas. I was Dane Youngman.

Bleak was Jay Young Nigga. And I remember, you know, they had this song, Coming of Age. And Bleak used to perform that with them. My mama going to Philly, me, Bleak, Jay, and Dame just in their car, in GS300. And them niggas opening up for Redman. Not, pardon me, Method Man. Method Man was on top of the world.

Dame and Jay paid to open up, I think, Penn State, one of them colleges, to open up for them niggas. And, you know, it was dope. It wasn't a lot of people in the crowd, nothing. But, you know, it was bugged out. Years later, when they had the Rock the Mic tour, Method Man and Redman was opening up for fucking Jay-Z. They was opening that.

I was like, that's fucking amazing. Because I remember these niggas just paying to open up. They didn't have no deal. They didn't have nothing. They had bread and said, let us be the opening act. I was like, that's fucking amazing. Because I remember these niggas just paying to open up. They didn't have no deal. They didn't have nothing. They had bread and said, let us be the opening act. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, the progression of Jay-Z, I seen it. A lot of it.

You know, I'm not going to sit there and say, y'all know Ty Ty or B-High or Source Money or Jazz or any of them niggas. But, you know, I felt I was close enough to be like, nah, I seen you grow, my nigga. So when when i got there i thought i may have had that same rapport from what we had in 94 95 or whatever year it was you know what i'm saying and um obviously it wasn't that it wasn't that same relationship you know what i'm saying because i tell niggas all the time tata is a nigga who made me want to get money Like I got kicked out of college, right? I

Have a dollar and I remember me and Dane went to meet Jay-z and Tata and Jackson holes. It's restaurant in New York hamburgers and all that so he went to meet them one day and They have some it was with two chicks and me and dame just pulled up ate with them so i'm like damn i don't have a dollar i just got kicked out of college yeah i just got kicked out of college yeah like literally like a week after that and tata looked young you know he's short so you don't know how old tata is or whatever and And it was time to pay for the bill. And I'm like, I don't know what's about that.

I don't know if Dane got me or whatever. And Ty Ty, he probably older than me, but I thought he was my age and younger. And this nigga pulled out a knot like this.

And I was like, who you feel? My brain. And I'm like, oh, if niggas my age like this getting this much money, I got to go get some money. And he the nigga, I swear to God brain. And I'm like, oh, if niggas my age like this getting this much money, I got to go get some money. And he the nigga,

I swear to God, that day I was like, I'm going to get money tomorrow if I got to rob a nigga, I'll do whatever. I'm not going to have a nigga that short. My age pulling out

this much money. He paid for everything and that really motivated me to say, I don't give a fuck, I'm going to get some money. And that week later, I started getting money.

That's a piece of money for that guy. Now, getting money. Freaky motherfucking Ziggy man. What's going on my dude? Everything good brother? Running around in a circle causing a hurricane? Yo did you find the song? Yeah he found it. Oh he did find it? Got it connected? And we need to get PD Crack on the phone. We do, we do. Come on. You said you don't want to promote it.

We, we, we, we. I think we should get him directly talking about it. We can't use it, though. That's not, it wouldn't be. Yeah. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.

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for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I mean, right now, right now, right now, right now, I'm in freaky AA. I'm in freaky AA. Thank you. We celebrating that. Yeah. We gonna leave it alone. We gonna leave it alone. Of course, when he drinks, he don't know how to drink for one or two days. It's like a three-month thing.

That's what I'm talking about. Word. No, no. It's not. It's not. It's not good. It's not good. Let me stop.

Let me stop. This is me. For me. I'm gonna drink for both of y'all. I appreciate it. I'm going to drink for both of y'all. We usually take shots at this time. Are me and you going to take a shot together? Let's take a shot. Let's do a shot. I'll do a shot.

By the way, Petey called in. He's ready, but we're trying to figure out how to phone him. No, this was too good. This was too good. You had to let us talk. You had to let us talk. Let's go then. You going to get Petey?

No, no. We're trying to figure out the FaceTime. He doesn't have an iPhone, so he's... So put it on speaker. Let me hear it. Put it on speaker. They know that voice. Let's see. Let's pause. Is it going to your mic pause?

Yeah. Did you invent pause? I didn't invent. I didn't invent. I say no homo, but I don't know if that's politically correct these days. You know what I'm saying? You there?

I didn't invent that. That's my niggas from the east side. That's P. Crack. Crack. You hear me? What's good? Make some noise for P. Crack! You want to talk to you?

Yo. Yo. What up? What up, Kelly? What's up? Shit, you. How you doing? You all right?

Hell yeah. Yeah, I'm all right, man. What y'all up to up there? Y'all been no good? What the fuck is going on? Nothing, no. I'm going to lock you in. I miss you like a motherfucker. Paws, man.

I love this nigga. I love this nigga. Yo, I love this nigga. This nigga, he has no, this nigga is genuine, no filter, period. Yo, so listen. I'm telling this story about how the whole shit started with you and Rockefeller. And they like, Kim, they not saying they you and Rockefeller, and they like, Kim, they not saying they don't believe me,

but they like, are you sure? And I was telling them, could you tell them how we met real quick? Yeah, to keep it real brief, you are, you ready right now? Yeah. All right, so check it, it was a DJ named Corey, I can feel he throwing like these,

this before I signed to anything, he used to throw these joints that he let me perform at. And Cam and Koryak was real tight, so Cam would come to Philly a lot, I would hear about him, I would hear about some, I don't know, I don't have to get into that bullshit, but anyway, I performed at the joint. I had a hair salon out there.

Right, the chick with the hair twines, we always knew about that shit. So I performed at the joint, and Cam was in the building. He heard it. The next day, he must have got my number from Corey. He called me direct, like, yo, what's good? I need a voice from the rep. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm a big Cam Brown fan.

That's my man now. But even before, since 357 and all that, you know what I mean? I'm a fan of hip-hop, period. So I'm hype. I got Cam on the phone. He's like, yo, I want to do that song, that joint that you be saying. The map goes ring.

I said, that's one for TD Craig. We can do it over. What's up? He said, come up to New York, bring it with you. I'm going to meet you there at Baseline. Just leave it there, matter of fact. I got up there, I went up to that Baseline. The next day, he came in in the middle of the night.

Him and Els got busy on that joint. I come in the next day, I'm done. Then Burson's is on it. I'm in there. I'm in the main room. I'm excited. Me and the engineer. Jay walks in.

I'm playing this shit for everybody that walk in, because I'm just geeking, because I got a drink with Cam. This shit about to go down for me. That's in my head. You know what I mean? I'm playing this shit for everybody that walk in because I'm just geeking because I got a drink with Cam. This shit about to go down for me. That's in my head. You know what I mean? I'm high. Jay walk in. I'm like, yo, check this shit out.

I play it. I play my part. I come on. I don't know who came on first. Yeah, I come on first. Cam was right after me. And soon as Cam first come on, he just like, he tell the engineer, yo, stop that shit. He stop itverse come on, like, he just, like,

he tell the engineer, yo, stop that shit. He stop it. He's like, yo, delete that shit. I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm like, yo, hold on, hold on. What the fuck is going on? He's like, yo, delete that shit.

You good, crack your own even niggas on that joint. Just do what you got, do your thing. And just walked out the room and shit. I'm stuck. I'm sitting there looking crazy i'm like oh

i just had a feature with the can that deleted my um i clocked so the next a couple days later i'm in new york i'm about to fly to uh l.a um ken i got a call from i think sherry or somebody from the office was like yo p, Petey, I'm about to leave. She's like, hold up, Cam on the line. He want to talk to you. I get on the phone with him. He's like, you know, crack, man. Yo, man, yo, we all fuck with you.

L, everybody like you, man. Freaky, everybody. And if you want, man, you always got a home over here with us, over at the Dipset, niggas. I said, I appreciate that, man, but I'm going to ride this shit out withet niggas. I said, I appreciate that, man, but I'm gonna ride this shit out with these niggas. And by him telling me, like, being so genuine with me right there

and just keeping it funky with me like that, I just had to keep, I just had to tell him, like, yo, bro, I was in the studio. This nigga Jay deleted your verse. I'm thinking that nigga can go react, like, on some, like, upset shit, but he didn't even faze him.

He just was like, yo, man, don't worry about that shit, crack. Just do what you got to do, man. Go get on your flight and go kill that shit. Whatever you're doing, man, don't even do any tricks. And right before I flew off, he called me back. And I had a drive. We had to drive.

He had to drive. He met me somewhere. He pulled up. I had like the blue 745 or some shit. It was one of the Husky BMs. He lit up on me and gave me the CD. I had another copy or some shit. It was one of the Husky Bams. Flit up on me and gave me the TV. I had another copy of the shit. I got the, you know what I mean?

Just let me know, like, I got a copy of this shit. You can watch it. I watched this shit the whole way, the whole flight up to L.A. I get to L.A. You want me to go further? That's all you want?

You want more of that? You can wrap it up when you got to L.A. Yeah you want me to go further? That's all you want. You want more of that? You can wrap it up when you got to L.A. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I get to L.A. and it gets a little more, like, even more, like, spooky to me. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I think just off the, on the strength of that, with Ryan for Jay, you know what I mean?

And I was just mad under the circumstances. I didn't understand the issues that I was just mad under the circumstances. I didn't understand the issues that Cam and Jay had at the time. I didn't know. I just was like, what the fuck is up with these niggas? I didn't know. It wasn't really talked about that much, but it was going on. So I get to L.A.

I play the CD. I'm banging the CD the whole way. I know all the words to everybody versus and everything. I get to L.A., go up to the rooms. I think Be the words that anybody verses in anything. I get to L.A., go up to the room. I think Beans and Leaf was playing the game in the suite. Put it in the CD.

Matt get up and eject it and break it in half and throw it in the trash. So I'm looking at him. I'm like, yo, what's good? What y'all need?

He's like, this shit was like the Twilight Zone and shit. And that's when I realized like, yo, what's good with y'all niggas? Like, this shit was like the Twilight Zone and shit. And that's when I realized, like, the booze was going on. He did what? He took the shitty opportunity ticket. I'll tell you what you're talking about. Okay, okay.

All right, crack, we love you, brother. Thanks, crack. Y'all know you crack? Y'all know I'm about to text you. Now I'm about to text you for my number when I get out of here. So you got my number. Where you at? You in Philly? I'll call you when I get out of here. So you got my number. Where you at? Don't forget.

You in Philly? I'm in AC right now. I'll call you when I get out of here, yo. Make some noise for Peter Crack. You know what I mean? So he got muffled in a couple of minutes. What was he saying, Cam? That he, wait, wait, wait.

Not only Jay erased your verse. He said everything I told you. I didn't get to break the CD bar. What the fuck was that? What happened is he went in the studio, he went in the studio, Jay deleted it.

But he called to tell me about it. I had a copy. I gave him a copy anyway before he went to his flight to LA, to go to LA. He said he flew all the way to LA to meet State Property. When he got to LA,

Beans and whoever else from State Property was in there playing the game. And he's like, yo, listen to this shit I did with Cam and Jewels. And when he played it, Beans stopped playing the game, ejected it, and broke the CD in half and threw it in the garbage. That's exactly what he said. He did say that. Now me and you, only record after that was with R. Kelly and Jay-Z. Me and you and Jay-Z.

How the fuck did you get on that record? I used to live in Chicago, yo. Get the fuck out of here. I couldn't be ignored in Chicago. Wherever I go, I'm going to make noise, B. Never could step on R. Kelly toes in Chicago but they knew about us

we planted our flag out there I got to do Chicago dips at Chicago weekends all that shit so you want to fuck with me

like his manager at the time George and Regina Daniels they took me in they really like took a liking to me and shit so

they was heavy in the city especially George Daniels you late later verse was R Kelly there I ain't gonna say it tell you I remember I don't even remember You know, I did a few songs with R Kelly remember we did a video on Cali and all that So that particular time I'm not sure if R Kelly was there or not. But uh, you know, we still fuck around. Pause. You got to be careful. Nope. Y'all say no petty. You got to be careful. It's not petty, man. We got a segment on this show

called Quick Time with Slime, right? Now, Quick Time with Slime means you can pick one or the other, right? Usually, if the person picked both, we take a shot for it. But being that y'all are Santeros or something, something going down.

