Drink Champs - Episode 276 w/ Silkk Da Shocker

Episode Date: August 27, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with the one and only Silkk the Shocker! No Limit Records changed the game and Silkk the Shocker, shocked the game with his unique flow and style, becoming one of the hip-hop’s biggest artists. Silkk shares his origin story, talks about working with JAY Z, using music to elevate his other business ventures, creating movies and more. Silkk the Shocker also shares stories of when No Limit Records was on top of the world! Jack Thriller joins the conversation. Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Make some noise!!!💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Drink up motherfuckers What it good be, hope it is what it should be This is your boy N.O.R.E What up it's DJ E.F.N And this is Drink Champs motherfucking happy hour Make some noise! Now, when I tell you, when I tell you,

this person that's standing next to me has one of the most unique, one of the most brilliant, one of the most loyal stories in hip-hop. From 504 Boys to, you know, the Hot Boys, to being a No Limit Soldier,

to riding that out, selling millions of records. From them, the guys being the first people to drop an album every week, every month, on every week. I've never seen nothing like that. Never seen nothing like that prior to that.

And I've never seen nothing like that after Never seen nothing like that prior to that. And I've never seen nothing like that after that. These guys were one of one. They are a one of one. We had the big Colonel on here. He didn't sweat. He was the only artist that we had here

that did not sweat. Master P. And the AC was broke. We was trying to get him to sweat so bad. We was trying to get him to drink and he did not sweat at all. And now we got the motherfucking Silk the motherfucking Shaggy.

So let me ask you off top. Did you watch Versus last night? I did. You did? Okay. All right. First off, who did you think was going to win? I kind of was on the fence.

I thought it was going to be a tight one i mean i like the dip set um but i also think the locks is underrated and stupid good too so why um so you say you went into the game with no no okay i know but then what happened when you watched it did y'all watch what i'm saying? Yes, yes. Nah, I mean, it was like, it started off a little flimsy and it just kept getting like, you know. And I was so rude for Dipset because I think that they dope. But I think that presence was so crazy

from everybody, but man, when Kiss just, he opened that thing up. He opened it up. He opened that thing up, man. There's two things that I learned real fast in life. One, I don't like Kevin Hart in the gym at all. Every time I see Kevin Hart in the gym, he's just like this tough guy.

He's nothing like how he is on the. He's all, oh, no, come on, Ryan. You're not trying to be funny. Kevin Hart never wanted to be in the gym with you. I got you. I just don't want to, right? I got you. Just don't.

His trainer, he don't. None of them. Together, them three, don't like him. Don't like him, OK. Don't like him. OK. And I don't want to right just don't his trainer he know none of them together from three don't like it don't like it I don't like it okay and I don't want to palettate a kiss on stage that's I also learned that like he his stage presence it's like the more that he starts getting into it like he's zoned in like did you see like when they paid the New York City and he just had the New York record to combine it they said you ain't got no girl records that he said I I got, yo,

they DJ was on, they rehearsed. They did. The DJ was on point. Shout out to the DJ. Will Silk do a versus? Ooh, that's a,

hmm. I would do a versus. Okay. At first, I was like, nah, but I like what they doing. So they also

appreciating each other too. Yeah, it's a celebration. And a celebration. And then it's also good camaraderie too against each other too. So, I get down too. But down to I got the perfect match me and Ori I'm just messing up the perfect map okay. Are we starting a trouble right here?

Are we starting it up? Are we starting a rule? Are we starting a rule? Shout out to Juvie. Shout out to Juvie. Just because I, you know, I watched the No Limit documentary, right, obviously.

And there was something because I watched it this time knowing that you was coming here. But I watched it before and this is something that blew over my mind. Okay. And I didn't understand

Pete said That he said When Cash Money came to sign To a priority I believe it was He said don't sign them there Don't sign them because And most people would say Why would he say don't sign them

That sounds like some haters shit But then if you hear What Master P said after that He said don't sign them You might get them killed or I might have saved their life because they said that Calio and Magnolia was really at it that much

that if they were to sign to them, that's what it alluded to. I might be like, you know, putting 100 on 10. But describe to us for that because you guys are from the Calio, right? And then they're from the Magnolia, right? So it really wasn't a cash money, no limit beef.

It was a Calio. Describe to us for people who've never been to New Orleans. It's funny because it is a serious thing. So if you were in a Calio back then and Magnolia, it was like, we was right by each other though. It was almost like less than a mile or two away maybe two miles away three miles away so

but it was real and we didn't understand it because um we were so the city was so small right so if like you might be from there but you walk in two or three miles you're gonna you got to go to school you got to do whatever so somebody hits your man and then you hit them. But you know what the craziest started off as fights. Fights, yeah. And then somebody just upped the one, the ratchet, right? And then it's like, boom, somebody got killed. And then that person, you know, and it just got stupid big because like one year I think it was Murder Capital World.

No, no, no, I remember that. Yeah, in the city. So it was just crazy And then so It took it real serious So we really I had people Actually my

I had family in the Magnolia What That I couldn't even go see You couldn't You couldn't go see Oh wow It's not like Chicago Yeah I couldn't go see

And I And that was like When you're young You think like I can't go But it was that serious Because You know if you lost somebody

They lost somebody It's serious for them And it kept going on for like And it took, but it was that serious because if you lost somebody, they lost somebody, it's serious for them. And it kept going on for like, and I think it took that into us being the Calio side, but really we was New Orleans. But it took us being from the Calio and them being from the, I mean, us being the Cali Magnolia. They said, okay, no limit is this, and then Cash Money is that. But it wasn't that. Cash Money was doing their thing. They was cool and everything was working. So it was 100.

So also, when I'm watching the documentary, it says that, I mean, they didn't say this outright, but it was like, yo, if P would have stuck with the music, it would have been a lot harder for Cash Money because, you know, P was doing so much things. He was doing the basketball thing. He was doing all that. Do you think that's true?

I think it's more like it happens how it's supposed to happen. I think Cash Money, everybody on Cash Money is dope. So I think they would eventually probably came up. But at that time, we just had it on lock. But, you know, there's always going to be somebody come behind you. So I think it would have probably happened. But I think it happened a little faster probably because we were into movies film you know stuff like that so it probably gave him a little a little more uh door open but i it's handling enough to probably eventually make it for sure you know

what i'm saying you know what's the the ill shit about watching the documentary like i said i reiterated to watch it again was they said that even the fiends was real fiends everything was real everything was real authentic you know the money everything it was damn near documentary yeah well yeah you know what's crazy um and i'm gonna say say this with great ignorance we didn't identify where it was because all we knew at the time was East Coast, West Coast

so we just like alright we don't know where that's at like we just and that was like the first time definitively like I know for the East Coast, I know you represent Miami. I don't know how you guys felt about that. Like we knew that New Orleans was a crazy fucking place. Just you bowed about it.

Yeah, yeah. Like the crackhead. Like we had not heard of this shit. We had not. Like, we didn't even know music passed to Port Arthur, Texas. Then, you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. So, when you guys came out, was it like trying to please the East Coast, trying to please the West Coast?

Or was it just like, yo, you know what? Let us just stick to our guns, one hundred million percent, period? You know what happened? Real talk, it was, we was in New Orleans but we wasn't making New Orleans music.

So if you look back, it was more about bounce music, it was P-pop, you know, whatever. That was New Orleans music. That was New Orleans, right. But we was in the streets and in the trenches with it

so we wanted to make, you know, like the Tupac music you know like that type of music like right but um they wasn't really hearing it and we had to kind of broaden our thing that's where the Bay Area stuff came in that where the stores are yeah I lived in Richmond as well right yeah yeah yeah so that so us us in New Orleans was more um it was a different kind of music that we was we was a part of it but we was trying to figure out how can we brand out. So we watched the East Coast, we watched the West Coast,

and I think we took a trip to the West Coast, and that kind of had a little more influence on us. You know what I'm saying? The West Coast. So now Jack Thriller, we were speaking to Jack Thriller, and when I was describing you, then Jack Thriller said, because Silk is like the Richie Rich of No Limit. What does he mean by that?

The artist Richie Rich? Or the cartoon Richie Rich? I think he's going for the cartoon. He's going for the cartoon. What does he mean by that? I don't know. You want some champagne? You want me to fill up your cup all?

Fill it up. Fill me up. Okay, I got you. I got you. I got you. But no, Jack, I've been on Jack for a long time. And so what he does know is that I work hard. And I'm behind the scenes on a lot of stuff, too.

Producing movies, right? A lot of stuff. Like a lot of the too. Producing movies, right? A lot of stuff. A lot of the tour stuff and all that. I put that on. We got the No Limit tour. Salud, my guy. Salud, salud, god damn. You got to sip it or don't come.

You got to sip it or don't come. So you got the No Limit tour, you said? Yeah, so we put the tour on. The tour has been doing pretty good. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's been crazy. But the pandemic stopped a lot of it, but now it's started back up in, I want to good. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's been crazy. But the pandemic stopped a lot of it, but now it's started back

up in, I want to say, September, October. We're everywhere. We're like the Hawks play, we're in Pelican. So we're doing pretty good with it. So just behind, so he knows me as really doing business and getting it done. So I think that he means like,

but a lot of people don't see a lot of me. So they're like, oh, what's Silk up to? But I really get it. I get busy, man, lot of people don't see a lot of me. So they're like, oh, what's Silk up to? But I really get, I get busy, man, for sure. Because, see, a lot of rappers, see, I guess what he's saying is, you know, a lot of rappers, we get a three, four, five-year run. But a person that gets a 20-year run, you're either really rich or you're really, really broke.

You know what I'm saying? I'm good, I'll tell you that much. You just ain't going to Port Rock. You know what I'm saying? Let's make some noise for that. And I think that's what it is. I was able to,

you know, I don't really look at stuff that we did in the past. I try to keep it consistent with what I could do today. So I think that what I do bring to the table, I'll always be somebody

who could redefine himself. I mean, music-wise, I mean, music could table, I will always be somebody who could redefine himself. I mean, music-wise, I mean, music could change, but business and doing what we did, it's the same thing. And I don't even talk about, like, what we did or how much money we made. I'm talking about consistently being able to do it. Like, you could find a new hustle every day and make it work, but you could apply the same principles. And working hard and being innovative is going to always be the recipe for success anytime.

It seemed like y'all were just using music to get to these other businesses at one point. I mean, most people are the smart ones doing that. Right.

You take a Beyonce or you take a Drake or whatever, they got so many deals off the table, off the court, should I say, in basketball,

that... We already just hit a billion. That's what I'm saying. Nothing to do with music. Nothing to do with music, you know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm saying. But she could use her brand and look at Jay with the Ace of Spades,

you know, Rick, whatever. Or you could say everything to do with music because that's the platform that helps her make that network. Yeah. I think that's the success right there. Like, because she's such a dope, all of them such a dope musical artist,

that's a fan base right there. So, like I said, so even when he got his base, they watching and Denise spanned his base. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's the recipe for success. So I don't think that, and me, I still make money off of like my old music,

but I'm also still making money off of doing shows. I mean, that's going to be, no matter what, I still can play in my fault and people say, so that's because... So I got to ask you this question. I want you to be 100% honest with me. Who was the first Hot Boys? Because it was confusing, us being on the East Coast.

You got Hot Boys, y'all Hot Boys, and now Wayne and them, and them is a hot boys too. I feel like there was more hot boys when you hear about it. Just keep it real. So, you know what? It was,

I mean, I give it to them. I think I give it to them. Really? Yeah, because, I mean, but it was a culture. Because y'all had a hot boy movie. Yep. Okay.

But it was a cultural thing. In New Orleans. Yep. And everybody, I'm a hot boy this, hot boy Rich, hot boy Ronald, hot boy Nori.

Okay. What does that mean, hot boy? That means like the man in the city. You know what I'm a hot boy this, hot boy Rich, hot boy Ronald, hot boy Nori. What does that mean, hot boy? That means like the man in the city. You know what I'm saying? If you say he's a hot boy in New York, that means that he's either snitching. Oh, that's what it is.

Or he's hot, like the police is looking for him. That's why it was a totally different slang when they was like, there's a hot boy. I was like, damn. And then it was two of y'all why it was a totally different slang when they was like, there's a hot boy. I was like, damn. And then it was two of y'all. It was two different sets. I would say it's more of they looking for us. We on fire.

You know what I'm saying? We got the city on, you know, we doing what we hustling. We out here making stuff happen. That's what it was. So that's for the whole city. You know what I'm saying? That was the city. So it was just, it was just, that's.

Was there ever a discrepancy with cash money? Because you both, y'all called each other hot boys? No, it never was. Well, we haven't spoke about it, but we respect them as the hot boys. So I don't, the movie was more about the city of New Orleans being that, like, what's the term in East Coast they use? Like, let's say. For hot boys? No, just anybody.

No, just anything. He lit? I don't know. Okay, so let's say we make the movie called He Lit use, like, let's say? For a hot boy? No, just anybody. No, just anything. He lit? I don't know. Okay, so let's say we make the movie called He Lit. I mean, who runs it? Like, who owns it? Okay, yeah. It was more that, but it was all love.

It was all respect, though. As far as them as a group, so it was all love. Was both of the crews, obviously, it was No Limit first, right? Nationally, at least. Yeah. And then Cashmere, did that amplify the beef between the two hoods? The music being so big nationally? I don't even know.

I think... Or would it? Like it was the same regardless? It was just bad overall. You know what I'm saying? It was tough. It was a lot of people. But I would say

if it was, I didn't hear about it. It was just more street stuff. You know what I'm saying? Right. That's crazy. So, but holy moly, rock and roll, we didn't, I didn't hear about it. It was just more street stuff. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right. That's crazy. So, but,

um, holy moly, rock and roll. If we're getting in, you ready? Yeah. All right. Come on.

God damn it. Holy moly. I got notes, man. I got notes. That's good. Let's get it. This,

this was something that was, the beach by the pound. Okay. What was it? Uh, KLC and Calico, I believe it is. Uh,

no, KLC, I think it was, um, uh, KLC, Odell, Moby, I think Craig B and some other people. It was a bunch of them. So that was Beats by the Pack. Yeah, Beats by the Pack. So when you look at all the first albums, all of you guys, it's all produced by the same producers.

Then you guys weak, this heavy heavy heavy plateau yeah and then all of a sudden when you look at the documentary yeah it was actually like I think pee on the phone it was like okay y'all don't want to work with us with but that's it and it was simply like that yeah is that awkward you go to the studio every day with the same producers and then you you go into that same studio and then it produces is gone but I know you develop a relationship, at least a sound with them.

Definitely developed a sound. A sound, yeah. Yeah, no, it was. And, you know, you adjust to it, but, you know, when you have, that's like Dre and Snoop

or whatever, you know what I'm saying? You have it and you know to go to, okay, I'm going to go to, I'm going to go, you hit, you know, blah, blah, blah.

So it's kind of like one of those things where you have to get over that, and then how you redevelop your sound when you have a hot sound. And that was the most, that was the toughest thing. And then you know the people, so you kind of cool with everybody. But yeah, I think that was the most.

But was that a business lesson? Because at times, I'm sure you can't agree with everything P do, you know what I'm saying? And was there ever a time where you was like, damn, I wish he would have did this or did that like was that one of them or no um no for me at the time it wasn't that because I didn't know about it I'm just kind of artist respecting in everybody's face and kind of like doing my thing you know I'm I'm doing what I'm doing so end of the day you know P is in control and so I just I just kind of whatever he kind of went with that's what it was at that point so wasn't what it wasn't nothing I personally

knew at the time so I couldn't say if he did it right or wrong he might have had a justification for or not I don't know what he had for it but yeah that was something I guess at the time it it happened you know what I'm saying okay something that we we've um never had a chance to speak about on this show is Soulja Slim. Soulja Slim is so much of a legend. I remember me hearing about him and I remember him for lack of a better term

from when we first heard of y'all, that was one of the first him and C-Murda really. Those dudes are really street. They're really, really, really street. Soulja Slim, obviously, he, those dudes are really street. They're really, really, really street. And Soulja Slim, obviously, he lost his life to the street. So can you speak about Soulja Slim? Because we've never

spoke about him. Yeah. Soulja was dope, man. He was like, before his time, he was, I mean, I was cool with him. I ain't had a chance to really like know, you know, really deep into him. But the streets loved him. His hood loved him and they

he had this aura about him where it was just he could just do it and you feel him cause you know he been there he in the trenches with it

so it was dope man so he was a gangster first rapper second he definitely was a bit of a gangster but you know not really you know

to the point where it's just like doing it like that it was like yeah you know mess with me you know it's on it's up there so that's it but you it like that. It was like, yeah, you know, mess with me, you know, it's on, it's up there. So that's it. But you got to respect that though.

So, sure. Now, C-Murda. I've met C-Murda a couple times. I've met C-Murda a couple times. I'll tell you the second time I've met C-Murda. I think this is right after y'all signed Snoop.

Yep. This is after the incident happened at whatever it was at. And we had the Sauce Awards. And I seen Nas the day before. And Nas tell me, yo, come on my bus. And I go on Nas' bus.

And C-Burner's sitting there with a TikTok and a shotgun. Sounds about right. Sounds about right. That's the last person I'm thinking walking on Nas' bus. And I'm sitting there and they had a real relationship.

I'm sitting there and how they talk to each other. And I was like, that's something, like, you don't see no pictures with Nas and Steve Berger. You don't see, like, that's, did you know about that? I didn't know about it, but I know Steve would pop up. Man, he be with everybody. Like, I think, man, LL got a super love relationship for him. Wow. It just be, like you say, random.

Right, right. Like, oh, you mess with Steve. But, like, Ludo, everybody, you know, they got a genuine love for him So I could imagine that and then Nas is 102 so I could I could see them to TR you know, but you know the TR you right? It was a little discrepancy. Um You know, obviously everyone know that's never that we see murders. Yeah crew. Yeah crew. Yeah. 2 Chainz comes out with TRU, basically TRU. Yeah, yeah. Did they ever work that out?

They actually did, man. They talked on the phone, squared it away, kept it all cool. I think it was more of a misunderstanding. I think it was more of a respect thing, where it's like, I think it was more of like a misunderstanding. I think it was more of like a respect thing where it's like I think that the meanings are different, but it is the same. And I think that he

took that to offense. But then once they talked, I think they was cool. I think 2 Chainz saluted them and said it wasn't no big deal. And so they both worked it out and I think they're really cool now for sure. God damn it. Make some noise for that. God damn it. Make some noise for that. Jeez noise for that Jeez Louise Papa cheese is going down. I'm ready to do some shots ready do some shots. All right, cool

No, I got the crazy. All right. What the hell? What is that? I'm not At all. Yeah I don't even look if it got on my finger and I went down with it. What is that? What is it? It's moonshine moonshine? Holy moly. Okay. Alright, so before we get into this, before we get into that, alright, I said the 504 boys, right? Okay. Oh, you dated Monica too, right? No controversy.

