Drink Champs - Episode 288 w/ Ghostface Killah & Raekwon

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary Ghostface Killah and Raekwon.Rae & Ghost talk everything, from their Wu Tang journey to where they are today! Lots of great stories that you don't want to miss.Make some noise for Ghostface Killah and Raekwon!!!💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're talking about the legendary, the impeccable, the supreme magnetic Ghostface Killian. We're going to check. Thank you Lord. Ghostface Killian Ray Cornishat! Make some noise! Now Ghost, I want to start with you. Recently, because you're all my homies, I still wanted to do research. So I went and I watched the documentary.

I watched everything I could watch. But recently, The Baby. You know what's watch But recently The Baby You know what's going on with The Baby And the controversy The Baby? No not The Baby I'm bugging Travis Scott excuse me With the concert?

With the concert Right So you heard what's going on? Yeah people got bodied that day right? Right So immediately I go and I look at the documentary and one of the parts of the documentary

is Ghost coming out saying, fuck Hot 97, right? I immediately related to. I'm like, that could have happened then. If y'all would have said, fuck Hot 97, and niggas would have said, yo, we walking off.

And y'all would have walked off it would have been the same type of like I don't know if y'all know how important it was like cause if you look at that footage when you say fuck Hot 97

the whole crowd agrees with you like your whole crowd agrees with you. Like your whole crowd is like, word. Like we've been wanting to say this but you did it in Hot 97 at their event, Summer Jam. Let's, let's,

oh yeah. Let's get that Habiki going. Give Ray one too. Give Ray one too here. So let's describe. According to the documentary, right? Let me just help out What a shot. According to the documentary, right? Let me just help out a little bit. According to the documentary,

y'all on a rage against the machine. Exactly, exactly. And so this is the only date y'all not getting paid. Y'all getting paid for the rage against the machine. Right. But y'all come to New York.

This is the land of, this is y'all home town. Yeah, that's it, yeah. And you see the crowd. They was going to strip us. Richard kept saying like, yo, we don't make that event. They liable to take us off of radio. Wow.

You know what I mean? Yeah, it was like they take us off of radio. So we had to make a decision like, yo, leave the event, leave the talk, or just come and just come do this. Right. And yeah, we went. We left the fucking Rage. Right. I don't think that was, I think that was not so much of a good idea to leave that.

Because y'all could have went straight back on the tour, the Rage tour, right? Yeah, could have. I don't think so. Oh, y'all left the tour all together. Like, after that, you couldn't go back to it. I don't recall even jumping back on that. Did we jump back on that, right? Nah, I think y'all quit after that

But then again nah I think we had some shit going on But then jumped in and jumped back out But I don't know It might have been over Yeah but I remember it was a big debate Because half of us didn't want to do it And the other half was like Yo it's politics

Cause I believe in that same tour of us didn't want to do it right and the other half was like yo it's politics right because i i believe in that same tour um you have a platinum party and in that platinum party y'all go to the hood because y'all want to rage against the machine so i believe witness risa said yeah we went platinum and we on the we performed for the white boys but but we had to come here tonight to celebrate the pride. How is that? Like, because I kind of never, I never was on tour with an alternative act other than, like,

more than two days. So how was that? Because did y'all realize that y'all still hood with y'all commercial? Nah, you know what it was? It's just that we was blowing up so fast that we was still

looking at it on some young shit and not really realizing how big we was so you know when you you know it's like you know how it is when your career first start it's like you going where you going and then you starting to really take a look and say yo this they got us on this now you know but we know when it's big but we ain't really paying attention to the global factor that tour at that time we didn't appreciate it like right you know what i mean we was just having fun you know covering ground but like you said earlier about really not paying attention to mainstream how important it was. See, if we would have really knew how important

mainstream was, we probably would have really got our act together even better and really handled it, but yo, knowing that we had so many people of color, like, especially white people just coming out for us, it was like, oh, shit,

this shit is different now, you know? It's like, yo, they embraced you. You know what I mean? Like, we still had the hood though, but it was like, it was like we became like rock stars playing with that side. You know what I mean? Like Ray said, we didn't really understand because we like, what?

20 what? 23, 24. Yeah, shit like that. Like it was on. Like, yo, you gonna do this shit or you gonna do this? You know what I mean? Then it just went A-wire. Over there and shit. And it was a big debate. It was a big debate

about going back. On the tour? Nah, going to go through the Hot 97 shit. Yeah. Alright, so close. Let me ask you something. Did you actually have that in your mind? To plan out? Nah Because

I think we wanted to go on Last But they put Bad Boy to go on Before us And I think that's what it was It didn't Back then I was buck wild. I just, it just wilded out.

Wilded out. Did the Klan know you was about to say fuck? Nah, nah. We just wanted to, we just wanted to do it like, yo. Yo, look at everybody's face. Yo, done, done. So everybody had your back on stage? Or how did that work? I mean, at that time, it was like, yeah.

It was like, what you going to do? All right. Fuck you. Run up the stage? It's like, nah, nigga, we here. All right. Yeah, so I think we was more or less mad at that. He was super mad.

He wanted to bust shots in the store. Anything. Yeah. Were both of you on the same page on this? It didn't do a shoot. It was that. And they wasn't really playing us like that That's what we got to try and it just seemed like it got like I

Don't know man. It was seem like it was the force behind us on some like yo, they speaking the truth Watch these niggas, you know me cut they sit down a little bit All right, so we dropped five that shit went double platinum or whatever at that time and it was like yo Why we not hearing our shit like that? why we not you know what I'm saying so yo all that shit was combined all that shit like that and it was I think it was summertime yeah man fuck it I was that's how I felt yeah that's how I felt but you know but it's like I remember when we first started

And it's like 97 was down for us And we was down for them And it's like, it really Hot 97 you talking about Yeah, it took off And, you know, we was blowing together You know what I mean?

We knew we had something to do with that Then all of a sudden You know, the dynamics changed or whatever It's like a lot of emotions involved with business with that, then all of a sudden, you know, the dynamics changed or whatever. It's like a lot of emotions involved with business and, you know, next thing you know, for some reason, they just really stopped supporting our shit. So now, we still blowing, we still doing what we doing, but still looking at it like, damn, why we ain't getting no love back home?

Right. You know what I mean? What's going on? What's really going on? Right. You know what I mean? What's going on? What's really going on? Right. But at that time, the game was just, it was changing in its own way,

meaning like, you know, now people that's up there that's really excited about the music, now it's like, now everybody's

playing chess now. Like, yo, what you bringing to the table now? You know, what you mean we bringing to the table?

We are the table. We're the kitchen table. What you mean we bringing to the table We are the table We the kitchen table I thought cause we was speaking the truth You know what I mean You got brothers coming in as gods And it's like yo y'all coming with the truth And I'm thinking like that's what I thought Like there's a power There's somebody back there

On some like yo slow niggas down Like this and that And we not hearing our shit and we know Triumph is banging at that time. You know what I mean? So yo it just happened. And that fucked us up though. But 10 years they didn't play y'all records right?

What? I had to be friends. Me and C's know that feeling. Yeah. Because of that. That's why they didn't play the record you're saying. Because of what happened to- No, we bought shots. No, I know, I know.

I'm saying- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's the same band. It's the same band. That's the effect. It's the same band. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Holy shit. But we got love for Hot 97. Nah, so yeah. Had to build that shit again. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know what's crazy? I just had dinner with Steve Rifkin. And Steve Rifkin looks to me

and I'm telling him that I'm about to interview y'all. And I'm telling him, I said, one of my first questions is I wanted to ask, I wanted to know this for myself. This ain't even like no journalist

or this is me for myself. And he goes, you know what, Nori? How many seven was almost built for Wu-Tang? And I said, what? And he said that it was a rhythmic station at first. It was a crossover station at first. And Y'all Records was banging so much

that they called him and said, we're going to change the whole station to hip-hop for Wu-Tang. Did y'all know that? Wow. Give me some noise for that. That's crazy. So when he just said that,

I was like, I knew he didn't know the jewel he just hit me with. So I was like, all right, cool. Let me keep that in my registry. But that's crazy for it to go from one extreme to the next.

Like them literally saying like, you know, KRS-One is being the voice. Wu-Tang, we're going to build it for them. And then, because it wasn't, you know, from what I heard, it's not until 10 years ago that number one stations like, you know, the number one station in LA, number one station in New York, start paying their artists now for their summer jams. For years, they were, they was like, yo, we're the number one market.

If you want to be played, you just come. But meanwhile, they're playing rockin' in tubs. They're playing like, you know, the dudes that's not from the culture, and they're hiring them. So, it's been a rollercoaster. And the dynamic has changed with radio now.

Well, now radio don't really matter. Like, I think y'all proved that. I think that the ban on Wu-Tang never affected a Wu-Tang fan. Now, let me explain to that. A real Wu-Tang fanatic

wasn't going to Hot 97 to listen to y'all shit neither. Anyway, a real Wu-Tang fanatic was going out to go see. And remember, you had to go get the albums at that time. You wanted to know who produced it. You wanted to know this was RZA, this was Mathematics, this was B-Rock. You know what I'm saying? So I think that y'all transitioned from that because y'all was the people that were still successful.

Like you said, Triumph was 2 million and probably had just a couple of spins on Hot 97. So did y'all feel that effect? Did y'all feel like, did you regret it? Because it was you Did y'all feel like Did you regret it Cause it was you You was the leader Did you regret it Oh yeah Yeah yeah yeah

Okay After a while It's like you not hearing your shit You not hearing your shit In your own hometown So you felt it And it's like Yeah it was like

Then we We sit in meetings And RZA will sit there And explain like Yo We fucked up Right You know what I mean

And brothers is like Yo I told you We should've know what I mean? And brothers is like, yo, I told you we should have stayed on the fucking tour and this and that and the third and then it's like, yo, like you said, like 10 year gap with like, yo, we couldn't get on. You know what I mean? So, yeah, that kind of like fucked us up.

But what's crazy is, I think you said it earlier, is there's only a couple of groups that transition like you guys, that stay exactly who you are. You guys don't change. Don't compromise. Don't compromise.

But y'all cross over a group, which is, like DMX is the same way. DMX, I've never seen DMX calm. Right, right, right. And yet, rest in peace. That's right, rest in peace. Yet, he, you go to his shows, I would go hang out with him, go to his shows, it'd be nothing but white people there.

And I'm like, whoa, they can't relate to Timberlands. They can't relate to Yonkers, but they there. They there. So it reminds me of y'all because, you know, y'all was like the first like hip-hop Woodstock type of group. Like,

what I mean by that is I would look at y'all shows and y'all starting out and look from the outside looking in. Right. Because I seen Rizzo on the reference clubs

of y'all used to do shows for nothing. But then, for me looking from the outside looking in. Right. Because I've seen Rizzo on the breakfast clubs of y'all used to do shows for nothing. But then, for me looking from the outside looking in, it almost seemed like y'all went straight to festivals. Like,

was it like that? Nah. I'm sure it was a longer story. Yeah, yeah, no. We was up in the more joints. Right. All that, yeah. That came a little bit.

It went fast though. It went fast. We had our spots spots here but it was like for some reason the whole world was just gravitating to it right and before you know it we wound up on these fucking festivals right it was just cool though but but we had to we had to go through the mill too at the same time fighting in clubs doing shit we out there in the in the in the midwest and the down south and getting shotties pooped out on us like you know what i mean like just all that shit getting jerked for like a hundred dollar bill he's giving us fake hundred dollar bills all that shit so we went through that shit but it just like it seemed like overnight

we was in them fucking big-ass fields out there performing for millions of people. Right. You know what I mean? I remember one time we went somewhere. We went to this hotel. There wasn't nobody in the hotel. I'm talking about no people.

Remember that spot we was at? Where was that at? I think we was somewhere in fucking Scandinavia or some shit. Is it a cat rolling around? Nah, nah. The shit was crazy. You remember we watched the fight in the, we watched the Zab Judah fight. We was down in the lobby, like, in the reception office.

Like, nobody wasn't there. We was on the phones in there, everything. Like, if somebody came in and they got a room, it was like we was right there. Like, yo, what you want? Yo, what's going on? Yeah, we had the whole fucking hotel to ourselves. Originally, when y'all first traveled, the first nine, right? But then you had Devon.

Then you had Mook. Your Vonn and Mook. Yeah. So those were the two others that wasn't a part of the group that traveled with y'all? They traveled. I know what I'm saying. Yeah,'t a part of the group that traveled with y'all? They traveled. I know what I'm saying. Yeah, they was part of the management team. So, you know, they was like the road managers and, you know, making sure that niggas get to where they got to go.

Right. You know, but, yeah. Yeah, because that must have been the worst job to manage all y'all, though. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all, y'all. Yeah, that's a big moment. That's a big moment. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of bullshit on this show. all y'all because to be honest like man you know I this is how I talk about y'all behind your back there will never be another Wu-Tang there will never be another nine but everybody with daggers.

Like, everybody sharp. Like, everybody. Like, I loved how RZA, in the beginning of the documentary, described each one. Like, I believe he called you. Hold on. He called you. I wrote this down. Ghostface Killer in the karate flick was the most dangerous person in the karate flick?

The mystery of chest boxing. Yeah, the mystery. It's like, that's where I got my name from. It was, they had frontin' on him, like, early in the years. His son came back like 20 years later and just started doing damage. You know what I mean? But I fell in love with the name, though, when I'm watching.

Because Vince had us watching all that shit. You know what I mean? Like, just flick at the flick, but for some reason they just had a ring to it And it was like yo That's my shit. You know me. Yeah, definitely and Mr. Chess blocking you in that video you had on I had on yet. You had yeah had the mask on Stocking caps I was scared had the mask on. I was scared of you. I said, who the nigga with the mask on is?

He's ill. He's on the run. He's in the video. He's in the video being seen, but don't want to be seen. He's on the run. He clapped on me. But see, he was wearing it. He was wearing it because, you know, he was fresh out the streets, though.

So, you know, we knew Ghost. We know his name was ringing in Staten Island. Right. Crazy. So even around that time, it was like, what, you had to keep your thing on you. Yeah, definitely. This nigga was just into everything, you know? So we was like, yo, let's keep your mask on, you know?

Let me ask you, did you ever think that MF Doom took that from you? Because when I spoke to Doom, he didn't say that, but I think a little bit of his rhyme pattern. Right. You know what I mean? We on the plane, close to each other, he just puts me in my ear, Doom, I love Doom, R.I.P. Yeah, rest in peace.

Because I'm telling him again, like, yo, we should do like a two for five thing. Like, just try to move these, you know, the music. You know what I mean? Hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah. You took the drug label's your music.

I'll give you. Wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. We got to sell this stuff. That was all. You know what I mean? These little tapes, whatever the case may be,

little five pieces, little five records on the, you know what I'm saying? So, but we was, you know, kicking in the shit. And then he just wished, so he's like, you know, I got my shit from, you know what I mean? You know what I mean?? So, but we was, you know, kicking in the shit. And then he just whistled. He's like, you know, I got my shit from you.

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, and my aunt said, I'm like, oh, word? And it was just all love. It was love, though. But I didn't know, I thought he was talking about

the style of his rap. Right. Like, you know. Both. I think he got an image from you. Yeah, yeah. But, you know what I mean? But, and that's, that was it. So I'm like, oh, shit, think you got an image here. Yeah, but you know me but uh, and that's that was it

So I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt So let me ask you what's the difference between him and Asher Bronson? Bronson I knew this was coming Now see What you mean the difference like the different because like the similarityonson... Right, so Bronson had the voice. Okay. Right?

As far as the style, because I created... I went to Africa, and I just created a style like... That's a crazy style. Yeah, yeah. All right, cool. So I created a style

also like, let me create... Well, this was no music because I was dead up in the village. So I'm like, no music there, whatever the case may be. So I'm like, I'm going to create, well this was no music because I was dead up in the village. So I'm like, no music there, whatever the case may be. So I'm like, I'm going to just create something where it's like, just come with a bunch of words that really, they just sound good together.

Really didn't really mean shit. And it's funny because motherfuckers try to decipher this shit. It's like, nigga, I don't even know what the fuck is going on here. So when I did like Nutmeg and One and all that shit like that. Like, nigga, I don't even know what the fuck is going on here. Doing haikus and shit. So when I did, like, Nutmeg and One and all that shit like that, it's like, yo, that's what led to that shit. But then, you know, it started getting back to me. Like, yo, motherfuckers, I know what you're talking about.

And it's 9 to 3, so I said, you know what? Let me just calm down on this shit. You know what I mean? If a nigga start putting me somewhere else and shit. You know what I mean? If a nigga start putting me somewhere else and shit. You know what I mean? But yeah, but actually he had the voice. Like I played something,

like my man, my engineer played me a thing one time. I'm like, yo, who that? He's like, yo, I thought it was me. Right. You know what I mean? I thought it was me.

I thought it was me. You heard him and you thought... I thought it was me. Yeah, that's how it was. Yeah, that's how it was. Yo, but I don't remember writing that shit. You see what I'm saying? You heard him and you thought I thought it was me Yeah that's how it was Yeah that's how it was I just dropped it Yo but I don't remember Writing that shit

You see what I'm saying So I'm like I'm like Oh shit But you know I bumped into him one time A few times In Europe

At fucking The shit South by Southwest He was cool He was mad cool and shit Like yo Dabbed each other up He talking like Yo yo i don't i don't mean to sound like you like i'm not doing it on purpose right you know i mean that's just

his voice exactly and that's how i always took it with him you know like how how what's this money name how shine and gorilla black would sound like big and all that like that i just thought you know sometime your vocal cords could be that way right but i didn't i just didn't never knew that he was gonna jump out the window on me. Right, because what happened after that? Someone asked him, ESPN, I believe. Exactly. And, um...

Maxing him. Yeah, they just maxed him. Yeah, yeah, maxing him. Yeah, exactly. But what did they ask him? And then he said... Something. And he just like, yo, lost it.

Yeah, he said, ghosts don't do that style no more. Yeah, some shit like that, like I wasn't ill no more. Right. So I'm like, but it's like, I don't even know what pushed them to go over there like that. What music did you play when you responded? When I responded? What music did I play? Your music, yeah.

I just went to, you know what it is. I forgot what it was, though. It was Teddy P. But I didn't have nothing for it. Listen, he said what he did. I'm on the road with Ray, me and Ray on the road. And I just get the call like, yo, this nigga went in. So I'm like, well, where?

I get back to the hotel like late on that night. And, you know, I just got on ESPN. And I see them go in on me but We could get no studio time and nothing like that to get ahead and do whatever they do So I'm like yo, I just told my man like yo just throw this shit Then I listen to fly shit. You know me me and Ray we stay in the old J's fly shit like that Whatever whatever so that was just one of the tracks that just happened to be going off my shit

So I told my man this is in the morning morning time too. That was in the morning when we about to check out. So hold on, cause he came to get my bags. So I'm like, yo, listen, record this. You know what I mean? And just spit whatever. That was not rehearsed. I just threw it at him. You know what I mean? And that was it. Right. And it was the hardest reply ever in hip-hop. You know. In hip-hop. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Any nigga from our generation

knew exactly what you was talking about. Nigga looked at that shit and said, oh, shit. It's like, it's like, that was then, you know, because the pressure was kind of like, a little bit too, you know, because I heard everybody was on him.

Yeah. You know what I mean? But I respect him for what he do, you know, as a man, as a person. Right. You know what I mean? And sometimes we make mistakes. You know what I mean? And, you know, and even if I see them today, it's like, yo, I'll dab them and show them some love.

Y'all speak after that? We never spoke after that. We never spoke after that, though. But I know that was Ray's man. What? Get it. Do it on Ray. Yeah, but you know how the grand B?

Because I seen one shit. I seen one shit, a picture. We was somewhere and we seen them, Ray. But, you know, I guess he was talking to you and the picture got me laughing like like oh shit

like look at this nigga over here and shit I think he I think he seen that and that's probably what made him I mean to me

you know what I mean cause yeah like if I'm laughing at him while he talking to Ray because I'm in the background over here

laughing at something else whatever it was but it wasn't about him because I'm in the background over here laughing at something else, whatever it was, but it wasn't about him. So I'm thinking that that might have been or whatever that made him go out like that or whatever, but nah, I have a spec for him. Nah, he ain't have it out for you. Yeah, I have a spec for him, though. He ain't have it out in no way. Like you said, I think it was just

that he got caught up, he got tongue twisted in this. But you don't bring me in there like that. Oh, yeah, you know, I get it. Yeah. I get it. It's like, yo, come on, man. This is real life.

You know what I mean? It's dark though, it's right here. It's like, yo, V, it's like, I've been chilling for a minute, but it's like, you know. He hit me right away, too. I was like, man, you done fucked up. I said, you done fucked up.

I said, yo, I'm going to try to fix it. But at the time. Oh, sorry, that's the one I said. Yeah, yeah, you done fucked up. I said, you done fucked up. I said, yo, I'm going to try to fix it. But at the time. I'm sorry. I just want to establish what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He reached out. He reached out right away because, like he said, he knew I had a relationship with him through people I was fucking with. And, you know, honestly, I really felt like he just, you know, he got caught out there wordplay wise.

And, you know, I'm trying to let him know, like, yo, I keep telling him, like, yo, you got to call him. You got to, you know, speak to that man, man on man and apologize based on that. But at that time, I don't think the communication was getting back to you. And you was just already lit up, like, just from the shockness, like, how dare you. He seemed like a good dude. Yo, he's cool. That's how I took him. Because he told me, he said, yo, when I met him in South by South Waste, like, yo, I'm a chef.

I do this, whatever, whatever, whatever. And I'm like, yo, listen, man, this is rap music, bro. You know what I mean? Sometimes a motherfucker might look up to you or even just, like I said, your tone might be the same tone. You know what I mean? And it's like, what you going to do? That's how God made him Right You know what I mean And it's like What you gonna do That's how God made him Right

You know what I mean So I looked at it like that Like I said Sean and And A little black You know I'm like yo

Yo this man is That's how his Shit came out Right Then you got brothers like Nah go host Yeah Nah nah nah nah

He's trying to go I'm like damn I'm saying to myself Nigga I gotta be a comedian Or some Jamie Foxx Shit like that, you know me so but it is what it is. Like I said, you're awesome Shout out to action. You don't mean lovers love I see him out there, you know doing this thing I ever do music

And that shit is over with man, you know Listen so another part of the documentary That would be ill I would love to do music with her You know what I mean And that shit is over with man You know Things ain't Man listen So another part of the documentary I identified with you Immediately Was You was the only one From Stapleton

Yeah Everyone else is from Park Hill From the hill See everyone else My whole crew Everyone's from Queensbridge Right The only nigga from

I was like man I didn't realize How much I related to you I was like wait a minute Ghost is me on the low I always thought I was much I related to you I was like wait a minute Ghost is me on the low I probably am weighing in on other issues But from that I'm like damn So

But RZA and GZA is your cousin That's RZA's cousin Oh GZA's RZA's cousin But you and RZA's cousins No? Okay I got children by Riz's sister. Okay. You what?

I got children by her sister. Okay. I dig. Yeah. That's what it is. Relationship. Yeah. Exactly.

Right. Yeah. So Dirk, Riz and Jiz are, they family. Right. Yeah. But yeah, we from the state though. We from Stapleton. They from the hill.

And how far is that away? Walking is, like what, like 15 minutes? Yeah, but like 10 minutes. Yeah, 10 minutes,

something like that. Y'all blown, Brian, y'all blown. Yeah, we all went to the same school. Wait, I'm sorry,

you said Stapleton and Park Hill is 15 minutes away? Yeah. Queens Bridge is 20 minutes. That's walking. You be there in like five minutes. Less than that, you driving.

So, so, so, yeah, we went to school, night centers and all that shit. That's walking You'd be there in like Five minutes Less than that You'd be driving So So So um Yeah we Went to school Night centers and all that shit Like that But like I tell people

It's like yo It was just something about them In the 80's They just had that It was some fly shit about them Like In Park Hill Valleys

Clarks Silksong Goldfronts Like You know what I mean Like they was getting it. Is that where the Wu store wound up being at? Nah, Wu store was on, the first Wu store was on Victory.

Yeah, there's a bunch of Wu stores, right? Yeah, yeah, there's a bunch of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was on Victory, yeah. And you're the two oldest of your two brothers, correct? Yeah, yeah. So you always had to hold it down.

Yeah, for the most part, yeah, because, you know, those were the all-I-got-is-you days. You know what I mean? Yeah, that was them days. That was real shit. Them days was real life days

right there, like, you know what I mean? So, yeah, that was very important part of my life right there. You know what I mean? Running the streets, being the oldest,

and, you know, having to take care of your brothers. Right. You know what I mean? Running the streets, being the oldest, and, you know, having to take care of your brothers. You know what I mean? Family and shit. You know, now I go. Yes, sir.

Household was crazy. You know what I mean? But at the end of the day, Allah had another plan. You know what I mean? That's where we at right now. That's right. Let's make some noise

for that guy down there. So let me ask y'all both this question, right? Y'all both trying to come off. GZA video comes out. Do me. Come do me. Come do me. Yeah, come do me.

How did y'all feel when that came out? Yo, I was happy. Yo, when I seen that, I was like, oh. And this came out after Rakim or this is before? This is before. Yeah, this is like the nucleus. Yeah, he was the first though. But when I first heard it, it was like, because we already knew he knew how to rhyme.

