Drink Champs - Episode 302 w/ Money B and Young Hump (of Digital Underground)

Episode Date: February 18, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with Money B and Young Hump of the iconic group Digital Underground!Money B and Young Hump join us and tell classic stories of Digital Underground, 2Pac, Shock G and more! D.U. shares stories about their journey, production, performances and much much more!Lots of great stories that you don't want to miss!#LongLiveShockG #LongLiveTupac Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs:http://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. With a good beat, hopefully with a shimmy, this your boy NAOLAA. What up, it's DJ EFN. And it's Drink Champs motherfucking Yappy Hour. Make some noise! Now, right now, man, when we talk about legends of legends,

we talk about groups historically that's been there from the test of time from when hip-hop, you know, took that turning point from it being,

you know, happy to it being serious to it being almost death-threatening or death-happening. to it being serious to it being almost death threatening or death happening. We didn't never see that until this group had introduced

an individual first time we ever seen him. We seen them with this group and they was going all around the world getting a lot of finger popping. In case you don't know what the fuck we talking about. I was thinking of some other shit, but I didn't want to go too far.

We talking about Digital Motherfucking Underground! Yay! Rest in peace, Shock G. Rest in peace, Shock G. Rest in peace, Tupac. So now, Digital Underground, what was the original, what was it, three of y'all at first? Original version of Digital Underground on What was the original? Wasn't it three of y'all at first? Original version of Digital Underground on the first record,

it was Shot G and Shotmaster J. You know, the single came out, Underwater Rhymes, in 1988. And me and Fuse weren't even in the group back then. Wow. So we actually got in the group through doing shows with them. Wow. Right, we was doing a little Bay Area circuit of shows and they needed a DJ.

But me and Fuse were already Raw Fusion. We were a group. And, you know, they set up a meeting through him and Chop Master J was the other person. Chop Master J. Chop Master J. Not Jam Master J.

No, Chop Master. No, not Jam Master J. And not at all considered a band because I've heard that Digital Underground felt like it was supposed to be like a band. Well, Shock was a musician. Right, right.

So he was always going to have musicianship in it. Right. But, fun fact, Shock was actually in like an R&B band called the Spice Regime before that. The Spice Regime? Spice Regime. That shit sound funky right now. Yeah, it was called the Spice Regime. So, you know, I think one of the cats had Jericho or something.

You know what I mean? It was one of them types of things. Like the old Sheila. Hit the sequins and shit? Nah, he wasn't wearing that. Nah, he kept it hip-hop. Right, right. But, you know, they set up a meeting with Fuse,

but it just so happened that Fuse was renting a room out of my mom's apartment. He was living with us. We was, you know know Living in the spot So Bro decided to be the DJ But he was like You know

We a group Right Fuck with me You gotta fuck with Money B And that's That's really how I got in the group Well you said something That was very important just now

You mentioned the Bay Area Right Now Because of I'll get straight to it Because of Tupac And Tupac endeavors, a lot of people associate all of you guys

with L.A. They just think that it took me years to realize when you were in the A, you're doing this, but L.A. is gangbanging shit going on. But Cali doesn't get it twisted, but everybody else might. Everybody else, yeah. Cali does not get it twisted. You're correct. But I'm saying in general,

in totality, people just think Cali is L.A. Yeah, no, no, Cali does not get a twist. You're correct. But I'm saying in general, in totality, people just think California is LA. Yeah, for sure. Just like people think the East Coast is just New York. Yeah, I always get that. Especially back in the day, motherfuckers come and they call me like, yo, I'm in Cali. I'm at the Hilton on Sunset. I'm like, nigga, I'm in Oakland. You're a former film on the street, nigga.

I would be mad far away. Okay, so now let's stress the elephant in the room, right? You played Humpty in the movie, correct? Yes, sir. And it's the Tupac movie.

Yes, all of it. So how do you get approached? What happens? All right, boom. I'm a skinny light-skinned nigga. Yeah, you fit the description. My whole life, you know,

motherfuckers said I resemble Shaq here and there. You know what I mean? I was born with the nose I got. You know, it is what it is. And when they made the big movie, I was like, yo, they're going to make the Pac movie. Wow.

I should bust a play on that. So I just... Wait, hold on. Let me stop you for a second. So you're saying when you saw the big movie, you had the vision from there? Okay, continue. That's L.

That is L. Continue. I'm sitting like, yo, I think I can fuck around and be that guy. And y'all had no connection. I hadn't even met him yet. So what ended up happening was I had my stepbrother film me just throwing on the shit

like, yo, peace or something. Yeah, ah. I'm out there in the streets trying to make it happen, trying to get an audition. Long story short, I end up getting an audition. Now, before I get the audition,

I bump into Shock, right? Right. And I show him, because my family knows Shock. That's a whole other thing. But basically, I'd only been around Shock. You bumped into him in California? Yeah. I pulled up on him on a show, and I showed him the video.

He's like, yo, you got it. So then we start building. He starts dropping jewels on me. Excuse me. He starts dropping jewels on me. So now I got the momentum. Long story short, I get the audition. Shout out to my brother, LT Hutton, who put me on.

That's a director, correct? A producer. Yeah. But prior to that, before I got the opportunity to audition, Shock was like, yo, you should fuck with Money B and do shows. And so I connect with Mun. Wait, Shock's telling you to do this? Yo, you should tell this part of the story.

Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. This is bad. Wait, wait, wait. Okay. You meet, for lack of a better term, you call him, wait. This is bad. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, you meet, for lack of a better term, you call him Shock,

I'm calling him Humpty, right? All right, so you met with Humpty and Humpty said you should do shows with Money B. Yeah, because when I was... Whoa, okay, okay. To fool the people or...

No, no, no, no. Okay. So as Digital Underground, we really stopped touring and performing together as a group. Maybe, I think, I'm going to say 2013. 2014 was the last. Was there a reason for that or no?

Shock just was he was burnt out on it. You know what I mean? Plus he wanted to, you know, he wanted to go and really play his jazz piano. He had made it to Florida, right? Yeah, I was going to say, was he living out here yet? No, he was still alive. This was like 2013. Okay. So a year passed by and he was still alive. This was like 2013.

So a year passed by and he was like, yo, I got this dude. You should hook up with him and take him on the road and do the show the way you want to do it. Because Shock wanted to lean more to the musicianship. I'm a hip-hop nigga. I still want to do the records the way we do the records with the DJ and everything else. He was like, I got somebody that you can go and you nigga. I still, I want to do the records the way we do the records with the DJ and everything

else. He was like, I got somebody that you can go and you go do it the way you want to do it. Then when I'm ready to come back, cause Shock always wanted to just be Shock and stay behind the keyboard. And we were always searching for somebody that could play that character, but that could actually rhyme as well. You know, his brother, his brother was in same song video. You know, we always had another person, but we never had nobody with skills. Wait,, his brother was in same song video. You know, we always had another person,

but we never had nobody with skills. Wait, who's brother was in the same song video? Shaq G. His brother was... That's how we was fooling people, because his brother used to talk with us. That's the joint with Pac on it, right? Yeah.

Right, right. That's the first time you ever seen Pac. His brother really looked like him with the nose on. Yeah, you can't tell the difference. They would do that, right? His brother would play some brother. Yeah, yeah. Like our city on the hill. So that's where MF Doom got this from. Yeah, we would take tell the difference. They would do that, right? His brother would play. Yeah, would play. Yeah. Like, I'll send you a heart.

Yeah. So that's where MF Doom got this from. Let's just be clear. Yeah, we would take pictures and shit, whatever. I thought when he was trying to hook me up with him, I was like, this nigga trying to set me up. Like, you know what I mean? Because me and Shock.

It didn't feel right to you. And Shock is a practical jokester. He got jokester ass. Yeah, so I didn't know if he was trying to send me out to fail. Like, he was just sending the nigga over. So I was like, I don't know about that. So, okay. So then when I meet this man, I'm like, yo, Money B, peace, brother.

He's looking at me like. What's happening, man? But you're acting like him. You're acting like Shock. No, no, no. I'm in my regular, you know. But when I saw him, I knew it was him. Yeah, yeah.

And I was like. And we met at... It was a Tupac exhibit? Yeah, the Grammy Museum. Yeah, exhibit at the Grammy Museum. Oh, by Wilshire. Yeah, right down at the Grammy Museum. Yeah, I know what's that.

It was like a little panel thing that we was doing. And I seen him. And I was like, oh, that's bro, right? And I was like... I said, you know what? Let me see what this do. This nigga has an ice grill. This nigga has an ice grill.

Oh, he not letting you just pass through. Okay, that's good. I mean, it's only right. Come on. Big shoes to fill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big dude. But see, but Shock's vision was, you know, we found out he wanted me to go out

because when he was ready to come back He wanted somebody That could be that person Right So he could just stay Behind the keyboards And play the music Because he You know

One thing that he Said that he never Got a chance To play the Humpty Humpty Dance Bassline live Because he was always Humpty

Right And he wanted to Do that And he's You know He's like I would freak it Right

You know Because he had some tricks He was going to do that shit Right But he never got to do that and he's like I would freak it you know because he had some tricks he was going to do that shit but he never got to do it he produced those records he produced yeah he produced all that shit

all that shit played the keyboard solos in the video other people may be playing but that's Shock on the record playing all that shit yeah Shock was a genius

he did all the artwork too on all the artwork yeah he drew all that shit the Humpty Dance cover all that shit speaking of which... Okay. I got some gifts.

I told you I got gifts. Okay, cool. No problem. We here. You know, and Nori, you might not... I don't know. Okay. If you fuck with this one.

But I got the vinyl. Yeah. I just need some of your Nas vinyl. Dude, I wanted to find my original vinyl. But look though. Open this one. I'm going to take it. This is the tape I bought as a kid. Open that one. When you look at it... Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. But look though, open this one. I'm going to take it.

This is the tape I bought as a kid. Open that one when you look at it. I'm going to set it in. I don't know if you're going to take it or you're going to let them keep that on the joint. Let me see. What is this? It's the vinyl. And it got the original opened up

because you got the cassette. They redid it. But look at the vinyl though. Oh, this is redone. Yeah, it's a re-release, but it's doper. It's shock draw, I need to cut this. Pull it out. Ooh.

There's someone just sent me a lot of vinyl. He's got the Sex Package Blue. Ooh. Ooh, sexy. Is that Tommy Boy Records on there? Yeah, man. Oh, y'all can fuck with Tom Silverman too? And then, I've got the Shock G Forever. What's Tommy Boy records on there? Yeah, man. Oh, y'all can fuck my time soon, man, too? Yeah.

I've got the Shaq G forever. Who was that? I'm large. Large or XL. It doesn't matter. Okay, XL. Okay, cool. Let's do it. Word. So, hold on. Y'all was on Tommy Boy, too? Yeah, we was on Tommy Boy when RZA was signed.

Oh, Prince Rakeem. Yeah, Prince Rakeem. That's why they show him in the thing because we were on the same label with us, Latifah. What did you talk about? The Wu-Tang sign?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You talked about part two or part one? Both. Both? They mentioned Tommy Boy in part one? Yeah, well, in part two

they show a Humpty character walk past. Oh, I didn't see part two. But in the first one they mention it when he go. So, I didn't even see parts. But in the first one, they mention it. Okay, okay. When he go. So, yeah, Latifah,

Daylight was still there and then we was there right when... Did Tom still remember where I line at the time? Bro. What? What the fuck?

Come on, man. He used to come around where I line. We'd have meetings and have lots of sandwiches and bacon in there. I'm like, what the fuck? I don't know. I don't know. He didn to come around with a lot of them. He'd have meetings and have lots of sandwiches and bacon in there. I'm like, what the fuck? I don't know.

I don't know. He didn't have one? I don't know. You don't know? I wasn't looking in his eyes like that. I can't. I was looking at you. It was just dripping.

I was like, God damn it. Mascara looking, motherfucker. Come on. Geez, I'm just playing talk. I'm trying to get my masters back. All right. Yeah, we was there. Naughty came right after us.

Uh-huh. And I'm trying to think it was Apache All right. Yeah, we was there. Naughty came right after us. And I'm trying to think it was Apache. He came right after too. Okay. So how was the experience? Because at that time, I wasn't on Tommy Boy when you guys,

like you guys, Lordy by Nature, Queen Latifah. Daylight. Daylight. This is a powerhouse label. When I came, the label was...

He was RuPaul in them. Yeah, huh? RuPaul in them. No, I don't know. I definitely don't know. No, but tell me it wasn't a dance label. I think about it, bro. I was like, what?

He was out there with RuPaul. RuPaul and the homies. He was a gay. No, Fat Man Scoop. I wasn't there at that time. So let me ask you, how was it at that time being on a powerhouse label,

especially in the 80s? Well, it was dope because touring, like every time we toured, they would always send us and Latifah together. East Coast, West Coast, wow. Yeah, and then even...

So complimented coast-wise? Is that... Just because we was on the same label. You know what I mean? So the very first time we... I think we toured Europe, but you know, we toured Europe with Latifah,

we toured Japan with Latifah. Before the record came out? Right, as it was coming out. Do What You Like is out? Yeah, Do What You Like, we did Europe with Do What You Like. But when Humpty Dance came out was when we did

all the United States shit. So we did the Kane tour with Latifah. And I'm not sure if she was on the Public Enemy tour, but we did a lot of shit with them. And then crazy is that the reason that we were in that movie, Nothing But Trouble, is because they originally wanted Daylight to be in that movie. And they wereouble, is because they originally wanted Dayline to be in that movie. And they were busy. They couldn't do it.

There was potholes in their lawn. So then, you're right. And so I guess somebody, you know, Tommy Boy was like, well, we got

these other motherfuckers and Dan Aykroyd came to one of our shows. That's crazy. Saw us. They came back, started smoking weed. He's a musician too, right?

Dan Aykroyd, he's a musician. Yeah, he came back. I thought he sniffed cocaine. Probably does that too. Everything. I don't know. Let's make some noise with Dan Aykroyd

sniffing cocaine. Yeah, we chill. Why are we making noise? Yeah, but Tommy Boy put us on. Let's go. So you grateful for Tommy Boy?

Until they kicked us off. I mean, you know. Wait a minute. Until they dropped us. Until they dropped us. Oh, wait a minute. I didn't hear this story. Please share this story. Oh, so what happened?

After Kiss You Back, this is the story. So Kiss You Back was, you know, we was on a roll. Same song, Kiss You Back, all that shit. And Tommy Boy was pressuring us or pressuring Shock same song, Kiss You Back, all that shit. And Tommy Boy was pressuring us, or pressuring Shock, to make another Kiss You Back. And Shock is an artist.

So one thing I always say, the only constant to Digital Underground is change. We're never going to do the same thing that we did. So to rebel, he never said it out loud, but Shock made the opposite of that on our next album. He made it as gritty as he could do without making any of those type of songs. And it was like, man, fuck y'all.

That was it. Man. And there was no other place to go after that? Well, we put our records after that. Independent. Yeah, we did, like, we put our records after that. Independent. Yeah, we did like, Jake Records was an independent label. We did Future Rhythm and Who Got the Gravy after that. And now, you know, Who Got the Gravy was, Big Pun was on that album.

And Karis One and Biz. Right around the so-called East Coast, West Coast shit. You know, we had Biz Pun Karis One All on the record To prove the point And they had songs too They dope songs

That was kind of My next question Like I think When I was seeing Digital Underground I seen N.W.A.

I seen the coast Get along I seen people Like happy To share West Coast culture I seen the coast get along. I've seen people happy to share West Coast culture. I've seen the East Coast happy to share East Coast culture.

Right. You being there, when was the time that you've seen the East Coast? When was the first time you said, there is a difference

or someone's trying to break this up? Or did you ever see that? Oh, yeah, yeah. Because that's the thing. As far as It felt like people were led Into believing that that was

Right Yeah, just It really didn't exist In our In our Space You know what I mean? Because we still was doing shows

And we was fucking with Whoever It was really just Big and pop And motherfuckers And you know You got to meet Big? You met Big?

Yeah, absolutely Okay, I can finish this story I blame it on them You know the magazines And the media You know they perpetuated it So if you were outside Of the hip hop community

For real for real Then you might believe that You know cause I had motherfuckers Used to ride up on me Man we just whooped shit Out of these East Coast niggas I'm like what You know what I mean

We just whooped these fools From pop And I'll be like Thanks You know what I mean? We just whooped these fools from pot. And I'll be like, thanks? You know what I mean? I don't know what the fuck y'all doing. But, you know, but I was still

would talk on the phone with Premier or whoever. You know what I mean? Like, it didn't affect any of my relationships, I don't believe. But, you know, whichever artist

that kind of like, they needed a jump for their career, kind of bit into that shit and that's what it was. It was like the original tragic clickbait. Yeah,

yeah, that's the way to get your shit off is to be like, yeah, I'm riding for such and such. Because the two camps were beefing,

but then it just, the media is what really kind of like. Yeah, turned it into some different shit. Yeah, I don't want to say

just the media. We had, if it was just them two, we had people like West Side. Well, no, then it started to snowball. It didn't help. Yeah, I don't want to say just the media. We had, if it was just them two, we had people like West Side. Well, no, then it started to snowball. It didn't help. Well, yeah.

It didn't help. Okay, so think about that. Right. However it happened, and then, you know, and I've had conversations, but, you know, Master Ace making

that Slaughterhouse thing, and then West Side Connection. Yeah, I forgot about that. West Side Connection responded to that. Wow. You know what I mean? It was like before Mobb Deep and y'all did that. They did that.

Yeah. Because that's how, that's why West Side. That was a couple years before. That's what I'm saying. A couple years before. West Coast, West Side Connection really was built around that. Retaliating. To the Mass Day Slaughterhouse?

In a sense, yeah. Oh, because, yeah, sense Yeah Right around that time Cause Mac 10 Was already signed He had his album out And then when they did that It was like oh They formed a super group

Like this is the Standing up for the west And it's crazy Cause it felt like Mass Days really embraced The west coast Like the car culture He made

Well the thing about it was He made that song He said he didn't But trying to clown The west coast But motherfuckers On the west coast Was bumping it Cause it was banging he made that song, he said he didn't, but trying to clown the West Coast, but motherfuckers on the West Coast was bumping it. It was banging.

The same song he took off? That same song. Get the fuck out of there. Yeah, because he had the West, the Roger, he had the West Coast beat in there. Oh, so you say that that was the clown? I thought he was all into the car culture and that's why he did it.

