Drink Champs - Episode 258 w/ Talib Kweli & Diamond D

Episode Date: April 23, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with Talib Kweli and Diamond D. Talib & Diamond D talk New York City hip-hop! Sharing stories of Big L, Russell Simmons and more. The guys talk about their favorite years in hip-hop, Dave Chappelle, Kanye West and much more. Talib & Diamond D announce their new collab album “Gotham”, dedicated to New York City! And Jarobi of A Tribe Called Quest also joins the conversation! Make some noise!!! 🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Part of one of the illest groups ever to come out of the Bronx, come out of New York City, to come out of the world. D.I. motherfucking T.C. The man is a legend upon legends. And he's coming out here to promote an album. That. motherfucking T.C. The man is a legend upon legends and he's coming out here to promote an album. That's one of them. The other one is one of my favorite rap-tivists, activists, rap-tivists, whatever we call it. He's a very positive brother.

We got to talk about the time we had Russell Simmons on. We got to talk about that. Are we going to talk about it? We didn't release the episode so we don't got, you know, I can get Simmons on. Oh shit. We got to talk about that. Are we going to talk about it? We got to talk about it. We're going to talk about that. Yeah, I mean, we didn't release the episode. So we don't got, you know, I could get these brothers

so long, but I want to get straight into the interview. In case people don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about motherfucking Diamond D and Talyn Carly! Motherfucker! Now, first off, let's address, You guys have an album together? Let's address the elephant in the room. Yes, yes. Yes, okay.

Well, first of all, I love the intro that you gave to OG Diamond Demon. Oh, that's my guy. Obviously, he's a legend in the game. Me and Diamond Demon working together on his last couple albums, the Dime Piece albums. And so we have a great working relationship.

He's one of the first known, famous artists to sort of take me under his wing. And so when he did my show, People's Party, he had sent me a bunch of tracks. And to show him some love and respect, I just bust on all of them. I was like, let me just rap on every track. And he flew in town the next day,

and I played it for him, but I didn't realize it was a make-ins of an album until I seen his response to it. Hell of an organic way to make an album. I sent them like 10 joints and when I got there I was like, yo. I see you got the good gazelles on too. I'm watching you. I can't get that. All right, all right.

So I was like, yo, you know, how many you did? I'm thinking you did like one or two. He's like, nah, I did like eight or nine of them. Right. You know what I mean? So that more or less just led to the album. Because that's how, is that how you usually send beats?

You send beats in like boats like that, tens and... Depends. Right, right. Depends. Because I get confused. I need like two beats

at a time. If you send me two... Sure, extensions fans? Yeah, especially if you send me like ten beats and then they all fire, I'm like, I shut down. So how did you able

to prosper through that and get, and record like eight or nine? I mean, it's different producers. There's some producers who like, you need to come to my studio and work with me. There's some producers that only send you the one they want you to rap on. Some producers send you a pack.

You know, I work with Madlib a lot. You might get a pack from him for like 200 beats. Madlib is a legend. That's a legend right there. He making like seven beats a minute. You know what I'm saying? I'll be confused. But I appreciate

the love that Diamond is showing me because I know for a fact the caliber of how he produced it. I know for a fact he ain't sending everybody 10 beats

or 12 beats. I know that I have to reach a certain elite status for him to even trust me to even, you know what I'm saying, to not take advantage of, you know,

sometimes you send people that amount of beats, they make their own album. These days, a nigga will make his own album and put it out. Right, right. Before you even knew he did it. I would imagine it's weird

to send beats from the era that you're coming from to send beats to people must still be weird, I would imagine. I mean, not at this point. You ain't used to it now? No, we definitely...

Because there's nothing like working with the artists in the studio. Of course. You know, before the internet, you had to actually sit down with the artists. Right. You know what I mean? Or contact their management. I like that era better.

Like, I always loved the era when, you know, you couldn't send your rail. You had to go and record on the rail. Is that why people always credit, like, the 90s and the 80s for it being better music than it's happening right now? It's because we actually, you couldn't get a Busta Rhymes verse sent to you. You had to go in there. There had to be chemistry between the producer and the MC.

By the way, right now, as we speak right now on Ebro Show on Apple, they are debuting a single from Gotham album featuring Busta Rhymes, The Quiet One. That's the name of your album,

The Gotham Album? Gotham, yeah. Goddamn makes a noise for that. It's a dedication to New York City. Now, you've been out there Quiet one. That's the name of your album? The Gotham album? Gotham, yeah. Goddamn makes a noise for that. That's the name of it. It's a dedication to New York City. Yeah. Now, you've been out there with Dave Chappelle catching COVID and all that. I feel like I might be the cure.

I'm the only one in the crew who didn't catch it. Davey got through it. Yeah. Okay, I see Angela Yee too. She was- She got COVID too. But she wasn't part of the crew. Hold on, hold on.

No, I think her peoples got it. I was there that night. They all went to karaoke. By the way, oh, you see I got my DJ Khaled Kohler cook on a coat on that I bought by the way Then I bought from the Dolce gabbana store Yeah, well I had to say cuz when I'm on the way here I told fat Joe I said I'm interviewing Diamond D and Tyler Kweli and he said diamond D is literally the person who is the nicest thing I ever heard her fat Joe ever say about anybody He said he said you know if it wasn't for you

He's like he literally came to you literally came to him and said you got a rap get the fuck out of the streets Yeah, yeah. All right. Make some noise. Make some noise. Yeah! What up? What up, Joe? What up, Joe Crack? What's up, bro? How you feeling? Down in DR.

Oh, that's beautiful, bro. Dwight's birthday. Bro, yeah, I know. I know. Shout out to Lorena. Put it closer. Diamond D saved my life. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. Shout out to Lorena. Oh, put it closer. Diamond D saved my life. And we knew each other since kids. And Diamond told me one day, yo, Joe, everything you do on the streets,

you got to put it in the rats. I know you like to rap. Or you're going to die out here. You're going to go to jail. And if it wasn't for that speech he gave me, I never would have really took rap serious and never would have rapped. That's real, Joe, that's real. You know that, D.

Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. I'll give you a call later on, player. You know what's up, D. I love you to death. Always. Y'all feel like the beat from Bendy's show ain't about to come on right now.

All right, my brother, we love you so much. Thank you so much. I love y'all, man. All right. One love. One love. Yeah. So, I would like to, I would like, because it literally was just like that.

I literally jumped in the car. He called me for one of his other friends. I told him I got him. Pistol Pete, pick up the pistol, Pistol Pete. I got you, bro. And I said, yo, it's funny because I know the relationship with D.I.T. And he literally said, yo, that man literally was the reason why I started rhyming. Like the reason why.

How did you do that? What was going through your mind? He was already into hip hop. Uh huh. You know, this is like, you know, early 90s. In fact, I was a music guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in the streets, him and his man Tone, you know, rest in peace Tone.

The whole Terror Squad crew back then, TS Squad. But like, you know, he was already like kind of in it. But he saw me doing it. You know, I was in a group called Ultimate Force. He saw Law Finesse doing it. Law Finesse is like right in the next building over there. We ain't popping the same bottles over there. I better relax.

He see me pop, he tried to pop more, man. It's not the same, all right, get hands. But yeah, so basically just Joe seeing people he fuck with, tangible people doing shit. You know what I mean? And you know, from then on, we ain't never looked back. We went in there, we made Flo-Jo. Flo-Jo started off as a promo for Red Alert.

It was back when Red was doing them promos. So it was a radio, just a radio, like a freestyle for the radio. Right. Wow. But this how it all tie in real quick, make a long story short, right? At this time, Chris Lighty was managing me, right?

I was on Violator. Norm was on Violator. And that was the connection between Red Alert, myself, and Chris Lighty and Fat Joe. Ultimately, Fat Joe wound up signing with Chris Lighty. Early Violator. On Relativity. Right.

And off and running since then. Goddamn, make some noise for that. That's how it is. I didn't forget about you a day before COVID. So let's get back to that. So we... And they were running

a tight ship over there. Diamond came out to the... I love that. I was getting tested before. Yeah, yeah. And then, so what... The people that didn't know, because I just have Instagram, right?

I didn't get invited, so I just... Oh, you got a didn't get invited, so I just... Y'all got an invite. Yeah, yeah. Cypher did tell me. But I just wanted the people to feel good. All right. So describe, what is this, a comedy show?

And he brings you guys out to do some songs? Yeah, well, basically this summer, he has a neighbor, his man Steve out there in Yellow Springs, who had this pavilion. And, you know, I've known Steve for a while. I remember when Steve bought the pavilion, nobody knew what he wanted to use it for. What is a pavilion, sir? It's like an outdoor structure in like a cornfield. Like a patio type thing. Like Children of the Corn.

He owned all the Children of the Corn. He owned the cornfield. He built a space for him and his people to hang out. I had gone to a birthday party Dave had thrown. They had thrown a birthday party for Dave the year before. It's a nice space for people to hang out. But when the pandemic happened, Dave got the idea to... Michelle Wolfe is a comedian who was staying at his house.

That's the lady that run 10 miles a day. That's right. She's hilarious, man. That's right. I'm on point. Yeah, she on point. Michelle's dope. Michelle was out there. Donnell Rollins is always out there. Ashley Larry. Yeah, Ashley Larry. Moe Harmer's always, man. I'm on point. Yeah, she on point. Michelle's dope. Michelle was out there.

Donnell Rollins is always out there. Ashley Larry. Yeah, Ashley Larry. Moe Harmer's always out there. So they like, let's tell some jokes in the cornfield. We'll set up the chairs. We'll socially distance. We'll test the audience.

Right. So they can come in. I think it started in the 20s. Because it's weird for black people to be in cornfields. And this time we want to be in cornfields. That's right. The town people had meetings. They tried to get it shut down.

But Dave would listen in on a city council meeting to listen to what the town people would say. You know what I'm saying? And then they would make jokes about it. You know what's genius

about the situation? Is that's the first time that you could understand that Hollywood could exist anywhere. That's what he kept saying. He kept saying that L.A. is dead.

He said L.A. is dead. Hollywood is dead. From from now on they got to come to wheat where we at so if I that's that's actually happening right now right now Joe Rogan left away to Austin Dave is in Austin right now with Joe Rogan they doing shows together Austin Texas yeah and then they're going to be in Houston next week. But that's what Dave was on. So what is it? Youngtown, Ohio?

What is it? Yellow Springs. Yellow Springs, Ohio. Where there's fish in the river. Yeah. Of course you come. Diamond went kayaking when Nico is.

Yeah. What the hell is kayaking? That's when you go like that? Out there with some fresh air. I ain't shit. I ain't never did that shit. We tried to get... That shit's fun. We tried to take Sada Baby kayaking.

He was like, wait, that's the shit. Y'all got to move the shit with yourself. You got to move the boat with your own hands. No motor, no motor, right? Yeah. Y'all used to jet ski and shit like that. Yeah, so, all right. We just read today that Kanye is worth $6.6 million.

Billion, billion, billion. Okay. Which actually- I'm assuming that's his net worth, right? Yeah, and they're actually saying that he's the richest black man in the U.S. In history of U.S. That's what the headline says. Let's add some context, though.

There's about 1,700 billionaires on the planet Earth. Only about 1,213 of them are black. And most of the black ones is entertainers. Even though we the majority on the planet, that's racism. That's like generational wealth racism. You know what I'm saying? This is way more black. Absolutely.

So we happy for Kanye and Jay-Z and all them. But the fact that there's 1,700, only 1,213 of them are black, that's crazy. That's crazy. But I'm staying on Kanye for a second. Do you think that is he talkable still? Can you still talk to somebody like when you were 6.6 million like a million and billion at this point? That's that's very interesting point because the fact is you're breathing very rare air.

And only certain people are able to exist in that stratosphere. It's almost like being out of space. The reason why Dave Chappelle is so interesting, I don't think he's a billionaire. I don't want to discuss too much of his finances. Everybody knows he gets his bread. And so the reason why he's so interesting is because he's able to get that amount of bread but still seem like one of us. And he's the exception to the rule. Kanye, I talked with him about that Trump. And he's the exception to the rule. Kanye,

I talked with him about that Trump stuff and all that stuff. He spoke about him on Drink Chance, I believe. Yeah, we talked about it when Depp Perez was here. And what's interesting about Kanye is, like you said, it's hard to talk to someone, a self-made man. Self-made from the bottom. I don't think he'll take Jay-Z advice at this point.

Yeah, who's going to tell him what to do? But it's hard to trust people too when you got that kind of bread and it's no one. I'll never take advice from a marriage counselor that never been married. Makes sense. Right. And they can give you the best advice ever. Like you know sometimes, you know that the best knowledge is the drunk from the hood that's on the block. He going to give you some of the best advice ever.

He just don't got his own for himself. For himself. But don't overlook that wise man that's a drunk that's on the corner. They going to hit you with some mathematics that makes sense. It just didn't make sense for his life. But seeing that diamond, right? Knowing that the music business of how it was back then and seeing Dave Chappelle going or make make his his his plot for like look

I thought we did that for De La Soul when De La Soul came up here we told Tom Silverman this is the right time to do the thing all these old white men is you know looked at as masters and even owning a thing called the master how did you feel when you seen that Dave Chappelle took that stance and Netflix took the stance that they did and then actually gave him back his rights or whatever? It was worked up. Talking about Comedy Central, right? Comedy Central, yeah.

I mean, it was only right they did that. You know what I mean? It was his shit. Right. You know, the way it got to me, to Kweli, was that the people who were there in the 90s, they're not there. You got a whole bunch of young people up there now. Right, right.

