Drink Champs - Episode 268 w/ Miss Jones

Episode Date: July 2, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with the one and only Miss Jones! One of radio’s most controversial personalities Miss Jones is most notably known for hosting Hot 97’s Morning Radio, and has interviewed hip-hop’s iconic figures. In this episode, she shares stories of her career and the monumental moments she’s been through.Stories of the historic feud between Nas & JAY Z, working with the legendary Ron G, the passing of Aaliyah, 9/11, “Tsunami Song”, Wendy Williams and the morning show battle between her and Star (of Star and Buc Wild). Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss! In this episode. we are also joined by DJ G MoneyMake some noise!!! 🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What it good be? Hope this is what it should be. It's your boy, N-A-O-N-A-A. What up, it's DJ E-F-N. And this is Drink Champ, motherfucking yappy. I'm a make some noise! And right now, when we started the show, EFN, we said we wanted, you know, there's radio stations and there's other podcasts for, you know,

up and coming and new people, but we wanted to interview legends. We wanted to interview seasoned people. We wanted to interview people who have this luxurious long list of stories and just of being a part of the game. This is not only a hero, but a hometown hero. She has dominated music, then went on and dominated radio, which was a very hard field, not only for a black woman, but for a woman, period, at that time. Then, you know,

now she's got a podcast, too, and everything. I think she's on an episode. I forget what episode, but I'm checking it out. She got E-Rolled Down with them. I did not notice, but in case you don't know

who we're talking about, we're talking about the motherfucking illustrious Miss Motherfucking Jones! So, so I... I was wondering who you was talking about. No, no, no, no. So, you know, because what's been going on?

What's been going on with you lately? So, first off, I brought gifts. Okay, wow, okay. So look, this is... It's like, it's going to fuck me up juice. That's what it looks like. It is. Okay.

It's Ingenious gonna fuck me up juice Okay Ingenious gin. Okay in genius. Yes. Oh not now Snoop got in the glow. This is not in the glow. No, no This is something different out the glow. Okay And it's infused with lavender Thank you, well think so let's just take it right from the beginning, right? Because at first it was artists. It was about being an artist, right? So how...

And listen, for people that don't know, Astoria Projects is one of the craziest places in the world. Not just Queens. In the world. So take us from there there coming from Astoria so I was you know always singing in the house always trying to do talent shows and things like that and um and eventually I wound up going to high school for it taking it seriously and then I went to Syracuse University for it it became because you went to art schools like to the high school yeah I went to the fame school music oh really yeah. I went to the FAME School, Music and Art. Oh, really? Oh, done. Yeah.

Amazing experience. Right. But all they taught you was really classical singing, and I always wanted to be R&B. Right. So when I graduated, I met Ron G. Wow. Yeah. Legendary. Legendary.

Yeah. And so I started singing on his mixtapes. And at that time. I started hearing you on that. Yeah, it was new. Nobody was doing it. It was smooth out. The beginning of hip hop R&B. Yeah. Wow. So let me ask you something, because I've just seen Trick Daddy, right?

Trick Daddy is going viral because Trick Daddy said Beyonce can't sing. Right. And it reminded me of something I thought I heard you say. I thought I heard you say. I thought I heard you say Mary J. Brice can't sing. They start early. You started in the beginning and you go in. Okay. Here we go. Okay. I immediately thought of you. I'm so sorry.

I immediately thought of you when he said that. It's all good. So here's my thing. Let me get a glass. Technically, maybe Mary's not the most perfect singer. Who the fuck is? My issue with Mary Because everybody knows that I've had an issue and I'm realizing now it probably Shouldn't be at Mary as much as it should be towards Diddy

Okay, because when Ron and I started this whole mixtape singing on the same wrong still on Ron Okay, that was how we got our deal with Step Son Records. Okay. The whole album was that. Singing on hip, so people understand who don't know, singing on hip hop beats. Right. Which wasn't normal at the time. It wasn't normal at the time.

Mary's first album, if you remember, was all like jazzy songs, a couple of dance songs, but it was remixed to sound like a mixtape. Diddy had gone to Ron and asked Ron to do my stuff for Mary. Wow. Ron said no because Miss Jones is my artist, and that's the style I'm using for her. Wow. Diddy went behind his back. Like, they just recently started speaking again.

Wow. Ron G and Diddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, okay. Damn. This is an untold story. I didn't know this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, okay. Damn. Yeah. This is Untold Story. I didn't know this one. Yeah, so he took the whole style,

and because, you know, my label, Stepson, they didn't have a lot of money. They didn't have a lot of money. They was under Tommy Boy, wasn't they? Yeah, but really, really under. And so,

what's the label? Whatever label, MCA, whatever. He was on Motown, though, right? That was later. That was later, yeah. Yeah, a whole lot of lawsuits later. But so,

Uptown had the money. MCA had the money. And they already had proven success. So it's just like, put it in the machine and let's just keep it running. So they actually beat us to the punch. And so I always wound up looking like I was trying to sound like her. Wow. But the people in the streets know.

The people that are the mixtape heads know. And now that I'm back out, they're really, really feeling a way. And they're like, you need to get your recognition and get flowers for that yeah it didn't work out musically you flipped it and did it in radio but fuck that so was there any time like that

you tried to get somebody for a feature in music and then they fronted on you but then they had to come back and see your ass at the radio station oh that must have been fun I like your question they fronted on you, but then they had to come back and see your ass at the radio station. Oh. That must have been fun. I like your question.

Pull her up, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not playing. We're not playing today. I'm excited to have you here, by the way. No, thank you. Just so you know. I'm glad to be here. Has there ever been somebody who, like, you reached out and said, yo, let me get on the

record. They didn't get on the record for whatever reason and then they came back to the rail station and either needed a favor or how was that? Or how about someone I slept with and wanted a feature. And thought I...

I like that. Okay. So I would have slept With him anyway Just to be clear He wasn't like An asshole like that Right Busta

And No Busta You know You already know But to his defense Right I was never like Considered a hot

R&B artist And at that time They wanted Heat matches heat So he would go get With Jhane And do a song And I'm like,

am I not doing it hard enough? Like, what can I do to get the... That wasn't ready. That wasn't ready. So and so and so and he would come. So later on

when I'm like rocking and radio, I was kind but it wasn't just Busta Rhymes is coming up tomorrow. No, he's not. We'll get back

and let Busta know when Busta can come. Busta, you probably didn't know that. Oh, okay. And I love him still. But yeah, that's the one that comes to mind immediately. Right, because you did write about him in the book. I did hear about that. But, okay.

You read my book, too. Just get a little off of me. I didn't know this was going to go there. We didn't have one drink in yet. No, I told you. Yo, for real, let's start. Deathlight. I'm going to take my marijuana shot right here.

You're going to take a shot? I'm going to start with a shot. OK, OK, OK. I'm going to start with a shot. And hold on. I got this my drink. I want to start with a shot, too. OK.

Oh, that's what I'm talking about. That's the stuff I need. I'm right next to you. No, no, I need a shot glass. No, I'm saying her bottle. I want to put this one here for display. Oh, shit. Oh, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm going to take a shot of watermelon. I want to put this one here for display. Oh, shit. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm going to take a shot out. I'm watermelon.

I'm going to do a watermelon. Oh. I'm going to do a watermelon because I want to start off slow. But, you know what I mean? Oh, my God. This is getting, this guy, this guy, this guy. We're at the beginning. So, another thing is.

Not another thing is. I think the first time I ever heard Stephen A. Smith on the actual radio, I was like, what the fuck? I'm going to do a watermelon. I'm going to do a watermelon. I'm going to do a watermelon. I'm going to do a watermelon. I'm going to do a watermelon. I'm going to do a watermelon. I'm going to do a watermelon. Not another thing is I think the first time I ever heard Stephen A. Smith On the actual radio

Was actually your show Yeah Donald Rollins First time I ever heard of him On the radio Is your show Like she really I got a whole list

Yeah So how was that to see You know First off What did Stephen A. Smith Get to do to get on the Mr. Jones show? He was just an amazing, so he was writing for the Philadelphia paper. So it was the Philly Airwaves, right? No.

Wow, you know what's crazy? I automatically thought it was New York because both of y'all from Queens. No, but he, so it was when I got fired from Philly and came back to Hot 97. Okay. But I remembered him from writing on the Philly papers from when I was down from Philly and came back to Hot 97. But I remembered him from writing on the Philly Papers from when I was down in Philly. And he was always like an amazing writer and always had these great relationships like behind the scenes. So when we were looking for a co-host, I didn't want to go normal co-host comedian route. I wanted somebody that could bring a different.

And he's very opinionated, if you haven't noticed. Let me ask you. So was Stephen at the time, was he a sports commentator or he wasn't? He was just a commentator, period. I think he, I don't know if he was a sports commentator, but I know he wasn't to the level of which he has become. Of course not. You know what I mean? Right.

And so we brought him on, but it was great because he could talk about everything. He could talk about the music, and he's from Queens. Right. And so he talks about life issues, and it was, but he always wanted that that sports thing was his thing Wow and hot probably wasn't gonna pay him What he would have wanted and you know, he's the I believe he's the most paid sports caster There is there is now. Did you ever see did you see that coming from the beginning? Well, well ESPN is just ESPNPN. On ESPN. Okay, my bad. I thought it was... It's still good.

It's still good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So did you see that coming? I did not because you know what I remember about him. That's modest of you to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's modest, okay. I did because he's very humble in that he never got rid of that house in Willingboro. Right.

And he always said, I'm never letting this house go because you just never know. Right. And I just thought that was like real... That's like... Right. That's how we... Right. When we grow up the way we grow up... Right. You're always holding just never know. Right. And I just thought that was like real, that's like, that's how we, when we grow up the way we grow up,

you're always holding on to that. Right. But also, he has a, he has an incredible work ethic. Right. So I'm not surprised.

Right. And I'm happy for him. He and I interviewed Rick James the day before he died. Wow. Wait a minute, let's take this shot.

Hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We love Rick James. Hold on, hold on. Oh, do you? Yeah, yeah, we love Rick James the day before he died. Wow. Wait a minute. Let's take this shot. Hold on. Hold on. We love Rick James. Hold on. Hold on. We love Rick James. Hold on. Okay. Wait a minute. You and Stephen A. I can't even picture this, by the way. Because I'm picturing I can't imagine who

Stephen A. was. I can only picture who I wake up every day right now. So, now bring us to the sign. It's you, Stephen A. and obviously this is not picture who I wake up every day right now. So, now bring us to the sign. It's you, Stephen A. And obviously, this is not Zoom. This is not Zoom.

This is in person. This is at Hot 97. Okay. And actually, Rick James, was he in the studio? I think he was on the phone from L.A. Okay, okay.

There we go. But he was like party pride. He was on cocaine through the phone. Through the phone, you can tell he's on cocaine. And we locked him.

He said it's a day before he died. Either the day or two days. What I remember is the He said it's a day before he died. Either the day or two days. What I remember is the next day, I was in AC. And Steven called me with the news and was like, we just interviewed this nigga. He did not sound like he. I mean, how do you sound?

Right, yeah. But we were like, and I said, you realize that's a forever moment for us, me and you? Right. And he was like, it's a fucked up moment. But you're right. That will go down in the books. Yeah. So we might have even done Rick James' final interview.

And I never went back to Ebro or Hot 97 to say, is it archived? Wow. Because life goes on. People move on. You know, people die every day. And that's legendary. Just to talk to Rick James. Yeah.

And it was just another day on the show for us. Right. And you just never know. That's amazing. Right. Impactful. What was your,

at Hot, what was your first, what was your favorite interview you ever did? When Nas and, when Summer Jam, when Jay-Z did whatever he,

I can't even remember because I drink so much. I remember this perfectly. Go ahead. Keep going. And Angie and Flex would not let well I guess the station

was told do not let Nas allegedly the station had said don't let Nas come up there bashing Jay. Well the rumor was it was Mike Kaiser.

Do you remember Mike Kaiser? Y'all had something going on. No. Just that I reached out for a sponsorship and was promised one and I'm still waiting Mike. Okay. Okay, all right. Just that I reached out for a sponsorship and was promised one, and I'm still waiting, Mike. Okay, all right, cool.

Let's get to this shit. Let's go. I can't continue. And Kaiser had a heavy hand in what... That was the rumor. The rumor was that Nas was going to come out, and Mike Kaiser had people set up to... He's supposed to hang Jay-Z.

Yeah. He's supposed to hang him. I remember. This is in the middle of the wall. I have no factual proof. Remember, I said the rumor is. You mean like an image of that.

No, they was going to hang like a dummy, a dummy of him. So the rumor has it was Def Jam, Mike Kaiser was the corporate. That's my man. Me and him is great.

Yeah, no, we're all good. Everybody's Mike Kaiser. The rumor has it was he had people set up to pull the plug so if Nas was to be able to do that. So that's the rumor. Did you hear that rumor or no?

So I don't know. I did hear the rumor of the noosing. I don't know if that was even Nas' play. Okay. But what I do know is that whatever transpired that night, Nas was insulted and no one would give him an outlet. And he went to power? He might have, but he came to me.

Oh, okay. I'm always the black sheep of Hot 97. All right, all right. And so when Angie's like, no, I can't do that. And Flex is like. Oh, yeah, because he dissed Angie, too. Okay, we'll continue. So that was my most, I think, just off top.

And this was in person? Mm-hmm. Okay, he came to Hot 97? I let him come. Oh, wow. I let him come. He was wow. I let him come. He was the only one where he was the black sheep,

you was the black sheep. He was basically banned. He went to another stage and said, fuck them. Yep. You know what I mean? And you, oh, wow. But I let him use my,

because he was frustrated and come on, that's QB. I'm a story. You're not. Come on. Please get the money. So, all right, so let's just describe

this interview. So he's pissed off. He didn't get a chance to perform at Summer Jam. He goes to this other station. He says whatever. But now this is his first time explaining himself to not only you, but to the tri-state area and New York. So what was his explanation why he didn't come?

I don't remember. I think at that point, he was in shock. I was in shock. And I think his mind was just spinning about what his reaction should be. You know, Nas is very, very, I don't want to say calculating, but he's a thinker. He's not a reactive person. And as it might seem like he's just reacting, he's always got the next three steps ahead. So he's talking, but he's still keeping it cool. Like a chess player.

The best chess player. And so no one knew that Ether was coming. Right. No one knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one knew that. No one knew. Were you at Hot 97 when they had Battle of the Beaks between Ether and Takeover?

I was. You were? I was. Can you describe that? I mean, it took sides. Right. Everybody was... K Slade clearly made his choice

that he was on Nas' side. He was on... Because K is my people. Right. Me and K, when I used to not show up for my Sunday night show, I would call him the villain.

Wow. So I feel like me and him, we saw things alike. I mean, no disrespect to anybody at the station because I love and adore Flex and Angie. Flex started me in radio, so to speak.

Produced one of those mixtape songs on my very first album that was never released. So I have love. But they had their loyalty and rightly so. You know,

I don't know what their relationship with Jay was, but clearly it was solid and, you know, accounted for. And I had mine for Nas. Right. Because Nas, had it not been for Nas talking to me, I wouldn't And I had mine for Nas. Right. Because Nas,

had it not been for Nas talking to me, I wouldn't have done the Sugar Hill record. Yeah. The AZ record. Oh. Not to mention, we used to hang. Like, we used to go out there and just be on the benches.

You know what I mean? When he was in town. But even after that, when he became huge, he never acted huge to me. He always was like, come here, Jonesy, what you doing? Right. Wow. This is great history to me. He always was like, come here, Jonesy. What you doing?

Right. Wow. This is great history right here. This is great history. Yeah, it's a lot. I don't even realize. You know how you don't realize that it's history?

Right. Because you're just... Because you're in it. You're in it. Right. And let's not let it fly over people's heads. You're talking about

AZ, Sugar Hill. Yes. Classic record. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Yes. Classic record. Yeah.

Biggest record of my career. So, all right. So, you do this interview after this. Now, how is your coworkers? Because, like, how are they? Are they salty? Let's just be clear. Because Nas is not just a regular interview.

Like, he is, it was, and this time it's him and Jay. So, how is it coming to work the next day? Is your coworker saying, Miss Jones, you ain't loyal? They always felt I was. Everyone knows I'm crazy. Everybody knows. When Wendy and Angie had the fight, I picked Wendy's side. They really literally had a fight?

First fight? Yeah. Really? I mean, it was a lot of windmilling and like, oh, oh, oh. I can't picture this. Wendy and I can't. You know that vending machine that used to be outside the room yeah

it was right over there get out of here right before the bathroom yes so to the point I was forced to take a side from the moment

I got in that building right and at that time sound like some high school shit no I mean at that time let me just tell you

something and God bless me because I don't want this to sound crazy, but we actually needed Power 105 because it was like, how did they say it had, I don't want to say too much power because I don't want to say too much power. They were potent.

They were potent? How did I say it was potent? If it wasn't for how they say it, it probably wouldn't be no me. So what I'm trying to say is, but it wasn't no balance. What I mean is is if I did something wrong or something I would just be bad right and that was it it wouldn't have nothing like so did you think at one point that like the station was just too powerful because it's really it was really the truth at one point if Flex didn't play your record you were dead if Clue didn't and you you

had a chance maybe Clue would right Clue maybe but Clue had the monday night mixtape it was only one day a week right so what do you think that it was too much power at that time absolutely they didn't hardly play my shit right right and you worked for the same and i was there but the rules are the rules you either get out or lay down and so not for nothing when power f power 105 started right three weeks prior or like a month prior i had just gotten fired off of star and buck wild why so i was excited at the prospect of a power 105 and i was in conversation with my former boss from hot who started power steve smith okay yes big shout out to steve yeah and um and we were in conversation about me coming across the street and shocking

new york with yeah she's fired from star and buck but now she's doing this over here but i had And we were in conversation about me coming across the street And shocking New York with Yeah, she's fired from Star and Buck But now she's doing this over here But I had to non-compete And you're on the flaws in your contract Oh yeah, yeah, yeah So I can't work in New York Because it's too close to Hot 97

Power was too close And so they threatened to sue They were looking Hot 97 was looking Because they didn't like when power came into the market. They didn't know. You could tell. I think there was even something about a, not stolen, but a hijacked URL.

Wow. I think, I think, please don't, if I'm wrong, I think we might have gotten the Power105.com URL. I believe. What? You remember, right? So, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, yeah. So, we was, yeah.

Okay, wow. This got real. This got real. Okay. All right. So, all right. No, no, no, no. Okay.

But why'd you get far from Star and Book? That's my question. All right. So, I need more cheering. Yeah, yeah. I got another no, no. Okay. But why'd you get far from Star and Buck? That's my question. All right, so. I need more cheering. Yeah, yeah. I got another shot, too. Come on, let's go. Let's do it.

Let's rock. Let's go, let's go, let's go. Okay. Yeah, because this is, all right, let's just be clear. To people who don't know, Star and Buck Wild was the wildest show at the time. Wildest. Wildest. They were doing shit.

They did a Aaliyah skit. We'll ask about that. You ain't have nothing to do with Aaliyah skit. We'll ask you about that. You ain't have nothing to do with the Aaliyah skit, right? I was there in the room and that was the beginning of my firing, but I didn't, I mean, I kind of knew. I had to pick a side. Right.

Let's take a shot and then we're going to talk about that. Okay. Boom. Salud. Salud. Come on. Come on, galera. So what we were saying, okay, Star and Buck, how did you get fired from Star and Buck?

