Drink Champs - Episode 301 w/ Papoose

Episode Date: February 11, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. This episode we chop it up with the one and only Papoose!The certified bar-lord, Papoose shares his journey, working w/ DJ Kay Slay, his monumental $1.5 million deal, releasing 12 albums in one year, his relationship with Remy Ma and much much more!Lots of great stories that you don't want to miss!Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up? It's DJ E-F-N. And this is Miller Tame. I'm here with you guys right here. This is Drink Champs. What up? Drink Champs, thank you so much! Right now, listen, you know, as I always do, you know, I do my due diligence and I do my research when I interview somebody. And I was going through this man's catalog and I was going through his bar selection.

I think you might be too good. So let me finish my intro. I actually compared this guy. I put him up there with Rakim. Wow. You know what I'm saying? When it comes to lyrical content, I believe he belonged in that era

when it comes to that. The man has to be the most loyalist person I've ever seen. Held his wife down. Thank you. Through a whole tribe. And we need more examples of that. He's a lyrical bar lord.

I mean, I don't think, I think he can rap with anybody on the track. So in case y'all don't know who the fuck I'm talking about, I'm talking about the one and only motherfucking Pat Poose, baby! Hello, hello, hello, hello. Now, I gotta ask you, right? Like, when you and your wife argue,

do y'all, like, battle rap? Like, I just thought about that. Like, when y'all have disagreements, this is like, I go in the kitchen, and y'all are like, yo, what's this? What's going to be? Honestly, I wish we did, man. Yeah, I wish we did. She would kill me if we did, but no.

I'm not going to say that. That's probably the only person that could get you. She would kill me. All right. So let's take it from the beginning, right? Because in the beginning, it was a K-Slate that you guys started with and then Busta came on, right? Yeah, yeah. Is that accurate?

So how did that K-Slate connection start? Man, I met Slate, man, just being in the hood. Hip-hop was always my dream, you know what I'm saying? And coming up in the hood, man, it was just so far from reality for me. And then one day, I was listening to the radio and I heard this dude on the radio, but he was playing new artists. And back then, if you wasn't coming through Rockefeller or Murder, Inc. or Rough Rider or one of those crews, you wasn't getting on. Was this the drama hour you were describing? Yeah, yeah.

He was on Hot 97, okay? And Slay's a super legend. And I'm listening, and I'm hearing, I'm like, this dude is playing new. All this on the radio. I need to meet this dude. So I always kept that in my mind, you know what I'm saying? And I was in the street. I got locked up, you know what I'm saying?

I found myself on the island. Not for a long time, a couple weeks. But I'm in there and I'm like, yo, man, when I get out of here, I got to go meet this dude, man. I got to change my life because this is my future. If I continue doing what I'm doing, I'm definitely going to end up, you know what I'm saying, going up north and do some time. So when I get out of here, I'm going to go meet that dude.

And I got out. I went to the studio. I recorded seven songs. You know what I'm saying? I took the picture for the cover. I had the mic in one hand and the gun in the other hand. Put my number on the CD. And I went up to Hot 97.

I looked it up. I ain't had Google or nothing. I must have used Yellow Pages or some shit. Word, word, word, word. You know what I'm saying? I went to the station and I just waited for him, man. And he came out, matter of fact, he came and he was going to work.

Gave me, yo, my name Pat Poole, man, here you go, this is my demo, you know, Slay, he took it and went in the building. I went to the radio, I'm listening, I don't hear my song. Alright, but did you ask him to play your record or not? I just gave him the joint. In my mind, I finally met a nigga

who on the radio. It's up. And that happens to him every day, you assume, you know? Most likely. So I'm listening. He ain't gonna play my shit. I'm like, damn.

I'm gonna do this shit again next week. I come back next week, I do it again. Same routine. Yo, here you go, man. Same CD or different CD? Same CD. It's seven songs.

You know what I'm saying? Yo, here you go. My name is Papoose, man. He's like, all right. He go in the building. I'm listening again. I'm like, damn, this nigga ain't play my shit again. So I said, you know what?

Next time when I go, I'm going to wait for him. And that way when he come out, he going to have to explain to me why he ain't play my music. So I'm listening. He go off at 2 o'clock. It's like 1.50. I'm like, damn, I still don't hear my song. I'm like, fuck that. Let me call up on the radio.

I call up from down in the car. He picks up. I'm like, damn, I still don't hear my song. I'm like, fuck that. Let me call up on the radio. I call up from down in the car. He picks up. I'm like, oh, shit. So he's like, yo, what's up? I'm like, yo, man, why you ain't playing my song? He's like, yo, everybody can't be a rapper, man. Some people got to be a fireman. I'm like, oh, shit, this nigga dissing me.

Told you he'd be a fireman? That was hard. That was hard. He went in. How old were you at this point? I don't remember exactly how old I was, but I was a lot younger. So I'm like, all right, when he come down, I'm going to see this nigga. You know what I'm saying?

So he come down. I'm going at him. He going at me. So the person who he was with at the time, he got in the middle of us. He like, yo, you can't do it like that. Give me the CD. I got you, man. I'm like, all right, whatever, man.

I spin off. I'm back in the hood again. Now I'm in a situation where I'm about to throw my life away. Right, right. And my phone ring, while I'm in the midst of that, it's Slay on the phone.

He like, yo, you on the radio next week. I'm like, wow. And then I went up there. He had Prodigy up there, rest in peace. Wow, rest in peace. We spit live on the air

and the rest was history, man. Oh, that's good, y'all. That's good. So eventually Busta Rhymes becomes a part of this. How is that? good, y'all. That's good, man. What? So, eventually, Busta Rhymes becomes a part of this. How was that? Busta's hearing you

on the radio? Yeah, yeah. I started, me and Slay started flooding the streets with a lot of mixtapes and shit. And Busta heard

what we was doing and eventually he reached out. Like, yo, I want to fuck with this kid named Papoose, man, you know what I mean? And we did a couple records together here and there

and eventually he put me on that big one. Well, I'll touch it. Yeah, that shit changed my life, man. I couldn't go to the mall no more after that. You know what I mean? And we did a couple records together here and there, and eventually he put me on that big one. Well, I'll touch it. Yeah, that shit changed my life, man. I couldn't go to the mall no more after that. You know what I'm saying? Word. This is before Remy, right?

Nah. I met Remy like 0-4. No, I'm sorry. I met Slay in 0-4. I met Remy like around late 0-4, 0-5. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to be bouncing around.

Let's get some champagne, buddy. By the way, your drink, I always pay attention to the artist's drink order. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to be mousing around. Let's get some champagne, buddy. By the way, your drink, I always pay attention to the artist's drink order. Okay, okay. And your drink order was out of line.

Oh, word. You picked Hennessy and Don P. We are drinking D'Ussé, because it's black-owned, and we're drinking A.S.P.A.D., okay, sir?

I ain't mad at you. We ain't mad at you. I ain't mad at you. So we like to show our card over here, man. Yeah, you should have told me. I would have brought it, man. I would have brought it.

I'll come with my brothers. You're awesome. We got you, brother. Say no more. Let me ask you something. Like I said, I'm going to bounce around a little bit. How come you ain't never have a relationship with Rockefeller? Or is there a quiet relationship?

Nah, never had a... Because me and Queens think all y'all Brooklyn niggas know each other. Oh, word? That's funny as hell. I mean, I fuck with Bleak. You know what I mean, I fuck with Bleak, but, you know what I mean? I fuck with Bleak now, but back then, I really didn't. Matter of fact, me and Bleak actually did a mixtape back then, too. Really?

But I never had a relationship with them like that, you know what I'm saying? Because you got to understand, Slay signed me. Right. And Slay didn't get along with it. That's right. Slay didn't get along, so that door was kind of closed for me. Wow, I never even put two and two together like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

You know what I'm saying? The history was a little shaky. Right, right. You know what I mean? Right, right. That makes sense. That makes sense. Would you ever want to do a record with Jay or connect with him?

Hell yeah. I would love to. You know what I'm saying? It was a time where I did an interview and I said a couple things in the interview. Yeah, I was about to ask you about that. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Explain that.

Explain that. Well, you know, I did an interview. I forgot what it was. I think it was the Daily News or some shit like that. I did a long-ass interview. And somewhere in the interview, they was like, yo, you know what I mean? Do you think you're the best? I said, yeah.

They said, better than Jay-Z? I said, yeah. They said, next thing I know, that was the headline. Fuck all the other shit I spoke about. I thought it was King of New York. I thought it was, was it? No, no, that was a whole other situation. I knew it. You got a couple of them.

But they just took that part. Pat Pooh says he's better than Jay-Z. You know what I'm saying? The interview wasn't even about that. Right. I mean, but whatever. Right. And that was that.

So it went on from that. Then I went in the studio. I said, I backed it up. I doubled down on it. You know what I'm saying? I went in the studio. I said, I backed it up. I doubled down on it. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. I said, I'm better than, you know what I mean? Whatever, whatever.

And then eventually I met him, though. He showed me love, though. He's like, yo, you competitive, man. I like that. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because he sees everything. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Like, word. So that's crazy. Yeah, man. That makes a lot of sense. Now, like I said, I was going through your stuff. And, like, your bars is really, really complicated. It's really, like.

You think so? I can tell that you really think it all the way through. Like, your shit just makes sense. My favorite shit right now is Bucket Hat Low. Okay. Oh, with Russ. You and Russ? Shout out to Russ. Yeah, shout out to Russ my favorite shit right now is Buckethead and Lo. Okay, oh, with Russ. With you and Russ? Shout out to Russ. Yeah, shout out to Russ.

Oh yeah, yeah, shout out to Russ, man. That shit put some type of shit in me. Like, I was like, ooh, listening to that. Can we, you got that? Go look it. Can you see if you can look at that? Yeah, can you play that? Yeah, shout out to Russ, man.

This is a different type of, and that's his record or that's your record? Nah, that's his joint. That's his joint. That's his joint. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bring up the Russ you want to come back to, right? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, pick him up. Shout out to Russ, man. Yeah, which one Pick up the rust you want to come back to, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, pick him up. Shout out to rust, man. Yeah, which one of you said was the cold one, Lee? Damn, I forgot. Yeah, that, yeah, put it, play that for me. We don't even do this. We don't even play music. Oh, word?

This first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's up. That does something to me, man. That's what's up. Yeah. The bass is going to the back. Woo!

Now, you got to say, who were the influences behind? One of your first looks was Cool G-Rap right? Yeah definitely man When I was younger a friend of mine He introduced me to G-Rap I spit for him And we did a song called Home Sweet Funeral Home On Roots of Evil album

That's dope Shout out to G-Rap man Big brother right there Shout out to G-Rap He gotta come outside I said that on the last episode right? Yeah man He gonna get mad at me

But I'm saying it G-Rap you gotta come on You gotta come on Drink Champ bro A Yeah man He gonna get mad at me But I'm saying it G-Rap you gotta come out You gotta come on Drink Champ Oh yeah A lot of niggas got their style From G man Yeah A lot of people

Top five So who's your top five My top five is G-Rap Kane Biggie Nas And KRS-One

That's a good five Who Rock Kim Rock Kim Honorable mention man I need a six I need a six I need ten really Nas, and KRS-One. That's a good one. Or Rakim. Rakim, honorable mention, man. I need a six. I need ten, really, bro. Right. I got to put the R in there. Let's go to ten.

Let's see where you go to ten. Okay, I got to put the R in there, number six. I got to put Big Pun, number seven. I got to put Tupac, number eight. I got to put Busta Rhymes number nine. And no particular order, my wife, man. No Tupac. I mean, no.

I said Park. You said Park. Yeah, I said Park. No Hov. Lyrically, I don't got Hov on my top. I mean, on a business level, though, Hov is crazy. You're a troublemaker, man. You're a troublemaker. You're a troublemaker. I know, man. You know what's crazy. You're a troublemaker, man. You're a troublemaker.

You're a troublemaker. I know, man. Yo, you know it's crazy. I'm going to be honest with you. You better be careful. That nigga said, you better be careful. Listen,

I'm going to be honest with you. When Reasonable Doubt first came out, I did not like it. I mean, I can say this, man. When Reasonable Doubt first came out, I wasn't crazy about it. I wasn't. But, now, I can say this, man. When Reasonable Doubt first came out,

I wasn't crazy about it. I wasn't. But now, I look back at the shit he was saying. Yeah, I was broke. And how he lived all of that shit out. Yeah. I got a whole new respect for it. But at the time, I was not.

I always tell him, or I tell his people, I was broke. So all that big boy talk, I felt like he was frosting on me. So you couldn't relate to it? Yeah. Because if you say you got money, you say you broke nigga, go switch your lanes. Switch your lanes. Boy talk I felt like he was Frosting on me So you couldn't relate to it Yeah Like cause if If you say you got money

And say you broke niggas Go switch your lanes Switch your planes And shit like that You're like You're talking to me Right right right Damn you looking

Looking at this shit You like You know what I mean Like he always made me Feel like that Like to a certain extent Like I always say this story When niggas in Paris came out

And we was going to a club And I went with one of my friends And one of my friends Asked me to borrow money And I gave him some bread And we was going to a club And I went with one of my friends And one of my friends asked me to borrow money And I gave him some bread And we go in the club And my friend is in there Talking about What's 50 grand to a nigga like me

Would you please remind me I'm like it's a lot nigga What do you mean I'm sorry man I'm bugging out But yeah that's crazy That's crazy So moving on

At one point I felt like you thought you were blackballed. Oh, yeah, definitely. I definitely was. Do you think that really exists in this industry, blackballing? Yes, absolutely. Explain that to the people or a new artist who's going to go through this. Basically, it's another word for hate.

You know what I'm saying? Niggas hate on you or if they're intimidated by you, they'll find a way to prevent you from reaching your potential in this game. And it really exists. You know what I'm saying? Executives, DJs, like niggas will blackball you and will hate on you. I definitely felt

victim to that early in my career. I think at one point you was alluding to you thought that Rockefeller was blocking you. It wasn't me that said that. A lot of people always said that. Like, it always haunted me. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people, like, I get,

I probably get a message like that once a year. Like, yo, Pat, man. They blocking you? Niggas blocking you, you know what I'm saying? Nah, he had real talk, you know what I'm saying? But me personally, you know what I mean? I never experienced it, you know what I'm saying? But I heard it a lot, to be honest with you.

But it would have been because of the Slay connection? I don't know what it was for, you know what I mean? All I could do was assume, because you know what they mean? I never experienced it, you know what I'm saying? But I heard it a lot, to be honest with you. But it would have been because of the Slay connection? I don't know what it was for. You know what I mean? All I could do was assume because, and you know what they say about assuming. I never had no problem

or no issues with nobody over there, you know what I'm saying? But to answer Nori's question, yeah, I heard that a lot throughout my career. And like,

what were signs that you felt that, like, you was trying to get records added to the radio and how was you feeling? Well, basically, when I met Slay, you know what I mean,

luckily, I was fortunate enough that I created a real serious buzz quick. Right, right. And, you know, a lot of people was fucking with me. I was touring. That's like a million-dollar deal with Jive, right? Yeah, eventually. Let's make some noise for that.

Let's not look over that. Let's not look over that. Yeah, it was a rough ride, man. Look at it like, I put it like this. I met Slay in 04. I didn't get a deal until like 07. Wow. That's how hard niggas was blocking me.

Yeah, that's crazy. But I was touring and, you know what I mean? I was so consistent that I still was able to shine. But every time I got a good record. Mad mixtapes? Oh, yeah. I had like 20-something mixtapes. But every time I got a good record, you know what I mean?