No, you're talking about sitting on chrome. Oh, that's what I'm talking about. You're talking about Slaughterhouse. Slaughterhouse, helaughterhouse. He's going crazy. He just nicked his own. All that shit. He's a hick of crazy niggas on what? I don't even know what he was talking about.

When he was clowning, we had the Compton hat and the jerry curl. He was fucking with it. But the song was dope. That album is classic. Yeah, we were rocking it. But then when he made the remix to, well, he made the remix before Sitting on Chrome. Sitting on Chrome was the remix to Born to Roll.

Born to Roll was after that. Cheap-ass nigga. Cheap-ass nigga. And Sitting on Chrome, but whatever. When he made those, then the shit took off. Those were the biggest records, right? And they, you know, he became like a fucking superstar. My face?

Yeah, on that shit. Holy shit. I forgot about all that, yo. What? The slow to house. Yeah, I never even put it in that perspective. Listen, you know what? I never been to that.

This is not from there. No, no, I've never been to it. Listen, you know what? I never... This is not from there. No, no, I've never been to there. That's what I'm saying. You just answered my question. I mean, you answered my statement. I've never been there, so if he was dropping, like, hints, I had never been to the West Coast,

so I wouldn't even know. You understand what I'm saying? You look at the video, it got to me with the drippy ass Jerry. Remember, not everybody was seeing as many videos at that point. But that's what I'm saying. Like, if you saw it, you would know. Right. Right. Or if you hear it,

it's like, eh. But it was, you know. But now that you say it, now it registers. Yeah. But, you know, it ended up being Genius' move. Did you watch the verses with Master Ace the other day? Master Ace? No, No no when he came out

Oh you mean with Kane I didn't I didn't get to see it You didn't see that Bro Yeah And that's the one I wanted to see

I think we was We was I don't know what I was doing I was doing some dumb shit It's your man Kane Oh yeah Kane's my guy Oh yeah I'm gonna drink this

Shock G beer Man come on Let's do it Oh really Okay so I'll look Would you do a versus Would you You know what And if so Guess who Oh yeah I'm gonna drink this Shock G beer Man come on Let's do it Oh real Okay salute Would you do a verse You know what And if so

Guess who I don't know That'd be up to you guys Like Cause you gotta What you gotta pick What is it like 20 songs

Yeah You've been switching it up Haven't you I mean Or is it still that I'll let you do what the fuck You wanna do It's hip hop

It's hip hop I mean let me ask y'all Digital planets Diggable planets Yeah Diggable planets Hmm I mean

So Do you guys Consider yourselves A band Going back to that Cause I'm saying I started to hear that I never thought of

Digital Underground as a band So if it was considered a band It would have been Before the roots No We weren't a band Digital So if it was considered a band, it would have been before The Roots. No, we weren't a band. Digital Underground was more like a production team. Meaning, you know, Shop was a

producer. Maybe going up against the Bomb Squad and Public Enemy. In that type of vein? I guess if you was going to pull Sister Soldier and then have Flaves separate, because I say that to say, it was a collective, right? And I guess if he was going to pull Sister Soldier and then have Flavs separate. Because I say that to say it was a collective, right? And remember I said he pulled me and Fuse in.

We were Raw Fusion before Digital Underground. Tupac had his path before Digital Underground. Mystic, Saphir. Cletus Mack. You know, Cletus Mack. The Loonies. The Loonies had their thing first. But I'm saying they all had their, we all had our thing.

And it was like, come help me do this and I'm going to do everything that I can. Huh? DU University? Pretty much. Yeah. And I'll help you get your deal that you want. And so in all of our deals, we always had a clause, you know, because you signed a label back then. Right.

You know, you couldn't go work with somebody off your label but all of our deals were they couldn't stop us from working with Digital Underground so we were always able to go and do whatever we wanted with digital but we all had people think oh Tupac left

Digital Underground and he got it no he came in to set him up to get the deal. Same thing with Raw Fusion. Same thing with Gold Money. All of us. You know, we were, I always say, we were Wu-Tang before Wu-Tang. Right. You know, in a sense.

So let me ask you. You meet Shaw, and he recommends you play him in the movie? Well, I showed him the video. And he was like, yo, you got it. You got it. And then he was putting out the word to people that he

recommended me to play him. To play him. Because he knew that he would be in the Pac movie. Yeah, because you can't tell a Pac story without him.

You know what I mean? Yeah, hell yeah. And so it was just, and then when me and him started rocking shows, that gave a nigga the credibility. Because I'm walking

into the audition like, nigga, I'm already out here doing it with this man. But you're doing shows and people are knowing that it's you? Or people are... Well, that's what it was originally. Originally, it was Money B featuring Humpty Hump. So I'm coming out and they're thinking it's me and shit, right? And thinking it's him.

And then there was a situation where... There was a situation where we both had shows shock had a show he had a trio with him peewee infused acoustic trio he wasn't doing humpty shit so it was within the same 30 days you can't be in the same city at the same time so shock said you know what y'all keep i'm thinking it's a wrap like his money's getting compromised he's gonna it's over had fun right but he said nah you do the show, I'll chill. He's like, what you got to do is you got to come with your own name. You can't be Humpty Hump.

You got to be your own shit. So I'm sitting on it meditating. What should I do with it? Young Hump. Boom, I come with Young Hump. And there the nigga was born. So then, you feel me? So he's happy.

And the beauty is. I got some YHs on your nose. You feel me? Shout out to 40 H ounce Chris For making this particular Laugh in this Yeah yeah yeah I'm up with you I got it my nigga

I wouldn't expect any less I'm up with you I'm up with you The best shit though is I just want everyone to know How generous Shock was Cause he gives me This opportunity

Like here my nigga Get on stage And make some money Performing these songs You grew up loving Pardon me My voice is I was at the Ray and Ghost show loving. Pardon me, my voice is,

I was at the Ray and Ghost show the other night yelling my voice. Oh, we were at Minnesota, Minneapolis? No, L.A. L.A.,

okay. L.A., I'm an L.A. nigga. Okay. And so long story short. And he wasn't asking nothing from you for those shows.

He wasn't asking no money, he was just go out there and do that shit. That's crazy, man. And then when the opportunity came where it was his show or our show,

he let us have it and told me to keep doing it. So he was always just here, just giving. I always tell motherfuckers, the G is for generosity. Oh, wow. Real shit. Generous brother. So let me ask you,

I like to know your history too. I like to know your history. But let me ask you, you ask 10 people 10 different stories, you ask 10 people 10 things about Tupac, you get ten different answers. All true. And they all true. I love that you knew where I was going.

But can you tell us the different versions of Tupac you met? Starting from when you, how did you meet him? Obviously the first Tupac you met was the humble Tupac. Of course, the first one. The first one. That was five minutes later. Yeah, five minutes later you said he changed like cuckoo. But yeah, let's describe these different versions of Tupac.

You know, I always tell people, because the myth or what I always hear is like, oh man, because remember when Juice came out, he played the character, and he's like, it's like, oh, Pac is, when Juice came out he played the character and he's like, it's like, oh, Pac is, you know,

he's starting to feel himself. He became Bishop as a lot of people said. But I'm like, he was wilder than Bishop before that. He actually, by the time y'all knew

who he was, he had calmed down because he was just a wild nigga out in the city, out in the jungles. Right. You know,

little projects or whatever and he ain't have shit so he was, he was going for it. So you was there when Digital hooked up with Fox? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, can you describe that? Yeah, so he was in a group called Strictly Dope. Okay.

With Ray Love and DJ Dizzy. They signed. Local Bay Area, right? Yeah, Bay Area. Okay. Ray Love actually had a solo career as well. So, excuse me,

they were managed by Layla Steinberg. She knew H.E. Gregory who was our manager and we were signed to TNT Records, his label. And he was like, well, I need you guys to hear this group. You know, Shaq had heard Pac in the studio need you guys to hear this group.

You know, Shock had heard Pac in the studio before, but then to hear the whole group, we all had to go meet. What year is this around? This is right, 89, 88, 89. So you guys already got records out? No. No? No, we had Do What You Like out.

But all around that time when we were shooting the video, they were around. You know, so they basically had to audition for us out in the streets, all three of them rapping. And, you know, when I first heard them, I thought that Ray and Pac

were equally talented MCs. I thought they were cool. But it was just Pac's personality was, you know, if you were in the room. From the first day you met him. From the first day, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He consumed the room. Right. You know, he just had that much charisma, personality, whatever you want to call it. He had that thing about him, like you paid attention to him.

Right. And he made sure you paid attention to him. Right. But, as you know, as we got to know him, and really, because we were the same age, I'm like a year older,

we were the closest in age. So when he would come to Oakland to record or do whatever, I had the crib that was on the block. You know, I'm in the thick of it. And I got the turntables in the room and the four-track tape. I got the Run DMC pictures on the wall and shit like that. Chicks coming by, I got the turntables in the room and, you know, four-track tape. I got the Run DMC pictures on the wall and shit like that.

Chicks coming by. I got the 40s. So he liked to hang out. This is Mr. Oakland right here. He liked to hang out where I was at, so he'd always come through. And, you know, you get to learn him for real. He didn't have much, so respect was everything. Right.

So he wasn't taking any, you know, he wasn't having it. He would do whatever to make sure that he, that you respected him from, from the junk. You know what I mean? But he was a very, also very intelligent. You feel me? You know, I can say it in a rhyme. There's a song I did, Still Tugging, with Mack Maul and Yuck Mouth, right? No, it was Ambitions on the Still Tugging album. But I say, these youngsters with the tats on their belly for the look, I said, if you really want to be like Pac, read a book. Because he would read.

He wrote poetry. He was well-read. You want to be like Pac, read a book, nigga. He studied. He strategized and planned things out all the time. All right. And he was a Gemini too, right? Yeah, June Gemini. Yeah, he'll flip on you quick.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? No, I mean, you know. Oh, and he can freestyle like a motherfucker. Oh, yeah? Oh, man. I always said that. There's different versions of Geminis, obviously.

And people have different. But the most unique part is when you are all of them. Oh, yeah. To me, I believe when Pac said Brenda had a baby. I believed him. I believed his feeling. But I also believed, I wonder why you call him Bitch Yeah I mean

They were all his truth But you Yeah He wore He wore everything on his sleeve He let you know However he felt that day But we all feel like that

Right You know if you walk out And a cop pull up on you And harass you You want to Fuck the police Right As soon as you leave that cop

Right You see a fat ass You're like whoa Yeah Let's do it Tell me how you want it Yeah Tell me how you want it. Yeah, tell me how you want it. You can make all the records

in the same day. Right. But, all right, so, and I know you might not be able to answer this, but maybe you can.

I don't know. When was the time, because it was like, when I'm looking at, what was it, Same Gang? Oh,

Same Gang. Oh, Same Gang. Oh, Same Gang. The pop was on, right? No, no, no. He's not on that. No, he's not on that one. Same song. What was the one?

Same song. Same song. Same song. I'm confused. When you look at that pop, you got the Afrocentric. I think he got a bone in his nose. He got a... It's like, to see that pop.

Did you meet the Def Ro to pop? I never was around Def Ro but I spoke to pop several times and I saw him the last time I actually saw him was after All Eyes On Me had come out. Okay.

But I would hear stories, but I never spent any time actually in that environment. All right. So I couldn't tell you no death row shit. Yeah. So you definitely, yeah, because. You guys purposely stayed away from each other at that time? No. I mean, I remember one time he said, come down, they shooting some videos, right?

And it ended up being America's Most Wanted. What's the loop? How do you want it? They did them two days in a row. But when he said come down to L.A., I had heard stories that it wasn't a great environment. And also, I knew know I'm not really a a jump up and follow type guy but I know that in that environment if something happened

and somebody go woo woo or something he gotta go and go with the gang or whatever and I'm just not that's not my was you surprised like I said the first person you met the first kind of person you met then to the person that he became. Because, like you said, you said he always was real, he always, but it was like excessive at this point.

Well, I knew. I mean, that evolution seemed like it was kind of going a little bit in that direction. Yeah, but here's the thing. I always knew, like I remember in the early days when, you know, Pac was just moving with us, certain situations would happen. And, you know, he wanted to do something, right? And if we didn't want to do it, he's like, man, fuck that. You know, like when I get my own shit, motherfuckers are going to follow me. They're going to do what I want to do.

And he used to go off like that. When I get my own shit Motherfuckers gonna follow me They gonna do what I wanna do And da da da da They used to go off like that So I knew once he got that power To do And he had people That would follow him And do whatever He was gonna use it

Cause he wanted to From the beginning Right You know Right I mean as we all I guess would But I don't know

Right What Ice-T said Ice-T said money don't change you It makes you more who you are It has to It has to be who you are Yeah yeah yeah So I mean I just Good or for bad I don't think I don't change you, it makes you more who you are. It has to, it has to be who you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I just don't...

Good or for bad. I don't think that, you know, Pop turned into this super thug overnight or because he was with Def Roe. You know, he just, he was a person. You know what I mean? And I think that if you

you know, he just got out of jail. Right. Right. And it's hard to trust people he don't know what's what

because he went to jail and some bullshit. Yeah. In my opinion. Yeah. From what we know. Apparently his time in there wasn't anything.

Yeah, and you know, he just moved different. Right. And I, you know, he just moved different. Right. And, you know, I don't know what circumstances and situations

would change any person. You know, your experiences make you who you are. Right. So I don't know what that was. Did Shock talk to him? I know you said

you didn't really deal with him much in Death Row days, but was Shock G dealing with him at all? Mm, I don't know. I had an e an ear i don't want to say eerie conversation but i had a conversation with shock during uh i believe it was how can i be down conference and i can't remember and i wish i could remember everything we spoke about all i know is that he was trying to explain away

the Pac's behavior in terms of what Death Row had created. Like, what that, how he evolved through Death Row.

But here's the thing. People act like, you know, Death Row was this thing, but he was only on Death Row for nine months. No, no.

Yeah, but that nine months, I can't lie to you. But in terms of his career and his life, it's very short. I agree with you. I 100% agree with you, but that nine months felt like nine years, though. People focus on it, right? But it was only nine months. But it's 90 proof.

You know, it's like, it was the most concentrated, maybe. It was concentrated, but okay, so. Perfect example, here's a story. And this will explain, like, it didn't change much. I remember when we did Juice, we auditioned for Juice, right? Only auditioned for Juice? Yeah, tell them about that.

Well, don't. You got to get into these details He trying to say This man not chill out Yeah in Juicy Come on No no no So

The original Like I was the one That was called To really They wanted me to audition Like cause we were Kara Lewis

What For audition For what role For For Steel The one Okay yeah

Spoke crack don't you? From Lead On Me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That role. So that was the role... This nigga was supposed to be cooking the eggs, pouring the food.

He was supposed to have the boom box. Yeah. So they did it. Yeah, so I got the script to audition, right? And, um, but I knew I couldn't act

and I knew that Pac had went to school for it. So first I was asking him to help me prepare for it. But as I'm reading the script, I'm like, this thing will remind me of you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And so, you know, we. Is that a compliment? I don't know. It is. It is. But I also knew that he could pull it off. Right.

Right. Right. So we get to talking about, you know, let's see if we can get Pop to audition for it. Right. And Adrian, who was our manager, you know, he pulled some if we can get Pop to audition for it. And Adrian, who was our manager, you know, he pulled some strings, he hooked it up. So we went there, but also Tretch was auditioning for... Bishop too.

No, the other one, Q, is that his name? Yeah, Q. The one that Omar Epps played. Oh yeah, Q, that was Q. I always call my DJ that, when I heard his fillings, I called him Q. GQ, GQ. Because he's local. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Right? I call my DJ that. DJ Butch Rock is local. So the dream was I was going to be still, Pop was going to be Bishop, and Tretcher's going to be Q. Like, we was all going to be in the movie together.

Right. Right? But we get up there. You know, I go in the room, crank it, fuck it up. Right. Well, you tried. I tried. the room, crank it, fuck it up. Well, you tried.

I tried. I knew I wasn't going to get it. And then I came, I come out, Pac goes in the room, he auditions, and then you just hear clapping and cheering and shit. And he come out,

he's like, man, I think they like me. I was like, man, you got this shit. And I don't know what happened with Trish.

Well, he still made it to the movie. Yeah, he was in the movie because he was there. Pac pulled him. If you was Pac's friend, he was pulling you into that movie. Just like you pulled Pac in. Just like you pulled Pac in. Yeah, if he was in it.

So the story is, I know I'm talking long. No, no, no. After we leave the audition, because they dropped us off, we had to catch a cab back down to our hotel. We was in Manhattan or whatever. So we're in the cab, and somehow, it was with me, Tretch, and Tupac, and the

cab niggas talking shit, right? I don't know what happened. By the time we get close to the thing, Tretch and Pop pull a cab driver up and start beating the shit out of him. Just whooping his ass. And I'm like, I don't want none of that. Right? I'm like, y'all crazy.

And I'll go, but I'm just saying, he was there anyway. He was already Bishop. Yeah, he was already ready. It wasn't that he turned into Bishop. Yeah, so what I'm saying is, now he's with Def Roe. You talk shit, you're not just going to get beat by him and Tretch. You're going to get beat by Def Roe. Right, right.

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In fact, LiveScar, that's my crew. You know what I'm saying? I've been little homies to them. So I never met Pac. You know Madge? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All little homies to them. So, I never... So, you know Madge? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Madge is my guy. All of them. But I was around Nas when Nas completed Belly.

Now, I believe I could be incorrect, but they had a lot of reshoots. So, Nas kept going in and having to be this character, Sincere. So, when Nas, two, three months after, Nas finished Belly, he would be walking around with a sincere cat. And not to say the Koofy.

Right. And, or they called it the Crown, I believe. And it would be times I would just be talking to him and I'm like, this motherfucker's sincere. Yeah. Like, he didn't catch on. I don't know if he caught it. But we were definitely like, you know, when you play a character for two months straight,

you have to embody that. It's hard for you to just turn it off. Did you see that with the Juice character? I know we asked. He said that he, reading the script, he already saw Bishop and Pac. How hard is it? Did you see

any type of change Was it a little bit of upgrade Was it like Nah he had some money Okay And he's fucking bitches He had some Well yeah he's already

Yeah Nah Pac was always Right He had Jada Pickett around Look at his face He's fucked up That was after Tony Justin

I'm sorry I don't want no smoke. I'm just saying, it went to fuckers. No, that was his really good friend. That was his really good friend. So he would always talk about her, but we didn't meet her.

