Drink Champs - Episode 280 w/ Ja Rule

Episode Date: September 24, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with the icon, Ja Rule!DC Alumni and fresh off his historic VERZUZ battle, Ja Rule joins us!Ja talks about his recent VERZUZ battle with Fat Joe, his career and much more!Lots of laughs and stories that you don’t want to miss!Make some noise!!!💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's a legendary Queens rapper. Hey, hey, Segre, this your boy N.O.R.E. He's a Miami hip-hop pioneer. One of his DJ EFN. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players. You know what I mean? In the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And your number one source for drunk facts.

It's Drink Chats motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New for drunk facts. It's Drink Champs motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New Year's Eve. It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfuckers. What it could be? Hopefully it's what it should be. It's your boy N.O.R.E. What up?

It's DJ E.F.N. And this is Drink Champs motherfucking yappy hour. Make some noise! And right now, this was our second guest we ever had on Drink Champs. He's been my friend forever. We lived down the block

from each other for 10 years. I actually got to see this man's success bubble. He was like a gold artist and he moved down the block. Then he became 10 million. He still lived down the block. This man's cars

changed drastically. He had six cars. I had six cars. My six was not like his six. He had six cars, I had six cars, but my six was not like his six. He had a Maybach, before a Maybach was a Bayback. This is a fact of Reno. Countless, continuously number one hits. Legendary stands on his own, with his crew, but he stands on his own with his crew but he stands on his own

just went against what rightfully can would have been very it would have been drastic had it went the other way a lot of people betted against him big facts but he stood out there he stood the test of time went the other way. A lot of people betted against him. Big facts. But he stood out there.

He stood the test of time and the people have chosen and said, this is the victor. In case you guys are listening to this show,

you guys are driving, you don't know what the fuck we're talking about we're talking about okay listen listen efn you know how we do this we usually ask a couple of questions before we pop a bottle but this is how we do this a special occasion This is special occasion We blended them today First of all, I want you to pick your bottle. So you pick your Grammy. Okay. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna go

Send them gold bottles look good, but you know. Gold bottles look good, but you know. Yeah, but you know. That rosé is richer. That rosé is richer. I'm going to go with that rose, you know what I'm saying? And you get your own bottle. And look at me, there's flowers. I'm going to go with that rose. And you get your own bottle over here. We don't share bottles. We don't do that.

Don't write. Can somebody with nails? Can you? You want nails? You're Latina. You're Latino. Give me a knife. And shout out to Crazy Bowl for the grinder.

Oh, that's the Crazy Bowl grinder? Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. Yo, I need one of those crazy. Listen. This shit's crazy. This shit's crazy. Yo, I need one of those crazy bull grinders. This shit's crazy. This shit's crazy. Yeah, I need one of those.

You know what you're doing. You know what you're going to do. No, I don't know what I'm doing. Does somebody know how to use this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you open this. Boom. Stick it in.

And then, yeah. Let's go, baby. Let's go. Get this shit in there. A how-to video. Get this shit in there. We ain't getting nothing in there. Get your weed in there, brother.

Put it the fuck in there. Get your weed in there, brother. Put it the fuck in there. That's a how-to video. That's shit in there. You ain't getting nothing in there. No, I'm not. You're going to put it in there. Get your weed in there, brother. Put it the fuck in there. There you go. I think I think you good. All right, that's good. Come on.

All right, now. Now, grind it up, bro. Hold on, hold on. Listen, listen. You got to take every little piece. All right, yeah. Every little thing that we do. That's right.

Come on. Let's go. Dial it, dial it, dial it, dial it. Dial it. Dial it. Dial it. Dial it. Dial it. Get it through, man. Oh! Boris, come on. Go, Boris. Yo, what's up, Boris?

Y'all not doing it wrong. I don't know. I'm telling you not to do that. All right. OK. Now, he's doing it right. OK. OK.

All right. You got to dunk it in. You got to ease it in. You know what I'm saying? OK. All right. There you go? There you go, there you go. I don't know why I feel like your finger popping something. This is a new way to start Drink Champs. Oh, okay! Alright, boy.

But then it's just grinding the fuck up, though. Yeah, yeah, we need some of that. That's just grinding. I like that. So you just dump it in the bowl after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. But then it's just grinding the fuck up, though. Yeah, yeah. We need some out there. That's just grinding. I like that. So you just dump it in the bowl after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go.

There you go. There you go. All right, boys. We get that. We get that. Come on. Let's get it going. Compton grinding.

Let's get it going. Let's get it going. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. Take it. Take it. Take it. Take it. Take it. keep it all together. Alright, so. We up now. We up, that's what we do.

We just leave the weed on the table. Hold on, I'ma pop a gold bottle though. Alright, I'ma pop one of these. So, one of the, I could talk to you about acting, I could talk to you about rapping, but I want to focus on these verses. Okay.

I want to focus on that. Is that okay, people? Let's focus. Is everybody, let's focus on these verses. Okay, one of the first records you came out with. Yes, sir. What record was that? Which one?

The first one when I came out to the intro and I came out walked out? It was U, J, and X record. Oh, that's his murder. It was the murdering joint, X-Wreck-It. Oh, that's just murder. It was the murdering joint, right? That's just murder. Okay. That's just murder.

Okay. Yeah, y'all niggas ready or what? I had to start off with the dog. We in the mecca, you know what I'm saying? We in the garden. Right. Uh-huh. You know, I had to give rest in peace to the dog, man.

Look, he looking at you right now. Look at that. Look at that. The dog. Make some noise for the dog. Make some noise for the dog, man. Look, he looking at you right now. Look at that. Look at the dog. Make some noise for the dog. Make some noise for the dog. I actually nicknamed that theater, it's called the Dog House now, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

So anybody want to go in versus, you going to the Dog House, nigga. Because it's real in there. It's real in there. It's not, you know. I'm a Queens nigga. You don't want no spill shit. You know what I'm saying?

You don't want spill shit. You got Salo, Salo. You drinking from the bottle? I'm drinking from the bottle. Okay, I was going to talk about that. That's how we feeling today. All right, let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. I'm a cup type of dude, but it's okay. It's okay. It's okay. The bottle matched my pants. Let's go. So, so, I need to understand how does this happen?

Fat Joe calls you, Swiss calls you, Trilla calls you. Where was you at and what happened when you got the call? Okay, I'm going to tell you. So,

it was in the morning when I started getting the calls. So, the first call I seen that I missed, because I missed the calls. I missed the calls. So when I looked at my phone, I seen a call from Swiss. Now, Swiss don't usually call me. Swiss don't call nobody.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Unless it's, you know, business shit or whatever. So when I seen Swiss, I said, oh. Wait, wait a time. You're going too fast. Yeah. So when I seen Swiss, I said, oh... Wait, wait a time. You're going too fast. Yeah. So when you seen Swiss call, you said immediately... Versus.

This is... And you already knew what time it was. And you didn't get Mase calling you out. Nah, I'm thinking... You said Mase? Because nah... Just let me flow. I'm not...

The real shit is, like, I thought it was the other dude. Because that's the versus everybody been trying to make. So I was like, oh, they got him to the table. You know what I'm saying? So then right after that, I looked at my next missed call. It was Fat Joe. So then I said, oh, okay, it's probably Joe. You know what I'm saying?

So then I called, who did I call first? I think I called Crack first. Yeah, I called Crack first. I said, Crack, what's probably Chuck. You know what I'm saying? So then I called, who did I call first? I think I called Crack first. Yeah, I called Crack first. I said, Crack, what's going on? You know what I'm saying? I wanted to see if he was the actual opponent. I said, Crack, what's going on? Crack said, versus.

I said, okay. You know what I'm saying? So it's me and Crack. So me and Crack talked about what we're going to do, how we're going to do versus, which was cool. I said, yeah, let's go on and put it on for the people. Let's do it. We brothers.

It'll be great. You know what I'm saying? So then I called Swiss. And Swiss was like, yo, you want to do it? You want to, you know, whatever. I said, yeah, you know, I'm with it. So I need to ask this time frame. Had the locks and dip set already battled or they haven't battled yet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They battled. They had already battled. Yeah, they went with it. So I need to ask this time frame. Had the locks and dip set already battled, or they haven't battled yet?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They battled. They had already battled. Yeah, they went with it. So this is fresh. This is pretty recent. This wasn't planned out. This was recent. We put this verse together in two weeks, I feel like.

Word of mouth. Two, three weeks. They called me. This is the date. I was like, bet. Let's do it. You know what I'm saying? No, it wasn't real.

I didn't really have real prep time, do it. You know what I'm saying? No, it wasn't real. I didn't really have real prep time, I guess. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how everybody else got their, you know, alert that they were doing versus in advance. But I was, you know, I was straight. I, you know, like I said, versus is what it is, man. Right. But it's no longer a friendly celebration. It's no longer a celebration.

Ah, not when you bring niggas in the garden. It's, yeah, when you go into the doghouse. When you go to the doghouse. It's the doghouse. It's the doghouse. And you got to go in there and you got to. Just in case you're feeling cuppish. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll do a little cuppish. That was the open up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's do a little cuppish. That was the open up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the key going in my nose. Yeah. But, you know, it was definitely one of them things where it felt like a real heavyweight fight.

So I used to box, too, so I know what it's like to get in a ring with a person, you know, in a spa or whatever. You know what I'm saying? I ain't box like that, but, you know, I know how it feels to get in that moment But did you and Joe

talk about that before hitting the stage? Like, it's going to be a battle. We're going to put that on the stage. We're going to be against each other. Yo, so at first,

it was like we brothers. We're going brotherly, love it out. I'm like, yeah, whatever, we good. Then, as it went along, it was like, yeah, whatever. We good. Then as, you know, it went along it was like, okay. Okay, we gotta... He went for the kill.

We gotta, you know, say like... You're saying while you're doing versus it... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Even before that. Even before it... Because everybody wants to win. Exactly. I don't... These are my brothers over here. You should see how we talk to each other when we're playing dice.

Right, right. So you get it. So I get it. So when I'm walking in there, I'm like, yeah. It's not personal. It's not personal. And not for nothing, me and the dog, we used to go around and battle, too. That was where I came from.

That's why the doghouse is the same. We used to have the locks, me. That was up in Yonkers with D&Y, and then we'd go in the doghouse. You same that we used to have you know the locks me you know that was you know up in yonkers with d and y and then we go on the dog house you know what i'm saying and we we we get it in you know what i'm saying a lot of people don't know that a lot of people don't know your background because they hear that they hear the records you know uh the number one records by the way thank you you know what i'm saying? They hit the records, and I think that was like the illest thing about Versus was I guess people thought that

I don't know. I'm just saying. I guess people thought you was a sucker. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I guess, and I'm your friend, so I know the difference, and I've been fighting for you

for 10 years and saying, no, nigga, y'all got it wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like, I guess, and I'm your friend, so I know the difference, and I've been fighting for you for 10 years and saying, no, nigga, y'all got it wrong. You know what I'm saying? But I can't fight everybody. And for lack of a better term, that's what it seemed like the crowd was won over. It was like, damn, Ja Rule stood his ground. I'm a Tasmanian devil.

If you don't know me, now you know me. You know what I'm saying? I think we're supposed to make some noise for that, right? I don't think so. I don't know me. Well, you know, you're saying but it was make some noise for that, right? Not but I you know, I Come from the bottom That's right. I don't know like that's every black man's story struggle. I wish it wasn't, but it is. It's facts. We come from very, very humble beginnings. Right. Drain and Boris, you got to do Quick Time with Slime.

You got to do it. Like, I don't care if you grew up with some grass and you was in a house, you was still poor. Right. You was middle class. You and Sonny. Drain, you and Sonny. You and Sonny.

My bad. You was still considered poor. Right. Uh-huh. So we all come from that. I don't like I like it was like when no crackers making the jokes and shit like You know, I forget his other job drag these I'm like these a bring to the street Yeah, like fuck you think I'm from Beverly Hills like I'm comfortable there. I lived there, but this is miss be fair job Yeah, let's be fair. You've been making a lot of Beverly Hills records.

So that's what... See, here's what I want to clarify. Let's clarify this shit out. I want to clarify this. Let's do it. As an artist. Let's go. Hip-hop is music.

It's art. I make art. I make music. I make music for the world. So when does a rapper, a nigga that started rapping, battle rapping, and then, you know,

starts to create records that are bigger than life, when does he not become a rapper anymore? And why does he not become a rapper anymore? This should make niggas proud. This should make my fucking rap niggas proud that a nigga that came from that can do that and be that. So I think the narrative is fucked up.

When you look at a nigga like Drake, niggas look at Drake like he's some soft nigga. Nigga, he ain't soft on that mic. Nigga, that nigga go. I think he'll bust a nigga ass. That nigga can spit. I'm fucking thinking fight and all that. I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about on that mic nigga that nigga go I think he'll bust a nigga ass I'm fucking thinking of fighting all that I ain't talking about that I'm talking about on that mic that nigga's dangerous that nigga's dangerous though on that mic

that boy ain't to be played with you know what I'm saying but because he makes a certain type of record niggas look at it as soft see that's always been you know our thing in hip hop you know because we've always been the underdog we's always been, you know, our thing in hip hop, you know, because we've always been the underdog. We've always been

the outcast. So if a rapper made it bigger than what that is, he was commercial or he was a, you know, the only rappers that didn't really

get that stigma was like Run DMC. How about the same, Run DMC? Everybody else got that shit. LL, everybody.

He went commercial. He's going, you know what I'm saying these niggas is these niggas is fucking masters of ceremony man bar smiths and we shouldn't do that to our legends

we shouldn't do that to our icons we the only genre that does this shit yeah we're the number one genre in music right now

that says a lot we've overtook in country we've overtook in rock We're the number one genre in music right now. That says a lot. We've overtook in country. We've overtook in rock. Holy shit. And that's because artists like myself and other artists are able to step outside of that peripheral box and do some other shit than just two turntables And a microphone

But don't get it fucked up I do that very well You know what I'm saying And that's what Versus lets you It lets you fucking Personify It lets you go out there

And illustrate that To the world And I think That's the importance Of Versus So when I was out there You're the first artist That we had

I wasn't battling Fat Joe You know what I'm saying Let me stop you right there. I know you wasn't battling Fat Joe. I know you was battling the world. That's what I'm saying. I was going at the world.

You was going to hate America. America. The hate part of America. Y'all got me wrong. Y'all got this fucked up. Y'all been talking that talk. You know what I'm saying? And so I just hope everybody, you know,

now that they experience my stage show and my passion for the art, for the music, for the culture, I just hope now people understand who I am as Charlie.

I love motherfucking hip-hop. Hip-hop allowed me to put three motherfucking beautiful kids through college. I love hip-hop. Goddamn. I will never denounce hip-hop. Goddamn. You know what I'm saying? And I'm never going to sit here and say I'm a pop artist or I'm an R&B artist.

No, motherfucker. I'm a hip-hop artist. Right. That's able to do all of that shit. What's the dude do name Hollywood? Wu-Tang Wu-Tang, I don't want to go around with my honey bun. I mean somebody I Thought That you were the first hip-hop artist singing on the record

Grandmaster cast out of the first, in that seat and said, it was Hollywood, and he had, and I knew that record. Okay, you know, it's crazy, because I was going to give that, I was going to give that to Curtis Blocker with Daydreaming. No, but that's before that.

Yeah, that's before that. Yeah, that's before that. Yeah, that's Hollywood. Yeah, that's why, you know, that's that. See, it would take a hip-hop historian, you know, that big. Grandmaster Cass told me that. Right, that's a part of hip-hop to, you know, that's that. See, it would take a hip-hop historian to make it that big. Grandmaster Cass over there. Right, that's a part of hip-hop to tell you that.

Because, you know what I'm saying, I don't know which one of those records came first, but he would. You know what I'm saying? But let's be clear. But I got to also tip my hat to Curtis Blow because he definitely, the first song sung by a rapper was Daydreaming. Curtis Blow. I got to give it to that. The first song sung by a rapper was Daydreaming. Curse me. I got to give it to that. But look, this is what I think is important about everything we're talking about. It's not whether you could do crossover records or do pop records as a hip-hop artist.

It's if it comes natural to you. And that's the thing. There's nothing wrong with someone being underground if that's what they do good. First off, he's here on a Friday night. That's white people night at Live. You know, let's make some noise. Let's make some noise. That's white people night at Live. You know, let's make some noise. Let's make some noise. That is white people night at Live.

That is white people night at Live. I'ma drink to that. Listen, nigga, I ain't never been invited to no Friday at Live ever. Ever. Thursday, Wednesday, none of that shit. Live on Sunday night. I'm Sunday only. How you shit?

It's Monday, nigga. I'm Sunday only, nigga. So you know I'm a nigga nigga. Like, you know what I mean? They don't let me in. They don't let me in. I had to work my way up to the Friday night. Friday is something different.