They wouldn't fuck with it. You know what I'm saying? They wouldn't play it. And, pardon me, very interesting that you bring that up, because I did an interview on The Breakfast Club the other day, and Envy actually shouted to Envy. I respect him for being honest. He actually admitted it. What did he say? He's just pulling

footage out. Don't take my word for it. What did he say? Tell us what he said. He said, yo, when Pat first came out, you know what I'm saying, I didn't play his record because I had a problem with Slade. He said it on camera, you know what I'm saying, I didn't play his record because I had a problem with Slade. He sat on camera, you know what I mean? And I already knew that. Also, he wasn't the only one.

He wasn't the only one that felt like there was a lot of DJs like that. You know what I'm saying? Damn, that's what DJs be hating on each other. You think it was an organized blackballing? They all stick together. They all communicated this to each other? They got DJ teams. No, I know that.

I know that part. I'm just saying. Okay. So you fuck Wando, but everybody's standing down on your shit. Because when I met Slay, and I thought it was all good. I'm thinking everything in the industry I see is real. So I'm like, okay, I fuck with Slay. He work at the radio.

I'm good. So when I started taking my music to niggas, and niggas was acting funny, I go back to Slay, I'm like, yo, Slay, what's up with these niggas? And in all honesty, it's probably looking for outside looking in, it's probably like, you already got Slay, what you need me for? Not really, though, because he on once a week at 12 o'clock at night.

I need to be on date to have a career. You need to have a music career, you need stations, a bunch of pictures. So I'm trying to build relationships, and niggas is acting funny. So I'm like, yo, Slay, what's up? He's like, oh, fuck you niggas. I'm like, nah, we need them.

So eventually now, me, I'm from the street. You know, unfortunately, I was young and ignorant, which I shouldn't have never did. We started putting hands on certain niggas. Putting hands and feet on DJs. And I fucked up. I made it worse. I made the bad situation worse.

You know what I'm saying? Because to tell you the truth, right? Man, like, I never thought you? Man, like I never, I never thought you was blackboard. I never did. I thought maybe, you know, I was probably making

the wrong moves but I didn't think you was blackboard. But for people who says that, right? Like I watched an interview the other day

of Oli Vegas, right? Oli Vegas, he didn't say it but he was alluding to like these people didn't want him to be as big as Nas.

And I was, I wanted to say damn you have to think like that because because I'm just being honest with you I've never been as much times if I've always been around Nas been around Jay been around Puff I've never heard them even allude to even hating on another brother like I swear I swear to God. Like, I know it's like far-fetched to see, but like, as I, like, and I be always wondering, like, I asked Nas if he was blackballed, and he said he was blackballed.

Well, let me say this, man. When I met Jay-Z, he showed me a lot of love and respect, and I showed him that respect back, you know what I'm saying? Because he's a legend, he's an icon. He's everything, you know what I mean? What he say he is.

Nobody can take away from what he did, especially being from Brooklyn. You know what I mean? You got to salute him. Same with Nas. Like, Nas tried to sign me at one point. You know what I mean? I can see that. Nas reached out to me.

We met up in Little Manhattan. Me, him, and my homie O. We sat down. We ate pizza. And he was like, yo, yeah, just the three of us. I think he had one person with him. He said, Little Manhattan and pizza. Yeah, yeah.

He had pizza. He had a slice of pizza that's big. And he was like, yo, I'm going over there with Jay soon. You know what I'm saying? At Def Jam, I want to bring you over there. Right. You know what I'm saying? I see big billboards for you.

All the love. And he, I said, send an agreement. You know what I mean? It was nice. I mean, I grew up listening to him. Right. And he sent the contract over. You know what I mean?

And Slay was like, man, nah, man. This nigga, man. This ain't a good one, Pat. This ain't a good one? And Slay is my big brother. You know what I mean? And Slay was like, man, nah, man, this nigga, man. This ain't a good one, Pat. And Slay is my big brother, you know what I'm saying? You're big up to Slay, by the way. Yeah, big up to Slay, man. Hope it get well soon. Hope you're doing better here, Salute. Definitely, man.

He in that drink, Chaps. Hope you're doing better. Definitely, man, yeah. So, you know. Got to sip that to make it count. Just to credit those. Just to double down on what you said about those two, man. I never seen no hate from none of them.

Right, yeah. I've never, because, like, in order for it to be blackball, right, them to be a part of a blackball system, you got to have some type of hater in you. You understand what I'm saying? Like, there's been times I've brung things to them, and they've been like, man, let these dudes live. You know what I'm saying?

I'll say it off camera because I'm getting a little deep, but I've always heard them let it go. I've never seen one of them be like, yo, man, you know what? Let's do it. I see Kanye do that shit. Oh, word. Word. I see. Ye is a different nigga, my man.

Oh, word. He's a different nigga. If he want to shut you down, he going to. Oh, word. He's a different nigga. If he want to shut you down, he going to say it, too. Like, he going to wear it on his sleeve. Oh, word. Straight up. He's not going to hide it. But you know what it is with that situation?

I don't even like to speak about it because I'm in a good space, man. It didn't work. I mean, now. No, but you know why I want to speak about it. But it happened, though. Like, with me, that's why I don't like to speak about it because a lot of niggas claim it. Right. And it's not true.

But if you look at my situation, the shit is real. Like the nigga Envy just said it on the breakfast club the other day, basically, you know what I mean, on the camera.

I have Gilly and Gilly always say that he thought that. He did, he did. I didn't see that. He said he always, and I always be like, my nigga,

I don't even think that nigga thought about you. I'm sorry. He said, shut up about nigga Gilly. Yeah, get him out of here. Get him out of here. I'm cool. But he always says that

back in the, he said he loves podcasting because no one can't block him in podcasting. So what he's trying to say is, man, I got blocked in rap. So, you know,

I always pull it out of him on camera or off camera. I'll be like, what do you mean? And he always be like, your man. Your man. You know what I mean?

And I'm like, I'm going to be honest. The more I got to meet you, Jay, I don't think he would make a call to block any black man from getting money. I swear to God. Like, I swear to God. That makes it annoying for Jay, man. Come on, God damn it. Yeah, why not, man?

You were slow on your clap. You were slow on your clap. I see you. I see you, man. Nah, man. It's Brooklyn. Brooklyn. I got to salute it.

Yeah, yeah. So, definitely. So, now, a thing that I didn't think I would see you on, and then I want to get to the EPs, 12 in a month, right? But a thing I didn't expect to see you on, and you influenced me to do. Oh, really? Love and Hip Hop.

Like, you was the first person I saw on Love and Hip Hop keep their character and have your character clean. Like, you was never on no fuckery shit. You ain't throw no drinks. You ain't do no dumb shit. You was always a part of it. But what made you even want to join that? I didn't want to do it, man, for those reasons.

You know what I'm saying? I didn't want to do that shit, man. When my wife was locked up, they reached out and they wanted to document, you know what I mean, me going to visit her and supporting her and all that. And me and her spoke and we was like, nah, that's not something we want to be a part of. Because they be throwing drinks and shit. Somebody do that shit to us, you know what I'm saying? It ain't going to visit her and supporting her and all that. And me and her spoke and we was like, nah, that's not something we want to be a part of because they be throwing drinks and shit. Somebody do that shit to us,

you know what I'm saying? It ain't going to be good. But when we came, when she came home, we spoke about it again. They came with another offer and she was like, yo,

it might be good because you got a bad reputation and I got a bad reputation. Maybe we can show people that we are human. Like we got a family, you know what I'm saying? That was her decision?

Yeah, she did. She kicked it to me just like that. she's a gangster. She's a gangster. Because you know what? If you did. You know what I'm saying? That was her decision? Yeah, she did. She kicked it to me just like that. She's a gangster. Because you know what? You know what's crazy? I forced Capone

to do that season. Capone was supposed to be on that season. But they couldn't tell us that y'all was doing it. We knew that we would have signed on immediately. But I begged Capone to do it. And Capone told everybody, how you going to tell me to do love and hip-hop and he ain't going to do it? Idiot, I would have did it.

Who are you talking about? But when I saw, it was the integrity. Like, you guys stayed the same and not only that, you guys made your image even better. Like, I wanted to be a better man. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. When I did it, though, I was expecting to get killed, man. I was like, they're going to kill me when they see this shit. Man, I'm on

one knee. I'm proposing. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no, that's a gangster shit. And just showing up. Yeah, but you know how ignorant motherfuckers is. You know what I'm saying? We get older, though. If I was getting older now, we get older.

That's a fact. It was crazy, though, when the shit aired. You know what I mean? I was bracing myself for Impact. And Ain't Nothing But Love came, man. I think people was tired of seeing it. I don't know what people, you know what I'm saying, depicted like that on the screen.

I don't know what it was. Right. But I ain't getting nothing but love from that shit. I think people was tired of seeing our people, you know what I'm saying, depicted like that on the screen. I don't know what it was, but I ain't getting nothing but love from that shit. And you still doing it? You live in Atlanta now? Nah, nah, I still live in New York. Are you doing the Atlanta edition? Nah, nah, I'm not doing it. What happened was when the COVID hit, they tried to get us

to do the one in the bubble, but then you had to you couldn't bring the baby, and my daughter was only like probably one years old at the time and we wasn't going to separate from our child like that. So we fell back, but we still doing it. We actually got a new one

coming out real soon. I think like next week. A what? Yeah. It's African genealogy or something to that degree. We went out there and they took our DNA

and they telling us where we from in Africa. You know what I'm saying? That's hard. That's one of the jokes. That's some shit you would do. I stood up. Did you travel though with it?

No, no, no. They took it like probably a year ago. So they took the DNA. And then we shot it in Atlanta. Could be dope if you went to wherever they found your genealogy. Track it back. Oh, I'm going. I'm going.

He like this type of shit. I'm going, man. I can't wait. I've never been to Africa. You know what I'm saying? So I can't wait to go. I went to South Africa recently. Oh, word.

We shot a film out there. Yeah, it's dope. Nah, I can't wait to go. They always used to scare me about Africa. You gotta get two shots. Yeah, you gotta take a bunch of shots. It depends where you go. They had the vaccine back then.

To go to Africa. You're like, what? I don't know if this is a white man thing or something, but they would always be like, you can't drink they water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't drink water in Mexico. It's just, that's natural, though.

Yeah, but niggas be drinking the mojitos with the ice, and that ice is the water. And they'll fuck you up, right? That's why you go straight to Mexico. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why you go straight drink, straight drink. Holy moly guacamole. So, Pat, you do love hip-hop. And is the music still there? The love for music still there?

Because, like I said, you guys not only had a strong image, it actually made you a star. It actually did what hip-hop was meant to do for you. You got through a whole nother alleyway. Yeah, man. That's what happens, man. When they hate on you,

that's what happens, man. Right. You know what I mean? God finds another way for you to shine. At that time, I made more money off of television than I ever made in hip-hop. You know what I'm saying?

Shout out to Mona Scott, man. We love you. With the camera. Mona, I love you, man. You can tell them checks is good. You see how his face turned, yo? And it was serious, too. He wanted niggas to know, like, man, here, man.

Oh, yeah, man. I'm over there, baby. Nah, I made a lot of money, man. I always say it, man. Every chance I get, man. I made a lot of money on television. So that's what happens, man. You know what I mean?

That wasn't my plan. It just happened like that. And doing it your way, which is... Yeah, yeah. We wasn't going to go up there and make a fool out of ourselves. You know what I'm saying? And fall into the dumbness. We actually let them know.

You know what I mean? So they kept it clean, man. They ain't play no tricks or nothing. That's dope. Like my bad Ray J. I spoke to Ray J the other day. He said, yeah, man, I think it's over for me and on this. That's dope. Like my bad Ray J, I spoke to Ray J the other day. He said, yeah, man,

I think it's over for me and my wife. And I'm going, really? He goes, yeah, so I'm not arguing with her until the cameras are cut on.

I said, what? The nigga said he's saving that. The nigga said, he's saving his arguments. Wow. For the camera, I can't do that.

I was like, Ray J, you too much invested into this shit, my nigga. Yeah, see, that's what I wasn't going to do. I wasn't Ray J, you too much invested into this shit. Yeah, yeah. See, that's what I wasn't going to do.

I wasn't going to go up there and, you know, make a fool out of myself. Right. But it looked like you and Remy never argued. It looked like y'all never had problems. I mean, we human, man. Everybody go through their shit, you know what I mean? Okay, okay, cool. Everybody go through their shit.

But it's not about the argument, man. It's about admitting when you wrong. Because you're not always right. I mean, you or your partner. So, you know, when she was locked up, I couldn't touch her. So all we had was communication. Like when I'd visit her, they would say, put your hands on the table, shit like that.

So we spoke a lot, and throughout that communication, we learned even if it's a disagreement, if she's speaking, I got to be quiet. And then when I'm speaking, she got to be quiet. And when you do that, you really see where you was wrong at because you'd be like, oh, I made you feel like that, and that don't be your intentions. You know what I'm saying? You like my therapist right now. It's grown man shit.

It's real shit, man. It's communication, man. We disagree, but it don't really escalate to the point of negativity. And y'all both like alphas. Y'all both like go-kidders. Y'all both leaders. So that's the compromise is to sit back and just listen. Yeah, you gotta listen man

When she's talking You gotta be quiet And you take your turn now I mean that shit Work out like that All the time Do y'all ever fuck with counseling And shit like that or not

Nah we never did it We considered it though Okay One time man We considered it But it never happened yet Have you ever done it I'm thinking about it right now

You're thinking about it Word I'm thinking about it right now I did it on that boot camp thing No Nah Well boot camp was I'm no about it right now. You kind of did it on that boot camp thing, no? Nah. Well, boot camp was, I'm no marriage boot camp. Yeah, you did counseling there. Yeah, there was counseling.

Yeah. I enjoyed it. But what made you want to do it? Marriage boot camp? No, no, not that. The counseling. Like wanting to do it now. Because I've been realizing I'm still human too.

Like I still got, you know, shit. And it's not nothing to talk about. I need shit. I shit to talk about it. You know what I'm still human too. I still got shit. It's not nothing to talk about. I need to. I should talk about it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I've been thinking. And I like how Charlamagne,

you know what I mean? He speaks about counseling and therapy. To me, I just want to be a better person, man. That's dope, man. So like I said, what made you like this? I was personally seeing you when Remy was away. And I was seeing you in the club

being respectful. No woman around. Holding it down like a man. And Instagram wasn't popular back then. So you could have been popping bottles, throwing shit. What made you stay so solid like that?

Well, when you get married, man, you take vows. Right. You know what I'm saying? And you got to listen to those wedding vows when you do that because you signing up for that and you taking those vows before God. So I take that serious. I'm not going to stand here and say, you know, to love, to honor, protect,

sicking for health, richer for poor, to death do us part, and then go do the opposite. You know what I'm saying? and say, you know, to love, to honor, protect, sicking for health, richer for poor, to death do us part, and then go do the opposite. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I take that very serious, and I try to live up to it. But, so you, so the whole time, you don't have to answer this. The whole time, you don't have to. Yeah, you're a funny nigga, so you don't got to answer this.

We can answer this now, just in case. Just in case. But the whole time, you didn't have sex at all? You didn't? I had sex with my wife. Oh! We had conjugal business. Oh, damn!

That was good. All right. I thought it was rough. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. It was rough in the beginning. Oh, okay. Oh, and when y'all got married, because y'all got married up there.

