Drink Champs - Episode 325 w/ Ja Rule & Irv Gotti

Episode Date: August 5, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only Ja Rule & Irv Gotti!  It’s murdaaaaaa! Ja Rule & Irv Gotti join us to share the Murder Inc story. Ja and Irv shares stories when Murder Inc had the game on lock and much much more!  Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Make sure to tune into “The Murder Inc Story” August 9th on BET.  Make some noise Ja Rule, Irv Gotti & Murder Inc!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 Listen and subscribe at http://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Okay, but let's just get this intro. We got a call from a powerful conglomerate, black conglomerate, and they said, we got something called the Murder, Inc. Documentary, the Murder, Inc. Files, and we said, for real? For real, Delia? Pericardalia? And I'm going to say it all. We said, pericardalia? So how is it? Because we've seen BET

do the Rough Rider documentary. We've seen BET do the No Limit. Dope. Both of those dope docs. But this is talking about Queens. This is bringing it back to the essence. Queens get the money. So in case you guys don't know who the fuck I'm talking about,

we're talking about one of the greatest producers of all times. And we're talking about one of the illest creative people of all times. And everyone is still biting his style right now to this day. Yes. If you sing it, motherfucker. My nigga did that. to this day. Yes! If you singing, motherfucker, then my nigga did that! Yes! First!

Yes! In case you don't know who the fuck I'm talking about, I'm talking about the one, only, herb goddy, the motherfucking Ja Rule! Raise your hand! Let's get drunk! Now, hold on. Let me pay both of y'all back.

Let me pay both of y'all back. I'm on some red boy shit. Fucking cup. Fucking cup. My nigga got... Yeah, you can show them up. Hold on. Let me ask you. Let me say something.

Prime nigga juice. The minute I put it out on Twitter, I said, I got Irv, Gotti, and Ja Rule. The very first question that they bombarded is, would they ever do a Murder, Inc. versus?

Which was crazy because I'm on the way listening to the Murder, Inc. catalog. And I'm like, damn. I think Rule kind of cemented when he did the verses with Fat Joe. Fat Joe. I see you in the comments.

What up, Joe? I see you in the comments. I think he kind of cemented like, we ain't nothing to fuck with. Like, we ain't nothing to fuck with. Like, we ain't nothing to fuck with. Like, the murder ring catalog. I mean, what did they say? You get 20 hits?

Yeah. Come on, man. But against a crew. I mean, I think you gotta go more than 20 if you do a cruise, right? Yeah, absolutely. So you're saying 40? Yeah, you gotta, I think you gotta expand it

a little bit, right? Okay, so who would y'all wanna go against? You probably gotta do like 50 records, right? 50 records, okay. Something like that. Who would you think you'd go against Murder, Inc. against who? It would have to be Bad Boy,

which is the only thing that's comparable. That's a rock act. Make sure we all can do it. I can't go, I can't say Drake because the music is different.

Right. You know what I'm saying? It's hard going against them gangsta-ass records. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to lie to you, Gotti. Listening to the

Murder, Inc. catalog just now, I was like, Dan, I totally forgot how much. It's countless. It's a lot. And that's why I said, you know, the only thing would be Bad Boy. That's it.

Because I'm going to tell you something. One of my favorite records, here you rock with me. Oh, baby. I don't know if you remember, I went on tour with Cadillac Tide. This is when y'all was on fire. And Cadillac Tide was like the first nigga to come out. And I was the headliner. And I made Cadillac Tide. This is when y'all was on fire. And Cadillac Tide, Cadillac Tide was like the first nigga to come out. And I was the headliner.

And I made Cadillac Tide come back out, because I had love for Murder, Inc. Park City? And before I would let him come out, though, I said, would you come out for me? I'm the Ava Neesley. Hey, ain't this a hardcore gangster rapper? What is he doing dancing to a shotty shit?

You know what I'm saying? Put this shit over to the side. OK, OK. And God, y'all got it immediately notice your watch That is an oyster perpetual master. That's That is a master. It's a masterpiece. I don't even really like the jewelry. I'm Walmart Rockefeller chain, okay, but you're not gonna skip over that one sir, okay? That is not but see I got the ring. It's like we princess to watch

It's like we princess the watch Your man gotta protect, when I see you pretend, I said, hold up. You streaming that nigga's right. Hold up. Hold up. You ain't gonna disrespect my watch like that. You gonna change the face on it. You see the face on that? You counting calories? You got the NFTs popping out of it.

You got NFTs. That's the NFTs. You see the face on that. You know, you know. You know, you know. You know, you know. You know, you know. You know earlier on the NFTs.

You was up earlier. Yo, explain it. Oh, shit. You know what's so good about this watch?Ts. You knew this earlier. Explain it. Oh, shit. You know what's so good about this watch? Nobody has that. That is very limited edition. No.

You know what's so dope about this watch that coincides with the murdering story or documentary? Uh-huh. Ashanti bought me this watch. Oh. Yeah. I like that. I didn't know that. Ashanti. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. I want y I didn't know that. Holy cow!

I want y'all to know something. Time out. I want y'all to know something. As we dig into these stories, I'm 20 years deep in law with the family and everything. You got this hit engraved? Don't tell me it's engraved. I didn't know that. Just to let y'all know, I don't know everything, you understand? I just be in the... I'm over here doing what I do.

Shit, man. My eyesight ain't good. Let me see. Let me read it. Let me see. Let me read it. Read the engraving. It's very nice. Ashanti. I'm blonder than this. I can't see it, Nick. Can anyone see? No, no, no. We tried that before. We can't read it. Bring my glasses. Bring my glasses. Let me get my good glasses out the bag, man.

Let me see. Let me see. You can't get that watch no more. That is a plastic. Let me get my good glasses out the bag, man. Hey, buddy, this is true. This is big truth. It says something. It says love. Love. Let me see. Hold on. I want to read it. Hold on. Let me get my...

You better not put on them old man glasses. All right. You're sticking to them. I'm disrespecting you, man. Come on, man. I'm disrespecting you, man. Let me see, my brother. Let me see. I can't read. Come on, man. Don't distract me, man. Let me see, my brother. Let me see. I can't read.

Come on, man. Oh, OK. That was his hip, too. It says the lover. Shut up, man. There's no pause, man. What, a prescription in it? I ain't never seen that before.

The rule is always in style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Read it. OK. See if you can see that. Yeah.

Damn. I still can't see. It says, is a memory, I still can't say that. It says... is a memory, I think. You change...what? Changed lives. You changed lives. Yeah, that's what it says. Changed lives. Forever. Forever love, Ashanti.

Um, wait. Yeah. Fuck you. That was hilarious. That's what it really is. You change lives forever. Wow. Love, Ashanti. That was immediately something that I noticed when I watched Ashanti's Walk of Fame. I immediately said, Mr. Lorenzo's not there. Yeah, yeah.

And I felt like you was a hater. I kind of did. I'm not a hater. You're not a hater. I'm not invited. I'm not invited to those things. Me and her ain't like, you know what I'm saying? We don't get along. You got to go, though.

They don't have a relationship. I felt like me looking for the outsider looking in. That's an insider. That's an outsider. But an outsider looking in, nonetheless. Right? Right? You understand that?

I know you probably didn't, but you did. You know what I'm saying? See what we're talking about. Yeah, but I just want, because I wanted, like, it felt good. I'm never a hater. No, no, no. Let me rephrase that. Remove, I am never a hater.

Me and Nishanti created and made history. Right. Right? But we just, I don't see eye to eye with her anymore. Let me explain what I meant, right? Because the week after that, I went to DJ Khaled's. I always pronounce his name wrong. And I got to see Jay. Diddy. And I got to see Diddy. And I always pronounce his name wrong. And I got to see Jay.

Diddy. And I got to see Diddy. And I got to see Fat Joe. And I got to see, you know, Corey. And all these other people that was behind the scenes of Khaled. That probably didn't necessarily get those big pictures. Like, you know, it's the very, how do you get the stars, them three pictures. But here's the difference.

Hold on, hold on. Khaled probably called them and asked them to do that But when I went college didn't call me and I showed up But um when I went back I was like damn I wanted to see God I wanted to see you there whether you invited or not to just throw the murder ink behind her when you know when they put I wanted God to be like this with you with your murdering sign behind I don't even know if that's a thing. That's a Chinese thing. But you know, you know what I mean, when they do the Hollywood shit, I want it to be like this, with your murdering sign behind it.

I'm just for peace, you know. Me too. I want everybody to be in harmony and peace. Not to say that we got to hang out and, you know, and create and do things together, but be at peace so when it's time for us to come together for things like this,

it can be... It can be cordial. It can be a moment for the whole world and family to celebrate our victories. I'm a cancer. Listen, I'm a cancer, dog. I love hard. Pop my body. Pop my body. Hey! Hey! But listen, I'm a cancer, dawg. Okay. I love hard.