Oh, they were childhood friends, right? Yeah, yeah, they were back in Baltimore. Right, right. So he was always talking about, yeah, my friend Jada, you got me Jada, Jada, Jada, Jada, Jada. So who had the most groupies on tour? Uh.

Yeah, what's true? You mean in our group? Yeah, your group, Jada, Jada, Jada. So who had the most groupies on tour? It's true? You mean in our group? Yeah, your group, yeah. On tour? Yeah, who had the most groupies? Who was finger popping the most? Shaq G had the most opportunities. Now, let's just be clear.

Was he finger popping as Shaq G or as Humpty Dumpty? Funny story. Who got more pussy, Shaq G or Humpty Dumpty? Funny how they both competed against each other. Well, no. Shaq got the pussy, Shock G or Humpty? Funny how they both competed against each other. Well, no, Shock got the most, right? But one time I remember him coming down and he was like, yo, this chick, she, he said Humpty Hump just got his first piece of pussy. Because he's like, she wanted me to keep the nose on.

And she, you know, she didn't want him to take it off. She wanted Humpty Hump to fuck her. And he was not Happy about that You know he's like Like she don't want me She want this character right He felt a certain way That she wanted him to keep the nose

He did it He's like This bitch is asking me to keep the nose on He's like so I'm fucking her right With the nose on her. He's like, so I'm fucking her, right? With the nose on. Then he mad. Then he got mad. So, you know, I know of one time that Humpty Hump got down.

Wow. Let me tell you one thing about him as I watched the interview on him. And how he would break down, you know, voice tones. He would understand how Nas rhymed like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How Biggie rhymed like this. And I met him. It was funny that you said you had a conversation with him.

I met him one time, and he was breaking down my voice notes. He was telling me how I rhymed. And I had no idea what he was talking about until he passed away. What did he say? He was just telling me, like, that I rhymed from a certain pilot. You know what I'm saying?

Well, I sent you. Didn't I send you that clip where he was doing a verse of Super Thug or something? Yeah, but this is before that. Oh, you sent that. I sent you that, yeah. But I sent it to you.

This is before that, though. This is before that. This was me and... We was in Arkansas or some shit. And we was just sitting there and I'm looking. I'm like, is that him? And he's looking.

Is that him? Is that him? Because we're both dolo and shit. Like in some rinky-dink airport. And he starts telling me. And then I seen that footage. Not the footage of him rhyming with me, but the footage. And I would realize how analytically he is.

It reminded me of Kanye. Kanye the other day would just break down hip-hop like sports. He just really can't compare hip-hop to hip-hop. He has to compare hip-hop like sports he just really can't compare hip-hop to hip-hop he has to compare hip-hop to sports but it's a deep meaning and it's shock remind me of that it was it was well he does and he so that's that's even how he used me on records like my voice was an instrument to blend in with the songs that he was making. So he would just be like, so he's the first person, you know, you used to, you rhyme,

motherfuckers in your beat, 16 bars, break, hook, da-da-da. Shop would just play and then he'd just fill in the pockets of where he thought voices should go around his music. So he'd be like, man, I need you to do three bars right here or do eight here, and then I would just go in and do it.

And then, but then he would move shit around or he would just lay it how he heard it. And I would just go in and do it and let him layer it and blend it in with the composition. So he was really like Dr. Dre out this motherfucker. Yeah. And where he get that from? You know how you say your favorite rapper's

favorite rapper? Shaq G was your favorite producer's favorite producer because anybody that knew, like, Dre was a fan of Shaq for sure. Yo, Shaq told me that Dre asked him to be a member of NWA in the 80s. What? And he said, I'm doing my own thing. Shock told me that I ain't come to drink Tamsa Talaida, y'all niggas.

Whoa! That's ill. He said, I'm doing my own thing. That's ill. Yeah, because even when we did All in the Same Gang, right? We got to talk about it. Yeah, so, you know. That was self-destruction for the West Coast, correct?

Pretty much. Yeah, exactly that. But in the part that we did, you know, Shock's playing it, right? You know, on the part, he breaks down and he's playing like the... So he produced that part? That part. So Dre had him come in to play it. And Shock told me, I wasn't in the studio,

but Shock was like, when he was playing the Humpty, Dre was like... Trying to see how he was doing it. You know, Shaq was that guy. Okay, so let me just ask you, because this is something that I just... He's sitting around. Y'all got Digital Underground, and he says, I'm going to be two different niggas? How does this...

What's the birth of Humpty? Yeah, what's the birth?, yeah, what's the birth, like, did he want to be like, yo, listen, did y'all think it was corny at first?

Like, what, how was it? Nah, um, the first time you really, if you go back and watch the Do What You Like video,

Humpty's in the video, but at that time, he didn't have a name. Right. It was just a character that he, that was, you know,

cause he, he had MC Blowfish, Shop was, That video was. Right. It was just a character that he, that was, you know, because he had MC Blowfish. That video was wild, too, by the way. You know, Shock had 30 characters. Right. That we know about. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Right. But even the Humpty Dance came about because it was a couple of songs that we couldn't get clear. So Humpty Dance and Freaks in the Industry were like the last two songs that were recorded. And the only reason we recorded them is because two of the songs couldn't get clear. We tried to use like a Kraftwerk sample for a song that didn't get clear. But he, I remember going out. I remember I borrowed my manager's car. Car or car?

Car. Okay, okay. Got drunk, crashed it, shit, came back, I was so drunk I didn't even act like nothing happened, but I was like, listen to this shit. As soon as I heard it on the four track, I was like, we outta here. And that was, do what you like?

Humpty dance. Oh, Humpty dance, okay. Yeah, first time, and I still have the cassette with the four track version of the song, and the break and okay. Yeah, first time. And I still have the cassette with the four-track version of the song. And the break and the drums is just cutting through crazy. It's more hip. You know, it's hip-hop, but the four-track version is just a little grittier, right? Right.

But first time I heard it, I was like, this is it. And I don't know between what you like and making that song when he named the character, but all I know is I heard that song and it was called the Humpty Dance for Humpty Hump. And then you knew that. DJ enough, I'm live on Drink Chats for Digital Underground. God damn it. I hit you so I'm done. My bad.

Cool, no problem. Did he say he was going to do the whole character, though? I know he appeared... No, but... Let me ask you a question, because you did say, did we think it was corny or was it weird? During when we shot the Do What You Like video, it was just a wild video.

We were just having fun. Acting crazy. So whatever he wanted to do was like, whatever. Because we was on some whatever shit You know the Bay Area was like It's just a diverse It's really a do what you like Type of environment

You know That's where fucking The Grateful Dead is from Fucking Field Mall Slam Slide Family Stone Function

You know it's just funk It's hate street It's freedom Right To be who you are Right Family Stone, Convunction, you know, it's just funk, it's Hate Street, it's freedom to be who you are. Right? So if that's what he wanted to do, it was like, we're rocking with it. But that was the first time in hip-hop we showed that one person

had two different personalities. After that, you see Method Man, Takao, you see Nas Escobar, you see Nori, Jose Luis Gacha but the first time and not only that

he actually acted out his character he was committed to the character oh yeah I don't think we've had a backstory and everything

other than MF Doom because I never thought it was MF Doom performing I kid you not I'm so sorry I'm so sorry I just always thought

it was like he just said fuck it the industry fucked me so I'm fucking the industry back and I'm going to have ten shows always thought it was like, he just said, fuck it, the industry fucked me, so I'm fucking the industry back, and I'm going to have 10 shows at once. This is before Instagram and Twitter,

so I thought MF Dune would be at 10 shows at the same time. The rumor is that he would do that. You know, I didn't even know who that was for a long time. Who, MF Dune? Yeah, because you know, I was like, God, we toured together

with Third Bass. With Third Bass, right. You want me to tell you some shit? What? I might have been at least 35 years old before I realized how GMD was. That's the same old thing. Thanks for your man.

I ain't trying to go through this whole interview. I'm going to take a shot for that. Hey. What I was saying. You know what? You know in the movie. I had to be grown, grown to realize what? And I was just like, what?

I was like, oh, shit. I was like, that was the same note. Your Arsenio Hall shit fucked everybody up. Yeah, you know what? Yeah, so we played it right. In the movie Goodfellas, when dude is like, the Lufthansa heist, the greatest heist ever pulled. That's in JFK.

They pulled off the robbery at the airport. Humpty Hump was the greatest trick pulled on hip hop ever. Because niggas didn't know that shit for 30 years. Yeah, I didn't know it for 30 years. And we're arguing and fighting about it. Why wasn't two of them in the video? Come on. I'm one of them.

I'm one of them. So this is not a marketing scheme from the label. This is him or this is something y'all came up with? No, this is his creation. Oh, wow. Remember, even before that, he was MC Blowfish from Underwater Rhymes. And Blowfish, for people that don't know, that's the most dangerous fish that you can eat on Earth. Blowfish.

Yeah, the most dangerous MC in the sea. Oh, I get it. Oh. MC Blowfish. It didn't make sense to me back then, Blowfish. But then I got a little bit of money, and I was like, yeah, Blowfish is dangerous, motherfucker. Yeah, he's dangerous. He's a dangerous MC.

And Shock told me this. He said, when they recorded the song,, he's dangerous. He's a dangerous MC. And Shock told me this. He said, when they recorded the song, Do What You Like, he just does the voice. They go to, when y'all was doing the video, they hit the party supply store, buying mad noses, just giving everybody nose. That's why MC Lyte got the nose in the video. He said when he put the nose on with the voice,

it was magic, right? Wow. So then they looking at the edit in the video, and they like, nigga, that's that. So they cut out everybody else wearing the noses, but we're going to leave light, because we got MC Light wearing the nose, we're going to leave that.

So he just kind of cut all the other shit out. So he created it in real time, like the character. Yeah, in the video. It's legendary, man. Like it spoke to him. It just had the definition of organic. Yeah, so there was no meeting about, this is what we're going to do.

I got this idea. No, it's he showed on set. He was wearing the nose We was like I call for lack of a better term. That's like the first gimmick in hip-hop, right? Hmm Okay, this gimmick a bad word. No, it's not but I don't know that that was the first one I don't have to really think you know what you can't use that you so loosely, right? But there was other people who just respect him. It's gimmicks like that. Spikes, yeah, spikes. Because spikes, I would look at spikes like a gimmick, too.

You mean like Rayman splashing them? Yeah, like, I mean, wasn't that... That was that era, though. Yeah, they had to because they were performing with Confunction

and those, you know, groups that had to rock the shit. That's what it was. Rick James and them. They were inspired by those groups. Rick James, yeah.

That's what a rock star was. And they all aspired to be rock stars from the time. Like there was no rap star. And remember, Kaz was here saying that a lot of those early years, they were with punk rock groups. That's what I'm saying. They were all kind of looking alike. Looking at Rick James, like that's it.

Like even, That's it. When Fuck Me Up, you ever see Beach Street, when... That's it. Well, fuck me up when you ever see Beach Street when he got the dudes with the shit. The Mohawks? I'm like, all right,

you're doing too much. Yeah, they was just fucked up. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. So we got a game that we play on our show. Oh, shit.

It's called Quick Time with Slime. It's a shot game. I'm training Charles. I need y'all to relax. Shot game. Oh, my God. All right, so we're going

to play... Oh, my God. That's the side of the room, y'all. Y'all was distracting me. So it's, you pick one or the other. If you pick two, you take a shot. If you pick none, then you take a shot. And we take a shot with you.

Okay. Just not me today, I'm just fucked up today. But I don't have a problem. Okay, you ready? Who's drinking brandy? No, no, no, I don't want medication. Okay, come on, Sonny. Sonny, come on today. But I don't have a problem. Okay, you ready? Who's drinking? I don't want Medicaid. Sonny, come on. Sonny, we need you over here.

Sonny, come over here. Come on, Sonny. Sonny, get your ass up. Put your Rolex back on. You take it off on the weekends? What are you doing? I'll say it. Put the R back on. You take it off on the weekends? What are you doing? Oh, shit. You put the Raleigh on, Nick.

Come on, come on. Let's go. All right. Off top, I don't... Sit by me. I don't mind. You can stand there. Sit right there.

But what kind of shots you guys want? What you got? Man, I'm just drinking this shot. What you got? No, no. We got Dulce. We got Ciro shots you guys want? What you got? Man, I'm just drinking a shot of Gigi. What you got? No, no, we got Dulce. We got Ciroc. Yo, we got the tequila for you.

This is Mama Juana, this is Mama Juana. What is it? It's Mama Juana. I don't recommend it. Don't do it? I don't, I don't. What it taste like? Ass.

I think you'll like it. He said I think you'll like it. I think you'll like it. It taste like ass and pennies. Okay. I like pennies. You. It tastes like ass and pennies. Okay. I like pennies. You like pennies? I eat pennies.

I can come eat ass. That's eating ass. If you eat pennies. I can tell you if I'm a fuckwit or not. I need to ask you to say that's what ass tastes like. Pennies. It could be a show or religious movement, whatever you want it to be. Yeah, yeah, whatever.

All right. So you ready? I'm ready. Yeah, you don't got to take it yet. Oh, yeah, whatever. All right, so you ready? I'm ready. Yeah, you don't gotta take it yet. Oh, no, no, no, you ain't gotta go that far. You ain't gotta go that far. No, I'm not gonna shoot. You keep that bottle, I got another one over here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't fucking with you like that. Oh! I'm just gonna sip it. You gotta get shot soon, huh? Yeah, come on. Well, if I need to, I'll drink some. Yeah, yeah, get some Ciroc. Get some Ciroc.

Get some Ciroc. You guys are a team right now. All right, all right, I'm gonna start it off. Yeah, this is a double. I'm gonna start it with you and then I'm gonna bounce back up. Okay. Oh, we don't both answer just one at a time? One at a time. Yeah, one at a team right now. All right, I'm going to start it off. I'm going to start it with you, and then I'm going to bounce back and forth. Okay. Oh, we don't both answer just one at a time?

One at a time. Yeah, one at a time for now to make it... But you got to drink either way. Yeah. Okay. Too short or E-40? You talking to him or me? You. Too short.

All right, I'm going to ask you this, too. Too short or E-40? Wow. Short dog. And you said... Too short. You said short dog, too. Wow. Short dog. And you said? Too short. You said short dog. I'm from Oakland.

All right. Is there a reason why? I'm from Oakland. No, on the real, there's a reason why. Because too short is really my biggest inspiration to think that I could become an MC. Only because growing up in Oakland, I thought that you had to be from New York or L.A. to make a record.

But to, you know, when I was a kid or a teenager and to see a motherfucker that's on the same bus with you and he got a record out, that's how I can do it.

You rode the bus for too short? I've been on the bus. Okay. I've seen him on the bus before. The Charlie? Huh? The Charlie? No, not the Charlie.

Actually, no, I take that back. I was on a bus and he was at the bus stop He's outside row by and he had the oh too short hat But you know just being able to see and touch somebody that was doing it made me feel like I could I could do it So I'm always say bitch, it changed your life. Exactly. I'm always good too short. Too short. I love you short. My nigga. Too short.

Souls of Mischief or De La Soul? De La. I gots to do De La. And I got a reason for that. I've always said that De La Soul, you know, everybody talk about they got many styles. De La has many styles from song to song, cadence to concept that goes specifically with the track. I think De La does that better and more than any hip hop group in history. I agree.

De La got their masters back. Is that something you guys are interested in? I'm happy for them. And it was time. Is it something you guys want to try to do? Well, you know, I don't even know if I should say

this loud, but I'm going to say it loud. The only reason being for some artists, because after, after i think it's 33 or 34 years no matter what your masters revert back to you anyway and only reason why i say not to say it loud because labels also know that so if they're still making money off your masters when it gets close to that time they start trying to do shit to hold you up. But I'm not sure how many years passed. But from what I understand, if it's Warner or Tommy Boy,

they also still kind of make money from it. But I think all artists, especially from the era, we should all get our masters back. One more thing before we move on. You know on Daylight, you know on Pop. Correct. You know on the original Pop, and then Pop has this record,

dissing De La later on in life. Where was you at? How did you comprehend that? I thought it was a misunderstanding, and I thought that... Oh, you knew what it was about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, in the video. Oh, that, you knew what it was about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, in the video... Oh, that was something specific that it was about?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember the video where De La Soul is... They perpetrated drugs. Yeah, and they got they all in the hot tub, and then they just fake and all that shit. Pop was like, thought they was taking shots at him. All around the world. He's in the hot tub.

Not from... You know the song. Get Around? Not from Get Around. But I'm saying not taking shots at y'all and I Get Around. Tupac took it

as De La was taking shots at him when they was like perpetrating with the, with the top tub and then they take the shit away

or whatever. He felt like it looked too much like him in that video. So, like I said, Pac is going to snap back right away. It was surprising to me because we were cool with De La. And I'm sure De La thought the same thing.

Right. So it caught them off guard, if anything. Right. And I don't think that De La did that specifically to take a shot at Pac. They were just taking a shot at... At the industry. At the industry. Right.

Because that's what niggas do, you know. It's in every R&B video. Right. Motherfucking hot shot at the industry. At the industry. Right. Cuz that's what niggas do. You know, it's in every R&B video. Right. Motherfucking hot tub with the girls. Right, right. Da da da da. So that's what that was about. So when I heard it, I was like, ah.

You know, but I'm not sure. Look, tell me what Google says. I think that they kind of made peace with that before he passed. Okay. Biggie or big pun? Biggie. Lyrically or as a person? Whatever you want.

I'm going to go with big. You're going to go with big? Because I know him. Okay. Tupac or DMX? Tupac. McAvely. Easy.

Okay. L.A. or Miami? Wow. He's from L.A., so he's going to say that. West L.A. is in the building. I don't know enough about Miami, so I'm going to say LA. Okay. Obviously LA, right?

Yeah. I've only been here. But the motherfucking purple tape was written here, so I'm loving Miami. Shout out to y'all niggas, man. So Yuck Mouth or Mr. Fab? Yuck Mouth, nigga. It's crazy because Mr. Fab is from my neighborhood. But lyrically,

I always say that Yuck Mouth doesn't even get appreciated half as much as he should. He's a beast. So Yuck Mouth. Okay. If we're talking hip hop. Yuck Mouth.

