Drink Champs - Episode 256 w/ Mad Skillz

Episode Date: April 9, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only Mad Skillz. Coming from VA, Mad Skillz is one of hip-hop’s most respected MC’s. A ghostwriter for some of your favorite artists, Skillz is most notably known for his yearly “Rap Ups” and the web series turned podcast “Hip Hop Confessions”.Skillz shares stories of being discovered by Q-Tip, working on his demo w/ DJ Clark Kent and signing with Timbaland. As a true lyricist, Skillz breaks down why artists like Nas, Jay Z & Eminem are superior in comparison to others! This episode is filled with lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss! Scram Jones also joins the coversation!Make some noise!!! 🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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about, when you Google Virginia, this man's face should pop up like the State Farm commercial. It doesn't already? I think it does. But the man, when we talk about bars, bar lord. We talk about lyrical. We talk about everybody from his state has to pay homage

to him. The first very one from that, and we won't get to if this is the South or not. Debate today. It's been a discussion, yeah. But the man has transitioned. The man is a ghost writer. He's done numerous things. He's still here.

We don't get to all the controversy, everything, but we don't even know right now. Virginia's number one representative in the world. Motherfucking Mad Skills. Let's make some noise. Can we say Mad Skills

or do you just want to be skilled? Hell of an intro. Let me just say something, right? Because we have a ground on here. And this became a controversial topic. He declared Virginia as being the South. But said that Baltimore was the South too. That was a controversy.

The Baltimore people did not like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, no, we are not the South. Yeah, be more, be more, no. I wouldn They were like, no, we are not the South. Yeah, be more, be more, no. I wouldn't say be more is the South. So the South starts in Virginia? Yeah, we right on the middle of the Mason-Dixon line.

Mason-Dixon line, yeah. And it was the capital of the South. And it was the capital of the South. Like during the Confederacy. Wait, Virginia was or still is? No, during the Confederacy. Oh, really? Yeah, it's commonwealth all day.

Wow, yeah. I got kicked out of Virginia Mall because I was walking through and people were following me and instead of the police saying, yo, stop the people, the police said, you got to go. I said, how the fuck? What did I do? You're soliciting. I said, listen, listen.

So let's just take it back, right? Because a lot of people got the this is another thing too. A lot of people got the um we all this is another pharrell thing too a lot of people got teddy riley was like a person who kind of like made virginia hot is that accurate to say yes but teddy was from new york so how did how did that how did that go when teddy came down um we were like enamored you know i'm saying lost so to speak, because it was like he was right there. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So you'd be... And Teddy was like puffed out at that time. Like, nigga, you'd be in school at lunch and nigga's like, yo, Michael Jackson's

in fucking Virginia Beach and you're like, nigga, what? Right, right. Like, fuck you mean? Oh, yeah. So, Teddy coming down

and making that move opened up, like, he opened up a whole fucking stratosphere of opportunities. Right. Like, you gotta think, and making that move opened up like he he opened up a whole fucking stratosphere of opportunities

like you gotta think Teddy's the only nigga that was a super producer and made like well not made but opened the door for two other super producers wow

yeah you know what I'm saying they got a whole genre for him New Jack Swing is him you know what I'm saying? You go, you ride by the studio

and see the fucking Lambo, the Ferrari. You're like, nigga, it's right there. You know what I'm saying? The Ferrari was super close. Out of all the places that Teddy could have went, what made him pick Virginia? I have no clue. I have no clue.

I remember being at something in the water, the first one. The Ferrari? Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the... You didn in the Water, the first one. The front. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the... You didn't invite me to that one. Yeah, yeah. I remember being at

Something in the Water. My man Boogie, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to my man Boogie. We standing there watching Teddy perform and he's saying, he said to me,

he said, Skills, do you realize that Teddy is performing Rump Shaker on the same beach that he shot the video, hosted at a fucking festival by the nigga he put on.

Two X amount of years later. Like that's insane. Wow, that's crazy. You know what I mean? That's crazy. So, when was the first time, because, all right, I want to read what Pusha T said. Shout Push.

So, you know this is what I do when I interview people, I hit people that surround them or crush them. He said, no real story, just that he was really the first rapper that was truly proud of from VA. He was performing with the tribe, I believe, when they came to VA for a show. And that alone meant that he made it in my eyes. I remember his outfit, a Tommy or Polo, Chino style zip up. We weren't like friends or anything back then. We weren't even from the same town. But I thought he represented VA the way I wanted to see it done.

He probably doesn't remember that time, might not even remember me there. I never knew he was there. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But now, like... But let me try to say a little bit. When people thought of Virginia, it was one person they thought of at one time because I know we just thought of Teddy but Teddy let's just be clear Teddy was from Hall yeah all day you like

when when you google you all of these people names from Pusha T to Pharrell to Timbaland all right what was that like that's one part question and let's just answer that question first I mean to be first was always weird you You know what I'm saying? Because you were scooped not to be first. And niggas forget the first. You know what I'm saying? They quick to, you know what I'm saying? I don't feel like we pay enough respects to the Bams and the Herks and, you know what I'm saying? Like shit like that.

So it's like when you first is weird. But I knew that where I was from had to be represented in a way that people hadn't seen it before. You know what I'm saying? So it was niggas calling us country, niggas calling us Bambas and shit. Same shit with Atlanta in a way. But I was like, my nigga, we get fucking busy. We do what we do. Half of y'all niggas down here at school anyway come down here and get show money, drug money,

you know what I'm saying? It is what it is. So it's like, what y'all ain't gonna do is clown us, but nobody was out there. The only nigga was was D'Angelo. And that's R&B, like. So niggas like, oh man, you know D'Angelo, you know, I'm like, nigga, what you wanna do?

But he from Virginia? Yeah, he's from Richmond. I don't know that he's from Virginia. Yeah, I'm like, he came out first. So Brown Sugar dropped, the album dropped. He's hailed as a R&B superstar. Niggas like, oh, you know, he don't really say the town I'm like and D'Angelo got a lot of pussy

I'm like nigga he a R&B artist what you wanna make a song called fucking Cruisin' in Richmond like what the fuck he a R&B artist so it was up to me to hold that flag and I was like when I get the shot like it's gonna be a problem because it was like Michael Vick and Alan Iverson and then you like that was it yeah and then we kind of knew because I want

to say like I don't want to say like like conscious but you were like you you were aware but when we looked at Michael Vick and when we looked at AI we said these guys are and then we looked up Newport News yeah bad news yeah what and so what AI. We said, these guys are. And then we looked up Newport News. Yeah, bad news, yeah. So what was it like hearing these guys? Did you know AI? Yeah, yeah. We called AI Bubba Chuck. Bubba Chuck, yeah.

I see the documents. That's all we knew. So Vic, Bubba Chuck, to see them make it, you know what I'm saying, we knew, like, that we had people in that. We were talented, you know what I'm saying? Because you got to understand, like I'm from where, I'm from a town called Richmond. It's like an hour away

from where Pharrell and them are. They from Newport Beach. Yeah, they from like Virginia Beach, but it's seven cities in that whole region. So imagine, imagine fucking Miami. Right.

Imagine Florida, Miami, and let's say Fort Myers is fucking 20 minutes away. Right. Orlando's 15 minutes away. Right. Fucking. And that's a whole city. And it's a Fort Myers is fucking 20 minutes away Orlando's 15 minutes away Fucking that's a whole city and it's a whole different city. So I got seven different cities from where I'm from I'm like an hour back towards in England. You know saying like Richmond so like to see AI and Vic man It was like somebody

Yeah, I'm saying and they was rapping it D'Angelo. He was repping it, but he he R&B So it's you know saying he ain't about the way eight chains in a fucking VHR So AI AI man, it's like a guy him and Vic like gods Oh, you do a piece of the rock? You a new bottle? You a goddamn new bottle, God damn it. What the hell? You a new bottle. Roz, get on camera, bro. Oh, that's all they know you got? Well, you like regular shit, right?

Yeah, regular, regular shit. Yeah, all right, cool. We'll get one more time tomorrow. Don't worry about it. We'll do it, we'll do it. Yeah, so, um, so, boom. How did you even come up? Q-Tip.

Ah, ah, ah, okay. Ooh, ooh, okay. Q-Tip put you on? Q-Tip. I was discovered by Q-Tip. You went too fast. Okay, hold Q-tip put you on? Q-tip. I was discovered by Q-tip. You went too fast. Okay, hold on. Hold on, hold on.

All right, all right. Let's describe that. Is this the show that Pusha T is talking about? Yes. Well, later. Okay. So, 93, I go to Jack the Rapper in Atlanta. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Hold on, you youngins. Listen. Those were the days. I'm sorry to be old right now. Yeah. But listen, you motherfuckers asking me to look at your Instagram and get tags. We used to have shit called Jack the fucking rapper. Yeah.

We had to wait on the fucking line to see DJ Red Alert. Facts. To see DJ Khaled, to see these people. Yeah. And that was real grind. I'm sorry. You just got to be a flashback. I'm sorry, man. I called the Holy Ghost, man. The Holy Rap

Ghost. I'm sorry. Jack Darby was one of the original concerts. Yeah, yeah. The original. Before Gagic. Before I Can I Be Down. That was after Freaknik and all that. So, I go to Atlanta with three of my homies

and I'm in this lobby. We got passes, so we legit, we ain't sneaking around. We paid our money, you know what I'm saying? So I'm walking around and it's in the lobby.

It's a huge ass hotel, fucking 60 floors, right? So I see these niggas in the corner like bopping, like niggas is like, it's a beat playing, I can hear a beat. I see niggas like bopping, Iopping like niggas is like it's a B playing out here B I see niggas like bopping. I'm like yo, who that be hard. You know saying I Walk over and I see fucking Q-tip, but it's it's it. It's it like imagine this this this year

I hate this is a plank, but it's like the lobby so big. It's a fucking tree in the lobby But it's a little bit after we need to have a bone This is the summer that Midnight Marauders is about to come out. Yeah, oh, jeez. He's full. This is right here. This is where niggas found out, niggas had found out, like, he was doing, he had did One Love, he had did the fucking Mobb Deep shit. Like, niggas like, oh, he doing them beats.

Wow. So I see it was a producer from Jersey. His name was Latif. These niggas had a radio, and they bopping. Wow. And I'm looking, and I can't get in. It'sif These niggas had a radio And they bopping Wow And I'm looking And I can't get in It's too many niggas

Around to get in I go to the back Of the fucking tree This shit's like Six feet tall It's like a fucking Potted plant I crawl up

On the back of this shit And walk over So this nigga Looks over his shoulder You came out of a tree Like he looks over His shoulder like Yeah who his son

In the tree was? But I'm bobbing and I'm like, I'm bobbing. So he's like, yo, nigga ain't trying to rob me or no shit. So Tip's like looking.

So it's a nigga rapping for Q-Tip and I'm sitting there like, nah, nigga, like, nah, it's, nah. So I, boom, I start rapping. So I start rapping

and he like, he looking like, yo, this nigga crazy. Like, this shit crazy. The nigga that I cut off cut me back off So I cut him off go ham I'm go ham by body the nigga security comes over. Yo, y'all got dispersal my man come down at the tree like y'all doing too much. Oh, you're doing all this shit in the tree.

Where you battling from the tree? From the tree. Oh, my man. So I get over off the tree, but I'm standing over to the side. And, you know, niggas is walking up the step like this is my tape. Y'all from Jersey. But I see him. He keep like looking to his right.

Like, I guess to see if I'm there. So I'm like, I ain't going away. I'm just going to stand here. So I'm standing there. I see the nigga. He's like, yo, yo, come here, son. So I walk over. He's like, yo, what's your name? I said, Mad Skills nigga he's like yo yo come here son so i walk over he like yo what's your name i said mad skills he's like yo son you ill son where are you ill where you from son i was like i'm from i'm from virginia yeah he's like from where i said virginia

he was like yo what you doing after this i said no i'm just chilling my nigga like what's up he's like yo you want to roll to this radio station? And I was like, fuck yeah. We go up to his room. This first time I seen a nigga had a suite. I'm used to walking to hotel rooms and it's the fucking hotel room.

We walk in the room, it's the suite. I'm like, oh, this nigga got the whole floor. She's like a crib. Polo shit everywhere. Fucking clothes,

Timbs, you know what I'm saying? This, that, and the third. He said, yo, I'm going to get dressed real quick.

Let me change. Yo, sit down real quick Yo, he and it's a CD player right? So the nigga goes yo, I'm gonna get dressed real quick. Yo, this the album. And the nigga hit a button, and I hear, oh, we, oh, we, ooh. And he plays you the album. Nigga, and I'm sitting there like before. Only thing I was a war tour. So I'm sitting there. Is your homies there to witness this? No, it's just me.

So if you didn't become who you are, Nigga. People would throw you a line. Nigga, straight line. And there's no Instagram back there. Nigga, nothing. So I'm sitting there, and I'm like, what the fuck is Zyce and Jazz shit?

Like, what the fuck is this? And I hear, Lyndon Boulevard represent. And I'm like, oh, shit. Like, the fucking album. So I hear the fucking album. I think the next song was a war tour. I think the next song was the fight. Went to Lyndon Boulevard to get a milkshake.

This nigga comes out the room like, yo, you ready? I'm like, yeah, nigga, let's roll. You want to still listen to the album. How old were you at that point? Shit, I'm like early 20s, like 20, maybe 21. We get in the elevator, Lytro's in the elevator,

his road manager, we go downstairs, we go downstairs, and me being thinking, man, I had one of those yellow fucking Kodak cameras. I said, yo, let's take a picture real quick. He like, all right,

cool. The van's supposed to come up. We take the picture. This little kid walks into the picture. I got shit on my gram. It's crazy. Little kid walks into the picture. I get into the van.

I slide over. He get in the front seat. This nigga goes, yo, this is my man Merce and this Mace and I turn around and fucking Dayla is in the fucking back of the van. And I'm like, nigga, I'm in the Native Tug.

Yo, so this question, was you officially Native Tug? No, I wasn't, but I swear I wish I was. And he tells Pox, he goes, yo, this nigga ill, son. Pox goes, he crazy? He's like, yo, son, this nigga ill, son. Now, you was Native Tug, I think about it. There's no why it's like red man is technically who takes Wow, okay. All right, so did the hip-hop confession series, right? What was What was the motive behind that? Well, I started it's just like 10 years old, right? So I started it, and this is what's crazy.

He's saying, I'm a bitch of shit. I'm a bitch of shit. This is the confession. Not really, but I'm running around, and I'm asking niggas like shit, like, yo, like, tell me some stories, like, tell me some hip-hop shit, like, what's your hip-hop confession? So it was niggas like, yo, you know, I never really, you know, listen to so-and-so. I don't like so-and-so as an MC. I know he the hottest nigga. I don't like him.

Like, it was shit you would say that you really wouldn't say around the home So hip-hop confession started because me and big sat down and I had it the producer big Yeah, and I had a whole it was a whole TV show from VA to it. Yeah. I had a whole TV show and We put the shit out and then after like six episodes I got they got harder to find niggas to want to tell the truth and tell stories so I fell back off the shit then a year later podcast happened Wow and I'm like fuck nigga I was early so niggas been asking me for ten years straight yo bring back hip-hop

confessions so I just brought it back like this shit and you got a, it's going to be a podcast? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make some noise for that. Just want to brag. So, Supernatural, what was y'all relationship? Y'all battled? I mean, if you was a battle MC at that time,

you going through Supernatural. So, I send it, I send the demo in the back of the source to Clark Kent, Superman Battle for World Supremacy.

Make some noise for Clark Kent. Yes. That's my OG. That's my OG right there. I got a to Clark Kent Superman Battle for World Supremacy. Yes. That's my OG. That's my OG right there. I got a funny Clark Kent story too. Everybody got a funny Clark Kent story.

So I send the tape in and fucking I get picked. I get to New York and it's the New Music Seminar. It's 30 off right there on

fucking Midtown Manhattan fucking 49th and whatever. Hella green badges, all this shit. It's 16 MCs. They did a DJ battle. They did a rap battle. It's 16 MCs.

I see this one nigga walking with dreads. I'm like, yeah, this nigga different. Like, it's going to be me and him. Like, this nigga different. Super nice. So he start running past motherfuckers, getting them out of there. I'm doing the same thing. Puff is on the judging table,

Tracy Wakeles, Sheena Lester, and Todd Warren from fucking MTV, from Yo MTV Raps. So nigga, it gets to the end, and Dame is there. And this nigga can't, they can't decide who's going to win.

And I think the winner was was you got a demo deal in the jacket and Ring and then the second person got a demo deal ain't nobody know about that So boom me and this thing keep going back and forth He hop in the crowd he freestyles about what niggas get on I hop in the crowd after him freestyle about what niggas niggas like yo these niggas get on. I hop in and cry after him, freestyle about what niggas get on. Niggas are like, yo, these niggas nice. What people got on, you said.

Yeah, what they have on. He like, Clark like, yo, they going back and forth. Puff like, nah, man, like these niggas dope. Let them go. Clark like, yo, nigga, we gotta get the fuck out of here.

So they do the whole, the Apollo shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, y'all give it up, give it up for Supernatural from Brooklyn. All right. Give it up for Supernatural from Brooklyn. All right. Give it up for Mad Skills from Virginia.

Later, I find out he from Brooklyn, but the nigga's from Indiana. Wow. But then they say, like, yo, this man was nice enough. He's going to take the ring and the jacket. He's going to give him the demo deal. So I'm like, I don't want the fucking demo deal, nigga. I want the ring and the fucking jacket. Like, nigga, I want to be the best.

I'm not coming up here to fucking be second So I came in second and I got the demo deal which which kept me in tune with Clark. I go outside and It's a cypher outside Jay-z outside demolishing niggas running through love for us No, niggas sign rappers was looking at the cy cipher like oh, you know, I'm gonna promise this Get straight in the car service like our home was killing niggas young It's a young green landing in there looking like a fucking 14 year old And Clark is behind them acting out all the words this and the third but me and Clark ended up having a

Relationship afterwards and Clark ended up having a relationship afterwards, and Clark did my demo. I used to fucking go to Clark's house and talk shit about Jay-Z like a dumbass. Oh, shit. Wait, get out of here. Like, I'm not on record. No, no, no, I would go to Clark's house,

I would drive back and forth. You wanted to get some A's, you wanted to get some A's fake, and then get the F out of you. I drive back and forth, and I'm going to Clark's house, and I'm still trying to, I came in second. So I'm still trying to prove, like, nigga, I'm the best. And he's like, yo, I want you to listen to this nigga I got named Jay.

And I'm like, all right. So he played me records and shit. And I'm like, yo, Clark, I'll smash that nigga, Clark. Like, I'll kill you. And he's like, yeah, yeah, calm down. Listen to the records. So I listen to the records again. He played me a record called What's in a Name.

Shit was the most crazy shit I ever heard in my life. He was talking about hustling, but he was using niggas' names in the song like rappers. It's crazy. It's still ten records I heard at Clark's house I've never heard before. So then I guess maybe after the third time me and Clark did some shit, Clark just gets tired of it. He played me another Jay-Z record. I'm listening to this shit. I'm like, I see your Clark, man. Yo, put me in a room with that nigga. tired of it. He's like, can you play me another Jay-Z record? I'm listening to this shit. I'm like, I see your Clark, man.

Yo, put me in a room with that nigga. I'll buy it. And he's like, nigga, I fuck with you. I'm going to do your demos. Jay-Z is a Jesus Christ of rap. Stop talking about Jay-Z. I'm like, Jesus Christ of rap? Like, nigga, he's like.

He's before. Before. So at this point, I'm like, all right, the OG telling me to relax. Clock new day. That's crazy. So boom. I'm going to do one of yours. Fast forward.

Way later. 98. I'm in 98 or some shit. I'm in. Best day of my life, by the way. I'm signed with Timberland. We in the Manhattan Center in the little studio up there. I know that. Knocking out joints.

So it's me. I want to say Tim, Petey Pablo, and Jimmy Douglas, right? Tim, I think Petey was there. Don't give me the line. They left. Me and Jimmy Douglas in the studio. This 98 holes. This nigga comes into the studio.

Just me, Jimmy Douglas, Jay-Z. He like, yo, where Tim at? He like, yo, he left. I think he'd be right back. He said, yo, pull it up. What do you want me to hit? Pull it up. He pulls want me to hit Pull it up He pulls the beat up

Beat playing And this nigga takes A tennis ball And just starts Throwing the tennis ball To the floor To the wall Back to his hand

Floor to the wall Back to his hand And he just mumbling Floor to the wall Back to his hand Floor to the wall Back to his hand 15 minutes

The nigga looks at Jimmy Douglas and goes Yo I'm ready. I'm sitting there like, what the fuck you ready for? I heard rumors. I heard rumors. I heard rumors Jay didn't write. You heard a big diss.

I heard rumors Jay don't write. Never. I'm like, nigga. This nigga goes into the booth. Is you a pimp, nigga? Yeah, I'm a pimp, nigga. Lobster and shrimp, nigga. Lobster and shrimp, nigga. And what's her name? Jigga. And like, nigga starts doing pimp, nigga? Yeah, I'm a pimp, nigga. Lobster shrimp, nigga. Lobster shrimp, nigga.

And what's her name? Jigga. And I get like, nigga starts doing the verse, right? Nigga starts rapping. Nigga, but like, J-Hover. Nigga, before I never got no play. Now these bitches wanna give me more head than Sade. When I'm in L.A., the

6'4 is ill. When I'm in A.T.L., it's the Coop DeVille. When I'm in Miami, I'm in LA, the 6'4 is ill. When I'm in ATL, it's the Coupe de Ville. When I'm in Miami, I'm hopping through on the all black Ninja with the sock over my shoe. Mommy send a chew, like who can stop you? I'm like, yo, nigga! Like this nigga did all this shit in one take. I'm sitting there going, yeah, this nigga's a great guy.

Like we rap, that nigga's different. I've never seen it before, but Hov fucking did that shit in like one take and left, it was like you didn't tell Tim I'd be back. Two verses, two hooks, left. Wow, and didn't even get the seat check? No, no, and then months later, I hear the record and I'm just like, this nigga old.

This nigga, man, he different. So in your whole Nas category, who you going with? I would have to say Jay. Because you experienced that. But Nas watched me on a song, though. Nas watched me on a Timberland song. Like, straight did me in. So next year, we did a songbaland song Like straight did me in So So he next year

We did a song together Called To My Niggas And uh I did my verse Classic shit I did my verse And um Fucking

I'm on Tim's album And shit The song comes out I'm like oh shit I'm on a song with Nas Fucking beat come on It don't stop Beat come on

I'm like oh shit Nas about to be on this song This nigga comes out of nowhere splat shot dudes or cats I use ice hanging off my chest cuz my cash improved. I'm just like oh fuck I didn't get a chance to change my shit or nothing Like nigga like this nigga was like instead of Benny Hines y'all can eat plenty of Nas's like this niggas going ham And I'm just like I Go back to Virginia niggas like yeah, you got watch

Because you know for years the year-long Discussion was who had the better verse or bad for TV right for me, right? And I actually really don't care but you know sometimes when I pay attention but overall I always looked at the record as its totality yeah I never looked at you know Pun had the better verse or Nature had the better verse I think I had the better verse I don't care but does that take away from the record when when people look at it like that when people look at it like this verse Like to me. I look I like renegade As a total song. Yeah, I didn't relate to Marshall's verse, but I didn't say it Marshall's versus whack

I like the song does it doesn't affect you. You wash or wash them on that though. Yeah, it's our whole forever guy was You know why you know why for you? That'll affect you. Marshall washed them on that, though. Yeah. Only time Hov ever got washed. You know why? You know why for me? You know why for me? Like, when Jay is rapping, he's doing Jay. When fucking Eminem starts rapping, it sounds like somebody's playing an instrument. Yeah.

