Drink Champs - Episode 278 w/ Grandmaster Caz

Episode Date: September 10, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the super legend Grandmaster Caz!Casanova Fly aka Grandmaster Caz shares his origin story, the early fashion styles of hip-hop and how his then unpublished lyrics were plagiarized for the hit song “Rapper’s Delight”. Caz also shares stories of The Cold Crush Brothers, DJ Kool Herc and the elements of Hip-Hop and how they intertwine with everything.Comedian Russell Peters also joins the conversation as Grandmaster Caz shares incredible stories from Hip-Hop’s early age, don’t sleep!Make some noise for the legendary Grandmaster Caz!!!💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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There's radio. There's other ways for the new artists. We wanted to show love and respect to people that came before us, some people that came on the side of us, and some people that came behind us. But today's episode is super super super special we've had legends but we this is

a new word that I made up yesterday it's a more legend he's like an immortal legend from the first hip hop record that was commercially released bit off a ham they stole his bars this man has been around

relentless he's been there when hip hop was there and he had control over it he had a pulse in the game it wasn't just like he was around just being there no he had his own it. He had a pulse in the game. It wasn't just like he was around just being there. No, he had his own. This man is a legend.

He's still here. He deserves his flowers. He deserves some cognac. And we're going to have fun and we're going to get into his business. This is what I like to call a super legend. In case you don't understand or don't know what the fuck is going on right now, we have Grandmaster motherfucking Kaz in the back.

Now, me doing my research, right? To tell you the truth, we've been doing this, what, almost six years? We're in our sixth year, yep. We're going on our sixth year. I'm not trying to gas you up. This was the funnest research I've ever done. Because everything that I researched from you, it led me to something else.

And it led me to... This is the reason why I like... If I ever got a chance to speak to young artists, I would tell them, it's good to go pave the way. It's good to go look at that. So, with you, your history is so rich. It's so like,

but one of the illest things that I did not know was Sugar Hill's rap of the, what is it? Rap of the Life. He outright stole your lyrics? Yeah, pretty much.

He said his name in the lyrics. Pretty much. So can you describe for the people who's not listening, the first hip-hop, not especially the first hip-hop record, but the first hip-hop record was released commercially. Or that went commercial. Yeah, it went commercial. Yeah, the first commercial hit for hip-hop.

Okay, so what happens? Because when this record comes out, which I did not know, the community hated this record. Yeah, pretty much. Like, the early hip-hop community, you know what I mean? Like, who is this?

What is this? Like, who are these niggas? Because rappers back then would come to the Bronx or come downtown. So y'all pretty much all knew each other. Exactly, exactly.

And for somebody to come out of nowhere with three people like nobody knows, like, who the fuck is they? Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? We wasn't out in New Jersey. We didn't know cats was out there doing things out there in Jersey. Apparently they were, but our attitude here was like, who the fuck is they? You felt like it was a boy band coming out of here.

Kind of, kind of, yeah. Put together, like, yo, can you rap? Come here. Come over here. Hey, you? You felt like it was a boy band coming out of here. Kind of, yeah. Put together like, yo, can you rap? Come here. Come over here. Hey, you? You too? Come here. Come with me. That type of thing. But I mean, how he got the lyrics in the first place, Hank was down with me. He was managing my group, which was called

The Mighty Force back then. Wow. He had to get a job in New Jersey to pay back the loan he took out to refurbish our sound system. When he started managing us, he took out a loan from his parents for like two stacks, which was bread back then. And we got bigger speakers, better amplifiers, all that, so we could go out and bust niggas' ass when we go out to play. And in order to pay back the loan, he got the job in a pizza shop in Jersey where Sylvia Robinson happened to be looking for people.

You know, and somebody seen him in the pizza shop with a boombox. That's Sugar Hill Records for people that don't know. Right, Sugar Hill Records, Sylvia Robinson, head of Sugar Hill Records. He used to take a boom box to work with him every day and be playing my tapes in the boom box. My practice tapes

or tapes I record for my parties. So he's in there flipping dough and shit, you know what I mean, making pizzas and just rhyming along with the tape. People coming in

and out of the joint like figure, hey, this guy's a rapper. Hey, this guy's a fucking rapper. You know what I mean? So when Sylvia started looking for people, you know, somebody led her that way. And he came out, you know, and it was like, yo, could you come out? We want you to.

And instead of this nigga, like, well, nah, I don't rap. But I manage Casanova Fly. He just took your shit. That was what he was supposed to do. I't rap now I don't rap but I managed Casanova fly he was a manager but he didn't he just got in the car repeated all the stuff that was on the tape they loved it and it was like you in and so they put him down but the other two was rappers G and Mike was part of like a hit DJ group. You know what I mean?

Sound on Sound. Wow, Sound on Sound. I used to go to the studio called Sound on Sound. Sound on Sound out in Jersey. You know what I mean? So yeah, they were, I'm not going to say Bronx caliber MCs, but they was rappers. You know what I'm saying? And I spoke to them on their podcast, and they acknowledged what had happened.

He said, you all are cool now. Oh, yeah, we cool now. I mean, we cool. As far as that goes. No, no, I mean, we as cool as we can be. You know what I mean? They can't give me no back money. It ain't on them.

So, I mean, we cool. They didn't even know. What? That they was making money? No, they didn't know that Hank had bitten his rhymes. Oh, the other two should have hugged. No, they didn't know. They was amazed at this nigga.

Oh, they thought he was ill. They was like, this motherfucker's the truth. He's saying shit that none of us, you know what I mean? Because if you listen to Rap is Delight, niggas is like hip to the hippity hop to the hop. And Hank is like, that's me,da-da-da-da-da-da-da. That's me, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

He said his name in the rhymes. That's the craziest shit. Like, when you hear that, what are you thinking? I'm thinking... When do you hear that? What's the first time you hear it? Was it the last verse? He was the last verse on the song, right? No, he was the second. He was the second. Come on, Hank, sing that song. Check it out. I'm the C-A-S and the O-V-A and the rest is

your color. That's my name. He says his name in the verse and he kept the name in there. Back in the day, I think Lovebug was one of the first people I heard spell out their name. And when Cats first started rapping... Lovebug Starsky.

Yeah, Lovebug Starsky. Rest in peace. Okay. And when Cats first started rapping, they were Bucks, Starsky. Yeah, Love, Bucks, Starsky, rest in peace. Okay. And when Cats first start rapping, they were just using whatever cadence was out. Whatever, you know what I mean? So actually, people were saying, I'm the L-O-V-E-B, not realizing,

nigga, you saying that you somebody else. Me included. And I was mortified when I found out I was saying that I'm somebody else's name. So from then on, I fact-check my shit before I say anything.

Nigga, I'm me. I'm not him. I'm not this. I'm not that. So that's when I came up with I'm the C-A-S-N-O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y. I spell out my name, nigga. So there cannot be another rhyme like that. There is no other Casanova fly.

So let me ask you something. Were you more mad that the record was perceived to be whack, or were you mad that this guy is actually biting my lyrics, or was it evenly mad at both? I wasn't mad that the record was perceived to be whack because it wasn't perceived to be whack. This shit was a hit. Right.

It was a hit. Now, when he gave it to me, I had two, like, the first copies when he first got them and brought them to my house it was like yo check it out and i put shit on the turntable i let it play i'm like yeah all right all right oh shit all right all right after a while i like fall asleep that shit was like 20 minutes long that's a long record yeah i mean and the flyer shit on it, and hey, it's the shit I was saying, you know what I mean? So I wait to hear my rhymes in it, and then it'll be like, all right.

But nobody thought it was, the hip-hop community thought it was whack. Us niggas who think everybody is whack but us, you know what I mean, type shit, we didn't have, we wasn't open-minded like we are today. Everybody was whack to us. So you know these niggas was way off the chart. So when the song came out, the song was trash to us, but we knew at large this shit was a fucking hit.

And this is what set the stage for rap and hip-hop music in mainstream America. You know what I mean? Was I bitter about it? You're fucking right. I'm supposed to be in the Sugarhill Gang. Not that I wanted to be in the Sugarhill Gang. I thought you said it.

Okay, but had that went the way it was supposed to be, I mean, my life would have been different. You don't know what the fuck would have been. I'll tell you what, the Sugarhill Gang would have been a whole lot fucking doper. Right. All right? Because back then, I thought it was interesting to see that you guys really wasn't recording music.

You guys were just making music live. Facts. So how did that transition? It was after Rappers Delight? Well, we were recording our parties. So that was the first recordings of hip hop. Those tapes, those cassette tapes. That's the way hip hop started to spread.

First locally, you know, domestically, and then overseas because Cats was going in the army. Cats was going in the service and stuff and taking their music with them, taking them cassette tapes. So they'll be in Germany, they'll be in wherever they stationed at. And that's what exposed that music to other people like what's that shit you listening to yo this is hip hop

from back home this and this and that so that was one of the first vehicles that helped it to spread and then when the rap music came out the records came out

that changed the whole motherfucking you know the paradigm of what it was it was like now you gotta do this to be successful.

I think we were the last group that performed. Cold Crush? Yeah, the Cold Crush Brothers was the last hip-hop group from the first group that could survive

without a record, without a hit record. Because once that record thing came into play, you had to have it. It changed everything. You know what I mean? So we had a little longer run than most

without a hit record. Now, back in the days, y'all was dressing weird. Yeah, blame that shit on the Furious Five. It was the Furious Five. They always wanted to say, yeah, everybody copied our style. And everybody, yeah, we did. We copied it.

Yeah, we did. We copied it. Yeah, we did. No, because I'm looking. I'm looking. So, like I said, I'm doing my research. And that was a part of time in hip-hop where everyone always says that,

like, yo, the original hip-hop was dressed like rock stars. And now, like, since Lil Wayne kind of, like, took on that rock star persona,

I kind of see it coming back. But, go ahead. It's a different persona, though. You know what I mean? Well, it's a different era. So what a rock star looked like back then is different from what a rock star looks like today. And it was really punk rock, right?

Well, kind of mixed. The thing was, how it started for the Furious Five, I don't want to speak for nobody, but me and my relationship with Melly Mel, we talk all the time. Right. And pretty much the whole group. Yeah, I know the history. And so once they started making records with Sugar Hill, they went on the road with groups

like Cameo and the Bar-K's. You know what I mean? They were looking more disco style. So they started emulating the look of stars. You know what I mean? Rick James. You know what I mean? We want to separate ourselves from the way the audience looks.

And I believe in that wholeheartedly. You know what I mean? You go to a show. I don't want to see a nigga look like me. So they kind of initiated that as far as hip-hop is concerned. When they came off the road, they had niggas making leather outfits with furs and tassels hanging off them and all kind of shit. And it was like, us, we had an excuse for it. We had the record, Punk Rock Rap.

So we were trying to merge the two energies, the hip-hop energy. Before Run DMC did Walk This Way. Y'all was doing it first. Let's make some noise for that. Go ahead. Keep going. Yeah, this was before that. Let's make some noise for that. Go ahead. Keep going. This is mad interesting to me, guys. I need to drink something.

Oh, yeah, we got you Hennessy. We got you D'Ussé Black Ola. We got you Hennessy. Let's get it. Let's get it. Please, please, please. Hey, take a shot already, man. I'm in.

I got my Japanese habiki, baby. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. Let's go, baby. Yo, listen. We're going to set it off. We're going to set it off right. All right.

Grandmaster Cass, we don't know if you know. Our show is about giving legends their flowers when they're alive. We started that. We didn't make up the slogan, but we started to spread that slogan. And let me just tell you something. In case you don't know, you are appreciated. You are a legend. I went and searched your history.

I damn near tears came out of my eyes when I was walking because I was like, damn, I thought I knew everything about you. And then it just kept going and I didn't know the rappers that like shit. I definitely, that's, I didn't know that shit. Some people, that's the only thing they know about you. Yeah, no, I knew everything. So we're going, we're going motherfuckers salute you while you motherfucking here.

Let's do the flowers thing now, man. Let's do, where you at, Kev? Yeah, yeah. This is the first time we actually was here. Second time. Scarfy's the first time. Yep. But look, this is actual flowers.

These are real flowers, and this is for you. That's right. That's for you, god damn it. Makes the noise. Oh, shit. Ah, that's right. That's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

We're getting real flowers. God damn. Jesus, man. This is hard to open up. Come on. Come on, rest of the pizza. Get your ass in here. Come flowers, goddamn. Jesus, man, this is hard to open up. Come on, come on, rest in peace. Get your ass in here. Come on, man. Come on. Are you smoking, too? Goddamn, what you guys talking about?

Oh, fuck it. That's the last time I smoked a chip. That all fucked up. Let's go, baby. Yeah, I already told him about that. So, um... Whoo, what were we talking about? Okay, we were talking about the... I'm going to switch it up a little bit. Because I really want to know your opinion on this. Okay. Did you watch Versus the other night? Yes, I did.

Yes, I did. How y'all niggas doing? I'm so glad that you brought that up. Okay. That was the first Versus I ever watched. Okay. Wow. Wow.

Okay. First one I ever watched. I don't know what you want to say. What did you think of it? Listen. This nigga, Jadakiss Put hands and feet On them niggas

He sure did He showed you What a real MC Is supposed to do He did what a real MC Any nigga Who consider himself A real MC

That's what he was supposed to do. And that's what he did. And the DJ for the box. The DJ, yes. You know, if he wasn't on point, that would have fucked shit up. But, I mean, Jada just commanded that shit. And with all that angst going back and forth, all that, oh, get the fuck. Anybody could have lost their poise out there.

Yeah. Jada kept his poise throughout that shit. Right. Okay, and they paled in comparison as far as entertainers and MCs.

Let's take a shot. You ready? All right. That's my opinion. Okay, no, we're going to keep going. We ain't in it. We ain't in it with that

because I want to, because you know I got to ask, how did you feel when you heard them rhyming on the vocals? Salud. Take a shot first. I do a pop-up with these cats. It's called Bugs and Bars. You know, we got vendors, we sell weed.

Mm-hmm. And we have like a rap contest. Mm-hmm. The first thing I tell all these young niggas... What the fuck was that? Hold on. What? What was that noise?

Oh, that was him. Oh, that was him. I was like a rabbit. You just rolled a rabbit up your head. The first thing I tell these niggas... Don't rhyme on the boat. Don't rhyme over your motherfucking music. Right.

Every last one of them that come up, do the same thing over, put their vocal track on and rap over it. That's the most unprofessional shit that you can do. Even when you ain't a professional.

So when you are a professional, you know better than that shit. Especially if you got hit songs, motherfucker, ain't like nobody know your music and you gotta throw the vocals on to kind of, you know better than that shit. Especially if you got hit songs, motherfucker. Ain't like nobody know your music and you got to throw the vocals on to kind of, you know what I mean? You got hits already.

Right. You got to be able to rock your shit. And that was the main point that killed him. Because like me, I've been in the game 24 years now, right? But I do have records where I've never collected the instrumental. I only got two. I got sometimes, I don't have the instrumental to that and I don't have the instrumental. I only got two. I got sometimes, I don't have the instrumental to that, and I don't have the instrumental to I'm leaving.

So when I perform them, I let the beat play, but when it comes to my vocals, I put the vocals all the way down so everyone knows that I'm rhyming above this shit, and they know that I ain't lip syncing. You either put the vocals down or you bring your vocals up.

Right. You know what I mean? If you rhyming over your track, you rhyme over your track. Right. You understand what I mean? If you rhyming over your track, you rhyme over your track. You understand what I'm saying? Because everybody got joints where they ain't got no instrumental to it. It happens to me all the time,

but that's how I learned how to emote and go over my shit. And the flow got to match. Exactly. If it don't match up, it sounds sloppy. It sounds like two niggas. You know what I mean? So yeah, that was important.

That was important, and that was a dope point that he made, and that was a big reason for the L. I mean, if you would have just played each other's records and nobody got on to perform, it would have been a little closer. But the performance part of it is what took him over the top. It was funny, because it reminded me of you guys. What was it, the Furious Five?

Fantastic Five. Oh, Fantastic Five. Yes, you guys. And it reminded me of what you said. You said you thought you lost that night, but you went back and listened to the tape, and you said according to the tapes, it was different. It wasn't me that thought we lost.

It was, you know, we lost to the crowd. You know, in the crowd, they said who won. They cheered for them. They cheered for us. But they cheered louder for the Fantastic Five. You know, mostly, I mean, you know, females. And, but because it was the visual. It was the excitement of the moment.

They was the last ones on and all that. But when you went home and took that tape home and you just listened, without all them visuals, without all that, just listened, you was like, wait, fuck out of here. Them niggas bust their ass.

Them niggas don't sound better than me. You know what I mean? So that was on us to get our visuals up. And they had Eyeline on too. And four of them is light skin. So we didn't have a chance.

We didn't have a shot. We talking 1981, my dude. Oh, shit. That's some legend after shit right there. Let's go. Give me your light. Give me whatever the hell you want, brother. That's a super dog lighter too.

God damn it. Shameless club. So back then, this record comes out, Rap is the Delight, right? Are everybody saying, is that now what people are saying? Because at first, it was important to have your tape circulating throughout the city and things like that. So, does that shift that everyone wants to be on records now?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was a shift that made people, okay, oh, we can make records? We can put this shit on I didn't think that was something that was possible exactly. Nobody was thinking that way too close. We got to it Me and my first DJ partner disco is all right On the first Hispanics in in hip-hop and most of the first Hispanics in hip-hop was down with me Wow

Charlie chase Hispanics in hip-hop was down with me. Wow. Shout out Charlie Chase. Disco Whiz, Friends Whip-a-Whip, Charlie Chase, Joe Conzo. Goddamn, make some noise. Alright. I fucked with my boricuas. I'm here in Puerto Rico, I'm fucking with my boricua. We fucking with you back, let's go. So, just that association, you know, just, I mean, just differentiated, you know, me from... Because I imagine, I'm sorry to cut you off, because I imagine at first, especially with Rap is the Light, and especially even my day, like, at first it used to be whack to be on the radio.

At first it was like, like yo like you was selling out you didn't want to be commercial you wanted to stay underground that was us with our dumb asses we didn't want to make a record we didn't want to we didn't want to go to a label

really when Rapper's Delight came out it was labeled the labels that was out was Enjoy Enjoy, wow Bobby Robinson may he rest in peace.

God bless. Whose son is Ronnie D from the Disco 4. Wow. May he rest in peace. Wow, God bless. Okay. Well, Bobby had the whole roster of early hip-hop artists. He had The Furious 5, The Treacherous 3,

The Fearless 4, Pumpkin and the All-Stars. I mean, and the band that he had, had all their music sounded tight. We didn't want to go run and enjoy because they had signed all these other people before them.

So it's like, we ain't going to get on the back of nobody's line. We'd ride those niggas out the street. And Russell's not involved at all. No, Russell's not involved. Russell's like on the fucking with Curtis Blow. Okay, oh yeah, that's right. You know what I mean?

And when Run was Curtis Blow's DJ. That's right. Damn, I lost my thought. What were we talking about? You were saying you didn't want to sign to the label.