And they just wanted to do the right thing. Right. You know what I mean? So they gave him back his name, the show. They paid him some bread on top of that. And they owned the name, the Dave Chappelle show? They did. Now he owns it.

That's crazy. But that was the whole thing. At one point, they owned Noriega. That's why I was brought to NRE. That's kind of the place in the music business. A lot of own they own Noriega. That's why I would That's kind of in the music business a lot of artists probably even on any but my thing my good thing is dude They didn't really give a fuck about me then because they spelled it wrong That's why I smell the nre a e a GA instead of n or I Like the real dictator come on look for me being smart. Those contracts, you say likeness,

your likeness, and it says in perpetuity, in the universe, and it's crazy shit. That shit don't make no sense. That's colonizer shit. That's imperialist shit. That shit's crazy, yeah. That's trying to own somebody's soul and own their own life.

That's slavery shit. So I don't got to ask y'all that this is independent. I don't got to ask that, right? Yeah, we diamond partner. You got Diamond Mine. I got Javoti Media. We, we got diamond mine. I got Javoti media we partnered with in grooves distribution, but we own the masses Includes and grooves. Yeah, that's Oz. Okay, they've been around for a while

In group universal, okay. Okay. Hmm. Are we on the masters? Yeah, right I boom. How many records is on this album? What is it? 10. 10? Okay. I'm keeping it back to old. We got Sky Zoo on it. We got who else? Narae all day on it.

Busta Rhymes, John Forte, Nico Iz. Right. Y'all ain't got none of them new generation. None of them new niggas on there. Well, this album is called Gothic because it's a dedication to not just New York but old New York. And particularly after the pandemic, New York is different right now. So it was like, I'm glad that we got it in

before the pandemic. This is about the New York I grew up. This album was done I listened to Cuban Lynx for hours before I did this album. I listened to Diamond D's catalog for hours before I did this album because I wanted to get in that zone. I liked the way that Ray and Ghost, how their voices was different. So if you listen to this album. I listened to Diamond D's catalog for hours before I did this album because I wanted to... You wanted to get in that zone. I liked the way that Ray and Ghost, how their voices

was different. So if you listen to this album, you'll notice that one verse I'm doing in one voice, another verse I'm doing in another voice, just to have them different colors. You know, just how I grew up, me listening to records in the headphone on the train in the air where somebody see

how you dress and be like yo you listen to hip hop and they give you a fly or give you a cassette or something like that that's what I was trying to capture with this album god damn it

that sounds like that sounds like good shit right here and Dean what came first rhyming or producing for you for the Gotham album or just for myself

no no yourself in general the beats well I was a DJ first I started off as a DJ like most producers For the Gotham album Or just for myself No no yourself In general The beats Well I was I was a DJ first I started off as a DJ Like most producers You know what I mean

So I started off as a DJ And then from there I got into production And then You got fed up with the MC You're like Fuck it I'm gonna rhyme on this Not

It was It was just gradual You know what I mean Like you know I'm hanging around Lord Finesse a lot DJ Hutch and DJ Supreme Shout out to my around Lord Finesse a lot DJ Hutch and DJ Supreme Shout out to my man

Lord Finesse The brand new beans When they were recording Their first album So I'm around Pool Bar He's on fire You know what I mean

And you know Shit just rubbed off And it was a situation Opened up I got offered a deal And I said okay I just took the shit But that wasn't the norm

Back then right A producer being MC himself And self producing Say? A producer being an MC himself and self-producing. Say it again? Like being an MC and producing your own album. That wasn't the norm at that time. No, it wasn't. It was.

I mean, people was doing it, but, you know, not on a major label. But it's almost like you had to get signed as a rapper first right back then. And you won a Grammy, right? Yeah, for the Fugees. God damn it, make some noise for that. Where do you keep your Grammy at? Well, I got

the, I didn't get the actual statue or if I got it, Patrick Moxie probably got it. Anyway, I got all the plaques and shit. I gave my mom one and I got one. They give you like a, back in 96, got like a medallion, a whole package. But yeah, that was for the song, The Score.

The Fugees. The title track of The Score. Legendary. How did that feel when they called you and said you won a Grammy? Nas just won a Grammy. It took him 25 years. Yo, yeah, yeah. You know what?

He been part of your everyday since. He's been living his dream cat's life. It's nice to be recognized, you know what I mean? But it don't make or break you, but it's always nice to be appreciated. Right. You know what I mean? And you know, shouts out to Nas,

you know, he definitely deserved that. Yeah, he deserved that. Yeah, no doubt. Are you ever cared about the Grammys? Nah, I ain't give a fuck about Grammys, but you know what's funny about, I'ma tell you why I'm mad, I'ma tell you why I'm mad. I'ma tell you why I'm mad. I? Uh, nah, I don't give a fuck about the Grammys. But you know what's funny about this one? I'mma tell you why I'm mad. I'mma tell you why I'm mad.

That can't be the reason. I'mma tell you why I'm mad that Nas won a Grammy. You're mad that he won it? I'mma tell you why I'm mad that Nas won a Grammy. Because I don't give a fuck about the Grammys and I always used to say I'm proud to be in a category of artists that didn't win a Grammy like Nas Use the leaders, man.

Let's go. Let's go. I always think it's funny like that. I like to give the accolades when it's well-deserved as it is in Nas' case and your case. But I always felt like we should have had our own award show that's prestigious. Yeah, it was called the Source Awards at one point. I mean, it was big at its time. Source Awards, Hip Hop Awards, Soul Train Awards. We do got our own

shit sometimes, but it's always corporate involvement. Someone gets involved and fucks it up. I mean, shout out to my man Bad Seed. I don't know if y'all know who that is. Yeah, absolutely. He be on Instagram doing the Grind Awards, and it'd be like Bad Seed versus some rapper from Brooklyn,

like Bad Seed versus Rusty Jux. Right. Shit like that. I like when artists do their own shit like that. They did their own Brooklyn hood version of Versus. Like, okay, we're not going to get celebrated on that level, but let's do it ourselves. I like seeing shit like that.

Like when Justo did the mixtape awards. I like seeing shit like that. We're taking it in our own hands. Rest in peace to Justo, by the way. Speaking of verses, would you do a verses against Mos Def? I would. I don't think Mos Def would ever do any verses. Why, do you think he'd sugar you? No, he's not sugar me.

I'm trying to start a rumor. He just, you know, I think Mos Def don't like that. He don't like that sort of pageantry of it. But I would do it. I'm excited about the Ray and Ghost thing. Yeah, that's going to be dope. You know, I think me and most would be interested. At first, I didn't initially like it.

And then I went and I said, oh, you know what? They do got a lot of records separately. They have a lot. But it's just a celebration of them. But what's going to be most fun is to see which records who get to play what. Right, yeah. That's going to be most fun is to see which records who get to play what. Right. Yeah, because that's

going to be difficult. Yeah, does Raekwon get to play, does Ghost get to play Ice Cream? I think whoever, if Album It was on, they got to play. That's what I would imagine. That's how it should rock.

Yeah. Whatever album was in. And they ain't going to regret what they did. Would you want to go against a producer versus Lyman? Oh, yeah, I'd go

against anybody. Okay. Let me think of an answer. I don't want all the smoke. You against Buckwell? You and Premier. I'd go against Buckwell Okay. Let me think of it now, Joe. I don't want all the smoke. You against Buck? Well, you and Premier. I'll go against Buck. Premier already win.

Buck is family. That's what makes me dope. Just want some celebration shit? Yeah. That would be fly. All right, let me. That would be fly. Pete Rock.

You against Pete Rock. Pete Rock, that would be dope too. Anybody from the mid-90s to now. Right. Who been doing it that long. Right. You know. Right, yeah, yeah.

That's to have a similar catalog. Right. Yeah, I say, I can think of me, Rob. I think that's dope. I think that's legendary hero shit. Large Pro would be crazy. Alchemist would be dope. Man, I have no doubt.

It's Large Pro. Let me tell you something. Large Pro has never changed. He's been the same guy. That's the same nigga. He don't get enough respect for how he put in the game. I love Large Pro, bro. He still comes out.

How long y'all knew each other? You and Pete. Well, Large Pro used to come to my hood back in the days. And he's just always a good dude. He's just always around. So I've been with him for a while. I can't even tell you how long. Now, correct me if I'm wrong.

You've known him before Main Sauce? I think after Main Sauce. I've seen you in Europe on while. I can't even tell you how long. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but before Main Sauce? I think after Main Sauce. I've seen you in Europe on the road with Large Pro, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good party. We go out there. We do our thing. Spend a 45.

And you be DJing too. You should get all the money. I'm a celebrity DJ. I can't say I'm a DJ sitting next to Diamond D. I'm a DJ EFN and Diamond D. But yeah, I come to little spots. Wood Tavern, little spots. I do my little one-two thing.

They closed Wood Tavern, man. Word, one of the COVID shit, huh? They just shut down. But they just opened a spot right there. Pizza spot, pizza bar. I DJed there a couple weeks ago. What, Wood Tavern? The same people? The same people, yeah.

I just saw homie. They don't got the smoking section? I mean. I'm not going to blow it up. Yeah, I just DJed at that pizza bar. It was a good time. Oh, yeah? A couple weeks ago. What's your relationship with Miami?

Are you living out here partly? I like Miami a lot, man. I mean, you know, the South is crazy. You've been coming here for a long time. Running around super spreading and all that. Miami's wild right now. But I mean, Miami got something special. Miami's cultural.

With all the Latino people, all the Caribbean people, everybody who moved here from New York and everybody who moved here, Miami got a special thing going on. Even people locally who grew up here, the whole Broward scene, what y'all doing with Wynwood and what y'all doing with Art Basel and Arts.

Shout out to Thurston Howell and everybody who just come and relocate. Miami's very special. Yeah, I've been coming down here. I mean, Kid Capri was down here at one time. King Capri was down here. I remember. I used to do.

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We did the Russell Simmons episode. Are we talking about that now? Yeah, you got to. And mind you, that was a quarantine episode. It was on Zoom. It was Russell Simmons episode. Are we talking about that now? Yeah, you got to. And mind you, that was a quarantine episode. It was on Zoom. It was a quarantine episode. I wanted to do my version of marching. I have a platform.

I know how powerful it is. Well, I didn't know then. I didn't know how powerful it is. So we wanted to do a panel. So I think we hit you. I think it was Bun B, and Mark. Mark Lamarhill.

Mark Lamarhill. And, no, there was no female on there. And who? It was Bun B, Mark Lamarhill, was Maison on this? Maison, and you. And I remember on the promo, it was one one part of the thing this part never got out this part never got out but when Russ who actually came on because first it was just us but when Russ first came on all of us smiled like everyone it was just like a refreshing thing but when I looked at that footage I said nah that can't come out because how but you

said something to me so I called you the other day. I was like, yo, I didn't even really know after that happened. I was like, I didn't really know how much they're accusing Rassav and all this. And you said something to me that I've never heard before. You said, yeah, we're male privileged. And I said, what? I had never heard that. Like, you know what I'm saying?

The privilege, we have a certain privileges as a man that we don't even, that it's not like we're blocking the door, we're ignoring it. It's like second nature almost.

Yeah, I had never heard, had never heard of that before. Right. Talib, so. Yeah, yeah. So, and then I did my research, you know,

I spoke to Mark, Mark Lamar after that he was arguing with Rosa a little bit too yeah he was I was arguing but it was crazy about

so I went back and watched my first Drink Champs that I did the first time when I got really drunk the first time that fucked me up

tell me your credit that was great but I brought Rosa up in that Drink Champs and you said wait she's Puerto Rican I need to meet we need to meet.

Right. So it was bug, I was like, oh, I hadn't mentioned Rosa the first time years before. It's funny that y'all started arguing. And it's crazy. The convo's with her, I mean, I had a couple exchanges with her on Twitter, I think. Yeah.

And it was mad, like, it was calm and. No, she loved hip hop. It was level headed. It was passionate. It was level headed. And my thing is, and this goes out to Sister Rosa, who I don't think I've ever met. And if I did, I apologize if I don't remember.

But the canceled kosher, because this is what made me mad and this is what made me upset. Just by having Russell on, she said, drinks champs hates black women. Yeah, that's the part that's crazy. That's crazy. Okay, I don't know what that is. Japanese whiskey. Oh, that's the part that's crazy. That's crazy. Okay, I don't know what that is. It's a Japanese whiskey. Okay. Oh, that's good whiskey right there.

So, hold on, let me finish, because I don't want to just leave that out there in the atmosphere, in the universe. Right. So, the thing about it is, I ain't supposed to know everything that's proper. Sometimes, you got to just take time out of your, instead of coming at somebody and dissing them. Or assuming something. Or assuming something. Or assuming something.

Like assuming that we were all co-signing. I actually more or less didn't use the episode more for my son, Talib Kweli, because these are my brothers who I look to for my consciousness. You understand what I'm saying? And when they didn't, and Lamar, even Lamar Hill didn't say nothing.

He put his head down. But I would have appreciated him to say, yo, listen, I can't be here. He'd be after the fact. Yeah, he'd be after the fact. He went straight to Twitter. Right. He went straight to Twitter

and I had to accept it. I had to accept it because this is the day and time we live. But he was trying to cover his ass, which he was supposed to do. But like I said, in this day and time, I see the comedians

that are having a rough time because they can't say certain words. They can't... And I just wanted you to touch on that a little bit, that when you hit me with the male privilege. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think we all in this room understand...

There's a bunch of dudes in this room. Yeah. Well, first of all, I love this show. This show needs a lot more women. It does. And you and me spoke about that. Yeah, it does. And that's the first thing.

