Drink Champs - Episode 312 w/ Benny The Butcher

Episode Date: April 29, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only Benny The Butcher! The Butcher joins us as he shares his journey in Hip-Hop. Benny shares stories about his come up in Buffalo, the Griselda movement and much more.  Benny also shares stories about signing to Def Jam, how he deals with trolls and much much more! Diamond D and Jarobi of A Tribe Called Quest also join the conversation!  Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Drink Champs motherfucking Drink Champs Now When we talk about Drink chance. Drink chance. Now, when we talk about, I don't want to call it street music. When we talk about, I want to call it feeling music. Where you could just hear and you just feel it and you feel where these motherfuckers is coming from. You feel their pain. You feel the struggle. You feel it and you feel where these motherfuckers is coming from. You feel they pain. You feel the struggle.

You feel it in the bars. I was just sitting there going through the playlist just now and I started rhyming. I haven't done that in maybe six years. I was just sitting there listening

and I started rhyming. I was just like, I said, damn, this nigga make me want to rhyme again. And I don't want to rhyme. said, damn, this nigga make me want to rhyme again. And I don't want to rhyme. Yeah, that ain't easy to get you to rhyme.

I don't want to rhyme, nigga. God bless me. This man has been a hustler, hustler. He has stayed out. He's made us single-handedly be proud to be from New York again. We always been proud to be from New York. Boy, do more. In case you don't know who the fuck we talking about.

We talking about the one. The motherfucking owner. The motherfucking Butcher. Yeah! The Butcher coming, nigga. Now, man, I swear to God, I swear to God, I don't... That music, just listening

to it just now, it reminded me... Like I said, just listening to it just now, it reminded me, like I said, feelings. Like I could feel it. Right. Like I felt like I was, whatever you was talking about, I felt like I was there with you. I'm proud of that shit because that's where I come from. And people that came before me, the Wu Tangs the mob deep I had to keep on that tradition right but then a time to stop where

Being a street nigga wasn't cool. No right went in a different direction Turn that started all that Turn next door to the apartment. All that. A lot of square niggas. Singing. All singing. No rapping. But then I hear you. And you're in a crew. And y'all got that integrity. Why? Why you ain't slipping back?

And two step with it. Shit like. We way better at. The way we doing it right now. You know what I'm saying? Right. And that's just what I tell everybody. Like you gotta.

Stick to what you good at. Right. You know what I'm saying? At the same time niggas want to be niggas want to hang with all the lit niggas and do all the trendy shit but I mean you know that's that's for everybody but the Griselda shit is for Griselda niggas right from saying so this hours so is it feel more it feel better just running our own shit and just trying to do some trendy shit with other niggas and it's easy to be yourself than to be something else. Exactly. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, even me. Well, I can't say I jumped on the trends. A lot of the times I was setting trends, like when we do on reggaeton, I would go out and explore. Is that something that you want to do? What you have for work for RAL?

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I've been working with Mike Will. I've been working with Scott Storch. I work with a whole lot of different producers. You know what I'm saying? Hell yeah. And you would let a commercial record, someone produce a commercial record? Not a commercial record, but you know the radio-friendly shit. Listen, of course, I'm an artist.

You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? Like, fans feel how they want to feel, but I'm an artist. I'm in it for, at this point, it's not about the money. It's for satisfaction, it's for legacy, all that type of shit. But, you know what I mean? Hell yeah. These dudes is legends and they geniuses.

Who am I to? You know what I mean? Like, real shit. Come on. You got your own shit, okay? Let's make some money for that. I was waiting. I was waiting. I was told to share bottles and shit like that. I get my own I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working.

I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working.

I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working.

I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I was working. I you know what I mean? Yeah. That's my shit right.

It definitely make it harder. Yeah. Shit, Buffalo, that's the middle of nowhere. Right. I mean, nobody, there's no blueprint. Right. We created the current blueprint. Right.

Except for Rick James. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, definitely Rick. Definitely Rick. You know what I'm saying? But it's like, you know, we didn't know shit. From what I see, this shit is all about connections and knowledge. You know what I'm saying?

We wasn't connected to nobody. We didn't know shit about the industry or know how to put our best foot forward. So when Wes came with the formula, you know what I mean? However that is, you know, everybody asked me about that shit. You know what I mean? But that's just really his intuition or whatever he had. But this shit make it way harder. Niggas don't want to co-sign Buffalo niggas.

You know what I mean? You know how that shit go. Let me just say you something. I'm going to word this very, very careful. When Prodigy was approached, they told Prodigy,

Queensbridge is hot. So just say you're from Queensbridge. Like, in retrospect, it probably wasn't the right thing to do, but he was being a team player. Exactly, right. Y'all could have easily said, nigga, we from the Bronx. That's a fact. We from such and such, too.

But you got to say, nigga, we from Buffalo. Yeah, real shit, because all of that being from Buffalo, being from the middle of nowhere, and all that shit that was bad or whatever they try to use against us it works in our favor now you know what i'm saying so it's a spin you know i mean and that's what i tell niggas like be yourself rep your shit you know i mean right i remember nor the same thing we've been talking about with snoop with anybody from the south they were going through it too new jersey was going through it too it wasn't just the the region far from the city of New York. We got to explain to him though. We got to explain to him.

I mean, yeah, exactly. Okay, we always all here, right? This is my man from the south, by the way, on the west coast. And he always brings up the time when New York

is the shit on everyone. The industry, the industry. The industry. The New York is the shit on everyone. But what they don't know is New York shit on New York.

It's New York, it's New York, it know like New Yorkers. Like, I love sitting down with Jay recently because Jay said, he said, I don't know why they, it was like he watched us on Dream Chats. He said, I don't know why they still mad at us for they doing this back in the days. They said, they did it to us, Nori. They didn't accept Jay. They didn't accept me. They think people from

New York is assholes Yeah I know you're not saying That other regions Didn't accept Big Didn't accept Jay That's bullshit No that's bullshit

Yes at first That's bullshit No it's about New York Didn't accept Jay This is from the man's mouth himself He said when he first came out He had to work harder In his own city

He talk about that He talk about that a lot How he had to grind You know what I'm saying He was fighting in his own city. He talk about that. He talk about that a lot, how he had to grind and how, you know what I'm saying? He was fighting giants and shit like that. He talk about that all the time. No, but me and T.I. is one of them. And I always bring up T.I. And I always say to T.I., you got to let it go.

But we got niggas got to let it go. We let it go. We just explaining to you the history of it. They want to make it known. They want to go to the scoreboard. T.I. is doing better with it. My friend is doing better with it. They got a scar in their head from back in the days.

Was it like that for you? Like reaching out at first? Because now you got a union. Yeah, but after everything warmed up, it wasn't hard. But yeah, you know what I'm saying? Not just being from Buffalo, just being an artist who motherfuckers didn't know. You know what I'm saying? Motherfuckers won't fuck with you unless you got something going on.

You can't really be mad at them, though. Because you got to get something going on. There's so many other people that got shit going on. Get something going on. If you ain't heating up, it's almost like you're doing something wrong now. So it's like, get your shit together. Like Leo Combs used to say to me't come to say to me you cannot stand from the rat juice like what do you mean no one wants to stand next to the wagon right right right

no matter how cool you is you go it's crazy it's crazy out there so i watched the breakfast club the other day and i seen the homie on there and I was thrown off a little bit. There wasn't no disses. There wasn't no shots. But it was like, it was something I didn't see from Gazelle the Elf before. Right, right. Do you got an opinion on that? To be honest with you, it's like, them niggas brothers. Right.

So, it ain't like I never seen, you know what I mean? So, it's probably like you said, like, y'all first time seeing it. Right. So, it's like, them niggas knew each other their whole life, but Griselda is Griselda. Y'all, people are learning who, people are learning, people are learning who we are. You know what I'm saying? You see, Wes is, he the flamboyant one, he the whatever he doing, he the brains. Conway, he the one carrying it with the rap.

You know what I mean? His position on that top five list is, he gives a fuck about it, you know what I'm saying? He don't like to be slighted. He like his name on them lists. He like niggas that know his work. And me, I'm just, I'm a combination of both of that. So it's just, you know what I mean?

He was just being him, he said how he felt, but you know what I mean? That was just being him. He said how he felt. But, you know what I mean? That ain't nothing more than brothers being brothers. Because I'm going to tell you the truth. I didn't take no offense to him saying that when he signed, he didn't get no money. Because if this is the camaraderie that we building and we say we're going to build something together, then I'm essentially saying to myself, too, and I'm not going to give myself no money. We're going to build it together.

So I didn't see nothing wrong with that. But I felt like the outside looking in, everyone's going to have opinions once you go public. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I said that,

I said that on, on my breakfast club interview, how I signed my contract for no money. And I said it in a sense as like, I was just showing people like that's how shit goes

sometimes. A lot of times. You know what I mean? And I think he was like more so saying it it like that and to be honest with you you know I'm saying it ain't it ain't no secret man you know he he he he wanna he that nigga's a hustler that nigga he came through the same circumstances I came through even work shit he got hitting it he got not me yeah so it's like you know, he want his credit for what he do. Maybe he feel like he don't get enough credit, you know what I'm saying?

So, you know what I mean? Talking his shit, that's how he feel. Cause I had a record with him, and he says on the record, I got one more album done with all parties involved. And I didn't even catch it. I didn't even catch it. So when I'm looking at the Breast Club interview,

people was like, he said it on your record. I said, what? I was like, that's how much of a bozo i am i was sitting around like holy shit he did say and like i said you know i come from that camp i come from a camp where tragedy put us on i wanted trash to just to try a different amount i'm out of this story but i wanted trash to stay on. Traz let me go. Pause. I wanted him to be like, yo, I want to buy myself off the contract.

I wanted him to be like, no. Just let me go. As a person that's been through that type of thing, let me just remind y'all something. When me and Traz squashed it, me and Traz got together and made sure we straightened it all out, he reminded us that we split four chicken wings and fries together.

He had to say that, like, yo, listen, out of all the shit that we did, all this beautiful shit we got, let's go back to the four chicken wings and French fries. And we went to the Woms. Y'all really got the chicken wings and fries? We had to. We had to get the nasty hot sauce. You know the hood hot sauce. You got to bite the pack and ship in there for 20 days.

There's a duck on there. Cat piss and shit. You know what I mean? You just got to remind yourself. It's just like, yo, no matter how much we get there, we got to remember our dream at first. And we did that shit. So I just want to give that advice.

You know what I'm saying? No, that's real shit. We get advice like that from the OGs want to give that advice you know i'm saying because no that's real shit man we get we get advice like that from from the ogs all the time you know i'm saying and and and for if if niggas sitting back thinking that this brazil this shit perfect come on nothing is perfect man you know i mean it's like sometimes you know but that's y'all fault you know why y'all presented it like that no we just we just that's just what it is you know i'm saying it's like why like that. No, we just, that's just what it is. You know what I'm saying? It's like, why would people think that, though? Like, everything perfect.

Ain't nothing perfect, like you just said. Ain't nothing perfect. That ain't nothing perfect. So anytime people get to see some shit they ain't see, and you right, like, I haven't watched the interview. You know what I'm saying? Of course people hit me about it, but them niggas ain't been on the phone since that. We going on tour. It's beautiful. You know what I mean?

Nah, it's beautiful. I just, I was the been on the phone since that. We going on tour. It's beautiful. I was the person that fell victim to that type of shit. I was the person that when again, when I wanted to leave the label and I said I wanted to leave the label, it was a part of me that wanted him to say, yo, nigga, you ain't leaving. You can't just leave

death row. A lot of motherfuckers, they feel like if me and Conway go on with our own labels, with our own situation, they think that's leaving Griselda. Because you got your own label with E1, right? Yes, I do. You know what I'm saying? Yes, I do. Monarch.

Shout out Monarch. You know what I mean? But I've been doing that. You know what I'm saying? Like, Wes knew me for that, to always have my own shit going on. So, when people see me doing the shit that I'm doing and it's like I'm drifting away,

I'm never drifting away. That always was his plan. That's why I said in the song, this is what's playing, this is what he saw because he told me before I knew on some G shit. When I signed that contract for Zill Dollars,

he's like, yo, bud, you about to be the biggest shit ever. I don't got a dollar in my pocket. I'm like, I hope you right, nigga. I'm saying he was right. You know what's crazy?

I was campaigning for you. Ike is in here to be on Def Jam. Even back then, the first day, I believe it was the first day you met DMX. Is that? Hell yeah. You remember that day? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so dope to see.

Because Ike is not technically an A&R. He's in here. I don't know why I'm talking like third person. Like third person. But he's not technically an A&R. But I never seen him hype. He just said, Billy the Butcher! Billy the Butcher!

And I'm just like, fuck with me. I was like, jeez louise. We don't know this. We don't know that. So he campaigned for you to go to Def Jam. I obviously said what I wanted to say, but the deal didn't get closed. Now, how the hell does a West Coast nigga sign B? And we just spoke about this with him as well.

How does this happen? Man, really, it just happened because he just gave me some advice that I needed to just basically speak up and say what I wanted. You know what I mean? Hey, Yoaz, hold up a second. I got something to say. Addiction is a treatable disease, but finding the right treatment can be overwhelming and confusing. Shatterproof, a national nonprofit, is here to help without judgment. At Shatterproof, their goal is to help you find addiction care

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You feel what I'm saying? You know, sometimes when you're talking through people, lines get crossed. I'm not saying that was my situation, but you know what I mean? Like, Unk made me feel comfortable. Like, nigga, I can, yo, nigga, you better tell them. Nigga, we gon' call them tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? It's like, he gave me that energy I was comfortable with. You know what I'm saying?

Shout out to the whole Def Jam. Man, I love Def Jam, I ain't gon' hold you. I'm a Buffalo nigga signed to Def Jam. That's fire. That's crazy. Yeah, make some noise for me. I'm going to tell you the first day I signed to Def Jam, Irv Gotti shut me down immediately.

What happened? It was a very bad thing. I'm going to sign, you know, you sign downstairs to tell them you're coming upstairs. I'm going to sign, you know, you sign downstairs. They'll tell them you're coming upstairs. I'm going upstairs to sign my contract. And Irv looks at me.

He looks at me just like this. He goes, don't celebrate, nigga. And I'm like, what? What kind of evil shit are you doing right now? I'm supposed to be celebrating. It was Chris Tao back then. I'm like, I got the Chris Tao upstairs. Maybe he's going to smoke some cigars.

He said, don't celebrate. And I Chris Tao back then. I'm like, I got the Chris Tao upstairs. Maybe he's going to smoke some cigars. He said, don't celebrate. And I was like, damn. He was like, you're going to have to work harder here than you did independently. Was he right? No. I meant to say that for years.

I want to ask that question. No, he was not right. But he was right to a certain extent What I expected I didn't get This is a different regime Except you have

And you said you're enjoying it so far So you're saying Because this is a lifelong question that we have Major or independent? You are, do you like more? Which one, I like more? Yes. Really?

So, boom. I haven't done no debit chain business yet. Yeah. You just got the check. Let's make some noise for that. It doesn't even make sense. You can't hide it. It's all you're thinking about.

Listen, I don't be, you know what I'm saying? I just be saying real shit. It's like, you know, sometimes I think I've been hearing this before. I signed a debt, Jim. They take the longest with the money. I don't got the check yet. You know what I'm saying? It's on the way.

I checked my account today, though. It's coming, bro. It's coming. You know what I'm saying? I just be wanting people to know that. They be looking at me. They see me with a new pair of kicks. I'm like, you got the check. You got the check. I just want people to know that Wait so he didn't answer me He said you the check I was saying I don't know yet

Okay, and I'm saying you gotta ask me this maybe 18 24 months, right? I'm saying I don't know but it had been good for me. Like you said, you didn't get what you were going to expect. I expect certain things. I don't expect everything, though. I thought I was signing to the Yankees. And then I realized the Yankees don't fuck with each other, neither. You'll be seeing these niggas

give each other fives. You don't know. And when they turn around, some of them are like, man, fuck this nigga. He had to give him a five. But I realized it was nothing together. Even Rockefeller. I had to tell them. They wouldn't tell me they were breaking up at all.

But I wasn't privileged for that information. But it wasn't what I expected. You know what I'm saying? That's why the bigs keep saying, yeah, because you ain't signed the contract. I said, that's how rich y'all motherfuckers was. Y'all didn't even care about giving me a contract.

Y'all gave me a blockchain. That's what I was saying. Yeah, it's weird for me. So me, personally, I'm going to tell you, I don't like the independent hustle. Y'all niggas, niggas that's independent work 15 times harder. Not real shit, though. But only shit. Only shit.

That's the only real... That's what's the most important part of that. That's true. I agree with you. Wholeheartedly, I agree with you. But, I like getting to that bag, y'all. I like the universal Jacksonville.

What? Did you see him shit? You like, yo, my nigga, I want it all. Your shit stupid. I want it all. My nigga, I'm alive. I'm alive. My nigga, I ain't gonna lie to you, man. This shit's stupid. Listen, man, Majors took care of me.

I wasn't one of those dudes. Like, I brought my poetry back, my second album. So I was one of those dudes that they did fear. They kind of did me fear. So then I got used to it. And boy, when I went independent, it didn't work out for me. It didn't work out. It didn't work out guess i wanted to go right back to the majors no real shit that's what i'm trying to see i'm trying to like take my shit to the next level right that's what i did it for you know i'm saying of course it's a lot of shit just out my reach because all right i do a lot of

shit myself like you said you know i mean like yo yo west west really just showed me everything just by being him i mean and i took a lot of shit in my own hands and i do a lot so you know i mean like i and then you need a break right you know i'm saying and i need like i need to get some big records yeah you know i'm saying i'm in the radio budget yeah i'm saying i love i love everything about being a major no, look, the difference with him and a lot of artists that are independent that go to majors, you go with that mentality. You can take advantage of the situation versus a new artist that goes straight to the majors.

And I'm going to say it for you, so you don't got to sound like you're being cocky. But Def Jam needs you, sir. No, and you know what? And that's another big thing. They got to do the right thing. They bring in the Tungy over there. It's a new team over there, like you said.

And I'm part of that new team. So it's like everybody got a chip on their shoulder over there. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? We all got that in common. We all got that. You know what I mean? We all want to show what we about to do.

So I like being a part of that. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm telling you. When it works for your favor, it really is one of the best things in the world. You can go on tour. You got... You got a street team. There's no other support like a major. Every city, you got a street

team just coming downstairs and giving you ecstasy. I gotta say this, though. Shout out to motherfucking Ghazi. I gotta say that. Gazi and Nima because their system, you know what I'm saying? I helped

build my shit up off of their system. You know what I mean? Motherfucking plugs I met. No, no, no, not plugs. Motherfucking Tandatalk 3, Burton approved. Motherfucking Tandatalk 4. I'm saying that's all with them.

So I helped build my shit up over there and they do a lot of shit. But Plugs, I met one and two, you know what I'm saying? I did those on my own, you know what I'm saying? With John Jekyll, like Next Records, Harry Fraud. I did them shits on my own, you know what I'm saying? How'd you hook up with Alchemist? Through Wes. My first time in LA, I went to Al House and I recorded a song for the album.

Wes was like, yo, this nigga nice. Or Al probably heard some shit, so he let me rock. Only did one song, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? I was still on a short leash, shit like that. But end up going back and forth, you know what I'm saying? He know I'm hungry and we made some good shit together. You know what I'm saying?

That's what we owe to y'all, period. It's a guy named Carlos Montanado who owns Classic Material. Oh, that's my guy right there. Yeah, he owns Classic Material. Oh, that's my guy right there. Yeah, he owns Classic Material and Alchemist. I would go to Alchemist's crib and he would play me

y'all shit so fast. Like, the arrow's not dead. I'm like, oh, okay. Before anybody was... Yo, I was hearing that too. You know what? Yeah, and Los was doing the same thing.

Yeah, Los put me on to y'all. I heard a lot of niggas... Back then, I heard a lot of people say that. Yeah. Like, yo, Alplay me some new shit Well, I go yellows close put me on y'all. You know I mean real shit. I go for it. Oh They both got some good ears because they seen it a long time ago

But I how about Kanye West how'd you let you a couple him? Hey, just by him fucking with Griselda I guess or you know saying or his relationship you got with Wes and just told us to come out there with the Sunday service, met him and shit like that. You know what I mean? How did you hook up with Kanye West? Kanye been my little nigga.

He goes back. You know what I'm saying? He just don't act to me and shit like that. You know what I mean? Nah, he is, he is. I'll tell you this. I never knew a free man until I hung out with him recently. And we all free, right?

We all free. But right now, you want to go to Jamaica, you're not just going to Jamaica tomorrow. You're going to say, let's plan it out a week. You want to make sure the weed man is out there. You want to make sure the village you got is right. That's not how he live. He going, he like. That nigga just do whatever the fuck he want the village. You got to. That's not how he live. He going. He like.

He's a nomad. Whatever the fuck he want to do. He just moves. He just flew. He's like, can I film with you tomorrow? I didn't know if he meant drink champs or not. I was like, yes, let's go. He just flew here.

And he came early. We wasn't here. So he stood in McDonald's. I'm not going to McDonald's worth 10 million, my nigga. 10 million, my nigga. That's far. They just said McDonald's is over. Once I hit a beat, it's done. Me and you, we ain't, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, my nigga, I mean a lot of people don't understand that about me You know I'm saying like even like with this record with Drake that that you know people be asking

Everybody like yo when that when when that when that record coming out, I'm like, yo, you need a record with Hov. For people even to be saying shit like that is still crazy to me. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that's nuts. My God. Let me be honest with you. The unicorns in the game? Fuck with you.

That's a fact. The unicorns. Heavy, heavy though. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that just let me know, like you were saying, like the cloth, this really, this y'all shit. So y'all respect how we carry it.

So that's why, you know what I mean? That's why that love is extended like that. You know what I mean? So when it come back, I'll be knowing what that mean. Right. Nah, that's real talk, man. You got a real support system. I'll tell you the truth. I didn't see artists support

like since like, I didn't see other artists support, like how they're really supporting y'all since Wu-Tang Clan. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like everyone had their favorite out of the Wu. Then, you know,

when they were together. But I always would go to a Wu-Tang show back in the days. And I would always see a Nas there. A Big there. A Mobb D. And it was like, I haven't seen that support from other artists since y'all. Right. Yeah, that's dope.

That shit is dope. And they just be fucking with us. And it be like niggas who don't even do this type of music sometimes. You know what I'm saying? So this Griselda shit, like you said, it make niggas want fucking with us. And it be like niggas who don't even do this type of music sometimes. Word. You know what I'm saying? So this Griselda shit, like you said, it make niggas want to rap. Yeah. Who don't even do this type of shit?