That was a heavy pour okay that's a Dominican pour so Star and Buck were writing for Source I think

okay yeah I remember those cartoons that they wait it was some some magazine they were writers

I think it was a Source it was a Source it was a Source yeah and then they submitted their stuff to Tracy, who was the program director at the time. OK. Just to see, you know, if she might be interested in that type of material. Tracy Clarity, right?

Tracy Clarity. She was the boss. And so Ed Lover and Dr. Dre, the biggest probably morning show. Well, until Star and Buck came. But at that time, they were the biggest. They had just left, and they were constantly, Hot 97 was trying to find a replacement, and there were a lot of shows in between.

So before Star and Buck Wild came... I mean, they went to LA or some shit, and they got like a two million crazy amount of money. Yeah, but then it didn't last. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Unfortunately. So then you get on Star and Buck Wild. So I was on... This is before you and Fat Man School? No, it was me and Fat Man School. First.

Right. Okay. All right. And then Tracy said in one of our meetings, I have this group of writers, this team of writers, and they want to write for your thing. That's how they came in as writers? I knew to play. Oh, okay.

Because I'm from Queens. What? I didn't know. I still don't know how to play. Put me on. Yeah, I knew to play. Like, yeah, sure, you want to be a writer. Right.

You want to get in here. But I have no power. Like, I'm just happy to have a job. So they're writing for us. The material that he wrote probably was great material for him. Right. But it didn't work for me in Fat Man School. You know, put your hands up.

We're happy. We're like, wake up. Who's him? Who's him specifically? Fat Man. Star. Star. No, but there's two people. Well, it was wake up. Wait, who's him? Who's him specifically? Fat Man. Star. Star.

No, but there's two people. Well, it's really Star. It's really Star. It's really like a swift star. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Without a microphone. Okay. I'm going to throw my shoe at you.

I killed that. I killed that. I killed that. If you know the analogy, I just killed that. Real quick, you did that. So Star was writing material for Fat Man Scoop and I that was not on brand. That's what I'll call it. Not on brand.

Okay. But he was still, you know, he was developing his relationship with Tracy all the while. Right. Me and Scoop were just trying to find our way and maintain something. But we kind of sensed that they weren't investing in us because they never made the title of the show Fat Man Scoop and Miss Jones or Miss Jones and Fat Man Scoop. It was a Hot 97 morning show. Morning show. Wow. These are things that people

need to pay attention to when they're working and they're trying to make, pay attention to labeling branding. If you could pay attention, like Joe Button, he started his podcast. It was named Name This Podcast Later. And now his podcast is called The Joe Button Podcast. You could have seen he was going solo. You see the play. He was going solo. I'm so sorry, Joe.

He named it later. After all the views and acclaim that he named it. So we knew they weren't invested in us. So one day, Tracy calls me in her office after the show went off, me and Fat Man Scoop. And she's like, close my door. All right, so we're making a change. Star and Buck Wilde are going to be taking over the morning show. And I want you to be there With them

Wow And I'm like What about Scoops She goes Scoops going to Either overnight Or middays But he doesn't know

And if you tell him You're fired Oh And she's like You have to think about yourself Jonesy Which in hindsight now Being grown

And being stung And trying to play good And still getting fucked over. She was right. I did need to look out for myself and not tell Scoop to play. So let me just stop you right there. Did you tell Scoop to play?

I did not tell Scoop to play. Scoop, I'm sorry. Well, he's just finding out now. I mean, it never came up. But to the point, Scoop knew my story and that as soon as I came home from college, my mom died like two weeks later. My dad died freshman year. So I had nothing.

I was literally in those streets all them years that y'all heard me singing on mixtapes and doing radio, filling in, fighting for my life. So I think Scoop understood, you know, I didn't have a backup plan. I had to do what I had to do, really, or I could have been in them streets for real. Or a drug dealer's girlfriend. Sometimes I wonder, might not have been such a bad thing to me. Oh, God. Hold on.

Let me drink some more. So, I didn't tell Scoop, next week, it's like this whole big takeover of publicity. Star and Buck Wilde. Okay, let me ask you something, though. Was Star and Buck Wilde at other stations prior to that? No.

No, they wasn't. This is their first gig. It was their first gig. It was writers prior to that. And they took over the morning show. They did, with the help of the Hot 97 engine. But what was, it had to be one episode that stood out. What was the episode that stood out that made them say, let's give them the job?

No, there was no episode. There was no episode. They just built that relationship. I think she built a right. You know how, if you if I get into you and you feel me as a person and you know I'm talented, the rest is just a matter of signing paperwork. We'll figure the rest

of the shit out. And why not give a chance? You know what I mean? And I think Tracy wanted to take Hot 97 maybe climaxed she knew she needed to do something different to get the white boy listeners no disrespect, love our white boys but she wanted to hit

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And that is what Star and Buckwild were able to do. And I say Star and Buckwild. Now, I was the feature of Miss Jones. I did my little straight man stuff, but it was his content and his perspective on the content, his spin on it.

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So let me ask you, you said you didn't have anything to do with the Aaliyah thing, but how was that atmosphere like? What was the Aaliyah thing? Describe it for anybody who doesn't know. Jay-Z says a part of it in his rhyme. He says, Star is mad because I won't grab him an interview. But he dissed you. So I dissed something. So in the new remix with Aaliyah. And what happened was Star and Buck, while Aaliyah did a car crash.

Well, she died in a plane crash. And you know that rocked. None of us had ever Died Like That was like the first Yeah that was really The first one Of our peers

You know what I mean It was tragic And it was sudden Right And I need another shot Yeah let's do another shot But basically

Star And Buck Did a A skit It was more Of a song The writer in the room Meant to be comedy

I'm assuming The writer in the room This is the definition Of too soon You know how when people Say too soon This is how the definition Got invented

Was everyone was like You know we get it Even comedians Was like we get it But even comedy back then Didn't believe in too soon Thank you Yeah too

Well comedy doesn't believe In too soon Thank you Yeah too Well I don't know timing Comedy doesn't believe In too soon still To this day They'll make a joke About another comedian While he's going through it

Like you know Kevin Hart is a Great example of that He was going through it With his wife And a lot of the comedians Still gave it to him And you have to

Because you have to Say truth to what it is So I think that Was the meaning Of too soon I mean And so They were And you have to Because you have to Say truth to what it is So I think that That was the Meaning of too soon I mean And so They were

I kept seeing them Run in and out of the studio Oh sorry Sorry We watching you We watching you This is a great chance Go ahead

There was a lot of going In and out of the studio That morning And I knew they were Up to something Uma has it Dame Daz called up That was later There was a lot of going in and out of the studio that morning. And I knew they were up to something. Uma has it, Dame Dash called up. That was later. Okay.

That was later. This morning, when the song was about to be played, there was a lot of in and out of the studio, starting to go out the studio that much like that. He stayed in? He used to always stay there, and Reese, who was one of our writers at the time, he would come in whatever he had.

This morning, there was both of them. So I knew something was coming, but I didn't know, but I'm not stupid, so I figured what it would be. You don't even understand

what they're about to play. I had no idea. Oh, this is crazy. I didn't know this. And how soon was it, though? This was the next day, I think. It was the next day.

After she passed? After she died on Friday or Saturday? This was Monday, something like that. She passed Saturday. It wasn't a I think. It was the next day. After she passed? After she died on like a Friday or Saturday. This was Monday. Oh, hell. This was Monday, something like that. Like, she passed Saturday. It wasn't a long time. Saturday, and this was Monday. And Monday.

They're going in and out. And I'm sensing, and then I hear a little bit of, and I'm like, don't do it. I told Star, don't do it. This is why he says, Miss Jones knew. I knew you was up to something involving that, but I didn't know the lengths that you was going to go, nigga, because you would have known. I can't be a part of that.

Right. Even if I wanted to ride with you, I can't. I can't do it. So the next, it was like, we're halfway through the show, maybe close to the end. They play the sound effects of a car crashing and a female voice screaming.

Like as if it's a shrill, it's like a shrill of someone perishing by fire. Yeah. Like do you want like. What do you mean by that? Yeah, that's what I thought too. Okay, love it. No, that's the plane, but then did you hear the,

the voice? It was like a. I didn't even remember, okay. And so, and so you're thinking real quick in the moment and the mics are on. Right. What do I do? What do I, there's not like,

so I said, I separated myself from the situation. I did. And so I didn't appreciate it. Okay. And the phones got turned out and I walked off the show and Tracy came in. I don't think she knew quite the impact of what was going to happen or what was happening. But within 30 minutes, I think like 75 percent of the Hot 97 advertisers had called and pulled out.

And she's on one phone and Judy is on another phone and they're trying to stop the bleeding. Wow. And and and and so Tracy called me in her office at some point and like broke me down and was like you know I don't care what happens you don't leave your co-host, you don't. Thank you for anticipating. Yeah. So it was like mixed emotions, because first she was telling me, you're fucked up, basically. Not those exact words.

For leaving Star. For leaving Star. And letting him take all the heat. Okay. But I'm like, bitch, I didn't even think that up. That wasn't one of my skits. Right. But I got it. And so, again, here'sonesy going against the grain of hot 97 right three hours later after i'm home

she calls and goes great i'm suspending star the people want you i need you to fill in and like help clean this up make this go away let. Let me ask you something. That's another example of... Let me ask you now. When you come in that day, when you fill in, do you apologize on his behalf? I did not. Oh, wow. They did not want me to read... To even talk about it. Right. Which is the stupidest thing.

It's on everyone's mind. Everybody's waiting and... That's like when a person gets to the moon, they want to see what the hell your first words is exactly But we're trained puppies that whenever a catastrophe happens tsunami You're told to not listen now listen tsunami after that Yes, and I'm was after let me pick up DJ envy because DJ envy had to let the people know that that Jonesy was not in the building

This is too controversial situations, though. There's a lot missing, Nori. And there's some shit that you don't even know. Okay, yeah. That I'm going to tell our boy. I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah, yeah.

Let's go. No, that's right. Organic food kings in the building. God damn it. Let's do it. Okay. And so at that point, I come in and I start doing the show. And I'm trying to, you know, just do the show.

And I can't talk about anything because they're trying to work out getting the advertisers back and stuff. Two airplanes decide to fly into the Twin Towers. Wow. Now, the pressure is intense. Hot 97

don't know what to do about Star. They don't know where the direction that they need to take to stop the bleeding and make this go away. Right. The two planes took that shit away. They bunged them back on. Because when 9-11 happened...

They needed to laugh. Sorry, Aaliyah. This is the leading story. Wow. Right. Yeah, it's like it erased everything. It's like Star. Wow.

So, be it not for... I don't even know. Be it not for 9-11 Wow Star might There might have been A different outcome Right

Now the tsunami song Star didn't have Nothing to do with that Oh no that was all It's not me But it was my It was my On my watch

Okay Yeah that was years later And So here's the thing. Yeah. 9-11 happened. We, everybody, America shifts gears. The focus is no longer on.

America's no longer racist. Right, exactly. They're no longer racist. Not towards our people. We are the heroes. We are the heroes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Although they've forgotten about this gorgeous, smart, intelligent black girl that died in a plane crash.

That just got tossed away. Now we're all one. Come out and help. And so when that happened, Star got an opportunity to be responsible and do the right thing. He got a second chance. But here's what's funny about that. Because didn't Jay-Z drop an album on 9-11 as well? Did he?

Yeah. Yeah. On that day. What album was it? Blueprint. On that day of 9-11. So you would think

it would like even it out. Offset? Yeah, offset it to a little. I'm not asking. I'm just, you know. I wasn't even aware. I don't think anything's

going to offset 9-11. No, up to an offset, you know, like the balance of Aaliyah's disrespect because once again, it was disrespectful to a dead person.

Right. But that album had to already be in the, back then. Okay, yeah, you're right. You know, you have your set date. Yeah, two years, almost a year and a half.

before the album drops. It's a set up. You can't go back in and change the line back then. Right, because Polygram or Polydor or whoever it is that's printing it.

So that was, that honestly was just probably the stars lining up. So let me ask you, because bouncing around, did Jay and Dame ever take that personal with you, the Leah? No. Never? I mean, so they were my, after that, they were my champions. Like, Dame showed up to my birthday party at Caroline. Oh, because you walked out.

That's right. Okay, okay. Yeah, I was on the good side. Okay, okay. And they've always, they put me in their Oh, because you walked out. That's right. Okay. Yeah, I was on the good side. Okay, okay. And they've always, they put me in their movies, Death of a Dynasty, Paper Soldiers. That's right. I've been in those, too. Thank you, Star.

Kevin Hart. Right. Yeah, I worked with Kevin Hart before Kevin Hart was, like, really, really. Yeah. So, you know, and so I didn't, sometimes shit be happening so fast, you don't know the right thing to do. Right. And I just did what I knew I couldn't be a part of.

I knew what that outcome would look like if I had stayed in that chair. Right. So I bounced. Right. I abandoned things. I have abandonment issues. Right. So I leave when I don't know what to do.

Leave. Where you at? Let's give her another shot. Because we're going to talk about when Wendy Williams tried to kill you. Ooh. Okay. Yeah. Y we're going to talk about when Wendy Williams tried to kill you. Ooh! OK. Yeah. Y'all got to finish this tsunami.

You can keep telling me tsunami. I don't know what the fuck y'all talking about. You're right. You're right. Can I say something? I have some friends from, you know, Queensflit that I work with that came down here. I want to shout out.

Absolutely. Yeah, no problem. Can we do that? Yeah, Queensflip, we're here. Do now. Do now. Come on.

Come on through. This is DJ G-Money. Okay. He does the Queensflip. Like, he put me on his back to bring me back. Right.

I know G-Money. What's up? You've been over here this whole time? Come over here and say what's up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give us a five.

And we're going to bring you in at the end, but we're going to give us a five. Come on, come on, come on. Come on, bro. Yeah, man. I'm proud of y'all. Kiki Eaters.'m proud of y'all eaters you're proud of y'all you're proud of the script hey babe appreciate you probably coming all the way down here that's good this

is family this is family i just have to show support for the family yeah yeah we're gonna bring you in right there hold on hold on yeah yeah that's nice i like this i like this i'm like when we talk about the tsunami we finished up tsunami yeah i know what y'all talking about. Yeah, so. I heard something about this. And that's what you go, and then we're going to talk about when Wendy Williams tried to get her killed.

We'll get back to the murder. We'll get back to the murder. Okay, we'll put the murder on back burner for now. Yeah, that's bad. Okay, so this is another parody song situation? Yes.

What's with morning shows and parody songs? It's a big deal. And white radio. Yeah, I'm talking, they've been doing that. Right. Right.

So remember now, we're trying to get that Z100... So that's what it is, trying to compete with that and get that audience? So she hired... They still do these songs parodies to these days if you look at it. Right, but I mean, we're talking about stuff that's like... You know, everyone is politically correct right now. Everybody don't want to offend

nobody. Right now. So yeah, right now. It's going to flip in a minute. You know that, right? It's going to go back to ratchet, fuck your mother, fuck your father, fuck your kids. It's going to flip in a minute. You know that, right? Yeah, yeah. It's going to go back to Ratchet, fuck your mother, fuck your father, fuck your kids. It's going back. So, the tsunami, what happens is, let's just describe to people, this was like the world's worst tsunami that at least we pictured. Mad people died.

Mad people died. So, this song comes out, and what is this song? Do you remember how this song went? I do. Okay. At this point, so, Star star had fired me I'm in Philly I'm doing great in Philly big shout out to Philly help where you said star fires you now star fire it was hot at 7 no no no it was star okay so after you do that yeah no it was the lead it wasah thing. Oh, the Aaliyah thing. Okay, okay, I remember. So after that, he rebounded. Ratings went back up after 9-11.

How much time is this now? I don't know. What year did Aaliyah... It was close enough that you knew he was still salty about me abandoning him on the show. So he knew when he came back, he was going to fire you eventually. Probably. Right, okay. And then when he fired me, before he fired me, Tracy had already come to me with a new contract. We had already agreed to an amount. I was good. But a contract under that show? Yeah,

under that show. No, under that show. And she knew I had just bought a new apartment. I had just gotten, I bought a new apartment on 116th and Lenox, that apartment building called, I think it's a Renaissance. No, the, whatever it is, it's on the corner of Lenox and 116. I had just gotten it and I was so excited. She knew, this ain't the time to be firing a nigga. But Star had renegotiated

and maybe part of the new terms were that he got to decide who would be on his show. Because going in, she put me on the show because she knew Star and Buck Wilde needed someone familiar

that had been there. Someone that could actually read and articulate and has a relationship with artists. Knows the background of the artist. Star and Buckwild were anti-artists, for those of you that don't know. They might have known a lot, but the artist didn't necessarily fuck with them. The good thing about Jonesy is that everybody loves Jonesy. God damn, make some noise for that. Continue, continue.

So I was there. I served a purpose. After that Aaliyah thing, my purpose didn't much matter. Because he rebounded and they renegotiated with him. And then she said, Star doesn't want you in the show anymore. I said, you're my boss. I'm not working for Star. She's like, yeah, well, but meet with him.

Talk to him. You know, just make him think. Do whatever you have to do is what she said. Do whatever you have to do to remain a part of that show. I was in Atlantic City the next weekend. I came home early. Me and my girlfriend, Cherise, were changing faces. Do you mind if I stroke you up?

So we're in Atlantic City. I'm like, bitch, we gotta go home because I gotta kiss up the star. I pulled up to his building. He comes out. He's like, yeah, it's not me. It's the other guys on the show. They don't think that you're loyal. They don't want you around. Yeah. So basically, he doesn't give me my job

back. And I'm like jobless with this new apartment in Harlem. And I don't know what I'm going to do. Wendy gets worried. Everyone got worried that Starbuck's going to fire me before I did. Wendy calls. Now, at that point, Kevin, her husband

or her ex-husband now was calling shots. He did not want me and Wendy to remain friends because he always thought I was a threat. So she's whispering on the phone, Jones, I know you just got let go. And I know you need a job.

Call this person and that person in Philly. Tell them that Wendy told you to call. Wow. And I wound up. That's dope. Yeah. So that's why I say despite them trying to have me murdered, I can't be but so mad. Murder?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's before Tsunami. Now, let's get to the Tsunami. I'm going to get back to the murder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. To the murder? That's a lot of shit.

Wait, can we give it up for a lot of shit? Give it up for a lot of shit. Give it up for murder? Murder? All right. Because the Tsunami song was like... Murder, murder. The Tsunami song was like Murder? Murder? The Tsunami song was like

what a lot of people are experiencing right now. There's an Asian hate bill that went around. And so, Trace, so it's kind of out of order. So, Wendy did that. I went to Philly. I'm in Philly rocking. Star is calling

my phone harassing me on my voicemail. Yeah, you think you're doing something down in Philly, but I'm about to come for you. They're about to have me syndicated in Philly and I'm going to take you down. He's on my voicemail saying these things. Oh yeah, that's how people was back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, whatever. You basically sent yourself

to jail. Yeah. That was DMs back then. Those were DMs back then. So, eventually, I do wind up coming back to New York. And when I come back to New York, Tracy again, she's hired, do you remember Opie and Anthony? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She hired their producer, Rick Delgado. So, if you know Opie and Anthony, you know that Star and Bugwile ain't got shit on the antics that those two motherfuckers did. They had, for example, a couple having sex, and I think it was the same... A cathedral? Yeah, one of the cathedrals.

I don't even know the name of the cathedral, but yeah. It's fucked up. Right. It's so bad. And so, she hired so bad. And so, he was now my comeback to New York. Miss Jones is coming back. I've never met this man. She hired him to be my producer.