Something going down over there. Y'all motherfuckers in the church is something a daytime so don't worry we go hold y'all there I'm gonna take regular survive leave I'll take the fucking white grape this is terrible you sure you let you one oh I forgot yeah we giveall already told me your story. My bad. He's not drinking. My bad. He's not drinking. Which rock's in here? You know which rock in Teriyaki? I got some drinking things. No, I can't lie to you, man. I can't lie to you, my friend, man. I've known you for years, man.

I've known you for years. All right, cool. So, all right, cool. Until it comes, let's make it going on. He ain't got the regular cigar? All right, good. I don't think he's going to pick both on this one anyway. The first one.

You ready, Kev? Yeah. All right, quick time of slime. What the fuck? All right. You got the other survive? Yeah. All right, yeah.

So it's going to be me and you for his answers, all right? I got the whole one, all right? All right, cool. We'll replace it. Come on. All right. Let me put some ice in this right? All right, cool. We'll replace it.

Come on. All right. Let me put some ice in this motherfucker. All right. Ready, guys? Nas and Jay-Z. I don't know, man. You going to make us drink on top?

I can't know, man. You're going to make us drink on top? I can't believe you. If you don't pick one, we got to drink. If you say both, we got to drink. If you say both, we got to drink. Please don't do that. Don't do us like that. Pick one.

I ain't mad if you do both. Pick one. I'm going to go with Jay-Z if I got to, but it's really hard. It's really hard to pick. You know what? Let me tell you something, right? Y'all can fill this drink. I'm gonna tell you a story.

Real quick, a quick story. I ain't gonna drag it. When I was trying to get an album out, I knew Jay was coming up with Ain't No Nigga and all that. And I was at this girl house and uh, I Was she's like Jay is nice. I think his first I mean come out. He's like I like Jay Z. I'm like better than Nas She like yeah, and I'm like nah nah nah nah you buggin you buggin you like Nas is the nigga Nas You're buggin. She like Kim listen, when I go to the club, I don't want to bring a dictionary with me.

You know what I'm saying? I just want to have a party and have a good time. And that's that. I don't want to have to think so much. And I was like, I kept that in mind for when I went forward. I'm like, you know, certain shit you could get deep on, but certain people you got to dumb it down for as well, too.

You know what I'm saying? That's what singles are for. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? um i always kept that in mind moving forward when she said that but it's only reason i would pick jay-z over nas and like i said nas to me is a supreme lyricist it's just that you know i would say if i'm in the club you could play more jay shit in the club you know i'm saying but if i'm driving thinking you probably want to listen to Nas more. You know what I'm saying? So that's the only reason.

But it's a trick question. You know what I'm saying? Do you consider yourself a lyricist? Like when you think about it. I could be. You know what I'm saying? But sometimes I dumbed it down too because it's like. But coming in, you was coming in on some pen shit.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. A hundred percent. Okay. Unordained. Unord 100%. Unordained. Unordained? Dame Dash? Yes. Dame Dash.

Okay. This is pretty easy. All right. This is going to be easy as well. Mase or Jewels? I'm going to pick Jewels. But you can't take away what Mase did as well. You know what I'm saying? But definitely Jewels. They both got two, three You know what I'm saying? But definitely Dwells.

They both got two, three albums, but I'm always going to pick Dwells. But you don't want to take away what Mase, because people still fuck with him, fuck with his music. Whether I fuck with Mase or not, I probably once a week, once a month, still listen to Been Around the World remix.

You know what I'm saying? I love that song. Okay. This is where I think we fucked up. Biggie or Big L? I'm going to go with Big L because I knew him more personally, and I knew what he did. I'm not saying what Biggie did for the world.

It's kind of like the Un situation that we was talking about earlier. They was close to him, and I was close to Big L. But I don't think Big L really got the shot that he, the fair shot that he deserved, but I'm not going to sit there and, you know, Big E's definitely like a world-renowned top MC considered, you know what I'm saying? I fuck around and say Big E and go to Lennox and get hit over my head for not seeing Big L, you know? And you potentially are like what Big Al would have been on Rockefeller. Right.

Because he was supposed to know. Did you see that clip where Big Al bigged us up? He's like, yo, I want to do what Cam and Norrie is doing. 1998 was a fucking great year. Right, 100%. Did you see that clip where Big Al was like bigging us up? Nah, I didn't see it. I'll send it to you.

I'll send it to you. It's dope. It was me, you, I think me, I see. I'll send it to you. It's dope. It's me, you, I think me, you, DMX, like the top three dudes at the time. And Big L was like right before... Big L was one of the best to do it. And he bigged us up. He was like, yo, I love the way that they doing it. Okay, but moving on, RK.

LeBron or Jordan? Jordan. You're very easy, man. Boss. Independent or major? Independent. Mm, man, look at you. You losing so far. I'm dumb, man. Boss. Independent or major? Independent. Man, look at you. You're losing so far.

I'm done. If we were saying... Yeah, I've been losing. Harlem World times Children of the Corn. Children of the Corn. Okay, Moet or Ace? We got to be politically correct. No, you don't have to be politically correct. You can go with what you want. I drink Moet.

Okay, cool. I sent you a click on the other day, too. Yeah, exactly. It's Clico, right? It's Clico, but it's Rich, the new rosé shit. I'm about to say, I'm going to fuck with the ace now that it's available.

Yes, that's right. Every time they don't have it in the store sometimes. Right, right. I told this motherfucker that. He don't know. All right. Who's bitching it up? The guy.

I be like, what you got my wife and your shit for? Listen, man, I went to the store. There was nothing. There was nothing left. Okay, this should be also easy. Miami or L.A.? Miami. I knew that.

Okay, respect or loyalty? Loyalty. That's dope. Okay, Lil' Kim or Fosse Brown? Damn. Three. Shut up, man. Um... Yeah, that's a tough one. That's tough.

You want us to drink? I would say... Yeah, I'm going to say both. All right. All right. Salute. Salute. Salute.

Let's load up another shot, because I think he's going to do the same on this one. I'm not going to be saying both the whole time. That's why I introduced my man. I thought you wasn't saying both of you looking out for me. I would have said both to Jay-Z and Nas too if I knew we could say both. If you say both, we got a straight. All right, cool. I take that. So the hang is going to fold across the board. We definitely not starting over.

All right. Chicago or Ohio? Both. All right. That's super bold. Yeah. You're getting me back, man. Both.

All right. You know his name. Damn. Slowed up, man. Beanie Seagull or Jadakiss? Oh, man. I'm just going to drink this one. Both.

Both. All right. You know his name. Damn. Slowed up, man. Beanie Seagull or Jada Kiss? Oh, man. I'm just going to drink this one. Both. All right. No, I'm going to go with Kiss, though.

Okay. Yeah. We from New York. We from New York. All right. Yeah. I think you're definitively going to pick this, too. No limit or cash money?

That's a tough one. Yeah. That's tough. You got or cash money? That's a tough one. That's tough. I'm going to go with both because you know what? Master P Both? Both. Master P could have signed cash money. You know what I'm saying?

I think that when Master P started getting commercial, no limit picked up right where they left. I, No Limit picked up right where they left, I mean, poor me, Cash Money picked up right where No Limit left off when they started doing a lot of commercial shit. We taking a shot to that. All right.

But P paved the way. I'm gonna load myself up. I feel like you're gonna go both on this one, too. I'm just gonna go double. Just go with the bottle now. Just Blaze or Kanye? Nah, I think you going to pick. I don't know. I think I know who you're going to pick.

They both good, man. Holy shit. Both good. I'm going to pick somebody for you. I would say Kanye because he got more. I like Just Shit too. Just is a defender. It's very rare Just plays beats

I don't like Every time he plays Some shit I think he know What I want to hear So I I can't even remember The time I tell him

To skip past a record Or if he plays beats Yeah I'm confused Yeah but he said Kanye but he said I'm telling you For my personal liking

But I'm just You know I'm being Not being biased Because Kanye make beats For himself He make beats For other people. He rap over his own fucking beats.

I remember that was a big thing when he got to Rockefeller. He be like, you want to keep the shits for yourself? You know what I'm saying? When he started rapping, he be like, yo. So now the heat going to be for yourself. So I'm going to say Kanye. Of course, he's an artist as well. And this is the last one of them both.

I do not know what you're going to pick on this one. The locks or state property? I'm going to say both. I'm going to say both. You already went Jada. You might as well just gone locks already. No, you know why?

Because state property, state property, locks, of course, are from New York, and I love, you know, chic styles, and J.D. and my niggas, too. But you gotta,

can't underestimate the movement with state property. Not necessarily the movement, the clothes, you know, everything else, but they got a lot of, a lot of,

they might got more, like, club shit than the locks. You know what I'm saying? That Petey Crack shit, even Freeway. I remember he was looking for a single and he's playing me his album. I'm like, you got a single right here.

They just be singing. I said, tell Dame I said make this a single to this shit with Beanie and Jay-Z. You play that shit in the club, that shit niggas go crazy, yo. That shit niggas go crazy off that record. I think they got more like in the club shits, but Locke's got a bunch of shit too.

I'ma just say both so y'all can try. Yeah, we already took the shot. We already took the shot. It would've been fucked up if you'd changed your mind. Yeah. Because we already took the shot. But man, yo, all right. So I got to ask you this question straight up.

Because I believe Nick Cannon said something to you. You said something to Nick Cannon. And you was like, yo, tell the family I'm good. It finally felt like he was trying to say you smashed Mariah. I'm not sure. I just got to ask straight up. Mariah just my friend. All right.

That's very generic. And another thing is, me and Nick, we was fucking around on Instagram and shit going back and forth. He tried to make fun of my pink coat when I'm holding the shit. But I put up a clip of Mariah, like, caressing me with it. You know what I'm saying? I was like, yo. That's that Harlem jokes, man. Talking raw.

But one thing I will say about Nick Cannon, and we haven't seen each other, but he gave me some props on the radio a few years ago. That nigga gets to the bag. That nigga gets to the bag. The homie. He gets to the clean bag. Yeah, yeah.

He gets to the bag. That nigga gets up and hustles. And he fucked a lot of bad bitches. Like, y'all call Nick Cannon corny, all that shit you want. That nigga gets to the bag. fucked a lot of bad bitches like y'all corn the can and corny all that shit you want and it gets to the bag you fucked all these bad bitches and the nigga gets to the is a turpent there's a turban is the other shit the tur. That's a turpent? The shit where he got like, I gotta go with this shit. That shit ain't, I don't, I ain't, you know what it is. That shit right there.

You gotta be confident to do that. But so for the record, you definitely didn't smash Mariah or Minkus? I didn't say that. No, what you say? I didn't say that, bro. But you smashed a lot of people in this game, Cam, come on.

Come on, let's make some noise for Cam. You threw your dick on the crack table a lot of nights, Cam. Let's put that straight out there. Come on. If this is Dream Chance, you single. You single, you single is Dream Chance. Yo, you was, you was awesome, man. You had it.

And that's the one thing they got mad, and I'm not saying I have to ever tell you anything about my rock high, but that's the one thing they did get mad at Nick about going and telling everybody you bump, B. That nigga, oh, Kim Kardashian, yeah, fuck her, man. This bitch is Tierra Marie. And they be like, yo, chill, bro.

You want more bitches to fuck? You gotta chill. I wasn't ready for that answer. Yeah, you good. You good, man. You gotta be cool. It's good. You gotta do this.

You're gonna run and tell everything. You ain't gonna get the next bitch. Oh, my God. Since the guy with the neighbor. Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, it's one thing when you bring your own celebrity to the table, and it's another thing when I make you famous. So, real quick, because I want to get to the horsepower.

Yeah, go ahead. So, we talked about J.U. having a problem with Jay and fixing it. Let's get to the Nas thing. Right. Because I believe I'm actually in this Nas problem. Okay. Like when he went at you, he dissed me at the same time. Right.

This interview happens. He comes out. He goes, this is you. This is me. I think this is Angie Martinez, this is Nelly. This is the Step Your Lyrics? Yes.

Rant? Yeah, he went at me. And he's the first guy on my album, at the time he's my brother now, it's okay. Like you said with Jay? That's old shit. It's old shit. But you made seven, how many disc records did you make in a night? Seven?

Jesus, Christmas. Nah, it was a conscious, it was a conscious decision. It was a hard decision. Right. Cause Nas, like you said, he just got on the radio and started dissing niggas. And we big Nas fans. Super big Nas fans. So we like, damn, what the fuck is this about? Like, why is he dissing me?