It's something different. Friday is different, man. I'm telling you. So a lot of people don't know that rule. Like, there's these top 40 tours that happen every year, right? And if I was lucky, I would be on two or four of them every year. And I remember one year, you were on all of them. You was on every top 40 tour there was.

You was on one tour one time. I think you was the only black dude there. Like, it was just all, how does that feel? You know what I'm saying? Like, being able to be, like, almost O.J. What I mean by that is, I know this sounds crazy. You sound crazy right now. But O.J. almost wasn't black at one point.

At one point, O.J. was just O.J., right? He wasn't black. Like, how do you not lose yourself by being on a show with Katy Perry in? I'm always black. I'm a nigga to get in front of a whole white audience and do Destiny. But you know what I'm saying?

I did it at fucking Versus. You know what I mean? My pain gonna be the death of me but to be loved is my destiny my black people. I don't give a fuck

where I'm at. Because this is the beauty of Ja Rule. I get to be me. You know? You know what I'm saying? I get to be me. Anytime. I don't have to

put on a facade. I don't have to dress a certain way, act a certain way. None of that. I'm me. And sometimes, me comes across shocking to people. People are shocked that I play golf. People are shocked that I do,

you know, I went to fucking Harvard and, you know, got my fucking, you know, my certificate degree bullshit. What the fuck? In Harvard? I did an online course. Yeah. Man, we got to make some noise for that.

Come on, man. Let's go. I'll be seeing you in your golf tight shirts. I'll be seeing you. Yeah, I like golf. You know what I mean? Golf is relaxing to me. And I'm a competitive person.

You ever play with Brad? I don't call him Brad. Let me stop. You ever play with Scarface? Not yet. I got to play with Face. Face is really good. Actually, you know, I'm going to be out in Houston this Sunday, man.

Maybe I'll hit. He just got his kidney. He just got his kidney replaced. Me and Bun play fantasy football together. We in a league and shit. So we actually play each other this Sunday. So me and Bun, we going. I'm in Houston, so we got a show together.

So we're going to watch the game together and hang out. So what did he say after that? The Harvard? The Harvard, yeah. What is this Harvard shit about? Oh, no. Business school? I took a business course at Harvard,

you know, entrepreneurial essentials. And, you know, it's a really cool course to take, you know. But, yeah, I passed and got my Harvard certificate for that course. But, you know, these are the things that people don't know or realize about who I am. But I get to be that.

I don't shy away from that. So it's like, you know, when we crack, he hits me on the stage, he's like, you gonna come sing the Chris Brown part? Yeah, nigga, I sing, nigga. What the fuck? I'm a singing rapper, nigga. What's happening? What, another rap?

I'm not ashamed of who I am. I'm not scared to be me. That's why when things go wrong for me, and I know that I'm on the right side of history, even when it went wrong, I ain't scared to come out and show my face and be around and be the same person that I am because I get to be me because I choose that.

I don't, you know, and so that's important for all you young new artists out there. Be yourself, man. Be you. Do what the fuck you want to do. Go ahead, y'all want to fucking paint snails and wear dresses

and all that shit? Hey, it's not all for everybody. Everything is for everybody. But if it's for you, do that. Express yourself. For yourself.

You know what I'm saying? Like Little Nas X, dude. Little Nas X? Little Nas X. Okay. You know I caught that. I look at what he's doing on an artistry level. You know what I'm saying?

If you step outside of everything else, you know, that's going on. The dude makes good music. Right. You know what I'm saying? He does. He makes good records. And I think sometimes people get caught up in what people do personally in their personal life, in their personal time

and don't get a chance to love and you know, experience the actual art you know what I'm saying, but we don't do that with other artists, we don't really do that with you know, like

entertainers, like musicians and actors you know, don't really do that with entertainers, musicians, and actors. We don't do that with Caso and Basquiat. We don't do that with them. They get to be them. If they were flawed as men, their art still sells for millions and millions of dollars.

They don't get canceled. Well, they didn't live to really benefit. I know, but it doesn't matter in this day and age if you did something in fucking 30 years ago and you're still

around or whatever they'll fucking get you now so it's like you know it's just it's just one of those things

where I feel like you know us as a culture and us as a people you know we can appreciate the art

and sometimes exclude the artist it's tough to do that's why we didn't put an R. Kelly record set in that it's tough to do

no it's tough to do all the jokes all the jokes me and Joe had a conversation about it me and Joe this is a good

talking point I need to hear this part I need to hear you and Joe talking about R talking point. I need to hear this part. I need to hear you and Joe talking about R. Kelly and I need to hear this part. Let's go. It sounds like a bar joke. Fat Joe, Ja Rule, talking about R. Kelly.

R. Kelly is flawed. R. Kelly is a flawed man. He's going through his problems. He's going through some shit. Nobody's perfect. He's flawed. What he shit. Yeah, he's flawed. Nobody's perfect. He's flawed. And what he's done is what he's done and he has to account for his

things that he's done. But the art, do we throw it away? Like Bill Cosby, do we stop really watching the Cosby show? Come on, you can tell me I got to stop watching the Cosby show? I'm just saying this is You have to be able to separate the man

from the art. Separate the man from the art. Like Bambaataa, the same thing, like what he did for the culture. Cut deep, cut deep right there. But this is, but this is, you know, me and him had a conversation about it. You know, it was like, yo, we going to play. You and R. Kelly or you and Fred Joe? I said, yo, we doing all,

we playing all, you know, whatever. Nah, I ain't fucking, we ain't doing all. I said, I wasn't going R? We playing R? You know, whatever. Nah, we don't do it. All right, fuck it. We ain't doing R. I said, I wasn't going to play unless you played it anyway. I was like, you throw R on, I was going to throw it on

because it's such a touching subject. And for me, it's even a touchier subject. And you worked with R. You was in the studio with R. No, no, no. Here's the crazy shit. Okay. I wrote my part

and sent it to R to sing. Wow. You understand? Nobody does that. What, he's saying you wrote that? You wrote what he's saying? Yeah, yeah, he said that. And Joe said that, too.

He, he, he... Nori, and my bullshit, nobody sends R anything to sing. R writes the fucking hooks and sends it back to everybody. But why you asking me if I know, like, I'm cool with all that?

Don't you gotta argue with me. I ain't like to be... I just caught on. He said, right? He's like, what? No, you gotta answer the question. I don't know. Anyway, you know what the fuck I'm trying to say. You tried to throw me under the bus.

You ain't seen us. You know, right? What? You know. You know. We all don't know. None of us know. None of us know, but we do know a little bit. A little bit? I don't know shit. You told some stories that you knew. Hey! Hey!

Hey! You said it here. You know the horn or something. We coming back to this. No, we're not. This is the game that we do here Okay. We coming back to this. We coming back to this. No, we're not. No, we're not. We're not. All right.

This is the game that we do here. By the way, our normal staff is not here. Let's get on this joint. Oh, it's flowers. Let's get on this joint. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got real fucking flowers. They got real fucking flowers out here.

This is a new thing in the second person, the receiver. We got real fucking flowers out here, man. Come on, bro. Top bag right there. Oh, we out here. We got gold bottles and gold flowers. Hey. Hey.

Oh, they got the real flowers. I like those flowers, too. Rigadelia, bro. I like these flowers. Come on. You're the second guest to receive these on Drink Champ. That's what I'm talking about. I'm always number two.

You see what I'm saying? Yeah, you are. Yeah. What's up, man? What's up, man? You don't answer the phone the first time. What's the problem? Come on. Whoo!

Come on, nigga. Whoo! Come on, look. Put your name on it! Put your name on it! Come on, we out here! We out here! We out here! Come on, bro. Come on, that's fly shit right there, man. What up, man? Come on, man. Make on. That's fly shit right there, man.

What up, man? Come on, man. Make some noise for motherfucking Jon Rowe. Yeah! Yeah, I'm not your brother. That's dope, man. That's a dope fucking edition of Drink Champs. Yeah, hell yeah, man. Because these just last for years.

So this is a dope edition of Drink Champs. Okay. And I'm fucking honored and appreciate you. He knows exactly what it is. Yeah, for years. This is a dope edition of Drink Champs. Okay. And I'm fucking honored and appreciative. He knows exactly what it is. Okay, I... He knows exactly what it is. Grandmaster Cass.

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subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. So, Jop, I'm your friend. I know exactly how you live. I know exactly, you know, but it was a perception. Yeah. It's over for Ja. That's what people would say Ja's not this, Ja's not that

but then that's what some people would say some people champion what Ja's doing but you're right I told you the unique thing about Ja and your fans is you got die hard fans and you got die-hate fans.

Yeah. There's no in-between. There's no in-between. You don't got niggas that go, I'm high with them. Niggas are like, I hate them. I love that nigga. And this might have been since Murder, Ingrish at the top. Since Murder, Ingrish at the top,

this might have been the first time I've seen just the crowd, the trajectory just be fully on your side. Like, I was so happy. I was so proud because I'm a although I'm a street dude, I'm also half a nerd. So, I'll be on the internet like y'all go ahead

I'll be wanting to see everybody and it was like the whole world like went from almost against you to oh nah that wasn't me like everyone got their arm around you right now is that how you feel is that what you see or no

you know that's a great assessment of the whole shit. I do see it that way sometimes, a lot of times. You know, I lived it. But I also live in my own world where I get to go out to the internet. Where the internet don't matter. Yeah, and people don't act like that in person. People, you know, I go out, you love me.

Hell rule. It's basically, you know, I travel the world, and it's like that. You know what I mean? So I get it. There's a swell of people that have that, you know, whatever. But it really lives mostly online for me. And so when I don't want to see the bullshit, I stay offline. But it's like, you know, I get it

here and there. But after that, I do feel it's like a feeling of we forgot almost. We forgot. You know, Big said it best. You know, they love you, they hate you, now it's time for love again. And I feel that. I feel like it's a, people, they starting to feel what I've been going through and what the whole situation was. And they see it a little bit differently now, which is cool. We're grown now. No fuckers in middle school. High school when shit was hitting the fan. But, you know, now it's a different thought process.

It's a different feeling. I thanked Swizz too. I hit him. I said, yo, man, I want to say thank you because Versus is an amazing platform. Oh, this is after? Yeah. Okay. Because he hit me.

He said, yo, congratulations, King. This is amazing. Swizz said, congratulations? Yeah. Okay. Because he hit me. He said, yo, congratulations, King. This is amazing. Swiss said, congratulations, King. Okay. So I hit him back. I said, Swiss, yo, man, I just want to tell you. You know what I'm saying? I don't have Tim's number, but I want to say this right now for Tim, too,

because he's a part of that. He's a big part of that. That platform is amazing in what it allows artists to be and do. I thank them for allowing me to share my passion with the world. Because that's all I ever wanted to do, making music. That's all I ever wanted to do. That's who I am as an artist. I just want to fucking make dope ass records like when I make all these records and I write all these records

in my eyes in my mind they're like instruments their voices are like instruments on these records I write these songs I hear voices in my head I hear different artists on them I hope I can get them to bring them

to be that vessel to bring this, to be that vessel, to bring my words to the world. And that's what all of these amazing voices are to me, all these amazing talents are. They're, you know, other instruments, if you will, to... Timberland, welcome to the drink, champ, Timberland. What? Timbo the King, what's up?

Did I hang up on him? Okay, all right, cool. You're foul. No, we're going to make this happen. He said, yeah. Say what's up to John Rowe. Timbo the King, what's up, baby? What's up?

Nah, I was just here giving you your flowers, man. You know, I ain't got your number, so I was telling him how, you know, I got a chance to just tell Swizz that, you know, how amazing a platform Versus is. And how, you know, I just want to say thank y'all for letting me

you know, give my talents to the world and share my passion with the world, because that's all I ever wanted to do. I'm so glad you see that, and I want you you to pass it on and when you get on that stage something about it just brings them out yeah listen missy needs to do one man tell missy to get in there and do one because you know she she don't she don't she don't have the you know the hate on her like i do or nothing like that but but i think people need to motherfucking see her

stage show and experience what she is to this motherfucking industry, to the culture. You're right. We all, like, I'm happy I was able to do that, you know what I'm saying? Because motherfuckers for God's, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying, Tim? So I'm glad

I got a chance to let niggas know, man. And nigga, and look, I'm outside running got a chance to let niggas know, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Yeah. Thank you, my brother. Thank you, my brother. Y'all really showed out, man. It was a good night, man. It was a good night. Y'all turned New York out. I appreciate you, Tim. Thank you, man.

Love. Love. Make some noise for Tim. Yeah. That's what we do on Dream Chance. You know what I'm saying? I like that. You know what I'm saying?

You throw some shit out there. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Real street nigga shit. You know what I'm saying? You throw some shit out there, I. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Real street nigga shit, you know what I'm saying? So, what we were talking about before that, I was into it. The Vessel. The Vessel?

Oh yeah, nah, you know, we could get off that, we could go on to something else, but I was just talking about, you know, just art and music and how people- Did you feel this was like a reintroduction of yourself to people? Let me reintroduce myself. My name is Bro.

Not to me, really. You know, like I got to just. Versus is a heavyweight fight. And I'm going to say that again. Because most artists are not friendly like me and Crack. They don't have relationships,

speak on the phone, shit like that. And so getting in there is different. You know what I'm saying? Because now what it's become, I'm telling you, it's become... There's no more celebration. But no, but it's also become... Let's be clear, it's not a celebration.

It's a celebration. And now people want to win more than they did before. Nah, niggas ain't celebrating shit no more. I'm being honest, I'm inside. They gonna call me and tell me to relax. And I'm gonna tell you, there's no more celebration. Niggas who ain't got guns. You ain't celebrating, you trying to kill me.

Nah, nigga, hip-hop always wins. You trying to kill me Nah nigga Hip hop always wins You trying to kill me It's a celebration And hip hop will always win In these battles But what I'm saying is Yeah that's politically The correct thing to say

No no no That's the real thing Because But what it's becoming I love that It's becoming a showcase Of more than just your records More than just the music

When you're performing In front of a crowd It's becoming a showcase Of your showmanship How You know How you command the stage. Who's holding the fucking room.

It becomes all of that, too. And that's what Versus is becoming. I'm going to break it down. It started when Jada got drunk. And Jada and Fab was in the same room. And Jada realized that Fab is too smooth and too cool for school. I don't think that's when this started.

This started Dipset Locks. Let me break it down. Let me break it. I'm going there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going there. And because everybody's like, damn, Fab got the same amount of records.

Fab is just as good. Why? And when Jada commanded the room, it set a precedence. I don't know how to say that word, but you know what I mean. But you know what I mean. It set a precedence. A precedence.

It set a precedence. It set that thing. It set that thing. Then, the dip set and the locks were set off the whole night Cam on the beach chair everyone thinks that

Cam kicked Styles people not realizing Styles is pulling Cam off in a friendly way this is not this is not no Cam is trying to Cam is looking so he's like get off of me a friendly way. This is not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is not. And Cam is trying to get off. And Cam is looking.

So he's like, get off of me. So it looked like Cam is kicking him. But that was the presence of, nigga, this is not what we're doing. You're not laying down on a beast chair. It's not going to just be this easy. So from that moment, there was no more celebration. The audience is what makes it different. The audience is even fouler.

What are you talking about? The audience is even fouler. You hear what them niggas be yelling out? Yo, the live audience is what makes it terrible. It's a doghouse. And listen, I'm going to be honest. I'm telling you. I got to be honest. You're my brother. We really down the block.

I said, damn, how he's going to do these girl records? And the doghouse, there's nothing but dudes in there. I know there's nothing but do-rags, waves, blades. Nah. And fur coats. Nah. It wasn't that. The ladies showed up and showed out.

The ladies showed up? You can hear it. You can hear it. And showed out? And so did. Nah. It wasn't that. We heard it. The ladies showed up and showed out. The ladies showed up? You can hear it. You can hear it. And showed out? And so did the fellas. Don't let them. Yo, I was there. I was watching the fellas.

They were singing. Singing like canaries, baby. I was loving it. The guys? Yes. Yes. Yes. Let me tell you something, man.

Like canaries. Yeah, let me tell you something, man. Let me tell you something, man. Let me tell you something, man. I don't give a fuck what you say. Me or the people? Anybody. Okay, cool, my bad, because I ain't saying shit. Let's go. Niggas was getting pussy to Ja Rule music, man.

A lot of niggas getting pussy to Ja Rule music. I'm saying when it was out and popping. Especially Ecstasy at the same time? Ecstasy and Ja Rule music. Don't get y'all started on that. Ecstasy and Ja Rule music go together. I do not condone this type of music. I feel like every time Ja comes, we talk about ecstasy. I'm going to be honest with y'all.