All day. Okay, Scarface or Ice Cube? Take a shot. Cube. Cube. Cube? Yeah, you said that too easy. Nah, it's my, you easy Nah that's my You know

Face is my guy And we love Face Oh yeah Face is my guy Motherfucking Death to the forget I'm riding with that He's the guy But you know Cube

Come on Alright Okay Radio or podcast In my older age Podcast Okay I don't even listen to the radio

No more Alright Me neither 80s or 90s hip hop? 90s 80s 90s 80s

80s? Yeah Why? Because that's what shaped me Right? You know We came out in 90 But I

I took everything You know We took the The EPMD. You fell in love with it in the 80s. Yeah, Rakim, Karis One. It molded you. The Crash Crew, the Fearless Four, you know, that's my shit. Okay.

Fresh Gordon from Tommy Boy. NWA or Wu-Tang? NWA. my shit. Okay. Fresh Gordon from Tommy Boy. NWA or Wu-Tang? NWA. Wu-Tang, I gots to represent for why. You know how to start taking shots when y'all disagree. Oh, that's what you want? I'll take a shot. Yeah, take a shot. Come on, come on, come on. Hey!

I see what his shot is, so I'm only going to do that much. You don't have to do the whole shot. You said NWA like that, and you said Wu-Tang like that. I did, I swear. Okay, I just wanted to see your explanation NWA. that And you said Wootek like that I did, I swear Okay, I just wanted to see Your explanation of NWA Well You took a shot? We actually

Digital Underground Comes from the NWA family If it wasn't for NWA Yep Because our H and Gregory He used to He used to road manage

For Roofless Records Wow, that's crazy And he used the money That he made Working with Roofless to start his label, which signed Digital Underground. Wow. So we came up under and around NWA. But that's, you know, that's just part of it. The other reason is, you know, I'm from Oakland, and if you know our culture, you know, we ride around with 415s in the trunk.

We banging. So when Wu-Tang came out, I didn't hear it because we wasn't slapping it in our cars like that because it didn't bump. I used to like, what's it? They used to underdog shit. Wu-Tang Clan, that was my shit. Right? I used to play that in my Mustang. Right, okay.

And I had, like I said, I had four 15s. That shit used to pound. But other than that, it wasn't what I was riding around, and the ladies wasn't paying attention to that. That's what I was on. I was rocking too short. B.H.? Well, if it ain't got no...

The bass, the bass. Wu-Tang didn't have enough bass lines for me. Right. You feel me? It had nothing to do with them personally. It's just that it's... And it was, you know, it was mixed sonically. N.W.A. would sound better in my car than Wu-Tang.

Wu-Tang was more of a headphones on the train type shit. I got it. Well, it took me a while to get it. Like, I love Wu-Tang. But I didn't get it when they first came out. Right. So now you said Wu-Tang. I said it Well it took me a while To get it Like I love Wu-Tang But I didn't get it When they first came out Right So now you

You said Wu-Tang Being from LA I said it quickly Oh he's a Wu-Tang guy I need to know the explanation Yo man My perspective On the matter at hand

Is that the Wu-Tang Is the greatest shit That ever happened to hip hop I said it Quote me In any shape form or fashion I love the God so much I just came from the rest

While my voice is parched. I was over there wiling at the Ray Ghost and Jizz at Three Chambers tour. That's how I get down. I mean, if anything, both of those crews and those groups

are the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah, no, they're... That's the ultimate person right there. The ultimate person. Wootay wouldn't exist without N.W.A.

From the N.W.A. and the tree, that's what's fun. What I'm saying is they're both equally great but if you ask me one or the other off the rip

I'm going to immediately say NWA I'm going to say NWA over a lot of groups Right, absolutely You know You might say Digital Underground

or NWA I'm going to like I don't know My two favorite albums is Death Certificate and Only Bill for Cuba Lynx Death Certificate

Ice Cube That's one of the best albums in hip-hop and in music, I think. Like, one of the best albums. Okay. All right. DJ Quick or Dr. Dre? Pour me a shot. I wasn't going to drink a shot, but I'll drink a shot.

It's about to have measure. Yo, that's the hardest question. He finally got me one. He finally got me, man. He finally got me. You don't want no more of a watermelon? They don't have measurements that are capable of answering that question, so. I respect that. This is red.

This is red to y'all niggas. I love y'all. Quick, Dre, love you. So we just drinking? Yeah. Just both of you? Just drink to DJ Quick and Dr. Dre. I love them both.

You know what's crazy? You know what's crazy? You know what's crazy? What's crazy is, you know, we're going through this Travis Scott travesty that just happened in the astral world of Houston.

Rest in peace to everyone who lost their life. Rest in peace. And, you know, everyone who got hurt, you know, my love, go out to them.

But today on Twitter, because I always go on Twitter because it's a negative fucking place. So today on Twitter, because I always go on Twitter because it's a negative fucking place. So today on Twitter, they're reporting other people who stage dive and other people who did mosh pit type of shit. And there's this whole monologue

of DJ Quick doing that. And I'm like, whoa. His music doesn't reflect that. Like, I don't listen to a DJ quick thing and be like, he's going to be mosh pit.

But this is in relation to the Travis Scott shit? No, they were just showing how people today, they were just giving examples how other artists, you know, do a mosh pit.

And he's been doing it. And he, they showed a monologue of him like a couple of times just jumping in the crowd. A montage, right, right. A montage, yeah.

A montage. Surfers like them, like picking him up. And he's like laying back and I'm like, whoa! This is the most white boy in the shit I've ever seen. Like, quick dude, because you know, quick is just hood to me. He's a G.

I actually didn't go to his festival show. So, they're showing him in festivals and they're comparing. What they were trying to do was say, like, yo, listen. You know, the security wasn't great at the Travis Scott thing, but it wasn't Travis's fault. You know what I'm saying? So that's what they

were trying to explain on Twitter. But the funny part was I got to see DJ Quick, you know what I'm saying? I wonder what song he did. He jumped just like Compton. I've never seen DJ Quick, you know what I'm saying? I wonder what song he did, he jumped, just like Compton. I've never seen DJ Quick not smooth. He's always been

the smoothest motherfucker ever. Yo, I see Quick DJ one time and earlier that day he was on Instagram posting a story at Amoeba Records in LA

buying records. The nigga comes to the gig with all vinyl, he plays a record, takes it off, hands it to a nigga in the crowd, throws the next record on,

spins it, takes it off, hands it to a nigga in the crowd. Those the next record on spins It takes off hands it to it And I seen that motherfucker do tricks I'm ready exhibit or Rask as grass grass Yeah answer that way too fast. Raz is my little brother. That's my brother. That's family.

But Raz has a family. I got to call Raz as soon as we get out of here. That nigga said I'm a- And Exhibit is my man, too. You know what I mean? But Raz is my- But that nigga said I'm a cross between Clarence Thomas and Nostradamus. You already know I'm going to touch that ass.

No, Raz is a beast. I mean, you are- Okay, I got it. I got it. Raz is having those lines that haunt you. Raz is an unofficial member of Digital Underground. That's what's up. Oh shit, that's big up to Raz.

Okay. He's a great dude, man. XXL or The Source? Wow. I probably read The Source more than XXL. Yeah, that's a fact. So I would say The Source. Okay. Yeah. And it's I would say the source. Okay.

Yeah. And it's Haiti. Only because. Okay, Rap City or YOM TV Raps? Rap City. YOM TV Raps. That becomes a generational thing. Yeah, YOM TV Raps, that's how we started that shit.

I would say you and the band on the basement. YOM TV Raps, Dr. Dre and Ed Lover? I feel you, but T-Money? I just spoke to Ed Lover. Yeah. You know, I'm an unofficial Queens nigga, too. That's what I be. Oakland or San Francisco? Oakland. What are you talking about?

You take a drink. You take a shot. Shit, I wish I could hear it. You even asking me a question like that. Let me be actual about this man right here. This is the most Oakland nigga in the world, but he's a motherfucking 49ers fan. So this nigga be walking around

with the Niners hat on and all these Oakland niggas with the Raiders hats be sweating him. But they took the Raiders from y'all, right? But I'm saying historically, you have to imagine him

in the early 90s when Oakland was the murder capital of the world, of the country, whatever, and he's walking around with the Niners hat on and all these Oakland niggas is like, I love mine, but that nigga got the 40.

I don't understand. Right, right, right. And that's the enemy football team? Yeah. It's like the Jesse Giants. Y'all take that shit, that looks serious. Hit me 40. All right.

Salute. Juice or above the rim? Juice. Juice soundtrack. Juice. Juice soundtrack. No, the Juice soundtrack was dope, but so was Above the Rim soundtrack. But you going off of soundtracks?

I'm just throwing that in there. But anyway, let me ask you, Juice soundtrack or Above the Rim soundtrack? No, no, I ain't saying soundtrack, I'm saying movie. I know, but I'm asking you right now. Oh, I don't remember any soundtrack. Yeah, they both liked the soundtrack. My God. Yeah, I was, yeah.

Now you need to grow up. I was in jail. No. I was in jail. We didn't grow up. But Juice changed niggas' lives. Niggas saw Juice. Niggas saw Juice live.

And I went to jail because of Juice. Niggas saw Juice. I was going to say. You went to jail because of Juice. That made me a DJ. That's what I'm saying. I've seen your interviews. Niggas saw Juice and I became shooters or DJs.

Yeah. But there was a shooting at the corner when it happened. Yeah. I saw Juice and I became shooters or DJs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like there was a shooting at the corner. What happened? What happened? What happened?

Or they were shooting DJs. Shooting. Or shooting DJs. Oh, shit. Holy shit. Or shooting ass DJs. So who you going with? Juice or Barnabas?

I'll go with Juice. Yeah, you going with Juice. I already said Juice. OK, all right. You got to come. You already said juice. Okay, all right. You got to come up with some harder ones. All right. This is my engineer who did that. He Googled it.

He Googled it. Self-destruction or all in the same game? Same game. Self-destruction. Self-destruction was the first one. Yeah. Yeah, that's the OG. Was everybody on set for that? Everybody was there?

No. We were on tour when they shot that video. So everybody else, you know, they shot around Nickerson Gardens, all that shit. That's in Watts. Yeah, they did all of that. That's Kendrick in them hood, right? That's J-Rock. J-Rock, yeah.

That's the Bounty Hunter bus. Okay, yeah. Bounty Hunter. We were on tour, so we left the tour. We had a day off. We flew in and we shot our part just that one day.

Right. So we didn't get to do it, but we did Arsenio Hall with everybody. Right. I don't know if you ever saw that. Yeah, yeah. We did it all in the same game

on Arsenio Hall, and we were all there. That shit was dope. This shit was epic. Self-destructive video was the hardest video, but I'm sure it was epic. Both of them together, I mean, it was just it to Hall. And we were all there. That shit was dope. This shit was epic. Self-destruction video was the hardest video, but I'm still going to stand there. Both of them together,

I mean, it was just crazy. I want to get back into that when we finish this. And that's the only reason I say self-destruction because it was the original. It was the first. No, no, absolutely.

I respect that. I want to get back into that. And D-Nice made the beat. Right. Kanye or Pharrell? Pharrell. Kanye. Okay. Kanye. Okay.

Okay. KRS-One or Kane? You making it difficult. Take a shot? You got a little left over there. Let me think about that. Let me think about that for a minute. Come on, let's take a shot. He put his rollie back on.

I got to take a piss. I'm going to see how I'm going to get it. Chaos One or Kane? I am going to say... Do I want to say? That's tough. Wait. Let me answer.

I'm out. I got time. Yeah. All right out. I got to talk to you. Yeah. We saving your shot, though. I'm trying to think of the reasons why. Because I know you're going to ask me. Let me go with Kane. Why?

Kane. You said you toured with him. Obviously. So he's a good friend of mine. But I'll say this. Karis One's catalog is greater, right? But to me, you know, I judge MCs on when they came on the scene, did they change MCing? did they change him seeing?

Did they change the game? Right, right. Like, when... Or, you know, did something change? Mm-hmm. Right? You know, when Rakim came on, nobody...

It shifted with Rakim. Yeah, it shifted, right. He made these albums, Intellectual Words, and he didn't curse. Kane, when he was peaking and when he came in, he shifted it.

He made everyone wear flat tops. Not just with the style, but the style and just the way that he was kicking it. And you don't think Karis won, dude? I think Karis won. No, no, nobody wanted to dress like Karis won. But, but, but, no, no, we're not talking about this. That's what I'm saying.

We follow this movement, but no one wanted to dress like Karis won. You're a pageantry boy. There's not a nigga in the world that said No one wants to dress like Karis You're a pageantry boy There's not a nigga in the world That said I want to dress like Chris No I'm sorry I love Karis So here's the thing You know

I was getting ready for this I was doing pushups Thinking about what he was going to ask me Right And I'm just saying like Kane Karis won And Rakim are my three favorite rappers.

So today I'm gonna say Kane, tomorrow I might say Karras1. Tomorrow I might say, the next day I might say Rakim. I'm only saying Kane, cause I just wanted to make that point about MCs that shift, I'm talking about the way they rhyme. Karras1, he's in a class by himself. I can't even explain it.

Me neither. He's a teacher. Yeah, criminal-minded, just everything. I remember Karis One did a show in Berkeley in the Bay Area, right? And we were opening for him. And then, so it got back to me. He's like, you know, the Nick Harris one, somebody told him that we were excited to do a show with him or whatever. You weren't?

No, that we were. You were. He's like, you know, there's your underground. They're excited to meet you and do the show with you. Did y'all bring him a tennis ball? And he said. Yeah, relax. And he said, he said, they should be.

Cocky's a motherfucker. We got the Nick Harris one should be. Kanye is a motherfucker. Because of KRS-One. He's a fucking motherfucker. And so when they came back and said, I think KRS-One said they should be. And I said, we are. Like, you expect KRS-One to say that. You know what I mean? They said when KRS was battling Kane, I mean, excuse me.

Busy B? No, when KRS was on the Zoom call because they just did a battle with Kane, Kane recommended that they bring up and do some freestyles because Kane felt like, you know, like his catalog didn't stretch that long. So KRS was like, wait a minute. Yeah, you can't freestyle.

Like, why do we want to freestyle? Like, I just want to keep playing records. And Kane was like, you know, so he admitted to it. And they said that KRS was like, well, whatever, do whatever the fuck you want to do. I just want to keep playing records. And Kanye was like, you know, so he admitted to it. And they said that Karis won. He said, well, whatever. Do whatever the fuck you want to do. I'm the greatest in the world.

On the Zoom call. Just for that. To Timberland. To Swizz. Karis won. So you got to love that. So you're making me change my mind a little bit. Yeah.

They're both icons in hip hop. And it was great to see everybody geek out. Like everybody was just geeking out. And I definitively did not pick anybody when I watched the battle. I definitively, that's the first thing I realized. Yeah, you just enjoyed it. Well, I said that, that was like a draw.

You enjoyed it. I didn't like definitively. Did you watch the E-40 too short one? Absolutely. What'd you think? Didn't know a lot of the songs because when they started getting to that

Ye area shit, I didn't know a lot of it, but I loved it. Come on, that's my number one market on the West Coast is Yadame. But you're Ye area.

I'm on Ye area. Now, I was telling things earlier like that, what, what? And then it started the hypey movement. Yeah, that was number one in there.

For real, because when that shit come on, they start jumping on cars and stomping. things earlier like that. What? And then it started the hype movement. Yeah, that was number one. For real, because, you know, when that shit come on, they start jumping on cars and stomping. How many people got killed off of that? That was the hot shit.

This took a left turn. But let me, you know what? Make sure we get into the L.A. It's a killing point? No, no, no. It was a killing point.

L.A. and Oakland. We was in Philly. Because, I'm going to tell you, after, you know, after Big passed away, we were nervous going to the West Coast. We didn't feel comfortable. We didn't really want to go to the club. We didn't want to go to the after parties.

We wanted to perform, and we wanted to leave. And we were also, it was also different about the gangbang culture. We just didn't adapt to that. But you knew there wasn't no gangs in the Bay. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You already finished my sentence.

But when we went to the Bay, my mother used to come up and be like, hey, you want this bitch? You're like, what? Like, the nigga just offered you a girl. Yeah. And then they just, they just was players and like,

and then they was going. And it was like the first time where, like, people wanted to hang with us, but they brung their own bottles. Like, if you hung with us at the time, like we brung the bottles and then these dudes was getting money and like, I'm going to give it to the whole Bay Area.

The Bay Area is first West Coast period town to embrace me. Me personally. Personally. Okay. MC Lyte or Queen Latifah? Take a shot. Latifah. That was easy. I'm going to go...

Call it a bitch. I kind of like Lyte's first album, but wait. Let's go with the label mate. Queen Latifah. Yeah. Okay, cool. Master Ace or Mac 10? Mmm. The Chicken Hawk. Okay, cool. Master Ace or Mac 10?

The Chicken Hawk. Mac 10. That's Mac 10 for those who don't know. The Chicken Hawk. God damn, that's a good one. Because Master Ace, Symphony, you know what I mean? Even him and The Biz.

Was it rhyming with The Biz? I saw him perform that at the New Music Seminar. It's like he's reinvented himself a bunch of times. Yeah, he has. So I would say just on career-wise

and the way that he did it, if we're just talking about musically let's go with Master Ace but Mac 10 also became a show promoter Mac 10 do his thing and Mac 10 does movies you just said both

did I say both? yeah he was letting you go I can only say one that's how y'all get niggas You just said both. Did I say both? Yeah, you did. You said just said both. We was letting you go. I can only say one? That's how y'all get niggas. We was letting you go, but you kept going. I should have just shut up when I had to go.

No, no, I got my thing. You want to join him? You got to let your man go by himself. Come on, man. It's a digital underground thing. D-U, goddamn it. Let's do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We all know this. Lato, how do you think of Master Ace and Mac-10? That's a good one.. We all know this. I'm telling you. Great though. How did he think of Master Ace and Mac-10? That's a good one. That was a good one. I got another good one. Call me out there. Man, take your shots first.

You want to go in here? We're going in. Yeah. Okay, y'all ready? This is a very good one. Snoop Dogg. It's going to be Snoop already. Or Busta Rhymes.

Wow. I just drank my shot. I just drank my shot. You can take it. I just drank my shot. It's going to be Snoop already. Or Busta Rhymes. Wow. I just drank my shot. I just drank my shot. You can drink your shot. I just drank my shot. It's okay. It's called drink champs. Yo, those two niggas are the two illest niggas ever, ever, ever from their respective coasts.