Right. But when he did the video and all that and he caught the deal, I was already on the same page with RZA. And I'm like really just watching them niggas from the side Like way before the Wu days I'm watching these niggas like These niggas are special right here You know what I mean? So when GZA, you know, he did the video shoot

RZA called me then So he was like, yo What was GZA's relationship with Staten Island? RZA, I'm sorry Yeah, RZA, you know, RZA from Staten Island Okay, cool You. RZA, I'm sorry. Yeah, RZA, you know RZA, RZA from Staten Island. Okay, cool, cool. You know, but JZA is his first cousin

and you know, they always had that relationship. Right. So it seemed like RZA was already paying attention to what JZA was about because he taught him

how to rhyme too. You know what I mean? JZA taught RZA how to rhyme. JZA taught RZA how to rhyme. Wow. You know what I mean? And he gave him knowledge of self.

Knowledge of self, yes. So it was like, that was somebody who he really loved So it was like, that was somebody who he really loved. And it's like, when he caught the deal, it's like RZA was coming back to the neighbor

and saying like, yo, you know, my cousin is in. You know what I mean? Boom, boom, boom. But at that time... Jizz was in Brooklyn? Yeah, he was in Brooklyn.

Yeah, Brooklyn kid. So, you know, we knew Jizz from the block, but Jizz had never really hung out like that in Staten Island because he had a sister who lived out there. Right. So it you know, we knew JZA from the block, but JZA never really hung out like that in Staten Island. Right.

Because he had a sister who lived out there. Right. So it's like watching RZA and JZA connection. I'm sitting over there like a fly on the wall like, yo, this nigga got a record deal? Like, we see the album coming. And you rhyming at this time or you starting to rhyme? Yeah, we rhyming. We lobbying it.

We lobby boys. You know what I mean? But at the end of the day, it's like... Big up Jim Jones in Maine. Just knowing, big up Jim in Maine, you know what I'm saying? But it's like, you know, for us, just to see somebody that we know from the community, you know, with a record deal, that shit kind of like was like, oh, shit. You see the album cover and shit.

Yo, let me see the album cover, you know? Looking at the credits and shit. Oh, this shit is for real. This ain't no see the album cover, you know? Looking at the credits and shit. Oh, this shit is for real. This ain't no floozy shit, you know? And automatically, you know,

it was a certain attraction that I had to both of them because I felt like, wow, that nigga did something that nobody in Staten Island ever really did. On the rap tip,

you know we had the 4some D's and all that out there. So they was already reigning, but on the rap side of things, J know we had the 4some D's and all that out there. So they was already raining. But on the rap side of things, Jizzle was the first one that we seen that really accomplished something. So automatically, you know RZA, he felt entitled to it because his cousin. The fuck was that? That's all a lot of toughness we had.

That's all a lot of toughness we good. That was something different, but we keep it. We try to act like there's no real beat used to that shit either. Come on, we take it in. But you know, just being able to see them have their own creation made from a hip hop side, automatically I was intrigued by that.

So they invited me to come to the Come Do Me set. Are you in the video? Yeah, I was intrigued by that. So they invited me to come to the Come Do Me set, you know. Are you in the video? Yeah, I was there, nigga. I was there, nigga. You go back to the shit and look back. Yeah, you know, but I was the painter, nigga. I was the painter. But they asked me though, because it was like

I remember it was me, Dirty. Me, Dirty showed up. You know what I mean? It was RZA, me was risen me dirty and RZA going to just shit so they asked me I remember they actually say yo you want to be them one of the main dudes in the video F and I was like of course I was like nah I was shot can't do it I haven't even any like that so I was fuck it, I'll play the painting role. You know what I mean? He's so wild. Yeah, I picked it.

And Dirty did the role that they wanted me to do at first. You know, he dancing all in the middle of the video. But yeah, that's when I was really just, just wanting to just watch it from the outside in.

But at that time, it was like, I wasn't even really still trying to check for a record deal. I was watching my niggas do it to their best ability. So, you know,

but JZA, he opened up the door for all of us to be motivated like that. You know? Because once he passed the torch to RZA, RZA,

once we knew he was fully in it, then now Sparks start flying now, you know Cuz that reminds me of story for me When I was in jail, I've got to see I can only come out I can notice from my neighborhood up from 97th Street I can know this from 99th Street. I believe if I got it wrong. Sorry, but I believe it's 99th Street and one thing about I was I

Was in jail so my appreciation might have been a little different one thing about Ock was Ock came out with the bomb baby then he went straight

into some vagina diner shit and I was just like that's not us like you know that's not left right that's not what we represent like

and so it was a part of me that said you know the minute I get my chance I'm going to do it my way right was there anything that came across because both of those records come and get me was the come get come get come to me come to me you know man I love you our King right right does not reflect Wu Tang at all so and this

is the 80s but when they came out right It was 90, 91. It was like 90. 91, 99, yeah, 91. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So, the Oh We Love You Rock came, shit. Right. Which one he did? He did it off of the Denise Williams joint, right? Did he do that one? Yeah, Denise Williams.

Yeah. Before that came out, we used to be in the crib, because we used to go up there and record. He used to make all the beats for like, all the Hill niggas, you know what I mean? Me, all that But he had the Oh we love you

He used to bang out Wow Like oh we love you It was fat over that You know what I mean Denise Williams Denise Williams So

I wasn't mad at him When he did that But he just didn't get the feedback Like he wanted You know what I mean And he was on Tommy Boy Records too He was on Tommy Boy yeah And I think on Tommy Boy Records too He was on Tommy Boy Yeah

And I think that was The last time He was on Tommy Boy So you gotta remember At that time though You know Kane and them Was doing anything heavy

And Kane had that Female Right You know He had that Female support So a lot of them labels Were still trying to

Follow that trend Trying to make jizz Of that way You know what I mean Not really paying attention To these niggas really being skillful. They looking at it more like, yo, we need somebody to come out on that lot. You know, yo, we need you to be this radio king.

Right. So even though these brothers knew that they had the potential to do that, that wasn't really what they was there for. That's not really what they wanted to do. But, you know, getting a record deal back then, you a blessed man. Yeah, just to get the deal. You a blessed man to get a deal. You know what I mean? They asked me at that point. You know, so yeah. So at that point, it's like, yo, it ain't nothing for them niggas

to write those kind of rhymes and do it. And it's like, I remember up in the hill, when we started, we was like, get the fuck out of here with that shit. Because we already knew he had the potential for some other shit. Like, he had tapes out there that was... Talking about RZA or GZA? Yeah, I'm talking about RZA and GZA. Both of them niggas, like, them niggas, we knew about their rhymes. So when they came with those records, we was like, this, that shit ain't going nowhere.

You know what I mean? Not hating, but just being honest because we knew that that wasn't them. So I think they had to walk that path to be like, you know what I mean? Not hating, but just being honest because we knew that that wasn't them. So I think they had to walk that path to be like, you know what? We're going to try to do it their way, but if it don't work, we got to do what we want to do. Because that's my next question, right?

You got two of the head honchos of the crew. They had a record deal. It actually doesn't work for the most part. I mean, they do come out. They do have a video. They do have record deal. It actually doesn't work for the most part. I mean, they do come out. They do have a video. They do have a single. Right. But they're not out the hood.

What made y'all say, I still believe in y'all? Because most people would say, you already fell. Why the fuck would I? Like, you pack bags and as soon as you got out the store, the bags broke.

So, it's either I'm going to double up on the bags or I'm not packing no bags. What made y'all say, fuck it, let me double up on the bags? Like you said, they was ill. They was ill.

You believe in them regardless. What? Especially this shit I heard and just the rhymes along Genius and RZA. I'm a fan, yo. Why? And it was like

they was saying shit, deadly shit, especially Genius it was like They was saying shit Deadly shit Especially Genius He was saying deadly shit That could've hung with Chain in them Back then Yo I never knew that

That they offered him To be a part of the Juice group Oh yeah I heard that They just turned it down It was like He was in God Dimension On some 5% and shit But it wasn't like

And he was signed to Cold Chillin Yeah so you know He was right God's dimension on some 5% and shit, but it wasn't like... And he was signed to Cold Chillin'. Yeah, so you know he was right there. That was there. But, you know, they wanted him to be involved, you know what I mean? But I guess for him, he was just in his own world, and he was, you know, 5%-ing to the fullest. So, you know, but we always knew their potential. So, like you said, When they came back around Where they You know I wouldn't call it

A failure I just call it a They didn't That wasn't their lane Yeah It wasn't a failure But for us It was like yo

They represent Staten Island Right You feel me Staten Island was One of the last boroughs To even be Heard of

Cause niggas were scared To get on the ferry And ride across that water Yeah To come see us. So, you know, our thing was,

yo, they set it off, we got to hold them down by any means. And they got to sit behind the curtain too so they could come back and kind of,

we know what to do now. So we was still happy for them just because of the fact that, you know, niggas got a real certified record deal. We in the streets still. We still running from TNT

and detectives coming up and down the block chasing niggas. To see that, it was like, oh shit. Whether you lost or won, you still won to us. When I did my research, they said that they technically call Staten Island the most racist borough. Is that true? It is. Don said that they technically call Staten Island the most racist, bro.

Is that true? It is. Really? Yeah, it is. Don't get locked up in Staten Island, bro. Really? My man from fucking Canada, not to cut you off, they locked him up for some weed, right? And it's so crazy because, you know, the Staten Island cops, they funny.

They like, yo, you want to get out? Don't worry. This is small shit. Don't worry about that shit. They had a black for like three days So you know he wasn't you know he from out of Canada He was like yo when he got out of it. He was like yo, I'm calling fucking I They wrong. They wrong. That's not right. He said, yo, they put him in the cell with shit and piss. All that.

Yeah, that's that now. He ain't going to work in it. He ain't going to work in it. Nah, he was right in the precinct. Wow. They was ragging him. Even my son, like you know my brother that just came home, Un, right? I got him with me.

I want you to meet, yeah, exactly. Yeah, big Un. You know my brother that just came home, right? I got him with me. I want you to meet there. Exactly. Yeah, big time. So, so, so, I had one of my lawyers from Manhattan try to come and take his case. Man, the lawyer came to Staten Island and had to face these Staten Island niggas. Yo, he said, yo, it's a circle. A circle of them where they was like, they was treating him like shit. Wouldn't let this nigga get in there for nothing. Like, I'm like yo disrespected him that's that now yeah that now

I got a different way they just gave my man 25 years for body he catch he just came home like he just came home literally like a year and a half, two years ago. So it's like he did all that time based on these niggas' lives. He got acquitted? Nigga got exonerated. He got actual innocence. Wow. Innocence. He ain't now want you to say he going to.

Give him a round of applause for that. Word, word, word. He did it. He did it He did it 23, 24 Yo What's up, man? He do

Yeah, so he do Yo These motherfuckers threw the evidence away The killer dropped his hat They picked up the hat You and the hat contained DNA

Right It's like, yo All of a sudden they lost the hat They lost the hat And there's more shit than that That's just the Shit, I'm like Yo, what the fuck You got They lost their hat. And there's more shit than that. That's just the shit. I'm like, yo, what the fuck?

You got the lady on the cop, the lady on the shit, talking about, yo, yo, we chasing them right now, nigga 5'5", and a certain amount of weight. My man light skin is skinny. You know what I mean? He ain't fat. You know what I mean? Like, yo, yeah, Staten Island.

That's crazy. System, the system the system that's what every cop ain't a fucked up cop you know I'm saying it but you know back then I'm cops y'all things when they hats backwards right they meet you in the staircase like 430 in the morning they smoke weed the niggas pop they fucking they scooters and shit like ten blocks away cuz they know that you know if you see the scooter they know know they're around. Like, these was different kind of cops. Like,

you'd be like, yo, this shit is parked behind a school and shit. Like, this nigga got his shit all the way over there. Sneaking up on niggas on the roofs and, you know, being real bold with it. Them cops is different out there. But then you had some nice cops too. You know what I mean? Yeah, you got nice cops. You got is different out there. But then you had some nice cops, too.

You know what I mean? Yeah, you got nice cops. You got a few nice cops. You know? But it's the system, though. Yeah. It's the system. It's the system. It was a different system back then, though.

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Like, yo, y'all golden. You know, y'all might have had to take those shots to really come back. Because me, I always used to tell them anyway when they was doing their thing, like, yo, when y'all get it right, you got to run through these blocks with us again because some of us out here get busy. And you were in Rhymes at that time. Yeah, yeah. We was, you know, Meth, myself, Ghost, Deck.

Niggas had tapes out in the street already. So it was like RZA knew about it, but at the same token, he was like, to us, the king of it because he had that situation already. Right. So he knew about certain niggas because we was hearing your shit when coming from Stapleton. A nigga be walking through with the radio. Yo, who that? Yo, that son, that's that son God.

Yes. You know what I mean? They had the weed up there where he at. And y'all projects had problems, right? Oh, God. Yes. You know what I mean? They had the weed up there where he at. And y'all projects had problems, right? Oh yeah, always. Always, always, always. So how the fuck

y'all come close like this? How did this happen? It's like Reds brought it together. You trust them. You trust them. It's like Reds brought it together because I knew they was nice.

When did y'all first meet? When did y'all two first meet? We was in the same school. We was in the junior high school and all that. Third grade? Nah, junior high was like what? Oh, junior high was like

sixth, seventh and all that. Sixth, seventh and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sixth, seventh and all that. We was like not in the dumb class, but we was in the class after the smart niggas. Yeah, yo, after the smart niggas.

Sixth, seventh and all that. After the smart niggas. You know, after the smart niggas. Fake the song after the smart niggas. Yo, yo, yo. Stupid, he said after the smart niggas. Yeah, yeah. Nah, because we was in like the B and some shit. Yeah, we was right in the middle. But nah, yo, it's so funny because

the school was like right across the street from his neighborhood. So, you know, we all up in there and shit. The teacher and shit, niggas are snapping on the teacher all day. That shit just made the teacher ill snap after that. Like, this nigga,

he knew how to get busy. Yo, he was saying crazy shit. Like, nigga come and look at crazy, be like, yo, man, I had a shirt like that once and then my mother got a job. He was saying crazy shit. Like, nigga come and look at crazy. He be like, yo, man, I had a shirt like that once, too, and then my mother got a job. Like, he was saying shit like that. Like, you looking at him like, oh, you mother to that culture. Nah, son, the teacher was like, go get your father. Go get your father.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what's her name? That was Foster. Yeah, Mr. Foster. He following you home. Yeah, definitely. He was this black teacher and shit, though. Word. He followed you home. Yeah, definitely. He was this black teacher and shit, though.

Word. He was live, though, for school. But me and Ghost, you know, like I said, we was in the same classes, laughing, you know what I mean? Going to the lunchroom. Niggas is showing what they wearing. Niggas windmilling and doing all this other shit. Yeah, I remember Ghost. You know what I mean?

I remember Ghost manning shit. His name is Sane. Them niggas came off with a bag running like a Brinks truck. Like a Brinks truck hit the corner and the bag fell out the bag. And niggas came. I remember that shit clear as day.

Because it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like six Stapleton niggas that came in with sheepskins on to school. So we like, yo. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, niggas get this money from. Them niggas that came in with sheepskins on to school. So we like, yo, where'd you niggas get this money from?

Them niggas tore a bag like that. You know how you fold the hundred dollar bills and make rings out of them? Yeah. They came to school like that, gazelles,

big puffy gooses on. Yeah. It's like, yo, how y'all getting? But listen, listen, like I said,

it was a bank on the corner right over there by, by, what's the name, in the back of Stapleton. It's a bank right there, CMB Bank. And it's like, yo, the truck used to come through there, pick up the money. Some shit like that. City National Bank. But Word, I remember Asking saying about He was like yo

We was on the corner Waiting for the bus to come He was like yo The truck came Swinging around The corner And the shit just Fucking bust open

And the fucking Tray fell out Them niggas went And grabbed the tray It was about like 30 grand That's when them niggas Came to school

Fresh to death I'm talking about I'm talking about V-gooses. You gotta remind, you gotta, you know, this is like 84.

85. 84, 85. You know, sheepskin hats and shit. You know if you had the sheepskin with the hat. Yeah, with the hat. These niggas had the mittens.

These niggas had the beaver hats. These niggas had the socks on. Yo, theseas had beavers. These niggas had the socks on. Yo, these, yo, word. These beavers, remember you talking about? Yeah, beavers. You know, suede fronts. You know what I mean?

This literally fell on their lap. That's when we was looking at these niggas like, yo, these. Them niggas that got me, they started, they got me stealing this shit. The niggas don't trust you. Stealing or boosting? Because there's two different things. Stealing.

Like robbing with them. Yeah. I'll give you that money. Take one of these glasses. It's that good. For the whiskey with you. All right. Nah, nah, nah, nah.

No whiskey. Okay. I'm not ready to go to his. Old whiskey, baby. Yeah, you got it? I don't have it. I don't have it. Pass.

Quick pass. I don't have it. On 10 pounds. Cheers, man. Drink, cheers. Yeah, yeah. God damn it, man. Cheers. Cheers, cheers. whiskey baby so tell us about the video that just shot yo we just shot this video for my record, my album coming out called Scarlet Fever. The name of the song is called Green Haven. You know what I mean?

That's the jam? Yeah, just thinking about our niggas and shit. But the video is about, it's like a poker game going on that I'm at, at an after-hour spot. And you know I'm winning. I'm creaming them. Right. And I get a drink. I get a complimentary drink, and somebody puts something in my drink

and fucks my head up. So, Mickey and your joint. Yeah, I was kind of fucked up for a minute. So, I'm trying to get back to the vehicle to kind of, like, revise myself with something I had in the car that would help me, you know, rehabilitate myself. And, you know, next thing you know, I didn't make it. But, you know, some female that was up in the spot, she went downstairs with me, I guess, you know, in her own little way and revised me.

She was able, I was able to breathe. She hit you with the IV. She hit me with the IV, boosting me back up. So now I'm going back in there on some other shit, but still playing the game. Like, trying to figure out, you know, who did this to me. But it's just really like a combination. It's called Green Haven. Oh, Green Haven.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the combination of the video is like a casino royale mixed with like a Goodfellas vibe, you know? Big up Shula the Don. Yeah, Don Shula, you know, he came through for us. You down, you down, you down. Yeah, but, you know, like I said, it's just something that, you know, I'm about to throw out, you know, just to get back on the scene and give niggas some different shit to look at. Give them some different shit to check out.

So, let me, you feel me? Yeah, look, yeah. So, we watched y'all do the verses, right? Okay, cool. Y'all brothers. Y'all didn't take shots at each other really like that. Then we see these other brothers. We see them.

Your dip set, the locks. You see the Fat Joe, the Ja Rule. They can take shots, still be friendly, but still guard each other. My question to y'all is, They can take shots, still be friendly, or still guard each other. Mm-hmm. My question to y'all is, what two men would y'all like to go against? Mm.

And versus. Because y'all going against each other was, it's beautiful, but we know y'all brothers. You mean together? Yeah, we know. You know why? You know why that happened? Because in RizZA and Premier went, we was talking

to RZA, like, yo, listen. You got to do this and do that and do that and throw these and you got to be beastie up there. Premier is fucking crazy. You know what I mean? So, Ray hit me with the shit, like, yo, I guess when acting was over, he was like, yo, we should do it.

We should do our own shit. You know what I mean? First, he was like, yo, we should do it. We should do our own shit. you know what I mean? First, he was like, yo, we should do it on our own platform and shit like go,

you know, I'm like, yo, you know what? That might be right. Might be right. Might got something right there. So,

I had tech, I had tech. I told tech and I guess he reached out to Swiss like earlier, before, way before we did this shit. You know what I mean? I had tech I told tech And I guess he reached out To Swiss Like earlier Before Way before we did this shit

You know what I mean And then When you're saying tech You're talking about the DJ DJ Yeah yeah yeah Cause he DJ for both of us too You know what I mean

South of tech And he DJs for Lox Lox Rock Hill Yeah Did the Fat Joe shit Yeah exactly So um

You know One day I just got the call from Swiss. From Swiss, I'm like, yo, Salam Aleikum. He's like, you know what it is. You ain't got that voice or something. It's like that Showtime shit. I'm like, oh, shit, yeah, all right, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Boom, got Ray on the phone, him and Ray chopped it up or whatever.

And then he got back to us because the timing wasn't right and shit. Around the time we did it, it was around that time he got back to us because the timing wasn't right and shit. Around the time we did it, it was around that time we got back and shit. So, I don't know like who we really

would go to go in the ring with. I wouldn't, I don't know. I know who. Ray's got ideas. I can tell. He got ideas.

I know who. Who? We had to go after the locks, man. Yeah, this nigga got it. Oh, yeah. This nigga too much in my mind right now, man. I thought about...

No, but the reason why they come up to him like that... Not the locks. Styles and Jada. The locks, nigga. But the locks is all three. Yeah. The locks is three. So you wanted to be a duo.

Duo against duo is what you're saying. Nah, but it don't even matter. You know? To me, it's like... Because at that time, I thought you couldn't come back again. I want to be a dual dual against duals. We're not but it don't even matter you know to me It's like because at that time. I thought you couldn't come back again. I thought I didn't know that yeah because We make it up the rules Cuz I just thought he just did fab and that's over with, like, you know what I mean?

I didn't know you could come back again like they just said did, like, yo, and went out. So, yeah, but he's right, though. Right. Because he's right. Huh? And yo. He's did it twice already. Yeah.

Yeah, twice. Yes, that's what I'm saying. He came back. He said that, Mr. Lee. Yeah. He tried to take your props. He tried to take your sprats to Spanish. But that's the only, you know, because other than them, I don't really.

I'm going to throw something out there. Okay, yeah. Okay. Nah, you know what, nah. It's two different vibes. But that's why he wants the vibes to be exactly the same. Nah, but see, you know, that's why he said, that's why you thinking like, alright, the locks. Because it's that same vibe. Right, right.

You know what I mean? So, it wasn't the, I don't see... Outkast, I probably... Outkast is ill, too. No, they don't they ill they ill they ill super ill but you know is the benefit the dungeon family against Wu-Tang is that the benefit I mean yeah that probably would be ill on all because there's all the separate trees and stuff the bone thugs is right now going against three six monsters okay because those are groups. Right. This is a group. You're dealing with the clan,

you're dealing with the group. Yeah. But just me and Ray, just me and Ray, I think you might got to find like New York pieces. Yeah. I like Styles and Kiss

because it's like they're an unofficial group. That's not an official group. Right. That's an official group. Right. Just like y'all, unofficial group.

That's not an official group. That's an official group. Right, right, right, right. That's an unofficial group. That's an official group. Right. Just like y'all, our official group. That's our official group. That's our official group. Right, right, right, right. That's our official group. That's our official group. Right, right, right. We should make a group. We should be a group.

That makes no sense in a lot of sense at the same time. It makes no sense. Who would be the name of y'all group? Who would be the name of y'all group? Because we've been calling y'all Ray and Ghost and Ghost and Ray forever. We have never addressed y'all as a group. You got to come with a fly name or something,

like something that's strong and shit. I mean, I always looked at us as Gambino men, you know? We Gambinos because it's like we grew up under that cold in the street, like the same way the mafia was in Staten Island because we lived maybe like 10, 15 minutes away from them niggas. Right.

So, you know when I said Wu Gambino's it's only because it made sense because I haven't I haven't knew this man enough to really love him at that time but we do good things together we know how to excel we know how to grow you know what I mean and I just looked at all my niggas like that. And that's what made Wu-Tang to me was so ill because of the fact that, you know, you had niggas that was doing their own thing and wasn't even paying attention to connecting. So it's like, you know, you hustling with niggas that you might not really love, but you love them now because y'all share something so to me it was always a crime family like like yo we knew this nigga was dangerous you know what i mean it's like yo you might not even know it but niggas is in the back of you like check this nigga out right keep an eye on him because

he he's one of them you know what i mean right he could he could snap in a minute right you know he was looking at you like that You know what I mean? Same way niggas is looking at everybody else I remember one time Mef was mad at me And, you know, he said some shit to me That he brought it back to the block And I'm like, wow, you bringing that up? You know what I mean?

Like, you bringing that up for me? He was really tight with me and shit He took it back to like, yo, nigga You was going to do this to me. Like, yo, I would never do that. I love you. But then I had to think about it. Like, you're fronting, right?

Like, you would have probably wanted to try. So, you know, that's what make us like a mobster clique because everybody had their own walk. We had our own walk and we came together. We all walked in that room together and agreed on something so to me we gonna always be Gambino's always be Gambino's you know what I mean

and back to like I said and you know back to what I was saying about you know like he said yo we New York niggas. So for me, I like to see real battles. It ain't about it being. I got one. I got one. Yeah, yeah.

Daz and Corrupt. Oh, them niggas is dangerous too. Daz and Corrupt. Listen. Daz and Corrupt. That's it. They dangerous. They dangerous.

I think I just made the match. I'm going to get 30%. I like that. I love the locks, man. Them niggas is like us all. We love them in real life. The locks still make me go right. Yeah.

I don't get inspired by rap rat no more right you don't mean but at the time when Biggie and knives and you know mom you would all of it is down I mean come on me and then like it was like okay let me go and I'm in the moment your brother's house was coming you all that. Hov. Yeah, M-O-P, Hov, all of them. Now I see it. But that's all New York. It was like that conglomerate. You see what I'm saying?

It was like that conglomerate that was. But I don't get really that much inspired no more. Maybe because I'm not really hearing it go off like that. Because a lot of this other shit is flooding away or whatever. Right. But when I hear a couple of pieces Coming from LOX and all that shit

Like that You know what I mean It'll be like Oh shit You know what I mean And just Especially in the garden Yeah

I can see that balance I can see I can see y'all going Against Daz and Corrupt too I can see that Because They got a lot of hits too

And the thing is It's the opposite It's the track Okay So I never looked at it From that lens Yeah I never looked at it From that lens Because they got a lot of hits too. And the thing is, it's the opposite of the track. Okay. So I never looked at it from that lens. Yeah. I look at it from that lens. The whole death row, the whole chronic.