I'm looking at y'all in y'all face. If you took an ecstasy with a yalla, and you ain't get no yalla yalla, use a yalla yalla. And somehow we all know the fucking meaning. I ain't gonna lie, I've seen, I've really seen

the shift in you because, like, you really, like, when you say, baby, I'm not always there when you call. I got no reaction. I got no reaction. But I'm always on time. I love you. Keep it going, keep it going, keep it going. Keep it going.

And I get, I don't know. How the fuck do you write shit like that? Let's just go in the mind frame of a job. Now, let's just be clear. Are you writing this for the niggas to relate to it? Or are you saying, nah, let the ladies. What are you doing? So it's a contrast.

It's like opposites attract, right? So if I have a hook with a beautiful voice on it, with my raspy voice and I'm talking nasty shit, it evens and balances. You understand? I get to talk my nasty shit and rap whatever I want to say. But this

makes it all pretty. You understand? No. You got way too deep for us. Anybody else here understand either? He's saying sweet and sour. He got his Jimmy Hendrix shit. He got his Jimmy Hendrix shit.

He got his Jimmy Hendrix shit right now. There's nothing really clean about the lyrics that I spit on these records. So even the J-Lo record, I started, it must be the ass that got me like that. If it get any fatter, then the rules gonna have to get out of. That's clean, but I'm talking about her ass, and if it gets fatter, I'm going to get at her. It's like, it's really

like, you understand? But it gets glossed over, what I'm saying, because she's like, ain't that funny? She's, her voice sounds angelic. It's beautiful. And so sometimes when I hear my voice

over radio, it comes across very, very loud. Even when I watch the verses back. My voice is very big. And I was a little hoarse that night. Damn, more hoarse than your regular voice. Nah, so what's crazy is when I'm hoarse, it makes it that much crazier.

Like, it would have been a little toned down, so, you know, everything was a little amplified because it was a little hoarse. But whatever. But when I watch that, I'm like, shit, it's very aggressive. It can be intimidating almost. Right. So the female contrast came, and in my mind, here's what I'm going to do. If I have a beautiful voice over the track or I have a beautiful voice with me on the track,

it'll take away from the fact that my voice is so overpowered. You're trying to balance it. I'm trying to balance it. You have to have balance. Everything has to have balance in life, in music, in relationships. It has to have fucking balance. And so that was my balance. A lot of people don't know that. I just gave them a fucking secret on Drink Champs

because that is a very big secret for artists that are making records to understand that that is a fucking balance. And that is something that people will adapt to and, you know, want to sing. You understand? Because they're getting that balance. You're giving them the best of both worlds.

You're giving them these lyrics and you're giving them that harmony where they can, you know, feel free to sing and it feels like it's not that degrading or raunchy or whatever. Not that my shit was that crazy, but I was allowed

to say things that other artists may not have got away with on records, you know what I'm saying? So basically, you're doing Best of Both Worlds

before Best of Both Worlds. Yeah, actually, I was doing Best of Both Worlds. But yo, that was one of my favorite projects and shit,

Best of Both Worlds, and they didn't get to do that and go on tour with that project, so that's... Oh, shit, Jadakiss in the building. Say what's up, this room. Yes! What the fuck, man? Get your picture right.

What you doing? I'm singing a rap song right now. What, Raspy doing? I don't know. Raspy! Yeah, what the fuck you got going on, Raspi? Oh, Lord. We are drink champs, nigga.

Yo, this nigga putting on a robe. What you doing, Raspi? Yo, Raspi about to get in the jacuzzi and all that kind of shit. Yo, come on, Raspi. You could have picked up later, my nigga. You could have answered this call later, Raspy. Yo, matter of fact. Come on.

What's good, my nigga? Raspy, Raspy the motherfucking versus MVP. He the versus champ. Versus kid. Yo, yo, Raspy. Nowucking versus MVP. He the versus champ. Yo, Raspy. Now, hold on. Tell them what it's like going in there, nigga. Is it the doghouse nigga

going in there when you doing a versus battle on the stage with a live audience? Because we the only ones that did it this far. Yeah, you don't know what to expect.

So your nerves is up. You got that doghouse mentality. You did it this far. Yeah, you don't know what to expect. So your nerves is up. You got that doghouse mentality. Mm. Until you come out there and seen what it is. And then even after you get out there, you still got to stick to your script. Stick to the script.

Listen, me and Raspy had a conversation before I went out there, nigga. We was, you know what I'm saying? I said, listen, you got any points for me, nigga? You had a coach. Nah, Raspi gave me some good shit. Stick to the script. That's what he said.

But I was already in that mode. Stick to the script. Like, nigga, I got what I got, nigga. I got these hits, nigga. We going to give them these hits. But yeah, nigga. Yeah, nigga. It was a fucking beautiful night for fucking hip-hop.

Watching it from the crowd, it was beautiful. It was beautiful. You know, I'm a fan of hip-hop. I'm a fan of music, so. Yes, sir. When them joints was ringing off, it was. You see the people around you, how they react and feel. That shit was crazy. That shit was impe dope night. I got to go to one now.

I got to go to the next one and be in the crowd and be... Word. I got to feel it. Because the energy's different when you're on stage. You know what I'm saying? You and your soul. I'm damn near blacking out on stage, nigga. I ain't even.

Yeah. They got the winner's corner. That's it. That's it. That's it. Kill. Let's kill tonight. We here to kill tonight.

I don't know what the fuck else anybody else talk about. We here to kill tonight. And then we'll slap up later, nigga. It was like, I told you, it's like getting in the ring with your brother. Like a real boxing ring. But you know, it's like, in the ring with your brother. Like a real boxing ring. But you know, it's like, yo, we gonna box tonight.

Somebody gotta be the victor and I wanna be the victor. You know what I'm saying? And we'll love each other at the end. But somebody got, you know what I'm saying? And it's that whole, so yeah,

artists getting in the motherfucking doghouse, nigga. It's real. Get in. Epic for the culture. Get in, Jada. Get your jacuzzi, nigga. I'll the culture. Epic for the culture. Get out here, Jaden.

Get your jacuzzi, nigga. I'll holler at you later, nigga. My nigga, I love you, nigga. You know what Jaden says. Holy moly guacamole. All right. So let's do a quick time with slime and then we go on in. What's this?

This is some new shit you got? Some new shit. No, no. I mean, he did. I mean, I have to tell you it's some new shit, because you've been here from the beginning, god damn it. We owe you a chain, actually. Hey, I think we got chains. You, Fat Joe, and Jada, we owe a chain.

They got chains for niggas. I love that. No, no, we ain't got it. This is a. Oh, yeah, y'all getting a whole bunch of money over here, nigga. I know all about it. It's a thought process.

I know all about it. We're going to get our life together. At some process. We're going to get our life together. At some point, we're going to get our life together. All right, cool. Y'all ready? Oh, no, no, no, no. So what's your shot? A preference.

Oh, yeah, we got to get ready. We got to do a shot? Yeah, you got to tell them the rules. Tell them the rules. Oh, fuck, I didn't even tell you the rules. I'm sorry. Tell them the rules. All right, so the rules is.

I got to have the show tonight. Exactly. You're going to take a nap. We're going to Carbones, and then we're going to take a nap. Nigga, it's OK. I got your whole day planned out. Nigga, I'm your management today. Hit rock and gutter.

Hit rock and gutter. Relax. It is the worst, man. Your friends like Nori. You know what I'm saying? Alright, so here's the rules. You can pick one or the other, but if you pick both, you got to take a shot. What do you mean?

Like if you say like you want to be politically correct won't be politically correct Oh, you take a shot, but the point of the game is is to take all you say neither You could say neither say neither and he still got a good shot. I said what I gotta take a shot of what? Oh, whatever you want No, no, no, no, that's not shot. That's a drink. Shot, shot. That's a drink, sir. This is a real drinking. All right. Give me the fucking Duce.

All right. Right there. Right there, goddamn it. We make it whole proud today. We're going to stay. We make it whole proud today. But let's not forget. Let's not forget the chairman.

Can you pass me? Let's not forget the chairman. My nigga Diddy Bob. I ain't forgetting the chairman, baby. Oh, hold on. So we'll shoot Deleon. We'll give him. We'll do it.

Oh, you're going Deleon? Yeah, I'm going with it. We triple black right now. I'm a tequila guy anyway. Let's go. This is triple black shit. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This the one. This the one. This the one.

All right. The Reposado. Yeah, we'll do that. Big shout out to my nigga Diddy. Big shout out to my nigga Hope. Yes. I got some wine coming, too. Talk about it. Yeah, I'm doing a wine.

I kind of feel like I put you on the wine. Let's just be clear. You may have. Okay, all right, cool. Pinot Grigio. Yeah, absolutely. doing a wine. I kind of feel like I put you on the wine. Let's just be clear. You may have. Okay, all right, cool. Pinot Grigio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell the people. Tell the people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tell the people. Tell the people. No, no, no. No, you don't put on the people. I used to come to the office. Y'all used to bring me hardcore. Hard, nigga. Hardcore.

I used to be like, these niggas is killers. My body was killing me, nigga. Why y'all killing yourself like that? My body was killing me. Okay, so we're going to get to it. You ready? Okay. I think you're drinking off top.

But I could be wrong. But we drinking with you. We drinking with you. We don't leave you. Oh, I like this game. I might just make us all get drunk. You got to relax. Did you pick one of the others?

I might just make us all get drunk for the fuck sake. Okay. Jay-Z or Nas? We drinking already um nah I'm tight with my fucking opinion you know what I'm saying um

I'm gonna go with Jay okay yeah and I do love Nas and I'm from Queens so obviously I love Nas but yeah I'm gonna go with Hope okay Biggie or Tupac

um New York gonna be mad at me but I'm gonna go with Pop Okay, Biggie or Tupac? You're not going to be mad at me, but I'm going to go with Pac. But I love Big, obviously. You know what I'm saying? But I'm going to go with Pac. I don't know whoever did this. We got to have a conversation.

You know who did this? Sonny did this? All right. Diddy or Irv Gotti? Okay, it was that. Now I got to go home to Gotti. That's my brother. We got to talk about Gotti's comments.

His comments was hell. I ain't going to lie. I'm a fan of just Gotti's comments. That was a whole other versus. The comments was a whole other versus. We got to talk about that. Him and Fab. Fab was crazy. Okay.

Recording or performing live? That's a tough one. Let's take a shot for it? Let's take a shot for it. Come on. You ain't got to fight it. You ain't got to fight it. I'm not scared to answer these questions. I'm going to tie this to my opinion.

You can tie this to your opinion. And I can still love both parties. Yes, yes. Salute. That's the way that goes. Salute. Salute. Salute.

Come on. What's that? Mamawana. Mamawana. Okay. Hey. Okay. Foxy Brown on a little kick.

I want to go. Okay. Get the next one right. Foxy Brown or Lil' Kim? I want to go Fox. I think you just did. Okay. Nicki or Cardi B? Nicki. I love Cardi too, though. And I love Kim.

I love everybody, but I'm just picking my picks. All right. You can take a shot to this one. Okay. Ashanti or Lil Mo? Ashanti. It's my sister. Yeah.

Okay. And I love Mo. Ashanti, of course. Okay. I hate y'all niggas who do this stuff. All right. Miami or L.A.? Ooh. You're in Miami right now,

bro, let's just be clear. That's a good one. They're different. Take a shot? Take a shot. Just take a shot. You're being mad complicated. They're different different you know

I don't know when that answer is gonna end up. Let's just take a shot Okay Okay good bad major are independent Hmm you see I told you I Major or independent? You see, man? I told you. I told you a long time ago. I don't think you heard the question. I heard you say it.

I told you a long... And I knew you thought you was going to say major. I'm disappointed. Wait a minute. Listen, here's the thing. He wants ownership. Absolutely.

Ownership is everything. Why the fuck the majors? Why do you think the majors are the majors? You understand? Because they want to own. The ownership of nothing is still nothing. I hear it. But here's the thing. In today's society,

you have all the tools as an independent artist that you didn't have in our era. But you don't have to market in dollars. Okay, I get that. That was spent. I get that. I get that. But if you market yourself properly, right,

the majors will come. And then you have the option of how you want to, you understand, situate this actual deal. If you just go major, they own. Hold on. If you're independent, they come to you, and then you get the structure to deal. That's what I tell you all the time.

You could take advantage of the major at that point. Yeah, now it's on my terms. Now we do this deal on my terms. He's like, I'm disappointed in you. I'm disappointed in you. The majors was the major. I love majors. I love the majors, man.

But you're speaking as Norrie that came in at the time you came in. I like the four seasons, man. But at the time you came in at the time you came in. I like the four seasons, man. But at the time you came in and the age you came in. Here's what you need to know about majors. Independent. Here's what you need to know about majors. La quinta in. La quinta.

Here's the thing about majors, you know. Here's the thing about majors. Don't be talking with the majors, nigga. You see what's going on? You see what's going on? Don't you be talking down about the majors, bro. I'm not mad about the majors, nigga. You see what's going on? You see what's going on? Don't you be talking down about the majors, bro. I'm not mad about the majors. I just feel like...

That was scary, though. I just feel like... Last time that happened was Luminati, too. At some point, every major was independent. They all have a starting point, my nigga. So why not me? Why I can't start... Become your own major.

Why I can't become the major Instead of saying and that's my thought process. That's why I said independent because there's so many independents I just feel like we should take a shot. Let's take a shot. You killed that Even though you ain't convinced me No, if you build it they will come come. If you build it, they will come. Salud. Salud. Salud. It's for this quick time of slime.

I totally forgot. Okay. Holy shit. Where am I at? Where them joints at, man? What, the smoke chance? Nah, I can't smoke this one no more. Get this one.

This is the blunt. The new one. That's the blunt. But it's not a blunt. It's tobacco free. It's tobacco free. I don't like blunts. It's tobacco free. It's not a blunt. But it's not a blunt. It's tobacco-free. It's tobacco-free. I don't like blunts. It's tobacco-free.

It's not a blunt. I don't like blunts. It's vegan. It's a vegan blunt. You need to start some new shit. Yeah, yeah. All right. It's gluten-free.

What the fuck is this? Organic blunt. It's organic fucking blunts. Come on. Okay, let's go. Let's do it. Yeah, look at that. Look at that.

You got shit falling out. Shout out. Hey, man. Shout out. Hey, man. We out here, man. That's a prototype. Welcome to that. You got shit falling out. Hey, man. Shout out to Nine Live. We out here, man. That's a prototype. Welcome to the future.

It's a prototype. Available in California. Listen, Ray J been telling us. Ray J been giving me electronics for 10 years. He been breaking apart. He be like, it's the prototype. Come on, my nigga. I do love hip hop.

I ain't got no Ray J. It's the prototype, man. Come on, man. Leave us alone. Okay, Hennessy or Vodka? Hennessy. Hennessy. Hennessy. It's the prototype, man. Come on, man. Leave us alone. Come on. Okay, Hennessy or Vodka?

Uh, Vodka. Well, neither. I'm a more of a wine guy. Okay, that's a shot. That's a shot. That's a shot. Why didn't I just say Vodka? Jesus Christ. It's your fault, buddy. Hey, man. Hey, man. Say bye to Jesus Christ It's your fault buddy Hey man

Hey man Hey Salud Salud God damn it We going to Carbones on one Okay

Drinking or smoking? Smoking I knew that was The answer Podcast or radio? Radio I thought he was See that's major shit Podcasts or radio? Radio. I thought he was going to say that. See, that's major shit.

See what I'm saying? No, no. He backstepping right now. That's not major shit. When you pick radio, that's because you're major. No. I was going to pick podcast. But I still feel radio has a broader reach.

If you're a top 40 artist, there's nothing like that in the world. You think it still has the impact still to this day? Listen, listen. Irvin. Yeah. There's nothing like being top 40, Z100, every rhythmic.

But today? Even today. Rhythmic, fucking. This is what I'm saying. Relax, man. We're having a conversation! Nothing like that. Exactly, Joe!

Because that's when you get the Grammy nods, the MTV nods. That's when you award. Let me say one thing. Let me finish. Yo, I had a top 10 record.

I never knew New York had seven stations. Years ago. Oy Me Cando. I never knew New York had seven stations. That's what I'm talking about right now. Go ahead. Is it still reaching the same audience, the same amount of people?

I don't feel that it is. Radio? Yeah, I don't feel that it is. People consume music differently these days. Absolutely. I think't feel that it is. Radio? Yeah, I don't feel that it is. People consume music differently these days. Absolutely. I think actually the playlists are bigger than the radio stations right now. Getting your songs on

these playlists. Like the Spotify playlist, the Tidal playlist. Apple, all these playlists. Let's just start with Tidal. You know, you want the hip-hop playlist on Apple, or you want the motherfucking It's Lit playlist on that. You want these playlists. That is, to know, you want the hip-hop playlist on Apple, or you want the motherfucking It's Lit playlist on that. You want these playlists. That is, to me right now, is more valuable than being on the radio.