Yes. So that's that. That sounds like you're taking a shot, sir. You don't got to pour it crazy. You can pour half. I was telling this nigga all day I'm only drinking shots. You hear me? No, it's okay. But this is the game. It's pour half. I was telling this nigga all day,

I'm only drinking shot. Give me a minute. No, it's okay, but this is the game. Come on. We're here. Watermelon. Yeah, that's my favorite,

by the way. There's no choice. How do you make that choice? Snoop Dogg or Busta Rhymes. That's like saying... Yeah, it's a shot. It's a shot. It's a shot.

Yeah. It's a shot, yeah. You ain't gotta take a crazy shot. That was the only clear no answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I could lean one way or another for Dre or Quick, I just decided not to answer. But this one, I'm super not sure what you want to say,

but I'm going to wait for you to take a shot, because that's the way the game goes. Man, buster. Okay, Spice One or Mac Dre? Spice One. Spice. Spice One is my homie. The East Bay Gangster.

I haven't seen you in a long time. You're my dude. Oh, you gotta get Spice on. I just was talking to P-Zone. Yeah, yeah, holler at me. Can we get Spice on the show? Hell yeah, it's my dude. Like, that's my dude.

I just spoke to P-Zone. He's like, man, tell him. Yeah, yeah. One of the greatest moments ever was that nigga Nas, when he did that song, whatever the rap, like, man, tell him that you got to talk about me. One of the greatest moments ever was that nigga Nas, when he did that song, whatever the rap, like, autobiography song, and he was like, nigga, when you have a son, when he's 10 years old, make him listen to Spice One.

I was like, Nas, nigga! That's so hard. So we assume you're Virgos. I am going to go because... You a Virgo, you said? Yo, not only am I a Virgo. Oh, Dish Underground is Virgos. I'm a Virgo. You a Virgo, too? Money V's a Virgo.... You a Virgo, you said? Yo, not only am I a Virgo. Oh, Digital Underground is Virgo. I'm a Virgo.

You a Virgo, too? Money V's a Virgo. I'm a Virgo. Shot V's a Virgo. I'm a Virgo. You a Virgo. Yeah, I'm a Virgo. Clears Max a Virgo.

Sophia's a Virgo. Oh, shit, Virgo gang. You got nine Virgos in Digital Underground. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. No wonder. No wonder y'all cool as shit. Put your mic down, though.

Put it down. Put it down. And I was going to say, the man Kanye was over here beautifully talking about the Geminis. It's the thing between the Geminis and the Virgos. Yeah. My wife is a Gemini. Because he did say his favorite rapper was a Virgo.

Yes, he did. He did say that. Salute. He had a lot of favorite rappers, though. Yeah, like that. Virgo. Virgo. So, the answer to that question,

although Spice One is a great friend, I'm going to say just for influence purposes, Mac Dre, of course. Let me tell you. As I said, this is crazy. This is the last question. The day Mac Dre died, I'm in a club. The club has no stage. Okay. You could see'm in a club. The club has no stage. Okay. You could see everyone in there

balling. Like you could see what city were you in? This is the Bay Area somewhere. I'm in the Bay. This is the day he died. I'm spitballing. I'm not giving you the exact times, but let's say it was a couple of hours or maybe even a day before. Maybe he died that night

and I had to show the next day after. And I didn't know. I knew how various motherfuckers gave it up, but I didn't know no on the night of De Haro dying. So I'm on, there's no stage. I'm on the bar. I'm on top of the bar. I got to do my five or six songs. It's like an after party or something. Yeah, yeah. Every dude in the club just came up to me, was just like... And it just was in my face, but it was love! Yeah. But it was like, I had to...

They was like, yo, listen. They said to me like, yo, this is the day, this is Mac Dre day. Yeah. This is how they act. Yeah. Just don't move. Like, so people... Like, just don. Like, just don't be shook.

So people was like, what's up, Nord? Yeah! And they all in my face. I'm like, oh, shit. So then after a while, I just start doing it with them. I'm like, yeah! Oh! They like, yeah, you about that, Nord?

I'm like, yeah, yeah! I party. I drink with these motherfuckers all night. But I want to say back to you, I want to get into the differences between L.A. and the Bay Area. But I had never seen an underground rapper

because obviously, I knew Lurus about Max Ray. But after he passed... He was about to blow right before he passed. That was the thing about his ass. He was just... I went and about to blow right before he passed. Right, right, right. He was just... I went and I did my research after.

You didn't go back. And I was like, wow. But I had never, other than 50, I had never seen an underground rapper have his city on lock

the way he had it on lock. Oh, man. Can you describe that for people who've never been to the Bay Area? If you don't, like, Mac Dre is a religion in the Bay Area If you don't Like Like Mac Dre is a religion

In the Bay Area Wow It is That's a fact And you know Shout out to Ray Love You know they got the Just like we got the

Shaq G Golden Ale You know they got the Mac Dre beer That's doing very well We need some of those Over here Yeah Mac Dre is You know he's

He's Okay so Anybody that's not From the Bay You've heard of like you said the hyphy movement and motherfuckers

doing that so you know there was the hyphy movement and the way that you act hyphy the hyphy movement was everybody

emulating Mac Dre you say the way that someone acts hyphy yeah yeah it's like the whole

just the I can't even I can't even explain it but Mac Dre was just Mac Dre right Someone acts hyphy. Yeah. Yeah, it's like the whole, just the... He is hyphy. I can't even explain it. But Mac Dre was just Mac Dre. Right. I don't... Like, okay, only thing that I could maybe help you explain that maybe seemed like it,

if you remember back in the day, and I can only imagine, but it felt like when Slick Rick came in the building, he was a Slick Rick. Right, right. And it was only a Slick Rick. Right the building, he was just Slick Rick. Right, right. And it was only a Slick Rick. Right, an embodiment of who he was. The way that he moved, and he was just,

he was everything that New York Bronx, whatever that was supposed to be, it was Slick Rick. Right. That's what Mack Drake was for us. And he was really it. Right. Everything that he, you know,

and remember, he went and he did, what, eight years? Mm-hmm. On some shit, and he never said nothing. Right. Everything that he, you know, and remember, he went and he did, what, eight years? Mm-hmm. On some shit and he never said nothing. Wow. And he came out and you think about it, he come out

and he's, you know, his whole crew was bank robbers and killers and whatever. You think he gonna come out and start doing the hard shit?

Right. He came out partying and clowning and pimping bitches and popping pills and everything else and he just,

he was having fun. And he was like, I'm having fun, but I'll kill you. Yo, that. Yo, for everybody listening, the Genie in the Lamp album, that's the album. Fuck with the Genie. If you want to get right to it, Mac Dre. It's not my job. Genie in the Lamp.

That's the album. It's not my job. Woo! It seems like y'all could just go platinum just staying in the Bay. In the Bay. Oh, absolutely. Is that... It is, but, you know,

and I know this is the sob story of every area. You know what I mean? It's kind of like, you know, you have your culture, whether it's Miami, the Bay, or whatever, but then radio doesn't support it. They just play with the masses, whatever. In the Bay Area, we kind of, for a long time, we superseded that because we had a sound, we had a way, and so we didn't really get it from the radio. It seemed like the bay led the underground

Well, we started the independent movement, right? So we get back to the end of it. Well, I mean, I mean Let me correct that because hip-hop started as an independent right right But and once majors got involved in Bay in current times, you know, I mean like cats they came up and we made our oh we did it ourselves it was a job made up I'm selling out the truck pretty much yeah pretty much right and who is that master he makes his chops out of the best people best be bitter for somebody nobody made his chops in buddy here we came out the Bay Area you know what I'm saying that what I'm saying is he was following somebody else who was doing that same... But wasn't his family that owned the record store in the Bay?

He did. Richmond, Richmond, Richmond. He was in Richmond. But I'm saying Master P was living in the Bay. He saw the room. Right, that's where he got the idea to be independent like that. He got the game. So who was out there being independent prior to that?

Got the game from the Bay. B-40, I'll be legit. Really, Too Short was the first. And let me add this. I thought Too Short was on the job. B-40. I'll be legit. Really, really, Too Short was the first. And let me add this. I thought Too Short was on the job. That was a big thing. Before that,

he was on, you know, he had, what was it? Mike Nudge. Damn it. I forget the name of it. He had his own,

they had their own label. So by the time Jive came, it was already, it was already rocking. Young Black Brother, Kyrie and them They had Mack Maul And he did the first Backdrey

Stuff MC Hammer No MC Hammer I don't think it's enough credit MC Hammer man Busted Records was an independent label Did Game go through Somebody from the

West Coast JT the Bigger Figure That's from the Bay Area too From the Bay Area JT the Bigger Figure I mean shit Shout out to Hieroglyphics too

Paris Okay You know Hieroglyphics You know Hieroglyphics got signed but they had a movement And they still got

a movement based on that Yeah That momentum is still What's the new dudes that's popping in the Bay right now Lil Mikey What up

Lil Mikey TMB Yeah Lil Mikey TMB Lil Mikey TMB You gotta check out Lil Mikey TMB. Yeah. Lil Mikey TMB. Lil Mikey TMB. So I got to check him out? You got to check out Lil Mikey TMB. My nigga.

Okay. No one is the same. Is he Ghost Ride the Rip? Nah, nah. He from D-Beast Oakland. Okay. You know what I mean? So everyone from Oakland don't Ghost Ride the Rip?

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Okay. I thought you said go back to what I had read. Here's the thing. You said Ghost Ride the Rip, but that was like 2014, right? Okay, okay. That's old. Come on up. All right. I thought you said go back to what I read. Here's the thing. You said Ghost Rider, rip, rip,

but that was like 2014, right? Okay, that's old. Come on up. Follow me. I'm OJ. I'm pulling you through. I got you. No problem.

We've got a driver now. You know what I'm saying? Let me tell you about the driver. Lil Mikey, you know what I mean? He certified. I know Nori liked this, from the streets. I'm not gonna tell you what he did. Yeah, yeah, no problem.

But, you know, just for instance, you know, he... And he's independent or he's signed? Independent. Okay, that's cool. But, you know, I mean, like, in his life, you know, he's been, I don't know, shot like five times. Yeah, Mikey's a real one. He's alive, you know, came out of comas and all that shit. But, you know, he's done songs with...

Still smiling, I see you, Mikey. ...Cass, but Lil' Mikey TMB. Yeah. He's rocking and rocking. What do you like more, independent or major? Right now, independent. Really? And, you know, and let me segue.

Okay. You know, because that's why I'm into you. Are you familiar with the NFT space, right? A little. Obviously, I heard about it, but I'm not familiar. And we're getting into it, though. You have to. And that's you reclaiming your independence,

because you don't need anybody but your core fan base. You don't need the infrastructure of the industry. If we can take a picture right now, this is the NFT. Yeah don't need the infrastructure of the industry. Yeah, you know, because I'm, you know. If we can take a picture right now, this is NFT. Yeah, and I'm part of a company. We started an NFT agency to help pull people through.

Like you, like, I don't know much about it. You know, show you how to get a wallet, how to set up, get a smart contract and all of that. It's called NFT. It just seemed like a scam,

like how my niggas was selling, like, waters. But it's not. Everybody is down with NFT. Well, no, selling, like, waters. But it's not. Everybody is down with NFT. No, no, no, no. Here's the thing. I'm the cheeseburger baby right now.

The chef is like, you're going to do But not everybody can sell NFT. That's what people don't understand. Well, the thing, I always said that

it would level out. You know, it was bullshit. You know, motherfuckers selling a picture of a Ciroc bottle, hella pixelated. Right. But, you know, an NFT, you know, it can be a digitized picture or something physical like a collectible.

It can be a record. So the new Money Being Young record will be an NFT. But as an NFT, we're going to mint it. And it has four different mixes but we're going to enable the people that are part of our community that buy the NFT to be able, it's going to be

from 50 to 100 and some different versions that you could mash the record up boss up and top winners can actually own the stems of the record and you get original top winners can actually own the stems of the record. And you get original art, but then you own the NFT. It allows you to purchase, obviously you get the album, right?

But to purchase anything digital on the ground that we put out after that. So, you know, the whole NFT space, crypto, metaverse, you know, it's gamified. But you said two important things that I think people don't understand. One, all the work that you put into to make the NFT special. Most people don't understand that. Right, right. Yeah, yeah.

You put out bullshit. It's just like, do you want to... But you're adding layers to it. Do you want to flash in the pan and try to hit them? And community. You can make a million dollars right now, a one-time hit,

and then people buy it and then figure out your bullshit. Or you can make $300,000 for the next 15 years. And you say community, which is the other thing, is that people don't understand that NFT thing right now is still a community-based thing. It is. So you have to support them. There's a community of people that buy it. You have to support them in order to be supported. Right.

Right? So for me, we have Create NFT. That's our agency, right? Right. So for people like you guys, help you on board. Not just artists. Create NFT?

Create, yeah. CR, the number eight NFT. All right. And... Yo, Humpty, you all right, man? I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, I'm good.

So look... I'm just feeling cool right now. I'm feeling cool. It's not just about the artists that we're on board, but it's really about bringing black and brown people into the space. You know, a lot of times with anything, it's not magic or voodoo. It's just about learning how to do it. You're saying, I don't know much about it.

Bro, I can sit down and help you set up a wallet, put you with a guy so that you understand everything about what you do. So it's not just you putting your name on something, it's you having ownership and seeing it through. Because the last thing you want to do

is leave it up to a motherfucker to count your money for you and bring it back to you. But with an NFT, it's all at your fingertips to own and to control yourself. And the smart wallet is non-fungible. The smart contracts.

Yeah, so we're doing the next Money Being Young H.U.P. single. It's called F It Up. Fuck It Up. We're doing it. The single is going to be an NFT. But we have an album.

But if you get that single, if you buy the NFT, you get the album. Right? Then right after that, we're working on some new Digital Underground music as well for 2022. You got Shock G verses laying around? We do. get the album right then right after that we're working on some new um digital underground music

as well for 2022 i got shock g versus laying around we do that's what i'm saying we're doing that shit together and i'm sure you got music and we got music so and and for all people um um right now shock g he got a record out right now Yeah It's with the solo piano group So he On the piano He remade To Zion

By Lauryn Hill And it's Solo piano group It's Shaq G Yeah that's who we talking about The nigga has a solo piano Join out right now You know

And the official jazz niggas Respect his piano work Like mood music And You know about that type of music? Yeah, not Joe Biden mood music. No, mood, M-O-O-D. He had a mixtape called Mood Music. Oh, no, no, no.

It's me that's lost it. I don't even know. No, no, no. Low five, low five. You know what I mean? Like, it's relaxation music. So H.E. Gregory, who's our producer, he has his solo piano group. And, you know, it's black owned. So H.E. Gregory, who's our producer, he has his solo piano group.

He's black-owned, black artist. The only ones that's doing it. But Shock G, right now, go check it out. To Zion. It's him rocking. That's your girl? No, that's our people's girl. Okay, all right, my bad.

I'm like, what? She flew out here. Hold on, hold on, real quick. Yo, Kev, we got something real quick. That's right. We got She flew out of here. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Real quick, real quick, real quick. Yo, Kev, yo, we got something real quick. That's right. We got something.

Kev, you got it? Our show is about giving people their flowers when they alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to give. We got to give. Yo, what we got? The Dickey Underground right here. Your moment.

Come on. That's some R&B. Yes. Shark G right there on the floor. No, no, no. Take it out. Don't take it out. R&B, Shark G. No, no, no, take it out. Take it out.

R.I.P. Shock G. That's right. Oh, my God. That's a hot item. Take that back to the home right there. Thank you, God. To the headquarters. And like I said, you know, for real, I'm going to tell y'all. Y'all got to check out that.

Because if you really want to know Like the soul of Shock G Check out this new record Solo Piano Group Because that's what he was He was a He wouldn't He couldn't walk by a piano Without sitting down

Right And playing it The piano man He was the piano man That was his That was his His soul Came through

To the piano So that's what it is And I don't think that Not just Me and Young Hump Wouldn't be sitting here But there's a lot of

There's a lot of artists That wouldn't be Around if Shock G Didn't unlock It's a huge tree That grew from Digital Underground I'm not even talking about

just Digital Underground people. I'm talking about in the industry. Because he wasn't afraid to, you know, he brought it to, he brought something to the industry

that wasn't there before. That's all I'm saying. Hey, yo, there's an interlude called the Humpty Dance Awards. You type in Digital Underground

and the Humpty Dance Awards and there's the interlude That's talking about all the different songs that sampled the drums alone Like like old-school shit remember you've got to live and learn On the ground that sample dumpy dance fuck you up. Can you name three songs? That's helpful Can't trust it by public enemy. Mama Said Knock You Out by LL Cool Jack. Wait, that was sampling... It's all Wikipedia. He gets publishing for that.

Put the mic down. John G was getting dope. And then what's the third one? I mean, goddammit, what's the third one? Nah, those are samples. There has to be way more than that. Niggas, like 40 songs. Because those are like classic. You said you never heard the Juice soundtrack. One of mine is Don't Be Afraid.

Yeah, Aaron Hall. Aaron Hall. That was that shit. Don't be afraid. Baby. Baby. Woo! Yeah.

You drank Mama Juana or you drank Ciroc? He drank something. Ciroc got it, baby. Got it! All right. I ain't going to say nothing wrong. I'm just going to fuck with the mic. or you drank Ciroc? He drank something. Ciroc got it, baby. Got it. I ain't gonna say nothing wrong. I'm just gonna fuck with the mic. Yo, this is a good beer,

by the way. It is great. What else? Man, there's some records that, there's some other ones, but. That's like one of the most famous hip hop songs, though, right?

That part. Like, that shit is. Nah, it is one of the. It relevates to people 20 years older. Like top 20 of all known hip hophop songs. They're still using it

in Geico commercials. Top songs, probably. All that shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's still be rocking. It's one of them ones. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time,

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Who got pregnant? That was like the first BET uncut. Here it is. It was. I'm going to be honest with y'all. I think I was Playboy at night right there. I'm going to throw it out there. I'm a little embarrassed.

He said Playboy at night. When you hear this come out, I'll get around video. 93. A little embarrassed. 93-ish. I used to jerk off to that video. Nice. Me too, bro.