Yeah, no, we got married when she blew trap. We was getting married because we didn't think she was going to blow. I didn't think she was going to. It was a bullshit case, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I didn't think so either. And, you know, when she blew trap, was getting married because we didn't think she was gonna blow I think she was gonna do this a bullshit Case and You know when we she blew trap we lost our money We had the wedding set up on a boat and all that we lost that and I'm saying so we want to get married Why she's like that. Yeah, we lost the whole shit. No me And we want to get married while she was while she was locked up

But even though like in the beginning, you know, we even know record sound and we didn't have conjugal business We still was making happen We got married over the phone at first Wow because they canceled the wedding remember when she blew they remanded her They let her go home clean up crib out and then remand right here, right there, boom. So we couldn't do nothing. So we signed the paperwork in the courtroom, and then that night we did a three-way

with the pastor, and he married us over the phone, man. Word. That's why when she came home we had the big wedding. Right. Snuck the papers

in the inside and shit. That is gangster. Let's make some noise for that. Now, Pat, I don't know if you know, but our show is about giving people who they love

while they alive who they flowers. We didn't invent that slogan, but we made it famous. You know what I'm saying? And we got everybody biting our shit now. We're going to continue

to do our shit. We want to personally give you your flowers. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? That's what's up, man. You know what I'm saying? Let me see the front there. You know what I'm saying? Come on that's what's up, man. That's what's up, man. I appreciate that. Let me see the front, dude.

You know what I'm saying? I appreciate that, man. Come on, make some fucking noise for Black Wolf, goddamn it. I appreciate that. Thank you, man. Thank you, bro. Thank you, bro.

Thank you, man. Love, love. Okay. That's a big deal, man. That's a big deal. I appreciate that. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Now, this is where the show gets a little crazy. Oh, shit. You're going to take a shot glass. You got your Brooklyn drink over there. You got your Brooklyn. You got to represent. Safari the building.

Goddamn. Make some noise for Safari. Goddamn. Oh, my God. So this is where the game. What's up? Respect. Respect.

So this is where the game get tricky. It's called Quick Time with Sly. I'm going to give you two choices. Oh, yeah. I heard about this. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to give you two choices.

All right. You can say one or the other, and you're good, or if you say both, or if you pass and say you don't want, then you have to take a drink. Okay. But alright, pretty much, I think you're going to slide through this. And we drink with you. And we drink it with you, so you ain't

by yourself, don't worry about it. Okay, that's cool. Okay. Big L or big punt? You got to drink immediately. That's a good one to drink to. That's a good one to drink to. Okay, let's go. Okay, big owl or big plant That's a tough one ain't That's a tough yo bleep I'm here interviewing pack holes.le. That's my man. And Safari just walked in with you. That's three Brooklyn niggas.

Y'all Brooklyn niggas is proud of me. What's going on? Bleak, my nigga. All right, cool. He said, what's up? Bleak, what up, bro? That's Pat right there. I'm going to hit you as soon as I finish this.

As soon as I finish this. All right, cool, cool. The nigga's mad ghetto answering the fucking phone Hold on I gotta take the drink is he drank right? Shot it up Alright my bad man boyRap or KRS-One? Oh, shit. All right, hold on. Wait for us to decide.

Wait for y'all. Salud. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Salud. Yeah, I ain't going for it. All hip-hop niggas can't answer that. That's true. Hell no.

It gets worse. Rock Kim or Big Daddy King? I'm sorry, man. You're going to kill us over here. Yeah, you're killing me right now. You did this by yourself? You made this list by yourself? Yeah, they tried to kill us.

You trapping niggas off, B. Cheers. Cheers. This one I don't know. Next one I might have to answer. Yeah. DMX or Tupac? Damn. That's hard.

I'm going with X. I love Pac though. And you was on Tupac out. We're going to get to that later. I love them both. I'm going with X though. Okay. Scarface or Ice Cube?

Scarface or Ice Cube. I'm going face. Hmm. Fat Joe or Rick Ross. Okay. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. I love quick time with slime. Push a T or five?

I got to go with Brooklyn. Okay. The locks or Mark D? Damn. You're going to get me hit today. That's what it do. Yeah, that's what this game is meant to be. Salute, salute, salute.

Yeah, I got this. Oh, I ain't look at the rest. Oh, Outkast or UGK? I'm going UGK. I'm going to throw you with Outkast. LA or Miami? Miami. I'm going Cali.

Okay, no problem. Ducey or Hennessy? Hennessy. Okay. Sorry, man. K. Slate or Funk Flex? K. Slate. That's my brother.

L. Matic or Ready to Die? I got to go Ready to Die, Brooklyn. You can't go against Brooklyn. You can't do it. I disagree, but I respect Brooklyn. I love Illmatic, but come on, man. You kidding me? The Chronicle or Eyes on Me? Or Eyes on Me, man.

Okay. Podcasts or radio? Man, I'm saying podcasts. Goddamn, make some noise right now. Okay. Rough Riders or Rockefeller? That was simple. What made you

ask me about the Rockefeller thing, though? Because I'm doing my due diligence. That's crazy. That's crazy that you heard that,

too, though. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy that you heard that too, though. G, you're in the murder, Inc. Come on, man. Those are all my guys. All right, cool. I'm in the middle. Okay.

No, no, no little Kim and Foxy questions, no more. Huh? No, take it out. Yeah, take it out, yeah, yeah. What's that, dude? Yeah, yeah, they both killed me for the same reason. We took that one out, we took that out. What do you think about- Dre or Puff Daddy? Dre or Puffy?

Yeah. Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre. I gotta keep it New York. Yeah, I respect that. Remember, you're on Revolt, too, right now, in case y'all don't got this channel. Make sure y'all down with us. Swiss Beats or Timberland?

Both of them did production on my project. Okay, yeah, yeah. Great choice, great choice. Danny hooked me up. Those are my guys. Cheers. Ye or Pharrell? I'll go with Kanye.

I'm going Pharrell. I'm going with Kanye. Ye's my man. Just to be clear. Just to be clear. Right. Primo or Pete Rock? Oh, hell no.

Those are my guys. You got to finish your shot, too. I'm watching you, man. I'm going to finish it. There you go. You're going to make finish your shot too, I'm watching you man. I know, I know, I'm gonna finish it. There you go. You're gonna make Brooklyn proud baby. I guess so man, I ain't, I ain't, what's going on? Beat Street or Crush Groove?

Um, that's hard. Better eat your eggs before I break your legs. Um, I think I'm gonna go Crush Gro eggs while I break your legs. I think I'm going to go crush groove, man. Sheila E., you know that? Come on. This is how we ended with all the quick time of slime. And I'm always interested to see how people answer this.

Because to me, sometimes this question is a complicated question, and sometimes it's just a question. It seems like there's no wrong answer. There's no wrong answer to this. Okay guys okay okay loyalty or respect noisy and I need to ask why because man loyalty will enable you to show respect to your loved ones even when they not around even if they deceased or what I mean, even if they absent of the situation, you still show that respect. So with loyalty, you really get both. Right.

I agree. See, it's either a real simple answer or a very complicated answer. Let's make some noise for that guy. That's how we do it. Yeah. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else.

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but where did that put you at that state of mind when they was beefing? Because I just remember him, you know, he went through the Cuban shit, he went through the other shit, he went through the other shit, but it was the time

that Remy was going at Joe because at the same time, 50 was going at Joe. So where was you at in your mind state when this happened? At that time, I really didn't know Joe,

you know what I'm saying? Right, right. So I really had no involvement in that, to be honest with you. I mean, it was something that was going on. I mean, I can't sit here and say I didn't know what was going on. I mean, I bear witness to it, but I had no involvement and I had no opinion because I just was like, damn, this is fucked up. I mean, Joe's a legend.

I mean, I grew up listening to Joe anyway, so to answer your question, I had no involvement. I never had met him at the time. Right. So there's no discussions of, like, you know, um, because I think she did a diss record, right? I don't, um,

did she do a diss record? Nah. She might have said a couple things here and there, but I don't think it was just like a pin streak going at you, Chuck, but nah. But she's probably said a couple lines here and there, but I don't think it was just like a pin straight going at your chugger, nah. But she's probably said a couple lines to him and some shit like that. So, you and Joe's brothers now, but, you know, it's the past.

It's the past, which loves, the past is what makes the future so beautiful. You know what I'm saying? You can't appreciate the sun unless the rain. Well, I like the rain when I like the sun. It's real shit. I'm a Pisces, so we like water. So, boom.

They have this fallout. It's public. Did you have anything to do with fixing it? Absolutely. Okay. I had a lot to do with fixing it, you know. Because, let's just be clear. After Remy came home, we all wanted Remy on the record, right? I remember that was the thing

Right, right. Well, everyone knew we had to deal with Pat Poole's No one had a line on Remy. No, there was no management There was no we no one knew nothing the whole industry. So this was on you you were almost For lack of a better term, for my man who just walked in, you were almost like Safari. Like with Nicki, you understand? Well, with me, it happened by default.

You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, at one point in the industry, and to get to Nicki, you had to go to SB. And at one point, when Remy came home, it was the same thing with you. The only people who knew how to get at Remy had to go through you. So I would say that to say, was that how, because Joe must have had to reach out to you. No, that's not what happened.

Okay. Basically, the responsibility of somewhat managing her career. He was manager. I wouldn't say career. Like pseudo-manager. I would say this. Basically, when she caught the case in Blue Trail, you know when you go in the kitchen

and you turn the lights in the hood and all the roaches scatter? Right. That's what happened. Everybody scattered. The whole team. Everybody went in a different direction. When she went in.

Yeah, when she caught the case because when you catch a case, you're in a bad light. Right, right, right. So nobody want to be around you. Nobody want to fuck with you really. You know what I'm saying? So everybody scattered.

But in the process of everybody scattering and turning their back on her, it was a lot of different things that needed to be handled. And she was behind the G wall, so she couldn't do nothing. So I just was doing what I could do to help her out. You know what I'm saying? Because she was a good person. You know what I mean? And I told her, I said, yo, if you blow trap, we still going to help her out You know what I'm saying? Because she was a good person, you know what I mean? And I told her, I said, yo If you blow trash, we still gonna get married

You know what I'm saying? And she got mad at me when I said that I'm like, what you getting mad at me? She said, nah, because, you know Why would you say that? I said, nah, I'm just letting you know I'm gonna be there for you So she blew trash

Everybody scattered Everybody went in a different direction So I'm like, damn, I still gotta help her out So I just By default, I kind of became her manager in the beginning of the bid. So when she started coming home, people were just reaching out to me to get shit

done. So that's why I kind of ended up in that position. And with Joe, nah, she actually came to me. You know what I'm saying? She came to me, and this was something she never did, because Rem is not really apologetic. I don't think she is. She ain't that tight.

You know, I knew Rem was just a little girl. I'll tell you later. She came to me on one of the visits and shit. She was like, yo, babe, what you thinking? You know what I'm saying? I was thinking, I'm thinking about patching it up with Joe. You know what I'm saying? And me, I don't got an ounce of hate in my blood.

I said, hell yeah, you need to do that. You know what I mean? And I promoted and then I pushed her to do it and she did it. Let's make some noise for Ripper. Because at one point, Joe was so mad at her, and the beef even trickled down to you and Joe having a fight, right? Y'all had a fight.

Yeah, but Joe was my daughter's godfather, man. Yeah, but that's crazy now. I love him so much, I'll be honest with you. And one of my favorite people in the world today, man. So I don't talk about that, man. Just shout out to my brother. Yeah, we moved on, man. I love him so much. I'll be honest with you. And one of my favorite people in the world today, man. So I don't talk about that, man. Just shout out to my brother. Yeah, we moving on, man. We moving on already.

We moving on already. No, I'll be honest. I love... The reason why I'm even speaking about that or even talking about it is because people, a young kid, there's a young kid right now watching this interview that can say say you know what

I had smoke with because you had honorable smoke you ain't had no you ain't had no dumb smoke you had honorable smoke you were just standing by your wife

so you by default is still is still wrecked in this situation so I'm just saying this for anybody who can watch it it ain't about what happened

it's about the end result and the end result is when I see y'all together with the door, I'm sitting back and I'm like, yo, this is. Nah, yo, yo, bro. Word is born. Anybody who know me, they'll tell you I've never been a dick rider.

Joe is my guy. Like, that's my brother like that. Like, I fuck with him on another level, bro. Like, the love that he showed me and my family and we show it back, there's nothing fake about it, man. He's very much authentic, you know what I'm saying? Even throughout me putting out all these projects this year. Yes.

You know what I'm saying? We'll get into that. Don't take over my energy. Okay, got you, got you. But I just wanted to say that. The reason why I brought that up was to say that when shit got a little rough, I could hit Joe and hit B to Phil Jackson. Yo, dude just have to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The reason why I brought that up was to say that, yo, like when shit got a little rough, I could hit Joe and hit B to Phil Jackson.

Yo, dude just have to do that. You know what I'm saying? No hate and shit. That's the right. Nothing. Right. I mean, Joe is one of the only people I know that love to see others win.

Right. That shit is red, man. Yes. Make some noise for Fat Joe like that. So, are you writing a rap right now? Because how the fuck you put out 12 projects? That's very interesting that you said that

because word is born. That's how I create, bro. Like, you'll say some shit, some fly shit, and I flip it and I hold it for later. You know what I'm saying? So you don't need to do the voice memo? To be honest with you, now that I'm a little older, yeah.

When I was younger, no. Oh, you were just having it in your brain. Yeah, I used to keep the whole rhyme in my brain. Like, when Big said it, everybody started saying, oh, right. But for me, that shit was my reality. Like, I didn't need to write. Because I loved it so much. Wait a minute, stop.

It wasn't my choice. Papu, stop. The lyrical bar shit that you doing, you ain't writing it down? Nah. Stop. I didn't need to, bro. Let me see your phone. Don't be jealous. Nah, man. I didn't need to, bro. Let me see your phone. Don't be jealous.

Nah, man. I know he got voice memos in there. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to tell you why I don't write. Yo, Pat, stop. You can't. The shit that you say, you writing that shit down, man. But let me explain.

I idolize niggas who could write. Right. I look up to y'all because if I sit here with a pen and a paper, I might rap about the fucking pen and the paper. You know what I'm saying? That's hard. Pen and the paper. The mic. Yeah, I might rap about that shit pen and paper. That's hard. Pen and paper. Yeah, I might rap about that shit. You might hear me rapping about the paper. I create throughout the course of my day, throughout my experiences.

I take that shit in and I regurgitate it through the rap. But holding that memory is, I think, where he's really established. But when you love it so much, you're going to remember it. I love this shit. You need to smoke some weed, man. You got to relax, man. You taking shit. We got the Mike Tyson. this shit so I'm you know me you need to smoke some weed so you just you keep these memories just like like if a bar strike you right now because I listen I I who the fuck was there

I had dinner with yay and every time someone said something He was just going like this He was like I'm looking like This nigga just Barring me out Every time Every time I said something People say the dopest shit But they don't know it Right

You know what I'm saying So me as an artist I'm like Oh this nigga just said Such and such I'm using that later You don't even know What he just said

He just gave me a ball So you just Go throw some shit for him You know what I mean Fire Yo Yo So 12 ball so you just go throw some shit for her fire yo so 12 fucking eps yes man man i watched you because i wanted to do my due diligence on um ero and you said you did it through tune core this is what new artists can you explain to new artists what TuneCore is because I got a TuneCore account

it's not working out for me I see you talk about TuneCore Cam is on here talking about TuneCore can you explain to new artists coming up right now that's trying to get out they're in Memphis they're in Oklahoma they're in Ohio Can you explain to new artists coming up right now that's trying to get out? They're in Memphis.

They're in Oklahoma. They're in Ohio. They don't know how to get to New York. They can't afford to get to New York. Can you tell them what to do? And one thing, did you do a deal directly with the company TuneCore, or is it like anybody else is doing a TuneCore thing? I'm going to put that in my answer, too. Okay, artists, if you're drowning in the Hudson River,

any river, ocean, whatever, tune chords your life rave. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's the best way

I could describe it. Remember, I had a 1.5 million dollar deal. He said it earlier. Come on, let's make some noise for that guy. You know what I'm saying?