But at the same time, we gaining momentum in the street too. So we was like, Nas ain't no walk in the park like Laird. You know, cause we thought we could rhyme too. So we was like, Nas ain't no walk in the park like Laird, like, you know, cause we thought we could rhyme too. But we were like, this is fucking Nas. Like the best. This is right before Ether. Yeah. This is the best rapper ever. You know what I'm saying? So we like, damn, what do we do? Do we ignore it? And niggas like, nah, you can't ignore that shit right now. So we like.

But what was his line to you? Cause he just blew up my line. He said to me. I don't Basically say hi 97 is right playing these whack niggas like Cameron and Nelly he just Nelly Yeah, he told me step my shit. Yeah, he was like yo, yo up here playing this garbage Like y'all niggas playing this garbage. He's like, I keep wanting to bring up. Yeah, he's like, y'all niggas playing this garbage up here. And I'm like, damn, what the fuck

was that about? So, normal story is we had to think and we like, damn, if we going, we going to do this. All respects, right? You just went at Jay-Z.

Leave him. Wow. This is arguably the best guy ever. And then... Or Nas too. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.

What the fuck? There's nothing in your... But everything I'm telling you, right? And this is why it's good to have this cover. Everything you're telling me, I'm telling you

or the questions you're asking are good. Because in all these stories we're talking about, did I just start anything? Did I just randomly come out of nowhere and just be this and that? See, until this Petey Crack story, we, speaking as an outsider looking in, we thought. That I was wilding.

It's really like Dane was trying to break up. One of the questions that, you know, we always do this before we do a drink chance. Well, I give somebody a clue. When you had to give somebody a clue, I didn't want to say I can't. Right. But everybody's like, yo, ask Cam straight up.

Does he think he's the reason Dame Dash and Jay-Z broke up? Right. Like... No, I know the real reason, and it ain't got nothing to me. From the outside looking in, it looks good. And I don't want to say because, well, they don't give a fuck. You know.

I don't think none of them give a fuck. My opinion is this. Everybody rich. Yeah, my opinion is this. It started when they didn't get Jay's opinion or input on trying to make me the president. He started shying away. Then from what Dame says, I don't,

you know, that's something you have to ask Jay-Z, is that he got to a point where he didn't want to break bread with Biggs no more. So Dame says. Who didn't want

to break bread? Jay-Z. Oh. Like they split, I don't know they split. I don't know if it's 50, 33, 33. I don't know if Jay

got 60, 20, 20. This is Dame's story. This is what he's saying while everything's like, oh, they don't want to break Biggs off no more. I'm like, I don't know if Jay got 60, 20, 20. This is Dame's story. This is what he's saying. Everything's like, oh, they don't want to break Biggs off no more. I'm like, I don't know. After, oh, boy, this is lit. Y'all got the cologne.

Oh, boy, we really thought y'all had cologne and shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? But you can see Jay-Z starting to distance himself. He'll be around, but he'll be, you can see it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, if a nigga come to the office five days a week. They got to be weird for y'all because OG Juan is with him who's also another Harlem guy that y'all grew up with Juan my man like Juan you saw me come to Baseline when I want this your house like not overstepping Jay-Z

So describe that situation like when you feel like Did this this situation because like I said so many people are fans of you and fans of this show that people that was the direct question that was the most direct question anything you want to talk about did you think that Cam was the direct

breakup of it so I think that's something that you have to ask Jay or Dame or whoever but me personally I just think

it's lack of communication and Jay Z wasn't not saying respected he wasn't, not saying respecting, he wasn't digging how shit was being ran when he wasn't around. That's what I think. And, you know, because Jay wouldn't,

when I got there, Jay wouldn't come to office every day. You know what I'm saying? And I don't think he necessarily liked everything that was going on in the office. You know, whether it's decisions being made without him being talked to about it or anything like that to where he probably was planning to do shit on his own before it came to light anyway but it's something you have to ask him me personally

do i think my situation played a role yeah but not purposely that i did anything right that's just the question i just think and that's why i said i didn't want to go there i just think, and that's why I said I didn't want to go there. I just think that we bought too much there to where, to where like, yo, you got state property there. And I don't want to use the word foreign in line or bleak there. And I don't want to, like I said, not foreign in line because they more considered family. But we came there, it was almost like we fuck with y'all, but we can't wait.

We got our own thing going on. Yeah, we can't wait. We don't want to wait for y'all to say, yo, this is going to, all right, cool, I'm going to go to the n wait for y'all to say, yo, this is going to, all right, cool. I'm going to go to the niggas y'all fuck with and bust these moves. Right. And this, that, and the third. And then we just got overwhelmed,

overwhelmed to where it's like, how the fuck? Like I told you, Sparks Neenus came in the office for Philly. Like, I can't get office. I remember that nigga came in one day. And then Sparks, he's a funny nigga. I liked him too, poor. That's a guy in state property

he pulled the gun out on yeah exactly he came in one day in the movie in the movie I think I felt like he was being petty again let's just pull the gun out on you

yeah Jim pulled the gun out he came in there one day cause now we rocking we got albums going on he just came in there one day nigga say yo he came in my office last. Nigga said, yo.

He came in my office. Last time he was in my office, he said, Kim, my CD done. We're marketing. We all got to go. I said. He said, promotions, anything, man. It's done. I said, you got to go talk to them down at their office.

You know what I'm saying? He said, you ain't talking to nobody. You're just doing whatever the hell you want to do. I said, it may seem like that, but it's a protocol. You know what I'm saying? Like, when the protocol is, it just walked off. Talking to himself or whatever. But you know, them niggas was all waiting for niggas in Rockville to get their shit together.

And I went through that already at Entertainment. I went through that at Epic. So I said, I'm not letting that happen again. Not nothing bad, but I know who I need to meet, who I need to talk to, where the music's going to get done, and we're going to bust a move. So I just think it was a lot moving too fast,

and niggas wasn't basically letting Jay-Z know. Like, basically, for instance, right, you run Rockefeller Records, and you hear on TV, right, that Cam's going to be the president. Like, how the fuck called me? You know what I'm saying? That's the same thing, like, with Diplomat.

Same thing, like, a random, not saying random, an artist, like, yo, we're going to make fucking J.R. Ryder the president at the time. Like, yo, who said said that I didn't say that if this is supposed to be my label you get what I'm saying so I think it was

like a lack of communication you know what I'm saying you left a lot off my shoulders you killed that god damn let's make some noise for that so look when you say I've mentioned this on drink champs before when you say, I've mentioned this on Drink Champs before, when you say, and I'm paraphrasing,

when the fuck we start bouncing, when the fuck New York start bouncing, is that what you say on that lyric? That's my second album. No, no, yeah, so what are you talking about? That's definitely a shot at Jay, that's definitely a shot. Was it? Yeah, I was hoppin'.

It seemed like it, but. Yeah, who were you talking to? He had bounce with me, bounce with me. Okay. I'm not going to say it wasn't. It might have been. It might have been. I don't know.

But I can't recall. That was a wild time. This is what I'm asking. But you weren't anything, anybody specific at the time when you wrote that? No, he's talking about Jay-Z. It's true.

I ain't going to say it. Let him speak for himself. I don't remember. That song came out in 1999. I'm not going to say I wasn't. I'm not saying, you know, I got a whole record dissing Jay-Z. You did. Yeah, so I'm not gonna say I was, I don't remember if I did or didn't. Because it feel like you saw the future of New York.

New York after that was bouncing. Okay. Right? I'm not gonna say yes or no. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying New York after that. Making your sense sound good. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna take to say yes or no. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. You have to say yes or no. Yeah, I'm going to take your word for it.

So, moving on. 50. You know, 50 was cool. You even just said earlier that Horse and Carriage, 50 told you that he was actually in that pool. Right. Where did you guys go wrong? I didn't see that. What happened was, you know,

so basically, Jimin went over to Koch Records, and we started doing a lot of business with Koch Records, and Koch was a label that wasn't that popular at the time. You know what I'm saying? So 50 started,

and B&W was the only biggest artist there at the time. They had a bunch of niggas who wasn't popping. They used to like, they want to go in a bag. A lot of people called it, was it Koch? Was it Lanspeed? Lanspeed was before and then they became Koch. When I got there, we was Koch. It was Koch, okay.

No, they became Koch. Okay, I thought it was, but that is Lanspeed, correct? They used to be Lanspeed. Right. In Boston. I didn't even know that. But like, so when we got to, well, now we, Jim probably did that whole deal for himself. He seen,

they didn't want to sign Jim. Because you said that you brung Jewels. Yeah, but they didn't, I brought Jim too, they didn't want to sign him. Okay. But Jim wasn't going to wait,

neither. Jim started doing his own thing, moving around everywhere. So he came to me, he's like, yo, Kosh want to fuck me. I'm like,

bet, we can get the deal. So, Kosh had a bunch of old artists, they was ready to go in an old bag, and pull out all that old money money and spend it on new talent. And if it coincided with the same time we was doing our shit at Def Jam, it was perfect. So, when we started, I brought other artists over there, Duke Da God and other artists I was dealing with.

So, 50s on the radio saying that it's the graveyard for rappers. You know, he's like, that's the graveyard. Niggas over there, they go over there to die. You know, he's like, that's the graveyard. You know, niggas over there, they go over there to die. You know what I'm saying? So we just took offense to it because we like, yo, who else you talking about? Like, nobody been talking about Kotz for us

since we know, because I didn't even know about him until Jim told me about him. Yeah, but they used to be Lansby. That's the reason why he was talking about, oh, I didn't know you didn't know that. No, I didn't know that. So when he was saying, he didn't say Lansby, he said Koch. He was in Bob Perry's office or Alan Grumlock's office?

Alan Grumlock. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, so we was going through it, and then I just got on the phone, and we just went back and forth with it, but I just took offense to, Koch was like our home too, as far as Def Jam and everything else.

We took Koch like that was our crib. Like, we used to go in there Wow like Zeke always Tell me about how I'm getting it. I'm doing something. But it's okay. I like you. You might be using your own shops and shit like that. That's right. In North Carolina, right? You out there

doing your shit. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. So when you finish your shit, let's go keep going. No, I was just saying that. He could tell he's around for that.

So 50 goes on the radio. You call in? I don't remember, but probably so probably a number of we was in Koch

when he was dis-in-Koch okay yeah so I called in and we just started like yo why you coming

cause to me it wasn't coming at Koch it was coming at us because who gives a

fuck about Michael Koch and no disrespect to Michael Koch that's my man or Alan Grumblack why randomly

just diss them niggas if they was Lanspeed or if they was whoever else and why all of a sudden when we here

it's diss them so that's how I took it at the time now how many projects you had at that time at what Koch it was Jim Jim

Hellrell I was trying to get they rushed to dealing this son that baby grandma son But Duke the guy was doing all the albums there and his shit turnton compilations of all of us So he will have Jewel songs. He would have Jim songs. He have my songs. He obviously songs He'll have everything but we was putting instead of the mixtapes genius, right?

Yeah, that is genius. So once we was doing stopped doing the mixtapes. You released them officially. We started releasing them at Koch officially. And that's how all our shit, and we'll put them under Duke the God name so he like hosts the tapes. But all the mixtapes became money because we was releasing them all at Koch. Wow. That was the game at that point.

Yeah, y'all changed the fucking game. God damn it, god damn it. Do you know how influential you are yeah I mean it's some real shit like I don't know what the fuck pink horsepower is but I'm about to take a shot of that oh my god a case for you don't take a shot right now but I'm going home take a shot of that. Oh, no, I got a case for you. Don't take a shot right now, bud. No, no, no. I'm going home in a second, nigga. I got my time limit. I'm about to say, you know, it's all natural

from Africa, straight up, it ain't no gas, they supposed to know nothing, but... Hold on, we didn't introduce Pink Power at all. So, when you say it's from Africa, people that's listening, because we got a big audience that listen. It's Pink Horsepower. And they can't watch this right now. All the drunk drivers out there, so describe basically pink horse powers it's an all-natural supplement similar to cialis similar to viagra uh it's tree bark it's roots leaves all made in um i don't want

to say ghana but it's a part of africa and we brought it over here so that you know if you need a little help in the bedroom you don't have to take a gas station pill you don't want to say Ghana, but it's a part of Africa. And we brought it over here so that, you know, if you need a little help in the bedroom, you don't have to take a gas station pill. You don't have to take something from the pharmacy. You can take something all natural, and it's really going to work. Which a man was telling you he is right. That shit working like 15 minutes. Don't take it around nobody that you don't want to be around when it's time to take it. How do you do about that?

