Drink Champs - Episode 284 w/ Shyheim

Episode Date: October 22, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, we chop it up with Shyheim!Shyheim aka The Rugged Child signed his first record deal at the age of 13! The Wu-Tang Affiliate joins us and shares his journey. Shyheim, shares stories of performing with 2Pac, Digital Underground, Biggie, recording music with Big L and more.Shyheim shares how he started rolling with Big Daddy Kane, the challenges he faced growing up as a child star, his evolution as a man and much much more!Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfuckers. What it good be? Hope it is what it should be This your boy N-A-O-N-A-N What up, it's DJ E-F-N And it's drink champ Yappy Alba Make some noise! Now this is one of the episodes I love

This is one of the moments I love Because not only is this man a legend We recently had discrepancies or misunderstanding And when you do something that's wrong Or if you do something that you thought not only is this man a legend, we recently had discrepancies or misunderstanding. And when you do something that's wrong, or if you do something that you thought you didn't mean to, but you got to right your wrongs. And that's what real men do. Real men don't base their feelings off of boyish behavior. Real men act like real men. And besides that, we had the invitation to, we got respect for him. He's a legend.

One of the first child stars. Not only just a child star, but a child star that was like gangster. He's in mad movies. Got movies with LL. Got records with Big L. Part of the motherfucking legendary Wu-Tang motherfucking clan,

but I kind of feel like he started his career on his own. We're going to get to the bottom of that. We're going to talk about the movies. We're going to talk about his new show. We're going to talk about everything. In case you don't know, who the fuck we talking about?

Shaheen, the rugged man. Make some noise! Peace, peace, peace to the true living. You can't be one of you, the rugged child, no more, right? You know what? It's one of them things that I don't think I'll ever be able to shake it. Like Lil Wayne can never not be little? So you accept it.

Yeah, I don't got a choice. It's like I tell people my age and they still think I'm 15. Right, right, right. Like they don't accept the growth. Right. Well, let's talk about that. Let's talk about the beginning because how did you exactly get on?

Because I believe we heard of you prior to us hearing about Wu. Or did Wu come out in 92? What year was it? 94 that you came out? Well, my process into music, Wu-Tang was always a thing of Wu-Tang for me.

You know, I'm from Stapleton Projects. You know, Home of Ghostface. Producer, R&S, Rakim,

and, Rakim is RZA? RZA, yeah. Okay, yeah, okay. I like that floss. I like that floss. I like that floss. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, and 9th Prince. You see, me and 9, yeah, okay. I like that floss. I like that floss. I like that floss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, um, and 9th Prince. You see, me and 9th Prince, we met in second grade. And, um, we was just friends. And Rakim was his big brother. So they had DJ equipment. You know what I mean? I was coming from the projects. I really didn't have that.

But I was able to go around and see real speakers. Besides, back then, we used to have park parties. Like DJ Dr. Rock. Park jazz. I really didn't have that But I was able to go around And see real speakers Besides Back then We used to have park parties Like DJ Dr. Rock Park Jams Yeah DJ Dr. Rock Was from Staten Island And he arranged

That's the foursome C's Back in the Back in the 80's So they would throw park jams And that's what got me into it You know what I mean Seeing that And then

Dealing with real life Like with my mom's drug addiction It was like When I said it in a rap It was loved. So that kind of gave me the confidence to, and that's why my rhymes always was about that, about the struggle, because it was therapy

for me to get it out, because I didn't really have many people to talk to. What age was you when you first came out? When I came out? Oh, gosh. Well, see, this is the thing. I was kind of outside. I was outside for a long time before I actually got on. Mercury from the legendary R&B group, the Foursome D's, they're from Staten Island.

And Merc would throw parties, and he would bring artists to Staten Island. And he would let me open up to perform. So that's how I was meeting Chuck Chivow, Granddaddy IU, Naughty, all before, you know what I'm saying, I got my opportunity. Once I started to do those shows, Rakim and R&S, who produced the UMCs at the time, he, they started this like, oh, come up to the studio and started to let me come around. And then I started to, but the thing was, I had to get my own tapes. You know what I'm saying? Back then you had to go get the Maxwell tapes. I didn't understand, still have my own joints. 60 minute joints. That's to get my own tapes. You know what I'm saying? Back then, you had to go get the Maxwell tapes. Right, right, right.

And I still had my own joints. 60-minute joints. That's what I had to do, you know what I'm saying? So I would do all types of things to get tapes. And how old were you again at this time? 13? No, no, no. 13 is once I had to deal.

We talking. I'm probably like nine. I'm probably like nine, 10 years old. I can't even imagine everything he's saying to him being nine years old. I never had a curfew. Why? I mean, you know, my mom's in the street, so it allowed me to be outside.

So my hustle was go to the store. So that's how I would get my little dollars, taking bottles to the store. That's who I was. That's who the rugged child was. I took bottles to the store. I packed bags. And two pops it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuse me, miss, can I help you to your bag with your car at the supermarket? That was me. Drug dealers, yo, I go to the store, keep the change, and that's how I fed myself some most nice, you know, and I bought my tapes and started to go up there and create demos. So I had finally got a demo. It was called The Bad Little Bastard.

And R&S and Big Wigs and Guy Routain and them, they was shopping GP Woo at the time. And my song was on the tape. And they're at a meeting. And, you know, back then they would play the tape, the tape would end, and go to the other side. So at the meeting, the tape goes. So, and all they hear, I'm a bad little bastard.

Who do you think you are? And they're like, who's this little girl? And they're like, girl? Because you're so young, your voice is young. Everybody thought I was a girl. Even Big Daddy Kane said, yo, I thought he was a girl when I seen him. Because my hair was wide. I don't know.

But my voice was real MC Light-ish. Right? And they're like, nah, that's my little man from my projects. They're like, yo, you got a picture of him? And it was like, yeah. And they gave him a picture. And it was like, yo, we want to sign him. And it was just like, word.

And then it was like this little kid from Staples and Projects now got $350,000. Wow. And because what was the first label you signed to? Virgin Records. Virgin Records. That was when Janet Jackson was over there. Janet Jackson. You got the smell of Janet Jackson? No, I actually didn't get the smell of Janet Jackson, but I met Michael Jackson once.

You went too fast. Hold on. Calm down. Calm down. Oh! Nah, as a kid, nah, I see what you're trying to do. Come on, man. I wasn't even going now. I down. Calm down. Oh! Nah, nah, nah, nah, as a kid, nah. I see what you're trying to do. Not like that. I wasn't happy. Come on, man. I wasn't even going now. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I was saying that. I wasn't even going.

I was just saying, because I sounded a little excited. Y'all foul. Y'all foul. I had to check. I had to check. Hold on, hold on. I wanted to be like Mike. I was thinking legendary shit. Y'all went somewhere. I mean, hey, it is what it is. I was young, because it could easily get you screwed like that. Like, he was happy he met Mike.

Like, nah, I was happy that I met Mike, but I was a little older when I met him. Okay, so you know you're not drinking, but I'm going to drink some champagne. Okay. But I'm on the brew. What you want me to pop? You want me to pop the big boy

or you want me to pop the little homie? Honestly, all of it looked big boy to me because I heard of the Ace of Spades when I was away in the magazines. That's my own shit. Yeah, that's like big, big, big shit. So, yeah, you got to go big. Got to go big.

Come on, let's try. Eat my motherfucking right in the middle. Okay, yeah, you got to go big. I'm going big. Come on. Let's try. Eat my motherfucking running man in the middle. Okay, okay. Don't leave this Michael Jackson story. Okay, no, no, no. We're going right into it. Okay, so what age was you? No, I'm just playing.

No, the only reason I said Mike because you brought up Janet, right? Yeah. I was at Sony Studios recording. 57th Street. Yeah. 57th Street. So it's the old building.

No, it's the new building. Okay. So I'm near the exit smoking. Right. All. 57th Street. So it's the old building. No, it's the new building. Okay. So I'm near the exit smoking. Right. All of a sudden the back door opens, boom. I see a mask. I said, oh shit.

They've been on the mask. Yeah, they've been had. So I said, oh shit. I said, Mike, oh. I'm like, you know, right away, oh, Shion Wood, Shion. He's like, oh, I love you guys. I love your music. I was like, I was so hyped,

I ran back and told everybody. And then we all rushed to this studio. Everybody want to take pictures. This is the little cameras. Ain't nobody got nothing. Ain't no Instagram back then. We was happy. We didn't last five minutes after that.

Next thing, the phone rang. Yeah, you guys is going to be moved over to the other building. Oh, yeah, Michael got rid of y'all. He's secure. But I was hyped, yeah. You got a picture with Mike somewhere in this world? It is somewhere in this world, but I don't have it. Yeah, I don't have anything.

You know how it is when you get locked up. It seems like nothing. You don't have nothing no more. So how is that, right? Because, see, a lot of people don't know. I went through poems big with him, right? I didn't actually Go to jail with him Yeah

But I'm affected Just as much as that We met in jail But this bed The second bed Had to be different for him People knew who he was When he walked through

People How was that Being someone famous And then having to go back To that life Because everyone's On the same level Everyone gets the same Air Giulianis.

Everyone gets the same amount of commissary. So how is that going from where you came from to that? For me, I always remain the same. So in any situation, I'm always the same. You're going to see me the same here. I'm the same way in prison. I'm the same way celebrating

with my family. I'm one way. I only know this way to be and to be myself. So I always took me wherever I went. And I gave respect and I demanded respect. And that's that. I didn't play games. I didn't play cards. I didn't play basketball.

I didn't rap. I used the penitentiary as a university. I studied. I wrote. I worked out. And I got to see the world evolve without me and keep going without me. And that was hard. That was hard when I had to finally, when I made the decision to stop reaching out, stop calling, stop writing, stop doing that.

What did you do, five years in this recent one? No, I did six this last one. Six? Yeah, they chipped me out of a year. I don't know why they kept saying five years. That's a whole fucking year. Wikipedia got you in five years. Yeah, where did you this last one. Six? Yeah, they chipped me out of a year. I don't know why they kept saying five years. That's a whole fucking year. Wikipedia got you in five years. Yeah, where did you get that, man?

Tell me, did you get it out of a year? I got all that, man. Shit. That's a big difference. Hell yeah, hell yeah. Wikipedia kept saying I was born in 76, and I'm like,

no, I'm 77, bro. I'll give you another year, but go ahead, continue. Yeah, so, you know, so that's how I carried myself, and fortunately, you know, there was a lot of brothers in there that related to me in some way and felt like I was their little brother. And these guys never got another opportunity in life.

And they knew what I was facing. I had a terrible bit. I had a 7 to 14 bit. For those that don't know, which means you could have been there anywhere from 7 to 14 years. And with that, you got to walk on eggshells. And it was a thing of, you know,

it's all type of things to get into. And you know it. The drugs is there. Even the women, because, you know, even with the CO, when they get a CO,

you get some drama because he like her and in his mind, that's his girl. And niggas make up relationships and you fighting a nigga over something up relationships And you fighting a nigga Over somebody Yeah you fighting a nigga

Over something That ain't even yours Because she told you To start sweeping the steps The nigga mad That you sweeping the steps now You gotta fight a nigga Over sweeping the steps

Because he feel like You taking his bra And it's like bro We inmates Like this is not You know So I stayed away from that And it was like a decision

You can Stand outside In the yard every day And reminisce about All the dudes that had it And what you used to do In the town Or you can focus on

Getting in these programs And making them work And bettering yourself And I chose that Right But do you You been bumping into Anybody else that was famous

Or anybody else that was rapping Yeah yeah I seen Me and True Life And Clinton I seen True and True Life and Clinton. I seen True Life one day, but he was in a program called APPU. I was in general population. So I had luckily, I was coming from the package room and I had got through the gate.

So I ain't even supposed to be in the hallway with them when they walk. That's like having the mayor. Everything's short of a shotgun walking with them. You know what I mean? So I was like, oh, shit. Yo, what's up, boy? Yo, what's up, boy? Yo, hold your them, you know what I mean? Right. So I was like, oh shit, you know, yo, what's up boy?

Like, yo, what's up boy? Yeah, hold your head, you know what I'm saying? I am, you know,

back to my thing, but I was more excited to meet like the legends, like the jail legends. Right, oh yeah. Like, like the Wemos

and like, like, like legends from the street. Like, you know what I mean? I was, I was excited to meet those guys and just to see

where they went wrong at. Right. And, you know, and so I said, you know and so i say you know what i got another chance i can't blow it right so so that so how does that happen now you come home the wool embraces you does what happens like the first bit of the second bit i'm talking about the second bit yeah oh this is because we this is what you just told me

this is the second bit. It was great. It was great because I was a man now, dealing on man levels. Before, you know, I was a kid. You know what I mean? So to finally be recognized and dealt with as a man and respected as a man, it's a long time coming.

You know, for a lot of time in my life, I expected things. And then when I expected things, I got let down. So everything's a plus for me today. I live my life for today. And, like, I just embrace everything for today. It's a good one today. I don't know about tomorrow, but I'm going to enjoy this one right now. I'm going to enjoy being on Dream Chance because, like, this is a miracle.

This is a miracle for me in my life and and like i promised god when when i was in that cell and i and i broke down i prayed to allah and i asked him to fix me and fix my life and take everything that's not good for me away and put right people in my path and and he did that for me and i'm sitting here today so i want to let y'all know that Allah is real and he exists. Allah is real. On one of the joints I was listening to today, let me get my notes. You said, everyone's a

hoodlum until they get locked up and turn blood or muscler. Yeah. Well, Big Bang take little bang And in New York penitentiary The two biggest monsters Is the homies

And the Muslim community And that's just what it is You see dudes that was everything In the world And not saying that they might not Find God and want to Change their life everything in the world. And, you know, and not saying that they might not find God and want to change their life

and those particular, because we do. But sometimes when it's false, you see them when they're home, they're not on their D, they're not still, they throw their crown as soon as they get off the bus.

There's mad Bibles and Korans and crowns and kufis in the bucket. You know what I'm saying? And that's when they're repeated because you're not serious with your growth. You ever thought New York City would be like that? Like, you know what I'm saying? And that's when they'll repeat it because you're not serious with your growth.

You ever thought New York City would be like that? Like, you know, you being so young in the game, I'm sure you had to travel to California and see the differences. Like, we had the Garbades. We had the... We had posses. Yeah, we had posses.

We had black spades. And we had all of this. But it wasn't really, per se, gangs. Like, even Zulu Nation. Like, Zulu Nation. Zulu Nation was actually looked at as something that was positive. And then it gets to the West Coast and the Bloods and the Crips thing.

And I remember us actually laughing. Not laughing, but looking at it. What are they doing? They got jerry curls. And why are they doing this? And then now, New York is doing that. Well, I think it's just the state of the mind of the people because some people are followers

and some people are leaders. There's a bunch of followers that follow the trend. You know what I mean? And they don't know no better. They don't know. They're just going off what they appear, what they see, what they see to be real. And sometimes it takes some people their life.