It sounds like a nigga sat down at the Keys and went. Now, when I'm in the position to talk to these kids and they listen I ain't no politician But I kick it with them and I'm just like The white boy is I gotta agree with you But I also have to disagree with you because If you're talking about shit that I don't care about Like absolutely don't give a fuck I will never visualize

And don't disrespect it But I will never visualize killing my mom Like I swear to God I got mad at her plenty of times I never did that Yeah, no, but I've never visualized killing my mom's like I swear to God We are as young black men as fucked up as our lives is coming we love our mom Even though you was a crack We could never make a video fucking putting a shovel over our moms. And if we did, BET would've paid our shit. And our grandmothers would kick our asses.

We would've fucking gone for Thanksgiving after we got a video talking about I'm sorry mama. Like nigga what? Like nah, but for me it's just his cadence. Like I've never seen... I understand what you're saying. You're looking at the technicality of how he's running. Because I've never seen nobody fucking manipulate vowels the way that nigga do. I'm talking about him. Like, when you listen to Lose Yourself, like, the two vowel sounds in Lose Yourself is um and et.

Right? You got um, you got et. So, when he starts fucking rapping, mom's spaghetti, knees weak, arms are arms are heavy this vomit on his sweater already mom spaghetti He's nervous, but on the surface. He looks calm and ready to drop bombs like he when when he puts together Shit I know it's as close to perfect as it can be because the motherfucker takes for One take hold. We think we one take hold. Like, nigga, I'm done.

Like, nigga, that's some trash. You know what I'm saying? Like, he will sit down and go, these are the words that fucking fit. No other words in the English language fit because if they did, they'd be here. It's like he's writing music. Nigga, I've taught classes on fucking Eminem verses. But I think one of the craziest songs of all time is the gun

yes the gun by the way yes you can't tell that shit is incredible man like I couldn't understand how you did that right

is is that what is this is it songwriting yes very much so but also to the point of where

it's like like some people are just gifted you know i'm saying to be able to like we've heard motherfuckers personified themselves as weed and personified themselves as hip-hop and shit i did it nas is different when it comes to that shit and the niggas still look fucking 21 you know i'm saying like so he's not he wanted the greats man so i was happy to get washed on a song right by by esco now now when we google you a lot one of the greats man so i was happy to get washed on the song right bye bye esco now now when we google you a lot one of the first things that come up is this famous ghost ride right which i ain't gonna

tell you nothing but how does one go about that like what happens is the record label that suggests that no no i was in new york uh new y York DJ at the time. I ain't gonna say who he was. He was right for Fabulous DJ Closer? Nah, nah, nah. Fab don't need no rights, man. I'm in the studio and I'm just in New York. I'm a Virginia nigga from in New York and I have signed

a big B and fucking he comes in to the wrong room. Like, oh shit, I thought this was the B room. I said, nah, nah. it's next door, whatever. He like, oh, okay, cool. Oh shit, scales, right? I'm like, yeah, nigga, what you working on? So I play him some shit, and nigga like, nah,

this shit hard, nigga, you should let me get this. And I'm like. The DJ saying this shit. Yeah, but the only thing on it is the hook. He's like, you should let me get this. And I'm like, yeah, let me put my raps on it. I'm not knowing that the nigga's saying, I want this, and I want to put other rappers on it. I don't fuck with you like this.

I know who you are. You's cool. But this shit hard. This is your first time with Ghostbite? First time. Boom. Shit comes. What studio you said this was?

Cutting Room? No, I want to say it might have been unique. Okay, I'm getting close. Might have been unique. Alright, I'm getting close. And then, so I give them the shit with the hook in it. Shit comes out. They hit me for the splits. Woof-de-woof-de-woof.

I got a big percentage of the record. But that's not considered ghostwriting yet, because you just gave them the hook. But nobody knew that... But I hear these rap niggas saying my hook, and I'm just like, damn, they could put me on the record. Oh, but they redid the hook. Yeah, comes and I'm like oh yeah good I'm gonna be I'm gonna be on the record I'm saying so then my name started moving around like yo yo because some niggas have businesses and entities they don't have

the time to sit down and craft the hot 16 so that's where somebody like me come in because we hear these funny stories like Rico love and you know my friend the time to sit down and craft the hot 16 so that's where somebody like me come in at. Because we hear these funny stories like Rico Love and you know my friend Carden and you know they're very honorable too but I always want to know like like how does that happen so you're saying that was the first time all right so what your word spread that you know. Right so now I'm like oh I'm gonna just send this CD to woop de woop de woop andop. And they're like, yo, who wrote this? Like, oh, you know, the nigga Skills from Virginia.

Oh, yeah, yeah, nah, nigga, tell the nigga to pull up. So it was getting me in doors that I might not have been able to get in before. I'll tell you something, and I blew this up with Pharrell. I used to go to Pharrell's sessions, and he used to have bold records for people. And I used to be like, oh, shit. With the verses? I used to be like, oh, shit, you're going to kill this. And he's like, it's not for people. And I used to be like, oh, shit. With the verses? I used to be like, oh, shit, you're going to kill this.

And he's like, it's not for me. Yeah. But it be him referenced out. Yeah. Oh, you mean him, him doing it? Yeah. He said it.

He said it. Plenty of them floating around. Yeah, yeah. I blew it up there. Yeah, yeah. Plenty of them. Is that how you do it? Like, you'll go...

Just send them something. But my thing is, and I write, I write, you know, I started with hip hop, but shit, and I write, I write, you know, I started with hip-hop, but shit, I didn't done like fucking,

you know, R&B records, pop records. So after a while, it's like, I might reference the whole thing, but then just leave something for the artists

if they want to hop in. Right. You know what I'm saying? To make it their own. And make it their own. Like, leave the bridge open. Leave the second verse open.

You know what I'm saying? What did you think, I'm sorry, I'll cut you off. I'm going right back to this. What did you think about when you heard Drake reference tracks? It was bound to happen sooner or later. What do you mean by that?

Like, it was going to come out. You know what I'm saying? Like, because at the end of the day, niggas like us, we cared. In 97, 98, we gave a fuck. And, nigga, if you tell me Rakim didn't write microphone film, I'm knocking all this shit the fuck out of him. I don't even say that like that, brother. Exactly. You see how bad for me it is? Like, hold on. And if you tell me rock him didn't write microphone film knocking all this shit the fuck Like these kids today like I don't fucking care like niggas don't even had it They don't even had a proper place to go look to find the credits. Does that matter?

No, I hit record matters a Hit record matters who wrote it don't fucking matter in 2021 You ain't even Righteous shit It matters to Who gets the check I'm gonna be honest with you I'm gonna be honest with you This is how I knew

I was on the fence A little bit One of my Gracious records That I love Is when Eazy-E say Ice Cube Write the rhymes

That I say And I grew up The whole time Not knowing how Violation That actual line was He say ice cube right to Rob's that I say and I grew up the whole time Not know how far That was yeah, the thing is he actually said it in 88 everybody knew easy wasn't a rapper One I was scared of it w.a. Yeah, you scared it was coming to see I thought Compton was jail like breakers out right like oh shit I got arrested what's up with the take the company police like what you know 11 but it made it notorious with

now how is it I look at easy as a great and he said that how is it I look at easy as a grape, and he said that. How is it I look at Dr. Dre as a grape, and he said that. How is it I look at, don't care if I write rhymes, I write checks, puff, I look at him as a grape, but if I found out that Madness wrote Mad Skills rhymes, I would be mad at you. Right, I get it why is that cuz we

Because we you know what it is. We still at some point. We still want to believe Niggas you know saying like when I understand pre pre spot if all this shit when I went to the best buy and I spent $18 on your fucking CD and I got in the car and put that shit in I still believed some of it. Like we believe like you said I believed if I went to Compton and I wasn't right I believed I would get robbed out the gate. Like niggas

made us believe everything else so the lifestyle and the shit came along with it and what you got to understand is when you put out that kind of shit that's what's going to come back to you. You know what I'm saying? I'll never forget it. OG told me like, yo, like, nigga said, yo, make rhymes for who you want to see in the hotel

lobby after your show. Who told you that? OG in Philly. I did a show with The Roots and me and my DJ in the lobby drinking and the nigga like, he's sitting there. That's him. And the nigga said, yo. You know who told me that? KRS-One. He said, watch what you say because you're attractive. Yep. On a record. I'm sorry. The nigga said yo you know who told me that KRS-One he said watch what you say cuz you attracted on a record I'm sorry

then he said yo um what y'all do I said yo I rap he was like you make music I said yeah cuz he just did the electric factory she was sold out what you mean he's like hey let me tell you something youngblood and he got up out of the got up and Gary leave nigga walked off and nigga tapped me on the shoulder he said yo make records for who you want to see in the lobby after your show and I said Why the fuck I ain't been making records for bitches This whole time cuz that's the active at my show after my show I get niggas I want to talk about why tribe called quest broke up and what's my top five like I don't get like I might get women

But not like LL You know say I don't need it But you don't think it's a difference between who considers themselves a rapper versus an MC or you think that's going to deep and that might be a little deep because as Some you know after a while. It's like motherfuckers can't really gauge the difference between the two You know say I like it the lines get blurred Yeah, the lines definitely get blurred between who's living it and who ain't, and then it's like, who cares? Right. Like, these motherfuckers ain't breakdancing. They ain't writing graffiti. They don't give a fuck about this shit. They definitely not doing none of that.

They definitely not doing none of that. They don't give a fuck about this shit. I did all of it. I did everything. All of it. Just to do it. I did too. I did too. I had my fucking, my first rap name was fucking cor I did too. My first rap name was fucking corny as fuck. My first rap name was MC Yahoo with the ball to beat.

And it's true. He says it all the time. I'm glad it didn't work out. My first name was The Funky Oratory. That's kind of hot. I ain't gonna lie. Somebody should come out with that right now. That don't sound dated at all. That don't sound dated at all. So, alright. That don't sound dated at all. That don't sound dated at all.

So, all right. Kids Entertainment. E1. That was your label under E1? Yeah, Big Kids Entertainment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was just me trying to keep as much of the brand as I could.

You know what I'm saying? Okay. I'm keeping the beans. E1, Alex Grumkot. Because you know, they wasn't spending a lot of E1. I feel like all of us went through

Cotch at one point. Everybody. Everybody. Which was Lansby one point. Everybody. Everybody. Which was Lanspeed before that. Right. It was right after this was, I think it was after Jim got it poppin' when we fly high. Yeah, you know what? We don't get Jim Jones enough props for getting that.

He got Lanspeed. He got Lanspeed. He got Lanspeed. And 50 did his thing on there too. 50 did, he put out shit through there? No, I think that was it original No, we don't land some of our land. Oh, that's me. Yeah, Papa D and Lance B. Yeah 50 dragged it after right like thank you, sir We do some shots make it isn't got water man. This is not water

For you? For you? For you, I got. I'll do a white grape. I'll do a white grape shot. I'll do a white grape. Yo, we got to shout out the Organic Food Kings. Oh, yes. I just ate some of the guys' food. Yo, food looks incredible.

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That's one color, bro. That's one is bootleg. Which one is bootleg? We don't mind. So when you say, oh yeah, you still got your fucking pit bullshit. They cut you a check. No, I ain't getting no check. That's why it's right here now. That's why it only comes up for the shot.

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No, hold up, hold up. Go back to Q-Tip. Was this pre or post the beef with Rex and FX? Post. So how was that? Anything weird? Nah like Cause that's Virginia again

And Zulu had to get involved That shit was crazy Yeah yeah yeah Like nah it was You know cause Rex and the Facts Was hauling But they was running around In Virginia Beach with Teddy

With Teddy yeah You know I think they I think they took offense To something that Phyfe said Phyfe said strictly hardcore Tracks not a new Jack Swing.

God bless Fife. And they felt some kind of way about it. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't around for that. I've been listening to Fife raps. He be calling out a lot of people. Yeah, nah. Since he passed away, I've been doing it.

Fife was always taking shots at people. I'm sorry, guys. Like, yo, he's doing his thing. Yeah, but I think they jumped him with some shit. Yeah, he had the The patch in the video Yeah they said Hot sex on a platter

Hot sex on a platter They say he a fuck his eye up I don't know But that's They say he fuck his eye up We talked about it with them We talked about it With Trap Girl Chris

Yeah Oh shit I didn't know that Yeah I fuck gun You know what I'm saying Yeah so We forget a lot of things

But nah he was Very instrumental in You know I'm running around with him. And like I said, after, when I met him, after the night, after the Jack the Rapper shit, he gave me his number.

So I get back home, and my mom said, yo, like two weeks later, my mom says, yo, somebody named Rip called you. I'm like, who? She's like, somebody named Rip. I don't know,

he left a message on the answering machine. So I go hit the button on the answering machine, and I hear, yo, you know what I'm like who She's like Somebody named Rip I don't know He left a message On the answer machine So I go hit the button On the answer machine And I hear yo You know what I'm saying This tip You know what I'm saying Hey yo

Hey yo I want to know son Like how far you live From Hampton Virginia son Hit me up So I get off the phone I'm like yo This shit's crazy

Like my fucking life Could change So I call the nigga back He asked me how far I live from Hampton Which is down there By where Pia and I I go to the show

And I had been with him I had been done A couple shows With an all NBA I go to this show And they would let me Freestyle at the end Over God Lives Through

The beat for God Lives Through So we do it I got my man with me. We leaving. We leaving about to ride back to Richmond down the highway. This nigga comes up behind me with fucking silver galoshes. The nigga had silver goggles on his head. A silver Donna Karan fucking jacket.

Some black pants and some silver Donna Karan fucking rain boots. Right. And nigga says, yo, man, weren't you just on stage with Tip and them? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, yo, I got to meet him, man. You got to introduce me. And while we're standing there talking,

I'm looking at this nigga like, yo, this nigga's weird as fuck. The tour bus is at the light. Blinker on. Shit about to move. And I'm sitting there looking at this nigga, and he like, yo, you, I said, yo, you rap? He said, yeah.

I said, what's your name? He said, Magnum the Verb Lord. I said, oh, okay. So I start beatboxing. My man starts fucking rapping. These niggas rapping about the planets, and they want to Keith Murray shit. And that was fucking Pharrell. Wow.

Wait, say that again. Wow. What was his name again? Magnum the Verb Lord. That was his rap name. Wow. I'm glad that didn't work out for him either. Lord. That was his rap name. Wow. I'm glad that didn't work out for him either. That's not a good name.

Yeah, no. Definitely going to win with the government. But super ill. That's the first time I met Pharrell. So I want to get back to that, but I want to ask you something. You said you was freestyled, right? Right. Does a freestyle really have to be a freestyle?

The age- conversation I would say A freestyle can be two things It can be a rhyme you never heard Or it can be something made up Impromptu right on the spot Right That's the only two That's going to go that way

Otherwise it's just a written Right Some niggas were skilled At making it sound Like I came up with it on the spot I was real good at that. I'd throw in some shit around the room. Then I'd go into a little bit of red and do 16 bucks.

Come back over there. You're like, yeah, he did that old shit. Like, I was real good at that. I don't think it matters as long as it's dope. You know what I'm saying? Because at certain times, it's like niggas would go to Rap City. Let's say you go see Tigger. Like, niggas got Cam to Rap City. Let's say you go see Tigger. Right. Like, niggas got Cam there.

They got Jim there. They doing all these tapings. Fucking AZ is ready to do his shit. Like, nigga, like, it's no point of going in the booth with Tigger and trying to freestyle that shit. This shit's going to 18 million homes. Right. It better be polished. And make it dope.

You know what I'm saying? Nobody's going to give a fuck. If you fumble, they're going back down. This nigga fumbled in the booth, son. Like, he trying to come up. Like, what's the point? So I feel like, you know what it is? It's like a dunk.

OK. But it's still two points, nigga. Two points, no matter how good it looks. No matter how good it looks. Let's take a shot to that. It's still only two points. It's my shot. Come on, you're jigging already.

Nah, I didn't get a cup. Here, here, here, cup right here, goddamn it. Come on, drink your boo-tah. Boo-tah. Make that cup. Here, here, here. Cut right here, goddamn it. Come on. Drink your boo-tah. Boo-tah. Make that shit. Hold on, hold on. In this show, we celebrate motherfuckers' longevity. When 10 years, they want to kick people out the game.

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I like that one. How many you got? 10. OK. 10. Mm, I like the white grape. Candela! It's the best white grape ever.

I like that. I'm going to get ready for the next one. When I listen to you, it's like every single line matters to you. Right. You think that's a plus or a con to a certain extent? Because if I miss one thing, I could miss the whole concept of this.

So what do you think about years later? I mean, when I listen back to my old raps and shit, it's almost like I was super fucking confident and cocky. But who wasn't? And he was ahead of the time. And he was a battle MC. Yeah, I was a battle rap. I used to fucking demolish rappers.

Like, that was my whole thing. And, you know, going back and forth, you know, from Virginia to New York, riding up another turnpike trying to get on, like, we knew that we couldn't just be average.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we had to fucking be good. You know what I'm saying? You had to stand out out there. Like, yeah, so, that's how I ended up thinking, like, yo, where you from, nigga?

Like, and I'm like, I'm from Virginia. The answer was always, like, from where? Like, there ain't no niggas like that at VA. Like, yo, nigga's famous. I'm like I'm from Virginia The answer was always Like from where Like there ain't no niggas Like that at VA Like yo nigga's famous I'm like alright nigga

Like try me You know what I'm saying Like so that was my whole MO Like back then But yeah nah man It just It just went that way Because

Cause like I said It's just like Like it's every single line Right It's thought It's thought out Like it's like And well articulated

Right Right Cause I wanted people to understand What I was saying You know what I'm saying And like the mumble shit came later Like we You know

We made sure niggas could understand What the fuck we was saying Like For the most part You know what I mean Like that's what it was So And you like mumble rap

Or you off Listen man I feel like I always feel like the music going to do what the youth is doing. But wait a second. Hold up a second. You're going to tell me

that there's an artist out there saying I do mumble rap? Yeah. Come on, man. What asshole says I mumble rap? Yeah, there's even girls claiming like dancehall. They say, I mean,

that's one thing to call it mumble rap, but they going out there saying that's my shit, I'm a mumble rapper. Yeah. I mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble one thing to call it mumble rap, but they going out there saying, that's my shit, I'm a mumble rapper. Yeah. I'm a mumble, mumble, mumble, mumble. Yeah, you're playing mumble rap. Just like how Backpack was a bad term, and then, like, Tylee, but it was a different thing.

No, that's different, man. That's a little different. It's the same. It's the same. Because what it is is that for them, it's about the feeling. For us, it was about the content. They just care about what feel good. The music going to do what the kids going to do, bro.

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just what it is. Like, I like... I like that. I like that. I like that. I don't know what they say. Fuck it.

They don't know it either. Let me go back to the game. Let's go. Let's go. I learned to accept the new generation. You got to. Because the one thing that I hate about the new generation,

which blows me over, right? I accept it, but I do hate this part about it. Right. They'll sit there and make a record like Michael Jordan. They'll make a 23, right? They'll make a Mike Tyson. Nigga, you wasn't around when Mike Tyson was knocking people out. You wasn't around when Jordan was playing.

And why not study your own craft? Why not go out there and know who Melly Mel is? To know who Grandmaster Cass is. Know who Kool Herc is. You know what I'm saying? Maybe I went too far. To know who Norrie is. I kid you not, I went to Sunday service one time.

And I seen Crabremo just walk right by. We looked at Cremo, we looked it up, that thing ain't make eye contact with none of us. It was me, Jadakiss, and motherfucking Fat Joe. So I looked at all of them, I said, he ain't necronized them neither. So I ain't taking it personal. But what I'm trying to say is, I could easily, like Cremo could easily say, oh, I don't even know who it is.

And I would have had to respect that. Right. I would have been disappointed. But you'd have to respect that. But I would have to respect that because I remembered certain people that I didn't know in hip-hop who came before me

and I wanted to study them. Right. So, what do you feel like in that situation? But real quick, the culture taught us to dig in the crates. It taught us to respect the elderly. Even though we weren't from that era. was but real quick the culture taught us to dig in the crates it taught us

to respect the elders even though we weren't from that era we weren't from the Millie Melo Grandmaster Flash Quirk era but we knew

those were the architects the pioneers and even though we didn't listen to them every day we respected where they came from we didn't continue that

I'm saying like our generation because I put it in the connotation of like a car like so say I had I got a car I had it in the 90s and it was mine me and you was it in the connotation of like a car. So say I got a car. I had it in the 90s.

And it was mine. Me and you was fucking in the car. We was banging a lot of Mobb Deep, a lot of fucking Tribe, Lawrence Professor. Shit was hard. Keep it quaint. Keep it quaint. I like that.

I like that. I mean, y'all burrowed out the best rappers. Y'all burrowed out the best rappers. Cut that. Cut that. Cut that. I'm going to say that. So I gave the car to my son, right?

It's his car now. He don't give a fuck about the car. They niggas dogging the shit out of the car. But it's his car. Now, I see him pulling the driveway. I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo, nigga, like, fuck your back tire.

Yo, you got a slow leak. Like, nigga, he cranking up. I'm like, yo, your fuck, yo. The carburetor sounds funny, but he's not taking care of the car. But it's his car now. So we got to just step back and let these young niggas have it. That's a great fucking point. To an extent.

Nah, man. No, I'm going to tell you why to an extent, because it's a different time. We're all still in it. It's the first, this is the point of genre. Hold on. Hip hop has graduated to. We're all still in it. It's the first, this is the point of genre. Hold on. Hip-hop has graduated to having grandparents that are still in the car. What if you let your son borrow the car? Because that's what we all are.

We're all borrowers. Right. None of this shit is really ours. So we have a still choice if we borrow the car. But once we give him the car, I agree with you. Because sooner or later, I'm going to tell him. If he borrow it, I'm going to say, yo, nigga, you better take care of that shit. It's going to die on you. And then when this shit die on him, I just got to go say yo, you better take care that shit is gonna die on you

And then when you sit down on him, I just gotta go. I told you nigga like he fucked the car Or you borrow the car back and get an oil change for yes Sundays nigga, this is my shit Late late 80s no no late 80? Late 80s. No, no, no. Late 80s, early 90s. Okay. So, 89 to, like, 93. Yeah, I think that's the best I ever seen.

I think you'll be coming with that answer, too. Like, that was, listen, bro. We had some fuck-ups back then, but it was beautiful, man. Right, right. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, niggas was getting it. Right. 89 to 93, everything was fucking bumping.

Right. Everything sounded good. Everybody was making quality shit. Niggas was making other niggas was getting it. Right. 89 and 93. Everything was fucking bumping. Everything sounded good. Everybody was making quality shit. Niggas was making other niggas get better. People were still sampling, which made the music sound amazing. Like niggas was hearing other niggas and then like, no, no, I got to go get my shit right. You know what I'm saying? And we didn't try to sound like each other back then. No, we didn't.

No, that was the thing. You couldn't sound like anybody else. Nigga, I could go to a show in fucking 90 and it'll be too short. KRS-One, fucking Digital Underground, EPMD, like all these niggas on the same bill. Like now, you could never do no shit like that.

You couldn't have fucking Migos on the same bill with J. Cole. This shit wouldn't make sense. I don't see that. I ain't gonna lie. I don't fuck with that. I would, but the kids wouldn't probably. You know what I'm saying? So it's a different era. I hate the way they can't see that. I ain't gonna lie. I don't fuck with that. I would, but the kids wouldn't probably. You know what I'm saying? So it's a different era.

I hate the way they can't mesh now. Because back then, niggas in that era, you was just a nice nigga for then. I kind of like what Nas was doing with the kids' disease. He kind of put the... With hip boy. Yeah, yeah. Nah, nah, nah. Like I said, that nigga can do no wrong, bro. Nas can't do no wrong. He's a fucking god in this rap shit.

You know what I'm saying? Love him. Love him. So how did, um, alright, cause you were signed to Timbaland at one point. We already said that. Yes. How did you guys hook up though?

How did that initially, cause you know, was it just a Virginia thing or was- Magoo. Okay, Magoo. Magoo. Magoo. Magoo fucking, I'm- Where the fuck is Magoo at, man?

