Drink Champs - Episode 269 w/ Lil Mo

Episode Date: July 9, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with the Superwoman herself, Lil Mo!Lil Mo shares her origin story, from touring with Gang Starr to meeting Missy “Misdemeanor” Elliott. Lil Mo’s career took off!Releasing some of the most memorable music in the early 2000’s, Lil Mo released huge records!Lil Mo shares stories of working with Ja Rule, ODB, Elektra Records and much much more!Make some noise!!! 🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Where every day is New Year's Eve It's time for Drink Champs Drink up, motherfuckers What it good be, homies? What it should be? This is your boy N.O.R.E What up, it's DJ E.F.N And this is Drink Champs motherfucking Yardcast.

Make some noise! And when we talk about legends, we talk about legend legends. You talk about, I believe came out since 96. Been out here monkey foot in the game doing what you gotta do.

Got hits. Pawn hits. Dominated a music career, then went on, you know, did tours, all that, while being a mother, you know,

holding down the mothership, then also went and dominated reality TV as well. You understand what I'm saying? She came a little late, so we're going to get straight into it. No, I came on time. No, you're supposed to be at 12 o'clock, girl.

Don't worry about it. I told you. Don't worry about it. In case you don't know, what the hell are we talking about? We're talking about motherfucking Lil Bo. We're about to say damn. So let me ask you, right?

This big controversy that's going on right now with Trick Daddy saying that Beyonce can't sing. Right? Yeah. We got to start there. Because you being a singer's singer, you're like, I can tell you went to church. Like, you know, it's throughout that whole thing. What do you hear when you, what do you think of when you hear people say that about the queen, Beyonce? It's the audacity for me.

Okay. Like, if you don't sing, you don't have no room to tell who can't sing. If you don't like something, then you can give your opinion. Oh, you went straight in. Okay, hold on.

Nobody asked. No, period, because I had this, honestly, I had this conversation a week ago with Trina. I was like, what you think about people automatically putting you in that

because that's your people? She was like, no slander for the queen will be accepted. Right. You feel me? It's just certain things. Beyonce is our queen.

So us as singers, us as artists, we have seen her push through since she was, what, 14, 15? Rocking heels on the runway with the stilettos,

dancing from group to now being a mom to being a solo artist to flying in there. Nobody does that in music. So you are going to respect that.

If you don't like the way she's saying don't listen right period but but i believe what he was trying to say is like because betty right it's like like um um that's like she's the vocalist yeah rest in peace to her yeah so is he is he when he thinks that is he comparing betty right to be honest is that's what he's doing because how can he come up with that i have i have so much with like how he tried to he never he never backed down. He stood firm in his opinion. That's trick that he did.

But he was, yeah, everybody knows trick. But he was trying to say like Whitney Houston and he named other names, Anita Baker, Gladys Knight. Beyonce is not that type of artist. Like she can go there because she's done the movie like Ella Fitzgerald. Where, did she do Ella was it uh Lion King yeah when she yeah when she sings like she can give you that but she's an all-around entertainer we've never seen Anita go up in the air and sing upside down we've never seen Anita do the booty hop we've never seen Whitney Whitney can sing she came straight from church and that's

what she was but from a singer's perspective if you honestly have ever been in any of their presence you can see they have different styles like me and her don't even sound alike so there's a lot of people who could do what you do but you can't do what they do and vice versa so with that being said since he doesn't sing I understand his opinion but let's just be real and let's be honest this generation if I ask my kids right now my oldest is 18 my youngest is five. Have you ever heard of Anita Beck? Who that? Right.

You feel me? They know who Beyonce is. They're not going to know who a Betty Wright is. So it behooves us to be like, okay, this is y'all Betty Wright. Well, this is my Betty Wright. So honestly, yeah, it's the generation. This generation don't be caring. So let me ask you.

Definitely don't be caring. From you at all. My kids don't care. They don't even caring. So let me ask you from you at all. My kids don't care. They don't even care about me. Your perspective, what does it take to be a real, true singer from your perspective?

There's gifts and there's talent. Okay. And then there's people who just get by. Because like, let's just be real. There's a lot of people,

in my opinion, I'd be like, they can't sing, but I won't say it anymore. I used to say it out loud. Because the auto-tune? Auto-tune saved a lot of motherfuckers' lives?

Auto-tune honestly saved the music industry. Because there's a lot of people who can't even rap on beat. Who can't even rap on the note. You know, on beat and on key. Because people be, you ever see people, they'll sing their, they'll rap their song, and then when they get live, you be like, why is you yelling?

You feel me? Put your hands up like, I can't hear you. It is what it is. But auto-tune honestly saved the music industry. The sound has changed since I came out. I started touring in 93, 91. Wow. I was still in high school.

So my uncle took me on tour. So that's where I got to learn sound and tone, pitch, control, all that stuff. Because I be thinking I could sing and he'll call me and he'll be like, what's that diaphragm doing? Because don't get out there just hollering. That's technical. But yeah, so the technical part of singing, there's only a couple of people who get it. And it's

not even your throat or your diaphragm. It's what you hear and you have to think about what you're going to do before that sound even comes out your mouth. And R2 was before T-Pain because it was being used in studios. Going to the 90s.

People was using vocoders and stuff, which was a former Auto-Tune because you plug it up to a keyboard and a microphone and it actually balances out, you know, the note that's supposed

to be correct. Because if you turn it off, it don't be sounding like that. Did you see the actual documentary where T-Pain is saying that Usher killed the... No, he told them. Oh, yeah. There's the actual documentary where T-Pain is saying that Usher killed the... No, he told them.

Oh, yeah. There's an actual documentary that goes with it that says I am pop. And the guy who invented autotune is on there. And he said it was because he was recording his boss's wife. And his boss's wife knew she couldn't sing and said, I need... I swear to God, it's on the... No, it's true. It's on the scene.

She said, I can't sing, but I want to look like I can. Right. And he made autotune for her. Right. And people automatically think autotune, auto makes you sound good. It doesn't. Right.

You have to have somebody that's a skilled engineer know how to balance it out because there's melodyne, there's vocal align, there's so many things that people just automatically, oh, they're using autotune. And I'm like, I use-tune because there's sometimes i'll be like okay i have a strong vibrato okay so i don't even know what that word means vibrato is like the then when you hear people but some people be like and i'm like oh no so auto-tune it's like pitch correct it's auto-correct so how how you type in something, they type it in to give you a suggestion.

This is what you should use. But the blessing about what I have is that I don't need it, but I use it because I realize of the sound. But whatever they correct it to, I can still do it with my voice. That's a gift. It's a tool in the toolkit, basically.

Yeah. If you have a saxophone, if you don't oil it, what it's going to do is it's going to be squeaking. But even when you used the auto-tune, you never used it live because that's like

a whole different skill set. Yeah, I always use like reverb or a little delay live because it's something... Those plug-ins or those things were created so you can still have that feel. Because if I'm singing

in this room, the acoustics on it is gonna make you feel something. But if I'm singing in the dynamic or we're singing in a dome, the sound goes up it's not going to sound the same as in here so those things were created by people by mastering people sitting in front of computer all day saying okay this is the sound I want to I want to captivate that same sound as if we're

still here so have you ever heard there's a difference between a dry mic a rapper's mic and a singer's mic I always tell people I do a lot of shows with rappers to this day. And I'm like, don't make my mic sound like a rapper mic. They don't use reverb. They don't use auto-tune. They don't use delay. Or they use sound check. They don't go to sound check.

They be yelling. Make some noise for rappers. Period. Oh, my God. So, okay, let's take it From the beginning Right when we google you It say you was

Born in Long Island Yeah But then you moved To Baltimore No I was born and Raised in Long Island Between Long Island And Southside Jamaica

Queens Wow So my dad joined The military After that We moved to Texas Atlanta North Carolina

Cause he's in the military That's where he's in the military? Yeah, Army. Okay. So I'm an Army brat. So from that, like, I literally been on tour since I was 13. Wow. So, yeah, it's been up. So that's why when I got into the music industry,

it really wasn't as much change. I'm used to moving around. So I've been everywhere. And, like, the final stop was in Fort Meade, Maryland, but it's right outside of Baltimore. I was just like, yeah, I'm going to just rep Baltimore. That's where I've been the longest. New York was where I was born and raised.

That's where I honestly got, I would say, my grit and my hood from. Then I moved back to New York after that. From there, I moved back to New York to go to hair school. I was going to Long Island Beauty School but

I had got the call, right before I got the call from Missy I was on tour with Gangstar when it was, when they did Jazzmatast. Wait a minute, she just flopped. No but she dropped two things, Missy and then Gangstar. Yeah, so I was touring like after like from the Gangstar tour, I took over in D'Adavra. Wait, what was you doing in Gangstar

tour? I was singing in D'Adavra I was singing in Gangstar. I was singing in D'Adavra. What was you doing in Gangstar Tour? I was singing in D'Adavra in Portsmouth. I want to trust you, baby. Wow. I was young. My dad decided what mission to live in there. Okay, got it.

Yeah, I was outside. Oh, okay. I was outside. Okay, okay. So I toured there. Like, I sang His Eyes on the Sparrow and Keith's

Rest in Peace to Him, his living room. Wow. And he was like, you want to go on tour? I was like, yep. You know what she said, Keith? Yeah, not guru.

Yeah, she's not guru. Because he was guru when it was to go in too? I was like, yeah, my best jacket. Yeah, not guru. Yeah, not guru. Because he was guru when it was him in Premiere, but when we did Jazz with Taz, he was Mr. Elam or Keith. And Jazz with Taz is amazing, at least the first one for sure.

He did too, right? He did, yeah. I think he did say it right. Wow. So when it did come to make it. Did you know this?

That she was on it? No. A lot of people didn't know. That's crazy. You fucking up my hip hop heart. You know what's crazy? It's like, because Suge,

that was my security Big Shug Yeah Big Shug Oh wow So to this day We still hit each other Be like yo that's crazy You always said

What you was gonna do So I went overseas with them I was hyped up Had a passport Made me come straight Out of high school And hair school So you were 17, 18

Right Shoot About 17 Wow So then after that I started doing hair Bra braiding hair in Queens. And I was at Valley Stream Mall one day. I was at the mall. OK, OK. And yeah, I got I had a beeper. And that's when Missy had they had beeped me from a lecture.

It was like Missy wants you to call her. Now, mind you, I'm still ratchet. OK, but what version of Missy is this? I can feel the rain. Yeah, because it was right before Hot Boys. So that was like 98, because I believe we did it like 98, 99. Then the floodgates opened. What did she hear of you

that she's reaching out? Some songs that I had referenced for artists, because I was getting placements with electric. Because you're writing for people. Yeah, so they had like Michael Speaks Idina Howard it was when like when they had like that

that's when you could they say the who's looking list so I was submitting songs but I was like none of these motherfuckers is getting placed but then I later found out this is what

one of the producers told me they was just like you have to dumb down your singing because you're singing too much it's intimidating to artists it's intimidating to artists so I was only getting placements

at that time on like Gerald LaVert and like those type of artists. So I'm a younger working with Gerald LaVert. Who can match your vocal tone you said. Exactly. You were doing more than a reference. You was doing the singing. Yeah but I was just like yeah because I'm like come with it. Ain't no sense in me just singing it

regular and then you beat me on it. You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day if I do the record it might be a chance I might have to keep it because I'm still, come with it. Ain't no sense in me just singing it regular. And then you beat me on it. And then, you know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, if I do the record, it might be a chance I might have to keep it because I'm still an artist. But I wasn't signed. But I was just like, I knew what I was doing. Have you ever did a record for somebody, and then they did it, and you was like, you wish you took it back? Uh, I honestly.

Is it time for shots? And don't get away from the Missy conversation. We're going back to the Missy conversation. No, it's all right. I recently did a record. I had to go back and do my part over because I was like,

my son told me, yo, Payne got out on you on this record. You got to go do your part over. Oh, wow. So yeah, you're not going to,

you're not going to do it. You know what I'm talking about? You gave a record to an artist and like, you know, wrote for them or referenced for them and they didn't do it

to what you wanted them to do? No, I was always the person that, hey, we gave somebody a record we want you to sing they part over wow that's how i got on i cried like it's a it's a whole i mean it's it's some history it was never anything i did that like because other than that i wouldn't give it away like i'm real strategic and particular about songs that like

you have to be those are your babies that's that's your That's your job So you can't just give anybody anything It don't work like that There are some songs I be like That I had to vocal produce for people And I'm just like I'ma just go ahead in there And sing it for them So that's happened

You watch The Chi? I saw like a little bit of it My mom watches it So I don't really watch TV that much Damn I know You don't stay home? You don't be home?

She's busy, man. It's not that. It's just so much going on. I'm back on my glow shit. I'm trying to win. So unless they call me to be on it, I really don't really... No, it's a great show.

No, I know. I saw the line up. It's something that... A question I asked you, did you ever have a record and give it? Because you know what we always say. We always say, that's my baby. Like as artists, we always say that's my baby. But every now and then, we'll give have a record and give it because you know what we always say we always say that's my baby like as artists

we always say that's my baby but every now and then we'll give away a record and be like damn that's my so in a shot this lady gave away

her baby but then the last episode she wants her baby back that's why I asked you that question okay moving on no go back to Missy let's go to the movie

that's what I'm saying here's the records what records is she hearing do you know it was some references I did and she told Merlin Bob to tell me to call her. And so when I was finished getting my nails done,

I remember looking at my beep, and it was a 212 number. And I knew 212. You know what I mean? Green Acres Mall. I was just like, that's a check. That's the money. That's the money. Yeah, that's the money.

So I was like, hello. Rick Brown was like, Marilyn, I want to speak to you. Marilyn gets on the phone. He was like, Missy wants you to call. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. Nigga, I'm in Green Acres Mall getting my nails done. Why would Missy Ellie want me to call her? He was like Missy wants you to call I'm like get the fuck out of here Nigga I'm in green I just want to get in my nails Then why would Missy Ellie

Want me to call her He was like You have something That you can write the number down We ain't have cell phones We can just say What texted to me So I had to find a pencil

And I wrote it down At the pay phone And so I called her From her pay phone And she was like Hold on hold on I think she might have been In her Lambo or something

And she was like Let me turn this music down She was like Hey yo Do you want to go What exactly do you want to do I'm like First of me turn this music down. She was like, hey, yo, do you want to go out? Like, what exactly do you want to do? I'm like, first of all, is this really Missy Elliott? And then after that, she was like, can you come to the city today?

I went to the city, and the rest was history. Like, literally. I was always, I just always just know to be on go. And that was Missy at a lecture. She was at a lecture at this time. And that's where you eventually got signed to? Yes. Okay.

So how does that happen? All right, you and Missy go in the studio and record records? Or what is this? OK. First I go in there and I sing a Whitney Houston. I think I sang Saving All My Love For You. Oh, so you wait a minute.

You auditioning for Missy almost? No, what it is is because sometimes you can hear somebody on a record and be like, let me see how they sound in real life. Let me see how you can be loud. See, that's how them singers be the other singers. Yeah. They be mean to the other singers.

Because Missy can really sing. And so she was just like, yo, I'm about to go on tour. You try to go. And I was like, yeah. And I quit beauty school literally right on the spot. Right, right. I was like, fuck them. I ain't going back.

I told them I was going to be famous anyway. Did it shot time? Did it shot time? Yeah, my mind is good. Because now we also, hold on. Let's make sure we finish the Missy thing. OK. But we also, we've interviewed people for five, six,

almost six years. And I always study people's drinks. So you're a Riesling person? Yeah, because hard liquor just don't... And beer. And she,

they requested beer. They requested beer too? Really? Yeah. Okay, but let me stick on a Riesling right now because I'm ready for a shot.

Now I like Prosecco. No, no, no. I can't stand Prosecco. Oh, I can't stand Prosecco. Like, I'm getting grown You can't just How about you mess with Whisman Angel? Nah, because I just

Like, if I'm going to drink something hard I got to go all the way hard It ain't no in-between Like, the other week I drank a whole thing of Don Julio I was hyped up I hadn't been outside in a year And I don't even remember

Like, I was home And I didn't even remember Going through the TSA, period Like, I was like How did we get back in Baltimore? You got Riesling, but this is a time that we praise our artists. So we have to give you a shot. What shot would you like to have?

I'm going to have to put some Riesling in it. No, no, no, Riesling. Come on. You got to get a superwoman shot. I'm going to have the summer watermelon. That's what I'm talking about. Listen, I'm not going to lie. And I need a bottle of water.

This is my shit, the watermelon. Okay. That's watermelon, yeah. You never had it? No, I never had that one. Okay, listen, I'm not going to lie. And I need a bottle of water. This is my shit, the watermelon. Okay. That's watermelon, yeah. You never had it? No, I never had that one. Okay, yeah, there you go. There you go. Look at that. Look at that.

Look at that. We are set up. This is ladies first. Goddamn, we got the superwoman in the goddamn building. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Like Floyd said, did they pay?

Yeah, yeah. Salud. Salud. Come on. Dale, yeah, yeah. Salud. Salud. Ah, ah, ah. Come on, dale, cabrón. Salud. Mmm. Ooh, that's good.

Yeah, it is. Because I don't like when alcohol tastes like alcohol. Yeah, me neither. I don't like it because that makes me feel like I might have to go to a place. So what was your drink of choice? What was your drink of choice before recently? Casa Amigos, Domino's. I'm not going to lie,

you keep naming the hardest call of the hardest hit. That's what I'm saying. It's like you either got to go all the way to the top or ain't no,

let me just get a little right there. No, you got to go hard but that Casa Amigos will put you on your ass Amigos. Right, okay. With some Amigos.

Awesome Amigos, period, for real. So you and Missy, do y'all actually go on tour from there? Yeah. We went overseas, the whole United States tour, and we did Hot Boys in that interim.

Hot Boys. Yeah. Yeah, Joe. She was like, yo, this is about to be out of here. And I believed her. She believed in me. And the rest is literally history.

Then after that, like... Now, when you was on a lecture, that's Sylvia Rome a lecture? Yes. Okay. Sylvia Rome, Merlin Bob. Okay. And how was that? Because, um, I've never got to work, I know Sylvia Rome, obviously, but I've never got to work with

that sense of woman power, you know what I mean? Like, even when I got to work with Mona, Mona wasn't the Mona that she is now. I worked with her at Violator. Me too. Yeah, that's right, I know. So how was that? Because I don't think I've ever worked

with a black woman CEO. Yeah. And especially with now that's going on right now, like how we all proud to be. Like how was it, you know, working with that black girl, Badger? Okay, so me coming from

not knowing the industry to being like literally placed in the the upper executive hand like they oh sylvia wants to meet with you and then i go in her office and i'm thinking i gotta sit like this she'd be like yo your shit is fire and i'm like yo okay i get it like you know i was thinking that the executives have to act all like stuck up and sick. Like Sylvia Rowe, yeah, it was. It really was because my thoughts of the industry

and when I actually got into it, I was just like, wow. Did it make you feel more secure? It did. Because you had a woman CEO.

Because she's a real black woman. Right, right. Like she don't play like, I realize now what I should have realized then, like she really had my back.

Wow. Because I was running around doing so's to everybody and she was like, yo, like what are you doing? These motherfuckers ain't your friends. You know I got to ask like, she really had my back. Because I was running around doing shows with everybody, and she was like, yo, like, what are you doing? These motherfuckers ain't your friends. You know I got to ask you, like, you really had your back. So at one point you thought she didn't? I thought she didn't.

Okay, how? Because people would get in my ear and say stuff like, the production company. She should be doing this. Yeah, oh, she should be spending money. Why are they only putting out this song? When are they going to believe in you? If they spent this on this, da-da-da-da.