You want to take it right now like a shot. You're going crazy right now, bro. I got to get away, man. You're going to hit it, man. You're going to suck it up. It's not one of them things you can say. Ken already told me what it is. No, what I'm saying is it's not one of them shit

that you can be like, I'm going to let it chill in my system and I'll wait like five minutes. You're not going to take it with your dog. Let's stop. Let's stop, because what we thought is like Tiger Bones. See, Tiger Bones, you could sip it and you would still chill. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You don't walk around with that shit down. I love the Tiger Bones. You talk about that, you knocking shit down. Like 20- Family pictures you would- Woo-woo! Yeah, yeah. Sissy on this, Kimmy Wall-E, you can't be regular with that.

Nah, nah. My man Suge was here- So you telling me you slinging legal ecstasy right now? Suge took this, my man Suge, and told me he had to hop out the car because he's in his car with his wife. Oh, okay. So you're telling me you slinging legal ecstasy right now? Suge took this, my man Suge, and told me you had to hop out the car cuz he's in his car with his mother

They wasn't right Look it too early And you got all your moms in the car Well, I'm trying to tell you is it ain't mental. It's going to work. Your sister's horse on it, man. That's all you need to know. Power.

It ain't about that's what I'm trying to tell you. Your man is, your man is trying to tell you, don't take it because you're going to be like, yeah. Just got a shot. Yeah, my nigga. This is shit. Take that right from you right now. Let's just be clear.

You remember the RX Pills, the blue RX Pills? Mm-hmm. Niggas don't remember those? Exactly. I was the first. I was the first. I was the first. You remember the Rx pills? The blue Rx pills? Mm-hmm. Niggas don't remember those? I was the first. I was the first. I was the first. First to the first.

I can tell this nigga. First to the first. Listen, you ain't fuck with the Rx pills? I was the first. I was the first. We got pressed after the Rx pills. Yeah. See, you got, you went a little buff.

Yeah, yeah. I went with horny goat weed after the Rx pills. This is, no, this is not it? No, just pass that. You know what niggf. Yeah, yeah. I went with horny goat weed after the orange. This is not it? No, just pass that. You know what niggas using now is honey. Everybody going honeys. Natural honey you can pour on your teeth. Look at some men.

You put honey on your joints? Look at this nigga. Do you see my nigga's sneakers? You better co-sign this nigga. Do you see his sneakers, kid? Look up, please. Look at my camera. It's my main camera.

This nigga getting too much money to do this. Come on, kid. Stand up. You ain't recognize me? This thing is Yo, what's your name homie You know what? I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. He not a nigga no homo that Eddie Murphy told him about on text. Those are custom made by Geppetto. Geppetto made those jerseys, man. What is that? Babe 8? Is that Babe?

Yeah. Babe and Clark? They collaboration failed. Babe and Clark. Let's just be clear. You know, a lot of niggas we wanted to do a collaboration. Babe, Babe, and Clark, it didn't work. This continued. You know why those niggas out there? This continued. This continues. You know why you're working? collaboration baby Clark it didn't work. That collaboration didn't work, yeah.

I can't believe you. This is great. This is so great. Holy moly guacamole. Okay. Boom. The only time I was glad that we got, you know, but the only time I ever been disappointed in you, you told me it was disappointing to me.

Right. Only time I ever was disappointed in you, when you and Jim was beefing. Mm-hmm. I didn't understand it, I couldn't get it. How was that, how was that for you, like when y'all fell out for like, it was 12 minutes, it to me.

Nah, it's like, you know, if you ever look at it, when then Jim was upset for me for whatever the 50 million times he's been upset me, I never dissed Jim, I never fought back, I never did a song, I never fed into that, because that's my brother, I know he might be emotional, Jim's a real emotional guy, so, you ain't never hear no diss record, you never heard I played Jim or nothing like that.

Only thing I ever did was when he went on Funkmaster Flex and was saying that I didn't come to shows or anything like that. I did a live, you know, rebuttal and what he said. But I've never dissed Jim ever to this day. So it may seem like we going through it or whatever from his end or whatever, but you can't find nothing of me dissing Jim nowhere. I would never diss him. But it's just your fallout period out period I was just like I didn't like it. But that's my point. I loved y'all so much and I wasn't around. He'll fall out with me but I know him I know he's upset for the minute so

I don't know y'all like how y'all know each other for us. So like I've never really dissed Jim ever. Like I said, I did one thing, you know, to correct a few things that I thought was wrong when he did the Funk Flex interview. But I know he was really upset at the time. So I was like, let me just clear a couple of things up. So, but I've never dissed Jim. It's nowhere you could find where I'd be like me dissing Jim nowhere. So when he's upset, I just know he's passionate about what he do he wears his heart on his sleeve you know and everything like that

but I already know after a while it's going to wear down and we're going to be good again so that's why I never really said nothing you can't pull nothing up with me dissing him right no no I'm just saying this is a discrepancy period yeah absolutely because I love seeing y'all together so much.

And that's what I know from y'all. You know what I'm saying? I know y'all from kind of the beginning. I know y'all before y'all even called us up. All these stories we spoke about today, and I'm not putting Jim in it because that's my family. It's no story where I started with nobody.

I'm glad we got to clear it up on your show because anytime I wanted somebody, you came to me first. I felt like you did. Did we clarify the 50 Cent thing? Yeah, we just did. He came at Koch. Yeah.

Oh, that's right. You did say that. You clarified that. Okay. I was just saying that nobody else was on Koch to just randomly discuss. It wasn't like Mobb Deeper got there yet or anybody else that got there.

We was the only ones there, so if it was Lanspeed or KOTCH or whoever it was, it was like, why diss them out the blue? For what? These days, it's the graveyard for rappers. We the only rappers there right now. A separate Mase. It kind of felt like he was picking on Mase a little bit.

Okay, but at the end of the day, I just told you he kept hitting me in my ribs like this 16 different times. Yeah, that nobody even knows about that he's saying. Yeah, like at the end of the day, I just told you he kept hitting me in my ribs like this 16 different times. Yeah, that nobody even knows about that he's saying. Yeah, like I said, these stories, because it'd be a hundred different stories. I get called the same way we call Petey Crack. I call 899,

the cosine sheet. You believe in cameras? No, I'm just telling you. That shit Petey Crack just said, it was verbatim for what I said. I'm going to just tell you the facts. I'm going to tell you exactly what happened. That shit, Petey Crack just said it verbatim. It was. It was. I'm going to just tell you the facts. I'm going to tell you exactly what happened.

So it may seem like I'm picking on him, but if somebody keep poking you, if somebody keep kicking you under the table at dinner. Because he made this diss record. Was you surprised when he made that diss record? I was proud of him. Oh shit. That's just gangster. Yeah, I'm proud of you. I was proud of oh shit

Like fucking to be honest felt like Denzel and training day when the nigga I'm a killer He's a good guy. I see something in him. I know. Yeah, that part. Yo, I ain't gonna lie to you, that might have been the gay-seriousest response I ever heard. That is funny as fuck, bro. Holy moly, guacamole. I wasn't ready. It is. I'm sorry about that. I wasn't ready.

I've never been this shocked right now. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. Holy moly, guacamole. But putting it all together to see even you guys together right now, you know how hard it is to have a 20-year relationship in this fucking business? It's a fact. Absolutely, 100%.

Like so many crews you see from 20 years ago, they don't have three of the same members for the same members that's around so me seeing y'all brothers together man like I remember doing shows with y'all Mike lady I mean you said you said something on this other guys TV one time so the guys platform you know I'm talking about I don't say guys thanks you said it earlier. And you described a show with Mike Lighty.

You remember? The time where, oh, they tried to get that killer. Oh. Yes, is that the same time? I think I went there early because this was the shit back in the day. You actually was the reason why we went crazy. Yeah, because I went there early. This was the shit back in the day.

You actually was the reason why we went crazy. Yeah, because I went there early. I got paid early. Everyone wanted to go. I remember this story because everyone wanted to headline the show. I was like, fuck that. Let's go early because I know these niggas. I did a show with these niggas before. They ain't got the bread. So I go on there. I opened up. They were like, yo nigga, you platinum. I'm like, fuck it, I open up. It's just a glatt, let's go.

I did a show, give me my money. And then I run, and Freaky's like, yo, where you going? I said, yo, yeah, I got paid. He said, wait a minute. I said, y'all supposed to come early. And then I didn't know from then, and I read, I saw on the interview that you did, he was like, y'all came and It was

They have our money next thing you know they try to some big tall Diggas came it was red cafe and I'm niggas Yeah and uh Oh, that's what that was. The franchise. It was called the franchise. Okay. Yeah. I didn't know. And they came out, I guess, protecting Mike Lighty, because we were like, give us our money. And they had a lot of niggas with them. They had like 40 niggas.

And they surrounded me, because big Jim and Black Adon went inside, beefing like, yo, give us our fucking money. And they walked out like, uh-oh. And then like 40 niggas followed them around, and they surrounded me like, can you be for a bunch of money? And the nigga yapped my chain. Word. I never heard this.

Yeah. I did a song about it. It's called, Dead or Alive. Oh, it turned out crazy. They just yapped the chain, though. Yeah, just typing Dead or Alive. I tell the whole story on there. Wow, I didn't know that.

I was on this show. I ain't gonna lie, like I said, I just went, got paid, and left. So they yapped my chain, and my man just... I didn't know this. See what I'm saying?

Niggas think I'm like, I didn't know this. Look at what I'm doing. I knew this. I don't know this. It turned out bad for them. I know. I really know this.

It turned out good for this show. Let's do it. But now, nigga, yapped my chain, and then my man just came out. I ain't gonna say his name, because he gonna get chain, and then my man just came out. I ain't going to say his name because he's going to get mad at me anyway. He fucking came out popping

and pistol-whipped the nigga who took my chain and took his chain and got my chain back, and then we left, and then we like fucking Mike Lighty, man. This nigga got us going all this shit for... You actually made a song, too. We was just through that night. Yeah.

It's called Devil Laugh. Oh, my holy moly guacamole? Yeah. But this is some great stories right here. But I didn't know, I didn't know that period until I seen you describe that story. It was like, yo, because you said, I exactly did exactly what you said.

You said, I seen Nori and Nori and not because what happened was I kept telling me, yo, you want to talk with everybody hot. They're going to come late. Don't fuck with that late. You ain't going to get paid like so. We were supposed to come in. I showed up at six like I'm ready. I perform for the 60 people here. I killed it. I showed up at 6 like I'm ready But you know what it was back then we wanted to headline so all of us sort of late right So I had took advantage of being like, you know people showing up late and you know a certain time We thought we was headliners, but that was that was crazyliners. But that was crazy when I heard your record to it. Right.

So, what's your favorite era in hip-hop, Kent? My favorite era? I mean, it depends on, like, as a professional or just a hip-hop fan. Hip-hop fan. You know, whichever. Yeah, it's pretty much both. I'll take a shot for that too. All right, you pretty much wanna get me drunk, Cam?

It's okay. I like, it's a lot of shit. You know, you gotta realize when I was a child, you know, 11, 12, 13 years old, you got people who I wanted to be like and dress like and, you know, I remember going to Canal Street and get a chain because EPMD had a link, or buying a fisherman hat because EPMD had a fisherman hat.

Or loving, you know, I used to love Nice and Smooth. You know, Smooth being Greg Nice and fucking Job Call Quest and Granddaddy IU and fucking, you know. You didn't say Granddaddy-I-you. They just say they kind of sneak that on me. Yeah, granddaddy-I-you. Yo, fucking granddaddy-I-you. I follow granddaddy on the Gram.

He got a Gram? Yeah. Oh, definitely a foul nigga. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. I thought he was all, like, on Space Mask. Nah, that's a good call. What the fuck?

Space Mask. What's that shit on? Leave me alone. Ain't no Space Mask. What's that shit? MySpace alone. Ain't no space mask. What's this shit? My space. Space mask.

Nah, his granddaddy got a page. But you know what I'm saying. I knew a girl named Kenya from West Virginia. Boy, would I like this dick. Southern lander. Come on, nigga. That made me want to be a rapper. That line, that line off top.