Yeah, I'm about to say. Yo, yo, you know that nigga, and like he managed all his niggas do real estate, I think he was managing artists for a while. Magoo fucking I'm Where the fuck is Magoo at? Yo, yo, you know that nigga, he managed all his nigga do real estate I think, he was managing artists for a while, Magoo good I'm clapping up for fucking Magoo Let's do a shot at Magoo, come on

So what happened was, it's 97 it's the No Way Out tour in Virginia in Virginia, they hit Missy, Tim and Magoo Come down To where I'm from The city I'm from

To come to the show Fucking Puff is killing it There's no way out Biggie has passed And the fucking Puff is mashing I'm backstage Fucking D-Dot The Lox

Mace We shooting dice and shit And I see Magoo in the hallway And he like Yo Nigga what you doing? And I'm like I said I can't see fucking puff daddy fuck like nigga he's like yo who you with now when your new shit coming I say yo nah like I ain't on big b no more like that's just joining my feet out nigga like I'm

I'm chilling I'm a free agent he said nigga you ain't got no deal I said nah he said nigga you got me Tim I'm like okay the nigga introduces me to Tim. So you didn't grow up with Tim. I thought, no. He introduces me to Tim. I see Missy. I see Tim. And Magoo is, like, pressing him.

Like, no, nigga, this is the nigga. He got to be with us. Like, this nigga don't got no deal. That's blasphemy. He need to be with us. So Tim like, all right, cool. Come to the studio tomorrow and shit. I drive to Virginia Beach, meet Tim. We do, like, alright cool, come to the studio tomorrow. I drive to Virginia Beach, meet Tim,

we do like seven songs in one day. And from then on, I was with him. And that's how I ended up hype manning for Missy. And that's when I started watching the song writing process because Missy don't even have a deal and the fucking Lambo was purple. You know what I'm saying? The jewels is trucked.

And I'm sitting there like, what am I doing wrong? So it's before you start ghostwriting? That was around the time. And like I said, Missy was doing Mariah Carey's in the studio. Janet Jackson coming down here like, Steelo, 702, Aaliyah shit.

And I'm just like, yo. And she don't even want a deal. She like, nah, nigga, I don't want no record deal and fucking Missy is killing them and she was like

yo I gotta do this show cause she hated doing shows she was um Mona Mona was her manager and she hated doing shows

cause she was a studio rat so she like yo skills to come and do this show cause she knew I could remember all of the words

so Missy hopped on stage and the thing was when she looked to me that was my cue to finish the rhyme because I don't remember this shit. So she would, Missy be putting it down, I'm the hottest round, I told your mother, Scott, y'all just got me now.

And then I go, I'm less than 20 rounds, and then, man, man, man, she like, that's what I was there for. I choked with Missy for a while. Just her hype, but I learned. Like, Missy for a while. But I learned. Like, Missy was fucking amazing with that shit, bro. She was crazy. You got your shot?

You got your shot? Yeah. Come on, come on, goddamn it. You got to turn up. You got to turn up. Salute. Salute. Yeah, no, Missy was amazing.

That's who you got to get on, Missy. We need Missy, man. Yeah, we need Missy. We've been trying to get Missy for a minute. We have Timberland. We have Pharrell. We have Pusha. We're going to get Malice.

You got to do this. We're going to solve this whole Virginia thing, man. Yes, that would be awesome. Y'all deserve your props, Virginia. Thank you. Thank you. I'm from a magical place, man. And let's just be clear, in my personal career,

Virginia changed my life. You was real in your career, yeah. Me meeting Pharrell. And let's be clear. I was the hot dude at the time when I met Pharrell. Pharrell met me and was like, yo, listen. You listen to me, we're going to go number one. He acts like he's knocking them.

He acts a little humble now. Right. But he was cocky back then. As a motherfucker. I remember. He was like, yo, you're not closing your album without me on it. And I was like, yes. I was like, you know what?

I believe this little guy. Like, he had a choke on, like, he had a choke on, he was mad tight. You know what I'm saying? His clothes, he came in the game with tight clothes. Facts. This is nigga, like, he was tight. He was tight. And he was always different.

And what's crazy is when you look at it, for me, for me to be here, like, your life was changed by a nigga from Virginia. My life was changed by a nigga from Virginia. My life was changed by a nigga from Queens. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Six Degrees in San Francisco. Six Degrees in San Francisco.

That's it. I deserve another shot. Let me get another shot for that. God damn. God damn, let's do another shot. Ever grateful that you said that. Whoa. Yo, that's so crazy.

Like, you have a really rich Hip hop story So bouncing around How did you come up with the rap I was I was in Baltimore At my family's crib And I did a mixtape

Best of the I was doing mixtapes Cause Tim was popping at the time Pharrell was popping I did a best of Neptune's mixtape. Best of the, I was doing mixtapes, cause Tim was poppin' at the time, Pharrell was poppin', I did a best of Neptune's mixtape. Right? I'm rappin' over your shit, I'm rappin' over Grindin', I'm rappin' over Mod on Lover, all the hard shit that I couldn't get.

I did a beat over, I did a joint over Roscoe P. Coltrane shit, and my man says, yo, my man just turned around and he said, yo, you should rap over that Common Come Close shit. And I was like, nigga, my man just said, yo, you should rap over that calm and come close shit. And I was like, nigga, niggas don't even know Pharrell. Dude, that shit ain't hard. Like, nigga, I want the hard shit.

I want what happened to that boy. He's like, nah, nigga, you should do that. And I'm sitting there and I'm watching TV and it was this, it was 2002. It was this, they was talking about the year end, whatever, whatever. So I go, all right, so fuck, I'll rap about everything that's about to happen at the end of the year, and if a nigga get to the end of the mixtape, he'll get a little surprise or whatever, and I put the shit at the end. So I put the shit at the end.

This was right when internet was popping, and my man put it on his website. He called me the next day. He said, yo, man, I think I have to get more bandwidth. I was like, who the fuck is bandwidth? He said, yo, motherfuckers is downloading the shit out of this mixtape. And then radio starts playing the shit and they playing the wrap up

and I'm like, nah nigga, play the grinding freestyle, nigga. Like I body that shit, like nigga. Like they not playing none of that. They playing the over the common come close.

And then the shit starts burning that radio and then it comes back around to 2003. Niggas say, yo, you gonna do another wrap up next year? I'm like, what?

I called that shit the O2 Freestyle. He was like, no, you gotta do one more for this year. That shit was hot. And I'm like, alright, fuck it.

So I did another one and then the shit just started turning into something else. You know what I'm saying? That's the one song niggas won't let me not do. Yeah, but you still enjoy

doing them though? I do, but it's definitely a... Like it feels like an obligation now? It definitely feels like, you know what I'm saying? It definitely feels like

a fucking... Like niggas won. But to think about it, to have something, well, to have something that's your own, that people only want from you, at this day and age in our career, is super fucking, we,

when that's like, oh, niggas begging me about that shit, but like nigga, they still want that shit. Every Easter, my fans want me to drop a nor'easter. Because I used to give them mixtapes called nor'easters. Okay, so now I gotta, let's take a shot, let's take a shot, let's take a shot, then we gonna take a shot. Sal give it to him. Okay, so now I gotta, let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. Then we're gonna take a shot. Salud.

Salud. Let's get it. So you do this wrap up. You make the wrap up. Everyone knows the year end, we, skills is gonna come through.

You're gonna wrap up the year. You're gonna make us laugh. And you might come out with a couple of people too. Right. You come out with people with your wall purple wig. This is the wrap too. Right. You come out with people with a purple wig that's in a wrapper.

Right. And all of a sudden you hear a different wrapper. Hmm? What happens? Oh, the New York wrapper. No, listen. It's the New York wrapper.

No, it's not the New York wrapper. No, no, it's the New York wrapper. I don't know what a New York wrapper is. Oh, you're talking about Lenny shit. Oh, shit. I knew that was his real name. But. Oh, you're talking about the Lenny shit.

All right, so what happened? The first year he dropped it, were you offended the first year? Or how did this discrepancy start? No, understand. Like, I've been doing this shit 19 years, right? The rapper? Yes. It's fucking, it's a Malaysian rap up. It's a Hong Kong rap up years, right? The rap up. Yes, it's fucking,

it's a Malaysian rap up, it's a Hong Kong rap up, it's a UK rap up. It's fucking Tina Fey did a 30 Rock rap up. You got franchises. I've written rap ups for The Wire, fucking ESPN,

SportsCenter, like all this shit. So, when the nigga did it, I'm used to it. Vine was popping, YouTube. Niggas was doing the shit all over. But most niggas would be like, yo, this is the so-and-so wrap-up.

Shout my man Mad Skills. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. They knew they was biting. Right. Like, but it was to show love. Right. For Lenny, because I'm petty. For Lenny, it I'm petty, for Lenny, it was, he did it, and it was like, fuck his shit.

So I'm like, so let me give you an analogy. I've been in the game a long time. Yes. 19 years. Hold on. I feel like Zeno's calling a negative time for the right person. Hold on. Hold on. But Zeno, we're in a negative moment

in the drink chance of your calling. What does that mean? We're in a negative moment in the drink chance of your calling. He knew the drum, he knew the drum. You're in the middle of the... What's going on, bro? Huh?

Where you at? What's going on, nigga? I'm on a drink chance right now with bad skills. Okay, I'm in Boston. Oh, okay, don't hurt nobody. We're gonna hit you soon as we finish. All right, bro. All right, got you, my bro. All right, my'm in Boston. Okay, don't hurt nobody. We're going to hit you as soon as we finish. All right, got you, my bro. All right, my bad. Continue.

So, because I saw what you said. Won't y'all do it together? Yes. Bust this. I've been in the game a long time. 20 years. I know a lot of niggas. I started a podcast, Hip Hop Confessions, 10 years ago, right?

Right. Let's say, I say, yo, I called Dr. Dre. Like, yo, I want you to be on my podcast. He like, alright, fuck it, nigga.

Let's do it. I call Andre 3000, go, yo, nigga, I'ma get Andre 3000 and fucking Dr. Dre on my fucking podcast. Record the shit, shit crazy.

Alright. Next week, I put the shit on YouTube, shit stupid and it's called Link Champs. Y'all niggas cool with that? Nah, not really. Exactly. Exactly.

Y'all like your little parables. Just be putting parables together. That's it. That's how Jesus talks. Like, let's keep it a bean. I can't call my shit what y'all call y'all shit. This Drink Champs, I can't start Link Champs next week. And fucking, I start, you go on YouTube,

and you see me sitting at a table with a bunch of licking, and I go, yo, what it do, what it is, this is one of those cases, and you see, make some noise, this is Link Champs. Well, to be told, we got a lot of copiers out there. We do, we do have a lot of copiers. But what I'm saying is, you wouldn't expect it from me.

Right, right. You'd be like, come on, man. That's not a deal. From like a peer, a peer. Right, so what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, and what I'm saying is, it's almost like,

that's the New York wrap up. Like, it is what it is. I don't, I'm petty. It is what it is. Like, but he was the first nigga to be like, fuck me on my shit. Right. I can't, I'm petty. It is what it is. But he was the first nigga to be like, fuck me on my shit. I can't rap over fucking allow me to reintroduce myself. Fuck ho. Y'all be like, what?

I can't do that. But how did it start? Because for lack of a better term for what we don't know, was it felt like it was all love at first. And I heard you and Clark Kent I heard Clark Kent made a call to you or made a call to him and you guys got on the phone at one point me and him never talked on the phone Clark Kent called me OG I'm like what's up OG he like yo I listen you know you know you know Lenny

my young right I said yeah I cool he said yeah I saw I know he do what he do he do what he do his shit funny you he do. His shit funny. He on some rah-rah shit. Just that and a third. Like, I was thinking, if y'all niggas did this shit together, I said, Clark, fuck is wrong with you, nigga? He was like, what you mean? I said, Clark, would you call Hove and

say 21 Savage want to do 22 twos with you? Like, it don't make sense. I wouldn't take a picture with that nigga. So, I fucking, I'm not fucking with it, but I'm not saying nothing. And every year,

it's fuck mad skills. Fuck mad skills. No, I've got to disagree with that. I didn't hear. No, nigga. No. He didn't say that on Dream Channel.

Of course he didn't. But I think there was an actual interview where you was like, correct me if I'm wrong, where Myrna was saying he wasn't really claiming it. And then you did an interview and you was like, yeah, I didn't really like it. Somewhat to what you're saying there. And then that's when he said he took it. I said in one song, maybe 2017, I said a lot of niggas doing wrap ups.

Shit ain't helping y'all niggas, whatever. He felt like I took a shot, right? This 2018, I get a call, I get a job at a university, nigga, I'm teaching at a college. Let's make some noise for your smart ass. Hey! I'm teaching, I'm teaching. They gonna give me a lot of jobs,

they never gonna give me a teacher job. You never know. I'm teaching at a college, right? I have a class. I'm a professor at this point. I'm like, all right, I'm going to do the wrap-up this year. I'm going to knock it down. I said, yo, I ain't going to say nothing about Lenny unless he say something about me.

Song come out. Yo, this is the 2018 wrap-up. Fuck that nigga, MadSkillz shit. Yo, blah, blah, blah. He starts rapping So I go I'ma check this nigga Right now

Totally I'm fucking I put out this shit And I'ma tell you what happened I'm writing the wrap up I'm in the studio Writing the wrap up Got my notes

Writing the wrap up I get a DM From Lenny Grant That says I ain't mean to take your shit but you the PG version I'm rated R nigga plus you whack anyway.

I said I'm going to lyrically kick this nigga in the pussy. Tom, was that Tom, Tom was that word for word? Yes.

Verbatim? Let me tell you let me tell you what happened. I'm going to be wild when you say that. Can we see exhibit number one? No, no, no. The nigga says, yo, I ain't mean to take your shit.

You the PG version, I'm the R version. Plus you fell off anyway, my G. I said, I'm gonna check this nigga now. All right, all right. I take the DM and make the DM, I put out a song called Murdergram, demolish this nigga. Okay.

Demolish them over Murdergram. Oholish this nigga. Demolish them. Over Murdergram. Oh, boom, boom, boom. All that shit. Fucking, uh, I put the song out and everybody go to the beef. Because the wrap-ups is done. Niggas don't care about the wrap-ups. They're like, oh shit, fucking mad skills in this nigga going at it.

They've been tossing it back and forth for years, this nigga. I bodied this nigga going at it. They've been tossing it back and forth for years, this nigga. I bodied this nigga over Murdergram and made the DM the cover art for the single. Because I didn't want niggas to be like, why he dissing him now? Oh, you posted it, so it's there. Nigga, this shit's out. This shit's on YouTube. Hold on, nigga, man. I'm on the air. This shit's called Murdergram. I started this shit. I told the whole story.

I said motherfuckers want to kill me, but they ain't got the heart. So I'm going to pick the mic back up for this walk in the park. And I don't want credit for this. This ain't nothing. I'm just answering a nigga that kept pressing my buttons. Uncle Murder. What's all the fuss about? Nigga, keep my fucking name out your brown ass mouth. Clark Kent, your man about to hold his L

so roll some weed. I got a story to tell. And I tell the whole shit of how Clark hit me. Say, yo, y'all should link up. This, that, and third. Body the nigga. I'm waiting. You know how it is when rapping 2020, 2018. You got 24 hours.

Nigga took like two weeks and it wasn't a worthy response. And that's when I realized I'm not beefing with a nigga that care about rap. I'm beefing with a nigga that care about attention. We different. I'm different. I'm from a different class.

So for me, I'm like, I saw you had him here. Probably was a slow day. Go, shut up. I'm petty. saw you had him here probably was a slow day I'm petty no respectfully I'm not I'm respectfully petty you're going in

I'm respectfully petty but I got love for him like I got love for him but because and I jumped out the window to do some dead shit and I was like he don't want to do that

he just he just want people to pay attention to what he doing and I get it that shit works Sometimes shit work for 50. Hey old to 2021 like so I did it it was what it was but nigga I'm like I'm teaching a class So I'm a world star at the same time at a fucking faculty fucking faculty meeting. Like, this shit weird. And I'm trying to push this shit to the left. I'm trying to push this shit to the left. And they were like, yo, you know, I know your diss song came out. I never forget. What, the other teachers?

Yeah. No, the professor I worked with, he was like, yo. The dean was like, gotta call you to my office. That fucking, that hip hop, that diss track. That hip hop. I'm at the crib, right? My daughter works at a daycare. She's like 25 years old.

She comes into the house. She's like, hey. I said, hey, what's up? She said, so one of my students' parents came in. And apparently you made a diss song. I was like, I ain't made no diss song. She was like, so no, they come in and they go, yo, your dad fucking bodied that shit.

And she like, she's my daughter. You see what I told you, all hip hop is growing up, man. My daughter goes, no, no, no, no, no, that's the wrap up. He does that every year. He said, the nigga said, no, no, no, as he's putting his coat on his tie, I said, no, no, no, I know about the wrap up. That's some other shit.

She like, you got a diss record on? Nigga, so I'm sitting there. I said, yo, the nigga kept saying my name, like, Corinne. She's like, let me hear it. I like, no, no, no. She's like, dad, let me hear it. So I'm like, fuck.

I have to play my daughter my diss record. I hit the button. Shit come on, murder gram. Boom, boom, boom. Hard ass beat. And she listened to it. And I'm just sitting there like, and I'm the button. Shit come on, murder gram. Hard ass beat. And she listened to it and I'm just sitting there like, and I'm fucking going.

I'm like, Lenny Grant, nigga, your name signed just to be on the side of a funeral home. Nigga, like,

nigga, you signed a G unit 10 years too late. I'm going to fuck him. And my daughter's listening to it and I'm just sitting there like, fucking embarrassed. And she stops

and she goes, so don't you have a class tomorrow? I said yeah, she said dad, what are you doing? I said yo, but you gotta understand, like 96, 97, like niggas don't never disrespect fucking, I'm fucking jaded, baby. I imagine you're pacing back and forth. So when she said it, I'm sitting there and I'm like,

damn, like I'm playing a diss song for my daughter at late 40s, this shit feel weird. You know what I'm saying? But the whole, you know, the whole, I got Deebo, like nigga, I'm from Virginia, nigga. Ain't nobody never took nothing from me. But a L, like period. So it's the New York rapper.

Well this is shots of y'all working it out. I hope y'all work it out. Damn, that's a New York rapper. Well this is a shot to y'all working it out. I hope y'all work it out. They got some filthy ass shots out there. Yo, you see my shot is disrespectful and I'm warning for myself. Listen man, you know, we might work it out. If y'all let me do Link Champs. Yeah. Let's work that out.

Is that something that's a problem in hip-hop? It's just like, you know, I see the homie walking, my homie, Snoop homie, and I was such a fan of Snoop. Right. But I never wanted to do nothing Snoop did because I felt like that was him.

Is that something that's a problem in hip-hop is that people actually see something that they like and they imitate that? It's a problem in hip-hop is that people actually see something they like and they imitate that? It's a problem now because the gatekeepers don't call it what it is. Like, nigga, you didn't take nothing, nigga. You bid it. Let's keep it a being. I'm from Virginia, nigga. Ain't nobody never took nothing from me.

You bid it. Like, I can't fucking, I can't come out tomorrow and make an album called The War Report. I wouldn't like, I can't come out tomorrow and make an album called The War Report. I wouldn't like that. Exactly. Like I can't go to Virginia and get some niggas and say yo we gonna start a new clique. They like what's the name? I'm like yo nigga it's called Dipset.

Like nigga nah nigga. Like at some point somebody gotta say that shit ain't cool my nigga. And this nigga, like Lenny old, I'm petty. Lenny old enough to know He like He old enough to know I respect that For my younger But

He's actually Playing into the game Not just being A definite advocate He's actually Playing into the game And the game is Brooklyn has always

Been known for Brooklyn keeps on taking Yeah well Brooklyn Ain't taking shit From a nigga like me I'm from Virginia Like it's not I'm just saying

You can't You can't just Take something from me Like it's not, I'm just saying, you can't just take something from me. Like, it's going to come with something. And when I checked them for it, I was expecting a response. And then when I didn't get

a worthy response, I was like, damn, I'm not even going at it with a nigga that's respectable. Like, it's not fab. It ain't Kiss. It's not, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you know what I mean? I named 20 Brooklyn niggas in the song that I would rather battle than him. Like, shit was crazy. I was talking cashas in the song that I would rather battle than him. Like, shit was crazy. I was talking cash. I was wild.

I was definitely wild. Right. Do you regret that or no? Absolutely not. Oh, okay. Why would I? It's all in the game. Right.

You know what I'm saying? It's hip-hop. It's what we do. It was fun to spar with a nigga for a minute on stage. And then when I realized he didn't really want to spar,

he just wanted the attention, I was like, we different. I'm not chasing attention But is there a world world where all these rap-ups do exist where everyone is is cordial or this? Well, he said where they're paying him homage where they're paying respect for where it came from. That's what he's original before 2002 nobody was making a yearly recap of what happened I've been a dash and I'm not tri. We agree. And I'm not tripping. Like I said,

I'm not tripping. YouTube niggas doing all day. Half the cast on Wild N' Out made wrap-ups. But they was always like, shout out to that nigga

Mad Skills and kept it moving. We got called a biter, a biter. But I gotta just be a devil's advocate. You know how many people call themselves slob

and they don't give me no respect? I feel you. O't give me no respect I feel like you know how many people think there's actually games yes let me just tell you how slow better rid it my boy down easy said I won't go to the store to get a Pepperdine sandwich do you want anything and Pepperdine sandwich. Do you want anything? And Pepperdine sounded like pepperoni to me. So I said, no. The homie came back in the studio with a turkey and cheese.

I said, that's not pepperoni. I said, Pepperdine, not pepperoni. And I said, look, give me half. And he said, you's a slime-ass nigga. I just offered you a sandwich. And I took this shit. And from that day on, we called each other slime. Right, right.

Simple as that. There's games called slime. Yeah. They don't salute me. Right. There's Young Thug, this nigga got his whole career, he has never said, big up Normie, not once. Now mind you, this goes back to when I was young.

I got a good point y'all, that was a good point. Yes, good point. That's a good point. That's a good point. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This goes back to what I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This goes back to what I said earlier.

Niggas don't care about who first. But we do. Right. You know what I'm saying? We the type of niggas like, yo, like, yo, who got you into hip hop? I'm going to tell you, first niggas I listen to, they got me started on this shit.

I'm not going to disrespect them. I'm not going to say nothing crazy about them. Like, we got to call a spade a spade at some point, because otherwise, niggas just start acting loose. Like, it's not trolling, my nigga. Let's call it what it is. You lying for attention. If I do something dumb for attention,

that's called lying for attention. It's not called trolling, my nigga. But let me... We fucking 40 and better. Let me represent for the new generation, too. The new generation just didn't know where that came from. Right? He ain't new. He knew. I'm petty. Right. for the new generation too. What if the new generation just didn't know where that came from? Right?

He ain't new. He knew. I'm petty. Right. But he ain't new. Right, it's true. Like I can see, like I told you,

if it was somebody 21, like yo, I see niggas like, yo, I'm the new nigga, you know what I'm saying, we call weed broccoli. I'm like nigga, that's like nigga,

what you thought, that's E40. Yeah, E40 had that shit, yeah. Like that shit was 91. Or the moment they find out then you know you Say look little niggas Like one of the most illest one of the nicest guys I've ever, but we got to call a spade a spade at some point.

Who's one of the nicest guys you ever met? E40. Yeah. Let me see if the water's around. You know what I'm saying? So, wait a minute. So, we're going to get, no, you don't want to work it out. You're saying you don't want to work it out, but not on a wrap-up.

How about, this is a crazy thing, right? Dude, we passed away. Right. Dude passed away from my hood. So away off for my hood so do for my hood come home in jail says hey man I want to diss you on the record and I say before what he said because I think that's the way I can get on corny shit is that corny like we got called goofy go oh but so I told him I said I knew he was just come home from jail he's just rapping his diggin diggin the death row

shit all the guys I listen that's pretty he's digging this death row shit, all the crazy... I said, all right, listen. That's pretty good though, I can't... I said, let's do it together. On the stage, I want you to diss me in my face. Like the LL shit? No, no, this is different. I want you to diss me in my face and then I'm going to diss you in your face,

but I'm also going to show you I'm a rapper. Right. And it never happened. Right. Do you think like, it's something like that like, can be happen where you guys... Like a face off on the same track? And it never happened. Right. Do you think, like, it's something like that that can happen where you guys...

