Drink Champs - Episode 263 w/ Peter Rosenberg

Episode Date: May 28, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with Peter Rosenberg! Peter shares his story and how his parody videos caught the attention of Ebro, which landed him an opportunity with Hot 97. Working at Hot 97, Rosenberg over the years, has gained the reputation for breaking artists records on the radio. Also known for hosting the legendary “Juan EP” podcast with Cipha Sounds, “Cheap Heat” on ESPN, Peter has done a lot and continues to do more!In this episode, Peter Rosenberg also discusses his previous controversy with Nicki Minaj, his love for professional wrestling and much much more!Make some noise for Peter Rosenberg!!! 🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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belongs in the game, and stays in the game, he started out, I want to say, as an internet troll. That's what they say when you Google him. What? When you Google him as his internet troll? Kind of, kind is internet kind of kind of kind of then he started doing like red van winkle like making songs over what's his name oh he started doing songs over then oh we're all through a good start. Then he somehow got on Hot 97. Then from there, he's got on the most powerful show on Hot 97.

And he still controls the show on Hot 97, called Still Late, which he dropped the album, which is the most I felt broke immediately listening to the album. Really? Real late made you feel that way? Listen to the album, yes. This guy represents real, real hip-hop. Later on, not only has he had hip-hop,

but then he went on to WWE. I know he got a WrestleMania belt in his pocket right now. You got a belt on right now? I lost it. No, I lost the title. But I had it. I had a title and lost it. You forgot to put it in Pioneer. Let's be clear.

Not only does he get WWE checks, he also gets ESPN Walt Disney checks. That's the reason why he's a smoker. He's not going to smoke today because Walt Disney is watching. Walt Disney is watching. And not only that, we have to thank him because at the beginning, we thought the word podcast was just means nerd it did and if it wasn't for you when you're half-save a sound so me and the FM probably wouldn't be sitting here right now today so we want to thank you

to your face thank you cuz you are indeed the pod fault. Good day. Thank you. I appreciate that very much. So, Vida, me and you are friends. We're great. But a lot of people don't know how you started. Was you remaking records over? So, I had been in radio for a long time.

And I was fired from radio many times. And on one of these occasions that I got fired from radio, I started doing a podcast, which was even, this is years before 1F. So podcasts were nothing. I mean, no one would podcast. In your radio days. Basically. I mean, just after, kind of. And then I started making some YouTube videos. And I made some silly-ass parodies.

And right around that time... So you were a weird Al Yankovic. He was. He was playing. I was. I did a cover of Jim Jones' Ballin' called Bowling. Bowling? Which is fucking terrible,

but kind of good in a terrible way. And then I did one about Duke basketball that got really big. Like that shit really hit. I dropped it the week the tournament. It was one of those rare times in life where you come up with a plan. You're from D.C., but isn't Duke from N.C.? Correct.

So I thought you was from N.C. at first. No, no, I went to Maryland, and we fucking hated Duke at the time that rivalry was crazy. So I made this video. We dropped it the day the tournament started. So I sent it out to everyone. And everyone, when they sent their, like, you know, their betting pool emails, everyone who hates Duke, which is everyone who didn't go to Duke, all forwarded the shit around. And it ended up getting a million views, which in those days, today it would be like getting 100 million views. The inflation of it.

Yeah, it was fucking gigantic. So then I get a phone call from someone, and he's like, yo, this dude Ebro wants to talk to you. He's seen your videos. Okay, now Ebro is the PD at the time or the MD? He's MD. Okay. Music director for people who don't know these two guys.

I was getting industry talk. I'm so sorry. He was next to the boss. He was next to the boss. Days later, I read in one of the trades, Ebro Darden named program director. Wow. So I'm like, oh, shit, the guy who wants to talk to me just got named boss. Wow.

So Ebro invites me up to Hot 97. Now, keep in mind, years earlier, I had forced my way up to Hot 97 to go meet the old PD, John Dimmick. Oh, okay. That's before Tracy. After Tracy, before Ebro. Okay, bad. And I got up there, and I was like, oh, I want to be on the station so bad. He was like, oh, that's great, but you have no experience, and keep working, and good

luck. Right. Ebro, I go see Ebro, and he's like, yo, I want you to come up and try to produce. We want a new producer for Miss Jones' show. Wow. And this is Miss Jones' afternoon, for Miss Jones' show. And this is Miss Jones in the afternoon or Miss Jones in the morning? And he's like, we want you to do Miss Jones' show,

and we see that you know how to use the internet, and that's new, and we want to see what you can do. So I come up there, I go to do Miss Jones' show, and... She doesn't like you. That is the kindest way of putting it. I can just feel like she wasn't right.

She did not fuck with me at it. I can just feel like the energy wasn't right. You don't think? She did not fuck with me at all. I got up there, and Envy was with her. Okay. And thank God for Envy, who was like, yo, bro, accommodating, welcoming. Miss Jones, he was like, you probably shouldn't even be in the studio when she gets here. Right. I spent two days sitting in a studio next to the studio.

She just didn't vibe with you it was any specific she she thought she came up to me and she was like afterwards she was like what are you like some sort of fucking spy for ebro oh wow by the way in retrospect she was probably right right he was bringing me in to maybe be a producer or whatever and but i didn't know how to produce anyway. So a couple days later, I'm home, and Ebro calls me, and I remember where I was standing. He's like, I've got good news and bad news. Bad news is the Miss Jones thing's not going to happen. I was like, I really

didn't think that would work out anyway. The good news is I want to have you do a Sunday night show where you play your underground hip-hop. And I was like, that was the greatest phone call of my life that would if it had if it had only been the sunday night show i was good hot 97 cracking a mic was my i grew up on just wanting to be flex so when he was like i'm gonna give you

a sunday night show i was like i picked the music right he was like yeah you picked the music we'll do some video stuff you can make some video content for us and uh and that was it because that's what's interesting about the album when i hear it it's like you know um we have fat joe on here recently and fat joe said you know every producer every uh radio personality everyone has the same access to the same people right so it's a particular way how colin makes his music i feel like that's i was a particular way how you made this album Was you went And you put Hot 97 to the side

You said Forget Hot 97 I'm going to do What Real Late represents And I'm going to do But what makes you say that Because why wouldn't you Like at the end of the day

Anybody would give you a verse Right Because Because They want to be on On Ebro in the morning Right Okay

So for the most part Let's just say for the most part But what makes you say to yourself You know what Because they want to be on Ebro in the morning, right? Okay. So for the most part. Let's just say for the most part. But what makes you say to yourself, you know what? I'm going to go back to hip-hop and I'm going to do it the way I feel it fit. What makes you do that? Because I win. I just don't.

I know. You're in the bag. No, I just, I've made, I had tried to make some commercial records a couple years ago. I actually have one in the stash that's crazy that I love. I'm sitting on it right now. It's a Vibes Cartel, French Montana record. It's fucking awesome. It's produced by Harry Fraud. To me, it's a fucking Eastern Parkway, you know, Labor Day weekend smash.

A lot of coconut oil, a lot of coconut juices floating around. Oil and the juices. Oil and the juices, yeah. But it was just like, to me, I was like, this would come out of nowhere to people, you know, if I just dropped a commercial record. And then also, honestly, it's about do you want to chase people or do you want to get people who want to be on your shit? So about a year and a half ago, two years ago, I started listening to my boy, this dude named Top Shelf Premium. That's his Instagram account. He's a vintage clothes dealer in New York.

He always has artists come to his store and freestyle. And he started sending me music for my show. And so I started getting up on all these new cats. Right around the time Griselda's scorching, etc. And so I was like, yo, instead of chasing other people, let me go back to what I did. Putting people on. You know what I'm saying?

People who, when they hear their record on the radio, still get excited. Like it means something to them. So when I started fucking with these artists, a little while later, I'm saying? Like, people who, when they hear their record on the radio, still get excited. Like, it means something to them. So, when I started fucking with these artists, a little while later, I was like, yo, I can get all these guys on a record. And then I can go get the legends who I fuck with, who will give me some verses. Yeah. And I can bring all of this shit together. You got Ghostface. You got Ray Kwan.

You got Jim Jones. Yeah, Method Man, Styles P. Method Man. And Flea Lord, Rock Marcy. So, I was like, I can put them all together on one project, and it'll be organic. It'll be me. Am I going to make a million dollars?

No. No, you're not going to make a million dollars. Thank you, Nori. I'm just throwing it out there. Thank you, Nori. I'm just throwing it out there. No, no, no, no. I'm not going to make a million dollars.

You're not going to make a million dollars. Maybe in the future. But listen, I immediately went back to, sorry to compare you, but I really went back to stretching barbed wire. Oh, yeah, sure. Right. I overlooked everything else, and I went back. One thing I love about the Khaled album is Khaled album, some people hate it.

I love it. I personally love it because I feel like he put a bunch of hits together, and it resonates, right? So it reminds me of an old Kickapoo tape. Kickapoo was my favorite back then, getting a Kickapoo tape. The thing about your album is it's the exact opposite. Yes. Well, by the way, that's kind of what I hope people say. I love

Khaled. I respect Khaled. I love him personally. I don't want people to think it's like a Khaled album. For me, I wasn't about scoring the biggest names. The thing I'm most proud of, it's a cohesive

hip-hop album. It's not some fucking soundtrack where each song sounds different. You would think all these cats worked together and were in a zone together. They weren't. It's a great synergy when it comes to the beats. I can tell you personally picked the beats. Am I correct with that? And cohesive is a perfect, like, that's the word to use.

And I think there's something to say that that's what Khaled does. Right. Like, that's how he makes his living. Those gotta be hits. Gotta be hits. You know what I'm saying? I'm assuming that you're like, this album's not gonna make you

or break you. This was a passion project. He's rich already. Make some noise for Rich Rolls-Royce. Come on. I've been to his house and I'll bring you side, man.

West side. I'll bring you west side. And by the way, my apartment now is way better than that one. Okay. No, no, but like, listen, I'm not rich in hip-hop terms, but I'm good enough that I don't have to worry about it.

Right. And to me, it's all bonus. It's a passion project. It's all bonus. It's all icing. I just hope one day people come up to me and are like, yo, that fucking Real Late album you dropped, that shit was fucking fire.

And there are people on it, you know, like Rock Marcy right now is a legend. And a lot of people don't know that Rock Marcy is occupying the space that cats like Dilla and Doom, the space they were in, that's who Rock Marcy is right now. And I have him on the project with Flea Lord. And Rock Marcy

is producing as well. He does, but he's not on this. Yeah, I got him. My boy Disco Vietnam. I got my boy who's a 40-year-old Jewish man living on Long Island. Goddamn, make some noise for 40-year-old Jewish. That's the first time we make noise for that. Yeah, it's the first time. No, you did it when I showed up. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

I brought my Jewish conglomerate, too. I don't know if you know. I brought my Jewish conglomerate so you can feel comfortable, you know what I'm saying? Thank you very much. Pick up the Eric and pick up the Diego, goddammit. But, um, okay, floating around. Boom. Now,

there comes a time in Summer Jam history where you fuck Summer Jam up. Let's just throw it out there. Is it time for me to pop a bottle? Which one do you want me to... Let me hear where it goes first,

and then we'll... Okay, no, no, no. Are we popping an ace? Yeah, we're popping an ace of spades. You got approved. Listen, I didn't think you were going to get approved. Man, you got approved.

Listen, listen. I didn't think you were going to get... A lot of artists don't get approved, man., you gotta approve! Listen, listen. I didn't think he was gonna get... A lot of artists don't get approved, man. We mowing on these tables, man. I appreciate that. So I had to make a phone call. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

All right, I'll pop some eggs for this. So which one you want? The gold. The gold? Oh, come on. But you know, this is more expensive. Oh, the pink? Okay, yeah, let's go with the pink.

