Drink Champs - Episode 286 w/ Ye

Episode Date: November 5, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with Ye, the artist formerly known as Kanye West! One of music’s most iconic artists, Ye sits down with the champs to tell some stories and shares some laughs.Ye talks about his evolution from “The College Dropout” to becoming a Billionaire. Ye shares stories of American history… that he’s created himself!Ye talks about his Yeezy brand, GAP, Adidas and more. Ye also talks about his political views, cancel culture and so much more!Make some noise!!!💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up? It's DJ E-F-N be This is your boy N.O.R.E What up, it's DJ EFN This is Drink Champs Yappy Hour Make some noise When me and EFN started this show We always looked at rappers Or we always looked at certain people As superheroes or supermen. This guy that's standing to the left of me is not only a superhero, a superman, a super genius,

a super music icon, but he's also a fashion icon. He's also a visionary. He's also a person who speaks things into existence. I remember he said, you don't know how, Sway? And we figured out he didn't know how, Sway. In case you don't know who we're talking about, because we're talking about, this is going to be Drink Champ's biggest episode ever. I'm just going to go ahead and say that sorry to anybody else who's ever been on this table in this place. This is going to be Drink Champ's biggest episode ever. I'm just going to go ahead and say that. Sorry to anybody else who's ever been on this table in this place. This is going to be the biggest. In case you don't know who the fuck we're talking about. We're talking about the artist formerly known as Kanye.

And he's just now. Yeah. God damn it. So let me get this right. You ain't got a last name or a first name, you just got a name. Right. I don't even know what to say.

That shit is hard. Just yeah. Yo, yo, yeah. I thank you so much, man, because on the real to real, I know you don't have to do this. You at a level in your life where it seems like you're free.

It seems like you just feel like you're free. You really showed up with no security and I had to get security for you. I'm sorry. I just said, no, I just can't let you walk around like that because we're going to kill somebody if somebody fucks with you. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm so sorry. We left that. But

how is it? What's going on in your life? It's just... I heard you told me on the phone the other day, you said, you don't even, you're not even, you don't even have a house. That's how rich you are. You don't even have a house. You're a nomad right now? How is that? Yeah, you know, I restore houses. I'm very into architecture, but I'm not into the class system.

That's one of the main things they use to control us. I think my whole existence is about not being out of control, but being out of their control, being in control of yourself. So a house is the first thing that they give you, that's your entire existence. I look out at the skyscrapers in New York. I'm like, everybody that's in all those buildings spending that time away from their family working. One of the main thing, the main thing is the idea of a house. Security. Yeah, security. Because I remember saying, saying I was arguing with this one publicist and I told the person that I wasn't going to have a house. And they spazzed on me, said, you've done too much in your

life to not have a house. You need a house. So try to impose that idea. My home is just when my daughter FaceTimes me. That's where my home is. Let's make some noise for that guy.

But you got land. I'm assuming you have land, though. You believe you have land. You got 200 acres somewhere. Yeah. And you were staying in a Mercedes. 12,000, but yeah. Okay. But you were staying in the Mercedes-Benz Arena?

Yeah. What was you doing there? It didn't look like a cell. It looked like a jail cell. I'm going to throw it out there. Yeah, well, except for I could come and go, so. That's a big difference there. That's a difference.

But yeah, you know, it's this idea, this monk lifestyle. I heard that it's like trust fund kids that's kind of on the same wave right now. That they being homeless

on purpose. But I traveled to to Paris like a couple weeks ago and I had to go through Lisbon because you can go through Lisbon

without being vaccinated. I only got one of the shots so I'm half-sonated. So I come to, I dropped in Lisbon. It's a 15-hour ride and usually people say, well, I had to,

I got to take this 15-hour ride. Something Steven Spielberg had told me at this Ralph Lauren. I'm just having a shameless name drop. There's going to be like a lot of name drops. Okay, I love it. I 15-hour ride. Something Steven Spielberg had told me at this Ralph Lauren. I'm just having shameless names. It's going to be like a lot of name drops.

I love it. I love it. Continue. So I was sitting next to Oprah at this Ralph Lauren dinner talking to Steven Spielberg. Continue. Across from Hillary Clinton. This is the first time I actually was with her so

the and so I took this 15 hour ride from Lisbon to Paris but the thought was I get to take the ride the ride was beautiful so it's just a perspective on life like when I go through just the different changes in my life, in my family,

a friend of mine said, are you sad? And when I really thought about it, I started to look at life like it was a video game. I'm like, every part of it is really lit. The things that hurt you, the things that you're happy about, the things that push your ego,

that support your ego the things that that down your ego like i've been saying this like a couple uh for a couple weeks like ego and anger love to hang out they best friends oh absolutely ego and anger oh shit i didn't know that they hype each other up yeah yeah definitely yeah so the cousins yeah they definitely okay they definitely they definitely blood so the more and more you know you lean into your ego you know I wrote this song for Donda that you know we're going to bring out on a bonus album that's

on a deluxe but it said if I let go if I let go let God and let go I gotta let it go I gotta let's go and it's why he's got this line that makes you think about Miami. He said, fly into the Mondrian, Drian.

Actually, it had a next line, but I like the opening line. But it's like going to Paris, I get there and I get to the Ritz Hotel and they say they ain't got no rooms. And, you know, there's a couple times I just had to, like, pull up my mask.

I'm like, you don't have no room? And I put it on the, okay, let me look for a room for you. That's a different kind of currency. Yeah, the vision of life is not to have money and possessions. It's to have relationships and make it to the point where I've done so much for so many people that my money can't spend anywhere. I go to a restaurant, they'd be like, yo, your money's no good here. So they started charging for the room. But they gave you a room.

At least they found one. Yeah, they found a room. And then the next day, the CEO of Balenciaga came to pick me up. This guy named Cedric that actually I was trying to hire as a CEO my boy Jean Tuto to head APC, which is basically the French version of Gap, which is the first person that was in a prestigious position to really

let me do a collaboration with them. We had this APC collection that sold out back in the day. And this was before the Louis collab? Yeah. You know what? the Louis collab? Yeah. You know what? The Louis collab was first. That's right.

Yeah, thank you. I'm a fan. Just in case you don't know. The Louis collab was great. I want to go back to certain things with the Louis thing. Okay. But so the CEO of Balenciaga picked me up. Now, I came with, all I got is this little bag. That's like my house.

And my house changes in size depending on how big my bag is. I had this one that was like a laminate size. And once I got the Apple headphones, it wouldn't fit in it. So I had to get a bigger house, which ended up being... Talk about a mobile home. Yeah, a mobile home. Which ended up being this one. And I'm so happy that thugs wear this bag now.

Yeah, man person. Stop calling it man person. Yeah. So people can stop down and meet. They can do weed in there. They can do weed in there. They can do weed in there. Louis bag, this is not for fashion.

So I ride to the Balenciaga store with the CEO of Balenciaga. And I didn't have a change of underwear, but for what, you know, I've done with Balenciaga, especially over the past four months, guess what my underwear and socks ended up being for the next four days in Paris? Balenciaga underwear for free. And that's when I was sitting there, I was like, yo, this is my vision on life to not even have to have a house to have a place in every single world, I was like, yo, this is my vision on life, to not even have to have a house, to have a place in every single world, every single city, every single country that I could go to.

Somebody's like, you could stay here, you could sleep here, like my dog Boo was like, man, you in my city? He called him Brother Boo. Yeah. Okay. He was like, you in my city? And at first when I saw it, I was like, nigga, I was born in Atlanta. I was like, I humbled myself, said, yes, sir. With a bunch of eyes. With a bunch of eyes. my city and at first when i saw i was like nigga i was born in atlanta i was like so i humbled

myself say yes sir with a bunch of eyes with a bunch of eyes uh and um he's like yo you know i'm down here working on casey album in houston but you could stay at my crib and to i know i got a bunch of cribs i could stay at in new york i know i got a bunch of cribs i could stay at and you just move around like first it was like y Yassine. Think about Mo Steph. He changed the name to Yassine. And he started moving around. So I would think about how he was moving around. You know, just going through the airport sometimes standing in line.

Sometimes not standing in line. Getting an Uber. Uber be canceling on me. I'm not going to say Uber's trash now. I'm just saying. I'm not going to lie to you. You told me that the other day. You said you'd be calling Ubers and Ubers be canceling on you. I'm not going to lie to you. You told me that the other day. You said you'd be calling Ubers, and Ubers would be canceling on you. I'm not going to lie.

Who would cancel on you? Your profile doesn't say, hey, on it. Does it say that? I'm saying I really am canceling, I guess. But did your profile say that? You don't have 4.9 stars on your profile. Do you? Yeah, I don't even know.

I barely know how to work it. I just got my Apple Pay, you know, just mad. You just got Apple Pay? Let's make some noise for you, P. Hold on. Because you really are a superhero. I got Apple Pay when I had time to make Apple Pay. Wow.

All right, go ahead. That was hard. That was hard. I'm still on that ball. I'm still on that ball. Okay, so have you watched Versus? Yes. Yeah.

You know where I'm going with it. Yeah. Would you step into that ring? Oh, absolutely. But I would need about, like, four people to go against me at one time. Oh, that's okay. I need producers. I need people who make good albums.

I need people who make radio hits. I need every single Gemini, specifically MC. I need every... Okay, okay. Top five, especially Gemini. Would you like some Hennessy? Would you like a glass? Well, you know, let me explain what Hennessy is doing to the community. Okay.

Okay. So, you know what the people are going to say. People are going to say they want Ye against who you think the people think they want to see you against. There's only two people really out there. No, I think it'd be Drake, right? Thank you. And Holmes, that's probably it. Oh, I didn't think about that one. I didn't think about that.

You see Holmes' nephew right there. He watching you. He watching you. No, I like that. I like that. You would go against Jake? Nah, because that's my boss. I would never go against you. I like that. I like that. You would go against Jay? Nah, because that's my boss. I would never go against you.

I like that answer. But what you're saying, when you and Drake together, who's winning that? I'm winning every situation. That's why I said... Yeah! Salud.

We figured it. Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. Come on. Holy shit. Holy shit. Salud. Salud. Salud. Come on. Holy shit. Holy shit.

And who producer-wise, though? Would it be Dre? Ooh, producer-wise? Wow. Man. That's why I said it got a bit... I need to have, like, a month-long... Just different categories, different styles.

You have a season of your own verses? Yeah. That'd be new. That'd be verses? Yeah. That'd be new. That'd be some new shit. At a certain point, I could just be versing myself. It could be this album against that album. I had to go dark fantasy against... Well, I don't think anything goes against dark fantasy,

but college dropout against... The old year against the new year? Oh, yeah, we could do that. We could do the old year against the new year. We could do all, like, sample drums versus trap drums. We could do all bars versus auto-tune.

Different name changes going against each other. Different eras of... Yeah. Holy moly guacamole. This is exciting shit. But you telling me... I just want to...

For the fans. This is not for me. Yeah. If Swiss come to you... Because it's not about money with you. I can tell it's not about money with you. But if Swiss, Timberland I can tell it's not about money with you

But if Swiss, Timberland say You and Drake against one another You saying you're going to take it And you're going to smoke it Yeah, absolutely Okay, that's all I need to be clear on But it already happened He played one of my leaked songs

And it was better than every other song this year Because you did leak Drake's address, correct? No, he advertised it when he was building the house. Everyone knows it. It's like a place in Canada you go by. It's a monument. Right.

Yeah. We didn't know that. Because, you know, we're little people over here. Yeah, no, you can find it. That's how I was able to find it. It's Google-able. It's on Google Maps.

That's my word. You know I made up that word. Google-able. Google-able. I made that word Maps. That's my word. You know I made up that word. Google-able. I made that word up. What I will say, I understand that, you know, in all of the back and forth that

me and Drake have had, you know, it's like the life is like the NBA. And people are either on your team or they're on another team. And everybody plays games in different kind of ways. And you can't be mad

for somebody. At the end of the day, this man has sold more records than anybody. And part of his technique in basketball, people got different techniques. I went to the gym with Kobe.

And we didn't even really get to play ball. All he did was show me videos of Scottie Pippen. And you know Scottie Pippen's got a wide wingspan. But he didn't talk about that. He talked about how fast he was moving his feet. And he was like, yo, this is inhuman. This is inhumane.

And he was studying that. He wanted to learn how fast he moved his feet. So when Drake, Drake don't do a diss, like outright diss song where it's a headshot. He's going to set it up like war. You know what I'm saying? Calculated and strategized. Yeah, when people went to go get Hitler, they didn't go straight for Hitler. They said a fake tanks. They said this, they said that.

So he's going to do stuff like live five blocks down the street from you, DM every... He said prep through the light switch. Is that what you told him? He's going to go and DM every single girl in your family, every single girl around your family,

all your niggas, girl, da-da-da-da. So it becomes like... So you already got that. It's like away games and home games and stuff like... Wow. And football, and this is professional rap. This is the first time we're in a place of, like, professional rap. So all that's there.

So if he throws out a bar right here, it might be a bar only... Like what Pac said, you and I know what's going on. Right. But it's all psychological right So it's like What pin What button is someone gonna hit Where can

Where can you hit him It's like I was just at the Game with J Prince last night And just seeing It was talking about how How many Below the belts there were How many this there was

And the whole thing about On that record that He had You know what You know what it is I got the perfect I never thought about this tonight. Okay. You know what?

I bit his ear. I bit his ear. Like Tyson bit? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because they didn't see what Holyfield was doing. They didn't see what he was doing. Tyson telling the refs like, yo, you didn't see this?

He's like, Tyson, I'm going to take this in my own hands. Ha! Holy shit. Holy shit. I'm going to take this to my own hands. Ha! Holy shit. Holy shit. I've never heard of this. No, but you make it be, I'm just, because it's in front of me. I was like, I was in a fight there. We're talking about this. We've been, you know, discussing, doing things together

to bring attention to Hoover's situation. Right. And actually, I got Larry Hoover Jr. with me. I see, I introduced myself. I recognize his face. to bring attention to Hoover's situation. And actually, I got Larry Hoover Jr. with me. I see. I introduced myself. I recognize his face. So at a certain moment, I want to take a moment where he can talk about the exact situation. I can really understand this leader and political prisoner.