Like a face-off on the same track? On the same... In the same studio. You need to get bodied, man. Okay. Get bodied. He's not...

He ain't a rapper like that. It's more like he ain't a comedian. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how I look at him. I think Uncle Murda's dope. I think Uncle Murda's dope. I think Uncle Murda's dope. That's cool.

Right. That's cool. That shit means I get it. Right. Like, I get it. I don't think you're dope. It's not taking away from me. And I appreciate it.

No, no, no. Not at all. But I'm just saying, for me, it's like, it just don't feel like hip-hop to me. Right. You know what I'm saying? But to me, it does feel like hip-hop. That's because you just want to see some drama. No, I think, no, no. I don't thinkhop. That's good. You just want to see some drama

He wants to y'all tonight even case Ultimately because that's what I said, I think y'all should do the track together I do feel like I think I Amuse first. Yeah, you say I think you're trying together like me saying I think I should be on every drink chance from here on out. Like maybe when he hears how you're saying it here, maybe it'll click differently. Maybe, but I wish the brother know it well, man. Like we did what we did. I thought it was fun. I know you called him like, yo, nigga, keep it going.

Yeah, I did. The first time, I did. I did say that. That's why I felt guilty because the first time I heard it, I was like, all right, cool. But I didn't think it was no malice towards you for the first time, I did, I did say that. I did, that's why I felt guilty, because the first time I heard it, I was like, all right, cool. But I didn't think it was no malice towards you for the first one. I don't have that kind of time, bro.

I don't have 15 minutes to listen to a nigga rap. Right, right. Maybe you do. Right, right, all right, yeah, yeah. Little bit. I'm petty. Yeah. He's petty.

Petty game mafia. It's disrespectful, like, you said, welcome to petty game mafia. No, no, he started it. Yeah. Yeah, starting. I think you might be the pettiest motherfucker we got on the show. You know what? I'm only that way when you poke me. You got to understand, for three years I'm going to the barber shop. My barber like, yo, nigga, what's up with your man though?

I'm like, yeah, nah, I'm chilling. You know what I'm saying? They're like, nah, nigga. If you would have told me in 96, 97, when I was fuckin' goin' back and forth to New York tryin' to get on, that a nigga from the borough would take somethin' from a nigga from

Virginia to be relevant, I would've been like, nigga, what? Like, nigga, y'all are the mecca to us. We always felt like we had to prove our way. You know what I'm sayin'? I remember goin' to fuckin' to the Chic Loots, it's Pharoah Mont's video, right? And Pharoah, K-Slay is outside,

and the drama hour was the biggest shit in the world. And I'm like, yo, I walk up to K-Slay, I'm like, yo, man, you know, I think it's Graf, Papu, some other niggas. I said, yo, man, how I get on the drama hour? And the nigga said, I mean, shit, man, you got to be nice. Nigga ain't even look at me. Nigga like, you got to be nice.

I'm like, damn, you trying to say I ain't nice? He's like, I'm just saying you got to be nice. So I go to raucous. Like, nigga, I got to get on the fucking drama hour. Fuck, I don't give a fuck how y'all make it happen. It's a street nigga up there named Howie McDuffie. He like, nah, nigga, I make it happen. You know what I'm saying?

Howie McDuffie, get a look at G. Yeah, Howie McDuffie. So Howie finagles it to where me, Mos, and Pharoah, and this new nigga that they got go up to the drama aisle. And this is when Rockets was kind of, niggas was like, damn, Rockets might be the next fucking Def Jam. This shit kind of bubbling, you know what I'm saying? We go to the drama aisle, I never forget, I rapped over in the club. I rapped over in the club. I rapped over in the club, body the shit, and the nigga K Slay goes, yo, he's talking to the nigga Malachi, the nigga that

used to do the boy bands, he's like, yo, Malachi, like real talk, that might be the hottest freestyle nigga ever set up here, B. And I'm just like, yes, nigga. Like, I'm not no fucking cornball, and I get fucking busy. So we always had to go to New York to prove ourselves. You know what conversation I'm about to get into? Which one? No, I don't. Are you one of the South guys? Oh, come on, man.

Come on, man. You feel like New York don't show love to the South? And I want you to be... Because we talk about this a lot because I talk about the Miami perspective to this. Because I get offended, right? When y'all focus, and I'm putting y'all in the category of the South.

Can I get another shot? No, Virginia's the South. Let's get another shot. Let's get another shot. So, here's where I get offended. Because me personally, I don't have the experience that a lot of these South people...

Like I said, I was going to Virginia. You were. We did hella shows together., like I said, I was going to Virginia. You was. We did hella shows together. This is what I'm trying to say to you. So, in my opinion, me and this guy, because he loves Miami, goddammit. As he should.

As he should. But what I'm saying is, I feel like a lot of the South guys are wrong for paying attention to what was not shown to you guys as opposed to what the love was shown. What? That don't make no sense to me.

What is he talking about? Meaning, meaning, a lot of the times you guys sit around and you say, you know what, New York can't give love. This guy can't get love. But how about the Hoves?

How about the Norweys? How about the people who wasn't racing the South? Who was going down there? How about the people who wasn't racing the South? Who was going down there? How about the Fat Joes? Hold up, hold up. But I said this a bunch of times on Drink Chats.

I love this conversation, First of all, I said it was, the industry was the biggest problem. The inner workings of the industry. Y'all kept it to yourselves. Not you, maybe not Fat Joe,

not the individual artists. That's what I needed to hear. Yeah, that's it. But y'all, y'all, understand, y'all are the mecca. So nigga,

I remember going to the New Music Seminars, the Rocksteady in Nepal, just trying to get respect from y'all because New York was the mecca. So when fucking Stretch and Bobbito told me I was dope, nigga, I was dope. When motherfucking Q-Tip told me I was dope, I was dope. You know what I'm saying? So it's like when the shit switched.

If the source wrote about you, the sources in New York at the time. When the shit switched, it was like we gave shit's with if the source wrote about you the sources of my own shit switch It was like we all we gave so much love to y'all A lot of us felt like fucking like fucking outcasts on the sauce stage like damn like oh Snoop like there y'all love us. We all understood that like he made that fucking... The stoop was different as a whole different thing, but I understand what you're saying. But I mean it was all in the same vein, kinda. Salud, god damn it. Salud, god damn it. Salud. Salud. But we felt like that. We felt like that, you know what I mean?

Salud. We felt like that. And it wasn't personal, that's the thing. It was never personal. You're thinking it's individual artists or the artists, it's not personal with the artists. Because Fat Joe ain't come to Miami until like 2000. No, no, no, Fat Joe been coming out here since the 90s. I moved. Oh no, move. But he been coming out here since the 90s. I moved. Oh, no, move.

He been coming out here doing a lot of work out here. South really shouldn't have that complaint because shit. Oh, is it? Everybody from the- You can't speak for us, bro.

Everybody from the East Coast grandmother had a tie to the South. Yes. Yeah, okay. I understand. So this is what I'm trying to tell you. Even from the West Coast. Facts. We all kind of came to the South. Yeah, okay, I understand. So this is what I'm trying to tell you. Even from the West Coast,

we all kind of came from the South. Slavery to the South. Big facts. And then, so, that's what I'm saying. I feel like y'all always judge that for young people. Young people who didn't travel as much.

There's no way I could go to Atlanta. I went to 112, what was that shit? Yeah, I went to Atlanta. In New York, if you were going to a strip club went to 112, what was that shit? Yeah, yeah, Coach Tupou in Atlanta. Atlanta, New York. If you would go to a strip club in New York, you a wankster. And I was out there and they had like, they said, there's three things you don't do in a strip club.

You don't tip, you don't eat, and you don't shit. Yeah. My first week in Miami, I broke all three of those rules. The first day, I'm like, fuck this thing. He ate and shat at the same time. Shot your wings out and tipped every bitch in there. It was crazy.

That's what I noticed. See, in New York, it wasn't we calling y'all bammers. We were saying that, you know, it was a different people. It was our different cousins. Remember, y'all are cousins. We're all family members. You understand what I'm saying? And when we got to the West Coast it was a little different too but the South

honestly is all of our grandmothers have a grand... I think you're talking about different things man. No, what I'm saying is this is what I'm trying to say. What I'm trying to say is people felt like East Coast wasn't giving it up to the South. They was always calling for... East Coast wasn't giving it to New York.

New York wasn't giving it to nobody. And the industry lived in New York. That thing is his haters man. So you couldn't giving it up to the South. They was always calling for... East Coast wasn't giving it up to New York. New York wasn't giving it up to nobody. And the industry lived in New York. That thing is his haters, man. So you couldn't do it. But you know what? The radio in New York is true. I don't see this shit, man. I don't see what y'all mean.

And you shouldn't see it. You wouldn't see it. Let me ask you a question. Yes, please. I remember watching a podcast and you was like, yo, when I went to L.A., I was looking around. I was making sure, you know what I mean? Shit was good.

Why was you doing that? I wasn't tuned in. Exactly. I wasn't tuned in. Exactly. So for us, like, of course, it's slow. Everything's slow. We're not slow as Texas.

But, you know what I'm saying? It's not just chop and screw music. But you come down south, shit gets slower. But for us, it was like we always shows our love like y'all came down there went to schools went to the HBCU I'm saying like we got we got up was fucking our business That whole was gonna get money. I know that And it's like we adopted some of this shit After some of this shit from y'all so it's like when Tim's got poppin we threw in the terms when the bubble goose like everything Was about y'all so it was like when it became about somebody else to see certain

Artists like that shit corny. We're not fucking with them type niggas like damn like nigga We just we doing what hip-hop is we rapping about what we know from where we are You know I'm saying Like everybody Ain't gonna be that You know what I'm saying So I think When people like Tim and Pharrell Got in the studio

To make music They knew what They couldn't make We couldn't make No premiere type sound In boom bap hip hop Y'all already did that We couldn't make

Baltimore Club Baltimore Club was already popping Couldn't make Jersey House She was already done Couldn't do Go Go So she was already done Can't do the loop shit Can't do the done. Couldn't do Go-Go. So she was already done. Can't do the loop shit. Can't do the loop shit.

Can't do the screw and chop shit. Can't do the chronic shit. Can't do the chronic shit. So it's like, damn, nigga, I'm going to sample this baby. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to sample this ill-ass noise.

And for Tim, that was the illest because I've never seen a nigga sit down and beatbox a fucking beat and then touch a fucking something and make it. So the nigga would sit down and go, I want this shit to go. And the nigga would find the sound that went. And I'm sitting there like, yo, this nigga's fucking great.

He beatboxes all this shit. I worked with Timbaland. Please don't forget this story. I worked with Timbaland one time. He was like this. No, this is how I want your rhyme to go. Do, do, do,'t forget your story. I worked with Timbaland one time, he was like this, No, this is how I want your rhyme to go. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, And then Missy did it I took too long And he came in To Missy And Missy had a rock I was like Oh shit

Nigga listen Them two niggas Pharrell And fucking And Tim You gotta listen To them two niggas Because they'll have you

They'll change your whole life And niggas wasn't listening You know what I'm saying Like I ain't doing that corny ass Same way when Pharrell Gave you some babes He's like

I'm not walking around With these fake ass F-01s Look what happened Yep Babe owe me a check I don't. He's like, man, I'm not walking around with these fake-ass Air Force Ones. Yeah, I swear to God. Look what happened. Yep. Babe, I'll be a check. I don't know what's your problem, babe. Like, I was your guinea pig for two years. I was walking around, niggas was like, you know, ain't you getting money?

How you gonna have no fucking fake Air Force Ones, my dude? You don't remember? Because they looked just like Air Force Ones. Yeah, I remember you getting those. Yeah, people were laughing at me. I'm sorry. No, those two dudes, man, changed the face of music, man. Right. And it ain't too many people that can say that they did that. Yeah, people were laughing at me. I'm sorry. Those two dudes, man, changed the face of music, man.

And it ain't too many people that can say that they did that. And for me, like, to be from where we from is truly something in the water. Like, it's not just something to say. It's a special thing. And unique. They created their own unique sounds. Yeah. Right.

Like, I feel like Pharrell was the closest thing. Him and Chad were the closest thing we ever had to having a sound You understand what you could name that the first time you met for ground. What was the name of his group Magnum? He didn't know it was just him. He was a rapper. His name is Magnum the verb Lord Hawaiian shirt red in NXS, and he telling the DJ, yo, play my record. And they like, yeah, yeah. Like play my Magnum the Verbal Lord record.

No, no, he's saying play, yo, he's talking about your record. Super Thug got that, that's a great story. He like, yo, so Super Thug is fucking tearing the clubs down. He's telling the DJ like, yo, that's my record. And the DJ like, yeah, yeah, nah. Great Magnum. That's my record too, I fuck with it. He like, no, no, no. That's my record.

He's like, Greg Magnum, the Verbal Eye. And then the video comes out, and niggas is like, yo, that's his record. Right. Right in excess fucking. And I'm like, yo, the nigga really doing it. Right. I ain't gonna lie. I know it sounds so cliche to say it right now, but from the moment I met that motherfucker, I knew he was from Earth.

Facts. Like, he just was. He was an alien. He was different, bro. He was different. I know it's so easy to say that now, like, but I wish I was lying, but I'm just not.

I just, I looked at him. I wish we had some purple rain for this right now. Purple rain, purple rain. Oh shit, David Groffman, man. Damn, god damn it. Nah, man, that's my man, man. That's my brother. I know a lot of cops,

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Yeah, man. And it feels like in Virginia, y'all all have to be tied to each other. Is there an artist that you're not tied to in Virginia? No. There can't be, right? No. What's this new artist that got, I think he signed to Pusha T? Oh, Kari. I think his name's Kari. Okay. He signed on

Pusha T's label. Yeah, out of Petersburg. Young boy. That's Virginia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, he's from where Trey Songz from. You gotta think, Virginia is D'Angelo. Oh, you got Trey Songz. D'Angelo, me, Trey Songz, Chris Brown, Pharrell. Chris Brown? Chris Brown is from Tappahannock, Virginia.

Fucking Clips, Pusha, Malice, Missy, Magoo. What was the crew you were in, too? Super Friends. Lonnie B? Lonnie B, Danger Mouth. I'm the DJ. He was a dope rapper were in too? Super Friends. Lonnie B. It was the old Lonnie B. Danger Mouth. I'm the DJ. But he also, he was a dope rapper back in the day.

Yeah, he battled Jojo Pellegrino on a boat. Did him dirty. Oh, the white boy. Yeah, did him dirty. My crew was there, man. Nah, man. So yeah, nah.

Virginia is a special place, bro. Something really in the water. Listen, it's not just something we say. And it's not just Molly. It's not just Molly. say it's not just mom Niggas just sitting there like, clap, niggas ain't know what you're clapping at. I be clapping for Bob right now, you know what I'm saying? Yeah man, goddamn, a holy moly. You got a bookie for her? Yeah, I got notes man, you know what I mean? What's up? Let's get into it.

You know the EZLP producer? What album? The first album. Yeah. The whole first album? No, not the first album. I met EZLP because he did a song for the Artifacts. Artifacts?

Artifacts, he did Dynamite Soul remix. Artifacts was the first niggas ever let he did a song for the artifacts and that was I didn't know that I defated dynamite So remix all the first niggas ever let me on a song Yeah, all the facts out tame. What else is it? That was a great actually I do remember that dynamite soul first album from where's 1996 Yes, I came out on the same day as the Fugees and fucking all eyes on me. Worst day ever in South. I don't think you survived at all. I'm sorry. I don't know where this album is. Nigga was a great album. Nigga's from Virginia. Nigga's from Virginia bought the album,

but I didn't hit 10 million. It didn't happen for me. You didn't get gold? No, I got gold. Oh, that's beautiful. But nigga, all back then was platinum. You was a lead with that. We go.

Lead with that. The score and All Eyes on Me. I mean, that's a little different. I don't know what else going to do that. All Eyes on Me, is that, that's a little different. I'm not gonna do that. All Eyes On Me, is that the album after he came out? Double, yes. Double album. It's killing me.

Fugees gone. Your record label did not kick a good day. Let's just throw that out there. What label was that? Big Beat Atlantic. St. Jude United. Okay, wow. You had Large Professor produce on there?

Large Professor. Jay Period. Jay Period. Clark Kent. Beat Nuts did not be like oh less And I was the first person ever did a song with Jake Jay Dylan that got I did see Dylan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Cuz that was tips of God and that's early did I understand I'm with Q tip I'm making the album and I'm like nigga you on my album. He like, yeah, nah, son, I got this nigga. You got to hear this.

I said, nah, nigga, you on the album. He comes to Battery Studios. Battery Studios, 25th Street. 25th Street with a little small dude with a fucking Detroit hat on, and he's talking about him the same way he talked about me to Pasta Noose and Mase. And he's talking to you now about him. And he's talking to me.

He's going, yo, son, this nigga ill, son. Where and Mase. And he's talking to you now about him. And he's talking to me. He's going, yo, son, this nigga ill, son. Where's Bon? Yo, he's so ill, son. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need the Q-tip beat, though.

He like, nah, nah, I got you. But listen to this nigga. He hits the beat. I still got the tape. He hit the cassette, put the cassette in, plays the cassette.

As soon as I hit the cassette, ba-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. It's running. I'm like, yeah as I hit the cassette, it's running. I'm like, yeah, play the next one, my dumb ass. I'm like, play the next one. Next beat is the far side, gotta kick something to me something. I passed on running.

Running. Gotta kick something to me something. Drop by the far side. Drop. Passed on that. And then he gets to the song that I take and I never forget I paid him three bands

a song we did three songs I can't find the third one if I find it God please let me find that third song and I paid I paid nine G's

and I remember we was in the studio in Battery mixing and he was like he said yo I never I never forget this

and I don't care if I get as big as Dr. Dre, you'll always be able to get me for three bands a song. I don't care how big I get. And we never got a chance to do another song. Because he passed away. Because he passed away.

And at the moment you thought you were missing out on a Q-tip beat. But Q-tip hopped on a song with Large Professor. Right, yeah, yeah, that's the song. Wow. A song with Large Professor called Extra Abstract Skills. Hey, I'm afraid you and Large Professor look like cousins right now.

That's my man. I spend more money on Large Professor songs. When you look at the budget, because I was on an R&B label and I had to change the faces budget. My budget was like $350 or some shit. When you look at how much you spend on Large Professor at Unique Studios,

fucking insane. Large professor will come you need to get him on a podcast too large professor will come and just listen to records in the studio take them all the studios i'm like my nigga like we this is 12 hour block we on hour eight and he like putting the record and i'm sitting there looking at my a and our reef like Yo, I spent so much money well when large professors just listening to songs but the knowledge that I got Primo Primo Larson festival. Yeah, you're lost. Let me just based on what he said this primo had me waiting a long time You know that no. And Clark Kent was on the album because he did the demo. So, of course, I got to bring my OG and make sure he get taken care of because he helped me.

Even though I was talking shit about Hov at his house. Right. He was on the album. Yeah, the album was on. The album, when it came out, even on the same day that the Fugees and fucking Tupac came out, in Virginia, it was a big thing because nigg and fucking Tupac came out. It was, in Virginia, it was a big thing

because niggas never saw. It's a classic. It's a classic. First album was from where? Right. That's when you, All Eyes On Me and Fugees.

But went gold, but it went gold. The second album is called I Ain't Mad No More. Right. That's when I changed it from Mad Skills to Skills. And that's the one,

not on Ruckus. Is that on Ruckus? Is that on Ruckus? That was, Ruckus fucked that whole shit up. I think I ended up putting that shit on my own. Only the singles came out on Ruckus. Only the singles came out. I remember the vinyl. Ruckus folded, because they did a 50% stake with MCA, and the whole shit.

I think that was when Kweli came out. Child, Jared. Child, Brian, and Jared. But they was trying to get fucking Coogee rap to do songs with Nelly and shit Like they was they was wild They started out with the right Because I believe Rockers was probably the last label with Susan they got the record. He's like, oh no, I'm fucking with this

So as I sort of the razor the all I'm gonna get us a shot cuz it's rockers Okay, they were thinking out the box and some some of the things worked and some of the things didn't. No, they was killing it for a minute. So what happened? What killed Ruckus? I mean, he's a- MCA. MCA got in for half and the shit went left after.

Like I said, they was trying to get Coogee Rapp to do songs with Nelly. Not knowing what they had. You got Mos, you got Kweli, you got Pharoah March. And these niggas was doing numbers with no radio play. I remember when Simon Says got on Hot 97. Simon Says, get the fuck up. Nigga, it was done. Yeah, but then that lawsuit.

And then the lawsuit did them, but they had a crazy record. I could see that lawsuit coming, bro. I could see that lawsuit coming. That was crazy. But Rawkus was fucking crazy. I remember a crazy story about Rawkus real quick. I'm at Conway Studios in L.A. Not Conway, the machine.

No, not Conway, the machine. Conway Studios. I'm with my girl at the time, Esther Dean, who's like a super big pop writer. I love how you know everybody's name. You don't forget nobody's name. He describes it so great. So I'm with Esther, and she goes to a session with Dr. Luke, right? At this time, this is-

That's the pop producer, right? Fucking Katy Perry, like fucking killing the shit, right? So she's in there cutting her vocals. I'm sitting out on the little patio. Dr. Luke comes out, and he got a guitar. So we just sitting there. He like, oh, man, you know, how long you and her been dating? I'm like, oh, you know, X amount of time.

And I was like, yo, you look wild familiar. He was you and her been dating? I'm like, oh, you know, X amount of time. And I was like, yo, you look wild familiar. He was like, where you from? I said, I'm from Virginia. I said, where you from? He was like, I'm from New York. I was like, I said, yo, you ever been to Raucous Records? And this motherfucker's playing guitar. And then he stopped.

He said, oh, Raucous. I was like, yeah. He said, yeah, no, I used to be at Raucous. He was like, I used to sell Brian and Jared their weed and I'm like what Dr. Luke Katie Perry

Katie Perry so I'm like yo I saw you at Ruckus he was like no I used to do like what you call it dubstep remixes he's like i do dub euro remixes and they realize that every time that they would uh i would do a remix in the uk the shit would get bdx they spins would go up he was like so i started doing remixes one and give

me that's on acapella and then one day i think this is what he says that one day like uh one of the rappers left are you talking to his voice right now yes that's how he, one of the rappers left some weed. Are you talking to his voice right now? Yes, that's how he talks. He goes, one of the rappers left some weed at my studio, and I just fucking started selling them the weed. And I'm sitting there going, Dr. Luke, who's fucking killing the game, pop game killing it, used to sell weed to fucking Brian and Jared at Raucous. And then the nigga looks at me. He's looking in the air. He's playing guitar. He's like, Raucous Records.

He's like, you think that name would mean something now? I was like, what you mean? He's like, you know what the emergence is of the J. Coles and the Kendricks? I wonder if I just bought the name Raucous. And I'm sitting there going You should have said, let's be partners. I was like, this is

crazy. Like, super ill. Like, bro, as far You should have said Let's be partners I was like This is crazy Like Super ill Like bro As far as songwriters He's He's right behind Max Martin Which is probably

The top Top tier I'll let you know How much I know I don't know who Max Martin is You don't know who Max Martin is?

I don't know who Neil is Look it up Look it up Dr. Luke Max Martin Explain to me Come on please

I don't want to look it up Max Martin Started out in 94. Okay. Right, maybe 92. That's the year he was born. Right. Okay.

But he's had a hit on the charts. Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande. Dr. Lucas is his protege. He took him under. He's fucking Kesha, Katy Perry. Nigga had a pop run That was Like

Songwriter of the year A gazillion times over You know what I'm saying Like I pay attention to All Types of songwriters You know what I'm saying So just as far as

Writing songs Like So When I got When I did the Nicki shit I did the Nicki song

Nicki Minaj Yeah So I did the Nicki song, I did the Nicki song. Nicki Minaj? Yeah. So I did the Nicki song. You can't just say Nicki. Yeah, really. Pop. Pop record. Maybe you can talk about Nicki D.