When I heard that, I want to be a rapper. Yeah, like that nigga was nice. That line, that line off top. When I heard that, I said, wait a minute. Kenya West Virginia? Yeah, that's the song, Madda at the Mall. At the Mall? Yeah, that's the name of the song. You remember that Virginia Mall?

Early in the 98? Which one? It was like, I forget what it was like I was like forget what his call Well, you know, oh, yeah 1998 is that not your favorite? Yeah, yeah No, no, what was it? Say oh to probably my old boy cuz I got all my niggas on Everybody had a deal cuz I feel like you had horse and carriage when I had super thug hmm I feel like I had Grammy when

you had I forget what else like everything and everything. And, oh boy, and I had Homeboy. And I felt, that was so great. You know, we did a Pay the Fall tour. Yeah, I remember. Yeah, absolutely. Remember that? But, like, probably 03, like, just being able to have all my niggas on with a deal, whether they had an album out at the time or anything like that,

it was just a a that's like a it was some bucket shit list to get off me to get make sure Jim had a deal, Juelz had a deal and... It was a sign of freaky. Zeke went to jail and he went to jail when he came home from jail

it was dope that I had a car ready for him and a crib and condo and all that shit ready and cash and then he eventually ended up getting, then I get, when he came from jail, I got him a deal at asylum, you know what I'm saying? But I had everything, like, those were my favorite years when I was able to help the

crew out. And this is after O'Board, this is 03, 04, you said? 03 is when the diplomat album came out, Juelz album came out 03 or 04 so I felt good. Zeke was in jail. He came out like 07, 08. Got him a deal 08.

Now I'm 07. Oh, yeah. Whenever he came out, got him a deal. I like that shit. Two days later. Yeah. I remember. I got a two-part question for you.

But I remember me looking at your face at one point when Cam and Jewel's, I when Cam and Jim wasn't seeing eye to eye. And me just looking at your face. I forget what it was. It was through the internet. It was through the internet. And I remember that might have been one of the most stressed times of your life. It wasn't. At first, I couldn't understand it.

Because we've been tight before rap. Like, this nigga Cam, we'll buy a sandwich. Cam will buy a sandwich. And that was it. Cam had the sandwich. So we were getting to try to get a piece. Cam was spit on the sandwich. You know what I'm saying? It was like... I understand his analogy, my brother. Ah! Ah! Ah!

And it didn't matter. You know what I'm saying? Like, he give us a piece, and he got that way. So that's how close we was. So when I get out of jail, ah, and it didn't matter. You know what I'm saying? Like, give us a piece, and he got that way. So that's how close we was. So when I get out of jail, like, then you hear this person did this and that person did that, but I just couldn't gather what was going on because I'm like, I saw what he did this,

or whatever their point was of not wanting to interact with each other. I couldn't believe it, but then I seen it was going on. I think I was on, I don't know if I was on it. I went somewhere with Jim, and I'm thinking, I'm rectifying, I wanted to rectify the situation, because these niggas, I love these niggas.

Like, that's it. I ain't gonna tell, I'm sorry to cut you off, but I want to big you up. I can tell everybody, you would have heard this out of everybody, in my opinion. I could be wrong. You could look at me and say, nah, I know these niggas are going to get it back together.

But at one point, it really seemed like ugly. It really seemed irreparable. I didn't understand it. You know what I mean? Because I love both of them niggas. You know what I'm saying? Like hands down. You know what I mean? When they say what you bring to the table and all that, I put my soul out in it. You know what I mean? It wouldn't be a time

if something was going on. If it's over, it's over. You know what I mean? That wouldn't be a time if something was going on. If it's over, it's over. You know what I mean? That's how I ran with D-Wrek. That's how I still run. You know what I mean? Because it was for y'all. It's more y'all.

But the forefront is for y'all. Zeke, Jewel, Cam, Jim, right? Yeah. But then y'all got Fashion. Y'all got Tito, my man, from back in the days. Then you got a song we told my Tito, Try to Stab, Shook, Ignite. That was hard. I love that.

Shooter, put me on. You got all these people. So, but you, as like the artist that wasn't the artist, how much pressure was that on the fans when the fans were seeing you? Not really, Kim. I don't know if you remember this, but I wanted to be. Cam was like, look, anybody can't do anything. You know what I'm saying? So when Rockefeller was going on, he was like, look, Cam, just go every day.

Get up in there and go speak to them. Then he's all up in the cubicles. You know what I mean? So every time if they finished a session, 6 in the morning, I'm up there up there like I mentioned Sherry before I'm up there talking to Sherry I mean every cue for marketing promoting just being a face if they wasn't there or I'll just be up in there So that's I took that as what I needed to do at the time, you know I'm saying But if Kim actually do something, you know, I'm a spin of a verse or a hook I'm excuse me more so a hook of anybody. I mean, excuse me, more so a hook of anything. You know what I mean?

But there's a lot of underground shit that Fu Freaky was doing, you know what I'm saying? But he's keeping everything alive. You were jumping on conference calls, on the street team conference calls, too. Yeah. Because I was doing the Def Jam street team out here. He asked you how you felt about him

and the men's journalists. No, I told you what he was doing. All right, let me answer the question for him. I'm just telling you because know. I know you was upset. I was. All right, let me ask you a question. He was, he was, I'm just telling you, because you saw that going to the car, like, we going to play? Yeah. It's all good, boss. No, no, I'm saying is, Z, me and Jim wasn't speaking.

Z can do shit like be next to me and put Jim on the phone and be like, yo, what are you doing? Let me just be clear. Me and Capone have the same situation. Like, sometimes when you together with somebody that close, you're just going to have a situation. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

We can both be right and both be wrong. No, what I'm saying is, Zeke, to answer Zeke, for Zeke, Zeke was mad. You know, he's being politically correct the way he's doing it. Not mad at either one of us, mad at the situation.

Because he would be next to me or next to Jim and be like, yo, my man want to talk to you. And I'd be like, who this? And then it'd be Jim and we'd both be like, yo, come on, man. And then he'd say on the phone away like it ain't time. So he was trying to fix the problem from day one, from the very, very beginning.

He was trying to fix it, whether I was ready to fix it or Jim was ready to fix it or not. He was always there trying to fix the problem. And like he was about to say earlier, because basically to me what he wanted to tell you is that he wanted his credit for all them old boy songs and Hey Ma songs because he sat in Michael Kaiser's office

every day for three months and basically told Mike Kaiser, you leave when I want you to leave or I'll be here tomorrow, or whatever. And Oh Boy and Hey Ma became eventually the number one spun records in Def Jam history, whether it's Beastie Boys, I.O.Q.J., 3 3rd Bass, whoever you want, even Jay-Z,

at the time, before Kanye started breaking the records. Those records were the number one spun records in Def Jam history. And being that Zeke sat in Michael Kaiser's office every day at radio, and then when Haymar came out and crossed over, he sat in Ken Lane's, that's the Z100 stations, every day for months,

putting pressure, nice pressure, that them records became the best records in Def Jam history. So he is responsible for those records. Are we saying we're making some noise for Zeke right now? Yeah, that's what we're saying. I think that's what he wanted to do. Listen to him.

I think that's what he was trying to get out. He was like, I'm going to get this out before we wrap this up. Let niggas know that them songs basically, not saying they wasn't good music, but it was a little elbow grease used for us to get the song playing. You worked the machines. Yeah. So I got one more question,

and I got three more questions from my nephew. My nephew is, he, that nigga know. My nigga listen to me. The one I met? Yes. That's my nigga. When me and you wasn't speaking, and we wasn't communicating,

my nigga was like, nah, just chill. That's how Cam is. What, this nigga don't know you? This nigga never met you? He telling me, like chill. I like that nigga. He like, yo, chill, slob. Cam is fly like that.

Some songs he just done. I'm supposed to speak to certain people for certain times. How are you breaking down a nigga you've never met? So I'm going to give you a couple of questions. But here's, I just want to get to this, right? Internet, we all got Twitter, we all got Jewels get locked up.

There's this song that come out with Jewels, right? People are pointing their fingers saying, man, they gotta be talking about Jewels, right? I mean, they gotta be talking about Jewel I mean Cam they gotta be talking about Cam

let's just be clear you just said that to me earlier I can ask you anything yeah absolutely 100%

definitely this song comes out I'm a journalist now you don't even know me this is the first week you know me as a journalist

like you know these people are hitting me and they're saying look Norby Jewel is going ass live a journalist, like you know, these people are hitting me and they're saying, look Norrie, Juelz is going ass live. I'm not a gossip reporter, I don't report it or nothing, but being that you're here, I have to ask that question.

Absolutely. There's this record that comes out where Juelz is in jail or prior, and it seems like he's coming at you did you hear this record do you know what I'm talking about yeah I know exactly okay so what what happened in that situation well Jules was in jail when the record basically I guess his girlfriend and his brother put the record out the album I put out a mixtape album or something while he's in jail and so basically um I heard a record.

Sounds like it's about me, this and me. But I'm not dissing Jim or Jewels. I'm just not dissing them on the records or talking about them publicly or whatever. If y'all mad at me, cool. I'm just not ever going to do that. But his girl called me, and she explained to me. And I ended up speaking to Jewel, and Jewel said that basically it's supposed to be two sides of it,

so when me and him wasn't speaking, that was his point of view, and he said he wrote my point of view, he said instead of me him saying how I felt he wanted me to write how he felt when niggas wasn't speaking so he actually made this in jail?

no he had songs in his computer he doesn't make no music in jail I guess Joel got 2 million songs in his computer

I don't know why he put them out Suda the Don just told me that yeah so basically that particular song he was saying it wasn't supposed this is what he said that it wasn't supposed to go on his album put them out. Suda Dawn just told me that. Yeah, so basically that particular song, he was saying that it wasn't supposed,

this is what he said, that it wasn't supposed to go on his album because he wanted me to do a verse on how he felt during that era when he was mad at me or I was mad at him or whatever. And I told him, you know, this when he got out of jail, we had this conversation.

And I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that because it's just confusing the fans. They don't know if this is today. They don't know if this is old. I don't really get it, but I understood the concept. It would have been dope if it was a few years ago. Presidentship. Yeah, but I just didn't feel there was a purpose for that.

But that's what he told me. I mean, L is cool, too. I just spoke to L yesterday, so we good. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. So let me get to one- L is cool too. I just spoke to L yesterday. So we good. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. So let me get to one of my nephew's questions. He wants to know, when you look at the free bands change, change. You know what I'm talking about?

I know exactly what you're talking about. My nephew feel like... This thing's- I respect it though. I respect it. I feel like- You know what this nigga's nephew told me? His nephew told me, he said, I couldn't afford a chain,

and I wanted to be dipset so bad that he said it took me three days to saw off the eagle that's on a basketball trophy. He said I sawed it for three days and bought a little rope and put it on there, B. This nigga, this nigga, this nigga, he know, listen, he know anything about this.

Yeah, I respect that. Oh, shit, he fucked up. He gonna be mad. But, so he's like, yo, Freebanz. And he actually sent me a picture. He ain't playing. He like, asked the y'all what what do you feel about free bands, Jane? I mean, it's all good, to be honest with you, my man Chubby, baby, that's our family, you know what I'm saying?

I'm gonna let you call right back. Yes. Hold on, hold on. Cam ain't fucking with you, he left, man. Nah, he right here. Yeah, what up, bro? What's good, my nigga? How you doing? You all right?

That's on. That's on. My nigga right there. That's what's up, B. Good to see you, man. That's what I'm talking about. So we on your questions right now. We on the free bands. If we feel like Future, excuse me, I wasn't supposed to say that, but fuck it.

I want to know how you feel about Future. You know, he basically took the Eagle Bird and put FGB on it, and now that's their chain, but that's Dipset's original chain. Yeah. Okay, all right, hold on, Kid Spirit. We're going to leave you right there. What do you feel about that, Ken? I don't feel a way.

I mean, like, with Diplomats and Wu-Tang, I think those are the best logos. That's not going to go nowhere. And Future's family, that's my guy. Plus, he was dealing with Chubby Baby. Oh, that's right. From Left Bottom, too, right? Yeah.