They can pull out a lot of things. Yeah. I actually like it. It's a lot of niggas. The motherfuckers pull out Snoop on you. It's like that. Yeah. It's a lot of niggas that can do shit.

To me, honestly, like, it's all about the list. Believe it or not, Beth can hang with Snoop. Yo, but look. Believe it or not yo but look one thing about the verses anybody could win if your list is right right it's all about your list about the list it's the list so it ain't really about you getting blown your head getting blown off it's just all about you being strategic with what you think he may come out with and encounter you know what i mean but it's changing also your showmanship now because like you said oh yeah yeah but i'm gonna be honest with you when they was doing all of that you know what i mean wowing on each other i respect it right because it was a night of battling you know what i mean when you battling you battling even though

it's friendly competition like to be honest with y'all me and this man set it off with that because we was the ones that came before everybody else so me knowing how important it is to see real competition i knew i had to start talking shit with this dude Because I needed him to know that Yo this is what the people want You know what I mean So we gonna give him that at his finest And when I said I'm bringing my knife It's because I know this nigga's ill

I'm bringing my knife I'm coming to cut you So it's like you getting cut And he's like yo you getting shot So we kinda like Started the whole Beefing Atmosphere

Right But when I see Everybody else Going at it It's like It was interesting It was fun I knew they all

Loved each other At the end of the day I was just Hoping like Like Stiles said Nobody don't talk No Frank Stans shit You know what I mean

But They all handed it Like genuinely Just in case Like the locks Is over Done right now Frank Stan shit, man. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. They all handed it, like, genuinely. Just in case, like, the locks is overdone right now, is M.O.P. a possibility? Ooh.

That's just, that's, that's strong. What'd you say? I said just in case it locks, because you know, they did do two. That's strong. Dana and Alisa.

And keeping it New York. Ooh. Just in case they don't like the Daz and Corrupt. Right. Is M.O.P. option. Ooh, that'd be crazy. Listen, everybody's an option.

If you ask me, if you ask me, if you ask me. He said he'd battle anybody he don't care if you tell. But it's like, it's for hip-hop, and it's really just remembering the joints that we made that was moments. You know, I don't look at it like it's a hundred percent threat you know it's like watching the cane and care arrest it's like yo we love both of them yeah that's how I look at us with the lock it's like yo you gonna have people say whatever whether we battle whoever we battle but it's all about that fucking list. Right. So you got to make sure your list is like a machine gun. Right.

Especially for certain niggas. I want to see those fights. It's like when we go watch UFC fights or, you know what I mean, boxing. You want to see this shit. Right. I want to see a nigga fight a nigga that out my ass. I want to see this shit. So I know that, you know, that type of shit.

You know what I mean? It's the last one and I'm moving on. How about Beanie and Freeway? Ooh. Beanie's and Freeway. Ooh. Never thought about that neither. I'm just naming official rules.

That's close to home. Yeah. All the niggas you saying. It's like Ray said. Pick up the Beanie here out there With Kanye right now You know what I'm saying I hooked that up Yeah

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this is all out of fun man this is all out of love and shit it just makes the sport more better it's fun and I love we kissing them dick I love it I love with the dipicks. Come on, man. I love it. You know why?

I love what the dips did too. No, no, that's what I'm saying. They represented too. That's what I'm saying. It gave me a battery. Gave me a battery. Like from that shit, looking at that shit,

I probably told, I even told Kessler, I went and wrote like, I told both of them, she think, I wrote like three dots, four dots, just right after that.

You know what I mean? But it was like they shook the building. Right. All of them. Joe shit, Josh shit. Yeah. Everybody.

It's making that shit more interesting. But like how Ray said, it's the list. Yeah. It's the list because your list, because if your list is...

I had this. I spent hours going at this nigga for his list cause I ain't had nothing to beat Scarface you know what I mean

and all the other shit then he got Creamy then he got this one and that one it was like yo I know I got

records you know what I mean but all they playing with that you know that piece of steel that Cuba Lynx

is a motherfucker so I'm like what the fuck can I do I'm looking at damn near every album I ever did. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? That's shaking it for real, though.

Yeah. He really is. That's my brother, though. Yeah, but that's the reason why going against each other is probably super harder than working with each other. Working with each other is still sharp and still. You know what I'm saying? I've seen you do a show by yourself. I've seen Ray do a show by himself.

And then I see y'all do shows together. And it's just something about y'all. It's just the same thing when I see Styles and Jada. Not to exclude Sheik sometimes, but it's just sometimes Styles and Jada just fit like a fucking glove And I watched them in verses

And when they did Bad From TV I watched Sheik know when to fall back He knew exactly when to fall back Say a couple of ad-libs And I'm sitting This is my record So I'm sitting back like Yeah nigga

And I'm sitting back like Damn Sheik knew to fall the fuck back And then kiss And It went back to back And and they went back to back But show don't might have been the realest names I heard, like, come out the back. So, you know, I'm just saying the names. Oh, those three, those three, yeah.

Yeah, you know what I mean? But y'all, y'all too, man. You and your opponents. So me and Pone is over. Nah, y'all, y'all, y'all. Why you talking so loud, man? Y'all, that's all over. No, no, no, I'll tell you.

Come on over. It's over as a group. We're friends. It doesn't matter. You can come back. We're friends. I'm sick of seeing him every time I see him. I love him.

Nigga, yo. We don't make no games. Let me tell you, y'all. Let me tell Drink Champs and shit. You can come back to the first thing I see him. I love it. Yeah This thing let me tell you let me tell Drake James this shit this nigga discography is dangerous Ah, thank like we said it all goes back to that little about your wife What happened? They fronted us and said, now, see, you got a check coming. I don't know. Be fucking with me. See, you got a nice check. See, you got a nice check. Check your checks a little bit. I really tried.

I really tried. Yo, that was a beautiful one, man. I really tried, yeah. That was a beautiful one, man. I really tried, but he's on the bigger pastures. So Joe Buttons, you better watch out. I smashed him. I smashed him.

This dope. That's all right. Always remember. No, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Always remember. Oh Always remember it's like going to the fights man. You want to see a fight man? Which I'm saying I smoked your butt. Is this okay? You can't do it with your butt. He can do it 15 times. Let him do it 15 times. He can do it 15 times. It's okay.

I'm just playing, Joe, but I'm just playing. All right, so moving on. So the Verrazano Bridge. Y'all both sold papers on the Verrazano Bridge or just you? Yeah, probably just me. Just the papers.

That's how long I knew RZA. Because RZA had his own lane. I probably might have been, what? you yeah probably just me just the papers that's how long i knew rizzo like because we always we all i probably might might have been what about like 14 and some shit right we we standing on the verizono bridge like you know niggas got their bundles and shit and work for like fucking a dollar some two dollars or some shit right but n But y'all was catching matches after they come off the bridge? Yeah, like, just, you know, just trying to have a job and do something, but niggas was chasing money back then.

Yeah. You know, so, um, you know, like I said, what really made me attracted to RZA and JZA, because RZA had a big family. You know, I ain't have a big family like that. You know, I have a smaller family. And, um, you know, I always looked at them niggas like brothers, you know, I ain't have a big family like that. You know, I have a smaller family.

And, you know, I always looked at them niggas like brothers, you know? Big brothers and shit. Yo, niggas always had ballets and shit. You know, suede fronts and, you know, we going to school together. You know what I mean? Yo, you can wear these and shit. You know, vice versa. You know, but I always seen the potential.

Potential was there. But that's why their names are so close to Riz and the Jizzle. Because the niggas both throw blades. They, you know, and they own a little way. But it was this other dude that was so special that was the heart of war. And that's rest in peace, old dirty bastard. That's the heart of war. Yeah, it's the heart. I'm getting to that. peace old dirty bastard all right that's the hard yeah yeah i'm getting to that i won't rush that i don't know that's the heart of that okay i'm

getting to that oh oh hold on we're about to get we've got to get these these these boxes okay hold on we're going to do that too we'll do that before quick thomas yeah okay oh well um I want to get to you real quick. Grease was your favorite movie? What? Grease was one of your favorite movies? Grease? John Travolta in the backseat. Hell yeah, that was the shit. I ain't know that shit.

You know my favorite movie? I told the fucking dog father. Oh, yeah, of course. You know when we going down that lane. But I still going down that five, nigga. I still going down that five. Nigga still got my five, nigga. I still got my five. I would have lost a bet, nigga. Nah, Grease is Grease, man.

I would have lost a bet, too. Shout out to John Travolta. I would have told Ray, Ray, we watching some different shit. Ray is a different nigga, bro. He's a classic dude. You know my favorite movie of all time is definitely

Once Upon a Time in America. You seen that? Yep. You seen that, seen that? That shit is like two Scarfaces right there. You know what I mean? That's a Mexican shit, right?

Nah, that ain't the Mexican joint. I'm thinking about American meat. Yeah, but that one kind of, yeah, that kind of inspired the purple tape. That inspired it,

you know what I mean? That was one of my favorite joints right there. But what did you like about Grease? It's just, you know,

I was a kid watching Grease. Like, just the whole fun of the way they was acting you know what I mean like happy days like the movie is you know I mean he wasn't watching happy days nigga was the first thing I seen with a leather on and jeans yeah this shit

cocked up to be clear Yeah, this shit was piggity pop. And he was a pimp. Let's be real. He was pimpin'. He was pimpin'. He was pimpin'. He was pimpin'. That's why I like Grease because it was like the niggas was like a crew. Getting in this shit, this nigga bag, you know, turned out though. Right. In a good way though.

So it was like, I don't know, it was a dope movie. It was a kid's movie. If y'all want to go there, shit, I like The Wizard of Oz, niggas. Which one? The one with Michael? Yeah, of course. The one with Michael's official. Stephanie Mills and all that.

Yeah. You seen that one. The one with Michael's official. Of course, of course. Diana Ross, you know what I mean? Yes, I like black film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

The one with Stephanie Mills and the one with Diana Ross? Nah, right? Nah, nah, nah. Diana was, she was the one. It was Diana. I think it was Michael and Diana the one. I feel like Nah, right? Nah, nah, nah. Diana wasn't, she wasn't in the wizard. It was, I think it was Michael and Diana the one. I feel like it's one black

wizard boss. Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, and who else? The 10-man nigga. Nipsey Hussle.

Yeah, it was like that. That was the name, Nipsey Hussle. Nipsey Hussle, right? Nipsey Hussle, yeah. I said Hussle, yeah. Come on, manussle, yeah. I said Hussle, yeah. Come on, man.

There's a lot of great movies out there, man. Fuck it, man. Cooley High, nigga. Cooley High. Lean on me? Lean on me? Does Lean on Me make it? Nah.

Lean on me. That's cool. Nah, but Lean on Me is out. Cooley High hit different in the back and all that good shit. In the back, okay. I'm into that shit. How about Break It? Break It?

Break It. Break It one and two? Break It. Fuck that. Beat Street. Beat Street is the better one, yeah. Beat Street's the better one. I'm into that shit. How about Breaking? Breaking? Breaking 1 and 2? Fuck that. B-Street. B-Street is the better one. B-Street's the better one. Crush Groove?

Crush Groove is dope. Crush Groove is the shit. No, it's American Me. Listen. American Me? American Me is the shit. And Blood In and Blood Out, which is actually the true story of that. Blood In and Blood Out.

Yeah. Fire. Listen, we don't know if y'all know. Ray, we know you know this is your third third time on this show we really appreciate this is your first time

on this show but we want you to know this that our show in any other category in any other genre of music there's no such thing as called washed up

or being here too long it's only in hip hop so we want to change that trajectory we want to change that and we want to give people Their flowers

So when you hear people Saying giving their flowers We made that up Not we made up the statement We made up making that famous Because we wanted to Look at our brothers In their faces

Tell them how great they are And not be ashamed of that And we This is what we're doing With y'all two brothers We are not ashamed Y'all two are the greatest Two

Lyricists by ourselves And together So we wanted to get Y'all two are the greatest two lyricists by yourselves and together, so we want to get y'all a gift from us. You know what I'm saying? Give y'all motherfucking flowers to y'all motherfucking face. It is a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower.

It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower. It's a flower trying to be a flower. Shout out to What The Flowers, Organic Food Kings. No doubt, baby.

We got a liquor from Best Buy Liquors. Yeah, shout out to Best Buy Liquors. Best Buy Liquors. Come on, come on. Yeah. And at What The Flowers. Let me ask you a question. Yeah.

This shit is candy and some shit? No, it's golden flowers. Those real flowers. Those real golden flowers. They're plated gold. They last about five years. Whoa. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So in our eyes, it's like a trophy that we want you to respect. Thank you. Let me keep with my emotions. No, no. Thank y'all for joining us. We want y'all to really know because in all honesty,

you're my peers, you're my brothers, you're my friends, but that doesn't take away from y'all greatness. You understand what I'm saying? I didn't do this interview saying that, you know, you're my peers, you're my brothers, you're my friends, but that doesn't take away from your greatness. You understand what I'm saying? I didn't do this interview saying that, you know, Ghost is my friend and Ray is my friend and they're my brothers, so I'm a slack. In no way, shape, form, or fashion, that's not what I want to do. I want to, when we started this show, we wanted to say, you know what, our legends deserve this, Lane.

You know what I'm saying? Like, God bless, you know, the new dudes, but they can go to Andy Martinez. You can go to, you know,? Our legends deserve this, Lane. You know what I'm saying? Like, God bless, you know, the new dudes. But they can go to Andy Martinez. You can go to, you know, the Breakfast Club or whatever. That's their platform. But where's our platform for after we bust an ass and we still looking good. We still out here shining. We still got the best watches and the best jewelry on.

And we survived. Where the fuck is my husband going? Where did we go? And God bless that Because you know Rock the Bells Follows Suit And there's so many other Platforms that's following

Suit of Us But we're the original We what We wanted to do We wanted to be here And we wanted to You know Give flowers to our

Our parents You know what I'm saying? All praise to Stu yup salute to both of y'all brothers so so we got a game that we play

this is where the story goes on after the flowers comes so we gonna play a game it's called Quick Time with Salon. Don't worry about it. We're going to play the game with y'all. So this is how they play the game.

I'm going to give y'all two options. Like I'll say watermelon or coconut. You can say coconut. You can say watermelon. No shot. But if you say no, I like watermelon and coconut, then we take a shot. Or if you say neither. Or if you say no I like watermelon and coconut give me take a shot what if you say leave neither so you just pick one and do we move on already all right cool let's get it up I'm not both questions right just one

and then one right we've we've fucked this before all the time. We always fuck it up. Don't worry about it. It's a lie. All right. Go with both of y'all on this question. Gizzo or Inspector Dan? Here we go. I go first? Yes. Damn. Yeah. See, let me tell you something.

Jesus. Jesus. Deck is the best lead-off man I ever seen or heard in my life. You know what I mean? Smoke it on the mic like choke it, choke Frazier. Yeah, I bomb atomically. Sideshow with your high philosophy. I don't even believe I said that shit.

Yeah. High philosophies. Genius. I don't know. He's the fucking New York Times. He was hard. Yeah. You had a liquid sword just like... Yo, let me tell you, his word play, I always wanted He's the fucking New York Times Yeah Liquid Swords is like

Yo let me tell you his wordplay I always wanted him and Nas to To get in there You know what I mean But um Who you going with That's a shot It's like

It's like Deck is a young jizzer Number one You know Deck is a young Jizzer, number one. Right. Okay. You know, Deck is very powerful when he has to be. Right. You know what I mean?

He's dangerous on the mic. Jizzer. He's grandmaster. He's a monster. It's shit that we still haven't heard from him that he come around and say shit. Jizzer's a scientist. It's like his wordplay like who rhymes about animals like you don't fuck with a nigga that rhyme about animals that make songs and concepts

and this and that and then don't get me wrong ain't taking nothing away from inspector deck because like you said yeah he's a full-time shooter yeah if he if he gotta hit something he gonna hit it it's gonna get hit but's like, whose wordplay can go deeper? Who got words? I wasn't never really good at words. That's why I'm like, damn, I should have just been in school, just paying more fucking attention. You know what I mean? Because if my vocabulary wasn't there like that, it would have been trouble for a lot more motherfuckers.

You know what I mean? But I would have to probably on this one bend to Jizz. That's Jizz. Yeah. You doing the same thing? See, I'm a Paul Kill nigga, so Deck is a Paul Kill nigga, but...

Y'all niggas getting... Territorial. Territorial. I like it. I like it. Deck is dangerous, man. Y'all go back and listen to some of the shit he did on the first album. It's like we always knew he was strong.

He got like that, too, once he came home from jail, too. It's like that bid did something to him. But, you know, yeah, I probably would go with, I would probably go with, what's the name, man? Dec, you don't fully want to say it. I got your back. I got your back. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here. I'm out of here.'s-her-name. You don't fully want to say it? I got your back. I got your back. I'm going to take a drink for that one. This one is a little easier.

Mobb Deep or M.O.P.? Damn, bro. Not easy. It's easier for the wolf. For members of the wolf, it's easier. We drinking. What's up? I'm deep on M.O.P.

Whichever way you like it. Nah, because those is like, it's really like, it's your preference. You know? M.O.P. is fucking Niggas is like Stomp the shit out of you That's what I'm trying to say Like Streets of streets

The locks of streets M.O.P. is like Yo You know what I mean That'll be a good battle You see the boots on the niggas You know what I'm saying You can smell they timbre

Yeah exactly But um It's not like you're taking a shot, ghost. M-O-P and M-O-R-B. It's a shot. Yeah, I might gotta take that shot. Take a shot. That's no talking about.

That's no talking about. They can't beat us. They playing the goddamn. But here's the deal. We take a shot with you. We take a shot with you. It's a baby shot. Yeah, baby shot with you. We take a baby shot. Yeah, baby shot.

Baby shots is welcome. Baby shot, you know what I mean? Baby shots is welcome. A shot's a shot. Don't have to be a bitch. Baby shots is welcome. It seems like this is halftime right here, because it's like...

Salud. Cheers, cheers. All right, no doubt. Salud. Love is love. Salud. Love is love. All right, hold on.

See, y'all coming up with interesting shit. So, you know, that's what make it fun, man. Look at Norby over there brainstorming shit. He's trying to figure out how to ask you a question. He's calculating. Big pun or biz marquee? Now, where you get that from? And rest in peace to both

Rest in peace to both Your preference It doesn't matter I always gotta go first right? I don't know why I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry Ray

I'm sorry I'm coming for you Why are you doing that to me? You know what I mean? I might gotta take another shot to that? You know what I mean? I might got to take another shot to that. But you know what? Palmer's crazy. Right.

Lyrical shit, like. Right. Road shit. Like, he just road, road, road. Favorite shit was Italy. Do you know what I mean? Italy. Italy.

Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy.

Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy. Italy. Damn.

But you know what I'm an 80s I'm an 80s dude too At the same time So it's like Biz Biz like gave me my soul too Like

Like Like you got I got more moments You know what I mean Cause that's when Union Square and all that Was ringing off And you know what I mean Like that's when Union Square and all that Was ringing off And you know what I mean

Like I would've seen all that Yeah and just Just when you was Out there hustling It was like When you heard Doom doom doom doom

Doom doom Doom doom doom doom He's bismarck It's like It's not bismarck It was moments It was moments He's bismarck

It was moments It was moments It was moments So who you going for? I got that for David. Come on. Listen. Look, I love how Ray know the game.

I got to go biz. I got to go biz. I'm going biz. You're going biz? Okay. I respect that. I love pun. I love pun.

It was just moments though. It was like growing up. Like, they're like, come on, man. You going with the vapors. Yeah. You know what I mean? more man. You know the vapors. Yeah, cuz I mean I know people still got the vapors right exactly puff daddy or sure sure puff daddy or sure

puff You know why because when we hit that sauce awards that day here I Ain't like that shit shook, pulled off. Yo, was that the Sauce Awards when he said? Yes. Wait a minute. Front row blacked down like 200 niggas. You know what?

I've never had anybody that was actually there. I was there, baby. Didn't we? Yeah, we was there. We had Benzino in here. Yeah, but he was behind us. Nah, he was there. This is in the scenes.

Sauce Awards, yeah. Oh, damn. I'm so sorry. This is called Quick Time with Slump, but we need behind the scenes. This is in the scenes. He was... Source Awards, yeah. Oh, damn. I'm so sorry. This is called Quick Time with Slime, but we need to hear the story. Okay, what the fuck happened? This is where we slow it down with Slime. Because I was in jail.

A word? Yeah. Kapow was there. Because regardless of what, you know, when Q-Means came and I said that skit on there and all this other shit like that,

that kind of was still in the air and shit. Right. You know what I mean? So you say, you're a bad boy. That was the same level. Yeah, I would...? So you say you're a bad boy. Yeah. Not on the same level. Yeah, I would.

Yeah, you say that a little bit. But when Silk said that. I'm with bad boy. Right. I'm with bad boy right there. Like, at that time, I was waiting for it to get set, niggas to set it off. Like, yo, fuck that.

You know what I mean? Because you in New York now. Right. Doing that shit. Right that You know what I mean Cause you In New York now Right Doing that shit Right You know what I mean Like yo And then You know

They did what they did And nothing jumped off But I was there With that shit like that Like You know what I mean Like

Fuck it yo Right You know what I mean We was in the building Right We had Everybody came black down Just because

You know what I'm saying But respectfully Shilk didn't diss New York He didn't He dissed a particular part of New York Yeah but at that See I'm different Like I'm just thinking

In my heart it's like Yo nigga you here nigga You know what I mean And that's how it was Like you know what I mean But I get it He ain't dissing You know what I mean

But then after they Did that shit Snoop came down And kicked the buildings down And shit You know what I mean But I get it He ain't this You know what I mean But then after they Did that shit Snoop came down And kicked the buildings Down and shit Right You know what I mean But

Mep is on that same album Right So you know But um Wow Yeah and that was it What you said No I'm just

But Cause that shit That shit was all Remember I did L.A.L.A. So So that shit was all Bumped out to me. You did it after before.

With the buildings? Yeah, no, the song came out. We did L.A. L.A. immediately after they dropped New York, New York. We never dissed them. So they kicked the buildings down first. Then they kicked the buildings after. But the song, the song New York, New York wasn't necessarily dissing New York lyrically. It was Biggie Paul and Biggie said, yo, these dudes are shooting a video.

And what was it? No, it was Williamsburg. It was in Brooklyn where they got shot at. Oh, it's Red Hook. Excuse me. It's Red Hook. It's Red Hook. And Biggie said, yo, so this is going to happen?

So the boys from Red Hook lit it up. That's when the video turned into a bad video. That's when we turned our video into a bad video. But we just responded. Right, right. So it was a little different for us. But I wasn't there at that Source Awards. I've never.

Yeah, man, we was up there. Right. And is that the same Source Awards where OutKast jumped on and said, South had something to say? No, I think that's a different one. It's a different one. No, it's the same one. It is?

It was. Oh, man, that's a historical source. That was 95, right? 94, 95, I believe. 95. Yeah. 95. Everybody felt some kind of way. Yo, we smoking weed.

We smoking weed in there. In there. Like in the ceremony joint. They just over there blowing in the corner. Because y'all own security. It's none of y'all. Like y'all don't need security. Everybody's their own security.

Everybody's their own security. It's none of y'all. There's no one fucking with the wolf. Nah, but. We was in the building though. But that shit was kind of bugged out. That night, that day was kind of bugged out. Okay.

Moving on. 90s versus 2000 hip-hop. 90s. And the reason why I'm saying that is because it was a lot more creativity going on. You know what I mean? Meaning, like, you know, you had niggas talking tough and slick and all that, but everybody had hit records.

Right. You know, everybody had hit records. Like, we could swing a week and spin the bottle. Everybody was really raining at a certain time. But, you know, 2000 hip-hop, you know, it became more mainstream faster than what we did because we were still covering a lot of ground just being creative first. We wanted to be creative.

Niggas believed in their albums. More into producing and creating. We wasn't trying to get over with one joint. We wasn't trying to come to the show lip-syncing. You know what I mean? It was like it was a certain gladiator school that was, like he said earlier, yo, certain niggas that inspire you.

Like, when we sit here and listen to, you know, Nori and The Reunion and The War Report, and it's like, yo, niggas run back home and start digging in their own pens. So that's, to me, I don't see that that wasn't really the chemistry in 2000 or more like that. Like, to me, I don't see that that wasn't really the chemistry in 2000 or more like that.

Like, they should, but then again, a lot of them wasn't even born when he was out. Right. So you can't,

you can't, you can't take nothing away from them. But you can still have your own opinion about it, even though you can't not

guess what they... I'm looking at the tunnel. I love it. We in the tunnel, baby. Yeah. Doing anything. Like, yo, now, you know know it is what it is now but it was just a certain aura back then. Like certain aura. You know what I mean? So you know just nowadays it's cool. Don't get me wrong. I'm not dissing the younger cats because that's another generation right there.

It's a generation that will never stay the same. So this is what we're dealing in right now. You got to learn how to be amongst them now. At the same time, still be yourself. You know what I mean? So that's why you drop jewels on them and work with these cats and do what they do. But as far as for me, feeling-wise, feeling, like how Ray was saying, like, yo, darts is going, yo, oh, shit.

You know what I mean? Just drop nines and drop the, I mean that shit. You know what I mean? I see. So you always got those dudes that look for those, you know what I mean, those trailblazers. You know, it's like how we love the Knicks forever. You know?

We doing good this year. We doing good this year. You can't stop it. So far. You know? Right. Let how we love the Knicks forever. You know? We doing good this year. We doing good this year. You can't stop it. So far. Right. Let's not jinx it. Because every time I say we doing good, the Knicks start fucking up. So let's edit this part.