Why you ask him and then you go with this one? No, because I don't want him to feel jerked. Like, when people see him, they're like, why did he pick the gold? He didn't know the pink was so I went... So you still want to go then they go, but this one. No, because I don't want him to feel jerked. Like, when people see him, they're like, why did he pick the gold? He didn't know the pink was so I want it. So you still want to go pink? I only drink that one. Okay, let's go.

I only drink. Let's go. This 500 is $250. Okay, so. So. Summer Jam 2012. Summer Jam 2012, right? So you fucked this up.

This was. In my opinion, because. In my opinion. This is just my opinion. I consider you my friend So I would have told you this off the side What it was was the timing It wasn't what you said

No It was the timing of what you said And place And how you said it And the fact is This is your headliner Correct This is a female

Oh, this is a Nicki Minaj situation Yes, this is a female Who automatically I don't want to say just sensitive Because she's a female Oh, this is a Nicki Minaj situation Yes, this is a female Who automatically I don't want to say just sensitive Because she's a female But in this situation You know She's the queen of New York

This is New York number one station And you get on What was it? Was it the afternoon? No, no, it was the festival stage So it was Kendrick was about to come out On the festival stage And you bigged up Kendrick

So as part of my way of hyping the crowd for Kendrick was about to come out on the festival stage. And you bigged up Kendrick. So as part of my way of hyping the crowd for Kendrick, you know I'm a wrestling fan. It's all about... Theatrics. It's all about, in wrestling we call it cheap heat, which by the way is the name of my podcast. Subscribe everywhere. Cheap heat means... Cheap heat? Cheap heat.

Oh, cheap heat. I thought you meant like Chia Pet. I was about to say, you bringing back Chia Pets? Let's go, girls. Bring back Chia Pets. So cheap heat. I thought you meant like Chia Pet. No. I was about to say, you bringing back Chia Pets? Let's go, girls. Bring back Chia Pets. Let's go. So cheap heat means in wrestling, if you want to get the crowd hot at you, that's called heat, right? So bad guys want to get heat. The cheapest way to get heat is to get out in the crowd and say, the bad guy comes out in Miami and goes, I can't stand Miami. I'm from New York, whatever.

And if you want a cheap pop, the way you come out is you're like, it's so great to be here in Miami. These are cheap heat and cheap pops. I was doing both. I was really going for a cheap pop because I know that the crowd that's there to see Kendrick, when I say fuck Starships, I know the crowd is going to cheer for that.

We're going to cheer for you right now. Salud. Thank you. Salud. By the way, I don't think we got cheap heat in hip hop I'm sure there is I don't think we do Well, maybe not, you're right, it ended up being expensive, I'm sure

So I tried to pop the crowd by saying Now listen, the truth is, I had already been on the radio dissing Starships at that point for months And you got to realize, us as artists when we have a relationship with you guys, when you diss the record, we don't feel like you're dissing the record. We feel like you're dissing us. And I had no relationship with her.

So it's even worse in some ways because I had, at that time, I didn't know Nicki at all. But Ebro knew Nicki and you're guilty by association. But remember, Nicki's not even really in New York that much at that time, right? She's moving around, she's blowing up. Yeah, but she's still the queen of New York. And she's hearing it from people, though.

That's what's even worse about radio. Yes. People go, so I make a joke, right? Like, I used to make, I used to tease Nikki. I don't know if you sipped that, but when we cheers, you gotta sip it. Okay, all right, cool. I'm not an animal.

All right, cool. So Nikki, at that time, you know, you know what she would do like sort of her voices she would go into like on monster cypher and i when we do the show we would sort of like tease that but not like we were shitting on it we would mimic these voices yeah but it really wasn't shitting on it like we thought she was dope right but when her friend when people hear it right and like yo the fucking safari came up to her. People are telling her, people talk shit. So she already wasn't fucking with us. And then I diss Starships and I'm like, what is this record?

Blah, blah, blah. Let's be clear, it's 2012, so people wasn't going live. So this is not like she could have went and looked at someone's Instagram. So people weren't going live. No, they're hearing, it's still word of mouth. It's still hearsay. Unless it was a clip we put up, she wasn't going

to hear it so and i didn't like starships and i stand by that i think history kind of proved me right on i mean even though she made a boatload of money on it did really well it wasn't it wasn't a record that i liked now i admit i did not at the time think of sort of the implications you know me being a man being a white man who she doesn't know and wasn't even all that established yet shitting on, you know, her record. I now realize sort of the privilege that was built into that. But at the time, I'm just repping for it. To me, it's hip hop all day. Right.

And while I'm regretful about some of those situations, let's be honest. If I wasn't the kind of person who said shit like that, I wouldn't ever be here right now. If you don't have enough swagger and stupid, ill-advised confidence to talk shit, you're not interesting. And I had to show, listen, all the rappers who wanted to fuck me up in the

first few years, most of which I'm close with now, present company included, it all came from a place of, like, I just had stupid confidence that I deserved to be here and should have the conversation. In retrospect, I could see how now that would be considered problematic. Right. But at the time, I was just a guy who was like, I'm trying to get on,

I've studied the game, and I'm going to give my opinion. And that's what Ebro wanted me to do. So I was just doing what I thought I was supposed to do. But let's just be clear. All right, cool. Let's take away the fact that she's a girl. Let's take away the fact that she's the queen of NY, right? Let's take away the fact for that right now.

Just the fact that there was the headliner. Yes, that's the stupid part. Yeah, there is. And it was streaming on her website. Oh, wait a minute. What? So she was streaming? On her website, they had the live

for all the Barbz so the next thing I know the next thing I know I'm on the side of the stage and the Barbz are throwing Ebro comes up to me

where the show's about to start Ebro's like yo do you say something about Nikki on the festival stage? and I swear to god I was like

I didn't remember I was like oh yeah yeah I did I did I talked shit about Starships he was like yeah she pulled out of the show

and I was like the next second I talked shit about Starships. He was like, yeah, she pulled out of the show. Oof. And I was like, the next second I go on my phone, I open up Twitter, I just see trending. Peter Rosenberg. I was like, well, this is not good. Right. She's not doing the show. And so the first thing I'm worried about, naturally, is my job. Right. You know, I've

only been there a few years at that point, and I'm like, I just cost us Nicki Minaj at Summer Jam. Right. That was fucking stupid. And you're right. The time and place was ridiculous. Right. And I just wasn't being thoughtful. It was just fucking stupid.

Poor judgment on your part. Now, could you have rectified that situation? Had you apologized right then and there, or that was not the case? That was probably too late at that moment. No one even considered that. And this is where hot, you know, listen, Ebro and Flex, both do, neither has a small ego either. So,

while I'm sure they might have been upset with me on some level, though neither ever said they were upset with me, they both just went the other way. It's like the brothers in blue, like. They said, well, let's not do any cop shit with you. Nope. It was like the brokers

at Hot 97. They're still pounding the situation. Cold blue, cold blue. How about just the Hot 97 show? Anyways, yeah, no, I think they went with like, oh, they're pulling out? Fuck that.

We're Hot 97. No one's pulling out on our shit. It's Summer Jam. Right. So they took that approach of defending me and then, of course, it got messy

because all young money pulled out. Wow. Oh, yeah. Busta was not happy with me. You know who I do have a great relationship with, and he was not happy. That was one of the many times I've been— Oh, Busta was on Cash Money at the time. He was coming out.

Okay, okay. And guess who else was? Khaled. Not happy. So, you know, people weren't happy. But at the same time, everyone was cool in the long run. You know, it took some time with Nikki to smooth things over. Because you did eventually apologize to her, correct?

I did. And I watched the video again recently. She definitely sunned the living shit out of me on camera. Describe the situation. A year later, before Summer Jam, Ebro sets up this whole thing for me to go come face-to-face with her. First of all, Ebro had to be there, which is, I don't know if she didn't want to be in the movie.

Nikki might have fucked you up. I'm just throwing it out there. You're right. You know what? It probably helped. I might have put my money on Nikki. And I just sat there one-on-one with her and she just sort of... Were you intimidated? Nikki seems a little intimidating. What?

Nikki is super intimidating. And in that moment, I was shook. And I took my lumps and said, I'm sorry. And she said, you're not smart. You're not funny. You're this, you're that. And honestly, not all that's true. I am rather smart and funny. But it's okay. I understand

why you're not feeling me. I apologized. This is at the station? Yeah. And then the truth is, though I don't talk to Nikki anymore, the truth is we had a period after that, over a couple of of years where we were actually pretty cool. Like, we would actually text and talk about music. And I would give—

You're lost on us. You heard him text. Well, not anymore. All those numbers are coming up green. You're lost on us. Make some noise for him. He's lost. Yeah, Nicki Minaj.

I once texted with Nicki Minaj. No, no, that shit comes up green now. But, you know, we had a period where we were cool. And, like, even the next year at Summer Jam, like, that shit comes up green now. But, you know, we had a period where we were cool. And like, even the next year at Summer Jam, like, we talked on stage and, I don't know, I actually felt the same. You know when you beef with people or have a feud

with someone? Right. Once you make up, there is some sort of odd kinship that exists. Right, yeah. Like, I'm not saying Nikki likes me. I don't know how Nikki feels about me at all. But I know that at that time, I definitely felt some level of closeness. You went through some shit and you got through it. And by the way, for the record,

as mad as she was at me, after that whole shit, her next album was her most hip-hop and most successful. She bodied her next album. What was the next album? I forgot the name. I think the next one was Pink Friday. Or was it Pink Print?

I love how you grabbed the phone. Instead of thinking how we used to do back in the days. By the way, it's so fucked up. It's so fucked up that you are literally correct. That is what I do now. You literally didn't think. Well, she had a lot of albums at this point. So you're taking credit for that next album.

Yo, you're a good radio host. No, we're not radio. We're not radio. No, Pink Friday, Roman Reloaded might have been the one with Starships on it. So it would have been the next one in 2014, which was the pink print. Okay.

No, I'm not taking credit. Nice try, EFN. You've really developed and deployed the host. However, I do think that that situation maybe impacted her to some level and she was like yawning through this hip hop shit and let's be honest.

Maybe even subconsciously. We all want Nikki rapping. I can't lie. I love her singing. I love her doing the pop shit because me being from Queens and knowing where she comes from i know what that's secure in the bag but um at the end of the day i do love when she spits but a part of

me you know to be honest like i said when i first heard like the first five records to your album i was like it reminded me of the days where i got nowhere so sorry you know that is the that is the illest disrespect and it's not because it's what got you where you are. It's what got you there. It's the war report. It's the foundation. Yes, yes. And it got me nowhere.

No, it's not true. It got you everywhere. That's what I'm reminding you of. Prior to the war report. No, no, no. Prior to the war report. Not the actual war report, but prior to the war report. What it is is...

When you were... What was your name? Yuzle Buzle without the Buzle Buzle? It was Yahoo with the ball to beat. And by the way, and by the way, your War Report is the most hardcore underground shit ever. My shit sounds like the pink print next to fucking War Report. I mean, like, don't get it twisted, Norris.

You dropped the hardest album of all time. No, no, but I literally listened to your joint, and I was like, wow. Just remember, Fat Man Scoop had a late night show before. Yeah, yeah, over this. It reminded me of that. Like, the late night show with Fat Man Scoop had a late night show before you. It reminded me of that. Like the late night show with Fat Man Scoop.