As guests. As guests. But you know that's not us. Right. We've invited them. Right. We've invited all of them. So even with my show, People's Party, I found it's very easy, especially in a hip-hop space

that's testosterone driven, to fall into the habit of just booking men because it's men that run this shit. No, we don't want to do this. But I found that to out above and beyond. Hold on, let me stop you right there. We don't really book guests no more. The guests book us. Okay.

So it's kind of like... Right, right, right. But with the females, we reach out. And females is different because you got to deal with their management, you got to deal with their boyfriends, you got to deal with... But from day one, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte,

Al Fox, you're a little kid. All have been invited. Like, we've reached out. But from day one, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte, Al Fox, you're a little kid. We've reached out. I believe y'all because I go above and beyond to reach out to women to get on my show to make it more balanced. And that's a challenge. It's not easy. But because we have,

back to the point I was saying, everybody in this room, we understand white privilege. We understand that if you're born white, it doesn't matter whether you're rich or poor. If you're born white, you're born with a certain amount of privilege

in this society. Whether you know it or not even. Right. So if you're born male, and that even goes for black men. I didn't know that. If you're born male, you're born with a certain

amount of privilege. Certain doors open up for you in society that open up for women. The most glaring example is the pay rate. Women get 70 cent to every dollar that men make. That's the most glaring example is the pay rate. Women get 70 cent to every dollar

that men make. That's the most glaring example. You know what I'm saying? But we, everyone has a specific amount of privilege. Straight white men have more privilege

than anybody. Straight rich white men have more privilege than anybody. But everybody got some sort of privilege. And you don't become a jerk by having privilege.

You become a jerk if you just don't ever acknowledge it. I think in those spaces we had them conversations We sometimes fall into the male privilege whether it's intentionally or not Right, and I think that's I think that's what we was doing in no in that conversation Right and so when Russell came on I don't want to get into the weeds about what who thinks Russell did what right? The fact is is that the accusations are out there.

Right. Accusations have been made by credible individuals. Right. These are not random people. These are people who have credibility in our business. Right.

The fact is that Oprah, though, pulled away from doing a documentary on Russell because she couldn't, I can't speak up, but she pulled away from it.

Right. Right? So. So I thought he deserved a bit of a doubt from there. Well, it's your platform and you're allowed to do that. Right.

No, I actually walked away from it. You did. You made a choice. I said, well, we, I didn't understand it. Well, I remember that episode I wasn't even there. So I forget what my reason was.

I wasn't on that episode. Because it was Zoom anyway. And I found out after the fact and I still found myself arguing with Rosa on Twitter about it trying to defend our stance. And I'm going to tell you something just because we never brung it up. Next time you see a person that's of your culture that's doing something that's culturally not appropriate,

you can, the same way we was DMing and we was flipping on each other, you can DM me for some good shit too, sister. You don't got to always critique me. Let's go with each other behind the scenes. I'm here to tell you that Rosa loves you. Me and Rosa had heated conversations about this. Me and Rosa, that's my good friend. But we don't agree on every single thing.

And we check each other. We had a heated conversation about it because her whole thing was, her whole thing is, at the age we at, we supposed to know better. My whole thing was, I said, you got to look at who Noriega is. This is a man, if you know hip-hop history, you know where Norie come from. You know he come from poverty. You know he come from a situation he built himself up out of this. And now this man who has been in the jail, this man who has been through the system,

is now realizing as an older man, I have the opportunity to take what I learned and be more positive. So let's give the brother space to grow and learn. Yes, that's all I wanted. And we're going to be progressive. We can't assume that he know what we know. I did. You know what I'm saying? I actually, like, I heard the allegations.

And let me just make something clear. Not taking up for Russell, because if he's guilty of things that he's guilty of, then I feel like he should face the consequences, right? There's no hands about it. But this man that they describe, I've never met. That's right. I have never seen this man.

Like, if you're going to say, and I'm not saying a crime should be forgiven or whatever, but if you bring up who I was at 18 years old, I'm not who this fucking guy is. I wouldn't hang out with that guy. My 43-year-old version ain't hanging out with the 18-year-old version of me. He's an asshole. You know what I'm saying?

He doesn't want to come home. This guy comes home to his family. So I tend not to do that to someone else. Right. You know what I'm saying? Why would I judge you

on who you was at 18? And you got to realize that I'm not making no excuses for anybody. But the culture was different back then. People would literally walk up to girls

and smack them in the ass. Women would literally do that to me in the office. I'd be getting a haircut, get up, bit the woman, go, BAM, smack her in the ass. I didn't know I was being Me Too'd. I didn't, I would've reported it. I would've gone to the table,

I would've said something. You understand what I'm saying? But that was, I'm not co-signing it, but what I'm saying is that was, it was more likely you to walk in and see somebody, one of the CEOs, somebody, their assistant sitting on their lap. That was kind of normal back then. Not cosigning it, not saying it was right, but seeing it wasn't abnormal.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing, that's what they talk about rape culture being normalized. It was so normal back then that we accepted it as okay. Right. And it's our job to grow and progress and change. And that's the thing

with cancel culture. The only thing, the thing that's bad about it is it's not giving people the chance to grow and progress. Like right now, sorry, like right now, right? I don't know if you follow Cam,

but Cam got this 29C, right? This girl from his building, she's following him, she's stalking him. We're all laughing at that. We're laughing. He's filming, he? This girl from his building, she's following him, she's stalking him. We're all laughing at that. Right? We're laughing. He's filming,

he's running away from her. Had that been a man, that wouldn't have been funny. Right, right. Had that been the other way around, him doing that to her, I could see someone calling the police.

But you know why? Which is why he's filming it. But you know why? And this is where our male privilege comes in. Because women, and this is something I've learned as I grow older When that happens to women they begin worked

Like when when dudes be stalking with like women when dude, you know When women get cackled and dudes be they get rejected dude Let me be getting violently assaulted and that's what it is like women go through that so much that bullshit happen in Harlem That shit in Harlem. You know what I'm saying? The community stood up in that instant. Like when she went to the liquor store? Yeah.

Oh, I see the after effect. I see it. What happened? Some dude tried to holler at her. She's like, nah, you know, I'm good. Then when she left, niggas beat her up. Yeah. Right?

Yeah, so women be going through that for so long that with men, like, and we've been social. Look, I just went through some shit recently with somebody saying some shit about what happened with me, when I went back to the situation, I'm like, if I had did that to a woman, that would have been rape, what this woman did to me. You know what I'm saying, but it happened when I was

in my early 20s in my career, we looked at it as some fly shit. So what happened, oh, a chick took advantage of you? Yeah, she just, I didn't look at it like that at that time. She didn't give me no ecstasy, but just the way in which she was coming at me, and the way in which she was like pressed about the shit, where I found myself hiding from this woman. You know what I'm saying? I told my friends I was some funny shit. But 20 years later, I'm like, well nah, that was sexual harassment.

You know what I'm saying? But I thought it was fly, Because I never had that cat calling. I never had that attention. I never had until I became a rapper. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. But we're, like, we got to figure, like, obviously.

It's a deep conversation. I think all of us know for a fact that rape culture, everything that we're talking about, none of us co-sign. None of us co-sign. I think what starts to get murky is the cancel culture side of it. Mm-hmm. Where it just, every, the society's become judge and jury, boom. Well how you draw out the baby with the bathwater,

how do you draw out everyone, and I'm not even gonna start naming names because I don't want nobody to get canceled. But let me just say, I'm not gonna get anyone here for that because we couldn't handle it like that because we was on Zoom. Zoom could get caught out,

you would get cut off when you trying to, this is not it, We here for this time. We here to have this great conversation. Okay, so let's break it down. Since you said we here to have this. Let me just ask you something. Let me just tell you something. What I just noticed.

They're trying to go and take Russell's shit off of all these, like his name with Tatsu. Harvey is. You can still watch a Miramax film. Of course. And his name's still on my top. His name's still on my top. His name's still on my top. You're not like the man, but you can't destroy the legacy. Yo, listen, his name still pops up, bro.

The other day, my Netflix wasn't working. My Prime Video wasn't working. My Hulu wasn't working, so I went back to cable. And I'm watching regular cable and telling shit. And I'm just randomly just throwing through movies and still seeing his name pop up on official cable companies. And you're not wrong,

but I think the thing we have to do as men is realize that because we teach our children this. We teach our children, well, just because he's doing it doesn't mean it's okay for you. So as men, we have to be like, okay, yeah, Harvey Weinstein exists

and Jeffrey Epstein exists, but just because they exist, we can't use whataboutism. We can't say whataboutism we can't say what about this we have to we have to own our shit so I think you came from a place where you didn't understand the ramifications I did not but now that you do I still don't actually understand fully because I'm looking at people reposting Russell Simmons that's a woman but here's the thing at him being Bali doing fucking you know Russell went to Bali and said not me yeah but what I'm saying is but even the women in proximity has not been he didn't

do it he has not been but he's not been he's not been charged but let me ask you this yeah just like you had to ask me about it now that you know with knowledge comes responsibility right you couldn't have me on the show without asking me right so now that you know if Russell was sitting in his chair you know you'd be asking him I I have to ask. You know what I would do? This would be my first time I had somebody ghostwrite my video, my interview. I would actually go let Rosa give me all the questions. You give me the questions.

That's what happened in that instance when he joined the Zoom. That should have been asked. And that's where I was going. You didn't do it because you didn't know. But had you known, the way for us to do it is, we can't say that Russell Simmons is not worthy to be in the conversation.

But if he is in the conversation, well, then we got to deal with it. The same way that you asked Karis One about Africa Bimbaba. I agree. Like, we're not going to not have Karis One, but we are going to ask

the hard question. You know what it was? I didn't realize that I'm also a journalist, too. That I wasn't being a journalist. I was being a Black Lives Matter. I was being a black person instead of being a journalist. I was being a Black Lives Matter. I was being a black person instead of being a journalist.

And I see Mark. Hey, go down. Because Mark is a journalist. Mark was like, Mark, he turned on the journalist. Mark turned me into the actor. He was like, yo, what was that?

I was like, yeah, yeah. I ain't going to lie. Soon as he hung up, I heard the tweet. It was like, Mark Lamar said he's not with this great jazz band. I'm like, what the fuck? And I had to deal they was like Mark Lamar said he's not with this I'm like what the fuck

and I had to deal with it but again sisters our culture people that really like you really know I love this culture you really know that you really know I'm coming from a place of almost stupidity if I culturally don't be appropriate

sometimes I'm coming from a place of stupidity not a straight stupidity. You shouldn't chastise me for every stupid move or for every move that you think. Sometimes you really need to just hit somebody and say, yo, listen, bro, you might not want to do that. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then you take it from there.

I had little Kim on my show. She talked about being a teenager when she dropped that album cover. The hardcore and how niggas in jail loved it everything right and she said she thought she was just having fun being a young lady and then see dolores tucker and them came and they were steamrolling her cds and she said something interesting she said i was just a child right why did this older black lady hit pull me to the side and give me some life advice i didn't know what i was doing but why did they attack me immediately doesn't that even The way you just said it right now made me even creepier, though,

that cover that she was a child. Like, whoever's... The imagery... But that was the culture back then. It was highly sexual shit going on. Like, people were openly talking about eating pussy and sucking dick and all this. This was when hip-hop was delivering. And it was a part of it. Like, watching this shit go down,

this super sexist shit going down. It was, we had, you guys in Miami, you had two live crews! But I don't think you could attack the lyrics per se. You think Luke got daughters? You think he was thinking of that now?

But you have to be careful. We can't attack the freedom of speech either and freedom to be creative. I don't know. To me, there's a fine line that starts to be. Let me just say, because Luke ended up running for office and Luke ended up doing positive things. Let me just say, it doesn't matter how sexy you are. It doesn't matter how sexy you are. It doesn't matter how sexual you are. Luke had two girls suck in, suck in,

and Jay-Z's left, and now he's like the mayor or some shit. No matter what ratchet shit you went to as a rapper, Luke is the only one who came on the show and said, you can't smoke. We don't even smoke it for the Luke. What the hell, pieces on camera. You end up being a conscious rapper. I'm sorry, call this, call this.

No matter what, I said if you get to a certain, you go, if rap is a video game, and you get to the boss, you get to the top, dude, if you survive all the shit of rap, you either become, even if you're not conscious of your lyrics, you become a conscious individual. Every gangster rapper, from Too Short to Nori, you know what I'm saying, everybody turns a new,

if you survive this shit, you'd be like, okay. Scarface everywhere. Yeah, man. You're right, you're right. I think you should make some noise for that. Yeah, absolutely. By the way, this is a good conversation because I actually don't know.