In fact, Snoop or Buster? In what? Whatever category you want it to be. Okay. Buster is a machine Busta is a machine But Snoop is a machine It's like yo

What you mean star power? Whatever you want It's whatever criteria Busta It's nobody beating Busta for form I don't That's why I agree with you

And Snoop will probably agree with you To go against Busta Even to right now Like I tell you I say I don't know who could go with Buss. Maybe a Missy Elliott? Maybe.

You know what I mean? Nah, I said, well, I knew somebody, but y'all was like, niggas was like, I don't know. I said Lil Wayne. I said Lil Wayne is my nigga. He's a clever fox. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you mean records? I'm saying just going at it.

Them two just... All right, I got you. Hits, hits, hits, hits, hits, hits. Just their creativeness. They creative shit. LL too. I never looked at it. They more creative.

Busta and LL too. Oh, LL. Nah, but you know who I would have put? I would have put K-Rest against Busta. No. I would have put K-Rest against LL. Yeah. No. I would have put K.R.S. against LL. Yeah. I would have did that.

K.R.S. and LL. I would have did that and let Kane and Rakim figure it out. Kane and Rakim. And figure it out. Yeah. Kane and Rakim was the battle everyone wanted to see. Even though we settled for K.R.S. It was a great battle.

But Kane and Rakim is the war of the words. Smooth dudes. Right. I agree with you. I think KRS and LL would have complimented each other a little bit more. But let's just stick to the steps. Snoop and...

Snoop and... My God. You know what? I mean, like I said, ain't nobody Messing with And I think Snoop Even know that Right

When it comes to like As far as Performing You know what I mean And shit like that But Star power Snoop got star power

You know what I mean Ain't nobody More famous than Snoop Yeah Snoop is like One of the most Globally Biggest fucking

Buster Corona commercial. No, I'm talking about Corona commercials and all this other shit. Snoop did. He said Corona commercial. Yeah, he did. He got Corona commercial.

Not the virus. Not the virus. Listen. During coronavirus, he had a Corona commercial. Corona commercial. It was him. Yo. He fixed the Corona for them.

They went to him. Right. Fixed the corona for them. They went to him to fix the corona. So, you know, I don't know. That's why, it depends, man. And if I gotta take a shot. You don't know,

that's a shot. You gotta take a shot if you don't know. Alright, so you take a shot too, right? Yeah, I take a shot too. No problem. I take a shot. Yeah, yeah, no problem.

No problem, my brother. Yeah, damn, my brother. Pardon me for saying I take a shot because y'all be in shock. Okay, alright, you ain't have to take a shot, right? I'm a hot shoot

But you That's That's real brother But why he don't gotta take the shot No because Cause it's your pick I think he does though You made that up

I'm just fucking around Salute my brother Salute Salute You sound like a Double single man Anybody gotta take the shot I'm talking to you

Yeah I gotta take a BB's But I'm waiting for you Yeah look, y'all. Yeah, halftime. I gotta take a BB's, but I'm with you. Yeah, look at you. Latifah or Light? Ooh. Ooh. And I love them both.

Wow. Light had the voice. You didn't take your baby shot, Coach. Damn, man. That's the baby shot, Coach. You good. That's a hard one. Yeah, you right.

You right. Latifah or Light? Latifah. Latifah was a voice. Like, when I think of Latifah, I think about... You and Latifah? Yes, that was on my mind right there. Just, you know...

Who you calling the bitch? You know, Light was hard as a rock. Oh, that's right. At YTE. Nah, I was locked up. I think I succeeded. I heard, when I first locked up I think I 16 I heard When I first heard

A cram to understand you That was the shit Right there Yeah You know the place Empire Boulevard Where I first saw the nigga And he tried to play y'all

That was that Yo I remember I seen him in the rooftop Back in the days This was the cocaine And polo goose days though You know We used to

We used to troop it up there To um Up to Harlem 155th It used to troop it up there Up to Harlem 155th It used to be the school next to it Before the Rucker Right Yeah right there the Rucker We was in the Rucker

Before the Rucker was the Rucker We was up in the bleachers Just cooling out up there Just getting high Before we go in the rooftop Peewee Kirkley hustling You know what I'm saying And we used to be up there

Niggas be getting right And then walk across the street right in the rooftop But I remember the first time I seen on MC light do a shit She had a velour suit on chain on her voices ill Yeah, but I'm gonna go with light light But the Queen is the Queen no to So I don't know what the fuck Matter of fact I gotta

I gotta press that button back I'm looking at Tifa right now Cause both of them is I love Tifa too I love her I might gotta agree with Ray With the light? Gotta what? Gotta get a rough neck?

Yeah yeah yeah Rough neck, yeah, yeah, yeah. Roughneck and crammed to understand you and shit. You can't crammed to understand you? Yeah. Self-destruction and all this shit, right? Alright, alright. Yeah, we getting good. Hold on.

Okay. E... Oh, no, excuse me. DMX or Tupac? Mmm. Oh. Oh no excuse me DMX or Tupac Right Mmm Oh He said DMX or Tupac Well come on He's like what else

Like like like like And what Like Whatever you want It's gotta be The criteria in your mind You know why Because

Tupac You know he was like He was like He was sitting here They both on some people percent don't get me wrong because I could exist Almost had me crying one day. You know, I mean, but always happy from yes shit like that. You don't mean but his records When they bring off In the club it was bigger. I never got to see Pac perform.

You mean about X or Pac? Really, what X? But Pac was like... I got to see X perform, not Pac. No, I got to see Pac perform. I never met Pac. Yeah, I never met Pac. That's crazy.

Yeah, I never met Pac. You met Pac? I met him one time at the Sorcerer's. We was walking past each other. Same Sorcerer's of work. No, no Because they had a cage at did also free pox Yeah, but now I walk by a pot not at that not not the source Who was we talking about because number when they was up to a performance? There was a cage up there. Oh, yeah

Yeah was a cage up there oh yeah I wasn't even home yet yeah I met the nigga yeah you probably met him but probably at another another event yeah probably 95 wasn't the first one right right nah I think 94 was the first one probably met him in there yo have google that Yo, have them Google that. But on boom. We just met on the walk by though. I'm a drink to that. We met on the walk by, yo. That's it? Yeah, that was it though. We just moving. In all respect.

So, who you gonna go next? Nas or Hov? So, who did you pick? Yeah, what happened? No, I, no. Oh, wow. So what did you pick? I didn't even know. Yeah, what happened? What happened? What happened to the bottle? No, I said, I'm going to drink to that. OK.

You can take a baby shot. You ain't got to go crazy. I came with some McCool, man. Hey, I got you, Rick. You know? Take a baby shot. You ain't got to go crazy. Fink.

Fink. You know what I'm saying? Can I take a sip of this one? Absolutely. Or do I do? Do your thing. All right, cool. Salud.

Cheers, fellas. Salud. Salud. Respect. All right, hold on. Moving on. on. We're drinking raise niggas up here at the own triangle. What shit motherfucker? This should be easy evil Missy This And that's no disrespect no Everyone knows that catalog catalog And that's no disrespect. No, no, we know that. I'm just looking at, you know. Everyone knows that.

Catalog, catalog, all that shit, just like that. I love eating. Yeah, Missy, Missy, though. Okay. Yeah, we fucking eat. Now, this is for you, Ghost. Marvin Gaye or Stevie Wonder? Ooh. Ooh.

Ooh. Sorry, we're trying to get you to drink. In case you don't know. I figured you out. Check it out. I'm going to have to go Stevie. Ooh. I'm going to go Stevie.

You know Stevie. Stevie catalog is crazy, right? It's crazy. But Marvin is that nigga, though, but... Yeah. That's a hard one. That's like Kane to rock him, but... I'm going to have to go.

I'm going to have to go, Stevie. You might as well just pour me a shot. Oh, shit. I guess we all drinking in here. All right, cool. We all drinking there. All right, fuck it. You got to hit it.

You got to hit it because of... Yeah. But I feel you know Stevie is the you know, no, I'm gonna show you exactly where we at. Okay, we're right here Oh, yeah Okay, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right, y'all ready? Hold on, hold on, hold on. So now we're going to executive talk. Steve Rifkin or Russell Simmons? You know what? Man. Two good brothers, man. Two good brothers. You know, I don't know if...

I got... Steve put a song or shit. You know what I mean? Right. You don't want to make it seem like it's just like that, but you know what I mean? Right. And I don't want to make it seem like it's just like that, but you know what? We got history. I might have to take a sip

to that or something. You know what I mean? Because, uh, Russell was fucking death jammed. You know what I mean? Him and Ruben. And you were death jammed too? Yeah, I was death.

You know what I mean? Yeah. See? So, so, are we taking a shot? I don't know. That was an iffy question. Answer it. You know what I mean? Yeah. See? So are we taking a shot? I don't know. That was an iffy question to answer here. You know what I mean?

But you know what I know? But I know Rifkin. I learned from Steve and from Russell. Russell. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Like, they like the golf arms of Steve, too. No, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, of course. You know what I mean? Russell's the blueprint. Exactly. Right. I'm going to go for Russell only because They seen something that created a movement in hip-hop They was the pioneers of that

They bridged that Right You know, and Russell, he had a lot to do with believing in it On top of knowing his brother You know what I'm saying? Right His baby brother get busy You know what I'm saying? Right. It's made me brother get busy. You know what I'm saying?

His brother get busy. Right. Right, right, right. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, so they whole vision back then was so held at it that I don't even think they knew that they was going to create a genre that was going to be the way it is today. Because we talking 40 years ago, 30 years. What are we talking about? How old is years, whatever it is. We talking about? How does it pop?

We talking about Steve and Russell. Steve and Russell. I'm going for Russell because of the legacy that they created for us. Okay. Illmatic or ready to die? Illmatic.

Crazy. You answered that fast. You ain't got to say the information because I'm coming back to it. Okay, we coming back to it. Woo. Crazy. You answered that fast. Nah. You ain't got to say the information because I'm coming back to it. Okay, we're coming back to it. Yeah. I'm going to go with Illmatic. I like that.

Major or independent? Nowadays? Whatever you want Independent Independent What's up Ray? These majors is robbing the shit out you They're keeping your fucking masters They're doing all this other sucker shit

You know what I mean now Maybe if you had a You was on a major And they rocked with you for like one year Just to get your name up And then go indie You know what I mean That's kind of cool

Even maybe two years You know what I mean Get you two Oh just do two albums Or you're indie And you pop it And you go to the major To take advantage of that shit

And the deal's in your favor Why would you want to do that I'm saying the deal's in your favor. Why would you want to do that? I'm saying the deal's in your favor, though, at that point. If you're already good at it. Right, right, right, right, right. If you're good at it, yeah. Right. What you think, Ray?

You know, indie is always good, but major is just a lesson learned, you know? It's a lesson learned? It's a lesson learned. It's a lesson that come out of that. It raises you to be intelligent and gives you a blueprint on how to learn about business. Right. So I probably would have probably sacrificed that way just to learn a little bit more, you know. But independent is my shit, so at the end of the day, I'm going to drink on that one. I don't mind taking another drink for that one.

I didn't expect that. No, you ain't got to drink for that. All right, cool. It's okay. You ain't got to do it. This is the first time he accepts drinks. Yeah, yeah. Al Green.

No, no, no, because I'll let you get away with it, too. Yeah, you let me slide. Okay, Al Green or Teddy Pentegrast? No, no, no, you're sliding. Al Green or Teddy? You mean the broken heart? You know what? I'm going a teddy You mean the broken heart But you know what I'ma go teddy I'ma go teddy

Based off the catalog And based on Come here woman That type shit That nigga was That nigga scared the shit out you B That nigga said Turn off the lights

Man hard I'm like yo Oh shit Fuck is this Scared the bitch nigga said turn off the lights man I'ma go Teddy. Oh, shit. You Teddy? Teddy. Yeah, go Teddy. All right, this one, I don't know where y'all gonna go with this one. The box or video music box? The box. The box.

Video. Oh, video? That was easy like that? Rock. To me, yeah. Let's make some noise for rock. Yeah. Come on, man.

Let's make some noise for rock, man. That was That was That was Shit that was playing on TV out of New York, right? You ain't order your own video? No, the box was actually The box was

The box was in Miami Beach. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. But it wasn't in New York, though. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. You didn't order your own video on the box? No.

I never did that. What's that? What, what, what? You had to have W-H-T or some shit? You had to have a $1.29. No. When you going to a hotel, you had the box playing and all that other shit. Yeah. Nah, I never was that wait wait wait you have that wh TSM 29 Like videos no, I order that shit and the labels with dumb mad money What you going with Ralph, okay, yeah, okay, all right biggie a big out either one of you big Scarface ice cube

Scarface Tds a great contenders man. Yeah, that's the type shit you talking about drink today Your baby shot. Do a baby shot. Get a season of this shit. Take a baby sip. Yeah, yeah. Take a sip. Yeah, yeah.

Hold on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Give me a season of that type of shit. You know what I mean? I feel you.

You know what, man? That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah. Come on. Let's connect. I'm honored to take a shot. Let's do that.

Let's all look. All right. It's a good one? Yeah. Come on, let's connect. I'm honored to take a shot with you. So I look. All right. It's a good one right here. We heard here, but executive producing, your supreme clientele too. Kanye or Pharrell? Pharrell. I'm talking about just beats. I mean, sometimes I'm like, yo, who got the bigger name or just beats?

Listen, you're the Iron name or just beats? Listen, you're the Iron Man. Whatever the fuck you want to take, we're going to go with whatever the fuck. Whichever choice you go with,

we're going with you. And it's 100% true he's executive producing the... No, we spoke on it, though. Okay, okay.

We put this in fruition. It's happening. We spoke on it. In fruition? Yeah, you know that, man. Right, right.

We put it into the floor regime, man. Yeah, it's happening. I, you know that, man. We put it into the floor regime, man. I love them both, though, but you know what? Easy might got this one. Okay. Hold on. Who was it again? Pharrell or Kanye.

What? Whatever. I'm going to go with Ye. I'm going to go with Ye. Coogee Rap or Master Ace? Cheap Rap. I love Master Ace. Yeah, Master Ace.

Cheap Rap. Podcast or radio? I love Master Ace Yeah I love Ace Yeah Master Ace Too bad Too bad Too bad Podcast or radio? Podcast Only because I feel like You can say You can curse

And you can just Really be yourself You can express yourself Yeah It's a better expression It ain't like It's being governed You know

You gotta listen to the same shit every 15 minutes, you know? Here's a good one. You called this earlier. No, over Nas. Nas and Jay. I knew that was somewhere in there. Damn.

Yeah, right answer that Just give me a drink I love that y'all playing the game I love that y'all playing the game You can pour me one too I'm drinking with you Just give me a fucking drink, man Give me a fucking drink, man

I love both of them brothers, man Put me a little ice in my Hove came in and walked his dog Walked his dog Hove came in and walked his dog Walked his dog Cove? Yeah He walked his dog He came in and

Came in just like us That was my boss at one time You know I'm used to calling boss At Def Jam? What? That's my A nigga gotta sign up for me To get some money

Or do whatever I gotta do You're my boss Cove ain't like that Yeah He might be out trying to play me sign off on me to get some money or do whatever I gotta do. You're my boss. All right. Hov ain't like that. All right. Yeah. He might have been out trying to play me.

Right. But he ain't, you know. Oh, he thought you was being funny when you was saying it. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.

Nah, it's because he respect y'all so much. No, no, but you're my boss though. Right. You know what I mean? You meant it. I don't give a fuck how you say it. Yeah.

And I wasn't playing either. Right. I'm serious. Wow. You know what I mean? But, um, yeah. Yeah, and I wasn't playing either. I'm serious. You know what I mean? But, yeah. And Nas is a fucking... They both lyrical geniuses and shit. So we're just evening it out, right?

Nas and Hovum will drink the out. All right. Here's this one. Fourth disciple or true master? Ooh. True Master made a lot of joints. Forth made mad joints, too. Forth made impossible and all that other shit.

True Master made fish, man. True Master made fish. This is an amazing conversation. I love this. This is how I'm setting up. This is going down UTA history right here. Yo, listen. True Master made Brooklyn Zoo, nigga. I love this. This is all straight up. This is going down the U-Tank history right here. Yo, listen.

You master made Brooklyn Zoo, nigga. He made Brooklyn, yeah, you right. This is historical. Yeah. Think about who you got. I'm going with you. You got to go with the truth. Okay. Think about it. So who you got? What is it?

I'm going with True. You got to go with True? Okay. True Master. Yeah, True Master. Yeah. Whatever songs Forth got up there. Forth got, um got I know he had some

Killer Army shit That was crazy too I just can't know the name of it Probably had some Gravedigger shit too He was definitely RZA's weapon They both He was down

Was he down with Bring the Ruckus and all that Nah I don't think so I think that was all RZA If I'm not mistaken though But you know what I might because he did biscuits for me too Mike I might gotta lean true I might lean true

okay but it might be a 50-49 split or something like that you know what I mean okay 51-49 or something you know what I mean that's fair Okay. 51-49 or something. You know what I mean? That's fair. Yeah. Okay, the killer tape or hard-boiled? Killer tape or hard-boiled. Which one was hard-boiled again? That was the same killer. That was the same killer.

It was the same killer word. But he was Americanized as hard-boiled, right? Yeah, mama that shit. Yeah. Killer. Killer tape. The killer was the shit yeah i'm going to kill it too killer killer stupid killer all right miami or atl right now you in miami

all right now here's fuck is going on? All right. Now, here's where we go, Craze. Come do me, or I love you, Rakim. Mm. Come do me. I'm not going to do me. Here I am

I'm going I love you Joaquin Alright Alright Five deadly venoms or master killer The movies Five we going with the five The five was crazy The five was crazy

Five was fucking crazy You Going Five was crazy. Five. Five was the first movie. Five was fucking crazy. You. Going to kill you. And your mother. You're like, why is his mouth moving so fast? You said RZA made y'all watch the movies. He didn't really make, make, make. But I'm saying it felt like it was a part of

like the boot camp. It just, it was boot camp. But he didn't make niggas. Nah, he, no, no, no, no. It was boot camp, though. But he ain't making niggas. Nah, he ain't forced because it was around. It was like, sandwiching out. It was like,

yo, you going to the crib. And karate flicks was the shit anyway. Yeah, yeah. Karate flicks was the shit anyway. That's the spot. Yeah.

And on all you just, you don't see news. It's like, you're looking at it. It's either the game or flick. Okay. You know what I mean?

It's around. And that's what it was. Yeah. That's crazy. And you're or flick. Okay. You know what I mean? It's around. And that's what it was. That's crazy. And you're making beats. Yeah. Nah, but five deadly venoms is crazy. Let me ask you a question. Nori.

Okay, hold on. But I'm not finished yet. You can ask me one question. No, no, no. Ask me a question. Let's go, man. I'm ready. All right.

I'm ready. The Mac of Superfly. I'm going with the Mac. Wait, but Superfly was ill, too. Ain't that Superfly when he had the fish in his shit? Or no? No, that's not it. That's Car Wash you probably talking about.

No, no, I'm going to get you sucked. Yeah, I'm going to get you sucked. That's a comedy. I'm telling a different movie altogether. I'm going to get you sucked. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get you sucked. That's a movie out of the loop. You know what I'm saying?

The Mack of Superfly. The Mack, the Mack, the Mack. Bring it, bring it with me. The Mack of Superfly. All right, all right, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because we almost done. Yo, this is it. This is gonna make a super flop. All right, all right, hold on, hold on, hold on, because we almost done. Oh, this is it. This is it. This is it?

This is it. Loyalty or respect? That is the correct answer to this. That is the correct answer. I don't understand why I said that. Sitting back and saying, yo, I like loyalty, I like respect.

Yeah, yeah. Like, you can't really have one without the other. So, yeah. Thank you, Ray. Thank you. Thank you, Ray. Loyalty is respect, baby.

I've been trying to say that, too. And respect comes with loyalty as well. They both come together. There's not one without the other. You're like the first guest. Everyone, they be sitting there contemplating. And they give us a great answer. They both come together. There's not one without the other. You're like the first guest. Everyone, they be sitting there contemplating.

And they give us a great answer. We love them, but honestly, they go together. I'm sorry. What you want to say? I want respect over loyalty? Right. So you don't want your man or your woman to be loyal? Right.

So you want RZA for his roommates? Yeah. You got to say you've seen it like that now. Your man and your woman to be loyal right so so you are Christopher's roommates I said, three's company and shit. Nah, man, this is like, yo. Oh, no, I've never looked at this shit like that. I just, that's my man right there and shit. What the fuck you talking about? Fake roommates. Yeah, yo, you stupid, yo. You a woman, you a woman. Wild, wild out and shit. I'll tell you, I did my research, man.

I really did my research. He said three's company and shit. I definitely didn't think of three companies at all. At all. But all right, cool. All right, cool. Moving on. I felt like you answered that.

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I don't remember what part of the jail I was at. What year did this come out, Hass? Was it 93? 93, 92, 93. I'm in jail. I feel like we got 12 niggas from Queens. 98,000 from Brooklyn. Check your neck comes out.

4,800 niggas is from Shaolin. Overnights. Overnights? These dudes claiming they're outside, they're in the yard. They showing their razors. Niggas is like, who is this nigga? Nigga from Staten Island.

Where was this nigga at yesterday? Niggas is outside. I'm talking about Staten Island must have in that time the Protect Your Neck came out. You could ask any nigga that was in the jail system at that time.

Any nigga from Staten Island was put in work. That record changed the trajectory of hip-hop, but it had to change the trajectory of Staten Island. That's right. Absolutely. Like, I'm outside looking, and I don't know you yet. I don't know you yet.

I'm a fan of y'all niggas, but I'm sitting back, and I've never seen quite this happen. I've never seen people not go from not even talking about the town to the next day so being so proud of the town

because they had people to identify with them. Did y'all know that I was doing that? Yeah. I love that Yeah I love that Because why? Because why?

Because You know why? Because it's like It's a lot of dangerous niggas from Staten Island, right? Right Because Staten Island was a place where everybody felt like It's a lot going on out there In a great way but you had a lot of dangerous niggas

that lived in communities that was getting busy so when they went to jail it's like niggas knew who they was based off the fact that when they seen a nigga that they felt was from where they from it's like like, yo, we got to stand up. And now to know that, yo, out of two of those niggas, one of those niggas, one out of two been in those live towns in Staten Island. One out of two. They're going to tell you exactly where it's at. Right. Because it's probably going to be maybe three places that in Staten Island you're going to be like, yo, I know somebody. But the bottom line is when we came through,

it was like seeing the rise of, the rise of what you want to call it, the rise of the machines. Like, yo, it was time. Like I said, Staten Island always felt like, like the five bros was trying to front on us. Like, we won't kill you. Like, we won't get you you You know what I'm saying

Like Brothers ain't recognize Our slang None of that shit That's all Staten Island shit Like all that shit Wait now what the fuck

Was going on Because it's different We came with like The robes and Clocks and all That's all Staten Island right there, like, the robes and clocks and all. That's all Staten Island right there. You came with the robes and clocks. Yeah, Eagles, all that shit.

We dipping them. Was you trying to be like, what's the guy? The blonde guy from the mafia? Oh, no, Gigante. Vinny the Chen? Yeah. Yeah, no, there's a Chen. Yeah, Chen.

Nah, man. The one that was acting like he was insane? That was a vision. That was a vision. Like, I told you, that was acting like he was insane? That was a vision. That was a vision. Like, I told you, them brothers up where he was at was doing it. Big jewelry on, like, birds on chains hanging down their dick. The law. Fila sweats with filas, like, doing it.

You know what I mean? Right. And I always see myself like that. With a robe on and birds on my arms. Like, yo, let me get the truckers. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's where it came from.

But it all stemmed up from where he was, where he at. And shit like that. And, yo, Staten Island, like you said, like, yo, niggas was in Brooklyn house doing it. You know what I mean? No. You know? I've seen it myself. It's like that, whatever.

But like you said, when we said, what we said? Now you hear woo out of the blue. Once you heard woo out of the blue. Oh, no, I lived that. Come on, man. I lived, I seen it. Niggas want to be from Staten Island when that shit came out. But, um... It's a lot of dangerous for you niggas.

There was real niggas from Shiloh that was claiming Shiloh. It was saying Staten Island. When Protect Your Neck came out, they were from Shiloh. Niggas said, yo, wait, you got to do it. Because it was that final get-on

for your barrels. So it's like... And we was last. We was last. So they say, we was last to was last yeah y'all so really for us was last should be what first all right then but it's like for us we wasn't even worried about the paper not worried about the reputation the representation you know the representation like y'all gonna get it one way or another because you know we've been in spots and it's like yo all you

keep hearing is brooklyn bronx queens yeah we ran with the niggas that was mad about that like yo, let's go stick to the DJ Right, let's go did you know what I mean? Yo, just dig them just you know surround them in a clever way and just can't you know? Yeah, it's like magic got fucked up Seriously, yeah, he magic got fucked up seriously He's got fucked up the tunnel got robbed You taking a bike coat in the tongue like don't put your coat in the fucking back over it It's gone. You know, I mean even out with it

That's why I stopped going to clubs after well Because it was letting me in you know me. I you know I'm outside with a lot of people and shit I'm over there like yo so this nigga you know I mean could talk to you but man if I go talk to him y'all he come out he's over there he's tripping and shit he was like he work in the tunnel window when he was he I don't even know if you work in the tunnel okay but he was working in the tunnel though? Yeah That's how he used to work in the tunnel Yeah Wow God bless him That's where they That's where they found him Yo listen

It was dangerous in the tunnel Yeah no The tunnel was like Rikers Island yo Yeah You know what I mean? So uh That's why I said before

When you said 90s It was different Yeah You know what I mean? I heard a couple of my niggas Chop some of them niggas in there Oh yeah Definitely

In the tunnel Yeah A couple of them bouncers The bouncers Yeah They'd hit the bouncers up Yeah You know what I mean? It was like a rite of passage Like if you madeing in the tunnel. Yeah, throwing them bounces. The bounces. They just hit the bounces up. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It was like a rite of passage. Like, if you made it to the tunnel, you got through, and you rocked the show. Yeah. You could rock anywhere. Exactly. You was in the tunnel. I went in the tunnel one time. I'm sorry, because I don't want to make it about me.