Didn't want to sign. Yeah, we didn't want to sign to the label. We was like, yeah, that's corny. Fuck records. I mean, we playing at Harlem World. We playing at Bridgeport. We playing at this and this and that. But little by little, label we was like yeah that's corny fuck fuck records i mean we we playing in harlem world we

playing bridgeport we playing and this and this and that but little by little the you know what the the requiem or whatever you want to call it changed for you being hot or not you could be hot in the street but if you don't got no record, right? We was headlining when new edition came out Wow Well Ronnie Bobby Ricky and Mike Yeah, yeah, they opened up for us Run DMC opened up for us Back to make some noise so far For us that was more important because we didn't see

that the future was just going to be records. And then, after you got hit records, then you do the performance. There's not a lot of people who don't make records out here doing shows

and shit that's viable. Yeah, the show's coming second. So, but, in hindsight, you know what I mean? We could have gotten

the back of anybody's bandwagon or whatever and made our way to the fucking front of it. You know, but because we went another route, our commercial success didn't compare with our ground level success. Right. And our show, which was the best show in hip-hop at the time, didn't translate to vinyl. Wow. We weren't able to translate that energy that we brought to the stage and that, you know, to vinyl. So what was the second hit? Because I think it was Rappers Delight, then it was another record, and then it was The Message, right?

It was two records before Rappers Delight. The intros, pretty much, was King Tim III. Okay. Okay. And then Jocko, Rhythm Talk. Wow. By Jocko, the 50s radio DJ. Wow. Had to join with the Fatback Band. And then after Rap is the Light, what was that?

After Rap is the Light, oh, a sequence came out with Funk You Up. Okay. They started... They started signing everybody. The Crash Crew, the Treacherous D, Busy B was over there at one time. So everything for a while was Sugar Hill, Sugar Hill, Sugar Hill.

They had it unlocked. Before Def Jam, Sugar Hill was the hip-hop thing. What years is this? We're talking from 79 to like 82, 83. Late 70s, early 80s. Even 84, yeah, into the early 80s. You know what I mean? Until like 84 when Def Jam started and Run-D.M.C.

And I'm just, that was like from Run-D.M.C. on, it was just different from there on. They was the dividing line between our era and the next era. Now recently we just saw that De La Soul, God bless them brothers, they finally got their masters back. Make some noise for that, brother. All right, well done.

How do you feel about that? Is that a struggle that you go through? Yeah, my group went through, but we don't got as many masters as De La Soul does. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, we had to struggle with the record company and shit many masters to stay like sold you know what i'm saying right but yeah we had to struggle with the record company and shit like that because they were you know like doing licensing deals with our music and stuff like that with us not knowing shit about

it and wow all kind of wild shit and like i said we don't got the biggest and longest catalog but i don't give a fuck if it's one thing if it's three dollars nigga that's my three dollars you understand what i'm saying and i want it what god damn so um yeah yeah we went through the lawyer thing and did what we had to do you know to get our shit returned to us that now we are in control we don't own it outright yet but we own you can't do nothing with it without god damn that type shit right um we did a joint for apple not too long ago for the iPhone 11, and they used our song. You know what I mean?

And boom, you got the break. Boom. So that was a good look. Fucking A. Back then, they would have got all that money. They would have got all that money, but we know better now. I'm not really understanding how you couldn't get a piece of Rapper's Delight. What was the business model that doesn't allow you to do that when he's clearly saying your name in the verse?

The business model is the crook model. That's the model, motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? How can someone not say, he plagiarizes shit. He got my name in it. These niggas don't know no better. Rob them, model. Meaning them or you as well?

Them. Okay. That whole record industry, I mean that's part of the record business, especially back then you know what I mean? because none of us knew nothing we were just happy to be on the record and that shit goes back to all the way back to

you know what I mean the artists from back in the day we're just happy to do what we do and be on the record and get famous from it we don't learn later on you know how fucked over

we've been you know until it you know it sets in sets in on all of us at some point when you think about

I heard that back then that Sam Cooke was the only black man who owns his master and then all of a sudden no one can tell you how he died

facts like no one should they say about Prince. Yeah, I guess, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. As soon as you start talking that independent from the system shit, you a target.

Yeah. All right. In anything, in anything. All right. You want to do another shot? I'm doing another shot. All right. I'll do it.

That's your drink. Do a shot, though. Let's do a shot. OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. Sapper, you don't want the whiskey, do you? No. You don't want to mix it up. Don't mix it up. Let me know Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. Sapper, you don't want the whiskey, do you?

You don't want to mix it up. Don't mix it up. Let me know if you want some whiskey. Come on, I'm going to drink, champ. Okay, all right. Let's do it. Let's do it. You got your little ice and shit in there. Let's do that, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to put it in this cup. This is good. Now, this is that Japanese whiskey right there. All right. Here, if you want some ice in there, take some ice. I don't even want to touch it myself. Cheers, brother.

Thank you, brother. Yo, it's a motherfucking Grandmaster Cab. I'm mad happy, bro. I'm like a kid in a candy machine right now. Fuck, I'll do it. It's right there. It's in front of you. Salud, my brother.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's a question I ask everybody who comes here, but you can actually really, really answer this question. Did you ever think hip-hop would make it this far? No, but I always hoped that it would or could. It had the potential. Yeah, yeah. But I'm stopping you for a second because, why?

Why, because was it just like a basement party type of thing when it first invented, or I'm curious to hear you. You gotta understand. Yep. When we first started doing hip-hop people looking at us like what the fuck is wrong with you like what the fuck is you imagine you know from the from the dancing you know what I mean from the break dancing especially I mean the fuck y'all rolling around on the floor for fucking up your clothes that was the attitude

yeah I fuck my clothes a lot, yes. And then if you, and you can't go, you can't be at a party and ask a girl to dance, yo, what's up, shorty, you want to dance? And then bring her out to the dance floor

and start spinning on the fucking floor. All right? Bitch is like, what the fuck is wrong with this nigga? You know what I mean? So,

if we was on our own with this shit for a while, before it got cool to other people, our parents, our friends, y'all ain't going to never get nowhere doing that hippity-hoppity shit. They ain't even take the name of this shit seriously. Play with that hippity-hoppity shit.

All right, motherfucking drug dealers. Oh, you going to fuck with them hip-hop niggas, huh? They tell our bitches, oh, yo, you going to fuck with them hip-hop niggas, huh? They tell the bitches, oh, yo, you going to fuck with them hip-hop niggas over there, huh? So it wasn't a positive thing for a while, man. I mean, today, it's the fucking biggest genre of music in the fucking world. That's crazy.

Had I known, I would be a real dickhead if I sit here and tell you, yeah, I knew it would be this big, and I ain't got this much percent of this shit. If I knew I had an inkling this shit would group to the extent, I would own the name hip-hop.

Yes, that's weird. Everything connected to this shit would have to go through me. Right. Right. Or at least me and my peers. I mean, me, cool, hurt. You know what I mean?

Flash. Flash. You know what I mean? Mel. You know what I mean? Like a council. You know what I mean? And have a union of this shit

that we would have had a hole on hip-hop. Whereas there can't be a hip-hop chicken store in Baltimore. Right. Hip-hop motherfucking fried chicken, my nigga. I got the box in my house word

so I mean what other entity you know that anybody could just take it and just run with it and do what the fuck they want with it

that's real talk yeah hip hop you can't do that shit with nothing else yep so because there were no there was no organized union, nobody sat down, set no rules, bylaws or whatever. Nobody trademarked this shit.

There's no ownership of hip hop. So now it could be a hip hop, any fucking thing you know what i mean and that's that's nasty what wasn't zulu nation trying to do stuff like that zulu nation has always tried to organize hip-hop i mean first you know through the family you know first making it a organization you know based on the principles of peace unity love and having, and having fun. You know what I mean? As far as a business model, that was based around Bambaataa and his musical endeavors and stuff like that and other things they got into.

But what they did early on was unite us under one umbrella called hip-hop. Hip-hop didn't have a name when we started. We didn't start out, let's do the hip-hop. Hip-hop didn't have a name when we started. We didn't start out, let's do the hip-hop thing. Nah. The name hip-hop came from a cadence in marching.

Explain that, please. Yeah, I don't... Grandmaster Flash was playing at a party, and one, a cowboy, Keith Cowboy, one of his emcees, may he rest in peace, was going into the army next day.

So he's fucking with him on the mic. He like, yeah, so-and-so. I forgot the dude's name. Somebody know, but I forgot his name. He was like, yeah, so-and-so, this and that. Yeah, you having a good time now. You partying now, but tomorrow, your ass gonna be getting up at the crack of dawn like,

here, ho, here, ho, here, ho. You know that cadence when they walk, here, ho, here. That's where hip-hop came from. It's fucking you up right now. It's crazy. And then that cadence became repeated so much. It became like a signature thing,

here, ho, here, until hip until hip hop the words hip hop form and then lovebug starsky was the one who really kind of took it over the top with the hip the hop the hip hip the hop the hop the hop hip hip hip hip hip hop was the most repeated phrase throughout our conversation so hip hop became the name of our culture. Goddamn, make some noise. Now, moving around a little bit, we bouncing around. Something that I didn't know,

DJ Hollywood, right? I didn't know DJ Hollywood was considered disco. Why didn't you know that? Because what was the song that he had at one point? Woo-tang, woo-Tang Wu-Tang I don't wanna go to my honey bun and have a piece of that yum yum yum

before I go to bed no doubt I didn't know that wasn't considered hip hop well Hollywood precedes hip hop you know what I mean and Hollywood is kind of in a difficult place you know between hip hop and what happened before hip hop you know what I mean? And Hollywood is kind of in a difficult place between hip hop and what happened before hip hop. You know what I mean?

He was a direct influence on what came next. The next generation of DJs, you know what I mean, got whatever they got from DJ Hollywood. Because like T-Pain, Future, all of them people who use melodic music, got to kind of give it to Hollywood. Well, I mean, yeah, he was that, you know, crowd rocker, that call and response king. Wow. He had a rapport with the audience. He was funny, and he was like that.

But MCs, as we know MCs today, you know what I mean, you throw a beat on, and these niggas get it in. Right. That didn't come until our generation. Wow. And there was a time if you went to a club that Hollywood was playing in, you couldn't get in with sneakers, first of all. Yeah, you had to dress up. You had to dress up.

Have a haircut, Sean. And if they caught your ass breakdancing in that motherfucker, they broke you. Security. When I found that out, that shit hurt me. Yeah, yeah. So that's part of the mystique why people say Hollywood is not, you know, it's hip-hop. Because he

precedes hip-hop. But he definitely influenced hip-hop. Right. I can see that. I can see that. So, what's your favorite part of hip-hop? Is it making a record or performing a record? Records is not really my my forte so to speak i haven't had uh i just haven't had that constant studio environment that you know a lot of artists have. Like Pac, for example.

When Pac came home, Pac lived in the studio for two fucking weeks or months or whatever. He went from studio to studio to studio. You know what I mean? In order to become that prolific, you have to be in demand like that. LL Cool J,

11 albums. Who the fuck makes 11 albums who gets to make 11 albums in hip-hop maybe now because you independently you can make 100 but who gets signed to a label to 11 fucking album deal and successful albums too exactly most of them. So, come on, keep it on. 100 being capped, that's good. But, but I mean, but that's the thing.

So the opportunities that you have, you know, have a lot to do with how productive you are. You know what I mean? Today, you can make a record

in your house and it sounds just as good as, you know. Some of them don't sound good. Some of them don't sound good. I ain't say all of them. I said you could.

I said you could. Theoretically. Theoretically. I'd be like, you better go hire an engineer. Like, yeah, that shit sound like you made it in your house. One dude be out there bragging about, yo, I'm my engineer. You need an engineer, nigga. Don't be bragging about being your own producer.

That's a bad reference to your engineer. So this is famous Jay-Z line, right? He said, I'm overcharging niggas for what they did to the cold crush. Where you at when you hear this? And is you saying, yeah? Or is you saying, nigga, what you doing, ma? Well, I'm going to tell you what happened. You know, H of the Izzo came out, boom, boom, this and this and that.

So now my phone started ringing off the hook. Yeah. Yo, yo, you heard Jay-Z? Said he gonna charge us? Yeah,

yeah, yeah, I heard it, I heard it. Yo, Jay-Z gonna, like, like,

like all day, one of them type shows. So, like somebody, I was just sitting there, somebody asked me, yo, what you think about that Jay-Z,

you know, overcharging? I said, I think, you know, he's robbing from the rich in the name of the poor. I love that.

I love that. I love that. Now, Robin Hood robbed from the rich and gave it to the poor. Right. That's a caveat of what you said. He robbed from the rich in the name of the poor

like I'ma tax all you motherfuckers out there extra okay for what you didn't give these niggas right here but he didn't give these niggas right here it wasn't trickle down and come out

so what am I gonna think of I think it was a statement. You know what I mean? You know Jay, he's a clever motherfucker. If it rhymed, when he come to it, it's like,

okay, all right, yeah, I'm going to throw that in. But I mean, we didn't get a call from Jay, no, now bank accounts went up

and none of that shit. So it was just, you know, another clever Jay-Z line. Yeah. No, but I understood what he was saying. But my point is this.

Let me ask you. Was there a room? Were you going through something with the label at that time? No, he's just saying in general. No, no. First of all, I would like to talk to Jay and be like, what did they do to the cold crush? That's what I'm asking.

What you know that we don't know. I know they did something. I know they did something. What did they do to the cold crush? That's what I'm asking. What you know that we don't know? I know they did something. I know they did something. You know and I know that they did something. Holy moly. I'm like, you know what I mean? I mean, there's a lot of industry secrets

and shit like that that went on back in the day. Niggas got black balls for the... You could have been fucking one of these niggas joints, you know what I mean? And for that reason, you don't get signed to a record label or some shit like that. So people are people, wherever you go. So there's

a lot of reasons for people being where they are and people not being where they are. Right. Do you believe in that? Like blackball and shit in the industry? Oh, hell yeah. You know. Knock it off, Norris. I mean.

Knock it off, Norris. No, that exists, man. You hear him? Listen, I'm going to be honest. It might not be as organized as you think it is. It's not as organized as you think it is. But it is. It's a thing where people tell people, like, yo, don't fuck with this shit.

This is how I look at it, me, in my opinion. There is something that exists, but then there's certain shit that's just common sense. It's like, just to give an example, a little Uzi Vert says,

fuck Grandmaster Caz, right? And then wants to do drink champs that week. And we say, nope. We with Caz. People might take that as that's being blackballed, but that's just And we say, nope. We were cats. People might take that as that's being blackballed. But that's just standing with my homie. But that is

being blackballed too. No, no. Everybody stop fucking with you. But it's the beginning of that. If you can't get signed to a record deal no more, or if you ain't getting shows, or niggas ain't, your whole shit stopped, that's getting blackballed. I mean, you might get blackballed from Norrie's show, but it ain't going to stop

your whole motherfucking machine from moving. Even though that's a bad thing to get blackballed from drink chat. That's right. You got to get blackballed from drink chat. Like for instance, me and Nas had a little dispute back in the days, right?

I didn't think he was blackballing me. I didn't think he sent out the message, blackball. But at the same token, a lot of people did not want to stand next to me. Why are you beefing with Nas? I'm just being honest. I think that's a form of blackballing. I don't think. No.

I think it is. I think it could be. See, I don't think that is not. If people want to do business with you and then they stop fucking with a person because they want to do business with you and they don't want to ruffle those feathers, to me that's blackballing as well. You know what blackballing is? Blackballing is when an executive tells a motherfucker, other executives, listen, this nigga here, right here, or whatever, such and such, this and that, woo woo, don't fuck with him, all right? As a favor to me, don't fuck with him. Right, that's official blackballing.

That's blackballing. That's blackballing That's blackball now. I understand that. Every door you go to, you're shutting your motherfucking face and you don't understand why. Yeah, I understand that. Because some nigga,

you pissed some nigga off. Some nigga of influence off. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, I understand that. That I understand. And you don't believe that exists? No, I believe that exists.

But not to the level, like I said, to the level that we think. We just think like you make a diss record towards somebody and then you just blackball. It doesn't happen magically. Because everyone's really not that powerful.

The further you get... You be realizing some of these dudes is Franks. They just act like they... Some of these dudes is straight bozos. You like dissing to who I looked up to? You know what I'm saying? The further you get kinder, you make your own rules. You know what I'm saying? Some of these dudes are straight bozos. You like, this is who I looked up to? Like, you know what I'm saying? And the further you get kinder you make your own rules.

You know what I'm saying? You could get to a point where like, I swear to God I'm not bringing this up. I watched Dave Chappelle three days in a row go on stage and say the most craziest shit about transgender,

about homosexual people, about just whatever the fuck he wanted to talk about. He talked about having a fight with a bitch that was a transgender. And he said, yo, I didn't want to stop because I was winning. So what I'm saying is, Dave

is at the level where he doesn't you can't cancel him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are people that are at that level like, doesn't, you can't cancel him. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are people that are at that level like, nigga, I can shit on your, on your,

on your car, motherfucker. You ain't, you ain't gonna go away. Listen, the shit that him and Donald Rollins was saying, I was looking like, they're gonna cancel him. But then I thought about it,

I said, this guy got 40 million, he doesn't give a fuck about getting canceled? Like, so, that's what I'm saying, like certain people make it to a certain,

and he's just one of them. He talked about shit, I felt like I was in an 80s joking concert. You know what I mean? Remember back in the day, no one knew the proper words to say, no one knew not to say this, don't say this.

He was just going crazy. So, I'll say that to say that. I know I'm rambling. I'm going to do another shot. You in? Let's go. Let me in, goddamn. I'm doing another shot.

So, Kaz, Run DMC comes out. I did not know this was the drug dealer attire outfit. Because I, because, but then you guys,

you guys got eye patches, furs coming out. No, you right. You right, baby. You guys got, scruff over one eye, you know, French shit, you know what I mean?

So y'all looking at Run DMC like, what's wrong with these niggas? Nah, what happened was Russell patterned Run DMC sound behind people like my group, Cold Crush Brothers, DMC, and Run will tell you they self. You know what I mean?

They strive to be, you know, like the Cold Crush Brothers. But Jay was the street dude. Jay was the one with the style. You know what I mean? He had the look of the, so they adopted his look. If you look at them in early days, they had suit jackets on and mock necks. All right?

And so Jay kind of crafted their look. The seersucker shit. The plaid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, and so Jake kind of said look So Jake kind of crafted there did they look and then from then on you know the Adidas thing They just went through the roof with that right that must have been the first time hip-hop had a sponsor, right? Yeah Yeah, maybe I may cause like we was we was fucking with a product This is the first time but they wasn't fucking with us Nobody what the fuck we wasn't fucking with us. Right, right. Nobody was fucking.

We wasn't getting no free sneakers nowhere. That's true. We had to go to Jew Man on Southern Boulevard. You know what I mean? Like, come on, man. I need those in 13. I need two. I need two. Go in the back.

Go in the back. God damn it. You taking a shot? Salud, God damn it. Salud, God damn it. Salud. Salud. Salud to my honey Salud, goddamn. Salud. Salud to Miami, boys.