Oh, because you not light-skinned it was all of that and I'm just like yo when you start hearing that and you don't automatically I'm like dad she keeps I keep on getting unlimited car services she put six hundred thousand in my account so I'm balling right now I was literally what 21 years old she sent the bag Wow for reals and she sent the bag. Wow. For real though. Make some noise for Sylvia Rowland. Yes. One thing about Sylvia, she has no problem. Like she's the one,

like everybody else, if you get signed through somebody else, you have to wait for the clearances. Sylvia say, send it over. Burt Bedell's like, they sent it over.

Burt Bedell's that accountant. Between Sylvia and Slim, they're the only ones that I know can literally make a phone call and the baggage released. Cash Money Slim? Yeah. I was about to say, so you've got a good, literally make a phone call and the baggage release. Cash Money Slim? Yeah.

I was about to say, so you've got a good, because a lot of people be having bad stories with cash money. So you have good cash money stories? Yeah, I do. Paid on time. Yes, always. And got paid. And shot like bad videos and got paid. It's like I can understand where things go, but you have to know who to, you have to know how to handle your business.

You know what I'm saying? Like I was signed to them. Boy, it was Merlin Bob did a joint venture with uh them it was called round table at that time wow i don't remember this okay yeah it was because they were doing like side they had the cash money classes with tina marie wrestling piece to her and then they had round table they had other deals that was going on so the the blessing and i think the reason why i don't really have any war stories is because they respected me as an artist number one. Number two is it was literally right around when Katrina happened so the

label shut down anyway so it was almost like I didn't even have to do anything but shoot videos and then they just let that company dissolve so I was like I didn't have to go through any foolishness but I got to work and do shows and stuff with Wayne.

So I got the benefits, worked with Manny Fresh, got to work with Baby. So the checks, it was running up. So I'm not mad at it. And to this day, still, the respect is there. Right. That's dope. Now, when I Googled you, this is something that probably got a little crazy for me, right? Not crazy, not crazy.

But it was like, as soon as I got deep, they put all your husbands, right? They put your husbands out there. What husbands? Yeah, the way you said that. All your husbands. They make a noise for no husbands.

What husbands? But they actually put their dates and the time of... And I've been wondering when did they get this information? Who is the Wikipedia Google God, Wizard of Oz

that knows all this? Because there be some shit and I be like, what the fuck? I ain't even remember that. It's somebody that... Somebody remember that. Big Brother,

maybe it's the goddamn government, the feds, you know, the feds is watching. What the fuck? But yeah, I saw that too.

Right, right. That's crazy. How did you feel when you seen that? I was just like, it don't exist in me anymore. Anything pre-pandemic don't exist in me anymore. I handle my business. I realized that was a time, I can admit, and I take full accountability of, I didn't know how to separate the artist from the human.

Wow. So the person from the persona. Wow. Meaning yourself. Yes. All right. So Little Mo from the persona. Wow. Meaning yourself. Yes. Right. So Little Mo, there's Little Mo

and then Cynthia. I got lost in it. Yeah. And there was a time where I think that they meshed together and I should have never allowed that to happen.

Period. I had just watched Mary J. Blige on my friend's show The Breakfast Club. Yeah. And Mary J. Blige said for years

she didn't know her worth. Yeah. She didn't know her worth. She didn't feel worth it. So how could, has it ever been a time where you felt like that? Hell yeah. Really? So you could be on the cloud, you could be getting all this money, all these shows coming, everything is running up, but then

you sit back and you just like, they could really be just trying to give me anything. And something like that recently happened, I think those are tests, because then it just like, it comes comes to say let me see if we can still get you and i'd be like nah i used to didn't say no i literally used to pop up to everything and oh yo so-and-so have the part i'm outside yo so-and-so want you singing this all right i'm gonna send the vocals but then i realized wait i sent the vocals back that same day why is taking them so long yeah we're going a different direction i'm like'm like, man, fuck you and your direction. I have a direction.

You feel me? But then I realized I was literally taking things personal. And my team literally broke down to me and I was just like, yo, this is business.

Stop taking it so personal. So once I separated those two, that's when I knew it's up from here on out. Okay. Well, we're going to jump into quick time with Slam. We're going to do it immediately.

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This is good. All right. All right, so this is Quick Time with Slime. It's called, obviously, it's called Quick Time with Slime. But all it is is we're going to give you a multiple choice. It's just two. It's just two. You just pick one or the other.

Now, if you're going to pick both. Lee, get a shot ready already. If you want to pick both, it's cool. It's cool two. It's just two. You just pick one or the other. Now, if you're going to pick both. Lee, get a shot ready already. You want to pick both. It's cool. It's cool. You got to take a shot. And we just figured out recently, if you say neither or two, we got to take a shot. All right?

But the good thing is we're taking a shot. If you pick one, I win. Yeah, yeah. Nobody takes a shot. Yeah, no one takes a shot if you pick one. But if you pick both because you sincerely mean both, then you got to take a shot. But the good thing about it is we're going to take a shot.

Yeah, we'll take a shot. We're not going to leave you out there. Okay, I'm going to say something. I'm going to be the one. I'm going to be the table. You can get mine ready. I feel like number two is going to be the one.

Oh, my God. All right, y'all ready? See, I'm telling y'all it's a new week. Y'all going to think y'all going to be the one. Wait, y'all ain't got no drink, champagne?

I'm going to hold. Oh, shit. We got to invest in that. We got to invest in that. We got to invest in that. We ain't know. A Missy can blow on your face if you want. You know what? It's a COVID ban.

Let's do it. Yeah, I don't know. In Miami, it's never been. Hello? It's called Dominican Bay Breeze out here. All right. So you ready? You ready, sis?

Yeah. Nas or Jay? Like far as? He's got a picture of him. Whatever you want. No, no, no. as... He's got pictures of looks. No, no, no. Whatever you want. Whatever in your mind makes you decide. Remember, if you want to be politically correct, you can take a shot now.

It's okay. Okay. Okay. See, you got to give me a breakdown. Like, if it's the looks, then everybody knows Nas is a snake. What's more important to you in your mind? As far as business, Jay.

Okay, all right, cool. No shot. Like, Jay is a freaking genius. All right, Ja or 50? As far as what? Whatever in your mind.

50. Okay, oh shit, I wasn't ready for that one. All right, Fab or Jadakiss? What? Whatever you want. 50. Okay, oh shit, I wasn't ready for that one. All right, fab or Jadakiss? Fab. Okay. What is that called? I know, what is it, Mela?

Melodyne. Melodyne, yeah. Or what? That shit sound like autotune. It's the same thing. It just depends on the engineer. Melodyne. All right.

Missy or Trina? Take a shot? Nah I would say Missy Cause Trina would say Missy too Okay Because Missy like Helped a lot of us She literally Sojourner

Truthed us in this motherfucker Okay that's fire Yeah Beyonce or Lisa Keys? Beyonce Okay 90 I mean 90s hip hop Times 2000s hip hop That's fire. Yeah. Beyonce or Lisa Keys? Beyonce. Okay. 90, I mean, 90s hip hop times 2000s hip hop.

Wait, what's the 2000 hip hop? Because honestly, the cutoff was about 2003 when it started getting shaky. It's true. Okay. Because if we talk about MC Lyte, I'm a rock and a hip. So maybe say 85, 95, 95 to 2005. Then I say, because I didn't listen to the 80s, that hip hop, hip it and the hip it. That really wasn't my twist. So I would say like when MC Lyte, D-Nice and like.

That was the 80s. Yeah, 90s then. 90s on over to now. All right, cool. These two you got to take a shot for. New York or Baltimore? Baltimore. Oh! cool you you got these two you gotta take a shot for New York or Baltimore Baltimore oh I love New York but Baltimore just different okay you gotta take a shot for this one you got Michael Jackson or Prince like see y'all have to be more specific

but I would say Michael. You would? Yeah, man. Yeah, because Michael used to, like, he wore the glitter stuff. He always did stuff to stand out. Like, Prince got some. Prince wore his ass out to stand out. He did.

Let's just be clear. But they both got to the point where they was telling us what was going down. And then soon after they was telling us what the real was, they did. They were more conscious than the brothers with the beads. When you think about it. What, the ones

that be yelling outside? They be super woke if they need to go to sleep. Hello? I know the vibes. They was smarter than the boys. They was. Michael was telling us earlier.

And he was buying everybody's catalogs. Yeah. And they was like, oh, you can't do this. He was like, oh yeah, I'm going to buy your whole life. He bought the Beatles

freaking catalog and the Elephant Man's bowls. How did he even know they was for damn sale? Wait, how do you even buy that? How do you buy that? And it was in Google, like, oh, the Elephant Man bowls. What did you just say? Is it for sale somewhere?

The Elephant Man bowls or bowls? What is that? Bones? I don't know. I think the man. Bones? He had bones. He died.

The Elephant Man. He bought his damn skeleton. It was the Elephant Man in real life. And Michael bought his bones? I mean, yeah, like Carnival Dude, yeah. Yeah. Really? Like the famous, yeah, it's the famous. They say he bought it his It was an elephant man In real life And Michael bought his bones Like Carnival dude Yeah Really Like the famous

They said he bought it It was at the house What was it worth I'm sure he had more than that I don't know He probably got shit My old wig I don't know

Like but Eddie Like who was the one That came to him Was like Michael So we know you did Thriller And we just going over The royalties for that But they have the

Elephant man bones for sale You can think about that Like who introduces that conversation? Period Okay Usher or Chris Brown? Chris Only cause Usher threw that money And Usher said that about the auto-tune and then used it

Wow Like Oh so after Gotta be So after he told T-Pain that No the minus is right here After he told T-Pain that he ruined music, Usher used the auto-tune? For real? This is facts? No.

One thing about Twitter and social media, they'll pull the receipts. Wow. And so they was like, wait a minute, Usher, this you? That's when they do that, this you? And oh my God, when he did, let me love you down. That song, auto-tune all through it. But you never know what the engine is using on your vocals anyway. The only people that's honestly flawless, it's rare.

But when you miss. That one you know, though. Yeah. That record. That was definitely. He was going to let it go. He knew what it was. Right.

Okay. Radio or podcast? Podcast. Wow. Yeah, because radio is so political and they be capping. I think radio used to hire me just so they could fire me to say that they fired me. Podcast. Podcast. Wow. Yeah, because radio is so political and they be capping. I think radio used to hire me just so they could fire me to say that they fired me because I really ain't used to be doing nothing. Wait, wait, wait.

We're going to get into that. We're going to get into that. Okay. Pharrell or Kanye? Oh, my God. Now, give me a shot. Yeah. Because Kanye's a master, but Pharrell's a genius.

They both genius. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. You ain't got to explain yourself. Don't worry about it. Oh, my God. Let me drink some water first. Damn.

Damn. Mr. Lee. I went too far. No, that was me. That was Mr. Noreen. No, no. I ain't going to play. It spilled. This shot look a little enhanced.

Yeah. I'm going to do a half. You think it's Casamigos? Mm-mm. That's some of watermelon. it off. I'm going to do a half. You think it's Casamigos? Mm-mm. That's some of watermelon. They're going to have to send me a pack. That's going to go for real. You're going to hear it right now.

Okay. Okay. Hold on. All right. DMX or Tupac? Hold on, hold on. I like that. It's certainly... Yeah, because X had... Cheers. Hold on, hold on. I like that. It certainly was.

Yeah, because X had an impact because I knew him in real life, so he was definitely a vibe, and his presence is still felt. And even though I worked with Pac, but never met him in real life, post-humans, I got to work with him. Wow, that was my next question.

It was just like I literally started getting tattoos because I loved Tupac. Wow. So, yeah. But you met X, obviously, so you had a relationship. Yeah, worked with him. We did shows together. But you say you worked with because I loved Tupac. Wow. So, yeah. But you met X-Office. You said you had a relationship. Yeah, worked with him. We did shows together.

You said you worked with Tupac, just never met him. Yeah. I never worked with him or met him. I did. He did the two. Yeah. He has like, yo, if you ever get the chance to go to his house and like he has videos and footage before all that was like really the wave.

Right. And I used to watch videos like he would have like videos of nate everywhere out there golfing like shit like he was like filming people before it was cool and he has documentary worthy footage of stuff and you just sit there watching like dad like what made you think of this he He's a freaking genius. Wow, let's pick him up. Yeah. Respect or loyalty? Respect. Okay, I respect that.

Cardi B or Nicki Minaj? Nicki. Is that personal to them? No, nothing personal. Nothing at all. You're not gonna ask. But like,

if you, like, that's almost like saying, because Nicki blazed the trail. She's, she's a legend. She's been out, like when you give in, like, how many, like, she's almost like saying, because Nicki blazed the trail. She's a legend. She's been out. Like, when you give in, like, how many, like, she's been in the game.

Right. Yeah. And she's been through things, and we got to see it. And she set a tone. She set a standard. She's a spitter. Go. She all go.

So I get it. It's honestly totally different artists. You've met both artists Nikki and Cardi yeah okay yes who's nicer to you everybody's real cool with me anyway nobody ever really like I met Cardi when she was uh doing still doing love and hip-hop so I was doing radio today and she was like and we were just doing radio at the time Baltimore I mean not Baltimore because we was um Baltimore it was between We did Baltimore And I did DC So at that time

I think I was at KYS Okay Yeah Alright Major or independent? Indie But that's only because I was major before

So now I would say go major Learn a game Then go indie I can get with that So I don't have to take no shot? Nah Oh god Jesus We not T for MC Lyte I can get with that. So I don't have to take no shot? Nah. Oh, God.

Jesus. We not T for MC Lyte. Take the shot? MC Lyte, the reason being, because when I was in high school, I used to think I was liked so bad. Okay. So once I met her, I was like,

yo, I literally told her I wanted to be you so bad. And the love, I just love. What was your favorite MC Lyte song? When you say you love me it doesn't matter it goes into my head and it's just chit chat you may think it's egotistical and just worry free but what you say i take none of it seriously and what that's when we used to have to write out the word you couldn't google it so yeah like mc light okay that's honestly one of my biggest like this one i don't know this is up in the air. Kim or Foxy? Jesus.

Honestly, hold your shot. I'm going to take it anyway. Because I'm a person, I go by my own opinion. That's it. Honestly, I'm going to take my shot because I'm going to say both.

Right. Because had it not been for them, there would not be a lot of females that are doing what they, like when Kim did the crouching pose, oh my God. Wait, you're talking about her album cover? Yeah. She broke down barriers. Right. That was a no-no back then. Like, oh my God, you're trying to... She broke down barriers.

When she had her boob out at the MTV Awards, Misa styled her. Oh my God, this is causing controversy. It's always controversial when a black woman does it, but it's so chic and cool and acceptable when other races do it. So she broke down racial barriers that we wasn't doing. Foxy was spitting like a nigga when she came out.

Girls wasn't spitting like that. Like I go back and listen to her all round. She was going toe to toe with dudes. So I respect that. She was in high school. Goddamn. Make some noise for that. Salute.

So you got to respect it. Now tell us something, right? Us being men in the game, right? I had Talib Kweli stand here. I was sitting in the same chair that you're sitting in. And Talib said to me one time, he said, sometimes we're male privileged. And I had never heard of that.

He said male privilege. And he said, well and he said male well basically with male privileges we don't understand sometimes what the sisters go through we don't understand what women go through in hip-hop in the music business and entertainment period so can you shed some light on people like let's just say we're just coming under a rock we don't know nothing what are some of the things that you're going to have to face as a female in this entertainment? First of all, if I would have came here and I had on makeup on, oh, this bitch just anything. If I would have came here and my nails wasn't done or at least dressed nice, oh, this bitch just wore anything.

Really? Like, so it's a standard. And honestly, I just think that the aesthetic. And I literally wore anything today. Literally. I literally wore anything. That's what I thought it that the aesthetic... And I literally wore anything today. Literally. I literally wore anything today. That's what I thought it was for. Anything, anything.

Yeah, I literally did that. So I'm sorry. Holy shit. Fuck y'all. No. But really... We're women. And as a black woman...

So you mean to tell me you judged all day? Like, you can't go to the pharmacy. You can't go to Dwayne Weed without... Thank God for the mask mandate. Oh. Because if we can't go to the pharmacy. You can't go to Dwayne Reed without... Thank God for the mask mandate. Oh. Because if we didn't have to wear masks,

they would expect you to wear a full beat and be slain and snatched the whole pandemic. Right. Like, in the airport, how they made a whole bonnet controversy.

Niggas wear do-rags all the time. It's not about a female do-rag. What the fuck you mean? Sometimes I run out with my bonnet, I'll be like,

oh my God, I forgot. But I don't want my edges to be unlaid. Like, literally, before I pulled up, I took my scarf off, because I'm like, if I go in there with this on, if somebody sneak a picture, they gonna be like, oh, this bitch just anything. So people just say whatever they want about females. Males have the privilege. They don't have to go to sound

check. I think that's rap in spirit. I'm pretty sure R&B dudes do sound check. Men are allowed to like, now it's a standard where, you know,

a lot of people they want to walk around bust down from the wrist to the ripped up, like now everybody want

to look aesthetically, you know, correct. For women, if you just had a baby, they expect

you to lose that baby fat the next day. Because there are certain people just like, damn, how she have a baby and she don't even

look like it. Let you come out and have a baby and a year later your body is still holding on to that weight or that stress or that postpartum

and you have a breakdown. Oh, this bitch crazy. Everything will be held against you as a female in this industry. And I can attest to that because I've dealt with it. Have social media ever got on

your nerves where it's like you didn't want to... Is there any rumor that was spread through social media that wasn't true that got to you? I used to realize that I would react to everything. I think it's my Napoleon complex. One thing I do is

I accept all... How do you know you got a Napoleon complex? Because I'm 4'11". I know I do. My therapist, like, and that's what it is. Oh, Napoleon, I'm fucking a book, all right. Napoleon of the short dude. You're making it introspective. Yeah. No, that was all.

Because I know what I'm short. I always know that my personality has to be big. So when I enter the room, I'm just like, my whole way is, how am I going to get out this motherfucker? And I have like a Davis. You go, you ignore him. You ain't got to do anything like that. Oh, no, no, no.

All right, cool. But you know, like, you ever walk in some place, you be like, I don't know what the vibe going to give. I already knew what it was going to give it here. Like, y'all family. Right, right, right. But there's places I go, I'm like, like, what? Like, what does it give it?

So I don't know what I'm going to have to do when I get there. Where's these places you hanging out, Mo? Come on, like, where? No. It could be. Sometimes it be high up places, but you don't know who trying to line you. Right, right, right. This is real.

Like, people will try to get you there just so they can clown. Or they'll pay you to come somewhere just to be on some bullshit or they'll pay and they're just like yeah we're gonna keep on pushing it back like nah the fuck i have an ocd complex as well it's like if i'm late i'll literally have a mental breakdown they'd be like calm the fuck down like stop acting like that but i realize i've learned how to overcome some of my insecurities what they call them but i just like no it's just certain things that I've dealt with all my life. What's your sign? Scorpio. Scorpio, what month is that? November.

Me, Puff, Drake, E. My mom too. People think that we're weird. We're just misunderstood. Hey man, I want to ask you, man, you calm down, alright? You're a Scorpio we don't like, alright? No, but Scorpios, I just feel that everybody wants to be a Scorpio because we think for people. So, I just feel that everybody wants to be a Scorpio because we think for people.

So I've never gotten to anything or seen anything on the Internet. There were things that I've seen that I'm just like, I don't even go with that person no more, deal with them. So it'd be old stuff and I'd be, or people would be like, yeah, well, what about that time? I'm like, bitch, that was two years ago. You still thinking about that? Bitch, I don't have a whole nother, I have a whole nother life now. Like, and I know that people love to live in the past, but I don't live there no more. So if you're still there, then I'm not there anymore.

So I used to react to everything. People would say stuff and I'd be like, bitch, we'll pull up, send Natty, we hunt you down. And that's weird because... Wait, that's you saying that to people? Yeah. Yo, you got to stop that. You were wilding out.