It's all about y'all. But I had to suspend the car joint song. So I walked in the bathroom, and it's a unisex bathroom. I don't know why they felt like this was fly. Right. But there's actually a bitch right here

squatting and peeing. Door open. I'm sitting there. I got the car hard. I see, I don't know, I feel like these niggas from Brooklyn.

I'm sorry for just being like prejudice. So I'm just feeling like these niggas from Brooklyn. I'm like, all right, these niggas think I'm a soft. Just being like Assuming prejudice So I'm just feeling Like these niggas I'm like alright These niggas think I'm a soft Alright cool I got the yala right there

The yala But I got the suspenders on I can't take a piss Without Going like this I'm slipping the joint When I go like this The niggas is looking at me

I'm looking at them like Yeah I got the thing on me So I go like this To go to my suspenders My two wages Drop right in the joint As I'm pissing on it I'm piss at them like, yeah, I got the thing on me. So I go like this to go to my suspenders. My two-way just dropped right in the joint as I'm pissing on it. I'm pissing on it. Because I can't stop my piss.

So I'm peeing already. And my two-way, they just look at me. The Brooklyn niggas just laugh at me. They're like, ah. And they just broke out. Never see these niggas again. I hate these niggas. I'm going to kill them.

But that's how crazy the tunnel was. Yeah. Like, you go to the bathroom by yourself, that shit is real. You got to tell the homies, you'll stay right there. And it could be four bitches in there. But the four chicks in there is telling you, telling the homies, get the lime, got the the good y'all. He got the lima beans. She was crazy.

I see Big in there. Does C leave? Does C leave? Yeah, he left. I see Big in there one night with C's. And I brought Big L.A. L.A. I wish Seeds was here to co-sign the story.

But obviously, we know Seeds and I wouldn't be saying. And I gave Big L.A. L.A. Before it came out, obviously. Before it came out. It was for Stretch Armstrong, Bad Boy mixtape. Remember Bad Boy? Yeah. He was doing mixtapes with different DJs.

And I gave it to Big. Just before the video came out? This was before anything came out. We literally recorded it. I gave it to them. Just before the video came out? This is before anything came out. We literally recorded it Thursday night and I seen Big Friday night. I seen it in the tunnel. I said, yo, here go LA. We coming back at these dudes.

Big hand me back the CD. I said, nope. We ain't going to diss these dudes. I ain't do what they accuse me of. The time I was too young to comprehend. Right. So I'm like, Big ain't that dude, bro. Big ain't that guy, man.

As I got older, I was like, damn, this nigga was wiser than all of us. Right. But then I was like And then Pop drop And she Nigga Fuck your wife And it's like Wait a minute

Why you ain't take my shit But what I Didn't realize As I got older Like I said What's big was really Kinda innocent Of everything

They kinda Addressed him So he didn't wanna Address them So I say that to say It's a very famous skit, Ghost. I don't want no niggas sounding like me.

None of that shit. It's in the past. History is history. We can't change history right so we can't change history we can't change we can change

the future we can make the future safe but the history is history right I just like how you educated

nah he climbed his way up there like that it's like you know what I mean it's like he's like really like he's like it's like he's like really like

he's like he's like he's like I didn't even know where he was going he's really like Howard Cose I didn't know

no but but the Howard Cose Queen's version though but this is this skit this skit

when this skit comes on we all kinda confused because in our minds, Wu is at the top of the totem pole.

Yeah. There's nothing that Wu could be mad at. There's nothing that and then we hear Ghost say, niggas been nice. I don't want niggas

sounding like me on no album. And everyone relates this skit to the bad boy era. What was going through your mind and how did you come up with this? Or did you actually really feel? That's what happened like because Nas did have a Child on his cover right and big got a job. I mean first of all I Love it

I mean and I wish Like before they do what they did to him, me and Ray and Cap was up in the club. I think it was the Key Club or something like that. Remember? Cap Adon? Yeah. And we fucked around.

I shook his hand, met him and all that shit. Because I was like, I was done with all that. After the skit? Yeah. Okay, continue. I wanted to get ahead and just make peace. Like, yo, come on, yo. You know what? Yo, let's get in the booth. Let come on, yo. You know what, yo? Let's get in the booth.

Let's go do something. You know what I mean? So we see him. We give him that and everything, whatever the case may be. And that was it. And I wind up, I hear that they murdered him probably the next day. God bless you. Nobody knew that neither. Nobody knew that that story yeah yeah that y'all

actually met up yeah we've seen big the night before he got murdered i shook his hand in la or new york la i never i never shook i never got a chance to I mean we've been on planes together and and you know At that time it was like, you know, damn like nothing being said Because of my mouth won't what the fuck I said no I imagine you're both in first class So y'all in first class being awkward and excited with each other? Nah back then it wasn't it was just a the whole fuck wherever you like jet blue type of shit yeah like that everybody was was on play onyx every fucking body right i guess you might have come from jack the rapper and all this other shit rappers was all on the fucking plane

but i said jack the rapper that's yeah that's real shit right there so you yuckers better google get your google so it was like we never really said nothing and shit like that. And, you know, we could be the last two brothers out there, me, him, and his man, and me and my man. And it's like we waiting for our cars to come and nothing for me to say. Wow. But that night, that night when we met him and shit, like, you know, dad and mother came in there, shook his hand, r raped, shook his hand, capped, shook his hand. And on my mind,

but even before I seen him, I wanted to, like, talk to him, to squash that shit. But as, you know, doing that shit, he bounced, broke out, whatever the case may be.

He said peace, said what up. Like, that was it. There was no conversation with him, like, of what's up. And that was it, like. Then I hear about that. But what I'm trying to say

is that, yo, that shit, that shit, I'm trying to say is that that shit I was fucked up over. That shit hurt me. I love pop too. But big shit it just hit home. More. For some reason. Like it hit home and shit.

And knowing all that shit like that I never got a chance to tell them yo listen part of self. I'm out there. and knowing all that shit like that, I never got a chance to tell him like, yo, listen, part of self, you know what I mean? I'm out there, you know, whatever,

because at that time, when I did all that shit, yo, I'm 25. It's like, yo, who wanted, like, I'm just doing stupid shit at 25. Let me tap into the 25-year-old ghost, which is not who you are now.

No. But what made you say that? Because back then, you know what was crazy? Is my favorite rapper is Granddaddy IU, right? Oh, okay. That's like really my favorite top rapper. Granddaddy IU? Yeah, but if you listen to my style,

you can't see Granddaddy IU in me at all. Right. And it's not because I don't respect Granddaddy IU. It's because I do respect Granddaddy IU. In our era, it was meant to be the exact opposite. I'm going to just do me. I love you and I love your style. I love what you do, but I'm not going to be the number two to you.

What made you feel like that, alright, cool, Nas album was a hit. He had a kid on it. Did you feel like Big was doing that deliberately? Putting a child on his album? Because what made you, what inspired that skit? Because how I'm looking at it

through a 25-year-old mind that don't give a fuck about whoever, you know what I mean? While we was doing the skit, it just came that way. It just came. It wasn't planned. Was it the natural competition? Yeah, because I'm like, first of all, we don't really bite off nobody's shit, this and that and the third or whatever the case may be it just came and you did say a hot 97 they had came out before y'all

bad boy so that was before this i was on uh was it i believe no that's that was a 97 when they when they when they when bad boy shit was like that. Yeah, that's right skitters are right. Let's get better skipping out on break one out That's 95. Yeah, you know, I mean so so so but Being 20 we was wild 25 so I'm standing out like everybody's Yeah, it's like don't wow. Wow still like Think it's Tell me like like don't write And you have money Think it's stupid You know what I mean RZA had to tell me Like yo Like I'm hearing you out this

You know Cause we was moving bricks And all that I heard you Yo you gotta chill Like RZA was trying to Calm y'all down You know I mixed pork with beef

You know what I mean I remember that Like yo I had to leave I had to leave that shit alone Cause it could've went Left Anytime

Locked up Or got killed So I made the decision To leave that shit and just stick with rap music. You know what I mean? But we was 25, yo. And right now, if I had the chance to tell,

I'd be like, yo, listen, bro. I'm sorry, B. Pardon me. You know what I mean? I ain't mean that shit like that or whatever. But whatever I was thinking at 25, it was street shit. It was street shit.

And I know we, and we're so fucked up. That's what I'm trying to tell you because he did the song with meth. You know what I'm saying, right?

Your next question is because, at that time. And I'm like, the fuck? But I'm like, we still on the street. You know what I mean?

Doing shit, playing with shit, niggas still getting dusted over here. Yeah, it is. It's like we outside. You know what I mean? Doing shit, playing with shit, niggas still getting dusted over here. Yeah, it is. It's like we outside. Right. You know what I mean?

So, yeah. Right. But me, I was looking at it like when you said it, it was more like we had a relationship with Queens niggas.

You know what I'm saying? Like, me and Nas, we go back a while ago and, you know, I bought him a Staten Island, had him up in the Chinese restaurants. You know what I mean?

He loved us. We loved him. You know what I mean? I remember there was a time we was in L.A. when niggas acted like they wanted to front on Nas, and we came in like superheroes. Wait, wait. You know what I mean? Yeah, tell the story, please. The crowd was doing some sucky shit. It was just, you know, this is the young this is doing some suckers she they was just

you know this is the young young the young 90s yeah yeah and then what's happening so well you know it's just it's just that they was they was being tough on you know the crowd the audience and we just you know yo that's our little brother what done is you know I'm that's our little brother He went down there and shot that shit up You know what I'm saying? Not calling him little, but And when you say we, you saying the wolf Yeah, yeah I remember that clear as day You know, but at that time

That's right It's like we love Nas since Since, um Nigga, listen Since our halftime We had the fucking tape, right? Halftime Remember that?

Remember that tape, right? Yeah, yeah We had like six songs before Illmatic even came out. I don't know how these two French chicks got it. You know what I mean? Two French chicks. Two French bitches.

Two French bitches. You know we had to get the tape. You know what I mean? But he was a genius. He was a genius. He was saying everything. But yo, you know how ill that is to know that the way we respected this nigga Gunn and know that today he would be the nigga that everybody respect. We was the niggas that. So back to what I was saying.

This is halftime, Nas. Yeah, this is. Back to the grill again. Yeah, this is. You saw that. You saw that. But like he said, we had a moment where

we heard more joints from him. Where it was like, yo. Like six joints. This nigga's a little... You know, I remember hearing One Love and was like, wow, yo. You spanked that letter.

That's a letter from a nigga from Queens. You know what I mean? Then you start... That shit took me three years to realize it was a letter. Yeah, it was like, yo. The record.

It was like, I think. That was a letter. I was like, yeah. It was the love form that we had, and then when we met each other, it was genuine, and we seemed the same in each other, and you know, yo, we would've jumped out the window for him, so I think that around that time, when Big came with the album, it's like it just snapped back in our minds like, yo, my nigga did that.

You know what I'm saying? Honestly. So really, it was like we was just rooting for our nigga. You know how it go. We rooting for him. You did something different. You know what I mean? He did that. It just was a moment.

I remember when you said it because like you said, it wasn't premeditated. It it just was a moment. And I remember when you said it, because like you said, it wasn't premeditated. It wasn't premeditated. It was just, you know, he was in there skitting it up. I was just wowing. Skitting it up. But when he said it, it was like, everybody looked in the room like...

Nobody said, chill, Ghost. Nah, nobody was listening because... No one told you to chill a moment. It's true neither. And see, that's the reason. Ghost wild out. Ghost wild out. Nah, everybody was listening because... They wasn't telling you to chill at all, man. Apparently, when Ghost Wild Out... That's the fucked up thing because nobody said, nah, that ain't going on, man. But we knew that we were still connected with them niggas. Yeah.

We was connected, like you said. But are you saying you wish somebody was there to say that? To say chill? Somebody should have said. I do. I do. I do. I like, yo.

Young niggas, slow me down. I don't chill. Would you have listened? I don't know. That was your voice. But I wish somebody had done it because it might have persuaded me. You know what it is. Maybe you're right.

I'm going to listen to him for a minute. You know what I mean? What happened? What happened? You know what I'm saying? He's saying if they wish that somebody was there to persuade them not to talk, not to say this. You know, because I might have listened.

And I'm asking, what do you listen to? You know what I mean? What he said was facts. But like I said, at the end of the day, all we trying to target, niggas, that we fuck with. Yeah, because at the end of the day, I didn't, you know, I didn't get a chance to look at it like, yo, this nigga fuck with you. You know what I mean? Or the day, I didn't, you know, I didn't get a chance to look at it like, yo, this nigga fuck with you.

You know what I mean? Or whatever. You know what I mean? See what I'm saying? So it's like, it's almost like, hey, go this nigga start in trouble again. It's back stuff,

but nigga come out with the projects behind this shit the same way how you did it. Yep. And at that time when hip hop was so real to us, it was a protection thing. Yeah, but dude,

I looked at it. You couldn't bite the shit. It was an old bite. He might it was a protection yeah but you know what yeah that's how we took it right but he could have been like yo you know what i've been at that or something yeah or i respect nas like that shit too like you know me he might have loved nas shit you know what i mean and did that but we don't exactly but we don't know you know what i mean but i'm just going off of the fucking like yo i'm outside we're moving bricks we don't Exactly But we don't know You know what I mean But I'm just going off Of the fucking like Yo I'm outside

We moving bricks We doing this And we'll give a fuck Who wanted it You're in the moment You're in that moment And it was 95 One of the best years

Of my life Right With this nigga You know what I mean And I got my You know what I mean My brothers are sitting around And it was like

Hoo hoo hoo You know what I mean And I got my You know what I mean My brothers are sitting around And it was like Hoo hoo hoo You know what I mean So it's You was gonna talk your shit I know exactly what he's talking about Hoo hoo hoo You know what I mean Yeah

So it's like It was the same way Hoo hoo hoo It was the same way Yeah I know exactly what he's talking about So it's like Yo come on man

Niggas it's the same way It fucked me up When they did that Cause we was still outside. We was still out there in L.A. And you had just squashed it. Listen, we just, I didn't know we squashed it. I touched his knee. Nah.

That's squashed. It was squashed that night. Trust me. And it felt like that. It felt like that. It's like seeing a nigga that you know that you had something with and you like, yo, nah, I really fucked up. Let me go be the man.

And that's how I felt. We walking over go be the man And that's how I felt We walking over That's how I felt Like yo That's how I felt You know what I mean He looked at us He looked at us like

Nigga have a drink Nigga come on man Like it was that natural For me I can tell he loved it I can tell Yo man That's what

That's what at the end of the day Fucked it all Fucked it all the way up Because it was like We knew he loved us. He loved our nigga Mef. Mef never knew that we had an altercation. Yeah, Mef wasn't even involved in that shit. He was like in his feelings like, yo.

Yeah, because you could've fucked around the fuck there. I bought his album. Nah, not even that smart nigga though. Oh. Yo, that smart nigga. That's the crazy thing about the expanse of the family. Everybody having their own thing going on. Look, if you don't introduce Nori to somebody,

that don't necessarily mean Nori going to respect that nigga like that. Right, right. That's right, right. If you don't reintroduce him, that's how I look at it. It's like, yo, if I don't introduce you to a nigga, you don't mean nothing. So for us,

Mef never introduced us to Big. For us to even be like, yo, what up, Big? I never met Big. That's crazy. I never met Big. That's crazy. Right. I never met Big. I never met him until that day.

Never met him. Never met him like, yo, what up, my nigga? We never spoke. Never. Like, yo, what's up, son? Yo, yo, yo, we never did that. Never did that. So it was more easier for us to chug in him because we didn't have no common cause with him.

It's like when me and Ghost brought Nas around. You know what I mean? It took other niggas a minute to really respect Nas. But that ain't mean they ain't respect his gun. It was just that, that shit man. You know what I mean? You know when I brought Pun around.

You know what I mean? That shit man. You was the first person to co-sign Pun. Yo. Other than Terror Squad. Come on. I seen it in him. Like, but you know what we saying is like, yo, I think the love was just so strong for Nas that it just hit him at that

moment. And it was like, damn, do you take it off? You know what I mean? We could have easily said, yo, no, nah, don't go there. Boom, boom, boom. But it made sense because that was like he said. We was in our raw 25s and we were saying fuck we want to say Nobody was there to stop. We's way to say, you know what I mean? It was being said big ever responded to you Interviews and shit

97 Not music, you know big wasn't musically saying nothing, but you could tell it was bothering him a little bit. Yeah, yeah. It was bothering him to a degree. I remember one time... Big was on the songs like, Cash Rule, you know what I mean? Saluting it, saluting it. You know he was singing shit like that.

And the movie, it felt like a dick. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that. And I'm over here feeling like a dick. Wow. You know what I mean? After it's like, it's sinking in, like, yo, like, damn, like, what the fuck did go in my mouth again?

Right. You know what I mean? Like, the Hot 97 shit, it go in my fucking mouth again. I killed this for 10 years. You know what I mean? But, like you said, it is what it is now.

Yeah. And we here, like I said, I want to it is now. And we here. Like I said, his death hurt me more than Pox. Like, I felt it because I felt like niggas took something that was from home. And I'm over there on the coast of the same city. We didn't leave. I seen niggas skate the fuck out on planes. Getting the fuck out.

You still out here? You know what I mean? In L.A. Right. We here, like. You know what I mean? On planes getting the whole body you still out here Right You know me just get a fish not work finishing the hum the second CD who takes it Out there we did the whole shit out there so it's like Yeah, baby You look let me ask you cuz

It's always been, Meth was the guy who did a record with Big. Right. Then at the moment of Pac is dissing the whole East Coast, there's a record that comes out with Meth. What record was that? Dog Pound, Red Man, and Pop. Okay. You know what record you talking about.

I've heard Meth and Man explain this, but I would like to hear it from y'all. I never heard that. You never heard this? Nah, I don't think so. You know it. I heard a that. You never heard this? I don't think so. I heard a bit, but I never really, I might have heard the song like once or twice. Yeah, because this is from Smackdown

in the Middle East, Coast West, Coast Beef. And I think Pac did it on purpose. Yeah, and those records are probably old records. Actually, I heard the records was for Duck Down. I actually heard the records that Bethan read, actually recorded. And then Pac recorded afterwards? And then Pac heard this, and then Pac was like, give me this you know I could see that cuz he was fucking with just jump

doing it but the thing is we don't have Twitter back then we don't have anything from me we don't have confirm we can't deny this was there any discrepancy like yo Matt are you bugging I never heard you know what it was? It was a restaurant. It's that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like we always felt neutral in situations because to me it wasn't really like no East or West Coast beef. It was just a facade of that. You know what I mean? Certain niggas wasn't just pressing niggas like that. You know, we know what it is to get pressed.

You know what I mean? Because we, you know what I mean? We press niggas like that. You know, we know what it is to get pressed. You know what I mean? Because we, you know what I mean? We press niggas too. So, it never was that way that we really felt like it was really that what it is.

You know, we's walking through whatever niggas paying homage on both sides. It's like, you might know Crips and Bloods

and they might be like, yo, I fuck with both. So, that's how we was taking whatever was going on. We just knew that it was an altercation on both sides.

Right. You know what I mean? When Pac passed away, you know, we felt it too. We felt it. You know what I mean? He was a stand-up nigga. He was outspoken.

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, we lost a warrior. He was a warrior. Right. So, you know, like Ghost said, it's like, yo, back then it was a different time, man. You know what I mean? And a lot of times it's like you may meet a nigga and be like, I love the nigga, but his niggas might not love you.

And now you in a situation with him and his niggas because his niggas is convincing him to go this way or go the way they going you know what i mean but at the end of the day it's like yo man them niggas was real niggas man like they really paid you know everybody talk about it to this day like yo who's ill or big or pop it's like pop was more revolutionary pop you know i'm saying big is more you know what i mean he's just when you see big you see new york city like bright lights boom new york you know but is it bad that when i see pop i see new york city too sometimes? I mean, I know you can- Did you ever see his record? Ain't nothing about the old school. Nah.

Can somebody pull this record up? Can somebody pull this record up? Look, just for a second, please. Who got the fucking playlist? Who was on the playlist? I just want you to hear this record. I'm outside walking one day. So I'm listening to this record.

It goes, ain't nothing like the old school. And this is Pac describing all New York City shit. Then the very next record, you know what comes on? What? California love.

No, that's not it. Sorry. Yeah. Another book of old school? Another book of old school. Yeah, please. Yeah, Tupac. Please, just take it to the verses.

I just want Ray to hear this shit. I want you to hear, you're a real New York City officiant. Nah, I don't. I want you to understand. Please, Ghost, please. Come on. Who got it? Who got it?

I'm going. All right, Blair, you ready? Mm-hmm. All right Straight chance, baby I can't go to which you finish that shit. Please. Hold on. Yo, please. Listen to this.

This is Tupac. Okay. Oh, you always bring this record up. This shit fuck me up. There's nobody listening to me. Man, we've been having a lot of conversations. I'm going to use the bathroom like the other day. Listen.

You cannot make this record if you're not really from New York. Listen to this record. Listen not really from New York. This is the record. Listen, anybody from New York got to- What's the argument you're making right now? I'm going to make it after this finish. Because we just had Digital Money B, you know, with us and he was talking about New York nigga. There's no way. Niggas don't know about Skelly.

Skelly's right. Look what he's saying. Look, I'm going to do that again. Mr. Magic Flash. Mr. Magic Flash? You never heard this record? No. No? No. Really?

No. Wow. Wow. This early pop? Yeah. This had to be one of his probably first fucking... In his mind, not his mind, but he was from everywhere. Like, he was. Like, he was in Baltimore. He was in New York. Like Baltimore he was in New York like he was born I think in New

York New Jersey right yeah what New York right right New York New York New York yeah and then he made his chops in Oakland no we have money be talking about that right and I think he felt he felt genuinely a part of all these places. And that's what he's trying to always like. He said BBDs. Right. BBDs. Yeah, yeah, hold up.

Nothing new. No, BBDs. He knew what he was talking about. Nigga, you ain't had no BBDs, y'all. Let's do some of y'all's, y'all. You knew that. I'm a big square. Nigga said I was square. I'm a way he's going to pin it. Go ahead you're pinning those things against each other. I never heard that shit.

I don't think that the way he's going to pin it... Go ahead, go ahead. Do your thing. Put on California Love, sir. I mean, everybody knows California Love, but all right, go ahead.

Everybody knows old school, too. No, no. They never heard it in their life. That's their fault. Them. All eyes on me. That shit is on my big mouth.

That's not... That's definitely not California Love. That shit is on my big mouth. That's not it. That's definitely not covering love. That's a love for something else. Can y'all get your life together? Y'all embarrassing me in front of y'all. Alright, please. Get your life together, please, sir. And go to Poxverse. Fuck Dre's verse.

Jesus, brother. Relax. No, not like that. Dre's verse is the first. Can you go straight to the bottom? Like I said, we're Chucks and not ballers. Chucks, not ballers. Right, right, right. But that's how he found you because he's from here.

That's what's on set. He adapted like this, though. But he was, and he was raised in Oakland, too, man. He adapted. You can't take away that. He adapted. And he was raised in Oakland too man. He adapted. You can't take away he adapted and he was

from everywhere in his mind. He adapted. He could adapt to every spot he was at. He could probably go to Baltimore

and tell all the he knew Baltimore. I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you. You are. You do disagree with me on that.

I'm just saying this nigga's a dangerous guy. Right. In what way? In the way that he is. He made me believe both verses. He was truth to all the shit he was saying.

That was his truth. You turn it up. Turn it up? Up. And I felt that Pac was one of those dudes that he felt loyal to whoever he felt that moment was most loyal to him. That's right. So he would ride all the way. He would go all the way.

That's called adapting. That is. But see, you know what you can't never take out of him? He's an East Coast nigga. You can't take that out of him. Wait, wait, wait. Can I say one thing? I think that that's one takeaway that we should honestly say. Everything you've been saying, maybe you're not accepting the fact that maybe he was most hurt because he's an East Coast dude and he felt the East Coast hurt him.

But he was wrong. Maybe not. How can you say that for him? I can't say that for him. No, I don't think you can. I think personally that the not fucking with New York came because of what happened to him. Right. Do you really feel he was not fucking with New York?

This is the argument we have. Yes. I felt like it was accrued. He wasn't fucking with New York because of what happened to him. Yep. Period.

You know what I mean? You felt it was completely to New York. Yeah. Yeah. He was fucking with New York. He was fucking with Boot Camp Click.

God bless. Listen, at the end of the day, it's because something happened to him. Right. I think he was just loyal. What you mean? Because he said shit he said like yo when he say I'm wearing tux not balance over here like that I'm just I feel like you know he just remind me of a nigga that could be real loyal like you said if you heard him

you know what I mean with his loyalty loyalty. Right. Okay, then he wound up over here. That's not a good thing. Right. You know what I mean? So I'm just thinking like, someone's just, you know, a little nigga with a big heart. Think about what you guys have been saying this.

You guys have been saying this the whole time. No, wait, wait. Y'all been saying this the whole time. We was 25, we was 23. Right. And we stopped thinking about how been saying this the whole time. We was 25, we was 23. Right. And we stopped thinking about how young Pac was this whole time. Right. We stopped thinking that.

We thinking an old man age now. We the age we are at Dream Champs right now. And we putting him in our mind frame. But 25, when did he get shot? 96? He dead, dog. 25, right? But let's be clear. It's like, it's like, it's like, all right, let's do a short, short.