You know, like when I went to the White House, I said, this is me in a different dimension. You know, any one of us that can organize somebody, they ain't going to take us down. They've been taking, you know, the leaders and the fathers out of the community and only leave us with a hustler mentality because you ain't got a dad that's showing you how to save money and what property to buy and how to build your own factories.

We're going to be jumping up and down for the idea of, like, Virgil getting a job for Bernard Arnault or me getting a job at The Gap or Adidas. A lot of times, times just like we all was born white supremacist racist and homophobic that's the bottom that's the baseline that's another thing i don't even got the word for it but it's like a phobia of mental health that's the thing where people try to write it off that's like even when i cut my hair like that i'm like yo they're gonna try to freeze my haircut at first you, I called it the Britney. Oh, Britney Spears! Okay,

I get it, I get it. Now it could be called a yay, but when I see that, bro, I'm telling you, you know, the declaration of insanity is a form of censorship and control. Are you taking some Hennessy? I'd like to smooth that. Take some more Hennessy,

god damn it. I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but it's fucking interesting. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. You got to sip it. It doesn't count unless you sip it. Nah, I mean, you know,

feds, Democrats, whatever, they know who I am. So I was up there like, man, maybe I shouldn't do, you know,

this interview because that's when they really going to come. You got to understand, Kobe... You can say whatever the fuck you want over here. Yeah, yeah,

but it's called, everything has like a butterfly effect. Kobe died on, you know, in Calabasas. Right. You know what I'm saying? On the street where I would drive my kids to school. That's crazy. This video game, this Grand Theft Auto is

real. Right. You know. So, but you know, me and Drake, we all really on the same team. Just even on this planet, period, we on the same team. We, the people we think are ops and all this stuff. Once we understand, and this is, I think, the job that God actually has for me is for us to all realize that we are playing inside of the same time. That's one thing we all got in common. If we all in the same place in the Christian calendar

at all times, we could be the first civilization to become civil. Matter of fact, let me take out the word can. I hate the word can. I hate these like in between, you know, can't work can and should. And if it's like feds, it's like somebody you think is with you. They're not really with you. They're like a fourth leg that could just fall any time your whole table fall over. Like that's why we have to will these things in fruition.

So we say we will be the first civilization to become civil. We still in the dark ages. We attack each other. Mentally, we go back to the rap stuff with me and Drake. This is, we in World War III. This is warfare right here. What they do, people can comment on you online that you don't know. You can't come see them.

You know what I'm saying? In Korea, the suicide rates is crazy. People's esteem, how you feel about yourself, body dysmorphia, overdoing it with the drip and all that. So I'm about, like Robin Hood, really breaking down the class system. That's why I went to The Gap.

Like people was like, man, Virgil went to Louis, you went to The Gap. I said, I always wanted to create egalitarian. You worked for The Gap at one point. Yeah, I worked for The Gap, so it was meant to be. I always felt like Gap was sort of like Apple of apparel. For me, esteem and clothing is so connected. Your ego.

Your ego connected to the first time my mom bought me some Jordans in fourth grade. I didn't even know. They was the fours. I got the fours in fourth grade. I always looked for lineups like that. And somebody told my mama, he going to like this. And then I walked through the school and everybody was looking at my shoes. I didn't even know about it.

Then I would go visit my dad out in Tacoma Park, Maryland. And it was this rich kid that had enough Jordans to be able to wear mismatched Jordans like BBD. And he'd have them with the Jabot shorts And with a polo shirt Because I'm coming there dressed like Heavy D With the metal with the tip of my shoes And stuff with like rayon shirts and polka dots And he's like we don't dress like that no more We dress like this

I came back to Chicago With the new style and ever since then I've always been like ahead of niggas And I always like that feeling of being Ahead But if you're ahead long enough, eventually you need to become the head. You need to become the leader.

I had a wildest conversation. I remember this one time, Lauren was going to be mad at me. I said, I'm the leader. You're talking about Lauren Hill? Yeah, Lauren Hill. There's going to be a lot of super name drops. Get the graphics ready. I was like, I'm the leader.

She was like, you a leader? I'm the leader. And she's like, you a leader? You not the leader. Shout out to Laura Hill. Shout out to Laura Hill. Hold on. So she said you a leader. She didn't call you the leader. Yeah.

Not the supreme leader. Yeah, but no, the supreme leader is God, but God appoints leaders. Right. At a certain point, there are leaders. Right. You know, so all the, like, Me Too, like, when I sit next to Marilyn Manson and the baby, right after both of them got canceled for five songs. Right.

You know, it's like they can't cancel us all. Right. They didn't cancel Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle didn't get canceled. That's what I'm saying. Right. We got to, and it's like, yeah, hit you with, like, an accusation or somebody that you was with, you know, 10 years ago. Mm-hmm.

Okay. And then also, it's like, there's women who have been through really serious things, pulled in alleys against their will. That's different than a hug. Right. But it's classified as the same thing.. But it's classified as the same thing. It's classified as the same thing. You know,

it's power and politics. You know, power-hungry maniacs and just control. This is 1984, mind control that we in. And mom mentality, too. Oh, mom mentality.

How do you feel about council culture? Oh, man, I love it. I'm above it. They try to council you like 15 times. Yeah, I love it. I'm above it. They try to counsel you like 15 times. I love it. I'm above it. You know what I mean? I love it. I'm above it.

You know, that's the clouds. When you're in a jet, you look down at the clouds. It's like, I'm running to get canceled. I'm doing this show, so it's like, I'm begging to get canceled. He's trying to get canceled. We don't give a fuck. And then different people will call me and make suggestions and be like, you know, I suggest, you know, maybe you shouldn't be buying.

If you're suggesting that to me, why are you so into it? Unless you're really into it. Unless you're really part of the mob. Because the mob, it got a couple mob members here right now. Most definitely. Most definitely. You know what I'm saying? That different kind of mob.

But you got to understand, they all doing their job. We all here for a reason. God got a reason. God sees everything. And if I'm still alive, God's not finished. Like I say on 24, which I wrote. I actually wrote the day before Kobe passed the melody. And we ended up.

And the funny thing, we went back and forth on this song. And when we did the listening event down in, the listening event in Atlanta, the first one for Howard Atlanta, we started with 24. For the Donda album. For the Donda album, yeah. We started with 24. All my people out the trenches, living up, making all right.

And then the funny thing i had a clip of kobe and his daughter in the video and we called his wife everything and we couldn't get it cleared now one of the things when kobe was accused and that's what they said that's what snoop snoop reacted to that yeah because okay continue so that's what they said because you talk about superheroes right they don't want uh what what uh what did az say they don't want to see a black man turn to john gaudi or calla but like they don't want What did AZ say They don't want to see a black man turn to John Gotti Or Callie They don't want you to have this They want you to have a house

They want you to have the cars They want you to look at the numbers On you know billboard Or Spotify That's completely controlled They want you to base your self esteem Off of TikTok Hi God completely controlled. They want you to look at your, they want you to base your self-esteem off a TikTok. Hi, God. If another nigga talk to me about TikTok, man. Bro, it's fine. Y'all can play,

you know, praise God and everything. And that's great. I'm happy that it connects to my children and everything, but it's none of these things that can make me and that's the idea of being a nomad i like that term though because i was talking to the head of ikea about creating i'm sure he won't like that this is the first person that went and me too'd itself so wait you're not you're not laughing you didn't like that the first person that went and Me Too'd itself. Wait, you're not laughing. You didn't like that. I'm reading the energy in the room. It'll be an uproar.

Here comes the backlash. You're the president of IKEA. You're the president of IKEA. What happened? He's going to be like... I was just talking to him and said, look, we need create um better situations for homeless people you know it's a really utopian dictator concept okay we're going to eradicate homelessness what about people who want to be homeless and there's a lot of them they want to be there's a lot of people so that would change you got to think

we used to have water fountains now Now we got a plastic problem because of water bottles. That's capitalism. That's deep. You know, everyone only thinks about themselves, especially our black leaders. Right. Wouldn't none of us run on stage? Wouldn't none of us say, George Bush don't care about... We are very self-interested...

Those are two of the best moments in American history. You said George Bush don't care about black people. And when told tell us with that Beyonce had the best video and I was Whatever you okay, then I hit that for you to say that. Man, you know I got a gentle mental. No problem. That's American history. Was it Hennessy that night that would tell us when you sat there? Because why did you want to do that? You know, well, I was showing both of my addictions. You know, I found my dad's Playboy when I was five years old,

and I started drinking beer or something in high school so I actually was carrying both of my addictions one in one arm one in the other I was actually talked in to going to the award show at that time it was Don C's job to talk me into stuff they find new people whose job would be to talk me into doing something that I don't want to do influencers people around you so uh that night I said, I'm not going to this award show. I'm not sitting through this no more. And the very first award, they sent me in the front. Now, you got single ladies videos like.

You were with Amber at the time, right? Yeah. Okay. They got, this is one of the best videos of, in history. To my Beyonce. Yeah, the single ladies. So it's not that it's just for her when an artist does something that's that compelling and incredible we gotta respect it like i feel like this year just should nobody just even put the album in the category or album

of the year so i could finally have album of the year because you don't want to be the person that beat donna for album of the year i love that i love that i love that no you gotta understand i made i made watch the throne and now i made watch the throne and dark fantasy in the same year my beautiful dark twisted fantasy in the same year and neither of them got nominated for however the year wow not even nominated not even nominated that's crazy so and you know what i love hey i'm gonna just tell y'all this when white people say the word rapper that is saying nigger when you say it to me you saying you getting away with saying nigger damn oh the rapper okay oh the rapper or like uh last night on the game they

had my face on the chyron and on the screen and said hip-hop artists. Specifically, I was like, you know I got a PhD from the Art Institute of Chicago, from the most prestigious art school in the world. Could I at least be called an artist? But you know, here it's like, in America,

they not gonna just give it to you, but it's to be bought. It's to be taken. You know what I'm saying? Like, at this point, bro, this is like there will be blood. You know, I'm not really... Dragon's blood?

That's what they be talking about. Yeah, absolutely dragon's blood. In the Bible, they got dragons. Absolutely. Really? Yeah. There will be blood, bro. Like, remember when a dude, brother,

acted like he was his brother and everything? I don't know if y'all seen this movie. It's one of my favorite movies. But that's me, bro. That's me, bro. It's like the kid with the pink polos. I be telling people, like, yo, it's not like that no more with me. Period.

Bro, like, because, you know what I'm saying? They did everything. God gave me that 6.6. Like, right when they announced that Kim was filing for divorce, one week later, whatever, God was like, nah, nah, this my son right here, 6.6. And Forbes was always on some white supremacist shit, like, downing me. For three years, they like, oh, Kylie a billionaire. Yay, not a billionaire. You know, and even in my Forbes, if you read the article, it's like it's drenched with some like Jackie Robinson. Everything is say, duh, nigga, blank, nigga, duh, nigga.

What'd you say? Because Jackie Robinson was the first. Yeah, yeah. So the idea of what it even means to be a billionaire but to have not colored inside the lines. You know, my mom was born into a drinking fountain. They told her what fountain she could drink out of. Now we born into a vote. They literally call it the black vote.

And by the way, we blood of Christ. We blood of Moses. We're not just a color and a crayon boss and if we knew that who we really were we'd treat each other differently we'd treat ourselves differently so when you say i'm black and i'm proud like but of what what what concept are we are we understanding they say go see the african history museum why do they start when when the boats came why don't they start with the drums? When we was kings. Oh, they don't want it, but we are kings.

But the 400 years doesn't have to deal with slavery. It has to deal with the Bible. It has to deal with us being disobedient to God. Right. And that's why we farm land that isn't our own. Record labels, the NBA, Hollywood.

These boys be scared. They be sitting there. Michael B. Jordan be telling my cousin, like, man, I want to do what Ye do, but I'm just, you know, I'm right here. You know, like Kevin Hart was like, man, I like that. I'm envious of what Dave Chappelle could do.

And then they sitting it at us. Me to him. Say this. Tech, buh-bye. He said this. He said that. It's like, boy, this there will be blood. Stop fucking with me

Because y'all fucking with my money Y'all doing shit, I got 80 accounts right now I got people that's like, why I got 80 accounts That's that Bob Marley through the toe You know what I'm saying I make hundreds of millions a year Then I look up and it's like, yo, I got 30 extra people came down to Sunday service

You know, 30 other Extra people, that's 30 cars, 30 flights, 30 minibars, 30 movies. Who watching? Ain't nobody load up this movie. Who wants to see? Well, I wish I had a name of a funny-ass movie that don't know why you want to see. That would have made it funny. But who want to see this movie?

You get what I'm saying? These just moves, and I looked, I come up, it was one dude working with me, I said, how many storages I got? I said,

I got 88 storages, and then my wife, because she's still my wife, it ain't no paperwork. I love that, I love that. I love that, I love that.

Hey, keep going, that's hard, that's hard. Yeah, so, I gave it to her, because she's ahead, gangsta. Go ahead, keep going. That's hard. That's hard. Yeah. So I gave it to her because she's really good at storage. She loves, like, this is her pastime is, like, organizing.

So when she went to the store, she's like, oh, you got 36 storages. That's a silent murder. That's gas. That's, like, poisoning you slow through the wasabi or something in every little piece of sushi. You got Japanese whiskey. Yeah, exactly. You know what? Let's switch it up to the Japanese whiskey. Hey, welcome back, baby! Come on!

I'm trying to get the Nabigi. Nabigi. Nabigi is going to be Norbigi. Everything in my list. My wife over there popping bottles. Jesus. So as Biggs walked in, I don't know if you've seen

Devis Biggs right there, but... Oh. I always... Tell them what I said when you asked me if I'd do a versus with Jay. He said no.

Why I say I wouldn't do it. Because he's the boss. That's what you said. Right? We recorded. That's the fact. But damn, you fucked me up. We got the box.

We got this box, man. Okay, yeah, please. We don't know if you know. Our show is about giving people their flowers while they're alive. And we need you to know how much you're important to us. Oh, wow. Open it up for him. Yeah.

That's my favorite thing in the house. Wow. This is... Shout out to one of the blinders. We need you to know... Yeah. Yeah. Because I said it in the beginning,

but I want you... I want to reiterate this because I want you to really know, you know, how many, not just black youth, not just black youth, not just Spanish youth, not just white youth, but how you are really inspirational to a whole

generation. You made people dress different. You made people want to really have their albums produced greatly again. You brung that back to hip-hop. And I want to tell you that as face-to-face, man-to-man, eye-to-eye,

we appreciate you, we love you, and you mean the world to us. Wow. And you did a record for me back in the days. I don't know if you remember, and you didn't even charge me.