It make niggas want to rap. The niggas who feel like they retired. The niggas who, the young niggas. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what the fuck it is, man. You know what I'm saying? Because you're doing shit that a lot of artists wish they could do and still make a penny off of. They couldn't imagine it, you know? You're good at it, though.

Yeah, yeah. Extraordinarily good at it. I'm damn good at it.. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm extraordinarily good at it. I'm damn good at it. You know what I'm saying? I'm damn good at it. You know what I mean? But sometimes it's just like for me being here, I've been good at this shit

for years though. That's what I've been trying to tell people. Like me and Con, we really been them niggas. So it's like, damn, it took more than being good

at this shit. When you're independent, it take more than being good at this shit. It's like, it's crazy. This is your this shit. When you're independent, it takes more than being good at this shit. It's crazy. This is your time. This is your time to show. Let's get some of that Deleon.

Deleon, you going to mix it up like that? Are you ready? All right, cool. Hold on. I got one more question. We're going to do quick time. It's a lie. Oh, shit.

I like Deleon. Get him. Get him the bottom. Deleon, hell yeah. Get Deleon. Okay. What the fuck is up with you and Freddie Gibbs, man? I thought y'all was homies.

Y'all went on tour and all this shit. Really, ain't nothing up, you know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't get too,

like, into, like, rap relationships with niggas, you know what I'm saying? Because a lot of times it don't be real.

You feel what I'm saying? And so, like, I guess that nigga put a tweet up of some weird shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I wouldn't know why he did that shit. Because y'all was homies, right? That's what I thought.

You know what I mean? Is this your first time going through, like, industry crazy shit? It's going to happen more and more. No, but it's the first time going through like industry crazy shit? It's gonna happen more and more. No, but it's the first time because even if a person do something, that made me look weird. Because like you said, like, yo, I thought that was you. You know what I mean? People asking me, like, I don't know. I can't tell you.

You know what I'm saying? So was nothing that led up to that? It was like no argument? I can't think. I promise I couldn't. I don't know. So me, I don't even care to ponder when I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

You know, this shit get crazy because if you start letting your feelings in this shit, that's one thing that I know from being older getting to this shit. I cannot let my feelings in this shit. You know what I mean? But that's one thing that I know from being older, getting to this shit. I cannot let my feelings in this shit because niggas will break my heart. You know what I mean?

Real shit. You know what I did? This is going to sound real fucked up. But how I started to move with the industry is I expect niggas to be corny. Like I put it, I expect people to be I don't expect them to be me so i stopped having expectations and that's just saved my life almost because it was certain artists that would

fuck with me then i'm hot then they around me a little more and then you know i got cold everyone hot and cold sometimes and then coldness niggas won't even answer my calls so i just say you know what i'm gonna stay the same. Exactly. I don't expect anybody else. I don't expect anybody else. And you got that select few who you're going to meet. Like, okay, this nigga like me. You know what I'm saying?

Like X. Exactly. When you met X, that's a genuine dude. Real shit. And sometimes it might not be your favorite. Or it might not be the person you make good music with. Or it might not be the person with. You know what I'm saying?

It might just be a person. I mean, you know how this shit goes. I know. Oh, I know Oh, I know that's more valuable than no mean But like you said earlier It's relationship like what I said with her of God II well of God he was doing to me when he was telling me not to Celebrate was not to have these expectations that I had he wanted like he like the retrospect I do understand what he was saying. It just wasn't that day to say I think I think that's what people trying to be like

Be trying to tell me. Yeah, don't have the expectations, but that's what I'm saying. It's like people don't know what I expect. You know what I mean? Do I expect them to motherfucking have me

performing at the Super Bowl? No, but hell yeah at the same time. You know what I'm saying? But it's like, I'm going to still do my part. I could never slack and feel like somebody

is going to do all the work for me. You know what I mean? Well, it's a great label. I really want to see what they do with you, but listen, we're going to move on. Come on. This is a game that we play. Let's give them his roses, man.

Oh, let's give them his roses. Come on. Where's the flowers at? Where's the flowers at? Where's the flowers at? We're going to set it up and not have it in our front. No, it's a new one, man. It's a new one.

It's a new one. We don't know if you know our show is about giving niggas they flowers now. Let me stop saying that. I was just thinking about that. But about giving folks they flowers now. Mm-hmm. And we want you to know to your face, face to face, man

to man, you a bad motherfucker out there stomping monkey foot in these motherfuckers in they face. Billy the Bunchy. Hey! I appreciate that, man. And we got your back. So this is my Japanese deli on. I appreciate that, man. And we got your back. So this is my Japanese Deleon I got to the side right here.

Okay, that's some special edition shit. Yeah, it's a Japanese Deleon, you know what I'm saying? So, damn, Mr. Bleeker, you open this? This doesn't look like a... It looks like it's about to get drinking for real. Okay, okay. First one. So this is how... You want to explain the rules? Because you like I'm explaining it better.

We don't like politically correct answers. So if you act politically correct, you answer that way. You drink and we drink and we all drink it. So it's one or the other. But if you say both or neither, we drinking. All of us. We don't leave you outside by yourself. But it's shots though, sir. So we're going to get you the Deleon ready.

We got the American Deleon. You got some Mahuana. You're welcome to some Mahuana. I'm going to get some Deleon. I'm Deleon. I know that y'all niggas get me in trouble. No, no, no. We need you to win. Don't worry. We were on your side still. We need you to win. But we're going to get you drunk, though, a little bit.

J. Cole or Kendrick? Cole. Really? I thought you were going to say both. I can Kendrick? Cole. Really? I thought you were going to say both. I can't lie to you. Biggie Smalls or Big Al? Smalls. I would say that too.

Kane or Rakim? Take a drink, sir. Let him think about it, man. Nah, nigga. You actually called a Kendrick. That was the hardest one so far. That was you actually call the Kendrick that was the hardest one so that was the hardest one so far but uh, I Gotta go. I gotta go rock him That's the verses that everyone really wanted to see rock him and came I wanted to see that shit you wanted to see that I see that shit. You know I'm saying I wanted to see it rock him both of them

They can still had a Kane was dancing and shit. Yeah. He didn't do a split, though. Nah, he didn't do that split, dude. Spoke to Kane the other day. OK, um, Meek Mill or Phat? Then you know them both my niggas. I mean, you get to drink.

Yeah, there you go. There you go, there you go. There you go, sir. OK. All right. And y'all you go. There you go, sir. That's good. Man. And y'all drink that Mama Weezy over there. Yeah, that's... I'm going to drink to that.

Those are both my niggas. I respect that. You understand? I respect that. Yo, that top one with Deleon is very nice. It's very nice. Black on. Black on.

Salud. Salud. Salud. Cheers, man. Salud. Get the tap. Japanese deli on. What's your, no. Rick James or Prince? Rick motherfucking James.

Rick James, bitch. People go blowin' him out. Y'all be here for Rick and up. He made cocaine good, too. Yo, Rick is that nigga, man. Rick is that nigga. I named the song after Rick, man, on my Tenantalk 3, but Rick that nigga.

We got to do the memorial of that nigga or something. Real shit, man. Push your teeth or Jada Kiss? Kiss. I knew you was going to say that that how you know I was gonna say that it felt like it felt like oh like I don't know I want to come on ask about push your teeth later NWA or Wu Tang clan Wu Tang clan Wu-Tang Clan. Except that's way too fast. Yeah, because I'm just being, I'm naming the niggas who I got personal relationships with.

Okay. You know what I mean? I'm a hack. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. I'm with that. That's it. I'm with that.

I got one. Coogee Rap or Prodigy? Take a shot to that. Sheesh. I'm going to get mine ready. You got to take a shot to that. That motherfucker, that song raised me. Now on murder music, my goodness.

Played that shit a million times. I took a shot already, you know? Oh no, I didn't. I'm sorry. I'm going to get your shit. I ain't going to hold you. I do this shit every night. All right, cool, cool.

Well, salute my brother. Salute my brother. How you keeping that ace cold like that? You're a legend. That shit staying cold. That shit every night. All right, cool, cool. Well, salute, my brother. Cheers. Salute, my brother. How you keep that ace cold like that? You're a legend. That shit staying cold. I don't even know how I can do that. Bottle still sweating.

OK. A Japanese tele-yonicivian. Roll me a can. Drake or Lil Wayne? Drake or Lil Wayne. I'm going to say Wayne. I just did the other shit, then I picked Drake. I'm going to say Wayne. You want that Drake verse to clear.

You're going to say Drake. I said Drake last time. Oh, you said Drake? Yeah, I said him last time. You know what I mean? Okay. That's hard. I respect that.

Queen Latifah or MC Lyte? Lyte. Lyte. Lyte. Lyte is a rock. My pops used to play that shit. Johnny P's caddy used to play that shit in that caddy all the time. That Lyte is a rock shit. Lyte is a rock. French Montana or Rick Ross?

Feels like we taking a shot! We taking a shot. Where the Deleon go? Oh, it's her again. Rose, my nigga, I seen Rose last night. Shout out to Ross. I got the Japanese Deleon, baby. I got to stop taking these big shots.

Yeah, you wildin'. It's a long game, buddy. My shit got slimmer this time. All right, we ready? Here, here, here, here. Boom, boom. Okay. Jordan or LeBron? All right ready Okay, Jordan LeBron fucking King James I Can see them I can see that I'm going with personal relationships Hey go live

LeBron is like the new A&R. LeBronio. He a real nigga. He know what he be doing when he be doing that. Yo, yo, listen. When he bumping your shit in the whip, that was like the ultimate co-sign. If LeBron, LeBron never brought none of my shit.

No, he did. He did homeboy. Homeboy, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was when he was in college. He wasn't LeBron, yo. He wasn't LeBron yet. I wasn't LeBron in the back. But if LeBron bothered your shit, that's like, you know what's crazy? And listen, I big up to Lobos,

my people's mad car, and this is being honest. It almost feels like when LeBron bumps your shit, five mics. You remember how, like if you was to get four mics, five mics. Because of the standard that he's on. People would automatically just go and bumps your shit, five mics. You remember how, like, if you was to get four mics, five mics...

Because of the standard that he's older. People would automatically just go and get your shit. Like, I know for a fact we went gold over just mics. Right. And it obviously actually had to be good. But I feel like LeBron has took over that position. Like, hell yeah, because last time when he did that shit, my shit was trending.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Let's make some noise for LeBron. And you know why? You know why? And this is probably's make some noise for LeBron. And you know why? You know why? And this is probably the reason I shouldn't big it up. But he be letting the curse words play and all that. He'll get fucked.

Yeah, you be thinking how big he is. He won't keep on. No, but ain't it crazy watching the show, the barbershop show they got? Yeah. Watching the football, basketball, and they just cuss like a motherfucker. Yeah, I like that. That shit be crazy as hell. I like that.

They talk they shit on that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah shit be crazy as hell. I like that. They talk they shit on that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, yeah, I definitely do. Undisputed is called, right? Undisputed. Undisputed. So we got that up. Go.

Hmm. You got one for me. Get your shot ready. We got one for me. Carl? Or Westside? I got one. By the way, don't make up these questions.

These two crazy motherfuckers like that make up these questions. Come on, man. You got to take a shot. This is definitely set up time. We are definitely, I'm sorry, sir. I should have dodged a couple of them other shit. You know what I mean? Yes, I am.

Come on, fuck it. I need you to answer. This is because you take a shot to it. You know what I mean? Them niggas are the reason I'm right here, man. That's fire'm just gonna take a shot to it. You know? You know what I mean? Them niggas are the reason I'm right here, man. That's fire, man. That's real.

That's fire. Dale. Come on, y'all know nobody back there with none of this shit? Cheers. Salud. Oh. Yeah, y'all should be drinking with us, man.

Real shit. Salud. Salud. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tupac or DMX? X. Because you met him? Definitely because I met him and because it's more, you know, he was my era.

You know what I'm saying? Of course I felt Pac. I was 12 when Pac passed away. era, you know what I'm saying? Of course I felt Pac. I was 12 when Pac passed away. Right. You feel what I'm saying? I remember, like, even before I met X, I'm a motherfucker, like I told you. I told him that. They was at a pool hall in Buffalo before.

Right. We went up there. I rapped on the nigga Jap. He was with Jap. I rapped on his motherfucking answering machine and shit for X. So it was like, it was my era, you know what I mean? But by the way. Belly all that shit. I don't think I've ever seen DMX co-sign another artist, period. Like the way he fuck with y'all.

I haven't seen that period besides drag on. Yeah? Yeah, well, X don't like nobody. Yeah, he don't. He don't. He want that to be known. Yeah. Like that day, and I said, I got a video to put to. He sincerely liked you.

He was sincerely liked all of y'all. He was a real fan. And I think that was the first time I got to hear the record with all of y'all on the verse together. Yeah, he played me

that new shit. He played us some crazy shit. Played us a shit with Bono. You know what was crazy? That place that we met at, DMX will have a heat there.

You don't give a fuck about it? He just wants us to hang out in the parking lot. You got to know what shit is this. We got to go back there. We got to go back there. You know what's cool? You seen on, if you listen to my album, I start off one of the songs. With the karaoke? You need the karaoke? I'm going to point and get cool on my way. Come on.

We ain't talking about shit. We outside, yo. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I my way. Come on, man. We outside, yo. Yeah, yeah. I ain't gonna lie, yo. That was dope. To get to see that moment of you and X just smacking five and just hugging each other

because, again, like I said, and X was one of those guys that he... I don't think I've ever heard X tell a lie Like he Obviously he had no reason to lie to me But I can't say that about a lot of people Right

You know what I'm saying Like he was really like a heaven sent person And For him to co-sign And for him to be open Like he was open meeting you Like if you could go look at my Instagram Look at that footage

And I was like damn He pulled up He was like behind the wheel I don't get a call him at all he has no license neither do I I'm gonna license me too that's the same she drives like he got government-issued yeah I'm yeah I'm going back I'll get for how slow the police are going. I ain't passing the police. Me neither. I'm saying that shit.

I've been telling my girl, I'm saying that shit with people with a license do. Yeah. None of that shit. You don't got no license. And I'm burning all the time anyway. All the motherfucking time? Yeah, I'm burning all the time.

I'm disrespecting my car. I'm sorry, car. Stop telling on yourself, my man. I'm sorry, car. You got to smoke in your own shit. Hey, man, pick up some of my friend Diego. He don't smoke in his own car. He got us relaxed.

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It's the only part of the show. I don't got nothing to do with it. All I do is ask the questions. These two motherfuckers, they study you and then they make up the questions as you go. Man, you know, Al, I came into shit with Al. Right. And Derringer.

You know what I'm saying? Me and Hip Boy, we got a moment in time, a moment in my career. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I could. You going to hit that Japanese deli on? Right, exactly.

Okay, let's go. I can't choose. Okay, yeah. So hit the y'all with y'all. Those my niggas, I can't choose. Nah, that's what's up. That's why these evil motherfuckers make these questions. How many of these shits left?

Yeah, I don't know. This is what's up. Oh, shit. No, no, no. Okay. Ooh, it's getting good. It's getting worse. Ooh.

This is easy for me. I don't know everything. For you, L-matic or reasonable doubt? Hmm. Reasonable. Wow. Reasonable doubt? Mm-hmm.

Because, Like I said My era My favorite Nas album is By the time I was Listening to music And digesting the music And people Going to disagree with me

When they see this shit It's Hip-hop is dead? Nah It was real? It's I Am You know what I'm saying? Oh the one

Where he got the Yeah yeah That's when Not Queensbury He's African now That's when I'm Digesting music the right way I'm like 14 years old

You know what I'm saying? So it's like okay You know what I mean? You know I had I'm like 14 years old. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, okay, you know what I mean? I had to go back and listen to that. You know what I mean? You know what? And I told this to him the other day. I didn't like Reasonable Doubt. And obviously, I went back and studied it.

And I love it now. It's a classic now. But I told this to the other day. And he goes, you always say that on the podcast. I say it on here a lot. I was a broke nigga for a reason without getting out. I couldn't really relate to all that fly shit. Like, come on.

He made niggas feel bad about having a 4.0. Where in life... No real shit. ...is a Range Rover or a sucker car? Where in life a 500 is a Range Rover or a sucker car. Where in life a 500 is a sucker car. That's how much he was talking that money talk back then. Talking about he wearing the platinum

shit. Yeah. Platinum when he thought it was gold. Yeah. That was the first couple of albums that he was driving. I couldn't relate to that. Couldn't relate to what does he say? Some of that shit. 4.0, get your change.

What? I want my change. What the fuck you mean? Yeah, man. He had to make niggas stop wearing jerseys. I remember I used to play my radio and hear that shit on a mix show on the weekends, like going to bed, going to church the next morning,

hearing it on a Saturday night mix show. Not in jail? No, in Buffalo as a kid. You know what I in jail? No, in Buffalo, as a kid. You know what I'm saying? Well, you just subscribed to it, it sounded great. Hell no, hell no. All right.

KRS or LL? LL. But this is, you know what I'm saying, like I said, that's before my time, but I heard, and from what I've seen, that LL never lost a battle. Not saying KRS-One ever lost one, but... Not only that, you ever been to an LL show?

I never been. Like, you can't bring your girl there, you'd be offended. Niggas handing out roses and shit, talking about, I need love. Nigga, what you doing? What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? I never actually brought my girls to an LL concert, just in case y'all don't know. But I've been to an LL concert.

And I was just mad. Like, what the fuck? In the middle of his show, he take off his shirt, and he gives every girl roses. Like, if you want your girl, nigga, to give you roses with his shirt off, it's not cool, Mr. LL. Nah, she can't reach for one.

She can't reach for one. By the way, let me just... I don't know if I'm supposed to say this. LL got me out of retirement. LL got me to perform. I'm performing for LL August 20th. That's crazy.

In Queens. He called me himself. Damn. By the way, I also invited Drink Champs there as well. I shouldn't be telling you all the answers. You're telling me all the answers. You can't take, like, there's certain niggas you just can't say no to. He called and said, I know you ain't performing no more. I know you're doing some other shit, but I would like to have you perform Drink Chance backstage and Juicy Juice Bar.

And I just said yes without confining you. You know, I'm partners with Rock the Bills on Coming Home with the documentary. You ain't had to floss on us like that. Okay, I like that. So yeah, we need to have KRS-One back on here. We protected them need to have care rest one back on here we protected him yeah we need to go back on here if your stand was going crazy i kept trying to change the subject yeah it was still trying to battle that's your pictures like this is wild I was talking crazy Two different kinds of coffee It was hilarious by the way Holy shit

Scarface or Ice Cube You can't answer this Oh yes you can I know who you're gonna say I'd say Cube I'm gonna go face I'm gonna go face You know what I'm saying

I remember Relationship wise I just I just remember like That Ghetto Boyz tape I'm going to go face. I'm going to go face. You know what I'm saying? I remember. Relationship-wise? I just remember, like, that Ghetto Boyz tape. I remember having it dubbed. You know what I mean? You have a mess on your face? I did.

I can't remember. I mean, I kicked it with him over the phone a couple times, but I don't think I ever met him in person. A record with y'all two would be crazy. Yeah. No, real shit. We got a record with the Mechanics. You know what I'm saying? They got the record,

but hell yeah. Jim Kelly or Josh Allen? Jim motherfucking Kelly. I'm a real Bills fan. You know what I'm saying? I love Josh Allen. Josh Allen is that nigga. But Jim Kelly is,

you know what I'm saying? Come on. Real shit. Come on. Okay, Primo or P-Rock? Primo. P-Rock, you know he that nigga too.

I got some of my best shit over with Rock. See, I got to keep remembering when a person makes a guess, I got to keep a straight face because niggas be getting mad at me. No.

I'd be like, word up. They'd be like, word, you had to say that? I mean, I'm definitely fucking P-Rock. In one of my shits,

I said, got classics with P-Rock, you got to seal smoothly. You know what I'm? I mean, I'm definitely trying to keep it straight. In one of my shits, I said, got classics with Pete Rock. You got to see it smoothly. You know what I'm saying? So, definitely. Little Baby or Young Thug? Damn. Little Baby or Thugger.

I'll take a drink. All right, that's what I'm talking about. Same. You know, I like how they both carry it. I like them both. Do niggas play this game as honest as me? I'm not sure, sir. It's a mick, right?

Some, some, some. I think Game played it pretty honest. Salud. Salud. He was pretty honest. Salud, cheers, cheers, cheers. Alicia Keys was honest. Yeah, she, cheers. Alicia Keys was honest. Yeah, she was. Yeah, he was honest.

There was a couple of, you know, Sifu Yaros out there. You drank a lot, though. If you were Sifu Yaros, you're going to drink a lot. You're going to drink a lot if you were Sifu Yaros. Okay, this is where I like the game. M, O, P, or Mop D? I got to go with the Mop.

Barely. I would have had to take a shot to that. I got to go with the Mop. I'm just saying it's like... And you had a great relationship with Prodigy. Yeah, yeah. Prodigy also co-signed you guys. He did. He did. The niggas was drinking

brews with P. So it was like, I'll fuck with P. I know he reached out to Conway, you know what I'm saying? He knew who Conway was, even though Conway ain't even think that nigga knew. And like I said, that was the first tape I ever bought. My name was Murder Music shit, yo. Wow. Not even the Infamous, Murder Music.

That's like the third album, right? What is it? No, no, no, no, no, because it's Infamous. Summer of 99. I'm gonna point like that, right? What is it? Yeah. No, no, no, no. Summer of 99. I'm on point like that, bro? Okay. Summer of 99. You know what I'm saying? I'm on point, but I'm going to stay. That's the type of nigga I am.

You know that one year when you jump off the porch? Yeah. That was that year. Summer of 99. Let me tell you something. And I say this all the time on the show.

I went to a Mobb Deep show. This is when I came home from jail. I still smell like Core Craft soap. You know when you just come home. You just, you gotta figure out the aura. You just got me thinking

about that white Codcraft soap. That soap. God damn. I'm sorry. I should definitely do this. I went too far. I went too far.

But anyway, so I remember going to a mob deep show. A friend of mine, his name's Carlos from the Don, Queensbridge. And he said, I want to show you

what this shit is like. He didn't even know I was a rapper at the time. And this was a show at the Palladio. Marv Deep had shook ones and I think Survivor or the Hitters.

