Drink Champs - Episode 298 w/ Tha Alkaholiks

Episode Date: January 21, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary group, Tha Alkaholiks.Tash & DJ E-Swift of Tha Alkaholiks join us as they share their journey in hip-hop. Tha Liks share stories of being signed to the iconic Loud Records, convos w/ The Notorious B.I.G., lyricism and much more!Tha Alkaholiks are comprised of Tash, E-Swift and J-Ro. Shout out to J-Ro who didn't make it this go around.Lots of great stories that you don't want to miss!Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good, me? Hope it is what it should be. This your boy, N-O-R-E. What up? It's DJ E-F-N. And it's Drink Champs motherffucking Yappy Hour Make some noise

And right now When we talk about Legends of legends When we talk about You know Bar lords People who tested the time Who standed the test of the time

People who Were the first Kind of Drink Champs There wouldn't be no Drink Champs Potentially if there was no at the time. People who were the first kind of drink champs. There wouldn't be no drink champs, potentially, if there was no... Yes, yes. I took my crown. Right, right.

And they represented it. They held it down. And we are that version in podcasts. And we salute them. We respect them. We've been trying to get them for six years. It's a fan favorite. I'm going to phone call away.

Fan favorite. Been trying to get them for six years. They're like, how you going to be drink champs and not have the lips on? And we also were starving for all three, too. Yeah. We were starving. J-Ro was supposed to be here. OK.

Yeah. Supposed to be here. But bigger than J-Ro. He got hurt. He sent me to some hospital papers and shit. Oh, no. He sent me to a hospital. He got receipts. He got hurt He sent me to some Hospital papers and shit Oh He got receipts He got receipts Yeah

Yeah Shout out to J-Roll Shout out to J-Roll man You don't know what the fuck We talking about We don't know who the legends We're bigging up We don't know who the legends

That we're saluting And saying That We respect them We We idolize them And we did You know Show them We gotta show them, and we did, you know,

show them, we got to show them so much love. In case you don't know who the fuck we talking about, we talking about the one, the only, the motherfucking Alphys.

Oh! Did y'all officially change y'all name to the Licks at one point? Nah, we just shortened it. We never went... That wasn't a legal thing? No, it wasn't.

It felt like a legal thing. Nah, it felt like we dropped the album. Nah, nah, nah. shortened it. We never went with it. That wasn't a legal thing? No, it wasn't. It felt like a legal thing. Not at all. We dropped an album. Nah, nah, nah. Nah, nah. The album is the licks. One album. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So technically we did, and then people was like, that's some bullshit. So we changed it back to that. But it wasn't legally. No. Like, CoCo Brothers changed their name to Smith & Wesson. And Q-Strips did the abstract, like, vinyl releases and shit.

Nah, it was us trying some shit that didn't even really work in our favor. So we just kind of kept it moving. The reason we up. Nah, it was us trying some shit that didn't even really work in our favor, so we just kind of kept it moving. The reason we did that was, it was a point, like the reason why we, like people don't know, like we got booked for Soul Train once. This ain't the reason we changed our name,

but shit added up though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got booked for Soul Train, and we went out, like old Duddy said, then we bought nice shit, nice clothes, all this shit and everything. You didn't do the Soul Train line? No, we didn't do the Soul Train line.

We were trying to get on the Soul Train line? No, we didn't do the Soul Train line. We were trying to get on the Soul Train line and we got to the dresser. We got, you know, the longest line to be in front of Soul Train. We waving at motherfuckers, limo, all this shit.

We get in the dressing room about to go, like, they, you know, telling us 10 minutes and all this shit and everything. And all of a sudden, this lady knocks on the door and she was like,

alcoholics, let me talk to you real quick. We step outside. She said, Don Courtney's didn't know that we were called the alcoholics. And that was a problem. So he was like, we can't like, alcoholics, let me talk to you real quick. We step outside. She said, Don Cornelius didn't know that we were called the alcoholics. And that was a problem.

So he was like, we can't put no alcoholics on national TV. Clip, go home. They, they, they, they, they, it was tripping. Don Cornelius.

He used to play. Yeah, we played. I remember, I remember the time he played. Man, you know, you see Don Cornelius, you grew up with Soul Train, so you see him in person,

you're like, Don, my man, remember you went up to Don Cornelius and he was with Soul Train So you see him in person You're like Don my man Remember you went up To Don Cornelius And he was Oh yeah this nigga He was trying to He was trying to

He was black He wasn't black Back then I heard Nah nah He wasn't black Don't let the Afro Pull you bro I'm not talking about him

Cause he died But anyway God bless him God bless him But back then That's what we heard But things like that Like it started

Like we went to the We was on a tour With shout out Jerobe too I heard he out here too Yeah yeah We going to your spot after this but um yeah we was on the bible belt tour yeah we got they wouldn't let us perform on the bible but it was like new you know so nori has a different name for that that's you called the chitlin tour no the chitlin circuit that's a different thing The Chittis circuit No let's try No no In the Chittis circuit You're going through

The Bible Belt You said you're going Through the Bible Belt But the Chittis circuit Is Fuck it Damn Sorry

Fuck For lack of a better term Mississippi No The Chittis circuit Is The SOBs Not Sobeelah

That might But the SOBs Of the world Right Meaning SOBs is not A bad club Right It's not an upscale club S.O.B.'s Not So Be Live That might shit But the S.O.B.'s Of the world Right Meaning S.O.B.'s Is not a bad club Right It's not an upscale club

But it's a club Where people come When you own the come up Right Or when you have An established audience And you know you can Sell this out

Right That's what the Chittenden circuit is It's kind of like The bottom of the bottom That's what Chittenden's are That's why they call it The Chittenden circuit

Like we've been on The Chittenden circuit Oh yeah We did a Chittenden circuit Tour with Biggie It was awesome Yeah of the bottom. That's what Chippin' is all. That's where they call it the Chippin' circuit. Like, we've been on the Chippin' circuit. Oh, yeah. We did the Chippin' circuit tour with Biggie. It was awesome. That's some other shit. Yeah.

We gotta slow down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta talk about all this shit. Yeah, I like that. Okay, okay. We'll start there. Go ahead.

Yeah, yeah. No, we'll talk. I was on a tour with Biggie. This is when he was at my party and bullshit. Oh, this is right after that. This is when he's doing big. I mean, Puffy's on a tour

with him, too. And where are you guys at in your... Just the middle of the... I want to say it's the middle of the beef. I'm partying and bullshit Oh this is right after that This is when he's doing big I mean Puffy's on a tour With him too And where are you guys at In your Just the middle of I want to say It's the middle of the beef No This is

Where we at We're two albums deep This is whenever His first album dropped So we about two albums deep Yeah before the beef Before the beef And he was starting to pop

And he just reached out to us Like hey y'all come on tour With us So wait you're saying You guys had two albums So what Hip Hop Junkies was out hip-hop junkies was that was it? Second I would I think that yeah, I believe so Oh DB. What's the problem? But yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's a chilling circuits. All right, sometimes

I was like this to shout out to my homeboy KT KT The King T put y'all on? Yes. Okay. Can we describe that first? Can you remember the story you were about to say? Because people hate when I talk about war. I got you. I just want to establish

that real quick because, all right, King T to us on the East Coast was a king. We didn't travel to the, I mean, I'm trying to speak for New York

and for Miami. Right, right. By way of labor. King T, like too short, those was like guards for Miami. Right, right. But by way of a label. King T, like Too Short, those was like, those was like guards to us. Oh, yeah.

So a lot of people think, to us too. I'm just kidding. Y'all from the West Coast. But a lot of people think that East Coast didn't show love or didn't give it up to the West Coast. That's the point I was about to make.

And that's a lie. That's the point I was about to make. Okay. And Swift can sock me right now if I'm lying. No, no, please. Please don't bother. Biggie used to tell us daily that King T, I don't want to say I was about to make. Okay. And Swift could sock me right now if I'm lying. No, no, please. Okay, listen. Please don't bother.

Biggie used to tell us daily that King T, I don't want to say, is his favorite rapper, or he told us, if you listen to my album, listen to my album, and then listen to old King T's album. He said, you can't tell what I got my style from? Yeah, yeah. Wow. He said, that's my favorite rapper. Yeah, yeah. Him and Puff taught us that.

He said King T was the favorite rapper. He was on the tour bus every day. He's like, that's my favorite rapper. I hear him and Puff taught us that. He said King T was a very good rapper. On the tour bus every day. He's like, listen to my voice tone and listen to him. You can definitely hear West Coast influence with Biggie. Absolutely. Go back and listen to King T's Act of Fool album and just think Biggie in your head. And you're going to think they're the same person.

These words came out of my mouth. Voice, everything, cadence, everything. He gave him a lot of love, man. I bet y'all going so fast. I'm not going to be fine. No, Like, wow. Voice, everything, cadence, everything. Yeah, yeah. He gave him a lot of love, man. I've been y'all going so fast. I'm like, damn. No, no, no. I'm like, why would y'all? Don't worry about it.

I'm catching up. I'm catching up. No, no, I'm catching up. I'm catching up. I'm catching up. I'm catching up. We apologize. Shout out to Sean.

I just seen Sean talk about this motherfucker, man. Shout out to Sean, man. Yes, we have Sean. But let me ask y'all. Tupac. Yeah. Y'all got to meet the two different, y'all got to meet the three different versions. Tupac. Yeah. Y'all got to meet the two different, y'all got to meet the three different versions of Tupac.

Yeah. One is the digital underground Tupac. Man. I've never met him. I met him twice. That was my guy once. I met him with him. And at one time,

he was walking out of the, I mean, it was a studio session. You said you never really met him, is what you said. Except with him at the House of Blues one time. That was my guy. We slept five,

and then the other time, it was like he was drunk and mad about something. Yeah, yeah. It was just like a high vibe. I had a lot of that. We was walking by the thing, and I go to the booth. He was, I was like cussing somebody out. And when you say the booth, you're talking about studio.

Yeah, studio. Okay. And shit, and... What studio? You remember? I don't remember. It was like, he was cracking, though. It was like, I thought he would recognize me,

because I'm Taz, and I got the girls out and shit. No bueno. Oh my God, you're yelling at me. I'm walking this way I got the girls out and shit. No bueno. You know what I'm talking about? You're yelling and shit. I'm like, this is like... What pop is this? This is Defropop? It is.

Yeah, Defropop. He didn't recognize nobody at Defropop. But I remember he used to... Johnny J, he introduced me to the studio, Rest in Peace. And I want to say

he was this dude named T-Fly, but I can't remember. But anyway, Johnny J playing the beat. And there's no discus. I love Tupac's music and all that shit. Of course. I've never seen him. But he J playing the beat And there's no disrespect I love Tupac's music And all that shit But he was playing the beat

And I started freestyling To it and shit like that And first of all There's a whole bunch of niggas I don't know So I'm Were you in Tupac's session? Yeah

No it was Johnny J Johnny J the producer That did all that But I think Tupac might have Liked the beat That I was rapping on or something Because He came back in the studio

Walked right past me And he said Johnny J come in here, and he went into another room, and the mic is still on, you know what I'm saying? I could just hear the nigga, like, who is this motherfucker? How you got people in my studio?

You know what I'm saying? So that was the wrong time to sit down and kick it with Pac, but with that being said, I wasn't feeling it. It was a whole bunch of, you know what I mean? It wasn't good for me to be there at that time and shit. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, I made up excuses and shit. I said, I got to use the phone real quick. And I bonked out because it was one of them things like, kind of like the time in Miami when I was out here. You bringing up all the talk. I know I fucked up. I know I fucked up. I know I fucked up.

Just tell a story. I know I fucked up. You can't tell a story. Don't tell a story. Don't tell a story. I want to tell one person. And I know one person. You have to tell both versions.

The joke version and the couple versions I just know Norris version He told me when he was Overseas on tour Listen, listen I'm not fucked up though I could not let Anything happen to you

That's right Let me just tell you something I'm not fucked up Bottom line We'll get into it later Yeah, it was that bad Pacifics in particular You were just so drunk

And you was beeping With a guy That was a you was beeping with a guy. That was your manager? No, it was a guy named Chris Jones. Chris Jones, right-hand man, is Raul from Terror Squad. And they came up. I know Raul. Wait, wait. Yeah, and you was disrespectful, and you did not even know.

No, that's not what happened. That's not what happened. Okay. You got rid of him. Okay, listen. Listen. He is. You got rid of him.

Let's go. Let's go save him. Let's go save him. Maybe this is what listen. Listen. I get it. You wouldn't get the ticket. Let's go save it. Let's go save it. Maybe this is what if drunk was it. I wasn't there. Maybe, like you said, it's going so many times. It's wrong. Okay, so what you thought happened?

Okay, this is what I thought happened. You was in the studio session on one end of Hit Factory in Miami. It's actually Circle House. Okay, Circle House. My bad. Yeah. This was a sign that Dr. Dre Down the hallway at the time

Right So I'm here visiting him But he had like his mom And there was something Going on with his family And shit So we had no You know

I had just moved out here And shit Another drunk move He was living out here He was living out here Bad move For a second But it was

I came though But anyway But anyway He said I came But No wonder we were seeing him at Blackbird all the time. Oh, yeah?

Nigga, I was walking down the street today. They had stories. They was like, Tad, you move that time. I was like, ah, shit. All right, where was we? Okay.

I thought it was your manager. That's what he said to me. Okay. It's the white guy. You remember? It was the white guy. Yeah, but I thought it was your manager.

I don't know. I don't even think I talked to you yet or something like that. But he said something about Norrie and I said, oh, yeah, he's down the hall. Okay, cool.

But he had like a fresh ass car, like a Corvette, to you yet Or something like that But he said something about Nori And I said oh yeah He's down the hall Okay cool But he had like a Fresh ass car Like a Corvette Like a 72 Or something like that And I'm fucked I'm just alone I smoke cigarettes then You know what I'm saying

Still do But bad habit But I remember that The dude said Y'all do Y'all rock these in LA So whatever he said He told me I could sit.

He said, have a seat or something. It was like an old school classic car or something. And I had a cigarette, and I sat in the car with the cigarette, and he lost his mind. You know what I'm saying? Right. Get the fuck out of here. And all this shit.

And when somebody's yelling at you, your first reaction is to yell back. So we argue. Fuck you, fuck you. All down this hallway and shit. I was about to go with Mr. Lamont and me in this way, and I didn't really know who was in the studio with him. You know what I'm saying? So he's yelling and shit.

I know he's annoying and everything, but I said, let me just address it. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Let's get it cracking. We're going to get it cracking. I thought it was just him. You know what I'm saying? By himself.

So he go in his room and shit, and I went down there. I'm like, let me just see what's up and everything. And I busted the room Goons Everywhere nigga And he must have ran in Like hey this nigga Tripping and shit So when I walked in

It was like You know what I'm saying Like I realized Like that commercial Like that Where I go Wanna get away Or whatever

You know what I'm saying Whatever that commercial was Nigga Another time I had to get the fuck up By the day I looked at him, and he was looking like,

nigga, you fucked up. You know what I'm saying? And so I said, what's up, no idea. He was looking at me like, nah, don't give me that shit. You know what I'm saying? I said, look, I'm fucked up.

I'm going to go down here. And then I went down there, and I was like, nigga. I was like, I don't know what just happened. The first thing you said was correct until what you don't know was you came back.

I did. And then the beat started playing, and we sitting there. I think you said it was correct until what you don't know was you came back. I did. And then the beat started playing. And we're sitting there. I'm doing a record for Chris Jones. And then you just start rhyming on the beat. Oh, no. And your sister's coming to you.

Oh, no. You ain't got nothing to do with this shit. He's not going to do it. But this is my man. So I'm looking. Right, right. Now, he just called, Raul. He's not going to do it. But this is my man. So I'm looking. Right, right. Now, he just called, bro. Ooh, he called all the terrorist guard dudes. And I'm looking like, all right, chill.

This is no way this is happening. Oh, I felt that. I felt that. I cannot let nothing happen. I'm going to die for him tonight. I felt that. So, but then you left. Like you said, everything you just said, maybe that's when you left out.

Because when you left out. Bro, I know when I walked in, you looked at me like, nigga, you looked at me like, nigga, dog. I hugged you. I said, yo, please, are you okay? Because I was yelling all the way down the hall. I'm like, motherfucker, da-da-da-da-da. And you was like, yo, chill, I'm good, Nori.

