Drink Champs - Episode 315 w/ Tank

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only Tank! An R&B legend, Tank joins us and shares his journey. Tank tells stories of Aaliyah, his career and much more.  Tank also tells the story of how we wrote & produced the hit song “I Deserve” Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Make some noise for Tank!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And right now, when I'm talking about the guests to the left of me, I am talking about an R&B phenomenon. I'm listening to his music, and I'm trying to look for auto-tune. I'm trying to look for the cheat codes. And now this is a he sang sign. He a real sang sign. Original. He hit that note. He came in and said, hold up, man.

Let's get it on camera. Don't count if you don't get it on camera. This man has been out there working, doing what he got to do in this motherfucking field always happy every time I see him.

So in case you don't know who the hell I'm talking about because he going to sing your girl's panties off. And this is true. In case you don't know who I'm talking about, the one, only, sensational, inevitable, motherfucking Tate! Yeah!

For the camera. Oh, yeah! So for the record, we coming off this Oscars. Yeah. Woo. Right on, man. I just want to say off top, I'm scared of Will Smith. Woo!

Like, you know both of them, right? Woo! I've met Will a few times. Okay. I've never met Chris Rock. Okay, okay, well, one time I met Chris Rock, real talk. We was in a party, and a photographer said, hey, Chris, you and Nori take a picture.

And Chris was like, what is the world going to? Want a picture with Nori Yeager and Chris Rock? And I was like, I couldn't tell that. First off, it wasn't funny to me. That wasn't funny to me. And then I was like, and I started to think about it, that comedians don't know how to turn off being up. So what did you see when you first saw that?

Where was you at? What was you saying to yourself? I saw a man fed up. I saw a man fed up. You know what I mean? I think when we look at Will, we want to paint this perfect picture. Because to us, you know, he is a king. He is that standard, that bar.

And so we grade him on a very high scale. Will is not allowed to make mistakes. He's not allowed to have bad days. He's not allowed because it's a lot of pressure. And then I see the wife, you know, who's been enduring, you know, enduring for the last however long. And I just saw a breaking point. And the joke probably wasn't the worst joke that's been said. We've seen some crazier jokes.

But sometimes it's just the straw that breaks the camel's back. You understand what I'm saying? We're at a breaking point. So even this straw right here, it may not be all about you, but this little straw that you just put on that camel's back, it was enough to send me. Now, was he wrong? I don't know. I don't know. I want your opinion.

I was just about to fuck him up. Listen. Yes. Right. I was just about to fuck it up. Listen. Yes. Right. He was wrong. Wow. Undoubtedly. Wow.

Full chest. Wrong. Now, here's what you do know. Okay. Sometimes you have to go there to let people know that you will. All pun intended. Double entendre. Yeah. Yeah. you have to go there to let people know that you will? All pun intended. Double entendre.

Yeah. Right? I equate it to, talking to Shot earlier, I equate it to being on the basketball court. Right? There are fouls and there are technical fouls. Right? And so at a certain point in the game, when you're trying to send a message to the other team,

you may say, you know what? For the sake of the energy moving forward, I need to not issue a regular foul. I need to issue a technical foul

so you motherfuckers know I will go there if I have to. Because I felt him when he said, keep my wife's name out your motherfucking mouth. That's simple. That's it.

I was immediately scared of the person who made Paris don't understand. You don't mess with me. I said, I misjudged this nigga for years. I was wrong. Leave a man's money alone. Leave a man's kids alone. Leave a man's food alone. Yep. Leave a man's kids alone. Leave a man's food alone.

And by God, leave a man's wife alone. Let's make some noise for that, God damn it. Let's just make some noise for that. Just because. Now let's not act like this is the first time a comedian has been ran up on. Not in this magnitude though. I got it. But this is commonplace.

You can look in the crowd. I do comedy. You can look in the crowd and tell, I shouldn't talk about him. Mm-hmm. Right. Because he's already giving me the face. Like, don't bring that shit over here. Like, I'm enjoying myself, but I will do that. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying?

And comedians know this. Mm-hmm. I don't think anybody could have anticipated that, but here we are. Because he didn't smack Chris Rock. He smacked the internet. Yes. He smacked the memes. All the anticipated that, but here we are. Because he didn't smack Chris Rock. He smacked the internet. He smacked the memes, all the jokes that they'd be saying. Every time Tupac is brought up, they'd be saying some funny shit.

He's tired of that. He smacked the government. It was like a pressure cooker just going off. That's what it was. Fed up. Yeah. Will has the size. He has the reach. Yeah.

We saw that. You seen Chris thought about it first. Chris was like, man, let me just let it go. No, that's the disappointing part. Nori, if I walk up on you and swing on you, I know there's something coming behind that. We're going to wrestle and fight this thing out. I needed Chris Rock. I needed him. To just swing needed him to just give me something. Nah, he took it like a G though. Jump on his back.

He took it like a G. He took it like a G. He took it like a G. A professional G. Take it like a G? Is that a thing? Let me tell you something. He took it like a G. Let me tell you something. When they say, when they say. I'm saying, it could have gone crazy.

It could have gone crazy, but let me just tell just say it's supposed to at that moment it felt like the sauce awards it is you right you right you smack me yeah automatic that's another poor guy he didn't punch him he's the ultimate I think the smack is worse than a punch you treated me like I got pantyhose on. Like I'm in high heels. No! What is this? Come on. Let's keep it.

Let's keep it. Let's keep it. Let's keep it. Let's keep it. I can't live like this. I can't lie, Tank. That was, because it's the Oscars, and to tell you the truth, let me just tell you something. I've never been in the Oscars.

I've never, I just, I felt like it's their award show, right? I always felt like that. You know, motherfuckers is boycotting it now, but I always felt like it was their award show. But they had my man producing it. Will Packer. Yeah, Will Packer. And don't they feel like every time they like we do get something

like we do something to fuck ourselves up like like who would have thought Will Smith was going to smack Chris Rock at the fucking

after while Will Packer is directing it and don't they sound like a joke like here's the thing okay

we are eventful we are an eventful people yes yes I like that. That was smooth. And somehow or another, the stars always align

for us to have a moment when we're trying to have a moment. Right. Right. That was good. It's just what it is sometimes, man.

And shout out to Will Packer for producing a hell of a show. The show was actually good. Hell of a show. I was very actually good. A hell of a show. I was very proud of Will Packer. Great show. Boy, be honest. Because I don't like award shows.

It looked like it has no soul. And you could tell. Before I knew Will Packer was doing it, I could tell this was made with soul. Somebody who was producing this had soul in they motherfucker. Looking out for me and wanted me to watch it. Absolutely.

So, have you ever been to the Oscars? I've never been to the Oscars. I've never been invited. I consider myself an actor. You know, I have some big BET blockbusters as well as some major TV one blockbusters. Did you see me in the new edition story?

Gerald Busby? You didn't? Okay, that's fine. Anybody in here see me now? Fuck y'all. That's fine. I get it. I get it. I'm a big deal on BET and TV One, okay? I haven't made it to the big screen yet.

I'm on my way. But I'm going to need your support. We ain't been there, so you do it. They definitely don't invite me. So, you know, the Oscars ain't invited me yet. You know, I guess they don't nominate BET movies or TV1 movies, but we're getting there. We're making progress. How about the Grammys?

What are you in terms of that? Like, you for the Grammys or you like fuck the Grammys? I'm not saying fuck the Grammys. Okay, I'm never going to get nominated, so I'm saying fuck the Grammys. Okay, I'm never going to get nominated, so I'm saying fuck the Grammys. I can't say that, right? But I can say there is a need for immediate change. Right. This gradual, we're working on it. Oh, we're going to get to it.

Not going to work because music is ever changing. As we see now that these platforms have come, all these new platforms that have come into place to help monetize music more and give more visibility to certain kinds of artists. The landscape is completely different. And you have a format that is catered to traditional music or the traditional style of judging music. You can't do that no more. Right. You just can't. Right.

Like, case in point, like when Uzi was going crazy. Little Uzi Vert. Uzi Vert, of course. Yeah, Uzi Vert. If you don't... I just automatically go like that when I hear his name.

If you're not in the festivals, if you're not tapping into that place where that music is played, you don't know how massive that kid is. You don't know to put him in the top rap categories at your Grammys because you don't know. Everything you're doing is still done in a traditional space, different metrics. So it has to change. And people who understand the new metrics have to be integrated into the Grammys or they're going to lose touch

with everybody. Right. They're going to lose touch with everybody. And these things have to be televised. Right. Right. Like, I argue this. Shout out to iHeart.

Who has to be televised? I love all those guys. iHeart Awards? I love everybody. You know, shout out to BET, shout out to Soul Train, all these guys. Right. everybody, you know, shout out to BET, shout out to Soul Train, all these guys. But it kills me that the R&B, best R&B category is not

televised. Why? Wow, I didn't peep that. Why? Why can't our love be seen? Huh? Why can't our sexuality be seen? Yeah, that's crazy. I didn't even peep that. I don't want to hurt nobody

I ain't robbing nobody You know what I'm saying My songs are you know Y'all songs are different You know what I'm saying but yet And not against hip hop You have more of a platform to say and do the things You need to do versus me I'm just selling love

And you selling love But I digress So I think the format needs to be adjusted And the way you adjust that format versus me, I'm just selling love. And you're selling love like a monster. I digress. So I think the format needs to be adjusted and the way you adjust that format is by integrating people who know what the fuck is going on right now.

Right, right, right. Like we're supposed to be at the the chairmanship of that like when these awards and things like that, it's supposed to be some of us in the room. Is that what you intended? Absolutely. In the room. of that, like when they, these awards and things like that, it's supposed to be some of us in the room. Is that what you intended? Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. In the room. And listen, it can't be, everybody can't be over 30. Right. Everybody can't be over 40. Right.

Right. Okay. Right. A 65 year old. Right. Listen, I don't care how long, how hard he trying to hang on.

Right. He should not be voting in the hip hop category. Right. Right. Right. Just shouldn't be doing it. Right. Right?

The pop category. If he want to vote on smooth jazz, let him do that. Right. But there has to be change, and the integration has to happen now, or you're going to lose touch with the culture. Right. R&B and hip-hop, for that matter. Right.

Let me ask you, changing it up a little bit. One thing I can hear from you, like I can hear when I'm listening to your music, I can tell you was raised in the church. What are you? Absolutely. It says that and I know that's where real singers it always, it starts out like that. How do you feel,

I'm switching it up a little bit, how do you feel about people who don't go to that, people who just take the easy route out and go auto-tune, and then they can't even perform live because they can't sing at all? I love it. I did not expect that. I love it. You hear?

It's a place for all of it. That's right. I love that answer. Because, listen, there are R&B artists and there are R&B singers. There's a difference. Right. There are R&B artists and there are R&B singers. There's a difference. I need them so that the highlight of what I do is personified even more.

Right, that's it. You can go get some of that. You can go have play time over there. You know what I'm saying? And enjoy them tuned lyrics in Maryland. I turn the tune on sometimes. I turn it on for the aesthetic, for the sound. Tap into the youth.

But when you want to hear a real singer, when you want your soul touched, you know what I'm saying? Ladies, when you want your inner secretions to flow, inner secretions. I think Sonny's a secretion. That was him. I don't even want to act what that means.

I'm going to just act like I know what it means. Keep it going. Then you come see a R&B singer. And again, I always try to speak to the equality of a thing. If you're going to give the guys with the auto-tune all the mainstream looks, then give the vocalists and real singers some mainstream looks as well. That's all we're asking. Let's make as well. That's what we're asking. Let's make some noise.

Oh, we're asking. That would be the equivalent of lyricists, MCs, and some that aren't, but they make dope music. They make dope music. Some rappers are stylists. You know what I'm saying? Where it's like a voice you just can't deny. You know what I'm saying? Some rappers are good at making songs.

The hook is fire. The body of the, eh, so-so, maybe a few lines. And then some are just flat-out lyricists to where there are bars. You know what I'm saying? They're just undefeated. So it's room for all of it. I just want us to be able to... I'm an R&B singer, man. Let me eat, too.

Yeah, yeah. Smell the right. Let me wet my big coat. Yeah, let's go. Smell the right. Smell the fucking right. Smell the fucking right, man. Are you drinking beer? Is that beer what you're drinking? Pacifico.

Yeah. All right. You might drink micheladas. You drink micheladas? Let me find out. Sí, dos micheladas. Sí. Toma. I got some more water for you later.

Sí, bueno, bueno. Estoy listo, señor. Let me find out. Si, don't mention a lot of it. I got some more water for you later. Si, bueno, bueno. Estoy listo, senor. I'm getting ready. So, when I Googled you, it said... I had to, I had to, because I got to do my due diligence. I'm not going to do my due diligence.

So, when I Googled you, it said in 2017, you received slack for performing at a black gay pride event. Yeah. Why would you receive slack for that? You tell me. I'm asking you. He saw your tweet. You know, I think it's just a disconnect, a lack of understanding.

Right. You know what I mean? I think I'm going to speak, you know, in terms of the black community, there's a stigma. Right. And there's a hate that goes along with being gay. Right. Right. And oftentimes, in our language to even degrade a person, to the lowest we can degrade them,

we use gay asgrade them. Right. We use gay as the adjective. Right. That's crazy. And so that carries on even into entertainment. Right. So paint the picture for you. A guy, Brian,

who used to manage Fantasia, who's a gay man, who's my friend, he said, Hey, man, what'd you think about performing at Gay Pride in D.C.? I said,

Yeah. You from D.C., right? I'm from D.C., man. Okay, in DC I said yeah I'm from DC yeah I said shit what kind of bag they got he said they got this kind of bag I'm on the way I'm on the motherfucking way right and so we get in there and and the first thing he says is, are you gonna take your shirt off? And I said, you called me, right? Right, right, right. I do what I do. I do a thing. Right.

I'm not scared of, it's not gonna rub off on me because I'm here, I came to do my show. Right. Right, so I go out there, and I'm doing the first song, right? And as I'm singing my first song, I just kinda notice I'm scanning the crowd. You know, they don't know how to receive me.

At this time, I'm not knowing I'm the first straight male artist to ever do it. Oh, okay. I'm not knowing the energy. I'm not understanding why all these questions are surrounding this. So I get out there, and I finish my first song, and the explosions go off.

Bam! I'm like, bam! And they're like, all right, all right, all right. there and you know I finished my first song and explosions go off BAM BAM alright I'm like this are y'all trying to maintain some type of masculinity while I'm on this stage if you sissies don't turn up while I'm in here right now I came to see y'all and they said yeah and it was at that moment that they understood, like, I have no judgment for you in your lifestyle. I only have love for you as a human being. You also are the reason why I'm able to feed my family. So I love you for that.

And I'm going to entertain the same way I would entertain on any stage, whether it's a bunch of girls in the front row a bunch of guys in The furrow I'm securing my shit. Yes Secure I don't feel like I'm gonna walk into a gay room and all of a sudden become gay, right? Right and so when the backlash comes and people are saying oh he must be gay I can laugh at that cuz that that's not the worst thing you can call me Cuz I don't see it as that. So I just did Pride in Dallas. Where's the bag at? Do I have fans there?

Do they got the bag? I'm on the way. You sure you want to take pictures? You're goddamn right I want to take pictures. It ain't real if it ain't photographed. It don't hit the ground. I was there in full support. And I told them, I said, once we get out of this hate space, It ain't real if it ain't photographed. It don't hit the ground. I was there in full support.

And I told them, I said, once we get out of this hate space and are willing to have a real sit down and try to understand each other and do it in love, there's always going to be this barrier between so many things. So for me, I leave with love, man. I don't care what it is. Like, we had Jason Lee on here, and I had to ask him the question that we ask everyone else, you know what I mean? Because if not, it wouldn't have been that. You know what the question is?

No. Does he eat ass? Wow. You know where I'm going with this, Tech? Listen, talk to me, brother. I'm here. So also, why don't you want a breakfast, brother. I'm here. So also, why is she on the breakfast club?

I don't eat the same ass that Jason Lee eats. Jason Lee eats a whole different kind of ass. That's like, that means hairy ass, right?

That's just, he's over there in that ass, right? Right? But, so I did see you on the breakfast club. So obviously you say

you do eat ass, let's just be clear. Woman-hmm. So obviously you say you do eat ass. Let's just be clear. Woman's ass. That's just. Woman's. Did you say butt? Did you say woman's?