I don't know. First of all, I ain't write Nicki raps. She write all her raps. Little hook for Nicki called A Night Is Still Young. Pop record. Pop record comes out. And I'm at home looking at, this was when I think Taylor Swift and Nicki got into a little Twitter beef or whatever. Remember that shit?

It wasn't Taylor Swift, it was the other chick. No, it was Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift jumped in, then they made up and then they come out at the MTV Awards and I'm watching Taylor Swift on stage at the MTV Awards sing my words and I'm like, nah niggas like us can get there. You know what I'm saying? Pop music is pop music, but it's still all music. There's only two kinds of music. There's good music and bad music.

You'll get up when you see Taylor Swift. Would it happen for you if you see Taylor Swift singing what you wrote? I mean, once did somebody sing my shit? Niggas ain't singing my shit. Come on. Niggas, it's you Nah, man, like, to watch that happen as a songwriter you know what I'm saying, like, I

write all kinds of songs, bro, like I just do what I do, fucking Black Men Don't Cheat you know what I'm saying, for Duvall and Charlamagne I wrote that, you know what I'm saying I could see that, I could see that I was pissed when I wrote that song Why you was pissed

What happened Oh I don't know if y'all remember Let's get another shot Let's get another shot You remember the video I don't know if you remember It was on Worldstar

Shit was viral It was this girl at McDonald's Black girl Drunk white dude Comes into McDonald's Starts talking crazy to her And he says something to her And the black girl

Just start beating his ass At McDonald's Across the county Remember that shit And he says something to her And the black girl Just start beating his ass At McDonald's Across the county Remember that shit And then there's two dudes In the back Like two black dudes Young dudes

Just looking like Yo like damn Keisha beating the fuck Out of this nigga And it was just An onslaught of like Black women Like see this is

This is why we don't Fuck with y'all Y'all don't protect us Why the fuck is this girl At McDonald's Fighting this man And y'all niggas watching Y'all don't protect us. Why the fuck is this girl at McDonald's fighting this man and y'all niggas watching, y'all not helping? And I'm sitting there going,

yo, she was whipping this nigga ass. At no point did she need him. And you know how you be at work and you got to, everybody got that person at work, they're like, yo, don't fuck with Kim. Kim will beat your motherfucking ass. Don't fuck with Kim. So they watching her beat his ass and black women just went crazy online.

It was all on the blogs and shit. And I'm just sitting there watching and she's like, why it's always our fault? Like, damn, what we do? So in that moment, I was like, yo, I want to piss off

every black woman in America. And I wrote Black Men Don't Cheat that day. And I was about to do the video and I'm sending the video to Atheon, Nick Cannon, and I just want niggas to sing the hook, Black Men Don't Cheat, because I'm like, when black women see this shit, they're going to be mad as fuck.

So I sent this shit to Charlamagne. Charlamagne calls me like, yo, you know who need this record? I said, who? He said Lil Duval. This was right after Living My Best Life. He said, yo, you should sell this shit to Lil Duvall. I believe this record, so hold on. You telling me I'm

like, cause I don't... You thought it was real. I don't cheat. I'm a black man. Black boys cheat. Right. Right. Now here's the thing. Duvall was being funny. Charlamagne was like, nah, nigga, this about to be

the new wave. I want this shit to be, I want this shit to be a nigga who don't cheat on his girl will be able to fucking work out to this shit

and say, nah, nigga, I want this shit to be a movement. So I'm like, y'all go ahead. Gave him the record, you know what I'm saying?

And I figured it worked because it was like it was one nigga that was controversial and then one nigga that was controversial and then one nigga that was funny. Some niggas are going to take it as a joke, but Charlamagne took it super serious.

So I was two days away from putting out Black Men Don't Cheat as Mad Skills and Charlamagne was like, yo, you should stick this shit to Duval. Wow. Good move. Good move. Take a shot for that, my friend. Take a shot for that. Take a shot for that.

Take a shot for that. Charlamagne ain't on that whole thing. That's how you know Mad Skills is a real drinker. He's taking a shot. What a shot for that, my friend. Take a shot. I'm taking a pee-pee, man. Charlamagne, A&R, that whole thing. That's how you know Madskills is a real drinker. He's taking a shot. What a shot. What a regular drink. And I'm taking a pee-pee. Mm. And did I ask you this already?

I'm not sure if I did. But what is your favorite part of the game? Music. Just, just. Now, but music, that's still a two part answer because is it making the music or performing the music

I don't really like I like DJing now I'm a DJ I've been DJing for five years and the passion that I lost

for rapping I gained in DJing so for me it's all it's just music is the hub of all this shit.

I started out making music. Then I ended up writing music for other people. Now I'm playing music. You know what I'm saying? Instruments? No, no, no. Just DJing.

Oh, DJing. I DJ heavy. I thought you got acoustic on us and be a little band. I DJ heavy, man. acoustic on us and be Man, I love I love DJing and the the respect that I have for that craft Cuz cuz when I'm from it's like like being from Virginia We always felt like we had to we was underdogs so when I started DJing I was like I don't want to be a rapper

Niggas like oh, yeah, he's just up there fucking around like that's mad skills You know say if you fuck up like any real. That's mad skills. You know what I'm saying? If he fuck up, let the nigga live. I wanted to be the best. I wanted to be good. So when niggas

think about rappers that used to DJ, I want them to think about me. D-Nice. Biz Markie. You know what I'm saying? Pray yourself a biz.

You know what I'm saying? Keep pushing through. You know what I'm saying? I wanted to be one of those rappers that people take serious as a DJ. So I got in the room and started fucking practicing hard body. On your own? On my own.

Mixing? Mixing. Because what you got to understand is that when I get a gig, like I did a gig last night. So it's like when I get a gig, I'm going to get niggas that just booked me on the name. Right. It's like, oh, that's the homie. Let's get him a bag real quick. He don't let's bring him through but I want to kill it I want to tear down on some Kid Capri shit on some motherfucking SNS. You know I'm saying I want every party DJ

Kid Capri hands down Kid Capri I would say Kid Capri is definitely my first party DJ. Top tier. Right now, a party I love to go to is DJ Camillo. Yes. I can't lie. Yeah, nah, Camillo's a problem.

He brings the international. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There'd be Koreans in there. I'd be like, how you get Koreans in there? I'd be like, he puts himself to international and he actually lives up to that. Yeah, nah.

Because I feel like as a DJ, I don't know nobody that likes just one type of music. Like, if I ask you the name of your favorite songs, you might name me some reggae shit, some Latin shit, some reggaeton shit,

some hip-hop shit. You know what I'm saying? Nobody likes just one genre of music. So I don't think you should ever just play one genre of music. You know what I'm saying Nobody likes just one genre of music So I don't think you should ever just play One genre of music You know what I'm saying I'm the type of person like If I'm DJing for black people

I know what Before I Let Go Does to black people Right Before I Let Go Right I know what that means to black people But how about What's that shit Bob Sinclair Right, I know what that means to black people. So... But how about... Oh.

What's that shit? Bob Sinclair. What's that, how did that song go? That was so good. Hold on. Right. Well, pick what song it about. Right.

Like, I want to know... World. Hold on. Right. I want to take ecstasy immediately. As soon as you hear that, world. Hold on. You know, as a DJ, as a DJ, I want to know for every, for every, for every, for every you see immediately. As soon as you hear that, what? Hold up.

You know, as a DJ, as a DJ, I want to know for every person that could be at a party, what is the music for them? Do you get people coming up to you for requests? Yeah, but I don't usually take them. I'm like, let me work.

Yeah, DJs don't want to get requests. Do you get people come up to you to tell you to play your shit? Yeah, of course. But the one thing is, I never want people to come to a party and be like, oh, he's just going to play some 90s hip-hop. I'm going to get some Nas, some fucking Black New York.

So you're playing a little Uzi Vert. I play all that shit. Get out of here. I play everything. $42. Because a real DJ, it ain't about me. It's about y'all. You know what I'm saying?

What's your set for the new homies? Oh, man, listen. I'm playing 21 Savage. I'm playing Indiana Jones. 21 Savage is damn near a legend. Yeah, yeah. I'm playing 21 Savage. I'm playing... 21 Savage is damn near a legend. Yeah, yeah. I'm playing Bird. I need to hear...

That's how you know how fast shit is going. I need to hear Far and Fabio. You got Far and Fabio? If I'm in New York, which I ain't been yet. Damn, you been taking some New York shots lately, man.

You gotta listen, man. I said I play... Leave the whole thing alone, man. No, I'm saying if I'm in New York... The whole scene is just about the Bird, all right? I love y'all, man. You can still come to East New York too, man. Let's leave it alone, man. No, I'm saying if I'm in New York, man. It's just Uncle Bernard, all right? I love y'all, man.

You can still come to East New York, too, man. Let's leave it at all, man. Listen, listen. Hey, listen. I pull up. I love y'all, man. Like, listen, what y'all have done for the culture can never be erased.

But who's the newest guy you got in your set? I need to know this. In my set? Yeah, like the newest. Name a couple. I'll probably play, like I said, Savage. You're going to hear Thug. How about CJ?

Whoop-D? You're not playing Whoop-D? You definitely got a problem with New York. I'm playing Roddy Rebel. Roddy Rebel, OK. And Pop. OK, and Pop. You know what I'm saying?

OK. When I'm playing that. You got two drinks? Oh, shit. I was ready for two. Yeah, I'm in. I'm not doing two, but. I'll fill it up a little more.

But you gotta play a little CJ. Come on, Wolfie. I don't even know what that mean. Listen, it ain't for us. It's not for us. It's by us, but it's not for us. It's not for us. Backwards, boo-foo.

And we sent your favorite, Errol. We sent your favorite part of the game. Part of the game was just music. Yeah, Salud. Salud. So nobody said Salia Gros? Salia La Cruz. All right, got to it.

It's all right. That was not enough of me, I'm going to be honest. I'm going right back in. I mean, you got big ass ice cubes in there, brother. Yeah, that's what happened, man. Ice cubes. Ice cubes took over a pause. We'll join you for a second.

Come on, join me. God damn it. We got motherfucking bad skills in the building. Mason, man. It's Scram Jones. You want to come in here? You want to come in, Scram Jones? Scram, oh shit.

What's up, brother? Come on, Scram Jones. Scram Jones out here. And I will say, like, big shout out to to you because anytime somebody that was here That was here from VA the first thing you will always say was not the first thing I ever heard of I was playing your records out here. I was on the mixtapes everything. Yeah, I got dropped from you. How can I be down? And I mean when you said it to me like you was like now you need to drop some me the whole shit I can't now Give scram a goddamn seat.

So I look, yeah! And you're going to take four shots to catch up. You could take the mask off right now. It's looking a little crazy, right? Nah, I appreciate that. Yeah, nah, but is it like, is that a certain amount of pressure? Or is it like, all right, let me symbolize this question.

J Prince. Yeah, J Prince on here. So to a certain extent, everybody from Houston, Texas, feels like they have to have a J. Prince stamp, a J. Prince. Is it like that in Virginia? Not for me. Okay. Like, I don't, you know, I'm not the person where they feel like they have to get through me. I want everybody to win. Because, like I said, we come from a place where nobody ever got off.

You know what I'm saying? So, I would love to see a young, you know, like the kid pusher guy, Carl. You know know i'm saying so um i would love to see a young you know like like like the kid pusher guy carl you know i'm saying like i would love to see new artists coming up from the city you know i'm saying like from the state because i like i said i realized that it ain't about me no more like i opened the door so you could get the pharrell's the missus the clips you know i'm saying the magoos i that door, so it's only right that the door stay open, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to just be here. I ain't opening the door

to fucking close the motherfucker. You know what I mean? I want this shit. I want everybody to win. Because you got to understand, we birthed probably two of the biggest producers in the fucking game, period. Not just in Virginia hip-hop. Like, nigga, hands down, these niggas changed the game.

It's very important. It's huge. It's pop records. I said beat maker. Big difference. Them niggas is producers. They are song craftsmanship. They know exactly what they doing.

I seen it at a early level. I remember being in the studio in Master Sound when niggas was working on Busta What It Is right now in one room and was working on grind me in the next room The memory is Like now I'm like You know say gee wagons and shit in the lot like. This is a fact, yo. You know what I'm saying?

They was working. They was working. So it wasn't, this shit didn't come to Pharrell and Chad and Tim easy, man. They was working. We was all working. All right. Goddamn.

Make some noise for that, goddamn. Here's Scram. Yo, Scram. This is the boobie. Scram Gizl. That was good. Man, Skiddy's trying to get away with that. You ain't take your shot, brother.

Oh, let's go. Let's go. We waiting for Scram Jones. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mad skills, try to get away with that. You ain't taking your shot, brother. Let's go, let's go. Salud, salute. Motherfucking mad skills, man. Make some motherfucking noise. Scram, jizzle. I ain't a drinker either. I'm fucked up, man. Nah, we not drinkers either.

We just do it for the camera. That's it. The camera is all for me. So, who's your favorite producer? If you have one track. Listen, this is one track. This is one track. God comes to you and says, listen, you're going to live forever. But you got to make me one rapper

why you're going to make me one rapper one producer for the rest of your life you live internally but it's one producer you got to lock in with

is it a producer you never worked with or is it a producer you're comfortable with? And who is that producer? Damn, that's a great question. Can't lie, I express myself. That's Pharrell. That's Pharrell Williams all day. Did you explain why? I've never seen nobody

make music the way that he does with the passion that he does. I agree. You know what I'm saying? And to be, you know, to be an inspiration

to all of us, you know what I'm saying? Like that nigga is, he seriously loves music. You know what I'm saying? And that's the way I can relate to him because it's like,

I love rapping, I love DJing, I love writing songs for motherfuckers, I love fucking helping niggas put the snare, whatever.

But it also, it all revolves around music. Right. So, to be around somebody that loves music just as much, that's the whole point

of the game. You know what I'm saying? I want to take time to big up my engineer Hazardous Sounds. Because every time He loves music just as much. That's the whole point of the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, it will be him. I want to take time out to big up my engineer, Hazardous Sounds, because every time Hazardous Sounds, I do a record with him, he'll give me two or three different versions of a record. I love it, and I tell him it reminds me

of what Pharrell used to do. Yeah. Every record I ever have with Pharrell, besides Superthug, was the third version of that actual record Like he'll try a whole new beat on his own and be like and I'm like yo It's like you remixed it before I hate that shit. He be like alright cool. Boom and he'll just keep Bro you keep shooting shots. Yeah, so it's like it's like you don't go to the gym just to shoot one free throw my nigga You're gonna keep shooting shots. You know what so at that point some more fall right and hopefully

You'll shoot so many that when it's game time you'll make that motherfucker who makes a motion that burger But yours is different cuz your money gonna slow up because once you don't name a rapper that they'd love you You got one record to produce because once you don't name a rapper that they love you, it's going to be different. You got one record to produce for a lifetime. God says you're going to live for eternity. Got one... One artist? One artist to work with to make an eternal song. Is it Bob Sinclair?

I'm going to be mad. Nah, nah. Because that might be Bob Sinclair. Hold up. Hold up. That might be Bob Sinclair. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm being honest. Is he alive, Bob Sinclair? Yeah, yeah, yeah Nas I would do with Nas. Now have you worked with Nas in the studio before?

No. So you might not live forever. I did a beat for him but I never been in the studio with him. So what if he rhymed on one of your beats? On the Jada album he did. He's on that joint. So God comes to you and says, you live eternal, or you can go to Shay Todd.

Maybe Jay-Z. But you just switched up. You just switched up. You just left with one of my beats. Yeah, yeah. Studio A, studio B. You know which one. You know I'm going to go with one of them two.

All right, all right. So the one, no, but we need to pick one. I said Nas first. That's who I was rolling with growing up, the more than J. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So that's like some gold bucket list as a producer. All right, T.J.E.F.

Throw it on, yeah. Where the fuck you get those teeth from? I don't know. You feel, you want to do a DJ get those teeth from? I don't know. You go get the booze. TGI. You want to do a DJ Khaled, DJ Clue album? Right. You got one producer and one artist to pick.

And God says if you make it work, you live eternally. If you don't make it work, you're going to twerk with the Shaitan. Well, I already had a chance to work with Premier on my last album. You're picking with Premier as the beat maker? Premier is. Are you picking with Premier as the beat maker? Again? I will go again with Premier.

I like where you're going so far. And I'll go with Cube, man, because Cube was my favorite artist growing up, up to West Side Connection. He in my top five. Is that a diss for me, an Ice Cube record? I don't think I've ever heard it, so I've had them together. He definitely in my top five. Yeah.

But I want, I want, I want. Primo did the death certificate cube. That's the cube I want on that. That was P-Rock. That was P-Rock? P-Rock did that. He did Bitchin' You? P-Rock did the Bitchin' You.

So which was the Primo joint? For Karma. Uh, Primo did the joint where they fucking sampled me, the game. I never come laying tight killing in the game primo did that The scratches I'm both don't be honest with you, I think you need to come out with your own the Taurus He's a professor. It's a dinosaur. Because you know everything. I'm sitting back like, you're like Google. He's a professor, for God's sake. He meets with deans and they berate him about his freestyles.

They berate me about his freestyles. I love how you know everything. They be like, why are you on Worldstar? And you sit there. Why are you on Worldstar? Why are you beefing with a rapper on Worldstar? No, I want to answer the question. The school plan.

You asked the question? No, I asked him if he'd been in the studio when Missy was making the beat. No, no, no. Missy don't have nobody in the studio when she record her vocals. Yeah, I've seen the interview. I know she produced too, but I wonder.

Missy do, you know, she maybe not sitting down playing, but as far as I've never seen, but she'll definitely sit down and tell you. Yeah, direct it. I don't want her to go. Is that safe to call her Puffy? We call her the Ditty Ducey. That's Ditty Ducey.

You tell them how you want to hear it. A director. We drink a Ciroc out here. We love it. We call that Ditty Ducey. Yeah, no, no, no. That's a form of producing. That's knowing what it is.

Isn't Quincy Jones mainly kind of like that? Yeah, yeah, man. But he can sit down and play, too. Right, right. We call that Diddy Dooshin, when you could just say, I wanted to go, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Dre is the same way. Yeah. Like, Dre is the same way.

Not saying he can't play, but the times that I've been around Dre was definitely like. You wrote for Dr. Dre? I wrote some shit. It never came out. It was Detox. But that was probably one of the illest times because i seen i it's like being around dre if you ever in a session with dre it'll be the most important session in your life you know saying like and i came out there and i'm bugging because

we with the hollywood with the holly Hollywood Hills And the fucking Laker game is on And it's me, Dre, and the man that brought me there And maybe like two other people And I go in And I'm writing I'm writing a song And he's talking to his man He's like, yo, it's like boring

You think we should bring some people around? He's like, I mean, if you want, Dre He's like, yeah, I think we should get some people It's kind of boring, the game more Fuck, I mean, I mean, if you want, Dre, he's like, yeah, I think we should get some people. It's kind of boring, game on. Fuck, I go back in the room because I don't want niggas

to think I'm there just to fucking party and bullshit. I'm coming from the right. So I go back in the room and right, and I come out and I tell him,

I say, yo, I got it done. He said, all right, come in. So he comes in, he listened to it.

He said, yo, I want you to change line eight, line 14, and line three. And I'm like, okay, boom in. So he comes in. He listened to it. He said, yo, I want you to change line eight, line 14, and line three. And I'm like, okay, boom. And he's like, yeah, make it like you on the one. Like make it go ah, ah, ah, ta, ta, ta, ta. Like say something like ta, ta, ta, ta. And I'm like, okay, cool.

So I say it. And then I fucking, I'm working on these three lines that he want me to change. And then I come back out to tell him that I redid it. And it's a whole fucking part and I'm like Goddamn, Dr. Dre just blink his fucking eyes and people show up It's crazy I mean I would have showed up

Yeah, yeah and it's Grammy weekend so it's fucking popular I think I see Grammy weekend, I was in that group we down to So it's Grammy weekend So Buzz and me say I go down so it's Grammy weekend and I do the joint and we finish, everybody leaves and I'm talking to him and I'm like, yo man, you like the record? He was like, yeah, nah, I'm going to fuck with it. I might cut the reference and shit. He said, it's dope. And I was like, yo man, I love the house, man. This shit is amazing, man. Oh, you're trying to floss. You're using the house. But I'm in the house, right?

So I was like, let's just throw that out there. Like I'm in the house No, I'm in the house and I'm like yo man, this is beautiful man like this That's amazing this home you built here. You know I'm saying like and he said, um, I never forget this shit the niggas said, uh Yeah, I'm not mr. Krip. This is like the party crib He said no, I don't like stay here like I don't like lay my head here I said, what you mean? He said, yo, he said, no, I don't like stay here. Like, I don't like lay my head here. I said, what you mean? He said, no, no, this is like the crib, crib. Yeah, it's a billion-dollar shit.

This is like the crib. You got to come out. He said, Skills, you got to come out in the summer. I'll be having some crack and barbecue with the homies. I said, yo, you don't live here? He said, like, with my wife and family? I said, yeah. He said, oh, nah, nigga, I don't live here. I'm like,

yo! This is crazy! Craziest shit ever. It was the Grammys. I can't remember what year it was, but fuck it. I was like, this nigga don't even live in his house? Like, this is fucking insane. This is his house, he don't even live here? It was a chill crib. That's

someone that we need on Drink Champs. Got you. And shout out to Smitty, who's trying to make it happen. That's someone that we need on Drink Champs. Got you. And shout out to Smitty who's trying to make it happen. He's in that camp. He's a writer. Big up, Smitty. I don't want to throw him under the bus, but let's make it happen. Got you. I leave the crib, and I'm with the homie, and we driving, and I'm fucking kind of like,

the homie's kind of faded, so he like, yo, can you drive? I'm like, all right, bet. I'm driving. I make the right. I come out, and these men in black niggas come out of nowhere with the fucking head pieces the black glasses and I'm like yo what the fuck is going on and do like yo where you going I see I'm trying to get back down the sunset you like yeah nah nah back up do a

three-point turn go back that way I'm like I like I thought he's about to pull out on me so I'm the homie, he fucked up. He in the passenger seat. I turned the car around, went to the car, started going down the hill. I said, yo, what the fuck was that, bro? He said, yo, my bag, yo, that's Leonardo DiCaprio. You can't go up his street.

I said, bro, what the fuck is this? Like, shit was crazy, man. Being around a friend was crazy. I'm going to have to take a shot for that, man. I'm going to have to go out. I'm gonna have to give a shout out to that man. I'm not gonna lie. You have to answer this now. What?

You're a producer but that's the thing I already knew you were gonna say that. So now you're gonna say feature on the track. Last feature in your life. Mmm. Yeah OJ. Come on man, stop it. I wanna write OJ Come on. Stop it. I want to write OJ's one. Stop it.

How about stopping? It has to be an artist, man, not OJ. But he could be a live or dead. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Nah, live. He's E. Really? You like Eazy-E like that?

I really love Eazy-E. I just love his persona. I just love his... Like, when I just love his persona. I just love his... When I went back and I really studied... His life is crazy. I just love Eazy-E. Was he your top five? I think Eazy-E might be my top one.

That's good. That's the reason why I asked you that question earlier. It's like, why do I respect him so much? When it comes down to writing. There's other people like, like again. I just think there's different categories that we should be kind of like talking about. I can't put a nigga in front of the

nigga who he influenced. Or the nigga he was influenced by. I can't put Hov in front of Kane. Mmm. Cause Hov was directly influenced by Kane. Right, right. And I agree with you to a certain extent.

Because, you know, the reason why I agree with you to a certain extent is because one thing about these young dudes, they're not going to respect respect. They're going to respect

what they see is in front of them. Like, the thing about it is, like, you know the old dude on the block that got the most knowledge? But he's a drunk. is in front of them. Like, the thing about it is, like, you know the old dude on the block that got the most knowledge, but he's a drunk. Right.