And Nas drove through. And everyone from Queensbridge just opened up. It was like 80 niggas. And Nas drove through and everyone from Queensbridge just opened up. It was like 80 niggas and I drove through an Alexis G-100 and he leaned out the window and said,

Queensbridge and the whole block lit up full of Queensbridge niggas and I did not know what that was but I said, I want that. At that very moment I knew knew I was gonna be a rapper

because of what that night was seeing Nas and Mav deep. So when you say that, I understand. I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. Kanye West or Pharrell? I'ma go Ye? I'm going to go Ye. I'm going to go Ye.

Podcasts or radio? Podcasts. Outkast or UGK? UGK. I can see that. Because of the attitude, the sauce. You know what I'm saying I can see that Because of the You know the

The attitude The sauce You know what I'm saying This next one They definitely set you up Oh my goodness The every missile Only built for Cuban links

You cannot pick one God damn You can't I ain't gonna lie You cannot I don't even want you to pick one You gotta pick one Come on

You know what I mean Yes cause Those I can't even want you to pick not you gotta think Yes Listen I can't I can't pick between those two albums that is definitely a setup. This is a demon wanna fuck Cheers Cheers. Cheers. Salud. There's only a couple more and we're going to get about it. Come on.

They really trying to set you up, bro. I promise you this does not come from me at all. Who doing this? Mr. Lee, yeah. But by the way,

they study you in order to make these questions. Right, right, right, right. Baldy, James, or Stove, Gar, Coke? Mmm. Mmm. Listen, by the way, I think it's over there like, shot. I think it's like, shot.

By the way, I'm already drunk, so I'm still part of the game. You drinking? I'm drunk too, but you know what I'm saying? Let's go, let's go. Shout out BoJack, shout out Stole God. Yeah. What's going on? I want to ask about Stole God.

Shout out Armani. Armani right there. I got Armani here. 38 Specials. Oh, that's, oh, Jesus. 38 Specials with us, too. I ain't going around. I'm supposed to be on point.

I got 38 Specials, damn, nigga. I got to lose my hip hop car for one day. You got to take it from me. Because I was on rock at one point. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Oh, shit, I didn't take the shot. I didn't try to get in. Drink it up.

Drink it up. You're on TV Raps or Video Music Box? Video Music Box. You don't have to explain if you don't want to, unless you want to. No, shit. Remember watching that shit? Never, never.

No, real shit. just playing whatever they played. Do, do, do, do, do. Y'all remember that shit? I'm the only old nigga in here. What's up, y'all? I'm all right, y'all. I'm all right. Do, do, do, do, do.

I remember that. That was how it came on. The word? Yeah. I was like, that's what I'm saying. I was like a kid watching that shit. That's one of my earliest memories of that shit. You didn't see the documentary?

Mm-mm. Oh. I finally got to see a shit. Oh And you said Cypress Hill got a documentary? But I see the previews for it and they said the nigga who was responsible for I'm like, oh shit I know he did that shit. Nah, but that's the reason why you gotta watch it To see Nas go back to being a fan and he's actually entered he's actually Interviewing Ralph.

He's following Ralph around to see this rich motherfucker humble himself. Right, right, right. That shit is very good to see. You know what I'm saying?

It's very, very, very good to see. Juice or New Jack City? Juice. Juice. You know what I'm saying? That was that shit. The Baby or 21 Savage?

21. 21, 21, 21. 21. I vote for 21. And this is the last one. This must be a good one. I want to say this is a trick question, but it really is not. This is a good one. It really is not. Loyalty or respect?

Respect. Respect. Everyone explains this one. You know what I'm saying? It's like, sometimes I might not even need you to be loyal to me, but I'm going to need you to respect me. You feel what I'm saying? Right. It's like those who give their loyalty, I accept it. I'm not going to force no loyalty. If there's only respect there, I take that. You know what I'm saying?

Right. Right. As simple as that. Yeah. We always say that that's the only the real time to take a shot because we just feel like respect can't live

without loyalty. Loyalty can't live without respect. Like it is, it's really, they really go hand in hand. You know what I'm saying? But,

you know what I'm saying? If I had to pick one, like you, you got to respect my shit because you know, so, so, so much come with respect.

You know what I'm saying? Right. I respect that. You know, answering these questions and you talking about the age that you were at and generationally,

like, how did y'all craft the sound that sounds so nostalgic to us? Right. Like, how'd y'all craft that sound?

It's still new. No, it makes brand new. You made it yourself. Bless you. Made it your own and completely reintroduced it to the world.

man, the foundation. Excuse me. Bless you. The foundation of Weston Derringer built. Right. Niggas recording at Derringer House in North Buffalo. You know what I'm saying?

And I went over there early, early before the shady deal. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, me and Special was doing our own thing when they was doing the Griselda thing. I always thought 38 Spesh was G-Rap's son. I don't know why. Cause he had the, cause he got the shit. You know what I mean? Son of G-Rap.

He got the album, Son of G-Rap. Jesus, 38 Spesh, you got me. You got me. But it's like me, it means son of gangsta rap. You know what I'm saying? That's what that shit mean.

Wow. But, motherfucking, I fuck with niggas like Speshen and the other upstate niggas because that's where that pressure come from. Everybody keep niggas sharp in the boot. Right. Yeah, because that's like an ill scenario that y'all got going on. It feels like y'all holding the color down, especially with Stove. He was

down with Busta. I'm guessing it didn't work out or whatever. What made you guys embrace him? I think Wes is Griselda Records, so Wes is going to seek the talent for his label.

So Stove is with Griselda? I didn't know that. To be honest with you, I think he is, but I can't be all the way sure. I think he's getting too much money, man. Right, but even if he... I'm talking about paperwork-wise. Okay, it's family. It's family. Yeah, it's family. You know what I'm saying? You see him on my album, and whatever he needs from me, you know what I'm saying? So to me, he's Griselda. Right. But, it's like,

it's our own, it's our own shit, like I was saying earlier. And, that's what we gonna do, you know what I mean? And I think Wes saw him out, because he felt like

he kind of fit this cloth, and, same thing. I'm like everybody else. I didn't just, I didn't just listen to it, and just was hooked off of it. I heard it a couple times,

I'm like, yo, this nigga got it. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? So, got the major deal. Conway signed to Shady. Threw out a project on Shady.

What's next? What's next? Man, I think, I think like, what we already been doing, but pushing the envelope further. You hear how you hear Conway brought his shit on his album. You're going to hear that from me. You're going to hear it in a bigger way. We about to do, of course, we're going to do another album together, but with Shinglin too.

Shit, we doing movies. You know what I'm saying? I'm doing this movie that I got in the works. You know what I'm saying? I keep some shit up my sleeve. And you know, we just gonna do everything, real shit. Conway got drum work. Wes, he doing what he doing.

And I'ma keep my foot on a nigga's neck. And I'ma, You know what I mean? Like, with the Def Jam shit, it's like, I want to, my shit got to be... And it's Griselda Def Jam? Yes, yes, yes, yes. You know what I'm saying? Everything is Griselda. It's going to always be Griselda.

You know what I mean? But it's like, my shit is to catch levels. It's to take new levels. And I feel like Def Jam was the only way I could. You know what I mean? Did the Griselda family ever holler at you? We know the son. Yeah, we talked about it on here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know. And I try to not connect. Well, I connected Conway with Michael. Michael Crelian. Griselda's son. A word. Yeah, and we had Freeway Ricky And Michael on here That's my homie

Michael's my homie Oh that's dope And he was all for it He just wanted to have The conversation Cause you know That was his mom's And so he's like

Yo I love what they doing A word You know I just want to Have the conversation with them So they know you know That's my family And I take it serious And I did connect Conway

I don't know if they spoke But I connected them That's fire Yeah for real I talked to him And he a good dude He a hip hop guy He's a hip hop. I talked to him. He a good dude. He a hip-hop guy.

He's a hip-hop guy. Yeah. I talked to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a hip-hop guy. Because, you know what's crazy? I never met Griselda, obviously. But that's when the cocaine prices was lowest in New York City. Because that's what I said.

I'm like, damn, she was a queen. She was. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You let me finish. I was like, oh, go there. Yeah. You threw me down. I knew my shit. I knew my shit. I should have told him to come by today. I was like, oh, go there. Yeah. I was going to go there. You threw me down.

I knew my shit. I knew my shit. I shouldn't have told him to come by today. I shouldn't have told him. I didn't even think about it. I told him that, too. And that's why I say that, to say that, because, you know, that's really his mom. So, like, that's like fire.

And he's the last living, because the brothers all got killed. That's how real that shit is out there. You know, he got stories of how he's had bodyguards around him because- No, he came, remember he came to the off, he came with, that shit was crazy. Yeah, that shit was crazy. And he's the last living son, you know, so. Yeah. Yeah.

Nah, yeah, I kick it with bro. Nah, he a good dude, good dude, solid ass dude. Yeah, that shit is it. So, oh man. You guys toured overseas yet? No, we going though. We going motherfucking in the April, top of May. I'm going over there.

That shit going to be crazy. That shit going to be crazy. I'm going to tell you, I was filming a documentary in South Africa. This was like three years ago. It hasn't come out yet, the film. The thing I did with Rock the Bells and we went to this underground station in Johannesburg

first thing they play in is Griselda nah real shit they fuck with us at SA hardcore you know what I'm saying real shit in South Africa

that's what they call it they call it SA you know what I'm saying I know cause that's how they fuck with us I like it I like it that's true

I was surprised to hear it that they was up on it like that you know nah yo that that is I was surprised to hear it, that they was up on it like that, you know? Nah, yo. That is, when you want to relax and just get that overseas money, it's the best thing. That made me, that's the only thing I miss about being in like a component of the NBA. I got the dates booked.

Tickets selling, I never got a passport yet. Mr. Lee got you, he does passports. I posted one today. He does them on his balcony. You know, I posted one today, I got the dates book ticket selling. I never got a passport. So he got you he does Today I came to fuck with y'all he gave Kanye his past and the game It might be a Dominican passport. Yeah, I'm not lying. She don't want it. A classical passport. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get a Gavis passport too? Or just card yet? Just card, yeah, yeah.

We'll get you a Dominican passport. I need one. You know sometimes when I think I'm Dominican sometimes, the sideburns and shit. You know what I mean? Sometimes. You get that too, huh? Sometimes when I think I'm Dominican sometimes the sideburns and shit You get that too long Holy moly quack-a-moley man, so Obviously, I'm not gonna tell you who but they feel

That you might not think Pusha T is real. Mmm. I don't know who's in this. That's crazy. They ain't tell me who's in it, but I think they said maybe. They said your credibility as a hustler

as in when he thinks other rappers are not real like Pusha. Yeah. I can't, I really can't speak on, you know what I'm saying, no other niggas, but I fuck with Push. Right. I fuck with Push.

I fuck with, I fuck with like all the, everybody who represent that cocaine lane. Cocaine street shit. You know what I mean? Like I, it's the streets really, you know what I'm saying? People call it cocaine rap, but it's really the streets. But I fuck with Push. Right. I don't know, you know what I mean? I don't know why nobody would say that.

His Arby's commercial is crazy. I seen that. I seen that. I fuck with Push like everybody in the lane, you know what I mean? I got more notes, nigga. I'm gonna do it. Go ahead, go ahead. So also- You can ask me anything. Yeah, also you got a notes, nigga. I'm going to do it. Go ahead, go ahead. So also... You can ask me anything.

Yeah, also, you got a song with Russ. Right. Russ a good guy. Yeah, Russ a great guy. Drink Champs alumni. Yo, Russ a good guy. I do say something about this.

Go ahead. I do say something about Russ. And this is... We had him on Drink Champs. He has no in-between fans. It's either they love the shit out of us

or they hate the shit out of us. I caught that from working with him. Some people was talking shit about it but motherfuckers

loved me for it at the same time. Man, I think a lot of artists got that. You ain't just have a group of motherfuckers who hate you. It's the internet going on now. Motherfuckers who hate you. We're like, it's the internet going on now.

It's like, motherfuckers who hate you, they get on there and tell you, like, yo, we don't like you. Yeah, I block the shit out of niggas. I ain't going to lie. I feel like that's how Dream Champs view us. I'm a black button. Seriously. They love us. I ain't going to lie to you. I'm a black button.

You got to block me on the street. Ice-T taught us that. He was the one that really advocated. Just block the motherfucker. No, you got to block niggas when they come to your space when they come to your page talking shit You don't want to look at that shit get the fuck out of me and I blocked them art niggas to Anybody want logos no Sometimes when a nigga, any niggas who promote on my page. Those are the worst. Those are bots, though.

You can't block the bots. Niggas know me. Like in Buffalo, on Facebook, I'm notorious for arguing back with niggas. You can't be doing that. We gotta get you to stop. Nah, I'm arguing back.

Nah. Let's describe. Let's describe. You said on Facebook? Yeah. By the way, they definitely going to bar him.

He said Facebook. Nah, for real. So, let's describe what happened. Someone just hits you and says, Benny, what up? Now, you know what?

Because look, not everything, but the personal shade. Yeah. The personal shade. you don't look like a petty nigga. No, I'm not a petty nigga,

but I get petty. I'm very petty. Nah, I'm not a petty nigga, I get petty. That's what I'm saying. I get petty. You can be petty, but you're not. The person So somebody went up there, you know, it was like yo, it was like your penny really that nigga is another nigga put up there It's like man. I really don't fuck with that nigga. It was like it's Conway for me and uh, you know And they said is on your page Yeah, they have an argument on your page and he's like it's kind of he's like he was trying to wait for me and uh that nigga benny said something on the interview but but it was something that was said but i didn't say it but in my head it's like it's personal because you you made up your mind that i said it i didn't even say this shit so i was like yo That is the definition of petty. I'm gonna be real. I'm real petty. That's what I said, I can get petty.

I can get real petty. You kinda like that. I can get petty, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what they don't know. They don't like that. They don't like that, like damn, like nigga, you too, ain't you too busy to hit me back?

No, I'm not. I might be on my way to a million dollar meeting, but I'm petty on the way. Leave me the fuck alone. I got one super hater. This nigga make an account for me every month. And I know it because he dyslexic like me, so I can see it. I can see the fucking fucked up nature.

You relate to him. I relate to him. He always say something like, that just happened on Drink Champs. Like, he'll be like, yeah, so you didn't say that to Alicia Keys. And I'm like, what? Like, what is that guy gonna do? What is that guy gonna do with nothing? But I block him, and you didn't say that to Alicia Keys. And I'm like, what? What is that going to do?

What is that going to do with nothing? But I block him. And I feel like we got to understand. And it keeps popping up. And you know what's up. I feel like we got to understand that. I feel like we got to understand that. But what I do, though, what my shit is this new year is to try to pay attention to more of the love than the hate.

And I've been working on that. I'm not perfect, though. I've been working on that, though. Look what you just said. attention to more of the love than the hate. And I've been working on that. I'm not perfect, though. I've been working on that, though. You said that one dude said, Vinny's the shit, and another dude answered and said, Vinny's not the shit. And you answered the nigga that was so violent.

You're supposed to holler at the y'all and say, thank you, my man. I feel sorry for the haters. I feel sorry for them. If they got the time to sit down and comment some bullshit, what kind of life do they have? Like I said, only when they try to take personal shots That was like that was like What kind of like do they like I said only when they try to take personal shots at you know I'm saying What we got going on even if they don't know you personally, it's not personal Let me just any trolling they trying to get you to answer back. So you've given them what they want, right? That's really what it is. Listen. I'm just being real. Like we said we have already discussed this I could get petty

Right. So sometimes I might do that on purpose. Now you got 100 fans who riot with me, and I don't even got to do nothing. Right. I'm just being real. Like, this petty shit get deep. Like, Kanye is probably the pettiest nigga I met. Pettier than you?

He got me beat. That nigga called him Skeet and made his... He made a... What is it? A claymation of... Yo, did you not see? That's what I said. I was listening to it.

I'm like... I caught another diss to that nigga. I'm like, damn, he got shots throwing at this nigga. He got subs. He got shit.

Killing subs. Yo, listen. I don't know who screenshotted this shit, but he had put up a post that Kanye's so powerful, his every comment was skink, skink, skink, skink, skink, skink, skink, skink, skink, skink.

I looked, I said, this is fucking crazy. I don't even know if I would abuse my power. I ain't gonna lie, because that shit is nuts. By the way, we learned this by dealing with Kanye. He don't have to promote nothing. He can just say, I'm there, and then the shit is there.

Do you imagine how a Pete Davidson concert looks right now? He can just... I remember 50 said, I bought the first three rolls of Ja Rule's show. Yeah, I remember that. That shit was crazy. That was like ill to me. I was like, fuck real. I would have never even thought of that. You can't even buy that many tickets. I'd be trying to buy six tickets at a time and I'd be just tucked.

How does he buy the first three rolls? I would imagine. And Kanye, he can just say, Ski. Let's go to Ski Show. As soon as he grabbed the mic, you bitch ass now. His fans are loyal. Real shit, they love Ye.

They love Ye. I think the documentary brought him even closer to Ye. You feel what I'm saying? Did you see all three parts? I did. Yeah, it makes you understand. You see all three. Because me.

I'm going to be honest with you this shit to me is like moving poetry you know what I'm saying I'm a real student of this shit you killed that ass by the way because it had to sound like that because I studied this whole shit I didn't even I didn't even want to watch it off off the rip

because I knew I was going to be so inspired off of that shit I already knew what it was going to be so inspired off of that shit i already watched part one yes i did then we're gonna play in that music and no one was looking at him nobody you know i'm saying real shit real shit and i and i can identify with shit like that yeah we all can and i'm happy and i'm happy that it's out there for the people for the young artists and entrepreneurs to see like that's part of the game that's phase one of it that's part of it because a lot of times they don like, that's part of the game. That's phase one of it. That's part of it. Because a lot of times they don't think that's part of the shit.

And that he stayed the same. He's the same person now that he was back then. It was part of it. Swear to God. Nigga comes to my wife. My wife got a juice bar. He comes to the juice bar. He says, Nori, can you bring me back to the hotel?

He asked me personally. So I said, of course. Relax. You're right. I mean, he's a punchline person. So, we driving. He plays his new shit for me. I'm not looking at him.

He did not like it. He just kept bopping until I made eye contact with him The same exact shit he did in the documentary And then when I finally made eye contact, that's when you see the video where I'm like I'm like, that's taking one meter for four So he's still the same way and I told him that, I said, yo, watching the documentary Actually made me see that I even

appreciate you more, but not only that, is we all remember when people fronted on us, man. We all remember that. You know what I'm saying? We all remember that. As artists, like business people and, you know, marketing department and retail, they can never know how it feels

to go play a record that you know is a hit and a person is just sitting around They don't give a fuck They don't give a fuck That shit's not a good feeling This is some of your best work You know what I'm saying? This is what you put your heart into

And they don't give a fuck Two fucks I don't spit like Verses in rooms where They made shit quiet Niggas want to change the subject You know what I'm saying? Like bro

You know before all of this shit You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, you know, before all of this shit. You know what I'm saying, sir? But, dude, I grabbed Pharrell. I brought him to every executive. And people was like, his shirt is too tight. I was like, what? Fuck that guy could do with anything. Well, only...

Yeah, I was judging his appearance versus the music. He had the choker. His chain was very tight. It's true. His chain was tight his appearance versus the music. He had the choker. His chain was very tight. It's true. His chain was tight. That's his style. You know what I'm saying?

You could see a little bit of his veins popping out. It was real. I'm going to steal it when they did it. You was one of the first niggas fucking with them niggas. But I said, I looked at the music. The man looked at me and said, no one listens to me. But if you listen to me, you're going to have a number one record. And I just believed in it. What made you believe in him?

Daddy Yankee. No, Daddy Yankee for real. Two different stories, sir. I thought you were Daddy Yankee right now. What made you believe in him? What made you believe in him? His confidence. He's humble now, but he's front.

He's people y'all. He's still cocky, but he just don't want to show it now. Right, right. Because he really got the bag now. But back then, my album was over. It's an N.R.E. album. Signed, sealed, delivered. I handed it to the record label.

And if you actually listen to Superdug, what, what, what, what? If you actually listen to it real good, I say it in the ending. I go, N.R.r-e nori the remix super thug was never super thug it was the remix to n-r-e damn because the album was already closed so he gave me we would see these i'm old school so he gave me you had to laugh you had to get away with that one all right but he uh so he played me two beats,

and then he said the third beat, he said, don't listen to it until you get to Miami. And at that time, I was like, what, nigga, I'm the man. Nigga, what you mean, don't listen to that shit until you get to Miami. I had the number one record in New York, number one record at this time in New York means number one in the world, sorry.

Right, right. That's that shit people be talking about though. I know, I just did it. I just did it. I'm so sorry. Exactly. Exactly. And I remember I got to Miami and we was at the Kidd Hotel.

Yeah, it's a foul hotel. Me and Eddie rolled up. Yeah, it's a foul hotel. And then Shorty start coming at me. And then I realized, like like chicks and she was like oh you want to party i said oh so you're a hooker i'm not doing this so i went upstairs and i put the cd in it's the first time i ever heard they said manuel noriega in the philippines and i knew he was a genius from that moment because i wrote wrote that whole shit like that, and I laid the whole shit in one track.

That's crazy. That's one track. There's no punches. Y'all young niggas don't know about that. No punches. That's crazy. Nope, that's one track. And that was y'all first shit.

That was our first shit. And even the hook was... Wasn't supposed to be the hook. That's how I count bars. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what. That's crazy. I was like, we can't use that for a hook. They're going to laugh at me. He's like, you're going to laugh on the way to the bank.

He was right. He was right. That's why you got to dance. That nigga, he one of them geniuses. I never got to work with, bro. You got to. You got to sit down, work with him. And I worked with Dr. Drake before.

Nah, nope. I can see that, too. Yeah, you got to. You got to. That's what I'm trying to say, like that Def Jam shit. Yeah. I'm asking them to connect some dots. That's what you want from them.

That's what you need. That's what I'm trying to say. We agree on that. Connect those dots. That's it. You know what I mean? Take my shit to the next level. You know what I mean. That's what I'm trying to say. We agree on that. Connect those dots. That's it. You know what I mean? Take my shit to the next level.

You know what I mean? Right. Because I take that shit serious. Yeah. You got to think that. We representing a whole region, a whole different genre of shit. Right. This shit responsible for a whole lot of other niggas putting their shit on and doing what they need to do.

You know what I'm saying? So I take this shit serious so like I asked you earlier I said like would you make a commercial record because That's probably like when it comes to real spitters and real streets. That's what that's what they say about all of us I'm like yo, so where's the hits? Did you think when you were making super, you were making a commercial record? Because I think you got to be careful saying that.