Woman's. Woman's. I just want to keep this clear. Because they're going to try to find a way. So we also had Trick Daddy on here. Mm-hmm. And Trick Daddy said he not only eat he enjoys being an ass eat a booty game he say got legs up and everything I said no no He didn't ask you that. He didn't ask you that. But... Trick Daddy is the president.

And we are members in his coach. Not always legs up. You don't always wanna, you know what I'm saying? You don't always wanna be that compromise. Sometimes you wanna ooch up a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Just ooch up. You know what I'm saying? I don't know why I feel like you're going to come through

and hit me again. And no utensils. No utensils. No utensils. Okay. None. None. Eddie wears a bib.

You wear a bib, right, Eddie? No, not. No, not? Oh, my God. Yeah, no, listen, man. It's a man and a woman, you know, being consensual about things that, you know what I'm saying?

There are lines that we draw. Hey, don't, you know, just don't, you know. No pokey pokey. Hey, tone that down. You know what I'm saying? No pokey mine. No pokey mine. No. But the first time it did happen to me,

I was, you know what? I don't know why I'm doing this. I was in my Suzu Rodeo. I'm sorry, Suzu Rodeo? A Suzu Rodeo. You know how long ago that was. Oh, the car. The car. The truck. I'm sorry, a Suzu Rodeo? A Suzu Rodeo. You know how long ago that was.

Oh, the car. The truck. I'm thinking of the truck. He's not a rodeo. He's a colored man. He's wearing a hat. He's wearing a rodeo. He's wild.

A Suzu Rodeo. And I was dating an older woman at the time. She was like, let me show you something. This is your first time? This is how you got the virginity? First time. You popped your cherry, officially. This is how I got brought into eye? First time. You popped your cherry, officially.

This is how I got brought into this world, this trick daddy world. And you know, I had my legs up on the headrest and it's very ticklish. It tickled before I could actually enjoy it. You know what I'm saying? I'm really ticklish, right? So, you know, and after that, I was like, wow. Wow.

Wow. Kiki Free fucked up my childhood. What a circling. We was on the road one time and I told you, I can tell you he went and smoked weed, so only Kiki Free

would smoke weed. So I went to his room, and he just, I did not ask him, he's like, we was playing video games, and he just switched and turned on the TV, and he's just standing there getting ate out. He had his legs wide out. It was on the TV? On the TV, because, you know, it was back in the day.

He taped himself. He taped himself. Yeah, back in the day. He was all killing himself. How? So, we don't know if you know, our show is about giving out flowers. Giving? Giving out flowers.

Yes, sir. Showing people the love while they're alive and while they're standing. Showing people how great they are. So, no doubt, we want to give you your flowers, live in the flesh. Yep. Welcome to the flesh. Wow. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? Thank you. Wow. Well, Ben, what the hell you are? Yes, sir. They last like five or ten years. Lifetime. Thank you. Ben, what the hell are you all? Yes, sir. The last five or ten years. Lifetime.

It's a lifetime. We changed the amount of years all the time, but this is a lifetime. This is fire. Thank you, brother. So, let me ask you, moving around. We're going to get back to the Eat the Booty game later. You know, I thought anything. So, what do you still love about this game?

That's changed for me. Before, what I loved about this game was everything that I had to offer. Very selfish. About the way I was going to sing to them, about the way I was going to perform, about the way I was going to write it and produce it and deliver it. Me, how I'm going to sing to them, about the way I was going to perform, about the way I was going to write it and produce it and deliver it, me, how I'm going to do it. Every show, every time I wake up, I'm about to kill these motherfuckers.

I'm about to kill them. And now it's, I can't wait to build up this next singer, songwriter, producer so that they can go kill on R&B's behalf. I can't wait to give everything that I have to somebody else. That's what drives me now. Because, like, what good is the game if it dies with me? Right, you want to pass the baton.

You have to. Right. Right? And that's how you truly, truly build. That's how you truly create a legacy when your arms extend as far as humanly possible. Right? If an artist 27, 30 years down the line says all of this was made possible because one day Tank gave me a call and said, I believe in you and we're going to make something great happen. I've done my job. 30 years down the line says all of this was made possible because one day Tank gave me a call and said,

I believe in you and we're going to make something great happen. I've done my job. I've done my job because that's my true gift. My true gift is championing and supporting and putting the battery, you can do it. I used to have a kid that used to sing backgrounds with me. My name was Luke James.

Right? And Luke James used to also live with me. I said, you can live with me, man. I said, first of all, you need to be writing songs.

You need to be doing all this stuff. Like, this is what you need to be doing. The first song he wrote was on my album, Sex, Love, and Pain.

Right? Brought him in. And we're singing back. We're singing. He's on the road singing backgrounds with me. I got my guy standing back there doing their thing.

And one day we're at the house just singing, going back and forth, you know, sharpening the tools. And he goes into this high octave Mariah Carey slash. I was like, I was like, nigga, that's crazy. I said, this is what we're going to do. We're going to go on my stage and I'm going to call you out. And I'm going to say, if Maxwell was here, what would he do? Just be crying, but I just can't. And then I want you to go crazy.

And this kid stood at the front of my stage and almost took over my entire show every night. Had to fight to get my show back from Luke James every night. But I wanted him to do that. I wanted them to scream and go crazy every time he touched that microphone. Now he's Luke James. God damn it. Believed in that kid. Right.

Still do. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm looking to build things bigger than me. And who did that for you? Genuine. Genuine. That was my next question. Like I'm looking to build things bigger than me. And who did that for you? Genuine. Genuine. That was my next question.

I was about to say, what the hell happened to TTT? Genuine. Analia. We'll get to that. I was thinking back to Genuine Analia. 97 Budweiser Superfest. We get there. I'm fresh out of church too. Let you give you some, you know.

I'm fresh from choir rehearsal to the plane to LA. You know what I'm saying? At this time, the devil kind of is still in the music. You know what I'm saying? I was brainwashed to believe that. That this is the devil, right? It's no longer the devil. But we get to rehearsal and I'm one of those overachievers.

Before we get to LA, I know every Genuine song. Top to bottom, every harmony. Because you was there to write for him? No, I was just there to sing backgrounds. Album was already done, Pony number one, Platinum. I learned every background part on his album. Interludes, everything. He walks into rehearsal, he starts cueing some stuff up,

you know, just playing on the microphone. Do, be, do, and we back up, shoot. And he know, just playing on the microphone. And we back there. And he's like, I'm going to try another. So I beat doobie down. He's like, Oh, these niggas is cold. They start playing.

I'm like, yeah, we ready. He's so excited. He's like, I got the coldest background singers on the whole tour. It's Mary on the tour. It's Drew Hill on the tour. I got the coldest singers. He calls Aaliyah. I got the best singers on the whole tour. It's Mary on the tour. It's Drew Hill on the tour. I got the coldest singers. He calls Aaliyah. I got the best singers on the tour. You better come see them. Aaliyah comes to the rehearsal studio. Here's us sing. She's

like, nigga's cold. I come down. I get to meet Aaliyah for the first time. She's like, what's your name? I was like, Darrell. She's like, where you from? I'm from such and such. You're really dope. You're dealing with your real name. Okay. Because at the time, only my family knew my nickname.

Oh, okay. Okay. Okay, cool. That was my name since I was a baby. Okay. So I was just Daryl at the time. You know what I'm saying? How old are you at this time?

I'm 22. Okay. Wow. 21, 22. And she's, you know, she's asking me questions. Like, I'm the main attraction. I don't know what this is. It's Aaliyah.

It's Aaliyah. She's got on the outfit, bro. It's the Tommy Hilfiger. It's the Tommy Hilfiger. Oh, oh, oh. It's the, the hair is there, the shades are here, the stomach is out. I'm like, this is Aaliyah.

Right. And she's concerned about me. Right, and about a week later, Aaliyah fired two background singers and hired me. Wow. And another guy. Wow, thank you. You can clap for me. Wow. And another guy. Wow. You can clap for that.

You can clap for that. And those two, mainly Genuwine. Like Aaliyah would say, you dope, you like a one man Jodeci. What you need to do, like you gotta wear this and then you got the soft focus and the piano, but you need to throw some of that edge. Like she was just gaming, gaming.

And Ginuwine would sit with me at the top of a theater, sold-out theater, right? And he would stand there. He would watch his picture line. And there'd be 1,000 girls in the picture line, literally. And he would say, dog, I'm going to take every one of these pictures, dog. That's what you got to do. You want to be a star. You got to touch people, dog.

Every last one of them, dog. I'm going to touch them all, dog. Every last one of them. Every last one of them, dog. I'm telling you touch them all, dog. Every last one of them. Every last one of them, dog. I'm telling you, dog. And I would watch him do this every night. Left no fan behind. Every night.

This is what you got to do, Tank. And then you write songs. And then I got to meet my favorite producer, Timbaland. And me and Timbaland are on the bus with my PVDPM keyboard making beats together. Wow. And he's like, Tank, you talented. You got the sauce. What you got to do is you got to do this. You got to do this. All these And he's like, Tank, you talented, you got the sauce, what you gotta do is you gotta do this,

you gotta do this. All these guys gaming me, gaming me, gaming me. And then Genuine did what? Gave me the front of his stage. Go crazy, little bro. Right. Wow. You talk about, you talk about the leftovers.

Amen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm the coldest wingman in history. In history? In history. I carried the Foot Locker bags, you know. I'm the coldest wingman in history. In history? In history. I carried the Foot Locker bags. You know what I'm saying? I carried the Oak Tree bags.

I would be in the middle of the mall buying the silver jewelry. You understand what I'm saying? The sterling silver. So I could fit in with Genuine so his wingman wouldn't look so crazy. And when Genuine went out and he needed that wingman,

guess who was there? I was there. I was there. Ginuwine had just... You know the power of a laminate? An R&B laminate? You see the fuck I'm with? I'm with the wine. Oh my god, you're with

Ginuwine? We'd love to go see him. I would love for you to see him too. You got any friends? You got any friends? So that's genuine. Now let's cross over into TGT. Let's do it. Let's get into that.

What the fuck happened? Man, I'm going to blame all of us. You said all of us? All of us. Okay, all right, cool. As I put most of to blame all of us. You said all of us? All of us. Okay, all right, cool. As I put most of the blame on Tyrese. Yeah, I see that. And now some of the blame on Genuine.

And then I'll get back to myself. I'm here with you. That's very good, man. I'm going to make myself look better than those guys. This is the truth, okay? Okay. What happened the first time around is we fought to make that album. It was a hell of a process.

Okay. Because y'all all busy. No, no, no. Like, literally, like, only thing that kept me from fighting Tyrese, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, really, like,

slamming him on top of his head was that guy right there. It was Jay Valentine. What? Yeah, my manager. He was like, you can't go over there and fight Tyrese, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, really, like, slamming him on top of his head was that guy right there. It was Jay Valentine. What? Yeah, my manager. He was like, you can't go over there and fight Tyrese. I said, why can't I? I can.

He was in Transformers, dog. I can go to his house. We can fight, get it off our chest, and then make some more music. But you are not going to text me like I'm not a grown, like, Tyrese on the text chain? Oh, yeah.... Like Tyrese on the text chain? Oh, yeah. Oh, he greasy on the text chain. Hey, he go there on the text chain, right? And as soon as I say, cool, I'm coming to fuck you up.

That's why we always want to fight. Because those are fighting words. Okay, who's on his text chain, though? Me, Genuine, and Tyrese. It's the craziest text chain you've ever seen. Oh, y'all got a bootleg. You got a bootleg of them texts. And then you'll see Genuine say,

y'all shouldn't do this, Doc. Y'all better than this, Doc. No, I'm going to fuck him up. Absolutely. But that was just two alphas. Like, me and Ty are both Capricorns. And we bumped heads every step of the way. Capricorns.

I'm January 1st. Okay. He's the December 31st. We bumped heads every step of the way. Like that's my brother. So I can, I can say, I can talk about it. I can't nobody else talk about it. And I just felt like he was doing too much.

Why I was mad. He knows this. Why I was mad. I was like, listen. I make albums. I make bodies of work. I have classic albums. Talk that talk, man. I am still doing this shit at a high level.

Talk that talk. Let me handle the music. Your cachet as the biggest star in our group, I will give way to you handling the business. Use that Tyrese Blockbuster billion dollar box office cache to get us the best deal imaginable. He on all the Fast and Furiouses, right? All of the Furiouses. He's furious.

Right? Wake up, furious. He's furious, right? But let me handle this. The music's out. This is what the fuck I do. Right. And he wouldn't get out of my way. I'm furious. He's furious, right? But let me handle this. The music's out. This is what the fuck I do. Right.

And he wouldn't get out of my way. Kept stepping on my toes. He likes to do boot camps. I like to lock in with two or three producers, a couple writers, and make magic. What do you say in boot camps? Like people... Like a thousand producers making...

A thousand writers making... Yeah, Kanye. I just don't make music like that. I'm from the Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, from the Teddy Riley, from the Timberland, the Dr. Dre. I'm from those schools where we lock in and we find it and we make magic. That's what I'm from. But his process is not wrong. Just not my process.

So our arguments and our beef was more so men who have been successful trying to figure out a way, being successful individually trying to figure out a way to be successful together. Right? And so neither one of us wanted to bow down to either person's process. Your process not better than mine, nigga. Your process not better than mine. Well then here we are. And that's what made it difficult. Finally get the album done. Overtime, album finally comes out. We do some shows overseas.

I think seven shows overseas. We do like three shows in the U.S. And again, we have a movie star in the group. He gets called away to do a movie, which we couldn't control because with Paul passing, God rest his soul, from a scheduling standpoint, it got crazy for Ty and everybody that was a part of the franchise.

And so, when that responsibility called, he had to answer. And so, that threw us off on the first one. Getting into the second one. Looks like you passionate about this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm passionate about this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm passionate about this one. I want to say this so that everybody listening can get on their ass.

Okay, cool. Right? TGT the second time around is bigger than music. Bigger than music in terms of as it relates to us. It's for the R&B universe as a collective. Right. And for kings as a collective to see that kings can come together and do real shit. Creating a blueprint.

What I think is happening right now is as stressful as that process was, nobody feels like they have to inconvenience themselves anymore to do it. And I blame that on people being rich. Tyrese is rich. Real shit. Genuine is rich. Do they need TGT? No.

Doesn't matter to them. But the fans need it. But the R&B universe needs TGT. I think so too. For the love of what we are, for the legacy of what we're building, that's what TGT is about. This is my last album, but TGT would be my absolute last album if we did that, right? Because the people who are watching us, what is the message?

What is the message we send after one album, arguments online, and nothing after? What did we do? We hurt ourselves more than we helped ourselves. You believe that? With all the shit after the fact?

Right. I mean, people may be able to separate the music from the foolishness that we went through i respect it it was one of the greatest r&b albums ever created right i will say that but we got to finish right all right we got to finish right man all the way down to the wire right it's fourth quarter last three minutes left what are we doing real talk so that's where I'm at. All right. Come on, give me some more

of your Google books. Quick time. You got it? You sent it to me too? Yeah, you sent it to both of us or just me? Okay, I got it. Boom.

All right, you want to explain the rules? The rules are no politically correct answers. Shit. If you say both or neither, we all take a shot. So it's multiple.

One or two. So we're going to do this with the shot glass. It's one or the other. Two shots now. Let's work. You say one, we good.

Nobody drinks. Say both or neither, we drinking. We drink with you. You don't drink by yourself. We drink with you. Yeah, we all drink. Yeah.

Y'all can drink too. Yeah, yeah. Felt like I said it at first, but as long as you're with me. Yeah, we with you. We with you. We're leaving you out. All right, you ready?

Absolutely. I'm going to load my shot up now because I know I'm going to do something. Yeah, I'm going to load my shot up now too. You are correct. This is Japanese Deleon right here. This is Dominican Mama Juana right here. Niggas at the International Nations out here.

United Nations right here. I have the De Leon. Yo tengo el De Leon. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Para mi hermano. Yes, yes, yes. Same thing. All right.

Poor Lightly is a long game. Yeah, it's long. Snoop Dogg or Jay-Z? Ay! We drinking? We can drink. We can drink. I mean, or unless you got an answer.