So then, boom, let me just take it from there. And then the beat start coming on, and you sitting there in the corner, and you just chilling for a second. And everyone start writing their shit and you just say I'm looking for my side I was hungry man

I was hungry I was hungry that's why you don't drink anymore hey look man these are good stories this is a great story I think I'm gonna

have to go free I think I'm gonna have to go free I. I think I'm gonna have to apologize to you. I apologize. No, no, no. Everything's good. That's why we here. You ain't seen me crack that yet.

Like, this is all we go. Right. Half that shit will be gone by now. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? But I made a commitment to myself, my mom, my kids, my people who's here, everybody. I couldn't do it no more. You know what I'm saying?

But let's not rush. What made you guys come together as a group more. But let's not rush. What made you guys come together as a group and say, let's label ourselves alcoholics? Because you know what? Me and DJ EFN, it wasn't like... Because see, y'all had to live up to your name.

Me and DJ... Unless you tell me a story different. Me and DJ EFN had... Me and DJ EFN had, me and DJ EFN lived up to that name. That's how we got the name.

Okay. Is that similar to what you guys did? Yes, similar. Very, very, very similar story because we came up under King T.

Okay. Y'all weren't originally from Michigan? Nah. We were originally from Ohio. Ohio. But, you know,

that was earlier in the Bay Area. The group? Everybody? Nah. We were originally from Ohio But that was earlier Columbus and the house The group, everybody? Me and Tash are from Ohio originally J-Ro's from Pacoima in LA But I was King T's DJ Right after his first album dropped But separate from that

Him and J-Ro That's how from that, him and J-Ro, that's how I met King T, through J-Ro. Him and J-Ro and DJ Poo, they all had a group together back in the days. So. What was the name of that group?

Total Control. Yeah. Yeah, just, you know, Total Control. Sound like an old school. Yeah, yeah, legendary, yeah. So when J-Ro hooked me up with him, I was originally going on tour

with him cutting hair, the barber. You know what I'm saying? He had no idea. I like the line, you just named like three jobs you had. No, that's a good one. Tell him to stop. You were about to say a fourth job.

The real reason we here. And I did two of them. Yeah, I did it all, bro. I played my position. I played my position. I like that. But I was ready, you know. The real reason we here, though.

I was doing DJ battles and all that, you know what I'm saying? So I was ready, though. I was ready. I was doing DJ battles and all that. You know what I'm saying? So I was battle ready. You're not going to be E-Swift without being nice. Yeah, yeah. Who came first, E-Swift or Rob Swift? Probably me. Who told her?

Good question, though. You're on DJ shit. That's my guy, though. So whatever it is. Rob is nice. You got to tell that story for the fans. But how he got the job to DJ for King T, King T already had a DJ. Yeah, DJ Aladdin.

He went over DJ Aladdin. No joke. Which is a legend. No joke. Did you say DJ Poo? Yeah. I was staying with him. Friday?

Who wrote Friday? DJ Poo that one day with him and Uncle Rob and everything. Let's talk about that. When you took the DJ job. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. Basically, his DJ was DJ Aladdin. On the way back from a show,

DJ Aladdin gets in an accident, breaks both of his legs. Keep cool. No, he's a show DJ. You say Aladdin. You talk about DJ Aladdin. DJ Aladdin. The genie Aladdin.

No, Aladdin's a legend. Aladdin's a legend. He's like one of the best DJs out of L.A. So he couldn't go on tour. J-Ro was like, you know, E-Swift gets busy. He's like, of the best DJs out of L.A. So he couldn't go on tour. J-Ro was like, you know, E-Swift gets busy. He's like, oh, word. So he came over to my house. E-Swift the barber gets busy.

Yeah, yeah. I had no idea. And he makes beats. So it's like, oh, for real? So, you know, he came over to my house. And I was already practicing for a DJ battle. So I just went into my routine. I mean, I went all out.

I was rocked up bells. I was taking I went all out and I was wrapped up. I was taking my Adidas off, rock scratch with my nose, my tennis shoe. I'm like, I'm going to get this job. Showing up, he left out of there.

Boom, you're my DJ. So from that moment on, I just became King T's DJ. And then I started playing them beats. He was like,

oh shit. Then he took me to DJ Pool who showed me the ropes in the studio. Because I was a bedroom DJ, battle DJ, house party DJ. I was making beats with my headphones, you know what I'm saying?

Is that bedroom DJ? Yeah, man. What does that mean? I mean, DJ in your bedroom. I was a bedroom DJ too. You got your turntables in your bedroom. Yeah. I'll tell you what it's like.

I thought that meant you DJ'd me a girl. You practice in your bedroom. I'll be sure. I'll be sure. I did that too. You let it take you somewhere else. I'm sorry. I'll be sure. I'll be sure. I'll be sure. I did that too. You let it take you somewhere else. I'm sorry.

I don't know. No, no. A bedroom DJ is you wake up in your bedroom. You wake up in the morning. Your turntable's sitting right there. They right there on the couch. You roll out of bed and you get up there and you start getting it in. You never what?

I guess I'm a bedroom. I'm a star calling motherfuckers bedroom DJ. Yeah, there is. Bedroom is a lot of bedroom DJs. That's where all DJs start. Yeah. That's actually a compliment, because that means there's like a real DJ.

Like me and your boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so let's stay focused. Name alcoholics. How did we get there? Was you guys drinking Old English? Oh, hold up, hold up, hold up. I brought something just to memorialize.

Oh, yeah! You're gonna take a boner Yeah I knew you were better I knew you were better Oh shit Okay It goes together There you go

No but the name King T Once again We were known for drinking Don't get it twisted We were drunks Let's be clear Y'all were alcoholics

Before y'all were called Alcoholics Precisely But King T came up With the name He did Me and J-Roy Was sitting at King T's house

He had an idea To have a group Called Alcoholics It was going to be him Myself J-Roy And we needed Another member

Which was obviously Tash He was the illest nigga That was around us Like rap rock He was definitely The around us. The illest nigga. But he was in Ohio, caught up in some bullshit. So I was like, we gotta put Tash in the group.

And I was like, y'all know what's gonna happen when we put Tash in the group, right? Why does that? What is that for? Why does he say? It was like, ooh, we got every, because we,

because Tass is out of control. I ain't saying that. At the time. At the time, he's out of control. At the time, he wasn't out of control like that.

He had a strong personality. He was a catastrophe, right? Like my friend Tragedy lived up to being a tragedy. Yeah. But he was, there was no,

there was no, there was no close second. You know what I'm saying? So, boom. That's the alcoholics. You know what I'm saying? But at that time, we was really drinking a lot.

Like, we was doing all the, I don't know if y'all are familiar with the St. Ives commercials. Of course. Absolutely. We had the contract. I need to ask a personal question. Yeah.

Was y'all doing Jägermeister? Jägermeister. We was drinking Jägermeister, but we was getting paid by St. Ives. You know what I'm saying? So, every month. Y'all did a commercial,? Jagermeister. We was drinking Jagermeister, but we was getting paid by St. Ives. You know what I'm saying? So every month... Y'all did a commercial too?

We did all of them. I was producing the commercial with me, DJ Pooh. They had the Biggie, the Snoop one. Biggie, Snoop, Nah, we was doing

the Zabahalas. No, I know, but during that time frame. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we had the contract with St. Ives, and we was doing all of them, and they would pay us for them,

but also every month, a fucking semi-truck would pull up to my crib and just wheel in cases of 40 ounces. Oh, that doesn't help for anything. Didn't help at all. So you would walk in my house, and you would just see cases of 40 ounces. The whole wall just fucking filled up.

So let me ask you, is there a difference between OE and St. Ives? Are they both malt liquor? They're both malt liquors. It's the same type of malt? The both cities. St. Ives was trying to do this. Yeah. Right. They were first. What is malt liquor? They're both malt liquors. It's the same type of malt liquor. They're both city. Ah, it's taste. What is malt liquor? St. Ives was trying to do this.

Yeah. Right. They were first. What is malt liquor? I just thought it was the bottom of the barrel. The devil's truth is shit. It's definitely not good for any of us. It's not good.

It's the bottom of the shit. They make the beer. It's bullshit. It's the chill of the beer. Yeah. It's the chill of the beer. It's the chill of the beer. It's the chill of the beer.

It's the chill of the beer. You know what we used to do? You know, Guinness out. You know, the Guinness out bottles like that. The gold one. We used to have a shit. I mean, green one. When we first started out. No, no, Guinness Stout, you know, the Guinness Stout bottles like that? The gold one. We used to have a shit. Green one. When we first started out.

No, no, Guinness Stout is, I'm sorry, it's brown. I'm thinking about private stock. Yeah, you know, I'm fucked up. Okay, go ahead. Drink champ. But we used to take the Guinness Stout bottles and we'd drink, like our whole crew would drink half of it down. Then we'd pour the Guinness Stout in it. And the whole shit would turn black.

And we called it black a wall But we say like 10 times on the album We said we had this thing where every when we was in the studio everything we would drink All the empty bottles we throwing in this closet and by the time our session was over that shit now You would open open that by time we finished this album you would open that closet door I'm talking about a deep closet fucking bottles would just come pouring out you know I'm saying and we were like oh shit we really alcoholics but I could tell right rhymes we didn't write nothing there was a freestyle Freestyle? Nah, nah. How was you... You know what's crazy?

That's what people trip off. All MCs is different and shit, but I never wrote to a beat. You had it written, and then you just put it on to a beat. I go to the car. You know how there's sessions where they play the beat,

and you got eight MCs just letting the beat go over. I got a short attention span, so I've never done it like that. I always write my lyrics acapella, and then... And then you adapted it to the beat. If I say it to the shit, it don't fit. If I say it like that i always write my lyrics like acapella and then and then you adapted it to me if i say it through the shit i don't fit if i said that i wouldn't fit i might have to take a line or two out but everything acapella yeah yeah everything wow

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All right, we'll go to Pharrell and then we'll go backwards again. You want to go back to the first album? No, the first album. Let's go back to the first album. Okay, let's go.

Like, tell us the makings of the album. This is Loud? This is Loud. Yeah, Loud. And this is the beginning of Loud. We're listening to this. Nobody knew what Loud was going to be.

There's no Wu-Tang. No. Not yet. No. This exhibit? No. There's no Wu-Tang. No. Not yet. No. This exhibit? No. No, not yet. There's no exhibit?

No, you guys first, then exhibit. It's us. You're the first Loud side. But realistically, though, we're not the first Loud side. Twister was on Loud before us, and there was this group called Madcap. I remember Madcap. Remember Madcap. From the West Coast as well.

Yeah, from the West Coast as well. That's how we got. I mean, Coke, he doing big things right now. Steve Griffin got hair at this time. Steve Griffin had, yeah. That's a great now. Steve Griffin got hair at this time. Steve Griffin had, yeah. That's a great time stamp. He has hair at this time. Yeah, so this is early Steve.

So how did Steve discover you guys? This guy named Fade, Fabian Duvernay, he took our demo. And from there, it was like, it kind of moved fast after that. Because we had most of the stuff on our first album we had kind of done in the demo phases you know i'm saying but um we went back in and touched some stuff up but what happened was we had got a um a demo deal back in the days you remember the demo to give you a little money to go in the studio and see what you got right and this is the label labels had money.

Yeah, this is where A&M Records. And we went there. They gave us a couple days in the studio, and we came out with like 20 songs in like three days. So once that didn't work out, we had that demo tape to shop around. So we went to Loud Records and played it. And what was on that demo? Any other labels? Make what was on that demo any other make room was on that demo yeah the dude fade i remember distinctly too we had a demo floating around and madcap had a studio session and fade was in there and fade work was

made no madcap that was the first one loud okay Loud They had a studio session Somewhere in LA And we went to it And I remember We played the demo For Faye At the studio And he was like Steve Rifkin Gotta hear this shit man

Y'all niggas on one right now Was Steve on the west coast At this time Yeah Oh he wasn't on the east coast He had an office With one cubicle Yeah

One You know what I'm saying And it evolved from that In the west coast Yeah But I think he had an office Did he have an office In New York I don't think not yet We used to go up there Every day dude Just like cubicle. Yeah. One. You know what I'm saying? And it evolved from that to where it's now. In the West Coast. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I think you had an office there. In New York?

I don't think not yet. We used to go up there every day, though, just like partying and shit. What year is this, though, when the demo was being shot? 92. Wow.

And this is like the heyday, like this is the beginning of the classic like L.A. underground era. Yeah. This is like right at the cusp of where all that, like, where you was catching glimpses of underground L.A. hip-hop, and it wasn't, like, the G-Funk stuff that was more mainstream.

We had, you know, it was groups like the Black Eyed Peas and stuff coming from the underground. Before they had Fergie. Yeah, before all that, like, they was super hip-hop heads. Far Side and all them was bubbling on the underground. There was the whole Good Life movement and all that stuff. And then once you guys got on, Liquid Crew was diving people. Yeah, once we got on, we kind of...

The Far Eye and... Well, what happened with us, though, man, is when we started doing our live shows, we was bringing all the chicks was coming out to see us. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, light skin. Right, because we was light skin. Yes, that's exactly why. He's not right. Light skin love, all my light skin brothers out to see us. You know I'm saying Oh shit we can do this hip-hop with the with the women coming out was like yeah, and it was like, Drake is a group. There you go. You said Drake as a group? You said Drake as a group.

I killed that. I killed that. You had an announcement? What's your announcement? I'll announce it later. No, that was real shit. But, yeah, we kind of made our own lane.

You know what I'm saying? We wasn't really, like, doing the whole good life thing. But, you know, we was kind of doing our own shit. And then, I don't know, man. It just took off from there. Did y'all think

because, I mean, y'all could really, really help us with this argument because a lot of people assume or they think that because the East Coast, or rather New York at the time, was very essential to

what was going on, that New York didn the time was very essential to what was going on that New York didn't show love. Okay. I know that for y'all to be something totally different. 100%. But I don't know that

to be a fact. I know from what I heard, you know, people, I love the licks, you know what I'm saying? Things like that. But I don't know y'all personal story.

Right. At that time, New York was running the thing. Did y'all ever, this is a two-part question. One, did y'all ever perform in the tunnel? Yes. And then two? No, we didn't perform, but we was in that motherfucker. We did with Zippy.

Okay, so you didn't perform. Nah. We was in that motherfucker. Every Sunday? Every Sunday, yeah. Every Sunday. I was scared as a bear. The bathroom was scared of me by that. The bathroom with the chicks in it. It by that Is the bathroom With the chicks in it It's unisex bathroom Yeah but it was like

I don't know It was weird to me It's weird to me That's what I'm scared of I'm scared of it I used to go there Every Sunday Wow

And did you Did you feel New York love All day Like we spent A lot of time in New York Especially me Like I was mastering

And mixing a lot Of my album in New York And I would be out Where was that Chum King Oh man where was me. Like, I was mastering and mixing a lot of my album in New York. Where was that? Chum King? Oh, man. Where was I? I was everywhere. I was at Sony Studios.

I did a lot of shit at D&D when I was doing some other stuff with getting to that. You mixed in D&D? Don't mix in D&D. No, I didn't mix in D&D. I did some track in there.

Just some track and shit. No, I know. I recorded a bunch of shit. There's a lot of raps in there. I was in Chum King. God bless me. I'm sorry. Duck down.

It was to the point where when our music started getting out there, people didn't really realize, just based off the sound of the music, that we was from the West Coast. They thought we was from New York somewhere. They just couldn't figure out where we got that music from. Right. They just couldn't figure out what part. You know what I mean?

Like, what borough y'all in? I'm like, we on the West Coast. It's because y'all was super lyrical, and at that time, we didn't really understand. No, I think it was an error of it, though, that you had Cypress 2. Cypress did their video, their first video in Harlem. Yeah, yeah.

So it was different from them. Cypress, it wasn't like we assumed. Motherfucker, the first shot we saw was in Harlem. Yeah, actually, our second video. That is their assumption. Our second video that is there something I said our second video Look if you see my first video in it's losses Real estate, huh, which video you saying for Cyprus with the first video was real estate. I think Killer Man. I seen Killer Man. I think it's Killer Man.

Yeah, yeah. We had the bug out. We had the bug out. I didn't see that. I didn't see that. What hit Video Music Box was Killer Man and they was in New York.

Right, right, right. So there was no way that I, first of all. But if you're listening to the lyrics, you know they not from New York. But I didn't.

I didn't. Okay. That's your problem. And two, I never even knew what a Mexican was. And they Cuban. Cuban Mexican.