1.5 million dollar deal, that job. Yes, my first deal was 1.5 million. Yes. Worst mistake ever in my life taking that deal. Yes, my first deal was $1.5 million. Worst mistake ever in my life, taking that deal. But let me say this.

When I lost my deal, when I lost my deal and the world turned their back on me, TuneCore was there. And TuneCore, basically, all these different distributors that you might sign with, they're going to take a percentage of the money you make. TuneCore doesn't do that. They only charge you to upload the music. So once you upload the music, the profit is all yours, my friend. And you're on all the digital streaming platforms. So when I said I was going to do an album every month, I was actually dealing with a

distributor and he turned his back on me. He said, yo- What you talking about? Empire? I ain't going to put him on blast. Not Empire. I did with Empire in the past before, Before too But TuneCore is better Than all that shit

This is drink chance This is where people I know I know man I know man I mean just cause This is your therapy too He owe me money He owe me money

So I ain't going I ain't going to shit on him yet When I get my money When I come back I'll shit on him Alright I like that Nigga high

You know what I'm saying He's elusive Let me put up your He's drinking You gotta keep drinking Nah this guy saying? He's elusive. Let me put up your A-Side. He's drinking. You got to keep drinking. Nah, this guy is very elusive, so I'm going to wait until I catch him

and get my money, and then I'll shit on him. I'm sorry, Pep. I don't even know what elusive means. He's hiding, man. He gets away. He run.

I'm trying to catch him. I can't get my hands on him. You know when you grab a nigga by the shirt and they slip out the shirt? He's one of them niggas. He's definitely someone I haven't grumbled. That's what he's doing. What is that? I ain't going to say his name, man. You know, you grab a nigga by the shirt and they slip out the shirt. Like, he's one of them niggas. He definitely took my Alan Grumman.

That's what he took my Alan Grumman. He was good. I ain't going to say his name, man. That's all right. You know what I'm saying? But, so, yeah, everybody turned their back on me. And when I said I was going to do the album each month, this guy was like, yo, you're overlapping yourself. It's not going to work.

You can't put out another album next month. And, like, right now, I got good problems. Like, I got a record with Fabulous and Jermaine Dupri. But at the same time, I got a record with Rick Ross. And Lil Wayne. Then at the same time, I got a record with Lil Wayne, 2 Chainz, Busta Rhymes, my wife, Produced by Timbaland. So I got three records. Talk that talk, man.

I got three records at one time. Talk that talk, man. And DJs is like, yo, all these shits is hot. I don't know which one to play. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, but this is what he was kind of saying. He was saying, you're going to, and I'm like, yo, I can't follow the industry way of releasing music. That's the old school way. Because this shit don't know which one to play. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, but this is what he was kind of saying. He was saying, you're going to,

and I'm like, yo, I can't follow the industry way of releasing music. That's the old school way. Because this shit don't work for me. Like, this is what I want new artists to understand. When you look at these artists that's, he's mainstreaming. You back.

This is the back we've been waiting for. This is the back we've been waiting for. He in his bag right now. Attention, All new artists This is what I want y'all to understand When you look at these Mainstream artists out here And they're

You know They're releasing their music They're promoting their music They doing the Super Bowl They doing all this spectacular shit All of these You know Different ways of marketing their music

And you want to be like them Or whatever you Inspired to be or whatever You cannot follow them Because that doesn't work for you. The industry format and the industry way of releasing music, it didn't work for me at all. So I said to myself, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to create my own format and my own pattern and my own way of releasing music.

I'm going to drop an album every month. And everybody told me, don't do it. This shit ain't going to work. But guess what? It was the best shit I ever did in my life. Goddamn, make some noise for that. But explain to artists, because this is

what this is for. This is for the kid that is dope as fuck in his mama's house. Right. So explain why this is the dopest shit you ever did. This is the best thing I ever did because I don't have to wait for no label, you know what I'm saying, to approve my music when I put it out.

You know, putting it through TuneCore. Also, I mean, I get my money every... We working on that. That's what I'm wondering. We working on that. Let me tell you something, artists. Every single Monday of 2021,

I had a check waiting for me every month from TuneCore because I put out so much music and it reacted. The people embraced it. So when you're trying to put out an album once a year, the big shots,

the big dogs could do that. You're not a big dog. You got to work way harder than them and you got to, to a certain extent, you got to outwork them. That's hell. You know what I'm saying?

Busta called me and said, yo, Pat, you outworked everybody this year. You know what I mean? Right. But you got to do that if you want to eat and you want to a certain extent you gotta outwork them that's hell you know i'm saying boston called me and said yo pap you outworked everybody this year you know i mean but you got to do that if you want to eat and you want to be successful because let's be honest a year ago from now they wasn't talking about my music like how they talking about it or even considering how they are now but by the grace of god i was so consistent that they have no choice but to acknowledge my my work ethic you know i'm saying so you know i mean? Doing that was the best thing I did, bro. I don't even know how to describe it. But TuneCore is a way that you can do it

at your own discretion. You can say, all right, my album is finished. I want to put it on the digital platforms. You upload it to TuneCore. You pay the little $10 or whatever. That's a one-time fee? Yeah, that's it. Everybody that buy your music,

all that money come to you. I mean, and I made a lot of money last year. And I imagine putting out so many joints, it's like, with streaming now, it compounds. Like, that's where it's positive, because streaming, it's like you got all this catalog now. Right. You build up catalog, and you actually

you get into streaming now. The streaming, let's be honest, if you were selling records back in the days, they didn't have streaming. And now they're streaming. You never sold no records, bro. It's a whole different way of releasing music. You never streamed before. So for me, when I started doing that, I actually started streaming now. See, I was just never streaming until I did this shit. You pay attention.

So it was a great thing. It was the best thing I ever... Everybody told me don't do it, even my wife. You're going to release an album every month? Just that and a third. She tried to stop me, you know what I'm saying? And she hated me last year when I did that shit because... I was the closest one to it.

It's true, but that's actually true. Fat Joe and him told me, don't do reggae, don't. Oh, wow. I didn't say don't do it. I just thought you was joking when you said you was doing it. That's even worse. I'd rather you said don't do it. That was even worse.

But it's all you. And you proved them wrong, right? I didn't mean to because I love them. But yeah, I proved them wrong. Let? I didn't mean to because I love them. Yeah, I proved them wrong. Let's make some noise for that. Word. But, geez, that was dope. That was really dope.

Thank you, man. Shout out to all the artists who seen what I was doing, man, and decided to be a part of it. Right. Like, I started feeling like I was creating my own platform because big dogs wanted to be a part of this shit. Right. And when I reached out,

it was no resistance. You know what I mean? Shout out to Lil Wayne. Let's stay right there for a second. All right, get ahead. Let's stay right there for a second.

I got a list, man. Shout outs. Yeah. Wayne not only did the record, he did the video. Come on, man. See what I'm saying?

That was hard. You see what I'm saying? That's hard. Explain that. You know what it is, man. Like this is, Papu's outside now. He's outside now. Look at his energy, look at his energy.

You sit back, right? And every question you asked me earlier, you see what I said? I said, oh, New York, I'm going to New York. I'm going to Brooklyn. I represent. But when you come up and you look up to these guys and you come in the game and you winning

and they don't embrace you, but you got a guy from out of town, a whole nother region, embrace you and show love. Not only do the record, do the video. Yeah, because that's a statement in itself. It's a statement and it says a lot as to why our city got pushed to the back burner

in this thing. Right. Because a lot of people don't like to see others win, but it's just Lil Wayne, man. Solid dude, man. So how it happened? Describe. Well, I always knew- I'm fitting some of your Asian face, man.

I always knew- Go on, gotcha. Bad influence on you. I always knew Wayne rocked with me, man. You got to sit. Because when he was on Riker's Island, Mac May hit Slay Up. And it was like, yo, yo, Wayne fucked with Pat, man. He fucked with Alphabetical Slaughter.

It was a song I had when I broke down the album. Oh, wow. Yeah, come on, baby. You about to go there? He was like, yo, Wayne fucked with them heavy, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? This, that, and the third. I was like, word. I'm gonna be honest with you. I tried to visit him. You know what I'm saying? I couldn't do it, though.

I mean, but I always knew that he'd fuck with me. You couldn't do it because you couldn't get there or because... I went to the island. I'm going to keep it a buck. Oh, and they didn't tell you on the list? It wasn't right. I wasn't on the list. It's three people. I was strict.

I didn't get in. You know what I'm saying? Because I believe you. You made the attempt. I believe you one million percent. Yo, I'm from the sidewalk. When a nigga tell you Wayne Rock with you, you need to go check that. Yeah, that's real shit.

That's real shit. So I went and tried to chop it up with him. That didn't work out. I never even got a chance to tell him that. Yeah, that's real shit. That's real shit. So I went and tried to chop it up with him. That didn't work out. I never even got a chance to tell him that. When I went there, Drake was going in to see him, actually.

I seen Drake in the visiting going through. Or they pushed you back for Drake. Or the humble. They didn't push me back, but... You said they prioritized?

They didn't push me back, but, you know what I'm saying? It didn't work out. But I always knew he'd fuck with me just off of that. So when I started doing the monthly projects, I said, yo, man, I just want to get artists on these projects that I respect. And Wayne is a nigga I respect. I reached out to him, and word was born.

He hit me right back, bro. Wow. I sent him the joint. One night, I'm laying in the bed. My wife's asleep. The baby's asleep. I'm looking through my email. I'm like, what the fuck is this? I turn the shit on. It's Lil Wayne. I jump out the bed. I start laying in the bed, my wife's asleep, the baby's asleep. I'm looking through my email, I'm like, what the fuck is this?

I turn the shit on, it's Lil Wayne. I jump out the bed, I start dancing in the crib. I said, oh shit, I'm hearing the Wayne version. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, wow, this nigga did this shit that quick? I'm talking about it was quick, bro. Yeah, yeah. I was happy.

He's a workhorse. Solid, solid dude, man. Everything he said he was going to do, he did it. Never faked a jack, never pump faked. All right, so I'm an artist. So I know once you get the verse, we all feel like DJ Khaled, right? I feel like Khaled.

The first to say it. The vocals are in. The vocals are in. Right? All right, so I'm an artist. I know. That's one part of the inquiry, right? You're getting the vocals, right?

That's a fact. But then the next part is getting it clear, and then getting the video cleared. So what was that process for Wayne? Well, I told you earlier, man, I built my own model of releasing music. So I'm releasing every 30 days. Okay.

So once you... And you need signatures from these artists? I mean, eventually you got to do all of that. You got to do the business. So I got my guy in on the business side. Yo, look, he's got the Wayne verse. We need to handle it. He's handling it. I'm communicating with Mac main. Right. You know what I'm saying?

We putting everything together to make sure everything is right. Same with Ross, but I got to do it fast now because this shit got to come out on the 31st every month. I really can't wait for nobody. You know what I'm saying? So I'm working at, this is the pace I'm working at. So as I'm getting versus the 31st of every month, the 31st, the last day of every month, I'm dropping, regardless of whom or what. What did you do on February?

The last day of that month. It's so early. 28. God damn it. You know Black History Month gave us the shortest month? Yeah, the shortest month. So,

so, I, because this is, this is very, very important for artists most artists think because they got money and

and they can pay for a a Wayne verse right yeah but money can't buy you love no yeah

yeah yeah not at all but what they don't understand is there's these signatures there's this there's this process oh yeah you gotta you gotta clear it yeah. Money can't get all up. But what they don't understand is there's these signatures. There's this process. Oh, yeah, you got to clear it. Yeah, you got to clear it. You got to get clearness.

You got to have good graces, you know what I'm saying? You got to have blessings. I'm going to tell you why I lucked out with my Wayne record. I had a record with Wayne. And Wayne did the same thing with me. Just sent it right back to me.

Boom. And did the video. Sean Peckos? Wayne did the same thing with me. Just sent it right back to me. Boom. And went to the, did the video. Sean Petros? It's, it was, it was, it was, it was Sean Petros.

What's up, man? Oh, oh shit, what is that? We, I'm live on Drink Chance, by the way. Just,

just in case. We're with Papoose. What up, bro? What's good, my guy, man? Shit, chopping it up.

Everybody good? Everybody great, man. Shit chopping it up? Everybody good? Everybody great, man. Just working, man. Trying to make it happen. Oh, my God, bless. No doubt. You know it, bro. Yo, whatever niggas is under those stars, boy, y'all look good, boy.

What's up with CeCe Savannah here? CeCe, man, come on, man. You ain't come on my show yet? You lost weight and changed on niggas. Come on, man. Come on, man. Pull up on us, CeC niggas. Come on, man. Come on, man. Pull up on us, CeCe. I just watched your documentary again.

Come on. Come on, pull up on us, man. Come on, you know what I mean? All right, you got to have some old dudes for him. Nobody will be there. All right, no problem. All right, my brother. Let me.

Zero, one zero. All right, cool. Peace. God, no problem. Love, love, my brother. Yeah, I'm sorry, Pap. We asked. Love. Love. My brother. Yeah, I'm sorry, Pep. We asked y'all for him during the interview. We're very unprofessional.

Nah, nah. We're very unprofessional. What are we talking about? I was very into that. It's fine. What was the topic? We got to remember. Come on.

All y'all hot. Come on. Yo, William Burr. Yeah, we're going to Phineas. Was it Phineas? So what happened was I didn't know that. So I was throwing out independent music and I wasn't getting no signatures. You just putting it out.

I was just putting it out. Nigga's a thug for real, man. But with Wayne, they straightened me up with Wayne. When I talked to the Wayne one. Who's they, Universal? Everyone. They straightened me right up. But it was lucky because Birdman had lived in my building at the time.

But Birdman also checked me. He said, hey, playboy. You want a favor from me? You don't have them folks call me. I charge them folks. So I realized I couldn't have anybody call anybody from Wayne Camp other than me. That's the secret, though. That's the secret as an artist Mm-hmm. That's the secret

as an artist. Are we blowing shit up right now? You got to have relationships. Yeah. Because niggas like us, you can have a team and all that. It goes back

to what I was saying earlier. What worked for these niggas don't work for us. Like me, when I reach out to artists myself and I get shit done, they're not passing to the team. You know what I'm saying?

It's secure now. To finalize it, right? But when you got people reaching out, he going to bang them and they they gonna call you and say, yo, he said this much. Yep. I just saw this nigga. Like, I saw this nigga in the gym and he was like, he stepped to me like,

hey, what? I was like, this nigga be saying Birdman is like, you know, he ain't pussy at all. I don't know what niggas, like, it was me and him one-on-one and he was like, hey, playboy. I don't know why I keep getting playboy. He's like, hey, playboy. I was like know why I keep hearing Playboy. He's like, hey, Playboy. I said, damn, Birdman. He's like,

I got you, Playboy. I said, all right, cool. I was like, damn, I thought I was going to get this nigga $250,000 right now. Like, Jesus. I'm telling you, niggas done read that book wrong. I'm telling you, Birdman. And he's a good nigga. I haven't seen him in a

while, but big you up, Birdman. But now, I haven't dealt with that rain, the rain that you're talking about now. Now, it's back in Maine. That Maine was still there, but now because this is what a lot of people should understand about

you and Busta Rhymes' situation and Wayne and Baby's situation is once they kind of found out the discrepancies, both kind of made it right. Right? Like, after whatever Wayne was beefing with Baby and whatever,

they made it right and they moved on. And I remember you and Busta kind of bumping heads. I don't know what it was because it was just an industry talk. Yeah, me and Busta never had a problem. Busta and Slay, they sparred a lot. Oh. They sparred a lot, but still sharp and still, that's just what it was.