I sounds like a drink. That sounds like a drink to me. Shit, drink. We can drink. I mean, or unless you got an answer. I sounds like a drink. That sounds like a drink to me. Shit, bro. Let's go. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Woo. Okay, you start off early. You did a dope.

I don't know what you're going to answer with this one. That was a little too much. Take your time. Take your time. Ain't you the champ? Nah, I've lost a couple times. It happens. Chris Brown or Usher? Chris Brown.

I didn't know what you was going to go with there. Trey Songz or Jeremiah? Trey Songz. Podcast or radio? You got a podcast right now. Podcast. Podcast. Okay, this one I don't know what you're going to say.

Rihanna or Beyonce? Beyonce. Missy or Eve? Missy. Keeps wet or Johnny Gill? Keep Sweat. Yeah, he played the game good. Pharrell or Kanye?

Pharrell. Fab or Jadakiss? Hi. Hi. Beverages. Beverages. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

Cheers. Whoo. Yeah. Solid. I don't like what's happening right now. I don't know, let's address this. You making the face like you just did a whole shot. That was like this small.

Nah, this is. Come on, man. This is that whiskey y'all. No, no, no, no. This is a little tougher than that. You know what I mean? Damn, like this, man. It's a little tougher. Trust me.

I do this shit all day. All right, all right, all right. Where we at? Okay. Ooh. Mariah or Janet? Janet. I got to ask this why on that one.

Because Penny from Good Times? In totality, the overall. You know what I mean? Seeing Janet as like the complete performer that she is. She just is what she is. That's right. You know what I mean? From a dancer to acting,

the full circle. She's a hit. Busta Rhymes or Eminem? You know what? I got to go with what I listen to. Okay. Busta Rhymes. Okay.

Do you want to explain that or are you good? I think that... Here's what I think. People have to figure out. If you've never seen anybody try to follow Busta Rhymes... On stage? On stage. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. You won't understand this. Yeah. You do not want any smoke with Busta Rhymes On stage? On stage. Oh yeah. You won't understand this. You do not want any smoke with Busta Rhymes and Spliffstar when them songs come on and start going back to back to back to back. Now could Eminem handle it? In the right setting.

In the verses. In the right setting. Let's rewind this question. Let's say versus. Busta versus Eminem. What is happening? Busta? Your face is crazy.

If anybody has an opportunity to jump on that man. With Eminem. With Eminem. With Eminem. It's Busta. Right. It's Busta. Right.

Because we had Game on here. Game said that he's better than Eminem. That Game is better. He's saying that. The Game, yeah. At what? At rapping. Okay.

Yeah. You have to believe. Yes, yes. That you are the best. That's how this works. Is it true? Yes, you are the best That's how this works Is it true? Yes it's real And that's it

I will never I will never talk down On a man believing in himself He believed it too Period Right I don't know I don't know

I will say I will say I Look again In terms of what I listen to Right Game songs on the playlist Right

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Analog. You a producer, right? Analog. Yeah. Tory Lanez or The Weeknd? Woo! Woo! Tory or The Weeknd? Wow. That was crazy. Take the shot? Nope. Ooh! Tory or The Weeknd? Wow!

That was crazy. Take the shot? Nope. Oh. Nope. I love how you did that just now. Nope. I'ma go with overall artistry in terms of tool bag.

I'ma go with Tory. Hmm. That was ill. Thriller? I ain't been broken to mid, all right, let's go, keep moving. Thriller or Off the Wall? Go ahead, get my shot ready. Yeah. I don't want to do this. We ain't got to play with it.

We ain't got to play with it. You know, give it to you. Full shots. I got to see what his shot looks like. This is crazy. Look. Okay, I'll take it. I'll take it.

I respect it. I respect it. Salud, salute. Woo, I just need to be on ice. All right. It's all good, okay. All right. Ooh. Dr. Dre or Puff Daddy? It's starting to feel like De Leon.

It's starting to feel like De Leon. It's your own criteria, whatever your criteria is. You can answer however way you want. Go on, take that shot. You got to get theseayre, you got to get these shots ready, man. No, man, because he was going through them. No, yeah, I was having a good time, and then I just hit a wall. I hit a wall. Puff and Dr. Dre, I mean, you're talking about guys, bro. You start talking about brands and headphones and liquor. Okay. And billions.

It's crazy. Marvin Gaye or Smokey Robinson? Marvin Gaye. Mm. Al Green or Teddy Pendergraft? Al Green. Wow. The Grits on Al Green?

Al Green. Grits on. Grits on. Jerry Curl, Baptist preaching, womanizing Al Green. I'm not sure if you should make some noise for that. Yeah, come on. That's where the music comes from. That's where the music comes from.

It's crazy, right? I told this guy here the other day, and I felt terrible. I said, it's kind of funny, because as you're going through this shit, you're making the best music ever. It's like, your hurt is making my ears happy. That's what pain does.

That's what pain does. Yeah. Like, Please Don't Go was a real song. Maybe I Deserve was a real song. Chill, chill, chill. That's my notes, chill. You're rushing this shit. Fucking up my notes.

Sorry, I'm sorry. I never know on this question. Michael Jackson or Prince? Michael Jackson. Have you met either one of them? The day I was supposed to go meet Michael, he passed. By the way, this is... Wow, the day.

What? The day. Jamie was taking all of us out to the ranch. Who's Jamie? Fox, I'm sorry. Jamie Fox was taking us all out to the ranch. Who's Jamie? Fox, I'm sorry. Jamie Foxx was taking us all out to- This rich nigga shit right here.

Jamie, I'm like, we just know that. I was singing backgrounds, okay? All right? So you were supposed to meet Michael Jackson? Yes, I was supposed to meet him. Wow. You was going to Neverland Ranch? They were rehearsing right next door to us, and then they told Foxx, yeah, bring your crew,

come on down. Michael would love to have you guys. You just called him Foxx just now? Is he the Jamie or not Jamie Foxx? It's not both. Because if you say both, yeah, bring your crew. Come on down. Michael would love to have you guys. You just called him Fox just now? Is he the Jamie or not Jamie Fox? It's not both. Because if you say Jamie, motherfucker Fox.

It's a whole package that goes from there. And I think he's got that trademark or something. I don't want to know. That's crazy. Holy moly. Okay. Bobby Brown or I'll be sure? Bobby Brown. Don't do that. I need to explain. The way you said that, I need you to explain why. Bobby Brown is one'll be sure? Bobby Brown, don't do that. I need to explain, because the way you said that,

I need you to explain why. Bobby Brown is one of the kings. Right. He's one of the kings. Like, when Bobby Brown left New Edition, who was the greatest group and probably the greatest group blueprint of all time. Right.

Right? Right. Bobby Brown went toe-to-toe with New Edition every night by himself. My prerogative. By himself. Doing what I gotta do. Listen, and in D. By himself. Do what I got to do. Listen, and in D.C., you know what I'm saying,

at the Capitol Center, he gave them problems. What do you mean? He went up against them? It was like a process? It was him then them. He was right before New Edition. Oh, wow. That's crazy.

So it was Al B. Shore, somebody before Al B. Shore, then Al B. Shore, then Bobby Brown, then New Edition. Wow. You know, Bobby went crazy. Why? Because Bobby went to that thing. Bobby went to that shit. You ever read his book when he said that he fried cocaine,

he fried chicken and cocaine? I did not read that. Did he say how it tasted? Was it the same? He kept the recipe. Was it the same? He kept the recipe. Was it? You know, no one else heard this story before?

We've said it here a million times. Yeah, well, supposedly in his book or somewhere, he had so much cocaine that he didn't know it was cocaine. He thought it was flour at one point. Oh, he did it by accident. Yeah, it was accident. And he dipped it,

like, you know how you make fried chicken? He dipped it in there. I want to hear the aftermath. I he dipped it. He made fried chicken. He dipped it in there. I want to hear the aftermath. I need the aftermath. You know what? That's how you know. That must have been the best chicken ever. That's how you know.

That's what's happening. That's how you know you're a real nigga. I never thought of that. How did it taste? Or it didn't taste good. It was going to numb your mouth. Oh, my God. That's crazy.

All right. There's a lot of information right there. We'll talk later. Otis Redding or Sam Cooke? Sam Cooke. Stevie Wonder or Luther Vandross? Stevie Wonder. You think Stevie can see?

Huh? You think he can see? Sometimes. What? Hey, you look good. Sometimes he can see. I think Stevie got a driver's license Huh? I think Stevie got a driver's license

Stevie can see sometimes I don't know how he does it You met Stevie? I've met Stevie a bunch of times Stevie gave me a recording kit one time Me and Stevie sat side by side on the piano On the keyboard before Singing lyrics

He sang my lyrics and I messed his up It's cool, it's fine I apologize No, it's fine. I apologize. No, it's not fine. I apologize. What the fuck? I apologize. First of all,

this is the ultimate floss. He's flossing on us crazy right now. I was on the spot. Like, Stevie will walk up to you all the time and sit next to you

on the keyboard and say, I know all of your songs and just start singing your lyrics and I was, I choked. Shaq said he rode in the elevator with Stevie

and Stevie pressed the button. Shaq said this? Yeah, there's a story out there. Let's get it. I love the frost. You sat down, you played the piano together. Let's just be clear. You think you could see the piano?

Because this is real. I'm not even playing around. I mean, at that point, you don't have to see when you play like that. I don't have to see the piano? Because this is real I'm not even playing around I mean at that point You don't have to see When you play like that I don't have to see the piano I'm talking about in real life You think he could see though

For real? I think he can see sometimes Right? Because How do you know this? I think that because Other senses are so heightened Right

Right? And being able to understand The sensibility of shapes And sizes of things and counting and the math of things. Right. The ability to visualize what's in front of you is possible. Maybe you see shades. It's possible to be able to, from a sonic standpoint. Right.

Right? You've seen Batman when they were using the phones to pin, uh, pin, uh, what do they call it with the, with the, uh, with the submarines, uh, the pink, the radar, the sonar, right. And so there's an idea of sonar existing within us. Right. And so that will create the structure of whatever space that you're in or whatever thing that you're touching. Right. Possible. Can he see, switch lanes? No, no, Stevie can't switch lanes. Alright.

This is what I think Shaq said. Shaq said he rode in the elevator with him. He didn't say that he was in there. He just seen Stevie, like they lived in the same building, and they both walked in, and Shaq, because he didn't want to say that, and Stevie said, when Shaq walked out. Alright, later Diesel.

After pressing the button too? How much shit did he see? That's the first reason obviously but you can Google it. Google it online. Shaq accuses that Stevie could actually see. There's a way to

figure it's Stevie. He's been behind long enough to professionally understand how that works. That's true. Stevie Wonder gave Daryl Dawkins his Chocolate Thunder nickname. What?

He gave what? He gave Daryl Dawkins his Chocolate Thunder nickname. How he know he chocolate? I'm sure somebody told him. Daryl Dawkins, his Chocolate Thunder nickname. How he know he chocolate? I'm sure somebody told him. Daryl Dawkins? Daryl Dawkins? I mean, that's a darker guy.

Daryl Dawkins. All right. We said oldest ready man Sam Cooke, right? Did we skip over Erykah Badu and Alicia Keys? Yeah, you did. Erykah Badu or Alicia Keys? Erykah. Erykah.

Erykah Badu. You got her pussy incense? No, I wouldn't. What do you mean? I don't have it. You don't want to support the pussy? I support pussy. She has pussy incense. You don't know that? Yeah,? I support pussy. She has pussy incense.

You don't know that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pussy home goods? No, no, it's called pussy. It's the product. It's the whole product line? I don't know how to explain that to my wife that I brought some pussy home.

You know what I'm saying? That's a good point. You know what I'm saying? Like, babe, I got this pussy I found. I thought we were supporting the culture, but I forgot. They might be like, what the fuck is he bringing that? So you point You know what I'm saying Babe I got this I got this pussy I found I thought we were supporting The culture But I forgot It might be like What the fuck is

You bringing that So you want to know What her pussy smell like No no no I didn't think of it like that Oh you want me to put it on So I can smell like her So you can be aroused

No no no That's what I'm trying to do I'm just trying to Support the pussy Oh you support the pussy No no no It's not It's not a good

Bring home pussy You never win Yeah you never win Holy shit That not a good bring home present. You never win. Yeah, you never win. Holy shit, that was a good point. I had no idea. All right, new edition. No, you skipped.

Oh, no, no, you did. No, we did. New edition or the Jackson 5? Fuck. I have to go with New Edition. You really love New Edition, bro. Love New Edition. I was raised on that album.

My love for R&B grew with any heartbreak. You understand what I'm saying? Going to that tour, my first concert, asking my father, please, can you take me to see New Edition? Wow. We need New Edition on here, too. Yes. Yes. that was we need to get them that's the blueprint for me and then from new edition spawned every other group that you can think of at this point from the NSYNC oh yeah

the whole boy band the whole boy band was before that or way way way wait, wait. Really? Come on. 80s, right? You thinking about when is Michael Jackson after Jackson 5? Yeah, no. You talking about you, man. 70s. When did it come out? 70s. 70s, yeah.

I'm born in 77. I'm born in 76. Yes, yes. So, New Edition became the blueprint for every successful group thereafter. The blueprint, nothing different. This is how we're gonna rehearse, this is how we're going to sing, this is how we're going to do it.

We need five. Oh, whole thing. Whole thing. Got to be able to do that. Yep, yep. And they're the Blueprint. Right. God damn it.

Make some noise for new addition. So besides new addition, who else were you listening to really young? Jodeci. I can see it. I can see it? Jodeci. I could see it. I could see it. Jodeci. Now, that's a blueprint.

Yeah. That was like the bad boys of R&B. Well, Bobby was the bad boy of R&B. And then the three. BBD. Of course. The first R&B and hip-hop group. Right.

Which is new addition. It's new addition But in a spawn off right, but never have been done before right? They were the first So they had kind of a edge to them if you want to say that you're saying and then there's no addition Yeah, but you'llci, my God. Yeah. My God. We can take a shot to that. My God. Can we just take a shot to Jodeci? Yeah, let's take a shot. Just because. Just because.

Anybody else want to? Jodeci shot? Yeah, this is a Jodeci shot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Salud. Salud. So that was my makeup when I would go to churches all over DMV.

They'd be like, you sound like a Gospel Jodeci. Like, you know what I'm saying? Right. You sound like a Gospel Jodeci or R. Kelly. Like, you just got, you know. Woo, R. Kelly? Yeah. Rob.

Uh-huh. R. Kelly. Oh, you call him Rob. R. Kelly. He said Rob. R. Kelly. You call him Rob. R. Kelly. Robert Kelly. Blueprint. Right. I get it. Yeah.

I get it. Yeah. I understand. Right. But there's absolutely no way that... Now, there are other guests right over there. There's absolutely no way

that I can dig into my musical DNA and strip away Jodeci and R. Kelly and Brian McKnight and Babyface. It's absolutely impossible. Everyone else is is like we get it

you understand but like i still watch the cosby show and you should though and how does it make you feel when you watch it do the lessons still feel the same did you see did you see the bill cosby um documentary we got to talk about bill it's? We got to talk about Bill. It's cold. We got to talk about Bill. I didn't have to sing the documentary. I saw the Rob documentary, which scared me. It scared me.

Because you worked with R. Kelly, right? Indirectly. I did a song for Charissa that R. Kelly ended up featuring on. And I produced and wrote it. and R. Kelly got on it and sang, so indirectly. Hung out with him a couple times, played some basketball. You want to hear that? Yeah, I would like to hear that.

Playing basketball with R. Kelly. Let's take it there. I'm going to try to make this short, because it's three-parter. Alright, alright. So, we're having a celebrity basketball game. Okay. First time I meet Rob, let's go back to that. I meet Rob with R. Kelly.

First time I meet R. Kelly was with Tyrese. Tyrese, we caught. Come outside. Because Tyrese is. Come on, Tyrese. We together, Tyrese. Tyrese is the fan club president. Of R. Kelly?

Of R. Kelly. We did not know this. Fan club president. Probably writing him right now in jail. Number one fan president. R. Kelly, what do you need? Tyrese will provide. I thought I was the big R. Kelly fan.

Tyrese trumps me by a thousand. Right, okay. Big up Tyrese. So, we're at the W in, where is this? The W in- We were in Cali? Off Wilshire, yeah. On Westwood. Westwood.