And then sometimes it takes people in prison forever. And then some people get it in between and change their life around. I think New York is following on a whole lot of levels. On music, on everything. I think with us, what we did was, because it was everything. We set the trends all the time.

And what we stopped doing was sticking together. It was a time I remember as a kid, as a kid, the whole industry was mine. Everybody was my big brother. Chuck D, Big Daddy King, LL. These

dudes, when they seen you, they grabbed you, they hugged you, they told you, and they now, you see a dude, it's a standoff. You can see who's the fly. It's like I'm flying to you. Like, I can't say nothing to Shaheen because I'm me. It's like, man, what's up? It's me.

You're right. It got really, I like to say, software. I don't want to say it was always like that, but it was a great time where everyone embraced everyone. Like, when I had an album release party, everyone would be there. Like, I couldn't even, I didn't even have to call people. I do remember that time. You ever thought hip-hop would be in this level? As big as it is,

the verses and all this shit. I'm happy. I'm happy to be a part of it. I see the evolutionary growth. Of course, it has to change. These kids want to do what they want to do, and there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, but it's growth.

It's a lot to be done because it's all the other things that can come from hip hop that we're able to do. Use our popularity, use our voices to clean up the community, to start businesses

and use our voices to just tell people how to go about it because one thing we lack in our community is the information. If I would have known half the things

that I've learned along my journey, I wouldn't have, you know, stumbled as much. Not to say I wouldn't have made no mistakes. I wouldn't have stumbled as much. And that's what the other people do in their communities. They give them the information. When they're in high school,

they're preparing for, they're giving them the Jews. They're giving them that. And they're helping them walk through it. I think in our community, everybody just goes for self when they make it. I think that's what Pharrell said on our show. He said when he said the information, we can't hide the information. We have to share

the information. And I think that's something that we've been trying to do on Drink Champs. It's the crabs in a bucket mentality. Yeah, the crabs in a bucket mentality. You got those ready, Ross? You know what I'm saying? Because this is what got those ready, Ross? You know what I'm saying? Because this is what we do for our legends. You know what I'm saying?

We want you to know you were way invited way before this dumb shit, and you're always going to be invited. So we wanted to make sure you got your flowers, you know what I'm saying, to your motherfucking face. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean?

You know what I mean? Oh, man, your dudes are... Come on. Come on, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, to your motherfucking face. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, to your motherfucking faces. Let's just grab our stuff. You know what I'm saying? You want some of these?

Nah, these is just for the crib, you know what I'm saying? They last. Those are real roses, those are real roses. Golden roses. Yeah, yeah. And they last for a couple years, a few years. This is a real gift. Because that's what our show is about.

Our show is about giving flowers. That's dope. It's always been about giving flowers. Are we going to make some mistakes along the way? Of course we will. Are we going to make some mistakes after? Of course we will. But our heart and our goal is in the right mind and the right frame.

It's in the great intentions. And we wanted you to know that face-to-face, man-to-man, eye-to-eye, my nigga. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? Salud, my dad. So now, I need you to go, this goes on and on, y'all. One thing real quick,

I just counted, it's 12 of these, right? One plus two is three, that's understanding. That's understanding. So we had to go through nine of this. You know what I'm saying? 12 jewels, 12 jewels, come on, we here, y'all. Come on, we here, y'all. Come on, we here, y'all.

You know what I'm saying? We here, y'all. All right, so you gotta take me through. This goes on and on, y'all. Yeah. Classic. You made that record? How did you, how did, what the fuck, what's going on?

You were 11? No, it was, it was the, no, I was like 13. Okay. And it was, no, actually 14. And it was the 14, yeah, 14, 15, somewhere around there. You know, I just started getting old, years switch up. But it was the last song for the album And my manager Wiggs Wiggs was always

The guy Instilling like Black history for me Like different from When I was with the guards You know what I'm saying He was on like Martin Luther King

He was more peaceful You know what I'm saying When I was with the guards It was more revolutionary So But he was always He ate pork? Yeah You know what I'm saying? When I was with the guards, it was more revolutionary. So, but he would always... He ain't pork? Yeah, he ain't pork.

I felt like he ain't pork. Yeah, continue. But this is what I'm saying. So, it was just the Jews and he was like, yo, you have to be the reporter. This is who you are. You have to show through your eyes.

You know what I'm saying? So, I said, all right, well, I'm going to write through my eyes and that's what came out of it. Because you wrote that as a 13-year-old? Really? And the line where I said,

old man got shot in a parking lot in front of my building. I hang with his grandchildren. It wasn't actually an old man and his grandchild. It was actually a dude by the name of Tom Reagan that I looked up to in my neighborhood. He was fly. And it's like a dude just shot him under the building and just like I killed him

That was one of my early deaths You know when you young you start to see and it always affected me because he was one of the dudes that had one of those smiles you know seemed like Everybody that goes has that smile and it's like he had that smile and it was just like I never forgot him and when I Was writing that and I said, all right, this is what happens in my neighborhood. All right, so was was like cuz I You know, we interviewed Jermaine Dupri, right?

And it's something that I asked him, like, you know, him working with child stars, is he could always get this money from Nickelodeon or Disney. Was that ever, like, was there people who ever say, calm it down, because you're 13. By the time you're 18, you might be in a fucking Walt Disney. Oh, man, it was many, it was many opportunities.

Telling you to relax, telling you to calm down? No, just telling me to change my narrative. To, you know, be a little more clean, you know what I'm saying? To join Immature, because I did a record with Immature called The Lover's Groove, and they wanted me to join the group. And I was like, I can't be-

They wanted you to join Immature? Yeah, like to be the rapper. I didn't catch that. To be like the rapper, because we did the song and he was dope. I can't picture that. I couldn't either.

And it was a lot of money. But you know, coming from the projects, this is what I love about coming from where I come from. It gives you this thing called, fuck it. And it's like, yo, for my

principles and my pride, fuck it. It's like this is who I am. I turned down movies because I wasn't going to kick over a garbage can. Because I know if I came back to the project, they're going to kill me. Oh, this thing was kicking over the garbage cans in the project. I couldn't have lived. You know what I'm saying? So I based

everything off of what I thought that the people from my neighborhood would think of me. That was plus or minus yeah it's a both it's a minus too because that's not real life you shouldn't you should live your real life not what people think but as a kid you're only influenced by what you see that's your world so in my book bag for a long time i carried everybody else's shit everybody else's thoughts everybody it's shit that i accumulated and that's deep and then it was soon when it burst and it was over

and everybody went to their real lives, I was still stuck in a maze like, oh shit, there ain't no real industry? It ain't no, these niggas really

don't love me? Oh shit, this was business. Oh yeah, sorry kid, this was business. I'm not like really your lawyer. I ain't coming to court

to help you with your face in 30 years. I'm not going to help you kid. You got the budget? Call somebody. They're not, years. I'm not going to help you, kid. You got the budget. Call somebody. They're not, what? And then reality hits you like, oh, shit.

And that's 18, you're saying? Started hitting you with that? No, no, no. But let's stick with 13. It took me a long time. It took me a long shot because this is like your first hit record, right?

How many people you finger popped at that time? Oh, I was a legend. Yeah, yeah. At least I got that. For 13 years. I don a legend. Yeah, yeah. At least I was 13 years old. I don't know why we clap at the same time. No, no, no. But here's the thing.

A lot of the women probably be in jail right now because I wasn't dealing with 13-year-olds. You was the opposite of all of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You was the opposite of 12. I was getting grown with them. What are you going to say? Yeah, I'm telling you.

I remember how I got my beard. I'll tell you how I got it. You was eating pussy. When I was young, the older guys would tell me, you got to get a beard, you ain't doing that. Right, because I'll be talking to a girl. I come through the project. Was he a Puerto Rican?

Yeah. Was the guy who told you that a Puerto Rican? I'm half Cuban, so. Oh, hey, come on, man. You're not telling me that. I don't speak nothing. No, you're still. You're supposed to be eating pussy early. Go ain't talking to that. I don't speak nothing. You know, still. You're supposed to be eating pussy early.

Go ahead, continue your story. Yeah, so it was a thing like, you know, you got a little girlfriend and you couldn't come through the back of the building on the bench. Everybody out there hustling. So they like, yeah, you don't know what to do with that. You ain't doing the right thing. And I'm like, yes, I am.

I'm chilling. They say, you ain't eating? I'm like, ew, that's nasty. And he's like, yeah, you got to put your whole face, everything, the chin, the side. And my stupid ass was like, yeah, all right, you did all this shit. Now, woof. I can't even cut it.

I cut it today. He's like, woof, tomorrow. It's crazy. But that's how you get this bad. Yeah, I thought that was just Puerto Rican shit. It's like, I didn't even know Cubans. The two Cubans have beers. Yeah, the two Cubans.

I did not mean that. I did not mean that. Puerto Rican, I'm okay I'm half black too Jamaicans don't want that Jamaicans is different I know a few that do though Yeah

They be low riding Oh yeah We call it Sifu Yala We call it Sifu Yala Yeah but a lot of them But you gotta think At the time Besides the rap celebrity girls that was around my age

that I used to think I would have a relationship with, you know. But I liked older girls. You knocked down a couple, right? It's okay. Let's just throw it out there. Who you knocked down? I mean, see, there's a problem with that, right? Because I don't want to seem like I'm one of them dudes that, like, talk about some old shit.

It was 20 years ago, nigga. Let's just be clear. We had Nick Cannon sitting at the same table. Yeah. Oh, he's a legend. And he said that Kim Kardashian hurt his feelings. And we had to say it. We's just be clear. We had Nick Cannon sitting at the same table. Yeah. Oh, he's a legend. And he said that Kim Kardashian hurt his feelings. And we had to say, we had to be with him.

So you ain't got nothing to worry about over here. She hurt his feelings. Yeah. He said, listen, damn, I'm blowing up the episode. The episode's out, right? Yeah, it's out. He said he kept it real. We had him take a couple of shots. He started smoking weed. He was genuinely hurt. We even asked him to smoke weed. He just smoked weed. He said he kept it real. He was genuinely hurt by it. We even asked him to smoke weed. He just smoked weed and he said,

he kept it real, he said he would've stuck by her if she would've said that the Ray J tape was real. But he said that she said the Ray J tape ain't real. So he was like, all right. And then when it came out, he was hurt. He said he couldn't. He said, but he wish he did. Oh, see, I don't know.

I mean, it depends why. It depends why. That's his own motive why, you know what I mean? See, it's his own. Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, it depends why. It depends why. I mean, that's his own motive. Why? You know what I mean? To each his own. Yeah, but I didn't like... Who you dated?

You don't got to put it like knock down. Who you dated? Everybody. Damn. I think, was Monica one? No, Monica wasn't. I met Monica. Monica's a cool person.

Okay, very cool. Monica's very like churchy. That wasn't really... Like, not to say she wasn't my style, but I was into the bike, the street girls. I wanted the girls. I like girls, like, the girls that I liked.

I like, like, Foxy Brown. I like, like, Vito. I like, like, Queenie Paine. I like girls like that. Okay, okay. I followed all of them. Family matters girls. I like girls like that, that was in the industry, doing their thing on a high level. Very, had swag. They was doing, you know what I mean?

Goddamn it, I follow all the way through, brother. I follow all the way through. Respectfully, respectfully. Yeah, respectfully. And Monica's a G, actually. She's a G, yeah, yeah. She's a very good person. I met her, I never like, never talked to her in that manner.

Right, right. So, moving on. How did you start acting? What was the acting bug? Who told you? It was, uh, the first off I got was to be in the Friday movie. To be in Fridays as the little kid Chris

kicking over the garbage cans. And I was like, I ain't doing that. Wait, wait, come on, come on. So when you said kicking over the garbage can, you're talking about Friday night? Yeah, they wanted me to kick it. What's wrong? What are you talking about?

They told you not to do it? No, I didn't want to do it. Oh, you didn't want to do it. Because think about it, right? During that time, right, we talking early 90s. You would have killed Chris in the garbage can. Oh, that would have been a legend. This is the early 90s.

You was kind of sellout. Like, at that time, it was like, yo, you got a movie. You was a sellout, right? That's the deal. I remember, listen, I remember even the clan, and this is no disrespect to anybody, but I remember there was a time, right, because I hung with Kane. And Kane, man, that's like, that's all, that's my heart, right?

And he would always give me these jewels, like, never sell your publishing, do this. And he'd say, yo, you need to take your career to do movies and things like that. And I would come back home around, trying to make you a sellout. And I'm like, yo. And then, so I'm like, nah. My mind was like, I don't want to be a sellout. You know what I'm saying? Like, nah, I'm hip hop all the way.

That was the era. Being on the radio was still the era. That was too much. If you made it to the radio, you was done. You wasn't on the radio. You ain't barbie throwing stress. You made it to the radio. Oh, this nigga's a dub.

You be in a party, nigga be like, nah, he ain't. He don't rep us no more. It wasn't to commercials and things and money like that. And people said, forget all this. Forget sticking true to the culture. I'm going to get the bag.

And if I got to do a flip in a Sprite commercial, that's what they did. And it made, it sells everybody out at the end of the day. But wait, was the Friday thing

before the TLC video? Yeah, yeah, it was before because it's the same director. So when that ain't happened for that, he called me back. He said, all yeah, it was before because it's the same director. So when that ain't happened for that, he called me back. He said, alright, it's not acting. It's just being in a video and all you're doing is being yourself. He said, I said, what is

it for? He said, TLC. I was like, oh shit, TLC, yeah, I'm on that. And it was just to be in a video. I didn't think of it as acting. I didn't think of it as acting. I just thought of it as being in a video. But Friday, did you know Ice Cube was attached to that? I didn't really care. You know what I mean. I didn't think of it as acting. I just thought of it as being in a video. But Friday, did you know Ice Cube was attached to that? I didn't really care. You know what I mean?

I didn't care because for me, what meant the world was coming to a party and Rakim giving you a dap or Chuck D telling me that I'm the bridge. And it's like, no, I'm not, man. Listen, I want to be accepted. You know what I'm saying, on the block. I don't really care about that other stuff. You know what I mean? So that's why. But then when he said the video, I said, all right, I'm not acting.

I'm not really. So I did that. And then the next call I got was by Fred Williamson for Original Gangsters. Original Gangsters. And this is one of the things when I can say this. If people want you, they're going to find you. I don't care if you're under a rock or nothing.

It's all that. You need to be politic and have this one number. That's bullshit. If you got interest and people see value in you, they're going to find you. So that's what happened.

My phone rang one day. It's an old man by the name of Fred Williamson, the Hammer. Now, people who know who the Hammer is, they know. Me, I didn't know. So I'm like, who? Yeah, it's the Hammer. So I'm who know who The Hammer is, they know.

Me, I didn't know. So I'm like, who? Yeah, it's The Hammer. So I'm like, can't touch this? He's like, nah. He's like, no, this is Fred Williamson. I said, okay, well, what's up? He's like, I want you in the movie.