I used to. You were wilding out. Yeah, I was wilding out. But honestly, that's when I was getting high. So, you saying that to people? Yeah. Yo, yeah, you got to stop that. You were wilding out. I used to. You were wilding out. Yeah, I was wilding out, but honestly, that's when I was getting high, so you know what I mean? So you telling me there used to be people on Twitter, I'm assuming. Twitter, Instagram.

Because Twitter's like the most evilest slash greatest place on earth. Yeah. Because you can use it for great things. I battled a whole school on there. You battled a whole school? This one girl said something, and I joked.

Because I come from jokes. Okay. You do the dozens or something? Yeah, and then the whole school jumped This one girl said something, and I joked. Because I come from jokes. Okay. You do the dozens or something? Yeah, and then the whole school jumped me, and I was just like, yeah, but look at this bitch that go to y'all school. I just kept on pulling that. One thing I've learned is like, when you get in your... I'm around all comedians a lot from Cat Williams, like just a certain people. So it's like, that's all we do is joke.

But I realized that people can't take a joke. Right, right. And those people, they don't know what... Let me just tell you, you're also petty. I am? Like, that's all we do is joke. But I realize that people can't take a joke. Right, right. And those people, they don't know what... Let me just tell you, you're also petty. I am? Yeah, because I'm a petty president. And you described a lot of my nature. So what y'all used to call it?

Jonin, joking, cracking, snapping. Bagging, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we snapped. So I'm thinking that, oh, if they follow me, they know what I'm giving They know what vibe I'm on So when I realized People was getting offended

Like why would you say that And I was just like Damn like But they were school kids How old were these kids They was in college I don't never mess with Nobody's kids

Cause I don't play with People's kids I don't even play with my own Like it's just certain levels You know what I'm saying But if you're on the internet And you come for me And you're a kid

I'd be like Put your mother on the phone Because if my child did that I'd be be like, don't you disrespect no adult. I don't play that. I don't like that. That's where I draw the line. But you never know who's who behind that phone. Yeah, you don't know.

But you can pretty much tell when they try to say something. Oh, that shit corny. You a kid. You feel me? But I had to get out of that because that's like a defense mechanism, which I realized was a part of my complex. Because I always felt that I had to defend myself. So I realized, stop reacting to everything. because I always felt that I had to defend myself so I realized stop you know reacting to everything ignore why do you care you feel me so that's also generational because if you're pre-social media you're gonna act like it's in

the streets yeah because like we literally me and Missy we would sit in the studio we used to joke like all day that was like soon as we get there we'll work in between but it was just like I don't know goddamn so in it would just like just keep going and going we would joke for hours but begin hit records done so that's what I was used to so when I thought I was sharing my personality I realized people were taking it personal and that's where you know you you got to learn how to join a line and realize everybody's your friend and everybody everything ain't funny Was hot boys came up with drop

Before put it up. Yes. It was like literally right. It was like a domino effect Okay, once we did hot boys didn't put it on me did everything came. Okay So how does how do you get this call for put It On Me? Is it Seven who called you? Is it Ja Rule who called you? No, it was Irv. It was Irv? Okay, so describe the score. I was in... Was I in Baltimore? Baltimore, North Carolina. I was somewhere

and I got the call. It was just like, listen, his album's already done. So I had already did I Cry. You did I Cry first? Yes, the album was done. The album was out. Even though Put It On Me came out first, right? Put It On Me was already on the album.

Okay. But the word and the way that I got it was like, after they did, I think the song, I think it was Every Little Thing

That We Do. I think it was that one. The big records. And I think DMX was coming out. It was like, Def Jam used to be a machine, but if you ain't

sell a certain amount, they will drop or shell your ass. Because here's how I kind of kind of thought of it and um you tell me every little thing that you do was out before pretty um putting on me yeah okay I didn't remember that yeah I continued it all right so that was that was a single that was uh running around him and Christina Milian but I guess it was it was um it was like dying down. And so Irv was just like, yo, I need you for this record. The record is done, but, you know, I need you to come up. We was at Right Track Studio. Duro was the engineer.

I said, everybody get out. Duro was the engineer. Young Guru, you know what it is, young Guru, little Duro. Yeah. It's up. I went in there, and I literally didn't write anything down. I started, I was like, take me from the top and I'm going to work my way down. So I started off with the intro and I sang in between.

And like, I literally did it like homework. I started from the top. So you mean to tell me when you walk in the studio, they don't have this already laid out for you? No, they didn't tell me what to say or what to sing. Like that wasn't referenced for you? Yeah, a lot of people, but that's how I work. It's just like, play me something or play me a beat. I'm going to do what I do, and I'm going to leave.

I'm going to kick everybody out the room, because when I'm in my space and in my zone, and I know that it has to be a hit record, like Missy taught me that, too. Don't let nobody in it, because if you were working as a school teacher or if you worked at FedEx. Scientist. Yeah, nobody can stand over you.

Whatever works for you. But some people, you're having a million people in there, and my anxiety, I'd be like, can y'all please get out, because if I mess up.. But some people, you're having a million people in there and my anxiety, I'd be like, can y'all please get out because if I mess up. You know why I like that? Having a million people in there

because I started writing rhymes in jail. You see what I'm saying? So yeah, it's horrible. So I was used to noise. I was used to like, you know, I don't know if you ever seen Malcolm X. Institutionalizes.

Malcolm X said he used to sit down and look at the light and he would read. I would do that too but I would read to write rhymes but if you at jail at night

when you write your rhymes it's the most awkwardest sounds ever but it's chaos so you'll hear a dude oh and you'll hear a dude like

I miss my mom and you'll hear a dude jerking off and you're like yeah it's just crazy so many so I got used to,

and first of all, I used to have to write rhymes to the radio station. I didn't have beats in jail, so I would hear a radio station, I would have to write my rhyme over you. So I got so used

and accustomed to that, that if I have peace and quiet, I'm not at peace and quiet. Right, that's your zone, that's your zone. So your peace and quiet is chaos. I need actual chaos

to have peace and quiet. It's horrible. If I hear someone, I'll be like, what's going on over there? I can't focus, but I've learned how to focus, but I don't want nobody in there because if I mess up, I just feel like I'm shrinking. So it's just like, you know, literally less is more for me. And it's crazy.

Put it on me happens. You go to Right Track and Corner Studio with the gold door, 47th Street. Because Duro had his own room. Because Duro had his own room. God damn it. So we all are going there. Go ahead. Go, go.

So I literally had to do the song that day. And then they scared me because they was just like, oh, okay, well you can't leave yet because Lior is coming. Wow.

And I had met Lior previous to that because I was going to sign a def jam. Tina Davis and Kevin Louse brought me in. Big up Tina Davis

and Kevin Louse. Tina Davis at Empire right now. Kevin Louse at 300. Salute both of them. So it's, and you're still in the lecture

at this time, right? Yeah. Yeah, I was on a lecture at that time, but I remember Leo came in and he was standing there and he was just like,

like, you know, he's, he doesn't give you expression or emotion he's man of little to very little emotions he said it's a way he looking hip yeah he's like this is a fucking that was it and literally once we recorded the record earth was ahead of the game whether Deb J was gonna prove it approve it or not he was already on the the Skytel J was gonna prove it approve it or not he

was already on the the Skytel texted all the PD's I'm about to sing your record so Dural Mix it then we sent it out he was like you ready to be the fuck out of here I'm ready to be the fuck and after that the floodgates open so Hot Boys already introduced me to the world put it on on me, gave me the world. Right. So, wow, that was hard. That was hard. So, at one point, you and Ja Rule had some discrepancies, right?

Yeah. Is that before I Cry came? No, you said I Cry was recorded prior to that. But I think I seen you on 106 and Park

one day, right? And I think it was a G unit type of thing. And I think you kind of, am I correct? You're right. That already sounds crazy.

Yeah. And I think what you accused them of was, you said that they didn't pay you for the record. So they didn't pay you for the video or something like that. I don't remember what it was. They didn't get paid for anything. Wait a minute. What?

Not even publishing though? I later got 2.5%. Later? Yeah. You 2.5%. Later? Yeah. You had to fight for it? Yeah. Okay. But that's why God makes no mistakes.

Yeah, so I did the record and the album was already done. Put it on me, I cry. Okay. I cry is cool. I got my right percent. Okay. But Put It On Me winds up taking off. It had, it had, did so many weeks on 106 and Park and Number One.

People were accusing because they said, Def Jam be paying for Number Ones. But they were like, no, we can't fake a Number One here because you have to actually call in and they have to tally. Like with the radio station, when you get requests, you have to literally keep a log of it or else you could get in trouble. So we were Number One so much that they had brought us on to retire the record. And I wasn't trying to be...

Was it the first time they retired or did other people retire? I think we were the first. Okay. Soulja Boy voice. We was the first to retire a record

on one of the six albums. Soulja Boy. That was hard. So we retired. We literally had to retire because people were... Other labels and people were complaining

like, how come we can't never get a number one? It's just like, nobody wants your record to be... Y'all are not getting that many calls. So I'm thinking. Go ahead, pour your little bit. I was thinking like, ooh, this record been out, that shit going to be crazy.

I'm going to have a, as Martin would say, a woo, woo, woo, woo. Woo, woo, woo, woo. And when it wasn't a woo, woo, woo, woo, I had began to inquire and I'm just like, well, what's up? I didn't charge a fee for it I drove up there on my own dime this and that but what I see now is if you don't handle your admin that's why I'm really strict

and the label well the independent label that I'm with now the faculty music group we're real strict like we'll have the song literally I have the song in my phone but until we get the clearances and the splits are agreed and all the paperwork is right, this record will be the light of day.

Because you have to be, you never know what song will be out of here. Right. Or, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't handle my paperwork, but after that,

I learned to, like, oh, yeah, I'll sing on your record and I won't even charge your fee, but I'll charge a higher percentage and higher points.

So just get me on the back end. That's what that means. It's just like, well, instead of three points standard, just get me on the back end. That's what that means. It's just like, well, instead of three points then just give me four or maybe five. Which is longer paper in the long run. Period.

It's forever. Yeah, because a lot of times people will try to give you an advance or artist stipend or, you know, a fee and then they don't want to give you no percent. Like they want to buy you

out of the record. Yeah, be like, no, I can't be bought. So what exactly happened at that 106 Park thing? What was being said? If my memory shows me correctly,

I remember we were introducing a video and at the end of whatever it was, I just said, G-Unit. Right. And I didn't know

they was going to keep it. I thought the mics was off and they kept it and I realized, oh, shit. Here we go. But let me just give the back story.

I didn't honestly know the premise of what was going on between them. Right. But you did know they was at odds. I did. You didn't know how serious it was. I didn't know how serious it was because before I did Put It On Me,

before I did I Cry, I did Somebody's Gonna Die Tonight for the Romeo Must Die soundtrack with Dave Bing. Bing? Dave Bing, B-I-N-G And he was He was with Murder 8

So that's how I got to Be on Romeo and Was Die So anytime that movie plays Like I'm just like Woo The admin was great on that So I thought everything Would be right

But it was something That happened at the video set And I remember See I know 50 Before he did Had a rock And it went like Around that time

My homeboy Barry We was writing songs And my homeboy's He, we was writing songs and my homeboy's, he had a joint in Jamaica Estates. So, we wrote a song called Fugazi.

Right by the way, it used to be a White Castle right there. So, we was writing a song called Fugazi and this was before he was shot.

And so, he'd be like, this my homie 50, yo, he about to blow, he got, matter of fact, he just did how to rob

and I'm just like, yo, you dope. We did songs on the spot. And after that, the situation happened. And, you know, I wasn't never involved. One thing I realized is don't get in grown men's beef. Be a lady.

I knew that enough. So when stuff was happening, I'm thinking, oh, this is just industry stuff. Ain't nothing going to happen. But it was real. So I inserted myself in something that i had really no business and i said something i think on hot 97 one time that i used to uh fill in for star and buck wild wow and i filled in and i said something i did three things you should never do against uh uh i think it was like whatever it was i said and the last thing was never ever put out a diss record against i think it was um somebody

had tried to diss Eminem at 50 whatever it was and I got a call from Mona Scott and Chris Lighty and Sylvia Rowe was just like be a lady don't join in the men's beat that don't have nothing to do with you and that from there I was just like all right bet because I thought it was you know industry beat that we labels are being cahoots and be like, all right, it's gonna end this. But now, we're getting into a part where it's just like, this is stuff that don't have nothing to do with the industry, and it don't have nothing to do with you. Mind your damn business.

Goddamn, six of notes for that. Goddamn, make some noise for that goddamn. That's good, come on. So. I still got some of mine left. How did you and Ja fix that? Because here you go, you got this great relationship,

put it on me, I cried, and then this 106 and Park thing happened. But what was crazy, like, I think what it was was before the 106 and Park thing happened, I remember we was,

I was touring with them. Because, you know, as an artist, sometimes in the music department, we're cutting you off. As an artist, sometimes we don't know what the label do and don't do.

Like, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So, like, when I saw that, I immediately knew. I was like, I don't think she understands how busy he is and he's not even paying attention. Yeah.

So, was there ever a conversation, like, you calling Ja Rule prior to that and saying, you know what? They didn't pay me on this. No. Now, once I realized he didn't even know. Right, okay. You know what I'm saying? Ja would be the last one probably. No. Now, once I realized he didn't even know. Right, okay. You know what I'm saying?

That was... That would be the last one probably. You and me. And I realized, but he even put out a diss record on me and then I put out...

No, I know. Yeah, and I did a Who Shot Ya? I was like, I did a Who Shot Ya? Then we started going out and... What?

Yeah, I was saying some crazy stuff because I used to really want to be a rapper but I just could sing. So it was just like, oh, y'all think y'all gonna talk crazy about me?

You must not know my hand. You were an orange jumper. Hey! No, this is a piece from my friend's boutique. So because, didn't y'all do the video on Baltimore I Cry? Yeah, we did that in Cherry Hill. That's like real. The hood.

It was a shootout as soon as we left. Oh, God. Like a 14-year-old old was walking we got y'all like wait he has a gun oh my god whose kid is this you know what i'm saying but that's when i was just like baltimore really had my back but before that it was just like i'm just running around hyped up doing shows and i was like wait i mean i know y'all paying for flight and hotel but you ain't put them but which would have i'm going to tell you this. Nobody ever knew this. They would say that they was just on promo.

So me, promo is just like, okay, I'm out promoting my single. We're not getting paid. We're just getting travel stipend. By accident, a booking agent sent me his deposit. By accident. Wait, okay. Who are we talking about again?

Ja. Ja, okay, okay. Okay. So you're on a promo run with them. Yeah. But obviously when they're saying you're on promo, it's not Jha saying you're on promo. Not him.

It's the label. It's the label saying we're on promo. Okay, continue. That's what they were telling my management. So one day I get a FedEx and I open it up and the joint was for like, it was other, was it? It was advanced for like four shows. So it was like $50,000.

So that means he was getting $25,000 a show. And this is a check or this is cash? Oh, okay. Wow. So I'm getting phone calls and they like, hey, I think we bought,

no, I called them and I'm just like, I got a check here but it's not to me. Was y'all supposed to send me something else because this is $50,000 advanced for four shows.

That means $25,000 a show, four shows, $100,000. Where's my, like, where's my, I called the meanwhile you're doing shows for free 99 but your bus is taken care of flights were taken care of and hotel yeah and per diem you said okay yeah but i was singing two songs i was performing my heart out so the agency called me back and was just like wow we've never had this mistake in all the time we've done bookings.

Can you void it and send us a copy? I voided it and I sent them a copy. They was like, your honesty is what's going to keep you in this industry. Wow. And I was just like, let me call and see. So y'all are getting paid for shows. That ain't none of your fucking business. And I'm just like, uh-huh.

Okay, who's saying that's none of your business? Well, I spoke to, I don't know who, at that time I had a different manager. Okay. So I'm just like, Your manager's telling you.

You don't know who's saying it directly. Yeah, so then she speaks to whoever and they just like, well, we had already had a show booked and I remember, I think we were in Chicago

at a label and they was like, well, y'all don't have to fucking come no more. Say no more. One thing about me is if I feel uninvited or you tell me I ain't got to come there no more, I ain't showing up.

Like, I'm not going to beg nobody. That's the Scorpio on me. I'm not begging you for shit. Bitch, I'll sleep outside before I beg you to come inside. It's just certain things. That's my pride. So you're telling me someone from Murder, Ake said... Well, that's what the management came back and told me.

We were in the middle of the airport. It was like, well, y'all can go home. But it wasn't my fault that y'all were getting paid. We weren't told. So we were in the middle of the airport. I was like, well, y'all can go home. But it wasn't my fault that y'all were getting paid. We weren't told. So we were doing MTV spring breaks, BET spring blinks, doing all of these shows.

And I'm just like, damn, like, I'm thinking the bag gonna run up. I still got bills. I still, you know. So at the end of the day, that's when it dawned on me

when Sylvia Rose said, these, a lot of motherfuckers ain't your friend. So I stopped going on the road and then it was a hiatus between me and Ja talking because it went from us being like brother and sister to, you know what,

I'm just going to be brother and sister with the people that I know that ain't never do nothing shady. But then I later realized you honestly don't know who it is or who it was. But how did we reconcile? Yeah, how did you?

I think We had a show together And it was just like, damn You know what? I saw his kids getting bigger And I'm just like, damn I was there When all his kids and my nephews And my kids were big

We want to go with Ja Rule. How did we let this industry come in between that? My nephew literally, he just turned 23. He'd be like, I don't want to stay in your room. I want to go with Ja Rule. And he would literally come get my nephew so he could go chill with them. And I'm like, oh, damn. But, you know, they're smoking marijuana.

Reefers. Reefers. Reefers. But it was just like, you know, how did we let anything come between that? Like, we was, you know, we was tight. So I'm like, you know what? Whatever I said, I apologize because I really didn't know what was going on. And maybe you don't know either.

I'm almost sure. I don't know. I've never asked him. But I'm almost sure me knowing him, he didn't know as an artist. Like, as an artist, we blind to a lot. Yeah, because he was running around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was high as hell, too was high as hell too yeah yeah sometimes the label was doing some crazy shit they was and then i realized you know that was heavy ecstasy days heavy ecstasy days i was and

i was one of the ecstasy heads i was running around so it was just like oh okay we thinking people that are in position are going to handle our paperwork and do stuff but just looking back i was just like for me and and my soul, for me to put it at rest, because I don't understand how somebody could beef all their life. Like, if you want to take that to your grave, and we don't know what's going to happen in the afterlife, if you have to literally stand before Allah or God

or whoever you serve, and they say, the only thing that's keeping you from having everlasting life or perfect peace is because you're holding an art against somebody that really if your life limb or property ain't in danger anymore why are you mad at this person it's just like you know what i it wasn't affecting none of my business or my hits i was affecting it so i got to the point was just like yo i apologize because i ain't mean that shit i was i was i was, I was one of them days.

Bitch, my career could have been on it. It could have been anything. And I was talking shit. But I'm honestly, I'm one of the first R&B artists to talk shit. Like,

I used to be talking shit to niggas. I don't know where that came from, but I think it's my accomplice. I really would talk shit to niggas. Right.