Like pre-K Slay. Pre-K Slay. And it was like, you know, I'm not saying the album, I'm saying me. Like when I was making that type of music, making it that way,

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because you get this upfront money, blah, blah, blah, but then where do you go from there? The beauty is now, Nori, you can be a middle class or upper middle class rapper. You can be a guy whose stream shits on a medium level and live. No label needed, no radio play needed. Yo, you don't even need a radio song. And you go do shows

and you can do 500 seaters all year round, travel, make money. Go to Europe. Go to Europe, go to Japan. So like, I actually think the opportunity for the artists that are on my record, it's better now than it ever was in your day. Because even when you were putting out the most hardcore shit,

you still were hoping, well, they'll play T-O-N-Y. Well, do they even hear it somewhere else? That's the crazy shit. But there was a monopoly by the record labels to get this music out and sold. And now it really exists.

You got to realize, if I didn't go to that place, I didn't see it. I didn't know anybody played my... Like, literally, I did not know people played my record in Virginia. I literally didn't know people

played my record in D.C. It's because if I didn't actually get there, there was no way for me to do that. And if the record labels knew it, they weren't telling me. Right. So I thought I was hiding New York City, the whole war report. I never knew people in Jamaica, not Jamaica, Queens, is listening to this shit.

I didn't know that. So, like, the algorithms and all that shit didn't exist. Right. Now it does. And now it does. And we're still not getting the technical numbers. No, no, no. When we're looking at the streams algorithms all that shit didn't exist. Right. Now it does. And now it does. So I do think And we're still not getting the technical numbers. No, no, no.

Like when we're looking at the streams and all that And also, yeah, and believe me, I can tell like I can already tell that my streams are going to be a harder ride

than it is for some people. You can see the system still rigged because my shit's organic. My shit's getting listened to the amount of times this place gets Whose shit is not organic?

Who knows? Honestly, I literally don't even know. So you saw us listen to it twice today? Yeah, like I saw it said EFN it said one listen to Miami I'm like it's played. Whose shit is not organic? You saw us listen to it twice today? Yeah, I saw. It said EFN. It said one listen to Miami. I'm like, that's EFN. No, that was me then.

That was me, bro. I listened. I got through. You know, yesterday I felt... He listened to half. I listened to half. Thank you. Okay, so you said lyricist and I. Cool. You know what was the L thing the other day?

I'm sitting there just randomly listening to my iPod, which is my iPhone. I got songs on repeat. Excuse me, on shuffle. And these Nas songs come on. And I literally can't picture these beats without Nas on them, which was different. Like right now, I heard some producer, I think it was T-Pain, say, yo, we should just thank the producers right now because the beats is hard. No one's really paying attention. They're paying attention to the melody.

But is that something that's a problem? Like back then, the beat would be 50% of it. Right. And the lyrics would literally be the other 50% of the beat. Right. And the lyrics would literally be the other 50% of the beat. Right. Now, we're just listening to the melody and,

and because you play a lot of it. Yeah, we do in the morning. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I'm embarrassed to say how little of it

I know in the morning. Like, I have become that guy. I'm scared. I don't even want to give Ebro the idea of like, let's quiz Rosenberg

on what we're playing right now, because I really, unless I hear Pop Smoke's voice or Lil Baby, I don't know who the fuck we're playing. I've been listening to Corey Ray for a month. I had no idea that was her. I didn't know she was talking about my man. I was like, holy shit! Even I knew that.

It's almost a diss record. Oh my God. I didn't know. Shout out to Corey Ray. I was in LA for's almost a diss record. Yeah, I know. Oh, my God. I didn't know. Shout out to Corlore. I was in L.A. for a month listening to this thing. I had no idea. It's not that I think it's bad at all. You know, people enjoy it.

And by the way, there are great rappers, right? Like, I think Lil Baby's a great rapper. Okay, Lil Baby. All right, because the baby. All right. Lil Baby's cool and has ill swag and is an interesting guy, but Lil Baby is like an MC. Lil Baby can rap his ass off.

And he's on the Cole album. He bodies the fucking Cole album. You know, I think Roddy Rich is an ill, in general, you know, with everything he does. So it's not that you have to be rapping in a traditional sense. I just want to see shit be creative and dope. Creative is the word. And like, you know,

sometimes there's good shit and there's bad shit. I'm in front of Kodak Black. By the way. Oh, y'all have me with Kodak Black. That's right. Both of y'all. You're probably kidding me. And by the way, Kodak. He wasn't matter to me.

By the way, I was very into Kodak's music. I love that Patty Cake shit so much. That record is so ill. No, Kodak's pretty ill, to be honest with you. He's ill. He's ill.

Awkward moment, but ill rapper. There's a bunch of them that I think are really dope. But listen, I'm always going to have... Lil T.J.? T.J.'s dope.

I fuck a Lil T.J. I fuck with C.J. I fuck with C.J. too.. But listen, I'm always going to have... Lil' TJ? TJ is dope. I fuck a Lil' TJ. I fuck with CJ. I fuck with CJ, too. But, I mean, I'm not going to... I fuck with Fabio Farren. Fabio Farren? Fabio Farren. You know, I'm dyslexic. You're dyslexic? I'm dyslexic, yes. You actually got it right for dyslexic. Who else? Fabio is exactly right. Dream Doll.

I love Dream Doll. Dream Doll is dope, actually. She can rap, too. It's about who has the story though Who's really interesting You're too much into wrestling and boxing That's what's real You know what's crazy Dave? It was a great show on HBO called 24-7

Oh yeah it's great And I don't know if you remember They would take 24-7 would take the most Non-interested person Yo that's so true And make them interested And I agree with you to a certain extent

But I don't want us to create the story Because that's the only thing with 24-7 I would be mad at is they would take a non-interested person, make them interested, and then when 24-7 is over the person is non-interested again. It was just to get you to want to watch the fight.

It was just to get you to watch the fight. The thing is I want the people to create the real narrative. Correct. Take the real narratives and do that. So that's what you're saying. These rappers are not having a story right now? I think they may have stories, but social media makes it look like all their stories are the same.

They damn sure sound the same. It's like a carbon copy. It's not that I think none of them are interesting or have a life to speak of. It's just like because of social media and everyone basically doing the same thing, like, there's never going to be a time

in my life when I don't find holding up money in an Instagram story stupid. Never. Like, no matter how young or old I was, the idea that cats

are showing money to the world to me is the craziest thing on earth. And also, and then not only is it stupid and dangerous, but it's boring. It's fucking boring. It's not that... And what is it stupid and dangerous, but it's boring.

It's fucking boring. It's not that... And what does it accomplish? You ain't gonna see me do it because I ain't got it, Rosenberg. I ain't got it, man. You ain't gonna see me do it.

Actually, Mayhem Loren has a line on my album where he says something like, I don't hold money to my ear, but best believe I got it. It's like,

it just doesn't make sense to me. But more importantly, from an artistic standpoint, I don't I got it. It's like, it just doesn't make sense to me. But more importantly, from an artistic standpoint, I don't find it interesting. Like, you know, I think a lot of people have been, whether they admit it or not, annoyed with how much I supported Kendrick. I've heard about that constantly throughout

my career. Annoyed that you support him early on? They're annoyed that I went as hard as I did for Kendrick. Let's just throw it out there. Actually, I believe the word that Lupe used was nut hugger. Okay. But dick riding and nut hugging is dick riding a Jace, for sure. This is custom.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. But the thing is. Give me a champagne cup, too. I have, okay. What are you guys doing? This is drink shots. Don't worry about it.

What shot do you want? I want you guys to know I will do one shot. Yeah, okay. But no, no, that's for real. I'm not going to do a second one. Give him that Columbia White, baby. Yeah, what is it you're giving me, too? Hey, man, you can pick your poison, man.

This is a rock. This is hip-hop. Oh, it's a rock. By the way, I don't know if you know. You're on a hip-hop show. So it's a rock. Drinking hip-hop shit. Yo, it's a space of a rock.

Yeah, we doing it. Make some motherfucking noise for all the hip-hop brits. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo. Yeah, yours? Boom. Come on, let me give some of mine. You got mine already? Yeah. All right a kiss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah, yours. Boom. Come on and give some of mine. You got mine already?

Yeah. All right, cool. You got yours? We don't know what you know, but our show is about giving people their flowers, where they can smell them, their roses, when they can tell them, their drinks, when they can tell them,

and their smoke, when they can sell them. I don't know. I got it all wrong. What? But you get this shit. And you know what? I don't know. I got it all wrong. But you get the shit. And you know what? I called you personally. I wanted you to be here because it's time for you to get your motherfucking flowers, sir.

Thank you, man. I appreciate you. By the way, on Drink Chats, we had, you know, 50 Cent here, Nas here, Puff Daddy here. You're the only one who's telling us what amount of shots you're using and telling us what amount. So at some point, we're going to break this. Don't worry about it. We're going to get into it. By the way, you're full of shit because I just watched Cam Ron turn down drinks for three hours.

Me and Cam had beef. We squashed it on the air. Me and you don't have beef. No, we did. We did. We had a brief beef. Okay, let's talk about the brief beef. We had a brief beef.

I don't remember this. You don't remember either? I was hoping you would. Okay, tell me. All I know is something happened. You were trying to set— we were trying to arrange something. Okay. And somehow you thought I was fucking blocking in some way.

Really? And all I know is I was on set. This is very vague, man. Bro, I wish I remembered. Something, something blocked something, something. Well, you don't remember either. So all I know is I was on set at Hip Hop Squares. Oh.

And he was calling me like pissed off. Like I'm going to fucking come through. Okay. And we were already cool at this point. Yo, he flipped on me. It was one of those things where I thought we were good. You caught on bad Virgo. And I caught on him.

Yo, and he flipped. It was a full Nori flip. And I know we made, it was cool. In the end, I know you were wrong. And we made amends. It was all good. Because I remember going to Hollywood Squares, and I think that's the first time me meeting Amber Rose.

That sounds right, yes. She was there. Amber was there. All I know is he was madares, and I think that's the first time me meeting Amber Rose. That sounds right, yes. She was there. Amber was there. All I know is he was mad at me and thought I—you know, a lot of times shit happens at Hot, and because I'm the person people are cool with or know— They popping bottles over there. —when they get upset, that's Ike. Ike just keeps popping bottles by himself.

Yeah, he just showing off for you. Oh, yeah. I think when shit goes left at Hot, they can take it out on the people that they know. And I'm like, I really I wish I was a boss sometimes, but I'm not. I really show up and just do my job and I talk and do my thing. So, I remember

one year, Summer Jam, Travis Scott called me at 10 a.m. and he's like, Rosenberg, yo, Rosenberg, I need to figure out my fucking lights. They won't hit me back. I'm trying to have a fucking crane and blah, blah, blah. And you're like, Iberg, yo, Rosenberg, I need to figure out my fucking lights. They won't hit me back. I'm trying to have a fucking crane and a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, I got nothing to do with that. I was like, Travis, you think I know what the production?

So I was like, here's Ebro's number. Right. Go ahead and call him. I do not do Summer Jam. But I don't think people understand that, like, they just assume my name's Rosenberg. Right. I've been there a long time i can get shit done but i'm really the guy who's my job has always been to just be myself and that's why i'm incredibly

blessed for the job i have but i don't wield fucking power at hot except to play the records i want to play bro if i wielded if i wielded power at hot right the playlist would look a lot fucking different than it looks right now right They ever try to pay you to play a record? People have. Yeah, people have. And that was a... It's a scriber situation. You're at Houston's.

I've only been to the New York Houston's like once. 30 Second Street, something like that. By the way, and it's not on the menu. Okay. But that fried chicken salad, the chicken tender salad, not on the menu. Okay.