That's a long term, right? Let's do a short term. Right. Prodigy never really was from Queensbridge at all. God bless. That's why I love Prodigy. Right. Love him to death.

But he adapted that, right? So many people. He adapted being from Queensbridge, you're saying? He adapted saying he's from Queensbridge. He adapted that. Right? So many people. He adapted being from Queensbridge, you're saying? He adapted saying he's from Queensbridge. He adapted that, right? Adapted to it. It's actually, that hood has to actually co-sign that. That hood has to be like, all right, that's like you from Stapleton.

I got you. You hanging out with Ray. Right. That doesn't make you from Park Hill. Right. I don't give a fuck how many times you came and ate Cheerios. Right. And Lucky Charms. Right. That doesn't make you from Park Hill. Right. I don't give a fuck how many times you came and ate Cheerios. Right. And Lucky Charms.

Right. You still in Stapleton. I don't give a fuck how many times I hang out in Queensbridge. I just wash my clothes in Pone Crib. Because Pone was the only nigga I knew in the projects who had a washer and dryer. I never knew niggas had a washer and dryer. I was like, what? Right. I'm like, what? This nigga got a washer and dryer. I never, I never knew niggas had a washer and dryer. I was like, what? Right, right.

I'm on a washer and dryer? Right. Thursdays and Sundays, I'm over here. Right, right, right. I'm not coming with no coins or nothing. Right, right.

Because you know that's how you had the washer and dryer? Yeah. I was 50, right? I sound like the candy man. I sound like the tin man from Wizard of Oz. Right, right. I changed and shit. When from Wizard of Oz. Right, right, right.

I knew I was going to wash her and then dry her. Right. I went too far. I don't even know what my point was. She fucked me up just now. But what I'm saying is it never made me from Queensbridge. Right. I can go out there two, three times a week.

Yeah. I can take care of beef where Pone is not there, where his own moms would hit me and I would, whatever. Right.

Still never made me from Queensbridge. Right. And even things from Queensbridge who loved me and I woke up and I broke night

with them niggas and I, and what's that shit? The graveyard shift and I sold crack with them niggas and I what's that shit the graveyard shift and I sold crack with them niggas but at the end of the day I was still a left rack dude right right got you right I got

a certain amount of shit but as soon as my back turned I was like you know that's left rack nigga I had to accept that Pac is the only dude in the universe that did that with a coast. He locked down New York. We loved him in New York.

We still love him in New York. I'm one of the dudes that's still claiming him. My whole point is saying, nigga, you from New York. That's my whole point of this argument. But not even just the coast. Remember, when Money B was here, it's even California

because California in themselves, they're two different regions. So when he moved to Cali, this is Oakland, this is Underground. Guys on here, this is Underground

saying, oh, we was mad at him too. Let me tell you something. The way Pac was rhyming on that record right there, it gave me a extra, a extra, which one? California love or one before that it gave me an extra most like form because they said they never heard never heard it and I'm both of them nobody saying so that's

crazy Kelly from me it's you know saying when a nigga start talking like that yep that me he know what it is but like. Yep. But like I said, you can take a New York nigga anywhere. Yep. Anywhere. And if a nigga feel you loyal to him, like you said earlier, how loyalty and respect is. You know what I mean? The nigga still came and got him out of jail. Yep.

He did something that niggas, at the end of the day, a nigga had him jammed. And they say, yo, I got you. He loyal. He went loyal after that straight loyal Over the head right so to me pop always just represented You know a real niggas tail in his own way. He got hurt. You know I'm saying nigga shot him in the face You know whatever happened happened and he never got to the end of it It's like if you coming in a situation With respect and then you get hurt Yo that shit can turn us into enemies

Absolutely It's like if something happened to me leaving drink champs nigga And y'all ain't got nothing to do with it But I'ma be like Y'all got something to do with it Coming from drink champs nigga You can't expect a nigga to Forever be faithful to that.

You know what I mean? And you know, like I said, I know Pac love Big. I know Big love Pac. We all saw it. We saw it on stage. We've seen it. But them two brothers, for real, it's like, those are martyrs to us in the game. Absolutely.

Almost like Jesus and Moses. Excuse me, Jesus and Muhammad. Like how Muhammad is so... In their way, yeah. Essential to Islamic religion and how Jesus... That's how... But that leads me to Yah Jesus. Yah Osiris.

From the moment I met Wu-Tang, from the moment I seen... Forget me meeting Wu-Tang, from the moment I seen, forget me meeting Wu-Tang, excuse me, let me remain a fan that I am. From the moment I seen Wu-Tang, I knew it was special. I didn't know how it was special.

I didn't know what the fuck, why it was special, but I knew this is, we never gonna see this again. I also knew every individual Why you were special? But I knew this is, we never gonna see this again. Jim's. I also knew every individual was his own marksman.

But there was one guy who kind of stood out. At times, he stood out for the wrong reason. But at times, most of the time, he stood out for the right reason. When he interrupted that award show, he said, Wu-Tang is for the kids stood out for the right reason When he interrupted That award show

He said Wu-Tang Is for the kids That's the right reason to be You know who he is Even though everybody Else might have been like What the You know who he is

You know who he is Man I'm like I'm gonna take a sip Of this real quick I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in Our brother Our brother Old this real quick for you. I'm in. It's a real nigga right here, man. I'm in.

I'm in. Our brother, our brother, old dirty bastard. Old dirty bastard. I don't give a fuck. I tell niggas to today, and this is a fact because I know this for a reason. He was the vessel for the motivation. You know what I mean? He was the make RZA see right what it is. You know what I mean? He was to make RZA see right what it is.

You know what I mean? Because see, RZA, one thing about RZA, RZA's a shy dude. So he needed a cheerleader that was giving him shit that he needed to realize he had. Dirty.

Dirty was the one. When we was at our lowest moment and not believing in this shit dirty would come in the room and it take him 2.3 seconds to get back up to be like we the best nigga not heard you say I heard you say the best he was down I don't know yeah dirty would come up to you like we're the illest niggas in the world. Yeah, that's right. You know what I'm saying? Wu-Tang Rock is amazing. Way early, my nigga. Yeah. I mean, like, he knew it.

He knew it. Yo, you right. You right. And RZA was the type of dude to be flattered by the accolades. Right. You know what I mean? But when Dirt was saying that, yo, this group is going to be this group, he seen a vision already he knew

that that was needed that was needed and yo he trusts your production wizard so we trusted dirty trust in him we all trusted each other that's why I said it's like a mob man like he's coming with reasons like like he's a shooter I'm a shooter we don't know each other like that Right But we coming together because We respect you being the gun though Rich is the gun

He gonna make this shit ring We just was the question I never met a nigga like Dirk Ever in my life Dirk was real No we neither Yo he was I mean I'm y'all cousin

I'm like y'all third cousin Yo he was everything, yo. Yeah. He gave me my soul. He made me not really, like, give a fuck about nothing. Like, I met him with RZA. I'm meeting the hero. Pastrami and cheese shit.

Hot and all that shit. This is the first day you meet him? First day I meet him. The nigga said to me, yo, God, you get a piece of that. Yo. What, stronger or the same? We had never even met. Never met like, nah.

Me like, yo, like, yo. And this real cousin, like, you know what I mean? So I'm like, all right, yo, here. Boom, I gained half of this shit. And nigga ate it before I was eating the piece the niggas said yo, um Or do my babies God? That's the best sandwich Yo, listen. Yo, gastropath. That nigga said, word to my baby,

because everything was word to his babies with him. Everything he was recording, word to my babies, yo. What? Word to my babies, that's the best shit. Yo, yo, that was his shit all the time, word to his babies. That's after I gave him that shit, and I started listening to the niggas like all the time and shit. But, you know, my mother used to drink.

You know what I mean? Her friends and shit like that. And I'd bring Dirty to the crib. And they all in there singing fly slow jams. Roberta Flack and all that shit. He knew all of it. He knew all of it. All of them.

I hope that we can be, yo, he over there with my mother and I'm like, this is the kitchen. Like, yo, go with it. He be like, how you doing shit? They say he never listened to rap. They say all he listened to was soul. Man, listen, Moments was his favorite group. The Moments. The Moments.

And he like fly shit. Like, he go in there, he was just nice with it. But it was like, this man has so many ways to him. Like, yo, like, even when he got girls to this and that and third. I remember one time, niggas said, yo, we did a show in Philly. And we about to go to our room, the lobby flooded. Philly girls is the easiest girls in the world. We already established that.

That's a lot, buddy. Wallo and Gilly, they agree with me. They agree with you, right? Yeah, they said Philly girls is very easy. You might be right. Let me say something. The nigga came with like 50 girls. By himself.

Dirk McGurk. McGurk. By himself. The nigga said in the lobby, yo, Ray, we in the lobby lobby I don't know if he was downstairs We in the lobby He like yo He came with all the girls

They was right behind him They all back here I'm looking at this nigga He like yo He like yo You straight? You straight? Yo you straight?

Wherever you're straight He be like this This was him right? You go with him You go with him You go with him. You go with him. You go with him. Like, he just quarterbacked that whole shit. I'm like, oh, shit.

But I never seen it. The way he did it was so, he was unique. And that was his name. It was a uniqueness. Ain't so unique. It was a uniqueness about him that was like, you'll never, ever, ever, ever see this shit. I got to say, like, yo, man, this nigga, he didn't give a fuck. Like, he didn't give a fuck.

Like, nigga wears socks a few days in a row. The nigga drop his sandwich on the floor, pick it up, blow it off, God made dirt, dirt don't hurt. You know what I mean? He was that type of real nigga like that. Like, you know what I mean? don't hurt he was that type of real nigga like that like you don't mean like yo I could be with the nigga nigga could be up his nose plugging his boogers and just going like this with the shit like this one time I don't give him a five he was like this like what's talking to you just like this.

Plucking shit over shit. Like, yo, you know what I mean? Like, yo. He's a picker. He's a picker. Yo. It's like, yo, stop doing that shit, man. Yo, nigga said one day, right, in the mall.

He said, yo. He's like bagging chicks. The nigga said, yo, yo, blah, blah, blah. Told him his name. The chick didn't know who he was. He said, yo, nah, you don't know me? It's Moe Derry, yo. But nah, you really don't know me?

The nigga just busted like, me and Mariah. Yo, got the bitch. I'm like, yo. They know that record. This nigga yo I'm like How the fuck could you just Go out and say some shit like that You know what I mean

Like But that was dirt He keep it a buck Like you know what I mean Like I even seen When we used to be on stage And Meth used to be doing his shit And the crowd going

Bonkers for Meth In dirt And I know him Cause you know Before we started this shit It was crowd going bonkers for meth and dirt and i know my i know him because you know before we started this shit it was like we was getting busy in other places this shit you know but anyway he like yo he's just watching him and i'm looking at this nigga looking at meth and then when dirt go on stage he won't go up there and say nothing no dirt won't say nothing okay he just put that one in the air like that

and the crowd would just go crazy. Like, it's almost like he was almost challenged. That's how I took it. Like, he was battling

because Dirk wanted to be first. He wanted to be the best. Right. But Meth was already fired. Right. So now it's these two.

And I don't even think that Meth knew because Meth was going on stage and then Dirk would come on next. but for me and him having a relationship,

I'm like, yo, my brother crazy, B. Yeah, B, but he was, like how Ray said, he was special. He had a good heart, man.

Yeah, good heart. Now, every time I met Dirk, it was always been great. I met him in the, actually, Neptune studio. Like,

he was in there with Neptune. But let me, I'm slightly serious but you know just to hear you brother's reaction. There was one shooting that happened in Bastard. Right?

Was that a warning? Like because because y'all top of the world and Dirt is still hanging out in Bestop. Right. He's still hanging around and there was a shooting that happened. Is that something that alarmed all y'all? Did y'all all say, you know what?

Maybe it's time to get security. Maybe it's time to hang out in Park Hill, hang out in Stapleton. Maybe it's time to, you know, hang out in Park Hill, hang out in Stapleton, maybe it's time to hang out in Chelsea Piers. That never came across y'all? Nah, see, you know what it is?

You got to answer it at the same time, nah. Okay. Only because it's like, you got to remember, like I told you, we was assembled. We was assembled, you know what I mean? But that was the first time something happened to, like, you got to remember, like I told you, he was assembled. He was assembled. You know what I mean? But that was the first time something happened to like a Wu member, right?

Yeah. It's like, you know, but it's like having a brother that you know at the end of the day you can't try to make him what you want him to be. He going to be who he is. Right. And you got to accept everything that come with him. Right. You know, we love him. You know what I mean?

You know, it got to the point where it was like, you know, even if Dirt, we knew he was fucking something up. We loved him so much that he could get away with it. Right. He can get away with it. Yeah, it's like, yo, that's him. You know what I mean?

Like he said, because we knew his heart. See, we don't judge a man by his character. We judge him by his heart. Right. You know, and he had a big heart and he just, you know, I just felt like we should have been there a little bit more to kind of like show some kind of support in times where he needed it. Because you know when he went away, when he went away, it's like, yo, we on the road,

yo, your share is still in. But hear me, this share is still in. You still, but hear me, this is important right here. Your shares is there. We making sure that everything we doing, yo. And he gets one of these. Mafia. The cut is there. That's hard.

But nobody never went to go see him. But we went to go see him one time. As a unit? He was at HDM or something. As a unit? Yeah, as a unit. You know what I mean? I know we went to the see him one time as a unit he was at hdm or something as a unit or yeah as a unit you know what i mean i know we went to the jails you remember we went to the jails and we performed and we jumped they told us they told us don't jump in the crowd because they thinking some other shit and we like yeah cool cool and then we jumped in the crowd yeah you know what i mean but

and i remember that day because dirty was eating and shit. He had a cheeseburger to say. Laughing. Independent? Independent. You know what I mean? But, you know, not being there for him through his situation and we would hear stories like, yo,

they got my brother in the hospital. They got him in a G building. You know what I mean? They giving him this and they giving him that. And then you see him when he come home

and it's like, we grab him you know what I'm saying which we was supposed to right you know but at that time he already had made

his decisions on where he wanted to be and he could and he had the right to feel like that due to whatever you know how it is well we talk about

Rockefeller right because when he came home he went to Rockefeller but the thing about it was looking at his story, because I went and I did research on his story, his story was

I seen Ghost leave, I seen Ray leave, I seen U-Guard leave, I seen Master Killer leave, I seen Method Man leave. So when he came home, he was planning his escape And this is according to But is leave the right description?

I don't think leave is the right description I think being your own man I think only y'all Built into what y'all were doing Like to go and do your own deals And there's discrepancies on that Because some people say I believe it's you

That say We left on our own And then I believe it's you, that say, we left on our own and then, I think it's you that say, nah, I had to fight for that shit. I did have to fight. And you know, because I was the executive of this shit. You know what I mean? And I'm there with Razor Sharp over there at the joint. And, you know, things.

But when you say executive, what do you mean? Executive on all the albums and all that. Of Wu-Tang? Yeah, exactly. You're one of the executives as well. Exactly. Because I'm like a founder. Right.

You know what I mean? I'm the one that really gave RZA to Wu-Tang the CD and all that. On how he. I'm going to make a group out of this right here, Wu-Tang vs. Shaolin. Wow. You know what I mean? The Wu-Tang name came from that thing. You talking about the Wu-Tang movie? Actual. Oh, the actual movie. Yes. RZA could argue me down, but I know what it is.

And niggas from town know what it is. You know what I mean? We can look at your ass. We can look at your ass and tell you're serious about this. Exactly. You know what I mean? Because I know in the documentary, I think he said, you know,

whatever, whatever, he was shooting it. But anyway, it's like, yeah, you know, I mean, you go through shit. You know what I mean? But Dirk was an important piece. You know what I mean?

Of the, you know, of the clan, like Ray said earlier. He was the clan, like Ray said earlier. Um, he was, he was the, the, the soul. You know what I mean? He was a strong, what you call it, the heart of it or whatever. You know what I mean? He's like a Draymond Green on, on, on, on the warrior.

You know what I mean? Like, yo, he's one of those, like, yo, and give it, gonna give it to you raw. You know what I mean So So Yo that was That's you know But like he said At the same time We was young You know what I mean

I didn't know like I'm out there We still running the streets And taking care But we gotta take care Because we still Signing and shit Yo Ray we didn't know like

Whether to be like Yo come here man Yo What's wrong with you man And this and that And the dirt Cause like he said He got a good heart signing and shit. Yo, Ray, we didn't know, like, willing to be like, yo, come here, man. Yo, what's wrong with you, man? And this and that and the dirt. Like, he said he got a good heart and we'll fuck with him and he'll laugh with you

and do all this other shit. So it wasn't really like, we didn't really know how, we don't know how serious it is until he get tooken away. Right. You know what I mean? But let me ask you,

so when he went to Rockefeller, Right. did that hit you in the wrong way? Did it hit me in the wrong way? Because y'all all left, but y'all all went. It was a shot. Y'all didn't go to other competition. You went to Epic, I believe, right?

Yeah. No, I was on Epic with Razor Sharp. You feel that's competition? You know what I mean? No, what I'm trying to say is- I went to Def Jam a little bit Yeah Rockefeller and Wu-Tang Would be more competition Than it would be

Epic And Columbia Or Nah he's right Because like you got Dame over there Yeah And Dame is like the divine Yeah

You know what I mean? Like yo he slid over here And shit like that or whatever So did y'all ever feel Like when Cause when You know that's your family Right But y'all Most of y'all ever feel Like when Cause when You know That's y'all family Right

But y'all Most of y'all probably Not communicating with them Right Not in a bad way But it's just like You know When people's in jail

Like I couldn't communicate With Paul Right I just sent him money That was it Right But I couldn't communicate But cause at the time

He didn't have cell phones I didn't have cell phones But he comes home I imagine He's not sharing This information Telling y', I'm going to go fuck a rocker father. So y'all hear the information at the same time that the public hears it. Right. This is what I'm imagining. That's no, you're right for me.

Yeah, this is what I, is that true for you? Was there something that, because I remember him saying Jizzer called him Even though Jizzer was out of the group tag deal And Jizzer said What are you doing? Putting on a Rocky for the chain Or what are you doing? Was that any time

Any of y'all felt that same way? Nah, for me It's like I understood why he felt that way And I wanted to see him win the best way that He felt he needed to win. So I was neutral with it because it's business. You know what I'm saying? Nigga coming home, looking for opportunities. Niggas is showing love and respect to that. I'm going to knock

him because he wanted to make a move. You see what I'm saying? But at that time, it could have felt like, yo, everybody was doing anything because it got to the point where we all felt like, yo, you know, this shit is solid, but yo, I still own my territory. My territory is my territory.

So, you know, at the end of the day, you can't knock a nigga trying to go feed himself and feed his family. You know, and I never really crossed my path to look at it like you a traitor or whatever the case may be. Because I already felt what he was already going through. You know, that's when you start maturing. You know, if I was a little younger, if I was a little younger, I probably would have

took it like, you know, something else. But, you know, you know what I mean? You can't look at that film and look at it,

everything is being accurate. Right. You know what I'm saying? We know what we know, but at the end of the day, Dirty had to do what he had to do, but I just wish we was a little bit more closer to him. Yeah, exactly. You know what we know but at the end of the day dirty had to do what he had to do but i just wish we was a little bit more closer to him no exactly you know what i mean they would

have that little bit more time to kick it with him and shit yeah see right now we older so you know what i look at i want you to finish exactly please remember exactly what you're saying when i really looked at all the old footage, y'all. Like when you say, when y'all say he was the heart, I hear y'all, but I see y'all more than I hear y'all. When I saw, you know, like I said, y'all my family, but I didn't want to shortchange this. So I went and I just kept looking at this footage. And I'm looking at it and I'm like, wow. Like, ODB was really like, what's that shit?

The nucleus. Yeah. Yeah. The nucleus means the middle, right? Yeah. Right. So although you got Riz over here, smart as hell. You got Devon.

You got Moog. You got, you know here Smart as hell You got Devon, you got Moog You got Ray Ghost But in some crazy way It felt like O'Dirty was the nucleus It was him It was him It was the energy Yo listen and he was mad smart

Don't let when he came out of jail Fool you When they gave him all that medication and made him all slow Blue his face up and all the other shit like daddy have time like he on the way was that I was hurt Like yo like the fuck that ain't unique. You can hear it lyrically though what he was saying Was you saying when he came home, he was a different person? Of course. Okay, yeah. Of course. I've never heard this.

He was shaking and all that shit. I seem to shake. And I seen it on 106th and Park. I'm out here. I'm out here watching BET. My brother's up. And then it was like, yo, man, that shit just broke me. Nah, this ain't unique.

Nick was out there like he was a fly motherfucker He was into everything Like, yo, we done both got shot at And doing shit Like, just doing shit Like, you know what I mean? But that wasn't him He was slow

So for lack of a better term, Ghost A lot of people, they're looking at Gucci, man They're looking at the Bootsy And they're saying this is a clone version They're looking at the Bootsy. They're saying, this is a clone version. You didn't feel like that about ODB. Like, that was a clone. Nah, because I knew that that was... You knew that was still A-something. I knew that was

A because, uh, you know, I just, when you know somebody all your life, I'm not all your life, but you know, we was close. We was close. But it was just that, yo Yo That medication in there And you know Cause he started

Like Going off his rocket A little bit Before he even went in A little bit You know what I mean But It was like

Yo Face is fat This and that in the 30s Slow Nah It wasn't himself Yeah it wasn't himself He wasn't there

And I was Fucked up For everybody to see him that way like that. I didn't die after that. You know what I mean? So, nah, that's my heart. Also, this was like, I was a kid when I saw it at first. When ODB escaped from the rehab place.

Yo. Yo. Listen, by the way, I'm thinking I'm a child this time. So when I'm watching this, I'm like this is obviously, they're acting this out. And then I'm looking at it and I realize

as I'm older older Dirk McGirt He escaped from the rehab place Jumped on stage with Wu-Tang With a Remy Martin bottle in his hand Oh Webster Hall Right when it's just like that Webster Hall Yeah

So classic It gets on Right He goes I can't do too much police looking for yeah didn't make you killed it just now no he clearly on his shit this is me clear this is clear like on. But listen, when he did that, it was the first time we realized there's no difference from us in the streets.

From us rapping. There's not one difference. The man stood there. And niggas, it's like you're walking on, we haven't performed with you for three years. Three years you haven't been around. And Dirk is looking like, I gotta hurry up.

Right. He's looking at all y'all niggas like, yeah. Right, see that was him. Wow. That was him. Yo, I remember one time he had a warrant and shit. And like you said, he was looking for him and shit. And we was like, we had a show that night.

So, you know, it's all of us there. So, we like, damn, the only one missing is Dirk. Well, he ain't coming because, you know, he on the run right now. Yo, I remember, yo, he walked in the spot, nigga. It was him and his mother, nigga. And they walked in on some fly. Him and his mother. They walked in on some fly... Him and his mother. They walked in on some fly gangsta

shit to the stage and all that. It was like everything went slow motion after that. It was like, yo, how you walk in with your moms knowing you got a warrant? Oh my God! You the illest. See, Dirty, like I said, he was courageous, man.

He was everything, man. And a lot of times, I always personally took it like he loved to entertain people. Right. If he know he can make you laugh, he going to make you laugh all the time. You see what I'm saying? Right, right. Being around him when he's sober, it's like Ghost said, like, yo, he's a serious dude. You know what I mean?

He really loved what we was doing and he wanted to be a part of it, but he knew he couldn't hang with this because it was like we all ain't on the same wave. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? Prime example, he was the, you know, what's my nigga from The Temptations name?

David Ruffin. David Ruffin nigga, you know what I mean? He was the R you know, what's my nigga from The Temptations name? David Ruffin. David Ruffin nigga, you know what I mean? He was the Ruffin nigga, the crew. He was moving and searching on his own and figuring out his own way. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, he loved niggas, but it's just that he couldn't really fuck with niggas like that. Only when, after the money came. All this happened after the money came. All this happened

after the money came. Yeah. You know what I mean? When the money was low, niggas would be like this. You know what I mean? Because we ain't had no other choice. But speaking about the money,

Wu-Tang Forever, hip-hop's first million dollar video. Oh, Dirt, Dirt, Dirt, Dirt. That video right there, you see Dirt in there, you know why? Dirt wanted to get paid. He wanted some money.

He's like, yo, and niggas ain't had that money on the set. He was there. He ain't, they ain't give a talk. He ain't show up right there. So falling off the roof, that was Papa Woo.

That wasn't Dirt. You know what I mean? That's why he had a mask on. That wasn't Dirt. That was him. Dirt want that bread. Niggas ain't have it for him. Brett Ratton ain't have it for him.

Fuck you. I did have bread. I did not have that bar. That's it. Dirt wanted that bread. He was there. I had bread right now. I did not have it. That's it Dirt wanted that bread He was dead I had bread right now Did not have

Yeah He was dead That's how dirt was Fuck that Y'all gonna pay me for this shit But they also said The request for the million dollar video Was you

Oh yeah I was down with that You wanted Why did you want a million dollar video Nah We ain't look at it like a million dollar. We got a million dollar thought. Yeah, do a big video.

Whatever it costs. It just came out to a million, you know what I mean? You know, that was me. A million is a hundred million back then. Yeah, that was, you know, that was around the time where, you know, videos was serious. Is it Hype Wheels? Yeah, Hype Wheels time. Nah, he went.

He went and got some money. There's an outfit. Brush out. There went out to the... But he wasn't popping yet, though. He ain't rough yet. He have none of that out yet. He wasn't on that wave, like, making movies. He was just... He didn't have Rush Hour? Nah, he just had a good recommendation through Steve Rifkin.