It was just sparring with them. They love each other later on. You know what I'm saying? They sparred a lot. Oh, so you were just caught in between, that's just what it was. It was just sparring with them. They love each other later on. You know what I'm saying? They sparred a lot. Oh, so you were just caught in between, because that's the... Yeah, we never had, me and Busta never had an issue, man. Really?

You know what I mean? Busta got up, brought me out on stage, man, and the crowd started screaming, and I was looking around like, who they screaming for? You know what I mean? But it was me. You know what I'm saying? I was used to being a regular nigga at the time.

You know what I mean? Busta changed my life, man. That's my big brother. So we never had a problem, but you know what I mean? Busta changed my life, man. That's my big brother. So we never had a problem. But, you know what I mean? Him and my brother Slay, they just sparred a lot. That's how they are. You know what I mean?

Two strong-headed niggas. And you was at the video shoot when that shit? Yeah, I was at Touch It. The video that changed my life, man. Video and the song, I'll never forget it. Break it down, sir. I'm just saying that the record, being on the record, changed my life. Being on that record, man, I'm telling you.

That's a huge record. I couldn't go to the mall no more. I went from standing on the corner hustling and doing juxtas to being a famous person off of that record. You know what I mean? I had a name for myself. That's what got me on the record, but that record changed my life, man. I can't lie to you.

And it's crazy because when me and my man O went to the studio and Busta called me, I fell asleep. I was so tired. He said, yo, you got to get on this song right here. I put the beat on. I fell asleep. In the studio? Fell asleep right there.

Biggest record of my life. I fell asleep. Oh, shit. They woke me up. And my man O right here, he could tell you. I woke up. I went right in the booth. I wrote that verse in my sleep.

Yo, man. You got to stop. See, he's jealous of that shit. Oh, am I lying, sir? Yo. He's there. He never lie. I wrote that verse in my sleep, bro.

That's some spiritual shit. Yeah, that shit sounds too perfect. Let's just keep it real. Let's just even the story out. You ain't never woke up with a verse in your head? No, I ain't never woke up with a verse, motherfucker. Yo, five burrows to die. I wrote that shit in my sleep, bro.

Wow. Really? I knocked out in the studio. I woke up and went right in the booth. That's what they... All right, this is why your story sounds a little crazy. I'm going to be honest. That's why your story sounds...

They used to say that's what Big used to do. See what I'm saying? They used to say Big used to go like this. Close his eyes. And then like 20 minutes later, he'd just go in the booth. So did you know that? I didn't hear that one. I did hear that Big didn't write. Well, he's the first one. Before? Jay, Jar, anyone. First one that we know of.

First one who said that. It became cool once Big said it. And for me, I was like, oh, this is cool. This is what I really do. Okay. But Pap, just describe to people, like, all right. Describe to not writing memes. Listen. It means you got a great memory. This is what you got to understand.

For me, I can't speak for Big. For me, I'm such a fiend when it comes to hip hop. I love this shit so much that if I... Because you don't... You only write it down to remember it. You create it first in your head. Before you write it. When you're writing, you sit in with a pen and paper. You think of this shit and you write it down so you don't forget. I don't need to put it down so

I don't forget. I'm not going to... I used to. My wife smoked me out. You know what I'm saying? She had to be tight. She was tight in my lungs. You good? You want to come back home? Yeah, I'm good. He wants you all the way outside. We knew we had Lisa. Oh, wait.

That's what Lisa Keys and Kanye West smoke. Oh, wow. Yeah. Look, I look up to the guys who write, man, because I can't write. I can't write if I wanted to. I can't write. So... Wait, wait, but hold up.

But when you spit it from memory, is that with flow, the way you're going to flow it? No, I can't let you get away with that. Everything. Everything. You already have the way you're going to take the beat. You didn't start. I'm hating. I'm hating a little bit.

You didn't 100%. The nigga said, I can't get you to let you get away with that. You didn't start not writing down. You had to start writing. That's when I realized if I fucking keep holding this pen and this paper, I'm going to rap about this pen and this paper. There's been a lot of rhymes about pen and paper. I realized I need to rap throughout the course of my day

so I can rap about different shit through my experiences. He's just mad that you don't have a notepad throughout the course of the day. Yes, I am. You are correct. Yes, I am. The shit. And nowadays, I kept, like I said,

we was working with Kanye for like a week. And everything that was dope that Kanye just heard, he just kept voice noting it. See, he's smart, though. He's taking notes, man. He's drawing in life experiences and putting in his music. He's smart. You do that with your brain. Yeah, I do that.

I make sure I remember, like, shit that happened. It just be so, you know what I mean? But that's a talent. That's unique. Not everybody can do that. Well, I'm blessed, man. I get the credit, you know what I mean? It be moments. But that's a talent. That's unique. Not everybody can do that. Well, I'm blessed, man. I get the credit, you know what I mean? Now everybody's saying, man, I'm blessed, man.

What you gonna say after that, man? What you gonna say after that, bro? He said, then I put it on 2Kore. He said, then I put it on 2Kore. Holy shit. Holy shit. Nah, but you know what it was too? Putting out 12 albums in one year.

You know how you got niggas that run down on you? It says EPs. Is it actual albums? No, it's albums because an album is, I think, seven or more. I thought seven or more is an album. Yeah, I think eight tracks. Okay. Eight tracks, you know what I mean?

Okay. Let me say this, though. Google is labeling EPs, though. When I Google it. Oh, they got to get their shit right. You know what I mean? Let's get their shit right. But it's albums. But let me say this, though. Google is labeling EPs, though. When I Google it. Oh, they got to get their shit right. They got to get it. Let's get their shit right. But it's albums.

But let me say this, though. You know how niggas run down on you? Yo, Norrie, man, I'm saying, put me on, bro. Why you ain't? I'm trying to rap. I'm trying to do this. You know what putting out 12 albums in a year did for me? It got all them niggas out my face.

Because, now, real shit, bro. No, no, explain. Explain. Let me explain right so me I've been in the game for a while I had a he thinks this is fueling this but let me tell you right

I've been in the game for a while right I had a million dollar deal 1.5 sir don't forget that 5 I toured overseas you know what I mean I did records with Nori you know what I mean records with Nori. Records with Nas. Records with all these great people. And I'm really working hard.

Hard enough to release over 70 some odd songs in one year. 12 albums in one year. And you, and when I turn to them and when they come to me with the handout shit. How many, you're a rapper. How many songs you put out? How many albums you put out? So I shouldn't be out working you. So if I'm out working you, that mean you not hungry.

I don't even want to hear from you. They eliminated pretty much everybody. Yeah, because you want, me, I'm going hard. Like I want this. So if you're not working as hard as me or more, don't come to me for that handout, I owe you something shit, that entitlement shit. I don't want to hear that.

We put out, how many episodes you put out a year? You say we in the same league? 52? Niggas ain't dropping 52 episodes. Yo, no more. I'm taking a shot for Norwegian, man. I'm taking a shot. Y'all niggas is working over here.

Listen, Pat. That shit you did is amazing. You might as well take another shot. Let's do it. I'm drunk already, God damn it. Listen, listen. I went too heavy on the shot. You ain't got to do that.

That's a heavy shot. I went too heavy on the shot. But this Japanese whiskey, this is that fly shit. Let's do it, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm hitting. I'm hitting. Do say.

You do say. Let's do it, man. Oh, yeah. Hit it. Yeah. Yeah. Yo. It's cool.

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Papoose, veteran niggas can't do what you just did. Niggas that been out can't do what you did. That's why we all sat back and was like, wait a minute. This is something different. And we thought, I'm going to be honest, I'm part of a couple of group chats. People thought you was going to miss a month, sir. They was hoping. Niggas thought you was going to miss a part. You can't remember that many rhymes.

Yeah. They were weighing my luck. I was watching too. Nah, I wasn't going to let it up, bro. Even if you're under the weather, somebody passed away, something happened, you got to keep going. So what's the process?

When you recorded January's album, is it already recorded in December? That's what I should have did. That's what I fucked up at in the beginning. Pat, stop, man. You didn't make January's album in January. I'm going to tell you how I fucked up. Yo, yo, yo. He didn't even tell you.

The verse is by the 31st, so he's... Yo, Pat, yo, stop. That's why I fucked up at, though. I'm going to tell you. The verse is by the 31st, so he's in the moment. Yo, Pat, yo, stop, Pat. That's why I fucked up that, though. I'm going to tell you. All right, this is getting too crazy now. Because for a couple years, right, I've been saying, yo, next year, I'm dropping an album every month. And the next thing I know, it's February,

and I ain't dropped shit. Right. So this month, I said, damn, all right, I'm dropping an album every month this year. But what I should have did was what he said. I should have did it in January and December. I didn't do that. That's why each project had to drop on the last day each month.

Because I didn't have shit. You weren't ready, right. So I used the month. I used the 30 days to create. So when I drop it on January 31st, I'm like, I'm at the finish line. I'm exhausted. I'm out of breath. I'm sweating.

I'm wiping the sweat off with the towel. And I'm like, all right, I got some time. February the last, what's the shortest month of the year? The last day of February. Okay, I got to do. February the last, what's the shortest month of the year? The last day of February? Okay, I got to do it again. Let's go. March, same shit. I'm creating this shit as I go along. I did November in one day. I did that shit in one day.

Yo, as the year progressed, I got better. I got so crazy with it because it's like Floyd Mayweather throwing punches, you know what I'm saying? I was like, yo. You need to start banking albums like we do podcast episodes.

I love how we just called the albums November. Yeah. January. Yeah, each one was titled after the current month. On the last day of each month.

That was the title of each album. Each album was titled after the current month. That was part of my whole concept. Word is born. It's also very cocky, sir.

I don't ever want to come across like that because I was cocky when I was young, man. And I grew out of that shit. You know what I mean? I always try to stay humble. So I hope I ain't coming across cocky. No, no, no. No, no, no.

In a respectful way. Okay, okay. Do we open another bottle of Ace? I feel like it's warranted, right? I feel like it's your turn to open the Ace. I'm already hit. Because we got to make sure that you have no problem. Nah, my car parked in the airport.

Yeah, come on. You good. You good. You good. You want a drink, Chaz, brother. And we, like I said, our show is about giving people their flowers. Nah, I appreciate it. I got my flowers, right?

Yes. And Pat, you know, I'm going to tell you the truth. I appreciate this shit. Say shout outs and what the flowers are. Soon as we heard that we were booking you. Thank you, man. I went and I listened and I said, damn, bro. I said, that might have been Pap's problem.

Not that he was blackballed. It's that, lyrically, you actually. You said that. You actually in 20... All right, Brooklyn. I'm all right, I'm all right. You actually, and I'm saying this with all love, you might be in year 2088 with your balls.

Nah, for real, I'm saying this like... Pause something, sir. you know what's interesting? Go ahead. I dumbed it, pardon me man, I made a mess. I dumbed it down. You're supposed to. I dumbed it down. That's how I started getting more features, man.

I kind of realized that. No cocky shit. I said, damn man, nobody want to do songs with me, man. I said, you know what? And then I was so hip hop, real shit, I was so hip hop and I was so young minded. And notice I said I was so hip hop. If I'm doing a song with you, I ain't going to lie, I'm trying to go in. Right.

You know what I mean? But as you get older, you start to learn how to make music. It's not about having the best verse. You're making songs. It's about having the best song. Right. So if I do a song with you, almost about having the best verse. It's about having the best song. So if I do a song with you, it's about having the best chemistry. Yes.

I would do shit like, you know what I mean, let's go in the studio together or, you know what I mean, I wouldn't send you my verse. Now I do a verse real quick and I send you my verse here. Take my verse, man. I want you to kill me on this verse

because when you put in the effort to kill me, that's going to make it a better record. You know what I'm saying? So as you get older, you learn. And when I started learning that and started doing that, I was able to get more features. I'm featuring with people I never featured with in my life right now. Because we started with Lil Wayne. You say you had a list.

Let's get to that list. You said Lil Wayne. Yeah, Lil Wayne. Listen, on these monthly projects, I got Lil Wayne. I got Fabulous. I got Fabulous. I've been living in Brooklyn my whole life. I never ahead. I got Fabulous. I got Fabulous. I've been living in Brooklyn my whole life. I never had a song with Fab.

Yeah, Fabulous is a different nigga. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Fab. He's a different nigga, though. I got Rick Ross. Rick Ross. Bigger Fab, by the way. I got 2 Chainz.

I got Busta Rhymes. I got my wife. I'm sorry, because I feel like we should make noise for every one of those guests. So let's start all over. Let's start all over. Let's start all over. Look away, y'all. You guys got to have energy. Get your energy.

Yeah. Yeah. Rick Ross. Yeah. What was that? Fabulous. Wow. Look at that.

Remy Ma. God damn it. God damn it. Busta Rhymes. God damn it. I said Rick Ross, right? Yeah. Say him again.

We don't give a fuck. Rick Ross. God damn it. Say him again. We don't give a fuck. Rick Ross. Anthony Hamilton. That's it. 2 Chainz. Tell that fuck. Teddy Boy. Swiss Beats.

Swiss Beats. Timberland. The Game. I can keep going, man. No, no, no, hold on. Crooked Eye, God damn it. Crooked Eye. Hoke T. Hoke T. That's fam too. Crooked Eye, god damn it. Crooked Eye. I like Crooked Eye, man.

Hoke T. Hoke T. That's fam, too. Wiz Khalifa, god damn it. Wiz Khalifa. DJ Premier. Yo. Lars Professor.

Oh. P-Rock. Oh. I can keep going if y'all want me, man. All right. No Riegos. No, I ain't no Riegos. Russ, god damn it, Russ, man.

Russ, Russ. My nigga Smoke Dizzer. Smoke Dizzer. Yeah, I... My nigga smoke DZA Yeah, I family there so many great people man. I was able to work with this shit bro on your show on my show my Honorable records honorable. I see them distributed, but yeah honorable records and you ain't start up I just first start out with that saying that so my bad honorable records. That's the name of my league the new death row I don't before money Let's just ride with you about to call Oh my bad. Honorable Records is the name of my label, man. It's the new Def Ro. Honorable Full Money. Let's just ride with it. Distributed by TuneCore. Let's just ride with it.

I feel like this is the new CEO of TuneCore right now. I ain't going to lie. I'm about to throw some shit out through TuneCore because of him. Now you got to. You're going to get your money. One thing you know, you're going to get your money. So you never worked with E1 or my man Gazi, Empire Records? I never worked with E1. I worked with Gazi. You know what I'm saying? But Gazi, it's kind of hard to work with Gazi. Really? And I've talked to other people and they said the same.

I don't want to talk bad about it. You know what I'm saying? This is your facts. But it's difficult to me as an artist when this is your bread and butter and you don't really have no solid communication with your record label or your distributor. Communication is key. And Gazi has a history of

failing to communicate properly. And I know a lot of artists who watch this, they're like this. Right on, Pap! You know what I'm saying? Because this shit is a fact, bro. Really? Yeah, yeah. I've talked to other artists, and that's the issue. And for me, I couldn't do that. I can't do that. I need to communicate. like, this is how I'm feeding my family.

Right. You know what I mean? You can't, you know, so that was that. So, yeah, because, you know, Gazi, my man, I hooked him up with Fat Joe. And they made a lot of money together. Yeah, I mean, you know, money is good, man. Money is good. I also squashed a beef with Fat Joe and Jay-Z.

