Drink Champs - Episode 259 w/ Mysonne, Tamika Mallory & Trae Tha Truth

Episode Date: April 30, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with Mysonne, Tamika Mallory & Trae Tha Truth!Talking Hip-Hop and politics, in this episode we cover battle rap to our battles against politicians. We discuss topics regarding community division, racism, LGBTQIA and much more!This is an episode that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise!!! 🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfuckers. What up, motherfuckers. What it good be, hovies? What it should be? This is your boy N-O-R-A-E. What up? It's DJ EFN.

And this is Drink Chance motherfucking Yabby Hour. Make some noise! And there's very few times where, like, you know, I want to stand behind something. I want to be there. I want to, like, you know what I'm saying? I want to stand behind something I want to be there I want to like you know I'm saying I want to like physically you know stand behind this so when I look at these three people that's here they're three different from three different walks of life

but they came together under one thing and it's under you know uh the opposite of self-destruction The thing to big our people up I see them worldwide State to state You know, fighting for our people You know, two of them is rappers One is just I believe an activist Is what you call it

And what they do And how they do it They making us look good Because so many times You've seen people in the past and these people would act like they're holier than thou or they would, and it'd be like the protesters

or the people that are standing on the ground you can't relate to sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Because it's like, all right, cool, damn, man, the preacher, man, like he make me feel like, but these people that stand in front of me is an organization,

is people that I want to support. I seen them the other day and I was like, yo, there's no way I can't let y'all leave without we getting this done. You know, they went back to New York and then, they said we even coming back with Trey. So, in case you don't know what we talking about, we talking about the motherfucking honorable Mike Song,

Trey the motherfucking Truth, and Tamika Mulder. Now, I'm going to set it off and to say how much I'm going to relate it to myself, right? When I was coming up, Christianity was very, very popular, right? And then I would see a preacher

and then the preacher would be buying pieces on the law. He would be buying crack and shit. I'm like, I don't feel... Mr. Daniels! But Mr. Daniels... And Mr. Daniels... The reason why he couldn't relate

is because Mr. Daniels was acting holier than thou and then he couldn't actually be human. So, then there was a culture that came along where it was called 5% Nation, right? And the 5% was like, yo, we're normal people, but we make mistakes. And it somewhat

brung the youth to follow that. How did we go from that to where we are now in the hood? It's somewhat still following, but this gang culture is really, really crazy in the hood right now's somewhat still following, but this gang culture is really, really crazy in the hood right now.

What do y'all think about that? For me, you know, first of all, thanks for having us. It's always a pleasure. This is like my second time up here, but it's been so long. You're an alumni.

I mean, y'all big, man. We working, we working. You know what I'm saying? And I'm proud of y'all, man. Thank you, man. Proud of y'all. But, you know, as far as the question, I think for me, you know, we have to look at what our community has. You know what I'm saying?

Like the same way you said, like a lot of these young boys, they don't connect to the people who are telling them not to do the thing. You know, they don't have somebody that looks like them, that comes from where they come from, that speak the language, you dress like them, that understand the culture that they're involved in. And so they don't feel like they're connected to the people who's telling them.

I think it's necessary for credible messages like us. You know what I'm saying? When you look at Trey, when you look at myself, when you look at Tamika, we come as we are. You know what I'm saying? When you look at Trey, when you look at myself, when you look at Tamika, we come as we are. You know what I'm saying? We come as we are. We understand the same things.

I don't have conversations with the youth about, you know, as the person I am now. I speak to you from where I was exactly where you are. You know, so that's a different conversation. When you're speaking from an adult perspective and you're having

a conversation, it's like you're talking down to them. Well, you should be doing this and you need to be doing that. Nah, they have a life. You know, they have an understanding.

They have realities that they're dealing with. So when you connect with them where they are and you meet people where they are, the conversation is different. Then you start to really

change the structure. I think the gang culture is so strong in our communities because these young boys are looking to be held. They're looking for somebody to love them. They're looking for people that they can be involved with. They want to have

unity, and that's the only place they see it. So they say, bro, these are my bro. This is the buzzing. This is this and all that because they're looking for family. In our communities, a lot of our personal families, yeah, we're missing fathers, mothers on drugs, older brothers locked up.

So we don't got nobody here to guide us. So when you go outside and you see the gang member, and he's the big homie supposedly, and he running around, he directing this one, he look like he winning, and he say, yo, we're going to take you under our wing. Who else is doing that? You know what I'm saying?

So we have to replace that. You know what I'm saying? We have to to replace that. You know what I'm saying? We have to replace that. And the thing is, the thing about it is that this gang culture was started for that. It was actually started. It was actually started like a revolutionary brotherhood. Like a neighborhood watch as well. So I tell, I understand

that reality too. So we got brothers like my brother Shaduq who's in New York, who is a proud blood. But his OG-ism ain't telling you to go on the streets and shoot and this and that. He's a violence interrupter. He's taking the bloods off the streets and bringing them

in and they stopping the violence in the community. See, when you really gangster, when you can stop somebody from shooting somebody. It ain't nothing gangster about you just doing some dumb shit or sending somebody to throw a missile and getting these kids locked up. No. When you got enough respect

that you can go to two people that want to kill each other and say, yo, nah, that's not happening. We're going to change this. We're going to flip this around. We're going to build

instead of destroying each other. That's what gangster is. So when we start retraining that mindset, that's when we're going to get what we're supposed to get. God damn, make some noise.

Yeah. So now, like Houston, Houston, train in that mindset, that's when we're going to get what we're supposed to get. Goddamn, mix the noise. Yeah, goddamn it. That's enough train. Like, Houston, Houston, like, I went to Houston one time and we went on the back road. Was it Houston? We went on the back road

and we took a piss and a white man followed us. Like, you're not supposed to be peeing and we never see no shit like this. This man followed us. Like're not supposed to be peeing and we never see no shit like this. This man followed us. So is it like that in Houston? Like, oh, that was a bad day. I came out there.

That probably was a bad day. It was a bad day. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. It definitely was a bad day. So, can you open that for me, please? Because I have the gloves and shit. So, but describe to us, do y'all deal with the gang culture,

like gang shit like that as well? You got to realize everything that I represent came from the gang culture. The only difference is coming up where I'm from, I was the one that I brought all the gangs together. It didn't matter whether it was you from what block, it was just about respect. That's what ABN really is, you know. And the power of how I transformed it is, I'm still in the streets every day.

Even though I do what I do, the reason that they love me is because they know that trust is instilled in me. They know he going to give it to us pure, blank, raw. You know what I'm saying? He not going to look down on us. If anything, you know, I'm going to chop it up with him, and we're going to, you know, at the end of the day,

I just give it to him real. I'm going to tell you, you your own man. Whichever way you decide to go, I can tell you what the result is going to be from my experience, but whatever you decide, just make sure you stand on it. But, you know, man, I don't, I just don't, I don't look at it necessarily as just the gang. It's just, it's just characters, the characteristics of certain people, you know. Because you have some gang members that's super solid.

And you have some people that's not gang members that out here trying to crash people out. But then you have some gang members that may be trying to crash people out. And some people that ain't affiliated in the streets, they're super solid. So I think it's all about the characteristics of other people. You know, like, when me and Mike talk all the time,

it's about... Take some champagne. Take some champagne, goddamn it. They ethics. Jay-Z, the rap guy. The rap guy. The rap guy. I called for this.

Let's go. I'm sorry. But no, it's just, you know, it's It's about your morals your principles what you stand for Because again like what Mike said You got to realize You can take J Prince in Houston People fail to realize like He's always took care of the hood

He's always took care of the community He's always Right he's always tried He always tried to mediate beefs also He always tried to mediate beefs also. Huh? He always tried to mediate beefs. Yeah, I was going to say, if it's unnecessary,

he's dumb dead. And people classify me, damn near as his son. We the exact same. So we not walking away from nothing. But you know, if we watching it and it's just unnecessary,

we going to try and make sense of it. You got to make sense of it because if you're doing it for nothing, like, what's the purpose? You know what I'm saying? Let's salute that to this ace of spades. God damn it. Salute, man. Welcome to the... What are we calling this show? What are we calling this today? Black excellence? Black excellence? Okay. I love black excellence.

You know, I was going to say Trey had a march. He called the march for George Floyd. 70,000 people in Houston. My son and I. And you got a trade day, too, right? In Houston, too, right? I got two holidays in Houston. Goddamn.

And one in Milwaukee. Goddamn. Okay, okay, okay. Trey's big. He's big. He's big. He's big. And my son, myself, and our other co-founder,

attorney Angelo. Hold on, because I want you to get back to that. I want you to get back to that. Remember what we're talking about. Okay. This is questions're talking about. Okay. This is questions direct for you. Okay. How good did it feel to see Kamala Harris up there?

It's great. I mean, you know, you can't... I said the other day, we have to be able to take a moment to, like, celebrate. Right. Right, because we have so many brutal hits... Right. ...where you feel like you're not winning.

So when you do, you got to celebrate it. And, you know, I saw so many little girls. Parents were posting on social media, little girls standing there as she was standing with their hands up in front of the TV, taking the pledge with her. Like those things. That's incredible. It's the same thing with President Obama. Like, you know, that was a huge It's the same thing with President Obama. That was a huge moment to see a black man become president. And I think for me, it's not so much just the fact that they actually got

there, it's how. Because both Obama and Kamala Harris, the people really truly elected them in both instances. It took young people. It took black folks in Kamala's situation. Well, let's say Vice President Harris and her madam vice president in her situation. If it were not for the fact that Joe Biden chose her as his running mate, he wouldn't have won.

It's no way he won because he selected her. And that didn't just happen. My sister, Jotayka Eady, and a number of other incredible black women came together a few weeks, like maybe two months before he made the pick and began to apply pressure. We wrote letters.

You know, I signed on to a number of letters and, you know, situations where they basically were reaching out saying to the, at that time, his campaign, there has to be a black woman. And they never said it had to be Kamala Harris because there were many others, Karen Bass, Keisha Lance Bottoms.

They even had beef on Biden and Harris had beef at one point, right? Was Stacey Abrams ever, like, maybe for that role? She might have been in a conversation. That's the one from Georgia? And by the way, it wasn't that they had beef. It was that she challenged him. She called him out on his bullshit. And challenged his racism as a white man and just called him out.

And he just had to deal with it. He had to own it, you know. And I think it's a testament to, one, the power of black women that she could do that, call them out like only mama can do, and that he still had to circle back to her in order to win. And so

the black women that I'm talking about, this group that was organized, they didn't say, choose Kamala, choose this person, choose... They said, a black woman is necessary in order for us to get in these streets and do what we need to do to help you win this election. Because he was definitely not winning. And it was after she got on the ticket that people began to mobilize. Latasha Brown from Black Voters Matter and Dewana Thompson of Woke Vote.

Women just across the country country amazing women that started to push to make sure our people got to the polls and we can you know we went out until freedom our organization was there yes we did all y'all together until freedom all it's always all of us is with everything we were abn abn is with until freedom we all together on everything bottom line but um but we went out on an 11 day tour where we damn near slept on a bus half the day traveling across the country we went from florida all the way to michigan um out there knocking on doors and the way in which we organize um we specifically go to the places where they say it's low propensity voters. These are people

who... The people from those communities just don't vote. They more than likely won't show up. I'm about to say, is that people of color? Black people particularly. And they just, you know, you walk into their door, they like, don't come here with

that voting stuff. I don't want to hear it. There are even people like grandmothers who would say to me, there was one grandmother, I think you were walking with me, and it was one housing project. She was like, I'm voting for the Lord. Like, that's who I vote for. That's the homie. The homie got to be in the guy's office. Vote for the Lord. And her point was, she doesn't go to the polls.

You know, she's in church. And it was after having a long conversation with her. In fact, Breonna Taylor's mother was with us at this part of the tour. And Breonna Taylor's mother walked up to her after she heard her saying to me, I'm not voting. And she said, do you know my daughter? My daughter's Breonna Taylor. She began to have a conversation with this woman. That woman went to the polls that day.

We were able to get her to early vote at that time. So that happened because people bought into the idea that a black woman would now be vice president because we do not need another white man at 70-something years old to be president in this country. I'm not going to lie. I don't think he's going to survive that long. She's going to be the president. I ain't going to lie. Listen, listen.

This is me. This is my ignorance. Y'all ain't got nothing to do with this. I think Joe got like six months, maybe 16. Six to 16 months. He gonna eat a bag of bread. He gonna eat a bag of bread. He's looking better. He's got some pep in his step.

He got some Beijing in his shit. His wife is fucking me up. He's fighting all over. Hey, come on, never lie to me. Yeah, I mean, he's lying. But good, I'm sorry. He looks better. And so, you know, we bought into it and we went out there

and we know it's not perfect. It's not a perfect fix. We were talking the other day that, you know, as soon as he got in office, he signed executive orders. We heard them.

And what was the executive order that related to our people? So that's the point I was going to make. So he did immigration, you know, obviously stopping this stupid wall that they're building. He dealt with the Muslim ban, getting rid of the Muslim ban. He dealt with making sure that I think 11 million people will become citizens. So he's doing things right. But with black folks, you can't just sign something to say stop killing black people. It's not it's not that simple. And we're post-traumatic stress syndrome.

We're dealing with so much. We don't believe that paper anyway. Exactly. So the executive order that he signed was it is basically pushing the federal government to do a study on all the different areas of the government to sort of figure out where the racism lies. Like, where's the problems? Are people being hired? Part of the government. Exactly. It's going to be it's going to come back. the report is going to come back that so much needs to be done. So that's the first stage is to be able to look at and then analyze the depth of the issues

from a federal perspective. And then they will come back and say these things need to be done. The problem is that black people always get caught up in studies. Like that's what

they love to do to us. They're going to put it in a committee, there's going to be a study. And it's the actual, the action part that it takes a while, if at all, to get to. Exactly. So that's what we all have to monitor

is making sure they do something. And then state to state after that. Exactly. Did y'all see the movie One Night in Miami? Yeah. I saw it. When I first saw it, when I first, who mentioned it on the show? Somebody mentioned it on the it. When I first saw it, when I first... Who mentioned it

on the show? Somebody mentioned it on the show. And I'm thinking it's a stripper. What the... I mean just thinking it. What's the other title One Night in Miami? You thought it was like The Hangover. I thought it was good.

I was like, yo, so when I look and I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. It was crazy because I just watched a Sam Cooke documentary. That's what somebody brought up. Yeah. Oh, I think Lords of the Underground. Okay.

So, I went and I'm going to. Well, okay. So, I went and I'm going to be honest with you it took me twice. First time I kind of fell asleep because I was like what's the significance? I didn't really understand what was going on. But the second time when I woke up I woke up, drank some tea

and I was just like wow, like sometimes I think we underestimate our power. Is that the truth? I feel like this is one night in Miami right now. I feel like just us creating together and spreading this type of message.

But do you think that we underestimate each other? Anybody can take this question. I think we definitely underestimate our power. Our power, that's what I mean. Our power because what happens to me,

what I realize is going in the community, when we started voting, because personally, you know, I'm from the hood. You know what I'm saying? I never believed in this politics shit. Like, I'm not doing no politics.

That shit don't work with me. And then when you start to be in certain rooms, you start to have conversations, you start to understand that either you do politics or politics does you. You understand what I'm saying? You saying I don't vote is the dumbest shit ever, because the shit you don't vote for is still going to affect your life. It's like sometimes when a rapper says, I'm not a rapper. Like, you got to relax.

You've been rapping, brother. Exactly. Exactly. So the bottom line is, if you talk about you don't vote, and then you mad that the laws get passed, you still going to stop at the green light. You're going to pay taxes. You're going to abide by every law. If you're not voting for the people that's putting those laws, then does that even make sense to you? If you know that there's two candidates and one of them actually can enact some laws that make putting those laws, then you, it doesn't, does that even make sense to you? If you know that there's

two candidates and one of them actually can enact some laws that make a little more sense to you, even though the fucking hostess, it's like being in jail, right? Right. And you got two motherfucking

wardens in there. One of them ain't giving you no child. You can't go to the yard. You can't get on the phone. And one of them saying, look, I'm going to give you all day child.

