Drink Champs - Episode 313 w/ Pusha T

Episode Date: May 6, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legendary Pusha T! Our fellow Drink Champs Alumni joins us once again. Pusha T talks about his latest project “It’s Almost Dry” produced by Pharrell & Kanye West.  Pusha also talks about the future of lyricism in Hip-Hop, working with JAY Z and much more!  Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Drink chance, motherfucker, yappy Make some noise I'm gonna be honest When we introducing this next guest He has been sipping from the fountain of youth for about 20-something years. He's not aged at all. He looks the same.

His bar level has increased and increased and increased. It's not to say that he's selling more drugs, but the rap has been getting better and better. If there's something called

rap steroids, pretty sure he invented it. Better and better with time. He's been able to fulfill the dream that I always wanted to do. I always wanted to have Pharrell and Swizz Beatz produce the whole album. But he got someone, he got Pharrell and Kanye, something I never even thought of. I mean, this album is really, really like fine wine.

I mean, he comes from my era, so I wanted to critique it. I wanted to find the flaws in it. I wanted to be like, yeah, well, you ain't do this, this, this. Oh, you ain't do this. It's not there. It's not there, people. I try to analyze it. I try to analyze the something. And it's not there.

This album is excellent. So then when you hear the man who represents black excellence, Diddy comes on and trust me, if he ain't getting paid, he don't promote shit. We've tried. And he gets on there and says, this is the album. This is it. We're not playing around out here.

This man has been able to maintain the level of what is the relevancy in different eras without being old. It's crazy. From Cash Doll to whoever he can work with. To Kendrick he can work with.

And stand the test of time. In case you don't know who the fuck I'm talking about. We talking about the one, the motherfucking only Pusha motherfucking T. Yeah! I can't lie to you, Pusha. I really did look at the

album. And I wanted to do it not as a friend. I don't want to say as a journalist, but yeah, let's say that. I wanted to look at it with someone where I could be like, man, he's... And it was one thing that I did. And then it shut me up.

I said, damn, he don't got no radio record. And then the little Uzi Vert came in and just smacked me. Shut the fuck up, Lord. How do you maintain that? Because it's hard, bro. bro and especially getting money the more money we get the hunger goes away yeah that's true so i mean yeah man i ain't been hungry in a long time all right i know so how do you maintain that on that mic level man i'm I've made it my business to first of all I only know how to rap one way I only know lyric driven metaphors rap street rap that's

it you're comfortable with that and that's what I'm comfortable right I know if I step outside of that I'm gonna going to look like a clown. Right. That's just not me. Right. You know, but I only know how to do it one way. So I've made it my business to make sure lyrically it stays up, you know, it can stand up against whatever's popular out there as well. Like that's how I attack it. I listen to everything that's going on musically. I actually, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I like her. But, um, but you know, um, I listen to all

the, all the young, all the young, all the young music and, um, and listening to it while I'm writing, I'm definitely thinking like, man, how, how can these flows, how can these bounces, how can the things that I'm saying, you know, still relate to them, still relate to them and they get it or they just respect it. It's not, you know, it's like the same way I can't do what they do. Right. I'm pretty sure they can't do what I do either. But we got to respect each other's craft. Right. And that's how I attack it.

Right. Because there was something like I seen the Call of Ray video on the Breakfast Club. Yeah. And there was something that Charlamagne said that really hit me.

He said, one thing you can never really like praise too much is youth. Right. Because if you're really good, your youth goes. Right.

You understand what I'm saying? Right, yeah. Don't get it twisted, you could be young forever like you said, you could be young forever but is that something that you pride yourself on is because you know, the longevity like, we didn't...

Coming up, we didn't realize damn Q-tip this is you know, praising Q-tip we didn't realize they're here 15 years. We didn't realize and we didn't realize how hard that was. Is that something that you meditated and thought about, or is that something that just came naturally?

Well, it's been part of my race. I put this, this has been in my plan. This has been a part of my race. You know, when I think about all the greats that I ever loved, everybody who was, like, popping. I mean, you know, everybody I tried to all the greats that I ever loved, everybody who was like popping, I mean, you know, everybody I tried to young and trying to dress like and put on clothes, like cut my eyebrows and all, everything I did, right? Like Daddy Kane.

Yeah, of course. Of course. When I think about it, they only had three joints, three albums, maybe five. If you look at the verses between Kane and KRS, you kind of realize like, damn, Kane only probably had three albums. Like maybe. Wow. Maybe. Whose fault do you think that would be? Theirs as an artist or the industry at the time? Nah, I think it's, I think it's i think it's um

well this is this is my theory on that um i'm gonna say it's their fault artistically um but i'm gonna say this the era in which they came up in was so good it was the golden age the golden era the greatest music still think about it we still taking fashion right yeah cues from then absolutely you know what i'm saying we still it's still all from them so when everything that came after them versus embracing it i feel like they were more like yeah but it ain't like what we did right you know i'm saying it ain't like how we was rocking and i feel like that you know when you have that that mentality and that energy you um it sort of ages you out and it and it stifles it stifles the progression of what you could be doing

right you know i'm saying i think, in all honesty, I think that, I want to say that from before that era, or from that era, I want to say Hove is probably the only one who did more reaching out or, yo, I'm a rock with, whether it was, you know,

internally with the Young Philly dudes on rock, versus doing the features with whoever you... You're talking about maintaining that level of legendariness and still being... Tapping into that younger energy, that youthful energy. Competing with it.

Listen, Pusha, that's very hard because when they're calling you a legend or they're calling you an OG they're also calling you old. For sure. And what's wrong with that? What's wrong with that?

No, no, no, no, no. There's nothing wrong with that by the way. But the youth looks at that as a crutch. They doesn't look at that as a shield.

They don't look at that as a sword. They look at it as a handicap almost. Like if you look at that as a sword. They look at it as a handicap almost. Like, if you look at the interview like with Corey LaRache, he's dropping out and she can't understand

why Charlemagne keeps bringing up Pusha T. And she's like, well, how old is he? Is he like 900? It's like, no. Like, no, he's 40 and 40 is like great to be 40.

Like, if you're 20 years old and I know Corey LaRache so big, uh-uh. Right, no, for sure is, like, great to be 40. Like, if you're 20 years old, and I know quarter-disc, so big uh-uh. Right, no, for sure. But, yeah, I like that, too. Big up Ray and Taj and all of them and the pops and everybody. But what I'm trying to say is 40 seems so old to us. Yeah. And now that we're at 40, it's like, oh, we're still young, motherfuckers.

Right, right. But they don't get that. Right. We're at 40. It's like, oh, we're still young, motherfuckers. Right, right. But they don't get that. Right. And I think that, you know, I think that the way that my fan base has grown, I feel like I got day one fans and I also pick up new ones. But I feel like that comes from outside of music, too. That comes from, like, the fashion aspect or just even sonically. You know what I'm saying? The cool kids still love to decipher the lyrics and they want to be put on to like, oh what's

that brand he talking about? Because they want to go outside and be like, oh I got this, you ain't got this, you ain't on this. So as long as you still playing those games, it sort of helps. I won't lie to you. Yeah. I listened to the Lil Uzi Vert song. Yeah.

And I did not know I was a Lil Uzi Vert fan. I did not know that. Yeah. Because I went and I took, then I went on and I wanted to see all these other songs that Lil Uzi Vert is on. Right. And it was so many songs that I was familiar. I just didn't identify that that was Lil Uzi Vert is on. And there were so many songs that I was familiar I just didn't identify that

that was little Uzi Vert. Uzi special. Uzi special because what people don't know is Uzi Uzi's Philly. He's a rapper. Like, you know what I'm saying? He didn't just unlock his creativity on some like rock style. You see him style the niggas in gas stations.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And he had a diamond on his forehead. Let I'm saying? He's out of control. Don't play. You know what I'm saying? And he had a diamond on his forehead. Let's be clear. Yeah, yeah. He's out of his mind. Let's let him go. Give him his space.

Give him his space. He deserves it. Yes. You know, and, you know, so he still, he, what a lot of people don't know is he really has the skill set. Right. And when you hear the verse and you be like, oh, nah, he got a real skill set. When you listen to Neon Guts with him and Pharrell,

it's like, oh, hell nah. He really rap. He doing what he want to do. Now, how... Yeah, let's pick up a little Uzi verse. Let's look over that. But how crazy... How many gray hairs did you get

trying to get Kanye and Pharrell in the studio at the same time? Oh, I didn't even. No? No. Not even once. It's that easy? Not even once.

Yeah? Not even once. You know, I really, so how I started the whole process of even making the album was like, I had a record. I had one record from Ye, and that was Hear Me Clearly, right? Hear Me Clearly. Yeah. So I took, it was one verse. So I took Hear Me Clearly down to Miami.

I came down here, and I was like, yeah, man, I'm ready to start. I said, me and Ye cooked up something the other day, and it just got me going. Right. And he was like, let me hear it. Pharrell was like, let me hear it. So I played it and he was like, eh. He shrugged on me. Eh?

Pharrell shrugged on you? No, no. Pharrell shrugged on me. On the Hear Me Clearly record. And he was like, you know, like... I ain't gonna lie, I love cocky Pharrell. No, listen. Listen, but don't nobody know that. He be like this, I be like... like I love cocky Pharrell so he like yo he like um I mean it's all right but I mean you like you I mean you want to be in a mixtape you want to make a mixtape how many mixtapes you want to be in a mixtape? You want to make a mixtape? How many mixtapes you want to make? Called it a mixtape. There you go, a mixtape.

I'm coming off Daytona. He said, how many mixtapes you want to make? I said, wow. Let me get some of that. So I was like, you know, at the time, so I'm like, damn, like, you know. And mind you, we just talking. He like, man, like, you know, for you to go to the next level, you got to become a character out here. Like, bro, how many hot 16s, bro?

I'm tired of the hot 16. And, bro, I'm talking about, it's punching me. Every word he's saying is punching me, punching me, right? And I'm like. This over the phone is to your face. No, no, no, it's to my face. It's to the color song. Yeah, yeah.

Sure, we in this library. Okay. And I'm like, you know, I'm just thinking, I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, I'm thinking back. I'm like, man, I used to like, you know, you got on. Like, I used to get in your used GS. We used to ride to Norfolk State, go pick up these same mixtapes you talking about, ride the whole day.

Right. You know, we know the whole verse from north to virginia beach and back like it's just like you know and i'm just thinking to myself like damn like is we not is we not where we at like you know and he was then i just got you know i just i just listened i just listened and just let him keep going and i realized man like he's just at a place where that man tries to knock everything out the park. Everything. I don't care what it is. And I don't even think we made music.

That's how the conversation was so ill to me. I don't think we made music that day. I think we just talked it out. And I had to like just process it and like you know and you know we might have had just had the rest of the day kicked it whatever the case may be but I don't think we did nothing that day nothing

with the intentions on coming in to like yo let's get busy and um you know I had um it was it was during the pandemic or whatever. So usually every morning, every morning, me and him would talk six in the morning, you know, six. He's definitely an early guy. I'm an early guy.

Yeah. You were early too. I'm an early guy. I'm an early guy. So, um, being, I was, I was staying at his crib during this time, we would just get up. We just get up at six. So I'm like, man, you know, we both we both fresh. He's like, man, let's come in when we fresh and let's just, you know, let's let's let's just start working. And so then that's when the actual process started, like a day later. And we just be in the studio working, get up early.

Because you've been working together since you since y'all was in virginia broke nothing so not rapping right not rapping i was we've been working together since we were hanging out i wasn't even rapping okay he came to me one day on some like he came to me like yo your brother is gene he the rapping is dude i know are you kidding me and i'm like oh for real like really i was like nah you can't work with him he worked with tim you can't you can't you're like i'm just shooting it like i was gonna be talking about malice right yeah we talked about malice yeah and he was you know he was at that time uh timbaland and my brother they all went to junior high school together timbaland was the DJ for

All of the Everybody who rapped Right And Right He knew my brother from Being down the beach And rapping amongst all of them guys

And didn't know that That was my brother Wow, for real? Yeah Okay So, you know, when he found out He was like, oh man, you know Time goes on

Tim Tim, you know, got his foot in the career, his foot in the door first and went to Jersey, left VA, went to Jersey, Joe to see all of that. And that opened the door. No, Teddy came down. Teddy came down and that opened the door for for my brother and Chad to connect well before again well before I was rapping right so but wait but how much did that conversation you guys have set the foundation or momentum for when you started working on the music um it it was the it was totally the foundation it was everything it was like once he said that one thing I one thing I said about even working with him and Ye during this process was I was going to listen. Like I was going to follow direction.

I came into this game always knowing how much production, the marriage between the lyrics and production made, you know what I'm saying, made the magic. I never thought I'd rap so good that, you know i'm saying made the magic i never thought i rapped so good that you know i could just rap over anything all of my favorites got a very bad album somewhere because they think they can just rap over anything you know i'm saying and i always peep that true yeah you know and and and i was like okay i and I always understood that. I always understood that. And the biggest thing for me was to make this better than Daytona. I was like, man, how can I make this? I won't buy Daytona just in case. Okay.

I did. Just in case. I'm a bad man. Just in case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But, yeah, you know, my biggest thing was to make it better than Daytona. But I was like, man, I'm going to have to just listen to them and see.

I really wanted to be produced because I felt like that was one thing about Daytona. I just rapped. I just rapped over. We was fast-tracking it. We was going. I stayed in there with Ye so I could get the hardest beats. When everybody else would leave and whatever, I was like, nah. Or just so he wouldn't steal them for himself, I stayed and I took them.

And I was like, after that, he was working on five albums at that particular time. Rob Markman, If You, Nas, Good Music. Tiana. Rob Markman, His own, him and Cudi. Kiss He Goes. Rob Markman, Which we'll never get another one. We'll never get. Tiana. His own. Kissy goes. Right. Which we'll never get another one. We'll never get another one. Per Cudi. Per Cudi.

I'ma hope he gets it. Work it out. Right, right. Me too. So I was fast tracking and just writing boom boom and trying to get it done. And I didn't feel like I was produced. So I said said you know what I know I know at least that's one bar I can check off we took my Daytona yeah Daytona yeah yeah that's

crazy so I was like man I know that's one bar I could check off if I just let them produce me while we got this time ain't nobody rushing it's the pandemic Ain't nothing going on. Right. So, you know, that was the first thing. So I said, man, I'm going to listen. Right. And, you know, Pharrell made it very clear. He was like, listen, man, if we're going to do this, we're going to do flows. We're going to do cadences. I'm going to make sure the hooks is sticky.

I'm going to make sure the B choruses is sticky. What's the joint where I kind of feel like you like resembling Slick Rick? Everything don't need to be addressed. Was that done on purpose? Yeah, that was the hardest record. That was the hardest record. So the record was written, right? I executed it, boom, boom.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Pharrell come in, hear it. And he's like, man, that shit ain't it. He's like, that shit ain't it. You still rapping to me. You in your B-boy stance. You ain't embodying nothing. I'm like, now mind you, by the time I even tell him to come in to listen, it's because I'm married.

I'm happy. I'm good. I'm like, I'm married to what I've been done. I'm hype. You were proud of it already. I'm proud. He come and tear the whole, man, he tear the whole chalkboard off the wall. No.

It's not it. You ain't enough of a character. You ain't enough of a character. And by this time, this is when we sort of started the exercise of like, we would play the Joker every day. With it on mute. I heard y'all play it on mute. Well, at first we were just watching it. He was like, man, you know, he was talking about character, this and At first we were just watching it. He was like, man,

he was talking about character, this and that. Then he gets into it. He was like, man, play the Joker. Was he in the Bronx? Joaquin Phoenix, yeah. So we like, yo. We like, he's like, man, you know, you need to

be more in character, man. He was like, man, this is you. Look at you. You laugh just like him. You laugh at shit you ain't supposed to laugh at. You got dark tendencies about yourself. You know, you start critiquing me. So I'm like, all right, you know, whatever. So we just watching it every day, watching it every day.

And then he started making beats. And then he would mute it and be like, man, this the ill scene. Look at this ill scene. Like, this sound like man this the ill scene look at this ill scene like this sound like this this sound supposed to go to this and you see homeboy running down the steps or doing whatever he's doing you know doing some ill shit so um you know with that being the case he was like man i don't want i don't want you rapping i want you to you know like really embody it like you know that's why that's why that song sounds so i'm saying all the evil shit i would say but i'm talking matter of factly

like buffalo shrimp from my haymars coke deals upstairs at the ramada the ocean from motels was popular and crack was cemented phenomenon elected presidential was on my arm. You know what I'm saying? Just like, you know, just talking like that. Like, you know. But he made me like, bro, that took forever. I felt like I was an R&B singer. Like, because he made me like, like, yo, nah, you still, you know, I'm still. He's like, nah, that's not it. Is that a hit to your ego?

Like, how much of your ego takes a hit when he's telling you these things? Man, it's my brother. I mean, you know, like, my ego don't even kick in with him as far as that goes. It's the difference in what we appreciate. Because still at the end of the day, a high 16 is like a top 10 record to me. If a nigga got motherfucking 24 mean bars and I come across it, I'm floored. I'm going to know it, I'm going to memorize it. That's something that I can hear in the street and I can feel in the street. Niggas going to talk about it, the bar the shop and so on and so forth. All of that energy is what fuels me.

And it was just, it was bothersome to know that that ain't really fuel him like it used to fuel him, like it used to fuel us together. That was my issue more so. I believe that's a beautiful thing. I think we should make some more.

Thank you. But one thing on the album that you said that I did disagree you said you thought your fans you wished your fans was more like J. Cole's right but I think you said

because and then lying after that because the Dope Boyz what is because Dope Boyz gotta be the man like they know

double entendre shorty low they know I'm the man I'm the man but I wanna disagree with you the reason why why is that let low, they know. I'm the man. I'm the man. But I want to disagree with you. The reason why is... Why is that?

Let me just tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. Go ahead. I'm going to tell you what I go through. Go ahead. Because I don't think they actually...

When it comes to... When a person says pusher and they say Kendrick and they say Jay and they say Cole, I don't think they say

pusher is it but he's dope rap or cocaine raps and Kendrick and they say Jay and they say Cole I don't think they they say Pusha is is it but he's dope rapper cocaine raps and Kendrick is I think that y'all all in that lyrical yeah and that all I don't think I don't think you're you're you're you're you're categorized as a cocaine dope rapper or Jay's a cocaine dope rapper and Kendrick is a backpack dope rapper and Jay Cole is a a dread wearing dope rapper I don't think is a backpack dope rapper. And J. Cole is a dread-wearing dope rapper. I don't think it's categorized like that. I think it's categorized as lyricism. And in the cage of lyricism, you and J. Cole

have the same fucking fans. Y'all can make some noise for that, motherfuckers. I don't know. In the case of lyricism. That might be, listen. Just lyricism. No, no, listen. And that may be true.

I mean, we toured together. Right. So we toured together. So we toured together. And that line came from just referencing back. Because I remember Jay said something like, Jay, he literally wished you would be Tyler Kwame. And I kind of felt that that was what you was going with. Nah.