Westwood, yes. And this is the first time I meet R. Kelly. At the W. At the W. R. Kelly gets off the bus, walks over to me, gives me a hug, and the only thing he says to me is a devil, dead or alive,

can't keep us apart. I know what he meant by that. He's trying to say that y'all had smoke. Nah. No, for my back. But I read that wrong. You said it the first time you met him? First time I met him. He says it's out the gate.

He said, can a devil, dead or alive, keep us apart? I know who he was talking about. I know who he was talking about. Somebody was talking shit about y'all. No, somebody who was just keeping us apart. Because I was signed under the idea that I was the next R. Kelly by the person who made R. Kelly. So I knew exactly what he was talking about.

But that was in separate ways. I haven't seen him again since, right? Cut to Orlando. I think it's All-Star or Super Bowl. Celebrity basketball game. Chris Brown and celebrity friends versus R. Kelly and celebrity friends. Let's go. That's kind of ill.

Ill. It's going to be crazy. Chris against R. Kelly. Listen. Holy shit. That's a good versus too. They're announcing Chris Brown's celebrity team. It's a bunch of celebrities.

It's us, right? All of us. R. Kelly comes running in with his team. They announce the celebrities for the R. Kelly team. Give it up for R. Kelly. Play ball. It is R. Kelly and 17 goons fresh out. None of their clothes match. Shoes is fucked up. It sound like a movie. These guys are not basketball

players. They are criminals. For sure. I know the criminal outfit. I know it. I know it. The game starts. I said it. The game starts. I said, I got Kells. Pardon me.

I just need the fans to understand what you're saying. You're saying you're guarding. I'm checking R. Kelly. Okay. Guard. Yes. Let's go. R. Kelly.

R. Kelly decides to cut to the left. I get a pick upside my head. Like a pick? Like a pick. Oh, okay. Boom! Upside my head.

Who hit you? One of the goons. One of many goons. Okay, okay. I said, got me on that one. Keep my head on the swivel That's on me

Still checking out Kelly Still checking out Kelly Kelly cuts to the left Boom boom Two picks From sad goons I said Woo boy Hallelujah I'm gonna just from Sad Goons. I said, woo, boy.

Hallelujah. I'm going to just I'm going to try to keep my shit together. Something don't feel right. Kelly gets the ball, cut into the basket, turn to go with him. Boom.

Sad Goon again. Same guy. I said, cool. If that's how the fuck y'all want to play, that's how the fuck we going to play. And you're on Chris Brown's team? Yes. Okay, cool. I play football.

I play basketball because I can. I'm a football player. I'm a linebacker and a running back. There you go. I said, let's play. I proceeded to run every one of these motherfuckers the fuck over. Every player. I'm talking cash shit to kill. Yeah, you got these motherfuckers trying to pick me, I'm a savage.

You don't want it. He coming down trying to check me off, you can't check me. Bitch ass nigga, oh, bitch ass nigga. Oh, for the lady. And one. This your king? This nigga's trash. Get this nigga the fuck out of here.

Whole game, I'm going crazy. Only the first half. It gets to a point to where T.I., fresh out, comes out of the stands and says, Hey Tank, you got to keep a cool head, bro. You got to keep a cool head, bro. You got to keep a cool head. I said, first of all, I'm in my mind like, nigga, you just got out of the gym. And then I'm thinking like, am I that bad that a man fresh out of prison has to tell me to calm down? I'm gone, though. Second half comes.

We're about to win the game. R. Kelly makes a shot. They give him 30 points. I'm gone though. Second half comes. We about to win the game. R. Kelly makes a shot. They give him 30 points. I'm livid. Wayne Williams, I'm cussing him the fuck out. I'm cussing R. Kelly out. I'm cussing his goons out there like Tank. It ain't personal.

It's just how we got to play. We're out. Fuck y'all and fuck Rob. I'm on. Catch the ball up. Two seconds left. I win the game. Get him the fuck out of here. Get him out of here. Ho ass nigga. I'm on. Catch the ball up. Two seconds left. I win the game. Get him the fuck out of here.

Get him out of here. Ho ass nigga. I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. Most people don't know that side of me. I'm a nice guy. I'm really nice.

I sing R&B music. I'm a nice guy. Make some noise for R. Kelly. They leave. Never see R. Kelly again. Never see him again. But that's on my mind. I'm pissed. see R. Kelly again. Never see him again. But that's on my mind. I'm pissed.

Fuck R. Kelly for the rest of the time. That's how you make, you know what I'm saying? That's how you make real enemies on the basketball court. Right? That was some whole ass shit.

Niggas just picking for you all game. Niggas would catch the rebound up under the basketball court and throw it back to him so he could shoot it. That's how they play. Kells gets the ball. Anybody else shoots, somebody gonna get fucked up. That's how they play. Kells gets the ball. Anybody else shoots,

somebody's going to get fucked up. That's how he plays. Cut to we in Chicago on some TGT business. Again, Tyrese's all things R. Kelly. He like, look, man, Rob really wants you to come by the gym.

You know what I'm saying? And just, you know, let bygones be bygones. You know, I'm like, man, fuck you know, let bygones be bygones, you know, I'm like, man, fuck Rob, man. I tell him I said that. No, don't be like that, Tank, you know, the king, yeah, the king just wanna holler at you, the king, why you calling him the king? First of all, you know he the king,

all right, he the king, fuck it, but anyway, just, you gotta be real, right, this is fucking, fucking King R.R. Meade, right, what are we talking about, right? It's fucking R. real, right? This is fucking King R.R. Meek, right? What are we talking about, right? It's fucking R. Kelly, right? So I was like, he finally talked to me. And so I was like, fuck it, I'll go. I'll go.

This is before the tapes or this is after the tapes? This is before the case. For the tapes. I'm talking about, you know, the tape. You know, that was like number one on bootleg. After the tape. Okay. After the tape.

That was going there. All right, respect that. So he wasn't convicted. That's right. After the tape. Okay. After the tape. That was going in. All right, respect that. So he wasn't convicted. That's right. That's right. I can't judge him.

Anyway, so- Plus you still want to bust his ass in basketball. I still want to bust his ass in basketball. So we get to the gym, right? I've never really told this part of the story. I leave this part out, but we're here. Right. So we walk in, and as soon as we walk into the gym, I'm cuz I'm it's just me and Tyrese. I know it's our Kelly

I know he got his goons with him. You know I'm saying I'm ready for whatever it is what it is, right? So soon as I walk in the gym walking in with my face on yeah, nigga. He like this Come on man. You know I love you man. Come here man Come here, man, and he goes to embrace me and he starts tickling me. What the fuck? Now here's the problem with that. Again, I'm really ticklish. So I'm like, stop, you stop, you stop.

You get off me. It's that kind of moment. The most embarrassing moment of all, R. Kelly's tickling me and I'm ticklish, right? So I guess that was his way of making friends. Luckily, Instagram wasn't back then.

Right, oh my God. They were still with you. But he was like, yeah, this is how you got to calm a tank down. You got to tickle him because a tank will fuck you up. You got to tickle the tank.

I have no idea. A girl called him. No, I'm not going to do this with you. So anyway. I've been here before. I'm not doing this with you. My do this with you. So anyway. I've been here before. I'm not doing this with you. So anyway, this is R. Kelly's way of trying to get back at me.

He put me on the opposite team. R. Kelly's rules in the gym is when he wins, he plays next. When he loses, he plays next. Does it sound like rules to me at all? It is R. Kelly's world. It's Kel's world. He wins and loses. He literally wins and loses.

Right? He put me on every opposing team. Now, the first game, I'm going crazy. I'm like, fuck that. It is what it is, right? So, I'm going ham on him. But then I stop.

And I check myself. Because by the way, the first game you won, right? First game I won. I check myself. I say, you know what? In real life, I respect this man. In real life, he is the king of R&B. In real life, yes, I'm athletically superior.

I'm younger. He's older. Right? Let me let my elder do his thing. And so... So you let him win. For the rest of the games, I let him win. I was like, you know what?

It is what it is. He'll make a shot. Ooh, that's a shot right there. Boy, where you shoot that from? You shot that from Madagascar. Boy, you know what? It is what it is. He'll make a shot and, ooh, that's a shot right there. Boy, where'd you shoot that from? You shot that from Madagascar. Boy, you cool, right? I ain't gonna lie. You're a better man than me. Listen, I'm not done.

Maybe the tickling softened you up. I think that's what it did. It definitely worked. The tickle softened me. It did. I was like, he knows me. Cut to my brother Jake Valentine comes to town. He's always my ringer, right?

And I said, listen, man, Kels wants us to come play basketball with him tonight. I feel like we back cool again, right? He's like, man, I'm not going to play with Kels, nigga. I play real basketball. I was like, I know, but you know, it's the king. I sound like Tyrese now. It's the king. You know'm not going to play with Kells, nigga. I play real basketball. I was like, I know, but it's the king. I sound like Tyrese now. It's the king.

You know, we get to go hoop. Like, just, you know, we'll play, but you don't really got to play. Like, just be cool. He's like, man, I don't want to part. I said, man, please, please. So Jay says, I'm coming. Let's go. So we go pull up at the gym with Kells.

Kells sees me this time. Hey, Tank, how you doing, man? Good to see you, baby. I said, yeah, this is my manager, Jay Valentine. He said, your manager? He look like your goddamn son. I said, yeah, he Asian and black. They don't age. You know what I'm saying? So we starts to playing, right? And I'm telling Jay, I'm like, Jay, be cool. You look at him. You don't think he getting ready to do what he getting ready to do. But he's going to do it. Oh, fuck. I don't know where this is going. Oh, yeah. So I'm going.

We're sitting there. We're playing. I can't even read where this is going. I'm confused. I don't know where this is going. R. Kelly wins the first game and he starts talking cash shit. Told you, hoe ass niggas from L.A. Like y'all like that. This shot town, nigga. This shot town. You niggas ain't bitch ass niggas. Oh, he's calling us everything out of the book. Jake walks over to me and says, I'm not losing the next game. I was like, oh, shit.

Shit. Come down the court. Next very first play of the next game. Jake out the ball. Three. Come down the very next play. Spinning in a circle. Three.

Come down the next play. To the rack. Hold the fuck up! Who got the pretty, nigga? What do you mean? You get the fuck out, you get the fuck in. He sucked the nigga mid-game.

He sucked the nigga mid-game. Oh, wow, wow. We won that game. I said, Jay, are you good now? He said, I'm good. We'll lose the rest. And we lost the rest of the games for the sake of our killing. It doesn't look like he still ain't agreeing with you.

He's still not cool with it. To this day, he's still not cool with it. He still not cool with it. To this day, he still not cool with it. You got a career. But, you know, those were good moments for me because I got to be around, you know, that guy who I thought musically was, you know, greatest of all times. You know what I'm saying? In spite of, you know what I mean, it's a lot connected to it that, you know, we don't have to unpack. We get what it is. But that's why I bring up the Bill Cosby thing is because,

and I think you asked me earlier and I didn't know how to answer it, saying how do you feel when I still see the Cosby show? The Cosby show is still one of the greatest shows. It's still the Cosby show. It's still the Cosby Show. It's still the Cosby Show. And it made me feel ill that I could see a positive black family on there. So I don't think

it takes away from that. So if you still love R. Kelly's music, that's something. It's just the thing is the music, what it depicts, and then knowing

what the charges are. Well, not even what the music depicts, more so what the music enabled. Right. The power of the music and the power, period. Right, not even what the music depicts, more so what the music enabled. Right. The power of the music and the power, period. Right, but the sexual content,

thinking that you're talking to a woman or whatever, then knowing now, that's probably where people have a problem, you know, connecting. I get it. Knowing that the music is great,

but then have a hard time listening to it. But at the time, while I was being inspired by it, I'm a kid. I don't know. No, of course. But people will see that and say you

know the headline Oh tank was inspired by our Kelly every R&B singer you ever run into from now from then to now on will tell you right he's the guy right you can't deny our Kelly right how many rappers careers if they didn't have our Kelly on the hook? On the hook. You got to give that. Yeah. If you don't give nothing else. Yeah.

That's why I brought up the Cosby show because the Cosby show is just. It was everything we needed. It was funny about the Cosby show. Sorry to change the subject a little bit. But you notice no one from the Cosby show is dissing Bill. Not one of them. It's one character that was Denise's old boyfriend. Yeah.

That's it. But none of them are dissing Bill. Well, because you have to look at it like this, right? And let's say there is a monster that is Bill Cosby. Let's just say it hypothetically. Right. I guarantee you they never got to hypothetically right i guarantee you they never got to see him i guarantee you they never met him right only only person they met was a was a man

that changed their lives for the better right that gave them an opportunity that probably so somebody else wouldn't nobody else would all right that's what they see right you know what i mean so how do you how do So how do you say something against that? If anything, you can't say nothing at all. You'd be in support or nothing. I don't know who you guys know or who you guys see or who

you guys have met, but the man that I met changed my life for the better. I wouldn't be the person I am, the woman or the man that I am without that man. Look, it says Shaquille O'Neal jokingly says that

he's not really blind. Shaquille O'Neal jokingly suggests Stevie Wonder is not really blind. I just seen him in the elevator saying, what's up? I just told you. He's blind. But he can see some shit. I love that. But he can see some shit. I love that answer.

He can see some shit. By the way, we got one more question from Quick Time of Slime. Two? Oh, really? Okay, sorry. I thought it was just one. Did I go on that tangent? Was that me?

That was my fault? No, no, no. We ended it. No, we didn't do the... That's our fault, actually. Okay. Ooh. TLC or SWV I'm just cooling my drink off okay I'm just cool in my drink off okay it's cool too much to my drinker. SWV.

SWV over TLC. Easy. Wow, that's a L. Wow, easy. Easy. Coco? We need SWV and TLC. And well, Jack. Jack said he could get us.

Jack Thrill. That's right. That's right. Coco? No, SWV. S-W-U-V. Come on, come on. Sing. They're my girls, too. I love them. Let me. Come on. Sing.

Woo. They're my girls too. I love them. I just did a show with them not too long ago. Love them. Love them. Come on. You got one more?

Last question. All right. Loyalty or respect? That's a great question. That's a great question. It's a great question. I'm going to go with. Just take a shot. Nope.

I'm going to go with respect. Okay. We definitely need an explanation for this. I'm going to go with respect Okay We definitely need an explanation for this I'm going to go with respect Why? Because Because loyalty has so many Levels to it It has so many levels to it

In terms of what you require From something or someone In order for it to feel like loyalty. It just varies so much. But as long as I have your respect, as long as you understand that I am who I am and I do what I do, and you can acknowledge that, I can live with that. As long as you can say, you know what,

whether you stay with me or not, that. I can live with that. As long as you can say, you know what? Whether you stay with me or not, in terms, whether it's business or personal, whatever it is, as long as you can acknowledge that motherfucker did it right by me. He is what he is. He is everything he says he is.

I can live with it. I'm going to take a shot to that though. I'm going to be honest. Okay, we're fine. I'm going to take it with you. I don't need it. Yeah. I'm going to take a shot to that though. I'm going to be honest. Okay, we're fine. I'm going to take it with you. I'm not going to leave you by yourself. Because you know why? Me and EFN, we... Salo. Salo, I'm going to get over there. It's tight suit I got on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuckin' fuck my ass. It's tight suit I got on. So, me and EFN, we always say both. Me and him, we always say both me and him we always say both to it because well that's the answer when it was answered that way we all

it made the most sense to us right I mean I still I'm still with both I'm still with both because I think with loyalty comes respect I think respect comes loyalty they're not hand in hand

in the same sense right listen here's the thing yeah because at some point we have to consider self-preservation right and so as we consider self-preservation we have to consider that for the other person right and sometimes within the interest of self-preservation you are now not the priority like Like, I love you, but in the interest of self-preservation,

I can't pick you, right? And so the respect takes over when you're able to come to me and articulate that. I respect you, so let me have this conversation with you, whether it be a tough conversation or not. It's when there's no respect involved where that disloyal situation. There's no right or wrong answer. It really is.

It really is. You can be wronged by both. You can, but I at least want the respect. If you don't want to rock with me no more, after everything I've done, at least come and tell me. Don't let me find out on the streets. Have that kind of respect for me. That's why I picked respect.