No, I didn't date Monica at all. No, no, no. That's C, girl. Oh, that's right. That's right. Maya? No, I didn't date Maya at all. You was talking about a lot of bitches at one point. I knew I can't mess it to my head at all. You was knocking down a lot of bitches at one point. I knew I came for messing with this guy.

Look at the shot. I came for Norrie, but I'm telling you right now. Let me just tell you, you was a sexy boy at one point. At one point, every chick in the game, you was running around with a boy or something like that. A little bit. Take a shot. Yeah, take a shot.

Take a shot of some good shit. You want some Ciroc? You want some, oh yeah, some heavier shit. I'm good, I'm good. Okay, you good? You sure? I might be like completely sober. Nah, nah, nah, you good.

You good. Here, take a shot. Here, you want to take it? All right, cool. Give me one of these, dude. Give me one of these, dude. Give me one. Give me one.

Give me another cup. Mmm. Oh, that shit felt like it was crushed. Oh, no, it's good. I'm good. Come on. Come on. We going to motherfucking... We don't know if you're going to be able to do it. Oh, that shit felt like it was crushed. Oh, no, it's good. I'm good.

Come on. Come on. We're going, motherfucker. We don't know if you know what our show is about. Our show is about giving people their flowers while they alive. You know what I'm saying? You're a motherfucking legend.

You beat me in every category of the Source Awards. And we're going to talk about that. Salud, guys. But we're still good, though. Are we good? Are we good? I heard the thing.

You beat me in every category. You know that's the best year of my life, 1998. Oh, damn, I was popping that time. Oh, yeah. Let's make some noise for you. Let me tell you something. It was me, pun, Daz, Daz. No, no, me, pun, corrupt.

But Daz was with them. And every award we came up, he came up and he was like, soak the shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, damn, nigga, like I didn't win nothing. Oh, man.

Because of you, I never go to awards no more. Okay, okay, okay. He's traumatizing that shit. My bad, my bad. Listen, I was arguing with you. You must have brought that shit up like every other episode.

I argued with Benzino, like, I'll tell you what, this was like, I had nothing I argued with Benzino, like, I'm talking about, this is like, I had nothing to do with anything. Like, we're arguing about ice cream or some dumb shit. And I'm like, I'll never forget you for the Sosa Awards. He's like, what are you talking about? I swear to God. But yo, so what were you talking about before that? You were talking about you knocking down

a lot of girls. No, I did not. I didn't do such a thing. Back in the days, though, you married now? I'm definitely I'm married, too, but we such a thing. Come on. Back in the days, though, because what you got, you married now? I'm definitely... I'm married, too, but we had a past. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had a past. So, you know,

you was finger popping a lot of things, right? If you put it like that, you... Yeah, sure, but yeah. You're not setting it up for him to want to answer that. Yeah, but that's a good setup.

Definitely before my serious relationship I'm in now, for sure. But now, no, I just, I used to have a lot of, I had friends and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, because, like, I'm not going to lie. He now, no, I just, I have friends and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah,

because like, I'm not going to lie. He's good, he's good. He's good. I'm not going to lie. They had you in like the Jay-Z category type of style.

Like, you was, like, no, I'm dead serious. Like, yeah, no, I'm dead serious. Like, for real. He agrees with you. No, I'm telling you. He got the point.

I'm telling you, like, at one point when we were all on that cover, like, there were people telling us, now Silk is, y'all not on Silk's level. I'm telling you, like, at one point, when we were all on that cover, like, there were people telling us, now Silk is, y'all not on Silk's level. And we were like, really? They're like, yo, he going to be compared to Jay-Z, I swear to God.

There was like, the amount of chicks he was knocking down. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Not because of my talent? That's what you're saying? It's the room on the street, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

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or wherever you get your podcasts. So no limit, man. I ain't gonna lie. It must have been a lot of groupies around. I mean, this is back in the days. A lot of groupies. Disclaimer. What's your back in the days. A lot of groupies. What's your favorite groupie story? Groupie story. Oh, well, then, I mean, I wasn't really

into it like that because I was like more just trying to stay out of it, but you would come to the hotel and stuff and it would be just like a bunch of women and then they'd be at your door and then they'd be, it's like, so I didn't, I wasn't, I don't really like that too much myself personally, but that was, it was, it was just. So what you was asking your door and then they be, it's like, so I didn't, I wasn't, I don't really like that

too much myself personally but that was, it was, it was just. So what you was asking the door and saying, it ain't my fault?

I was definitely saying it's my fault, now get out of here. But no, I wasn't really, like, but it was there, it was just,

you know, and at that moment you don't really know what it is, you just, you're going through the motion but you are successful

so at that time, same thing right now, it'll be the same thing as now, It's just like they're going to come. You ain't give a fuck. No, I didn't. I was just trying to get to the bag and have fun and live life. That's about it.

Just focused. How about Mystical? You ever seen Mystical? No, I didn't. That sounds like a trick question. I didn't see Mystical. It was like we was young. I mean, Miskell was just like every other body. He was just like randomly, you know, he just have fun, you know, just living his life.

I was not privy to that because I'm doing my own thing. But, nah, shout out to Miskell for sure. That's what's up, man. They had the all-star team. All-star team, yeah. Now, back to this record when you and me, you go back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm joking, I'm joking. No, no, all-star team. Now, back to this record when you... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, that was real shit, that was real shit.

So, we good now? Yeah, no, we've been good, we've been good. Listen, listen, let me tell you something. I'm the definition of hate the game and never the play. Like, always like, I always blame the sauce, I did. So, what would Benzino tell you then? He was like, they were paying $250,000 to add. And I was like, he did not say

I gave them an award. He never said that. They were buying ads in the assortment. He said, of course, my loyalty was kind of with them like they was buying $250,000 ads at the time. But he's never said

I gave them an award. I can't ever take that from you. I can't, I'm an honest person. So, yeah, let me get a blunt. Let me get a blunt. Boris, you got one bro? Holy moly, guacamole. Let's go, baby. Let's go. Stand up. So, and that

album, what was it? Charged to the Game? I think it was Charged to the Game or Made Man, one of those. No, it was Charged to the Game. I remember. Yeah, Charged to the Game. I think Charged to the Game. The Charged to the Game had Jay-Z on it? The Charged to the Game had Jay-Z on it? Oh, that's not the one? Made Man? Made Man? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I just heard a record with you. You said, don't compare Jay-Z to Kodak. Oh, that was another record. But I did do a song with Jay-Z. Yeah, no, we're going to get to that. Hold on. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.

I got the questions lined up. Move along. Okay, hold on. So you said, don't compare Jay-Z to Kodak. What was the exact line? So I'm more, no, hold on. Is that what I said? Don't compare Jay-Z to Kodak, but I think I'm more,

because I'm more Kodak than Jay-Z. Or Jay-Z than Kodak. I think I flipped it so bad, both ways. So you can't compare the two, but I was saying that, but I'm more Kodak. I got to get that line, that's a good one. I gotta figure that out, you gotta figure that part out. You don't got the record, man?

Wait, wait, wait, that was, it just slipped on us. We didn't, we wasn't prepared. It was just, I'm more Jay-Z than Kodak. So it's on the, it's on the, it's on the I'll Make Sense Later album. It's a pretty good line, I mean, man. Oh, so, so that's recent. Cause Kodak is recent, yeah. So that's recent. Because Kodak is recent.

So you like Kodak? Is that an artist you've met? No, I met him. He's out of his mind. I like directness. I met Kodak in a restaurant. He brung his own chicken. Let's make some noise for him.

Anybody get their own chicken in the after show. We did him round 112, and he said, here's some of that Haitian chicken, boy. I said, if this nigga don't remind me

of a Rich Sonny, he bought his own chicken. Listen, by the way, Prime 112 is a pretty great restaurant. He brought it from the crib? I don't know. He just said,

this is that Haitian chicken, boy. I said, oh, I had to pick a piece of Haitian chicken. They probably just cooked it the way he wanted it. No, he added in the white shit this is like the organic food kings coming he had his own shit i looked i said this is this this is proud boys man these are these boys they different man

definitely different yeah he's a different dude man would you like to work with um new artists like that i do um but i see it's so many talented artists. I'm like, man, it's a lot of good ones too. So it's kind of good to keep seeing it redevelop. Most people are like,

oh man, we want to be stuck in a time where that's the era that they like. But I'm like, you know, artists,

talents, you can tell. I don't care if it's country, rock, whatever. I feel it's talent. That's it. And people like Kodak,

you know, sometimes a little bit, they do stuff they way, but still the talent is there though. Yeah. No, no, no. That's, I fuck with him.

I fuck with him. He crazy as the motherfucker. Crazy as the motherfucker. So, all right. Okay, yeah. My block to your block. Yep, that's the one.

That's the record with Jay-Z. Okay. How did this happen? So, you know what? Jay, I mean, so it's funny that Jay is, like, successful. But, you know, back then, he had the work ethics of... That's real. No, no, but I'm saying...

He's like, it's funny. I'm saying because it's the people who have that kind of determination and drive. It takes them a while. But like we like even like going Jadakiss, you say like Jadakiss has been dope. Right. But I think yesterday proves to everybody else that who didn't know how dope he was. Right. So it shows he's great, actually.

But he's been great, though. Right. So with Jay, it's like even from the first time at priority, whatever he was doing, whatever he's trying to look for a deal, actually. But he's been great, though. Right, exactly. So with Jay, it's like, even from the first time at Priority, whatever he was doing, whatever, he was trying to look for a deal, whatever. When was that part? I already did. I didn't even peep that. Quick. He was there quick.

But what happened was, this is a funny story. It's like, I wanted Jay. Nobody really knew Jay at the time, but I kind of wanted him before. And then it kind of worked out. We got together. And so I'm like, yo, I need this song. And by that time, by the time I actually got to it, Jay was kind of wanted before and then it kind of worked out we got together and so I'm like yo I need this song and by that time by the time I actually got to it

Jay was kind of popping a little more and rest in peace to DMX too I think it's supposed to be me DMX and Jay on the record and yo and then DMX was like I got you

you know what I'm saying not to say I got you but I got you right and I think what happened I had a he's watching us right there look he's watching my guy you know what I right? And I think what happened, I had a... He's watching us right there. Look, he's watching. My guy.

You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. But, so what happened was, my album had... Remember the... It was a tour that Jay-Z and DMX was on. Yeah, the... No, it was a... It was a Hard Knock Life tour.

That's the one, right? That's the one. So, what happened was, my album was supposed to be turned in on a Thursday at 10, 11 a.m. And, I think, the tour was over

Wednesday night. Okay. So, Wednesday night. And, I needed, I said, I need this thing

by Thursday, we're remastering it, right? Right. So, And, y'all in the same session or he at the same seat? No, no, he's in, he's at the concert, it, right? Right. And y'all in the same session?

No, no, no. He's at the concert. He's at the concert. And he was like, I got you. But, you know, it's funny because he left the show, I think, immediately, went back and knocked it out like three or four in the morning and sent it. You know what I'm saying? For you to make the time in the morning. For me to make time. You know what I'm saying? For you to make the time in the morning. For me to make time.

You know what I'm saying? And he could have just been, you know, and I'm tired, I just rocked the show. And Salute to DMX too, he didn't really want to do it, but he just probably was like,

I'm going to get in the morning, I didn't have time to do it, so I just had to go with, boom, with Jay Gaiman. He came through, man, and I hit Jay, I'm like, yo,

because Jay killed it. I'm like, yo, how much I owe you? Jay like, it ain't even nothing. I was about to give him 100. He was like, nah, we good I owe you? Jay like, it ain't even nothing. I was about to give him a hundred. He was like, nah, we good on the house. And it's good because he asked me to do something.

I did something for him. So it was dope. It was a dope situation. Jay's solid, man. Jay's all the solid. Let's just be clear. He just said, I was going to give him a hundred. Let's just be clear.

It ain't a hundred dollars. It's a hundred dollars. It's on the way. It's on the way. It's on the way. Holy guacamole. It's on the way. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Jake.

That was one thing that was known that's like the difference, and I don't want to bring up the other company. One company is kind of known for not paying people. I mean, I'm sorry. The fuck? You don't hear the rumors? The fuck? All right.

Cool. It's just me. All right. No problem. I'll take it. All right, but then Master P and No Limit was known for the exact opposite, for paying the artists, for everyone. Even if you look at it, they said, everyone got a watch, everyone got a car,

everyone got a house in their name. Not just a house, a watch, and a car under someone else's name. They could always take it away, which we heard that happened in Death Row, which we heard that happened in these other companies what what made you think that he wanted to do right by his artist what made what how you develop that i think that at the time maybe not knowing but just um having the resources to do it um seemed like the right thing to do and then i I think if you're making money, you should be able to pay.

You know, you pay the money. You know what I'm saying? Because that's how you make more money. You kind of keep it going. You don't want to, you know, not give somebody that they're not going to work for. You know what I'm saying? So I think that was the formula. It was good business.

Yeah, formula. Yeah, for sure. No, that's different, man. That's real, real, real, real different. You know, even the Snoop thing. Yeah. You know, it bugged me out to hear Snoop say, after, I think it's after the chronic,

after Doggystyle, after something like that, he was broke and he asked for $3,500. And then Master B gave him $35,000. Like, if that don't prove loyalty to you, like, you immediately become loyal to a person. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was ill.

Like, you never watched the documentary? Yeah, no, we watched it when P came. Okay, okay, okay, that's right, that's right, that's right. I didn't watch it when P came. I didn't. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy. But, you know, that... So, did you realize, like...

I spoke to Fat Joe yesterday, right? And Fat Joe said to me, he was like, yo, man, you realize, like, I spoke to Fat Joe yesterday, right? And Fat Joe said to me, he was like, yo, man, you should have came out here. I said, man, I had a shock. I can't leave. And he's like, so he's like, yo, but this is one of the moments where you're in history and you know that this is history that you're creating. I asked you that. Like, did you know when y'all was, like, on top of the world and doing these albums week after week after week after week?

Even though you might have not been on the employee side, but that was your brother who was doing it. So you got to get credited for that. Anyway, did y'all know y'all was in the middle of history? And what it was doing for the South, too, on top of that. Yeah. At the time, we didn't really know. We was just hungry, had a plan, executed it. And I think when you do that, and nobody else is doing that,

because we would outwork everybody. We would be, like, going to sleep on the floor. We would wear the same clothes 10 days in a row. And we was, like, if you're paying us chicken, we're going to come to the concert and tour. You know what I'm saying? Like, we was like, oh, you got $5? So it was more, like, the work ethic.

And I think that every time that we went somewhere like we would be like in a in a hood right like we'll come your hood you'd be like what y'all doing here and people you know in the hood they like yo you ain't from back here you can get it right but we had we met people that was like yo we're gonna let you slide this time because y'all crazy but we're gonna buy this cd you know this this the people in the neighborhood who's who's talk that talk and walk that walk so um so that's the same thing with us we was like in that moment we didn't really know we was just doing it so when we come to new york and we pass not the cds you remember it we go to dc we go to florida and and so by we hitting that grassroots campaign every time we look up we have a new base that's like, oh, I'm going to get these guys.

And we put the money back into the projects. So it was constantly putting it back, putting it back. And then but you will also see people like, oh, I like y'all. I really like y'all. And then it was growing and it was like no declining because when you go pick your first checkup, so you're in the hood. Then you go pick your first checkup, so you're in the hood, then you go pick your first checkup for this amount of money, and you did it on your own, you just say,

oh, I made this happen with this, so you take the bulk of it again and put it back, and it kept on, you know, money makes stuff happen. I was telling Nori that, I remember, I said 94, but I think it was 95,

how can I be down? I remember you guys coming out here and it was like, it felt like it was a thousand people wearing no lipsticks. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, it was like yeah, it was just an impression that that's an impression on me. Yeah for sure You know mm-hmm Yep, that's who yeah So so um I didn't this happens it but once time where it seems like everyone's leaving the lake, right?

Mm-hmm. I believe Mystical left first. Then this is your brother. Yeah. So, I imagine you don't have no option to leave because you got to look at him on Thanksgiving. I imagine. I imagine. I can't. I know I wouldn't let my brother leave.

Like, nigga, you ain't going nowhere. Like, let me make mistakes with everyone else, but you stay. You know what I'm saying? Because I think it happened like two or three times because it was like a new low limit. But the first time it happened,

you had to be 18, some shit like that. And you see all of your friends that you're used to leaving. What is going through your mind? Are you saying this is business and you understanding that

or are you saying, man, like life is hitting you hard because... That's a good question. At the time, I was just in it. I don't think I really appreciated like what was going on around me.

I was so locked in on what I was doing. I know that, I'm sure, you know, some of the artists had grievances. I'm sure, you know, I'm sure everybody felt a certain way or whatever. So I was out of that loop with that that I just kind of went with the punches and then me you know at that time kind of like the loyalty is with the family um and I didn't hear what they were saying so I'm kind of like yeah whatever I ain't trying to hit none of that stuff y'all talking about but I'm sure everybody

had a probably a reason that they thought they probably was, you know, but I wasn't privileged to it. So I was just looking at it like, oh, us against y'all, you know, whatever. But, you know, it wasn't really like that. It was just I don't know what the business part of it. They probably were just felt a certain way. And we don't know. I don't know. I stayed out of it.

Like one of the illest dudes I know is Jungle, right? Because Jungle is Nas' brother. And when you see Jungle, when Jungle just walks on the street, there's people that just gets at Jungle just to get at his brother. Oh, gotcha. Is that something you ever had to go through? Like people trying to get at you to get at Pete? Or people trying to tell you their stories?

Like, I'm just giving, I'm just saying, like Cain and Abel or something. Like coming to you and saying, Silk, man, can you tell Peter to let me go? You went through some shit like that before? I'm sure I did. I remember many conversations where I'm talking to people and they have grievances, good or bad. Some of them have

good stories, like, oh, I want to do this, and some of them have, I guess, stories where they're like, I want to move and do this way. So, yeah yeah that happens a couple times a lot of times and I want to say to you shout you out too because I heard that you stayed for your boy so I

appreciate that and I was like you can be anywhere in the world they offered me a jet and everything I said I'm not doing it it's too important because let me just tell you something like you know through and everything. I said I'm not doing this. It's too important. Let me just tell you something. Through all this shit, it was all in a good game.

Not just you personally. I just think I'm a better artist. Not just you personally, but overall to anybody. When you think like that, I'm going to have to go look at the numbers and you look and you say damn this motherfucker did though 2 million I went a slow million

that year like you got to just give it up no for real like I did go platinum but it was a slow platinum my pun was a fast platinum DMX was the fastest platinum

I've never seen nobody go as fast as him and then did it again that year but didn't you drop another album that year in 98 yep and I think that one I sold. But didn't you drop another album that year in 98? Yep, and I think that one

I sold the first one, yep. So, you did what DMX did. I did some numbers. Wow, look a lot of people don't know that. Look, because I remember I think if I'm not wrong Chargers to the Game dropped in February. Yeah, early February.