But what, you cheerleading? I love hard and I don't love hard. Nah, but you got to, you know what I'm saying? Listen. Were you a cheerleader though, right? I was cheerleading watching the ceremony. Here's the thing. I didn't watch it.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. We created something special. I didn't fucking watch it. We created something special. Even Mark Jackson watched. And it's like, this is 20 years later coming up for all of us, and 20 years

for Ashanti, my 20s past. Because you was at the ceremony. I was there. You were living it up. Listen, when we did the doc, we tried to get Ashanti three different times. She turned it down each and every time. So what I like to say is just the other side.

We've tried when we flirted with the idea of doing the Murder, Inc. reunion tour. I love that idea. Yeah, she turned it down. I'm never fucking with y'all. She didn't say that. Basically. So, you know, when... Is it about the Masters?

Because I watch the Breakfast Club. Listen, listen, listen. Let's speak on the Masters. I know that's going to come up. First of all, I'm not like Lucien Grange. From Empire? No, Lucien Grange owns,

or he runs the Universal Music oh that's when Kanye so mom I'm not Lucien I know that's what I thought was your range only I let you know I get that much thing Lucy and Grange ain't giving nobody back they master Wow and he owns thousands of them I own the hot maybe 25. Lucy and Grange wasn't in the studio with you making those records. Right. I made those Ashanti records. Can you rock with me?

Oh, I made those records. You know what I'm saying? Like, she wrote them, but she wrote them with the help of me telling her what to write. And all of y'all, whoever knows me y'all whoever knows me I don't lie I don't I don't I'm not a liar you know I'm saying but I helped make those records right so I I own them like hey me and rule was talking today and I'm not gonna say no no but it, artists, I never signed my artists to 360 deals.

Right. I never said, give me some of your show money or. And Leo's your mentor, you could've, you could've. Cause Leo's a 360 motherfucker. He is 360, you look up 360, his face, his back. But I never did that. I was, I feel I was always very good to my artists. That was before our time.

Just to be fair, 360 was before our time. Alright, but what I'm saying is- But Lloyd could've been 360 though. No, but listen, listen. He could've 360'd. It was before Lloyd's time too. Let me make this statement. Okay.

Artists have a way of getting money. Rule makes a lot of money. Yes he does. Doing shows. Ashanti makes a lot of money doing shows. So what's left for the guy who was the record label who helped make the records? How I make money out of this is the masters.

So how am I supposed to feel when you want to remove that aspect? You really basically saying you don't want Sonny, Jay-Jay and Angie, my beautiful kids, you don't want them to eat. Is there a compromise? Because we heard what she said on the Breakfast Club. Ain't no fucking compromise.

She asked for the instrumentals back. Let's definitely address that. Okay, alright, cool. I'm trying to be good at my job. Is this camera on? I want y'all to know that. Ashanti. Oh shit. I'm not falling for the banana and the tailpipe. I didn't know that's where we were going.

This is exactly where we're going. She's been performing for 20 years. She's never asked for her stems. She's asking for her stems because here's what I suggest happened. She went in the studio and tried to redo, Baby, baby, baby. Mary Jane! You can't do that.

You could do that. That's where we took it from. Right? So she probably went in the studio, tried to recreate this, and fell drastically short with people saying that don't sound like what they did. I need my stems. You know what stems are. Yes.

So you want me to give you the stems of your whole album now after 20 years. So you're saying you need it for shows. Right. You want to take my stems and now you're going to fucking be able to remake your album. And you wouldn't be able to get a dollar of that? I didn't ever. No, I still eat off of it because I own the publishing. Okay.

Okay. Jesus. Okay? Yes. And let me, you know when she be on the shows and she's like, I'm going to spritz it up and jazz it up. Is this the camera? Yes. Ashanti, you cannot spritz it up.

You cannot jazz it up. The minute you put some spritzy and jazz it up, it's not a cover. So when it's not a cover, now it has to come back to me to clear it. Let me give you an example Ashanti we had this record with Vida called justify my love the Madonna shit yes I remember we redid that record and we spritzed it up we Vida spit a verse Madonna said rejected no that's my classic. We took the verse off and we made that record identically the same. To Lenny Kravitz, his ad libs. Ashanti did the ad libs.

But we had to make it identical. If you change anything, it reverts back to the writers to clear it. Wow. Let me just give you the answer now. No. No. No. No. So, it's up to you and whatever bullshit players and musicians you have

to recreate the magic that we made, me, Chink, and Seven. Already got your answer? Let's move on to Seven. Hey, man. Look, I'm with you. I'm glad because... I just want peace. And you know what?

It's crazy because I'm caught in the middle of this shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yes, you are. Not really. Not really. Yes, you are. Honestly, I'm not, but I am by default. Because it has nothing to fucking do with me.

You understand? But... I think you're like an owner of Murder, Inc. somewhere, right? No, no. You know, listen... You claiming it now? Don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't do that. But I really... No, no. That's not even the point. Because you might be caught in a catch-22 too because you're an artist. The point is this. I'm a different type of an artist. Right.

I see both sides of the argument. Mm-hmm. You know, all artists want their masters back. Yes. It's just facts. Make new masters. That's just what artists want. And right now the white people are being like,

your written entertainment makes it no shit. Or buy them back, or however the fuck you got to go about your business. That's what I asked about the compromise. But there is a way to get your masters back. There are many ways. You know what I'm saying? Buy it back? It's just like, this argument doesn't have to take place.

She's going to have to buy it back from this guy named Olivier Chastain. He sounds dangerous. He's a billionaire Frenchman. He's my guy, and I'm entering a deal with him for a lot of money. We're supposed to make some noise for that. I believe we've got to make some noise for that. Yes. I'm going to go ahead and say it.

I ain't even drunk, but I signed a letter of intent. It's like $250 million. You saw the catalog? No, not just the catalog, but to give me funding for visionary ideas. Wow. So what we're looking at now is I will own my TV. I will own my movies that I make. I am fully funded with a partner.

I have like a 200 million line of credit where I can go out and be who I'm supposed to be in this motherfucker. So not just, it was a conversation actually I had with Mark Lazzari. Mark Lazzari is a billionaire friend. He owns the Milwaukee Bucks. And I was over his house one day. It's a beautiful home.

He better. Yeah, and I'm sitting here. I'm sitting there and I was just shooting the shit to be honest with you. And I was just telling him all. He's like, what's going on? I'm like, man, I'm like DreamWorks, yo. I'm like, you know,

being braggadocious. I'm like, you know, I direct, I produce, I make this shit, I write this shit, I do everything. And when I finished, he looked at me, he said, yo, you said everything but the right thing. And I was like, what are you talking about? He says, you don't own it.

And then he proceeded to drill in my head, you cannot sell what you don't own. So we was talking, and every two minutes he would stop and say, yo, you can't sell what you don't own. He drilled it in my head. But I was like, yo, TV series, like I'm making this TV series with my BET family called Trap Queens. It's like 30 million. You know, TV series is 3 million in that, 10 apps. So I said, Joe, I ain't got the money to do

that. And then he said the illest shit to me. He said getting the money is nothing. He said there's so many people out here, hedge funds, rich guys that got billions of dollars to invest in the entertainment business.

He said, what they don't have, Gotti, is you. Right. You have all the ideas, the creativity, and the know-how to make it. And the experience. He said, all you need is the bread. Mm. He said, we're going to get you the bread. Jeez. the bread. He said, we're going to get you the bread.

Another big guy is Zach Harris. Zach Harris used to be the COO of the Universal Music Group. And I like to say this. This is maybe a tad bit racist or whatever, right? No, no, no. Listen, it's good racist though. There's nothing

Listen, listen, listen, there is nothing better in the world than having a rich, successful white man blow you up to another rich, successful white man. It resonates kind of harder when Zach calls Olivier and like, yo, Gotti made the Universal Music Group billions. You need to get behind this motherfucker. He's gonna be successful, he's gonna win. And then incredible things happen, like $250 million deals.

Jesus. Yes, I think we got to make that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! million dollar deals. Jesus. Yes. Jesus. Yes. Yes. So, John, you also got the Icon thing popping. Yeah. Tell us, people, explain what Icon is. You just had the Ray Kwan concert.

Oh, the Ray Kwan concert. He just showed me. That was crazy. I was in L.A. for it. John's on to something humongous with these vibe concerts and getting these legendary artists to perform their legendary albums. Everyone needs to see it. Everyone. So tell us about it, Jive. What was the first one? The first one was you, right? Yeah, I did the first one. Let me see. No, I'm one of these. Okay, yeah, yeah Kanye West smoke it's gone

they gonna want smoke chance I think so free rolls yeah these are pre-rolls we got them in stores in California just in case y'all this okay yeah yeah I forgot you you know give me that yeah yeah yeah, I forgot. You, you, you're like, I don't give you that blunts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is, you got that live resume. You got to be careful. I do, this is strong. Yeah, give it a joint, give it a joint.

