Drink Champs - Episode 275 w/ Dame Grease

Episode Date: August 20, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with Dame Grease!The legendary producer shares his story, working for Bad Boy Records, Dame helped produce on some of the labels most notable albums. Working with Mase on “Harlem World” and The Lox “Money, Power & Respect” and more. Working with Ruff Ryders Ent., Dame was the primary producer on DMX’s iconic debut album “It’s Dark and Hell Is Hot”. Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise for the Dame Grease!!!💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucking. What it good be? Hope it is what it should be. It's your boy, N-A-L-N-A-A. What up? It's DJ E-F-N. And it's Drink Champs, motherf It's your boy, N-A-L-N-A-A. What up, it's DJ E-F-N. And it's Drink Chance motherfucker, Yappy Hour.

Make some noise! Now, this guy here has been putting in tremendous, tremendous, tremendous amount of work. I always say that he doesn't get the credit he deserves, but from the streets, he does get the credit he deserves. The streets recognize him. They recognize for the brilliance that he's been a part of, with phenomenal people's careers like the late, great, legendary DMX. I believe he created the wave as well. He definitely smoked sour diesel and caught a body with me.

We threw the body in the trunk. From likes of Cam'ron to Mase to whatever, baking live music. You know, in the 90s when you were out, that shit meant something. That shit was, it was an era. And then for him to keep going, him to still be here,

still be the person that he is, we are going to get all in his business today. We're going to ask about anything. You know what I mean? From the wave to whatever, whatever. And in case you don't know who we're talking about, we're talking about motherfucking Dame. Great picture. Now, let's take it from the beginning

because when we first... Get At Me Dog is... You produce Get At Me Dog? Yeah. Okay, okay. So, for the first time, we've seen DMX. Yeah. Get At Me Dog.

You describe that situation. Actually, kind of go back a little bit. Okay. Mary had told Puff about the locks. Okay. You know what I'm saying? That's when the locks got signed to Bad Boy, and me and Mase came from Harlem up to Yonkers.

Right. Because Y kept trying to get me with my beats up to Yonkers. Right. For the locks of X and shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? And then, boom, they got signed, and then I saw He was like

The young niggas And bad boy Running around Wow And Big was like In the next room He was doing this One two

Thug dizzle Right You know what I'm saying Just to be clear Yeah Notorious Big Yeah You know what I'm saying

Yeah We say a lot of Bigs Out here Right Notorious one Okay You know what I'm saying So he like

You know He was in the You know Locks just got signed, mates just got signed. Dog was running around like you always say, you robbing niggas with the dog. You know what I'm saying? That shit.

So we was like, we was young, you know, a puff was digging the beats, you know what I'm saying? So we was in there, locks to the joint with Biggie, you know what I'm saying? And we was like, oh, we're getting close, we're getting close. And then I think Pac had put out Hit Em Up. And we was just, fuck, we was like, oh, fuck. You was in Bad Boy Studios when you were saying, oh, fuck?

Yeah, man. Like, we was like, damn, man, we ain't going to make it. Yeah, but it was the older Gs, you know, Puff and, you know and all the Brooklyn niggas, you know what I'm saying? So they was all, we was like the little niggas like, fuck, why now? You know what I'm saying? But we actually happened to fly out there with them and shit. When Big Ed did get killed, you know what I'm saying? What's up on L.A.?

Yeah, Cali, you know. And when we came back, that's when we made Real's Love Big Papa. Wow. You know what I'm saying? We had to do the record first. And then, he was like we can't put this out We don't want you know, Paul for the family think we try monopolize on Tread situations so we gave the record a pop first, you know saying and it was like we always loved Big Papa Yep, the Papa didn't on with puff hurting and shit or him him and all there was crying. It was like, yo, thank you

Okay Yeah, I was my very first record At the time we heard get at me dog It was so much of a new sound so much of a new style right that. That I would have thought that that was your first record. But that sample had been used before though. Yes, it's been used. It was the way the sample has been used is the reason why I'm saying it.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying. All right, all right. This record, get at me dawg, you produced it. Yes. You know this is a monster? Yeah. All right, okay. Nah, because I'm telling you

I knew it was crazy Because We first I get the little pre-stories With the story Okay First was niggas The starless son

On the mix safe Niggas done starless Where we was like Who's that? That's the locks Locks Mason Dawg Mason Dawg You know what I'm saying?

So it was like Yeah we gonna eat these niggas And then we attempted To recreate it Not recreate it But we like We to do another posse cut. And that was Get At Me, Dog, the first version. The first version actually had Sheik on there. No, the first one was all of them.

All of them on there. Yeah, it was all the locks and X. He did a whole other version. The white label that came out was. Yeah, see, we put it and put it as a remix. But it's a very original version. Wow. And that saw E in the clue tapes. He was like, oh, we got these niggas. And a remix, but it's a very original version. Wow. And I saw E in the clue tapes.

He was like, oh, we got these niggas. The ex said, fuck that. He wanted to go dolo. Yeah, now. It's a noise for ex. Now. He right there. He right there watching over us. Right.

He right there watching over us. And then it came, see, boom. Then Irv got the position at Def Jam. Boom. And Irv was like, yo, Leo, we got to sign this nigga. Boom boom boom And the momentum Was going so crazy

With Dawg was on 432 No it was 24 Hours to Live first Oh wow Then 432 That was the base record Right

24 Hours to Live Right And then I was eating them And niggas was like Oh my god Cause I remember He got in the mud He was the only one

Who got in the mud Everybody else stayed pretty Dirty nigga Grime nigga Money nigga He jumped in the mud Yes yes was the only one who got in the mud. Everybody else stayed pretty. Dirty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He jumped in the mud. Yes, yes. Right.

He was different. Yeah. So it was like, boom. We started doing that. It was like, oh, shit, the momentum, the momentum. Like, yo, hit three verses on the Get At Me Dog beat. Right. So we used the same beat, and that's the Get At Me Dog that we know.

I'm not going to lie to you. That was my year, 1998. Best year of my life. So 1997 goes to year, 1998. Best year of my life. So 1997 going to 1998. Best year of my life. All that set up that you're saying that was happening, I saw none of that.

I saw none of that. All I saw was, what the fuck is that? Get at me, dog. When that shit dropped. And then the fact is, I don't know whose idea it was, was the video was black and white.

Black and white. That video was incredible. I think it was Def Jam and Hype. I was pissed about the video. Listen, I ain't gonna lie. Listen, I'm not gonna lie.

I got a video banned from TV. I hate banned from TV video. But it actually does work, right? Right. But at least you can see Get At Me Dog. You can't even see banned from TV. Nah, you can't even see us.

I was on stage. No, but I learned that that's an art. That's why you don't like it. Right, I learned that that's an art. Like making it look fucked up like that. It was grimy. It was a grimy ass video. Okay, so when I see the actual video,

I said, Hype Williams did a black, because it's not doing a cheap video. Right. It's that it was black and white. Right. So, now, I heard you say that earlier. So, when you see the video, you're like, fuck. Yeah, I'm like, fuck, you can't see me.

You can't see nobody. But I get it, though. Over the years, I'm like, oh, it was the electricity. Yeah. Like, oh, I got it, I got it. I think the videos will help carry the record eventually. Yeah. The visual to go with the sound. Right, Hype made it look electric. Yeah. Like, oh, I got it, I got it. I think the videos will help carry the record eventually. Yeah. The visual to go with the sound.

Right, Hype made it look electric. Right. And this is the time Hype was shooting Missy videos, he's shooting Busta Rhymes videos. Yeah, I'm looking for one of those. You know what I'm saying? You know, for Africans to come out with elephants. Yeah, like. And you like, damn, that's just a tunnel?

That's it? That's it? There's nothing to the video. That's it. That's just another tunnel, black and white. Right. Shit is real. Yeah. But it was real though. He did what he was supposed to do with the video. That's it. It just has to turn to black and white. Shit is real. But it was real, though.

He did what he was supposed to do. He captured it, yeah. So, now, this whole first album. Yes. When I look at the credits, it's mostly you, P.K., Swiss. Am I missing somebody? Irv. Irvhmm. Swiss. Mm-hmm. Am I missing somebody or? Irv. Irv.

Okay. Okay. All right. So y'all creating this album. Yes. Describe to us what's going on. Okay. Quick little flashback.

The reason why he came down to Harlem 2-9, he was like, yo, man, we need your beats with these cats we got in the Yonkers. And who's coming down, you said? Wah. Wah. Okay. I knew Wahkeem first. Okay. We just know him as Wah. You're hitting him with the Wahkeem and that all shit. Right. It's like when people call him Marshall. We don't know who the hell that is.

You know, when Marshall came down, right. I love Eminem, too. He showed us it was poor white people in the world. Especially us from New York. Right, right. Exactly, exactly. Okay, so Y came down. Yeah, Y came down to the block. He used to come a couple times. Like, yo, man, get down with us, man.

I'm like, nah, fuck out of here, nigga. We getting money. You know what I'm saying? And then he came down one time. I was like, yo, you better get down with us. Oh, shit. Click. You know what I'm saying?

Him and Big Spank. We pulled out. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, yo, I'm chilling. And then I was like, yo, this nigga's crazy. You would get shot to get me to Yonkers. Wow, wow. Me and Big Sam said, yo, let's go to Yonkers.

Then that's the locks came out first. With KC, though. So I always thought it was four of them. You know what I'm saying? He came out, get, get, get, get me in. Bitch like, yo, these niggas is fire. You know what I'm saying? He kept saying, well, now we got to find the big dog.

He's out doing crazy shit. niggas is fire. Right. You know what I'm saying? He kept saying, well, now we got to find the big dog. Right. He's out doing crazy shit. We got to find him. Right. And then. They knew X was always the big star. They knew. Wow,

that's amazing. X used to call the locks the pups. Yeah, the pups, I know. You know what I'm saying? Right. Then,

then by the time Dog came to studio, you know, you know what I'm saying? And you had knew the dog before then, or no? No, never. Okay,

so this is your first time meeting the dog? First time, 95. Did he have a dog with him? At that time, You know what I'm saying And you had knew the dog Before then or no? No Okay so this is your first time Meeting the dog I would like to hear this story 95 Did he have a dog with him? At that time I don't know I don't know Cause why dog grudge

Was always around And if dog did have a dog It wasn't cause grudge Was one of them Like I'm talking about Him sitting down And towering over This motherfucker

Big Big Brooklyn dog Right Now he's just Looking at this and shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Real dog culture over there. Real dog culture. You know what I'm saying?

So, um. Can't be a cat person to be down with Rough Riders, right? Nah, nah. Don't be that guy. Say nah, it gotta be official, official. You can't be no runny dog here. Not no fucking skinny ass, big head. Get that shit out of there.

Can't have a Mortis. It's not gonna have, It's not gonna look good And if your dog lose a fight He gotta get buried Okay Cool But um But at the same time

This shit You know what I'm saying He came to Stude He was super hyphy You know what I'm saying And he had books And books And books

And books And books And raps Oh okay And you know why He came with all the books All the books He would move every time

With the whole library. Wow. He wasn't like, I'm going somewhere, I'm taking a book. Right. No. He moved with the library. Wow. Probably to just a couple years ago.

Like a DJ with all his crates. Exactly. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because he's from the era. You know what I'm saying? I'd fuck out of here with all that shit. You know what I'm saying?

So, boom. He would come. And then, like, he, like, you know, while I was like, yo, spit that one for him. Then he'd be like, do-do-do-do what I'm saying? So boom, he had come, and then he like, you know, Wild was like, yo, spit that one for him. Then he like, do do do do do, I'm like, ooh. And he's spitting that for you? Yeah. Okay. I'm like, ooh.

Spit that one for him, do do do do do do, I'm like, ooh. Probably like two verses, I'm like, hold on. Say that to this. All right. Choo choo choo, I'm like, oh, we got something. All right. We got something. All right. I said, say that other one to this beat

Boom Oh we got something That other one say it to this beat Boom I'm like oh yeah we in here Now we in the pocket Cause my beats was always theatric And he's theatric So it was like a match

The hip hoppy hoppy hoppy shit You know what I'm saying? He rhymed to it on Freestyles and Coming Up, but it came with that gothic, you know what I'm saying? You know how Body in the Trunk is. You know what I'm saying? It's like gothic and metropolitan. When he came with them balls and I came with that,

it was like, oh shit. Got him. You you know I'm saying then Irv got the fucking position it was like oh we in there and Irv I ain't gonna lie I gotta give Irv his props and shit he give Irv his props yeah he tap dance and I think he almost got fired trying to get trying to get dog like you ain't signing my quit and Leo was like damn this dude is passionate. Come on, let's go to Yonkers. And that's when Dawg had the broken jaw. You were there that day?

I was playing the beats. Oh. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Niggas was trying to leave my name out of shit. Get the fuck out of here with that. We ain't doing that. We ain't letting any of you guys get out of here with all that, man.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm playing the joints, he cutting niggas down. Cutting niggas. He could only eat oatmeal and shit. For months. Wired. Yeah, wired. He was the first to wire.

Yeah, he was the first one. He would break it a little bit, get a little more. Yeah, that's some crazy shit. That scene is just amazing. I feel like I was there. I heard it from Lior, I heard it from Irv,

I heard it from you, I heard it from... I'm playing the beats, he cutting niggas. Cunt, cunt, from you. I'm playing the beat. He cutting it. Cunt, cunt, cunt. I don't even know who. And these were beats that he was used to or he was just all fresh? No, it was fresh.

If it's dope, he'll catch it. Like if it was a beat playing right now, the motherfucker, he kick some shit, he'll catch that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think DMX liked me more when I stopped rapping. Oh, shit. You became non-competition. I think we got close. You ain't fucking around

no more in school. I think that's how much of a competition guy you are. I'm not going to lie. It was a little different. It was hard for me to have friends and shit.