No, early February, I think earlier February. Early February and then yeah, and see what album... When you Google then, yeah, see what album, when you Google that, and then see what album dropped because I believe you did the same shit. I did. I did drop two albums.

Word. For sure. For sure. So, why are you so humble, man? I just feel... We're going to make you take a shot and get this humble shit out of you, man. I know.

You're going to start popping some shit. I'm out of here. Get Jack through that, man. I'm out of here. We're going to get you popping some shit. Oh, my God. You're going to talk about

your finger popping anything. Oh, my God. Forever 98. Jack, you popping some shit. You're going to talk about your finger popping everything. Oh, my God. Forever 98. What was the same album that he dropped that same year? It might have been... Made Men? Yeah, I think Made Men. Made Men?

That's the same year? It was very close. I know that much. It might be beginning of 99. I'm not sure. Let's see. January 29th. You on it. Come on, man. I know not sure. What's that? January 29th. Yeah, so yeah. You on it, you on it. Come on man, I know my shit. I never told nobody.

I know my shit. I'm a hip hopper for real man. Come on man, I'm glad. I did that without Googles too. I did that without Googles, yeah. That's a new thing. Going to Google, you know what I'm saying? So, do you know the impact that you made on the game?

Do you know like... Because I can see you're a humble guy. I can one million're a humble guy. I can 1 million percent tell, and I appreciate that. But, like, you know, Buster, Buster Rhymes, he always tell me that. He's like, yo, I like your humbleness, but fuck that shit.

So, for lack of a better term, I'm saying the same shit to you. I like your humbleness, but fuck that. Like, do you know who you are in this game? Do you know what you really, really did? Like, on your own, without your brother. I know. Okay. No, no, no, you no you uh no it's funny bro and i we i had this conversation like a couple nights

ago and you were 100 correct on it and i'm glad you brought up because i am humble i am quiet and we just said that we're actually doing some stuff where i'm gonna bring people to my everyday life right because my everyday life is crazy. But I really do know now what I did. And I shout out to all the artists, all the CEOs, all the people. Shout out to my guy

Quality Control. He really told me that. He's like, Silk, you know, you're one of my favorite rappers, right? But some of the rappers say it as well. What happened? Oh. What is he wearing?

It's James Bond. He look like burnt aluminum for you. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Make some noise for Jack Thriller. Did somebody say Jack and cocaine? Jack and cocaine. Oh, my God.

Let him finish, though, please. No, no. But what you're saying is, that's correct, and I think that's a flaw by, you know, that's not really good. It's good to be that way, but I ain't gonna lie.

Humanly. It's good humanly good, but honestly, I really do know what I did because people tell me all the time, and I'm humble, but I'm like, you F'd that. You know what I'm because all people tell me all the time and I'm humble but I'm like you f that you know yeah I'm about to get out of that because um you know you you put the work in and what a lot of people will say is oh you still use before your time too

right you know and then the artists I love the artists too because even a newer generation they they um they kind of see what what we saw so what, I never was rapping off beat. Right. People just listening wrong. You know what I'm saying? That was a big, big, big, one of the things I always do, because Twitter is like

the most negative place to go in the world. So whenever I interview an artist, I always say, I'll go to Twitter. And Twitter will be like, yo, I got Siddha Shaka, I got such and such.

And they always say the meanest things in the world. So I take some of them and I use it for the interview. And one of the things I said is when I said I got Siddilla Shaka, I got such and such. And they always say the meanest things in the world, so I take some of them and I use it for the interview. And one of the things I said is when I said I got Silla Shaka, they immediately said, why was he always rhyming off beat? You said they were hearing it wrong. No, for sure.

Yes, okay. No, just think about it. If you back back and listen to it, now everybody want me to rap like I used to rap. Right. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people say you blue face farther lyrically. But blue face is dope, though.

No, no, blueface is dope as shit to me. But what I'm saying is when I said that, it was like, if it wasn't for Silk, there would be no blueface. But I feel like they're saying, because the offbeat thing. What do you think? That's exactly what they're saying. But you're saying not offbeat, just a different pocket.

Okay, I'm sorry. No, no, the way the flow was, it was just a different pocket. Well, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. You know, the way the flow was, it was just a different pocket. It was it was so on point, though. Like, right. And I did it that way on purpose. But I also did it that way because who wants the same thing? Right. So but if you listen to it now, it makes sense. And nobody wants the same thing now. They're like, so you should got you got to go back and do what you used to do before. Because not only is the offbeatness, but also my scream, my yell, my up, my down, all of it was designed.

And if you listen to it now, you would understand. Because you got to be a person that says, listen, if you don't like Keith Sweat, you're not going to like him. If you don't like... I like Keith Sweat, though. Of course, me too. But if you don't like... I took a shot for Keith Sweat. I like Keith Sweat, though. Of course, me too. But if you don't like... I'm going to take a shot for Keith Sweat. Shot of Keith Sweat.

Just on the strength of that. Jack, we're ready to take a shot for Keith Sweat. We got to take a shot for Keith Sweat. We're going to take a shot for anybody. I need that. Did your nasty asses put your gum in your shot glass? No, that was him. Oh, okay.

All right, cool. That was him. He didn't want no shot. I'm going to put this on eBay. Let's go on eBay. All right, yeah, go on eBay. Go ahead. You want a shot, too?

No, no, no. You want a shot of moons? No, no, no. You want a shot of moonshot? No, no. Where's our bottle boy? Bottle boy. Bottle boy. Bottle boy.

Bottle boy. Bottle boy. Mr. Lee, man. That's your new eye. That's your new eye. That's your new eye. Yo, Jack, you got on makeup? Huh?

You got on makeup. Yeah, I got on makeup. I got on makeup. You know what I'm saying? I want to make you. I want to make you. I got my nails done too. This some pimp shit.

Come on now. I have a reason to turn the chat. You want this? You got acrylics? I would like to get some of that please. Okay, come on, let me get you a plastic mask as well. Yeah, please. Oh shit.

Come on, let the bottom boy do it. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. We gonna use this nigga today. We gonna use him today. We gonna, I know the drill today. Logan, I'm trying some. Try some man. This is a shot, not a shot.

I ain't trying none of that shit. And Silk, I don't suggest you try none of that. I'm not doing it. Finish your shot, though, Silk. You can finish your shot. Oh, my goodness. Listen, Silk. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

This is all about you, Salou. Salou, this is all about you. Yeah, yeah. Appreciate it, my guy. Cheers, fellas. Cheers. Appreciate it. So, Jack, we ain't speak to you since the piece of push and fire at you.

Yeah. We had difficulties getting the new contract together. Okay. Yeah, yeah, and so you know, I moved, I'm trying to get my own pizza pussy shit going on. Yeah, yeah, pizza pussy? It's only a piece of pussy. No, no, no, no, man, no.

Don't do the pizza pussy no more. You see, I done changed the flow of my Instagram stories. You know, there's no more ladies in there no more. You used to be one of my favorite subscribers Oh Come on. He wasn't the only one. He was the only one. He was only Jack. He was subscribed to only Jack. Yeah, yeah. I can switch my shit up.

I was married now. Yeah, yeah. To SWV. Man, Lee Lee from SWV. God damn it. Hey, y'all say happy birthday. She has had a 48th birthday. Y'all say happy birthday to Lee Lee.

One, two, three. Happy birthday. She's a big fan of the show. She has had her 40th? 48th. All but to say, she got to be older than me. God damn it, I'm 43. Yeah, she's been five years, God damn it. Okay, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Man, don't try to God damn put her on AARP. No, no, no. Don't try to put her on AARP. AARP, yeah, yeah. Ain't nothing wrong with it. So let me ask you, Jack, you eat an ass every night? Man, I try to eat an ass as much as I can. In the morning still.

In the evenings. In the morning. In the afternoons. Do you eat ass every night? Do you eat ass every night, Norris? Now you and your wife do it. No, no, no. How about you still?

You don't eat your ass? No, no, no. At all? That's all you, man. You don't love your wife, then? No, no, no. You can't love her if you don't eat ass. No, she... You gotta love every part of her. I feel like you eat ass in a day. I mean, well, I mean, you... You don't love your wife then. No, no, no. You can't love her if you don't eat ass. No, she-

You gotta love every part of her. I feel like you eat ass in a jay. I mean, well, I mean, you- From the rooter to the tooth. I mean, you just want it, but she not want it. You just gonna take it from her. That's what you wanna do now. Man, they had a song called Downtown.

Q-Deezy, you very disrespectful right now. I'm here interviewing- Q-Deezy, what's up, boy? Silk the Shocker and Jack Thriller's here too as well. Oh, what you say? I said you very disrespectful. I'm here interviewing Silk the Shocker and Jack Thriller's here as well well. Oh, what you say? I said you're very disrespectful. I'm here interviewing Silk the Shocker and Jack Thriller's here as well. Oh, I'm telling myself what's up, man.

All right, man. Word is fun, yo. What you doing? What you was calling me for? I'm trying to figure it out. Yo, I'm in Miami, nigga. Oh, okay. So pull up on me.

Yeah, it's awesome. I got a meeting at 4 o'clock. Man, fuck your meeting. Just come through. You got the job, nigga. Shit, come on. You got your meeting. Just come through. You got the job, nigga. Shit, come on. You got the job. Just come through.

All right, we here, we here, we here, we here. The fuck? You're here. I'm playing around. They know who he is. Yeah, I'm playing around. Yo, EFN, I'm concerned. Really?

What the hell, brother? That's Moonshine? I mean, that's what it says. I told Moonshine come white. This is what John said. Can I try? Can I try? Is there a pickle in it?

What's in it? It's a prune or some shitune or something is it a pickle? Yeah, so what's up with the jacket? Oh man, so you'll check this out man. This is Torrey designs You remember last time I came here and I blew your minds. That's not the same jacket. No, it's not the same jacket No, we was white last time This time we had to go black Michael Jackson bad bad it was a new season a while and that well now the fact give it up for that so we go this was a very special season a while now y'all know what happened to Nick and he got taken off the air for a minute he got the thing right with the white folks and

stuff and whatnot and Viacom put him back on he had hit me up out of the blue asked me did I want to be a part of the new season. Man, we towed that bitch down this past June. It airs this week. And I'm back on for the 17th season in New York in October. Yep, your shit is going my way. And I got a new job with Nick Cannon. I run his podcast division,

incredible podcast and whatnot. I got four different podcasts on there. One with myself, Tyron Turner, and whatnot. Y'all know him from Kane and Minister Society. And Eddie Winslow is called Escape Goat. We got another podcast with me, Music Soul Child, and Eddie Winslow, which is Darius McQuarrie.

And, um, I'm sorry, Carl Payne. Carl Payne. And it's a movie review. Then, I got my girl, Lili, The Powder Room, with her, Baby Hache, and Nikki Nicole. It's called The Powder Room.

It's ladies of a certain age talking about their cougar shit. You know what I'm saying? You know, menopause. You know, and what is it like? You know, being at that point in your life and enjoying yourself. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, and one more, one more podcast. You know, it's my girl kids. My girl kids, step friends, because her kids my age. You know what I'm saying? So they can't call me daddy, so they're my step friends and whatnot. And that's with Ka'Shine and Margaret Lyons.

Step friends. They're my step friends. Is Jackie making good enough money to buy a new watch? 100%. 100%. Let's check your watch out. Watch out. Listen, I'm still looking for a watch right now. 100% 100% let's check your watch out listen I'm still looking for a watch right now I'm still looking for

I just been shopping it's just they robbed you for the fake shit niggas had robbed me for the fake shit niggas had took that they don't understand it was just $3.50 I only spent $3.50 on this shit so I got like 10 more of them at the house so keep on trying and you're going to keep practicing Niggas say I took that, they don't understand, it was just 350. I only spent 350 on this shit, you know what I'm saying?

So I got like 10 more of them at the house, so keep on trying and you gonna keep practicing. You know, that's what it is. I'm keeping my 40 grand in my pocket. Niggas need that. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Gotta start hanging with this guy.

That shit hot. And I'm still a new manager too, man. You see, I got him here. You see, I got him here two days later. The police, two days later. Oh my God, y'all can see it. Two days later. Okay. I'm still new manager to me Okay, I'm a so any book is for simply shot Did still put you in a movie you in um, yes Yep, yep, yep, Michael Blackson was a Tracy was in it but Michael Blackson was in it. Oh, no, Tracy was in it, but Michael Blackson was in it. G-Thang was in it. Not Arnie S.J.,

but J. Lamont. J. Lamont. J. Lamont, dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. G-Thang. So he done put you on. Yeah, yeah, 2006. He put you on.

2006. And, man, listen. You wait, and you wait. The Miller family been fucking with me for a minute, man. Master P put me in Hood Stars of Comedy back in 2006

with Michael Blackson and Cat Williams and whatnot. They been showing love. Fuck with me for a minute man master people in who starts a comedy back in 2006 with Michael Blackson and Cat Williams and what not it been showing love been showing love dream come true Exceptions about the dynamic of our relationship people didn't know he don't like me Why would he bring me to this Secrets you gotta relax I got the hook up. When, because I'm Bowd,

obviously. Bowd about it is this hood classic, right? I read somewhere about Scarface, where Scarface did horrible in the theaters. Oh, yeah. But did crazy

on DVDs, direct-to-video. The Pacino Scarface, because there's a couple. Bowdy Bowdy was the quintessential of direct-to-consume. This was the first time we got a chance to see

that a person didn't have to go to Paramount, didn't have to go to Universal, Sony, all these big things. They could actually come and do it. Is that something you was too young to fathom, to understand what was going on? Not really, because I was there for the transition of going into putting ourself on screen.

So even some of the videos, you go back and look at the videos, we was going crazy with the videos. We was spending like half a million, a million dollars on the videos. It was look at the videos we was we was going crazy with the videos we were spending like half a million a million dollars on the videos it was it was crazy i want to say just be straight with me we we spent like a bag on that i think that's one with beyonce in a minute destiny child and so that was crazy and then um what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what

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That was on the album that- They in the video and they on the record? No, they was in the video. They was on the song. Yeah. Damn. Guys, we gotta make some noise for that. Let's put Beyonce on, bro.

Nope, I know what I'm saying. Beyonce on. No, actually that was one of the first songs that, I mean she had her own little buzz, but that was a good song. Her own little? Her own little, yeah. Beyonce dope. Come actually, that was one of the first songs that, I mean, she had her own little buzz, but that was a good song. Her own little? Her own little, yeah. Beyonce dope.

Come on, leave Beyonce out of this, bro. Beyonce's my neighbor in Texas, so we all good. We all family. We ain't gonna do no Beyonce slander. I'm gonna let you know. No, no, no, no, we not. We ain't. I'm not, that was a B-Hit.

I'll let you know right now. That's not what I was thinking about when I said what I said. Just making sure. Just making sure. Yeah, so back to how I got the hookup and whatnot, the only thing it was competing with was the R. Kelly tape at the time.

And whatnot, because it was, everybody had both VHS is at the same time Wait, I got the hookup all about about it. Well, I got the hookup no about about it about about about about it Oh, thanks. Was that at Same director. I was 14 at the time, too. It was regular porn for me. I was 14, so it was regular porn for me. Oh, good. All right, cool. We're going to do something called Quick Time with Slime, right? Now, in Quick Time with Slime, this is you either

answer one or the other, or if you don't, you take a shot. If you realize you're not really drinking like that, so he just takes two for you, OK? OK. You know. Good job, good he just takes two for you. Okay. All right. You know. Good job. Good job. You're built for this, Jack.

I'm going to start double. Good job. You look just like him. All right. What shot do you prefer? You prefer the Marijuana? I'm losing all these. No, we don't have Marijuana.

We got Moonshine. Let me try that Moonshine. You want to try that Moonshine? Yeah, we don't want to put the pickle in there. Come here. Leave. Leave. got Marijuana. We got moonshine. Let me try that moonshine. You want to try that moonshine? You wouldn't want to put the pickle in there. Come here, leave. Leave, we need you, brother. With the pickle. He wants the moonshine.

He like, he like the moonshine with the pickle in it. Yeah. It's not a pickle, bro. All right. It's a fucking proven solution. So if you say both, Jack takes the shot. Apricot. OK.

If you say one or the other, then, you know, it's just moving on. OK. Neither is a shot, too. If you say neither or both. Okay, okay. All right. So you ready?

Yep. Oh, that's beer. I'm about to say, yo, what are you doing? I thought that was moonshine. My bad. Nas or Jay-Z? Ooh, snap. Lee, don't give him the whole thing, bro. Damn.

Yeah, no, what the fuck, man? Treat me right, bro. You think you're tripping on every bottle girl shit, man? We playing. Sorry, sorry. You can take the man? Treat me right, bro. You can't trip on that bottle girl shit, man. We're friends. Sorry, sorry. You can take the shit from him, but not me. Mr. Lee,

don't put your nose in it. Damn. Don't put your nose in my shit. All right, hold on, hold on, hold on. Sorry. Okay, sorry. Hold on.

Damn. Jay-Z. Jay-Z, all right, cool. This is easy as well. Master P or Birdman? Master P, for sure. Of course. Soldier Slim or Big L?

Soldier Slim, for sure. Okay. DMX or Tupac? Get them to take a shot. Don't, remember, go both. Don't worry about it. It's not your liver. Oh, maybe it is. You take a half a shot. Remember, you can go both. Don't worry about it. It's not your liver.

Oh, maybe it is. You take a half a shot. Didn't y'all tour? Let's go both. Let's go both? Go both. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we did a little tour.

You sure you want to take a little shot, too? I'm good. I'm good. You're good? All right, cool. Double up, my boy. Double up, my boy. Okay, cool.

We're going to take two of these, or this will count as one? That counts as two. That counts as one. That counts as one. Or two and one half. We just take one, though, right? Yeah, take one gulp, and then you save a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah. That's like two. That count as one. That count as one. Or two and one half. We just take one though, right? Yeah, take one gulp and then you save a little.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. That's like two shots, yeah. It's good, man. No worries. Oh, yeah, I'm in. It's an easy drink. I was going to go drink in the night, but anyway.

OK. Where's my bottle? This is easy too, man. OK. These guys, I got to start proofreading these things before I do this. Me and X are Gangsta Boo? Mia X.

Of course. That's family. Pup Daddy or Dre? Dr. Dre, obviously. Dr. Dre? Dr. Dre. Okay. 90s or 2000 hip hop?

2000 hip hop. Go 90s. Okay. The Lox or Migos? I like Migos too. I like Migos. I like Migos. I like Migos.