I ain't have it, though. I ain't have it. You was way too expensive. And I tried. I was like, he said, nah, it's good.

It's on the house. It's on the house. And he did freestyles for me on my mixtapes back in the days. I know he's not going to remember that at all. But you did steal

one of my lines. You said, I go to Jacob with 25,000. You stole my shit. Keep it real. Keep it 100. Keep it real.

I made a whole song out of it. You made a whole song. I go with 2,500. Wow. I got a third class on my wall right now. You got your first gold singer. Oh, nigga, wow.

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but you're going to drink with us, too. God damn it. I'm sorry. I'm looking dead at you. You know, it's funny. I just bought a bigger house last night. I got a backpack that's this big. We're talking about the mobile homes. It's my home.

It's not my house. My home is where my daughter FaceTime me. But my house is that backpack. Okay, so this is what I was going to ask you. One of the most controversial records or most dopest records I've ever heard you make was Big'sgs brother was Biggs brother used to be and I thought that that was so honest because a lot of people um I believe the word jealous is not a bad word but I'm sometimes you could be jealous and say I I want what this person wants. That doesn't mean you're a hater. Hate is something different.

Hate is I despise you. And I felt like that's not what it was saying with that record, but it was like, I want this slot, and I'm going to stop at no means of getting this slot. Am I incorrect? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. And I think about when I do things, you know, I not going to be on my monk i'm just traveling the world i have a home stuff and but when we go in like we was

doing the listening sessions we want to make it hurt that's what competition is we made we made everybody push their summer back you know drake pushed back those release dates that's for fact that actually you know that actually happened and then they had people come out saying oh you know he um you know the other thing i saw this thing that style said about this going back and forth i understand it's it's interesting to people but man i i love drake i love all artists period but not even to mention drake Drake, I love all artists let's have Drake just have his spot of what he meant in my life

specifically and what he's meant to rap you know, over the past decade specifically, this is a very I would say the most if I wasn't me most but this is a very um important artist that

actually added something to the algorithm because watch this it's like our phone I mean our phones have um I don't know what do you call their hard drives? The chips. Microchips. The processors. The processors, right? We are God's ultimate iPhone. We are God's favorite creation. So if Steve Jobs was God, we would be his iPhone.

And we are simply programmed and we go with the program and some are unprogrammed and some of the unprogrammed are people who they say are crazy or people who go off the rails, people who end up homeless. And the program are the people who go with the program. And you have this thing, like when I said, when I hit you with a W-Y-D, you better not hit me with a H-E-Y. You better be like, hi, with a bunch of I's, or hey, with a bunch of Y's.

And so, it's, you know, people who heard that song would text me back with a bunch of I's or a bunch of Y's. We just right there adjusted the programming. That's simple. That's what's simple that's what media that's a mind control it's all about can you be a part of the programming what i say to drake is he added something to the algorithm as we become more civil civilized and more sophisticated the style of rap that he was doing was more sophisticated than the style of rap that he was doing was more sophisticated than the style of rap that I grew up on.

Now, it had notes from Nas and Rakim, and obviously from me, but it also had notes from Sade. It had notes, and people want to make jokes about that, but it made it more... I give massages to Sade. There you go. I play Sade when I give massages.

So you a real nigga, just throwing that out there. That's what Iin. There you go. I play the chardin when I get massages. There you go. So you a real nigga. Just throwing that out there. That's what I do. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I cut you off. I'm sorry. So that made it, his music was more accessible.

There was a time when rap wasn't as accessible. And he created this thing that actually has good melodies in it, you know, good music in it, that became massively accessible. So it's sort of like the iPhone. Music is such an interesting thing to create, a genre to create in, because grab music right now. Grab it with your hands.

It's like it's in the air. Intangible, right? It's intangible. It's intangible like the concept of a relationship. You know what I'm saying? You with somebody, you might only see them twice out the week. If y'all married, you might only see them two hours a day, three hours a day before y'all go to sleep. But y'all together, it's a concept that you live on, an idea.

You know, in this GTAta we are an idea so for instance i gotta say this to boo i kind of feel like he knew that i was working on cities he knew i was working on cities but when you think about a city who you think about acon so i feel like boo's like man you know i'm gonna let you know you're about to drop the city right now i can't yeah it was just period civilizations your man right here was like are you working on an epcot you know cities of the future i'm like man how you know he said i know what i know what wave you on so um because no one never liked it to go to wyoming until you went there yeah or even afterwards apparently some of you afterwards only you they only came to Wyoming for you. I'm just telling you that. Yeah, it was a step.

You know, the problem is they say, I was talking to Jay Prince and talking to Elon. This is another, we're going to do another drop right here. Are you talking about Elon Musk? Yes. All right. Continue. This is normal.

Elon Wilson. Okay. His cousin. His cousin. That's funny. That's funny as shit. So I was talking to Jay Prince and talking to Elon, which I love. That's an amazing combination right there.

It's an amazing spectrum. It's actually closer than we think. Wow. Because why is it so far? Wow. Real talk. You know what I'm saying? When I think about certain people's ability, like Biz is someone, he know how to read a contract.

That's how it's very few of us that's seven feet tall and very few of us that's three feet tall. We all play our position inside of this modern day Wakanda that we actually in. We at the brink of it. You know what I'm saying?

After this interview, I possibly could be taken out. No! The interview has happened, though. It's happened. Because I've infected y'all to think in the yay way. I possibly could be taken out. No! The interview has happened, though. It's happened. Because I've infected y'all to think in the yay way. We infected them. We are in.

It's like when they say, this is the man on the moon, this is the first black man on the moon. I was telling people like investors, people we have in SPAC, oh, I was with the black. A white person, first of all, we all beings alike. We're not even classified under race. But if we're going to be inside of race conversation,

don't be telling me what you done did for the black people. I started the black SPAC or this black, or this black investments for hair clippers and what you think I might know i might be into i remember being out in san francisco bro it's like i ain't never made money with not one person from silicon valley have you ever saw the show silicon valley yes it's a great show like the opening episode was kid rock performing and he said i'm kid rock and then nobody clapped at the end of his performance and one dude says other uh see, see, that's Kid Rock.

He the brokenest person here. That best describes my experience in Silicon Valley, whether I'm sitting with Google, whether I'm sitting with Mark Zuckerberg, whether I'm sitting. Man, I already been shadow banned. They shadow banned me in the middle of the election. So what I got to lose, I don't use Twitter anymore. I'm friends with Jax Dorsey. I said, man, why y'all shadow ban me he hit me back and said i don't see anything weird here because you're not looking you gave me i didn't inhale ass answer to why i got shadow banned after i went to haiti i don't know what shadow ban mean

i'm sorry they don't see your stuff they don't see your stuff you don't notice know what shadow ban means. I'm sorry. They don't see your stuff. They don't see your stuff. You don't notice it, but they don't see it. Okay, load up. If you go right now and load up Emmanuel album by Sunday Service on Apple, if you don't type it all the way to the very end, it ain't going to pop up. It's little things inside of. But let's be clear. You was a little crazy on Twitter at one point.

Remember? You was kind of. Yeah, but did I get it right for them to shadow ban? It's freedom of speech, though, too. Taking that away. Yeah, and what was the craziest thing? Exposing that... Exposing I had 10 contracts that everybody around me knew I had 10 contracts. Everybody that supposedly

cared for me knew I had 10 contracts. Of course, you're not on Def Jam no more, right? Oh, I'm off of it now. But what I'm saying is, I signed contract after contract after contract after contract. And it's like one of my skill sets is not reading. One of my skill sets is not counting. And people are like, oh, you need to learn how. Man, I ain't telling any nigga to learn how to dress.

I'm not telling these niggas. But if we moved as a family and a community, you know what Jay said? He said we could fall, we could be each other's crutches. We could benefit each other, but the system tears us apart left and right. Jay this way, Dane that way, Ye this way, Virgil that way.

We stronger together. We impenetrable together. We have to vote. I don't know what it means. Impenetrable? Impenetrable. You can't get vote. I don't know what it means. Impenetrable? Impenetrable. You can't get through. You can't get through. We have to vote as a block.

We vote. I would have voted for you for president. I don't know. Did you see me on the campaign? I went on the campaign. We talked about it a lot. I was like five. I was by myself. A lot of people supported me, but I supported you. Remember? You absolutely talked about it a lot.

It's on TMZ. Praise God. I appreciate that. When it's time to get free, the only way we're going to do it is by leverage and anchor. It's like the Jewish community is not the most people in America, but they understand how to collectively use their leverage to have a position that serves them. You know what I'm saying? Now, what I keep on saying is we are us. We are collective.

Humanity, we are collective. But we so easy to get into, like, an ego thing. Just like with the Drake thing, man. I love Drake. I was just telling you things that he was doing in a professional game of rap that was throwing me off. And then, okay, I bit his ear. You know what I mean? And that's what happened.

That was Mike Tyson, Holyfield, that was professional sports. We in professional rap, meaning it's too many people that get paid off for either of us for something to happen

to either of us. You know what I'm saying? So we'll be on a record talking about, I'm going to do this. No, you're not. You're too rich. You're too rich.

It does become ridiculous at that point Yeah You know what I mean So And why You know And life is just so fun

And it's It's lit And we get to be professional Right You know Rappers For a period of time Out of our life

And pull in this energy And have people talking about it But It's a certain responsibility I think that It's a Redemption A redeeming quality This is what I. I'd be wanting to sit down

with Drake to say this just as an OG to him is the redemption. Like when I asked him for the beat for TSU, that's my favorite song on CLB, it's like mama is not around, daddy is not around. CLB is my certified little boy. Yeah. So I'm not gonna do a joke like man you ain't know the name of the album you did. No, no, no. Listen, man. I live in my own world, too, man. I'm not exactly you or him, but I live in my own world, too, and I'm kind of the man in my shit.

So, I'm sorry. But, yeah, see, I'm bad. You don't have to say sorry to me. I'm fine with you not knowing the name of the album. I feel like going. You can hear it one time, one time, just do it one time One time One time Oh shit this is great

This is great But the redemptive quality Is like that third verse Because if you just leave it as is It's going to stay as is And for me In my opinion Lucy and Gray J Got no problem you just leave it as is, it's going to stay as is. And for me, in my opinion, Lucy and Gray J ain't got no problem with it staying as is. I got a problem with it staying as is.

I got to, you know, it's funny. I call Damien Hirst that did Drake's cover because I felt like I didn't like the cover. I felt like he was trying to troll him or something. I love Damien Hirst. I just bought a couple of his pieces right now. One of my top five favorite artworks of all time is these animals he put in embalming fluid. So, you know, when you do my interview, which I should have, it's just things just pop up at the bottom. Yeah, no, we can look at that. Don't worry about it.

So he did this shark. It's kind of similar to the scene in the sale that had J-Lo by Tar Sam where a horse separated like this. So he actually did this. And I bought a dove for my family, for my wife to put it there. And I bought this black sheep because that's, you know, that's me. You bought a black sheep? It's an actual black sheep and embalming fluid. And it's by Damien Hirst who did the Drake album cover. I'm thinking you bought a real black sheep. But's an actual black sheep and embalming fluid, and it's by Damien Hirst, who did the Drake album cover.

I'm thinking you bought a real black sheep. But it's physically... It is. It is. It is. No, I actually bought... It's a rich nigga's sheep. I actually bought 1,200 living sheep.

But I bought one... You're a sheep herder, officially. Yes. So, the... That was the easiest thing I've ever said. I've never heard of a sheep herder officially. Yes. So, the... That was the easiest thing I ever said. I've never heard a sheep like this in my life. So, it's that third verse. I used to rap like this. I would say,

girl didn't give me no ass. She needed to go down. And the next line would say, the pastor said I need Jesus. So, I went to the church and let the water wash over my season. I always gave a redemption you know i'm saying like it's like what bone thugs told you about you know feds sitting with them saying make negative music that's going to put more of us in jail it's documented you can load it up

so we do that and you get like of god people travis scott drake Kanye West, we of God, God's plan. And then we make these songs that don't have a redemptive quality in what we're saying, because maybe we trying to look harder or be cooler or this, that, younger, whatever it is, and act like we ready to die as much as people who really got you know 10 bodies and really I'm sorry did it cause the rumor is that Drake kind of took a shot at you

on that song but Travis Scott was on that same song was married did it ever put a screen in your relationship oh yeah I put everybody on a group text everybody gets a group and what I don't like is like, you know, when... That sounds interesting.

Who's in this group text? It was Jay-Z, Kim Kardashian. Jay-Z ain't got nothing to do with this, by the way. No, he's on the song. Jay-Z's on... See, this, I talked to Jay at the wedding the other day.

He didn't know when he did the song that me and Drake had a problem. So after it came out, he's now in it. That's just, I did it before the fact, but what I'm saying is, so it's like Traff,

but then Drake says, it's like he said, I'm going to put you on a gilding. I have somebody put you on a gilding, which means put you on a t-shirt, right? And I'm talking to everybody that's in this community.

Drake said that? On the album. No, not on the group text. He said it on the song. Okay. And I'm talking all these. It's Kid Cudi, Pusha, Drake, Jay-Z,

Kim, and Traff. One of the lines I said that was legend is I said, I'm worth more than all of y'all on this text combined. Yeah. You said,

that was a what? What did you say? That was a, that was, I don't know what you just said. just said he wrote that in the text group everybody yeah that was one of the elements of the text okay this is an intense group chat but everybody oh you know everybody want to soon as i start dropping bars oh my god he's in the episode oh my god he need to go to the hospital oh Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh, oh my

God. And it's just, oh God. Oh, oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Oh shit. This is so good. This is so good. Here you go. You want some more Hibiki? He's like, just get good. Get some Hibiki.

Please. You go on. You go on in there. I just got to shut up. But what I'm saying is as a community, we have to police ourselves. So if you know you got a person that's, you know, we in a league. We in a league of our own, right? It's like the NBA. Life itself, but then also this celebrity influential place like musicians and influencers and stuff like that. And they have shit that's called like flagrant fouls inside of the league.