Not on the menu. No, no, it's crazy. You got to be connected. I don't know. It comes with on the menu. Okay. But that fried chicken salad, the chicken tender salad, not on the menu. Okay. Not on the menu. No, no, it's crazy. You got to be connected. You got to know. All right, cool. It comes with the peyote. Yeah, it comes with the peyote and the mescaline. Oh, and the peyote.

Yeah, so. We said peyote, brother. Oh, you said peyote? I said it comes with the peyote. You agreed to it. You was like, yeah. No, so I've only had it happen a couple times. Okay.

How does this happen? You're a Red Lobster, not on? No, it was actually, it's often outside of Hot 97. That's the craziest part. On camera? Yeah, it's like, yo, first of all, I don't take money for records. Never have, never will. Second of all, you're walking up to me outside the front door.

I don't know what shit used to be like, but that's fucking insane. But I made a deal with myself just like, I didn't even have to. I would never play a whack record. I always say to people, if they want to pay me to play a record, I would say, if you send me some shit that I like, I will play the record. I don't need money.

Mr. Lee, you're two Spanish guys. You're the loudest ones here. You got to relax. You know, Power 105 is going at it with Hot 97, Hot 97 going at it with Power 105. There's this list. We don't know if this exists or not, right? But somehow Funk Flex gets a hold of this list

from what I heard. And he meets up with all the DJs, whether they Power 105, whether they Hot 97, and he flips on them. He goes, yo, man, you know, we all should be getting enough money that we should not be taking money, them. He goes, yo, man, you know, we all should be getting enough money that we should not be taking money, one, and then two,

because Young M.A.'s second single didn't get pushed because they said the DJs in New York didn't play it. Have you ever heard this story? I have never heard this story. But because of what? Because they didn't get the bag. They got the

bag. They wanted the bag from? From Duck Down or... I was going to say from Druha? Yeah. That seems crazy. What was Young M.A.'s first single? Ooh. Ooh. So I guess... By the way, all-time classic. Classic. We need to pay respect. Classic. Don't ever forget. Let's make some noise for Young M.A.

Make some noise for fucking Ooh. That Ooh and Bobby Shmurda back-to-back moment was fire. So there's a rumor. No disrespect, you're probably not, you're not, they don't probably concede a real DJ. No, they don't. I'm not a club DJ.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they went to, this is the rumor. Okay. Flex stepped to everyone from Power 105, so he had a meeting, he had a, a do-lo-ma-na-mi-ni-me-in, like a DJ Illuminati meeting. DJ Illuminati? DJ Illuminati. DJ Illuminati me in. DJ Illuminati?

DJ Illuminati. I've heard you say a lot of crazy shit. DJ Illuminati. DJ Illuminati. DJ Illuminati. I'm going to spell that out in the screen. And it was addressed like yo, blah, blah, whoop,

and one of the main reasons was we had a New York star you know Young M.A. and woo what was it woo

woo number one whatever we had to do but the second single came and every DJ felt like they didn't want to play it this is the rumor and if I remember correctly

that second single was pretty dope it was pretty dope I think Young M.A. is pretty dope period but what I'm saying is I'm just, that second single was pretty dope. It was pretty dope. I think Young M.A. is pretty dope, period. But what I'm saying is I'm just bringing that up to say, have you ever dealt with that type of shit? Because, you know, for us, New York, we ran the world.

Yep. It's kind of hard for us to sit back and watch Atlanta. It's kind of hard for us to sit back and watch anybody in a certain state doing what they got to do when we're not at the forefront. But then we realize and we hear that there's a reason why. There's certain people who want to be paid.

Like, I think that when it comes from your own, I think that should never be approached. Obviously, I'm just asking you your opinion. Yeah, by the way, this is so boring that my answer is I have no idea. And I know I can already see the YouTube comments. Yeah, fucking right, you don't know. You're the worst one. You're part of the Jumanati.

Yeah, you're the one. That's because your father owns the whole radio station. His father owns it? Yeah, oh, I get it all. Your industry plant? Oh, yeah, how did you get this job? You're the rock that the radio's on My mom was a kindergarten teacher She hooked me up

I've never been close to that shit Ever Now, I've heard stories from back in the day Just like you asking questions No, I know for a fact Please remember what I said Because they'll kill me for cutting you off I know for a fact

Form Master Flex does not do it I've tried any which way, shape, form, or fashion. I've tried to buy car rims off of him. I've tried to be any way, shape, form. Funk Flex, one million percent his integrity. If he likes my record, he's going to play it. If he doesn't like my record, he's going to say, I don't like it. He'll still play it once.

It's no bombs. It's very, very seldom. But when he does like my record, he goes in. So I can never be mad when he likes somebody else's record. But continue your statement. I have never seen it, never heard of it. And frankly, if people say that, I think it's excuse making.

Like, we need to be better in New York. We need to make better music. That's the issue. Hold on, my brother's calling. Okay, cool. Yo, Nick, I'm on Drink Champs right now. You want to say anything on Drink Champs? Yeah, yeah.

This is a lot. Nick's ahead of Nori and EFL. What's going on, Nick? What's going on, Nick? What's going on, Nick? The guy who got me into hip-hop. Oh, good. Can I call you back?

Listen, what are you guys talking about? Nori's asking me... How can I come into a conversation and be like, face something? He's in the Digimonati. Yeah, no, no, Nick,

I'm telling the story about how our family is in the Illuminati and how I got the job in 1997 because Dad rules the world. No, no, don't say it. I'll call you back

after this What were we talking about? I'm still into it No, the payola stuff Never seen it And the secret DJ meeting I believe it's excuse making What do you mean?

I believe that New York Just for a while Wasn't making hot shit No, I know for a fact The situation is a fact So hold on I'm painting it as a rumor But for a fact

But you're saying Flex had a meeting and told everyone, you cannot take money for records. He was disappointed. I heard that he had a tear in his eye. Because of her record not getting played. He didn't know that people were actually doing that. And when he realized that she came out with another record

and he was the only one playing it... Got it. So, you're saying... Something like that. I'm paraphrasing somewhere. Okay, got it, got it. So, basically, they fucked with Ooh because it was hot. But on the next one, they were like saying that. Something like that. I'm paraphrasing somewhere. Okay, got it, got it. So basically, they fucked with ooh because it was hot,

but on the next one, they were like, nah, you got to pay this time. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, that would be a fucking disgrace. And we,

anyone would deserve whatever they get for that. You know, I don't know anyone. Like, I got to tell you guys, like the DJs, you're friends with all of them. Right.

Like, you know, from Syph, Camillo, Enough, Cass, Trends, like everyone I know up there has been a straight dude, like a straight Enough, Cass, Trends. Everyone I know up there has been a straight up dude since I got there. But there's some. Let's be clear. We're naming the good cops.

It's like when you get, the good cops, I'm the officer for three years. There's a lot of bad cops. There's a lot of bad ones. Let's be honest here. DJ is more integrity. No, no, no. But this is the thing.

What was created for DJs to create some kind of situation that benefits somebody is the DJ crews. Yes. And the DJ crews is like mafia shit. Yeah, because you got to get...

Look at DMX's first album, Listen and Party. It was all heavy hitters. That was definitely the Columbo family. Right, exactly. So it may not be payola, but it was something like that.

It's not payola. But no, that's true because the crews make it complicated because you want a whole crew to support your record. Right. You know?

And listen, I'm sure I'm going to encounter that right now. I'm going to be just hitting up every DJ randomly myself, being like, hey, is there anything

you can play on this? Right. No, but listen, I can't ever condone a dj doing some shit like that i've been on my own fucking island bro playing the music i'm gonna play for i can't believe they let me do it for 13 years i've never been paid for my sunday night show i make my own playlist no one says a fucking word i have never oh no i did i had one little period where they started telling me i needed to play hits in my show. I forgot. Yo, I forgot that happened.

And for about a year, they were like, send us the playlists. It was because of a whack boss we had. Not Ebro, some whack dude who was there. That's the late night show? Yes. There was a period where they were like, you need to on Sundays. We want to make sure that we're spinning other records too. So I played along with them for like six months,

and then slowly but surely they forgot. A new person in and i'm no one bothers me about my shit and i'm very grateful like on sundays i literally can chill in my house and be like what am i playing you know like when x passed god rest the dead i was able to be like i'm gonna do an hour of x on late night and yeah and i'm gonna play the most random shit that people don't remember i can tell them what late night what time it comes on. Tell them. Every, if you're in New York or anywhere in the world, you can stream it every Sunday night,

midnight Eastern. So it's Sunday into Monday, midnight to two. And I get to do whatever the fuck I want. I've done it now for 13 years. And you know, listen, it's a weird time to get to have this gig. Like this isn't the glory years.

I'm not, I'm not stretching Bob. I'm never going to be viewed as stretching Bob because this isn't the glory, you know, the era, the golden years. I've got stretching Bob. I'm never going to be viewed as stretching Bob because this isn't the glory, you know, the era, the golden years. I've got a question about stretching Bob before we go to Quick Time and Fly. I thought we were going to commercial. I was like, what? No, no, no. Glory years?

Okay. That's not the time I've been in, unfortunately. I've been on at the time actually where everyone's kind of moved on from the golden era and I've been the dude who continues to try to put my flag down for the shit that I love. While growing with the times, you know, I've supported all the biggest artists, not all, but a lot of the biggest artists over the last decade. You know, from Cole to Kendrick to Mac Miller, God bless the dead.

Logic. Earl Sweatshirt, Logic. A lot of, there have been a ton of, I played Odd Future for the first time. I played Frank Ocean for the first time. When you Google you, they say that you were the first person to play Earl Sweatshirts and had an interview with him. First interview ever with Earl Sweatshirts. I was waiting for him to get back from Samoa. That was... You know when those guys are... Fucking Tyler's a Grammy-winning legend now.

He's a new RZA. Yeah, he is. I think I'm the exact same way. He's going to make movies. He's going to do everything. I know I've been talking shit about him, but he's a new RZA. Yeah, he is. I think I'm the exact same way. He's going to make movies. He's going to do everything. I know I've been talking shit about him, but he's the new RZA.

But it shows you why you shouldn't neglect these artists that you are putting on because what he's saying with all the lyrics and this and that, no, it shows you

the type of artist that can come out of this. The early Odd Future shit was the dirtiest, grimiest shit ever. Now, granted, they were sort of playing characters

and Tyler knew what he was doing, but the bottom line is musically, if you go back the dirtiest, grimiest shit ever. Now, granted, they were sort of playing characters, and Tyler knew what he was doing, but the bottom line is, musically, if you go back and watch their first video, they're fucking breaking teeth and bleeding and doing crazy shit in the videos. It was some real,

it reminded me of some fucking Onyx, you know, M.O.P. We're going to really push the boundaries, fuck you, of everything. I don't know, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. It was refreshing what they were doing. No, of everything. I mean, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. It was refreshing

what they were doing. No, it was. And so, listen, the fact is, I've lived a... While my radio show, I don't think, has ever gotten

the glory and flowers that I would have liked it to, though I'm deeply appreciative of you guys who have always treated me that way. It means a lot to me. And there are pockets of people who treat me that way.