All right. Let's talk a little bit about Wildstyle. How was that? Yeah. Filming that. Wildstyle for me was like a stamp of approval. That, yeah, we wasn't wrong. Right.

This shit is real. It is important. People do, you know, want to fuck with this. When this guy, when Charlie Ahern came to our neighborhood and started scouting around and shit to see what was up. In the Bronx. Yeah, in the Bronx. This is, you know, a guy from Soho, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Down in the Lower East Side, you know, artsy kind of dude. And this is boogie down Bronx, burnt down Bronx at this time. Yeah, yeah. This is where every house is on fire. All those visuals that you see

of the Bronx during that time, that's during the time that we filmed Wildstar, early 80s. But that was kind of like

a stamp, you know, for us that, a stamp of validation in a sense that the outside world thinks this shit is cool too. Not just us. they want to document this shit somebody wants to

make a movie about this shit oh yeah so that was the first of right well yeah there was a documentary about hip-hop but about mainly graffiti right and breakdancing was a name that's I award yeah but this was like a movie with this was a movie this was more of a a movie, documentary kind of thing. Now watching it, it feels like a reality show documentary because it was like following you guys doing what you really do. Well, it's all the people that was really doing it.

There's no actors except for the people, the non-hip hop people in the movie. Everybody, every graffiti artist, every break dancer, every DJ, every MC was actually themselves in the movie. Wow. That's fucking fire. You watched The Girl I Stole Today, you said, right? Yeah, I got the VHS right here. I'm gonna have him sign it.

Let me see the VHS. Let me see the goddamn VHS, buddy. Let me see the motherfucking VHS, buddy. You got it here? Goddamn, this is legendary right here. This is the original one that I got. Wow. That's the original right there, man.

Jesus. Yo, Fab Five Freddy always had white girls. That's true. Yo, every time you bring up Fab Five Freddy, it's a white girl around him. Yeah, Freddy part of that artsy community that lower east side. He's a legend, though.

He's a legend. We need Fab Five Freddy here. Fab Five Freddy. Facts. I just want to let you know. We need to put a legend in here. Facts. I wrote one of his first rhymes. Get out of here. Yeah, man. Jesus.

I'm taking this shit. Get the fuck out of here. You get sharpie or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll do it before we leave. So yeah, Wildstyle really kind of validated

the whole movement and first time we went on tour. Wow. First time we all got on a plane together. And it was like 25 of us went to Japan. Wow. Sucky, sucky.

A lot of sucky, sucky, yeah? Oh, yeah. Now you're going to lie. Japan, yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of motherfucking episodes. A lot of fun. I mean, first time we was in front of that kind of press,

it was like everywhere we went, it was the cameras following us. You know what I mean? Do it for like overseas love us more. Oh, much more. Much more, right? I think it's because

they got a greater appreciation for our art form because they're not connected to it. Wow. You know what I mean? It doesn't come from them. They're like outsiders

looking in. So when we come there, it's like, ah, those are the people that do that thing. It's like living history for them. I'll give you

a perfect example. When we went to Japan in 82. Okinawa? No, we went to Tokyo. Tokyo. 82. It was a department store

called Seibu that sponsored the tour. So we went to, we were just hitting different places. We were doing outdoor venues. They would build like a stage in like an hour. And it's like a big stage and sound system. And we would go on and break dance and rap and DJ. And then they'd take the whole shit down before we left.

Like the whole shit be gone. That's how efficient they were back then. And we would, when they showed the movie in the theater, we would come out on the stage after the movie

and the whole place. It was show the whole, okay. Yeah, the whole movie theater just went bananas. So we was like the talk of Tokyo and we introduced hip-hop to Japan Wow

Personally just from that movie and that tour Wow we went to clubs DJ still had the big thick rubber mat on the motherfucker turntables and we would get on church and be like yo Could we cook you know? Because you can't cut with the room. No you take that Yeah, yeah, you got to take it. You got to put the rubber mat on. Pool. These niggas looking in amazement. Like, what the fuck is y'all doing?

But by the time we left Japan, when we revisited those clubs, they was doing that too. Little kids was breakdancing in the street because they saw Crazy Legs and them do an exhibition in the street. So we actually were the first impression on Tokyo for hip-hop. That movie, Wildstyle, and that tour that took us out there. Wow. That's fucking amazing, yo. Yeah, that's amazing. You think Wildstyle,

like before Wildstyle, how much do you think the culture really felt that it was all these elements were the culture because there's people that argue like these elements were put together to be hip-hop i think i think they were they were gathered together because of their their um their continuity between each other uh a lot of djs and graffiti writers or or b-boys or mcs or such and such as so into you know those those uh elements are interwoven within hip-hop and they say that graffiti is not an element of hip-hop because

graffiti's been going on since the beginning of time okay yes we do understand that but like i've said over and over again my quote hip-hop didn't invent anything. Hip hop reinvented everything. Absolutely. Okay? There's nothing new under the sun. We ain't do nothing new. People played music before us. People danced before us. People talked and rapped before us. Just like we do. Did it

way before we did. Okay? But this is our generation's reinvention of those elements and that is what hip-hop is. Wow. Goddamn, make some noise. Now, I got to ask, how did you come up with the name Grandmaster Cass?

Because, like, everybody can't call themselves a grandmaster. Nah. I mean, you can try, you know. But the origin of grandmaster, as far as hip-hop is concerned, the first hip-hop, the first DJ named Grandmaster was Grandmaster Flowers. And Grandmaster Flowers inspired Grandmaster Flash. Flash was taught by Pete DJ Jones,

who was also a legendary DJ In hip hop Flowers Flash adopted Flowers Moniker Grandmaster Flash How I became Grandmaster

My original name in hip hop Was Casanova Fly Casanova yeah We established that DJ MC Casanova Fly Now one night I'm playing in my spot, the Blue Lagoon in the Bronx, Webster Avenue, 184th.

Me and my man Disco Wiz, and I got some... By the way, everyone had the dopest names back in the day. Disco Wiz. No doubt. I'm just sorry, I'm just sorry, I'm sorry. Maybe Disco Wiz, Grand Wizard Theater.

Everybody need a baby now. A little baby, go ahead. Big baby, Big baby. Regular baby. So I'm cutting up a record. Now back then, Flash was the fastest DJ known throughout hip hop. That's when everybody and their grandmother wasn't a DJ. All right?

Hip hop community was small. Grandmaster Flash, fastest man on two turntables, right? So one night, I'm cutting up a record. I think it was I Can't Stop. And I'm cutting it back and forth. And tap. Ka-do-ka-dap-do-do. Ka-ka-do-dap-do.

And tap. Ka-do-ka-dap-do-do. And tap. Ka-ka-dap-do-do. And tap. Ka-ka-dap-do-do. And tap. Ka-ka-dap-do-do.

And tap. Ka-ka-dap-do-do. And tap. And tap. And tap. And tap. I don't attack. I didn't have to attack. I didn't have to run, run, run, run. I just kept catching it. My man was like, yo, faster, faster, faster, faster. The crowd was going faster, faster, faster. Then he started going, Grandmaster, Grandmaster, Grandmaster. The crowd started going, Grandmaster, Grandmaster. That's when I became Grandmaster, the crowd start going, Grandmaster, Grandmaster! That's when I became Grandmaster.

Woo! Oh my God. That was mad vivid. That was vivid. I'm still here. I'm still here. Oh, I does this. Come on, Russell P.

Bring your ass in here. I'm going to tell you something. Let me move this out the way. You must have made the easiest Netflix money ever. What do you mean? I watched, listen, I don't know if you ever saw State Property 2. Anybody who knows me, when they watch State Property 2, they say, Nori, you cheated.

And I say, why did I cheat? Because I didn't act at all. I was just me. That's the way to do it. When I watched The Indian Detective, I said, this guy. No, this is true. He's got a real show. The Indian is fucking phenomenal.

I just told you. I watched the whole season. I said, this guy is just being him. It's the easiest check ever. Come on, give me a real. Give me a real. Do it. You're going to see your Indian father. It's very rip. You're going to see your Indian father.

It's very cliche. You're going to see your Indian father. He's sick. They don't want to tell you he's sick. He was fake sick, too. He was fake sick. It was crazy. I loved it.

Come on, make some noise for the Indian detective. Go see it. It's on Netflix streaming right now. It's on Netflix. It sounds very racial, but it's not, ironically, because he's actually an Indian detective. Well, it's called the Indian detective because I'm an actual detective in Toronto, and then I end up becoming a detective in India. In India.

That's why. It's not like I'm walking around going, I am here to solve the crime. It's not that at all. You can do that one, too. Why did Pedro gain the weight back? You know, like, whatever. Oh, shit. Holy moly, like, whatever. Oh, man. Oh, shit.

Holy moly, guacamole. So how you know Kaz? Kaz? So Kaz I met from Mel. Mel and Mel and I have been friends for about 16, 17 years. Wow. And then he brought Kaz. He goes, hey, man.

And we was like, yo, Russ. All right. I'm going to bring a... We're going to go out and eat. I go, yeah. He goes, I'll bring Kaz with was like, yo Russ, I'm going to bring, we're going to go out and eat. I go, yeah. He goes, I'll bring Kaz with me. I go like, fuck yeah, you crazy? Hell yeah, bring Kaz. I just make him say it for no reason. How's your throat feel?

A little rough. My impression of Melly Mel is a dog. Rough. Oh, shit. So you met him through Melly Mel. I met him through Mel, and then we had dinner. We all had a great time. Then it just stayed from there. Oh, God damn it.

That's it. Let me know. And now, you know, Kaz and I are very close. And I'd say I know his whole family, but he's got too many kids to know the whole family. He's working on it. He's working his way up the tree. It sounds like he's got some kids in Japan he don't know about. He might. He might have somebody. They're breakdancing. but Russell, would you like Japanese? I sure would. We got to get Russell. Talking about Japan? Yeah, yeah.

Ask me to talk about Japan. That's a great transition. Ask him Japanese motherfuckers. Would you like a shot for him or you want him to drink stuff? I would like to start with a beverage. Okay, I don't know what that means. To sip on one. Okay, all right.

Maybe with a rock or two in it. Get this man a cup. Get this man a cup, please. Yeah, thank you. Hey, Sofari. Go ahead, please. Congratulations, man. That's the smoke champs?

Please smoke it up. Smoke champs. That's you, guys. Smoke it up. Smoke it up. Smoke it up, god damn it. You's the smoke champs? Please smoke it up. Smoke champs. That's you, guys. Smoke it up. Smoke it up. Smoke it up, goddammit. You know what I'm saying? Grandmaster Cass.

Yeah, I need about 40 of these. Yeah, we got you, man. Let me throw a couple of rocks of ice. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't want to touch the ice. That's all I'm saying. I don't give a shit. I don't like to touch another man's ice.

I'm sorry. I don't like to touch another man's ice. Listen, I appreciate you. That's for you, my brother. That's right, goddammit. And Norey. Yes, please. Norey, this is for ice. I'm sorry. Speaking of the acid, listen, I appreciate you. This is for you, my brother. That's right, God damn it. And Nori. Yes, please. Nori, this is for you.

I knew you would appreciate this. Yes, I'll appreciate anything. You know what I mean? This is my company. Woo, Queens. Holy moly guacamole. I'm going to not match it everything. I'm going to put it on right now.

All right. Throw it on right now. During the plandemic. The plandemic. Holy moly. I got very creative and I started coming up with different things that, you know.

I'm sorry. That's all right. That goes with the thing. You know what I mean? You know how I get down. But one of the things was the clothing company, and I started making up T-shirt designs and stuff like that. That was relevant to our era that people don't really do. And I partnered with this guy,

and we started collaborating. So those are just part of the hat collection. And we made that especially for you. Because we got a joint that says, Bronx keeps creating it. And you know how the shit normally goes. You'll see. You'll see.

Queens ain't never faking it. Thank you, God damn it. Thank you, God damn it. Thank you, God damn it. So let's talk about that because when I'm doing my research, it almost seemed like, I don't want to say Kool Herc did it, correct, hip hop. It seems like Kool Herc had these parties that was famous that people started to go to where he was playing this music. But then there was you guys who came after that

and you guys had your own parties. Right. Is that somewhat accurate? Let me get the light on. Go ahead. When Cool Herc was DJing, he was kind of the big guy. What was it?

Was it like August 19th? August 11th. August 11th. Which is the anniversary of hip hop is coming up in a few days. Okay. Did he start with the... Was he the one that is coming up in a few days. Okay, so first of all, tomorrow. Was he the one that started doing the breaks?

Okay, you here, hold on, hold on, hold on. The anniversary of hip hop is tomorrow. And it's hip hop month now, supposedly, in the government, right? We got a whole month now? Yeah, they created hip hop month. Oh shit, that's making no sense. Is it longer than Black History Month?

I think it's August, it's August. Wow, they gave you a good long month. So August 11th is supposed to be the first hip hop party ever, right? first documented hip-hop boy hip-hop now Let me ask you were you there? No, I was okay. I don't never claim to be Fucking room was wasn't as big as this It ain't it's not as big you fit about 60 to 75 people in there. No fucking way

you can fit them in there. If they dance real close together. Right. You know what I mean? And it was more of a family thing. Like everybody knew

everybody that was there. 25 cents for girls, 50 cents for guys to get in. All right? This is back when the dime bag was a dime? Exactly.

All right, cool. Pillows. Yeah, pillows. But the thing is not that Herc invented hip hop. Herc inspired hip hop for the people that eventually became the hip hop. Like, Herc inspired me. Herc inspired Flash. Herc inspired Melly Mel.

Melly Mel. Bam Potter. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? There was only one rival Like DJ to Herc Back then His name was Smokey And people don't talk

About Smokey a lot Smokey And the Smokatrons Wow Alright And they used to battle Herc In the PAO Smokey could fuck with him

Cause he had the records And he had the sound system I never heard of this Yo Word I'm trying to tell you There was another DJ, Disco King Mario.

From Bronx there. Disco King Mario was a force over there. You know what I mean? So these guys in their prospective areas held it down. But if you had to put them all together, they couldn't fuck with Herc's sound system. Right.

So let me ask you, right? Plus me being from Queens. Is this only happening in the Bronx at this time? Well, here's the thing. Because I know y'all went downtown at some point. Yeah, at some point.

But I want to be the first to say that I am the last motherfucker to try to say that hip-hop was only going on in the Bronx. Wow. Okay? Put us on. This kind of energy exists within us as a people.

And there's nothing that we're doing that somebody ain't over there doing at the same motherfucking time. Right. Okay, so I know that there was DJs in Brooklyn. Okay, I know that there was DJs in Queens. I know there was DJs in Manhattan. So Shan wasn't wrong when he thought that.

Hip-hop. No, Shan didn't say hip-hop started for Shan. Right, right. Hip-hop started out in the park. And you can't dispute that for nobody. You know, for Russell, hip-hop started somewhere, you know, different. He's done his research to know beyond that, but he can only tune in from a certain

perspective. Especially back then where you can't really communicate the way we communicate. And he's from Canada, too. It's true. It's two strikes. He's the Indian detective. I've done my detective work. So,

I want to go back to the question. Who was the first one That was cutting the breaks That was bringing Bringing the breaks back To create that That break beat That long break beat

For the B-Boys and B-Girls To dance to Herc played them first Yes And then other DJs Like Flash And Theodore And Breakout

Perfected How to play them. Because Herc could play a record, and then when the break go off, lift the needle up and put it back to where it started. Or just mixing a whole other record that sounds totally different. Herc wasn't cool, didn't have those smooth blends. He didn't have the turntable mechanics that DJs that followed him did. So now, Grandmaster Flash looks at the playlist

that Herc is playing and saying, okay, I'm gonna get all those records, but I'm gonna play them and do this to them. You know what I mean? Grandwood's at Theodore's, says, oh shit, Flash, you gonna leave your equipment in my brother house, unguarded? He gets up on the turntable

and invents scratching. Okay? So everybody kind of added to this thing that eventually became the culture itself. But our, the person we looked up to was Kool Herc.

And even later on, he could be an asshole, okay? But he is the father of hip-hop. As far as everybody that you respect in hip-hop is concerned. Right. So you can create another narrative and you can take it somewhere else.

Because like I said, nothing happens in no place by itself. But when they started to document hip-hop, why did they come to the Bronx? When they started to want to know about this and start to, if you look at the history of this,

why does it always lead back to us? Right. Let's lead me to my next question, right? There's a couple of books that said that it actually started in Harlem. Is there any truth to that? I think it's Simultaneously there was a movement going on in Harlem as well. Harlem was influenced by Hollywood

Harlem DJ Hollywood DJ. Okay. Okay. Okay whoo tang whoo tang hard. I don't wanna go thanks man But my honey bun give me some of that young, young, young people. I used to always want to do that record over. I used to always want to do that record. You're probably too late for that. I'm out of the record business. But the personality of the Bronx is, you know, we come from

burnt down buildings and shit like that. And Harlem's mentality is hustle. You know. The drug dealers, the hustle lifestyle to get money, the cars and all that. So Harlem's attitude toward the Bronx is like,

them niggas broke up there. And I've heard Hollywood say that himself. Shit, niggas in the Bronx was broke. You know what I mean? Because we had a different mentality. We was the creative mentality. yo shit niggas in the Bronx was broke niggas wasn't doing you know what I mean cause we had a different mentality we was the creative mentality

you know what I mean and the hustle mentality was the dope dealers and the drug dealers so we created hip hop so we didn't have to be drug dealers and dope dealers so now all the drug dealers and dope dealers is in hip hop you know what I mean but yeah originally hip hop was made out of those people that you know we don't want to do that dealers in hip-hop. You know what I mean? But, yeah, originally

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So let me ask you in these neighborhoods and these parties was coming out was it only locals or was there people what was it because when i looked at a couple of the footage i'm looking and they say these early hip-hop parties and i'm seeing white people there is these white people that lived in the hood i don't know how early okay oh this is this talk about most early early early blacks in Puerto Rico that's it Jamaicans, Caribbeans, whatever alternatives maybe a couple

Italians did he say alternatives? he swam over but yeah but basically that's what it was but it wasn't until not to say it became cool, but when it started reaching out past our neighborhoods,

you know, white people started getting involved as well. There's a couple of white, early white dudes in hip-hop trying to DJ or rap or, you know what I mean? So the influence is just great. So, and then also, I'm watching Evolution of Hip Hop, and I think it's Grandmaster Flash who says, you know what, he's going to start taking it downtown.

Was that considered whack for y'all to go downtown, or was that like, you know what, we're going to follow the bag? Now, basically, Bambaataa... And when we say downtown, we're not saying Harlem. No, no, we're talking about downtown.

We're talking downtown Manhattan. Not Harlem, Manhattan. Yeah, Manhattan. You know what I mean? The Roxy and those punk rock clubs. The Roxy was downtown? The Roxy was on 118th Street. The Roxy was a roller rink.

It was on 18th Street. Oh, 18th Street. No, 18th Street. I was going to say 118th Street. I was like, that's Harlem. And the punk rock clubs, which you're saying, those are the places that used to have hip-hop parties. That first started entertaining hip-hop as a culture.