Now, Chubby Baby from the Bronx, but we met in Ohio. Me and Chubbs. We was out in Ohio. That's where we met at. And, you know, he's been in Atlanta working with Future and a whole bunch of other niggas. So he was with Future a while when that logo

came out he called and told me about it before it happened so it was all good with me like I said Future's fam it's all good God damn it

yeah I got all your other questions y'all I already used all your other questions man I'm looking at I'm trying to be like a good journalist

so I'm looking at all your other questions yeah I already we already get that this is a great interview, I'm not, I'm trying to be like a good journalist. So I'm looking at all your other questions. Yeah, I already, I already get that. This is a great interview. And he told me he didn't trust me. This is crazy. We got no reason. But he told you.

But Young Ray told you. Relax. He really told me relax. Killers demand. I wouldn't trust you neither. Yeah! Well done for your nephew! I'm so mad at my image back there. I'm so mad.

And my self is like, for real? I'm the best nigga in the world. I eat rice and peas. Come on. You got to be shocked to answer questions on a drink, Shannon. That shit bring you all the way up or all the way down. Oh, yeah.

It's all right. It's all right. All right. We're going to hit you back. We're going to hit you back. I'm going to get that nigga Grimm, yo. I want that nigga Grimm following the Grimm beat. Nah, nah.

Listen, listen, listen. When, oh shit, I got a shot. How am I, my shot magically appeared. Let's take another shot for killer motherfucking Cam. Yeah. All right, and then we'll get into horsepower. 2.0. Yeah, all right.

That's for y'all. Take that shit with you. All right, we need to understand again. I need one, too. Are we taking this shot for him? We taking this shot for horsepower? Yeah, why not? Let's take a shot for fucking horsepower.

2.0, 2.0. And fucking Cam, finally on Drip Chat. Let me see this, man. Let me look at this. Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it. Listen to me, Cam. I know I said this to you kind of like off the air,

but you're one of my most favorite people in the world. Likewise. Our relationship in the beginning, what happened was, I'm going to blame that on our success. Because why we didn't keep going. Right. You know what I'm saying? I feel like without over-bigging us up,

maybe I'm over-bigging me up. I feel like we were like Jay and Nas. over-bigging us up, maybe I'm over-bigging me up. I feel like we were like Jay and Nas. Like we dealt with that kind of situation where you was super the man there, I was super the man there. But we could have done some real remarkable shit. And still can. And still can.

Absolutely. And I just want to tell you how much I appreciate you from then, how much I appreciate you now, how much I appreciate y'all, because I got to see y'all. Like, I got to see, I don't want to say I got to see y'all at the bottom, but I got to see y'all coming up.

Likewise. And I got to see you at the top. And I've always been proud. So just in case you don't know that, I've always been proud of this thing in case you don't know that, I've always been proud of this. One thing about this right now is like this, bro. Hustlers are going to hustle and we're going to get to the back. And that's one thing I respect about everybody.

Of course, our friendship, 100%. But to see, like you said, I mentioned 97 or 96, whatever year it is, to see that you're still doing this, to see that you still look great, poor, that you still get money, I respect that more than anything else. Of course, our friendship, but I don't like niggas. You know what I hate?

That's why it's important for us to hang out first before I did this. Yeah, I love that. We had a great time. Yeah, I wanted to hang out. I want you to know that. Trust me, nigga, I'm good. I know what I don't like

when people say, you be like, yo, how you doing? And somebody be like, yeah, I'm just maintaining. I'm like, I don't want to hear you maintaining. Like, hey, I'm not really on that maintaining shit. You know what I'm saying? That's another word that's like almost depressing. How you doing? Maintaining. Yo, my nigga, you just maintaining. My nigga, like, where do I maintain this shit? Kevin

Lyles told me that, and I ran with that for like 15, 20 years because you just, if you just maintain it, you satisfied with just getting by. Right. And I'm not happy with just getting by. I like, I got habits

that I want to support and I want to keep doing. Me too. You get what I'm saying? So to say that, I'm saying that to say this, to see that you still doing your shows

and your second act and you still can do songs if you want, it's about, yeah, if you want. You know what I'm saying? If you want two stars to get a house album, songs if you want. It's about, yeah, if you want. You know what I'm saying? If you want to do songs, let's do it.

Let's own it 100%. Let's do it. Let's get those bars. You want to do an independent song? Listen, no, I'm not going to lie. I always had this independent major debate. Debate. I'm independent.

He's major. When it comes to independent the way can Jim and Dipset did the independent is different for New York based or At that time not differences. No, they did it great as far as we are But what I'm trying to say is only independent base that was working was people from the south people from Richmond, California Master see it wasn't working for them? No, I'm saying that they were the ones that it worked for in New York. It works if you put in the right...

What 50 was saying about Koch wasn't a lie. Most other people other than them were going there to die. They were the only ones getting money. So I can see where 50 was coming from. Like, Cameron, we don't talk about you. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So that's what I'm talking about. But the way they did it independent, I got to salute that. I got to salute that. I didn't see that. Not from New York. What other independent? Other than Rockefeller? There was no other independent people.

Think about it, Cam. Rough Riders. No, they weren't independent. Well, I'm saying they moved. No, they weren't independent. Well, I'm saying they moved me. No, they were universal from the beginning. Yeah.

Because once DMX signed, that was Def Jam Universal. Right. The Lox were Interscope. Oh, no, they were Bad Boy. Yeah, and then they moved over to fuck with...

So y'all were the first independent to fuck with an independent company. You were independent with a major. I just thought you meant independent, period. You talking about

independent to fuck with an independent company. With an independent. Right. An independent fucking with an independent. Right. These other people

was independent fucking with a major. That's major. Right. Y'all was... Depending on the deal, though. Depending on the deal you have is how it is.

If you own your masters, if you own your shit, you're independent. You can't own your masters and fuck with a major. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. Yeah, what? You can own 80%. No, it's the deal. It depends on the deal.

Puff got his masters back, man. Eventually, if you work the system, you might get it. I'm in the process of that right now. Like, I just got my masters back. Eventually, if you work the system, you might get it. I'm in the process of that right now. I just got my masters back. Which masters do you want to own? Def Jam. Def Jam. You don't want the epic?

I'm working on Sony, too. So what's going on is this, in case you didn't know. It's a thing I just found out about. After 10 years? Seven. eight. Okay, wow. You could go, you could re-record your records right now. It's an eight year statute of limitations on your records.

This is a statute of limitations on music? Yes. This shit is criminal. I just found it out. So for instance, who gets their Super Thug shit forever? Well, right now, they sold it to, no, it's Tommy Boy, they sold it to some- So for instance, who gets that Super Thug shit forever? Well, right now, they sold it to, no, it's Tommy Boy. They sold it to somebody else. Forget it.

Let's just use a random example. Let's just say I want to do Oh Boy over. I clear the sample and everything. I go record the record right now, put it out on streaming service, and tell niggas don't go to Def Jam to get it. I go get it to me right now. My bread. But you re-recorded brand new.

I got to re-record everything. But you let niggas know this is the new version. Yeah, but you don't have to. You can say, because people go on and want to hear what they want to hear.

You can record the exact same song you did today and put it out streaming because there's a statute of limitations on the music that how long they can actually own your shit. And we don't be knowing shit like this.

You get what I'm saying? Yeah, well. You just saying this is real. This is real. This is real. Let's keep going. No, I'm just telling you,

so you could go and record everything over that you want to. So that's eight years you saying? Yeah, seven to eight. Me and my lawyer just went through this

last week because I'm like, I want to go do 357 over Matt Middleton. Him or her, them all. Yeah, Matt Middleton, bud. So that means Super Thug is good. We could go do 357 over us. And he reckon I want to do this over eight years over.

You as well. Yo, Super Thug is good. Hey, you got to relax. Go. Just to make a little bet on what it's going to do with Thug. Let's fly. I get my entourage checks. You know that shit's in entourage.

It's a little nice. I like it, man. Go ahead, take my check. But that's different. Publishing, you're getting your publishing checks. Yeah, that's different, but you own the master. He's talking about the master versus the publishing. I don't own the master. That's fucking genius. I had no idea. Yeah, but I own my masters from Warner Brothers,

all the stuff that I did when I left Def Jam. Warner Publishing? Nah, I was on Asylum, but it was through, you know... Yeah, that was Warner, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But my deal, I had a, like, seven-year statute of limitations on that, in the deal. So Todd Moskowitz, Joey I.E., they gave me back all my masters, so I got all my masters from that.

So this is in the deals. When you sign them, it says it somewhere in there. On that particular deal with Todd Moskowitz and Joey I.E., I don't think they ever had a vision of staying there too long, so they wanted to give all this back, they shit. So basically after seven years, I got my shit back. I just got it back for like the last three, four years. So like all this shit, Killer Season and that album, the movie, et cetera,

everything that I did on Asylum, I own there. The money's at Def Jam. Not saying that ain't money there, but that's the catalog, catalog. But I could go, if I wanted to put the time in, I could go record the whole album, everything we did at Def Jam over, and steer my traffic this way to go get it.

It's a lot of work. That's why the question he asks is like, you could go to the label, right, and be like, yo, what's up, the masters? You could give me at least 50%, 60%. Or I could just go record this shit over and y'all don't get nothing or y'all get whatever. I still have all my Instagram,

because now social media, you could drive the traffic where you want to go to. And then all those producers would do the same thing? That's the process of it. You have to still get the clearance. Some people don't want to go through that headache of having to pay the producer. You know, if it's a sample in it. You have to do it all over again.

You have to do it all over again. It's still the same process, but you could own it. It'll be yours. Fuck it. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of hard. That's crazy, man. Do the whole Wario photo? I got trash at the phone down. That's still in my tape, though. Right now, you got so much shit.

I mean, you got niggas I fuck with. Like, of course I fuck with my nigga Johnny Shaysa Cinematic and my nigga Ghazi at Empire. But, you know, basically what they do is pay the jichu on the top streaming services.

So Spotify, what is it, Spotify? Rap Caviar. Right. You know, the top playlist. The top playlist

or whatever. But, that's if you want to go that route. To give them 10, 15, 20 percent, which I do, I fuck with them.

What? Empire. And Cinematic, both of them. Okay, okay. More with Cinematic than Empire, but I do business with Empire too. But the point being is, you could go fucking get a DistroKids account

or a TuneCore account right now and upload your music, and that should be in your pocket 30 days, and then it comes every 30 days straight to your pocket. So right now, that's what I tell niggas now They be like so I go to major. I'm like, you know, you got a buzz the way it works right now Everything you get it's analytics. So they get like you don't have this many Facebook friends

You don't have this many internet Instagram followers. You ain't got this many Twitter followers, etc, etc, etc But then when you do that all them numbers You probably already set up with distro kids a tune core and all That stream money coming to you. So what the fuck you really need them for cuz they're not building all the grand up no more They're not been off from the ground up. They going off your numbers. Yo, they ain't got this thing I 15 million streams on hits on YouTube. You got this money now We want to fuck with them, but at that point if the artist is smart, they don't need you You know, I mean, so that's the game right now Any artists out right now you like you I wish I would've fucked it up new artists new artists

Oh, let me honest with y'all kind of fuck with a lot of artists man I'll be curving cuz I enjoy my piece like when you get our artists they problems become your problems Like and then they be super cool. and then when they be your artists, it be mad problems they didn't have before that they, they got now, they become, they became your artists. Like, yo, my rent backed up. I'm like, how long?

Six years. You still live there, nigga? Like, yo. Retro. Nah, man, so. How many abortions you paid for? I paid for a mad, wild abortion. Yeah, like, no. Retro. No, man. So I don't know. How many abortions you paid for? I paid for a man, my artist, abortion. Yeah, like, shit like that.

Like, I was supposed to say that. I thought you slayed that weirdly. I was supposed to say that? I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure. How many of you, how many abortions you paid for, Ken? Come on.

Artists? Artists and yourself. I ain't confronting you. I got one kid, man. So you could do your own math. Because you got his fucking, Ken you got hip-hop, man. I got one kid, man. That's it, B.

So, because I heard you say in the rhyme, you said you was going to take Juju back, but you saw her with Safari. What was that? What did it sound like? Why don't you understand? I don't know. I don't know what I'm asking.

Nah, so when I broke up with her or whatever, I guess, you know, love and hip-hop create the scenarios of how Safaree run around. But a lot of people were sending it to me and, you know, little shit, this, that, and the third. And this is not to throw nobody under the bus.