But trust what I tell you. There's an old God. No, no, I believe that. That's how this shit works. I believe that. And they don't, they haven't adapted to that yet. So if you want to get Grammys and motherfucking

American Music Awards. It's still that old guard, 100%. It's the old guard and you got to motherfucking go through radio to get that. I understand. You know, so, so, yes,

artists, don't, don't listen, man. Strive for it all, man. Fuck, I'm not telling y'all not to want radio or nothing. I want it all. Right. I want it. I was talking to Crack the other day and shit.

Matter of fact, we was on his live. And he said, you came out singing in another round. He's like, this motherfucker, he wants it all. Yes, I want it all. I want it all. Give me Top 40. Give me Rhythmic. Give me R&B.

Give me hip hop. Give me it all I'm everything this is why I became such a big artist because is it Raymond? yes

I was getting the hip hop spins R&B spins pop spins I was checking all the boxes and so you understand?

And so that's why my records became so big. Didn't Charlamagne say you kept the lights on in the radio stations? I think someone said that recently. Well, I don't know about all that. I mean, I think he was just saying that in general, like, the records were so big that at that time it was doing a lot for radio. It was a great time, man. That blunt is nice, though. This shit is nice.

Look at you. It's not a blunt, though. It's not tobacco. It's gluten-free vegan. It's a stogie. It's a yande on a yande. You know what I mean? Get that Smoke Chance and Cali right now.

Okay, so this is the last one. Okay, go ahead. 90s or 2000s hip-hop? Let's take a shot. Take a shot. Who want to play the game, goddammit? Come on, man. Who want to play the goddammit game?

I'm drunk. Good. Good. You deserve to be drunk. You deserve to be drunk. I hate y'all. Salute. I hate y'all right now.

Salute. Salute. So, one part of the night night you bring out Ashanti yes sir I don't know how to ask this or how to put this question but we all you're all family

yeah everyone is good but I don't think Remy would have done what Ashanti did what do you mean by that I don't have any records with Remy but had you had records with Remy listen yes he would have

you think Remy would have performed with you Remy was over on the outside chilling at halftime Remy I was like Remy get your ass back over there go on over back on the other side. Like, it really is love between the camps.

You know what I'm saying? This family, Remy fucks with, you know, Vida and, you know, Shani, and she fucks with all of them.

You know what I'm saying? So, they're all cool. Me and Crack, of course, the family, we're all, like,

the camps are closed. So, it's not like, it wasn't like that, but, you know, like I said, when you go in there, it don't matter. No, but let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. For people that don't have the access to hip-hop,

yeah, absolutely. Let's keep it close to both of us. Yeah, absolutely, right in the middle. So people that don't have the access to hip-hop, people that don't have the access to folks, if you look in, it's like, all right, Ashani is supposed to be on Ja's side, and Remy is supposed to be just on Joe's side.

Yeah, but you can't look at it like that. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm asking. Because this is, you know, it's a battle, yeah. But it's also a celebration of hip-hop, and we have records together. He has a record with Ashanti. You know what I'm saying?

So, of course. So it's not like that. But this is why it's an ill fucking thing. Yes. Because it's like, yeah, this is family and it's an ill fucking thing. Yes. Because it's like, yeah, this is family and it's love.

That's why I said it's like boxing your brother in a ring. Right. With gloves. Like, we fighting for this belt. I want to whoop your ass

because I want the belt. You know what I'm saying? You want to whoop my ass because you want the belt. Somebody got to be the victor of this. Right. So it's fighting

your brother in the ring. You know what I mean? Like, the crutch goes going up against each other. It's like that. You know what I'm this. Right. So, fighting your brother in the ring, you know what I mean? Like, the catch goals going up against each other. It's like that. You know what I'm saying? Right.

And, and we did that. So, what was your Birkin bags? I don't, I don't know. What the fuck? Is this purses

or verses? What are we doing? Purses or verses? Why you didn't have, why, why you didn't have? Like, come on,

man. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, didn't have... Like, come on, man. That was... That was... That was... What? I don't know what the fuck that was. I love my brother's crack. I don't know what the fuck that was.

I love... No, he explained it. He explained it on his live. What the fuck was it? What? Why he gave it? Yeah, explain it. I don't know.

I didn't explain it. I didn't understand it. He just said that he... He just wanted to show them love. I don't know. I didn't explain that. I didn't understand that. He just said that he just wanted to show them love. He wasn't thinking about other people. He just wanted to show them love by giving them a gift. That's fire. That's cool. He just thought that was a good platform

to do it. I can't afford that shit. I'm being honest. I can't afford none of that. I'm being honest. I'm keeping it a hundred. I can't. I don't know. My wife don't got a Birkin bag. She got a juice bar. You know what I'm saying? I'm a bit more of an establishment. I don't even know what the fuck that is. A Birkin? Yeah, I don't know. Listen, I didn't, my wife don't got a Birkin bag. She got a juice bar. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a bit more established.

I don't even know what the fuck that is. A Birkin? Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that is. We gonna make you come outside some more, man. That's outside?

A Birkin bag means I'm outside? That means you inside, I think. I don't know. I don't know. But you gotta know. I ain't worried

about no Birkin. I ain't worried about no Birkins, man. Damn. Shit got real. I ain't worried about a Birkin. I ain't worried about no Birkins, man. Damn. Shit got real. I ain't worried about a Birkin. You know, listen, man. That was an amazing gift from Crack to Remy and Ashanti.

It was cool. Let me say something. You didn't feel obligated to match that? Listen, man. I didn't give a fuck about none of that. You know what I'm saying? Because let me tell you something. You didn't feel obligated to match that? Listen, man, I don't give a fuck about none of that. You know what I'm saying? Because let me tell you something. Those were tactics.

We in a motherfucking goddamn battle and you giving bags away. Crack, what are we doing here? So that's, you know, I, I, listen, I didn't, I didn't, you know. That was like a police knock. It was, it was just, it was just funny. You know what I'm saying?

You didn't hear that knock? But I was like. police knock. It was just funny. You know what I'm saying? You didn't hear that knock? But listen. Yeah. It was a celebration of hip-hop, you know. Nah, y'all didn't celebrate it, man. Yeah, we celebrated. I celebrated. Yeah.

I celebrated. I'm celebrating right now with Drink Champs. God damn it. You finish your bottle of Ace, God damn it. Come on, man. You out here bullshitting, John Rooks. You done with Quicktime? Yeah, Quicktime been over for a long time.

A little Quicktime. Yeah, Quicktime been over a long time. Yeah, I'm drunk. Yeah, I don't... Listen. So at one point, again, this is not... This is Joe Cracks, my brother. I love him.

And I know that y'all was battling, but at one point, you leaned over to try to give him a five. Yeah, that's why I punched him in the stomach. Oh, shit. Whoa, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Calm down. Calm down.

Wait. Yeah. I had him with a push punch. Yeah. Oh, I didn't see that. I didn't see that. It was lovely. Hey, nigga.

What, nigga? You ain't giving me a motherfucking pound, nigga? What the fuck wrong with you, nigga? I didn't see that. Yeah. Oh, geez. That's why I said, yo, getting in there is the gauntlet, nigga. You got to go. The trajectory changes.

So you feel the moment changes you completely once you're on stage? I'm going to just tell y'all about me. Like, I black out on stage I'm over like a man I didn't Sanchez in my line to you that's my DJ matter come in Sanchez bring your listen Oh Sanchez the fucking champ. That nigga's name is Don DeMarco. That's Don DeMarco. Sanchez, you better. Oh, Joe Crack, the Don is in there. Yeah! Yeah, Joe Crack. Come on.

Nigga, I'm talking about you right now, nigga. I'm saying some good shit, but I'm also letting you know, nigga, I was on your ass, nigga. I love you, my nigga. What's good? I love it, nigga. What, you in Jersey? Look at this beautiful crib. Yeah, you in Jersey? Look at this beautiful crib.

Look at this beautiful crib. Nig, you're exaggerating. Look at this beautiful crib. Look at this beautiful crib. Nigga, hold up, hold up. I know I better get an invite to the barbecue, nigga. Because you up the block from me. You coming with gifts? You up the block from me. I got some gifts for you, yes. I got housewarming gifts.

I got housewarming gifts, crack. I got you. I love you. I got you. Gotcha, I love you, crack. I got you. I love you. That's how I love you, crack. Yo. Yo, it's the closest thing to a boxing match. I just told you.

Yo, all those Swiss's trying to call. Yo, this is a legendary fucking, fucking drink champs, by the way. Come on, man. This is what I do. This is not nothing do. This is not nothing new. Come on, man. Do it right.

Joe, these niggas got me drinking Ace of Spades, Rose, and Deleon, and smoking these shit. I don't even know what the fuck is in this shit. This nigga might be OJ Simpson to me right now. I don't know what the fuck is in this shit. This nigga might be O.J. Simpson to me right now. I don't know what the fuck is in this shit.

Come on, man. What are you doing? Come on, man. Get your shit done, come on. This is what we do. This is what we do. Yo, crack, get that motherfucking money, nigga. You understand? And, yo, listen. Listen. I better get an invite to the barbecue, nigga. I been around the corner.

I'm up the block, nigga. Holler at me. I'm going to invite you to my shit. Brother, where's Nori at? Where's Nori at? I'm right here. He's going to have a cajita. Yo, yo, that house looks so beautiful, man.

That's beautiful. Yo, you standing there. I love it. Yo, that house looks so beautiful, man. That's in a beautiful. Yeah, you said it. I love it. Yeah, that house is beautiful, nigga. You're the only audition. Only audition. Hey, yo, hold up. Hold up.

Crack. Crack. Crack. That's the new one you built? Yes. The new one? Yes. I love it.

It's nice, nigga. Yeah. It's nice, nigga. I'm coming over, nigga. Hey, yo. Tell your man it's all right, man. But stay high now, because he wasn't saying hi to me at the first.

Yeah! Hey! Who you talking about? Dylan. Hey, you know what, nigga? Her. Yeah! I love you, nigga.

I love you, nigga. I love you, nigga. I love you, nigga. I love you, nigga. I love you, nigga. I love you, too, my nigga. I'll talk to you later, my nigga. Hey!

Hey! Hey! Hey! Swizz was calling. Swizz was calling, too. I love you too, my nigga. I'll talk to you later, my nigga. Swiss was calling. Swiss was calling too. Yeah, we on his heels too. Don DeMarco in the building. What's up, baby? What up, Rue? I love this nigga right here.

Yo, let me tell you something, man. Me and this nigga went to junior high school together. Facts. You understand? That's a fact. I ain't gonna lie, Don DeMarco. Junior high school. You battled Pretty Lou. Facts. You battled Technician. Facts. You understand? I ain't going to lie, Darnold DeMarco. Junior high school. You battled Pretty Lou.

Facts. You battled Technician. Facts. And Ted Smooth. My nigga Mike. Facts. And Ted Smooth. And Ted Smooth.

I saw what happened. Hello. Hello. Shit like that, Norrie. I'm saying, we Queens, though. You know that. Hello. We had to do what we had to do.

Because, you know, it was crazy out there. The streets was crazy. He was talking crazy. Everybody was like, you know, Ruey, you know, they was against Ruey, like you said. So we know we couldn't have no hiccups, no nothing at that point in time on that stage. Right. For sure, for sure. Facts.

Wow. I ain't gonna lie, he answered that perfectly. I just feel like we got to make noise. And you got to take a shot. And you got to take a shot for no reason. You got to take a shot for no reason. Hold on't gonna lie. He answered that perfectly. I just feel like we got to make noise. And you got to take a shot. And you got to take a shot for no reason. Let's do it, man. You got to take a shot for no reason.

Yeah, don't worry. That's it. Belly on. And by the way, let me just be honest. Talk to me. I know Don DeMarco. So when I kept hearing Sanchez, I said, who the fuck is Sanchez?

Don DeMarco. And it didn't just hit me until just now. I said, holy shit, he calling Don DeMarco. Sanchez. What the fuck is Sanchez? Don DeMarco. And it didn't just hit me until just now. I said, holy shit, he calling Don DeMarco. Sanchez. Right. What the fuck is Sanchez and what is this about?

I just told you I know this nigga since junior high school. This nigga played basketball. We went to fuck niggas. Why? This is my brother, brother.

So that's my childhood name. So as me and Rude growing up, that's always been my name, Sanchez. But as we got older, I became Don DeMarco and then, you know,

he's still in that. Don DeMarco. Don DeMarco, and then, you know, he's still in that. Don DeMarco. Don DeMarco. Shit like that, bang, bang. And what's funny about you is you used to host battles. Facts. It's been smack in between. Yeah.

That's all you were here is Don DeMarco. Yeah, that was the sickness of sound. So was this your chance of going back to battles Did you tell Rue relax I got this playlist You know what's so funny So the battle was on Tuesday I want to say that Thursday before the battle

Rue had spoke to Page Six The Daily Noobs And he told them I'm going to let my DJ curate The playlist and this that and that I just want him to say certain songs that I want to Put on the playlist but he already told, that, and the third. I just want him to say, you know, certain songs that I want to put on the playlist. But he already told him that way before the battle even happened. The EFN is loving this.

So we already had this. He's a former DJ, bro. When you go to the DJ event. Let us do what we do, man. Facts. We're going to let you MC. Let us DJ. Facts.

Okay, so keep it to you, man. So then we know we spoke about the list and things like that, but he's more like, yo, Sessions, we're going to put it together. We're going to make sure it's right and tight. And then that's what we did. But we made some adjustments along the way while I was going on because there was a lot of songs that we knew he was going to perform that we had answers to. Absolutely.

Like? Oh, man. Like Flojo. Like John Blaze. John Blaze. John Blaze. So what was your answer to John Blaze? Murdergram. Murdergram. The Blaze. So what was your answer to John Blaze? Murdergram.

Murdergram. The shit with him and Jay. Okay. You feel me? Yeah. That was the halftime? No, that was before the halftime. And like All the Way Up, Living It Up?

All the Way Up. So when he played All the Way Up, we knew he was going to play Living It Up. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't hear the one with the singer and. Yeah. I didn't hit him with my little sing-along queen. Same way.

But we just, you know, we definitely had a plan on how we wanted to structure it. Right. That's another thing. I ain't doing it. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done, man. I wanted to celebrate.

Y'all niggas ain't celebrating no more. Y'all niggas are stabbing each other in the eye without no nice. I'm done. I'm done. I don't want no problem. It's a celebration, but nigga, it's also, it's a battle, man. It's a battle now, man. It's a battle.

You and Bad Joe fucked it up. Y'all fucked up. I see you, 2G's. Yeah, I see up the- I see you 2G's. Yeah, I fucked the 2G's. I see you niggas. Yeah, I fucked it up because I went to war. It wasn't like just battle. It was war and then everyone hugged at the end, but it didn't act like, yo, I saw you

stab him. You know what? But it was war between friends, which was crazier. War between, yeah. Which imagine people who don't even fuck with each other like that. That's what I'm trying to say. It's going to be crazier now. That's right.

Imagine an East Coast, West Coast dude against each other. Listen. Get the mic down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I used to get into battle raps with niggas. Me and X would go battle rap niggas. We used to say some of the nastiest shit to each other. Face to face, right here, right there.

And then walk away like, yo, love, nigga. It's rap. So that was the mentality I had going in. For one nigga to say, I know it's my brother, I know he love me. You know what I'm saying? I don't care what he do. I feel like we should take a shot for in. Like, you know, for one nigga to say, I know it's my brother, I know he love me. Right. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what he can do. I feel like we should take a shot for that.

I don't know why. You just want to take a shot. Let's do it. We in. We in. I'm just being honest. Come on, man. I just want to take a fucking shot. You just want to take a shot. You guys can go to Carbone and buy Birkin bags.

All right, we're going to get Sanchez up. Come on, Sanchez. Let's do it. I'm all in. Sanchez all in. Sanchez, you got to get a Birkin bag, too. Drink, cheers! Hello. This is my last shot, motherfucker. I'm all in. Sanchez all in. Sanchez, you got to get a Birkin bag, too. Drink, cheers. Hello. This is my last shot, motherfucker.

I got shit to do. Only one more after this, though. Don't worry about it. I got your whole itinerary planned out. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. I can't let you do that.

Salute. You got a problem. I'm the illest itinerary guy. Yo, let me get here. Sanchez, here. Smoke one of these. Oh, yeah. Smoke that smoke, champ.

Y'all. Let's do it. Yeah, hit that yande on the yande and hit a yala, yala. You understand? Yala, yala, yande. Salud, salud. Salud, yala. There you go.

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Okay. We talked about it, Sean. We talked about it, Sean. We talked about the battle. We talked about... Have you spoke to Vida since this controversy has been... Of course. Okay. Spoke to Vida.

Okay. You know, Mo. I know Mo can hold it down. But I don't know Vida. So I don't actually... Vida was hurt. She was? Okay. She didn't go on social media, which is good, which means she's a gangster.