I like Migos. I like Migos. I like Migos. I like Migos. I like Migos. I like Migos.ox or Migos? I like Migos too. Woo. Both, I'm going both. I'm going both. Okay, yeah. Take the shot.

Cheers. Woo! Good man. Oh, y'all take the shot too? Yeah, we going to fuck with it. Oh, I'm kidding it I'm about to go Okay We don't mind

We don't mind Okay It's our job Okay Indie or major? Feels like y'all been indie the whole time Yeah indie But major has some

If you do it the right way Majors could be good too But indie I go indie Cardi B or Nicki Minaj? Let's go both. Load up, Jack.

Bottle boy. Yo, he drinking. He not even taking sips no more. He not even taking sips. Just bring his cup. I'll fill it up. Come on, bro. What's wrong with you?

How's the moonshine thing? It's good. It's really delicious. It's like a party in my mouth and everyone's invited. Relax. When did you hear that? Did you just say it's a party your mouth and everyone's invited a girlfriend Like like a like an Instagram picture you need to see me officially

Man it is what it is. I'm not sure Yeah, come on. It is what it is. You take this out. I don't see you. Oh shit. I'm sorry, okay Yeah, okay Little Kimba foxy brown Let's go both let's go jack, Jack. He said he went both. Vamos, Chico. Oh, shit, I forgot. Take it down.

That's a lot of shot. Y'all don't do that with champagne. That's why champagne is a drinker and shot is a shotter. Everybody ready? You gotta get pictures of this man. about you ready you do like burn aluminum for you though I'm trying to be able to try to be, I want you to be truthful on this now. Let's go, let's go.

$5,000 jacket right here, man. Let's go. Okay. Okay. Rough riders or cash money? I want you to be truthful now. No political, no political. Damn.

Are we going just cash money or we got everybody under cash money? Yes, the labels. The labels. Whatever you want. However you want to see it. I'm going to go both. Okay. Let's go both.

Let's go both, God damn it. All right. Manny Fresh or KLC? Let's take our shot first. Take our shot first. God damn it. Come on fast. Yo, give him this now.

Yeah, this is what. Now I want to drink the same shit. You got to take a shot. You got to try all the products. You're the product taster. But at least I'm just giving him the bottle. Yeah, what the fuck is that, man? Let me use you like these other niggas were using you.

You don't do this on the other episodes. You know, you didn't do this with Scarface. You didn't do this with Trick Trick. You don't do this on that other episode. You know, you didn't do this with Scarface. You didn't do this with Trick Trick. You didn't do this with Jada Kess. None of them niggas, man. Just because you didn't bro up on my watch. Go light on them. Go light on them.

The hoes got real watches. And you don't talk back to them niggas either. You scared of them niggas, you ain't scared of me? That's some bullshit. They got real watches, what can I say? That's some bullshit. You a real watcher, what can I say? That's some, that's some, you a groupie, bro. This motherfucker a groupie, man. Come on, you took your shot?

You took your shot? Yes, I got to do it. Go ahead. Did we take it? I don't know if I took it. That's hilarious. All right, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay.

You're starting to get to it. Manny Fresh or KLC? Manny dope. KLC. KLC Manny dope KLC KLC That was dope Damn that shit Y'all gotta have a proof read these shits Bow Wow Little Romeo

That's too easy man Shout out to Bow Wow Little Romeo Of course That's definitely Mr. Lee Group ass shit right here man Okay Respect or loyalty Yeah, this is definitely Mr. Lee. This is group-ass shit right here, man. Okay. Respect or loyalty?

It's both. Both for sure. That's a both for sure. How'd you answer that for him? Because I wanted to take a shot. And it's true, though. It's true. It's true.

It's definitely true. It's definitely true, though. You need both of them. I think if there's loyalty, there's respect. That's good. That's good. Okay. Shout out to you. If I think if there's loyalty, there's respect, I don't know. That's good. That's good. Okay. Shout out to you.

If you can get both of them in the shot. You didn't take your shot. You took your shot already? The bottle boy won't fuck with me. Hey, you wanted some of this? You want some of this? Can you see? You said you could see now.

I can't see. You want some of this? He said Mr. Lee's his left eye now. I'm not sure you can see, John. Let me tell you something. Hey, man, hold on. Let me get some champagne. Let me get some real shit. I'm not sure you can see. I'm not sure you can see. You want some of this? He said Mr. Lee's his left eye now. Oh.

I'm not sure you can see, Jeremy. Let me take some of that. Hey, man, hold on. Let me get some champagne. Let me get some real shit. I brought my own glass and everything, man. What the fuck, man? Can I get some champagne?

Champagne is for drink. This is for shot time right now. Oh, man. But we don't get to that, though, right? Yeah, I'll give you some Ace of Spades. Pass me your mug. Man, if you don't mind, that's when I wanted the Jay-Z shit. I'll give you that.

I'll give you the Jay-Z shit. Ace, man, relax, man. That nigga giving me Ace of Uno. You had it on the Jay-Z shit. I'll give you that Jay-Z shit, man. Ace, man, relax, man. That nigga giving me Ace of Uno. You had it on the order B last time. You better just order, take this. This is what I got. You better just order. He gave me a shot of champagne again.

No, you can't take shots of champagne. All right, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. All right. LA or Miami? Ooh. I'mA. or Miami? I'm starting to like Miami a lot. Oh, yeah?

Now you are? Okay. Let's go both. Let's go both. Both? Okay, all right. Cool. Both. He went both.

Salud. No, not with champagne. You can't take a shot of champagne. You are taking shots with Mr. Get your bottom, boy. Don't you dare disrespect him and take a fucking shot of champagne. You don't disrespect me like that, boy.

Yeah, come on. You are a pinch hitter. You are a pinch drinker. You know how they put in a pinch hitter in baseball? You represent. There you go. Salute, motherfucker. Salute, motherfucker.

Cheers. You're going to see after this one. All right. Ooh. Oh, he's trying to get to me. Yeah, he's going to be able to see after this one. All right. Ooh. Oh, he's trying to get to me. Now he's going to be able to see after this one. Yeah. All right.

Um. I'm going to change this up. OK, Shane, let's go. Let's go. Silk to Chaco or Juvenile? Oh, shit. Is that a? That's a trick.

It was really mystical anyway against Juvenile. It ain't my fault, man. Silk to shock for sure. But let me ask you something. When I did say that earlier, I just wanted to prove that you do have a little bit of cockiness in you. Who's going to win with Silk to Shock and Juvenile in this versus? Like, who would win? I need to hear you say it. I'm going to win for sure. I'm going to win for sure.

I'm going to win. You're busting his ass. You're going to bust his ass. You're going to push that nigga off stage. That's what the fuck you're going to do. Shout out to Juvie, man. Come on now, you're no limit soldier. I would like something like that

where we would go at each other, but there would be mutual respect. Who would win a fight out of would write in the day. Yeah, but who would think we in a fight? Okay, I'm a black belt don't show So I'm gonna keep going then we gonna have it as a mystical or Missy Missy or Missy. Yeah That's an interesting fair. No, I'm just respect to collect it. No, he I think he's an animation like they I'm gonna go mystical. Okay, but no, mystical. Okay. I'm going both for nose.

Don't be political. If you're going on mystical, let's take it for mystical. Missy is dope. Kanye or Pharrell? I got to go both for nose. Both? Jack, you got to take a shot, Jack. My motor skills.

You got to take a shot, Jack. My motor skills. You got to take a shot, Jack. Losing control of my shit. It's the drink champs for real. There you go, Jack. The more you drink, the more I can't see you see me. Are you sure you can see? The more he drinks, what? He keep going like this.

This shit getting fucked up. He told me, he said, last time I did drink, Chance, I was blind. I was. I said, really? I've been blind for, like, the last two years. I got my sight back on the 22nd of June, man. Y'all give it up. Give it up for my guy.

No, we don't know. I'm blind, man. I wasn't blind. My eye was on the sparrow. And he had, like, a half a Mr. Butler dude with him last time. And now he got another Mr. Butler dude. No, that's him. He just cut his hair. Yeah, OK. Butler do with him last time and now he got a mr. But no, that's how he does cut his hair. Okay, say He got a job he got a job you pay us

You know I could relax and that's where the fun yo Word of my New York niggas. Come on. He was a New York nigga for 10 years. You better not Know that you're right here. Yeah, you see right dirty South now. No, no, no. You see it right here. You see it right there. Dirty South, baby. Y'all playing C-Lo too, man. Dirty South movie. You know what I'm saying? Miniseries.

I heard that. Netflix. Let me get to that. Yeah, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. It's about Silk. Swift. Go ahead.

Take a shot. Take a shot. Take a shot. Take a shot. Take a shot. I don't know. I don't know. Swiss.

Swiss beats or Timberland? Oh, man. K-Swiss, Timberland. K-Swiss. Hmm. I gotta go both on it. Sorry, I'm sorry, I gotta take a shot. Let's go.

Sorry, Jack. I have a little left. Jack, pull yourself up. Pull up! Me and Norah got a song called Pull Up 2. Yes we do. We got a song called Pull Up. Pull your ass up right now.

Yeah, I need you to come back here. And when Norah get back in the studio, we gonna get something. Yeah, I need to share it with you. I'm gonna get it. You back in the studio? Do you need this direct number? I'm gonna get that.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. Me and Norah gonna set this back up. Let's go, let's go. Together, we gonna set this back up. Yeah, I don't want no smoke. I don't want no smoke. Come on, come on. I don't want to smoke. Come on, come on.

I don't want to smoke. Salou, come on. Yeah, I got a project dropping too soon. Reckless Eyeballs is coming out soon. Reckless Eyeballs. Four Eyes and Lime of Beans. All right, cool. You're blind, baby.

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pull yourself a shot and then pass me the bottle You can't see! Let me get out. Fuck no. Fuck the niggas in the comments. He not punking me out. You can't see how you can fight. I'm doing what I want to do. I'm doing it because I want to do it. All right, come on, Paul. I'm doing it because niggas be thinking you be punking me out, man. You ain't even punking me in front of my lady, man. Your lady's here?

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That's my new lady. That's dope. Lili. Hey, Lili. Hey, Lili. Hey, Lili. Hey, L shit. She love the show. That's your homegirl. Hey, Lily. Come on, Paul. That's my new lady. That's dope.

I deserve it. Don't I deserve it? You deserve it. Everything I did for hip-hop? You deserve it. Everything I did for hip-hop? And pizza. Come on, now.

I deserve shit like that. Oh, God. I'm a pizza nigga now. Okay, Lil Wayne to drink. Damn. Jeez. You already got to take the shot first, Jack. Jack, Jack, Jack. I'm sorry. It's nowhere around this one.

Take that one. I'm sorry about this one, boy. Take that one first. I got to go both on those. Oh, that's another shot. All right, cool. Let's do it. Basta, that's a pull up and then pass the bottle. Pull up and then pass the bottle. Hell, I'm a lonely gang me

Shut out organic food King organic food King I'll get a food kid food sponsor Jack Taylor was busting down one of the burgers said his party in his mouth again Yeah, it was never girls that never my whole bunch of my girl You'd like it was a whole bunch of lilies there in the parties of my girls. There was a whole bunch of Lili's there. You like parties in your mind. No, no, no, with girls in it. With girls in the party. With girls in the party. Young M.A., Da Brat, all the girls. Go ahead, go ahead.

I don't know, I'm slight-edged on Drake, but Wayne is so dope, but let's go Drake. Okay, so Drake. So you seen Drake? So why? Come on, I'm gonna take the shot with you. He picked. Steal Drake. So you seen Drake? So why haven't you seen Drake, whatever? Come on, I'm going to take a shot with you. I'm going to take a shot with you. He picked.

Steal Drake. I'll go with him. Oh. Yeah, he took a shot. He took a shot. No, I got to take mine. Oh, you already take yours. So why haven't you, like, really worked with, like,

a lot of cash money artists? Because I wouldn't let it. Not you. Because my manager said so. But go ahead, now. What'd you say? Because I wouldn't let them, man. You know, we got to keep it.

We got to stay on brand, bro. At all times. Oh, don't do that now. We got to keep this I wouldn't let him man. You know, we got to keep we got to stay on brand, bro Keep this no limit versus those money For tiger, huh? We got an answer for all wow all that shit. There's no limit all day till we die What's kind of cash money a little bit? Yeah, that's true. I don't remember. I don't remember. He was on. He was, he was. When my rap snake's coming out?

Rap snake? I don't know about that one. But no, I would say, you know what? I got some. I wanted to have a rap snake. We close. We close.

We was close to it a couple times. I mean, like, you know, mutual people know each other. I think it's just mutual respect. You know, people think that

we have a problem with them. Who would you work with with Cash Money? Is it the whole roster? Yeah, whatever. Whatever, like... Jack. I mean,

Wayne is... I just think Wayne is super dope. That'd be good. Juvia is good. I mean, most of them good. I would definitely say a Nicki Minaj or Drake or something for sure. I mean most of them good I would definitely say Nicki Minaj Or Drake or something for sure

I mean I met Drake before And it was We could have probably But I kind of gave him Just a mutual respect Type of thing It wasn't about music

When I met him So it was kind of like Just Drake Yeah Just kind of shot him So let me just ask you Just like spitball him

Because I'm trying to Gas this between you And Juvie right Yeah So when Juvie plays Back that ass up What do you You don't back that ass up Oh I got one Just like spitballing because I'm trying to guess this between you and Juby, right? Yeah Juby plays back that ass up. What do you? You know, I got one. I got back that ass up. No, I got one for you. I got one jack What you got Jackets, you know, it's it's an underground one, but most people know you know, let me hit it

Let me hit it. Let me Hit It. Let Me Hit It, Let Me Hit It. That's it. I'll go to every time. That's what we want to do. Let Me Hit It is dope, but he's playing, okay, girl. If you don't mind, consensually, let us hit it. I said Let Me Hit It probably dope. That's probably dope. Yeah.

Okay. You got to hear it, though. Okay, okay, okay. We know about Let Me Hit It. Let Me Hit It. Let Me Hit It. Let Me Hit It. You already hit it already. You hit it. Come on, huh? You got it already, bro, okay. We know about it. Let me hit it. Let me hit it. Let me hit it. Let me hit it. You already hit it already.

Come on. You got it already, bro. Look. You better stop playing with me. You done with Quick Time? Yeah, we done with Quick Time. So I want to go back to when y'all toured with Pac, right? Yep, yep.

Any crazy stories? Any stories of dealing with Pac back then? I think. Was that the first tour that you went? No, he was on a smaller tour. I think PNC was the main ones on that tour. I think I may have, because I seen Pac and met him a time or two. Tell them the up-and-coming story about the Pac, where you was like,

hey, nigga, you want to take your shit to another level if you get your dicks up in the club. Come on, Jack. I don't think I ever remembered that story. You told me that story. I don't remember that story. I don't remember that story. I don't remember that story at all. What story do you remember? He told Pop.

You don't remember telling Pop? I have just one Pop story. It was a funny story. I think it was an E-40 video or something like that. I think at that time, Underground was really big in the Bay Area. There was an e40 video or something like that and I think Because at that time I was like Loki

Underground was really big in a Bay Area like I was like I think my first song I did it just blew up out of nowhere He was an underground rapper Underground, he was Underground. So what he did was, I mean, I was young. I was hecka young then, but the buzz had kind of got out of, like, this new rap or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And E-40 was the first person, like, really on top of it. Like, it was took a shock, you know what I'm saying? But E-40 and Tupac and everybody was good friends. So I think...

They stole his shit. They stole his shit. They stole his shit. They stole my nigga's shit. Nothing like that. You have given Miss Rose's. Give Miss Rose's. So he was at a E-40 video and Puck was actually there.

And I was looking like, I was younger too. I was looking like, Puck keep looking at me. I'm like, man, this is crazy. But I'm not really knowing. What level of Pac is this? Where is he at?

This one, he was... Brandon's got a baby, Pac? I think so, but I wasn't, I ain't know that type of thing, but I was like, I was still young in the streets and stuff like that. You already knew who he was.

It wasn't like... I knew of him, but I didn't know the impact he had at that time. What's the level of looking at you he was doing? He was looking at me, but I was more looking like,

at that time, You want big nigga, you can get it. Well, not saying that, but I was more looking at like, at that time, anybody looking at me could get it.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I was fresh out, whatever. Fresh out of jail. Fresh out, whatever. I was fresh out, whatever. I was with whatever at that time. And it's white tea. And so,

what happened was, but they had, I think they was just thought they was listening to music together they was like until Pac was listening to it and was you know like I when I first time I first met Drake I was like it was it was first on their own but I was good at knowing music I'm like oh this is gonna be good one day right I mean he's probably just blowing up but I didn't know it but I listen to music I'm like whatever the first the first album he

came out was that the mixtape, Joe? All Eyes on Me? No, I'm talking about Drake. It was a mixtape. Yeah, the mixtape. So when I heard it, we was jamming this back and forth. Everybody in the car just jamming and jamming. So when I met him, I was like, he ain't made it there yet,

but when I met him, he was, to me, it was like he was going to blow. Same thing, I'm not saying I know the talent, but little baby. I was just like, first record, second record, I was like he was going to blow. I'm not saying I know the talent, but little baby. I was just like first record, second record, I was like this dude going to be good if he keep his ethics up. I guess with Pac was the same thing. He was just jamming and listening,

saying, okay, this dude got talent. Then I walk on the set of the video, but he's looking at me like you don't have beef with me, but you be like that's so shocking. You stole all my records. Mr. have beef with me, but you be like, that's Silk Shock who stole all my records and I'm like, but Mr. Shrek is mutual, but you be like, Silk, you know. But at the same, and that's what he was just looking at me,

kept looking down, looking up, and I'm like, yo. But then I found out later that he was just like, I just listened to your music. You liked your outfit. That too, probably not, but the outfit was horrible. So Park was listening to your music and that's why he was looking at you. Yeah just it was just i did i was just kind of not thinking about it at that time like nobody should be looking at me you know what i'm saying that's how i felt but

out of out of mutual respect part of it it was really dope um but it was more of a like a i didn't know how to look at that but it was really him just you know kind of saluting i was young i was definitely young but it was dope it was like and at that, but it was really him just, you know, kind of saluting each other. You were young. I was young. I was definitely young, but it was dope. It was like, and then we met and it was super dope

and I was just like, oh, that's crazy. You actually got to meet Tupac. Like, he handshake all that? We did. I did meet him later though. A lot later. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, for sure. I never got to meet Tupac. But I know, it's funny though, I met some people and it was kind of crazy where just looking back at it, because even like Beyoncé,

just watching that growth, we was like literally neighbors. Actually, the song, they came by the house and recorded it. Beyoncé came to your house? Not like that, man. Stop it.