Right. You know, around in prom time. Right. Because... Because somebody get no bite, no beat. So I'm like, nigga.

Right. International. Damn, damn. I got to move around a little bit. Like, come on. beat. So I'm like, nigga. Right. International. Damn, damn. I got to move around a little bit. Like, come on. You know what I'm saying? Spend that portfolio. Yeah, like, you know, come on, man.

I love the squad, but I got to. I had to come to Queens. Right, right, right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Hold on, hold on. All right, all right. We're going to get there. All right.

When I Googled you, something amazing came up. It said Harlem But it said Born in the Bronx Yeah Is that the truth? Okay Yeah I'm born in the Bronx

Okay born in the Bronx High Bridge Projects Okay That's where my pops live at My mom's live right down the block That's where Cardi B from? Yeah High Bridge Projects

And they boogie So that gives me A little extra criminess Okay Yeah you know what I'm saying You know Harlem We gonna be flashy But I still wanna

Punch a nigga in the chest You know what I'm saying Like a little more flashy, but I still want to punch a nigga in the chest. You know what I'm saying? Like a little more. Me and Cousins will talk about that and shit. We might be richer, the nigga still might get stuck. Right, right. So during the course of time, I started to think of something the other day, knowing that I had you here. And I just want to be straight up and just ask the question, right?

Like, I don't remember seeing you and Sw Swiss in the same room in over 10 years. No. Only time I could think of you and Swiss being in the same room was like in the 98 era of that time. Yeah. And I don't know. This is a question I seriously don't know. Like, I know I'm close to both sides, so I should know. Yeah.

But I seriously don't know this. I swear know I'm close to both sides, so I should know, but I seriously don't know this. I swear to God, I swear to God, if you want to take, my fingers not crossed, none of that, you know that funny shit

niggas do? I swear to God, I don't know the answer to this. Why is that, though? Like, you, it's, mm-hmm. Ah, okay. I did,

we always loved Big Papa. I did, If You Think I'm Jiggy, five cuts on Money Power Respect. Boom. I did Get At Me, Dog. Numerous cuts and co-produced on, like, these 13 cuts on It's Alcohol, It's Hot. Then when it came time for Flesh of My Flesh.

That's the blood. The blood. Right. You know what I'm saying? I was getting kind of vetoed. I was getting kind of blocked. Pushed out of it? Yeah, I was getting kind of blocked because. I was getting kind of blocked. Pushed out of it? Yeah, I was getting kind of blocked

because Rough Riders was my management. I wasn't a Rough Rider producer. You know what I'm saying? So at the same time, my phone calls stopped coming through the office on 53rd. I'm like, yo, I got just sold 7 million records collectively. Matter of fact, went on. You know, there's a little big pop up

at B-Side in the Mississippi. That's like 6 million. Wow. Money, Power, like six million. Wow. Money Power Respect went 1.5, Dog went about three, Out the Gate, five.

All that under their management? Yeah. Under their management? You know what I'm saying? So you're saying at the beginning of them starting Flesh of My Flesh, this is where you felt

I'm vetoed? I think you said it. Yeah, like my phone calls wasn't coming through. From the management? Yeah, so I had to go

a little deep cover. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I spoke to, I think I spoke to SoSoDeaf. They was like, yo, they said you're not doing beats no more. Hmm. Hold on, hold up. Okay, and they're insinuating this is coming from your account?

Exactly. Wow, okay. From my management. Okay, wow. You know what I'm saying? So the same time, and this actually is written in blood. You know what I'm saying? So at the same time, and this actually is written in blood. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

At the same time, I'm doing Flesh of Flesh. If you know the Swits, the majority of Flesh of My Flesh and different things. And I did one song. It's called Dogs for Life. You know what I'm saying?

At the same time, when Dog was catching the vibes, he just made the song for me. I'll rob a seal with your dog, nigga, what? Ride till we die, thick like blood. You know what I'm saying? So with the one song I did on Flesh My Flesh, Dog just, he made it for me. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? Let you know Greece, nigga, I'm here. Right. You know what I'm saying? Besides what the politics is. Right. You know what I'm saying? But actually, Swizz is successful too.

Let's not get it twisted. Right, right, right. No weirdo shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, it was the politics is. You know what I'm saying? But actually, Swiss is successful too. Let's not get into it. No weirdo shit. Actually, it was the best thing that happened to me. Not being a part of Flesher in my flesh as much as you wanted to be? Nah, just really, it made me to an individual producer. Like going through that. Yeah, it made me to like, I increase.

You know what I'm saying? Lavalinus came after that. Yeah, Lavalinus came after that. Let's stay focused. Let's stay over here. Let's stay over there. Okay, all right. Bless my flesh. You're feeling a little crazy, but you don't get word.

You get word from social death, but did you ever go to your management and say, yo, what's going on here? Not quite. Okay. Not quite. You took social death work? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I got it from the office downtown.

I'm not going to say specific names, but the ladies are working there. There's some funny shit going on. Right. They sending your phone calls to another producer. Someone's forth. I'm like, oh. But the cap all is up.

Pull up the Jay-Z clip. Jay-Z said it all in one shot. Okay, what clip is this? It's a clip that Jay-Z put up, because actually, I'm so glad Jay did it, I'm like,

ah, shit, I don't have to tell this fucking story no more. Wow. Damn. But Jay was like, for one of his albums, like, yo,

I went to the dude who was doing all them records. Right. Dame Grease, that produced the song, Hell It's Hot.

Right. And then, that shit smell good too. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? Right. It's a super thug OG thing. Right.

Yes, yes, yes. Continue. Then Jay was like, you know, I wanted Dame Grease and then he sent me the nephew. But now I wanted Grease. I'm like,

nah, y'all can't be sending me. What y'all doing? You know what I'm saying? So at the same time, you know what I'm saying? You know, Jay,

you kept it official. Like, nah, but me and the nephew, we did some hits. You know what I'm saying? We did some shit. You know what I'm saying? So at the same time, you know what I'm saying? You know, Jay, you kept it official. Like, nah, but me and the nephew, we did some hits. You know what I'm saying? We did some shit. You know what I'm saying? But I came front. I went to work with that nigga. Wow.

So that was one of the phone calls that got redistributed. Wow. Did you ever get a chance to work with the whole? One song. Okay. Freeway, Big Spender. Oh, wow. Hey, Big Spender Oh wow Hey Big Spender You know what I'm saying

Okay Yeah That was the only time It's the only time But we actually We always have Great good dialogue Especially on the tours

With Dog and everything Great dialogue You always give me A lot of great insight So This is for people That don't know And obviously me

I'm a part of that Yes That don't know So Flesh of My Flesh comes out, another successful, he has two number one albums in one year. You guys know each other from back then.

You did feel a little veto, like you said. How do you... Black ball. Black ball, okay. So how do you and X amend this? How do y'all come back together? No, Dog never, ever, ever, Dog. You never saw it as him

doing anything. No, dog, never, ever. I love my nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga. All right. He always kept it two billion with me. Oh.

Always. Grease saw a new album, Pull Up. Right. If nobody else wanted me to. Right. His movie scores, Grease, I'm doing a movie

called Exit Moons. Come do the score. Do the whole score on that. Grease, I'm doing a movie called Exit Moons. Come do the score. Do the whole score on that. Grease, I'm doing a movie called Cradle to the Grave. Come do the score on that. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And all the main things and shit.

So he will always keep me involved with all his projects or anything he was doing. But earlier you said you felt blackballed. You can't feel blackballed if you're doing scores. Nah. Nah, I was... Blackballed in your own society, in your own camp, you're saying? Nah, you know, from the Rough Riders situation, it was a little, yeah, it was a little like, I don't know, but from X, there's DMX.

Let me just ask this question straight out. You thought it was Swiss himself saying... Nah, hell no, never. Nah, never, never, I never, hell no. Never. All right. Cool, cool, cool. Nah, never. I never, never, never, never, never. I'm actually quite proud of Swiss.

Okay. But y'all was just having a beat competition. That's what everyone had at that time. Not quite. Really? I didn't know I was having a beat competition. Oh, okay. I'm just cranking and doing dope shit.

All right. I didn't know it was a competition and close the door behind you shit. It's always competition. It's always competition. I didn't know. I just do dope shit. I didn't know it was like

getting the closest door behind you. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes it happens like that. I don't want to say sometimes it is like that, but sometimes it happens like that. Right, right.

Oh, wow. This is interesting shit. This is interesting shit. No, it's dope though, man. It's dope. It's still a movie. Still filming, you know? So what part of you and DMX

is going back together on his albums? Because I know you said that the soundtracks. The third album. The third album? Then it was X. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? That album was super successful too. Right. When I came in, I came in on DXL. Okay. With the Locks and Drag. And damn, what the fuck I reckon on that? Fame. When I came in, I came in on DXL with the Locks and Drags.

Damn, what the fuck a record on that? Fame. Fame. My nigga, see? Boom. Fame, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, came in on there, boom. You know what I'm saying?

That was the third album. Okay, fast forward to the new album. Exodus. Yeah, that's it, right? Exodus, right there, right? Yeah. That's it, right? Exodus right there, right? Yeah. That's it, right? Were you on there? No.

Okay. What did you think about the album? It was politically correct. That's a politically correct answer. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? I don't have no... I actually love the album.

Yeah, I don't... And trust me, social media and all that shit. You ain't know what I'm saying I don't have no I actually love the album Yeah I don't I don't And like And trust me Like social media And all that shit You ain't no Your beast is the Heart of soul of exit You know

Everything You know what I'm saying I didn't even have to Put up a post It's like If I'm on this album But not Support my

Motherfucking nigga Right I'm not with all that Shit You know what I'm saying I know it's kids But why are you saying It's politically correct You know what I'm saying? I know his kids. But why are you saying it's politically correct?

You got to think about it. Actually, Swiss is a good name and a good brand. So it's only right for him to push it and put things together to get what, you know what I'm saying, it could be, you know, got and gone

and even bringing all the celebrities involved to support and different things. It was done real good, you know what I'm saying. But politically correct, that's like something different. I mean, I was expecting. Hot, cool. No, I mean it's hot, you know what I'm saying, but I'm

saying like. Politically correct means Yeah, not only am I producing shit, you know what I'm saying, I I'm saying like... Politically correct means... Yeah, not only am I producing this shit, you know what I'm saying? I'm the president too. Right. So I'm going to look at things like, and even if I'm not producing on it, I'm going to look at things like,

okay, the marketing on this shit is A+. I like the way that went down. Okay, these things right here, so it's four. I learned that from Jay. You know what I'm saying? Just the things, just to make sure things sell

and get to where they need to be without the ego of just me being on it. The 360 view of everything. Let me ask you something else in that vein. What do you think the album would have sounded like had X been here? Because I think he was here for most of the competition. The album was done. I heard a lot of it.

No, it was different. It was different. Before it was completed? The album that came out is not the exact version he was working on. But before it was completed? The album that came out, it's not the exact version he was working on. I know there was records that he talked about that never made the cut. No, all the records he spoke about on Dream Champs actually made it.

There was a record that everybody kept saying, yeah, the Pop Smoke record. Oh, Pop Smoke, okay. That was more than that probably. Okay, damn, that's right. I forgot that. Oh, okay, I heard, yeah. That was more in that probably. Yeah, okay, damn, that's right, I forgot that. And then they added when you back up with Pops in the... Right.

Oh, okay, yeah. Pop Smoke was on that beat? Money, money, money, money. But for the most part, like 90%, I heard it. I didn't hear it when Ludewijn was on the record, and I didn't hear the Nas and the Jay record. Like, I didn't hear that at all. Swiss had that record for like four, couple years.

Yeah, it sounds like, you know. This shit was banging though. It was banging. That lock joint. This is for my dogs. You know what I'm saying? That shit came from. So, you even did an album with Riff Raff.

Yeah. What's that bag like? That was, it was independent. It was independent, but it was still a bag. Yeah, it was. So what, y'all went half and half on an independent?

Um, we did as a mixtape first, you know what I'm saying? We did, see now that was, see that's different. Okay. Yo,

producing locks and X, yo, fan base was coming, Chris, what are you doing? Oh my God. Oh,

fucking a riff rap? Yeah. Oh yeah, I could imagine. They was shooting me up like, oh no. Oh, crazy. See, I met Riff, you know what I'm saying, with Andy Milonakis. And I probably said... Andy Milonakis? Yeah, I probably said the name first. He's dope.

He's dope. Dirt Nasty. Yeah, he was MTV host before I did. The white boy group. Three Migos,'t have a group Three Migos And I did the track For them

Wow And Riff was like You got more of those I'm like yeah You know what I'm saying I wasn't really aware Of his fan base I saw him do some research

Like damn Yeah they got like A cult following Yeah he got some Whole other shit going on He got like WWF type of shit You rolled it up Yeah

Come on So I'm like You know what Nah we gonna go in Okay And he shocked the shit out of me Okay We started doing an album And he was like Going Him Come on So I'm like You know what Nah we gonna go in Okay I shocked the shit out of me Okay We started doing an album

And he was just like Going ham In his way ham Right I'm like Oh he is ill And when I was listening I'm like

Yo he looked at a lot of TV As a kid He looked at a lot of You could tell He was just in In the crib Looking at MTV Looking at

I'm going Connie like Chung, spitting all type of wild bars and shit. And then when the project came out, a lot of people was like, yo, Grease, how you do that? You know the Lox and X fans. How you do that? How you make me like him? Make me like him.