And I'm like, I don't know. Ask your mama who Fred Williamson is. I'm like, yo yo You know some dude Some dude on the phone Talking about Fred Hampton William There was a little Jim Brown in him

Everybody in my family Man they done jumped up My uncles You doing that You doing that I don't care about All that shit you doing You know what they did

For black people In movie and films And everything You're gonna go And be in this film With I got an uncle, God bless his soul, named Chico, my uncle Charlie,

and he was like, when he said you gonna do it, you gonna do it. You go on, you do it. And that's how I got into original guys. Goddamn, make some noise for original guys. Oh man, hold on, I got so much notes, man. Hold on, hold on. Oh shit, damn.

Who real quick time was flying today? These guys. You ain't seen them arguing? Dominicans and Colombians. They was mad loud on the side, bro. You ain't see that shit? Where'd you sit? Where'd you sit in that shit? On me personally? On the group chat? No, I'm talking about earlier. That was in the group chat. Okay, cool.

Alright, cool. I got it. Yeah, this is good. Shout out Organic Food King. Oh, shit. All right, cool. I got it. Yeah, this is good. Shout out Organic Food King. Oh, shit. Shout out to Jack Thriller, who also was a part of it.

Oh, yeah. Oh, Jack Thriller, Jack Thriller. You know, I said, oh, he the new Farrakhan. Who, Jack Thriller? He called me, he called me, like, what's love?

He's a great dude, man. I'm like, what's got to do with it? I'm fair. I either love or hate him. Like, they either love him or they hate him. Yeah, he's a good person.

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In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published, and he was unlike any first-time author Canada had ever seen. Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted. Has spent 24 of those years in jail. 12 years in solitary. He went from an ex-con to a literary darling almost overnight. He was instantly a celebrity. He was an a celebrity.

He was an adrenaline junkie, and he was the star of the show. Go-Boy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable. I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my spleen, break my ribs. I had my guts all in my hands. Only to find himself back where he started. Roger's saying is, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one, Roger. From Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts, listen to Go Boy on the iHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I'm going to run through a couple of these, Or wherever you get your podcasts. Rugged Child in 1994. Damn, that little nigga, man. Because he literally is a different person. Yeah. He wanted to save the world. He wanted to bring everybody from his projects with him.

If I could have, I would have. At 13. I would have had everybody. Everybody. I would like to believe through my actions, and maybe, you know, the people from my neighborhood maybe could tell you better than I could probably tell you, but I would like to believe that I shared my money,

my fame, my life with them. You know, I gave this music business more than half my whole existence in the planet. You know, and... Real shit. You know, I'm hip-hop. I gave this music business more than half my whole existence in the planet, you know? And, um... It's real shit. You know, I'm hip-hop. I dedicate my life to this shit. You know what I mean?

Okay. The Lost Generation. Oh, he was arrogant. He had some money. Yeah, yeah. It's the same little homie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's getting bigger now.

Yeah, he in control now. He, you know... He's his own boss. Yeah, he's getting some... Still on Virgin? Yeah, control now. He, you know... He's his own boss. Yeah, he's getting some... Still on Virgin? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. He's Virgin Neutral

because they had created a rap department now. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It was me, the Looney's, and Scarface, a couple, the Rap-A-Lot dudes was over there.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so it transitioned, but it was still under Virgin. Yeah, I was having sex. You know what I'm saying? The R-Finger pop. Oh, yeah. I was in the game now. All, I was having sex. You know what I'm saying? Be our finger pop. Oh, yeah. I was in a game now.

All right, you scoring now. Yeah, at the point, I used to collect phone numbers. You had a black book? Well, everything. Okay. So, you know, so I was, yeah,

I was a little horn dog. I'm a Scorpio, too. Horn dog? Yeah, I was horn dog. I was busting them down. But that was the lost generation. It was the lost generation? Okay.

Man, child. That's when shit got real. That's when shit got real. That shit got real. That's when it changed from we're with you to now you got the honey.

You're saying the audience, the people? Well, I don't know. I don't know about music. I don't know what fans was thinking. I don't really base my life on what that forces. It's just like in my personal life and in my community, in my neighborhood, it started to change. People that was rooting for me was for me,

but then it was like it started to change into jealousy. It started to change into because you're next to me now, you feel you should have what I have, and you feel that I'm stopping you from getting it, and it's not me, it's God's blessing me, how are you mad at me for him blessing me, pray, and he'll bless you, but that's what happened so it started to turn to hate i started to get caught fighting getting caught with guns because i ain't know no better and all i knew what to do was yo get a gun was i ready to shoot somebody absolutely not i couldn't tell you i remember fronting in the mirror like i'm on oh i got one walking with it i wasn't prepared for that you know i'm saying And that's what happens with

a lot of kids and teenagers. We get thrown into a gang, get thrown into business, whether it's hustling and being out there and don't know what to do when the real shit happens. So you make these mistakes and the only thing

that's going to teach you at that point is growth and learning when to say you at that point is growth. And learning when to say, yo, enough's enough for this shit. Wow. It took, yeah. Okay. The greatest story never told. I felt that way.

I felt that way. I felt to come into this, coming from my struggles, I was born with bronchitis. I wasn't even supposed to live. I was born at six months to having a mother that had me at 16. Then I was raised by my grandmother until she died. Then I was just outside. My mother was getting high.

Then I became a rapper and got money. Then everybody was just around me and flooding my air and telling me what's good for me, what's best for me. Then everybody was just around me and flooded my air and telling me what's good for me, what's best for me. I was just a follower. I went down a long road that I didn't have to go to trying to be something that I'm not. When I was in prison this last time,

I realized I'm not like that. As much as I would like to believe I go all the way to fuck out, I don't. I want a better life. I want to live good, I want to be happy. I don't want to live every day having to put a knife up my ass.

That's what it did. So that's what it did, it opened the gates. Damn, that was great shit. Hold on, hold on, I still got more notes. I got a lot of notes. I went in, nigga. Yo, but did you know This shit One more

Then we go on Disrespectfully speaking Good one Great one actually I would say This is the time You and Ray Kwan Is not seeing eye to eye

Yeah It's... I expected. I had big expectations, right? And in my mind, I thought that Ray Kwan and Wu-Tang should be doing

more for me, right? That's where I was at that. And I felt that I wasn't one that was like, again, because I had my different start. So I wasn't looking for a

handout. I was just saying, yo, look. Look what I do. I'm talented. I rap. I act. Why you not? What's up? Throw me the... I'm under the rim so if you stand in the rim for so long throw it and fucking throw it it's like yo what am I doing I'm gonna take the fucking ball and I'm gonna throw that shit because I'm wide open all the time so but it was I was still immature you know I'm saying and I didn't realize where he was at in his life as a man because now I'm at that place as a man, and I see it through

those eyes. So you think you ain't know how to express it? No, I expressed it well on my level because I don't say that I didn't feel that way because I felt how I felt. I'm not taking back how I felt at all. So it's a different place in your life. But how I handled it,

it was immature and very kiddy of me. You know what I'm saying? And after I thought about it, it was immature and very kiddy of me. You know what I'm saying? But, and after I thought about it, when you got that time and you think about it, all the good memories, I'm like, shit, I love this nigga. Like, I have great times, too. And then it's like, once I started to come into my own understanding, I owed him an apology. And I gave him a sincere apology because I understand where it was at because it's like yo what value was I bringing to him

it's like this I could say yo Norby I got your number you don't call me right and you could say well you don't call me either and so it's like yo I'm like yo you ain't throwing the ball to me it's like well what fucking ball you threw to me and then that's reality and it's like word I ain't never throw you niggas a ball

can you remember this? Please, please remember. But I swear to God, I had that same conversation with a dude from my hood. He hit me one day. He said, you don't call me when you're in the hood. And I said, but you don't call me when you know I'm in the hood. So who the fuck is wrong here?

Yeah, yeah, I swear to God, I had that same conversation. Please continue. So in life, you have to take responsibility for what you did. I'm not saying i wasn't hurt or offended by that action but i had to take responsibility for myself and through my own personal growth i was able to see where he stood in his life because that's how i

stood in my life like yo if we together then we brawling together we doing business and not only we doing business nigga when my kid has a birthday you know you there and you're not only we doing business, nigga, when my kid has a birthday, you know, you there, and you're not only just some party friend or some music family, you family family. So it just puts things, I was able to put things in its proper perspective. Like, even with my finances, I had to learn to do that. I make a dollar. I don't got a dollar.

A quarter's for this, a quarter's for that, a quarter's for this, a quarter's for that. And then I'm able to have a little balance. Same thing with relationships. This relationship may just be smoking blunts and getting drunk. Right. Or she may just be the chick I hang out with to go to parties, but she's not going to come up eight hours to the prison.

What was you stupid for thinking she was coming? She's at the next party, idiot. With the next news. Right, right. And that's reality for your ass when reality strikes. And you're sitting on that bunk with them next news. And that's reality for your ass when reality strikes. And you're sitting on that bump with them itchy blankets. God damn it.

Make some noise for that. So, Sha, this is a game we play with all of our guests. We know you're not drinking, so we're going to drink for you unless you want one of your homies to sit in for you. You know what I mean?

We're June. June's out. Come on, papa. You're drinking. June's out. Come on, papa. You're drinking. Let's see if you're going to hold it down for Newark, New Jersey. You motherfuckers

is playing dirty from the beginning. These are my people. They put... That's all right. Yeah, I like it. I like it. Come over here.

Let's see. You got to drink down to drink chance. Don't represent isometric concept and get drunk under the table, papa. All right, let's get

him a shot glass. Yeah, I'm ready. There's a second one right here. You want drink chance. Don't get drunk under the table, papa. All right, let's get him a shot glass. You ready? Yeah, I'm ready. You got, you got, there's a second one right, hold on, right here, look. Don't get, if you want a drink chance, don't get drunk under the table, let's go. You can get some water if you want.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'd definitely do that. All right, cool. Mr. V, pour him up. You gotta stand up, cause you, you know. Whatever he's gonna drink? Yeah, yeah, what you gonna drink? You wanna drink D'Ussé? You wanna drink, I'm drinking Ciroc.

Ciroc is right. Some Aquilada. You could drink my Mahuana, you could drink some want to drink, I'm drinking Ciroc. Summer Coulada. You could drink Mama Juana, you could drink some Colombian Whey. No, watermelon. You don't stop speaking Spanish now, you speak Spanish all the damn time. Now you talking about me, that means you talking about me,

because you don't know. You speak Spanish all the time, you're going to get here with Charles, stop speaking Spanish. You can speak Spanish, papa. You want some of that water? All right, cool. You going to fuck with Mama Juana? I respect that. Mama Juana, cool. You gonna fuck with Marijuana?

I respect that. Marijuana, bro. I'm not gonna follow you, but I'm gonna respect that. I'm gonna respect Marijuana. All right, cool. Quick time of slime. You answer. All right, you can say one or the other,

or you can say both. You can say both, your man drinks. It's nothing. You can say no answer, your man drinks. But we all drink. But we all drink, don't worry. We ain't just ab no answer, your man drinks. But we all drink. But we all drink. Don't worry. We ain't just abusing them.

Okay. I don't know which one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. I just, I don't know which one you're going to pick on this one. This is really some

inside Wu-Tang shit. I'm going to put this right here because you're going to have to pour up some. Or inspect the deck. As far as what? We don't know. It's whatever in your mind makes the decision.

And if you want to... See, I don't know. If you're saying it's as if they're MC or who I have a relationship with. If it goes to a relationship, who I'm going to call on my phone first, I'm going to call Inspector Deck first. That could be the deciding factor. Okay, and if it goes to the relationship, who I'm going to call on my phone first, I'm going to call Inspector Dex first. Okay, and if it goes to MCing...

Sounds like both to me, sir. Yeah, both. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Hold on, hold on. I'm enjoying you. Salud. Salud. This is good for you, man.

I want to say what it is, but I don't want my mans in there to be like, oh, freaky. I want to say this is organic food cake. But I don't want to be like it's thick and people take it the wrong way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't worry about it. It's the water. It's organic food cake, man. God damn it.

All right. I don't know where you're going with this one either. Mobb Deep or M.O.P.? M.O.P. Wow. Okay. You said M.O.P.? Yes.

Okay. Okay. O.D.B. A big pun. O.D.B.? I respect that. A big pun. ODB. I respect that. This is where it's going to get a little crazy. Puff Daddy or Shug?

You ever met Shug? I need to hear the story. Wait, let him answer first Alright answer first Damn Neither That's a shot sir That's a shot sir

That's a shot sir You knew the rules of the game Salud I respect that Let's hear the story Before we get to it Let's hear the story No no

The reason why I say neither Right because both of them Are real moguls right You got a Puff Daddy story too We'll take them both Right Let's hear the story Before we get to that Let's hear the story No no The reason why I say neither Right Because both of them Are real moguls right You got a Puff Daddy story too We'll take them both Right They're both big moguls right

At least when Shug was out He was a big mogul And for what I want to do In the business It's no room for me To be under a big mogul Because I want to be a big mogul Right

So it's nothing To either one of them brothers But I just want to be The competition But you met Shug You dealt with Shug. I didn't deal. I met him.

I was, I was, I met him in a crazy way, but I met him. We're for crazy. We're down for crazy. What's happening? I was out in California and, you know,

I'm running around the beach. I'm hollering at everything I can holler at. What stage of this in your career? We probably... Malibu, Venice Beach? Where we at?

Yeah, yeah. Malibu, that's where I used to hang out. Like, I was, when I was out there, Venice Beach, where we at? Yeah, yeah. Malibu. That's where I used to hang out. When I was out there, I hung out in Hollywood. I went to the hood sometimes, but I was a Hollywood kid. So I meets this female and we start hanging out.

So I'm like, ah, yo, I gotta go buy a studio with my boy DJ Quick. You know what I mean? So I go by to check Quick and the man at the studio. You knew who Quick was already, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How I met Quick is another story. It's just one of them things that God puts people in your life when they're supposed to be there. And I go to the studio and I'm with her and they're like,

you know who the fuck that is? She a baby mama? I don't know who, but it was over after that. I said, you got to go. You know what I'm saying? So I stopped talking to her.

And I guess her thing was like, oh, he's always messing up things for me, but it's not like that. And then when I met him, he was like, nah, it would have been all right, little man. And I was like, nah, it wouldn't have been all right because, you know, I didn't really want those type of problems. You know what I mean? I understand. I understand. Okay, we moving on. So what year was that? You didn't say that.

This was like 2000. Okay. This was like 2000 around. That's how we was doing one of the Wu-Tang Clan albums out there. One of them, they both, we wasn't, they was. I was just with them while they was recording. Okay, I know what you're going to go with this one. RZA or Dr. Dre?

RZA. Okay. I mean, but again, see, if I can have... See, again, what is it for? Because if it's an album, I need both of them. It's whatever criteria

is in your mind. I mean, you could explain, you don't have to explain it. No, because that's the craziness. I'm trying to figure out what you mean, because it's just so vast. It's meant for you

to be drinking. If you would be drinking, this game gets better. No, it's going to get better because I just need to know which avenue. You can say, as artists, both. Yeah, just say you're going to have a bud. Riz is my man, so Riz is my man.