I think the reason why we would say both is because we feel that when you have both, there's better chances that it'll be a better situation. When there's just one there, there's more opportunity for something else to go. Can I tell you, it's hard to get both. Absolutely. It's hard to get both.

Even when you think, it's usually not. Both are this small. Right. Circles this small. Right. I can count those people on one and a half hands. Right. Let's make some noise for that.

Quick question. What era of R&B do you think is the most impactful? 90s. Now, what groups are we talking about in the 90s? Boyz II Men, Jodeci, Mary J. Even before the predecessors, even going back to the 60s and 70s R&B. R. Kelly, Aaliyah, Genuine, Drew Hill, Jagged Edge, 112, Donnell Jones, Monica, Brandy. And why do you think that's the most impactful era? Why do you think those groups, what did they do that you feel is most impactful?

I'll be selfish first and say they made me. I'll start there. And that was my era. That's the era I lived in. That's the era where I put on some pencil pocket guest jeans and a party shirt and went to some young lady's house who was having a basement party. You know what I'm saying? And we got in trouble for turning the lights off.

You know what I'm saying? You just finger popping? Huh? You just finger popping? Absolutely. What do you mean? Absolutely. I just get a little bit on that finger.

Okay. Okay. You look like a finger popper. I ain't gonna lie. Look how big my hands are. Come on. This is real. You look like a finger popper. DH is right. I ain't gonna lie. Look how big my hands are. Come on, ladies. This is real, real hell. You look like a straight finger popper.

I'm R&B, baby. You gotta touch it. R&B money on the chain and everything. You gotta touch it. You know what I'm thinking? No, go ahead. That's my era. Mm-hmm.

Like, where the last, even when, you know, the up-tempo's were ruling the world, the last hour, hour and a half of whatever function you was at, slow jams. Slow jams. You got to really dig in and grab them cheeks and go side to side. I mean, what you doing later? Like, I've been feeling you all night. I've been looking at you. I've been looking at you looking at me, looking at you, looking at me.

I'm like, what are we doing? The closing. No fights at the club after that? I was always jealous of y'all R&B niggas because of that. You should have been. You should have been.

My shit is ending with, we out there, we partying, I'm doing the best performance ever, someone want to stab some nigga. Yes. I'm like, I hate this shit. I go to R&B concerts, these niggas got a, ah, Eddie Anderson. Yes.

What are they, no fights? You end, you end, no fights. No real? No, no, no, not me. Yes, you do. That's why I don't do no music. Why don't you just tell what you did. Many a man have been stabbed because of your walkthrough and performance.

It's you, man. You know what else I was jealous of? I went to a Mike Epps concert. Yeah. And I just snuck in because I just wanted to see how this shit felt. And it was all positive energy. I was like, do y'all know how y'all blessed? Like hip-hop,

we, in hip-hop, you gotta be on point because you just feel like someone else is just gonna test you or try you. But when I go to R&B or I go to a comedian concert and I just sit there and there's no drama. I'm very jealous of you guys when it comes to that.

The validation is different. Your validation is a rap sheet. That's just fucked up. That's fucked up. Because it's true. It's fucked up. That's your validation. You have to have attempted murder, beat a murder.

Get caught with a gun. Got caught with a gun. Served a drug. And they want you to get shot. They want you to get shot. You gotta get touched. At least grazed. Yeah, they got to get touched. Show me the wound.

Yeah, yeah. I got to get my grazed. And mind you, it's all survival music. And you're still going back into it. And you're still going back into it. Yeah. My validation. Let's be R&B singers, y'all.

My validation is a woman screaming out loud, that nigga can fuck. That's my validation. That could be dangerous, too, though. Hey that nigga can fuck. That's my validation. That could be dangerous too, though. Hey. God, wait. Let's go. But it's danger I'm willing to dive into. Let me tell you something.

When I did reggae at the home for the year and a half, two years I did, I was probably the most happiest I've ever been in music. Because I would party. In Orlando, you said Orlando earlier. Orlando was one of my number one markets. probably the most happiest I've ever been in music. Because I would party in Orlando. You said Orlando earlier. Orlando was one of my number one markets.

And we would party and party afterwards. I wasn't used to that. I was used to party and then the party closes. And looking over your shoulder. Something happens. Something's going to happen. And I could sit there and I could just dance. And I was like the happiest guy. I should have been a vegan at the time.

Because I was just the happiest guy. How does that been a vegan at the time. Because I was just the happiest guy. Because, you know, vegans be happy and shit. So I was just, I should have, and I was like, when I realized, then I went back to hip hop, and I had to get back used to violence. Like, that was just. Yeah, but no front. Shit went down around reggaeton shit, too.

Nah, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I had 99 shows, 100 shows of reggaeton I swear to God probably 99 of them nothing. No, that's never happened. Nothing. Nothing never happened I swear to God that's not to say that's're ching-ching, something, y'all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but hey, man, it happens. Listen, hip-hop inspires that. I think that was my crowd.

I don't even think that was a regular crowd. I'm going to blame me. You might be right. You might be right. It was me. Hip-hop inspires it. It inspires you to show what you're made of. But that's fucked up.

It's rap sheet. Rap sheet music. That's fucked up. Or, you know, say I got a rap sheet. As it is in today's time. Because nobody's really checking the receipts. Not all MCs. Not all rappers.

No, some rappers, it's fabricated. No, but see, not all of them are rhyming about that. That's true. I mean, most are. 98%? That's too high of a percentage look at the charts no chart

if you're talking about charts that's different what's on the charts I mean but that's how we're identified right but remember let's go back to metrics

there's a lot of things that are popping that are not on the charts if they want to know the best about us what do they look right they look at

mainstream culture right and what is mainstream culture right it's violence it's drug dealing it's drug selling it's drug using that's what that's what they And what is mainstream culture? It's violence. It's drug dealing. It's drug selling.

It's drug using. That's what they perceive as the best about it. Why though? Why is it the best of us? Why? Sam Smith gets to sing a great song about stay with me.

That goes straight to power rotation on a mainstream radio station. a great song about stay with me, that goes straight to power rotation on a mainstream radio station. If I sing that same song, stay with me, limited bandwidth. Because our violence isn't the threat, Our love is. Our family separated is fine. It's perfect. The man staying with his family and raising his kids

and pouring into his woman, that's the threat. You're about to be a preacher. That's the threat. You're about to be a preacher. That is, that is. I feel it. Amen, praise God. Holy Spirit, this is me.

And that's what R&B stands for, and that's why R&B takes such a backseat, because we're not promoting the aesthetic that continues to perpetuate the stereotype. You guys are killers. You guys are stereotype. You guys are killers. You guys are animals. You guys are savages. That's when you're at your best. So that's what we're going to reward.

Those are the guys who get the $100 million deals. Those are the guys who fill up the arenas and stadiums and talk that shit. We love when you talk that shit. Love? We're cool. We're cool. I love love.

You do? Why isn't love and love popular? We don't control. We don't own conglomerates. It comes down to ownership. We don't own radio.

We don't own streaming. We don't own media. We don't own none of it. But we own our feelings. And it's very seldom that people promote love and love, love and being in love. Well, because what happens now is that with social media and all these other things, you get hypnotized by an algorithm. Right. And everybody wants to be popping.

Right? So in the idea of wanting to be popping, you go on a roll with what's popping. They're not leaders anymore. They're followers. Like what happened in the Oscars, that that became to roll with what's popping. Nobody's, they're not leaders anymore, they're followers. Like what happened in the Oscars, that that became immediately, everybody had to post that. Had to. Had to. They wanted to be a part, they wanted to ride the wave of the algorithm. So bad.

I was riding the wave. I posted it. It's the algorithm. I'm sorry, I got caught. When you have to, you have a business. I got caught? I don't mind being caught. I don't mind. I mean, whatever, I'm just saying last night, immediately, not a second passed.

The memes were there. They didn't. Everybody, bomb, bomb, bomb. And I'm like, wow. We live in a mean society. The thirst to be on that algorithm.

To be in that algorithm. Right. And so the algorithm is drugs, abuse of any kind, ratchet, killing. It's all, like, listen, I'm a victim of it. I'm on Worldstar.

Worldstar, what you doing? I'm just looking. I'm like, you know, and I'm seeing the headline is. Oh, you're saying you're on Worldstar. I'm on Worldstar. He's checking it out. I thought you was a video of you doing some shit. Worldstar, take.

Yeah, young lady accidentally shoots her friend in the head. I saw that. And I'm like. Yeah, my boy was saying that. And I'm like, I have to click that. I have to see what that is. Yeah, I saw that. And that's where we are.

Yeah, it's terrible. In society. Yeah. Especially ours. Big up the world star, my man Danny. Oh, yeah. My people, yeah, yeah. So we could post some cool love shit all day.

Dory, you could say tomorrow, I'm in love. I'm in love with my life. I say that all the time. I'm married. Yeah. But nothing's going to go more viral. I'm out here smacking some ass. Then if you say, you know what?

I'm going to be honest with y'all. I got two bodies in Denver. Gone. All right. Gone. Oh, I won't be saying that. Gone. All right. Gone. Oh, I won't be saying that, sir. No, no, no. Unfortunately, some of them are going to say that.

I know what you're saying, though. But nothing would be more vital. Yeah, yeah. To hell with your love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To hell with your love. Yeah, yeah. Your brown love.

I care about your brown love. We care about your brown savagery. Right, right. Show us the savage. we care about your brown savagery. Show us the savage. That's when you're at your best. I always go back to like, think about Denzel. You hear what he said to Will?

He said, the devil's gonna come at you when you're at your highest. Of course, of course. That was the worst Denzel impression ever. No, it was bad. It was bad. It was bad was the worst Denzel impression ever. No, it was bad. But imagine Denzel winning an Oscar for Training Day and not winning for Malcolm X. Yeah.

It's the world we live in. Yep. Did he work? Did he work? Yeah. One of my favorite movies of Denzel, Remember the Titans. The football? Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah. You will remember the night you played the Titans. Yes. Whether you win or lose, you're going to remember this night. I use that. Yeah, I use that too. You remember the night you saw Tank?

Yeah. You're getting me hyped right now. Whether you get lucky or not. I don't know what you're doing right now. You're trying to move up right now. But you get lucky or not. I don't know what you're doing right now. You're trying to move up right now. But imagine Denzel winning for being a crooked cop.

That's right. Being a nigga at his finest. But let's just be clear, Tank, in all honesty, he killed that. Not going to lie to you.

He did, but didn't he kill everything else? He killed Malcolm X too. Everything he touches. Didn't he? Why did he deserve it for that and not anything else? No, you know what?

I'm going to be honest. I think that they slept on Malcolm X and they didn't want to give that powerful black image. We're not giving power to black. I respect that. Power. What it is. You're going to win in the space we think you should win in.

Where we think you're at your best. This is where you live for us. Now we will reward you. That's how that works. I was about to say take a shot

but I don't think we should take a shot for that. Probably not. Yeah, probably. Take another shot. I don't think so. Yeah, a little bit.

We're in the same house and come up and I'm like, damn, I wanted to take a shot for that. Probably not. Yeah, probably. I don't think so. Something worthy of it. But maybe not. This is real. And I'm not, listen, as much as the Will you know, smacking Chris is a thing, I'm not going to let

that overshadow the fact that Will got his Oscar. And Questlove also that he's been that he's been deserving of the actual Will Smith movie that he won it for absolutely I was upset with the movie upset?

and I think it probably was a licensing issue because I felt like we never got to see Venus and Serena do everything that they did. And maybe that's for another movie. Yeah, you know what?

But I was waiting. I was waiting to go into all the Grand Slams. I was waiting to go there because I watched all of it. And that's all. That's the only reason I was mad at it.

I got where it didn't go there. I got where it kind of I see why it probably didn't. There's some, probably some, Venus and Serena was like, nah, that's ours. Exactly.

We'll tell our story. This is his story. This is his story. We'll tell our story later. I felt like it was his story with them in it. You know what I mean? Absolutely.

But I wanted to see that so bad. What was the name of it? Like, you can't be a parent and watch that and not be like, I got to be a better parent or create a better structure for my kids. I say this all the time, EFN. Can we take a shot at the King Richard? Yeah, let's take a shot at the King Richard. God damn it.

King Richard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. King Richard. I say this all the time. I said it the other day in Queensbridge. I said, yo, the first time I actually thought I saw like over extended amount of love was watching Ron Artest and his father train.

Yeah, you talked about this, yeah. And they, I mean, you know, I'm from New York City, so I'm from Leprechaun City. But I used to go to Queensbridge and go visit my friends. And it was too cold for us to even stand outside. And I would see Ron Artest and his father, and he would be throwing a ball at him, throwing it at his chest. And this is snowing.

And he's slipping, and he's picking him up. And at first, my first thought was, this is child abuse. But first of all, excuse me, it was so bad at first, I didn was this is child abuse but first of all excuse me it was so bad at first I didn't even know that was his father I thought because I didn't think that was a father would do that they were brothers and then I realized

I said yo the Slam they go at it all the time these brothers and they're like nah that's Ron's father so he would be out there in the snow like I know for a fact one million percent Ron Artest is 1 million percent in NBA because of his father. I got to see this shit with myself. I'm talking about in the snow. I be sitting there.

It's too cold for me to smell crack. Because I'm out there like that. And these niggas is out there. That was my job. I'm sorry. That was the end of the interview. It just came right out. You can smell crack. I'm saying I sell crack, I'm sorry. It just came right out of him. The smell.

I'm saying a cell crack, I'm sorry. That's me. So I'm out there freezing. I'm out there freezing. This ain't the right shit. Y'all need to go back and cook this. You need to go back and cook this. I'm out there freezing and I'm seeing him

throwing the ball at him and they tell me that's his father. And I was like like so it was no when I went on to you know become it was like damn like that was a the strongest father figure I've ever seen me and it was so strong that I actually like whoa I didn't even accept it I was like I think that was wrong you know and then when Ron went to the. I was like, I think that was wrong. You know that was. And then when Warren went to the NBA, I was like, I knew that shit, bro. I knew it. Listen, they talk about Joe Jackson like that was wrong.

Right. They talk about Matthew Knowles like that was wrong. But guess what came out of it? King Richard, like he was wrong. Like he was crazy. He was doing too much. Hey, Black Dad. Yeah.

Relax. Yes. Relax. No, I'm not going to relax. She told you she was I'm not gonna relax she told you she was gonna win it she told you she was confident she told you why now stop messing with that and look what he made yes you're gonna beat somebody if I got something to do with it you're gonna beat somebody you reward that all reward that. King Richard.

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I've seen you in this industry. We've been both in this industry a long time. A long time. You're always smiling. Yeah. You're always in a good mood. Is that a front or is that really like you really love life like that? I mean, I think you're going to say yes.

I know you're going to say yes. I really... Go ahead. I guess what I'm about to ask is I think you're going to say yes. I know you're going to say yes. I really... Go ahead. I guess what I'm about to ask is, I fell out of love with this music business. Not with the music. Yeah.

The music business. Hmm? Have you ever felt out of love with the music business? Fell out of love with the music business. Were you ever in love

with the music business? Oh, I... The business of it. Yeah. I was in love with all of business. Were you ever in love with the music business? Oh, I... The business of it. Yeah. I was in love with all of it. Okay. From 2000 to...

I signed in 98. 98. 99. 2000. That's the favorite year of my life, 98. They pulled guns out on me, but still,

I was still in love with it. Anyway. Still in love with the music business. I was still in love with it. I got to get in there. Right. And I got in,

and I was in love. And in 2002, I had $1,500 in my account and a man owed me $700,000. Wow. This man is. And he wouldn't give it to me. You have $1,500, he owes you $700,000. $700,000. This calculation is crazy.

I had a wife and a kid. Wouldn't give it to me. Knew he owed me. Wouldn't give it to me. I tried to hurt said man. I'm not a gangster. Not affiliated. I know people.

Yes. But I'm a soldier. You're a man. So for mine, I'm a ride or die for mine. Right. And I adopted that ride or a die for mine. Right. And I adopted that, I tried that. Right.

Which set me on the bench for... And said man did pay? Said man paid a little. I'm not talking about L.A. Reid. No. Said man paid a little, why? By race? Why needed it? No. Went from 700700,000 to $125,000.