Okay. See, with me, it was like, when I was saying that, I was just speaking to the fact that, man, you know, I've been on tour with J. Cole. And when I was out there and I would like, I would go out there, of course, do my set, watch his set, maybe even go to the after party or whatever. You know what I'm saying? His crew, whatever the case may be. But it was the energy around him was just like, it was all praise. And like, man, they just happy to feel like a college energy and just people just happy to be around them. And you're happy to see him. I forgot.

What year was that? He on the phone. Yeah, I find no problem. Yeah. But but but I was likening it to When I go out And like when I do the after parties And so on and so forth It kind of gets a dangerous thing And it's like, you know You got those who love you

On some like, yo, I'm rocking what you're doing Then it's always the Yeah, you know, I'm killing you You know, then you got It's a different energy yo I'm rocking what you doing then it's always the yeah you know I'm killing you you know it's a different energy and then it turns into you know that get a little dicey and it get a little you know got to turn into this and it was just it was just tapping on another uh another instance of call my bluff because even that person can get it. I'm just like, bro, that's what my mindset

was. But that mindset is like, that's a real thing for me in real time outside. You run across that energy with what it is that I do. Whereas what J. Cole does,

it's like, man, it's just a different, it's cool, it's lax. And his fans are just like. He be riding bikes through the city by himself. Bro! You know what I'm saying? He definitely, lyrically, but still like Bob Marley-ish. He's like the hip hop Bob Marley to me. In the most respectful way.

And I love, listen, I love my fans. I'm not, you know. I'm not trying to talk down on them at all, but I'm just saying there's a difference. Okay, the rest says, watch what you say, you attract it. If you're going to keep cocaine raps, a lot of the cowboys are going to come to your joints.

Below down, Sergio Tuchini, the 88 car phones. You know what I'm saying? Is that what happens to you yeah but that it's not that it's the approach it's the you know you know you know you know the energy it's the compliment what you before like you know what you're saying you bother yourself you know yeah well and i'm saying i think is is sonically like lyricism sonically it's all in the same

oh for sure you're saying is the content is attracting a different energy. You're right. Like the specific content that you're addressing. Nah, total, 1,000%. You are right, yeah. But it's like, I think they repeat this question to you all the time. They repeat this question to Jay-Z all the time.

They repeat this question to Jadakiss all the time. And it's like, as much as you've grown, it's still that, you know know this is where I come from type of you know hustle rap where it's the cocaine references and you know

how is that throughout these years like is this question always going to come up or they understand that it's a reference man I don't mind the question because I don't mind answering it. You know what I'm saying?

It's like I've been saying as of late, I'm trying to be the Martin Scorsese of street rap. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want out like y'all don't ask Martin Scorsese to make Gone with the Wind. You want him to make a gangster flick with guns, mob, killers. And we all run to the movie every time we all doing whatever we're doing to see it talking about it and loving it for a lifetime yep yep that's what happens yes so it's like right you know for me i look at myself like that you know i'm saying and it's like man this is like bro this this is rap that I know. I mean, how I look at rap, man, rap started in the street.

It started from poverty. It started from despair. It started from just coming outside, talking about your environment. Bro, like, I don't understand why it's an issue. I don't even understand why people talk about, like, you know what, what it, what my content is versus what somebody else's content is. It's like, nah, we want to like, this is, and, and at this point I've been in this 20 years, like, I'm like, man, I'm here to entertain a certain sector of people. I'm not going out to like, I'm not reaching out, trying to get new people and so on and so forth. Like, and and and I don't believe that it's just if you're a surface level listeners all

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from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. AT&T. Connecting changes everything. Let's talk about the album. I want to break down

song from song. Let's do it. At some point, but before we get deep, straight into the album. Yeah. I want to break down song from song. Let's do it. At some point. But before we get deep, straight into the album. Yeah. I want to ask something. I've heard you on The Breakfast Club answer this. Also, I believe, I'm not sure if you did Ebro on them.

You did Ebro on them, right? Yesterday. Okay. I don't know if I've seen it yet. Okay. But I've seen a couple of your interviews where this Jack Harlow song gets? Yesterday. Okay. I don't know if I've seen it yet. Okay, but I've seen a couple of your interviews where this Jack Harlow song gets brought up.

Yeah. I'm going to be honest, Push. What's up? Because you like the only Thanos. Yeah. Like, this man has no other losses

anywhere. This man is the Michael Elvis. Okay. I don't even know if that's a person. You made that one up. You know I made it up. Right. This man, and he says, revenge is not even a coachable.

Yeah. Even though this verse could be old. Right. Revenge, I got to get him back for that. Whatever he's, you know, I'm paraphrasing. Right, right, right. You heard it. I did.

On Jack Harlow. He tried to kill Jack. I did. On his shit. I heard it. And it sounded like he was trying to kill Jack coming for you. Yeah. What does Pusher T say?

Even though it's old, it might be old. Listen, no, no, listen. I don't, I mean, bro, like, it's, it's sound, when I say old, it sounded old. Old, old? Like, to me, like, just the flows, the raps, like, it just wasn't, it wasn't what it is that I think four years later, after what I did, that's not, that wasn't like, I mean, like, that didn't even faze me. Right. But you don't think because of the, even though, like you said, it sounds old, but the content of it was like, I ain't forgetting it. I'm coming but i

don't care i don't care what they forget like i don't care like bro like for real like i'm just i mean just being totally totally honest i don't give a fuck and i think they know it like they know it all parties know it yay know it right He know. I'm not playing with anybody. I'm not. Because you did not show up at the concert. No. He asked me to. Okay. Because you know what?

It's simply because at this point, none of it's a game to me. Like none of it. a game to me. Like, none of it. And I'm like, I'm doing my best to just, you know, let bygones be bygones. I'm chilling. I'm good.

I mean, look, like, listen to me. Listen to my album. Untouchable. You know what I'm saying but um you know man you know I look at all of that and all of that energy as

still showing the effects of what it is that I've done real for real cause really I don't even think about it I don't even think about it. I don't. There's no bars on this album.

I was looking for that, too. Nah, man. I was looking for. For what? This album's flawless. Right. Without it. Right. That's what's crazy.

Woo. Anybody else would have jumped on it and did all that. No, not me, because I ain't really playing. Right. Like, I'm really not. Right, right. So everybody understands. Right ain't really playing. Right. Like, I'm really not. Right, right, right. So, everybody understands. Right.

That's it. Right. Okay. So, let me ask. Yeah. Has J Prince ever reached out to you? I spoke to J Prince numerous times, man. So, so...

Not about him. Okay. Hell no. Can't nobody talk to me about him all right hell no because i also heard you say you don't want to wreck it with him i don't want to be i'm gonna be honest i don't want it let's just not even i don't want it with drake i want to wreck it i don't i don't i don't want it i'm cool i'm cool without it you don't want no ad-libs no none none no photo nah i'm cool goddamn photo i'm cool i just want to name shit for him to say no um you don't play hockey with him no canada

none of it i'm cool like i ain't playing i'ma just go ahead and do what i do. But y'all at peace. I'm at peace. So if right now you're hosting Saturday Night Live, that was a wrong choice. I can't host Saturday Night Live. You can't host Saturday Night Live. I'm not allowed to do that. I'm in Saturday Night Live. I don't know how that came out of my mouth. Saturday Night Live.

Right. You on this part of the club. Right. They say, there's one other artist walking in here. They want the other side of the club right next to there. Yeah.

They come, you see who it is. It's pushing it. Leave him? No. But you're not... You're not extending your hand to say... No, I don't want to... Listen, I want nothing.

Why though? As a person who... Let's just look at it face value. Yeah. Let's say out of everyone who actually said that you guys sparred, right? That you guys went at it.

Everyone says you won, right? Most of the people who are... They recruit content especially after his Meek Mill debacle. Most people say that you won. So, then why are you not willing to say, you know what? It was, I felt attacked. It's over. Because things that

I don't speak on and things that I won't speak on have happened since. Right? I just ain't gonna speak on it. But I ain't playing. So for me, it ain't even about you know i feel like if it was just a

rap thing and it was what it was you know that was cool you think that they went too far when they mentioned your lady name or where was it the point where it was like, this is it? Oh, no. You know, I mean, I don't really talk about it. But I'm just saying, like, you know, I feel like, you know, there were, you know, I've been to Canada before. I'm banned from Canada. I'm banned from Canada. Like, I can't get back over there, right? Really? Yeah, I ain't allowed to go back over there.

That's why we got to squash this beef. I'm sure we can go squash this beef. No, no, no. But what I think is where they think that you went too far. I don't care. I don't care. There is no too far. I don't play like that.

That's why you don't play with me. Right, right, right, right. That's why you don't play with me. There is no too far. Right. It's not. Right. Forever. Leave me alone. It's not. Forever.

Leave it alone. Leave me be. Leave me be because there's no too far. That's how it goes. That's the thing. No, no, no. They won't play ball. That's the thing.

That's the problem. You felt like you went too far? Who, me? I never go too far. There is no too far. There's no too far. Absolutely. Promise you.

Did you ever feel like that? I never felt nothing. And anybody who ever told me that I was... That I went too far, I never spoke to them again. Fuck you. I was like, oh, shit. Okay, let's just revisit how everyone thinks this started.

Was it started from the Mr. Me Too? I don't know. I don't even know at this point. No, no, for real for me in this... Because that's what... this started was it started from the mr me too i don't know i don't even know at this point no no for real for me in this because that's what me from the outside i'm looking in as an insider that's an outsider though for me when you go all the way back to all of that i remember just a very dark time for me just musically um not having you know being in a what you call it um like a label drama or whatever and um and i remember i mean when you go back to mr me too you talking about the wayne thing and all

that that's what it kind of felt like it was trickled down well yeah because i mean there was like some vibe issue where he was you know we was you know we had just i think we had just done um what's that called? What Happened to That Boy or something. What Happened to That Boy. You know, maybe a little bit later. With Birdman on it. Yeah, with Birdman on it.

Later on down the line, people were telling Wayne he was, you know, trying to talk dope like the Clips or drugs and he wore bape like the Clips. I never said that. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I think just at this particular time, it was a rough time for us because we was going through label drama or whatever. Remember that, like the four-year hiatus? Oh, yeah. This is the Jive Records?

Yeah. Okay. And so then there was a Vibe article where he just spoke to that. But he just spoke about us in a very... Little nigga type of way. Yeah, like a down, you know, like down talking. And I'm like, damn, we already going through what we going through. And, you know, you're not even bright enough or smart enough at the, you know, at the time.

I ain't got no problem with Wayne. I mean, just so we clear. I ain't, you know, it's whatever. So, Wayne is that same artist in that club. You're going, you might... Not necessarily, not necessarily but i'm not giving nobody a five no i'm no it's cool like it's it's cool but it's no problem but i just you know you never know because you just know how shit is but uh you know so that's what for for me, back then, what started. I feel like everything else was just, you know, as of late, it was a lot of, like, just the Kanye drama.

Being next to it. The petty nigga in me would have been like, what the fuck you doing this concert for? What's the name of the concert? I don't remember. Rob Markman, Yeah. But like, what the fuck you doing this concert for? We went to ball.

Like the petty nigga in me would have been like- Rob Markman, Yeah, but you know, at the same time, you got to, I reckon, I know how to compartmentalize everything. That's my gift. That's my real gift. Rob Markman, Because it was like the moment when Nas and Jay got together. It was needed for hip hop. Do you think that this was the same moment?

No, I don't even think they make good music together. That's the wildest part. Like, it ain't even like a hot record. Name it. Glow? What? What? Glowing up?

When? Come on, Google this shit. Why you gotta Google it? Like, come on. So it's not like, for real, for me, just them doing what they did, I felt like that was good for them. The concert was hard, though. Listen, I thought Kanye looked amazing. He was amazing.

His one side. Like, he looked, I mean, his discography just showed, you know, artiste with an E. You know what I'm saying? Like, next level. would that would that be said i'm dyslexic so i'm like what but um would that be said like you know i don't damn i forgot where i was at you said you thought kanye looked good but oh yeah i thought you know i think that was good for them like i think that was good for them yeah like i you know and i don't you know i don't ever put no type of pressures nowhere i don't you know i'll stay out of the situation because

they plan they're playing they play an industry game i think kanye said he he's on a professional level right and that's and that's cool and that's great and that's like, you know, I feel like that's going to work for them and what it is that they do. Right. What, you? No, I'm cool. I'm just over here, bro. I know exactly where my lane is. I know exactly what I'm doing.

I know exactly who I want to be with, who I want to make records with. I know what I'm not doing. I know what damages my brand, what doesn't. And there's absolutely no value in that for me. Because immediately when we heard, neck and wrist don't lie, and then whole set, I blew bird money. And like, did they go again?

Oh, no, I didn't do that. That's what it seemed like. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Taking shots. No, no, no, no. I blew bird money. Y'all talking Twitter feed. Feed bird, you know, bird food no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I blew bird money. Y'all talking Twitter feed, feed bird, you know, bird food is, you know, they call it feed.

Right. The fans ain't that smart. Bro, I'm just saying, but you gotta be. Yeah, but he's saying that. But I'm just saying, like, nah, that was good. Did you see that first thing on Twitter? Yeah, but it was just, I knew that was just. Before Eli Porter?

Yeah, but I just knew they was not understanding. Oh, I was into all the gossip. Nah, man. I ain't lying. That was it. He did every last one of them. That was it. He's the other fan you had. Yeah, like I just knew they was not understanding. Oh, I was into all the gossip. Nah, man. That was it. That was it. Every last one of them. He's the other fan you had. Yeah, like, wow.

No, I was into all of it. He's on the lower frequency. Because they really bought into it until, what's my man name? Young Guru. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Young Guru actually went on and was like, relax, guys. This has nothing to do with this. I mean, that's when I knew it was, like, it probably got too loud when I saw Guru say something.

Because I'm like, I've seen it, but I'm like, whatever, that's going to blow over. Right. But, I don't know. That wasn't real. Because it's kind of, like, just think about the people that you have beef with and you survive. Lil Wayne, Birdman, and Drake. And you have no, like, scars from it. It's nothing.

It's nothing. It's nothing. It's nothing. But it's all love. It's all love. With me. I have no issues, man. And you're banned from Canada.

I thought you were just saying that. Oh, no, no, no. I'm serious. And this is, all right, all right. How did you know? How did you know you was banned from Canada? My manager over here told me. What happened?

Well, I mean, I'm not going to get into that. But I can hit Donald Trump. No, I asked him to do nothing. No. I'm not going to get into that. But I can't hit Donald Trump. I asked him to do nothing. Nope. I'm cool. Trump and, um, yeah. What the fuck? What?

You said Trump. You talking about they can put it together? What are you talking about? So you say, all right, let's just be clear. You said you went to, uh, what's this called? Customs? And they said... Oh, you got turned down. You trying to went to what's this called? Customs? And they said... You got turned down.

I didn't get turned down at the border. Oh, so you filled out for your visa and they said... What did you do in Canada? I didn't do nothing. I went to my show. You know, it was rowdy people at the show. Did you perform that song? I performed...

No! I didn't even get to! I didn't even get to! It got rowdy, and I got on. I got on my way. You know, it was cool. That's playing a different game when you get a nigga bad from the country.

That's a little... That's next level? Bro. That's a little bit? That's a little different on your pettiness. That's a little different. If I could do it, I would do it too, though. You would definitely do that. I would definitely...

Jesus. So, in no world, we're never going to squash this. Hopefully. Maybe. In one world... There's nothing for me to squash. I've done it all. It's done. I'm done. Yeah, I'm finished. I'm cool.

Nothing for me to do. That's a beautiful thing, man. Congratulations. Let's put on positive energy. Positive energy, guys. Let's bring the flowers. Hey, man. He was a terrible team, man. Hey man Mr. Lee with a terrible accent

We don't know if you know our show is about giving people their flowers Yes sir And we one million percent want to give you your flowers to your face how great you are

how you stand I appreciate it Man I've seen how you came and for you to still be at the level of relevancy for you to make an album the way you made and like I said because I'm your friend, because I feel like a family

member, especially we're all under, I think Snoop said he said, we're all under the Dre tree and we're all under the Neptune tree we're all under the drive away, leave or bark or even the fucking root, we're all part of the tree and I're all under the... Drive away, leave, or bark, or even the fucking root. We're all part of the tree. And I can't tell you how much I'm proud of you.

I can't tell you how much I'm proud of your brother. Every time I see him, every time I've seen him for the last couple of years, I've been always drunk and he's always prayed over me. It's been the weirdest thing. Wow. That's right, dog. I mean, that's him. We were in the airport. He's like, come here. And I just...

He'd be proud of you right now. I mean, that's him. That's him. We were in the airport. He's like, come here. And I just, I just, I don't know about this. He'd be proud of you right now. I mean, I bow my head. We're in the middle of LAX and he just do it. Right. I love you. And I just want to tell y'all,

yo, man, for a standard test of time, the way you have and the way you are and still enjoying this game and still being a bar lord and I can't even find a whack bar. I've been looking like,

he ain't slip here. He ain't slip here. And you haven't. And I just want to say, that is abnormal. That is find a whack bar. I've been looking like, he ain't slip here, he ain't slipping, and you haven't. And I just want to say, that is abnormal. That is not a normal thing. And salute you, my brother. Thank you, man.

Thank you. Thank you. So we want to give you literally your fly. Yes, yes, yes. Literally. We want to give you your fly. Literally want to give you some fly.

So, ah, man. That is crazy. Before we go to create time and slime, I just want to go through this playlist. Yep. literally gonna give you some fly so ah man that is crazy before we go to create time and slime I just want to go through this playlist yeah let's do it go hit number one you got it before me it's in your group chat

my fault like a wrist on line what Brambleton okay yeah that's one yeah okay let's talk about that yeah sets off the album yeah let's go um well first you know brambleton um set off the album you know know, strategically, I put that there because Big started Life After Death with a story. And I always felt like, man,

you know, I've never, first of all, I never do many stories. And then I was like, man, I actually got one. And I felt like it was strong enough to just set the tone. You know what I'm saying? Brambleton Avenue is a place in Norfolk, Virginia. Youth coming up, my mom worked on it.

You know what I'm saying? You could, you know, I could go see her young, you know, young kid going to see her. I could see Sweet Pea Whitaker across the street in a project called Young's Park. And, you know, just outside, you know, being great, whatever the case may be. The song itself was just, for me, just describing a relationship. Describing a relationship I had in the street uh my former manager he was on vlad not too long ago oh is that the same person that you made the snitch record about as i and i you know sorry i'm trying to come home i feel like the snitch record i feel like the snitch record was

like which is the deal is a um an acronym i'm trying to come home. Shout out for Rel. Shout out for Rel. But it was just like a lot. I feel like the snitch acronym, I mean, the snitch record itself was just like a lot of just instances and shit that was going on. This record particularly right here was like, yo, like after seeing the interview, I was like, damn, like that's, you know described you described us he was on vlad tv talking about what because i never he was on vlad tv and he spoke about how like he said um i believe one of the quotes was 95 of everything was about him like my you know the raps were about

him and um uh like when it came to street shit. Yeah. And, um, what else was it? It was, it was just a couple of different things that I was like, damn, man. Like, you know, I never, I never would see somebody that I've been, you know, so, you know, down with or whatever, entrenched in like all type of shit, never down talk or try to downplay me. Like I never, I would never, like wherever we stand right now, I would never do it. I've never done it. You know what I'm saying? And I just didn't, you know, so I took the time to like, I was just, you know, I was telling Pharrell about the whole situation or whatever. And he was like, man, that's the song right there.