You can go to this way. You can go to the yard when you want. You can get on the phone. Nigga, I don't give a fuck. I'm in jail anyway. I don't care what they do here. But you still in jail, right?

You want to be on that phone. You want to go out to the yard. You need these certain amenities. You want to be able to get on the phone and call your lawyer. Certain shit you need to do while you living in a place. I'm not saying stop trying to fight to get out.

Go to the law library. Make sure you do all the shit and study to get out of jail. But while you in jail, you got to figure out how you're going to make yourself the most comfortable to where you can give yourself the opportunity to get out of there. So that's like us being in this system. Yeah, the system is fucked up.

It's a bunch of bullshit. We know that. But when you don't participate and say, all right, we going to make sure that I put people that I trust a little more than the people in there in office. He's saying some shit that makes a little more sense to me, and I definitely want to see that legislation enacted. So, you know, I'm going to give him my vote because whether I vote or not, somebody's going in that motherfucking position. I heard someone say mainly the local elections is just as important as the big elections.

They impact you more personally. In fact, it's more important because are you bringing out the shot time? I'm in. I'm in. You know what? You're wasting the shot time. I'm in. I'm doing, shot time? I'm in. I'm in. Are you rushing the shot time? I'm in. I'm doing, you know, I'm doing. We debate back and forth all the time about this. They're all important and the reason why I

always stop my song when he says that is because with our people, you have to speak to them in a way you can't be confusing and ambiguous because our people get confused. If you don't go to the polls for the presidential election because you're like, I don't do the federal piece, I don't care about that, you will miss the opportunity to vote down the ballot. Right? Right, right.

So there's other things on that paper. Right. It's not just the presidential election. In Georgia, what we just saw happen when we had to go back and vote again for the Senate. What's the dude's name with the glasses? Reverend Raphael Warnock. Okay, yeah.

He's the governor now? No, he's a senator. He's a senator, which is power. That's like right after the president, right, the president needs the Senate to help pass anything. So that's why when people say President Obama didn't do enough for black people.? The president needs the Senate to help pass anything. So that's why when people say President Obama didn't do enough for black people. He didn't have the Senate.

He didn't have the Senate. We lost the Senate because we didn't, people didn't understand at that time. I think people are way more clear about elections and, you know, people are much more knowledgeable about elections and the process now, right, with all the craziness. Trump actually did that. That's good. He probably brought more people into the fold and they're more aware now. I tell people all the time, listen,

when Trump was getting elected, right, and it was between him and Hillary Clinton, I said, I'd rather Trump be the president. And people was like, what do you mean? I said, I'm not voting for him, but I think we need Trump because Trump is going to push you to a level that you're not going to get with Hillary. We need, we don't remember.

We take a shot together. We take a shot together. You want to boil racism? Yes, yes. This is all about, reuse these to your careers. This is still your careers. God damn it. This is for y'all.

Black excellence, God damn it. Yeah! So you're saying you're proud of the upfront racism? No, it's just not so much. It's upfront racism. Right.

But Hillary would have been the first female, I mean, woman president in history, right? So women would have been like, we made it. We did it. Everything's good.

We can relax a little bit. When Trump got elected, this was a man who has no history. He don't know nothing about politics. He done said some of the dumbest shit. He got elected, this was a man who has no history. He don't know nothing about politics. He done said some of the dumbest shit.

He got elected. He was the first WWF president. He's done some of the most ridiculous shit. He showed you that we really have to do something. When you look to see him in power...

I was ready to vote for Kanye. Kanye jumped out the window. That's what I'm saying. I was ready to vote for him. That's a whole other story. He said slavery. That's a whole other story. Different story. Different story. I was with Kanye. He said slavery is the window. That's what I'm saying. I was ready to vote for him. That's a whole different story. That's a whole different story. Different story.

Different story. I was with Kanye until he said slavery is the choice. I said, wait a minute, nigga. Hold on. I'm sorry. We all was. I was one of four. I'm one of Yeezys.

I was like, fuck it. Maybe I'll get some free Yeezys. Exactly. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah, so when you looked at him in office, I think, especially as black people and people of color, we looked and said, damn, this is really serious. Like, if this man is, and

watched him do the shit he was talking about and how, you know, this was shithole countries and only the blacks could live here and all type of racist shit. That shit, when you had this, we had to literally see that to understand it was really happening because it been happening in the system,

but we didn't really see it. So like you said, it was upfront racism and it forced us. Like it forced people that was in their house just chilling like, nah, I can't just chill now. Like we got to do some real shit and we needed that, especially as black people. You would have never seen the rise

of such black leaders that was from the grassroots, people who was just in a hood just chilling. Dudes like myself that came out was like, people who was just in a hood just chilling. Dudes like myself that came out was like, nah, we can't really just sit out. We can't sit down and just watch this shit happen.

So it forced leaders to emerge. It forced whole organizations to grow and say, look, we got to combat this shit. And it pushed us. It was halfway racism to take their choice. Like people who was

on the fence. I'll give you a perfect example. Like Trump had a rally by my crib, right? He had a real rally by my crib and all of the people that was Jewish, it was Israelis for Trump or something like that. So, a bunch of my neighbors, I was like, oh really? They coming out? They usually have on shorts, they got on dockers. And I'm like, oh, okay. Y'all going to fuck... I said, all right, I'm going to remember this. So, a year later after the George Floyd shit

those same... Every one of them came up to me and was like, you got to get him out of office. And I was like, wow, because they realized I didn't speak to them since then. But then they kept seeing... I didn't even actually have to say yo, I was offended by that.

I didn't have to say that to them. They saw it and then they switched for themselves and then, you know, Sonny knows the guy, the guy... The dog always comes up to Sonny and I'll be just looking like mad gangster like, because the dog be fucking with me, black is for my friend,

the dog is the white, this is the white. I'm going too far, it's crazy. But you don't know too, all right. You don't know what I'm supposed to do, like he switched his whole... Good guy, he was actually, he worked for Obama. But, and then it's just like, all right, I'm talking about? The dude, he switched his whole... Good God. He was actually... He worked for Obama. But...

And then it's just like... I'm just telling you. So people who was on the fence, they would say, I don't know. Then after the George Floyd shit, they was like, he's outright racist.

He couldn't say that that was wrong. He just couldn't say that. He more or less commented on the riots. More or less commented on the riots. He more or less commented on the effect more than the cause. That's what actually happened. You know what I'm saying?

So, yeah, I said that. Trey? Trey, you saying something? My bad. Oh, okay, okay. I was about to say something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was telling you a story about Trey's rally.

Okay, yes, Ray Brown. That's right. So, he called a rally, 70,000 people. It was the hottest day. We was in hell. I never felt heat like this before. This was unbelievable. DJ Envy came out there?

Was Envy out there this time? I think I heard him come out. I forget who that guy. Not one fight. Nobody bumping each other. Everybody's so much respect. It was Trey. The kids, all these little kids came and they were following

him around the whole rally trey cat he commanded control over every single aspect of that rally and i knew that day that he had a certain level of respect not just in houston but this is all over the nation wherever we go people respect these two guys so much. And I was like, wow, like, Trey is a real leader. Like, you know, I saw something different. I'm talking about it could have been a real big fight out there because it was hot, people were irritated, but they knew not to do that on his time. How'd you develop that, Trey?

I don't even think it's about developing. It's just, bro, sometimes I just move on impulse. Like, I move as is. I don't really, because you got to realize when I did it, you know, I hit Bun, and he's like, man, let's make it happen. And I didn't know if it was going to be 10 people, 1,000 people, whatever it was. But, you know, I spoke, and one thing about it, people know when it's time for a cause and it's time to fight,

I'm going to go out there and win, lose, or draw. If it's something I believe in. That day, it showed how many more people believe in what I believe in and believe and stand enough for what needs to be stood up for. We made a statement. I think we actually had the biggest march period when it came to George Floyd. You know George Floyd is the homie. I didn't know you knew him personally.

You knew him personally? Yeah, so if you go look at some of the older stuff, you know I've been banned from radio like I think this may be two years worldwide. When everybody left me hanging he was one of the few that would always. He was affiliated with Screw, right? Somehow.

Get out of here. Yeah. He was he was on Screwtape before we was there. Yeah. But yeah, Floyd would always show up. You know what I'm saying? He would he would always be there to support, you know, and this. It was like it was actually so crazy.

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All right, hold on. I need y'all to slow down. Okay, it's cool. Boom, boom, boom, boom. All right. No, that's ill. That's ill. Because I was seeing y'all everywhere from Ahmed, Aubrey, like, you know... Ahmad. Ahmad, I'm sorry. Breonna Taylor. Breonna Taylor, Trey... Like, everything that happened.

So this is... So I thought I was seeing you there as well. So you're saying the first time that y'all linked up was at the... So it's crazy, right? The... Me and Mike's been to each other, but it's crazy, right? Me and Mike's been through each other,

but it's like everything is still kind of tied in. So while they were doing what they were doing, you know, you still have the Lee Marriots, you still have the Sean Kings. They deal with me, they were dealing with me hands-on. So in a lot of cases, in a sense, I'd be fighting with Lee and Sean on what they're doing at the same time they're doing it.

What happened was just when we went out there right after Floyd got killed it just became us as one. Because even to this day all of us still deal with the same people but now it's like our team as a whole

you know it's just everybody brings something to the table we built the superpower yeah we definitely And... Because, you know... The Justice League. The Justice League. I'm going to tell you something. That's actually an organization that we're affiliated with. I'm going to tell you something. It's very important. When I look at y'all, you see how sharp y'all are. Everyone look good.

Beautiful. I'm going to be honest. It's important because you got to remember the people... Even when you look at people like my heroes, like Stokely Carmichael,

I never thought he got a haircut. That's my man. I love him. I followed him, but y'all didn't look like he got a haircut that's my man I love him I follow him but y'all didn't look like he picked his shit you know what I'm saying so what I'm trying to say

is it be important because these young dudes it's the same thing sometimes these young dudes if you're not somewhat relevant in their eyes

like you got something that they can identify with they're not going to want to is that something that you I think that's that was one of the main focuses of Unto Freedom. We, like she

said, we started working with an organization called the Justice League, which was the birth child of the Gathering for Justice, which is Harry Belafonte's organization. Wow, that's my homie. So we was working with the Gathering for Justice. We still work with them. We still work, I mean, we would just, that was all our work was fun to do. Every day, yeah.

Every day. And then the executive director, Carmen Perez, has started Justice League. And we were, that's when we started doing our own thing, immediate actions. My first rally that I went to was for Eric Gardner. I was working in detention centers. That's the guy who got killed for cigarettes. Yeah, got killed for cigarettes. And I was working in detention centers with the Gathering for Justice and we were going

to detention centers and we were talking to kids and I was teaching them how to utilize my music as an alternative to violence. Like, you know,

and I was going to detention centers weekly. This was the first time I had started doing that. And then the Eric Garner case happened. And Carmen was like, we walk out of

the detention center. She looked, yo, they just killed this man. Look at how they killed him. We doing a rally tonight. And I'm like, rally? I had never been to a march, never been to a rally, nothing. And next thing I know, that night it was over 100,000 people in the city of New York City. And we was blocking the bridge to Jersey.

And we sat in the middle of the street. and I never felt more alive than that day. Like, I never, like... It feels like this is your calling. That's what I'm about to tell you. Like, music is my passion, but this is my purpose and my goal. Because I've been there. I've been there. I can't say in the beginning of your career.

I got to say in the beginning of your professional career. No, you was there at the beginning of my career. Really? I thought it was, like, when you was turning professional. When I started, me and Sean battled, that was the beginning of my career. Really, y'all? I thought it was like when you was turning professional. When I started, me and Sean battled, that was the beginning of my career. I didn't even have a record down.

I didn't know that, man. I didn't know how much of a legend I am. Yeah. You talking about that shit. Norrie was there. That was 1998. That was the beginning of my career. And Norrie, we used to go to Justin's downtown.

I loved Justin's. And Justin's was the best club. Every Tuesday, we'd go there. It was industry night., I love Justin's. And Justin's was the best club. Every Tuesday we'd go there. It was industry night. And I remember the first, I tell people all the time, I remember hearing Ben from TV. Nori pulled up in a big black van, I mean truck, in front of Justin's.

And he was just playing and I was just like, what the hell is that? And then I heard pun and I heard Nori and then I heard, and I heard kiss. I'm like, yo this is probably the best I ever heard he was young, you know Nori was wild young and wild

we about to crush it with this I'm like yo let me get a verse he said nah nah nah so we laugh, we kicking it and then the next week Nori's out there rhyming with Sean this is probably one of the best battles I ever liked him and Nori is's out there rhyming with Sean. This is probably one of the best battles I've ever liked. It was Sean and somebody else.

Him and Nori is just out there rhyming. And they kicking it in front of Justice. Hold on, let me tell you a story. This is one of the best battles I've ever been in. So we outside. And Nori's out there. So Matt Middleton was my lawyer. And Ed Woods. Black lawyer. Both black Middleton was my lawyer. Yes. And Ed Woods.

Black lawyer. Both black lawyers. Both black lawyers. God bless the dead Ed Woods who passed away. So they both outside. They listening. Me and Tone, my manager, I just seen him yesterday. Shout out to Tone. We inside in.

So Matt comes in and like, yo, they outside rapping. Sean and them is out there. So I'm like, what? Now, Sean just got a million dollar record there. Yeah, let me stop you and you're going to finish it. Let me just tell you something.

For me, it was ill because I ain't never seen this guy, never heard of this guy and all I heard is he got a million dollars from Bad Boy and a million dollar

publishing deal. I'm like, I ain't got that. We have, we have. He ain't got that. So I'm like, I ain't got that. We own that. I didn't even tell you. So I'm like, oh, okay. I wanted to chop. So I only meet him, but when we started rhyming, I wanted to chop his head off. But yeah, I'm going to let myself take it.

That was the big effect, though. Yeah, it was the big effect. But the thing is, everybody was mad because we weren't around. We were like, yo, this dude, he got a million dollars. I'm like, yeah, I can kill him. I heard half or something. He all right, man. So I got 100 rhymes. So Matt comes in like, yo, they out there rhyming. I'm like, yeah, I can kill, I'll kill him. I heard half or something. He all right, man. So I've got 100 rhymes.

So Matt comes in like, yo, they out there rhyming. I'm like, who's there? He's like, yo, it's Nori, it's Sean, it's somebody else. And he said, everybody's out there. Clue is out there. They got a big circle just surrounding them. So Tony looks at him. I'm like, yo, let's go.

He's like, no. I'm like, no, what do you mean? He's like, nah, nah. I'm like, what are you talking about, nah, nah? I don't understand what you're talking about. I don't know this man. Now, two days before that, I had just went, and I was literally going to sign with Entertainment. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? Adidas. Adidas. Okay. Lance Alvarez. So Lance had told him, don't let nobody else hear me. So that's why he was like, nah, nah, don't rhyme. So we had, I've been in the studio with them.

I've kicked it for him for about an hour. He's like, yo, we can do the paperwork. He told him, yo, don't let him rhyme for nobody else. So Tone was like, he was trying to abide by that little situation. I'm like, come on, man. This the guy out here. Let me tear his head off real quick. So Matt is like, come on, man. This guy out here, let me tear his head off real quick. So, Matt is like, come on, man.

This can't hurt you. It's only going to up the ante. So, Tony, all right. So, we go out there. I'm standing there. So, I'm looking. Nori, they going back and forth. And then Matt like,

yo, let Mice get to the front. So, I go to the front. He look. Nori like, okay, Mice, but you got some balls for us. I had just met Mice two weeks ago. He had just met me two weeks ago. He gave me that look like, okay, Mike, but you got some balls for us. I had just met Mike two weeks ago. He had just met me two weeks ago. He gave me that look like, please relax. Like, you got this shit already, my dude?