Throwing it out there. Sorry, I used to jerk off. Both y'all should be really jerk off now. He got it. Well done. A little weird. I was in jail. I was in jail.

And both y'all were like, hell yeah. High five. A little weird. All right, high five. I'm going to throw it out there. Playboy at night. Playboy at night. Playboy at night. I was in jail. And both of y'all were like, hell yeah. High five. All right, high five. I hope I wasn't in that seat.

You're good with this hat. You're good with this hat. High five. Let's have another jerk and all. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

What is the legendary in that song? Is it your version? What, jerk and all? Thank you, sir. Oh, by the way. It's a two-part question. Let's just say it. Okay, okay, okay. How many females were you messing with in that video? Because, I mean, we all had groups. You trying to clean it up? How many young ladies?

I'm going to answer both of them. Did you get comfortable with that? Well, I'll tell you the whole story. So, one, it was Tupac's video right Right So even Okay so Fun fact The chick that's

Massaging him When he in the hot tub That's the chick from The uh Rex and the Facts video Yeah Oh shit The body

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Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom Boom boom So you know When you're shooting a video Shoot shoot shoot Shoot shoot Then it's break You know 30 minute break 20 minute break Where'd y'all film that? In Malibu

So I'm gonna tell you So Every time Yeah So every time there was a break Snicker Pac was pulling somebody He was So he knocked off like

Six races that day Oh lord In the thing He was He was hot He was hot He was hot. He was hot. Shout out.

But I would say better, I would say almost better than that is that house was owned by this Ethiopian woman. She's in the video, in the tennis court scene. She white? She's Ethiopian.

But white skinned? She's brown. Brown, brown, brown, brown, brown. Is this some Ethiopian. But white skinned? She's brown. Ethiopian. Brown, brown, brown, brown, brown. There's some Ethiopian now. And, and, and. Not really. And.

They come like Latinos. They'll be the colonizers then. Yeah, they come like Latinos. Yeah, Shaq, Shaq jumped on that. So he had the house owner. Not the Ethiopian. The house owner. House owner.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, but who did you smack? Who was your finger poppin'? So here's, so here's the thing. He wasn't. Who did you smack? So here's the thing. High wasn't. Who did you smack? So here's the thing.

High five again. You jerked off again. So we were, we were. We were. It was the best day of my life and the worst day of my life. I need to hear the story. I need to hear the story.

The worst day of your life. Nah, because. Best day. Yeah. Best day because. Because it was one of the funnest days up to that, in my life, to that point. We just had fun that day.

Victoria's Secret perfume. It looked like a fun ass video. It was super fun. Spice One was there. Spice One was the biggest. We had fun. Uh-huh. Right?

And it felt like a digital underground video, like the extension of Do What You Like. It was. It was a party. We forgot we were shooting a video.

We were just doing it. So I remember at the end of it, now mind you, that was the second single off Strictly for My Niggas. The first one was Holla If You Hear Me, Big Stretch produced that. And that was tanking. It was a black and white video, right? That single tanked.

But in the mixtape scene, it was crazy. Yeah, but Pac was mad because the album wasn't selling. Now, I had told Pac before the record came out, I was like, I'm not saying it because I'm on it. I said, this should be your single. No, no, I'm a nigga big stretch. You know, because Pac was loyal like that. Stretch was his guy, so that was going to be the single. When he shot the video, Pac was, he was blaming Interscope that the record was fucked up. That's when he went off on them, right? But it was fucked up because it was just fucked up. The single wasn't moving.

So I remember asking Pac, I was like, because we had always, with Digital Underground, we edited our own videos for the most part because we knew what we wanted. So I was like, Pac, make sure you get this thing, get this thing, get this scene, or whatever. Pac was like, man, fuck Interscope. At the end of it, I get around. He's like, Pop, make sure you get this thing, get this thing, and get this scene, or whatever. And Pop was like, man, fuck Interscope. At the end of it, I get around.

He's like, fuck this record. You know, he was mad. He didn't give a fuck. At the end of filming it? At the end of filming it. He was like, fuck this record? He was like, fuck this record. Filming a video.

At the end of the day of shooting I Get Around, he was not feeling Interscope. Oh. He was just saying, fuck them. He didn't, like, he didn't care what happened with the video.

Right, right. He was just like, whatever. He wanted to get past everything. He just wanted to get past it. Right. And so, when I'm leaving,

I'm like, well, if this video shows half the fun that we had today, Exactly. we're going to be all right. Oh, exactly.

And that was that. Right. But, back to your question, there's a lot of breezes there, and I'm like, all right, Oh, exactly. And that was that. Right. But back to your question, there's a lot of breezes there. And I'm like, all right, cool. What are we doing tonight? We supposed to go do it, right?

I think I had like two or three. Like, okay, yeah, we're going to meet me at the whatever the club was the thing because we were staying in Hollywood. I'm like, all right, I'll meet you there. Go back to the hotel. About to get dressed. I was like, ah. Was this the meet you there. Go back to the hotel. About to get dressed. I was like, ah. Was this the Nico Hotel? What hotel was that? One of them.

Okay, okay. Montreon. Montreon. It was in that area. Okay, cool. Where the cool people sleep. Okay, cool. It was us.

Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. All I know is I laid down. Like, okay, let me lay down for a second. Woke up. It was the morning. I was like, oh. You about to sleep down for a second. Woke up. It was the morning. I was like, I fucked it up. I did.

Lost it off. It wasn't bad. That video too. That video was like, I feel like Nelly's tip trail bit that video. Probably. I think a lot of people bit that video.

You know what was beautiful about it was that Pac left not left Digital Underground but he started his own career and he came back and got you. Absolutely. Because you know that the I Get Around beat, Shock made that for Digital Underground. That's what I'm saying. It felt like a Digital Underground record.

We were riding around with that beat for like six months. But we knew it was dope, but we were scared. Nobody wanted to fuck it up. Right. So we was like, ah. So then Shock gave the beat to Saphir. Big up Saphir.

And Saphir had it for the summer. Such an ill MC, man. One of the greatest. Salute. Yeah. I think Pac approached Shock and was like, yo, I got to turn in my album by October, da da da.

And then Shaq was like, man, this is one beat that we all got, but nobody did that and take that one. That's the latest one that everybody liked.

And he took that beat and the next thing you know, he turned around and asked us to be on it. And, Tupac, Shaq's verse on there, Tupac wrote that verse. Oh, sure. You hear on there, Tupac wrote that verse.

Oh, sure. You hear that, everybody? Shaq wrote that verse. No, Tupac wrote that verse. I mean, excuse me, Tupac wrote that verse. Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. You really are Shaq G right now. Hey, nigga. But imagine that though, go.

Imagine that though. That's what I'm saying. But imagine that though. Sit up straight. You serious? I know I got wrong words But I'm on point now Why y'all do my guy like that?

Imagine Imagine Tupac Sitting there Everybody in TV land Imagine Tupac saying I'm Shock G The one who put the satin In the panties

Nigga Tell him Tell him Tell him You just told him You just told him Is this how you and Shock G hung out? Eddie's. Woo-hoo-hoo! Nigga, tell him what? Tell him what? You just told him. You just told him. Is this how you were shocked you hung out? Is this how you were?

He's like a reincarnation. Like, you don't know how much you getting shot right now. We Virgos, man. Oh, shit, Virgos? Oh, my God. He was taking a piss. He missed the whole thing. Half of Digital Underground is, no, two-thirds of Digital Underground is Virgos.

You're a Virgo, too? I'm a Virgo. Safir's a Virgo. Gemini. Yo, see, they're right there. You and Pac. Yeah, I'm amazed at Gemini. He's a little crazy.

A little crazy, you know. I'm big. He's Pac, you know what I'm saying? AFN, the realest nigga I know. I love it. Let me break down something for you because us coming from the East Coast, right, we always looked at

California as being just one conglomerate. Right. It wasn't until we actually got out there that we realized that LA is one thing in itself,

in its entirety, and then the Bay Area is a whole different planet. I was going to say a whole different world. But for people that have never

traveled to California, can you describe the two different, and the differences? Well this is what I like to explain to people. If you've never been to California, like people from the East Coast, you know you got North Carolina, New York, Baltimore, all that shit, you can just drive through that shit in like eight hours. If you start in,. If you leave Tijuana

or if you're in San Diego, from San Diego to drive... Meaning closest to the border for people that don't know what you're saying. Closest to the border is to Mexico, like the very bottom of California. If you drive to the very top of California, it would take you 22 hours

to drive. Is California the California border Canada? No. No, it's Washington after that. It's huge. Oregon. Oregon. Oregon, yeah.

Oregon, right up there on Mount Shasta. 22-hour drive. Say that again. Say that again. 22 hours from the bottom of California to the top to drive. So if you put California on the East Coast, that's Maine, New York, Philly, Baltimore. No, but Florida, we close.

We 18 hours to get the fuck out of here. But 22 hours. I don't know, but we 18. And I'm being... But we in Peninsula. I'm being conservative because I think you want to Google it. Somebody should Google it.

I'm being conservative. But you understand what I mean? So it's a long state. So LA and the Bay is now, with how we drive, seven hours. Right? LA to the Bay. LA to the Bay, six, seven hours, depending on how you drive. If you leave it in the Valley, it could be six.

I've done it in five. But I always tell people, The Bay has more in common With Chicago Than it does with LA Wow It's just It's not the same

But what do What do they have in common With Chicago? Just It's just a different vibe Like Like I don't know

I can't explain it Like we don't dress like that We don't have their Same culture It's just different Very different So when a person from LA comesA. comes and they bangin', they got all blue on

and they got... What is the reaction from a person that's from... Is they accepting that? In the Bay? Yeah. Well, who are you bangin' on? Yeah, that's what I'm askin'.

There's no gang to bang on. The Latinos are the Norteños. Yeah, we do have the Norteños and the Serenos. So there's these gangs out there. And see off rip, everybody in May call themselves the Blood. They be like, what up, Blood?

What up, Blood? And they on their base shit like Blood. So my Bay niggas come to L.A. and they be like, Blood, Blood, Blood. And other niggas be like, what you say? You know what I mean? Yeah, I had a problem with that when I first started going to L.A.

Tell them all. You was talking above the law on there. It was in my vocabulary because we used to say blood, like young blood. And you would say that to a crip? I would just say it.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It didn't mean anything. It was like saying brother. It's just like, we'll say, what's up blood? It's that old school

black shit. What's up blood? We hit that blood cause in the same sentence. That's in the Donald Goins book. They said that. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything.

Old school black shit. So it took me, yeah. First I was going to L.A. I can see your face. Yeah, I was in fucking... Hey, my nigga. You know where you at, my nigga? You know where you at?

I was in... So this is like 86-ish. I came down to L.A. This is real gang, baby. Yeah, this is real. Yeah. Colors. Yeah, this is before

Digital Underground. Right, right, right. I'm Colorless. Yeah, this is before Digital Underground. Right, right, right. I'm out there. My cousin was getting married out there and I went to Sloss and Swap Me. Oh, you went to Sloss and Swap Me.

And my guy, he was from Oakland but he had moved to LA. That's the crack era. And he took me out there and you know, you used to get the sweatsuits made

but it was, and you could buy the gold, get your name plate, all that shit and it was always like the Asian, Vietnamese gold, get your name plate, all that shit. And it was always like the Asian, Vietnamese motherfuckers that were selling this shit. So I go in, I tell them to put money B on my shit. And you walk around the mall, you buy it, then you go back. So when I'm bartering with the guy, like getting the price that I want, sorry.

And so when I go pick it up, he's like, you tell your friends. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, you make sure you tell your friends. I got you a deal. I said, all right, blood. I told you I was going to do it. I said it loud though. And I got a tall can. I'm in there just not even tripping.

My friend was like, hey, man, we should leave. At the Slauson? He said at the Slauson? At the Slauson. That's like, nigga, that's the 60s. That's the bad part. Yeah. And my friend was like, hey, man, we should leave.

Now. I was like, why? What? Tell me the story. Tell me the story. Everybody was frozen in the motherfucker. Because they hear that. They never heard anybody use that terminology.

Oh, man. I was like, all right, fuck it. Let's go. But nothing happened. Nothing happened. By the grace of God. But then it happened to me like one or two other times. So you fast forward to 1990, 91.

Remember I told you we came from out of the NWA camp. So I just happened to be sliding through LA. Atron had a house down there. And he's like, oh, yeah, Eazy wants you to come to this video You got a new group Above the Law

And I had met them before He's like Come by the video shoot Easy Yeah And Above the Law Above the Law Yeah they was shooting

Murder Rap Now I got a Murder Rap They was shooting that video That day And they was like They want you to come by And you know I had to self evaluate

Cause I was like Wait a minute I think I say blood self-evaluate because I was like, wait a minute. I think I say blood too much because I knew EZ was from some crip shit, but I don't know what everybody else is. And I know that it was just in my vocabulary at the time. That's just how I talked. So I was like, I'm not going to be on set in some, like, you know, if you're there, one of your other guys that want to get points with you, he shouldn't have said it.

Yeah, like, you know, what's up, lad? Yeah, so I was like, I'll wait this one out. Because I didn't want to be around there with my vocabulary. But I love how you slipped. I love how you slipped. You slipped like you know an Eazy-E. How was it? I've never met Eazy-E either. So I've never met my boy. like you know an Eazy-E. How was it? I've never met

Eazy-E either. So I've never met my boy Eazy-E. Rest in peace to Eazy-E. So how was it? Eazy-E was a character. Right. He was short too, right?

Just slightly taller than me. Short in stature but homie was... Yeah, but he was a beast. Funny dude. Right. And he was a giving dude too. He was hardcore as well. Seemed like a good person. I mean... He was a beast. Funny dude. And he was a giving dude, too.

He was hardcore as well. Seemed like a good person. He was. I don't know. He really did want to help a lot of people. And he did help a lot of people. He was a good dude. But he was funny.

Always had jokes. I would always tell people, me and Pac in the room, all we did was talk about each other's mother and clown. That was cool at the time. Talk shit. Mother jokes ain't cool no more. Back in the 90s. A little bit. Just a little bit.

But we used to do that shit. Nine niggas is sensitive. Did Pac ever meet Easy? Yeah. Yeah? Look, he's like, tell that story. Tell that story. Yeah, please tell that story.

Yeah, please. All story. Yeah, please. All right, so, remember I said we came from there? So we knew NWA. Uh-huh. So Pop knew NWA, but we did the song with Above the Law called Call It What You Want. You know that song. And we were doing a show at, I don't know if you remember, the R&B. There was, you know, you remember you had the Gavin Magazine,

the college radio magazines. There was an R&B something. Anyway, they all had the conventions. So there's a convention in L.A. And we're performing there. And we're in the elevator. So this is right around the time that Eazy and Dre are breaking up. It's the

death row shit happening. Right? It's a little tense because you don't know who you're going to run into. Me, I'm from Oakland. I don't give a fuck about none of that shit. I'm just like, whatever. I'm out here to do a show. But we're in the

elevator coming down and the conversation comes up It's me, Eazy-E, Tupac Hutch Go Mac This is above the law Chaos And he's like yeah you know motherfuckers

Eazy's like yeah these niggas want to Pull up And so he pulls out his gun Right Eazy-E he pulls out his gun, right? This is easy? Easy E. He's like, yeah, niggas, you know what I mean?

He pulled out his gun. When you talk about niggas want to pull up, you talking about Death Row? You talking about Death Row or them niggas, like whoever they was. Me, I don't even know who he's talking about.

I'm just like, what? Right? So he's like, yeah, I got my shit. This nigga Tupac, yeah, I got my shit too. I was like, nigga, you don't even know what he talking about. So in retrospect, Tupac Yeah I got my shit too I was like Nigga you don't even know What you talking about

So in retrospect Tupac might have Dumped on death row That's the funny part about it Wow So listen So listen So this is the thing

Wow The elevator door The elevator door opens We walk out Snicker Warren G Is walking past And he see Easy

And he see Now Before Warren G Warren G Yeah yeah yeah Before If... That's before Warren G's Warren G. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If people don't know, Warren G before Dre,

because they're half-brothers. But before Dre even accepted... Let me change that. Before they got back together or they got together and did the music, Warren G was real tight with Above the Law. Like they were doing music together.

Like he was on the ruthless side, you're saying. Kind of. Yeah, he was with them. Right. You know, they was rocking. They was working. They was working. They were working together.

Right. So when all that shit happened, now Above the Law and Warren G see each other, whatever that thing is that they do, and it was the first time that I ever heard somebody go, he said, this is Long Beach. And I had never heard nobody say this and then something else after that.

Right? So I was like, what do you mean? Like claiming sex. Yeah! I had never heard that. I was like, what is he talking about? Right? But they was all ice grilling. They was mad. And it was just some shit.

But the ironic thing about it is, Pac ends up on their phone. That is crazy. But he's ready to shoot. Wow. Over some shit he didn't even know about. Right, he was just fucking with easy. Yeah, I got mine too.

Well, show you kind of Pac's mentality. He's like, I'm with you. Let's go Well here's the thing Tupac was raised To be a warrior So he just had A warrior mentality

He always needed A battle to fight So he was ready To battle So he could meet you If y'all walked out together He was going to fight With you

He might not even Know you well But he's just like You know If he walk out Side by side with you then you? Like the incident with the cops when he saw home. He was getting pulled over whatever yeah But you know I mean so this nigga Easy pulling out guns. They could pop pulling out shit ready to do whatever. I don't even know what, but it's Defro.

It's Defro, ironic. That's crazy. So let me ask you, where was you at when you got the news that Pop was fatally killed? When he died. When he died, yeah. I was in Oakland, and it was back, remember the Skytale two-way pages? Yeah, yes. I had one of those, and I just kept getting messages.

Alerts. Alerts, yeah, you know what I mean? A bunch of them. And I was like, what? And back then, you had to go to the pay phone to call that shit back. And I was like, fuck. And it wasn't until my mom hit me and something clicked. Because we didn't have Twitter back then, so you couldn't confirm it.