It just helps me categorize the story. I don't want my words to be misconstrued. I choose Dr. Dre over the Riz and it's like, what are you talking about? The Riz is my big brother. I can never choose Dr. Dre over him. We're just going to drink for are you talking about? The RZA's my big brother. So I'm into it. I can never choose Dr. Dre over him. It's okay, you got to explain. We're just going to drink for you.

We're going to drink for you. Salud. But if I can have both of them produced for me, that would be a drink. Oh, that would be crazy. Salud. We taking a shot. So we're doing both, right, on that one?

Yep. Yeah, both. All right. Papa, what's up? Oh. You getting nervous? All right. This one.

It's getting warm over there. I should change it a little bit. Let's see if we can make him fall. I'm going to leave it. I'm going to leave it. I'm going to leave it. Method Man. Wait, what, what, what you left?

No, no, no. No, no, no, I was going to change it because of what? So Method Man or Jadakiss? Method Man. Okay. This one. This one. This one is a little tricky.

I like this one. I didn't like the one before that. Ray or Ghost? Ghost. Okay. I mean, one. I didn't like the one before that. Ray or Ghost? Ghost. Okay. I mean, that's not... Jesus. All right. I think we should both all get our shit ready.

DMX or Tupac? Both. There's no way. That's one I can't... You got X right there. We got DMX right there. Both of them on the wall. That's one I can't. You got X right there. Both of them. We got DMX right there. Both of them on the wall.

Oh, that's beautiful. Both of them were so light. They definitely was. You got to meet Pac? Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. I need to hear Pac's story. We got to hear the Pac's story.

Yeah, I never met Pac. You never heard it? No. I was 738, non-mag 10, my shit. Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the first time y'all. No, but that.

I thought it was going to be something before that. Oh, no, no, no. Okay, where was that freestyle at? Let's yeah, yeah. That's the first time y'all met? No, but that... I thought it was gonna be something before that. Oh, no, no, no. Okay, where was that freestyle at? Let's just be clear. Was that the Palladium? Oh, Palladium was nothing compared to where that was at. What was that? Where was that?

Oh, I gotta get on my phone. That was the Garden. That was nothing so it was at New York. Understand me. Make some noise for Sean Masterson. Understand me. What was that? That was the Garden.

Where was that? Madison Square the garden. Who was that? Madison Square Garden, New York. You took your shot already? Mr. C on the ones and twos. That's a classic hip-hop moment. Budweiser Superfest, understand me? You know what I'm saying? Mr. C recorded that, right?

Because I got the vinyl. It was Mr. C's vinyl that he put out. Yeah, you know what's crazy? I was just going through arguing. I actually had an argument because they was talking about it and I was in the comments I was like,

it's a freestyle and I'm arguing with people and they're like, no, it's a record. I'm like, no, it was a freestyle. And then he goes, oh, I made it a record.

So now I go, okay, since it's a record, who got my publishing now? Who took my phone as a flex? If it's a record, if that freestyle is now a record and it's a record, if that freestyle is now a record

and it's now streaming, it's now getting royalty, somebody got some money. That's true. Right. Is it streaming? I know it's on vinyl. If it was made

into a record, it's a release. Yes. I always was under the assumption that it was a freestyle because I came up under the time

when I was on Doo-Wop, Ron G. Okay, let me just describe to us what happened this night. Oh, the night I was on Tool because I came up under the time when I was on Doo-Wop, Ron G. Okay, maybe just describe to us what happened this night. Oh, the night I was on tour, I was young, I was on tour with Big Daddy Kane. Finger popping everything. Yeah.

So I... He said, yeah. One of the last spots we get to. Actually, how I actually get to the New York shit, I think we in Arizona. And Kane had to literally pick me up. It was the biggest arcade room in the world. It seemed like the world was video game heaven and I was in it. But we had a plane to catch.

And I was a kid. I did not want to leave. Literally. Kick in and I was like, I want to play games. I was that kid because it got to a time where I wanted just to be a kid. I didn't want to do no interviews. I didn't want to rap. I just wanted to play basketball and do what I ever did and then to

watch my friends. But then your friends is growing up, experiencing real life. They're going to proms. You can't go because I'm not even in regular school no more. Then they're getting married. I'm still in rapper life. And then next thing you know, You with a whole new crew That's not even

Your original crew Cause they grew up And had to go Down a road That they had to go In their life He kickin' science man He kickin' science

Kickin' science Yeah So And so That was We ended up in New York And We was doing

I was always a part of the tour Coming out around me But this show Since we was in New York He came Bring out Big Pac. So Pac was considered an East Coast guy at this time. Let's keep it real, Shaq. No, he was, no.

The Digital Underground guy? No, no, he was Digital Underground. I just want him to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, man. Come on. I'm a historian. He went too far.

He went too far. I mean, he's bi-coastal. He was born out there. Everybody knows what he's talking about. But he came out with digital underground. He came out of the Bay. At that time, he even rapped New York. He would rap both.

Yeah, that was, I guess he was New York. Right. How did you feel? About who, him? Like, yeah, you felt like he was a New York dude because he had the thing. I mean, I didn't really. He had the naughty by nature shit.

Yeah, but see, my thing is this. I'm funny when it comes to my New York dude because he had the thing. I mean, I didn't really... He had the naughty by nature shit. Yeah, but... The hat. See, my thing is this. I'm funny when it comes to my New York. Like, I'm really funny with it. And even, I'm from Staten Island, right?

Right. And we, like, as far as the New York thing, it's like, sometimes New York will throw Long Island in before us. Yeah, we talked about that. You talked about that.

And it's like, yo, we the fifth borough, right? So it's like, damn, you know what I mean? It just made it more harder for us to rep and we just wanted to be, like, we, like, you know what I mean It just made it more harder For us to rep And we just wanted to be Like

You know what I mean So you're saying You didn't claim Pac at the time It's not that I didn't claim him But it wasn't like y'all CNN right When I thought of y'all I thought of Queens

I identified with y'all as Queens Appreciate that I didn't identify with Nowhere else You know what I'm saying But did you hear Pac This ain't nothing like The old school

Yeah I heard that Like no one He broke down Skelly Yeah He broke down Italian Ices else. You know what I'm saying? But did you hear Pac? This ain't nothing like the old school. What can I say? He broke down Skelly. He broke down Italian Iceys. No one can break down a New York Summer unless you actually was in that New York Summer. No, you could have been in a New York Summer, but it's the difference from growing up in New York Summers. Yeah, that's why you gotta

listen to the record. You can tell he grew up with it. Well, what age did he, because I've read a lot of his biography. He was all over the record. You could tell he grew up with it. What age did he... I've read a lot of his biography. He was all over the place. That's what happened because he was dealing with rest of the soul. He was dealing with a mother that also was battling drug addiction. He

was like an army kid. He'd be in New York then he'd be in Michigan. He probably moved all the way around. He had pieces of everybody. That's what made him such a great artist because he was able to tap in to the South or to the West Coast and to that

and to be able to relate to those people. And was this your first time meeting Pac? Oh, was that? No, no, no. I met Pac the first time I met Pac

was through a guy by the name of Richie Rich from the 415. Yeah, Richie Rich. From Oakland. Yeah, that's the first person. That's the first person on the West Coast

I ever met. It felt like you was trying to school me just now. No,. Yeah, that's the first person on the West Coast I ever met. It felt like you was trying to school me just now. No, no, but that's the first... I mean, I don't know, but I'm just saying. You know what I mean? Richie Rich.

Shout out to Richie Rich. We know Richie Rich over here, nigga. Yeah, I was young when I met Richie Rich. Probably one of the first rappers I ever met on the West Coast

and everything. And right away, he schooled me. I'm a little nigga. I'm riding around Oakland with Richie Rich like that. He even gave me the 415. I got the 415 original varsity jacket, the green joint.

He gave that to me. I still got that. And that's how I met Pac and Digital Underground that way. And then it was just like full circle again through Kane. Wow. Wow. All right. And now Big.

You knew that was the first time meeting Big that night? Oh, no. Big was different. Meeting Big that night Oh no Big was Big was different You know what I mean Big was from New York So it was more People with people Cause like again

I knew Clark Kent I feel like you had A Brooklyn connection Yeah I always had Smooth the Hustler Trigger the Gamma Dior Period

You was smoking Liquid hash with Big No I wasn't even into Smoking Yeah like that Like that I was just I was a newbie at that time

Big had me smoking Liquid hash Yeah, yeah What? This was cool Liquid hash? When Big and them was around I was more like

Seizing them So me seizing All of them was more cool And hung and talked And Big was the big bro But let's keep it real I wasn't going to the club With them niggas

You know what I'm saying? Okay So we gonna move on Wait no we not moving on We haven't really discussed That whole scenario That's a No that whole show

Oh yeah the show That's legendary man That's a moment in hip hop Yeah yeah yeah Okay So you were there What happened How does that whole freestyle

Transpire During the show normally Cause I was on the tour We came It's a segment Where we would do The freestyle Boom But this particular show He had extra guests Normally Cause I was on the tour We came It's a segment Where we would do The freestyle Boom

But this particular show He had extra guests To come on as well So You know When he said We're building Fucking Biggie Smalls at

To see the guardian go You hear it From the audio This is where you This is where you are Schooling me Is partying Bullshit Out already

I think that's the only record out Yeah That's the only record out Yeah which is a hit Off of the soundtrack of Cause I'm in jail at this time Who's the man soundtrack Yeah

I'm in jail I think this is 94 We speaking about Yeah I'm in jail So I need you to describe for me Because

All I'm hearing is Partying Bullshit But I'm hearing it through A Poughkeepsie Yeah radio station Radio station need you to describe for me because all i'm hearing is partying bullshit but i'm hearing it through a poughkeepsie yeah radio station radio station how important was that record to new york city at the party and bullshit yeah because i it was it was in front of the underground he was a mixtape legend i'm gonna say this the only you schooling me the only other person and this is to me In New York history

To have pretty much a hit Before it was out And the first person that I ever looked at on that level Was Nas I had a Nas tape floating through my project Before it came out You know what I'm saying It was sort of the same with Big

Back then you would get tapes So I was already kind of like on to him And he was already big You know what I mean on that leveleps and it was like so i was already kind of like on to him and he was already big you know me on that level and then it was no brainer once party and bullshit came out because he was circling so he has party and bullshit out yeah yeah i think dreams was out too dream no no no no that was a mixtape joint that was circulating at that time yeah that's out not playing well that was a mixtape freestyle I think

That's what I'm saying He was already so heavy On the mixtapes It wasn't records It wasn't records That was his first record He was already a legend In the streets

Yeah He was Because at that time That's when Puff Puff came with that Puff's and Morgan and Jeans Back then when he started Promoting Craig Mack

And he had The big Mack The big and the Mack Yeah So Big Daddy Kane says I'm bringing out My homeboy He started promoting Craig Mack and him. He had McDonald's. The Big Mack. Yeah, the Big and the Mack. Yeah, but. So, Big Daddy Kane says, I'm bringing out my homeboy. Well, he don't say anything because Kane is Kane. He ain't got to explain shit to nobody.

It was just you there. And next thing I heard was, I knew they was there, but I didn't know he was going to have them around. But Scoop was scrapped there. Scoop was there. Because Scoop rapped on the beginning. Did they do the routine? No, he rapped. Yeah.

Scoop, check it. Check it. Oh, do the routine? No, he rapped. Yeah. Scoob, check it. Check it. Oh, that's right. Oh, fuck. Bang, biggie. Yeah, because Scoob was on the tour with us as well.

So, you see, Tupac and Biggie both rhyme. Yeah. You know this moment is legendary? No.

Dang. He's living in that moment. He's living in that moment. I love your honesty. He's living in that moment. I love your fucking honesty. How would he know? No, he didn't even be like, of course. No, I didn't know that.

You know, I see Socrates and Aristotle together. I'ma be real with you. The superstar to me was Kane. I was just so excited that I rode to the limo with Kane. I'm chilling out with Kane. I get to go over Kane's house and- It's after Kane finger popped Mandana. Let's just be clear.

Mandana? Oh, I wasn't there. Who's Mandana, bro? I wasn't there. I don't know. I don't know if he did. I always fuck with Kane with that. Because he'd be like, I ain't doing nothing.

I'd be like, you finger popped. He said, maybe. He said only on the weekend. He never said he smashed. He didn't smash. I was just excited. You ride in a limo with Kane. Let's be clear. The limo was like excited. So you ride in a limo with Kane.

Let's be clear, the limo is like a phantom back there. Yeah, it's just square. Yeah, like if you drop out the limo, you smashing everything. We didn't even jump out the limo because this is the first time I ever went into a stadium like that. The shit lifted up.

Right, you went into the garage. The elevator. Oh, the elevator. Not the garage joint. Did your garage get in? Did you get in the elevator? Yeah, the elevator. Not the garage joint. Did your garage get in? Did you get in the elevator? Yeah, I felt like I was playing basketball, like I was about to go out on the court.

Like you had headphones when you walk into the game. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's how they feel. Yeah, then you walk up a ramp. Then you walk up a ramp. And you walking up the ramp, you feel that. I'm starting five, and I was like, yeah. You had the original analogy.

Yeah, and to see 30, like, that many people. Can we get him a chair? And at this time. No, no, no, I'm sorry. We're trying to get you drunk. It's our tactics. And at this time, we didn't have social media. Yeah. So you was lucky if somebody had a disposable camera

or if a magazine happened to take a picture. Well, other than that, you didn't know. But for me, there was people from our projects there. So the next morning when I came out, and it was like he was at the garden because nobody would have believed me if I told him I was in school Before I had a record deal like I had a record deal, but I'm in school telling like yeah working on an album Yeah, we know you don't mean like I was a straight liar It wasn't till my song came out It was like he wasn't lying all this time

Because it was this so far-fetched for someone to have a record deal then. You had to know somebody to know somebody to know somebody. Right. You know what I mean? That's how the game was so controlled. You know what I mean?

That's why these guys... You all right? These guys, these young guys, they so fortunate that, you know, they can really... Make that shit from the...

From themselves. Yeah. One action, one night. Yeah. It wasn't like that for us. No, no. You had to pay dues. Yeah. In our... one night. Yeah. It wasn't like that for us. No, no. You had to pay dues. Yeah.

In our hours. Hold on. I still got more. I got to get back to it. How did you meet Kane? How did that connection happen? I met Kane, I was,

I think it was the Palladium. I was running around with Wu-Tang because, mind you, they came out before me because I had to go through the court system with my record deal

because I was a minor. So being that the things happened with Gary Coleman and all of them, you had to go to Supreme Court and stand in front

of a judge when he gives you permission and he signs you into these contracts. And full circle, yeah, full circle, the judge sentenced me on one of my criminal cases

as well in the same Supreme Court. The same judge? Yeah. So can you imagine that conversation that he had with me? That was touching. That's crazy. It makes you say, damn, I'm really fucking this up, right? Yeah.