Well, I only identify with Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. So if you wasn't Puerto Rican, Dominican, or if you was Latino, period, I put you in that category and I'm Latino. So when I looked at Cypress Hills, I automatically said, oh, that's the Puerto Ricans from home. I never identified with them. I never heard that, you know, when I supported Wiggins from Hall, I never identified with them. I never heard that, you know, when they were saying... So you're just not listening

to any of the lyrics and you're just like, fuck it. I don't know what East Los means. The fuck? I just found out that last year.

But then we were in Los Angeles. We really were in Los Angeles. East Los Angeles? God bless me. Don't mind our arguments that we have. No, no, no.

What I was about to say is... This is normal. We do this all the time. But really, about to say is we're doing this on time. But really, we're really, we'll throw some confusion in the mix of us being from the West Coast.

Our second video was the song Liquid and Only When I'm Drunk. Ralph McDaniels directed that shit and we filmed that shit in Brooklyn. Yeah, we said, yeah,

that's right. Okay, wait, really quick. I just want to say something. I just want to make a statement. I want to know this. Hold on to the statement. This is the thing this is the problem That whenever something is lyrical

It has to automatically be assumed It's New York and that's the problem here That's the problem we're having here That's the argument we always have If something's lyrical Oh it's got to be confusing with New York We're good That's the thing that I've always argued.

Because from Miami, I was always arguing and advocating lyricists as well. You know, if you have certain lyrical, then oh, no, no, it's East Coast, it's New York style. Nah, nah, we talking Miami shit. But what is lyrical though? Is it what you're talking about? Oh, you know what lyrical is.

No, no, no, it's wordplay. It's wordplay. People say I'm lyrical all the time. You are lyrical. Think about it. I'm just rapping about beer and partying and shit. Yeah, but if this how you rap about it. That's how you rap about it.

It's a motherfucker. It's lyrical. OK. It's not the subject. It's the way. It's the way you rap. You're not just saying, my leg, I beg. You know what I'm saying?

Hey, look what you just put on my lap. Can I light this up? Light it up. We got to get to the point. Please, light it up. All right. All right. All right. Here we go. I'm going saying my leg, I beg. You know what I'm saying? I'm not doing that. I like this up. Light it up. We got to get to the point. Please, light it up. You don't need to prevent something. You don't need to prevent something. Holy shit.

This is the new tap. Like, for real, it was years I couldn't get this motherfucker to smoke weed for shit. Oh, he couldn't get me to drink beer for shit. And then when he started, like, smoking weed, I was like, that's where we go. I was right there. He's like, ah. So what was, you know, being that we on drink chat, what was the moment where you said, you know what,

I'm going to slow down on drinking? I mean, like, I don't think it was one moment. I think it was more like an accumulation of a whole bunch of moments. Good, bad, ugly, everything. I don't know. Don't let me. But, like, I just felt like Well a big part of it

I met a girl Right And sometimes You know they say You got spiritual I mean what's it called Partner Life partner

Whatever I forgot what it's called Soulmate Yeah So I met this girl Named Michelle and everything And you know When I realized that

That um I was fucking up a lot You know what I'm saying And in fucking up It's gonna be people It's gonna be people around you That tell you Look dude you fucking up a lot, you know what I'm saying? And in fucking up, it's going to be people around you that tell you, look, dude, you fucking up. Or it's going to be people

that encourage you to fuck up more so they look better. So I realized like a whole, like first of all, I partied for like, I mean, this is realistic. I partied for like

12 years straight, you know what I'm saying? Every day, nonstop, a fifth a day, party, studio, back to the thing, see my kids, go over here, da, da, da, and back to the party. You know, every day I was waking up not a day Party, studio Back to the thing See my kids Go over here

And back to the party You know every day I was waking up Not serious about shit You know So basically The sweetheart lady She basically

Just pulled me to the side And said you better than that You know what I'm saying And she just You know Started off being my friend And everything But then I realized

That you need more people Like that You know what I'm saying Like I never thought about A relationship or marriage You know I mean I don't want to Point it to you and say You know how we do You know what I'm saying? Like, I never thought about a relationship or marriage. You know, I mean, I don't want to point at you and say, you know how we do it. But, yeah, don't do that.

Okay, well, I'll put it over there. But, you know, there's probably some married people in the crowd right here. But they'll tell you that. None of these is married. None of these is married. None of these is married. None of these are players. Okay.

They're all players. But, anyway, I'm just saying. That's what really did it. When somebody from the outside that love you more than you love yourself. And she became your wife? Nah, but, you know, we literally. You know what I'm saying? That's my really did it when somebody from the outside that love you more than you love yourself tells you. And she became your wife? Nah, but, you know, you know what I'm saying?

That's my girl and shit. Michelle, shout out Michelle. But I'm trying to figure out what's on it. You got the keef on here? Yeah, we got the keef. We got the hash in there. It's that smoke change.

It's every time I turn the second way into the smoke. Right, right. Okay, I just need the smoke change. Okay, yeah. No, but I'm just saying that,

like, basically, like, there's people out there that's going to see this shit, too, with a problem. You know what I'm saying? So if you see this problem in advance, it's a better thing than, you know, you could die from liver cancer

or something if you... Right, so... But this thing, like, think of... Like, you know, I remember from Red, when they came out, they smoked weed, and they let people know Cypress Hill, all the groups that,

you know, that's what they like. That was their thing. What's the first thing you want to do when you see them backstage at the crowd, over here,

you want to smoke with them. So, we got signed pretty much a couple years after high school, you know what I'm saying? We turned 21, we was already rapping,

you know, we got the first album out, we doing our thing. Everybody we encountered, it was a routine. They want to buy you a drink, drink it with you, and take a picture. You know what I'm doing our thing, everybody we encountered, it was a routine. They want to buy you a drink, drink it with you, and take a picture.

You know what I'm saying? So, after the, Were they taking pictures of Instagrams back then? Nah, they used to do the click, click,

the, you know, the photo lab. The photo lab. The photo lab. The photo lab. Yeah, the photo lab.

The cinematic shit. All the niggas had the real Kodak lens back then. Yeah, they had the real shit. It looked like Lenny S. out there. Make a long story short,

short story long, whatever. You know, a lot of people came to me and they pulled me to the side a lot and they was like,

dude, just like, you know, that story that me and you just told and shit, I could have died that night.

You know what I'm saying? I remember how the thing was looking at me. But what I mean is if I could tell, I don't knock people for drinking and shit. I've been here for years

and see, I'll do your thing. I'm surprised. Listen, man, this shit is a poison. No, listen, listen. Y'all drink. Everybody listen and do what you want to,

but if you see it's a problem, first thing you got to do is embrace the problem. You know what I'm saying? Once you embrace it, then you fix it. Like, J-Roll's not here right now, but all the talking and complaining about it is not going to bring you here, so we got to make the best of it.

I hope we get better soon. You know what I'm saying? But that's what I did. I said, you know what? I checked myself into this home it's like a program it's not like a rehab when you go for you know you stay there for a month or whatever it's like I just made a dedication type it was it a valuable I'm a queer, but I live in Vegas now. You live in Vegas? Yeah. Only y'all live in Flaming Vegas? Yeah, I seen Flaming all the time.

It's a lie. You look healthy as fuck, Chaz, by the way. I must have been looked fucked up before, because everybody say that, man. That's what I mean by niggas, they tell you. No, no, we was telling you. You ain't remember. We was telling you, trust me. How. No, no, we was telling him.

Trust me. How do you get us over in the most drunkest place in the world? In Vegas? Stay in the house. Yes. Oh, good.

I mean, Vegas don't even have a curtain. You know how like, you know how some people with shit, like you overdo something to stop, like, to break the habit

or something? You know what I mean? No. Like some people, okay, look. You hit rock bottom, bro. Let's just say that. Did you?

Yeah. You hit rock bottom. But see, it's different. You know how people hit rock bottom, they go broke, they do this. No, Like, somebody, okay, look. You hit rock bottom, bro. Let's just say that. Did you hit rock bottom? Yeah, but see, it was different. You know how people hit rock bottom, they go broke, they do this. No, no, no, no, but spiritually, you probably hit rock bottom. I just know I was better than that,

and just, you know, I lost interest in the music for a minute. It was like, it was a lot of bullshit coming out, and I was thinking, this might not be my lane, you know what I'm saying? So I started doing other stuff, and I didn't realize that I love hip-hop so much.

Like, fuck what everybody else is doing, just come back to this. So I took a hiatus, you know what I that I love hip-hop so much like fuck what everybody else doing just come back Did it so I took a hiatus, you know saying so really the quarantine and all this shit was me Just you know better myself. This is after you guys didn't lick nuts. This thing is after that now now Yeah, that's probably. Beat nuts. Beat nuts. Yeah. Beat nuts are very good. And I'm going to tell you, the last time I drank. After you licked some nuts, you stopped drinking? No, no, no. See, that's. It sounded terrible.

It sounded terrible. I caught the tail end of that. I don't even want to hear that shit. That was the lick. Lick nuts is the group with the alcohol. Yeah, with the beat nuts and alcohol. Let's be clear. It's a great group.

I think you was there, but the last time I drunk. Because that's what I used to do. Like, if you picture, like, ODB going on stage, drunk and shit. Yeah. Like, the whole thing was that. I was having. Like, I don't regret none of I drunk Cause that's what I used to do Like if you picture Like ODB going on stage Drunk and shit Like the whole thing was that I was having Like I don't regret None of that shit

You know what I'm saying It taught me I do regret it I take it back I regret certain things But I had the best time Of my life man I traveled the world

Absolutely Fucked up And you're still standing You came out You know I got sick in the body And all that shit But what I was saying

Was that when you Commit yourself To bettering yourself, then when you stop, you start seeing all these beautiful things start to pop at your doorstep. You know what I'm saying? I manage it. This is my clothes company on my back. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to tell somebody this.

You went vegan too or no? Nah, hell no. I just fucked up. He said, hell no. He said, hell no, hell no. Nah, I eat all kinds. That's a little gift for them. Oh, that's hard. That's for y'all too. You got. It's a little gift for them. Oh, that's hard.

It's for y'all too. You got the fat shoelaces in the front there. Yeah, that's two heads. Okay, that's fine. That makes it a drink table. Look, look, look. What's up? What's up?

What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud?

What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? What's up, bud? really proud of you, bro. Aw, look at the center. One, two, three. Aw! Yo, man. No, I'm real about that. But it was hella,

it was hella, it was a beautiful, it was a great feeling to shake that monkey off your back because now I got an album dedicated. I mean, it's still the same party down

Tash and everything, but I'm still talking about drinking and shit like party down Tash and everything, but I'm still talking about drinking and shit like that, but not me drinking, but I'm a professional bartender now. Really? No, I'm fucking with you. I thought we all were. Yeah. I can't get this motherfucker lit, but

back to the thing, I encourage anybody that knows that they fucking up, you know what I'm saying, to address the problem and get it early. Correct, right. Because it took me 12 years to address it. I remember I bought the crib out here and shit. I just had some money and shot up.

I went and visited Miami. I liked it. Put out $12,000. Boom, let me get that. You know what I'm saying? Moved into North Bay Village over here and shit. So how hard is it, right, after you realize you want to be sober

and you're still hanging out with a group called the Alcoholics? Because there'll be times... Not hanging out. You are the group, Alcoholics. I mean, there'll be times where I... Like, I just did 17 days straight. Oh, you did? No drinking. Dang, you did 17 days?

Yeah, I did. Clap for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's back to drinking. Yeah, yeah. Since Kanye. You want a couple days? Oh, no shit. Yeah, since Kanye, I didn't drink. I didn to drinking. Yeah, yeah. Since Kanye. You want to count the days? Oh, no shit. Yeah, since Kanye.

I didn't drink. I didn't drink. That was a good-ass interview, too, because I didn't understand Kanye until I saw that interview. Oh, thank you. A lot of people say that. A lot of people said I made him cool again.

Thank you, sir. That's exactly what you did. That's exactly what you did. I just did so. But at times when I used to want to do that, and I used to go to a club called Sobe Live. Right. And I used to hang with my friends that was drinking,

and I couldn't stand these motherfuckers. Were you sober? When I was sober, yeah. I get that. When I would come around, these motherfuckers would be drinking. The EFM would be there at 9 o'clock with 17 bottles of water that's not water.

Right. Yeah, we would put them up in the water. Yeah, that was my get-out. He'll be there at 9 o'clock. That's another thing, too. By the time we get there. We were working, bro Yeah He'll be there At nine o'clock That's another thing too By the time we get there We were working bro We were not there

At nine o'clock He's the earliest guy In the club We was a part of the promotion He's the earliest guy In the club And we would be there And

At one point I had to learn How to readapt myself Exactly So at first I used to be uncomfortable Like I mean just not I'm playing around

When I'm saying them But in general When I would do these 30 days spritz or whatever, and I'd come around certain people, I would be uncomfortable. And not only that, I would judge people. I would be like, does he know me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This shit is just like a little bit of spit is just hanging right there. You would say this about people?

I would say it about you, too. Yes, sir. My man. And Boris and would say it about you too. Yes, sir. My man. And Boris and Eddie and all of you guys. I'm saying, when I would go through my sober spirit.

Right. But what I'm trying to say is I had to learn how to readapt myself. I had to learn how to say because they're having fun and I'm not having... I'm still having fun.

I'm smoking weed. I'm dancing to the music. But I'm not having the type of fun they are because drinking just makes you have a little bit more they are Because drinking Just makes you have A lot of fun Hell yeah

It just really Just makes you So how did you adapt to that And still be a part of This group Well the last time How long you been sober I've been

A year Okay The last time I rapped On stage drunk Believe it or not Was at the Loud Records thing The reunion The reunion

And I remember That was my darkest moment. How long ago was that? That's a year and a half ago. A year and a half. I'm supposed to be there. For the punch review. That was my first argument me and Fat Joe ever had in life.

I did admit it. I had it so bad that when I was standing there I wanted to cry. You know what I'm saying? When you were standing on stage? On stage. Because first of all, I was mad at first because when to cry. You know what I'm saying? When you were standing on stage? On stage. Okay. Because first of all, the motherfuckers, I was mad at first because the motherfuckers, when we went on, we went on a little earlier shit,

and people were still walking in. Okay. So I went into this hissing shit. Oh, so you was pissing. Yeah, because the lights were still on. Right, for being put on earlier. But I'm drunked up, though, so I'm cussing everybody. I'm like, turn the motherfucking lights off.

I'm going to do all this crazy shit. We the first loud group. This is what you got to be feeling in your heart. Right. Then we went on first. Like, we was the first loud group. It was that. So I think it was the first one. But whatever.

It wasn't the first, but we was. I don't know who went on, but the whole thing is, I'm looking for the light, man, I'm doing this, I'm drunk as hell, and not knowing that I'm outside looking for the light, man, they like, yo, Taz, Swift already started the intro, you on and shit like that. And I remember running to the stage and shit like that,

and when I ran on the stage and everything, I looked, and when I looked up, I realized we was the first group and the lights was on, it And when I ran on the stage and everything, I looked. And when I looked up, I realized we were the first group and the lights was on and it was barely, you know, starting and everything.

And I thought in my head, I was like, nigga, if you didn't drink, nigga, you'd be headlining this motherfucker. You know what I'm saying?

And it just made me think, you're at the bottom of the, you're opening this motherfucker because you ain't cut. You know what I'm saying? And I, I don't know, I just,

the next day after that, we went home back to LA and everything and I just, I just, I said, the next day after that, we went home back to L.A. and everything, and I just, I said, that's the last time I'm going to feel like that, you know? Right. I was pissed off like a motherfucker. I was like, dude, you, but if you look at the show, I'm pretty much standing still the whole time, and everything, there's lights on my face and everything,

but I was having emotional shit going through my head while I'm rapping, you know what I'm saying? You know why you will always be above alcohol? You will always beat it? What? It's because it's always somebody who tells you to stop. Right. When you stop on your own, that means you have 100% pure control.

I'm not trying to, like, gas you or something like that. But, you know, I've been in AA. I've been in NA. When I got locked up. You have been in AA? Yes. Yeah, when I got locked up. You just not knowing that? I was in there with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I've been in AA. I've been in NA. When I got locked up. You have been in AA? Yes. Yeah, when I got locked up. You just not knowing that?

I was in there with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say, God damn. When I got locked up, I had two assault. I had a tip murder and two assault charges. Wow. But I also had drug charges. So my lawyer told me to cop out to the drug charges,

not knowing that when I got upstate, I was copping out to drug charges saying i'm using the drug oh wow so i went to the state yeah i went to the state yeah and they had to do all that shit and what i notice is when it's always that's why he said rock bottom if you notice that he said he said you hit rock bottom because that's what they say most people and rock bottom is never used you recognize it right it's always somebody saying to you, yo, bro. Yeah, you done.