Right. Now, I am nine months pregnant with Jalen. Big shout out to Jalen, my son. Oh, big applause. What's going on? What's going on? Okay, okay. That's what's up.

That's what's up. And I'm pregnant. And so I'm grateful to have a job. Right. I'm pregnant, and so I'm grateful to have a job. And so I'm home because I had just had him in December. Tsunami happened. We call it tsunami, sorry. Me, Envy, and those of us. In, like, January, February.

I was home nursing him. But what Hot 97 did to accommodate me at that time, because they wanted me really bad to come back, because now stars across the street at Power 105. And was it called the Miss Jones Show or the Miss Jones Experience? It was called Miss Jones in the Morning. Okay, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So when I told them that I needed, I'll do your show, but I can't be coming all the way, like, come on. Right, right, come on. Like, I, they set up what was now Zoom 10 years ahead of time. Wow. They paid like $10,000 a month for me to have a TV

at home where I could nurse Jalen and I could see DJ Envy, Miss Info. That's big. Yeah. this is before the technology was even like accessible to people

wow and so Rick Delgado came up with this Tsunami Song thing and so he's like

through the TV he's telling me I came up with this idea I'm gonna play it whatever whatever he plays it and this is sad

to say how asleep at the wheel People be Right But he played it In the six o'clock hour Six o'clock niggas Don't really give a fuck

Right Cause they're either Getting off work Or still sleepy And getting to work Or they're at happy hour Or they're Yeah

Can we give it up For happy hour Yeah give it up For happy hour Yeah And so Dr. Jeff Who you know from

Love and Hip Hop But he was on my show first Yeah He came in at 8 o'clock Yeah yeah yeah He came in at 8 o'clock Every whatever morning that was And we're talking about

The Tsunami song Because Miss Info was Like she was like Y'all shouldn't have done that I'm telling y'all She really was The adult in the room Wow

And so we're like Alright but whatever And I'm not there I'm seeing through a TV And I'm like The showall, she really was the adult in the room. Wow. And so we're like, all right, but whatever. And I'm not there. I'm seeing through a TV. And I'm like, the show got to keep going. They did it, but we got to keep going. Dr. Jeff comes in and goes, what are y'all talking about? Can I hear the song?

We play the song in the 8 o'clock hour, which we find out later on is the most listened to hour. Wait, so him asking what are you talking about let me hear it is this on the air? Oh yeah. Right. So Rick plays that motherfucker.

Right. And when I tell you they come, the sales people come running. I'm watching through the TV and I'm saying, I'm like, what's going on?

And I'm home but I'm still present. Is it similar to the Leah situation or is it just, okay, all right. But it's like, I know it's going down. It was different because I couldn't be there physically to manage it. I'm home now.

I'm a mom. I'm soft and pink. I'm not with the shits. But I got with it real quick because the boss then was Barry Mayo. Tracy is now gone. Barry Mayo brought me back. He drives from New York all the way to Willingboro.

Big shout out to your partner, Capone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Because we used to hang out in Willingboro. Come on through, Capone. Yes, yes. And he says,

we got a problem. Okay. So I'm like, what's going on? He's like, the world is mad and they want your head on a platter.

Wow. And I'm like, why my head? Well, you played the song. Bitch, I'm here. How am I playing the song? So what the play was, I believe he was in trouble because now he is corporate. Right.

Who approved that? He's the PD? He's the GM. Okay. That's over the PD. Oh, okay. Right. And earlier that morning, it came out later on, big shout out to DJ Envy and

Research, that he came into the studio after it was played and was like, y'all are sick motherfuckers but that was funny as hell. Allegedly. Wow. But Tsunami didn't go away. It didn't go over well and it did not go away. And so

Was this the Asian community At first Or this was just Anybody who was just At first it was everybody I could see everybody being Everybody was upset It was too sensitive

It was very It was wildly offensive It was distasteful It was shameful And it was just not Where we needed to be There was no need Like

There's other shit We could have found That was funny. But again, you dealing with Opie and Anthony's producer, this is what they do. Wow. You said Opie and Anthony? Opie and Anthony's producer, Rick Delgado. Wait, Opie-um?

Opie, Opie. Opie, right? I dream. Opie. I thought it was Opie. I dream. I dream. All right.

All right. All right. Opie and Anthony's producer, Rick Delgado. This is right up the lane of the shit that they did. So he knew he was hired to get with the shit. Right. So now everyone's blaming me because now the phones are ringing. 99% of the advertising.

McDonald's said bye. Right. And now I'm going to power. See, before, they didn't have another station to go to. When Aaliyah happened, power wasn't, it wasn't even invent,

what's the word? Created. Right, it wasn't created then. So it's like, all right, take your money, but bitch, where you gonna put it? Right. Now, there's another street,

and guess what? They're open. They're willing to give you bargains and they just ate that shit up and stars on the radio going oh those tsunami insensitive bastards down the block bring your money here

your money is good with us we'll never insult your community even though he was not a part of the tsunami storm. No, he was at power then. Oh, yes, right. So he's highlighting it. He's like, remember? Remember what they said about you guys?

Like, he's just twisting, twisting, twisting it. And so now, corporate at Hot 97 has to make a decision. Now, I'm newly back. I just came back like three months prior. Right. And so they sent the lawyer This is what happens boys and girls When you've gone too far at your job

They got the white boys The lawyers They came in overnight And they met secretly With everybody on my show Individually By themselves To get the story of what the fuck happened wow so me this

info's pissed off like no one's talking to her because we're like oh fuck you you probably the one that told the agents to come and boycott us ah envy and um and research her name is tay but she was like i call her research because she was like our full research department are being interviewed. And the story was that Miss Jones sung on the song and because it's her show, she's responsible for this.

So when the lawyers spoke to Envy and Research, they said, so they're asking the questions and they're like, yeah, Rick did the song and they're like, well, who's singing on the song? Because it says Rashawn, this DJ Envy, Tasha, and we know that's Miss Jones. Did you see Envy's song on the Tsunami song?

Rick made him do it. Oh, wow, Envy, we didn't know this. All right, but maybe he didn't. We didn't know, Rashawn. Maybe he didn't know he sang on it. My bad, man. But there were voices from that show on that song. So when he said, and Miss Jones, you know, she was singing too.

Envy was like, Envy and Research were like, Miss Jones, she hasn't been here since November. And they're like, wait a minute, what? How has she not? We hear her every day. So Envy's like, we have the system where she logs on in the morning and she pops up on a TV screen. And if it wasn't for that, they would have fired you. They would have fucking fired the pregnant black woman.

This is Big Up DJ. He held you down. And research, she did too. Because she confirmed it. So the lawyers are now like, this ain't what Barry Mayo told us. Allegedly. So I'm thinking, and the people what Barry Mayo told us, allegedly. So I'm thinking, and the people that love me are thinking,

that Barry Mayo, who was the GM, was trying to sacrifice me for his letting that whole thing happen. And once I'm fired, he's saved. No one asks questions. Right. And then you know they don't let you talk about shit again on radio. It's gang order, right? Right. So I knew

that what was about to happen, and, well, Jalen's dad at the time told me he saw the play. Right. My sister is a real big producer in daytime television. She has, like, five Emmy Awards

and, like, 500 nominations. She produces The View. Mm. Before that, she produced Nancy Grace and Johnny Cochran. She saw my name on the news because America knew about the Tsunami song.

It was bigger than New York. It was bigger than Nino Brown. It was international news and everybody hated Miss Jones because that's what they were being given as responsible for the Tsunami song. And they did blame you for Aaliyah's thing too? They didn't blame me for that. No, no, no. Just Tsunami. Alright. My sister

called Nancy Grace because she's like, I know TV, I know how narratives are painted if there's no one countering that. And Hot 97 is not defending my sister. Nancy Grace said, tell her to call Mel Sachs. He's the best attorney. I hope she has money, but he's the only

one that can fix her. At that time, little Kim was in a little trouble, and her attorney was Mel Sachs. I called Mel Sachs. He had already known. He's deceased since then. He's like, come to my office. I need 50 grand,

and we'll fix this. We get the 50 grand. like come to my office i need 50 grand and i will fix this we get the 50 grand we go to his office kim's coming out of the elevator i'm going in and he goes oh miss jones and miss jones because her real name is kimberly jones yeah i tell him what happened he's like i already know i'm gonna um i can fix this and um i just need your money and um he said you know what's going to happen. First of all, no one's going to want to be on the hook for firing a black pregnant woman. But when they find out that you weren't even on the song.

So we had to tell them that the Tasha that was on the song singing wasn't me. We searched his first name as Tasha. I'm Tasha. I'm Tarsha. She's Tasha. She was the one that was singing, but she was singing it because Rick Delgado told her. Rick hadn't stepped up. Rick could have put all this shit in a smash.

I did this as me. It's my idea. I was trying to keep his job, and I get it, but we all went through hell, so I think at that point, me... And Rick is a white man? He's a white man. Me, Envy, and Tay, because she's on my reunion show, we bonded based on niggas was about to cancel us for real, for real. And the Asians, they don't stop. When they're passionate and they feel like you fucked them around, they don't stop.

They don't stop. They don't stop. They don't stop. So the lawyers My lawyer Mel Talked to John Liu Who was then like the Asian communities person He's the one that gears them up And told him She's not the one Hot 97 realizes that she's not the one

And they're willing to bring her back But we know once they bring her back You are going to have your people boycott And at that point they're going to have to let her go John Liu said I know it wasn't you Alleged All this shit is alleged you are going to have your people boycott and at that point they're going to have to let her go. John Lou said, I know it wasn't you. Alleged. All this shit is alleged, but it's true. I know it wasn't you. I appreciate

you even meeting with me and if you go back to work, you don't have to worry. You don't have to worry. We ain't going. So I went back. It was a Thursday or Friday. It was a very calculated move to have me come back on a Friday. For those of you that don't know, Friday news cycle gets tossed in the garbage.

Because who reads a newspaper Friday on Saturday? So if something happens on Friday, you're on your way to the strip club or the car wash at least, getting a haircut. You ain't reading the paper. So I got on air Friday. I apologized in the early hour because you know niggas ain't listening at 6 o'clock

hour. For the tsunami thing? For the tsunami thing. And then when people started tuning in and hearing me back, of course we got some phone calls, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, but the Asians didn't do their thing and I was able to live to see another day. And you and this info got into it because of that?

We did because I felt like, I felt, which is so hypocritical of me. You did the same thing. I did the same shit with Star. Who the fuck am I? So you got mad at her. I did. You're foul.

I was feeling myself. I was so bitchy. That was so bad. Ms. Info, I'm sorry. I apologize. That's okay. Yeah. I was very, I was out of pocket.

Just so you know, this is a part of our show. It's called Quick Time with Slime We're just going to ask you A quick question Okay And you can pick One or the other But if you pick both You got to take a shot

It's okay It's okay It's okay Are you ready? What's the loss? Alright There's no losing There's no losing

There's no losing Okay I don't know where You can go with this one I think I know You can go with this one Nas or Jay-Z Nas Okay That OK. I don't know where you would go with this one. I think I know where you would go with this one. Nas or Jay-Z?

Nas. OK. That was a dope. Don't know this one. She was quicker than QuickTime. I don't know this one. Cardi or Nicki? Cardi.

Oh. I didn't. I wasn't really. I know where you would go with this one. Mary J. or Toni Braxton? Who? Or Toni Braxton? Mary J. or Toni Braxton? Mary? Or Tony Braxton? Mary Jay or Tony Braxton? Mary.

Mary, what's up? Mary, what's up? All right. 90s hip-hop or 2000 hip-hop? 90s. Damn, you're pretty, you're pretty, this feels okay. Yeah, yeah, 90s.

All right, all right. Drake Champs or Joe Button Podcast? Drake Champs. Queens get the money. And Miami. And Miami. And Miami. All right, I can't lie.

This one, Funk Flex or DJ Clue? Shots. Shots. Okay, so here's the thing. There's a lot of shit in the play right now. All right. With my career. And Flex is very powerful.

But Clue is like Envy's boy boy. And Envy kind of, ah, bold. Let's go to the shot. I was with that. To the shot. I was with that. To the shot. Where's her bottom, Lee? Get her bottom. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah, I'm in. And that's not to the shot. I was with that. To the shot with you. I was with that. To the shot. Where's her bottle, Lee?

Get her bottle. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah, I'm in. And that's not a bad bowl. No, that's not. They both stood the time. That's not. Yeah, yeah.

Thank you. Right. They're different, but we love them both. Don't have you for it, bro. Just so you know, I would have went bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have. Come on, Norah.

You already know. Salud. I love a bowl. Cheers. I love a bowl. All right. Hold on. Where love a bowl. Cheers. I love a bowl. Ah. All right, hold on. Where we at?

All right. All right, this one I think is fairly easy. Podcast or radio? Podcast. Oh, fuck. All right. Wait, you thought I was going to say radio? Yeah, definitely did.

So here's the thing. Radio gives a lot more money faster, but they bind you up like you're a runaway slave. Right. You own what you're doing on podcasts. You own it, and you can be who you are.

Facts. And how you want to do it. And how you want to execute it. Right. Okay. I think we're taking a shot for these next couple of ones. Uh-oh.

All right. DMX or Tupac? DMX. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. I didn't expect that. Yeah. You know why? Foxy or Lilupac? DMX. Okay. Yeah. All right. I didn't expect that. Yeah.

You know why? Foxy or Lil' Kim? I don't think neither one of them fuck with me. Oh. So can I say neither? You still got to take a shot

if you say neither. Oh, fuck. And then I don't want to get into that. I don't want to get into that. I feel like you didn't get it. You got a two part story. Hold on. You want to give her another shot?

By the way, this is the first neither we've ever had. Oh yeah, that's the first. That's the first neither? Really? No, really. I'm taking an extra shot. Just because of neither. Holy shit, I've never heard no one say neither. Yeah, really? Yeah, that's the first neither.

And I have reason. It's just not some random answer. We're going to get into the reason. I know you will. This is a salute. Here we go. Salute to neither. I've never heard neither.

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Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. This is, I think it's fairly easy, but I could be fooled. New York or Philly? Come poor.

I respect that answer. I'm going to take it with me. Because, of course, I'm a New Yorker to the core. Yes. I love the fact that I'm a Queens girl. There's just something special about us motherfuckers. Yes, it is.

I am so proud to be a Queens girl. But when New York let me, like, like you let me have a threesome. What? And I liked it. Whoa. Okay. Salud. Let's take a shot.

Philly gave me so much love. I'm like, what's her a shot. Take a shot. Yeah, Philly gave me so much love. I'm like, what's her name on the shot? OK. Yeah. Y'all ready? You got to get to it. Oh, cheating again. We're watching you.

We're watching. All right, this one, I'm up in the air. Queen Latifah or MC Lyte? Lyte. Mm. That would work. Erykah Badu or Jill Scott? Jilly from Philly. Mm. I would work. There's a story. Eric Abadou or Jill Scott? Jilly from Philly.

Mm. I respect that. Eve or Missy? Neither. That's a shot. That's a shot. You do know. You already established neither.

You make new rules on this right now. You make new rules on this. I guess I can't fuck with it. I'm sorry, sis. I got a drink, because I'm drunk. I'm sorry, sis. I got a drink, because I'm drunk. I'm sorry, sis.

I got a drink, because I'm drunk. I'm sorry, sis. I got a drink, because I'm drunk. I'm sorry, sis. I got a drink, because I'm drunk. I'm sorry, sis. I got a drink, because I'm drunk. I got a drink, though, too. You do know. You already established neither. You make new rules on this right now. You make new rules on this. I guess I can't fuck with it. I'm sorry, sis. I got a drink because I can't fuck with either. I need to get to the either.

Yeah. Listen, I'm not going to lie. I need to get into the neither because I've never had this. I can't do it. I respect that. Okay. All right. All right.

But I like where you're going with this. Yes. All right. Cool. So there are a couple left. There's only a couple left. All right, all right. But I like where you're going with this. Yes, yes, all right, cool. There's only a couple left. There's only a couple left. Up for the questions. Okay.

Kanye or Pharrell? Beautiful. That's Pharrell? All right. Hey. That's definitely Pharrell. Yeah. I'm definitely in? All right. Hey. That's definitely for real. Yeah. I'm definitely in the air with this one.

Puff or Dre? Hmm. Puff. Because even though... You want to know why? Yeah, absolutely. Because even though he jacked my whole shit made me have to work a lot harder you unpacked that one yeah even though i had to work a lot harder and reinvent

myself in radio to become a success at the end of that success diddy did a reality show with me for free wow and that look even though free. Wow. And that look, even though the show didn't happen, that look created another look for me. So I feel like Diddy gave me reparation. Oh, that's fire. That's fire. This makes it more significant.

But any reason not Dre? Is there any specific reason not Dre? I just, Dre was never very, like, warm. Like, Diddy's personality was always like, come on, Jonesy. Right. Come on, Jonesy. How much? That's his personality still right now. Right, he would call personality was always like, come on, Jonesy. That's his personality still right now. He would call up and be like, really? Y'all fucking with me like that?

He's very petty. The petty is real. I'm here for the petty. Yeah, I'm here for the petty. All right. Hot 97 or Power? Take a shot? Oh, Hot 97.

I respect your maturity. I swear to God. I swear to God. I think you're still going to be Petty, Petty Ventura, but no. No, no, no. I'm Petty White because. You're Petty White.

But you know what? You're not Petty, Petty, Petty, Petty. I could be Petty Betty and I could be all those things, but here's what you don't realize. Okay, I want you to realize. Power 105 is Clear Channel that fired me in Philly. So fuck you.

Oh, my bad. She gang ganged on that one. I wasn't ready. And then you fired me because allegedly I said some things about some woman's daycare that cost her her business. And then we find out years later that she lied and went to prison and you never cleared my name. So

I'm not fond of you. Because you never know, there might be an opportunity over there. All good. Hot 97. Okay, this is the last one. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty. Because respect can be premised by...

If someone's loyal to you, they're going to respect you. It don't matter, right? It don't matter what it is. I'm down for what... I'm down for you because I'm down for you. Right.

I'm not respecting you because you've done this or I respect you because you've not done that. I'm loyal whether you're a shitbag or whether you're a rock star. Yeah.

That's respect. So now you're away. Hold up, hold up, hold up. She has a Tupac story. Oh, you want to go there? Really small. Alright. Me and Moni love. Moni love. I love Moni. All I'm saying is, look, me and Moni love. She had beef with Pac a little bit.

Not that night. Okay. She ain't tell me this one. I'm about to call Mooney right now. Yeah, Mooney. Am I saying too much? I need to ask her if it's alright to tell. Alright, I'm not going to tell the story.

Alright, tell some of it. No, I can't. She gave me some Tupac stories. Let's call her then. I'm her brother, just like I'm your brother. Let's go. Just blame it on the it in. I'm her brother. Just like I'm your brother. Let's go. Let's see. I'm going to try to see

if I can get her on the phone. Just blame it on the drink chance. I will. I will. Just blame it on. And just so you know, niggas don't answer my calls when they know I'm

like with people. And he's like, I will never because you're always having me on the mic. So you text me, I hear what it is and then I call you back.

Okay, but let's get into this Tupac story. What happened? It was just, so, so, so, so. It was the Biggie Platinum Party. Remember Biggie had gone platinum? Wow, this is legend. Wait up.

Tupac was at Biggie's Platinum Party. Whoa! Whoa! That's what you start out with? Whoa! Okay, go ahead. Everybody was there. You were told the invitation came to your record label.