Just fall back. And I had heard him rhyme. And I heard, because he was a slick rapper, but I didn't hear him rhyme like this. Like, he had the eye of a tiger. Like, literally, there was tigers in his eyes. Like, I look back and he just, I ain't gonna lie, I ain't never seen no battle like that. I remember he said, so, first he started rhyming,

and I think somebody was like, no, we back up. No, it was your eyes. He looked at me, he said, what you got? You got something for us? I spit. That nigga looked around, he's like, slow down, killer. He said, you trying to kill it. Hold on, hold on.

Hold on, this done got good. So then he rhyme, I go. He rhyme, I go. The nigga know it was like. This is the first time you use a gun on my left arm or left arm or right arm or whatever that line was. It's over. And then he was like, it's over. Next thing I know, everybody was coming.

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Puff was calling me. Puff was calling niggas. Clu was on the radio talking about it. I had like a big bidding war. Jermaine Dupri flew me to Atlanta. I was in every record label. You got to understand, let me just describe this scene.

I, first of all, I love the fact that he just said justice was a club it was and that shit. Like, you should have kept the bodies and everything. Just keep it going. Just keep this shit going. Stay open, brother. Don't worry. We're going to get it together. We're going to figure it out. But anyway, so that, so we used to club it out and what it was, the club was right next,

the club was on Court Street. I hung out with Cheetahs. Cheetahs. I'm going to tell you something. Cheetahs hung out there with West East Life and Asian girls.

It was crazy. It was crazy. But yeah, Cheetahs was to the left and then to the right was another. Cheetahs to the left. Cheetahs to the left. So as you come out,. Cheetos to the left. Cheetos to the left. So as you come out, Cheetos to the left. It was across the street. Cheetos was directly across the street. Yeah, I'm saying to the left though. But what

was to the right? It was another white club to the right. Oh, it was a billboard. It was a pool spot. It was just a pool spot. It was a pool spot., that block was so lit in New York City. So, you got to realize when they looked and they see... And I forget like I'm the actual number one nigga at the time. I'm actually... So, but Sean got the number one name.

And then when they see... And they see just everybody come out like that was like you know when they talk about the Park Jams and the Bronx. Like I was too young to experience that. I was too young to see Kool Herc and them do their thing but to me that battle was like my first like I was like oh shit hip-hop really is this is really like and it was like listen like everybody wanted to fight because you know Mike Sohn won that night Mike Sohn actually just not just shine I just want to just live it as just Shine. It was other people. It was other people there too.

There's other new artists. And so... But what it was was the love of hip-hop. That was the first time I was like, yo, hip-hop is... Me and Shine

almost had a real beef over that. Like, really? Get out of here. What? Them niggas was so mad. His man still was with him was like, fuck that nigga.

And he said, you was running around saying you was a nigga. But it wasn't you. It wasn't me. We didn't really have no conversation and we went to Diddy's house in the Hamptons.

Wow. And Sean's man, we walk into the party. I give Sean a pound. His man like, don't give that faggot nigga no pound. Wow. I'm like, bro, who are you talking to? I'm confused. Man, we in Diddy's house.

Wow. So I'm like, listen, I'm not going to disrespect this man's house. Because Tony like, no, you can't. I said, let's just go outside. Now, we ain't going to make no scenes. So we all go outside. So you told him to his man or you told him about Sean? I told his man that.

Sean was like, chill, chill. And I was like, nah, that man have a problem with me. We ain't going to disrespect. We ain't going to make no scene. Let's just go outside. And we went outside. And we literally was about to get it on. And then Puff came out like nah Y'all gotta settle this

And then Nigel was there Nigel got in the middle And we ended up Having a conversation And you know He was like nah I just thought you

Was showing him fake love And I'm like Listen bro This shit is hip hop People gonna say what they say If I don't fuck with you I don't fuck with you You know what I'm saying

But me and Sean Had always been cool I thought he was a dope dude After that me and him I was going to the studio with him. It was just a battle, yeah. He was like one of my closest friends. I'd be like, he,

I used to be in the studio with Sean while he was doing his whole project. Like, and helping him do shit, he would help me, like, we became like real close friends after that. But that one little period, it was drama for a minute. Right, it was damn, damn.

Yeah. So let's make some noise for that, right, Dwayne? We said it, we said it. Sean is my brother. So T's make some noise for that. Right, Duran? We said it. We said it. We said it. We know this. You're not drinking. You're not smoking.

Is that something that because when I first, my first tour, I went on in Japan. I went on with 8 Ball and MJG. And they gave me this cup. They was like, man, this is serve.

This is serve. It was a scissor. It was a serve. They was like, man, this is sir. This is sir. It was a scissor. It was a sir. I was like, what? And I didn't fuck with it, but that was the first. I didn't fuck with it. I didn't fuck with it, but because this is when we came back from Japan, the lady woke us up because we all jumped on the plane together.

And the lady was like, excuse me, sir. And I was like, what's up? She said, the guy, he didn't move for nine hours. Like, he didn't sneeze. He didn't cough. He just stood still.

Talking about eight months. Yes. I told you the story before. And that was the first time I was like, and then I went to Texas and it was all over Texas.

Is that one of the reasons why you don't get high or fuck with anything? No, I ain't never fucked with nothing. You never fucked with it, period? Not even later. Not like you had

a bad experience. No, no. Okay. So, you know, coming from where we came from in the streets, you know, a lot of people, man, you know, a lot of people

go through reality rather than be the struggle, stress, and you got to realize sometimes them getting high or them sipping put them at ease for the moment.

I'm one of the people I'd rather just go head up with whatever I'm feeling because at that moment it can't get no worse than that. You know what I'm saying?

So, I just always say that I wouldn't because shit, I don't need to mop me personally. One, I like to go against the grain I like to do opposite of what everybody else doing to At the end of day no matter what I did once it well once it well if I still got a face that shit

So I just might as well gone take it chin up That's just like when I got when I like I'm that way with everything so like when I got shot, you know, after the first three, four days of being on pain meds, I'm like, man, I'm going to try and see if I can make it through the night without it. Wing myself from the instant. Like, I just, I tend to just go head up with whatever it is and whatever the outcome. It can't get no worse than whatever it is when it hit me right there in the nose. Yeah, you know, and I always say, you were touching on this earlier

about how people act different when they're in front of the camera and then behind the scenes, all types of things going on. What I appreciate about where we are at this moment in this movement, and especially in my leadership, I don't allow that. And I say to people all the time, I am not perfect. I do drink. hang out I have I like to twerk you might catch me in a club you might catch me going to the strip club like I'm not and I and I refuse because I would hate for people to find out later something about me and

then be you know discouraged or or you know just like wow can't believe that this is who she is so I'm I'm really and not to say that all your business is in the street you know just like wow can't believe that this is who she is so I'm I'm really and not to say that all your business is in the street you know obviously we all got stuff that is your darkest thing that nobody knows about but for the most part I try to be extremely authentic and just put forth the true me so that everybody is really clear so we're not confused later when you catch when you walk past me in the nightclub and you're like, yo, what you doing in here? Yeah, I do the same things that everybody else does.

It's not a front. Nah, yeah. You know, because at the end of the day, it's like people have to understand we human. That's right. So the good thing, like, even in Houston with me, like, man, it got to a point, you know, and Jeezy, you know, he said this to me, like, man, Trey, you went from the supervillain to the superhero. You know what I'm saying?

Make some noise for that. Make some noise for that. The good thing is the reason why I'm so comfortable is because I'm always me. I don't care to impress you. You don't like how I move, how I look, how I roll, how I decide to speak on certain situations, you ain't got to deal with me. You know, I'm not to impress you.

Now, the other thing is a lot of people fall victim to worrying about what the next person think. But guess what? If you bring up situations I've been in, and I be like, yeah, I did did so what's next you don't keep talking about it all like it get the end of the day when you go to start handling people like that they just have to start respecting like look this is what that is and I learned that now you imagine me you see I'm six one six two diamonds

tattoos everywhere you can have 80 year old white women come up to me and touch me to me i just want to feel what one of our heroes feel like you know what i'm saying so it's like are we at a point now which is good for for where we at in life everything is transparent they got they respect us for us like we human like i'm the same one if you say something disrespectful I'm going to be ready to get dead on your ass and I'm not going to be thinking about oh man I can't do this like I don't I'm human one of the first times there was a big controversy

with your name was with Mike Jones was that was something that happened like I don't think we ever even spoke on that yeah you know the reason why I don't because it's like when you from the streets streets should just stay in the streets bros No, it's not it's not to always be broadcast like even when I finally did do an interview It got to a point cuz so many interviews coming from his way. They're like hey, hold on

I'm not gonna just get the bad to me For me, I see you saying that when that incident happened cuz because I'm going to just tell you what I've seen. I was a New York nigga, right? I was a New York nigga. The internet wasn't that big back then, like Twitter and all that shit. All I've just seen was, it was a meme for lack of a better term from back then.

It's like Mike Jones, and you just see Trey, boom, boom, hit him, man. And then he's just laying on over there. Well, you know, we whatever well you know we had we had um we had a few misunderstandings prior and um we were at some point we were gonna end up having to bump into each other that just so happened to be the place that we bumped into each other and a few words were said and i felt some slick was said that I really, that offended me.

And shit happened, and it was what it was. Man, that was normal for us. That's what we do every day. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that changed a lot of shit. You know, even to this day, man, I'm always going to be the Lord of Julia Beverly, because you got to realize at that point, that's damn near after that.

That's when Ozone damn near stopped at that point. You know what I'm saying? So definitely, that was probably one of the last awards. That was at the Ozone Awards. Yeah, it was at the Ozone Awards. That was y'all awards. That was y'all awards, bro. I'm glad y'all fucked it up. That's how things are.

But you know, even to this day, just keeping it silent, man. I'm glad y'all fucked it up. I'm glad y'all fucked it up. You know New York people fucking up that shit. But you know, even to this day, just keeping it silent, man. I don't have no hate towards it. Man, I really passed that day. I ain't really thought about that shit. That's why you never really kissed me when we were going back and forth, the music. Like, man, that shit normal to me. So, you know, in other people's world, certain shit go on and they got to ride that to the end.

That's what's going to help them live. Like, man, I got too much other shit going on. Because guess what? As soon as we were done with that, we were dealing with some other shit in the hood that had nothing to do with this. You know what I'm saying? How'd you hook up with T.I. um so me and T.I. had we had all already previously chopped it up a few times you know I think I was doing some mixtapes back in the day called Slow Lying and Banging with my little brother J-Tons called Slab and um Paul Wall had ended up sending me his

number one time and you know he had got on it this is right when tip was coming back with c i mean coming with serious and still ain't forgetting myself records and um you know time went by i was just always mutual but when he got locked up i was um damn who was uh man i'm trying to think of who it was. And the name is on the tip of my tongue. It'll come because she one of the homies for real. She a solid one. But long story short, I gave a message and she sent word to him. And just telling him to hold his head, you know, like.

He was locked up. Yeah, yeah, hold your head. You know, anything needed, let us know, you know. We in full support. And he sent the message back, like, keep giving him hell needed, let us know, you know, we in full support, and he's, he sent the message back, like, keep giving them hell, keep doing your thing, man, you know, I salute you, and time went by, and Pee Wee, I don't know if you know who Pee Wee is, Pee Wee, Pee Wee used to always be, he was on that TV show with Tip, That's how a lot of people end up learning of Pee Wee. He'd be back and forth between Tip, Thug, Bird.

It was all one circle. But Pee Wee was heavy on it. Like, man, Trey, we got to get you over here. Bill B and B Rich came to Houston. So when they came, they just seen how my movement was. And they went back with the same thing. Tip ended up sending for me to come out there just to chop it up, man. I love it.

Yeah, and it's so crazy. People don't understand where I come from. It's just a different type of cold and loyalty that we stand on. It was like in the midst of that, Tip was reaching out to me at a time where, if you deal with Trey, radio-wise, they going to cut off any artists you got.

They going to cut off any business you got. You can't do car. It was just like, a red flag. That's how it was when I messed with 50, you know what I mean?

But, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's documented. But, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it was a red flag. You know, with anything. I'm talking about this. You can lose your whole career if you decide to stand side by side.

You sure you don't want to run this ace, man? This black's excellence is great. I'm just being honest, man. I'm enjoying y'all. I'm enjoying it. Cool, cool, cool. We had a conversation. He was like, hey, man, I can't promise we could fix it but at the end of the day

I definitely want to stand side by side with you and whatever happens and whatever comes about out the situation whether good or bad we just gonna roll with it but let me stop you right there because all these artists right now are doing it, doing your platform without radio. Right now. Like, they're taking your method. That's what you're saying, like, you know, he said for 12 years he's banned from radio. Yeah, yeah. So you got to realize, let me clarify.

So what was he using? What was he using, like SoundCloud? No, let me clarify. Not just banned from radio. See, a lot of people thought like, oh man, they just want to his record like nah, you can't you can't be caught pictures with me. You can't you can't Concerts you can't do features with me. You can't do But even when I was saving people lives Wow. Wow. If you, if they found out you was with me,

then they gonna treat you some type of way. And the funny thing is, it be like, who is they? Yeah, who is they? Who is they? Because the same thing happened to me.

You know, I went to Saviour's Day with Minister Farrakhan. Wow. And the mere fact that I was there and that there was a picture that I had posted

two, three years before. Make some noise for the light floor. She was there and that there was a picture that I had posted two, three years before. Make some noise for the light floor. She was with me. That's our Jesus. Come on, let's go. And like two or three years before that, I posted a picture. It might have been his birthday. I don't know.

And I said he was the GOAT, right? And they found that and put it together with the fact that I was at the event and then somehow tied that with me being an anti-Semite and that I hated Jews and the Jewish community. There were some who were like really seriously concerned, right, because of things that they heard Minister Farrakhan say. And, you know, there was there's that tension that has been there for a long time. And there was some that was concerned and we had to have some conversations. But there were others who literally was using it to try to destroy me, right?

Because there is the same thing for Minister Farrakhan if you're seeing with him or, you know, you're working with him or you say anything. They was cheating trade like Farrakhan. Right, and you say anything. We were used to across the world. Right, and you say anything positive about him and what he has done in the community because there is no doubt.

People can say whatever they want and whatever concerns that folks have about some of Minister Farrakhan's rhetoric and his tone, those things, they should have those conversations. I support that 100%. Fine. But you will not take away from the man what he has done in our communities, period.

So that was what I stood on. That I wasn't, you know, I can't, I don't agree with everything that anybody says. You know what I'm saying? You already said something today that I can't wait till the show is over so I can tell you about how. That's what's going on, man. I'm in, I'm in. But I'm just saying Nobody agrees with me I don't agree with my mama

It's like trying to silence Instead of having dialogue with people Right So that happened But then it got transferred to me So at this point To your point Anybody who would work with me

Became like hot pocket You know what I'm saying It was like You can't be in a picture with Tamika If I was going to speak at an event, they would call the school beforehand.

The they would call the school beforehand and get me canceled. This is $20,000 and $30,000 speaking again. Oh, please.

No, it wasn't. What are you talking about? It wasn't. He always said that. Don't listen to my son. Don't listen to my son. Don't listen to my son. Let me tell you something. Don't listen to my son. Don't listen to my son. Don't listen to my son. Let me tell you something.

Don't listen to my son. It was not 20, and this is a smart camera right here. Yes. It was not 20 and $30,000 speaking. You got it. Exactly. About 10 and 15.

Because you know. It was 10 and 15. When you go say people making 20 and $30,000 for a speech, honey, first of all, cousins will be calling like, you got to keep that in the bag. Yeah, I got to deal with this guy saying I'm rich all the time.

You are rich. You guys are rich. But this is different. No, this was a prominent time, and I was there with her during the situation. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it was very weird for me. And I'd never seen nothing like this.

I had never experienced this. No, at at first my son told me I was being dramatic it was dramatic like what are you talking about and he said he said you're being dramatic and so what a few people cancel you from speaking in a few places that happened cause listen at that point I was on tour with her

like you know we had a thing I would do spoken word so you said you wasn't seeing what she was going through no I seen it. But no, when it first happened, right? When it first happened, I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, she had just did the Women's March. She was on everywhere.