First, the dancers really opened them up. And then the dancers need DJs. So the scratching of the DJs. See, the punk rock era and the hip-hop era started rising up at the same time. Where punk rock at now? And both of them was the rebellion. Counterculture shit. Right.

To the music that preceded it. So prior to hip hop it was disco. So, you know, hip hop is like fuck disco, we're going to do this.

Right. Punk rock is like fuck rock, we're going to do this. So those same energies was kind of coming together at the same time. So that's what opened up

the door for hip hop to come down into those clubs, into those early punk rock clubs. And then promoters grasped on to the B-Boys. The B-Boys is what captured everybody's imagination as far as drawing them into hip-hop. Gave them visual. B-Boys gave music to dance off.

Then the DJs became a mainstay, you know what I mean? So the rap element was really the last element to really kick in as far as people really digging this whole shit as a whole. And downtown, the B-Boys led the way. So what'd you think about when, okay, all this music is going, now there's this group called the Beastie Boys,

who are deliberately saying they're not from the hood. That's the result of what he's talking about, that the punk rock meets hip hop result of what he's talking about, that the punk rock meets hip-hop. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, pretty much. That's out of you. Pretty much.

The Beasties started as a punk band, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they are. That's what they come from. And I'm going to be honest. I mean... Be honest, please. Earlier, we all... I mean, from the time the next generation came out,

we understood that our era was over and the more people came out, the worse you know, it got not the worst, but the farther away it got from what we were, from the source exactly, so the Beastie

Boys for me and for some of us was kind of the defining moment like okay, this shit is gone from the source, exactly. So the Beastie Boys, for me and for some of us, was kind of the defining moment, like, okay, this shit is gone. Okay. It's gone. So at first, was you like, all right, that's cool?

Or you was like, man, they wildin'. Yeah. It was like college dorm rap. I mean, but... It was like, who the fuck related to college in the hood? It became like, okay,

you could do anything. There's no norm. There's no... You know, we weren't kumbaya On this shit man Everybody look at hip hop Like oh those guys were Nigga this shit was cutthroat man

Everybody for their self If I'm down with Russ And y'all down with each other We don't fuck with y'all We fuck with each other You might fuck with him But we don't fuck with y'all As a whole.

Wow. And that's how it was, you know. And it wasn't until later on, you know, now we all in the same boat, motherfucker. I got it. You know what I mean? We all old school now, motherfucker. Yes, yes, yes, we are. You ain't on tour, nigga.

You right here. You know what I mean? None of that shit. Because we are. You ain't on tour, nigga. You right here. You ain't none of that shit. So we kind of bonded, you know, over the shit we had in common that our shit done fucking sell. So anybody who kind of reached beyond that next era, like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, for example, kind of went beyond that first school of hip-hop the Furious Five, for example, kind of went

beyond that first school of hip-hop and into the next, you know, because they had commercial success as far as records is concerned. And there's a couple of light-skinned in there, too. Right. Yes. You know what I mean? But they did, I mean, the next crew, like I said, when the

Beastie Boys came in, it was like a more of a signal, like, this is getting further away from us, you know what I mean, the next crew, like I said, when the Beastie Boys came in, it was like more of a signal, like, this is getting further away from us. You know what I mean? Because we don't have no control. Run DMC has success, but you still identify with Run DMC. This was how y'all dressed before y'all got to the club. Beastie Boys was something that was different. Well, I think Beastie Boys was a novelty, you know, like to offset the Run

DMC. Anytime there's a black group that has success in business, they create a white counterpart group to rival that success or to surpass it, which Beastie Boys did surpass the success, commercial success of Run

DMC. But if you own both entities, then it's a no-lose situation for you. Run DMC wasn't technically on Def Jam. No, no, no. It's all Rush. It's all Rush. So for us, it was like, you know, there it is.

And then as everybody started coming in, it was like a fucking parade. You know what I mean? And the LL came, and then, oh, it's a wrap now. It's a wrap now. But it started, I mean, for me, at some point, it started getting cool.

It was like, you know what? These are the next niggas, man. These are the niggas. And I would see things in me that I know, you might not know, but you got that shit from me. I could see me in me that I know, you might not know, but you got that shit from me. I could see me in you, you know, and that's what kept me attached to this shit.

Everybody that come out is part of me. Know it or not, everybody trace back. Talk that talk. To me. Talk that talk. I'll take another shot for that. talk that talk to me talk that talk to me yep there you go I'll take another shot

for that so and then we're going to do something called Quick Time with Slam but I want to I got to ask you real quick because

as I did the research like I said it boiled down to more of not really cool Herc on records but cool Herc

on parties like throwing these jams that people were coming to. Then I started to realize that it was like you, African Bambada, Grandmaster Flash. But this is these parties. These tapes were circulating of how you guys actually partied. Is that accurate for what I'm saying?

Like, there was one mixtape that started circling around. Okay. In the, I think in the early 80s or the late 70s. Okay. That's the one that everybody credits Kaz for.

That's like, that's when, if you hear DMC do an interview, he always be like, every single time, he's like, I had that tape and it changed my life.

Wow. I didn't get what you were doing until I got it right. I was like, that has changed my mind. Nori, I mean, tell me.

Yo, salute to DMC, man. Yeah, man. Yo, he just sent me these, yo.

So, so what I'm saying is, um, it was, these tapes, the tapes that were circling around, circling around, he just sent me these, yo. So what I'm saying is, it was, these tapes, the tapes that were circling around, was it battle tapes or was it party tapes? It was party tapes and battle tapes. Okay, yeah.

You know, at first, I mean, I go back to when, if you live in my hood and you wanted a B-boy tape, like the jams that you hear at the parties, but you ain't got, cut in my house. Sit on the couch. What's your name?

What's your girl name? Where you live at? What school you go to? Who's your mans in them? All right, boom. All right, turn around, get on the mic, turn my shit on, and then play Brave Beats and just talk about the nigga throughout the tape. All right, boom. All right turn around get on the mic turn my shit on and then play great beats

And just talk about the nigga throughout the tape. I $20 All day Now I wasn't till we started doing parties and recording the entire party Those are the motherfucker tapes that started spreading and became Canada like the Holy Grail Yeah of hip-hop if you want to trace the sound if you want to hear live hip-hop at its earliest point you've got to have one of those cassette tapes it goes back to those which got sampled all throughout till now people oh yeah oh yeah yeah people use it frivolously and like i said if we would have had a controller that shit people

couldn't just people would get paid for that. You know what I mean? But I've heard numerous samples from old school tapes. I think I'm on one for Beck. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

What do you sample? It's me talking at a party. Beck? Beck, we need, Grandmaster Kaz needs to check. Yeah.

Beck? Get the check, Beck. I saw. So, yeah, I mean, those, that was how people first heard hip-hop live. So let me ask you, right? This controversy thing came out. We had KRS-One on here, and when we asked KRS-One about this, this was like three days old. So you know KRS, he be on boats. He didn't know what was going on when we asked him this question. But

it was a controversial thing that came out about African Van Botta, right? Just ripped the thing off the thing. This is one of our forefathers of hip-hop. But it wasn't only just one thing. It wasn't only just one person. It was a couple of people that came out with

these allegations. What did you think of that? I thought it was crazy. I mean, like everybody else. I know at some point people, you know, it was going around that the hip-hop community knew about this. And the hip-hop community didn't know about this. Nobody had no evidence, no everything

was pretty much speculation because BAM, you never see BAM with females that much, you know what I mean? Or a lot of young guys used to be around BAM like he had a little legion of young cats

around him from Zulu. But other than that, nobody you know like he had a little legion of young cats around him from from Zulu but other than that nobody you know I mean nobody no so for somebody to say that everybody knew it was a well-known fact now it was no shit like that I was just as shocked and surprised as every fucking body else you know what I mean yeah real talk so we gonna to do this called Quick Time with Slime. It's a very, you just answer one or the other. For both of you guys. And if you say both, you take a shot. If you say neither, you take a shot.

But if you answer, then you don't take a shot. All right, cool. So you want to get your shots lined up? We're joining. We're joining. Let me get my Japanese whiskey. Let me get the Japanese whiskey. You want to you want to just shots lined up or we're joining we're joining we try every joining See now everybody Ask the man the man is right here. Yeah

With the shot knock out the whiskey cuz I don't whiskey No, I'll do whiskey because I don't want to. Do whiskey, God damn it. Remember last time I was on? I don't do you yet. Just the shot. Can you give him a shot glass, please? Anybody got the shot glass? Where? I think we used them all.

We need some more. All right, cool. We ready? No. All right, instead of asking me both. You have to wait. Okay. Mr. Noriega. Okay, cool. Oh, you need a shot instead of asking me both. You have to wait. Okay. Mr. Noriega.

Oh, you need a shot glass, that's right, okay. No problem. And by the way, go watch the Indian Detective, y'all. It's really good. Yeah, yeah, please, yeah. And smoke that, please. Yeah, I'm up. We got Grandmaster Cass.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy smokes, man. Holy moly guacamole, baby. Let me get the light. Oh, I got you, man. Yeah, somebody else give us a lighter, man. We over here, man. We have a lighter sponsor.

Yeah. Tell Nori. Huh? Tell Nori what you want. Yeah, we gonna bust one of these bottles. Okay, give me a cup. I gonna fill you up right now, baby. We gotta keep the coach alive, god damn it.

You know what I mean? And we also got black-owned Duse's over here, too. We got some rock, too. All black-owned shit. We got Mamawana. Mamawana. We got Call Me Away. What is that? Dominican.

It's a Dominican. Ah. It's rum? No. No one knows what it is. No, no, no. This one has rum in it. It's Mamawana.

Ain't that the shit with the drinks and shit? Yeah, it's rum and herb. You can do voodoo with this. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's crazy? The other day, I got a little fucking bottle of marijuana

in my fucking career. It just appeared at your house? I don't know. A little elf left it there. Yeah, I thought somebody, I thought some shit was gone wrong with the bottle I had in my house.

With the bark in it? Because the fucking bark was growing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I don't drink that shit. The more it grows, the better it is. Yeah, I'm good.

It's alive. I heard it makes your body grow. That's why it did. Yeah, fuck a shot glass. Just take that one. All right. Yeah, but pour a it. Yeah, fuck a shot glass. Just take that one. All right. Yeah, but pour a shot, though, motherfucker. All right.

All right, cool. Are you ready? This one is going to be very... I know what you're going to say. I don't know what you're going to say. Okay. Jay-Z or Nas? Jay-Z.

Because he overcharged the niggas for what they did to the coke rush. God damn it. Jay-Z or Nas, Russell? That's a tough question for me. It is? Yeah, because... All right, that's a love game. Jay has the longevity, but to me, Nas has the better voice.

So, you're taking a shot for that? I guess I'm taking a shot. Okay, take a shot for that. Cheers. It's complicated. They've been, uh... DMX or Tupac? You're right.

DMX. You see him looking over to you, right? You don't see him looking over to you? No, yeah. All right, so... Oh, shit, no, I didn't. But, yeah, DMX. For me, it's X all day.

Okay, cool. All right, all right, all right. So that said no, but yeah, you mean it's X all day. Okay, cool. Oh my god So that's no shot. Okay 80s hip-hop or 90s hip-hop If I had to pick if I had to pick one over the other, and I wasn't from either era, 90s hip-hop. You got me on that one. I did not think. 90s, golden era. 90s?

Okay, all right. Golden era. All right. Run DMC or the locks? The locks. Wow. He said that quickly, too money style. I love the locks

But I got to ride with Run DMC on this You got the hat Run DMC or the locks I mean As far as like Lyrical Whatever No no no

It's whatever your criteria Yeah the locks Yeah the locks Alright Podcast or radio Podcast Podcast Since I have one

Culturally canceled. All right. Out now. Out now. Subscribe. I Heart Radio. Have a podcast. Have a podcast.

Rock him or Big Daddy Kane? He's tough. You do get to take a shot if you don't want to answer. It's okay. Or if you say both. you know what I'm saying. I like how you stuck by the way.

I love that. I love that. That made me know what you were thinking. Let me help with the criteria. Live is one thing and on record it's another thing. We'll do that another shot. Let's stick to the program. The fact that you're thinking about it that much,

let's take a shot, bro. Big Daddy Kane. Big Daddy Kane? Yeah, I got to go with Kane as well. And you're saying the live aspect. I'm speaking based on live, because I've seen Rakim a couple of times, and I love Rakim.

All right. Rakim is a fucking game changer. Yeah. You know what he did? He slowed everything the fuck down. When everybody was screaming and shit, he was this is the time, this is the time! Before he became the team, he built the microphone instead of cones and ice cream.

Or some cool shit, you know what I mean? And he made his own lane. Piece of the puzzle. Complicated. I just can't be mad at him. But I'm a lyricist and proud to say that one of the people that Rakim looks up to as a mentor as far as lyrically, you know what I mean, and being

an MC. And same thing for Kane, you know what I mean? To him, I'm his father as far as, you know, lyrically in this game. Yeah, I might. You were active. In those sheets.

I got a different eye when it comes to, you know and I don't say judging but as far as my opinion on artists I got a different eye than most people you know what I mean

if you was a master fucking lyricist okay and show person and co-creator of hip hop then you could have my same vision

you know what I mean and if not shit will fuck up co-creator of hip-hop, then you could have my same vision. You know what I mean? And if not... Shut the fuck up. Yeah, pretty much. Shut the fuck up. Pretty much. So you went with Kane. Yeah, I went with Kane.

I went with Kane because, I mean, if you put two niggas on the mic, once it gets to each other, Kane, the shit that Kane got. We want to see the verses. If they did the verses. They'd have to do it live. They'd have to do it live.

They gotta do it live. Yeah, they would have to do it live. And Kane got some shit that people ain't even heard that will just... So let's go to the next one. Kumo D or Koo G Rap? I would have to give the edge to Coogee rap, though I am the DJ for Kumo D.

You know what I mean? I got weird. No, facts. Kumo D, myself, and Melly Mel is considered the holy trinity of fucking MCs. God damn it. You know what I mean? The first holy trinity of MCs.

But commercially, if you broke it, stop, nigga. Oh, that's whip or whip. Okay, okay, God damn it. Throw him on, God damn it. Tell him to take a shot wherever he at. Yo, whip. Yeah, baby. Yo, say what's up.

I'm on drink champs. Yeah. Yeah, baby. Yo, say what's up. I'm on Drink Champs. Yeah! He like, what the fuck is going on? He like, what the fuck is that? Yo, I'm on Drink Champs, yo. With Nori and everybody, yo. Yeah. Kaz would mute his phone, but he's 61 years old.

Hey, man, you don't mind. You don't mind. He's Grandmaster Bell, actually. So you went with Coogee Rapper. Yeah, yeah, I went with Coogee Rapper. I go G-Rapper. Yeah, G-Rapper. Slick Rick or Doug E. Fresh?

Slick Rick. Again, I got to go with the live aspect. Dougie. Are we talking lyrically? Are we talking lyrics? It's whatever you want it to be. We're trying to get you to take a shot. It's really what we're trying to do. These questions are supposed to be tough.

Nobody got a show like Dougie Fresh. Excuse me, Dougie Fresh. Yeah, but Dougie hosting a show, it will fucking make your party go through the roof. Okay, Fab Five Freddy or Ed Lover? Who's hosting your party? If you got one person to host your shit. I think I give Ed Lover the edge.

I give Ed Lover the edge. I mean, what era is what I'm talking about now? You're making this shit way too complicated. I give Ed Lover the edge. I mean, what era is what I'm talking about now? You're making this shit way too complicated. I do, I do. I overthink is what my problem is. You should just say,

who's got a better live show? I mean, Fab Five Freddy's more... He got more white bitches. We established that. Yeah, no, but he's also... He's also a little more friendly to the people. Ed Lover's not friendly.

Ed Lover's cool with me, but I'm just saying. You seen him be a dickhead to somebody? No, I ain't seen him be a dickhead, but I just feel like. You seen him not sign an autograph or not take a picture. Let's just go out there. I remember one time 25 years ago. 25 years ago.

He wanted the limo to himself, is all I'm saying. Oh, he kicked you out? No, he just wouldn't let nobody in. Let's make some noise for that. Give it up for Ed Lover. And I love Ed Lover. Asshole. Okay. MTV Raps or Rap City?

Oh, Rap City, yeah. Wow. Yo, MTV Raps. MTV Raps. Yo, MTV Raps. I'll give it to you for Rap City. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, facts. Yo MTV Raps. Yo MTV Raps. Yeah, I got to give them that. I'll give a taste for Rhapsody. Yeah, facts. Okay, Biggie or Big L?

Big L. I'm a diehard Biggie fan. And I love Big L. He's like right there with it. Right. Okay. Red Alert or Brucey B? Red Alert.

Red. Uncle Red. Okay. I don't know why they got this here, but Wild Style or B Street? Roosie B, my dude, though. That's my dude. He came up right under me, man. But Red, if I was going to hire somebody and I could only hire one person, that'd be Red Alert. Wild Style or B Street?

You already know. I wasn't in B Street. Wild Style all day. And Wildstyle was the first and most authentic of all of those movies. The first time I saw Wildstyle, I thought it was a documentary. That's what we said.

That's what we said, yeah. And you know, that version of Wildstyle that you have right there is the bootleg version. It's not the bootleg. It's the reissue. It's the reissue.

I know, I know. He ain't the original out here? No, but you know what? I wasn't around. I was a kid when it first came out. I'll tell you what's different reissue. It's the reissue. He ain't the original out here? No, but you know what's different? I wasn't around. I was a kid when they first came. I'll tell you what's different on that one is when there's a scene where Grandmaster Flash is cutting up live,

on the original, he's cutting up Mardi Gras. And on this, they couldn't clear it. They couldn't clear Mardi Gras. So they put in the audio for something else when they don't even fucking know what it is. They put another beat in there. Oh, wow. That's how much of a nerd I am for this shit. Okay.

And this is, what, 1982? That's when the movie came out, but that's not when that shit came out. The one that came out for that was like a yellow copy. It was mad cheap looking. I got it at Kmart in 84. Okay. LL, I'll be sure. What?

Nori thought of this. He was thinking. All right, you're playing now. I mean, you never know, man. I'll be sure I was dropping some shit. Just battle with the light-skinned niggas, man. Yeah, I'm doing light-skinned battle. I got to give it to L.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, listen, I remember my only compliment that I ever got when I was in the early 90s was a girl said I looked like Calbee's shirt because I had a it to Al. Okay. Yeah, I mean, listen, I remember with him, my only compliment that I ever got when I was, like, in the early 90s was a girl said I looked like Al B. Schur. Because I had a unibrow. She not a unibrow. But I always wanted to be LL. Let's pick up that girl. She 90s like a.

You a bitch. Oh, shit. That nigga look like Al ain't sure. I'll be late. I'll be late. I'll be damn. Guru or Lord Finesse? Ooh. Ooh.

I mean. You know, your shot is right there, just in case. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got to pick anything all the time. I'll answer before you just to make it easier for you. No, no. No, no, no. I don't need that. Louis Finesse.