That's dope. That's dope. How you do that, you know what I'm saying? And it just was a whole different music, you know, that I was like,

it was cool. You know what I'm saying? It was different than shit. Because I mean, like, you know, with Dog and The Lock, we killed everybody. We killed half of the world. Catch a nigga,

kill him, and then I'm like, all right, let me do some colorful shit. So how do y'all two connect? Riffraffing you? No, through the group. Oh, through that group?

Yeah. Okay. Actually, I'm hiking and saying, my man Big Chuck, Phoenix, Arizona and shit, you know what I'm saying? He throw the shows, he got the store out there, and he hooked it up. Well, y'all know I was living in Phoenix

for a couple years and shit, so he was like, yo, I'm hooking you up with Dirk. All of y'all was living out there, X2, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I first went out there with ex. Hunting snakes and shit like that. Living mad white boyish. Let's look at that.

Out there with ex one day he told me, let's go hunt some snakes. Like, hold on, buddy. This is not normal city shit. When did y'all came out here moving to Phoenix and y'all just changed

to hunting snakes and shit like that? Come on. It's funny, I still hunt raccoons wherever I'm at. You hunting raccoons? Nah, nah, nah. I'm scared to death of raccoons. I live right now. You hunting raccoons? Nah, nah, nah.

I'm scared to death of raccoons. I'm not going to even say that because it might be some type of law. Nah, I don't think nobody cares about no raccoons. I'm going to be honest. I got a friend named Raccoon.

No one cares about him. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm just throwing it out there. All right, so we going to hunt raccoons. But y'all was hunting raccoons? Holy shit. Nah, nah. That's where I live now.

Y'all don't eat raccoons though, right? Nah. Nah, them motherfuckers ate the rattlesnakes. I ain't eat it though. Wait, the raccoons eat the rattlesnakes? No, no, no, no. The rattlesnakes eat the raccoons. No, two different coasts.

Okay. Where I live now, there's raccoons and deers. Now, living in Phoenix is- That sound like you in the Carolinas or somewhere. Right. Okay, cool. All right, cool. Now, living in Phoenix is scorpions, rattlesnakes. Eat the raccoons. Tarantulas. No, there's All right, cool. Now, living in Phoenix, there's scorpions, rattlesnakes.

It's the raccoons. Tarantulas. No, it's no raccoons in Phoenix. I'm just trying to throw raccoons at them. My bad. I'm sorry. We're going to get the motherfuckers, though. All right, cool. Okay. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.

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French Montana walk in, and I forget the name of this porn star chick. I wouldn't blow her name up. I don't remember her name is. But they came down. This is a long time ago, obviously. It was a lot of porn stars at that time. Max B and French Montana lost they mind

because they seen this porn star chick. Was it Roxy? Roxy Reynolds. God damn it, it was Roxy Reynolds. Roxy Reynolds, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I'm blowing it up. Crazy for Roxy Reynolds, yo. They went so ham for it and here I am, like when I jerk off, I just regular jerk off like you know

what I'm saying I ain't need the internet and got it like they knew my name and all that so I like but what what do you do I don't need the internet you got a great imagination hey man hey that's why I can write rhymes you gotta you gotta picture it so but they were so into that so I say let's let's just let's just describe Max B for people who never met Max B. Oh, man. Let's describe Max B if you can. Nah, I ain't gonna lie. He's a funny motherfucker, dude.

That's my little bro, man. I love him, man. Nah, Max, man, he, sheesh, like, he put the whole thing... Pre-story? Yes. Pre-story? Yes. Pre-story.

But. Okay. And you got something to do with this pre-story too. I believe so, I got something to do with everything. That's right. You actually do. Matter of fact, just to go back, after the black ball, you know the niggas first niggas who fuck with me, right?

No. Was you. Goddamn it, that's the oldest beat. That's the oldest beat, that's it. I'm that guy, let me pat myself on Let's all speak. I'm that guy. Let me pat myself on the back. You made body and trunk

and that's why I was in Queens. Yes, yes. And now I am. Yes. But all right, boom. All right, it was 2006, 2007. And by the way,

I don't think he was blackballed though, I'm going to be honest. No, it was a, it was a, it was a not my phone calls coming through. Okay. Through my management.

So I had to get out there On my own And find my own way Okay And it worked out Pretty spectacular Thank you God Yes

2002 you said that Right Not 2006 2007 And just as New York We getting clobbered Right Now I love all music

You know If you see my catalog I've worked with Right Yeah I ain't gonna say everybody But just the nice I'm just over here Bugging it How much Animated Colorful Artists You know what if you see my catalog, I work with, I ain't going to say everybody, but just the nice animated, colorful artists. You know what I'm saying?

So you meet Max B in 2016. Right. Now, we getting clobbered. I'm talking about New York. And niggas is trying to come. I hate these songs. We bringing New York back. Oh, my God.

And everybody doing the nay-nay and all that. And they whipping it. And nay-nay. nae and all that? Nah, it just, no niggas from the city. I'm just saying, they was whipping the nae nae. Yeah, it just, you know what I'm saying?

Now, I sat in the crib, right? And this is going to fuck you up a little bit. I'm in the crib, I'm like, yo man,

I got to make something that's on me. Okay. I'm not an artist, but I just, I know what I need. And I pull my piano out. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

And then I'm like, fuck it. We smoking sour. Then I send it to you. Then I send it to Styles. And y'all put verses on it. And we shot it. And it started bringing the city back. Because we had the weed from New York that was clicking.

It was a gangster. That was actually from New York. Sour was a New York thing. New York Sour Diesel. To this day, it's still sour everywhere. Right. Gangster and fun song at the same time. And then it was dead.

And then you robbed me for the song and you put it in all reality it's okay it's okay it's probably me go ahead

you know what I'm saying you can remember now yeah but you let Mephid rob me for your you're right and I that was me

Mephid caught me one day I was like that was crazy he was like the song I got on my album that I just recently tried to read it for so I'm listening I'm like he's like He was like The song I got on My album So I'm listening

I'm like He's like Yo Nori I got this verse That you did So I'm trying to clear it And I'm like Yo Meph is mad high

And they're like How Meph high I said I never did a verse for Meph Right So I'm not putting together That it's Grease

Who gave it to him So then they finally Play it for me I'm like Yo Meph is an ill nigga How did he get that? I forgot. And it turned out

it was Grease. But go ahead, let's get back to your story. Right, you know what I'm saying? So let's, hold on, because I'm going to get

to Sour for a separate part. But I wanted to get, like when you first knew that Max B was like, because he was a different type of artist. Like I thought you were saying, that's why you were saying

New York was getting crushed. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? See, the thing was, it was right off the Bird Gang. I was about to ask you. Right, with Max.

Off of the Bird Gang. Right, and Max's brother, my nigga Mike Murda, shout out to Mike Murda, you know what I'm saying? He was like, Chris, get this nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, let him leave Bird Gang, you're saying? Nah, he was, they had the friction already. I don't know what the fuck it was. That's why you see that come up video.

I'm like, what you think about it? And I don't think nothing about it. That's they shit and they know they shit. You know what I'm saying? Boom. So I said, you ain't not going to give me the, I ain't no loaded nigga. You know what I'm saying? So at the same time, Mac's brother was like, yo, get this nigga, man.

Get this nigga, man. They going to kill this nigga, man. I'm telling you, get this nigga. Because it was the music and the streets. The streets, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, all right, cool. And then, you know, I'm telling you You get this nigga Because it was the Music and the streets The streets yeah You know what I'm saying So it was like Alright cool

And then you know I'm like yeah alright Bring him to the studio He's like no Please Get him Please I'm like

Oh Oh Bring him up So he came up Boom He was like Yo man You know

Just like Dog But in a different way, another very animated artist. You know what I'm saying? And then he started going. I'm like, damn, this nigga's different. Right. You know what I'm saying? So we started, you know, shout out to Young Lo's. Young Lo's was doing a lot of his beats, and they started coming up to,

you want to tell me that you want to go to consul me? I'm like, this is different. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh, this is groovy. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to come in and do,

let me turn the tempo up. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Didn't it? Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Monday. And then we just started doing it from there. And then we just started grooving and then that's when French came on. French came with the

Cocaine City DVDs. See, French was young French first. When it come up, DVD was Doggy Diamonds. When you said the DVD earlier, I immediately thought of French Montana. I was out of line. I was sitting there with Doggy Diamonds. That was the DVD, Doggy Diamonds, and I believe I got the other guy's name, but it was Cocaine, what?

City. Cocaine City. Cocaine City was a French Montana DVD, and he was still, he was coming out of being, that's my nigga Coke Boy Drew Pop right there, bang bang, you know what I'm saying? He was coming out of being young French. Okay.

When I was just rapping names like French Montana now. You know what I'm saying? So boom, him and Max started doing the tape. And we did the Coke Wave tape, all three of us and shit, with the DVD. You know what I'm saying? The DVD game was moving and shit. So boom, did that shit. That shit's a pew.

You know what I'm saying? Matter of fact, let me rewind a little bit. After the Sour Diesel, you got the Baby Gran situation. Then I got the baby grand situation then i got the baby grand situation i did ghoul music so when i was doing ghoul music i was still on that beginning clobbered i just got to do something so i made the whole uh mixtape just hard me rapping on everything and so on and so forth i'm like i don't care niggas like me or not then i had max come do one song connecticut kush connecticut. Yeah, that shit said, boom, blue.

And he was like, yo, I hear what you doing. We didn't talk about nothing, but he felt the vibe was like, I'm Achilles niggas. I'm not the artist, but I'm still Achilles niggas because I know the wavelength.

You know what I'm saying? He's like, Grease, I got it. Let me do it. I'm like, go ahead. And then that's why I did the mix, say Goon Music 1.5, and shit said, pew, and after that.

Then we did Coke Wave and Mac with Cheez. So did you ever get, like, any slack from, like, the Dipset side because, you know, you being Harlem related and him being Harlem?

I'm pretty sure... Okay. I'm pretty sure somebody felt the fuck a certain way. That's what it is. Who, well, hey, whatever. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Right. Nobody never said nothing to me. Right. Right. Right. Okay, so now, let's move on to French for a second. Yes.

We're seeing French announcing projects with Harry Ford. Yes. We see it, and we know it's nothing, but does that feel weird? Are you seeing that sometimes? Um, Not quite Frenchman working with Harry for actually I was working for her for two actually I've wrapped a couple of B's to a while ago

Funny story with Harry fraud to let's get to it. Pretty sorry. Yeah, let's get to it That's what we here for I story with Harvey Fraud too. Let's get to it. Pre-story? Yeah, let's get to it. Be into it. That's what we here for. Niggas might be mad, I don't care. But boy, Dre, right? I think he had purchased some of Harvey Fraud equipment back then. He had purchased or perks of Harvey Fraud? Purchased.

So at the same time, I think Harvey Fraud are probably because a lot of producers double beats up. You know what I'm saying And So at the same time I think Happy Frodo probably Cause some A lot of producers Double beats up That's one thing Give the same Yeah

It's one thing I never did In my whole 20 something Damn near 30 Career I never gave An artist Or two artists

The same beat Yeah Right And what would be The pro in doing that though I mean besides Obviously getting Paid twice Yeah being greedy I would Yeah Two artists the same beat. Yeah, right. And what would be the pro in doing that though? I mean besides obviously getting paid twice for it. Yeah, being greedy.

But I mean if one person takes off with the record legitimately then the other one is canceled out. And somebody owes some money, somebody got some hard feelings. Which I'm getting to the hard feelings. Yeah. So I think the bro Dre came and took all the equipment. Dre, not London Dre, right?

London Dre, okay. Yeah. All right, cool. I kind of didn't want to say that part. Okay, cool. But, you know, that's what it is. But came, you know, and took all the shit. So Harvey called me up.

He was like, yo, man, this is good, good, good, good, good. I'm like, oh, man. Because I'm a producer, producer, and Triple O G went from, you know, that's how I do. So I'm like Dre, I call it Dre, I had to negotiate with Dre. That's my good guy too. I'm like, Dre, come on, get it guys, stuff. Like who's fucked this nigga? You know, get the accent.

Like fuck this nigga. Like da da da da da. I'm like, ah, Harry, give him six extra beats. Make it work. All right, six extra beats make it work alright I'm gonna make it work Drake boom boom boom and he wound up giving his equipment back

wow I had to come and negotiate oh god damn let's make some noise for Chris negotiate so you know it's stories

and pre-stories with a lot of things but even going back to the original French working solely with Harry Ford on his hip hop type shit you know what I'm saying nah it's not nothing okay cool lot of things but even going back to the original uh french working solely with harry fraud on this hip-hoppy type shit you know i'm saying no it's not nothing okay cool no because it's just it

like it's dope i'm proud of everybody no is is it a level up sometimes like um uh i will still always have 74 million sold and counting. God damn, let's go. No, because, you know, what happens is when we do these, I tweet out, right?

Yes, sir. I tweet out, and I say, yo, we got grease on, or I'll say, we got so-and-so on. And one of the main things

is they're saying, does grease fill a way? Like, it seems like once French blew, like he didn't come back. Right. Y'all didn't have that wave no more together like you him

and this is from the people you know what I'm saying I gotta just this is what drink champs is for so I gotta it's about the people people going hot they going quiet they see shit yeah they see it you know what I'm saying that's what I'm saying that was the most asked question was does he feel a way about French working with

Harry Ford and has like does he feel a way about french working with harry ford and and has like does he feel a way that when french went to a certain level that it seemed like he y'all stopped working together um nah man nah nah now on on on some street street nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga street street street shit right yeah it could be some fuck life involved. But, you know what I'm saying? But to me, where I'm at in time, actually, I needed to take

some cool breaks off. I had like, especially with Dog and all that, I had like a fucking consecutive years of ah,

mashing. All this beers or French ah, out there, that's for him. You know what I'm saying saying I had to take a break Off of

Like I said I'll smoke I'll drink no more Different things and shit My kids is growing And different things Just really Take time for me

Right You know what I'm saying Different shit besides Different phase Yeah running this fucking race For so many fucking years And shit You know what I'm saying

So I don't feel no way Actually I took time off To get a lot of spiritual healing and get very closer to my family. And dad's sitting still. Did you say that? No, dad's sitting still now.