He's like, that's the song. And, you know, I was like, you know, I just wanted to give like a real context to what my view of our relationship and what it was then. You know what I'm saying? So he was your ex-manager? Yeah. Okay, cool. Just what our relationship was, what it was in the street. And and I wanted to make that record because I feel like. It was a it was it speaks to loyalty, like it speaks to loyalty and being loyal and and and. Understanding the idea of team.

Like back then and, you know, just when all the street shit was going on, man, I always looked at it as a team. All of us was a team. Now, you may have this much, I could have this much, they could have this much, but all of it and everybody was working

for the betterment of everybody and everybody had a role that was the thing never looked at you know never been envious never that's just my whole shit i ain't never been envious of nobody musically none of that that's just not me right um i always know how important my role is to whatever situation it is. Even being in good music, I don't sell the most records. I don't sell the most records more than anybody else who been over there, whatever. Always still, I'm me. I know what I bring to the table. That song was just for the guys who honestly are in these positions and are in these roles and are doing their thing. And you think that you, you know, you think that y'all, you know, you're focused and you're determined on what it is that you're doing.

You're getting your money, your man getting his money, blah, blah, blah. And you think in his teamwork. Right. And in their mind, they call it you working for them. And ultimately, as soon as the roles change or whatever the case may be, you see who gets to

you see people true colors. Unfortunately, yeah. Man. Heavy song. I didn't know that. I ain't going to lie. That shit was over my head. Because again,

I wasn't listening to it for that. I was listening to it. That's deep. I'm just looking at the art. And I'm like, it's no way this guy can still be this good. I'm sorry I was downing you. Because I wasn't downing you to down you. But I was like, it's no way this guy can still be this good. I'm sorry I was down on you, because I wasn't down on you to down you. But I was like, it's no way, because it's just a level of success.

No, but you know, we are the era that is going to be able to take, we are the era that is going to be able to see if hip hop can be progressive as it ages. You know what I'm saying? This is the time where it figures itself out. Actually, go the real distance. Yeah, go the real distance. Get on R, U2, Rolling Stones, whatever. I think the 444 album kind of helped that.

No, no, no. Yeah, but even still, the whole was one. That's one component. He's before our era. He's one before us. Right, right. Yeah, but even still, that whole was one. That's one component. And he ain't, he's before our era. Right. He's one before us. Right, right, right. You need multiples.

Yeah, so you need to like, and I'm talking about for the genre to look like it can do what it do. He just special. Right. He caught on early. Right.

But we are the class that is going to be myself, yay, you know, everybody, you know, everybody within this time frame is going to be myself yay you know everybody you know everybody within this time frame is going to be the one to show how far this shit can go for real i agree so so i mean so it's not i don't think it's that crazy like you know being you know still competing like because we we're still competitive like you said we still young yeah. We are. And with that comes the spirit of competition. And creativity has no age limit.

Right, right, for sure. And however you tap into it, if it's being competitive, some people do it differently, you know, just to tap into that creativity. No, for sure. All right. So, song number two, let the smokers shine the coops. Let the smokers shine the coops. Let the smokers shine the coops, man. That was me asking Pharrell to give me his best, best glaciers of ice type beat he could ever make. You know, that was, that actually, that record actually came from Hit Factory. Again, at six in the morning.

But we was at Hit Factory because, you know. Miami Hit Factory. Yeah, Miami Hit Factory again at 6 in the morning but we was at Hit Factory because Miami Hit Factory. Miami Hit Factory and we were like you know we had been working out the house for a little while and I felt like he just wanted a different change of scenery like you know sort of exhausted the energy there and we started going to Hit Factory early.

Don't Baby and them work at Hit Factory too? I ain't seen nobody. Oh God. I ain't seen nobody. Oh, God. I ain't seen nobody. You're an asshole. No, I'm just being honest. That one is not even being funny. I'm actually being honest.

Yeah, okay. But, you know, just, you know, just working. Again, and it was, you know, it was a it was a thing of me you know being being an actual being an actual student with the flow you know I'm saying him like nah you can't you know writing brain writing and like ah nah I know where's the cadence at where's the balance you know I'm saying and then that's him telling you that yeah like. It might be an initial four bars. He was like, yeah, but ain't no bounce there.

It ain't sticky to the track. Is it just y'all two in the studio together? Probably, yeah, this day. This particular day. I don't know if Chad made it yet. I don't know if Chad made it yet. Shout out to Chad. I don't think he gets enough credit for it.

I think he did a little co-producing on some stuff too, as well. That's dope. Okay, Dreamin'. Dreamin'. Oh, Dreamin' of the Past. Dreamin' of the Past, I'll teach you a ton. Dreamin' of the Past. Man, I actually stole that one.

Let's talk about the death yeah because because you know a lot of times me and yay will work on albums simultaneously so he got a folder i got a folder you know he well he pick all the beats and be like okay that's your folder this is my folder and other from other producers um some his and yeah and just you know just a hard drive that he has of just joints. And he'll, he'll, he'll pick stuff that he thinks is a good enough skeleton for me to rhyme to. He, he accidentally, I think, played that beat. And I was like, oh, that's crazy.

Like, let me, let me get that. And he's like, nah, I love it. You know, it's mine. This, this and that. And I kept asking for it so ultimately he um I noticed he still hadn't wrote the song yet and I was like damn man you don't like the song let me get the song and um he he finally let me get it and I was like listen why don't you why don't you just put like you know eight bars on the end of it or you know I'm saying like that way I could lock in the song right if he knew he was on it then then i could get it so uh that's that's what we did all right

and then it became your record yeah for sure you first recorded it with the intentions hit going on his no no no didn't even know i like once i once i got it once i got it and put the verses on it he um he heard it was like man i can't be on that and I was like nah you can like what's up just get yours off and I gave him the comparison of Big Big coming in for like three bars on Lil' Kim Queen Bitch

and I was like bro everything you do don't gotta be heavy lifting you already produced the beat why you gotta have 16, 24 bars back? It ain't all that. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like that's why the record wasn't written in the first place.

It was heavy. You got to go in on that joint. He probably was taking his time, whatever. I'm like, bro, give it to me. Get yours off. You can get yours off in four bars. Now, before we go on, because I'm going to go right back into the album, but before we get into that,

where was you at when you seen Ye say, Big Sean was the worst thing he's ever... Man, I was... He threw the side down. Where was... I think I was at the crib. Yeah, I think I was at the crib. Right.

Yeah. What did you want? crib yeah i think i was at the crib right um yeah i mean that's the answer i mean i mean you know i you know i feel like um they be having they be having a little they they issues bro like you know you know hey listen man you can have issues with yay man yeah People, you know, he's a different individual. It's back and forth, you know what I'm saying? So they was having their issues

and I guess he felt, you know, the need to get it off and we don't see him that often, you know, doing like you, you got the interview.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, clap for that, clap for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can do this shit too. It was great. But, yeah, you know, and I feel like, you know, he probably was just getting whatever he felt off his chest.

Right. But they be having their little back and forth as well. And was it a call that you got from Big Sean after that? Direct or no? Then you got to see him back on Big Sean on Dreamcast. No, I didn't get no call. I don't think I got a call. Damn, did I?

No, I didn't. I mean, I didn't discuss it. I wouldn't discuss it, man. That's they shit, man. You know why I say that? Because other than your beef with OVO, I feel like you're the most level minded person. I'm for sure

the most level minded. I'm for sure. Like let's just be honest. I'm for sure the most I'm fair. I'm fair. I'm fair. I'm level minded. I don't, you know, I don't metal. Right. You stay in your lane.

I stay in my lane. So you don't ever step in where't metal right so you stay in your lane I stay in my lane so you don't ever step in with a kid Cudi says nope I'm never gonna be on another record nope

I say Cudi please just clear this song for me right right right please Cudi I know I know I know you

cause Cudi you know Cudi's like Cudi's my brother like Cudi's like man he really gonna stand on what it is that he, you know what I'm saying? Whatever it is that he had an issue with, he going to stand on that.

Right. So, man, you don't even know. Like, he was the last person cleared on the album. Wow. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so you know you getting down to the wire and you getting like. What, because he was holding back? Damn right.

Oh, yeah, right, right, right. Damn right. Oh, yeah. Right, right, right. Damn right. I'm in the studio doing radio drops and he called me and I'm like, bro, please. I know. I know. But just, you know. Why did you know? Because the label had told you that he was being skeptical of Clarence?

Yeah. So I heard after a while. I'm just wondering what's the progress with the album as far as turning it in and handing it in because the music been done. So I'm like, I'm trying to figure out what's the date going to be and I can't get these answers and nobody's saying nothing for a long time. Everybody just being, no, we just getting it together and then it finally got to come out that it was Cudi. And I was like, damn. So he ended up calling me.

And, you know, just telling me, like, you know, just telling me how he felt and telling me he was going to clear it and, you know, it's never nothing about me. And, you know, but he was like, yo, this is the last one with me. He let it be known. I heard you had hired a video director and everything. I hired a video director. I seen a video director

the other night. Seen him the other night. Told me, you know, told me how they got, had the treatment together. Me and Ye picked this particular dude.

You know, and he was like, man. You didn't cut half of the check though. No, no, no. He was like, you know, and everything just blew up. I was like, yeah.

And I don't know if we ever going to do it. So you got to hear the information prior to it being public. What's that? That Cudi's last. Yeah. So he actually called you. Yeah.

And then sent the tweet out that. I never seen the tweet go viral. The tweet was viral. It was everywhere. I know, man. Cudi fans is rabid. They are rabid. As soon as he do something, say something, they go crazy.

I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you something that Cudi did for me that a lot of people don't know. I was like in this weird space, right? And I think I was on tour with a group called Mastercraft. You remember this? Yeah, I remember. You recorded that joint at our studio. At Crazy End Studios group called Mastercraft. You remember this? Yeah, I remember. You recorded that joint at our studio.

At Crazy End Studios. At Mastercraft. And they were like a Canadian EDM band and they wanted me to do a record. And that record did something for you. It did something for you. So I was in this weird world and I would just go and just... Did you do the Tonight Show? I did, yeah. I did like a whole

bunch of these choruses. That shit works. It was like a little crazy year of my life, right. But I wasn't going to like hip-hop clubs and I wasn't... Definitely wasn't going to like real, real hip-hop clubs and Cudi... Cudi, I think... I forget how Cudi got in contact with me

or how we even spoke. And he said, you know, come to my show tonight. And I was like, for what? Like in my mind I said for what? I didn't say for what to him. But I was like, how would I identify with your audience? I'm this guy that's over here doing

this different type of music at this point. Like where does this correlate? And he brung me out and then he had me do all these Neptune records. I don't know if you remember that. Okay. And he was like, Pharrell is God in our world.

And you brung us God. So you're God in our world. And I had never, God. So you're God in our world. And I had never thought of shit like that. I was like, in this hipster crowd, they fuck with me. What am I doing? I was in court and fucking purgatory and hip hop purgatory.

And I forgot that this is a hipster crowd that Pharrell and kind of like made this whole audience and I can still be who I am. And Kid Cudi was the first person to show me that, yo, brother, you're a god in this audience. Because we looked at the audience

like weirdos. We were bozos ourselves. We was like, oh, those guys, you know, they wear backpacks. Yeah. You know, they do cocaine in the bathroom. It's different. It's different, you know.

But then I realized, hey man, the audience is okay. And I bought that. Okay, let's get to the next record. Neck and wrist don't lie. Now, first off, let's just be clear. You're using Drug Dealers Anonymous. Yeah. You're using this.

Yeah. So, this is favor dose yeah it's not favorite right yeah hey man here's my this is favorite number two yeah don't get no favors from the god i know man it's the hook already there? Shout out to Hope, man. As y'all making the record, you saying, we calling the God? As you making the record?

Soon as I laid the verse. Soon as I laid the verse, the hook is there. I was like, listen, format it so he has a space. Matter of fact, no, it was like the bridge, everything. And I was like, bridge everything all right and i was like just leave him open space all right and um man i just emailed it to him see me personally the the name of the record would have scared me to send it to him nah because you know neck and wrist don't lie yeah neck and wrist don't lie. Yeah.

I've had drinks with him one time and he had on just a light 3.5 million dollar watch. Not a stone in sight. I believe it was a paddock factory though. Yeah, of course.

They called it the Pablo Escobar, some shit like this. I didn't even want to accent it. No, listen. That's what I'm trying to say. $0.5 million. This was an off day. That's the only reason I call them, though, honestly. I mean, about music, when it comes to music.

When it comes to music, because I wrote a second verse for it. It just didn't hit like I wanted it to hit. Right. So, and I only reach, like I said, I only reach out to him musically. Right. When I feel like the song needs an uptick, like take it to the next level. We at Jupiter. Yeah.

Let's go to Mars. Yeah, for sure. And I mean, neck and wrist don't lie, I knew, I know that he's going to say 12 things that I can't say. You know what I'm saying? Like I could, there's other artists who could have been on it. It was disrespectful. But they not going to say too much that I can't say.

He said he put niggas mansions on his wall. Stop. Yeah. Yeah. That's disrespectful. No, we got different sob stories. Like I was done. i'm done like i needed all i was done yeah but um yeah so i just reach out to him i reach out to him you know when i

feel like a spade for you just in case you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Let's get to it. Get to it, get to it, I'm sorry. Yeah, you know, I reach out when I feel like he can add something to the song that I just can't do. And it was dope because you guys got to premiere it on iHeart every hour on the hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if a person didn't like y'all, they got to not like y'all more. Yeah, yeah. Because every hour on the hour so if a person didn't like y'all they got to not like y'all more because every hour on the hour. Explain that to an artist. We're going to get right back into the album, but is that a

plus when you could be able to just go straight out of the gate and get it on the radio because of who you are and the person you have on it? Yeah. I mean, you know, I think that, I think that, you know, when you can get a record on radio and people, and it gets that head start, that jump start. Right. You usually do that in trying to make sure that that record is going to go. Like really, you know, try to chart so on and so forth. And you still feel that radio has that impact today? Yeah, I think so.

I think so. I think radio is very important. I think for what it is that we do, man, we need to check off every box. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. For sure. Pick up my man Ayo.

Yeah. Nah, for sure. Like, we need to check off every box. And that was something that, like, just out of respect of who it was on the song, I'm like, I'm really fighting, like, nah. At the end of the day, I want people to hear this song. It needs that look. I mean, the profile of the artist on it, the features, you know,

him and Pharrell is too high for it not to get that look. I don't necessarily make radio records. You know what I'm saying? But then the video is going to be like a headache. Well, the video, we're not going to do a video. You know what's crazy? No, we ain't doing a video. You know what's crazy? No, we ain't doing a video. You know what's crazy?

Which people would appreciate. If y'all was to do a video where y'all not even in there. Oh, no. We'll do something like that. But I'm saying, you know, for people thinking we going to shoot a video, like Hov's coming to sit on a set and do a video. Yeah. It's not happening.

Yeah. It's not happening. Yeah, I don't think so. Which, I mean, let me tell you something. To me, I would have, it's not happening. It's not happening. Which, I mean, to me, I would've shot it in his house. Just so he didn't have to do that. Bro, on the iPhone. But, nah. But, you know,

end of the day, man, I think that record had the impact and it talked to our core. My core and his core. I think they just sang. Rob Markman, Yeah. Yeah. So let's move on to the next record, Just So You Remember.

Yeah, Just So You Remember Who You Dealing With. That's the rap moment on the album to me, the heavy rap moment, stripped down beat. And, you know, it's one of my favorite records, but it stayed in more of that mixtape lane, you know, just barring out, barring out. I don't even know how many lines it is, but it's a lot. Okay.

Now, let's go to the next record. Diet Coke record Diet Coke Diet Coke Now here's the question I asked about this What's up? Did y'all call Joey Crack And before this? Nope

No? We just sampled him? He got to hear it with us? Like um Or like Damn you know what? Somebody might have told him Okay Maybe And Ye produced this right? Yeah but Ye produced like damn you know what somebody might have told him okay maybe or no no yeah but it dropped as a

single so you got to clear it right so yeah so probably in the clearance process he he knew but yay but yeah the the record was done and yay was like nah you got to put joe crack uh fat joe on the front of that though yesterday's price yeah yeah. Yep, yep. He was like, I got to start like that. That, to me, is Jay's biggest, you know, his, yeah, that's where his genius comes from, his instincts. Right. Like, his facts. His gifts.

You know what I'm saying? Like, whenever he's in the moment, and it's musically, and his instincts kick in, you are definitely going to get a gem out of what it is that he's trying to make or create. Was it also him who said black and white video and he going to dance like Puff Daddy? That's the whole thing. He saw the whole vision. Flavor in your ear. Listen, change my outfit.

I ain't have on the leather. He wanted me to have on the leather. I had on some type of vest. Nah, you need the leather, the Craig outfit. I ain't have on the leather. He wanted me to have on the leather. I had on some type of vest. Nah, you need the leather, the Craig Mack. Big pocket. You know? You got to have it. But yeah, he saw the whole vision for that.

And once the record was done, the video was shot the next day. So he was like, nah, y'all get in, y'all go shoot The Finest Space, go do it. And, I don't know, eight, nine hours on set.

This is Def Jam budget? Yeah. I like your face when I say that. She got real just now. Hell yeah. Okay, hold on, where we at?

Come on. Okay, ooh,. Where we at? Come on. Okay, ooh. You want to ask this one? Rock and roll. Rock and roll. I heard it's a perfect day. Perfect day. Everybody was there, smoked up.

I just threw that out there. I don't know that part, but I heard everyone was... Cudi just arrived in the studio. Yeah. Jay is already... This is already down. This is a perfect day. Perfect record. Yep.

Fuck. Just a really good day. Ye just was like... He got on the MPC and started chopping the Beyonce 1 Plus 1 sample. Like you said, Cudi came through. The only thing he couldn't find to his liking.

Larry G, like five hooks, right? Yeah. But the only thing Ye couldn't find that day was the drums. And so, you know, it takes me a second just to write anyway. So, you know, by the time he was like, yo, send this to Pharrell. Let him put his drums on it. So that's the only record they worked on, collaborated on? Yeah, that's the only record they did.

And it was because of that? Because he couldn't figure out the drums? Yeah. I mean, he just didn't have like... I remember him just going through drums and none of it was hitting to his liking. None of it was hitting to his liking. And he was like, yo, send this to P. Tell him to put his drums on it.

Because had he figured out the drums, it might not have been a collaborative record. Right, right, send this to P. Tell him to put his drums on it. Because had he figured out the drums, it might not have been a collaborative record. Right, right, right. It wasn't supposed to be. He'd be in the moment. Lack of a better term for back then, it was supposed to be A-side, B-side. Right.

Wasn't it supposed to be? For sure. Okay. For sure. Oh, that's good. For this next record, I feel like, and let's be clear, so we're not getting a Kid Cudi and Kanye video. And if we do get it, it's going to be in separate rooms?

Because that could still happen, right? I would like for it to. I mean, listen, it was performing really well, so I think we should. I mean, I talked to Cudi yesterday and just was telling him how crazy this song is doing. He's like, nah, you know, I know I love that record. This and that. And you own this master, too, this time, right? Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. Make some noise for that. Make some noise for that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think Cardi should do it. They don't have to be in the same room. We've done things.