Wow. Okay. Louis Finesse is my brother. Okay. Like, we live together. So, I mean, you know. Sounds a little crazy. Not like that.

Okay. All right. Not like that. Rest in peace, baby. He's digging in the crate and I'm digging in my crotches. No, Ness is my man. I mean 50 grand so. I hear you. Look even wifey loves Ness. Stop, stop already will ya.

Let me just say, I gotta get him on the show. That's what I'm saying. That's the homie, that's the homie. So you're going Lord Finesse. I gotta go Lord Finesse. I got to go Lord Finesse. Yeah. And I love Guru. This one,

I really want to dig to see what y'all going to say on this one. DJ Premier or Large Professor? DJ Premier. Yeah, that was very easy for you. Primo.

And I love Large Professor, but Primo. Large Pro is like in that next conversation. Primo, that's why his name is Premier. He's Premier, nigga. He's like, yeah. Come on.

Large Pro was the next Marley. Pharrell or Kanye? Creatively. Shot. Who said shot? My man, my Henny boy KB, you son of a bitch. Come on, I'm with you. Where the whiskey at?

I'm with you, come on, let me get some whiskey. By the way, this is- You know what? I'm gonna take a shot. All right, let's go, hold on, I'm with you. With the whiskey at him. Come on, let me get some whiskey. By the way, this is... You know what? I'm going to take a shot. All right, let's go. Hold on, wait for us. I'm going to take my first shot. You're going to take your shot. God damn it.

You taking a shot? Indian detective? Thank you, thank you. Take a shot, my Indian detective brother. Just go with whatever you want. Yeah, solo. But I got to ride with this. I know I'm riding with this.

Solo. Yeah. Okay. Dolly. Solo. But I got to ride with this. I know I'm riding with this. Solo. Yeah. Okay. Dolly. Fuck hip hop. That's the next one. Yeah, right? Right.

Time for the drink check. Two more drinks, motherfucker. Okay. Who gives a fuck about hip hop? Swiss Beats? Swiss Beats or Timberland? I got to go with Swizzy, although I love the newness

that Tim brought to production. You know what I mean? His sound was like unique, just like Pharrell's was. But I'm more tuned into Swizzy's. Okay. I look at Swiss, Pharrell, and Tim as the same era. They all three came with three different sounds.

Right. And you knew exactly who you were listening to each time. Damn, that was a... I was about to get on you for your long breakdown, but that was actually great. But it wasn't an answer. And you didn't answer shit, though. But it was not an answer.

It was a phenomenal breakdown. And inflected. I will kiss all three of they babies. So which one you going with? We're all going to go. I'm going to go. I mean, come on in on Swiss. I'm going to go with Swiss.

Okay. Okay. I didn't even expect that. The Knicks or the Nets? This is more of a New Yorker question because I know you with the Raptors. Knicks fan. I'm a Nick fan from when Willis Reed limped out on the motherfucking court, nigga. I was standing there like this.

Bullshit, Willis is coming out. I was watching that shit. Kazzy Russell used to live next door to me. When I was 10. And then they used to come out, go jump in the cab, go to the guard up in there, all right, Kazzy. They say, all right, man, little dude. I mean, woo woo.

And I mean, sometimes I lie and tell people I named myself Kaz because of Kazzy Russell. Whoa! Right now you have Kazzy Russell right here. What? Kazzy Russell. Oh! Look at that.

That's crazy. Wow. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wow. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wow. There ain't no accident, baby. That's what I'm saying. All right. OK, so I didn't like this one, but I'm

going to ask it anyway. Fat Boys or the Beastie Boys? Fat Boys. Seriously, I would have to say musically and everything, I would have to give it to the Beastie Boys. Whoa! You know what I mean? Look at the lights. I mean, the Beastie Boys, I mean, come on.

These niggas make classic albums. The production behind their music, the themes, and all that. I think the Fat Boys was more of a novelty act that it caught on. It was like, okay, shit, let's sign them up and, you know, put out a record. I think people's longevity kind of played out as far as what they originally were in this thing in the first place um

to me if you are this if you claim to be this then you are always that if you are at a certain level or whatever this and that then that's your motherfucking level. Don't you ever come here later on and tell me, nah, I can't do that no more. What the fuck? If you was ever great, you always gonna be great. You always gonna be great. So if you not great right now, motherfucker, you wasn't

great before. You wasn't great in the first place. You just was saying that shit. Now how many people today, I'm 61 years old. How many niggas could fuck with me? How many people could fuck with me on the mic right now at 61? And I'm not just talking about my age. I'm talking about period.

That's not me bragging. That's the fact that I love this shit. I breathe this shit. I am this shit. Goddamn. Make some noise for that, goddamn. We're going to get through this real fast. I got to ask you more questions.

Okay. Latifah or MC Lyte? I would have to give it damn, damn, damn. All the way around. Whatever you want. Latifah. I go Lyte. I like that y'all disagreeing now.

At first I thought you were just agreeing. Nah, nah, nah. I like Lyte. Okay. No one. Ice Cube or Scarface? Boom. You can take a shot.

You know what I mean. We got our shots ready. Yeah, I got my shoot ready. That's a difficult one right there. I go with Cube. I go with Cube. I'm friends with Brad Jordan, but I love Cube. I love that y'all call him Brad.

I ain't calling him Brad ever in my life. Listen, Victor, this is what we do. I don't like first names. And we're not calling LL Todd. I'm not calling LL Todd. I'm never doing that. I'm not calling LL Todd. I'm not never doing that. I do call him Todd actually. I don't call him.

Me and Curtis call him Todd. I'm taking a shot. God damn it, grab out the cap. Yeah, come on, take a shot. No, that's not a shot, that's a drink. Take a shot, motherfucker. I need that whiskey. Take that drink as a shot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, take it. Ooh, sorry. Kim or Fox? No, we didn take it, take it. Ooh, sorry. Kim or Foxy Brown. No, we didn't answer that one yet. What? We took a shot. Oh, he took a shot for you. I took the shot. Kim or Foxy Brown.

That one was harsh on me. Damn it. Yo, I gotta go with Fox. Fox is, that's my girl, yo. Really? I always had a thing for her. I always had a thing, a personal thing. And as far as her spitting bars is concerned...

I'm trying to get her to come out the house. When she first pulled that shit off with Jay, nigga, I ain't heard nobody... Ain't no nigga like that, man. Yeah, yeah. I ain't never seen her, nobody pull no shit off like that, so... I got to go with Kim Kim because wifey loves Kim.

You know your wife is not being interviewed right now. No, no, but I'm saying, since that's all I hear in the house is Kim, I'm going to go with Kim. All right, cool. I respect that. You got to go home. All right. This is a good one, actually. N.W.A. or Wu-Tang?

I got to go Wu. I got to go Wu. Outkast or Mobb Deep? For me, that's easy. Creatively, Outkast. Mobb Deep all day for me. It's the M-O-B-B. D-E-E-B.

They're from your part of town. Come on, come on. Of course they are. I can't quote lyrics for shit. All right. I got you stuck on. And this is the last one. I heard of us.

Official Queens really murder us. Kick a pre. Hold on, he's been mobbed there. Family, enough shots to see it. All those who want a profile to pose. Rock you in your face, stab your brain with your nose bone. You alone in the streets, cousin. In this land, with yourself and this land, we be gunning.

The keepership crew's running. They supposed to. They come around, but they never come close to. And you can see it inside your face. You in the wrong place. Cowards like me. You get your whole body laced up with bullet holes and such. Come on! This is hip-hop right here, baby! Listen. This is the last one. This is the last one.

Transcend eras. Yeah, yeah. I love it. Let's get it. Kid Capri or Funkmaster Flex? That's easy. That's easy? Yeah, for me it's Kid Capri. I gotta go Kid Capri. Kid Capri come from me.

That's my hood, that's my... We call him Pooch. Wow. Okay, Pooch. We call him Pooch. We gonna call him Pooch the next time we come up here. I call him Dave. I go with Kid Capri all day. We not frontin' on Frontmaster Flex, are we?

I'm frontin' on Funkmaster Flex. No, no. Well, you're giving me a choice between two motherfuckers I fuck with all day long. Okay, all right. Cool, cool, cool. Let me just tell you something.

I'm doing what you want to do. Kick Capri's my brother. But I still don't see people with the same passion as Funkmaster Flex. Mm-mm. Kick Capri's still... Passion.

Yeah, Kick Capri's still passionate. Like, what I mean... What I mean, it was like a time where the music just shifted. Right. It shifted to get me to this new generation. And I've really seen four massive flex study the new generation just for him to transition. And to me, that's like, you know, there's a lot of DJs that they did when it stopped being vinyl, they wouldn't go to CDs. When it stopped being CDs, they, like,

there's a lot of people that don't. Yeah, definitely. My friend right here, like, I do vinyl. He likes carrying crates. I don't like carrying crates. In my mind, he likes carrying crates. He likes carrying crates. He's a purist.

He's a purist. But I brought all my records to the party. Yes, yes. So my point of that is, not to say King Reed didn't, but what I'm saying is, I've never seen someone so focused like to not only be a legend here,

but to learn the craft of the new way. And I've never seen nobody like that. Capri does it too. I think because commercially, that was his job to do that. Right, that's different jobs. If you want to survive on radio, if you want to stay where you are up on radio,

you got to know who's new. You got to know what's going on. You got to chummy up and round up and just get with that next generation because that's where you're going to be. That's where hopefully you're going to be. And if you establish a relationship with them you're always going to be in.

You ain't old school. You ain't old head or whatever. That's like the fucking dreaded you know what I mean moniker of our generation. Old head.

You know what I mean? Old head and old school is different. Right. And OG too. OG as well. That's what I meant to say. That's what I meant to say.

When they say OG, they be trying to say you just old sometimes. What the OG? Not always. Sometimes it's respectful. I be telling niggas, shut the fuck up, man.

I had a guy older than me call me big bro. I'm like, wait a minute. What fucking family is this? But you had someone older than you call you big bro? Yeah, hey, big bro. How does that happen?

You're more knowledgeable than that. Yeah, apparently. It's the new slang, baby. Yeah, I don't like being called OG at all. Big homie, I don't like none of that.

I mean, I don't give a fuck. I got a white beard. I'll take it off. Yeah, I'm with you, man. I'm with you. Listen, man, I checked out your movie. Oh, yeah.

Coming home, yeah. You're working on that. Yo, applaud. Which one? Which one did you see? Cuba. We released it with Rock the Bells right now. We're releasing them.

Oh yeah? Because I be thinking he not coming home sometime. That has more to do with immigration. What the fuck is you doing? What the fuck is you doing? This shit is fucking amazing. You know what I mean? Congratulations. Thank you very much. God damn. That's what I thought. You know what I mean? Congratulations. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Goddamn. Goddamn. That's some real shit.

For real. For real. And speaking of Rock the Bells, I'm about to join the Rock the Bells family. We'll already have. DJ? Me and Shaw Rock got a show. On the show. Say 45?

No. 43. On Rock the Bells Radio. 43. Is it on? Yeah. I'm serious. I'm serious.

I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious. Is Radio. Oh, 43. Is it on 43? Yeah, on 43. That's what I'm going to say. And I'm kind of pumped about that. Yeah, that's dope. Shout out to LL, man, for creating that platform. Oh, definitely. You know what I mean? LL is a visionary.

And I think once he saw the platform that he could create in the lane that nobody really is really addressing right now which is uh you know the pioneers the legends you know of the game and stuff and you know and i appreciate y'all like that like i said it's like when you see artists of the magnitude of a um ecstasy from who... God bless. Rest in peace. Yeah, I mean, and just more recently, Biz Marquis. Rest in peace.

You know what I mean? Producer Chuck Thompson and, you know, Fred the Godson. Prince Marky D. And Prince, yeah, Marky D. And, you know, the list goes on. It's like you definitely start to appreciate who's left right you know if you got anything in you know in you and there's something that you ever desired to do before

which i think you know you guys have had this in your mind and in your hearts for a long time before this ever happened you know you had it in your head that yo niggas we need to get these niggas some kind of recognition yeah and it's contagious right I mean like this time you didn't create the term but not you we made it like Michael didn't create the fucking moonwalk right but he got everybody in the fucking world doing Wow yeah I mean so same thing with legs he didn't start Rocksteady crew but he's the face of it. Yep.

Wow. That's what's up. Well, you know, for us, man, you know, like I said, we met each other, you know, he was a mixtape DJ and a rep for the label, so I used to come out here

all the time, and me and him, me just seeing, like, his pure hip-hop shit, like, he don't, he just want to spend on vinyl, and I've been trying to tell him, yo, man, get Serato or something.

I don't even think he got Serato, man. I got Traktor. In my mind, he ain't got Serato, bro. Who the fuck uses Traktor for the farmer? Ain't nobody use Traktor.

Traktor scratch, man. Come on, Traktor. Native instruments is dope. Come on, man. Just because they sponsor you don't mean you got to pick them up like that. They just sponsor me

when I got my Traktor. So I like to put, I really, like to tell you the truth, our show is about interviewing legends, right? And I'm going to be honest with you. You're our real, real, real first legend, for real. You know what I'm saying? Like, no disrespect to anybody that's ever been on this show. But when you look at your history and like you said,

you are the co-creator. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's nothing that can take you away from that. And I just want to tell you that to your face, how much we respect you, how much we love you,

how much we fuck with you, and how much we appreciate it. Because like I said, we've been doing this almost six years. This is the funnest research I've ever done. Because like I said, every time I was looking at something, I was learning something.. This is the funnest research I've ever done because like I said, every time I

was looking at something, I was learning something. And this is the reason why I wanted to tell these new artists that you know, these new artists will reference a mic with Jordan. They'll be like, Jordan in 86. Nigga, you wasn't even born in Jordan in 86. Why you don't know about Grandmaster Cass?

Why you don't know about Grandmaster Theodore? Why you don't know about, you know, you don't know about Grandmaster Theodore why you don't know about you know whatever whatever whatever and it's like if you can do that with basketball you don't get paid off of basketball you little jerk you get paid from MC and you get paid from so wouldn't it be dope to go learn your own

fucking craft well the problem is the tree was there when they came they didn't care where the fucking roots were planted they didn't want to know about the seed. They just wanted to know about the new leaves that were coming out. But they wore the Michael Jordans. They wore it. And in anything, they wanted to know why the 60s was 60s.

And they wanted to know why the 70s was 70s. And why were they so famous. Why you can't do that with hip-hop? Why you can't go back there and realize that there was people that came before you? You understand what I'm saying? I'm one of them. I need to know about everything. If I like something, I want to know from the beginning to now.

Right, yeah. I'm like that. I love doing research now. When we first started this, I didn't do nothing. But now I'm like, fuck it. This shit is actually good. I know how to Google now. I didn't know how to Google before.

That shit is knowledge. That's input. That's input. You know what I mean? So let me ask you, do you feel appreciated? Yeah. Yeah, I do. I do.

From the community of hip-hop, I feel appreciated. Right. of hip-hop, I feel appreciated. Friendships that I made because of hip-hop and because of people's appreciation for me in hip-hop are the things that I value. Those are the things that keep me involved

and keep me going. Not just as a participant, as an artist himself, because right now, I ain't running around still trying to get a record deal or no shit like that. You know what I mean? I pick and choose what I want to do.

And hopefully, I built up a resume large enough for me not to have to prove nothing to anybody. You just look it up like you did. Be like, oh, okay, that's that nigga. Let's bring him on the show. Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah.

Hell, yeah. But, yeah, I definitely feel appreciated. I've made associate with people like this brother, and he's connected me, you know, with so many things and so many people. Because that's what he does. He's like a fucking networker. Right. Who,

you know, no, really, really, really. I'm taking a shot for that. Can you pass me that? I'm taking a shot for that,

man. One person goes, you go to Russell. That was Lorde's thing, it's right there, networker. One person goes to Russell and on the other side

it's like this bunch of, like that, like some shit over there. You got two Ricos over there. You come this way, you come out there and he knows everybody over there. And he lives withos over there. You come out there and he knows everybody over there. And he lives with Lord Finesse.

Yes. Lord Finesse lives with him. Yeah, okay. He's downstairs, I'm upstairs. Wait a minute. In the same room? Same house. Knock it off. Hold on, you got a shot right there, by the way. Lord Finesse would love to do this show, by the way. Lord Finesse produced on my first album,

The War Report. Yes, he did. I did not know that. The War Report, yes he did. Now, I got to ask you. Do you remember a young Fat Joe? Yeah. Fat Joe grew up in a neighborhood that I grew up in, but years later.

Okay. My first knowledge of Fat Joe, he had a crew called Full Eclipse. Wow. Okay. Wow. Okay. Wow. And one of the members of Full Eclipse was family to one of my son's mother.

So, I mean, this shit is crazy, man. Any question you ask me, I can connect to myself somewhere. No problem. And I'm not trying

to do this shit on purpose. No, you good. You good. Do it on purpose. You deserve your flowers. We gave them to you, too on purpose. No, you good. You good. Do it on purpose. You deserve your flowers. We gave them to you, too. I'm just saying. Open up that case.

Look at that case. That's real flowers. Real flowers. That's real flowers. Last five years. Yeah, yeah. And my mind is gold. All right?

Just fire. But that's how I first found out about Fat Joe. You know, they told me, you know what I mean, this and that, this and that. My nephew is down with,

you know, this guy Fat Joe and such and such. And I'm like, okay. And then, you know, the songs, I would, you know they told me you know what I mean this and that this and that my nephew is down with you know this guy Fat Joe and such and such and I'm like okay and then you know the songs I would you know start coming out listen that other people KRS start talking about him so of course you rep the Bronx I know about you right I'm somewhere near close to watching you know what I mean so I've been about three of Joe's videos probably didn't notice what I mean? So I've been in about three of Joe's videos. Probably didn't notice what I was doing yet. So let me ask you, and this is probably a generic question. Is Curtis Blow named Curtis Blow because he was doing Curtis Blow? I mean, that's a legit question, though.

I mean, there's a reason why Superhead is Superhead. Maybe she was a superhero, bro. That's not for me to say. I mean, it's the rumors. Come on, man. I even got round. I fuck with music when I'm DJing, and I make references to, like,

Curtis B. Sniffin' Blow. You play it white. Yeah, it's like that. But, no, I mean, no. I don't think that's why his name is Curtis Blow. And when you say Curtis Blow, the answer to that for himself. Let's be clear.

Back in the days, Coke was considered like y'all. That was like... Oh, definitely. That was like Madonna type shit. Coke started, you know, becoming, you know, available to, like, to hip hop.

You've been to Studio 54? Yeah, yeah. How was it? I never finger popped enough. nothing was Wow. She was wow I'm assuming about some in the studio 54. Did I or would I did you? No, but would you I Make it to studio video. I ain't making the studio 54. I went up in a few people in the limelight, though.

I'll tell you that guy, though. You know the limelight that's open right now is Ju Long Club. Get the fuck out of here. The church. The church. Oh, that's Ju Long? That restaurant is Ju Long. That's Ju Long.

I did not know that. Yo, yeah. Oh, that's crazy. By the way, New York City, we're the foulest city in the world. We made a club, a church. A church, a club. A church, a club. A church, a club. Exactly.