What's the joint? This is strong. So, tell us, tell us, tell us. So, okay. So, Icon is my live streaming platform. Okay. Dope platform. Vibes Concert Series is a series that I created to be on the platform.

This is sexy. This is prescribed to the people. It's sexy, man. It's grown and sexy. It's grown and sexy hip-hop fly shit. Not too many people got face tattoos. Nah, it's just grown and sexy hip-hop fly shit. You know what I mean?

I wanted to bring back a nice vibe of us getting dressed up, going out to the spots, dinner, drinks, artists performing with a live band, you know, the whole vibe of that. So that's what Vibes Concerts is. And I did the first one, you know, suited and booted. I did my album, Pain is Love.

And that's what it's about. It's about artists doing their classic albums. You know, rendition of their classic albums. And it's totality, the whole... And it's totality, yeah. Can you do other songs? You can do other songs. You can do other songs.

You can make it your own. That's what it's called, a vibe. So you can kind of do other things. Ray and them did way beyond. I just want to say shout out to my brothers. Yeah, I've seen them singing. They crushed it. They went way beyond what I thought they was going to do.

You know what I mean? They was out there having a good time. Once you get in there, you got your suit on, and you feel, you know, you called me. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a vibe. It's a vibe.

I think you called me. You said, what should I do next? And I think we agreed. It was right on. I was like, yo, I think we should do right now the perfect shape. Absolutely. The perfect shape.

And they came through and destroyed it. What else is in it? No, you're good. Ain't nothing. Ain't nothing fouling it. I don't know why y'all doing this to me. Is this a Jeffree? No, it's not a Jeffree.

It's a Jeffree. It's a Jeffree. It's a Jeffree. It's a Jeffree. You won't be curving it for very long. It tastes a little different. It's not a Jeffree. It's not a Jeffree.

It's a La Bresse. It's called La Bresse. It's the highest fall. It ain't something else in it. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's the little different. It's not just Jeffery. It's Drew. It's LaBrett. It's called LaBrett. It's the highest form. It ain't something else in it. It's one. It's one. It's one. It's the highest form.

It's what they do dabs in. You know what they do dabs in? It's the Jeffery. Oh, it's the Jeffery. That's what it's in the bud. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's real shit. Real shit.

It ain't in that one? It ain't in the Smoke Champs one? No. Smoke Champs one got a different version of it. They think it's put heroin in it. Yeah. They go four's put heroin in there. Yeah. They go four free rolls with heroin. So it's not, it don't taste like.

No, it's live red. Now they telling me, it's live red. Yeah. It's got heroin in it. Oh, yeah. So the beautiful thing is they want to. One time with heroin. One time with.

Hey. They want to assure. They want to assure they get a great one from God. The beautiful thing about y'all relationship, right, is like most people like, like for the verses, for instance, right? Jah was there. It's almost like you was there by yourself. But even though God, he wasn't there, your presence was felt like you made sure that your presence was felt like no disrespect to fat Joe, right? But I knew what was gonna happen, but It's but so many records right it's but so many records you're gonna do

This thing is gonna go the whole time. And let me tell you something. The conversations me and Ru, Ru was ready for whatever. Right. Thank God Joe didn't go there. But let's just be clear. Thank God. Let's be clear. I'm telling you, thank God.

No, no, but let's be clear because it almost felt like... People don't know. Ru, Ru, we made all of these. This nigga is a battle rapper. Right, rapper right this is the shit that I just I don't even talk about it no more like this nigga gets busy and I know he's my brother I'm gonna know this nigga is a savage and he's competitive with a fucking very I'm gonna kill you but that's how we came up. The way we came up was, yo, we're going to kill these motherfuckers.

It wasn't no playing around with them. We got to kill these motherfuckers. Now, the way we killed them was with those big ass records. But like I say to people, we could have went another route with Rule. But what happened? Nigga, I did X. I did J. route with rule but what happened nigga i did x i did j that's why i'm like yo our accomplishments should be definitely revealed because the niggas who i helped become the biggest niggas in the

world was in our way that's why i say rule 336 is the greatest work i've ever done. These niggas is in our way. And these niggas is nice. They're not regular. Hov is the coolest nigga on the planet. X is the glamiest nigga on the planet. Feel me? And look, we sold two, three million with Vinny Bettevici. Wow.

But nigga, we wasn't happy. Jay just did fucking like eight, nine million with Allny Beravici. Wow. But nigga, we wasn't happy. Jay just did fucking like eight, nine million with Hard Knock Life. X did two, seven and like five. Nigga, fuck this

two, three million. Which I hit me with. That's what John said. That's what Jay did. That's what

John said. You understand what I'm saying? That's why Rule 336, I love that album so much because of the simple fact. That's the second album, correct? That's when, yes,

that's when the Murder Ring sound was created. We fucking created that sound out of necessity because we wasn't satisfied with double, triple platinum. Right. Look at Rule 336, this six.

I can't lie to you. I remember hanging with Ja at that time. That's when we first kind of like moved. In that jersey. I remember Ja being so angry, but so in the moment, knowing who you are. Like, I've never seen an artist to this day knew who they were. Like, I didn't know who I was until two years ago and shit. You know what I'm saying?

But you said to me, you was like, yo, they keep comparing me to X, and I'ma do so. Yeah. To make these motherfuckers know that I am a different type of animal. And that's when you start coming home with these records. I ain't always on time. And I was like, cool up.

I'm taking X to see two, and I'm not making these segments. I'm like, they're not working for me. We're taking a little feast here and there. Now ecstasy ain't going to really work for a hardcore. He's dropping his emotions

and shit and I'm trying to do the same thing. It's not working out for me. I had to stop immediately. I do exercise. It ain't working out for me. Hey, man. I've never said I'm not going to stop forever.

I'm just telling that out there. But what I'm trying to say is I remember and it was like holla holla had you in one space and then that next album was like you was and it was crazy because I believe you had the braids halfway done and can't get brains yeah when he does the did, and Gru was, yeah, love you, X. But you know what I'm saying, when you look at that album, it was so brilliant. Right. Because every aspect to say, we're not that and we're this.

Remember, he had Gru's hair. Nigga, I thought I was Jimmy motherfucking Hendrix, nigga. Hey, man. Yo, I'm telling you. If you see some of the pictures and shit that I was taking and shit, I had the bandana wrapped to the back,

my little afro growing out and shit. Yeah, I was on some other shit. I was on some, if these niggas is doing this, I'm going to be a rock star. I'm going to go

laugh on these niggas. But this is going into the second album, right? This is going into the second album. Let's give them one. This is Drinkshares. Hey, this is Drinkshares.

Let's give them one. Let's go, baby. We ready. Okay, I'm going to give's give him one. This is Drinkshares. Hey, this is Drinkshares. Let's give him one. Let's go, baby. We ready. Okay, let me give y'all one. Aw, shit. So, X is going crazy. Right. I hate it.

Gotti, if one more motherfucker says I'm Jai Rule or fucking thinks that Holla Holla record is mine, I'm going to bite him. These conversations, I don't know about it. This is me and X. I'm gonna buy that I know I know you love roll. I know you love me Just say I said X. I'm never staying out of it. Okay, right Flesher my flesh blood of my blood I Produced two songs.

This is the Left Titty song? Yes. Used to be my dog, you was in my left titty. You was out of line, Gotti. What kind of fucking bullshit is this? Hold on, hold on! You produced the record! Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Hold on, this is snoring!

Hold on, this is snoring! Let's keep it This is snoring. Hold on. This is snoring. Let's keep it real. This is snoring. Let's keep it real. It was a whack of shit, everybody. No, but Ruel, you don't remember. Now, I'm going to refresh you. I played Ruel once that day, because I

knew who X was talking about. Right. Mm. Mm. Definitely heroin. But yo. Definitely heroin So I played a record for Rule in my truck Right

Rule, do you remember your reaction? I don't Okay He was incensed I'll never forget the reaction I don't remember He was like And I asked him

Yo, I'm pulling the record. And my man screamed, no, leave it. And in true rule fashion, if he wants it, he can get it. And I'm telling you,

that record, hindsight, I think it pushed rules, creativity, and everything. I'm going to beat these niggas. That was a switch. I'm going to beat these niggas, Gotti. Leave it. So I was going to pull the record.

I was like, yo, I'm just going to pull the record. He said no. He said leave it. I don't know. And if y'all know when rules incensed, it's scary. I don't remember. When he's incensed. Yes.