So in this group chat, did you tell Travis Scott that was a flagrant foul? Exactly. Okay. No, the thing is, he could have put the line on without everybody knowing. So that means I felt like everybody should go to Drake and be like, you ain't saying that to North St., Chicago, and Psalms' dad. Because he could

be saying shit that's poking at me and driving me crazy. And then if I do something that seems crazy, then they just blaming me. It's like every nigga that got locked up. It's a reason they didn't do it just because their life was perfect and they had all the opportunities in the world and they dad brought them up.

It's very few people like that. There's this born serial killer. That's what they want to do. People are always there for a reason. And ain't nobody like, you know, I have this conversation where Drake is like, you know, I never fucked Kim. But I was like, but you acted like you did. You got bars. It's like hitting heels.

Give your wife the chills. You doing all kind of, it's like somebody throwing a marble and hiding their hand or something like that. It's like you, all that's disrespectful. Y'all actually had this conversation? We had this conversation. And this is all, and to the point where Kim be like, I don't listen to this nigga no more this nigga acting like he fucked and like we ain't never really like we we never really had that conversation oh i never fucked him right no but what about all the did you ever dm her did you ever you know i'm saying everything else

around it you know because it ain't about just the actual act of it you know the act the anticipation of something is the is what we live in now is the actual act of it. You know, the act, the anticipation of something is what we live in. Now is the shortest moment of our life. Now, the now that was just there is just gone now. You know what I'm saying? So you could be sitting there like, did he? Did he not? That's worse than if you did.

I would have rather you did and I just actually had to just deal with the finality because my mind, I'm like a Xerox printer. You know, I'm Christian, but I'll tell you something. I talked to a healer that said, I'm dealing with resentment from multiple lives

of disloyalty or the way I felt, you know, with Virgil going to Louis and just things like jealousy. So it actually was a problem because that's what we heard. Yeah, absolutely.

I was jealous. What do you mean? I'm a human being. And people try to tell was a problem? Because that's what we heard. Yeah, absolutely. I was jealous. What do you mean? I'm a human being. And people try to tell you what to say in press and what to feel. Like, you don't feel that. You was in my situation

and you riding. No, no, this is the other thing. Sickle mode, they would play it at the kids' party. So I'd have to bring my kids to a party with this man

threatening my life on a song. Welcome to Calabasas. And then they wonder why you end up, you know, in the hospital. It has to be some type of respect, a male perspective, a God perspective,

and some type of community leadership. And I'm the leader. And that's what I told Lauren Hill. Yeah, I told Lauren Hill. I told everybody. I'm the leader. Let's look at I told Lauren Hill. Yeah, I told Lauren Hill. I told everybody. I'm the leader. Let's look at it. Let's open up this Bible. Now you know your grandmother's like, you need Jesus. Yeah, you need Jesus. That's what you need.

Jesus! Praise God. Because all of this that we're doing, it ain't adding up to nothing. Now God has pointed at me and said, this man worth nine billion dollars. Jesus! And that's pretty good for a black man.

First of all, I said that before. We got to take the black version off it. Because I'm running circles around all the other... You know what we're going to do? All of us. Black or white. But what we're going to do to the world...

I've got to make some noise for that. We've got to make some noise for that Continue continue Like I ain't going to lie You got me hyped Motherfucker I'm sorry Yeah I mean like Look at Moses

Moses In order for Moses To be Moses He had the ability To be able to take down Anybody else That's my thing If I'm going to rap

On a song If I'm going to do a beat If we talk about money Whatever we're talking about I'm going to be on a song, if I'm going to do a beat, if we talk about money, whatever we're talking about, I'm going to be the Moses of the situation because that's what God anointed me, that skill set to be able to do that. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I can, you know what I'm saying, you wouldn't

have Drake write a, no, you wouldn't have Virgil do a song for you, but you wouldn't have Drake pick out a purse for you. You know what I'm saying? I would compete with both of them at the same caliber. You know, competing with Virgil you but you wouldn't have drake pick out a purse for you you know what i'm saying but i i would compete with both of them at the same caliber you know competing with virgil at louis vuitton with my little brown sweatshirts somehow this man been annoying it with different skill sets that's why i said i put them on a group text and it wasn't about the magic archeterics

or kid cuddy dress it's like you know how it is, if you texting a girl or a girl texts you back, they might just to gain some position, text you back slow, different things. I don't, let me tell you, as the leader, I don't operate like that. Don't be on my phone texting me back slow. If I, and it's so... You demanded an immediate response.

Or don't be on my phone. Right, right. Y'all don't work with, like I said to you, I'm a Xerox printer, meaning I can see a dinosaur bone and build a dinosaur out of it, mentally. So if I hear a verse, I'm going to

build a dinosaur, I'm going to hear a dinosaur bone out of a line, too, because people can look and be like, oh, he never did this, but that don't mean that line hasn't built an entire dinosaur bone. And this is a perfect time for me to come back because you got to understand i was yay and then they started making more yays watch this yay is like this encompassing thing of fashion bars beats production videos this and then what happened is you get rocky dressing better than me tyler making better videos drake more records

virgil higher position in fashion and j cole more backpack or kendrick better bars and stuff so i literally had to go like thanos and i don't want to have to be the villain. But when I went and did the Donda thing, yay returned. And everybody had to sit back and watch the real leader. They talk about goats and this and that. It's like because I affect people 20 years older than me. I affect people 20 years younger than me. And that's what it actually is. You've you gotta know who you is and you gotta tell

people who you are. Man, I got this money guy, as I'm up here disappointed because actually I gotta stop screaming at white people. But I got this money guy that said, yo, you got 80 accounts open, which is like I said, it's the hit. It's the way to kill me. And he was

just dismissive. He was like, man, I just saw what Trump did with this SPAC and you can you can do that. I said, man, when I do it, we're going to get up to Elon and Bezos and Arnaud territory. And he just says to me very nonchalantly, I'm not going to say it's going to be all that. Three minutes later, a conversation he's talking to me about you got 80 accounts open and this is ridiculous. He said it at the beginning. You know, I said I already heard that. I started raising my voice. And he checked me like, who are you screaming at?

Who are you screaming at? But it's like, boy, when you said, when you dismiss me and when I try to stand up and you push my shoulder like that, that's a part of the programming in schools today i see my son do his homework at sierra canyon that because i because daddy got his own school called donda named after my mom first black female english chair chicago uh english department chicago state so he's doing his homework and it's it's math and it's got three eggs and two eggs. And it says three plus two equals what? And he says five. And the next one has three eggs plus two eggs. And it says two plus one equals what? And he says five. And see, the picture was wrong with the number. He starts to get frustrated. He starts crying. He doesn't understand.

And I was there, you know, thinking he was too young for me to explain this to him. It's like, no, this is getting you prepped to be pulled over for no reason and think it's OK. This is getting prepped for you to be the person that deserved a job. If someone else get the job, they hire Virgil over you and you think it's OK. You can't say none because you will sell out to black people if you say you got to go get a hug. They're getting you prepped. It's prep school, right baby? It's preparation for your

limitation. That's deep. That's deep. We in these schools right now, baby. Oh, you thought I wasn't going to get killed by the end of this interview. I'm going to try my best. No, no. No, no. You're giving it to him. It would have gotten worse,

to be honest. You're giving it to him. You know what I'm saying? But it's a part of the overall slave ship and the slave mentality. When I cut,

when I cut my hair like this. Did you cut it yourself or a barber did that? Let me tell you, I should have cut my hair myself because I was in Europe. So you paid a nigga to do that?

No, no, tell me. I'm asking. Exactly. I'm asking. It's funny that you say that because I asked, he kept on like cutting it because he didn't get in Europe. So you paid a nigga to do that? No, no, tell me. Exactly. I'm asking you. It's funny that you say that because I asked, he kept on like cutting it

because he's a barber. If you ever cut a plug in somebody's head, your barbershop might shut down. I cut hair for a living back, you know, 14, 15. I used to do that

to buy clothes and also to buy music equipment. I got a story. We're going to get into some real rap shit. We had to like, we had to.

We into this. We into this. We into this. I had to just give you some, you know, all TMZ existence, yay thing at the beginning. So, damn, what was that train of thought? We were talking about the barber. Okay. If you cut a plug in somebody's hair, you could lose your job. I remember I used to cut hair.

And I had like, one day I had like six clients. I had the most money. I might have had like 120, I don't know. And the next day, these barbers, they was real good in town. They said, your boy was on a mission. You know, yesterday I was feeling all proud. I was like, yeah, well, I was getting it in. And then he said, people was walking in like this and walking out like this

no because i was bad i didn't know who's going there okay so um so um uh yeah so he cuts my hair and i'm going through it's taking an hour. I'm like, I'll take a little bit more here, do this here, blah, blah. And after this, it took all the life out of this man as a black barber, as a African-American, as a blood of Christ, as a Hebrew, as a, see, I'm telling y'all what it is, right? And he was so disappointed that he didn't even charge me. He just walked away like, man, I did this to Kanye West. For something that you asked for, too. Yeah.

Yeah. And then a few days later, I cut my hair. Now, mind you, I thought it was lit and only God, the universe, the video game, that my hair cut. You posted it on the gram? Was that you who posted it? Yeah, but the fact that my haircut and my name came at the same time... No more slave name. Yeah, it had to be something

because to do that, this is harder than wearing a Trump hat. Because every time, it's my image, you know, I'm fly, so it's just, everything is like, you get your haircut, it's Friday night, I'm finna go to the club, or I gotta go to a wedding, or I gotta go to a graduation, or I'm going to my job. Yo, as a man, as a black man, your lining, your haircut means so much.

So then I'm sitting in the mirror at the hotel and I grab and I remember, oh snap, I have a barber skillset and an art skill set. And I start cutting because one of my homegirls was like, I think it need a lining because it just looked really. And I was like, I ain't finna get no lining. I got $9 billion. I don't need no lining. So, so then I, um, I cut it a different way. And the name of our basketball team is the Doves, the Donda Doves. So I like I started to cut it like a dove. So this is actually three doves cut in my hair. And what I like is one patch will grow back and it starts to make these layers.

And I said, you know, I'm an artist, like a process artist. And I'd like to let people in on a process like what we did with the rollout. So when you see the hair, it's like you see the process of the haircut. You also see the process. It's like a representation of my thoughts developing because of how close it is to my, you know, to my to my head. And then the whole thing is it it got to look hot, you know, at the end of the day. Like, it's girls that hit me like, yo, I like that mask.

When I wore the mask, yeah. Hov texted us and told us, make sure you don't walk in with that white mask. I got the mask on me, actually. Where's it at? I was actually about to start giving out haircuts because apparently I got the mask on me, actually. Where's it at? Where's it at?

I was actually about to start giving out haircuts because apparently this is about to be a thing. Yeah, somebody's going to, a lot of people are going to bite your shit. Yeah, and my barber name is Edward Niggerhands. Niggerhands. I like him already. And I like the fact that you're holding a Smoke Champs joint. I like that. If you want to light up, you can light up. If you want to light up, yeah fact you hold him a smoke champ's joint. I like that.

If you want to light it up, you can light it up. If you want to light it up, yeah, you can light it up. It's okay. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. You thinking about it. You thinking about it. All right, come on. You my Joe Rogan.

Let's go. Let's go. Hey, man, I'm not a real smoker. Y'all ain't going to embarrass me. You got to light it. I got the gloves. I'm going to be like. Yeah, somebody light it for him, please. not a real smoker. Y'all ain't going to embarrass me. You got to light it. I got the gloves on me like... Yeah, somebody light it for him, please. So let me ask you,

this is kind of a serious question, right? Yeah. Because I remember when Nas named his company El Will, right? Yeah. And I believe that he had to change the name of his company because it's easy to say, like, fuck El Will, but El Will is an actual person.

El Will was his actual best friend. Yeah. So was it ever a time where you said that about naming your album that? Because let's suppose somebody don't like this album and somebody could say, fuck Donna. They're not saying fuck your mother, but they're saying fuck the actual material. Did you ever feel any concern about that, naming it after her? Not at all, but I have seen

them do these things. When everybody said they liked Donda way better than CLB, they had this thing where they had these football players coming up saying, what you like better, CLB or Donda? And then they was like, CLB. And then one of them was like, yeah, fuck Donda. I was like, bro, that's my mama.

Yeah. Yeah, so. Oh! Oh! No, but, um, so, so, you did feel that a certain way. Like, it was a football player saying fuck. Yeah, but he was saying fuck the album. Okay, so moving on.

Who was it that you said you wanted to work with, the baby, and you couldn't work with him? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like people in my camp was trying to protect me from working with the baby. It's so funny, I had to talk. The baby or little baby? I forgot which one it was. Well, you know, it was really hard for me to get in contact with both of them in all actuality.

I had to tweet to really... But you had a red hat on at the time, though? No, this was after I had a red hat, but I still got a red hat on today. I'll let y'all know that. I might not got it on, but I'll let y'all know where I stand. Confirmed?

But that was one of the... The thing Your first listening session Was in the Mercedes In Atlanta And that was one of the Stand out things One

Getting to hear you and Jay Back together Getting to hear Jay say That this might be The return of the throne But he did say I told him Put that red hat

That red hat All alone Yeah That was funny bro I literally got on some like Michael from Goodfellas Like going crazy like It ain't like that you can't tell me what happened I done had gangsters

Try to take my hat when I was living with It was like and then But I did get him though cause I heard That he was watching on The The third listener session. Okay. So we start off with Jail, his song, and then it's like...

He's not on it. Then it's DaBaby. Yeah, it's DaBaby, and he's not on it. Yeah. We watched that, too. Yeah, and he had to be like... But DaBaby versus hard to... You know what's another thing?

It's so funny. Okay. I was sitting in the studio with, I was sitting backstage at Soldier Field with Roddy Ricch and DaBaby, and I was like, yo, God really got a new level of shooters around right now. They in another algorithm.

It's a whole thing, the way DaBaby be rapping. He go into that beat and out of that beat, around that beat. He'll give you the melody. That man was the number one streamer artist for a reason. This is like Terminator 3. You know what I'm saying?

I understand people like a slow flow here and there, blah, blah, blah. But that's the thing. That's the moment when, obviously, Nas made Ether. And that's going to be forever. You know, I made Takeover. No, I never knew that. Yeah, I made Takeover. No, I never knew that. Yeah, I made Takeover. No, I never knew that.