Yeah. Needed it. Needed it. Caught me slipping. Fuck this music business. Yeah. That's my point. Fuck this music business.

The more I learned about the business. And I'm watching, first off and I'm watching first off I'm watching the promo guy I'm watching myself do 50 promo shows and I'm watching the head of promo go to the back room and grab cash and you doing it for free on my back fuck this up fuck this, fuck this music game. Yeah, nah, that shit fuck me up. I'm at a house

on Van Alding one day. Walk into a club one day, let me go back. I walk into a club one day and somebody screams, Tank! I look over, it's Jamie Foxx.

I walk over to Jamie Foxx and I'm like, hey man, what's up? He said, man, I've been looking for you, nigga. You the coldest nigga. We got to talk. At this time, I'm having these feelings.

Fuck the music business. I'll go back to the DMV. I'll be the minister of music at somebody's church. Finish my calling to be a preacher. I'll do that. I'm standing in Jamie Foxx's kitchen with him and his sister Deidre and he likes it what's command what we doing like what's going on said I ain't doing nothing I'm about to go home I'm

about to go to church thing move back into my mama house until I can figure my own place out he's not you got the records out. Hit the record. Hit the record. Crazy. He like, you can't go home? I said, where the fuck I can? He said, no you can't. He said, what I'ma do? I said, what you mean? He said, who gonna inspire me?

I look to you. His sister said, ain't no way you going home, nigga. She a thug. D-Dragon playing, you ain't going nowhere, nigga. We gonna fight this. We gonna ride you going home, nigga. She a thug. Right. D-Drink playing, you ain't going nowhere, nigga. Right. We're going to fight this, we're going to ride this shit out,

nigga. Right. And I'm like, well, at this time, I'm kind of homeless. Living in LA. Living in LA.

He's like, what you going to do? He said, this is what you're going to do. You're going to use my studio, and you're going to live in my house until you figure it the fuck out. Wow. Jamie Foxx, a real nigga like until you figure it the fuck out. Wow.

Jamie Foxx a real nigga like that? A thousand percent. Wow. Wow. Look up to Jamie Foxx and Breon. So if, huh? And Breon too. So if Jamie Foxx doesn't say that.

Okay. There's no tank. There is no sex, love, and pain. First two grandmas. Let me no tank. There's there is no sex love and pain What brought me there to say that she was about to quit what was what was that one? I saw people who weren't as good as me making it, right? So the niggas ain't like me they ain't as good as me and you're not a hater. It's not you not a hater Compete for a living yeah, because they nice like me But they at the top of the charts look at being a hater. I just know for a fact. I compete for a living. Niggas ain't nice like me.

But they at the top of the charts. Look at them niggas. I kill them niggas every night on stage. Niggas don't want no work. Like, I'm a 100%er. Like, most people don't know what that is in 2022. I produce it, write it, sing it, perform it by myself. Talk that talk, Ted.

Talk that talk, man. Go ahead, nigga. You got me hyping. I don talk, Taylor. Talk that talk. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, nigga. What's up? You got me hyped. I don't even know. We hyped. We got hyped.

Let's go. I'm a 100%er. They changed publishing rules for two people. Because of R. Kelly and because of Tank. Oh, shit. We can't have you placing 10 songs on one album. We have to create thresholds. We have to create benchmarks.

So at 250,000 records, three songs count. At 500,000 records, three and a half songs count. At a million, all the songs count. But not until then. For you and Rob. Because I was running through them. Give me my back end. And now give me my front end.

I got eight on this one. 100 percenter. Right. But do you let people write for you? Okay. Absolutely. Why is that so accepted in the R&B world? I don't know why it's not.

I think rap is like, here, first of all, I used to rap. Everybody hates when I go into my MC Hurricane. why it's not. I think rap is like here first of all I used to rap everybody hates when I go into my MC hurricane stop it Lulu I'm gonna go to my MC hurricane days. That means you still rap. Let's go Perfect name for this city, MC Hurricane. But I've been telling you, I don't want to hit you with balls. I'm already, I love it. I was MC Hurricane. MC Hurricane. So they used to, when I was a kid, I would go around the hood rapping against the, you know, vice lords and the GDs. And I would, I would, I would.

In D.C.? No, in Milwaukee. In Milwaukee. That's where I was born. Wisconsin, right? Born in Milwaukee. I'm a walkers for us for Wisconsin right one in Milwaukee Okay, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Yeah, Wisconsin. So I used to go around the hood and battle real gangsters with my rap I had a rap all rated are they used to kill everything How did we know? Freestyles horribly on the drink show.

I wanna drink it. I'm gonna do it! It will be, so, you know, where were we going with this? We was about to freestyle. No, I don't think that was it! MC Hurricane about to go in right now! MC Hurricane was coming back outside.

Yo, he about to do the beatbox, let's go, let's go! I'm a rapper first. Wow, really? Then I'm an R&B singer. Wow, wow. That is crazy. Most people don't know that, but I'm not telling everybody.

Okay, you ain't got to tell anybody. I'm not freestyling. Man, let's get out of this. Let's go to the next one. Let's go to the next one. Okay. Why did you call it Maybe I Deserve?

Because... By the way, for years, I called it Baby I Deserve. I was fucked up today when I realized it's Baby. I was like, oh, I've been singing this shit wrong for years. Because you were living in the affirmative. I think you're bigging me up. I'm not sure, but I think you're bigging me up. Just take it as a big up. Yeah, I'm just taking it asging me up. I'm not sure, but I think you bigging me up. Just take it as a big up.

Yeah, I'm just taking it as a big up. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This nigga's having fun. Let's go. Funnest interview ever, my brother. Come on, let's go. Let's go. Funnest interview ever, my brother. Come on, let's go. I read that room as well.

I'm in, though. I'm going to take me another shot. I'm going to go ahead and get me ready. Okay. You're living in the affirmative, right? Which means you're sure that these things should happen. And I was living in the affirmative, right? Which means you're sure that these things should happen. Right. And I was living in the speculative space,

whereas in maybe. Right. Maybe you should do that. I wouldn't advise it. But if so, maybe if it did happen in some way, shape, or form, I could accept it because of all the things that I've done. Maybe leaves a lot of room. Right?

For a man, we need room. We need room to change our minds. We need room to be assholes. We need room. So when she does it, and she says, well you said that you deserve, I said maybe maybe, maybe I deserve. Get your ass out of here.

Because I hadn't decided definitively if I was OK with that. I had thought about it. Hence the maybe. It's getting deep. I like it. I write songs for a living. Maybe is a hell of a word. I'm not giving you permission.

I'm just saying there's a chance I might forgive you. It excuses a lot of people. It excuses. Right. Now, in real life, would I? Because in the song, you're saying that you deserve a seat getting you back. Correct? To wonder who's calling so damn late for

you to say i'm tripping just a homie from upstate don't he know it's one o'clock in the morning you say it's cool maybe it's cool maybe i deserve for you to say he's coming into town for you to say that he wants you and him to hang out i don't like it bars right now i don't like it but i know i gotta trust you it ain cool, but I know it's true. Maybe I deserve for you to go out and find some other guy. Maybe I deserve for you to stay out with him all night. Maybe I deserve for you to do all the things I did to you. Maybe I deserve.

Maybe. For you to put on that sexy dress. For me to ask you Who the hell you trying to impress Bitch For you to laugh it off Like it ain't nothing I'm just putting on some cool shit

What Did you deserve it For me to ask you Where the fuck you been For you to say I better stop tripping. To grab your neck until you let me know. Yeah. That's the part that flew way under the radar.

And I'm so happy you did. I'm so happy it went under the radar. You would have been me too. For you to run crying, crying out the door. To grab my coat and chase you down the street. To say it's not you, it's my own securities. For you to say,

yes, I cheat on you. For me to say, I don't care. After all I put you through, maybe I deserve. Will Smith is listening to this song right now. I couldn't help but think about that song. I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have said that.

Because we're going to fuck me up. Listen, listen, listen. He's got the reach and the size. That's all I keep saying. We need the legend on drink, man. We need the legend on drink. And that's maybe. Maybe you deserve.

Did you deserve it? Maybe. Thank you. Thank you deserve it? Maybe Thank you Thank you I've accepted my fate In a few situations Let me ask you When I'm listening to your songs

I couldn't tell I'm listening like this Nigga been through some shit Yeah Everything is 100% Yeah You're going through it Been through it going through it.

Been through it. Been through it. And once maybe I deserve worked, it led me to believe that everything about my real life will work from this point on. So I never wrote from fantasy or fallacy. I always wrote from fact. And you worked with Beyonce too, right?

No, I worked with Kelly. Okay. Fire. And working with Kelly Rowland? She's dope. You have no idea. Fire. I had no idea.

She's just a great person though. She's dope. One of the best of us. And her husband. One of the best no idea. Yeah. She's just a great person though. She's the, it's one of the best of us. Yes. And her husband, this bigger husband. One of the best of us. Yes.

Him too. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Both of them are just amazing people. I work with Kelly Rowland and I was completely

thrown the fuck off. Right. Because we, we always, Is that how cool she was? We always, no, we always want to give the credit

to Beyonce. Mm-hmm. Who is Beyonce. That's Beyonce, yeah. The greatest of all times, right? We always want to give the credit to Beyonce, who is Beyonce. That's Beyonce, yeah. The greatest of all times, right? We always want to- Notice what you said about Busta Rhymes. You said Busta Rhymes and Swift Star on stage.

That's what you just said. I did, Busta Rhymes is- So that's Beyonce and Kelly Rowland. That's what I'm trying to correlate. I like your correlation. Yes, yes. Kelly Rowland is by far one of the most talented females I've ever worked with in my life. Wow.

By far. Wow. And I'm sitting in the studio like, do y'all hear these harmonies? Do you hear the text? Do you hear her change in dynamic? Are y'all hearing this? What? I never knew.

Wow. Because I gave all the credit to Beyonce. That's how the business of Destiny's Child was set up. Right. To adore Beyonce. And then I finally got in the ring with Kelly Rowland and realized that while Beyoncé's in the booth, there's a Kelly Rowland saying, ooh, try this.

Ooh, and this note is crazy. Ooh, and there's, and we never know. She's amazing. Fire. And I thank her to this day for those two records. Goddamn, you guysdamn make some noise for that I'm keeping it real tank. I just got a shot for no reason. Yeah

Thank a lot. You a real drinker though. Are you kidding? Yeah I don't know what I'm gonna do for the rest of the day. But by the way, by the way, Salou I seen you Let me just tell you how real thing is Maybe you hang out Take your LA It was on the flight. No, it was it as in front what I'm not gonna say cuz I love this hotel I don't want to blow it up Cuz I'm gonna be there

You blow it up, so I see him I'm going to be there. And so if you're not going back, then you blow it up. So I see him. I'm like, yo, super down to earth. And I'm like, yo, Tank, I don't know if you know it. You know I got a show called Dream Champs. And he's like, of course I know, asshole. Why would you say that? I said, Tank, would you do my show?

He said, absolutely. And you kept your word from that minute on. You said, no, but listen, hear me out. It's so beautiful when I see people keep their word. Everything, because you know what's crazy? I'm so used to the fakeness, too. I'm used to a person just seeing me and saying, hey, they just say what they say because it's the time. It's the industry time. Industry talk.

Industry talk. So when I meet a real one, I got to salute you. Like, I got to salute you because you say, what, motherfucker? I pull up on you. I come right to Miami? No problem. And everything you said, you've done. I'm a victim of people not keeping their word.

Me too. So I know how it feels. So you know how it feels. Yeah, yes, yes. Okay. And I never want anybody to feel that way about me. That's beautiful.

I have fallen short. I'm not perfect. Well, of course. I'll miss some deadlines. Absolutely. But if you ever see me and say, nigga, I called you, you were supposed to say,

my apologies. Right. You don't know it's different. I got you. I'll take care of that. Right. That's where I like to live. Right.

So when you say, first of all, when you say drink champs, first of all, I don't think you know what the fuck that means. Wait, wait, wait. First of all. No, I do, brother. And by the way, let me just tell you something. No, no, hold on. Let me finish.

I'm going to let you talk. Okay. We're in this prestigious hotel. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And I shake Noe's hand, and a guy comes walking out with a moving box full of weed.

Oh, yeah. It says, would you like some of this? Right. Where in the fuck do you think I'm gonna put a hand full of weed? Right.

Would you like some? No, no, no. Why do you have a moving box full of butt naked weed? Where are the bags at? Where do I put this? I'm going to take your legend. We've got to treat you with respect. No, I respect it.

I'm just concerned. There was so much weed. I've never seen that There was so much weed. I've never seen that much weed in a box. And you were gracious to offer me some of your weed. I don't smoke. I drink a little. A lot today.

We're going to take a shot today. I'm taking a shot today. Take a shot to a little today. Nah, but I'm going to be honest with you. Talk to me. I'm going to tell you something. You have one of the best souls I've ever seen. Like, I promise you. You know, you say you came out since 98.

You know, we've seen each other. We've always showed each other respect. Yes, sir. You know, but I've never kind of saw you mad. I know you get mad mad Don't get it twisted But other than you and Tyrese Love to Tyrese Is that the only one who gets you mad?

No I was mad when When a guy was holding 700,000 So that's where I But that was in public That's where I went different And I turned into a know, I went different. And I turned into a guy that I didn't, I shouldn't have been. And I suffered because of that.

I sat from 2002 to 2007. Because, you know, I told a guy, listen, before any of those guys you know will get to your house to protect you, I'll get there before them. Now let's work. I've been in that place. But I really love this shit, Nor. You really love the music? I really love making

music. I can tell though. Listen, I was doing this for $150 a week. You're a real nigga. I was doing it for $150 a week and I was happy. I get close to six figures a show.

Off the chain. Are you kidding me? To sing? Yes, sir. I'm having the time of my life. I'm having the time of my life. What you need? No, no, no.

Keep going. You keep blowing that smoke, my wife. I don't know what's happening to me. I don't smoke. Well, you didn't take his smoking and acting right there. I genuinely enjoy R&B music and everybody doing it. I genuinely, even Young Blue. New God. What's he sing again?

With the song with Drake? If I ever. Amen. No, no... Hey, man. No, no, relax, buddy. They say time heals. Because we had a thing online. What happened? I forgot.

Okay. I only Googled the positive part of you. I did not Google the negative part. I appreciate you for that. I thought you were going to get to this in some way. But you got to it, so I'll write you a song. A guy says, I think get to this in some way. But you got to it. A guy says, I think that Young Blue might be the new king of R&B. Well, one record.

Two. Two. Okay, my bad. And I said, I'm so glad I was born in a different generation. Because this generation is wild. In terms of how they throw out accolades. King and queen. Goat.

You can't be going to a goat. Not any disrespect to him. No disrespect to him at all. At all. But do you know what goat and king means? But do you know what goat and king means? Do you know what that means? Do you know what it means to have a guy like Jay-Z? To have a guy like Nas, Drake.

To have a guy, to have people, to have a Chris Brown, Usher, R. Kelly. To have these guys who have... You love throwing R. Kelly in the mix. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. To have guys who have... Let me add another name to that that I have to add. Babyface. You've been skipping Babyface all night.

Let me not skip Babyface because he's the guy who I really want to be. Slash Keith Sweat. We'll get to all of that. I don't think Babyface ever raised his voice. He doesn't have to. I don't think he's ever yelled in his life. He doesn't have to. He's never yelled in his life.

I don't know why. He says, I give good love. I'll cook your dinner too as soon as I get home from work. This motherfucker worked eight hours. That's a bad motherfucker. Came home, fucked the shit out of her. That's right. And then cooked dinner.

That's what he just said. That's what he said. After he got home from work. Eight hour shift. Hard body karate. Who you want to be? He works some more. Who you want to be? I want some more. Who you want to be?

I want to be Big Baby. I want to be Big Baby. So where were we going? We never know. We never know. When you tweeted about it. So anyway, the tweet came out and he felt a way like as if I was disrespecting him. I don't think he realizes that I'm a fan of him.

Because I surely like that song too, Tank. And I only want the younger generation to fight for their space and earn their space versus just throw around titles frivolously.

You can't take King or GOAT. You can't take that. goat you can't take that You have to earn that But I do Understand why he felt that way Because But he didn't say he's the goat

No he didn't say it So I was addressing them But what happened is We're back to that straw breaking the camel's back. And this is what I noticed in some of what he said in his response. What was his response? People have been taking away from his creativity and diminishing his ability to do what he does since he started. It wasn't about me.