You slept in Arby's. Right, right. In a pool of your own throw up. Right. See, my shit was never like that. My shit was never like that. See, that's what I'm trying to say. You have control.

The whole fucked up part is that I was living this rap life shit. Right. Way, you know what I mean? No pun intended to your song. I made a moment. I had to turn the headphones. The whole shit was that

I had money and that's what fucked it up kind of, you know what I'm saying? Because I go do two shows a week, I mean two shows a month and get some cool bread, pay my rent

and then the rest is just party money. You know what I'm saying? Of course the kids, you know what I'm saying? But the rest was just, you know, like if we want to go out of town,

we go out of town for, we said we'd go for a day or two. I don't know, I'll just jump on the plane and go. Anywhere we went, he never came back when he was close to me. I'll be like two weeks, for We say we go for a day or two I'll just jump on the plane And go Anywhere we went He never came back When he was close to me

You know what I'm saying You know what I'm saying Just drunken binges Of making music and shit Like And nobody stop me You know what I'm saying Have you ever

One of my best Sorry to just bring this But I've got to ask you Okay One of my best drinking partners Right One of my worst drinking partners Because when. One of my worst drinking partners. Because when I realize what we do, it's horrible.

It's corrupt. Corrupt. Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right. That's not a drinker, buddy. That's not. That's right. And he lives in Vegas, too.

Yeah. He lives in Vegas, too. Yeah. I'm so sorry. But one day, I was hungover corrupt for like three or four days, and I realized I never had a moment sober. Yeah. Like, I was hungry with Karam For like three or four days And I realized I never had a moment sober Yeah

Like I was just He's still drinking like that? I don't know Nah he better come with me I think I think I think he Because he's on Marist Bootcamp He saw himself on Marist Bootcamp

I think he straightened up a little Nah he looked good I seen it People got in his ear too You know what I'm saying Yeah you did too I'm talking about I'm saying the influence on you We need. You was a big influence on him.

We need y'all legends around a little longer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. Put me on to the parts of the conversation you feel comfortable with. Go ahead. Your conversation will come up. And about. I mean.

To the parts you feel comfortable with. We homies and shit like that. I just basically, I told him that. And really, it was more people there that needed to hear it too. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like a one-on-one per se. But it was a couple of us that I. Because they trip off that I don't drink no more I used to be the buyer, supplier, the drinker

I come in, I walk in, they know I got it in the car Or I got it over here And this and that It just got to be a lifestyle If a person is a real alcoholic It's like You drink so much on the normal That when you're not drinking, you don't feel normal. It feels abnormal.

Right. I come in late. You know, just like the bass heads and shit, they want that high and all that shit. It was like so normal to me that I didn't realize how odd I was acting until he come tell me some shit like, there you tripping there. You know what I mean? Alcohol is a little rougher than any other drug Because Suppose you're addicted to heroin There's places on earth

That don't have heroin Right You're addicted to crack There's places on earth That don't have crack You're addicted to cocaine There's places on earth Alcohol is everything

Right It's not as accepted Where alcohol is more accepted And that's the crazier part That's true Right That is true And the whole thing

It's like Like alcohol And shit like that. That's me drinking alcohol. Right. Right, right. Yo, fuck alcohol. But the whole thing is that you got to get out your system,

like physically out your system. Because I went to places and shit where I reached for a dollar bill or something like that. My hand was shaking and shit like this. Like, what the fuck is going on? It's been times, right? I'll go maybe two months months without drinking right but there'll

be days i stayed up late and i wake up with a hangover but i've never drank right it's like i don't i don't hang out late Unless I'm drinking Okay So every time I hang out late I wouldn't drink Right

But I just hang out late Let's suppose someone's in town Because Miami's a party town Right And let's give you an example Let's say Nas is in town Nas hit me late And he got club 11

At 3 o'clock in the morning Okay I'm not used to hanging out At 3 o'clock in the morning But this is my friend He's basically telling me To come hang out with him I go hang out with him.

I go chill. I roll. I have this filled. I have two or three of these filled. I'm smoking. I'm not drinking at all. But the fact is, I'm so used to, when I'm out at that time, to be drinking, your body automatically don't get me wrong, I'm not actually hung

over. I feel hung over. I wake up, I'm like, oh, shit. And I be like, all right, cool. Because I feel like those hours relate to that. Associate. Yeah, associate to that. No one's never done that. Let's get off of this drinking shit.

All right, cool. I feel like it was serious. Let me say one thing, because this is still positive. I just want to say this. To people that's really trying to help themselves, you know what I'm saying? You got to get the physical part. Like I said, my hand was shaking and all that shit.

That means you're physically unhealthy. So basically, we went to the classes and everything. They didn't teach me shit that I didn't know. You know what I'm saying? But once you get like two or three weeks or a month and everything where you cleanse your system and get it out of you and eat right and drink water and shit like that, I got to look at this thing,

it ain't no attraction, you know what I'm saying? Like, Oh, yeah, you get out your system. Right, right, right. It's just liquor for y'all, you know what I'm saying?

It ain't nothing, but I recommend people to just go on a straight, what do you call it? Fast? Fast, fast. A liquor fast. Yeah, a juice fast.

And, you know, and get around people that ain't going to entice you to fuck up. Yeah. So you don't have to watch verses? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Whoever. Who would the licks go against? I'm going to tell you right off the top, people are going to say Hyro Glyphics. Already got something for you. We was talking about this.

People are going to say Hyro Glyphics. I think that's a good matchup. I think so. You don't want Smoke Channel live? Damn! I didn't get it, too. I didn't get it. No, I'm fucking with you.

He got red. Look at him. He got red. Let's get love, my kid. Let's get love. And that's my announcement. But, you know. Wait, who?

They don't got enough? I got one. Okay, all right. All right, cool. One man, so. Come on, that shit run off a version. You can do that. But you know Who Damn got it up I got one Okay Alright Come on That's it Run go You can do that I told Hakeem

He didn't stand That was hard Breath control Was very on point Right right Nah but that's funny Y'all said that Cause I

I was in the studio I thought the licks Somebody Somebody bought up You thought who The licks They are the licks I mean

Beatnuts Excuse me I'm sorry That's a good one That's a good one But Hyrule I just feel like It just makes someone Somebody bought up this. You thought who? The Licks? They are the Licks. I mean, Beatnuts. Excuse me, I'm sorry. That's a good one. That's a good one. We got to have them with the Beatnuts. But Hyro, I just feel like it just makes so much sense. I already wrote something, man.

It's like too much West Coast. Yeah, but you mean the Beatnuts are not enough? Whoever it is, everybody. You just want it with everybody. I just want to find out. You know how you got the Beatnuts, because the hieroglyphics, that's our homeboys and everything. But my homeboy called me a couple, like three or four days ago,

and he said that Caswell kind of disrespected the Licks' legacy. Like, we ain't worried to do verses with them or some shit. Oh, wait, he's with the Nobobos? So the whole bottom line is I went to the studio that night. I went to the studio that night, and I was really working on this whole other song. But I just wrote some bars for Casual to, Casual to the high road.

Because it's like, man, that's how they feel. That's how they feel. That's damn. That's my home way. That's Ice Cube's cousin. Shout out to the high road,

man. I love them dudes. I love Casual too. I ain't Thanksgiving dinner at Casual House, but I'm just on some MC shit this year, man, and I heard that.

And so for me to let that slide. You heard it yourself or someone told you? No, somebody told me, but I just said, in case it's true, I wrote a verse. You know what I'm saying? I heard that and so for me to let that slide yourself or someone told no somebody told me but I just said in case it's true I wrote a verse can we hear the verse you know we spectable I don't remember that's it maybe I got it it's like this, shout out to Casual, the Hyrule,

and all that shit. It's just like, to beat the best, you gotta beat, I mean, be the best, you gotta beat the best. We've been hearing that shit

so many years, it's like, I was just waiting for it. Like, I couldn't think of nobody else in the night. But you guys, both of y'all are such a pillar

in the West Coast. That's why they don't hate you, they don't disrespect you. If you feel like you're better than that, I'm gonna show you a couple of groups out there. Go ahead. This ain't no blindside shit, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, that's what I heard, and. Go ahead. This ain't no blindside shit. I'm just saying,

I'm just saying, that's what I heard and I've heard Casual brag. We went on tour together and all that stuff about he can't be touching on the mic and all this and everything.

So, you know, I just, I just. Seem a little personal. I just, I like it. I just. I like it. I like it. Hey, what I mean is.

And it could be high road the whole crew against the whole Liquid crew. That would be ill. It would be fair though. You should crew, against the whole Liquid crew. That would be ill. That would be ill. I'm an alcoholic to everybody in the world. If we did the Liquid crew thing, there's no disrespect to Hyrule.

The Liquid crew against the Hyrule crew? That would be crazy. This is not no blindside trying to count cases, nothing like that. I've been feeling like that for a long time that we didn't get it on the mic. You know what I'm saying? The Licks against Hyrule. I don't know if Liquid crew is... I've been feeling like that for a long time that we need to get it on the mic. The elixir gets higher.

Our liquid crew is stupid. If we go back, the liquid crew is deep. Let's just describe everyone. Say the whole tree. It extends far. It starts with King T and then there's us. Exhibit.

There's the Far Eye There's I forgot the Far Eye There's Dialed That came Associated with us I mean a lot of people Are associated

Yeah There's Blue Pack Mad Lib You're like the native Chung of the West Coast Absolutely That's a good ad Absolutely

Mad Lib And we discovered And put out On our first album You know Shit Stylistic Jones. Yeah, we got a lot, man.

Would y'all battle Trial Code Quest? You said what? Would y'all battle Trial Code Quest? No, no. He's like, nah. Not without Fife, dude. I mean, battles are real battles, but they got the...

I like their music too much. I wouldn't be... Yeah, I think they go a little... I want to do the old school. If we do versus With Hyrule I'll welcome that That's one thing about me

I'm behind this What's that? Brand new Brand new Oh yeah You know how LL Cool J Saying the sounds I think that Hyrule

And the alcohol Would be the best set up Right now You know what I'm saying I think Hyrule And you guys would be best I'm just saying for the fans Oh yeah that's all

Anybody for the fans You know But we's all crazy. Anybody for the fans, you know? But we got some shit. Our catalog is big. So, no. All right, so let's just say you accept Brand Newbie, and we said that, right? I accept Iroh.

We accept anybody. I mean, per se, what I mean. I don't know what I meant by that. I don't know what I meant by that. They ask and corrupt, you accept them, too. Ooh, that's a good one. That's a good one.

That is a good one. It's like we got different crowds though. Like people sleep on the licks because like they don't call us for a lot of, like I got songs with Snoop, Dash, Ruff, all of them. But they don't really call us for like a lot of West Coast shit. Like we out of national kind of it.

So it be these hundreds of thousands of little pockets of alcoholic fans everywhere, you know what I'm saying? So like we got a whole overseas and like Japan and all these different things. But our sounds is different. But that would be fun to battle, though. Yeah, we got a cult

following, man. So we, you know. Our fans got to show up to that one. They love by the West Coast. We love by the West Coast. I think they fans are fans, you know.

No, for sure. This is one more. You said one more? Don't say Alcoholic CNN. How about M.O.P.? Ooh Ooh, that's a different one too That's a whole different I love that one

I think sonically It doesn't make sense Yeah, that's what I'm saying I'll do it None of it makes sense And it's all hypothetical No, no, no I just think it doesn't

Really match up He said being nuts If you really think about it Fab and Jada Kiss Makes no sense in the world It's just in the sense of hip hop No, that does make sense No, it doesn't Fab has all commercial records and Jada Kiss makes no sense in the world. It's just in the sense of hip hop. No, that does make sense. No, it doesn't.

Fab has all commercial records and Jada has not one. No, no, but the way that they rhyme does make sense. They're both good. Hey, but I didn't even think about that. That's rhyme pattern. M.O.P. would be a good one, though. That's rhyme pattern versus rhyme content. You know what?

Maybe M.O.P. might actually make sense. That's what I'm trying to say. M.O.P. I'm thinking about the way that the groups rhyme. Yeah. And actually, it does kind of. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Like, M.O.P. I'm thinking about the way that the groups rhyme. Yeah. And actually, it does kind of... Yeah, this is what I'm trying to say.

I'm thinking hardcore hip-hop. No, M.O.P. You guys are thinking content. You guys are thinking... I hear what you're saying. Who are you guys? I'm just saying in general. You guys are thinking content.

I'm not thinking that. I'm thinking pure hip-hop. Yeah, yeah. Pure hip-hop. Just one fucking mic. I mean, you know, three mics. And then there are two mics or whoever and a DJ. Pure hip-hop. Just one fucking mic. I mean, you know, three mics. And then there are two mics

or whoever and a DJ. Oh, for sure. I'm not thinking about Scoop and Scrap. I'm not thinking about fucking, you know, the other people

that's going to come out dancing. I'm not thinking about I loved what Kane did with Crazy Legs. But I'm not thinking about that part. I'm just thinking about just bars, party music,

hype music just going song for song. Oh, for sure. M.O.P. would be some fun though. That would be dope. Brand new band you accept, but that's something you're excited about. I ain't never thought about that.

I don't know that shit. I think M.O.P. makes more sense now. Yeah, because they got, yeah, they party down, man. Now that I think about it, the way that the licks rhyme. Thank you for coming back. Yeah, I'll come back. I'll come back. Thank you for coming back.

Because I'm thinking, I'm thinking about the rhyme style. Right. Right, yeah. No, I'll come back. I'll come back. Thank you for coming back. Because I'm thinking. I'm thinking about the rhyme style. Right. Right, right. Right. It'd be entertaining. How about, have you guys ever worked with Dilla? No.

No, man. We were supposed to, man, right before he got sick. Wow. Yeah, I talked to Dilla. Man, we had so much shit going on. And it just never happened. You know? Would have loved to just never happened, you know. Would have loved to work with him, of course.

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Yes, you can. Actually, no, you can't. No. Hold up a second. Oh, I can. Go again. So, y'all the first, one of the first groups. I'm serious, too. Signed Aloud, right?

And then Mobb Deep. Yeah. How was the, relax, buddy. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Who's the two groups y'all said they were signing before y'all? Twista and Madcap. Okay, and then after y'all was Mobb Deep, I thought Wu-Tang. After us, it was Zimmy.

No, I'm just saying that. Zimmy. I'm not saying, I'm not saying. It was like Mobb Deep was right after us. Yeah, Wu-Tang. Zimmy was Mobb Deep. No, I'm just saying that around that. I'm not saying... I'm not saying... It was like... Exactly. It was... No, Wu-Tang was right after us. Yeah, Wu-Tang. Wu-Tang came after my D. No, no, no.

Exhibit. No, no. Exhibit came because of y'all, no? Didn't Exhibit come after y'all? Yeah, he came right after us. Yeah, because of y'all. He came after our second album. After our second album.

No, he came before our second album. He was on our second album. Because of the alcoholics? He was on our second album. What's that? It was because of the alcoholics, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our executive produced his first two albums

and brought them to Loud. But what I'm trying to say is Mobb Deep comes in and Wu-Tang, let's put that in there. How was that environment at Loud? Wu-Tang came first and then Mobb Deep.

Yeah, it was incredible. I feel like there's hip-hop and then there's that culture y'all cultivated within Loud. You know what it was, though? It was a trip. You was on Debt Jam? I was on now that's sick that's secondly that's what I'm ever sitting in meetings and shit like executive me with loud another shit and it was just gonna head up with death jam you know saying they Steve I don't know for Steve calling

yes Steve was calling the shot but I don't know whose idea was but if you notice they signed a red man he's on a. They signed a so-and-so. We signed a Alcoholics. They signed a Wu-Tang. They signed a Ray. Yeah, exactly. So if you look at the pattern of the WJMC,

that loud shit, we signed this, they signed that. You know what I mean? So that was like a competition thing going on that I didn't even know about until after our third album

and shit. But, you know, but, um... But how was that environment though? Yeah, yeah. Family, man. We took Wu-Tang On tour with us

You know what I'm saying They were opening for us They were opening for y'all Yeah so when we When we were on a promotional tour At the same time We had just dropped A little bit before then

Yeah but we But our single was out What year was this This was End of 93, 94 Yeah we got footage Which single was this We had Make Room Out

At the time Only When I'm Drunk Only When I'm Drunk All that Classics So we had momentum. They were a new group. They had Protect Your Neck.