Which we may not be qualified for this conversation. We may not be qualified, but we need to have a woman in the conversation. Absolutely, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. In it, but, And that's what's interesting is when I look at Russell Simmons' thing

and I see that women support him. Some do. So that's why it's weird to me. It's like I said, it's one of those subjects where it's just in the air. I think it's about

personal responsibility. There's some women who like Russell didn't do nothing wrong. There's some women that's like he's a rapist. But it's about, we can't judge how we're going to behave

on how others. We have to look, you know, we have, Russell is Russell Simmons. That's Russell Rush. Like, we can't erase what he did in hip-hop. But, you know, he's just, I think because of what he did in hip-hop,

because of what he's done for the community, he deserves to have his voice heard. Now, what he says with his voice, we'll have to judge And I'm gonna tell people like this that I never said this story over. I think I never said this story But those women deserve that Definitely not publicly when that 197 shootout happened and they banned us they banned us immediately

They pulled every record from Capone and Noriega to Noriega to Thugged Out to The Firm. Whatever record I was on, they pulled it. They pulled it. You know who got me to get back on the radio? Who? It was Russell Simmons. Russell. Wow. He was there for me the time that I needed him. I gotta say the hardest conscious rapper

out now is Capone. Alright, cool. We can get back to that. And when it came time for me to show back that favor, I stood with the woman. I want to make that clear. I stood with the woman

because I... Well, I don't think it's mutually exclusive. I think you can show solidarity for women as to respect Russell's contributions to your life and to this culture. I tried to but when the comments was so real when they was and then and what they were doing was I felt

bad for our partners because they were blaming it on the title and Puff. They was like look at this Puff and Jay-Z puts Russell Simmons on Dreamcast. I was like, dude, you ain't got nothing to do with it. So it was crazy. And we were doing Hip Hop FX Uncovered with Big U, Bimmy. Right, I did that too. And he said the only part that they hated is that the studio made them take Russell Simmons out. He said, but they let us interview murderers.

That's crazy. That's crazy. He said, they let us interview murderers. That's crazy. He said, look at our records. Yeah, that's some other shit right there. That's some other shit. That's like that Dave Chappelle joke in Sticks and Stones where he's like, well, I'm not a nigger either. Is that shit? This is a deep conversation, man.

This is deep, man. I ain't even looking at my notes. Holy moly guacamole. You said you go above and beyond to This is a deep conversation, man. This is deep. I ain't even looking at my notes. Holy moly guacamole. Hold on, let me go. You said you go above and beyond to book more female guests. Yeah. What is it that you're doing? Give us an example.

Shout out to my team. Do you have MC Light? We haven't had Light on, but we've had a lot of female guests. Last week we had Dasha Polanco. Next week is Sunny Anderson. Sunny said to say what's up as well. That's my sister.

That's one of my favorite people in the well. That's my best one of all. Favorite people in the world. There was an argument on the squad because they kept booking really good guests. We had Busted and DMX and this and that. And I'm like, yo, I gave them a list of women to book. I'm like, make sure you get, I gave them a list of 10 women.

I said, your batting average needs to be 300. Book three of these women. And then months went by, we're getting dope guests, but they ain't getting none of them women. And I'm like, yo, if I'm not pushing to get women, we all as a team, our default is to just be comfortable

with the male talk. I think we need to balance and I think people like us who have the platforms, we got to fight for it. Yeah, we just got to fight for it. Right. And shout out to your co-hosts as well, Jasmine.

Shout out to Jasmine Lee, absolutely. Now, you worked on a low-end theory with Tribe Called Crest. Yeah, you were in the song show business. I rhymed on that song. Okay, you rhymed on it and produced the beat? No, I didn't produce it.

Oh, did you? Just Skaff Anson did that. Right, right. Skaff Anson on the boys. You should tell the story about how you got on that record. Okay, yeah, let's go. All right, so this is crazy, right?

I went down to the session to play some beats for Tip. For Tip? Yeah, yeah. You want any champagne? I feel bad over y'all. No, but you want some of this whiskey? I want you to drink this one. I'll have a little bit.

I'm going to be honest, Talia. I am not a whiskey guy. I'll try some. I like whiskey. I'm just mixing too much, but I'll try some. Where's my man? Where's my man? Mr. Lee. You said he's a whiskey drinker. Who. What's my man? What's my man? Mr. Lee.

You said he's a whiskey drinker. Who's the whiskey drinker? The dude who got me the Jameson. Yeah, Mr. Lee. So, show business, right? Okay, go ahead. Tribe Corps Quest. So, I go down to Battery Studios, and I'm trying to play tips and joints.

Um... Oh, so I'm drinking champagne. You gotta come on, man. I'm playing some joints. Black-O, baby. Black-O. Okay, okay. Come on, man. Black on, baby. Black on. Okay, okay. I didn't know that. That changed things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm playing tips and beats. At this point, Tip knew I had a deal for the Stunt Plus and Hip Hop album. We would see each other up at Jazzy J's studio up in the Bronx.

So anyway, I'm down there playing beats for him. And Lord Jamar and Sadatex, they show up. They do their verses, right? Well, the first time they made their verse, Poo-Bop was there. I wasn't there the first time. But anyway, what happened was Poo-Bah, his verse, you know, he was talking about gays and, you know,

just keeping it a buck, you know, he's a five percenter, so you already know their stance. So Ja was like, alright, listen, we love Poo-Bah. You know, ask him to write a new verse. Poo-Bah was like, what? You're dead on that. So he didn't want to write a new verse. Poo-Bah, what? You're dead on that. So he didn't want

to write a new verse. Poop was on Electro. They was on Electro at that time? He was on Electro. Okay. But this is on, this is on

Trap or Quest album. I know, I know, but you said Jive was saying that. Oh yeah, Jive. So, so when I showed up

to play, play some beats, some beats, he was like, yo, you want to jump on this song? All right.

I was like, hell yeah. You know what I mean? So that, like me being on that, on that album kind of set on this song? Right. I was like, hell yeah. You know what I mean? So that, like, me being on that album kind of set up my album. Right. You know, because The Low End Theory came out maybe a few months

before Stunt's Bloods and Hip Hop. Right. You know what I mean? But shit, how many MCs rhymed on the Tribe album? Right, right. You know what I mean? I did. I did.

I did. Yeah, shit. Word up. It's only a handful of us. That's right. And we were right here At this table That's crazy

You know what's crazy I watched the documentary The other day And I cried Like I never saw it again The tribe doc The tribe doc It's really good

Because When I saw him And Q-Tip argue I actually called Capone I didn't tell him Why I was calling him I was like Yo you know

I just want you to know I love you bro And he was like Huh Because it's just weird I just want you to know I love you, bro. And he was like, huh? Because it's just weird. I just love you. Because I related to Q-Tip and Fight. And Fight.

They both was making sense. Yeah, I was both with him at one point. I was like, oh, shit, he's right. But then the other one would say something. I was like, how is he right, too? I'm like, yo. That's real brotherhood shit right there. That's real shit.

That's real brotherhood shit. So I looked and I was like, wow, that's real shit. So I looked and I was like, wow. And it's crazy because I think the most slept on tool in hip hop is the hip hop documentary. Like since Rhyme and Reason. Rob and Reason, ew. I watched Rhyme and Reason twice a year just to make sure my mom right. Yes, yes, yes. You know what I'm saying?

And, hey, you better slow down over there. Don't slow down over there, man. You know what I'm saying? They ain't help me drink the champagne, so, you know, you got all of them

brothers helping you, bro. You know? But I think that's the most slept on the hip-hop documentary. Like, I would love to see a black star. I would want to go

to a black star documentary more than I want a black star I would love to see a Black star. I would want to go to a Black star documentary more than I want a Black star album. And I want a Black star album. I've never made a film before in my life. But after we do this, I'm going to show y'all the 10-minute rough of the Black star documentary that I've been working on for the last two years. Wow. The last two years? The last two years.

Okay, wow. Some of that shit's been filmed on my iPhone, but I'm just getting it. That's going to be great. First, the documentary is my favorite style to film. Because I feel like I'm being entertained and learning something at the same time. But yeah, that is it. I'm into that. Yeah, I was on the Tribe album because I went to the Afropunk.

Q-Tip was in Brooklyn to see Ice Cube perform. He was performing at Afropunk a couple blocks from where I stayed at. You see how legendary he just said that? And Q-Tip and me had decided we were going to work on a record. We've been talking about this song. You know how tip is. Talking about a record for two years. I'm trying to get this record. Fife passed away. And so in my mind,

I'm like, fuck that record. I'm never asking for that record again. If I hit bro, it's just to on some just what's up. You know what I'm like, fuck that record. I'm never asking for that record again. Like, if I hit bro, it's just to, on some, just, what's up? You know what I'm saying? Because, like, the friendships and the brotherhood is more important than us getting in the studio. Right. And when I seen him, it was the first time I seen him since Fife Pass. Wow.

And I'm like, you know what I'm saying? And he's like, yo, what happened to that song? We want to do the song. I was like, hey, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, we could do the song, but he invited me over to Crib. When I went over to Crib, it's him and Jerobe there, and they listening to songs him and Phife did that nobody had heard.

Wow. And they listening to Tip's mixing records. He's like, yeah, I'm dropping a Tropical Quest album. And I was like, yo, would you mind if I just came through? Oh, you're on the last album? I'm on the last album. I just came through his house every day to watch him work on his album. That was incredible.

I got to brag, too. You on the Beats, Rob's, and Life. Beats, Rob's, and Life. Just give me. Just give me. That shit. But yeah, man, it's one of my proudest moments. And they paid me.

I was like, you get paid? I was like, I'm not supposed to. I just want to get paid. This is his job. That was a good move when you was. Because that was. Beats, Robhymes, and Life is an underrated

T.R.O.B. album but the connection the Queens connection and the connection they made between the Nori side of Queens the CNN side of Queens

and the T.R.O.B. Corquest side of Queens was very important for the culture at that time because it wasn't until later I'm going to tell you

something when Pfeiffer's heard Nori know this and Nori know that and Nori know Jack, he didn't really feel me at first. He was just like, yo, you kind of jacked my whole shit. Phife competitive.

Yeah, he's Phife competitive. And the other connection to that album is the guy who created our logo, Scam, who did that album cover. Wow. What? On the one I'm on or? Beats Rhyme and Life. Oh, OK.

Oh, OK, yeah. Wait, is he on Beats Rhyme and Life or Love Movement? He's on Love Movement. I think it's Love Movement. Now I'm thinking about it. Yeah, yeah, from life a love movement we don't love nothing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that was just this just why is white I'm covered yes that's love moving yep yeah when when when when you watch the documentary like that diamond D and all the relationships and and ups and downs did you see like I'm going to tell you something that's going to make me sound very, very, very naive. I didn't really see Fife look that sick.

Like, I saw him. Did you notice that in real life? Nah, like, whenever I saw Fife, I never really saw him sick. Right. Was you living in Atlanta the same time he was there? Yeah, I saw him. I was seeing him down there. Really?

But you know, when you're sick, you don't come outside. So if he's outside, he's Fife. Right. But you know, most people who are sick on that level, when they're sick, they stay indoors. Right. You know what I mean? You don't want to come around and people treat you like a pity case.

Right. Because I didn't see the same thing with Punn. The people who said there were signs. The only thing I seen a sign with Pun was. Maybe he got bigger. But that didn't even make me a sign. I didn't even notice. Okay.

Because he was just, I just always met him as a big guy. Right, right. One of the signs I did notice was bad for a TV video shoot. I remember me talking and we just kicking it. And he just went into sleep. And he just started snoring. Oh, wow. So I thought my story was trash.

Like, I didn't know. I was like, really? He stepped my game up. He suspected the shit out of you. I put the guy into his sleep. The man fell asleep on me, and it wasn't until later on when it was like,

yo, that's that narcolepsy thing. But I didn't know. I mean, even down to the funeral, they gave everybody a certain amount of time to go to the casket. And I sat there, and I sat down. I guess I got in a praying stance. I don't even know how I got there.

And I kept crying, and I remember the people from TS like, yo, he's in a better place. I was like, how is he in a better place? They was like, he's not suffering. I'm like, suffering? They're like, yeah, no, you ain't know. And I didn't see pun suffer. Is that me being naive?

Or... You didn't see. Okay. No, you probably wasn't around him like that either. Right, right. And maybe he didn't show that side of himself to you. Right. It's like what he said. If you felt bad, he probably didn't come out. And you saw him when he felt better. Now, what's up with

Lord Finesse? Lord Finesse? Yeah. Oh, man, that's my brother. Right. Finesse, he just put out an album. He just remixed a bunch of Motown records. Wow. And that's incredible.

Finesse, he's also, he's out there on the West Coast. You know, he running around with your man, Russell Peters. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. You know, he do his thing. He still DJing.

I'm trying to get Finesse to make another MC album. Wow. Wow. That would be tough. You know what I just found out the other day? Cameron literally told me this yesterday. He said, you can go to the label right now and hit them with that. Yo, nobody wants to be a master and own a master at this point, right?

So let's negotiate to get our masters back, to get our back. He said, if they say no, it's a legal law that you can go in and do your old album. He said eight years statute of limitation on that. Have you heard of this? To do your album over? You can do your whole album over and put it out as the same shit. That's the first I ever limitation on that. Have you heard of this? To do your album over? You could do your whole album over and put it out

as the same shit. That's the first I ever heard of it. Hannibal Buress did that. The comedian? Yeah, he did that. He had an album that he sold the rights

to early in his career. Then he blew up and he went back to the dude and he said, listen, I got this amount of money. Give me the rights

of my album back. The dude was like, nah, that's too valuable. So he just went and did the whole set over. Recorded it over at a comedy club. Joke for joke and put it out himself And this I was your phone no

We just saw him at the bar we just saw the picture he was already drinking but I could see how he was drinking to the killer I said he's gonna be finnish oh he's getting arrested tonight yeah yeah I kind of knew it he he is sober since then really don't drink no more since that since that was like you're like drunk Hannibal bro that is a great guy when he's drunk drunk, oh my God, he's good. Fun to hang out with. Let me qualify, because he did say this to me. Because I said, you sober now?

He said, listen, I just don't drink. Oh, he does. He does. Yeah, that's real. That's real. Holy moly guacamole. Yo, I want to ask you, how long you had this studio in Midtown, Manhattan? I came here like once or twice.

Seven, eight years. And that shit, that was like my best, worst investment. This is a 20 or 25 to life shit? Nah, this is mine. It's all thugged out. All monster. Nice location. Yeah, I had the best location. We didn't have the best equipment.