Dad's sitting still. Yeah, dad is home. Right, right, right. I'm not outside. Right. I'm home. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've been outside, outside.

I'm bumping to you everywhere. I come out Uncle House in the Bronx, and all these right there. Like, how the fuck? Exactly, exactly, exactly. Yo, hold on, hold on. Looping back, going backwards now. Yes.

On some Harlem shit, did you have any interactions with Big L? Yeah. Wow. Give us some Big L stuff. Man, Big L, that's my guy, guy, guy. You got to understand, going all the way back, my crew, N.I.B. and Chivalric Corn, we had a big-ass battle in St. Nick Park.

Cam, Bloodshed, everybody. Wow. Mace. Wow. We cut them. What name was your crew? I just want to make sure. N.I.B., Niggas in Black. It was Big Stan, Mino, my nigga Pele.

N.I.B., okay. Yeah, N.I.B., niggas in black. And they were children of corn? Yeah. But we just was on some black hoodie guns and reckless. Yeah, goon-goon shit. You know what I'm saying? But Al was the first person our age range to get signed.

Wow. And who signed, Sony? Who signed Sony, right? He was with DITC. He was with Dick and the Krayts and show Wow. So who signed? The Sony? Who signed the Sony, right? He was signed. He was with DITC. He was with Dick and the Krayts and show business. Was it Columbia?

Columbia. Yeah, that was the Sony. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no, is it Sony? No, Columbia has always been under Sony, yeah. Was it?

I don't think Columbia ever stood on his own. No, I think so. No, I think it's always been under Sony, bro. Oh, whatever. He was that, okay. Yeah, so Al was like

the first person out of all of us to get signed. Yeah. Wow. You was, okay. So Al was like the first person out of all of us to get signed. Yeah. Wow. You know, I'm pretty sure Cam and Mase

was like, oh shit, it's right there. We was like, oh shit, it's right there. You know what I'm saying? You know,

as far as the young generation. Harlem, Teddy Riley grew up from the block where I grew up at. Raw Bass was in the projects and like your projects.

It takes two to make a thing go right. And that's big, big, both big. Kool Moe D was, I'm 129th Street, Lennox the Fifth, Kool Moe D is 129th Street, Convo. Did he have those glasses? Always. Always?

Yeah. Superstars. Yeah, and then all the DJs, the Brucie B's and all that, you know what I'm saying? So it was always a lot of shit going on in the hood. But different levels and generations, niggas rapping, rapping, rapping, spinning. L was the first one. Wow. L got signed, and we knew it was close.

Wow. And just like, theoretically, my studio that was on 29th Street, and right before L got killed, he would come to my studio all the time. 129th or 129th downtown? No 129th Okay okay I kept it in the hood For as long as I could I had to get the fuck out of there

You know what I'm saying? But L would come to the studio And this is after he had the singles And everything out He was doing party promotion And he was just like Yo Chris let me get a BCD And he was just going down

The second floor And just write Write write And even when he got When he got killed, his flyers from the club were sitting in the studio. Wow. You know how you got the bag

with the whole thick of flyers and shit? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, fuck. You know what I'm saying? But Al is the legend of our age range, especially in Harlem. He was, you know.

And it seemed like he was about to get, I mean, he was supposed to get signed to Rockefeller around that time, right? Yeah, yeah. And it would have been crazy. Yeah, Jay was sounding

like him a little bit too. Wow, he said he was sounding like Big L? Yeah, he was. Oh, wow. A lot of people sounded like Big L. Yeah?

Yeah. He was coming like with original style. All right. When you come with some original style, it's like that's the new wave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah. All right, we're going to do quick time with Slyme.

Usually at this time we take shots, but you're not taking shots, so we'll just, we'll just. I'll just film a little. We'll just, we'll just, no, no, no, no, we ain't going to fake the shot. We'll just ride with it. Unless one of your homies want to step in for you. Unless one of your homies wanna step in for you. One of your homies wanna step in for you?

You wanna step in? I'll take a shot, I'll take a shot. No, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta take the whole game. I'll let Niall in. Niall will take it, come on, Niall. Yeah, the whole game. Oh, you got your own shit?

I like your style, all right, come on. I like your style, you got your own shit. Tracy, you held the bottle. You gonna take the shot? You gotta bring your own Patron. Yeah, yeah, bring your Patron. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, come here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, y' the bottle. You're going to take the shot. You got to bring your own Patron. Yeah, yeah, bring your Patron. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, we got him in shot glass. I'm still shooting my water. Yeah, this is kind of easy, man. It's my stepson, DJ Tracy. No, I'm talking about... Yeah, because... Has did him or... Mr. Lee.

Okay, yeah. Some of these are good, though. Some of these are good. All right, you ready? The only take the shot if he says neither or if he says both. If he doesn't say neither or both,

you know, but it's per question, all right? So this one I know. I kind of know where he's going to go. It's Quick Time or Slime. Nas or Jay? I'm fucking technical, man. Nas or Jay?

What aspect? Nah, it's just any aspect. Whatever it is. Don got to pick one. Don't be too, don't worry about it. It's kind of hard because I... Take a shot then, it's okay. You can say it all, you can say it. It's kind of hard, man.

It's both of them. It's too late, it's too late. I would say Jay on the opportunity and doing different things, but quietly, nah, it's got a lot of different things moving around. Sounds like both to me, sir. You know what I'm saying? Sounds like both to me.

Go ahead. Nah, it's been just some rapping. All right, cool. All right, now this one, I pretty much know where you're going to go with this one. DMX or Tupac? Exactly. All right, cool.

All right. Now, I love Tupac, though. Okay, but you're going with X, though, right? Of course, man. Got to keep it family. Can you roll some of these? No, no, I love Tupac, though. Okay. But you're going with X, though, right? Of course, man. Got to keep it family. Can you roll some of these? No, no. I'll give it to him.

Yeah, just pass me back the product, the thing. Dump it out because I'm still trying to promote. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Give it back to the case. Yeah, there you go. Hey, you want this one, too? You're going to give him everything, bro?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck it. I like this. Got to roll them Bob Marley's. Yeah, throw them back over. that. Guy rolling ball mollies. Yeah, throw him back over. Okay. All right. Punch him.

Sonny, catch it. Okay, I ain't know what y'all got for this. Come on. Okay. All right. Ace hood or currency? Currency. Okay.

That's why you got a lot of drinks for currency. Yeah, spit them out. See, that's what some of these is. He's an original guy with his original style that do his original groove. Goddamn. That's why you got a lot of drinks with Currency. Yeah, spit it, man. See, that's what some of these is. He's an original guy with his original style that do his original groove. Goddamn. That's what I fuck with. Goddamn with Currency.

All right, 90s or 2000 hip-hop? What's considered 2000s? 2000 and up. Oh, shit, I am. Death. Death. All right, cool. Damn, number four.

Is our era considered 2000s or is it 90s? Let's crash that one. Okay,s Or late 90s That's true Because it bleeds It bleeds That's what I'm saying Like 97 It could be like 95 to 2005

It could be Radio or podcast Scarface Ooh We in the future now Okay You better fill it up Podcast

That's cool Alright You can look it up Radio's still the same seven songs Scarface or Ice Cube Sounds like you're going to take a shot I got to go with Uncle Facer I love Cube though, it's my guy But Uncle Facer

This one he's definitely going to take a shot too He should, almost Biggie or Big L All right, this one he's definitely gonna take a shot to. All right. He should. Almost. Biggie or Big L? Damn. That's a shot. See? See, that's the shit that fucks me up.

Sounds like a shot. You just gotta pick both because- Yeah, I'ma say both. Yeah, okay, there you go. Because the one thing, like, you know what I'm saying? Of course, L, that's the bro. You know what I'm saying? But Biggie's legacy, you can't front him.

That's the legacy, but I just be a little... With Big, it just was the one thing that I wish I was a little older when we was doing it. I would have had him do more songs Right Just more Just keep going Right But at the same time

The amount of songs is a legacy Right Okay DJ Muggs or Alchemist? Hmm They from the same Did Lineage Did Muggs produce

That Cypress Hill No The single Which one? time for some action i know that's red man hook but no you're talking about if i could just kill a man yeah yeah yeah i got it damn i don't care mr fire too but i gotta go with mugs and they're all the same team though they all yeah because because because you know i can just kill a man That's part of the influence Which got part of us here You know what I'm saying

So we go on mugs We go on mugs yeah Alright Here we at Now take one for Alchemist though No Alchemist is dope No hate Grease don't hate

Analog or digital I don't know Go both? I'm going to go both. Because it... Somebody. You have to fill it all the way to the top. Oh, when I go both, you got a drink?

We both in all the way out. You driving. Okay. Alright, what was that? That was analog digital? I agree with that. Here, you can put your hand up. I learned the secret from Dr. Dre with analog and digital.

Okay, but hold on. We got to hear that secret. We got to hear that secret. MPC-2000 or the SP-1200? What about the 3000? That's not there, brother. Shit. I didn't want to put that one in there.

I'm going to have to say SP. I don't like the 2000 at all. Okay. Two digital. Reason times FL Studio. Reason or FL Studio, what the hell? Fruity Loops. FL Studio.

It's the album. Fruity Loops. What's that, Reason or Fruity Loops? It's Fruity Loops. Fruity Loops, okay. That's the reggaeton shit. That's what them niggas reggaeton on, right? The shit that she all the little...

Ugh, ugh. Okay, major or indie? Hmm, that's kind of... Both. Sorry, bro. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, just go half. Don't go to the top.

Don't go all the way up. It's tequila, come on, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You good right there, you good. You good. too hard. Tequila, come on, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're good right there. You're good. You're good. We all accept that. We all accept that. Okay.

We'll accept that. That's within the rules. We got to like... Yeah. That's my question. Dan, how many... You need a chaser? You need a beer or something?

I think we halfway through. I think we halfway through. Okay. Pro Tools or Logic? Pro Tools. Okay. Yeah, because I use Ableton. Ableton's up.

Ableton, yeah. That's just sound like some weird scientist. Right, the new wave. He definitely wear glasses. Like you, he look like you. So Ableton, so you going Pro Tools? Pro Tools, yeah. Okay.

To me, people who wear glasses are smarter. I'm just saying. Just want to throw that out there. Yeah. LA or Miami? LA. Because I do movies.

Okay. And video games. All right. Okay. I know, I love Miami. No, I love y'all. Please don't jump me. You good. I make. Okay. I know. I love Miami. I love y'all. Please don't jump me. You can.

I make more money in L.A. though. We understand. We understand. Okay. Max B or Mace? I just was on the text with Mace earlier. That's the bros. Both.

It's not me, brother. It's not me, brother. It's the way the game goes. I got to respect that. Okay. Tracer's right there You know him man Okay Alright

We're gonna wait for him to finish It's a part of the game You gotta think Alright He had more questions No no no It's all here No no no

Yankees or the Mets I'm not even in sports But I'm not gonna do both Alright I I'm not going to do both. All right, I don't do both. My grandpops and uncles, we from the Bronx. So they die hard Yankees fans. Yankees fans.

Okay, cool. Same. Okay, Puff Daddy or Dre? That's going to be tough. Dre is most of my influence, and Puff is my first check. Sounds like both. Damn, Dre. Both.

And I work with both of them personally, you know what I'm saying? Oh, this is fire. Did you give him water, though, by the way? Yeah, I gave him water. Oh, we'll wait for him. Okay. Swiss. Swiss or Timberland?

Keep going after this. Swiss is extended family, but I got to go with Timberland. Okay. Sure, you're going Swiss or Timberland? Okay, okay, okay. I'm going Timberland. Okay. Come on, Missy? Pharre to Timberland. His citizens. Okay.

Come on, Missy? Pharrell or Kanye? Pharrell. Hmm. I like the way you said that. Come on. Mobb Deep or Outkast? I don't know where you're going

with this one. That's kind of fucking crazy. Because they're like two of my, oh, God. You look right at the young boy. Yeah, I'm sorry, bro. Oh, man. You got to go both. I mean, I just said.

Nah, nah. You go what you want. You do what you want. I just said. Don't leave. I'm going with the mob. I'm going with the mob. I knew you were going to go New York.

You're going to go New York. All right. Like this one, I know you're up. Rose is one of my favorite records all the time, though, but you know. Yeah. Method Man or Jadakiss? I'm going to go both. Stan or Jadakiss? I'ma go both.

You gotta understand, I got multiple songs with everybody. And I got a song with Meth and Jada coming. There's only three left, there's only three left. There's only three left. There's only three shots left. This is up in the air. This is up in the air. This one I'm pretty sure he's good. Three, three, three. Three more shots, you're good.

Eve or Foxy Brown? Gotta go with Eve. Okay. You know, I worked with Eve when she was Eve of Destruction on Aftermath. I worked with Eve when she was Eve of Destruction On Aftermath I worked with Eve When she was Eve of Destruction

As well Oh shit you too On Aftermath I went to Philly to do it too Right I went to LA Dre flew me out Okay

Right Common Ground Coochie Rap Or Big Daddy K I love K But I'm about to go to Coochie Rap On thesta shit, and I got a Coochie Rap single coming up. So you going Coochie Rap? I'm going Coochie Rap.

Okay. I love Kane, though, but I'm going Coochie Rap. Gangsta. French Montana or A$AP Rocky? French. Okay. I didn't really hear too many of A$AP records. A$AP Rocky records?