Protect Your Neck was up in the MET. In the MET. In MET, man. So they had New York on lock. Yeah, but we didn't even realize. We didn't even realize. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Before they got signed, we heard. I don't know. Who did they promotional? When I go to New York To talk I mean Just go to New York To do it I seen Like Big Pun

And Wu-Tang Promotional team Is the most flooded I ever seen Any other Like everywhere you talk Is a Wu-Tang W Oh yeah

No no That story's crazy man Because Big Pun and Wu-Tang What happened was They was Buzzing in the streets And

I was actually in New York at the time and having a meeting with Steve Rifkin. He had hair. He had hair. Let's be clear. Right, let's be clear. Stringy Steve. RZA came in, kind of bummer, I started meeting, right, me and Steve.

And one by one, they just came in there and started rapping. This shit was like a movie, right? But you were there when they demoed themselves? I was there. It was only two people there. It was me and Steve Rifkin. You understand what he's saying? Yeah, I actually see the documentary.

Is he in the documentary? No, no. Steve has to tell the story. They X'd you out? They X'd me out. I wasn't big enough. I didn't have enough Platinum records

I got to continue I got to continue But So they came in here And they just bounced And Steve looks at me Because I was Steve's Right hand man at the time

Like everything That had to do with Meetings Fucking music Like I was his guy He's amazing Right so They laugh and shit

He's like What the fuck was that What just happened I was sitting there like Yo He's like, what the fuck was that? What just happened? I was sitting there like, yo, I don't know what the fuck that was, but you better not let them get out this building without signing the motherfuckers, right? Next deal, they had a record deal. And it was all nine of them?

It was all of them. It was all except for maybe Ghostface. So are we saying That E-Swift Has something to do With the signing I want to say I was there But he said I wasn't

I was like I'm in the room I'm out of here He said you was right behind him I was there I've been somewhere So I'm not I'm not taking credit

You were drunk That's how the story goes And it was already Like on the radar So you are taking credit Or you're not taking credit? I can't take credit for that. I didn't cut the check.

No, but I'm saying you was there, there, and you said you gave the cosign. I gave him the cosign. I gave him the thumbs up. So the West Coast helped. Yeah, we helped. Hey, we was there. We was there. We was around.

Yeah. But that happened several times. I tried to take a few people to Steve. Eminem was one of them. No. Yeah. Oh, you're cool with that one, right? Yeah, he passed on Eminem.

I'm shutting the fuck up. He passed on Eminem. He didn't sign it. And the same trip, Eminem was out there. And you brought Eminem to him? I played him his shit. Like, I had his demo. I did, too.

I had his demo, too. We met Eminem. I met him with Paul Rosenberg. Yeah, Paul brought us to Detroit. Wait, but Paul was managing Eminem? Yeah, but this was early. And Paul had brought us to Detroit to do a show. Paul was throwing shows, too, at the time.

And he was a lawyer. So we went out there, and Paul comes, picks us up in his Pathfinder, whatever it was, and he takes us around, and he takes us to the record store where Eminem and Proof and all of them would be rapping and all that.

What, in Detroit? Yeah, in Detroit. And we met them and this guy, he was rapping and we got the demo tape. So we started playing it like around.

I had a hotel room when Rap Life came out and he brought Eminem to my hotel room and said he'd play it. Yeah, but he... I was like, oh, shit. Drake?

Drake? Paul Rosenberg. Oh, wow. And when it got in Dre's hands, King T was signed to Aftermath at that time. Dre had just put out

fucking I forgot. After the Firm. Yeah, After the Firm, which didn't do as well. It was West Coast, West Coast? I think it was after, man. It was after, man. I think. I'm not sure. Can you Google that?

It was after, man. And then, so that didn't do as well as they wanted for a Dr. Dre project. Right, right. Did good. I mean, you know, it was dope. But for a doc, you know, you're Dr. Dre. Your fucking standards are way up here, and your expectations are way up here. So it didn't reach that threshold. And next up to bat was King T, who had, who Dr. Dre and King T had been in the studio and probably did like 30 songs.

And Dr. Dre had the decision, like once this, once he got a hold of this Eminem shit, he was like, it's got to be King T. And they shelved it. Yeah. I got that King T snippet still from Eminem. Yeah, so he rolled the dice and fucking Eminem took off. But he did let King T

get his masters, let him do whatever he wanted with it, and that's unheard of. So, you know, big up to him. Side track story. The guy who created our logo,

he's Scam. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Scam. He, he's Scam. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Scam from Miami, from Carroll City, actually. Okay. And he was one of the people that took Eminem to the source and was down with Paul

and all them guys. Hell yeah. There's a backstory there. Yeah, so, yeah. You never know. That's what I'm saying. You never know where the shit comes from, man.

So you, Eminem, can't be out in the hotel room. He can't be in my hotel room. I was out here for, I'm trying to think what year it was. Rap Life was out, so about 2000. And where was this, in Miami? No, this was in New York. I'm thinking we in New York right now.

I know I said here, but. Look at me and think it's New York. I understand, that's racist. Everybody thinks we're in New York, but we're in fucking Miami. Where's the camera at? Where's the camera? Where the fuck is Miami?

We in Dade County, goddammit. Goddammit. All right, goddammit. Goddammit. All right, so E-Swift. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, because Tash's not drinking, so you got to hold it down. We're doing it quick time? Yes. This is a part of our show that we call Quick Time or Slime.

All right. It's a very simple game. You either pick one or the other. Nothing. Get ready to drink. If you pick both, you drink. All right. If you pick none.

Tash has to pick a drinker, though. All right. He has to pick a drinker. Oh, yeah. Oh, I pick a drinker? Who drinker? You want to pick Hakeem Green? Hakeem, you drinking?

Hakeem, you drinking? Let's go. Hakeem, you drinking? Let's go. All right. Let's take a pee-pee. Nobody take a pee-pee. All right.

Yeah. I'll review. I'll review. What y'all got over there? We good. All right, we're not going to do what the what? No, you good. No, no, no, no.

You ain't leaving. Oh, oh. I thought hockey was going to sit there. What's up, boys? Get hockey chair. Get hockey chair. What's up, fam, man? Cool.

Get in another chair. We good. Now they got room. There's no more now? All done. Speaking of verses, you ain't seen him on verses? Yeah, I did. Okay. That's what not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. He do barf activism, he do pump it up for two hours. Straight. Get that Al B. Scholl look on. Yeah, get that Al B. Scholl look on. All right, E. Swift, you ready? Yeah, let's do it. Hold on, hold on, bro, I can't hear anybody. It's called Quick Town Slimes. You want to reiterate the rules. Okay.

You pick one or the other, you're safe. Oh, Hakeem getting drunk with us, whoo! I'm hyped right now. I don't drink. You can pick both. But you're taking shots? I fuck around. Holy shit, Hakeem, Don't kill yourself over us.

You take a shot. Okay, so you ready? You get a volunteer? I'm ready. I'm good. I'm going to rock out with you. Come on, man. Hakeem's going in.

Don't do it for us, bro. He live out here with us. We want to be positive for the culture. We don't want to bring someone to the dark side. All he do is walk mad-ism, but today all he do is drunk mad-ism. Drunk mad-ism. There Mad Drizzle Drizzle mean drinks Okay Yeah I hope so buddy

You ready to eat I'm ready I'm ready Aw shit Wu-Tang or NWA Damn You drinking NWA

Ooh Okay You looking at me like I thought you was gonna say something You drinking? NWA. Ooh. Okay. You looking at me like... I thought you was going to say something. Oh, no. You ready? No, no. He answered for both of y'all, I think.

Okay. I'm going to read. Oh, it's your turn. Okay, yes. What, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two different questions. Okay.

Exhibit or Razzcast? Ooh. Wow. And trust me, R Raz is listening right now. It'll work. You don't got to drink, but you could... What's that?

Is it general? Whatever your criteria. You could say both, neither, or one or the other. If you say both or neither, we drinking. Everybody.

Everybody's drinking. I'll say both. There you go. Hakeem! It's your turn! But we drinking with you, though? We drink and you too. You got a drink too. Shot, shot, shot.

I thought you was drinking Ciroc. Is that watermelon? Yeah, I'm drinking watermelon. Is this watermelon? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll drink a watermelon. I'll do a little shot. Oh, whoa, whoa. That's more than a little shot, just FYI. Y'all be important. Let me bartend for y'all. Listen, this is a little shot.

I'm going to show you what a little shot is. Nah, this is a little shot. I'm going to show you what a little shot is. Nah, this is a little shot. Nah. If you do a lot of little shots. That's another good answer. I'm not going to take it off. Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to sip on it.

No, no, no. You got to take a shot. You got to take a shot. All right, I'll take it. The whole shit. Oh, you got ice? Yeah, I put my... Oh, yeah, he does ice.

I don't know. Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Cheers, fellas. Salute. Salute., yeah. All right. Cheers, fellas. Salute. A salute. A salute.

Dale, dale, dale. One down. Is that the first question, by the way? No, it's the second. Oh, the second and a half. Okay. Oh, look. Raz Cash used to be King T's

Dancer Get the fuck out of here Raz never told me that No Raz And Raz was Raz and Dags Yeah

Raz and Dags Yeah that's how I know Raz Originally Oh I'm gonna have to ask Raz about it That's my brother man Hold on The real He didn't know how to do the windmill

He knew how to do it all. No, Raz, man, he was acrobatic. I couldn't imagine he's a B-boy, man. You remember when motherfuckers used to grab your foot and jump over it? Kidding me, right? Oh, shit. Raz and Grave? Oh, no, he was nice.

Did he have the mohawk or the flat top? He had it back there. I think he had the low hair there. I think he had low hair, but he was the illest. Like, fuck it. Y'all took Raz, man. I'm surprised he ain't told y'all. He probably,

you know, being humble. He ain't never told me that. And that's my brother. I asked him, I said, you need to bring that down. I said,

you made a million dollars quick that you just started dancing in your videos like you knew you saw it. He said, hell nah. That's what he told me. He had no reason why.

The far side or souls of mischief? Oh. I think the souls of mischief. Oh. Yeah. I think you're going gonna be biased right now I don't know man I talked to

I talked to Fat Liv I'm gonna say the fourth sign Okay I was about to say You can make a hockey drink You can make hockey drink Alright y'all ready? Like please

Please answer Please Y'all ready? Yep Diamond D He's like please Please answer it Please Y'all ready Yep Uh oh Diamond D Or Mad Lib Wow that

That's crazy Good one guys That's a good one Good one guys That's a good one Because Diamond D Like if I had to have A best friend in hip hop shit

It would be Diamond D Like for, if I had to have a best friend in hip-hop shit, it would be Diamond D. Like, for real, like, and the Mad Lib, obviously, is like. Yeah, no, that's family. That's family. That's like my brother. Shit. Sounds like a shot to me. Both.

Both? Both. All right, we're taking a shot. Go ahead. That's definitely empty. Yep. Both. Both? Both. All right, we're taking a shot. Go ahead. That's definitely it. Yep. Hock Green Green has been so good to drink champs.

It's time for the drink champs to be good back to Hock Green Green. Drink, motherfucker. And shout out to Quasimodo. Oh, my bad. Yeah. All right, y'all ready? Everybody ain't got their shot? Hold on.

Sorry, Hock. So, baby. All right. You signed up for this. I just got way fired in the room, that's all. Come on. And you just killed Versus. Oh, you killed it. I told him. I told him. He killed it. Yeah. Thank you.

All right. Okay, y'all ready? Yeah, this is good. Let's finish this. Let's finish this, yeah. Oh, you finished yours already? Okay. I drank my shit, too. So y'all get your shit together. So, my bad. I forgot to toast. Salute. That's tasty. Okay, I drank my shit too. Oh yeah, I'll get you some of that I Got the toast

That's tasty Alright, oh You want to Drop already He picked far side, okay, so I thought you both picked this shit King oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I thought you both picked this shit. King T. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

We was on the... King T or MTA? Ooh. King T. That was my boss. King T. That's what put us in the game. That's the...

That's the thing, though. That's the thing. But MTA... Another person. CMW legend. Shout out to him. MTA was on it. Right by me in Vegas.

We just had a video with Jul MCA Our first demo tape That got a sign That allowed MCA Was on it Like he did a song With everybody He was on it Ice-T

What year was that 89 89, 90 MCA was on our demo King T I mean that's the That's the top And I'm good friends

With Chill to this day Was this after he said Are you scared nigga Way before This was before. This was the 80s. That's the legendary. Oh, yeah.

Are you scared, nigga? Yeah. No, this is free. I'm going crazy. No, you're not. You could straight out of Compton or all eyes on me. Straight out of Compton. I said it quick,

but for a reason, though. I would like to hear your reason. Benny Bone. But Benny Bone didn't do shit. Oh, he talking about the movie. He talking about movies. Oh, the movie. Oh, what you talking about?

The movie. The movie. Wait, I'm lost like a motherfucker. He in the movies. I'm smoking that smoke tab. I'm smoking that smoke tab. And he said Benny Boom but Benny Boom didn't. He smoking that smoke tab.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Benny, you been straight out of the car and said it's because of Benny Boom but Benny Boom did all eyes on me. Okay. Oh, damn it. He didn't do straight out of the car. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll take that. You said straight out of the car, you said, because of Benny Boom. But Benny Boom did all eyes on me. OK. Oh, did he? He didn't do straight out of the car.

Oh, shit. That doesn't mean I got a big deal. I thought you were talking about Gary. I was going to go for Benny Boom's But Benny Boom definitely had nothing to do with the albums. So you can't say you did for Benny Boom. You're talking about albums, right? You picked the albums.

I thought you were talking about the movie or you were talking about the albums. The movie, yeah. But you said, because of Benny Boom. Oh, I thought you were talking about the albums. I thought you were talking about the albums. No, but he said, because of Boone. And he would have been wrong either way.

He would have been wrong either way. Either way. All right. No, but I'm saying the movie. That's a good way to play it, though.

Which one was a better movie to you? Which one do you like better? Which one do you prefer? That shouldn't be. Really? You picked straight out of Compton the album

in my mind just now. I don't know. I'll say just because we was around that like KT and NWA, I'll say straight out of Compton. Okay,, in my mind just now, I don't know. I'll say just because we was around that, like KT and NWA, I'll say Straight Outta Compton. Okay, but Benny Boom got nothing to do with that. You know that. Sorry, Benny.

Sorry, he was there the whole day, man. Straight Outta Compton, because of Benny Boom. This guy's different. All right, we on the phone with Benny, you know that's why we just talking. Yeah, he called us. All right, sorry, Benny.

Straight Outta Compton, four eyes on me. The album, being that he asked the movie. Now the album. Strat and Compton. You learn. Crazy motherfucker. I'm being honest. I can accept that.

I was really good friends with Pac, and it was never because of you. Wait, wait, you were really good friends with Pac? I was really good friends with Pac. So you barely met him, and he was good friends with him? I was telling him on the phone. I said, when you going to interview me, tell him what Pac's doing. So wait, you got to explain that. My circle's like in the House of Blues.

So how are you good friends with Pac? Just do L.A. shit. Like, do, I mean, do rap shit. That's how I met him. But,

me, I don't know, we just hung out. At what point in Pac's career, though? Oh, this is, this is like right after, I met him,

I met him digital, underground. He was Afrocentric at that time. Right, yeah, yeah met him, I met him digital underground. And he was Afrocentric at that time. Right, yeah, yeah. He had money. And then I remember he came to New York to film... Juice.

Juice. Yeah. He came back to L.A. and we just hung out. Like, you know what I'm saying? I had the fun house. I was living in Hollywood Hills. Everybody and their mom used to come by my house. Like, I was doing the big...

Let's be clear. Only people that's rich have a fun house Yeah I had a fun house I was rich Yeah yeah So I had the fun house in the hills Things were right next to Everlast

I mean not Everlast That's That's A little bit of Titty Pop Party Central Like that My house was the party house I don't know

Right but And I used to tell him Like I was At the time I wasn't a big He did himself. Right, but, and I used to tell him, like, I was, at the time, I wasn't a big pop fan because of his music, like, to be honest. On the digital underground side.

Just wasn't, it wasn't my shit. You just clowned around when you were underground with the underground. You know what I'm saying? I like that verse. I like that verse.

I was at the video and I didn't even get, I didn't even get in the video. I was like, I'm out of here. Yeah, I was like, I'm out of here. You know how I get around video? I was just chilling. I wasn't into getting in people's videos like that. I was just behind the scenes chilling.

I was just with the homie. Him, he would have been all in the video. I jerked off to that video. I want to be clear. You jerked off to the video? Yeah, I did. Good thing I wasn't in that shit. I feel weird if that was me.