We didn't have the best anything else. Just the best location. And just a futon in that moment. We had a futon. But Mariah Carey was there. What I noticed was back then was people didn't want to come see me in Queens because they just thought that whatever part of Queens he's from,

it got to be bad. Midtown? Which was not right. Which was not the truth. Then when I went, I had one in Jersey. I had a studio in Jersey. People didn't want to travel. They felt like Jersey was out of town.

And I had my joint house in Weehawken, which was like the next town. But no one could convince them. But when I got to Hood Lad, it was on 32nd and Madison, between 31st and 32nd and Madison. It was the perfect location. Everyone from my Raya Carrey,

to Diamond D, to Big Tigger, to EFN. Everybody would go because their hotels is 10 minutes away. Everyone's there. That's why the rent is high over there. Exactly. Now, you was our hotel. We stayed in the same thing. It was dope because at the time,

they didn't look at me as a person that's going to send an invoice. So, if I were to put Nori Studios, because I had to send invoices for people booking sessions. I literally paid myself to record my own album at my own studio. But they wouldn't give me the money like Homeboy Exchange. I had to literally make a studio session, log saying, and then present Def Jam with a joint. So that's the reason why we called it The Hood Lab

instead of like Nori Studio. But yeah, it was a great investment. I should have actually made it a real studio where, you know, other people could rent it out.

Because if you didn't know me, you wouldn't rent this shit out. Like, listen to me. The Hood Lab. What's her name? Evie Queen. The reggaeton artist, Evie Queen. So she came to record.

She came to record. And we were like foul niggas. We were foul niggas. Let's just be clear. Our maid was fired indefinitely, forever. I'm talking about we didn't mob. We didn't do none of that. And Evie Queen.

She was hella dirty. But it was a vibe, though. You would go there and make five, six records because we had a vibe. But we didn't really clean. We cleaned once, maybe twice a month. Twice a month? Yeah, I mean, it just had to vibe.

I was trying to make D&D. Right, right. I was just about to say it sounded like D&D. With less equipment. With less equipment, yes, yes. Like, we would have the NBC with the NBC box on it. Like, it came in. Like, you know, usually somebody will buy a table.

No. We just kept the box that came on the NBC. And why not? box on it. Right. It came in, like you know usually somebody will buy a table, no. We just kept the box that came on the NBC. And why not? So, to get back to this story, Evie Queen is starting to record and in the room that she recorded in we had carpet. But she walks out of the room that we recorded in and without her shoes on, I was like, no! Please don't put your shoes back on! We got mice!

We got little critters here! I don't want them to jump on your foot. She was like, what about me from the ghetto? I was like, this might be worse than the ghetto, but for real, there might be heroin things on the floor. Mice on Madison. You got to be on your own Madison.

So each year, the rent got higher and higher, but it was dope for me to learn this experience. So what's your favorite part of hip hop? Is it making a record, performing a record? Everything. Everything. But as a producer, creating something out of nothing. Right.

You know what I mean? That's the dopest feeling for me. What about you? The fact that black people, marginalized people, people who come from nothing, could take art and create a megaphone to broadcast what we experience globally. Right. I think it's fly. Yeah, I like that, too.

Yeah, I like how you worded that. I like that too yeah i like how you already did i like you know we're doing better than that no i don't know you you know this era i remember we used to have to wait for our albums to come out in in england like they would literally come out two months later the uk version yeah and then every uk version and now the fact that you can just make an album and that shit can be in Japan the same day it's in 40 projects and it can be in same day it's in Brooklyn.

Get them booking agents up. Yeah, it can be in Osaka and all that. I think that... Did you think... What do y'all think about streaming though? Man, I've been having

this conversation all month. It's a complex one. Really? Yeah, man, because... Yeah, man, like people, yeah, man, like, because this NFT shit is popping off right now.

NFT, right? That shit is new. That shit's popping off right now. We could sell a picture of us right now off a picture of us and that could be worth $6,000.

Yeah, it's digital art. If we get with the right people, get with the right team, we could sell it and become millionaires. Right. Possibly. And get the royalties

as it gets resold, which is a different thing. So now you have a situation where streaming was always unfair. The price point is unfair. But if you create something, you get to create the price point, just like any business. But the thing that makes it the most unfair is that we don't get to see. With Apple, we get to see.

But with Tidal, Spotify, we don't get to see. You think you get to see with Apple. You think you get to see. But you really don't, right? Right, right. We don't get to see but with Tidal, Spotify, we don't get to see. You think you get to see with Apple. You think you get to see. But you really don't, right? Right, right. We don't get to see the whole shit.

So it's like they telling us, look, this is your percentage but they're not telling us what they making. Right. They're not telling us, you know, and that's the whole problem

with it is that it's not transparent. We making pieces of a penny for each stream. Terrible. You saw that joke on the ground. I did. I saw that jump. A million streams. I did.

I reposted it. But the problem is that you have to make a decision as a businessman and a creator. Are you a populist who wants the people to hear whatever you got to hear? Or are you only in it for your bread and you don't care if a small elite group of people hear it? Because if you're a populist, then you're going to work within the system. 90% of music consumers are getting their shit from Spotify. So if you're a populist,

you want your shit on Spotify. You want people to hear it. They not, you know what I'm saying? But if you just, if that's not important to you, well then you could just make your shit exclusive and only a certain people, you know, Rock Martiano, certain people, certain artists have figured it out. Right.

Have made it to where Nipsey figured it out. Yeah. You know, you could follow their example, but that's where the conflict is for artists right now. It's like, do you sell your soul so that the masses can hear your shit? Or do you keep it more to your more exclusive or finding that balance or find a balance

where you utilize what's there now but you're always working towards getting away from that like a strange music where they found that the physical

great example side they've been able to sell physical like no other label has today yeah to where as Tech N9ne is number three

on the Forbes list in terms of touring income. Right. But then pandemics hit and that's the type of things that affect some of the stars. Speaking of that, have that affected your bag

as far as not being able to do shows? Has that been affected for you? Because I know big overseas, big overseas. I mean, for me, it annihilated my business. Wow. Because my entire business model

was based around touring. I'm very... I just stopped having my shit based around touring a year ago. Right on time, right? Yeah, right on time. So I'm very blessed

that I found certain situations and I figured some shit out. And you know what I'm saying? Like, to where as I can still... I just... A good opportunity for me to plug my book. I had a book deal I figured some shit out. And you know what I'm saying? Like, to where as I could still, I just, a good opportunity for me to plug my book. I had a book deal.

I wrote my book. I've been trying to get the book out, but when the pandemic hit, I focused on that. I was like, okay, let me focus on getting the book. It's a book, it's called Vibrate Higher.

Vibrate Higher? I got my copy. You got your copy? It's out already then. It's out. It's getting rave reviews it's it's my

my autobiography mixed in with social commentary and the history of the hip hop I was listening to at the time wow wow let's make some noise for that god damn

thank you so I've been you know but it's it's been very people don't like to hear artists or celebrities complain

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iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, Diamond, you worked with 45 King back in the day. Right. How was that? I never got to work with him. As a producer, I always kind of admired it. I never got

a chance. How was that? I was experiencing with you With the 45 King. Yeah You know like I was a fan like, you know, he from the Bronx but at that time I didn't know but Shouts out the mark, you know mark is the one In the early 90s Russell Simmons had a thing called RPM, Rush Producers Management. Easy Mo B was over there. There was a few other producers over there.

A lot of professors was over there. And, you know, 45 King, he made a phone call, and he set up a meeting with me over there. This is when Francesca Spiro was over there. Wow, wow. And they wound up signing me. So, you know, he had a big hand, like, in my early production career. Him.

And shout out to my man, DJ Jazzy J, of course. He's the one who, like, taught me the foundations of production. You want to do a shot? I'll do a shot. I'll do a shot. How about Showbiz and A.G.? How was it working with them? Who?

Showbiz and A.G. Come on, you know, we grew up with each. Come on, you know, we be in showbiz, we grew up with each other. I know, you're family. So, you know, we're just family. We need them up here too. That was a tough album. Right, right, right. You made that whole album?

Oh, nah, nah. I co-produced Can I Get a Soul Clap? Oh! Me and Showbiz, we both did that joint. Okay, okay. So that was like one of their first big joints. Then they went on and do other great things.

You know what I mean? Did you think like hip-hop and how pure it was, you think that now that we would have an artist like Cardi B like doing like,

I think she did 100 million the other day or she's the first. Bro, some crazy. I mean, she's the first female artist. Shouts out to Cardi B. From the Bronx. but it's like it's it's dope it's dope i i i i personally love

cardi b but it's so different it was back then you already know knowing like in the 90s it was just lyricism was like really taken seriously right everybody got their shots ready i mean you got your shot to outlet i'm gonna do a shot of what I already got. Okay, cool, cool, cool, very smart. You learned from Drink Champ's lesson? I did. Salute your list. We don't know if y'all know, but this is about, you know, in this business, it's about giving the people these flowers to they face. You know, you guys are two of greats.

I can't believe how, I can't wait to hear how this album sound. Can't wait to read the book. Can't wait that you keep supporting. That's what we do over here. We support each other man. You know I'm saying as you can see I got my DJ college jacket on Make sure y'all check out organic food Kings From organic organic food kids. I'm gonna tell when I was a vegan shit organic food kids They. At Organic Food Kings. No, I'm going to tell you, when I was... Vegan shit.

Organic Food Kings, they said, come through, we're going to take care of you. So I was like, I got to go through because they showed me so much love. I went through, but the thing was, I was on my way to the airport. And I was like, I don't want to eat vegan food in the car. Did it make you shit? Are you thinking vegan shit? No, I don't want to eat vegan food in the car with the mask and shit on the way to the airport. And I'm like, it's not going to be good when I get to the airport.

And I was like, I'm going to go anyway. And I went anyway. Got the shit. And ate the shit to the airport, and I'm like, it's not going to be good when I get to the airport, and I was like, I'm going to go anyway, and I went anyway. Got the shit, and ate the shit at the airport. And the shit was wild good. Was you farting? Was you farting? No, I wasn't farting. Oh, all right.

Cool, that's what I'm talking about. Don't fart. Don't fart. Oh, the two drink chants question. Was you farting? Yeah, there's no fart vegan food, you know, because a lot of vegan food make you be fart. I don't even know. Hey. Bro, look, you ever's no fart vegan food. You know, because a lot of vegan food make you be fart.

I don't even know. Hey. Bro, look, you ever fuck with vegan food up top? A little bit, yeah. You doing? Ah, man, fucking around, man. Not as deep as my man right here. Yeah, yeah.

You be fart, huh? Yeah, sometimes I be farting. I be farting a lot. Sometimes I be farting. This interview is ridiculous. This interview is going off the rails. Hey, man. Hey, man.

Sometimes it's a good, healthy fart. You got to, hey. Sometimes? Is that what the song was about? Yeah, sometimes you got to fart. Sometimes you got to fart and break. Sometimes, sometimes you got to fart and lay. You know what I'm saying?

It happens, man. It happens, man. Oh, let me finish the rest of the clip. D, you got to talk a little bit about Big L and the legacy of Big L and working with Big L. I feel like we don't talk enough about Big L. I mean, you know, Big L definitely was on his way to being one of the greatest. I think, yeah, man.

People already look at him that way, and he's been dead all these years, you know what I mean? Especially that one freestyle session he had with Jay-Z on the Stretch Armstrong show. Stretch and Barbita, yeah. He kind of handled Jay-Z up there. Wow. And then he was supposed to be signed to Rockefeller. Yeah, you know what I mean?

So, I mean, what can you say? You know, Lamont, definitely one of the best lifestyles of the... Foreign Dangerous. Dangerous, right. Then the second album, The Big Picture, that wound up going gold. He wasn't even here to see that. And all the indie stuff he did. Was Big L like the first street, when the streets, no, Scott LaRock was.

When the streets got involved with a rapper killing. But I was about to add, let me correct myself. I think Scott LaRock was the first one. That was a D-Nice beef. He went over here to squash it. Wow. Yeah. Who, Big L? No, Scott LaRock. Oh. Scott LaRock was the first one. Oh yeah, that was a D-Nice beef. He went over here to squash it. Wow. Yeah. Who, Big L?

Nah, Scott LaRock. Oh. Scott LaRock. It was a, I think you said a D-Nice beef. Beef, yeah. I think you said a D-Nice beat. That's why I'm like, really? Scott LaRock, that was a DJ D-Nice beef.

Really? I've never heard of this. You would like to talk about that? Nah, I think I've seen this somewhere. Evidently, he went over there to try to squash it. Word. He was a social worker. He was doing some crazy dope shit in the community.

Scott LaRock. Wow. But he's still in the hood like that. But definitely, Big L, definitely going too soon. Right. What was your favorite Big L joint? If you had to pick one. I ain't going to lie.

I've got to pick them all. I've never heard a Big L record. I've never to pick one. I ain't gonna lie, I gotta pick them all. I've never heard a Rack Big L record. I've never heard a, excuse me, let me go deeper than that. I've never heard a Rack Big L verse. Okay. I've never heard a verse where he just, my favorite moment was I didn't even know he knew who I was.

Okay. And I said this on the Cam interview the other day, he was like, yo, L you fell back, it seemed like you wasn't rapping. He's like, wasn't inspired until cam nori and dmx and i was like this nigga said nori he's a herald to me like i still be bugging out like when a person like you know uh shack we're like what up nori like what you know who i am like you know because i i just i downplayed myself. But that was my favorite moment. He had rhymed right before that.