How have we ignored that for 25 years? No one thought, like, yo, this is- Yo, the kind of club it was. Y'all did not ignore it. Y'all knew you were walking into a church. I ignored it. I acted like I didn't know where I was at. He became an ignorer.

He's like, I'm supposed to get first communion in this motherfucker. Yo, you had to walk past a lot of things that was like, that you don't do. Right. In that motherfucker there. Do you think, and this is a generic question, but at one point, in order to be an artist, you had to perform in New York City,

these Latin quarters, the Copacabanas, all of this. Oh, yeah. There was like a, what do you call that, the chitlin' circuit. There was a chitlin' circuit in New York. In New York? In hip-hop, yeah, that you had to go to. I thought that was when we went down south. Nah,

but I'm making reference to that, but it was the same kind of mentality. It was like, alright, you gotta play here. You gotta play. You want this exposure up here, uptown, you gotta go play here. Alright, you want them to know you down and over and such,, you got to play here. Now you got to play. You want this exposure up here, uptown. You got to go play here. All right, you want them to know you down and over and such, such. You got to play here. And then you do that until the demand picks up for you.

Now people call you to where they want you to. They want you to come back to over here. Or they want you to go back to over here. You know what I mean? We was one of the first cast that just start going outside of the city limits. You know what I mean? Bronx, Westchester, Connecticut, Jersey.

You know what I mean? We had parties in each town. Everybody had a skating rink. We was in that motherfucker before. Bridgeport, Connecticut, New Haven, Connecticut, Danbury, Connecticut. I mean, I got fucking arrested in Chicopee, Massachusetts. It's fire.

For having spikes on. Having spikes on. You know we used to wear that fucking spikes. No, we used to wear them too, yeah. Louboutin owe y'all money though. Because Louboutin took y'all spike shit

and made it hip hop again. But then they put it on shoes. You like those shoes? No, one of my favorite lines is one of yours. Oh, what? Louboutin sneakers with the spikes. It's for weirdos. I don't wear those. That's my shit right there.

Thank you for knowing that. Damn. You're just a rich nigga just running around with cigars. This is how you... I had it brought in, you know? What nigga just running around with cigars. This is just how you... I had it brought in, you know? What is that? What kind of cigar is that? That's a Romeo and Juliet. Oh, I love Romeo and Juliet.

Thank you, thank you. This is... This is a hoodie-o and a Fuliet. They wrote from the same people. I threw him in from Peru. He's a Peruvian wrestler and he brought his weed on the side.

You know what I mean? Goddamn. All right. What a job. What a job. What a job. Like LL said, the Peruvian prince,

the king of quaaludes. Okay. I didn't catch that line back in the days. Now it makes sense. There you go. Now it makes sense. So,

all right. Yo, that's because I didn't catch that line back in the days. Now it makes sense. There you go. Now it makes... So, I, you know, that's because this is really, truly an honor, man. When I really, like I said, I did the research and I'm seeing it. And I'm seeing these parties. Like, hip-hop got to seem... I actually don't know how to articulate this. But what I'm saying is, to seem... Hey, hey, hey, hey. I actually don't know how to articulate this, but what I'm saying is

what kind of... What kind of cigar is that? That should look expensive. It's from Puerto Rico. It's from Puerto Rico? The country or the guy? You make cigars? Yeah, this look nice.

Okay, okay. You smoke? I smoke cigars, but I like to smoke in the marijuana, okay. You smoke? I smoke cigars. I like to smoke in the marijuana, though. That look like the Cristal of cigars. Yes, yes. So, hip-hop. I asked you, did you ever think hip-hop would make it this far?

You said no. I didn't. I didn't. Like I said, if I would, I would have invested in it. Right. You know? Right. The people who couldn't do what we did, did what we couldn't do.

Say that one more time. I'm going to say it one more time. The people who couldn't do what we did, did what we couldn't do. And Russell Simmons can't rap, can't break dance. That's a great transition. Can't DJ. You know what I mean? He can't break dance. That's a great transition. Can't DJ. You know what I mean? He can't do graffiti.

So what was your first impression? But he did go to college and he did get a degree. And he did. He understands the business of business. And so he took that. And, you know, the rest is history. What was your first impression when you seen Russell come around? Because other than what we spoke about earlier, the Sugar Hill Gang, I think you said her name was Sylvia?

Sylvia Robinson. Sylvia Robinson. Other than that, there wasn't a lot of black executives. I would imagine that Sugar Hill Gang was probably the first ones. Well, Sugar Hill Records that Sugar Hill Gang was probably the first ones. Well, I mean, the Sugar Hill Records. Sugar Hill Records.

Oh, yeah. Because they were independent labels. Right. Okay, you got to understand. Major labels would not fuck with hip-hop in the early days.

Wow. They didn't believe in it. They didn't think it would last. They thought it was just a fad or a trend or whatever and they didn't want to invest in it.

Curtis Blow was the first hip-hop artist to get signed to a major label. And he had Christmas rap. Christmas rap? Yeah. Did that come out before the breaks? Later on. So let me ask y'all. Let me ask y'all. Let me ask you definitely particularly.

Wasn't that kind of commercial to make a rap about Christmas? You goddamn right. Okay. But guess what? All right. Guess what? Every year,

after Thanksgiving, that record plays from that day on, motherfucker, all the way to Christmas. To this day. To this day. Over and over and over.

So you tell me. We love you, Curtis Blow. Goddamn. That's smart. Over and over and over. So you tell me. We love you, Curtis Blow. God damn. That was fucking smart. And that was one of the advantages that having a major label behind you, you got a team, you got people who know the music business behind you.

They're going to hire the people that you need. They're going to hire a fucking band. They're going to hire producers. They're gonna hire the people that you need they're gonna hire a fucking band they're gonna hire producers they go higher if you need this they gonna bring that in they got all that so you got all that how the fuck can you miss real talk as opposed to somebody who's doing something independently even though they're doing better work the independent artists are doing, I mean, come on, Bobby. The shit that the Enjoy Records, that they did, Pumpkin and All Stars, their band, is fucking incredible. I love Pumpkin. And at some point, that shit is going to be, I mean, it's legendary. It's legendary.

The Sugarhill Band. The Sugarhill Band. The shit that they did for Sugarhill Records. The dude that stole your record? Yeah, not Sugarhill Band. The Sugarhill Band. The shit that they did for Sugarhill Records. The dude that stole your record? Yeah, not Sugarhill Gang. The band that played with the gang that stole my record. And then Duke Booty. Yeah, Duke Booty, who wrote the message.

Not that Duke Booty that you... Not a Dukey Booty. Wait up, wait up. You just hit me with two bombs. First off, you named it. A dude named Duke Booty. That's one. But then you said, he wrote the message.

Duke Booty, yo, don't push me. What? Cause I'm close to the edge. I'm trying not to lose my head. They didn't write they rhymes? Wait, wait. No, he's write their rhymes? Wait, wait. No, he's saying look. Wait, wait.

You're going too far right now. I'm here to screw you. Oh, no. Not trying to fool you. Let's go. Oh, no. The two cameramen just got happy because you're singing reggae.

Holy moly guacamole. I don't know where you going with this Duke Moody By the way we just gotta say pause Rest in peace Rest in peace Duke Moody Okay Was a member of the Sugar Hill band And he wrote

The message And Sylvia Robinson wanted the Sugar Hill Gang to do it and he wrote the message. And Sylvia Robinson wanted the Sugar Hill Gang to do it, but they didn't want to do it. The shit was too slow. Matter of fact, nobody wanted to do it. And so Duke Booty did it, and they put Melly Mel on it to do the rhyme that he did.

Broken Glass. Wait, so he wrote Melly's part? No, no, Broken Glass. Everywhere. That ain't Melly Mel. Duke Booty wrote that. Wait, but... The whole song. But did Mel write anything?

Don't push me. That's what I'm saying. Because Duke Booty wrote that. Oh, shit. Come on. You're fucking me up now. Duke Booty made most of the music for Grandmaster Flesh and the Furious Five. His name was Ed Fletcher.

May he rest in peace. Oh, yes. Yes, I heard that name. That's Duke Booty. And you know what? Now, what Melly, I'm sorry. I was going to say, Davey D did the music for If I Ruled the World. All right, that's a whole nother story.

Sorry, I was just going in there. That was the Indian detective. That was my detective brain. if I ruled the world. Alright, that's a whole nother. Sorry, I was just going in there. Yeah, you just went in there a whole different, that was the Indian detective, go ahead. That was my detective brain. So yeah, it was his idea and his song, and Sylvia wanted the Sugarhill Gang to do it, they didn't want to do it, wanted the Furious Five to do it,

they didn't want to do it, so she got Mel to do it, with Duke Booty, so Mel is reciting Duke Booty's, you know, broken glass everywhere. People pissing on. Mel wrote the last verse in the message. Child is born with no state of mind,

blind to the ways of mankind. That's Mel. And that was taken from Super Rappin' from his song with the Furious Five on Enjoy Records. Damn.

That record was two sides. So, A and B? It was Super Rappin' part one and Super Rappin' part two. I was like, this is a trick too.

Like 20 minutes each side. Just non-stop rapping. It was Super Rappin'. It was Super Rappin'. Right. So, I mean, you didn't know that, right? Yeah, so, and like I said, rest in

peace to Ed Fletcher and his family. He just passed away recently. So, was that like the thing back then? Is to have somebody else write your lyrics? Because that's like... Never! That was a soft law back then? That was, what you're saying. That's probably the record shit, the record label shit that was doing that.

Thank you. Thank you. You got to understand that prior to the record industry being involved in hip hop, there was certain ethics and shit. You know what I mean? There was like a code, you know, written or unwritten. You know what I mean? You don't bite people's shit.

You know what I mean? You got ridiculed for that shit. There was nothing written down that said that. But nigga, you don't do shit like that. Wow. That's how it was. So for somebody to say somebody else's shit, and then, I mean, in a big forum,

and you know what I mean, like benefit from that shit, that shit was unheard of. You get ridiculed for that type of shit. But the record industry don't have no fucking rules. It don't have no morals. And that was considered the first reality rap, right? Like gangster rap shit. Like all those gangster rap.

Pretty much. Before School D.D. Pretty much. Yeah, the message is considered the first one that dealt with, you know, urban issues and the conditions that existed, you know, in our neighborhoods and shit like that. It was, I mean, it fucking Grammy Hall of Fame, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you know what I mean? From that record alone, these guys, you know, not just that, but them and the rest of the things they've done, you know, but that being the pinnacle,

that message. And y'all were cool back then? Because it was like a little drama between the crews we wasn't cool no no i like how you said we wasn't cool he wasn't cool you gotta understand you gotta understand um when meli mel and them and and when the furious five i keep saying meli because that's my brother. But when the Furious Five got signed to Sugar Hill, they left the streets. Prior to that, we was all in the streets. We was all vying for who's the best in the Bronx or who's the best in New York or who, you know what I mean, doing these different, you know.

And once they got signed, they left. And then once they started going on tour, there was nobody left. So we was, like, scrambling to fill that void. Well, we the next niggas after them that's going to take the throne of whoever's the best in New York. Right.

You know what I mean? So that was the Fantastic Five and us. The Funky Four had got signed to Sugar Hill as well, so they was off with the Furious Five. And that was considered a Jersey label at the time? It was a Jersey label,

but it was the fact that they were recording artists now. Wow, okay. And we still doing jams in Harlem World and shit like that. Harlem World?

Well, we doing shows and getting paid, but we still doing live performances. We're not signed or on tour. Wow. This is amazing. This is...

This is... I don't know. This is... Then you got Treacherous 3. Yeah, so I love how you changed the subject. Let's go. With Kumo. I'm just saying, just keep it moving.

I'm saying. Then you got Kumo D and them who got signed. Who did they get signed to? They got signed to Sugar Hill because most of the acts that were first signed to... It's crazy. It's like a migration from whatever group you in now to the next group that's going to take you the way you want to go. Even from back in my history. Yeah, they was group hopping.

My first MCs, you know, when they left me, they went to DJ Charlie Chase. And when they left Charlie Chase and then they went to the Fantastic, or they went to Kevvy Kevin and then they became the Fantastic Five. You know what I mean? And it's the same with this shit right here. It's like, you know, group hopping to get to where the fuck you're trying to go. And Sequence was on Sugar Hill and Sequence had Angie Stone in the group. Really? Yeah, Angie Stone was part of Sequence. You didn't know and Sequence had Angie Stone in the group. Really?

Yeah, Angie Stone was part of Sequence. You didn't know that? No. Mm-hmm. Angie Stone? Angie Stone, Angie Stone. Angie Stone, Angie Stone. What year is that?

D'Angelo's baby mama, Angie Stone. What year is that? 1979. I'm going to funk you. Right on up. We're going to funk you. Right on up. She says the name of the song.

We're going to funk you. Right on up. We're going to funk you. Right on up. I think it's over. Get up, get up song to Q. We don't bump you. We don't bump you. I think the song's saying get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get

up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, get up, Definitely got a baby. Definitely got a baby. But guess what? She had to be something back in the days. Guess what, though? We need Angie Stone on Drink Champ.

Yeah, we do. And D'Angelo. Not together. Angie Stone. Together. Before D'Angelo, Angie Stone married to little Rodney C from the Funky Four.

Plus one more. I'm little Rodney C. Yep. Rodney Stone. Okay, that's where Angie Stone. It's good. It's good. It's funky 4 Pluses.

That's where her name come from. A lot of people. Hey, listen. Y'all ain't got me up here for no fucking reason. Goddamn, no shit. No shit. No shit. I'm taking a little shot.

And I ain't saying shit that people don't already know. Yeah, that's right. But like the pop at large. It's Googleable. Yeah, it's Googleable. It's Googleable. It's Googleable. God damn it.

Why do we need Google? We got the real fucking thing. This is real. We got Google. Shit. That's Google-able. Yeah, it's Google-able. It's Google-able. God damn it. Why do we need Google? We got the real fucking Google. This is it. This is Google. Shit. There's Google right here. Grandmaster Google. The Grandmaster of all.

Grandmaster Google. Yo, invent that. So let me ask you. Google Master Kaz. Let me ask you, right? If you could put the five, you know, everyone always asks the top five dead or alive.

I'm not going to ask you that. Please, thank you. What I'm going to ask you is if you could put the top five Fathers and hip-hop fathers like how the FBI got you know every I would do FBI would put right on this water. Yeah, they'll put they'll put Gotti here Then they'll put cat out Capitan and sick Signiori and all. If you could do yours,

the top five hip-hop fathers and godfathers, I would like to hear it. In order. It don't have to be in order. No, no, it has to be if you put it in that way. That's not the man making his own choice. If you're saying godfather and father, it's got to be in some kind of order.

Okay, but... You can't have the godfather before the father before the father god his own choice. If you're saying godfather and father, it's got to be in some kind of order. Okay, but? You can't have the godfather before the father, before the father godfather, the man father. It all starts with Kool-Aid. It has to, right? For me and for everybody that's where I come from. I'm from the west side of the Bronx. I lived up on

the next block from Kool-Aid. Cedric Avenue, failing place. Okay, so when I was young and impressionable, and the block would clear out and go down the fucking block, you know, the whole block would clear out, I'd be like, what the fuck is going on? But I'm, you know, I'm 13, 15.

Yo, we going to Kuhlherk party, we going to Kuhlherk party. So, I wasn't able to go to Kuhlherk party, but you know what I mean, I'm like, this must be some shit, and then when he started playing outside, I got the opportunity to see him,

and from that time, you know, I aspired to be a DJ like Kool Herc, you know what I mean, and everybody else, once they caught the bug that we call hip-hop now, were mainly inspired by Kool Herc. Everybody else popped up afterwards

and popped up as a result of or seeing or being inspired by and like, yo, I want to do that. The Blackout in 77 That's when you got your equipment. No, I have my equipment already. You upgraded.

I upgraded. You got some new things. There was a sale. I can't afford before, you know what I'm saying? Okay, but hold on. Let's just stay focused. So we got Kuhlherk as El Capitan. Kuhlherk. As the godfather.

He's the father. He is the father. Or the grandfather, to be even more correct. Let him be the father. Let's give him the father. He's the father. Yeah, now, as you go on, grandfather, but originally father. The father.

Okay, now, who you got? This is, I ain't talking about the world of hip-hop. I'm talking about Grandmaster Cass. What was your name? Casanova Fly. Casanova Fly. Casanova Fly. The C-A-S and the O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y.

I still think you deserve royalties off of that. Yeah. Hey, listen. We're going to fight I still think you deserve royalties off of that. Yeah. Hey, listen, somebody out there. We need to figure that out. How about Leland? How about Leland Robinson, somebody? He going to hear about this. You need some back pay.

Let's set up a meeting. A back pay? Back pay? No, not back pay. That's what your line is at. No, no, no. Back pay, you don't even level here, man. He talking about reparations.

Yes. I need some reparations. No, he talking about back pay. That's some porno shit. That's some porno shit. That's what he said. No, I didn about reparations. Yes. I need some reparations. No, he talking about back pain. That's some porno shit. That's some porno shit. That's what he said. No, I didn't say that shit. He said back pain.

No, you went to back pain. My mind is fucked up. All right. You want to go and sleep with the detective? Hey, man. Wait a minute. That's that Russian shit right there. You know what I'm talking about?

Okay, okay. All right, so number one, cool her. I need to hear two, three, four. Who stems from her then? No, no, no. I want, according to you. I don't give a fuck what is politically correct. I think what you would say.

What's your perspective? Your perspective. Africa Bambada. Two. Right after her? Or one of? Like there were a couple of people, but they didn't like last long enough in the landscape.

You know what I mean? To make an impact. Yeah, to make the kind of impact. Maybe to me because I knew, but not to enough people, like not enough people know the DJ that I would talk about. You know what I mean?

So I would have to say Flash was the next. So if there's like a Mount Rushmore of hip-hop DJs then of course Kool Herc, Bambaataa, Grandmaster, Flash. If we're talking about hip-hop period people,

I would have to add Melly Mel to that and probably myself to the other side. God damn it. You know what I mean?

That's the five. And that would be the five. If you want to ask them, you can ask them. You motherfucking, you can do it. Oh, I mean, of course, we can ask.

I mean, come on, AJ, DJ AJ. I mean, promoter. I mean, he was more of a promoter than he was a DJ, but the nigga wrote If I Rule the World. Scared to ask.

Why the fuck am I here? Hold on a second. Wait up. Okay. AJ wrote Curtis Gold, If If I Ruled the World The whole thing? Yeah You're pulling a lot of shit

Right now We are We are out of control And you're hurting My childhood as well It's not a bad thing I'm just saying Ghostwriting hasn't

Happened for a very long time Yeah They was there with each other And Ghostwriting Once you become an artist Man That hip hop Purest shit

Goes right out the fucking window. It don't matter who wrote it. I don't give a fuck who invented it, who idea it was, who you stole it from, motherfucker. That shit sound good? You gonna record it? Let's put that shit down.

You know? So, shit. Wait, but hold up. In this Mount Rushmore that you created, we got the five. No, no, hold up, hold up, hold up. Where do you place... See, if you're talking about...