Yeah, I know. He's dating Rihanna right now, though. Let's give the nigga some love. Yeah. That's enough. We didn't see his records no more, nigga. Go ahead and live your life. Now, but shout out to A$AP.

I'll be a fast Rihanna. Yeah, shout out to A$AP and Ferg because I cleared the Pups record. I cleared the Pups record for them last year. Goddamn. You got to go back to what you said about Dre about teaching you

the analog. Yeah. Okay, so with the analog, when I would work with... Yeah, yeah, you're good. Get a seat, get a seat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drink some water.

Drink that whole bottle of water. Get a seat, drink that bottle of water, yeah. Play out. You know what I'm saying? Nah, but when I work with Dre, because I've worked with Drake a thousand times. One was Eve of Destruction,

before she was rough out of the Eves. Another artist, Amy Teverin, Brazilian singing artist. But we would track the drums analog. All drums stay analog, and all our sounds digital. So we used two inch Ampro tools. Wow. The reels are the drums. Yeah.

And then everything else is digital. Yeah, for the warmth. Especially come out to 3000 and shit. That's why I picked the 2000 too crispy. That's why I went with SP-1200. And we kind of described it for people that don't understand what the hell we talking about. Shit, I don't understand. The reels are actually, it's tape, described it for people that don't understand what the hell we talking about. I don't understand.

The reels are actually, it's tape, it's tape, people don't know. Two inch reels, it's the thick joints. What are you talking about, the two inch reel?

I thought you were talking about the 1200. No, no, no, the reel to reel shit? Oh, yeah. That shit. You know, that's what I'm saying. They record the drums on the reel

and everything else would be digitally recorded. It's like holding a little person. It's a little crazy. I don't know, but okay. That's a little crazy. The two inch rails I'm talking about. Oh yeah, yeah. The real one?

Like yo, listen. Yeah, it's a big ass box you got to keep. Sorry to sound like the old ham, but in the 90s we used to have a two inch rail. You literally could not send a verse. Like Busta Rhymes do a verse. Nas is doing a verse for you. They have to come to your studio because in order, not only that,

in order to punch in, they would literally have to put tape on the actual shit. Like, you have to say, The fuckers would cut tape? Yeah, cut the tape. That shit is horrible.

You can't even fathom that nowadays. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking at these guys. These guys are like this. They make a record in two minutes. Hey, hey, hey. I'm looking like, oh, fuck. Shit took us hours just to track the beat.

Remember, they had to track out the sound. Oh, my gosh. I feel so old. Sorry. But the sound, it's like what you're saying. That warmth, you can't get it outside of analog. Especially for the drums, you know what I'm saying? So you're saying Dre used to record the drums in analog

and everything else did. Yeah, and when I would record or make beats for aftermath of things, I would record my drums two inch reels analog and all the sounds,

keyboards, and everything, digital. Wow, that's crazy. God damn it, that's crazy. Let's crazy. It's so good.

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You was laying verses. I think you had a singing album or something. You were singing awesome shit. Yeah. It was Blanket Jackson. That was your alias? That's me. Okay, okay.

Make some noise for Blanket Jackson, man. Shit. So, you know, you go back to the Michael. That's an incredible name. You go back to the Michael Jackson song when it was like, the kid ain't mine. That was me. Okay. You're the kid? Yeah.

That wasn't his. That was my mom's. Okay, all right. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Okay, you still got the check in the mail. I still got it. You know what I'm saying? So Michael Jackson's the son.

So when, you know. That's who Blakey Jackson is. Oh, I get it. Jackson. I didn't even get the Jackson part. I just figured all of us name is Jackson somewhere. You know what I'm saying? Let us find out he really is the kid. You know what I'm saying?

That's hilarious. But when it came, actually it came on the mix tape. I think on the Goomers 1.5, I just did a fucking skit. I'm like with the auto tune, fucking around. I'm like, Blakey. Because we used to be fucking Henny Dope. Right. And Blue and Red Star, though. Right.

Remember Blue and Red Star? No, what? Blue and Red Star. Oh, the pills? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know. I'm like, cool.

I'll treat you some more to drink, Blue and Red Star. I'm like, where was I at for that one? Oh, okay. I was there for the pills, though. For sure. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. For sure, for the pills. Okay, continue.

Now I know where you're at. All right, continue. Well, I was trying to talk in code. No, no, no. It's okay. continue. Now I know where you at. All right, continue. Well, I was trying to talk in code. No, no, no, it's okay. We up front with our fans over here. All right, right. It's okay. E-Pills, motherfucker.

He's the sub in the E-Pills, this guy. Oh, relax. Man. Let's edit that. All right, so, you know, me and Max French, we used to be fucked up. On the E-Pills, that's how y'all made Wavy Music. Yeah, with the Hennessy.

Yeah, Wavy Music. With the Hennessy, you already know. Yo, pop a pill and put the gasoline on, that's how y'all made wavy music. Yeah, with the Hennessy. Yeah, wavy music. With the Hennessy, you already know. Yo, pop a pill and put the gasoline on it. Woo! Only way to get to the point. Woo, look. I've been wavy already. I felt like I was dead.

Go ahead, continue. Uh-huh. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. I can't do it. I can't do it.

I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. So I did the skit, you know what I'm saying? And I was like, turn the auto-tune on, fuck it. Blanket, Blanket Jackson.

My father's Michael, Michael Jackson. That's like a hit right now. And it was like, yo, that's dope. The skit started going crazy. I'm like, word? Put a beat on. Did that on a beat. Pew.

Put another one on. Pew. And just saw the catchin'. Saw the catchin'. I did a mixtape, Strip Club Music, which is all blanket, featuring Grease. Featuring yourself? Well, not really. Yeah.

There's a couple of us over here. Yo. Right. Sorry to be bouncing around But listen right When we Interview people We want to listen to their catalog Yes

For the shit So we come here early I came here way too early today I don't know why I was here before everybody Like there wasn't even A thing right here Like I was just here

The lady said The lady looked at me And said Normie Like you're never here At this time Anyway So that was a great thing Because I could go

Through your catalog But Pause You really have How many songs Have you recorded Like you really Paul I don't want to say this

You have a long ass catalog Like You know I didn't want to say Like you know Pause Like that's Like you said

3,000 songs you made A prior exaggerator Or probably around there. I never counted. I used to try to get nine to count and shit, you know what I'm saying? It's like the school of Tupac.

Yeah, it's like, you know what I'm saying? That's why you're saying you wish Big would've cranked out more records. What? Because you're coming from that mentality, right?

Big had one beat of mine he was writing to. Wow. One beat. And Puff, now Puff, wild interaction. I mean, you know Puff.

Puff is super regular in the studio. What? Boxing Puff, now Puff, wild interaction. I mean, you know Puff. Puff is super regular in the studio. Boxing, basketball, shorts, whatever. He's a hustler. Okay, I don't know that Puff though, sir. All right, my bad. I'm just fucking with you, go ahead, go ahead. No, but you know Puff is cool as fuck in the studio,

but he was like, yo, Big, right into this joint, grease, let me take you to the room. Wow. And that's the only one time I met Big. It was dark, he had the limon. He's like, yo, you made this? I'm like, yes. I'm about to kill this.

Dope. And this is Ready to Die Big, or this is Life After Death Big? That double album Big. Okay, that's Life After Death. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But before it, so. I had to maintain my excitement. Right, right.

I'm like, okay, dope. In my head, I'm like, oh, shit, I'm about to get a big record. Wow. Yeah, that must have been crazy. The beat was crazy. I don't even got it anymore. Who was somebody that you would like to work with? I never worked with Snoop.

I always liked Snoop. You never worked with Snoop. That's funny. I never worked with Snoop because I like liked Snoop. You've never worked with Snoop. That's funny. I never worked with Snoop because I like artists with their own character personality. Right. How about Busta? You?

How about Busta? You've worked with Busta, right? Wow. No, I've never worked with Busta either. Wow. You know what I'm saying? It's just... You know what I'm saying?

I don't like working with artists who sound like other people I can't do that Oh yeah you can't work with Nobody new right now then Oh shit right Or the first of But Amigos is the folk star

Right You worked with Amigos recently No no I will Oh okay yeah Amigos is hot I like them they're my favorite group They're the originals to me Yeah trans sellers are the new wave Yeah to me

To me they're the original Of that style Now there's a lot of people Who sound like the migos but to me hands down the migos and you know i like they i like their tightness like you know like the fact that remind me of the locks because you know out of all these years you ain't gonna pick a nigga i've never heard styles p this jada i've never heard jada this sheet you never will and I've never heard Jada diss Sheen and I've never heard Offset diss take off or take off

diss on Quavo I've never heard that and they actually seem tighter now that they had like a discrepancy with their label

like I think they're going through their bad boy moment yeah their bad boy moment where how the locks went through

their moment with bad boy and I think they're going through that with QC hopefully all that works out

but it actually makes me say, damn, I fuck with them even more. Like, you know what I'm saying? I see them in the Nickelodeon Awards,

which is ironic and shit. You're walking through the Beagles walk through it. What's Cardi B, man? Offset. Offset.

What's up, Nori? I was like, oh, shit. I didn't know you think you know me. I was like, oh, shit. But yeah, I think they're cool and I think their music and

I think they still the test of time and I actually think they're legends, man. So, you know you know me. I was like, oh, shit. But, yeah, I think they cool. And I think their music and I think they still the test of time. And I actually think they legends, man. So, you know what I mean? Definitely. Definitely. So, boom, doing all this. I want to get back to the wave for a minute. Yes.

Is the wave something that Max B created? It's something that Max B created. Oh, okay. All right. I just came on and... And made it more Ravery. Yeah. Okay.

You know, implemented more. What do you think when you hear people use the wave? There's a lot of people. No, that's a lot. You know what I'm saying? It's just that unfortunately that he got locked up.

You know what I'm saying? And did he patent the word? Not quite. Not that I know of. Don't quote me. All right. Like, you know what I'm saying? But not that I know of.

You know what I'm saying? Imagine I would have patented the word slime. Come on. He would have patented the word wave. I was the first one to say slime. And there's not no guy. See, you got that head to see work in that. That's the work in that.

So, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't no gang shit. It wasn't none of that. It was a simple. My friend went to the store, asked me, do I want a piece of his sandwich?

I said no. When he came back for his sandwich, I was like, yo, man, that shit look good. Because he said it was Pepperdine. So I thought it was Pepperoni. Pepperdine, Pepperoni. Sounded the same to me too much. So I thought it was pork.

When I came back and it wasn't pork, I was like, oh, shit same to me Too much So I thought it was pork When I came back And it wasn't pork I was like oh shit Give me a piece And then it was like He said slime I said slime I was like slime

Slime That was it That was it There's no crazy shit to it We put it on records We put it on And I actually spoke to Young Thug the other day

I was actually After we finished Belly interview I was with Cash Belly's manager I was with Cash, Belly's manager, and he FaceTimed Young Thug and we talked about the slime situation.

I was like, come on the show. He's like, he got me. And I like, you know, I like to co-sign the new generation. Some of them don't know the school. You can't be mad at somebody

for not knowing the time. But I'm telling you, there's people out there that have like wave cemeteries And wave Right The wave The foreign wave crew

Yeah Like Nah the wave The wave is used In every implement of Now music Right From

They even describe it As wavy Yeah I mean Down to To Lil Baby Actually saying wave Oh wow To Drake Travis Scott You know what I'm saying I think Drake Shouted out You think Max is cool with that? To Lil Baby, actually, he sent a wave. Oh, wow.

To Drake, Travis Scott, you know what I'm saying? I think Drake shot it out. Quavo, the wave, everything. It became popular culture at a point. Yeah, it's what it is. Max is a real part of right now culture. He's got to think about it like 2007. He got blocked in 2009.

How long he been in jail right now? 2009. 12? Yeah, I can't count that fast. Yeah, right. 12, you know what I'm saying? All right. I mean, shout out to Max, so the 75 years got chopped down to 15, you know what I'm saying?

To 15? So he been in there 12, so that means three years from now he should be home. Right, and he might get parole a couple years back, you know what I'm saying? Okay, now let's be honest. I need the honesty, Grease. That's all I am. Right, and he might get parole or a couple years back. You know what I'm saying? Okay, now let's be honest. I need the honesty, Grease. That's all I am. Leo, man, come on. I need the honesty, honesty,

honesty, honesty. Nah, no, I'm just kidding. No, no, no. Can he really survive? Because listen, let's just be clear, and I want to say this with all due respect.

Can he survive now? Yes, I want to say this with all due respect. Oh, if I get him in. Sean was the most anticipated. New York, coming back home. He, it was like he lost a step, but he must have knew he was going to be a political person. Right.

Now he in Belize. Right. Being the president of some shit. Right. Max, I don't see him being the president of some shit Max I don't see him being the president of nothing can he come home and be the way

because part of why Max is the way was he was a step above on fashion he was a step above on all that Jel naturally Jel naturally puts you in a step behind that's why I brung up Shine yeah I brung up Shine Yes, jail naturally puts you in a step behind. That's why I brung up Shine.

Yeah, I brung up Shine. I brung up certain people who did a certain amount of time. Like, jail puts a little rust on you. Right. But it's too much of, like what happened with Shine, it was too much of the public eye for his first bars not to be looked at. I think it was Collin. I think it was DJ Collin who actually got the first Shine verse.

And I believe he rushed it. Right. And it just took all the, for lack of a better word, the wave away from shine. Exactly. It took all the way because everyone was like, man, maybe he lost it. Because that's really what was going to happen with Max. Max, that first record that he get on, he going to have to flame it. Right. Is that something that you think, does he need that time to get that rust off?