I was just the person that came at the right time that to where he... I was Chris Rock. Did we go there? I mean... I was Chris Rock. I see parallels. I was...

My voice was too much at that time. Had it been anybody else but Chris Rock, I don't think Will would have walked on that stage. But it's Chris Rock. It's too big. It's too powerful. I have to address this. So I understand why Young Blue had to address it the way he did.

And I even text him before he even tweeted anything. I said, bro, it's not what you think it is. I rock with you. And he still made some more posts, which I think was probably encouraged by some other people because he's a good kid. He's not a bad kid at all. So what actually happened? This was over my head. I just didn't want, I don't like, me and Jacquees went through this.

Who's my brother? My little brother. And I love Jacquees went through this. Who's my brother, my little brother. And I love Jacquees. Yeah. He's the king of R&B too. I love Jacquees. He can say whatever he want to say. And I'm going to support him.

Right. Period. I don't care what he say. That's my little nigga. Right. Right? And somebody was calling, somebody else was saying he's the king or he's the, I said, you are not the king.

You ain't put enough work yet. How do you pass Chris Brown just all of a sudden? Because, and he said, it's this generation. It's not a generational thing. I think he's right. Let me just tell you why. What this generation calls goat and king is totally different. You got to say what you're saying right, though.

What's right about that? No, that's not right. You said it's right. But I can see they point. I can see they, you know what I'm saying? I can see them saying he is the most revered in that space at the moment. Because you know what I think?

Because everything nowadays is at the moment. It's at the moment. In the social media era that we live in. But guess where we come from? We come from decades. Test of time. Yes we come from we come from 10k. Yes Pain dues It's different now and me and the doc Jacquees is mom. That's my family I know his mom that this family like so we talked it up. We were able to talk it out and like

Beautiful. I love you, brother. Beautiful and we mean young blue taking a shot today. I feel like We just you know, I feel like it's a shot to that. That's Delion, goddammit. We just, you know, I just take shots. I'm going to do a little shot with you. Yeah, yeah, come on, let's go, let's go. Let's go. Chi-Chi, get the ear. Yes.

So R&B niggas not having meat. So me and Young Blue haven't been able to talk that out yet, which I hope to do. Yeah, your R&B niggas got to stop. But no, no. He just won an award for best hip-hop. New artist. Wow. Which validates my point. Get that out

now. What was your point? He's not the new king of R&B. Jesus. This took a crazy turn. He's not the new king of R&B. I love him. I love his work. I buy his work, which even goes even further.

So you feel like he's more of a rapper? I feel like he's a hybrid. He's the evolution. Where Drake is. Yes. Because Drake is a hybrid. No, he's not Drake. No, I think Drake could do both very well.

Drake is different. Drake can rap and sing. Yeah. He's the hybrid. He's the new evolution of everything that we've done. And there is no category for him. There's no category at the Grammys or at the Soul Train or at the BET. They haven't created the category that speaks to what he and so many of these new artists do.

Rap and sing. They do everything. They're a ringer. So while I'm celebrating him, which he doesn't realize, because he's catching so much flack from whatever side, my straw was the straw that broke the camel's back, and he felt the need to come at me. So you feel like,

because a lot of the times in hip-hop, we go through this a lot. First of all, can I say I'm so happy to be here? Yes, thank you for being here. I appreciate you being here. Did I say that? But in hip-hop, there's so many stories of OGs not really accepting the young people. Are you thinking, is that the way it came off?

I hit him. Here's how it started. Okay. First, we connected slightly. And then we're at our R&B money run, which my bro Jay runs. Come on, buddy. And he comes over to me and said, OG, let's get something. Let's get something, nigga, me and you.

Young Blue? Okay. And so I said, nigga, I got the perfect record. And I'm like, he said, send it to me. I sent it to him. And I'm like, what you think? Because I'm open for criticism. If you ain't fucking with it, I sent Drake three records before he said, that's the one.

Right. Right? If you ain't fucking with it, I got tough skin. Tell me, that ain't the one. I love your flossing game, too, by the way. Keep going. Am I flossing? Yeah, I love it.

Keep going. Keep going. I love it. It's so fantastic. Go ahead. Because it's nonchalant, but it's still floss. I love it. Go ahead.

Keep going. So at any point, he could have said, oh, gee, that's not the one. Send me something else. To Young Blue? To Young Blue. OK. He never did that. OK.

I hit him again. Talk to me, baby. Nothing. Wow. At this point again. Talk to me, baby. Nothing. Wow. At this point, I'm like, got it. And I text him back. I'm like, listen, bro, in this business, you got two things, your gift and your word. Honor both.

At any point, you can tell me, oh, gee, I ain't feeling it, or I ain't even fucking with you right now. Give me a second good luck I can take all of that but the radio silence that's the Hollywood shit right

which I'm like don't do that and we all been through that very and I'm telling him not to do that because I just know what it is

and you being the elder artist you know exactly I know exactly what that means. You know what that means. And I'm telling him, with me, you don't have to do that. I said, but in the future, just make your word your bond. If you fucking with Stu, and if not, say so. Your word is your bond.

That's going to get you so far in this business. That's how I keep my word for as long as my life's a challenge. And so that was my only message to him. Not that I'm mad at you for not getting on my record, because what people, again, don't understand is that I don't need people on my record. I'm a 100%er. My last two number ones were me, 100%, written, produced, sang. It's me.

All to the bank. It's me. I don't need anybody, but I love collaborating. It's me. All to the bank. It's me. I don't need anybody, but I love collaborating. That's fire. I love going to Chris Brown's studio and hearing a hundred songs in a row and being like,

this nigga is cold. He's cold. Shit. I got to get there. I love that. But the respect from elder to the new generation there there is a divide and we got to figure out how to fix that because I only want what's best for the new generation you know I'm saying whether it be money long whether it be Money Long, whether it be whoever it is,

whether it be Jacquees, there's power in numbers. I understand you want to go out on tour by yourself and build your heart ticket. You know, build your heart. But the screen draw was very necessary. I'm saying it's necessary.

Necessary. Five, six R&B acts on one tour? Yes. It's necessary. Necessary. Five, six R&B acts on one tour? Yes. It's necessary. Of course I'm going to close. Right. I'm 22 years in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If you want to close, I'll let you. I'll let you try it for a night. But it's going to be heavy. Once I take these clothes off, it's going to get different. Right. But I'm always preaching numbers because that's how you guys did it. You guys did it with numbers. Because guess what you would do?

You would get in a room. You would smoke that fucking weed. Yes, it's legal. I got a medical card on me. You have a medical card? Yes. You would smoke that medicinal weed. I like that.

You would drink that liquor. That's facts. And you would come to an agreement. Yes. We don't have weed and liquor in common. R&B guys only have women in common and we're always trying to be one up. So let me ask you, how long you been married? Three years. Three years. One on four. Okay. So I'm not talking about this. You can talk. Whatever you want. I'm talking about when you used to hoe.

Okay. Let him talk. Let him talk. Because I need to imagine the difference between R&B Buzzy. Buzzy or pussy? He know what that means. Pussy in the bus is Buzzy. He said P. It's a P.

You heard him. Because, dang, I could just imagine how the T.O.R.S. was. When you were single, obviously, because we weren't on Spec Wife. I got my wing on. You got your ring on. We both outside. But we had lives before. when you were single, obviously, because we were on a spec wife. I got my wing on. You got your ring on. We both outside. But we had lives before.

The life. Absolutely. That we love right now. Because this is the life we love. We want to be married. I'm staying married. I want to stay married. You staying married? I'm not giving her half of anything.

Let's get this. Holy shit. I don't know how to take that. That was hard. Just slide that in there. She get half. I ain't no prenup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She get assed. I ain't no prenup. She get assed.

Stop, nigga. Me and you would clearly do it. But when you were before you met her, I don't know how it feels to have the number one R&B record and be outside finger popping every day. How was it?

Everything. He said everything. I was a rapper. It's different. We had gangsta bitches coming to my concert. Let me give you that. He had a finger massager. To match the Tim lens.

Like, wait a minute. I don't need this. And a vibrator on my middle finger. He had masseuses for his fingers. It's been a hard day. Let me help you. Yes. Yes, okay.

I'm just going to do me a shot. I'm going to get my... Get your light together, guys. This shot's going to... I need to hear this thing. Because I need to know. R&B is different. Y'all different.

Before I get to a city, I'll equate it to now. I'll do the numbers for now. There are three to five, there's three to five thousand women who are preparing themselves for Tank to come in town. They got the wave caps.

Maybe. Dax grease. Maybe. They know when they're getting their nails done. They know when they're getting their hair done. The outfit has been purchased. The nails have been manicured and pedicured. The monkey has been either, is either hairless.

Shaved. Or has a landing strip. Landing strip. Not because I'm going to get to him. Just because I'm in town. It's the preparation for it all. They could get lucky with anybody. Don't got to be me.

But R&B dictates that at some point, you're going to get touched up. I'm trying to hold back my clap. Now, imagine that all of that energy is really for me. I can pick, choose, and decide as I desire. Everybody else can deal with the rest.

But a woman is hoping. She's been waiting two, three months. I love the Arsenio Hall thing. It's right here. Waiting and hoping to be chosen. Because it only works if they choose.

You know that, right? That's some real pimp shit right here. We can talk all the shit we want until a woman says it is so it don't happen. Are we taking a shot to that real quick? But keep going. You're preaching this game. It's crazy.

I love this shit. Go ahead, keep going. That is what I walk into. Every night. I walk into a woman being the best she can be on that particular night. Just because I'm in town. How do you not partake? And she chose you.

She chose you. Be clear. I come from the house of Genuine, who, first of all, was the ultimate light skin. Whoa. And he had good hair. You ain't going to beat him on stage. And you can't beat him up in real life.

Because he will beat your motherfucking ass. For some reason, I think Genuine know how to fight. Genuine watches boxing from sunup to sundown. I always knew Genuine know how to fight. Genuine will beat your motherfucking ass. If you think it's sweet. Right. Right now.

Right. That's who I learned from. So I don't want, I don't want every woman in my days. I wanted the right one. I, ooh, discernment is a gift, right? You don't gotta have every watch you just gotta have the right watch right watch I don't want every it's not even my thing I've had threesomes foursomes five some talk that R&B shit got it that ain't that R&B shit he would have kept going That doesn't I don't care about that

What I care about Is taking the motherfucker apart And putting them back together again That's what I'm Different R&B R&B money R&B money

I think you got a fan right now R&B. R&B money. R&B money. I think you got a fan right now. Now, let me tell you something. We, before we interview anybody, we listen to their music. And we was in here, and let me just tell you something. This is the sexiest we ever felt. We in here listening this is let me just say something this is the sexiest we ever felt what are you doing it for you got your kids you got either your wife or a few baby mamas that you got to make sure that the bill is. Yeah. But what are you doing it for? So that a nigga will see you in the street and say,

my nigga. Or so that a woman will see you in the street and say, oh my God, that is him. Which one makes you feel like you are the man that you are? The way I am. I'm going to take a shot. Because you know what? Because you know what?

Tank, let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. Because I can one million percent tell you that me and you have probably the exact opposite fans. You got a couple. Of course. have probably the exact opposite fans. You got a couple. There's a couple, of course we got. But for the most part, because what I'm saying is, I can tell niggas come up to you and say, nigga, I made a baby to you.

Yes. Niggas come up to me and be like, I went to jail to get shit. Terrible. It's fine. But, you're my friend. I take a pee-pee to that.

Where you going? I take a pee-pee. Okay, yeah. I don't have to pee to it, I'm not leaving. Yeah, that's right. That's right, come on. That's right, dang.

But that's real shit. I've always wanted to have those fans, by the way. People say, nigga, I made a baby to your shit. It's a choice. Yes. You are a product of your environment. Yes. I'm fucked up.

You're a product of your environment. I'm a product of my environment. Raised by my great-grandmother, grandmother, mother, in the church. Strong black woman. Respect women. Open the door. Say thank you. I'm sorry.

That's why I was raised. I'm out there trying to be a gangster disciple and they're like, we're not going to let you do none of this shit because your grandmama going to kill us. I got a pitchfork carved in my arm as we speak. That's the disciples sign? Trying to be it. All of it.

I want it. Man, you better go home. Your grandmama, man, we'll play. My great grandfather sat on the porch, Paul Lewis, with a shotgun. Them gangsters would talk at the shrubbery before my house. He'd stand up on them. They stopped talking They go the other way

When they got At the end of the shrubbery Of our block They start talking again He sit down Put the shotgun down Alright It's real

We not fucking with you Uh Lil Durrell You not gonna be no gangster disciple You not Nah Paul Lewis gonna kill us If we bring you into this Lil Durrell You're not gonna be No gangster disciple You're not Nah Paul Lewis gonna kill us If we bring you into this

I love our generation That's where I'm from I love our generation We protect like We're from Listen I love I love the stories like that I was there

I love that Listen If there was a shotgun Pointed at me In fifth grade That's him right there. Get him. What?

I said, I'm not him. What? I promise I'm not him. What? That's him. Nigga, no. Nigga, that's not him. Nigga, I'm telling you.

That ain't sexy. Mm-mm. If that's your life, if that's where you come from, I respect it. You got to fight your way out of it. What I was trying to say, sorry to cut you off, is I love that generation that you're talking about. It's because we protected our talents. When we've seen somebody that's going to make it somewhere, Kenny Anderson, I'm from Left Back City. Kenny Anderson's fromfrak City, and I remember all the drug dealers coming together and chipping in to make sure Kenny Anderson

never had to sell a drug, never had to do anything. So he was going through college, and people thought that the NBA was hitting them off, but it was all my prizes. It was all people from my hood. It was just making sure that, you want to roll that scale, go have this, go have that, go have that.

And that's this generation that you just... Had I stayed there, I would have turned into a guy. Right. Inevitable. Two cousins, dead from murder. First cousin,

he beat death row, don't know how he did it. He home. God bless him. God bless him. Love him. Family, they're worthy. The guys. We understand. Family, like own bracelets, five years, two years, three years. It's family. I would have had no choice. That's what I'm supposed to be. I'm going to overachieve.

I win. We said that. I win. Yes. Father said to my mother, I love you. I want my family back. I'm stationed in Maryland. I need you. Took me out of that

today So your father your mother broke up and then your pops a we not put it like that I Need that I need you. I need them So why if my pops don't man up? I'm in the penitentiary or dead. My pops said, nah, I need that. And then that's when y'all moved to DC? Maryland.

Okay, Maryland. Stationed on Andrews Air Force Base. Ooh. And he gave me the whooping of my life, the beating of my life. What happened? That changed my life. What did you do? Seventh grade, we go to the principal's office for the, I don't know,

tenth time? Maybe more. She says, if you take him home, I'll pass him. Just never bring him back. Wow. Don't ever bring him back. Wow.

Don't ever bring him back here. I'll pass him. I was that guy. God will ask you what you did. Everything. So the teacher. I'll whoop his ass. Teacher made a deal with your father.

Take him home. Yes. Never bring him back. And I'll pass him. And I'll pass him. What grade are we talking? Seven. Seven grade. That's a grade I dropped out of.

I was an animal. If they won't do it, I'll do it. Them niggas scared. I'll do it. Punch the teacher. Them niggas scared. I'll punch that nigga. How are you making love music right now, sir?

You killed that. How far? You killed that. Continue that. Continue that. That's why you're making love music. Take him home, never bring him back. My father looked at me and said, cool, I got him. Got the beating of my life. He brought you home? Yeah. He brought me home. What's what I need to understand?

Was it an extension cord? Extension. Or was it the switch? Extension. Or was it the switch? Extension cord. You know I know black beads. You know black beads.

Yes. Extension cord. Back. I'm familiar. Ass, thighs. Right. Yeah, we got welts everywhere right right right

and that next year not I didn't get detention once and then the year after that I found God god damn that makes no sense

you never had to worry about that again I just see my moms this weekend and my mother said I was the only child that she didn't be you yes I was on this is my friend why he know something why is he coming about you felt it though you felt it you felt it it. He knows some shit about you. Yo! Everyone laughing.