Okay, cool. You know what I mean? The video wasn't actually a million. It was like Like 890,000 or some shit Like 900,000 That's a million That's just Yeah, that's a million

You know, but I googled you But it was just The way the song sounded It, you know Me and RZA's thinking You know, fucking You know

Just some other shit Right And Word Just had all these visions and shit But You know fucking, you know, just some other shit. Right. And Word, we just had all these visions and shit, but, you know, Deck being Spider-Man on, you know, Bomb Atomic being shit. Putting a bunch of shit inside one video that we felt was like, yo, it's going to be something crazy, and, yo, that came out to be the number.

Okay, this is the only Wu-Tang video I did not like, ever. Right. Well, y'all wanted to be Flintstones. What's that? Flintstones, right? He called it the Flintstones. I mean, yeah, it was the Flintstones. The name of the song was called Gravel Pit.

It was a great record. And that was RZA's call. It was a great record, but the video. That wasn't my call. That's true. You know what I mean? You know, you got to throw it on the number niggas. Yeah.

You know what? I'll tell you, because I never liked that record. Yeah. I thought the record was great. I thought we were talking about 25 years. I thought the record was bad. The video threw me off. I said, this is not my niggas record.

Nah, you ain't on the head. You was out on the record already. I don't care. I think that reminds you like a Flintstone. You know what I mean? I wasn't seeing it that way. You know what I mean? Yo, we was out there in fucking 200 degrees weather and furs.

Oh, my God. I sweated my fur out so much it shrunk. Why? Because you can't sweat and fur out so much it shrunk. Why? Because you can't sweat and fur like that because it'll shrink on you. I ain't know that shit. I tried to put my arms back in that shit again later on. I had to give it to my son.

So let me ask y'all. The first deal. We signed. We signed with Steve Riffkin live records. I Believe you know one that said you got a G out to deal. I Believe you don't even remember if you got a G Yeah, but if you got one I got you go you mean just make some noise for 1K, bro. 1K. All you 1Ks out there,

you can be like Ray and Ghost. Just take your 1K. This is your future. Yeah, I took 5K. It was terrible for me. Right. But took a G off of what? Off the first.

Nah, because, man, we got like 36,000 dollars for that shit. For the first deal? Yeah. The Wu-Tang deal. Yeah. We all got a gear piece and the rest went to fucking making the record.

Yeah. That's what put money in it. That's humble beginnings. It's a possibility. Yeah, we took a chance on Rifkin. Like, he said I could promise. He took a chance on us. We took a chance on him.

Yeah, exactly. We just heard that yesterday. Didn't we just hear that? Yesterday? I got no money? We just heard that. I can get you out. Take a risk on us? Take a risk on me? We did hear that yesterday. We absolutely heard that yesterday. Didn't we just hear that yesterday? I got no money? We just heard that. I can get you out of here. Take a risk on us or take a risk on me?

We did hear that yesterday. We did hear that yesterday. We absolutely did hear that. Right. So that's not a, no, relax. Relax. Yo, let me tell y'all something, man. Y'all my family, y'all my brothers, my friends.

But it doesn't take away from anything that we did tonight. Because I'm still your fan. And I will never stop being your fan. I will never stop being your fan. I will always, you know, I've seen a part because I did studies on y'all. And one thing the wizard said that I really love, he said, I let them all out they did. The only thing that I wanted was when I put this flag back down for the brothers to come back together. And I don't know if y'all believe that or not, but I know that sounded great.

And it's beautiful for a person to say you know what we all got together we all did what we gotta do but when I put that whoop thing back down that's all like Voltron

right so one of my last questions is Morris Criscelli cause that's awesome nah look look look Morris Criscelli hold on let me getiselli Nah look look look Mars Criselli

Hold on let me get this one Pass on that You know what I mean Fuck him Yeah fuck him You can say I can say fuck him He can't sue me

Fuck him Alright But that we won't Ever talk about Cause it's nothing We don't Not the album Not none of that

It's not relevant It's nothing to talk about I love it But I wanna say this though Just to get on some positive shit. Get on some positive shit. You know, being in the business for like 27 joints, you know, I'm proud of my brothers because we still here. Absolutely.

You know what I'm saying? I got brothers in the movie world. You know, brothers still being creative. You got brothers, you know, being still being creative. You got brothers, you know, being professors, you know, shout out to Jizz of running through Harvard.

Definitely. That's Harvard doing things and, you know, we writing books. You know, your brother got a book out. Yeah,

come on, let's talk about that book. This book right here is something like a, you know, it's a memoir. It's a memoir. Staircase to stage.

You know what I'm saying? This is a book that I wrote. Minimal Ways. Soon to Happen. Starfish. Scarface. You know what I'm saying? That page.

That's crazy. Staircase to stage. But the moral of what I'm saying is like, we still here, man. Through thick and thin, being around each other and just getting to know each other more. It's like I love all my brothers, you know what I mean? This might be the closest one to me based on the fact that we had three careers. You know what I mean? You know, having one with the Wu, having our own personal solo, and then having our own situation.

But at the end of the day, you ain't— You said two? It's three. It's three three you got three careers and one one one I'm saying solo duo and group and group so for us to still be in person on me and still doing we doing still killing shows because we kill shows you You know that. I'm there. You know what I mean? I've been there. And it's like it's fun. It's like, you know, we do it, of course, to get paid and take care of families. But we do it because we love it.

You know what I mean? We love it. Niggas still. And that's why whatever we go through as a family, we always come back and make it make sense somehow. I love it. I love it. Somehow. It's very tough to keep a group together.

You told me that a long time ago. Of course. By saying, yo, we ain't the only ones that's going through what we go through. You know what I mean? Like, groups been going through shit for years. Yeah. So, you know, it's a dynasty, man. You know, it's going to be here forever.

You know, it's time we do shows and next thing you know You see 16-year-olds 17-year-olds 18-year-olds 19-year-olds In the crowd Singing this shit

Nine-year-olds So it's a duty for us To keep continuing To shine on these niggas Letting them get it Yeah of course So anything that we go through Is like

You gotta put it to the side for a minute. Just for a minute. Right. I'm going to serve that person the legacy. That's it, B. This is the bathroom.

I got two more questions. That's it. I got two more questions. I want you to say something to my brother, Un, real quick. I ain't going nowhere. Bring him on.

You know what I mean? He come to the bathroom with me? Yeah. Because he's going to the bathroom with you? Yeah Cause he He come to the bathroom with you Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I got two more questions Nah, yeah, yeah Let me ask y'all real quick though Yeah Cause when y'all were talking about Being in junior high together Did y'all How could you imagine

What would be Happening today In this In this age of y'all in right now? Would you even imagine that? I couldn't imagine it, bro. It's too far-fetched because it's like, you know, like I said, we was just brought together to do something for a second that we felt was going to benefit each other, but not really knowing this is going to be like a real brother to me, a brother that I never had. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like it's like that now. So whatever we do to each other, it's always going to be a brotherhood. Right. Regardless of what. You know what I mean? The years that we spent together, the nights being broke.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And the bus cramped up like this. It's like that's why niggas make movies about us because, you know what I mean, wait till we make our movie. Right.

Then you're going to get a chance to see a movie. Wait, so it's going to be a ran ghost movie? Just, just know that before we even go there

with it, just know it's always in the makers. It's a thought that's really deep to us. It's like, you're just only seeing a painting right now one painting

not exactly all right so serious two questions left it's most important questions of this whole interview to me yeah two first solo albums. I'm going to start with you. Purple Tape already comes out, correct? It's time for you. Go in. Iron Man. What's your thoughts? What's going on?

What are you doing? It's everyone from the Klan members' turn. It's your turn. By the time that got to me, I had a... Richard came to me, was like,

yo, it's that time, but you only got like a couple of months to do this shit. You know what I mean? But mind you, I had just found out that I was a diabetic at that time. You know what I mean? Because when you look at me in the ice cream video,

my face is all fatter, everything like that. You know what I mean? By the time I got to Iron Man, it done slimmed down. Like, you know what I mean? The diabetes took it down, right? I was in a bad place At that time

Really It was dark Cause to me Iron Man is super dark And when Riz Played those beats for me On the land I just picked out

The fattest shit That I Real quick Cause we wasn't Fucking with Other producers At that time Like taking beats

From Premiere And this one And that one And that one Yeah all that Like that I just was with Riz. You know what I'm saying?

So, but spiritually, I wasn't really there. Mind you, coming off of the ride with him, yo, listen, I got to get that energy and better. But it wasn't there. Did you feel pressure from that, though? Sorry. Was there pressure coming off of that? It was a little bit.

A little bit because I was hoping that my mind state would have been there. Right. Like that, to do that. Because that's, I was so fucked up. This is what happened on Iron Man. Besides it being dark. What? I didn't rhyme on two records.

I let him do Fast and the Blade by himself. And Assassination Day, I couldn't even get on it. Because I couldn't even think. I couldn't two records. I let him do Faster Blade by himself. And Assassination Day, I couldn't even get on it because I couldn't even think. I couldn't even think. Like, my pain game wasn't really where I wanted to be

after leaving with him. You know what I mean? But I had to hurry up. That's why I don't do deadlines no more. Right. You know what I mean? Like, rushing me to go ahead

and do this when this is an art. Yo, it takes time to bake your fucking cake, man. You know what I mean? So I had to learn that. I had to go through that shit. But Iron Man is so dark to me. Race shit is lit.

I picked out the best beats that I could take from RZA at that time. And to this day, that's my first joint. But I don't really feel it like that. No. Nah, it's not in my soul.

It's crazy. I just want y'all to know he's crazy. He's crazy. No, it's not in my soul. It's crazy. I just want you to know he's crazy. He's crazy. No, I agree with you. Y'all just say whatever you want to say. Nah, I know. You know what? It's a classic.

It's a classic. But you do agree it's a classic. If I was in my right fucking state of mind, bro. It wasn't 100%. I didn't rhyme on the American records because of like that. I didn't do that because I couldn't. I couldn't. But I had to get the record done.

Right, right. That's crazy. I had to get it done.'t do that because I couldn't I couldn't but I had to get the record done right right I had to get it done that's crazy you know what I mean I was by the way none of your fans will agree with you but I understand what you're coming but he's saying his reality no I understand that's you that's you that pressure yeah I understand what you said listen I was going through shit yeah it was dark my best friend left for 25 years. Oh, that's how they so guilty Did you mean do did you we kindle that flame on Supreme? Kyle tell It started to come back. Okay. Yeah, it's come back here. I said though. Well, he's making Ironman

His lane is right here, man That's how I thought What's the moment shit? I him pissed every five minutes, lose a mega weight. By the time I got to Triumph, if you look at me and Ray in that same video, back to back, my neck was so fucking skinny, bro.

And that's when you went to Africa? That's Africa? That's after that, yup. Right after that. To try to go find a cure or something like that. I didn't get the fuck out of here. What?

I had to get the fuck out of here. You know what I mean? So, it was all of that Like that Like go Just go It was dark for me

It was dark It didn't This is some funny shit I got the Delphonics In the shootout On Staten Island They in the shootout with me The Delphonics

Delphonics The Delphonics Yeah The niggas in the shootout With me What the fuck Got the niggas In the 15th passenger What the fuck I Got the niggas in the 15th passenger.

What the fuck? I'm blowing at this kid playing games. I start shooting at this nigga. Oh, my goodness. These niggas in the back of me in the fucking van. You know what I mean? And money hitting back and all this other shit. So, we riding.

Like, yo, this shit was crazy. So, by the time I got to say sorry to these niggas and shit No, these niggas was like yo, they like your worry man. I some told me to bring my knife Remember these old men now I'm thinking like David the fight to get the dogs in the shootout like Crazy I'm like I'm like I'm like, oh shit the Foxes got the Dope Phonics in the shootout. Like, bro, it was wild. It was so wild. I'm like, oh, shit. But you know what?

They Philly niggas. Yeah, they was on my album. They might have did that record that night after the Smokers clip. Oh, my God. I'm like, yo. Yo, I got to the studio. I'm like, yo, we in the elevator. Yo, I'm sorry, man. Yo, I'm fucking sorry. Yo, I'm like, yo, we in the elevator. Like, yo, I'm sorry, man. Yo, I'm fucking sorry.

Yo, I'm sorry. Yo, yo, don't worry about it, man. Something told me to bring my knife. Something told me to bring my knife and shit. So I'm like, fuck, I felt so fucking bad for the, like, you know what I mean? How you get this shootout with the Delphi? The Delphi, so listen.

They in the back of me. 15 passenger. They just see me blowing at this nigga. You know what I mean? Because nigga was, like, in the front of me. In the front. Yo, nigga, yo, listen, Ray. The nigga in the front, he playing games and shit.

So he see me through the fucking rear view. So we in the whip. And I'm like, yo. I see the nigga smiling, looking through the rear view. Looking through the shit. Yo, he's smiling see the niggas smiling looking to the riff Yo, he's smiling at me like that like that like yeah nigga chicken real slow real slow Don't find it in the back 15 white dad So I'm like yo, just like a playing games like yo, then I had to join so I'm like, I don't know the niggas just Kept on going slow stopping so we got stop behind because we ride behind him

Mike yo this nigga doing shit as soon as he turned off the eyes good shit like that the Laurel shit like Made that turn I just, boom, boom, boom, boom. Windows back, windows back. So, yo, I got the fucking van, yo. The van following us like in the back. Yo, check it out. They following us. The other shooting niggas, they turned around. Now they in back in the big van. Yo.

Racing through the project down Bay Street, doing all this shit. back in the big big they turned off I guess. Yo, they was in the car all the time. Yo, they was in the car, man. I'm telling you, yo. Yeah, they was in the car all the time. Yo, and all they said was like, I couldn't last. Yo, that is the best shit I ever heard in my life. The Dells, man. The Dells Fox, nigga. The ones, la, la, la, all that shit.

Yo. How did the record go that night? When you see him, action. Yo. Was the record popping that night? Yo. I think we might have did the record go that night? When you see him, action. Was the record popping that night? Yo, I think we might

do the record that night. You know what I mean? Yo, I'm telling you. But, but, but, Iron Man,

you know, I just wasn't there for it. Coming off when I just came up with Rob and him, it would have been, if I was in my right state of mind, oh listen, it would have been If I was in my right state of mind Oh listen It would have been beautiful

It's crazy because as a fan Just so you know Most of us didn't see that Most of us It's dark Listen to it again I gotta listen to it I gotta listen to that

You know what I mean After me and him Right It's dark Especially when it gets to the last Last couple of songs Three, four songs and all that It's like

It's like I'm gonna listen to it I'm gonna listen to that With Daphne Monk All I got is you on there gets to the last couple of songs, three, four songs and all that, it's like... I'm going to listen to it. I'm going to listen to that with Daphne Monk. All I got is you on there. That shit is like, that's like a dark record too. It is a dark record. I didn't even think about it. No, I don't think about it like that because the record took

me there. Right. You know what I mean? But I was going through so much shit at that time. It was like, it just had to come out. It just came out like that and shit. It released something. Yeah, exactly. But nobody never really knew that shit.

Ray didn't really know that shit. I ain't tell Ray, but I'm just saying, I didn't rhyme on those other records because I couldn't think. I'm losing weight, nigga, I'm thinking like, that the fuck is this, Asia some wild shit? Like, it's just too much shit was going on like that or whatever and shit like yo b

and you know and it means what it is you know what i like about it i like that i'm covered you know what i mean best album cover to me in the world you know what i mean it's colorful you know what i mean got the cuba lynchings up here we it's like yo that was it you know how much money clark's made man man More man We can give it a couple Nah I gotta ask you the same as that question Because The one thing That I believe

I think Devon said it Devon said Iron Man made Ghost a star He said who? He said Iron Man Made you a star Oh Then he said Only built for Cuban Link He said, who? He said, Iron Man made you a star. Oh. Then he said,

Only Built for Cuban Links made Ray Khan a star. Like, outside of Wu-Tang. So, it's kind of a two-part question. One, do you agree with that statement? And two, how did, like, Only Built for Cuban, how did you go in to make a massacre like that

do i feel like how he felt it made me a star yeah because all eyes was on me i was i was leading the ship it's like it's like becoming the captain of a crew right you know what i'm saying it's like i have my own crew now and i knew it was important to drive everybody into a world where niggas will feel like at the end of the day, yo, he did enough to support the next nigga that's coming after us. You know, it's like going to do your job and do your job right. So, yeah, he passed his test. You know what I mean? Yo, now you go to this man. He got to pass.

Now we looking at him as you next, man. You got to passed his test. Right, right. You know what I mean? Yo, now you go to this man. He got a pass. Now we looking at him as you next, man. You got to pass the test. Mm-hmm. You know, like I said, it was fun just getting it in because we was young and we couldn't believe we was where we was at. We was making a lot of money. You know, we was able to take care of our family and buy cars and cribs and all that shit but I know I know it was a serious time making that album back in 95.

Because I never asked you this what does Only Built For Cuban Links mean? Only Built For Cuban Links it's like when I think of a link it's like certain chains can never be broken. You know, mentally. Do I got a Cuban? I don't even know if I got a Cuban. At the same time, do y'all got one on? Y'all niggas got Cuban on.

Y'all niggas got big Cubans. Let's stick with y'all shit. You got a baby. I got a baby one. Y'all look toddler Cuban, man. I got a toddler. That's cute. Y'all got the big Cuban.

That's very cute. He's a fly nigga anyway, so. That's a big Cuban. Yeah, Tyler. That's very cute. Well, he a fly nigga anyway, so. You got the big Cuban links. He jumping in minis and all that. Because only people Cuban links, at this time, you're talking about the jewelry, but you're talking about your clique. Yeah, I mean, just the mental picture of it.

Like, when you think of a chain, you think that it can never be broken according to that size of the chain. Right. The way the links connect. Right. You know, the way we feel we connect with our brothers is that way, like, nothing could ever break this. Right.

You know, so that was my thought on it, where I felt like, yo, it's only built for those niggas. Right. Slowing niggas. Slowing niggas. You know what I mean? Niggas that, and niggas that do. Yeah. And niggas that do also wear the big shit.

Right. That come out and earn that, to wear that. You earned it. Right. You know what I mean? You might have had

a couple of scars to show your medals on who you were, but you had the respect on the block because everybody couldn't wear those. Right.

Nigga come at you for a little earring with a rope in your ear. It's like, yo, this nigga came up. You know, we came up like that, so when it got to in your ear it's like yo this thing came up you know we came up like that so when it got to that level where it was like yo you wearing big cubans and your mentality changed because everybody around you you're supposed to trust right supposed to love

them that's what that's what cuban links meant only built for those that stick together let's get into the album now. Because like Ghost said, I think Ghost said this earlier, it's like a Scarface record. I don't even know how to describe that. I don't In my mind,

if I had your budget, your lifestyle, I would have definitely been in, like, the Maldives or something. But you was in that Project Elevator. Exactly. And I'm looking like... But the concept of the record, incarcerated scarface.

Like, what's going through your mind? Is this your preference for the single? Like, just bring me back to there for a second. Sorry. You know, that record was, that record got made quick. I came up in RZA's studio one day. It was probably like early in the morning.

I heard him playing this shit. Automatically, I fell in love with the beat right away. He's playing it for somebody else? Nah, he was in his crib. He was in his crib like playing and making beats or whatever. And I just walked in. You know how you just feel his energy right away? Boom. Yo boom yo oh shit I just ain't even say nothing to him I just start writing to him

but I wrote the hook first which I don't normally do you know what I mean I don't really write hooks right away um you know just really vibing with it I just felt a good energy and I did three verses, but my verses was more like freestyle verses. It wasn't like I had no concept or no thought to really aim at something particular. It was just, yo, let me just freestyle rhyme over this shit, yo. But it was a quick rhyme. And the reason why we did it in the projects is because we, like he said, we were still in that project mentality. I wanted my niggas to be proud of knowing that we doing it in the hood again. We doing it with our niggas. And I had a lot of niggas that was locked up.

So, you know what I mean? I was thinking about that at the same time. With the hook, like, all my niggas locked up. Because we lost a lot of niggas around that time. Right. You know, I could name three niggas that had 40 years, three, just three niggas. 40 years worth of shit they got to give back.

So, you know, I just wanted to do something for all our niggas. Like, I got to make sure on this album that we touch those niggas that ain't here because they had so much to do with, you know, where we stand today as far as, you know what I mean talking how we talk here fastly he right this nigga I seen him right on the back of milk cartons brown paper bags like he just do shit right like damn bricks like Bricks like this, right? Like that, bam. Like, fuck. Fast. I'm the slowest nigga.

You know what I mean? He got the fastest. You know what I mean? But his shit's fat, though. I gotta think. I think too much when I'm doing my shit. You know what I mean? So I know what he's talking about because I wasn't even there for that session.

A lot of other sessions I was there for, you know what I mean? But when he did that, a spot, no, I was there for You know what I mean But when he did that Uh Uh Uh Spot No I was there for Spot Rush

Fucking The Green Rock The Green Eye What's that one That shit Oh North Star Yeah North Star And all that shit

Yeah that's the slow shit It's like this Him When his Shit go off It's like He the one that got me Spitting like

How I How I spit You know what I mean like getting caught up in his shit You know I mean so That's why I tell him this shit dangerous But what does the incarcerated scar face mean? What does that mean? It's just representing those niggas that didn't make it This is for those. Oh, it's not possible. They like jail cost of it cost of it, and you got star It's like it's like for every niggaas. It's not incarcerated like jail. It's incarcerated. And you got to start. You know what I mean? It's like for every nigga that got a scar.

It's like whether it's whatever had on you, you paid your dues to have that scar. Right. You know what I mean? If you was an athlete and you worked hard and you damn near crushed your whole shit, you worked hard to get to that level where that, you sacrifice that. So, that's always gonna be a part of you.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So, it's like, like he said, it had a lot to do with the mentality, the niggas that warred.

You know what I mean? Some niggas got hit with scars and that ain't stopping. Niggas like, yo, that come with the territory. A gunshot wound.

You know what I mean? Niggas that war shit for the right, for the reasons to get them where they at today. Yo, let me tell you something. Niggas dropped albums, but we had errors. We had errors. With an S. Can you say

with an S? With an S. I couldn't tell if you were saying with an S or not, so I just wanted to for the people that's listening, with a fucking S. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Plural, I mean. Yeah, I couldn't tell if you were saying what an S or not, so I just wanted to, just sort of, for the people that's listening, what a fucking S. Okay.

Thank you, thank you. What an S, okay. Yo, B, you know what I mean? And that just shows your strength. That was your strength. Like you said, it's a bunch of us instead of third, but we had an era

where it was just like, yo, that's that Wu era. Right there. Whether it was like six months, seven months, or whatever, if that brick being there with us doing solo shit

at the same time and still continuing to hold that flag, you know what I mean? We was there with that. We was there with that. I just wanted to throw that out of the air one time.

You know, it was one of the most beautiful moments. We could end it after this. One of the most beautiful moments that was in a it after this. One of the most beautiful moments, it was in a documentary, y'all all sitting down. It's all of y'all.

It's RZA's over there. I think Ray's at the other side of the table. And I think y'all eating spaghetti. And y'all sitting there. And y'all just talking to each other. And it's no business. It's just y'all talking to each other. Because, and I'm just thinking this Biggie Smalls lyric. And it goes, and it's no business. It's just y'all talking to each other because,

and I'm just thinking this Biggie Smalls lyric. And it goes, did you ever think hip-hop would take it this far? Because you look at the beginning footage of y'all. And then you look at,

I don't want to say the ending footage because y'all legacy is continuing to grow. It's going to always continue to grow. So this is not the ending footage,

but this is the latter footage. And I'm sitting with y'all and y'all all, and Ray, it's you. You were at the head of the table. You're saying, I'm guessing this is a business meeting. Because you're like, yeah, because we want to just make sure all the businesses strike. You say that, but then you also say, I'm enjoying being here with my brothers. And I'm enjoying, you know, getting to know who y'all are but then you also say I want to know your babies you say this it's kind of whack you know

you got a baby you got a baby and we don't know each other's babies and I'm telling, I'm supposed to call you and tell you this, you know, off the side, I cried. Like I literally cried because I was like, damn, you know,

as much as me and Pone speak to each other, I don't really know his children. See, that's something that I would never think of. Like I don't,

and what's crazy is Pone visits me more because Miami's just a more lit place. He come out here, he use me for an excuse. He ain't really come to see me. But he get to meet my seeds. I don't really go to

South Jersey. No, they just spread to South Jersey. There's just no reason for me to go to South Jersey so I don't really get to see his seeds. But when you said that, y'all said that, it's like, yo, listen. I believe it was you. He's like, yo, your seeds, I'm supposed to know your seeds. Right. You're supposed to know my seeds.

That's right. And I literally just, like, I know that you ain't trying to do that to me. But I literally was like, like, I couldn't hold it. I was just like, wait a minute. This nigga just said my whole life. And it's because we become important. Or we become important in our world. And sometimes we forget what's happening in your world.

You forget what's happening in your world. But it's all our world that's rice and gravy and four chicken wings starting us together. Mr. Child said several years. Yeah. But sometimes

we look at shit for what it really is and not what it appears to be. We got to put certain, you know, as you get older, we know how to put

certain shit to the side. Like, you right, right, right right because the seeds we still don't even know all these other scenes like that right we still don't right you know what i mean and that's and that's important because when i told you my seeds run with his seeds that's how we make that's how i really you meant that And you said that I meant that You see Jay-Z Took your shit

Recently And we iterated it And said He said I remember what Wu-Tang said Right Yussi's Mary Isley's

Right And that's how It's supposed to be That's how it's really Supposed to be You know what I mean Yeah it's really How it's supposed to be

We don't got too much time here You know what I mean God forbid something happen A week from now A little bit tomorrow You know what I mean? God forbid something happen a week from now, a little bit tomorrow. You know what I mean? And shit like that. That's why I always tell my brother I love him before I break out from him. You know what I mean? At least you can take that with you if something ever happened to me.