Holy shit. Do you think I'm lying? No. I'm not lying. No. I played him the record as soon as the day and he was incensed because he could see it. And I'm just watching him. Like, I could see the anger building up.

And he's like ah they wanted they could get it like he was he was different right i used to say like with rule but that all what i'm saying i give you that story because it explains the makeup of ja rule especially during that time. And it was so crazy for me because him, Jay, I've known Jay first. I met Ja last of the three, but he,

I met Ja last of the three. I've known Jay since 87. Listen, Jody Mac, who is Jody? Chris Black right there. He is responsible. So Jody Mac, Cash Money Click. This is before Cash Money. Oh, he's on to fifth hustling with a pack of cracks in the gun

125th Street Harlem to fifth and how For continue this thing is telling me so I knew I had no faith in my drama Who's gonna save that for later. We do. I mean, we had, listen, here's the facts of the matter. You called me one of the greatest hip-hop producers. The nigga who I made Shits Real for, look at his album, his first album.

Two songs, Shits Real and It's Time to Build with JX and Ja. I produced no other. I produced no other records. That guy didn't want to fuck with me for whatever reason. For whatever reason, he didn't believe in me. He did not believe in me. Mike Geronimo, we talked about. Yes. So I'm scrambling.

I got to deal with TVT. I need some another act. I can't put no trust and faith in this bitch ass nigga so now I Go to Jody. I'm going to bed He's hustling broad daylight. I'm standing up So I'm telling him my fucking struggles Jody says yo, I could rap. I immediately say, get the fuck

out of here, nigga. You hustler. Immediately shut him down. What? I didn't hear you spit a verse since I know you, nigga. I've known you for a minute. Now you a rapper? No, nigga. You're a hustler. You're a drug dealer. So then

he, as a hustler do, now I'm in a group. Tells me he's in the group. I said, all right, where's the group? He says, yo, 01 and Jop, I don't know these niggas. He brings me to him, and truth be told, the minute rules spit, I was in, both feet. I think shortly after that, Jody goes to jail. He gets locked up.

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Y'all had a deal with Steve Gottlieb. Yes, we had a deal. Steve Gottlieb. And what people don't know is how I got to Leo was because of Rule. Wow. I got to Leo because we was jacking the box. Every time we seen, you're wrong, Meth and Mary, I would order 728, which was get the fortune. So Leo seen this shit and wanted to sign Rule. Wow. On the box? On the box. You talking about seen this shit and wanted to sign rules.

On the box? On the box. You talking about this? The jukebox. Okay, okay. Nigga, you knew they were going to see it. Nigga, I'm a savage. That was it.

Hold on. We knew the public would see it. Let me tell you how I did it. Wow, that's hell. I'm a fucking savage. I've never heard this shit. I attained the 1-900 numbers because how the box made money. I'm a fucking savage. I've never heard this shit. I don't even know. I attained the 1-900 numbers, because how the box made money.

This was a brilliant idea. How the box made money is the videos only played like a 20 block radius, and then there was a different 1-900 number. This was a brilliant idea, yo. I literally had, in the whole country, all the 1-900 numbers. Or the mother. Don't ask me how I got it, nigga, but I was a savage.

And we go to the studio. So listen, at first, we was giving out the numbers to our family members, friends, every time you see them after marriage, you owe a thousand. But your family members was using it because it cost like a dime. It cost like a dime, so let me tell you,

so it got expensive, so we was like, yo, we can't keep asking people to do this. Go to the studio. This nigga said, well, go to the studio. Charge it to the studio? Yo, studio. We're buying studio time. They don't know.

They don't know. Charge it to the budget. Yo, we know what I killed. You know who I killed? You know who I killed? I stayed in that bitch's for three days. Indeed. Right track.

Tony Dorsey, Master Disc Studios Master Disc is a facility that used to be for mastering a record and if you've ever been to a mastering facility they treat you great

whatever you want to eat whatever it is that is the carte blanche I go in there 1-900 number work 728 I'm lit I stayed in there One nine hundred number work seven to eight. I'm lit. I stayed in there for three days We broke the top ten and that was with the TV budget 20 grand here's another fun fact. Oh my god

Was bringing us film stock from the K7. Come, baby, come, baby, baby, come. No, Mary J. Blige, too. He stole it from Mary J. Blige. I didn't want to throw Mary under the blush. Hey, I love you, Mary J. Blige. Thank you.

Nigga, he literally, in his Grand Cherokee, oh, pop the trunk, the hatch, and be giving us film to shoot our shit. I shot two videos for 10 grand apiece. You know, the ladies were paying mad money to shoot their shit. So what he did, though, he over-ordered for them and gave us the 35 millimeter footage.

Oh, man, so we could shoot our shit. These are great stories. And y'all shot Cash Money. We shot Cash Money. And then put it on the box. Leo saw it. And then Leo our shit. These are great stories. And y'all shot Cash Money. We shot Cash Money. And then put it on the box, Lior saw it. And then Lior saw it. Wanted job.

Lior was like, who's the fucking little guy with the huge voice? It was Jam Master Jay. It was Jam Master Jay. God rest his soul. Jam Master Jay. Jam Master Jay. Jam Master Jay, they was having a meeting.

With Lior? No, the whole staff. This is urban fucking, you know, urban tales and shit. I don't know how true this is. They said they was having a meeting, all of them in the room. Good heroin. And they were fucking admiring their fucking great work.

Good heroin. And then the video came on. And JMSJ stood up and said, that little nigga right there, I know he's gonna to be a star. And then that, Lior yeah, we're going to get to it. You know the first time I met you was with Lior?

Yes. That's crazy. Lior loves you. He got you that watch with diamonds and his fucking dancing. He bought me a rapper kit. He bought me a rapper kit. Get started.

Was it bandana in there too? Nah, I had that already. dancing right now he want me to wrap a kid he wanted to be a rapper get started started you know how he got x he got him a dog chain it was like he bought him a dog chain and x was like the happiest thing in the world. Sorry to change the subject a little bit, but how come out of most of us, right? All of us made money with Lior, but out of most of us, there's only one person who actually has a real discrepancy with Lior. Dame. Dame, yeah.

Why do you think that? And I'll try to look it in again. Lior probably stole or helped forge the bullshit between Dame and Jay. But let's suppose I was Leo. I can't do that with you and Ja. Nah, Leo's a wizard. It's very true. All he had to do was go, Jay, you're cool with splitting this three ways? That's it.

It was over. From that day forward, it was over. Because Jay is Jay. Right? And he's sitting there looking. And's like i don't really need i just need me so all leo had to do with drinking someone so jay he poured him glass you're cool with this three-way split oh my god that's all he had to do not saying that that happened right i'm exaggerating that but i think that's what happened and that that's why Dame will forever hate Lior. Fair enough.

I was going to go a little deeper. Why, you think it's deeper than that? I was going to go a little further. I don't want to. I think that was fair enough. That's the cause of it. Yeah. That's the cause.

If you're talking Lior. Right. All right, because here's truth be told. When we first got to Def Jam, everyone loved Lee Hall. Dame, too. Wow. Dame, too. Biggs.

Biggs always was the cool nigga. Jay. But we all, you know, we'd be on the private jet going to Green Bay Packer games together. You know what I'm saying? Aaron Rodgers? No, Brett Favre. Brett Favre all the time. And I might say that Lambeau Field is absolutely the frozen tundra that they say.

We left by halftime. There's two calls. Did you wear a cheese hat? I didn't get a cheese hat. We were trying to get blankets, nigga. You don't understand. You don't understand. Hey, let me...

Hold on. You think Lambeau Field? This shit is like a high school stadium. You know what the C saw? A metal bench. No back. Wow. shit is like a high school stadium. You know what the C saw? A metal bench. No back. Wow. It's like a high school stadium, and it's frozen.

That was a good trip. It was good, but we left. That was a good trip. We got the fuck out of the frozen tundra. Right. Leo's a huge Green Bay Packer fan. Yeah, Leo. Leo loves the Packers.

Y'all like the Packers? But that's what it is. It was all based on they started separating Jay and talking to Jay, and you drove Dame insane. I mean, that's fair enough. Why wouldn't Dame say that? Because Dame always, he doesn't act like that's that. He acts like it's, like coach of all, I believe he uses the word. Yeah, because he's going to throw a different scenario in it.

But Leo, I don't feel Leo's a culture vulture. Leo is just a tough fucking businessman. And if you let him jerk you, he's going to jerk you. Like he used to say, I would have kept God, he has an A&R, making $60,000 a year. This nigga didn't give me a bonus. I helped generate, listen, DMX, May 12th, I believe, Rush Hour soundtrack came out in August.