Yeah, they don't got to be. Yeah. Cool. Let's go to the next one. For some reason, I feel like this is one of your top three of the album. Call My Bluff. Yeah. Cool. Let's go to the next one. For some reason, I feel like this is one of your, me taking direction and like, you know, really hopping into character and really just trying to execute what it is that P wanted me to, you know, what, the whole idea of the record, um, came from, I thought I was going to have an issue with somebody. Right. And I was telling, I was telling Pharrell about it and my man had called me and was

like, oh, you know, you know, I heard it's about, you know, it might be some blah, blah, blah. He was like, well, you know, his heard it might be something, blah, blah, blah. He was like, well, you know, his girl be trying to fuck me all the time. And he was like, yeah, she be in my DMs. He was like, yeah, all the time. He said, so I'm a fucker. He said, I'm a taper. He said, we going to have fun with it.

We can have fun. Like, we can have fun with this whole shit because it's going to kill him. Right. Right? And then he was like, and you know, and if you go crazy, but if you get crazy or whatever, he sent me two addresses. He was like, you know, it can go wherever. I thought about it. I'm thinking to myself, like, I'm not even on it. Like, I'm not, I ain't even tripping like that but

i knew it myself like yo if i even entertain this i was excited about it at first and then i was like if i entertain it it's a false that i can't really turn off because he not gonna play at all so um needless to say i told i was telling p about it and that's where the the nonchalant i can get it done I can have I can have it happen da da da da da Joker energy

nonchalant you know what I'm saying it's my way if I really want it to be my way right um attitude

comes from in the joints I wouldn't have thought that yeah that's not me that's just the real backstory I wouldn't have thought that alright so scrap it off scrape it off the top

scrape it off the top i just i thought man the record was the track was so it was was fun that's that's your radio record to me you think so to me to me that's i want to see you win anguilla oh okay eating mangoes okay on the yalla chair you know the the thing? What's it? The thing? The hammock? Hammock. The hammock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the yalla chair. Yeah, on the yalla chair. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah. I think that. I think that. That's it. That's my opinion. I mean, you know, I think it's fire. I mean, listen, it's performing crazy. You know what I'm saying?

Wow. I feel like Uzi is the king of the youth. For real. Yeah. I feel like Don Toliver is, when it comes to the melodies, I can't go on my Explore page and there ain't a girl putting on makeup to Don Toliver's music. Wow. Fire.

You know what I'm saying? He's talking at that frequency that people rocking with. Girls are rocking with. So you could be right. I'm just, you know, you got to see how these joints, you know, how it turns out. Wow. Hear me clearly. Yeah, hear me clearly, man.

You know what's crazy? This is real talk. Mm-hmm. I don't think anybody here knows this. I probably started working with Pharrell in 97 it had to be because it dropped in 98. Remember back then we had to record a year in advance.

As much as I've ever been around Pharrell, as much as it gave me one of the first pair of vapes and I wore it and everyone laughed at me because they said, those look like fake uptowns, right? Me too. Never one time in all of these years has Nego ever said hi to me.

Wow. I swear to God, we've been in the same room. We've been, I've to God, we've been in the same room. We've been... I've never once... He's never like said hi. And I might be just as guilty. Yeah, like I'll, you know...

I might be just as guilty because I've never... Probably never said hi back because I never felt like... I never felt like his energy permitted me to say hi. So, all these years, I've never said... Me and Nego have never spoke.

I don't even know if he can speak English. That's how ill it is. I've never seen him speak. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you know, I can't even really speak to that. But, you know, I know that just with him, it's a respect thing and just respecting people's space. It's just what they do over there anyway.

So, I mean, he's familiar. We met him. We met him because of the music. I heard that y'all met him because of the jewelry, right? No. Well, he was a fan of the music and then found out that P was getting his jewelry done from Jacob. So he would come and get everything P got in three colors with all the best diamonds every time. And that's who really made that connection as far as Nego goes. Rob Markman, Jr.: All right. So let's get to that record.

Rob Markman, Jr.: Yeah. Rob Markman, Jr.: Break down that record. Rob Markman, Jr.: Oh man, hear me clearly. One of the first records that I did, and the beat just had a real... It just spoke to me and it spoke to the Hot 16 in me. Just recently, my biggest regret from this album is Nas not being on this record. The one verse that I had on it, I sent it to Nas ages ago. Ages ago. As soon as I got it, I was like, nah, I want Nas on this. Because I felt like I don't know, I just felt like he would have killed it, right?

So, it got quiet. I didn't hear from him for a long time, or whatever. But I gave it to him so long ago that I felt like you know, it gave me time. So, I ran into him at Coke, man. The Korean

steakhouse What is it? COTE Yeah yeah Put a little bougie to it Put a little bougie to it I thought it was Coke Yeah yeah

You know what I might be putting out a play wrong No I don't know That could be Let's call it COTE Yeah yeah COTE Alright so So man I ran into him man

He's like yo what, what's up? Blah, blah, blah. In Miami or New York? In New York. Okay, cool. In New York, man. He owned them both. Yeah, he, man, he brought out thousands of dollars worth of Wagyu.

Mm-hmm. And sent it over to the table, came over. We just talked about it. I was like, man, you know, I still want you on this record. I said, man, I want you to be, I said, I'm going to put this record out because by this time, Paris just talked about it. I was like, man, I still want you on this record. I said, man, I want you to be... I said, I'm going to put this record out because by this time Paris Fashion Week had happened. They had got the snippet. They had got all

the hits or whatever. I was like, but I want you to still be the last verse because that'll be the surprise on my album. Because I'm going to put the song on my album for sure. You out here trying to have whole vanities on this shit. You know what I for sure so um you know what i was doing right yeah so um so um yeah like it just didn't happen man it did

not happen man biggest regret biggest regret of the album wow okay moving on open air yeah um open air i feel like open air was an answer to one of those records and um it was either an answer to dreaming of the past or the answer to um to hear me clearly that was pharrell trying to get in his dark bag and um just you know just trying to really just, like, man, Ye couldn't have all the hard records. Gotta show he could do it too. Right. Okay, now, the last one.

The best one. You know what? It's crazy. When I first listened to it, I didn't look at the features on purpose. Okay. I wanted to just appreciate the music. Okay.

But what I did want to do was to listen to it in order that you made. Okay. Sometimes they shuffle. So what I kept doing was after I was playing it, I went back to the original playlist to make sure that it was correct. And you and your brother sound so good together. Yeah. an original playlist to make sure that it was correct. And you and your brother sound so good together. Yeah. I couldn't know...

I couldn't really see where you started and he finished at one point. So, I sat back and I was like, oh shit. Because like I said, I didn't look at... I didn't know he was on there. Yeah. And it just reminded me like, oh shit, the young version of clips.

I remember, you know, I remember the grinding video me driving out there and me going to your hood and seeing like wow, Virginia is really fucking the hood like... And it just... But how hard... I know you got the little brother card

I've been watching your interviews. But still, this album doesn't really represent what he represents. What I mean by that is, you know, he's a man of God, he's a man like this wasn't like a Mace move not taking a shot at Mace but like

this was like he really dove in like you follow him on Instagram he has people that he preaches to this is this is a real full-fledged thing. So, how do you convince him like I said I know you got the little brother card but other than that because it's like I know you're going to say well, you got this other content on here. So how do you

convince him to do that? You know, it wasn't really convincing. I think my brother's really, he's really self-aware. Like he knows, my brother knows he's like the realest. He knows he's the realest so you can put him in any any situation and he just gonna be him do him he don't you know he doesn't necessarily think that because he's on a record that has whatever type of content that you know if you let him tell it he getting his message across and his take away from his yeah right and you know And it's competitive for him too. He like, man, I'm still dope. I'm dope. And I can be dope saying this.

And I can be better than you saying it. That's his whole shit. So that record, I think that record let everybody know that the possibility of doing a Clipse record would make a lot of people happy. And just, I don't know, I think that it would just be up to him. It's just up to him. It ain't even me. Rob Markman So there's no more conversations from that record that spawned into making it a reality?

Funny thing is, he hit me the other day like, oh, I see what they saying. He hit me the other day. He's like, I see what they saying. And he was like, yo, I want you to change on the credits. Make sure it says Malice, not No Malice. Wow. Yeah. Because it does say No Malice. It does? Yeah. No sure it says malice, not no malice. Wow. Yeah. Because it does say no malice.

It does? Yeah. No, it says malice. It says malice. Wait, hold on. It says malice. Yeah. What is this?

Right there. See, I pray. No malice. But what is this, though? That was Google. Oh, yeah. No, no, no.. No malice. But what is this, though? That was Google. Oh, yeah, no, no. Not on the actual. Look, you want to send a message.

No, no, but I'm on another page. Yeah, we got the bootleg Google. That's what I'm saying. You got Google. You got Google. Look at this right here. He got the Columbia Google. He got the Columbia Google.

That's Google. That's Google's own cocaine, man. They listening to your rap. They want the cocaine Google. He got the Columbia Google. This Google's on cocaine, man. They listening to your rap. They want the cocaine Google. You know what I'm saying? He's from Columbia. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, it would be crazy, though, if you guys pulled off an album together, that duality can exist. Yo, yo, listen. It would be so crazy. If we worked together too long. This is what you... Yeah. I remember a dude from my hood, he passed away so I don't

want to... He told me, he was like yo, I want to get on, right? He was like, so I want to diss you. And I was like, diss me? I was like, what sister's that make? He was like, no, because you're the biggest artist so if I diss you I'll get attention. So I said, alright,

you know what we'll do? Let's do it on the same record. You diss me but I'm going to be able to go back I'm sorry I really rap. And it made me think about that because it was two opposite opinions. And I was like, yeah, but he never got to do it he passed away.

But I think of that when I think of you and your brother like you're not changing nothing. Nothing. And him not changing nothing. And it'd be the opposite of opinion but it's where you guys correlate and where you guys go down the same train.

You know, even in my solo career, I still know the difference. I still know what I'm missing. That's the one thing I have not been able to really pinpoint to give you know to to to sort of give to the fans what you and your brother no like the fact of me being solo and not being able to really channel and tap in I know what the fan is missing when they just hear me and don't hear him right you know I'm saying I really really do and um And, you know, it's something I used to, you know, I really used to try really hard to do. Right. But still to this day, I still don't, I don't hit the vein.

I don't hit the vein properly when it come to that. And he was rapping before you. Oh, for sure. My brother's five years older than me. Right, right. Yeah, he's been rapping, been everything for me. Do we have a church? No.

We need to, hip hop need to build. Oh, a church? Yeah, Malish Church. Listen, he'd kill it. Yes. He'd kill it. We need, because there's certain people who I want to pray over me. It'd be like Rev Run, DMX, and your brother. Yeah.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Pray for me. I was a dick because I believe in him. You know what I'm saying? I believe. X wanted to do a song with my brother. Oh, no. That would have been crazy.

I know. That would have been crazy. You had a relationship with X, correct? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That was a big homie so we're going to move on right now

by the way congratulations once again for the album congratulations for making a masterpiece I'm going to go ahead and say it's a classic thank you I'm not going to wait for the you know how everyone else it's definitely a classic

and I'm very glad that you didn't let Kanye slack, you didn't let Pharrell slack because these are both very rich people. Before we move on to Quick Time with Sly. Yeah, I'm going to piss while you do that. Okay, yeah, all right. This is a watch question. You probably don't even care.

You probably don't even care. Who got the best watch game in the game? Pharrell. Pharrell. Probably don't even care. Who got the best watch game in the game? For real. For real. For real. Okay, I'm talking about everybody. I mean, man, it might be. Ho got the most expensive watches.

He got the most expensive for sure. Right, right. Okay. But, um... I don't know, man. I mean, P is strong. No, P is crazy. Let me just tell you something.

P was wearing Richard Milley's when I thought it was Swatch. A long time ago. That's what I'm getting at. That's what I'm getting at. I'm talking about... When you're talking about what I'm getting at When you talking about first When you talking about first You gotta really

It ain't a lot that he ain't first Yeah So it's I mean Mark Wahlberg is out here disrespectful Who is that? Mark Wahlberg Yeah yeah yeah he is Mark Wahlberg is disrespectful Yeah he's disgusting Yeah Mark Wahlberg is out here disrespectful. Who is that? Mark Wahlberg. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is. Mark Wahlberg is disrespectful.

His wife's killing him. Yeah, he's disgusting. Kyle is out here monkey-footing shit, too. Yeah. But, yeah, the old... Pharrell got a $6 million joint from the moon. With the moon dust in it or something? Yeah, I was going to say, you know how, like, we came up together. You can't even say that with that watch.

You can't just be like, I was going to take that loss. Listen, he got all the watch. I mean, and you know he only doing the ones. The ones. I see he got a new Richard Milley with the Cuban Link band from Richard Milley. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

This is, excuse me, he calls him Rich Hard. Yeah. Rich Hard. I don't know how to pronounce the nigga's name. Rich is... Excuse me, he calls him Rich Hard. Yeah. Rich Hard. I don't know if I'm not... It's my name, Richard. I'm called Richard. But, uh... So, he's saying Pharrell, top one.

Jay-Z, most expensive. Yeah, I mean... Who? Listen, I ain't going to lie. J Balvin. I said his name correct this time? Yeah. J Balvin out here.

Oh, yeah. No, he's heavy too. I'm just saying that like when I'm considering the game, I'm talking about like, man, when you... I feel like Pharrell put a lot of people on to things. Yes. You know what I'm saying? We talking about the watches right now, but even that, I feel like he put people on.

Right. You know, it'll be a back and forth. I mean, bro, look how far hip hop is coming. Everybody's a billionaire every day. So it can be a new most expensive watch every day. But I'm talking about, you know, when you look at who is like, okay, people following culturally like what he did,

whatever the case may be, I feel like, yeah, like he's like one of those, definitely one of them ones. Yeah. Him. Drake is outside too. I don't know. I'm not, I don't follow him. I was just wanting to see your face expression. I don't know.

I'm not, I don't follow him. I just wanted to see your face expression. I'm sorry. That was like, he's pretty ill too. Yeah,

but you said Pharrell in your book, Pharrell, number one watch guy. Yeah. Okay, we're going to play a game right now.

It's called Quick Time with Slime. Mm-hmm. Sure you're familiar with it? Let's do it. We're going to give you a choice, one sort or other.ime. Sure you're familiar with it. Let's do it. We're going to give you a choice, one sort or other.

Yeah. If you, if you pick both, you take a shot for it. If you're not drinking, we can have somebody come in and drink. We got Mr. Lee

come in and drink for you if you're not drinking because he's been on your album. I can tell you, I did cocaine deals together. I'm just talking about the Dominicans. Mr. Lee definitely did cocaine. Whatever a Dominican or just talking about the Dominicans. It doesn't get cocaine.

Whatever the Dominican or the guy from Virginia is definitely cocaine involved. I just know y'all. I just know, I just learned this. But if you want, you can do that. Or you can, because I heard you drink, you drink deli. You drink the black man. Yeah, for sure.

You drink the black man's drink, god damn it. That's right. You got someone drinking for you? You got someone drinking for you? No, I have nobody drinking for me because I got one more day of Ramadan. I'm trying, you know, I'm trying. I'm going to make the one day.

Cool. The one day. But we celebrating you. Sonny can't drink for me. Yes, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm sorry. Oh, okay. I apologize.

I apologize. I thought you meant me personally. No, no, no. Sonny, come here, brother. I don't like being too sober and shit. It's like... Sonny, you don't have to put on a headband for this. Come on.

Okay, this one off top. Yes, sir. Can we get him a cup? This one off top. Give Sonny. Now, I'm going to tell you off top. I'm picking somebody every time, so it don't matter. So we're not drinking, is what you're saying.

I'm picking somebody every time. Cypress Hill killed it. They did it. They picked somebody every time. It you're saying Cypress Hill killed it They did They picked somebody every time They're all them together They all was in one In unison I tell you

I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you one I don't know if I'm I'm going to tell you one time You called me and you was disappointed In you? No And for real Actually, I'm going to tell you one time you called me and you was disappointed. In you? No.

No. Oh. And for real. And I'm going to tell you. In fact, it was a 6 o'clock in the morning call. Yep. I remember where I was at and you taught me something. You didn't know this.

I don't know if you know this, but you taught me something. This is when we first came up with QuickTime. I didn't want you to air it. Huh? I didn't want you to air it. Are you when we first came up with Quick Time With Sly. I didn't want you to air it. Huh? I didn't want you to air it. Oh, so you were going to say it right now?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't want you to, the Quick Time With Sly, I had wished you didn't air it, you know, when you had to go back and forth. Okay, all right, so I remember you called and you said, I'm in the middle of making this album and we almost damn near in the middle of a war with this guy and he had to be politically correct because I believe the answer for Quick Time and Sly was Pusha or Drake and Pharrell said he drank for it.

He drank for it and was like he's being politically correct. And it was the first time I ever heard you even like not mad but you were disappointed like we're in the middle of war. This motherfucker making my album. He couldn't pick me. I've never seen too emotional. That's genuine. And this is on the phone. Genuine.

Yeah. And is that because I... There's a cold in the streets, right, where you're my man. I'm with you right or wrong. But I also tell you when you're my man i'm with you right or wrong but i also tell you when you're wrong oh yeah i do that why did you feel like not betrayed i don't want that's a wrong answer

why didn't you think farrell answered he didn't answer that question correct? Because there is no wrong when it comes to me and P. Right. It's just, you're right. I don't care. And that's just what it is.

Right. I respect that. That's just what it is. Even when you're wrong, he could be the wrongest person in this room right right now he's right now we can go out there and i'll be like yo you wrong but that's how it goes that's just going back to the team yeah like that's just what it is but but i will say this though like you he's just what it is. Right. But I will say this, though. Like, he's sitting in front of you. You know what I'm saying?

And, like, he got... You know, he's sitting in front of you, and you're the same. Right. It's us. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking, I expect Pharrell to be politically correct.

Right. Until you gave me that point of view, it was like, yo, I'm in the middle of making the album now. Right. He's producing it. I don't need that type of... I wanted him to say, you know, me. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And I didn't look at... I didn't look at every single... You know, on a chessboard where the pawn moves a little bit. Yeah, yeah. And no one really just picks it up. That little move that the pawn makes matters, too, later on down the line.

Every move matters. There's a lot. Every move matters. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Speaking. Let's go, let's go. Every move matters.

That's what people don't know. Every move matters. Every move matters. That's true. And the pawn could be know. Every move matters. Every move matters. That's true. And the punk can be good. Every move matters. Right. Yay.

Every move matters. P, every move matters. Right, right. Yes. Right. Okay. Yeah. We're getting into Quick Time with Sly.

And by the way, so you know, your friend Mr. Lee writes this to crash people up. So he definitely probably did this directly for you. All right, cool. You ready? Now, this is either artist, producer, whichever way you want. Shout out to Puff, man. Yeah, shout out to Puff. Shout out to Puff.

Yo. Shout out to Puff. Shout out to Puff. And Giddy, that's right. He making an album and shit. Yeah. Yeah, he ain't even let me hear it because he said I'm going to blow it up. All right. He's making an album and shit. Yeah. He didn't even let me hear it because he said,

I'm going to blow it up. I said, yes, I am. Kanye or Pharrell? Pharrell. I'm stuck. Okay. Jadakiss or Fabulous? Jada.