I don't got no problem with Safaree. I don't got no problem with Juju or anything like that or whatever. But, you know... I liked y'all when y'all was doing memes together. Yeah, like, you know, I think I had an opportunity, which, you know, we won't get into to maybe rekindle our situation,

if I wanted to. But that just kind of made it for me, like, nah, like, no disrespect to Safaree, but you ain't got no type, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's's just that's just two eyes apples and oranges big like if you can mess with that no and i'm not dissing them i'm just like we that's your type i'm not your type no more

no disrespect No disrespect. Respectfully. Respectfully, disrespectfully. I mean, respectfully. Yeah, disrespectfully though. I've never been this stuck in my life. Can you please help me out? I don't know what to say. If you have, I'm a big Big L fan. So if you have any Big L story that you could tell me.

Big L story? I really, uh, damn. Any Big L story that you could tell me. Big L story. I really, damn. I got a lot of Big L stories, but if I say them, there's still niggas outside that's going to know what I'm talking about. I'm trying to think. For instance, Big L used to snap. A nigga's a cruel person snapping. You know what I'm trying to think like for instances big I used to snap a niggas cruel person snapping and you know I'm saying and the niggas he was talking about still be outside not that I'm gonna talk about that it's a problem

but it's just one of situations like I can tell. Look at his face. Nah, this nigga's rude. He's like, your mother's going to die tomorrow. Yeah, he talk like that to people. You know what I'm saying? And he rap like that, too. Yeah, like, we be rolling dice, and the nigga lose. He be like, your mother's going to die tomorrow anyway. So how about that?

I be like, yo, this nigga's harsh, man, really harsh. But, yeah, I can't really get into the best ones because his friends. Give me a mild one. His friends that he fuck with, that he used to talk about, is still outside. So I'm really trying to think of a cool one. Okay, like putting together Children of the Corn. You said it was his. Yeah, absolutely.

He had the deal. So, you know, he seen nigga movements was popping off. So, you said it was his. Yeah, absolutely. He had the deal. He seen nigga movements was popping off, so he rounded up. It's a song on his album called Eight Is Enough, and he put me on that album, on that song. I didn't really know anybody else on the record, so it was a privilege for him

to put me on the record, and just the fact that he thought I could rap, I appreciated that. Was it crazy that one record was the same sample that Pac had for... What was the record that Pac had after he passed? It was the...

It was the... What record are you talking about? Oh, man, it was one of the... It was the... Oh, American Dream, a Debar sample. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we had it first.

No, you had it way before. We just wanted to use it before somebody else had it because Biggie had used a Dez sample for One More Chance. And actually, Big L had that sample first on his shit. That happened to Big L a couple times. Yeah. On the Biggie joint, you said, yeah.

Big L had it first, and then Biggie used it. And that shit blew out the world. I changed the whole scenario for Biggie after that record came out. Wow. Yeah. How did you get, you and Faison Glover, what's that nigga name? What's that nigga name? Faison.

Faison Lover. Faison Lover. You said Faison Glover? I said, I don't know. What's the nigga name? Faison Love? Faison Love. Yeah, Bob, what is this? What is going on here?

Nah, one day, he was just talking reckless about Jay-Z wasn't getting no street money. I just chimed in. Like, I don't think you kind of out of pocket right there, because I'm just chiming in like everybody else. Then he just started doing wild, like, Photoshop pictures, acting like I was gay and doing gay shit. And I'm like, I'm going to just go to all your videos. You and doing gay shit and i'm like i'm gonna just go to all your videos you're doing wild gay shit if we're disengaged i don't have a problem with gay

people at all nothing like that but he was just calling me gay and i'm not i'm heterosexual so i was like if we're going this route let's have fun you got niggas smacking them on the ass you know i'm saying humping them what I mean, all in his movies and all type of shit. So I was like, you should have probably picked a better topic than to go to this route

because I'm a clown. You have fun doing that shit. Like Instagram, social media, that shit is like... You enjoy it. Yeah, it's like, you know what?

What I tell niggas, it's like a... It's a cherry on top of the whipped cream porch for me. Because when I say that, it's because it's extra. It brings money to the table, et cetera. Cool, but I didn't come up in that era. So I don't panic. It got niggas who come up in the Instagram era who, if they don't get this many likes or this many hits or this, that, and they probably pin.

Not probably, definitely. I've seen it happen. Oh, they're not feeling me anymore. My likes are going down. This is going down. So they panic because they came up in the social media era

and that's what brought them to certain fame. And to me, I think this shit all extra. Cool, we're going to bring some bread

through social media, through the internet, et cetera, et cetera, but I'm not going to panic if shit don't get 100,000 likes or if this don't get 100,000 likes or if this don't get a million views or whatever the case is

because I still got wild bread. This shit is just extra topping on the cake for making it, but people panic over this because they came up in it. That's just not me. The same thing that allows a dope fiend... Are you talking now? Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying. What is he talking about? Nah, I let him ride. I let him ride. I said, nah, you're just normal. You're a wave, you can talk.

Nah, the same thing that makes a dope fiend want to shoot dope is the same enzymes in your brain that makes you want to like. You know what I'm saying? So that's why the kids are going crazy because they like dope fiends. We talked about it. We talked about it with Pitbull. The whole documentary that the guys that created the social media networks, they made it that way. Right, right, right.

So you fiending for that. But you said you got a documentary. You doing? Yeah. On you or on Dipset? On me. Okay. What's the name of this documentary?

I don't have a name for it. We're in the middle of production now, because what happens is this. I've been, and you too, most of our adult life has been publicized. So niggas don't think that you had a life before you got it. Because I was the man before I was the man.

Yeah, exactly. I heard you say, when you say you was Hollywood before, I was the man before I was the man. I was a nigga in heard you say, when you say you was Hollywood before, I was the man before I was the man. I was the nigga in left, right? I don't know if any of you checked my history. Exactly. The yalla was the yalla before the yalla was the yalla. But, yeah, I get the exact same thing.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So most of my adult life has been captured with this album and that album. And then niggas just think that's all it is. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, so nigga got to realize what I'm doing is

Doing like before I even gain the music. I'm doing two two parts Haul them in the late 70s and through the 80s. This is a solid Documentation this sounds like a reenacted document. No, it's a documentary That's a docudrama like like with it's the real it talking but it's people acting you out no no okay no it'd be stock footage and people doing interviews and maybe old foot but what it is what I want to do is from the late 70s to early mid through the 80s I want to show the Harlem that I was brought up in right you get what I'm saying like and probably a five six black radius is I want to show the part of Harlem that I was brought up in.

You get what I'm saying? And probably a five, six block radius is so many dope people from the late 70s, early 80s and big time drug dealers or number runners or anything else like that. That needs to be publicized to make them realize who the nigga I turned out to be, what made me the nigga I turned out to be. So fucking, I want to talk about Fritz. I want to talk about Dougie Lime. I want to talk about all these prominent figures in a four or five block radius to make me the person that I am growing up.

I want to talk about Big L and what was his demise and his downfall. And these is all my friends. Them stories, I want to talk about Big L and what was, you know, his demise and his death and these are all my friends. Them stories, I don't want to tell their story because it's not my story to tell, but if you ever see the movie

City of Gods, you know what I'm saying? That's my story for Big L's and them niggas story. I'm the cameraman. You know, I'm not the nigga

who was doing it. Very humble of you to say it. Yeah, but I'm just saying, I can tell you everything about the whole story. I wasn't out there killing with them niggas, killing each other. But at the end of the day,

I can tell you everything that happened. And a lot of that needs to be explained. Because, like, right now, right? I'm a superstitious nigga, right? Yeah, I don't cut poles. You mean you're walking together and you cut the pole? Yeah, yeah, I'm superstitious. Like, Finn. Like, I don't cut poles. You mean you're walking together and you cut the pole? Yeah, I'm superstitious. Like Finn.

I don't park a handicap park. When I park, I walk around a handicap park. I don't even want my feet to touch it. The space, period. That's a little over superstitious. I've never heard of this. That could be your spot if you want it. You know what I'm saying?

That could really be your spot. I've never looked at it like that. You can make it your spot if you want it. You know what I'm saying? I can really be your spot. Ever looked at it like that. Yeah, yeah. That's the point. Boldly. Boldly. Go ahead. You can make it your spot.

But the moral of the story is like my block. It's nothing in the world, it's nothing in this whole world right now that can make me, I can go to 140th Street, I can go to 139th Fifth Avenue.

There's nothing in this world that can make me walk or get out of my car on 139th Street between 7th and Lenox Avenue because three niggas I know got popped

like in a 25 foot space. Oh, okay. So, I'm never getting out of my car on that block. I might go there on 5th,

I don't know, maybe on 41st, I'm just like that. I don't go to the taco shop. Yeah, I'm not going. On the street from Billy's? Yeah. I don't go there

because one of my best friends, the person I love, twin, he left there and got shot. You was telling me. So. I don't go there because one of my best friends, the person I love, he left there and got shot. You was telling me. So I don't, I don't, I won't,

I'll look at it, but I won't, I won't, I won't do certain shit. I met DMS and we stayed outside. Right. I dig it.

Like, I'm that type of nigga. I'm just not going to do certain shit. So, I'm superstitious like that though. But anyway,

the story needs to be told On what I grew up into And what made me You know Not trust certain niggas Or not you It's not You know

Yeah Whatever How I move How I move Or whatever And You know It needs to be a little more

Light shine on my neighborhood So that's what I'm going to do My first couple episodes Before we even get in the dip set and my music career, anything, basketball career, anything like that. But your shit is so rich. Why wouldn't it be like a reenacted shit? Fuck that question.

If somebody's going to play Cameron in a movie. You're talking about like with the Wu-Tang shit. Yeah. I think that can all happen, but I think this is set the pace for that Wu-Tang shit. Yeah, I think that can all happen But I think this is set that the the pace for that. Yeah, first. Yeah, right They making it tomorrow who are you picking to play you? I don't know. I don't even know a nigga like me, bro It's just hard but not but that's a good shit. Yeah is you you you

Let me play me right. This is real you play Apple. How did you do your research for Apple? I live in Harlem if I did a bad job I wouldn't be able to live that damn Like you know what what I'm gonna do go back home and then when I did that movie this when I was outside Every day like I was on Lenox Avenue every day. You know, I auditioned to be Apple. You beat the shit out of me. Yes. I tried to be him, too. No, I'm just saying, you know, I don't... They said, nope. No, I'm just saying that because, you know,

Dame is like the producer. I move out a little leverage, and then Dame lobbied for me to get that spot. He wanted... They wanted another actor to get it, but they were stuck on Wood Harris. So Dame told them if you really want Wood Harris, you got to give me Cameron. He did good.

So that's how it went. I said it earlier in the interview. I was like superstar status, household name. I think after Payton Fall, that was it. Yeah, absolutely. What you got to realize is Payton Fall came out one year and then Old Boy, Haymard, and Diplomats and Jim Jones and Jewel. That was it. Yeah, absolutely. Like, after Paid in Fall... What you gotta realize is Paid in Fall came out one year

that old boy, Haymard, and Diplomats, and Jim Jones, and Jewel, it was like a domino effect of a lot of shit. Right, so yeah.

After that, it wasn't... I had 12 seconds in Paid in Fall. Yeah. I had to describe you. You had to do it. You played a great part, man. Got that mixed voice for me?

Yeah. And let me tell you what, my shit was all freestyle. What happened was one year, I knew Griselda. I didn't, because this just sounds crazy. I just,

the way I described it was retarded. Let me just, excuse me, because retarded might be wrong too, right? But I knew that there was some Colombians in Queens queens you knew grizzel that you said no i did not know b personally but queens we had the cocaine we didn't have to go uptown and i've seen alpo and rich that's the shit i'm describing nigga popping the willies all that

that was them niggas was in 40 Projects. And that's what they were doing. The same exact scene that I'm describing. In my, I don't know. I get what you're saying in your brain. Like, you're visualizing. Because they're like, yo, listen, describe Alpo, but over-exaggerate it. I said, all right, cool.

I don't even have to kind of over-exaggerate it. I kind of, it's going to use what I've seen in 40 projects. One day I went to see Uncle Wise in 40 projects. Or basically, it was one of those things. And I seen Alpo, Rich, and I forget whatever one of these other guys is. But they was out there, because Queens we had at this time. And they was showing off. That's when I knew what a Harlem nigga was.