Jay came out in September. And then the nigga was so greedy, we need another X album. Could you do it? And we threw it together in like two weeks. What? In that year, he probably, just with those albums, 400 million he grows. Wow.

I think we should make some noise for that, goddammit. As we're making noise, I was making 60,000. And he wanted to kick his nigga, didn't give me a bonus, nothing. So then Ja, really, and then what happens is Dave McPherson of Sony, he offers me a label deal. Of Murder, Inc. Yes, he said, yo, let's go to dinner.

We went to the Shark Bar. Remember the Shark Bar? Shark Bar, I remember the Shark Bar. Barbecue Salmon. So we went to the Shark Bar, and he says, I don't want you to produce no records. I want to give you a label. And I was like, but, you know, every X, J, and Jai, they all signed the... He said, I don't care. We'll start something new and something fresh.

And they offered me the label deal. Then I met with Tommy, and Tommy was there. You need to be with me. Fuck Leo. You say Tommy Toto, but Tommy Toto. Let's be clear. Tommy Toto. Okay. And then this nigga Leo was trying to do the deal and give me half. Because was it you

who said that Tommy Toto called Corey Rooney a nigga? That's the J-Lo fiasco that I fucked up my relationship. I've seen Corey Rooney at Soho House, and he wanted to address it, but we've never got a chance to address it. What's he going to say? That he didn't say it?

He didn't say it to him. He said it to me. That's right. He said, I told that fat nigga. I said, what? I told Tommy, I said, yo, nigga, I'm going to fuck you up when I see you. This nigga's going to fuck you up in honor. Wait a minute.

Tommy said that shit? Tommy said that? You in it now, bro. You in it now. That's a hat. Listen. I don't ride with shit like that, so what we doing? No, listen.

That's it. I don't ride with shit like that. That's why the whole J-Lo interview happened. He did that. I hang the phone up. Elle magazine calls me. I'm on 10. OK, but one thing I Elle magazine calls me. I'm on ten. Okay, but one thing I know that you don't. I'm on three. It didn't. I'm a fuck-up.

Okay, this is okay. Here we go. Now get ahead with the story. I'm a total fuck-up. There we go. There we go with the story. Let me be clear. We seen, we moved back with J.Lo. We do not see you around. Nah. You know, it's weird. It's weird. But you know what? With J.Lo, it's all my fault.

I like that. I swear. But you know what? With J-Lo, it's all my fault. I like that. J-Lo was nothing but a great friend and a great thing. She calls a magazine to get quotes from me. Benny Medina was like, you're going to be like the Quincy Jones of Michael Jackson. Understand the two records I did for J-Lo was monster number ones all over the world. Yeah, y'all changed y'all numbers immediately. I only did,

I only did two records for J-Lo. I fucked it up though. But I'm just giving, it ain't, it ain't, I'm just an idiot. I was on,

I was mad high and he just said, I told that fat nigga, I said, what? Who the fuck you talking to? I'm going to fuck you up. I'm on 10. And just said, I told that fat nigga, I said, what? Who the fuck you talking to? I'm going to fuck you up. I'm on 10. And I'm talking, as I hung up the phone, like a minute.

This is such and such from Elle magazine. I said, what the fuck you want? Straight like that. He said, oh, I'll just get right to it then. Oh, shit. He said, I'll just get right to it then I'll just get right to it He said JLo says the records are really funny And you said yes it is I said worse I said the bitch is lying

You should wait for it. Why would you repeat it on Drink Champs? Because that's who he is. And then the second time, he addressed it on Drink Champs. What the fuck? All right, we're going to end it here. No react! I'll get to you next time. Next fucking time.

I'll say this. I'll say this. I was a fucking moron and an idiot and it's easily the top two regrets of my life. Yo, listen, we gotta get off these old topics, man.

We gotta get off this old shit, man. When J-Lo invites you when J-Lo invites you places does she say, just don't bring everybody? No. J-Lo's amazing, man. And that is it. Everything I'm saying is in the document.

I was fucking pissed off about it. I was mad about it. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, one thing don't got nothing to do with the other. But as y'all. And you got to direct. It's like doing a drive-by, nigga.

You got to go walk up on the nigga you want to hit, man. You can't hit everybody on the block. Let me go get who I'm after. He did a drive-by. He did a fucking drive-by. A Sony block. Yeah, a Sony block. Like, no, nigga.

You want to blast at him, go get him. You mad at him, go get him. All right, so we live and we learn. We got to get past that shit. You know what I'm saying? And I'm glad he's owning it. He says sorry about it a bunch of times.

I've even had conversations with Jennifer about it. And what's she have said? You know, of course she's not fucking happy about it. She hates that shit. You know what I'm saying?

She hates a lot of things that went on and things that transpired. But again, I can't always play the fucking middle man in this shit. I'm, you play the fucking middle man in this shit. Listen, man.

I need a new Jeff. Get this nigga. I'm not advanced with the weed. Once he gets here, it starts burning my lips. I don't want weed lips. It's okay. That's how you get weed lips.

I get in the middle of these situations where it's like, yo, I don't want to be in this situation. This is the first one. It's Chanti, the situation. J-Lo. It's like, I'm... I'm just saying. You're right here. I'm only in the middle because of the relationships I share

with both parties. You understand? But I'm not actually in the middle because they have their own relationship. My big mouth in the middle because they have their own relationship. My big mouth. No, because they have their own relationship. And so I somehow try to mediate shit

and make everything peaceful and it doesn't always work out that way. But what you gotta understand sometimes you gotta separate church and state. It's fine. It's fine.

You know what I'm saying? Russian and fucking... Ukraine? Ukraine. I'm not sure you want to use... I'm going to say you were saying. You're a Cold War felon. You know what I'm saying?

But I'm just saying, you know, two things can exist and be cordial and be respectful to each other's space and and and and and and in interviews and things we say you know about each other without it being a i fucked up with j-lo you know that's all my thing that's all i'm saying i ain't fucking with a shot a little bit no she fucked up because it's old and you both got over it.

Listen, I want to say- Did you not get over it? But it was a business impression, right? Yeah, I'm over it. So that's what I'm saying. I want to say everything that you're hearing now, it will be on the Murder Ring documentary. That's right, tune in on BET, motherfuckers.

On BET. Tune in on BET, motherfuckers. Hey! I'll be tuned in. Listen, it gets expanded on. Okay. Let me ask why you lose, right? And you want to be truthful.

You motherfuckers is like, remember why you're here. Why you're here. You're missing getting high off heroin. Because there's been rumors. It's not only Ashanti, but there's been rumors with you, with Charlie Baltimore. Like, is that a... Sexually? Yes, there's been rumors, it's not only Ashanti, but has there been rumors with you, with Charlie Baltimore, like, is that a... Sexually? Yes, there's been rumors. No, never.

Okay, so let's leave Charlie Baltimore. I never heard that. No, I'm flowing with that. I'm flowing with the flows. But when you just said you didn't mess up with Ashanti, let me just ask you. I'm flowing with the flows. But was that kind of like, did that ever get involved with the business part of it? Like, you know, that you guys were most romantically involved,

did that ever like, you know, trickle down to the business? Like, did it... It helped her. Okay, I'm not trying, I'm not following. It helped her that y'all was together? That y'all was... I mean... Happy, big record, right?

Yeah. I'm so happy. Let me tell you how happy I am. Yo, B.T., I got a check for me, nigga. Hey, yo, hey, hey, hey, this table does like... Hold on, hold on. Yeah. So happy.

Let me explain how the relationship and how it worked and how it worked to a date. You're dating at this point. Yes. Okay. So we're together. Matching watches? I imagine you both are watch, too. Let me explain how the relationship and how it worked and how it worked to a advantage. You're dating at this point? Yes. Okay. So we're together. Matching watches? I imagine you bought her a watch, too.

I bought her mad shit. Okay. Okay. Birkin, it's all that. I bought... She gained. Mm-hmm. Go ahead.

I don't know about none of this either. I just know. Okay. So... You Switzerland. Stay out of it. I'm Switzerland. Yeah, yeah. We just finished sleeping together or whatever. Okay. I'm taking a shower.

I'm in the shower. You know, a nigga be creative after. Yes. Right? Shit, I ain't getting comfortable. Look, don't laugh because it's real. I ain't never heard this story before. I ain't comfortable. I didn't get popcorn.

I didn't drink popcorn. I'm in the shower. I didn't steal my shit. I didn't steal my shit. I'll give you the quick story. You can see the full story on a murdering document I think of the whole track in the shower. I'm... I get out the shower. I call my nigga, Chink. I'm on the phone.

Chink, yo. Chink Santana. We get to the studio. Chink. Chefs it up, the beat, everything. Okay.