He's actually hitting you with the most knowledge in the world, but you ain't listening. But you ain't listening, because the nigga is pissing on himself when he's telling you. But not every old guy on the block is a drunk. That's true. That's not a good analogy.

That's true. It's not fair to compare it to that. I was giving an example. I know, but the young guy that only sees what's in front of him, we have to teach them what's beyond in front of them because that's what's most important. I agree. And that's what our role is.

Like, I can't put niggas in front of Kane because I know who Kane influenced. Kane influenced Jay. He influenced Big. Like, if there was no Big Daddy Kane, there couldn't be no Brody Kane. There's lineage. Lineage, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So I can never push him from the front. I don't disrespect a young nigga that doesn't, that says, I'm fucking with just Jake. And that's it.

I don't, because I see what he sees too. It's just like, you know what? I love Muhammad Ali. I really do. Gotcha. But I've never seen

a live Muhammad Ali fight. Right. I've actually seen all of Floyd Mayweather's fights. Right. So in my book, I think Floyd Mayweather's the best boxer of all time. Who do you think the best rapper of all time?

Who are your top fives? Brand Eddie Aiyu. You just said Eazy-E. So Brand Eddie Aiyu. I said top five. He said Eazy-E. Brand Eddie Aiyu. Eazy-E.

Biz Farky. Yeah, I love that list. And Kane. Kane wrote for Biz. It's a persona, though. Kane is my six. Pick a boogie. Who's five?

That's for today. It's for today. For three, Chase. Eazy-E, Granddaddy IU. I like what you said. Biz Markie. Grand Pooper. Hard. That's hard. This marquee Grandpa I think of the randoms

KRS-One Give you that fifth one, right? I'll give you one more. And I'll never do this. Give you that fifth one, right? I don't got to go quaint for you. Fuck you, y'all. Y'all got the best rappers. I ain't doing girl shit. Y'all got the best rappers. I'm doing real shit growing up. I said right there that you.

I said Coogee Rap? Nope, you said Coogee Rap. No, you ain't said Coogee Rap. You got to say Coogee Rap. I said Coogee Rap. Top dead. You say top five? For today. Top dead. Top dead. For today.

Tomorrow might be something different. But today I'm feeling very lyrical and skilled in front of you. And that's my fucking five. What's your five, man? Five? Number five is I'm fucked up now at this point. Give another shot. Nah, nah. Chill, chill, chill.

We got another shot. It's too late. I'm fucked up with you. I'm gonna fuck with you. I got two sets. Five. I'm gonna let him go. Ay-ga-yay. Five. No vertical order, unless you want to have no order. Nah, nah, don't do that order. Don't do that order. Number five is ice cube. I'm in it. I'm there with you.

It's going to be, you're going to be mad. You're going to be mad. Number four, Black Thought. Mmm, why you be mad? He don't be mad. Coming soon? Pause. Number three,

Hove. Not mad yet. I seen the nigga write lobster and shrimp right in front of me. That was hard. That was hard. Number two, Big Daddy King. Mmm. Wouldn't be no mad skills without Big Daddy King. I respect that. Number

three, I mean number, I'm fucked up. I'm fucked up. Yeah, you went for number three. Number three, I mean number, I'm fucked up. I'm fucked up. Number one, greatest all time, go to me. Hold up, hold up. Everybody hit your dick. Goal of all time, greatest rapper of all time. You better be careful. Rock him, nigga.

Nobody can be mad at you. Yeah, nobody can be mad at you. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Give me five niggas, five rappers, that'll never be in your top five. Jesus, that's a... No, no, no, let's do it.

Let's do it. And this guy is actually in my top five. He's in your top five? No, no, no. Five rappers that'll never be in your top five? He's in my top five, and he will never be in my top five. He's in your top five? Five rappers that have never been in your top five. And he will never be in my top five. I'm fucked up now. Oh, you're ready? I mean, if you're...

You name one by that character, you name one. Daylon! Daylon! Daylon! That's stupid. You know who'll never be in my top five? Oh, stop. No, no, I'm going back to back with you.

OK, who? Silk Shock will never be in my top five? Oh, stop. Nah, nah, I'm going back to back with you. Okay, who? Silk Shock will never be in my top five. Respect. Respect. Where the camera? I'm paying. Silk Shock will never be in my top five.

Silk Shock will be in every sauce award. Stop it. Give me another nigga. Let's call Z-No-Back right now. Hold on. Let's call Z-No-Back. Silk Shock. Nigga, never be in your top five.

Give me another one. All right, let me live with this one. Definitely not Mr. Niggas. I love Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man.

Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man.

Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man. Man R is dude strong. Yeah, what you talking about? You know you'll never be in my top five?

Murphy Lee, same little tits, never be in my top five. Let's go. You next. Good. No, Scram Jones. Nah, Scram Jones. You're not going to do a beat for him. You're not going to do a beat for him in 2021.

Fuck it. EFA, you next. Get it ready. Damn, this is getting pretty hardcore. Never be in your top five. This is hardcore. This is hardcore. I say no disrespect. I love the group. I say a Malakata

The group Who will never be in your top five? The group Rumble still skins. Nah, I need a rapper. I need a rapper that actually like them. I actually like them a lot. Come on, man. You next. Give us one. Give us one.

You ain't give us one. You gave us fucking these. I'm not going after you. What are you talking about? Let's go. Train, go this way. Nah, because I'm going to give a regular like that. Nah, fuck it.

Let's go. Nah, nah, I don't got one, man. Come on, Tone Up. Come back to me. Nah, nah, I don't got one, man. Come on, Tolo. Come back to me. Nah, nah, I fucking told you. Rap will never be your top five. Oh, oh, OK, OK, you're right. OK, just top five, top five.

Come back to me. He'll never be in your top five. He'll never be in your top five. Top five MCs, like, will never, come on. He'll never be in your top five. He'll never be in your top five. He'll never be in the top five. What does it mean they're whack? Don't mean they whack. Just mean they're not as bad as the top five.

Nah, I'm just making sure they're not coming on Drink Champs soon because I want them on. You're not on our five! No, I want them to be on Drink Champs! We're trying to be politically correct. No, it's not politically correct. I just want them to tell their story on Drink Champs. I'm just thinking. And then you next. Get yours ready. I got one.

I got one. You know what? Yeah, the tag team, dude. Sorry, guys. Tag team, never be in your top five. Just give it up. Tag team, who that is. One of the biggest records ever sold.

Yeah, they will be in my top five. Never be in your top five. I'm not going to lie. And I love these guys. And I live in Miami. It's so terrible. Smile is the soft stuff. Oh, damn.

They won't be my top five. And my boy managed them. They had some reponsal. They produced a record with me. Miami We're trying to find the non-lyricals. I'm next? Yeah. I'll do another shot. I'm next? Yeah. Look at our eyes. I mean, that's the easy. That's so easy. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I got it.

I got it. Oh, Lenny Gray, never be in my top five. I'm petty. Petty Thug Mafia. I'm petty. I'm petty, Murphy. It's Graham Jones, nigga never be in your top five. What about, what's the name?

Who? From right there. From right there. From right there. From right there. From right there. From right Jones, nigga never be in your top five. What about, what's the name? Who? From Rockefeller that got, what's Shorty's name?

Amil? Amil never be in your top five? I get that. No, that's very safe. I get that. That's too safe. That's safe. Yeah, that's safe.

EFM. Come on now, fuck that. That's three champs. Who got granola bars? Let's think. Who got the granola bars? Let's think. Who got the granola bars? Let's go. Who would that be?

It would never be my top five. The thing is, I have people in my mind, but it's just like, Nah! That's the problem. Oh, I got somebody. I'm not worried about nobody showing up at the ring. It's not that I'm not worried about them, man, because I don't think that, like,

I don't want to throw shit at anybody that doesn't deserve it anymore. Yo, it's not saying you whack. It's just saying you would never be in my top 5. It is saying you're wack man, it is saying you're wack. It is saying you're wack. It is, it is. And the people I'm thinking are legends in my mind. They're legends. But they, lyrically they don't stand up to the top 5.

Bro, I'm never be in Norrie's top 5. I'm Mad Skills, I'm from Virginia, that's cool. I ain't fucking with Hov, Nas, motherfucking Eazy-E. I ain't in my top five, you seen my top five. I'm not in your top five, I know it. Yeah, Eazy-E in my top five. Nori ain't in my top five, and that's my nigga. That's my nigga, that's my nigga. We could say a million people,

but I think the minute you say it. I just like doing it because niggas always go, who in your top five? Like, no, we in your next top five? Like, no, you're next top five. I'll name my top five. Big L, Rakim, Ice Cube, Scarface, if I didn't already say. Okay. And Pun.

I like that. I like that. I like that. You said yours. I said mine. Let's be positive here, bros. Come on, let's not be positive. Y'all have niggas on the show that say fuck me.

So, this is what it is. He definitely didn't say fuck you. No, no, no, he didn't say fuck me. Let's take another shot. Yeah! At this point I'm done. I hope this is what you wanted, because I'm a two drink minimum nigga. I'm a two drink minimum nigga. Yeah. We keep talking.

We keep talking. Scram, who were you not produced with? What's next? Nigga will never be in my top five. And yours? Are you going to go with that? I'm going to skip you. Wait, I said something.

I said. You didn't say nothing. I said, said, uh, it was a tag team. I don't even know what that is. Tag team, back again. MC Brains will never be in my top five. No, I like MC Brains. Fuck out of here. I mean, he won't be in my top five.

No, he'll never be in my top five. Isn't he from Virginia? No. Stop playing with me. Who is relevant right now? Oh, I like it. A part of the light-skinned mafia, which I'm not a part of. I'm a part of the dark-skinned community, which I'm not a part of I'm part of the dogskin community

Joe button is never gonna be in my top five Listen I love it though, I love it. Listen, I love you, DJ. I don't even like that part. I can't say that. Doo doo juice. You said doo, what? Doo doo juice? Doo doo smoothie. Oh, man. You got to settle another whole shoe. Stop.

I've never heard of that. What is that? Joe Butt is a rapper? Joe Butt is a rapper. No, you can't say that. You know what? Y'all niggas biased. What's with Joe Butt?

No, I ain't doing this with you. No, but you are. I ain't doing this with you. What? What's up? What's up? What's up, man? No, he know, I ain't doing this with you. Nah, but you are. I ain't doing this with you. What? Pumko was a hit. Nah, man. No, he got low key. No music.

No, he low key got mad at me because I put him in the wrap up and shit. What did you say about him in the wrap up? I said he jerked off his dog. What the fuck? I mean, that was a little weird, bro. That was bad. Weird, though. That was weird.

That was weird. There's no way of getting around how weird that was. Wait, wait a minute. I didn't even see it. I just know about it. Wait, what the fuck are you talking about? Wait a minute. Jerking off a dog?

What the fuck is a jerk doing? He said he pleasured his dog because his dog was luring him. He said it? Oh, girl, sir. He said he enjoyed it. Did he do it on the show? I'm not. I didn't come to Miami and talk about Joe Bud and jerking off his dog.

I'm not jerking off his dog. The dog was about you. No, he had a reason for it. For real? He said he had a reason for it. He said his dog needed to get off. He needed to release. And then he had to help the dog. But you know what? No, it wasn't a joke. The nigga was dead.

No, it wasn't a joke. It was a joke. It was a joke, but it was some lotion in his hand. I'm not joking. you, you jerk. You're a jerk. You're a jerk. You suck. Yo, it happened.

It happened. Yo. It's just, drink champs, it happened. Fuck it. He got mad at me because he was like, yo, the wrap up, they was like, I don't listen. I don't, I'm not, I don't listen to the podcast. I don't know. So, he's like, yo, Joe Budden said you was gobbled, the wrap up was trash.

And then I was like, okay, cool. Like, that's Joe Budden. That's Joe Budden. That's Joe Budden. That's Joe Budden. That's Joe Budden. That's Joe Budden. That's Joe Budden. That's Joe Budden. That's Joeas like, yo, Joe Budden said you was gobbled.

The rap over was trash. And I was like, okay, cool. Like, that's Joe opinion. And I was like, oh, he probably mad because I said he jerked off his dogs. And nigga like, yo, like, Skillz B was trash. He trashed. Him and the, he got a, it's a white boy, whatever. White boy to black boy.

His grandbrother. Whatever. So, I was a, it's a white boy, whatever, white boy to black boy. His friend's brother. Whatever. So I was like, I get it. I was like, I get it, but you jerked off your dog. But why would he get mad if he talked about it? He didn't. Here's the thing about the rapper. No, he talked about it.

Hold on. He said. No, he talked about it. That's what I'm saying. I don't understand why he would get mad about it. He talked about it. He talked about it. I wouldn't have known about it if you didn't say it on your podcast. I said it? No, if he didn't say it. Oh, he talked about it. I wouldn't have known about it if you didn't say it on your podcast.

I said it? No, if he didn't say it on his podcast. He said he jerked over his dog on his podcast. He said it. He was like, yo, he needed a release. So I did what I had to do. There's like a meme. I don't know if it's real.

But there's a meme or something showing him doing it. But I don't know if it's real. And I put it in the wrap up because it happened in 2020. But he got in his face. No, it might have been real. But I'm not doing it. No, it was real. They told me the same shit. You just got gray his seat. No, it might have been real, but I'm not the one. No, it was real though.

They told me the same shit like- He's got gray hairs out of the blue. Yeah, I know. He came here as all black. So he's right. He fucking jerked off his dog. We the same age. Somebody pull up and see if that's the- I think there's a video of it.

Yo, how you got another bottle of that? There's a video of it. See, there's a video of it. Nah, nah, he spoke on it. No, no, no. He jerked off his dog. It is what it is. I'm thinking you playing. Yo, nah, nah, nah. He's drinking on his dog's blood.

It is what it is. No, no, no. Dead serious. Dead serious. He says he needs to do it for his dog. For the benefit of his dog. The health benefits of his dog. Nah, they told me I got a bulldog. And they told me if I want to...

They told you to jerk off your dog? They said if I want to breed my bulldog I can make a lot of bread but I gotta do the jerk And I'm like nah I'm good He's doing it for the two of you They saying bulldogs they have trouble you know what I'm saying uh breathing So the owner gotta help And I was like it's not that deep You gotta do the earthen jerk

Cause you can make a lot of money off Bulldogs, but you gotta do the dirty work. I said, I'm good with that. I'm good on that. Hey, Joe, buddy. Hey, Joe, buddy. I'm paying. But this is what I'm saying, though. If you said it in the rapper, and it's real, why did he get mad at you, though?

He got pissed because I guess I put his business on front street. Because you must have said it in a way that was disrespectful. But you think he can rap? I said Joe Budden can rap. I said Joe Budden. I think he can rap. He cool. I've never been a fan, but it is what it is.

But here's the thing about the rap up. If I put you in the rap up, it's because it happened. Right. Right? I'm going to put it in there because it happened. I'm not going to be super disrespectful. I was super disrespectful 0-2, 0-3.

I'm not going to be super disrespectful now because this shit don't make sense for me. And that's probably why old boy shit go up because niggas want to

hear the shade. They want to hear the tea. He should do Hot Topics on Hot 97. It'd be good for him. But for me, I'm not going... This year, the wrap- rapper was eight minutes and 46 seconds

Which was the same amount of time that the nigga had his knee on George Floyd name God bless so for me it was more of a point for me I'm like I get to the end of the song and I say the whole time you've been listening to me was the whole time that that nigga had his knee on George Floyd's neck. Imagine listening to a rapper rap that long and the nigga was fighting for his life that long. So the wrap up had a meaning this year. It was 8 minutes

46 seconds. Cause the shit gotta reflect the times. So for me that's what it was. And I think they listened to it. They was like oh the beat was trash the flow was trash. Skills out of here. We fucking with the other one. I'm like alright cool but it was. And I think they listened to it. They was like, oh, the beat was trash. The flow was trash. Skill's out of here. We fucking with the other one. I'm like, all right, cool.

But it was a meaning to the shit. Oh, we need a moment. And why it was as long as it was. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I did what I did. Out of respect to him. And the family hit me up. Like, you know, we appreciate that.

Because I'm like, it's December. George Floyd happened in the summer. I don't want niggas to forget. Why? I'm going to try to remind niggas one more time you know I'm saying just to let niggas know I got questions could I got I got I got someone that I would have put on the list and I wonder and I want to know why dude like I want to know the history behind Magoo

I talked about it earlier I was wondering why he kept on getting thrown in the cypher when the shit was like... Yeah, no, no, I talked about him earlier. Like, he doing well, man. Super dope dude. You know what I'm saying? What? But that was the reason why.

The rapper was the man of time that it was. You know what I mean? Oh, I got more questions. What's up? All right. I'm faded now at this point. I'm going to go ahead and tell you now. It happens.

Who was in the room? I want to ask... Why he look for his question. Got your question. Got it ahead and tell you now It happens Who was in the room I want to While he looked for his question Got you Who was in the room Because the way I became a skills fan Was listening to Stretch and Bob And that one freestyle you did

I know you made a B-side out of it Was like punch line after punch line Five minutes straight I forgot what beat it was But like Red Alert Who Walked the 45K

That's what it was It was called uh but i had like some some underground like you know what i'm talking about that's my that's his his his but then you put it on the b-side but who who but there was other other mcs there though right me and q-tip and q-tip stretching bobby though you went crazy was like yo we gonna invite you up here but you gotta bring q-tip We need to interview Q-Tip So we can talk about So that was the way you got there So we can talk about these beats

And how he been doing One Love And the Nas remix Q-Tip goes When they ask me to rap I'ma kick the shit to you And spit that shit you spit Shout out to Q-Tip for that

Yeah shout out to Q-Tip He said He said spit that shit you spit in the lobby in Atlanta, in the hotel. I said, alright, boom. Q-tip starts rapping,

throws the shit to me, I do the shit. Stretching Bobbito wouldn't even have me up there if it wasn't for Q-tip. And then Q-tip threw the shit to me and I did the verse.

And the shit went, it went viral, I guess as viral as you can go. Nah, that shit, yeah. Nah, that shit was on vinyl, bro. Nah, that shit, press it up. And I did the verse and the shit went it went viral I guess is viral Start rapping it everybody in Rock City in the park No, but that was another rapper on it? It was a song. Nah, it was Marcus 45 King, just instrumental. It was on a non-signer. That's when I was going to Rock and Soul, I was going to Rock and Soul to get records. Rock and Soul had 45 King, had a little compilation, beat number four was that beat I rapped over.

Wow, that's an era bro, that's an era. I'll never forget that, I had that shit on record too. I got a first voice for that. Thanks to y'all. You guys jacked Aaliyah, or you that somebody record? Yes, DJ Lonnie B, Danger Moth. Oh, I have that vinyl. Big, that remix. Aaliyah liked it so much, she actually made it official.

Yes, that was one of the plaques I got early. Danger Mouth rapped over it. Yeah, that shit is classic. Lonnie B was in the heavy hitters. Shout out to DJ enough. He still is in the heavy hitters. Lonnie B and his daughter too, which is super dope. Wow.

He the first DJ that has his own kid in the heavy hitters. Wow. Danger Mouth rapped over it first, played it for me. I rapped over second. Lonnie hears it. Lonnie B hears it and goes, oh, nah, nigga, I'm getting off. Like, I need 12 balls. We do it.

We give it to, this is before you could give your song to a nigga at the radio and niggas played it. Niggas would never play a song at the radio at 98 with you rapping on it. Nah, nigga, the fuck you mean? This Debt Jam, I'm not about to add you to Kasey's record. Fuck you mean? We did the song. The nigga who was PD at the radio station, fuck, he came up with us.

He start playing the shit. The shit pops off. It gets to Timbaland. It gets to Aaliyah. Aaliyah like, nah, I want them niggas at the tunnel to perform with me. We performed with Aaliyah at the tunnel. That record is classic.

What year is that? What year is that? 97, 98. So let me tell you, you know what? Every time I think about that record, I think about the year that we brought you to do the show in Miami, your first solo show. It was 97, 98.

Yeah, and I played that record at the club. Listen, in Virginia, they don't play no other version but that one. Right. That's the one. That's the only one in Virginia niggas know. Wow. Like, shout to Aaliyah, rest in peace. Yeah. Ill ass, you know, artist. I met her through Timbo. Super sweet, special girl.

And she's from Virginia too? She's from Detroit. No, she's from Detroit. Oh, artist. I met her through Timbo. Super sweet, special girl. And she's from Virginia, too? She's from Detroit. No, she's from Detroit. Oh, Detroit. That was the first project that Tim and Missy got on their own. Like, yo, do this Aaliyah album. And then they get...

To you? Love you, bae. Nah, they got it. Love you, bae. She was crazy. It's school, lunch, back from cable. You hear this?

So, your relationship with Jazzy Jeff. Really? What the hell? Holy shit. I didn't expect that. No way. Well, I toured with him for 13 years. I was his MC.

Right? I made it so the only nigga that could come get the microphone from me while he was DJing was Will. That's it. Ain't no other nigga coming up. Me and that nigga was so tight. I knew he was going to play before he played. I tipped my hat to him. I respect him.

I love him. I filled up two passports with that nigga. I'm on my third passports now, two of them is because of Jazzy Jeff. You talking about those stabs? Yes, Dubai, England. I've been everywhere in the world because of that nigga. Like I told you earlier, I started dating Esther Dean. I moved to LA.

I tell the nigga, yo, I'm a fall back from em seeing Cuz I'm out in LA now like I'm working. I'm good. I'm getting back to my song right shit. I wrote the I tell him I'ma chill cause what I'm what I'm making

with you I feel like I can you know I'ma just fall back I'ma focus on my song right shit I quit

and the nigga never says nothing to me ever again and I start DJing and I start DJing and I start these and I start getting better and he starts having these DJ retreats and his crib guru their quest love DJ scratch like a call like a call like I'm trying to get them in vice I never got invited never and I started DJing and

we never spoke again and I don't know what happened I don't know this is not in my notes by the way I don't know why it happened I just asked this question

thinking it was going this is weird I thought this was happening but hold on did Ron Fess did it after you Ron Fess

Ron Fess came after me he had another MC after me, but we never spoke again. I still haven't spoken to him seven, eight years. And I don't know why. You quit. You do know why. Yeah, but that shouldn't... Well, my thing is this. I started DJing.

And you also understand petty game. But my thing is this. You've been playing petty game all this whole time. My thing is this. I'm a dope DJ. I started DJing, I started doing my thing, but... But you left Jazzy Jeff, the best great DJ! Nigga, do you know who you are? You're the greatest hip hop DJ ever! So you think he's looking at you as competition? He has the first hip hop Grammy ever!

How could I ever be in competition with him? He was in West Philadelphia. I just, I what it is. I love them and it is what it is, but we don't speak That's weird. That's not my notes. That's a little awkward I'm sure you said that they influence you on them. I learned the same thing you learn from me nigga I learned same thing you know, but we wasn't on tour with him a day, but same time you did you take something from him? Did you take a look at the Peter Piper routine? No, I can do the Peter Piper see I can never do it as ill as him. Or the Rock the Bells.

Or the Rock the Bells. Or the Rock the Bells. You have to. I did the Rock the Bells routine. When KRS-One came to VA, I did the Rock the Bells routine. But everybody's done the Rock the Bells routine. It might have been a little different because it was me. But my thing is, bro, when it came down to me on that theta and them turntables i fucked with the b junkies i fucked with dj manuel i fucked with dj lani b

i fucked with dj b out of va those are the niggas that taught me right the same thing i learned from him as a dj the same thing y'all niggas learn you watch them you watch the videos that's in the third i don't know why we don't talk i'm'm fucked up right now. I love you, nigga. It is what it is. You want to talk to this camera right here? I'm Teddy, but I love you, my nigga.

Thank you for everything. Let's work it out. And it is what it is. Let's work it out, man. It is what it is. It is what it is. And listen, let's be clear,

Sperm Jones, Mariah Carey just jacked us. We don't mind. Nah, that let's be clear, Sperm Jones. Mariah Carey just jacked us. We don't mind. Nah, that was a good look. We don't mind. Mariah Carey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She do all the, see, do my name on there.