Make a commercial record. I don't think he should make a commercial record going into the booth. I'm going to make this commercial record. You know what? I think that's how you don't make a commercial record. A lot of motherfuckers go in there and do it like that. Yeah. But, you know, but it's different.

I don't think that's the way to do it. It's different because you in the lab with different producers and they playing and shit like that. But how was it for you? But like, yeah, because that was a good question. Like, did you feel like you was making a commercial record with Super Thug? You know, it's the crazy shit. And I know you know this story.

This is real talk. You know what they said when Super Thug first came out? That's too dark. Because one, they didn't know Pharrell was like a, you know, they thought he was a gangster. They had to hear him speaking, be like, oh shit,

this nigga ain't gonna hurt a butterfly. You know what I'm saying? But like, but then, my image was so dark, so if you look at the video, we have no dark time scenes.

We all daytime. So we fooled the commercial radio to embrace it. But at first, people said that was a dark record. But what region accepted it first? BDS Spins on radio. Because remember, the way that we took it in Miami is

we wasn't hearing New York artists on that tempo. It was a bounce. That's a down south beat. That's what attracted us to it. We were like, oh, this is what we want. We love these artists and they're doing now records that the beats, we can relate to these beats. And that's why you're absolutely right, because I worded it wrong when I said a commercial record. But what it should be is you want, you know what's a better word?

An anthem record. Right. So it's like this. This is my opinion on that shit. Like, when you come from the underground, like me, like Griselda do. Right. So it's like this. This is my opinion on that shit. Like, when you come from the underground, like me, like Griselda do, and then you even get near that line when you're thinking

about crossing over, the fans going to bury you over that shit. They don't like that shit. But who take cross over without crossing over? Real shit, though. And that's possible. But the thing about it is when you come from the industry

and get on some underground shit, it's regular. But in my opinion, all the top niggas, all the people you consider top rappers and niggas who are available

for the throne currently or whatever, always did both. You know what I'm saying? So the same people who sit and complain about this shit, they gonna listen to it, both. You know what I'm saying? So the same people who sit and complain about this shit, they gonna listen to it too.

You know what I'm saying? The top guys always did both. You know what I'm saying? Real shit. Yeah, nah, nah, nah. I'm gonna make some noise for that. That is real.

That is real. Okay, I got more notes thingy. Come on, let's go, baby. But don't go into the booth making a commercial record. Nah, I'm not going in there, you know what I'm saying, doing no shit with the Island Boys or no crazy shit.

Niggas is hard, Benny. Yeah, but Torrent, how did the book, all these independent shows, people can't sell what does not, you ain't not streaming i think i think like basically how you know on some independent shit how the independent hustle

comes and selling out the shows obviously because because the independent fans the underground hip hop fans you know you know how they go. They die hard. They die hard. They know about everything you've got to sell to them. And their opinion matters. Absolutely. That group of people,

opinion matters. So they come off the shows, they spend money, they like doing that shit. That's your foundation. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? The dudes with the dirty sneakers.

Yeah, yeah. And you know, we... Imagine what you're saying. But think of what he's saying. Dudes with the dirty sneakers that are buying the ticket, though, and buying the merch, they're obviously not spending it on the sneakers. Yeah, yeah. And you know, we... Hey, imagine what you're saying. But think of what he's saying. Those are the dirty sneakers that are buying the ticket, though, and buying the merch. They're obviously not spending it on the sneakers. And I don't got no plaque or no nothing.

Yeah, I'm working. That's what I want, too. I'm getting me a plaque soon. I don't got nothing like that. We're going to get you a plaque. But, you know what I mean? I'm selling out the venues. The niggas with plaques do that type of shit. That's what I'm saying. That's fine. Well, consider this the first plaque right here.

And by the way, I love it. By the way, it's... I'm going to put all type of shit in here. And those last forever. Nice. Oh, no, no, no, no. That's it. What did Mr. Lee say?

It came out of Yankee? No, no, no. What he was saying is, after the head drop, Pharrell, he blew up. So Michael Jackson called the nigga. He was like, yo, I want to work with you. Pharrell told the story.

By the way, this is one of my favorite stories ever. It's the best story. There he goes. So he sees Michael Jackson, a whole bunch of Billy G type of feel. And Michael said, nigga, I want to do what Noriega would rhyme to. One of my best stories ever. Michael was my little man. You know what I'm saying?

Holy moly. So look, let's just be clear. What's going on? Packwoods? Packwoods, Buffalotto. You know what I'm saying? Buffalotto? I didn't even repeat that.

Buffalotto. We got this shit everywhere. I'm one of those. And they get mad at me when I say this. I smoke the best out of a lot of rappers. You know what I'm saying? I smoke the best. I'm not saying I smoke the most, but I smoke the best.

You know what I'm saying? Shout out to rappers First Choice, Smokers Club, Packwoods. I'm aligned with all these marijuana companies because I smoke the best. They get mad at me when I say that. I don't know why. So how about cookies and burner? Yeah, I fuck with burner. I'm not saying I'm in.

I fuck with burner. That's what I'm saying. That's like a badge on what I'm saying. That adds to what I'm saying. I fuck with bro. We got you two smoke chants. We got Tyson. Tyson's been pulling over here.

Oh, yeah. Tyson got us working for free. That's a fact. That's a fact. Niggas ain't telling Tyson no. I said Tyson shit was crazy. They showed up and Tyson no. Tyson said we want our shit on. He showed all of them Tyson bites. Tyson said we want your shit on the show.

He was like, no problem. Those Tyson bites is genius. Genius. You got the fucking... You seen that? Peace missing out of it. Yeah. I told him, send it to us.

There's a whole people in my building now. I can't make no jokes. I got to stay clean. You want to give him a break? I can't be holding him one-on-one, so I got to stop. I can't be having no jokes. This nigga going to see me at the pool. Jesus.

He's going to see me at the pool. For real, for real, for real. This nigga really do live nice with me. You and Emery. How does your relationship start? Is this in the can? Y'all met in jail? Like, Emery was in the same spot I was in, right?

And everybody knew he was Hov's man. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you know. Because it almost was a rumor that he took Hov's case. That was always, like, the rumor. No one knows if this is true or not. But did you ever know that part?

Hell no. I never knew that part. Yeah. The rumor is, whatever he got caught with, he was on his way to see Ho or Ho was on his way to see him. Whatever he got caught with, he took the blame for everything. Emery is a solid nigga. I don't know, I mean, Ho told me some stories and he told me that. Yeah, it's the rumor.

I'm going to be honest with you, Ho told me some stories. You know what I'm saying? Some shits. I can't share them shits, no. Nov told me some stories. You know what I'm saying? Some shit. I can't share them shit. No, no, no. Don't share. We need to keep that relationship. No, that's a fact.

But that's what I'm just saying. It's like, nobody... I was one of those niggas who was going to bother Emory. I was the nicest nigga in that jail rapping. And me and my niggas, we was doing the most craziest shit. Niggas, it was at a federal camp. We was leaving the camp, doing shit, coming back, weeding, all type of shit.

So we was hot in there. Really? You know what I mean? Like, real shit. Oh, you was finger popping shit when you left? Finger popping when I left? I was getting with shit. He said, who's cocky? I left.

I was in the hotel room. He said, who's cocky? In the vest? That's a fact. Let's make some noise for you being a legend. I ain't never heard no shit like this. This is hard for you. I like this story.

Now, that's a fact. When I was in Atlanta, USP, it's like a holdover until you designated to go to your spot. And I had like a year left, so I was only going to a camp. But the nigga was telling me that. He was telling me like, yo, I was at Atlanta. I left. to go to your spot. Right. And I had like a year left, so I was only going to a camp. Right. But the nigga was telling me that. He was telling me like, yo, I was at Atlanta. I left. I went to the mall. And I'm like, he went to the fucking mall. I'm like, this nigga lying. Nigga in jail told me he went to the mall. I swear to God that's what he told me. He's a legend. He told me that.

He told me that. And then when I got to where I got, I understood that shit was loose as a motherfucker. But this is a hookup, right? This is a hookup. You gotta pay the guards or the guards is determined. No, you gotta hop the fence. Yeah, they do it down right? This is a hookup. You got to pay the guards or the guards just turn their back. No, you got to hop the fence. Yeah, they do it down south. You got to hop the fence. Motherluckers would beat that deal.

Real shit. This shit like some James Bond shit. They do the count, right? And when they did the count, they got to walk past because it's a medium jail right next to it.

The guards from the medium jail come over to do the count. So there's nobody watching the perimeter after they do the count. There's some real sophisticated shit right now. There's real shit. You got to throw the blanket over the barbed wire. Is there barbed wire? I'm thinking so sad we did too much. No, you ain't thinking too much because it is barbed wire. I'm thinking so sacrament-y too much. No, you ain't thinking too much because it is barbed wire.

Watch this. It's real shit. So, nigga, after the guards walked past, me and my celly, I wish my celly, he would tell you he was with me. I was with him, actually. You motherfucking, when a guard walked by the counter, I'm reading my Bible under my cover like I'm asleep. It's real shit.

When he walked past, I flipped the cover off. I'm fully dressed. I got on boots and everything. He ready to go to the asleep. It's real shit. When you walk past, I flip the cover off. I'm fully dressed. I got on boots and everything. You ready to go to bed? But leave out the back door. It was a tall gate. You got to go through the gate. Like real shit. You got to go through some water. Barbed wire was like a

army base. It was like tanks and shit in the next yard over. Like real shit. That's the same spot as you got an army This is some of the craziest shit ever did in my life. I don't know why I even did this shit 90 days left when I did this shit You might be able to face seven years if you got a good but it's like this my cell he was doing it and he was Doing it every week. Sometimes he was doing it every day

It was that easy You don't remember this nigga being on Bucks This nigga be with you I call him right now My nigga saying man But it's like That shit was crazy But anyway, I say all I have to say

That Emory was in that jail We was hot as a bitch I rapped in that jail, so we was hot as a bitch in that jail. And I rapped in that jail a couple times, so I know my name was popping around and shit, and he who he was. I never bothered him in that jail. I didn't want to, because I'm not like a dick-riding nigga. You feel what I'm saying? But when he linked up with Wes, he was like, oh, I mean, I know him That's what I'm saying. So then we kicked it and you know, like when you stand on the other side of that wall

Yeah, when they guess who you've been in there with both looking good both in good situations That's like a brotherhood. Yeah, I'm saying no matter what so Paul is like my real brother. We we knew each other on the street, but we met in jail. And it's nothing I wouldn't do for Capone. You know what I'm saying? And for sure, that's shit that he won't do for me. But, you know,

she looked crazy. You're a dick. No, but that's my bro. That's my bro. And yeah, we met in the can. So, hold on,

let me get through the notes. You got something? You got the nose notes, huh? Yeah, I we met in a can. So, hold on, let me get through the notes. You got something? You got the Dose Notes, huh? Yeah, I got Dose Notes for inside the sauce. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, come on. Who in Buffalo was doing something similar like y'all? Or anybody was inspiring y'all on a local level?

Hell yeah. Like DJ Shay. I always talk about DJ Shay. Like, we've been with Shay for a minute since I was 19. But even before that, growing up, he used to fuck with niggas, other niggas. And we was like on some underground Buffalo shit. Because the niggas who was getting played on the radio, the nigga who was doing the videos, we wasn't part of them. Niggas like T-Brown, niggas like Hooch Crills, niggas like a whole bunch of niggas.

Who else? Who the fuck I'm going to ask them again? Nigga be mad as hell when he don't name niggas. Gotta shout him out of niggas. Who else? Who the fuck I'm gonna listen to again? Nigga be mad as hell when he don't name niggas. This nigga. This nigga. Got to shout him out. Man, who the fuck else? Damn, I can't think.

Dee Black was doing shit in Buffalo. So when we got with Shea, Shea was like the top nigga in Buffalo to get with. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when we got with Shea, that just sharpened everybody's shit. That nigga had the studio every day.

Shea was the first nigga who wasn't a drug dealer or a street nigga who I respected. It was like, okay, he cool. You know what I'm saying? He still had his little

polo shirts, had weed all the time, had bitches and shit like that. I liked that shit. I looked up to him. He's the first nigga I looked up to who wasn't like

a type of street nigga type of person. There was nothing ever like in terms of cross border because y'all right there. No. No, he did what he did terms of cross-border because y'all right there no no he he did what he did but he no but y'all like like in terms of buffalo's sound and scene did it ever cross over to the border side like the canadian side oh no no it never did it but but what we do it's some it's it's definitely some type of kinship towards toronto because

our radio station they is one of their radio stations. You feel what I'm saying? It's like Cardinal Official. Yeah, shout out to Cardinal. I'm supposed to say I got to do a dropout. You know what I'm saying? That's family. Even Drake, you know what I'm saying?

That shit on that Quiet Storm shit, that shit that he used, that voice, the dude talking on Quiet Storm, that was from the Buffalo radio station. Oh, wow. You feel what I'm saying? That's why he said he radio station. Oh, wow. You feel what I'm saying? And that's why he said he shouted out Buffalo on that shit. You know what I'm saying? Now, your name used to be 2 Chain Benny May? Yeah, hell yeah. Really?

Do you think Titty Boy bit your shit? I don't think, I don't think bro bit my shit. But you thought it. You thought it. I don't think, I don't think. You already established the pettiness here. No, but no, listen. I don't think, bro, Ben, my shit. I think great minds think alike.

To be honest with you, I'm keeping it real because. I like that. Because 2 Chainz is a very creative person. He was one of the first niggas that embraced me in this shit. You know what I'm saying? Real shit. You ever told him that? Yeah.

You were? Actually, I did, and my boy told him that. You know what I'm saying? But, hell yeah. You heard? Actually, I did, and my boy told him that. You feel what I'm saying? But listen, though. My name was 2 Chain Benny Mane, but I was doing shit. I was on my way to jail. Wow. And I heard, after he had, obviously, after he had left

from, thank you. My bad. After he had left, oh, with Ludacris or whatever, like, I heard a song called I'm Riding Round and I'm Getting It. Riding Round and I'm, when I heard that shit, and it was like 2 Chain's name was 2 Chain. You know what I'm saying? and I'm getting it. Riding around. And when I heard that shit, it was like 2 Chainz. His name was 2 Chainz. You know what I'm saying? But I knew who it was. It was Titty Boy. But I was on my way to jail and I wasn't doing shit. And I knew. And that was really my name. And I knew like when I came back, I'm like, that ain't gonna be my name anymore. Like real shit.

When I came back, it was on fire. Niggas was playing that song. But they don't know. Like I already knew what was going on. You feel what I it and it was it's a name he took over you know that's still my name I'm like I'm like for chain Benny people still people still call me that but hit that nigga like 20 chain titty boy now but you know I mean I fuck with bro he embraced me but my boy did tell him that cuz that was a you know that'd be a big thing you know motherfuckers is petty like yo you took your name to the a, you know, that'd be a big thing. You know, motherfuckers is petty. Like, yo, you took your name, you took your name. You know, people think, people think you've,

anybody stole shit from them. You know what I'm saying? People tell me I stole shit from them. Like, nigga, no, you heard my shit, nigga, then you took it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Is you fucking crazy? You think, you think I was paying attention to that shit?

All right. You know what I'm saying? Real shit. Y'all need to do a track together. Two, two chains. No, no, we got some shit. No, real shit. That's fire. Let's make some noise for that.

We already talked about DJ Shay, right? Who wrote this album? My boy keeping these shits coming. Murder Beats. Still in your couch. ML. Murder Beats. He's going to say some shit about murder. Like, he going back to, like, the Buffalo Toronto shit. Like, niggas been new, bro.

You know what I'm saying? Murder Beats. Big hits, yeah. I met Murder Beats. I called him Jack Harlow. A word? Damn. What are you saying?

You can tell I'm an old school nigga, though. I'm sorry. That's what he probably thinking. He probably thinking this, nigga, man. I was like, yo, you know what I'm an old school nigga though. That's what he's probably thinking. He's probably thinking this nigga, man. I was like, yo, wake it up. He's like, yo, you know why I'm here? Yo, he's probably like New York niggas, man. I'm trying to tell you, man.

I was really like, I thought I had it. I thought I nailed it. I'm sorry. I thought I nailed it. I'm sorry. I thought I had it, bro. He was like, nailed it. No, but he's from Toronto, but niggas been to him on his come up.

You know what I'm saying? And he took off. And he said, I mean, that nigga hit me the other day. Yo, what you doing? So it's like, so he, not saying that we ever even spoke. He fired too, by the way. Let's be clear. Exactly.

No, he's crazy. He's great. Not saying that he ever spoke about it. Not saying that Drake ever spoke about it. Not saying that even Griselda ever. I'm speaking about it right now. Like, I know niggas, like it's some type of kinship. Like, you know what I mean?

Because, you know, like, you know, niggas be trying to call us South Canada. You know what I mean? Buffalo it right now like I know niggas like it's some type of kinship like you know what I mean because you know like you know niggas be trying to call us South Canada you know what I mean Buffalo you know what I mean but you know what I mean

but what I do is we represent where we from you know what I'm saying it's never you got to be proud of where you from you know what I'm saying it's real niggas

from everywhere that's it and at one point Buffalo was like like the lowest economy right like it was like so and you know

anywhere where it's low economy that's where the most crime is going to happen it's treacherous upstate it's treacherous like it is anywhere else and the weather's treacherous I've been up there

during a snowstorm with all that the weather fucked up so it's that type of environment like people say if you could really make it out of there you could make it out

of any motherfucking way right I mean it's just you know just there's all the there, you could make it out of any motherfucking way. I mean, it's just, you know, just there's all the odds against you. You know what I'm saying? I think a lot of times people forget that, you know, our age and how we came in and shit. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, that was a blessing, that nigga getting signed to Shady, them niggas. Like, that nigga Wes didn't tell me until... Who, Murder Beats? No, no, no. I'm just talking about, like, the group.

Because where you from? This nigga hair is nuts. Look, look. You should call him up. Call him up. I spoke that nigga up. I spoke that nigga up. Call him up.

But I'm just saying, it's like, where that Griselda shit came from, that shit is crazy. That shit came out of nowhere. So, I'm saying, that's another reason

why that shit get praised. You know what I'm saying? How it do, because niggas respect that. They understand that. Right. But you ever thought, because, like we all related to at one point,

like New York was hard on New York. So if we hard on New York, we even harder on Long Island. We are hard on... Exactly, exactly. Even like Staten Island, who is a borough. Right is a girl right right now y'all were hardening on Jersey Jersey on you know, maybe even Trenton or Newark or whatever What up you ever thought that all of this shit you went through like people is respecting the city that people want

Y'all to win like that's that's respecting y'all home city You know as I didn't ever think, to be honest with you, I didn't ever think, but just to see it is love. My boy, somebody who I was locked up with just hit me the other day from Brooklyn. He was like, yo, all I hear is Tanner talk for right now. He's like, yo, you got New York City on tilt right now. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, that's love. That's love.

And they stand behind this shit because it's that cloth. It's what we do. So they're standing behind this shit because it's that cloth is that is what we do so I be standing behind that shit like you said this shit make us proud I mean you just to get niggas back this and make niggas want to get back doing a shit again you know we could we could do our shit again and you're paid let's go let's do our shit again Here we go. Take two at a time. He's part of that whole movement, you understand? He's part of the whole motherfucking movement. Real shit. Oh shit, let's hit the card now. He must not have an iPhone.

I ain't got an iPhone. I spoke to him. Aw, I went at him? I'm sorry. It's Canada, you know, extra rates may apply. You know what I'm saying? Just hit me, nigga. How you not gonna pick up?

There we go, yeah. We know how to do tricks. Yeah! Just ready to put you right there. Yo, I spoke you up. Yo, I spoke you up. I spoke your name and then you hit broke, real shit. Yeah.

My G, that's crazy. Blue phone, what it do, bro? Hey! You know that, you know that, bro. Real shit, yeah. My G, that's crazy. Buffalo, what it do, bro? Hey! You know that, you know that, you know what I mean? Yo, Dano, people need to know, Buffalo and Toronto, we like, you know what I mean? We like, we like, you know what I'm saying? Buffalo and Toronto's right there, bro.

He just, he just now said that. He just now said that. He just now said that. My nigga, we grew up on WBLK. Yo, my first concert that I ever saw in my life. I just said that. No word of a lie.

My first big stadium concert was in Buffalo. I went to see MC Hammer and Vogue and Vanilla Ice back like when I was a little kid.

I saw that concert too. You saw that concert? You were a kid in Miami. I like your floss. Let's. I saw that concert too. You saw that concert? When I was a kid in Miami. I like your floss. Let's make some noise for Cardinal. Yo, I'm going to finish this up and I'm going to hit you back. Cardinal!

I got you. I got you on the drop. I got you, my bro. That's how you know that. That's how you know life sometimes is meant to be. Yeah, that's crazy, right? He said that shit. So let me ask you, switch it up the subject a little bit.

I think this was the first day I met you as well, or maybe we met before But the same day you met DMX We linked up Right? I believe I hit you And I said you'll come through I want to introduce you to X But one thing that was just known was

You was on crutches You was moving different It kind of felt like you was being Cautious But you had just gone through he was moving different it kind of felt like he was being cautious but you had just got going through whatever happened in houston so how was that experience because was that uh was that a deliberate these guys was deliberately after you or just they was after random people and i heard i heard they found out who it was or something yeah it was at the random people they just had

the random people okay you know i'm saying like i was moved i was cautious after that like i still am now because i know the mistakes that i made that day you know i'm saying just it was just simple shit like that would you be the wal to Walmart or something? Hell yeah. Was that the mistake? Nah. Nah, nah. That mistake was being where I was too long. You feel what I'm saying? Right. So shit like that.

I'm learning. And that was a mistake, but also just as that, me realizing, not realizing who I am. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that. Right. Because what I tell people all the time, like, don't know, man, you will come with this shit. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that. Right. Because what I tell people all the time, like, don't know, man, you will come with this shit. You know what I'm saying? Don't know, man, you know, niggas tell you, but that's something that I'm realizing myself.

Like, I understand it now. Trust me. Right. But even at that point, I didn't know. Right. Burden of proof had just dropped. You know what I'm saying? I didn't feel like I was doing nothing.