Now it's time for you to write. Yo, I want this shit to be a feel-good joint, like summertime. I'm so happy, baby. You made me happy. I mean, but the energy. Beautiful record.

That record came about because of our energy. You miss that energy a little bit? Not anymore. Like 20 years ago when when we stopped, yeah. Like fresh out of it. I think I asked you this before. I'm gonna ask you again. Yeah, yeah.

You don't go on her gram sometime and be like, Absolutely not. Come on, got it. I'm being, I'm being, That is a gorgeous black woman. Listen, I'm being dead serious. And if I'm being dead serious, if you take a look at some of my girlfriends or whatever,

yo, they banging, nigga. They all banging. They banging. But you see Nelly flew out for verses. That's Nelly. That's Nelly. Let's be clear. Listen, that's Nelly.

She got something. That's a shot. That's Nelly and that's my good friend. I'm good friends with Nelly, and all good. That ain't me, my nigga. Niggas want that old thing back, Gotti. Nigga, I got... He's stupid.

I'm just keeping it honest. I got some serious things. You ain't never seen her thirst trap. No. I don't believe you, man. No, no, I'll see it when, like, Shade Room or Ball Alert posts it. So you'll be seeing it. Right.

And I honestly don't give one single fuck, yo. And I'm telling you the truth. I'm not like, oh my God, I'm fucking this shanty, look how good she is. Nigga. That's y'all. That's me. That's me.

I'm Dr. Dre. Been there, done that, nigga. Been there, done that. And the chick sitting next to me, I'm Dr. Dre. Been there, done that, nigga. Been there, done that. And the chick sitting next to me is, I don't want to say crushing her, but nigga, she's in her 20s and ridiculously hot. Disgusting. Nigga, if I bring any of my girls through this motherfucker,

Sonny, you, everyone, everyone in here will be like, everyone in here will be like, nigga, you think God is jacked? Fucking all fire. So not to say, Sean, it's just that I'm way past that. And it's like, you ever think like,

I know that person. So the rest of the like, I know that person. So the rest of the world doesn't know that person. But you know people change. Don't give a fuck. Well, the better. And get better. I know that person. And I am cool with where we are.

We're not speaking, not anything. When we tried to do the murder ring shit, that was like an olive branch. I ain't never fucking with that. I ain't doing no murder ring shit. They wanted to shot TB never fucking with that. I ain't doing no murdering shit. They wanted Ashanti BET fucking other producers. They wanted Ashanti to tell her side of the

story. They tried three separate times. They even asked Mama Joshia. They's like, I mean, God, we don't want to not give her the ability to say her side of the story. But she's never going to do that because she's never going to say she was in love with me.

She's never going to say we was together. She can come to the drink challenge. Bring her to the drink challenge. Yeah, we would love that. Hey, watch this. And let her lie to you. Let her dodge and evade the questions. No. I don't dodge or evade the questions. Oh, no.

I don't dodge or evade. You ask me a question, I answer it. I see that there was no shame in us being together. She wasn't responsible for my divorce. I could give you three other chicks. That was. I was being separated and out the fucking house. So the things that she's concerned with, I'm yo I told her back then you're not the person

she wasn't fucking me to get a record deal she got a record deal through a man Mario Baeza who was a mutual friend he had her signed and she worked for her deal when I first met her I said yo I'm doing JX and Ja I ain't got no time to do no R&B

but here's what you can do just hang around be in the studio, be a studio rat. She was in the studio every fucking day. That's how she got the big pun record. Because people was calling me to do records. That's how she got What's Love. This is all positive. Yeah, this is all positive.

I put that girl on. I'm not saying it is braggadocious. It's real. I put her the fuck on. And rule by saying, yeah, she go ahead, let Bon Bon get on Always On Time. We put her on. So for her to say, I don't want to do this no more. I don't respect it.

And that shit, that shit, like I'm a family nigga, right? I'm the youngest of eight kids. So everything you ever see Irv Gotti about, I mentioned. My brother, youngest of eight kids. So everything you ever see her gotti about I mentioned my brother is family references Right. So my thing with murder rank When she said I don't want to do this no more that shit cut deep nigga cuz I put you to fuck on I named You the princess she didn't put because I see you put your sign up. She didn't do that, right? She did that I don't want to do it no more Really? What was this at? In my Maybach.

In your Maybach? She threw up the gang sign in your Maybach? She's a gangster. She said, I'm not doing this no more. But that doesn't mean she's leaving the company. That means she ain't throwing up gang signs. That means she don't want to be a part of this shit no more. That's different.

Like, I don't know. I can't respect it. Was this after the feds came, though? Of course. Okay, I mean, come on. Yeah, I don't know. I can't respect it. Was this after the feds came though? Of course. Okay, I mean, come on. Yeah, rules says that all the time. Rules like, Gotti, you got to give up pads. She's 21, the feds is here.

I'm totally an outsider. She didn't get in it for that. I mean, I can see how that can scare the average individual. I can see that, Gotti. Like how, you know what I mean? That can scare the average individual. Whatever, man. No Gotti. Like how, you know what I mean? That can scare the average individual. Whatever, man.

No, no. And just to be clear. There's no me without you. That was a fucking song. Yeah, I realized that. I realized that. I realized that.

Just songs, Gotti. Murder, I can see. You know that I won't be in the house living without you, breathing without you Just words, nigga, just words Just this fucking song But you will get Baby, baby, I got a love for my mama

And a deed to go on my soul Nigga, it's all me, nigga But so you, you, what would you do if you was me you in these words? Y'all in love and shit yeah every day we together. Yeah, that's the problem every day for like Two years except the day she's with Nelly Hmm she got real I didn't expect that part. I didn't expect that part. Yeah, yeah. I need another bottle. I need another bottle. Yeah, yeah, real quick.

I need another bottle. Oh my god. Ashanti fans, OK, it's enough. This is a different kind of drink chat. VT gave me the hot sugar. So no more tune in to see the rest. This is loving, loving drink chat. Oh my lord.

I just want everybody to know. You're Switzerland. No, no, no, I'm definitely Switzerland. I'm definitely Switzerland. I'm Geneva. I'm Geneva. That's how much of Switzerland I am. Yeah, this is still Switzerland.

I'm home. What I'm saying is everybody's allowed to have their story and tell their side of the story. This is Irv's story. He and tell their side of the story. This is Irv's story. He's telling his side of the story. And Ashanti has her side of the story. I don't have a side of the story. I wasn't there.

You know what I'm saying? No. Your side of the story is no. No. No. His side of the story is he did, was a part of helping put her on. Like me and Rue put her on. I made the records, but Rue being Rue.

Listen, Rue's the biggest nigga in the world. We could have got J-Lo to be on Always on Time. We could have got any fucking huge name to be on Always on Time. Gotti, fuck it. Let Johnny do it. But in all retrospect, that was the right choice. It was the right choice.

I'm always for my own. She killed it. I'm always for family. And guess what? It had me on top. And I like to say this. This is what we was trying to talk about. And y what we was trying to talk about.

And y'all was on time today too. Yes, we are always on time. They were on time today. Listen. Great record, great record. This is why the shit cuts like a scar because we did so much. We took you.

She had two other deals before our deal. I think she was with like RCA and I think Sony. They was trying to make her with Houston. I use none of those records, right? She came with us and not only named her the princess and everything, we put that sound on her, that murder ring sound, that warm... We put that sound on her. One of the biggest rappers in the game at the time allowed her to get on his number one record.

So a piece of me be like, all right, fuck our relationship, right? I could get past that. I get mad at girls. I've never had a problem getting bad chicks. Never. And once those weeds are forgiven him. Amen. Keep rolling.

Keep rolling. I never had a problem, right? Yes. I could get past you wanting to be with Nelly. Sounds like you didn't get past that, I'm just being honest. Listen, listen. Listen, at the time it happens, any man is her. The chick you fucking are in love with is with this nigga.

Country Grandma. You want to hear how I found out? How you found out? Only on Drink Chat. We saw the documentary, too. How did you find out, sir? I was at home. There wasn't no Twitter or Instagram back then.

I was at home. Listen to this shit. This is God wanting me to find out. I was at home. NBA package. I like watching sports D Rose is playing he rose tune into the Chicago game At home in Tribeca for dolo. Oh my god, what's this commotion going on in the stadium? We just found out what the commotion is.

Nelly has walked in with the shotty. Oh my God. Oh my God. Wait, wait, we're talking about, but you didn't know? You didn't know that? I knew nothing. I'm today is on, brother. I'm just letting y'all know.

Let me spray some green. I'm just letting y'all know. Spray some green. Spray some green. Nothing. I'm today is all, brother. I'm just letting y'all know. Let me spray some Creed. I'm just letting y'all know. Let me spray some Creed. Creed. Spray some Creed.