You were told Black Tie. This is the first time that niggas was not allowed to have the baggy the Carl Canai. We had Feathers, Boaz, Sequins. This is like

niggas is like wow we going Hollywood. Exactly. This is Black Hollywood. That was Black Hollywood. This is social media being created. Right.

And you got niggas from the West Coast. You created social media a little bit in my mind. Yeah I think I kind of did. I'll take credit for a part of it, at least, because you would hear something on my show. You was like the first Twitter, first Facebook. You was like the first DM.

Like, hitting you on the private line was the DM. Right. By default. I didn't want to be that, but niggas had that one line number, like, Josie, you know, I didn't fuck that bitch. Kick her out the studio. But, so, Pop came, and it was kind of like, and me and Moni were friends at that time,

so we went to the party together. And everybody was at that party. I'm sure you were at that party. I was in jail at the time. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. But I heard about the party. I was in the party.

I definitely heard my feelings. I knew exactly what you were talking about. I was in jail. I'm sorry. I came home later. I'm sorry, Moni. I came home later. It's okay. I'm going to tell you about the party. I definitely heard my feelings. I knew exactly what you were talking about. I just was in jail. I'm sorry. I came home later. I'm sorry, Mony. I came home later. It's okay.

I'm going to tell you about the party. Please tell me about the party. So, Pop came and we're in the crowd. We're walking and it's like

the music stops. Everyone else hears the music but I'm with Mony and he stops and he looks at us and then, so, like,

we just, we know what the look means. And we figure it out. And it was a good day. And that was it. Jalen, I'm sorry. Don't worry about me. I feel like he's used to this.

I forget that he's in here. So Pac and Moni had some relations. Oh, no. It was just. Petty. I love Moni. It's the three of us. It's the three of us just talk for a long time. It's the three of y'all. It's the three of us just talk for a long time.

The three of them talk for a long time. Holy moly, Pac and Moni. I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry, son. I'm sorry. No, I'm catching this going on. He buried me. They was reading sorry, son. I'm so sorry. No, I'm kidding. What the hell is going on? I'm like, he murdered me. Okay, yeah.

They was reading books, man. No, I'm not. I'm not. Reading books? Nacho Libre. Nacho Libre. So, so, so, so, so, so. That's a beautiful day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. With a bow on top. That's a beautiful day. That's a beautiful day. Okay, one time. Okay, that's a beautiful day. Okay, let's move on. So, Wendy Williams tried to murder you.

Where was you at when you got the news? You sitting around. You're getting two ways, because I imagine was you at when you got the news? You sitting around. You're getting two ways because I imagine... You get the news on the murder? Yeah. You got the news, right? Because at that time, it's not... Like it was a hit on you?

Yeah. So, I'm in Aruba. Okay, let's just be clear. Is this after Pac and Big died? Yes. This is in 2008. I know what we're talking about. It's such a slight situation right now, right?

But let's just be clear. After Pac and Big died, this is a very serious thing. It is. To even have this implication, right? So, I'm just asking you. Because niggas are following through on threats. I mean, Pac and Big's examples of this threat

is being delivered. So, you're away and you think it's a joke? Or what is your first thoughts when they say, yo, turn on the TV, sis, because I think someone called you and they say, yo, um...

Cherise from Change of Faces. Okay. My bestie. All right. The phone's ringing. Do you mind if I stroke you up? Oh, my. So, Cherise called you back.

She calls and I'm like, who's calling? Because everyone. Yeah, you're on the phone. We got to break out R. Kelly, too, by the way. Anyway, wait, what? Go back to that. Is that a long conversation, too, with somebody else? It's all a long conversation.

So the phone is ringing, but when people know you on vacation, they're not calling. Right. The phone keeps ringing and ringing and ringing. So I'm like, did somebody die? I pick up the phone. ringing But when people know you on vacation They're not calling The phone keeps ringing and ringing and ringing So I'm like did somebody die I pick up the phone She goes bitch are you alright And I'm like what happened That motherfucking Wendy They trying to fucking put a hit out on you bitch

So she goes turn on the news So I'm in Aruba with my new husband And I see a split screen That reminds me of the tsunami And it's my face but now it's Wendy's face and it says, rival DJ puts Plot's murder hit

on competition. Damn. Who dot? And she was just helping you two songs ago. Prior to Biggie and Pac's you know. Untimely death. Untimely deaths.

Untimely deaths. Undoing, yeah. I would have took it as a joke. After Biggie and Pac's death, I don't think this should be taken lightly. But tell me how you're taking it. So, because I'm out of the country, and I don't know...

Aruba. I didn't know. Goddamn, the facial noise for our floor. Goddamn. Don't think about Aruba. Goddamn, it's a beautiful-ass place, guys. But it's not the place you want to be threatened at. Like, you don't be threatened in Aruba.

You might go missing. Yeah. You don't want to be, like, killed. Not in America. You don't want to have drama in America when you're in Aruba. It could go down in Aruba. You need to get the fuck out of Aruba. Yeah, that's what she's saying.

You could go missing in Aruba. Because of that. She got stupid drama in America. Y'all are bad. OK, go ahead. You're facetious and sarcastic and just going over heads. No, no. We do. Look ahead. You're facetious. I'm sarcastic. I'm just going overhead. Look ahead. You're in a room.

That's the worst place to be. Because I can't get the pulse of if this shit is real or not. Right. And my husband, he's like, at the time, my husband, he's always laid back and cool. He's like, I'll take care of it when we get back. Don't worry, sweetheart. We good. So we get back. But the whole rest of the vacation, I'm like, is this take care of it when we get back. Don't worry, sweetheart. We good. So we get back.

But the whole rest of the vacation, I'm like, is this real? Is this real? And come to find out, it's real. So Envy, once again, Envy to the rescue. Goddamn it, Envy. Envy says. Light-skinned dudes in karate class. We respect you, Envy.

In karate class? In my mind, Envy always go to karate class. In my mind. That's my friend. That's my friend. And why not? I don't know. I just feel like he go to karate class.

It's okay. Him and Joe Biden together. Light-skinned people get together like this. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. My memory serves me well. Envy called when I got back. Wow.

Or we're on the show together, and he goes, by the way, after his whole morning mix, by the way, Jones, Kevin said, don't believe that bullshit. What? Y'all good. No, you don't get to say don't believe that bullshit when Lisa Evers

just did a full, full thing. Who works at Hot 97, by the way. Who works at Hot... By the way. Street Soldiers. By the way. Wow.

Lisa Evers reported on it? And said, I have a 30-page document that if you Google it, it still comes up. Yeah, this is not funny. I know we laughed about it a little bit, but I don't think this is funny. So did you get to the bottom of it?

No, I didn't. So you never spoke to Wendy about it? Because at that time, so this is when the downward spiral of the Miss Jones enterprise began. So My Business relationship with Hot 97 Is coming to an end Which is fine because I was only supposed to be there Three or four years But they asked me to stay an extra year

Because they needed to get Big Boy He wound up taking over Big Boy's my friend I speak to him We hated New York radio at that time When we listened to Big Boy Giving traffic about La Cienega We did not like La Cienega.

We did not like La Cienega. Yeah, California stuff. Like California traffic. I'm sorry. And I speak to Big Boy. Look, I will literally show you the pages right now. Yeah. We're literally speaking right now.

But when he took over and he was giving, it wasn't that he took over. He was giving us the same show that he was giving to California. You can't be mad at him, though. That's corporate shit. No, I'm mad at him because he should have Because he's the face of it. He should giving us the same show that he was giving to California. You can't be mad at him, though. That's corporate shit. No, I'm mad at him.

He should have knew better. Give New York their own show. Steve Harvey, nigga, you better start giving New York New York while I'm coming for that job. Right, right, right. Oh, this is so great. So they asked me to stay an extra year while they could get him all the way together.

I don't have a problem. See, everybody thinks I got fired from Hot 97. He came with your podcast and said that's not true. Right. I gave them an extra year because I was syndicated in Philly and New York didn't know. So when y'all was listening to me, when Wendy put the hit and all that stuff,

I was already on Philly. They wanted me to come back. So I'm like, I just go 95 South rather than go 95 North to New York. Let me just stop you for a second. Is there any point where you just really thought that that was real, though? I feel like she thinks it's real. I was going through so much internal turmoil within my marriage and the station in Philly that I was about to be driving 95 South to. That I couldn't even I couldn't even be present to it because I'm trying to secure my bag.

The article says rival rated pulls out hit. I'm like, that's why people shit. Like, do we even do that? And so when Envy say I saw Kevin in the club this weekend and he said don't worry about it. It's all good. They not trying to kill you. I'm like Kevin is Wendy's. Well Kevin is Wendy's ex-husband. I'm like okay. Okay. Like don't worry about it like we took the hit off.

Right. Right. Right. Like they're not coming tonight. So and then my ex-husband was like I got you. And he was somewhat in the street. So when he said I got you I'm like okay I got you. And he was somewhat in the street. So when he said, I got you, I'm like, okay, he got me. They're going to figure, whatever it was. But again, my life, I was transitioning out of New York radio.

So I really didn't give a fuck all that much. And at the end of the day, ain't nobody coming that close to me, even without my husband. That's not going to get some pushback. Like, I'm not no fucking roll over. How was it? Because at one point, I apologize was fine but it was you Angie Steph lover and Wendy all at the same station was that one time or bugging I think Steph wasn't there every time were you and you're right no you're right there was those four yeah and arguably what turns out to be that's like the most powerful for women in radio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I actually have a t-shirt inspired by Redman's t-shirt that says, it goes Jonesy, Wendy, and Angie. Wow. That's it. No more names. That got deep.

No more names. I might put Ye on there, but... But was there a specific reason why she would put a hit out on you that you know, okay, this is why? So I think it was Kevin. I think it was her husband, Kevin. Because again,

Wendy's the one that called me to tell me how to get a job in Philly. She made the calls to me. That's why it doesn't make sense. But it makes all the sense in the world when your husband is controlling and dominating and telling you, Wendy, don't be

friends with Jonesy. She wants to be what you want to be. Bishop, you want to protect his little empire. He was trying to protect his, you know what I mean? His empire. We see where he is now and it ain't with Wendy, but he was manipulating, in my opinion, he was manipulating her Because she was the one that had the power You know And she So Again I was so removed Because I'm like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

But I'm not even going to be in New York much longer Because y'all niggas don't know I'm leaving Big boy's coming I'm out of here I'm back in Philly So I didn't really I didn't care like that

But was it any time It was like Yo, because you know At the end of the day I'm out of here. I'm back in Philly. So I didn't really, I didn't care like that. But was it any time that it was like, yo, because you know, at the end of the day, let me be careful with how I say. That's serious allegations.

That's like serious shit. At one point, a lot of people were, you know, Winnie's husband was a different type of character. Yeah, yeah.

So was it any point where you felt like that was like time to protect your life, time to prove your life? Never. I'm from Queens, nigga. Come on now. I could have called you.

Come on. I could have called. We from Queens. I don't know that even Kevin was really outside. But I know Southside be outside. I never felt threatened. For the record. Right.

What happened is, and because I was so sidetracked with the other shit, like, you know, like, it was bigger shit. When we circled back, when I circled back to, so for all those years, I never reached out to Wendy personally to say, bitch, why you trying to kill me or nothing like that. I was home. I stepped back after Clear Channel, Power 105, but it was Power 99 in Philly fired me. I said,

I've had enough. For Cosmic Cab and QDZ? Yeah, bitch, shout out to them. I had had enough. I'm tired of fighting ex-husbands.

I'm tired of fighting radio stations because I had to sue them. I had to sue Radio 1, which is TV 1, by the way. Whoa. And so when you feel like you're a married woman and you're fighting corporations and you don't have the support in your marriage, you don't have the support in your family. I had to tap out.

I had left. And I left and I put all that shit into... Nigga, get off your phone. I'm praising you And I put all that shit Into Nigga get off your phone I'm praising you I put all that shit into And we saw it bro Into just

They was just reading books bro Yeah That's it Sorry That's it So I put all that And believe me It was a struggle

Cause I'm like No I'm gonna do And I actually did When I left I started my own Online station It was a 24 hour I'm like, no, I'm going to do. And I actually did. When I left, I started my own online station. It was a 24-hour station. I was doing mornings. I was doing sales.

I was doing marketing. I was doing everything. Right. And then Hurricane Sandy happened. In New York, man. It was in Jersey. We were on Jersey Shore. Oh, y'all got fucked.

Wrecked up. Fucked up New York. All the way. Jersey Shore, Rockaway, anybody near a beach. Destroyed all of my equipment, all of my investment, all everything. And at that point, I said, God must be trying to tell me, sit your ass down and just raise your kids. Stop trying to be on the radio. Oh, I miss Jones.

And put it in perspective because I can't outdo a hurricane. So that changed me. Like I was I've had to tap into something else and not move with an ego, because a lot of times artists and people in the public eye was the destruction of everything. It's the destruction. But we are conditioned, if we don't care about our appearance. No, you need the ego to be in the entertainment business. You need it. But it's the- You got to control it.

And it's hard because you don't know when enough is enough. Right. Or when not enough could have been more or should have been more. I could have got that part if I had just put my titties up a little more. Right. So- I wasn't ready. I'm sorry. I'll take a piece of bread. Yeah, I got more. Right. So. I wasn't ready.

I'm sorry. I'll take a peasy break. Yeah, I got it. I got it. I got questions. I'm looking at my cheat notes. So I checked out. So for the last 13 years, I was home.

No parts of any industry and no parts of any anything. and I have also an illness that some people paid attention to throughout the years it's called amelial blastoma and it's an aggressive tumor and mine happens to be in my jaw so if you notice I'm a little puffier on this side and I'm a little twisty it's because the tumor I've been fighting since I was 13, when I was told, you'll never have a career in singing because your jaw won't allow it. The strength of your jaw is weak. You'll never have a career in radio because that requires talking all the time.

I fought through it, but it kind of took me down. And I had to have like three more surgeries after I left radio. It was a lot, Nori. I went through a lot personally. We didn't know none of that. It was a lot, Nori. I went through a lot personally. We didn't know none of that. It was a lot. And it was a lot.

And it wasn't all good. Like, it was dark. Wow. And you living in Philly this time? So I'm between, I got smart because I got tired of selling houses and trying to get, so I'm halfway between both.

Why? Yeah, it was a lot., yeah it was a lot. Oh. It was a lot. God damn. But the beauty of it is, you know that energy that's naturally built inside of us artists? Uh huh. When we can't put it here in a song, or we can't do a podcast or a radio show, maybe

we put it into our kids. And my son goes to like the number one prep boarding school in the world. Goddamn. And he's a

three-sport scholar athlete. He's varsity football, varsity wrestling, varsity discus. Goddamn. I don't know what discus is.

He throws some shit. He's throwing shit. Like he's throwing stuff. You're growing up better than me. I don't know what the fuck discus is. I'm 43 years old. It's just like one of're growing up better than me. I don't know what the fuck this is. I'm 43 years old. It's just like the other drawing

comes from the child. You throw it? Yeah. I have no chocolate, so. But you hear how he talks? I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He talks.

I like that. I like that. You ain't from Astoria, God damn it. I love that. I love that. Far from it. So I put it into him

and my other son. Right. And I'm pleased with the result. And y'all watch Power. What's the son's name that goes to Cho? That's the one that killed people. Yeah, yeah. The son.

What's his name? The son in Power. Tariq. Tariq. Not Tariq. Tariq. He could have been Tariq, you say. Well, Tariq, the boarding school that he goes to.

It's like business. The same. Tariq is a killer though, right? Probably him too. Yo, so what's that? We can't see you to college. They kill people. You got to kill people.

I'm bugging with you. I'm bugging with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. So I put that into my kids. Right. And he's great. And my younger son's about to be off to the same situation. Wow.

And so now I have both arms swinging free. Wow. And I'm like, let's go. Wow. God damn it. Well, congratulations to you. Hold on. Hold on.

I got a couple more. I got a couple more. I got a couple more. I got cheat sheets right here. OK. No, it's good. It got a couple more. I got a couple more. I got cheat sheets right here. No, it's good. It's good. Okay.

All right. Damn. This is, this is, all right. I got to ask this. It said recently you were detained for threatening one of your

kids' classmates. What? That's reading now? What am I walking into? It's out in the thing? Tell me what it says please.

That's new shit. You started talking about this in your podcast. Oh, okay. I thought it was on the blog. I'm like, ooh. No, no, please. That's new shit. You started talking about this in your podcast. Oh, okay. I thought it was on the blog. I'm like, ooh. You put it out there. Okay, okay, good. Because COVID happened and now I can't go back into court.

But I got lawyers and stuff. So, his brother... Okay. You see him shaking his head? Not you, not you. So, his brother. Little brother? He's 12, but he runs with a total different crowd of people that he runs with.

And so I'm not aware what's going on. I just get a call on my phone or a text. You're a fucking bad mother. Your fucking son is fucking terrorizing us. You need to fucking kill yourself. You're fucking. Who the fuck is texting you that? Who? fucking terrorizing us. You need to fucking kill yourself. You're fucking... Who the fuck is texting you that? Who?

My other son's enemy. Your other son's enemy. He's a 12-year-old kid? It's a 12-year-old... No, it was an 11-year-old girl. Oh. But I'm in bed watching Power, and I'm like,

who want to smoke? I didn't realize it was a 12-year-old, and I fucking go all the way in, and I'm like, who want to smoke? Like, I didn't realize it was a 12 year old and I fucking go all the way in and I'm like, bitch, you can get whatever you need. I'm gonna give a fuck if it's a nine. You gotta take that. And so her mom. You think this is Karen?

Right. You think this is Karen coming at you? All right, cool. So then her mom was like, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh. But I called the mom and I was like, your daughter's out of control Cause she shouldn't be Texting an adult

Absolutely Shay always needs his ass beat Right So I own that But what I thought We were good She goes and files A police report

And says she She threatened to take My daughter over her knee So now It's not just a case of me A terroristic threat But it's not just a case of me a terroristic threat but it's her daughter against my son but she didn't realize

that her daughter texted him and said I will fucking murder you with my bare fucking hands so I told him screenshot or maybe I told you screenshot it for your brother I called him at boarding school I'm sorry Jalen I fail you cause he had nothing to do with it he's trying to study I called him at boarding school. I'm sorry, Jalen. I fail you.

Because he had nothing to do with it. He's trying to study. And so he, but I don't know how to do technology. So he saved it. When we got before the judge, we showed the judge. He's like, oh, he's in the good. The little bitch is in the bad. And mom, you're old school.

I get it. But you still got to show up at court. And then COVID happened. So court hasn't happened. But here's the thing. I'm old school, and I will fuck you up for my kids. This is positive energy. It's called Creed. This is positive energy.

Oh, that smells good. Yeah, yeah. It's like, what is it called? Sage. It's my version of sage. Oh. Yeah, keep going, sis. I do sage when your dad leaves.

No, I'm kidding. This is nice. But the thing is, we live in the suburbs, but I can't change who I am. And I don't care if my son is bad. He's bad, but he don't deserve... I feel like some

people just take our brown boys, they're so fast to take them to the system. Like, they're so fast to take them to the system. Like they're still kids first. Don't look at them like they're just, oh, those are the... Right, they don't get the benefit of the doubt. They don't get the benefit of the doubt of being a kid. So I

pushed back and fought back and I'd do it all again if I had to. So at one point you and Funk Flex did Bump Heads, right? When Remy was beefing with Fat Joe. Boom! I don't know, should I go further? Should I go further?