I'm going to tell you something. I was on a tour, I think, with Ja, I was on a tour with Ja, no, I think with Ja Rule, but I was on a tour with Ja Rule. No, I think with Ja Rule, but I was on a tour with Ja Rule, and one of the illest moments I've ever seen in my life was him look to the crowd and say,

I want y'all to say, I cry. And then this crowd say, you cry. And then this crowd say, we cry. And then he didn't even say we're going to say that part together and he came out there and he was like, I cry you cry we cry

and then he just went like this and I said I need one of those records yo, that's we were in a stadium and I looked and I said Holy Motherfucking

Do you know how big Cause I'm gonna put it on me And put it on me It is big But have you ever seen When he When The end song

The Well I don't even have to When you have a hit record You don't even have to sing it What I do is like Alright We're just gonna go to this part

And y'all know what to do. And I literally stand there, and people sing it to the top of their lungs. It's an anthem or a school song. That's going to be the best feeling in the world. It's the best feeling in the world. And that's when I realized I had to let some shit go, because when you know your part is the one that people love, run with it. To this day, to this day, people have messaged me and be like,

turn up the record, DJ. Y'all ain't got Little Moe's part be like turn out the record DJ y'all ain't got Little Moe's part playing I'm like but y'all do they was like why the fuck do a part of or a version of

Put It On Me exist without Moe I'm like well that was on the album they later striked it on the album you did say that yeah

but people like I don't want to hear it without you so it's just like I realized there was something in my voice or my gift

made room for me that when you hear a song without me on it you don't want to hear it without you. So it's just like I realized there was something in my voice or my gift made room for me. That when you hear a song without me on it, you don't want to hear it. Because it don't make you feel nothing. The wind from your causes. Where did y'all film that video at? In, I think, West Palm Beach or Florida. You're supposed to say Miami. Miami.

Miami, the M's. But I remember that whatever it was, I believe it was West Palm Beach or Florida. You're supposed to say Miami. You're supposed to say Miami. Miami. Miami, the M's. But I remember that whatever it was, I believe it was West Palm Beach. I know that once the sun goes down, the town shuts down. So they were like, we got to get this shot. Hype Williams was like, we got to get this shot because it's like an all rich town. No, there's another side of West Palm is hood. Yeah, that's West Palm. We wasn't on that side.

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Because Twitter is like the most evilest place on the planet, but it's also like the most smartest place on the planet for some people. Twitter is. Twitter is. And when I said place on the planet, but it's also like the most smartest place on the planet for some people. Twitter is, Twitter is. And when I said, anybody got questions for Little Mo, they said, how does she feel that she basically put Fabulous on? That's what they said. Yeah, everybody always asks me that. Why do they think that?

Do you think that? Well, I know that before we did Superwoman, he was like on all the mixtapes. Yeah, but that was his first radio record, right? Yeah, that was his first first over hit record. And he was also signed to Elektra at that time, too, because. A little bit after. He got signed after Superwoman. Wait a minute.

So you got him signed. OK, continue. And then Desert Storm got their imprint deal or whatever, their label deal through Elektra. But yeah, Clue had all the mixtapes on lock. Because it says Superwoman 2, the remix, correct? Yeah, because it was a Superwoman Part 1. And that's why I did the Beanie Sigel beat.

And I can't wait to see that battle. But anyway, we'll talk about that later. No, don't call her. We got to call her. We got to call her. Take a shot. We got to call her. We got to call her.

Because, woo, you might have jumped out there. She might have loved it. She might have loved it. You got to call her more. No problem. No problem. I'm going to drink to that. I had to drink to that because when I said I was like, oh, it's up. No, you know that's my bro. Yeah, beats.

That's what you were saying? Go ahead. So what was the beat? Part one was what? What was the beat? Stop. Chill. I used Brian Michael Cox did that beat.

Right. So I did a, you ain't got gotta look up in the sky for us. And Jermaine Dupri was like, this shit is a hit. But we sent it into a lecture and they was just like, the song is too cocky, da da da da da. And I'm like, I mean, I'm cocky. Superman one. Superman part one.

Because I was like basically saying, you ain't gotta look at these chicken heads, you ain't gotta look anywhere else. There's a difference between me and these girls. And they was like, well we don't want anybody to get offended or think that you're taking shots at them. I was like, I don't even know nobody in real life, but Missy Elliott, and I'm not talking about her.

Like, are you kidding me? So I did Superwoman Part II. I was in L.A. with Clue working on a record because we had did songs with B2K. Like, Clue and Dura produced yeah so you heard that young girl we did uh a song with a girl an artist that was on Dreamworks because they cut checks her name was Kanayla Cox and we had Dreamworks that was Steven on Spielberg record label yeah right okay and Drano was cutting checks he was from LA he was a street

nigga he'd be like I want 50,000 for a song And the motherfucker Don't even come out Hey I don't care Day checks Clear So um We were doing the song

And We were doing the song And the session was over There was two hours left But Clue had to get back To the east coast For his Monday night mixtape And I was still in LA

And I was like You got two We ain't wasting this two hours And we ain't just sitting up here So I was like, you got two, we ain't wasting this two hours. And we ain't just sitting up here. So I was like, hey, play me a beat. He played me the Superwoman beat. He was playing beats.

He was like, I think you should do something like this. And I was like, I don't like when people tell me what to do. This is Clue. He's playing beats. So he plays a beat. And it was just a da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da. And I was like, I want that. Because that sound is so annoying. I want to annoy people. But when I put my vocals over it, that shit going to go. And I was like, I want that because that sound is so annoying. I want to annoy people,

but when I put my vocals over it, that shit going to go up. He was like, I can't give you that beat, sis. That's for M.O.P. Ooh. Wait up, wait up, wait up, wait up. Did M.O.P. have a version of it already? Yeah.

He did the beat because he... You're going way too fast. Hold on, we're going to slow you down. Y'all didn't do a remix already with M.O.P. on in that. I was like, how about some hardcore? Yeah, we like it raw. This is so great information. That's crazy. This is stuff people would never know.P. on in that. Yeah, yeah. I was like, how about some hardcore? Yeah, we like it raw. This is so great information.

That's crazy. This is stuff people would never know. You need more of this. So you're telling me Superwoman, Superwoman, two,

part two, original beat for that song was made for M.O.P.? For M.O.P. Whoa. You killed, like you said, you killed it so much

I can't even think about it. And trust me, M.O.P., I'm a big M.O.P. fan, but now that I hear what you did to it, I can't even fathom them rhyming on that. What was crazy was it was literally just a da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It still stayed Brooklyn, right? Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And the beat was dum-dum-dum.

But I sang over it so that every day, I sang that there was no chords and no keys. So I had to sing that. I told them, I said, drop the music. Tell me how many beats per minute. So Duro edited it out, but I would have to, I was like, every day. I was snapping my fingers singing that, and I had to stack my vocals. So we later had some musicians come in and play the bridge, the strings, and then add those keys on it. So if you hear the original beat to when it became the TV

track, you'll be like, you could tell I was around Quincy Jones in them. Goddamn, nice clothes. Because I see the question. Nice clothes. Nice clothes. The wind from your applause. No, but it was just like, was for M.O.P.

So I did the song And I sent it to Clue We had the Delta Dashing His was the craziest thing Delta Dashing Remember those days? Yeah I'm showing my age

Why would you put M.O.P. And Fab on there? Okay So the thing is Was With Fab I'm always listening I used to be a mixtape

Head Right And Clue's like Who do you want to get Because by that time I had worked with Missy Ja Jay Fab, I'm always listening. I used to be a mixtape head. And Clue was like, who do you want to get it? Because by that time I had worked with Missy, Ja, Jay, everybody knew my name. Who do you want to get on it? I was like When you say Jay, we're talking about Jay-Z. I could have had M.O.P. on it or anybody.

And I was with Elektra, so it could have been a check, but my budget was basically tapped out, which means that I still had money on the back end, but I didn't want to use all the money because I knew they was going to hit me in the head. So you're saying Fab is cheap. No, he wants to leave out. Fab is cheap. I don't even know if Fab is cheap right now.

I just put in that. I haven't even met Fab by then. But it was just like, listen, once we put this out, I know they're going to be like, I know Duro's mixing fee is going to absorb that. So I know Jay-Z is going to charge $100,000. Missy is going to charge me $200,000. M.000. Missy's going to charge me $200,000. And M.O.T. is going to charge me $400,000 for the disrespect for taking their record. So wait, they already knew that they had that record? Or are they going to find out now?

I don't know. They might be finding out now. So Clue was like, so who do you want to get on the record? I think it would be dope with a rap. I said, the boy that spelled his name on all your records. He was like, Spizz? I'm like, yeah. I'm like, he's records. He was like, Spizz? I'm like, yeah.

I'm like, he's dope. He was like, oh, that's easy. Text him and Fab and he was with, he wasn't with Skank.

He was with Webb and Cheo. Him and Webb came to the studio with yellow do-rags or chicken boxes and Skytel pages. So I'm thinking like,

he's going to come in there and be in this big old. I'm sorry, I don't know what chicken boxes is. Chicken, like, it comes in a box with chicken and french fries. You talking about real, I thought it was a slang. Oh, what do y'all call them? Real chicken boxes? They came in there with food.

Okay, okay, okay. So me thinking, oh my God, he's on all, he was all in the mixtapes dancing, rapping, spelling his name. I don't think he's going to come in there with all these slick-rick jewelry on and wilding out. He came in there with just him. Yellow do-rags. Yellow do-rags and chicken box.

And I believe maybe street fam. It was like, I'm just like, oh, y'all didn't come in here with 100 people? So I'm just like, so you ready to do your part? Because I'm going to go out and let you do your thing. He's like, oh, I'm ready. Oh, okay, let me move out your way. So we were at Right Track. I leave out.

So he comes back like a couple of minutes later. So I'm like, you finished? He's like, yeah, so before we push play, I hope you don't mind, I did a little something in the intro, and I did something at the end. Oh, so you're just working above and beyond. So soon as I heard da-da-da-da-da, he was like, little M-O. I was like, oh, my God, he spelled my name at the beginning. So he was like, I guess I ain't got...

As soon as I heard his voice and what he said, I was like, you've got to be kidding me. What was his first couple of lines? I forgot. I guess I ain't got no reason to mingle round. I found a superwoman that can leave from the truck in a single bound. Mommy, I'm trying to bling you down. Some niggas without shades on can't stand when I bring you round. She put her lips

on the weed still pulling to work her tongue and make me come faster than the speed And bullet my love stronger than a locomotive, but only for the F-A-B-O-L-O You better sing to me ma Yeah! How did he know? So then when he's like oh here go the end parts, so I'm like where does it come from? Then after the bridge

And he was like the superwoman might have saved my day. The skios, I would have gained some play. Now he wouldn't even wave that way. I understand why the mother chicks behave that way. They see the ICS on your chest engraved in gray. Be whipped, he might, because usually with them things he type, but only green he keep from me. His kryptonite, the way that blue and red fitting on your hips so bright. I'd be like, da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da, damn.

I was like, we're winning. We are going to win. I was so excited. I was like, da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da, damn. I was like, we're winning! We are going to win! I was so excited. I'm like, how did you know? I didn't even have to say, well, maybe you should tighten it up. And I was like, we out of here. Elektra didn't want to put out the record because they didn't feel like nobody knew who he was. So Clue played on his mixtape.

And then after, well, the Monday Night Mixtape on Hot 97, he just kept on going up to it. And after that, they was like, oh oh my God, this record is a smash. So I literally saw him go from them. We had a... So basically you say you put Fab on. Let's just make some noise. Commercially.

Commercially. Commercially. Because it went from oh, da-da-da-da to... Oh, shit. Why is Ja Rule calling me? I swear to God. Who answered him?

I did not. Answer the phone. Jaru! Just stop being a bully, yo. Yo! Who told? Hold on. We on live on Drink Champs.

Lil Mo is here. Hey! Oh, shit. Hold on, CZ. What's happening? Yo. What up, sis? What's good?

Chillin', man. Just up here talking about the good old days, how we mirrored it back from, you know what I'm saying? There was a time where we went from the top and then we went through something, but I, you know what I'm saying? It got to the point where we get older and you get wiser and you realize I took accountability and apologized for just jumping in something that ain't have nothing to do with me.

Oh, I love you, Mo. You know what it is, nigga. Aww. Oh, we got a drink test moment. You know what it is, nigga. Aw. Aw, we got a drink test moment. One, two, three. Aw. You know, Nori, sometimes I be getting rattled up in shit that ain't got really nothing to do with me, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We always do, man. We always do. That's a part of being our job. Our job is consistent fuckery. You know what I mean? Hey man, hey man. This is where I hang up on you right now. I'm going to hit you back.

All right, brother. Make some noise. It's just where I hang up on you. Yo, that's crazy. By the way, we're going to address the B shit later, right? But let's continue on. Mm-hmm.

So where was you at? Boom. Now. Superwoman. First commercial record for Fab. So, okay, yeah, yeah. First commercial record for Fab. And, you know, I was just playing around

but putting them on. But a lot of people say that because as I tweeted out today, which I do with every guest, especially guests that I want to know a little bit more about. I'll say, yo, you got a question or a question too.

And I swear to God, I can show you on my Twitter. Like, it was like, if I had 57 messages, at least 30 of them was like, yo, how does Little Mo feel that she was responsible for the world

noticing Fab is that something that you and Fab ever have a discrepancy like you ever tried to get him back on the record and it wasn't

why are you laughing no no no cause it's like it's never been a discrepancy and he'll even say he said in interviews like Mo gave me a chance you know what I'm saying

and then that opened the door. He's done records with MJB, J-Lo, everybody. Like, he's worked with everybody. And they opened the door. So it's just like, Missy did that for me. So the way you have longevity in this industry is you put somebody in position. And you keep putting people in position. Because it didn't stop there.

So it's like now a lot of the young artists that are coming back, yeah, so you do good, good gonna come back. So whatever you put in the atmosphere is gonna return. So it just didn't stop there.

But Missy did that for me, but there's a lot of times I would say... But you ain't answered the five? What? Ever, um... Front on you?

Yeah. Basically is what you're asking. Well, we did it. After that, we did Can't Let You Go, Forever. Like, we have so many records together,

it's like, we have a whole whole I honestly know that we wanted to do like a Duet like a like a Collaborative album like a do and I know he was like Def Jam wasn't with it Let's do it ourselves But now we have the opportunity now. We all have the opportunity to do it Yeah, so it's just like, it is what it is. But those fans are from, the album just literally celebrated 20 years on June 26th.

So 20 years, honestly, having my first album out, and he was a part of that. We got two decades in. Come on, we got to congratulate him. And here's something I do want to ask you, right? Because when we Googled, and we kept Googling, we didn't expect that you don't have a song with Ja Rule. Wait, what you mean, on my album?

On your album. Is that? That is true. Yeah. Yeah, I think after, like, whatever happened with the fallout, we never, but we have records that never were released. Okay. So it was like that.

That's what people need to hear. Yeah, we have records that never were released. So it was like that. That's what people need to hear. Yeah. We have records that were never released. Or I think it was just because he was honestly the most dominant artist. And there was a time when Murder, Inc. was a machine. Like you was not permeating their go. So it was like label shit that allowed those records to come out. Yeah, it was that.

So now once I'm indie, I have that opportunity. You said permeating? Like when you can't cut through. Yeah, you can't get in. You can't get in. I'm going to use that word. That shit is hard. That was that. So now once I'm indie, I have that opportunity. You said permeating? Like when you can't cut through. You can't get in. You can't get in. Like that was unstoppable. That shit was hard. That was hard.

All right, cool. I'm well versed with the big words. Go, go, go, go. She's a writer. I used to be in Spelling Bees and everything. So it's just like, I know the vibes. After they was permeating, go ahead. You couldn't cut through.

Like they had a run. You wasn't permeating. You wasn't cutting through. Like Irv had that shit on lock. Def Jam had that shit on lock. So it was just like if you was trying to do a female and a male song, you wasn't, if he put out something with a female and a male, you wasn't beating it. He mastered the game.

He had all the PDs names and numbers in his phone and he made them feel important because he would be like, here go the record, fuck the label because they're going to move at their pace. Wow. So it was just like he was always ahead of the game. So wherever the declination came in at where,

you know, things started, you know, falling apart, I don't, that doesn't have anything to do with me because at the end of the day

I was never signed to Murder, Inc. Right. So it was just like, you know that, but you are right, I don't have any songs with him actually on it.

On yours, yeah. I just think that once me and Fab started doing records together, just like a missing attempt is certain people's chemistry, that even though you could have hits with other people, it's just certain people's chemistry that surpassed that because, yeah. So now we got this, music is being handled, but now you do Love & Hip Hop first, right? Wait, wait, wait. Before you get in there,

on Elektra, you did something with ODB? Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Tell us that record. Oh, man. Rest in peace to him.

So, I did Good Morning Heartache. We remade that. And he specifically told Sylvia because he had a relationship with Sylvia that was, like, they was like homies. Really?

So he was like, I want to get that girl on the record, the girl that be singing and stuff. So I'm thinking, like, this is ODB. Because he's a singer inside. Like, you could tell that he was really into soul. Yeah, but you know, coming from growing up watching Wu-Tang and you see ODB, you thinking that, oh, my God. Like, I honestly was afraid to go to the session because I'm like, I hope he don't be in there acting weird.

Because ODB will smack the shit out of you. Like, everybody's like, if you delete, I was in the session. And he said, do not rewind, delete, or do exactly what I told you to do. Because sometimes engineers get comfortable and they start doing stuff. He said, did you record? I've seen him walk out of a session where they recorded over his vocal and he left. But he would have people bring his reels in. They would be on

fucking dollies. And he'd be like, go to reel to reel number three. And they would find it. He would always come in with the sessions with his reels. So we recorded that at the Hit Factory and I was so scared to go in there and sing. But he was like, go in there and sing how you sing.

Don't worry about what I do or what anybody else has done before you. Do what you do. So I did Good Morning Heartache and sang. And he sat there, he was dancing in front of the mixer board like this. And I'm like, well, I wonder if he likes it or not. And they was like, no, he loves it. And it made the album. So that was actually a dream come true

because I was Wu-Tang forever. Yeah. How about Pharrell? Do you work with Pharrell? I've never worked with Pharrell. I think that was a fear of mine because you know why? Because people think Pharrell just do like you're so like what, what, what. They just think

that he was the Neptune but people didn't know that he was writing for SWV. So I was scared back then and I don't think my budget was hefty enough for him but we hosted a Hot 97 float like years ago for the Puerto Rican

Day Parade and we was on there he was just like yo you really can sing and then after that we just was cool and every time I say I'm like what do you

be drinking and what do you take how do you keep looking young you look like a vampire I was like did you join the Illuminati or something?

But he was just like, nah, it's just a favor over my life. And just honestly, after that, like, he's just a cool individual. He never ages. He never like. He's a vampire. Yeah. He's a vampire. I want some of them vampire.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, boom. Now we move on to the reality show. Oh, yeah. So what made you say, all right, yeah. So, boom. Now we move on to the reality show. Oh, yeah. So what made you say, all right, cool. Let me go to reality from here. And then not only reality, but you went to New York, which is like going back to your roots. Yeah.

It's like going back home a little bit. Yeah. Well, maybe even a lot of it. Going back home, but, you know, doing this. What made you do that? Was it a Mona call? Because, like you say, you was violated as well, right? Yeah, but I this, what made you do that? Was it a Mona call? Because like you say, it was Violator as well, right? Yeah, but I was rocking with Mona before Violator.

Well, actually with Missy. She was the one who set up everything. So we'd just been rocking out since the beginning. But I had did R&B Divas before that. So I was realizing that music is changing. And you might think you lit, but it's a whole new world out there. And reality TV was the way. So I did R&B Divas of L.A. and then I got the call for Love & Hip Hop.

It was directly from Mona because it was like, hey, I see, you know, you're working on some stuff. And do you want to tell your story? And because, you know, people know you, this would be a great way to push with what you got going on. And this is after you had had radio yeah because i said i did radio my daughter would be 19 i was pregnant with her when i did radio so yeah what made you do radio like because most artists whose artists you want to just keep sticking to the artist yeah artists and singing so what made you say at one point you know what uh and i imagine you did it in your hometown at first right that was in baltimore okay in in Baltimore, okay. Thea Mitchum was the program director there.

So when I was like, I want to do this show, I used to watch Martin. What's up, radio? What's up? I want to be Martin. I said, they know me up in here. And they were like, man, sit your ass down. But I was pregnant at the time, and that's with my first daughter. And, you know, in the industry back then, if you was pregnant, they didn't care.