Swiss Beats or Timberland? Swiss. I'm not going to ask why. Oh, I mean, you know, I'm just, you know, Swiss made money, cash, hoes. I'm done. Money, cash, hoes. Money, cash, hoes. Yeah. Primo or P-Rock?

Shit. You're shy? No. No. Primo made duet. Primo. Okay. 2 Chainz a bit strong. 2 Chainz had the best verse on Mercy. Okay. How's the verse go?

How's the verse go? Nobody remember? Come on. Come on. 2 Chainz had the best verse on Mercy. You remember a little bit? Let's go again. Can't put up with it.

All right. All right. All right. KRS or Rakim? Fuck. Man. Take a shot. No, I'm not taking a shot. I'm going to pick one.

I'm going to pick one, but... I'm going to take a shot. But you had to take a shot to that? No, I hate just taking a shot. I'm going to pick one. I'm going to pick one. I'm going to take a shot. But you had to take a shot to that? No, I just taking a shot. Who do you think? Both. Both? Yeah.

I would. Man, that's tough. Both were game changers at that time. Yeah. So both? I don't know, man. See, right this very second. I feel like you mean it, Rakim.

No. No, because right this very second, I feel like KRS still could sit in front of me and rhyme and scold me and everybody at this table right now. You know what I'm saying? And he would. He would, right? Yeah. But Rakim definitely had more of an impact on me just culturally. Like, I feel like, you know. You never notice Rakim ain't even curse.

Right. That's crazy. Just crazy. I'm going to say both. Forget it. I'll say both. Yeah, take a shot. Okay.

But I ain't scared to say either one. I just can't think right now. It goes without saying. Okay. But I ain't scared to say either one. I just can't think right now. It goes without saying. Okay. ODB or Biz Markie? Biz Markie. And pretty much they was in the same category too, right? I like that.

If it wasn't like a Biz Markie, it probably wouldn't be an ODB. I like it. Because like comedy, rap. I love it. Yeah. I definitely love it. Let me ask you before we move on. Yeah.

Have you been approached to do Versus? No. I don't think so. Right? No. Something you're interested in? Not really. Huh?

No. Not right now. Not right now? I'm still like I'm still competing right now in the right right now and I'm still like trying to like I don't even want to

bro I'm working on the next album now like right this second the third and fourth or whatever days I'm supposed to be in the studio. I actually canceled studio today. So nah, I'm like trying to, we going to see how far this really, really go. And I ain't trying to reminisce about nothing.

That's fire. Okay. So you ain't, yeah, so you're saying basically you're not interested in Versus right now? No, no. Even if the bag is hefty?

Oh, I mean, if the bag's stupid, who am I? I mean, then you'll reminisce about something. But no, Versus is something I like. Like, it's stupid, but I'm not... Then you'll reminisce about something. But no, but like, no, versus it's something I like. Like, it's something I like.

It's something I like to watch. It's something that I'm into. So bag-wise, I wasn't even thinking. I'm like, I'm thinking you're just asking me on some... In general. What you want. You know, it's kind of like, I don't know, you know, obviously you know, but DJ Cassidy, he has this thing called Pass the Mic, which I love.

He's been asking you to do it forever. He's been asking me to do it, but he names it 90s rappers. And it's like, I don't want to be there, bro. I'm a 2022 hip-hop media motherfucking mogul. I don't want to be labeled a fucking 90s rapper.

I mean, nah, it's just that... You ain't doing it you just said me and you were saying the same dialect in a different way in a different vernacular but because you don't like you don't want you you still still perform grinding? I do. I will. I'll still perform grinding. I don't perform much else, though. Okay. You know, I still perform grinding.

All right. Because I went to a Cameron show, and he didn't perform Horse and Carriage. I was mad. I was upset. I wanted Horse and Carriage and 357. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you would. Yeah, you would. I mean, I would.

I never told him that. Probably just texted him. Okay, boom. You ready? Boys in the hood or minister of society? Boys in the hood. Okay. Boys in the hood. Okay. Now, Boys in the Hood, that's...

Dough. Ice Cube, that's right. Mm-hmm. Men's Society is... Mm-hmm. Lorenz Tate. Lorenz Tate, that's right. And Boys in the Hood was first.

Okay. A$AP Rocky or Travis Scott? A$AP Rocky. You said that very fast, sir. I mean, like them both, but Rocky. Because a lot of people say that Rocky's like the originator. Oh, I don't even compare the two. I just, you know, Rocky's taste level is just A1.

Like super high. I think Travis makes dope records. I think there's something that's really classic about Rocky that I fuck with. Rob Markman Yes, we fuck with Rocky too. Rob Markman Yeah. Rob Markman Okay, you got the next one? Rob Markman No, I don't even have it pulled up. Come on, man.

Rob Markman When you fuck up, then you tell me you got the next one. Rob Markman No, no, no, it's not I fucked up. I just forgot to type in my code because people be telling me my code. I be switching my shit every week. They be like, yo, brother. You be like, every 20. You got the white one?

1, 2, 4, 5. I can't get into my phone. They be like, your code is 1, 2, 4. I be like, how the fuck do they see this shit on the internet? So, yeah. Yeah, stop doing that. Hey, I've learned.

Saha the Prince or Rhymefest? Hmm. Hmm. They've both been a part of history. I'm going to say both. Okay. We respect that. Oh, we got to take the shot, buddy. Yes.

Come on. Take the shot. Don't fall asleep here, bro. They've both been a part of history. They've both been done some very, very incredible things and been a part of a lot of, like, legacy shit. Like, can't even front on them. Either one.

Okay. Ready? Yep. Big L or big pun? Big pun. Reason why? Big pun. Big Pun? Big Pun. Reason why or you- Big Pun. Big Pun made twins. It's crazy.

Ain't nobody doing that. Get in the middle of the little- I like how he refers to the specific track that he's thinking in his mind at that moment. Yes. I love the fan version of it. I love it. You get the fan moment, you get the fan- The name of the song.

I love it. I can see it in your eyes. I can just see it's just like a totally different thing to you. Okay. Pablo Escobar or El Chapo? Mr. Lee wants to know. Definitely Mr. Lee question. He would put Mr. Lee, but...

Pablo Escobar Pablo Escobar because he was first nah it's not because he was first but um I mean Chapo might have gone further you know what you know what it Because I get...

You know what it is? I get... I get family vibes out of Pablo. Like, I got to see... You know, when you hear about it, when they talk about him, you see, like, oh, man, he loved his kids and things like that. You know what I'm saying? I don't know that type of intel with Chapo.

Yeah, I don't know that type of thing. I heard Escobar gave his horses cocaine and everything. You know what? That's the information you got out of it. I mean, what I'm saying is it's a real thing. Like, I feel like, you know, people will hear about the, you know, then they'll think, you know, just like some type of tyrant. But it was dope to get some of that insight

that he was kind of like a family man. And that picture, that's an iconic picture. Him and his child in front of the White House. Just straight tourists right there. Bro, how can you not?

Who doesn't have that? I got that picture with my pops too. That same exact one. Your pops was like, He's Cuban and he can't do that. Oh, shit. Okay. Missy or Eve?

Missy. Missy was the only Mr. Me. Missy, hold on a second. Missy over everybody. How about that? Right. You think Missy could beat only Mr. Meaner. Missy, hold on a second. Hold on, stop. Missy over everybody. How about that? Right. You think Missy could beat Busta Rhymes in the verses? Missy, Missy, untouchable. Busta Rhymes, though?

In verse? I'm going with Missy. Missy from Virginia. I'm riding. Missy is your only Mr. Meaner. That's it. I'm going with Missy. Busta Rhymes, the mighty infamous.

Goat, God level. Yes. Missy is your only Mr. Mina. That's it. I'm going with Missy. What's the rhyme? The mighty infamous. And go. God level. Yes. Missy. She going to come out with raindrops? Listen, let's play video for video. What's up?

What's up? Pull it off. What? You don't want to talk that shit. What? I got boss up back. Listen. I got Missy back too. I'm all in too.

You got Missy. I'm going to stand on it. I'm going to stand on it. I'm going to stand on Missy. Win, lose, or draw, it's whatever. That would be the most incredible versus there ever is. And they got to do by visual, too, because they're the best visual people. They're the best two visuals. It's true.

You can't just do, you know. Yeah, yeah. I love that. I love that. Missy's a motherfucker. We need you on Dream Chance, man. Yeah, we need you on Dream Chance. That'd be dope.

Yeah, that'd be incredible. They got Diddy or Steven Victor, but they don't know you like I know you. So I'm taking Diddy out of there. And I'm putting Rob Walker or Steven Victor. Chico. I got Chico. Rob Walker or Stephen Victor? Ah! Ah! Chico. Chico. Ah!

Man. We drinking? Man. No, I ain't drinking. Don't talk. I'm not, man. I'm not. You know, man.

You know I love them both. We going on vacation, all of us together, just recently. I mean, just, you know, coming up soon. Okay. But, man, Steve and Victor, man. You get to the back. Dog, we going. Okay.

We going. Win, lose, or draw, we going. Listen, down together, the worst times to the best times that's what it is y'all billboard magazine with gloves on for sure and i mean you know and and and and rob rob did manage me at one time right but you know uh pharrell at pharrell and chad that was there that was their Stephen Victor Rob he managed all of us you know what I'm saying and it was and he was the one to them

right Stephen is the one to me so I'm going Stephen okay but you know you know yes

yes we love them all right let's go yeah drink to that god damn drink to that drink to my man Rob Walker and drink to that. Drink to my man Rob Walker and Stephen Victor.

That's right. Stephen Victor was here. He was here with Sean. Sean came. Yep. Yeah, definitely. I want to go to Belize for no reason. I swear to God, I was going to book a flight. Yeah, I was going to book a flight to Belize, Antigua. I don't know if this is off subject, but for no reason. I looked at my fucking

Instagram and it was like Belize popped up. I was like, I'm gonna just go. I'm gonna figure out if Sean is there later. Like, you know what I'm saying? We got a link with Sean. I don't know. I just felt like just going. And then my friend hit me. He's in Antigua. I was like, you know what? One of these days, I'm gonna go for one day and just go and just

fly in at 6 a.m. and then fly back out. I'm gonna do some dumb shit like that. I'm gonna tell you.m. and then fly back out. We'll do some dumb shit like that. I'm going to tell you. J. Cole or Kendrick? J. Cole or Kendrick? I'm going with Kendrick. I'm going with Kendrick. Wow.

Okay. 90s versus 2000s. 90s versus 2000s. 90s verse 2000. Hip hop. Just give me 2000. Take it 2000. Just tell me. No, no, no. What is 2000?

Yeah. You're saying all the 90s verse all the 2000s? Right, right, right. Oh, shit. Musically, genre, like, yeah. So 90s, you got Chris Cross, you got Jumper Ram. That's the first thing

we're about to get. What do we do right now? We got Wu-Tang. We got Nas. Oh, we got Wu-Tang. We got... We got Nas. We got Mobb Deep.

We got Raekwon. We got Mobb Deep. Oh, fuck. CNN. Oh, yeah. You know it's 90s. But clips, don't we have clips in the 2000s? I don't care. We got clips in 2000s and But clips, don't we have clips in the 2000s?

I don't care. We got clips in 2000s, and we got Trapper Die Jeezy in the 2000s. You know that's the fucking grail. Wow. Some of the grail. But you got Reasonable Doubt 96. I'm done. It's 90s.

Okay, so 90s. How about 80s versus 90s? Based on what you've been saying, too. Shit. Mobb Deep ruined my life. Prodigy did. 90s. It's the saying too. Shit. Mobb D ruined my life. Prodigy did. 90s. The 90s.

Cool. Get rich or die trying or Port of Miami? Get rich or die trying or Port of Miami? Yeah, both of the first. Both Rick Ross and 50s. Get Rich or Die Trying.

Okay. Yeah. Biggie or Jay-Z? Take a shot? Come the fuck on, man. Come on, bro. Come on, bro. Yeah.

Nah, like You can't answer it, man You can't answer it, bro Nah, but I don't like that I really don't You might think I'm a hoe or something He's the first person I've seen that's offended by having to answer Yeah, man.

I mean, by having to not answer, actually. Nah. I mean, it's just like the bar he said on your, he said, if Big was alive, Yeah, right. Home would be in this position. If Big was alive, would have survived. Yeah, I would have got the commission. Right.

Come on, you got to take a shot for that. Come on. Yeah, you're right. Let's take a shot for that right there. Let's take a shot for that. Come on. Yeah, you're right. Let's take a shot for that right there. Let's take a shot for that. Okay. Now, this one, I don't know where you can go with this. What is that?

Because I don't know if we ever, I know you met one of them. I don't know if you met the other one. Tupac or DMX? Tupac or DMX? Right. I'm going to go with DMX? Right. I'm going to go with DMX, bro. Right. You know, I didn't see Pac.

Yeah, I didn't get to meet Pac. You know what I'm saying? I didn't see him. I mean, of course, music, impactful, so on and so forth. But I went to the concert where they cried. Right. Like this. Yeah. I went to Rough Rider and Cash Money.

Cash Money and Rough Rider. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, both of them. Yeah. Y'all was on that tour. What was it called? You was on Survival of the Fittest, wasn't it?

I forget, but go ahead. Sorry. You know that's something that's fucked up with me because of music? Right. I don't remember dates and shit good. Like nothing. I don't remember nothing. I can't. My time frame is really off.

Is that because you smoke in a smoke channel joint? No, no, no. You smoke in a smoke channel joint. And fuck your memory up a little bit more. We got you, baby. All of this shit is a blur. It's got vitamins. But also, I'm going to say that X changed music and what was music crazily to me. Yes, he did.

I mean, I love big, everything going on, bad boy, boom, boom. And then he come with the dog collar, no shirt, blacking. You know what I'm saying? It was like, then he came and he dropped, he did two songs, did two albums in nine months. Rob Markman Right. Rob Markman He started that shit. Rob Markman Hell is hard, Hell is- Rob Markman Yeah, titles. Rob Markman And then-

Rob Markman Flesh in my flesh. Rob Markman Flesh in mylesh. Yeah, I'm slipping. Right? Yeah. Yeah, like, bro. Yeah. I mean, just for me, the impact was something visible. And had a record with Sisqó at the same time.

Listen. No, and what's that? The Aaliyah joint. Guilt. Yeah. Like, it's too much. No hype, man. And was active. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Performer. Yeah. Like, it's too much. No hype, man. And was active. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Performer. Yeah. Now, this next one, I don't know where you're going to go. Because I think this is definitely a double A for you. Major or independent? Because when you're owning your masters right now, you're a major independent, right?

No, no, no. Yeah, but I don't have a problem with i don't have a problem with the label a label as a partner i don't get that check yeah like i ain't i'm not i'm not and especially if you don't got the arms to to facilitate everything you need to be as an independent you know and i'm speaking i'm speaking on this because i'm from a place where independence never happened right you know i'm saying like i'm from virginia we never had the infrastructure to make some independent commonwealth right but we never just had the infrastructure to like... But you've never experienced independence though. Right. So, you wouldn't know really the difference right now. Right, well, yeah, well, no, I mean, you know what I'm saying,

Tony Draper was my manager. Right. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know what I'm saying, so I know... Yeah, that's independence. Yeah, that's independence at its finest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some of the perks of a major is like you said, you went out there, got the hard work, got a Jay-Z feature. Right. Probably wouldn't be able to get the video, but you got this and the perks of being in a major,

you have it played on 57 markets per hour. Right. There's got to be an estimated at least 57 million people who've heard Neck and Wrist. Right. Because of the perks of a major. Yeah.

It's give and take, remember. It's ownership versus the machine and it's both, there's no wrong or right. Yeah. It's give and take, remember. It's ownership versus the machine, and there's no wrong or right. Yeah, there's no wrong or right, and I'm going to tell you this. I don't know, man. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

I mean... So we taking a shot? Yeah, I'll take a shot. Fuck it. I'll take a shot. Yeah it. I'll take a shot. Yeah. Cheers, Chico. Okay.

Now this is. I'm not mad at either one, though, to be honest with you. If you got the arms to be independent, then it's go. You should. But if you don't, you can be just as successful on a major for sure. Okay. For sure. Okay. For sure. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways.

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Damn. I'm going to go with Conway. I'm going to go with Conway. Okay. I don't know why they keep putting these two together, but they did it with their albums, but now we're going to do it for them individually Rick Ross or Fat Joe Rick Ross

Teddy Riley or Babyface Teddy Riley care what happened? Fuck what happened? It's TR. Go ahead. He's definitely going to rip for the home team.

I was about to pronounce his last name. Don Tolliver? Don Tolliver. Tolliver or Lil Uzi Vert? Yeah. Nah. Nah. Yeah, I'm going to take a shot.

Okay. Okay. Nah, we're going to take a shot. Okay. Nah, we're going to take a shot. All right. New Jack City or Original Gangsta? New Jack City. Easy for you. A lot of people have been saying New Jack City.

Okay. Okay. D.C. or L.A.? D.C. or L.A.? D.C. D.C. or LA? DC. DC or Miami? DC. He's repping the area. Or Denver?

DC, man. I just wanted you to keep saying DC. I just wanted to keep repping your hood. I'm sorry. No, no, no. Listen, you know actually where I'm from hood I'm sorry No no no listen You know You know actually Where I'm from

I'm three hours away from DC Well now I got a house up there now And like Close by Right But um I just man

I'm just very Mid Atlantic East Coast Level That's where I'm The most comfortable With everything Like You know I know, I haven't

taken a flight since I was living in Maryland in that area. I haven't taken a flight to New York. I never took a flight and I would always get on a train and just, you know, take the train from DC to New York just to see the different areas I was going through and so on and so forth. I really got to identify who I'm talking to. That East Coast level of sophistication.

You know what I'm saying? I know exactly where my raps is going at. Anybody else is cool who gravitates to it it but i know exactly that dc baltimore uh philly maryland you know you call it mid-atlantic yeah yeah i never heard it that way oh yeah yeah yeah i mean i thought you're called a tri-state too right no you're all tri-state is when you get there us it's not DMV, no. Yeah, DMV. Yeah, DMV.

But DMV has never included where I'm from, Virginia Beach, 757 area code. That Hampton, we were our own thing. We've been our own thing. Richmond been their own thing. And then DMV was D.C., Maryland, and Northern Virginia. Ah, okay. been our own thing richmond been their own thing and then dmv was dc maryland in northern virginia ah okay so um let's be clear virginia is the east coast yes i mean we're in the east this is a big debate well no no it is technically it is it was the capital of the confederacy yes no for sure but no but i don't think we should be clapping for the Capitals. No, I'm just saying that's what he meant.

That it's technically the South. Okay. But in a music sense, the dirty South never adopted Virginia. Right. Or D.C. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Or Baltimore.