So, yeah. Wow. And they had the show. So how you met? How you met? Yeah, I'm on the stage with him, and I'm just, and he tells his manager, yo, he wants to meet ODB and the girl on stage. That's what he tells his manager. His manager comes back.

Well, thinking that you're a girl. A girl. Comes back and says, well, okay, the ODB guy's here, but that's not a chick. That's a dude. His name is Shahan He's like That's working out here And that was it

And at that point He was like Yo give me your number Right Like yo you rap And I'm like Yeah He was like

I'm saying if you didn't rap Like you should rap Right I'm like Well he's like Yo take your number And then you know At that time

I was like the golden goose egg Hold on We'll do the business You miss a lot of opportunities Like that He put you and Jay-Z on That's what you're saying Well I didn't say

He put anybody on What I was saying is Was that when he Um Bring me to the Um You're good But good thing I ain't drunk

That would've worked If I wasn't drunk Because he didn't say that And I don't know why I'm thinking Did you say that But good thing I'm not drunk Yeah yeah

I'm not drunk Didn't say that It sounds real good though You sharp You sharp though. You sharp. I'm sorry. You sharp. Keep drinking. I'm about to show something.

I'm about to do something. I'm going to answer it. That's my guy. Damn. Where was we at? Kane. He brought you on stage. He brought you on stage, yep.

Okay, so. No, no. He asked for you and the ODB. Oh, ODB. So I'll go back, whatever. I'll try to get the contact with them. You know, dudes is the eldest. Yo, we handle it.

We make the contact. Whatever. A lot of other opportunities like that. I read in Jay-Z's book, he wanted me on his song. I never, he never called me. But he said he did. But I don't know. Remember that?

We're getting back to that. So then, one day I'm playing basketball in my projects, in the middle of my projects, because I thought I was going to the NBA. That's what I thought I was. No, no, I'm playing basketball In my projects In the middle of my projects Because I thought I was going to the NBA That's what I thought I was Still Nah nah I'm trash now

No I mean with a rap career Yeah yeah yeah I thought I was going to be I thought I was going to be A basketball player And they're telling me They're going boom Because that's my nickname

Boom right That's what my family Calls me boom Okay So like boom Running through projects Now imagine My projects is A long walkway to the basketball. Just yelling, yo.

And they're running. Big Daddy came to the zone, brought me. I'm like, what? Came to your home. Big Daddy. And I'm like, what? And now I'm running back. So I get to him.

He's like, what's up? I'm like, what's up? He's like, what you doing? I'm like, nothing. He's like, yo, you want to roll with me? I'm like, yeah. He's like, yo, you want to roll with me? I'm like, yeah. He's like, yo, tell your mother that you're going to roll with me. I run upstairs. I lived

on the A4 elevator, bro. Because back then, your key was on your chain. Your key changed. I put my key in there. Not home. Fuck it. I'm out. Jumped in the car. Boom. Gone. I was in Virginia somewhere. Everybody thought I was missing. I'm out Jumped in the car Boom gone I was in Virginia somewhere

Everybody thought I was missing I'm chilling I'm chilling Grown women Like Cain is the dude Grown women Is feeding me french fries And he was always calling me his son

Feed my son those french fries You know what I'm saying Like Hey call me his son. Yeah, yeah. Feed my son those sweet fries. Like, I was, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, it was cool to be me. You know what I'm saying? I ain't holding it.

You know what I'm saying? So, then I come back, right? I come back. He lets me out in front of the building. I'm hyped. I got, he gave me money. Bought me my first pair of silver boxes.

Ooh, this Prince of Darkness I'm talking about, right? Now, I'm hype. What I do, I run the Rizzo crib. I run the crib. Yo! Not with the silk boxes.

Everything's silk. I'm showing them all, nigga. I'm like, what's up with the king? He's a kid, sir. He's going to do all that. And they looking at me like, this nigga's trying

to make you a sellout. Yo, stop going around this nigga putting you in. This was, this was, yo, he's trying to make you smooth and box. Fuck going around This nigga put you in This was This was Yo he's trying to make you smooth And box Fuck that shit You don't wear no smooth boxers

Nigga you the fucking chef And now I'm confused Like I like the boxers I want to wear the boxers They feel smooth I'm wearing these shit You know what I'm saying Yeah

Yo that's a real That's a real shit But I was hyped Boxers you couldn't tell me I might have worn them for a few days because they were so smooth. They was different

than the BBD joints. You can jump in the shower and take them out and just go, and throw them on and they dry. You had BBD? I didn't have them,

but I used to steal them from my cousins. So they used to have them and I used to rock them. That's how I got, first time my cousin smacked me with a big fist. I wore his Adidas out,

his shell tools. I was probably a size four and his shit was like a nine. And I'm in a project with this shit. Shit like this, every time you go around. This nigga lost his, crazy. You got my sneakers on? That was a death sentence in the 80s. Yo, random thought, but you know how they thought he was a girl?

You know the kid in the Golden Child movie? That is a girl. It was a girl. That's a lot. I never a girl. That's a while. I never knew that. All right. We got to move on with Quick Time with Slime. It's not so quick.

It's not so quick. All right. B Street or Crush Groove? Crush Groove. Oh, okay. Crush Groove. You know why? For me, it was just the whole thing of like Run DMC and Curtis Blow

and Russell. It just showed that time and that grind. I felt like, yeah, I could be that too one day. Okay. The Knicks or the Nets? Knicks.

What, now or... I mean, I'm New York. Knicks. Everything New York but Knicks. I mean, even though sometimes it's hard New York But Knicks I mean even though Sometimes it's hard To be a Knick A Baca

Hard Sometimes It's always hard To be a Knicks fan But I did Big up to my man But hey I tell you one thing

We got one of the best Merchandise in the world Yeah I shit don't drop Yeah I shit Okay The box

Or video music box Video music box, hands down. Great answer. Ralph McDaniel, I need to give a shout out. Yeah, you got a big answer. We got a big Ralph McDaniel. Yeah, because the box was more like commercial. It's like kind of, if you made it to the box,

you kind of made it, kind of. Yeah, because the people were buying the beat. People were buying the slots in the box. Yeah. But Ralph, you had to be dope for Ralph. No, but Ralph was the originator. Ralph wasn't even playing your shit. I remember that time, too. Like, if you wasn't dope, you wasn't getting played Ralph Ralph wasn't even playing your shit I remember that time too

Like if you wasn't dope You wasn't getting played Now a nigga will play your shit Cause you might Slip it under the table Okay Biggie or Big L Your man right there

He can take a shot for you Well I'm gonna say it like this I'll pick both of them I'll pick both of them That's what we wanted you to pick I'll pick both of them Cause I love both of them Come on

Pick both of them You know But right now But we need picked both of them because I love both of them. Come on. I picked both of them. You know, but... Right now, now. You know, we need Big L stories. But I love Big L. No, yeah. We coming back because you got a joint with Big L. Yeah, I got a tattoo with Big L. Wow.

That's one of my favorite rappers, man. Okay, we're going to get through Quick Time with Slime and let's come back to Big L. Okay, sir. Remember that. And then we got Scarface or Ice Cube. Both of them was instrumental to me.

Yeah, we're taking shots. God damn it. Good shit. Who don't mind it's myself. You can't pick. That's hard. That's my Mahuana

cleansing myself right now. By the way, you got the ultimate Latino bracelet right there. Everybody's uncle got that same bracelet. And every Spanish family, they got that same bracelet. I'm telling you, that's the ultimate real Latino shit. Okay, what did I say? All right, boom.

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Primo. Podcast or radio? Podcast. This keeps coming up. Podcast or radio? Podcast This keeps coming out Don't like this no more Nas or Jay-Z? Who? Nas or Jay-Z?

Well I'm going to say this, right? I'm going to say I'm going to say No, no, I'm going to say this, right? I'm going to say, I'm going to say, no, no, I'm going to say this. Yeah, you're going to do that anyway, but how I'm going to say it is, how I'm going to say it is, both of them at different times. Yeah, that sounds like both. Yeah, that's both of them. Yeah, because when I listen to Nas, I'm in a certain vibe.

Like, Nas educates me. Like, he makes me smart. Like, he makes me smart. Like, he makes me look for books. Like, because I'm like, I don't know that. I don't know what that is, but that shit sound fly. I need to do some history to find out. And Jay-Z just makes me feel like, you know, I can take over the industry. Okay.

All right. This is clearly Dominican Republic and Colombia. This is Wu-Tang. This is a Wu-Tang inside answer. Fourth disciple or true master? Fourth disciple or true. Damn. That's crazy.

I got to see both of them. Here we go. Hey, man, it's the game we came to play, baby. It's the game we came to play. I'm taking the BBs. I don't give a fuck. Go on. No, you got to finish.

You got to finish it, man. You got to finish taking the BBs. Come on. Come on. Right. Damn. I'm going to stick. I'm not going to let my...

Now, you can get loose. No, no, I'm not going to let my pee-pees, because he already got a pee-pee. I'm going to stick with it. I'm going to stick with it. Okay, can I get up? Dale cabron. I'll tell you one thing.

You asked some questions that I wasn't expecting. This whole little game, this is fly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, bro. This is fly. Come on, bro. We here with you, baby. You asked some questions that I wasn't expecting. This whole little game, this is fly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, bro. This is fly. Come on, bro. We here with you, baby. Okay, hold on.

This one I don't know where you're going to go with. And I'm very curious. Red man or AZ? Damn, bro. It's like... AZ. That was real? I don't know.

This is crazy Juice or Menace to Society Now you gotta remember You from the east coast I'm from New York So I'm a major juice I mean I like Menace You know what I'm saying

But that wasn't really my culture It was more of an educational thing for me But for juice I felt like When I went in a bodega And he popped poppy I felt like that could've been me One day

Yeah I'm into that Let's make some noise with you. Into that. Alright. New Jersey Drive or Who's the Man? New Jersey Drive.

That's right. Definitely. Wasn't Who's the Man? Wasn't that like, wasn't Ed Lover and Dr. Dre? Oh, yeah. Wasn't they cops or something? Yeah, they were like cool cops, though. They was trying to make cops cool at the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was funny. Yeah. It was funny. Yeah, okay. All right, cool. All right. This, I really need to know this one.

Y'all, this is my Colombian I don't know why I got Colombians and Dominicans making this list this is they can be bought at any time

yeah they can be bought at any time at any time they can who's doing cocaine no no I'm just saying I said

Dominican and a Colombian is making the quick time of slime. They could be bored at any point. Oh, these guys? Yeah, they're good. Oh, yeah. You'll pay them off.

I really need an honest answer because we come from the true school, but we liked one of them. We both, come on, let's be clear. Hammer or vanilla ice? Damn, that's be clear. Hammer or Vanilla Ice? Damn, that's a first. Hammer. Hammer first?

Only if you know why Hammer first. Okay, okay. Because Hammer didn't get hung off a balcony. Hammer didn't get hung off a balcony. And Hammer was first. And Hammer's legit, he's a legend. And he took care of everybody. Hammer is a G, believe it or not.

And he held the people down. He's a G. And he took care of everybody with Hammer is a G, believe it or not. And he held the people down. He's a fucking G. And he took care of everybody with him. Hammer signed a death row. He's like, I'm in. Hammer ain't no son of a motherfucker. The Hammer's a G. He said, I ain't doing it with the other niggas.

Yeah, yeah, nah, but Hammer, yeah, definitely. I ain't going to lie, I did it before. You ain't never do it? Do what? Everybody did it. Can't touch this, all that dance. You did that shit. I did it.

I still do it now. What are you talking about? You got the shout right. Can't touch this. All that dance. You did that shit. I did it. I still do it now. What are you talking about? You be out the shower. I can't touch this. Ed Hammer from Oakland, too. Yeah. I heard he mad at MC Search. We need to get...

We need Hammer on here, man. I'm so sorry. We not conscious of everything that goes on here. Yeah, we are. But it's... Not really. Okay. Loyalty or respect?

Loyalty or respect Hmm Definitely respect Because with respect You get loyalty Now it matters why they respect you It's a different thing How will you respect it But loyalty I think changes with condition.

You know what I mean? Respect will always be somebody earning your respect. You can't really fuck that up unless you do some disrespect. So I go with respect. Okay. God damn it. Like, I go over fear, too. I go for fear over love.

Nah, don't fear. You go for fear over love? Yeah, I'd rather somebody fear. Really? Yeah, because people you love. Like you ever notice like your family right there gonna steal from you because you love them. But you won't try that shit with somebody that don't love them. So don't use the love card on me.

Fear is unpredictable, more than love. No, I don't fear anybody. What I'm saying is that if somebody fears me rather than love me, you'll cross somebody you love before you cross somebody you fear. I hear you, but I'm saying the person that fears you is unpredictable, because they're scared. Both are unpredictable. Yeah. I respect that. You know what I mean?

I've had the most people that did the hurtful shit to me was people I loved and loved me. Did you hear what Baby just said? True. Baby said, you gotta watch Envy, more than you watch hate, because Envy is here. Yeah. And hate is over here. The person next to you looking at you is a bastard.

What you mean you're big? Fuck all that shit, man. Fuck all that fear, hate, envy. Fuck all that shit. Get the fuck away from me, bro. Just live in the now. Yeah, man.

Fuck that, man. Nah, I mean, we trying to get deep, man. Come on, God damn it. Now fuck that shit, bro. Come on, God damn it. Let me take my shot. What, we taking it?

Oh, I thought it was weed. Oh. He was like you wanna just take it for shits and giggles fucker so

N2D N2D you did original N2D N2D what is this story they telling

you this story about cause from our research this story is actually about Queens dudes who went out of town. That's why they kept

using the God. And that was like... Yeah, but then they said it was about some people in Ohio or Cincinnati or some things like that. I don't know because I really wasn't...

You know, at that time, I didn't care what it was about. All was like, what's these lines and the check's there? All right, let's go. But it was a fun set, man.

It was a fun set, man. It was a fun set. The soundtrack was good. It was big because it was three people from my neighborhood actually in that same movie. You had me, Hassan, who played Wee Bay. Wee Bay. And you had Gandal Grills. He was also, we was all from the same neighborhood. So it was a big thing to have three of us from the same neighborhood in one movie alongside LL Cool J and Omar Epps

and Sticky Fingers and to be in the trailer just rapping with LL, Sticky and Omar Epps because Omar's nice too. And we was, that's just times you can't, people can't pay for that.

So was you mad when Kanye said we was in too deep like Makai fight? No, I said, what the hell is he talking about? That's not even a movie.

He wasn't even in in too deep. That's what I thought No, I said, what the hell is he talking about? That's not even a movie. He wasn't even in In Too Deep. That's what I thought, but then I was saying, well, maybe he's in too deep in something else. That's deeper than rap. I don't know, but I know it wasn't the movie.