Absolutely. Don't stop now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I had no idea. Oh, I had no idea. Can you break that down for me? So for the record, I love Fat Joe because had it not been for Fat Joe,

I would have not been on Puns Record. Classic record. Let's stand up and say that. And I love Joey, because even when we, like, he's just a, you know, you can have a conversation. Of course, he's my brother. Right. So what happened? Just break it down for us.

Him and Remy were in something. Remy is my bitch. Listen. Right. Listen. Listen. And Remy, like, she was oftentimes women in the industry do not get supported

by our brothers. And this was an incident that might have been a difference of opinion or a money thing or whatever it was. It was a miscommunication. A miscommunication.

They worked it out later. But again, Flex has all the power at the radio station in nights. But at this time, tell me exactly what was it that happened?

I don't know what the beef was, but I know that when you beef with Flex and Flex owns the night, you got to come in the morning because I'm the black sheep. So Remy came to you. And Remy started talking that. You know Remy. I remember the situation. I don't remember the exact content, right? So was this the first time that Remy said something that she was displeased about Fat Joe?

Or was this the first time on your show? Because they used to always... Everybody drops shit on my show. Okay. And then I deal with the fallout later. Describe to us what happened. She was pissed off. And she's not refined Remy as we see her now.

She was like, no, fuck that. He's trying to do this. He's not doing that. Where's my this and where's my that? And you're supposed to be Fat Joe. And it was ugly. It was big. It was bad.

And it was on morning radio. Right. Morning radio is the top watch, listen to. I tell people this all the time. If you don't want shit to get back, don't bring it to morning radio. Don't bring it to morning radio. But back then, you know, I rock niggas to sleep and make you feel comfortable. And Remy was my friend, so I didn't have to rock her.

I just said, bitch, come tell your story. Right. But Fat Joe is going to Flex. And Flex is also, he's the king of nights. So it becomes a battle, and I'm not backing down. Right. So ultimately, you know, you think Flex had me, had me let go early at Hot 97? Is that what you're saying?

You just had enough. I'm asking because... Get their shots. Thank you, Lori. No, I'm asking. That fucking Flex. He's the reason. Okay, so here's the thing.

No, because I'm asking. At one point, you and Flex really did guard each other. But I did not really. I didn't just put two and two together. But you just put... I'm with you on another shot, too. Where you at?

Oh, obviously. Yeah, I'm with that. I'm with that. Well, hold on. Is that what you think happened? Yeah, yeah. Because when I was leaving high, even though... Yeah, yeah.

Pour the shot. It's right here. It's right here, Sonny. We got Mr. Sonny now. Yeah. Sonny D. I like Sonny D. Mr. D.

Thank you, I appreciate you. It's odd because on my leaving of Hot 97... I want you to look at his arms. I want you to do that with wine, brother. All right. All right, cool. So is Jalen. So is my son Jalen.

He's French? And he speaks it, yeah. Yes, He's French? And he speaks it. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. And he speaks it with his grandma. Like he's from birth. Oh, shit. You just gas, son.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck up. You just activated Sonny. And him and his grandmother have conversations. I don't know what's happening. That is the wrong thing to tell Sonny's parents. Really? She just does everything he should.

Oh, you done it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's him. Thank you, Mr. Sonny. Yeah. All right, what were we talking about? What were we talking about?

So upon my leaving... Oh. I'm sorry. It was your idea to take the shots. Yes, it was. That's why I was. I didn't drink nothing on the plane. Good.

That's good. The bitch next to me ordered Zinfandel, right? And then she looked at me like I was going to judge. Bitch, I'm not judging. You're like, I'm just saving. Good. That's good. The bitch next to me ordered Zinfandel, right? And then she looked at me like I was going to judge. Bitch, I'm not judging. Let's project that. You're like, I'm going to drink champs.

Right. I'm just saving for drink champs. So I was, I knew when I left hot, I was going to be in Philly. I was good. Right. BET started meeting with me

before my departure. Reginald Hudlin. Okay. He was like, we would love to do a show with you. I said, I'm leaving HOT. We don't care. We want to film the departure.

I said, okay, here's what you don't know. I'm pregnant. That's a bonus. Wow. We love babies. Can we come into the delivery room and document? And I'm like, I don't even want my husband there. Of course you can come.

So they start coming up to Hot 97 The last few weeks of me being on there And the rumor is That maybe Flex Talked to Ebro and said It may not be a great idea For the company To be doing this

When she's about to leave And I get it I get it About to leave and you're pregnant Okay So That's the only thing That I ever could feel That maybe Flex said I get it. I get it. You about to leave and you pregnant? Okay. So that's the only thing that I ever could feel that maybe Flex did because other than that, he was always a supporter.

He always has great advice. And he's always like- But Flex is my brother and I love him, but Flex is a company man. He's going down with the ship. Yeah. He said that he doesn't care. He'll take less money at Hot 97 to stay at Hot 97. Wow.

Just to be that loyal to you. And look, he's weathered the storm. He's still working after all these years. My ass, I've been fire what? Fire, hire, bring her back, bring her back, fire her, fire her, bring her back. So, obviously, there's something to that. Right. What do you think when Angie left?

Because Angie and Flex, they were like the two staples of Hot 97. I think that had it not been for Envy leaving, Angie might still be at Hot. Whoa. Because Envy leaving and making it work? Because it's not like Envy just left. Envy left and made it work and showed the possibility. Envy saw the painting on the canvas when it was blank. A lot of people, they want, they believe it could be better on the other side, but they're not quite ready to take that move.

Right. Envy's a risk taker. He took the move. And the other side is, Ebro wasn't willing to give Envy what he knew he deserved. Right. Now, Envy had all that money from that lawsuit from Star. Damn you good. Queens get the money

normally. Damn you good. That's exactly what I'm about to say. Like alright cool. Let's just be clear. It was a bad joke again on the morning show's behalf. I don't want to repeat what allegedly happened. Well it started with me. Okay, no.

So Star started talking about you, Jalen, being a bastard child and then Power was running commercials all weekend about how this whore had this bastard child and he was asking people

at the hospital you were born in to send our medical records. Man, we're sorry, man. To prove that. We're sorry again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need a shot for sorrow. Let's do it.

Let's do it. I need a sorrow shot. I wasn't ready for this. Come on. That was a lot of sorrow. He's acing. He's acing. I'm doing my soap.

I got it. I got the shot. Wait, wait. Because we got way too deep. All right. No, no. We got. Keep going. It was bad. He was calling him a bastard. I got the shot. Wait, wait, because we got way too deep. No, no, we got... It was bad. He was calling him a bastard. You got your shot?

Oh, no, no. I'm right. I did a heavy pour. Wait a minute. Look, I did a heavy pour. Okay, that's cool. Can I do it in two instead of one? Yes, okay. Okay.

Oh, man, my shit. Holy shit, because I didn't know it was going to get... Wait a minute, wait a minute. I didn't know it was going to get that deep. Because it's a lot, and again, you're told, don't talk about that on the air. Let it go and don't know it was Cause it's so Cause it's a lot And again You're told Don't talk about that on the air Let it go And don't

Okay So he Had commercials And promos Wait I like As if I need Alright

I like So he had commercials Saying what About your son That's crazy About me being a Like a whore having a child

out of wedlock and that he's down syndrome and to send the people at the hospital where he was born, please send the medical records

and I'll give you money. No. I'll say allegedly because you have to nowadays. Y'all radio people, I think, I think hip hop beefs is nothing compared to this shit.

Yeah, I think we learned it from radio. Like rappers beefing with rappers? Yeah, I think we learned it from radio Like rappers beefing with rappers I mean I totally go To the streets I would have This shit is wild man

I would have no idea Like The way you just broke that down I had no idea I believe There was a murder hit on you Now I believe it I believe it

Not so much before No Now I believe it Because this shit is getting deep man Talking about family Doing commercials It was a lot. And so the whole weekend,

like, so remember I told you about the news cycle on Friday. Right. No one's reading, so no one's, everyone's hearing, but no one's like calling and complaining

because people, advertisers that would, they're on their yachts. Right. So this story comes out. The star is coming out with this and then... Wait, wait, wait, wait.

I'm sorry. No, it's okay. There's something you said that just resonated with me. It's the advertisers that are not going to hear it. It's not necessarily the listeners. It's the advertisers. So they're playing promos over the weekend. I didn't catch that at first. But you caught it now. You get the play.

And so the commercials are playing. They're playing all weekend. And people are barbecuing and they're hearing these promos because everyone's tuned in to Power and Hot and Hot and Power

and he's saying he's saying that my son is down syndrome which even if he were it's still like a kid like don't be talking about kids they didn't ask to be

and this is after he did the everything or this is before this is before this is what started it alright so he basically got away with this this is the this is after he did the Envy thing? Or this is before? This is before. This is what started it. All right, so he basically got away with this. This is the reason why he kept going with Envy? Is that what we're saying?

Well, Envy, after that weekend, Envy heard it and came in, once again, to my defense. Right. And was like, how dare he talk about Jalen and you like that and the station run commercials and promos. Fuck that nigga. That was Power 105 who's doing that and Envy's at hot. Y'all both at hot. Envy's at hot still.

Envy defended me. This is such an ill story. Like this is, so you and Envy is at Hot 97. And Star is kicking my back and my son's back and calling him a Down Syndrome. That's like Krypton Blood shit. Yeah! I was a blood and didn't know it.

Or a crypt and didn't care. You're banging on the air. It's real shit. It was going down, but because, again, but because radio was, the beast was bigger than even hip-hop beats, I'm just going,

going, going. So Envy's like, why isn't Jalen's dad saying something I'm like well I had a meeting with him and the uncles And they feel that me ignoring him Is the best thing to do Envy goes fuck that He goes on the mic the next break And breaks Star down

Star now Has his ammunition Cause all along Ebro had been telling me and Envy, don't respond. Star is just trying to get a reaction. Don't do it. Envy said, fuck you. Somebody needs to stand up for Jones. Envy goes in.

Star goes back. Envy goes back. So now it's bigger than meeting No Brown. What? And they're going Back and forth With each other And Star went Further than he should have gone

And said something About Envy's daughter Wiping her ass With mayonnaise And taking a bite Out of it Allegedly And

But But Because we had gone Through a tsunami And Envy's wife Has Is of Asian descent We knew the tsunami and Envy's wife is of Asian descent, we knew the play.

So Envy went to the same man or had his wife go to the same man, John Lou, and said, look at this man and what he's saying about my kids. Their mother's Asian. Like,

if you gonna fight us for tsunami, bitch, stand up the same way. And he did. And Star had to get fired. And Envy got, like, millions and millions of dollars. And sorry, Jalen. Your dad made a bad call. Could have been us.

Yeah, we've been saying sorry over here. It's all right. We coming back now, right? The comeback. Comeback. We coming back. We coming back. We back.

We back. And so that's what happened. That's what fueled that whole Envy and Star. And people think, oh, Envy's a snitch. You're not a snitch when you're protecting

your children because there are a lot of crazies out here that will hear someone say something and it's a clarion call to let me go and shoot his daughter

or let me go and white mayonnaise between her ass and all those things. So Envy, he did, I feel, the responsible thing. And after that, Star got fired from Power 105. And then soon thereafter, I think I left. And then Envy wound up where he wound up.

But then he wound up at Power. And I don't even know how we got here. But that's what happened At what point Do you guys all feel that Or do you ever feel That y'all are just Pawns in these

Corporate people's game Never Cause the money's so good Because y'all just fighting Their fight I ain't gonna lie I love that answer I ain't gonna lie

I love that answer It's understood, though. The fight is, they're just, these corporations are vying for advertisement, and then you guys are taking it to the streets. Well, to the point of us not getting corporate money like the corporate is, we were minding our business having our kids.

You're the one calling them autistic and down syndrome like you're saying though they're hosts right right what i'm trying to say like why are they going that low why y'all have to respond like at the end of the day these companies and and the company nobody's saying nothing about the executive dude at the top right and his kids right because you know that would be shut down right so that they probably knew this oh this is great ratings oh this is great but we're caught up in emotion you know what i mean like we're protecting our image or our children or our kids future we don't want them like you you protect your kids right and you're not thinking of oh but this is really a ploy

by corporate. Well, you can't at that point. I'm just saying, before you get to that point, like why is everybody even allowing it to get to that point? That's a good point. I think we need another shot. I've been. I've been. Peter Rosenberg.

We had Peter Rosenberg. Peter Rosenberg. Ask me, Ask me. Ask me. What? You read books with him too? No. I saw him on y'all's show.

Y'all was like, oh really? He said, he said that, you know, he felt like you didn't like him. You felt like, he said he was an implant for Ebro. And he admitted to it. He admitted to that shit. He said without knowing he was an implant for Ebro. And he admitted to it. He admitted to that shit. He said without knowing, he was. Bitch, you knew you wanted to be on air. If nothing else, you knew you wanted to be on the morning show.

But I'm from Queens and I knew you wanted to be on the morning show. He's like the writer saying, we're just writers. Right. You knew the end play. I saw the play. I saw the play. I saw the play. I'm not new. Who wouldn't want it?

And so Ebro brought him. You say he's a little whip and whip it? What'd you say? I said, who wouldn't want it? Oh, who wouldn't want it? Who wouldn't want the morning show? Okay, yeah. That's very true.

And so when Ebro brought him to my attention, I asked Ebro, what's his background? Because again, it's all business. I want to win So whoever you bring in Short of them Doing a Tsunami song I'm here for it

When he brought him in And I interviewed him His credentials Didn't necessarily Match up with The position Cause he was making like College

Do-overs Like what is it called Parodies Parodies He was doing college Because he was making like college do-overs. Like what is it called? Parodies. Parodies. He was doing college parodies. Right. And I'm at a point in my, because by this time our show has been on for at least two or three years.

I need next level. Parodies got me in trouble. Right. So as I'm talking to him and I'm interviewing him, and of course there's a raised eyebrow. So after Tsunami, let me just explain that me, Envy, and Tay had become like this because we realized we couldn't trust. But now Ebro was hired. Is Ebro hired after that? Ebro had been hired.

When Tsunami happened. But he was like the MD. I used to play pool with him all the time. He was like the MD. Great guy. Still a great guy. He's the director. In my opinion. In my opinion. I have no bad stories about Ebro. I mean... Right, no. Ebro is like cool. He's a good dude.

To me too. No, he's good. So by the time he's the MD... He's the MD. Actually, no. Yeah, he's the MD. And John Demick is the PD. OK, so he comes. So he comes because the tsunami, the tsunami that rocked my a lot of shit going on so you guys forget about all the bad things that were attached to us before. Right. Corporate comes to him and says, you can't be PD or MD and be on The Morning Show. Make a decision.

All right, so let me just ask you something. He's coming from California. When he came, I was in Philly. Tracy did that. No, but I'm asking, was he on a station in California? Yeah, he was in something in the Bay Area. And still being the MD and still being the PD? No, no, no.

No, he been quit that. When Tracy called him to come to New York, he was done with that. Okay. He was in the office at Hot 97, but he stepped up when they wanted us off the air for Tsunami. So is that weird? Because, you know, this is the, like, Tracy Clarity did do that.

These other PDs did do that. Is that weird? I'm sorry, am I asking? No, you're not. I'm not asking, like, too much of the good questions. I'm sorry, like, because I see your face. Because it's totally weird. It's weird. That your program director becomes much of the good questions. I'm sorry. Because I see your face. Because it's totally weird. It's weird.

That your program director becomes part of your morning show. This is exactly what Sugar Knight was talking about. If you come to us, you know, you're Pete. All up in the videos. All up in the morning shows. All up in the morning shows. But at that point, we were so desperate and concerned about salvaging our show. And we knew that Ebro had done radio in the sack that we're like, we just need competent bodies.

For people who don't know, Sacramento. Sacramento, sorry. That's okay. I'm sorry. Yes, yes. He had done successful radio in Sacramento, so we just needed competent bodies in the room that we could trust to keep the engine moving forward. But it came a point where corporate came to him and said, you're great in mornings and you're great as a program director, but you need to pick a side, nigga. What you want to do?

So he said to me, it's up to Miss Jones. And I said, I wonder if this is bad. I wonder if things would have been different had I not said this. I wonder what you're about to say. He said it's up to Ms. Jones. You want me on your show, or you want me to go back to the office?

Okay, let's just be clear. This is a very big moment. But you're about to answer, so I want you to... We say in Spanish, because I want you to be clear. You're saying that there was a time where Evo had a chance to go back behind the desk or be in front of the microphone. The microphone.

And he said, it depends on... It's up to Miss Jones, whatever she wants. And what did you say? You're more useful to me in the back office so I can know what the white boys are thinking. But had Ebro told me his sincere intention or desire to do radio. What do you think his sincere intention and desire? Well, he brought in Rosenberg and we saw that play.

It's the let me throw you off a big boy and I'll put Rosenberg with Cypher because I know that's going to fail. And then I'll slide in. It'll be me and Rosenberg. And that's where they are now. But had he told me. But sometimes men don't want to admit to women a sense of power over.

Do you know? No. You're going to go over my head. So, if I'm a woman and I have maybe part of your fate in my hands, that's like a play that you kind of have no control in. Women tend to be sometimes

emotional, Jonesy even more. So I'm not sure he felt comfortable telling me that he really wanted to do morning radio alongside me, or maybe he just wanted to take it over. But the point is, he brought Rosenberg in

under the guise of being a producer for me when all along... Same way as R Van Winkle. What's the new name? Opie, what's the name? Opie and Anthony. Rip Van Winkle? Hold on.

I thought about the drink. I thought about the drink. I'm in this motherfucker, yo. Rip Van Winkle. She ain't go to sleep. Rip Van Winkle. What was his name? Rick Delgado.

No, but Rick Delgado. Opie and Anthony. Opie and Anthony. All right, so he brought in... He brought in... Rosenberg. Rosenberg. As the spy.

Well, even if he wasn't going to be utilized as the spy, he damn sure wasn't going to be producer. Well, that's what Rosenberg admitted to that. Yeah, Rosenberg said that.

He admitted to that. But that's how they... He's like, Miss Jones read me. He did. He picked you up, though. No, I saw him. He picked you up. You fuck., yeah, yeah. But that's how they... He's like, Miss Jones read me. He did. He picked you up, though. No, I saw him. I said...

He picked you up. You fuck. Thank you, Peter. Me and Wendy never wanted to like you, by the way, but you have integrity. All right. But I saw the play. Right.

I'm from Queens, you know? So I knew you don't have producer credit Right Ebro is the only one Co-signing you Ebro's the only one That knows you And here you go

If Ebro had said That I have If Ebro had just told me He wanted to do mornings Nigga come on You rolled with us During Tsunami Come on you saved me

Come on But he was like Oh it's up to Miss Jones So here I go. Well, nigga, I need somebody in the back office to tell me what's going on. Now, do you think that play, when he actually picked you, you picked him in the back office, was that something that he was like, oh, damn, Miss Jones. I didn't pick him.

I thought you said you had a choice. You had a choice. Oh, at that point. Oh, well, I don't know. What do you think? I'm. Well, I don't know. What do you think? I'm asking you. I don't know. And you were doing whatever he might have been doing with Rosenberg, in all honesty.

But what should I have done? I don't know how to better have played that. Because I'm feeling like me and Ebro were cool. Like, Ebro knows. Like, he knows where the bodies are buried with me. So if you're feeling that you want to do more than this, nigga, tell me. Because they asked, corporate wants me to give them an answer. He's like, no, it's completely

your decision. He's the MD at the time. Actually, he's the PD at the time. He's the PD and he still has... And I didn't feel ever like he was my PD. I always felt like Ibra always made me feel like we were like creative equals. Peers.