But Teddy Riley adapted Virginia. Well, New York. Yes. New York adopted Virginia during the late 80s you don't think Teddy Riley turned into Virginia I feel like he moved into yes that's what we're saying I don't think he every zoom zoom zoom in the room poem right yeah I. I feel remember that video I got almost guaranteed. I jerked off to that video

You need to drink now wow S-R-B-E-N. Come on. Zoom, zoom, zoom. What do you mean? That's a classic record. That's a classic record. That to me is like Dwick almost in a sense. You know, like a summer record that's never, it's forever. No, I didn't tell you why it came before Dwick. No, I'm just saying a classic summer record. Yeah. Yes.

It made me want to like, I always wanted to have a video like that. I never got one. That you jerk off to. Bro, you gotta chill. He told a table full of dudes, I jerked off to that. Bro, he's crazy. And he's sober as a motherfucker right now.

He made a zoo zoo. I don't want you to zoo zoo with no poom poom right now. It was crazy to me back then. was crazy to me Podcast or radio? Podcast Illmatic or ready to die? Illmatic or ready to die? Illmatic.

Styles P or Cameron? Styles P. Or Cameron? Styles P. Oh, you was answering that. Oh, sorry. Oh, I didn't know that. Styles P might be in my top five to three, dog. Just of like consistency, hard, lyricism.

Even gets a little conscious. Yeah. But scary conscious. You know, I don't know. Scolding conscious. Like,, I don't know, scolding conscious. Like, he's in my top. He's like, he's been there for a long, long time. Ray Kwan or Ghostface?

Ray Kwan. Because of his hats? Because he is the purple tape. Purple tape changing his life. Yeah. Now, let me tell you something. If the purple tape would have said Ghostface featuring Ray Kwan, I would have said Ghostface. Because it is hand-in-hand.

Yeah, but I didn't say Ray Kwan featuring Ghostface, so I got to go with Ray Kwan. Cypress Hills or Onyx? Cypress Hill. You said Cypress Hills or Onyx? Cypress Hill. You said Cypress Hills? In plural? Cypress Hill makes Stone is the Way to Walk. That's Mad Hills. N.W.A. or Wu-Tang Clan?

Wu-Tang Clan Mobb Deep or M.O.P. Mobb Deep over everybody Mobb Deep over clips Mobb Deep Mobb Deep loyalty or respect loyalty why

because you don't gotta respect me or respect? Loyalty. Why? Because you don't got to respect me. You don't got to. It's cool. I don't got to respect you. You ain't got to respect me. But if you're loyal, that means you're that close to me.

That means we're in a close, you know, in close dealings. And I put that over everything. Like we should be, everybody should be, loyalty should be on top of everybody's list, who you deal with, who you rock with. Yeah, take a shot. Take a shot for that. We always say that's probably the only trick question on here.

And I get how people depreciate the two. But I feel like really loyalty and respect, it's just like a hand in hand type of thing. Not in this generation now. But from where we come from. When I say where I come from, I don't mean my hood. I mean the generation. Yeah, this generation. You know what I mean?

Damn, that motherfucking Live Rez is smacking the shit out of me right now. We got some Brickle Boy, goddammit. We got Gigi Louise. That shit is hitting me crazy right now. Oh shit, Randy Acker in the building with a blue moonshine? You getting paid by Blue Moon?

But so moving forward, in this generation now, I can see how they don't coexist. But back then, if you had loyalty, you had respect. Back then, if you had respect, you had loyalty. I mean, I think I'm looking at it just in the sense of, you know, how I view the two words. Like, I don't care if somebody respects me. You know what I'm saying? You don't got to respect me. You don't got to know me. You don't got to respect me. It's whatever. Loyalty is something that is, you know, you get that opportunity to even experience loyalty by

being close to somebody. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're not close to somebody you know i'm saying like you you if you're not close to somebody you don't even expect loyalty so you can only look at that word in one you know in in a sense of being but wouldn't loyalty automatically bring respect with itself because the minute someone disengages from being loyal they disrespecting you at the same time so that mean it's tricky in that sense I guess I mean you mean true you know but I think you know I think you can separate both of them because again I can see this man right here I don't gotta respect that man or nothing he don't gotta respect me you know I'm saying loyalty ain't even an option we don't even know respect me. You know what I'm saying? Loyalty ain't even an option. We don't even know each other. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when you start talking about loyalty, you're really talking about you're already putting a relationship there.

And when you when you mention loyalty, not necessarily with respect. Because the enemy could respect you and not be loyal to you. That's what I think is where it disengages. You know, like like someone from a distance in the streets could be like, I'm going to respect them and I'm going to move accordingly to how I respect that they might move. Right. But I'm not loyal to that person. Yeah. It's separate though. Man, life is crazy, man.

Life is crazy. Life is crazy, Nori. Look at this. Yeah, that's what I'm about to say, man. Like not only did you think you'd still be here, like with the level of love that you receive, you know what I'm about to say man. Like not only did you think you'd still be here like with the level of love that you receive. You know what I'm saying? Like I go back to the Coil of Ray interview because it was just...

Man, Coil of Ray is a firecracker man. Yeah, that's the homie that I was saying earlier. Yeah, she's awesome. But what it was was to see Charlemagne like and have his like... You know, he's at the top of his game. Yeah. And he's sitting there and it's like, there's people like that that won't let what you do die at all.

Yeah. No, for sure. Right. No, you know, it's, I think that it's good to have champions like Charlemagne out there. And Envy, you can't Yeah, no, of course. Envy, Angela Yee, everybody.

But, you know, you gotta make it you gotta make it easy for them to champion you too. You gotta make that shit. You gotta be culturally relevant. You gotta be active and actively competing. And, you know, being able to put up your album

one for one with any of them. And I feel like that's something that I need to do more. Like, you know, I've been on some, I've been on some, you know, drop every two, three years type shit. This was even longer due to the pandemic or whatever. But I think just being more respectful to my fan. And if I'm really trying to get my language out there and show that I'm being competitive, I'm going to have to drop more frequently, too.

What's the new president or deputy you have? Tunji. Tunji. Yeah. How's it been working with Tunji so far? Ew. Ew. Tunji is dope.

Like, you know, young energy. He know what you talking about. And Tunji used to rap. He going to kill me for this. Really? Tunji used to rap. Don't tell me you got an old record with Tunji. I don't.

I don't. But I fucked him up. I told him. Right? I told him, I know you used to rap too. Because I brought him in to listen to my album first. And I was like, before we even go here, I know you're a rapper. So that's why you here. Rob Markman, Jr.: Tell me he, the African, what's the shit?

No, no, no, Bumba. What's that? Rob Markman, Jr.: I'm not sure. Rob Markman, Jr.: What the fuck are you talking about? Rob Markman, Jr.: I got that shit in my head. Rob Markman, Jr head Afrobeats? Yeah But he say he raps He doesn't

Rap? No he raps Like a rapper Like a person Like reggae Don't African No man

He raps Rap like bro He raps He raps Yes He raps Wow Yeah

He raps Yeah no for sure And um That had a lot to do with um i was letting i was letting him hit an album but that was part of the rollout specifically that's why i asked you how long you got to live with the record right because we wanted i feel like man people don't even rate and critique records no more. So we had the record sent out to everybody earlier. We experienced a leak, actually. And the version I had didn't have Drug Dealers

Anonymous on it. The one that I bought don't have Drug Dealers Anonymous on it. It's not on it. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't do that. But when you Google it, it is on there. Bro, stop Googling. I got the fucked up Google. Yo, we established that. We got Google. No, you know what's crazy? No, no, no, Bro, stop. I got the fucked up Google. We established that. We already said you got Google.

I forgot. No, you know what's crazy? No, no, no, no, no. Let's go to the title, man. On the playlist that you sent us, they got it on the album.

You're blaming Boris now? Yes. That's the... Yeah. I was confused with your song. Yes, only the song. They got it actually

under the album. Yeah. Come on, Nori. Push the T's new Dixie track towards Arby's. You saw Arby's shit because Make Down was jerky back in the day. Oh, that shit is off the chain. We didn't even get into it.

That was really good, man. That shit is off the chain. That was really, really good. I'm really proud of that. What, Arby's? No, I'm proud of it all actually. I'm proud of the campaign. Right, right.

I'm proud of it all actually. Because Steve Stout got y'all jerked back in the day. He didn't get us jerked, man. We was like 20 years old, bro. But, um, no, shout out to Stout, though, because, you know, he, um, he brought me and my brother in on the I'm Loving It campaign. Right. We talked about last drink chance.

Yeah, we talked about it. We wrote raps to it. Right. And from those raps came the catchphrase, I'm Loving It. And you did not know about residuals back then? Nah, hell no. That shit with the check was looking crazy. No publishing off of that. Bro, I wasn't thinking about that. I'm loving it. And you did not know about residuals back then? Nah, hell no. That shit with the check was looking crazy.

No publishing off of that. Bruh, I wasn't thinking about that. And I'm thinking this shit, oh, okay, you know, little two-month joint, ah, ah, ah, by the time it's over. That shit lasted 20 years. Niggas are still loving it. Might still be going, yeah, might still be going on. They still love it.

That was their theme forever. Yeah. Right. Nah, for sure. So then Arby's stepped you and said, let's get it cracking. Yeah, well, see, Arby's- They said, let's go to war. Let's get double, whatever, for sure. So then Arby's stepped to you and said, let's get it cracking. Yeah, well, see, Arby's. They said, let's go to wall. Let's get double, like that. I doubt they said any of that.

No, no, Arby's. In my mind, that's how it happened. Arby's was rolling with the rumor. I'm telling you. Like, what happened, what really happened was I had been speaking, and I'd been telling people that that was, like, my biggest regret. Right. You know, people ask you, like, damn, what's your biggest regret musically?

So I told them about the McDonald's thing. And then I proceeded to tell them that... But after that though, see, I've been in business with Arby's for a minute because me and Skrillex did a record together called Burial. And the We Got the Meats at the end of the Arby's commercial with the last... That shit is hard. I own 40% of that record. What? So, yeah. You've been out here doing jangle jangles for a minute.

Right. And that's why, because you were speaking about it earlier, you was like, man, I was doing this EDM stuff and I was like, bro, that was the path. Yeah, I got off the path. No, he was on point there. I was on point, but I didn't go too far. See, he was on point, but he wanted, that was the path. I got off the path. No, he was on point there. I was on point, but I didn't go too far. See, he was on point.

He was on point with that. He jumped off the path. The EDM is very commercial friendly. And once my manager, Steven, was really pushing that. Arby's? No, just pushing, just doing a lot of edm stuff like

yo just do it like it's cool whatever it is it's commercial leaning and so to get me to do it he would always ask for a super crazy amount of the song right like like yo give me 60 give me 40 give me whatever publishing and it i ended up doing the skrillex one for 40 and it ended up doing a Skrillex one for 40% and it ended up getting picked up so they knew yeah so they said on that I didn't say nothing he just owns that record he owns a piece of that record that Who Got The Meats is on

yes exactly so with that with that being the case they reached out to me and was like man we heard about what you said during the, you know, during the. They being Arby's. Arby's gang. Yeah, they like, yo, we been.

I'm Arby's gang. Hold on. Gang gang. I'm Arby's gang. Arby's gang. Hey, you know it's Arby's gang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure.

Okay. But, you know, they was like, yo, we heard about that, but we got this fish sandwich that we bring in the market. Let's, you know, let's do something. They want to bang against Wendy's, right? No. Was it McDonald's? McDonald's, fish filet. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Wendy's is next. And it just made sense. It just made sense. Because you had beef with McDonald's since. Beef with McDonald's and just everything I was going through, just beef wise, period. I didn't even think about that. That makes sense.

Yeah. So that's why it's really important to get the right people at these corporations because they know what's going on culturally. Whoever the guy is at Arby's does deserve a raise. I think he made it. Let's be clear that a lot of these executives now are of an age and a generation that grew up on hip hop that probably get it bored. Right, but he could have, because anybody could rap now, he could have got Astray Face, you know what I'm saying, to do Arby's Got Beef with Mickey D's and they wouldn't be the same, but they got a credible lyricist and you really got Darryl Arby gang, which

is tattoo. And I ain't got it yet. I'm going to get it though. All right. At least a piece. Yeah, no, for sure. Get the piece. For sure. Give me a chicken one.

You want a chicken wing piece? I want a chicken one. Do they got chicken wings? Bro, come on. I'm going to get the fish. I'm going to get the fish. I'm going to get the fish. I'm going to eat the fish.

I'm going to get the fish. Yeah, good job, bro. You need a drink to calm you down. I need a little drink. A little drink. Yeah, yeah. So, RV stepped to you and they said, listen. Yeah, they was like, yo, let's do this.

We're going to do a 187 drive-by on Mickey D's. Yes, for sure. Everybody getting it. Everybody getting it. Saving the block. Saving the block. Saving the block. And man, it really paid off.

It really paid off. I think it really tuned everybody from our culture totally into Arby's even more. I mean, I don't know if they really were before, but just to see the analytics

and the numbers. Right. No, it was crazy. I saw like Bloomberg talking about it and shit. The Washington Journal, Bloomberg, everybody. Did you hear

Ronald McDonald's comeback? Nah. He went in. He went in. He went in. I ain't buying it. I'm not buying it. It's crazy.

Ronald McDonald's gang gang. Yeah, yeah. He was like, who's the fuck? I was like, Ronald McDonald. They made his voice. This is by far one of the funnest hip-hop commercial battle there is because like I said, they could have got Astray

Face and a guy from the hood that is, you know, got super bars, you know, super talented, but they got you. Yeah. And then it's actually McDonald's is tweeting back. And it's a story. It's a story though.

It was like Meek Mill and Drake. It's actually make that was a tweet back and it's a story. We do Twitter. It's a story though. It's like meek Millen drink drink. It's the story. There's a story. That's what's up about it started off the Arby's gang. Now. This is the million dollar question. Mm-hmm. You eat the roast beef.

Yeah, for sure. No, no lie. I don't really know too many people need to roast beef. Now. I promise you. I'm always gang. I was pretty clean though, man. Okay. Now you can tell me. eat the roast beef. I promise you. I'm Arby's gang. Arby's pretty clean, though, man. I can tell you my order.

I can tell you my order right now. What's the number seven? I don't do that. I do it like this. I do beef and cheddar, no onion bun. I put sesame seed on it, shredded lettuce, tomato, Arby's sauce, curly fry, sweet tea. Let's go. Give him a raise. Give him a raise. Give him a raise.

I was told. Just so I don't eat beef. Do they got chicken? Yeah, they got chicken. They got some chicken. Focus on chicken. I'm getting some, like the fish sandwich.

You sold me on the fish sandwich. Yes. You told me that the other niggas is not them niggas. Right, right, right. They not. They not. I'm rolling with you.

Right, rolling with me. I'm rolling with you. Yeah, I'm rolling with you. We're going with you, yeah, I'm rolling with you. We're going to get some RVs out the road, but we got a Popeye's ad, bro, this is big. Yeah, relax, bro, yeah, relax. Relax, relax, bro, maybe RV wants to jump in the game. The AM's not dry, holy moly.

But did you, I know it's a cliche type of question, but did you ever think that hip hop would take it this far? Like, I know we're joking around with RVs. No, no, listen, that like i know we're joking around no that's why i do it right that's why i do it like like i really i really um man you know we from the time where like yo my first my first grammy nomination i had to go like the day before right when it was like untelevised it was like un-televised. It was un-televised. It was like un-televised and you had your own little stupid ceremony. They were smart.

Yeah. Like they won't Chris Rock shoot with a K-Mal if they did that. Right. It was the head of their time.

What do you mean it was the head of their time? Kill that. Kill that. Different award show. Hey man. You need to hear some shit now.

Yo listen. You heard Diddy. I told Diddy I ain't coming. She gonna be real. Hey, man. You need to get some shit out. Yo, listen. You heard Diddy? I told Diddy I ain't coming. She gonna be real. The Billboard Awards? No. He hosting and executive producing. When?

I don't know. Coming up. I'm going. I'm going. Now, if Diddy did it, he gonna have security on deck. He gonna fuck a nigga up. Niggas ain't fucking with Diddy.

Niggas ain't smacking Diddy for the host. I'm telling you that, bro. Are you tripping? Yeah, I'm telling you that. Hell no. He do't smacking Diddy for the host. I'm telling you that, bro. Are you tripping? Yeah, I'm telling you that. Hell no. He's doing the smacking. Yeah, Diddy is doing the smacking. That's a fact.

I'm going to be front row. Because if not ever. See, that's the billboard award. But he's... Yo, yo, yo. Sober Dory's better than Jack Dory, dog. Let me find out. We don't have to drink anymore.

Let me just be clear. He's also executive producing it. So, like, he's executive producing it because, got to remember, the Oscars was executive produced and produced by Will Ferrell and them, right? Not Will Ferrell. What the fuck? Will Packer.

Excuse me. I'm bugging you. Whatever did he do, he going to kill. He going to kill. Will Farrell. End of, right? Not Will Farrell. I said Will. What the fuck? Will Packer. Excuse me. I'm bugging you. Will Packer. Whatever did he do, he going to kill. He going to kill. He going to kill. He got dancers training and shit. Bro, listen.

And the show was dope. You got to give it to him. The show was dope. Ain't nothing playing. Nobody playing with him. What? The Oscars? No, I'm talking about he's hosting the Billboard Awards.

No, but we talking about the producer that you was talking about. Oh, yeah. Will Packer. Yeah. Yes, he killed it. The show was dope. He killed it. Yeah.

Yeah, he killed it. You interested in Oscars He killed it. Yeah. Yeah, he killed it. You interested in Oscars and shit like that? In Oscars? Yeah. I don't ever watch that show. No. I'm going to watch it next year. I just want to see if this nigga's going to get it.

Late. Yeah. Because I was going to see it. Nah, I never watch it. Never. Are you a war show guy? Yeah. Yeah?

You like in between breaks and shit? You know. your guy yeah yeah you yeah yeah in between breaks and shit uh you know i mean anything that you know they gotta do it music and especially if i'm involved and yeah i'm tuned in i listen i want everything that comes along with it you know i'm saying everything to come along with the game for sure that was i was super proud of um of daytona being nominated. God damn it. Yeah. Super proud of that. It was good, man. It was just like, you just think about it.

I remember vividly being at the Roc Nation brunch with Nipsey and us high-fiving and laughing. You went to the Obama White House shit too, right? Yeah. Wait, don't track him off for that. Yeah, but just, just, you know,

just being, being at the Roc Nation brunch, man, and we like giggling, laughing, high-fiving, like, yo, we got, we Grammy nominated, we in the same category,

like, they done fucked up, this is crazy. You know, and just, just being really happy, I remember like discussing with him just about being really happy. I remember discussing with him just about being really happy about the category itself. I felt like they got it. You say him. Who are you talking about? Nipsey.

Yeah, really. I felt like they really got it right. Cardi B ended up winning that year. And I still like, you know, I get it. It was Cardi. It was myself. It was Nipsey. It was Mac Miller. It was Travis Scott.