What he was in too deep, I don't know. Those are drunk facts, man. But it wasn't the movie. I mean, no. That's what Kanye said, that's sober. I'm in too deep.

I'm trying to give him an out, bro. I mean, well, we don't know what he was meaning in too deep. He could have been in too deep in taxes. You can't know what Kanye's meaning at all. He could have been in too deep. You can't know what Kanye's meaning at all. Let's just be clear. We all rap.

Come on, come on. We rappers and DJs here. When you say I'm in too deep like Makai Fife. He might have meant something else, though. No, like he said, he might have meant something else. It wasn't the movie because we know that. We can scratch the movie out Like Makai Fife He might have meant Something else though No he Like he said He might have meant Something else

It wasn't the movie Cause we know that We can scratch the movie out Cause Makai Fife What was he What was he deep in Unless he thought He wasn't

Unless he thought Makai Fife Is Makai Fife then That's the only way He thought Makai Fife Was Omar Epps He thought Omar Epps Yeah yeah yeah

So that's why he used That's the That's the ghost writer shit right No what are you talking about I'm asking it might could be because if you don't know

somebody else somebody don't know I don't know if it's a writer or whoever it was but whoever don't know

if you wrote that line and you saw the movie there's no way you didn't see the movie if you thought the movie

wrote that line you didn't watch the movie he could have googled that shit and got it right when I heard

that I was like and I said it too and I was like, into the... And I said it, too. And I was like, who's wrong? Was he even... Or it might have been a spin. Maybe he's just that creative. He said, ooh, I'm going to say Macabre Pfeiffer.

He's good. Fuck him up to make them pay. Say, wait a minute. He's not Macabre Pfeiffer. Or maybe he said, in 10 years, Drink Chance will talk about this, and then I'm going to do what I'm going to do with it. Prophecy. I'm going to take a shot.

Just a quick shot. He tried to clean it up. He tried to clean it up very well. But wasn't John in the soundtrack for that movie? I was in the soundtrack. Capone or Diego? With the locks. With the knots?

Locks. You got to relax. Come on, let's take some more Mammawanna. June, you all right? June, I'm sorry, man. I think he's speaking a whole bunch of English. I said, June, when you get there, just speak Spanish. He can say, Nori.

June outside. He said, what's up? I said, just speak Spanish. He gets there, Nori. June outside. He said, I see you speak English now. You know Sean Beckos? Why are you trying to say that to him? Because he got freckles? Yeah, man. What the fuck?

That's not disrespectful. Why not? That's respectful. Sean Beckos and him, those are the freckle brothers. Y'all might be fucking family. You'll never know. Salud.

So, Shahid. Those are the Freckle brothers Y'all might be fucking Family You'll never know Salud So Shaheen We've been through it all What is the One thing That you regret In this In this life Or What's the one thing

You finish You wish you finished Either or Or was the one thing you finished, you wish you finished? Either or, you're good. The one thing that I really wish I could have changed is that I wish

I would have grew up in time to like get my mom the help she need and I could have saved my mom's life but I didn't know

to just take her and move her away. I was just that, just that immature. I should have just forced her in the woods and move her away. I was just that immature. I should have just forced her in the woods and forced her to get better. But I was just thinking, like, oh, she's going to do it anyway, so we might as well stay home.

That's why I never left. Because I always feared, like, damn, I move to another town. When you never left, you never, never left. I never left Staten Island. Really? Because I felt like if I took my mom, let's say I moved to Queens, right? And I'm living out there. Now, my mom has an addiction,

so now she's running around Queens, and now it becomes the talk of Queens that my mom is like that, at least at home. Hey, everybody knew that shit before I was even who I am.

It's not a big deal, so I stayed where I was comfortable at for all those reasons, but that's the same thing that kept her and myself in that pit. So I was like,

if I could change anything, I wish I was a little more mature in my decision-making and my thinking because I would have just removed myself from the environment. See, all along, I'm staying in the rat race. I'm getting involved in this stupid shit and banging and shooting all this dumb shit. When all I had to do, the simple thing to do was, you know, I'm just, whoop. Yeah, but you were a kid, man. You were a kid, and you know what I'm saying?

And you came into the industry young, so it kind of stunts your growth. But it was the best thing that happened to me. I wouldn't trade it, I wouldn't trade it. Because I know so much. It was pain that came with it, but the things that I learned from it is priceless. All right.

You gonna do another shot with you? Get him! Look, we finishing this Mama Wanda you Get him Look we finishing this Mama Juana bottle And I'm finishing this Asia Spade Cause you know what shot We don't know if you know Our show is about giving flowers

Yeah I got 12 gold ones Yeah Yo you know what This might be Yo you heard it This might be an NFT No no it's gonna be an NFT We gonna do

You can create that NFT for yourself But we gonna make NFTs of those, too. Well, can y'all sign it for me? Yeah, come on. So, Randy, sign with the drink champs. Nigga, you good. Nigga, you good. We ain't shortchanging you at all.

We just started this. No, no, I think he's the fourth. You're the fourth person to receive it. Oh, that's good. That's coaching. That's for the coaching. It's for the coaching. That's for the coaching.

That's for the coaching. That's for the culture. That's for the culture. That's for the culture. So, again, I just wanted to tell you to your face, man, how much we appreciate your contribution to hip-hop. That's what our show is about. Our show is about giving people flowers while they're alive.

We could have interviewed anybody, but we want to interview our legends. a lot. We could have interviewed anybody. But we want to interview our legends. We want to interview people who has been seasoned like us. People that's been around. And when we, I did speak to you

and I said, Sha, my only problem is you hitting me now that you thought that I said something wrong. But I said, shot, my only problem is you hitting me now that you thought that I said something wrong. But I said, I did 300 shows where I said something

beautiful about you and you hit me and you schooled me real quick. You said, but I was in jail. I didn't know. Yeah, I've never seen this shit

first time. They tell me, like, go on the line. It's on the internet and things come up. I said, what?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, what I'm trying to tell you is that's what our show is about. Our show has been, it will continue

and will always be about bigging up our legends. There's plenty of radio stations that people can go to when they got something going or whatever. But we want to interview the people

that's put in that work. That got them 10 years in, more than 10 years in. And I'm tired of people saying they're washed up or they're over the hill. There's no fucking word like that in any other genre, in any other music. So that's the reason why we started Dream Challenge.

It's because we want to give people their belts back. You know how, like, Ric Flair run his belt? Then, you know, Ric Flair might... That belt is yours forever. Yeah. That's peace. That's peace.

Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that, G. I appreciate it. Word up. That's real shit. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that, G. I appreciate it. Word up. Love. That's real shit. That's real shit. Yeah, like, you know, and that's the same way I felt. I was like, you know, if you go back, it was funny, too, right?

Just the way the world works. They was just asking me, what's, like, what was one of your top? I'm like, the war report. And then not as soon as this shit came out, mouth I said But it's the truth I can't Like you know what I mean Under no Under no circumstances Would

Which y'all did For my life See It's a difference Cause I I grew up in the era With y'all But to be a kid

A fan See I was a kid A fan too At the same time Being in this shit You know what I mean See I want to offer you Some champagne

But I feel like I just need to get you Fucked up Just being honest Nah leave him alone Let's give him another shot too at the same time being in this shit. You know what I mean? I want to offer you some champagne, but I feel like I just need to get you fucked up. Just being honest. Nah, leave him alone, man. Let's give him another shot. Give him another shot. He ain't speaking

no Spanish yet. He ain't say nothing yet. You got to think like I got like a fake Spanish guy with me. He brought his al-al, his local Latino. Let's do it.

Ain't no Spanish. You got to get the Portuguese that he talking about. I don't speak Spanish. Nah, Shaq came with a whole Latino crew. What he talking about?

Come on, let's do it, June. We're talking with you you talking about? I don't speak Spanish. Nah, Shaq came with a whole Latino crew. What are you talking about? Come on, let's do it, June. We're talking with you. Go ahead. I'm continuing, bro. Yeah, shit. I don't know what just happened. My mind just, my computer just been... That's cool.

Yeah, man. Nah, but it's peace, man. I'm glad we can sit here as grown-ups and work through something because that's a lot of the problems with people today. They don't just take the time to work it out and say, hey, yo, bro, this is how this made me feel. And a lot of times, it's like, yo, I didn't even mean to make you feel that way.

And it's like, oh, okay, all right, now it's peace. Now we have an understanding. You know what I mean? But it can go another way, too, that people don't take the time to do things the right way. And I commend y'all for doing things the right way and, you know, correcting whatever mistake, whatever we want to call it.

It's water under the bridge, you know what I'm saying? And that's why I thank y'all for getting on my podcast and just making it smooth and making everything right. Well, we fuck with you, brother. And we fuck with you before, we fuck with you now, and we're going to fuck with you after. And, you know, that's just what we are, man. You know, come on, God damn it.

I like your style. I like your style. One more. This is it. This is what I need. Because he's not dreaming. He want you to dream. I got to do it.

Stress one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got some stress. We got the rugged road to recovery, the podcast. Let's talk about the podcast. Yeah, let's yeah. Then we got some search. We got the Rugged Road to Recovery, the podcast. Let's talk about the podcast. Yeah, let's talk about the podcast. The podcast is, you know, dedicated in the memory of my mother. And I just wanted to create a platform.

What's your mom's name? Oh, my mother's name, Marilyn Franklin. You know. Okay, thank you, sir. Just because most of the times, people just don't have nowhere to go to talk to when they're in those breaking moments, or they just want people to listen to them. So I was like, yo, you know what would be dope?

The community, hip-hop, we got a bunch of things where rappers come up. You even got gangbangers, but a part of our community is the people that struggle with drug addiction and hustling drugs and things like that that made terrible mistakes, that's trying to correct their errors, a place for them to come get their strength and event, as well as celebrities that's in the same thing,

dealing with the same issues. And just a smooth spot just to have conversation. You know what I mean? And you take what you take from it, leave what else back on the table. You know what I mean? That's take what you take from it, leave what else back on the table. You know what I mean? That's beautiful. You got audio distribution yet? I just did it through on the line.

Like me, I just turned to a vigorous internet and just Googled everything. So I did it through one of those apps, through Spotify. The same way you pretty much do it through... TuneCore or something like that? Yeah, one of those. Like, you know, it's at that level right now.

But, you know, listen, bro, I'm here. I want to work. Movies, music, podcasts, whatever. You know what I mean? Come on. I'm back out here. What's up? What's up?

I'm going to use the bathroom now. Y'all niggas use the bathroom. But shit, hell yeah. I'll take Drink Shams distribution for a while. Yeah, come on, nigga. That's what you're here for, baby. Let's do it. Come on, let's sign a death row of records.

You heard me say that. Wait, wait, wait. That's what you're here for, baby. Let's do it. Come on, let's sign the death row records. You already signed. Wait, wait, wait. Can the card be in my name, though? Yeah, but listen. You already signed. I don't know if that paper... I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you.

I'm fucking with you. Go to the bathroom again? Yeah, you lose the bathroom like 15 times, man. What the fuck is wrong with her? See, you know what happened? If you'd have been on that bus coming down from Clinton and Shackle, nigga, you'd have had a hole in it. Yeah, you'd have had a hole bus coming down from Clinton and you're shackled, nigga, you better hold it.

Or it'll go down your leg, nigga. Exactly, exactly. All right, so I just want to take a shot with you again. Oh, my Jesus Christ. Let's do it. We can't do it without you. Hey, why don't we do something? How about double shot? Let's do something new. Yeah, all right, so I just want to take a shot with you again. Oh, my Jesus Christ. Let's do it. We can't do it without you. Hey, why don't we do something? How about double shot?

Let's do something new. All right, all right. Double shot with a double shot. All right, so let me ask you, Shaq. What's your most favorite part of the game? Yeah, yeah, we got that. Is it performing the record or making the record? Oh, yeah.

Well, you can't perform the record until you make it, right? So, I mean, I love making it, but ain't nothing like that crowd, man. That shit, it's just like, yeah, you feel me in that scream, and that shit is like, it's like dope.

Salud. So, let me ask you. Now, we need the Big L stories. Okay. That's what I, so relax for Salud. Yeah. So let me ask you. Now we need the Big L stories. Okay. That's what I, so relax for a second. Okay. Fall back.

You've been coming at me lately. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I relax. Okay. So me and Big L relationship,

it started, he was on Columbia and I was on Version. Right. And I used to go, when I was a kid, the thing that I used to do was go hang out at record labels and radio stations. I'd just be the kid showing up and they'd be like, oh, come sit in my office, chill at my desk. I did what I wanted to do everywhere, you know what I mean? So I used to go up to Columbia and there used to be a female by the name of Ty'Each Harris used to be there. So she used to let me come chill at her office and get on the computer and just learn

and listen and watch how the businesses ran. And L used to go up there too. And so we met and we got cool and then throughout the years he was just like, see back then you could meet a rapper and he give you your number and y'all actually keep in touch. See now it's the thing of

we got to exchange numbers 20 times before we actually call each other now. But back then it was like a beep beep beep beep. Yo, what's up G? And then call you back on a payphone what's up? And then when I started to go to Harlem more because of my drug and choice I started to be up there more. Yeah, and then I started to hang around 1-3-9th and Lenox, you know all that around that was parts of towns and That was death central? I didn't know that Yeah, I don't know about now,

but back then it was. Back then, huh? Back then it was. And, you know, I used to go up there and get my shit and they was there. Cam had a liquor store

right there too at the time. So I used to hang out over there and, you know, and then when I got my third deal through Wu-Tang Records and I was doing the Man Shout album,

I had full control over the budget. So then I was like, I want to work with who I want to work with. So I was like, L, I need you on this shit. I got the budget. Here's some bread. Produce, because he was making beats. Produce a joint and get on a joint.

And we was actually recording. We did Furious Anger, and we was recording the second record. And I was in Quad Studios. I'm there. And I'm like, L, he wasn't the type of person to bullshit you.

So he told me, yo, I'm near 8 o'clock. He might have been 8.30 but he wasn't showing up 10. You know what I'm saying? He kept his word so I'm sitting here

and it's 11 o'clock. It's late now. You know what I mean? I don't remember the exact hours but yeah, so I'm like, yo,

where the fuck is, so I'm calling around, calling around and then I said, okay, let me call somebody from like, like Laura Finesse and one of them and then he was like, yo, yo, it's cool. Yo where the fuck is So I'm calling around Calling around And then I said Okay let me call Somebody from Like like

Laura Finesse And one of them And then he was like Yo yo He just got shot He's he's I'm like what So I just

Jet it up Dead And it And I lost my friend That day You know what I'm saying And Wait wait wait

Tell him Tell him So the day he got shot He was supposed to Go to recording studio Yeah we was working On music And he was coming to do the other song

What? Damn And But you have another I have a song with him You see, what I would do is book the sessions out So I knew I was working with L So we were booked a couple days of the session To do the records with L

So we locked one in And we had the rest of the week to finish the other songs So then the process Of finishing the other songs This tragedy just happened During that time That's crazy You know what I mean So when it happened

It's just like Yo that shit fucked me up And You waiting on him Yeah And he knew something was wrong Cause you said Yeah cause he was never late

I didn't know that happened But I just knew like Something was wrong Cause he wouldn't play me Like you know what I'm saying He wasn't one of them Dudes to play me out Like that's like

To play me Yo I'm coming And you don't come Don't call No show It's like Nah he wouldn't play me. Like, you know what I'm saying? He wasn't one of them dudes to play me out. Like, that's like to play me. Yo, I'm coming and you don't come, don't call, no show. It's like, nah, he wasn't like that. So that shit was hurtful and that's why I got the tattoo.