Right. So I'm feeling like he would have told me, because I used to tell him stuff. Nigga, I need that billboard. Or, you know, can I get this? So I figured he would have told me if he really wanted to land on mornings. Right. But he never did. He never did. And so I'm seeing Rosenberg.

Fuck you are. Coming out of nowhere. Bitch, please. You ain't getting. I'm from Queens. Look, I'm from Queens, nigga. No, fuck you are. Coming out of nowhere. Bitch, please. You ain't get... I'm from Queens. Look, I'm from Queens, nigga. No, bye. So...

Emporic. What'd you say? Emporic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Over there. Exactly. Until you get to here. Can I pour another drink?

A shot? Please do. Do whatever you want. Finish the one you got, bitch. Pour him another drink. This is the one... You want to talk to yourself, too, but... This is the one. You want to talk to yourself too, but you're not!

This is your show, Jones. No, you're helping me figure out my life. No, this is beautiful. You are figuring it out on your own. You just talked to yourself, and it's amazing. My therapist said I'd be having a lot of shit in my head. I just need to sort it out. So can I come here like once a month on your couch?

Yes, yes you can. Absolutely. Let me just take your calls. Let's do it. All the people you put on. I got I come here like once a month on your couch? Yes, you can. Absolutely. You can be our co-host. Let's do it. All the people you put on. I got a note on this shit. Hold on. I love it.

I'm trying to get checks out of them niggas. Hold on, yeah. Hold on. Who you holding on for? Ebro, why you didn't tell me, Ebro? In the meantime. I could have got you

a producer way better than Rosenberg. Let me tell you in the meantime. Hold on, hold on. In the meantime, I have like three different numbers on Monie Love, right? So the one I decided to text,

FaceTime on drinks channel with Miss Jones. Cool. We talking about Tupac stories. Wrong number, motherfucker. We will never, because we will never. That's one of those things. We leave it alone tonight too.

She gave Rosenberg, Donnell Rollins, Stephen A. Smith, Mike Shawn, Todd Lynn, Ebro, and all a shot at it. And all them motherfuckers is working,

and I'm trying to get back in. They all owe you, goddamn. You let the mafia boss. They got to come. They got to come and pay homage. They got to come and pay homage. But, whoa. All right, all right.

We spoke about Stephen A. Smith. Donnell Rollins. You worked with Donnell before he met Chappelle? Mm. Or did he meet Chappelle, and he just wasn't lit? And he just came. How the fuck you met Donnell Rollins. You worked with Donnell before he met Chappelle? Or did he meet Chappelle and he just wasn't lit? He just came. How the fuck he met Donnell Rollins? I don't know. I think he wasn't

Ashley Larry then. Yeah, I don't think Ashley Larry. I don't think he had been Ashley Larry then. I don't think so neither. No. And so, Donnell has a... So I love comedy. I love laughing. I love... But Donnell has a very specific and direct sort of comedy. And it didn't always translate on radio.

And morning radio more specifically. Because just like late night talk is different than the view and the talk and all those. You have to, I can't describe it, but there's just a certain element. You have to know what works for that day part. And so Donnell, as talented as he might have been for maybe a nighttime show,

I just didn't feel like it always showed up for mornings. And then he would get upset. He would get mad. And me and Envy would take bets showed up for mornings. And then he would get upset. He would get mad. And me and Envy would take bets about whether or not he could read copies without making mistakes. And that didn't help. Donnell got beef at the breakfast club to this day.

Does he? Is it serious? It's not serious. I think it didn't start from you guys. No, because Angela Yee is like partners with him. Right, but Angela's, I think, the one excluded from the beef. No, he got Angela Yee a little bit.

Okay, continue. You said Donnell, you went into the interview, was the first person to put Donnell on. Continue, talk about that. And so, like, he would come, he would show up to work, and like,

we'd try to let him do his thing in the confines of we still got to do a show. It's not like a one-man stand-up. He would get upset. He would get really, like, upset, upset, like, just in between breaks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very emotional, but very talented. And most artists are emotional. So I got it, but nigga, it's a four-hour show.

Let's just get the fucking white people's checks. Why are we going all out? What the fuck? And so he looked at it as maybe a woman telling him what he should be doing as opposed to what he was doing. Or Jonesy, who the fuck is she? She's like, I don't know. All I know, all's I know is that day he did something

and it wound up melting down and Ebro couldn't fix it and Envy, who's the fixer, he's like the Olivia Pope of radio, couldn't fix it. He walked off the show and that was it. And I was like, good riddance now in hindsight great talent never said anything personally bad to me or offensive to my family it just didn't work for what we would we were already under the thing of tsunami we were trying to build back we were trying to prove ourselves And I can't have somebody fighting with me every day

When I'm telling you what we need to be doing for the people Let me tell you more Donnell Rollins and me So I fired him You fired Donnell Rollins? I fired him I'm not sure if we make noise for that No, no, you don't make noise for the firing

Come on, guy, what's wrong with you? I don't know, sometimes we're being fired No, no, we're not making noise for the firing. Come on, guy. What's wrong with you? I don't know. Sometimes we be in fires. No, no. We're not making noise for firing somebody. No, I'm sorry. Even though you did it. He got me back, though.

How did he get you back? Three weeks ago, me and Wendy. Three weeks ago? You and Wendy. After all these years. Y'all went to Dave Chappelle party? We went to Donnell Rollins.

Caroline's opened up for the first time. The comedy. And she called and goes, Jonesy, this is why you need to move back to New York. Donnell Rollins said- Wait, Wendy's calling you? Yeah. After the murder hit? So.

You spent the day on cribbing everything. Everything. Yeah, you spent the day- Did you relax? He's way more loving than me. That's what Envy say. Envy's on like Whenever I go to Wendy's house

He's like okay well just call me In the event I gotta get you It might be the last time He say I feel like you my daughter Going to the prom I'm on waiting So she calls And she's like

Caroline's Open open this is why you need To move to New York I want to go see Don L. Robbins Her impersonation is it Her impersonation is it And how long Will it take for you to get here

So I'm like it's your lucky day bitch Cause it's Thursday and Thursday I Tape my show with Queensflip Me and Miss Jones on the Queensflip your lucky day, bitch, because it's Thursday. And Thursday, I tape my show with Queen's Flip. Right. Me and Miss Jones on the Queen's Flip. I'm drinking a lot. Whatever, whatever.

We big in the Queen's Flip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, whatever it's at. So I'm already in the city. She don't know I'm already in New York. So she's like, my driver's downstairs.

Let me know when you get here. So we go to Caroline's. When we get there, we're a little late, like a lot of late. So they ask, do you want to sit here or do you want to Caroline's. When we get there, we're a little late, like a lot of late. So they ask, do you want to sit here or do you want to sit up front? You know I'm an up front bitch. I've been at home

for like, so she's like, let's go. We sit up front and Donnell Rollins stops the show to go, is that Miss Jones? My former boss that fired me? When your boss shows up to your new gig. So he got me.

He got me. That's it? I mean, he made a few jabs, but I was like, just make sure you funny tonight, nigga. He didn't go hard. So thank you for not going hard. But you went with D. Wayne? I went with Wendy. Let's just be clear.

He ain't say nothing about Wendy? Let's just be clear. Well, he said, so people will go, how you doing? Everybody in the audience is going, how you doing? So by the time we sat at our table, which is right in front of the stage. A million how you doings. So he's like, and Wendy Williams? So everyone stands up, and they're applauding, and they can't believe it because last they heard she was trying to murder you.

Right! Alright, but let's be clear. That's the crowd and how they feel. How do you feel with your ex-murderer? So me and Wendy so, so, so, so. I said that wrong. Ex-murderer. Tony and Sosa sitting together, man.

I did not mean it like that. But even if this is allegedly or if it's not allegedly, this is a story together, man. I did not mean it like that. But even if this is allegedly or if it's not allegedly, this is a story that brewed in the goddamn public eye. It brewed. And you semi-believed it, let's be honest. I did. But I thought at the time that my husband, who I told you

was in the streets. Right, and he was cool. He said, I got it. Right, and I never heard any more blowback from it. And him and Kev knew each other? Well, they got to know. Whoever my ex-husband knew that touched Kev, supposedly Kev was touched. And the problem was over. Like, touch, like, stop it.

Right. I'm sorry. I don't know what touch means. It means, like, stop it. And stop it. Right. Got what they mean? Got what they mean?

And stop it. And stop it. Right. Got what they? Got what they? It's stop it. It's stop it? Right. You know. You need to stop it, man. Ew. Hey, I've been stopped in a long time ago. I'm out of the streets. You put on a t-shirt.

You know I'm so sorry. You see what you're doing? You know I'm weird. I stopped it a long time ago. Stop it. I love it. Big shout out to Cali. I love it.

Yeah. So you really fully forgives. With the it. I love it. Big shout out to Kathy. I love it. So you really fully forgave Wendy for even thinking about it. No, I didn't. Here's what happened. So look. I love your honesty. I love it too. Yeah, no, fuck her because.

Oh, shit. You just went to the coffee corner. Yeah, no, no, fuck her because. She's dead. No, no. No, fuck Wendy because here's the thing. So after all these years, right, she never bothered

after Kevin did all that shit that he did. And you knew what Kevin, you knew Kevin was a scumbag? I told Wendy the day I met Kevin because she asked me to come and approve him.

And when she got out of the car to go into the store... Kevin was kicking it to you. No, he wasn't. But he was like, yeah. I said, you know, Wendy's going to be big one day. She can't have regular nigger handling. You need to step it up.

And he said, I know. And when she blow up, I'm going to be right there. You ain't got to tell me twice what that looks like. But I told Wendy and I guess she was like it doesn't matter Jones he probably had so much more I love her impersonations every time she's saying Wendy it doesn't matter Jones I'm marrying him and so you know as a friend you're like you don't want to be that bitch that's be like, no, don't fucking marry him, bitch. No. So I was actually at the engagement party.

And so he put wedges between us throughout the years. You know, whatever I did. She was on BLS. She would take jabs, whatever. Her and Star, enemy of my enemy is my friend. Everybody tore me down but after her divorce which is recent and her mom passed away which is also recent god bless yeah and then i came back on the scene in february so i'm on ig live and someone asked about the murder and i'm telling them someone added mr c don't ask me why mr c's in the murder. And I'm telling them. Someone added Mr. C.

Don't ask me why. Mr. C's in the murder now? What the fuck is going on here? Mr. C was the DJ for Wendy Williams. DJ. What? So somebody in that live, some random person added him. And next thing I know, he's requesting to be cammed up.

Oh. That's OK. That's a dead homie. I'm sorry. Dead homie's one of those. Right, right, right. Dead homie's one of those. And so I cam him up. He's like, what happened? What y'all talking about, Wendy?

And I told him, I said, I never got resolved. Like, why would you let that nigga influence you to have me taken out? Because even if he wasn't... You talking to Mr. C on live? Yeah. This is live? You talking to Mr. C saying, like, McCav influenced Mr. C. You thought Mr. Mr. C's saying like Kev influenced Mr. C.

You thought Mr. C was down with it too? No, he knew. No, we all knew at Hot 97 what Kev and Wendy were doing because they were at BLS at the time. And so I said, anybody trying to get in favor with Kev or Wendy

could have taken that murder thing seriously and killed me or my kids. Just trying to get me with that. Even a little hope. Someone down with them just inspired by whatever the fuck they was talking about. Somebody just want to say, what are you doing all day? Like, you know what I mean? That's real.

Right. Anybody. So he said, a lot of shit that Wendy, a lot of shit was Kevin and not so much Wendy. He said, Mr. C is saying, when I did what I did with the transvestites, allegedly,

it was all Kevin. Wait, how did that get involved in this? Because he's on the live saying, he's trying to explain to me that it wasn't Wendy, it was more Kevin. That Kevin was pushing Wendy

to push that whole transsexual, transvestite, whatever the fuck it was, narrative. On C, though? Yeah. I'm so confused right now. Because, listen, you'll get it. When Wendy went to BLS, she's opposite of Hot 97. Right. Kev allegedly wanted Mr. C to keep riding with Wendy.

C's under contract at Hot, so he can't. Kev gets mad. So now Kev hates Mr. C's under contract at hot, so he can't. Kev gets mad. So now Kev hates Mr. C. Let me put a battery in my wife's back to talk about Mr. C's... Oh, to talk about it. Oh, that's why Whitney did Mr. C. So put that out. Right.

Right, right, right. Holy moly, guacamole. So, she used to say DJ uh-uh-uh which we say DJ uh uh uh Which we know DJ uh uh uh Is DJ Mr. C And she would say all this stuff But to the point when he came on that live

That night with me and Queensflip He said a lot of that shit was not Wendy It was Kevin And I know it's easy to blame Wendy now Because she's going through this whole public humiliation And blah blah blah, blah. But I think if you and Wendy would talk, y'all could find some resolve and either decide to be friends again or to walk away. So he said, do you want me to call her?

And I'm like, sure, whatever. He calls her. And I guess it was a great conversation because he calls me and goes, I didn't know you was at her engagement party. She wants to talk to you. She's like, oh, Jonesy, oh, my God, oh, my God. So he goes, so I gave her your number. She's going to call. So me, I call Andy, Mike, Sean, and Mike.

Wendy's supposedly going to call me, blah, blah, blah, blah. As we're talking, she beeps in on the other line. So I click over She's like oh my god Jones I've missed you so much How are you what's going on And then we talk for like three hours And then two days later she calls

And she's like bitch I'm on my way To your house and I'm like bitch you ain't Got my address So she's like bitch I need it cause we're close So I give her the address. She pulls up to my house and we sit there for like four hours.

It's in Philly, I presume. No, in Jersey where I live now. She pulls up to the house. He's at boarding school, but he still has my ring app on his phone. So he sees every man,

every woman coming in and out of mommy's house. I like his style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's like, yo, is that Aunt Wendy? And she comes in and we talk and it just

was like... Wait, it's Aunt Wendy even though the murder shit? It's not Murder Wendy. It's not Murder Ink. It's not Murder Ink, yeah. It's not Murder Ink, Wendy. Yeah, because I ain't gonna lie, when I Googled that shit, I was like so shocked because i remember it back in the days but i had to google you because you're my friend and i love

you just in case you don't know you're my people yeah so when i looked at i was like damn i wanted to forget that i really did want to forget envy won't envy's like oh yeah okay whatever i still got my eye on you w Envy won't let it go Right He's like You Damn I don't want to ask this question

Ask People need more friends like Envy Yeah Big up Envy By the way Big up Envy Big up Envy But

Cause the next week She invited me to spend The night at her house Yeah and you did Spend the night at her house And I did He said You call me At the first sign Of That she's trying to get you to in the night at her house. Yeah, and you did spend the night at her house. And I did. He said, you called me

at the first sign of that she's trying to get you to take something you don't want or be with somebody you ain't interested in. I mean, I think it's probably obvious now that she personally wasn't trying to kill you.

Yeah, no, and she said that. It was an afterthought, which I would have thought she would have led with that. So you actually had this conversation? You actually did say, yo. We did, but it wasn't like she led withthought, which I would have thought she would have led with that. So you actually had this conversation? You actually did say, yo. We did, but it wasn't like she led with it, which I would have appreciated more

for her to lead with it, by the way, Jones. But it was a, by the way, Jones, you know, Kev was never really trying to kill you. He was just angry. He said, oh, I'll kill her. Where's this report come out? The New York Times? I, this was in like 2000,

maybe 9 or 2010. And the lawyer representing Wendy's intern that was suing Wendy and Kevin, Kenneth Johnson. Kenneth, I forget his name. He called and said, I just want to let you know that Wendy and her husband were trying to murder you. That's pretty... Kenneth Thompson. But he was representing

the girl that was suing Wendy and Kevin. So I said, bitch, why wouldn't you tell me confidentiality to my client? Damn, yo. That's rough. They fuck me around so much

in this industry. No, hip-hop is fucking foul. It's bad. Fuck that. I think radio sucks. The radio might be foul. Like, the actual artist. Why do we stay?

Why do we talk? At least the artists are staying and these songs, they want to kill you. Yeah, they want to kill you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're never there. Probably the lawyer calls

with the press release. You're going to die, bitch. We just won our case against Wendy and Kevin. By the way, they're coming to get you tonight. So, and again,

I'm in my own personal turmoil with my own life so i'm like fuck that because i'm not on the scene at that point i'm like whatever whatever but when we met when she came to my house she cried wendy and she come to the house with body guards the body guards standing outside she's don't know it was a hitman the hitman over there she ain't have no no it was an old man It should have been Cause she didn't know What she was walking into Right

It was just a driver Right And me And a pop up And so I'm in the house Sweating like a Freaking And I'm

Clean sweeping tables Like Is that a little part Of you saying You know what This bitch Might try to kill me I'm sorry

No no no no I'm just saying She ain't built I never thought that she would ever be built because anyone that saves you when you need a job, when your life is in jeopardy,

that, to me, that preceded anything anyone could have ever told me, which is why people say now, why are you her friend? Because when I was about to not know where I was going

to get a check from. But this is after. And that's your ultimate truth because you lived that. So she walks in. The other shit is hearsay. Right. She walks in your house.

Is the first thing she say, that's bullshit? No. She starts showing me how her titties sit up without a pencil dropping underneath them. Wait, that's what you guys talk about? No, I didn't say anything. She walks in and she goes, kids, Wendy's here. And then she twirls around like Wonder Wendy. And she goes, look at my body.

And then she goes, come in, Jones. Bring it in. And then we hug. And she's like, what are we drinking? What are we doing? And I'm like, you want the Hennessy? She's like, all day. So we go into the living room.

So Wendy drinks Hennessy. Does she? Wendy would do great on Drink Champs. Yeah, she would do great. Yeah, have her on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, hey, hey, hey. She's like, let's slapnessy. Does she? Wendy would do great on Drink Champs. Yeah, she would do great. Yeah, have her on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's right here.

She's right here. Slap it up. Slap it up. If I can tell you, this story is so amazing. So then she's like, we... So it's kind of like, it feels like someone you haven't spoken to, but you pick right up where you left off.

So she's talking about... But there's a lot of people I ain't speaking to, and I can pick up where I left off, that don't got an article about murder. They didn't try to murder you, buddy. No murders. Did I go too far? No, Marie.

You know what? Let's just stop this for one second. I got to be so good. I got to be good. We got to stop. Right there. Right there. A pee break.

Don't go. You might as well go. All right. I might as well. We got DJ Envy Live on the phone. A feed break. Go, go, you might as well go. All right, I might as well. We got DJ Envy live on the phone. Make some noise. Come on. Hold on, Razz.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, where's Miss Jo? Tell Miss Jo. Where are you? Where is Envy at? He's here live on the phone. He knew I was coming. Yes, yes, he's here live on the phone.

Hey, come over here. Come over here. Yo, Envy, you see he's here, live on the phone. Come over here, come over here. Yo, you see I got my college shit on. You know, I'm, you know, you know, you know. You don't ask me for no cars for your car show, but it's OK. You know, all right, it's all right. You know I'm up to.

You know what I'm saying? But look, Miss Motherfucking Jones! Oh, Emme, you look nice! Are you in your car show right now? God damn it. Nice. He getting too much money, Miss Jones. He getting so much money.

Look at her. Yeah. Yo, let me tell you something. Miss Jones big you up so beautiful. She so much respects you. She so much loves you. And we respect She so much respects you. She so much loves you. And we respect you and we love you. But I just really wanted you to understand

and get your flowers too. That's my sister, man. That's my sister. We ain't going to stop. She gets back where she needs to be. That's my sister, man. So I'm glad and joy in life. She's having fun.