Everybody was like, oh, this is our leader, this and that. So she's like, oh, leader. They showing up with Mr. Farrakhan. That's Farrakhan. Like, he's come to the hood. He cleaned up. He's cleaned up dope fiends and turned them into entrepreneurs. and new It's like this is a person the only one we see coming to our To change black life

We literally watched this man change people that they said was nothing and turned them into Prominent members like of our community like what are you talking about? What did they talk? I don't even understand what this is happening So she's like yeah, this was going on and I'm like, yeah, whatever. And the next thing you know, we were supposed to be going on to this school to speak and this and that. And I'm like, all right. So they canceled one. We're like, good.

We got 30 more. It was never good to me. I'm like, don't worry about it. They just not with us. And then they canceled all 30. So y'all identify who they is? The they. We don't, we, that's it.

Is it the JDL? No, well, well, well, well, absolutely. But the, what they wanted us to believe, and this is a war that they have

tried to maintain between the black and Jewish community forever. They wanted us to believe that it was the Jewish community

that hated me. Right? So they tried to make it because as long as they can keep two historically oppressed communities, if you will, because you know what the Jewish community has been through and they use triggers to get people in that community upset. And then, you know, you become the face of the violence that they have suffered and anti-Semitism. And then, of course, black folks, our concerns from slumlords, you know, from, you know, you know, the man that owns your building. Pushing stereotypes on each community. You know, exactly, exactly. Pushing stereotypes.

You know, the man that owned the building in your community, he was Jewish and the building never had heat and it didn't have this. So they create these things to keep these two communities apart. Right? But the truth is it really wasn't the entire Jewish community because so many of them became my friends. They came to my aid. They taught me what I didn't know.

They helped me understand their concerns. And we worked together. You got Nick Cannon first. I got Nick Cannon first. I talked to Nick deeply about it. Okay. In public and Cannon first. I got Nick Cannon first. I talked to Nick deeply about it. Okay. In public and in private. And I think those same tactics are used between the black and Latino community as well. And it's used in the black community.

The bougie versus the non, it's a whole thing. But the truth was when we got down to it, the they, it's actually people who, you know who they are? The motherfuckers that was running up the side of the wall at the Capitol, right, on January 6th. Because it's the same thing with Trey. It might look on the face that it was people from the black community who were trying to stop him. But the reality is that they know our power. And when they know your power, and they know you have the ability to bring people together. Because if you think about my situation at this time

I was the black woman who in fact yesterday was the four-year anniversary of the women's march If the four-year anniversary of the Women's March with five million people marched around the world Against Trump and fascism and racism and sexism and all those things. So here I am, a black woman who is standing in the center of white women. Because it was a white women's movement, if you will, at that time. Right?

Period. We all know it. It was basically populated, the women's march, with white women. So now I'm standing there talking about Palestine, saying that, you know, what's happening in Palestine is wrong.

I'm standing there telling white women, welcome to our world. Now, all of a sudden, you feel the pain of, you know, when someone comes into office who you believe

is not there for your best interest. We've been dealing with that. I'm talking about police brutality. I'm bringing Trayvon's mother to the rally. I'm bringing trayvon's mother to the rally i'm bringing sandra bland's mother to the rally they were like hell no so they were waiting for something and at the moment that they caught me at an event that i've been going to my entire life i grew up in harlem and manhattanville housing projects going to the mosque number seven

was the thing to do. You know what I'm saying? Khaled, Conrad Muhammad, that was the place to go for black freedom and liberation. I never once in my mind sat and listened to a speech that was being stated

at the Nation of Israel, at the mosque, and went away saying I hated Jewish people. That just wasn't a thing that ever happened to me. So I really didn't understand. But there were people who came to me and they helped me

to see what they were seeing. And I realized that the issue was history. I mean, this is eons of history that has to be dealt with. It has to be dealt with on both sides. Because I believe that while again like i

stated palestine that's an issue for me we traveled there we saw the atrocity that is happening to the palestinian people and so when they heard me speaking they saw me we saw we i we i spoke somewhere i don't remember where it was but i I was telling the white women, like, don't just come with your pink pussy hat. Show up for me. Las Vegas. I was saying, I mean, it was one of my good ones. You know, I was talking good shit. My son.

She's got bars. This is good. It was lit. I was in their ass. And the white woman was standing in the bleachers like, yes, that's it, that's it. That's it. I got off the stage and my son and Linda Sarsour, our other co-founder, Until Freedom, they both walked up to me and said, this shit is about to blow.

Something bad is going to happen. They knew. They were like. Because that's what they do. That's what they do to our leaders, right? They exalt you. They put you up. you up on this pedestal just to chop you down, right?

So, when I heard her calling out and actually calling white America to face what they've done to black people, right? When I seen her and I seen white people embrace that, right? I said, you too dangerous. It's just like what they did to Malcolm. They said, no one man should have all that power. When they look, I said you too dangerous like it's just like what they did to my phone they said no one man should have all that pop when he looked I said I said to myself I told her she got that stage I said this is not and it was cuz the

white woman's like that's right we need to fix what we need to fix You're taking a shot this time. You're taking a shot this time. Let me say one thing about that. No, no, no. You're taking a shot. Oh, I'm not taking a shot. Okay, but you can't let me lose my point. Got it. Okay. So, she is.

I like how you got the trace on the side. I got to have that. But I'm about to do it again because I have a book coming out. It's called State of Emergency. Charlemagne would kill me. You know, Charlemagne has a publishing company now. and i have the first book that's being released from his imprint um it's called black and kevin hart together right no no this is his own imprint at simon and schuster and my book is the first book to be released on black privilege it's called state of

emergency and this book is basically all the stuff i was saying at that time um in one body of work where i'm basically talking through the history of 400 plus years of how we got to this point and a prescription for change like what we can do angela davis and cardi b they are in conversation in my forward they're talking to one another. So it's going to be a powerful book. Angela Davis and Cardi B. That's a conversation. You said Angela Davis? Dr. Angela Davis and Cardi B

are in conversation together in my book. Where Cardi is basically saying I can't. Well, actually she is. Actually she't talking about whopping or nothing like that, right? You got to relax. Well, actually, she is. Really? Actually, she is.

That's the whole point. Because, you know, I feel like I am, and Trey, he knows. He's always on me. Like, stop being so much Cardi. Like, he, because they think I'm supposed to be, like, I don't know. Like, I'm me.

Trey be like, Trey be like, oh, sit down, sis. Let me tell you what he say, but come on, sis, because you know we ain't going to play about you. Right. You know what I'm saying? They like, come on, sis, because you know we ain't going to play about you. Right. You know what I'm saying? They be on me all the time, monitoring my moves. That's brother. We got to be on some brother shit when we got you.

I love the way Trey do it, like, we ain't going to play about you. Trey called me on the phone. I don't know what that outfit is you got on the internet, but you need to tone that down. I'm posting a bathing suit picture today. But anyway. That's brother shit. That's brother shit. that's brother shit.

I do it all the time. I mean like Tamika, she put pictures every day. I'm young, I'm single, if I can do it, I want it. That's right, I'm young and I'm single. On Drink Champs, I'm young. That's my character. I thought you were talking Mr. Lee and shit. But, shit y'all made me lose my point.

I was talking about the book I was saying that I think I find myself being a mix between Cardi B and Angela Davis so when I was thinking of who could I bring to this conversation I felt like they were the best people and I'm so thankful

that both of them agreed because Cardi is basically saying to Angela Davis am I is it okay for me to sit at the table with you you know can we both fight for freedom together even though i'm not as perfect as you are and angela davis responds and it's i won't tell you what she said but it's incredible you gotta buy the book and you can pre-order it right now um but it's actually going to be released on may 11th but it can be preordered right now and the reason why I'm telling this story

is to say to the point of how we look at Trey and we see him pulling 70,000 people together and he didn't need one radio spot to do it that at the time at the time it felt like the end of my life.

In fact, I got addicted to, what do you call them, pain pills. I had to go to a drug treatment program. Perpocets and shit? All that, Xanax. Huh? I don't know. No, Xanax and all of that. That's what you was talking about.

That's what you was talking about. He came back home because he thought he was talking about it. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't on that at all. He can't get it out because he thought he was talking to her. I wasn't on that at all. I wasn't on that at all. But because I was depressed. I was depressed because, like he said, it was one speaking engagement canceled for some stuff that I didn't even say. They were trying to tie me to somebody else's words and put it on me.

And whenever the oppressor can't kill you with the truth, they'll lie. Exactly. So they start making up lies. I was stealing money from my organization. You know, they did everything. So I got really, really depressed. And I thought it was the end of the world. I mean, I really thought it was the end of the world and I mean I really thought it was the end of the world along with a number of other individuals my dear friends people who I love and I have to say Yandy Smith Harris. Yandy Smith. Let's make some noise for Yandy Smith. Yandy Smith Harris. Yandy's one of my closest friends.

And Yandy, again, that's the same thing with her. I was worried because Yandy and my manager, Toya Bond, they are partners and their company manages me. People don't even know that, that Yandy's actually a part

of my management team. And I wanted them to drop me as a client because I was worried about them losing contracts because of what was happening to me. But they stood with me all the way, 10 toes down. And one speaking engagement being canceled is cool. But by the time I got to 30 speaking engagements canceled, I was calling friends asking for money. And this wasn't five years ago I'm talking about last year last December I sent a text message out to a number of friends saying send money because I'm not going to make it I don't know what I'm going to do and look at how

God will turn things around and so the point is that today what I thought was the end of the world actually it was a test to see whether or not I could stand up to this moment I was being asked to denounce a black man right that I know has done great work in our community who I still can say I don't agree with about things that he has said right and I said I won't do it y'all can take all the speaking engage you can take everything you want but as far as I was concerned, black men have been denounced in this country. Like this nation has denounced the black man. So how can I

as a black woman who has a 21 year old black son and a father stand up and say I denounce a black man. That's not language that I can use. I'm not going to denounce the black man who killed somebody. I'm not going to denounce the black man who did somebody. I'm not going to denounce the black man who did anything. I will say, I don't agree with you and you're wrong and you need to be held accountable for whatever you did, but I'll never use your language as white

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It's too long of a story, but I'll say this. My parents used to take me to rallies in Harlem, as I said. So we went to the mosque. My mom and I went to church on Sunday. And, of course, I grew up in the National Action Network, which was Reverend Al Sharpton's organization. I worked for him for 14 years. I became the youngest ever executive director of all the major civil rights organizations in the country. And I did that for four years.

And then I decided I was ready to try to do it on my own and so I left um when I was young it was like your parents making you go to church I was pissed all the time and I ran away from home I rebelled heavily against it I got pregnant and so I just told you my son is 21. So basically my son and I grew up together. He saved my life. If it had not been for him, I don't know where I would be. Let's give a drink to that all on the count of three. One, two, three.

He did. His name is Tariq and he saved my life and thankfully Trey and my son are his mentors who deal with him every day because he and I cannot, we just can't. We're getting better now.

Now he has his own place. We're getting better now. Now he has his own place. We're getting much better. But there was a point when Trey had to call me a few weeks ago and he's like, sis, you can't just not talk to him. Like, you have to talk to your son.

And he deals with my son on a regular basis. And so, thank God for them. But when I was young, I didn't want to be in the movement. And then his father was murdered. He was two years old. His father was shot and killed he was left in a ditch for two weeks and a woman walking her dog found him and that's how we

ended up finding out he was dead and so this was in Pennsylvania so he's from Harlem also so he's from Washington Heights. So when... Dominican? He's not... This is not a year moment. This is not a year moment. Come on! He's not Dominican. He's not Dominican. Yeah, right. Look at her.

Sorry, sir. He's from Washington Heights. In the three buildings. What's them? Those buildings on top of the bridge. Y'all know what I'm talking about. Yeah. So anyway, he,

so he was killed. He was killed. God bless. And at the point that he died, what my parents had been forcing me to do in terms of taking me to the rallies,

it all came together. Because I was trying to figure out like, why is he dead? I didn't get it. Like I know, okay, he's dead because

some drug dudes and a thing and they killed him and he was involved in something he shouldn't have been involved, I got that. But I'm saying there's a larger context to it. And I started really trying to understand it. And what I basically thought to myself was that his mom and dad were perpetual drug abusers.

They had been in and out of prison, great people, just couldn't get it together. And imagine if the system then would have said that it was an epidemic and deserved the type of resources they're giving white kids right now who are addicted to opioids. Imagine if they got therapy, counseling, and they could just show up somewhere and say, I have a problem, and people would put them on a couch

and do, you know, and help them. They didn't have that. The way in which they dealt with drugs was putting them in jail, back and forth. And even though he had great grandparents who did everything they could, it's not the same. It wasn't enough. They just couldn't, he couldn't get himself together. And unfortunately he fell victim to the system. And so at that point I took on what my parents were trying to tell me I was like oh this is what the movement is about I'm supposed

to be fighting against gun violence well fighting to stop gun violence and all of that well you know I had listen I had a life I wasn't like I said I rebelled so I was in the street I was a little

a little extra regular teenager I was I was a little a little extra I was a little I was a little worse than a regular teenager I always say you know during that time when I wanted to be

in the street I wanted to marry a drug dealer cause that's what I thought was cool you know that's what I saw I was watching

Paid in Full so I was like yeah like you know that was what I thought was the right thing I've been paid in full and then I've been like you know that's that was what I thought was the right thing I'm 43 man keep it real I'm 40 that's that's right. But anyway, that's my storyline. There's a lot to it, and I've been through a lot of things,

but I will just say that the most gratifying part of what it is that I do is that my story is what actually makes me who I am. All right. You know, so... Ooh!

That was a right answer. Thank you! That was a right answer. That was a right answer. What I was saying, right, until you brought me into the battle and I had to break all of that down. Because Gilly

went at you too. Yeah, we're going to talk about that. Just be clear. There's a lot of inconsistencies and misconceptions about that situation. Okay, yeah.

I just want to throw that out there. What I was saying, I don't want to ask you to forget because I'm not out there. What I was saying... You said I forgot. I don't want to let you forget. You don't forget, bring it back up. I'm not forgetting. I promise you I'm not forgetting.

But I have to call Gilly up. We can do that too. Gilly's my guy. Yeah, yeah, that was hilarious, by the way. What I was saying was the reason why we started Until Freedom, right, was literally because we realized there was a culture divide like the thing that you said when you said the preacher was telling you to do this and you saw all these things and you didn't see yourself in the movement and for us it was like you know what we come from

the community we come from the hood we wanted like she said we want to go to the strip club we in the hood you might catch me at a block party. You know, having a, but you're not going to talk to me crazy because I might go in your mouth. Like, I'm going to get you fired. I'm not going to shoot you and kill you because I don't want to do that. But sometimes you got to discipline. There's a level of discipline. There's respect for men.

I'm from the old school. Can you please remember, because how, how is hard is it for you two brothers to keep that balance? You know what I'm saying? Because the thing about it is, on one hand, we preaching like, yo, man, you know, black excellence, man. Everybody, you know. But there is nothing motherfucking heads. Exactly. That's why. But the thing is this.

That's Bozo Lino. They not as bad as me. No, she's a little worse than that. I will let a motherfucker know. Quick. It be dudes, the fucker? Nah. Yes, I do. What are you talking about? She's going to say than that. I will let a motherfucker know. Quick. It be dudes? Nah. Yes I do.

What are you talking about? She's going to say it is. It is dudes. But we usually address all of those things when it comes to dudes. When it's female situations, we try to just, you know, get in the middle.

But the reality of the situation is when you look at boxers, that's black excellence. We celebrate all our black boxers that have exceeded. It's not wrong. Sometimes you got to knuckle up. If you talk crazy to me,

look, I don't want to shoot you. I'm not going to stab you. I don't want to take your life. We might need to go in the corner and get five minutes because we feel a type of way. I believe that's part of what black excellence is. If you feel this type of way. I believe that's part of

what black excellence is. If you feel this way so much that we can't have a conversation to come to agreement to what you saying yo, I apologize or this and that. Somebody might have to get beat up and we can shake hands. Remember when we was in school

and used to fight and your mother like you're going to fight him and you all shake hands and you all go home. Except what you and Troy have? No, but that's a different thing because I know he don't want to fight me. You understand what I'm saying? We're just not the same type of individual, right.