I don't know. I can't find the record. Yeah. But listen, so you know. You got Mariah Carey on? Mariah, you can do whatever you want with my vote. No, she getting that. She got to come tell the story on the drink champs.

Oh, yeah. We need Mariah Carey on the story. Drink champs? I know you be acting like you don't care. Can we tell the story? Oh, yeah, she's on there. Can we tell the story on the drink champs. Oh, yeah. We need more drinks. We got to tell the story. Drink champs. I know you be acting like you don't care. Can we tell the story about you choosing to get a chorus instead of a... Remember, she was going to give you some bread to get on the remix, and then you took the

chorus with the pun? Oh, you got to relax. That was the time she was a whippin' on the drink champs. Come on. We was in the hula. Yeah, the hula. I was like, the thing I tried got there. I got the stories. I got the stories. We got the stories. That was the time you was in the hood lab. Come on, street chase. Yeah, the hood lab. I was like the thing

I got there. I got the stories. We can tell the actual stories about coming to the hood lab. That's the time I messed up. That's great. No, it's a dope story. I actually was like

the first black man that actually had land on 32nd and Madison. The hood lab. Real estate. Real estate. So let's put it this way. Can I put it in perspective? Please. It's good. The hood lab. Real estate. Real estate. So let's put it in perspective. Please, subscribe.

Give this man a shot. Give us a lot more in there. Yo, I don't want to give you that mic. That's something we got to wire in. It works. I hear you perfectly. Don't listen to this guy. What are you doing?

Don't listen to this guy. Are you ever read Joe Scamp? Come on. I thought you were going to look slow. Give this man doing? Don't listen to this guy. He make me look like a salesman. Are you ever read Joe Scram? Come on. I thought you looked like a swan from the chair. Give that man a shot, man. Give that man a shot.

Give him a shot. Come on. You can't. I'm out of here. You got it. You got it. Let me do a memory. I'm trying to remember the way this right now.

You want to give me a shot? Give me a shot. No, no, no. Don't take a shot. No, no, no. Go. Tell your story. Tell your story. Tell your story. You want the shot or the story. The story, the story. So rewind it. You had property on 36th and Madison. We had there 32nd and Madison.

32nd and Madison. That's a whole lot, right? Scram Jones. Scram Jones. Boom. So boom. I was engineer and producer for Norrie coming through every day.

Norrie was the type to jump on the sidekick every morning to like 12 to 15 people, yo, where y'all at? And talking about. Norrie. He still does that. Lutter had a squad there. You should have a sidekick. I was the...

And the sidekick. So I was the one that pressed the buttons, but he'd only press the buttons like once in the day. The rest of the day was just drink a pinot and bullshit it. But if it was a moment of record, he'd jump in, do a one-taking, and then go back to chilling. One-taking, I picked that up.

Nah, he wouldn't care. It was a slur. We had to fix it. You one-taking chill? Yeah, one-taking chill. I picked that up. So that's wouldn't care. It was a slur. You know, we have to fix it. You want to take it chill? Yeah, I want to take it chill. I picked that up. So that's when he just dropped Oye Mecanto

and the Rock La Familia blew up. That's when the reggaeton in 2006, I think that was. I had the number one record in the building. Can we talk about how Tango turned it down? I still play that record today.

You got to. You got to. Let's go. You got to. All right, so shout to Nature for actually bringing me through to you first. Nature was there, by the way. Your man, Yaksta. Shout to you.

Your man, Yaksta. Yo, come on. Let's get some more shots. What's going on? I don't care about my little shit off my hoodie. What are you going to do, man? Close his hair? I don't give a fuck.

I'm taking another pee-pee, so I don't give a fuck. Hey, man. All right. I'm going to follow everyone call his hair. I don't give a fuck. I'm taking another pee-pee, so I don't give a fuck. Hey, man. All right. I'm going to follow everyone back from here. All right. I don't think this is a problem. This is your story. This is my story.

This be a new slide. This is how I'm going to play. This is how I'm going to play. I'm going to go pee, too. I'm going to go, too, man. We'll do it. We'll do it. How long you in Miami, by the way?

I leave tomorrow. Oh, okay. So, what happens? Nature brings you to the studio. All right, all right, all right, all right. All right, so, basically, I start becoming regular at your hood, quote, hood lab, even though it's on Madison.

Six empty rooms, only one room with a computer and a mic. The rest is mice running around. In the winter, we don't wear bubbles like it. Like like there's no heat. It's just like a foul situation, but it's Like you know as an up-and-coming producer DJ obviously it's not it's not it's not what you know So, you know, it's about being in the right place So I already knew if I'm a plant myself there, Norby know everybody, everybody's showing up, boom, boom, networking.

And then when he got signed to Rock Live Familiar, Dame Dash surprised him by bringing Mariah to the hood lab. So when she showed up, I was already in front of the boards and everybody was on the DVDs. And your face turned this color. Exactly. Pink. Critical.

Nah, that's a fact. No, real. But everybody was concentrating on the DVD because that's a fact. No, we're... But everybody was concentrating on the DVD because I was DVD-er, so you was talking to DVD, trying to get us footage, and I'm sitting there like, shit, I should play

some beats in the background. You know what I'm saying? Smart. And then by the fifth beat, she's like, what's that? And then after that, you know what I'm saying, do the pass off,

and then she picks something. But let's be clear. Let's be clear. That's how you got the variety placement? That's how I got it, the Nori. Wow. Let's be clear, let's be clear. That's how you got the right placement? That's how I got it, through Nori. But let's be clear, let's be clear. But I want to tell the other story.

This was, you know, I had searched for studios. What happened was I started to notice that I was losing money when I put a studio in Queens because Queens is either, it's in a nice part, but to get to that nice part, you got to go do something crazy. Right. Jersey just seemed too through something crazy. Right. Jersey just seemed too far to people. Right.

So I finally got the perfect location. 32nd and Madison. The person who was renting it to me at the time wanted like the whole year's rent up front. I think it was like $6,500 the first year. So he wanted it all up front. No, no, not for the whole year. $6,500? No, I thought he wanted like six,500 the first year so he wanted all of no no he's not for the whole year Man, I thought he wanted like six a month damn near no No each for the for the whole year he went to six thousand

I'm gonna put the money into the rent and not the equipment. So we really didn't even have equipment. Shout out. Can I give a shout out to somebody? Can I just say one name? Who? Shout out to Vin the Chin.

Okay, good. Shout out to Vin the Chin, man. Hell yeah. So this is like our... Wow, he provided the equipment? Yeah, but then he got tired. That's another story. This is literally our third day.

Paid for the whole year. I got this illustrious property on 32nd and Madison. But when you went in it was not so illustrious. No, it's illustrious outside.

They didn't do no decorations. Not the hood lab. Because crazy we had to sleep there a couple times. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. We're not in a hotel.

You let us sleep there. I was fucking with each other back then. Since 97, 98. That's dope. That's dope. That's dope. So I got this fucking ill fucking studio. Like everyone's going to come in.

What, did you just give the address? No, that's a fact. So what happens is Mariah Carey wants to hang out. Dave Daz hits her and goes because she lives a block away. Super easy. Literally a block away.

Super easy. So I think they actually walked over. Wow. And she walks to the other side She lives a block away. Super easy. Literally a block away. Super easy. So I think they actually walked over. Wow. And she walked to the hood and I could not believe how... She was about to say... I didn't know who... Mariah.

I mean, it's Mariah, but I didn't know how much hood niggas turned into groupies. All the time. Nah, that was bugged up. We was already... We was already turds. We was already turds. We was already turds. We was already turds., because we was already... We was already turds. We was noobies. We was noobies.

Nah, Deuce had the battery already, because we was drinking that Pinot. What the fuck was she drinking? She walked in and she was like, this is what crack the oil? She threw me for a minute or something. She's sitting there, she's chilling, and I'm like, yo, you drink Pinot Grigio?

She's like, hell yeah. And listen, I had a, just so happened, I had a refrigerator Pinot Grigio. Let me tell you, more than every mortal asked for Pinot. That was the best I wanted. The best mortal I tried to get to is, this is our third day having the hood of that. 32nd and Madison.

Between 32nd and 31st and Madison. This is a luxurious property. I did not order the furniture yet She wants to sit down. And all she can sit down on is a motherfucking milk crate. Yeah, that was gay too. I was embarrassed but proud at the same time. I was like, yeah! One part of me was like, this is kind of fucked up.

But then the other part of me was like, Steve, you a bitch! Yo, yo, FYI, that shit is on the gram, by the way. You know, I'm on YouTube. Like I said, once we brought, this is just the Pinot Grigio. She just, she drank, she ran around the studio. It was just a beautiful moment.

She did drop nine out. You had Mariah sitting on a milk crate. A milk crate. A milk crate, a milk crate. So let me finish. Right on that first. But hold on, let me finish the story about that feature

because I don't know what, did you even record to it? Yeah, I did. All right, so boom. So let me just tell you. That night, I was drunk as fuck. I remember you calling me

and you were like, yo, yo, Mariah, you called me like four in the morning. You were like, yo, Mariah just said she got like 50 racks for me to do the remix

but I'm going to pass on it and I'm going to tell her I need a hook for this joint I got with Pun or to a Green Lantern beat. So you remember you was like, I'm going to get the hook from her I'ma pass on it, and I'ma tell her I need a hook for this joint, I got one pun, up to a Green Lantern beat. So you remember, he was like, I'ma get the hook from her. I said, yo, I mean, that's all you, if you wanna pass the 50 bands, I get,

and then that record did it. That's a picture of me been up. That record ain't dope, it never came out. Which one, the one with the hook never came out? No, so he got a hook from her, but it was on a, the pond the pond verse was sensitive So in them come out I had a pun verse that unreleased pun verse and Me and me upon had a song called friends. All right

And we jacked the friendship but yeah, so we knew we couldn't do that And so when Ryan came and did that I was like, you know what? Let me just and she's listed so we had gave an original beat of this rest in peace ecstasy from Houdini but you know Bob Mondas was a Mariah Carey big upset it was a Mariah Carey but what happened to that verse though I have no idea do you have it though cuz I never even heard your verse. No, the fact that they promoted it, I just-

I kept Googling it. It kept coming up like Mariah- My wife said she couldn't even find it. And it just came up with Jewels and Cam because they jacked it. They did like a mixtape version of it and she ran with that. And you know what? I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for that moment.

Me too. Just us knowing like, at the end of the day, this is hood dudes opening up some shit for three days, and you got one of the most biggest stars in the world. That's classic, man. That's classic.

That's the reason why I never really changed the hood lab. I never really decorated it. Yo, listen, I ain't gonna lie. I had Evie Queen coming. Evie Queen, wherever you at, I'm so sorry. We need her on Dream Champs as well.

Yo, listen, I'm so sorry. She came into the hood lab, and she took off her shoes. And I wanted to tell her, our maid is fired forever. Please put your shoes back on. This is not the place to take your shoes off. But I couldn't. Evie Queen was so gangsta.

I was like, oh, shit. She's gangsta. She don't care. I was just mopping everywhere she went. Like, oh, shit. I know we had mice. He mentioned that earlier. Queen was so gay Ghost in that motherfucker and I got stuck, the elevator was suspect. I don't think we ate with the white cow down the street. Oh, it was a white cow down the street. Right down the street, that's all I ate. Miami niggas are going to discover white castors.

That's crazy. You know what white castors is to y'all? Like Miami subs to New York people is fucking phenomenal. Miami subs still exist. That's fucking phenomenal to New York people, but y'all hate it. I don't even know it exists. Shout out big murder burgers. It's a part of my Don't We go in this out cuz you still got a shot last time oh shit, you know what? You got a show from the last episode. And one more, and one more.

Let's go, let's go, let's go. What, we taking a shot? Mine's already done, I gotta fill up. Hold on, that's y'all last year's shots. What I'm gonna say is, on our show, we want to pick up our legends. And in other genres of music, there's not even a word called washed up.

Okay, boss up, boss. I got a lot. You gotta put it on, you word called washed up. Okay, Busta Busta. I got a lot. You got to put Busta on speaker. Yo, Busta Busta here, drink chance with Mad Skills. What's up, what up? What's going on? I'm good, y'all. Finish working, hit me when you're done.

I hit you when I'm done, bro. I got you, I got you. I'm adding you out. All right, what up? Nah, keep that shit in there. Busta Rhymes called during the Mad Skills episode. Keep that shit in there. Didn't DMX call earlier?

DMX called. Yeah, I was before the episode. I let y'all know my phone is hot. God damn, my phone is hot. You don't know who I know. I get it. But we want to big you up because in our game, when I look at these other genres of music like jazz and all these other things, there's no word called washed up. There's no word called like you've been here too long.

I see these rock and roll people. They taught 30 years in this game. Right. And everyone cheers them on. So I, along with my partner, EFN, we want to change the narrative of that we want to let people know that you know campaign is aged you wine that's real sure 87 years of certain campaigns that is great ones. Yeah, that's real.

It's the same shit. And the thing is, I want to change the narrative for our culture. I want people to know that, you know, it's like you said earlier, like, you know, y'all borrowing the car. Yeah. Y'all got the car. We ain't mad. We gave y'all the car.

Right. But take care of it. Just take care of it. Get your transmission and your muffler. Like right now, I don't even got an oil changer. My own car right there. I'm fucking up. Yeah, because if you don't take care of it, it won't take care of you.

The yellow engine light cut off as soon as I cut the car. Let's all remember, what would we be without the car? Facts. Without hip-hop, bro, none of us would fucking be. That's what we really need to concentrate on we fucking we come from a special music man that has changed the world most popular uh art form in the in the fucking world man the world saying like it is what it is like these corporations and these businesses they know what we bring to the table man hip-hop has changed the fucking world

so with that being said you know we just got got to cultivate it and I'm saying white grape on you white grape on nori Let's do it You ever wrapped up a scrap Jones be First of all this nigga did a song, this guy did a song called Fork in the Road. And I remember hearing it. And it was the most amazing shit that I've seen. This nigga's on Kanye West. I called him.

And I remember calling him. And at this point in his life, he told me, he was like, I wasn't sure if I was going to DJ, if I was going to rap, if I was going to produce. I called him and I said, yo. I hit him on the DM. I said, yo, Twitter. It hit him on the DM I said yo Twitter it was before the gram I said yo fam you better

than Kanye you are did I tell you that or did I not tell you that nah he put the battery in my back I said bro you better than Kanye

keep doing your shit never met him a day in my life I might have seen him again at the do over maybe a couple years ago but we never met but I always been

a fan of his that was super love I always been a loved i've always been a fan of him you know what i'm saying like producers beats i i i wasn't even rapping then no i wasn't even rapping i wasn't singing i still i stopped playing songs in my mixes like my thing is whatever i'm doing if i'm with you i'm gonna put your into what i'm doing right you know what i'm saying if i if i a podcast, I'ma drop your name on my podcast. If I'm doing a mix, I'ma play your song in my mix.

I did this shit for him plenty of times. And he played my shit early, like, back, back, you know what I'm saying? Nod factor, big beat days. Like, I'm a fan, man. Thank you, Skidd. Let's take a shot to that. Let's take a shot to that.

Solid. Solid. Solid. I'm listening to the request now. Everybody put in a shot. Solid. I'm not asking for a question. Everybody put in a shot. All right. I'm fucked up. Why'd you do that to yourself, man?

I'm a two drink minimum nigga. Don't push so hard. Someone got a beatbox outside. I'm a two drink minimum dude. We starting to cypher. This shit crazy. We a 20 drink minimum people. What's next?

All right. So, the question is, what's the goal time? Scram, scram. Let me get the opener. Tell me about that. Because that's the question. What's next? What's next?

What's next? What's next? What's next? What's people. What's next? All right. The Curses of a Ghostwriter. Scram, scram. Let me get the opener. Tell me about that. That's after I Ain't Mad. And I was going to ask you about the albums and then we can get about it. I Ain't Mad No More and The Curses of a Ghostwriter was the raucous album, which was the same album.

I was on tour with Nerd in 2002. I started selling them shits out the at the shows. Nerve? Any idea? Finished the show. Yo, meet me at the merch booth. I'm selling CDs and Mad Skills t-shirts. I sold probably more of them shits than Rockers sold. I was moving them. Because I knew

Rockers was out of business. So I'm like, nah, I'm going to sell my music. My shit only came out, it only came out like, it came out real quick and they didn't press up no more CDs. So I pressed up CDs on my own like a mixtape, sold them shits. And a million dollar backpack. What was in the million dollar backpack?

Million dollars. I want a million dollar backpack. That was E1 after Jim got it poppin'. Shadow Stokes, you know what I'm saying? D-Song to Graham, those my niggas. That was when I did the song with Common, Freeway, Black Thought. Who else I had on the album? Talib Kweli.

That was the first time I did a song for women and realized, like going back when the OG said, yo, make songs for who you think. Be in the lobby lobby I made a song called he don't me for real women loved it so I ll for like 15 minutes loved it Sometimes. On the weekends, I'm with you. I'm with you niggas sometimes. May I throw Depends up there? No Depends. Why you never did a song with Genuine? When I got there, Genuine was ponied, killing them, Differences, So Anxious. Him and Tim was getting big. I was the rapper. You know what I'm saying?

When I popped in, it was Petey, Bubba Sparks, Miss Jade and then Missy had this artist from from my hood named what was her name Mocha Nicole Ray. Nicole Ray I did a song with her. Got a brother named Kenny, shout out to Kenny. We was doing songs together but I never I never hopped on a genuine joint. It wasn't no beef. You didn't want to get on the phone? Nah, I didn't want to get on the phone. Not like that.

Not the way you put it. I hopped on the Leah remix, and that was what took us. I got a question, Scourge. You do a lot of live streaming for the ladies. You do, like, brunches. Yeah, I do a 90s girl brunch. You ever got some buns off of that? I haven't got no buns yet off of the stream that I do every weekend, 90s girl brunch,

but it's a community of women and people that have gravitated. It was dope to DJ, and people started supporting each other. Like, yo, your daughter sell Girl Scout cookies. I'm going to buy some from her. You do a fitness class. I'm going to take your fitness class. Dope community. I do a fitness class. I'm going to take your fitness class. Dope community. I built a whole community.

When the quarantine hit, and niggas couldn't really go out and eat shit. No buns, though. No buns, though. All right, the world needs more skills. One of my favorite albums, I wrote the song called Celebrate Life. That was for Ross.

I don't even know if Ross ever heard it. But if you hear the song now, it's me. You can't say shit like that. What do you mean? There's more than one Ross in the world. The way you made that sound, you just wrote a song for Rosé.

No, no, no. For the hook, I was trying to be Rosé. I don't know if he ever heard it, but it was for him. But I ended up keeping it for myself. Crazy-ass song called Celebrate Life. Shot the video in Vegas when I was on tour with Jeff. Shot the video in Vegas with my man Christopher Schaefer.

Shit cost like $400. Shit looked like a fucking $50,000 video. He doesn't know why he doesn't speak to Josh and Jeff no more. No, no, I was here, guy. What are you talking about? Yeah, we don't. No, no, I was here, guy. We were talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were just here. It last album, I love the songs, and it just made sense to make it at the time.

Okay, Thoughts Become Things. That was supposed to be my last album. It was not. It was not. Well, continue. Thoughts Become Things was more so me saying, this is my black album. I'm on some whole shit.

I'm out after this. Did it. Shit was dope. I put it out myself. One of the crazy things about the album is, as a kid, on the cover of the album, I'm sitting on the floor watching Run DMC on TV. I see Run DMC is your influence.

First niggas that made me want to get into the game. Run was... He's a pirate picker picker? Listen, my Adidas Suck MC changed my life. Right. You know what I'm saying? Run and D had to be the coolest niggas in the world. One time, I wanted to beat the shit out of Run.

But that's a whole other story in real life? Nah, you gotta elaborate. I can't tell you that. Reverend Run? Reverend Run did me so dirty one time. You're gonna have to say it. I can't tell you that. You already put that out there. You got to. Give a shot, give a shot, give a shot. You gotta tell us, you gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us.

You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us.

You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us.

You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. You gotta tell us. up, pictures on my gram nigga, Run DMC show up, Run DJ amazing. I'm in a break dance group with my cousin and his sister, shit crazy. Me Run DMC take a picture. 20, 10 whatever years later, I'm on Raucous, High and the Mighty, I got a song with Mos Def called B-Boy Document, shit's poppin'.

Remember when Kool used to do those cigarette parties where they had to have a party to promote the cigarettes? Oh shit, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I know. It was a sponsor and everything. Yeah. It was a sponsor and everything.

They would have a comedian. They would have a comedian, a rap artist, a fucking graffiti writer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They thought they was doing it all. Good. I'm on this shit with Mos Def, High and the Mighty. One DMC's closing out the building. Virginia Beach.

I'm down there with Pharrell and from. I can't believe I'm telling the story. I see this nigga run on the side of the stage. I walk up to the nigga. I say, yo, my nigga, my name Mad Skills. I met you when I was 13 years old in favor of No Colana. I love you, man. Like, listen, you changed my life.

I'm a rapper. I'm on Rockets, Reddits. The spiel was too long. I said, yo, I said, I just got this thing, I just like shaking rappers hands with the hand that I write my rhymes with my nigga. Thank you so much. Nigga tapped me on the shoulder, nigga said, that's what's up.

Nigga, I'm like this. He left you hanging. I said, oh. And then you said that's what's up He was he was a dickhead 85 when I met him, but I was 13 Second time I met him He's a Reverend. Oh! Put my hand out, nigga ain't shaking. Fast forward. Well, you sure he not a germaphobe? Like one of them cats?

Fuck all that. Fast forward, 2015. He could've said it though. 2015, Black Thought calls me, say, yo, I need you to help me come to New York. And write the front row? No, no, no, come to New York and do this, help me out on the ad libs.

We doing a show for, when the Super Bowl was in New York. No, no, no. Come to New York and do this. Help me out on the ad-libs. We're doing a show for Super Bowl. When the Super Bowl was in New York, I said, I bet. He said, yo, they call me, they fly me in.

I brought a brand new 5D camera. I'm like, yo, I got my 5D camera. All my hip-hop legends are performing now. Right? P-Rock, CL.

I don't know that they're not cool. I don't fucking care. De La Soul's still cool. Naughty by Nature, they not cool. I don't fucking care. They lost. Oh still cool Naughty by nature they beat you up. No, no Vinny Vinny and trust is my favorite. You don't know that day that cool Bowl the Super Bowl the roots present hip-hop Featuring run DMC featuring Pete Rock and CL smooth featuring Dougie Fresh and Slick Rick featuring De La Soul

and featuring Jim Jones. They had to get a New York nigga on because the Super Bowl was in New York. It's freezing fucking hot. I get to the fucking venue. I got my own shit. I get to the venue. Everybody's backstage

Shit's crazy shit's super Wild right I'm like I Bet I see Ed Lover I see Ice T Coco it's it's it's this shit I see Fucking Ed Lover this shit is New York and it's S it's freezing outside It's intense December 3rd All my hip hop heroes are performing

Dougie Fresh performs With Slick Rick they do the fucking show. I'm bugging. De La Soul performs. They still cool. Pete Rock and CL Smooth perform. Vinny and Tretch and KG perform. Shit's crazy.

Run DMZ performs. I'm like, no, nigga. I'm going in the front with my camera. I got to get this shit. Even after he shitted on you? After he shitted on me. I'm like, nigga, I got to get this shit. Nigga, I go to the front.

D-Nice with me. D-Nice standing next to me. Because this is when he early with his photography shit. Yeah, shout out D-Nice, man. Shout out D-Nice. We standing in the paparazzi pit. Backtrack. I'm backstage.