Diddy's always been that way. Busta, Swizz. Like, there are pockets of people who treat me that way. Diddy's always been that way. Busta, Swizz. Like, they're a guy... The guys who spend time in New York. Because they drive around. Like, Diddy... The reason Diddy and I have a relationship is because Diddy used to drive around at night, and people don't know that Diddy's a fucking head. And he'd be like, yo, what is this shit that you're... What did you play

at 1255? You know, so it was shit like that. That's how you discovered Biggie, or some underground shit. So, yeah. He still has that mentality to some degree. So while I didn't always get, I don't necessarily always get the Stretch and Bob treatment of like, oh, thank God

for Peter Rosenberg. Ultimately, my life has been filled with so many blessings because, oh, ASAP Mob, they're a great example. Rocky always heaps praise on me. Bronson always does too. And I'm super grateful

for the ones who always, the New York, yo, Bronson's queens all day. Rocky always heaps praise on me. Bronson always does too. And I'm super grateful for the ones who always... The New York... Yo, Bronson's Queens all day. Rocky and Ferg are fucking Harlem. Those cats kind of understand it because they knew what it meant to hear it on the radio still. We live in an era now where not for... It doesn't mean the same thing for everyone.

No, not at all. But the fact is, the fact that I got to be around these guys, you know, like Childish Gambino, who I played on the radio for the first time too. Gambino is one of the most brilliant minds in entertainment, period. Word. You know what like Childish Gambino, who I played on the radio for the first time, too. Gambino is one of the most brilliant minds in entertainment, period. You know what I'm saying? Put me on Atlanta, Gambino, go.

Were you on Atlanta? No, I want to be. Oh, you said again. I'm trying to throw my shot. Go ahead, go ahead. What's going on? I auditioned for Atlanta and didn't get on. Oh, really?

They asked me to audition for an episode of Atlanta at the very beginning. What was the role? So I'm going to tell you this story because you're going to love this. I feel like you was working in a laundromat. No. No.

You're family owned the radio station. I hope your listeners appreciate, and I know they do because y'all are it right now, but I hope listeners appreciate the level of that one-liner. Yo, that was dead pan. I feel like you were in a laundromat. So Gambino and Pham, they hit me up and they're like, hey, we're putting on a TV show. We want you to audition for a part. I'm like, okay, cool. He sends me the script. I read the script. It happened. It's episode one of Atlanta,

playing a radio DJ. I look at the script. I read it. I look at my ex-wife at the time. I'm like, they have the N-word in here. I call Fam, Gambino's manager. I'm like, yo, guys, you put the N-word in the fucking script. I don't say the N-word. I'm expected about you. He goes, it's called acting.

I was like, fuck you. All right, let me think about it. So I spent days thinking about what I was going to do. Should I do it? Should I not do it? How would it play? What is the Breakfast Club going to do with the audio when the episode airs? And by the way, I would have been playing a radio personality.

How many people are going to believe it's just real? So I weighed this out. I talked to Ibro. I talked to my boy, Shani Culture. I'm like, what should I do? I'm not even comfortable. I know this sounds crazy and people don't believe it.

I haven't said that word. My parents raised me from the very beginning. Goddamn, make some noise for you, goddamn it. My parents raised me from the very beginning. Well, my parents,

I used to shame other children if I ever heard it. I just was like, I didn't even understand it. My parents just said, that's a word you don't say. So I talked to everybody about it. I'm like, I'm not even comfortable doing this. So I talked to Ibro and Shani. Everyone was like, I didn't even understand it. My parents just said, that's a word you don't say. So, so I talked to everybody about it. I'm like, I'm not even comfortable doing this.

So I talked to you, bro. And Sean, everyone's like, bro, you got it. If you, I was like, I think this show is going to be legendary though. Legendary. And they're like, so you saw it already. Oh, I knew it was, it was Donald show. I knew. So I decided to do it.

I decided to do it. I practice it and practicing it. I only felt comfortable practicing it with black people. I was like, I'm not going to sit around with another white person and practice saying the N-word. So my boy shotty culture. Sounds mad awkward already. But I was like, if I'm going to have to do this thing, I'm not going to do this secluded with white people. I'm not saying getting comfortable with this. So I practiced it. I could tell he was like, this isn't that

believable. I did the audition. Didn't get the part. I ran into fam. I'm like, so what happened? He was like, just couldn't believe you're saying the N-word. I was like, bro, I told you. He was like, it's just you're too nice a guy. Because if you remember episode one, basically the DJ

seems like, hey, I'm a cool DJ. And then he drops the N-word because he's a douchebag. And I just wasn't able to pull off the douchebag. In retrospect, it was for the best. Who wound up doing it? A random dude. Yeah, it wasn't a DJ. It wasn't like bootleg Kev came in.

No, it wasn't a DJ. So in the end, I think it's probably best it didn't happen. But I'm not going to lie. I did want to be part of that show because I knew it was history. I knew this show was going to be iconic. That's fine. So now this is a part of the show we call Quick Time with Slime. Quick Time or Slime? Quick Time with Slime.

Quick Time with Slime. Yeah, so. You're Slime. Yeah, but it's one or the other. And you're quick. Yeah, yeah. And you've got to be, pause. So it's one or the other. And you're quick. Yeah, yeah. And you got to be, pause. You got to, yeah. So it's one or the other.

And if you want to pick both, it's great, but you got to take a shot. It's just the way it happens. We'll get you cars. Oh, guess what? I'm talking. Everyone, everyone, everyone. Nas or Jay-Z? Shot, shot, shot, shot, shot.

If you want to pick both, you take a shot. If you pick both, you take a shot. If you pick both, you take a shot. And you can't really explain much. You just got to answer. Oh, sorry, I'm already ruining it? I'm already fucking it up? Yeah, it's called quick time. Shot?

Jay-Z, Jay-Z. Okay, all right, cool, all right, cool. I didn't expect that. Barely, barely. Okay, respect or loyalty? Loyalty. All right, DMX or Tupac? I'm getting your shot ready.

I don't think you can pick either. I mean, I'm... I think I know what he's going to pick. No, I'm... Who's he going to pick? Well, this is hard. It depends on what thing you're looking for. But for me personally, when it comes to music, DMX.

Okay. All right, cool. I didn't expect that. All right. Miami or L.A.? L.A. Sorry. Fuck you. You know you're in Miami right now, right? Okay, alright, cool, I didn't expect that Miami or LA? LA Sorry Fuck you

You know you're in Miami right now, right? I'm part LA too I'm in Miami, I'm in Miami You got to take a shot for switching No, no, no, LA No, no, no I said LA very quickly actually In a room full of Miami motherfuckers

I deserve credit for that one more than any of them Alright, 90s or 2000 hip-hop? 90s Pharrell or Kanye, producer? Or artist? Take that shot, man. How many more do you have?

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Shout out to Elliot Wilson We miss you We miss the train We miss the Elliot Wilson train He hasn't sent the Elliot Wilson train since COVID Let's get out of COVID Are you going to pick COVID or another disease?

COVID or rap radar COVID or HIV That was not a question disease. COVID or rap radar? COVID or HIV. Let me stop. Let me stop. That was not a question. I know COVID very quickly. That was not a question. Alright. The Knicks or the Nets? Oh, well, Knicks.

Alright. You got to pick one boat. Well, I'm not a fan of either. I'm a Celtics fan, but I'll say Knicks. I pull for the Knicks more. Alright. Cardi B or Nicki Minaj? Is that the last one? We got two more after it. But it's pretty easy. Two more after it.

Yeah, it's pretty easy. This is the last. Yeah, let's just go. I'll take a shot. Let's go with the shot. I'll take a shot. I got one more. Organic Food Kings or GMO Food Kings?

Which one should I say? Organic Food Kings. Organic Food Kings? Which one should I say? Organic Food Kings! Get Organic Food Kings! Big up to Organic Food Kings. Vegan. Go ahead. Keep going. They feeding us.

They feeding us, goddammit. Hold on, Roseberry. I'm not going to put no ice in this one. Hold on, let me get some of my mahoorah. I'm not going to put no ice in this one. Yo, that was fucked up. You knew that you put me in an impossible spot for the last one. At least you had to, because everyone takes shots. Like, Fat Joe said, I'm not drinking.

We came to here, he drinks seven shots. Which one was it for Joe? What got Joe? Do you remember? A couple of them. Yeah, I was going to say, Joe's not taking J or Nas. Other than, no, no, we put Remy Ma and Nicky. Or like Remy Ma and Cardi or something like that. Oh, my God.

And he took Remy Ma. Okay, so you ready? This should be easy for you as well Ricky Martin what'd you say? Remy Ma Oh Puff Puff Daddy or Dr. Dre? Dr. Dre

Daddy Puff Podcast or radio? Radio Over podcast? Really? Well It's your job Puff. Podcast or radio? Radio. Over podcast? Really? Well, it's your job.

NY or DC? Yo, I'm sorry. It's NY for me. I didn't think. I might take a shot. I might take a shot just because I thought you were going to pick DC. Yo, listen, I love DC. It'll always be where I'm from.

It's where my family lives. The thing is, these formative years for me, I've been in New York. You know how when you go back to New York, probably, there are things that you're like, I barely even recognize this. This is so different. That's what it's like when I go back to DC. And you know what I say when I go back to New York? I'll be like, fuck this place. Right? Like, only you can say that.

You don't say that about Queens. I say it about New York, period, until I land. When I land, I'll be like, damn, I missed this. You know what I did for the first time recently? I missed it. I missed it when I landed. My girl's about Queens. I say it about New York, period, until I land. When I land, I'm like, damn, I missed this. You know what I did for the first time recently? I missed it. I missed it when I land. My girl's from Queens. Okay.

She took me to the Coliseum for the first time. I had never done a proper Queens shopping Coliseum experience. You know, that's when Nas shot the person in the belly. Oh, it was at the Coliseum? Yeah, that was outside the Coliseum. Yo, can you tell me, though, I know you're doing the interview, but was at the Coliseum? Yeah, that was outside the Coliseum. Yo, can you tell me, though, I know you're doing the interview, but

what was the Coliseum like? Like, a nice Saturday afternoon back in the day? You would have had to have a rope chain walk through there. Oh, yeah. I'm assuming your girl is white. I'm just asking.

She is. Okay, yeah. So y'all two coming through back in the days, you would have had to have some gold fronts in your shirt. You would have had that Gucci jacket.

Well, my girl probably. If she wasn't white, what would be the difference if she was top? No, I'm just saying. You just have to be affiliated to somebody. Somebody has to know somebody to make somebody. You have to be affiliated to get a beef patty. You know what I mean? That type of shit.

Oh, by the way, there's the beef patty spot right on the corner. Did you go to the beef patty spot? Oh, you saw it? Oh, this is the spot where everyone goes. She was like, no, this spot's the shit. This spot is the shit. They got barbecue beef patty. They got jerk beef patty.

You would think I work for them. Let me tell you, Queens people are something else, though, yo. Yeah. I'm in the shit. They got barbecue beef patty. They got jerk beef patty. You wouldn't think I work for them. Oh, they got, they got. Yo, let me tell you, Queens people are something else, though, yo. Yeah. Yo, the way. I'm in the best barrel. I don't know if you know. Yo, I joke, I joke all the time

with Syphon Wannap that I say dating my girl. I was like, my girl's basically like spending time with Big Noid. That's how Queens my girl is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how, like, when I think of Queens,

I picture Big Noid being like, what's up, cousin? But my girl's loud. Queens people are just a different animal. Honestly, if you're really of Queens, I picture big noise being like, what's up, cousin? But my girl's loud. Queens people are just a different enemy. Honestly, if you're really from Queens, this is why Donald Trump is lying on his birth certificate. He's always been blaming Barack Obama for lying on his birth certificate. He's been lying. He's been saying he's from Queens.

There's no way you can be from Queens and be racist. Where do you think he's from? I think he's from Brooklyn. You can be racist if you's from Brooklyn, man. He's from Brooklyn? They got Park Slope and shit like that. By the way, if you're not a New Yorker, you don't appreciate how underrated great that line is.

That Donald Trump was lying as Pacifican because he's not from Brooklyn. He's from Brooklyn. Vincent Hearst. What do they got? Vincent Hearst. They got a couple of people there. Unfortunately, there are racists in every borough in New York.