Yeah. Because... Listen, I don't like the social media shit. Yeah, nobody does. We were all family, you know what I'm saying? We could talk about these things, you know, off recordracket, you know what I'm saying, behind. We all have each other's numbers. So I don't really like the social media shit, but here's what people got to understand.

Here's what I told Crack. I said, Crack, you fucked up. Disrespected these black queens. You know, what you got to do is you got to apologize, own it, and apologize, my nigga. There is you gotta apologize on it. Apologize, my nigga. There's no other way around it. You said some fucked up shit. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you're right, you're right.

I understand that. I won't apologize. Kid, he wanted to speak to Mo. He wanted to speak to Vida personally. And I said, that's the other way you gotta do that. You know what I'm saying? I just don't like taking it to social media and making it public. But what I also express to track is,

you know, and everybody involved is, what you don't understand and what I haven't learned too, and what you said, spoke about earlier too, is when you say something that offends somebody, you don't get to tell them how you felt. How they offended, yes. Or how to tell them how you felt. How they offended, yes. Or how they felt about what you said. And that's the thing that people

have to realize when they say offensive shit. Like, I get it. You may look at it as like, I didn't, yo, it wasn't that big. I was just playing or I didn't say it like that. I didn't mean like. But you don't get to dictate how that made that other person, but you don't get to dictate how that made

that other person feel. You don't know what the other person's going through. You don't know what they've been through. Right. And so you don't get to dictate that. And I had to learn that as well. And so, you know, listen man, I'm all about I'm all about second

chances for people and letting people, you know, right their wrongs. You know what I mean? Lately, I've been righting my wrongs. But since I don't write, it's more like I've been gathering thoughts. You know what I'm saying? But that's like a thing that I say to everybody because it's like, listen, you got to reign it in. Let's internalize it.

Let's figure out, you know, what was said, why it was said, and the context it was said. And let's try to do that behind closed doors instead of in public. And because when you wear your emotions on your sleeve, sometimes things get said that don't wanna be said, like the moment, you know what I mean?

And, you know, but that can go further. And so, I'm just glad that Crack apologized to them beautiful black queens the way he did because it was needed to be done.

And I I'm happy that, you know, Mo also accepted his apology. She said she loved him. He said he loved her. Because I think it was just, you know. Beautiful. Yeah, that's the way it needed to be handled at that point.

Because I think he just, in the moment, I don't think he meant that at all. I know Joe very well. Yeah, I don't think he meant that at all. But know Joe very well. Yeah, I don't think he meant that at all. But you know, it came across wrong and he had to address that in the right way.

You know, when you say some shit to somebody disrespectfully publicly, then you need to apologize publicly. Publicly, yeah. I think that's what Charlamagne said. Charlamagne said he would have appreciated it more if he would have did it on stage,

but he didn't know he'd violate it until he got off stage. You know, that's either here or there, but that's not what we want to talk about. What we want to talk about is the fact that he realized that he did something fucked up. He manned up. He manned up.

My bro manned up. My bro manned up. My bro manned up and he apologized. And that's what, you know, that's the important part of this. You know what I'm saying? Because we all go through learning. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Situations in life, man. Sometimes you may not even realize that you're doing some shit wrong. Like, you know, you look back 20 years, we used to say some fucking really foul shit on records, man. Oh, no, that shit is wild.

That shit wouldn't fly today. And it's like... If you actually listen to Joe's set, his first song or second song, he says, I don't like ball, so I don't fuck with the rucker. And you're like,

what? Not grunt. He says that. This is inverses. Right, right, right, right. And I look, and I'm like, oh, shit. Look, fast forward. This nigga coach is in rucking.

Right. He loves ball. Yeah. But, like, that's what it is. Sometimes your old records, you know, come back and bring our old ghosts. Yeah. Because everybody evolves. I don't like to listen to some of my old records. I cringe. out old ghosts. Yeah. Because everybody evolves. I don't like to listen to some of my old records.

I cringe at some of the shit I said. Yeah. Why? I cringe at some of the shit I said. You know, you thinking of the commercial records, but I'm talking about the- No, I'm talking about the yalla yalla. Yeah. And even on, you know, records on Blood In My Eye when I'm just going bananas.

The Blood In My Eye, that's the Clapback album? Yeah. My brother. You were too rich to be angry. No. Sometimes it's not about anger. It's not about money. It's not about none of that.

I'm an artist. You understand? And that's what it was about. That's real. That's real. That's a great answer. It wasn't about none of that, you know. It was about, yo, I don't give a fuck.

I don't need money right now. I'm making this album because, nigga, this is what I want to say. This is what I want to do. And I didn't make it as an album. That's the craziest thing. I made it as a mixtape. But I was such a big artist. Def Jam was like, nah, nigga, we capitalize on this.

We make up an album with this thing. Def Jam wasn't wrong. They wasn't wrong. They wasn't wrong. I would have did the same thing. But for me, it was wrong. Because you wanted it to be a mixtape yes Because I knew it wouldn't be received like my other shit I knew it wouldn't be received like what I do it was not gonna go tripping platinum nigga It's not gonna sell four five six million records that she wasn't gonna go platinum I knew that I knew it would be a scar on my record so I said I'm putting as a

mixtape but they seen it as a money opportunity I'm gonna get this money off them because gold to them is money gold to me is money it's money but nigga I'm just saying are you going too far right now I'm just saying saying. This is gold and money. I'm fucking with you. But, nigga, it wasn't what I wanted. You just applied to them, nigga. I wanted to put that out as a mixtape. And they seen it as a money opportunity. Nigga, we have a fucking cash cow here. How we gonna let him put all this material out?

Oh. 10, 12, I don't know how many songs on there, whatever. How we gonna let this nigga put all this material? He ain't got Hussein Fader on records. Tupac's fucking long-close homie. How the fuck are we going to let these records go for free?

No! So they took it and they made it an album. I didn't want that to be out. I wanted to just put it out. It was my warrior pain album, nigga. I'm going to fuck these niggas. I didn't want that to be out. I wanted to just put it out. It was my warrior pain album, nigga. I'm gonna fuck these niggas. I don't care about nothing. Niggas just coming at me,

I'm coming at y'all. Let's go. And I wanted it to be that. Blood in my eye, nigga. I'm living like George. I don't give a fuck. That's what the whole album's about. It didn't turn out that way but

I don't what I tell people you know I didn't wanna I didn't wanna go there I didn't wanna ask this question but

I have to cause you just you just did that was it and this is real talk you always took the high road when it came to the beef. Yeah.

Never responded. I did respond. I responded. Blood in my eyes the response to everything. But what I mean, it was almost like two years later.

You know, here's what people don't understand. Okay. Anybody in this room ever faced a federal indictment? Nah. I don't see nobody fucking shaking their head yes. Nah, nah.

Nigga didn't say yes. Okay, so let me tell you how they work. I wasn't under federal indictment. It was Irv, and they put Chris Gotti under federal indictment. Whatever. Cool. They drain you of everything. They drain your fucking resources. They drain your fucking resources.

They drain your fucking money. They freeze your asses. They freeze your asses. They take everything from you. So that you can't fight them. How are you going to fight a rap battle with one of the biggest conglomerates in the world? One of the biggest labels, one of the biggest everything in the world, right?

And then your own label, they dropped you too. Because they don't want to be a part of the lawsuits that's going on. Wait, you're saying Def Jam dropped you? Yes! No, I didn't know that. Yeah, I mean, no, that was, that was, that was, everybody could see that. No, I didn't know that. Nigger! Nigger! They drove it through us like a building. Are you kidding me? I didn't know that, bro.

Come on. That was... Y'all was too... Oh, fuck. For real, I didn't know that. I swear to God. I swear to God. Right now, I mean... The feds say if you don't let these niggas go, we're going to start looking up under your hood, nigga.

Wow. We're going to see what's going on. It was a fucking, this is what the feds do. So Def Jam, they loved us. Come on, man. I helped keep the lights on in that building, man. Def Jam loved us. It wasn't like we wanted to let us go.

They loved us. We loved them. It had to be done. They had to fucking sabotage with it because it just wasn't good business now. And so that happened. And so how am I supposed to deal with all this other things going around when I don't have a major. I can't put out records anymore the way I used to.

They're not gonna move the same way. There's no internet. There's no Instagram, there's no internet. There's no Instagram. There's no Twitter. There's no fucking SoundCloud. None of this shit, nigga. I'm just like, yo, what the fuck

am I supposed to do? So we get a deal with Motown. And that didn't work out the way we wanted to. Still in the Universal system. It didn't work out the way we wanted to,

but that was after Blood of My Eye. Is that when Lloyd came out? Was Lloyd came out on it? Lloyd came out on it before that. Okay. Lloyd came out before that. Okay. That was all after Blood of My Eye,

you know what I'm saying? And I tried to put out, I forget what the album was, but you know, it's like, you know, it was just a, that was, it was different, you know? I'm saying different, different time in hip hop. Internet wasn't like that.

Social media wasn't like that. It wasn't even existing. It didn't exist. When I, it's crazy. Instagram came out when I was in jail. I was in jail, nigga. Instagram wasn't even, wasn't around. You ain't had the app?

No, nigga. I was in jail. I'm in jail. You ain't had the app? No, nigga, I was in jail. I'm in jail. What the fuck was that? What the fuck was that? Yo, D-Wrek. Nigga said, no. I'm in jail.

I know you had that. You didn't go on. Niggas just tell me about Instagram in jail, man. Niggas was like, yo, this is new shit, Instagram. Yeah. Yeah, you see me? I didn't even get it at first. I'm like, so what is it?

Did you have Twitter before you went to jail? Yeah, I had Twitter. Okay. Twitter was out. I had Twitter, of course. I had Twitter. You had MySpace? Yeah. I mean, I went to jail in motherfucking 98, nigga. He. Twitter was out. I had Twitter, of course. I had Twitter. You had MySpace? Yeah. I mean, I went to jail in motherfucking 98, nigga.

He was friends with Tom. Was Tom your friend? Nigga, actually, Tom was at my crib when he sold. That's the craziest thing. He came to my crib in L.A. The night he sold, or the day after he sold. Oh, he sold MySpace, right. He sold MySpace. And he was like, yo, John, I think they motherfucking,

I think I sold you for too low. They fucked him? I just think he felt he could have got the billy instead of the five. I got mad champagne left. How much champagne you got left? Don't worry about champagne. Don't worry about champagne. Huh?

Don't worry about champagne. Come on, man. Listen, man. I'm smoking. I don't even see you smoking, you know. This is like, you know what? No. You just come on and smoke. Did he just say he don't see see you smoking, you know. This is like, you know what? No. You just come on, come here and smoke.

Did he just say he don't see me smoking? This nigga's fucked up. Tell this nigga. Smoke Blast. That's my nigga, my nigga Chris Black right there and shit. Chris Black, man. Yeah, nigga, cash money click shit, nigga. Cash money click, man. Yo, come on, man. Grab a chair, man.

Grab a chair, man. Listen, listen. Over there. Give him a chair, man. Give him a chair. Let me tell you something, man. This is my, man. Grab a chair, man. Listen, listen. Over there. Give him a chair, man. Give him a chair. Let me tell you something, man. This is my first year. This is my early years of this shit. How mad are y'all was the Cash Money label when them niggas just took y'all's shit? They didn't take our shit.

Come on, man. I don't want that. Listen. Listen, Young Thug took my shit, man. Young Thug is running with Slime City. He don't even know who I am. You know what I'm saying? Come on, man. I'm going to keep it my shit, man. Young Thug is running with Slime City. He don't even know who I am. You know what I'm saying? Come on, man. I'm going to keep it a buck, man.

Cash money took your shit, man. Let's just be clear. I don't think we was, nigga. I don't think we was. Who? Because they ain't fucking New Orleans. We in Queens, nigga. Now you know we wasn't out like that. You know what I mean? You all leans at that time.

I've been in Mississippi a long time, man. This is my brother Chris Black. Come on, man Zip-Op game a long time, man. This is my brother, Chris Black. Come on, man. Let's make some noise for Chris Black, man. Can you ask Mike Smith? Can you ask Mike Smith? My group and shit. We still rocking, you know what I'm saying?

Let's just be clear. I want to ask this question one more time. How mad is y'all with cash money when they stole y'all shit? Yo, stop it, Norris. Come on, man. Don't be, don't be. I was in the can when that shit came out. Chris is mad!

Just to be real. Chris, Chris, Chris. Come on. These niggas booked this. They booked y'all, man. They booked. No, they didn't. No, no, no.

They booked y'all niggas, my nigga. I don't believe that. I don't believe that. Chris, you believe that? Yeah. They booked this. They booked this. They picked y'all niggas. I don't believe that. Chris, you believe that? Yeah. I'm buffed.

Yeah, they bucked us, right? It's cool. We motivated. Hold on. Can we hear them? Can you make sure we hear them? Are we hearing them? Yeah, yeah, put the mic, put the mic, yeah. Put it down, put it down, put it down, put it down. Are we hearing them? Come on.

You got headphones on. How you doing? Real quick, real quick, though. You guys know we're celebrating Eno's birthday still. Okay, okay. So, you know, this is the second time we give roses, but Kev, come here, man. We got something special for Nori. Y'all help me sing happy birthday for Nori.

Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Feliz cumpleaños, my love. Happy birthday to you. Yeah. Yo, let me tell you something, man. This is a fucking dope addition to fucking Drake Champs, man. You was on our second show.

I apologize. Because we did not have our shit together. It was our second release show. It was me, you, Jada. Jada and who else? Jada and Styles or no? No, it was Jada. Jada and Jada. Crazy shit.

I told you. I told Jaro to come at 4 o'clock. I told Ja Rule to come at 4 o'clock. I told Jada to come at 8 o'clock. And they both came at 6 o'clock. He was stacking the deck. As he used to. No, no. He told me.

He goes, I think they're going to be at the same time. And they came at the same time. And I'm sitting there getting a haircut in the bathroom. And I'm like, do we separate them? That was an epic episode. We put y'all together. That was epic. That's what started us in the park they cuz they laughed at us fat Joe was our first episode it's big up to

our brother fat Joe we actually recorded Kenny and it sounds the first episode we recorded we gotta give him props you gotta gotta give Kenny Anderson. First person that came and sat down with us. Kenny? Kenny Anderson. You know, you know, you know, the left rack shit. I could tell you stories. Big queens. I could tell you stories about Kenny Anderson and his crew and shit. Oh, come on. No problem.

Shout out to my nigga Lil B and shit. So, Earth Goddy hasn't talked to me since the Mike Geronimo episode. Why? Oh, no. Ain't no why. That went too far? Big shout out to my nigga Mike Geronimo, man. What's up? He big you up. That's my brother, man. I love Oh, no. I ain't no wife. That went too far? Big shout out to my nigga Mike Geronimo, man. He big you up.

That's my brother, man. I love Mike, man. He big everybody up. Mike Geronimo's a legend, man. Yeah, I love Mike, man. It's a straight legend. What is him and Irv? I don't know. What is the problem? You know, they had the issues of you know,

I was the, I was on the black tour, he was around for that too, but they had the issues over producer stuff, you know, music stuff. Mike wanted to do stuff with, you know, large professor. Spire. You know, um... Um... Premier. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. These was niggas like,

it was more like, in his area, in his hood and shit. But, you know, Irv felt like, nigga, I'm the nigga that, these niggas wasn't thinking about you when you was doing what you was doing. I'm the nigga that, you niggas wouldn't think about you when you was doing what you was doing. I'm the nigga that, you know,

so I kind of, I see both the arguments. I think it could have been, you know, something that could have been ironed out. If I was a bigger artist, I feel like I could have ironed it out. You know what I mean? But, you know, I was the young nigga at the time. I was just, you know, I didn't give a fuck.

I was just trying to get on and do me. So I really didn't have much to say about it. And they was young, too. He beat you up. But then he, that's crazy. And you're two peas in a feather. No, because we have a different relationship, man. Right.

Understand? Me and Mike are artists. We share conversations about art and what this is and making music and dreams of being big artists. We shared those moments. You know what I'm saying? Me and Mike. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And I'm sure him and Irv had those conversations and shared those moments too.

I don't know. But I know me and Mike had moments where we talked about those things and shared those things. And he was on the trajectory at that moment of doing that. And I was just a fledgling artist. Like, yeah, nigga, do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to do it too. You know what I mean?

And so that was me and Mike's relationship at that time, as far as artistry. We would talk about artistry. And I just think that when Mike put his first album out, Irv helped him get to the status that he was. Yeah, the shit is real, man. No shit is real. And it wasn't those guys that he wanted to do music with.

That's fine. I feel like artists are allowed to grow and have growth. You know what I mean? I've never, me myself, I've never done any records with anybody. But did y'all think I thought them out a little bit because he was clearly from Flushing, and then his videos actually looked like he was from South Jamaica. I don't know.