No, no, I didn't mean like that either. Yeah, we recorded the song the first, just straight with me at the house. Disrespect me at the house? No, the just be straight with me song. Oh, just respect me. Okay, got it. Yeah, we recorded this song the first, just straight with me at the house. Disrespect me at the house? No, the just be straight with me song. Oh, just respect me.

Okay, got it. Yeah. Nah, we was all like, we was all, everybody know each other, so we was good, yeah. Indeed, indeed. Hey man,

but skipping over that Tupac thing though, what you was just saying. You don't skip over Tupac. No, no, no, no, not skipping over that. I was just, Skipping back to it you're saying? Yeah, coming back to the Tupac,

Tupac thing and whatnot. Like, did you know that this guy was going to be as big as his... I feel like that's what he was saying. Like, he felt like... I think, yeah, so in the Bay, it's a little different. They kind of cater to their own. And then I felt like... And that's Tupac from the Bay,

because he was originally coming out with Digital Underground. And then when y'all was in Richmond, Richmond is in the Bay, right? Yep, Richmond in the Bay, yeah, for sure. But it's just like, once again, when you see it, because even when you go back and look at Digital Underground, he stood out, though. Yeah. He stood out like, oh, man, it's this guy. And same thing with me. My first record, I stood out so much.

When you go back and listen to it, I think it was, um i gotta see what the song was but it i was just raw and i and everybody knew it and so we do fast forward it you tell yourself like oh it's consistent of probably being more before my time and and i i never really wrote songs though so i just kind of freestyle everything i rarely wrote if i wrote something i just wrote like one word one word like cat hat sack whatever like that and everything else i put in myself hey would that to freestyle everything. I rarely wrote. If I wrote something, I just wrote one word, one word, one word. Cat, hat, sack, whatever like that. Everything else I put in myself. I got my real Tupac question.

Now, the way Tupac went over to the West Coast and got the recognition that he deserved, right? You was inside the N.O. Also, Norrie from the N.O., E.E.F.N. You originally from here, right? I'm originally born in L.A. but raised in Miami.

So you go to this foreign land, this foreign land, and you get more respect than you did at home. But remember, look what we're saying. We're talking about because Pop made his chops in the Bay Area. Right. On the West. Right. He's really bi-coastal in reality.

Absolutely. No question. But people from New York, they constantly say, Tupac, he turned his back on New York and whatnot. Fuck Tupac. It's biggie all the way. But if you ain't getting

it at home and you go abroad, what's wrong with that? And Nori, you had plenty of conversations where you get booked inside of your early career In different spots You even talked about The Puerto Rican era

Of NO Of the Spanish area The Spanish There's a whole Spanish area Of New Orleans I didn't even know that Of New Orleans The average motherfucker

Don't even know that I used to go to New Orleans So much because People just think that It's just Creole And French and all that Some of the motherfuckers Is Latinos

And I used to get booked so much. That's how I discovered all of that music. It was going there. And first off, they got the greatest cuisine in the world. You know what I'm saying? But there's a ghetto everywhere in the world.

And that shit is like... When you into that, that shit is just the illest shit In the world But um Is there anything wrong With going to where it's at Where you

You're celebrated Like you do on drink shows Yeah you go where you celebrate Not where you tolerate But I think Jack I think you're confusing it Because Pac He came

His music career Started on the west coast It started My only thing with Pac His music started on the west coast Yeah in the bay He was a young kid Dancing for Digital Underground

in the Bay. My only thing with Polly, when he went to the West Coast, he was already almost a grown man. I'm talking about when he went back, back. Right.

You know what I'm saying? It really was East Coast that raised him. You know what I'm saying? New York and Baltimore. Ain't nothing wrong with going where you celebrate. Ain't nothing wrong

with going where you celebrate and don't go where you tolerate. That's how I was born. I just think he's from all those areas, man. I think he did so much in so many places that I don't think he felt like he was from one place or the other. No, that's why I can't... Can we fault him for that? No, you can fault him at the end for it. Why?

When he was just repping the West Coast and California love and all that. They got him out of jail. Okay. Help me, help me. Four million dollars, got him out of jail. Okay. Help me. Help me. Four million dollars. Got him out.

I mean, none of us can get his brain to psychologically evaluate him, you know? I'm going to help you understand. This is a record where Tupac has this shit. There ain't nothing like the old school. Yeah. What more can I say? I wouldn't be here today

if the old school didn't pave the way. On that record, the shit that Tupac said, you cannot make this record if you ain'tupac said, you cannot make this record if you ain't from New York. You cannot make this record if you're not from the East Coast. The Skelly,

the Double Dutch, the Ice Cream Man, the Wu-Tang Clan, all this shit that he named, you cannot make this record. I don't give a fuck. You've been living in New York for 10 years.

You can't make this record. I don't give a fuck how long you lived there that means Pop was born and raised his roots was there this what makes him an ill motherfucker you also can't make California love

without the same sentiments you have to be from California when he talking about it wouldn't be LA without Mexicans and all this crazy shit you gotta really be from California. When he talk about the, it wouldn't be LA without Mexicans and all this crazy shit. You got to really be from California to make both of those records.

So I would agree to disagree, to agree to disagree on this level and say he was a chameleon. Can he be an artist? Can my man be an artist? No, artist is contradictory. That's just one part of it. A chameleon is somewhere

he just can blend into anywhere he is. I'll take that. You understand what I'm saying? Or he had roots in these places, man. I could go with that. It's like I just said,

I'm born in L.A., raised in Miami. I feel both places, you know? Right, right. And I would go with Nori and you as well, saying I think that it was good for everybody

that he was a chameleon. Yeah, he was. And I think it was good, like you said, a chameleon. Yeah, he was. And I think it was good, like you said, being able to be. Identify with both. Both, right? Because we just got to accept and appreciate what it is and say, we glad he was born up East Coast, wherever he's on the East Coast for a while. Yep.

Glad he's on West Coast. Because you got to think about us, too. We got love for both of them. Both of them made us. And both of them could appreciate us. And I think with Pac, he should be celebrated, appreciated. Like, guess what, even from the South, if he ever visited the South,

he left an imprint on the South, you know what I'm saying? And I guess, he shot the police in Atlanta. I swear to God, I'm about to say the same thing. The South wouldn't be the South without Pac. He went with Leftyre. Leftyre was his girlfriend. He did? Yes.

He did it all in 26 years. In 26 years. So, with that being said, if you don't attach Biggie to Tupac, does Biggie still have

the same allure? Why are you going to go somewhere else? You're going somewhere else. You're going somewhere else. You ain't going to do that. You ain't going to do that. And really quick,

I want to say, I think we underestimate the idea that we, we're all older now. You're going somewhere else with it. You ain't got to do that. You ain't got to do that. And really quick, I want to say, I think we underestimate the idea that we're all older now. Yeah. But everything that Pac went through, he was a young man. Yeah. Like, we trying to put, like, an older mentality on this young kid that was doing all this stuff. Like, come on. But young kids don't do that these days.

Young kids don't do this these days. And they don't do it 10 years ago. No, no, he was doing a lot of mature shit. Yeah. But still being an immature person because of his age. They don't do it 20 years ago. He's doing a lot of mature shit, but still being an immature person because of his age. They don't do it 20 years ago, though, just on that level. I would say, and I'm glad we're having a conversation because you just nailed it.

You, and I tell people because a lot of young people listen to me sometimes, a lot of old people listen to me sometimes, they don't want to, but they... We listen to you. No, no, but what I'm saying is... We listen to you, sir. Come on, we all listen to you. Come on, we all listen to you. We all listen to you. What I'm saying is... We listen to you, sir. Come on, we all listen to you. I'm not talking about this guy. And he also is irrelevant, man.

What I'm saying is, Norris, is that I was like a multimillionaire like very young, right? So, you know, so... Fuck that shit. But what I'm saying is it kind of... How you matured that.

So you got these young dudes. I feel bad for them. They good people, right? They good dudes. But what... I mean, they got people 15 getting juvenile, like life, like they do something right, boom, they out of here.

And we know 15, Lord, you was messing, you was a fool, we all was a fool, we don't know nothing, right? And so I feel bad, and like he's saying a valid point, to be Pac was to be like very immature and take on very mature things

that was happening around him. At a level that he was at that was unseen in hip hop at that point. What I'm asking is, how can you... How are you fucking this up? I'm sorry. No, but this is valuable.

This is valuable because I want to say this because they have a lot of Pacs out there and they're rebels with or without the cause, right? So it can't be streets. It can't be this. It got to be a value.

But Pac was literally fighting for the values of... He kind of figured something was going to happen to him, but he's fighting for the values of the next Noriega. You know what I'm saying? The next Silk, the next...

Like, because you got to think, nobody's giving us them deals. Nobody's helping us out of the streets. If you somebody from the streets, where if you got to think, nobody's giving us them deals. Nobody's helping us out on the streets. If you somebody from the streets, where if you got lucky, you didn't get gunned down. You didn't get life in prison, like, you know, like whatever. So what you're saying is more of how can we appreciate somebody having that much on their shoulder? When 21 was around, he was already already wealthy trying to figure out jail

he got these rape cases all these cases I don't know true or false but that's a lot for somebody who is that big of an influence to all of us and I know because I was young and people was depending on me

but I didn't know any better I'm just throwing money I'm buying cars the same color I'm just buying houses I'm just doing stuff but normally buying cars the same color. I'm just buying houses like I'm just doing stuff But I normally saying color like yeah, like oh yeah, I bought two Ferraris the same color making model Right for just no reason just like But no I'm saying you could do it

if you know, if you, like, okay, here's the thing about me. This thing about me, how I was doing. So you say I'm humble. I think I got a good heart. I think I want to help people. I know you got a good heart. Appreciate that. Let me see your heart. There you go.

But what I would do, Norrie, the catch in you, I'm glad you brought this up once again. The amount of pressure on somebody who's of my age to try to figure it out. So when I wake up in the morning, I got five people at my door, and we're going to the mall. We went to the mall 10 days in a row. That's when you all lived in a country club? Yep, and that's what everybody got.

Chains, Rolexes, bracelets, right? They knew to come to my house, and when I go to the mall, I'm just getting everybody this. Oh, you want a car? Ask my friend, XL, whatever. It's like I would leave cars at the airport for like seven months or whatever.

But it's not about that. What it's about is my ability to realize I have everything or I'm thinking I know everything and don't know nothing. But watch this here. Your friendships are not your friendships

because it's based on money. The girls could be your girls, but based on money. Of course, I'm a likable guy and my friends really want to hang out with me, but they also do want to hang out and get an extra bag, right? And what about Pac being somebody

who is the only person in his circle that's getting a bag, but having the responsibility of changing people's lives and they're not technically in the same mind state as him? Because he's literally taking the beating for all of us at that time. I remember clear as day. And I'm like, damn, Pac, you're just taking these. But I learned from it, though. And I know that feeling because I'm telling you, it was a nonstop thing.

People know me. No, I don't care about materialistic, no money. I really care about doing it. But at the time, I don't think people cared. I think that it was, they liked me. But also, I'm getting up to wake up to say, when Silk hit the mall, I'm getting something too. So how do you balance the two? And Pac saying to himself, I'm Pac, I'm fighting for y'all,

but are y'all fighting for me as well? And I think the crazy part is that now in retrospect, we look at clips, you know, they put out clips of Pac that show a hypocrisy in him, to show like he wasn't... That's why when he said artists, I'm sorry, I'm going to give it to him. That's why he said artist.

I said artist is contradictory. We're all contradictory. Yeah, yeah. But I think even more so, like the great things he was doing was so great that to show these clips now of him being his age

is not fair, you know, because we're all looking at it in this different scope where he's not here today to see what he would have evolved in. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And with that being said,

right there, like, I've seen reputable people, people that are relevant, say that, you know, Pop was a fake gangster and da-da-da-da-da and all this old dumb shit.

And there's things that Pops was doing that regular gangsters would never fucking do. He shot the fucking police. He shot the police. Well, he didn't know there was the police

in retrospect, but he did. But he stood up. up he saw somebody he saw somebody get fucked up and defended somebody and how many of us would do that that's fine hey hey once again and even uh even on the west coast he's inside some gangster shit he didn't have to kick the boy when they're on the my type of fight he didn't have to do that there's plenty of niggas to kick the boy he did that shit it's gangsters to be acting like they're in the fight that ain't have to do that. There's plenty of niggas to kick the boy. He did that shit. It's gangsters acting like they're in the fight that ain't in the fight,

that when they got caught on camera running around and shit, just, you know, faking the phone. He didn't do that. He was a big megastar at the time. How can you fake being Tupac in 26 years and this motherfucker's ain't did none of that real shit and he was born into it?

It wasn't about publicity it wasn't about some media bliss none of that shit it was organic it was a he was so passionate how the fuck can you say Tupac is fake hmm how everything he did was from his heart and he was alone. Like even my old lady, she told me this story where she was in the building, inside Quad Studio, and he got shot. The SWB was there. They were there. And you know, when he comes down and he sees his boys that invited him him there invited him there and whatnot but then you don't say nothing about you know who's what it got something to do with what and then he goes on somewhere else and whatnot and then come on new york know everything and if you really my friend if you remember tell me not true tell me not new york niggas tell me it's not true why yeah

big had nothing to do i ain't say you got nothing to do but tell me It's not true Why Yeah Tell me why Big had nothing to do I ain't say he got nothing to do But tell me That's what you're saying Tell me You know what I'm saying Tell me

It's nothing to tell After this happens But this really I don't think it's fair For us to speculate Yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't I mean I respect that opinion

But I wouldn't I wouldn't debate any of that I would just celebrate it Well Cause I don't know it I'm not I can't I can't determine what the story is like. I don't want to hear what people say about it.

I stay neutral in it. But I just respect the art form of a Biggie or a Pac. I wouldn't really want to divulge into anything like that. But I would just tell you that I don't think I've really met Biggie. I met Big. I never met Pac. Yeah. Me and you, the honors.

You're biased. Yeah, I'm biased. No, I'm not biased at all. You're biased, New York nigga. No, I'm... That's even better than I'm a New York dude. I'm fucking your shit up right now. No, not at all.

I'm a long range. I ain't in nobody gang. None of that shit. I ain't in no gang neither. I'm neutral in the motherfucker. You're neutral in the motherfucker. But the question is, if you come to Atlanta and something happens to you

and I'm your boy and whatnot, you trust that I know somebody that knows somebody that knows what happened, right? No, I know you're not a street nigga, so I'm not trusting you. Oh, what?

You know what, nigga? I got on a gun holster right now. I'm packing. With no gun. With no gun, bro. With no gun. I don't want to have it. Why do you have a gun holster?

I don't want to have it today because I need to put my charger in here, and my gun, and all that other shit. But I'm saying, I'm saying. Phone holster. Nah, you out of line. You're saying the shit that I'm saying. Out of line.

Nah, you out of line. I don't think you should bring up the question. I wouldn't look at what you're doing. But I see what you're doing. I get it. I see you looking. What you looking at? No, no, you out of line.

Me, personally, wherever I am. This is what you old niggas be doing, B. And this word is fun, yo. It's not funny. We just turned up the guard yesterday. Why don't you edit this out? Yeah, yeah, we don't mind. Don't you edit it.

We don't mind. We good. We very secure over here. Who you talking to? Who are you talking to? The camera, the camera. I'm talking to Johnny. Sonny D, B, T.

I'm talking to Johnny. Don't even look at the camera. But you're looking at Sonny D. Sonny D's like, I got you. I'm going to Johnny Public. Sonny D, B, T? I'm talking to Johnny Public. You're not even looking at the camera, but you're looking at Sonny D. Sonny D's like, I got you. I'm going to edit it like this. Nah, um, yeah. No, it'll be out. It'll be out.

Nah, we good. Nah, we good. I got too much of nothing. Nah, we good. Nah, we good. I'm going to go back to New York. I ain't going to go wild now. I told you.

I got longer. I'm a comedian. I'm a comedian. I don't want none of that shit. Hey, Puffy, I was just bullshitting. You know what I'm saying? Hey, it's a rock, baby. But you got to worry about his 50 cents seeing you drinking that Rick Ross shit right now.

No, no, no, no. That's what you got to worry about. Hey, edit that shit out, man.

We keep it all edited out. Hey, you said right with it like it's yours. I was thirsty. He would have did it too. Hey, I think I'm big bitch.

Come on, man. I'm a cat drinker. I'm thirsty. I was thirsty. He would have did it too. Hey, I think I'm Big Meech. Come on, man. Come on, Cal drink this. I'm thirsty. I was thirsty. You know you want to go to Rick Ross' house too. No, I don't. I was there when it was Holyfield House. I've been there before.

I don't need no more. That's a little guy. You said you went to it. It's Holyfield. Got a little bit more swag. It's a big difference. It's Ross. You know you want to go to Ross' house. I was going to go.

I knew he was a part of it. I was like, yo, they was having a good time with the bitches. But I got a girl now, so I don't be fucking around like that. With Ross, yeah. It's a lot different from Hortifan, but shout out to Ross, though. They invited me, too. They invited you? They invited me, but I was like, yeah.

It was this past week, right? I had the disguise on. I was dressed like an old man. I did. We all blue. I ain't have it. Damn. Shout out to Ross, though. Shout out to Ross.

Shout out to our home team. Shout out to what y'all talking about. But like, yeah, but it's... So let's get now to a serious note. Like I said, I did meet Steve Murda.

He actually did invite me to the apartment. Oh, the hood apartment. And I thought he was playing around. Like, he was like... the apartment and I thought he was playing around like he was like totally serious I thought he was playing around until he actually

got locked up and then they showed me the footage I was like oh shit I was really gonna go there yeah yeah yeah like and you know

uh you know going to the hood is nothing right going to the hood is nothing we can go to any project we want to right but when you go to the hood with another famous dude that really is set up in the hood. Yeah, that's like Was that a problem for you and P because um like I mean this one thing to be attached to the hood

Living in the hood is something totally Man, why do you do after you he has a mansion. Like, he clearly has a, he clearly was on MTV Cribs, on one Crib. For sure, for sure. And then had a whole other Crib. Was that, like, something you, Pete,

talked about? Well, the thing about it is, they, in our hood, whatever, they love him, love him, love him. Like, nothing would happen to him. So he felt comfortable there? He felt very comfortable, I think, but... Did he spend the night there?

All the time. He stayed there. He had a waterbed. I don't know about a waterbed. Come on, man. Now, listen, I used to go to New Orleans, and we used to hang out with him. He used to always tell me,

let's go to my apartment in the hood. I thought he was playing, though. No, seriously. I did not know he was serious. Real pressure. Real pressure. No doubt. But, no, so what it is is that the whole hood loved him he

felt the love it was good to be a part of the love you know you feel that way sometimes you know you go where you like like norris they celebrate and not tolerate it right and so um that's the way he felt the most comfortable at the only problem is with the hood is that it's the hood and and eventually it turns on you it turns on you it could be one turn that's the hood. And eventually... It turns on you? It turns on you. It could be one turn. That's all it takes is one turn. And I think that majority of people,

but you still got up and coming dudes. So I was more worried about that, not worried about that he lived there, just the turn of the circle. So I mean like 50 people like you, then 49 like you.