Niggas tell me, like, yo, why the fuck you going to Walmart? I'm like, damn, I can't go I didn't feel like I was doing nothing. Niggas like, niggas tell me like, yo, why the fuck you going to Walmart? I'm like, damn, I can't go to Walmart. I'm a project. I think I was one of those guys who said that. I'm a project, baby. Niggas can't go to Walmart. And I realized like, damn, you sometimes,

life like that, you can't go to Walmart. Send the homies to get the t-shirts and drawers. I'll go to Target. No, I'll go to Target. Target. Target might not be safer, sir. Nah, I'll go to Target. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Send the homies to Target. You can stick your ass in one of those five-star homes now. Nah, you can still go. You just got to move a certain way. You know what to do. I learned a lot from that. Right. And I'm one of them niggas, I take a lesson out of everything.

You know, it's a lot of niggas who are not here right now. You know what I mean? It's true. You know. It's true. Bootsy got who not here right now. You know what I mean? It's true. You know. It's true. Boosie got shot that week. True. M03.

Yeah, that was a crazy week, yeah. King Von. You know what I'm saying? God bless. That was all in the, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? It's like, damn. You definitely got to watch yourself, man.

Rappers got to take care of themselves themselves and I learned so much from that shit. I ain't going to lie. Do you think rapping- Because I've been in the streets doing everything my whole life and that never happened. Do you think rapping is a dangerous job? Hell fuck yeah. Because we don't know our enemy. We don't.

And the same niggas, our enemies be the same niggas in our face smiling. No, that's the worst enemy. You know what I'm saying? It's the dude, that seafood y'all that's hitting your face and saying, yo, you the shit.

As soon as you turn around, they want to stab you in the back. That's the worst, but the crazy shit is we got to come outside. We got to, and we got to post where we going to be at.

That's the worst thing. Pull up right here. Most of the time when I post a restaurant, I post it the next day. That's what I do, too. I record my shit. I don't go live to my shit.

I just record it on my phone and then I post. Yeah. That shit is crazy, though. But all that had to be learned. People wasn't doing that in the beginning. It was posted in real time. And I think that was a learned behavior now. Oh, who was it?

Someone said something to somebody and they stepped to them while they was at the mall. I think it was Ed Lovell. Or was it Maino? It to somebody and they stepped on them while they was at the mall. I think it was like Ed Lovell or was it Maino? It was Maino, I think. Someone said some bullshit about Maino, filmed it, and then posted it, and Maino turned around

and followed them niggas. He was like, oh, okay, what did you just say? And that was like, oh, okay, you know what? We can't really post in real time now. But isn't that fucking ironic? We make it out the hood

and the hood follows us. And we just, listen, DMX told me something that was so beautiful. He said, I don't call rappers whack no more.

And I said, why? He said, because every rapper that gets on, he employs at least eight to 16 people. And I was just like, wow.

He said that on our first episode with him. Yes, yes, yes. So I was like, wow. So when you look at that, how the fuck are we getting more successful putting people on and still running into maybe sometimes even worse than the hood problems? Like this. How do you see this? Man, people, rappers, people value them too high in my pain you know I'm saying people think too highly of rappers just being real

you know I'm saying like we're great people like me I'm not a dumb nigga I'm smart I always been always been a smart kid right grade a student you know I'm saying I'm not a slimeball you know I'm student. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm not a slime ball. You know what I'm saying? I'm a loyal nigga. Yes. I'm a respectful nigga. You know what I'm saying?

But, you know, I got daughters. I take care of my kids. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Take care of my team. Right. But at the same time, you know, like, I got three felonies, man.

Right. Like, don't, don't, I'm an example, not a role model. I was just speaking about that. Right. Niggas always, niggas always want to be. There's a big difference, what you about that. Niggas always want to be better than a rapper. Niggas be feeling like press when rappers come around. Rappers this, rappers that, rappers this. So, you know, niggas love us, but they hate us.

They love us, but they hate us. And they be like, man, you know, niggas be like, oh, man, niggas be saying shit like, you a rap nigga. What you mean by that? Yeah. You mean like, you know what I mean? You're trying to discredit me for being who I am by that. That's exactly what it is. You know what I mean?

I don't understand that. You know what I mean? But they value rappers too much. You know what I'm saying? They need to be better than, they need to be better than their community leaders. You know what I'm saying? Right. Not even on no crazy political shit, but that shit is getting out of hand.

You know, niggas want to be in rappers' faces and shit, this shit is out of, this shit is out of control. I'm not going to lie to you, you know what I'm saying? The male groupie shit is going too far. Oh, no, it's very serious, sir. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And it's just that, like, God damn. You know what I mean? It's like, do your own shit. You don't even need niggas to be on you like that. Right. Right. So, something I noticed about you immediately is you roll

like how I roll. Got all the homies with you and you know why that's safe? Let me just tell you why that's safe. Cause you don't need no outsiders. No. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying. A lot of people to this day would be like, damn, you still wrote this deep.

Because I got my whole community. I got the whole PJs with me. I don't got to go to another PJs. My real shit. You know what I'm saying? These are like all my people people. We just came from L.A. How many of us was it?

14 of us. 14 of us. My right-hand man is licensed to carry his gun. We got to make some noise for that. Legally popular. You know what I'm saying? Stay right there. Yeah, stay right there.

You know what I'm saying? So like, that's another thing that you got to keep them niggas around you that keep you grounded. You know what I'm saying? Not even like, I don't even got my niggas with me on no tough guy shit, but. Oh, we shouldn't be. They like that. Right. But these just my real friends, you know what I'm saying?

My boy, my boy Buff, he just came home from doing 13 joints. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Real shit. My nigga, my nigga Mo, he just came home from doing 19. You know what I mean? Real shit.

Damn it. Damn it. You know what I mean? Real shit. You know what I'm saying? That's real shit. Even though people see Armani with us now, Armani been with us. Right. You know what I'm saying? Armani knew from DJ Shay from like 2009 and 2008, shit like that. She was around.

Real shit. That's beautiful, man. I met 38 when I was 22 years old. I'm 37. You know what I'm saying? These are my same niggas. Family. That's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing. I'm 38 when I was 22 years old. I'm 37. These are my same family. That's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing. I'm telling you.

Even like I said, even just meeting with Jay the other day, he said that to me. He said, I like how you got your people around. Because he understood our energy. He understood like, listen, my nigga, I kind of need you to show kind of need you to show them that I'm a boss. That I'm a boss. And that you respect me. And he caught it. He was like, yeah.

But he also gave me that. He said, you know what? That's why I got Emery here. I got Tata here. I got such and such here. Because we don't want to mingle with other niggas. We just want to be with our art. Our real shit.

And that's when I knew, that very moment, I'm doing the right thing. So. So. So. want to be with our real shit and that's what i knew that very moment i'm doing the right thing so so most people would look and be like damn many you want to look bad people i'm the exact opposite i'm saying you're doing the right thing because you ain't got to do no dumb shit though you ain't got to come around you ain't got to in fact you should stay away from at all because you are actually that guy and And what you just said was very touching to me. You said you didn't know who you were at the time in Houston. That's what we all suffer from.

We all say, because I'm a regular nigga. You're going to barbecue. You're going to take your pants off and pee the same way I pee. You're going to do, but we are a regular nigga. That's why I say the money changed people around you quicker than it changed you. Right. You know what I'm saying? It people around you quicker than it changed you. Right. That's very true. You know what I'm saying?

It's very true. People don't understand that. People quick just like, oh, man, you different. You couldn't wait to say I'm different, but I'm really the same nigga. You're different. You expect different things from me because of my situation, but I'm really the same person I've always been. You know what I'm saying? That's real shit, man.

That's real shit. I mean. That's real shit. Let's make some noise for that. That's real. man. That's real shit. I mean, that's real shit I'm taking a shot for that. I'm sorry We are you take a shot to me take a shot me come back because I ain't gonna lie, bro The shit this y'all doing, the shit that y'all represent

ain't been this authentic in years. Because they try to act like this type of music wasn't a factor. Yes. When the game went to where it went to. Listen, let me just tell you something, Salou. Go ahead. God bless. I want to tell you what I went

through for you. Everyone says the War Report is a classic now. I think I went through it. When the War Report dropped, and ironically, I'm getting a. And the war report dropped. And ironically, I'm getting a lot of money with this man. I'm getting a lot of money with this man. He good. I love him. But Mr. Shiny Suits was dominating the year the war report. I'm talking about we were overshadowed and at times I thought man I should

maybe I should make a sunshine you know what I'm saying maybe I should go we love you man cause off of them niggas you gotta realize it's killing that shit not only killing it particularly overshadowing us It's killing that shit. Oh. Not only killing it,

particularly overshadowing us. Overshadowing the Mobb Deeps. Overshadowing. I don't know if you remember, that's why Puff actually came to Queensbridge to get into a Mobb Deep video. I don't know if y'all remember that. I don't know if y'all remember that. Puff had to do that because he was outshadowing

street music so much that he looked like the enemy. And he didn't want to be the enemy. So he came and he reached out to niggas like me. He reached out to Mobb Deep. He reached out. But at one point, this shit wasn't cool. For real, this shit wasn't cool. real this shit wasn't cool it was like

versus this this versus that like everyone says the War Report was a classic they saying that now I live through that these niggas did not come out my first week

they didn't say it then they didn't say it then like and I'm trying to tell you is they had to catch up to this shit so for the people to be on to y'all right like this is a blessing this is

you know what the locks been through what Wu-Tang has been through what Mobb D has been through because if you look at Wu-Tang you look at all those albums the Mobb and all that besides Nas besides Nas Nas was probably the only one who had a big first week back then.

And DMX. Right. DMX was a different animal. He sold like a rock and roll. He was a different animal. Everybody. He had it hard, too. Everybody had it hard.

That's what I'm trying to say. So, for a nigga like me, to see y'all, and to see that y'all could shine all together, y'all could shine separately, and y'all all got your own fans, to tell you the truth, it's a beautiful fucking thing to see. No, it's a beautiful thing. And I think niggas realize that. So, like,

it'll never be a point where niggas not calling each other phones or pulling up on each other or not working together. Right. Fuck all of this. You know what I'm saying? It'll never get to that point.

You feel what I'm saying? Of course. But you gotta make sure you keep that attitude. Mm-hmm. Because the further you go, it's not the more

you're gonna say, fuck the next nigga. The further, further you go, you start doing you. Mm-hmm. And when you do you, sometimes you gotta remember. That's why I wanted

to give you that four chicken wing fried rice story. Right, right, right, right, right. It's because we, by the way, the reason why the four chicken

and fried rice is simple, we went half and half to pay for it. How much was that? Four dollars and some shit. It was like

a buck, three times. Under ten bucks. What it was, was it represented How much was that? $4 It was like Under $10 What it was Was it represented Where we was Where you came from Because what he asked me Trag And I love this man

To this day for this He asked me You can't have one foot in And one foot out I can't have you Slinging no more So can you please Stop selling drugs

Right I lied to him for the first two months i was like yeah and i was outside y'all and i was fucked up i had to work i'm doing it away every night i'm doing it away listen i can only had to come to me This is my first tour Akineli I had a fire pack on me And Akineli Seemed to make a sound And he said

You idiot motherfucker This is how he talked to me For real And Akineli's not a gangster So he on my block I'm looking You know I'm down the block He be both from the same hood

So Akineli got out and said Would you look at this shit And every car that drove by Was playing L.A. L.A. And he said, just so you make a sale. Makes you feel like shit, don't hold it.

I'm like, terrible. What do you mean? But I'm like, that's niggas that's from my hood. It's like your album is doing phenomenal. But I didn't know how to. But what the fuck

was you doing then? I was on a crack, sir. I'm sorry. You thought it was going to be an inspirational speech? I'm sorry. No, because you know what? Because you know what? Like, I've always been an upstate legend doing my shit.

So even when going back and forth to jail, and sometimes I was in good positions, I was hustling and ain't nobody know. But sometimes I stood on the corner, and they was like, what is you doing? Yeah, what is you doing? You know what I'm saying? That's what it was for me.

They was like, eh. But I don't do no shit like that no more. I ain't done no shit like that in years. Please, though. I did my last hand-to-hand. It was after the flex freestyle. Wow. You was outside, huh?

She was out. Yeah. I'm just being real. You know what I'm saying? But never, never no more. Never, never no more. You know what I realized about this shit? That we didn't even have to do that.

We didn't even have to do that. That's the crazy shit about it. When you realize and you get to the point where you're making money off legal shit and you're around different people who could bring opportunities to you because you could bring opportunities to them. We didn't even have to do that. You know what I'm saying? That's just what we thought we had to do. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? That's just what we thought we had to do. You know what I'm saying? A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joey Crack TS. We got ready to put you on drink show. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He riding in some big shit, too. Is that tonight?

I thought it was tomorrow. I mean, I think he cracks right in some big shit. I got you, y'all. Come on, man. You know you're my little homie when it comes to that. Come on. That's his shit right there. That's some shit.

Let's go. I'll put you in the game, Joe Crack. You know what I mean? First base line. I got you, brother. I hate you, so I'll finish.

All right, one. One love. One love. Yo, shout out to Diamond D's in the building as well. The legend Diamond D's in the building. Listen, did you you hear his voice?

This is what I'm trying to tell you. And I know I said this earlier, and I do be repeating myself, but listen to me. This is the part I want to repeat myself. I don't want you to take this for granted. Because the fact that the industry, and I'm telling you,

I've been a part of this motherfucker for 20 years. This is not a good industry. It's made to make the artist be broke. It's made to make the artist fail. It's not made for you. So when you see other motherfuckers that's in this

artistry that went through it and that's showing you guys this much love, I just want you to know this is not normal. Right, right, right. I know. I understand that shit.

Good. I understand that shit because, like I always say, we Buffalo niggas. This me here, I'm an Eastside Buffalo nigga and I know who y'all niggas is.

I listened to you when I was a teenager. Come on, god damn it. Make me feel old. I was like, be old and be happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm 44.

Like I said, I take this shit serious. I'm taking a shot for that, by the way. And niggas don't know what we about to do with this Def Jam shit. You know what I'm saying?

Me, Tunji, everybody over there, Charlene, you know what I'm saying? It's just, niggas don't know what. My rock nation team, niggas don't know

what we about to do. I've been riding with Charlene since Loud Records. Charlene been around. That's the home girl. My real shit. That's what I'm saying. I had to feel comfortable before I did that shit. You know what I'm Tina?

I told you I ain't do no Def Jam business yet, but sign the paperwork. Listen, you gotta set up a Mr. Child. No, no, say less. I told him to throw me a party. I still want a party. I'ma help out. I love a Mr. Child. No, no. Say less. I told him to throw me a party. I still want to party. I'm going to help out. I love a major label party.

You ain't throwing your drink, sir? I'm sorry. I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to take a shot. We're taking a shot to you, your career, and Buffalo, man. Motherfucking Buffalo. Y'all putting a whole fucking city, town on, and y'all riding with it.

It's beautiful. Salute, brother. And you can take care of that deli, y'all. I like it. Now, this is my shit. I like it. Salute, salute. We got to stop drinking other tequila.

Ah, go on, you. We don't know the owner. You ever met Puff? The crazy thing about it is I never met Puff. He on the album. We kick it all the time. Sure. Over the phone and shit, but I never met him.

But I'm daily on. I got my boy on the album. Yes. Ten more crack commandments. I'm going to tell you this. We had Game on here drinking Kaza Zoot. Worst mistake I ever made. Say that right. Game had himself on here. Game had himself on here drinking Kaza-Zoo. Worst mistake I ever made. Say that right.

Game had himself on here. Game had himself on here drinking Kaza-Zoo. Listen, I knew it was fucked up. No, no, no. Listen, the crazy thing about it is I was on FaceTime with Puff. Casamigos in my hand one time. You know what I'm saying? So I know what you're talking about.

This is not a good day. Listen, my dude. I can't say what he told me. I can tell when I hear the phone ring, like when I used to hustle, I can tell when it's money. I can tell when it's bad.

And I can tell when it's good. As soon as I heard the phone ring, I was like, I did something fucked up. Because it rang twice. Being there, niggas don't call you twice. They'll give you once. He called twice. I looked, I did something fucked up. Because it rang twice. Being there, niggas don't call you twice.

They get you once. He called twice. I looked. I said, I fucked up. What did I do? And then he sent me the footage that I just sent him. He said, how you going to send me this? I'm like, man, I switched on myself.

But I didn't realize that I gotta tell people, like, listen, if you're gonna drink tequila, we're gonna drink. If you're gonna drink cognac, you're gonna drink the homie. You're gonna drink champagne, we're gonna drink the homie champagne. I feel like I owe them that. And by the way, they

told me I owe them that. Both individually, both two, both petty niggas. I said, Shagan, do you know Mr. Moet? I said, geez Louise, I do not. But I know Mr. Ace of Spades. So I'm gonna keep this shit hip-hop. No, you got to, you got to. I'm gonna keep it hip-hop. We gotta represent us. And let's just be clear.

It's not just Sirach, Deleon, Ace of Spades, Duce, our brother, Earl Stevens, who we closing a deal with right now.

And we wanted to be down with... Did I call him Earl Stevens? Yeah, you did. That was a violation. Mr. E-40. Yes, Mr. E-40. He's doing business for us. He's trying to...

Yeah, but he be calling himself Earl. Yeah, yeah. With the wine and shit. Yeah, so... E-40. Yes, Mr. E-40. Well, he's doing business for us. He's probably doing business in here. Yeah, but he be pulling himself out of line here. With the whining shit. Yeah, so E-40, this is your platform anytime. Bel Air, Mr. Rick Ross, anytime, this is your platform. Anybody that has a product line, like, come over here, let's put it on the table. We're going to keep this shit hip hop because that's what you got to do. Even these beers are hip hop right here. Yes. I believe so.

We gotta represent us. We gotta split it up. He's my side of the table. Also, I got a deal coming up with Monster, too. Yeah, Sean's Monster. We making that deal. I was wondering why this Monster shit was here. They strategic.

Hey, man, listen. Listen, man. Everybody here got it, you know. Shout out Monster. I'm team Monster. They support me. They support me. They support Monster.

That's why I'm here. Me, too. Let's go. let's go. We like you, we like you. So. Hey, Mama Juana, don't forget Mama Juana. Yeah, I don't know about your deal. You got Mama Juana.

I got a deal with nobody. I'm just supporting you. My Dominican brothers and sisters, I got to support my Dominican brothers and sisters. We got the love. We got the love. We got the love. Yo, Diamond D want to come and say something. Where he's going?

Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? Where he's going? I got to support my Dominican brothers and sisters. We got the Latino guys.

Yo, Diamond D want to come and say something. By the way, you know who Mala Juana is? Do you know who the Dominican is? Nah. It's Dominican Tiger Bone. Let's just keep it real. UMA has it. They used to throw spells on people.

Santeria. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With Mala Juana. Throw a spell on you. They kill a chicken. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With my mama. Don't spell on you. That's spooky. They kill a chicken. That's not true, though. He just... I mean, he was all up.

They kill a chicken and then they just... I'm about to say that's that spooky shit. And then, look, look, look. You never seen Santeria? Where they go,

where they spit? What is it? Yeah, that's the rumor. For real. And this is really good to advocate for Tiger Ball. Hey, man. We drink Tiger Ball

since COVID. Tiger Ball and that shit, man. You ain't fucking with it no more? Since good, it advocates for Tiger Bone. Hey man, we drink Tiger Bone since COVID. Tiger Bone that shit, man. You ain't fucking with it no more? Since COVID. COVID fucked up Tiger Bone. I mean, this is Tiger Bone. This is the Latino Tiger Bone. I ain't. I'm so into OG.

I'm switching more to that. I'm switching more to that. Tiger, motherfucker. Yo, what you got in there, motherfucking building? I never went in that boat before. Oh man. Yes, yes. Yo, I know you feel how i feel about him of course

but real hip-hop hey what's your how much of a breath of fresh air it is to hear they moving it's good because you know like trap doing what it was doing it wasn't like no real representation right the that you know we call hip-hop. Right. Salute to Benny. Salute to the whole Zelda. Because the niggas who sell way more records than us and everything is like

niggas want to talk like this about. You know what I'm saying? It's not about trying to have what another nigga got, trying to have his spot. It's about having a love from the niggas So it's not about trying to have what another nigga got trying to have his spot is about Having a love for them from the from the niggas that matter the foundation We we we rap I'm saying that's what it's about. I got rap rap exactly So that's what it's about it's about if if you in a gym plan and niggas say like you know

He could you know if I say you could play ball I'm saying you could play ball right, but if Leron said, I'm not comparing myself to LeBron. I mean, LeBron likes him. No, or y'all niggas LeBron. Right. If niggas say like, yo, that nigga cabal. Right. That mean everything.

You know what I'm saying? Right. And that's what I go off of, real shit. Diamond D, you drinking? You want some Ace of Spades? You want some? No, I'm good. I'm good.

Are you chilling? He got a gig tonight. He got a gig tonight. Japanese deli on. You want some Japanese deli on? Want some mambo? Yeah, I got a to tell me to tell y'all? Okay. Okay. So,

both of y'all, I'm going to ask both of y'all this question. Did you ever think hip hop would make it this far? Nah. I love that answer. You did it? I didn't. I mean,

you know, just to see it come from where it came from. Right. The parks and... Yes. You're from the Bronx for real. There's no way nobody could have that foresight. Right. This shit the top genre.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Top genre of music. That's crazy. The shit that they try to like... And it's changed everything. Like the things that we don't even realize. Like you watch the news and they

talking hip-hop lingo. It's normal English now and they talking the shit that they wasn't saying before. They using words they wasn't using before. They using slang that's normalized now. It's just crazy. Yeah, news anchors and all that. Even something

like, I want to give a shout out. Yeah, that was it. The things that you wouldn't think of, that came from something else. They be leaving something like I want to give a shout out. Yeah Things that you wouldn't think of that came from some else How about you you don't hip hop get this far I Mean I didn't think you know I'm saying I always been inspired by this shit That's like even even with the Super Bowl right I'm saying it just passed all hip-hop They hand in the reins over to niggas like Dre. You know what I'm saying? It's like, even this shit right here, even you, you a nigga who came back years ago.

Look at this nigga, get a bag and shit, doing what he doing. You get a bag too. Why you ain't got no big ass chain today? I'ma be like today, be like today. I'ma be like today. Today be like, today be like, today be like. But to be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you,

I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with you, I'ma be honest with like. But, to be honest with you, hip-hop has been the blessing for every one of us in here. There's not one person in here

who has not been touched by hip-hop. Like you said, what X said, he don't call niggas whack rappers no more. Because that's what I realized. I'm like, these niggas feeding niggas. You know what I'm saying? These niggas is putting on for their niggas. Even All That Boyz. No, real shit.