You're saying hip-hop as a whole, I would have to include me and Melly Mel in because, you know... First of all, if you and Melly Mel would usually be cool, y'all should go and add it

at first. I mean, as groups. As groups. We never had no add-on. Oh, okay, all right, cool, cool. But you're just adding... And this is just me asking a question. You're just adding the right. Cool, cool. But you're just adding, and this is just me asking a question.

You're just adding the music side. Where do the B-Boys, the dancers, the graffiti artists come from? If you limit, listen, if you limit.

Are they a part of that Mount Rushmore? What are you thinking about? Not Mount Rushmore. Relax, buddy. Hold on. Not Mount Rushmore. Hold on.

I like his Mount Rushmore. We're not talking to you right now. I'm talking to him right now. Closing it out with his Mount Rushmore. How many people is on Mount right now. I'm talking to him right now. Closing it out with his Mount Rushmore. How many people is on Mount Rushmore right now? It's four. Four. But it's like five or seven.

And we're stretching it by putting five. So if you want to include the elements of hip-hop and every pioneer from that era. For each element, right. It'd be too much. You need more mountains than Rushmore, my man. Bars. So, You know what I mean? Bars.

So, you know what I mean? Each element would need its own mountain range or it would have to be a big enough mountain range

to fit every, you know, pioneer from that particular element. But by your account... What I'm saying, as far as the DJs is concerned,

it would be Cool Hurt, Bambada, Grandmaster Flash. I would have to include DJ Breakout because Breakout was one of the premier DJs back in the day. Not for skill or nothing like that, but he had Uptown in the Bronx on lock. And there's more Breakout Flyers than you can find pretty much most motherfuckers flyers out there. I'm talking about the original Brothers Disco, Funky 4

and then later the Funky 4 Plus One More with my sister Shah Rock that I will be on Rock the Bells Radio with. Let me say the only reason I was saying this because even by your account you were saying the B-Boys is what led everybody to downtown, was leading that charge.

Yeah, the B-Boys, along with, like, Bambada. I think, see, Planet Rock had come out by 82. Right. And Planet Rock was that merge between punk rock, that punk rock sound, and hip hop. So it was like carte blanche down there, you know what I mean? That fucking scene was crazy down there. And then Bam was one of the first cast to acquire a manager,

Lady Blue. And Lady Blue was like the... She was the way in down there to that punk rock scene and to the Roxy and all that eventually. Planet Rock came from Trans Europe Express.

Right, right, right. Germany. So his impact is indelible. Indelible. You can't not mention him. You know what I mean? Him, Grandmaster Flash being hip-hop's first turntablist. Yep.

Okay? Prior to him, everybody was just playing records. Right. You know what I mean? He's the first one to start manipulating records, you know what I mean? Absolutely.

And changing them, but being on beat with it. Theodore. Kaz told me a really dope story about when he was DJing and he was supposed to battle somebody and it ended up

becoming Theodore. Remember? Mm-hmm. Yeah, he was supposed to battle Theodore and he was like, wait, you DJ now? Because he just knew him as Teddy from the block. Because the DJ was actually

bigger than the MC back then, right? It was all about the DJ. At the beginning of hip-hop, it was the DJ. The DJ and the B-Boys. The DJ was nigger getting pussy. Let's keep it real. Yeah, but the MC was shouting out the drug dealers. So he was getting a little pussy. The MC was picking up the DJ. Yeah, but prior to that, yeah, the MC was shouting out the drug dealers. So he was getting a little positive. The MC was bigging up the DJ. Yeah, but prior to that, yeah, the MC was bigging up the DJ.

And prior to that, the DJ was bigging up his damn self. Me, that's how I became a dual role. I DJ and I MC. My DJ would fuck up every time I would go to do something like crucial, like I wrote this rhyme that's this and this and that, and when I get to this point, and when I say this, boom, you bring in the record.

And nine times out of 10, niggas would fuck me. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, fuck y'all. And I start DJing for myself. Wow. So that's why they started calling me the first simultaneous DJ MC. I'm not the first dude to DJ and

MC, but I'm the first guy that documented that could DJ and rap at the same time. I'm cutting my own record. I'm cutting my own record. Give me a break beat and I'm cutting that shit up and I'm rhyming over it.

That's crazy. It still gets busy to this day. You put your dead bottles in here, you foul bro? Yeah, what the fuck, bro? I thought I spilled your fucking shit. That's the reason why I'm glad there's nothing in there. Maybe it has something in there.

Now I realize it's not. Holy moly, man. your fucking shit. That's the reason why I'm glad there's nothing in there. Maybe it has something in there. Now I realize it's not. You foul motherfucker. Holy moly, guacamole, man. So, we already promoted the Indiana detective, which I told you I liked, right? Right.

What we need to promote is the culturally canceled with Russell Peters. Culturally canceled? That's your podcast? That's my podcast. One day when you're in L.A., I'd like to have you on it.

You know, I got your back, bro. We'll do that Nobu if it makes you happy. It'll make him happy. Yeah, it'll make me happy. I love Nobu. I like expensive shit. Let me ask you something You know, I got your back, bro. We'll do that Nobu if it makes you happy. It'll make him happy. Yeah, it'll make me happy. I love Nobu. I like expensive shit.

Let me ask you something. Yes, I'm in. Do you remember when Swiss Beats made the announcement that he wanted to give old school pioneers a million dollars

each? Each. We going there? I mean. For like reparations. Tell them. Talk, talk, talk, talk. Did you hear about that? Yes, I did. What was your take on that? I wanted. For like reparations? Tell him. Talk to him. Did you hear about that?

Yes, I did. What was your take on that? I wanted my million dollars as well. No, nigga, you supposed to be one of the donors. I'm old school, too. You said you were the same fashion as a motherfucker, man. I'm in. I'm in.

Hell yeah. That's a check. To tell you the truth, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm in. I'm in. Hell yeah. Nah, nah. That's a check. To tell you the truth, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to be honest with you. Swiss actually got that idea from us. We actually was been promoting.

I forget who got sick. And we was like, this is terrible. The rap community. Jimmy Spicer. Huh? Jimmy Spicer got sick. No, it wasn't. That's when we started talking about it? No, God bless it. It wasn't him.. Huh? Jimmy Spicer got sick. No, it wasn't... That's when we started talking about it?

No, God bless him. It wasn't him. But it was somebody that just got sick and we were just like, you know what? Blood, sweat... I think it was Herc.

I think it was Herc. No. No, it wasn't Herc. It wasn't Herc. No, it might have been when Curtis had a heart attack. Oh, yes. I think that's what it was.

Yeah, you're on point. You're on point. So, and we were just like, you know what? It's ill for us to, you know, separately try to do something good for them. But the thing about it is,

once you put in a certain amount of time in this business, we should have a goddamn union that says if you bump your fucking foot on the fucking shit after you wake up in the morning and you're going on your way to brush your teeth. And you hit your big toe and your big toe turns purple.

Hip hops will come in to take care of that shit. I agree. We put the only entertainment that doesn't have a union is boxing. Boxing is a brutal sport. Just what we're saying. Are we saying that we're boxers? You are. We're here to kill each other.

It's a pugilist sport. Because everyone is not going to make it to the promised land. Everyone is not. But everyone deserves the same promised land. Wow. Especially if you put in that certain time. For us,

I'm trying to get back to your question. Because what we were saying, me and EFM was saying was we should form a hip-hop union. Every time you get anything and it's hip-hop related, 5% should go to that union. Like a SAG. And my thing was always like saying SAG. Like a SAG.

But 5% of... And I think we got most people that's down with that. But I want you to reiterate, what did you feel when you heard that? I mean, I thought the sentiment was good. I just don't think it was well thought out because if you think about it, who is a pioneer of hip hop? And then you've got to think, all right, how do you define a pioneer in hip-hop? And who can say? Well, them five people that you named.

The council. What did you say? The council. That's what I'm calling them. The council. Kool Herc. Grandmaster Flash. Bambada.

Him and Mel. Melly Mel. Grandmaster Flash, Bambata, Him and Mel. Mel E. Mel, Grandmaster Cat. Would decide who's who. I wouldn't have a problem with that. I feel like if that was... Because who knows better? The first five millions

to go to y'all five. If we give you reparations, it's going to... If we give you reparations, yes. That first five million. Rapparations, you called it. I call it rapparations, and I want you to know I debuted it right here

on Drink Champs, all right? That's my new quote, rapparations. That's just real, though. Hold those aside. It is real. It's as real as it is for our people. For black people as a whole who deserve reparations.

Anytime that you've been exploited over a period of time and people have benefited and not just benefited, but I mean become they fucking control everything at this point and could take the amount of money that it takes to give you reparations out their motherfucker pocket and walk. There could be a way that you could circumvent someone having to give their own money and you siphon it from taxes if the government got involved. I mean, that's probably more complicated. A little bit. But you could circumvent. You know what? more complicated. A little bit. But you could create it. You said sugar paint is complicated. You give them our original 40 acres in a mule that you promised us in the first place.

Okay. No more, no less. Right. It was our first 40 acres in a mule you promised us in the first place. There's enough land left out here for us to fill up. So that's where I'm at with it.

God damn it, man. Yo, man. Um, I Like to see a versus with cold crush versus fantastic just to bring it back. Mmm See, that's a way that's a good way of doing it. They could give back Yeah, but then we got to work for that so that's not reparation that's not reparation if I gotta do more work for something that you already own you're right that's not I respect that

I'm gonna look out for you what you gotta do is perform again another way of looking at it is it opens up the younger generation to actually see it in real life you know they heard about it and now it is right in front of you now going back and looking at that footage i was like i was so amazed because i was just like damn this is real hip-hop like after watching versus and then going back and then doing this and watching y'all battle, I was just like, damn, that is

hip-hop. That's the essence. That's the essence of hip-hop. Of hip-hop and battling. You know what I mean? And people took for granted the DJ, like you said earlier. I mean, him being on point was

everything. When did it go from being about the DJ to being about the MC? Well what happened who's getting most pussy what happened the DJ was getting all the pussy? Okay at first right the MC's was guys who used to help Carry the crates MC was carrying the crates before they would I need you to carry my crates next time. Yo, I got you in the crates. I got you in the crates. I'm bringing the crates and drinks to us, and you carrying them. I got you in the crates. Listen.

I'll go through my arms. You want to get behind the ropes, nigga? Carry them goddamn crates. Bring them motherfucking crates. That's the way you pay due. Carry that motherfucking speaker in. That's the way you pay due. Hey, man, I carry the spit bucket,

so it's the same shit. Even Boris carried crates for me, man. He's still carrying crates in my mind. So I made all the equipment. He's carrying a keg right now. What a lot of niggas take for granted today, you know, everybody wants to claim ownership and yeah, I did this and I'm this and I'm so-and-so.

If you go back to the beginning of this shit, if I didn't bring my equipment outside, it wouldn't be no fucking party. Okay? I never walked up to no motherfucking set and was like, all right, let's go. I had to bring my shit outside.

My own shit. Okay? If it broke, I had to pay for it. To transport it, I had to pay for it. All right? If it was a nice day outside,

niggas was like, yo, casual, let's bring the set out. You know what I mean? All right, fuck it. Come on. Yo, who you got? It's like nine niggas like, yo, casual, let's bring the set out. You know what I mean? All right, fuck it, come on. Yo, who you got? It's like nine niggas outside my door,

ready to carry everything out. All right, boom, let's get it. Go out, play all day, this and that, play party, the riches, this and that, such and such. And then the night start getting dark, motherfuckers disappear. Now I'm standing out in the motherfucking park with a bunch of equipment, you know what I mean,

by my fucking self. Breaking your back. I got to get all that shit home. See, so those are the kind of dudes that people don't understand that you paid prior to hip hop being what you see it as. Me being Grandmaster Kaz today comes from me being that nigga that had to carry all of his equipment in three fucking taxi cabs, okay, to back and forth to different events and shit like that. So.

Real talk. Oh, my God, man. Holy moly. That's what you can attribute that shit to. And we didn't really talk about my crew, my group, the Cold Crush Brothers. Goddamn. We overcharging niggas for what they did to the band.

They tried to have Charlie Chase here today. He's in Chicago right now. Yeah, well, that's a good thing. You know what I mean? No, no, no. Why you laughing? That's that bullshit, yo. That's my man Chase with the funky bass.

I'm just laughing at the line. I think I've seen Chase more than you've seen Chase. Probably. Y'all don't really speak? No, no, we speak all the time. He gave me his contacts. Come on, we down, but he just down here, and we up top. But as far as the group is concerned,

I've gone through so many different... People talk... They call it now reinventing yourself. Reinventing yourself. And that's supposed to be something that you got to become adept to if you want any longevity in this business. Right. Well, I started out in this shit as a B-boy. Okay? B-boy meaning? Dance. B-boy. Break as a B-boy, okay? B-boy meaning?

B-boy, break dancer, B-boy, Bronx boy, original, you know, B-boy, and going to parties, dancing. And one day, Herc was playing at a club called the Heavilo, and a security used to be standing outside and shit, and one day he blinked. And when that nigga's eyelid went down nigga eyelid went down I shot up in that motherfucking club and I hid behind the speaker for about I don't know about 20 to 30 minutes and I just saw everything that went on and then I was like yo this is the fuck it I didn't say it like that but I was like yo this is it this is what to do. See, I don't want to be one of the hundreds of people out here dancing. I want to be that one person

that's making all these hundreds of people dance. And that's when I decided I wanted to be a DJ. You know what I mean? It don't get no harder than that. I used to stand outside the motherfucker just listening to records he might play because I was too early to get in.

And I'd just see if I could catch it. Who was the DJ you looked up to besides Herbie? All of the early DJs because there were different genres of DJs. So, you know, Hollywood, of course, was the disco. Disco. Not so much disco

when you think in the sense of disco, like this kind of disco. Nah, disco, like this kind of disco. Nah, he wasn't that kind of disco. He was the grown and sexy. The grown and sexy. R&B. Suit, tie. You know what I mean?

Flat shoes. You know what I mean? Flat shoes. What about Coke La Rock then? Coke La Rock was the MC for Kool Herc. And he sold a lot of nickels. Exactly. Well, for us, Coke La Rock was the MC for Cool Herc. For Herc, yeah. And he sold a lot of nickels. Exactly. Well, for us, Cochlearock was the first hip-hop MC

because he was the first man on the microphone to stand next to a DJ playing hip-hop music. Wow. You understand what I'm saying? Now, hip-hop, Cochlearock was more in the vein of like a Last Poets. Okay, you know how the Last Poets was and

they didn't rap so much as they rhymed or they didn't rhyme so much as they rapped. You know what I mean? Right, yeah. Okay, and that was Coke with Rock's vibe. You know what I mean? But that eventually evolved.

See, early people on the mic was DJs just making announcements. Right. I'm a DJ. I'm like, yo, this and this and that. Next week, we're going to be at the PAL where we rock well. We want to see your face in the place. Trying to say it on beat. Right, right, right.

Just a little, you know, a little stick shit. The PAL Police Athletic League. Police Athletic League, yeah. That's good. Namely, the one on 108th Street. Goddamn. The PL Police Athletic League. Police Athletic League, yeah. That's good. Namely, the one on 108th Street. Goddamn. And Webster in the Bronx. Goddamn.

But these little quips and these little things eventually became verses. And they eventually, no, lines. They became lines. And then it became like punchlines. And then it became verse bars. And then it became verses. And then it evolved into raplines and then it became verse bars and it became verses. And then it evolved into rap as we know it today.

But they all come from somebody in the put saying, yo, my man Russ is in the house. He cooling out without a doubt. Rock the house. Rap came from shit like that. You know what I mean? And TV commercials.

Let me drop a real jewel on you. Nobody, nobody that come on this fucking show is going to say this to you. Okay. The early, one of the earliest inspirations for rhyming and MCing came from a car

commercial. Okay. A Great Bear commercial. Great Bear? Great Bear. You know where you get your car fixed? Great Bear commercial. Great Bear? Great Bear. You know where you get your car fixed? Great Bear? All right, y'all niggas, it's something different now. Back then, there was this...

I'm from Miami. I don't know about the Great Bear. It was this car company called... Not a car company, but a repair place where they fix your car. It was called Great Bear. And they had this commercial that used to come on, right? And it used to go like this.

You're driving down the highway in the dead of night and up ahead there's a terrible sight. Then you hit the brakes, they're not all there. You miss this one by only a hair. You say a little prayer, you take your breaks, and you turn around, and then you look for Great Bear. And that was the original theme for how niggas start rapping. That Great Bear commercial.

If you listen to most people who rap in the early days, they sound the same cadence. The this and that, the this and that, the this, this and that. I don't know to this day that's the was that nigga on a commercial? The this, this, and that. I don't know. Somebody know who that nigga is? MC Big Bear, man. Some fucking ad guy, probably. But, I mean, you can trace rap and all the elements of hip hop. You can trace them all back to other things and things that have been done long before us.

Long before us. But you can't say, I got this dance from the Nicholas Brothers when I never seen the motherfucking Nicholas Brothers. This is that energy that was transported to me and my generation. Right. Just having to be the same energy from that generation. Jesus, I'm taking a shot for that.

I'm sorry. Yes. I'm sorry. Would you like a shot, Russell Peters? I'm down for that. All right, cool. I'm going to take a whole nice shot. You got to take a whole nice shot. Come on, goddamn.

A whole nice shot. Holy shit. We're waiting for you, Grand Master Cat. Holy shit. I ain't going to lie. I said this earlier. I used to make people Google for me Now I Google for myself

This was the most funnest I've ever researched Researched on somebody Because I appreciate you baby That's just Your history just kept going And it just kept going

And I look at rap Like we're superheroes Like people who've been through rap And I'm sorry for anybody In the military I look at rap like we're superheroes. Like people who've been through rap, and I'm sorry for anybody in the military, I'm sorry for anybody, but I look at it like that. It's like you've been through the military,

we went through war, and now we just got to be regular people. Right, civilians. We got to be civilians, and none of us know how to be a civilian. Yo, you right. You right. That's a great analogy. You right, you right. That's what made you... And he makes fun of me?

That's a great analogy. What do you mean? Hold up, hold up. Tell him. I should know that. And your first album was The War Report. Yeah, imagine, so he hasn't adjusted yet. I'm literally fucked up.

He's not adjusted yet. That made, you know, that put you in that position. But the whole thing, the whole culture was built on our need for self-expression you know when hip-hop started the Bronx was fucked up you know the city at large was fucked up but really concentrated because when you know the Cross Bronx Expressway was was designed and built that shit ran right through the fucking Bronx and tore a hole Through the whole Bronx and a whole community that is this traffic there to this day was falling they tore down houses to make It out house and this place people all over to make that shit happen

The worst sorry in the world the conditions that existed when hip-hop started was the reason why I think people Come toward the Bronx as far as hip-hop because I know a lot of people from Queens, Doreen, and I'm talking about cats I know, people like the Disco Twins and the guys that used to play out on Reese Beach back in the days. It's like, well, shit, we was doing, we was playing music way before Kool Herc. What? Yes, you were. I remember as a child, my sister lived in Queens and she used to take me out there

to see Plummer and Maboya and DJs like that. But nobody wasn't cutting up no records. Right. If you look at anybody great out there, their main record when they played

was Love is the Message. Apache too? Apache when it caught on, when hip-hop started playing. Okay. Because these wasn't records they played on the radio. Hip-hop come from those records that they don't play on the radio. And not even the whole record.