You know what I'm saying? It only takes one to not like you. That's it. That's it. So, you know, I feel like that was when I thought about him living there, I thought about how the hood works where they never. And he actually never got. Sorry to cut you off.

No, I'm fine. But he actually never got in trouble in there. He got in trouble when he left the hood. Pretty much, yeah. No, he was comfortable there. And I think that they would do anything for him but I think it's just why didn't they take a charge for him

like even in a documentary even in a documentary they got girls that were saying what he's from us he's with us like and you just looking and you just seeing the people and you could tell like

you know I'm a hood dude I'm a hood like I brung EFN to the hood it was Bum B it was Bum B yeah I brung Bum B to the hood so what I'm a hood dude I'm a real like I brung EFN to the hood it was Bum B it was Bum B yeah I brung Bum B to the hood

so what I'm trying to tell you I'm a real person from the hood and then when I saw that I was like damn he might be even realer than me like you know what I'm saying

and that's good that's good for me to say that like cause I'm like when I seen how the people was talking because it's one thing for sure two things for certain

OG had told me this one time I kept coming to the hood in the projects and parking on the avenue. And when I would park on the avenue, I knew no one would touch my car. But an OG said to me, yo, man, park on the outskirts from now on. So, I said, what?

Two cars on the outskirts? No, park on the outskirts. Don't park in front of the hood because what happens is everyone comes outside of the projects and they want to show off for me. I'm the one that made it. That's not a sucker that's still coming back out. But as they're coming out, as soon as I leave, they get in the

shootouts. Oh, damn. Because I'm bringing them all out. I'm bringing them all out. I'm not even knowing that. You put a bunch of people together. Because everyone from every side got love from me. Even the niggas that were shooting at me before, I was shooting at them.

Like, now that they know I'm legit, everyone's coming out or whatever. And I didn't know what I was doing. Right. So, every time I left, there would be some shit that happened. So, I started to realize I had to humble myself.

So, I would come, I would bring my... If I broke into two cars in my pocket, you know, by the mall, have a little motherfucker come see me with his bike, give him a motherfucking $50 or something like that

and I'm driving, I'm walking through the hood with the bike on and it leveled me out. Yeah. But on C's shit, C was like never left. Like,

the closest thing I see to C murder is Jungle. I mentioned him earlier. Jungle, yeah, Jungle. Jungle from Nas brother. Yeah, Nas brother. QB. Jungle damn near had an apartment in QB too.

Carter type shit. Nah, he wasn't selling drugs. No, I didn't say that. You said it. No, Carter means drugs. I'm just saying you know. You feel like Jungle has the love there too? He had love in the hood too?

No, he had love. No, Jungle, he's there. He has love in the hood. But not like I see murder. Like, you know. And you know what it was too? I thought that as much as it was kind of a bad idea

for him to be in the hood, it was also a middle ground. Because no one can never say P, Silk, they too Hollywood. Like it anchored them. They still did. What? The main brother.

Those are the three. You know what I'm saying? That's why when y'all benched it out it did 504 Boys which I want to get back into for a little while later. But that was the three main brothers.

I felt like P after everyone left him and P was like I'm sticking with my brothers. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Same mother and fathers, right? Mm-hmm.

So, so what I'm saying I thought that was the middle ground always. I thought that was the way that the hood Same mother and fathers, right? Mm-hmm. So, what I'm saying, I thought that was the middle ground always. I thought that was the way that the hood would never flip on y'all because it's like, C was there. Like, C had us.

Like, they couldn't get at Silk. They couldn't get at Pete. But you could literally see fucking C-Murder go and pick up his mail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's funny. That's real shit. Like, let's make some noise for C-Murder, man. C-Murda go and pick up his mail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's funny. That's real shit. Let's make some noise for C-Murda, man. C-Murda.

Hey, free C-Murda, man. Free C-Murda. And let me tell you something. This is how you know he's a real dude. Every time I see C-Murda, all of us, yo, what's up, what's up? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was never no gangster shit, never none of this shit that people describe. Always a real respect. When was the last time you spoke to C-Murder? I just talked to him maybe

like four or five days ago. Three or four days ago. Yeah. He was he's working on his case stuff so he's kind of like been locked in. But yeah, you know,

he has a number. He calls all the time. So, you know, the J-Pay thing is always working. So yeah, but we more for support. Like, I just, like, the problem, I say, was more of that he's innocent, though.

So, I'm not saying he, I'm not saying, like, okay, yeah, he, you know. Because they're using that old footage. Leave it at innocent. No, no, no. I'm talking about, I'm talking about. They're using old footage against them. Yeah. Meaning, it was other footage

of some incident that happened at a different club and they're using that against this footage because... Wow. Because even the security guard

said that he was under pressure when he said that C-Murder did it. Yeah. So, yeah. So, go ahead. Well, no. The crazy part is...

That's great. I know the facts. Listen, I know the facts. I got all the paperwork. Well, no, the crazy part is... That's crazy. I know the facts. Listen, I know the facts. I got all the paperwork. Like, and the crazy part is that he's really innocent of the crime. Like, I'm saying, like... Like, nope. Yeah.

So, he's really innocent. So, imagine that. So, as a brother, it's more like... It's one of the worst things when... Because we're going to rep our brothers no matter what. Like, if your brother did something, you're like, oh, he did when, because we're going to rep our brothers no matter what. Like, if your brother did something, you're like, oh, he did it,

but I'm going to see him every month, and I'm going to put money on his books. But it's probably the worst feeling when any innocence. So, because me,

I'd be like, yo, bro, you did this stuff, you got to do the crime, do the time. But it's hard when, so I never really stress about anything. And so,

I'm always trying to have a good time, you know, whatever. I feel good about pretty much anything. But then that part of it is one of the, it always drop you down a couple notches. You could be partying in Jamaica having fun and you're just like, we'll see you in jail. And let me tell you,

so the crazy part, that's why I hope you come home soon. The crazy part is if you visit your brother and you leave to go home. You see what I'm saying? And he's back in the jungle. So he's Angola or whatever he's at. Leaving and somebody innocent like that is a mindfuck. It's really a mind thing.

So I think that's almost like... Because I lost my other brother too, but he got killed, right? So he got killed. Kept, kept. And that was like a boom. I think I might have shed one tear and I was like, okay, I'm out of here.

You know what I'm saying? But I got it. But that's when there's like a lingering thing. So I just want to see him, you know, just out of that. What is it in Louisiana? I think they say something you can't reverse the law once um you're convicted even like some shit like that um what not even that i think it's like so when you think of louisiana um you think of like so

if you go to angle the prison they still on horses with shotguns yeah so it's it's it's it's the south right still they wait wait say that again you go to visit and there's still horses with shotguns so it's it's the south right wait wait say that again you go to visit and they're still on horses with shotguns really

they had on everything cowboy hats yeah and that prison where he was at that's the one so it's like and they still

working the field like they work on the field they building stuff so with that prison more is it's a it's really a workplace so they trying to

keep the prisons packed because they get the best work. I mean, I've seen some stuff. They probably made this table. They probably made this, you know, whatever.

And so that's the system for them. And it's a way, cause I was younger. I used to realize like I had a guy, you know, he like little John, whatever, not the rap John,

little John, but so, so he, he was like a good guy. And next thing you know, he's like, yo, he shot and killed a shot at a cop or whatever.

Right. And I'm like, this guy would never do that. 30 years. He out of here. And you know, public spend, he gone,

but straight to Angola. Right. So now he's a worker. They don't want the workers. That's like four years, three years. Got to train them too hard. So it's a system for them.

I get it. Um, but, but it was doing it. They was doing it way back then. So it's a system for them. I get it. Wow. But they was doing it. That's crazy. They was doing it way back then. And they was like, but we was younger, so we was like,

oh, not saying you, let's say somebody. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Took them off the street, he out of here, mom, you know, crying, whatever. 30 years go by, boom. Do it again, do it again.

And so to me, that's the system that they in. It's I feel bad for any parent or anybody who, because it's a lot of them that's not doing it. Of course, there's guilty ones too. Right. But a lot of them not. And so that's the system that they in is I feel bad for any parent or anybody who like us a lot of them That's not doing it for something guilty one suit Well, but a lot of not and so that was that's the only thing about it It's like if he was guilty, I'd be like you got to do the time

We out of here, but and it's not like you guys don't have the resources for Just crazy, you know They system is too big. They won't break it because then that's going to break those systems. But I think he is going to come on and I think he is going to break the system because it's loosening up now a little bit.

The people who... Meaning what? Who's at the top, who's like those real strong ones. They dying? You know, the ones like... Now you're getting some people

in there who's like... But back then, it's just like, boy, you ain't... You probably got some old school Jim Crow motherfuckers in there. But let's talk about how the Master P... Because Master P went and bought the projects though, right? Like, boy, you ain't supposed to, you know, that type of stuff. Probably got some old school Jim Crow motherfuckers in there.

But let's talk about how the Master P. Because Master P went and bought the projects, though, right? Yeah, so it's not a money thing at all. I don't want people to be like, oh, P could do this. Yeah, why don't we own them real hard? People are on them really hard. Like, you're not helping your brother. Like, when you gave up on your brother and whatnot. Can you clear up from your mouth what's going on right now?

Okay, journalist Jack. I mean, he kind of did. He said that it's a system that is not trying to do it over. That's right. I mean, listen, everybody, we could all say we could do, we could be money and want a quarterback and we all could do more. I could do more, right? I mean, but you really are going to have to fight.

Like, even Kim, like, she's trying to do it. Kim. Like, she's trying to do it. Kardashian. Yeah, she's trying to do it. Like, they... Yo, this ain't no bullshit. She ain't... This is behind the scenes. She's close because...

Thank you, Kim. You know, she's trying to... We respect that, Kim Kardashian. Yeah, yeah. I heard that, but that's great to hear from you. Well, listen, however you get out,

I just want to get out. But, I mean, you know, she's taking a different angle than we probably could take. She has, like, some stuff in her back pocket. But, yeah, you know, she's taking a different angle than we probably could take. She has like some stuff in her back pocket. But yeah, I wouldn't be hard on P in that situation because he's done a lot. Of course, all of us can try to do more.

But also, you got to think, too, it's got to be done the correct way. Because you got to think about this. No, not even that part. We could come hard, but he's still in jail, though. So you know that the systems work together. The police work with the- Don't make it worse on him in there. So I don't think he's worrying about that.

I just think that we just trying to find a happy medium. We went hard on him, so hard, hard, hard. And we was right there. It was close. And then last minute, they just, they stuck to their guns where we can't let y'all win is because the system we can't break the system because it's been this way how long he's been in there right now 20 years a little less than 20 but yeah something like that

yeah something like that so it's nuts it's it's it's ridiculous and then when you watch the the documentary and you see uh p's emotions inside of and how he's, I've been here the whole time. I've been here the whole time. Y'all don't know what it's like to be inside of this position and being the head. Like you said, he's the icon in the situation. So it seems like he could just wave a wand and this

shit should be eradicated because of his status. Like, take the pressure off your penis right now and tell us what it is. He said it twice already. Listen,

I would say myself personally, I could say just money money quarterback, could I do stuff differently? Can I do more? You can, but at the same time that's not his fight like that. He's done a lot to really help him out. The system is just really, it's a system that don't want to be broken right now.

Because if they break, they're going to have to break for all these other cases. That's what it is. That's what it is. They know, okay, it could probably break. It's going to break. But they hold in tight because if this breaks, it's going to crack the whole system. And, but his, it's going to break. It always does.

I think a case like his is going to do it. We just got to rally a little bit more and be ready to, because they softening up. The system is turning around because I think right now he's in jail. You know, the 10-2 rule. So the 10-2 rule is it's got to be unanimous. Everywhere in the world, it's anonymous, except New Orleans. Except for New Orleans, meaning the jury has to

all 12 of them have to vote. But in New Orleans, it could be a 10. Excuse me, in Louisiana. The majority is 10. So it could be 10, and it could be two people that says no, and you're still going to jail. That's crazy.

It starts right here, right now, new jail. That's crazy. Free C. Murda. It starts right here, right now, new campaign. Let's go, drink champagne. There it is. Yeah, yeah, it's corruption going on. Hey, and we won't stand for it no more. We want, free my nigga. Hey, is my camera right there?

It's right here. Look at that camera right there. Yeah, Free C. Murda. I beat your asses. If you ever wanna take a bathroom break, now's the time. Okay. Yeah, I'm good.

I'm good. I'm going to keep going. I'm on a quarter tank right now, Pete. I'm going to put my clear Nori glasses on. Yeah, yeah. Come on, come on. Are you switching glasses? No, no, no, no.

Hell no. I'm going to keep my tie. I don't, I don't, I don't. We got to shout out the Organic Food Kings. Oh, yes. I just ate some of the guys' food. Food looks incredible. We got the truck outside at Organic Food Kings. Oh, yes. I just ate some of the guys' food. It's incredible. We got the truck outside at Organic Food Kings.

Make sure you check them out. Yeah, that's right. We're going to be eating them all the time right now. So tell us what you're doing now. You producing movies? Yeah, I'm about to be having the movie stuff now. Okay, so what made you do that? I did it before.

I did the one with him. I'm doing a... Man, I had a part, like it was like, you needed to pause, but then mother fucker. It was pretty good, man. Yeah, I was pretty good, like, hey, don't go in there. He ain't got, he got a little,

yeah, with me and Lil Duvall. Lil Duvall was like, yo, you was great, nigga, you gonna be the star of the mother fucking movie. And nigga, da da da da. He know how to build you up and make you feel okay. You know, what I am is so just exclusively right now

I'm working on writing like a no limit project but I'm also writing so by the time writing Hot Boys 2 so we doing it right now so who am I going to be in it

I got some it's going to be dope it's going to be kind of redirected with the new stuff that's happening now but who am I going to be in it you're going to definitely be in it for sure the new stuff that's happening now. But who am I going to be in it? You're going to definitely be in it for sure.

Yeah, but am I going to have... I'm going to try to get... I'm going to get Nori in it for sure. I'm kidding. But then you're just going to skip. You see how that... You're doing me like Mr. Lee. I said I'm listening.

You're doing me like Mr. Lee. Listen, listen. I can't get a drink. I can't get a drink. No, I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you in there for sure. Can I get some lads and some fuckers? You will.

Can I get some fucking in the movie? I don't know about the fucking. Give me some fucking in the movie, man. I don't know about that. You know what I'm some fucking in the movie, man? I don't know about that part. You know what I'm saying? Come on, bro. You expect me to fuck somebody that's not even real? I've been working on my body.

I look good on camera now. You'll see. You'll see. Are you fucking kidding? Come on. I've been there from day one. I can't get you a part in the movie. I can't guarantee you a fucking role.

I can't guarantee you that. You can't get me an answer to your movie. I'm not asking you. fucking role. I can't guarantee you a role. You can't get me an AC. Yo, movie. I'm not asking you. Yo, I'm managing you right now. Roy, you agree it has to make sense, right? You don't want to buy just randomly stuff. Like, what's the random? I don't want to be.

I'm going to be a star, but I'll be the supporting fucking role. We might not have a supporting. Let's tell them the answer to this question. I, Cameron, paid in full. You know, was he the star in the movie? No, not really. But he became a star in the movie. Yo, paid in full. Nori, was he the star in the movie? No, not really, but he became a star in the movie. Yo, paid in full.

Nori, was he the star in the movie? Yes. But can I get a memorable role in a motherfucker? Yes, he was, Mr. Ma. Can I get a role as big as Nori's was in this shit? What's the role? Which one? Stay in private?

I want some shit like Nori had. Paid in full, I got 12 seconds. Yeah, I need the 12 seconds to fucking in something. I can almost guarantee you 12 seconds. I just can't guarantee you 12 seconds. I had. I got 12 seconds. I need the 12 seconds to fucking in something. I can almost guarantee you 12 seconds. I just can't guarantee you 12 seconds. I know you can guarantee me 12 seconds. I didn't fuck it up. Give me something monumental.

One nigga was Noah's Jack. Nori negotiated 12 seconds for you. 12 seconds. I got you 12 seconds. Give me 12 seconds. That's what I want to get to. Shout out to 12 seconds. Oh my God.

Shout out to 12 seconds. So what's your favorite era of No Limit? I usually ask people what's their favorite era of music, but I just want to say your favorite era of No Limit, like yours personally. I would say Snoop coming to No Limit. When Snoop came to No Limit. Yeah, it was because we watched them,

but I'm sure you probably know Snoop. Yeah, of course. So Snoop is like the ultimate loyal, like cool, really somebody who like, it's always the same. Like if he rock with you, he rock with you. If he doesn't, he's like whatever.

But me and him, we had a bond because he would stand by my house. He would come over. He would like, we would chop it up. We would go to places and he was just consistently, we did a lot of music together but we just was more like um

i've really rarely seen people that um embraced it um bought into it and then would listen like he would like tell you stuff but he would also listen and still would remain humble but also even to this day it's like what's up nephew it's like you know it's that and what's up, nephew? It's like, you know, what's up, Uncle? And it's like that still thing. And he never really changed up. I thought that was. And he was a superstar, too. And it was good that it was good because we was good.

But to help him get back to where he wanted to be at, because when he came to us, I wouldn't say he was still Snoop, but he was just questioning Snoop. And as an artist, you know and that and as an artist you know you'll question how good like I never really questioned like my talent but if somebody's saying oh you off beat you know what I'm saying like I'm selling millions of records people love me they're going crazy when I come in but so he

got it back to watch him get it back he was walking at first he was like trying to figure it out then he was smiling running around Bad Ruins like drop top car yeah he was walking at first he was like trying to figure it out then he was smiling running around Bad Ruins like drop top car in the country club yeah he was chilling man he got his house there

he was coming out with his slippers like I'm watching it he don't know it but I'm watching it and I'm like wow cause when he first got there you could see the

he wasn't that confident he was like I don't know if I'm Snoop Dogg you know like he knew it but by the time he got in that studio and making like I think he made after my you know what I'm Snoop Dogg You know like he knew it But he was But by the time he got In that studio And making like

I think he made After my You know what I'm saying He was like He got it back He was walking around I think that's when He was ready to say

I gotta go back home You know what I'm saying To the West Coast That's crazy And step into that My faith And it was dope To watch him

Kinda Feel with his chest out Like yep I'm going back And take over You know the West Coast It was dope Was you there that night The death row Try to jump on I was I was yeah, I was there

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you see from your vision. Um, so Snoop being a person he was we had a whole bunch of people Watching him and he was watching everybody right and then Snoop was like He'll probably say I'm just going to the bathroom by myself You know, he's not really fearful like that so he's more like, so he went off with like one, maybe one person or somebody like that. And I didn't see that would happen.