Like, now you could be pregnant, busting it wide open, have a baby, come back and do a show the next day. Yeah, you could, they didn't want you to be seen. So instead of sitting at home, I always, I can't sit still. So I wanted something to do. And they were like, well, do you have an air check? I'm like, what's that? Like, what do you mean an air check? They was like, well, when you've done radio before. I said, well, I used to

fill in at radio in New York on Hot 97 for everybody. So is that, So Tracy Clarity literally put in a good word for me, and Jay Stevens and Thea Mitchum gave me an afternoon. So it was the Little Mo Show, and I was number one. Wow. Yeah, just by talking. But I had so many elements to the show.

I literally patterned everything I did after Martin. So we would crank call people. It was really an all-around good show until one day the feds showed up. The feds showed up? To a radio show? I didn't know where this was going.

What the fuck did you do? Yeah, what happened? It used to be so much going on in Baltimore. So two things. One day the cops showed up because remember the D.C. Sniper? Yeah. I was on tour during the D.C. Sniper. That was the Waffle House.

The Waffle House that he shot somebody out there across the street, I had just left there. I swear to God. Forget where it was at. You want to know what's crazy? The D.C. Sniper used to go to a subway. It was the radio station right here, and it was a subway sandwich place he used to go to every day. And they was like, he was so polite.

They didn't know he was the sniper. So I'm like, oh my God, I could have got sniped. You met the sniper before? I met his wife. Okay, get out of here. His ex-wife. So I just felt like it was just a protective thing at that point once they realized that he was in that area. And the second time they came was when the R. Kelly scandal had came out. Okay, hold on. Because let's make sure we go back to the R. Kelly scandal because it's very important to me.

Okay. To you? It's very important to me. My mind's on a note. Okay, okay. Let's just be clear. That's very important to me. The car reminds me of myself. Okay, okay. Let's just be clear. Are we black? Yeah.

We black? Mm-hmm. You thought that DC Sniper was black? At first, no. Yeah, because that's not no black shit. Because he was sniping shit. And he's sniping shit. I don't know black brothers

that got that much time on their hands. That's what I was just like. Wasn't he with a kid, too? Wasn't there a kid? He was with Lee Malvaux. That wasn't his kid, right? That wasn't his kid. He had taken him on.

He was like 15. He was the one sniping shit. The kid. The kid. Like, he trained him. He trained him. He was sniping shit out of a whole. Well, real snipers need the guy on the joint.

And then it's a two man, real snipers need the guy on the joint and then... And they need somebody... Real snipers are too mad. I live in 11... Ladder 2, Ladder 2-4-6. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 11, Ladder 2-4-6. Yeah, and they be like, and the wind chillin',

and the wind is blowin'. Because they was doin' some crazy shit. They was doin'... So you livin' in Baltimore at the time? Yeah. D.C. Sniper, snipin' shit.

Yeah. People were scared to go outside like it was COVID. Yeah, I had a tour in a DMV at this time. I swear to God, I can prove it all. I believe you. OK, um.

People getting shot randomly in the highway. People shooting at the gas station. Like, people was pumping gas like this. I was pumping gas. Like, I was like, yo, I had someone driving me to the station So I automatically said, there's some white people's shit. What did you say? So at first, people thought that. There's some white people's shit. What did you say? So at first, people thought that... There's some white people's shit.

Not only that, but, you know, it's a lot of military bases out there. He did not pop no brothers at first. He popped white people. At first, he was popping... White people. White people. And then he just switched it on the brother, too. And then when they was like, we ain't not going to kill no black people,

and then he popped the kid. That's when it was up. But my cousin was a sheriff out in St. Mary's County. And he was like, at first, they could have been stopped it. How? Because they have aerial stuff. They see everything. OK.

But then once it got to the point where he started, it's almost like the government could do anything they want to do. But why wouldn't they stop it? Because once you can control people by fear, then it's just like, okay. Because they have certain exercises that they do. Like see how people react. Yeah, how they would react. Right.

But he really, whatever was going on, he started invoking fear in the people to the point that nobody wanted to pump gas. Like businesses were suffering and nobody knew

where he was. The economy first. Nobody knew where, yeah. And nobody knew what car he was in. They just kept on saying, DC Snyder, we have a composite sketch.

Nobody knew he was going to Subway and Waffle House. He was going to Subway after he was sniping the olives? We don't know if it was before or after, but nobody knew they would catch him sleeping at a rest stop and a truck blocking him in. And he didn't look like a sniper. He didn't look intimidating. Snipers usually look snipy.

They give him a dirty, scruffy, snipish look. He looked like his name was Keith. He looked like he'd be on the internet all day. He sweat? Yeah. Keith sweat and Bobby Brown about to go at it. Oh, it's about to be up. Who you got?

Take a shot? Take a shot? Who you got? Who you? Yeah, give me a shot. I'm going to tell you why. OK. Because it's about to be up. And then I'm going to tell you who I think between you and me.

Let's finish the sniper. Let's finish the sniper. Then we go to Keith sweat. But the sniper, it was just like I was pregnant at the time. So once people stopped. That must have been scary for you. It was scary because then it's just like the sniper, then we go to keep sweating. But the sniper, it was just like I was pregnant at the time. So once people stopped. That must have been scary for you. It was scary because then it's just like, oh, this thing be over here? Right.

Be over here? Yeah, it's like it got dangerous. And once he started going in areas, that was Towson. That's a money area. Towson or housing? Towson. T-O-W-S-O-N. Okay.

So when he started going into areas that he, people thought he should be sniping in Baltimore. Like, that's messed up. But then once they had a composite sketch, and I believe, I don't know if it was They wanted him to be

sniping in the wire? The wire was already fucked up. The wire would've sniped back. Yeah, the wire would've sniped back. But his preciseness was,

they was just like, they never thought it was a black person. He was ex-military though, right? Yeah. I believe so. But then when they found out that the young boy, Lee Malmo, was sniping, he was like 14 and 15. How do you teach, my son is about to be 13.

God bless him. How do you impress, how do you put an impression on someone that's not your own child to be like, I want you to go out here and we about to change the game. And he never, I don't think he ever physically abused his ex-wife because I did panels with her about domestic abuse. Wow.

And he was starting to, but he never touched her or them kids. Wow. So they were trying to say, what was his motive? So you just out here cool with this,

he's like a wife. He's like a wife, ex-wife. They was just like, he's doing that? Get the fuck out of here. That's what was the motive what was his motive cause he was mad at the ex-wife they was just like he was doing that get the fuck out of here that's what was the the rule allegedly

that he was mad at the ex-wife because that's a terrible domestic situation that's why I'm just like it was crazy so you texted

DC's sniper wife sometimes like y'all just no not anymore we did we did y'all just hollering there's a podcast

I was younger then. So when I'm sitting up here, they was like, yo, this is the lady. That's his wife. And I asked her off the record. I was just on some like, yo, did he ever pop out? But he would try to pop up at her sister's house and threaten her, but he never touched him.

And I'm just like, yo, this nigga's sniping shit. When you say pop out, what are you saying? He was just suiting at the sister's house? No, he never shot them and I'm just like Yo this nigga sniping shit When you say pop out, what are you saying? Like he was just suiting the sisters? No he never shot at the family He was popping people that had nothing to do with anything A bus driver, a kid A lady pumping gas From your understanding he had an argument with his wife

and said I'm just gonna go shoot some other people So he didn't have no manifesto, he had no reason He didn't have no reason, it wasn't like Oh this child support is through the roof He didn't have no manifesto. He had no reason. He didn't have no reason. It wasn't like he was, oh, this child support is through the roof. He didn't say fuck the government, none of this shit. Yeah, so we don't know.

He's like, fuck my wife, I'm going to kill these motherfuckers. And he fucked these kids. I think he got to the point. And your mama too. And your sister. He just got to, he just,

everybody I think honestly has that breaking point. And he was at his. That's serious breaking. That's serious. So like he, is he, wait,

they sniped him out, right? No, I thought he was in prison. I thought Lee Malvo That's serious. So like he, is he, wait, they sniped him out, right? No, I thought he was in prison. I thought Lee Malvo was in prison. The kid definitely, but I think he's out now, right? The kid is out? He was like 14, wasn't he? Nah, we going too far with this shit. Nah, he was 14, he was in the range. Yeah, please, come on, wait a minute. Like something, but it was like, when I say people

in different counties were afraid to pump gas, do you know how imperative it is to pump your gas? And then when you got to peek around and you don't know, because nobody knew. They couldn't find a vehicle, know nothing. The country was scared. Everybody.

Everybody was scared. People thought there was copycats that were going to start doing it. He was literally, he never missed. Right. Yeah, he liked that. So once he killed that kid that was at the bus stop. We stopped talking shit in case he's alive. We don't want to explain.

Yeah, like. I was at the Waffle House that he shot at the gas station. One of those joints. It was either gas station or the Waffle House. We were playing around because we had just seen the news.

It was put to death by the police. Oh, shit. That's what Sayida did, but the young kid, he trying to get out because he was trying to say that he was coerced.

Lee Malvo. M-A-L-V-O. Wow. I be knowing. So we were playing around. I swear to God was coerced. Lee Malvo. M-A-L-V-O. Wow. You have me knowing. So we were playing around. I swear to God, we on tour. We playing around. As we, like, not getting gas.

I know she said that earlier. But I think we were, like, just using the bathroom or whatever. It was like, yo, watch out, watch out, watch out. The sniper. And we playing around with the sniper. We get to the hotel. You know how the tour bus shit? Your tour, the TV don't work when y' we get to the hotel. You know how the tour bus shit, your tour,

the TV don't work when y'all going on the highway. And then once you pull up to the hotel, the internet, and it pulls up and we all just look at each other like, he shot the dude

at the same exact place we were playing. Like we were just playing around like, yo, yo, yo, let's get out of here. And we looked and I pulled up. I was like, oh, shit. Like, we just, we didn't play no more

from that moment on. But it made you think as an artist, like, what if he was at the show? Yeah. Oh, wow. Damn. He definitely shot before the show. It was before that. He was getting away because he didn't get caught after the shoot. Yeah, he didn't get caught. So he might have been at that motherfucker like, N-O-R-E.

He might have been turned up like that bitch's leg. You might have been at that motherfucker like, N-O-R-E. He might have been turned up like that bitch lit. You might have inspired him, man. We need to watch the footage. Cause you'll just be lit. He might have sniped because people think that snipers just snipe and then be

just on a rampage. They chill after that. He probably went to the wildfire and was was like, oh, Norrie over there? I might go check it out. Oh, shit, I ain't got no tickets. You know what I mean? I'm like, you know what I mean? He might pop through.

Go to the last place they're going to expect. They always do. Now, earlier I heard you say you worked with Jay-Z. How was that? And what area of Jay-Z is this? This is powder blue? Next year? Up for parole next year.

Damn, he getting out. They're going to get him out. He's going to do a story. He's going to shoot his ass off. He was underage. He was 14. Yeah, dude, that's like mental abuse. I mean, he need to go through a program for sure.

But where was his parents? I always ask that and I get chewed up. That was his father, right? No. That wasn't his father? There's no relation. That whole time? Wait a minute.

So where was his mom and dad? That's why I'm just like, and every time I ask that, I get in trouble because people are like, why are you worried about where's people's parents at because my daughter is legally grown and i can't even set up appointments they were like well we have to speak to her first before we give you this information so i'm just like i'll be knowing i need to know where the fuck these parents is at because i need to know where my kids is at all time because shit is real right and you can lack if you want to but niggas is catching people slipping, and I would hate to be the one. Like, I don't know if, maybe he,

I don't know if he was like an adoptive son or maybe his godfather, but how did he get it? Yeah, like, how do you convince him? How do you convince a kid? Like, what does he matter? What did he say to him that made him be like, yo, we going out here to snipe shit? Right.

You have to be pretty persuasive and charismatic to be able to pull it off. I don't want nobody to have that type of power over my son. Because it's that easy. Period. So, yeah, what was we talking about? Jesus, nah. I ain't going to front a DC sniper going to come.

DC sniper, he's dead. Yeah, he's dead. He's dead. Okay. But the kid. But there's some snipers out there. That's not the best for him. All right.

So now, Marriott's Boot Camp comes to you. Oh, yeah. Right? Because we were talking about Love & Hip Hop, but between, because Love & Hip Hop

and Marriott's Boot Camp was literally filmed almost simultaneously. It was literally a couple months after because Marriott's Boot Camp had to get clearance from Love & Hip Hop to...

So you was already on a couple of seasons of Love & Hip Hop? I only did one season. Okay. And I was done. I did my bit and I was out. All right. Salud.

Let me get in. Yeah. Goddamn it. Goddamn it. Cheers. Cheers. I'm sorry. So on Marriage Boot Camp, I got to ask you.

Mm-hmm. I believe it was your husband at the time. Yeah, because I'm not married no more okay so there's this footage of him like facetiming or being was that something that the show pulled off or that was this was this was absolutely real because it was no it was absolutely real oh really it was absolutely real and one thing because now i could talk about it because we couldn't talk about it before the show came out, so I had to fake the funk as if we were still together until the show actually aired, but that was back in 2019,

so now I can talk about it. With that house, you're there for like 30 days. Not 30 days, like 28 days. And anything after, they say after 21 things, after 21 tries, it's a a habit but when you're in that house for a week it's almost i wouldn't say jail because i've never been to jail right but when you're in the middle of nowhere you can't leave there's little to no wi-fi connection you have to stand by where that actual scene was filmed because that's where the wi-fi connection is

the house is a dead zone and before you film they keep you in a hotel you can't leave out your room they bring everything to you you don't have no room key you don't have no access to the outside world it's mentally designed to break you down wow because then you get to when your mind is broken it's a real boot camp right and they let you know that and you sign sign off. So I know what I signed up for. But when you sign up for it, it's just like, you know what you're getting into. Right. But I went back to what Mona says is, if you find out what is presented before you, and you find out that it's valid, what are you going to do? Right.

Because how this happens, right? Because you were asleep at the time that he was making this phone call. I was on a whole other side. The house is big as shit. Right, right. You could get lost in that motherfucker. And then sometimes

they cut off parts of the house. They'd be like, oh, you can't, no, you can't come over here because they're setting up scenes. Like, you'll be asleep and you'll wake up and there's a whole

fucking carnival outside. Right, right, right. So with that, I was on the other side of the house. So is it a cast member who tells you this or is it the actual staff or production?

The staff. It's the staff. Actually, Dr. V and Dr. Ish. And I can say it now because they came to me off record. Because when you're filming- You said Dr. who? Dr. V, that's the lady, and Dr. Ish is the black guy. Oh, okay, all right, cool, cool.

I just don't know Dr. Ish, that's it. Okay, Dr. Ish, Dr. V came- But Dr. V was the white lady, right? Yeah. Okay, okay, I remember that. And they came to me, they were like, can we talk to you?

And like when they said can they talk to you, they take you in this white room. And are you automatically thinking that they're trying to start drama or you believe in them all the time? No, they're not there to start drama. Okay, cool.

Honestly, they want you to bring the drama. They know it's only a certain amount of time you can last before the drama's... Like people can sit up there and try to hide, but it's going to pop out. They know it's only a certain amount of time you can last before the drama's like people can sit up there and try to hide, but it's going to pop out because they'll mentally fuck with you till you be like, oh shit. So I was in the house with Soulja Boy and Nia, Jessica Dime and her husband, Tammy and

Waka, Fizz and his girl. Your shit was lit. Shit was lit. so i was in the house with soldier boy but that's like my nephew so i literally got to see soldier boy it's time for you to come to drink chance homie yeah because i got to see everything that went down so i've literally seen a lot of people grow up in the industry and then i got to live in the house with them right and seeing people in the industry and live with them is two separate things. So mentally I saw everybody break down. Right.

And I'm not going to put nobody's business out there. I'm going to talk about me. Right. So I knew what my breaking point was. So they came to you and they show you the footage or they tell you about it? They put me to the side and they bring me, they was like, can you come talk to us? And once they take you in the white room, you know what's up and it's stuck from there. That's when they film and they're going to present you with some information.

Because everybody, you think you're sneaking, but this could be a microphone. This could be a camera. Everything is a camera and a microphone. This could be a camera. So you sit up there, yeah, this bitch, I'll be at her. They got you. Period. The house is strategically put together to catch your ass slipping.

So unless you lay in there like this and reading your Bible the whole time, your ass going to get caught in some shit. Right. So when they came to me, they unfolded these papers. They was like, hey, you good today? Yeah, yeah, I'm good. What's going on? Because we smoking hella weed.

Right. Because you'll go crazy out there. It's the middle of nowhere. Right. And you can't go nowhere. So they were like, we want to show you some pictures. You in Encino? You in Encino Valley?

I don't even know where it is. Okay, cool. They drive you there, and you don't know where the fuck you're going because they'll stop, they'll pull over, and then you some pictures you in Encino you in Encino Valley I don't even know where it is okay cool they drive you there and you don't know where the fuck you going because they'll stop they'll pull over and then you'll get

in a Lambo and then you there's a driver yeah and you're like like the president yeah it's no address plastic like the president

sounds like an ISIS training camp no you can't be like I'm going to send my location there ain't none of that going on or they had a police out there so I just remember

them handing me some papers which I still have to this day because I went through some old luggage. And I'm like, God damn. They unfold, they send me these papers. They was like, do you know who this is? I'm like, nah, that look like a dude. They was like, oh, it's a female. Because whoever it was, I was like, well, the face looks pixelized. What is it giving?

And they were like, are you the only person that your people is dealing with? I said, well, as far as I know, like, how the fuck? I can't even call my kids hardly out here. I have to use your phones to check on my kids. They were like, well, we have reason to believe that he has someone else in his life because he has someone in his phone saved as W-2. I'm like, like as a text phone? As in? Like woman number two?

Like a W-2 form? They said it would say that it's W-2 and I said, I do not know who this person is. W-2, like isn't that a tax form? I was thinking it's W-2. Yeah, it's a tax form. I'm thinking woman number two. Oh!

Or maybe wife number two. Oh, damn. So when they actually, they was like, okay. That's how you know how long I've been legal. I thought about straight legal shit. I'm like, the W-2 form? That's what I was thinking. I was like, W-2.

I was like, well, you know, people on the East Coast, they run scans. Maybe she funneling I like the W-2 form. That's what I was thinking. I was like, W-2. I was like, well, you know, people in the East Coast, they run scans. Maybe she funneling somebody a W-2. Like, we don't do W-2s. We do 1099. So I don't know who the fuck this is. So they was like, okay,

so we're going to give you some time and we're going to give him time to let you know because we've already discussed this with him. So you never know what's going on. So they gave him ample enough time to say, listen, this is what I did. And they caught me slipping.

But because we don't talk in the house, we writing notes. And in the bathroom is the safest place where you can write a note, but don't talk. So he has, yeah, they saw me on the phone with my sister. When I said, I love you. And she said, she love you back. They think it's somebody. I bet. But I'm thinking about the picture, but that's something like a sister.

Okay. So now, now I get into defense mode. So then they take us both into the white room and they're like, yo, so did you have a chance to discuss with you? He starts going off on the doctor. I said, sit your ass down. Don't talk to that man like that because you know

if you hit them, you're getting prosecuted. It's a clause in there. If you touch one of them doctors, you're getting arrested for assault and then you're getting kicked off and you're getting prosecuted. Like, it's a clause in there, if you touch one of them doctors, you're getting arrested, for a soul, and then you're getting kicked off, and you're not going to get paid. Period. It's like,

you already know the vibes. Sit your ass down. Why are you being so defensive? What the fuck going on? We in the middle of nowhere. How the fuck, but if a motherfucker going to do what they want to do,

they going to do that shit underground, up in the air, in the middle of nowhere. Motherfuckers going to do what they want to do. Boom. So, I had to play it off at that point, I'm just like damn like shit I'm out here trying to fix this situation

but I realized that situation even though it's marriage bouquet I went in to fix myself right because I already knew what the fuck was going on and I knew what the fuck it was hitting for but I needed to face the reality that I was allowing my brand to be compromised I was allowing my integrity to be compromised which my dad told me never compromise integrity I was allowing my personal space to be compromised and I was my mental emotional physical spiritual everything was compromised so I needed those 28 days to break me down. Because once I get out of this, I'm up. And it's stuck. And then, like, I really...