I think for me, right, the Troy Ave situation because it's not really... I'm not talking about the other beef, I'm talking about I think... Because he technically did not tell yet. Not yet. See, that's the thing.

So, the thing is this. I understand the reality. We from the streets, right? Right. So, what happens is before you tell there's a... Now in this social media era there's a preparation for telling.

Right? What if he doesn't? If he doesn't then I can say you didn't tell and I can say you know I was wrong. But I know what it looks like. That's real. You understand?

Listen to me. He's in the air right now. Yeah, I'm mad enough to stand on what I stand on. You know what I mean? That's real. So, when you start saying, yo, why I got to be loyal to the streets? The streets ain't done nothing for me.

I'm already thinking that's... They did this to me. I'm supposed to let me go to jail? Okay, cool. If that's your I don't have anything wrong with that And I don't want you to be loyal to anything I just don't

After you tell on somebody Just don't say that you're gang Don't try to Make people believe That you're tough after that The thing about it is this When When you sitting there

Listen And you sitting there And you yelling gang And you yelling all that You got to face everything that come with that. But that's what we know. You're not yelling that. That's it.

This is totally different thing. I had these conversations. I was in a totally different way. You're supposed, when you are a citizen, right? Yeah. That's Pharrell. That's Pharrell. I didn't take it on for sure.

Like Pharrell, that's what I said. Pharrell said the same thing. Pharrell said I'm not doing that. I'm not a citizen. And I expected Pharrell to I didn't take your offense. Like Pharrell, that's what I said. Pharrell said the same thing. Pharrell said I'm not doing it. I'm not a shooter. And I expected Pharrell to go to the office because he pays taxes. The police are supposed to... He ain't making no money off the books.

He ain't making no money in the streets where he threatened people's lives. My very first encounter with Pharrell was he quoted Blood Money to me, which is a gangster rhyme. And this is the first time I ever met him. And he rhymed it. As soon as the whole verse, and I ever met him and he rhymed it as soon as the whole verse and I looked at the thing because I don't even really know the whole verse

and I'm like damn, I don't know what better to be almost like, you know what I mean? I was like oh shit, and as soon as he was finished he's like yo, I want you to know I've got a thug bone in my body. I respected that, like from there I was like all right cool. It was music man. He just said it was music. It was music. You know what I'm saying like listen, I'm going to be honest with you and this is my man, but me was music for him. He just said it was music. You know what I'm saying like listen, I'm going to be honest with you

and this is my man. But me and him, that's all we have in common is music. And there's nothing... I don't have nothing else in common with him. But that's great, that lets you know how great music is. But what I'm trying to say is that's the difference like when you yell at a certain thing and then

the opposite, that's the problem. That's the problem with me it's just like being a man you stand on what you stand on. You know what I'm saying? I got friends, they don't have a gangsta boy in their body, never been in the streets. Some of them is police officers. I got friends that just only go to college.

I got friends, if I go walk down the street, I know if we get jumped, they're going to run. I don't have no issues. I have no issue with the dude that like, yo, we're going to get it in. We're going to get busy. I got to bust my gut and this and that that and then when we get it in and something happens you run. You not who you say you

just be who you say you are and I'm okay with that. It's totally different. And that's a totally different thing. Gangsta is being who you are to me. Gangsta is not being tough. My man that work for the garbage truck. He take out garbage he say I'm gonna own my family. And somebody beat him up he tell. He tell, that's what's different.

Like, alright, cool, bro. Y'all see him in his garbage truck. That's how you build to a rate, right? I mean, to sum it up, just stand on your team. You know, at the end of the day, whatever you... On what your principles are. Yeah, whatever you feel or whatever you display, just stand on it. Don't backpedal. You know what I'm saying? You can't, because pressure hit, now all of a sudden, like,

oh, shit, let me get out the way. I don't need that right. Like, sometimes you bring that pressure. So if you bring that pressure, you got to stand on your team and face whatever coming at you. Whether that may mean you may take the L out the situation. You can't because that's the thing.

Nowadays, a lot of people pick and choose what they do because they got to make sure they're going to take the win. You got to think just from a street aspect. That's the reason why a lot of people get shot. A lot of niggas ain't willing to take no ass whooping. You know what I'm saying? They that scared of an L, they'll risk their life so they don't take it.

My thing is just stand on your team, whatever that may be. Because same thing with my segment, I got people from all different walks of life. The difference is, I don't expect them to do shit for me. I don't need them to fight my battle so you can be yourself

and I'm going to be good regardless. I know how to handle my business. You know what I'm saying? But that's really it. Just stand on your team. What I do want to be good regardless. I know how to handle my business. You know what I'm saying? But that's really it. Just stay out of your team. What I do want to address is you just said... Look, you just said

is it hard doing what we do in black excellence? There's no difference. Like, just because I'm out here on the front line fighting for people, I was doing that back then. People get used to the type of power you have and would only use it on a negative type of

vibe. Yeah, I think the reason I'm addressing this is because I don't want that. That's like me and my son, right? We got an album that we recorded in Kentucky. We living in Kentucky fighting for Breonna. We left the family. And we did it in two days. Let's make some noise for that. They was acting like they was doing something. I ain't heard the album yet.

I heard a few tracks. I don't know what they really did. I'll let y'all know when. So, you know, we left our families and we literally moved to Kentucky, you know, fighting with the people of Kentucky. And in the process, we on the front line so much, we don't have time to do music.

So we had my engineer, Watson, come out, and we did an album within two days. But the reason I bring it up, because some people sense it like, oh, y'all, what kind of music y'all going to be doing because y'all on the front line fighting for the people. Like, nigga, I'm going to do the same. You're going to hear the same. Niggas, fuck you and whatever.

And at the end of the day, I'm going to give you, because the thing is I've been giving them real music before they start seeing us fight for the people. You know what I'm saying? And it's going to continue to be that. Like, I'm not going to,'t I wouldn't feel comfortable change and not being me I'm not gonna sit here up here like say I'm not gonna make street music or the music because that's what I was like that's what I know what do you mean

by that you know that new version of, you know, activism. Can I be honest with you bro? I hate when people call me activist. I hate when people call me anything. So what do you think this is? I don't need... There's no new version of Brian and Malcolm. Just do what you do.

You know, standing by the people. What word do we call that? You know what's crazy? Well, no, I mean you can say activist. I'm an organizer. So that's different you can say activist. I'm an organizer. So that's different from being an activist.

An activist, anybody's an activist. When you feel like something is bothering you and you want to jump in and, you know, you could do online activism. You could put boots on the ground. You could raise money, send money, do all of that. That makes you an activist an organizer is somebody who can make those opportunities for you to get involved possible so we put together we create the movement we're the strategists if you will and so I'm an organizer but all of us are organizers and I and have become that over time I'm not an organizer organizer. I'm so disorganized. My organizing is so disorganized. I am

more of an activist in leadership because I have I know how to move. I'm so disorganized. That's one of my things that I have to work on. Her, Linda, they are our organizers. Within Until Freedom, which I was trying

to say before, I missed it. But within Until Freedom, I was trying to say Before I missed it But until Within Until Freedom Tamika and Linda organized Like I come up with Ideas Strategies I want to go out there

I'm going to stand On the front line Me and Trey Going to be out there What y'all need us to do We out there We going to put our bodies On the line

We going to utilize Our platforms Our voices We got y'all We going to hold y'all down That's what we do But when it comes to Organizing The shit that We come up with utilize our platforms, our voices. We got y'all. We're going to hold y'all down. That's what we do. But when it comes to organizing the shit that we come up with,

that's their strategy. They're very strategic. They are very strategic in that. Shit that we probably don't take the time to map out A, B, C, D. We may be focused on A and B. They thinking of E and F. We thinking of how we finna run through this shit and call here. You got a job, you got a walk,

you got to go this way, you got to go that way. That's just when women touch anything. That's foresight, too. I was just going to say that. That's just naturally with women. If you go all the way back, women always play a part in that. Anything.

What I did want to say is that's just like, so even with the activists, I hate when people say, hey man, I'm watching y'all in politics. I'm not in politics. I don't like politics. I do what I want to do, how I want to do it. I'm not following the rules.

And I'm not going to do what you need me to do so we can be aight. Like, no, I'm going to do what I do and you're going to accept it or you ain't going to accept it. So I guess a lot of these titles, I just kind of stray away from. And funny story, me and T.I. argue about it all the time, right? And he'll be like, hey bro, man, that shit you're doing is so much more bigger than the music. And I used to argue with him like, nigga, don't man, that shit you're doing is so much more bigger than the music. And I used to argue with him, like, nigga, don't try and make me stop rapping right now.

Just put me in a motherfucking box to. But all the while, this is just naturally me. I'm just going to help people regardless, and I'm going to jump out there for people. But I'm still going to be me. I feel like I got to a point where we figured out how to master being us and combining it as one. I ain't gonna let nobody put me in the bracket like I refuse. You know what I'm saying? I think I know what he means. You know what let's all just take a break. So we can just all come back. Let's all take a break.

And this is something that we've been talking about internally for a while now. I'm trying to start a movement with my niggas. Your niggas? Excuse me, sorry. No, no, excuse you. My people don't call each other niggas... Your niggas didn't say no, no excuse you. Don't call each other niggas. Okay, so let's... We replaced the word. It's a meaning called

yande. Yande means like a king. And, you know, I was using the word yande, not knowing there was actually an African meaning to it. Okay. So, we've been trying. So, where do y'all stand on this? Just the other day,

I called my son, Trey and my son just released, um, one of the videos on the album that they worked on. And so I went to the until freedom out organizations page. I don't run it. Linda does. And I went on there and I,

and the, and then I clicked the video to watch it and listen to it. And they negative, negative, negative. I said video to watch it and listen to it, and they niggered this, nigger that, nigger that. I said, I called my son, I said, is there another clip that y'all can send that we can actually use to post? And I said no. And he said no. We ain't no other clip.

Yeah, because sometimes it's not time to say brother. So what I want to say is this. If they don't accept it, then they don't, they're just like, I ain't for you. But my thing is this, right? Well, I got a debate for this, but go ahead. This is definitely a debate, right? And I don't have a problem

with the debate, right? Because we understand the origin of the word nigga. We understand where it came from, how it's been used to oppress our people, to demean our people. But we also have to realize

that at some point, our people embrace that and we utilize it as a form, a symbolism of unity, right? To where we utilize it, that's my nigga, right? So, you don't get to tell me what something means to me

and the people I'm talking to, right? If you think about language, right? Language, the same word means different things in different languages. That's what language is. Language is only a level of communication, a form of communication between the people

that you in that language are familiar with, right? Because in Spanish, they have words, right, that mean different in English and Spanish, right? And they pronounce the same exact way, right, that mean different in English and Spanish, right? And they pronounce the same exact way, right? So, nigga is one of those words in our colloquialism, right? We've used that in our colloquialism in our communities to embrace

each other. It's just a word that we use, right? So, people get so caught up in, oh, you use the word. And I'm like, I'm talking to the boy on the corner that when him and his friend talk, the only word they use to talk to each other is nigga, right? I need them to come to the movement.

I'm not trying to get you. You already here. You talk, oh, I can't believe you. You don't need to believe me, bro. The movie used to be to save the babies. Exactly. But my thing is this. It's not just the babies.

It's what babies, right? Because I know that the word... So when you're already toxic? Not just toxic, I know that when I use the word nigga and I go on a call,

what's up, my nigga, you good? When my nigga look, oh, what's up? I just seen you over here. I just seen you with this person. I just seen you and you not so far removed to where you come in here

talking to a language, a language to us that we don't even identify with or talk to. I don't have to try to be something i'm not like you're fluent in speaking exactly so what i'm trying to say is it may not be your method right because there's a lot of people that use methods to do shit that i don't agree with right there's a lot of people that dress ways and talk ways that i don't agree with i I don't, it's a lot of my idols who have vocabularies that's

far beyond the community. But I love them. Some of the words they say, I don't know what the fuck they're talking about, right? I gotta look it up. But I love them because it makes me push myself. Some people don't want to be pushed. They want you to meet them where they are, right? So I don't judge you because you talk a language

that most of the people where I'm from don't care about, right? I don't think that you even communicate or care about. I'm not that you don't care about, but I know that the language that you're using does not communicate with the people that I'm trying to save. I don't judge you and say you're doing something wrong. I don't judge nobody. If your method is working for you,

if you are changing lives, if you're changing... When I go on my DMs, it's 16, 15, 14, 13-year-old kids that's like, damn, I listen to you, and I want to change my life. I was in this lifestyle, and I want to change, beloved. What do I need to do?

That means what I'm doing is working. Whether you agree on the method I'm doing it, everybody, it's a different direction to get to the same location, right? I don't got to travel the way you travel. If what I wasn't doing, if what I'm doing is not effective,

then talk to me. I know what I'm doing is effective. So, if the word nigga is all you got to talk about, if all it did you got to tell me is that I need to stop doing the word nigga, I'm doing something right. You did a rally. I think it was a grand concourse.

You had the Latin kings, the blondes. So, you had to speak to them? You had to speak to them where they at because I know that. Because my form of communication, right, my form of activism, my form of leadership is understanding.

I say when I was 15 and 16, how would you have had to have a conversation with me for me to get it? Not just... You could have came with the right robe. You could have came with the suit and this white robe and these big words. Because I'm going to look at you like, who is this bozo?

First of all, your whole approach to me is going to be wrong, right? So when the dude, that's why we got into the street. Because the drug dealer was the most successful person we had, right? I was lucky enough to have drug dealers that had a sense of consciousness, right? To where they didn't want they was trying to keep the young boys out of the streets. They would give us money rather than give us packs.

You know what I'm saying? They didn't want to give us packs. Oh, you want to get some money? Youngblood here, take a pack. Nah. Oh, you play ball and you smart, right? I'm listening to you. You're 12, 13. You smart. We want to make sure you get to college. You need some new sneakers? Oh, you need money to go to camp. You're 12, 13. You're smart. We want to make sure you get to college. You need some new sneakers or you need money to go to camp, we're going to give you that.

Those are the OGs I was around. I was lucky enough to have those levels of OGs. But I understand if they had had something else on their mind, they could have derailed me another way. So when I have the conversations with the 13, 14, 15, 16-year-olds, I'm like, I want to talk to you in a manner Derail me another way so when I have the conversations with the 13 14 15 16 year olds

I'm like I want to talk to you in a manner that I know that you're gonna receive it not the way I'm trying to force feed you something because I think you should accept the way I'm doing. No That's not how you communicate with people. You don't communicate people how you think or you want them Oh, well, I'm not saying the word nigga and I'ma say I'ma use these words these big words that you never heard and you gotta accept it if that works for you

I'm not knocking it maybe you might change some lives with that I know it wouldn't have worked with me so understanding that that wouldn't have worked with me

I come to these young people the way that I know it would have worked with me. So, there's going to be... Everybody got a different perspective on it. But the important part is being yourself

because that goes to what you're saying. You have to be authentic at the same time. You're not going to be faking something that you think is going to resonate. My thing, just like we on Drink Champs now, you may see us on Instagram, on TV. Guess what? When I leave here, I go right back to my city,

and I'm in every hood and every community dealing with real life. So I'll be damned if I don't be myself and continue to speak on what I'm going through. You know what I'm saying? I'm just blessed like how Mike said. I'm blessed. I understand what it is Being part of the old law and being the real big homie a real big homie is you grab some of the little homies under you

Under your wing or in the head like hey man that yeah, I'm not bro Take this shit that route like on it at least give yourself a chance But I understand the pressure hit and it's nothing else that can be done You got to do what you got to do to feed your family. See, the thing is, I don't walk away to understand what the reality is because, shit, I've been there. And we got a song on our album that speaks to that,

called Come As You Are. Yeah, I'm accepting. Oh, y'all really did do something? Oh, yeah, we was working. Oh, while y'all was acting? While y'all was acting? So I got an album coming out with Mozzy.