I said, yo, no matter where I make it at. Well, that's that right there. I thought it was a blood sign. No, no, no, no. Why would you think that? I mean, it looked more like a C than a B.

I mean, I don't know. But it's a L. It's a calligraphy L. Yeah,. But it's a calligraphy L. It's a calligraphy L. It's a piece of big L, man. Yeah, but when I was in prison, it started things too because this is a set that I didn't know, 816 Crips. So they think I'm walking around with an 816 and a C.

I'm like, whoa, hold on. So I'm coming on the mess phone line. He said, you about that? I'm like, about what? He said, the tattoo. I said, oh, you like it? I'm like, big L. He like, 816 Crip. I'm like, man, I ain't know what you're talking about.

And I said, nah, this is for Big L. Jesus Christ. But I see how it looks, though. It couldn't look like that. Conor, you look at it. Yeah, it does look a little bit. I did not think it was a C. It's not a C. It's an L.

It's an L. You just said that. Damn, geez louise, Robert T. Are we focused in on this? Yeah, it's the Big L. Yeah, that's why I got it, because I just said, you know what? I just want to keep it around. I think G's the Weezwap of T's. Are we focused in on this? It's the big L. That's why I got it, because I just said, you know what? I just want to keep him around.

I think he's one of the best MCs ever, man. Yes. Yep. And there's not a lot of people that say they have a big L feature. And that ran with Tupac and Biggie. I think that's the reason why sometimes the door gets shut. What door? And door gets shut. What door? And what gets shut?

I think the door of this industry. You know this industry, pick who they want, pick who they can control, or like, okay, we can get away with it with this guy. This guy, he's a little bit, nah, we don't want to keep him over there. Don't invite him to this, you know what I mean? Because you stand on principles and morals,

so it's like you have to give up all that to be that. And for me, this is not worth it for me. You know what I mean? I'd stand on principles and morals, so it's like you have to give up all that to be that. And for me, it's just not worth it for me. You know what I mean? I'd rather stand tall and they can remember me for how I was than for me to be a sellout for a bag or anything like that. You giving this nigga beers? Yeah, he's a part of the table, man. He really said it. Take another shot.

No more shots, bro. No more shots. It's done. It's done. It's done. You want another shot? No. There's no more Moana. No more shots, bro. No more shots. It's done. It's done. It's done. You want another shot? No. There's no more Mo' Juana. We're not mixing shit.

We got, we got, we got some rock. This is something y'all. Give him some brown though, because wasn't he drinking? We got to get him throwing up tonight. You need to mix. You ain't going to get him throwing up. That's between y'all, man.

Give him that D'Ussé. Raheem, you want some D'Ussé? Yeah. D'Ussé for DJ Jerome. Come on. Let's get him drunk. We want him on the table. Come on, Jerome. Get some D'Ussé. want him on the table. Come on, come on, Jerome.

Get some D'Ussé. Put him on the table. Between y'all boys. This is what I would do to him, but, you know. Don't let you go down by yourself. We got Haitians. Just go ahead. Mr. Lee.

Thank you. We got ten more minutes. Please, thank you. Get the beer shot. Come on. Ten more minutes. There we are. Come on.

Yeah. We we are. Come on. Yeah. We know that. June. June. June is the man. How close are you, June? Yeah. And you got, you play handball for real.

Just keep it real. No, he got a glove. I play handball. Yeah, but you got a glove, though. I don't like the way you're trying to make that a joke. No, I'm saying, you got a glove? You play with a glove? I got gloves.

Come on. Come on, man. You don't need no glove you trying to make that a joke. Nah, I'm saying, you got a glove? You play with a glove? I got gloves! Nigga, I come outside with gloves! He's Puerto Rican, man! You don't need no glove, raw hand! Raw hand! I don't play none of that shit. Yo, do I come outside with my gloves? You a professional.

He's a professional, you a professional. Now, I mean, are you good to where you go to the floor and almost scrape your knee with mine? What do you mean? I got, not only, I got neat pads. Oh yeah, you professional. Yeah, I'm not in your league. I'm not in your league with your shit. I'm ready, I got, not only, I got neat pads. Oh, yeah, you professional. Yeah, I'm not in your league. I'm not in your league with the shit. I'm ready.

I'm ready. I don't need pads. You know, a couple things until my hands start burning. Yo, yo, Sean, let me just tell you something. We really appreciate you, not just on Drink Chance, but in hip-hop. Hold on, guys. Hold on, guys. Let me just say something.

Quiet. chance but in hip-hop hold on guys hold on guys let me just say something i actually when everything happened i can't say i was disappointed i guess just say i was like damn because me and you we always been great yeah that's what i was saying i said yo i've been a left rack before come on i said yo that's what it was the same way with me so i'm on the opposite side like your world but i knew you had to defend yourself but for future reference just so you know before. I said, yo, that's the same way with me, so I'm on the opposite side, like, yo, world, that's crazy. But I knew you had to defend yourself. But for future reference, just so you know, that's not what we're about.

What we're about is bigging up our culture. What we're about is uplifting our culture. And whether you're going to do a podcast or you're going to open a fish fry joint, I'm going to stand behind you. Because you know why? That's what the fuck we do over here in Drink Champs.

We here to support and lend a helping hand to our legends. It's peace. And I'm always standing for that. It's peace. So, I want you to know that. And I forgave everybody

who made the blogs and whatever. There's only one nigga I don't forgive. Who's that? The comedian nigga. He's funny, you said. I'm going to get him.

He's funny, though. I mean, he did a job. He was high. He was high. He was high. Come on, StarCult said that. I don get him. He's funny though. I mean, he did a job. He was high. He was high. He was high. He was high. He said that. Listen,

he did his job. The killer B, the B. I'm coming at you, comedian guy. Yo, yo, yo. Listen, comedian guy.

Yo, he coming for you. Yo, yo, yo. He coming for you, big baby. We out. We're looking for him. We think of him. Nah, but not for nothing

No, honestly, man I mean, during the time I ain't gonna lie I had a fucking ball You should've I had a ball I had a ball Because it was like

It was a learning experience Right? So the whole thing Where it was just like Because the young boys You gotta blame them, right? Because when they say Yo, OG, you gotta troll

I'm like, what's trolling? So they say You can take this And do this I said, I can do that? Yeah Oh, right here From my phone I said, oh, gee, you got a troll. I'm like, what's trolling? So they say, you can take this and do this. I said, I can do that? Yeah. Oh, right here from my phone? God bless you.

God bless you. You got it. You got it. You got it. You were supposed to. You were supposed to. Yeah. You were supposed to.

But it wasn't personal. I was defending. I was just, I felt like I had to defend. You were supposed to. I had to defend, right? Because, all right, since we here, right?

Yeah, we here. When the. I had to defend, right? Because, all right, since we here, right? Yeah, we here. When the statements were said or whatever, right? And it was said to groups. It was said to groups along with my name. But the difference between me and the other groups

that was said, I'm by myself. So it put that name and that word flunky and non-existent with my face. And not only that, my daughter's in college. This is number one, bro.

My kids got to live with that shit. Oh, that's your dad, that nigga? You know what I'm saying? So I was like, nah, I die before I do that shit. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I was defending, you know what I'm saying? Because it wasn't the first time that someone said that when the Klan was making a storm,

there was groups that they didn't want there. They didn't really want Killer, the other groups that was part of the affiliates, whatever you want to call us. They didn't want us, they just wanted the Klan. And rightfully so, because it's your show. I don't give a fuck. You can have whoever you want.

But judge my music, judge my career, and I got nothing to say. You can say it's the wackest shit. You can say I'm terrible on screen. Hey, do what you do. But a character flaw that is not me, I can't allow that. And when I walked the prison yard, dudes that got natural life took a pack of cigarettes from me, paid me back on time. Not because they were scared of me, but as a respect of how I carry myself. So that's what I was defending. And that's why I was so adamant

and so disappointed, not angry, because I was going to the penitentiary. I wasn't going to the penitentiary. That was out of it. Because I know. But there was a time in my life where the end result would have been the grave or the penitentiary because I would have been smoking that

dust and I would have been thinking, these niggas are big a plot. They're trying to kill me. They're Illuminati. I would have been bugging the fuck out. I wish I was Illuminati, nigga. I mean, you wish. But you know what I'm saying? That was my mentality.

You know what I'm saying? But I'm glad that everything worked out the way it worked out because it definitely was a blessing You know, I mean, I'm not gonna be an idiot like, you know, you're like yeah, I ain't fucking Blow the motherfucking off the back of this golden shining that I am On drink chance way before this This one change some shit and that's why I was like what fuck is this? Because I remember it was not too long ago, right after I did Vlad,

I got a message from one of the pages like, yo, pull up. And I said, word, here's my math. And then it was months, I didn't hear nothing. So you thought you was hating on Vlad. Let's keep it real. No, I didn't know why. No, actually, I thought she was hating on Joe Buttons. Okay, let's get to that.

Oh, my Jesus. We into that as well. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Let's talk about it Come on Because But this is what I thought So I don't know

It wasn't facts Nothing was facts It was just what I thought Right So I'm like damn He reached out And said come on the show Then I don't hear nothing

After I give my number Then months later It's like I'm a flunky What the fuck Oh shit By the way Let me just be clear with you No I know what happened.

You said what you said. And you said what you said about sons of men. That's fine. But I grew up my whole life calling myself a retard. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but it's the problem when you call another person a retard. Oh, my God. That's the problem on the bus. I had to be 31 years old.

Even if both of y'all retarded on the bus and you call me retarded, how you going to call me retarded and you retarded? That's a good analogy. I understood everything. But the moment you call me retarded. I'm like, how you going to call me retarded and you retarded? But the moment you call me retarded is my rule. I respect that. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? That's what I do. I deal with empathy. That's my main thing. I try to see things from not only my point of view, from other people's point of view. And I try to figure it out.

And what I figured out was EFN don't listen to you. Right. Because if EFN would have clearly heard you say flunking and non-resistance, he wouldn't have said Shaheen. But EFN was also listen to you. Because if EFN would have clearly heard you say flunking and non-resistance, he wouldn't have said Shaheen. But EFN was also on the back end story.

He came in saying killer army or killer bees. So he was just rambling every killer bee he thought he knew. But he didn't hear the words you said prior. And that was what it was. And I respect that. And I understand it. I understand how it happens all It happens all the time. But it happened.

My thing was like, the backseat. Who's responsible for letting this shit get released? Oh, yeah, they go right there. Because I know

we had to watch this shit. And somebody said, who? The Rugged Jail? Fuck that, the here jail. That nigga's washing drawers

with core craft right now. They're taking another 10. Yeah, I'm going to tell you. That nigga's washing drawers with core craft right now. Let's take him another 10. No, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. I'm sorry, because we're together. And we did have a meeting and say, I should have never. Because it wasn't

intentionally that way. What we was trying to say was, and if you really look at the whole footage, there's no one could be mad Because we said This dude Ran and ran up on him And he apologized to the whole

Such and such So that's what we was trying to say Okay right so at that point To everybody right Where did it become So we separated A flunky and a non-existence right and that's fine you can feel how you want to feel about about um the sons of man when you mentioned them right because i can't defend no i didn't mean that though but what i'm saying is let me just tell

you this i know i don't i still don't actually think flunky is a bad word. That's me. Yeah, but it's a bad word. You know why I killed me? Yo, when I was a little boy this bad. Yo, when I was a little kid, right, my grandmother used to tell me, in this world, there's a third side I don't want you to be. You don't be nobody's fucking flunky.

You don't be a thief. And you don't be a fucking liar. And also, you don't deny nobody a place to stay or something to eat. So those are the things that I live by. So when that was me, I'm like, my grandmother's in her grave, boy you better go in them projects and fight and come back with a busted head.

Now imagine my grandma. My grandma did not say, do not be a retard. What? What are you talking about? I was in the crew, Big Lip Da Bone, Chaz, Little Everlasting Sheldon And we all called ourselves

The Retards And you know what our shit was? We hanged out on Junction Boulevard And we all fought for the worm And it's a killer Okay, okay, okay So now So now And we all fought for the worm in the tequila. Okay, okay, okay. So now, so now, now I know what I'm dealing with.

I officially know what I'm dealing with. I officially know what I'm dealing with. So, words is semantics to me. Like, I don't dig into words. Now, if it's five or six words, now I identify with that. If I identify with calling you, y'all cool. Now I know I'm disrespecting. If I identify with calling you. Yeah, it's like one of the words that we,

sometimes we take words and we give it our own meaning to it, and sometimes it means something different, and it can be construed. It happens, brother. It happens. You know what I'm saying? And wholeheartedly. Real quick, real quick.

When we spoke immediately when everything started transpiring, he told me. He's like, I didn't say anything bad. I didn't know. He didn't understand. I'm like,

nah, bro, that's foul. He was saying that too because I learned something. You know what it is? I'm going to tell you what it is. Can you wait there for one? Let me just give this brother one. It was Cor Mega

who called me. Cor Mega said, we know you love him. Shout out to Cor Mega, bro. Then I said, Cor Mega, what? Because I didn't know what he was talking about. There's no way I said that. He said the names. I said, I didn't say that shit. What are you talking about?

It's the first time me and Cole Mega raised our voice to each other. He said something, I was like, what? And Mega said, chill, I'm going to send you the clip. And I didn't even know. Yeah. All right, continue. What did you want me to say? Oh, shit.

Damn, you're good at what you do. Yeah, I'm trying, man. I'm trying, man. I'm trying. Fuck, what are we talking about? Yeah, because. Oh, because he, with the words, right? Because I spend a good, decent time with June,

and he has that same problem. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? But I didn't realize that after me and you spoke that time for the first time, right, and we was building, and I was explaining to you Where I seen Where the force was Or whatever And you was like

Oh shit I didn't see it that way And then it was like Okay Then I wholeheartedly Like I told you Once we had understanding And you seen

Where I came from That's all I needed Even like I told you before When we spoke off camera I said we don't even Gotta visit this shit On here Because all I wanted

As a man To know Where I stand as a man And look in your eyes How I felt That don't even got to visit this shit on here because all I wanted as man to know where I stand as a man and look in your eyes of how I felt, that don't change how I felt. And how we can move forward don't change because now, like, I know y'all more now because we went through something. So you got to go through love, hell, and right. You're supposed to have been used drink chance earlier. I ain't gonna lie. I told him, yo, listen, this is your platform.