I don't... That shit, that shit's not... I'm a Queens nigga. That shit's never here. It meant a lot to us. That shit's never... I don't know about... Like...

You ain't seen shit that's real? Shit that's not shit? Real? He did shit in Flushing. Nah, he did it in Flushing, too. Yeah, he did shit in Flushing. Nah, I'm fucking with y'all niggas. I'm fucking with y'all niggas.

He's very Queens of you guys. Yeah, he's very Queens. I'm sorry, I'm sorry in Prussian too. Nah, I'm fucking with you guys. He's very Queens of you guys. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But I don't look at that shit. I don't give a fuck about that shit. But we do though. I don't give a fuck about that. Nigga, if you would have shot a video in Basely. It don't know.

Because hip hop is global, nigga. So I can't just say I represent. Right and wrong at the same time. But he can't rep all the queens? I don't get it. That's what I'm saying. Why can't I rep every part of the queen? Nah, you can't.

Let me tell you something. Nigga, if Fat Joe would have attacked, but he did it early. He came up to the bridge as well. Right. But if he would have did it, I had it in my mind he was going to freestyle over Bridges Over. Okay, and you had a response. Yeah, absolutely. I was like, I'm not going to let that go on my watch.

Nigga, I'm from Queens. I'm not from Queens Bridge, but I'm from motherfucking Queens. We ain't from Queens Bridge, but we from motherfucking Queens. You know what I'm saying? I would like to clap. Everybody clap, motherfucker.

You guys are from Queens. Y'all from Queens right now. Everybody here. I'm not going to let that go on my watch. You know what I'm saying? Like, nigga, we Queens niggas. You know what I'm saying? I'm from the other side, nigga.

That don't mean shit. That don't mean shit. You know what I'm saying? It's Queens. We a borough. The bridge is over to disrespect to our whole borough. You know what I'm saying? Even though we're not from Queens Bridge.

Listen, man. Listen, man. To disrespect to our whole borough. I scored one, right, man. Big up to Shan, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Because that was me and Fat Joe. Nigga up to Shan, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Because that was me and Fat Joe. Nigga, that's the Bronx.

You know what I'm saying? So we needed one on that one, man. But let's be clear. Let's be clear. All right, cool, because you went deep. So let's just stay there. We needed one on that one. You said that you had a response to the bridge is over.

Yeah. sparse to the bridge is over yeah meaning if he would have rhymed over the bridge is over or yeah okay if you'd rather than resolve something I was gonna do for that I thought of something I put it together like I was gonna would have been crazy I would have brought crazy if y'all would have brought Shan and Karis back. That would have been wild. No, so listen. So listen. That would have been wild. That's the reason why

I'm like that. That would have been epic. It wasn't a barrel battle. Go in the fuck up. It wasn't a barrel battle. No, but that would have been ill. It wasn't a barrel battle.

You know what I'm saying? But I thought of everything. Mm-hmm. So I'm going to tell y'all. You thought a 50 would come out? I thought of all that. I had something for that too. You thought that could have happened?

I didn't think Joe would go that. But you wasn't expecting anything. Now it's war. Now it's really war, war. And I'm like, crack my brother. He's not going to bring him out. But I thought he might maybe try to freestyle over like in the club or something like that. You know what I'm saying?

Like to get the crowd reaction. So I had something for that. But, you know, you see, he mentioned Candy Shop. I produce Candy Shop. You know what I'm saying? So, you know,

this is a, what people don't understand, this is a, that's why I said we in the doghouse, motherfucker. This is a rap battle. Like, it's like real.

Like, even though that's my brother and we're brothers, it's a real rap battle. Right. And if you've ever been in a rap battle motherfuckers say shit That's Nasty dirty like you know the mother below the boat. Yeah, but but but it's about the end of the day

This is our sport. Mm-hmm. It's more like a sport, right? It's not impersonal. It's not disrespectful in the way of being. So that's how I sit because I come from that. I used to do, I'm trying to do this shit. Me and X used to go to niggas' video shoots. All that shit. Let's battle, nigga. And D and Y and Irv and all these people, they sick them.

Get them. You know what I'm saying? Like we dogs and shit. Like we was like dogs. But that was, you know, for me, I'm like, this is the school of him seeing

that I'm from. And I don't think niggas really understand. I don't think niggas understand where I came up in this shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it's lyrical exercise, man. It's different. So, you know, I seen Busta the night of MTV Awards. He and Busta talked, I seen Busta tonight on MTV Awards.

He and Busta talked. I seen Joe too that night. I seen Busta. Busta's like, are you ready? I said, I'm ready, Busta. I said, you know, Busta, I'm cut from a different cloth.

Let's be clear. Busta, you know I'm cut from that cloth too. I said, you are, Busta. For sure, for sure. You know what I'm saying? I said, but I'm cut from that cloth, nigga.

I'm not, you know. And Crack is a hell of an MC, but I'm cut from that cloth, nigga. I'm not, you know. And Crack is a hell of an MC, but I don't think Crack ever was a battle rap MC. I don't know. Yeah, I disagree with you. I think he was a battle rap MC. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I don't know that.

I don't know his history. I don't know his... Yeah, I disagree. But did you know he was the underdog? Yeah, kind of, sort of. You know what I'm saying? this again. But, did you know you was the underdog? Yeah. Kinda, sorta. You know what I'm saying?

Because I felt like, here's the crazy shit. I like crazy shit. It's crazy. I felt like, because crack is so friendly with everybody in the industry, that the industry

wanted crack to win. And wanted them to, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, and I look at it like. Let's just be clear, you're also declaring that you won.

Of course. Okay. But I'm just saying, I don't have to, I don't have to, I don't got to spike the ball, you know. You know what I'm saying?

You got to touch down. Here's what I'm saying. You can walk away. All I'm saying is. Iggy shuffle. That's it. Maybe I'll spike the ball. I don't need to dunk on the fucking goal post. You know what I'm saying?

I might spike the boy. I don't need to dunk on the goal post. But I'm just saying, I just felt like everybody rooted for the crack, which is fine. Like I said earlier, I just... Who's somebody that you was disappointed in? I wasn't disappointed in nobody. Yeah? Who do you want to root for?

I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm saying? Like I said earlier, I just... Who's somebody that you was disappointed in? I wasn't disappointed in nobody. Yeah? Who do you want to root for? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We all have an opinion,

you know? I don't give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? Right. If I could change your opinion, that means I made you a believer. You understand? I don't know where we're going.

But I'm just saying. Well, I'm into it. Like, like, like... Like, like, it's real talk when you're in a boxing match. And everybody thought this guy was... Hold up, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. We got someone special on the phone. Everybody make some noise for Lil Mo, please. Yeah!

What up, bro? What up, Meezy? I'm a graduation pick. My kids are from school. And I look like Soccer Mom Moe. We love Soccer Mom. We love Soccer Mom. That's what we about here. Say what's up to Norrie.

Come on, come on, Moe. You know we love you, Moe. What's up? What's good, baby? Chilling, chilling, bad still, you know what I mean? How you feeling? How you feeling off that motherfucking versus stage? That joke was lit.

20 years in, bro, so you already know. I was excited to actually see the stage with you again because me and you and Vita A hit the stage since 106 and Park retired the video. We were the first to get a video retired. Let them know, nigga. Talk that talk. Talk that talk, bro. I ain't got to say it. I ain't got to say it.

Sometimes you ain't got to say it sometimes you ain't got to say it it was good energy amazing energy it was amazing energy I'm glad you and Crack had your chance to listen that was my text

I sent a text to both of them because I feel like talking about kissing makeup, y'all. Kissing makeup. That was my text. I sent a text to both of them saying kissing makeup. But, you know, because I feel like we all, family, and I think sometimes things play out. And social media, they don't need to play out that way.

You know what I mean? Especially when we can... But I also let Crack know that you don't, you know, when you say some hurtful shit, you don't get to dictate how a person feels

or how you made them feel from that comment or things like that. So, you know't get to dictate how a person feels or how you made them feel from that comment or things like that. So, you know, I'm just glad that y'all were able to, you know. Yeah. Now let's go get this money on tour, nigga. Ah! But now that's good, Gwyn. That shows growth and that shows maturity because, like, we all from the streets, so back in the day, everybody handled things differently.

So that went to the point where it was just like, listen, my kids are fans of, like, everyone. So when they saw what was going on, they was just like, oh, my God, we love Fan Joe. And I was just like, yeah, we can't go out like this. So with the fitness, even though everybody, oh, I keep on seeing this. I didn't know that it was going to run up like that. But it was like, you know, I didn't want that to take away from you know to be on the stage listen listen listen listen you didn't do nothing wrong queen you understand me you didn't do nothing wrong queen you you you you you expressed how the fuck you felt you understand it needed to be addressed you addressed

it crack also addressed the way he needed to be apologized for You addressed it. Crack also addressed it the way he needed to. He apologized for it. And this is what it's about, man. Sometimes we make mistakes, we do things, and we hold each other accountable. That's what the fuck is supposed to be about. And I'm glad as a hip-hop community, we was able to put that together, grasp it,

say this was a moment that needed to be handled in that way. We ain't gonna disrespect each other that way. And we, you know what I'm saying? Nah, we ain't going to do that. And we made it right. And Crack understands his mistake and he apologized. But, you know, like I told him too, you know, public humiliation deserves, you know, also public apology. Yeah, public apology.

She killed that. Yeah. I'm glad we got to get through that. No grudges, all growth. All love, yep. Public Apology yeah public Apology It's like nobody can take away what you played on this music industry. You stabbed and, like, you did your thing. Like, y'all both got hits, but you're the one who made, what's it say, the rapper nigga that sing R&B songs? It's part of the whole thing, and I'm glad to be a part of that,

so I appreciate you doing a lot of work. Much love, mother. You know we love you. You listen, man. I popped up on your drink champs, nigga. It was only right, nigga. I love you. You did. Work your Lord. Thank you, Mo.

Appreciate you. Thank you. No problem, man. Peace. So, Jah, got to act straight up. How good do you... Huh? Got to act straight up.

Straight up. How good do you feel right now? I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. Got to act straight up. How good do you... Huh?

Got to act straight up. How good do you feel right now? I'm good, man. I feel good, man. Especially after all these drinks that you have to feed me. Let's take a little shot. Let's take a little shot. Everybody take a little shot. Oh, Chris, you ready? Get a shot.

Give him a shot, goddamn it. Hold up. Get a shot. Get a shot. Yeah, get one minute of a shot. Yeah, get one shot, goddammit. Hold up. Anybody want my Moana? Anybody? Anybody? Nobody likes my Moana in here? What the fuck, man? What you drinking?

What's that? It's Dominican my Moana. I can't. I wish I would've started with a little bit of that. Yeah. You want a shot of it? Yeah, where the shot cups? I got you, dog.

Where the shot cups? You want more? You want a little more? I ate that joint. Wait, let I got you, dog. Where the shot cups? You want more? You want a little more? I ate that joint. Wait, let me get a shot cup. We drunk tonight, nigga. I'll be right outside and take a nap. We ain't going to live till 3 in the morning.

We going to Carbone, we going to eat, and then we going to take a nap. You want? Yeah. You got the little shot cup? Yo, yo, see if you get another table at Carbone, I'll take care of my niggas. Shit, no problem, nigga.

Yeah, you the Carbone nigga. I don't know about a whole other table. Shit is real. I know, it's Carbone. You can only get four. But you're Mr. Carbone. Hey, man, I never said that. He said, hey.

I never said that, but we'll make it happen. We'll see, we'll see. We'll see how it happens. You good? Salute. Yeah, salute. Because our show is about salute. Big up to Organic Food Kings as well. You know what I mean? Goddamn it. Organic Food Kings in the building. Salute. Because our show is about salute. Big up to Organic Food Kings as well.

You know what I mean? Goddamnit. Organic Food Kings in the building. All right. Like cracking the 86 he said. So let's just describe it, right? Because I've never done a versus, tried to do a versus. You need to get in there.

Yeah, yeah, you and Beans need to get in there. Go ahead and get in there. I tried, man. Them niggas shut me down. Who shut you down? Everybody. Go ahead and get in that jungle. This thing's just a hey, man. Who shut you down? Everybody. Go ahead and get that gentleman. Not one nigga accepted my call, man.

I tried with Cam at first. Let me just tell you something. I hung out with Cam at a cigar bar. And they played Cam records for two hours. And I said, I'm so glad this nigga ain't biting on this shit. Because I would have been the first. He would have bought me. I'm going to be honest. I just stood in the cigar bar like,

Jesus, did they not know I brung him? And they just kept playing the cigarette. And I'm sitting there like, oh, I can fuck with this nigga in person. Like, I'm getting real. Like, I'm a real nigga. Like, I'm a real nigga by my mind. I said, oh, shit. I'm glad this nigga ain't biting on my shit.

I invited Memphis Bleak. I invited Beans. These niggas ain't calling me. These niggas got my real number. You and Beans would be dope. I would like that. I think that would be a good one. Yeah, because I would definitely wash them up.

You know what I'm saying? I'd definitely wash them up. But y'all family, you were signed to The Rock. What the? I never signed to The Rock, sir. Yeah, I never signed to The Rock. I just took the chain. Oh, he's got it.

He's got the chain. Wings, three shits. Wings, three shits. Hey, I didn't say chain. I just took the chain. I just took the chain. Shit like that. No, no, no.

Biggs still managed me. Let me relax. You're going to call me, like, what you doing? But I did. Biggs shot the Biggs, man. Biggs still mad at me. Let me relax. You're gonna call me, like, what you doing? But I did never know. Biggs shout to Biggs, man. I saw Biggs up there and Saint, man, yo.

Yeah, Biggs, Saint, Saint. Make some noise for Saint, y'all. Make some noise for Saint, y'all. And he's such a good dude, too, man. Yo, they was killing it, man, at the awards, man. Yeah, man, it was dope, man. Do you still go to the VMA? I don't know how a lot of you. I was a presenter this year. I don't go if was dope, man. You still go to the VMAs? I don't know how loud it is.

I was presenting this year. I don't go if I ain't going. You presented at the VMAs? Yeah. Do you know how new 9-11 crashed? What? No. You knocked on my door.

Nigga, because I made rainy days that morning, that day. Chill. It was shit. Okay. My wife wakes me up. I recorded rainy days, nigga. You never gave me my engineer credit. Yeah, you did. Yeah, wakes me up. I recorded Rainy Days, nigga. You never gave my engineer credit. He did.

He recorded it? All right, listen. You don't know how to use a computer. All right, listen. I don't want to hear this shit. I don't want to hear this shit. Listen. I want to hear this story.

You told him, press this button. Yes, he did. That's it. That's it. That's it. I didn't give him my credit. I know this guy. I know this guy.

All right, all right. I want to hear your side of the story. Go. So my wife comes. She says, guy. All right, all right. I want to hear your side of the story. Go. So my wife comes. She says, hey. She says, baby, baby. The plane's heading to the towers. I'm like, what are you fucking talking about?

You know what I'm saying? She's like, the planes, they're going to the World Trade Center. So she turned on the TV. I'm looking at the TV. I'm like, oh, shit. So the brown of the time she turned on the TV, the second one is going into the shit. So I'm like, oh, my god. I'm one is going into the shit. So I'm like, oh my God.

I'm just sneaking in my house. So I'm watching, this thing was, he was. I'm ecstasy out. It's a fact. This is a whole fact. I'm sneaking in. So I told her, she said, she's telling her this.

So I'm like, yeah, all right. I'm, you know, cool. I'm watching this on the TV screen. I'm like, all right, this is crazy. All day I'm watching this shit. Then I get this crazy motherfucker. No, this nigga knock on my door like this. It went down! I'm like, I'm looking at Rue.

I'm like, oh, he is the ultimate, like, good guy. Because, like, she doesn't know I just snuck in. He's up the block for me. oh he is the ultimate like good guy because like she doesn't know I just snuck in. He's up the block for me. But see what happened was my manager too

he had walked from the Brooklyn Bridge over to this and smudged all over his face it was the craziest shit from the smoke and the smoke and this shit was crazy.

And our kids went to school together at the time. He's like let's go get our kids. I'm looking like, this nigga's the ultimate wingman. This nigga's good. I don't know. He's really saying the towers went down.

You wasn't believing it? No. I thought that he was just, he saw me sneak in. He's like, let's go! Anyway, I wanted to record. I felt like this is... This is after? You want to record after?

Yeah, because I felt like this is... The world needs to understand this moment. It's a rainy day. Can I take the story from this point? Go ahead, brother. Look, first of all... I used a bathroom. Go ahead, go ahead. Hold on, you got to finish the story. I'm going to use the bathroom. Or point? Go ahead, brother. Look, first of all... I used a bathroom. Go ahead, go ahead.