That's the good thing. She's having fun. So that's what I love. God damn it. Make some noise. Yo, good looking, Emory. You know we love you, man. You know what?

We're going to make sure she get back to having fun. I have to make sure y'all take care of my sister because I want her to get some flowers, you know. All love. All love. All love. I wear flowers. I don't like flowers.

I don't want to get flowers. I give out flowers and I wear flowers. But I don't like to give it myself. But yeah, thank you so much, Em Emmy. We appreciate you, my brother. What love. Make some noise. Yeah! Come on, let's jump. Come on. Sit down. Sit down. God, that was so big of you. Come on. Come on.

Listen, man. Thank you. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. No, listen. This is like the biggest podcast in the world. And so, listen, I have been, like, so excited when I reached out to you and asked.

It was because it was like six months or not six months but like three months of me saying I can get on Drink Champs. That's going to turn my life around.

You're crazy. Nah, you're crazy. You don't know. You never know. That's wild. Now just so you know, we made this platform for us.

You know what I'm saying? The thing about it is we love the new artists. But some, just so you know, we made this platform for us. You know what I'm saying? The thing about it is we love the new artists. But some of them, you know, they last two years, one year, and then they leave. And, you know,

we invented the idea of a hip-hop union. And what a hip-hop union means is like somebody that put in their work and their blood, sweat, and tears, and then after 10 years, your bills should be taken care of.

Your whole thing. So this is with me and my partner. You're doing an amazing job. EFN is trying to do it. This is the Grammy of hip-hop. Oh, got that. Got that. Got that.

Because I want to reiterate something I said earlier. You, like, kind of invented social media. In my opinion, most things that happen in hip-hop, people will have to call you, and if they couldn't call you, they would DM you, which is the private line.

Right, right. I think we established that. That hot line and that warm line. The hot line and the warm line. But how is that? Because at one point, if it didn't happen on your show it just didn't happen. Or it would happen on Andrew or Flex maybe.

Okay, okay. But let's just focus on you. I like it on me. Let's focus on... All right, so at one point you know, things happen on your show. Was that like a crutch or was that like... Because sometimes people get mad.

Artist is very sensitive. So, has there been a time where artists you reported something to an artist got sensitive on you? crutch or was that like because sometimes people get mad artist is very sensitive so it hasn't been a time where artists you reported something to the artist got sensitive on you always always always Beyonce's mom wow she wanted to fight me a child no I'm not a child but she wanted to fight me she came to me in the studio and so talk about this Ms. Knowles. Ms. Knowles. Okay, Tina. Yeah, you must have got her really pissed off. Yeah, what did you do?

She seems like she's pretty chill. I kinda like... You did some trick daddy shit. This is going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We used to do parodies and so one day, and so Beyonce was coming up to the station, but Ebro and them didn't tell me because they knew that I would either try and like, I was unpredictable. Because you did say Mary J. Blass can't sing. You did say that at one point.

A lot of times she can't. I love her on power. But it doesn't, nowadays you don't have to be able to sing. And that's what I learned. It's not about singing. It's about emotion. Good saying. Good saying.

I'm clapping. I'm very skeptic. You're right. You're right. It's about emotion. You don't have to be technical. You don't have to be the best singer. Right.

To be successful. To have a great record. Because who you are, the emotion, the way you convey it. Mary sells the brand. Right. She sells the brand of black girl hurt, the way you convey it. Mary sells the brand. Right, she sells the brand of black girl hurt in love. That's it.

That's it. You win. Jesus. Can I kiss you? It's time to bring the quick flip. You ready? Bring a man. Come on, G-Money.

Give him a check. Give him a check. Come on, DJ G-Money. Holy holy guacamole. It's real hot over there, though. It's very hot over there. I'm just letting you know. He'll be fine. She just said, Mary J. Blige can't sing.

All right, bro. You're pushing it. You're pushing it. Easy. You're pushing it. Well, I mean, that doesn't mean that she's not a great artist. Look at Macy Gray. Macy Gray isn't a great singer.

Who? Macy Gray. Okay. Well, it depends. She's not known for her vocal prowess. If you're into her voice or not. No, it's a different type of voice. But so is Mary.

If you're into it, you're into it. Right. It doesn't matter. And the song, the brand is And the song The brand is consistent Mary's brand is consistent Throughout the years You know If you're hurting in love

Put on a Mary song She wins by default You know Yeah I've been hurting in love For a long time So I love No I saw your gorgeous wife

Oh god damn it Happy belated birthday To your gorgeous wife Not recently But back in the day I was hurting like a motherfucker Yeah well I love her Come on Real love Come on God damn it Come on You made a birthday to your gorgeous wife. Not recently, but back in the day, I was hurt like a motherfucker. Yeah, well. I love her.

Come on, man. Real love. Come on, my girl. Come on. So, did you think that you and Mary's beef is because of what you mentioned earlier, where you felt like Papa was kind of like, is it just that, or? Here's the thing. Okay.

When Mary and I. But you still was mature enough when I picked you up. So, I'm sorry. I cut you up. So, I'm sorry. I cut you off. No, it's fine. But go ahead. Mary and I have no beef. Like, when we see each other,

she's like, you want some wine? Did Mary ever acknowledge you being one of the first in that genre? We don't have those type of conversations. We don't have those conversations.

And Wendy and I don't have those conversations. So, here's the interesting thing. When Wendy tried to murder you, it's a little different. I don't know. I'm sorry. I went too far? I'm When I... When he tried to murder you, it's a little different. I don't know. I'm sorry. I went too far?

I'm sorry. Murder, murder, murder. Yeah, that murder shit, man. Just the fact that we keep calling it murder, like it already died. Like a murder happened. It's different.

Like, I swear to God, you know you're my sister, I love you. So when I Googled you and it kept coming up, I was like, damn! I had to. I swear to God,

I wouldn't have excluded it from the interview. But I kept Googling it. Every... It leads. It leads. When I was like, damn! I had to. I swear to God, I would have excluded it from the interview. But I kept Googling it. Every. It leads. It leads. When he was murdered. It leads now because she and I are, like, out in these streets together.

Every chance. There's pictures and stuff like that. And here's the thing. Mary. Mary is unaware of, I guess, how I feel. Like, um. Zab Judah does these celebrity boxing matches, and he wants me and Mary to fight. Whoa.

That's never going to happen, obviously. So I challenged her. I was like, come get these poids, bitch. It's what you wanted to be. Stop, Ms. Judah. She's not going to do that. I'm not. I need to stretch and lose weight and all these things.

But it was fun. But I think she shut down my IG page. She shut it down? Probably not. I'm just running with it. But I don't have a problem with her. She really don't have a problem with me because she's come to my show in Philly. Right.

We, like, we're good. She's not that complex. It's just me with this whole, I have a thing. Like, I have a thing like i i i have a thing so you don't think that if she's questioned and taken back because it's easy for someone to have a career and in the beginning of their career not acknowledge certain people that are around their peers right but after they've had a huge career they can look back and say yes this person so you tell them what's on the forefront of this they were the pioneer of this.

They were before me in this. You don't think she'd do that right now? Get her ass on your show and find out. No. Because not at that point, all you bitches is going to try and come. Here's the better question. After you guys were competing in music, she's never came on Miss Young's show ever? You've never interviewed Mary?

No, Mary refuses to come. But she came on my show in Philly Okay, that's your show But what does that mean? No, I think she didn't realize That it was Jonesy Because in Philly They call me Jonesy

New York calls me Miss Jones No, she realized She probably did No, artists not We play stupid Mary be drinking No, no, no Okay, yeah

I be drinking Girl, I know Miss Jones From Jonesy I don't know No, I'm a different Mary right there I think I think Mary exactly knew Who exactly you were

And that was her olive branch Okay well and I took it Okay But I still talk my shit I play too much They all know Mary Faith Faith not speaking to me now

Mary Faith Lauren They all know I play too much. But it's who I am. Let's go with Lauren. Who got beef with Lauren? Lauren Hill? You got beef with Lauren Hill? No, I really don't have beef with Lauren. But Faith is mad.

But Faith is mad because she came on my podcast and it was all going good and then I got silly and I was like who is better in bed, Tupac or Biggie? Oh my god And the record scratch like what? She's like I wouldn't know why would you ask I just heard in my head to

So like I just be playing too much. Nori, help me. No, I can't. I'm going to let you drown on this one. That one was terrible. You really asked him. It was bad. It was bad. But to the point. Did she take it humorous?

No. Well, in that moment, she actually was like, I didn't have sex with him. And we carried on. Because Faith on our show was super candid. She was open as a motherfucker. I saw her. She said she had sex with him. No, she said straight up she didn't have sex with him, and we carried on. Because Faith on our show was super candid. She was open as a motherfucker. I saw her. She didn't say she had sex with him. No, she said straight up she didn't.

She said she had sex with a lot of other motherfuckers. But I had to ask her. She said a lot of shit. She said a lot of other motherfuckers. She didn't say she had sex with him. But I had to ask because that's what I'm known for doing. How could I not ask? And she was fine.

We kept on with the interview, and then later that night, I got an email that cc'd Stevie J and me. How dare you ask me those questions? That was disrespectful of my husband. My husband would not appreciate you having asked those questions. My husband is a... Stevie, get out of face email and go to bed. I know that was Stevie J sending that email to me, but...

I apologize to the Jordans. Shit. Yeah. I wasn to the Jordans. Shit. Yes. It's okay. Let's do another shot. Did you get a shot, motherfucker? Yes, please. I mean, we hit. I see, motherfucker.

When in Rome. Your interview, Meno, Tragedy. I watch it all, bro. I appreciate that. I watch it all, bro. It means a lot. Flip got it relaxed. He's going to people's crib right now. Do not say yes. I watch it all, bro. I appreciate that. I watch it all, bro. It means a lot. Flip got it relaxed. He's going to people's crib right now.

Do not say Mr. Lee pours heavy, because look at what you just did. After that Mary story and Faith backing up, and yeah, I don't want C.V.J. coming in with the muscles. OK, but here's another deal. I asked you, Lil' Kim or Foxy? Yeah. You said neither, right?

You're the first person to ever say neither. Come on, let's do a shot. I like your style. You said neither, right? You're the first person to ever say neither. Come on, let's do a shot. I like your style. You shot a pour. I'm ready. Shout out a little. Shout out a little. You ready?

All right. Ah, you said neither. This is the, all right, for lack of a better term, especially our time, especially the time you came out. You were on AZ's number one single. You were on once. It's not everybody's record, man. Yeah.

A lot of records. Big Al. Big Al. Come on. Yeah, that was a big deal. Yeah. How can you say Lil' Kim and Foxy Brown are not picked either? And I would like, you know what? I love them both, but I would like your God honest opinion. So here's the thing

yes we all as much as we may not want to admit we know that Biggie was the best writer for Kim and once Big passed away the level of

lyricality kind of waned I love that word I've never heard of it lyricality I mean I don't even know the word for that

lyricality that shit hard that was hard Hard. That was hard. Go ahead. Is it hard? Let's Google it. Legal mentality. We're making it a word. Make it a word.

Make it a word. Make it a word. It waned after he passed away. Like we waited and waited and waited. For her specifically to step in. Yeah. And I don't know that. And maybe we just had bigger expectations because it was Biggie writing for her.

But when she finally did, for me, it's a word. Lyricality. Go ahead, Jonesy. Goddamn. It just, it felt, right, SU? All those books she's been reading. Right. So I just, and Foxy is personal.

It's personal. Well, you need to hate the person. It's personal. Well, you need to hate the person. She's just nasty. She's just mean for no reason to me. Or back then. Like, just like, irrational. And I can't do it. I can't do it. I don't care how much your flow is good and who you're affiliated with.

Who was that? Sorry. So sorry. I don't know. No, no. I'm crossing the line. But who was like, AZ was like her quiet man or low.

You did a record with AZ. Did that anything have anything to do with it? An epiphany again. I had no idea. Weak or sharp. It's a rumor. Allegedly. I had no idea. What are you, Kashop? It's a rumor. Allegedly. That would make sense.

It's just a rumor. Because I didn't know that girl. I didn't know that girl. A rumor allegedly. That would make all the sense. Both, exactly. That makes the sense. Exactly, I'm clear.

You've been cleared of all your charges. Wow, Nori. This is a legend We didn't have AZ On the show He's been supposed Yeah AZ He's got a new album coming

So he needs to come And he's still dope Yeah yeah He's supposed to come on mine But he's like Jones you know The creative process That would make sense

Cause I never knew why She just is Always those ways to me This is a legend. Was it? So look at the timeline. Was it after that? It was.

Well. Because I was on the Firm album. I did a song on the Firm album. Yeah. It kicked you on your face. But after, I'm like, why? I'm on the album. Wow, thank you, Nori.

Can we hear what else you want to say? No, no, no. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Can we give it up for Norby? No, go for it. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Do not give me that truth. Allegedly.

Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! You gave me my closure that I needed. Yep. Wow, whoever thought it would have come on Drink Champ? Allegedly.

Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly, it happens. This way. You're fucking me up, right? No, we are allegedly fucking you up. We are allegedly fucking me up right no we allegedly fucking you up we allegedly

fucking you up okay you a pun oh allegedly too this is super allegedly everything is not

allegedly it's me and pun was like he was my love story what yeah no

we never fucked oh but we could've oh but we didn't Jesus but we He was my love story. What? Yeah. No. We never fucked. Oh. But we could have. Oh. But we didn't. Jesus. But we, that's a love story that's like. So you were in love with him without fucking.

So here's the thing. When I met Pun. Well, I do, I just asked the story. Rest in peace. Thank you, sis. Rest in peace. That was really sad when he died. But so. I ain't gonna way. Thank you, sis. Rest in peace. That was really sad when he died,

but so... I ain't gonna lie, y'all was... Sorry to... the situation, but when I used to see y'all, y'all was cute together. Like, he would, like,

rub your nose. Yes. Rub your nose? Stupid shit. Yeah, yeah. Hun would come to my house every night of the week after, like, 7 p.. Yeah, all right. Hun would come to my house every night of the week

after, like, 7 PM and just be. He would be. He would share his. I'm sorry, this is something, you know, what, it's 20 years, 25 years later. Do you think Pum was in love with you? I know that he was. Oof.

I think so, too. You do? Why do you think that? No, stop. Your son is right here. I got to relax. I mean, he already heard a lot. No, but honestly.

It's allegedly, bro. Everything's allegedly. Honestly, I'm so sorry because, you know, people are going to be offended by this part of the interview, but it's okay and I apologize. But I never see him blush when I see him around you I see him blush

and it was like she's blushing right now yeah yeah no no no I he was good to me right

he was good to me without me maybe even like I'd never I just was able to be regular Tarsha from Astoria and he didn't judge me I'm crying I look like I'm crying no no no no I just was able to be regular Tarsha from Astoria. And he didn't judge me.

I'm crying. I'm crying? No, no, no. I just, I remember how my brother felt about her. Like, I swear to God. That's genuine. No, no, no. That's serious.

And he's the guy from the Bronx. I'm supposed to, you know, I'm hers. I'm her brother. Right. So when I heard him talk about her, I could not stop him. Because it was so respectful. It was so lovable. And it was so like, you know, I'm sorry. Cause I can see her face right now. No, it's good. You're taking me to a good place.

Okay. All right. Cool. Because I could, I could physically see that. I could physically see when he was around you, like he felt comfortable. He lowered his thing. And, you know, I apologize to anybody that's hurt from what I'm saying. But I could see that he had a certain part of his heart for you. And did you know that? I did.

Okay. But again, he was always married. Was it reciprocal? Like, did you feel the same way? I did because he didn't want nothing from me. He didn't need anything from me. It was just pure emotion. It was pure emotion and he met me where I was. Like, he always was available to

me. In the midst of his busy, he always, at the end of the night, that driver would bring him. 55 West End Avenue, apartment 2K. You know what's the greatest shit? I lived on 53rd and West End Avenue at that time. Chill out, relax, kick you on your story.

Oh! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chill out, chill out. Trust me, trust me. I knew. Okay, okay. So you know. Yeah, so he was at the height.

And when you're at the height, it's hard to get people to receive you where you are. But he knew I didn't want nothing from him but those laughs. And he knew I was dealing with some mental shit from the person I was with at the time. And he pulled me up out of that. And he did a remix for my album because he knew the label was about to drop me. And he said, if I do this remix, not only will they keep you, but they'll send you on tour with me.

And I'll threaten them if they don't. And that happened. And Motown got me a tour bus. Next thing I knew, I was the most unworthy R&B artist on tour with Fat Joe and Big Pun. Ooh. Yeah. Big up to my brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then, and then, when all this shit happened with Hot 97 and I needed to move from that apartment to Harlem, who gave me first month, last month security? Oh, we've never heard this. We need you to say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big pun. Gave me first month, last month security. Come up to my office,

the check will be there. Wow. And I never... I always knew it was like... You know. I knew it was a deeper love. Like, you know, I'm too young to like identify what it actually is. deeper love. I'm too young to identify what it actually is,

but I'm old enough to know there's something there that's beautiful. Yeah. And we kept it clean. Yeah, it's never physical. No, no. Which is, we need to make that clear. Yeah, no, we never had sex.

We never kissed. We never did anything. But there was a high level of intimacy without the sex. That's what y'all dudes need to understand. That mental intimacy. I don't even know why I'm trying to promote that. I'm sorry.

Let me leave that alone. Let me leave that alone. That was real. Thank you, Nori. That's my brother. Because no one ever spoke for his side until now. No, I knew how he felt about you. I'm sorry. I know they're going to hate me.

I know the family, but they got bigger fish to fry. That's real shit, man. Nah, nah. I saw it. Like, you know, this is my sis. So I'm sitting in the back, and I'm looking. I'm like, damn. And like, he would go above and beyond

to make sure Miss Jones is great like yo wherever she at like yo let's go to Miss Jones I'm like where we going like alright cool let's go I'm like oh okay and I just love that

and let me tell you to this day I had no idea he put me down on his publishing wait wait like his regular like all his publishing. Wait, wait. Like his regular, like all his publishing? I get checks on songs.

Should I be saying? Wait, now, hold a minute. Hold up a minute. I ain't trying to fuck up my shit, but. I mean, if it's legal, it's legal. It's done. It's done. It was his choice.

Right. Right? Right? Yeah, absolutely. He put me down. Like, I live, Jalen. What? You live off of the royalties of Big Pun.

Wow. Did you know that? Wow. That's beautiful. I just knew, I knew how he looked at her. I knew how he saw her. I didn't know anything else, and I didn't want to know anything else. It wasn't my business. But I could never take away from how he looked at her, I knew how he saw her. I didn't know anything else and I didn't want to know anything else. It wasn't my business.

But I could never take away from how he looked at her, how he saw her, how he treated her. Every single, single, single moment. So now we get a little deep. It's going to be a little weird. But how did you feel like when he passed away? You know I passed out at the funeral and they had to pick me up off the floor. Definitely remember that after. It was, we had just come off tour.

And it was like two months later. And, yeah. He was in a lot of pain. He was in a lot of pain. Virtually. More than physically? That's what fucks me up. When I went to the casket,

that's what the brothers told me. They said he was in pain. I'd never seen him physically in pain. I never... I saw him, you know, I saw him go to sleep, like, and later on I figured out that was narcolepsy.

Narcolepsy, yeah. But I'd never seen him fully in pain so you know if you could give me some you saw him in pain so he used to

I mean we used to have conversations about his relationship with his mom and his relationship with his mom well

boys relationships with their moms to all you men it's how you I loved how you looked and said boys relationships with their moms there's a bunch of, it's how you... I loved how you looked and said boys' relationship with their moms. There's a bunch of dudes in here. She's hitting all of us wrong boys.