All my shit is back to the normal shit. But the thing is, if you ever pay attention to my music, I always get you the real. That's what make people, I think that's why people even gravitate to me doing what I do or just me as a person is because I always been me. I never try to be nothing else, man.

I can't. The only thing I want to say on the nigga thing, and, you know, I don't care. I say nigga all the time. I'll talk to my kids, maybe. That's how we talk to each other. I'm sorry. It gets bad sometimes. I'm not judgmental

about it at all. But what I do know is that if you tried to make an album right now, using a word that is offensive or has negative history for the Jewish community or for the gay community, it won't happen. It won't get published. And so you have to ask yourself, why are they okay?

Would you using a word that is demeaning to our community or that has a history of being demeaning to our community, but they'll never, ever let you say some of the same type of words about other people. And that's the thing, because when Michael Jackson said, don't drew me down, they took that joint off the stand,

cleaned the album, and then put the album back out. So that's the only issue that comes up for me. And it doesn't mean I don't use it, but it does mean that when I'm speaking in public I'm careful about saying it knowing that it would be fine for me to say something that sends a trigger to a certain community but I could never go out and say anything offensive to other people who are who who who respect the history of their oppression so if we look at the history of their oppression.

So can I say something? So if we look at the history of black people, right, we had to make chitlins a delicacy. I love chitlins. I did. Chitlin was one of the biggest things in my household. I get it. I get it. We had to make lemons lemonade. We had to figure out how to make everything they gave us.

And that's... But you don't even have to... Because I'm not saying I disagree. I'm just saying that it is yet another perspective that should be alongside your own voice. But I want you to give my perspective, right? So, black people are the most creative people in the world.

We figured out how to take whatever you gave us and multiply it, right. We figured out how to take everything negative that you thought for us and turn it into something else. That's what our culture is. When you talk about those other cultures, right,

they don't do that. They never take any... If you look at most other cultures, whatever was negative directed to them, they kept it negative. But here's the deal. But... It's a good point.

But it's a great point. But there's a certain level of respect that their communities get as well. And you got to ask yourself, why is it? Because the things that we've been fighting for and the challenges that we face and the constant disrespect that we

receive, perhaps, perhaps it has something to do with the fact that we constantly take the negative and make it positive and therefore people don't feel like we really need justice. But the problem is this. Because in other communities when they say... Oh, this is what we do on Street Politics nowadays. Don't be alarmed.

In other communities... Street Politics is our podcast. That's right. But when other communities... She purchases our podcast. That's right. We got to talk about that. But when other communities feel something is wrong to them, they put their foot down and they mean it. And they don't make it good

so that you don't ever think. Because there's certain things about you in terms of loyalty and other things that I have learned about you over time. I can't play with it. You never make it good.

You've been very clear that this is a line that if anybody crosses it, it's a problem for me. That's right. And so I think that our communities may need to look at examples of other communities. Who can define what those things is for our community? Well, that's the debate. What was the line with live TV? What was the line?

Because that was your man. Oh, man. That's such a big conversation. I'm so glad you want that, because I can't wait to give mine. Every time I watch your show. That was his man. He was a security, man.

I wasn't a security, but I was his security. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit, because I got the Teresa Tome. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit.

Oh, my god. This is what he does. Let me give you a pound. A little bit. You know I know my shit. Give a clap for him. He's doing his own Vlad Tv shit. No, he was on Vlad.

I used to love Vlad. Vlad was his man too. No, no. He was on Vlad. You used to love Vlad. So listen to me. I used to love Vlad. So let me tell you something.

I know Vlad. I got love for him. For about a decade, right, Vlad has been my friend. Was my friend, right? You don't say friends either about people. So he really was your, Vlad has been my friend. Was my friend, right? You don't say friends either about people. So he really was your friend. He was my friend. Like, Tamika knows.

I told her, this is my friend. Like, everybody who knows, this is my friend. I've had arguments with people. I've gotten debates. All of this was my friend. Because I first came home, you know, I'm fresh up, trying to do this. Vlad was like, yo, I got an opportunity for you to get a record deal. I had this single that was out.

Jim Jones on it. He shot the video for me. He helped me do all this shit. Like, we're going to get you a record deal. Got some money in my pocket. Was helping me do a lot of shit when dudes who I'd done shit for in this industry didn't do nothing for me. Dudes that I thought was family. I came home

with nothing. Didn't do nothing for me. This was one of the first people that just fucked with me honestly. Wasn't on no bullshit like, yo, I fuck with you. I like your music. Boom, boom, boom. And we started having conversations.

I'm like, yo, I fuck with the dude. He's a white dude. He don't really know much from the hood. He's not hood. But that's who he is. And he'll tell you I'm not hood. He got a website. This is what he does.

He posts shit. He's like, this is what I do, Mice. You know, I post shit. You know. And I'm like, okay, cool. But just understand, you might have to deal with it. I get it. I get it.

Okay, cool. When you do some bullshit, I'm going to check you because that's who I am. I'm never going to let you do some bullshit on my watch and not check you. Boom. But when somebody does some bullshit to you and I know it's bullshit because they think you're just a white boy, I'm going to check them. Like, okay, I know you're a white boy.

You think you're just... But he's my friend, so we're not going to play that either. So that's been my position in his life for a while. So he'll come to New York. When he lived in New York, we hung out all the time. Boom, boom.

I knew his family. At the dinner, at the table, when we went to his house, like, this is who knew his family. At the dinner, at the table, when we just house, like, this is who my, this is my friend. Real friendship, right. This is friendship. So niggas can say what they want, nigga. I've never been a nigga you can buy.

You can't pay me for nothing. I'm not a sucker. You know what I'm saying? I've never been. Anybody who knows me know I stand on what I stand on. But he exhibited a level of loyalty and friendship to me that wasn't exhibited to people that I thought was my family and friends. And that's just a fact.

It says a lot. You know what I'm saying? So that's what it was. So for years, we went through that. I took flack with him when he did shit. I had beef with Hot 97 when he was talking about all type of shit. Me and E-Bo had conversations. Mr. C was like, yo, this is my friend.

Whatever it is, I get it, but this is my friend. Me and Whack had a conversation, some shit he did with Ray J. This is my friend. Yeah, whatever. Alright, Whack, I hear you, but that's my man. I'm not letting nothing happen to him. That's just a fact. And this is real shit. He had real shit and I had to step in like, okay, I get

what you're saying. I'm going to make him fix that, but I can't let you do nothing to him because this is my friend. So if you cross the line of that, then understand this is still my friend right I've done that on the strength of who I am as a man the the the part where he crossed the line for me was in this situation with minister Farrakhan right so when he when the situation happened I didn't know what was going on. You know what I'm saying? People calling me, blah, blah, blah,

I see this on the thing. I'm like, Vlad, what happened? Oh, you see what he said? I'm like, what did he say? I don't understand what you're saying he said. He's like, yeah, I just did an interview with, who was it? D.L. Hughley.

D.L. Hughley. You know, D.L. Hughley said what he wanted to say. Nobody talks about that part, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway. D.L. Hughley, you know, D.L. Hughley said what he wanted to say. Nobody talks about that part. But that's neither here nor there. Anyway. D.L. Hughley is my friend. That's his, that's her friend.

And I know D.L. Hughley, but nobody has called him to the table about his part in that situation. Because he definitely was involved. D.L. Hughley is my friend. He had a big part in that situation. And that's that. That's it. He had a part in that situation. Thank you very much. Nobody, everybody ignored his part, I guess, because Gladys is And that's that. That's it. He had a part in that situation. Thank God.

Everybody ignored his part, I guess, because Vlad is a white dude that they didn't like. Cool, I get it. That's right. That's right. He's a white dude that they didn't like. So, cool. So, he asked D.L. Uli some questions. He said this.

And he labeled it saying that the minister calls for violence against Jews. So, I'm like, Vlad, where did you get that from? He sent me a clip. So when I see the clip, I'm like, I see the clip, but that's not the whole clip, Vlad. Where did you get this, oh, he's been saying this, okay. Well, what does that gotta do with this clip that you just sent me?

Because this is not the whole clip that the minister said. So I sent him the whole clip. I said, you need to listen not the whole clip that the minister said. So I sent him the whole clip. I said, you need to listen to the whole clip because you'll realize that he didn't call for violence. He was talking about something out of the Bible that it says throw stones at evil and this and that. Not the Jews, you know, throw stones at the evil. When you see him throw stones of truth,

not physical stones to hurt nobody. He was using scripture. So he said, oh, I didn't see this whole thing. All right, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to take it down. Me and Trey had conversations. Trey called me like, yo, what's going on? We got on the phone with him.

He said, yo, I'm going to take it down and I'm going to say that out of respect, I'm taking it down, even though I don't agree with a lot of things the minister said, but I'm going to take it down and I'm going to say that out of respect, I'm taking it down. Even though I don't agree with a lot of things the minister said, but I'm going to take it down. I said, okay, cool. I can't tell you to agree with what somebody says. You know what I'm saying? So, cool, that was enough.

He took it down. Anybody like, no, you need to apologize. He calls me like, you know, I'm not going to apologize because the situation is something I don't feel like I have to apologize. I took it down. I said I misquoted it. I did everything possible. But people are now trying to make me apologize. Now, when I heard the apology thing and make me apologize, I said to myself, damn, this reminds me of the situation that happened with Tamika.

When they were saying, yo, you got to say this and you got to say this. And the whole community is like, you need to say this. And I'm like, yo, nobody can't, you got to say this and you got to say this and the whole community was like, you need to say this and I'm like, yo, nobody can't force you to say what you don't want to say. Who gets the fuck

to tell you how to talk? Right? So, this was my thing. I'm like, yo, listen, you don't got to apologize but you got to right the wrong. You got to take that shit down that said you made a mistake.

Now, if you don't want to apologize, cool. I'm not asking you to apologize, right? And he's like, yeah, you know, thank you because it's just messed up. So, cool, you don't want to apologize, cool. I'm not asking you to apologize, right? And he's like, yeah, you know, thank you, because it just messed up. So cool, you don't want to apologize. But you got to deal with the ramifications

and not apologize, because the nation of Islam is going to want an apology from you. Now if you're willing to deal with what comes with that, cool. He's like, you know, fuck that, because I stand on what I stand on, and I'm willing to lose friends and everything behind this. So I'm OK. That's how you feel.

But you fixed the wrong. You took that shit off the thing. You said you made a mistake. Cool. Now Royce comes up. Yo, he had a conversation with him. Said, oh, Vlad said I gave myself money. I done this and that.

I'm like, okay, why would that conversation come up with you and Royce? Where would that come? Give myself money for what? Where did you ever gave myself money from? You've loaned myself. You've done shit for me like in crisis that friends would do

because I thought this was my friend. If you call Effing like, yo, I need this. I need you to let me give me $500 right now for some shit that's going on.

All right, send it to me. Effing ain't going to go and say, yo, I've given Nori money because that's your friend, right? This is your friend. So the fact that he had a conversation with a man

about money he gave me that wasn't really nothing seven hundred dollars like nigga we've been for I thought we's friends for ten plus years so when you having a conversation with another man about what you do for me I don't even know where that comes from so that's one thing then me and me and Royce get to a back and forth debate about it. 13 hours on social media. But then it drove me out of my mind. I couldn't believe it. On Instagram, we had a lot.

Trey is calling me like, bro, get off live right now. Trey is texting me like, get off. I'm mad because I'm having a conversation with a nigga and we're going back and forth. And I'm like, regardless of what, I'm going to stand on what I stand on and this is my friend but obviously I'm starting to realize he I might not be his friend but by the way this conversation is going right me and Royce like but why would a man say this and even though I still had a

situation with Royce you got my phone number you could have called me I didn't you didn't have to put some shit on Instagram and that was my issue with Royce like Royce you got my number if you didn't have my number and you said Royce Vlad said he did this for my son I wouldn't feel A way but the fact that you got my number and we supposed To have a relationship I feel you out of Pocket for that so that's really where my Whole thing with him is I'm not it ain't even about

Vlad at this point it's about me and you Just say yo you know what I could have Called no and you said he's still standing On I could nah I shouldn't have called you He said that so I said it to the world. I don't understand why you think that's okay. So we going back and forth. After I get off the phone with him, me and Trey

have a conversation. Trey like, nah, bro, that's my brother. I'm going to take in what he, I'm going to absorb what he said to me, right? Everybody's calling me saying this. I'm absorbing. So I call Vlad. I'm like, Vlad, I just don't understand how a conversation about you giving me money came into a conversation with you and Royce like where did that oh I I thought

I was having a private conversation this and that so I remember so we going back and forth I'm like but what is it that why don't you feel that you want to apologize is there a issue he's like he's like listen I said, Nick Cannon, when Nick Cannon got into the situation, he apologized. He said, well, Nick Cannon had to apologize because his money was affected.

Right? He said, my money ain't been affected. I had the best month in Vlad TV ever. So I said, so you telling me that if your money was, so it ain't about principle for you. It ain't about you staying on what you...

Because you told me I'm staying on what I stand on as a man. So, now, if that was your money being affected, then you would apologize. So, you don't feel that black people affect your money. You don't feel like disrespecting one of the leaders of black community affects your money. So, you don't feel like you have to apologize. Because if it affected your money

and this was a bad week for Vlad, you would go up and say, yo, you know what, I apologize. That's what you're saying to me. He's like, I'm saying, I mean, listen, I'm not saying that, but we got to be honest. If it was affecting my money,

I would have to think differently. I said, oh, so you want to, you say you want to lose friends, you want to compromise my friendship, throw me under the bus for protecting you as a friend, lose Lord Jamal, all the people, black people who've been holding you down for years because it's not affecting your money. So we just expendable. But if it was affecting your money, you would apologize. You ain't going to affect your money because you know that we got to deal with shit as black people from this community that you profit off every day. You don't give a fuck about that.

I said, OK, Vlad, this is I realize now you never was my friend. At that point, I realized you're not my friend. You feel like I benefited you in some way. So you kept me around because I don't jeopardize or benefit or take away from your money. The minute that I take away from your money then you're going to do shit for me that makes sense, right? At that point I realized

we're not friends. You know what I'm saying? He drew that line. It wasn't nobody else. You can't talk me into not being man's with my man. Nobody can. If I call you my friend

only thing that can damage my friendship is you. Nobody can tell me nothing about you friend Only thing that can damage my friendship is you Nobody can tell me nothing about you I went to that man He talked to me on the phone And told me that he wasn't going to apologize Because it didn't jeopardize his money Even though it harmed black communities

And the people that I love And people that I looked up to Even though it harmed them It didn't jeopardize your money So because I came to you as your friend, who you know was front line with you,

willing to take beefs and shit from you and say, yo, this is probably the best thing that you, you didn't, that wasn't something that you took in.

After he told on Rick Ross, you're still running around with him in New York. Because I said, he told, because you're a citizen, nigga. He's a citizen.

Rick Ross beat you up. You get him, I didn't take. Me too, god damn. I was holding, I pulled. You know what I'm saying? it. Me too. God damn. I was holding my phone.

You know what I'm saying? That's your job. Listen, how else you going to get? How else you going to get? You not going to go beat a nigga up. He ain't going to shoot nobody. So I didn't take it as that. I took it as a civilian did the civilian shit.

No, I said you going to take your shit. All right, but can I tell you my opinion? No, take your shit first. Wait, at first I got to talk. All right, take your shit. Take your shit and then we're going to talk. Come on. No, no, no. Drink that. Take it first.

That's all it is. Your opinion on Vlad TV. It is the consequences of friendships with white people. And that's a hard reality that people might not want to hear. But it is the consequences of being friends with white people because even they don't understand the damage that they cause to our community and our relationships. They don't necessarily understand it.

It's not them, but... Because it's not... But it's like, you know, their ancestors. It's, it's, it's... And we talk about this all the time. We just saw street politicians the other day on our podcast.