Is that Creed? It's Creed. It's Creed. Keep that over there. It's Creed. This is, you don't smell that shit, it's marijuana. It's better than sage. That's, that's how a nigga found out.

Let's be clear. I'm just being honest. You said you wasn't a little hurt earlier. I said in the beginning. Of course. He said you was hurt. You said you wasn't a little hurt earlier. I said in the beginning. Of course. He said you was hurt. He said you was hurt. This is the hurt part.

OK. Oh, that's what you want. Oh, I'm sorry. You get to the hurt part. Because I want to. So you see it on NBA All-Star game. Nelly. Not All-Star.

Just a Chicago Bulls. Just a Chicago Bulls. I got league pass. I'm checking out my nigga D-Rose. D-Rose. And Nelly is going in. And she's singing down, baby. Listen, the announcer. And Nelly is going in. She's singing, The announcer. Listen, the announcer.

What is the commotion going on in the stadium? Something is going on. Come back off a commercial. We found out what's going on. It seems as though Nelly has walked in with Ashanti. That's how I found out. Oh, so niggas ain't two-waying you? There's no two-waying you? There's no two-way.

Nigga, niggas, that's how I found out. But here's what I'm saying. And please, this is the truth. I don't speak all of these truths when I don't suppose to speak it, and now I'm going to be a liar. So just know every word that I say is 100%. I could have got past that. But I could never get past

yo I don't want to do this no more. That cut me a thousand times harder than her fucking Nelly. Nigga's fuckiggas fuck. I'm a fucker.

I don't fuck mad niggas, girls. I don't think that motherfucking karma, that karma's going to come back around. Right? Right, ladies? If you've been fucking the bastards your whole life, karma says you're going to get a little karma. Not a chick that you really love.

And, you know, I try to tell everybody with Ashanti, it was a difference because I never had no chick that I could talk to after we fucked. Never? Maybe one or two. Jesus Lord. You know what I'm saying? But with Ashanti,

it was like everything. Yo, we should do this. We should do, yo, I'm taking Scarface, Mary Jane, nigga. Take the flow. Take the flow. That's all part of what I'm saying.

Right. I'm getting millions of dollars with my bitch. I didn't want it to stop. Sounds like you did not want it to stop. He did not want it to stop. millions of dollars with my bitch. I didn't want it to stop. Sounds like you did not want it to stop. He did not want it to stop. Did not want it to stop. I think we could take it.

Sorry. Take it. As an expert, nigga. Hey, watch this. Watch this. I'm so secure in my gangster, nigga, and secure in who the fuck I am in this universe, I could tell you when I'm hurt.

I could tell you when I'm hurt. I could tell you when I'm vulnerable or whatever Nigga, I'm an open book. That's why They silence young Malcolm cuz I just keep it real What's the answer? This is the answer to that a hundred percent. I Don't give a fuck But I say this to say, this, nigga, this is your family. We made you. This is, my nigga put you on the ship.

You can't abandon this. You can't. And you're going to say you don't want to do this? I'll never get over that. All right, so it started after the game, and then, but the feds, the feds still have to come into account, this is a female

The feds already have Okay A lot of people were saying You know the 98% Conviction rate Right So she would She would be saying to me

In like emotional crying Like They told me You're going to go to jail Let's just be clear now Let's just be clear This is a good point As an outsider

That's looking in That's That's the way They were pointing y'all out. They were like, these niggas is going to jail for life. And I'm quite sure that her people was telling her

this is a good thing for you. To get up out of there. You're the hottest R&B motherfucker. Gotti's going to go to jail and you're free. Like distance yourself. Yes. Newsflash, not guilty, bitch.

Not guilty, bitch. You andflash, not guilty, bitch. Not guilty, bitch. You and your team, not guilty, bitch. I told all you motherfuckers I ain't do it. No one believe me. There's a lot of things they could have came at me for. Well, not a lot, but some things. But with that, I remember I asked my lawyer. I said, what exactly is money laundering?

Tell me. They said, well, money laundering is drug dealers dealing drugs, and then they give you drug proceeds for you to write a check. So I was a funder of Crime Partners.

I gave Cream $50,000. The Donald Gowans movie, he made Crime Partners. I said, yo, I gave him $50,000. He didn't give me no money. I did that to invest in the movie. Right. I said, I didn't just do it.

There's other names that did it. I said, is that money laundering? They said, no. I said, well, then tell them niggas suck my dick. The fads took my... Yes. Okay. I said, tell them niggas suck my dick.

And I did it for my man. Because they offered me a sweet deal. Six months. Right? So, six months, I'd be back home in a heartbeat. But, if I plead guilty, now I'm saying, Prem sold drugs and gave me drug proceeds. Right.

So, pleading guilty, popping a plea when all of this is involved, is kind of like dry snitch proceeds. Right. So pleading guilty, popping the plea when all of this is involved, it's kind of like dry snitching. Right. The opposite of what Bobby Shmurda did for his man. It would be the opposite

because people would say, you railroaded your homeboy. I'm never going to do that. I was never going to do it to Preem knowing what he's facing. Right. So once they explained it, the guy says,

so if I plead guilty, I'm basically saying Preem sold drugs and gave me drug money. They said yes. I said, tell him to suck my dick. I'm not. I said, if they get my man, it ain't going to be me helping them. Right.

Now, speaking of Prem, we hear there's talks of you making a Prem movie or Prem team movie. That's already in effect. I believe Leonardo DiCaprio is attached to it. No, no. Todd Phillips. Todd Phillips made The Joker. That's not The Hangover, nigga? He's also The Hangover. Okay, alright. So Todd Phillips

and Christopher Cotto. You want to know it one way, my bad. And my brother Nick Cassavetes. Okay. And I got a great crew to do it and it's with Warner Brothers. Okay, so let's ask.

I got to ask. There's another guy from Queens who says he has a pre-movie. Who? Benny. Bimmy? Bimmy. Bimmy? Did y'all ever hear about his or a pre-team movie?

He can do what he want. He was a part of the Supreme Team and everything like that, but it's not going to be a story that Preem is involved with. Right. So he'll be on his own telling the story

of Preem and Prince, but they not with him. Right. And they with me. And my movie's coming out. My movie is going to be a big movie. Todd Phillips did

The Joker, ladies and gentlemen. The Hangover Trilogy. He's grossed for Warner Brothers billions of dollars. It's not a series. No, this is a movie. And then after the movie, the Murder Ring TV series. Well, all of the stuff that you see on the documentary, only on BET, will bring to life. In a scripted series.

Which I will pay for and own. So all of you out there that talk about me and saying, oh, you doing this for this, you doing this for that, or whatever like that, nigga, ain't no one me, man. I don't know no one that creates their own content, directs,

writes. I got Tales Presents. We made it in America, the movie. We can talk about it. I'm doing a competition to find the star. I'm blessing somebody.

You got a great relationship with BET. Yeah, BET's my family Well, I tell us first started with tails and title girl tails was always beat I mean, I mean, I'm having a second window. Yeah, but my deals with BT on title. It was a second window, you know me. We showin' love, baby. We showin' love. Pop another bottle. Bang. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah, we done. Yeah, five bottles. Let's go for heroin.

Yeah, yeah. But I'm going to own it. I'm going to own that motherfucker. Which is amazing. Amazing. With my guy, Olivier Chastain. Okay. So, yo, I think it's time for the flowers, man.

Oh, yeah. Because our show, we're going to show Skittles together. We have flowers for BJ, too. We thought BJ was being here. But let me just tell y'all, Gotti, Rue, y'all both been on the show separate. I have flowers for my brother BJ. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Come on, man. You know we love BJ. But we're going to give y'all some BJ flowers. Y'all give them to me. We'll give them to BJ. We want to literally give y'all your flowers, brother. Literally. This is my brother.

Luke, dog, this is your second one. This is my second time. Oh, boy. This is my new puppy. You know what I'm saying? You're the only one who has two. Thank you, my brother. And Snoop said this is better than a Grammy

because he's getting it from his peers. Absolutely. But we want to tell you because we're family, just because we're friends, doesn't take away from your greatness, man. The things that y'all have done, the things that y'all continue to do, we want to sit there and salute you to your face. We don't want something to happen to you and be like, oh, they were great then. No, we want to tell you how great you are now to your face. You know what I mean?

Continue success. We want y'all to motherfucking continue monkey footing and doing this goddamn thing because we're proud of y'all, man. Nori, Nori, Nori. No fucking way. Let's make a noise for them, guys. Yeah. Hey, hey. Nori.

Yes, sir. I'm proud of your ass, too. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. We speak all the time. We speak all the time. I'll say this, it's a great thing because most rappers you ain't gonna be like Ja Rule who's still touring, getting crazy money. You know what I'm saying?