No, that definitely got to happen. Yeah, that's where you come in. Yeah, that's where Coach Dame came in. Right, right. You got to come in, you got to do your push-ups, you got to spar. Right. You might want to do it,

but you got to do deep research and homework. Right. Come on, champ. You know what I'm saying? You got to do the right necessary steps. So you say not that first record that you record drops. Nah, we got to you got to get

in and go in. You got to know and just like I said, the competition. You got to know who the target is. You got the targets lined up. No, he's definitely, no, no, no, no. At this point, he's definitely the OG. All right. Okay. You got the targets lined up. No, he's definitely, no, no, no, no. At this point, he's definitely the OG.

Right. Like he went from being little man that was destructive or looked like he was, like, he's now coming home. There's going to be,

like I can see there's people who are going to be bowing to him. I see this new generation, but if he come home and make one wrong move, yeah, one wrong move,

because they love to tear you down. As soon as they put you up and he comes home and he make one wrong move, I think that's what this music industry is about.

So what was you saying? I'm sorry. Nah, I said we got to got to go in and do the training. It's retraining. Now, Max always got some shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. But it's beat selection.

Right. Got to be right. It's these beats interchangeable and compatible with these beats now. Right. Or we just going to say fuck everything and go the own way. Go your own way. Yeah, that's my next question. That's crazy.

You know what I'm saying? Or different things. See, that's what I do. Yeah, that's my next question. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Or different things. See, that's what I do. That's actually was my next question. All the different dimensions. What do you do? Do you try to fit into

today's music? Do you try to do your own? Right. That's very hard shit. You can do a little bit of both. You create your own, but then you start featuring on others to

kind of like show that you can. All that shit got to be fire. You know what I'm saying? All of it got to be fire. You know what I'm saying? All of it got to be fire. That's my job as a producer. It's to look into all the dimensions. It's set up to have all the dimensions ready. So if other producers would hit you

and say, yo, this is for Max, you could be able to differentiate, yo, this beat is not for you, this beat is for you. No, it would be like, all right, this is for 2009 Max. Wow. Or this is for this Max that we don't even know yet.

2020-y? What is it? 22. No, no, no, I'm talking about when, because he come on three years. Yeah. So, 25, but we want the advanced version of that. We want 2028. Right.

We should. See, I am long down in 2028. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's good. But for the most part, you think he could come? It got to be well, well-rounded training. You know what I'm saying? The different things.

And just retraining. Because he always got some shit. He always got a slick-ass bar and different things and ways to say it. You know what I'm saying? But as far as like, you know, just watching the whole battlefield, you know what I'm saying, different things. Because there probably was a couple songs that probably came out or came through,

and I was like, who did that, who allowed that? You know what I'm saying, the different things, shit, I'm like, okay, who allowed that? Can't put anything out. Same way you feel. I was like, you can't put anything out. There's a lot of shit going on'm like, okay, who allowed that? Can't put anything out. Same way you feel. I was like, you can't put anything out. There's a lot of shit going on right now. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of repeat and shit. There's a lot of

you know, no disrespect to music today because I like a lot of it, but it reminds me of reggae. It's the rhythm. Oh, everything's the same rhythm? The rhythm. You know what I'm saying? You got the rhythm. But that's what made those artists so dope in reggae is that it'd be the same rhythm,

but they made a whole different song. They didn't contact the subject matter. That's the L-O-N. Exactly. That's the L-O-N. So it's like, it's a little like that now. That's what it is now, you're right. Yeah, you know, you catch the rhythm.

Yeah, you did that, right. I ain't gonna lie, I be listening. I don't be knowing who ain't, but I that, right. I ain't gonna lie. I'll be listening. I don't even know who ain't. I just, I like the rhythm. Now, I asked my daughter. Who's this? All right. Who's this?

Because I like 42 Doug. Matter of fact, my nephew, too. He be playing all the super gangster shit. We be in the car like, what's this? I like Lil Durk. Yeah. Now, Durk going superior crazy now. I like a lot of them dudes.

I just got to... Durk should jump. He was hitting. Right. And then I guess he just said, nah, I could be a superstar and I'm going superstar and he went superstar.

Now, I feel like that Drake record is what brought him there. Yeah. When Drake threw him on the record and he was already becoming a superstar but I think that was like the ultimate push that made him. But let me

bounce around. You know, you was around where French, they beefing with Dipset, they beefing, and now French and Jimmy squashed the beef. How did you feel about that? That's different. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

That's, like I said, even with Max and Jim, like I wouldn't say, I'm not going to say, fuck Jim Jones, I'm not doing that shit. You know what I'm saying? Max, you know, that's why I always say the come up DVD. Because, you know, as a journalist, Doggy Dom is like, yeah, niggas seen pilot, you know, Max. Yeah, niggas see pilot, man, I'm a captain. This is what I'm, you know. And Dog's like, so like So Grease What you think

Max Grease don't think Nothing He don't got nothing To do with this This is me And so Cause you're not

Pulling me into All that Political shit Cause I mean Technically I know Jim first Right That's real

You know And it's Cam You know We all came Mason Cameron You know what I'm saying Was going And Jim was Holding Cam down Jim would get It's Cam. You know, we all came on Mason Cameron, you know what I'm saying, was going. And Jim was holding Cam down.

Jim would get jumped by 20 motherfuckers to hold his man down. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, he was holding his man down. So we knew Jim as holding his man down. You know what I'm saying? Different shit. So when it come to the Max and Jim Jones shit, you you know I'm saying different shit so, um When it come to the the max of friend the maximum Jim Jones shit No, I'm saying it definitely wasn't for me to jump in

Of course, I'm gonna put a protection around max. Make sure he's straightening nobody, you know Where phone calls like these to come through? Do the hotline? Yo 20s came through and saidline. Yo, 20 just came through on the set. Bro, yo, 20 just came through in your head. Oh, huh? Turn the camera on. 20, that's all you got? Oh, God.

Oh, my God. Oh, God, here we go with this shit. But, you know, just certain different things. And then, see, French is, after we got off the mixtape wave and different things, French came entirely politically correct. Okay. Because, I mean, he knew on the gangbanging side, he wasn't going to be the French that he is now. Right.

Almost pop star French. Right, yeah. So he know that he had to clean up a few shit and not fuck with too many of the goons to get to where he needed to be. Right. So, you know, boom, from Max and us working together to Waka Flocka and Gucci Man, but we all heard the Gucci Man story.

Right. But Waka, then the Rick Ross PD, Puff Daddy signing me to, you know, where you got to go, to Drake, to different things, you know what I'm puff daddy signing me to you know, where you got to go to Drake different things You know I'm saying it just you know Position itself French is small motherfuckers who know position itself and um to get to where he need to be at now You know say international French Montana and Danny put out that fucking unforgettable window. All right No, but what did you throw when they said that they squashed the beef?

I didn't. I didn't feel anything. I didn't feel anything, man. You know what I'm saying? I know what French is doing. Right. You know what I'm saying? They be different and different shit.

You know what I'm saying? I'm pretty sure we've been out there. We know what is really out there. We know what the codes are. Yeah. We know what it is. But nowadays, we be the only thing that's know what it is. But nowadays, we be the only thing that's out there like that.

Everybody else is on some other shit. It's like, you know what? Let's go home. I'm going home, man. I thought it was dope because it was one thing for them to squash it,

but it was another thing for them to get in each other's records, film videos together. I think one of them, they was in L.A. The next one, they were in New York

and I think they shut down the highway. I thought that was dope. If you're going to put energy into beef, you should put energy in squashing and moving on. You know what I'm saying? We thought Max and Jim was going to be squashed, but Jim ain't. So even with the...

I mean, I think French, he said something, I think, on energy. He's trying to do what he's trying to do Alright But like after the French and Jim shit Alright Jim cool French cool

And way by Max V Fuck that nigga You know what I'm saying Yeah let me just say I saw some of that Angie Martinez Interview with French Montana Yo she's still the goat yo

Yo she is still the goat She hasn't lost her step Yo bro She hasn't lost a step. Yo, bro, she hasn't lost a step at all. And, hey, I'm going into watching it, like, you know, being a little cocky, like, you know what I'm saying? Let me see what she can do. And I'm like, yo, she's still, like, the GOAT.

So, Angie, just in case you know, I bow down. Just watching a little piece. She's still ill, Angie. Let's give it up for Angie Martinez. You were. And I ain't getting to finish watching the whole interview. So what's your favorite part of the game? Is it making the record or performing the record?

I'm a producer, I'm not the producer. I know, but seeing it being performed, though. Bingo. Okay. That's your favorite? Dog. Okay. I didn't go in the first source.

I mean, I was in the city with you okay the survival the illest the cash money rough ride the tour all that i didn't go i didn't go on the tour so you didn't see how your records was reacting now in stadiums not to dog had the world tour. Cuzzle, sign me up. Dog, sign me up. The world tour. Right, this is how you got to go back to it. Cuzzle, sign me up.

Dog, sign me up. I'm going to reiterate to you niggas once again. Cuzzle, sign me up. Dog, you got to tell niggas five times. So they arguing like, did you fucking put grease on the motherfucking antenna, man? All right, cool. I'm on it. All right, cool. Now, overseas, different.

Where we at? Everywhere, man. We did about five shows in Germany, Paris. Düsseldorf? Düsseldorf? I don't know. That's Nori. Nori's the ambassador of Düsseldorf. Düsseldorf. I love Düsseldorf, man. I want to see if you got some Düsseldorf? I don't know. Düsseldorf. Nor is the ambassador of Düsseldorf. Düsseldorf. I love Düsseldorf, man. I want to see if you got some Düsseldorf pussy, man.

They have a street name after him. I made my own hood. It's okay. Shepherd's Bush in London. Okay, what? Holy moly guacamole. Okay. All right, guys.

So where else? Germany? Where else you where? Everywhere. Belgium, Germany, Amsterdam, Switzerland. Now, I ain't going to get to the last show. I'm going to get to the last show. I'm going to get to the last show.

I'm going to get to the last show. I'm going to get to the last show. I'm going to get to the last show. I'm going to get to the last show. I'm going to get to the last show. I'm going to get to the last show. everywhere, Belgium, Germany, Amsterdam, Switzerland. Now, I ain't going to get to the last show. What last show? Ali's face just went crazy. I keep forgetting that y'all call him Cuzzle. I'm always two steps behind y'all.

Now, they're going to chop Ali's ass up. Oh, that's for Keno? That's what I know. That's in Africa? Yeah, the last show. Oh, they almost chopped Ali up?

Nah, it was after him. He was a negotiator. Persian negotiator. Okay. So it was him. They saw him as the invading Arab. Yeah, like. Invading Persian.

Yo, the crazy shit, when I saw Dog on it, then he said the story, it's the same as I can story that I'm telling. I'm like, yep. Yeah. Exactly. We had to call the embassy, get down there, jump in the trucks, zip out.

They came, they speak Portuguese. Yeah, because they were colonized by Portugal. And Angola. And DJ Non Stop, he's from Chicago, Puerto Rican. Yeah, he can't speak Portuguese. He can speak Spanish. Right, but he. There's some Cubans in Angola.

Nah, he catch some words words You know what I'm saying That's right The war It's like That's like Brazil Yeah okay And yeah

Ali speaks Spanish There's a couple things But he Nansab heard the key word See Ali you know He's doing the romance And shit

No everything is straight Everything is fine And Nansab like No it's not He said Y'all got a problem If y'all try to leave Right

And all of a sudden I heard that Whatever fucking language was You know it was Because of Jop Everything's gonna be cool Everything's good Everything's straight

And Ali said that For a lot of things It might not be true Yeah Honestly Nobody worries about nothing He's very optimistic Everything's straight

Never alert the artist. The artist think everything is good. He is an optimist. Holy shit. So you was like that. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, we like, oh, shit. All right.

And I got a good MacGyver mind. It just wouldn't kick in. I'm like, okay, I take the butter knife, poke the one soldier in the hallway. Boom. Yeah, but get out the country then. Not him once, soldier in the hallway, boom. Yeah, but get out the country then. Nah, it didn't.

By the way, he just said soldier. Yeah, soldier. You're fighting against the army. They don't even got like a police, the police is military. You know what I'm saying? This is different. Like, you know, get two, boom.

One, grab the joint, you know, got a little trick, put the finger behind the trigger so it won't go back, boom, so I poked him up and then, you know, it's like, yeah, it's world of combat. But then, boom, take that, get in the car, drive,

and then the thought process stopped there. Where the fuck is we going? Yeah. In Africa. Yeah. Are we going to drive to the jungle

and rhinoceros drop? Like, what the fuck? We had to call the police. Yeah. The U.S. Embassy. The U.S. Embassy to call the police the US embassy don't say the police that's what everybody is happy to be from the United States of America I never learned like I'm from Harlem

you're American you're American you used to go places like I'm from Brooklyn you can't do that in Africa I'm from Brooklyn. They'd be like, word up. You can't do that in Africa. I think even those dudes in Haiti. I'm from Brooklyn,

so what? That assassinated the president got pulled out by the U.S. Embassy. The two Haitian Americans that were part of that crazy, they got pulled out by the... What do you mean pulled out?

They were part of that Colombian hit squad. And what, they was locked up? Yeah, imagine. They killed the president. Everybody said that the U.S. Embassy

pulled the two Haitians because they're Americans. They pulled them out. Pulled them out. While the Colombians are getting tortured for information. Oh. So what'd they pull them out? I mean, allegedly. Were they on Guantanamo Bay or something?

They're on Guantanamo. It's Haiti, bro. It's not Cuba. No, I'm talking about what did they say? They're Cuban. They're Americans, though. You said they was Haitian, but they're Americans. You know about what happened in Haiti, right?

Yes, they killed the president. Right. So two Haitian-Americans went in with the Colombians to do it. So America grabbed the two Haitians? They caught the Haitians. Because they're citizens. They caught them. They caught the Colombians and the two Haitians.