I don't know if you know that I remember that I'm on the record Yeah, me and me and we are remix First like the peccas just But I supposed to get the shot out first That was a moment though, yeah, listen to me I don't say I don to say this, man. What you've done here, I salute you, bro. Look at that. Look at this. Like, this shit right here.

This is a big deal, man. He's getting money, man. That's my son over there. Come here. The nigga with the wild hair over there, that's my son right there. Yeah, that's my son. And he got a Rolex on, though, too. Let's be clear.

That's what's up. But you see what I said when I sat down? I said, damn, man, this shit is a real production. Like, doing them TV shows and shit. You know what I mean? From VH1, I've witnessed real, solid production. this shit is a real production. Like, doing them TV shows and shit. You know what I mean? From VH1, I've witnessed real, solid production. I know what a real production is. I come here, and I see y'all brothers setting up.

I see everything. I just want to salute y'all. I wish I had another one. I'd give you your flowers. No, no, no. It's your flowers today. It's my real flowers. For real, though, bro.

For what you doing this shit? Like, you made a whole transition from doing the rap shit to this shit. And then you got everybody following you. So salute, brother. And everybody doing podcasts now. It's like I had everybody doing reggaeton, too. Let's just be clear. It's true.

Let's just be clear. Everybody, they realize, oh, shit, you want to go to that party. They laughed and went and did it. You want to go to Coco Cabana, too. Coco Cabana is nice, man. You know what I mean? I'm going to read it to her. Yeah, no, no, real shit, man. But, Pap, man. Best of you, though, brother. Again, man. nice, man. You know what I mean? Nah, I'm gonna read it to her. Nah, nah, real shit, man.

But, Pap, man. Best to you, though, brother. Again, man. Again, man. I think because... What do you consider your biggest record that you was on? That I was on? My biggest record?

Yeah. I'm going to say... Thought I was going to start a remix featuring 2 Chainz, Busta Rhymes, Remy, and Lil Wayne. Goddamn it. Out right now on all digital platforms. Wait, wait, wait. Say it again, say it again. My new record, my new single is called

Thought I Was Gonna Stop featuring 2 Chainz, Busta Rhymes, Lil Wayne, Remy, produced by Timbaland. Wait, you have two records with Lil Wayne? No, he did the original and he's doing a remix. Oh, this is the remix. So we got the video out now. I got two million views in the first two days. That's big.

Shout out to my brother, Will Santana. Big, Will Santana. Street Heat. Street Heat Entertainment, guys. Make some noise, guys. Damn it. Come on. You know what I'm saying? The video is out. We did two million views first two days.

I know y'all rappers do a billion views, but for me, that's a good look. I'm from Brooklyn. I'm sidewalked. Yeah. And independent money is different, too. I'm being honest. I'm independent. I'm from Bainbridge between Hopkinson and Saratoga. That's a good look for me. And independent money is different too. I'm being honest. Independent money is different. I'm from Bainbridge between Hopkinson and Saratoga. That's a good look for me.

Two million views, first date. This is me and, like, if you would Google me and EFN's biggest arguments that's consistent on this show, it's this one argument. It should have been on QuickTime or Slime. We already established it. I already won the argument, bro. Major or independent, that's really what it is. But you said earlier, I have $1.5 million deal. It's the worst mistake of my life, man.

Why would you say that? Worst thing I ever did was took that deal with you. And you had Chris Light here around at that time? Rest in peace to Chris Light. Explain this, sir. Worst mistake I ever made in my life. Okay. Listen, young, up-and-coming artist.

I don't know what he's about to say, but let's just take the facts of what is about to be articulated. He said he had $1.5 million deal. Yeah, the deal. Plus another $400,000 for marketing that had nothing to do with the $1.5 million deal. But let's be, yeah, the deal. Plus another $400,000 for marketing that had nothing to do with the $1.5. Right. So that's pretty much $2 million.

Basically, this man counts as well. He's a mathematician. We all know that, sir. Okay, let me describe that. Okay, you got a kid from Brooklyn, right? You got a peasy head kid From Brooklyn You know what I'm saying From the sidewalk

I don't wear that on my sleeve As you see I promote black love Positivity But I'm tougher Than a lot of these niggas Anyway I come from Brooklyn

I'm from the sidewalk And He makes it into The music business Right He's grinding He doesn't have a record deal This is me I'm talking about.

I'm talking third person. Too many of you serving third person. Right, it's all my seven third person. I'm following. He's narrating his story. This kid is from Brooklyn.

Everybody's rooting for him. Coincidentally, it's the same people that knew him before he signed the deal with K-Slave, but they're rooting for him now. It's cool.

I embrace the love. I'm working hard. I'm building up a buzz. I gained that. I'm on the radio. Now, I'm doing tours. I'm doing tours. I'm working hard. I'm building up a buzz. I gained that. I'm on the radio. Now I'm doing tours. I'm doing tours. I'm performing from state to state. Every other day, I'm releasing music on a constant basis. This shit goes on from 04 to 07. I never had a record deal all that time. Everybody thought, oh, Pap is up, Pap is hot. I never had a record deal.

I was getting show money. I was getting feature money and I was touring. Now I signed a record deal in 2007. so basically I was independent that whole time. I'm getting money. Once I signed the record deal, you have people telling you, you have individuals in white shirts and suits telling you, oh, you don't need to make that record like that, you need to make it like this. I lost all creative control at thatus. I lost all... John Rekus. I lost all creative control at that point.

Let's be particular. Who is the CEO? Is it Barry Weiss? This guy... Is it Dave Leiter? This guy from John Rekus, he's an asshole. What's his name?

He goes by the name of Jeff Finster. He's the devil singing himself. I don't think... I'm going to put him out there. I'm going to put him out there. Okay, you went there

You ever heard of this guy No what did you say his name is Jeff Finster No but let's talk about him Fucking asshole This dude is the worst guy you ever want to meet in your life I hope he's watching Because I'm still here

I'm still alive And you wanted me dead And getting money You tried to ruin my life I'm still getting money My family's still eating And I live in a mansion in New Jersey So you didn't stop nothing

You try to in my you try to in my career, you know you hate it on me you did everything you could think of I don't blame you for that brother. I don't blame you. So I'm saying what happened explain to us basically this guy lied This guy lied. Myself and my brother K-Slave, man, who changed my life, who the only one that gave me an opportunity to live out my dream. My brother K-Slave. He gave a lot of people that opportunity.

We love you, K-Slave. We need you on Dream Camp, baby. Myself and my brother K-Slave, we signed a job at Records. We had a bidding war. Numerous record labels were interested in signing me at the time. I told you,

I sat down with Nas. He was going to Def Jam with Jay-Z. He wanted me to come over there. Atlantic. You talk about Jive Records was on the same block as Violator at that time. Right.

Yep. A bunch of different record labels were having a bidding war for me at this time. Right. This was a dream come true for me. Don't let me sit here and lie to you. A lot of guys come up here, I ain't a rapper, I'm a hustler. I ain't a rapper, I'm a

gangster. I'm a rapper. I'm embracing it. You know what I'm saying? I was happy. Let's make some noise for that. You know what I'm saying? So I was happy to be having this moment. You know what I'm saying? And it was a bidding war. A lot of different labels wanted to sign me. So

just so happens I linked up with Busta Rhymes, who had a relationship with Chris Lighty, introduced me to Chris. Chris signed me to Violator. Chris is the president. Man, but you got to break down. What was you Violator? Violator.

Violator Management. Violator Management. I was Street Sweepers Entertainment, Violator Management, Busta Rhymes and K-Slate did a joint venture. So, now it's Street Sweeper slash Flip Mode. You understand what I'm saying? But now I'm my own boss, so it's even better for me now.

But we going back. Let's go back. So now I signed with Violator. I'm sorry, I didn't sign with Violator. You don't sign with management. You would be a dummy. I link up with Violator. We working. So now I got this bidding war. And $700,000 off over here. $400,000000 off over here,

400,000 from Nas over here. He's going to Def Jam, which Case Slade wasn't with my brother, and I trust him. You know what I'm saying? Job comes in at 1.5 million. All right, it's not that we money hungry. Our brother Chris Lighty is the president of that job. So we like, it's a no-brainer. I thought it was Dave Lighty that was the A&R.

No, Chris Lighty was the president. Okay, okay, all right, cool, cool. So we like, it's a no-brainer. Chris the president, we Gucci, we go to job. Right. We go to job, we look on the internet a week later, Chris Lighty is not the president no more. He's out of it.

We like, what the fuck? We been hooking, we been manboosting. We like, yo, Chris. You couldn't get insider information? What's going on? What do they mean you not the president no more? You're like, what's going on? This is where the fuck...

The hat not coming off, though. If it does, you know it's about to get good. This is kind of where the fucker restarted at. So we like, damn, Chris is not the president. Okay, we roll him with the punches. He give an explanation. I'm still going to communicate. This is where he brings this devil in

by the name of Jeff Finster. He's going to be handling your project now. So just to summarize it with this dickhead did, I hate to talk like this, man. No, it's okay. God's trying to be positive, man. No, it's okay. You got to let it go.

This is therapy for you. Right, right. It's therapeutic. So we're doing records, right? So we're in the meeting, and I'm playing all of my records. And me and Slayer are like, all right, these are the three records we think can be singles. So this guy's like, okay, I'm going to play all three records for the owner of the label who signed me, which was the reason why everybody at the label was mad.

Was that Barry Weiss? Barry Weiss and Peter Thiel was the two why everybody at the label was mad. Was that Barry Weiss? Barry Weiss and Peter Thiel was the two bosses at Jive when I signed. They flew me out, and the guy told me in my face, I signed you because my son is a fan of Lord Library. This is why he signed me. This is why all the workers at the label were mad because I didn't come through none of them. I went straight to their boss.

They hated my guts at the label. You know what I'm saying? Talk in that talk right now. This is real shit. I can't make this up if I try. Keep going. So all these niggas at the label was mad, you know what I'm saying? Talking that talk right now. This is real shit. I can't make this up if I try. So all these niggas at the label is mad. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm going to throw a couple of these niggas on the bus. I ain't going to do it.

You should. Nah, don't do it, man. Everybody at the label, they feel some type of way. He's on your left shoulder. I'm on your right shoulder. Do it when you're ready. So check it. Check it. I'm on John Reckless

Now you gotta remember This is an R&B label So at that time Nobody know the formula You put your shit out You get an R&B nigga You out of here You going to the moon

And who's the R&B nigga Everybody's on the label Chris Brown T-Pain R. Kelly Thank God I ain't do that one You know what I'm saying I'm gonna keep going

I'm gonna keep going There's a lot of R&B niggas On this label I'm on the label My deal 1.5 million So what they doing is They mad because I signed directly

To they boss They blocking all the R&B niggas Off my project I'm talking to R&B niggas About doing features And they blocking them So this is the beginning

Of your blackballing Yeah He don't think it's real I'm trying to tell him I'm following to tell him. I'm following you. I live this shit. So they blocking me.

They blocking all the R&B niggas off my project. I'm like, damn, this is fucked up. You know what I'm saying? So this guy, Jeff Finster, me and my brother, K Slate, we in a meeting. We played the three singles. He's like, okay, I'm going to take these three singles, and I'm going to play them for the owner of the label so we can push one out there. You know what I mean? One of them we wanted to get Snoop on.

What Snoop got on? Shout out to my brother Snoop Dogg. He got on my first single. So he comes back to us, this guy Jeff Finster, who fucking got this illegitimate motherfucker by default because Chris Lighty is no longer president. Oh, he's the president at this point, this guy. I don't know what he is.

What's the title of this nigga? Don't let me call him What I want to call him Okay So he comes back to us And he's like Yo I played the records For the owner of the label

And this is the one he likes And we like Damn You sure Okay So this is the single The single Go Out What's that single

Just so happy It's It's It's fucking I think it's Bang It Out Featuring Snoop Dogg So this is the single, the single Go Out. What's that single? Just so happy. It's fucking, I think it's Bang It Out featuring Snoop Dogg. We had another one that was more commercial called Fitting Hat Low. So we at the label one day and we see the owner of the label. And we like, yo, you know, we're glad you like the record. He's like, we're glad you like the record.

He's like, we're records you like the record. He like, we're glad you like the record. He like, one record. It's only her one record. So this motherfucker lied about playing the music for the owner because he wanted the record to come out that he wanted to come out. It's not even that he wanted the record to come out. He wanted to pay Snoop Dogg so he could get kickback, which was $70,000. Wow. You understand what I'm saying? This is the fuck shit. This is why I'm saying what I'm saying to you.

This is what he did. So he lied about playing the records to the owner of the label. Then he chose a record which he can overcharge my budget for because none of them was able to take a penny out of my budget, which is why he was mad. Wow. He lied about that. Whatever he did, he did the fuck shit. Now we see the owner of the label. We found out he didn't even play the music for the nigga.

The single was out already. So before they find out he did the fuck shit, he got me off the label real quick. You know what I'm saying? And when you say got him off the label, that's like the famous thing where people say, you got dropped? You got dropped you got drunk well

they couldn't drop me like a bad they dropped me but they couldn't drop me like a bad habit because me and caseley negotiated the deal where we keep the 1.5 make some noise you got dropped with benefits all right here you know what i'm saying so we got off we got off the label man i hope i'm not saying too much. Nah, you good. Nah, nah. This is what... This is what happened. This is what happened. If anything, I'm going to tell you something, Pat. As an artist, when you...

If I do a song with you, you do a song with me. I want my fans to fuck with you. I want your fans to fuck with me. So essentially, this is what this is. This is the first time I ever traded fans. Every time I did a record with a person, I wanted their fans. The only time I ever got their fans

is reggaeton. Just being honest. That's what features are. And R. Kelly, when I did a record with R. Kelly. You got his fans? Sorry. Look, my only record I ever did with Jay-Z is with R. Kelly.

Damn, why you get to... Yo, I sent all of my core fans who follow me, I sent R. Kelly Cure. This is for my core fans who buy my music every month. I sent them Cure, y'all. Y'all know. I sent them Cure and him and his little Minions Whatever you call them They play games But I ain't really mad at them Because they was under the influence

Of the fuck shit You know what I'm saying But whatever man You went right over my head You said them Cure I had a record called Cure That eventually Erykah Badu did it

This shit is crazy That's better I want you to hear it man No but at the time I'm the hottest nigga in the world My deal 1.5 million Let's just keep talking About that 1.5

I love it It's out of here. Right, right. At that time, that time frame. At that time. Time is of the essence. By the way, he's not a molester at this time. He's a molester, but nobody knows.

Right. Unbeknownst to everybody. You know what I'm saying? Unfortunately, man. So this is the time. So you calling your label to try to get R on the record. You calling your label to try to get... I'm record. You calling your label to try to get... I'm on a label with these guys.

We label mates. Yeah. Who is it, R. Kelly? It's R. Kelly. T-Pain. Well, I fucked the T-Pain thing up. I can own that. That was my fault.

What happened with T-Pain, sir? Because I can see it in your face. Something happened. When I went to the T-Pain party, so we can lock the deal in, for him to do the record, somebody got beat up, you know what I'm saying? I ain't going to talk too much about that, but that was my fault, you know what I mean? They have on Timberlands. Yeah, because maybe this is why T-Pain don't like Timberlands.

This is why T-Pain don't like Timberlands. This is why T-Pain don't like Timberlands. No Timberlands? No, no, no, not T-Pain. Not T-Pain, of course not. No, no, no, no, butPain. T-Pain, of course not. T-Pain is my guy. T-Pain was the only guy on the label who was going to do a record with me eventually at that time. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? I was told when I first signed to the label that Chris Brown expressed that he would do a record with me. But they kept him away from me because they was hating on me too. You know what I'm saying? This is pre-Rihanna. Yeah. I'm asking. This is back then. You know what I'm saying? This is pre Rihanna. What? I'm asking. This is back then, you know what I'm saying?