You know what I'm saying? These niggas, it's a situation for niggas, so they don't got to do no dumb shit. You know what I'm saying? And that's like one of the dopest parts of this whole thing is that we can still be in our element and get money off of it. You know what I'm saying? Culture. This shit's culture. Let me ask you this,

Diamond D. And I have, I want to say he's my friend. MC Shan on here the other day. Okay. And MC Shan said, he doesn't want to be called a legend. Because...

Which changed his mind at the end of the show about that one. Yes, but I wanted, he said, and I told him he was wrong. Right. He said to him, legend means they know you, but you broke. And I said... You broke or you broke?

That's what he said. But you're broke. You're a legend. Nah, that's... That's what he said. You don't want to... No, no, yeah, but that's ridiculous. He was right there.

And I disagreed with him. I said, that's not... But he corrected himself, you said. He did. At the end. You know what it was? He wasn't accepting of people honoring him and giving him that due respect. So he felt disrespected if someone came up to him saying legend, like if he was calling him old or washed up.

Because this is what I said. But at the end, us calling him legend, he felt it the right way you know this is what i said i got a rhyme where i say sometimes they call me og but they don't really mean it they're just calling me old gotta read in between it right right sometimes don't call me og like why like i like the word legend. Right. How do you feel about that? I think it's an honor.

You know what I mean? You know, you earn that. Right. Don't mean you broke. Right, exactly. No hoes are legend. That was my example. Fat Joe's a legend.

Fat Joe's a legend, yes. I go on and on. Yes. I don't equate that with being broke. Right. Just a sign, you know, and on. Yes. I don't equate that with being broke. Right. Just a sign, you know, a badge of honor. I just think that means, to me, that means, like, you stand, like, forever. Forever, exactly.

Like, I mean, I'm saying, like, you are my walk of fame. You're forever for me. You know what I'm saying? I consider you forever. I have the same exact definition. And, you know, that was one thing I had no control over, if you chance. So this, by the way, what I wanted to... It'll probably come out before this. Yeah, so it's going to make sense.

But I had no control over him. Right. By the way, he's the first person I ever seen sit in this corner. He's the first person that did a lot of things on Dream Chats. A lot of things on Dream Chats. But it was an amazing episode. What bothered me was it was like he couldn't accept the love. That's what it was.

All the way. A lot of people came out in the generation that you didn't have the Twitter. You didn't have Facebook. You didn't get to see this constant love or this constant hate that you receive every single day. Right, that's real shit.

And when I'm telling him, I'm telling MC Sham, I'm like, yo, we love you. You know, we're playing him drops of people who actually are bigging him up. And he's like, fuck this shit. It's like he didn't want to watch it. He didn't.

And then I had Traj. Traj sat in the same exact seat you sit in that. I invited Traj because I definitely needed help and I was right about that. And Traj had to tell him, you got to accept the love. So what crazy is sometimes sometimes in hip hop So what crazy is sometimes,

sometimes in hip hop, we don't know how to accept the love from the younger generation. Like I remember seeing Melly Mel, and this is real talk, I have never said this, and Melly Mel was so mean to me. Like when I first came out, I was like, what's up Melly Mel? He was just like, what up little out, I was like, what's up, Melly Mel? He was just like, what up, little nigga?

I was like, damn. I swear to God. I love Melly Mel. Listen, listen. But back then, and he was right because I had to work up to get that love from Melly Mel. You had the early respect. I had the early respect. So I never,

he knew who you was? Back then, yeah. But listen, through the course of time, he gave me that love. How you said you met me before. You said you met me one time. You met me before that, though. I did. Like I had to meet Styles P five times before he knew who I was. That's how that shit go.

So I just remember that. And I remember, damn, I remember me always saying to myself, damn, I want... I wanted the elder statesman to accept me. That's it. But I didn't know how to say, can y'all accept me? Like, I'm a real one.

I'm going to be here forever. Right, right. But I didn't know how to ask for that love. So, my defense mechanism was to be like, all right, so whatever. So, I had to act like I didn't care. But that shit meant the world to me.

To see Melly Mell, to see Grandmaster Flash, to see Grandmaster Cass, and to see Kool Herc, and literally just say, hi. That's all I wanted. But as a young dude, I had developed a defense mechanism.

So I was like, all right, cool. If they don't show love to me, Diamond D shows me love. D.I.P.C. shows me love. Fat Joe shows me love. So I took that of the love that was given to me, and I did that. But I went through years of my career,

five, six years, where I just wanted to melt him out. These dudes just say hi. They didn't even have to give me a five. They gave me a head nod. I would have been cool with that. And like, at one point, I swear to God, the elder statesman didn't even, they wouldn't even make eye contact with me. There's a lot of niggas who I had to earn my respect with.

I know what you're talking about. No real shit because I respected it though. You know what I'm saying? I understood it. They made me want to earn my respect when they get down. And that's part of hip-hop. Paying dues is a part of it. You know, some people don't want to do, you know, they expect they're going to go down to a hundred quick. It's like, you're doing that, but

do something for real before I look that way. You know what I'm saying? It's like, okay, watch this. That's why I love this show is because I get to give back. You know, I get to give back and I get to say things like this because I guarantee you, you can see this and be like,

I didn't even know, Nori. I don't think he meant disrespect, but he was right. In the long run, I'm telling you, he was right. I didn't need to deserve my... I just got T on the wire, nigga. I just got L.A., L.A.

The war report didn't even drop yet. So I get it now.A. L.A. Like, they, the war report didn't even drop yet. So, I get, I get it now. Exactly. But, you know what I do? Instead of, I, I'll see the baby. I walk over to the baby.

I'm like, what's up? I see the little baby. I walk over to the mother. I'm like, yo, what's up? She's like, what's up, OG? I'm like, all right, cool, cool. But when they turn around, I'm gone.

Because, you know, y'all some young crazy niggas. I understand what's going on. I was y'all. I was y'all before. I'm like, all right, cool, cool. But when they turn around, I'm gone. Because, you know, I'm from young, crazy niggas. I understand what's going on. I was y'all. I was y'all before. You're trying to hit someone. I'm good. I'm out of here.

You know what I mean? But I always want to embrace the young generation. Well, here's the difference, Doc. I want to ask you this. That's what you got to do, though. That's important to us. See? Like, even me meeting you was, I wanted to say, nigga was I wanted to say nigga

I wanted to say everything I'm saying to you right now and hopefully I did but it would make me a sucker to see you and say I'm a fan of you

and then me go like this what's up baby right right right like nah I wanna go I wanna hug you I want to say yo

you gotta be a fan I love what you're doing but you keep in in a certain way my legacy going you know what I'm saying stuff that I helped build you do. I love what you do. I love what you do. You keep in a certain way my legacy going. You know what I'm saying? Stuff that I helped build. You know what I'm saying?

So let me ask you, Diamond D, because this is what I suffer from a lot. I stopped wanting to give young niggas advice. Maybe I'm a foul nigga. You tell me. No, you got to keep giving advice. But I had stopped

because certain of them, they just would look at me wrong, would just be like, you an old nigga. You ain't got nothing on the radio. You ain't got nothing on the radio. Why should I listen to you? Like, you a dial-up motherfucker. Right. Damn, a dial-up? So I'm like, they going to hear me?

You know what? That's the thing, though. Like, Griselda, like, we are, we are, I told you so, nigga. Yes. Right. That's the thing. That was a great one. That was a great one. I told you are, I told you so, nigga. Yes. That was a great idea. Let me ask you, have you ever been frustrated like trying to give somebody who, like a young producer coming up in the game, you've been through everything a producer could go through.

Right. Have you ever tried to give advice to a young? I only give advice if I'm asked. Okay. I just don't throw it out. You know what I mean? And that's hard too, because you see so much shit going on, you can speak on. That's hard too, when you're just waiting.

If a young producer approached me or hit me in the gram and he ain't talking reckless, I'll answer him. Right. You know what I mean? So that way, it doesn't seem like it's forced upon. And it's going to be received. If they seek some advice, I'll answer them. Right. That's fine.

It's all good. That's fine. Let me ask you the opposite question. Have you ever reached out to an OG and been disappointed? Or a legend? And you want to talk about it. You know what I'm saying? Like who? Let's talk about You know

When the nigga give you that give you that energy like no you ain't you ain't made it here yet nigga I'm saying I see you know how that shit go, but Like I said to me. It's. You know how that shit go, but like I said, to me it's about working hard and doing my shit, but inspiration, but who, I can't even think of who.

But definitely, niggas have definitely shaded me. Of course, niggas shaded me. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy.

This industry is, this industry is. No, but that taught me though, that taught me though, you gotta grind, you gotta show niggas because that's what it's about now. Yeah.

It's enough going on where you can put yourself in a position to do it. You feel what I'm saying? So, like, if you're not doing it, like, who fought us down? You got to make people believe. That's one of my main shits because I pride myself on the team that I built. You know what I'm saying? My team is solid. And niggas wonder

how I did that because nigga, I work harder than them niggas. Nobody gonna work harder than you working your team. You gotta show them niggas. So, you know,

a lot of niggas think being a rapper is being catered to. But that's actually the opposite. You know what I'm saying? It's really the opposite of, you know what I'm saying?

So, you know what I mean? You gotta go stupid with this shit. They don't know that. They think, oh damn, what you supposed to do for me's really the opposite of, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? You got to go stupid with this shit. They don't know that. They think, oh, damn, what you supposed to do for me? What you, nigga, you supposed to make, you got to make a nigga some money

when he supposed to sign you and give you some paper. Right. You got to make these people some money and add the dollars and cents. What's that shit? You probably know. I've been talking about this shit lately.

Like, when a label sign a nigga who they know not going to recoup the money, it's a term for, they got a term for that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? the money. It's a time to play got a tax write-off Yeah, you know I'm saying that's right off to them. It's a tax write-off, but to the parent even they call it something Yeah, I forgot I know it's your mom You know I'm saying but it's like Fuck it, even though they know they gotta spend some money even to have like this type of culture at the label

Well, well, it's like well labels to tell people quite frank labels have a certain amount of money They have to spend every year. So with that being said, they definitely sign people they don't like. They sign you to fail. You know what I'm saying? They sign you to fail. And you got to know who you are. You got to know if you the artist that's there to make the money or you the

artist there to make them tank, to make them flop. Because it's definitely, I definitely sat down with labels who had big artists at their label who just telling me like, man, we got such and such, we got such and such, we got such and such. And that's making me like, I ain't fucking with y'all. Imagine all the artists, you got to ask all the artists we don't know about because that's what you got to ask all the artists we don't know about because that's what you got to ask them. Let me ask you, Diamond D. Recently, P-Rock made it public

that he was suing the Illmatic Estate. Because the rumor has it that he didn't get paid. He didn't get paid. Is that common? It should be. It should common? It should be. It should be.

It should be. It should be common. I don't know. I read he was suing Nas. I don't know the paperwork. I don't know if his deal was between him and Nas Production Company or between him and

Rough House or Columbia. But whoever his deal is with. Because I can almost guarantee you Nod didn't co-sign him not being paid. I'm sure he wanted to,

but 18, 19 at the time, we thinking about, you know, performing and, you know, going to the tournament and shit like that. But it all depends

on who Pete made his deal with. Okay. You know what I mean? And that's where his focus should be. But he just put Nas' name out there.

Right. And you know, it might not even be Nas. Because Nas was a new artist back then too. Yes. That's my point. Because it seems weird

because within these 20 years, we've seen them together. We've seen them hanging out. So obviously it happened on Illmatic. So this is 25, maybe 27 years. How the fuck did shit like that happen? I don't like it. God damn.

I mean, producers have been getting jerked. I'm sure you can speak to this. It's been a problem. It's on your paperwork. The game is built on that. Right. You know, like, you know, we from the era when you was getting like 30,000, 20,000 a track, you know, now, you know, niggas doing beats for like 500, 1,000, if anything. And they're not even hits.

Somebody tell you they pay you on the back and some shit like that. Right. You know what I mean? But it all depends on the agreement you signed. Right. You only want to get what you negotiate for. Right, right, right. So ultimately it's your responsibility that you're saying.

Right. You know what I mean? So, yeah, but I saw that lawsuit. I was like, oh, okay, watch how this play out. Like, I like what you said earlier that, That like how Your deal with the label was fair Yeah it was fair Cause I say that a lot You know what I mean Cause you know niggas speak about The fucked up deals with the labels

But they don't speak about Their fair deals Yeah The regular deals You know when he was on volume No I'm talking about I love my Penalty deal Oh right

My Penalty deal Because a lot of people Didn't really realize Penalty was still an independent That was acting like a major It was Tommy Boy That was behind Penalty And Tommy Boy was an independent and yeah but they had major money was that new that's the other thing that's right yeah and um yeah i had a failed deal like i

i'm not one of these guys that you know did uh major deals with these labels and i had it and and and and not for nothing like, there's people like Fat Joe. That's the same thing, people like Busta Rhymes that was seeking because Busta is a very, he's an expensive nigga, I don't know if y'all really. I'm not saying that nigga, he is. He's an expensive dude. Right, I'm saying that.

You're like, yeah, not nothing he does, it's cheap. If nothing he does, it's cheap. So, Busta, Busta has to be on a label that caters to him.

You understand what I'm saying? So, so, again, I say that to say, I've never really, other than me being on Tommy Boy for that one album,

damn, gotta remember, I got inherited by Tommy Boy he came he came to a meeting he was like so by the way there's no more penalty you guys are just with us he's like what? like how? shit crazy

he changed my whole life it's like somebody's meeting you tomorrow I'll be like yo alright so you're not on

Def Jam no more you're on you're on Pinnacle you're like what like well Pinnacle is a subsidiary

of Universal and you're just sitting there you have nothing to do he already fired him he fired the dude. He planned this out.

The only person that didn't know was us. So God bless you for using this statement and how I'm going to say it. But it was like a slave trade. Damn. See, that's the biggest thing. In a nice way. That's the biggest thing they say about the labels is that the staff switch and shit like that. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, and it changes the dynamic of the momentum of your project in many ways. You understand how that shit feels. That's why when we signed the CBS, when we signed the CBS, I didn't want to be friends with nobody on CBS. Yeah, he made me, I had to go talk to everybody. Because you know how this shit go. You're like, I don't even know me. I don't even want to be cool with you. I like you and shit. They ask you, man, do you want to do this deal? I'm like I don't even know I don't even want to be cool with you they ask you niggas

do you want to do this to you because I noticed that you know when I was going about it like a street nigga meaning I was going out to dinner with people and then they gotta leave they get fired or they gotta move on to this and now I got a relationship with

them you invest in time I invest in time. So moving forward, moving into this podcast game, I was like, I don't want a relationship with nobody. Shit, that makes sense. Fuck it.

And it worked out. Who was over there? The stout? Or no? This is... Where? Where? Tommy?

No, when you lined up over there. Tommy? Well, Tommy, boy. No, Stout was not there. No. It was Tommy. It was Tommy. Tommy? Tom Silverman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to meet him. Yeah. That's why. Tommy boy, you know, it was time

The water the longer niggas being this game that like to me like the colder they get And I'm saying cuz they getting them taller. You come to all the gay tricks and shit. That's what I see I'm saying I told you earlier. I said I Have no expectations. So regardless if I meet somebody that's supposed to be up like Chuck or regardless if I meet somebody that's supposed to be broke like Joe, like a Joe, I don't have no expectations of them. So what I mean is I'll be who I am. And if we can move forward and we can do something, that's beautiful.

But if not, I don't have no do something that's beautiful but if not I don't have no expectations that's when I started to be hurt is when I started to say you know what I need a verse from this guy and this guy changed his number in the middle of me or they don't even change his number you just see my dots you see the dots like he's about to text me back the dots is coming up he's like ah does he universe yet okay so and what i started to say was you know what i can't let that make me who i am i gotta maintain that but it takes a lot because the farther you get and the more you go in this

industry the more people is going to encounter you and they're going to disappoint you. See, you say industry. That's the thing that confuses everything is that we're dealing with an industry and then we're dealing with a culture. And then we blur those lines and we confuse those lines. We got hip-hop and then we got the industry that drives the money-making aspect of hip-hop culture. I'm taking a shot for that. And we just got to understand that those are two different things that meet in the middle,

and we confuse the middle for the thing. That's at least my perspective of it, you know? That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I always say shit, like I was saying this earlier, like, they always say rappers this,

rappers that, they say rappers take this, and rappers do that, but rap niggas do what's in the streets. It's all from the streets. It's all from the streets. It's all from the culture. We just like poster boys for it because you see it on us.

You don't see our neighborhood dope boy. You know what I'm saying? You don't see the baddest bitch from our hood. We speak for them. You know what I'm saying? It's not a rap thing. It's really a street thing, a culture thing, a front thing. It's real talk. That's real talk. That's why I think you know, it's beautiful to see what y'all doing It's beautiful. Um, which you won't be here. Oh

Jerome you come through Do over here. I'm take a shot with Jerome. It's okay, you gotta take a shot. Where's Jerome at? Hey! Look at that, that's a million bucks! Let's bring a cheer for him over there. Let me tell you something. To this day, I'm always, like even when I thought about you guys earlier,

and I said, you know, I spoke about Conway, I thought about you guys earlier and I said you know I spoke about Conway I thought about Tribe Called Quest Fight Lobby dropped today too yeah Fight Lobby what

oh fuck yeah let's be good guys let's be good so so I'll say that just because I want I want

I want I want you to give him some advice if you can oh shit I'm sorry I was just because because I want you to give him some advice if you can. Oh, shit. I'm sorry. I was just going to say a little bit. Because I gave him advice a little.

Meeting with me and Trash, brother. And in order for me and Trash to fix our shit, we both agreed to having four chicken wings and french fries right yeah because that's where we started out with each other that's deep

if you could that's what we did we would have to have to forget what it was if you could see the Griselda movement and you could see how powerful they is

but then we watched this this Conway interview on The Breakfast Club where he's like yo I didn't I didn't this Conway interview on The Breakfast Club where he's like, yo, I didn't sign for no money

or whatever. Whatever he was saying, which is what all of us artists go through. But that single thing could be the straw that broke the camel's back. You as being a part of a legendary group that not only kind of broke up, broke up in the public on the in a hug

In a super ugly way, which I had I had never really seeked that till I watch the documentary I didn't I never knew tip and fight was like that Let me just say, all the time. And we can hear? Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that either. It's also on the documentary. Like, y'all covered that shit up great.

All the shit that you've seen is the worst circumstances I've ever seen. Those are the big-ass flare-ups that you've seen. Okay, I like that. Like, our group is a little different, I guess, from everybody else's because we grew up together from little kids right we weren't same old yeah yeah we didn't get put together like as a group and shit like that or like oh as grown men like you know what i'm saying nah nah we little kids you know what i'm saying so it's like brothers brothers fight all the time right you know what i mean and it looks crazy to the outside but it's not you know they still have love for each other yeah of course of course. The thing, though, that made everything better and patched everything up was, just like you said, us.

I bothered them so much to do the album that they finally was like, yo, let's try to do this album. And which album? The last one? The last one. God, for me. These are great albums. I bothered them so much. It was like, you know, let's do it.

Right. Getting us in a room together, being in a room together is way different than yakking on the phone, sending texts back to back, it's way different. You know what I mean? We said, yo, if this shit is whack, if this shit is whack, we're not putting it out. We would have spent that time together. Right. We would have packed shit up. Right.

At the end of the day, you gotta kind of take your ego out of it and remember what got y'all there in the first place. Damn. No, that's real shit, that's real shit. One of my uncles used to have a saying, you gotta dance with the bitch you brought home. Ball pool on top of me.

Bring that one back, that was a slick one. That was hard. That was a slick one right there. Your uncle said you gotta dance with the bitch you brought me. Mmm. Hold on, tell me. Bring that one back. That was a slick one. That was hard. That was a slick one right there. Your uncle said you gotta dance with the bitch you brought. You brought you to the party? Bringing sand to the beach is okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The bitch, you brought the bitch with you. She got you in the party. That's the one you got to stay dancing with. That's the same thing as bringing sand to the beach. No, it's not at all the same thing. What is that? That's what you took from that. That's what you you got to stay down with. That's the same thing as bring the Santa out of your show. No, it's not at all the same thing. That's what you took from that. Every Santa Beach means you bring a lot to a lot. You know what I'm saying?

Bring the Santa to the beach means I'm bringing my own girl. No, that's not what that means. That's not the same thing. You made an agreement to the heavens and the heavens. Because if you love what you do, I'm sure you get on your knees effect to do the shit yeah you got it yeah you got an honor and responsibility well you got an agreement that you made with what you made with right right right and you will never be right but until you until you do right see I see I see a lot of it because I'm signed to Rizzo the record because I'm gonna be honest before you say. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm going to be honest. Before you say anything, I'll tell you the truth.

And I know all three of y'all, right? Individually. Right. I remember Westside hit me on Twitter. It was like, it's time for Griselda to be on Drink Chats. And I was like, that guy got a couple more years than y'all legends. And I know he was mad at me for that. He a motherfucker. I know he was mad at me for that.

He a motherfucker. I know he was mad at me, but I had to do what Melly Mel did to me. You didn't really have to do what Melly Mel did to you. It was automatic. It wasn't done on purpose. And I said, damn, I could see if he was ever mad at me. I could see right where he's mad at me and why.

And then I said, oh, you can't turn it to the people that you didn't. You didn't like that when it was done to you. But you've got to do a little bit of gatekeeping, though, because that's why shit is like it is now. Yeah, but maybe not the tweet. Right. The tweet could have been a conversation that he could have had. Okay, I'm sorry. I cut you off. So what you was.

No, I was going to say Buzz definitely. I know Buzz. Buzz definitely took that person. I'm sorry, because I cut you off. So what you was... No, I was going to say, Buzz definitely, I know Buzz. Buzz definitely took that person. Yeah. No, he told me, he told me, he told me. He told me, Buzz is a broad nigga, he don't fucking around.

He was like, what? You think this is shit? And I was like, damn, man. Because everyone's definition of a legend is different. Right.

And everyone's a legend in their own right. But like you said, you're right, though. Like I said, I put myself in a position where I earn that disrespect. But what I was, you're right, though. Like I said, I put myself in a position where I earn that respect. But what I was saying is I know exactly, you know what I'm saying, what Conway was trying to say on there.

I got scared. When I saw it, I got scared. Because being, I was going to say this earlier, like being signed to Griselda and being your own person, if you're in a group or something, you know what I'm saying? It's like you want to be known for the credit that you put in it. you know what I'm saying? It's like, you want to know, you want to be known for the credit that you put in it. You know what I'm saying?