I felt like they got all facets all across the board. And, you know, at the end of the day, when it comes to the vote and it's just who they pick or whatever and who they think performs the best. But, you know, it was something that I don't think any of us could be mad at. You know what I'm saying? Right. The right people will include. Yeah, yeah yeah the right yeah no listen the cardi won she deserved that right but um you know having what it is that i do

in hip-hop my content the shit i talk about the shit where this shit is from next to that next to mac next to travis nip like it was Bro I couldn't ask for Nothing better and to put it in perspective If I'm not wrong the Grammys before Combined R&B and rap Yes sir yes sir Like that was crazy yes sir You remember they started a whole committee

Remember they like There's a whole committee they do one vote And then they bring in their committee folks And be like ah Let's edit this up A little bit You know those Who are part of the The board

Right You know what I'm saying Right Man I miss the days Of Kanye used to interrupt shit Leave Ye alone Ye Let Ye chill

He chilling right now Let Ye Ye chilling I just told him He's being creative As a motherfucker right now He's yeah he's chilling he's being creative as a motherfucker right now he's chilling he's chilling I told him

stay where you at yes yes you are great he seems at peace you are great he finally seems at peace listen he's listen peaceful calm

giggling laughing oh man and creative did you get my he designed my merch for yeah I'm like you know what's crazy

it's great you know what's crazy? It's great. You know what's crazy? It was one day, and I can't reveal anything me and him spoke about, but it was crazy that he had called me one day, and one of my friends called me with the same exact problem. And it was like, one of my niggas got $10 billion, and one of my dudes probably didn't even have $10.

And they had the same exact problem, and that shit changed my life. I remember where I was at. I was downstairs on the beach, and I just got one call from one dude, and then I got another call from another. It was simultaneously right back and it was like they had the same exact... And that's what let me know that money probably doesn't really make you happy. It gives you...

It puts you on that street but in order for you to be happy or not you got to walk through that door. No, money makes me happy. Yeah, money does make me happy. Yes, money makes me happy too, but what I'm saying is a lot... When I got out of the car, right, what did I do? What did I do when I got out of the car?

As soon as I got out of the car. Okay, I forgot. You walked? To your car. Okay, okay, okay. I walked to your car. To my car, okay. I walked to your car. I didn't walk, I didn't follow the camera. I didn't do that, no.

Yes, yes, yes. Yes, money makes me happy too, but I'm going to say overall, you have to have something else that... Do you agree or... Oh, for sure. No, no, no. For sure, you have to. I mean, that's why you're married, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think that... I think that... Money makes things better. Yes, it does. For sure. I mean, you know, being being happy like being happy is is something that you gotta like that starts within you ever smoked bad bad weed before

nah it's horrible nah you don't never want to be broke no it's a horrible thing you start being mad at everyone because you're smoking harsh no smoking i smoke i smoke on vacation every blue every now and then yeah you smoke you want to smoke that smoke chap joint no i'm i'm cool right now i'm drinking yeah but take it for later take it for later i got it so now one of the things that i noticed is you were very famous in the industry for having a whole line of Cartier bracelets. Right. Bust down.

Cartier bust down. That's not my thing. Watches. Watches. Let's make that clear. You know how I traded it. I got rid of my Cartier. As soon as I said,

get the fuck, get rid of it. Oh, man, I'm sorry. I'm dead serious. The record came out. As soon as the record came out, I paid my jeweler, I said, get the fuck, get rid of it. Oh, man, I'm sorry. I'm dead serious. The record came out. As soon as the record came out, I paid my due. I said, listen, I got to get rid of this idiot. Do you understand what you're doing?

So real watch people. Yeah. The real watch people? This watch, I consider myself a watch liker. I haven't been to watch Lover or Cussure. I'm a connoisseur, but I'm not, I don't

have the shit that look like nothing at $600,000. I don't have that. You know what I mean? I'm with you. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I admire those. I know what they look like. Right, right. I'm with you. I admire those. I know what they look like. Right, right. But for people that don't know, that's a normal watch guy.

Cartier bust downs are not good. They're just not my thing. They're just not my thing. That's it. I mean, you know, to each his own. But they're just not my thing. Right. Okay. I mean, you know, to each his own. Right. But they're just not my thing. Right. Okay. I like, I love the bracelet.

Yeah, I love the bracelet. How about the regular Cartier watches without bust down? I think they look nice. Playing Judy's. I think they look nice. Yeah. They're nice. Yeah.

Okay. That is a Batman you have on? Yes. That is a Sub you have on? Yes. That is a Submariner? Or that's a GMT? GMT. GMT, Batman. The man is out here exclusive, y'all.

The man is out here exclusive, y'all. In case y'all don't know, in case y'all don't know, that's the fuck you watch. You know what I'm saying? You know when you just outside because you know it look normal and shit, but you can't find that.

Dude, the retail is crazy. I'm going to show. I'm doing. We're trying to do a watch show. I'm leaving this watch show. Wine and watches. Wine and watches. Wine and watches.

What is. Because you named your album Daytona. Yeah. What is your favorite Daytona? The green anniversary. Green face anniversary. Breath of gold. Yeah. All gold. I bought that for my wife. Yeah. You brought the gold? Yeah.

All gold? I bought that for my wife, yeah. And I pay... And I... Did you just say you bought it for your wife? Yeah, for sure. Oh my God.

That's a different type of money. No. So, hold on, your favorite Daytona's the all gold green face. Yep, anniversary edition. Very, very hard to... Very, very, very, very, it's like Faux Massiflex show.

Very hard to get a ticket. It was, it was, it was, I paid over then. I never, never paid over for a watch. Are you a retail dude? Yeah. I never in my life paid over for a watch.

So you got direct to Rolex. Yeah. Direct to, direct to Rolex Germany, direct to Rolex, not even to Rolex, but to an authorized dealer here who's been down with them for like 30 years. So that's where I buy all my watches from. Germany and Miami?

Germany. The family was in Atlanta. They were in Atlanta and they have another store in L.A. Glendale. Glendale. And you get, So you found... Yeah, I've always been retail, retail, retail until... The green face.

And wifey wanted that or that was your suggestion to get it for her? That was what I think she should have. Okay. Yeah. Because she's balls. Yeah. She only wear man watches. Oh. I've seen a white lady do that to us the other day. She only wear man watches. The other day the white lady came in And I was like

Excuse me What is that She was like oh this is the man's presidential I was like oh That is some fly shit That is some fly shit So But yeah but now

I believe i paid maybe like 20 no just 20 over and now today it's like 35 over the 20 yeah yeah it's it's it's yeah when you name because i uh you know we're patting you on your back when you named your album Daytona, and it's crazy, since then it seems like watches appreciate it. Before, no, a little bit. A little before? No, no, no, a little bit after that, I think. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah. You think it's you? No, I don't know. I don't think it's me. I would have took that credit. No, no, no. You ain't seen it. You ain't seen two weeks after my shit dropped.

Daytona's went up. No. But it's true. But Daytona, yeah, Daytona was just about having the luxury of time. Did you know that Daytona at that time when you named it,

that the most expensive Rolex there is, is a Daytona? I don't think I knew. I don't know if I knew. Is that the one that... The Rainbow? It's two of them. Oh.

Oh, Rainbow Daytona is the most expensive one? The Rainbow Factory, yes. Oh, Rainbow? It's two of them. Oh. Oh, Rainbow Daytona is the most expensive one? The Rainbow Factory, yes. Oh, watches? From the factory. Okay. Yes, that one and I believe

it's Nicolas Cage has one. That's what I was getting at. Nicolas Cage. That's what I thought you was... I mean, I thought you was going back to the... Yeah, yeah. Somebody got an original like...

Yeah, he got some stupid shit. Yeah. Yeah, he got some stupid shit. Don't even look like a real watch. It's like weird. You just know it's Nicolas shit. Yeah, he got some stupid shit. Don't even look like a real watch. It's like weird. You just know it's Nicholas Cage. He's nigga Doug Gordon in 60 seconds. He got this.

He got it real. You know what I'm saying? I think him and I think it's the guy John Mayer too maybe. John Mayer. He's a Rolex aficionado. I just forgave him for saying nigga. Because you remember he said nigga back in the days. Yes.

Help me out. Yeah, he was in the Vibe magazine. He said, I got the pass to say nigga. Oh, man, come on. I mean, it got straightened out. Let's just go. Let's just go. Let's just go.

Let's just go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, you get him, but he's a big watch guy. He is, right? That's what I do. Ed Sheeran is a big watch guy. Ed Sheeran, okay, yeah. Ed Sheeran, yes.

Oh, me and Ed Sheeran have the same chocolate face Daytona. Chocolate with the leather band. Okay, okay. Yeah, he was working with... Chocolate with the leather band? Yeah. Oh, you sophisticated. You got suits.

I got a couple. He got suits. He got the big boy means. That's that big boy mean watch right there. Right. Okay. He was down here working with P one time, and that's when big boy medium. Right. Right. Okay. He was down here working with P one time and that's when we discovered that.

Yeah. Yes. And he had orange hair at the time. I forget. Wasn't that? I think it's orange or burgundy, somewhere. Brown? Brownish?

Yeah. We got to get you a watch, man. No, a fucking watch. Listen. I got a question. I'm watch listen i got a question i'm sorry yes sir i'm sorry where do you think lyricism is going in hip-hop because it felt that in the 90s right like coming out of the late 80s we talked about that era and then going into the 90s you could get it you you could have got a deal off of a clue mixtape kicking a crazy 16 right right sounding the you you could have kicked these lyrics and

you didn't even know half of these words you were saying what they meant right as long as it sounded good right and then we departed from that heavy yep where do you think the future of lyricism is in hip hop right now? I think that as long as there's somebody who has the passion for finding that lyric-driven hip hop, whether they be in these labels or whether they're a fan, um, I think lyricism is going to be here forever. I don't think, I don't think the fundamentals of hip hop die. Right. Like, I think that that is what, um, that is always going to be the cornerstone, cornerstone

and driving force of anybody who we say is nice out here. So, and there's all, and when you think about it, think about everybody, you know, all the biggest in the game. You know what I'm saying? They all are, you know, respected for their pen or respected for their lyricism. You know, you have all other type of sub genres of hip-hop um you know more vibey more whatever but at the base of it all even you know look at future and look at what future does when you when you but when you hear him and you decipher what he's saying even he has a title of

being like the illest toxic motherfucker because you you know because people can hear and understand and relate to what he's talking about that too is like ill-pimped i said that about trick because i'm from miami and to me trick was like the jay-z of miami yeah if you from miami you understand what he's talking about it's lyrical for sure hella lyrical for sure right but um let me ask you because um i've heard you bring up future that automatically automatically made me think of Desiigner, right? It made me think of that you were the president at the time. And he's been trying to get at us for quite some time. And I haven't been able to speak to him direct.

I don't think you have neither, right, Desiigner? Desiigner. Oh, no. Panda, panda. No, no. And his claim is, you know, Kanye got my publishing. Good music has the rights to me. He doesn't get any publishing.

He doesn't get any royalties. He doesn't get anything like that. But yet, I believe when the signing did happen, it was a big upfront check. Right. Where do you stand on positions like that? I mean, I feel like, well, I know Desiigner made a lot of money. Right. He made tons of money.

Right. And there's a difference from upfront money. I mean, however you want to look at it. He came in the game and made tons of money. No lie. Right. came in the game and made tons of money no lie right um i you know i'm i'm not on his you know in his management or anything like that so yeah so i mean i don't know um i don't know how even his deal is structured i know i know he you know i'm sure it was negotiated by his lawyer for sure and um however that turned out you know he was

he he approved it whatever it was right you know i'm saying and um shit when you think about it i mean you, you know, Desiigner was hot, man, like super hot, came into the game. Ye made your song, one of his biggest records on Pablo. Right. Gave you a hell of a springboard, hell of a, you know, hell of a trampoline to jump off of. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like, I don't hear, like, like see i don't hear the side of like uh designer being uh disgruntled i i don't hear that i think it's um it's it's a case because

whoever he's calling that's their point oh okay it's saying yo listen he wants to say like how he didn't he doesn't receive royalties and um uh he doesn't own his publishing or whatever and it's something that you know when i got in the game i sold my publishing i didn't know He doesn't receive royalties and he doesn't own his publishing or whatever. And it's something that, you know, when I got in the game, I sold my publishing. I didn't know. You didn't know you sold it? No, I didn't know. I got it back the very next hour.

Very next hour. You knew you sold it, though. No, I didn't. Did you know you sold it? I knew it afterwards. After... Now, whose fault is that? No, that was clearly my fault. Okay. It was clearly my fault. You were hella young. You were like what? No, that was clearly my fault. Okay.

It was clearly my fault. You were hella young. You were like what? Yeah, I was 17. I was 17, 18, maybe 18. Well, then that's really not your fault because you're under legal counsel. Yeah. Right.

But, you know, having lawyers and being in tune with your lawyer and your team being in tune with your lawyer that definitely does fall on you. Because you've got artists right now too, right? Yeah. Money Yon? No, no. Yon is my man. Oh, okay. Yon my man. Yon getting too much money to be my artist.

No lie. Let's speak about your artist. Let's speak about your artist. Let's speak about your artists. You got me a little nervous. I don't know what we're talking about here. No, but yeah, yeah. I have a record label that I'm building out. Not Good Music.

No, yeah. Is it under Good Music? No, Airwave Music Group. good music no airwave music group um it is um it's it's basically me building the infrastructure for people from the virginia area wow to uh be noticed like the one thing that i i always say is that when you think about all of us who came into the game tim missy pharrell Clips, whatever, being Knott's producers, whoever, right? We all had to leave and go get hot. Skills,

Magoo, whatever. We all had to leave and go get hot. I mean, you know, we had to leave and go ask for deals. That was, yeah, the story for every region at that time, right. Well, yeah, for every region that wasn't... Outside of New York. Outside of New York. Damn, yeah, hey, I could... No, i could not but it's just the truth bro it's the truth feel y'all feel it no no it

was an industry thing it was where the industry was right so so with that being the case and again we were adopted by that new york circuit virginia. We never took the time that a Houston did to build out theirs or a Memphis did or an Atlanta did or a Bay Area did. To make it self-sufficient, which they did. Right. They did that. So, you know, come around, fast forward. That's why when you look at what's hot, what's going on, what's bubbling under, what's got the most streams? So on and so forth. That's not signed yet. You can see it in all those different places because those places. You know, taught the people how to even be fans of their neighbor.

Right. We never we never were taught that. So that's that's the whole goal. And Airwave Music Group, Airwave, Airwave, Airwave Music Group. Shaolin, R&B, Songstress. Oh, yeah. She was at, we met her at Revolt. Yeah, she won. She's off the chain. She won. No, she's dope.

She's so dope. Yeah. No, she's so, no, she's dope. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin.

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Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Shaolin. Right, right. Remember Boris, you remember? Yeah, yeah. So, you know, Lito, Why Not Deuce. I'm good, bro.

No, thank you. I've been drinking. Yeah, I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I was just going to try to see if it worked. But yeah, yeah. Why Not Deuce, Lito, Shaolin. You know, also not signed to Airwave, but I manage them with my man Dre.

He's young Chris. He's like really viral right now. He's on the Lil Tecca tour. I signed to Airwave, but I manage them with my man, Dre. He's young Chris. He's like really viral right now. He's on the Lil Tecca tour. He signed to Columbia. But so it's a few people out of VA right now making noise and more that aren't affiliated with me. Right. But the whole goal for Airwave is to create that infrastructure so that it can be more to come through and sign to me or don't sign to me, whatever the case may be. At least they will garner that fanfare that will get them national attention eventually.

That's the goal. That's dope. Pharrell is one of the greatest producers of all time. Without a doubt. No, nothing to talk about. Yes. Why do you think that he kind of, like, I always say that, you know, I always say that because, um, how my career was, I was the man. I was the man in New York.

And at the time, being a man in New York did mean you was the man all over the place. For sure. But it didn't mean all over the place was going to accept you. Right.

And that beat, that Pharrell, he was smart enough to say, I'm going to leave Super Thug. Because he could have switched those drums and made it sound like

Primo drums, made it sound like Lars Professor drums, made it sound like Havoc, made it sound like large professor drums, made it sound like Havoc drums. He would have never did that though. I'll tell you why, but go ahead. And this was the first time where people really got to hear

East Coast dude rhyme on what is considered almost a South beat. Now, I wouldn't say quite South, but almost. And I've seen the. And I've seen the effect. I've seen me be in the studio with Pharrell and like you said

all this time, he'll hear a story and he'll make a beat around the story. He'll make a hook around the story. I've seen him create magic out of nowhere. How come every time I say this around him, he bows his head and he gets humble Is that because he really knows

I hate it I hate it I hate it I absolutely hate it You want him to be cocky about it Yes, I want him to be hip hop about it Right Yeah, that's what I'm saying

You know, I hate it I absolutely hate it, he knows I hate it That he's humble I was like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I hate it. Like, I absolutely hate it. He knows I hate it. That he's humble. I hate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, bad. Right, right, right.

Like, you know, it's like, it's tough. It's like, you know, you know, and maybe that works with some of the music that he does. But, like, when we on what we on, I need you to be big chains, big cars, crashing Ferraris. Like I remember for Real Web, I would come into the studio playing my Swiss beat joint and he'd just look at me like, all right. Bro, listen. And just make a joint. The whole, that whole early 2000 thing was all about competition.

Grinding was specifically made to try to do something that could eclipse the Benjamins. It disrupted production at that time. That was the goal. Right. That was the goal. When you talk about Primo and people like that who are his, you know, he's, you know, he's there. Right. Right. Rightfully so. But still going into the studio, it was like, OK, what can I do to outdo that? He's the reason. Right. He's the reason now that I when I listen to beats, they got to be something unorthodox. I don't like just muddy, hard beats.

I don't like that. That's not because I know now that beats can be bright and have like, beats can be hard. It can be super thug level of chaos, starting fights and all that. It be bright. It don't got to be muddy and trudgy. You know what I'm saying?

Which you would have never thought had you heard super thug for the first time in the studio, and trudgy. You know what I'm saying? Which you would have never thought had you heard Super Thug for the first time in the studio, I'm assuming. You know what I'm saying? You know what's crazy? When we first played Super Thug

for program directors and, you know, mixed show people, they said the record was too dark. Yep. So that's the reason why if you notice, we never made a dark scene

in the video. We made it all bright because... They said it was too dark? Because you know why? I never heard it that way. Yes, it was crazy. This is crazy.

And Pharrell should know this. Rob Walker definitely knows this. My reputation as a street dude was so bad at the time and they didn't hear about the Neptunes. They didn't realize that this is the same dude that was doing the Mace records,

that was doing the Pop records. They thought... It was young. We invented it. They thought... It was Young. We invented... They thought I invented N-E-B-T-U-N-E-S the way it used to be like one of the best.

And they thought they were gangsters. Right. So, they're like we can't be having you guys with these Neptune guys until I put them in the video. And they was like oh, these guys are not gangsters

at all. Right. At all. Which works, you know what I'm saying? But I go back to say that like, you know, I was a kid, you know, doing that. I was a kid watching y'all make grinding.

I was a kid watching these beautiful albums and these beautiful records coming together. And when I come back and I think about it, I was like, this dude, if not V, he is one of the best producers of all times. For sure. He took me from a sound that was clearly just for New York.

Like to this day I've lived in Miami for 15 years. As soon as I open up my mouth people are like, you're from New York? I can't I can't hide it. But he was able to take my voice keep me in New York, but make me international. That was amazing.