And my girlfriend, Sumiki Rainey from Chicago, is the one that gave me the sample. She gave me the sample for The Truth, and she gave me the sample for Takeover. Wow. She's like, Oz is one that kind of sounds like The Truth. You might like it. Taking over. Come on. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

The thing is, oh, you know, listen, Kanye. We have a game on our show. Yeah. What, you finished? Oh, yeah, I wanted to say about, it was something about related to TakeOver. Oh, the algorithm. Okay.

Is that your bitch? That was the moment When Jay-Z Went like this And Nas was like this Cause Nas couldn't In Chicago we call it sniping Nas is my favorite rapper You gotta produce a whole album

Yeah, many a times I say this is my favorite rapper But the moment when it shifted Was The When Nas couldn't rap that style and Jay-Z could and I think the moment I need you to clarify what you mean I'm sorry then is that your bitch and y'all in this vibe when y'all in this like how we rap from Chicago okay okay like how how we call the sniper how how bone thugs like double time would you say double time twisting yeah we call it sniping, how bone thugs rap. Like double time. Would you say double time?

Twisting. Yeah, we call it sniping. Okay, I understand what you're saying. Right? But Nas, he don't snipe. He don't snipe like that. And then a thing that I feel affected Jay was actually death of Auto-Tune. Because Auto-Tune didn't die.

Right. Actually, it's like the most... I think the most influential artist actually of the past 10 years is Future. Oh. Most important, most influential to our sound today. And then you throw in,

you know, Chief Keef. You ever took an XC with Future? No, no. And then also, one thing is like, with Soulja Boy, is top five most influential, and I'm not going to argue with you niggas about this at all, but Soulja Boy top five as far as to what we are today.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, that's, it's like. Why'd you take him off your album? You didn't hear that verse? No. He was a parent. Oh, I get what you're saying. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

He was apparently mad at you. The verse wasn't good? No, but I'll tell you what, though. I'm sorry, yeah. I wasn't ready. I'm sorry, I got to continue. I'll tell you what, though. Soulja Boy is the future, though.

Future to future is a couple people. You know, I got some things. Even with my style, it's like I never, like, touched the sky and gold digger that style. I only liked can't tell me nothing and say you will. And that's why I'm still here today because everything is moving around us. You know what I'm saying? It's like my wife changed the thought or the idea of beauty. You know what i'm saying it's like my wife changed the the the thought of the idea of

beauty you know i'm saying it was it was white girls at her school that used to talk down on her for having an ass and now it's white girls that go and get ass right you know so can't tell me nothing my thoughts behind i mean i did can't tell me i'm for jeezy and his record it was for him okay and i got dj toom to do the drums because I love what you know about that. Oh, let me tell you about when Atlanta took over rap. It was Bone Crusher was the moment. It changed. That's when Atlanta took over.

We ain't never scared. Yes. Because also, you got to understand, I'm like Kobe LeB or Michael Jordan, or Phil Jackson of rap. I study. I understand the game also. I'm not only a client. I'm the player president. I'm the only player.

I'm a coach. But when you say take over from the perspective of what? Because Goody Mob and Outkast and what they was doing was changing. It wasn't. And Outkast and what they was doing was changing the whole shit, too. It wasn't. Now, I'm not going to say that Goody Mob and Outkast, it wasn't as street as T.I. It didn't have all the bitches like T.I. Father God, excuse me for saying bitches.

But the orphanage that I'm creating called Donda. I named that to my mom because my mom saved my life. My mom was like that I'm creating called Donda, I named that to my mom because my mom saved my life. My mom was like, I'm keeping Kanye. This orphanage is going to provide, first of all, the way God is, we already got, what do we call them, bed nurses? All right. So this is like when you go and get your ultrasound, they tell you if your baby's going to come out okay. In hospitals today, they would tell a black mother that the baby not going to come out today because we are inside. Us, as 12 tribes of Judah, as a member of the Hebrew people,

we are still inside of our genocide. 50% of all black deaths a year is abortion. Black deaths? Black deaths a year is abortion. Black deaths? Black deaths a year is abortion. And Plan B was created by Margaret Sanger with the KKK for black population control. Wow. You're getting deep right now, yeah. This is what I cried about during the election.

Those tears is going to be gospel someday. And what am I doing? I know the guy from Texas got a lot of backlash for changing the laws. I'm not in a position. That's not what I'm doing. What I'm doing is providing a plan A opportunity where you can bring your children. If you feel like you can't take care of them, you ain't got a place to take them, you don't have a support system, we got a place that's going to have. You thought that I wasn't going to try to get killed in this interview? Dr. Sebi's diet, based off Dr. Sebi's diet,

saving not only black children, but all God's children, giving an opportunity of a utopia because the reason why we didn't get our 40 acres and a mule is we have 40 acres, we have more people. We have more people and we have leadership with the leaders not strategically taken out of the community

in the 80s and the drugs and guns put into it and then the algorithm, you know what I'm saying? The 808, the 808 exists in the lowest chakra of your body. The majority of content

that's related to the 808 is killer or sexual content. The original 808 was even off pitch. So that meant it's an actual sound in the track that you don't realize

is there that is fucking up your entire frequency. And now today, every time I hear a car come out, it's 808. But if you think about African music and hip hop and what we breakdance to, it was light. The percussion. It was upbeat. It was the drums. Now it's like, and all of this is a bigger.

And it's like, man, you know, at this point, it's like they should have killed me when I said George Bush don't care about black people. I ain't got nothing to say. You know, they, SNL making my wife say I divorced him on TV because they just wanted to get that bar off. And I ain't never even seen the papers. We not even divorced. Wow. So how we, because that ain't no joke to me. My kids want their parents to stay together.

I want their parents, I want us to be together. I want y'all to be together, too. If you look at the media, that's not what they're promoting. That's not what they want. They want it to be a new wedding, a new episode, a new TV show. And then they have people all around, and my wife here. You know what I'm saying? This is publicist that's next to her.

I don't fuck with her. That was as clear as you could say. Oh, you thought I wasn't going to try to get killed this interview. No. All right. So this is a game we play with all our guests. Right?

I got to lay down the booth. We're going to come to music now. Let's get into some games. So this is called Quick Time with Slime, right? Yeah. I do not want to go over my house, and I don't fuck with some of them nannies either. Alright, what's the game? It's called Quick Time with Slime. You can pick

one or the other. You either pick one or the other, or you pick one and, or... You pick both. You pick both or neither. You pick both. You pick both or neither? You pick both, then you take a shot. Yeah, bro. All right.

Neither or both? Neither or both. Okay. Tupac or DMX? Ooh, they same, and they both here right now. Both of them alive. Y'all see, X is on your shirt, so you taking a shot? But I said same.

I said they the same, and they both here right now. That equals a shot, yes. Both or neither is a shot. Oh, you pick both? Am I doing a shot of this? here right now that equals a shot both or neither is a shot are we doing a shot of this yeah you can do a shot of that well I get that well I gotta have the luxury the celebrity version okay shot it's gonna be a shot okay so this this one I don't know you know. Okay, so this one, I don't know where you're going to go with this one.

Common or Talib? Oh, definitely Common. Are you, man. That's Shatown. Oh, no, no, it ain't Shatown. It ain't Shatown. Common is a thousand times better at rapping than Kweli. What you talking about?

No, I got to disagree with you. I'm going to take a shot. I just got to disagree with you. No, you can take a shot. No, you asked me my opinion. Okay, your opinion. That's true. My opinion is like everybody know that common is a thousand.

The only thing I don't like about common is he worked for the Democrats to be saying all kind of like, whatever they tell him to do, this is a light-skinned nigga be doing. John Legend had a good time with Slime. Dude, I wasn't ready. It's different.

It's different. This one, this one I think is going to be a little hard. No, but also, Kweli be getting up and like,

come back home. Home where, nigga? You know what I'm saying? When I wear it, when I got a difference of opinion in Trump hat, it's like, nigga,

Kweli, you single-handedly kept baseball caps in business. You the last nigga with this type of hat on trying to tell me where to come home to. You know what I'm saying? And just turn up. And then when he was on here, he didn't tell you the story about when me and 88 Keys picked him up from his house,

drove to Marina Del Rey, and had breakfast together and vibed out. He didn't tell you that I feel that the Blackstar album is the hardest album since Dark Fantasy. This is the best album since Dark Fantasy. He up here talking about you know it's an agenda. It's all control, man. It's like

you know, crabs in a barrel. Jay-Z got this, my favorite line. He said, but why would crabs be, crabs shouldn't be in a barrel. So how you gonna tell me how crabs are active if they crabs in a barrel. Jay-Z got this, my favorite line, he said, but why would crabs, crabs shouldn't be in a barrel? So how you going to tell me how crabs would act if they're in a barrel? Of course they would, they're in a barrel. What you talking about? But yeah, man, it's like, that's my issue, man.

And all these like, backhand, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, yay, you know, he's a billionaire, but fuck him being a billionaire, he need to be more a billionaire. He doing, he in thin billionaire, but fuck him being a billionaire. He need to be more a billionaire. He in thin air, but he not like Dave Chappelle. He not like down with the people. He not that. Man, you can't tell me what I'm going through in my life and whether I'm with the people and adjustment of how I should be like you.

If I be like you, Kweli, I'll be where you at. Now, if you take the average 99% of people and say, do you want to be Kweli or do you want to be Ye? Most people going to want to be Ye, Kweli. So like you told that, man, don't give me no advice. Go open up a book. Read yourself to death, man. You know what I'm saying? That's another

thing. People be so like, people be so, you know, oh, I'm well read. I'm well read. I can't read that well, bro. I can't count that well. That's not my skill set. But trib so, you know, oh, I'm well-read. I'm well-read. I can't read that well, bro. I can't count that well. That's not my skill set. But tribally, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if that's a real word.

I'm sure it's not quality approved. Drink chances of real world. So tribally, you know, if we was back, you know, in African times, you got to understand Shakespeare created 30% of our language. We speak in a language that's not our own. We speak the drums. That's why it's so hard. That's why it's so hard for it to be a black billionaire, and it's so hard to get a Post Malone.

You know what I mean? Like a white black dude or something. It's very few and far between that somebody can figure it out, because the game and society in America has been made for us to not figure it out. So all these books, America has been made for us to not figure it out. So all these books, when we go to college and we discriminate

against each other because we got this degree, they ain't going to add up to shit to us getting a job for another white person. And I got to say that. You know why?

Because I was separated from my dad and I just now understand what happened. My mom was an actress, but she also had a B plan of being an English professor. And she went for

a gig and she didn't get it, and she went to be a professor. Now, her and my dad are separated, but they, but I was still in town. She got a job offer in Chicago from this white organization, Chicago State University, and it separated me from my best friend.

So I had to grow up around people who didn't understand me, who didn't love me. People was looking at me as an opportunity since I was 14 because I was a prodigy. You know, I've been had industry friends, so to say. Oh, we're going to go here and we're going to get some beats at this nigga. This type of... Because my mom separated me for the opportunity of more money. Society is set

up to have people go away to college, go away here, and in between your dorm room and your college, or in between your hometown and where you got to go to school, it's going to be a bunch of liquor stores. It's going to be a bunch of strip clubs. It's going to be a bunch of malls. It's going to be a bunch of

things that we do that when we don't have that love, like a kibbutz. We need Christian kibbutz. We can have communities. Be as close. Kibbutz? Kibbutz. Jewish people have this type of circular community like a community center no it's like where they live and where we need to live where the grandparents can take care of the kids it's better to have a grandparent

taking care of the kids than a nanny taking kids hired love right right you get i'm saying that we move as a community and as a community we will not fail there's communities that didn't go into slavery like i think it's a masada okay hold on let's just go ahead quick time a slide i don't want to go there all right let me do a shot and i said all that to say that we got our opinion with Kweli. I love Kweli. I never really liked the way he rapped. I was trying to get away from this question. We can never mention Common and Kweli in the same breath. Keep it going.

Okay. Oh, shit. Holy shit. All right. Hurry, man. Push it up or Big Sean? Oh, I love this. Let me tell you.

This ain't nothing quick about this quick time. Let me tell you this right here. Let me tell you this right here. Okay. I already decided. You hear? that when I die on my tombstone, it's going to say

I deserve to be here because I signed Big Sean. So I'm not quite sure of your pick. Yeah, you're not quite sure. Big Sean, he's saying. Big Sean over Pusha T? No, I'm saying that the worst thing I've ever done was sign Big Sean.

That's a beautiful thing. Oh, that's a beautiful thing, man. No. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. The worst. He just said the worst. The worst? That's the best.

Holy shit. You fucked me up right now You fucked my algorithm up Come on I thought you said the best Okay hold on Nah man look They let that

Man I know this man mama bro You know what I'm saying I've changed this man's family And both John Legend And Big Sean When I ran for office Got used quick By the Democrats

To come at They boy That actually changed their life and that's some sellout shit and i don't rock with neither of them and they and i need i need my apologies i ain't saying they're gonna change but niggas are scared i feel you they you know i'm saying anybody ain't got 100 talents they got them under pressure and you still got him signed to your contract is he still on man good when we sign we just we just working for the white labels. We ain't signing nobody. This ain't independent.

Yeezy's the only 100% owned, independent, you know, black owned or whatever. I don't know if it'll be owned after this interview. But you get what I'm saying? Like when we sign somebody, we don't sign somebody. We're signing someone to the bigger Vivendi slave ship. To the bigger universal slave ship. Y'all saying all his tweets was crazy. You know why Prince gave me the song Jail? Because he liked what I did.

And he's like, I like what you did with them contracts. You said Prince gave it to you. Man, he definitely, guess who's going to jail tonight? You know what I'm saying? That's a Gemini spirit to me. Because he was on that tip. People don't know, you're talking about Prince. Ass out Prince.

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It's not going to be quick, man. It's not going to be quick. But by the way, if you want your flowers, it's like, man, if you took Kobe Bryant, Michael Jackson, Prince, the existence of Kanye West, oh, he's so crazy. It's like, okay, well, if I'm crazy and it's up, then it's up. Then it's up. Then it's up. Let me move on to the next question. Biggie or big punt?

Well, Biggie for me, but equal level, they equal geniuses though. I love that. Okay, let's move on. I got to take a shot. No, no, no. You pick Biggie. Yeah, you pick Biggie.

It felt like he said both, but no, you said Biggie. His words get tricky. This is just on a CEO level. This is not artists. This is not just CEO level. One second. You know... Hold on, let me get it off.