Street politicians. Shave this plug. Shave this plug. Black other day on our podcast. A Jew politicians plug. A Jew politicians plug. A Jew politicians plug. Black effect. It's not a Jew politicians plug. Black effect. It's just a plug. And by the way,

we're about to do a job. We're going to be on the same level. We're going to be on the same level with Dream Champs eventually. Especially when the New York we might have to move our podcast to Miami. Y'all can record that one right there.

But, you know, I've experienced the same. In fact, there's a couple white women that I'm friends with that come to mind. And I think about situations that have happened over time where they really either thought they were doing the right thing or really didn't care. But it ended up causing harm to me and people that I have relationships with. And it's just, it's just the consequences of the fact that they don't have the analysis, if you will, or the commitment to our people in our community,

because in this situation, I know Vlad and there's been times that I've actually had conversations. I remember being in, where was I? What's the club with the stairs in New York? Jay-Z's club. 40-40? 40-40 club.

Loud as hell. And I'm over there, like, in the corner telling Vlad about some shit that I saw on his site that I was like, it's not cool. And everybody knows this. I called Meek the other day to have a conversation with him about something. Charlamagne, I deal with him all day on text messages. Yo, I do it to tip. I do it to kill a mic, all of them. When I feel like there's something that, you know, that they're doing that needs to be addressed. Right. And then I think they need to think about differently.

And so I, because he was my son's friend, I have done the same thing with Vlad. But what I realized is that in his mind, and this is what often happens with white people that I'm talking about in State of Emergency, my book, is that it's about them first. Even the ones that are your good friends, they haven't made the commitment yet that they need to sacrifice themselves and their privilege in order to ensure that their friendship with you is about uplifting and empowering you. Their position is, it's me first and then I fuck with you. But I'm not going to put myself

in harm's way in order to help you. And that's a problem. That's a fact. That's a problem. That's exactly what it was. That's what it was. Go ahead.

I said it. You better say that. But my son, as cool as you were with Vlad, you never had an issue with the clickbait and the way he used the clickbait? No, there was. Listen to me. When he did it to where I felt it was extreme,

I would call him and be like, Vlad, you got to take that down. He changed a lot of things. It was wild. He changed a lot of things. Yo, people don't even know. There was so much shit that I had Vlad change that I'm like, Vlad, you can't post that.

He did it to Chi Ali. He did it to Chi. He did it to Chi Ali. We did drink tips. Me and Chi did drink tips together. That's when I did drink tips. What did he do to Chi Ali? He wrote about...

Chi Ali talks about still carrying a gun even while on parole. No, that wasn't the one. I don't remember what it was. No, that's what he wrote. So, Chi is like... Wait, what? No, that wasn't even the one for me,

and that's bad. But that's what he says. Chi Ali talks about still having guns while he's on parole. I'm like, what are you... I said, the man is out on parole now. He was talking about it then. I'm like, no, you putting clickbait.

He said, but when they listen to the interview, I'm like, glad. Some people don't listen to the interview the motherfucking his parole officer might be like yeah We need to call him in and check him pat him down all type of shit. She called me like your niggas I'm like you gotta take that You gotta take that down right now he did it to another friend of ours, Omar, who killed somebody when he was young in a fight physically, you know, not with guns or anything. Another one of my brothers. And Omar is my son's best friend, but he's very close to me as well. And the storyline was something like, you know, it was basically glorifying what Omar did.

Because it stemmed from Joe Buttons, right? So Joe Buttons. I know Joe Buttons is going to be in this conversation at some point. Like, Joe is a dude, right, that I actually like, right? Like, when me and Joe was in the same vicinity, we had the best conversations. We built, like, the studio. When he first started shooting his podcast out was the studio that I introduced him to.

Like, Joe seen me coming from a studio in his hood and was like, yo, where you at? I'm like, yo, it's a studio right here. He's like, where? I live right down the block. I'm like, yeah, you need to come over here. He didn't even know about the studio. He ended up meeting my mans. The podcast that they set,

this podcast room was originally set up for me and Tamika's podcast we told them yo we gonna shoot a podcast and Joe ended up shooting the podcast first so that's how

the Joe Bunn podcast actually got started so this is my I was in the studio when he did the song this and Drake like I was there like this is my man

we sitting there kicking it all the time so when we in each other's vicinity I just there's a level of love we sitting there kicking it all the time so when we in each other's vicinity I just there's a level of love like when the shit happened with him and me goes. I was at the BT Wars I had just left him we left. I called him you good. Yeah, I'm good Well, this is this is what I perceive but Joe has a way of doing like seeing little slick shit, right? That'd be like why did you say that about me?

Like it just be like how did that happen Joe like you why did you say that about me? Like, it'd just be like, how did that happen, Joe? Like, you said that, people asked you something about me. I don't, people saying that my son is fake with this, you know, the civil rights thing. I don't know. This is the word that people are saying. Why would you You know, I already bit my nail, so we'll be going with this.

So anyway. You tell us. I don't understand. No, it just was, it was a chance. It was something I had to get off my chest Cuz I love Joe he says some shit that just kind of rub me just a little Way talking am I talking to Joe? I'm like only be like Akon, man. I'm being honest, man. That's why I'm moving away. I'm trying to get out of the light-skinned community. Period, bro. So anyway, Joe Bunz had did an interview, and he was talking about Vlad, right?

Vlad had did an interview talking about Joe. And Joe went on his podcast and talked about Vlad and said, yeah, you was at a, you know, you were somewhere with my son. Y'all was at a club. And I seen y'all there, and I'm like, you know, you was somewhere with my son. Yeah, I was at a club. And I seen y'all there. And I'm like, what the fuck? I need to, I'm definitely not going there if you and my son are there.

Like, this is definitely not a club I need to be at. So I'm like, what does that mean, Joe? You know what I'm saying? And he said, and Vlad was talking about my friend Omar. He said, yeah, and Vlad was, you know, he's trying to get some props. I'm with my friend Omar. He killed somebody with his bare hands. So Joe Button continuously uses that during the segment of the show.

You with your guy who killed somebody with his bare hands. Your guy who killed somebody. He keeps saying it. So now Vlad knows how to get views. So he interviews Omar, the guy who killed somebody. And that's the topic, the guy who killed somebody with his bare hands. So Vlad knows how to get views. So he interviews Omar, the guy who killed, and that's the topic, the guy who killed somebody with his bare hands. So Vlad knows how to get clickbait.

Joe Budden talked about him. Vlad brings him up there. He talks, oh, he one of us. Like, he is straight down. Like, him and Trey remind me of each other so much. You don't really talk that much.

And he, for whatever, like, so that's why these are two of my closest friends. They don't really talk that much. You know what I'm saying, trade on reach. But when he say shit he be saying shit. But when he say shit he be saying shit right. So him and O is like the same so he brings up O up there and he does an interview with O. So all of the titles is like he killed somebody with his bare hands and this and that. So now Omar been home for like the last 10 years,

eight years or whatever. Now the person who he killed, he would kill somebody at 16, 17 years old out of a fight, whatever the situation, the dude end up dying. Those people still lost a loved one.

You know what I'm saying? So he's creating situations with him back in his hometown. Like he's going for it. He's asking him questions that's kind of feeling, and always like, yo, I did what I did. You know, I've

served my time for it. You know, I wish his family no problems, this and that. But this is my truth. So he ends up getting to sit on the internet with people from his own hometown. Like, yo, fuck that. This is on and this and that. Why would you say that? So why would you have to, like, but

I understand. So she was mad like, yo, why the fuck would he even post that up? Why would he try to glorify this and that? And I understood, but I also understood,

like I told, oh, I said, you know, Vlad was, I had, now when it comes to security, Omar was the person

that had doing security for Vlad. Like, he would call me. Last one though. You know what I'm saying? Vlad would call me and be like, yo, you got somebody that I'm going such and such. I'm like, I'm going to call O. This my

mate just came home. He's solid. I know he's going to make sure you're good. So O and him became... But you said... You know what? But Vlad did it to me, too. Because whatever interview I did with you

Somehow or another it became that I hated black men What was we talking about In that interview? You said you was dating white men or something? No, we was talking about We was talking about issues We was talking about Bill Cosby

And then she said something And next thing you know, I'm on the internet and Twitter decides, because you know, Twitter is a brain. It's a decisive thing. And Twitter decided

that I don't like black men. And I'm like, see, that's what around going on these shows. But you know what? At the end of the day, Vlad really was my son's friend. No, I was,

no, no, no. I was Vlad's friend. Well, I know. I understand, but I'm just saying. Vlad was not my son's friend. Let's do a Vlad's friend. Well, I know. I understand, but I'm just saying. Vlad was not my son's friend. Let's do a quick time with slime. Because there's no time without earflame. My phone too? What the fuck? Quick time with slime and earflame? Quick time with slime, yeah.

What does that mean? One or two questions. One or two questions. You started off. Oh, I gotta start off as quick time with slime. Well, who went in? You got to choose one. You got to choose one, not both. You got to choose one.

All right. Then you got to change it to who you want to put it to. You got to choose one. No, no. It could be everybody can answer this. That's true.

Nas or Jay-Z? Ooh. Ooh, that's tough. If we go on our family, I'm going to say Nas. Me and Nas close. But I rock with both of them. If you going off... We need one. to say Nas. Me and Nas are close, but I rock with both of them. If you going off...

We need one. Which one do you pick? I just said if I'm going off family, I'm going to say Nas. If I had to pick, I'm going with Nas. Nas is more... That's two Nas. So where you going with this? Stop answering your phone.

I mean, I think I'm going to have to say Jay and I'm only going to say I mean I don't know that's a hard like who asked that stupid question you said Jay you said Jay you said Jay

you got the answer that's a stupid question quick time to slide apparently we have been too that's a stupid question we're going to start with you buddy get up boys

UGK Jay supports me okay we moved on to that question sorry Jay Lee called me on the phone Buddy get up boys you GK Jay supports me Get a voice or UGK? I'm a ghetto voice, man. I don't even know who these people are. Ghetto voice? Yes, man. What you saying? I don't even know them. Sorry. Oh, shit.

All right, we're going to start with you. Tupac or Big? No question about that. Both. No? I love, listen to me. I don't like these political guys. I love Big because it's a New York shit, but when I look who's closer to who I am, like

I, like- It's Pac? It's just Pac. You know what I'm saying? So, like, both of them have a real imprint on my life. But Pac is closer to my spirit animal. Tamika.

Definitely, I'm Pac. Pac. Tamika, what's yours? I was in a relationship with Tupac in my mind. Oh, I was about to say Jesus. We breaking news right here. We don't even need to use clickbait here.

We just put that. Tupac is my boyfriend. So yeah, I just don't question about him. Was your undergroud Tupac? Hey, noise shout out to B though. My company Bump Box, we just actually released. That's your company? Yeah, I'm one of the owners. Oh shit.

I got a couple of bump boxes. Let's take a shot at the bump box. Sign up, sign up. We gotta get you one over here. It's a black belt. We didn't treat you to this. Let me tell you something about Trey. We gotta let him finish this. Finish the shot.

Finish the shot. Well, I'ma let Mice talk, but I'ma to say we just released the Action Notorious B-Bump Box. I need that one. And we just released the Aaliyah one last week. Dope, dope. Yo, listen to me. Trey is the most resourceful person I've ever met in my life.

Look, Trey is the person you call up on the phone at 8 o'clock, and whatever you got you need is there by 12. He don't play no games, bump boxes, Seamoss. Trey is out here. Trey is literally out here

helping to heal people with the COVID-19 virus. I called Trey on a holiday, New Year's. I called him like the a holiday New Year's I called him like The day before New Year's And I said

I need My cousin is very sick And he needs What help For COVID Two days later No more No male moves

On New Year's Day Somehow or another The next day The person My cousin calls me Like I got this box of sea moss. What else is in there? Black seed oil, oregano oil.

You knew this guy already? This man, right here. Yeah, yeah, my brother, you know, and Stiles just turned me on to it. And since then, I just, I've been spreading the knowledge he gave me. Wow. That's family.

Yo, Trey is resourceful. He's a caretaker. Whatever, and he's soful. He's a character. Whatever. He's so generous. He's like a gentle giant. Like, you don't know. He hate that term.

With his family, like, he's lovable. But when it's somebody else, you know we on the front line. We going, it's like me. That's the shit, man. So when you squeeze the bullet out your own arm, when you see somebody,

what the fuck is this? What happened? You ain't had no hospital? There's no hospital near? That was the Rambo shit. So when I got shot, I went to the hospital. And as I'm in the room,

they didn't, before they could even get to it, you just see people running through the halls panic and they like what's going on? It's over a hundred niggas outside, you know saying but you know that they're to make sure I'm good So at that point they try to shut the hospital down. They're more focused on that forget One of the people even add if you look on the internet, You'll find a lot of people Ask me for a picture I'm looking at them like

Bitch you asked me for a picture I'm bleeding I'm fucking Back right now You know what I'm saying But I can tell He was damn near heartbroken I let the man get the picture

But But long story short I went home You'll be repainted, part head. That's where this quick job was like. But long story short, I went home. They put me out the hospital. I went home, healed myself. You know, just long story short, cleaning it up, you know, and stopping the bleeding.

But the bullet was sitting, staying in my shoulder for like four or five years. And like, it was to the point it was almost bulging out, but it never was cut. So, I mean, it was never the point it was almost bulging out but it never was cut so I mean it was never, my skin was never cut. So you broke it out and... So at one point, probably close to the fifth year, I was waking up and there'd be blood splats all over my arm like damn and it's real tender.

So probably a day later it was a lot more blood. At this point it's like I'm looking at it, and I'm one of them people, you know, I'ma push it to the limit. So you know, I start squeezing, and you know, blood was coming out, and I go down to the, I go in my bathroom, I'm like, man, I'm about to get this shit up out of me.

So I called my nephew down, and in the midst of calling him, I'm telling him what I'm finna do, he young., man, you got to let me pee, or this shit going to go viral. I don't give a fuck about no viral, bro. I'm trying to figure this shit out. So I go to— You're trying to TikTok your boat. So I'm not even paying attention to him at this point. I'm just, that's time, like, I'm going to get this shit up out of me somehow, someway.

Man, that shit, you can go look at the video. Oh, he filmed that? Oh yeah, he definitely filmed it. Definitely went viral. Yeah, he definitely filmed it. Yeah, I did it. Still didn't go to the hospital. I just started cleaning it the same way

and stuffing it with gauze and shit. You can't even really, you can't even see the scar no more. So you one of them niggas ain't going to the hospital for nothing? He ain't got some Rambo shit. You can't even really, you can't even see the stuff on them. So you one of them niggas ain't going to the hospital for nothing? He ain't got some Rambo shit. Oh!

Money in the house. You know, one of the things you do back in the day is you put some tussle on that motherfucker. Tussle. I tussle.

What did you put some tussle on that motherfucker? What you did? That's what you put on that motherfucker. Just, you know, soap and water, man. And stuff it up and wrap it. That's it.

Don't try that at home. Don't try that at home. It ain't for everybody. Let's finish the rest of the Quick Time with Slavs. Let's see, uh... Queen Latifah or Rhapsody? That's you. That's everybody, man.

You know it's gotta be female? that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, that ain't fair. That's bullshit. I can't participate. That's right. Because at the end, like, right, Rhapsody is... She's until freedom. She is until freedom. It should be both. Just say both.

Yeah, it's both. Both. Because Queen Latifah texted me the other day and said, how can I help? Queen Latifah, because... So you can't be mad at Queen Latifah. Listen, without Queen Latifah, ain't none of us here at the table. That's just what you need to find out. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you.

I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. I'll sit down and I'll talk to you. say how can I help the we fucking up the whole thing. We got it. We answering how we want to answer. Yeah, both. Go ahead. Next. All right.

Dead President or Public Enemy? Public Enemy. Probably. I mean, I would say Public Enemy just because I'm more familiar with Public Enemy. Oh. Yeah. Speaking of that, we just released the EPMD box, too. Oh.

Yeah, yeah. Dead President. Dead President? Dead President. I'm looking at my phone because by 5 o'clock today, and it's almost 5 o'clock, I have to turn in stuff that is important. Yo, writing books. Y'all been here.