I get around. I get around. I had to go back. I had to go back. Anything that had some titties in it. I want that joke to keep going. Anything that had titties in it. That video changed the game a little in it. That changed the game.

That video changed the game a little bit. That video changed the game. That was Nelly biffed it with Chip Trail. Oh, that was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Money B, too. I still talk to Money B all the time. Money B, my homeboy.

Money B, you know, we just had Money B here. I called him, but... Yeah, we had Humpty Humps. Young Hump. Young Hump. Young Hump. Yeah, Young Hump. Yeah. Young Hump got fucked up.

Like, three shots, it was over. Shout out Young Hump. That Hump. Yeah, Young Hump. Yeah. Young Hump got fucked up like three shots to his old friend. Shout out Young Hump. That's my homegirl. He was here. The nose stopped falling. Pick it up. Pick it up.

Pick it up, Young Hump. Smokin' that. Nose crooked. Yeah, the nose stopped falling. It was beautiful. You know Young Hump's dad is Stanley Clark, right? I didn't know that.

Yeah. The bass player? Yeah, the big... Yeah. Was it Stanley Clark, right? I didn't know that. Yeah. The bass player? Yeah, the big, yeah. Yeah. Was it Stanley Clark or George Duke? George Duke, Stanley Clark? Yeah, Stanley Clark. The famous jazz musician.

That's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. The other things people don't know, to be honest. Yeah, like people don't know Al Green's my godfather. Yeah, Al Green's his godfather. I had to throw that in there since you were talking about Stanley Clark. It's facts. Yeah.

I was on tour with Al Green when I was a little kid I've seen pictures of him in the old I got it in my phone with the old like 1970 Rolls Royce

y'all talking about something else yeah with the 1970 Rolls Royce Tash is sitting in there with his little homemade

with his little homemade suit on is that this is not normal yeah I love my mom you just know Al Green nah I was like I have no clue with his little homemade pseudo. Is that it? It's not normal. You just know Al Green? Nah, I was like, I have no clue. Yeah, that's his godfather.

Al Green was married to a lady named Ludine. Ludine was my mother's best friend at the time from Columbus. They had a child that was the same age as me. Al Green went on tour. We went on tour with him my mother worked for him actually ludine got my mother a job like remember back when when niggas had like fan mail and shit like that like my mom was down with like the open the mail read it and send

something back out there some shit like that you know i mean like when these had this is pre-email yeah but we were on the road and stayed in this crib in memphis um he bought like a car i remember i was a kid but he bought like a car. I remember I was a kid, but he bought like a, I thought this was the most baller shit I ever seen, but he wanted to be close to his band and shit, right?

So he bought a cul-de-sac. He said, you're going to stay in that house. You're going to stay in that house. I'm going to stay in that house. My mom's staying, you know what I mean? Like a cul-de-sac.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And I remember like looking in and I was like, this is the dopest shit. Then I was a kid. I was like five years old or something like that

thinking like yo that house that house that house was y'all going to the hospital and that's the guy that they threw grits on

right you knew him prior to the grits he knew him prior to the grits no I got pins in the hospital they had to go like oh shit

he's pre-grits that's the crib in Memphis I'll tell you about the lady threw the grits on him we went to visit him in the hospital he had a heart attack. Nobody know that when he Went to see

Listen the whole thing is the pitchers that when he got the grits on on him and shit it Burned his back so bad. They had to take skin grab off his ass. And so when I went to the hospital, he laying on like a dolphin. He laying on this thing, a gurney nigga in the air. With his ass out? Yeah, because he couldn't lay on his back. So it started to ass out. He's crazy. He's crazy right now.

But I'm standing there, this nigga like suspended and shit. I burned a bed and shit. I'm going to show you some footage. And you knew, hold on, hold on. I'm sorry. My mom worked for him. But you knew who Al Green was? I mean, he was, I was five.

I'm going to show you the pictures and you tell me how old I was. I don't even remember how old I was. But I know this nigga was rich and he was like a king to everybody. You know what I'm saying? And his son's name is Norm. I still talk to him.

He hates this. But his son's nickname was Poopy as a kid. You know what I'm saying? So I still call him, this is day 50. I still talk to him. He hates this, but his son's nickname was Poopy as a kid. You know what I'm saying? So I still call him, this is day 50, and I still call him Poopy. And he hates this shit.

You know what I'm saying? Poopy or Poopy? Poopy. Like Poopy. P-O-P-I-E. But anyway, he's a pilot now. That's Al Green's son.

So we was the same age. Talking about learning at the same time. So now we, yeah. But I'm going to find a way quick. We believe you. Al Green's got something. Send it to us anyway. We're going to use it. We'll text it to you. Got something? Learning at the same time so now we yeah, but I'm a final with quick Al green

Get the fuck out of here. I got to love out his face like what got by the tools name is team walking in close After he got burnt with a good, okay, hold on I got a couple more What did I stop at oh, I know I'll stop that I'm good. I got a couple more. That is not good. Where did I stop at? Oh, I know where I stopped at. I'm good. I got it. Okay. Yo-Yo or MC Lyte? MC Lyte.

MC Lyte. I like her beats. MC Lyte. Yeah. And Yo-Yo's my homegirl. I thought she was the hardest female MC ever. She was the hardest. Her voice was great. That's why I can't know females.

Oh, yeah. I'm an MC Lyte fan for sure. That's a lot of was great. That's why I can't know females. I'm an NC Light fan for sure. That's a lot of Toure's. It's dope. It's that paper thin beat. That's what it is. Did it for me. Y'all ready?

It's going to get real right now. I'm starting with you. What's up? Biggie or Big Pun? Oh, see. Wow. Because Big Pun, he treated me like a brother. Hey, label mates too.

Biggie brought us on tour, so I got to give him his flowers for that. You know what? They never put Pun In the top five As much as he should be So I'm gonna say Pun for this one Yeah Biggie get his flowers

You know what I'm saying So I'm gonna get Pun Yeah that was crazy man Like being at his funeral And his wake And all that Like was Unbelievable

To Pun or Biggie's Yeah Puns We was at Pun King of the Bronx Yeah That was there Yeah

That was incredible Yeah I didn't realize How much love that guy had. Hey, man, like, we used to kick it every day. You know what I'm saying? Like, punk bought this big-ass mansion. Oh, it had an Airbnb type thing back then.

Oh, in Beverly Hills. Steve Winning, like, this big-ass, like, he bought the whole family, the whole hood, the terrace, blah, blah, blah. We used to go up there every day and get fucked up. He was working on a second album. Capital Portis, right? Yeah. Well, the first album

Capital Policeman was the first one When he was living in Beverly Hills That was the first album? Yeah, maybe it was the second album Because I remember It was the second album One of the memories I remember it tripped me out

Is that I went to visit him I took Field of Agony up there And this story has nothing to do with nothing But They brought me to the back of the house And Pun was out by the pool and shit, right? And he was laying on his beach chair like this

But you know Pun was a big dude And you remember CDs and shit Stick to like, you know what I mean? Like I don't know if he just got out of the pool He had no shirt on But he had all these CDs on his belly You know what I'm saying? Like he had CDs everywhere

He was laying back He was doing it to be funny But he wanted to make a point He was like, Taz He said but he wanted to make a point. He was like, Taz, this is how I'm going to write my album this time. He said, from now on, I'm going to write the hook. I'm going to have a hook before I start writing the lyrics. He said, because I always write lyrics and ramble.

And then I can't think of shit. The hook-wise, from now on, I'm just doing hooks. I'm going to have all my hooks before I even start writing my album. So we were sitting there for hours trying to think of hooks For this nigga's beats And shit We put him in We drunk We have a flood And shit

But he was like He told me he wasn't Gonna write no lyrics To no songs Until he had all the hooks First and everything I tripped off He might have been bullshit

I don't know But we sat there We was trying to Poolside Trying to think of hooks For his shit And he ain't like the one I ain't good at hooks

By the way I'm just throwing that in the air I saw his birthday It was a couple days ago poolside trying to think of hooks for his shit and he ain't like the one. I ain't good at hooks. I mean, I'm just throwing that in the air because I saw his birthday was a couple days ago. And you picked pun as well? I picked pun. Okay.

Tupac or DMX? Tupac. DMX? Tupac. DMX. You got to take a shot. We got to disagree. Oh, why? Because we can't agree? Yeah, you have to be a unit.

I don't know. Yeah, you got to be a unit. I'm just going to roll with it. I'll roll with it. All right. Come on, Hakeem. I mean, we drinking with you, too. Yeah, yeah, we drinking with you, too.

Thank you, sir. Tell me when to stop. Stay well. Tell me when to stop. Stay woke. Tell me when to stop. Stop. Okay, but I would like your explanation. Okay. To why you picked.

Yeah, you can pass it. Oh, I picked, um. Can you pass me that? Tupac or DMX. I just have a more personal connection with Pac. With Pac? I did, I did. You?

DMX because I just think that, like, you know, they both one of a kind. Yeah, yeah. He snatched the mic from me one time. That's it.

DMX? And he still voted for it. Yeah. But the whole thing, he just snatched it disrespectfully. Nah, not at all. I think the nigga,

we just saw footage. I think the nigga drunk or something. I don't know what happened, but... We was doing a show at the House of Blues. At the House of Blues.

What state? The House of Blues. What state? The House of Blues is every state. California. California, in Hollywood. But he had come... I think he had just signed with Def Jam or something, so they brought him on a West Coast run. And before the show, some motherfucker from Def Jam

introduced me and said, this is DMX, he's going to be the next shit and everything. We had this little... Back then, we had this little part of the show where we'd bring people from the the audience freestyle with us or whatever You know saying whatever it was and I don't know if I told it niggas like like just chill We're gonna get you on the freestyle thing or whatever. It was he Basically walked up in the middle of the song and she I don't know what the fuck he was on

But he was actually put up my gun on rapping this way. He's over my shoulder and everything He reaches around me, he grabs the mic, I don't even know this nigga and shit. And at the end of the song, I thought he had something to say, like, emergency, everybody get out or something like that. So I just let the mic start rapping, like, over one of his songs and shit. It was so random that it was like, what the fuck is going on type shit. And he wasn't saying our lyrics,

he was saying his own shit, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? He was saying, get out, we don't like you. Everybody looking around. And security was like, so we're rushing with everything. But I was like, let him, you know what I mean? Because he had already introduced me as a Def Jam artist before that. You know what I'm saying?

The other guy introduced me to him and said, you know. And it was just so random that we had to laugh at it. And then afterwards, all we did was went to the dressing room. Like, what the fuck was you? Like, this and that. And all we did was just drink the whole time. And hear his story. And he told me he's from Yonkers and all this and all that

For them we was I thought we was friends, but I never saw him again ODB or Big L? I got some no brainer ODB Nothing to do with lyrics. I said no O ODB We got a lot of A lot of history That's our brother We've done songs with him And recipe And Big L is definitely One of the

Big L was the Ever do it That's no disrespect We can say that all day But you know We gotta go with our brother ODB A lot of memories

A lot of memories Dr. Dre Or DJ Quick Ooh I'm gonna go with Dr. Dre My Our first couple albums quick? I'm going to go with Dr. Dre. Our first couple albums that I produced,

I was using the SP-1200 and the ASR-10. The SP-1200 that I used on those records that I still have to this day, I stole it from Dr. Dre. The whole machine? You've been stealing the Cougar Ball. Okay, I didn't steal it He let me borrow it

And I just never gave it back Is that the same? Is that stealing? I mean, he never asked for it back But he gave it to you? Yeah, he like gave it So that's like stealing with no reparations That's what it's called

I'll take that Yeah, yeah But no, those first few albums Was on Dr. Dre's SP-1200 So, Dr. Dre I owe you an SP-1200 No, I'm pretty SP-1200. I think he's good.

I don't know if he forgot. He probably didn't forget. Every time he sees me, he's like, yo, what's up with that SP-1200? He definitely didn't forget this. Oh, yeah. DJ Quick. Damn. The reason I said Quick I would like to be your explanation.

DJ Quick has been, I don't know if you call it the bucket list or whatever, but I've always wanted to do a song with Quick since like the late 80s. Can you have it? Huh?

You have it? Nah, every time we see each other we party, we party here. We can't even get DJ Quick on here. Sure we can. Yeah, we can make it happen. But I talk to his managers,

I talk to his homeboys, I talk to everybody. You've been unsuccessful. No we can. Yeah, we can make it happen. But I'll talk to his managers. I'll talk to his homeboys. I'll talk to everybody. No shit. I can assist you. And it ain't happening, so. Maybe this will make it happen. Oh, yeah. Thank you.

What time is it out here? I got you. It's drink time. Oh. That's too successful. I mean, that's too successful. Hey, what about. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh, yeah. He said you want to share. Let's split that one. That's too selfish. Hey, what about... I love how it turns into the Jamaican block just now. Don't do that. Come on, Hakeem, you got to drink it down. You got to take it down. Don't pour it on the floor. That's two of them. Oh, don't do it. Okay. Oh, shit.

I know I do. You ready? Ooh. Menace to society or boys in the hood? Ooh. Menace to society or boys in the hood? For real. Ooh. Boys in the hood. Boys in the hood.

Okay, I can respect that. Yes. Loyalty or respect? That's a tough one. Respect. Okay. Respect. I'm going with respect Loyalty only lasts so long

With some people You know what I'm saying Like some people are just loyal For a moment Respect too though If you do something stupid They don't respect you Yeah but respect from

I mean From one birth Like you know what I'm saying Like you can be a respected person Like this guy right here Might be like I don't respect you But then

So would you rather have A loyal person That don't respect you i don't want that at all but you know loyalty is wait so you said loyalty you said respect no we both said respect okay they both said respect yeah i wanted to get shot too i'm thinking yeah yeah loyalty is a motherfucker too though man you think about it that's a tough one It is a tough one Yeah you gotta have both for that Yeah they I mean you know You know what

I forgot I could say both I forgot I could say both Yeah or That's a problem It's a trick question It's a trick question But one really doesn't exist Without the other

Like in real life Right Like you know Some of you say you know Respect and you know Respect sometimes come with fear Right Like you know A lot of you say, you know, respect and, you know, respect sometimes come with fear. Right.

Like, you know, a lot of people, like, if there's a CEO, if there's Steve Rifkin or Suge Knight, sometimes you might respect Suge more than you respect Steve Rifkin. Right. Doesn't mean you don't respect Steve Rifkin. Yeah, we still respect Steve Rifkin. But does that respect or are you just scared of him? That's what I'm saying. A lot of respect comes with fear. Right. But that doesn't mean respect, though. That's really scary. Yeah, we still respect Steve Hercule. But does that respect or are you just scared of him? That's what I'm saying. A lot of respect comes with fear. Right. But that doesn't mean respect though. That's really

scary. No, sometimes it does. That's why. I think the two are separate to be honest. It's separate but I'm saying sometimes. Sometimes that respect element. When a person respects, alright cool. A person could come and bail you out of jail. Alright. But a person could never shoot back

at the ops. I don't think that same respect is that respect. It's because the person that's shooting back with your ops, you probably have

more respect for you for that person. But when you get to jail, that person that's shooting at your ops ain't got no money. So it's a different thing. You understand what I'm saying?

No, I feel you. I feel like I feel like you're right. I feel like loyalty sometimes has a price tag on it. If anything, both of them together, to be honest. Yeah, that's my pick.

Both of them together always. But I understand how they coexist in separate directions, but I prefer them to exist in both. I feel like respect is, for the most part, forever. Like, if you respect it,

like, oh, he's respected. And I agree with you. But loyalty is forever. But loyalty, I think sometimes loyalty can be bought. You can do something that may not respect you, though. I feel like sometimes loyalty, and then it's not really true loyalty.

It won't be true loyalty. So that's what... That's perverted loyalty. Wait, say that again, because I forgot. Right, right. What I'm saying is sometimes loyalty only goes so far,

you know what I'm saying? Like, loyalty has a price on it. Like, I feel like sometimes What I'm saying is Sometimes loyalty Only goes so far You know what I'm saying Like loyalty Has a price on it Like I feel like Sometimes You can That can be swayed You know what I'm saying

Respect is Solid Like concrete I feel like People can stop Respecting you though So what the yada just said The yada said

At some point You can do something For me to not respect you Right As I said Yeah so both So both of them have An expiration date At some point You know what I'm saying I keep got something to not respect you. Right. As I said. Yeah, so both of them have an expiration date

at some point. You know what I'm saying? How come you got something to say? What do you got? Like, true loyalty and true respect is about standing

in a principle. Right. So when people respect you and are loyal to you, it's not that they're loyal to you. They're loyal to the principle you stand on.