And just the fact that he had recognized me because I don't think he understood how much I admired him. You know what I mean? So, like, I never expect a person I'm a fan of to be a fan of me. You know what I'm saying? But it doesn't take away. We need this. It doesn't take away. Like, if I find out you're not a fan, I'll be like, all right, it's cool.

You know, I still respect you. Right respect you. You know what I'm saying? Alright, now let me switch the subject a little bit, right? One of my favorite rappers of all time is this guy named Granddaddy IU, right? Granddaddy IU, that's one of my number ones, right? But I never wanted to sound like Granddaddy IU. Why are these, why is everybody right now, you could say, yo, a new kid could come out and his name could be Smoke Chan, and he could say, yo, who's your favorite artist? You go, I like Future.

And we could be like, we know, because we hear Future all in the shit. Yo, real quick, didn't you just post something with Granddaddy IU? Yeah, I did, I did. But I want to, but get it, Noah. No, no, no, no, no. I'll come back to that.

Okay, okay, yeah, I'll come back to that. But why is these guys actually sounding like the people that they admire and things like that? What is going on with this culture? What do you think? I think that hip-hop at some point, like every art form that because mainstream started being made on assembly line type of thing. And to where as they like, okay, especially when the radio station started being owned by certain corporations.

Owning it across the country. Yeah, across the country. You went from regional DJs and program directors having power to the point where it's like, well, you got to follow the playlist handed down from Nashville. No more regional sounds, no more city sounds. None of that. So yeah, it just becomes a contest to see who makes the most whoppers.

Yeah, cookie cutter shit. Yeah, and I think that, so kids who grew up listening to music like that, we grew up in an era where we heard different influences. Or you can't, or like if you're somebody who traveled, you went from New York to Miami, it's a whole different sound. Right. And so you were able to, do you remember when like Uncle Luke used to come to New York, it was a party.

He used to hang out with Red Alert and Funk Flex and all them. And it was a whole, it was like Uncle Luke's in town. We're going to do this Miami thing. But it was like definitely a different thing. And I think the culture is missing sort of that respect for different, what I will say, indigenous sounds. And I think that that's the whole problem. So kids who are growing up these days, just like how we grew up, we grew up wanting to be successful. And we looked at our favorite artists and said, that's how you do it?

Okay. To be different, to be creative. That was the blueprint of success that was being taught to us. Now success is you just copy the next nigga. Right. They look at that and say, okay, that's working. There was an era when I came into business where business where this mad fake drink champs out there That's big them

What I noticed the shift was people stopped wanting to be dope MCs and dope DJs. Puff was killing it. Right. People stopped wanting to be dope MCs. You would run into a motherfucker who loved hip-hop. He'd be like, what you do, you DJ? He said, no, I'm a CEO. I'm an executive.

People wanted to be record executives, industry people. And that was different for me. I never wanted to be a record industry person. But now that's a thing that somebody wants to be. Oh, I want to be a mogul. I want to be, there ain't nothing wrong with that. But it just, that shifted.

And so now kids, they see what's going on. They just want to be like this certain artist. And why wouldn't they want to be like that? That's obviously a path to success. They don't get the real though. They don't know that that's a once in a lifetime thing. They don't know that one out of a million make it. they don't know that one out of a million make it they don't know that so it becomes copies all right your shout out to the legend jerobo who just

now now dominic has there ever been a time you know you come from the no commercial commercial era like y'all motherfuckers was making the hard... It was right to be on the radio. I mean, do we all not remember this era? It was kind of, yeah. Crossover? EPMD? Like, you're not supposed to be on the radio. Has there ever been a time a record label came to you and said,

yo, I want a crossover record? And if so, did you ever do it? Probably the closest I came to that was the Black Panther soundtrack, that song Freedom. Had all the top female artists singing on it. Oh really? Pull this up, Haskins. Pull this up. I want to see if you win commercial,

I'm trying to check you out. Oh, I mean, nah, I mean, I would. You know what I mean? I'm a black. I know a commercial too, baby. You got to go in the business, you know what I mean? You don't want to, plus, if you're a producer, you don't want to be pigeonholed into commercial DJ. You're doing your business. You know what I mean? You don't want to push. If you're a producer, you don't want to be pigeonholing to one thing.

Right. Right. Doing yourself a disservice. You know how they say it's a premiere sound. Do you feel like Diamond D has a sound? Is there a certain sound to Diamond D? Some would say I do, but I don't know. You don't think you do?

In certain instances, I do. I feel like you have a sound. You listen to the Diamond Piece albums Right I mean There's a It's fluid But every joint is different

I gotta say though I can't I can't pick a Diamond D beat You can't listen to a beat And say Diamond D beat You can't pick it up Nah I mean If you tell me Diamond Made

And I'm like okay That makes sense But even with this Gotham album There's so many different Textures and sounds And flavors That I'm not like It's not like I hear a beat and I'm like, oh, that's definitely a Diamond D beat.

Right, right. Like how Pharrell and like Premiere, like you hear a Pharrell beat, you know. But it's not bad to be able to do that. Oh, that's ill. That's ill. It's not wrong having a signature sound. But it's also ill having a signature sound too. It's also ill because like.

It's not wrong with it. Because everybody has this run when you're a producer where it's like, I'm sure I'm now a producer might be able to do it like premier You could you could answer this question better for me or Pete Rock or somebody might say be like that's a diamond dp Well, I mean they make here might be trained, but I can't do you know they might know the sounds usually you Maybe they know the snares you use. You know it's crazy that Jerobe just came in, didn't I just say? I just watched a documentary on the red and green. And then he just leans back and then he shoots.

You know, no, no, no, that's just fucking me up. I just brought this up, I had no idea he was coming through. I just brought it up. I just, and shit, we gonna bring you in, bro. Fuck it, but I might as well. Quick time of slide? gonna bring you in, bro. Fuck it, my brother's well, but, um. Oh, yeah, quick time, I'll slide, I'll kill it. Y'all ready? Alright, so we're gonna do this real quick, then we're gonna bring Jerobe in.

What are we gonna do? Quick time, we'll slide. It's an A and B answer. But, if you wanna say both, it's cool. You just gotta take a shot. If you say both, you gotta take a shot. If you wanna be political, you gotta take the shot. If you wanna be political, just gotta take a shot if you say both you gotta take a shot you gotta take the shot you gotta take this out you want to be political you gotta take the shot all right

first year but this is a jay-z or Nas yeah jay-z oh I'm taking a shot. Take a shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that. I like that. Hey, man. Oh, listen. Take that, and then just fill yourself up again, because I just know this is.

Oh, you know? Oh, you know? Yeah. You don't got to make yourself a crazy shot. You think you know me, huh? I think so. I think so. I think it might.

Oh, no, no, no. I'm not sure what diamond going with it. I'll be in solidarity with you. But, but Nas' ether was better. Okay, okay, I respect that. No doubt. Hold on, no caviats, no caviats. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

All right, you ready? I'm starting with you, I'm starting with you. Okay, okay. Big L, big pun. Ooh. I'm gonna take a shot with you after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna put that in.

I got to put my game face on for this. I think, I think... Hold on, we need to ask time? Yeah, hold on, hold on. I want a king. Big L or big pun? I want to mess up here. Taking a shot?

Just take the shot, man. There's something wrong with it, right? Big Bun's rhymes, to me, were a little more... His rhyme scheme was a little more intricate. Doesn't mean that he was better or not, but his rhyme was just, you know, a little more intricate, in my opinion, than Big L at that time. Okay.

I mean, they both giants, but that's my answer. I don't know what that answer mean. Hold on. He saying big punch, I would assume. Oh, he saying big punch. All right, cool, cool. I would say big punch. Okay, all right, cool.

I'm taking it. Only because of his rhyme structure. Okay. Diamond keeps his rhyme structure. All right, all right, I'm taking a shot. We use C's, right? We Diamond keeps it real. His rhyme structure. All right, all right. I'm taking a shot, I'm taking a shot. We in C's, right? We keep it in real.

I'm about to walk out here fucked up and miss my gig like I did last time I did Trisha. I don't do that. We don't fuck up your bag right now. You need to take your shot because I'm starting with you in this one. All right, all right, all right. All right.

I'm going to start having to fucking answer these questions. Kanye or Premier? In terms of what? Production. Yeah, production. They only in one category. In terms of what? Production. Production. They only in one category. In terms of just production. Just production.

Just straight production. Just straight production. Premier. Okay, that's good. Premier. Okay. Let me get that lighter. Mos Def or Common?

Who you asking that to? Both of y'all niggas. In terms of what? I thought you was down to like, in terms of what, like acting skill? What you talking about? We talking about acting, right? In terms of acting skill? No, no. We talking about

MC. MC. MC. Yo, Common is an MC motherfucker. Of course. And so is Mos Def. I've watched that motherfucker. Damn, that's a good pair. Mos Def on the Dave Chappelle riding through Brooklyn. I think it was Brooklyn.

That's a good pair. Don't push me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the power of deceit. So listen, you got to be careful. That's a good pair, but they're totally different styles. I'm going to teach you how to answer

and still be politically correct. I need to hear this. I'm going to answer. I'm satisfied. I'm going to teach you how to answer and still be politically correct. Oh, I need to hear this. Let's see. I'm going to answer and still be politically correct. And if I'm satisfied, I'm going to take a shot for you. But if not, you got to take a shot. No, but I'm going to give an answer. Okay, let's go.

Right? I'm going to pick most deaf. You should have. And that's all I got to say. You got to do that. That's good. Comment. Okay, I can see that I did not. That's good. That's good. That's good. That's good. That's good. That's good. What's that?

Comment. Comment. OK. I can see that. All right. This is going to be crazy. Look, Jeroby doesn't even know he was here. Midnight Marauders or Low End Theory?

Ooh. Shot time. Jeroby got to leave the room. Jeroby got to answer the room. Jerobe got to answer the question too. No, no, no, we don't want your answer because then it's going to be... Because we're having a real deep hip hop discussion. We need his answer too. In terms of what?

After. It's just... Album. Album. Yeah, it's good. A raw. Quick Rhyme and Slammish doesn't have much deep... I really want

I really want Jerobe's answer after we're going to get his after but we don't want him to fuck up your opinion so we want to hear yours first remember

you can go both I'll drink with you I'm going to say Midnight Marauder as a producer Midnight Marauder. As a producer, Midnight Marauder. Okay. Definitely, you just heard the progression in the production.

That was hard. That was hard, by the way. That was hard. Turn the camera to Jerobe. He's, I mean, he's right, right? But my favorite is Lola Kirby. That's why I just said her. Wow. Let's make some noise for that's the finest emergency. Wow.

Let's make some noise for that. God damn it. I'm going to take a shot just for that. The emergency fight door. All right. But it's like Godfather and Godfather II. There is no Midnight Marauders without Low and Theory or without people sustaining. Okay.

Miami or LA? Either one of y'all can go. Miami. That's easy. Yeah, I was about to say, there's a lot of Miami motherfuckers in here. I mean, I didn't even tell you about that, John, that's how I feel. Also that.

They both said Miami. Now this one right here, I'm up in the air. Independent or major? Independent. Independent. You losing these, man. We have this independent versus major debate. Oh, I'm a major guy. And I'm not talking major debate. Oh, I'm a major guy.

Me and him. And I'm not talking independent. Tell me why you're a major guy. Because I'm lazy to a certain extent. That's real shit. That's real shit. That's not a real argument. Because sometimes you just need a good partner to handle the business.

Yeah. I get that. Yeah, you know, I just love that. But let's get out of Quick Time and Slime and then we'll come back. Oh, okay. It's not going to be good for you. Get out a quick time of slime and then we'll come back. Oh, okay. It's not going to be good for you. Buckwild or large pro?

Oh, man. Take the shot? Take the shot. I'm going to take the shot. Take the shot. I think you're taking the shot, too. I feel like you're taking the shot, too. That's hard to pick.

I'm going with Large Pro. Okay. Oh, okay. I'm going Large Pro, not because all respect due to the great, the great legendary Buckwild. Yeah. Legendary.

But for me personally, you know, sometimes you have a personal relationship with Art. What Large Professor did for me personally with that Breaking the Atoms album. Wow. I was living Atoms album. Wow. I was living with that album. Wow. It was a personal thing. You felt like he made it for you.

It was a personal thing. Okay, I respect that. You shouldn't take a shot for that. All right. Back to Brooklyn. Little Kim or Foxy Brown? I think someone had that already. It was just woman power, remember.

Woman power. Woman power. Wait, no, no, no. This is tequila? Oh, that's not. OK, I'm in. I'll take this shot. Yeah.

I'm interested to hear what you're going to say. Little Kim or Foxy Brown? Another shot? Because that's your old shot. Yo, I'm taking this game. I'm playing this game with my friends. Just credit us a little bit. I like Foxy a little more.

Okay, I respect that. Big you up, sis. 4-5 King or Showbiz? You asking me? Yeah, you asking you. Yeah. I'm going with Show, 45 King. Okay.

Just because of that Godfather analogy I made earlier. Mm, okay. One can't come without the other. Right. Where we going, Diamond? Drinking whiskey? Yeah, you might as well. This segment was

responsible. All right, all right, all right. Because they both made joints that only they could have made. I can't really answer that. Yeah, my boy Breon. I'll be pulling up.

All right. All right. All right. I think this one should fairly be easy. How long is this game? No, this is a big one. It's a long time to slide. It's only three more questions. Okay.

This one should fairly be easy for both of y'all. Stretching Bob B, though, versus The Wake Up Show. I'm going with Stretching Bob because of personal experience. I'm going with Stretching Bob too. Sorry, Sway. Sorry, King Tech. Yeah, sorry, King Tech. I'm going to bounce it off of Sway and King Tech.