You turned in a book in the middle of a drink session? No, I'm literally in the middle of a drink session. Make some noise. Make some noise. And she's been up to looking at my book on the way, too. So. Yes, she is. Yo, in my book, DJ F'n, shout out to DJ F'n.

He brought a bunch. He brought. He a friend. He a friend. He a Yes. In my book, DJ FN, shout out to DJ FN, he brought a bunch. He brought- EFN. I always say FN. Everybody call me FN. I'm not influenced no more. EFN. He brought the Spanish version.

I bought both of them. He brought both of them. But he was one of the first people to buy the Spanish version. Was I one of the first ones? He was. I didn't even- I was going to bring it and I forgot because my two little kids had me crazy. My book, I Know My Rights.

All right. Hold on. Okay book, I Know My Rights. Hold on. Okay. No, no, no. Shout out to McBride. McBride, that's my guy. Hold it together. Public enemy for me.

I love Jeff Bridges. I need you to answer these ones very fast. Jeff Bridges said public enemy. Very fast. Very fast. I need you to answer these ones. I opt out. I plead the fifth. I don't want you to answer the fourth question.

No, no, you already answered. No. You're going to answer these ones very fast. We're going to time them, all right? Real quick. Martin, I'm out. I plead the fifth. I don't want you to answer No, no, you already answered. But listen, I'm going to answer these ones very fast because we're on time. All right? Real quick. Martin, about. Malcolm.

Nope. Damn. Things are damn. Malcolm. All right. Two Malcolms. All right. Respect or loyalty?

Respect. Respect. Fuck. Loyalty, man. Loyalty? Yeah. 80s or 90s? 90s. I was born 1980.

For the 80s? I was born in the 80s, but the music in the 90s is me. Okay. All right. I like 70s Bernie We didn't have him. What time is this shit going to be over? All right, this is about it. Dr. Dre or Puff Daddy? Dre. No, I can't say that.

Who came up with these? Both. I like both of them. Puff is my piece. Puff is from my hood, so it's fine. If I had to, I would go with Puff, but Dre had to. You have to. What are you doing?

So I'd go with Puff, but if I don't, then I'd go with both. No, you going with both? Mr. Lee came up with these? I already told you, Puff is my piece. I Say both but just what we come from dr. Dre definitely he said the tall for everything Shout out to my bro DZake, and Monty in here too. You know, it's big. Thank you, man. Yeah, it's big. So us and Deezy coming from Houston to be on drinks. Oh, no.

We got a big chance here, man. Woo! This is why we met you. This is probably the hardest one right here. OK. This is foul, man. Michelle Obama. Oh.

Oh, come on, man. Oh, Michelle Obama. That's not hard at all. Michelle Obama. Let me tell you something, though. This is what I said. Oh, Michelle Obama. That's not hard at all. Let me tell you something, though. This is what I said. Oh, shit. If Kamala Harris believes, which I'm joking, guys, that Michelle Obama is her friend, she's not. Let me tell you why.

Oof. Let me tell you why. Let me let her plug for that. Because when you are young, you learn that you don't show up to nobody's birthday party dress better than the actual person who's having the party if you saw how michelle obama showed this is what until freedom is right right? We're going to say this shit that every... The politically correct person would say, hey, you know, everyone does their thing. No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait.

So you're saying Michelle did that on purpose? No, I'm not saying she did it on purpose. I'm saying you're supposed to think about it beforehand that when you're young, you learn don't upstage the bride. Yeah, but you... You don't wear white to a bride's wedding. When your downstage is still upstage, what you going to say? But when...

I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say...

I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... I was just going to say... that when you're young, you learn don't upstage the bride. You don't wear white to a bride's wedding. When you're downstage, you're still upstage. What you gonna say? I don't think Michelle Obama could be paid. The crazy thing is, Michelle Obama probably thought that she was wearing

pants and a sweater to this thing. But you can't wear, it's not even plum or whatever, that shit was called wine okay she was so bad that hair curl that bounce that she had that was like she was supposed to tell them you know what this outfit is so bad

I need y'all to send this over there to Kamala it was their inauguration it was bad but Kamala looked beautiful too but it was a different level but I'm joking even though you're joking It was bad. But Carlin looked beautiful too. But it was a different level. But I'm joking. Even though you're joking.

She would have won. The thing is this. Michelle has a certain level of glamour. She has a level of and let's be clear. Not just natural. It's not just natural.

Let me tell you why. Because when you look at the... When you look at the Michelle... She walk in the room and her prison's going to be... Well, let me tell you this though. But that wasn't always the case. When Michelle first got there,

there was a process, right? There was going through... Oh, Michelle this and that. Michelle grew. Like she transformed herself? She transformed. Like she grew into who she was. I'm not saying she did anything different.

She started to grow into her queendom. She understood the role. She had different conversations. She started looking at herself and said, this is what I need to do for me. She has owned who she is. Kamala is going to get there. Oh, yeah.

She's going to do well. Kamala has a badass body too. Oh, yeah. She's going to do it. You can tell she's going to do it. Kamala has a badass body, too, and people don't really know it. Yeah, because that's not what they... Because let me tell you... No, no, let me tell you what... Let me tell you what happens with especially lighter skin, lighter skin women. Especially with lighter skin women, but with black and brown women in general. Right?

What's up with that white girl that made that light skin girl? No, no, no. Let me tell you something about, this is a really important point. With women who are incredibly intelligent, as Kamala Harris is, oftentimes you don't want to put on too much so that people focus more on your beauty and less on your power and so she you can see that she leans with the suits and everything that she does towards see me and respect me for

who i am and don't try to box me into just my fabulous michelle has figured out and tamika mallory is working at it every day. The balance of both. And so she's badass. But let me tell you what makes Michelle real badass. That man she walking with, that's a fine-ass motherfucker, okay? She walk with that man. And I bet, I mean,

that's a fine-ass motherfucker. And guess what? I promise you, and I don't know, of course, I'm just speculating, that when Michelle, when he saw her come out, when they was getting ready to leave to go to the night region, he said, that's what we doing. We going to do all this right here. I blame Nori and EFN for having my sister on all these shots, because she letting it be told.

I got one more shot. I got one more shot. She's on the team. I'm playing for that. But have I not? What you got? I was listening to you. I'm on the team.

I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team.

I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. I'm on the team. The last one, the last one, the last one. The right one that said the yellow girl, she said, yellow bone girl. Yeah, I've never seen that. I can't be involved in that. God bless you, good night. Drink Champs.

See you later. Stay inside. Me and my son are releasing February. February. So make sure y'all stay tuned to that. Everything until freedom got going on. Street politicians. Street politicians. February. So make sure y'all stay tuned to that. Everything until freedom got going on. Street politicians. Street politicians.

Street politicians. Street politicians. That's so true. What is that? Why did y'all even think about doing a podcast? Street politicians was something that, like, I ain't even going to lie to you, right? Norby was one of the first people that was like, yo, you need to do a podcast. And that's when I was doing so much other shit,

and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, Mice, when you need to do a podcast, let me know. Tell me, I'm like, all right. Yeah, don't worry about it, Nori, I'm doing a bunch of shit. And he's like, Mice, just tell me, I'm gonna do this. And yo, he was consistent, right? And I wasn't so focused on it.

But what happened was, we started doing all this work. Me, Tamika, and our organizations. And originally Street Politicians was, it was me, Tamika, and Carmen Perez, who was with the Justice League. And we started doing it that way. Latina, a black woman, and a black man. And I was like, let's start it. And I was going to reach out to you, right? So what happened was we started doing it a little bit. We let's start it. And I was going to reach out to you, right? So what happened was, we started doing it a little bit.

We fell off from it. Everybody at the podcast world went crazy. You became the biggest fuck. Give it up for the host. You became the biggest thing in fucking podcast history. And I'm like, damn. And Tameka was like, OK, yeah, we fucked up. Like I told you, our podcast was supposed to start before Joe Button shit started.

He started doing his. Everything went crazy. At that time, we was doing a bunch of work. So we didn't get a chance to do it. But in this time that we had, like in the last year, I reached out to him like, yeah, we need to do this. And Carmen had moved to L.A. She was supposed to be with us. And we were like, yo, fuck it. We're just going to do it ourselves.

So we started doing this. Here, we started doing this. And then when she did her speech for George Floyd, it went the biggest viral. They started realizing the leader that we all knew was there for years. You know, I tell her all the time, like, she's been the biggest. She's been our leader. Everybody starts saying, this our leader. I'm like, okay, I'm glad y'all caught up because I's been the biggest... She's been our leader. Everybody starts saying,

this our leader, I mean, okay. I'm glad y'all caught up, because I've been through this. She's gonna be the president. Exactly. She definitely... Never gonna run. Probably never. I'm gonna make her run, so we just... Just to make sure that... No, I'm not gonna run for office.

Because you know what? I'm a hell raiser. Exactly. That's what we need. No, but then you be... But no, no, no, that's not true. See, y'all are... She's gonna be the next president, we need a nigga. A nigga.

Look, see? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't mean that. But you know that. I know what you mean. But the thing about running for president, the thing about running for president or running for any office is that you do have to compromise a lot.

And we need that because we need people in office that can do that. But from my perspective, I've learned that I'm actually more effective being the person outside that's a bitch that people don't like. But you don't like the fact that we can have Kanye

if he was like... Kanye. Not Kanye. That's a bad example. You and I are going to have a conversation about Kanye's name. But like Jay-Z. If Jay-Z was really interested and he wanted to run for California governor, I'm voting for the nigga. I'm going to buy an apartment in run for California governor, I'm voting for the nigga. I'm going to buy an apartment in the Soho house. This is a vote for the nigga.

I'm going to be honest. I love Jay. Let's go home. You know what I'm saying? I love Jay. I love Jay. And he knows it. And I love Jay. But however, however, even he is not the nigga that you're talking about.

But even 50 Cent run for council of Queens. 50 Cent can't run for shit either. Council of Queens. Even he is not the nigga that you're talking about. Right. But even 50 Cent run for council of Queens. 50 Cent can't run for shit either. Council of Queens. No, because the problem with 50... Isaac Wright. Isaac Wright is running for man of the world. No. There are people who have been trained up.

That was the dude who did the bed. The guy who made the whole TV show about us. Yeah. He is running... I'm about to Try to endorse him a little bit I don't know yet I gotta look at his platform

No we with it We with it But 50 is best where he is Telling black stories But support Jay is best where he is Because Rhapsody said On our show

On Street Politicians Who's our next leader She supports him Tamika is our next leader No it's not Tamika is not No much the next leader Not no much the next leader. Not so much the next leader.

Yo, what happened to Gillum, man? We are. What the fuck happened to Gillum? We are the next leader. God bless Gillum. Yeah, but you saw how crazy that show was? Andrew was out here.

What are you talking about? Andrew was out here. He just did a show the other day. He's out here. He's Andrew. It's Andrew. Everybody got some shit.

It was pretty wild. I mean, was it real? I'm not saying it. I don't know about that. But what I'm saying is that regardless of what his situation was or was not, if you pull back the curtain on any of our lives... Everybody's fucked up. Everybody got some shit.

I hear you, I hear you. Everybody got some shit. And it's disingenuous for us to act like his shit is worse than our shit. Because if you really look at it, if you really look at our stuff, each and every one of us has something that we're dealing with that we're not telling the rest of the world. Everybody does. So Andrew Gillum is a smart black man. By the way, if you if he can't stand up to Andrew Gillum if you put him alongside

some of these white supremacists that's in office why can't we have him? My thing is this and I'm going to tell you what it is for me right How about Russell? Let me know before I'm going to end it on Russell Andrew Gillum's situation for me

is stand on what you stand on right? Be who you are like that's what me Andrew Gillum's situation for me is stand on what you stand on. Right? Be who you are. Like, that's what me... Y'all make it hard to do that. No, I don't want to... It's hard to do that. No, it's the hard people that's doing that. I'm just saying, whatever...

Pete Buttigieg... This show is going into six hours long. Pete Buttigieg... Pete Buttigieg, Red, Pete Buttigieg, Red is... But that's not the case for black men.

Don't compare a white man to Andrew Gillum as a black man. Black people are not as accepting... The problem is this. No, no, no. No, you're not going to just... No, no. Black people are not as accepting

of the LGBTQIA community. Period. Okay. So, my thing is this. So listen to me. I didn't know about the IA. So if you made a conscious decision, right, that you're willing to galvanize

votes and support based on who you not, right? That's not true. That's not true. So what do you mean? Because ain't nobody voted for Andrew Gillum

or even thought about voting for him based upon his sexuality. But that was the time. And I don't think that was the only case of that situation. So then you're saying that. That's some other weird shit. Then why do you care? What is some other weird shit? No, that was the situation.

So you're saying that there was some weird attraction or some weird drug shit? No, the situation, the drug situation. Now, I know Negroes ain't about to start talking about no drugs. I done sat here on this show and told my truth about being addicted to drugs. So we're not even going to deal with the drugs. The issue is that he was caught in a situation that looked like he was sleeping with men. And we, as a community, have to deal with the fact that our people been gay long time. We didn't just get gay last week or when

the LGBTQIA community became poppin' and they got their rights. We've been gay for a long time, okay? There was always Uncle So-and-so who was in the family that everybody knew was gay, but our communities did not allow

for that to be famous in the past. We don't... We does not allow for that to be. We don't. We don't. We've been here for two hours. People got to use that. We do not allow for. Especially when you're drinking this.

We do not allow for. My blood. That to be accepted the way in which it should. Because that's why our young people kill each other or kill themselves. That's why black trans people being killed is a thing because people are afraid to be their true selves. So, if we're going to say

what my son is saying which I agree with that be who you are. We also as a community have to allow space for people to be who they are. I hear what you said. No, I don't have to...

See, the thing is this, right? If you are waiting for somebody to accept who you are instead of making them accept who you are, that's your fault. Well, that's true. Right?

You have to impose... Look, this is who I am. Like, I was in prison, right? Let's take this last shot because this is the day she's going to wrap it up. This is the time. This is the time.

This is the time. We got it, y'all. We got it. We got it. Take this shot, though. Take a shot. This is over. We got kicked out, as a matter of fact.

So, listen, we got kicked out. What I'm trying to say is this. If you make a conscious decision, right, of who you are, make people accept who you are. I agree. Don't wait for people... I don't disagree, but I'm just saying that there all... You cut me off. I know, but I'm sorry.

She does all the time. She's a politician. I didn't do it today. I didn't do it today. But, Tamika... It has to be a balance. But has to be, I know, but I'm sorry. She does a little talk. She's a politician. I didn't do it today. I didn't do it today. But Tamika. It has to be a balance. But to be honest with you, if he's a leader, he should lead in that way. Lead!

I'm not, you can't say that. I'm not disagreeing. You ain't gonna lead. I'm not disagreeing. All I am stating, so that two things can stand at the same time. Absolutely. My son's statement and what you just said can stand and we all agree with that. But what also has

to be said in this space and that also needs to stand is that our people are dealing with the fear of coming out with who we are because we are murdered for it, we are criticized for it, we're castigated for it, and we as

a community have to accept the fact that being gay or being a between trans or being a part of the LGBTQIA community is who we all we always have had people that way and we just have never really truly accepted it so my thing is this if that's who you are and you you scared to lead in that, then you're not a leader. Then you need to lead in telling people be who you are and telling your

people, we're not going to solve this issue right now. We're not going to solve it. What I'm saying is be who you are, stand on what you stand on, win, lose, and win. Andrew Miller is a leader. He's still there.

And he's intelligent. And in fact, he would have been the best person to be governor of Florida. Because guess what? The alternative is that a white supremacist became governor, who, in my opinion, is OK with the fact that black people die every single day and they don't do shit about it.

So I'd rather take Andrew Gillum anytime. Me too. I'd rather. I'd rather take him. I'd rather. You want to take a picture? Let's take a picture. Let's take a picture.

I'd rather. Let's do it. You know. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by yours truly, DJ EFN and NORE. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. That's at Drink Champs across all platforms, at TheRealNoriega on IG,

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