It was just pretty much rumors when they was hitting you. Yeah, well, when it was all happening, I didn't hear anything. I just kept getting pages. And then my mom hit me. And then I had to get emotional so I had to when I called my mother and she was the one

that told me and she had got the information she knew okay she knew he got shot or she knew he passed away well he had already got shot

he was in the hospital okay she knew that he passed right and you had to spoke to him how long at that time? Since the last time

I seen him in the club. And that's when he was with Digital or he was making his transition? No, that's before he went to jail, right? No, it was after. It was after All Eyes on Me. Okay. So if he passed in September,

I had seen him that July In the club He was in the club At the House of Blues in LA At July Did you ever look From a distance and think Worry for him

All the time We all were I'll tell you even Hutch from Brother Law, he would call me from LA, he was like, bro, your boy out here wilding out. And I was like,

ah, I can't. Because for lack of a better term, like you were saying, the Bay Area, don't gangbang. Nah. So for him to go from one extreme, you know what I'm saying,

to go to a whole totally different extreme, that had to be extreme, I imagine, because it wasn't like he was starting out getting jumped in or anything like that. He started... He went to the top.

Yeah, he went from, you know, Bay Area kid, teenager, to grown man. And I don't know if he ever claimed blood. I know it seemed like he wore red neck of red um bandanas a little more than he than he wore but but that had to be like a shocker because like i said like that's the one thing that stood out to me in the bay was there was no gangbanging in the bay so for him to go from that it's it's like i'm sorry i might be a little bit all over the place but the other day i was walking around right right? And I had my headphones on.

And Tupac songs came back to back. And I said this before on the show. One of the songs was Ain't Nothin' Like the Old School when he's breaking down New York City. They got Richie Rich. When he's breaking down New York City in a way that you have to really be from New York City to appreciate this record.

Then, guess what record comes on after that? California! Yeah, love! Dan, dan, dan, dan, dan. And I believe this nigga too! Talk about it. But he's talking like, this is his other song, we talk about

the Mexicans and Southern Oranges on the highway, and it's just like, I've never seen that anywhere else but California. To live and die in his own park. To live and die in LA. But he experienced it all. Like, I remember, you know, one time I went to New York

and Pac took me to, what is it, 175th and Washington? Washington Heights? Yeah, Washington Heights up there. His cousin,

you know, Shaka Zulu, right? Shaka Zulu was standing there. That's his cousin. Up there. His cousin. You know Shaka Zulu, right? Shaka Zulu was standing there. That's his cousin. You know that, right? What's Shaka Zulu? Ludicrous manager. Okay, yeah, really? That's Pox.

That's Pox's cousin? Holy moly, I didn't know that. So I met Shaka when he was living... Oh, I thought Shaka was half French. Nah. All right, cool. That's what he gonna say. He might be.

Right, right, right. In another life. Gosh. Anyway, I'm saying, but, you know, Shaka be In another life Anyway I'm saying but you know Shock was I mean I'm sorry Tupac was Very proud of his New York roots So he never shied away From it or dispelled it Or tried to ignore it

He did not No he didn't he just said It was like where he was at so so let me let me let me let me further explain okay it's because he left i love this conversation he left he left the bay and he went to la like you said all this live and die in la the niggas in the bay was mad like oh that's how this never heard this see never heard this he was like this nigga going down la and acting like yeah what are you talking about cause it's two different cultures right

and I'm just like bro you can't nobody can claim Tupac like that because he was he grew up not having anything and he was shuttled around his entire life

he had to go. He started in the Bronx. So living with cousins and aunties throughout New York. Then to Baltimore. Got shipped out to Marin City. Then he came to Oakland. He didn't owe any of those places anything. And so he only, he spoke about where he was because he was that emotional about wherever he was at and whatever he was dealing with.

I like that. So, you know, I mean, I ain't going to lie. When I first, to live, it hit me a little bit. But then I thought about it. I was like, whatever. And to us, hold on for a second. To us, when they say L.A., we're so stupid from the East Coast. We thinking they talking about the Bay Area Nah

We like Cause you know To us it's all the same These niggas in the Bay Still mad Yeah I can imagine Right

So think about that So if he would've said To live and die in California It would've been Something different And another thing Cause that's included In the Bay correct

Well he made California love But I mean you know Whatever And another thing to add A lot of people don't know Is when he was filming All those movies In LA He another thing to add, a lot of people don't know is, when he was filming all those movies in L.A., he was

living in L.A. So a lot of niggas perceived it like he joined Death Row, now we live in L.A. But he was living in L.A. in the years earlier, filming those movies. Yeah, he moved to L.A. He moved to L.A. He was in the first month. He moved to L.A. like 93, like right, like when

when we did I Get Around, he was already living in LA because when we recorded that song, he sent the two-inch reels up. And that's why he wrote verses for me and Shot in case we didn't have time. He just wanted us on the song. That's great. That's how pop was. He just wanted to get it done.

So he wanted to make it as easy as possible. Shot just happened to use the verse. I didn't use the verse that he wrote for me. But he was already living in L.A., so he was living down there for a while, but it was because... Was he trying to do his Hollywood career? He was doing movies.

He was getting money, you know? His offers were... Poetic justice. His offers... I just watched one game related. His offers drew him, you know, his offers were Poetic justice. I just watched one gang related. His offers drew him, you know, his business drew him to be there. Let me ask you

a serious question. Do you think if he did that, do you think if he didn't go to death row, would he still be alive? It's hard to say. I mean, if you would ask me, well, this is what I'd say about that.

I'd say that that environment didn't help him. Okay. Right? I'll also add this. I remember when Atron was first talking about signing Tupac, right? So mind you, this is maybe 89-ish, 90, whatever it was. Or maybe he was already signed, but we were on a plane and he was like, so what you think about Pop? You think he got something? And jokingly, mind you, this is 89, 90, I said jokingly, I said, yeah, if he stay alive

long enough. Wow. I'll never forget saying that. I said that because he was a wild nigga. So maybe if it didn't happen that way, I can't say that it wouldn't happen another way. I can't...

We don't know. Like, because I don't know if that didn't happen, he gets into a domestic dispute. And somebody shoots him. Not even his fault. Or he gets into it with dispute. And somebody shoots him. Not even his fault. Or he gets into it with a cop.

It could have been a different kind of on. He would have been on. He was just on. He was pushing. He always spoke about his life. He would. He would talk about things and then...

He would make records about going to, because he used to talk about going, he would make records about going to jail before he went to jail and then he made records about getting shot and he used to make records

about getting killed and I'm like, bro, stop making them records. You feel me? You, you, you,

I've always felt that with our artistry, you speak things into it. You kind of write, yeah, you write, yeah, you write it into your existence. You're attracting it. So it's like, it's kind of like yeah you're right yeah like there's so many definitely it's like you're attracting it so it's like it's kind of like you know i say like cypress hill

they smoke weed they always talk about smoking weed so now everywhere they go people give them weed yeah and tell them about how and v-roll has a lucrative weed business which i'm into hey tell them about how you had to get him to weed He wasn't cool If he didn't have his weed Tell him that Oh my god So I mean y'all know Pac smoked Right

I never met Pac I didn't know he smoked like that My nigga So You know what you said I didn't know he smoked like that So with Pac Yeah

He didn't And he smoked cigarettes too Pac didn't At least in my My opinion Right Pac Didn't At least in my opinion Pac Didn't smoke to get high He smoked to be normal

Because he was just really high strung So much so Like when we be on the road Like if he didn't have weed He just get on your fucking nerves So now we go to cities I'm looking for weed I don't even smoke weed

I just want to get to him. I don't even smoke weed. I just want to get to him so he don't get on my fucking nerves. So we're not fighting, right? So, you know, I remember one time we was in, I mean, it's a few stories, but I'll tell you. We was in St. Louis. No, no, no, Louisville. Okay, Kentucky?

Yeah, it's the summertime. And I always say, and I talk about it in my book, too, my book. What's the summertime And I always say And I talk about it in my book too What's the name of the book? Right now it's The Hype Man But it'll be out next year So I got these chicks And I was like

Y'all know where to get some weed? And they was like yeah we can go So we go in this hood It's summertime and this motherfucker's Now this is the early 90's Crack is crazy So it's like on his hood. It's summertime and this motherfucker's on. Now this is the early 90s. Crack is crazy. Right.

So it's like 10 motherfuckers on every corner. Yeah. And they all black as hell. It looked like a slave plantation. It was just like, everybody had their shirt off

and all this shit. And the chicks go into the house and get the weed and then they come out and they like, yo, as soon as they get in the car, they was like,

man, I hope they didn't sell us no fake weed. And the fuck said, what? Oh, hell no. We're going back into the house and we're getting our weed. And I'm looking around. I'm like, we're not going back. What? And he started going off.

Luckily, it was real weed. But if it wasn't, I don't know what we would have did. Because we wasn't going to leave there alive. So the reggae dome back there? Yeah. From what the Brazies was talking about, I guess that's what it was.

But yeah, man. You know, I'm just saying that Pac, he needed weed Right And he, you know He was a big component of it Always So imagine prison without it I'm sure he was getting it

Yeah What's your favorite part of the game? Is it making the record Or performing the record? Equally, it's two different highs Right? So, you know You make You make a record So it's your different highs Right So you know You make

You make a record So it's your art It's your expression You know what I mean This is how you This is how you really feel You hope that people love it But then when they do

And you're on stage And you get that energy Coming back to you You putting out this energy It's like firing a gun And then you get it back It's like Bro it's a high that you can't even

explain to people who don't get that high. Who don't get to experience that. You know, if they're looking from the sidelines, they're like, that's cool, but you know how that feels. Especially when it's your art. If you were doing karaoke, it would be one thing. But you're actually expressing

the things that you thought you wrote. This is your feelings. They might not even know. You might be telling a heartfelt story. But if it's on a dope beat, they just rock into it. You don't give a fuck. Because after the show, somebody's going to be like, I really love that story. Guess what? I went through the same thing with my mom.

I'm sure you get that all the time with the music. And another thing that I'll dispel is that if you're creative, you never stop creating. So let's get past this thing of, you know, you're too old or you're whatever, because we don't do that with Keith Richards and Mick Jagger and them. Nah, that shit's not.

That shit's ridiculous. Right, so, you know, I don't. Mick Jagger 99 right now. Yeah, so I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I don't even know if he's alive. I think it's an industry construct, to be honest with you. Yeah, well, yeah, to push. To keep people in these contracts that young people will sign.

Yeah. Because when you get older, you get the knowledge. You're like, no, I don't want that contract. So now it's a young man's sports, what they will tell you. Right. That's what they would tell you. Right. That's what they would tell you. But we also know that hip-hop is a youth movement. It came from a youth movement. It's youthful energy.

So it's always going to be mostly that, but that doesn't mean like, I don't give a fuck what you say. Nah, I just dropped the album. If this show is over and we're leaving and Nori's in his car and a dope beat come on, he might think of a bar. Of course. I still do. I don't want to,

but I still do. But you know what I mean? You can't help it. It's just... Nah, the other day, I ain't gonna lie, you were right. The other day,

just beat just started playing. I just started writing rhymes and I caught myself like, nigga, you retired. Yeah. But you don't. But that's the thing. Why are you retired. Yeah. But you don't. I'm 16, balls in. But that's the thing.

Why are you retired? Like, we don't tell doctors to retire. Right. They can still heal you no matter how old they are. We don't tell artists that can paint to retire. Right.

We don't look at a painting and be like, how old was he when he did that? Right. And then judge it on his age. Yeah, no, it's ridiculous. Art is art. No, I agree with you.

You understand what I'm saying? One million percent. But I retired myself, though. But you're not agree with you. You understand what I'm saying? One million percent, but I retire myself, though. But you're not. But you're not. But you're not retired. You do what you do. Because, look, listen.

Not really. With the NFTs, I'm going to come back, I'm going to be like, let's do a Drink Champs NFT, and you're going to do a bar. No, that's still my other career. But you're going to do a verse.

Nah, I don't know. You will. I don't know. Who asked you to do a verse? John Rue, he sent me a fire record. I've been avoiding that for too long. My brother, you just did a record not too long ago. You still

got bars. Come on, man. Stop your bullshit, man. Big up to Ja Rule. My brother, he crept into my DM after Shock passed. He seems a little crazy. After Shock passed. He just took a DM. What's going, after shock passed. After shock passed. You just took a look at your DM. Like, where's this dude going?

He didn't even drive. He said, crap. Like, niggas don't creep. They go into your DM. They don't creep. They don't creep. They don't creep. They don't creep.

They don't creep. I don't tell that story. I got to piss. Motherfucking Ja Rule, respectfully, with love, came into my DM after Shock passed and was like yo condolences bro. Shalou out of nowhere. You know what I mean?

I was like Ja my motherfucking man. Salute Ja Rule with love. I thought the love that Shock got was amazing and I thought it was well deserved. You know like. And salute to you on your first album on the change. You be like some haters spite for spite. I'm like Digital Underground do what you like.

I'm like, yeah, nigga, talk that shit. Come on, let's talk that shit. You know, him, I... At my old encounters with Shaq G, it was me realizing more and more how much of a genius he was. Because I always looked at him like the party guy. I never looked at him... I didn't know he was because i always looked at him like the party guy i never looked at him

i didn't know he was producing the shit i didn't know he was the orchestra i didn't know he all this so again like i said i actually thought shock g and humpty were two different people that's crazy like for real until like i actually i i'm not not sure If I was Got in the music business I would have ever Discovered it Like I mean Cause you know

But Yeah Him and Prodigy Was probably The illest deaths That I wanted to be like Damn I wish they would have Got some of that love

While they was alive Like You know like When P died I just I just It felt like God bless God bless me for saying this But it felt like they would have got some of that love while he was alive like you know like um when he died i i just i just it felt like god bless god bless me for saying this but it felt like when biggie died like you know how much like love like it was being shattered because a lot of people knew that big really didn't have nothing to do with the negative that happened with pop and when i get to see

what prodigy and when i got to see itq G, those are two deaths that I really wish they were to see, you know. Half of that love, like in real life, you know what I'm saying? So, I'm not sure. So, Shaq G was the one who said that he wanted you to play him in the movie, regardless. Regardless of what movie it was. Right. Was it a two-part movie established at that time or no? Yeah, it was being developed.

But you still got to go in there and audition, correct? Or his word was just balled? Yeah, no, no, no. I had to go in there and make it happen. And shout out to my brother LT Hutton for fighting me because I had no previous experience. So it was actually... I was just about to ask you, yeah previous experience. So it was the first thing I auditioned for. Right. Wow.

He was nervous as a motherfucker. And you know how the game go. The casting agents, forgive me my voice, pardon me. But you know how the casting people, they looking out for people that have relationships. Yeah, they got relationships. So I come in there this random nigga Knocking on the door like yo I got a motherfucking A submission

And they looking at me like the movie They looking at me like who is this nigga But LT Hutton one of the realest brothers to walk the earth Was like yo this motherfucker Is shock and no one could fade me You know what I mean no one could fade what I did So you know and that's LT's work Yeah shout out to LT.

I told you at the beginning I was a bad actor. Right. LT just put me in that shit. And that's the thing with the movie All Eyes on Me. A lot of people, you know, a friend of mine said it was like, you make a movie about Jesus, everybody going to have an issue. You make a movie about

Pac, everybody going to have an issue. Oh, I said that. You said that too? Yeah, I said it. You're one of my friends too. You know You make a movie about Pac, everybody's going to have an issue. Oh, I said that. You said that too? Yeah, I said it. You're one of my friends. Yeah, yeah. You know what it is with the Pac movie? You make a movie about Jesus,

nobody's going to be sad. And now with Netflix being so popular, it almost felt like the Pac movie was supposed to be a series. Right. It should have been a series.

It should have. Because he had, I think, I think, the Biggie movie came first. Here's the thing, let me ask, the Biggie movie came first, correct? Right thing. The Biggie movie came first, correct?

Right. So that's what I think they were trying to do, was trying to compliment the Biggie movie where Pac had, although they probably had the same amount of time on Earth, Pac had so much more experience. It was so many layers and so much that it couldn't fit in two hours. Yeah. It didn't fit.

I'm going to be honest with you. It didn't feel right. Okay. It didn't fit everything that we think that it could have. I like the Dablock movie. I'm one of the five people that did. I love Dablock. No, no, no.

I did too. But I think it could have been a way better film. But everybody around me always says that. Well, you know what? But I don't know. Yeah. So I keep hearing that, but I don't know. I mean, I understand if we could stretch it out.

You know, you can't fit it all in two hours. But the two hours that you got, is it because you felt like you didn't get it all? Because remember, here's a backlash that I got about that movie. People would talk about the NWA movie and talk about how much better that was. And the reason they said is because... Dre is here. Well, they said that the N.W.A. movie gave you more information, right? Right. But N.W.A. was, throughout their career,

they were secretive about their personal lives and things. Right, right. Pac gave you everything in real time, so you weren't going to learn anything new about Tupac in a Tupac movie, per se, because he already gave it to you He gave you everything. I guess what matters is for you who lived it. I live both That's I'm saying you lived it. You knew him was it good enough for you. It was good enough for me

So that's all that matters. Yes I mean, I don't I will tell everybody that I thought that it was a good movie and I don't have a problem with it if people say well They didn't tell everything or they compressed it, I'll accept people's opinions. But I'll never walk. I'll never leave a room letting anybody think that I was part of a bad project. It wasn't, you know, and I know and I do have to say this. Benny Boone, pick him up. That's the director. Benny Boone, my guy, LT. I will say this do have to say this. Benny Boom, big him up. That's the director. Benny Boom, my guy. LT.

I will say this. Let me say this. Yeah, go ahead. Everybody on that set did everything they could to be as precise, to do everything they could to make the best movie that they could. And to add to what he's saying, it's like Benny Boom, he was attached to the movie in, I believe, November before it started in December. Shooting, which had a contractual thing.

Like normally directors get six months to a year to sit and map the shit out, figure out how they want to do it. It was beset with so much people trying to cause problems. And we don't get into all of that. But there's a lot of different things. A lot of drama, controversy surrounding the movie so Benny boom came in in like the fourth quarter to make it happen and came through like oh I'm directing the POC movie and we start next week let's get it so salute to Benny boom for doing what he did like in real time and it was

perfect because Benny boom you know he came from the era right up in it so he could understand it a little bit. So, you know, I'm never, anybody has an opinion about it, I don't even try to defend or argue. I just listen and be like, all right, cool. But if you ask me, I thought it was good. I mean, okay, no, no, no, let me say this. Let me say this.

I thought that it was as accurate as it could be. Right. And I was actually, with the Digital Underground segment of it, I was a consultant on our part of it. So I know that it was as real as it could be. So maybe accuracy isn't the issue. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's the thing.