Everyone know this nigga's a woman. But I said, it was either. When she said, it was either you tricked me too much, baby. This is my mother, by the way. Or, you know, you would ask Swift. Then my sister comes out and says exactly what he said. You should have been catching on. He was foul, this motherfucker.

But this is a famous story about me in my hood. How I jumped off the fifth floor. What? The police came, right? And so my sister tells the story. By the way, I've never told the story because I don't really think people care, right? I got this, I got this.

So yeah, so... My sister says the story. Listen, Nori jumped off the fifth floor cause the police was coming for him so I'm like alright cool

we laughing whatever we filming then we come out and this is this is my only extortionist ever in life

is this lady named Rochelle extortionist yes she extorts me every time she sees me. Got it. I don't want to say why. It's fine.

It's fine. But, um. I'm real with you. Every time I see her, I get 100, 200. It's just whatever. And then she sees me and we're filming and we're filming. And she goes, all that gangster rap shit he be talking about i bet you i don't know about when he jumped off the fourth floor

like the people who is sitting there filming like yo this story is legend so i say that to say i'm a motherfucking legend, man. Fuck that. That's all we need. Yo, let me ask you. I want to always ask you, what is your relationship with you and Jaheim? Jaheim? Yeah. I don't really have a relationship with Jaheim.

I remember walking in. I remember we were doing a ski resort trip, me and him with Headliners. Wait, y'all in the ski resort? Ski resort. And he was going after me. Was it Colorado? No. Oh, yeah. Upper New York.

Okay, oh, okay. And he was going after me, which I didn't think was the right. But I was like, you know what? You're shooting over us. Here's what it is. I'm going to kick his ass. Right? I did not know.

I'm a killer. I did not know he was going to go there. I'm a killer. Right? I did not know I'm a killer I did not know he was gonna go there I'm a killer right so I come back from the ski resort which is an hour and a half away we went and ate

at Applebee's on the way back all that and we get back and Jaheim is in the lobby in show gear and

he's just performing and I was like oh shit you want away niggas he's like now I'm gonna let you had a champ I say what do you say I feel it tonight you know I'm saying but let you do your thing baby you don't say like it's all good I said said, what do you mean? You're not going? No, no, I'm good. I'm good. I ain't got time for that tonight.

He was the first guy I ever seen say, I don't feel like performing tonight. Good luck. It feels like you're saying you felt like he don't feel like performing with you. Nope. Wasn't about me.

Wasn't about you. Wasn't about me. Wasn't about nobody. All right. Jaheim literally marched to the beat of his own drum. If I don't feel like performing tonight, I'm not going to perform.

Period. That's got to be a business mess. No, it's just, it's here. But you're not saying he was threatened by you. No.

I feel like, I'm going to be honest, I feel like you're saying that, but you're not saying that. No, he's not saying that. He's not saying that. Here's what I'll say about that part.

Most niggas are threatened by me. Because that's, you said that earlier. That's a fact. Yes. Niggas don't want to that part. Most niggas are threatened by me. Because you said that earlier. That's a fact. Yes. Niggas don't want to perform after you. Niggas don't want this work. They don't want to do no verses. I got work.

Okay. Because I don't just sing it. I write it and produce it. Well, honey. My shit is over 60 million. Out. In the streets. But he's not a guy that was concerned about that.

He was a guy that was like, I'm going to do what the fuck I want to do when the fuck I want to do it. He was the first guy I'd ever seen like that in R&B. Right. That said,

I'm going to do what the fuck I want to do. That's what made, quietly, is what made me want to do it. I told my manager, I said, then that won't kill us.

Right, right. If it's right, we'll, then that won't kill us. Right, right. If it's right, we'll go. If it's not right, we won't. I asked Twitter. Tank. Who was he against on versus? Nobody.

You're asking the wrong question. I did. You're asking, ¿Quién puede hacer lo que yo estoy haciendo? ¿Quién puede? You should have asked it in Spanish, man. There we go. Who can do what the fuck I do?

¿Quién puede hacer? Enrique Iglesias. Who can write it, produce it, sing it, and go number one? With nobody else in charge. ¿Quién puede escribirlo, producirlo, cantarlo y ir a número uno? Con nadie más en cargo. Nadie más produciendo, nadie más escribiendo, nadie más haciendo nada. ¿Quién más? Número uno. Alguien.

¿Quién tienes? Solo quiero que sig going, sir. Yo es el. Yo es el. Porque puedes producir. Escribe. Cantar. I'm that guy.

I can do it all. I can walk into a studio by myself and walk out with an album. And in Spanish. English and in Spanish, by myself, and go number one. So it's not, the question is who's better than me? Who do you know that can do that? Only one guy that was close.

He's locked up. R. Kelly. They got to jump me to beat me. They need the best producer. They need the best writers. They need the best choreographers to jump me by my motherfucking self. Who? Name one.

I'm taking a shot. No. Put the liquor down. Stop it. Who? Name one. I'm taking a shot. No. Put the liquor down. Stop it. Who? No. Name one. Drain, we need you, bro. You was talking that shit too earlier.

Nobody. Name a guy who's going to produce it, write it, sing it, go number one by himself. Name one. Then ask me who the king is. Don't ask me that.

Because don't nobody do what I do. Can I clap for that? Yeah, go ahead. I was not actually. Because don't nobody do what I do. Can I clap for that? Yeah, go ahead. I've been holding this clap back for so long. Now you're going to start singing until you look like you're in San Diego. So, so, so. Estoy haciendo este ahora.

Estoy number uno ahora. Right now. Oh shit. He's Spanish. Wow, he's a Spanish guy. Not in person. Ahora. Right now. Right now. So Jaheem. Nothing past it I order Right now

Right now So Jaheim You bust out of management right now You got it So you're not battling Jaheim I'm not battling nobody Only man Do we gotta break

Only man R. Kelly out of jail Only God Maybe he can do it from there Listen I'll tell you honestly I can't beat R. Kelly out of jail. Only guy. You can do versus. Maybe you can do it from there. Listen, I'll tell you honestly, I can't beat R. Kelly in the versus. Okay. That's hard. I can't.

So who you want? Who you want? Like if Swiss. There's nobody. I can't beat R. Kelly in the versus. He is R. Kelly. I can't beat him in the versus. In terms of who I am, there's nobody who does what I do.

There's no producer, songwriter, singer who does what I do. There's nobody. Like, let's say Usher. Usher's a product of Jermaine Dupri. Confessions is his story. It's not Usher's story. It's his story. It's Jermaine Dupri's story?

It's B. Cox at the helm Brian Cox producing at the helm they gotta jump me it's it's writers at the top of their game there it's four people against me right so what about just song for song? Never mind everything else. No, fuck song for song. So you want to go with the abs? Song for song, it's five niggas on a song versus me. By myself.

So it's you against you on verses. Let's go. Tyrese don't write or produce. He not me. I write for Genuine. He not me. He's my mentor. He's not me I write for genuine he not me he's my mentor he's not me who's me listen produce shit. What did you say? Dream don't produce?

Nothing. I thought dream was just a mother. Nothing. I'm here. Right. From start to finish. The kick, the snare, whatever the pad is, whatever the melody line, that's me. I'm him.

You got your shot ready cuz there's only one guy That's gonna take it cuz there's only one guy cuz you pop a wild shit You gotta take it on don't count He's in jail Okay, they could come close what he came to me and said nigga I need to learn that shit you doing and you and your manager beat him in ball when y'all wanted to

beat his ass me and J Valentine beat his ass he never wanted to give him the games but let's not get it twisted R. Kelly is the king of R&B He never wanted to give him the games. But let's not get it twisted. R. Kelly is the king of R&B. Let's not get this shit twisted.

Let this be a headline. R. Kelly is the king of R&B, whether you like it or not. I'm not condoning anything that he might have done outside of the realm of legalities. He was peeing on bitches like a motherfucker. Who has believed I can fly? You stop it. Nah, brother. I can't believe I can fly. Who has believed I can fly?

Did you say I can believe I can pee? I thought I could fly. No, no, no, no. I said I can believe I can fly. Who has believe I can fly? Did you say I can believe I can pee? I thought I could fly. No, no, no, no. I said I can believe I can fly. Who has down low? Who has fiesta? Fiesta. With Jay-Z, the GOAT.

Yes. You got to join some Biggie. I don't care what you say. Biggie's for us, too. We will always be chasing the ghosts of R. Kelly. I don't care how great I feel like I am I know I am R. Kelly said

Nigga you got that falsetto I don't know how you do that You gotta teach me that shit I respect it I'm not him yet I'm not him yet I'm not I have a problem in being that

Musically Let's be very clear. Musically, I am not him yet. We don't want to become him ever. I'm not him. All right, yeah, okay. You know. Fortunate that Maxwell sang to Sir Kelly.

He wasn't going to give that record away. They said, in order to make do on your deal, you got to give that to Maxwell. Let him, let him. Fortunate. Fortunate to have you, girl. I'm so proud. I heard it.

I don't know what the fuck that is. Bro, shut up, Tank. I love it. That's R. Kelly. That was awesome. Life, life. That's my jam. Life, life.

Life, life. Life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, life, You fucking kidding me? I got a million miles to go before I beat him. He's the bar. Okay, none of these other niggas fuck with me. He's the bar. Okay. How many people do you think is right in R. Kelly in jail right now? Like, from R&B people? A bunch.

Yeah? A bunch. So no one really cut him off in your world? I separated myself because he wasn't a friend of mine, be honest. And once you beat him in ball, he didn't like you. He didn't like you. He established that earlier. He wasn't a friend of mine. And manager.

Manager wanted to beat him every time. Every time. Let's be clear. I wanted him to be a friend of mine. At that time, at that time. Because R. Kelly was R. Kelly. Right. And R. Let's be clear. I wanted him to be a friend of mine. At that time. At that time. Because R. Kelly was R. Kelly.

Right. He really was a nice guy. He was the top of the food chain. So he was like anything beneath me is beneath me. He really wasn't

a nice guy. So he didn't fuck with me. Okay. But he fucked with me. Wow. He fucked with me because he knew what I was.

Right. But I'm not going to give it to you nigga. You got to earn it nigga. Mm-hmm. Old nigga. Mm-hmm. It's old school. Mm-hmm. Wasn't that guy.

And I respect him for it because I didn't want it given to me. Mm. I wanted to earn it. Was it earned? Of course. We all do. I wanted to beat you, nigga. Mm-hmm.

Mm. I didn't get a chance to beat R. Kelly. Fans call me King. Fans call me all sorts of names. I didn't get a chance to beat R. Kelly. Fans call me King. Fans call me all sorts of names. I didn't get to beat the guy. I didn't get to beat R. Kelly. He beat a lot of shit right now. I didn't get to beat him.

He's the guy. None of these niggas R. Kelly. Right, no. R. Kelly was the headline of the arena tour. It was him. I didn't get to beat him. So I can't assume a title. I'm the general of R&B.

That's the title I was given. I'm in the field. On Wikipedia, your nickname says the given. I'm in the field. On Wikipedia, your nickname says the general. I'm in the field. While others sit on their thrones and watch people do battle. I'm in the field. But by the way, there's very few people

who worked with Aaliyah and R. Kelly. Listen. I'll say this. Aaliyah gave me all the confidence I needed to step into this thing called R&B. Mm. Because before that, I was just a church kid singing church music. And that won't be a church kid.

Mm. And that won't be a church kid. No that's what I'm being a church kid. No, nothing wrong with it, but I wasn't ready. You were green at the time. I was green. Aaliyah told me, you're ready. You're ready for this shit. And

like, nothing valid. I'm getting my shot ready. Nothing validates you more than a woman. When Aliyah says you're that guy. That makes all the difference in the world. Nothing trumps that. And when she said that to me, I took it. And I ran with it.

Said, Leah said it. So can none of y'all fuck with me. Okay, what none of y'all fuck with me. I don't care what none of y'all say. Aaliyah said I'm him. Well, fuck what you say. I'm him because Aaliyah said so. And Genuine gave me, he gave me the,

he gave me the battery. That's my brother. Well, you are him. Let's just be clear. You are him, brother. He gave me the He gave me the battery He gave me the battery Shout-out to genuine. Yes. Shout out the Tyrese. Yeah, well vocal battle in 98 Rest in peace to Aliyah Yeah vocal battle you and Tyrese? When Aaliyah said, you him?

Yeah. You know you him. You are him. You him. You that guy. Tyrese tried to battle me in his early days, 98.

Said, nigga, you not me. I'm him. Right. Kicked his ass. How does a vocal battle go? Run for run. So what are you like?

It's not that. It's not that. It's not that. It's not what he just did. I promise you it's not what he just did. Time is to tell you we went run for run. On an EOL, Elements of Life, video shoot. We went note for note.

And I said, this is why I'm different. And he said, ooh. And that's when he became my friend. Aaliyah said, you're different. I got you. This is what you should be. And everything she said I should be, that's what I became.

That's fire bro. Nothing less. We don't have Aaliyah stories. That's fire. I become nothing less than what Aaliyah said I should be. And Genuine is sitting at his house rich with bags of money saying, that's my son. I told him he was going to be that.

That's fire. That's what the fuck I am. So when these niggas start talking about King and all this other shit they're talking about, I'm 22 years in. I'm number one right now. Come see me. Clap, nigga. I love this.

You know why I love this? I'm going to tell you why I love this. Because you giving us all you. This is one million percent you and I watched the interviews

on the breakfast club I watched it and I was so happy to meet you I mean to see you that day not to meet you that day to me and you

but when I and then for you to bring your whole energy into fruition like I said there's rappers who lie to me

and say nigga and I call them I'm good you know but you kept your word from the minute we seen each other again reconnected and I know for one million percent you're a real person today of and I just want to salute that I just want to salute that. I just want to give you your flowers. But I also want, before you say something, but I also want one thing to tell you. Tank, you a whole legend out here, my nigga.

Niggas like, I, cause, just a tiny bit of what I hear is sometimes you still fighting for something that's already given to you. We all respect you. We all salute you. We all know, like, you that guy. We all know that. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, what's crazy about us is the more money we get, you know, whatever, and sometimes we try to fight for something that's already ours. You're right. You know what I'm saying? I had to fight for something that's already ours. You right. You know what I'm saying? I had to learn that.

I had to learn that. Is, you know, so many people keep, every time I go on Twitter, they be like, we want people to interview you and EFN because y'all give out flowers,

but it's y'all turn to get the flowers. And my response is, uh-uh. When we give out the flowers, that is our flowers too. You know what give up the flowers that is our flowers too you know i'm saying that that's our flowers too and i just want you to know tank your music is endless i've studied you know you i consider you my friend, but I studied you because I wanted to be like, and what I said is like, damn, this is probably the last R&B real person

left. That'd be it. And everything about the way you transition your music, the way you put it together, the way everything is exact. I used to buy tapes called slow jams kick and pre oh my god you said you kick free used to make these these tapes called slow jams and I would go and that would be my you know that would be my way to try to get a girl I'm playing the slow jams. And me just listening to your joints,

I'm like, damn, this is just, this is real music. This is real music. You make real music. We love you. We respect you. We honor you. And it's a case you've never knew.

The shit that you do matters. And we motherfuckers respect that motherfucker. It matters, bro. I've been studying you for, since I seen you in LA and I was just like, I've been, I was like, damn, there is still people making real music, real music. That's real music. Feelings. You feel it in your feelings. And I gotta give those people power. Yes. I'm gonna take a shot. I gotta use my moment. As I am number one,

it's not just about me. How do I empower the next artist to be number one? On R&B radio? How? That's the point. You wanna take a shot? I gotta go to the bathroom, but... Let's go to the bathroom, man.

Take a shot, then we go to the bathroom. Let's do it. Let's go. Let's do shot, bathroom, then shot. And then we're going to take some pictures. Listen, let me just tell you something. I'm sorry. I don't want to prolong this shot,

but I also want to give you flowers. I really appreciate you coming here. I really appreciate you coming here I really appreciate you you know sharing your story you know being real vulnerable

humble cocky all in the same in the same token like it's all in the same token putting it all on the table but

thank you so much for being the real you cause you could've came here and did and did you know and by the way you drinking that whole deli on body we gonna get you a, and by the way, you're drinking that whole Deleon bottle.

We're going to get you a deal. We're going to get you a deal. We're going to get you a deal. By myself. Deleon. Deleon. Why? Use the bathroom.

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