As diverse as it is. I'm just playing. But no, no. But to your point, like, and, you know, my girl, when she, when her family moved to Brooklyn when she was in high school and she stayed, she commuted to stay at high school in Queens because of that. Like, because Queens is just like, she was like, the people here are just who I want to be around.

Right. It's a different atmosphere. Right. That is, I want to be around. It's a different atmosphere. I do think Queens is the most diverse. It's the most diverse place in America, it feels like. I always say this on this show and I say this, I grew up with an Indian, I grew up with a Haitian, I grew up with a Russian.

I knew every food. That's why as an adult don't be mad at me when you be like, yo, this is this type of food. I'm like, I don't fuck with it. Because you tried it already. You had it. Bronson wrote about that in his new book. I'm reading Action Bronson's new book. Oh me when he's like, yo, this is this type of food. I'm like, I don't fuck with it. Because you tried it already. Because you had it. And Bronson wrote about that in his new book. I'm reading, actually, Bronson's new book.

Oh, yeah, he's definitely from Queens. And he's like, yo, and he's Albanian. He's like, yo, in my neighborhood, literally every day my crew of people was Albanian, Dominican, Colombian. It's every single kind of person

is there. It's just, yo, and that's why, honestly, when we talk about hip-hop, the Queens hip-hop conversation, you know, we always talk Nas and Nicki. We mention, like, the obvious people, but the real history of Queens and how deep it goes, Lost Boys, Mike Jarnovo, Royal Flush, Run DMC, LL Cool J. Akanele. Akanele.

Soul Sisters. Pronex. Soul Sisters. Tribe. It's. T7. What's some shit? Yo, the fucking. Freestyle. Oh, I know who you're talkingx. Soul Sisters. Tribe. It's. T7. What's some shit? I'm going to get this.

Yo, the fucking. Freestyle. Oh, I know who you're talking about. K7. K7. Yeah, yeah. Was it T7? I wasn't going to mention K7.

That's a gang. TA7 from Also My Hood. Also Queen. Yeah, yeah. Also Queen. Extra P. Lars Bro. Let's go.

Like, it's just. Queens is. Everyone will default and say Brooklyn or Bronx first. But honestly, I think you can make the argument That Queens is the Best borough in hip hop I believe so I'll make some noise for that god damn it God damn it To me it's Queens and Brooklyn

And you know And the Bronx is obviously the birthplace so they have their own Thing already Yeah we can't compete with them They're the birthplace We don't want that part But we kept it going that's why it was easy for mc shan to tell that story because people told him this is what happened in the park and by the way do you want to know

something that speaking of queens that i've always felt that i think is a controversial hip-hop opinion i always thought that the best record in the in the battle between kerasS and Shan? And Shan. And I am a, obviously I think KRS is a god. I always thought the bridge was the best record in the whole thing. Out of all of them? Yes. Like record.

I don't mean like got the hardest diss in. I mean that when that shit comes on and you hear what Marley did at the beginning of the record, when those drums first clap at the beginning, to me that was always it. Youapped at the beginning, to me,

that was always it. You know what? I like it more than the beat for The Bridge Is Over. Here's the deal. South Bronx came out first, right? Then The Brick A Bridge, right? Then The Bridge Is Over. The problem is, when you compare it, it's almost like when you compare Takeover,

you always have to say Takeover and Super Ugly. And then it's just crazy that Super C's Takeover, you always have to say Takeover and Super Ugly. And then it's just crazy that Ether supersedes Takeover and Super Ugly. Right. Although, you know, I'm notoriously a Takeover guy over Ether. Yeah, but you're wrong. I know. By the way, everyone says that. So now that makes sense why you're saying what you're saying now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just never could fuck with the beat to Ether. You always said it's half beat, half rhymes yeah. But I just never could fuck with the beat to Ether. I'm too much. You always said it's half beat, half rhymes. Right, right. I never fucked with, and I told Ron Brous to his face,

I respect you as a man and as a producer. I never fucked with Ether like that. Ron Brous should have stepped on your big toe and just thrown it out there. Just on your big toe.

Not leave your whole other feet like a girl. Right, but the big toe. But just the big toe, bang, he just said that. I get it. You know what, I take the L that I'm probably

wrong on the takeover thing. I get it. Because you picked Jay or Nas just now. But by the way, so opening that up a little bit. Let's open that back up. Let's open it back up. Let's open that back up. Jay and Nas both occupy a space that is so important.

They're both such gods in different ways. Did you hear the new song, I'm Sorry, Not Sorry? I did hear this song. Okay, continue your message, and we'll get back to that. I just watched Belly the other day, though, the day of X's memorial. I wanted to watch it. I don't know where you're going with this. No, just seeing Nas walk on the screen,

I was just like, yo, he's such a fucking icon. Oh, okay. And the other day, he's in a new movie on Netflix right now. I know. It's something, Monster, they're saying slime in there.

Monster, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, they did. They're saying slime in there. They said I gotta send my lawyers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, yeah, go ahead. And Rocky's in it, too. Okay, yeah. Westworld is in it. Yeah, and, yeah. All right, yeah, go ahead. And Rocky's in it, too. And the homie from

Westworld is in it. Yeah, and when... Well, it's Nas that's gonna produce it, so I don't know how to do this, so I'm gonna just leave it alone.

Yeah, leave it alone. Yeah, I'm gonna just leave it alone, because I love the big homie. Me and the big homie be like this right now. So when I watch, when Nas comes on the screen...

He's in jail. He's in jail, and I'm just like, man, like, Nas, he just... I just want to take like a moment to appreciate how iconic he is. And listen, I've been like, Nas, he just, I just want to take, like, a moment to appreciate how iconic he is.

And listen, I've been hard on Nas before. Like, I hated Uchiwale. Stop being hard on Nas, okay? But no, no, I love Nas. Love that. And we have a great relationship with Nas. You didn't get to double entendre right now. Was it like, that was a pause you were setting up?

Yeah. Thank you very much. But no, him and Hov occupy different spaces. But, like, they're both so unbelievably iconic. But who has the better bodies of work? That's what I always get into, is who has the albums. And they probably have almost the same amount of classic albums, honestly. I'm a blueprint.

I'm a reasonable doubt blueprint. Then black albums, slightly down from those two kind of guy. And you are an Illmatic? I'm are a illmatic i'm an illmatic i'm an illmatic through and through i love it was written it was written um i think people i think there are other ones in there that people have slept on a little bit i think godson has incredible joints on hip hop is dead you know hip stillmatic the stillmatic intro is crazy you know the second childhood like there's you know but i think here's the thing about Nas, though. I don't think Nas, I think his interest in beats is weird.

It's not what I would expect sometimes, what he chooses. And then Hov, I think, has great beat selection, but I think he intentionally chooses some weird shit sometimes because he wants to just kind of shine. Right. You know, like, I don't think either of them are, no one's flawless, bro. some weird shit sometimes because he wants to just kind of shine. You know, like, I don't think either of them are, no one's flawless, bro. The thing is this, we were grading on a scale that didn't make sense because we had never seen

artists age before. So when someone has three albums, you're like, oh, the fourth one's not great. You forget about the fact that they might have 15 albums. Yo, Paul Simon is one of my all-time favorite artists, right? Paul Simon's 75 years old. What song he sing?

Give me a song he sing. You Can Call Me Al. You Can Call Me Al? You Can Call Me Al. I don't know this name. Just call him Al. Yo, dude. The Sound of Silence?

The Sound of Silence? You gotta sing it. If you heard it, you'd know it. How about Mrs. Robinson? God bless you, please, Mrs. Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you could know.

Never heard of her, bro? I think so. Let's roll with it. Yo, the fact that you just said, I don't know that N-word about Paul Simon is the illest shit of the whole podcast. But you know how I do know Bob Sinclair. Well, hold on.

He's the shit. Bob Sinclair's the shit. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I went too far. All right, listen. My point was this, though. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I went too far. All right, listen. My point was this, though. Continue your point.

With Paul Simon or Bruce Springsteen or these guys who have been around 40 years. I know the boss. I know the boss. They have bricks in there. Yeah. They have bricks. But at the time, in the 90s and early 2000s when I was grading albums, I had never seen a rap artist who lasted 30 years. So if they drop one album, we go, they fell off.

They didn't fall off. They made one whack joint as part of an entire career in which they'll make more classics down the line. So we always think it's the end. Yo, guys, we could have 10 more Kanye albums left. We could have seven more Nas albums left, eight more J-Ups. These are young men, relatively. You don't know how. So we were always holding this whole, it's a young man's game.

That was only because rap artists hadn't lived long enough for it to become a generational game. And we stupidly cut off our own old school artists and made them feel like they weren't cool anymore when they'd show up at the club and they were 45 and say, oh, these guys are old.

He needs another shot. Look at him. Go, go, go. We should have always been treating them like you never know what they're about to drop next. You're supposed to tell somebody, do 10 push-ups, like in old school. Like in old school. Yo, I do 10 push-ups.

By the way, he already did. This is the par father. Yo, my boy, bro. You don't remember old school? Of course I do. All right. But like,

no, we just need to, we don't realize where the game's going and who's going to drop a classic album. But those two artists specifically set the bar

so high for themselves. Who, No, no, no, Nas and Jake. With their first album. I love you,

bro. I love you. I love you. They set that bar so high for themselves that that's why everything felt like a disappointment after that.

Yeah, and it's not. The truth is, like, the last Hov album, 444, was fire. Fire, fire. I think Story of O.J. is one of the greatest Hov songs of all time. Here's the goal when you get older in music. Rap your age. No. Here's what I was going to say.

Okay, sure. But relevant to what you're experiencing. No, no, yeah, but don't fake it. I agree. It's whack. But what I was going to say. Okay, sure. Relevant to what your experience is. No, no, don't fake it. I agree. It's whack. But what I was going to say was, when you drop an album, if you could drop a classic, that's great.

But what you really hope to do, you're going to be touring for the rest of your life. You're adding one or two songs to your playlist at your shows. That's it. When you go see Billy Joel, I've seen Billy Joel at the Guard. Remember, he was doing a residency. Billy Joel did a residency at Madison Square Garden you go see Billy Joel. I've seen Billy Joel at the Garden. Remember, he was doing a resident.

Billy Joel did a residency at Madison Square Garden. What did Billy Joel sing? Oh, Jesus Christ almighty. He did a residency? How about Piano Man? No, bro. How about Uptown Girl? He has to hear the song.

We didn't start the fire. He guaranteed those hits. So it doesn't matter. He's got a bajillion hits, right? His catalog's worth a gazillion dollars. You say bajillion? Bajillion. worth A gazillion dollars Did you say bajillion Bajillion I'm taking that

That's yours So when Billy Joel When you go to his concert 90% of the songs He put out Between the late 70s And 1985 Right

After that There's one song Off each album That was a hit That he does at the concert That's it No one was listening To the late albums

all the way through they took the hot joint you add it to your set you keep it moving and then later in your life the goal is you're 72 years old and you get nominated and you win that best album grammy you know like we'll see like a bob dylan nominated at 71 years old because he finally hit another classic joint. But you don't have to have or Tony Bennett. You don't have to have a classic. I know who Tony Bennett is. Every Apple?

Yeah. You just need to make good music. He's still finger popping somewhere. Tony Bennett. Wow. Tony Bennett. He's still finger popping. You think that?

I feel like Tony Bennett fingers up. You don't have a Tony Bennett. And we're coming for this. Let's talk about the finger pop. Five-border finger pop.'s clap for the finger pop. Clap for the finger pop. That's a little finger pop. You also started the beef between Saigon and Mardi. Oh, yeah.