You just play the beat of the record. That's where all the samples from hip-hop come from. That's where the rhythm, the flow, the drums, all that come from those original break beats. You know what I mean? And the thing that makes it hip-hop is we're not playing the whole record. Throughout at least two, three hours of this party, all you're hearing

is sections of records. Not the beginning either. Creating new records. Not even the beginning of the record. Right. Creating a record unto itself. Right. The break itself created new music

today that people listen to today. Let me ask you this question, right? The message, right, came out, meant like

real street shit, but then the message gets remade from Puff Daddy and Mase. Uh-huh. You see that? And Ice Cube first. Ice Cube used it too. Uh-huh. You see that? And Ice Cube first.

Ice Cube used it too. Yeah, yeah. Ugh, I forgot that part. Ice Cube used it too. Yeah, yeah. What I think... Check yourself. A question is void.

Yeah, with Dazza Facts. Yeah, because it was check yourself before you wreck yourself. All right, cool. I mean, by that, first of all, as far as Ice Cube's concerned,

you're talking about the nigga who made Jackin' for Beats, all right? He jacked all East Coast beats. He go get what he want. But, I mean, rightfully so.

You know what I mean? His first album was done by the Bomb Squad. Yeah. Here in New York. Here's a better question. Public Enemy. This is the question

I've been wanting to ask all night. Khamenei made a record talking about he used to love her. I used to love her. I love that shit. All right. So so let's just relate to that, right?

Hip-hop was a girl in the Bronx. How did you recognize that girl when she went to the West Coast? Well... Or did you even recognize her? Her pussies from all the scenes? Jesus Christ.

She got fake titties when she went to sorry, Richard. She got fake titties when she went to the West Coast. She got fake titties when she went to the West Coast? No, not in the West Coast. No, she got gangsta. Let me shut the fuck up and just ask you.

I related to that on so many different levels. What's the first West Coast act you heard? Huh? What's the first West Coast act you heard? First West Coast act I heard?

What the fuck are they doing out there? Uh, no. I heard? What the fuck are they doing out there? Uh, no, I can't say Ice-T over here. Somebody Worldcast record. No, it was like Arabian Prince. Really? Which is NWA. Egyptian Lover for me.

Egyptian Lover. Yeah, those guys, that boom. But eventually that's NWA. Boom, boom, boom. Them niggas. And the beat go boom, boom, boom. They were trying to look like y'all. They were trying to look like y'all. Nah, nah, nah, fuck that. Don't put that's NWA. Boom, boom, boom. Them niggas. And the beat go boom, boom, boom. They were trying to look like y'all. Nah, nah, nah, fuck that.

Don't put that shit on us. Don't put that shit on us. They was like ready for the world. They was on some funkified shit over here. There was a lot of Jerry Curl juice floating around. We're not dissing the West Coast either, bro. I'm talking West Coast over here. Never that.

Never that. Never that. Never that. That's my second home, okay? That's the only other place I had a residence, okay? And out there, I mean, we got mad love, but I learned a lot. I learned a lot. And Ice-T was the first MC from the West Coast that I met and gravitated toward because they had a club called Radiotron.

Radiotron. Yeah, out there. I love how Russell Peters know all the stories. This nigga's a historian, man. He's a detective. He don't play. It ain't his thing. This nigga research like you do.

Yeah, I love it. And he's a fucking elephant. He retains all that shit. So, yeah, Radiotron. So that's when I first met Ice. They probably just took out the same can. All right. That's love.

I just saw that. That's beautiful. I'm on it. Come on. You got a 13-year-old letter. We got another 15 minutes, and that's it. We got to go. But come on.

Yeah, yeah. Come on. I'm sorry. Give us this stuff dirty. So, yeah, yeah. I can't stop these guys. These guys are great. What the fuck?

Y'all keep... Okay, we just keep talking. We don't give a fuck. Just keep going. We don't give a fuck. Here you go. We was in Megatron. What was it called? Radiotron.

Radiotron. Yeah, Radiotron. So that's when I first met Ice-T. Six in the morning. Africa Islam from Zulu Nation. Son of Bambaataa. Okay. Had relocated out there to the west coast to L.A.

And he became Ice-T's producer. So I met Ice when I did the radio tron out there and we connected and Ice I was talking to him we was building and and I told him. Jerobo in the building god damn how you gonna miss the part? Oh shit not my brother. How you doing? How you gonna miss the blunt? Good to see you man man. I threw him a blunt. He missed it. Jerome, you're in the building. Russell Peters is coming. I'm sorry. I can't continue.

You're talking about me. It's the Tron shit. Come on. Come on, Russell Peters. Help me out. So me and Ice-T was building. So he was like, yo, I want to do this hip-hop shit, man. But I need a group, man.

I want to get a group. I was like, yo, can you write rhymes by yourself? Can you write your own rhymes? He was like, yeah. I said, then you don't need a group man I want to get a group I was like yo Can you write rhymes By yourself Can you write your own rhymes He was like yeah I said then you don't need a group I mean I said just stay by yourself Go solo Do your own thing

I said you had this whole West Coast shit on lock By yourself Wow Ask him Wow He tell you to this day That's why he called me

One of his mentors You know what I mean But the ill shit is And I don't think a lot of people know Is that Ice-T's from New Jersey. I feel like you should stop. He was born in New Jersey. Say that.

But he was like in his 20s when he moved to the West Coast. That's a grown-ass man. That's a grown-ass man. He's a New Jersey kid, originally. I'd just like to blow your mind a little bit. I don't want to live with you in Los Benes. How about this? How about this?

Ice-T from New Jersey moved to the West Coast in the early 80s and then picked up hip-hop from there. Yeah. That's like saying he's the first Tupac because Tupac was actually really,

really New York. From New York and then Baltimore. Then he moved to Oakland. Oakland

and Dennis. He's telling me Ice-T is the same thing. Essentially. He's my friend. I don't even want to hit him right now. What is he?

Is he the same thing? They say Ice-T moved to the West Coast in the early 80s from New Jersey. In his 20s. That's my friend. I don't even want to hit him right now. What is he? Is it the same thing? They say Ice-T moved to... West Coast in the early 80s from New Jersey. In his 20s. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah, in his 20s? I mean...

He didn't finish the service. I don't know about his age. That means he from Brick City then. Yeah. From Newark, right? From Newark, somewhere around there. After 14, wherever you grew up at, that's where you fucking from. Yeah.

I don't even think that. He didn't even... Are we reclaiming Ice-T right now? He went to the military and then he moved to the West Coast. Shit. This is history.

We reclaiming it. That's why he could do New Jack's scene no problem. This is history. Yes, yes, yes, yes. A motherfucking, oh, my man, Morgan Freeman

and his bitches. Did you get one of them good blunts? That's a good one. Yeah, I got one. You want me to write it? Let me tell you something. Let me just say something. Is that the Peruvian Blunt?

Let me just say something real quick. I'm going to give it right back to you real quick. I hung out with Dave Chappelle in Atlanta one day. I saw you. And I fucking had the mid-weed on me. I was so, like, I landed. My boy said, I got some eye weed. I was like, alright, cool, fuck it. I just went straight to St. Regis, brought my

bags down, went, we went straight, Mr. Mee, Mr. Lee, boom. I don't know, I'm running to fucking Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle walks in, I'm like, oh, shit. He's like, oh, shit. I was like, you gotta pass the blunt to Dave Chappelle. Pass the blunt to Dave Chappelle. I'm looking, he walks away with the blunt. I'm like, shit, if this motherfucker

realizes I just handed him a million blunt, okay It's been fucking with me for you'll be some Martin Lawrence This thing is here this whole weekend I had my boy Morris come over we rolled this is little bombs get Hey, Dana made sure a day the VIP room was shut up The first day and all the other days my brothers your robe we came through and made sure we got through But let me tell you something. I smoked that room out. I mean sure I know you know I came with the back You know see now you I mean you got the car blouse. You can go anywhere. I have one.

You need another one? Yeah. Take another one, goddammit. I feel like we should take another shot. I just feel like it. I'm with you. Let's do it by my whana. By everybody.

Let's do it by my whana. Come on, my Henny boys got me. They gonna get me where I need to be. Did you just call them the Henny boys? That's my Henny boys over there. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Yeah!

Listen, we go through that. That's very violent,, on and off. If you drink Hennessy all day, you're violent. Yeah, I'm trying. I don't, y'all my niggas, don't worry about it. I identify, I'm thinking of me. My man Puerto Rico, Big Dame, my man KB, Black Man, and my man Big Tone.

Let's make some noise for them. What up, what up, what up, what up, what up? Yeah. Hey, you taking a shot with us? Yeah, I'm taking a shot. Okay, are you working? Y'all good? Y'all working?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pour yourself a shot first, though. Hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to take a shot of this with you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, baby. No problem. Take that Habibi, baby.

You want to try this? No, no. Now, listen, I don't want to be honest. I'm going to try whatever, nigga. How many times I'm going gonna be on drink chat? Anytime you want. Anytime you want. Come on, Jerobe. Come on here and get a shot.

We ain't gonna cheer right now, but come get a shot. Jerobe the legend. It's okay. We love you, nigga. Come on, nigga. I miss you, bro. I think about you all the time. You said she was here? I came through. I love you, man. Thank you., bro. I think about you all the time. Since you was here? Yes.

I came through. I love you, man. Thank you. You already know, fam. You know, that's a great question. Yo, tell your team to come and take the drink over here. Yeah, come on. Get over here. Yo, come on. Henny boys, god damn it.

Let's go, Henny boys. Henny men. Henny men. Henny men. Henny men. Not me, Henny men. Henny men. I just drank your new shit.

Henny men. Where's that from? Follow me. Henny men. That's it. I just drank your shit. Henny man, where's that from? Follow me. Henny man. That's his new name. Henny man. That's dope. God damn it, man.

All right. Yo, love, love, man. Love, love, love. Come on. Come on, brothers. Brothers, salute, salute, salute. Great to meet everybody. Salute, fellas.

All right. With the mean bucket on. I'm watching you. Salute. Got the mean bucket on. That's delicious. Some wrong, some queen shit though right there. Theute, fellas. Salute. With the mean bucket on. I'm watching you. Salute. Got the mean bucket on. That's delicious. That's some real nice, some queen shit, though, right there.

The bucket is us. Let's just be clear. Salute. Salute, man. Salute. Grandmaster motherfucking Cass, we love you. Thank you for doing what you do, what you did, and continue to do.

We always going to salute. We always going to respect you. And we love you, brother. Thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, and we love you, brother. Thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, those legends right here, man. So I got one more question, then we're gonna take a picture

and then drop. Ooh, that shit is smooth. Is that not smooth? Keep it. That's my one. I don't work for the company. I don't work for the company. That one was a little hot.

My man's been trying to get me on this Japanese whiskey for three years. You drink some more of that, you'll see spirits. Shit. That's that Japanese whiskey, baby. All right. I love you. Who?

I mean, Big Bang Hank right there. I did mine. LT. Oh, shit. So what's next? Grandmaster Cash, so what's next for you, man? What we doing? I don't know what I did like I said we was talking about earlier about

reinvention I mean I started out as DJ Casanova Fly DJ MC Casanova Fly to Grandmaster Casanova Fly to Grandmaster Kaz I shortened my name from Casanova Fly because Grandmaster Flash had a security crew called the Casanovas

who were gangsters. And I didn't like me being Casanova Fly like I was affiliated with them. So anything could have happened to me behind some shit they did. You know what I mean? And they were foul. Not foul, but they were security. But they was them niggas in the street. You know, Black Spades, you know what I mean?

And all that. Black Spades. I street. You know, Black Spades, you know what I mean, and all that. Black Spades. I always want to know about Black Spades. So I just shortened my name to Kaz from Casanova Fly. That's why my name is Kaz in the first place. And then from different groups, I mean, and crews and guys leaving and going to other places, me and having to start over. First I had the Casanova Fly and Disco Wiz, and then my man Wiz got knocked and went to other places, me and having to start over. First I had to cast an old flying disco whiz,

and then my man whiz got knocked and went to jail. Then I had to recruit other niggas. Disco whiz in Puerto Rico, right? Yeah, yeah. Puerto Rico and half Puerto Rico and half Cuban. I told you, bro. It's like you and Norrie hit it. The Cubans, bro.

I'm Cuban, man. I didn't believe Cubans was there. So you're saying Cubans was there? Yes, Cubans was there. I didn't have Cubans, my nigga. I'm telling you, I had all the Latinos. All Latinos. I told you, we was there.

So, I mean, from the Mighty Force to the Force 5 to the Notorious 2, when it was just me and JDL, until they recruited me to the Cold Crush, and, you know, until after the Cold Crush, you know what I mean? I've had to keep going and do different things. Now, this day, man, I'm doing everything from hip-hop sightseeing tours.

Which is dope. It's dope. I've been doing that for 18 years. That's super dope, man. Sightseeing tours? Yeah, bro. It's just dope. Hush hip-hop sightseeing tours.

I take people from all around the world on a bus in Midtown Manhattan, and then I take them uptown to the Harlem and the Bronx. Who better to do that than Grandmaster Kaz? And I show them where hip-hop happens. This is fire! Like, who do you want, Mr. Lee to do that? No! Grandmaster Kaz!

Exactly. So you told him to start a fucking bodega in New York. Look at Mr. Lee, buddy. It's not going to be you, bro. Oh, that's fire! I'll take you to 1520 Sedgwick Avenue. Wow, that's fire! I didn't know that.

You didn't know? No, I never heard that. That shit is dope. We got to do it on DreamChance. We got to go on DreamChance and bring the cameras. Wow, that's fire. I've been doing that for 18 years. Wow, you just said that.

That's fire. So I also host the, it was formerly the Tools of War Summer Park Jams up in Katona Park and all in the parks around New York. The Tools of War, which was Chris TZ and Popmaster Fable, they dropped out in 2018. I took over in 2019. So I've been doing that since then. We had a break with COVID and now we're back. So every year I got like three to four well three to five thousand

people out in a park every Thursday in July. Rocket. Exactly. And we got, I mean DJ Scratch, I got cash money out there. I got real niggas out there. What? Lord Finesse did it? Lord Finesse? We need to go out there. Lord Finesse helped start it. Anytime. We gotta go out there. Come on, anytime.se did it? Go Finesse? We need to go out there. Go Finesse helped start it. Anytime.

We got to go out there. Come on, anytime. Just let us win. I'm trying to fill you in. I'm trying to let you know what's going on. My organization, Windows of Hip Hop,

I mean, we making magic in the community. We are building a studio in a Bronx elementary school, CS55. We adopted the school and they adopted us. So with the help of

the borough president and our councilwoman, Vanessa Gibson, we donated funds to the school and we're playing active roles in the kids' development. We got hip-hop curriculums that we've written and put forward

and implemented in these projects that we're implementing in the schools. And I'm more excited about that than anything else that we're doing out there right now. I've just been appointed the official DJ for Kumo D now because I've been on tour with him for the last few years. We did a joint together called Notice.

I'm on the road with him. Me and Shy Rock is going to start Rock the Bells Radio. We're going to have a show three hours Monday through Friday on Rock the Bells. That's a platform that I think I was made for.

Yeah. Legends. I've been following you. You know what I mean? Legends. And even though I've been doing this for a long time,

I haven't been doing it in this format. And I understand that there's different dynamics to entertainment. And you got to recognize that, yo,

this radio, nigga, this ain't the stage. Right. Right. This ain't the studio. Right. I mean,

this is something else. So, I definitely been checking, you know, you, I mean, how y'all do your things, how shit rock

and shit like that. So, appreciate you and hopefully I do half as well. Nah, listen, let me just tell you something,

man. Nah, you're going to kill it. We got your back. This is your platform. This is your platform. This is your format. Anytime you want to come on here, and even if you want to pick your toes on here, it's okay. We don't give a fuck.

You want to FaceTime us when you can't come? You FaceTime us and chime in? Nah, listen. You come to Miami. Anytime you come to Miami, you want to be here just to talk about, I don't give a fuck. You want to talk about the new gazelles you got. Come in. this is what we owe. This platform

is yours. We made it for you. We made it for people of your stature. And if you ever want to talk to the media, don't go to the media. Just go to your homies. You go to your homies. When your homies got your back, it's going to let you do what the fuck you want to do.

We love you. We respect you. We got to take a couple pictures. We got to take some drops. And we got to wrap this the fuck up. But listen, this was fucking a pleasure. Oh, we was mad excited. You know, we real hip-hop fans.

I mean, I know he was excited, but I couldn't tell because, you know, I didn't see you until just now, until we got here. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And I don't want to blow you up, but I believe that I am in a position that I can do this with no repercussions. Let's go. We love you, baby. Go ahead.

Now, Russ hooked us up. Once Russ did Drake, they've been asking me, EF has been calling me, but I haven't got no feedback. So he was like, no, I said E-A-F. I mean E-F-N. E-F-N, I'm sorry.

All right, really? He's a slicker. He should be laughing. Really? Let's take another shot. Hold on, hold on. First of all, I've been calling you EF-N. DJ E first of all, I've been calling you effing.

DJ Effing. I've been calling him effing, too. And then I've been seeing things that say DJ E-F-N. Right, right, right. I tried to incorporate both of them together. I got to take it. Are you going to do a whiskey with me? I got you.

Let's go. Let's do Mama Juan. Let's go. Let's get you. Let's go. Pass me that fireball over there. You want to do the fireball? That's enough. That's do Mama Ju. Let's go. I got you. Let's go. Pass me that bottle. Pass me that bottle. The Indian detective has to drink all of that. You want more or that's enough?

That's enough? Go ahead. That's enough or you want more? Hit me like you hit yourself. Yeah, I'm going to light on it, because that shit is. Come on, don't worry about it, bro. The spirits are in here. That shit is thick.

You need to shake that bottle up. It's got sediment in the bottom. That's what I, at the end, I get really into things. So listen, you know, are you familiar with? Do you want ice or no ice? No, I'm good. I'm good. If you're going to go straight, I'm going to go straight. I'm going straight. I'm into things. So listen, you know, are you familiar with... Do you want ice or no ice? No, I'm good, I'm good. If you're going to go straight, I'm going to go straight. I'm going straight.

I'm going straight. All right, boom. Bruh. Boom. Boom, may all your pain be champagne. All right, let me drink some champagne, goddamn. Dale, get the play. Oof.

Oof. It's sweeter as it gets thicker. Yo, I want to salute my Henny boys that came down to support me. They came down. They came down to support me. Someone got to eat this shit. Nah, I ain't. Come on, let's take the bridges.

They're not there. Yeah, because they literally shut us down. But come on, let's keep it going. Let's take these bridges. Let's get it. Holy moly, guacamole. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by yours truly

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