But people place that. They place accuracy and knowing something that they didn't know. I think something that threw it off was they had Snoop Dogg's real voice with a knot in Snoop Dogg. That fucked me up. Shout out to my nigga Jerry. You did your thing, bro. That fucked me up.

I'm like, that's Snoop real voice, but that's not Snoop right there. Hey, wait. I forgot about that part. Yeah, that just fucked me up. Wait'm like, that's Snoop real, boy. But that's not Snoop right there. Hey, wait. I forgot about that, boy. Yeah, like, that just fucked me up. Wait, it was really Snoop? Oh, you didn't see? I was watching the theaters. I was like,.

We went to the screening together, didn't we? In LA? No, he was. I got to go. I got to go. I got to go. I got to go. I got to go.

I went to the premiere here in Miami. I didn't go to the premiere. I went to the actual theater. And I looked, and I was like, yo, when I caught that, I was like, that's the fucked up. But I see how accurate they was trying to be. Hey, yo, my nigga Jarrett that played him, he just has a different voice, man. It wouldn't have worked. It wouldn't have worked.

He looked it, but it wouldn't have worked. They call Snoop. And so I always tell people. And homies are just like Pac. Remember your thought. Remember your thought. Out of the three movies What you

What you liked the most Biggie Pac Or NWA Out of the three Yeah I think I enjoyed The NWA movie

Yeah Straight out of I agree with you I think I And I think there's a big Take away for the Pac movie From that Yeah

Because it wasn't as accurate As you're saying And everybody says that Across the board What Say that again They Because it wasn't as accurate as you're saying and everybody says that across the board. What? Say that again? They said it wasn't as accurate.

What? The NWA movie. Oh, no, it wasn't. But I still enjoyed it. So I'm saying, though, like... Because they made themselves look better?

Enjoyment, accuracy. No, not necessarily. They're just making a great film. They made a movie. Right? So it's things in that movie that I know

I was, you know, like I said, I was... I was at an effort like that. But whatever. But it was you know, like I said, I was, that didn't happen like that. But whatever. But it was still good. That didn't make me go, ugh. Like people said that that sugar, like, thugging Eazy-E part didn't happen.

Well, imagine just for example, in Straight Outta Compton, they have Eazy-E whatever point and they made it seem like he went back

to selling weed right but in fucking 94 Bone Thugs-N-Harmony was out back part what the fuck you mean there's a lot

there's a lot what you mean when we had Cube when we had Cube I asked Cube about Arabian Prince where was Arabian Prince in the movie

bro Arabian Prince is he's key listen to that I was with Arabian Prince in the movie bro Arabian Prince is he's key listen to that I was with Arabian Prince the other night Arabian Prince if you listen I'm sorry I gotta say it I was impressed

I asked this nigga cause you know Arabian Prince been in the tech and gaming for a long time like I said I've been doing my podcast so I had him on and I'm like bro how many bitcoins you holding time. Like I said, I've been doing my podcast so I've had him on. And I'm like, bro, how many bitcoins you holding? He's like, about 320.

How many coins? Arabian Prince. My man. That's just bitcoin. Arabian King. Just bitcoin. He's Arabian coin. Arabian Prince is in's just Bitcoin. He's Arabian Coin. But he,

Arabian Prince is in that, he's in. Holy shit. Because he was into, he was into gaming and tech a long time ago. Wow. 320. That is,

that's insane. And that's just his Bitcoin. That's a lot of motherfucking money. Like I said, I'm, you know, Arabian Prince, my gosh. He putting a little bit

of business out there. But it don't matter because he'll tell you. I'm just telling you, that ain't all he got. I, he put a little bit of business out there. But it don't matter because he'll tell you. I'm just telling you, that ain't all he got. I'm just saying that's... Right, right. That's crazy.

That shows you how early he was in. He was ahead of... Because you're not going to get that much unless you're early. Right. So, go ahead.

No, no, no. So, but Rabin Prince wasn't in it. J.J. Fadd wasn't in it. Right, right. J.J. Fadd actually was the reason that they were able to do the Straight Outta Compton album. J.J. Fadd wasn't in it. Right, right. J.J. Fadd actually was the reason that they were able to do

the Straight Outta Compton album. J.J. Fadd was the record that popped, that bought the money in for them to do it. But this is the thing. This is my point to why I said that. To move for his record. That I feel like the Pac movie

could have been as theatrical, as great as N.W.A. And what happens is, N.W.AWA wasn't as accurate, but it was such a good film. It was a good film. That if you're interested in the story, you will dig in the crates.

Right. You will figure it out. And F. Gary Gray had that time to really say, And I felt, that's where I felt the pop movie fell a little short. And that's what I'm saying.

That's my opinion. Well, that's what I'm saying. I can accept that, and I wouldn't dispute it. If that's how you feel, maybe I'm too close to it. I'm just saying that if people come to me about accuracy, I have to laugh at it if they bring up NWA as the point of accuracy. It's not. Even Cube, he said it on our show,

when I brought up Arabian Prince. I don't remember what his response was, but he... Arabian Prince, and then also... And then Aitren's not even in the NWA movie. He was the role manager, but then in the Tupac movie, they made Aitren one person. Right.

Well, because Pac had a few managers, and they just made one manager throughout his career. But it makes sense because I asked LT. He's like, bro, I can't keep introducing a new character every 30 minutes. Right, right, right. Because now you don't know who he is. You have to explain who this person is. So they compressed, you know, Watani know what what tiny right they made sure a character

Amalgamate I got a pocket a few so they just made the manager character a combination and really quick for anybody It's not understand what we talk about Arabian Prince. He's in the album cover of strata comp. He's one of the guys looking down in Arabian Prince had a solo career. Right. He was that guy. He's fucked with Uncle Jam's Army and the Egyptian lover that...

No, no. He was a legend already at that point. Yeah, he was one of the bigger guys when it started. Right. He was the name guy.

And to add to the storytelling shit, I just seen the brother, Divine, RZA's brother, talking about the Woo series

and he's like, bro, we have 11 siblings in the show that's four. But to have 11 brothers and sisters on a show, it's so much on the show that's four. Because you can kind of process that.

11 motherfuckers, it's too much going on. So to tell a story, you got to make adjustments. You condense it, right. Yeah, I should have been in the movie more. Let me ask you this. It seems like Pac almost predicted his rape case, right? I'm going to say these vocals.

Predicted? Yeah. You got lyrics? I get around. Yeah, I get around. No way. Go ahead. Listen to the locals.

It says, you don't know me. You just met me. You won't let me. Well, I couldn't have it. Silly rabbit. Why you sweating me? It's a lot of real G's doing time.

Because Ruby... Bit the truth and told a lie. Bit the truth and told a lie. You're taking it long now, baby. If you're too fly, you need to hit the dope. So you know that's what's mind state. So why would that happen? This is what I'm saying.

Are you going back to the attraction part? Pac spoke a lot of attracting these people. It's almost like he predicted that. He spoke a lot of shit into reality.

Well, you could say it that way, but to me, that's not attracting it because if he had said she, if in that same rhyme

he was saying that she was accusing me and I'm going to jail, then I would say you're attracting it. In that rhyme, he's saying this is why I'm not fucking with you because people get accused. This is what happened.

It just so happened that he did. So we have to come with another example. Kinda. Yeah. Nori. Kinda. No. I mean, I mean,

listen, I'm being honest. I mean, it's pretty, it's kinda, that's like you saying, I like Frank, so then you,

a Frank hits you in your face. Like, hey man, you kinda, you kinda predicted it. Like, I mean, I'm just saying,

I'm just saying, I'm just. He said you found the wrong guy. Uh oh. Yeah, he said, I don't know. You making lemon water over there? saying. He said you found the wrong guy. Uh-oh. He said you went, I don't know.

You making lemon water over there? Hey. He getting shot in the face. You want a tea? My lemons? For everybody paying attention, I was at the Ray and Ghost and Jizz Show and I was wildin'.

They're not paying attention. And my voice, I just want everybody to know. Nobody's paying attention. I just want everybody to know. Take a shot. I was wildin'. What are you taking, lemons? I'm just, I was lemon straight.

You can't. Lemon water on drink change? You got me on Ciroc. Let me get my little Ciroc. No, right here, right here, right here. That's your thing. I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait.

All right. Where's Sonny DBT? He went to the bathroom in the morning. So what? No, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. I like you. Go ahead.

No, I was just. No, go ahead. All right, Boris. Sit down. You're going to have shots now. Boris. I know this is a generic-ass question. Yo, what the fuck?

I know this is a generic-ass question, but it's warranted. Did you ever think hip-hop would make it this far? Um... I had no idea. You know what I mean? Because I wasn't doing it for the outlook of it. I was doing it for the love of it, if that makes sense.

Because when we started doing it, it wasn't a billion-dollar industry. It was a whatever-dollar industry that it was. So even... Where was Hammer when you guys started coming out? Like, what level was he at? Hammer from the Bay Area too, right? From up in town. Town business.

Okay. Hammer... I just feel like Hammer doesn't get a fair shake because he broke all those barriers and then got clowned for it for everybody who wants to do that.

And then everything to do, yeah, to do it now, yeah. He broke them and then he started doing commercials, Pepsi and chicken and all that shit. Right. And everybody was like, oh, this thing, we would to do it now yeah he broke them and then he started doing commercials Pepsi and chicken and all that shit right and everybody was like

oh this thing we would never do that and then motherfuckers turned around and everybody getting a Sprite commercial yeah you feel me

so I call him I call him Uncle Ham alright you know what I mean and Hammer we want Hammer on three times man

you need Hammer on three times now Hammer will sit here and tell you like tell you stories about Little Richard. Hammer's an icon, man. I can tell you stories about Big Daddy Kane and Rakim. You're telling us about Hammer.

This nigga's telling you about Little Richard and Michael Jackson. He got Michael Jackson and Little Richard stories. You need Hammer on your show. No, we need him. Absolutely. I'll get him. Goddamn, man. Look, I on your show. We need him. Absolutely. Goddamn, man. I'll call Oakland.

He said he's down. He just said it's a timing thing. Let's help the timing thing out. You can help. He still on tour? Hammer and some tech shit too. He just wants it to be the right timing. He's winning. We was about to go on tour with him in 2024.

Yeah, he don't need us. Hammond doesn't need us. Nah, he don't need us. I ain't saying that. No, not that, but what I'm saying is Hammond's just... We definitely want to give him his flowers. Right. MC Search talked about him on there, too. Well, they had discrepancy.

They had discrepancy? White and black thing? Nah, I just... It was a commercial versus non-commercial. I'm just fishing. Just fishing. Go ahead. Searching Hammond. That was... Hammond's a legend, man.commercial. I'm just fishing. Just fishing. Go ahead. Search and Hammer.

Hammer's a legend, man. Hands down. They're facts. Hammer and Search are both family to me. So it was just unfortunate. I think. Who went in in the versus battle? It was that era that they were trying.

Who's winning between Hammer and Search? In the versus battle. Hammer and Search. Hammer, man. I think. I don't know. I don't know your face man I think I think hammers winning all due respect to MC search and third base but him justice

if you if you did a versus battle and it was on a stage hammer would win if you were playing the songs Right Because how many hits Does third bass have Right They have the gas face And they have Steppin' to the AM

And what else Um Uh Pop goes the weasel Pop goes the weasel Um But Brooklyn Queen

Brooklyn Queen Back to the grill again Back to the grill again That's searched by himself But he could use that He could do that Yeah he could use it He could use all the shit

Anything that he's on Yeah. He could do that. Yeah, he could use it. He could use all the shit. Anything that he's doing. And Nas can come out with him? Yeah, Nas. He could bring Nas out. But, you know, he's going to run out. All the Hammers just come out with all the dancers.

Yeah, he's going to run out of songs before Hammer does. He still do those moves. Search could possibly save it and win it because Search can freestyle. So, he's like, alright, every song you play, I'm gonna bust up. So Hammer can't freestyle? I've never heard Hammer freestyle. Okay.

I've heard him beat up a bunch of people. Hammer can fight. Hammer's a G. Hammer's, that's the thing that people don't know about Hammer, man. Hammer's a G and he's well respected as a babe. Cause niggas just try to play him. Hammer, Hammer, Hammer.

Hammer had hands. He had hands and his brother, you know, he come from some shit. No, Hammer's a G. Goddamn, big up Hammer.

Yeah, yeah, Hammer, Hammer. So is there anything else you want to say before we get up out of here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We was talking about it and I'm, you know, just want to express,

we were talking about Tupac and the cannabis. Right. You know, I am a part of a company, Cannabis Venture Partners, so we're a solutions company. So for artists, I know,

and I know you guys heard of Compton Grinders, right? Mm-hmm. So we're partners with them. Oh, yeah, they gave us a grinder. Crazy Bone, yeah. They gave me a big ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So our company is partners with them. Dope, okay. So for companies like that and even for artists, if you want to, we're a cannabis solutions company. This is why I don't want to be here. You see, you see, he even does that. I don't like this. I don companies like that and even for artists, if you want to, we're a cannabis solutions company. You see he even does that? I don't like this. I don't like this. We need our own

fucking office. I mean, but it's because he's wearing those glasses now that Kanye gave him. Kanye gave him those glasses and he thinks he can do all that. We're a cannabis solutions company. So if you need, you know, if you need a property and you want to sell your dispensary, if you're trying to figure out what's going to sell, Cannabis Venture Partners, we to figure out What's going to sell Cannabis Venture Partners

We do that What I wanted to say about Tupac The movie You said it You said you hear 10 stories about Tupac And I said they're all true Meaning that I don't even know if you ever met Tupac

Or any of you ever did. I never met him. So I always say, people come to me and be like, yeah, such and such said he did this with Pac and da da da. And I'll be like, you know, I have no reason to doubt what somebody says if I wasn't with them.

Because Pac was that person. If he met you and he was with you for an hour, he touched you for a lifetime in a sense. Right? So I said, there is eventually going to be a movie.

Some chick is going to tell the story about how Pop came to town, got her pregnant. She went through the state. If Pop got to have some kids out here. Some illegitimate kids.

They never had the baby, but they had conversations and da-da-da. That's a movie. Right. So I said, there can be, so we talk about.

None of y'all used condoms back then, so. Y'all didn't use condoms. That's a blanket statement, by the way. Come here, y'all got some kids right now. None of y'all used condoms back then.

I know, and y'all ain't had pages back then either. Y'all was just busting in shit. Freaks in the industry. You got kids in Chicago you don't know about. Can I tell the story? You got kids in Chicago.

You say yes. Can I tell the story? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The story is, the story is. The story's about condoms? I did wear condoms. So, but the one time. What were they called?

Jimmy Hacks back then? No, he said the one time you wore a condom. The one time I did. He was doing a lot of titty fucking. Okay. A lot of titty fucking. I used to be a titty fucker, bro. Yeah. High five. Yeah, give him one time I did. He was doing a lot of titty fucking. Okay. A lot of titty fucking. I used to be a titty fucker, bro. Yeah.

High five. The one time he did you was your head. You guys said hi about jerking off. There was a time, you know, when we first came out, so it was like 1990 or whatever. So we go, and I'm not going to elaborate, but we went to Wichita, Kansas, and something happened.. No, okay. She was native. Okay. Okay. Nice. She had real hair Yeah real hair. Yeah. Okay

So after that Anyways, I know that I was dreading to ever go back to Wichita, Kansas, because I just knew when I popped up. You had a little money bee running around somewhere. A child was going to come up. Maybe like two years later, like 93-ish, I go back. I'm looking around. Nothing ever happened. And then we went back there a few more times.

I was like, ah, fuck yeah. I see you good. Yeah. He might come, he might come, I haven't seen this interview. It might be a disservice. If it ever happened, he's native. With freckles.

With freckles. Got you. So yeah, so. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no. So, what we're talking about, I said, any of these is gonna be a bunch of, I promote and I welcome more Tupac movies.

Because there's so many... How about a Tupac series? Or how about a digital underground series? Well, that's what I'm looking to. I think all of it collectively. So, we are, you know, we're working on that. That's fine. And then also, I heard you talking, but I'm also part of a streaming network called Fire Streaming Network.

What is it, like a SoundCloud? No, it's an actual streaming like a Hulu. It's black owned. We're in 122 countries, over 12,000 pieces of content. By the time this comes out, I don't know

when you're going to release it, but it will be public. Without it even being marketed globally, we're at that point. You got you porn on your streaming services? Not yet, not yet. But we do have a sports and boxing channel. You guys should high five on that one. I know. Is that the same hand?

Hispanic? It's that young, E.B. Yeah, Vyre streaming network. Look for that shit. What's the name of the streaming network? Vyre. V-Y-R-E. V as in victory.

Alright, that's my name, Victor. V-Y-R-E. Oh, I've seen it. I've seen Vi. I've seen that. Right. I've absolutely seen that. Like I said, it's been out, so it's moving and shaking.

They made us up, actually. But it's actually getting ready. Yeah, and we do live stream. So I'm talent and content supervisor. So if you got some shit, I can have you green light your shit. Goddamn. Let's do it. Come on, goddamn.

I have to throw smoke champs through there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. On Vyre, we do have CannaVid TV, which is a cannabis channel, which if you guys want to, that's what I was thinking. Hey. Smoke champs.

Big up. Let's go crazy with it. Big up. Ah, that's smoke champs. We do that, and then with Cannabis Venture Partners, you know Big up all this smoke chow. And then with cannabis venture partners, with all that we do. So we have it in the cannabis space. And I always want to say,

all of these ventures that we do is really about, if you notice, every time I say that I'm into something, it's consulting, it's management, it's agency. Because it's about bringing

people into the space with me. I'm not in these spaces just trying to eat up for myself. I just feel like, you know, this game has given so much to me, and all of us are able to make a living from the culture that we come from. So the culture has giving back to us. So we're at the age now. It's like we can see young people or you can say young people or you can just say people before us that don't have the educational knowledge that we have. Let's share it.

This nigga is the oracle right here. There's a thing, you know, you can say it's out the bay on the Call of Duty game. The game is to be sold, not told. But we're at the point to like, we have it now. Don't worry about selling it. Let's share it.

Share it. Let's share it, you know? What's that artist you said that, from the Bay? I don't remember that. Lil Mikey TMB. Lil Mikey TMB. L-I-L.

Okay. And TMB means the money boy. Mm. Hot, hot business. Okay. All right, then y'all, let's do it. Take these pictures. Take these pictures and get these drops.

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