No, no, no, no, no. That was the end of the beef. That was the problem. I didn't know. Listen, I was there. That's all I saw. It was your show. Wait, you were there?

Were you at the show? I was supposed to perform the war report for the first time ever in our whole career. Oh, my God. You were on the show. We were on the show. That's how I booked it. It was like you agreed to do the war report for the whole thing. For the first time ever in our oh my god you were on the show that's how i booked it it was like you agreed to do the war report for the whole thing for the first time ever we've never done a war report before that and we never did the war report since so you came to me i didn't want to do it you convinced me like yo let's do it we'll have

mob deep do the whole infamous i said oh okay um oh yeah it was mob was gonna do the infamous you were gonna do the work we had and us and the, okay. Oh, yeah, it was the mob was going to do the infamous, you were going to do the warfare. And us and the mob had really just been on the same great level. Yo, what a fucking disaster I was. Who didn't pull me aside and say,

bro, do you know all the people you're dealing with right now? Do you know what problem? What a mess. So here's the thing I'll say, because I saw Saigon on your podcast

and I've talked to Saigon recently. What? He challenged you at Ebro to a fight, right? Go get to that later. By the way, I like to answer Saigon on your podcast and I've talked to Saigon recently. He challenged you at Ebro to a fight, right? Yeah, he wanted to fist me. We'll get to that later. By the way, I like to answer Saigon. No, not fighting you.

Know how that would turn out. And it's not a dub for me. So let me just say this. And by dub, I mean W. I would lose. Shout out Saigon. Saigon's version of the story is not how I recall it. I was brand new.

I did not know who had issues with who at that very moment. And I know that sounds crazy because people didn't know Saigon and Prodigy had shit. But at that time, I didn't know that. I was like, Saigon, you want to perform at the show? He said, sure. I'm playing his Come On Baby record every week. I'm the guy playing it. I'm fucking into it.

I love Mobb Deep, as you know. I love you guys. Prior to Hope jumping on it? Prior. Probably. Maybe he's just jumping on it. I'm fucking into it. I love Mobb Deep, as you know. I love you guys. You surprised a whole jump, jumping on it? Prior, probably, maybe he's just jumping on it right at that moment. Okay. And so the one part that I was- So you're saying, I'm sorry to cut you off. You're saying that Jay-Z might have jumped on it, that record, because of the actual incident.

Because remember, him and P had a little problem. Wow. No, that is a- I'm trying to make it a double entendre. Should you roll with it? I think you should think about it. And another B. And another B.

That was a reach. That wasn't another B? That wasn't another B. That wasn't another B. I'm sorry. Okay, I get it. So I didn't beg Saigon to perform. I know I asked him to.

I definitely said, I would love for you to perform your song. He claims in the story that he tells, and I don't fault him for this. I think it's simply the stories we tell ourselves as time goes on. He's like, Rosenberg begged me to do

it. Bro, I was such a little bitch made fresh out of Chevy Chase, Maryland. I wasn't pressuring anyone to do shit. You know me at that time. Wait a minute, you said Chevy Chase? I'm from Chevy Chase, Maryland. I need to visit this. Chevy Chase has his Maryland? Chevy Chase? He has a Maryland? Is this the actor?

Is this like Dave Chappelle? Like Dave Chappelle got his own... Chappelle's from the same area too, but no, Chevy Chase is not... I think he took his name after the place. He saw on the map and was like, oh, that's a funny name. Have you heard of Silver Spring, Maryland? You've heard of Silver Spring? I know. It's Silver Spring. Ain't that where

Dave Chappelle live now? No, not now. He lives in Ohio, But he used to be Silver Spring, Ohio Anyway Chevy Chase Is where I'm from The point is I wasn't built for any of this shit I need to go to Chevy Chase

By the way Where's Chevy Chase though? I wanna go You should come to a Seder At my parents house A Passover Seder I wanna take mashed mushrooms And just hang out

It's not like At the Passover White people aren't just Doing mushrooms willy nilly All the time. It's not a Passover. It's not the way it works. I mean, I'd be down to try it.

But I don't remember that, I don't remember at that time me pressuring him would be crazy. I never would have been like, yo, you about to go on that stage, Saigon. No, but didn't you say he said begging? Begging and pressuring are two different things. Good point.

I would have let it go. I wouldn't have been like, please go on either. You would have been like, oh, you don't want to do it? Okay, cool, I get it. Whatever it is, it happened. I understand.

And I told this to Saigon the other day. I said, I get it, bro. So he spoke after he was on here. After he was on here and then after that he went on social and talked about fucking us up.

He went to celebrity boxing match. Yeah, and he definitely He was going to fight both of celebrity boxing match. Yeah, and he definitely tagged MTV. He was ready to box. No, he was. Listen, I was a little bummed out by things that he said because we've been cool for years after that. What did he say? What was bummed out that he said, sir? It was like, these guys don't care about the culture.

Just some shit about me that's not true. And that he knows is fundamentally not true. Saigon and I made a record together. He put it on his album. By the way, didn't clear it with me. I've never said one word. He took a record we made. It is currently streaming on his album from years ago.

I never said shit. Take the fucking record. I'm glad we made it. Lil Fame's on it. It's fire. Shout out to Odyssey who produced it. It's a great record. I fuck with Saigon. I think it's unfortunate

the way shit played out. You didn't even produce it. How's it your record? We put it together. I created a studio session. I introduced Odyssey to these artists and we did it one day. Composer. I did it. It's still producing. I like that. Composer or did it again? This is what we're going to do.

The bottom line is it's unfortunate and i think saigon is an incredible talent i said to him the other day he was saying that like yo this one event was a really bad event and you know some shit didn't work out my career i said bro we listen you got some bad breaks no doubt about it you also got some great fucking breaks you got jay-z on your first single bro and and listen i get it the song didn't work out. He was also the guy on Entourage. Like, good shit happened for Saigon, too.

And by the way... And he was Saigon on Entourage. That's all the fucking point. No, listen. The point is, he's a good dude. We all have shit.

He's a great dude. We all have... And he's a passionate, real dude and a real artist. I fucking love Saigon. I've known him... Again, it's one of those things. We had beef very early.

Even before that, we had beef. We had shit before that. We made up. I know we talk shit now. I love Saigon. Shit happens. It's unfortunate, but I'll just tell you this. I was a new jack. I didn't know what I was doing. I'll take the L for even putting the show together, though, because I didn't know. Oh, shit. Saigon, you're a father.

Tell them the last words I said. It was all positive. It was just a motherfucker. I go to your father. Yo, tell him the last words I said. No, it was all positive. It was all positive energy. It was all positive energy. I can't lie. Peter Rosenberg said great shit about you. It was positive energy. So, it's the positive part of the thing.

All right, hold on. Y'all say what's up, man. We squashed beef on Drink Champs. What up? Yo, I literally just said that I loved you two minutes ago. Yo, I was just telling them that we have a history that goes back before that event.

Yo, he's got... Big fact. Big fact, bro. You know it's all love, man. Yeah. Yo, Peter, man, check this out. Me and you Gucci, man. That whole shit, you know what I'm saying? The reason why it still comes up is because when I do press and people,

a big question is what happened? You had all this energy, it just went away. I got to be honest and be real about what really took place. I'll be telling niggas, that's equivalent to a nigga having a fucking Drake feature today. It changes your life. Yeah, no, I get it. It changed my life in so many ways. No, I get it.

When you told me that, when you DM me that, it made me understand why it comes up again. And obviously, listen, our memories are going to be different of shit. Our memories are different of shit, but that is what it is. You know it's love, bro. But how was your, oh, you mean from that night? Yeah, of course. We're two human beings with two versions of our own life. I told you.

I told you. I'm not supposed to even be in this motherfucker, man. I was dumb, bro. I only went there to see Nori. I went there... He blames me, yeah. No, Saigon, you're right. It's Nori's fault 100%.

I went to that. You know what I'm saying? But also, real shit, Peter, we had a relationship prior to that. I've been to your crib, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? I've been to your crib. You know what I'm saying?

I know your brother. You introduced me to your brother, and it was always love. So really, I want to slap Ebro still. Listen, I'll try to... Jesus. All right, I'll try to... It's positive, and I know it's your brother. It's positive.

I know it's your brother. And I know y'all close and shit, but he was my man, too. He didn't have to do me like that, bro. He didn't have to do me like... Nobody was bleeding. There was no scuffle. They still performed.

It was not even that big of a deal. Hey, listen. Let's set up a convo. Let's set up a convo and talk it out and move onward and upward. Please, please. I would love that.

Done. I will do it. I will set it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Peace and love. Peace and love, man. Nori is now the king. By the way, you jacked that from me. What's that? That's a Rosenberg move. The mid-podcast blind calling people

and holding the shit up to my phone. How do you think we did interviews back in the day? I said, by the way, I don't want no violence. And I'm going to say something because I got two more questions after this. Okay, cool. I actually don't have the stories. Y'all made fun of me the day that y'all

interviewed the Saigon thing. It's like, yo, Nori can't say what a lot of these other artists say. I never had B for Ebro. Yeah, Ebro said that. Ebro was like, Nori and I definitely never had any problems, ever. You were good. You would have been Gucci at Hot 97. Even after all the shit that went down

that everyone knows about, you still there was never an issue. So I gotta stand up for Ebro because you know, sometimes people think that yo, you know, when you was banned and they took you over, how did they say? Well, they blame Evo for that. And I got to be a man and tell you that he had nothing.

He was not even in power. He was not even in that. But afterwards, he came. We spoke. I had the first, like, I had his first night in New York. We hung out. Had a great time. You know what I mean?

So I've never actually said that publicly. He said it a couple of times. But I want people to know that. So, you know, Evo is super solid with me. The morning show, you, Laura, Styles, Peter, all of you guys. And super supportive of Dream Champion. Super supportive, man. So I just want to make some noise.

Because a lot of people think, a lot of people think, a lot of people think. All right, so moving on. DMX just got a day. What do you feel about that? Then I got one more question after that and that's it. Wait, then he just got a day? Yeah, a day, like a day dedicated to him.

DMX on his birthday. Yeah, it's awesome. It's the whole state of New York, correct? It's New York, yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, he is uh x is so special man efn and i were talking before going on the air about his last appearance on your show right it's just i can't believe that he's gone man it's a really i've only got to be in

his presence actually a few times wow i know not very much um because what did you hope hosting the um rock the bells rock the bells that's how That was the only time I got to be around him. Wow. And that interview's on YouTube, and he was great. I mean, it was one of those things with X where, like, you could tell he's, you know, not sober during the conversation. Did Rough Riders come to you and be mad at you? No, no, no. He was still great, though.

Like, it's a weird thing. You know, one thing I love about the X story, as sad as it all is, is that it's a very open story. He's honest. Very honest, yeah. You know, Swizz is honest. We all know that X had a hard life and had demons to deal with. So instead of talking around it, we're able to talk about a real man who was vulnerable in that way. Yet he managed to struggle with these demons and yet be a good dude through it all.

Like, I have not heard the story yet of X treated someone like shit. Like, when you met him, he was everything you thought he would be in a good way. Now, listen, you book him for a show, he might show up two hours later. Right, right. Maybe four.

Maybe four. He might not show up. He might be drink chance four. Right, right. But by the way be that's still part of what you would expect of x right you know what i mean like he was um he was an enigma he was he was amazing man like i i he's that he's that is when i have the that moment where i need to play something and make myself feel like i'm kind of bigger than i am i play that what's my name

shit by you know that shit the The one that has the intro. He got the burgundy leather thing on and it's black. Tyson came out to it a couple times. That was, you know, so rest in peace, X-Men. I wish I got to know him better. God damn it. All right, now this is the last question. Yo, I can't believe you're going to, I'm going to get out on time and make my flight too.