That's all it's about. And Conway, that's why he say lines if like, if Wes owned the house, I guess I did the construction. You see, because he want to let people know

like, you know, I helped build this. You know what I'm saying? Even if, any day, as clear as day. But sometimes it don't be like how you said, how MC Shanfield. No, no, but you know what it gave saying? Even if Any day It's clear as day But sometimes It don't be Like how you said

How MC Shan feel No no But you know what it gave me? It gave me RZA ODB vibes Like When you see that

That It wasn't the Rockefeller documentary Or was it When ODB came home And you just see RZA and ODB fall out.

Right, right, right, right. It was probably, I did not want to see that. Right. Like, because I love Wu-Tang Clan. Like, Mimi Ma just told me I'm a gullible motherfucker the other day. I said, I still want to see the original Fat Joe and Terrence Brown together. And she said, stop. She said, stop wishing that.

This shit, like, from our collective, it's like, I go through some shit, too. Basically, like, where people try to say, people make me the underdog of the group or make me try to make me out the little nigga of the group. But that's not Wes O'Conway. That's the people. That's the people. Because, you know,

this shit get crazy. You know, but you always, you know why the people take it like that? You always big up Wes and Conway like that. You always big them up and say, like, those are the dudes that... But you can't let the public and the people bring you out of the group. That's why I don't do it. You speak on your feelings, not on the feelings

of others. That's what I do. That's why I big everybody up. You know what I'm saying? It's people who would have tried to pit me against other artists while I fuck with them. But I never feed into that shit. But we humans. We do feed into all of us. So I understand that it's not between me and Buzz. It's between, you know what I'm saying? And that's the fans.

They try to do that. You know what I mean? It's so crazy because you got Griselda fans. Every Griselda fan is not a Benny the Butcher fan. Right. You know what I'm saying? They start breaking it individually. Yeah, yeah.

You know, just real shit. Real shit. So it's like, as soon as I step a little outside of that, it's like, ah. Right. Like, they waiting for it. Right. They like, no you we don't fuck with you no more or you went this or you went that and that's a part of it so you you

always want to let you always want to let people know like okay well that shit you loves the most nigga that was my idea right you feel what i'm saying and it don't be it don't even be with the parties involved yeah yeah yeah it'd be with the people who be like, damn, shit. So, you know what I mean? Yo, but listen, let me just tell y'all. Y'all got a chance to really make this game better.

Right, right, right, right, right. I don't even know what other way to say it. I just gotta be straight up. I think when he said y'all became the certain generations I told you so

is a perfect analogy for that I was getting a head shot and I said it earlier and I'm gonna say it again I haven't rhymed I haven't tried to put a bar together

in years but just the fact that I started listening to you on the playlist you imagine that you know what get play this, you're passing that? You know what, get your own bottle, Tujarobi. God damn it, come on. Come on, God damn it.

Yeah! Yeah! You're telling shit. You want another one? You can do another one. I'm good, I'm good. Um, uh, yeah, uh... Sonny's not approved at all.

Sonny said he's ace of pros. He's not approved at all. Jay-Z said he does not want him to drink Ace of Spades. That's approved. He's not approved at all. Jay-Z said he does not want him to drink his spade. He did not say you good, sir. But, and again, I know I said this earlier,

but I literally was sitting there getting a haircut just listening to your shit and I just started mumbling words. I just was like, I just started mumbling words and I caught myself I just started and I caught myself I said wait a minute am I trying to be a rapper again but that's what your music does it brings that out of people it touches people that's why I said we can't call it street music right we gotta call it feelings music because I got in my feelings and it champions the MC. Yes. Right.

You know what I'm saying? The champion is the logical evolution of the real shit. Yes. Like, when I hear y'all shit, this is what I expected the future shit to sound like. Right. Right. And that's the joke that y'all was doing. I like to play down with that.

It gives me faith. Like, I gotta disagree with you. I was an old dude. I gotta disagree with you. What you mean? When you said you expect the future to sound like that well he used to expect i thought i thought street music was going die like really you gotta really how can it die if the streets don't die yeah but you know what it was i came out like i explained to him earlier i came out in 1997 and puff daddy had me so heated with this shiny soup

this is dancing even when you were saying. Even when you was saying that shit, even when you was saying that shit, earlier I was thinking like, no, the trenches was locked. Yeah, but you know what? We didn't have Twitter, we didn't have where the trenches could reach out to us. The trenches niggas don't buy albums or go to shows.

That's why we take them out. We gonna talk they shit all day. We gonna talk they shit all day. They don't really come out. They're going to talk their shit all day, but they ain't going nowhere. You know what I'm saying? But to see y'all do it, I'm really, really, really proud.

And I really want y'all, you know, as a crew, to make sure y'all keep it tight. Because there's going to be 99 problems, and there's going to be 99 answers of why y'all shouldn it tight. Because there's going to be 99 problems and there's going to be 99 answers of why y'all shouldn't be together, but it's the one reason. It's just to pay attention to why y'all shouldn't stay together.

And it's because if y'all was broke together, y'all got to stay rich together. That's a fact. That's a fact. You got to stay rich together. Make some noise for that. That's how I look at it. You can't be broke, you can't be motherfucking broken and then get this money and then reach a goal,

reach your dreams and then fall out over no paper. There's not enough motherfucking money in the world. There really ain't. And together doesn't have to be by anybody's definition, but y'all. But people look at it different when they see us branching off doing our shit. Because I'm going to be honest. And I said this to you earlier.

Because it's y'all presented yourself as this perfect. We forgot that y'all humans. Yeah. We forgot that y'all humans. You know what I'm saying? Real shit. Because y'all presented it so well and so great that we sit back and like, alright, cool. We've seen the discrepancies

in Wu-Tang Clan. We've seen the discrepancies in the Tri-Corp Press. We've seen the discrepancies in Mobb Deep. You've seen the discrepancies in Capone and No Reagor. We've all made it publicly in an asshole way. But y'all didn't.

You know what I'm saying? Y'all didn't. So we expect but it's what you gave us. It. But y'all did. You know what I'm saying? Y'all did it. So we expect, but it's what you gave us. It's what y'all gave us as a team. That's the fact. We don't want y'all beating. Like,

you know what the crazy shit was? Ray Kwan, I did a deal with Ray Kwan. And I went on a road with Ray Kwan. And I realized him and Ghostface does not travel on the same bus together.

The shit bothered me, my nigga. I was just like, wait a minute. Why does Ghost have his own bus? Why does Ray Kwan have his own bus? Why the fuck is Ray and Ghost not on the same bus? And I didn't realize that everyone kind of needs they space we still together but they need a space right so that makes it that's component or yeah good

we're going to tour we're going to definitely have our own shit yeah and spend the time with y'all all together. Nah, man, that's a fact. Even when we do got our own shits, that nigga Conway, he gon' always make sure he come to my trailer. You know, he don't gotta do that shit. You know what I'm saying? That's a big buzz. Right, right.

And you know me, that's the first thing I do. I'm going to check in with Wes, you know what I'm saying? Like, I remain my humbleness, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just learned that, you know, this shit's not easy, and it's all about the work that you put in. You just learned that, you said? No, no, no, that's what I, you know what,

I haven't just learned that from being in a situation where my cousin, my blood cousin, tell me like, "'Nigga, I'm about to sign the endoscope. "'I'm from Buffalo, I think we all rich." I did that. Yeah, I did too. You know nigga I'm about to sign the intersco I'm from Buffalo I think I think we are rich other than so I was fully awakened well shit but since 2017 that was five years ago so that's when I learned that I think I got five thousand throws You was on the Ava Rex jacket, a cowboy hat. Niggas couldn't tell me. I was outside. Nigga, that $5. Nigga wasn't wrong when he said,

no money, no problems. He wasn't wrong. No, he was not wrong. Not really, shit. He wasn't wrong. So it's about the hard work you put in. You know what I'm saying? So when the niggas, who I see lasted so long,

all the niggas, like I say, even you, first thing I think about, like, damn, y'all niggas put in so much work. Thank you. First thing I think about, like, damn. Y'all niggas putting in so much work. Yeah. That's the first thing I think about. You know what I'm saying? I don't think about all the shiny shit. I'm thinking about the other shit that niggas go through to be here after so much time. You know what I'm saying?

It's hard because, like you said, when you grow up together and you got to stay together, there's only two things that you can learn from a person in real life. You learn who a person is in two days. One, go to jail with them. And two, go on tour with them. On tour, you will know. That's real shit. You will know every shit that irks you of me.

You will know that within the first four hours. No, BSF, we the wild niggas on tour. That's our position. Wild niggas on tour. I like it. How does this happen? What are we doing on tour? I'm just saying, niggas know me. I got the niggas with me

who I probably shouldn't have with me. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. It's just regular shit. We just going on tour. We having fun, but these are my friends. Right. These niggas, they don't come every time, but we going to come in these times. No, they love it. West, them niggas love it. They know what they're doing. Don't have nobody shooting with fire extinguishers. No, we ain't doing no shit like that. No, no, no, not shooting. Excuse me. Fire extinguishers. I brought one of my friends and then on tour.

Daddy Yankee has never seen me again after this. He won't come over. He won't come over. Now, maybe we got... God bless Daddy Yankee. He's retiring. We need you, Daddy Yankee.

Come over, man. Come on, it's love. No, you'd just be a wild nigga. No, no, it wasn't me. It wasn't me. But listen, I should have stopped the homie. The homie pulled out the big fire sticker

I said you went to First of all You can't just pull it out You got to break some shit To get it This is the shit The fire department come So

I ain't gonna lie Part of me was like Nigga you don't know How to work that You challenged him You know how you say that Teleconnect me You wanted to see What he could do With the water You wanted to see This is interesting My dude You challenged him. I don't know how you say that. Teleconnected me.

You wanted to see what he could do. This is interesting. My dude, he said, it looked like 9-11. The debris, I'd never seen someone turn into a statue. When she came at him,

he hit her with the fire and said, That's crazy. It don't work that way, bro. This is my story, sir. He said, she got an instant concrete machine. Who was there? No one was there. Spider-Man.

I feel like James there, though. That shit ain't a fire station. That's a ray gun. Yo, I'm sitting across from you like this. This is a great story. We got kicked out of the hotel immediately. Immediately. I was actually, when the hotel called my room, I said,

y'all ain't got nothing to worry about. I'm packing up. We out of line. We out of line. Hotels be waiting for you. They be waiting for you to come. And they know niggas on the rabbit tour, they see niggas out on the front smoking and shit. They can't wait. He a scientist,

no smoking. They be on your body when you put up. I had a Warthog story, tried to get me recently. Smoking challenge. God damn. I love y'all Warthogs. Y'all had to relax. They took it off my bill. What's your favorite? Making the music

or performing the music? I gotta say. I gotta? Making the music or performing the music? I got to say, I got to say making the music. I knew you was going to say that. I got to say making the music. I knew you was going to say that. When I'm making the music, I'm on a different type of stage. You know what I'm saying? I'm in the studio. I'm locked in. Don't let it be one of my favorite shits.

Al Derringer, you know what I'm saying? I'm in one of my favorite studios. I'm locked in. I got all my niggas there. It's a different type of performance, you know what I'm saying? I'm in one of my favorite studios. I'm locked in. I got all my niggas there. It's a different type of performance, you know what I'm saying? Then you go in, all eyes on you when you go in there,

you know what I'm saying? Like, real shit. I love that. Yeah, I was a foul nigga when I used to be. I never kicked no one out the booth. Like, I used to be with 14 niggas in the booth. I was the engineer's worst nightmare. I was Haas, look at that, look at that,

engineer right there. Worst nightmare, my nigga, I'll be in there. But it was worse than four Haas's was around. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, I don't know, I loved it, because you know, I started writing rhymes in jail. So, I like chaos. Yeah, man.

I'm a different dude. I need noise You know most niggas need quiet I wanna hear It makes a lot of sense So that's when I started You gotta realize I started writing rhymes And I was in jail

So I couldn't write rhymes To a beat I had to write rhymes through the radio station. So I would write over niggas' beats. That is chaos. That is noise. And then, by the way, this is my cellmate to the left.

He's jerking off. The other nigga to the right is trying to kill himself because he can't go to the yard. The other nigga just got his Hershey's kisses stolen. The other guy is slinging the Hershey kisses that he just stole. Shit was just out of control.

And you bring the album to the right. That's why. The guy drinking the... Listen, I had to block all that shit out and just sit down and just write rhymes and just write over that and put myself out of that equation so that's why I just said

I appreciate your craft I appreciate your art because your art brought me right to where you were but that's what I had to do in jail was write to be home I had nothing else to do in jail, was write to be home. I had nothing else to do.

So I'm writing from the perspective of a person that's home, but I was not home. And that's the reason why I enjoy camp. That's why this shit works. I love this shit. Like, I love chaos. There's an engineer somewhere that worked with you in the past that's like, I hate no more. Now I understand. Oh, no, no, no. And now they're saying, yeah, yeah, you're right.

He wasn't just an asshole. He was a genius. Yes, they know he's saying that right now. Yes, yes. He's got a thousand degrees where we go. Yes, I need it. I need this. I need my friends.

How about that? No, that's shit. I don't want to mix and mingle with anybody anymore. I'm sorry. I want everybody to be with me. Man, let's argue. I don't want to argue with my friends. Fuck that.

I don't want to argue with no one else. No, we're the same way at this shit. All my niggas, they popping up. They don't give a fuck. It doesn't matter where we at. This shit is going to get crazy. Who's someone who gave you love that you didn't expect to give you love? Honestly,

Naff. You know what I'm saying? I mean, Turk's little babe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I seen him at Rolling Louds, you know what I'm saying? You know what? And Lil Uzi. Lil Uzi Vert.

Did he shake his shoulders? It wasn't nothing like that. It was that, uh, at the 40-40 party. I went there and hoed shit on the jet when I went and shit. Make some noise for Matt. Make some noise for Matt. By the way, Uzi is a street nigga. Right, right, right.

He is not who we was in years. So we're moving through. I'm moving through. I'm saying he got a whole bunch of people around him. I got a whole bunch of people around me, but we lock eyes. And he like, you know what I'm saying, on some street nigga shit. They need a butcher. I'm like, you know what I'm saying, sir?

I'm like, you never think Lil Uzi. They need a butcher. I'm taking a shot for that, sir. I'm taking a shot for him. Y'all want some Japanese deli on? This is the stuff. Or Dominican mojuan. Just got thrown out there.

Hey, I like how you plug yourself in. I mean, I'm good myself. This is a homie. I don't make a goddamn dime off of that. He makes it in his bathtub. I don't know how he makes it. Yeah, I believe you. Remember that. Nobody got a chocolate? He's got his bathtub with you. No, no, no, he makes it. I believe you, bro.

What up with that? Nobody got a chocolate? Oh, you know what? Yeah, I'm going to give you this, though. You said he make it a bathtub. This is some funny shit. That's how nutcrackers is made. Nah, shout out to my Moana King.

But he does make it at the crib. There you go. You guys just shot a deli, y'all? I'm ready. I ain't going to play any games, man. I do this shit, man. Cheers, everybody. Cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers. I do this shit.

So what's the ultimate goal now? Everything. I'm saying, you know, I'm... Because you're making your own movie, too, right? Real shit. I got the movie deal with Monarch. E1. You know what I'm saying? Wow. too, right? Real shit, I got the movie deal with Monarch. E1, you know what I'm saying?

Movie deal, soundtrack deal. I'm about to do Conflicted 2. We did that already. So that's my next shit, doing movies. I signed a whole bunch of artists. About to turn my shit to a distribution company like all these other labels do. You know what I'm saying? Real shit, I fuck with a lot of rap names who gravitate towards me. You know what I'm saying? All right. Oh, shit, I fuck with a lot of rap niggas who gravitate towards me, you know what I'm saying?

Produce these niggas' albums, you know what I'm saying? And move around with these niggas and put shows together because like we said, the hip-hop cloth is strong, you know what I'm saying? Right. And that's in all aspects, put these shows together. Like I said, I'm doing numbers at the shows that niggas who got, you know platinum albums doing shows like and that's just

spreadable spread around to the artists and everything so that was funny is it's not no big radio record it's not no big stream so it means you just man is you all you guys fans are like really still getting music the way we put it. Like mixtapes and shit like that. He's not dead. He's not dead. By the way, that's a special thing. That's a special thing. Grassroots

collection. Yeah, grassroots collection. There's no word of mouth. Shout out to DJ Heron, who's one of the promoters that brings you out here a lot. There's not word of mouth no more. There's word of Twitter. There's word of Facebook. Word of Instagram.

And you guys are still, with respect to all of us here, you guys are putting it out the way we put it out. Right, right. From EFN, DJ EFN, Diamond D and D.I.T.C. and Trial Court Quest, y'all are the only people who are putting it out in a traditional way. Right. That's why I feel like everyone is so proud of y'all

is because it's not about the streaming with y'all. It ain't about that shit. It ain't about that, but nigga, that's special, man. And it's bridging a gap.

Yeah. They made it seem like everything was about the streaming. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know, the merch, the merch is a gap. They made it seem like everything was about the streaming. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know, the merch is a thing. We started, we didn't invent vinyls. But they said you still made the merch.

You know what I'm saying? Hell yeah. We do that type of thing. And that's what I do. You know what I'm saying? You got to think with the homies that do it. And that's nothing. Because that's how

this shit, that's how this independent shit was built. Or that's how the Griselda shit was built on. It was built on doing everything. You know what's fucked up? We made t-shirts that gave it away. Damn. You know what I'm saying? That's what niggas say. Damn, we ain't had a t-shirt.

We ain't had a t-shirt. We ain't gonna lie, I'm hating a little bit. You got too comfortable. You got too comfortable. I'm looking at all the new artists and shit and I was like damn, I never even thought. You know what's funny? I used to spit on t-shirts and give them away. I went to the Tyler show, 100,000 t-shirts. Yeah.

Lying halfway around the arena. And they gonna buy the motherfuckers. They gonna buy the motherfuckers. You feel what I'm saying? And meet and greets, people underestimate them. Meet and greets, people wasn't doing that. Like, shout out to Tech N9ne and Strange Music, they was doing that when everybody was down, they was up.

By the way, when they should tell me to do meet and greets, and they'll pay me for a meet and greet, I always turned it down. I always felt like I was jerking the fence I didn't realize the fans were jerking me Like all new artists do it really again, there's another 18, you know And they go out they meet these kids they have somebody come in have to take a pair of chicha and then sit them out That's it. And nobody's saying they Hollywood nobody's they like, have to take a pair of chitchat, and then send them out. And I said,

ain't nobody saying they Hollywood. Nobody. They're like, no, no, no. This is a part of the everyday culture. And I'm like, you know what? That's what they do. The fans want to pull up on you just to... Yeah.

And you know what? I do them shits all the time. I just did one. Right. Me too. Yeah, and a lot of... Sometimes it's producers. They just got the...

They got the little flash drive on them, and they want to hand it to you. Oh, yes. They use that to network and they want to hand it to you they know you can hang your team there like you say I'm rolling but all these niggas they got these niggas they like you I'm trying to get Benny to speed or I got this brand I want to have that opportunity lucky and find a next year yeah. And a nigga like me, like I said, a nigga like me, I'm in a dirt, I'm in a mud with this shit. I like to connect with the fans and connect with the,

you know what I'm saying, the people who really champion this shit. You know what I'm saying? These people meet me, they be like, yo, I was fucking with you in 2017. And they took this ride with me. You know what I'm saying? It's like we share this shit, you know what I'm saying? It's like we share this shit. You know what I'm saying?

Right. They seen this shit for every moment. What are we doing with your music? They said that you dropped your first in 2010. Yo, I dropped my first. I dropped,

like I just dropped 10 to Talk 4 in motherfucking, March 11th, right? Mm-hmm. I dropped 10 to Talk 2 in August 2005. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? So Google got it wrong. Who's got it wrong? They got it fucked up. If that's what they say, they got that shit all fucked up. You got to stop talking to Google, man. You know what I'm saying?

Are we about to say follow this shit? We've been doing this shit. A bunch of mixtapes. Mixtape era, we've been doing this shit. So it's like, to make it to this point, you know,

it means a different thing to us. That's why we carry it the way we carry it. You know what I'm saying? What's the best mixtape era? Dipset? Are you talking about artist mixtape? Artist mixtape. Artist mixtape era.

Be correct on how you say it. Dipset, yeah. G-Unit. It's one that I'm missing somebody on. Who? You said Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne? Who? No, but you say mixtape.

Lil Wayne, he does it in the artist mixtape. So hard. Who is it? It's G-Unit, Dipset. What about the Clue? Early 2000s. What about the Clue shit? No, that's the thing.

He's talking about artists, though. That's what I'm saying. No, it's artists. Okay. Who else? I can't believe it. I'm forgetting. He skipped the real mixtape.

It's classic. It's classic material. Check, check, check. Check, check. Check, that's what I said. Who else? I can't believe it, I'm forgetting. He skipped the real material. All this classic material. Classic material, check check, classic material, Instagram. No, no, no, the artist, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because, hold on, let me look at the classic material. CJ had just posted it and I thought it was a great...

He said, he said, he said G-Unit. Yes. I'm trying to think of looks trying Collectives that don't mix tapes. There's not many no No, you can't bring up class material Wayne Wayne Wayne Is between him and 50 to me that was like the artist mixtape era they Wayne mixtape era. Between him and 50, to me, that was like the artist mixtape era. They ushered that in. It's G on that dip set.

Definitely the dips. I mean, being from where I'm from, the dip set, that shit going crazy. That's San Joel, San Tennis. That's who it is. The locks. The locks. Yeah, the locks. What's your favorite mixtape era?

By the way, you might have to take a shot for this, even though Quicktime is locked. I'ma say, like I said, I'm taking the shit that was personable to me. Like hearing Joel Santana, Human, crack in the flesh, knowing me and him was around the same age, that made me feel some type of way. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, I can this that was that that struck the hood definitely we with chic silverback gorilla all of that with the dip with uh all bank all lloyd bank that's my but uh here and here and here and l's go and knowing that he was around the same age yeah seeing what he was

doing you know that even motherfucking watching another bad creation back in the day watching them seeing those boys my age ABC

ABC that make niggas want to do it like you watch people your age do that shit that shit crazy you was their age when they was doing it

no no like when another bad creation was on TV they was kids I was a kid Thought you would ever say that. Yeah, that's what he said. Oh, my God.

Actually, they reached out to me on TickTack. For ABC? Oh, they more than welcome. Yeah, yeah. Get them niggas on here. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I forgot to shout out and be clear up

because he was very much there for me. But I needed Chico DeBarge. Oh, my word. Yes, Chico, I don't know where you at. I don't know what you're doing. Oh, yeah. But please don't... He was on the album.