You going to take a shot for that? Nobody asked you. Okay. Cardi B or Nicki Minaj? Nicki. That was fast. Taking a shot? Cardi B or Nicki Minaj? Nicki. That was fast. Taking a shot? Remember, women improvement.

What does that have to do with this answer? I don't know. I just wanted to take another shot. They're both women. It's both of them. Nicki Minaj or Cardi B? In terms of what? They're very challenging. They're very challenging. They're very challenging.

That's a hardest. I've seen Cardi B do some shit. That's the only lawyer during Quick Time Aside. I've seen Cardi B do some shit with the Grammys. You can pass me that lighter, WD. So what are we talking about here? In terms of what? In terms of whatever you want it to be.

Overall artist. Overall artist. He's drawing curveballs over here. He said 10 minutes. Overall artist. Overall artist. He's drawing curveballs over here. He said 10 minutes. Overall artist. I reserve the right to change my answer. I reserve the right to change my answer in 10 years.

Okay. Wait, what? Never heard this. So in 10 years, we have to, even if we're not doing Dream Chance heard this We're gonna come back Ten years, okay, but as of now yes as incredible as Cardi B is mmm Nicki Minaj just done some shit. So I'm going with Nicki. Okay. All right, that took a long time All right, this would be fit no no this might you might be taking a shot to this oh y'all oh yeah taking shots on three ah dip set or the locks

locks locks really that was very easy i didn't think I didn't think you guys go. No listen It's a change the game but for me personally That's what it is. Now we get into the question. It's about how you personally feel how something exactly exactly. I respect that. Okay Kick it free I'm gonna take taking my shot right now. I'm going with Red Alert. I'm going with, because... That should be the Godfather Nones analogy as well. I'm going Red Alert because I got into hip-hop

like 85, 86, 87. And around the time when I got into hip-hop, I wasn't in the streets. I was a little kid. My hip-hop experience came from listening to Red Alert, or Kiss FM, and Jeff Foxx, The Rock's Box, and all that type of shit. You taking your shot? You taking your shot?

Diamond is from the Bronx. This from the last joint. Okay. I got an answer for this. You got an answer? You got an answer? You got an answer? You got an answer?

My answer is Red Alert because Red Alert influenced Kid Capri. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's the Godfather thing. And I'm going to tell y'all, my answer should be Red Alert too. He influenced Kid Capri. I had so much more experience.

Like, it was me going to Kid Capri's parties that made me say this might be the baddest DJ. Oh, yeah, yeah. Kid Capri is not to be, his name is not to be slandered. Right.

And Kid Capri and his production on the Big L shit not to be slandered. Right. And Kid Capri and his production on the Big L shit and certain shit he's done for the co-owners. Kid Capri's the last Jay-Z joint he produced. From Def Comedy Jam

and just, like, Kid Capri and even just now, I posted, I reposted some shit Kid Capri posted on Instagram about, about work,

making sure you work with people who really appreciate you. And I was like, yo, just so everybody knows, I need to work with people who really appreciate you. And I was like, yo, just so everybody knows, I need to work with Kid Capri. Kid Capri is an absolute legend. He's one of my favorite human beings.

Fuck DJ. And he'd probably say Red Alert. He'd probably say Red Alert. He's one of my favorite human beings. Yeah, I just see, I see, I was in, I think I was in D.C. one one day would under the next day in North Carolina

Next day somewhere else and he would equally rock the party with different sets like he wouldn't repeat his sets and that was the first time I Red alert can't do it kicker pre do right but. But Kid Capri is not Red Alert. Right. Okay, this is the last one. It's pretty much 80s or the 90s. That's a fucking good question. I think it is. In terms of what?

Era. 10-year, that 10-year gap. That 10-year 80 or... That 10-year is what fucks it Era. Ten year. That ten year gap. That ten year 80. That ten year is what fucks it up. The ten. Because if you shift the ten between 85 and 95. I'm going with the 80s. You're going with MC Hammer and them niggas.

That's the one. No. MC Hammer is just not defined. Enough of nothing. Looking back. MC Hammer is fucking amazing. Just my ass. Just my ass. Just my ass. Just my this is why I asked, this is why I asked.

When I said in terms of what, are we talking about specifically hip hop? We're talking about the era. Are you talking about because... Hip hop. Specifically hip hop. Well then my answer changed to the 90s. Okay yeah. Okay why?

Because the 80s, when you said 80s versus 90s in terms of era. In terms of era, the 80s is superior. But the 80s, end of 80s hip hop set up the 90s hip hop. 90s hip hop is pretty fucking good. It's great,

but it's set up by the late 80s. But in terms of hip hop, 90s hip hop, if you go to any party on the planet, on any party on the planet right now. Right.

No, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying I see what you're saying and you play any type of music if the DJ decide that he wanted to 15 20 minutes of just 90s hip-hop no you're right that's gonna be the best part of the party Wow I ain't think about it like that you're right if he played nothing the DJ doing nothing that we Nothing is in 2000. Oh, that's just 2000. What, what, what, what? From a 90s audience. From a 90s audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're doing Annie Up. Oh, yes. If you're doing Scenario.

If you're doing Scenario. If you're doing House of Pain, Jump Around. I mean, you could go forever. You know what I'm saying? If you're doing House of Pain, Jump Around and then Scenario and then Annie Up. Some Cypress Hill in there. And then Big E, No Money, More Money, More Problems. And then, how could, just Kill a Man.

And then if you go into a public enemy set, if you to power what the what we write powers 80s that's ladies that's all trying to tell you that's the best producer I would say 90s because late 80s and when the sample it becomes right in effect and hip-hop got away from the live instrumentation of the early to mid 80s a when the sample becomes in effect. And hip-hop got away from the live instrumentation of the early to mid-80s. So it was more of getting back to the essence. You know what I mean?

So that would be my answer. 1988. 1988. What? Is the best year of hip-hop of all time. What, Google told you that? Yeah, I listened to Google. You saw me Googling it, right? I didn't listen to Google. It's the best year of hip-hop of all time. What Google told you that 1988 is the best year 1988 is when everything changed and I Google I did Google Google right because I wanted to see NWA public enemy takes a nation of millions Hold his back

Great adventure slick Rick. Absolutely. Straight out of Compton. Strictly business EPMD. Long live Decayne. It's all 88? 88. Follow the leader. Yep.

By any means necessary. Yep. Straight out the jungle. He's the DJ on the rapper. Wow. Critical beatdown. Wow. Tougher than leather. light is a rock MC

look easy does it going off his marquee the best mark is I go right off the rock is in full gear step to sonic talking all that jazz. All in 88, crazy. In Control, Volume 1, Symphony. From Marley Marl. Act of Fool, King T. But look, listen. Go ahead. Power, Ice-T. A Salt with a Deadly Pepper.

All right, so that's 1988? All this, 88. It takes two, Robb Bass. One of the best records of all time. What more can I say? Audio 2. The world's greatest entertainer. Dougie Fresh.

He rises. All that in one year? I need you to Google that. Jesus Christ. No, I'm going to tell you the next year to come after that. I've done my research. The next year after that is 89 now? No. You're like, is it 89?

Is that the next year? The next year that I got as many dope albums as that is 96. 96 is ill. All right, who's in 96 in this chapter? I feel like Delivered's in 96. I didn't come out to 98. Okay. That's the first year I told you to Google next was 98,

because that's a 10-year span. 98, 98. No, you said 88. 98 is my year. Yeah, 88 to 98. But really quick, before you say those, everything you mentioned in 88 set up the 90s. A lot, all that music influenced everything

that happened in the early 90s. Right. Yeah, what you reading? This is, what year is this? 96 or 98? Okay, that was 88. Okay, 88. Okay, 96 is...

I might be wrong. Yeah. All right, let me start. Tupac, All Eyes on Me. Fire. The Fugees, The Score. Yep. Fire.

You got a Grammy for that, right? Mad Skills from where? Wasn't it commercials? Wasn't it commercials? No, no. That's a classic album. That's a classic album. We have Mad Skills.

Conscious Daughters, Gamers. Bahamudia Collage. Classic. Bahamudia. Smooth to Hustler, Once Upon a Time in America, Busta Rhymes, The Coming, That's 96? It's 96.

Beastie Boys to In Sound from Way Out, Ghetto Boys to Resurrection, Massapeet Ice Cream Man, I might be wrong about 96. Yeah, 96 is not 88. They also, Six is High. Classic. Nasdaq was written.

Classic. Stax, Wildcat Boys, Beach Robbins and Life, Tricor Quest. Classic. AT Aliens. Classic. Uh, uh... AT Aliens. Classic. Uh... No, it's not the same.

Can we bring him in without taking a break, though? Not the same. 88. 88. Let's do 98. Let's do 98. And then let's wrap it up. Let's do...

And I'm going to take a PPA. All right, cool. We'll bring you in. We don't want to take a break. We need to bring Jerome in. I don't want to... I'm going to take a break, though. You can go use the bathroom, though, if you want.

I'm good. I'm good. Okay, yeah. I'm cool for to take a break, though. You can go use the bathroom if you want. I'm good. Okay, yeah, I'm cool for right now. No, so 98 was what? 98. Okay, so 98 is the year

that Blackstar came out. Okay. In September of 98, five hip-hop classics dropped. Really? In September of 98. The same day that the Blackstar album dropped.

Is that not 9-11? No. Okay. 98. The same day that the Blackstar album dropped. Is that not 9-11? No. Okay. 98. The same day that a Blackstar album dropped. Well, read the whole year for 98. No, but Blackstar dropped 98. Okay, September 98.

September 98. Okay. Equimini. 400 Degrees Juvenile. Capital Punishment, big pun. The Miseducation of Lauren Hill. Foundation by Brand Newbie. Beach Rhymes and Life by Charcoal Quest.

Moment of Truth by Gangstar. 98 might be the year. 98, I'm telling you. N-R-E better be the year. Not Beach Rhymes and Life, the Love Movement, which Nori was on. Which I was on, yes. 98, I'm telling you. Not the end of the year. Not the end of the year. Not Beach Rides of Life, the love movement. Okay. Which Norrie was on. Which I was on, yes.

98. My only cock will crash. I don't know why I keep calling it. Okay, okay, this one's about to seal the deal. About to seal the deal. Money, power, respect by the locks. We could go head up with 8 and 8. I'm about to seal it.

I'm about to seal it. ELE by Busta Rhymes. Can I Bust by Cannabis. Wow, okay. Still Standing by the Goody Mob. This is a slept on album. Soul Survivor by P-Rock. Wow, okay. I already mentioned remember i think i'm on soul

survivor too yeah remember i said uh brand new re-in foundation right that came out that in 98 hello nasty by the beastie boys that's a fucking good album wow 98 hello nasty you know what? Nori, thank you. 98 is my new 96. Yeah. 98 was a good year. That's my favorite year of my life. Flesh of my flesh.

Blood of my blood by DMX. Yeah, that's my year, best year of my life. Well, yeah, good job, Nor. 98. I'm waiting for my album to pop up. This is a good one. Will you fucking with me? This is an incredible album.

El Nino by the Death Squad. Mm. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. This is an incredible album. El Nino by the Death Squad.

That Joe. Don Carter. I'm on that album too. N-O-R-E. I popped up. I popped up. I'm looking good back there. N-O-R-E. I'm looking good. N-O.R.E. I was looking good!

N.O.R.E. by Nuri. Okay, but here's the album that I'm on that niggas don't even know. I'm not on this album. I'm on a remix. Sons of Man. The last should be first, and the first should be last. Shout out to Heavenraiser.

You're on that album? I'm on a remix. The last should be first and the first should be last shout to heaven raiser on I'm on a remix. Okay. I thought I was on out sons of man's ill killer priests 60-second assassin DMX is dark in his cell is hot He was the first artist in history yes to have platinum twice in one year. I was there. I was there. 98 was ill. I was there.

Kappa down in the pillage. I was there. Norah, this is the year. I was there. Bobby Digital. Bobby Digital. I won't let you keep going. I'm going to tell you how it's done.

Exhibit, 40 days, 40 nights. That's what you see is what you get. Yeah. Classic video. MOP is what you get now. Yeah. Classic video. M.O.P. First Family for Life. Woo! The Cool, steal this album. Classic.

Rest in peace to DJ, right? She passed away? Ice Cube, War and Peace, volume one and two. I'm on that, too! You on that? That's where Ice Cube was dissing East Coast niggas. No, I ain't on that. I ain't on that.

Which one? The West Side Connection? What did you just say? I'm over the place. What album was that West Side Connection? What is this? It's all over the place. What album was that? What album was that? Google Earth Beach, volume one and two. Oh, yeah, yeah. Ice Cube was wildin' out.

No, no, no, no. Google Earth, West Side Connection. I'm on Ice Cube. I'm on all. I think I'm on We Be Clubbin' remix or something. Yeah, you're on the remix. You're on DMX, right? We Be Clubbin'.

But DMX is on the remix. Yo, me and Mos Def used to do Blackstar shows in the era, and we used to perform a version of that song. And we used to be like, we be clubbing. Little baby seal so we can make coats. We be clubbing. Push it, wait. Push your arms like, wait.

Oh, push. Yeah, that's it. What year was that? That's when I grew up. That's 1998. I'm still in 98. That's a great joint, too. All right, Spike Lee, he got game.

98, that's 98? I was on an Ice Cube record in 98. Actually, that Ice's a great joint, too. Spike Lee, he got gained. 98? That's 98? I said I was going to go Ice Cube record in 98. That's a generation of effects. AC Alone, A Book of Human Language, which is actually a very good album. Yeah, a very good album. Black Eyed Peas, Behind the Front. What? That was before Fergie.