A DJ walks up to me and says, yo, my nigga, I'm a fan, my nigga. I used to bang your shit in college. My name's Charlie Chan. I DJ for DMC. I said, that's what's up. Appreciate it, my nigga. I used to bang your shit in college. My name is Charlie Chan. I DJ for DMC I said that's what's up. Appreciate it my nigga. The gram was new Twitter was popping the gram was new nigga takes a picture with me Immediately posted to the gram. I'm like oh shit this nigga really a fan That's dope. Fast forward I'm in the pit Watching Brent DMC perform

It's like Frank Sinatra filming Muhammad Ali Nigga I'm in the pit watching Brent DMC perform. It's like Frank Sinatra filming Muhammad Ali. Nigga, I'm done. They got two DJs. Jam Master Depp, God bless the Depp. Jam Master Depp passed away. DJ Ruckus is with Run. DJ Charlie Chan, the nigga I took a picture with earlier, is with DMC. I'm in the crowd performing, watching this shit.

You can't be performing today. No, no, I'm in the crowd. I'm fucked up. Maybe he is performing, watching this shit. Got my camera. You can't be performing in the crowd. No, no, I'm in the crowd. I'm fucked up. Maybe he is performing, bro. Maybe he is. I'm in the crowd. I'm in the crowd with my 5D Canon. And look, he's performing right there.

You in the crowd. Watching, filming Run DMC. These niggas hard, time, off this way, this and the third. The nigga DMs, the nigga Run takes his motherfucker hat off and says, yo, who's the biggest one DMC fan in this motherfucker tonight? This corporate it's the roots. It's Budweiser. It's corporate. I'm nice. It has a fedora. He takes it off Fedora, okay. I'm gonna do this hat to the biggest run DMC fan I'm like nigga. I'm blue. I don't know my I've been on my shit

I got a 12-inch sound by method man red man I got a hill Madica said that I bought off 125th sound by now This by trial court signed by all four members, I'm gonna add this hat to my seat, right shit I'm looking at this shit like yo this nigga this nigga says yo give me a slide give me a silver sharpie somebody give me a silver sharpie they bring them out of sharpie nigga signs the hat I'm watching this shit like nigga if I get that fucking hat he get a hat DMC Sign this shit, D. DMC signs the hat. I'm like, nigga, when I put that. I don't know, I don't know. Please just say this shot before you tell me who got the hat. Who got the hat?

Who got the hat? Nigga, so. This is a build up. I go, who got the hat? If I get that fucking hat, I'm out the game. This is the Roots Late night with Jimmy Fallon It's not the Tonight Show yet They doing

Jay Leno's still on They doing the shit after Jay Leno They ain't moved up yet The Roots Black Thought called me Say I need you to come Come with me with these Ad-libs

I do it Run DMC's performing Run signed the hat D signed the hat He like yo This some rock and roll Hall of Fame shit Who is the biggest Run DMC's performing. Run signed the hat, D signed the hat. He like, yo, this some rock and roll Hall of Fame shit. Who is the biggest Run DMC fan in here tonight? I'm sitting here going, I'm a 13-year-old kid in Fayetteville, North Carolina.

I need that hat. I look at the DJ who took a picture with me for the gram early. I say, yo, fam, I need that hat, fam. Nigga says, I got your skills, I got your skills. I'll see your family Niggas The DJ DJ gold Charlie said he goes I got your skills Mouse it to me. He'll send him the mic. He mouth it to me. I'm like, oh nigga I'm in run walking back and forth and stage with that Who is the biggest run DMC fan in here tonight? Charlie Chan tapped the mic.

Yo Run, yo what's up my nigga? Yo I think I know who the biggest Run DMC fan is. Yo who that? Yo that's my man Mad Skills right there in the front row. That's the biggest Run DMC fan I know. I said oh shit. The nigga goes. I know you ain't get it right there.

The nigga don't know who I am. I. The nigga don't know who I am. I'm not expecting him to know who I am. Nigga run goes. Who? He said, he says it again. Yo, my nigga Mad Skills in the front row, black hat right there, that's the biggest Run DMC fan I know, my nigga.

The nigga goes. Run goes. Man, that nigga ain't no fan. That nigga working. Like I said, yo, that was my biggest run. that nigga working Like I said, yo What? I said, oh Oh, listen I got it on tape, dog Listen, I got it on tape

You hear, you hear D-Nice And all of the paparazzi go D-Nice and all the paparazzi go Oh I put the, I put the cat lens on the On the camera I close the camera lens on the camera. I close the camera, cut the camera off. I walk back to the side of the stage.

They like, yo, I walk up to the side of the stage. I got my pass. I'm on the side of the stage. We're in DMC performing now. I'm pacing back and forth. His kids are right in front of me. Jeff, De La Soul, fucking CL Smooth. I'm pacing.

They like, yo. I say say yo, I'm pacing I go I'm smack shit out I'm not no ride ride nigga niggas. Don't even see I'm pacing niggas like Jazzy Jeff goes yo skills you good I say yo, I'm a smack shit out that nigga, bro Niggas like no no no no I said no bro he had to do that bro he said you working he said that nigga working but what that means they looking they because I had a camera I'm in the pit he goes skills you good I said yo I want this I want his kids to hear me I I say when I see that nigga. I'm a smack Black thought sees me goes. Oh you good. I said nah, bro. Fuck that nigga, bro I'm sorry. I'm trying to be loud. I want niggas to hear me you were doing

Black thought comes over to me say skills, Skills, what are you doing? I said, Reek. Because I called him to Reek. I said, Reek, I'm going to smack the shit out that nigga when he come off stage, bro. He said, Skills, you can't do that. I said, why the fuck not, bro? He said, no, Skills, come on, bro.

This is my shit. I said, fuck that, Reek. That nigga, yo, that's the third time a nigga that played me in my fucking life. He goes, Skills, this nigga Re-trying to talk to me. He ain't never seen, I've known Black Thought 20 years. He ain't never seen me act like this. Nigga like, yo, Skill, I got some words for you.

I said, what? He said, nigga, NBC, Jimmy Fallon, nigga, Budweiser. Like, meanwhile, a white bitch got the hat. She don't even know what the fuck Run DMC means. I'm mad. He said, skills. You can't do that. I said, bro, when Run finishes, I'm going to smack the shit out of him.

Diggy turns around like, Like, nigga, nigga, say you're going to smack my dad. He heard you? I can't remember if it was Diggy or JoJo. It was one of them. Like, nigga, say you're going to smack my dad? I'm like, yo, when Run come on. Like, nigga, they took me off

the stage, put me in a room in the back, had security with me, and kept me there until Run DMC got off the stage. I've never told a story in my life. I was gonna save it for the book. But that's like...

Every time I met in Queens, it's like, Every time, every time I met, and Queens, is the best borough for rappers. God damn it. But every time I met that nigga, Run, from Run DMC, he treated me like a piece of shit.

And I almost beat his ass at the fucking 2015, fucking joint. Did you ever score shit, or no? No. Obviously not. Ryan,

I love you, but every time I met you, you treated me like shit. It changes the, it changes

the perspective of two years ago, a friend of mine, fuck out of here. Like, yo, I don't know if he was just

in a bad mood. I think he's rooting on Run DMC prospects for having them on print jobs. I don't know if he was just in a bad mood. I think he's rooting on Run DMC Prospects for having them on BrickJumpers. I don't know if he was in a bad mood, but every time I met him, every time I met him, bro, he treated me bad, and I never forgot it. Wow. To the point that I was almost ready to throw hands with him in 2015. Wow.

And he probably has no clue, never knew. But damn, bro, I met you when I was 13 and I loved you and every time I met you you treated me like shit But they say they say never meet your heroes man, cuz you Never meet your heroes cuz they gonna remix your whole view with him. I probably got curved before about hero. I can't Noriega maybe Niggas in VA. I'm pretty curveball. Yeah. Nigga. I say you curve a couple niggas in VA. At the height of Super Thug.

Yeah, I had to relax. You curve a couple niggas. Yeah, I had to relax. Yeah. More people calling me. Let me relax. No, no. Yeah, nah, a couple niggas.

Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, man. One of the illest... No, no, don't tell that story, Nori. No, no, no, fuck it. I told mine. No, no, this is the end of the story. I was saving rent for the book. Huh? this. Don't tell that story. No, no, no. I told mine.

No, no, no. I would say I'm running for the book. I would say run for the book. That shit was crazy. That's a great story, bro. That's a great story. And you know what we're going to do? We're going to bring you guys together here on

Drink Champs. I would love to just hug. He going to bring running Jazzy Jab. Running Jazzy Jab. It's going to be Jazzy Jab. He going to block those. He going to come to. It's going to be Jazzy Jeff. He's going to block those. He's going to come to. It's going to be Jazzy Jeff.

When you Google yourself, I want you to Google yourself tomorrow. Like, it pops up as y'all best friends. So when you Google me, it comes up me and Jazzy Jeff as best friends. As best friends. I wish we were. Well, I know, but that's, man. I say you call him right now. I'll speak up.

I think we should call Jeff. Give me a Jazzy Jeff number. I got it. say you call him right now. I'll speak up for you. I think we should call Jeff. Give me a Jazzy Jeff number. Ah, yes. Don't call him. I got his, well you might give him my number. Let's see how this works. Come on. I think we got him.

I don't know. We know you got him on parenthood. On fatherhood. Parenthood? He wasn't on fatherhood. No, he wasn't on fatherhood. Come on, let's see this Jazzy Jeff pick up, bro. We really about to do this?

I put fatherhoods on my fatherhood. If you try Jazzy Jeff, I'm trying Uncle Bird, man. We really about to do this? I put followers on my phone. If you try Jazzy Jack, I'm gonna try Uncle Berger, man. Fuck it. Let's just... Nah, fuck that! We'll call Jazzy Jack. We're not calling that nigga. Nah, you need to call Uncle Berger. Nah, fuck outta here.

You got my task force and everything. Nah, nah, I only got emails, sorry. You got to squash everything. No, no, I only got email, sorry. You only got email. I don't even know if I had a number. Come on, let's see, let's see. Yo, call him, man, call him. It don't make sense. You got to make sense of it.

This is trading places right now. You got to help us out. I don't even know. What's the next question? I got the next one. Thoughts become things. We already talked about that. All right, all right. The next one. Thoughts become things. We already covered that. We talked about that.

Alright, alright. The last one. Made in Virginia with Big. Listen, Big Dawg, one of the best- Don't put down the phone, call him. I don't have his number. Oh, I thought you had it. Oh, Big Dawg, let me see.

Big Dawg, one of the best producers I ever met in my life And we made an album called Made in Virginia And that nigga Is amazing And he don't get the credit You know what I'm saying That he should No he don't

But wait I do have Jazzy Jeff's number Hold tight Oh okay He don't get the credit That he should But Devil in the new dress You meet him and her devil in the new dress

You meet him to her well the devil in the blue dress ain't that big? No, that's big What show are you at? I said Lucia. I said Lucia. Come on, man. That's this right here. Devil in the blue dress. Fucking lights, camera, action. You need him and her. Hov. Seagull. Beans. The humble monster.

And when they talk about the blueprint, they always talk about just. They always talk about yeah. Yeah, get big as flowers. Get big as flowers. Get big as fucking flowers. That's my brother. The ruler's back. All I Yeah, gill it. Talk that shit, shit. Yeah, get big as flowers. Get big as flowers. Get big as fucking flowers. That's my problem. The rule is back. All I need.

All of that. Like, the nigga is a fucking problem, man. What? One 900 hustler. One 900 hustler. Woo! Critical. Love and producers giving up.

That's true. Like, all of the Nate Dogg shit, I got love. Corrupt fucking, like. Big did that? Big did, oh, how did he do that? He did girls all pause. Yeah. All pause.

Like, man, I understand. Put some respect on my brother's name, man. Put some respect on that nigga's name. Give it up for Big fucking Dogg. I'm going to get you a mixtape real quick quick and then we're going to get up out here. And then we call Jazzy Jeff. Yeah, call Jazzy Jeff. Calm down, calm down.

We ain't waiting for that shit. Let's see. FaceTime. You should FaceTime him. He probably won't pick up FaceTime. I would pick up FaceTime. Yeah, you might be blocked. I might be blocked. Oh, let's FaceTime. FaceTime, man.

You appreciate it. Let's FaceTime. All right, we FaceTime. Let's clean it. It's a problem. Let's see, with the camera. Oh! Let's go.

Let's go! Let's go! Let me get down, let me get down. Jazzy Jeff, listen man, when we Google Madskills, we see that you brothers was together on tour forever. We don't understand why we don't see you all together. I asked him this question, he couldn't answer the question, so we wanna ask you. Okay. Okay, you got a camera?

What is going on? Hey man, I'm good, man. I'm good, I'm staying COVID free. Okay, and you wouldn't have picked up the phone if you didn't fuck with him, because obviously you do fuck with him. Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

Oh, god damn it, everybody here. All right, we need to see y'all together again. Listen, I still wanted to DJ. Uh-huh. And you ain't like that. What do you mean? What do you mean? Yo, Jeff, you ain't like that, Jeff?

You ain't like to DJ? No, this is a real problem. OK. I am never worried about any other man on this planet, DJ. Right. Because you DJ, DJ. That's right. So I'm good. Right.

But listen, I'm talking on the mic now, so I think Skills should DJ and I should MC. I'm ready to sign that podcast, whatever it's called. And Skills has been getting his DJ chops up, so we might have to do a back-to-back set. Hold on, let me put y'all on the line. Y'all need to make that right right there. Let's make some noise for that. We need to see y'all's message.

Hey, bro, they asked me. I didn't know what to tell them. I'm fucked up, Jeff. I'm about to cry, but I fucking love you, man. I love you, bro. Thank you. Thank you for everything you did for me, man. And I just want to say thank you, man.

I love you, man. I circled the globe with skills for 13 years. Understand that. 13 years we circled the globe. Listen, man. Hey, bro. I'm on drink champs. And I fucking love you, man.

Yeah. Are you getting on drink champs? Huh? Are you drinking on drink champs? I'm not. I'm Jeff. I ain't Jazzy Jeff. I'm fucked up, bro. Are you drinking on Drankin' Jeff Jeff Hey Jazzy Jeff I'm fucked up bro Hey Jeff you know I can't drink man

Hey man I love you man I'll call you afterward man it's just good to see your face man Absolutely Alright bro I love you man Love you too That's what Dream Chances is about. That's what Dream Chances is about right there, yo. That's what the fuck Dream Chances is about.

I'm going to change this subject for one moment because this has got to be the last question because this is too much. This is too much. This is so great. That was amazing, bro. When we walked in, we were talking about DMX. That's some real shit, bro. And you said to me, you got a DMX store.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to get that out. And this is absolutely the last question. Yo, you were great, man. Yeah, that was dope. I remember that. I forgot. Hey, listen.

You're an amazing podcast host, man. Yeah, you just made something. He just helped me. That's a seven-year shit. I'm trying to get that. Cheers. I'm going to take this. No, that was dope. That was dope. That shit was so emotional. Yo, a seven year shit, you jackass. I'm trying to get that shit. Cheers, I'm taking some shit.

Nah, that was dope. That shit was so emotional. Yo, we need those tears though for radio. Keep talking, yo. We haven't spoken in seven years. Please, make some noise for that. All of these some, look at that. Look at that.

That's emotional. Listen, man. That made me emotional. Nah, that's what we need, man. That's what Drink Champs is about. Dream Champs is about bringing people. Give me a motherfucking other shot. I can't.

I can't. I don't want no other shot. We're going to retreat next summer. Just include me, man. So, Greg, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So, the DMX story. So, I'm in Virginia.

We had this club called 24 South Union. Might have been called Flavus. Scram, come on. scram, stop playing. And DMX has a show. I'm opening up. You know, niggas still throwing me a bag for opening up. DMX comes up. And this was before, right before he had a case.

I don't want to bring this up, but I'm going to have to because it makes sense for the story. Somebody say he raped him or whatever, whatever. I don't want to bring this up, but I'm going to have to because it makes sense for the story. Somebody say he raped him or whatever, whatever. I think he ended up getting cleared. But it was a girl. I was like, yo, he took it.

DMX had a case. I go, I did the show. I fucking go to the airport the next morning. Me, my baby mom, my daughter. DMX is white hot at the time.

Oh, yeah. Mind you, he's fucking insane this is the year he had to album number one the same night I get to the hope I get to the airport I get to the gate fucking DMX at the gate chill I just opened up for him so I know you know why I'm like yo X what's up dog what's good I'm like oh shit what's up what's up? Dog, what's good, my nigga? I'm like, oh, shit, what's up? He's like, bro, killed that shit last night. You know what I mean?

This is fake. That's a good one. I was like, yo, thank you, ex. He's like, yo, you know what I mean? Like, you going to New York? I said, yeah, I got a meeting up at Raucous or whatever, wherever I'm going. Like, yo, that's good shit, man. Like, hey, fuck with your shit, my nigga.

I'm like, dog, we at to the, we at the gate. We sitting there chilling. I don't want to crowd the nigga. He by himself. Like, I'm going to add him as security guard, maybe a DJ. Fucking, the plane gets canceled. They like, flights canceled to JFK. Like, yo, what the fuck?

He calling motherfuckers. Yo, I need to be on the next thing. Like, I'm about to do this shit. You know I got to be on set. They like, yo, what the fuck? He calling motherfuckers. Yo, I need to be on the next thing. Like, I'm about to do this shit. You know I got to be on set. They're like, yo, whatever, whatever. This is Virginia. This is Virginia. Richmond, Virginia Airport.

DMX goes. I call my baby moms. Like, yo, come back and get me. The flight delayed to like 5. Me and DMX at the airport, 11 a.m. I said, yo, the flight delayed to 5. Come back and get me. She like, I'm about to.m. Right. I said, yo, the flight delayed till 5. Come back and get me. She like, I'm about to get on the highway.

I said, yo, circle back, come get me. She got my daughter in the car. Fucking, she comes back. She like, I'm out front. DMX like, yo, what you about to do? I said, yo, man, my baby mom's here. I'm about to just go fucking waste some time till fucking 5 p.m. Yo, I'm a rope. I'm like to just go fucking waste some time until fucking 5 p.m. Yo, I'm a rope.

My baby mom had a Ford Expedition. My baby mom had a Ford Expedition. My baby mom got a Ford Expedition. My daughter is in the back seat, in the child seat. She comes back around the loop. He tells his DJ or whoever, yo, I'll be back. They're like, damn, all right. Hey, she going to leave us?

He's like, yo, good. I'm fucking with skills. My baby mom comes around, me and DMX. I get in the passenger seat. DMX gets in the passenger seat beside my daughter. I go, yo, X, this is my baby mom. Yo, how you doing? She's like, oh, fuck. It's DMX. He's like, yo, how you doing, love? She's like, hey, what's up? I'm like, my daughter's sitting there. How old, how old, how old?

My daughter, she's old enough, she's three, maybe four. I said, yo, you hungry? He said, yeah, let's get something to eat. I'm like, I bet, true story. We stop at a KFC. We go to KFC. It wasn't even Kentucky Fried Chicken, because I don't even know if they was calling

this shit chicken at this point. They just called it KFC. Oh, you just called it Kennedy Fried or Brown, bro? No, in Virginia, it's just KFC, it's the Colonel. We don't have Kennedy, Kansas City. know if they was calling this shit chicken at this point they just call me kfc no in virginia it's just kfc it's the colonel we don't have kennedy no they don't know we get to the fucking me and dmx walking to the fucking kfc i'm like yo let me get a 12 piece the girl is standing there like i know y'all niggas she She looking at X, she looking at me. I'm like, yo, let me get a 12 piece,

you know what I'm saying, cold slaw, mashed potatoes, and let me get some biscuits. Can I get some hot sauce? She's like, yeah, sure. She's like, what do you have? X goes, yo, I want to get, I want to get an eight piece, no skip. She goes, what?

Eight piece, no skin on my chicken. She's like, you know. She said, you don't want no skin on your chicken? No skin? Original. Original. She goes, she goes, she done heard this voice. She goes, she done heard his voice, she goes,

oh shit, oh my god, Kenesha, oh shit, Kenesha, Jamel, come here. What'd she say you were again? Eight piece? No skin. Nigga, we get a twelve piece, we get a twelve piece of eight piece,

two mashed potatoes Two fucking Cobblestones I hope there's no skin On that motherfucker Nigga the food comes out She's like Oh my god

It's him It's him He's like Yo Appreciate you She's like Alright Nigga we eat the chicken

In the car We riding around I don't know what the fuck To do till 5pm With DMX With DMX I'm just telling my baby mom, yo, just ride around.

Yo, my nigga, that's Ivory's. That's just Broad Street. You're doing a tour. This the main spot where niggas come to. This the let out. Like, nigga, we go back to the airport after the club. I mean, after the fucking,

after riding around, my baby mom is like, my daughter's wild. She recognized his voice. You know what I'm saying From Get At Me Dog Get At Me Dog Was insane at the time My daughter's like

She's tripping Because she knows this voice We get to the airport DMX Back to the airport Back to the airport DMX gets on the plane I get on the plane

Small shit We flying from Richmond to Virginia Small shit 16 passengers. Quick flight. Going to JFK. Yeah, quick. 40 minute flight. I'm on a plane with

fucking DMX and all these fucking businessmen that work in Virginia but live in New York. Ties, suits, the whole shit. I'm flying to fucking New York. JFK with DMX. We in 2A, 2B. Ain't no first class

because all this shit's small. The nigga like, yo, what's good with you? I said, you know, I'm chilling. I'm about to do this movie and shit. Fucking with hype. I said, word, what is it? Now, I don't know what you're going to call it.

Nasus in it, you know what I mean? Nasus in it, fucking T-Boz. Shit's going to be crazy. I'm embarrassed crazy I'm embarrassed I'm embarrassed because I'm like it's me DMX and 12 white businessmen

this motherfucker's on the plane yeah you know what I mean X is fucking shooting me that bitch T-Boz you know what I mean and I'm just-Boss, you know what I mean? And I'm just like, yo, he talking so crazy. He tells me the whole premise of the movie. Nah, it's like two niggas, you know what I'm saying? They hustling, they getting money.

One nigga in the game, one nigga not trying to win the game. You know what I mean? And then, you know what I mean? At the end, the nigga, they try to get the nigga to assassinate, you know what I mean? One of the reverends. Nigga won't do it, you know what I mean, at the end, the nigga, they try to get the nigga to assassinate, you know what I mean, one of the reverends. Nigga won't do it, you know what I mean. Now it's good Africa. You know what I mean?

It's the nigga named Bunz. Nigga named Bunz. And I'm just sitting there like, yo, why you so loud? I fly to JFK. We land. Fucking DMX says, yo, you know what I mean? I see you, excuse me, I mean, VA all day, you know what I mean? I fuck with you, you know what I mean?

Two days later, DMX, Rachel, you know what I'm saying, comes out, you know, but he got off. But the girl say, girl's trying to come up. She says some crazy crazy about DMX She comes out two days later, and I'm just like Yo, this is crazy then belly comes out, and I'm like just the movie he was talking about Oh, you didn't cuz yeah, you know reference point buns It's T-Boz in the shit. You know what I mean? Method Man in the shit. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, nigga explaining this shit so loud to me.

And then Belly comes out. Let's take a shot for that. Let's take a shot for that. Goddamn. Hold up, bro. Let's go. Let's go. I want your shot on the air. I'm not even gonna see it.

I can't drink no more. I can't drink no more. Get your shot, brother. Get your shot. And then fucking Belly comes out. And that's what that is. I'm sorry, man. You can't say you can't drink no more. I can't drink no more. Get your shot, brother. Get your shot. And then fucking belly comes out. And that's what that is. I'm sorry, man. Because you can't say you can't drink no more. You're going to take one more drink and then say you can't drink that no more.

All right. That's it. This is drink chance. You have to be impressed. You're a fraternity. You pledging. We're all so fucking fated right now. Drink chance fraternity.

You good, too? I just drank it already. I can't lie to you. I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being open. Thank you for, you know, this is what it is. Everybody in hip-hop is a superhero. I believe that.

So our job is to show that superhero's cape. I believe that. Our job is to show that. Our job is to sit back there and even like, you know, from poor righteous teachers to, Yes. you know, when little Uzi Vert becomes a legend. Right.

It's our job to sit there and say why they're a legend. Right. And I'm proud to prove and show to people who you are, how you are, and what you are. Thank you, man. Because you're a motherfucking legend. Let's do it. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs,

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