So before, you know what I mean? But thank God I'm in a great space now and I got my new single. Thought I was going to stop featuring 2 Chainz, Remy Ma, Bust Lines, the way he got me in with this. We in the now, we in the now. I don't want them to see this and be like, he's bitter, he's mad.

Nah, you ain't bitter. I'm in a great space, man, but this is therapeutic. And this is stuff that people can learn from. That's really, at the end of the day, people can learn from all these experiences. Gotcha. And by the way, look, this is, what's the name of this watch company? Right there, right there at the bar. Tally and Tine. Tally and Twine. And Twine.

This is a black-owned watch company. Yeah. It's a black-owned watch company. Great dudes. I met them during Art Basel. Great dudes. What'd you say? I met them during Art Basel. Great dudes. What'd you say? I met them during Art Basel at the Rock the Bells event. And just met them. They want to collaborate with Drink Champs. They sent over

some watches for both of us. You got the same watch? Same watch. You couldn't put it on today, sir? It's for special occasions I wear it. Classy watch, man. We gotta get you back into watches. Yo, I seen pictures of you back in the days. You was juvie. We got to get you back into watches. We got to get you into watches. Yeah, I got my old watch, man.

Yo, I seen pictures of you back in the days. You was jewelry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was back in the days. That was back in the days. You don't want to buy jewelry, yo.

Oh, what? You still don't want to buy nothing. You're getting money, though. Yo, bro. My kids is getting that money, not me. Not me, brother.

I ain't getting shit. Nah, we need to upgrade something about you. Yo, my man always like, yo, my man always like, yo, make sure you call him DJ EFN. He don't like when they call him FN, man.

I'm used to it. I'm used to it. Oh, you're a legend. You welcome me anytime. You knew it. He's a legend. He's a legend. But let's just finish this because Timely Twine, this is fine.

Tally and Twine. They know my heart is in the right place. Tally and Twine. This is fine. Tally and Twine. They know my heart is in the right place. Tally and Twine. Great dudes. They say they're the only, no, the only, I think, black-owned luxury watch company. Luxury watch.

This is five bands. Yeah, from what they told me. This is five bands. That shit is fine. Yeah. This is black-owned. I like that shit, man. I told him that earlier.

I scared the shit out of him. Yeah, no, he, when I was, he was like, no, him that earlier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he when I was Classy yeah, yes class meal classes man. I will with this shit. Yeah, we're gone We should do um. Buster is mad easy to pronounce. Santiago. Buster is Naciendi. Yeah, Naciendi. Come on, man. It's a Sicilian name, though.

It's Sicilian. Listen. That's what the name of the watch should be called. Naciendi. That's it? Naciendi. Yeah. Santiago Naciendi.

There you go. Not Drink Champs. We too... Drink Champs fucking this watch up. Yeah, man. We could do a Drink Champs watch. No, man. We're too elegant. Drink champs fucking this watch up. Yeah, man. We can do a drink champs watch. No, man. We are not elegant at all.

We are not elegant. You drinking Habiki? I'm drinking my Moana. It's not elegant. But we hoodlums. We just sit out. And now, Papoose, you out here. I see you outside.

I mean, the minimum, you know what I'm saying? That's the minimum. You know what I mean? I ain't up here with the big girls. I got a watch show. I got a show just about watches. What did you want first when you got in the industry? The chain or the watch? I ain't gonna lie. The way y'all niggas

shitted back in the days, man, with them rollies. I always wanted a rollie, man. The way y'all talked about it in y'all era, man. Yes, yes, yes. Nelly, Jay-Z, Biggie, and all of them. He was a part of it. Don't let him fool y'all. Don't let him back all that. Yes, yes, yes. He was a part of it. A little fool, y'all. A little fool, y'all.

Back on that shit. He was big. He was the way right now. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I love that. He had them records, man. He had them tunnel bankers and all that. Yes, yes, yes.

So it was the watch first. It was the watch, man. Because you know why I always judge? I always know if a person chooses the watch first, that means they're going to last longer because the chain is going to... Wow. You know what it was?

When I was 13, I had gold teeth and gold chain Gucci links. It was high-low, but I had it. I had gold... I had no lack. Guess where my gold front was from? What? Obvious grid mark. Guess where mine was from?

Where? Pickett Avenue in Brownsville. And right here, USA Fleet Market. That doesn't sound like a good place, sir. I had gold teeth and I had goateef and I had chains when I was real little, but I always wanted a Rolex

because the way these guys was shining in the industry with it, I was like, I need one one day. You know what I'm saying? It's different. Like what did Mick Mill say? What's that roll?

He touched my wrist? I'm going to be honest with you. I like how you ain't know that lyric. Correct me. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if it was my birthday or Christmas. I think it was my birthday. Give a round of applause for my wife.

She bought me this as a gift. It was a birthday gift from my wife, this Rolex right here. Jesus, Jesus. And then I seen y'all wedding. Y'all got married. We got married. We got married in Long Island at a very unique place, man. It was a castle.

Yeah, it was a castle. It was a real castle. But like I said earlier, when she was incarcerated, we got married over the phone. So we had to have that big ceremony when she came home. To make up for that, right. We did it at the castle. You know what's funny? Didn't Remy Martin's people call us to book Remy Martin?

Yeah. Yeah. So this is funny. So I'm like, yo, they really. That's why I thought about y'all rap battling. Yeah, like, oh, he going to be on, so I'm next. Because to me, it was almost like a battle. It was like, all right, the rap is coming.

The Remy is coming. But y'all never rap battled Never No I really She would kill me If she rap battled me I like you being humble Nah she nice man She nice

Y'all be in ill verses Y'all against each other Nah I'm trying to get Oh That was like my next question I wouldn't have put him Against his wife White verses

Holy shit Okay hold on I wouldn't battle her You like You wife. Husband and wife versus. Holy shit. Okay, hold on. I wouldn't battle her. You fuck her versus? Yeah, that shit is fire. Who your ultimate opponent? My ultimate opponent? Yeah.

I would do it with anybody. Whoever want to smoke. Not a nigga that you want to smoke with. Who you want to smoke with. I don't got nobody in particular that I want to smoke with. The only person I wouldn't battle is LL Cool J. Come on, Slav, stop. I'm being real. That nigga. Nobody really want to battle LL Cool J. I'm just saying, in life period, wouldn't smoke with. The only person I wouldn't battle was LL Cool J. You, come on, Slav, stop. I'm being real.

That nigga... Nobody really want to battle LL Cool J. He turned out... I'm just saying, in life period, I would battle anybody except for LL Cool J. That nigga turns into Jack the Ripper. That ain't his real career.

Let me tell you something. I went to an LL show one time. By the way, I... This is real talk. I got home for... I can't even... It's top 40. All the Def Jam This is real talk. I got home for It's top 40

All the depth and things is on a top 40 tour They're like on a 40 day tour on 14 days They like me that you just Billy Hey, well real top 40, but you just cross it nigga. Like, you ain't gonna be on all these things. First day of the tour, El, I had to watch El set. He was closing out the whole shit. El left his part of the show.

He just handed out roses. See what I'm saying? This nigga different. Yo, yo, he's handing out roses, Mrs. Frey. roses. See what I'm saying? This is a different... You said that roses, bitches. Who else could do that? Maybe Kane. Kane could do that. Al is different, though. I love Kane. No, Al is different because

of his commercial success. So, let me finish this and then I'll let y'all take it back over. When Al is giving these bitches roses, they're going... And I'm looking and he's just walking around. This is when his shirt come off, though. Is he doing a song?

His can gonna stay on. What song is he doing? By the way, I think he invented that, Al. They're taking the shirt off? Oh, yeah. So I'm looking, and by the way, Al's my man. I got his phone number, but by the way, he has three rooms on tour. He has his room where he just talk to himself.

He just in there. All right, you think I'm bullshit. Where he talks to himself? No, listen, he just in there like, it's about to go down. Like, like, like. I need love. Then he has his kid's room.

Then he has all his staff room. He has three rooms. You know what I mean? It doesn't show how. I wish, I wish. Listen, anybody, like everybody who, Then he has his staff room. He has three rooms. You never been to this show? I wish, I wish. Listen, everybody who, all rappers who did shows, I was like, this nigga Norris

revealed it way too much. But anyway, so this is my first time. I'm on tour with these niggas. By the way, all of them got helicopters, private planes. I'm still on United.

I'm on Continental Airlines with the same top 40 records as them. Def Jam was like, you just gotta fit in, man. So I'm like, all right, so this is the first night. This is the first night. This is the first night. You just gotta fit in.

You just gotta fit in. Like, just go, Norman. You get the same money as they get. You just get the same treatment. I'm like, fuck it. I'm like, fuck it. I'm going with it. So this is the first night I actually stayed to watch L perform.

And my nigga, this nigga has parts of his show. Because I've seen KRS-One. You ever seen KRS-One give a speech at his show? No. Yo, KRS will rock the party an hour straight and then just stop. Do a lecture. Do you guys love yourself? Yeah.

And you tuned in. And you tuned in. I don't know if I really love me. Now, you tuned in to whatever A.R.S. wanted to say. You're a swindler. How you think I got that tennis ball? Yes.

Yes. So, L.L. has that same exact shit. L.L. loves me. So, L.L has the same exact shit. LL has the same exact shit, but he's like, yo, man, you know what I'm saying? Before you go, I need love, he's just giving out these roses, and you're not really realizing that he's about to go, I need love.

And then the bitches is falling out. And by the way, very professional. His wife and kids is in the next room. I told you, it's three rooms. One for himself, him and his security. Black love, that's why I respect that. Yes, yes, yes. Him and his security is just gassing him.

He's just walking around in one room. Then his wife, his kids is in another room. And then his production and all just walking around in one room. Then his wife, his kids is in another room. And then his production and all of them in another room. And I tell you, man, that's when I realized. I was like, damn, bro. This is why I came into this game. And I have never had

a chance to put my show together like LL. See what I'm saying about LL? Ever. I'm kidding. You go into a battle. When I was a kid, I used to battle. You know what I'm saying? You go into a battle. You're like, kid I used to battle, you know what I'm saying? You go into a battle, you're like, I'ma battle this nigga. Al morphs into another character called Jack the Ripper, you don't even know who you battling.

How can you battle this nigga? I would never battle him. Let's talk about the cannabis situation. You think Al was being a bully or cannabis driving? Let's be clear. I don't think he was being a bully. Shout out to cannabis, very dope lyricist, by the way. By the way, I don't know why. And he mentioned us in a rhyme recently.

Yeah, he said that. We went and sent him a car service. No, that's not what he said. That's what he said. He did a song for a verse. But he said something about we didn't send him a car service. He said your name, drink, check. And he said we didn't send him a car service.

Nah, shout out to Cannabis, man. We live in the future. We would send you an Uber. It's not car service, man. But we don't send car services. We don't send car services. Yo, we got you. We love you. Shout out to Cannabis. Very dope lyricist. Nah, dope. Okay. It's not car services. We don't sell car services. We don't sell this. We got you. We love you.

Shout out to Cannabis. Very dope lyricist. What? Dope? Okay. I got to say that. In your opinion, what are the illest lyricists?

I don't think LL was being a bully. I think when he said, correct me if I'm wrong, your meth with a trauma. LL, that mic on your arm. Can I borrow that? Yeah. I think it was all

fear, love, and war after that. You know what I'm saying? But like I said, shout out to Cannabis, but I think LL had a legitimate reason to go left after that. I think it was all fear, love, and war after that. You know what I'm saying? But like I said, shout out to Cannabis, but I think LL had a legitimate reason to go left after that. I don't want to wake up old demons. Both of them are dope. I respect both of them. No, it's over. It's over. But LL,

you know what I mean? Do you consider yourself a battle rapper? Nah, I used to do that when I was a kid. I'm not even lying to you. Oh, my line? We used to bang on the hallway wall together. He know. So right now, Uncle Murda say? Right now, it's like, for me, and I love the battle culture. I love battle rap.

You know what I'm saying? But for me, it's like, it's almost like going backwards. Because I was doing it when I was younger. And then I came, I returned to, I transitioned into a recording artist. You were going in the other direction. You know what I'm saying? I can't say if somebody come with the right bag, I won't do it. You know what I mean?

And you would do versus? Versus, I'd do that. Yeah. Against Uncle Merlin? Or against Remy? I'd do it against anybody. I'd do it against anybody. Cannibals?

I'd do it against whoever. And you didn't say you have one opponent. One opponent? No, I don't. No? I don't discriminate. I? I don't discriminate. I'm from Brooklyn. Okay.

Let's think, guys. Who's this perfect opponent? I don't know. Versus. If they think I'm worthy, I'll come do it. Cassidy. Cassidy?

What'd he say? Cassidy. Cassidy. Hustle? Shout out to Cass. Shout out to Bleak. Man, Bleak? Shout out to my brother Bleak. Man, Bleak is... We talk from time to Cash. Shout out to Bleak. Man, Bleak? Shout out to my brother Bleak.

Man, Bleak is... We talk from time to time. Shout out to Bleak. Shout out to Freeway. Freeway. All right. Did somebody say Outkast? I'm going to snuff somebody.

Come on, guys. Y'all are going to put a whole group on me. I'm going to snuff whoever said Outkast. You're going to take a pee-pee versus. Holy shit. That'd be interesting. That'd be interesting. That's Joe Button. Shout out to Joe Button. I don't think he rap no more.

Yeah, me neither. I've been trying to have him come outside for a while. For a while? I'm fucking with you. That's my man. They said Gillian, Joe. I seen that. They was talking about they gonna do it.

And do new raps. I seen that. Who you talking about they gonna do it and then that happened. And do new raps. I seen that. Yeah. I seen that. Who you think gonna win that? Gilly or Joe? Both of them nice, though. They are back, actually, both great lyricists. Niggas sleep on Gilly. Gilly good raps, huh? Let's just, um... I...

I don't know. I don't know. They both nice. They both nice. But they would have to be new lyrics now. Right? Because Joe can't keep doing Pump It Up. Like, you know what I'm saying? What happened though? Somebody called somebody out and somebody said, let's go.

And then we didn't hear nothing else. No, I called Joe out. I said, I want to call Joe. And Joe said no. To me. You got too many hits. He turned me down immediately, which I respected. But what people don't

know is we were at bar one hanging out and I gave him the say. I was like, let's go, me and you. He doubted that I had called Cam out. This was before Dipset shit. Joe was like, leave Cam alone. I was like, damn, nigga. I thought we was podcast brothers. Somebody else was like, yo, leave Cam alone. And I was like,

damn, nigga, I thought we was podcast brothers. Somebody else was supposed to go out there with you, though. Me and Beans. Me and Beans. Me and Beans,

but then I hooked him up with Kanye. We ain't seen Beans since. What y'all had to do. I was supposed to do. I got the mansion. No, I'm not bragging. It's for racial purposes only. I live in Jersey now. Let me not even say I got the mansion in Jersey. I got the mansion. No, I'm not bragging. Inspiration purposes only.

I live in Jersey now. Let me not even say I got the mansion in Jersey. I got the crib in Jersey now. And I went to the mall one day, and I pulled in. And I turned. I seen my nigga Beanie Siegel, man. Where the mother? He was in the mall.

Shore Hill. He was in the parking lot. The big boy mall, right? No, Westfield. Westfield. Neiman Marcus. Okay. Neiman Marcus.

Look, big boy. He back up, baby. He back up. I told Beans to come outside, and he came outside. Shout out in the mall. He was in the mall. He back up, baby. He back up. I told Beez to come outside, and he came outside. Shout out to Beez. Beez is a legend, too. That's my bro. A lot of people thought I was chastising him, but it was just an old tactics I used.