He was on your first album. He was on N.O.R.E. album. I heard Chico's a real one. No, listen, I worked with him because I was like, this is DeBarge's jail? And I just loved it. I was like, fuck that.

I want to work with the gangster one. So I reached out to Chico. I reached out to Chico. And that's just like fuck that I want to work with the gangster one And I'm actually never really like we never really seek each other Like yo, like, you know, just it's people like that that I want you to always um to recognize it's certain people that's gonna fuck with you

like you said it earlier but it's certain people that's gonna fuck with you because there's genuine love and there's other people that's gonna fuck with you because you are the person to fuck with

you are the person to stand next to like you gotta you gotta be clear of who is who and who is who at what times because it's not their fault they're being who they're gonna be right i told you to be who you're gonna

be so you gotta know like there's certain people that's gonna come they ain't gonna want money they ain't gonna want they just gonna want to genuinely want you to win that's one that for new artists that's one of like that's one of the biggest things of this shit is realizing who's who and what's what and and how personal you take it. Right. Yeah, so I always want you to know that because there's going to be some real ones, but they might have the same approach as the fake ones. Right, right, right. They might have the same exact, they might say the same exact thing.

Yo, I love you. I fuck with you. You're a good one. You're a good one. You're a real one. But then there might be a fake person that comes and does the same exact generic greeting. It's on you to understand who is who. It's not even on your friends. It's not even on the homies.

It's like, because you're going to understand that handshake. You know when you get a good handshake. And you know there's something funny about it. And there's something like, and... Because this is a beautiful, sick, foul, fucked up game. Usually when you don't... I love that. Usually when you don't do that favor for niggas,

that's when who they... That's when they turn into who they really who they really are, like, you know, I'ma hang around this nigga till I can, till I can get a come up. That's why time reveals everything. And if that come up don't come, I fuck this nigga, you know what I'm saying? Then the energy change, you know what I'm saying?

Time reveals everything, man. Real shit. Lil, anything you wanna say before we get about that? I ain't no one to say, I'm one of the top niggas in this shit. Let's talk that talk! Let's talk that talk! forget about that I don't want to say I'm one of the top niggas in this shit we're clear on that yeah you know after after my catalog for the people who know I'm saying after you go back and look at that shit you go back and look at what

I've been doing the Griselda will be banging did. I'm one of the top niggas in this shit. And what y'all doing. Exactly. And to be honest with you, not because what I'm saying or not because

I'm the best rapper, but it's because my niggas who could rap just as good as me or better than me, I'm cooler than them niggas. I'm more authentic than them niggas.

And that plays a part, you know what I'm saying? And for all of those reasons, I'm who I am and to be like that I'm going to tell you something all eyes is on you this debut

at Def Jam again and I know you ain't taking this for granted I know you ain't I know you ain't a slouch I know but

for us for people who came from the generation, we need you to go all the fuck out. Like this, right here. Look at this right here. Oh, you're giving us a speech. No, no, no. I'm going to ask you to read this. What's your season?

What's that? Right there? I'm saying like shit's that? Right there? So I'm saying like shit like that? Yes, I'm talking about shit like that. I'm talking about shit like that. Because I'm sorry to put this

I'm sorry to put this burden on your back but we need you to go all out. We need you to take this shit real because you represent all of us at this table. We need you to take this shit real because you represent all of us at this table. You represent hip-hop. You represent lyricism

that has been dying in this culture. You represent culture that has been dying in this culture. Right. You represent all that. Right, right.

And I say that to say we got your back. But don't... Do not slack up a moment, not even a little second, because the people who hate our culture, the people who hate lyricism,

the people who hate feel it music, but you can feel it in your soul. Those people who hate it, they gonna be the number one cheerleaders. Right, right, right, right. Outside San Diego. And that's what I want these other rap niggas to know, like you know this, this N.O. right here. You Outside. And that's what I want these other rap niggas to know. Like, you know this.

This N.O. right here. Right. You see what he's saying to me? Yep. It's like, these niggas don't got that pressure over the legends like, carry this shit. Please carry this shit.

These niggas is willy-nilly doing what they doing. Yes, yes. You know what I mean? Yes. Pressure comes with that. When you bump it, when this nigga say that,

when a nigga like KISS say that, niggas like y'all, you know what that mean. That's the stamp. Yes. How many niggas you see these niggas like y'all, you know what that mean, that's the stamp. How many niggas you say these niggas stamp? Like you said. Yeah, but they ain't fucking with the niggas. Exactly.

So we understand what that mean, I understand what that mean. You understand the assignment now. And we gonna carry it. No, no, we gonna carry it. Carry it, Tuckman. Boss. You said carry it, Tuckman? Carry it, Tuckman. You said Carrie and Tuckman? Carrie and Tuckman.

Oh. So, I love it, man. I love the fact. So, what are producers that you ain't worked with yet that you would like to work with? I need to work with Pharrell. Pharrell. Definitely.

I want to work with EA. Definitely. I want to work with... Oh, want to work with oh you never got nothing done nothing oh shit nothing it was just good

Timberland yes uh motherfucking just everybody who got some dope shit everybody who got something dope shit

you know you know like I gotta get shit in with the legends like I said I'm trying to bring it to the table. You got to wear it right here. You can't bring it back. I can't bring it back. I can't bring it back. You know, you know, like, I got to get shit in with the legends. Like I said, I'm the y'all, I told you so. Bring my name up when y'all arguing with these niggas. Yes, we do. Bring my name up. You later that, sir.

We do. We do. We do that. We've been doing that. We've been doing that. You know what I mean? You can see it on the trip, champs. You can see it on the always.

I like that you keep that energy. Yeah. I'm going to carry with on me always. I like that shit. Keep that energy. Yeah. I'm a carry man. Yes. Because, I mean, that's really it, man. It's, you know, I'm going to end it with this. Let me start with you. Have you ever fell out of love with music?

Nah. That's hell. Nah. Never, not once? Nah. Never's hell. Never, not once? Nah, never. How about you, Jerovi? Never. Never?

You know what, maybe I should have asked this question differently. Have you ever felt out of love with the music business. For the game. A million percent. I can say for me, a million percent. That is an easier answer. I think everybody goes through situations, you know what I mean? But the game was the game before we got into it.

Right. Talk that shit. Talk that shit. Like I said, it all goes back to What you negotiate You can't live in a world Of well I should have got this I should have got that

You don't get what you negotiate But to answer your question Nah Not even the games I fell in love without The music Music never That's my answer. I fell in love with the music. Music never. That's why I wrote the question wrong.

Music never. I don't think I've ever fallen in love with music. But the business, the more I learned, the more I was like, why am I even involved with this shit? Right, right, right. Like, this is the worst alone you could ever get. Because what I tell niggas is, like, just because you got the talent or just because you got whatever, like, this might not even be for you. Exactly.

This shit ain't for everybody. You know what I'm saying? This shit ain't for everybody. You know what I'm saying? Even, like I said, from being here, like,

I see like, why the niggas who was dope who not, you know what I'm saying? Because it wasn't for them. And from being an artist, I don't even, I don't even shade that. Because I feel like a lot of the shit that I go through on my little level,

these niggas, it's hard to deal with this dumb shit. Every generation gets a ball. They get a little bit further. And us as OGs have to salute that. The problem is the young homies probably don't salute the OGs back. But this is why I want to make it even. So I want you to finish. So you have fell in love.

You fell out of love with the music business. Oh, absolutely. Can you explain that? Um, having to have a middle man to go between you and the fans that don't even understand what both sides of the table are talking about, that's kind of difficult to have people talk about. Yes. You know what I'm saying? We know. Because we, I mean, we have an agreement on our things.

Yes. You know what I'm saying? We have an agreement. I know what I on our offense. Yes. You know what I'm saying? We have an agreement. I know what I'm supposed to fucking do. You know what I'm saying? When people are like, in between, that's trying to, you know. It's kind of frustrating sometimes. No.

We need a better word than frustrating. And you, this is your first major release. But have you ever, like, when you really understood the business or started to understand the business, have you said, yo man, this is some whack shit? Hell yeah. Okay. Hell yeah.

Nah, real shit. That's what I understood. I'm like, damn, this some bullshit. Right. Because even when I see Carly on The Breakfast Club, he said pretty much the same thing.

Signing with Shady wasn't all that he thought it was cracked up to be. And it made me think like, damn, so many people think that when you sign to a label, you're supposed to get an Eminem verse. Right, right right right right to build a chain they trying to drink chance supposed to get a norway exactly like what Irv told you like you're not actually

you actually have to but that's what I learned from that situation that okay niggas ain't gonna give you shit right they just gonna give you a select things that you need to fill in the blanks. Right. But that's what I learned. Like, damn, this shit ain't cracked. This ain't what the people think. And sometimes we feel like we held under the people what they think. You know what I'm saying?

But they don't know shit. The fans don't know shit. Let's talk about that. They don't know shit. Yeah, but they think they know all shit. Because they don't know what's going on behind the scenes. You know how many fans be telling me, yeah nigga, we know what you did.

And they also know you in the Illuminati. You in the Illuminati, man. That's like the most disrespectful thing you could say. You in the Illuminati. What do you mean I don't work hard? Like I don't work hard? Like none of this shit? Like none of this shit? Like you don't see none of this shit? That's what I'm saying. They don't know shit.

Like a big thing, but I hear fans say, it's what I'm saying. They don't know shit. Like a big thing. But I hear fans say, it's like, yeah, this nigga, this nigga work for Roc Nation. Yeah, nigga, your boss, you work for Roc Nation. Jesus. That's what they say.

That's what they say when they're trying to degrade me. That's why I said Jesus. That's your management. That's your management. You know what I'm saying? You pay your management. Your management work for you.

Exactly. They don't understand it, but that's what they say when they're trying to degrade you. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, this work for you. Exactly. They don't understand it, but that's what they say when they're trying to degrade you. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, this shit get crazy. Yeah, that was crazy.

Passive aggressive shit. Being down with Violator. Violator was like that too. Like, if you was down with Violator, but you off down with Roc Nation, so you're Illuminati too. We was over there. We was over there.

I got that. I got that. They always thought that if you was down with Violator, you was down with got that. I got that. I got that. They always thought that you was down with Violator, you was down with Illuminati. But that was not the truth. Baby Chris was a great fucking person. He was, he single-handedly knew how to hustle.

So it made it look like it. But I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something that I said to this morning. This morning, called me. That's my guy. And I said, you know that I said to this morning. That's for any Really anywhere If you just not lit They can't get you lit Right well listen This some real shit though

Who wanna be at Roc Nation Not hustling Not hustling Not hustling Who wanna be over there Like you know like The big dog Get to see the sheep

Yes You know what I'm saying Who bring it in the what Who wanna be over there Not hustling That's how I look at it Yeah Doing yourself a disservice Not real shit Real talk Real talk hustling? That's how I look at it. Yeah.

Doing your own service. Real talk. Real talk. Because I mean, that's what it was like in Violator. We all was Violator. That's what it was

in Violator. Violator is saying, I'm going to keep you lit and I'm going to get you lit. But you got to go out and do it. Exactly. And once you do it,

and that's what I feel like Rock Nation is. I feel like that. What's the perks of being in the industry Right now What's your favorite I asked you about

Performing and Making the music But what's your favorite Overall Being in the music industry I'm not gonna lie It should sound cliche But

You know I'm 37 years old I'm an older nigga Like it's Being accepted Amongst my peers Right You know what I'm saying

That's That's still one of my shits Right N You know what I'm saying? That's an honorable fucking answer. That's still one of my shits. Right. Niggas like you, ho, snoop, diddy, crazy.

You know what I'm saying? Like, let's be real here. You know what I'm saying? Like, I listen to all y'all niggas, so that just let me know I'm on the right path.

That's fine. You know what I'm saying? When I look at the round table and see who around me and see what's going on. So shit like that. That's a fire answer, man. And you know what?

On the low, it's the hottest answer. Because like I said earlier, we all wanted to be recognized by the generation before us. That's it. I know you got stories. That's the only reason to do it. Listen, this is it, man. One of my favorite rappers is Granddaddy IU. Nobody knows why, because I don't sound like Granddaddy IU at all.

But back then, that was it. The person that you love, you don't want to sound like him. No, not at all. So a lot of people always say, I see that Granddaddy is my favorite rapper. I'm like, nigga, I can't hit Granddaddy at you and you at all. But he said a line, changed my life. He said he knew a girl named Kenya from West Virginia and boy would he like to stick something in her. Are you still nice?

Still nice. I said, I want to do whatever that nigga did. I don't know what that shit was right there, but that shit had me going. So I say that to say it's the same thing.

I want to give this culture back so much love. This culture has actually saved my life two to three times. I literally am hip-hop's child. I'm literally, I'm 44 years old.

I think hip-hop is 46? Or 47? 47. So that means I listen to hip-hop in my struggle. Like, I know this. Because if you cut me, hip-hop coming out.

I love this culture. So this is where I get to give love back. So that answer, I'm saying this to say, that answer you just said, it's not how I would answer that question, but it's how I would answer life. Oh, real shit. You know what I'm saying? That's how I would answer life because I dropped out of seventh grade. I'm dyslexic.

There's no way I'm supposed to make money off of words. No real shit. This shit an industry, this shit a factory. Yeah, yeah, I think, think, think about it. I'm dyslexic. And I dropped out of the seventh grade. So words is supposed to be the last thing I make money from. It picked you.

And I got a chance to rhyme in front of the world. I got a chance to perform in. The whole world. I've traveled the world seven times. That's crazy. Real talk. And I took it for granted. I used to complain about being in Paris. What the fuck is this, man? I wanted to perform at Club Speed, nigga.

I ain't gonna perform in Paris at the time. They want to perform in Dürfendorf, Germany. Sorry to change the subject, but it wasn't until I met my wife that my wife said You ain't never gonna get planned About being in Paris again You gonna enjoy this motherfucker We going to the Eiffel Tower

All that Getting a lock We going to lock George I had to make a lock That was just some real sucker shit We put a lock They don't know about Lock Ridge I don't know any more magic

Nigga Nigga Don't get me by myself. What is that? It's called lock bridge. You don't know what lock bridge is. So you and your lady take a lock

and you put it on a lock bridge and you lock it on a lock bridge and you take the key to it and you throw the shit at the bottom of the shit and it's supposed to be as long as that lock stays there you and your lady supposed to be together forever it's the most suckery shit I ever did in my life. I did it. I did it. I went. I did not I mean let me be careful I want to go home tonight so I did not understand it until I came home and people we had the pictures of it.

People was like, yo nigga, you with Lockbridge? I was like, yo, what the fuck you tough ass niggas fucking up my Lockbridge for? You know what I'm saying? And I realized, and then my mother called me and I'm beefing with a promoter. The promoter put me in a hotel where I'm on the seventh floor and my DJ's on the fourth floor and we're talking to each other. I'm like, yo, Burt! He's like, what up, man? Horrible hotel. My mother called me and my mother said,

your phone is ringing funny, baby. I said, mom, I'm in Paris. My mother said, I get my left leg to be in Paris. You know what I'm saying? Here I am complaining being in Hollywood. Right. Real shit. Then I started to enjoy life. I started to do that. And this is

what hip-hop gives you. Opportunities. This is what hip-hop gives you. Hip-hop makes your vacation home Paris. And you can say no and not accept that love or you can accept that love.

So I say that to say thank you to my wife. I know she's not here. I'm not in the doghouse, guys. I'm not in the doghouse. We're actually on a great level. But I remember if it wasn't for her, I was looking at it as if I wasn't performing in the tunnel. I wasn't performing in Club Speed. I wasn't performing in Copacabana. I wasn't performing in Latin

Quarters. So I was hated because you get a time where America is going to cut you off. America is going to say, nope, you won $50,000? Nope. You won $ 50,000? Nope. You want 25? Nope. But guess what? But go to Europe. They're going to still love you. They give you Euros. They give you Euros.

All that. Yes. But don't be like me. Me, I was like, fuck this. And I was, I was, I. I'm going over there for the first time. Yes. Next month.

You know what I'm saying? That's a beautiful thing. For the first time. Build the same foundation. And I tell you. Gas globe. And I tell you. We going to Paris.

We going to fucking Amsterdam. We going. I forgot where else we going. We going to some other shit. And I tell you another thing. I tell you another thing. I'll tell you another thing. Nas made this album called Hip Hop Was Dead.

And when he made that album, that was when I was touring Europe. And that was the only thing I ever said to Nas. I said, it's not dead. It's in Europe. They still break dance out there. They still write graffiti out there. They still... They actually still have. They still write graffiti out there. They still... Crazy.

They actually still have the five elements of his rap. And respect it. And respect it. More than anything. So, I can't wait for you to go, yo. I can't wait for you to continue to do what you're doing.

Because I know I said it 15 million times, but I'm going to say it 15 million more. You make niggas like us proud. We want you to keep the culture alive exactly how y'all doing it. The way y'all doing it with the super dope lyrics, feeling music.

If you was to ask me, if you was to ask me, what could I, if you was to ask me right now, what could you do better than you already doing? I would say no comment. Because I feel like you're doing everything right.

And I want to tell you that to your face. As a man. Because that shit makes me real proud. It makes me real proud. I appreciate it. It makes me real proud. And in case, you know, no other legend or OG or whatever you want to call it,

they never said that to your face. I want to say it, and I don't want to say it to your face behind the scenes because I said it to your face behind the scenes. That's a fact. I'm going to say it to your face in front scenes. I said it to your face behind the scenes. That's a fact, Mr. Fathom. I'm going to say it to your face in front. This beautiful show that I built that was keeping legends alive and keeping people who belong to this culture,

giving them a platform, giving them a voice to say. And I have to say it in front of those cameras the same way I said it to you off the cameras. And we really appreciate you. Hip-hop has got your back. Yes, sir. I love it. Hip-hop got your back.

Like I say, carry your tummy. You know what I mean? Carry your tummy. We love that shit. You know what I'm going to do? Yes. I love it. Before we get up out of here, because I feel like you got something to say to the people, isn't it?

Is there anything you want to leave them with last? Just, you know what I mean? Like, we got a lot to bring to this shit. You know what I'm saying? Griselda, the Black Soprano family, Drumworks. We got a lot to bring to this shit. This shit is just going to get greater later. We've been on ascension for five years.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And we're going to keep doing that as long as we're moving forward, as long as the collective is getting bigger. Right. You know what I'm saying? I just hit number 22 on the billboards.

That was the result of this biggest shit. Wow. You know what I'm saying? As long as we're moving in directions like that. So, of course, with the Def Jam shit, we're reaching for higher. Yes. You know what I'm saying?

So, just shit like that, we just going to expand this shit. Yes. I think, what's my man's name that took over the presidency? Tunji. Tunji. I seen Tunji the day

that he took over the presidency. I took a picture of him. We took a picture. He was like, they had a secret Def Jam party. I wasn't invited, by the way. I had like, went to the wrong door and shit. I was like, secret death jam party. I wasn't invited, by the way. I had like went to the wrong door and shit.

I was like, oh shit. We took a picture. And I think he's going to do right. I think he understands the culture. I heard a number of good things about him. Listen, the guy's a great guy. But I think he understands the culture. And I think that's what everyone wants to do.

Is do right by hip-hop. Right, exactly. The basic essence of hip-hop, which means bars. Exactly. So when a label like Def Jam seek out a person like me, you already know the intent. You're not going to respect that. You're not going to respect that. So before we get up out of here, was it Snoop?

Snoop called you direct and said, so let me before we get about here was it snoop snoop called you direct and said yo you just say it earlier but how was that initial first call what where was you at how did snoop get your number i went uh i wanted to go holler at snoop oh he was at the studio okay he was saying he was at the studio in new york city okay and i went there uh what i can't remember the studio but it's like it's like a dev jam studio And Snoop told us this story. Yes, and I went to the studio. He had a beat plan And I already know like I'm like I killed his me Right, you know saying like he end up asking me to rap over the beat and I and I rapped over the beat

and that shit was all the algorithm album and it's like He that's the record you bust up and album, the album. And it's like, he... That's his record, You, Busta... And Kiss. And Kiss, okay. Basically, like, Snoopy, he like told me, he got me on the phone with Jeff Houston. You know what I'm saying? Where me and Jeff like, you know what I'm saying, discussed the terms.

You know what I'm saying? What was on my mind, you know what I'm saying? Because I never got to, you know, Jeff, I guess through my managers, I was talking to somebody and he was talking to whoever, you know what I'm saying?

So we just talked about it. And you know what's crazy? I'm going to be honest with you. They don't, I hope I ain't saying nothing wrong, but they don't like when I say this shit.

Cool. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, they don't like when you give, when you just say what really went on I think you're incorrect when it says that I think they just want to seem like the bigger person As long as you bring them up in the story, it's good But let me just say something the reason why I snoop is a perfect thing

Sometimes it happens like that sometimes out of town has got a show New York is me. I'm not feels I don't think it's a town or thing. It's happens like that. Sometimes out of town has got to show. New York is how it feels. I don't think it's a town or thing. It's a hip hop thing. It's really like a transparency thing with me because I'm not motherfucking Jay-Z or Lyra Cohen or Steve Stout or them niggas. I'm who I am. I don't know the business in and out like that, so I fuck with what makes me feel comfortable. Right. First and foremost, whatever I'm comfortable with.

Take a shot for that. You know what I'm saying? Take a shot. I'm done taking shots, nigga. Come on, you got one more deli on left in you. This is the last one. This is the last one. This is it.

This is it. One more deli on left in you, baby. I got the Japanese deli on. One more, that's it. Yo, man, Benny, like I said, we're very proud of you. We want you to continue to do what you're doing. You're keeping the legacy alive.

You're keeping the form of real hip-hop alive. We want to say we respect you. We salute that. Thank you for coming. We got the legends. The legends. You know that. Diamond D here.

You know what I mean? Bufalado, Butcher Breath. Bufalado. Bufalado. That's what's up. I ain't going to lie. You don't want this back, right? Because I'm not giving it back.

No, no. Smoke that. This shit is right in my heart. Smoke that. I hope this wasn't props because I'm taking it home. This shit is right in my heart. We still get it from our own table.

That's what Snoop did the other day. Snoop was like, Niggas took everything. I'm like, all right. So we got to be happy. So, yo, to Diamond D, Benny the Butcher, Drink Chance, everyone who came here,

everyone who clapped and made some noise, the hip-hop, we love you. This is it. Dale Garo. Dale Garo. Take a picture. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by yours truly, DJ EFN and NORE.

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