Up, then it's stuck. Is that a Cardi B song? Did you keep saying up, then it's stuck? No, we've been saying that for years. Oh, it's up. It's up for you. Up, then it's up, and it's up, then it's stuck. When it's...

You know when it's up, then it's stuck. I heard my daughter say it first, actually. It's up, then it's up, then it's stuck. She was like, yeah, somebody... It's up, then it's stuck. So when it came out with a song, I was just like it is what it is

so after that I realized now it's time to make your way of escape so you can stay and know the bullshit you dealing with and know that it's

actually destroying your brand cause once the you don't know what they're keeping as far as the footage but once it's out there you already know

what people's DMing you and sending you you already know the truth it's time for you already know what people DMing you and sending you You already know the truth It's time for you to face it So me being a woman My parents are about to celebrate August 9th They're celebrating 46 years

Of being married Congratulations It's older than my bed of lies I grew up with both parents Grew up in church Grew up military Like grew up bedtime You know a very lenient home

So what I was doing And how I grew up Wasn, you know, a very lenient home. So what I was doing and how I grew up wasn't matching up. I was accepting things that I shouldn't even allow to permeate my space. So it was just like I had to make a choice. But when you're trying to leave a situation after the world is about to see like, damn, I thought you was married. Bitch, this your third marriage. When they show the thing like, damn, bitch, a lady told me one time, every time I turn around thought you was married. Bitch, this your third marriage. Where they show the thing, like, damn, bitch. A lady told me one time,

every time I turn around, you get married. I told her, bitch, stop turning around. But then I had to realize for myself, bitch, stop making permanent decisions off temporary emotions. So I took that accountability for myself. So honestly, marriage boot camp was for me to get my mental together. Because it'll put you in a space

where you have no other choice But to Fix it Yeah I had children Together or no? One Okay Yeah so

Did that complicate it? It didn't complicate it at all Because I had a domestic Case open Which is a PFA Protection from abuse So people A lot of people didn't know

But people were telling me But I was Defending the situation Bitch we know What the fuck going on. I'm like, fuck you, bitch, I'll beat your ass. Well, I'm going to beat your ass and I'm getting my ass beat. So I'm one of the people that followed through.

In Philadelphia and in Pennsylvania, you have to go three times to the court. And I went all three times. So I have a detective order. So with that, my divorce is final, everything. I realized, and Dr. Ish, the black guy, he came to me, he was like, I don't ever push for divorce or for people to break up, but I'm going to just tell you, Mo, once you realize who you are,

that's when you're going to make the right decisions and you're going to level up. And I asked you this earlier in a different way. So you were later to marry J. Blige when she felt like that? Very much. And on Hot Boy's video set. Because I'll start crying. This one shit get real. I used to always go with my sister everywhere.

I always keep somebody with my family close because I don't trust the industry people. Motherfuckers will try to lie to you. I've been in a situation where people try to lie to people. I ain't got nothing to do with that. Ooh. Mary J. Blanchard got in. We were in our trailers and she was just shooting a scene. And so for some reason-

Hot Boys video shoot? Hot Boys video shoot. I had my sister with me and my sister was like, I want to meet Eva. I was like, well, let's go say hi to Mary. She was her sister Latonya. Mary grabbed me. She was me, and my sister was like, I want to meet Eva. I was like, well, let's go say hi to Mary. She was her sister Latanya. Mary grabbed me. She was like, oh, my God. And I still have the picture to this day

with me and my sister from the Hot Boy set. She was like, y'all got some, she used to call us the pretty wig sisters. She was like, y'all got some pretty wigs. This is Mary talking to y'all? This is Mary. So mind you, I'm just getting into industry, and I meet Mary J. Blige, and I'm so freaking hype.

Hell yeah. Mary says, let me tell you something. Don't trust one of these motherfuck says, let me tell you something. Don't trust none of these motherfuckers and keep your family close. Why she sound like Mary right now? Chuck told me,

he was like, I remind him of Mary. I felt like you just embedded her. She told me that. That was in 1998, 1999. Say that again. She said,

don't trust none of these motherfuckers and keep your sister close. Wow. Keep your family, like your real family close. Because people will play like they family,

and they don't. But she was like, where you get your wigs from? I was like, oh, my friend got them from Flatbush Ave. She ordered them. They $20.

She said, the fuck? Y'all pay $20 and we just paid $1,000 for these to be flown in? I said, no, we get these just from Flatbush. My girl, my homegirl, Yaz, she buys,

I give her $100, she buys five wigs, and she styles them up. So while people is charging $1,000, she getting them from the line. She the line, she the source. And she called us the Pretty Wig Sisters.

And then after that, I never forgot this. So every time I see Mary, it's always love. She always, like, hugs me. You ever see her documentary? I haven't seen it yet. Okay. But I saw pieces of it, because I saw it with Misa posing,

and I saw it, and I was just like, damn, that shit hit. I've seen tours with Mary, and I've been to a lot of I saw it and I was just like, damn. That shit hit. I've seen tours with Mary and I've been to a lot of her shows and I'm just like, damn. I feel that. I know what it's like to be on. I was addicted to opioids. Ecstasy, Percocet. When I Googled you,

that was the third thing that came up. Was opioids and I don't exactly know what opioids is. Can you explain that? Well, opioids are like Percocets and it's a narcotic. But it started with prescribed pills? It started with prescribed pills. Because us as in the black community,

when we think of opioids, we always think that's a white thing. Yeah. We're not realizing that. But I don't live in a black neighborhood. Exactly. You know what's crazy is the soccer moms, that's who be lit.

You wonder why they be so hype and the Karens be so lit. I be like, oh, she's on meds. Wait, wait. You're going through that. They don't mostly do Percocets. They'll mostly do Xanax. A lot of that stuff, like when I was in Cali. Adderall.

Adderall. Okay. The amount that I was doing for my height and my weight, it was unacceptable. So how does this happen? Antidepressants, right? Antidepressants, yeah. You break a fingertipip or something you go to the doctor all my children I have five children all five were born via cesarean so they give you all of them all of them and what does that mean be a service and people they cut you

open you don't push it out your pouch all right so cut you open so they got you some meds after that they give you they give you a spinal so they don't give you a normal epidural So that means from here on down Well, from the ribs on down Everything is sleep And before you can even go see your kid for real And before you go You have to move your feet

And certain things you have to do So when you have a vaginal birth You can literally go home the next day When you have a C-section You do it five days automatically. It's like a surgery. It's a surgery. Yeah, it's literally

the most... It's dangerous. It's dangerous. Yeah. Because everything is sleeping. A lot of people, they'll do VBAC, which is vaginal birth

after cesarean, but I don't want to feel no labor, so I opted for all cesarean. But I realized now I was just getting all cesarean because I didn't want to feel no pain

because I was going through enough in my life. So medicate me and give me my perks. Wow. And then after these, you're saying after the... The highest level of meds that you can get because...

You know what I'm saying? When did you become, you thought that you was addicted? It was after all five kids or this was in between? It was in between. Really? Yeah. Because they was giving you the meds? Because they'll give you the meds and then when they come past the point where it becomes, doctors can lose their license for overprescribing.

Right. So then we start going to the street to try to pay an extra money. A 30 on the street now is $60. Before it was like 20, 25. Now it's 60 because it's a short of opiates, a Percocet. Of the pills. Percocet, yeah. Okay.

30 is the highest. If you go over that, then you're just asking for motherfucking debt. You might as well just do heroin. Right. But I never wanted to do heroin because I'm like, oh, now I can't see myself doing it. 30 is the highest. If you go over that, then you're just asking for motherfucking death. You might as well just do heroin. But I never wanted to do heroin because I'm like, oh, now I can't see myself. Which is an opioid. But are you aware

of what's going on? Are you aware that this is almost considered, this is like considered real drugs? It is drugs. It's a new crack era. It's a new heroin.

Even though you're getting it from a doctor, did you ever consider that this is crazy? I didn't care. Okay. Because I'm like, I'm in the music industry.

I'm a rock star. I don't pop X. I don't smoke weed. I don't dig coke. Never did heroin. Never did meth. So I'm just like, oh, everybody else is doing it. You'd be surprised how many people I've...

And then Future got this song, Molly Perkis, set. Well, I tried to give him a perk and he wouldn't even take it. Wait, you tried to give Future a perk? Mm-hmm. At a Philly show and he wouldn't take it. He was like, no. Recently, or this is when he had the... This is years ago.

This is when he had the... This is about four or five years ago. It was him, Ty Dolla $ign, they had a show, and I tried. And I was just like, what the fuck is you doing, Mo? And he was like, no, I'm not going to perform like that. So I was just like, you know what? Yeah. Big up to him.

Big up to Future. What are you saying? What the fuck are you doing, Mo? Because here you are, listening to his music. what yeah big up to him big up the future what you saying what the fuck are you doing more because you here you are listening to his music yeah how i'm trying to be the line because i hear a song and i automatically assume that's what he does just because somebody says i'm gonna shoot up the club nobody's you're supposed to be on m16 yeah like just because people say it don't mean they really do it we know what's what's the way so so and this is in philly he's in philly

and you come to him and how do you describe the situation you say what's what's the way so so and this is in philly he's in philly and you come to him and how do you describe this situation you say what's up bro i got some because i've seen future for years i've known him for years like so it's like oh he always have a double cup yeah okay and we were actually i think we would you know what you're trying to say with that we were like we were actually well that's that's everybody drinks before they show because it's honestly it's a comment but no but double cup means scissor That doesn't mean Oh no he didn't have that

Oh really We were actually making sandwiches Which is also It's also yeah Well I used to do sip too Really Like I don't understand How I'm still alive

I'm going to tell you Because I've had situations Where I've had to be hospitalized But we were making sandwiches And so we were Like in the picture I took And I'm throwing up a donut I'm like damn We was just eating

And I was just like Yo you good You want some I was like I got Some fives and some tens And he was like No I'm good He's like I wouldn't be able

To perform like that And I was like I respect that Fives and some tens Yeah there's pink There's green There's white So fives are the whites

That's the lowest milligram Thirties Those are for the heavy hitters And what are we talking about? Percocet. Holy moly. And what is the perks or perks? What are you?

The perks or perks, honestly, if you don't, it's a pain man. It's the highest level of pain man. So when you're on them, you become aggressive. Because you feel nothing?

You don't feel anything. It's honestly, it's almost like a, it's's an upper so it makes you feel a coke high but it makes you feel like you're invincible so i won't be in here throwing shit around see when you start mixing stuff i've been in places where i've knocked shit over i'm gonna knock all this shit over you're gonna you know what i'm saying but i'm just like damn like i really let myself hit rock bottom, but you have you said a coke I what does this coke I feel like because I've never coke is a upper so That was back in the day all cocaine stories first you did cocaine with Honestly, I don't do drugs in front of people really

Because I've always had fear or they gonna have me looking crazy and my butt be out, like some weird shit. I remember being high off X, and I had to tell my manager at the time, like, because she gripped me up. I was with Snoop and Joey IE, and I was about to get turnt high, and she was like, sit your ass down. Don't you ruin this party because this is not your place. And I sat my ass down, and I went in the room, and not your this is not your place and i sat my ass down and i went in the room and i remember crying because i thought the phone was on fire i was like can we please get my mother on the phone because i don't want to be this high the phone was on fire that's what if that's what it looked like to me ecstasy is weird so i i stopped

that and but i was chasing that high uh-huh from perc I hadn't done Perkis But I was just doing X Okay Halves and holes I thought I was a rock star She took a half And took a hole Until it slowed down Yeah

But I would sing a show And be killing it So I wasn't like Singing all weird And stuff To me that's what Helped Ja Rule Is ecstasy

It helped a lot of artists You'd be surprised They were gospel artists Put it on me You was on ecstasy Yeah You said You said gospel artists on XC.

No, no. I'm trying to ignore that part. No, no. I'm not ignoring that part. Did you say gospel artists? Gospel artists, they do drugs too. There's a couple of them. You'd be surprised because... No, I'm not surprised. It's like with artists, just because they sing a certain genre of music, you just never

know what the person's going through. And I realized what I was going through. I realized that I was trying to cover the pain with pills, but it was actually destroying my spirit. So that's why I would retaliate. I'd be throwing shoes at bitches, be trying to fight. Like, the last row was, I remember, I was off a pill. I was off a Zanny. No, I was off an Addy and a Perk. Adderall.

Adderall. Adderall. Now, my white friends take this because they say they hate state tests. It's actually prescribed. Adderall is to calm you and to keep you focused. So it's those drugs. It's a limitless pill. Those pills aren't designed to make you go crazy,

but when you start making cocktails, abusing them, your system's just like, wait, what the fuck going on? That was a cocktail. Cocktail is Adderall. A cocktail is an ad of alcohol

to start your day. Okay. So me being 4'11", 123 pounds, back then I was like 115. How am I still alive? So that's when I had to become an advocate

because I'm just like, yo, this shit, because once the high come down, you be so aggravated, that's when I had to become an advocate Because I'm just like Yo this shit Because once the high come down You be so aggravated That's when I start cursing everybody out The fuck you talking about Bitch will pop out Like what?

And a lot of people I had lost a whole Like a lot of fans Like It was making the blogs I'm like well the stuff I promote Y'all don't post up But when I talk crazy to people

That's what y'all post up So I thought I had to Had the music in the sheet by the boss. This is why you was on the radio? No, not why I was on the radio because I know that we're radio. I had said something to someone one time

and they called the radio station trying to get me fired. I said, you can't get me fired. Bitch, I'm number one. So I became cocky at that point. Give me some noise for that. Give me some noise for that. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Morning show is hard to be number one. But people will call and complain But then when they call and complain And too much you just like alright I gotta fall back But nobody would tell me Because I wouldn't listen Because you was on the yada yada

Yeah I was on the yada me But you think it's individuals Literally at 3 o'clock in the morning Going to the radio station to be there at 5 or 6 o'clock show High on my fucking mind But I had a number one show, so I thought, oh, this is what everybody does. But you think it's individuals that need this? Or you think it's industry-wide?

That everybody, like... The industry. This is the crush that everybody needs to deal with all the social bullshit, the public, the media. Because a lot of people, with the industry, you don't want to deal with the bullshit. So it's so many people many I can look at people right now

because I've come for it I be like oh that bitch high as shit you think you regular like you think Wendy Williams high

now I really can't I can tell when she's I can literally tell because it's not even the fact that maybe they popped a pill I can feel the spirit

you can tell I need an explanation you can just tell By their mannerisms Like Like I can look back at interviews And I can tell when

I was just sitting there Doing all this Like bitch sit still They be fidgety Fidgety fidgety Because I'm naturally fidgety Because I'm just like I have an OCD

Like I want to Dust this table off so bad But I look back at interviews And I can tell How aggressive How emotional You ever did

When you were on a show? Yes I had When she was on radio Okay And You ever thought She was hot When you did a radio show?

Probably so But I didn't care Because I probably was hot too I respect that answer Well talked I respect that answer Nigga I'm a survivor Of domestic violence and drugs

The things that I grew up in a Christian household. My dad's a bishop, my mom's an evangelist. So everything that they were against, I became. But I had to draw the line because I have children. I don't want them to come back. My kids can read. My five-year-old reads on a sixth-grade reading level. All right.

So what was the moment where you was like, this is it for me? Don't tell me marriage boot can't no i was after that because before i already knew i had to make a change and i had to stop but i remember being told i'm gonna blow your fucking head off and i'm gonna throw you over this balcony and everybody that i had been funding and facilitating didn't help so i knew only one place to run and that's where I ran and that's when I was just like I was tired of seeing and feeling like that and honestly I think I was a more afraid of going through the uh the withdrawal there's a period you have to go through from anything yes it feels like death all right because I've tried it before and I was like no I can't do this just give me a pill but I was afraid of the withdrawal.

And it was just like, you want to die? And be selfish because you have children? Or do you want to start from scratch? And starting from scratch literally means starting everything over. Everything. So I was just like, nah. I didn't have these five children for no reason and I know

they was tired of seeing because I wouldn't do stuff around them but they could tell by my mannerisms and what was being posted online. Like they can read

and they can see and when my son would come to me and stuff like, look what somebody said, I'd be like, get off the internet. But that's all they know.

Nobody watches TV. They Google everything. They see everything. And I also seen on Jason Lee show, I think it was his podcast or something, and Jason Lee said, he was asking you, and you said that you went through a moment of depression,

right? Yeah. And I believe you said that you had to stay away from everybody at one point. Yeah. What happened at then, and why did you feel like that? Because I knew that being around the industry and people it was toxic and i'm not saying it was them it was me because i know that when i come around we turn and it just felt like as my now manager says it feels like people are

paying you to go to work go away and i said what you mean about this because it'll go from making a certain amount of night to people just trying to offer you anything. And just like, well, I'd rather get paid this anything than do it for free.

And it's just like, nah. Fuck, I ain't, nah. Like, don't fucking play with me. Especially not now. And people thought that they could play with me. Even recently.

And that's why I say it was a test to see if you'll fall for the okie-doke or if you'll fall for the bullshit or if you're going to stand on what you said you came back to do. And I had to stand firm on even things that I think would have pushed me to a higher visible position. Because everything now is about the lifestyle. They want to see you with the bust down rolling. They want to see you with the APs.

But I was flying, we was flying on Leo Cohen's jet in 99. God damn it. So when I see people on jets, I'm like, damn, I did that and I wasn't even... You feel me? We had the bus down. People stole all the rings

and the jerseys. Like, I've been there, done that. So that stuff doesn't impress me, but I get it. I get it. Kids are impressionable. So it's just like, now I have to reintroduce

a different glow. So you might not see me with, oh, I had the grills, I had all of that, I did that. Now the glow that has to be translucent that people will respect

is the one from within. So when somebody say, oh, we want you to be on this TV show for 25, the fuck out of here. My mortgage alone. I was told, don't step out your house

unless you can pay mortgage for six months. Period. Goddamn, makes you rest. Don't play with me. Don't play with me. You gotta shout out the Organic Food Kings. Oh, yes. I just ate some of the guys.

Food looks incredible. We got the truck outside at Organic Food Kings. Make sure you check them out. We're going to be eating them all the time right now. Do you regret anything in life? Especially when it comes to entertainment. Not even your personal. Just entertainment. I have no regrets.

I have some reservations on things that I said and I did. And I always felt that, oh, that's who I am. But honestly, that's not how I was raised. So the fact that I get a second chance to revisit and people are just like, we believe you, Mo. All right. Because when you don't realize who you are and people come to you and be like,

but do you see what the fuck is going on? Like, why are you letting this happen? I'll be like, mind your fucking business. That's me. It's just like when you realize I don't regret anything. I wish I would have did things differently. But I wouldn't have got married three times. I should not have did that.

I've let people in my circle, in my personal, and in my spirit that I shouldn't even... You think these men took advantage of you? I allowed it. Total advantage, because Google them. Nothing pops up but my name. Your name. So now when I see people like, oh, niggas, baby mamas, I was like, yeah, but look who they're associated with. So how I'm on tour,

I toured with Jay-Z. I toured with 50 Cent. I toured with Missy Elliott. I toured with Ja Rule. I ran stages with Keith Sweat and Patti LaBelle, Gerald LaVert. I've been on Jimmy Kimmel.

I was on Jay Leno. I rocked all these shows before they were defunct. How the fuck? Is you over there with the y'all from the y'all? From the y'all me. Yeah.

Y'all on the y'all. From the y'all me. Yeah. Y'all on the y'all me. So what's your favorite part of the game? Is it making the music or performing the music? Performing. I hate the studio. Really? I feel so closed in. I feel so stuck.