Just in case you don't know it, let me say it again. We iterated face-to-face, eye-to-eye. We can promote that you got pink toenails tomorrow. I got the Rugged Road to Recovery.

The Rolling Road to Recovery. I got isometricconcepts.com. You can stream my music. Because now they sent, Jack Thriller said that y'all XL XL You got the right size

So that's the podcast So this is the podcast Tell us about the podcast Oh the podcast is about About recovery All types of recovery Substance abuse recovery Career recovery

Which we are on the We are on the podcast Just all type of Mental health recovery Just If you broke your leg And they putting you on P, and that's what happens. They take away the pills.

The next thing you know, you're looking for the fix, and now you're a stone cold dope head. You know what I mean? So it's just about just getting a community to share information and say, hold on, just so you can get a little help. And maybe if you are at the point in In overtime Let's slow it down a little One step at a time Just to a smooth level And that's it And as long as I do that

I feel like my job Is done on that As far as the music I got isometric concepts Where I stream my music It's your own platform Yeah, yeah, yeah It's all a website

Yeah, that's what I heard You had to do Create your own website And tell them to come here And stream your own music So that's what I heard you had to do, create your own website and tell them to come here. I'm taking a shot to be a man for that. And stream your own music. So that's what I do, IsoMetric Concepts. And I have a joint.

I actually have a record out right now called Mercy Made Me. It's Rockness is on the hook. And I got a brother by the name of RJ Payne on it. And I guess Mickey Fax is on it. Oh, yeah. That's right, we saw him. Yeah, he came and did a record And he did a joint with

Pitty Crack and Dutch Pitty Crack and Dutch I got a joint with them Shout out to them Me and Ghost got a record Coming out too Yo what's up I would love for you

To get on a joint Can we get the N-O-R-E Back in some Come on man I'm saying we can call it Hey that's the song We gonna make it We gonna

Let's check it out The Shorts Flunky The song Shaheem and Noriega flunky Jaru send me some shit yesterday. I was so mad cuz I was like damn. I don't want to write like No, no, I don't want to write. Just talk. No, no, I'm going to write.

Just talk. I'll get my shit back, Shaheen. No, your shit ain't going to last. You was always... Oh, you're damn right. I feel like you're taking a shot with us. All right, cool. All right. Cheese Louise, Papa Cheese.

What's going down? That's what I think. This shit is mad. It's good, but it stinks, so I got to take more. You don't want no smoke with nobody on Versus, though. Let's keep it real. What would be a Versus with you? The only person I could do a Versus with is myself.

A.K.A. the Rugged Child, Lost Generation versus Man Child. And Little Vicious? He's reggae. This is it. But you know what? I bet y'all would come out. I bet y'all would come out together, though. Yeah, that's my man.

Little Vicious. But that's not the same thing, bro. It's not hip-hop. I mean, honestly's my best one. Yeah, yeah. Look who fishes. Look who fishes. But that's not the same thing, bro. No, it's not. I mean, honestly, the only person I honestly really, really, I think would it be fun probably because he's probably been around. It has to be somebody that's been around. No, that's not going to make sense. I have an extensive record.

You know what I'm saying? I have albums. I have features. So it has to be somebody that has that type of body Of work Maybe somebody like Bleak I mean, I could see that I'm not calling out anybody I'm saying you said

No, because that would be saying our old records If I was calling them out, I'd say spit some new shit And we go right now So that's something different, going right now But anybody In my category I ain't jumping out the window. I ain't saying I want to go against Kane. I feel like you touched that Memphis Bleak.

I said his name. I feel like he's the only one that could probably get in the ring with me. You got to think, a.k.a. the Rugged Child. On and on. Shit is real. Man Child Furious Anger Cold Defendants

Show and Prove Jay-Z Big Daddy Kane Little Vicious If You Want To Party Emmett Shores It's a lot of records I've done

702 that got Forgotten about maybe But when you hear Them motherfuckers It's like it's 1994 again That's what the verse is for And I don't think that anybody

besides myself. I don't know if I can say he wanted or not. I think he's dope. I didn't call the brother out. No, it wasn't you. It was him. You called him out. You want to smoke with me? He's your pseudo-manager

right now. But honestly, smoke with him? I mean, he's your studio manager right now. No, I don't want to smoke with him. You know, but honestly, right, other than him, let's break it down, right? If you go with Chris Cross, absolutely not. If you go with Bow Wow, absolutely not. You would battle Chris Cross? They can't. I'll smoke with him.

Hold on, chill, chill. Time out, time out. It's only one left, and I'll smoke. Chill, chill, chill, time out. How about Bow Wow? Shaw, you're going too fast. He already went with Soulja Boy. All right, time out. He did it already? Yeah, he did it with Soulja Boy He did it already?

Bro we talking hip hop Are we talking hip hop or we talking rap? I'm just saying Don't put me against a hip hopper You're saying criss cross No but criss cross is one pass away We can't do that You can't do it

I mean after jump what you got? Fuck I went too far After that what you got? Fuck, I went too far. After that, what you going to do? Let's think about this. Can't do a little bit because he's Jamaican. Reggae. That's reggae, bro. Relax, man.

Reggae and hip-hop. No, man, no. That's called Sound Clash. That's fine. That's fine, but it's called Sound Clash. Okay, so they'll do a Sound Clash, not a Versus. The other artists that could possibly I'm thinking from that time

That would have that much Credits to their name You know what I mean Don't count the songs That if we wrote for people That if you can do those too Cause you know my ghost writing Says we didn't even talk about that

But you got ghost writing stories And you ain't telling us Yeah I wrote Raven-Symoné album What Come on man Where are we going wrong here right Read the on, man. Me and Missy Elliott. Where are we going wrong here? Read the credits.

With Missy Elliott? Yeah, Missy Elliott and me was the writers for Raven-Symoné from the Convy show. We're about to end the show and you're not going to talk about this? I mean, it is what it is. The first day of school, Raven's the favorite. Check the credits. Shine your frame. Who said only they can come back to you?

It would have to be somebody that's been around for a while that has several albums. And the only reason I say somebody to the caliber of Bleak is because he has big records with Jay-Z. But if he ticks them records away and it's just me and his records, I don't think anybody could. I like it. I mean, and it's not a shot

because this is stuff that's done already. So I'm not saying a DJ could do that and put them together And play it out But it's also the type of MC I'm a different type of MC Than a lot of these dudes They don't share the pain I share

They can't relate to what I'm talking about Like they don't know Like nigga I had to lift my balls And scratch my joint and cough Like you don't know what it's like To take a fucking piece of meat And bread and wrap it in plastic And put it on a stock And tie it to a fucking heater to eat you can't fuck with me you were niggas living

in fake land not him particularly but that's just how i feel as an artist as an mc but that's the old catalog versus then you got this new world war shit that a nigga just got smoked overnight and if nigga want to talk about rap for today i I'll smoke them there too. So, I mean, I ain't turning down no collars if nigga want to smoke. I'm going to bring it. But just know what you're getting into. I've been around a long time. Goddamn. And I learned from the best.

I learned from the best. I mean, come on. You're going with Kane, bro. Whether it was the whole clan getting jewels from them, whether it was getting jewels from Kane, whether it was getting jewels from Fred Williamson, whether it was LL. It's like my arsenal Of the people That I talk to And that gave me

The tools to know And think who I am And move how I move It ain't nobody That has that If they do Like bring them out But you don't want

It with Lil Vicious I can't What the fuck Is wrong with you Alright We only But then We only got

Our one song together What do you What do you With Lil Vicious, man? Wait, let me ask you this. What about Little... Is this straight hip-hop or is this Legends? Because I've never seen a reggae. You got reggae?

See, I got to get my dream champ. No, there's reggae class, but not all. No, I mean on dream champs. Is this straight hip-hop? No, no, we want... I want Supercat on here ASAP. This might be some different shit right now. Yeah, with some Vicious.

No, we need Little Vicious on here, too. That's my man. That's my man. That's my man. We need a little Vicious. That would be dope. We talked about it with Red Alert. We had Red Alert last week, and we talked about a little Vicious, yeah. Yeah, that's my boy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. God damn it, man. But I can't do it versus. But even Vicious, that's my boy, but you don't got enough albums to fuck with me. And that's reggae. Right. You know what I mean? I got A.K.A.

The Rugged Child, Lost Generation, Man Shout, Greatest Show in the World. This is it. I doubt it. Lil Xan. Look. Come on, man. I'm out of here, bro. Come on, Normie.

That's like coloring book rap. You want me to battle niggas that's like coloring. Like I want to be somebody that's getting busy. Like I rap with Big L. I rap with Big L and Hellmines. None of them niggas could do that. That's real true. None of them niggas.

And I don't want to, I'm not, see, I don't want to do like I'm taking shots, but I'm just saying, we go with facts. It's not personal. Someone said Keith Murray. They're over here somewhere. It's not enough. He can't compete with my catalog. Keith Murray?

Come on, Keith Murray could do it. Keith Murray just had it with Fresno. Absolutely not. That wasn't music, though. That was bars. Albums. But let's go out. I got five albums plus mixtapes. And features. I got five. All

charted except for my independent when I started my independent albums. That was the greatest story never told. When I started my own independent label in 2003, I started this path. So I've been trying to get my websites and stuff since 2003.

I had Bottom Up, The Movement. I had songs like The Dust Juice. I had Bon and Mama Killed The Man. So that's a whole underground category.

That's just something to not even touch. Songs, it's like, if we do it that way, because there's certain ways you do it. They say you pick 20 songs, you go for 20 songs.

What? I got 40 songs That I can put So I can go twice Twice That's why I said The only person I would do a versus with Is myself Rugged child versus man child

You like But I don't got those type of numbers Like let's be for real You know what I'm saying For a business like them They want 500 million So it's not about emceeing It's about

You know what I'm saying It could be it could be. It just has to be the right pair up. Yeah. Because right now, look, they got who? Kane and Karras. That's amazing. That's hard. That's amazing. And that helps to answer for all of us here.

Absolutely. Let's wrap it up. Yo, Cheyenne. Yes, sir. Before we go, we're going to take another shot. Yes, sir. Let's go, DJ June. You got to take another shot, brother. Come on,

make Redman proud. Yeah, because he DJs for Red, too. That's the Redman. Make Red proud. Our show was about giving people their fucking flowers.

You got gold fucking flowers. Mm-hmm. Oh, this shit is so beautiful. Yeah, man. We fuck with you. Please. It's like, it's bad so beautiful. Yeah, man. We fuck with you. Please. It's like, it's bad. I want to,

I ain't even giving it to nobody. You shouldn't. Because, you know, you got to. You don't give it to everybody. We're just starting this. Yeah, but things like this is like your kids

stick you up for it. You're in the top five of who we gave this to. That's fire. That's real shit. That's fire, G. That's fire. I can't take a shot.

I mean, yeah, it's dope. It's dope. That's big shit. It's desirable. Is. I mean, yeah, it's dope. It's dope. That's big shit. It's deservable. Isometric. This is very isometric right there. The fuck did I just say? Deservable?

Yeah. I like that word. I'll take it. Deservable. It's deservable. I fuck with that word. That's gross. You can make that.

We fuck with you, bro. That's a good word. We ain't never. I fuck with deservable. Yo, right now, first time, Drink Champ's dictionary. You started for all the words you're making up. The Drink Champ dictionary. I'm in on desirable.

I like that. Desirable. With all the slangs and everything, and you give the meanings to the words you got. Desirable, motherfucker. Let's go. Drink Champ dictionary. It's been real iso-meshing concepts.

Yeah, but see Since this is a new Modern day Video music I gotta give some Shout outs First and foremost Yo

Follow me on Instagram Shaheem underscore Rugged Iso360.org This is your platform And I want you To know that

I want you to look At me in your eyes And know it was accepted prior to the dumb shit. That's not what we... We was actually bigging y'all up. We was like...

Now, I get it from that point, but sometimes when you see things and it could be in one word, everything else disappears. Yeah. So now it makes sense when you watch this shit. Oh, he was saying like,

yo, it was actually a diss to them. Like, damn, he had to even apologize to the fucking, the air. I get it. But I was just like,

I'm like, I didn't get apologized to. So I said, I ain't even get an apology for none of this shit. How am I in it? Right. But you are extinct

and the reason for it is because you're a legend. Okay. How am I in it? Right. But you are extinct and the reason for it is because you're a legend. Okay. And the thing about it is Legends is extinct. Our platform is for legends. That's peace. We are not for,

you know what I'm saying, the god bodies that come to Muslim Mecca number seven for the first two days. We are for the people Because the gods was calling me like, that's the god too.

We're here for the people that's been here called ministers. That's what we here for. That's peace. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't never say I'm not God body, not once. I elevated the same way everyone elevated. That's why my first question to you was

they turn hoodlum and when they go upstate, elevated the same way everyone elevated. That's why my first question to you was, they turn hoodlum. And when they go upstate, they turn blood or Muslim. It's because my knowledge of self has stayed the same. That's peace. And I will never change it. I'm sorry, Rock.

I sound like Elijah right now. I sound like Elijah right now. Because you know, you get pricked. We saw it happen. We saw it happen. 360 in the yard. I was like, oh my God, how you see it? Yeah, I know, I sound like Elijah right now. I sound like Elijah right now. Because you know you get pricked. We saw it happen. We saw it happen. 360 in the yard. We're like, oh, my God, how you see it?

Yeah, I know, I know. But no, real talk, Sha. That's why I fell back. I stood back. Because I'm confident in who I am as a man. Likewise. And I want you to know that this is your platform. Anytime you ever feel offended by this platform or whatever,

you call this platform. No, no, no. We here. We here. You under the Muslim mosque number seven right now. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm under the nation of God's and ours. Exactly.

Right here. And just for future reference, if you ever feel offended, anything, no. I'm on the nation of God's and hers. Exactly. Right here. And just for future reference, if you ever feel offended, anything, holler at us. I'm going to call you now. Yeah. I'm going to call you.

It's different because we have an understanding now. But we've been had an understanding because, no, no, no, no. Listen, God bless me for saying this. I could be mad. I could be... But you know me and you, we've been always this way.

Yeah. Always since you, when you said every time, I was a part of that. Yeah. Seeing you and saying, yo, what's up? Yeah, yeah. I wanted you to prosper, I wanted you, and that would never change.

So I just wanted you to know that. I appreciate you. Face to face. I respect you and I accept you. I accept you, that's real nigga shit, always nigga, and that's how I just wanted you to know that. It's peace, G. You know, face to face. I accept it. That's real nigga shit. Always, nigga. And that's how I stand. You know what I'm saying?

We're not exempt. We move through it. We got to understand it. It's a beautiful relationship. Now look what happened. Out of some couple of words that got took in the wrong way, now we here.

We building like men. And it's infinite opportunities for everybody right here. I mean, I'm happy. Thank you. Right on. Here we go. Let's do it. Take a picture. I mean, I'm happy. Thank you. Right on. Here we go. Let's do it.

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