You know what I mean? Or whatever. Like, yo, but we got to start thinking like that. You know what I mean? Because, yo, I swear. And for you to give us this right here, B. It's like, for y'all to give us this. This is meant. You you know I mean cuz you know I swear and for you to give us this right here B it's like y'all give us this you know I mean word is born all praises is due it's like yo man it's like you gave us flowers B you know I mean just to sit here like that with my brother and we talking and we building

you know what I mean and for y'all letall, let me just say something, bro. Because we family, but again, that doesn't take away from our fans. Right. And what y'all did to the game, what y'all brought. What y'all mean. What y'all continue to do, what you mean to the game. All we can do is continue to salute y'all. Right. Continue to respect y'all.

Continue to show y'all how much you mean to this game. How much you mean to this generation. How much you mean to the public. What they say, Wu-Tang is forever. Right. And it's true. Appreciate y'all, man. It's true, man.

So I just want to tell y'all face-to-face, man to man. Out of eye. Chose, baby. Chose, yeah. And this nigga got Valor on his bottles. That's how you know he's a different nigga. It's true man, so I just want to tell y'all face to face man to man And this thing got this is a ball on his bottles, that's how you know he's different nigga Okay, how the fuck I've never seen for law on any liquor No niggas know me as being ghost right hand Come on, Super Soup. That's my RQ right there. This, this, this, Ghost. These brothers said, said, you know what I mean? Even though niggas know me as being Ghost's right hand, this is Ghost's golden right hand. It's the gold part of that hand. Where you at?

Big Un. Come on, Big Un. You know what I mean? Come on, come on. Where am I? Somebody here for a second. What's going on, Un? How you doing? Un, so I will understand that Un stands for understanding. True indeed. Third degree of the mathematics.

That's right. Knowledge, wisdom, understanding. That's right. So tell us how proud you are of these two brothers. I'm sure you've seen them. Oh, yeah, for sure. Tell us how proud you are of these two brothers. I'm sure you've seen them. Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, it's been many decades when I was up in the can watching my brothers grow. I was happy for all of them.

I've seen Ray, Ghost, Math on TV, RZA. I used to be in there representing like, yo, that right there is my peoples, man. You know, because I felt like once they made it, I felt like I made it too. I know. Because we come from the same cloth. Right. And I see you got the wave caps too. Your waves are spinning.

Oh, all right. Thank you. All right. Yeah. All right. Yeah. But yo, I know one of your peoples too, man. He might have been part of that revolution when all that shit was going on in the prisons. And like you said, niggas was reappearing because he was around that time.

You know? Yeah, well, it was a dude from around your way named Shaw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The glasses and shit. Yeah, yeah, Shawmeek. Yeah, Shawmeek. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's always writing me notes.

He in the hospital right now, man. He fighting for his life right now. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, bless him. Yeah, big up Shaw Meek Wherever you at You know I love you man Yeah man

Shout him out Yeah yeah yeah With the glasses You hit it right on the nose Yeah yeah yeah Yeah he in the hospital right now Please please you know You don't get well

Yeah You know get back to it That's right For Un man Listen let me just Go ahead Let's cut you off Yeah

They gave me that That 25 I told you to it. For Un, man, listen, let me just say, go ahead. Let's cut you off. Yeah. They gave me that 25. I told you, for a crime, a body that he never even caught. And he had to do that. But he's in the books now as being like the first man for like actual innocence.

Actual innocence. Like nobody don't get that. How about the Central Park Five? They got exonerated. Yeah. What's the difference between exonerated and innocent? All right,

well, let me just explain it to you, right? So when you get, you can either get it in the interest of justice, like they probably got it at the Central Park, you know, joggers, and you can get it

under actual innocence. The reason why they don't like to give it under actual innocence is because everything that you advocate within your motions and you submit into the court is facts. There's no arguing. They really can't oppose it.

So that makes your civil suit strong. So you can sue. Oh, yeah, for sure. The lawsuit is strong. Yeah, because now they're saying that they know you didn't do it. It's that actual innocence that you didn't do this crime however when they give it to you in the interest of justice they're not saying you and it's in a

plea that you didn't do the crime but there's a possibility that you could have played a part in your own conservation or whatever so now they have legs stand on when they go in civil court you follow what I'm saying yeah because they're not really opposing they still want you have to still go on civil court. You follow what I'm saying? Yeah. Because they're not really opposing. You do have to still go on civil court and prove your innocence all over again. Like O.J. O.J. being a criminal and a fucked up civilly. Fucked up civilly.

Yeah. Happens a lot. I believe O.J. innocent. I don't know why y'all think he's laughing. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I've been with O.J. this whole time. I never switch sides.

O.J. a nut. Fucking nut. I had drinks with OJ this whole time. I never switch sides. OJ a nut. Fucking nut. I had drinks with OJ. Oh, yeah? Yeah, and some wings. He ain't a killer. I know accident killers. But he did say.

I said it. I was like, murder you then. He was like, yeah, no problem. I was there. He said it. But it's out there. I'm sorry. He's playing games.

I'm sorry. Go ahead, honey. Yeah, listen, man. I just like to spread my story, you know, because what happened to me. I'm sorry He's playing games I'm sorry Yeah listen man I just like to spread my story You know Because what happened to me Was an injustice That should never happen to anybody And what was your actual crime

When you was accused of? Murder I was accused of murder Murder to the second degree I was employed to Wu-Tang At the time You know we all started Wow

And that played a factor In my conservation rather In my conviction Because they was trying to You mean that they was harder on you? Because you was affiliated to Wu-Tang? Nah Because And that played a factor in my conservation, rather, and my conviction. They was trying to use that. You mean that they was harder on you because you was affiliated to Wu-Tang? Nah, because, you know, you're going to see it all in the documentary, but it played a factor to where the guy, whoever he was that committed the crime, dropped the baseball cap and it had the W on it,

and I was in poise to try to make it his. You know, I don't know if anybody knows that. So the hats was being sold all over, though, because you had the Wu-Wei. you on it and I was always trying to you know I don't know you might know that so the hats is being sold all over though because you had to woo where you member back in order people so everybody was buying these caps so you know so they made a big thing I only work they use exhibit a and use my records and they use documentation so same time the kid died in Staten Island? Yeah, it was murder. Yeah, it was murder from the police. No, no, no, no, no, no.

You talking about this one? No, no, no, this was 25 years ago. This is not the same time. No, I was locked up already. 25 years ago. I'm talking about the 90s. I'm talking about Eric Garner. Eric Holden. Wasn't there another kid?

I'm talking about Case, father. Yeah, Case. Case. Case, that got killed. By the police. No, that was in 88, right? By the police. No, no, no, Case was in 90, like 90. Another kid came to my case from yeah case case case Wow and you do have a lawsuit? Yes. Okay. Yeah, bro. How's the lawsuit looking? I mean, assuming you based on what you said, it's strong.

Okay, all right, no problem. But you need your justice, sir. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, but listen, all right? I don't care how much money they give me. I get my third, you know, I get my third by sitting here speaking about what happened to me. Right. This is how I get to feel better about myself and, you know, I can deal with it. I spoke to a therapist on the phone.

This guy, I'm listening. Now, listen, I'm intelligent. I went to college. I educated myself. I helped, you know, my lawyer with a lot of emotions on getting out of prison. I learned the law. So when I'm speaking to a stranger, and, you know, he's a therapist. He went to school for it.

And I feel he's psychoanalyzing me. I start to psychoanalyze him Well, you know what makes you think you could you know, so now we going like that So I said he's useless. All right, you see cuz he fell into my trap. So he's useless So I get more therapy by sitting there speaking into the world telling what happened to me I don't care how much money I got. I'm never gonna stop advocating that Just want you to know money I got, I'm never going to stop advocating that. Right. God bless you. You know what I'm saying? God bless you. Just want y'all to know, too.

I want you to know, yo, you know what I mean? This man was on the Purple Tape, too, you know? Wow. He was a part of that movement and, you know, cheering me on and Ghost. Right. Like, he seen the collaboration. He seen Paul killing Stapleton. Right.

He a Stapleton nigga, you know what I mean? He was like, yo, fuck with that Hill nigga, man. Y'all niggas, you know, we had that relationship for a long time. So it's like when the glory came, it's so crazy, you know, because when the glory came, Ghost lost his man to the system, and I lost my man to the system. You know what I'm saying? So even, I'm talking about everything that we rhyme

about we talk about it we laugh about joke about and cry about and all that it come from being with the niggas that you with you know i'm saying the niggas that you hang with so it's like it was a deep depression but it was still a success it was like while we was missing them niggas and talking about them in records it's like they was up there getting strength from just knowing that we we there we care about we thinking about the money get them niggas the strength and they work off the yard strong and they work like you know what i mean so it's like you see how it is you see how it go tan we're wishing my nigga here he like yo we here because you there so it's like the loyalty to the you know That's important to us man. If what nigga to go away for so long for something he didn't do

And then like I said, you know this being this man I don't know too many niggas that take care of a man for 25 years 23 years That makes no sense And make sure that we don't lose you That's the solidest shit I see Damn, make some noise for that. And make sure that I hit you. I stayed by you. That's the solidest shit I've seen. Every nigga I know named Understand is light-skinned. I'm fucking with you.

I'm fucking with you. Nigga from my hood named Understand is light-skinned as a motherfucker. That's why you just fucking me up. But listen, man. Yo, thank you for sharing your story, my brother. Got it, brother. They said it earlier earlier I didn't realize how deep it was

until you sat here in front of us and I appreciate that I appreciate your vulnerability I appreciate your honesty I appreciate

um you just being a part of what we we saluting right now because we saluting the wolf we saluting Ray we saluting Ghost and for that to be a part of what we're saluting right now because we're saluting the Woo. We're saluting Ray. We're saluting Ghost.

And for that to be a part of the story, that's fucking phenomenal, man. So I want to salute you as a brother. I don't think we got anything more else to do. I think we're going to take some pictures. And I want some pictures with you too as well. We'll take some drops. And then that's it, man.

Well, you know what? Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. We'll take some drops and then and then that's it man. Well, well, you know what? Ray this is your third time on here this your first time on here Ghosts, but I want you to know something I want all y'all to know something Me and EFN did not know what the fuck we were doing We just realized it was an outlet open that it didn't have no outlet for veterans.

It didn't have no outlet for people who put in the time. It didn't have no outlet, what is this called, for people with their CR dates. People that's already, they have no outlet for that. So that's what we wanted to do. But what we wanted to do was big up people who deserve it.

Big up people who's legends. Big up people, because a lot of people don't understand. If you're a construction worker, if you work at McDonald's, if you work in the doctor's office, you can take that shit off and you're regular. You can never be regular. It's not one day of your life you can be regular.

You can go to Hallmark. I don't even think it's Hallmark Open still. But you go to Hallmark and get a car, nigga, I'm going to be like, Ray, what's going on? Nigga, we're going to be on stamps one of them nights. Hell yeah. You go to Radio Shack tomorrow. I know Radio Shack ain't open. I'm saying this on purpose.

Listen, but the key thing is it's not over. It's not over. You know what I'm saying? I always start back in the days that when you get to a certain level of success, niggas forget you. But then I realized that the only way they forget you is if you allow yourself to be forgotten. You see what I'm saying? We 27, 28 joints in.

Niggas are still getting money, still looking young, still networking, and carrying it in a humble way. Yes. Because like I said, you got to be humble today to, you know, to adapt to shit. Like Hun said, he said the realest shit. Like, yo, we don't do this for money. We do it for money, but we don't do it for money. Right. You know what I mean?

Money is actually secondary. It's not even secondary. Yeah, it's like that's going to always be there. Right. But when you got solid niggas It's like In the game We still gotta be solid

Right Don't let it Don't let it change The dynamics Of who you really are Because You thinking You hiding it

But niggas can see it Right Niggas can see it You know what I'm saying So You know I salute y'all Just for Creating

Like you said Creating something That you felt like Yo We gotta pay homage To the niggas that did it Yeah Because them niggas

You know what I mean They mean something To the game Right See I remember y'all Having conversations about Forming a A union

Yeah We still with it You feel me We still with it That right there Is the type of shit I think about And I wanna be a part of that.

Yeah. Because it's only right. You know what I mean? At some point, it's like we making so much money in the business. Yep. But how much are we really investing into ourselves to make it better for the next hundred years? Just think about this. Have you ever acted in a movie?

You acted in a movie, right? Yeah. You acted in a movie before? You acted in a movie before? Yeah. C-74. That's the real guy was anybody who ever acted in the movie do you understand did they make you pay a union fee you don't even know that yeah you don't even know it like it's just a party because they just say they're giving you I'm just giving you a ballpark number let's say

they give me four hundred thousand ten ten thousand are those dollars is going Let's just say they're giving you a ballpark number. Let's say they're giving you $400,000. $10,000 of those dollars is going to what they call SAG. SAG is taking that into an actor's union. Screen Actors Guild. Screen Actors Guild. They're taking that into a union. So now that $10,000 might feed 10,000 families. That's only getting paid $100 or whatever, right? But what if we did that?

What if we said, all right, cool. Every five shows we're making this, this, and that. Let's take 15 grand and let's put that to Breonna Taylor's family. Let's take that 10,000. Let's take that $10,000.

Let's put that towards George Floyd. Let's put that towards whatever, whatever. You don't think we can do that? Or let's build more recreational areas. You know what I mean?

Let's do things. And let's take care of cool work. You know what I mean? Let's take care of cool work. Everybody. Let's take care of cool work. Let's take care of Kool Herc. Everybody, like, yeah, it got to be like, that's what needs to happen. Let's take care of Kool Herc.

Like, sometimes, and Kool Herc is my man, but sometimes I look at Kool Herc, and I'm like, fantastic. And then sometimes I'm like, wait a minute. Let's give him the help that he's not asking for. That's it. Yeah. He shouldn't ask for help. Kool Herc is the Bill Russell of rap man Every single one of those architects

You know what I mean Deserve everything that they should get from the culture Right I feel like we should do that It's like you said It's like brothers and sisters There's no funeral money there for them So you gotta do a GoFundMe

That's terrible It's like yo you supposed to be, you know, I don't give a fuck if you're getting 700 hours a month if you've been here over fucking 20 years or something like that. Over five. Oh, whatever. It's like veterans.

But it's still like, yo, but you know. It's just like what I said. Like, do you know, do you, do you, all right, do you know how hard it is to walk to McDonald's as a famous nigga? Just imagine how hard it is to walk to McDonald's as a famous nigga that didn't make it. Like a nigga that got, the record label spent a million on you. So everyone know who you are.

You just didn't make it. But you out there walking to McDonald's, niggas like McDonald's niggas like you ever been to Bullpen niggas be like what you doing in here like nigga in McDonald's like what you doing in here like nigga why you think I'm in here

cause I got I need this under $7 meal too it's real shit but if you put it in that work I feel like you should Be taken care of

Right I feel like when it comes To the hospital That's part of them flowers man That's you know You know the only sport That don't take care of you Is boxing

It's Rap is brutal It's boxing Baseball has a Yeah Has something to take care of you It's fucked up Football

Football The most brutal sport In the fucking world Besides boxing Has something to take care of you Football Football The most brutal sport In the fucking world Besides boxing Has something to take care of you Right Basketball Has a little something to take care of you

You know what rap got? Us Right If If I fall off Yup And you won't answer your phone

I'm fucked up, Ghost That's right Nah, you're right You're 200 You're 200 That can't be right, man That can, ghost. That's right. You're right. Get you a hundred. That can't be right, man. That can't be right. Yo, drug dealers got a better union. Like, niggas sit around

and say, yo, listen, stack up for your lawyer. Stack up for your bond. That's a better union than hip-hop. Real talk. Like, drunk people sit together and say, yo, listen,

you got to hire Bob Kalina. Bob Kalina's going to be $150,000. So you put $150,000 together for a lawyer that does, he's not from your community. He's not from your,

your, nothing. But we save that. Right. Hip hop, we don't save shit't save shit we sit around and say maybe you see the new watch that new Richard Milly look good I went too far no this is you but you right though you ain't go too far yeah right you think about this just some time think about Think about Like just think about it Um And so Every

Show show We take Thousand out Thousand out Thousand out Right And That's a billion dollars

Right there Melly Mel gets sick It's like a trust fund You know what I mean God forbid This never happens God forbid This never happens

But Melly Mel gets sick. Ray called me. I called Ray. I called Ghost. Ghost called EFN. EFN called Understanding. We all say, let's do something for Melly Mel. Nah, but see, the easiest thing.

Before we even do something. Let me show you something. It's already taken care of. Let me show you something. It's already taken care of. Let me show you something. The easy thing is it's already in the system. That's what I'm saying.

It's already in the system already. And it I'm saying. It's already in the system. And it can't be nobody calling nobody. Because we all men and everybody's a man and he has pride. No, it's dead. It should be a part of the system

where it's accessed automatically. Like God bless with Scarface recently. Scarface said right here. And Scarface said, he said, you know, my son is giving me a heart or kidney Whatever it was and I sat there. I was like great

beautiful But Scott face made too many albums for his son to be the victim This should have been somebody out there God bless me Understand you understand. I'm trying to say? I follow you. Like Scarface may marry, marry, marry, marry, marry. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. Somebody out there says, Scarface, here, take my kidney.

Give me your kidney. And there's supposed to be a union that funds this nigga. Right. Excuse me, that funds this person. Right. Says, you ready to go give Scarface a kidney? Yeah, sign this wager. Here goes your guap. Right. Excuse me That finds this person Right Says you ready To go give Scarface A kidney Yeah Sign this wager

Here goes your guap Right Let's go save Scarface That's right That's what I felt As much as I was honored That his son Stared here

And his son Said yo I'm giving my pops His kidney I said For all the sun That's beautiful That's automatic

That's beautiful One million percent But Scarface gave too much For this community Right For his son That's not even really part Of his community

To have to come in Right It should have been Some dude named Joe Corey Right Right From Nashville Yep

That said Ghetto boys changed my life Take my shit Mmhmm Cut his own kidney out Here y'all That's what I thought I'm sorry

I went too far Let's go I ain't going too far For real For real So I want to set up that union Set it up bro I actually

The first time I actually Kinda got through to anybody Was yesterday When I spoke to Kanye West And I said that shit And he was like what? Oh so you was talking about it? I just said

Cause fuck me Let's think about us One of the best things Puffy said to me one day He was trying to get us to sign He said cause I'm going from me to we And I said ooh that's hard Me to we Take it out.

Fuck me. Just think about we. Take the M, put it upside down, it becomes we. We. If we start thinking about we, we don't ever have to think about me again.

You know how many lives you say about doing all that you know me I'll be thinking that she should come to like an SSI check or something you know I mean or whatever the case may be because this your shit. Like he said, send you 20 years so now you might get one of these new niggas

that's fucked up in the game. Yep. But we didn't do nothing to stop that from these niggas. They could be your kids. Yep. You know what I mean?

They're stuck in the game like, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's right though. I'm gonna put you on that. We still gonna start the union. We still gonna do mean? Yeah, that's right, though. I'm going to put you on that. We still going to start the union. We still going to do it.

And the thing about it is I don't want to be in charge of the funds. I want to donate the funds. But I want a David Banner to step up. I want somebody that we trust. I want Farrakhan to step up, nigga. Yo, we got to do it like how they do it, like the government do it. You know what I mean? The same way.

Like the same shit. It's transparent. The account is transparent. Every time, yeah, I like that. Let's just sit there, bro. It's like, yo, oh, shit, son fucked up. He passed away. Anybody approve that shit?

Right. Yo, let it go. I'm going to approve it. You know what I mean? Approve. That's dope. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Approve it.

Yeah, there's got to be a commission for it. Yeah. Like tomorrow, I don't want to wish it on nobody. All right. Like. But tomorrow, something happened to somebody, and we sit down. God bless them. I'm just giving an example.

It's the first name that came to mind. You never know what's going to happen. You never know. Any day. Curtis Blow. Some shit happened to Curtis Blow. And now Curtis Blow sitting in the hospital saying, Thank you.

Hip-hop took care of me. Thank you. You saved my life again. He don't need gold. Two times. He don't need Ray. He don't need Nori. He don't need EFN.

He don't need Understand. He don't need Mr. Lee. He don't need RR. He need hip-hop. Because hip-hop is the o2 ultimate nationality right we're not really black we're not really white we're not really latino we hip-hop right and if hip-hop is that how many motherfuckers rhyming right now in the industry too many motherfuckers like Like, how many do you think? A million, two million? What do you think? I think 2.5 million.

A million. 2.5 million? I'm sorry. And that's how many motherfuckers you think is on right now? Like, that's the only thing? No, no. Who's on is 100,000.

100,000? Out of 2.5 million. 100,000 niggas is on. I'm trying to just see that, yo, safe safe words, 2.5 million. Like, we're motherfuckers.

And they want to get into the union, you know what I mean? They got to pay. They got to pay. It's like sad. You got to pay your dues. What if a motherfucker

paid a dollar every fucking month? That's it. A dollar every month, you got 2.5 motherfuckers there like that. And all you got to do is,

you know what I'm saying? It's an educational campaign. You got to educate the youth to say that's good for you in the future. If you got 2.5 a month, a dollar every fucking month, how much that go out to?

It's a lot. It's 12 months. Yeah. 12 months, that's a lot of brain. It. How much that go out to? It's a lot. 12 months. Yeah. 12 months, that's a lot of brain. Like what? Two, what's that?

Two, four, And let me just tell you something. Ghost, here's the crazy shit. As I spoke to all the higher ups, like black higher ups, hip hop higher ups,

they all would it. They just don't want to lead it. Because they know. Because that's the hardest part. Yeah, it's a trap. Yeah, they don't want to lead it.

It's a trap for them. I spoke to Jay, and I. Yeah, it's a trap. It's the hardest part. Like, I spoke to Jay, and I'm like, it's like, come on, look at me, look, and I'm Hakeem Green. That's my man. Just such a great guy. I'm so sorry to use you as an example, Hakeem. I just looked at your face.

But this motherfucker represented for the cannabis culture. What I do is smoke, man. There's no way Hockey and Green should ever, anything to ever come in his life. Right. And him have to go to his family. Right.

That's not his family. Right. He dedicated his life to this family. You dedicated your life to this family. Right. Like, the only, like I said, the only two other opposite. God bless the dead. Fife.

Fife. Right. You know what I mean? I feel like Fife could have been prevented. Right. Like, I remember I was sitting with him one time before he got his kidney. You know what I mean? He was a diabetic.

Shit had him fucked up. But then I heard his girl gave him her shit. He was a diabetic. You know what I mean? Yeah. But then I heard his girl gave him, you her shit he was a diabetic you know what I mean yeah but then I heard his girl gave him you know what I mean

her kidney and he was like back right but then I don't know what happened after that like did the kidney fail or whatever

whatever the case may be but it was like yo looking for these kidneys and things like you said yo the money's there yo you know how much a heart costs right

it costs $170,000, maybe $2,000, you know what I mean? Something like that. Kidney might cost somewhere around there and shit. But yo, listen, man. It's out there.

Right. It's out there. It's real talk. You know what I mean? But I got you, bro. Real talk. Because I want motherfuckers to know that

that's where my heart is. I kept continuing to progress. And I was like, you know what? What if I'm okay? Me being okay is not enough. My wife being okay is not enough. My kids being okay is not enough. I didn't sack them.

I didn't come home on Thanksgiving because of this culture. I didn't come home on Christmas. You know how many Christmases I missed? Because I had to fucking go out and perform and shake my fucking ass and, yo, what, what, what, what, what, what, what? Oh, boy. You do that? I missed every holiday there was because I was hot.

I had a manager called Chris Light just said, you might not be hot next year. That's right. Take everything. That's right. So every little crumb of the table, I smoked it, I ate it. I did it. But years later, I'm like, damn, did I only think about me?

That's right. I know how you feel. Like, there was people who came out at the same time with me as less fortunate. I'm sorry I'm long-winded. But I just want to be clear because I really sincerely believe in us taking care of us. Right. That's why I really love what Kanye was saying. And he did say some crazy shit.

Let's just be clear. But when he said, let's start owning stock, let's start owning whole communities where it's our community. So let's suppose

Ghostface has a community. You can actually kick motherfuckers out who ain't obliged with your shit. So the person say, man, I don't fuck with green.

Well, you can't leave the ghost face community. Just get the fuck out of here. It's legal. I'm sorry. I'm fucking thinking Kanye ass. Because he got me fucked up. But all I'm saying is we should take care of us. You know

I remember seeing Papa Woo I remember coming out of Sobe Live And we just coming out Me seeing Papa Woo Just standing there Talking to the young girls And I said

Papa Woo you aight But I immediately Had to take care of Papa Woo Immediately because of y'all As soon as I see Papa Woo I say y'all Peace soon as i see papa woo i say rest in peace peace of the god you understand god bless rest in peace but that was my first time actually thinking about that that's it's reparations reparations reparations

like you understand how hard it is to have your job how hard it is to have your job, how hard it is to have your job. You can't go nowhere, bro. Niggas gonna be like, yo, where you going? You gonna spray the scarf on his guard? Your Supreme Quarantine, Iron Man, gonna start asking you questions. You with your moms, you with your You with your daughter You with your son You can't tell these niggas fuck off He's telling you

Number 7 is ill You don't even remember number 7 Shit like that You sitting there like Word I remember number 7 You know you don't know what number 7 is And you sitting there just...

It's a hard job. Thank y'all for joining us. Let's take a picture. Drops and then we out of here. Slow. Slow. Just a picture. Drops and then we out of here.

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