The Harlem niggas wanted to pop a willy in 40 projects. This is a killer neighborhood. But these niggas wanted to be like, like, yo, yo, they're going to remember who we were when we left. But they bought all the drugs. It's a fact. And I was like,

wow, so when I got the role, you know, my my part some of y'all should y'all did in Canada Right most of it. Yeah, my shit was on 144 for us if my shit was in home Yeah, they said yo and I just just I freestyle that that big a chop most of should I freestyle? Charles Stone was super dope. I Stone. It was Charles Stone III, what his name was? Yeah, yeah, he was super dope. Because there was this little trap up there. Let us be hoodlums.

Let us be hoodlums. I had 15 seconds. I had 15 seconds, too. Damn, you had 15 seconds. Yeah, he was dope. Damn, you did have 15 seconds. Because the script was whack. The clothing was whack.

And I was like, yo, Damien, yo, fuck this movie. The script was whack. No, not the script was whack. The dialogue. Oh, huh. So what they did was- Oh, yes, yes, yes. You're right.

Dialogue was trash. I didn't use they dialogue. Yeah, so what Charles So what they did was... Oh, yes, yes, yes, you're right. Dialogue was trash. I didn't use they dialogue. Yeah, so what Charleston used to do was... You didn't use they dialogue, either? No, he used to give me... Okay, you're right. Oh, I understand what you're trying to say.

Okay, for that. He gave me two takes. I would read the dialogue that was in the script, and he'd be like, say it how for real you would say it if you was out there. So 90% of my dialogue was improv, because Charleston understood that. He's a dope director,

but he did, he know how to capture that shit. He did like Daddy Daycare and some shit like that. TLC movie, you know, the girl, girl really thought,

I really thought she was left out, man, playing that part. Yeah. He's good at capturing times, man. The classic one. Is that,

what's Killer Season? What are we going to do Killer Season part two? Capturing times man. Classic move. Um, uh, what's your killer season? What we gonna do? Killer season part two. You know, that's big. Niggas really want that man, so. Yeah. Let's put it together. Start a GoFundMe. Start a GoFundMe, see if

niggas really want it. Big Ken's really independent. Ken, do you want us to start the go-ahead? Yeah. Big Ken starts to go funny? I want to roll. I'm still auditioning.

Like, you all, I'm like... Come on, man. We did that. Don't record the way you have to die. Killer season, the way we filmed that movie.

That was crazy. I would get up, I would watch a movie and I'd... This is after Payton Fall. Yeah was crazy. I would get up. I would watch a movie at night. This is after Payton Fall. Yeah. Okay. And everybody, because listen, everybody's starving for you to act.

Yeah. After Payton Fall. I'm doing my own shit. Because you know what, niggas start opening me bum ass roles, like be a florist. You know what hurt me bad? Now I'm old. I can't comprehend.

But you know what hurt me bad when I was young? When I went to see Men's Society in the movie theater, and then the next time I went to the movie theater to see Old Dog, he was Inkwell. And I'm like, nah, not Dog. Like, you know what I'm saying? I know this man's not Inkwell. But you know what he was doing. He's an actor.

He's a thespian. Yeah, he's really an actor. But I'm just telling you at that particular time, like I said, I play a gangster florist now. I'm just saying, at that time, I wanted to take in roles. Like, it's shit with Tom Hanks.

They offer me all type of shit. So I let him do my own movie. And I got to say, man, I spent like 100, $1,200 on it, but I was waking up like, I shot that shit in order. I'm like,

all right, this is the story here. We filming here. All right, we got to have a shoot. I watched Heat one night. I'm like, yo, my sister, I'm like, I shot that shit in order. I'm like, this is the story here. We filming here. We got to have a shootout. I watched Heat one night. I'm like, yo, my sister. I'm like, I want to have a shootout. She's like, if you wait next week, we can do it for $20,000.

I want it tomorrow. She's like, give me two days, Cam. We just had a shootout. Then I made this. That shit was off the top of my head. It was no script. Nobody had no paperwork. No script on nothing, my nigga. Period we ain't got no Netflix. My nigga. Period.

I just got the rights back to it. Wow. Who had it before? A silent part of my masters getting back. So basically, they had the rights to the movie. And then I got my music back. And then I got Killer Season back probably about 11 months ago. So now I own it.

Oh, damn. This is neat. This got real, damn, this is neat. This got real, real, real good. This got real, I don't even, you got anything? You the reason why I got my business. Perfect pitch. Because you got a shoe store and shit like that. Clothes, shoes, accessories, butt lifts, waist trainers.

Tell us about the business. Yeah, let's talk about it. This is just a basic thing that me and my lady got together. Clothes, shoes, accessories, waist trainers. You need it. We got it. You know what I mean? And it really comes off stemming off a killer cuz everything he did if he saw something he wanted to know how to own it you know I'm saying he won't be a part of it you know I mean he wanted to own he made the tire he

wanted to make the tire so good that they become his tire so with that and everybody moving forth I only knew what to do because of him and I saw how to store about 10 years now but you know I'm saying so 10 years for me definitely is www.myperfectpair.net you know I'm saying definitely ladies going in from super small to 5X. Now, I think this is my last question. This got to be, got to be. I got to pee.

Nah, I got to pee too. You could have got to pee this time. We hood niggas. All right, this is the last one though. The scissor shit. Do you think that y'all brung it to the furthest extent with that? The liquor? Yeah, the liquor. Kill him with fervor you know be honest with you that's that was a lot of jim jim uh connect i was more of a face even though

we you know the money was all good but jim handled a lot of that like a lot of stuff jim like jim went to cotch he's the one not wanting to go to Koch. Jim felt the scissor people. You know, Jim brought a lot of shit to the table, so whether he was getting along with them or not getting along, I played my position, even though my position was still same as his, but I let him handle that shit.

Like that's a lot of shit that me and Jim do today when it come to business. It may be some shit for Diplomat going on, clothing deal, I'm talking to homeboy, like, I handle it, let me know what we get. But then it might be a skateboard deal. And he be like, yo, I'm just letting you know I'm about to bust these moves for us, da da da.

So we don't always gotta be around each other as we communicate and let them know, yo, it's about to be 200,000 for a hat deal, or it might be a skateboard deal for four. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't got to be there. Just let me know what the numbers is and vice versa. You know what I'm saying? That's trust too. Yeah, absolutely.

Because we got some shit that's about to come up. I didn't even tell you, but I got a surprise. We're not going to reveal it? Yeah. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. I'm going to be honest.

I love y'all brothers, right? I appreciate it. Likewise, man. I'm so glad. Everything, everything. But y'all are the actual first guests that never drink or smoke. I just want to throw it out there.

That's not true. That's not true. Royce the 5'9". Because these niggas drink and smoke. The cameras will be between 9C later. And you could be smoking a Black and Miles. I ain't going to lie. You don't know why I'm smoking a black and mild. I ain't going to lie. I don't know what this black and mild shit is about.

Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. I've seen your show, and I'll be like, niggas look crazy fucked up up here, slurring, drinking. Don't say that. No, not bad. It's good. But we all talk about, and I wasn't going to do that. I done seen niggas up here, I don't know if you want to edit it now, I done seen.

No, no, no, we ain't send people up though. I seen the more old them up here. That was different. That was different. That was crazy, man. That was something different. Especially when you saw. No, I seen the first one up. I seen the first one up. That was way different. That's the thing about this song. No, I seen the first one.

I seen the first one. That was way different. That was different. Yeah. You don't blame us for that one. That was way different. By the way, let me just tell you something. Before people pull up to drink, Chance, we beg them, don't get drunk, don't smoke, don't

drink. Just come so we can do it together. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's a celebration. It's a celebration. This is what it is. You know, God bless Versus for taking our celebration, you know, thing

and making it theirs. And that's no problem because, you know, what? You didn't have to laugh that hard. But you're right. But, you know, God bless Versus for taking it.

That's what this is. It's a celebration. So just in case I didn't say it because, you know, I don't know if your fans have been telling you this is the reason

why they want you to come on Drink Champs is because how much I appreciate you you've been a part of not only my you know uh CNN when when once Capone went to jail that's my first freestyle with someone outside of my barrel outside of people that I fucked with but not only that, my solo career. You know, Banff from TV. I said I called you earlier

for what and what. And that was a disrespect to Banff from TV. Because Banff from TV was the people that I considered my closest friends. So that's why I wish

you would have called me back then when we talked about that earlier. But, but, fuck that. And what was, this is the last question. I got to pee too. My shit is prairie dogging, right? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Relax. Relax. I'll take another shot. I'll take another shot. What? What's your memory of Baffin TV? I remember when I went to, the beat was hard.

The beat was so hard. And I wanted to rap longer, and you was like, Cam, it got to be 12. I think it was 12 or 16. 16, 16. Yeah, and I was like, yo, let me just go crazy. He's like, Cam, you got to keep it 16. I'm like, this beat too hard. Just do 16 bars, man. Okay. See, I don't's like, Cam, you gotta keep it 16. I'm like, this beat too hard just through 16 bars, man. Okay, see, I don't remember this, Cam,

so you gotta school me. That's a spittering, Cam. Did you hear anybody else's verse at that time? No, no. Really? No. How you found a nigga like that? Nah, I didn't hear nobody else's verse.

I just heard the beat, and I was like, yo, this. I didn't know. Locks and nobody was gonna be on there. Let's take a break. Let's take a break. Nah, I'm not asking you to go on there. I'm not was going to be on there. Let's take a break. I appreciate you, bro. Thank you. All right, so let's reiterate this question. You reiterate it?

Got to relax. You didn't know no one else was on that record for Bantam TV? No. You just played the beat for me. Electric Lady. I don't remember the studio, but I remember. Oh, shit. Nah, man.

Getting a lot of money. Nah, I don't remember the studio, but I remember... Oh, shit. Nah, man. You're getting a lot of money. Nah, I don't remember. I do remember when I heard it, I was like, damn, man. I would have probably did something else because I heard the locks on it afterwards. Them puns was on it. Nah, you body down. Yeah.

Yeah, you killed it. You super body. Nah, I appreciate it, but I still was... I was like... So you would have killed it more? It's nothing like... In my opinion, it's just like, damn, I wish I would, I didn't know nobody was going to be on the record, period.

Not saying I didn't appreciate it, I didn't throw it at me and Norrie's record, though. I didn't know who else was going to be on the record. Did you tell everybody else on the record that other people on, did they hear their verses? Honestly, it was, How did that process go with everybody else? It was,

Nature was in the studio. I called Bun. I called Cam. Cam always was in my head. I'm like, I'm 20 blocks away. I'm good. You came, you heard the shit, slayed your shit, and just left. Okay, but did everybody else hear the other verses? I didn't know if I was going to put hooks in there.

So he's probably right. When he says, yo, I just played him the beat. Yeah, I wanted to keep going rapping. I remember he's like, Ken, we got to keep this shit. So you just never told people there was other... I can't lie. His other part of the story is helping me sharpen my other part of the story. But really what it was was

i thought i was going to do a hook but it was nature then it was pun and it was camp and i got them all three on the same exact day okay no same exact night and the reason why i remember it was it was electric lady was because i went downstairs because one of my boys went to Grey Papayas. And I went downstairs because Pun was never supposed to be on the record. You talked about it. Pun was never supposed to be on the record. I was supposed to put you and Nature on the record. That was my idea.

Then I went downstairs to Grey Papayas. One of my dudes was eating a frank. And I was like, I just want to make fun of this nigga. And I went and pun laid the verse. When pun laid the verse, I was like, yo, I gotta put Cam on this. And you were like 20 blocks away.

I think he was in Hit Factory. I think he was up the block in Hit Factory. But you didn't know anybody else was on this verse. Okay, so let's just end this with this. Do you think you had the best version of Bam from TV? I don't know. I'll have to listen to it again, but I like I really I'm really a big fan of when Jada and Styles go back to back. I'm a big fan. That's very humble you know like that then also, you know Which your part is well You saying I had the best part? You say that, Cam. Yeah. No one ever told me this.

Please, can you say that, Cam? No, I'm saying- I'm not gonna lie, pun was one of the best verses. You said that you played in the club. See, that's what I'm saying. When you ask about these songs- Walk, walk, walk. Come on, come on.

Big deal. And all that shit, you have to put yourself in different mind states. Absolutely. It could be you in the car or you in the business house or whatever, you in the club. But for the club, you had to hype it first. No, no, no. Get in there! Get in there!

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There's some things that really piss me off when it comes to Paw Patrol. It's pretty simple. It sucks. My son watches Paw Patrol. I hate it. Everyone hates it, except for me. Listen to Revisionist History on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast.