Drink Champs - Episode 318- “The War Report 25 Year Anniversary”

Episode Date: June 17, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we celebrate the 25th Anniversary of the legendary album “The War Report” by Capone-N-Noreaga.  In this episode, CNN is joined by the power players that were part of the creation of their debut album “The War Report”. On this 25th Anniversary episode, we are joined by Tragedy Khadafi, Neil Levine, Geno Sims, Marty Most, Gregory Taylor, & the one and only Busta Rhymes. Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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together they drink it up with some of the biggest players you know what i mean in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts where every day is new year's eve it's time for drink champs drink up Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hope you're doing well. This is your boy N.O.R.E. What up? It's DJ E.F.N.

And this is Minnesota's Drink Champs. We're here to give you a radio make some noise. And this, I would like to say, is I guess, not I guess, I'm sure, quite possibly, this is one of the specialist episodes. I know specialist is not a word. It's a word here.

Not the way I used it. That's all that matters. Where we dissect and deteriorate and put together and take apart and put together an album. An album that, in a lot of ways, you know, I wouldn't be here. A lot of people sitting at this table wouldn't be here. This show probably wouldn't exist. That legal marijuana that's standing in front of you might not exist. You know, a bunch of these Beautiful things

That we got going on Witness this For this album But putting this album together What a lot of people don't know Was it was a lot of kinks It was a lot of things Behind the scenes

A lot of things In front of the scenes So when I thought about it I said wow We're coming up on 25 I wanted to invite people not only the artists because a lot of times

when something is great people always credit the artists and they don't understand the people that's behind who's helping booking these sessions who's calling these producers

who's putting together who's cutting the check pick up Edward Holmes I don't know why I just thought of him I don't know why I just thought of him I think of an accountant I'm a foul guy I don't know why I just thought of him. Edward Holmes, man. I don't know why I just thought of him. I think of an accountant.

I'm a foul guy. I don't know why. It just crossed me. But, you know, everyone, you know, marketing to retail, you don't know how good this is until you don't have it. Right.

You know, I can remember working in this record label that I'm about to, you know, introduce, and it was like 12 workers. And I remember getting things done. I remember going to a label after that with 3,000 workers and the marketing department

would book me to the same tell as the retail department and then the radio department would book me the same time. And I was like, don't you motherfuckers communicate? And I realized, no, they don't. So being on this little boutique label meant something

so in case you don't know what I'm doing right now what we're doing is we're not only introducing the war report the people who signed it the people who put it together the people who you know was there when the group first got formed and the people who did it but we're going to show some love to that album.

So in case you don't know who we're talking about right now, to my right, to my left, we got Mayhem, motherfucking, in the building. Make some noise for Mayhem. Mayhem, Greg Taylor. Greg Taylor, Mayhem, goddammit. Martin, motherfucking Moore. Make some noise.

We got the motherfucking guy that put it all together and made it all happen, Neil motherfucking Levine. Then we got Geno Sims, I think was like the intern. He was like the real nigga at the front desk and shit.

You know what I'm saying? He was from NASA, the big one. Make some noise for Geno, motherfucking. And then... The afro. That's why I recognize the afro.

And then even before me and Pone actually got together, there was one guy who knew Capone, and there was one guy who knew Norrie. And on that level, put it all together. In case you don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about tragedy. Motherfucker, good job. And last but not least,

God did, we shared a lot of marijuana in jail. We smoked Bible papers together. I'm not proud of this. It's just something that happened. And now we are home together. I'm not proud of this. It's just something that happened. And now we are home together. I just had a daughter graduate college. Congratulations.

You know what I'm saying? In case you don't know, Capone and Noriega is in the building. Now Capone, I'm going to obviously start with you. What's up, baby? Because there's been these famous stories of how we met and what we met. Because really, really, what was our first plans when we first met each other in jail? Well, our really first plans was basketball.

Like, it was basically like, yo, how can I get you to my side of my jail to play basketball with me? Because you nice, but your side of the jail don't got no players, but y'all won the championship

because you was on the team. And big up Sherman the Worm, too. Big up Sherman the Worm. Big up Sherman the Worm. Big up Sherman the Worm. Big up Sherman the Worm. He played, like, it was an intricate past. No, you remind me, you remind me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Okay. Maldonado. Let's give it up for Carlos Maldonado. Damn. Carlos Maldonado. If it wasn't for them two, we wouldn't be together. And Billy Wade.

Like we got to give it up for Billy Wade? Church. Church, yes. Church. We met at church, and it was like, all right, that was our pastime. But we had to have a common ground where we could meet, and that was the basketball court. So your side of the jail happened to play my side of the jail.

We had Kurt James, who played with Magic Johnson, by the way. Kurt James was dope. He went to the University of Michigan, went to the NBA, blew his knee out, and became a correction officer, if that's what you want to call it. Hold on, you guys didn't know each other before jail? No. No, no, no.

I knew of him because the school that he got kicked out of, I got kicked out of and went to. Does that make sense? I know it's terrible. But he got kicked out. I think you got kicked out of 125.

No, I didn't. I graduated. You graduated. Okay. So when he left there, I went to IS 125. And that's like the first time my encounter with Queensbridge, period. Yeah. Because although it wasn't Queensbridge, it was 46 and Bliss. Yeah.

So that's a 7 train. That's a 7 train. And then you could actually see you guys projects but I had really didn't know I had met somebody named LJ. Yes. Yes. So you was finished your story? Yeah but like it's basically like playing ball. You know what's crazy is that when you look at it like

you know our age we grown now and all that but we was like neck and neck of life. The high school, the junior high school I went to, he went to after I graduated. The jail that I went to, he went to after I left. I went up north. So we was right neck and neck on meeting each other, but we didn't meet to Hollow Valley. We didn't get to that level. And then it was straight basketball.

We never talked about music then it was straight basketball. We never talked about music. It was straight basketball. And then I got him pulled to the college dorm. He's trying to floss at me, just trying to floss. I was trying to floss. I was strong. I got my brother pulled to my house. And shout out to Shadnit, because Shadnit

is out there right now. He was with us. There's a lot of people that I've met in the 15, 16-year-old age bracket that we're still together now. That's a plus. That's dope. But this is one of the things that made it, one of the brothers that made a difference. But, you know, we got to basketball, and then the first time we met,

he was like, you don't play no D on me? I don't play no D on you. It was fast. He's trying to fix the game. He's trying to fix the game, yes. We had a fix. We had about 28. I had 30. Yeah, yeah, fix the game Yes We had a fix He had about 28 I had 30

Yeah yeah We had 28 I had 30 It's true It's true It's true From there You know we got

We got him pulled to my house Shout out to Pams Right Paul Rivera Pams yes Yeah you know what I'm saying He got him pulled to the crib And then

From there was history We never talked music It was basketball Selling drugs It was it And that became My best friend in jail, besides my brother. And what year is this exactly?

92. Okay. But, okay, now, coming home. No, no, that's in jail. But coming home now. We spent our time. Now, coming home, you and Capone knew each other prior to seeing each other upstate? Because when did y'all first see each other?

Didn't y'all see each other in Yorktown or where was y'all? Like, y'all was, I think it was out of... Nah, I was in, I was in Troy. I was in Troy. I was in Troy doing one thing and he was in New York doing another and my man Wonderful, Wonderful

hooked us up together. I came to the studio and Traj was like... Wonderful Malik. Yeah, Wonderful Malik. Malik, is she? No, no, no, Malik from Southside. Okay, okay, okay. But he was like, Traj was like... Wonderformalik. Yeah, Wonderformalik. Malik, is he? No, no, no. Remember Malik from Southside? Okay, okay, okay. But he was like, Traj was like,

you know what? I'm not really feeling this shit. Let's get the fuck out of here. And we left the session. And by the way, Jam S and Jay was there. It was in studio. Wow, rest in peace. It was Jam S and Jay's studio.

We boogied on them. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. We boogied on them. Very careful. And we became... CNN? We was inseparable. CN peace. We bogeyed on them. Very careful. And we became CNN. We was in Sephora. We was in TNT.

We was in Sephora. We was in TNT. We was in Sephora at that point. You know what I mean? Because as I remember, y'all, and that's your daughter you walked in with? That's my wife, bro. Oh, and her wife. Okay.

You a funny man. No, no, no. Because I was about to go, you know. I know you. I know you. I know you. I'm going to be honest. And these guys could have tested me.

Because y'all was like the horny man. Hey, what are you doing, yo? I was talking about baby. I was talking about baby. I was talking about baby. I'm going to be honest. And these guys can attest to me. Because y'all was like the horny monthang on my butt. Hey, what are you doing, yo? Come on, back in the day. Back in the day, I understand. Let me get this one. Let me get this one.

What are you doing? This what we do? This what we do? Let me know. First of all. No, I'm asking. First of all, that was a question. Hold on, hold on.

That's how you know. Slash. Slash. I'm asking. First of all, that was a question. Hold on, hold on. That's how you know. Sly, sly. I swear to God I knew this was happening. He's doing investigative reporting right now. And you wait till I bring my lady now. You wait till I bring my lady. You never did this to me. I got you.

I'm fucking with you. I know. Sly, no, you was sly. We not going to let you sly like you wasn't. You didn't have the pocket. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had the pocket, y'all.

I used to have the pocket, y'all. I used to hang out with Butch Rock. I had the pocket, y'all. Yes, yes, yes, yes. No, but what I'm saying is, so what was initially the child relationship? Because just to be clear, because just because you're from Queensbridge don't mean you get along. That's true. You know what I'm saying?

And you're from an enemy block almost, right? You from Vernon, y'all. I'm from an enemy block according to his block. And he's from an enemy block according to your block. So your block is enemies. Nigga, what are you talking about? Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

What is your one of these records out of science? So what I'm saying is y'all out of time. Y'all link up. How does this? It was like this, man. Okay. I think it was wonderful. He's like, yo, you don't know my man? Right.

You know, and I was like, nah, who that? Yeah, one, one. My man, one. So I was like, nah, who that? He was like, yo, that's Kai. I was like, nah, because, you know, son's a little younger than me. So I'm like, nah.

Would you like a rosé, sir? Thank you, my man. Anybody else want some champagne? What do you guys, you know, you would like some champagne? What would you guys, you know, you like some champagne? What would you like, you know, I heard you ain't drinking in a long time. Today's a goddamn fucking day. Today's a great fucking day to drink.

All right, you stop drinking. That was four years ago, sir. I'm back. I'm back. You back. You back. So, but, no, I guess my, I think you misunderstood me. I guess, what was it?

Like, was it the fact that, you know what I'm saying, it was the Queensbridge thing or was it? Nah, it was just we vibed. We vibed. That was a Queensbridge thing because if I didn't know Trash, I knew Trash, Queensbridge. I wouldn't have went down. It wasn't a Queensbridge thing for me because I didn't know him. I knew a story of him. So when the story got put for me, I was like, oh, that's Sonny?

You know that Biggie though? That's how he's doing? I'm like, oh, that's the number man Sonny. You know what I mean? At the time, whatever. Piece of the big, big, big, big bro. The OG Kenny Do. Love him. Yeah, so I was like, oh, I heard that story.

That's for the dead homie. Yeah, that's for the dead homie. I was like, I heard that story. I remember the story. Him shooting the police? I didn't say that, but I just remember a story. I remember a specific story. I remember a specific story. My bad. And it had a story.

Yeah. Whoa, that story. So, when I heard that story, I was like, oh, where's that son? And I'm looking at him like, he don't look, you know what I mean? Right. He look all right, you know? And me and him clicked up, and me and him just clicked up. We was inseparable since then, and there's been a lot going on since then.

Okay. So now, boom lot going on since then. Okay. So now, boom, moving on to you now. How do you and Tragedy even link up? Did y'all have a relationship, or was that more and more? Well, I actually knew Tragedy because I promoted his records. You can tell us who it was. That's when Round the Globe was really popping and you were signed.

It was tough. Evan Forster. Yeah, Evan. So he had a deal. Via Alcantara, yeah, via Alcantara. So we met and I was promoting and stuff. Then Martin brought the guys in. He said, oh, you know, Trash?

I said, yeah. And he brought the guys in, brought you guys in. No, but I'm saying you guys had a relationship prior to that? Yes. said, yeah. And he brought the guys in, brought you guys in. No, but I'm saying, you guys had a relationship prior to that? Yes. Okay, yeah. Had Panty already been formed or not yet? No, it was Around the Globe.

It was Around the Globe Music. It was Around the Globe. And Martin originally started working Around the Globe Music doing radio promotion. I was the worst. He was not a good promoter. Listen, I've been listening to Martin, I'll be honest. I've been listening to the old Wu-Tang thing, and when you come on, I can do it. I mean, like, yo, my man, he's just a good guy.

But he's on the classic stuff. He's on the classic. He's on the classic. He's on the classic. And what was that, college radio at the time? NYU. NYU. NYU.

That's interesting, man. That's interesting. So, okay, so Martin would be my radio promoter and someone who would come in and be ready to you know pay us to promote their records

Martin would be like ah it's okay it's like this isn't going to work Martin is a very tough critic it's not going to work but I said I want to start a label

and when I do I want to bring you in on that side you know pick and stretch so Martin and I go back a long way, too.

He is a tough critic. He told me my verse on Calm Down. I said, what? I did my best. I did my best. Don't try to go too fast. I'm saying, I'm saying. I'll go back to that.

So, okay, I'm trying to understand. Now, how about you and Martin? Did you know him? I've seen Martin around. Like, you know, we in the same kind of, we in the same arena, so to understand. Now, how about you and Martin? Did you know him? I've seen Martin around. Like, you know, we in the same arena, so to speak. So I would see Martin around. But you know, Martin's quiet. And then I wasn't really too much of a social person in that way if I didn't know you.

But I definitely remember seeing him. And so it made it easier to kind of parlay a meeting with him and connect with him. You know what I'm saying? Because he was always smooth and quiet, but it was good emotion for us to line up and me to come through and play the shit for him. And when I played it for him, he was feeling it, you know what I'm saying? He was definitely feeling it. Okay, now Mayhem, same question almost.

Did you have a relationship with Neil? How did this happen? I met Neil through Martin. Okay. So me and Martin did NYU together. I used to listen to like all- So you was in the college radio with him. You didn't want to claim that just now.

I noticed you and you said, yes, brother. Right. So I used to listen to like all like the underground radio shows. And I used to listen to him when I was in high school. Right. So when I got into NYU, I gave him a tape and I said, yo, you need a DJ. Right. I need to be a DJ.

He was like, oh, word. All right. He listened to be your DJ. He was like, oh, word, all right. He listened to the tape. He was like, yo, kind of all right. Yeah. And then he brought me on and then we did the show together. At NYU. At NYU. Wow.

Okay. And then I brought him on to penalty. Yeah. Wow. He put me on twice. Okay. That's good. That's good.

Now, Gino, now how did you get involved with this? Well, it's crazy because it was actually two ways, right? Okay. So I used to hustle with a guy by the name of Al Ness. Al Ness? Al Ness. My man, yes. Who was friends with Jula.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bunch of football guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know they from my hood. So me and Alex, the hustle together, 129. And he was like, yo, I'm doing my thing on radio, boom, boom. And I was like, yo, I'm trying to get into music, but I want to work behind the scenes. So he was like, yo, you come up, just come up and figure out a day to come up. So I was like, yo, you come up, just, you know, come up and figure out a day to come up.

So I was like, all right, cool. So then when I went up, I started and I went into Cal and Williams. I know Cal and Williams do Pete Rock. And I was cool with Pete and his brother, Grapp,

from when I used to try to get, you know, rap and get into music. Oh, cause you used to rap. Yeah. I heard about that. It wasn't good. So it was through Kyle and

M. Ness and then Kyle and Williams. And started off with that and you know, answering phones, ordering you tuna melts and all that. Pluck you. Pluck you. Pluck you.

You know the guy who did Animal Dog on Pluck You? He owns Pluck You right now. That's You know the guy who did Animal Dog on Pluck U? He owns Pluck U right now. That's dope. Word? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy who did it? The guy who did the skit? Yeah, you know the skit with me?

You're kidding me. Oh, yeah. He bought Pluck U. And he was just working it at the time? No. After the skit. He figured out. He figured out.

He was the first, like, viral without being viral kind of person. You think the skit helped him buy it? Yes, man. That man owned the same joint you work at, bro. That's the real vibe. He's you got the person. You say the skit helped him buy it? Yes, man. That man owned the same joint you work at. That's the real part. He's part of it. That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, because I look at Rockefeller, right? And you got all these beautiful stories where you say, all right, cool, but it all comes

from this one tree where you got, you know, Aaron over here and all this. And I look at that penalty and I said, wow, we got a lot of great people who worked that penalty. Did y'all know

that this little boutique label was a magical label? Did you know that, Neil? Well, I knew we were doing some special stuff and I just, you know, you just felt the vibe. So yeah, I knew something special

was happening. Did I know we'd be sitting here 25 years later? Really? No. Who could have imagined that? Drinking. Drinking.

It's a spade. Come on. Hey. It's a bottle. Rose or what kind you want? Rose or gold? I'm drinking the gold. Go ahead.

Give him the gold. Give him the gold. Give him the gold. He's drinking the rose. Come on. Trash. You want some rose? You know Harlem niggas.

Give him some rose. Gina won't take it easy, but we're going to make sure Gina's hot. No, no, no some rosé. You know Harlem niggas. Get him some rosé. Gino's going to take it easy, bro. We're going to make sure Gino pop up. No, no, no. He want the rosé. He want the rosé with you, brother. Come on. Yeah, let's go, baby.

Come on, come on. Or you can pop a new one. It's okay. It's okay. Whatever you want. Yeah. Okay, so boom. Because wasn't the label before you moved on?

Wasn't it on 25th Street at first? It was 25th Street. Yeah. That's where. Or was it 24th Street? No, 28th Street. 28th Street. 28? It was 25th street, yeah. Or was it 24th street? No, it was on 28th street. 28th street. 28th street.

All the flowers used to be outside. By the comic, by the comic district. It was 28th before I went to jail. No other way to show. It was very real. It was very real. It was very real. That's right.

You look a ton of gold back. So I have to say one thing. So penalties started, you know, really with Round the Globe was really popping in those days. So Martin was actually the first person I brought over to Penalty. So Round the Globe was on 28th Street. And then when Penalty started popping, then I started moving the people from Round the Globe to the label. But, you know, 28th Street was great to us and then we got that big floor on 25th Street. 25th Street, and that was next to Jive, next to Battery Studios, down the block from Violator,

which was across the street, which was up the block from 4040 later, and across the street from fucking, the block later that block became that shit. Jimmy Hitchman. Yes, yes, yes, yes. No, but wasn't, well, 25th Street, 28th Street, we had the rooftop, right? We had the rooftop. We had the rooftop. Let me tell you something.

We'd be out there all the time. We didn't have no place to hang out. We didn't have no place to hang out. We knew we could go to 28th Street and smoke on the roof, hang out, order plug. It was a freedom there. I like plug. It's a freedom there, like you said, it's a freedom there. And I think that's one of the important things about a label like Penalty,

is because when you have a boutique label, it's not generic. There's not people afraid to take chances. Sometimes less is more, like you said earlier. There was 10 people there, 3,000 people over there, but the 3,000 people couldn't get it right because the 10 were focused and they were willing to take chances. And that's what gave labels like that,

and I got to commend Neil, Boyin, Mayhem, Brother Gino, that's what gave labels like that a strength because they weren't afraid to take chances. Only other labels like that that existed, only other labels that existed like that, and Def Jam did later when it started but

I would give it to Lau yeah yeah Steve knew how to what's the original name Ruckus Ruckus Ruckus Ruckus was later

yes yes yes Ruckus but did Penalty already have it's Tommy Boy distribution when you started it yeah I mean I started it and then I did the deal with Tommy Boy.

I had another label before that, Assault Records, at the DFC. That's right. And that was part of Atlantic. That's right. And then I didn't make money from it. I spent all my own money promoting it. And I said, oh, this doesn't work. And I went to Atlantic and said, hey, let's change the deal.

It's like, no, we're good. So that's when I did the deal. I started another label because they owned the name. I was in business with them. I started Penalty. And since I was promoting a lot of the Tommy Boy records back then,

it just kind of made sense. So, boom. Let's get to it. We established how everyone knows each other. That is good. Okay. All right, boom. Now. That lady's going to get crazy. No, because I want to, to it we establish how everyone knows each other that is that is good okay all right now

no i want i want this is why i wanted to start and i actually wanted to access in front of trash it's because even when i were announcing that i was signing with Traj, right? Traj had a certain reputation, right? He had a certain, like, yo, it was certain things that came with doing business with Traj. Was that ever reflected on y'all? Like, when you heard about the group, did you hear about the group or did you hear about, you know, like things that was attached

to Traj? Not really. I really love Traj, so I had a relationship and so I didn't, was attached with trash? Not really. I really love trash, so I had a relationship, and so I didn't, no, that wasn't a factor at all. How about you, Juan? Yeah, no, for me,

it didn't really, it wasn't a factor. I mean, it wasn't really, like, relevant to me signing. It was just like, the music was there. It was like, all right, that's it. It wasn't even,

this business antics wasn't even a factor. And then you, alright, that's it. It wasn't even, his business antics wasn't even a factor. And then you, right, because for the most part, you're known more than the label. You know what I'm saying? He's already a legend.

You're already a legend. What made you say... Also, I'm sorry, but the thing about it is that, like, Trash had a vision and what I like, when he came,

he laid it out and I was so, I was like, oh, okay. Now, I get it. I heard the music, but then when he came he laid it out and I was so okay now I get it I heard the music but then when he came and laid it out and laid out the vision I was like okay this is we could work with this okay cuz I think that you guys are jumping a little bit because we are how do you get to the group to start with like how do you say these two sound good together this is a group no no okay I will get to that part but this is a group no no okay i i i'm gonna

get to that part but this is the part i i was trying to get to what drag was the same way it was a a chance and a risk for penalty to kind of with a new right uh group it was also a risk for trash reputation to with a new group too you understand what i'm saying so what i'm trying to ask you a new label too so what understand what I'm saying? So what I'm trying to say, I'll ask you a new label too. So what I'm trying to say is, what made you say that, you know what? Because at the time, there were other labels that existed like that,

but there was Steve Rifkin's or whatever. There wasn't no other to base Penalty on. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I appreciate you saying that too, but you know what's wild? I didn't let, I look at everything like music. Sometimes that's to my default.

Okay. Because life is life, you know what I'm saying? But I don't, like when I choose a beat, I don't choose the beat. I let the beat choose me. So I don't necessarily go and be like... What it was is I let the shit talk to me. I'm going over here, going over there. I'm seeing how different labels work.

I'm coming off a situation with Molly. No disrespect, love Molly. But it was a type of situation that taught me a lot. The hard way, you know what I'm saying? There's three ways. The best lessons are paid lessons. You can learn, you know, by way of time and money and, you know, whatever. And all of the above.

So it's like going through that whole chamber with Molly, I was like, yo, you know, I want to do things how I see it, how music should be and how the artist should be. I didn't fully have it down. I kind of went along, you know, learned as I went along, too, a lot. And then learned later after it was done, so to speak.

So, but I let it talk to me and I'm going around to different labels, but I'm kind of, you know what I'm saying? You know how I am. and I'm going around to different labels, but I'm kind of, you know what I'm saying, you know how I am. So I'm going around, but I'm really not asking what I really want, I'm kind of just feeling people out. Because I feel like by the time I get to what I want, I'll know how to ask for it.

You understand what I'm saying? Right. You get me? So I'm going around and I'm like, all right, cool. You know, and this is before you even got involved with the picture. Right, that's exactly where I was trying to go. Let's get to it. Yeah, yeah, let's go, let's go.

Come on. Let's go, let's go. I'm ready. And we all come with answers. Come on, let's go, let's go. So boom. I'm basically working with him. I'm basically working with him.

Let's describe. If you're going to go there, let's describe that. Carry on, dog. Okay. I got to take it from, I come home. Come home from. Um. I gotta take it from I come home. Come home from yeah.

Go to Queensbridge. They tell me homie is on the run. Who? The y'all is on the run. What? I didn't know that shit. That's why they went to

Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I got you. So after that, I find out he got a record deal with Faith Newman. Okay, okay, listen. See, I went too fast. No, no, no, you kind of jumped. I didn't go the same track. But you got to realize, hold on, that's how it looked for me. I came home, that's all I saw.

But this is before you even... He didn't have a record deal, right? What it was is, we had like a bullshit demo deal. No, we had... Demo deal, we had believers. Yeah, we had supporters. We had supporters. You know what I mean?

We had blood-naked tip dogs. Yeah. Faith. Faith, you know what I mean? Was Charles Suit around at that-naked Tim Dogg. Yeah. Faith. Faith. You know what I mean? Was Charles Suit around at that time? Yeah, Charles Suit was around. Charles Suit wasn't...

Charles Suit. He wasn't Charles Suit, but he wasn't directly attached to us like Faith. Or Tim Dogg. And Tim Dogg. Tim Dogg took it upon himself to say, I'm one of the fuckers. Yeah.

But Tim Dogg's thing was a piece of Tim Dogg, too. But moving on, good dude because he didn't say, look, I can't give you a deal. He didn't say, I don't want to give you a deal. He said,

I can't bring you over here, your type of music. But I see what you're doing. So I'm going to give him, and it was a demo deal. He said, I'm going to give you a demo deal. Basically,

you know the demo. What the fuck? We broke it up. That's what we were basically talking about. We had a demo deal. Shut up and try it. What the fuck was that? What the fuck was that? Broke it up. That's when we was making the record. We had a demo deal. That's when we made the demo.

Shut up the trash. We had a demo deal. We had a demo deal. You're a motherfucking liar. You right. You're a motherfucking liar. You jumped right on that. I feel like I'm in a trap.

I feel like there's a lot of trap shit going on. Where's the door at? Man, you up good? Goddamn. You look good. Continue though. We better have a demo deal though. I gotta get that book.

I gotta get that new book you're reading. I'm gonna get that new book. I'm gonna get that new book. I'm gonna get that new book. I'm gonna get that new book. I'm gonna get that new book. I'm gonna get that new book. This is how the track shit going on. What's it doing? Man, you up good? You up good? You up good? You up good? Continue, though. I got to get that book. I got to get that new book you're reading. So anyway, anyway. So, boom, we do, we go and do, we go and do Get the Cream. Get the Cream.

We go and do Get the Cream, right? So, mind you, a fucking demo deal is like a stack. Right, yeah. It's studio time, money. It's a stack, okay. So, boom, I'm working with Ayatollah. I bought Ayatollah a beat machine, MPC. A fucking demo deal?

Yeah, of course. Hell yeah. How you going to get beats? You wasn't giving up none of your star money. You're not even trying money. and none of your tribe money. Somebody gotta pay for this. I always shoot back, baby. So, yeah, so we working with Ayatollah,

but this dude, like, you know, respectfully, he's in and out. Yeah, he's in and out. You know, sometimes he comes through, sometimes he doesn't. And for some street shit, he's always there. You know, sometimes he comes through, sometimes he doesn't. And for some street shit, he's always there. You know, might be studio, and he might be like, yo, I gotta go run out of town. Or he's like, I gotta go do some other things.

You know, whatever. So, and I'm getting that vibe that, because at the time, he's nice to me. He's still gracious, but at the time, he's nice. And I'm like, yo, what are you doing, bro? So he's like, yo, you know, that's when he brings you up. So I'm like, yo, that wasn't the fucking plan. So what are you doing? So he's like, nah, it's my man.

So now I'm like, ah, man. So it kind of thugs me off for a little second. Because it was like a, you know, just a sneak. He was prepared to put it on solo. Yeah, because you know how it is. And now he throwing you a curveball. Throwing me a curveball. Especially a, you know, just a sneaky. He was prepared to put on a solo. Yeah, because you know how it is. And I hate throwing you a curveball. Throw me a curveball. Especially a nigga you don't know.

Yeah. But that's right. This went to me and gets interesting because I'm like, you know, you're not here, man. I'm like, well, fuck that dude. And let's go to that. Did he tell you where I was from at that time? No. Okay, all right, cool. Continue then. Because I didn't even, as soon as he he tell you where I was from at that time?

No. Okay, cool, continue then. Because I didn't even, as soon as he was saying it, I was like, we might be in a crib doing whatever we're doing. He's like, I don't know, but I don't even want to ask nothing. I kind of want him to forget about it. So I'm not going to feed this shit. But I keep, you know, every now and then I throw it around like, yo, y'all go back in

and do some more songs. And he's like, yo, but my man, my man, my man. And I'm like, all right. So he's like, yo, I don't know, time just flew. And he's like, yo, my man's coming home. I was like, your man you was telling me about? He's like, yeah. I'm like, don't see who the fuck this nigga is, man.

I'm dead in this nigga. You know what I'm saying? Get him face to face. Nigga's out of here. So, boom, fuck that. So, boom, we go to that train station, and it's this nigga that I met when he was probably like 10 or some shit.

It was his sister India, God bless India, trying to save her little brother. And you know, at the time, I was in a different school of thought, you know what I'm saying? So, I got the white on, you know what I'm saying? The Jalabee, the Koofy, you know what I'm saying? The Jollibee, the Koofy. You know what I'm saying? She's like, I go, I actually go to his crib

because she's like, yo, I see you always look like a positive. Yo, talk to my brother. Like, it reminded me of that DMX thing. He's like, yo, your pops told me. I know your pops. You need to go to the mosque. It was just like that. Yo, wear your eyes all red.

You need to find yourself something. When I heard that, I was like, oh shit, it's funny as hell. So, long story longer, I go to the crib,

ring the bell, this nigga comes out in the hallway, right? All the magic, I'm like, hey, what's this motherfucker like?

So, when I go to the train station, I'm like, oh shit, this dude? And I don't know, it was no more questions. But now it's like, I gotta see what he got. It wasn't like, I'm dead in this nigga no more. It was like, this nigga's kinda high, he's fucked up.

You know what I'm saying? We'll get along. So, this little time goes by, we building, kicking it, throwing back and forth ideas. We going to the law. So, we, as the little time goes by, we building, kicking it, throwing back and forth ideas. We're going to the studio. I,

I grab up J Supreme from Queensbridge who happened to produce damn near every big dude from Queensbridge's first demo. That was Hottay's little guy or no?

Nah, I wouldn't say that. He was Hottay's partner. Okay, okay. Okay, I was asking. All right, so, so, so. Supreme, beautiful dude, still working on it to this day. We actually working on a project, but I brung, we got the beat first.

That's when Tapes was still rocking. We got the beat first. What happened, man? You took them off? Yeah, of course. So, which I think was a great, dope song. Um, I don't even remember why we didn't put it on the album. What happened, Mario? That one, you gotta figure that one.

What song is this? Half a Mill. But you gotta realize, also, too, that wasn't part of them. Yeah, that wasn't part of them. No, it wasn't, but... I'm gonna tell you why Half a Mill was one of my favorite sessions, and you can pick up right there. Wait, one second.

This is the first upon a creative joint? Yes, wait a minute. Let me, let me do that. I was doing a solo record that night. You just put it up to the street. Pick up right Yes, wait a minute Yeah Just free Music is beats in this session, and then I'm like, my brother's here. I forget all my solo shit out the window. We was actually trying to get you on the, what's your name?

The soundtrack. The soundtrack. Yeah. I forgot what soundtrack, but at the end of the day, I was doing a soundtrack record. It didn't slam. Was it South Park? Maybe one of them.

It was South Park, yeah. But slam pulled up, and it was like my niggas here The funny shit out of everything is I still never heard him Oh God, yo never rhyme together No, but I'm saying is though, I've, like, when you rhyme on like, Right.

Like that thing that's going in the studio. I'm on studio time right now. Yeah, you're right. I still don't know what Slam could do. I'm vouching for him, but I don't know

if that shit he was doing and all that was going to resonate to the booth. Right. So I'm vouching, vouching, vouching.

And then me, I'm super five percent of the time. So every rhyme I got here. I don't got the rhymes down here. I got it all here. So I'm not only singing it from here, but I'm singing it from here. Fuck yeah. The whole shit was, that's how that session came to play. My nigga was here.

It wasn't like we say, we got a record of the play. I wanted you to finish what you was saying, Trav. You know what I'm saying? I'll fall back and move forward. Fall back and move forward, it's all right. About that time. Chill, chill.

Chill, young blood. So, yeah, so now we in power play. We get Jay, Jay Supreme to come through through and this is my first time really hearing nori like because you know what like he said we were i heard him when we'd be in the crib and and we'd just be playing beats and you know he spent some shit and i'm but i i didn't i couldn't put him together right away in my mind i couldn't't grasp it, you know what I'm saying? So now we in the studio, it's different. And now I need to see if he understands structure.

Now I need to see, you know what I'm saying? But he was just wild. His shit was all over the place, but it was raw. And you know, it's no, like you said, you know, whatever words you used. Crazy crazy this guy antics we get back to that but i i like that you know i'm saying because to me not because it's wild or whatever because to me like at that time i'm very passionate about music you know i'm saying and to me that comes from a real place that I relate to. You know what I'm saying?

So as I'm listening, I'm like, oh, shit. But I'm like, yo, this shit, his voice sounds bugged to me. It kind of reminded me of when Shane was here, he said when him and Marley listened to Rakim. And I was like, yo, what the fuck? It's so over there that it's like, because Pone is nice, but Pone has that Queensbridge vein in him. He has that vein,

but Norrie came from a place that he couldn't take what he has from, you know what I'm saying? Right. It's different. So it's like more or less he the father of the staff.

And you know, for contrary to what belief is out there, I never wrote no rhymes for him. I helped him with his rhymes. I never wrote his rhymes for him. I helped him with his rhymes. I never wrote his rhymes. So I would help him with the rhymes, man. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

He's like, yo, wait a minute. When I say, no, no, hold on, wait. Understand? No, he always, he always go like that. Listen, understand? I'm going to keep it green, baby. I'm going to keep it green, greenberry no matter what. So again, I like to know where the doors. My wife is good. You know what I'm saying?

I'm not afraid. I gotta tell the truth. Listen, hold on. I gotta tell the truth. But when I say help, I mean it in a respectful sense. Listen, stop playing, man. That shit help. I know he be bugging. But listen, he's my brother.. Listen, stop playing, man. I know he be bugging, but listen, he's my brother.

But listen, because you know what? It's because a lot of shit came up and, you know, been around us, surrounding us. Shit surrounds me, too, that didn't necessarily happen. But I don't care about that. I care about my brothers and my brothers seeing where I'm coming from and I got to see where they come from and that's reality.

All that outside shit, I don't care about so I want to make clarity now because this is something I brought up. You didn't bring it up but I want to bring it up now as to say,

when I helped you, I helped you with song structure. This is different. It's like saying, cut it at 16. Or here, this is how you construct the hook. Or like Blood Money when that was my first ball of my

verse saying, you know what? That should be the hook. I accept that. That's the truth. Whether you accept it or not is the truth. I'm just speaking the truth. But hold on. You don't have to keep doing that. You know why? I'm saying it.

But I'm saying it so that it Because, listen, hold on. I'm leaving my skin. I'm saying it. I'm saying it. But I'm saying it so that it can't be said no more. Because when I'm talking about my peoples and what we did, it's like, I'm not speaking it to, I'm not speaking it for the outside. You understand what I'm saying? I do. But you got to realize how people take it. And you're right. And you're right. And you're right.

One, because you got to realize when we looked at the Warrior 4 album, you look at the credits. Yeah. It says Sweet, published in Sweet 12. Yeah. Sweet 12. Trouble Truth. Trouble Truth. Sweet 12.

It says, you know, Percy Chapman. People all the time say, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me see what's going on. This is how Kane was credited on Bismarck Records. This is how such and such people were credited. So automatically, that's how people took that. And especially when it's on records that you were on.

You understand what I'm saying? So I can see that they say, all right, cool. Parole violators, that's nori trash and habit. So what we've got to realize is me personally, when we went through our discrepancies They say like, all right, cool, parole violators, that's nori trash and habit. So what we've got to realize is me personally, when we went through our discrepancies and it was like, yo, you know, I followed the style you said that. That's what people did. People came in and that's how they put it together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that year was tough because I didn't know how to go to every interview and be like, what, nigga? I'm on my own own and not only that let's just be clear NRE album the next year was more successful than the War Report so if I was to say well if that's happened what the fuck would happen with NRE

it would automatically make it look like I'm shitting on my partner in jail. So I literally, for a couple, for a minute, because it would be like I'm shitting on a waterfall. It's a totally different vein though. No, but you got to realize this is my life that I'm living. So I'm just telling you what I was receiving from my end when I was walking and after, you know, blood type had dropped and things like that.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm glad what you said. And... Yeah, I'm? So I'm glad what you said. And I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. It's very personal to me.

It's very personal to me because of that factor. And because I didn't understand publishing at the time. And when people brought that up to me, well, why his name is on the publishing here? Why why this name and then who the fuck is sweet 1202 So I'm like they still think it's a mother guy sweet 12 or two if it wasn't track and that's Yeah, and and and and and and respect to that right that's of the reason why when you wanted out the deal, I didn't want nothing. Right.

You know what I'm saying? I didn't want nothing. And the lawyer at the time, Reggie O'Sean, who came on your show, wait a minute, and lied. God bless.

God bless your bro. I keep it green, though. God bless. I'm going to keep it green because I'm in my skin. Yes. It's factual. So, you know what I mean? Like, that's why when it was time for us to part, I didn't want to do that.

Because honestly, like I said, I was still learning a lot as I went along. And I know that now. You know that I know that. But you're still a little shaky about shit. I see the sweat coming on your forehead. No, I ain't sweating at all. I'm good. Gracious. But I need you to be good with me with that.

I know you good. You great. I'm great. But I need you to be good with me with that. I agree. I feel the check piece. That's the Jedi. As a person, you know, who bought the...

People said that about you too, because of the publishing thing that was there. I know, the only reason why I ain't go do it is because I was in jail. He ain't have a diss record. He had a diss record with me, so it got crazy. You know what I'm saying? That is a diss record?

You're saying, dude, I'm a champion, I'm speaking to in the same room. I was in jail. I was speaking to him. He like, yo, slime. I was speaking to him. Yo, slime. I'm like, man, y'all need to be straight up. Yeah, you must have been in an awkward position. Awkward position. I was in a super awkward position.

Yeah, how did that feel? Because I remember coming to you. Just throw it on your ass now. I remember coming to you and be like, yo, this nigga sad. What about that time we went to the show? You spit on her thumb? This nigga's disrespectful, yo. We go to the dance.

Y'all going to NC without me? I can't bring motherfucking, who was it, Ray? I can't bring motherfucking, who was it? I can't bring motherfucking, who was it? I can't bring motherfucking, who was it? I can't bring motherfucking, who was it? I can't bring motherfucking. We go to the dance. Y'all going to NC without me? I can't bring motherfucking, who is it, Rel and who is it? Rel and Steph? And Steph? Fuck y'all niggas.

Get out of here. I said this nigga crazy. I don't remember none of this. I told you you remember. I want to remember. Let's get back to positivity. Let's get back to positivity. That was good.

I know, I know. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. We not sugarcoating. I told you to remember what the water was. Let's get back to positivity. Let's get back to positivity.

That was good. We not sugarcoating shit. Yeah, yeah. This shit will make us brothers right now. If it wasn't for them days, we wouldn't have these days. Them misunderstanding days. Them days where it was left-right, QB.

Them days was like, oh, bro. Them days made us... This shit's called war report, man. Where was left right QB the days was like? Like that we wish my nigga was here. But then, you know, it was a whole bunch of shit that made us us, though. Loud as going on. Okay. I'm in jail.

No, fuck that. Y'all two niggas put me in the most awkward position because I gotta call him, collect, and listen to what he's saying. And I'm sitting in water. Just be clear.

Listen, listen. I'm sitting in weed. You're sitting in weed, but you need to know more about me. I was the more important person at the time. I was the more important person at the time. I was the more important person.

You know, Branson, Branson back to the triangle. Not a triangle. He didn't even believe my shit. He just wanted to show me. That ain't my job. You want some butt, I'm sending you the butt.

You better get out of here. I had to get that back to the door. I had to get that. We don't want to imagine. We don't want to imagine. I got to like, blow the door back to the dorm. I had to get that. We don't want to imagine. We don't want to imagine. I got to like blow it. Blow it. Blow it.

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Let's get back to the origin of the album. Because what I first heard, Martin, is you heard us on Fartmaster Flex? No. That's the line? That's the line. Way before that. Stretching Barbita.

Yeah, Stretching Barbita. Stretching Barbita. Yeah, yeah. Stretching Barbita. Stretching Barbita. No, no. You know what the funny thing is? I heard it. I was just... To back up a little bit, I was doing an underground college radio show,

so I was always in tune to what was happening on the streets, music-wise or whatever. I had heard about y'all. I had never heard anything. In fact, I had read an article about y'all. Bob, I think, Sasha or- Sasha Jenkins. One of them wrote it. Yeah. We gotta go back to that, too. It was a bugged out article, because it was like... But anyway yeah it was a bugged out article

it was a bugged out article because it was like but anyway then I eventually got the demo tape and what Trag was saying what stood out to me on that demo tape was your awkward style but it was different it was like something that I was like oh shit because you know it was like a regular record but it was it was this was I'm talking about LA LA right and stereo You're on the stereo hands together, but then your voice your tone all that I was like audition is this is this different if this stood out and you know what my mind frame in that time You know doing underground radio doing other stuff. It was like it was dope I was like oh, this is cool

And that's how you know I got tried to come in and but I heard about y'all like do the vibe on the underground Like stretch okay, you know I'm saying stretch I got trash to come in and but I heard about y'all like do the vibe on the underground like stretch. Okay No, it's Big part of my career You know, y'all was bubbling up a lot of people was vouching for y'all. So it was like, y'all was bubbling up. A lot of people was vouching, like Stretch, and then Traged, and then the article, all this other stuff. Now, when I say article in a magazine,

remind you, this is before social media. Right. That was the social media. You had to be a physical copy of something. It was like 12 lines. Yeah, it was like, hey, these guys. Which was big at the time. And by the way, let me just be clear.

At the time Nas came out, changed the trajectory of how Queens hip-hop is supposed to sound, how's Queens hip-hop, you know, we was just coming through this detrimental disaster from a guy named Karras One talking about the bridge is over. Then Nas comes and restores our whole, you know, pride. Then this other group comes out, Mobb Deep. And there's no other group to compare us to. So I remember the first three articles. Yeah, we was Mobb Deep Rejects.

No, man. That wasn't. Nigga, we was Mobb Deep Rejects. I remember the exact paragraph. It's bothering me. was Was quasi Basically, well, it's not like like like like a sub of my Before they knew what we are we were People need something to compare something to. They need a gauge. And at that time, it just offended me.

Because I'm like, nah, we're not Peace to Havoc. That's my brother. I love him. Love his mother. I love his mother. Rest in peace, Killer Black. I love his whole family. I love his sister.

That's my little brother. You know what I'm saying? But it bothered me because we're going so hard. And kind of like how you felt about Queensbridge and Left Rap. I don't want to be, you got to understand, I'm the big brother. I don't want to be, Hav is my little brother. I don't want me and Maz to be associated in that way, like we trying to bite off of his shit, they shit.

And when you struggling and you trying to get to a point and you know in yourself what it is and what you have, it could be offensive. But now that we older, we don't understand that motherfucker just didn't know how to place it. Or he just didn't understand it. Sometimes it's like that. You have situations where people bring a particular sound to someone and they just don't even know what to do with it.

And they'll dead you, but you think they deader you, they just pushing you on to go somewhere else where you're supposed to be yeah and be greater so when they wrote that i was like oh shit the fuck because you know we back in the hood and then you know niggas looking at all y'all niggas tried like you know and they're trying to be like son of them but i know what i'm listening to is way different. Don't get me wrong, peeing in half is nice. But this is way different. It's coming from a different place. Sonically. Physically, it's coming from the same place, halfway.

Sonically, it's coming from a different place and a different, a certain kind of sincerity. The best thing for us is that me and this brother sounded totally different. And complimentary, Joseph. Of course. If we sounded the same, for us is that me and this brother sounded totally different. And complimentary jokes too. Of course. That's what made us, if we sounded the same, it would have been like, yeah, because

you know, even though P and Half sound a little different, they still sound the same. You still get the same cadence, you still get the same, me and this motherfucker is like a backup. Tone, it's tone. Totally opposite. They're tone, him and P's tone is the same. Totally opposite. They're rhythmic, you know what I'm saying?

That's the word. They tone the same, but he's stereo. So y'all shit is like this. He rhymes in stereo. You know what I'm saying? When we did Half a Million, that's when I ain't finished. That's when I ain't finished. That's when I ain't finished. Yeah, yeah.

I was going to, but you just started asking me other shit. But I remember God telling you, you said. But I wanted to do that, because it's just better when you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm sorry. You out here, I knew you, so. I know what God telling you, you said. But I wanted to do that because it's just better when you don't say it. Yeah, I'm sorry. We already shot earlier. We can shoot more later.

We can go shoot more later. So look, when we in the studio, we had Power Play, which is now called In Your Ear. Remember Axe, Power Rule, the group Power Rule, Prince and them? They took over Power Play from Patrick and them. You remember Patrick and them. Power play from back in the days where they did Binding Is Necessary, where they did Paid in Full, where they did Strictly Business. Listen, some of the greatest hip-hop landmark of albums,

staples of albums came out of this studio, which I used to go to when I was young and deliver things for a man named Dirty Red on my projects to Patrick, that was the owner.

Never thought... Dirty Red? Yeah, Dirty Red. So I was like 10, 11, but when I was going there, I was like, oh shit, I wanted to be in there,

but never thought that I'd be in there with my brothers, later on myself. So we're doing Illegal Life, and Axe comes out, and he's like, yo, your man is ill. What you mean? He was like, yo, he rhymes in stereo. So I'm like, oh, shit.

I kind of didn't hear that shit, that whole term in so long. I forgot what that meant Something like that's why the nigga just sound funny, but they're like, you know, say it's like he's almost he got a walking talking Almost like I can't explain you know what I mean? So I'm listening to this thing now listen to my old I scale and his shit Is off He rhymes he rhymes off if anybody I can compare to like rhythmically It would kind of be like P a little bit in that sense P rhymes off But you wouldn't match it because of the tones they got to he was going to tone with it

Yeah, this is monitoring history the stereo. You understand size. Good looking man Remembered it I kind of remember it. This is how, and you tell me if I'm wrong. And I could be a little bit wrong, but I know this is a fact, too. I think you described poem as, yo, this is like the gangster version of Nas. Then homeboy.

Yeah, I did say that. And homeboy says, and your man is rhymes and stereo. Yeah, that did happen. That did happen. And then you said stereo. You telling the truth. Yeah. And your man is Yeah, yeah He was like because I was moving to the back I think I was want to live. You know, you don't want to do that. That's a fact. You could block the thing out. You know what I'm saying?

That's a fact. You heard me? You figured that out? That's a fact. But now moving on, now moving on. We have this demo. Now when you step to them, you have a demo already? Yo, I'm not going to lie. I got the L.A. L.A. demo. Yeah, but that was it, right? That? That was a white thing, right? Yeah, because I don't remember us doing it.

But isn't that what's called, what's called in a white name? You guys pressed the, that's the. Stretch gave him, yeah. Stretch gave him, oh, his mother passed out too. Stretch's mom passed away. Actually, as soon as I get back, yeah, man, rest in peace to my mother. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast.

Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast.

Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him a breast. Stretch gave him, yeah. Oh, his mother passed out too. Stretch's mom passed away. Actually, as soon as I get back, yeah, man, rest in peace to my mom. Stretch actually went to his family and said, I got something I'm trying to do. No, but this is before the Stretch and Bartow family factor came in. Because I didn't tell y'all.

That's good, though, Bartow. Yeah, it's good family. So I gave, I didn't tell y'all. Yeah, it's the family. So I gave, I didn't tell y'all at the time because, you know, at the time we was going around and you don't want to, it's like having an army and you're about to go to war, but I lost a couple of battles or a faction, a piece of the army lost a battle over here. You don't want to keep telling motherfuckers that because they lose morale. Trying to keep morale up, right.

You got to motivate, you know what I'm saying? So, it's certain shit that would go down and shit that would be said that I wouldn't necessarily say because I know, I'm like, yo, in my mind,

first of all, I'm a tainted person. If I see something, nobody's going to deny me. Flex and take that. Nobody's going to deny me. Once I believe it, my shit is like this. And I'll die for that shit.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, yo, all right, cool. I don't want to tell him that I bring it over here. You said Russell Simmons, and Russell Simmons was like, whatever. You know what I'm saying? I want to smack him. 25 years later. Let's talk about the niggas.

But, but, but. Who was he? Oh, shit. That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. No, because I think... Unless you want to grow up. I mean, that's interesting, though.

No, no. That's interesting. That's travel because... It's history. It's history. Yeah, because, yeah, like, you can't fucking throw that in the air for some young dudes that's...

I mean, he's just coming off the street. Right. You know, and they may not be, they may not be able to decipher that and break that down without it making them discouraged. So anyway, long story longer, that's when I started looking at,

like, he asked, you asked about having a vision or whatever. Like I said, I ain't gonna lie, I ain't gonna sell you no Christmas gifts because a lot of times what it was is I would go off the feedback. So I might have brought it over here. That motherfucker might have shot it down.

But then I bring it over here, and they say, yo, you know what? I don't even want to bring it over here, but I see what you're doing here. Let me just give you something to help you out. Balance the scales. I'm like, I'm taking all this in. But by the time I got to Martin, you know why I didn't bring a demo? Now I know why, I remember. Because I I got to Martin, you know why I didn't bring a demo? Now I know why. I remember. Because I started saying,

yo, you know what? If I make this shit like I'm pitching something, people won't take it in necessarily. But if I make it like I'm hitting them with some exclusive shit, they'll take more time to appreciate for what it is. And I remember because

I was like, yo, this nigga's like stretching Bob Ica. Just, nah, not like that, but you know what I'm saying? Y'all don't use the underground. Right, right. So, you know,

where I'm home at, you know what I'm saying? So, I was like, yo, you know what? Give, give, certain niggas hit them with just the fucking song. Like,

don't try to make no demo. Because initially, we try to, we try to go and put, and do the shit for puffs Mixed in that's right. That was for the bad boy And that shit like happy like damn, you know, that shit was like very discovered Yeah, I really wanted us to make that

That fucking you know that that that call right there Yeah, he did but we didn't necessarily make it. Know what I'm saying? Through that, you know, through that. I'll probably pay you up, all right? The capable circle. In the end, in the end, you got us. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you.

Another thing, case in point. Nah, another thing, case in point, some shit just be, it gets greater later. But, you know what I'm saying, for me, seeing that, seeing what we was was doing seeing what we had I just wanted us to keep it not so much orthodox so we didn't get shot down so dudes like when we went to the sauce and went to different dudes not straying away from it because that all coincides that all coincides with around that same time because now we going to give up forgot who it was the editor sauce session no no no that's five shots of Jacob five Who did that? Outside of Riggs. Outside of Riggs. Who? Outside of Riggs.

Riggs Morales. Yeah, that was Riggs. He went on to work for Eminem. Yeah. Riggs Morales. So, you know, at the time, all these things was put in little moving parts and shit. I'm not looking at it how I would look at it now, like a commander and be like- OJ Loco.

All press is good press. What's the job? I didn't look at it like that. I was so personally connected to it. I'm like, yo, these motherfuckers are shitting. Oye loco. All, you know, all press is good press. What's the job? I didn't look at it like that. Right. I was so personally connected to it. I'm like,

yo, these motherfuckers are shitting. So now when we get the vibe shit, that shit was crazy because, you know, it was crazy. How was that beat? We, we, it felt,

I felt in that article in that interview we was trying to like, at least I was, I was trying to prove something and I went too far you said the article's crazy right I went too far

Slamington because go ahead tell them you know I was putting certain shit out there then because I wasn't looking at yo listen

this shit could come back you picked up the gun you forgot you forgot about putting the safety on see I came here to tell the truth Looking at you listen this shit could come back you picked up the gun Two dudes was in the room. Three dudes was in the room. No, I was in... Who was in the fucking room, y'all? I was in my room. He has a green leather sofa in the project. She was amazing to me.

A white carpet. And green carpet. And he had a microwave. And a washing and drying. They can say how much they want. They had a washing and drying. I was like, this guy's rich. I ain't rich.

I'm not leaving. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, my lord. And then I just heard, boom. And then when I looked, it was like 9-11, debris everywhere. And mind you, we do this shit. This shit is funny, man. It's funny, yo. He magically alleviate himself from the room and tell a story?

Because you knew it. He was there and wasn't there all at the same time. Who didn't shoot the gun? Let's just be clear. It's 25 years later. Why are you asking? I just know it wasn't me. The gun.

I don't know about this shit. I don't know about this. I'm positive. Where you dudes at? Yo, dudes, what's going on here, bruh? I'm positive. Yo, mic booth. I'm positive it wasn't me, but that was funny because Shasta Jenkins still want to know.

Shasta Jenkins, what about us? That's what you said. Because Shasta Jenkins should do our Sasha Jenkins still want to know. Because Sasha Jenkins should do our documentary. He needs to know. Sasha should do it. Because he was there at Bricks of Flowers. Sasha should do it. I just don't understand

why you didn't say, we was in the crib and the gun went off. Very easy. You're very lazy. You separate yourself from us. You're supposed to be brothers. That's why these brits niggas are different. Don't let them do this. We can't do this. Not today.

We are all getting it today. Hey! Okay. Listen, let me fuck that. He can't run that church. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, because there's another thing prior to us getting to Penalty that was a big campaign, a part of our thing was people kept calling me. It's like, I just seen on the train station, man, I ripped that shit down. And I'm just like, what? And I'm talking about for weeks because, you know, obviously back then we didn't have Twitter, we didn't have Instagram. So people were calling me or whatever I had. I don't even think Two Waves was in person back then. You were ready to beep or not?

I would call them back. Nah, we had a tweet. Yeah, we had regular, direct. And you gotta remember, they're not fully telling me the story, so this shit went on for weeks. Because they think it ain't holding me down. They're like, yo, man, yo, I seen that shit. So I'm like, what? Meanwhile, what Traz was doing was putting up a poll and Noriega wanted posters.

And myself. I was in it too. No, you was on these posters. Oh, yeah, I was trying to put you on first. You know what? Wait, wait, wait. I'm just telling you the result. If you still talk about the cause.

So what I didn't know for weeks were there were people that was calling me and was warning me. But you gotta realize, they're speaking in cold. They're not, they're not, they're not, they're not just saying. By the way, no one called me nor at the time. I like this one. So people say, It's probably amazing, but.

Bobby, you know, I saw, and I heard. So you know when I seen, did. You know, I saw and I heard. So, you know, when I seen it, I tore it down. So, I'm listening and I'm trying to like, what are they? But I can't.

And the next one call and it gets more decoded. Yeah, I saw it was only one lap, so I took it down. It wasn't until a week later that I actually got to see the post of myself where I'm like, wait a minute.

No one told me about this promotion. And then I found out. I knew about it, but I didn't know. I was about to say that. We didn't know that was legal. First of all, I thought we had to put up our posters. I didn't know that Omar, H225, Mal the Sheik was actually the people that was out there. You know, he's putting it up and he's going to do it.

So, by the way, when it came to me, even though I knew of it, I didn't. You didn't understand what it was. I didn't understand because of the code. You know, the campaign. It wasn't straight up saying, yo, I saw a bullet poster from you and took it down. That arguably, I don't know how much money that took, but that arguably cost just as much buzz. That's an ill campaign.

Let me say it. You know how much it cost? It cost $50. You know what the next step was that made it even iller? After that was the who the fuck is Capone and Noriega sticker. Yeah. And that was more everywhere. OK.

All right. But this was the original. Now they know. Now they know. I don't believe you came to us for a co-star. I believe you just thought of this. I did. Yeah, I did.

And then you just did it. I came to you and I said, listen, I'm going to do some. You know what it was? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. But I didn't know what the fuck you were talking about. Yeah, because I just, I was said, listen, I'm going to do some, you know what it was? Yes. Thank you. But I didn't know what the fuck you were talking about. Yeah, because I just, I was like, yo, I'm going to do some morning signs.

He was like, yeah, whatever. But I was, I had the bro go to the library and duplicate. This is a library. We didn't even have computers like that. Public library. By the way, some of these guys over here, when you said library, was like, what the fuck is that? So, you can duplicate

an actual FBI warning poster. Yeah, because I had to get your phone number. I told you I had to go get password for it. What was that? A warning poster. Yeah, you didn't notice that? So, what he's talking about when he says,

dudes is talking in code, because they thought the warning posters were real. Yeah. But I said, if you have any information regarding these suspects, 1-800-223-9797. It was hot 97? Yeah. I always thought it was 8-025 as fuck. It was Hot 97? Yeah. Hot 97. Yeah. I always thought it was 2-5.

Nah, it was Hot 97. OK. And then simultaneously, that's when we came with LA LA, like right after that. And it kind of worked together, man. It kind of worked out, man. It kind of worked out. Because it's viral.

Yeah. Viral. And if you think about it, LA LA, Tupac is a part of that record where Tupac is responding to us. He's like, whoever else is one of y'all? He didn't know our name. He didn't know our name. That offended me. Not that he dissed us, that he didn't diss us. You know, I'll be honest with you. I'm going to take my glasses off. I don't want anybody to really, really listen. I'm 50-50 with that. 50-50 with me says I wanted Pac to diss us.

Yeah. And the other 50% is like, I don't know if I would have been able to take it. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know back then. Like, right now, like, I know how to, like, respond. Because now I know how to fuck with my Instagram. Yeah, yeah,, like, I know how to, like, respond, because now I know how to fuck with my Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can understand that. Yo, I can understand that, too. That's what I tell you. I won't want to be part of that. Off the whole way, Greenberry, I was like, I even told you as of recently, like, not jumping off, but everything coincides with the point I'm like, yo, man, I'm proud of you. I mean that. You know what I'm saying? I'm proud of both of y'all, but

I'm proud of you because I understand what this shit takes, in a sense, man, I'm proud of you. I mean that, you know what I'm saying? I'm proud of both of y'all, but I'm proud of you because I understand what this shit takes in a sense. Like, coming from the fabric we come from and not taking certain shit personal. Because I would get comments and my hands start sweating. Right. Because where I come from, you don't, yo, you throwing Franks and shit on my shit. Like, I don't fuck, you know what I'm saying? At the time. Right.

Because I don't understand how to take that in But now I thought fucking high Because that you don't know about the block button it's amazing. Oh, yeah But now I thought fucking hi-hi-hi. I'm like a... Because I... You don't know about the block button? It's amazing. Oh yeah, hell yeah. Yeah, I was going to... But you got to get the...

No freak you got to get a hit to do the block. Because then you don't know... With the block. With the block. There you go. There you go. Thank you, Kevin Will. Thanks for doing this, man.

So, okay. Now, Neil, I heard you say that earlier. Now, who the fuck the Coppola Noriega stickers? You guys had one of those stickers as well, or no? This came along after the music came? After the music came. Okay. And the music is early, early, early on.

It was pretty early on. It was pretty early on. Pretty early on. It was the single. Yeah, it was the first single. That was the artwork we used on the single, too. And we flooded the city. That was everywhere. That was every fucking- I still see it today. And we flooded the city. That was every fucking place.

You can still see it today. I still see it. Still see it on West Side Highway. You got to be in a dirty crevice creek, and you might see it. I've seen it a few places. What's the single? What's the single that you're saying?

Is it LA LA? Is it LA LA? It's Illegal Life. It's Illegal Life. No, no, it wasn't. It was Stik You. Oh, that's right. It was Stik You.

Yes, it was Stik You. Yes, it was. Bro, you got to remember. It had the red and gray sticker. Yeah, bro. Yes it was. Stick you. Yes it was. Stick you. Had the red and gray sticker. Yes it was bro. But that was stick you.

Stick you. To fashion. Oh they was hitting us at the label. Talking about they going to do something else. But we going to town. That was the craziest thing apparently. They thought the record was real. Like we really wanted to stick them.

But we not going to town to stick nobody. That's not buddy. But we definitely getting the money. We definitely getting the money. We definitely getting the money. We definitely getting the money. We definitely getting the money. We definitely getting the money. We definitely getting the money. We to stick to it. We're not going up to this nigga, buddy. That's not, buddy. But we definitely get...

It was in the old social media. It was like, Barcalita, man. Barcalita, man. We definitely was getting death threats, though. Oh, man. Yeah, that was a fucking stick you with the red and silver sticker. That's right. That's a factual. I think we did like

a half a million just in New York. That makes it much more awesome. Put up Neil's drink, man. Put up Neil's drink. Make sure you put up Neil's drink. You'll be on good terms. That's because, you know Neil, I'm going to tell you something.

The whole time being on penalty, the success that penalty had, I never knew it was an independent label. That it was a major? That shit was Def Jam for this nigga. It felt, yeah.

It always felt. At that time, it was Def Jam for this nigga. He has major things with me then. We work 24-7, so that was it. That's a fact. I can contest to that. That's a fact. I mean, that's why I was saluting you earlier

because that's what I was trying to establish was, and with no disrespect to anybody else that was on Penalty Prior to us, I think the pickup to Law of Finesse was also, I also invited him and also was on the War Report album. Buck Wilde, I mean. Buck Wilde. But I didn't know any, like, with hardware at that time.

And at this time, although Mark Deep was a very underground-based group, they was coming back with hardware. You know, they was coming back with that, you know what I mean? So, what was it that attracted you to Penalty? Again, like, just to kind of like circulate around it again, it's like, and I gotta, you know, we all go through our things, but I gotta say thank you, yo, for giving me a chance, man. Well, I feel you.

We go through things, but thank you, brother. Thank you for giving me a chance. I'm too little to tuck my stomach in, but you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Because when you look back, you said something deep, man. Sometimes you get off. You know what I'm saying? No free deal.

Sometimes. So you said you don't realize what you had until you lose it, man. Yeah. So when I look back now, I'm like, damn, yo. Like, I would do anything to have that right now. You don't have people to take chances anymore. It's formulaic. The music is formulaic.

You took a chance with somebody, man. Well, now it's analytics and it's so different. Again, you know, for us, he didn't even have a demo. It's like, wow. Who does that? Who does that? Hold on, hold on. He just says something so crazy right now.

Did he just say? Didn't even have a demo. No, no, no. He said now it's all analytics. Analytics, numbers. It's not A&R. It's research and development. But you know what?

As we say that. It's not what you believe. It's deeper and deeper. It's so A&R, it's research and development. But you know what? As we say that, it's deeper and deeper. It's so deeper, though. As we say that, we got to look at us. We got to give motherfuckers a chance. You can't just look at the.. That's why shit is not being broken. That's why I got to say this, man. Not to cut you.

That's why shit is not changing. Because it's math. Everybody's going over it. And they say math don't lie but the gut, you know what I'm saying? The soul is gone. The soul is gone. The fucking, you know, the instincts. Like survival, it's instincts.

You know what I'm saying? It's innate. It's natural. The naturality of this shit is being lost. Because it's all about analytics. Analytics constitutes dollars, which we got to make. But you make money just off your instincts. I think that makes you greater later.

You know what I'm saying? Everything count, but that's real shit. But remember, math does lie because it's proven that they paying for that math. Oh, yeah. They're paying for that. Then it's not math. No, I'm saying they're paying for numbers. They're paying for numbers. They're paying for numbers. Yeah, it's not bad. No say the people's name for numbers numbers

But it's actually math for number alternate alternate science altering altering Imagine how much how many creative or how many artists we're losing because no one's taking a chance on a gut feeling, on a ear, on what they hear. We're just going off of these numbers that are bought and sold easily. And that's what I said, let's keep it real, because dudes like, yo, this money, I was like, yo, but these dudes believe in this shit. Who's going to put out T.O. and Y. as a first single? You can't tell me, I don't care what nobody say, I know this shit. You can't tell me another label at that time would have put out T.O. and Y is the first single. You can't tell me, I don't care what nobody say, I know this shit.

You can't tell me another label at that time would have put out T.O. & Y as a single. When they wanted that, I was like, yo, these motherfuckers understand. Because I was like, that's the one. Hold on, let me see the other people, man. Go ahead. And to that point, we were on a different wavelength.

Like, you know, this guy, Nill, when he, you know, plucked me out of college to work at Round the Globe, he was, like, you know, I'm here from New York, but he was, like, promoting, like, Ice Cube, promoting, like, shit from the Dirty South. Like, before it was popular in New York. My ears were, like, tuned into what was happening in New York, but he was promoting records from all over the globe. Yeah, Skull Thuggery. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, they were bad and flow. They were so bad. happened in New York but he was promoting records from all over this yes go oh

wavelength in terms of just just fine and like like you said zoning into like the the gut and zone it into that and not not the math and magic he did have math mark you have only this budget to sign and this budget to do an album. That's why a lot of shit didn't get signed. But one thing I'll tell you about Bill, you make it make sense, make it make money.

He'll find it. And I had to learn that later on. But, you know, because the war report, to tell you the truth, and I say this I was telling Diego earlier or Diego brung it up and I was sitting there

and I was like yo to this day you know I knew how I knew how I knew how to not play with the budget cause of what trash

trash would be and they're like listen my dude what are y'all doing like and Martin you know because later on in Good Life and Nill I would never play with the studio because of the War Report so it was such a uh so so so much magical sessions yeah it was um what was your

favorite session Gino being a part of or seeing a boy force session one of my favorite I said Gino man you going too fast I'm kidding I'm kidding you can't do that I'm kidding you just told me something to be honest

like you can't even you can't even really like the sessions was so crazy it was more the hallway action like you know what I'm saying

like and then and then on top of that I wasn't really like official staff, so it was like you didn't want to overstep or whatever, but just seeing your guys and just doing it, and of course being part of the, when we did the reunion and NRE and all of that shit. Yo, I was going to say, Paul, I was going to say that because the hallway action was crazy. That's why when he asked you, I just zoned off.

I was like, oh shit. I remember it was a session. Was that unique? 47th Street. It's not that slitshit. 47th Street. 47th Street. 47th, 701, 47th Street and Broadway.

So, seventh floor. That seems like paradise to me. Seventh floor. 47th Street. 47th Street. 47th Street. We were 47th, 701 47th Street and Broadway. So, seventh floor. That seems like paradise to me. Seventh floor. Over some barrels. Over some barrels.

Tony Romo's across the street. So, we up in the- I didn't know that. I didn't know I used to creep over there. I used to creep over there and get a rack of beef ribs in the coleslaw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a barrel guy. Nah, I was on me.

Your buzzer was plug you and fucking- What's that called? No place. We didn't get to it. We didn't get to it. We didn't get to it. We didn't get to it. We didn't get to it. We didn't get to it. We a Sparrow guy. Nah, I was on me. Your budget was plug you and fucking... What's that called?

Shut the fuck up. We didn't get too many. We was taking the car uptown to Rio. We was taking them town cars uptown to Rio. I remember coming there, you showed me the statement. XOIC! XOIC! We were a podcast, Eric Carter.

Man, man, man! You see what I got? He tried to shoot some shit at me. No, now, now you're shaking like that. He trying to screw some shit up with you. No, yo, I was in a budget now. Studio. Neil, let's keep it Greenberry. Let's keep it Greenberry. Now, I walked into the office one day.

Neil said, Chad, I got to talk to you. You don't talk to me like that. Neil, no, you don't talk to me like that. He said, Chad, I got to talk to you. I was like, I go to the office. I go to the office, and I was like, what is this? No, man, I'm talking about the car. The trash, what is this?

I'm like, yo, what are you talking about? Yo, the budget for the car game was crazy. Oh my god. That was insane. I said, yo, man. And then he showed me, I think it had like a address and shit, like where to and the time and stuff. I said, what's the cut?

Like 24 hours. 24 hours. What the fuck are you taking this car to go three or four, man? And it was this dude. It wasn't really him. It was this dude. It was you, son. I'm crazy for that shit.

The car was there for two hours. It went to the connect to McDonald's. Get over the tribe, bro. I said, oh, son. He was working. It was crazy. I started talking to Martin about it. I thought I was low.

You were double dipping at the time. Man, I thought I was low. I thought I was low. So I'm like, yo, that little chicken wing budget is crazy. And who the fuck is all these niggas in here? So that's kind of like when he was like, yo, I'm bringing a brother. She has a lot of other little shit. I'm like, man, fuck them niggas. You ain't bringing them niggas in here? So that's kind of like when he was like, yo, I'm bringing brothers. She has a lot of other little shit.

I'm like, man, fuck them niggas. You ain't bringing them niggas to the show. Them niggas just cost 10 stacks. And chicken wings. Chicken wings. Chicken wings. We got it, brother. That was the dance, though, right?

Yeah. So OK, boom. Now we, we, was it from Flex? I know you say you didn't discover us on Funk Flex, but we did a classic monument to Funk Flex freestyle and then Nas kind of would set it off right before T. I think that's when we did the deal and am I, am I remembering this right? I ain't gonna lie, that seems kind of, I don't remember exactly that around because I remember going to see Flex.

You know what? And Biggie was there that day. No, this is later. This is later. Okay. And this is a little later because I remember just even getting him to like... Yeah, Flex was frontin' on us.

Listen to the record. He was frontin' on us. I remember. He says it to this day. He don't know. He can't be real. So I remember him frontin' on the record. He was. He was flying. I remember. He says it to this day. He doesn't know. He can't be real. So, I remember him

fronting on the record and I'm like, yo, bro, like, what is he doing? Like, you can't do this. You have to.

Black is a lot of things. He is not a liar. And he's like, when I seen him recently, he's like, Hatch Nori, what did I tell him? He be telling me all the time.

So, I'm like, yo, bro, you can't, you can't like front on this record right here. Cause cuz one you didn't ever listen to it Cuz I can tell you you don't have nothing to say about it You know how somebody who gives my son, but you want me to defend flex without defending

Oh, let me get me because in essence. I'm really complimenting it when I Yeah, because You know you give somebody something and normally if they fucked with it they're going to tell you why they're not going to fuck with it. He didn't do that. He's just like, yo, wow. So I'm like, you ain't even listen to

this shit. But I was like, alright cool. I was like, alright cool. I see how I got to do this dude. I'm going to just be in his face every time he look up. I'm not going to say nothing to him. I'm not going to ask him to play it again. He's going to just be in his face every time he look up. I'm not going to say nothing to him. I'm not going to ask him to play it again. He's going to know when he looks at me why I'm here. And I'm going to just walk away.

You know what I'm saying? So I would go anywhere he was at. I'd wait for him to break out. Where's more, eh? That's fair. I'd pop up at the tunnel. Sometimes I had no money. I'm going to keep a green berry.

But I got just enough to get a bottle. And if you went in the tunnel. Sometimes I had no money. I'm going to keep a green berry. But I got just enough to get a bottle. And if you went in the tunnel, the floor was like in. The booth was up there. And I go like this. He can't not look at me. Because he's like this. He's like, no, flex me. And he don't drink, but he's taking your bottle.

Yeah, and I want you to take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want you to take it. He's giving it to his little man. I get my bottle, and I break out to take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want you to take it. He's giving it to his little man. Give him the bottle, and I break out. Kept doing that for dumb long. And then we went up to Hot 97. Now, this is when we go to Hot 97,

and he's like, yo, y'all off to the side a little bit. And obviously, I can tell he didn't really know us, because even me, for a second, because he was like, yo, man, I don't really feel it. But you know what? That's why I say, he's official in his way. And he's a Leo like me. So he got to be corny.

You know what I'm saying? So factual. You already know. So I was like, something came to me like, there's a lot of magic in this album, man. This shit is L shit to me. When he said that, something came to my mind that happened, that I happened to be in the room. When they brung him the Wu-Tang record. I remember what he said. He was like,

yo, that's gonna never go nowhere. What Wu-Tang record? Presbyterian Act? Yes. Okay, continue. So now, I'm like, he's like, I said, yo, you said Wu-Tang wouldn't go nowhere. He was stuck. That's how he did his head too. He said, What's that?

What's that? You're from the Bronx? Oh. He said, He said, David Choo, and he fucking, that's when we went up there. And we went up there.

Big was there? No, Big was, that was at that time. Anyway, he plays the record. I ain't even front. He plays the record. And after he played the record, it wasn't T.O. and Y though. It wasn't T.O. and Y.

You know what it was? What was it? No. Nah, it wasn't even that far. Word is bomb. See, that time is shaky. I remember bomb. See, that time was shaky. I remember all that shit, but that time was shaky because a lot was going on. A lot was going on.

There was a lot of stress in the air around the time. I'm trying to understand. Because Phil woke me because slime was about to go. Slime was about to go early on. Boom, boom, boom. Huh? It was Thug Paradox. Oh, wow.

Oh, Paradox. And that's why Martin convinced me. He was like, yo, you got to put that on your album. I didn't want to do it because I didn't want to take away from my mans. I hated that record. I didn't want to take it away from my mans, but Martin fought me every day to put that. And I was like, nah, because in my mind, I didn't want people, not't want people Not trying to at the time you want to overshadow them Cuz I was like now I don't know. I gotta stop you for a little bit cuz Doug paradise was still after T.R.Y One it was still after the T.R.Y before

whatever the Drive me to see that No, Slav Because you know why? I'm going to tell you why Doug Paradise was before Me and him did it It's definitely before the album Because they forced me to get That third verse When I felt like Yeah, I remember that I felt like Doug Paradise was perfect

With just you and Poem And it was like, you know To make it a component of a Jager record I would have to get on that record He's partly right Because it was already Like Flex was already into it It was already into it

I gave him to him The mindset of a DJ It was like It had that That old school And he loved that music Right because it was already like flex already into like so many years Set of a DJ it was like It was it but it was I tell you what it was We were still working on the album. We did see a wife Oh, it wasn't in that form where we was even ready to choose a sister. That shit got shit added later, too. Yeah, because, because I,

in my mind, T.O. and Y came out first. Nah, nah. I remember that. I thought T.O. and Y came out first. It wasn't official. It wasn't official. It was three times before that.

Right, it was just out there. It wasn't official. But T.O. and Y all thought Paris. That's right, that's right. I agree with that. You got, no, hold on. That's right, I remember. But T.O. Watt came out. T.O. Watt came out. That's right. That's right. You got no hold. That's right.

I remember that. T.O. Watt came out when I was in jail. That's right. I was getting sick. Remember, I used to say, we shot the video and you were just going away. We did the same.

I was going away like a week in a week. That was the same. You were going away the same week. That's right. You were going away that weekend before we shot the video, if you remember. I want to say thank you

for crashing your car and still making it to court. Getting out and leaving your car in the hallway. T.O. and Wild was definitely after I went to jail. But Doug Paradise was definitely after I went to jail. Yeah, because we did too. I kicked the judge in the face. Kicked the judge in the face. Oh, yeah.

You really kicked the judge in the face. We had to switch actors. But I told him. But I told him. I was like, yo, I'm kind of big and actors. But I told him. But I told him. I was like, yo, I'm kind of big and shit. I don't think I should jump and run with these boots on. And I'm just going to stop on a glass top desk.

I did say that. I did say that. And he was like, nah, you'll be fine. I'm running down the aisle like this, you know, on the court. It goes like this. And I jump on the desk. But I'm supposed to fake the kick. Kick the nigga right in the mouth. I should split his whole shit up, man. That shit was crazy. I jump on the desk, but I'm supposed to fake the kick

That shit was crazy But I'm a little bit paradise shows. Yeah, I don't remember cuz I get no sign for that. So probably I Was probably like a fucking record That's like, because those are all Shaz Mons. That's like the moving parts, you know what I'm saying? Those are all moving parts. And you got to remember, in the beginning, when you do something that you don't want to do, it feels crazy. Like, I was, who did I have here? And I was telling them, Oh No was a record that I didn't like. Or was it Pusha? A$AP.

A$AP, no, A$AP Rock. It was A$AP Rock. Okay, okay, okay, do you know? I forgot. We know you put away A$AP. Come on$AP Rock. It was A$AP Rock. Okay, okay, okay, do you know? We know you put on A$AP, come on. But I was explaining it to him how sometimes you can make a record, put a budget behind it, and then

you could not like the process of not liking it. And that was pretty much what Doug Paraday stood for me. It wasn't like I made the record or had anything to do with the record, but once the record came out I kind of was like yo, let them shine. Like you know what I mean? Like it's cool.

And then when the label was forcing me to, because it was crazy because- See, so even small labels force you to do things. It wasn't- I wouldn't say force. I wouldn't say force. I'm fucking with you. I wouldn't say force. They made it make sense to me.

They said, yo listen, this is a component of every- They're persuading you. Yeah, you know what I mean? So, and I made it make sense to me. They said, listen, this is a component of every ego right here. Yeah, you know what I mean? So, and I did it, which is crazy. It's a benefit. If you really, really, really remember,

that verse that I used on Thug Paradise was the verse that I used on the original I'm Leaving. Yep. This is the original I'm Leaving. It's the same exact because I came in

and they were like, that's, that's, no. And I was like, really? And they were like, all right, cool.

So when they, Thug Paradise, I used the same exact verse. And, you know, eventually I was wrong. Yo, fam. Thug Paradise worked. Unique Studios.

Yes. Right? EZLP. Boom. Shout out EZLP. Yeah. Born. Easy LP. Boom. Shout out Easy LP. Yeah. All the trash has disappeared. We don't know where they're at.

We established that earlier. We can't really go crazy. Oh, you established earlier. Bet y'all be disappearing. What the hell? Like a mice and a hamster doing little pleasure things. Don't be blinded. Don't be blinded. Don't be blinded.

I'm at Unique. I'm speaking to you on the phone. You're like, yo, I'm at Sam Ash three blocks over. Okay, you remember. He remember. And you're like, I'm in this green ES 300. So I come over. I'm like, whose whip is this? Because I know it's not your whip. You're like, this is Nas' whip. I'm like, I'm in Nas' whip? What's going on?

And you push play on a cassette and it's I'm leaving when you just came back from messing with Dre I promise you I said things about this By the be over. Okay. Okay. Let me let me describe to you. This is this is exactly what happened. I Was in my mother's house and my mother played this record Don't let it go to your head now. Brand Newbie ended up using that. No, not at the time. No, I know, but they used that record.

I thought they used that before you. No, they used that record before. No, no, no. The time you took them out when you made them leave it, Brand Newbie has already made it. Trust me, Trash, this means way more to me. Watch me on this one. I made it first. What? Don this means way more to me. Just because you're watching me on this one. I made it first.

What, Don't Let It Go 2? No, that's their version of it. Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying, yeah. I made that version with that beat called I'm Leavin' I Will Call Easy LP. Trust me, this was my first time producing a record. I'm not wrong with this one. You used that beat? Yeah. I gotta hear this too. You on Capone? Yeah with this one. You use that get y'all. We couldn't get y'all. We couldn't get y'all. I was like, uh. I came up with my mom's script.

I heard it. She was very stressed. Doom-de-doom-de-doom. Doom-de-doom-de-doom. Hey, EZ-LP. EZ-LP said I know exactly. Because that's all I knew. It was doom-de-doom-de-doom.

Doom-de-doom-de-doom. And EZ-LP said, for some reason, I know exactly what the fucking record is. It's a classic. You should know that. You should know that. That's when we said, for some reason I know exactly what this fucking record is. Yeah, it's a classic. You know that. That's when you said, Sam asked, I see you saying that because it was right around the corner from right track. So that's what I, me and LP, we went, we did it.

The record came on. And for some reason I did. I'm leaving on the next plane. I don't know when I'll be back again. Look at me and pray for me. And tell me that you'll wait for me. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. And I remember I thought, I killed it.

I was like, I killed this shit. Kapoor walked in. He was like, yo, that shit hot. Raj walked in, too. Hours later, he was like, that shit whack. Yeah You know what you know what I'm wrong for putting it that harshly you definitely said something more but you took it you back. I heard this is whack. That's what I heard You didn't hear what you wanted to hear. That's what I was Here when he wanted to hear it. I was like, oh

Hello Capone ain't back me up I could just tell you. And then with Transay, I'm looking like, you don't remember? When we just said, you just said it was good. I said I didn't like the record. I did say it was whack. So hold on, let me just finish. Let me just finish. So I'm like, man, I know this record is good. I know this record is something, bro. I know this is something, poem, you can get incarcerated.

This is actually, if you wouldn't have said you didn't like that record, there would be no L-O-R-E. So thank you for not liking the band, nigga! Hold on, hold on. Cheers, cheers, cheers. I'm being funny.

I'm being funny. Let me just finish. I'm being funny. I am being funny. Don't take it like that. But what happened was, this was my first time because I started to understand

that Puff Daddy doesn't really produce. Puff Daddy takes something that he thinks is dope, brings it to someone, and someone helps create his vision for him. I was going to say that.

I was trying to do that. And this is what you compared it to. You said, we sample like Havoc and not like Puff Daddy. And let me just tell you something, for the moment you were definitely right.

I did say that. No, but you know what? I did say that. Yeah. And like I said, I'm not always fucking right. I can take one or two or three, four, but a hundred of those is right. I like that. I like that. My hundreds is right, so... I like that.

Wait, wait, wait. I said fucking, I said fucking just a friend was wack. Mm-hmm. I was a bad call, rest in peace, baby. That was a bad, I said fucking, just a friend was whack. I was a bad call recipe. That was a bad, I ate those words. I told Brian that he was whack. I ate those words. I'm not always right. I'm accountable for my shit.

I ain't going to throw no rock and hide my hand. But you would have made N-O-R-E regardless because it was destined for you to make it. Yes, thank you. I appreciate that. Respect that as well. But what I'm trying to tell you was, that was the motivation was because I sat there and I was like,

damn, this is a record I felt fitted on. I was ready for the Neptunes almost before the Neptunes because I was sitting back like, Whoa. Martin. Whoa. Yeah, I mean, what? I think, I think,

I think what that was is like, this is how I take it. It's my perspectives. We need it. You was like, and because you said it, too. That's why I'll admit it. You said, yo, when it's your first time venturing outside of influence, and you see your independence as a man, it's a great feeling, and you got to get that.

And I understand that. You just said it. So that was you going, oh, shit. Boom, boom, boom. I'm putting this whole shit together. And I get that now. At the time, I didn't get that. I'm just hearing what the original vision was.

So that's in my head. You know what I'm saying? And that's what got us to that point. But the vision evolves. And that's in my head, you know what I'm saying? And that's what got us to that point, but the vision evolves. And that's just fucking life. But you know, I was grateful for, because you know, next session, just like that, identical, was Bloody Money. Was, I remember Unique Studios.

I'm sorry, because I don't want to feel like I keep blowing y'all up, but y'all was doing I remember unique studios Raheem was there in the session. Put Raheem in his shit. He's on the record. Let Poe talk. Poe never talks. Let Poe talk. Your man, Aguilar, he was never late. He ain't never sticky woo. That's why I'm the phone. I said, I don't remember being late, man.

I don't want to be late, boy. Give me thank you, boy. Because, boy, you weren't there to go get him for show! Don't phone! Tell the truth! But that's late! But that's late! It's so late!

The volume don't drop me out! I'ma be honest, I'ma be honest. To tell you the truth, I know, I'ma fix him up for him. I'ma be honest with y'all, to tell you the truth, y'all was more experienced than me in the studio. So I can't say y'all took it for granted or something like that, but y'all kind of came there when y'all wanted to, when y'all wanted to. When I was there, when y'all said 5 o'clock, I would be there at 5. I would be there at 4.45 and be scared to say I was there earlier.

I can come there at 6 o'clock. I can call you and be like, yo, you at the studio? Studio's at 4? I don't need to be there at 4. I need to be there before closing to make sure it's good. I don't need to be there at 4. I gave you the right tools. I got to be there for you. I'm talking. I don Why I gotta be there for you? You still alive with us? I'm seeing your punches. I'm telling you, I don't need to be there.

Why I gotta be there? Nobody listens to that right now. I'm keeping it green. I'm like, yo, listen. OK, OK, I respect that. But don't go act like you was fucking, you know what I'm saying? No, I'm fucking with y'all. Overall.

You fucking with what you do. Overall, I'm fucking with y'all. But what I'm trying to tell you is, a lot of the solo records, let's be clear, a lot of the solo records that were made on the album from me was because I was just sitting there bored. Listen. No, it wasn't because you were sitting there bored. You were sitting there because you was hungry.

Don't make it seem like it was an accident. I'm hungry. I'm talking to you. Yes, exactly. But this bored is... Nah, you was hungry. I was being bored. You know. This board is his board. You know what? Listen, you weren't the one about to go to jail. Yes, yes, very true.

You went to jail. And now you're about to go to a real prison. You weren't the one about to go. And this man will tell you, we both was like, yo, son, you got to make records. And I'm going to keep it clean. I wasn't late even before he was going to jail He's a hard worker, right? So he's like, we've never said he wasn't, Martin. I attribute that to you, sir.

I think you said you. No, no, no, no. I could take a couple minutes to clear me. They both just said clear. You know what I'm saying? It's the same thing. Bro. Hold on one second.

Martin. Keep it green, Martin. This thing ain't show up at recessional time, bro. Because you called me a couple times. Where that at? You just said you were at Poe that day. You said you were at Day Hat. See, that means he's not excluded from Poe.

I was with him finger popping. See, why we here? No, stop letting him do that. Stop letting him do that, man. Why we here, bro? Don't go, bro. Like, I'm fucking around. You're dead ass serious.

You're dead ass serious. No, I'm dead serious. I know you dead. I'm fucking around. You're dead ass serious. You're dead ass serious. No, I'm dead serious. I know you dead serious. Don't move that finger, bud. No, I ain't gonna lie. I have to save my tokens. I have to save my tokens, man. Yo, you, Ellis, yo.

Yo, 47, 27th Street. No. You know why? I would love to go to Manhattan at that time. Oh my god. To go to Manhattan. Yo, write. Yo, you still need to rewrite the Bible.

Some shit it will make. Not me. I'll fuck you. Come on. You can't be with that parable, Bible. Not me. I'll fuck you. Come on. You can't be with that parable, man. I know. Super Shakespearean slime version. Y'all ain't kidding.

Who are you talking to, Patrick? Talking to us, man. I can't talk to the book instead. Oh, boy. This is fun. This is my side of the deal. This is my side of the deal. Oh, my god. Everyone can have their own side of the truth. Okay. I swear I wish I was new back then. You know what I fucked up on with Chase Hunt?

You see right now? Technology levels the playing field. With everything, right? I wish I would've recorded every game. He'd be, the it'd be fucking different. The studio would be fucking different. Oh my God. I could make a song make himself look amazing.

Every time, every time. It's almost as if he thinks about it before the shit even comes to the table. You scary man, you scary. You scaring me. You're scary, man. You're scary. You're scaring me. You look like he said, I'm at the studio waiting. Where you guys living?

No, I'm going to be honest. I was really blessed. I was really blessed. You know what it was? I'm going to be honest. Listen, listen. Let's just be clear. Come on.

It wasn't, no matter how much I say this, it doesn't mean if it comes off in a crazy way. But Queensbridge was privileged. Y'all had MC Sam. You keep saying this, bro. Nobody gave a shit. Y'all had Molly Wall.

Y'all had Fred G. Y'all had Orniston. Yo, let me tell you something. At the same time. Wait a minute, wait a minute. This is the same day. This is the same day. Yo, this is tell you something. Wait a minute, wait a minute. This is the same man. This is the same man. Yo, this is a War Report episode.

Listen, this is the same man. Because now this is real brothers coming in. It's not a scripted political correction. This is the same man. This is how we get him in the shit. Listen, go back a few episodes. The same man says, yo, but Queens was a nigga's hater. So when you say we had this and that we had that you you come you eat you obviously said it

I love how you put oranges and apples together. It's not gonna work though. Let me just say No See Maddie C on the hill. What other neighborhood you're going to see Maddie C, the guy who signed fucking Biggie Smalls and Marv D hanging out

in the most drug-infested corner in America. That's not normal. Because this is the time for Queensbridge now, but the artists wasn't necessarily being unified. This is why a lot was going on Because this is the time for Queens was now what the artist Wasn't necessarily being unified. This is why a lot was going on because if I went to know that though

Yeah, but but that's the reality of it. No, I'm saying like I was surprised I'm gonna say there's a lot of things happening Because they were meant to happen because it was so much back story shit going on that people don't know about. And there's certain things I'm not going to get deeply into because of my integrity level and what I am. Like, you know, I'm a journalist as well, but I'm not going to go too deep in certain things because we're friends, we're family. But it was a lot of behind the scenes shit going on that people didn't realize. And to me, if that weren't there things could have went different directions they obviously went where they were supposed to be factory but there was a lot of work because you know i'm looking at we looking at working with have but it's other

shit going on with other people in his camp with my people so to speak and no like that's why I gotta say You know, I gotta thank Nas Thank you, brother. Yes. I gotta think I gotta think nice to get no calm down All these things are moving parts. I gotta think have it because even with a lot of bats sit back sit going on Still shows his brother. Hold on as far as brother As far as his brother, hold on. As far as his brother, as far as us, with his kind of like, you know, his entourage,

so to speak. Yo, the bro still came through for me. Us. We asked him to. And when you look at that in retrospect, compared to now,

that's an amazing thing. For this to happen, it's amazing. Don't forget that, bro. Because shit could have gone. It could be a lot of alternate realities and endings for people. Don't forget that. That shit is real important, man.

You know what I'm saying? Like, shit could have. That's like a fucking. How many times has that happened? Like, the universe just came together. Not to get too deep, but it's reality. Like, all of these things going on that y'all don't even know about but niggas still showing up God's got feelings towards each other for deep shit, but still showing up. That's deep to me

It's beautiful cuz you got this amazing, right? Behind the mask here Yeah, and the conference room. The conference room. That's the first one. I thought that was Buck. We were all wrong. We were all wrong. She kind of came up with that whole concept. And the conference room was a joint. I remember that. Wow.

And what's the story here? Who's the traitor? I know all that. Reveal it. Reveal it. That's what I even said. Who's the traitor? That's a beautiful

That's a beautiful song. Alright, here. Half stop, one half pull. Alright, so by the way, this is what a lot of people don't know. Alright. One, we begged

Queensbridge niggas not to come into the left rack niggas' pitch. Who's the one nigga that's in both pitches? This is 25 years old secret. You don't know who's in both pitches? You should know, brother. So that was a joke? The traitor part? No, no, no, that's the traitor part. How did you call him a traitor?

This thing is crazy! No, he called him a traitor. You're crazy! No, no, no, no. I know what I'm saying. You don't hear what I'm saying. Betrayal! We took took the picture, we said everybody from QB, you may say you stay on your QB side. Everybody from left rack, they say you stay on their left rack side.

There's one person in this whole thing that is involved. I'm so glad no one knew this shit. I thought this was... I didn't know. I was one of the... I went to the art director. I was there. That's what I'm so glad no one knew this shit. I thought this was... I didn't know. I was one of the... You know, I went to the art director. You know, I was there. That's a deep signification right there.

Okay, look, look, look. I swear it was... No one knows? I swear. You don't know what it is? I swear it was something. It's your cousin, sir. Bottom left?

It's your cousin, sir. Bottom left? Yes, yes. I just said that. I just said that. What's the cousin, sir. Bottom left? Yes, yes. I'm calling. I just said that. Bottom left. He's in the middle. What's his name again?

What's his name again? No! What's his name again? Wally. See Wally on Queen B. And then in the middle. And then Wally. All right.

I keep him up. Where? I keep him up. Bang-da-bop. All right. So. But he's not going to trade. No, he's going to trade. He's going to trade. He's going to trade. He's going to trade. He's going to trade. Where? Rocky Mimo! Banga-Bang! All right. So.

So. But he's not a traitor. No, he's not a traitor. That's why I said, what? It starts from there. It starts from there. That's the story? Yeah, it starts from there because.

This thing is crazy. Fuck me up with that. I'm gonna do it. It's the origin story. Let's go. So I'm gonna get, what's the art director's name? He went away. Eric? Eric. It's eric's oh

the art director from uh war report um eric he's very he's he's he's don't doing his thing he's very very successful yeah it's really successful it's all nice and by the way he kept working with us just because of this he was just like yo I'm blowing up way beyond this shit now. I'm way beyond messing with y'all, but I'm going to still fuck with y'all because of the love we got. So what happened was... That's Eric. Yeah, Eric. Aidenburg?

Altenburg? Yeah, yeah. Altenburg. Altenburg, that's right. So what happened was... After I came to him and he showed me he showed the picture someone from my hood took the stand or I don't know if he took the stand or word is he snitched on that I look at my inside of my album cover I'm like wow I can't do this

he said wow Eric resists me Wiley Wiley he goes Wiley is in both pictures

we got bigger problems and we eventually forgot about Wiley and we just but he said so so we was, obviously, because it was my fault, I mean, excuse me, it was my problem,

so they probably didn't reach out at all. And he hit me and said, why don't we silo him out? And I was like, silhouette him out. And I was like, what does that mean? Like the coke bottle thing? Like when they do the girls, the girls in black? He's like, yes, like that. And I was like, all right, cool.

And then he sent me an image, and it was like gray at first. Then the next image was black. And then the next image, he sent it, and he put snitch on it. And I was like, damn, because we don't really know if he snitched. We know he gave up information. He snitched. No, but we didn't know if he full-fledged was dead. And then they was like, all right, cool.

So he said, how about traitor? And I was like, that's perfect. And we if he full fledged was dead. And then they was like, all right, cool. So he said, how about Trader? And I was like, that's perfect. And we went there, and that was it. But we never actually corrected the real mistake. Jesus, my God. Which is your cousin. It's not my character. It's Convict, though.

It's Joey. This nigga isn't just me and him. It's not Frank and QB. Me and him for a heap of college. That's a good one. That's a good one right there. That's a good one. You know who fucked up? Bitch, y'all didn't know that. Nah.

I'm not fucking with you. You never know. You never know. I'm not fucking with you. You're crazy. The fuck them shit is that we didn't know it. Listen, I'm going to be honest with y'all. This whole time, I'm thinking y'all good at action.

No. No. No. No! No Wally, that wasn't. You gotta remember. You gotta remember. Right. No. You gotta.

You know this thing is. No! You know this thing is. Right. Wally Cloud. You took this very role. I just took this role. Yeah.

You did too. I just took this damn role. Amazing. This is where it all starts. It's how it looks. No. It's how it looks. You did too. I just thought it was that role. Amazing. That's where it all starts. It's how old. No, it's how it looks. It's how it looks. You described it.

Everybody else. No, no, no. You described it. Ew. That was genius. What I was smiling at. Look. You crazy.

OK, OK. Because the trader was the original question. Am I wrong? Yeah. When you figure it. But the trader would have. He didn't know what the wild guy was. He didn't realize.

I didn't meet with him because of the trader. I met with him because he said, I got? Yeah. When he feel it. I did it with the Wild N' Out. You gotta realize, I didn't meet with him because of the traitor. I met with him because he say, I got a problem. You gotta remember, he's in the middle of the hood, left, right, and Queensbridge. And remember, he brung sand. Because there was no sand. He had a sick one. So we in the middle of left, right, and Queensbridge, and he's making sand. And niggas is sitting around like, what the fuck is he doing?

This nigga's a loose freak. Who the fuck he think he is This thing is a loose grip. Who the fuck do you think he is when he's standing in the beach? That's his shit, right? Standing in the streets. You know what I mean? This thing is a loose grip.

I know what he is. So that's what I'm saying. I'm not even sure if you got to pick out the CNN pictures. I know you got to pick out promo pictures. I remember that. It's one of my favorite memories, me and you sitting around with Anice, picking out us with Anice on.

We thought we was fly. I thought y'all was fly when you got the Maverick. No, we definitely was fly. That was after that. That was after that. It started with Anice. So did you get to pick out the War Report pictures? I mean, I got to see the prototypes,

but I didn't get the actual. Pick them? Remember, I was getting stickers on notebooks. So don't tell me you are so a trader you saw that live or you student you knew that because nearly you and I was pretty long when it work on notebooks because you can't have stickers in jail. So they would send me a black and white notebook and send me proofs to approve like you like this, like this.

Yeah, yeah yeah yeah so i had 10 15 black and white notebooks in jail but actually my prototype you know what's crazy about you is um and i didn't realize this to the other day um like you were becoming a star and then as you became a star you were in i was i was just saying say that, another question. I was talking to Solo from Schoolboy. So Kyron and shit. Right, yeah, he got some shit coming too. But he was like,

he was like, yo son, like besides Slick Rick, which is ill because Slick Rick made it, then he went to jail. Porn is like probably the first one making it in jail. It came home to the situation. Most dudes come home to a burnout

and career's over. Matter of fact, he is the first one. Can you describe what a burnout is? A burnout is basically you're at your best. You get locked up and you come home

and you fizzled out because you can't keep up with the pipeline you know what I'm saying so I call it you know what I'm saying so

he's the first nobody even looks at that he's the first one to do that because I thought about Slick Rick too when Kyron was talking to me

Solo was talking to me I'm like nah Slick Rick ain't even really do that because Slick Rick was made already Boom wasn't necessarily made. So to me, that was kind of ill.

That gives another interesting dynamic to his career because nobody else did that before him. How did you feel behind bars? You know what's the crazy thing, though? When the alley-oop came, it changed my whole life because it started in jail. Like my success, his success started in the street, mine started in jail. The COs start treating me different.

The niggas start treating me different. And when you say COs, good or bad? No, both. I was in the box. How many times I was, you know, like at the end of the day, it's, you know, same shit, but. You still felt the success in there? Yeah. Because at the end of the day. You finished with this know, same shit, but... You still felt the success in this? Yeah. Yeah.

Because at the end of the day... You finished with this? This is done? That's why you put it on there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, my bad. Okay, all right, cool. And for me, as an independent label, so I didn't even know that you had a case.

Right. So, like, we're recording... We're in size white. Okay, this was... We're in bad one, bro. Hold on, hold on. We kept that out. We're counting to one.

What the hell's going on here? One, two, three. Awww. I'm so sorry, man. He's got to go away for a little bit. By the way, by the way. The point is me, I could have helped. I could have helped the process a lot. We could have stayed down the house when he was ready to get sentenced. We could have taken that chance.

Wait, so Tyrone, you out of here. I know you would have helped now. Hold on, hold on. We could have taken that chance. Hold on, hold on. We could have taken that chance. Hold on, hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We could have sat down and checked that chance when he was ready to get sentenced. We could have checked that chance. Wait, so, Tom, I know you want to help now. Hold on, hold on. We couldn't take that chance.

What the hell is going on here? Neil, you crashed your car on the highway, got out your car, and still made it to my car. A brand new Infiniti at that time. Brand new. Thanks for going to jail. Let me tell you a story in terms of every time. I see no story. So, how did you find out? Was he in jail? I'm telling a story in terms of Arizona now.

I'm telling a story. So how did you find out? Was he in jail? No, he wasn't in jail. It was like a weekly. We thought that he passed it over. We thought that he passed it over. Post-mortem jail.

So I couldn't tell. Sounds like some bad ass. I thought he was dead away. Fucking asshole. Yo. You better close out. I'm sorry. I could at least try it,

but I didn't know what was going on. So finally, you know, he's being sentenced. So I was going to court. I'll never forget this day. So I smashed my car,

got in a cab, made it to the courthouse. And you left the car. I left the car. Right on the highway. I show up, and there's this judge, this gray-haired guy. It's like a really conservative guy. And he's ready to be sentenced.

And I said, excuse me. The attorney said, you're someone that wants to say something to the judge. So I said, hi, my name's Neil Levine. I have a hip-hop label. That must have came out of the field. And he's part of the group, Sopona Noriega. Oh, they must be a rap group. I said, yeah, as a matter of fact, you know, they rap.

And so I pleaded to him, I said, you know, we're finishing up the War Report album. And I said, well, can you not take it today? Because we need to shoot a video. I'm so excited to see the live. Thank you. We're still finishing the record. And so we gave this more time.

Then the judge got sick. So the one week turned into what? Like months. Months. Like three months later. So we're able to finish the bulk of the album. We're able to shoot the video. But it was just crazy.

It was crazy. Crazy time. So here we are 25 years later talking about this. It's crazy, crazy time. So here we are, 25 years later, talking about this. It's a classic. Classic. Classic 50s. Well look, well look, well look. I wanna say one thing.

The realest alley-oop that changed everything was when MTV came to jail to interview me. When he dropped N-O-R-E. That changed my life, bro. Like, they didn't believe me. Like, they didn't believe it until it was real. Like, That changed my life, bro. Yeah, yeah, for sure. They didn't believe me. They didn't believe it until it was real. When Pac, they knew Pac.

So when MTV came to interview Pac, it was nothing big. But imagine a nigga like me that got an underground album that niggas is hearing, niggas buying the cassettes, but then MTV motherfucking V come to the jail.

Yeah, that's a little about it. I was Tupac, nigga, a year later. Mind you, I was Tuppop a year and a half later. The nigga that I interviewed the first time was pop. Nigga that interviewed the second time was me. St. Joe Collins? No, no, different gym. Different gym.

Pop was in clean. Pop was in clean. Pop was a man. He was a medium. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, nah. That shit was way different. Way different. That's when Neil let me call 30 times a day you know that was Gino. I ain't know that was Gino. I just showed up. And you had an office. And for some reason, Gino had an office. When I remember D-Ferg, I remember me first meeting D-Ferg through you and my friend D-Boss.

And I can't remember whether it was you who told me to go to D-Ferg and get the shirts or was it D-Boss who told me to get the shirts and you co-signed and said, yo, that's the prequel to go to? Which shirts though? I thought it was the NRE. It was the NRE shirts. NRE, yes. It was the NRE shirts.

At first I thought it was the black and yellow War Report shirts, but then I realized, no. So it had to be after Capone was in jail, correct? Yeah, it was after. But it was like, I forgot how it came out. I think I was talking to you and Carolyn about it. Because Carolyn just took over marketing or something. Right.

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Boom. Neil. Martin, I imagine Martin and Mayhem. I'm telling you. Because somehow I and Tragic probably could attest to this I have no idea

what happened with T.L. and Y we threw it out I did not feel like the record reacted but this is me talking to you now as an experienced person

that knows how a record is supposed to react but back then I did not feel that I felt like the record was a dud I felt but then out of nowhere supposed to react, but back then I did not feel that. Probably the record was a dud, but then out of nowhere people were saying

they're hitting people with a tunnel. In the head with T.O. for T.O.M.Y. right. Because this is how it felt to me I'm an outsider looking in, you guys are actually the analytical people, but hold on let me finish this let me try to make my point and then you turn in. It felt like there was months that went by where T.O.Y. was actually playing, but it wasn't months that went by where it actually was successful as a record. Then it actually became

successful and it felt regional because we had no internet. We had no idea that they were doing this. What was going on on the other side? In North Carolina. In order for it to get back into time. It took me to travel to be like, wait a minute, maybe I do have, maybe we do have something. Right. When was the time that you guys knew that maybe this, maybe we have something?

So remember, we were going to release another record, right? That's right. It was Closer. That's right. Right? So before all of that, we had an internal office. And that back conference room. Yeah, that back conference room.

Do y'all think about Closer or do y'all think about the whole album? And you have the whole album or you have predominantly most of the album at this time? We had the whole album. We had the whole album. It was my shooting video. You have predominantly most of the album with this So but then there was memory memory memory Like and she was like if y'all go closer y'all gonna kill them

She's like that record is crazy. I need to go with you and why she was adamant about it She was so adamant a family. You told so adamant. That's a fact. Wait a minute, you told me a woman? Yeah, a woman. Yes. A woman picked the hardest? Yes. Give it up for Marie, man. Yo, give it up for Marie. We gotta give her our applause because we were really thinking.

And then when she said it, it totally made sense of y'all, what we was really trying to do. It summed up what they were. And then the process of making that record, making it with Nasheem and all that, that whole part, it was dope. They knew how to make records. You brought Nasheem to the table. But if you listen to T.O.N.Y. and you hear in the background, Rest in Peace, that was my barber.

I went to Cuddy's one day on Ponson Hillside, and I was getting a haircut. I was in a chair, and we had a session right before that to go to Hip Factory. No, no, no, no, Puffin Studios. Daddy's house. Talk to me, I'll talk back. So, boom, I was getting a haircut. Rest in peace, my man Sean Brown. He started saying something,

You are everything. He's got a crazy old school, why ain't nobody garbage can shit while he cut my hair. And I'm like, and I just heard him going, Allah who act by Allah. So I said, yo, come to the studio and say this in the background. He's like, what?

And I said, but we did it. Remember? He came in, but I wanted it so low that you couldn't really make out what he was saying. Damn sure I did that. I remember this. And I got to thank Dr. Dre because Dr. Dre gave me that, like, let me start putting moving parts and sounds in the music. So then my little man was like, yo Son, I ran to the violin. Yeah, man

Wow He's like, oh you gotta listen to the shit. I'll try don't all I want but the, I don't give a fuck. No, no, listen, listen, listen, listen. For real, I'll tell you. I don't know you. Hold on, hold on, time out, time out, time out. I don't know this boy, because you probably take his story right now. What I'm saying is, guys, the violence. Time out.

I've never heard that. If not, you probably. It's crazy. Listen, you didn't write everything. I wrote everything. You didn't write everything. What am I saying, right. What did I write? What did I write?

Let's check it out. What did I write? Yo, listen. Jesus. What? Jesus lost. So look. So boom.

Now me and Ashim was talking. Now Ashim put it in. The violin. Yeah, now Ashem put it in. The violin. Yeah, Nasheem put that in. The violin. Yeah, but we was just throwing shit around like, yo, my man could know what it was. It was Agent 2-5. It was Agent 2-5.

Little light skinned nigga. Yeah, so what, but he had a great concept. Listen, I'm telling the truth, man. I ain't taking no from nobody because I've got minds. I put minds in. It was Agent 2-5. That was the truth man. I ain't taking no from nobody cuz I've got mines. I put mines in. It was Agent 2-5 That was my little man said yo son I'm into a violinist. You know people that play instruments on the train Yeah, Agent 2-5 said a violinist So I said why you why you he was like I don't know violinist ill so we spoke to Nashim and Nashim put that in me

That's facts get Nashim on the phone I mean but you gotta understand name on that she miss under puff puff me yeah those producers his mindset and making records was crazy so that was an experience within itself like you know No, that was not That was a big thing That was privacy That was downtown What studio was that? With the T-O-N-Y It was all about radio at that point, right?

This is the opposite of radio You didn't have internet So, okay, we have to shoot a video We gotta get it on radio We serviced radio It's like, no We can't play this record They didn't have, you know, so, okay, we have to shoot a video. We got to get it on radio. It was radio. We serviced radio. It's like, no. It's like, we can't play this record.

And so it took a while. I mean, Nick Shows played it, right? So the video played, but it took a while. It made commercials. It went commercial or something. I don't know what it was. It was. To a point.

Not crazy commercial like how you work commercial records. Before that record was way commercial. But she was like, yo, this is these guys, right? And like, if y'all go with this, y'all going to take them out of their zone. So I was like, this is it, right? The reason why I signed you guys is because of that reason. We wanted to see a one-wide.

That's what we wanted. And that set the tone and changed the trajectory of everything. But then you think it was like a label, and you're figuring out this is how we get the radio, ultimately. This is how we get the radio. We wanted to see a win. Why that's what we wanted and that set the tone And you're figuring out this is how we get the radio ultimately this Was a clock inversion correct, that's right Sam Snead's he did the remix That was afterwards. Remember, I didn't even go in with the remakes. And that chord that Sam Snead wrote. And that is so true.

We tried to work so hard. You guys working a bunch of records. I was like, nah, that's not it. Y'all had to press this shit up. Y'all pressed this. Kapombo and the Jets. Y'all pressed mad records up. I had to force Kapombo to do that record.

Don't lie, Poe. Nah. Don't lie, Poe. You did. You did. Because I was like, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm point to do that record don't laugh oh

You said that this need to be you that's who you are Now that like this Just throughout making the record I mean it was all the drama just throughout making the record. I mean, it was so much drama, and you listen to the record today, and you really get it. I mean, it's a special record. It's a really, it's not manufactured.

You guys really had a commercial record, like commercial success? No. I should've been closer. You thought closer was, if you wanna win closer. Listen, listen, all these records are underground. That was the label saying we need a radio record. You're the label. No, I'm the A&R. You're the label, too. I closer. Listen, listen. All these records are underground. That was the label saying we need a radio record. You're the label.

No, I'm the A&R. You're the label, too. I'm the label, too. Bro, the A&R's the label. But what I'm saying is, like, right, so the balance is this, right? So you got to, like, the artist has a vision. And you came to me with a vision. It's like, all right, this is what we're going to try to see through, right?

But then there's also, like, all right, yeah, we want some commercial success. We're going to try to make this record. That's why we did a lot of those remixes. But the thing that would've, we came back to the core of what CNN was, and that's what TNY. And that's what she called out. When she said that, I was like,

that makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense, and then that's what we went with, TNY. And that set the tone. That was the tone. To be honest, if I sign an artist right now, I'm not going with T.O.I. But,

but listen, if you want a foundation, that was my call. That was a time, that was a time, there was a time and place for that. But that's probably

why it would work. Because you wouldn't go with it. 25 years later, we're talking about it, right? Yes, yes. You know, it's 1 million percent correct because what I'm trying to say is

the thing about penalty what makes penalty and I'm going to give it to penalty in its totality, is that it had to be you guys together sitting there and saying that. Traj is happy, and you stop me if I'm wrong,

is happy getting us out the hood. Like, yo, fuck it. You know what? Maybe if we pick a wrong record or not, but if we get them out the hood, that's a success. Me, if I get out the hood, that's that's a success me if I get out the hood that's a success you if you get out the hood that's a success what what what major I say let's keep it real with the hood because I'm easily easily like right now if I

have a five artists right now and she or he wants to go away, the commercial success that I can identify with personally, me, I know what Super Thug did. I know what Oevi Kondo did. I know what Homeboy did. I know what certain records did. Fuck What Us did for me. But I don't know what this record can do. But you said a key word there, right?

Super Thug. Think about that. That sound, that sonic, that sound. It was a transition. That was when we heard that record. And remember, we came to Miami to do that record, right? You said, yo, I'm gonna wait until I get to Miami to do that record. That was when we went to Miami.

I was getting the head. But T.O.M.Y. That's the main focus. Because to me, that wasn't, that was traditional underground New York. But we that was traditional underground New York. But we did that traditional underground New York and went for ads. Well, the thing is, from my background around the globe, I had N.W.A. and E.T.E. and all these. That's what I'm talking about.

We weren't concerned about what was happening. So we weren't trying to turn you into something that you weren't. And the Arizona corporate. That's Matt and Paul. And the Arizona conference allowed it. I think that's mad and poor. I want to say this again. When I said, he just brought up the whole scenario of when I went into the office, you go in, the conference room was in the back. He caught me in the conference room first. You guys came in later.

And when you came in the door, the stereo was right here. And the table was here. Never forget because I went around to the end of the table. I was like, what this motherfucker got for me now, man? Because he was always coming. And I'd be like, damn, now I don't. But later on, a lot of those things turned out to work out. But I didn't see that vision.

But when he said we want to go with T, I didn't choose that single. But when he said they want to go with T andO.Y., I was like, yo, they understand. Because while you're making the project, you know, like, I didn't see everything until I heard it in the body. I don't know if that's making sense. Yeah, it makes sense. Like, I had to hear the body to know, all I, you know what I'm saying? Like, when you're doing a project, some people go in and they specifically make this type of thing over there. Right. Like, we were making a project, like we were talking about before.

Full body of work, right. Yeah, where it was like, you embrace Snoop. You embrace DMX. You embrace Pac because they bring you into their world when you do a body of work you're bringing the people into your world when you formulate

and set up singles you're catering a little more to them and it could work your life span may be different it depends on what your goal is you may want to

bang out and make a formula and get it I don't know what your goal is but when you make a body a work it becomes a timeless piece. Because within that body of work, you identify with who you are.

You give the world a piece of yourself. That's why I respectfully, and I'm going to say this, I love Biggie, man. I knew Biggie. I didn't know Pop. But they both taught me something. Pop gave you a piece of his vulnerabilities.

I believe Big ain't really have enough time to give you all of his self. He had a great influence over him. Puff. But yet and still, there was an influence. So you didn't really get all of Big. Pop was kind of like alone at times. So you got on with Pop. And I think with this

Related to T.O.Y What I always tell the artists I need to hear a song That identifies you T.O.Y was their ID Like your fucking driver's license It identified everything It was the total sum of everything

If that makes sense That's what I want They wouldn't work on a commercial, on a major record label. T.M. One. Nope. It would have never happened at a major record label. We could take the chance because we have the passion.

Just like Protect Your Neck wouldn't have worked anywhere else. Passion. I got a question for you, Traz, real quick. Hearing you talk, hearing the passion that you talk talk even when these records first came out look this record right here in particular was your record right? yeah

it felt like you were ushering in Capone and Noriega I was that was what I had to do but hearing everything did you feel Capone and Noriega

was Capone and Noriega in tragedy was that really a group in your mind I did feel that way I did feel that way at the time because I felt like

I had to make up for him I feel like I had to make up for him. I felt like I had to cover for him because he wasn't listening. I'm like, yo, you about to go in? I'm dead ass, man. Fuck. You got to go in and do some songs because it's going to just, it might as well not be a CNN album. It's going to be a Nori album. He's working.

You got to go in and do some songs. That's why it was hard but he wound up doing Capone Ball but he probably might not have did that. His mind was, he knew he had to go do time

and he was just, yeah. If he had been here, you would have taken more of the executive role. Totally. Totally. But him going,

you know, you had to step back. Let's keep it green. I didn't want to rhyme. Right. I didn't want to rhyme but I'm glad knew you had to step back. Let's keep it green. I didn't want to rhyme. Right. I didn't want to rhyme. But I'm glad because... You can't say two verses

in one song. I had to. You wouldn't do one. You would do the other one. I'm staying out of this one. You know what I'm saying? I'm crying. I've been this whole time.

That's right. I'm crying. I'm okay now. That's a good word, baby. All the time. No, it was... Thanks for asking that. That's a deep question. It was.

It was put eloquently. That's what I said to him. He's kind of nice. He's kind of good with his shit. So for me, you know, by the time I signed CNA, and I've been doing this for a long time already, but in my career, it's probably the most special project

that I've ever been associated with. And that's why we're here. And you listen to it now. I was in the studio a few weeks ago and with a bunch of drill rappers and they're talking about their shit. I said, you got to hear the war record. I started playing.

I started playing. It's like, you know, so I'm really proud Yeah. It's so cool. It's so cool. It's like, you know, so I'm really proud of you guys and proud to be talking about this 25 years later. It's amazing to me. But we're proud of you guys. We're proud that you guys

was a part of our journey, my journey, all of our journey, and we want to give y'all y'all flowers and y'all real time to y'all face. And let's not forget about me and my mother.

We're gonna talk to you guys. Hey, come on. Where's everybody? Hey, hey. I want to say to you again, Martin. Yeah. Yeah. You know, as I look back at things, I might have been a little rough around the edges, but I got to be... No, I'm serious. I'm a man. I want to be...

What the fuck you want? Get him out, buddy. Get him out, motherfucker. Get him out. Get him out. Oh, shit. We gonna be man. I wanna be, I wanna, get the fuck up. Get him up, buddy, get him up, motherfucker. Get him up, you on service. You gonna be here, you on service, brother. Tragedy. Oh, that's what's up. Oh, okay. Oh wow, that's nice.

They ain't got no flowers, man. You know what I mean? Oh, man. You're crazy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah! You know, and you know it wouldn't be complete if we didn't give flowers to the one that gives flowers to my man. Yeah! I don't like to take flowers.

But, you know, um, you know, I just want to say something. Um, because this whole journey is beautiful for me. Thanks. You know, even discrepancies and all that shit. Like, if I thought about it the other day, and I probably wouldn't change much.

Like, if I said, yo, do it all over again, I probably wouldn't change two things it's just if I could and in retrospect it doesn't matter yeah it brought us here from us to this happy moment that's's why today, Traj, you know, I might have called you today more than I ever called any grown man in my life. It's okay. And it's because, one, I do listen to the fans.

And sometimes when I listen to the fans and the fans and we'll say something like the War Report, why are you going to, you know, pick up the War Report without picking up Traj? Impossible. No, the War Report. Why are you going to, you know, pick up the War Report without picking up trash? Impossible.

No, the War Report is me and Capone. It's your baby. Thanks. And it's everyone's baby. That's a fact. Me and Capone are actually the parents under us

sounds a little crazy. Okay. I like that. No, it sounds a little crazy. It's okay like that. No, it sounds a little crazy. It's okay. It's all right. But it's also

everyone's thing. You know, I listened to it the other day. I listened to it today. I listened to it and it's really a masterpiece.

It's really a classic. It's really something that stood out to the test of time. And what's funny as hell about it is when I made that album, we made it.

We collectively made it. Because if I say that shit, whoa! You see that shit right there? You're not going to say it. I'm saying it together because that's what

I'm talking about. there? I'm saying together because that's what it's all about. I know, I know. I'm talking back. But what I'm saying is, when you what? I really despise this guy named Bumpass. And it wasn't nothing personal. He was representing the exact opposite of who we would represent. We would be some dirty Tim's scuffed gum under the tank.

Kicking judges in they noses. Shooting. Hey, man. I'm waiting. You're waiting, right? Man, here's this guy, exact opposite, I'm waiting. You're waiting, right? I'm waiting to do something.

Here's this guy, the exact opposite. And for us to come back 25 years later and to be sitting here with the people behind the scenes, people that was in front of the scenes, people that lived the scenes, for us to, you know, be able to sit here and have drinks,

it's a beautiful thing. Life goes on. I got to meet Martin's son. I would like to meet your wife officially. I met your wife. I met his wife finally. This is beautiful. This is actually grown man shit.

And it's not what we signed up for. We signed up for everyone just for their own self you know this is why this show drink chance is so beautiful is because that it's not really about me and you and finn it's about giving everyone else right and for us to sit down right now this is just a beautiful moment it's amazing it's amazing i personally made these phone calls it's like a natural high bro there's not. It's amazing to me. I personally made these phone calls. It's like a natural high, bro. There's not one person that can say, yo, you know what? I called everyone individually.

I wanted everyone to be here, and I wanted everyone to get their flowers, which y'all actually are getting, because it's real. It is. If it wasn't for Mayhem, Mayhem is in my most famous skit ever. Mayhem is a solid dude, man. Mayhem is a solid dude, man. Mayhem was there. And, you know, been a part of it.

Geno has been a part of it. Then Geno went on and, you know, helped discover ASAP Rocky. And I said it in front of ASAP Rocky. Appreciate that. and you know help discover ASAP Rocky and I said it in front of ASAP Rocky appreciate that uh Neil as much things as you you you've done Mar and as much things you've done and and and trash and will have triple bypass surgery or something like that yeah no but I had a serious surgery at serious you look good man what up look good brother had cancer, and I beat it. Good shot, man. You know what I'm saying?

That's some real shit right there. Real shit, man. And so what I want to say is... But hold up. Yeah. You and EFN met because of penalty. I didn't know that. Well, I was actually thinking about...

I was taking the phone calls you get him through the phone don't tell me this oh yes well that's a new book he was trying to he was he was trying to get records and book a show I was after actually that was right after I met him okay yeah but remember when it hurt when you first came to that because, because that story is ill. I met you, and you came to my store. It was you were on the promo run for CNN, and Poem was locked up. Wow.

And Phil the Mayor, local promoter, brought them. Because back then, you had to go do in-stores when you're doing runs in the club. And I was one of the few. We had Crazy Goods, one of the few hip-hop stores. And, you know, we started. So, putting on the shirt. Uncle Lodge came through. Crazy Hood shirt.

He threw on the shirt. He did the freestyle with the mixtape. You're right there in the background. And then I called, you know. You're right there in the background. Then I called penalty because I was like, I got to get down with these dudes because y'all show much love. And then how did that phone call come? Yeah, it was funny because.

That's crazy you knew that, you know. That's crazy. You know, it was because I was always taking phone calls. So Poe always called, and when his shit ran out, boom, you know, he'd bang it. Yo, I'm going to call you back in five minutes. Then I got the call. Poe was running it up. Oh, yeah.

Poe was running it up. He still always runs. He used to make calls. So then when he called the EFA call, and I was like, this ain't Poem. And I was like, yo, who's this? And then he was like, yo, I'm a DJ. No, just me just being me. We just connected over the phone.

And whenever he needed records, he wanted freestyles. And then he was like, yo, I want to book a show. And I was like, fuck it. We're going to make it happen. Which went through violator no look that show was your first NRA show out here yeah and it was through violator and then the white lady but they called me a week before and said someone else is trying to book him I just set the deposit that someone else was Khaled. Wow. Wow. And I was like, hell, I just sent my motherfucking deposit. We doing the show.

Yeah, wow. I remember that. That's hell. Him and Khaled had beef, too. That was some goddamn, right? No, man, that's my dog. That's my dog. That's homestay.

That's homestay. But Gino always took care of me. Martin always took care of me. The whole team took care of me, always, man. Martin, I know that I was always blowing you up for freestyles and everything. Then I did the Pwn Home show. You guys had me take care of me always, man. Martin, I know that I was always blowing you up for freestyles and everything. Then I did the Pone Home show. You guys had me take care of it here in Miami.

That shit was ill. It's always been a family. So forever, he was always there for us. She'd already be connected, you know what I'm saying? She'd already be down the line already. Like Nas album was written, you know what I mean? For me, it's really full circle. To see this right now, it's just amazing.

I agree. I mean, the War Report lives on. Live long, live strong. Yeah, man. And let's just think over time, right? We can't fully claim

an EZ-LP, right? Because EZ-LP was already out. But God gave it up to him. He gave you classic. like fully claim like an EZ-LP, right? Because EZ-LP was already out. But, he gave you classics. Clark Kent, but, this is new to this. And then from that,

comes a Swiss Beats. Yeah. Comes a Pharrell. Yeah. You know, comes a Drink Champs. Yeah. Right.

Comes a Reggaeton. And there's going to be more, right? We got kids, we got fans. Yeah, it's going chance. Man. Right. Comes the reggaeton. And there's going to be more, right? We got kids. We got family. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And it's going to keep going. I like that.

I like that. That's what I'm talking about. It ain't just about us. It ain't just about us. It ain't just about us, man. We got babies. They're going to take us further. I know yours is, mine's is.

It says we going to all. My son is working on a set right now. That's my guy's son, man. That's my guy's son. Get that, sweetie. My son is working on a set right now. That's my guy's son, that's my guy's son. My son is working on a set, yeah. That's my guy's son. My son working on a set. We got a lot of people wearing furs, man.

We got a lot of people wearing furs. He's 21, man. He's telling, he's telling. You know I know., but, you know. He's telling, he's telling, you know. You know, I know. Good kid, good kid. But, you know, I want to just, in case I individually, you know, one by one. You know, no problem.

In case I didn't individually, one by one, you know, thank everyone. Because that's important. Is the journey. I see people so much times and they talk about the beginning. They talk about the end. And they forget the journey. The journey is what makes you. You know what I'm saying?

What builds you. Journey's you. The Journey's life. The Journey's life. Yeah. Oh, the Journey's life. You're not breathing. Yes. More heartbeat, more sunshine. That road made me run, but it's a fucking road, Jack.

It's probably the hardest album. It's probably the hardest thing I've ever been a part of. But it's also the foundation of everything I've been a part of. So making the War Report album, it was hard. I mean, getting on the train, hopping out of cabs and shit. You don't know when you start to feel like the man, but you got to hide it. And you got to go and be like, man man i'm about to do a record with naz because you on the art trade i know that i know how that feels bro see that defines character bro yeah everybody want to make it but what the fuck you willing to do to make it what can you do bad

how hard will you go like how much I know how far you'll go I know how far you'll go Yeah How far you willing to fight man Sacrifice That's right Because Anybody can talk this shit

A lot of times man We do things man Especially You know not to jump off I gotta be intelligent Especially with these kids We do things To

To kind of like Up over The next man. Right. But not really because we want validation. But real like, to me,

real achievement is looking at yourself and pulling that shit out when nobody's in the bleachers cheering for you. Can you do that? I can do that. Can you keep going

when everybody else is going like this? Mm-hmm. That's championship to me. You know what I'm saying? So when I see this right here, I think about all the times losers going through crazy shit. Damn near dying. Just everything's going.

But you want everything to go right. Right? You want everything to go right. But it is going right. It is going right. You know what I'm saying? It is going right. I'm going to take me to a Japanese deli, y'all. I ain't fucking with you. I'm going to the bathroom, man. You can go to the bathroom at any time.

We don't want anybody to be kidnapped or nobody. No, no, no. I'm a professional. I'm going to hold it down. You know, I was going to the bathroom every time. I'm drinking beer. I'm a bathroom-holic. Yo, son. I was like, yo, bottle of beer. I'm drinking beer. He's drinking beer. He's drinking 15,000 drinks. I've got to say this. I'm a bathroom-holic.

Yo, son. I was like, yo, this is a real Spanish thing. He's drinking Mad Modellos. Oh, yeah. Yo, he's drinking about 10 Modellos. You have no idea. Puerto Rican beers are very famous. I have a Puerto Rican, so I've been drinking Mad them since.

Puerto Rican beers. Puerto Rican beers about to go up. I'm still mauling, man. He only drives Modellos. That's all I know about him. Yeah, but. So, man. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to on shit. Puerto Ricans and beers. The Puerto Ricans and beers about to go up. I'm still mauling, man. He only drives Modellos.

That's what I know about him. Yeah, but... So, so, so, so, man. Yeah. Let, let, let... Because today, uh, I texted you just to make sure you was here. Yeah. You sent me a picture.

Yes. This picture was of what? What's this shit? Uh-oh. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, shit. Wait, wait, wait. What is going on? This picture was of what? Uh oh. Wait, wait, wait. Oh shit. Wait, wait, wait. What is that?

Oh! What's that, a mic? God. That's a picture, really. It's got Master's Dats. Uh oh. Oh! It's his dashes.

What's going on? Oh! He's a backup. Come on. Backup. See? What is that? Yo on? Yo! He's a backup. Come on. Backup. Let's see.

What is that? Yo, what name is on that deck, yo? That's great. That's him. Wow. Wow. Wow. Original version?

Wow. Wow. Wow. That's hot. Wow. What version is that, though? Engineer. That's the last version? Yo, this for radio.

I'm serious. Oh, this dude is epic. What's the name of this studio? I know the logo. Oh, that's the mastering plant, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What else is in there? Oh, wow. What else is going on in there, bro?

We got the Holy Orbs! Holy Orbs! Holy Orbs! Wow! Let me tell you something. I put some ideas of different, you gotta copy this. Hey, you say, take a copy of this, so I have it.

And I would have it, and whatever. Right. Things happen, but I, I, I. That copy guy, the copy guy. The copy guy! He's got a whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole,

whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole knows from doing radio, we would get so many freestyles in a second. We archived everything. Literally. So at the end, yes. The label got on everything.

That's amazing. That's great. Because you would have to prove your work, meaning to Martin and him. Yeah. I didn't know what you were asking. I'm this guy. Yeah. I didn't know what's happening at some time. I'm going to be honest.

25 years later, you blessed that out. So I do want to say I'm really happy to be here. Proud of you for all these years. Thank you. And Pone and Tragedy

and this whole team. It's an amazing team. So, love you guys. And shout out for the ugly guys. When I first got the penalty, what was the girl? She was light-skinned. Monica, what was her name?

Terry. Terry Ferguson. Terry Ferguson, yes. Shout out to Terry Ferguson. Yes, yes, yes. I don't forget you. And Ferguson, yes. Shout out to Terry Ferguson. Yes, yes, yes. I don't forget you. All right. And Karen Swyde.

Oh, wow. Christine. Christine. And Mike. Ed Holmes, we've mentioned earlier. Carolyn Williams. Zenobia. Zenobia.

Who else are we missing? Elnest. Elnest. We said Elnest. And Chief. That's what we talked about. Yeah, Chief. Tyess. El Ness. We said El Ness. And Chief. We talked about him. Yeah, Chief. Tyrone.

Yeah, Chief. Tyrone. We can't forget the Jeweler. We said the Jeweler earlier. Jeweler was around. Yeah, so. You might as well add Kool and Love to that, too. Kool and Love.

Let's pick up a little bit. Let's not forget Cardan. Cardan. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace.

Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace.

Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace.

Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace.

Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Mace. Melly, Mase 2, Mase 2, Mase. You still, you still. He was still around. You still, country grandma came from Super Thug. I feel like I played for a lot of country grandma came from. I'm gonna store it out there.

I'm gonna store it out there. Country grandma came from Super Thug. Listen. I met Nelly at penalty. I met Nelly at penalty. I met Nelly at penalty. I signed him. Yes.

He was cheap back then, right? That's true. That's true. I'm gonna store resort out there. I find it. We had to bust it. We had to bust it. The deal was like, fuck it. I had a budget. Okay, so Neil, let me just ask you.

Yeah. And this is real shit. What's one of the saddest days of my life? I don't know. You know? Yeah. I think we're about to drop the union. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. I think we're about to drop

the union. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have this meeting. And this meeting Chris Lighty gobbled us a day. We sit down. Sorry.

This guy named Tom Silverman is down with what I said penalty is no longer you guys are coming you guys are coming to I believe it was on 23rd Mr. Chow

no no no don't talk to me Mr. Chow but I believe and it's supposed to be my it's supposed to be my dinner by the way your dinner yeah my dinner

so I don't think you ever said this publicly. Or we've never covered this publicly. This is a meeting where, and Paul, you correct me, are we about to drop the reunion album? Nah, this is right before. Before that, I think we just closed the reunion deal. Yeah, yeah. Yes. I thought, Paul, what is you going through?

Because a lot of people just, and this is beautiful for people that, you know, is going to open up a company, be a CEO, do whatever, get in business with people, and then not realize what's going on. Because, I mean, obviously you were the elder statesman at this time. Me and Capone were really, we just ride whatever Neil said, whatever, whatever. But you went through something with this. And if you could share this story, because you never showed up to the meeting. We kept looking like. Well, it was the hardest day of my life. It was one of mine as well.

And, you know, and we had a huge rainstorm and my apartment got flooded that weekend. It was just a very very difficult time. I went from being the man to not. And in retrospect, it was a cleansing period of my life.

I became stronger and I knew who I was more but that time was really tough and in business it's really tough and it was cheaper to get rid of me at that point and

they exercised a buyout on the company and Hey! Hey! Call whatever you want to call it. That's what the word is.

Whoa! Really? You got enough money, that is enough money. Call whatever, listen, because this is my baby, so Penzi is my baby. I'm supposed to be your baby. It wasn't about Penzi, it wasn't about, it was who I was.

Yeah, right, real talk. And you guys were part of that legacy. And it was a difficult time. But in retrospect, it was meant to be, right, for those times. And I'm looking back, difficult day of my life. But looking back years later, it was actually a cleansing period for me. And I realized I wasn't defined by all these other things and I could still be

who I was and I came back stronger than ever. Because at one point, because this was kind of like, I don't know if you felt like this. And we didn't understand business at this time.

So when it was like, you know what, so you guys are just Tommy boy. We was like, well, why ain't Nell fighting? Like, why isn't Nell saying, fuck that, they're not Tommy boy.

They're still penalty. We didn't, obviously we didn't understand business like that. And I felt like that with you at one point, too. Like, when it was like, you know, all right, well, my trash ain't fighting for me. You know, he's going to let me go. So I wanted to start with you, with this situation and end it with you. If you got into the bathroom.

No, I'm going to say this. That's important. But, you know, that was one of them. Because we were so naive. We're like, what? So Neil is just going to say this. That's important. But, you know, that was one of, because we were so naive. We're like, what? So Neil is just going to just give it up. And Chris Lighty, who was supposed to be our mentor, he had never heard of this neither. But he had to wait until we left the meeting.

He couldn't even give us something positive in the meeting. Yeah, I mean, it literally happened hours before that dinner. So you and Tom had never had any discrepancies? Hours before the meeting. It literally happened hours before that dinner. So you and Tom had never had any discrepancies? Hours before the dinner, we had this meeting. I was supposed to go to the dinner. I set up the dinner. And that's when they said

oh, we had a we have a way to Did they parallel out the doors and all that? And all that stuff. And by the way, I was going to fight to get it back. And I talked to my attorneys and it was like, oh. So, you know, looking back all these years later, most difficult period of my entire life. Wow.

And if it wasn't for Miami, I came down to Miami. That's when I met Khaled. And I got into business with him at that point. And cool and great. So it was a really, and it was a wake-up call for me, to be honest. Because, you know, it was my baby. So penalty was my baby. And suddenly I didn't have it at that point.

I ended up getting it back. Because I'm going to tell you, as an outsider looking in, and I was not an outsider looking in. I was an insider that was inside. But I felt like I didn't believe Tom Silverman. What I thought was, this was like a cahoots for him to just get rid of penalty. I didn't think that he actually fucked you over too. Like I thought it was just us that was being fucked over.

Because what he said was, you guys are making money, we'll just take you guys. And he said it like- He told us totally different. He was saying, I'm going to take everybody that was working on your project for Penalty. Oh yes, okay. He was supposed to take it. That's the game. That's the game. That's, okay. It was supposed to take the whole game. That's the game, that's the game.

It's called game. That's the game. All for me. All the people around the building. Yeah, that's the game. Typical Supercomic. If I look back over my years, that day, that night, the dinner,

I knew that dinner was happening, because I set it up. The fact that I wasn't there, the fact that we just finished our business together, you know, you know, it's like... I can totally relate to that. She was telling us no.

She was telling us she was gone. Oh, wow. She was like, no. She's like, don't do it. But look, I can totally relate to what Neal said. Because like, that's what it was with us some time. She's like, don't do it. Don't do it. But look, I can totally relate to what Neil said. Because like, that's what it was with us. Right. Like, it was like, yo, what the fuck?

You know what I'm saying? Like, these is my little brothers, man. Right. Like, these is my little brothers. Like, I don't, I don't, nah, we can't do it like that. You know what I'm saying? Looking at like what I went through like Molly I'm like what the fuck

is this man like so when it came in front of me I'm gonna let you tell it yeah you tell it well um no I mean

you know that was a whole experience for me because um I didn't know how harsh business was I didn't know how harsh business was. I didn't know that today

me and you could split a turkey and cheese sandwich. Tomorrow, tomorrow, if that's what happens, then it's just like that. Tom Silverman was, he was so nonchalant about it.

Like, you know, tomorrow tomorrow I know you guys think I'm the penalty every day I was like yeah we enjoy I'm talking about what I'm talking about yeah I was like yeah we enjoy he's like yeah but we got a gym over He's like, yeah, I'm out of the season. And by the time I'm like, oh, really? I'm like, oh, okay, we blowing up. I have no idea. He's like, yeah, nobody else. Like, you guys and that's it. And then he's like, yeah, so you guys just don't go to penalty no more.

That's crazy. And you're not realizing what he's saying is. Good game, good game. Everything that you've been doing for two and a half three and a half years enjoying yourself over it's over

but everything that happened to Penalty it was the barber shop it was the it was every single thing you could possibly think of but for him to say

he's gonna take the the like immediate staff connected to that was that's some real shit. Like Cardin, like...

That was an L-minus idea. Neal Estreit. It was like Neal Estreit. So we automatically, our guards is down. It's like, all right, cool, all right, cool. And the staff, the media staff, everyone who works with Capone and Noriega, they're great. They coming, yeah.

Not one of them can. I heard that shit before too. That shit is straight G. That shit is straight G. That shit straight G. Word, word. 22, 23, we like word? Haiku, haiku. And they giving us some great paper too though.

Like, it was like, that was his thing. Like, I'm gonna throw you this in your face. Well, I didn't know that at that meeting. It was afterwards. He just felt like... No, at that meeting, he was just letting us know he was supposed to be taking care of him. Yeah. He was warming to you. He enticed us, man.

He was warming to you. You gotta give yourselves. Y'all were young, man. Y'all were young. I wanted that phone call. I definitely wanted that phone call from you, Neil. Because I got explained to it through lawyers. And through lawyers, they they were like you know what you know Nell will be okay

he'll fall back on his feet that already sounds bad like that so for me if I have one regret in my life that I didn't talk to anybody you guys

I actually disappeared. Leo Cole did it to me years later. But I was numb to it because you did it first. By the way, it's a real regret in my life. If I have any regrets,

it's that I did. That's how I felt when he went to leave. Don't you abandon him? That's how I felt. Come on, let's get to that. Let's get to that. But listen,

you know what was the craziest shit about that shit? If we would have talked, he gave us enough money. We could have bought ourselves back. We could have fucking said, yo, listen. He wasn't looking at it like that. He got some money. We bet on ourselves.

He wasn't looking at it like that. I think it was a lot of stuff going on at that time. He didn't even think like that. That was the atmosphere of that era, too. Bro, bro, the shit you know now, bro. Come on, everybody. We ain't that bad, bro. That's a good point that era too. Bro, the shit you know now, bro, if you could, come on, everybody, we could be in that family, bro. That's a good point that you're making, and I gotta say that before that happened, I had left penalty, but I regret leaving penalty. That's where you went to?

I regret, I think I was at the Coliseum. Epic? Epic, you went to Epic? No, no, it was somewhere before Epic. I went to that Power Room. No, it was somewhere before Epic, was it? No, no, no. No, it was Epic, I remember it was Epic.

I was in the RV, bro. epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic.

I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic.

I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I remember it was epic. I because I was young, didn't know and chasing the check, made a bad move, right? And it wasn't like the best thing. So I regret that. And we could have, you know, probably could have, you know, played out a little, a lot of, a lot of different. I left Bayham, I left, you know, I left, I left a lot of things on the table, unfinished business,

I would say, right? Because there was still a lot to, to, to happen, but everything worked out the way it worked out. Things meant to be, but... So it is what it is, and we here, we celebrating 25 years, and we're going to keep it going. And it's fucked up to say nil, but I'm glad that you said

that was one of the saddest days of your life, because it's one of mine. All of us fucked up to be like, your name's my name. The saddest day of my life. Yeah, yeah.

It was definitely one of mine. I like cheese with... Edwin Holmes was the man. Edwin, I need $20,000. Hey, listen. I don't know who's talking about that. I don't know who's talking about that. The man was like, let's do it. I'm fucking with you.

He planned it. He planned you. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something. I'm in Hollywood I'm in Hollywood I'm gonna take a shot of Japanese whispers Japanese discount I'm in Hollywood

and it comes across the table after entourage comes across the table is what happens to, what's going to be Empire. With the series? Yeah.

Okay. These guys are sending me, they send me the script. I look at the script. I'm like, this will never work. This story is so false. I was wrong.

Just to be clear. Because what is it called? They fictitiously fictitiously fictitiously describe this story. And sometimes

the truth is so dope you don't need to add on or nothing to it. What I always wanted to do and always would like to do was to recreate that penalty situation where it was

exactly that. Where these hood artists came up to this little prestigious record label, got to get out the hood but then make some of the most amazing music they ever did get to roll us like that story has not been told i've seen entourage i apologize i fell short ah i've seen Empire. God bless you guys. You came little.

But I was talking about the realness of the record label. Like, the realness of going to rush management. The realness of going to a penalty record. That's the type of shit you can't make up. A hood nigga like Geno is saying, who you coming here to see? And this nigga's sitting there eating a turkey sandwich. I'm like, man, I'm not sure.

We're the Afro. I'm not sure. We're the Afro. And then you smelling Bud in the background, but this dude being corporate in the front like this. And the gun is going off. See, like, sometimes you don't have to exaggerate the truth. The truth is so beautiful.

You can't make this shit up. Yeah, you can't make it up. Listen, it's a lot of shit we not even really, like you can make, you can't, they pay for shit like that. Yeah. This shit is all organic, though. Well, this is called Japanese Deleon.

Yeah, but you know what? Bye-bye. Deleon. Oh, you know what, though? That's how I felt, bro. That's how I felt when it came to me, like yo, someone, I'm like, what? That shit was like a hard blow to me, son.

No freaky, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well you, I'ma be honest. No freaky. I'ma be honest, man. Trash. Whenever I wanna disappear in life, I'm calling you for advice.

Whenever you want to disappear? You are the best disappearing act in America. Are you serious? Make some noise for me, y'all. Don't clap for that minute. Everybody don't clap. Because I will see you after the fucking end of this. Fuck out of here.

No, no, but Trash, you are the guy. No, you know what, though? Let me tell you this, though. Seriously. Like, even today. Nah, nah, listen, hold on. Tell him, tell him, tell him. Tell him, tell him, tell him, tell him. Capone, you can't say that. Stop.

He really can't. Cut it out. See, when you start, look, you... Cut it out with the games, man. I've vouched for Trash all day. I've vouched for... Listen, he do vouch for me. You do vouch for me. You're not... for, listen, he do vouch for me.

He do vouch for me. You're not, listen, I know he vouches for me. You can't manipulate the situation like that. I know he vouch for me. You heard me say that. Like, I know my peoples man. You're gonna sit there and you had to get that off. That might be what you just said.

I'm not gonna retract it. You know what you're talking about. I want to talk to my brother. I can wait on a shot. I want to talk to my brother. He couldn't wait to throw that at me, see? I knew he was going to hold that. Just that one. I said, I was getting late. I said, oh, he might not throw that at the end of the interview. But that's who he is. Now we're going to the bathroom. Like, go to the bathroom. Nobody's going to know.

One thing we're not bringing up. Think about this, right? At that time, who was dominating the music business? I said Puff Daddy. Puff Daddy. Yeah. Right? I don't know if you're just thinking on that.

I told you he was Versace. That's why I said that. The opposite. That's why I said that. The opposite of what's happened and still made it. Yeah, that's why I said that. The opposite. That's why I said that. The opposite of what's happening and still made. Yeah, that's why I said that. Think about it. That was kind of a little man joint.

You said, can I hold you in my socks or can I hold you in my mosquito? I said, can I hold you in my socks or can I hold you in my mosquito? I said, can I hold you in my mosquito later? Ooh. Can I hold you in my socks? That's not right. But I think that that was also what was happening. Publicly, like, Mastis was dancing and whatever, singing, but there was this other thing happening. But I think that that was also like what was happening like publicly like

Mast was dancing whatever singing but what was really there was this other thing happening and that's where we was at We was on this other wavelength We're taking a bathroom break now. Japanese bathroom break. Thank you. I drink this with Jay-Z. Yo, to Gino? This is spiritual right here. I drink this with Jay-Z. Yo, Ma got his intelligent Harlem glasses on. Not trying to flaunt. Look at that. I ain't gonna lie. Can't see. I ain't gonna lie.

You killed your cousin. This is all body. I'm just smarter than everybody in this room, so you put them on. Yeah. I'm being honest. Cheers. Don't let them hate on you, Ma. Cheers.

You got your back. Cheers. Cheers. Hold on. Everybody. Everybody. Out got your back. Cheers. Cheers. Hold on. Everybody. Everybody. Ida I.

Ida I. We got to go around the table. More memories. Better health. Better times. More health, more heartbeat, more sunshine. Hold on. Hold on.

Capone got a shot. Hold on. He didn't give him a shot. Can you pass me that? And I'll pass that around. That's that Japanese sound? That's that Japanese. Hit that Japanese. I'm good. I'm good. That Japanese. Japanese. Japanese. That's that Japanese? It's that Japanese. Oh.

It's that Japanese. I'm good. I'm good. Japanese. Japanese. That's what you think? Yeah. Something got special.

It's the y'all walking through. What he got though? What he got though? What he got though? Y'all know. Matter of fact. What he got though? What he got though, snap.

You ain't telling y'all to walk through or y'all? Y'all pass me a cup. I'm going to be out of here. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What he got though, snap. Go on. All right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, we got this, boy. Go on. All right. Take double. That's what I'm talking about. Where the double at? Where the double? Speaking of double, where the double at? Double ain't right?

More time. Cheers, fellas. Cheers. I appreciate y'all. I'm watching Smoke Champs episodes on my motherfucking CNN. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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What's up, D? Yeah, I'm going to get that top. Throw you over. That was good. That was good. That was good. Peace. Peace.

Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace.

Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Yeah! The cab bunched it up! He can't, that's a fact. He said he's the one who had to park the cab bunched it up. But listen. Damn, it's your fault. Nah, I don't know. What did you do? Out of, out of... Come on, come on guys. Gotta get that.

Said it's you! What, Corey? Said it right. No, no, no. So what do you remember? I'm so frustrated. Listen, listen, listen. My man. Because out of all the records that we own, one of the most famous records, one of my most proudest records is Bloody Money. Not only you was there for that section we say all that on the record not yet not only in the back of us talking but you're actually talking with us in the background hmm what do you remember off letting me session I didn't prep you on point point one of the mics Adam please

oh no put this my shirt just point you just play all right yeah that's a big rob right here man first of all we was kids yeah you know I mean now that I look back at it it was just was a special moment because you know I mean me to know I'm grew up in Queens Ridge left from happy I'm not friend waiting for a was what all these neighborhoods and um y'all was already established in Long Island City so when he got his chance to, he got his platform to do it we were just so proud. Like you know I'm saying like even Kenny Smith used to be like why are y'all so proud to be from Leftrack? It was because of really him. You know what I'm saying? Awesome.

Yeah, it was great. And Left Rack wasn't like y'all, but it wasn't a soft place either. Oh, yeah, yeah. We had all the big names, gangsters and everything. But when he did it, it was like, oh man, we was just having it. But what people don't know, he used to go in the booth. He didn't go by himself. He used to bring like 10 people with him. I didn't take any light there, but it worked out.

Remember mine? I didn't light that. I didn't light that. I remember mine. You used to pull me to the side. Sometimes we'd be... Oh, money bags. Rest in peace, money bags.

Rest in peace. Sometimes we'd be quiet, and sometimes we'd be wild. And the blood money was a time for us to be wild. But we were just proud, man. That's what you should be, man. See, what a lot of people don't know was I started writing rhymes in chaos. time for us to be wild. But we just proud man. Yeah, how you sure mean man? See what a lot of people don't know was, I started writing rhymes in chaos.

What that meant was, I wrote rhymes in a place called K-Unit. In K-Unit I would only see the light. The light from the other people's cell, right? And then... Sorry for every lady that's in here. But it's hard to write rhymes with someone's jerking off next to a... See?

The home bag comes out. If you listen... I never said me. If you listen. I never said me. If you listen. I said someone else's jerks. When I was writing rhymes, that's me. So what happened was. Okay.

He said I don't know his words. Okay. Carry on, Dom. Listen, I'm very confident. Carry on, Dom. Carry on, Dom. What I'm trying to tell you is how I started to do that was it was through chaos. It was through noise.

It was through the next problem. You got to also realize there's also somebody to the left that is crying for their mother because they want to be home. Mom! No, that's the other guy. That's the guy to the right. The guy to the right is going, uh. The guy to the left is going, uh.

The guy to the left is going, uh. The guy to the left is saying, my Jordans is missing. The guy to the, he's saying, his high drops. So, chaos. He said high drops. Oh, man. I fucking love this shit. I hear that.

So a lot of people don't understand that chaos was normal for me. Me going in the booth and hearing silence was the enemy. I needed to go in the booth and I needed to hear how I started to rhyme then and then it made sense to me. Even successful. Even after being successful. I remember Pharrell used to be like, do you need these guys there? And I was like, nope.

I just want to see them there to remember. And these guys would be in there playing the piano. Like, yo, you know this shit picks up. Damn. Yeah, that's dope. But that actually soothed me. That created your comfort zone. That was your comfort zone. Yeah.

Makes sense. Every other artist is the exact opposite. Kick him out the room. And they're in there by themselves. I ain't understand. Wow. If you listen to Superdog, you can tell that was a chaos and they're there by themselves. I ain't understand. Wow. I'm good, but now I don't appreciate it. If you listen to Superdog, you can tell that was a chaos record. I appreciate that you're not.

You couldn't have made that under your right mind, under the film. You got to be where you feel comfortable at. Yeah. When you first said, it was like, yo, I forgot what show you was on. I ain't going to lie to you. I'm not going to say you no Christmas gifts. Don't believe in no Mr. McDonald's. I'm listening to the radio,

and you said, I thought I had to go back to left side. You said, nah. I just need to, this was a tragedy. Miami, he's a walking project. I took that offensively at first. I'm just keeping it green, baby.

But here it is. He mentioned it. But you know what? I didn't understand what he meant. Right. Because, you know, he's... I remember that day, too. But when I thought about it, I was like, that's a compliment. Yeah.

No, no, I'm serious. All jokes aside. I'm just not used to getting compliments from you. So you got to understand how I feel. I always get compliments. No, not yet. But at the time, like, you got to understand. Even back then. Okay.

I like how you try to, but listen, I didn't look at it like that. I was like, what the fuck did you do? You guys have always been like this, huh? Yeah, I don't know. Where is he going? Every time. I got another friend, right? He's been around us.

He said, yo, y'all are always posturing. I said, nah, we just. I feel bad for Capone. It's our energy. Don't feel bad for him. No, he's the same way. He knows what he's doing. Listen, he's doing just...

But no, no, but... He's enjoying it. Nah, but seriously, though. I understand what you mean. Right. You know what I'm saying? I understand what you mean. And this is what I get from people all the time.

And right now, dudes don't necessarily... You know what would make me happy though? Not for no money, but I wanna do... I wanna do what? I wanna do... I don't know what you're saying. Would there be another... It would not be...

No, no, seriously. There would never be another War Report. With a massive creek and a war... No, seriously, there would never be another war apart. I know if we just, the final, but I know, whatever, but I know if we really went in and tapped that scene, I don't know, time is different. You have the infrastructure right here. Wait, wait, wait, that's what I'm saying. It's giving me that feeling.

That's the only way I think we should do it, if we don't do it together. What you think, man? I think it'd be hot. I think it'd be hot. I think that's what we need. What's up? What's up? What's up?

What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up?

What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? For sure. For sure. Well watch this, he said chaos, what is the world doing right now? Chaos. Wow, chaos. Crazy. The world is running. You gotta let me, you gotta let me, let me walk with you for a second.

I want you to walk with me. Cause I gotta be careful. This is my brother. That's the same thing I do from the beginning. No, I'm telling you some real shit. Cause no, I wouldn't feel like I'm dead ass. I'm telling you right now. No, cause you know why?

Another person in my position is like, nah, don't say that. I can't, that's not trash. No, but trash don't disappear. What? Oh shit. I'm saying that if we're gonna do this, we gotta keep that from the beginning. Wait, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, all right? Do not fall into this.

Hold on. Come on, come on, come on. He's been around for 25 years. Stop it. I'm going to stay out of this. I'm going to stay out of this. He's been around for 25 years. He's seen, yeah.

Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul. Yo, let me just say something. Paul, what the fuck? One night, you pulled me out my bed, and we went to dinner, and tried less. You remember that day? This is what Traz says. He'll drop a drool, you gotta keep that drool.

What you want me to say? And run with it. I gave you what you needed. Right, exactly. I gave you what you needed. You want me to hold your fucking hand? You want me to hold your fucking hand? I said, nah.

You know what I'm saying now? I'm being facetious, but- I know you are, but I'm being precarious, let's move on. Oh! Listen, come on, no, but I'm being precarious. Let's move on. Listen. Come on. No, no, no, no, no. Listen.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I shouldn't have to stay and ran home. Listen, I already did what I had to do, man. Now that we understand what the fuck this means. Because come on, listen.

You know what? I got to shake out. I got a family, man. You breaking me? Yeah, I'm going to disavoid. Wait, wait. I got to make moves. Wait a minute.

When I come through, I got to come through, right? Sometimes, right? Sometimes, it gets to a point where we got to leave that shit behind. Wait, we got to leave that shit behind. Wait, we got to leave that shit behind and we got to move forward. Moving forward. Slime don't need to do this. Let's be clear. This is why I'm bringing it up. Don't start deviating

over there, but I'm going over here. Slime don't need to do this. This is why I'm bringing it to the table. Now, because we all, not all, but a lot of us feel a certain way, but a lot of us won't say it. I got to say it to Slime because whether he likes it or not, I'm his brother. I'm not his cheerleader. I'm not his yes man.

Weak or bum heads, guess what? At least you know where the fuck I'm coming from. A nigga I know where he's coming from is not a danger to me. You might not like me all the time. I don't like you all the time, but I'm going to always love you. And you're going to tell me how you feel. I don't like to hear how you me all the time. I don't like you all the time, but I'm always love you. And you're gonna tell me how you feel. I don't like to hear how you feel all the time. Let's be clear.

It's not Plano games, man. That's not what we got in this for. When it was just us. Then it's now to us. And we can keep it us. But all that trash shit is not about that. It's about us moving forward. I want to move forward.

Hold on, you don't got to defend it. I love you. You're totally mad at me. It's about us moving forward. I want to move forward. Hold on, you don't got to defend it. I love you. You told me mad case, bitch. Listen, let's move forward. Slav, you don't need to do this. But it would be nice if at some point, right? Because basically, I'm asking.

I want to do it one more time. I do. I want to do it one more time. You do it. All y'all shit is fire. Every time y'all get together, y'all shit is fire. Slam, you know, Slam, like, you know what I'm in it. I'm in it, Slam.

Yeah, I disappeared. But guess what? You know what I'm in it for what? You didn't appear in that suit, man. Motherfuck's right, man. When I'm in it, I'm in it. Let's get in it one time, man. Just one last time. You know why? I think if we put our When I'm in it, I'm in it. Let's get in it one time, man. Just one last time.

You know why? I think if we put our hearts and minds in it, with everybody here collectively, that's a. Yo, fam, what is Griselda? What is Griselda? Let me ask you that. What is Griselda?

It's an extension of what we did. I was going to call you over, but I'm sorry. And that's why he makes a good point. It's the energy. It was an extension of us. It's the energy that I'm talking about. It's the energy. Keep the same energy going for it. However we did it, like, we all are in and out, or we all doing whatever. It's that same energy of not trying to do some commercial shit or trying to do some...

Listen, I'm not going to be for this. It's the energy of... When this man called me, this man was not speaking. Slam, stop putting that disappearing shit out there, because you know what? You got the public watching this, and you're fucking up my back. Don't do that, because you know what? Hold on. When you call me, Slav, and you're like, yo, pull up, I'm pulling up.

It's true, bro. Today's the first day, but listen, any other time, I'm pulling up on my own accord. Because, listen, now, respectfully, because that shit gotta stay with Jack this man this niggas didn't shot people I'm not praying no change no me like listen I'm a full stop I like to clarify that what I mean by that is right you live in your own world and once one thing about it two things for sure um i live in my own world what i started to realize is in order for me to get them to prostra i gotta respect every one other world going to that world of course i'm going to delion in order to get there i gotta

say i gotta sit here i gotta make sure everyone likes me along this way. But once I get here, then I'mma be who the fuck I want to be. I just put out a clip today where I said, yo, you know what, I don't need you to be like this. I don't need you, I'mma always show you love because I'mma be who I am. And that's the problem with us. It's like, me, you, and Capone, or me, you, and Trash,

we have the same problem that Wu-Tang had and we three of us. These motherfuckers is nine. It's hard. It's hard. There's no way we should have the same complications when it comes to a goal. Now hear me out. What I mean by that is back then when RZA said, you know, we need to have 19 songs done by such and such and such, they all looked at RZA and was like, what the fuck? But then they all individually got artists and then when they tried to apply that same thing, they understood. So that's where we at with you. That's why we started this, where we said, yo, you know what, Trash?

You know how you taught us how to record, like how you so eloquently put, and how you helped me in those certain ways, that's exactly what it is. But now, it's just like now, it's just like now. Like, let's suppose we said, we really said, you know what, tomorrow, you know, I want to do some fly shit, we need to do it. Let's go to Bahamas tomorrow, right? Boom, now, we go to Bahamas tomorrow. Mayhem calls every fucking producer that he knows. Gino calls every producer.

Marcos every producer. All right. All right. All right. Neil calls every, you know, CEO, connector we got. And we do it. And then Pone doesn't show up. Do you understand that Pone not showing up this time does not affect just Pone.

Pone not showing up this time affects me. just home. Home not showing up this time affects me. It didn't affect you. It didn't affect us. Of course. That's basic math. That's basic math. And then the thing about it is it's so harder for me now if I'm the only one committed. That's to say you guys are not.

But in a sense, that's what we've got to say. In a sense, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. guys or not but if it was in the sense but we have a four-foot note in the sense of the number exactly what I'm doing if we if we have a session at six o'clock and now this time you say you showed up at six o'clock you're on time I'm there for I want that. This is not, this is not. Oh, chill out, chill out, chill out. I'm just keeping it brief. I don't want to mess with you. No, no, no.

This is a whole other topic. Stop, stop, stop. Just hear me out. It is kind of getting a little personal. You don't got to go through some magic. No, I'm not going through that. It is kind of getting personal. Just hear me out.

When somebody says something like that. No, no, no. Hear me out for a second. And then you allude that. I'm not for that. No, no, no. But hear me out for a second. Understand that. But hear my point that I'm trying to make.

Let me clarify. See, the thing is, like, when I'm in, I'm in. It's just like, let us say when you're not in, you're not in. Let us say when you're not in, you're in. But the thing is,

one, I have to have the passion for it. I can't do nothing. Like, I don't jerk off without being fully committed. Go away, you. I apologize. Maybe I shouldn't have said that. You need that example. I wanted this to go back to the interview.

It's going to get edited. No, no, no. Let's get back to... There's no session you call me for. Now you show up. There's no time you call me to come to Miami. Now you show up. But when you put it out there kinda like that,

you gotta understand your influence. Wait a minute, bro. You gotta understand what I'm... It's just like... When I last show up, come on, stop. It's not that. It's just not that. Don't do that, bro. It's just that we all have certain commitments.

Bro, this bomb, man. No, no, no. Yo, brother. We all have certain commitments. People will hear that and run with it. Today's the first time. Hold on. Not the first.

Name the... No, wait. If today was the second, then name it first. Come on, I want you to. I wouldn't do that. You can't. Name it. Name it.

I want you to. Strap, because I only... No't. Name it. Name it. I want you to. I'm stressed because I only... No, I want to clear this up. I want to clear this up. All right. Because you put it in the air. And listen, don't put it in the air because you hold a certain form.

When you put it in the air, people run with that. That's not necessarily good when it's not 100% true. Today is 100% true. Today is 100% true. But then today will be the one. Don't make today seem like a 2 to 3

or something like that and don't jump on that because I'm not with you. I'm not jumping on anything. Don't do that. Hold on bro. You just said. You told me 20 years ago. Don't do that.

What are we talking about? What are we talking about? What are we talking about? What are we talking about? What are we talking about? Don't do that. Don't do that. We're talking about the next level of this. Listen, listen.

I want you to understand something. There's a time and a place for everything, right? Don't do that. Matter of fact, you're not going to do that. You know why? Let me tell you everything, right? Don't do that. Matter of fact, you're not going to do that. You know why? Let me tell you why you're not going to do that. Because this is a public forum. For sure.

So listen, man. You're not going to do that because I'm not with you. Hold on a second, bro. You're right. Bro, this ball, you're not going to do that. Don't do that. Because what do you think? I look like something to play with like that?

He said, so hold on a second, son. Real shit. He said, so, and you trying to alley up a dog do that man i am because because the thing about it is this we all gotta accept our all flaws like me like me like uh me um you know when it came time for me to reach out and certain things and when no one didn't reach out back to me, I went and I did me. There's nothing wrong with that.

That's exactly what I'm supposed to do. No, come on. So what I'm trying to say is, but let's just say, let's just say, had you been accessible at that time, I might not have been able to reach out. Had you been accessible at that time,

we had a major, I hear you, listen. I think we're great. Listen, we had a... I think we're great. Listen, we're great. Stop. We're great where we at as computers. So we're saying moving forward. I was saying moving forward.

I wasn't accessible because there was a time when we shouldn't have been accessible to. We might have said some things that would make things worse. Let's keep it green, Barry. We both needed time for certain things at that time. Nah, just keeping it green, man.

I didn't need time. Yeah, I needed time. OK, I'll bless you. Everybody needed time. But, bro, moving forward for real, no kids, bro, any time I got the call, I'm pulling up. And you know I'm going to even pull up even more. I agree with you.

I don't like to hear this type of shit. Good. When it's not true. Good. And I'm going even pull up even more I don't like to hear this type of shit good it's not true good and I'm gonna fight for every stand to make sure when you throw a stain you're willing to really establish it it wasn't a stain but watch I'm here to win bro but watch

where did it start with? trash where did it start with? start with that and where is it going? that's right what's the future? I love you.

You're the future. I'm just saying this shit. He's just saying it. Yeah. But you look at it. But Travis wasn't finished. He wasn't finished with what he was saying. He wasn't finished with what he was saying.

But what he initially said. No, no. Let's change it up. The point is not about disappearing. It's about like, you know, engaging and being active. You, listen, the reason why this all happened is the way you came to me and the way you came to me. Yeah.

And the way you came to me. Yeah. And the way you came to me. Yeah. And the way you came to me. Yeah. And the way you came to me. Yeah. It's not about disappearing, it's about like, you know, engaging and being active. You, listen, the reason why this all happened is the way you came to me and the way you rolled it out. You had a vision, you had everything. And, and, and, and, you dropped two of them.

Listen, listen, let me finish, let me finish. Yeah, listen. Right, don't interrupt me. Like, I'm not saying it like that. You can count a camera for me. I'm going to fall back. I'm going to count a camera for you. You know what I mean?

I mean, you might have hit me. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going saying it like that. You can count the camo for me. I'm going to call back. Count the camo for me. You know what I mean? I mean, you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying. Don't do that. Don't do that. What I'm saying. Don't do that. Come on, bro. You're not in high school. Don't do that.

Don't do that. You know what I'm saying. Don't do that. What it is is that you're needed. You're needed. Thank you. You're needed. That, thank you. You're needed. Yo, that's a great way to put it. Right?

You're needed. That's a great way to put it. You need to get your money. That's a great way to put it. You can telecommute and you can metaverse and you can web three in. He was going to give you the prop. He was going to give you the prop. You're needed to be like, yo, Travis, what do you think?

No, true, man. True, man. That's important. All right, cool, cool. Let me bring it on you because now you brought it on yourself. Let me bring it on you. Let me bring it on you. Let me bring it on you.

The reason why. The reason why is you're needed. You're needed. You're needed. True, that's good. Alright, cool, cool, let me bring it on you, because now you brought it on yourself. Let me bring it on you. The reason why, the reason why is exactly what he said. At that point, I couldn't communicate. Chill. I don't want to make it about anybody. I couldn't communicate and I couldn't say, yo, Slime, I need your help.

Nas is calling me to get on a firm. I can't relate to that. I don't know who the fuck to call. Chill. No, no. You wanted us to prove it. You wanted us to prove it. And when I reached out, I had no one else to call. Slim, you told me. I don't want to say what you said to us the last time I spoke to you. I'm not going to do that right now. I will.

I'm not doing it. I know what I said. I'm not doing it. Listen, Slim. I'm ready. We go both ways. I will. I'm not doing it. I know what I said. I'm not doing it. But listen, Sly. I'm ready. We go both ways, Sly. We go both ways. I remember I asked you to come with me to LA.

I could not get you. Nah. What are you talking about? It's your fault. It's your fault. It's your fault. It's your fault. I'm not saying it's your fault.

No, I never said it's your fault. What I said was... Sly, you came to me out of nowhere, and you didn't speak to me for months. Nah. I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm not saying it's your fault. It's your fault. I'm not saying it's your fault. No, I never said it's your fault. What I said was, what I said was. You came to me out of nowhere. You didn't speak to me for months. Nah, that's the other way around.

You wouldn't leader. You didn't speak to me for months. You wouldn't leader. Now you got to understand. You wouldn't leader. Wait a minute. Our medium was gone. Yes.

Grievitude. You want to really? Come on, man. I don't want to. I don't want to. What? You act like I'm going to be embarrassed. Come on, man. I'm done. I'm ready. I'm not certain things I'm wanna what you have like I'm gonna be embarrassed come on

I'm not certain things. I'm not gonna say I'm not doing that. I'm not Nothing Me you was not speaking son the last time you stopped speaking you said some crazy shit Wait back then you took them off 25 years. Listen, but you're talking about 25 years ago Okay, no, no when you said you called me was like y'all I want you to come to me to LA. There's a reason why you When I couldn't reach you my brother's telling me you want to leave You gave up your opportunity just now.

Okay. You guys have gotten one. But hear me out. Here's what I was trying to say is... Huh? So we gotta wrap up? No, no, no. Here's what I was trying to say is... was back then... I wanted...

I wanted the reach out. And when the reach out wasn't available, that's how I took it. Now, I might have been describing it in the wrong way, but there's each and every individual here that has a tragedy adopting. You know how... Disappearance.

You know how... First of all, don't do that. You know how... You know how... You ever disappear on me? I don't speak any English. No, don't do that. You know how, you know how. Trag never disappeared on you, bro? You ever disappear on me? I, I was speaking in English. No, no, don't do that. Yeah! You ever disappear on me?

Speaking in English. Wait, stop, stop, stop. Then don't magnify the trag disappearance. If you, wait a minute. When the normie disappears, eat on the other side of the table, bro. But the difference with trag is, I just don't bring that up.

Loads I get you when I get you now First of all, what's the bigger? We tough listen Cuz no you talking about You saying You take it away to come playing around most of shit I'm playing around but't know what I'm doing. I'm out of there, yo. That's how you do it, this shit? Fucker! I love you.

I didn't kick your feet at all. That was crazy. That was crazy. Next time we see, I'm in these whiskey, man. Yo, that shit is crazy. Yo, that shit was crazy. Yo, this shit was crazy, man. That's how I felt like I was torn apart. Fuck.

I just wanted to come together and do something. Hell yeah. Dude, this shit was crazy, man. Hell yeah. And you know, most of the part was playing around. But the thing about it is, what made it great is the whole collective force. You know, as much as I can say... As much as I can sit around and I can say, yo, you know what?

If it wasn't Capone, you know, me and Traz wouldn't have connected. If it wasn't Traz, me and Neil wouldn't have connected. If it wasn't Traz, me and Martin wouldn't have connected. Then Mayhem and then Geno, even though I went Mayhem and Gino, you know what I mean? You know, I did it the opposite way. And we can say that. We can say that all day long, but it's really the collective that made it something special. You know, as I was making the war report, did I think I was making something special? No. I knew I was making something that was unique. I didn't know it was going to stand

a step of time. I didn't know 25 years later I'd be still sitting here on a totally separate gig. A totally separate world. Right. And be sitting here bigging it up to these people.

And I'm thankful for that. I'm grateful for it. Is it perfect? No. I think we proved tonight that it's not perfect. I think we proved that. But we got

someone who's on the Rory Court album. Woo! Yeah! Someone who's on the Rory Ford album Now bus we've always heard Somebody ask me why is he just going at it? What's up, boss? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up?

What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up?

What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? But I don't get it. I'm just gonna tell you now. All the poisonous consumption is an emphatical now.

But let us be clear. Peace to the gods. In case you're one of the first people to show CNN love outside of our camp. Right. In my opinion, was Busta Busta. Soundtrack studio? Was it Soundtrack?

Soundtrack? Yeah, yeah, he was in Soundtrack. I was in Soundtrack's day. He had a red bottle of wine. I was in Soundtrack's day. He had red wine in his studio. I was in Soundtrack's day. He had red wine in there, I remember.

I was living in Soundtrack's at the time. That's a fact. When CNN was my favorite show. You the first rap nigga I seen drinking wine. That's a fact. You had red wine and that threw me off because I was like, this nigga drinking wine? I was just being introduced to some fly nigga. Trying to look the part.

That's all. I'm refuting that driver's seat was done in soundtrack. It was done in music. No, it wasn't. With the pluck you do. No, it wasn't. That's how unique.

On 8th Street, across from NYU. That definitely wasn't soundtrack. Nah. That was in soundtrack. You was in soundtrack. I wasn't soundtrack. Nah. It definitely wasn't soundtrack. It doesn't matter. You was in soundtrack. I was in soundtrack. I was in soundtrack.

I was in soundtrack. I was in soundtrack. I was in soundtrack. I was in soundtrack. I was in soundtrack. When I fell in love, when I was expressing how much I loved that album, I was living in soundtrack.

So that was already afterward. Me and Mob was actually living in soundtrack. That's the evil. So... That's a fact. I was in soundtrack to see you. Yeah, that soundtrack. Yeah, Steve-O. That's a fact. I went to the soundtrack to see you. Yeah, that's the only studio I went to. That's a fact.

I went there. I wasn't remembering. You ain't making no mistake with that. I remember my first four solo albums in that studio and tried to do some of the fifth one in there. But then they started to change to doing more movie score and television shit and they wasn't facilitating for regular album artists recording shit. Their business started to get they would generate more revenue from television and movie scoring time was changing but when we did driver's

seat nori told me what studio to come to I don't remember this yeah it was um Remember the studio? That was, um, Platinum Mountain. Platinum Mountain. Broadway. Broadway. Broadway. Broadway. Right by the fuck you got, remember? The fucking thing. That was down the block from West Forest. Okay, continue. But how did you guys meet, though, before that? I don't recall what the exact date was. I just knew, and I don't recall how,

I just knew T-O-N-Y, that record, was fucking me up. And the fact that Poem was in jail and had such a presence on the album, I ain't never seen that before. And the phone calls from the jail cell on the skits and all of that, that to me was a different type of camaraderie and loyalty and love and it was refreshing and it was interesting because I was like,

yo, is this allowed? You know what I'm saying? Could you actually be on the phone from the penile? Making records, right. And then the shit be on the phone from the penile? Making records, right. And then the shit is on the record when, you know, in jail they were caught and everything. And I was definitely wondering if there was repercussions for that. I had a lot of questions, but I ain't really worried about anything that wasn't for me to worry about if they wasn't worried about it.

They was doing whatever they was doing and I was just sponging it up and I was in love with it. And the way they sounded on these records was weird because all of them sounded like they were similar but with different voice tones. Traj, Pone, and Nori had a flow pattern that no one else was doing. It was like... It was like this, uh... -♪ Sing, sing, sing on me

Sing, sing, sing, smash me Like, it was this real shh, like... Ha, ha, ha, ha. It was like this... It was like this snarly, I don't give a fuck, I'm super criminal and I'm super unpolished to what politically correct shit was. And we still active enough to go back to jail. That's what they felt. Literally. Literally.

Right. And that album made me call Chris and say. Chris like the rest of the people? Yeah. All the fact. That's the album that made me call Chris and say, nigga, if you don't sign them and make sure that they on our team,

I am going to be very angry at you. Wow, wow, wow. I called Chris and harassed him about snatching them up to be with Violator because Violator

was the strongest team at the time and Chris and them was already doing such a great job at getting the elite niggas to be a part of the team and and Chris and them was already doing such a great job at getting the elite niggas to be a part of the team, and the more and more that the team got the greats.

At the time, the Voltron of us coming together just looked super strong. And I just wanted to make sure that our team was the strongest, just coming from being a team player. I was always a part of groups. So, you know, leaders and then flip mode and then volley. I was like, nigga, I just want my team strong as a motherfucker all the time. Whatever team I'm with, they got to be the strongest team.

You know what I'm saying? So that was the perspective at the time. And for me, I just was like, what they was doing, it was like nobody could fuck with it. In no capacity. They just said, put a bogey on your face, ashtray face. I couldn't believe this shit.

You know what's up, man? You know what's up? That know what's up, man? That, because he kind of said it too. And this is off the No Bullshit DVD, man. Um... This is off the No Bullshit DVD. The Mach D is speaking. Bell Mach D, Bell.

You know what it was? For me, it was like, yo, a lot of dudes was popping. And everybody we went to, they didn't know how to support the movement. But you was popping. You was smart. Thank you, Emmanuel. You was smart, Gio. Because you know what?

Because you just said it all right there. I ain't know nothing about Chris. It was smart because you saw the future coming. No question. And you could not be left out. Nah. And I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe this talk and the way that the talk,

the talk and the way that Queensbridge left rack shit, I'm not even, I didn't understand why they was talking like that. It wasn't saying nothing. It wasn't super different from what any of us was saying. It was how they was saying it. Everything had like this. Every bar had like, it was like downward,

it went downward as they ended the session. Right, right. It was like, it was like. Yo, the analyzation. Right, right. I like his perspective. Yo, it was so new. It was just like, why are these niggas just talking like this?

Bannigan change, Bannigan change, Bannigan change, Bannigan change, Bannigan change, Bannigan change. It's like, everything went from here to here. Bannigan change, Bannigan change, Bannigan change, Bannigan change, Gio ain't mine, FAA ain't mine, I'm not the black, give it back,

niggas really likega, you not big. So I'm like, fuck. What the hell? What the fuck? Nigga trying to shit on me. It was too empty. It was too empty. I was like, this is not it. This is not it.

This is not it. This is shit I heard. When I heard, I was like, yo, before signing, I was like, this is, I heard the same shit you heard. With that energy, whatever it was, I was like, yo. It I was like, I heard the same shit you heard. With that energy. Whatever it was, I was like, yo, I don't know what this is. But I heard Trey was doing it too.

Right. Let me give you a few hours. Let me just be clear. Let me just be clear. When that happened, underground, I would hear people talk about us. I would hear people talk about our movement. No one publicly ever co-signed. No one publicly. That's what hurts.

You know. It shouldn't hurt though. Wait, wait, wait. Let me say this. That's what hurt it. He was the first official co-signer. Listen, wait a minute. That's what I was going to say. That's what hurt it. Because I'm not going to sit here.

I'm not going to sit here. I'm not going to hit it down on nobody. Don't down me. I'm not going to sit here, I'm not going to sit here, I'm not here to down nobody, so don't down me. I'm not going to sit here, I know what I'm saying. I'm not going to say everybody I approached. I'm not going to say everybody I approached that behind closed doors was love. Right. But in the public, it wasn't love. You got to understand something, though, about our city, right?

Which is an unfortunate reality about our city. When shit evolved from the public enemies and the LLs and the Run DMCs, you got to remember them niggas didn't have clicks. And they wasn't shining artists. They just was trying to be the dopest niggas to contribute to hip-hop in a significant way. But I wanted to fucking have... This is what I'm saying.

See, that change brought about two things. The blessing of putting new artists on and breaking artists and being an artist to do it. That's what I wanted to do, girl. This is what I'm saying. Let me add on. Add on, girl. Being an artist to put on an artist and break an artist was a new thing, right?

You helped champion that. What I'm saying is what also started to happen in the process is, code of ethics changed, so now you got artists putting on artists, and it becoming a challenge between the artists. Because you're not just an executive, you're an artist too. That's a fact. It's difficult. It's very difficult. That was difficult for me.

It's difficult for a lot of artists that's trying to be artists still while they're being rejected. You can't shake the competition. You can't shake the competitiveness. You can't shake the competitive nature of New York motherfuckers in particularly. I mean, it's everywhere, but in particularly in New York, right, was also the death of New York still having clicks. New York don't click up the way everybody else click up now. That's a manicotti sauce right there. It's now, you know, if I sign,

if I ain't helping you if you ain't signed to me, that's what it became. So it's like, if I can't profit from your blow up, I ain't fucking with you. When that's not the way it's supposed to be. If we the city, rep the city,

and not even the city, just rep what's dope. Because you ain't gotta even be from the city to rep what's dope. OT Genesis ain't from New York, but he was dope to me. Rod Digger ain't from New York, she was dope to me. That's great. Rod Digger ain't from New York she's from Jersey. She's incredible to me. I don't give a fuck where you from because the way I was raised was the

goal at the end of the day was to make sure that our contribution to the culture was a significant one so contribute in a significant way. Keep doing your job to advance and push the culture forward. Get your emotions and your ego out the way. The greatest niggas that were artists

that became executives, and I use this one motherfucker as an example, is Dre. Because he was an artist. But Dre had no problem making sure he broke every nigga

from the first album. Snoop. Snoop, Gang, Fifth, Eminem. Kendrick. He may not even work on any more albums after the first one. But he'll make sure that first shit is so phenomenal

you don't even need to call him no more. And the crazy shit is, he does it so consistently that he could put out one album every 20 years. That's a fact. And at the end of the day, make it such a stellar success and such a significant contribution to the culture that he's comfortable with not even trying to compete. He's so relevant without it. And his boss up looks bigger than everyone's. And his bag still ends up being bigger than everyone's. Not because he's robbing anybody.

Because he's not. He's out the way after the first one. So whatever you do with whoever else, that way that pie gets sliced up is between you and them. He ain't even involved. But you, you know, he's still, you know, the label that you're signed to, yeah, whatever amount of albums

that gotta come out after that, that's still aftermath. He get his cut because he's a part of that deal structure, but you still make all your decisions that you want, and he sit like this. But with that being said, it didn't matter if it was Eminem from Detroit, Game from L.A., Fifth from New York, Kendrick from L.A., Buss Rhymes from New York, Mary J. Blige from New York.

That didn't come out, so that, we're not gonna count that. We're just talking about the shit that came out. You know, he delivered because of what was dope. And it wasn't about, nigga, I ain't helping you if you ain't signed to me. And that's what's important a lot of these other cities meaning how to be signed to each other but they will rhyme on five albums of different projects with each other to

make sure they keep each other up Motherfucking right. And jump in every video. And pull up to each other's shows. And go to the fashion shows together. And they'll go to each other's crib. And it's beautiful to see that. And that's the shit New York missing. Now, there's a lot of the newer motherfuckers that's doing that. And I'm glad it's getting back to that.

Lit fit, I like lit fit, I like the crew. I love lit fit, nigga. I love lit fit. Shout Davey, shout Jones, shout Mano, shout Loso. Fuck you mean, they showing with that camaraderie and that coming together to form a new Voltron is about in the current time and space. And it's important to see that. You know what I'm saying?

I love, you know, Fabio moving and shaking the way he move. And I love, I love... That showed over there on 16th Street. What? I pulled up to that. I love to see that, man. I know you say you're not drinking, but we do know you just celebrated your birthday.

Oh, absolutely. Thank you, man. I... Didn't get a chance to bail, but the last time I saw you was at Rest in Peace bid services. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The last time I saw you, man, I didn't really bail with you because of the...yeah, you was with Scratch. And look how many we done lost since bids.

Wow. Rest in peace, peace. Wow, what you saying. Yeah. You so imperative about clicking together, man, and just...it's not...it shouldn't be all about the money, especially if you're getting a couple of dollars. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, hold on. Wait, listen what I'm saying. Listen what I'm saying.

That bag. Listen what I'm saying. I'm going to listen. Circulate the bag by all means. Wait. Circulate the bag by all means, but also the bag come when they see the value and the equity of unity. Sometimes the bag is not just a dollar but the bag is a unity and it shows a greater force that'll bring that dollar. Listen you eating it's clear you're eating right.

Now and let's put this and compare with other cities like I see them alley-ooping an artist on the come up like you did 25 some odd years ago look that's smart and it's times I made that mistake I'm gonna keep it green better this time I made that I made that mistake with prodigy I made that mistake with 50 you know just being fixated on my way of seeing things but that's very important to see tomorrow because we're at today could change tomorrow and that's the artifact and aside from that not out of fear but no man the culture is amazing this should save your life. All of us. Exactly. This shit saved my life. What?

This shit saved my life. This shit saved their life. I know that for a fact. It saved your life. I know that for a fact. We got to support those if we feel them. But let's not not feel them because they're not signing us and we're not automatically getting them.

But that's what I'm saying. Of course. I'm all up in what you're saying. No question. The only component about that's what I'm saying. What's the point? I'm out of you being what you're saying. No question. The only component about the bag that I'm talking about, right, is that it's important. And as I get to these different times in my way of thinking,

as I continue to grow, I realize that that shit is also used against us. Our love and our passion and just doing shit because we feel it. Nah, I realized something a long time ago. Our feeling and our love is the most valuable shit in existence. And the only reason why there's even revenue to be generated is because of our love and our passion.

And these niggas always been profiting and capitalizing off of it. And we'd be the last ones to profit and capitalize in the same way, if we ever do. Right, and that's a valid point that you're making. That's what I'm saying. You gotta get paid for your value. You gotta get paid for your talent.

You gotta be paid for everything. I'm gonna give you a perfect example it ain't nothing to do something as a swap ain't nothing to do what it ain't no problem to swap with an artist right yeah you know brother pull up be like yo let me get a verse and you with that and they hot too and give me a version return, cool. We don't exchange no bread, right? So equal value in a sense. Nah, I'm about to make the point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we do this because we love each other, right? Yeah, yeah. But then this love ain't appreciated by everybody that is getting the money. Right. They don't give a fuck about that love. What they actually give a fuck about

is how they're able to profit and monetize and exploit and abuse that love. Because with all of that love that's going to benefit everybody else, them niggas will still look at you and say, all right, well, this is the deal structure you got with us,

and based on your expenditures here, no matter how much that's generated as a revenue, under this deal structure, and no matter how many records are sold, based on what you might have did as a deal, based on what you might have agreed to signing to, you still might not make no money. based on what you might have agreed to signing to, you still might not make no money. So what I'm saying to you is,

that's the only part that gotta start getting changed. Especially- Because I think that value that we think of love, like we undervaluing ourselves. Yeah. That value of love is not the monetary, you know, like what we should be getting. But it is, but it is. Everybody don't make what we making though. It's the source of the monetary, you know, like what we should be getting. But it is, but it is.

Everybody don't make what we making, though. It's the source of the monetary. Right. The problem is, we ain't doing what we supposed to do to make sure that we're the benefactors as the source. That it isn't equal to the value.

We're the direct recipients. We're not supposed to, we ain't supposed to be the last one to laugh to the bank. If you even get a chance to giggle, let alone laugh to the bank, nigga. That's all I'm saying. Right. If I'm

coming in here with this brilliant creation and I'm sharing it with somebody that I love and they sharing that shit with me. We supposed to be the first ones to laugh and we're supposed to be able to allocate who else laughs based on our discretion so we look at home wait wait that's deep if we came in right with that then the people we sharing it with if they're not reciprocating that then then what is it? What I'm saying is it needs to change based on the way it's been.

The way it's been is that. I just want to hear that. Yeah, go ahead. Continuing to be that after all of this time, and it ain't changing, something's wrong. And who is the fault of that wrong? It got to be you at this point. Because what I'm saying to myself is, you know, as I'm celebrating this new cycle around the sun, I'm like, damn, you know, a motherfucker be like, yo, bust. You've been around. Yeah, you know what the beautiful

thing is of being around? How dangerous I am now. Because I ain't learning as I go along no more I'm mastered this shit that I learned as I was going along so now the shit that I'm gonna apply is gonna sting a little differently when I apply it now cuz I'm the fucking Miyagi of this shit I I ain't Daniel-san no more, nigga. So that's the beauty of what I'm getting ready to do. Live my best life and apply it. It's like the gods,

when they say knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. Knowledge is to listen and observe. Wisdom is to speak wisely. Understanding is a reflection of knowledge and wisdom. And it's the best part, right? Wise understanding, the best the understanding is the reflection of knowledge and wisdom and it's the best part right why is understanding the best part it's the absence of confusion peace peace understanding is the absence of

confusion because it brings about peace of course you can't have understand without the peace you can't you can't peace without understanding the balance so this is what I'm saying when understand, that's when you live in your most peaceful space. That's when you're your happiest. That's when you're the most potential threat. I ain't. Because a motherfucker now know, pardon me, Almighty, a motherfucker now know we ain't really able to fool this nigga the way we used to.

We ain't able to take advantage of this motherfucker the way we used to. Sometimes that's a beautiful thing because motherfuckers that can respect that will find the experience actually that much more pleasurable as long as they come around respecting that shit that they know they shouldn't play with the way they used to when we didn't know better so now that they know you know just come to me and let's do this thing that we supposed to do the right way see the only time it's going to be a problem is if you know that i know the fuck we way is something you shouldn't do but you try to bring the fuck we way around me anyway that's when it's wrong because now you insulting the nigga intelligence and you're insulting what you know even before you chose to bring the fuckery around. Had the opportunity to say to yourself, I'm not going to bring the fuckery, but disregarded that and still brought the fuckery. Now, it's a different kind of accountability. Because, see, again, if we're going to deal with the degree,

justice, which is the 10th degree in the supreme alphabet, is the reward or penalty for one's actions or deeds. So you do the right shit, you get rewarded for it. You do the fuck shit, you get penalized for it. That's it. Just do what you know is right, especially when

you're dealing with a me. You're dealing with a Nori. You're dealing right. Especially when you're dealing with a me. You're dealing with a Nori. You're dealing with a trash. You're dealing with a poem. We're celebrating 25 years of CNN. Right? The beauty of this celebration is the motherfuckers who created CNN learned so much that there's now a Drink Champs, right? Yep. And the Drink Champs came about as a result of the fuck shit that they got tired of dealing with being CNN.

That's a nice bill. That's a nice bill. You get me? That's a nice bill. So's a nice build. You get me? That's a nice build. So this is what I'm saying. They are now applying the mastered level of themselves. We ain't the dummies that is learning as we going along. We ain't bumping out our head the same way.

Nigga, one or two of them speed knots gonna sting different. And you're going to be like, I'm tired of hitting my head like this, man. Let me stop running in this brick wall, bro, I'm gonna sting different. And you gonna be like, I'm tired of hitting my head like this, man. Let me stop running in this brick wall, bro. When I could dig under that shit, climb it, go around the motherfucker. Going through this shit hurt, though.

And I'm tired of that hurt. So, let me celebrate and be a drink champ. Salute to the God. Super proud of y'all, man. You know what I mean? And I'm grateful that I was even able to be a part of becoming a fan of some shit from its inception. Yeah, I did that shit to me. I caused a whole nother...

Peace to the God. I ain't no front. I used to ride around with a few people. Used to play this shit all the time just to drive. Sometimes we would drive through left rack in Queensbridge just to see if what the fuck we was hearing was happening. That's crazy. I'm not going to front.

I'm a East Flatbush nigga. So ain't no hood too different from the hood that I was raised in, but there's definitely different aesthetics. And the shit I was hearing was a little different. And I wanted to understand why. When there's so much shit that we identify with each other, hoods, and in each other hoods, what the fuck got them sprinkling the salt at this amount differently from how we sprinkle our salt

and the adobo and the pepper? They season and they food a little different. But this shit still tastes banging. I'm going to still pull up to the same yard man spot to get that seasoning and left rack in Queensbridge because they still got official yard makers out there. Like they doing flatbush. They cook up just might be a little different.

Cook up. You know what I'm saying? I want to taste their shit while I'm like, dude, this is... You know what I'm saying? I want to taste they shit while I'm coming through. And ultimately, man, I didn't get to see nothing that I heard on the records. Maybe I wasn't supposed to. Because I wasn't supposed to. I was just leaving it right there.

But with that being said, it made the desire grow that much more. It's like absence makes the heart grow fonder, right? So the more I couldn't see it, was the more that I wanted to see it through the work. So the music, the visuals, the freestyles. What time you went through? Nah, I'm talking about something real. That's what I'm saying.

Because of what time you came to Cleveland. That's my point. I wasn't supposed to, I wasn't coming through. I wasn't supposed to come through at the times when the bullshit was happening. There was another plan for me. And I needed this be, I needed to be exempt from this shit. Now I need to be in the eye of the storm, nigga.

Respectfully. You know what I'm saying? So again, man, like I said, I ain't sticking around long. I think I'm long-winded, and I'm not showing my place. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no.

No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no.

No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. best part. Thank you. You know, being a part of this legendary you know, 25 years, which I didn't even know it's 25 and it's not even until next month. So let's just hold on.

It's 25 years. June 17. June 17. You know, earliest on you know, me sitting back and me just just paying attention to what happened from the outside in it because that I know trash and proponents gonna

like found me for this later but you know Queens Bridge is a very privileged hood although you know they might be privileged not in a way that you guys think but they had if she Shan they had a, you know, a Molly had the great. I agree. I have established. Yes. Not privilege. Privilege is OK. You know what? I like that. I like that.

So a lot of people are fucking privileged, man. Like, I know. The hat right there. Yeah. OK. View of Manhattan does not constitute change rhymes. Demo, no, no, no, no, no. OK. A view of Manhattan does not constitute Shand's rhymes, Dimple D, Marley's work. But I got to say that. They couldn't.

No, no, no, no, no. I got to say that. I got to say that. Because Marley was a privilege. Marley put in work that constituted 90% of hip hop for a certain generation. That's not a privilege.

That's work. Just got to say that to you, beloved. And, and, and, beloved and you know what I agree but let me just try to make the point that I was trying to make and you know sitting there and trying

to calculate and put together and let's just be clear because I want to be very careful of what I say right now because the brother I'm about to speak about has passed away uh one thing about prodigy was he was a product of queens but he's also a product of long island and a lot of people from we heard shook once a lot of people you heard from what was then the Twitter or then the Instagram, people was like, he's from wrong now.

And it differentiated him immediately because people were saying, wait a minute, there's some people who say he's from Queensbridge. Then there's some people who say he's from the left, right. I didn't want to be that guy. Not to say that what he did was wrong, because I don't know. He's passed away. We can't ask him why he did what he did. But I wanted to be different.

And I wanted to be, I wanted to represent the people who grew up with me, whether they were proud of me, or whether they were like, he's a scumbag, and he's a piece of shit. I wanted them to still claim that too. Yes, yes.

So what we did with the war report was we came in and we said, we're going to, this is what my friend nowadays says, we're unapologetically black. But we were unapologetically. They put that on Khalid Muhammad too. Dr. Khalid Muhammad. We were unapologetically real. We were unapologetically...

Let me just finish and I promise I'll pass it on. We were unapologetically... We were unapologetically the war report. We actually came together and then with these people that's behind the scenes, all these brothers that was behind the scenes, that's why y'all here. That's why y'all understood

this platform. Y'all understood this body of work and you stood by it. And for that, for a person that like we were saying earlier or I believe we said it while he was here if you're not signing me then fuck you.

This is probably the first this is the first artist. Not probably. Excuse me. Let me take that out. This was the first artist that stepped up. Said I'm fucking with them. But then let's just be clear,

we got accused of some crazy shootouts that happened. So at that point, it was exactly the time to say, get the fuck away from us. Yeah, but guess what? Not because you're like, like for me, and I know how it is, that's why, but you know what? I know the staff love me. You love me, and I know how it is, that's why I was, you know what, I know the staff love me, you love me, but the staff love me because they know what I'm not, I'm not going

to say what's politically correct all the time. And you know what, you know I can respect his contribution, because he actually made a contribution in the beginning. That's why when he spoke, I didn't really say too much. A lot of people can come on and talk, and I might. That's my nature. You don't got to like me. Like you said something earlier, I'm not here to be liked. I'm not.

I'm not here to be liked. I figured that out a long time ago. But when he spoke, I don't know if you noticed the temperature change, because he actually showed up for me, for us. He showed up. First one. I went to set the first... I went to...

Well, I remember the studio... Pardon me? Go ahead, Bill. What I really love about this moment, y'all showed up for me. Mm. I was really trying to help my artist. Mm. Y'all ain't tell me to rhyme on the record. Y'all let Spliff shine. Right. That's right. I was really trying to help my artists.

Y'all ain't tell me to rhyme on the record. Y'all let Spliff shine. Right. That's right. Like, that's a whole other thing. People ain't peeping. But everybody doesn't do that. That's what I'm saying. Like, I talked on the record.

You don't think I wanted to rhyme on that motherfucker? I was a little frustrated. That beat was so stupid. And nigga, Top Fife was not playing on that album, Playboy. And I was living with the beat too while Spliff was writing that rap. And I sat in the studio and I was thirsty to black. But for me, everybody see you now, boss. I was on everybody's shit at the time.

So it felt weird to be told to fall back. But, Spliff having that moment meant more to me. Just in the same way, you know I needed Rampage to get on. And I said Puff, Flavin' yeah, yeah. I need Ramp on Flavin' yeah.

The buzzer yeah. Nigga said, all right, well the money I was gonna pay you, if you want Ramp on the record that bad, then you just got to rhyme for free, too. Okay, fuck it. I'm going to make the sacrifice. I want to put my niggas in position. So I thank y'all for putting,

giving an opportunity to Spliff to be able to be a part of a milestone. I know I'm jumping in, bro. 25 years later, you and Spliff was behind the wall together. Man, Spliff was so right a milestone I know I'm jumping in bro 25 years later you and Spliff was behind the wall that's what I'm saying that's why this shit be in the connection already we was in the same dome

this shit so the correlation of this shit is so crazy I'm trying to tell you and it's a different level of deep-rooted. That's beautiful. So thank y'all for letting Spliff live and shine. Yeah, yeah, it's my brother.

And I love y'all. Our direct relationship from behind the wall to the street and our relationship separate from that, our relationship before CNN, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's so much moving parts that brought this shit together. Again, congratulations to the 25 year anniversary. Come on, man. Let's do that! Let's do that! Again, congratulations to the 25 year anniversary. Come on man. Can we do it again?

Let's do that! I'm gone. Good job. Thank you so much. Good job. Thank you so much. Make some noise for Buster Rhodes! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good job. How you doing? How you doing? Like yo, thank you. Thank you. Yo, um,. Yo, yo, um. Take it to 15, 15. All right, now I'm gonna wrap it up, but that's okay. PB first, then wrap it up?

Yeah, PB. PB first, then wrap it up? PB wrap up, that's what we call it. PB wrap. Thank you. This was great, man. This was great. Let me just be honest. Let me be honest, man. I know I thanked everyone individually earlier,

but this is not like a phony thank you shit. At all. Because this is real shit is not that's not like a phony thank you like at all because this is this is real like you know me looking at the history me looking at where everything has started and where everything is going and where everything is going to without this beginning it wouldn't have been anything and i want to be thankful to each and every one of you individuals participated who took a part of it. Even down to Raheem from just saying, you know, regulate the court on bloody money to, you know. How about the cabs with us?

You know, yeah, that part too. The budget, the car budget, that's it, right? Yeah, the car budget, you know. That was out security. To trash, telling us to control the budget and say, you know what? If you guys keep you know bullshitting your time in the studio it won't work out and you know Gino Sims

to some of those calls to Neil from being that you know the big boss from Mario makes from being a guy that was the go-to guy and then hiring the next go-to guy. I couldn't be more thankful, you know, for everyone that's here in the presence. I want to thank you all individually. You know, I mean, you don't have to go home or anything. You know, we still get drunk off camera. Right, right. We're good.

Yeah, I hope we can get that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a. I'm not going to drive. No, but the thing is, I wanted the people to see the commodity. I wanted the people to see that me and Trash. Can argue.

Oh, no. Can argue, can talk, can argue, can talk. We still. And we do that every day, like when we speak to each other. That's family shit. It's real shit. He doesn't always agree with me. I don't always agree with him. But that every day. Like when we speak to each other. That's family shit. It's real shit. He doesn't always agree with me. I don't always agree with him.

But that's life. I don't always agree with Capone. And Capone don't always agree with me. But it's between us. Me and Martin. Me and Mayhem. So on and so forth. But you know so forth.

But what we've all been able to do. With each other, and outside of the war report, has been remarkable. And I just want to thank everyone for taking this time to come back and just salute this masterpiece. You know what I'm saying? I call it a masterpiece. It is a masterpiece. It is a masterpiece. It's a masterpiece. Absolutely. It's been 25 years. Here we are. It's a masterpiece. It's a challenge.

You're going to take the lead. When Supreme comes to you and wants to do a call-in live, don't take it to go away. No, no, no. Your shit is a masterpiece. Straight up. Yes, your shit is a masterpiece. Supreme ain't got no shit.

I think Supreme knows how to see the value in something yes there which was already seen way before supreme okay so let's say one thing let's get up out of here um let's start with you yeah man say one thing and get about it whatever you want to say it could be more than one thing I think I think honestly this was a special moment of men and women coming together to make something classic, not understanding what it was at the moment, but we believed in something and we came together and we did that. To come back together and circle back to that is impeccable.

I think from all the produces, the beats, the rhymes, the different cadences, the flows going left and it should be right on time. On track. I mean, man oh man, this is something special. I'm glad to have participated in the small way that I did and to be around all of y'all in the circle back to this was dynamite. So I appreciate everyone here. Amen. Amen. Love you, man. Love you. And I want to tell you, though, I took my kids back to L.A. I took them to Queens Ridge.

It was a show where we made the war report. You know what I mean? Recently, recently, definitely. But go ahead, Martin. Let's say what you got to say. No, all I have to say is real simple, man. I'm glad that I was put in the place God put me there at the time to just bring this together. Traj for like, you know, just, you know, having a vision.

But I'm just glad to just, you know, be there at the moment to help y'all see our vision. Right. And just, you know, keep, you know, keep moving things forward. I'm just glad I was there at the moment in time. It was just a moment in time in space or whatever and then we just everything is the the words collided whether it was good bad ugly but we're here and this is beautiful and I'm thankful that I was just able to just put everyone in position to just move how we need to move moving forward I'm not going to take your coffee but

I'm really happy proud I'm proud of all of you know you guys and what you've done with your lives. Because from 25 years ago, to see what everyone is doing with their families and how you're affecting the culture, I'm so proud.

And it's a wonderful moment for me personally. And I'm really happy to be here and I want to thank you. I just want to say thanks for the open arms of the brotherhood everybody had. Nell giving me my first official paid job. He set off a lot of people. He just set off a lot of people. He took a guy out of the house He just set off a lot of people. He took a lot of people. I was trying to figure it out.

I ain't gonna lie, I was trying to figure this shit out. You figured it the fuck out, G. I was literally hustling and it said I'm working at a record store and intern at Penalty and fast forward, I'm here. So, you know, I just want to give thanks and, you know, I think, you know, again, follow your passion, get productive and everything else will follow, man. Y'all just keep doing what y'all doing

and it's an open door here and, yo, let's do it again. Let's go. Crash. I just want to introduce my new album, Flash. It's lonely at the top. Actual, factual. This is going to be my last regular debut. No, no, no, seriously though. This is going to be my last regular debut.

Flash, it's lonely at the top. No, um, nah man, it's been a lot of, uh, well-paid lessons, man. A lot of well-paid lessons. Glad to see, like, glad to see, like, the vision come alive and even go further than what the initial vision was. See, I caught them flowers. You know what I'm saying? The reflex is sharp.

Right or wrong, up or down, love everybody at this table. Martin don't play with me no more. No, no, no, no, because I love you. You know why? Man, it's not easy to see these dudes, man. Like, it's not easy to see. It's not easy to see these dudes, man. Like, it's not easy to see. It's not easy to see these dudes. It's not. But to see these dudes, like, that's a beautiful thing, man.

And I'm proud of these dudes. I'm not here to validate nothing. My stretch might be a little longer than yours or anybody else's here because I was privy from the beginning. And that's not an ego thing. I'm not easing God out. But so it's able to see these dudes like, not just Nori. Nori got drink chance and all that.

But even Pone. For Pone to say. Amen. Listen, listen, listen. Amen. Amen. Stop. For Pone to say. Listen, listen, listen. No, stop. The poem is saying,

daughter went to college. I don't think you really understand what that means to his mother. Rest in peace, Barbara Holly. What that means to his mother, and what that really means, man. Mm. What's wrong, man?

This is, this is good. Shit, man. Yeah. This is good. Shit, man. For me, I look at it like this. I ain't have to take my brother with me, and he ain't have to take me with him. So, for everybody that say, yo, you know, you put this together, you did this, or Norrie didn't leave you or nothing, nah, we did what we were supposed to. Official. We remain brothers. Amen.

No pat on the back. That's what we do. We remain brothers. So, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this,

all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, all this, Nah, we did what we supposed to do. Official, amen. We remain brothers. No pattern of that, that's what we do. We remain brothers. So all this, all this, I love the 25, I love this, but each one of y'all, when my moms died, y'all sent my me flowers, y'all asked to pay

for my mom's funeral, y'all did shit in my ways that penalty was not a record label for me. When I went to jail, if it wasn't for penalty, my mom's died what, three months before that? Before I went to jail? I mean, I'm telling you. I mean, for me it's different. The shit hit different. So, you know, I was totally alone.

You know what I mean? I'm the only child. No brother, no sisters. My mom's died. All I have is my dad and y'all motherfuckers. And each one of y'all proved to me that this shit is bigger

than these flowers. It's bigger than Nori. It's bigger than the trash. It's bigger than me. This was about a family. So I want to say this one thing. I love y'all.

Thank you, my brother thank you Neil thank you Martin thank you Mayhem thank you Gino especially fucking Gino amen amen amen fuck all y'all right now he held you down he held you all the way down he needed to hear this he held you all the way down he don't need to hear this I will cry bro every collect call Gino you know what I accepted? Hell, you're all the way down. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something.

This nigga came to visit me. I had a girl at the time. He will make sure she flew from Atlanta. Flew her to the jail. Flew her back to... Nigga, it was never nothing that this brother right here... I said, Joe, I need a fucking cherry red SC430 coupe. Done!

Gino, that's what Gino... I just need a teardrop, man. Teardrop, man. She said that. I said I needed that shit. Nigga, V said, you want a cherry red SC430 coupe? Why that person need it? And I said, because I had that fucking picture on my cell for three years. I want that car.

And I came home and I had the car. Straight up. And then he fucking drove me around for like two weeks. I said, wait, you can't drive me around. It ain't me. I work at the same time. So I let the car go, right? Realest shit ever, man. That's the realest shit ever.

Thank y'all, man, because I got no fans. Solid shit, solid shit. But y'all niggas, man. This shit, it different for me. So everybody was on the street. Everybody had their time. But the fucking notebooks were telling me, this is your artwork. This is, what do you want this?

The CEOs had no idea that I was getting fucking artwork pictures on notebooks. They just wondering why I got 10 fucking black and white notebooks with stickers on them. Because they make sure I was involved as much as possible. Thank you to me. Thank you. Thank you to me. Thank you to me. Thank you to me. To me it's better than a friend. To me it's better than a friend.

Raheem, you in there, you were my friend literally through these sessions. I only had two other friends that was literally through these sessions. Their name was Rel and Steph. They are well documented. Well, my music problem is Rel and Steph are both dead. Rest in peace. I have to come in. Step back, man. I have to peace. Steph Bauer, man.

You have to come on. Steph Bauer, man. And there's one other person who wasn't a part of our crew but is a part of our crew. To the round. J-Rock. We ain't going.

We ain't going. Infinite? Infinite, yeah. Peace Infinite? Yeah, we ain't going. Jay Sheen? Yeah, Jay Sheen. That's my dad, too.

You tell us your... Not your one memory. One of your great... Hold on, Jay Sheen. That's my nature. You tell us your one, your... Not your one memory. One of your great... Hold on, y'all. Let the y'all go. Let the y'all go. One of your memories of the war before.

Yeah. Pass the mic. In the studio, outside the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. So many, so many... Yeah, sorry. Go ahead.

So many... I remember, like, you was the... Yeah, that was... 25 years, man. You good. 2-5-2. My mom's and my fucking father are shooting from... Shoot out your home, bro.

That's real shit. His mother and my father are bitching. Really? His mother and my father are best friends. Really? No shit, I'm telling you. Wow. His mother and my father. Wow. Give us one. Give us one. Give us one.

Everybody. Everybody else get one. But in the studio, I got one after the studio. OK, tell us. After the studio. That's all I know. We know it's not much, but we used to smoke. Me and my brother and step.

Me and my brother and step, we go to White Castle on Queens Boulevard. So I'm like, yo. By tomorrow, by tomorrow. Remember White Castle was Mad Sheep, so we go, yo, we going to a burger eating contest. We going to go to Steph. We going to White Castle eating at the burger. And I wasn't this big that I was playing ball. I was a little slimmer.

You was a little slimmer. I was going to say that to you. We was all skinny. We was all skinny. So, yo, so, being real like slow and damn, Steph is. He called that. Steph is the skinniest. He the skinniest.

Steph Bauer. Yeah, yeah. I'll put Steph on it again. Come on. Yo, so I dropped something on the floor and Steph was eating one bite and throwing all his burgers under the floor. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I don't remember. What are you gonna say? I'm funny. You have a problem? When I was a kid? No, I apologize, man. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're a good boy. You wanna say something? Yeah, man. As a mixtape DJ in Miami, trying to compete with these mixtapes coming from New York, The Clues, The Tony Touches, The SNSs, the Doo-Wops, all these guys. I'm trying to get the most underground shit that I can get my hands on. Raw. And CNN was that when I was able, the white label of the LA LA and everything I could get hold of.

I love you. And then I hear, and as a Latino, I hear this guy throwing these Spanish words. He's not throwing them the right way. But Sprinkle, throw these Spanish words. He's not throwing them the right way. But Sprinkle, throw in Spanish words. But after Latino, we don't care. Just throw some Spanish words in there. One word. We don't care if mango doesn't belong there.

You like the mango? Chico, Chico. Chico. Chico. I, Chico, Chico. I was like, is he not going to go? Oh, shit, he's actually Puerto Rican. But he don't want to speak in Spanish. But that just, it just, I love the War Report. It means so much.

And eventually to meet Eno on the promo room for the War Report. And then to be a part of everything after that. meet N.O. on the promo room for the War Report, and then to be a part of everything after that, and then actually become a part of the street team for Penalty and Tommy Boy. This shit is so organic. I love this shit, y'all. It's just crazy to me. This is why we have Dream Champs, guys.

This is what Dream Champs is, is that it's War Report, and it comes to Miami, and all connect and then you have green champs I was like, what's that a thing to give you? When I first came home in 1999, it made me feel so comfortable. You was split in five. I don't think you were in 1999, Boris. He was about 10. Oh, Boris was not even born. Boris was already a big poppin' such as you.

No, I was not. I was a big poppin' poppin'. Mind mind that this is the moment you was a big poppin'. Boris, Boris, like, it's the same people. Absolutely. The same people from 1999 with you. Yeah. That says a lot about your character.

That says a lot about your upbringing. That says a lot about your ancestry. And I appreciate you, my brother. No, I got you. And right now, it's about me and you. I'm going to push you. I'm going to push you. I'm going to push you.

Crazier. There you go. How many nights I was with y'all? Right. With y'all. Marshall. With y'all. I'm crazy.

He was dirty things with Charlie Skins. Let's be honest. Two of the most funniest niggas I know. What is this? Oh, I'm Chris Hill. You was dirty things with Charlie Skins, let's be honest. Don't make me put you in the DDDD. Come on. I got integrity. I got integrity. Even when I was quiet, when I was, you said, Paul, what you doing? Let's do a mixtape. Let's do this. You cared about me the same way even though I wasn't in your face every day.

No, absolutely. He's straight up and down at 6 o'clock. I know it's just not for me, for us, but I also want you to know what it means for me. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Thank me. Thank you brother. Yeah. And to people like me.

Thank you. Giving me flowers. I'm talking about living out. Living out. You stop doing it. Everybody see it. My share. You stop doing it.

My brother eat 19, I'm number up that, that, that, that. He that hair. He that hair. All y'all niggas was going slim and shit. You know what I'm saying? Man, she's amazing. She's amazing. She's amazing.

She's amazing. She's amazing. She's amazing. She's amazing. She's amazing. You got hair. All y'all niggas just been slittin' that shit. You got this hair like... Man, this is amazing. You got hair though. You got this hair though. You got this hair though. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Did I go? Do a couple December 15th, 2015 We bumped into each other In Weehawken This is New Jersey In New Jersey Sheraton Hotel

Weehawken Sheraton Hotel And you said Yeah, I'm working on this podcast I got a food show I'm doing this This, that, and the third I was like

Word, alright Yo, that sounds kind of crazy That's dope This, that, down the third. I was like, where are I? Oh, that sounds kind of crazy. Let's go. This started third and to see Yes, seven years later what you did like literally it wasn't like you said it's just coming but to see that it happened to the degree that it did was Impeccable brother. So I just want to say, we got to acknowledge you for putting this together and making it happen.

Yeah. Amen. I'm going to do it awkward. I'm going to do this awkwardly. And I want to start from you, E. But I'm going to do it even more awkwardly. I'm going to start from him. Whoa. eat but I'm gonna do it even more awkwardly I'll bring off of him whoa

because him and his family has did something for me on that we have that didn't that didn't even make sense what at the time was I was known as the tough guy, right? Played for Aim High, and then Aim High fired me. Found out I was selling crack. What's Aim High? Aim High is with Kenny Anderson and Kenny Smith. Like a league? Mark Jackson. It's an AAU program. No problem.

We going to eliminate that. I continue. Get emotional. Comeague program. Yeah, no problem. We on them and they can continue. Get emotional. Come on, come on, come on. Get emotional and pop a bottle over there, bro. OK. You feel like you should pop a bottle over there? I feel like you should pop a bottle over there. Oh, yeah.

All right, it's the first time we came here. We popped three cases. It's a special day. It's a special day. Because I got to end this. See some more pops over here. Sunshine music. That's real. That's Sunshine. That's real.

That's real. So, I started. You got a post-do basketball. I started. You got a post-do basketball. Yeah. So, I started and what happened was Aim High got rid of me immediately. Found out what I was doing and it was like, this doesn't work.

This doesn't work out. What happened was, Aim High got rid of me immediately. Found out what I was doing and it was like, this doesn't work. This doesn't work out. What happened was, Aim High got rid of me immediately. Found out what I was doing and it was like, this doesn't work. This doesn't work out. What happened was, Aim High got rid of me immediately.

Found out what I was doing and it was like, this doesn't work. This doesn't work out. What happened was, Aim High got rid of me immediately. Found out what I was doing and it was like, this doesn't work. This doesn't work out. What happened was, Aim High got rid of me immediately. Found out what I was doing and it was like, this doesn't work. This doesn't work out. What happened was, Aim High went to Coney Island. And they realized Coney Island don't have the same rules.

They let their gangsters play on their team. Oh! They let their gangsters play on their team. Oh. Yeah. Except that, Vincent Smith immediately came back to the hood and said, you're back on the team. It's okay. It's okay. It's no problem, let's go. No problem. I don't want to sound like that,

because it made it sound like he cold. He didn't know what I was doing, but he knew I wasn't a sucker. He knew that he needed people who wasn't suckers on his team when you go play at Marlboro. That what it was called? Brokeback? Marlboro. It was all right.

It was all right. Yeah, it was all right. That's where Marlboro is from. That's where Marlboro is from. Marlboro is not. That's why I'm calling it Marlboro Fries. Marlboro is not. It right, it was all right. Yeah, it was all right. That's where Marlboro is from. That's where Marlboro is from. Marlboro is all right. That's probably where I'm going to Marlboro, if I just- Marlboro is all right. Just call me out, if I just, whatever.

Low top, low top. You were in Bath. Go back to my hood. Em and Brown was walking. Em and Brown was walking. Y'all got to come hang out. And Brown was walking Him and rail was walking Y'all gotta come hang out Everyone in this life

What a man was saying Guys you not popping that at all like a champagne I'm gonna let you tell him. I'm not scared. I'm not scared. I'll give you a green beret. Give me a green beret. Give me a green beret. Give me a green beret. This is how you better yourself. I'm wearing nothing. I'm wearing a shirt.

Hey, you. That nigga's crazy, man. I called him Bobby before he was walking, man. That nigga's crazy, man. I popped him before he was walking, man. That's crazy. That was tough. Hey! That's crazy.

He was so close. He was making a right hander strike. Yes. That's one person. I'm so fucking sorry. Just me getting right here in this room. This is crazy. Yes, this one person. Moving on. They didn't get his roses. But I did invite out here. This is crazy. Speak on the guys.

That's Ben, our DJ. What's this? I think I stole them from you, right? Let me tell you. If you sell my DJ, you should thank me. No, I'm not gonna thank you, sir. Just being honest, I feel like you was using him wrong. Oh, Butch. Butch gonna tell you the truth.

I'm not doing that. Come on, come on, come over here, Butch. Come over here, Butch Rock. Go ahead, Butch Rock. Yes. Butch, give him that. Give him that. Butch Rock, he just wants to pick up on your girls. Keep it real.

Nah. Butch is mad at that. Butch is mad at that. He's mad at your wife. Listen, keep it real, Butch. When he met you, he was... I'm here before you knew your wife. She's crazy. No, no, no. You ready for two lives? Ready? Listen, keep it real, Butch. When he met you, he- I only see Butch in Miami. And we live in Queens together.

This is terrible. It's kind of crazy. He's the legend. Butch is the legend. So, Butch, keep it real. When you met Pone, he just wanted you to chill. Nah. That's my guy.

Without Pone, I'm going to be honest with you. Pone didn't introduce you. That's what we all say. He's missing one ball. He's missing one point. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you, I'm gonna be honest with you. Phone didn't introduce you. That's what we all say.

Space the noise for Paul. Space the noise for Paul. Space the noise for Paul. What's up, man? What's up, man? I always break the phone off. He's a team. He had a...

He had asked me to fill in one day. But he also left you when he didn't pay that bill. Oh, see, this is where it, ah. This is that type of shit. I like it. But who answers your text messages? I don't do that. I love my brothers, but I don't answer your messages.

No, no, no. What type of answer is that? I don't know. No, I'm not talking about bold. I'm talking about general. I like that. I like that. What are you doing?

What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing?

What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? DJ club, bro. DJ here. Mayhem, you was on DJ club for two weeks. What? You was on DJ club?

What was that? It's past three. Reno. Reno. Let's just be clear. You remember Reno? I remember Reno. It was a setup.

That's a check. You rang the green. No, you owe me a check. I remember. You came to bar. His name was DJ Mayhem. I think this is... I remember.

Randy Strait. Randy Strait. Randy Strait. Randy Strait. Randy Strait got a tall ass. Tell us, man. Tell us. Just take it, bro. But by the way, this is, let's be honest, Nilevayne.

First time we are approaching a number one record. Getting there. And Jermaine Dupri says I'm remixing the record your record this is super dope super dope is just and Jermaine Dupri says he's gonna remix super dope but he says it to Neil but I'm at the bar and you know at this time Jermaine Dupri to have Jermaine Dupri remix the record is dope But I don't want no one to remix my record. I want these tight shirt dudes with these chokers. I want them to do the remix. But I can't tell that to Neil at the time.

He's like, sorry, perfect shit. You got Jermaine Dupri to do the remix. And I'm looking like, yeah! And then Neil goes, give him a follow on Don Perignon. Neil's smart, you gotta love him. The first time I ever told him. I remember playing at the corner. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was so like, no. And then the next, I don't remember if you remember this. Y'all all remember this. Jermaine theupri sent us a little remix. It's a super thug with the brat on it. Yo, who has that remix? Nah. Mayhem!

No. Mayhem! I got that remix. I got that remix. I got that remix. I got that remix. Open your back. I got the remix.

Open your back. I got the remix. I got that remix. I got that remix. I got that remix. Open that suitcase. I got suitcase! Open your suitcase! I got that one! I got that one! I got that heat!

I got that heat! I remember hearing that I was like Yo, yo, yo! I was like what's up? I was like what's this? Tell them all! Tell them, guys. Come on, guys.

The way I just put that together, I described it as if I was offended from the Brat and Jermaine Dupri's remix. Word! I was not offended. I just. I bet you that remix is. I love him!

Remix. It wasn't divine. I bet you that remix is. And I can't remember who it was. It probably wasn't no one here who brought me Remix, but everyone else was like, mm-mm. It wasn't in it. And it was so hard for the company to track it. I don't remember it.

Your man don't remember it. You got that in that fucking case right now. I don't got that. I'm stacked up. I don't got that. That shit is stacked up. That shit is stacked up. I don't got that. That's true.

I need that. I don't got that. I don't got that. It's not me and Prince of Boots. It was on a cassette. I don't remember that. It's on a cassette. You can't go back?

Trash. I don't remember. It was a cassette on that. It was a cassette. I got it on because when they, you got that in the box. And I went through the box. By the way, like, what did you say? You got that in the box. You got that in the box. It was It was Reno. Reno. It was Reno. It was Reno.

It was Reno. It was Reno. And Jim threw a cartwheels. I'm in the car now. Him and Jim threw a cartwheels. I was drinking Brady's straight. I was drinking Brady's straight and I was on that glass. We called it Moesius.

And I can remember me just listening to it and just saying. And by the way, I love you. But no. But you don't know who's that? I went further. I went worse than that. This is disgusting. Exactly. Who knows Judo well?

And I said. You don't know? But at the time, Super Thug is so big that they could have easily manipulated me. It's that, probably, I don't know this story. Yeah, I do know this story because I was there. I don't know the record. I don't remember the record.

I don't remember the record, so it never happened. No, we know about it. No, no, we know. I remember Reno. I paid for the car. I remember Reno. Yes, Reno. I remember Reno.

Yeah. It was very expensive. And then Bre goes like this to us and gives us a new version of Superthumb. And my middle verse, which I love, was gone. And the brat was in there. Wow. And I listened to this shit and I was like, holy shit, I'm about to be commercial. I think the brat killed it.

I want to hear it. No, the brat killed it. No, no, no, killed it. But it just wasn't aligned of what we were doing. I think you said that earlier. Right. Of what we were doing. And I was like, they fell victim.

Except we didn't put it out. Except you never put it out. Right. And you always said, you don't want it. And that's it. You didn't want it. I didn't want it. And for years,. It happened. I didn't want it. And for years, I thought Jermaine Dupri hated it.

He probably did. No, no. He probably did. He only forgot about it. No, no, no. But he would remind me. If I hated you, he probably was upset. Yeah, I would see him and he would be like, you ain't take my remix, motherfucker.

Yeah, he was totally good. You know how big Jermaine Dupri's remix was at the time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jermaine Dupri was shit. That was crazy. I don't know at the time that was crazy I don't know I don't remember that you were a dick at that time yeah

you were right but you were a dick probably only because of Cardan you probably didn't you didn't

you didn't but Jermaine was Cardan yeah we did that you were correct what are y'all talking about y'all the director. What are y'all talking about? Y'all shit is important.

What are y'all talking about? I was telling Neil that we flew down. Remember, Kardan did two records with Jermaine, so I flew down with them. Bakuda had Nelly at the time. So we flew down. But he went dirty. He plays the record.

He plays Nelly to Jermaine. Jermaine's like, yeah, he's cool. Nah, nah, nah. And meanwhile, we're down there. Jermaine has Ferrari. He has like ridiculous whips. Like bowl of car keys of like. A bowl of car keys.

Ridiculous at the time. Ridiculous. Chris Cross already happened. Ridiculous. And then he passes on Nelly and he does these records for Cardiff. This is Jermaine. He passes on Nelly. He does. But watch this.

As we're driving down, we're like, wow, that's crazy. Whose house is that? They're like, oh, that's Evander Holyfield. It says Evander Holyfield Way. And it's miles. That's Rick Ross' current property that he bought from a vendor Holyfield. It says a vendor Holyfield way and it's miles. That's Rick Ross's When I tell you Miles of land and property

Was made in the back like way down there and while property and Jermaine was not too far from that in me He had a he had a crib still lived it oh ridiculous so at the time he we presented Nelly and it's that not we but Kuda presented Nelly and this time another mother Bob correct and he said nah not fucking with him and at the end of the day Nelly obviously got signed blew off to spend the third crazy crazy Nelly's finger pop everything Wow. The end of the fairy tale is finger popping. I'm not sold on finger popping. I got stories. We could fucking just live on our couch.

Yes. If Dream Channel's a fairy tale, finger popping is the ending. Finger popping. We ended it on finger popping. Listen, man. Finger popping's a great thing. I think we finger popped. We ended it.

We're done. But. Oh, we not finger popping anymore? No. I just want to say it one more time reiterate everything War Report has brung so much success and so much joy and so much whatever that where we're here right now is a result of it I've never I

never made this album and said 25 years later I'm gonna be a Spanish block listening to because I just feel like Spanish music playing right behind us. I feel like there's Puerto Rican beers everywhere. There's Puerto Rican beers everywhere. I like it. 25 years later with this, their trash is fucked up over this? Okay. We signed up for it 25 years ago. We all did.

But you know what? Again, especially thinking trash, you know, for putting up for both of us. Prior to y'all being professionally being able to put up with us. But we're here. very thankful for everything I went through.

Even the bad shit. The good shit, the medium shit. You know the shit in between the butthole and the... Oh! The leg of the apartment! That little area is okay, man. It's okay when you say it's okay. It's okay when you say it's okay. We've all been watching a football game and just scared out that little error.

No, no, no. No, no, no. It's fantastic. I say that to be quick. I'm not being serious. I'm just crazy. I'm not being serious. Who do you watch in basketball? I don't watch basketball.

No, I watch basketball. I watch... Listen, guys, come on, guys. What is this build-up? Come on, then, though. But what I'm saying is, I'm very, very, very thankful for everyone who's been here, everyone who's came here, everyone who's been a part of this album because it truly is a legendary mark. Speak on it.

My life, a legendary mark in a lot of. My life. A legendary mark. In a lot of people's life. Not just art. I had no idea. Talking about shooting somebody. In my projects. Selling drugs. To the person's art.

25 years later. Would be considered art. Because. I didn't put it. In a foul way, I put it in an artistic way. And it's beautiful, it's beautiful for me to see what everyone has done with their life leaving this, coming back and again I'm thankful thankful for my partner who was a fan of it prior to me meeting him who didn't know me uh thankful for my dj butch uh who was from the other side of queens and said these guys are talking about everything

they're talking about because he knew exactly. Thankful for one of my closest friends who was a basketball player who I probably fucked up your basketball career. A little bit. A little bit.

And then, you know, I'm thankful for my other partner because the moment we met each other, we really just locked in. It was like, you know what? Fuck it. We go on. Do what the fuck we want to do.

And we did it. And we continue to do it. You You kind of doing it more than me. You keep doing some shit. I'm like, why? Why? Why? But you continue to live your motherfucking life. And Gino, same shit with you.

It's not like I I gotta question this guy. No! But Gino, same shit with you, Gino. You know, at one point, I can remember you learning the game, then you venturing out, and then when you learning the game when you're home. And Gino was the game. It was two different things.

That hollow. Yeah, it was two different things that you learn in the game when you were supposed to learn the game and then you learn the game when you're home. And from Puff to A$AP and for me to see your transitions and for me to see how calm and how collective you are now, it's a beautiful thing and I salute it. Amen. We always want to give you more of your flowers than you deserve. Because everyone here said it. We didn't kind of know you was like the Oracle back then. Facts.

That's who you wind up being. You wind up being the Oracle. Anybody who saw The Matrix knows the Oracle was a bad motherfucker. In a good way. In a great way. In a great way. Great way. Because you got good dog. And they'll be, that's who you are for us.

That's who you are for us, Neil. And we love that. I thank you. We love that and we continue to love that. We continue to embrace it whether it's in your face or not in your face. Everyone comes around and says, you know what? Yeah, O's right. He might have been cheap.

Right. Physically responsible. Physically responsible. And to this day, we live that same fucking motto. Pissed me responsible is the motto. So what was that? The first four records. Listen, listen.

I tried to do a whole other record label. I tried to make a whole other name. The only thing that they said about me is, they said, they can always lose J-Bros. I couldn't help to think when I said, Jesus, this is the same exact shit. I complained about it. And I couldn't,

I didn't want to call you so much. I was like, and then you called me that day. You was like, do you want to be at the hip hop museum? I was like, just come and see me in the living room. Because it was that same day.

Martin Moore, moving on to you. Martin, I wanted to see you. I wanted to hang out with you. I wanted to see you I wanted to hang out with you I wanted to reiterate everything that we did what makes me even more proud of what is tonight

is you brung your wife you brung your son amen amen amen in case you don't know, my son works here. But all my sons work for me for some reason.

There's some problems. How are they not working for you? Because they good. Are you paying them? I pay everybody. I pay the light. I don't even know why. But, um, I pay the light. But, um... I paid a lighter.

But, you know, you to bring your family, that meant the world to me. Because, you know, um... Everything that we all went through, we all have better, better, better great memories.

And for you to all have better right a great memories and for you to come then feel like you know what this is where we supposed to move on to where we both go on to the next chapter of our life is our family supposed to know our family. Sure. Like, your wife's supposed to go come in, get a bag or get a meal with my wife. Right. Without calling us. Right. That's what I love about me and Fat Joe's relationship.

I don't think me and Fat Joe's ever been on the phone. That's what I mean. Our wives just talk to each other. I don't know why we think we gambino's and shit, but I actually enjoy it. And that's what me and you spoke about. For sure. Salute. Amen.

Mayhem. Which ironically, because when Martin left, you kind of like, you was dead. Yeah. That was Mayhem. You had to get on my ass. Which ironically, because when Martin left, you kind of like, you was dead. Yeah, because man, you stay. That's why you got all the deaths. I looked at him and I was like, yo, that's the worry for a death. And the boss said, there's some metal foot in here.

There's something else. Which was real. Right. Because if you think about it, if you were just here for the War Report, very next album is N.O.R.E. Correct. And if you listen to the N.O.R.E. skits, it's Melvin, that's me, it's you and Jungle. Straight up. A lot of people don't know that. Jungle's an AR. And by the way, I bumped into Jungle with Andreessen Horowitz, with Ben Horowitz. Whole other thing. And it's crazy that we met there. Wow. But I'm at dinners and events.

And it's that third with Ben and his family and Fleacher Horowitz and Sophia Horowitz and meeting, and then doubling back with Jungle. Like, remember what we did this, that, and the third? And remember I called you when we was at a dinner. I was like, yo, Nori, you have a little something for Jungle this, that, and the third. Yes, wow.

So I say that to say, proud of you. Thank you. Because through the grapevine, wasn't through just the War Report. Through the Greg Vine, everybody said, Do you know how good your man is doing? Do you know how good this guy is doing? I'm like, No, how good is he doing? Luckily, I'm doing great myself.

I'm just doing well and tap in. And they're like, Man, mayhem is doing phenomenal. Then people started calling you Greg, and I said, this is the best one. Who's Greg? Greg the, the redneck tycoon. Greg's popular. When they start calling you your first or last name, you're different. And I was like, what?

I'm so proud. I'm not, not I was? I'm so proud. I'm not. Not I was. I am so proud. And I'm so proud of this machine, of just us being able to sit here and maintain this camaraderie. Did I say it right? Yeah.

To be able to continue to represent the War Report. I remember me sitting there with one of our producers. Our producer's asking, well, are you gonna do a concert for it? And today's episode can find that I would definitely. I'm doing one concert. Now my leg is fucked up. Hey, fuck it.

We'll figure it out. We got time. My leg is fucked up. That's a thing. Hey, fuck it. We'll figure it out. We got time. That's a thing. I used to go in the studio. I shouldn't be underrated. I was working on a Laura movie. I ain't know a lot.

I'm serious, man. Oh, shit. My brother was a road arrest. He wasn't right. We was doing rapper. My bro's a writer. No. We was doing that shit together. I was using it. I was literally... That's the beef.

That's the beef. I was literally writing fast. Like, sooner, sooner, sooner. You rap, you doing this on the radio. Yeah, I would write rhymes on the radio. Real shit. But thank you, thank you, bro. You ain't have to do that.

Listen, listen. He's taking his left right shit too far. No, real shit. I don't even know if real shit is very good. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, real shit. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to shit too far. No, no, no. Real shit.

I don't know. Real shit. But, but, but, but, but, but, real shit. Because I want everyone to know that everything I said is not play around. Everything is really to live and to do it and to help what Traj said earlier. Because he said he wanted to do it again. And I would love to do it and to help what Trag said earlier, because he said he wanted to do it again. And I would love to do it again. I would love to do it again in a person, in a fashion.

I could do it again. I'm going to the Bahamas, brother. I don't think the Bahamas is the right spot. Toronto. That shit different for me. It's got to be the city. It's got to be the city. I'll do Toronto. That shit different for me. You gotta be in the city. You gotta be in the city. I'll do Toronto.

I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto.

I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto.

I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. I'll do Toronto. Where you wanna go, bro? Where you wanna go? But it's crazy. What is the crazy? Y'all too nice. I don't know what y'all mean. That's gonna be island of the arts. I tell you what you gotta do. You gotta go to the beach and be angry. And go somewhere. Go to the beach in New York and be angry.

Go to the beach in New York and be angry. You gotta pick the beach in New York and be angry. Don't do it in the island, bro. What producers? Who are the producers? The ladies. The ladies. The ladies.

The ladies. The ladies. The ladies. The ladies. The ladies. The ladies. The ladies. The ladies. The ladies. The ladies. You gotta pick the beats in New York and be angry. Don't do it in Long Island, bro. What producers? Mexico, in the hood, let's go.

I'm coming home while we do it. You know what? We're gonna let you do your thing. We gotta hire the next D.R. Yeah, the next generation. D.R. D.R. D.R.

I'm gonna do D.R. Nah, nah, don't do D.R. You're gonna be a paradise. Let's just go to Haiti. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm gonna do Dior. Nah, nah, don't do Dior, because he'll be on the fucking... Nah, he's gonna be in paradise. He's just going to Haiti. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in.

I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in.

I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. feet no guys Toronto I think is a good place no we gotta go back to power play

man come on man they still got down there. Let's go get them and put them in a museum. Let's get them. You see how I roll. Come on. Let's tell y'all. That's why we should do this hour.

Because I want to go to Bel Air. No, man. Let's not work at the airport. Let's go take a picture of me out there.

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