Can I ask you, for pure ignorance, because the Neptunes is the Neptunes, and that's Chad and Pharrell. Yeah. What's Chad's role in that? Because when you're referring to Super Thug, to me, that's the Neptunes, but you're referring to Pharrell alone. What's Chad's role in the production? Well, I've worked with them through many eras. So when I initially was working with the Neptunes, let's say for the album that never came out or for Lord Willing, it was more of a, Chad would do the keys and the chords and he would play. And add, you know, those type of like keyboard sonnets.

He was a Scott Storch of that situation? Yeah, I guess. I mean, I don't know. I don't want to. Yeah, I guess. Because he's famous for playing the keys for a lot of big records. So yeah, playing. Yeah, that's what he did. It was that. It was the playing and it was the sounds like, you know, finding those unorthodox sounds that would go into the Neptune sound. Right.

You know, it was funny. Sorry to cut you off. I always thought it was just all, both of them. Like, at one point, when Pharrell would just come around and it wouldn't be a child, I would always feel jerked. Like, what's going on? Like, I never knew that they can coexist without each other. Yeah.

Because, I mean, you know, Pharrell, at the time, Pharrell wasn't playing. Right. And then he started playing. Right. When you say playing, you talk about keys and things like that so now

you get into Hell Half No Fury and that's all Pharrell you know and I mean you know mostly Pharrell I mean I'm trying to think back and I don't want to like say anything that's wrong or whatever but

Hell Half No Fury was very top to bottom P right um um you know uh since then it has definitely been a lot of P then maybe there's some post-production co-production and definitely mixing right on the engineering side of the final product with chad right um but um you know it just depends on the project right i just think it's important when we talk about that era that it was both of them oh yeah i mean you're talking about yeah you an era. Yeah, you're talking about an era. You know what I'm saying? The Neptunes is the Neptunes. Yeah. And then when Pharrell breaks off, it's clearly it's P, he's going in. Yeah.

He's doing what he does. I feel comfortable with both. I feel comfortable with Pharrell by himself. Yeah. But it's always like it's always like, and I don't want to say it like this, but it's always like seeing like Santa Claus and the elves or Santa Claus and his elves or Santa Claus and his wife and Santa Claus.

He's crazy. If you just see Santa Claus by himself it's not Christmas. It's like I want to see like the bag. The bag is a character too. And when I see both of them for lack of a better term, I see Santa Claus, I see the elves,

I see the bags, I see the clocks, I see the sleigh. Right, you get the full thing. Like, you know what I'm saying like me like I'm always... That was my first international hit. Right. And I was proud to...

And I remember Pharrell saying no one listens to me. So, that's I remember he's like no one shots me out that's why I wanted to put that in there. N-E-P-T-U-N he has to be like one of the best. Right.

I just seen the fruition and you know, that was... You was their group. Yeah. And it was like that's what I'm saying that's why I keep bringing up grinding is because

for us like I said and I said it earlier for us to even go out there and see that this is a different world. We just thought, okay, there's Virginia, but zoom, zoom, zoom, and boom, boom. We thought it was just girls running around with... Right. And they're like, oh shit, these niggas is selling crack.

These niggas is shooting niggas. Oh, this is why AI might be thinking so crazy. Oh, okay. We just thought it was them two. Holy moly, like it introduced this whole it was them two. Holy moly. Like, it introduced this whole... There's a whole everywhere. Right.

And then even, even, even with Pharrell, because he was coming from Newport Beach, and we just saying, okay, Newport Beach. He's like, all right, there gotta be something nice about that. And, oh, no, Virginia Beach. Oh, Virginia Beach. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, Pharrell from something terrible. Yeah, yeah. Like, literally. Right, right. Yeah. Right. He from something terrible Like literally Yeah, he from something Very terrible

Like, you know, back Yeah, it was Bags of money, pitbulls roaming around The apartments type shit In his neighborhood, it was terrible Like, listen, for him to be who he is Like He made a definite choice

To say I'm gonna be this guy not that guy all right because he's from the gutter yeah i've said it so bad that i don't even want to say that whatchamacallit i mean i love the neighborhood beautiful people from there but right bruh yeah he from it um really i remember rob walker told me yeah he's from, but he does not want to be a part of it. At all? And he made a record for me. It was like, things set up. I don't know if you remember this record. It's on the,

it's on the Clones app. Okay. And he's just talking about gang banging. And I remember Rob. Who's talking about gang banging? He's like, things set up. Gang banging.

Gang, gang, gang. And I remember Rob Walker looked at me and was like, face that self. Gang, gang. And I remember Rob Walker looked at me and was like, this is your fault. That's for real, gangbanging? He doesn't want to talk about no gang shit. He doesn't want to talk about no tough guy shit until you walk in the studio. It would be so funny, man. You know, he

morphs into whoever he's around. That's like probably one of his best, you know, attributes. That's why when you say you tell the story or whatever, like, you know, Super Thug is rambunctious because that's how he see you. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? And at that time. That would be a good producer because he's producing for a specific artist yeah i always

would say uh the first time i was produced produced was pharrell the first time i was really produced was clark kent after clark kent of course i'm talking about that was produced produced i sing clark records yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah asked him, who do I need to... I talked to Clark Kent. Clark Kent's a legend. Yes. For guidance. Yes, that's a good person. That's crazy.

I never knew you. You rocked with Clark. Clark was the first person to actually... Because I knew how to rhyme. I knew it was today. I would come into the studio with 24 bars and 36 bars and niggas are like,

yo, this doesn't make sense. Nowhere in the world. You have to structure this shit. So Clark was the first person to produce me. Then the first person to produce me, but without giving me the hook, was Trackmasters. First person that would be like, yo, look, here's how the intro should sound.

Here's this, here's that. All you gotta do is do your part here and that's it. That's for real. He gave me the keys to the fucking car he gave me the the um the vanilla tree yeah to smell good right yeah i'm the only one he came out there right you know you know what i'm talking about the um all right the air freshener at the volkswagen Jetta, you know what I'm saying. All I had to do was just go in, quit the job and just rhyme and then like, you know what I mean.

Goddamn, let's make some noise for Virrell and Chet. Yeah, and Chet. For sure, for sure. Before we get out of here, I want to speak about this job thing, but I want to say something real quick. Yes, sir. I've been on this 30-day, you know,

non-drinking thing, me. Right, shout out to you bro for doing-drinking thing, me. Right. Shout out to you bro for doing that. Thank you, I appreciate that. But it was because of a couple of things. One thing is I'm never going to ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever drink before an episode again.

I've already had that rule, I've already wasn't supposed to do that. And I can't blame being drinking on like a problem, I'm a professional drinker. The problem is sometimes I take or I use information like when I looked at the information

and I actually cringed. I looked at the episode where I spoke about I made it sound like Eminem gave an automated. Like, yo, it's either you going to have 50 perform or I'm not going to show up.

And that was not it. What it was, was I was being drunk. I was trying to like hype up the episode and I'm using words and I'm using it. So, I was trying to be articulate but my articulation... You're a shotgun? Yes, yes, yes.

That's crazy. My articulation was not articulated. So, when I look back at it there's no one who called me. I would take a drink to that. Yes, please. I'll take a drink to that. Let me finish.

There was no one who called me but when I looked at it I was like that's not what I am that's not what this show is about. Right. And no way, shape, form or fashion was there. Cheers. Did I hear it was an alternative?

Did I think that? And then and me looking at 50 and how 50 could look at it too. I'm looking like oh, okay, you know as much as 50 has done in his life for me to say that I understand how he could have took that the wrong way.

I got to say how Jay could have took that the wrong way. I could understand how M could have took that even me using the reference the white boy. I just didn't like that. I looked at it and I cringe you know, some of my closest friends

are white and I just didn't like the way I said it. So, at it and I cringe, you know, some of my closest friends are white and I just didn't like the way I said it. So, for anybody who saw this footage and you can clearly see I'm sloppy, but that's not the excuse. I do this for a living. So, this is my fault. I'm clearly was in the wrong,

I clearly the way I worded things, I clearly saying certain things that I might be minus in them said period. I would like to you know... You're talking about the Snoop episode? Yes, the Snoop episode, yes. You should say you did drink before the episode. I would...

A whole flight, a whole flight all the way to the west coast. Yes, yes. And that's it. And there's only two episodes in this whole time that I've looked at and I've cringed. And I'm going to tell you the other episode. You know, don't look at them.

I don't look at none of these episodes. No, I got to look at the... Oh, Beatnuts. Oh, no, that's not a Beatnuts episode. Beatnuts deserves to come back to Drink Champs. Wherever you at. They need a real Drink Champs, and I try to stop that Drink Champs, and your drunk ass won't let me stop it.

Damn, now everyone still goes on me. I'm not going to myself. You know what? I admit to myself that everyone, come on, everyone else want to say. No, no, sure, sure, sure, sure. You and Butch Rock. Butch Rock and, I said Butch Rock, I don't think so. But I already told them. Yeah true, that's true. You and Butch Rock, Butch Rock and... I said Butch Rock, I don't think so. But I already told them.

Yeah, but that's it. So, you know, again... And again, you know, I'm dealing with real big names and real... So, there was so many you know, you know, different opinions. Don't beat yourself up about it. But I just wanted to straighten that out.

I just wanted to straighten that. Now, let's be clear I want to get this one story straight. What's that? Now, Justin Timberlake might be mad at me for this, okay. Don't do it. This is another one of those times.

This is another one of those times. Pharrell came on here sat in the same chair you got and Pharrell said he stopped he had stopped working with Justin Timberlake because at the time Justin Timberlake was on job

you guys had beef with job and respectfully he didn't want to continue that relationship. I dropped it for our episode two weeks later I seen Justin Timberlake in carbones. Justin Timberlake comes up to me he taps me on what I believe is my shoulder

or might have been he might have gave me a little uppercut and knock you off. He gave you a tummy tuck. He might have said, boom. He said that story's not exactly true. So, I go okay, and I come on here and I say exactly what he says to me.

The story's not exactly true and then to the great part I just say what the fuck he was supposed to say that, Nari. So, I want to hear from you. Yeah. Because you guys had a great relationship. Who? Tomorrow,

Pharrell, Justin. Everybody, yes. Everybody. And then this discrepancy happens with Job. What was y'all stance on that? Yeah, as far as I knew, as far as I knew, Pharrell, the Neptunes did not work on that yeah as far as far as i knew um as far as i knew pharrell the neptunes did not work on that

album and justin had to go work with tim on that premier river album yes because um because job would not let the clips out of their deal wow i don't know any other story i mean i wouldn't even what what possibly would be the story right i mean what what what what what was untrue about it oh i don't know i never got he never explained to you i thought you could you know i was true yeah but it's true that pharrell did not want to work on that album because of well yeah i mean no no it wasn't no pharrell wanted to work on the album. Yes. He did not work on it.

He chose not to work on the album because, you know, he felt like Jive was holding us hostage and he felt like he had done a lot for Jive. He's done a lot for Jive. And Justin. Yeah. For them not to, you know, give him what he felt was his group back. Let me ask you a theoretical question. Yeah. He has his bills.

You have your bills. Yeah. What happened if Pharrell would have done that? Would have done what? If Cry Me a River was Pharrell production, as opposed to Demlin production, and you guys was in what we call purgatory somewhat, would you have took it personal with Pharrell? Or you would have, because you didn't take it personal with Pharrell? Or you would have... Because you didn't take it personal with Ye? No, no, you know what?

And I didn't... That was... It wasn't even like it was a thing. No, I wouldn't have taken it personal, number one. Okay. But that was... That was Pharrell on his loyalty shit. You didn't even know he had that choice.

Yeah, that was Pharrell on his loyalty shit. So didn't even know he had that choice. Yeah, that was Pharrell on his loyalty shit. So you understand why I'd be like, I can look twice when it don't feel like that. I understand. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Because he's been consistent otherwise. Oh, for sure. Listen, he really stood on that too.

And that would have been a big record for, I feel like everything that Neptune's did was big for everybody who was affiliated, meaning us. And let's just keep it real, that's probably turned down millions of dollars to stand by his home. What? Oh man, I'm just calculating money. Let me tell you something you got millions on top of millions

of dollars, I don't feel for no I don't feel because he lost a couple bucks You don't feel for millions of dollars He got plenty bucks. I'm just sitting here calculating. No, no. Listen, I'm calculating my budget. You know what I'm saying?

Justin Timberlake times 15. Right. Holy shit. Well, he did that again. Yes, yes, yes. He did it again. Yeah. So, how did you and Justin, y'all worked it out afterwards?

No, no, no, no. There was never no beef. There was never no issue like it was literally i didn't i don't even think pharrell and justin had an issue yeah it was just label shit it was label she was the the head of the label and pharrell right i didn't think it was a thing and listen and even since then even since then i was that was was Barry Weiss at the time. Since then, it's all cool. It's all honestly. I see Barry.

I've talked to Barry. Everything is fine. And it was business, too. The same way I can sit here and speak about lawyers and contractors. You got to be able to parse that shit. I eat that, too. Right. For sure.

For sure. For sure. Who Pharrell could go against? Who Neptune could go against in versus? Oh, everybody. They can go against everybody. Yeah. Everybody. Name somebody.

I think he going to win against Scott. They going to win against Scott? Nah, they he gonna win against Scott they gonna win against Scott nah they gonna win against Scott you said that's the only person Neptune's vs. Metro Boomin no I don't think you can I mean I think

I guess Dre I mean I would if we gonna talk Neptune's I'm gonna just stay with Legacy Legacy that's yeah you know what I'm going to just stay with Legacy. Legacy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I would say Dre. Timbaland?

Damn right. I think Neptunes and Timbaland would be awesome. That's going to be fire. I think so, too. That'd be fire. Yeah. Okay, well, listen. I'm going to tell you, I mean, and this, of course course it doesn't matter but um it don't matter but there was one time i believe the neptunes own 43 percent of the charts yeah and then timbaland

own the other 40 50 you know something close within that range so it was one in the world trying to say yeah exactly so i mean i i don't know if I don't know if they'd win I mean I don't know Who would necessarily win Because It's not all about hits If you notice Right

That shit ain't about hits It's about cultural moments too So You know I think that'd be good I mean it'd be good Alright Timberland against

Laptones That'd be great But I think they can go against any... I don't believe they're getting blown out by nobody. Right. Blown out? No.

Yeah. No. No. No. No, they're not getting blown out by nobody. No. It's going to be a fight. It's going to be a fight with all of the best.

You want to name whoever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think... I don't think there's a lot of people fucking with him nah hell no not jermaine dupree sorry i heard his vegan ice cream is great um shit i mean jermaine ill too though like it's like he got a lot he jermaine dupree got an ill catalog But I don't know If the catalog You know again it's hits

It's hits it's hits Not all them shits be cultural You know what I'm saying You seen that shit like you seen it You seen Kiss mixtape you down Beat you down Like You know that ain't

Billboard nothing don't talk no charts million you could have put any million selling record against Kiss whenever you wanted to when he did

Who Shot Your Freestyle call case closed curtains it's over so you know if you gotta look at you gotta look at Versus really

like that like Versus is way more cultural than it is hits to me you'll battle Talek Waleem on Versus really like that. Like, Versus is way more cultural than it is hits to me. You battle Talek, Khalil, and Versus? What? This guy just throws up.

No, man. No, man. I'm not doing it. I just love what I do about Kanye. I see Talek all the time, too. Shout out to Blackstar. And I heard that's crazy, too. Shout out to Black Star. Shout out. And I heard that's crazy, too.

The Black Star? Yeah, I heard it's crazy. So I live stepping there. Tyler hasn't stopped working. He hasn't stopped working.

He's still mad at that Kanye, so he's stepping it all the way up. This nigga, every verse Tyler is right now,

I'm just telling you it's a million percent he's going to make sure you like his raps this time I respect that Todd Lips wow

yo Pusher man let me just say something man you're definitely a legend thank you you're a person I appreciate you

you're a person you know you're a real person you're a good person yes sir but besides all that that's on a personal level you're a person, you know, you're a real person, you're a good person. Yes, sir. But besides all that, that's on a personal level, but you are one of the last of a dying breed, one of the last people that...

I know you said that it doesn't matter about the beat, but it's... For people like you and like Nas, it's like it's always like 60 to 70% of your lyrics first because your lyrics is just it's just something that we want to hear what you're going to say first then we say oh okay that beat is dope too

you know what I'm saying and for you to you know what I mean because they call they call that dinosaurs and for us to be I'd say you're inspiring a new breed, to be honest with you. Not the last of any breed. I don't know.

They can call dinosaurs. They can say whatever the fuck they want to say. You know, this shit is... That version of lyricism. Yeah, but, bro, that is the foundation of this shit. Yes, it is. Absolutely. This takes a skill set, bro.

Yes, it does. And can't nobody take that from me. I don't care how young, how old. I'm smoking everything. Yes. Until I'm tired. When I stop competing, then I'm done. Right.

I'm cool. I ain't going to just exist in this shit either. Right. You know what I'm saying? But nah, bro. Yeah, so let me just keep you in your flowers. So I'm going to let you know, man, we're proud of you on this side.

Thank you, man. Our generation, our people, the people that really respect real hip-hop, the people'm going to let you know, man, we're proud of you on this side. Our generation are people, the people that really respect real hip-hop, the people that really respect, you know, the content. And the thing about it is 12 records. These albums is 9,400 records right now. Not by me.

You just... All classic albums back then were 10, 12. I think Illmatic was 8 or something like that. Maybe 10. Yeah, maybe 9. So, you even did it that right. Like, short and sweet look.

Straight look. Everything is dope. We respect you. We appreciate you. We want to thank you to your face. Give your flowers to your face. You know what I mean? And we got nothing but love for you, man.

Thank you. But before we get about here, anything you want to say? Anything you got coming up? Man, you know, just everybody go get that album. It's almost dry. We got it. I appreciate all the love and support. Man, it's almost dry tour starting May 29th.

Come check me out all over the country. Man, all the festivals, I'm going to be there. Coming to a city near you. Street hip-hop lives forever. Sniff. Goddamn.

How do you get on the Balenciaga list? I want to be on the Balenciaga list. You know what? Yo, listen. I'm just... This is getting to me. Listen, listen, though. I'm going to put you on.

I'm going to put you on. Please give me on the D-line. They just, just invited me to the show and said they're going to dress me and all that. So, if we're the same size, I'm going to throw you a little... I'm going to get in the gym. You definitely need to see me. I'm going to get in the gym. You definitely need to see me.

I'm going to get in the gym. This is just today, though. This is just today. Yeah, because this shit is expensive. I'm trying to keep up. I'm like, I ain't a billionaire now. You know what I'm saying? I need to push a tease on

Adidas list. And the Pharrell's because this would be crazy like, you know. Adidas, listen, Adidas do you all hear this? Listen, Adidas let me just tell you something. Like, you ask like this is the number one podcast in the world. And let me see it. Let me ask it.

Talk to the camera. Talk to the camera. Talk to the camera. Adidas, let me just tell you something. No, no, no, I want this camera. I want to let me as a side. Adidas, let me just tell you something. I've been seeing your friends and family list.

It's full of Franks. You don't want Franks in your friends and family list. This is a good guy over here. I'm a great guy. I need the Yeezys. I need the Pusha T's. I need the Stan Smiths. And I need the Pharrell's.

Holy moly guacamole. Thank you, your treat. Let's go. Thanks, bro. Holy Moly Guacamole. Take a picture. Take a picture and then we die. Thanks for joining us

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