I did see him walk off, but it's typical Snoop. He's like, I'm just going to do what I want to do. Go and chop it up some of my friends, whatever. As soon as he did it, one thing I heard like about a couple seconds later was all of us just running, like just running towards where we think that Snoop is at. And that was like it. And then later was all of us just running like just running towards where we think that snoop is at and that was like it and then it just kind of like this um big old melee

you know we everybody everybody ready you know whatever blah blah blah um and that was it it was just then it kind of settled down at that point yeah like um we had p on here p told us about this famous phone call a master Master P called, excuse me, a Shug called him. A Shug called him. And Shug saying, yo, man, LA ain't big enough for both of us. And Master P saying, so when you moving?

I heard that story. Yeah, I heard that story. We all heard the rumors of Death Row Yeah When you hear this That your brother Is saying

Man I ain't going nowhere Mm-hmm What is your thoughts Running through your mind Are you thinking Industry shit Or are you thinking like Maybe this is the time

Let's relax I mean Like I'm not really familiar With the Suge part of it So I won't even comment On that part So you didn't know Who Suge was

Well I knew of him I know your own Tell that story Yeah I knew on your own But I'm hanging Van familiar with the Shug part of it, so I won't even comment on that part. So you didn't know who Shug was? Well, I knew of him. I knew his own story. Yeah, I knew only his own. But I'm hanging with another ice over the shit. I heard it. But I'd be so, listen, I'd be so. In his own shit? Own zone, whatever.

But I'm with, you know, I'm with all that. But at the same time, I heard the stuff. But I also could believe the conversation happened. I wasn't there when the conversation happened. They protected you from a lot of that shit, right? No, no, I was in the mix of everything. They keep calling you Richie Rich. No, no, actually, the funny thing about it is,

and this is all due to, you know, blessed on that part, I was probably the wildest one coming up. And I was in all the stuff. I was with, I think we had, like, even if you're on the video, I was in the barrier with the fight. I was I made the lie up I was like yeah dude stepped on my foot he didn't step on my foot the whole club we fight in the club whatever so you know I was

with all that dumb stuff um so no and I was I was at every meeting the UGK stuff I knew of it if I wasn't there it's like I'm a phone call away. So the crazy part, I was with whatever we was with. The room was like P caught on pimp in a room. I wasn't aware of that part. But that's just rumor stuff like that.

Pimp and I think P is good. They both admitted to it. It's online. You can pick it up. I can see that. Some of that stuff, Oh, they did? Yeah, they did. Oh, they did? Okay. I can see that. It's online. You can pick it up. Okay, I can see that. I can see that. But, you know, some of that stuff, I just, it called me when it's all the way up, or, you know, we got a problem,

it's an issue, stuff like that. So, with the, what did I say? No, no, no. Oh, with that part of it, I know that probably happened, because I could see, but that's typical. What about the children, Pastor Pete? That probably could happen.

I heard of it. That probably could happen, for sure. I could see that. Except getting a lot of much children, Pastor Pete, what? That probably could happen. I heard of it. That probably could happen for sure. I could see that. Except get a lot of niggas. How about the Pastor Troy shit? Because I had listened to this record for damn near two years, and I had no idea

that that was a diss record towards... Which one? We Ready. No, no, play it in G.A. No, no, fuck what you say. Ain't no more playing in G.A. I said, what's up? Big mouth, big talk, big game. No, no, fuck what you say. Ain't no more playing NGA. I said, what's up? Big mouth, big talk, big game.

Oh, wow. Pastor Troy. Okay. I'm from Georgia. Pastor Troy. We get that. Pastor Troy coming soon. Drink champagne.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coming soon. Yeah. But I had watched this man come perform two or three, four, five, six, seven times. And I had not known Because because I think the intro of the record is actually the disc right or the video or whatever I had not done It's Peter. Yeah, it's Peter. Yeah. Yeah, there's rapping for tech. Yeah

Oh, yeah With this Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on the phone too. I thought you were with the script. That's how it went. They just passed the trial. Okay. And tell them since they think they soldiers, we ready for war. I never really heard that. Damn, you so rich, man.

God damn it. You ain't gonna follow what you say. Ain't no more playing, G.A. Yo, yo. I never heard that before. I managed to pass the trial too. Never, never, never. That's crazy. But I know that I heard that before. I'm in this past Detroit, too. Never, never heard of it. That's crazy.

But I know that I heard the story. Yeah. Like I said, I'd be mad listening. Me, I'm like my, I had to control my, you know, I had a low temper back then. So I tried not to, because they'll have to tell me to calm down type of thing. So I just try to, when it's up, it's like, it's up. He shot me before. I would have definitely shot you before.

He definitely would have shot you. I'm going to get you stuck up. In a pinky toe. And then he shot me. In a pinky toe. I'm going to get you stuck up. No, Megan Thee Stallion. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm Megan. You tore up. No, don't put me in that. Don't do that. He said, oh, baby, you tore me. Oh, my God. This is going. What's up?

Big mouth. Big talk. Big game. No, I can't believe you ain't know. You ain't know. I heard the story, but I never listened to music. White folks. This nigga rich.

Rich. Rich. Rich. Rich. Tech game. Tech game. We'll get to that later. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Tech game. What's that? You on your chameleon there? Yeah, he on his chameleon there. I talked to him before. He's dope people. Dope game. What's that? You on your chameleon air shit, right? Yeah, he on his chameleon air. Yeah, he on his chameleon air. I talked to him before. So he's dope people. Dope people.

You on it? You on it? Yeah. So you got an emoji like this. What you doing? What? You got an emoji. What I've done is, and that's probably like why I want to show people because, and I'm

going to send this to you. I have this book I had wrote too, but it's a music book. So I'm going to send this to all y'all for sure. Yeah, please. I didn't bring none, huh? And the silk wine, too. We're going to talk about it later. Silk wine.

I grabbed silk wine. But no, I'm in the tech world, but I also found it's a balance, too, of telling people you're in the tech world and really being in the tech world, right? So it's some stuff that I'm part of that you probably use, but I probably never tell you that.

I think because sometimes, some stuff is good. He's on a piece of Twitter. No, that's probably, I never tell you that. I think because sometimes, some stuff is good like, He own a piece of Twitter. Now that's why I don't own that, but I own something that's great. Pornhub? Hm? Pornhub. No, I do not.

Instagram? Instagram? No, no, bro, no. You want Uber? Uber? Uber? That's this nigga. No, I want something that's cool,

that's dope like that. How do you get into these things, though? Because I'm hearing people get it. Is it through hedge funds? Is it through, like... White people. I got friends that are... Definitely.

I got... Because regular people don't understand how motherfuckers get into this shit. I got something for you, bro. Oh, I got something. Please. Oh, Nori. Please. Put me on.

I got something for you. Bro. Okay. No, let me tell you. Okay. I got to call my boy. I got to call my boy at some point. Okay.

Listen. Please. Nori, call your boy. I got something for you. Put him on. Put him on. You got to call my boy. I got to call my boy at some point. Okay. Listen. Please, please call your boy. I got something for you. Put him on. Put him on. You got to call him. Okay, cool.

I got something for you, my bro. You're going to be like, Shaq, I owe you. Yeah, I want that. Put me on when he tells you. I got both of y'all. No, I actually got both of y'all and this is going to make

so much sense for you. What is that? The book? Okay. Oh, you got the book. Okay, yeah, yeah. He got the tape. Paved? Yep, that's it. Yeah. He got the tape. Paved?

Yep, that's it. It's a, it's successful in the music business. So everything you need to know about publishing, writing, whatever. What year did you put this up? Like two years,

a year and a half ago. Oh, so it's pretty recent. So it's up to date. It's really good. So make some noise for Paved. Got that? Yep. Come on.

Paid in full for real, baby. Paid in full. It's paved. But Nori, I'm glad. Yeah, please. I want to be in some tech shit. Oh, man. I want to go to Silicon Valley. You're going to love it, bro. Paid in full. It's paid. But Nori, I'm glad. Yeah, please. I want to be in some tech shit. Oh, man. I want to go to Silicon Valley.

You're going to love it, bro. Oh, my God. Oh, you done been to Silicon Valley plenty of times. Before he was married, let me tell you something. Nigga used to get more quizzes than a temp hunt. You stupid. Hey, but that ain't, this is myself right now. Are you in the crypto space too?

No, he ain't in no games. I'm not. That's surprising. But I want to get into some stuff that I don't know about. I try not to do it until I know it. NFT stuff? I just got my first one done. Shout out to my boy Trev.

NFT? Yeah. You know, Frenchie. My bad, but Frenchie. Mike Tyson? Yeah, he's got something going on. He's involving all of us. Okay, cool.

So you sold your first one or you bought it? not yet. We did it. We do it right now Yeah, we about to put it out together now one second but So that's some stuff That's some stuff that Because some of the stuff you doing like you do you could own for you be like, oh, that's what I'm doing Like I know knives do a lot of it, right?

Some stuff knives do that you never know knives do it blows up right whatever But I found out sometimes you keep some stuff separate cuz let's say if I got a clothing line Yeah, I have a clothing line. That's that every artist, you know comes into LA and buy it at my shop, right? Right slam you don't know because I don't want you know I own it but I own it and I I could pull up 100 rappers that has their word. If I tell them that I own it... It'll change it. They'd be like, I ain't with them, Suga, Chocolat.

You know what I'm saying? They identify with you. I don't know why. But if you like... That's actually what it is. I want to know about the shit that you got on now. Well, this is Da Vinci. That's Da Vinci.

Yeah, I don't know about Da Vinci. Bullshit. It wouldn't even be something personal with you. It's just identifying with a person. Yeah, yeah. Givenchy? I don't know how to spell it. Yeah, Da don't have a Givenchy. Bullshit. It wouldn't even be something personal with you. It's just identifying with a person. Givenchy? I don't know how to spell it. Yeah, Givenchy. Givenchy.

It was just, yeah, I just got it. Put it together. I don't get it. You don't get it? I don't get it. I never could get it. Why you got it? It just felt good on my skin.

I should have worn a gun. A gun holster without a gun? A gun holster. I got Johnny here. What Johnny? Now, I do have one brand that I identify myself with. I've seen you guys some. Put us on.

What's it? Put us on. What's the brand? Yeah, yeah. It's called Chasing Billions. So that's the one I do. But that one is, you know, people, I put it, it's mine. But it does well anyway.

But the other one, every person from Wu-Tang to Lil Baby and Su-Train has wore it. Wow. Yeah, but because it's aTrain has wore it. Wow. Yeah, but because it's a kind of thing where it's pieces, so they love it. They spend $500 on it, $3,000 on it. Wow. Yeah, for real.

You and your Fonz boys, you got to relax, all right? You arguing with him? Yeah, because the nigga was not there for me. I thought I was trying to show y'all he had my back and I ain't need no guns. This nigga's like the transporter. He got the guns? He got the guns. Let's see.

Man, no, you don't do it. No, no, don't do it. Because we went to jail. Both of us went last time. You guys went together? Hey, man, Mr. Lee, I would. Yo, the bottle boy, this nigga here, he even had, he got it out for you, dog. Yeah.

Hey, Suge Knight called me before. Suge Knight called you? He called me. Did he for real? No, that's 100%. It's documented and everything. No jokes, no jokes. I swear to God.

So what he say? What do you mean it's documented, though? You recorded it? I talked about it before. Oh, okay, okay. That don't mean it's documented. Yeah. But it's 100% true.

What happened with you and Suge? I've been in before. Oh, okay, okay. That don't mean it's documented. Yeah. But it's 100% true. What happened when you were in the show? All right, so you remember when Tupac's bodyguard, Frank Alexander. Yeah. The guy with the light-skinned dude with curly hair. Yes, I was the last interview. Mm.

Yes, 100%. Oh, because he got murdered, right? He had got murdered two weeks after our interview. On This is 50? On This is 50, yes. And, yo, a finisher called me. All these fucking, it was a little boy that used to hang out with Tupac all the time. They would bring along, like, on some goddamn Emanuel Lewis shit with Michael Jackson.

That's weird. You know, Tupac was 20. He was young. But anyway, he called me, and he was like, this was when it was in talks of, what's the movie? Straight Outta Compton was coming out. Before the altercation. Before he goes to jail about this shit. Right, right, right. He finds out how he's being depicted inside of the movie.

Who? Suh. Suh. So he hit me up up and he was like, hey, what's up? Is this Jack Thriller? I said, yeah, what's up, who this? He said, it's Suge.

I said, Suge who? He said, nigga, the only Suge. I said, Suge, no. Get the fuck out of here. What's up, boy? He said, what's up? He said, I'm trying to see you. I'm like, what?

Trying to see me. He said, I can't see you. Yeah, what's up? He said, I'm trying to see you. I'm like, what? Trying to see me? He said, I can't see you. Yeah, where you at? And he said, I'm in L.A. Oh, I'm in New York. Oh, shit. And now I'm balled up in the corner. And he was like, hey, I need to talk to 50.

I said, about what? And he was like, hey, I want to talk to you about the death row movie. I want to do a Death Row movie and whatnot. And, you know, I know he gets shit going. He wanted to do a counter movie? Yeah, he wanted to do a counter movie. Right. Yeah.

And so I said, hey, I'll make it happen for you, but I need something from you, too. I need you to give me a shout out. This is all the way Jack Miller. Yeah, I mean, I wanted some bullshit. I asked him for no money, nothing, because I didn't understand the business and what this called me. I asked him for a shout-out for my show, Cypher show, 16 of Ella. You got a drop from that?

He wouldn't do it until I got him on the phone with 50. So I went to the office the next day to see 50, and I said, hey, 50, guess who called me last night? They did not believe you. They didn't even talk to you. They didn't believe you. No, he believed me. 50 believed everything I said.

Okay, okay. He said, I said, should Knight want to holler? He said, who? Nigga, fuck no. They walked off on me. And I was like, oh shit, I don't think 50 likes shit tonight. And so. So we're telling 50 secrets now that you work with Rick Ross.

Wow. You don't get to fuck up. And I was thirsty. I was thirsty. Don't be giving 50 up now. No, no, no. Fuck that. I can't allow it.

I can't allow it. 50 fuck with who he fuck with. And he don't fuck with who he fuck with and he don't fuck with who he fuck with. So he definitely not fucking with you right now. Yeah, 100%. I think I'm being mean.

You better put a gun in that hole. But anyway, so the story carries on. Damn, I'm confused. I don't know what to do. Did Shook call you back? He called me back. Oh my God. And I was like, hey man, what's do the shit call you back he called me back

oh my god and I was like hey man what's up why you say hey you talk to 50 yet I was like he ain't been in

all the happenings yeah yeah black can't yo let me get that drop he's like man tell the nigga I need to holler at him you know what I'm saying

real soon like it's ASAP it's one I need to do it right now. And I'm going to do your drop, whatever the fuck you want to do. And I went back and I tried again. And I went to Renee this time.

And Renee was like, hey, Jack. That's Renee McClain? No. No. Go. Uh-uh. Because there's a whole other story to go with this shit with Hookie back in the day. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, you know the story. Oh, okay, cool. Somewhere. Somewhere. All right, cool. All right. We got a couple minutes left. Come on.

Yeah, so he's... Let's get to the story. So... They kidnapped Hookie too? Some shit like that. Okay. That's what happened. What happened?

He kidnapped Hookie. Who, Shug? Shug? Yes! Yeah. You know, punting him, kidnapped him. Yeah, like what? That's what happened. What happened? He kidnapped Hookie. Who, Suge? Suge? Yes! Yeah. You know, punting him, kidnapped him. Yeah, yeah, this is a kidnap game. He just kidnapped.

He survived. He's a kidnap game? Five kidnappings. Five whole kidnappings. This is way better than most kidnappings. Yeah, way better. Like with killer, killer, killers. Killer cams.

So anyway. The nigga, I tell him that I'm going to do this shit. And you guess. And a blessing come out of the skies and shit. Because I don't know what to tell you next. Then he go to jail. I'm like, oh, shit. That's not a blessing.

For me. For me. For me. For me. For me. For me. Because now I've got my explanation for this. And then she hit a nigga at the movie. He's still a blessing. He came out the school. So it released me.

It released me. It's about him. It's about me. At this particular point. Okay. And so then straight out of the company. And it's a great movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie.

It's a great movie. And I say that, it go right into the Dirty South, you know what I'm saying, the story of Goody Mob playing Cee-Lo. Man, Cee-Lo

used to rob niggas all the time and blah, blah, blah. And when he got famous, you know what I'm saying, niggas used to come up to him like, hey, you robbed me before. And now it's going to be

one of the greatest movies that you'll ever see that was on some gangster shit, music, you robbed me before. And now it's going to be one of the greatest movies that you'll ever see that was on some gangster shit, music, all that, in comparison to a fucking straight out of Compton. That's why I was going with that. And I got a new show. It's called The Pull-Up. The Pull-Up.

Let's be clear. Tack Stone had a show called The Pull-Up. Who? Tack Stone. Who? Tack Stone. That's not true. Had a show called The Pull-Up. So did Joe Buttons had a show called The Pull Up. I just want to be clear. Well, they don't got it now.

And Mr. Lee had a show called The Pull Up. Someone else that has a show called The Pull Up. Oh, no. Hey, listen. You can't pull up unless you're in Atlanta. You can easily differentiate yourself by saying, pull up on me. Pull up on me. All right, we'll put that on me on there. We'll put that on me on there. I got a new show called Pull Up On Me. On me, with an M-A. On me, on your young M-A.

Young M-A. Young M-A. And I was not the nigga that got young M-A pregnant either. What? We was playing spin the bottle one night. It was me, a couple of the students and she's Control She came on me and I was like, hey, what's up? She was like, hey you want to no niggas with it, did you? As long as you ain't fucking no niggas with it, I'll do it.

What are you talking about, bro? I got a new show. It's called The Pull Up On Me. Where my girl Mimi and Shante, they're publicists. The biggest publicists. Wait, hold on. Time out. In Atlanta. Time out.

So you put your girl on the show? Huh? You put your girl on the show? She's going to pull up and whatnot and talk about everything. She's not on the show? She don't pull up and whatnot and talk about her show. She's not on the show? Listen, we... Didn't you have a bad mistake when you was working with your trainer? A bad mistake?