Hold on, you got to finish the story or we're going to use the bathroom. Or you could rainy day right here. No. All right, listen. Listen. Hey, relax. At this time,

there was a lot of ecstasy involved. You're telling me, hold on. This guy... We was going in. But the y'all live up there, y'all. Y'all just got a brand new studio in his basement. He had Hit Factory in the down, down. So he's sitting there, he goes, do you stop me if I'm wrong.

He said, yo, Enno, press this button right here. I said, I'm not Dural at all. What is Reece doing? And the nigga went in there and said, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. I said, this nigga high. And you were? This nigga, mm, mm, mm, mm, this nigga high. And you were? This nigga.

Nigga, that shit turned out to, it's just these rainy days. I said, wait a minute. I was dead. Wait, so the moral of the story is y'all were hanging out when the Twin Towers shit happened. Y'all was hanging out. And he had the melody to the shit.

We lived at the block. We hung out every day. Yeah, every day. Every day I seen this. So it was like a normal thing. So I wanted to record that day. I was high.

That inspired you or no? It inspired me. It did. The child was inspiring me. I didn't know this. And I wanted to record. I didn't, you know, just hit the button.

You know what I'm saying? I was literally to hit the button, nigga. Because we lived at the block. Literally. It was something that happened. Right. And it was later in the day and it was something that happened. Right. And it was later in the day, and I'm like, yo, come on.

You know what I'm saying? I want to record something. And that turned out to be Rainy Days. Turned out? Because I wanted to express what I was feeling and what we were going through as a country. Right, right. When that happened. Tell me who hit that button.

I hit that button. It's just because Rainy Days. Come on, guys. Yo, I think you'll? That was me who hit that button. I hit that button. Come on, guys. Yo, I didn't go get my credit for hitting that button. That button was a very talented button. Shut up, nigga. Shut up, man. A quick sidebar to this is... And then I got to take a pee.

I did my... I did Rap City, the basement, with Big Tigger the day before. And I believe BET Studios was very close to the Twin with Big Tigger the day before. And I believe BET Studios was very close to the Twin Towers, to the World Trade at that time. Damn, I don't remember the original BET Studios. I don't remember, yeah. No, not the D.C. ones when they moved to New York. No, I'm talking about the 50s. It was around the corner of New York.

Because it was 57th and 54th Street. Well, I mean, I'm from Miami, so to me it was all very close. Right, right. It's not that close. But I went and visited the Twin Towers, and I flew back, and I woke up from flying back American Airlines to that. Are you bigging up American Airlines? No, bro. I'm just saying.

That was one of the planes. Definitely not funny. It was one of the planes. Oh, one of the planes. I'm just saying. I mean, the way I felt when I woke up was like, holy shit, I just flew back from there. You made a side deal, y'all. What? I'm just fucking with you. Let me go take a pee- woke up, I was like, holy shit, I just flew back. I'm like, you made a side deal, y'all. What?

Let me go take a pee-pee. All right, come on. Me too. Let's go. Pee-pee's time. Oh, shit. Come on, Jackie. Fuck it.

See, niggas can get carbones, get carbones, but in the face, I don't see nobody with carbones. I think he said he had carbone bones. Yeah, nigga. Yeah, yeah, nigga. What, his carbone outfit? That's a carbone outfit? Yeah, nigga. He said he loved carbone, nigga. Yeah, yeah, nigga. That's that Carbone outfit? That's Carbone, nigga. That's that Carbone outfit? He still love Carbone, nigga.

Hey, hey, he on stocks. I just, what up, nigga? What it look like, baby? Can you hear him? Is the volume up? Yeah, it's still working. Are you the word? I'm on drink chance, nigga.

Yeah! Make some noise for our lady! Yeah! You 50, nigga? Yeah, I'm a little... You know Norrie with his bullshit, yo. They got me over here drinking. They just know me, huh? That's what they do when they hear they fucked up.

I'm good, though. I'm good, I'm good though man You know Well talk about that victory Yeah yeah yeah Talk about that victory Talk about that victory Yeah

Listen hold on Hold on hold on Let Irv talk You need to talk to Fucking Nori Because Nori Called me the next morning After he said Let me tell you something He said nigga Nori because nori called me the next morning

After but he said let me taste some He said nigga Sometimes you know niggas don't know if you got he's still cool. Yeah brothers, and I said, I don't know How's that but you know, that's my name he's even not our names. Let me know and then you said he said but if these They know they know tonight They know after the night Comments going ham. He was in the comments. I didn't see the comments. I was watching.

So hold on. I need you to hold on. I need you to have this conversation with N.O. I'm just keeping it real. That's what I'm saying. No, I know you was, my nigga. I know you was holding it down with your brother. But hold on.

I need you to have this conversation with N.O. because N.O. was telling me, like, nigga, it was comedy in the comments. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No, I wasn N.O. was telling me, like, nigga, it was comedy in the comments. Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, I wasn't rude or no. I said, yo, listen, man. Gotti went at every single person. Everybody needs a friend like Gotti.

Yo, listen, niggas need Irv Gotti like a friend. Everybody needs a friend like that. I never seen a nigga go to war. You went to war with him. You know what, though, darling? It's like, I know I shouldn't say nothing. You know, it's old, but I don't know. It's just me as a human being and as a person.

I'm not going to let nobody talk. And they talking. Now, if it was real, cool. That's why. But I'm like, y'all niggas is talking and like, your hero ain't what you think he is, niggas. Like, you know what I'm saying? I know it's old, but, you know, it's just so much the big thing. I know I shouldn't say nothing.

And, you know, I should take the high road and shit like that. Yeah, nigga, we ain't got to say shit, Gotti. Shit like that. Yeah, but at the same time, i'm you know they talking about rule and and saying shit about rule and rules just he was just smashing you know i'm saying i personally with the battle you know crack is our brother right but i personally thought it wasn't a good battle because i knew rule just got too many smash records, right? And then when he did Punz's record,

I'm like, what the fuck is going on? That's not your record. When he let Nelly perform a record, it's like, what the fuck is that? What's going on? You know what I'm saying? If that was the case, we could have had Ashanti do mad of her own records

too on behalf of Rue. Nigga, I almost got it. Yo, let me tell you. He went there. He went there. Hold on. I almost let Ashanti do foolish. You went there.

I almost let Ashanti do foolish, but I said, no, no, no. I wasn't going to say nothing. I'm not going to do that. Was you mad about the Nelly and Ashanti hug? No. No, nigga. Stop. The bingo.

I went too far? I went too far? Come on, no, nigga, stop. The thing, man. I went too far? I went too far? Come on. No, no, no. What everyone needs to know is, like, me and Nelly is, like, cool and shit. Yeah.

They don't know that. Let's go. It's no thing, like, you know what I'm saying? It's no thing with a shanty. It's, like, that's completely, like, over and dead,

and I'm happy for whatever she does, and, you know, it's not there. Like, Nori, me and Rule is on... I'm on the path, dare I say, to become a billionaire. Goddamn it. I think you should make some noise for that. Make some noise for that, goddamn it. Like, I'm on the path...

I'm on the path with music, TV, and movies and film with visionary ideas. I got billionaires that's backing me. I'm, like, I like to say I'm sort of like DreamWorks, but the hip-hop version of DreamWorks. That's Steven Spielberg shit, right? That's Steven Spielberg shit, right? That's Steven Spielberg. Yeah, but I like to say I'm Spielberg, Katzenberg, and Geffen rolled into it. Talk your shit, nigga.

Talking that shit. No, but I mean, in all honesty, I pose the question, and I pose like the question to you and the Drink Champs people. I don't know anyone like me. Like, I make the music. I produce the records. I'm the executive. I make the records, I'm the executive, I make the videos. Then I create the TV series. I produce the TV series. I direct and write

the TV series. I'm about to direct and produce my first movie. I'm branching out with Tails and Tails Presents. We made it in America, which is a Jay-Z and Kanye song that's going Let them know, nigga. That's why I was telling my brother, you got to own this shit, man. shit so now if i could build my company to say worth just a hundred million dollars it's worth a hundred million dollars i can sell it for one to two billion i'm not even thinking a billion two no i'm thinking 10 20 billion you know i'm saying and shit like that and it's real and it's actually real so attainable yep why not me? Absolutely. I just want everyone to know, like, me and Rule, what y'all fail to realize, you think me and Rule is sitting at home doing nothing, nigga? And, oh, oh, this or that. Are you out your fucking mind? Like, me and Rule is like real talk, the greatest dudes in the world, man.

We good-hearted, good energy, and also, we ain't to be fucked with. Ain't nobody punks or, oh, you didn't live it. Yeah, every nigga that tried me and ruled. Got it. Get him off the line. Give me the phone. I'm getting you off the line. See, I'm going to go.

I'll see you later, my nigga. Bye-bye. My brother, I love you. You got to love me. Okay. You got to get Gotti off the line. You got to get Gotti off the line. We need Gotti back on Drink Channel.

Right. Yeah, we need Gotti back on Drink Channel. Listen, it's been plenty of times that y'all told me, y'all hit me and said, God, he's going too crazy, he's going too far. He definitely passionate, man. He's very passionate. He's definitely passionate. On them comments, I really felt his passion. I really felt like he wasn't there, but he really wanted to be there.

He went to bat. And I don't see that. I don't see Yeah. Like, and I don't see that. I don't see that from a CEO. I don't see that from partners. I don't see that from... Yeah. So how did y'all develop that love? Like, what type of shit is that? Our relationship is different.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's Swiss. Swiss beats? Okay, goddammit, nigga, you lit. We lit. We lit, nigga. Come on, nigga, you lit. We lit on Drink Champs at night. Swiss beats, we live on Drink Champs, goddammit, nigga, you lit. We lit. We lit, nigga. Come on, nigga, you lit. We lit on Drink Champs at night.

Swiss Beats, we live on Drink Champs, goddammit. Make some noise! Hey! Zah, zah, zah. Zah, zah. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm going to put Ja on the phone. Hold on.

What up, Swizzy? What up, baby? What's up, King? How you feeling? How that Versus Effect feeling for you? Yo, nigga, that Versus Effect is real, nigga. I was, you know, I was talking to Tim. You know, I spoke to you about it and texted you about it, how that versus effect feeling's going. Yo, nigga, that versus effect is real, nigga. I was, you know,

I was talking to Tim. You know, I spoke to you about it and texted you about it, but it's real. Can you FaceTime us? FaceTime us, Swiss. FaceTime us, Swiss. Yeah, FaceTime us.

Come on, man. Anybody else? I'm not in the best. I'm going to throw a hat on. Throw a hat on, nigga. You're not looking salty right now.

No, no, no. You got to relax. You got to relax. Throw a hat on real quick. Come on. Throw a hat on, nigga. You acting like a shorty right now. You got to relax. You got to relax. You got to relax. Throw a hat on real quick. Come on. Throw a hat on, nigga. Come on, man. We need you.

We need you, man. We need you. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah. You acting like a shorty right now. I definitely did. Can I have another one of my fingers? That nigga is stupid, man.

Come on, let's see if he can pick up. Nah. He got the on the... He got the on the yalla yalla. The yalla yalla yalla. Ain't by that hat on yet. He got the yalla on. We can give him a...

Come on, man, come on. He might need time. Give him a minute. You got to put on his... Let him call us back. Let him FaceTime us back. Jesus, all right. Geez, geez.

That verse is a fact. It's a fact. It's an major label. It's a fact. It's a fact. It's a fact. So let me ask you the question. You're going to leave me ringing your hang up, bro. No, nigga. He's not picking up.

He out. You know how a nigga look at you, oh, you lost somebody, and you be like, nah, he out. Yo, where the weed at? Where the weed at, nigga? Look, it's right there. Look at all of this shit. I need more.

I need something rolled up already. Can you come back to the blunts? No, I don't do blunts. Here, you want this? Do you know how me and you connected? Yeah, yeah, there you go. Do you know how me and you connected when we first lived in the same island?

I don't remember. You guys lived in the same island? Yeah, it was an island. It was a little island. In Jersey, there's an island. I don't remember. You guys lived in the same island? Yeah, it was an island. It was a little island. In Jersey, there's an island? Just leave it alone. Swiss Beats, goddammit! Hold up, man!

What's up, my brother? Zai, zai, zai! You know, you don't get me out, boy. I went hard for the birthday. I seen you. You was at the Met Gala, the fucking MTV Awards. You had a long weekend, my brother. Nah, I'm telling you, bro.

I was not mad. My throat went out on me the whole time. I'm here recuperating, you heard? Oh, but no. I seen. Let me tell you something. Hold on. I seen the video, nigga, and you was like, Rude is bullying the Bronx right now. I don't like it.

You guys, you definitely got your shit off. You know what I'm saying? Y'all both had some excellent showmanship. Yeah, it was amazing verses. It was just, it was with people, it was amazing verses. This is facts. This is facts. Show him your flowers.

Tell him when his twist comes, he gets... You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. This is a whole other chapter for you, and I think it's dope. Nah, it was good. Drink champs gave me my flowers. Yeah, yeah. Show them, show them.

Look, look, look. Look, look, look. Oh, they gave me flowers for real. Yeah, yeah. We're giving flowers, Swiss. I like it. I ain't getting back. It's a new thing. Come back, Swiss!

You got to... Oh, that's right. It's a new thing. It's a new thing. I was offended. I was the second. I said, Goddamn, I'm always the second to anything on this show. You know what I'm saying? Hold up. Word. Where you at, nigga? Oh, Lord. Oh, Lord. Word. Where you at, nigga?

You on your birthday vibes, nigga? Where you at? I'm at the crib. I got more ice cream to pay. I'm sorry. I love it. Ah, you didn't. Stop frontin' on the people, nigga.

Don't do that to the people. God. God damn. I love it, nigga. I love it. I love it. I love it. Yo, man, Versus is a motherfucking hell of a platform.

And like I text you, I said, man, I appreciate you. Thank you and Timbo for letting me showcase my motherfucking passion to the world, man. I appreciate it, my nigga. I respect that you did it kind of at the last minute.

You were no hesitation. Like, that's what it kind of at the last minute, too, with no hesitation. Like, that's what hip-hop is about. Oh, yeah. People be trying to get too corporate and stiff with the hip-hop shit sometimes. And I'm just like, yo, like, hip-hop was always like, you either bout it or you not. That's it, nigga.

We ain't hit hip-hop, you don't run from no smoke. I done battled people five, six times. Nigga, it ain't nothing Swiss I done Nigga I done battled Everybody in this Motherfucking industry Nigga

It wasn't You understand what I'm saying Like nigga Nigga I'm him Nigga I don't give a fuck Nigga

It's love But nigga I done battled everybody Niggas Everybody came at me Went at me And I went at them It's love. But, nigga, I done battled everybody. Everybody came at me, went at me, and I went at them. It was love. And we here. You know what I'm saying?

And I love that. And I love the love that you and Joe have. Even after, you know, having that excitement on stage. Like, Joe really, really loves you. That's my brother. He called me and told me that he wanted to celebrate with you. And I thought that was super honorable. That wasn't even a joke. No, that's love.

But he did try to take my head off, Swiss. He did not try to take my head off, nigga. He took my head off. The cool part is that everybody knows what love is. You know what I'm saying? And we can be witty on stage and creative on stage

and cocky on stage. And it still is love. And it still is love. Like, that's hip-hop. That's hip-hop. We're not gonna have a fucking rebellious conversation. That's hip-hop.

Like, I told niggas, I said, nigga, we talk dirtier than each other in dice games. Nigga, this ain't nothing. You know what I'm saying? This ain't nothing. Like, so.

We live in a time when people can't, people can't. And we gotta watch everything we say. You know what I'm saying? So I say. Yeah. When Joe, you know, caught that little bit of moment, but he handled it right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. But listen. But listen. I also had to check him on that moment because, nigga, you can't, we, listen, we doing this, you know, so it was, it all worked in the way it needed to work because, like, nigga, we can't disrespect each other as that. And so I'm glad I had that moment and was able to fucking let Joe know that he made a mistake. And Joe was able to let people know that he, you understand what I'm saying? He admitted his mistake. Let me tell you, I ain't going to hold shit up.

One moment I was real nervous for you. When he did that, what the fuck, who the fuck you think he talking to? And you fell into that trap when he dropped that beat of the other who shot you. I was like, oh, this is happening tonight. Yeah. When you hit the ladies on them.

Wasn't worried about it, Swiss. Swiss. I was in the building, by the way. I was there. I seen you. I'm telling you, I seen you. I didn't know you was in the building, but I seen you in Busta commentary.

I seen it. Busta ain't want to give it was in the building, but I seen you in Busta commentary. I seen it. Busta ain't want to give it up at the moment, but Busta, we from the doghouse, nigga! You know what it is, nigga! Yeah! Yeah, nigga! Well, you did it right. I'm glad you ain't doing like what you told me you was going to do, though.