And then I'll always go out and listen. And I know that, oh, you don't have to overdo it no more, you don't have to over sing, but live you can give it your all. So I really wish that I could sing songs live and then people know them because I hate the studio. And that energy you get from the crowd. Whoa, why would you hate the studio?

I don't think I've ever heard. I hate being in the booth. I hate when the headphones like, the studio I work at, one day somebody broke the headphones that I'm used to. So when I had to use some new headphones, people might think that,

oh, you being bougie. I'm just like, nah. I just know what I want to hear. I'm used to that level. I'm used to that frequency. To clutching my ears a certain way, I'm just used to it.

So I realized that maybe I need to do it. But you would take the bus headphones out? I remember I bussed like seven headphones. All of them, All the time. Yeah, because I go on my shit all the way up.

I want my shit loud. I'm used to chaos. But people be like, how do you listen to it so loud? You sing, I'm like, I just want to hear it loud. I want to, like, I don't know why I have it up so loud. They be like, well, step back from the mic because we can hear it bleeding in. I'm like, oh, well, you figure it out. They ain't got nothing to do with me.

Hello? Wow. So was you on Atlantic Records as well? No, just a lecture. Even though it was We Are. And Cash Money. We Are, yeah. Yeah, it was Warner Electric.

Cash Money was Universal? Yeah. When you were on the, okay. Yep. Wow. Wow, goddamn. And independent now. Yeah.

And you have a podcast as well, right? Well, I did the podcast like two years ago, and I was traveling to New York. I actually had the Little Mo Show. ago and I was traveling to New York. I actually had the Little Mo Show. We was running right above Madison Square Garden. So it was like

a little situation. It was, I forgot the station that was over there. They had a nice room. It was like a stage and everything. So I was doing a podcast

and I just realized like the artist side, you have to like pick a side with R&B because when you're doing side, you have to like pick a side with R&B because when you're doing interviews and you have to discuss current events and when somebody do something crazy and you have to talk about it,

people think that you hate. And I'm just like, I literally used to have to tell artists, well, stop doing dumb shit and we don't have to report it. Right. So because I really have to focus on my craft and my glow.

It's just like, I'll do the podcast But like Everybody has a podcast now Right now Everybody has a podcast Everybody has a podcast And I'll be like There's some people

I'll be like Don't nobody Know what the fuck You gotta say Like people just think You get on the talk They don't realize It's production

You have to stay current Content Everything But I learned that from radio So I literally came from major And learned everything From the artist side To the radio side.

Yeah. So it's like, now I know how to rock it. So once I do my show this time, I think it'll be through the roof because I got the friendships and the relationships where I could call anybody beyond,

but you got to make sure people care. And did you like reality TV when you did it? I did. Okay. But at the same time, it's just like, I know that the higher-ups have their favorites. He was the same time, it's just like, I know that

the higher-ups have their favorites. He was like, well, they're getting all these episodes and don't nobody... See, I'm a part of that. I'm a part of the industry, but I'm also part of the don't-care society. So they be showing stuff on TV like, don't nobody care. Like, what do you think nobody care about right now? People don't care about

foolishness. Like, if you're an artist, they just want to hear you sing. I'll tell you some other name of a show. People don't care about foolishness. Like, if you're an artist, they just want to hear you sing. I'll tell you some other name of a show. People just... I just look at the... What show you hate right now? Let's just throw it out there. I don't even watch TV.

You don't watch nothing. I watch movies. I watch movies. Okay, what's a good movie? I just watched a movie. It was a... Netflix? No, it was Hulu.

It was called I Saw the Devil. And it's totally in Japanese, but they have the subtitles. Shit is Japanese. Yeah, they be lit like he was. He was not a cannibal. He was dismembering people, but he wanted to be caught, but they couldn't catch him. And he killed the FBI, Japanese FBI agents, fiance, and she was pregnant.

So he started killing shit. She was crazy. I'm into killing shit. Shit was crazy. She's into it. I'm into gore. What's that shit? Not Hard Boiled. Hard Boiled? What's that?

Hard Boiled, John Woo. John Woo, Hard Boiled. Oh, never saw it. I watched The Family Guy. I'll either watch total comedies, satire. Okay, what's a great comedy movie you like? Step Brothers? Yeah. satire okay what was it was a great comedy movie you like stepbrothers yeah or week me and my son we watched the only in this is funny oh my god like we'll go place not only

Pedro yeah my son went to um someone day he went to us did he vote for Pedro he went to he started football workout. Oh, and he started throwing the ball at the home. And they was just like, yo, Justin, they told my son Justin, they was like, you missed three passes, you trash. He was like, well, that guy was a rip-off. So he was like, my son is hilarious. And he says stuff around me that I'm

just like, I don't know if a son should be saying to a parent. Like, he'd be like, Mom, yesterday was so hot, it was hot as tits outside. what son says that to their mom you're getting a lot of money because he's raised right yeah because no real hood kid is saying it's hot as tits outside i'm just throwing it out there i'm just throwing it out there i've never in my life said that word in front of my mother and i'm grown to this day i'll be like i'll say boobs but i'm like like, oh, my kid's really. I mean, those are the worst things he could be saying to you.

Yeah, the stuff that my son says and the thing he watches. If he's like from the hood and in the hood, he would have been like as hot as Rikers Island. And that's not a good thing. That's not a good thing. But my five-year-old, when he just got out of kindergarten, so they did half virtual, and then they let them in for four days a week. The last day of school, he was like, yes, it's going to be a hot summer. It's litty as a titty.

I'm like, yeah, I'm going to smack shit out you as soon as I get away from these Anglo-Saxons. Okay, now, they just announced Bobby Brown against Keith Swann. Yeah, tomorrow. Well, July 1st? July 1st. July 1st. Yeah. So this will be out next week.

So this had already happened. Yeah. Who did you pick? We back to the future. Okay. So because I've worked with both, I haven't done a song with Bobby Brown. Hold on. Tell me about it.

Yeah. I've toured with Keep Sweat. So that's automatically my pick. But you're going to go against my prerogative? Well, let me tell you something. And New Edition? Wait, New Edition going to be there? No, no, I'm just saying it generally.

He could go on the back. Yeah, he can. But they both work with Teddy Riley, so honestly, this is really Teddy versus himself. Are we taking a shot? Are we taking a shot? Let's do it. Come on.

Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot, because I don't know where you're going with this. Because I was just like, with Bobby Brown, he was the original bad boy. Yeah. So my brother's now. He gonna touch his Yao Ming 3,000 times.

No, my brother got a one time. Remember when my was dancing? Remember when Arsenio Hall was out? My brother used to be dancing, and we were supposed to be in bed, because my brother's 37. Arsenio Hall with the long finger? Yeah. We need Arsenio Hall was out? My brother used to be dancing, and we were supposed to be in bed, because my brother's 37. Arsenio Hall with the long finger? Yeah.

We need Arsenio Hall here, too. And my brother was dancing, my prerogative, and he got a whoop, and my dad was like, I told you to go to bed and stop Bobby Browning. So whenever he used to pump and dance like the R&B singers used to pump, my dad said, stop Bobby Browning. He was like, that was inappropriate. Now, you young homies, why y'all got to fucking dance Bobby Browning? I would like to learn that Bobby Browning.

Well, they do this now. They're hopping the dolphin. No, but we need the Bobby Browning. No, I want the Bobby Browning. But all the R&B singers used to go like this, this. Salud, salute, salute. Salud. Hey!

Bobby was the original bad boy We watch you Let it live man You ain't gotta drive You gotta relax Yeah you right We in the yam We in Miami

We in Miami no more We'll be here in a year You made it through all this Pandemic We did everything You a motherfucking legend Our show Is about giving

About giving artists They flowers Thank you And you deserve your flowers Thank you You have always been there That's about the industry. Our show is about giving artists their flowers. Thank you. And you deserve your flowers. Thank you. You have always been there. I've never seen you, you know, with the sourpuss face.

I've always seen you happy. I've always seen you there working, busting your ass. And you deserve to be there. You deserve to be the legend that you are. And we want to tell you to this face. We invented giving people the flowers. I don't know if you know. We're the first one. Soldier Boy Boy.

No, no, no. It's real talk. No, I believe you. Everyone is saying it now. But we did this right here in the same exact place. We said that we didn't want to interview the new artists. Not because we don't got love for the new artists. But we do.

But they have the Hot 97s. They have the Power 105s. They have these all other outlets. Where's the outlets for the people who've been here 10 years and more of their seasons and that still want to be here? And you know what? They deserve their flowers. And this is what we did. We don't want something to happen to you and say,

oh my God. Yeah. This is what they deserve. So this is what we we didn't invent the whole flower thing, but we invented it in hip hop saying give the people the flowers. Thank you. And just in case you don't know you deserve your motherfucking flowers legend you're um and pursuing on do you did you did you think that when you first started that you would survive this long no because I literally used to

take it for a joke singing or like you know how people have like oh i grew up with barry gordy or i grew up with i grew up in uh stevie wonder's house or people had that story right i never had that story i literally moved back to york sang his eyes on the sparrow and um chuck bone told me when i because i was going to sign to uh different labels back in the day but Electra was the ultimate choice especially with Missy

being there yeah not only that but it was just like Busta Rhymes was there let's not forget yeah I was supposed to sign to Tommy Boy

it was like certain labels that I had to be with glad you didn't sign to Tommy Boy hello I was on Tommy Boy I mean Tommy Boy at one point

was a legendary band they were for hip hop I was balancing the hip hop and R&B R&B might not have worked out there I'm going to give you your flowers Tom Silver at one point was a legendary rapper. Nah, you know what, Tom Silver. For hip-hop. Tom Silver, man, I was balancing the hip-hop and R&B. Tom Silver, man, I'm going to give you your flowers. I'm going to give you your flowers, Tom Silver, man. Because he did make me a lot of money.

I forgot the lady's name. She brought me over there. And she was like, I think she's going to be amazing. If I hear her name, I will remember it. Not Carolyn Williams? No. She was kind of big. She was heavy saying.

OK, damn, I don't know that. I forgot her name. But she might not even really work there. Hello? Because, hello because you know people used to care but we couldn't say nothing you couldn't google it back you couldn't google it back then you just have to put up the instagram they was the assistant but now a lot of assistants are executives so i've seen it but like just like just looking over how i got in the door what Chuck Bone told me one day, he was just like, yo, you talk a lot of shit, but for some odd reason, I believe you can back it up. So I don't know where it came from.

I literally would go into a meeting and act like I already had a record deal. Right. And I just always acted as if that I was just like, I already knew what I said and sought out to do. I didn't leave home at 17 to lose. Right. and sort out to do, I didn't leave home at 17 to lose. So even though I took some hits in between, I was just like, nah, I'm always, I don't know. Like, I don't know what gave me that driving motivation then. But now what motivates me is my children

because I love, I love my kids. Like the pandemic was a blessing because ever since the age of 17, actually before that 15, I've been on the road. So I didn't know what it was to sit down my ass down for a year. I would have a kid and within six weeks we'd be out. We'd be on the road. My daughter was on a tour in Jamaica with me.

She's 18 now, but I was just like, yo, I literally ain't never sat my ass down. So this year I had to take off. I got to refocus, rebrand, revisit, re-glow, and renew everything. You're going, girl. Now, we didn't get a definitive answer of Bobby or Keith Sweat. We didn't get a definitive answer. Okay. Bobby was the bad boy, but Keith Sweat...

It's almost like... You in a tunnel. Oh, Bill coming home. Bill Cosby? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if we getting to that. How did that come into the picture? Yeah, you didn't know how we said that.

Not because people automatically let you agree. All right, Bobby's height, Keith's height. Oh, he's coming home? Keith's height. Bobby height. He won one of his joints? Honestly, I think the safer drop, I've never heard. All right, I would have to choose Keith Sweat for safety reasons.

Right, because he got the Jerry girl. Not even that. OK. But Keith, like, we'd never seen him go. But Bobby was the bad boy. So I would hang out with Bobby, but I would ride, get a ride home from Keith Sweat. All right.

Because Bobby feel like he going to just throw cocaine everywhere. See, I've never seen him do, but Bobby just used to be turnt. He was like. He just feel like he going to do some Prince shit. And the shit going to just blow. Bobby just say to do some Prince shit. And the shit go just. Bobby was saying. Some Rick James shit.

That's what I meant. Because he came from New Edition. He just say, I've read some stories about Rick James. I was just like, yo, he was lit. When they say he jumped on that man's table. Who told that story? Where did I hear that recently? He jumped on the table.

He threw the cocaine at the president of the label. Yeah, he was wild. Yo, but I heard Bobby Brown. I heard Bobby Brown fried chicken with cocaine. Now that's serious. That's pretty out of control. No, that was wild. Yo, but I heard Bobby Brown fried chicken with cocaine. Now that's serious. That's pretty out of control. No, that's serious. Look, look, look.

You know, like the flour? The batter. Yeah, the batter. But they have weed batter. But they don't got cocaine batter. Cocaine. That's a little level. You gotta be Pablo Escobar style.

You're cooking cocaine right now. That's expensive. That's expensive. That's crazy. That's crack chicken. That's... Who said that? That's in his book. He wrote that? Somebody wrote it. That's what it is. That's crack chicken. That's at least 30. Who said that? That's in his book.

He wrote that? Somebody wrote it. It's a recipe. Like, who was like, I'm going to put something. I didn't even know you could fry Coke. Then that's crack. Hey, man. That's what I said, you cooking Coke.

No, that's ka-chicken. Kra-chicken. Coachella. That's ka-chicken. That's crackling chicken. Like, who would even think that? Like, I don't, yeah, that's the, I don't ever want to be that, where I start putting it in my food. That's in his book. That's in his chill. Who would even think that? That's in his book. That's in his book.

That's a Tony Montana shit. And not only that, when I met Bobby Brown again for like the third time, when I met Bobby Brown, I said, what's up, Bobby? He said, man, I perform. He said, we used to rehearse in your projects. That was the most honor. Let me tell you some stalking ass shit.

Because I used to live in Southside, Jamaica, so I would have to go to beauty school. So when we would pass left rack, I'd be I was like, whoa. Left rack, right? Yes, yes. Let me tell you some stalking-ass shit. Okay. Because I used to live in Southside, Jamaica, so I would have to go to beauty school. So when we would pass left rack, I was like, damn, I want to meet Nori in there. I used to always think, like, people automatically think, when you sit at left rack, it sounds like you would drive past and Nori would be there. I would definitely be there.

You should have driven past. It would have been there. It would have been there. I used to be scared because left rack is like Iraq. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just like you just don't go from Jamaica Estates where I eventually moved to left rack. Jamaica Estates, yes. Yeah.

It's very rich. You're very rich. Donald Trump owns that. Yes. He owns the whole Jamaica Estates. The buildings. Oh, the buildings. So the building I lived in, like, was the dad.

So he owns it now. But it's just like, damn, like, and you can't get out those contracts. I'm probably still in it today. So when you overall in the music industry, overall entertainment, what is your overall look at it? Like, you happy, you satisfied, you sure, you feel great that you participated? Or is it something that if you had a chance to do it all over, you would... Pick a different career? No, I would...

This is the only job... I've never worked at FedEx. I only delivered pizza when I was like 12. The most I've ever done was went to hair school. So this is all I know. Right.

So honestly, I think I would have stayed more... I would have stood more firm and I've never been associated... Now I have a team. I've just always been associated with people, so I was never, I was always touring with Murder Inc., but I wasn't, never signed to them. I was touring with Missy, but I was never signed to them.

I went on the Rock the Mic tour, but I wasn't signed to Jay. Like, the people that made the calls would be like, yo, we want you to run around. So it was just like, I was never, I was always affiliated and associated with things, but I never had anything for myself. So now that I have a chance to rebrand, I wish I would have done it sooner because I think I would be, you know what I mean? I would own everything because I know the way I think.

But I would put people in positions to pass me. I'm not doing that no more. And I think that I should have done it sooner, but I get it. I didn't know the game. I didn't have the management. All in due time. Yeah. Like I was literally doing a lot

of things by myself it felt like i was paying people to be my friends and to be around so they would be management rope it would be certain things but i'm just like wait a minute like it just it just wasn't right so i really thought it was the entertainment industry so i was thoroughly and highly entertained but it's the music business right so i did the music, but I didn't handle the business. So now I have a chance to get it right. That's why I'm just like, I'm back for my second go. Like, nobody can kick me out of anything. I've never, only thing I've been kicked out of was high school,

and they had to let me back in. Who you calling? I'm calling Beanie Sigel. Yes, call. That's the brody. I'm calling him for FaceTime. He ain't going to answer. Wow.

Because it's still the daytime. Oh, OK. We in c got answer. Wow. Because it's still the daytime. Oh, okay. We in cahoots. Let's see. But, so what happened when you heard that this versus battle between me and BDC, where you was at? I was literally peeking on Instagram and then I saw it- Peeking?

Peeking. Okay, peeking. And I saw you running in like a sweat suit. And I saw them posting up Beans was like, yo Nori, and I was just like, see me and Beans go way back like years. We did Parking Lot Pimple with Jay-Z together, so that was a great experience. He shot a video, I did a song for him,

if you wanna dance. Straight floss, come on, straight floss. Straight floss, straight floss. I used to visit Beans at the halfway house. Like Beans, that's family. So it's like I hate when I have to, because friends are family

that you're not related to and then there's family that you're not even blood related to, but like, I used to visit him at the halfway house and there's times

that he saved my life. So I had to like, kind of. Let's describe that. What time he saved your life? Just like, it's just like, I've never heard this.

When people just tell you to get out the streets. Right. Why, you was in the streets that heavy that, wait... That's the deal. I never heard this. When people just tell you to get out the streets. Right. Why, you was in the streets that heavy that... Wait a minute. Tell me. I used to be in North Philly. This is crazy.

Hold on. Beanie single, the broad street bully had to tell you to get out the streets? Well, had to tell... What kind of life were you really living?

It wasn't like no, no, running around like... You were hanging out. You were hanging out. Like outside, like... And he had to say... He recognized it. Basically tell my people just like, yo like that's dope what you did with mob like my people literally came home it was just like i don't like what people are saying behind the scenes

we got to clean you up and i'm like damn is that bad like and this is being saying that to you well being like because he called me little sis that's fine fine. So it's just like, sis, what is you doing? How you go from this to you can't move like that. You're a queen. You're royalty. You're a treasure in this industry. And you're a mom. Beans has cooked dinner for me and my kids.

That nigga's a chef. Wow. He cooks seafood better than the seafood cookers. He don't even eat seafood. Wow. So it's just like, we have history. Right. So it's just like...

I'm glad you ain't mentioning nothing about music. Thank you. What, Farjeet? Oh, what's he... No, once he play, I can feel it in me, yeah. You mentioned him, you know. It's a rap. Bam! It's a rap.

It's just a record called Sometimes I Want to Cry and Pray. Yeah. Sometimes. That's a good match. I'm just not sure if you heard that. You know what I mean? You're from Jamaica State. It's not Jamaica.

You know what I'm saying? I'm just like, nah, that's going to be a great. I love it. I love it. The reason being because y'all personalities. Yeah. I love that y'all don't just be acting weird. It's people in the industry that act it. I love it. To be honest. The reason being because y'all personalities. Yeah. Like, I love that y'all don't just be acting weird. Like, it's people

in the industry that act weird. I'm just playing around. I'm just playing around. Like, I just try to gas it up because at the end of the day, I did, you know, reach out to Swiss and Tim.

And I don't want to say they ignore me because that's not the truth. They did, you know, acknowledge me, but they didn't bring up, oh, I see what y'all doing. I see that, you know. So I figured,

you know what, let me help hype it up. You know what I'm saying? So this could happen because at the end of the day, Beans is my friend. Beans is my brother. At the time when I said, yo, Beans, come outside. What I said is, come outside and get some money. Come outside. We've been hearing about you for a minute.

Let's come outside. Let's work. And it doesn't matter whether we do the battle or not. I want to do it. I want to see it go down. But at the end of the day... It's going to happen. It's going to happen. It's going to happen.