Because I didn't know the Kanye shit was going to happen, but I just was like, yo, like a lot of us are older individuals that been in the game for 10, 12, 15 years. Sometimes we have, I don't want to say low self-esteem because that's a bad term, but we forget how important we are to the community. And what it is, is sometimes you got to be in front of the community. Sometimes if you don't come outside, people ain't going to say, yo, Pat, you know what I'm saying? Right. You actually got to come outside.

You actually got to come outside to get your flowers. A lot of us, yeah, a lot of us, that's right. A lot of us stay indoors and just expect, just expect the love to come to us. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So a that's what I was that's what I realized Miami

niggas relax but that's what I realized about Miami was me being in New York was one thing for me being in Miami it allowed people to give me my flowers in Miami because people were sitting back saying, you know what? I'm a New York nigga. I can never stop being black. John Singleton lived down the block from me for the last two years of his life. And John Singleton said, you will never be on my show. I said, why?

He said, your New York accent is horrible. Like, in a good way. It's my man. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Snowfall. Why is it that other regions hate New York accent is horrible. Like, you can, in a good way. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. Snowfall. Why is it that other regions hate New York so much? Oh, don't start this, please. No, no, no.

We got to talk about this. We got to talk about this. No, because he thinks I hate New York. That's why I say don't start this. No, no, no, no, no. T.R. my nigga. T.R. my nigga. T.R. my nigga.

He feel the same way. T.R. my nigga. Let me tell y'all why I think, and then y'all can correct me. Oh, Papoose, you go onall can correct me Y'all can correct me This shit gotta be talked about I'm tired of this shit Niggas hate it Where you living right now man

I ain't relaxed Y'all still in New York I'm gonna summarize it Y'all mad at us Because we was doing this shit before y'all. Like, niggas is like, feel like New York started hip hop. When New York was shining, they ain't let us shine. So now that my region is shining, fuck New York.

Let's clown these niggas. Fuck they Timberlands. Hold on. Fuck New York! Let the Timberlands shine!. Fuck they Timberlands. Hold on. Fuck you. Let them do the job. Let them do the job. Yes. Yes. Let them do the job. That was some G shit. Why y'all be hating on us? We didn't mean, pardon us for starting hip hop. We didn't mean it. Let me not say too much. I fuck with all regions.

Don't say a lot. I fuck with all regions. See, look. I go everywhere freely and I get love because I show love. Pap, there's a misunderstanding. Why y'all love us back? Hold on. Why y'all love us back, though?, look, look. I go everywhere freely and I get love because I show love. Pap, there's a misunderstanding. Hold on. Why y'all love us back, though? Take over. I want to know why y'all be stunting on New York.

The jokes is cool. They funny. You know what I'm saying? They very funny. But y'all got to stop hating on the city, man. Come on. Yeah, they got to stop hating on us. Thank you.

This way. First of all, and you know this is true. First of all, there's a misunderstanding. There's no hating on New York. What you call that, though? Well, I don't know. There might be somebody. What did we label that shit?

Yeah, what did we label it? I don't know. I don't know specifically what you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about? Because for me, I sit back, and I see New York niggas reposting that shit, and I'm like, okay. But at the end of the day, it's hate. I don't be posting them Timberland jokes.

It's cute. What, the Timberland jokes? That can't be real. No, no. All of New funny. I don't be posting them Timberland jokes. It's cute. What, the Timberland jokes? That can't be real. No, no, all of New York. I don't like them shit tonight. Do you know the jokes that when people would go up to New York or would go talk to people, the jokes on the South, too? We never create jokes on the West.

We never create no narratives. Let's address the problem. No, but I'm saying no South jokes. Let's be honest. It's New York jokes. No, no, there was back. No, it's coming from, he's talking, what we've talked about on the show is in the problem. No, but I'm saying no South jokes. Let's be honest. It's New York jokes. No, no, there was back. No, that's, it's coming from,

he's talking, what we've talked about on the show is, in the past, I'm talking about 90s. I can't talk for right now what's happening, but in the 90s,

the industry, it's not, it wasn't the artists in New York, it wasn't, nobody, if you talk to any artist from the South

that comes from that era, they all have love and respect for the culture and where does the culture come from. And all their inspirations are artists from that era. They all have love and respect for the culture. And where does the culture come from? Right. And all our inspirations are artists from New York. They also have hate or they also have something.

No, they have hate. It's like a chip on a shoe. Yo, let me tell you something. Wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. Let me finish. Because this is a misconception. It's not a hate for New York.

It's a hate for the industry that was in New York. The industry. The same hate. The same thing that you don't like. The same thing everybody hates. Because the industry was based in New York. So what happened? Y thing that you don't like. The same thing everybody hates because the industry was based in New York. So what happened?

Y'all was oppressed? Y'all feel oppressed? No. Because I feel oppressed. They was filtering what was getting signed. Just like how you felt blackballed, they were blackballing the regions.

The rest of the country. So y'all feel blackballed. That's why the West Coast, when everything popped off, that's what they were attacking. But can I ask you guys a question? Y'all been running the game for 15 years. Who, the South?

I've run enough reparations. I've only been running the game in the podcast. I don't know, man. Listen, I sat down with T.I. on and off air. And T.I. felt the same way.

Watch with the mic. Grab it. Pull it up. No, pull it up. I don't know. I don't do this shit. MC Search, let's just answer it. I'm a hip-hop nigga. No one call me but hip-hop niggas, right? No, no. Let's get out of there, bro.

Oh, okay. Okay, shit. Kickin' him in the crib. Shout out to there, bro. The grill again. Oh, okay. Okay, shit. Kicking him in the grill. Shout out to Serge, man. MC Serge, you live on Drink Chats with Pat Boots. Make some noise for MC Serge. What's going on, Pat? He said, what's up, Pat?

Back to the grill again. The grill again. Yo, Serge, let me ask you something. Was there ever a time in the industry you didn't have a job? Um, nah. I've had a job in the music business since I'm 18 years old. God damn it, my brother. Let's make some noise for sir.

Hey! I'm calling you right back. This is our fitness op-ed. Hey, listen. You and Pap and your whole team, meet me at Carbone's. Dinner's on me tonight. All right.

I'll be there. All right. I'm done. I'll hit you in like me tonight. All right. I'll be there. All right. I'm with JetBlue, man, tonight. I'm done. I'll hit you in like 10 minutes. All right. All right. All right, bro.

All right, cool. I'd love to meet that guy, though. You have Serge? Oh, Serge is good. Have you ever met M.C. Serge? No. Great dude, man. Great dude.

Look, by the way, I was saying- He brought us nice. I love him for that. I was saying that playing around, but Serge has always had a job in hip hop, which is crazy because i feel like that's how we're supposed to walk away like when you and when it's really time to retire you're supposed to work at dev jam you're supposed to work at tune call at echo like he did he went to echo i'm so glad y'all saying this because this is what i've been advocating me and my team have been advocating my line snaps we've been advocating for me to have a position at TuneCall.

Yep. Not just as a person who, I can't think of the word right now. I'm a little hit. What'd you call it? Brand ambassador. There you go. Not just as that, but as someone who tells the truth to artists. You have equity in the establishment because I can give an honest opinion on why artists should gravitate

towards y'all. Right. And you were saying it just now. You were being honest. I mean it. I'm not even bullshitting y'all. Yeah, we know.

By experience. We know. And that's what I did. I was watching you on other interviews and I've seen you really believe, like really standing by that.

Yeah, I mean it. Because like I said, I lost my deal and I went to TuneCall and eventually it worked out for me. I can't say right away, but eventually I stuck with it. Because like I said, I lost my deal and I went to TuneCall and eventually it worked out for me. And I can't say right away, but eventually I stuck with it.

The bag is coming in. Well, before we wrap it up. Yes. What was that mind state? Because let's just think about artists who are coming in this game, they get a hit record, they get this buzz,

they get the same deal, the 1.5, the 1.2, the 1.7 or whatever, then they lose it. What was your mind state when you lost it? And did you blame yourself? Did you blame Bustler? Did you blame K. Slade? Right. I know that's a two-part question.

I'm sorry. The maturity in me, as you get older, you mature. And one thing about maturity you learn, you have to look at the man in the mirror. I blame myself. Right. Because I should have knew better. I made mistakes. Right. I mixed the man in the mirror. I blame myself. Because I should have knew better. I made mistakes. I mixed the industry with the street. I thought

that when people didn't cooperate with me, and people hated on me, I should have dressed them with violence. And that was a big mistake by me doing that. So due to the fact that I did that, I have to take full responsibility regardless of what Jeff Finster, regardless of the haters, regardless of the blackballing, I should

have knew better as a young man. You know what I'm saying? And you got to understand, me, I'm going to be honest with y'all. The closest person to me, man, in the world, our mothers are identical twin sisters. My cousin Strong, he got murdered. And, you know, music was our dream. Yeah, I knew how to rap, but it was our dream. So when we was hustling and doing negativity in the street,

music was always our way out. So when I got that $1.5 million deal and we was touring and I lost my deal and everything fell apart, we went back to the street. No way. When we went back to the street. Why'd you ever do that? Yeah, I went back to the street.

When we went back to the street, my cousin lost his life. So I feel like if my career would have took off, maybe that would have never happened. So you got to be very careful and very mindful of the decisions you make and the mistakes you make. You know what I'm saying? I don't beat myself up to the point where I blame myself, but I can't help but say, damn, what if my career would have took off? Would my little cousin still be here?

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, be careful, be mindful, and don't take things for granted. Let's take a shot for Lil' Cuz, man. Let's take a shot. Yes, yes. That was real. I definitely ain't... Oh, shit.

Nah, it is no lie. Yeah. Yeah, definitely ain't. But we're gonna take a shot for Cuz, but we're gonna... This is a happy note. Happy note. Let's do it.

Yeah, we really proud for you. Thank you, man. And this is probably my last question after this. We really proud for you. Thank note. Happy note. Let's do it. Yeah, we really proud for you Thank you, and this is this why my last question after this we really proud for you. Thank you Salute before you say that let me just say thought I was gonna stop a post feature in to change really my little way And Buster Robbins is available or did you platforms? Let's go Chance is the biggest podcast in the world thank you man let me ask you this because there's a rumor and you define this rumor

but when people say lyrical artists are not don't have money do you agree with that? obviously you can't agree with that because you outside but is that the norm if if a person is lyrical and it's just is does his life if he doesn't have the option of going on love and hip-hop or he doesn't have the option of you know, being married to, like, most lyrical MCs. What do you think for lyrical MCs?

How are we gonna look? Let me say this. You have some lyrical artists who are versatile and they're able to transition and do other things and make hit records like nori did i'm saying back in the day but but i but i want y'all to know i want it i want you i'm going to say this and a lot of people going to disagree with me and i want you to know that this is coming from a person who is not broke. Person who lives in a mansion. You know what I'm saying?

Where's nice jewelry, drives nice cars. My daughter is set for life. I'm going to say this. Say it. Money isn't everything. Woo. It's not everything. Woo.

You understand what I'm saying? And money doesn't make you a lyricist. Money doesn't make you a man. Money doesn't make you a lyricist. Money doesn't make you a man. Money doesn't make you who you are. Character, dignity, loyalty, and respect makes you who you are. Don't measure a man's character, ability, or talent by money. Woo! You got a flight?

Yeah, I do, man. All right, one more shot. Let's get out of do, man. All right, we'll get one more shot. Let's get out of here. One more shot. One more shot. Because that was the perfect way to end it, man. I'm just being honest, man. Yeah, yeah.

Salud, my brother. I'm being honest. Don't hate me for what I said today, guys. Like we told you. Nah, never. If you got to do drops, you got to do pitches. Let's do it. Whatever you need me to do, man.

I'm happy to do it. Let me just tell you, again, because we're like fake cousins, too. Remember that. We are. We are. Why are y'all fake cousins? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that guy. We related. We related on and on.

I wish I knew that back in the day. I was trying to get on. You would have been a homeboy. I would have been like, yo, canery, can I get on the song? Let's take this. But our show, respect. Papoose, you're a legend. Thank you, man.

You're a dude that stood the test of time. You could have cracked. You could have folded. You could have left your wife. You could have did a lot of dumb shit. Real talk. And you stood there. I watch you at times, and I want to be a better version of me.

Thank you, brother. Because I sit back and I say, damn, you know, I want my wife to know I love her just as much as that. What you show and you distribute. And that's why I did Love & Hip Hop, too. Wow. Because it was just like, you know what? It was two reasons. It was like, I can be that better version of me,

and I can be that better version of me on TV. And then it's also when DMX passed away. Rest in peace. That dude, I spent the last two weeks of his life, he every single day X'd with me. Six weeks, six weeks, every single day X'd with me and I'm just fucking with him. Damn, I'm getting a little emotional, I'm bugging out.

But man, when he passed, I wanted to do the same thing I did when my father passed. So when my father passed, it was 1998, it was the biggest year of my life. I So when my father passed, it was 1998. It was the biggest year of my life. I had the number one record, the number one album, number one, and then I lost my father. It looked good on you, man.

Your father was a boxer, man. Yeah, yeah. So I say that to say, so I did this, but at the end of the day, had it not been the image of you and R.I.M. Wow. Like how y'all held it down. Like, yo, you can do this. You can navigate through this and still be you.

I wouldn't have been able to survive. Like, the X shit hit me real hard. It still hit me. I still cry. Like, you know, just like my brother Twin. You know, the other day, you know, I'm just me, JB, being the creator.

I was crying because of my boy twin because I be trying to be tough. But in all reality, I'm not. It hurt. I'm actually a human. So I say that to say I want to thank you. I want to thank you as an artist. I want to thank you as a father. I want to thank you as a husband.

Thank you. I want to thank you because it's versions of you that I say, you know what, let me straighten up. The proof can't be out here being better than me in every version. He's battling you out. Can I say something to Norrie? Yeah. I want to apologize to you, brother, because you messaged me

and you invited me to your anniversary. Yes, I did. And I tried everything in my power to make it, and I couldn't make it. I know it was a wonderful anniversary without me being there. I only couldn't imagine. But I want to thank you for being an advocate for black love and living it out

through your family structure. And I want to thank you just for that alone, brother. So let's give a round of applause. Let's give a round of applause. Let's take a picture and wrap it up. I want to say one thing. I'm going to say this since we're talking about relationships and marriage.

I got to say it. I say it all the time. One more shot. A woman is the most... Before I say it, I'm going to say one thing. I'm going to say this since we're talking about relationships and marriage. I got to say it. I say it all the time. One more shot? A woman is the most... Before I say it, I'm going to take a shot. One more shot. Let's do it.

I got to say it. I'm sorry. I do the same shit. That's crazy. Me and my wife just started wrapping up. Because I feel married people should hang with married people.

Yes. Yes, please. Because we bounce off each other and it's therapeutic. And I hope I still can get an invite even though I didn't make the last one

No you can get the invite We can be doing it Every fucking year I gotta come man Because you invited me Salute Let's just take a flick And do the drop

Let's get out of here Wait what's that Finish the statement Before I'm gonna say This last thing In case you're not married I wanna let you know A woman is the most precious jewel

More precious than the ruby Emerald diamond or sapphire Each man has to take one woman And rise her above the rest so she can show the world how precious she truly is. Meaning, if you don't put your woman on a pedestal and show her that loyalty and that love, you cannot respect that in return, my brothers. Peace.

Jesus. I'm about to say, can you do a 16? You can't do a 16. You good. You drunk. I just want them to get, uh, thought I was going to stop featuring 2 Chainz, Rih Mali. There we go. There we go. There we go.

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