But at one point, you were boys. I love how you do that. When you're young, that's what forms your relationship with women, your relationship with your mom. Go ahead, Ms. Jones. School us, goddammit. He just used to discuss and open up about his relationship with his mother. At that time, it wasn't the greatest. And, you know, maybe they needed time to grow.

But he didn't live beyond that. So they were still trying to figure things out. And I was never, I wasn't judgmental because, like, us as people of color, we are born into trauma. We're born into trauma and it becomes ordinary. We face trauma, we dress up for the wake and the funeral, and then after like three days, we have to go back to work or school like nothing has happened. Terrible. I understand.

And this is how we're raised. And we grow and it becomes normal. And you don't see that there's shit that wasn't addressed. And so we go through life and then you get older and that shit that's not been addressed. You just carry it. You just carry it. So he was dealing with a lot of pain. So I just want to ask you straight up.

I'm just being honest. Because this is something, a question I cannot get answered. He told you he was in pain? Mm-hmm. Wow. And he told me why. And he told me what happened leading up to. And he discussed the weight gain and what prompted that.

And he told me, when I met Pun, he was not overweight. He was slim. You met that earlier, Pun. He's like EFM. Yeah. He was svelte. Like, very. Just fight with it. Yeah, he was svelte, like, very, and he, so I didn't meet the overweight pun, I met that pun, and he liked me then. But I didn't know he liked me then.

He was at a talent show at the Victoria Theater up in Harlem, and he had jumped off the stage, I was a judge, and was doing his song to me. But I saw the talent then. So I'm giving it up just because he was talented. He remembered. He remembered. I met you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then some accident happened and a lawsuit. And he came to Miami.

Yeah. So, you know. But so he would share that with me. And I don't judge because I just don't judge. Like, who the fuck am I to judge? But we used to have barbecues at my Manhattan apartment. Randy, everybody would come. And he would ask that I put his plate to the side,

because he knew that people would be watching him while he was eating. And he didn't want that. He didn't want that distraction. He didn't want that, you know. And I got it. Because fuck them. I'll put your plate to the side. But I don't know that he had that type of transparency with a lot of other people.

And he knew he could trust me with it. Because, again, I ain't judging. So I think that encouraged the love. It was intimacy without sex, without physicality, without, oh, I'm going to fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. It was none of that stuff. It was just my... There's other people who fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. There's always other people who fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

We talked about a few. All right. Circle back. All right. Circle back. I'll never tell. I know. But so, you know, so it was like, and he took me on his back, struggling R&B artist,

and put me on his song, came on my song, Two Way Street Remix, made Motown get me a tour bus, hotel rooms, everything, street team, everything. And if it hadn't been for Pun, I probably would have never experienced going on tour.

Wow. Let's make some noise. That was beautiful, man. It was beautiful for me to, like, be outside looking in. You know, I was never, like, in you guys' conversation. I just see you guys just, like, you guys are like bum heads. Yeah, but, Norm, you knew. You knew.

I didn't know you knew. No, I knew. I knew. I knew it was something special. That's how you know it was real, because an outsider, which is close to pun. Yeah. And close to her. And I was just like, all right, when I seen it, I was just like, all right, I always Pern. Yeah. And close to her. And I was just like, all right, when I seen it,

I was just like, all right, I always felt that. Yeah. It was a special, it was a special camaraderie. What is that word? Camaraderie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, oh man, this is, so let's go, let's talk about you right now. What's up, what's up, man? I'm here. Queens Flip, that's the name of the show? Flip the Script Podcast.

Flip the Script Podcast. Okay, so how did y'all get started yeah but yeah yeah sauce let's keep this pretty much y'all family family we love what y'all doing by the way too oh so let's this oh that's the beginning of the podcast yeah I mean so meet me and please flip is uh you, good friends for like 15 plus years now. So I met him. He was doing music. He was rapping.

You know, I DJ. He was rapping? He was rapping. He was rapping. You can find some songs on YouTube. Sorry, Flip. Fine, man. I didn't know that.

Sorry, Flip. Sorry. Okay, all right. Is he going to be mad at you? He might be a little mad, but it's all right. It's okay. It's okay. He's always mad.

He's always mad. You know, so like- Say allegedly. Allegedly. Right, like like allegedly allegedly he was right so like many people uh who who know queen's flip when you first meet him it's kind of like he gives you like a little test or i call the test i feel like everybody who's he's close to he kind of like presses you a little bit so when i first met him he kind of pressed me about playing a song and we had like a little i'm like your bro you know like get out of here, bro. You had big stage? Hit me?

Yeah. Yeah, I had big stage, but he wanted his song played at this, at Rochdale, they had a Rochdale day. Rochdale day, okay. Rochdale day in Queens, so he wanted to get his song played. Yeah, yeah, so he wanted to get his song played. I wasn't DJing, my friend was DJing, said like, yo, tell your man to play the record.

I'm like, yo, bro, like come on, he's pressing me. So from there is when we kind of first started to get cool back then. But the podcast started because I had my own radio show that got- You used to like save your satellite, or no, no, no, no, you used to call this radio, that type of shit, right? I was on DTF, actually. We actually interviewed you on DTF radio. DTF, there you go. So I had you on DTF, we interviewed you years ago. So that show stopped And then people kept saying, like, yo, you want to do your own show? That's your man, right? He's going viral.

He's going crazy. You and his personality is kind of different. It'll mesh. You know what I'm saying? So we did our first episode about four years ago. And who was that with? So our first episode, you know, he wanted to come out the gate. You know, his idea was to make some noise and get a little crazy.

So I do a gangsters. Not yet. some noise and get a little crazy. So do gangsters. Not yet. The gangsters came a little later. Episode one, we had a girl give a little bit of, you know, on camera. What? Oh, whoa. Episode one. Y'all got head in the whip without crashing it?

Yeah, episode one. You know, because we felt like, you know, the podcast game is going crazy right now. We got people like, you know, Charlamagne, these other guys who are doing shows, Envy. You know, they're doing their podcast. We kind of wanted to make a name for ourselves. So we started out by interviewing a guy. The guy was a giving head. Well, the guy was receiving.

And we interviewed him to see if. Wait, wait, wait, wait a second wait a second so that was the game that was like episode one y'all set it up like all right you gonna get ahead while we give you the interview yeah or it just happened the guy so i we interviewed the escort right and the escort is the guy or the girl no the girl the girl's escort we interviewed the escort and the john walked in and then we walked in, and we let them set up, let them get comfortable, left the room, came back in the room. And we started asking her and asking him how good she was,

and just to see if she performing to the abilities. You know what I'm saying? That's the dream chance, Pam. Hey! Let's give it up for being John and Pam. Yeah. You know, so up for B&B. We went from there to... Eddie the Azzy is going to have to step it up, man. Let me tell y'all, man.

Eddie the Azzy is going to have to step it up. No pressure. But then y'all went to the hall of gangsters. So from there, you know, we had a bunch of other guests on the show. And then... Somebody stabbed somebody. The Uggsburgs stabbed somebody. We got to Bimmy. We had Bimmy on the show. Right. We somebody we got we got to Bimmy

we had Bimmy in the show we had Bimmy we had Shea Davis we had Supreme Son in the show

some people like that and then we realized that the audience wanted to see those stories hear those stories so we started

interviewing all of the I mean yeah we had Kevin Child I kept sitting with

T.R. all of them dudes. I don't want to interview them. It's like, I'm great. But the crowd responded. I think we had our first NYC Blood, the OGs on our show, and the numbers went crazy. Yeah. So after that, it was all right.

We got to go. We got to talk to the streets. Yeah, but doesn't that kind of commit you to that? Like, once you do one of them, don't you have to commit to be doing every one? Because now, all right, cool, this guy says, I'm the NYC blood,

and his shit does a million, but this one says, I'm the first NYC blood. Thanks. Damn. And then this one says, I'm the first NYC crib. Like, what does that bring y'all at?

Well, I mean, you know, we don't know who's official, right? Because we weren't there in Rikers when everything first started. So we get the first guy, and then he cosigns the next guy. Like, yeah, I was there with him. They're Brooklyn Cavs, got to cosign such and such. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we go that way.

But of course our phones are going crazy for the rest of the world. Like, oh, I'm the first one. Everyone is saying, no matter how tough you are, there's always someone who says he pussy. Right. There's always someone who says he pussy. Right. There's always someone tougher. No matter how rich you are, there's always someone who says you broke. That's a fact.

No matter how much pussy you got, there's always someone who says that you ain't getting nothing. I went too far, sis? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You understand what I'm saying? That makes sense, yeah. So how do y'all balance that?

Because I can't. Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, we had guys like Killer Kev and, you know, OG Nook. Bigger baller. We had them confirm, like, all right, this guy's valid. This guy's valid. And then, you know, we try to go to Neath Eyes. There's always somebody there. Yeah, but after a while, we left it alone.

Because now everybody wants to get involved. Everyone wants to get involved. Because you said the numbers went crazy, so it would allude to that. That's what inspires you to keep going. Right. Like, at what point does the numbers going crazy not, like, it becomes detrimental to what you, you know, to the platform.

Right. I mean, you know, like I said, at a certain point, we kind of just slowed down with it. We felt like everyone in New York wanted to get their story heard. Everyone that's gangster from New York. Yeah, exactly. I was so happy that they came to you.

And not you. I was so happy. I was like, oh, yeah, go to these things. Yes, yes, yes. I'm watching everything. We took it. We took it. We took it.

And I think we went from there to we started interviewing people who just came home that did 20, 30 years and did the head age story about whether they was accused, you know, falsely accused. There's somebody that always refutes they story. Yeah, of course. Of course. Always. Of course. That's the game.

But, you know, we went from there and just started growing and just getting different guests. And, you know, we kind of ran into Miss Jones. You know what I'm saying? Down the line somewhere. They just sold a whole new show with Miss Jones. They got a whole new show, right? Yeah, Queen's Flippin' Miss Jones

Got their show on Thursdays Come on let's talk about that So it's on Thursday nights He calls it Me and Miss Jones I call it the King and I And we just Not like the group

The King and I Remember the Nobody remember the King and I I thought that was dope I do That group was dope I do Well it was the artists

It was one artist actually Right But no No So you and Flip Flip Yeah Thursday nights Thursday nights And let me ask you something artist it was one artist actually right but no so you would flip flip yeah thursday night thursday night and let me ask you something because you say you got something on monday that's my reunion joe miss jones reunion if you want when do you drop your audio of that so we tape it sunday night me dj mv from the breakfast club mike sean i love she flossing on us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes Ebro,

you know, he's shady. Woo! Woo! He's the recorder? He's the engineer? He's so shady. No, he comes on the show, but he's like,

after he caught COVID, he like fell back and I didn't want to push. Okay. And like, the core of the show is me, Envy, and Mike Shawn anyway.

Wow. So we do every Sunday. Last week, we had Remy and Papoose. Wow. Envy's every Sunday. Last week we had Remy and Papoose. Wow. Envy's coming on. Envy's on the show every week since the beginning. Envy's really a good guy, man. He's real. He's got to stop coming

to his house. He's got to stop. So I just want to tell you that Envy has not shown up for the last two weeks because he thinks that I'm down with Flip in these skits. Yes. Okay. That's not, that's not, come on.

Flip and Envy is playing these skits out. I'm not there, bro. I don't, I don't. Come on. So here's how we started. No one believes you. So they knew of each other, but their main connection is me. So I'm like, Envy, he's good.

And Flip wanted this verse from Beanie. So I introduced that. But we don't believe this, Ms. Jones. I'm like Envy he's good And Flip wanted this verse from Beanie So I introduced that But we don't believe this Miss Jones When we see Flip Jump over the gate But here's what happens Envy said come for the verse On Wednesday at 3

Flip shows up Monday at 1 I believe that part Yeah I believe that part He showed up early Early with the bullshit Monday at 1. I believe that part. Yeah. Okay, I believe that part. And then it just... He showed up early. Early with the bullshit. Yeah, yeah.

But now it's funny. I look forward to the Envy and Flip Skits, and I don't know. But Envy's like, oh, oh, oh, he showed me phone records. You're talking to him 20 minutes before he breaks in my house. He brought a mariachi band,

and he didn't say nothing. So I'm just trying to like... I saw all this footage. Yeah, yeah, He brought a mariachi band, and he didn't say nothing. And so I'm just trying to, like... I saw all this footage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the mariachi band was all the time. Do you want some Ace of Spades? I'm just being honest. Can I have a bottle to go?

You can have this bottle to go for you right now. Yeah! Yay! My first bottle of this! Hey! I am Miami. Come on. I am Miami.

But do you want one to drink right here? Like a sip? A sip? Is this going to make me sick? This is black. Oh, no, not sick. A little bit. Because I was doing the...

Oh, which one? They said a little bit. Which one? Yeah, because I was doing the ingenious shit. No, it's just a lot of not a bit. Then I need a sip a bit. Listen, this is black old champagne. I always wanted this.

I'll have a sip. Yeah, you can take the other go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can take the other go. I'll have a sip. Yeah, you can take that to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can take that to go. I want a whole cup. For now. That's what I'm talking about. Take it down.

Take it down. Oh, and then. Yeah, we want the better side of life. So listen, so what was your interview y'all wish y'all didn't do? That we didn't do? Yeah. I know you're going to be politically correct right now.

Oh, man. Easy. Easy. I know. I know. I know because... Was it gangsta? It's not his dress. On the podcast, right, if you see like, Flip is the one that's... I'm the one that's kind of like mellow. So a question like that for me is like, to answer that is like tough. But

you know, we here, we Drink Champs, man. What do we have for being here on Drink Champs? It's like, to answer that, it's like tough. But, you know, we here, we drink champs, man. Who are we going to go for being here on Drink Champs? This is your drink. This is not your shot. That's your shot? This is your drink. Be clear.

That's two different things. Go ahead. Continue. Go ahead. Go. There's an interview we did that couldn't get aired because the guests didn't want to be aired. Okay, who's that? Terry Woods. The author?

The author. The book author? Yes. Why? What did she write? She wrote Black Man. She wrote True to the Game. True to the fucking Game. That's the, like, the black people.

Wait a minute. And True to the Game 2. Here's what you about to say. Go ahead Game 2 I mean you asked me which interview We regret that we did So she comes on the podcast I regret it because we couldn't air it Wow what happened tell me what happened I think it was a great show it was a great time

Right After the interview She called and felt like We asked her crazy questions and she didn't like the questions we asked her. You couldn't edit whatever she didn't want? We couldn't. Can you give me an example of crazy questions she told you? We kind of asked a lot of the same questions about when it came up.

Not like drink chants where he's like, did you eat the ass? Did you ask me to eat the ass? I'm going to be honest. I'm not going to ask you to eat the ass. I'm going to be honest. Your beard tells me you eat a lot of ass. You actually eat the ass. Let me ask you. I'm going to be honest. I'm not going to ask you to eat. I'm not going to ask you to eat the ass. Come be honest. Your beard tells me you eat a lot of ass. I'm just being honest.

I'm going to pick eat it. So it ain't going to come back. But you eat ass, though. I'm going to pick eat it. But you eat ass, though. You eat organic. Organic ass. You eat organic.

Organic ass. You never ate ass? I've never ate ass before. I respect that. The night is still young. The night is still young. Whoa. I don't know what that means. We night is still young. Whoa! I don't know what that means.

We in Miami, man. We in Miami. Whatever happens in Miami, it's happening in Miami. Right, carry on. What is that? Come on, you say it with big points. Point means now, now. Good, good. You with a big point. You know what that means. Point means now, now, something.

You're crazy right now. I think one of the questions we asked her was, because her whole come up when she was grinding and things like that, we asked her, did she sleep with anybody on the way up? And she said no. We asked her again. But we talked to a lot of guests. We asked them questions about their past and who they You know Who they slept with Who they did this with

Da da da But she kind of We had a great interview It was great We had fun She left She was happy But I said I regret it

Because like You know I feel like I wanted to put that show up It was a good time It was a good interview We had a good time She felt a way afterwards

That we were coming at her And we were kind of Talking down Let me be the devil's advocate For one second I've been in this game 22 years that we were coming at her and we were like talking down. Let me be the devil's advocate for one second. I've been in this game 22 years. No one's ever asked me

who I slept with. And I think asking a woman that is detrimental. Now, here's the crazy. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to try to pick it up. No, I hear you.

But I asked her that three times. Right. This is my sister. And I said that three times. She didn't even think of that to ask me back well you didn't ask her that no I asked no not asked her directly

I just said you know and this is what I'm saying so you don't think that's like an advantage of sometimes like yeah but like alright so what I'm saying is I would rather come on the Queen's Flip show and I don't think y'all would ask me that women like so if I would what I'm saying is I'm ready to come on the Queen's flip show

and y'all don't think y'all would ask me that we would and why would you ask her that no you wouldn't ask him y'all would ask me about who I shot

it's scandalous if a woman fucked niggas we don't ask you y'all don't know who I fucked so I'm telling you you don't ask me

who I shot so you say y'all know who I shot because I be talking about this shit I be watching y'all and then you're talking about

who I smuffed and who I pushed and who I everything so who I hurt and things. Right. So, but you never, you never imply. So, so one thing, like you said,

you actually been doing that three times. No, no, I'm just being fair. No, no, that's fine. You actually been doing that three times, you said. Yeah. She won't,

I feel like she won't leave here and be like, oh, no. In three different ways. I know he asked me that. Why he try to keep that. He asked three times. I know how to do it. Why?

Yeah, but she won't feel the way, though. You know what I'm saying? I don't think she'll leave here feeling the way. But she won't feel the way though You know what I'm saying I don't think she'll leave That feeling away No but what I'm saying I'm talking about When you ask

When you ask home girl When you say yo I asked you Yo did you do She actually led in To those I didn't do the fuck You know what I'm saying

What he said to Terry Woods Yeah yeah You said you led into that You asked her Yo did you sleep with somebody To get to the top Right

Wait but in those but in those words. I like that. And she responded? She responded. The whole interview was done. We did the whole interview. And we left. And it shows over.

She's like, I had a great time. This was dope. Laughing. And then I guess she went home and thought about it. No, she went home and spoke to somebody. And they called you back

and they said, don't use it? Yeah. Can't post it up. Yada, yada. That's what that called you back and they said don't use it yeah can't post it up yada yada that's what that is all the time i don't i don't appreciate what you guys did you guys somebody got in my head you guys conduct a bad show yada yada and give us all these bad reviews wow i'm gonna apologize until like yo wait the show comes out and they're telling you bad so it didn't come out yet so how are they telling you bad reviews well she's saying bad reviews as far as she feels like we don't conduct a good show.

We don't ask good questions and things like that when we already did the whole interview and she told us that we had a good time. Did she sign a release? No. She didn't sign a release? No.

Yeah, but let's get her to sign a release right now. Listen, we're great. Bye. I signed my sheet. I know you did. right now listen great yeah yeah that's really happens all the time happens all the time men and women is not just with faith and she was sharing stuff with me so I was even though that question I asked her Was a little distasteful She knew it was a joke She was surprised that I wasn't more

Jonesy with her But I feel like that was Stevie J more so So you don't know And you would not have known Would I have known If it was an outside influence That after the fact said Fall back sis

Don't let that interview come out. Yo, I love you, man. This is great content, man. I can't, I can't, I can't even ask them more questions. This is great. Yay! Yay! Give me a little photo.

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