What are they doing with them? No, I don't know. They're just the only ones. Guantanamo Bay. No, bro. They're not in Guantanamo Bay. How do you know? Nah, why?

They're back in the U.S. That's the U.S. Guantanamo Bay is the U.S. They're not in Guantanamo Bay, brother. So where they got them? In Rikers Island? No, what I'm trying to say is I don't even know if they in trouble like that.

For killing the president, they ain't in trouble? They didn't leave them in Haiti while the other ones are in Haiti in custody. The American ain't fucking with them. I don't know. They would have left them there, though.

What I'm trying to say is ultimately, like, if the U.S. Embassy saved you guys, the Colombians are getting tortured over there. Allegedly. In Haiti? Yeah, because they're trying to figure out who paid them.

They got military. Yeah, really? Haitians? Y'all think they got military? Come on, man. You're stopping this, man. Stop this right now. Anyway, they got pulled out. They got pulled out. The U.S're stopping this, man. Stop this right now. Anyway, they got pulled out. They got pulled out.

The U.S. Embassy hooked them up. Oh, really? At least they're not getting tortured. They might be locked up here, but they're not tortured in Haiti right now. Okay. So, okay. All right.

That's what happened in Haiti. I was just playing around. I was happy with Haiti. I was just playing around. But what the fuck Is happening with Cuba What is this I mean Some new shots

Yeah yeah They wired it I mean we don't know When this is going to come out But it's the first time Since the revolution That the entire island Rose up against the government

So if they can't And it's led by artists By hip hop artists By urban street You know The young guys like The artists are the ones that led the movement, yeah. Oh, man.

Against the government? Against the government. Everybody rose up against the government. And right now, because I'm talking to people directly on the island, they're literally going house to house, pulling out people who are rioting? People who are part of the, they're protesting. I mean, rioting some places, protesting, like anything else. Right.

And they're pulling them out and they're disappearing. Not to say they're dying, but they're disappearing. They're putting. I mean, rioting someplace, like anything else. And they're pulling them out and they're disappearing. Not to say they're dying, but they're disappearing. They're locking them up. Wow. Huh? A lot of artists. The artists were the first wave of people missing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's great. Because my homegirl from the movie Coming Home, Danai Suarez, she lives in Cuba, right? She's the one communicating with me. One of the people, yeah. That's real. Yeah, God bless, God bless. Anybody happy to be American now?

Oh, gee, I'm kidding. Yeah, bro. Shit, it's always great. Hey man, you can be a patriot and still want your country to be better. That's what I try to tell people. It's like how better shit do you want? You want horse shit, bull shit, human shit, cat shit.

But when you travel overseas as an American, you realize, okay, I want to go back home. Yeah, it's different. You know what I'm saying? And that's the reality. I tell you, MacGyver mind didn't kick in. And that's the Mike Tyson tattoo you got on your shit? Yeah.

Okay, let's look at the Mike Tyson. Go ahead. One of my idols, one of my idols. I ain't going to lie, you ain't seen the movie, Hangover, where Mike was like, you better get that shit taken off. Nigga, that knock you out and then talk to you nicely.

You know what I mean? Listen, did you ever see Mike since you had it? Huh? Have you ever seen Mike since you had the tattoo? Nah, I ain't seen Mike.

I know Mike too. Okay, but what if you see him and you're like, can we take that shit the fuck off, nigga? You tell him no. What a hypothetical I'm just imagining shit like that

I'm just imagining that cause I'm scared of devil Mike right that's just like he was pretty scary man yeah like even when he was being nice he's a very intimidating guy

like so what I'm talking about you could have a gun on you and I'm still scared of Mike. Actually, Mike, we've met a couple times. He fucking you up.

Mike, we've met a couple times. Mike is sharp as a whistle. I met him one time on the Swift. Mike, grease. You said Mike is soft as a whistle? No, Swift. No, he's definitely Swift. I met him one time.

It was like, Mike was good. Peace, grease, boom, bang, bang. There was a couple years later, I'm like, Mike was good, peace, grease, boom, bang, bang. There was a couple years later, I'm like, Mike, what's up, grease? They're like, nigga, grease, they got no. I'm like, oh shit. You know what I'm saying? He sharp as a whistle.

But you said if you miss, if you hit, you're feeling more fucked. Don't come out with a gun. Oh. You gonna fuck you up and shoot you, dude. I don't know know I'm just saying I'm just giving you a tip Like Mike is a scary dude

I fuck with Mike man Mike is Mike is one of us Yeah A beautiful warrior Yeah You know what I'm saying Like you know

We all come from But you seen when he Interviewed Boosie Yeah He's stupid Yeah He's stupid I see

That was a different Mike Right there Yeah he was rubbing up to Mike Mike. Yeah, he went back. He went back. That shit right there, nah, that shit was different. It was Mike Tyson,

Peaceful Warrior Mike, and Mike Mike. Because you got to think real fast once Mike tells you something that's back from shit and you're out of the room like this. You got to think real fast. It's our arm range.

You got to be careful. I forget what he said. He's like, you gay? And look, Moosey was like, huh? Come on, man. No straight guy gets asked that ever. Ever. So if you get asked that, you know this ain't good.

Not good. I don't give a fuck in any world. Shape of magic. When you see a man sitting here and say, so you gay? Your first reaction, first off, is to act, what the fuck? Fuck you talking to? This is Mike!

You cannot do that! He's had all of you, you cannot. Did you see him thinking about all that? What the fuck you talking about, homie? That ain't happening! Homies outside, all that, your homies is thinking about a whole lot. I'm not running that, your homies is thinking about hold up. I'm not running, your homies is thinking,

your niggas you love. They're outside the room like, I'm not sure if I'm running in if Mike starts. And Mikey, you signed a waiver to go into that room. I feel, I didn't read it, but it seemed like, it says if you get fucked up, it's on you. Really? You have to date her.

I'll try to walk in, because I was late to the interview, and the lady's like no no no you need to sign this motherfucker no no you gotta sign with us we ain't fucking with you we fucking you up with drinks just to enter into the building no no no

that's crazy Mike is a different type of dude so who we asked who you would want to work with who's your favorite artist to collaborate with? No, as I worked? Yeah, as you worked, who's your favorite that you work with? Or who's easiest to work with?

Favorite or both, give me both. No, easiest is Eve. Eve? No, no, no. Okay, put this away. No, I mean, nothing was wrong with Eve. Okay. Let me get one on SuperDogBuzz.

But like, nah, like, I ain't going. Nah, like, I ain't gonna lie, like I ain't wanna, I'm a street nigga, you know what I'm saying? So it ain't really much that's gonna like, throw me, I mean, I grew up with all the creepy crawlies, I know the creepy crawlies. So it was like, you know what's unique, wild work?

Unique. That's good word, key word, unique. Okay. Dirt. Who. Dirt. Who? Dirt. Oh, Dirty Bastard? Yeah.

Oh, Dirty Bastard? Yeah. Okay, cool. I like how you call him Dirk. I love that. That's my guy. You know what I'm saying? Dirt.

You all work together? Yeah, we rushed out a soundtrack we did in Don't Stop. You know what I'm saying? The record on it. First it was just me and Dirty. You know what I'm saying? Well, him rapping, me doing the beat.

And then they put the whole war on it. And that's back then. And then, um, he even did his last, his last album. You on it? Yeah, I am. I'm on a Pharrell record, right? The, um, no, one I did. I, I, I'm on a I'm on one.

I'm on one. What, what, what? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, okay. And we can do it like this. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay.

But that was after he got out of jail. He was kind of probably a little more sedated. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Different shit, you know, just to, you know. Okay, sedated. That means this shit. Not quite that, probably.

A lot more, but... You mean he was, like, sedated, like, purposely? Yeah, not illegally, like, probably his medication from his doctor. Oh, okay, okay. I thought you meant he just was different, period. Oh, okay. Naturally, but you mean, like, sedated from... No, he was, you know, real... Medically. Yeah, like...

So he did his last album on Studio Upstate, and, um... He, you know, he was, you know, real great. Medically. Yeah, like, so he did his last album on Studio Upstate. And, you know, he just was blank. Like, I've known him already. Like I said, we did the Rush Hour soundtrack back then. And it was, like, right before he passed away and shit. You know what I'm saying? And he was just, like, cool, chill, quiet dirt. Like, pilled up. Yeah up yeah you know but legally medication yeah not nothing i used to be on therazine i used to talk when my mouth never moved

that you know of yeah my mind i was saying something but my mouth didn't move it was just like probably saying that seems like when i was in jail so my mother came to see me that's what they put me on. I was getting in trouble too much, so they hit me with that Therazine. That shit is different. They buried it. They probably buried it on me too.

You know what I'm saying? Wow. So he was in there and shit. So he just cried. The dirt was good. You good? Boom, you know what I'm saying? Because I would rent the front studio room out.

There was only two things that was getting his reaction. It was my man wife. Okay. Sean's. I'll be like, yo, what's up? I said, Dirk. That's the homie. He seemed like a disrespectful nigga, yeah. I'm like, Dirk.

He was a double backer. You know what I'm saying? He was like, all right, G. And then I gets a kick in like, fuck that. But, you know,'m saying he was like IG and I guess a kick in like fuck that hey well you know she was gangstas like cool out a lot of hell just told yeah yeah boom boom boom and then I think I was making on the move back beat that he jumped on a remix and that shit woke him out of it you what I'm saying? I was in the other room. Boom. And I just saw the door creep over real slow.

He peeked in. Yo, G, you worked the shit out that Triton. Yo, you worked that. Yo, that's dope. Nigga, you want to get on it? Yeah. 15 minutes, wrote his verse. He was back. You know what I'm saying?

Wow. And did the whole, I think the album's for Landspeed or something. Okay. He did it and shit. Now? Okay.

Nah. Will Grease do Versus? Huh? Will Grease do Versus? I done Versus. No, you didn't do Versus, sir. What are you talking about, right? He talking about

Swizz and Timbaland Versus. Swizz and Timbaland Versus. Oh, no, no, no. Break up in 2021. My bad. I mean, Versus means Versus, though. Yeah, I'm talking about via hire, man.

You also don't shoot things. You're getting a good contact. Keep going. No, no, no. I done Versus. No, no, no. I'm not that type of Keep going. I've done verses. No, no, no. Not that type of verses. In books.

Not verses. Choruses. Not verses. No, no. We know you've done all that. We know you've produced all that. But the battle. Who would you want to battle?

If you had a choice that came to you, the price was right, time was right. Are they paying for the shit? I don't know. Hey, man, from what I've been hearing, they have been all right lately. From what I've been hearing.

I don't know, man, because there's this... Because Cam'ron ain't coming out for less than a check. He don't go to lunch unless it's a check. Cam, so trust me. Cam, don't move. He don't leave his driveway. Hit the, send an account.

I don't know, man. I would really say, you know what I'm saying? If you could consider doing one, let's just say you did consider doing one, who would you want to battle? There's nobody. I don't know. Bank? Nah, that's so broke.

Easy. It could be the bro. It could be the bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who would the friendly competition be? It's not going straight to war. Nah, nah, nah. You got to relax.

You got to relax. No, no, no. All right. Pick someone you would want to hear their shit against yours. PK? Easy LP? Don't disrespect the kingdom of my cheese.

You know what I'm saying? But just as far as the colorfulness of catalog, you know what I'm saying, there's a difference. You know, I spent my career making a colorful catalog and taking chances at risk

with other people like, you ain't doing that. Hey, that's you. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to get to 10,000, 50%. Right. Right.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So I used to hustle. So the only job I had was selling crack. Right. Then doing music. Right.

So I know how to add a gram up. Right. When it was 25 a gram. Yeah. Yeah, that was... You're doing the math. A lot of years ago. Right.

So who do you think, if they came to you, the bag is Yeah. Yeah, that was... You're doing the math. A lot of years ago. Right. So who do you think, if they came to you, the bag was right? I don't know, man. It is... I don't know. Who would you think? I'm thinking right now.

Because there's mainstream hits, there's underground spectaculars. Yeah, but it's 20. It's 20. It's about 20. And it's just fucking... You know what I'm saying? All around hip-hop classics.

I think I got a perfect one. Go ahead. I think Alchemist would be a good matchup. Ooh, I like that. I like that. But you know, I was thinking of Coast to Coast. Uh-huh. Battlecat.

Battlecat? Mm-hmm. He's fire. He's fire. Yeah. Uh, who else? Come on, there's got to be a Medusa. Who's done. He's fire. Yeah. Ah. Ah, who else? But come on,

there's got to be a producer. Who's done a record that you said, damn, I wish I would've produced? Never? Come on, Grease. I like Pharrell as producer. Yeah, Pharrell ain't coming out the house, though.

No, he's not coming out the house. Yeah, so. Let's not even think of him. No, but producers I like. Actually, I mean, it might be shocking. I like R. Kelly as producer. R. Kelly as a producer? We got to relax what Kelly as a producer. R. Kelly as a producer?

We got to relax what we say right now. R. Kelly as a producer? I know, that's what I'm saying. I don't want it to sound kind of crazy. R. Kelly as a producer? So you want to battle R. Kelly in versions? I'm not battling R. Kelly at all. He won.

Like, I'm cool. But like, all them joints say produced by R. Kelly. I read the credits You know what I'm saying That's crazy Yeah So his publishing is crazy then I mean

Or whatever Like Scarface I didn't know Scarface Was producing all the records That he was on Scarface was in my studio Playing his guitar Yeah

Yeah He's crazy like that He's crazy like that Damn let's I would say PK too But that's like too much Yeah It's It, it's family and not to discredit anything,

but mostly PK joints is just for X and locks. They fire ones so that stick out, don't get it twisted. It's as other producers, yeah. Knox. Knox is a good one. Anybody drain you around?