Okay, you're going to say something genius. Go ahead, go. With John and Sean. Sean John. What, Sean? Let's just end this. Sean John. No, Sean John? Sean John. No, no, no.

I just thought it was a rap thing. Puff is my goat and twin. Goat and twin. So you're not letting... Okay, let's go. Let's get to it. But with Sean and John, you know, Pusha voted Democrat, voted for Kamala. We ain't seen her since the election either.

And the... I ain't seen you talking about Whole Foods. I ain't seen her since the election either. And the... I ain't seen you talking Whole Foods. I ain't seen you since the election. They got 94% of the black female vote. You would have thought Drake was running. Damn. I feel fucking strange Push it in Come out and outright

Diss me to the public You know what I'm saying because at the end of the day He like man I'm not gonna do that Like I didn't diss Virgil When he took the Louis thing You know what I'm saying these people came out And then John Legend he sounds so white He was like the rapper, the

rapper. It's just like, man, it's like, where is God in this conversation? You know what I'm saying? Who do you work for? Because if you don't work for God, then you're working for the devil. So who are you working for at this point? I'm a man of God.

God got me covered and as long as I'm alive God's not finished. God damn it. All right. Let's make some noise for that. This is just on the CEO level. Jay or Dame? Just CEO. Absolutely thousand percent Dame Dash Oh Riley I need an explanation for this one Cause Dame Dash the visionary

He the original black hipster I'm the devil's worst nightmare I'm Dame Dash with money Wow I don't know how to take that one And I'm also Jay and Dame combined That's why I'm still here You know what I'm also Jay and Dame combined you know what I'm saying

that's why I'm still here you know what I'm saying Dame had the has the vision you see it and this man

I remember what's his name was Steve Rifkin or something yeah he said he said he said oh Dame is in

Jay's pocket hey white boy don't ever speak on me and uh and Dame He said, oh, Dame is in Ye's pocket. Hey, white boy, don't ever speak on me and Dame. Don't ever speak on our situation or me taking care of the man that put me on. Right. Beautiful. Beautiful shit. You know what I'm saying?

Because that's what all you think I'm a man. Not everybody that, not everybody going to make the money. You know what I'm saying? If you got a community, you're going to have people who can figure out how to earn. I was one of Jay's, the Jay's best earner. Anytime he needed that beat, boom. You know what I'm saying? So they never had to work again.

Period. You know what I'm saying? Anything ever need, I'm here. The more and more money I got, this is my family. I'm never going to let nobody speak on our relationship. Make some noise. Beans or the gang? Hmm.

No, Beanie, because even though I talk about... So you went with Beanie? Yeah, Beanie. So no shock at all. Yeah, because of, of You know I always envy You know I was jealous of like Busta Rhymes How perfect he rapped

You know what I'm saying Would you battle Busta in the verses? What you say? Would you battle Busta in the verses? Uh Man I'll battle anybody You know what I mean That's what I'm gonna say

Like that's it I'm sorry Battle anybody I don't care you tell I sell Okay so Be That's what I'm going to say. Like, that's it. I'm sorry. Battle anybody. I don't care. You tell. I sell. Okay, so Beanie, just because I'm like, I'm in that like sophisticated kind of like, if I hooped, I would hoop like D-Rose or Curry or Kobe or something. Like, I'm real like slick.

Like, you just look at my color palette and my whole... I'm on some Puff Daddy, real... And Beanie, all the Rockefeller rappers really had... Freeway was the closest to the ODB, but I used to say when I wanted to rap, I was like, man, I'll cut one of my fingers off to have Busta Rhymes' voice and his skill set. When I wanted to be a rapper back in Chicago. That's fire.

So Beanie is that, man, ooh. Like, we were just listening to, what you do is wrong, wrong. The way he was on the beat. And by the way, here's another thing. I still owe Beanie money, and I've been trying to give him this money for a minute. He's going to get the money. He's going to get the money. I think the member won't get through it. Oh, he been trying to give him this money for a minute. He gonna get the money. He gonna get the money. I think the member won't get through it. Oh, he gonna watch that. Go ahead.

Really? How you owe him money though? I don't understand. Because he made up the name Yeezy. He used to call me Yeezy. Biggs just texted me that. Yeah. Wait a minute. You can speak. So he made up the name Yeezy He used to call me Yeezy

This is the thing People who took a like it to me In volatile situations Would always give me a nickname So it seemed like I was like cool like them So my boy Molly That used to sell guns He's completely legal now

He called me K-Rock you know when when i would be like on 79 for this and stuff like you know so that's like that was beanie's name for me when i was at baseline like on some no that's easy like make him one of us he let me wear a state property chain like he really just embraced me because it was like the most money man you do that was real that's some real shit right there yeah i ain't gonna lie okay and i've been trying to give it to him i was like man this man made up the it's like you know the the lady who made the nike swoosh phil knight went back and made sure she was straight or the lady that made the fidget spinner i don't know if she's straight yet. Who the nigga that made the thong? Because he needed some money too.

Wasn't it Cisco? Alright, you ready? Kiss or fad? Sheesh. Take a shot? The thing is, I'm going to have to say Kiss you know because what do I want to cut my finger off for?

That voice. That voice. And then man, he still, it's so funny man, it's just like people, when I was back in early in my career, rappers used to like stop rapping.

And now it's like niggas just really have something to say and have a great perspective. When I work with architects, the architect I work with that's designing the Donda Orphanage and various things, this architect is 80 years old. He just turned 80 in September.

Look at Pusha T. Look at me. I'm actually 44 years old and he just turned 80 in September Look at like Pusha T Like, look at me I'm actually 44 years old And I'm competing At the highest level At 44, it's like LeBron Or like 7-Ring Brady You know, competing at that level And that's how Jada

And obviously Fab Both of them got bars that I just always loved Also another thing It's like they was in the game before me so me and monop used to ride around chicago monopoly yeah john monopoly we should just ride around and marvel at you know the new swiss beats with them on and just and then mace And then Mase Murder and DMX. And this is like our, man. Like, and I'm going to always look at people that way. You know, the way that I always see them as gods. Right.

As, you know. So this one should be easy for you. Nas or Jay Electronica? Well, it's Nas because that's who... Because Nas is my favorite rapper. Because it's Nas. What do you mean? It's Nas. Nas is Nas. He's like ordained in our video game

to be the best rapper. It's Nas. His name is synonymous with greatest... You know what I'm saying? At the end of the... Except one time I caught him with Vans on.

I didn't like it. Right. I played basketball against him and that's when I knew hip-hop was dead. Yeah, you know, he can't ball for shit.

Oh, he can't ball for shit. Nah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry, Nas. You know I love you. But I do not let him win. His friends be letting him win so he thought he was good. But I let him know.

Not the yalla yalla. I got him. Okay. For Ryle or Timberland? Beat-wise only. I'm going to roll with Timberland because of the sample style and the fact that when he came through Virginia

and Virginia is a very... We're all from Virginia as well, just in case you don't know. They definitely go for her. And that was the shot. That was the shot. Come on, Lee, come on. They go for Virginia. He had me questioning him for a shot. Come on, Lee, give us that. Go for Virginia, yeah.

He had me questioning him for a second. Let's see what happens. Cause Pharrell definitely gonna call you about that one. What do you mean? I'm from Virginia too, yeah. Come on, let's take a shot. Yeah, yeah. Alright, salute.

Salute, salute. Our show is about giving people their flowers. We really want to give you your flowers. We want to give you your praise. You're really one of the most inspirational people in hip-hop. I have never seen anybody, like when Yeezus drop, when the sneakers drop, I see people outside the doors, and it makes me be so proud that I can call you a friend, I can call you a person that I communicate with.

And I really, really am proud of you. And we fucking love you out this motherfucker. We love you. You got to take the shot. It don't count. Hey, Tep, Tep, Tep. Let's do it. So, all right, cool.

We're moving on. Moving on. Holy moly guacamole. This is good. Oh, no, I got to give at least one short explanation about Timberland, the reason why I say Timberland. Because he's from Virginia. That's the reason. I don't like for any... No, it's that kind of Fred Hampton,

Devante, Jodeci, that chord, that church thing, that Detroit, Deep House, Chicago, Deep House, those church chords. That's it. Timberland was one of the,

the main thing that we do at Sunday Service is that we want to do Fred Hammond. We want to get Jodeci. Even when I did this album, Emmanuel, it was a Christmas album, our notes, you would think it's like some Catholic

choir, but the notes have the updated operating system. It has those type of chord progressions. Now, mind you, Pharrell get them chords, though. Because you know why I feel like

Pharrell is actually, you Pharrell is actually lost members of Native Tongue. Did I get that Pharrell is actually You Pharrell Is actually Lost members Of Native Tongue Yeah Did I get that accurate? Yeah Because

Like you guys Weren't tough guys To Quote unquote But You guys Were hip hop Is that accurate?

Or I'm a little I'm a little Habiki got me? Yeah Habiki got you Okay alright MPC 3000 Or I'm a loop. Habiki got me? Yeah. Habiki got you. Okay, all right.

MPC 3000 or MPC 2000 XL? Yeah, the 2000. I use the 2000. So I got to go with the 2000. I don't know. You still using it? Yeah, I still use it. I still use the ASR and the 2000.

Yeah. Okay. Analog or digital? I'll just say analog. Right off the bat. I shoot stuff in 16 millimeter. But we use Pro Tools. Okay.

Right. So, Fat Joe or Ja Rule? Damn. Well, Fat Joe, because I grew up. He had got a flow, Joe. Got a flow, Joe. Got a flow, Joe. Right., Joe. Gotta flow, Joe. Right. Okay. Puff Daddy or Dr. Dre?

Well, Puff Daddy because we twins. I like that. That's enough. Good. Man, also, he got that... You know what I mean? It's just like... Puff a Gemini? Nah, he ain't a Gemini, is he?

That's that. Puff everything, man. Is he a Gemini? He everything. Yeah, that's like what consequence. It's like, that's that bop. Like, you know, it's just like Puff's bop that's closer to, like, Dre's got his bop. It's like the West Coast bop.

But I really was like on some trying to put the shakers and you know, trying to be all the hit men in one. So Swiss Beats or Just Blaze? Well, Swiss Beats definitely because Just Blaze is a copycat. You know, he get credit for the blueprint and I did the first half of the blueprint and he just copied my half and got, I mean, look, look where I'm at today. Look where he at today.

So that's to show you. No, what do you mean? I be hearing my, and then it be all over the radio. I have my girl from Chicago will be a hot 97. It's like, listen to the radio. It'd be another Just Blaze song. Another Just Blaze song.

Make this for me. I'll be here. All right. No, I like the originators, man. Okay. I don't mind like, you know, the copycats too. And the way, you just gotta say it like it is You know what I'm saying? I'll say, if somebody copied me

I'll be like, you copied me You know what I'm saying? I'll tell Trav, like, yo, you copied me, boy And it's like, but But I love you But just know what it is, you know what I'm saying? We ain't gotta be, no, but, hey, man It's our community, man We could, like, we just be's our community, man We can like We just be

This other thing When I had the record Where I'm saying Virgil And Drake Just because I say Somebody's name Don't mean it's a beef record Right

It's not beef I ain't saying nothing It's not hatred I just said I put these two Men on the same text I said Stop it with the funny mess

Like Don't Man, we ain't operating You just rhyme Yeah Put the two on the same text Stop it with the funny mess That's what That't, man, we ain't operating. Just rhyme. Yeah. Put the two on the same text. Top it with the funny mess. That's a ball?

Yeah, that's on the song. I'm naming, I'm saying names because I don't like subliminals. I don't like sub, subs, sub with sub bait, you know, 808s. I don't like nothing where I can't see. It's like, just be straightforward. You know, whatever it is, I honor that. You know, I respect that. You know what I'm saying?

I got to, hey, this is how I feel. This is how you feel. And let's talk on that way. Let's not talk through no managers. Let's not talk through no assistants, no bodyguards, nobody using you. You hit me direct. Yeah, right?

You hit me direct. You You said who are you talking to I was like Who He said Informally known as Kanye It's that nigga It's that nigga He said it in Believer

I was like I believe it Informally known as Kanye That's him That's him Alright cool Okay Busta or Missy

They both from Virginia now Yeah I'm just playing I'm just playing Nah but I look at them as Different genres though A bit

But you talking about like If it's videos Artists Yeah Or whatever in your mind Yeah whatever in your mind Is the criteria that you create That's same actually

Same Take a shot then god damn it Come on baby We outside. Where your cup at? I'm looking for the valet chanchi. Where my cup at? I don't got my own shot glass.

How you got a shot glass? What you been doing? I been doing this, motherfucker. How you doing? Salud. What is that? You drinking mamajuana again? Mamajuana.

Mamajuana. Please don't confuse your cup with that shit. Representing. Dominicanos, hey. Hey, I'm sorry. You know I love y'all Dominicans, but mamajuana, not so much. confuse your cup with that shit. Dominicanos, hey. Hey, I'm sorry. You know I love y'all Dominicans, but not so much.

But I love my Dominicans. Okay. Yo, let me tell you, I want to make clear why I have a major problem with the publicist because she promotes fear. And if my wife can be scared, who the main person is she going to be scared of? And then after that, who my kid's going to be scared of? If you promote the idea of fear

and reading every single comment and being her ear all the time, giving these mid-level suggestions. Not one suggestion I would ever take from this person, but all the suggestions I gave my wife, now she on the cover of Vogue. Now she a multi-billionaire. But now my relationship is, and then whenever it's something about our press or what the kid's name is, he part of putting that information out, but then she over my house. And I told her on the phone a week ago,

I said, I'm being nice. I want to keep playing with me. If it's up, then it's up. Because at the end of the day, I got to protect my children at all costs. And if they're using their version, I'm using my version because guess what? I could get Nori's number.

And what's my daughter's name? Nori. By the way, one of my best compliments I ever had in my whole life. We was going to see you perform, to watch you perform. This is the first time I think you did the circle, when you was in the circle. And you grabbed your wife. I was with my wife.

You grabbed your wife, and you grabbed her, and you pulled her over to me. And the E cameras was right in my face. I turned red. I didn't even know I'm brown. I turned red. I'm like, I just wanted to say hi to you. And you said, this is who we named our daughter after. And that's the biggest compliment I ever got.