Yeah, yeah. That was the underground Black Eyed Peas. Look at Todd Lib getting his hip hop on. Go ahead you hip hop professor ass nigga, let's do it. That was hard. Hip hop professor ass nigga. 98. 98?

98? Look like 88. WC the Shadiest, Busta Rhymes, Superior, Daz Dillinger, Revenge, Retaliation, Lyricist's Lounge, Volume 1. Wait, Busta dropped two albums that year? The Lyricist's Lounge joined. Did you name Busta twice? No, once.

Oh, okay, it was just once. I'm more than a Lyricist's Lounge, Volume 1. Wait, Busta dropped two albums that year? The Lyricist's Lounge joined. Did you name Busta twice? No, once. Oh, okay, it was just once. I'm on that Lyricist's Lounge album. Okay, goddammit. Anybody want to do it? Two parts. Oh, no.

Cam'ron, Confessions of Fire. That's what a nigga had. I'm on that, too. Right, that's what a nigga had. I'm on that, too, bro. That's what a nigga Cam'ron had. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean?

Yo, listen, David, you know what? 1998 was my favorite year, period, David De Niro at 1995, 98. Yo, listen, 98 was my favorite year, period, like, of my life. The only thing that's better about it, my father died in the middle of my height. I don't even want to talk about it, but hey, let's finish, finish, finish. Big Daddy Kane dropped Veterans Day, which is an underrated album. Which one? Veterans Day, Big Daddy Kane. Oh, yeah.

Styles and Beyond, 2,000 fold, just a great album. Method Man, Decal 2000. Wow. Shit. 98 is fucking... Shit. Corruption. Yeah,

classic. Onyx, shut him down. Classic. Snoop Dogg, the game is to be sold, not to be told, with No Limit.

That's the No Limit. That's a classic too. Amazing pieces of a man. That's the best year. That was a good classic too. The lazy pieces of a man. That's the best year. That's a good year. I learned on Drink Champs today that 1998 can mess with 1988.

It depends. It's great. You know what we should do? I'm going to still give it to 88. You know what? You know what's actually an ill versus? Listen, listen, listen.

Because I was, I love versus and I'm actually a little bit a part of it but the only thing that I didn't like a little bit part of it you know what I mean

but like I didn't like the D'Angelo bringing out people no that was D'Angelo versus himself yeah D'Angelo versus himself

I didn't like that but if we're going to go there why don't we do something like that where it's 1988 versus 1998 and have some of the artists come. But that would be a logistical nightmare. That would be dope.

Nah, but it'd be dope. Shout out to D'Angelo, by the way, who's fucking killing it. Have a great D-Day for that. And then you got Keon Harold on there. No, that was dope. No, it was dope, but it was just weird. It's not what you want from Versus. John Harold on there. Right. No, that was dope. No, it was dope, but it was just weird because it was D'Angelo versus D'Angelo.

It's not what you look from Versus. Yeah, yeah, but imagine you do 1988 versus 1998 and you have these artists. You get as much artists from both eras

that's still alive, that's the beautiful thing about coming to America is they got all the same actors and you get there, these people perform their records.

I think that would be... So wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that you're a fan of coming to America too? I love coming to America too. Are you saying that you're a fan of Coming to America 2? I love Coming to America 2. Are you ready? We're going to have this conversation. Are we going to go there?

Are we going to get into it? I think it was a well-made movie. Oh, you're a fan. I don't understand. What's there not to like about it? Word. You know what? I'm about to blow y'all minds.

You hated it? I enjoyed it. I love it. It's not better, obviously. Because I know that people... It was a good movie. Listen It's not better, obviously. Because I know that people... It was a good movie. Listen, I'm a fan of movies. I know that people had a lot to say about it.

But... It's very hard to make a sequel. Absolutely right. I'm a classic on top of that. The running theme of tonight is Godfather versus Godfather 2. I brought this up several times. Right. We'll title the episode.

Don't worry about it. I brought this up several times. We'll title the episode. Don't worry about it. I brought this up several times. I enjoyed it because it was good to see my OGs and my heroes having fun. Was it as good as Coming to America? Absolutely not. But did I expect it to be as good as it?

It was not as good as it was. It was entertaining. It was well made. It was good, man as it used to be. No, I did not expect it to taste. It was entertaining. But it still, it has its own. It was good, man. We got to support. I didn't like the Fashion Nova part, and I didn't like the part where Homeboy started rapping. Fashion Nova. He started rapping, and I was like, come on, buddy.

It turned into Hamilton. And look at what I'm talking about. Come on, I didn't want that. I like your sexual chocolate, but it turned into Hamilton. That was the best part. But the reason why they had Fashion Nova and Pepsi and Puma. Is that what funded it?

And all the other brands is because when you make a movie, you get paid for the movie. You get paid for the, you know. But here's the thing. Right. They should have,

the only thing I will say creatively, the reason why Coming to America, the first one was dope is because it's a fish out of water story. Right. It's a fictional African character coming to New York City,

Queens, and living. This new movie took place in Zamunda. Right. If it had taken place in New York. They built up fake Queens, too. That was fake Queens. I was offended. But, yeah, they said it was Elmhurst.

Nowhere else in the world. Elmhurst is where Kenny plays from. Yo, listen, man. When they put the, you know, I'm rewinding. I'm looking. I'm going to sit. They said, Elmhurst, New York. I was like, that ain't fucking Elmhurst.

Where they go? They're getting married. You know, if you look at this, it's real good. It says Elmhurst. And I'm just so, because I'm 10 minutes away from Elmhurst. So I know everything.

So that, but that's me personally. That's me personally. The fact that, and they put out Burrow. Queens is very much mentioned queen's mission in coming to america a lot a lot wesson snipe killed it i'm not i'm not i'm not y'all in charge but can we get a a drink champs clap for uh What's the snake? Hell yeah. Let's go. Yo, and I got to give it up one million percent. I've never met her. I actually just see her comedies before,

and I see her stand-up prior to me watching it. But Leslie Jones, listen to me. As a person who my whole life I dedicate ghetto Queens woman, she hit it on the nose. She hit it on the nose. She hit it on the nose. I'm telling you, she hung out with some hood rats from Queens. She hung out with some hood rats from Queens, and she hit it on the nose.

No, she's that person. When she said, hey, Queen, I'm sorry I slapped at your man. That's exactly who. One day, one day, when I'm an old man, one day when I'm an old man, I'm going to tell the world about my DM conversations with Leslie. Leslie slid into your DMs.

No, I slid into hers. Oh. Whoa, whoa. Oh, some comedy shit. I'm like, you fuck. Okay. Hey, just relax. Y'all niggas just relax.

Everybody's calm down. You said what you were going to tell us. Everybody's calm down. Yeah, because why you had to wait 10 years to tell us? You're gonna tell us. Everybody's calm down. Yeah, because why you gotta wait 10 years to tell us? Hey, we've been married out together. Three champs. We've been missing here.

He's like, it's a statute of limitations on my DMs. Paul's mad private, don't worry about it. Right, right, right. Turobi know me for real. Right, right. Everybody single men here? Not you, I know that. You a single man, Tyler?

As far, when is this coming out? I've never, I've never heard that type of answer ever in my life. He said, depending on when this is coming out. What? I've never heard those. You're fucking me up. I've always got something to say. I don't even know what to say if I don't got something to say.

I don't even know what to say, man. I don't know what, what the fuck kind of pimp shit was that? That was a pimp shit right there. I know pimp shit when I see it. He's like, what, what is this coming at? Yeah, I swear, I swear he's right there. He's like, it's a pimp.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, holy shit, I don't even know how to rebuttal that. No, relax. I don't know how to rebuttal that. You diamond. You all here pimping with Tyler?buttal that. No, relax. I don't know how to rebuttal that. You diamond. You out here pimping with Tyler? Oh no, I'm not. I'm not a girl.

You married up? No, I'm not married up. You're not married, but you got a girl. Let's make some noise for you trying to be loyal. Trying to be loyal. That was my laugh. All right, this the last question. Like Biggie's words, I never thought that hip hop would take it this far. The level that hip hop is now, although we compromise with the music, sometimes the music

is not up to par, but the level of business that I'm seeing being done, that I'm seeing being presented is on another level at this point. Like everybody is being able to eat. There's people being able to reach their family with Swiss and they were verses. very, when they gave people equity for putting their likeness and their image on a thing because most of these guys don't even own the actual records that they're playing. So they really wasn't benefiting. You was doing verses just to do verses. And for Swizz and Timbaland to say, you know what? I know some of y'all don't own y'all masters.

So what we're going to do is we're going to give y'all a stake in the actual company. When hip hop is, I want to just, you know, we are the bigs, whereas I want to start with you because you came at the end. Did you ever think that hip-hop would take it this far? Not at all. In fact, that's one of the reasons why I started taking culinary arts. You know what I'm saying? That's right.

That's one of the reasons. That's right. But it's of the reasons. That's right. But it's cool to see it now because we're treated as it is. Like, we're a culture. Right. You know what I'm saying? Now it's being treated as a culture.

Now there's companies targeting our culture like they target whites and blacks and you know what I'm saying? And that's a cool thing to see because they thought we were just some kids making noise. Like a fad almost. Yeah, a fad. They didn't understand the network and the groundwork we were putting in

and the community we were building. Right. You know what I mean? So that's really dope to see that part of it. Right. So Utah lived. Did you ever think hip-hop? You see Jay-Z just sold his company, this, to Moet.

Now, me growing up, Moet was the richest shit you can drink. Yes. For it to be, for them to recognize this company as a $500 million company, and then to buy in, I think at 49%, which means that he still is the majority owner. That's just an amazing thing. We all grew up drinking Moet. And for us, for them to be a part of this company that he did on his own this is big like you ever thought the hip hop

would go this far? No I didn't but I attribute that to how we grew up we had limitations we had like blunders put on as far as what we could imagine like we all just got everybody in this room got into it because you wanted somebody

me me personally it was like you want somebody just think he was nice and if you read jay-z book he talked about that he talked about he say it's all comes down to the rhyme like everything i i i gain attributed to like i just want to write the best raps and everything and if like if you appreciate this culture you put your all into it, things like this will happen. We come from situations where we made to feel like something's wrong with us if we aspire outside of what

the hood supposedly represent. And this is why Jay-Z is such an important artist and human being. It is because he break the barriers constantly and he he he involved all of us in it he makes sure that all of us at least the people where he come from he makes sure all of us uh see a part of it and a piece of it even whether whether or not you in business with him through the way he's making his moves. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And what I was saying earlier about conscious artists. Right. I can't grow no hair now. Right. Back when I was a teenager. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. When I was a teenager, I had dreads. Right. And my dreads looked like Michelle Bascot. That's what Hope looking like.

Yeah, that's right. I seen Kodak Black and shout out to Kodak Black because he's a Florida artist. I've seen him saying that Jay-Z was copying his hairstyle. That's some young boy shit. He's just never seen Basquiat. He really said that? Yeah.

Because Jay-Z's copying Basquiat. I love how you're pronouncing it right because I cannot. I say Basquiat. He said Basquiat? He got French for real. He got French. He went above Haiti. He got French on you.

I'm sure it goes beyond Basquiat. But even if Kodak Black is a little misguided with his historical references as far as coming hip-hop, the fact that he grew his hair out like that is revolutionary. The fact that Basquiat did that is revolutionary. Yeah. The fact that Jay-Z, when I see Jay-Z, I'm like,

that's how my hair looked when I was in high school. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, it all comes full circle. It's like, I'm like, yo,

that's what we're supposed to be. We're supposed to be free. We're supposed to be embracing our blackness, whatever you are. You know what I'm saying? We're supposed to embrace it. And be free. I just love the freedom and the fact that his freedom

has led to him being an astute businessman. And he's more conscious right now. He could do this business. He could do this type of business and him and his wife and his family could do conscious art and still contribute to conscious causes and still win awards

and all that. Beyonce, the most winningest artist of all time in the Grammys or whatever. God damn it. Let's make some noise for that. God damn it. Yeah, it's just crazy. How about you, Diamond? Nah. No way.

No way. To see the culture come from black and brown people having block parties, plugging the equipment up to the lamppost. Right. To something that Jay-Z just did. Right. Or DJ D-Nice in a Ford truck commercial.

Yeah, shout out to D-Nice. D-Nice, man. Word up. Good one, man. Word up. Let's go, Jared. No way. Kanye sneakers.

Right. Right. All that. No way. Right. It's going on, Jared? No way. Kanye sneakers. Right. All that. No way. Right. It's a testament, though, to the culture that we started. Right. So, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, man.

You know what? On that note, let's end this and say, you know what? God bless hip hop. It's blessed everyone in this room to a certain extent um uh like i said man one of the uh i keep watching this trial called kiss documentaries and i think that that's one of the most um slept on hip-hop tools is the hip-hop documentaries like we all you know what i love about documentaries is it's like you know you ever watch the hbo fights you know they make sure everybody has a story you understand what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what the documentary is, and I'm excited to hear about this Black Star documentary. I'm excited to hear about you guys' album. Yeah, when is

Gotham out, when? Yeah. April 26th. I think it's 16th. April 16th. April 16th. Okay, we'll try to put this out that week,

so we can help with the promotion, but overall, man, thank you, brothers, for taking your time to come with us and get drunk and have some drinks.

We're going to do some drops and some pitches and we got this. Make some noise. Happy birthday, Mike. Thank you, 305. Thanks for joining us

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