Yeah, we're draining. I might need a bucket. I might need to take a leak real quick. Producers, yeah. Knott's. Knott's is a good one. Anybody drain you around? Yeah, we're draining. Got it. I might need a bucket. I might need to take a leak real quick. I'm going to take a leak too. We got bathrooms, brother. You don't need a bucket. Let's go.

We can take a break right now. We can take a break right now. We can take a break right now. Think about the producer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, man, because I haven't thought about that. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't want to say I don't know. I could give him that credit. That'd be a good, I think that versus would be good right there. Do that? The hole. Oh, the hitman? Woo. It'd be a fun one.

Now, Shane, Ron Lawrence. That'd be a fun one. Now, I know, trust me, a fun one. Nah, no. Trust me, we was all in the same studio. I raped the whole lot's budget and they was sitting there pissed. Half niggas was like, Grease, dope.

Other niggas was like, who this new nigga? Nah, you... Wasn't EZ-LP down with them too? You got to understand, like... I thought he was. Think about the Mariah Carey remix with the locks on it. Okay.

Think about... You see all that Bad Boy remix. No, that was an era. That was dumb niggas. Puff just was on the record and doing that, but there was dumb niggas like this and shit. They had the mixtapes on crazy block. That's what I'm saying.

Remix was crazy. And it's a different suit. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, I got mainstream part of my catalog, but most of it and a lot of it is street and different things. I don't have many tracks like that. I got them, you know I got them. We're going to have to highlight that.

He's not drinking, but he was the first guest to ever say, you got a bucket around here? I'm just going, right here, I'm going to take a piss. Right here, I'm going to take a piss. He's not drinking. That was some drunk dude shit right there. That would have been some drunk motherfucker shit. Like, I'm going to take a piss. Right here, I'm going to take a piss. He's not drinking. All right. There was some drug dude shit right there. That would have been some drug motherfucker shit. Like, him piss right here.

The show must go on. Now, we got back foods, brother. We got a bathroom budget. Right. Hold on. We ready? I think we haven't started. Cool.

So, all right. How about Lars Professor? What you think about that? Lars Professor, that's nice. You're all right. That's a good one. Have you ever watched Versus? Yeah.

Okay, all right, cool. No, actually, what's the last best? I can't wait for the locks and dipset. Oh, dipset, okay. It's so, so pulling. Right. This will be out after. This will be out probably the week after.

So who are you betting on? Oh, man. Who's your money going? Who taking the shot? Bring it back out. You ain't going to take the shot? Who taking the shot? Because you got to,

like I said, I'm technical. He got the, give him some Deleon or whatever. Come on, Mr. Lee. He going to take this shot. Like, I'm technical with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, now, Cam, He don't take this shot. I'm technical with it, you know what I'm saying?

Now, Cam, we was battling with rapping before any of us got on. So we're just niggas in the park. So that means something. And my very first single, Lava Lennox, Cam came through. Good Morning America. And he's hauling royalty the same as I. That's my guy, guy, guy. But my platinum records and everything came from the locks. Right. And he's hauling royalty same as I. That's my guy, guy, guy. Right. Right.

But my platinum records and everything came from the locks. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, take a shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when I went to Yonkers,

both. Right, here's both. Both again. Okay, cool. When I went to Yonkers, you know what I'm saying, that's where I was like, oh.

Right. Because you know, where you from, you're a little arrogant of where, there ain't nobody else hot in the world.'s why I was like, oh. Because you know where you from, you're a little arrogant. Ain't nobody else hot in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you went to Yonkers. Like, these niggas spit my ass off.

Fuck. Okay, damn. You know what I'm saying? But I can't. I mean, I'm like the, you see you got the O in the locks? That part of the U, that's me. Right.

Yeah, just the other. That's why. I can't wait to see it either I'm there I was gonna try to go Actually attend the crowd But I think I got three things To do out here

That those Those two days I know it's only one day I think it's August 3rd right Yes Yeah but I got We trying to get No we got August 3rd

Oh that's already booked Silk Oh yeah Silk the motherfucking shocker He was on Lava Linux He was on Lava Linux Holy shit Did we get to speak on Lava Linux

I know we spoke about it a little bit Y'all didn't speak about y'all records You was on Lava Linux No I didn't want to end it So but I'm live on Linux Okay That was like the first

I'm not supposed to say commercial Excuse me Compilation Album I ever kind of seen Like what DJ Khaled For lack of a better term compilation album I ever kind of seen. Like what DJ Khaled, for lack of a better term, is doing now, I kind of seen you do that first.

At first, I didn't even know what a compilation was. When you hit me, you was like, I got to mention my compilation. I was like, yeah, whatever. But I actually technically

didn't know back then. So when was that, 97? 99. 99, okay, all right. 99 in 2000. Wow, wow. Dead ice. So what made you want to do a compilation? 97 99 99 in 2000 Wow Wow Dead I said what made you want to do want to do a compilation. The thing was is like, um, I Had artists I had artists need before I saw the producer of our fathers You know I'm saying it was always make a lot and um, I could solve our group like, you know

The way we started like, you know, the way we started, like, you know, 15, 16 and shit. We had our group and then more niggas came and saw our rap and then I made them a group. The more niggas, I made them a group. And then some of the niggas, we was actually getting too wild

and some of the guys were like, yo, y'all doing too wild much? Y'all too wild? Then we just made them a cool group. So we was actually doing a label thing already. You know what I'm saying?

We're making a lot. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? With no money, though. But, you know, we was just doing crazy Sam Talon shows and beating everybody down. You know, just, you know. Just New York City shit. Yeah, yeah.

Nobody better than us at it. We're ball fights and shit. But it, after, like I said, doing X album, Locks album, different things and shit, I'm like, all right, I'll put an album out. I'm not a rapper. So what the fuck I'm going to do?

Actually, I did rap on one song, but I was just bugging. But at the same time, I'm like, all right, let me just call everybody up. Let me hit up. I think we were just coming off Body in the Trunk.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that was going. I hit you up. I think we was just coming off Body in the Trunk. And I was like, yeah, that was going. I hit you up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I finally chapped on there with you. I think I did Ghetto Princess for Nas around the same time. So I hit him up. He came, did We Want to Play Rough. Scarface, if you notice, I picked him.

He was always one of my favorite artists. Hit Face Up. I did my deal as a joint venture with Priority because I didn't want to sign directly to the labels because I was getting checks from the labels. Average to the Bad Boy. I'm in the whole Def Jam building. And I'm like, I love with Master P door.

You know what I'm saying? One of my idols as far as like, all right, come on, we're going to what Master P do You know what I'm saying One of my idols As far as like Alright come on We gonna do this shit You know what I'm saying So I was actually Following Master P steps

Wow You know what I'm saying So I went to Priority out west Different thing And No Limit was on there Right

And when I got to the building That's when me and P met Wow And P was giving me All type of pointers and shit. Wow. Matter of fact, real story, Andrew Shaq was the president one time. And I remember flying out there because I'm like, niggas is playing games with letting the budget loose and shit.

You know what I'm saying? And I was smart because I wanted to wild out. But I know if I wild out, ain't no backseat. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, fuck. Piss off. Huffing and puffing around the office.

Pete was like, yo, please let me show you how to do this shit. Boom, kicked the door open. Yo, Shaq, my man got something to say. And he was sitting there with Omar Epps and shit.

Omar Epps like, and Andrew Shaq was like, oh, you with him? Oh my God. I'm like, that's how you do it. Hey, nigga, free my motherfucking budget up.? Oh, my God. I'm like, that's how you do it. Hey, nigga, free my motherfucking budget up, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

And boom, you know, we're about to move around. I mean, you know, probably had to do it a couple times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Boom. So we just started making some things happen. I'm like, P, I'm doing an album. Boom, so and so forth.

What's up with Silk? Let me get Silk. Boom. He sent Silk. Silk got on the joint. Wow. No limit, going back a lot. Let's make some noise for that.

So now, when people see you, they're going to notice a whole dramatic weight change, weight loss for you. Yeah. And when you first walked in, you told me that you thought you was battling or something, so you want to share that with the people? Yeah, now, I actually had an operation.

Actually, right after it was on X Funeral, it was the Barclays Center, which was, like, that Saturday, and then that Sunday was the funeral. And, like, right after the funeral, I had to jump on the hobbits. I had to have an operation the next day. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? And they had to check my chest. Wow. Because last year, I had a lung infection. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And they had to check my chest. Wow. Because last year I had a lung infection. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So I had to check.

People thought it was COVID. It wasn't fucking COVID. You know what I'm saying? So I had to check my chest for, you know, lung infection to make sure it wasn't cancerous. Wow.

So, you know, they cut in the poop, where they put me asleep. Wow. Cut the neck open, got tissue samples, blood samples, you know,

all the good shit. You know what I'm saying? Boom. Dug all in there So um They checked for the cancer But cancer free Thank God

Nothing in there you know God bless God bless You know what I'm saying They had Cause What you said Cause you said

What was it Dirty liver What was it I had a lung infection A lung infection You know what I'm saying Which actually had me Get a blood clot in my lung

Oh wow God bless You know the crazy shit This didn't happen While I was smoking Everything happened After I stopped smoking cigarettes And drinking

Wow What do you think So what was the cause You know I think my body Was used To smoking and drinking For so many years

So reacted to not having it Right You know what I'm saying Kind of like withdrawal Cold know what I'm saying? Kind of like withdrawal. Cold turkey. And I'm one of them type of intelligent dickheads. Yeah.

I'm done. That's it. Right. Body set. No, you're not a nigga. You know what I'm saying? The body is in shock. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, they tested. Boom. First test came back negative. Tried to let it grow for a couple months. Negative. Grow for a couple months. grow for a couple months still negative so cancer free

I'm good God bless God bless so now alright I remember getting I believe it was a CD and

I believe this is how it happened me and Nas was on the way to the studio Jungle and a dude was playing around With this idea But we get to the studio I played Nas a bunch of beats Then I put on the Grease beat

And I remember us just laying this shit in 20 minutes Like no exaggeration Right Like as soon as it came on, body in the trunk. And I remember you was giving me the beat tape. And I remember me calling you that night. And you come into the studio. Yeah.

But I never asked you how the hell did you feel. Because I remember you actually said, I think you should make the intro a little longer. And you have to speak about. I think. But I never asked you, like, how did you feel that night like because like it wasn't like I called you and said I'm using your beat, I just used it, you gave, I had

a beat tape for a while and as soon as Nas heard the beat we just started writing like me and him like literally didn't even speak to each other we was just like yo he said I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this I'm going to say this and we did it so you kind of heard an almost complete record when you first heard it, like how did you feel like when you

what was it, Hit Factory? I think it was the Hit Factory heard an almost complete record when you first heard it. How did you feel? What was it? Hit Factory? I think it was the Hit Factory on 56th Street, the new Hit Factory. Right. Not the old one. You came down.

How did you subscribe when you walked in the studio? Nah, man. It was like, you got to understand, you're definitely coming to the game. Y'all was in the game way before us and shit,

so I'm a fan already. You know what I'm saying I'm a fan of you Fan of Sun You know what I'm saying And different shit You had said something to me that night I don't know if you remember

Yeah He was like yo Grease I feel we gonna know each other for a long time Yeah Give me a holler about anything Or anything that's going on And it's been like that ever since. It's been like that ever since.

I remember that clearly. I'm like, this nigga's magical. And it's really, you know what the crazy shit? This is really my first really theatrical record. That's why when you said theatrical earlier, it was crazy because I remember that was not his only thing. We had already had I Love My Life, and I thought I was going to use it with him on there.

I already had all these other records with him. He was like, yo, let's do a concept record. And then this was just the perfect record. And to this day, that's the most record people always ask me to make a part two to. And it's just like, you know, like without all those elements at that time. But again, like, what was that moment when you know, because I like, cool, you know, me and you had a relationship.

You had gave me a beat take. But this is Nas now. Like, you know, it's just that part. When you came in and you heard a complete record with Nori and Nas talking about Body in the Chunk, what was you saying in your mind? Nah, it was fucking magical. Like, you understand, like, Noriega, Nas Escobar.

I'm like, niggas don't need mobs to shoot. So I'm going to make a mob to beat. Because I like to shoot some shit, you know what I'm saying? Boom. And niggas went right to the thing. Made a mob story. You know what I'm saying And then after that

Someone was like Yo you got more of those Yep I'm like yeah And that's when we did Get a person Right God damn it

God damn it Make some noise for that Yo Grease I don't know if you know Our show was about Giving people their flowers man Yes sir Giving people their

I usually drink at this time But I figured you know what If you ain't drinking I'm going to ride it out with you You know what i'm saying so that's the reason why i drink but i see you got the flower sweater you know what i'm saying these are butterinos you know what i'm saying like come on goddamn make some noise but let me just tell you something for real because you know i usually do this while i'm taking shots and whatever yeah but i figured you know you ain't drinking i ain I ain't want to, you know,

you know what, yeah, exactly. So I want to tell you to your face, man, you're a legend. You're a guy that, you know, you in every different era, you're a guy that gets props in most places, but I want you to get more props, you know what I'm saying? Because you really deserve that. You're really a great guy. You're really, you know, you're really,

I made a real staple in this game and in case people didn't know that in case nobody didn't tell you I'm going to tell you that to your face

I'm going to tell you that undrunk you know what I'm saying like hot you know what I'm saying and you deserve your flowers you're a real good guy you're one of the greatest

producers of all time and we wanted you to give me your motherfucking flowers thanks so we're going to bang bang we're gonna um yeah yeah yeah let's do the picture and then you gotta do some drops all right boom cool again thanks for joining us for another episode of drink champs hosted by yours truly dj efn

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