It's two of the biggest compliments I love. It's when you did that and when Kormega said, you learning on the job and you winning. And I don't know how to thank you. I don't know. Do I get a free beat or something? Yeah. Hold on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Do I get a free beat or something? Yeah. Hold on.

Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Because this is so great. Okay, Outkast or UGK? Oh, I got to stay finished. Yeah, Outkast for me. Oh, okay.

That was pretty cool. Scarface or Ice Cube? That's another one. I just talked to Scarface yesterday. It's so crazy. And then, you know, I'll be hanging with Cube. Shit. For me...

So, Shaq? I'm trying to see who influenced me more. I like Cube better personally for, like, if I play his... But Scarface is more influential to me as a rapper and to everyone as a rapper. He's another important part because when Scarface switched his style, when he started turning his words

like around like Mary Mary I got the love forming in my life and indeed another form of life Jay would add that Scarface flowed his flow. I'm talking about people who added to the flow you get i'm saying it's not a specific thing where people could even rap like ice cube because rap ice cube until he like really did the yay yay and like added a style to it his style was

kind of similar to mine where it's like it was sort of you couldn't pinpoint it you couldn't imitate it you couldn't it was just like cube me and it. You couldn't. It was just like Cube. Me and Cube is both Geminis. We both saying the same thing. We're both from Virginia. You're a Gemini. Now he's a Gemini too. My wife's a Gemini. Y'all taking this Gemini way too far.

Specifically Geminis. Yeah, Geminis got the most goats in rap though. Okay, so basically you're saying Cube. Biggie's a Gemini. No, you're saying Space. Oh, you're saying Cube. I'm saying Taste. Like, my music is, I love both of them, but I'm going to say Cube.

But I'm going to say Scarface is more influential as a rapper because he added. Like, you got to look at rap like it's the NBA. And it's certain people. Remember Kobe used to shoot up like this or like AI. You know, people have added things to the overall game. Half of the NBA is like number 23. People and Scarface added something to it that people don't pinpoint enough. And that's specifically when he did that.

I would like to get into the science of rap and the science of music. We can get into that. Go ahead. We're going to move on though. Travis Scott or Kid Cudi? Kid Cudi. Because Travis is a mix of me, Cudi, and Rocky.

Jesus. Okay. Little Baby or Da Baby? Man, what I was saying is like, hmm. No, because they both are equally adding something new to rap itself. Like, it's mad people that rap. Like, people just rap like little babies.

There's so many people just rap like little babies. You could pick both. Well, pick one. Okay. You can pick one. Take a shot. If you pick both, it's not like you said both.

I'm going to go with Lil Baby. Okay. Because I did say Lil Baby is my favorite rapper. Because the thing is, when I just hear his raps, you know, he was on,

it was a concert playing. And it just put me into a mode. It's like he hit something. And, you know, that's what, like, rap, it got to. And that's the thing. That's what, like, rappers, I feel, like, lose that ability to really put people in that mode where they want to, like, do better at business, work out, create, whatever they want to do. It's like, if you lose your, because it ain't nothing. It's nothing I said in this interview that's not what I would say in this interview.

In real life. Yeah, not that I wouldn't feel. And I think it's interesting that it comes off as shocking in any way. Because I'm not really saying nothing shocking. It's like, you know, you know John Legend going to always show up and just do whatever them folks tell him to do, man. You know. That's not a shocking thing, man. I'm too much into this.

Okay, Wu-Tang or N.W.A.? Definitely Wu-Tang. Would you have me stumped if you said Wu-Tang or Mobb Deep? Wu-Tang or Mobb Deep? Too late. They're both from Virginia. All right. Damn, I'm going to skip this one.

I'm going to go great or ghost? Sheesh. Is this your turn? Well, ghost. Okay. Because I'm a little bit more on the spectrum. I'm a little bit more on the crazier side of things. So I have a tendency to have been emotional in the past and to do things in an emotional way.

And the funny thing is people say after an interview that, oh, yeah, you made it harder for yourself. I said, no, I made it easier for myself. Don't text me, nigga. I don't want the cap. Like, nigga. I don't want the cap. Like, period. I don't like caps. I made it. I want to simplify my amount of friends, you know, my amount of people that I go over to their crib or to their spot and stuff.

So, yeah, go ahead, though. Okay. I wasn't ready for none of this. Phone flex or Kick It Free? Oh, snap. DJ-wise, obviously. Yeah, Funk Flex, because it was a part of, you know, people have hoop dreams, you have rap dreams.

Funk Flex, voice, or you play it. I still be like, we play Otis. There is no Otis without Funk Flex. There's no Fabio On the album Without Funk Flex I heard him do the freestyle On Funk Flex And got him a jet

Far and far Yeah To Atlanta I was hoping You was going to fly me out I was like Yeah I wanted to be

Flewed out Yeah I like that term Yeah so It's funny Cause Chris Rocker We had the song Me and Jay had the song

Ham And I was very into that Tempo The 60 Or 120 50 That tempo

That niggas of Paris Eventually ended up being And for people That now like I remember Boo called me like Is that your He texted me That's your first single

Niggas of Paris Or No Ham Ham. Was it Ham? Now, mind you, Ham was the first time we ever saw the Givenchy dogs, because we had Givenchy, Ricardo Tisci, head designer that did the gold cover,

that was doing all the rock wilders, did that cover. The first time we ever actually saw the dog was on me and Jay-Z for a single, Ham. So, I remember LeBron was losing in a championship and

it actually said, who's watching the throne? And I took a track off of what was going to be my album Follow Up to Dark Fantasy that I heard when we all was at dinner and it was the Otis sample. And I chopped it up and I was going go to milan to do something

in fashion and i was about to be late for the flight i had a dancy snapback on and a tank top and a mercer just chopping up uh otis because i was like yo we're not gonna lose this game we're not gonna lose this game no matter what i'm gonna give you all this we're gonna i took new day off on my next album. I took Otis on my next album. And we got into this big argument because he had this song called Holy Grail that he had Justin Timberlake sing it on. With Justin Timberlake on it. And I was like, we need to put this on his album.

And then he's like, nah. And that's why everybody knows Jay is very selfish. And we had a very like. Damn, I didn't know this. Go ahead. Come on. It's Jay-Z, man. I got Ace of Spades. I love him. Go ahead. Come on, it's Jay-Z, man. I got Ace of Spades.

I love him. I love him. Go ahead, continue. No, we all love him but he's very selfish and that was a he'll say, he's like,

man, I'm selfish. I'm selfish. Okay. So, he wouldn't give that song. I'm like, man, I'm giving all of this. Okay, so what you're saying

is Holy Grail was originally supposed to be on Watch The Throne? No, it was supposed to be on his album. Okay. And I said, we need this because we don't need to be

losing like Kyle LeBron and them that just lost in this championship. He wanted to make the album better. I wanted to make the album better. He wanted to say the album. It's something that I heard that...

And that's when y'all fell out? No, we fell out many times. It was my brother. Okay. So, whenever you do some J shit and I do some yay shit, we don't say shit. Right. That's some real shit.

That's some real shit. That's some real shit. Yeah. So, when I get lifted, I don't know why John Legend voice just came up into my head right now. That's the drinks Oh my god Oh my god

I'm so ready for this Alright so So anyway What were we talking about? You can move that Holy Grail Holy Grail Holy Grail We got mad about that

I was like How I'm giving all this And you ain't giving The equal amount And I find that in life Period I find that You know

I love Jay So much It's like I love the city of Chicago So much And It was always like the same thing with Jay or Chicago. They always wanted it to be somebody more gangster.

They didn't want it to be Ye. With Kim, maybe she wanted to be a ball player or something. It was like nobody wanted it to be Ye or with the Elfie Mays group, they wanted it to be somebody that's more controllable.

They didn't want it to be they didn't want it to be yay. And it's always like this uphill battle. I just could never erase the way Tata would look at me sometimes when I go to

the studio. And I always felt like it was an air that like no matter how big you get, nigga, fuck you. You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. And that's how he always makes me feel. So whenever I like get mad at Jay, I get mad at Tata at the same time.

I always like kind of pull him into the same thing. Because you know you'll never forget that. You know what I'm saying? Like, nigga, what's wrong with my polo? Like, you ain't going to look me into a throwback. I'm going to keep my polo on.

Actually, but they wore, people, all the Rockefeller wore throwbacks because of me, real talk. Because I would go down to Atlanta and they had the Mitchell and Ness stand in the middle of the Lenox Mall and I'd take my little producer money and I was just, I'm a garmento at the end of the day. My family made the first bootleg Louis Vuitton jogging suits because they would like, when they would confiscate the drugs

inside the Louis Vuitton bag, they'd cut up the bags. My family went and would take the patches and put them on the clothes. So that means, like, when they had Howard Hughes died, they called it the Aviator. My film's going to be called Garmento, because I am the biggest person, like I said, in every interview I've ever been in,

the biggest person that ever existed in fashion. You could Google it for the past three years. Yeezy's been the number one most Googled brand, most valuable brand on the planet. Don't hit the horns, Don't hit no claps. I'm still in the midst of something. Okay. Go, go, go.

But somehow we drifted to the clothing. You're the biggest nigga in fashion. Let's stick with you there. No, no. It was something in the train of thought that I wanted to say before I got to the thing about my family. You was talking about the throwbacks. Throwbacks, yeah. So I would come back to Baseline, and I have, like, the Astros on or something.

And then Jay would be like, you know, where you get that from? I was like, Atlanta. Then I'd come with another one. He's like, oh. I'd come with a third one. I'd say, what, you live in Atlanta, nigga? So also, Don C always been, like, on, like, that, you know, hype beast, kind of like selling clothes online since day one, back when the back when the letters was green on the computer screen. And he would be buying stuff for cheaper.

And Fab would go and buy his throwbacks from Don. Fab the artist. And it's before Don became our manager. Right. But by the time when me and Don came together, we really, that's what Jim Jones would tell you, that's where we revolutionized it. Because we used to sit there and be like, when we get money, niggas ain't finna be able to

see us. When we get this money, it was me and Don would just be sitting there like, yo, when we get this, and when I got it, went to the Louis store, got all these Louis bags, started doing the shoots with that. I even bought like the louis suede it kind of looked like this jacket and stuff it's this one shoot where i got the glasses

the jacket the louis bags and he's like what are you doing all that that that louis luggage and stuff i don't know it made it made me feel regal or something like or some coming to america type uh type vibe so now don got a store now, I'm in the process of, you know, I've asked nicely to get my own Balenciaga store because I like my pull. You know, sometimes people say they go to Balenciaga store

and they'll be like, man, they don't look like how Ye and Kim be looking and this and that. Like, and I'm like... Your pull means your pick, right? My pick are the clothes that I pick. What is the affiliation with Balenciaga?

Because a lot of people got mad at Gucci when Gucci came out with this lips where they was mocking black people. A lot of people thought that. But Balenciaga and Gucci, are they related? Yeah, it's the same group. It's Francois Pino. It's one of my favorite people I like These are my What do you call Not counterparts

But like when y'all work in the same field Your peers? Yeah these are my peers Bernard Arnault is my peer Pino is my peer Renzo Rosa is my peer Elon is my peer Bezos is my peer

Jack Ma is my peer I just want my peer. Did you ask this guy? Bezos is my peer. Jesus. Jack Ma is my peer. Jesus. I just want y'all to understand who my peers are. Jesus. Jesus. That's fine. All the rest is dead. Yeah, yeah.

Holy shit. Okay. Those are your peers. Steve Jobs, Disney, Hughes. Okay. Okay. Now, yes, this is the same company, but, man, how about we start owning some stock or some land? What we own?

Braids? You can't have braids. What we own, the N-word? You can't say nigga. But you can't buy your house. You telling somebody what they can't do? The person that own the block can say whatever the fuck they want to say.

And we're talking about this our block. You don't own the block. And you know how you own the block. First of all, it's saving. What you're financially doing, it's the way you're taking care of the block. But that's easy for me to say, right? I had both my parents.

I'm amazingly attractive and talented. You know, but we are put, like we say, crabs in a barrel. We are in a barrel. We're not, we're not with the 40 acres and a mule. And the more and more we look at, like the numbers on YouTube with this,, like, the numbers on YouTube,

you know, the bus. I don't even got a watch right now. A pastor gave me a Timex that I wore. I had that one where I had, like, this. 200. Yeah. I actually bought it that day, and I gave it away that day. Where was I at?

You missed that giveaway. No, it's this pastor. And he had no idea what that watch was. When I was taping, I was at a church called Grace Farms that's designed by these architects that I love named Sana out of Japan. This is where I went. Boom. So that shit at the bottom of the screen. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

So the pastor was talking to me. He said something. He's like, man, you know why racism? Because he's a white pastor, so he wouldn't just instantly talk to me about racism. He said, man, racism is wrong. It's because, you know, God don't make junk. And I was thinking, like, don't say it like that, man.

Don't worry. He's like, no, that's not your explanation for racism. But this man, I'm talking to him about, man, I want to pull my family back together. I'm assuming this interview is not that helpful to that. It is. I don't think it'll hurt. Don't worry about it. You're good.

Yeah, I think so because I got to get to people about the life that shouldn't be in the life. That's my wife at the end of the day. So it's like I'm using it because, by the way, I can't do nothing illegal, but this is legal. Ain't it? So I'm the priest of my home. So if I need the nanny to get up out there and the publicist to get out there, that's what. Yeah, that this is legal. Ain't it? So I'm the priest of my home. So if I need the nanny to get up out there and the publicist to get out there, that's what... Yeah, that's your family, man.

That's my family. That's my family, E. That's my family, Hulu. That's my family, Hulu. That's my family, Hulu. You know what I'm saying? Y'all should have killed me if George Bush don't care about black people. It's up now. Hulu. Real shit.

You know what I'm saying? Y'all should have killed me at George Bush. Don't care about black people. It's up now. Yeah, it's up. It's up. And this is my family also. That's why I'm here. That's why I'm here.

Let me ask you. Let me ask you. One of the, one of the beautiful things. Get lifted. It's my family. And ass, ass, ass, ass. I said, man, do not make your first song be called ass.

I always want to make a song that if I'm going through the airport and people sing my song, it's my theme music. When you go through the airport, everybody screams out, ass, ass, ass, ass. Got to make you laugh, though. So one of the beautiful things I see seen you do is after DMX passed. Give me my tombstone. Go ahead. After DMX passed, you not only designed the shirt that I got on right now, but you also attended the funeral. That's a good circle. The head of Balenciaga designed that shirt.