Oh, shit. What shit? What shit? Let's not talk about that. Man, let's talk about that. Nigga. Listen. When you told me you was coming out with the band, I was like, I don't know if this

is going to work. Yeah, you're right. But no, Swiss, let me tell you something. I was going to present it. So everything was about the presentation. Nigga, I'm the singing rapper. I'm the rap singer. Niggas ain't mad at what I do.

Nigga, I'm comfortable with who I am. Swiss, there's no shame in who I am, nigga. Come on. None. I don't want no band. This is mother fucker. Let me tell you something. He got to take a shot.

Let me tell you something. We take it after. We take it after. Relax. Come on, it's your birthday. Happy birthday. I'm taking it, man. He took his hand.

Give him a shot. Come on, come on. You too. Take a shot. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. There was no room for them anyway on the stage.

But I want people to understand that hip-hop is an art form that is fucking expanded. It is fucking, it is the number one genre of music right now. And that's not because we're still boom bap and fucking two turntables and a microphone. That's

because we've expanded, my nigga. And I'm one of them expansions, nigga. So why the fuck I'm not gonna experience and express my, who I am and what the fuck I've made. My contribution to hip hop is bigger than just whatever. You know what I'm saying, my nigga. Everything you did was just right, bro. Yeah.

Like, every move was just right. Your weightiness, your energy, your showmanship, your selection of records, Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Joe said that. Niggas ain't want to come to the doghouse with me, Swiss. And let me tell you why. Because they know how I am, nigga.

Certain niggas know, for real, for real, how real how I get down nigga and who I am nigga and they didn't want to come to the dog house big up to my nigga crack that's my brother you know I'm saying love is love my nigga. Zah, zah, zah. Yo, I'm here, brother. Happy birthday, Virgo, brother. You know, I love you, man. Thank you so much for everything. Love, my nigga.

Appreciate it, man. Yo, Swiss, thank you, brother. Yeah, thank you, Swiss. Thanks, Lord, to Swiss. We love you, bro. I banged it on him. Sorry. You been a jerk the whole night. So why don't you take a shot?

What? Yeah, yeah, I definitely took a shot. Why? Yeah, we got you a shot. While you was talking. Oh, my God. This is a hold up. No, hold up. I know you got a shot, too, bro. Man, nigga, you ain't talking nothing.

You ain't talking nothing. Give Jody a little shot or something, man. I got to have my brother out. What you want? That's the shit right here, right? Yeah. I ain't talking nothing. I got to take it out of my mouth. Give Jody a little shot or something, man. I got to have my brother out. What you want? That's the shit right here, right? Yeah. I ain't going to lie. I drink some of watermelon colada.

That's what I drink. You know what I'm saying? Yo, why you doing this to me? Great story, buddy. No, no, let me pour you some of mine. I got that. Man, I'm pouring these niggas, man. Listen. Salud, salud, salud.

All right. Oh. Oh. Oh. Wait, hold on. We got to rewind. Listen Wait, hold on we got a real niggas drop My bad what you mean? Deli on mix it all up. Yeah, is that deli only? nigga. You can't mix it all up, nigga. Yeah, get that deli on, nigga. All right, deli on. All right, let's go. Salud. Hold on to that one tight.

Salud. Salud. Salud, my brothers. Don DeMarco. Cheers. Don, I get to play. Don DeMarco. So hold on.

Let me tell you a story, Norris. Oh, yeah. Let's talk about this. So back in the day, I want to say this is like 96, 97, 98. Okay. Shout out to DJ Clue. That's my homie. Right?

He had a show on the radio called the Monday Night Mixing. Move the mic to you. And you was on Paul's Superfire at this point in time. Yep. And Clue got a phone call for a certain person to want to come up there and rap. Right. And nobody knew who and rap. Right. And nobody knew who he was.

Right. But he was young fabulous at that time. Nobody knew who he was. He was fabulous sport. Fabulous sport. He was fabulous sport. So that was Clue's first time ever meeting him, number one. So he wasn't Desert Storm yet.

No. Right. Clue signed him that same night after he freestyled with Norio on the radio. That was the night he got signed. That was the night he got signed. All right, night he got signed. Tell the story. Sorry. Make some noise for that. So Nori's on fire and Clue says, yo, I got

somebody that want to come up to the station and rap. Nobody knew Fab. Nobody knew him at all. So then Nori's like, yeah, cool. Let him come up. Yo, let him freestyle because Nori's about to do a freestyle. So then Nori's like, yeah, cool, let him come out. Yo, let him freestyle, because Nori's about to do a freestyle. So then Fab comes in, now he does the freestyle, and then they go crazy.

From that day on now, you see who Fab is now. Fab has been who he is from that day on. Nori, like you said, he set him up. So they asked you first? Yeah, they asked me, and I just pictured myself as him. And I said, of course, I would let he set him up. So they asked you first? Yeah, they asked me, and I just pictured myself as him. Right.

And I said, of course, I would let the next person up. And he got on from that moment. He was on. I ain't even lie to you. Like, I always say, I wish I would have knew who he was, because I would have rhymed twice. But I rhymed once, he rhymed once, then he rhymed again.

Right. And that's when Clue and them, you know, which is dope, which is dope. I was on fire. I was already like number one in New York City. So I went on. So he got discovered by that moment. Yeah, and Clue and them signed them.

Right. Desert Storm, all that from that moment. Yep. And let me just tell you something. That's crazy, man. If I had a chance to do it all over again, I would do it the same way. Absolutely, man.

Why wouldn't you? Because every time I look at Fab, I just be looking at him like, I saw you from the beginning. Like the beginning. Like almost with you too. I'm sorry. I don't want you to claim a big homie card.

But the first time I met you, Leon Combs brought me to you. You remember? Yes. I want to hear your story. I want to tell you my story. I'll tell you my story.

Leon said, we're trying to sign this guy Noriega. This nigga's good. Josh! Come with me to Alton right now. I was the hottest nigga in the room. Come with me right now, go meet Noriega. He's a queen, you're from Queens.

We're over in Orlando. Makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense. And that's where me and Noriega met. I said, they brought me to Nori came from. Yeah. They brought me to the video that day. I was shooting Big Pun's video.

But you knew who Nori was already though. I was shooting you came up, Big Pun's video. But that's why I was like, of course I'm going to go fucking football. We ain't meet through the hood. I'm going to say hoods, but we ain't meet through the hood. We met through Leo fucking Cone's, bro. Come on, bro. Because he was trying to style y'all.

Big up to Leo fucking Combs. Big up to Leo. That was part of his hot scheme. I'm going to bring my hot new nigga down right now. He brung rules to break what's that shit called? What's it?

Break the ice. Obviously, you know, break, what's that shit called? Break, what's the shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's it? Break the ice. Break the ice. So he brung, because obviously I know who fucking Ja Rule is. Yeah. So he brung a Ja, you know, he had the bandana on, classic Ja Rule. You know what I'm saying? He had the bandana on.

So I look, I'm like, all right, cool. So Leo, because Leo, that was the flyest shit to me, by the way. Yeah. Leo called me and said, what are you doing today? Yeah. I'm sorry. I did a pedophile voice. I didn't mean to do that.

I didn't mean to do that. I didn't know that's a pedophile voice. Do you know Noriega? Come to me, the video. So he said to me, what are you doing today? And I said, I'm filming a video. So he said to me, what are you doing today? And I said, I'm filming a video. And he said, with who?

And I said, with Big Pun. And he said, I will be there. And he hung up. And I was like, wait a minute. This nigga ain't ask me the address. He just knew. He asked me nothing. He said, who are you

filming a video with I said pun he said I'll be there and hung up I was like wait a minute this is ill if he actually show up so I'm just sitting around waiting like let me see if Leo show up I don't know who Leo

I know who he is but I don't know how he look and then he pulls up in the car service. And this nigga jump out first. I said, oh, shit. These Hollis niggas be on some shit. Let me be on point. Nigga, this nigga with Leo. I said, oh, shit.

And it's just me, him, and Leo. And then. Yes, sir. I'm going to go a little deeper with you. And J. Rude, the damage, I'm so sorry, man. Because he might take this the wrong way. So I get up. I'm gold.

I go buy a property. Two, three months later, the chick that sold me the property calls me and says, hey, you know the model house, which is the big boy house on the block? This is the house that's fully furnished. A lot of people can't buy this house.

So she says to me, about to sell that to J. Rool. So y'all is like, yo, I work too hard. So I'm like, damn. Where he got it? Like, damn. These are real true stories. These are real true stories, man.

As long as it's a true story. I'm sorry. I love J.R. Listen, J.R. I apologize. The way I'm being funny. I know exactly what he's talking about because I bought that house turnkey. Yes, listen.

Which means everything was already. Everything was ready to go. Everything was ready. So I'm like, I'm sitting back. I'm like, damn, J. Rude, a damn, is a guy like that? Why he got it like that? Where's the dis in this? I don't get the dis.

There's no dis. There's no dis. So why you saying it's a dis? I don't know. I'm just saying I didn't want to live the day of no damage at this time. Ah, that's not the dis, bro. That's not a dis. So then Rude hit me. Oh, John. Just tell him. Ah, that's not the diss, bro. That's not a diss. So then Rue hit me.

Because the realtor. This is the diss part. The realtor must have been like, you know Nori? And then Rue hit me and said, hey, man. We don't have no problem with that. I was like, oh.

John hit you? Yeah. But he's like, because you know I'm trying to buy it. I said, oh my God. Ben said J. Rue. I'm sorry. You said this before in Dream Champs. This is old shit. Yeah, I don't want, because you know I'm trying to buy it. I said, oh, I said J. Rool. I'm sorry. Oh, you said this before on Dream Champs.

This is old shit. Yeah, I don't want J. Rool to down. He's not going to be down. Leave it alone, J. Rool. Nah, J. Rool coming on Dream Champs. He's coming on tomorrow. You ready? Oh, my God.

I've been ready for everything. It's funny because I know what he's talking about. I bought that crib turnkey. Absolutely. Nigga, listen. This is the model house. Did you see your name on Twitter? Tell him the name you gave him on Twitter.

Haru? Oh. Well, we said we got Jaru on Dream Champs. But you know I'm a high nigga. Yeah. And they put Haru on Dream Champs. Haru? Haru. Ha. Ha know I'm a high nigga. Yeah. And they put High Rule on Drink Champs. High Rule? High Rule.

Ha. Ha. Yeah. Everyone knew who I was talking about, though. Let's make some noise for my dumb fans. Yeah. All right. So we got about two more.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Like five more minutes and then we're going to wrap it up. 17. 17 more minutes. Yeah. So. 16.

16 more minutes. So what is the actual versus effect? Let's just narrow it down. I see you got the paddock on with $15,000 worth of $15,000 bracelets. You got the rose gold, the gold, and the platinum. And the bullet. The y'all, y'all. You don't have to make us feel poor over here, bro.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like $85,000 worth of jewelry just on one hand. Don't do that to me. I went too far? I went too far? I'm sorry. Go ahead. Continue.

So what is the versus effect? Versus effect, man, is... It has an effect. It definitely has an effect. And yesterday's price is not today's price. Yesterday's price is not today's price. At all. It's all the way up. It's all the way up!

It's all the way up, baby. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. I'm very disappointed in you right now. Because I crossed over? The question should be, there was never an effect on Drink Champs? Drink Champs has an effect, but it's not like the Versus Effect. No, I know it's not like Versus right now.

Versus is, Jesus Lord. It's a showcase of talent. This is an interview. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's a different effect. We made a showcase of talent. This is an interview. It's a different effect. We made you cool, though. I'm just saying. Just give us something. Ja, you didn't give me what I wanted. I was like, give me something.

What happened after the drink chance effect? And then? Reciprocate that. Didn't work out the way I wanted it to. It's an amazing effect. Let's take a little shot for that. Fuck it.

Fuck it. Let's take a little shot. No, no. This is it. This is it. Let's go on. The drink test has an amazing effect as well. No, no, no.

But we proud of you, John. I'm going to taste this shit. No, no. We know our verses. We playing with you. Y'all only do the older niggas. No. Y'all only do the real top niggas in the older, like I only do like the real top niggas

in the music game, like so. I'll take a shot, John. The Jake Champs is playing this real shit. Let's just take a shot. This is in your glory. We got to, we got to. Hold up, we doing this? How did you just, what the fuck was that spin?

Did niggas just see that spin? Hold, that was some Eddie Murphy, Charlie Murphy, Prince shit right there. Yeah, nigga. Holy shit, you spin that shit. Yo, where you at, Jody? Everybody take a shot with me, nigga. Hey!

Niggas got to be joking with me. Oh, you going in on that shot right there, bro. Jody, you, yeah, nigga. I ain't going to lie. Cheers, fellas. Respect. Respect. Cheers. Cheers. That's how you got to do it ain't going to lie. Respect. Respect. That's how you got to do it.

You got to do it like that. I don't know what that was, but. The yalla yalla, you know what I'm saying? All right, let's talk. Yes. And we got to get up out of here. Let's talk motherfucking NFTs and get you in the NFTs. Whoa, whoa, NFTs.

And then let's wrap it up. That's what we're talking about. NFTs. You guys. Are we in? We already in. That's what we're talking about. NFTs. You guys. Are we in? We already in. We already made the NFT right now. We in.

You are in our NFT right now. You are in our NFT right now. Okay, so I don't need to talk no more. That's good. I'm glad y'all, I'm glad that y'all are doing NFTs. You're the hottest nigga in America right now. No, I'm glad you're doing NFTs

with Drink Champs. No, we in, we in, we in. But you're the hottest nigga. One of my NFT that I did. Don't avoid this. Listen, my NFT. No, let him talk Drink Champs. Nah, we in, we in, we in. But you know how to stick it out. My NFT that I did with... Don't avoid this. Listen, my NFT... No, let him talk his NFT shit. Listen, my NFT that I did with Mogul just the other day

with Reboot Camp, it just sold for like one ETH, which is... Ether. You say one ETH? One ETH. One Ether, that's... One ETH is about $3,000, $4,000 right now.

It's a lot. Yeah. They said an ETH. No, Ether, Ether. Like niggas out here... three, four thousand dollars. It's a nice. Yeah. It's so the eighth. No, either like this. Ethereum, Ethereum, man. Ethereum. I mean, it's like a big life. I got an eighth. I got an eighth.

But what I'm saying is I have I also have a metaverse clothing line that I sell for your metaverse characters in the clothes in the metaverse. So that's an NFT type thing? It's called Stone and Robert. You can go to my collection on OpenSea. My partner over there, Black. That's NFT shit, yeah. And I also have a new collection called Club Cards coming out on NFT Space.

This is, you gotta, listen, NFT Space is good. That's the Patek Rose gold, right? Yeah. Alright, let's just make some noise for that the Fremo amen amen

listen man amen I want to tell you man I'm blessed you know I'm very proud for you you're one of my

closest friends for for real. For sure, for sure. A lot of people say that. We talk about shit, you know. I literally speak to you like once a week at least. And we talk about real shit. Real shit. We don't talk about no industry shit.

Yeah. And I will constantly be on these streets. And I will constantly be fighting every battle when you ain't around, because that's who you're supposed to be as a friend. And I'm just so proud of how the trajectory shift and how they just, everybody's like, you know what? Like, it was a beautiful thing. My nephew called me. My nephew said, they were watching the Versus in LA. And some just random Uber driver was like, I used to hate Ja Rule.

And my nephew's like, what? And he goes, but I didn't know why. And that's just very simple. It's a very simple fact. It's like sometimes where people, it just, how your image was at one point, people didn't understand it. People didn't understand

who you were. That's why this verse was very important for you. Because if you would have slipped and you would have broke your ankle and you couldn't perform how you would have did,

people would have just rolled you the fuck off. I understood the excitement. This is real shit. That's facts, niggas. This is real shit. You came, you didn't change, you didn't want to change. And everyone knew your second outfit.

Hoka Mania. Hoka Mania. No, he's so stupid, yeah. Hoka Mania. Anybody know this? What the fuck? We all knew that. Y'all ain't know?

God's going to... That's your second outfit. I'm 45,, shh. That's your second outfit. I'm 45, by the way. That's crazy, bro. What are you doing, bro? Let me just say something. We love you. We love Fat Joe.

We love, Joe's my brother, I swear to God. This is nothing like that, but this is not about not giving Joe his flowers, because he got his flowers all the time. This is about giving you yours. I appreciate that. You deserve it. You really went out there. You went against all odds.

You went against everybody. You stood there through the test of time. I even called you and said, you better have your crew out there. He was like, nope. Coming out there, don't know. That. Real shit.

With that being said, our show is about giving people their flowers. The show is about bigging people up. And although we've always bigged you up, we always did this. Today and this day and time, you deserve a better, bigger

opera. I don't know what word I just used. That's the right word. You used the right word, bro. You used the right words. And I love you, and you deserve all this shit. Come on, let's make some noise. Come on, we're going to take a picture,

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