In a situation? In general. In a situation. Your principles. loyal to the principle you stand for. In a situation? In general. In any situation. Your principles. When people know that you stand for a certain thing, and they're in line with that certain thing, it's not about you, it's about that thing.

I agree. Loyalty and respect is hand in hand. Yeah, that's what I say. Like me, loyalty, I'll just fuck with any restaurant. I love the restaurant that fucks with me back. But then respect is like when I go to Paris and I go to Hotel Coasties, they treat me like shit. But I love their food so much.

I respect it. I respect it. You're taking the abuse. That's taking this to a whole other level. I get what you're saying, though. I get what you're saying. It's respect. Like, they treat

Kim Kardashian like shit. Right. They just, you know, these French people, they walk into the restaurant and they're like, and then you tip them, they're like,

what the fuck is this? They all made up in that. No, I agree. It's a main city, though, man. I hate it, man. I would not go there. Like, after my first visit there, I never wanted to go back.

I thought they were sold. Nigga, no disrespect. We had some good-ass times in Paris. I don't know what you not go there. Like, after my first visit there, I never wanted to go back. I thought they were so... Nigga, no disrespect. We had some good-ass times in Paris. I don't know what you're talking about. Eventually, we had time. Shai loves Paris. He just said it. There's a million motherfuckers over there, man.

That's all I'm saying. They would act like they didn't know English, and they really did. Like, it was very... I didn't feel well. And the black people were mean to you. Not at all. Not at all.

But, the more I traveled there and got to know the people and know how they were, I came to love it. So, you know. Yeah, I love Power P. You got to clear that up. I love it now.

Oh, yeah. For sure. But I had cases where I got in an elevator with him. Oh, yeah. 100%. You don't smell yourself? You don't smell yourself?

That's a lot of places. You smell crazy. That's a lot of places. You know deodorant shit? You smell crazy. That was all good. No deodorant? You smell crazy? We was in one elevator. I swear to God, me and Dalizia.

I swear to God. Me and my homie Dalizia. Tell Dalizia, man. Big up Dalizia. He locked up. Come home soon. He locked up soon? Yeah.

No, they came home and they got locked up again. Oh, my God. Come home soon. But Monday, we in the elevator and I just really kind of make it

out of it to this situation where I'm, like, kind of good. So I'm like, all right, cool. And I don't want to piss off nobody. And we in the elevator. And a dude walks in the elevator. And down the elevator, he just goes, man, this motherfucker smell like shit. Damn. And I look, and I go, chill.

I go, chill. chill Oh you're my man You're my friend It's just He's just He goes No he's right I smell like shit I've been working

Two days straight I didn't take a shower Damn At least he acknowledged you Wow No I really smell like shit By the way I fucked up

I said that this is In an elevator The part that I'm missing Is this is We on a tour for MTV And I said Paris It wasn't Paris It was Germany

Okay So we're on a tour for MTV And I forget MTV's opposite station This is like MTV BET This is like They're clearing to the BET That's where we're on a tour For MTV And I forget MTV's opposite station This is like MTV BET This is like Their clearance at a BET

That's where we're at So I'm trying to tell Leezy like Chill You can't be I don't know if this guy Is an executive Or nothing

And I'm like Chill And the guy literally Stopped and said No relax That's okay I smell like shit He's right

I love you like that I haven't I haven't. I haven't showered in two days. And then I'm just looking like, what the fuck? We almost made some noise for that. I didn't know how to react.

No shower for two days. So, all right, all right. We're still on Quick Time? No, Quick Time with Slime. It's over. It's over. Now, can I finally ask the question? Yes. That's it No Quick Time and Slime It's over Let's make some noise Hey Hakeem's like yes Now Can I finally ask the question

Yes You guys are out loud No no no wait No no I'm just kidding And I'm humble Every time Go ahead My excuse

You guys are out loud Stay right Hakeem's like You guys are out loud You guys hit records Yeah You guys are doing Stay right You got hit records Yeah You guys are doing What makes you say

I want to Work with this Neptunes Okay I can speak on that First time I even heard Well that I normally heard Of Pharrell Was through

Your shit You know I wanted that process right? But what it kind of organically happened cuz um We didn't go looking for Pharrell like we need a need a hit record. Right. Boom, boom, boom. Make some calls, boom, boom, boom. First of all, I'm like, our budget ain't that deep to go looking for Pharrell. Right. Keep it 100.

Right. I ran into Pharrell at Dublin's in L.A. With a pool hall. Right. You know about Dublin's. I sold a cigarette in there. Okay, yeah. And they kicked me out very fast. Right. Okay, yeah. So you know it very well. Okay, yes, yes. Bubbling and Dublin.A. With a pool hall. Right. You know about Dublin. I sold a cigarette in there. Okay, yeah. And they kicked me out very fast. Right.

Okay, yeah. So you know it very well. Okay, yes, yes. Bubbling in Dublin. Yeah. Bubbling in Dublin. Like, everybody knows the line. So I knew who Pharrell was.

I didn't know he knew who I was. I didn't know he was a fan of ours. He's a big fan of yours. Yeah, I didn't know. You know? Big fan of yours. So he bumps into me. Actually, Pharrell comes up to me at Dublin.

He's like, yo, E-Swift, I'm Pharrell. I'm like, I know who you are. I need you. Pop it. He's like, you know. Was his shirt tight at the time? His shirt was, he didn't have one that tight. He said medium tight.

It was medium. But it wasn't, you know. It wasn't all the way. Yeah, it was. So he's like, you know, I got some records I want to play you. All right. I invite him up to my house. He comes by my house the next day.

He has a cassette. It has two songs on it. He plays them. They already have the hook on them. I'm like, okay. And it was different. We got to set the stage. What year is this? Because you're saying cassette. Yeah, it got to set the stage what year is this because you're saying cassette yeah it was on cassette so what year had it been

98 97 maybe 99 so what record he have all out already super thug oh no oh no all the pop he might even had even had Mystical. Danger. He had Mystical at the time, too. Yeah, exactly. That's where we're at. That's where we're at. In my opinion, Pharrell's two first records was,

I mean, as Pharrell. He had records prior to me. Not as Neptune. Excuse me, as Neptune. As Neptune. Excuse me, as the forefront. Because, yeah, Neptune, he had other records with him, but he wasn't on it

he had no input on those records that was the first thing he said to me he said no one gives me input no one gives me credit he said the first person

that's going to do that is going to be number one and I'm the hot dude at the time I'm sitting there with this guy he got a tight ass shirt

choker and shit and I'm looking like and I'm on the exact opposite. Bag of beans. No choker. My shit is right. No choker. I just said, I believe you. But anyway, it's not my story.

It's a secret of your story. So he basically came to my crib, played me the two records. I was like, it's not really our sound But You Your vision Like

You know At this time I'm doing everything I'm like I'm like The main guy You're producing everything For the alcoholics

I'm producing everything 98% And they follow You guys are following J-Ro and you Are following his lead Right? Correct?

Perfect You're a Dr. Dre I'm saying Production size Yeah yeah He making every beat At the Dr. Dre. I'm saying, you're on the production side. Yeah, yeah. He making every beat at the time. That's what I'm saying.

Like, y'all, like, whatever he's telling y'all on the production side. So I'm kind of, so I want you to keep your thought. Please keep your thought. Yeah. But what make you even

think about working with an outside producer? Because you could say, I want to keep all this money for myself. Right. Because I'm really humble, bro. Like, I was really like,

if they, honestly, what it came down to, if they like it, I love it. You wanted the best for the group. I wanted what's best for all of us. That's right. At the time, we're popping damn near as hard as you can on the level we are. Like, underground, if you want to say. Nah, you guys were more than underground. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying.

Like, real hip-hop shit. want to say. Nah, you guys were more than underground. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying. Real hip-hop shit. Y'all were doing it, man. Y'all were doing it. So we were at a point where we're like, yo, we either going to go for it or we're going to stay.

You know what I'm saying? We're trying to do bigger shit. Pharrell was doing bigger shit. He fucked with us. We love this shit. Let's see what happens.

You know? If it works, it works. If it doesn us. We love this shit. Let's see what happens. You know, if it works, it works. If it doesn't, we got more records. Pharrell, we went to Virginia.

We recorded this song with Pharrell. After I played it for them and I had to convince him and J-Roll, like, yo, this is,

this might change some shit. You know what I'm saying? They was like, eh. This was the same beat, the same record? Same record. And I'm going'm gonna tell you this though. I remember distinctly I was at telling Swift I like man. I don't really sound like our type of shit everything I said I said I said something like see if you get some more beats out of you man

This is not it and to tell me send a couple more variations or whatever you call it, you know I mean just so we can see what else he got right and Swift was like nah, man He said this is gonna be a hit-ass record, nigga. He said, watch. He said, Pharrell said, when you play this record, when you do it live, he said, you want to do some... Never two beats ever. He'll never know that shit. You know the same freestyles I did to that record?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I got like 12 different freestyles. Oh, shit. But I remember we went to, we flew to Virginia, and to tell you the truth, I knew he was cracking with your shit, you know what I'm saying? But I didn't like that beat. You know what I'm saying?

You didn't like that beat? I didn't like that beat. I liked your beat, nigga. You know what I'm saying? You didn't like that beat? I didn't like that beat. I liked your beat. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I didn't think it was. It took a while to get on the same page. Y'all beat was harder to me.

Wow. But I'm going to tell you this. Pharrell sold that shit. Like, Pharrell was like, and he made me think different as a producer. Like, hey, if you got to. Okay, but how he sell it? Describe it to us.

Because he told us, look, when you start doing this show live in shows, bitches is going to get on stage and pull their titties out. He said that? He said, don't do this song without bitches on stage. And ever since then, we ain't had to do this song. I was like, oh, for real? Well, this is...

Yo, y'all took his advice? And we took his advice. And he does exactly what he said. And in the first show we did, did and we did that song what happened? Cracky, cracky. That's all, that's all. People don't realize that that's This guy's a visionary.

Titties out and we start recording every one with titties out. He sees titties in the future. Oh yeah, he saw it. Future titties. This is big up for our future Titties. Watch it right now. Future Titties watcher. He had the vision, bro, and we went with it,

and it worked. So, hey. And it did well. That's one of the most records we ever sold. Wow. Single wise. Now, let me just ask y'all,

because at the time, Loud is very heavily produced by you. Yeah. Produced by... Havoc. Havoc. Havoc. Reduced by RZA.

RZA. Mm-hmm. Was that like a discrepancy bringing it back to the table and saying, yo, Steve, I want to, you know, fuck with a person

that I heard, you know, doing something outside of the camera? Not at all. Because y'all was very self-contained. Yeah. At loud. Like, we was looking

from the outside in, but even exhibit out, like you said, you produced that. Right. So we're looking like... Like, I was looking from the outside in. But even Exhibit Out, like you said, you produced that. Right. So we're looking like, I think EFN just alluded to that. We thought you brought Exhibit in. Exhibit was already in.

No, I brought it in. We brought it in. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. No, I'm telling you what made that whole process real easy, really easy, was Chris Lighty. Wow. Chris Lighty made that shit. I'm telling you. Yo, Chris has been talked about. Chris Lighty made that shit.

I'm telling you. Chris Lighty was our guy. He loved us, bro. He went to... He made that happen. That was all Chris Lighty. All the behind the scenes. Creatively, we got with Pharrell. He came to Korea, played a song. But all the shit,

the politics that made it happen. And Chris was down with Loud. Chris was doing some consulting He came to Korea play song but all the shit the politics and made it happen and a Christmas man is y'all No, Chris was doing some consulting with loud for me But but but push the T was that our studio Doing the song with with with for at that time like it was a it was a camp going on Yeah, but now Chris Lighty man recipe he He made he made moves for us on that, you know what I mean?

And he didn't even represent us. He was, you know, we knew Chris from when we went on tour. Our first big tour as alcoholics was with Tribe

called Quest and They Got Soul. So we developed a good relationship. And was y'all opening up for Tribe and they like? At first we was and then we started

killing shit and then they was opening for us a couple shows. So we would start taking turns. Who, Tribe? Yeah, we would take turns with them and De La Soul.

It was fun, man. We did a little rotation and shit. It was a great time. We started off that tour. This was our first big shit as alcoholics. So we started off that tour

driving ourself. We rented a Cadillac, had all our fucking... Followed their tour bus. Followed their tour bus. We behind it. Yeah. Yeah, so we, you know,

by the end of that tour, we had a tour bus. You know what I'm saying? So we worked our way up. It was dope. Yeah, so it was an experience. Like a monster. Sure.

The power of drink chance. They all just text us and there's a picture with Drake and Kanye West together. God damn it. ago. Sure. The power of drink chance. They all just text us and there's a picture with Drake and Kanye West together. God damn it. Nice. That's big.

That's big. Good shit. I mean, we did that. It took a minute. Y'all did that. We did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Own that shit, man.

Cheese, Louise, Papa Cheese. So, there was no hold back, like, because although the record is not

Commercial at all Right But Pharrell's Name was commercial Because he had The success of Superdog Oh no

All that By the way You have no idea How many people I brung Pharrell to I brung him to Jay-Z I brung him to Nas And they was telling me

I swear to God They were saying Yo his chain is too tight. They told you that? Yeah, I said it. No, I know you said that, but they told you that? Yeah, I forget which one was which, and then the other one was like,

yo, yo, your man's shirt, man, can he breathe? And I'm like, what? I'm like, yo, I'm the furthest thing about thinking about that, because that's the first thing that they only looking at for not Chad at all Chad wasn't in around Chad bro What I'm trying to say is

brah has always been the forefront of the group right and Pharrell wasn't shy like the thing about it is I told him when he sat right here where y'all brothers are sitting right now and I said do you remember what you told me the first time he goes no and I said you told me

that if I listen to you I'll go number one and you also told me do not close my album out. What album? Your beat being the last. And he's so humble now because he's rich and shit. He's like rich, rich, right? So he's so humble that he went like this

because he could not debate with me. He couldn't even fathom of how cocky he was back then because the more money he made, the more humble he became. This is great. I like that, too. That's the way it goes. That's the way it should be. I like that, too.

But I say that to say this. Was there any discrepancies between you and the label or between you and you fellas to say that, you know what? Even because that beat is not commercial to me at all. That beat is really hip-hop. Right. But people could have took it as commercial

because of the other success of his records prior to that. Did you ever receive any backlash for that? Like, oh, the Licks is trying to go commercial. Yeah, yeah, we got that. But see, the whole thing

is that we thought that if we were going to do a radio sounding song, like that song's a radio song. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, that's the way movies shit. But we said

If we gonna do it We gonna do it our way Radio And they It sold a lot of records But it wasn't Cause of radio You know what I'm saying

Cause another shit I'm gonna say this Loud Let us do What we wanted Period And that And that was

One of the key things That kept us there For fucking 10, 12 Years It's like We had A&R's But we didn't have A&R You know what I'm saying one of the key things that kept us there for fucking 10, 12 years is like we had A&Rs but we didn't have A&Rs.

You know what I'm saying? We didn't have nobody sitting in there like yo, that's a radio single. We turned in an album and that was the album. You know what I'm saying? They kept it.

And that was it. It didn't focus your creative control. But it was working though at that time. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, you're going gold

and shit like that with me. I was doing it. Yeah, and that was with every group. You know steve would try to come and sit in the studio a couple times just to but it it wasn't unnecessary like we turned in albums and that was it like there wasn't no go back and fix this go back we need one of these kind of songs it was it didn't seem like that live though no. No, not at all. So let's turn to the part where you guys didn't want to be at Loud. What was that point? Was that a point?

Or was that at Loud? It was never a point. Really? They shut the doors, man. They put everybody on the shelf. Loud closed. But Sony bought him out. Sony bought him.

When Sony bought him out, that was it. And then it was Loud, Sony. Yeah. And then his album came out his solo album came out Rap Life

right when that transition happened actually his album was already released right when that transition happened in Loud transitioned into Sony

Loud BMG cause it's Loud BMG correct it's Loud BMG going into Loud Sony going into Loud Sony now BMG let y'all

do whatever the fuck you want. But I got signed straight to Sony, though. Sony is a very... You got signed straight to Sony? This is Sony... No, no, no. You were in the transition. Oh, okay.

So your album was technically on loud BMG. Sony bought all the rights. Steve took me to Sony, but I don't think it was loud. It was just straight Sony. Yeah, so it was... Wow. And it was just a weird time for everybody. Like, Loud wasn't used to these kind of mergers.