Oh, okay. And that's when we started building a relationship because he did a Halloween costume. First of all, he worked at Yeezy season one. So we were all... Wait a minute, wait. The head of Balenciaga worked at Yeezy? Yes.

Holy shit. So we're in the apartment where my wife got robbed. In France? Yes. So this was before then. And inside of this, we got Kim Schraub, the head of Skims. She used to be creative director at Yeezy. I brought over the Skims. They had these weird black

wire bras and stuff like that. And I was like, I'm going to give you my creative director because the people that you're in business with, they just trying to use your name. They don't really care about the product. And usually that's how these numbers guys are. And then they start seeing people love the product. Oh, so we care about the product. Okay. In the department, you had Jerry Lorenzo. You had Virgil Abloh. You had Kim Schraub. You

had me. You had a few others. I have Lucette, who's a head shoe designer at Yeezy. Now we have Mark Minor, who got from Nike. He's the head of Yeezy Adidas. And you have Demna, the head of Balenciaga. That's what I'm saying. I'm a community builder. I'm going to put together the right people at all times. But the people that have in the past been in a position of power going to try to separate Jay and Dame,

separate my mom and my dad, separate me and Virgil. You see the pattern? That makes it impossible for black Wall Street. But Wall Street, you know, forever begins simply because I thought about it the way Common said. I thought of our community growing when we don't, when we're not forced to make the choice of whether or not we can afford to have a child. When we're not forced to say, I'm going to have to kill this nigga because he said this and this. You know, you never hear about Jewish on Jewish crime. You know, they kill each other in business in a different kind of way, but not actually physically taking a life. So when me and Q went into business on a big three,

what I said, I said to him, I said, what we have to do to honor God is we're going to be noble. We're not killing each other on business. Business always be like 30 page contracts and us doing a getting some, I don't negotiate. I don't do a contract that's more than one page. It's very hard to get me to sign something at all. Why I need to sign something? I pay cash. I don't even pay monthly. I just pay, I pay half and half. Somebody like, oh, I want, you know, 300 a year, 200 or whatever. I'm like, give me your account number and then get that 150. And in six months, if you did a good job, you get another 150. If you run off after six months, if you did a good job, you get another 150.

If you run off after six months, then we just ain't going to be working again until you apologize. Because I'm the most forgiving person. Because I still believe in you even when you being less than you are. I got to realize that people taking advantage of me, that's something, that's them,

their lives being taken advantage of. You know, because I'm a walking Vic. I'm a target. I just say yes to anything. I just can't say no. I'm here to only say yes. That's the key to life. You get what I'm saying?

Jim Carrey in the movie, Yes Man. Yeah, Yes Man. I'm the Yes Man. Anybody, someone, you want my... When me and my dad bonded, my dad used to have to say, I'm working on this water purification center. I found this new spot. It's going to cost us a million to buy the land.

And my dad is pitching to me. My dad ain't had to do one thing for me. He only had to do one thing, nut. He ain't got to do nothing. That's all my dad ever had to do was nut. He ain't got to ask me for nothing else. He made me. I told my dad the other day, I said, look,

call Andre, who's my cousin. He used to work at Ernest Young. I'm always screaming at him. He does accounting right now. I said, call Andre. Anything in my account is available to you. And if you spend it all up, I'm just going to make more money.

Wow. Jesus. And that's a multi-billion dollar situation. That means every dream that the real Steve Jobs, my dad had, my dad, the real Steve Jobs, but he didn't make gold digger. He didn't get the Yeezy.

He didn't have the opportunity. But guess what? He made an earner. Like hoop dreams. Like when somebody's son make it to the league. I made it to the league. My dad is a Christian counselor. My dad sleep in homeless shelters and counsel

people. My dad has a water purification center in the Dominican Republic. I'm just my dad. Everything I do that has any kind of nobility in that place is of my dad. Anything I do that in that place is of my dad. Anything I do that's an entertainment

is of my mom. And my mom, and education. Because my mom is, you know, an educator. So what I'm saying is, but I would be

the type of person that's making my dad give me a PDF. Right. You my dad. Right. I know, I know about your girlfriend,

Sadie. Listen. Where did we go with this? But moving forward, right? Father God. We went from PDF to titties, man. PDF titties. I know what you used some of that money on.

But moving forward, right? Because we spoke on the phone. It was a great conversation. This is not things that a man of God should do or say. And one of the things that you said to me was you're out of Def Jam. And I felt like you related being out of Def Jam

and changing your name in like the same category. And what's the question on that? Because I'm so... My question is why like after all these years what are you doing moving forward are you going to be independent

like is your next album going to be on Ye it's going to be on your label or how does this work I'm going to go public my thought that I'm that I have right now that I'm going to say

I have to put it into fruition so other people can figure out how to make it is my I have the biggest brand on the planet, uh, with Yeezy, with Donda, you know, the richest man on the planet is a Bernard. I know his last two employees used to work for me. Jesus. So we have the biggest brand. We moved the gap stock by $2 billion in like an hour when you put my name next to it. And so I'm going to go, I'm going to take myself public and create a universal basic income

and go public for a T. Like publicly traded public? Do we all know what a T is? No. A trillion. Yeah, but publicly traded, publicly, that's me, right? Yes, and make a universal,

not even universal basic income, but universal wealth. Because if everybody has $100,000 a year, some people can spend it on their own right, right, but it changes what we value. Right now, they pumping so many logos and so many, you know, all the wrong kind of concepts.

But it's inside of us. We collectively are God. We as a collection, God is in us. So collectively, we are God. As we move, like when they move around Mecca, when you see that, you see God inside of that, the way those people are moving. Once we move and we realize that we just all have to be on one accord, like to do what Quincy Jones did in the studio, but do that to our life, that we all in one accord. When I go and say something that's about Drake, about John Legend, I'm just tuning the note so that we could play a symphony. I'm glad you keep going. I'll be scared to stop you now, man.

This is... Okay, holy moly. I forgot we're still on QuickTime and Slimes. Okay, this is the last one. Fuck it, because I got more, but this... Oh, no, I got got more but it's oh no i got two more that's it yeah mob deep or mop or mob deep but with mob deep my favorite um group so bringing up queen's price right now keep going yeah mob mob deep is my favorite group you know yeah that's beautiful and then it's collective it's like a tie between wu-tang and Tribe, but Mobb Deep is a quiet storm. It's like, you know what I mean? I just feel very like, just even the way I present myself now, what I'm doing, the leather, this, that, just feels very... Mobb Deep had this slickness to it. I know it's like belly, the beginning of belly.

When I was here, think about Quiet Storm. Quiet Storm looks like the beginning of belly. And that's what I love. I have the most Hype Williams videos out of any artist of all time. Meaning you spend that money. Yeah. Me and Hype are good friends. People used to say, y'all ain't going to get along.

Y'all both assholes. This is my best, best, best best best friend Is Hype Williams And What I liked is Man He made Ja Rule Look like Eight feet tall He knew how to

He knew how to And by the way Ja Rule is Ten feet tall inside You know what I'm saying We kings at the end of the day So I'm not saying this Because I would never say nothing

To ever disrespect Irv Gotti Or Ja Rule i've rocked with them i love them irv is my man uh if i say something that i said whatever i said with john or big sean or trap whatever these are the things i honestly this is how i honestly feel as far as like irv gadi i love irv gadi is like, just, I just can't even just express the amount of love. So I don't even want that to even be taken as like no halfway, slight whatsoever. It's our family too.

It's our family too. So he, you know, he showed us as kings. You know what I mean? It's like, you know when we do these cameras, if you take the camera, we get, some of the things I would do is like put a camera this way that goes this direction because you're gonna look like a god he took that camera a little bit lower and when you sit it my dad was a photographer also so he explained that to me and you look a certain kind of way the press the way they paint us you know will make us feel like that's all we could be and that that it makes our ceiling like that's all we could be. And it makes our ceiling like that.

But hype went in and painted us a certain kind of way. And when you saw Belly, they made sure it wasn't one after that. I did them two listening sessions, right? Them three listening sessions. This shit was the craziest shit ever. In Chicago, I brought my mama home to show so now the man said out there what marilyn manson we're doing a gd anthem like we just it's up right

was it was it some listening sessions after that did oh could live nation figure out a listening session oh oh we to open it next spring. Hype Williams. We're going to take all that making people look like who they are shit up out of here. We'll get down on up out of here. Better. What did you say? Elon Musk or Nikola Tesla? Nikolai.

Nikolai Tesla. I don't want the beat. Good. Well, I got to say, Elon, you know, because we be too, that's another thing. We be too like in the past, bro. Right. Great. Tesla, great. But, you know, Elon making my cars now.

Elon making my rockets now. Elon making me smoke weed with my Joe Rogan. We're Nori over here. Wait, not, not mine with R. You know what I'm saying? It's like,

it's like Black History Month. Cancel, right, put this, put this on Black Twitter right now. Yay says,

cancel Black History Month. Why? I need Black Future Month. I need Black Possibility Month. I'm tired of seeing us getting hosed down. I'm tired of talking about slavery and how we should only be so lucky to vote

for a woman we ain't seen since the election. We should... Jesus, can't go there. Lars, Lars, Professor or Primo? I'm trying to get off of this. Y'all thought I wasn't going to get killed by the end professor or primo. I'm trying to get off of this. Y'all thought I wasn't going to get killed

by the end of this interview. I'm doing everything I can, bro. No, we can't. No more black kids. This is here to remind you of who they want us to be and not who we really are, bro.

The over, and you know when I say they, who there's over, lapping they. Niggas let the college be talking about. They don't want you to eat a sandwich. Yeah, yeah, The over And you know when I say they who there's over Lapping they They don't want you to eat them sandwiches Yeah yeah cause they don't love you They will put up with you But they do not love

Us in that way and they Are afraid Of what is inevitable You ever seen the kid In Tiananmen Square in front of the tank Yeah absolutely Yo I got a gun pulled out on me Inevitable. You ever seen the kid in Tiananmen Square in front of the tank? Yeah, absolutely. Yo, I got a gun pulled out on me like about three weeks ago. I was out in Belgium because I had the full mask on.

Was it a white mask? No, a full black, full mask on. So the cop came, but when he came, he had the gun out at the beginning. And I was like, well, I guess this is it. So the cop came, but when he came, he had the gun out at the beginning. And I was like, well, I guess this is it. You said that out loud? No, that's just what I thought. I was like, well, because if he's going to pull the, I'm like, nigga.

What? Nigga, don't play with me. I want to see my mama. What? You know what I'm saying? God used people like this. You know, that I could come right here and let y'all know y'all entrapped. Ain't made it nowhere.

Y'all aiming at the wrong people. I love Drake. I love Drake Lucien. How you like that one? How you like that one? I love Drake Vivendi. How you like that one? I love Drake Disney. How you like that one? I love Drake Disney.

How you like that one? Why don't y'all collaborate and listen? Come get me. What y'all going to do? Y'all going to meet to me? Y'all going to come up with some type of scam? Y'all going to come up with something? Y'all going to try to take me?

No, God had me for a reason because if I was at Nike, you think I'd have been able to wear a red hat? You think I'd have been able to have an opinion? You think I'd be able to have an opinion? You think I've been able to show you we can have an opinion? That's all you needed to see. We are not immune from who we influenced by. Right here, I'm here to like, light it up,

then I'm gone. But after an interview like this, I did my job. But if I hadn't come to you and said this, and kept it to myself, then God couldn't have used me. You know what I'm saying? I only fear God, as I said. And I'm not always obedient. You know, it's a lot going on. It's a lot going on out here. You know what I'm

saying? I fall short. They say Moses killed the man and all the, you know, before God called on him, man, our freedom is, first of all, let's do everything we can to keep our children. There's a foundation that has been started, actually bumped into the gentleman whose dad started a foundation in Israel that gives money to women who are thinking about not having a baby. And that's the exact time that I'm on. That's what we on. That's what we on. We on God time now. Somehow I made it this far, man, you know, to be able to give y'all this information. Beautiful.

Thank you, by the way. Yeah, praise God, bro. And that's, I'm telling you, I know it's also kind of funny when I'm talking about John and Big Sean and, you know what it is? It'd be funny, it's like people, it hurt. It hurt us, people who love me.

Like, Charlemagne loved me, but he had to, you know, put Biden on the thing. And think about this happened. When Biden, remember he said, Charlemagne, if you didn't vote for me, then you're not black. What did that show you? That showed you how comfortable he was and how much they talked before that. And you know what must have happened afterwards? They got in the room like, y'all niggas done fucked up.

I ain't supposed to be showing that y'all like that. Right. That y'all like that. That y'all like that, John Legend, Sean. This some 1984, bro.

This mind control. This population control. Rise up, man. Look inside of you, man. So, we going with Lars Pro or Primo? Primo Primo? Yeah

Alright this is the last one MJ or Prince? We can drink for that Yeah you know that's gonna be equal Okay Would you like a Habiki? Yeah I'd do that How you gonna do that? going to be equal. Okay. Would you like a Habiki? Yeah, I'd do that. How do you want to do that?

Help him out, Mr. Lee. You know, I'll put my own drink to this one. Okay, that's all right. Let's go. That's cool. Go ahead. Michael Jackson. You met Michael Jackson?

Yes, I did. You meet Prince, too? Yeah, he said Prince. I met Prince. So both of them were fighting a fight similar to what I'm at Prince So both of them were fighting a fight Similar to what I'm fighting But they were fighting it For there to be more Michael Jacksons

For there to be, yay For there to be Drake Is what they fought for So now what I'm fighting for Is the ability for there to be Elons of us For there to be Bernard Arnault's Of us

Because until we're at to be Bernard Arnault's of us. Because until we're at the level of Arnault, we're going to be clapping for just getting a job for Arnault. Until we're to the level, you know what I'm saying? When LeBron wins the championship, he looks at this white lady that owns the team and says, I told you

I was going to win for you. That's the part I don't like. That's the part because if you king, then let's be kings. That's the part we start up our own league. And I'm here battling for us, for our freedom, to be able to build our communities and not be in a position where we have to kill half of ourselves every year. Okay, now I didn't hit a third rail. That was a third rail.

Did we take a shot? I don't know. Let's take a shot. Salud, salute, salute. Goddamn, Kanye. He gave us Kanye. Holy moly. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs,

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