At the end of the day, when I hit brothers and they don't... I don't want to say they didn't hit me back because they hit me back. But neither one of them was like, what's up? Let's do this. I see what's happening. And I know from the backside who they want me to battle. Like, Quietest K.R.E.P. Who?

Quietest K.R.E.P. From what I heard, they was like, you know, a lot of people was leaning towards me with Cam'ron. Right. I don't think Cam'ron's going to do it. No. I don't think, not because Cam is, you know. I think he's just, you know, what he want to do. So I tried this.

I really, really tried this. I hit Petey Crack. I hit everybody, the Young Guns. And, you know, well, I didn't hit Young Guns. Excuse me. I mentioned Young Guns. And I hit Bleak. And the thing is, I don't own Versus.

So I can't make it happen. But I did everything I could do to make it happen. I did everything I could do to make it happen. I did everything I could do to make it happen I did everything I could do to make it happen I did everything I could do We still working on it We still working on it And that's why we got Beans I wanted to have Beans

Calling today I didn't tell him my time I didn't tell him my time So that's probably Part I fucked up And we might have him here Live at the show And then we might have him here

Live at the show To promote it some more Because I want to go down I want it to go down I want it to I think the culture wants it I think we want people that That we want it to. I think the culture wants it. I think we want people that's... That we can relate to.

Like, I love verses. Right. But now it's a popularity contest. Because I'm just like... Who you want to battle in verse? I want to do like how D'Angelo did. Me and some friends. Because I don't know if people know my discography.

Nah, I'm not going to let you get away with that. Because everybody... You want Ashanti? Do you want Ashanti? Just keep it real. I think that would have been lit with me versus her. That'd be a good one. And we would have been in the building.

Because we've actually toured together. Right. And the love is mutual. You wrote for Ashanti at one time? Huh? You wrote for Ashanti? No, but we both work with, like, I work with Murder, Inc. And then when we fell out, like, she carried the torch.

Right. Now she's getting Walker Fames. Like, that would have been lit. Right. And I think the camaraderie, because we have history. And, like, we've done shows together. Like, when I wasn't doing shows... She do Keisha Cole, right?

Yeah. Okay. I think that would have been lit. Let's do a realistic. Who you think that didn't battle yet? Who should do versus? With you. Or me?

With you. See, because I wrote for a lot of people, so I would have to battle a nigga. Nah, we don't want you to get a nigga. Just like with Missy, it's like, who could you battle? Why can't you battle a dude? Yeah, who says it has to be that's a misogynistic or that's sexist to say that I have to battle another female?

All right, so give me a female and a guy who you think you can battle. Let's give me both of them. And then we take a shot for that. Well, my cocky ass, Jay-Z. Shit, I don't know. Jay ain't coming out there. Yeah, he's not coming out there.

We should keep it R&B, I think. R&B? You and Usher? See, Usher, he would have to go against a Chris Brown. It's almost like when I came out, I was doing what I did. So people came before me,

but then there were people that came after me. So you can't battle who came after you you feel me I was doing rap hooks I was literally more hip-hop who's Cisco honestly that would be a good battle Cisco yeah that would be a good battle in English in English but weko, Mark. But we good, but yeah, we from Baltimore. Nah, nah. You tried it. That was before her. That was a try.

But that was before her anyway. Like I saw people saying you should do a battle because they was like y'all should do a battle with four of y'all. I'm just like, no, my discography,

even if you may not have heard the song and in my fan base, like don't, like don't play with me. Like, I wrote for Janet and Teddy Riley. So I have a song called Girlfriend Perfect. Like don't play with me. What? I wrote for Janet and Teddy Riley.

So I have a song called Girl From Perfect. Like, don't play with me. I'm not one of those. Yeah, you could do the songs you wrote. No one knows I hear as Janet. Can you?

Janet Jackson. Okay. So the song Girl From Perfect. Make some goddamn fucking noise. Come on. I vocal produced Whitney Houston on the song Missy. Let's make some goddamn noise.

You know what I'm saying? Like, my foundation is strong. I didn't just get in, like, just writing songs and then just featuring and just being around. Like, I looked at my discography one day, and I was just like, wow, I forgot I did that. Or people will remind you, be like, sis, don't ever forget who you are.

So now that I remember it, it's not on no cocky shit, but it's just like, I did all this by myself Like I had Missy be like yo go ahead I remember standing in the booth for Whitney Houston and she giving me a fisherman friend because my I was so nervous my throat Dried up and she was like no that ad-lib do that do that and I was like, I don't remember what I did I was so scared to play it back and tell Whitney Houston what to do I remember vocal reducing Gerald LaVert and he wasn't singing a note wrong. And all started telling me, no, he did the note wrong. I was like, I don't want to tell him. Like, I know what I've done.

Everything, I remember working with Jay-Z and him telling me, you want to go on tour? Like, please don't discredit my backstory. Don't worry about what I went through. Basically, you're saying, you'll wash a lot of people off. They better be careful challenging you. Yeah, because when you see Cynthia Loving on it.

You got secret weapons. You got secret weapons. Yeah, and then I was counting. I was just like, I got 20 in the possibles. A couple possibles. Yeah, a couple possibles. Because people are like, oh, you're a one-hander. I was like, no.

Like, I've done features. And there are songs that went. See, everything now, they think it's viral. They say you battle a guy. Ray J got so special. So he probably would have to battle another guy. I used to vocal produce him. I did work with him, too. Yeah, and I remember he used to be cutting up in the studio, and they was like, no, make him sing.

I was just like, he's not going to show up. But to this day, he hugs me. We did a show with Live Nation. It was the Femme Forward Tour, and he was there. He hugged me. He was just like with Live Nation. It was the Femme Forward Tour. He was there. He hugged me. He was just like, yo. And I interviewed him for radio.

He was like, Mo, like, I survived the turn up. We survived the turn up. So seeing him go through. He's still in the turn up. He's still in the turn up, but he survived. He was outside. Right, he was outside. And I was around when he would go to the studio and be running around like, oh my God,

I would have to be like, come get your brother. Yeah. Or go call Mr. Nolan. You call him Brandy? And her dad. Wow. So I've seen him go through, but I get it. He grew up in a, a lot of people expect so much more from you

when you grow up with both parents. But when you get in this industry, you're literally alone. And you're finding your way. Your sister's already established. Your parents are really dedicated to making sure y'all win. You rebel. I was a rebellious one, so I understood. So when I saw the list of things

that he's accredited, I'm just like, don't sleep. He's not one of those. He really has everything he said he was going to do. he's a go-getter he's a go-getter a lot of people didn't understand that before they was just oh you just run around you didn't no I was just running around no I'm not one of those please don't take away what God has blessed me with because I've seen people under the bus tell nobody to challenge you on verses honestly I would love to do it versus how D'Angelo did, bring people out, because then people

are like, oh, I don't want to battle nobody because they go song for song. My catalog is extensive. I've worked with, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like, it might not be stuff that I wrote. You'll do a lot of records that you wrote for people as well. Yeah, or that I sang on that you didn't know that, oh, that's me. And it'll be like, a lot of people

are like, I didn't know that was you singing on that, and Wifey, and like stuff that I've done, or that it was my, I don't know, that's me. And it'd be like, a lot of people were like, I didn't know that was you singing on that and Wifey and like stuff that I've done or that it was my, I don't know, that's me singing, even though that's their record. What's Wifey? Will you be my wifey? Yes, I'll be your wifey.

Yeah, or that I like it when you move up close to me. They didn't know I was, I did a lot of background work, but it was safe for you, but I was pregnant at at the time so I couldn't be in the video. Boom. Yeah. That's fire. We love the baby sounds and everything. Was that an ad-lib? Who was that? Was that Keith Sweat? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they was trying to do that. Holy moly guacamole. So, Mo.

We live in direct, I don't know what's going on outside. I thought somebody was pushing a button. Let me tell you something. I can't thank you enough. I want you to know that this is your platform. Yeah. Whenever you want to come back. But she got a record. We got to talk about the record. Yeah, we got the new girl.

T-Pain and Fat Man Scoop. Fat Man Scoop did the hype. Who's supposed to come on here soon. Fat Man Scoop, shout out to him. And T-Pain's supposed to come on here soon, too. Yeah, yeah, T-Pain's supposed to come. That's going to be lit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Dad, tell us about this new record. This new record, because I can finally talk about it, because once we were setting it

up, it was just like, one thing I wait for is the paperwork to get in. And so once I got the paperwork in, I was like, I'm glad I get to talk about Shining Star and this new glow. Right. Yeah, coming back into this industry, you have to realize the lane you created, and you have to stay in it. I'm not trying to compete with these new artists because I realize they got their own goal. And they're very popular.

And social media have you thinking that, oh, bitch, you washed. Right. But I reached out to a lot of people. Yo, I got this record. First, I did Broken Heart, which we did during the pandemic. It came out on my birthday. But we recorded on my birthday. It came out on my daughter's birthday.

This is fully independent. Fully independent. my daughter's birthday. This is fully independent. Fully independent. The Faculty Music Group. This is your label. This is my business partner's label. Okay. So it was just like, because you have to separate the artists.

I have Honey Child, which I, like I'm a loan out company. Okay. So when you get, so when you see me, it's just like, how you have this,

that's Lil Mo. Yeah, this is Creed. I don't own this at all. Oh, yeah. Let me just throw it out there. Come on, bro. Relax, buddy. Well, it's just like,

so you have the artist and you have, even though it's independent, it means that we do everything ourselves. So all my relationships, all my connections, now I get to maximize.

Wow. People say, I've been in this game for 20 years, never called nobody for a favor. It was popping. Time to cash in.

Remember, yeah, I need that. So I reached out to a couple of artists. Hey, sent you the record, different records, I need you on it. And the day T-Pain reached back, when we sent them Shining Star,

was in March. He sent it back in, what was the day that he announced to social media? Oh my God. I did not know that all these people, whatever that day was, he emailed me. Well, he DM'd me back at midnight. So I was damn near asleep. And it came up. T-Pain hit me back.

He was just like, oh, my God, Mo. I literally just saw this message. So me thinking it's Cap like, oh, wait, no, he did just post. I didn't know that the request, because when they don't follow you, you don't get to see it. Yeah, I went through that as well. Even though you're verified. Right. So he's like post I didn't know that the request because when they don't follow you you don't get to see it even though you're verified so he's like I got you I said a lot of people said they got me like almost 20 years ago a lot of people said they had me that I had didn't get me. He had me. He sent it back and he did his,

I literally called my manager, I was like, T-Pain sent the vocals. I was on some DJ Khaled shit like, oh my God, you know how he be like, he sent the vocals. He was like, listen, I got my record coming out, let me get some vocal rest and I got you. I was like, oh man, he ain't gonna send it. He sent it, the session and everything.

The clearest, whatever you need. I was like wow People don't do that I do that Wow A lot of people Don't have that type of integrity Speak to my management

That's cool I understand that I have my people Speak to your people But they'll Pussyfoot Right Or monkey foot you

Along the way Monkey foot was good The monkey foot Cause pussy foot is When you tiptoe around Yeah pussy foot is You tiptoe Monkey foot

Or motherfuckers will Bullshit you Yeah yeah Bullshit foot. Because pussy foot is when you tiptoe around. Yeah, pussy foot is when you tiptoe. Monkey foot. Or motherfuckers will bullshit you. Yeah, yeah. Bullshit foot is also a foot. Send me the email. I'm right in front of my email right now, and they won't send it back. He sent it back. Like I said earlier, he did his part so good, I was like, oh, shit. I didn't even think he was going to do that much.

We went and did my part over. Wow. When I say the song is immaculate That man's cool. Yeah, right. It's literally benefit Next week. It's out. Okay. It's not does it come out this cold it today. We got a cold it. Okay, cool So I was literally just waiting on the artwork But when fat man scoop said his part cuz I was like, I need you to hype up this record like class. Yeah Yeah, because people haven't heard his voice in a while. He had Kovac. Yeah,op said his part because I was like, I need you to hype up this record. Classic shit. Yeah. Yeah.

Because people haven't heard his voice in a while. He had COVID when he did his part. He was like, yo, Mo, I want this Dr. Sebi shit. Your record don't got COVID, though, right?

The record don't have COVID. Man. Fuck with you. But the power of sending stuff via email and him sending it back and me sending it. So, Scoop in New York.

I'm in Baltimore I don't know where T-Pain is He's in Georgia Is he He's all over Because he has his show Plus he was working

His record with Kalani Right So I sent the record To LA to be mixed Sent it to somebody else To be mastered So the power of Being able to push send

And I was just like This record Shouting Star Is not only To empower women because this is women are dominating the industry it's also to me Superwoman and Forever because people keep on calling me for my old shit I'm just like we've I've commemorated that that's 20 years old we celebrated that now it's time to celebrate the new, the glow, the vibe, the sound. The one that you loved back then when people, oh, I grew up to your music.

And my mother used to play. Now you're about to grow up to this new glow. I haven't missed a beat. My voice hasn't changed. I've been through some shit. I can sing about it. Broken Heart was the record we released. And that's available on all streaming platforms.

Now all my first two hours, based on the true story, and Meet the Girl Next Door are finally on all streaming platforms. So, all my first two hours, based on the true story, Meet the Girl Next Door, are finally on all streaming platforms. So I missed 20 years of streaming. Whatever year streaming came out, they just added October 2020 during a pandemic. Wow. So we running it up.

So now I'm just like, now that I have this second chance, I'm going to put out some new music and I don't have to try to sound like everybody today. I still have my sound. But just to let people know, like, I'm coming. What's that record you got where you were like,

I think it was like 1.5 million views. I think it's T-O-P-N-A, something like that. Where you talking about, I forget. You could leave, but leave the car, nigga. Oh, that's Ta-Da. Ta-Da, yeah. T-A-D-A. Okay, okay.

Ta-Da. All right, so that's independent as well? Well, that's Ta-Da. Ta-Da, yeah. Okay, okay. Ta-Da. All right, so that's independent as well? Well, that was on the first album. So that's on, that was 20 years ago. God damn it.

Oh, shit. I just so happen to, like, God preserve me for this time. The pandemic was good. I got a lot of rest and much needed glow. And it's just like,

once I realized that people don't want to hear or see none of that other bullshit they just want to hear you sing mo and they they want to see me in power like now I realize that how the ditties and how the jays and how them how they survive through when the industry shifts and change you have to put new people in position so I see who's hot I see the artists that are coming up from the hers to to the Summer Walkers to the Scissors. That's the vibe.

My daughters love Kehlani. I know who they love. So I'm just like reaching out like, yo. You got a joint with Scissors? No, not with her. But just to see the mutual respect and to see how she came up and she's in position. I was just like, I respect that. And from the. And from the rappers, from the K-Kilos to the Malibu Mitches

to the, I got souls with them. Yeah. See, I have more souls of rappers. You already hit me up as well? No, I haven't,

but I've known him since he was Bird. Okay, Young Bird. When he used to have the cutouts and my daughter was like, can I have the cutout? So I respect him.

I respect how he's moving, but I'm a writer too and I'm an artist and I'm sensitive about my shit. So it's just like, you know, I respect and people just respect how you're moving, but I'm a writer too and I'm an artist and I'm sensitive about my shit. So it's just like, you know, I respect and people just like, yo, Mo, it's good to see you

still doing your thing. So to the young artists that are coming up, to the Lottos, like Big Lotto, I reached out and I'm just like, yo, like I see you doing your thing.

You're talking about the girl Lotto? Yes, the rappers, like they are doing their thing. She was my Lotto, but then they told me. Now she changed to Big Lotto. But it's just like, they are doing their thing. She was my lotto, but then they told me. Now she changed to big lotto. But it's just like to see everyone doing their thing. Salma Slim.

Let's take one more shot, and then we got one more question, and then we're going to get up out of here. No, it's up. It's up. So where's next with New Amour? We're pushing this music. Okay, you're going to move back. Because we literally, before we even got here,

got a call about a reality show. And to hear my manager say, they always want to dwell on the past. And people want to say shows. They go, oh, we want you to be on a show about heartbreakiness. Bitch, I'm past that. If it ain't about this new glow, even on to shows, I literally turn down. And I'm going to say this, and this is all due respect. There are shows that want to, I say, salute or give flowers.

They push their movement, and they want you to be a part of it, but they don't want to pay. So it's one thing to promote and to do sit-downs. But if you want me to perform, don't tell me what y'all price. You didn't even ask what my price was. The bag is up. I saw how much rappers' baby mothers are getting paid. You're not going to say, oh, I got $5,000.

What am I going to do with that? What costs $5,000 to this day? I'm not trying to afford performance. You're not going to offer me that. Bitch, I'm not washed. This is the prices that we set. And you might going to offer me that. Bitch, I'm not washed. You're going to, this is the prices that we set. And you might as well pay it now

or pay it later. Because trust me, it's about to run up. I know the game. This is chess not checkers. So don't play with me. I am not one of them. You're not going to pay somebody's baby mother that don't have no songs out to come there and drink.

But they asked me to come do the same thing and sing. That's a separate fee. It was a major, people who tried to book us. It was like, we want you to come this, this, this, this. Okay, well, that's a la carte. So that's $10,000 for this, $20,000 for that. Well, shit, bitch. As soon as I grabbed that microphone, it's up

I get it But that was a test To see if I would accept the less No, you want greater You gotta do greater And I realize now, you gotta work hard now Just like I did in the beginning It's like I'm a new artist

So people know the old little mo, but the new mo The shining star mo, that's out now, you got to push what you're promoting. You got to respect the brand. You got to respect the grind. You got to respect my work, my work ethic. I just now started getting some sleep

because of the pandemic, but I haven't had no sleep in 20 years. You feel me? Paul Bunyan slept and the motherfucker grew a beard, which I shaved before I, like, you feel me? Paul Bunyan slept after his, and the motherfucker grew a beard, which I shaved before I got here.

You feel me? So it's like, I'm not sleeping, and I know what my hand calls for. Right. Nobody's going to play in my face.

So, from the verses, it have to be me plus friends, because I don't want to battle nobody, because when you realize, damn, she did that? When I realize all that I've done, I've commemorated all the shows that I've done for

free the tours that I've been on and been in the middle of the airport but like damn I gotta get home and motherfuckers cut you know cut me off in the middle I realized I was always out here I had a couple of people with me but now I have a team you're gonna respect the team Javante Tavis, he from Baltimore. I saw him grow up as a younger, and I like what he said. He was just like, yo, the team, my team stay on me. The things I do, why would

you do that? What does that have to do with you? Delete it. Somebody may have screenshot it, but delete it. That's not you. There's a new you. You have to reinvent yourself. If you want to go to the next level, I reinvented myself. And people are going to respect it.

Goddamn, make some noise for that. Thank you. We can't think. I feel like I'm going to close it out, but I've got to close it out on a shot. It's 5 o'clock somewhere. Yeah, yeah, we might as well. Let's do it.

This is amazing, because you know how much these shots cost, after the goddamn hotel? $50. We spare no expense here at Drink Champs. Period. You a legend. You a legend.

Thank you. And at first, I was afraid of that title, because people think legend means old. Nah, nah, nah. Seasoned. Seasoned. Period. Veteran.

The best food in the world is when you season it and you leave it overnight. Period. Purple Heart. You let that season in. I done been through the bullshit. You let that shit marinate. You seen the industry.

Bees ain't answer? Nah, he ain't answer. Don't worry. Nobody can't get bees on the phone? No, don't worry. Because we going to take some pictures. You going to do some drops. And then, you know, he might walk out of the isca bibbles.

You never know. Is that still open? I don't know. Bees cooks. I always say that.ibles. You never know. Is that still open? I don't know. I just always say that. Beef cooks. I always say that. Uh-huh. Yeah. Come on.

Maca hair ping pong. Maca hair ping pong. That's my man. That's my man. That's my man. He not answer it? Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs

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