All right, let's do it. But you got to take another shot. Once I'm done, I'll take believe you're going to... I'm going to get out on time and make my flight, too. All right, let's do it. But you got to take another shot. Once I'm done, I'll take another shot. For your flight. No, no, no. Three is my lucky number, so you got to do it on camera. Three is my lucky number. Okay.

All right. But the question first. Start just leaving, then get the question in my head first. The question was, I've grown close to you. Because I kind of don't remember. I think it was a slight problem. I don't think it was a beef like how you thought it was. No, no, no of don't remember. I think it was a slight problem. I don't think it was a problem, a beef like how you thought it was. No, no, no. I'm sure. All right. But me and you

got along. And there was one thing that happened. Oh. Glad I didn't drink yet. Go ahead. And it was a Chuck D incident. Oh. Wait, wait, wait, wait. A Chuck D incident? Yeah. So I would like you to recollect as much as you recall this incident.

Okay. I'm glad. I want to do this with you. I'm glad. Yes, please. So Summer Jam one year. It was like 13, 14, something like that. Some fuckery happened at the end.

I think it was maybe the 50 Slow Bucks thing. It was some shit. It was one of the fuckery Summer Jam moments. I don't remember which one. there have been several fuckery moments and afterwards chuck d made a statement of some sort i don't remember where anymore about hot 97 and us being shitty and irresponsible and whatever the shit was and was he wrong in that moment he wasn't wrong to be upset about a moment that occurred right but his overall in my opinion his overall way of describing hot 97 while i understand why people do it i wish they really knew like we are not like you just

said about ebro ebro is the most misrepresentedrepresented guy. He does it to himself to some degree. Because he's not a sucker. He's not a sucker. And he knows that because he's not from New York and he's not a sucker, he has to play a certain part. By the way, Ebro's a big motherfucker. So he also, people might get extra salty because when they'd want to test him, they see him and they're like, all right, I'll let this one live. So he puts off a big energy that I think a lot of people misread him on. He's a fucking quality, solid dude.

And the station, the way we operate in general, like we are, yo, you think of like, you're a New Yorker, Lisa Evers. We are a solid community radio station that cares about the community. Fuck with Lisa Evers, by the way. Yeah, of course. And we still do a community affairs show. Places don't

do community affairs shows. They let me have my real late show. We do quality shit on Hot. We are a deep part of the community. More so, we are not a huge company. Everyone thinks we were the bad corporate giant. No, we were always the smaller station. We were just the heritage station. So when Chuck made his statement,

again, I don't remember exactly what it was. It came from a place of judging a moment where he was right to be disgusted with the moment. But I thought the view of the station was unfair. And you asked earlier, you said, loyalty or respect? And I said, loyalty, no hesitation.

So I love Chuck D. I grew up listening to Public Enemy. Night of the Living Basshead's video was part of me becoming in love with hip hop. Fight the Power and Shut Them Down remix, I would say, are two of my top ten favorite rap songs ever made. I respect Chuck D. But in that moment, I felt this need to be defensive of the place that has changed my life. And I rode hard.

And in retrospect, I went too hard. I really did. And of all the moments I've've had that is the one I'm regretful for because I when I look back at it it just reaped of privilege it was showing it was showing even if I didn't agree with him Chuck D is so revered that I should have handled that like a son and been like hey that's Chuck's opinion he has every right to that opinion and kept it moving. And instead, I had the battery in my back to be like, you know, I was probably still off the Nicki Minaj

thing thinking, let me talk some shit. I'm incredibly regretful for it. And the nice part of the story is... I had a lot of people call me and tell me different things in the weeks after the Chuck D. I actually remember you calling him. I remember this now.

So, yeah. Tell the story. I remember this. So a lot of people called me and said different things to me. But Norrie called, and he called with zero judgment. He just said, I'm not calling to tell you about what you said. I'm calling to tell you that I was out and I heard people saying things about you negatively that were not the kind of people that I want to hear saying things about you negatively. These are not the people you want

to be angry. I think you should apologize. And if you recall, Nori, as God is my witness, I said, sounds good. Done. And the next day, I said, I got to do something on the air today. And I went on the air and I said, I apologize. I did not think about how this would affect people and how it would affect Chuck. And honestly, it was a mistake. Like, truth be told, whether people wanted to fuck me up about it or not, it just wasn't the right thing to do. And sometimes you get lost in a moment and you want to defend

the place that you work. And I should have put hip-hop ahead of the station there and said, listen, that's Chuck D. He's in rarefied air. If I disagree, just disagree and shut the fuck up. And I didn't do that in that moment. So I would say that was one spot where I fucked up and also where I was very

grateful to you for having that eye to the street. No, because we were friends at the time and there's one more question after this because we got to go.

It brought me to another situation that we have to fix. But this was this one moment where, you know, when you're my friend, you're my friend.

I don't care. Right? You go down the block. We go on Dunkin' Donuts and they say, this is a shit donut. And you want to eat the shit donut? I'm going to say, don't eat the shit donut. Right. After you eat the shit donut, I'm going to be the guy to look around and say, don't make fun of him eating the shit donut.

Right? It's a real friend. It's a fucking foul friend, but I'm a loyal friend. Right. And when I saw that, because I knew that's not what was your intention, you was, God bless me for saying this, it was like what they say in the work world, a company man. He was being a company man. I was.

Which was like, it's like, all right, cool. Like, you know, most of us, you know, who works for a bus company and a tire comes off and they say, well, the bus company is a piece of shit. You say, no. Well, I picked 99 tires and 99 tires work. This is just one. So you can't take this one thing out

on a bus company. But what you don't know is there's people in Hialeah, there's people in Little Haiti, there's people in Overtown, there's people in Left Right, there's people in Corona who bus company is fucked up.

You understand? Yo, by the way, a lot of people may not understand what you're saying, but it's actually exactly right. That's exactly right. No, no, no. My listeners understand. They understand. They speak.

Maybe these guys don't. Right, but they speak. No, no, no. They speak in Nori. They speak in Nori. Yeah, yeah. So I wanted you to do that, and I was so thankful that you did. I really was.

No, I was thankful to you, bro. I was thankful because, you know, you said it earlier sometimes. Sometimes we speak from a place of privilege and we don't know. Because what the fuck? Does privilege come with an alert sign? Yo, that's the best. People don't understand. You don't know that you're speaking from privilege.

Like, you ever go to Red Lobster and it's your turn for the table to give you a thing and go, beep, beep, beep? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what privilege should come with. You don't know. to give you a thing and go, beep, beep, beep. You know what I'm saying? That's what privilege should come with. You don't know and then you look back and you're like, wow, that was really arrogant. But now you have me nervous. What's the thing that you want to fix? I got to call my car and it sounds like you're about to get into some deep shit. It's a little deep. By the way, I'm not an asshole. I have to go to WWE tonight.

Make some noise. There's a rumor going around. Or was going around. Hey, listen. I'm looking for it. There's a rumor going around, or was going around. And listen, I'm not speaking about you because I have nothing else to do. I'm speaking about you because this man is here, and I want to correct the rumor. There's a man? Yeah, here? No, you.

Oh. There's a rumor going around that you actually searched for me to go at Tax Stone. Okay, I can handle this one. I thought it could be something else. Like he emptied? No, no. It was just misrepresented. And by the way, you're probably to blame for this. Okay. Because how would Tax have gotten the information

unless you said something? Okay. The whole story in one second is, I don't even remember where me and Tax got issues from. I know he said wild shit about me. He mentioned my ex-wife. Like, he did some wild shit. I don't know nothing about that.

No, no, I know, I know. There was some wild shit that happened. I was worried. As I said earlier, I am from Chevy Chase, Maryland. I am not built for this. So I'm very clear. It took me a couple years to learn how to do what you're built for and what you're not built for. But now I know.

And unlike a lot of people, I move around with zero security. I live very comfortably because I learned what the boundaries are and how you can just do what you do and not offend anyone. In this specific case, tax was coming at me. I did not know much about him. What I heard was that he was, you know, a street dude, knows the streets, whatever, all the shit you just had to hear. I reached out to Nori and said, what do you know about this dude? The way the

story's been retold was that I was like, yo, Nori, I'm putting the hit on. It's fucking crazy, Tal. That's not what happened. Thank you. Listen, I'm glad you said it. I just hit you up and was like, I don't know what to do. I'm a little nervous here. So what happened was you asked me.

I met him like two days later. And it was the CBS building or something like that. And I said to him, I said. Well, no, you did the interview with him before that. No. All right. So then it was actually the interview. Because I said, oh, how we met.

And I didn't know how he looked, obviously. So I gave him a second hand. He's like, yo, I'm Tax Stone. I said, oh, Peter asked me about you. And then it was like a joke. He was like, oh, Peter got no room to try to get at me. So when he said that, I laughed.

But it wasn't serious to run with it. He didn't call me to say, yo, go get this guy. Like, or, you know. I'm grateful for you telling that because the way he told it was that I was like, yo, Nori, send the shooters. It was like, I was fucking shook. And God bless this guy. I don't know who this guy is.

Let's be very careful. Let's be very careful. Let's be very careful. God bless Tax because I will never, ever, ever go at anybody that is in a can. No, hell no. I don't do this situation. I have all due respect. I have all respect for you. It's just, it was funny at the time, so I didn't correct it when he was home. Right.

I'm just correcting it now because the rumor keeps continuing. No, no. As if you called me. You did ask about him. Let's just be clear. I did. And by the way, Tax and I had a cool conversation after that. Tax was actually, I got to give Tax credit because.

We always give Tax credit over here. So Tax and I had our shit. You don't hear when we give him credit. No, of course. By the way, no one's going to hear this. I'm going to say the nicest thing I've ever said. No one's going to hear it. But after the whole shit that we had, when I was super upset about what he said about my ex-wife, he called me.

And he apologized. He was cool. He was like, yo, that shit's out of bounds. And again, his shit was more with Ebro. I got more dragged into it, whatever. And he was very respectful and cool. And I think I was back as well. And we were cool.

So when the shit came up a while ago, I was like, that story's not accurate. But I was just curious. I didn't know who he was. And I just hit you up to be like, yo, you were the guy who I knew who could tell me what was going on. You hit me up. And when I met him, I said, oh, shit, Peter just asked about you. And he made a joke. He was like, oh, shit.

Because of, I don't know, I guess my reputation or whatever. He was like, oh, shit, he called you to get me. Again, your fault. What it all comes down to is always Nori's fault oh shit Saigon is my fault I don't know

no but I just wanted to get that straight you know I'm glad we did I'm glad we did big up to Saigon big up to Tax

big up to everybody else who we talked about who else have we talked about no let's not mention anymore big ups to all of them big up to Starships because I like Starships. Big ups to Starships. Big ups to that Real Late album,

6-4, June 4th. Where can people find it? Everywhere streaming, June 4th, Ghostface, Styles P, Jim Jones, Crime Apple, Flea Lord, Rock Marcy, Wu-Tang. It's a lot. God damn it. Make some noise for Peter Rosenberg. Thank you, guys. By the way, make some noise

as the original hip-hop podcast host. That's the last question. That is the last question. No, no, no. I'm going to end it. I'm going to end it. I'm going to end it. End it with some talking, some talk.

And I'm going to end it with a shot with you. That's the only way you can do it. As the original. You're the cool hip-hop podcast. Facts. As the original hip-hop podcaster of all time Along with Sypha Sounds, Juan Ep By the way, still stream Juan Ep is life everywhere I just want to say in this moment

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