Like, it was just weird space, you know what I'm saying? Once they dissolved the label, then we were on our own to do whatever we wanted to. You know what I'm saying? How did you prefer you to stay with Loud? Stay with Steve? Loud took care of us, bro. That was family. Steve, who's the staff?

Rich Iserson. That's his exact name. Love you, Rich. Like, Rich kept us... Big up to Rich. He was the president of DevZam a couple months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They took care of the artists. Shout out to the street teams. Buddha at the street teams, man. Shout out to that man I couldn't Ask for a better label to be on To really go through that whole experience With Loud was definitely

Steve Rifkin would love to hear that Yeah that's my guy I just had dinner with him the other day Oh yeah give it up for Steve That's my Steve He was mad as hell at me I spent holidays with his family He was mad as hell at me. I spent holidays with his family. He was mad as hell at me.

About the Kanye episode. He said, you think Kanye called me a white boy? I ain't like Kanye. I mean, Kanye calling a white boy, that's bad? Well,

the way he don't look at me. I'm just saying. Yeah. Like someone called me a Cuban boy. Okay. It was offensive. I ain't a little boy. I ain't a little boy. Are you It was offensive. Island boy. Island boy.

Are you Island boy? Are you trying to hit Jumay again? It's impossible. He said I'm Peruvian. Impossible. Are you Island boy? No, I'm not.

I am a city boy. No, you Island boy. You Puerto Rican. Island boy. No, I am New Yorker again. New Yorker. That's a big difference. New Yorker's an island boy. You're Puerto Rican. Island boy. No, I am New Yorker again. That's a big difference. New York is an island boy. No, you're a peninsula boy.

I'm a peninsula boy. So, you guys are going to. What's the first tour you said you guys went on? The first big one with us was with Tribe with a tribe called question day last night that's crazy I hold the time before that but I was like a member they do this in the promotional tour when it puts you you like 30 days but they'll pay you this video after this yeah you got the DM not a detractor was was that was our first two singles so I'm imagining we want on tour with Tribe after we just...

But Tribe was on job at this time. Yeah. So how does Loud and Job make this deal for y'all to go on tour, even though it's promotion? It wasn't even... That's why we was in the Cadillac, nigga. They had tour bus. They labels kicked in. Loud didn't kick in shit with the rent-a-car money.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we were first-time artists. We didn't give a fuck. We was young, healthy. And this is a national tour? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 30 days. We were all the first time we was young, healthy. And this is a national tour? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. 30 days.

We were all the way to these coasts. 30 days easy. All the way back. Easy 30. No money. I'll tell you what though. Y'all fucked a lot of bitches. Yes.

Yes. Make some noise for a lot of bitches. Well, no, but we did. We did though. Everybody thought y'all was Puerto Rican. Oh, yeah. I just got that today. I was at the mall, and everybody wanted to come up to me talking Spanish.

I was like, let me stop you right here. I don't know it. I know English. Oh, I'm sorry. For the record, let's just let the people know. What's your nationality? I'm black. Black.

Light-skinned black dude. I'm light-skinned. I got Creole in my family. You're not Mexican? You're not Mexican? I'm black. Black. Light skinned, black dude. I'm light skinned. I got Creole in my family. You're not black skinned? No, no. No, not at all. I thought one of y'all was Mexican. None of y'all Mexican?

No, no Spanish. Hey, my name Rico. No, no Spanish. And your name Rico? Yeah, my government is Rico. You're Cuban, man. Come on, Tash. You Cuban.

Light skinned, black dude. But that was my announcement, though. You're announcing you're Cuban? That's fun. You got another team, man. You're Cuban. You're Cuban. announcement, though. You're announcing you're Cuban? That's fun. You got another team.

No, I'm announcing that all the light-skinned people all over the earth have declared me their leader. Oh, is that right? You, Albie, Sean, Drake? Oh, yeah. So shout out to Albie, Sean, Drake. Damn, you, Albie, Sean, Drake. That's my comrades right there. Light-skinned love to all the light-skinned brothers. Jesus. Damn, you, Al B. Shore, and Drake? That's my comrades right there. LightSkill loves all the LightSkill brothers.

Jesus. It's been good. It's been fantastic. I got to take a pee-pee. Pee-pee. I got to take a pee-pee. I'm sorry, D. I can't let you leave. I got to take another shot with you.

Let's do it. Are we taking shots with Z-Switch? Close up. I'm in. I'm going let you leave. I got to take another shot with you. Let's do it. Are we taking shots with Z-Switch? Close up. I'm in. I'll take a shot with you, bro. Let's do it. I'm still a work in progress. Yeah, I'm a work in progress.

Yeah, I'm still a work in progress. Are you going to lock the door? I was just going to do a joke. We lock the doors. I thought you just said he could go lock the door. I said, wait a minute, my brother. We're not in safety like that. We don't need a lock on doors.

I'm going to sit this shot out. No, no, no, Hakim, you cannot do it. It's not the word of the word, huh? Come on, I'm going to take a pee-pee too. I'm going to take a pee-pee too. Let's go. Wait, wait, I said a shot, then take a pee-pee. Come on.

Oh, let's take a shot, take a pee-pee. Yeah, take a shot, then a pee-pee. That's the way it works. Take a shot, pee-pee. Pee-pee shots. Pee-pee shots. Pee-pee shots, all right, all right. You're going to have me sitting still for like an hour

after this. No, this is how you got to endure a week. Dale cabron. Akeem, this is what we do. Bangada. Bangada. And we die every time. OK, you got to.

I tried to give you the minimum. We got to finish the shot, though. Yeah, yeah, we're going to finish it. Let me come back. Chichi get the yayo? Salute. Yeah. Yay! and then we come back salute as many of y'all know

Drink Chance wants to give flowers while people are here to receive them giving flowers and celebrating our legends while they can still smell them we have partnered with What The Flower to create this movement where everyone can give flowers to the legends in their lives you can now order a custom flower box for the someone you want to show appreciation to

by visiting www.wtflower.com and place your orders now. This is fire. I love this. Alright, we don't know if y'all know our show is about giving flowers. So we want to give y'all flowers while you're here so many people want to give people flowers when they're gone and they that's not us our show is about giving people their flowers while they're alive showing them face to face man to man out of that we love y'all we appreciate y'all we understand what you did for hip-hop and we love what you did for hip-hop and if it wasn't for y'all in certain

ways it probably wouldn't even be y'all legends man so we want to always do that and we want y'all to have your flowers face to face man oh shit and j-ro got here too so please take it to j-ro as well and those those are gold-plated roses that last 10 years. Wow. So please don't throw them away. They're gold-plated roses. Wow. Shout out to What The Flowers, M.I.A.

Wow. What The Flowers. You good? You good? All right. Can y'all catch this? Yeah, man. Yo, hey, man.

We definitely appreciate it. No, we love y'all, man. Y'all legends, man. We just started this recently, but y'all, man. Y'all legends, man. We just started this recently, but y'all like the tent to be honest. I'll take that. But it's beautiful. This is dope.

We say that and you know, being a hip-hop legend clarifies you as a superhero. I'm not trying to floss, but the other day, people hit me to go on this Twitter conversation, right? And this Twitter conversation occurred about the heart of A4.

And then, you it's a Twitter conversation with Jay-Z and all these people and then Jay-Z asked me what do you think about the movie and I said

this is the X-Men and he goes well what do you mean about the X-Men I said I feel like that's what hip hop is we're all the X-Men

everyone has a special power yeah you know just like the X-Men like everyone has a special power.

Everyone has a, you know, alright, cool, the LSD, the LSD, the fucking bar hooks,

the LSD, you know, the LSD, way to discover, but it's all X-Men quality shit.

I feel like all of us are superheroes. I feel like, and not only, not only we're superheroes like all of us are superheroes. I feel like, and not only, not only we're superheroes, we're birthing superheroes. Wow. That part.

And, I just want to show y'all love to y'all face. Y'all are real legends. Wow, man. Real, real legends. We respect you. We want to continue to show you guys love.

And it's what it is, man. You brothers are legends. And real quick, I just want to say real quick, man. Legitimately, when we say you guys are legends, you guys are legends. No, serious. I appreciate that. There will be no drink champs. And I say, obviously, there could be a drink champ without the alcoholic foot.

In hip-hop terms, there is a direct lineage to what you guys did. You know what I'm saying? And for myself, I was super inspired by you guys. I love you guys. I'm Miami? And for myself, like, I was super inspired by you guys. I love you guys. I'm Miami by way of L.A. Right. So, and the way that I love hip-hop, you guys spoke to me personally.

And I love everything you guys did, man, for the West Coast and for hip-hop in general. This is dope. Man, let's still do it. I appreciate y'all. This is big, man. This is a soul training. This is big, man.

This is the talking. I'm going to tear it up. I'm going to tear it up. I'm going to tear it up. I'm going to tear it up. I'm going to tear it up. I'm going to tear it up. You know, like that before. Nah, man.

I'll strip it, man. That came out of nowhere. We appreciate y'all, man. Thank you, guys. We love you guys, man. Hand it down. Dope as shit on the internet. Likewise, man.

You know what I'm saying? Congratulations to y'all, man. Nah, thank y'all. You know, we've known each... We know each other for a while, man. And to see some of my people man. You guys might not remember, but you guys been on my mixtape for years. Oh, no, that's what I'm saying.

I met y'all throughout the years. Of course. Where you going? You be, you be. No, I'll tell you this. In closing, this dude bet me. We was back at the house and everything. Remember when I came to your...

I forgot what show. When I came and freestyled at your show. You've done a lot of shit, a lot of shit. But he bet me some money that I couldn't remember the rap I said on your show. Yeah, but hold on. And I remembered it. I was about to ask you what it was. You remembered it?

Look at this party people, it's Catastrophe from the world famous alcoholic clique. I'm chilling with the homeboys. DJ EFN, listen, you fucking with tonight hydraulic alcoholic hydro water I can't tell you what my plan is y'all be quick to try and spoil it I call it like I see it I 3-2-3 it my life is like a movie so we had to DVD it I be with my homie Scotty from the YAs we smoking okie dokie like smokey from Fridays my mind plays tricks on y'all who wanna do it Nigga, if the few spit, rock it with your new shit

I spit that dangerous language Some niggas bang that gay shit You ain't the one for action I ain't the one to play with Fuck if you rich or famous You do the calculations You up the match and hidin' I'm up the street on datin' Skatin' waitin' patient for the click to pick a victim Alcoholics, KT, peep the hoes, they kick it with them Models and actresses, bounce off our mattresses KT a pimp with his, Katash a mac with his

I come and smack your back with Katash And the motherfuckin' shit in it to win With DJ EFN, we just blend this shit like juice and gin We come through, nigga, we got a hundred thousand to spend Who wanna do it? It's liquid movement Fuckin' power movement, everything is home improvement I pass the mic to J-Ro Cause he wanna be the next on the flow

I put it down, we straight professionals since 94 It's going down like this, don't even trip It's catastrophe, you motherfucking bitches Yo, remember I asked you that I feel like I'm a certified alcoholic, right? Of course. But I have no memory. How the fuck do you have all your memory?

I don't, nigga. You don't? He drinks. He drinks. He don't know what. All I said was, all I said was, I play this shit so much that

it's like a song, like an Isaac Berlin song or something that you just hear so much you just know the words. Oh, I thought you just had Your I don't know if you remember I don't know if you remember

Wednesday Our second album When we were mastering Our You probably don't remember this We was mastering Our second album You were in the room

Battery Battery Studios Mastering Okay I forget the name Oasis or some shit Yeah okay It's in New York

Yeah it's in New York We're mastering our album In one studio You're in the next Oasis or some shit Yeah okay It's in New York Yeah it's in New York We're mastering our album In one studio You're in the next one Mastering your shit I actually think That's when I heard The first time I heard

The joints you did With Pharrell And I was like Oh we need Yeah you've been Turning 98 We need to turn A couple more knobs

Over here Cause your shit was Yeah yeah You've been talking About Pharrell I didn't get it Until you did your joint So I heard I heard other things Like maybe one or two songs But when I heard that Yeah, yeah. You be talking about Pharrell, I didn't get it until you did your joint.

So I heard other things, like maybe one or two songs. But when I heard that, I realized he's a hip-hop motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He didn't dress hip-hop at the time. I know. He almost dressed like Prince, almost.

But there was a lot of that going on, though. It wasn't like rare to see somebody. I don't know what it was. No, but at the time, you had to have baggy clothes on. Yeah, you had to be baggy. Call hard. You know what I'm saying but no, but it's all right. Our first video, I got it bad, y'all. I had on the hat all day. Yo, what was the best thing you was ever doing? Yeah, the best thing.

We only had a couple of moves. All dudes can do that dance, bro. That's the two-step. You ain't really playing yourself, man. You're like, fuck, you pissed motherfucker. I'm in. Tresh had that shit down pat. Tresh killed it.

Oh, Tresh is the best. He was the best. Tresh took it. Yeah, he did that. That's what LeBron gets his shit from. Oh, yeah, he did that joint. Think about it. He killed that.

Real shit, though, man. That's crazy Yo listen Again let me reiterate this You guys are legends We appreciate you guys We love you guys man Back at you guys

Back at you We just want to Keep bigging you up Because That's what this show is about This show is about Making sure our legends Know that they're legends. Our legends know that they're, you know,

in the right place in history. Because sometimes, you know, you know, it's even me. It's even me. I feel like that sometimes. Like, you know, I made up this word slime and I made up this word jump off

and I made up this word haterade and they don't pick me up. Did you make up trees? Just to be clear. It's definitely the Terrence Carl people. I don't know which one of them. Okay, okay. Just to be clear. But I participated a little bit. That's all I'm gonna do.

I had a lot of fun. Okay. But that's not what this is about right now. What it's about right now Is making sure you guys Really understand The importance of your legacy Thank you And it's very important

One of the first guys we ever seen From the west coast Spitting bars Bars, bars. To us. To me. Let me not claim the whole East Coast. I don't want everyone. If I'm wrong, I don't want everyone.

Fuck the East Coast. Y'all didn't even know we had bars before the alcoholics. I don't want that. Yeah, because you get King T. I definitely don't mean it that way. That's the reason why I said, let me just take it for me. Bars, concept, the ability to have fun. Yeah.

Right. One of my favorite rappers ever is Biz Marquis, rest in peace. Rest in peace. And it wasn't because Biz was lyrical. It wasn't because Biz was out ofical. It wasn't because Biz was... But he was lyrical too. Out of this way. In his own way.

But I'm going to tell you why Biz was. Biz knew how to have fun. Yep. That's all. And I never... Of course, I met Biz. But I've never really hung out

and to know if this is true. But his raps reflected it that much that I just believed and that's how I feel about John is you know I didn't really get drunk drunk with you

that day because you came drunk already I wanted to get drunk I was like I'm on fuck with this let me get this nigga drunk and it's like

damn he came drunk already jeez Louise I'm going to claim some of it take a shot with me and it's like damn this might not be good it was like, damn, he came drunk already? Jeez Louise. Like, I'm going to claim some of it. Like, take a shot with me. And it's like, damn, this might not be good. It was like 2 in the morning.

No, no, it was daytime. I'm joking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was definitely daytime. We playing ping pong. And I said, this thing over here rapping over everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything.

But it's OK. But what I'm saying is, this is what, to me, hip-hop is. EFN, Nori, Drink Champs, we're not shit without saying to the people who came before us,

the people that came in the middle of us and the people that came after us, how much we love and how much we appreciate it. Other than that, this shit would never be here.

No, this is for you guys. We understand our legends and we wanted to guys. We understand our legends, and we wanted to have a platform for our legends to come whenever they want to talk about, you know, you want to talk about your new weed line, I think you got a weed line.

Smokeaholics. Smokeaholics. We got you some. Smokeaholics. I love it, too. I smoked it. I was taking a shit in my bathroom, and I smoked it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it, too. I love it, too. I smoked it. I was taking a shit in my bathroom.

Yeah, yeah. And I smoked it. That's the perfect time. The tip is very serious. Yeah. And I did not know. Yeah. And I'm like,

yeah, I'll show you serious. Smoking hollies is coming soon. Coming soon. That's what I'm saying. So, we want y'all to know y'all appreciate it, y'all loved, and we fuck with y'all

at Drink Champs. And this will, it was for y'all home back then. fuck with y'all. Man. At Drink Champs. And this will, it was for y'all home back then. It's y'all home in the middle. And this will be y'all home to the end. Appreciate y'all. Salute.

We love and respect y'all. Salute. You motherfucker. We take a picture and I'm with my hat Walk me to the front Yeah, yeah Thanks for joining us

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