You was working with your trainer. No, I don't... I champion my girl shows. I champion my girl shows, but I'm not on the show. Yeah, I'm producing her show. So she can do what she wants to do on her show. I'm on the back end. I'm producing her show So she can do what she wants to do On her show

I'm on the back end I'm supporting I'm supporting But I got the pull-up show, it's with Shantae and Mimi And they're both publicists We can get anybody in the world On that motherfucker, that's why I did it this way We gotta stay so you can come from the interview

Go write and perform On that shit I need y'all on the show This way we got to stay so you can come from the interview go right and perform on this shit nor it EFN I need y'all on the show. No say help me get us in Atlanta and whatnot and it's gonna change the game You know all excess Granite you remember that show when we did shooting music videos and it showed the making of it and all that we doing it We bring in 16 a better back. It comes with a new name is called keep my name in your mouth Cypher It comes with a new name is called keep my name in your mouth

100% is going down. Hey, I also Every Sunday every Sunday King of diamonds, it's a branch. I got a live band with my Reckless eyeballing for as long as it's going down in the major way Moving and grooving and dancing to this music in this room. Come on now. Yo, y'all give it up for me. Y'all give it up for me. I done came up.

I done came up like I used to get you, y'all. I done came up. Come on, clap for me. Hey, John, you with me, nigga. You gon' clap for me. What the fuck wrong with you? So this is your publicist, man. Yeah.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen, listen. I got to build infrastructure for my dog. And I managed to shoot the shot here. If you need any bookings, any features, niggas to rap on beat or off beat, you got that shit over here. Come over here to Big Dick Entertainment. Big Dick Entertainment, y'all, come on.

Okay, okay. Come on, we spoon feeding everybody. Let's go. So what's next for Silk? So we got a new project coming out called Vito. That's this album. Oh, wow. So you know how I used to be. I was like, everybody's calling me Vito.

So we doing that right now. Why do they do that? We almost dope, huh? Why do they do that? I don't know. Everybody used to call me that. But the actual Vito stands for something. Now y'all stay tuned to that.

And then we doing a movie. So we just did a sitcom. So I sold one sitcom, and I was actually cast in a sitcom that did like eight episodes. So that was cool. That was dope. Then you acted. That was cool. Acting, yeah.

That's coming out. This is what I do. It's coming out. Okay. Coming out. I can do it for you, too. Full press. So that's it.

And like I said, the tech world stuff is dope. But movies, I'm about to get into that 100 that's gonna be dope producing or uh producing directing um the last two i'm writing uh but actually i wrote the first one right we were 100 yep but um yeah i'm really good at the right one good line remember what people come up to me this day and say, hey, come on in. You can come on in. Yeah, I am going to come on in. That's terrible, man. That's your man, Z.

But no, I'm so good at the, so I'm not being humble no more. Take this from Nori. Nori told me to do this. We're no longer being humble. But no, I'm really super good at the writing the script. I'm not good at typing it, but I'm so good at the actual screenplay. Conceptualizing it. I'm so good at it.

But I mean, even with the music stuff, that's kind of how I was. I rarely wrote, but just had everything in my head. You can't say that. Because when you say you rarely wrote, people want to take it like people wrote for you. So you got to say you really wrote, you freestyled. I freestyled. You got to say that because these fans would take that little part and be like, oh, shit, Toji Master P wrote his own shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Cain and Abel wrote his own shit. Fiend wrote everything. You know what I'm saying? That's funny. So shout out to my boy Fiend. And when you say movie stuff, because you guys were doing movies already, so you're diving into, like,

the legit Hollywood side of it. Man, I got one. This one's big. Like, is this going to be big? Because, you know, I'm going to talk to y'all off the air about it, but it's a... We don't want to let it go.

Yeah, so we got some of them that we're just doing ourselves, but then I got lucky and did this one. I'm not paying for it at all, but somebody, they bought it from me, like a big company bought it from me, and it's an 80, almost $90 million movie. Wow. Yeah, but I could write them like that. I'm actually better at those, so I'm trying to,

I could do the ones we do all the time. That's easy for me, but I'm really good at the big concept. We talk about the air body. We're talking about Fast and Furious 11 right now. Pretty good. Don't give it away here. It's really good. I like this show but yeah. Yeah it's really good.

You'll be like oh you did that because you guys appreciate the like coming from where we came from to do stuff like this. And those things are easier for me to do, honestly. Right. To make like, I have one movie. I'm sure at some point it'll get picked up.

It's like $300 million. But if you check it out. Yeah, it's 300 to part three. And you would be like, oh, why didn't nobody pick it up? But I ain't having nobody read it yet. But two people. Because they couldn't read it. And one person is actually may do it.

We'll talk about it. When you say person, are you talking about like diving into the whole Hollywood ecosystem? Because I'm saying because you guys were making movies. So the outside of you guys are already successful doing indie movies. Yeah. So what's the difference now? Like, are you tapped in now to this, what other people,

this Hollywood ecosystem that's millions and billions of dollars that people give up for movies? So let me give you an example. The actual crazy part is I didn't realize I'm going to give you

a little game. The bigger movies, Lord, it's easy to get done than the smaller movies. Like, think about this. Because they see bigger profits. Okay, so if you rich, you don't care about money.

But if I try to go get $200,000 from some of my friends, they go, I mean, not friends, but some people that I know that don't have it, it's going to be, it doesn't matter,

it's going to be like taking water from this thing. They don't have it to give. They might want to do it, but they might say, oh, I'll give you five, but you got to think about somebody up sitting on a hundred million dollars It's again It's a it's a gamble that you don't make good money off if they don't make it

But if they make it as a tech, yeah, they don't tax write-off. Yeah, if they do is a good is a good investment And watch this here you gonna have to worry about Taking the money from the guy who only got twenty thousand hundred thousand, $100,000. So he's going to be on you. Like, okay, whatever. As opposed of somebody, they just sitting around, they got it. So what I learned to do is balance, too. I love doing the movies that we've done. You know, I love those.

But then I also kind of broadened the horizon on it. It was like, oh, take those concepts. Like, have a concept. If it's good, you know, actors are going to want to do it. And I found out that's kind of like my niche, you know what I'm saying, where I'm like, I think like that. You'll see some of the movies. It's crazy.

They dope. They crazy. How do you get into that world of those people that invest like that? I'm around some of them. Everybody knows that I make dollars and cents, right? So what I do really good, honestly, I do marketing good. So if you go no limit, it's marketing structures to everything. That's why I was telling you earlier where you always be okay because the person who

can sell stuff is going to win all the time. You can have this good beer, but is anybody going to sell it? You can have a Kevin Hart movie, but if nobody hears about it, it won't do good. If you could put your post, that's why the movie that we did is funny. It's got fun. The movie we did, I sold it to Lionsgate, right? So I paid for it and I sold it to Lionsgate, right? And Lionsgate was like,

now they bought the movie because I said- How much they bought it for? I'm not telling you what they bought it for. You ought to stay in the same room. I remember that yesterday, like we had to stay in the same fucking room.

But the funny part is, no use of lies, let's go through that. We told your ass about it You took care I take care of y'all What does take care mean? No I take care of y'all

Is it drink take care? It ain't drink Dude let's just think about it I took a chance on all y'all And nobody cared about y'all in Hollywood Tell the truth Him and Lil Duval And Michael Black

They said to me They said What is this guy in the movie? All I want to say is that they don't really care. They don't. So they was like, this shouldn't be in the movie. We're not going to buy this. Right.

But here's how crazy it is. I know that Michael Blackson is like, was a star in the make. I knew little Duvall was super good. He's still working on it. My boy is good. He's good. He's good people. And he's good.

He let me manage him. He let me manage him. He let me manage him. He let me manage him. Get out there, man. Come on, give me the hand. So, what they did. But even with the Lionsgate stuff, they sit down with me.

We had a meeting. You sold it outright? No, I still own it. But they sit down with me, whatever. They didn't really want to buy the movie. Oh, no. What's the deal? I got to get it back in five years or whatever.

So what they did was they, I sit down with them. Now, shout out to Lionsgate for sure, but they don't really know. They have a lot of urban movies and they just throw it at the fence and be like, here you go, 10 million. And they don't, like, shout out to Lionsgate,

but they didn't even know what Worldstar was, type of you know I'm saying like but they selling to you know to our community but not to say they they dope in the business part but how do you they trying to say like silk they sit me down they like silk um why these movies didn't do good and we our meeting was supposed to be 30 minutes um Noreen shot For real. It turned out to a seven-hour meeting. And they picked... So, think about no limit. You consulted them. Hold on. You took a...

They gave you $10 million. You took a shadow for $200 in the room. $10 million? They ain't no $10 million. How much they gave you for that meeting? I'm not telling you how much they gave you. It wasn't that much. What the fuck?

Why we had to stay in the same room? In the room? That's a lie. Who stayed in the same room? You and DeWalt? Exactly. That's a lie. Don't do that, DeWalt.

DeWalt won't get you, bro. Don't do that. It was 06. That's a lie. Don't do that, Duvall. Duvall gonna get you, bro. Don't do that. Don't do that. It was 06. That's a lie. I had 5 stars. I didn't even picture this. You and Duvall stay in the same room?

Yeah, on his dime. Norrie, no. Now, normally, when we be by ourselves, we don't be in the same room. But when we were with him, we were like, man, this nigga. If they want to stay in the room, they stay in the room because they wanted to. There was never nobody stay in the same room.

That's like, don't do that. Come on, talk to me. If they want to say the movie stay back to the morning, they was never nobody stay in the same room No, but honestly, this is doubly not just Jack said they was on bunk beds. Dude, I'm taking, I took, these guys are funny as heck. Good joke, Buster. Come on, you gonna say,

you gonna say Norris? I might try to book Norris. Now, Norris, you don't want to come to this movie. Why you smacking my hand on me? I might want to book Norris.

I'm trying to connect with you. You trying to connect with me. You trying to connect and then be on your side. Like, all the state and nationwide. This is trying to connect and be on your side. Like, all the state and nationwide. It's simple.

But no, so they took that, so they just bought the More Money, More Family part because they kind of wanted me in a circle, whatever.

And so, no, it's like one of those things where I just was kind of introduced to it, but I also learned the system. And the system is, it's designed for us,

but we go away from it. We got to balance it all so you could do those movies and then you could really like we could make some big movies for the culture but why why we can't um make fast and furious right i'm saying we can own that like we could literally but we can't do it if we trying to lowball the production part and they don't keep us in the the same way I don't know about that part but they known to do that because I know some Hollywood actors that I be like yo you know you guys could do these projects yourself they're starring in the

movies but the system is giving them what they want to but I'm like I know what your girl name is who played Cookie whatever Taraji P. Henson motherfucker don't you deal with her like that I'm sorry I'm out of bed I'm like, I know what your girl name is who played Cookie, whatever. Taraja Peterson, motherfucker. Don't you deal with her like that. No, I'm sorry. I'm not bad. I'm sorry. I'm on my mind blank.

That's all this traffic. Richie Rich. No, I flew from always. Sorry, now, Norris. If it wasn't for you... I understood it. If it wasn't for you, Norris, I wouldn't...

Norris, you get your bitch ass out of here with that shit. You know, you're going to let him get away with that. You wouldn't let me get away with that. But I ain't even, what you talking about? The same way you did Beyonce and Jay, you got to do Taraji like that. That's royalty.

Oh, okay, my bad. But I understood what he said when he said cookie. That's what I'm saying. I did, because she does a hell of a job as cookie. Let's just be clear. I'm in the Twilight Zone. Yeah, come on. Oh, this ain't going to go my way.

It never is. This the dynamic of my shit. It's Taraji, yeah. Taraji, that's the one. I'm the comic read. No, I was blank for a second. Oh, I'm the jester. I got it.

I got it. No, I was blank and what I was telling Sam was she's doing all these big roles and she's underpaid. I was saying like... So how much you going to pay her now? I'm going to pay her whatever she want.

Hey, Taraji, you're trapped. She's going to pay you whatever you want, baby. Yeah. I mean, with and reason. I'm saying with and reason. What's unreasonable?

Because it's just unreasonable. Because her manager... Forget about it. I'm trying to get... I'm going to manage Taraji and Silk at the same fucking time. Well, cut me a break on Taraji then. Okay, cool. That's all you got to say?

And we in business? Shake mine? Be careful. Don't do it. Don't do it. Good handshake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of going to stick, but then it might not stick.

You know what I'm saying, Corey? It might not stick. But no, that's it. So it's just us kind of having a chance. Because we powerful enough to do it. We just got like the top got to be fed by a bunch of people that believe in it. But they know that we're the only people that's going to under budget ourselves in the films. We're in a Tyler Perry studio.

He's doing his thing. You've been to this place though? I heard about about it I got a small little Tyler Perry studio in Atlanta it's like 10 minutes away from the airport you've been there before they said that you was there is uh the show you you have a yes I got a spot it's just it's the not so Tyler Perry studio you can shoot music videos all that yall have done things in there already. It's my man Showbiz, the showroom, ATL. You know what I'm saying? Follow that right now.

You know what I'm talking about? He does all of the promo for every rapper that comes through. Okay, then I'm one of every rapper. Okay, I guess then. Yeah, you in, baby. You in, baby. And what I'm down with, y'all down with it too. Okay. Right? Absolutely. Spawn divots. We in, we in baby And what I'm down with Y'all down with it too Okay Right?

Absolutely Spawn divots We in Jack Spawn divots We got shark platter No doubt I don't get the shark platter At Spawn Divots

No? No What's that fried shark platter? No no It's all grilled You eat shark bro? It's all grilled And it's like

Five different crab legs Five different shrimps You get You get tuna. Are we doing this on the show right now? Yeah, Swan Divots. I love Swan Divots. Right by the fucking airport.

When you get there, I don't know if you like seafood, but goddammit, this is what got me and my old lady together, because she liked the shark platter too. And you like to eat ass. Goddammit. You got a whole lot of ass. Yeah. She got a whole lot.

Yo, so anything else you want to say for me to get about it? Anything you want to promote? I think I got the book. I mean... You got the book. You got the lines.

Tell them what the book called. Called Pave. Called Pave Music. You said you got another book you're going to do, right? Yeah, I got one. It's super dope. We like 70%.

You sure you're going to release that right now? Nah, whenever you say it, boss, I'm going to do it. All right, whenever I say it. All right. Nah, whenever you say it, boss, I'm going to do it. All right, whenever I say it. All right, cool. Whenever you say it, yeah. And then...

Jackthriller.com, jackthriller.com. Everything that you need to know that's new. If you like worldstar.hiphop.com, if you like... He got a lot of stuff. ...thisis50.com, you're going to love jackthriller.com. All the independent artists and everything,

bring me your bag. I'm going to show you how to get rich with this and blah, blah, blah. And when I... I to get rich with this and blah, blah, blah. And whatnot. I got some great packages. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever.

If you want to take over, give me all your fucking money. And I guarantee you, I'm going to make that shit. Pop! Do your making of it. All right, let's still say one last thing, please. Oh, no.

Listen, man, I want to salute y'all, man. I've watched the show. It was a dope show. Good looking, man. Appreciate y'all having me. Thank you, man. And definitely appreciate y'all sticking back. I wanted to salute y'all, man. I've watched the show. It was a dope show. Good looking, man. Appreciate y'all having me. Thank you, man. And definitely appreciate y'all sticking back. I got it for y'all.

I went through these flights. They not whatever. I know it was probably through the airlines. Tell them about me, though, in this fight show. Tell them about me. Don't discount me. Let me tell you something. Jack Willard said you was here yesterday.

I swear to God. The day before yesterday. The day before yesterday. The day before yesterday. The day before yesterday. He was like, yo, yeah, I saw him. I was like, really? He said he was like, I saw you? Wow.

Yeah, yeah. He said you guys went to dinner together. The good eye. The bad eye. He said you guys had the shirt platter. I'm in this hotel. He in this hotel. So I was like, all right, we good.

So I'm standing. And then Jack's like, oh, I had thought. I had thought he was next to me. Dang, I made whatever you need to happen, happen. I to happen happen in order for you to be here right now. That's why I deserve to get 40%. 40%? 40%, wow. 40%?

You've been rich already? Come on, man. Let me eat off of you for three months. Jack is lying to me. Three months? Can I eat off of you for three months? Three months, to me. Three months? That's the go-shake. Can I eat off of you for three months? Three months, okay. But you got to say yes

to everything. Everything? Say yes to every fucking thing for the next three months. I got skits with us with all kind of niggas. With us?

With all kind of niggas, man. For sure, I appreciate you. It's Jackie, baby. It's Jackie. It's Jackie, baby. I will say this part because I really do these and I really do a lot of stuff.

But this is your house. Anytime you want to speak, anytime you want to promote anything, this is your house. But tell them what y'all did to not call us in. But tell them what you did to me, though. Yeah.

Hold on, hold on. Let him finish. Let him finish. Well, no, I'm saying that to say because I respect the show, respect you for sure, both of y'all for sure. Thank you.

Which I'll do for everybody else too. He knows that I have a tendency to be like, I ain't coming, right? So, and I, it was a thought, but that's like once I realized what it was about, I was like, yo,

I'm going to make it in some way, shape, or form. But I'm also, like I said, once again, salute you for saying what you said about staying back. And he told me that and I was like,

oh, that's super dope and I appreciate that. Because you're really a big staple in this game. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, even when I was playing with Beanie Sigourney recently,

a lot of times, some of us don't really just... Because we are humble. And we are just like, you know, whatever. Whatever we did in life. But sometimes, it's just like my good friend

Busta Rhymes says to me. He always be like, I like that you humble, but fuck that. Yeah, yeah. Like, and he's like, because he's like yo, why like if you are that dude,

you know what I'm saying, when you walk in the room you might as well just capture that shit, you might as well just be it. And just in case you don't know that's what our show is about. Everyone's saying giving flowers, we started that slogan. We didn't make up the slogan,

but we started that slogan because so many people after you got 10 years or more they want to say that you washed up or you whatever that's not what it should be and rock and roll is no word for washed up and jazz is no word for rock washed up and all this our society our community our our government for lack of a better term us we gotta keep give each other the roses we gotta keep bigging each other up i gotta keep telling you how dope it was and even though i might have took it personally my source of voice maybe you probably didn't deserve it like the next real talk yeah you know i'm saying like when i look back at the album sales and i say oh okay damn i can see where that was coming from but you know i'm young back then i'm 18 years old i wanted to win everything but that's a beautiful

thing that's a beautiful thing And like I said Like for us It's always to praise each other Like because who else Is going to do it If I ain't going to say to you Yo Silk man I don't know what type of year You had

That's how I knew What type of When the albums was Without Googling Because I knew When the shit was dropping I was like whoa And like

And I'm playing in the game So why wouldn't I say that To your face Why wouldn't I tell you how great you are? Why wouldn't I say, you know what I'm saying, how much you meant to the culture, to the society, to the community? And not only just you,

but your overall label. The shit that y'all did in its entirety is just mean so much. So we got to give you your roses. We got to show you love. You a motherfucking legend. You a motherfucking legend. You a motherfucking legend. Let's take a couple of pictures.

Wait, wait, wait. But do I get my roses for getting the nigga? No, no, no. No, no, no. It's not worth it. All right, you got to take some pictures. No roses. After they take pictures.

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