Most rappers are not gonna be like that. So for you to pivot to this and create a whole new brand is genius. Yes, thank you. Goddamn, make some noise for me. Yeah, it's genius. It's genius, man. So let's move on, because we all talk about Murder, Inc., right?

So we got to talk about Murder, Inc. in its totality. We basically covered every ground when it comes to Ashanti. All right, that's cool, right? And we understand that you might say where it went wrong. She might say where it went wrong. The relationship had to take a part of it,

regardless of that moving on Lloyd is something that I'm very confused about because Okay, I have no idea Where this went left or if it's left or you should okay? Everything was great with Lloyd, right? Everything was great with Lloyd until he was in the G-Unit video, dawg. Ooh, did I know this was going to happen? You just told me, because it wasn't a big record.

But me, I didn't have no problem with Lloyd. I had absolutely none. He was the little baby bro. And then I see this nigga fucking with 50 in G-Unit, nigga. Y'all don't remember that? The record did nothing. But I seen it. Okay, well you seen it It's just certain things and that's where that's when the bullshit started with me and him like what you do that you scream You fuck me. No, how would y'all take it? Yes, don't you take it on? But what would have led to him even doing that? Yeah, yeah.

It had to be something. It's nothing, nigga. All right. It's nothing. If I told you, look, I told you the jail where I'm an idiot and I did that. There's no idiot stories with Lloyd. I gave that nigga my 62 Continental. He was like, how do y'all know?

It's a Bentley, correct? No, it's an old school. Oh, an old school. It's famously the car that JFK got killed in. Okay, okay. It's a 62 convertible Continental. I had that. Right.

My man Shug put like a ill system in it for me. Shug Knight? Shug Knight. He did the interior. He said, oh, I got to milk this out. You got Shug Knight doing decorating interior for you? Shug Knight was our friend. Come on, guys.

What the fuck just happened, man? What are we talking about? Shug Knight's a detail? Listen, that speaks to our friendship. Suge Knight was our friend. No bullshit, no nothing, man. He seen the old school and did it. I gave that card to Lloyd.

There is no story of me or anybody doing anything to Lloyd to make him go do that. This is some good weed. You want another one? Give him another one, dad. Holy shit. So that was, okay. Everybody has their story. Okay. That's all I'm saying. So, because y'all

recently did do like a murder and getting all together, right? Listen, let me backtrack. Let's backtrack. Let me backtrack. Let's backtrack. Right? Because, listen, man. I could have been a motherfucking, I could have been a bad, bad man. Meaning, I'm on the label. Y'all, you got a contract with me, boy.

You want to break out and go to Interscope. Jimmy Iovine, after y'all going through y'all tobacco. Me and Jimmy's always been great. Okay, great. Fucking, you want to go to Interscope. You got a deal on the table. I could easily say, yo, give me a million dollars. I'll let you off the contract. I ain't do that shit, nigga.

I ain't say, yo, you could go, but I need a check. 500,000 something. You just let him go? Just let niggas go. I let a fucking Ashanti go. Ooh, niggas don't know that, Gotti. I could have been a fucking monster to her. I only recorded, what, four albums or whatever like that?

I had, I think, seven. I had like three more to go. I signed and let her go free. She went to Koch after that. Whatever she went to, she was free to do written entertainment. But, nigga, I could have been the bad, salty, bitter guy and said, no, bitch, you got to give me some bread. See, you got to stop calling them bitches. Go ahead.

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I got him out the deal. Right. I thought we changed subjects. Hey, man. What happened? How we here? Hold on, hold on, hold on. You mentioned, let's change subjects.

No, no, let's change it a little bit more. We mentioned Suge, right? And last time you was here, we spoke a little bit about this. I think we spoke a lot about it. Right. In the series, do you guys cover any of the conversations that you guys had with J Prince about building that distribution? That'll be in the TV series.

In the doc? Right. In the doc? No. Okay. Oh, about the, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. TV series in the dock right in the dock now okay oh yeah I don't know why I should have liked that was crazy this was Michael Payton the director of the back when he sees this you're gonna fuck him up with that he's like I miss that talking about that cuz that's the conspiracy that everybody goes to to say why the feds really care. And honestly, Jay Prince would have did my doc if we would have called him. Me and Jay Prince have a

phenomenal league. Listen, he just, we should have with that because without that then why do you need Jay Prince to just talk about his stuff? And they actually let Shug do interviews right now. Yeah. I think he did. Yeah, he did a million dollars worth of games. A million dollars worth of games for me. That's worth a game. Yeah Come talk To get show though, yeah, Paul you got BT. Yeah, BT got credentials, right? They can walk in through this Many moons ago, Phone time? MTV. That's how we used it.

MTV got them to open. Yeah, MTV got them to open the doors. Word up. So, I mean, it's not far. Well, give it a try. And we heard that you just got nice on the documentary.

Just got nice. Queens get the money. Queens get the money. It's making money. Yeah. Yeah, just got nice. I did. He got a doc on Supreme Team. Yeah. Yeah. Just got knocked. I did. He got a doc

on Supreme Team. He got a doc on Supreme Team. Yeah. So it was like we did each other. It was good shit. It was good shit.

Right. That's beautiful, man. That is beautiful. No one loves Queens more than Nas do. I don't think so. I think we all love it, though. We all love Queens,

but he loves, loves Queens. Yeah. Yeah. You know LL got the Rock the Bell love Queens. Yes, yes. He loves, loves Queens, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know LL got the Rock the Bells concert? Yes, sir. You there, you there. I was trying to bring you out on the low. I don't think I'm in town.

You're in town. Straight back, straight back. Hold on one second. You're good, you're good. I don't think I'm in town. You ain't in town? Nah, I'm in town. I'm trying.

I'm trying to bring you out, Ja Rule. I don't know, man. You know, I always come. You know, this is like my first time performing, I believe, in New York City in six years or something like that. And you know it's monumental that he's doing that festival. I don't do shows no more.

Thank God, man. Thank God for the book. Thank God for it. Drink Chance, man. And Drink Chance Thank God for it. Drink Chance. And Drink Chance might be there. We are there. And Drink Chance is going to be there. We are there. Drink Chance.

I don't know if my wife Juice Squad is going to do it, though. But hopefully, you know what I'm saying? I would say it's monumental because remember, Rock the Bells was a big festival that didn't include. It had nothing to do with it. And he had to fight to get the name back. Oh, yeah. That's right. This is the first time he's re-presenting it.

Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. Because he had it with Sirius or some shit right there. Well, no, it's his brain that's rocked the bells, but remember there was that Rock the Bells festival before that was big. Right, right, right. But he had nothing to do with that and he fought for the name.

Oh, that's dope. That's dope. Yeah, yeah. So now it's- Give yourself to El. Give yourself to El, man. Give yourself to El, man. Give yourself to El, man. Give yourself to El, man. Give yourself to El, man. Give yourself to Yeah, so, uh, Ruse, um, what's going on with the movies?

You still fucking with the movies? Because, man. Yeah, I'm still doing some films and shit. I got some shit coming up. You know, I was supposed to shoot this film called Rearview, and I was supposed to... I play a detective in the film, but I got some other films coming up, but that film got derailed a little bit because of COVID and then the director got some issues. But, that's still on, I'm still shooting that.

But then, I got some other action films that I'm about to shoot. Yeah, they found out that I do well overseas. You with Jean-Claude Van Damme? Yeah. And they say, yeah, they say people like me in movies overseas. What joint? You was in the 13th Precinct?

The Assault on the Precinct 13th. Assault on the Precinct 13th, yeah. They like me in the joint with your man Steven Seagal. Yeah, I see you in that, too. They like me in these joints. And in Cookout, too. No, no, no, no, that ain't that. They might not like that joint. They might not like it. You they cook out, too. No, no, no, no, no. They might like that joint.

They might have watched. You stole a nigga's sneakers. What's joint? That ass of no person. I was asking the... What was that man? Yeah, you were stealing a nigga's sneakers in that joint. Yeah, I was a wild boy in that joint.

What joint is that? That's cookout? That's cookout, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, go ahead. Big shot to Shotgun. Yeah, Shotgun. But yeah, I got a bunch of film stuff that I'm doing, you know, working on it. But, you yeah, I got a bunch of film stuff that I'm doing, you know, working on it.

But you know, this is a very fun industry right now. Very fun time. Yes. You should get back out on the road in the open. Look at you, trying to throw your shit in there. Go ahead. Yeah. I got you, you know.

Are you going to do Ashanti's first album on Icon? You know, we. No, Icon? You know me, we... No, I'm just saying it's classic. No, he's Switzerland. You didn't hear this fucking nigga? It's a classic. We spoke. DJ Irv might come out. We was in Switzerland, we spoke.

We spoke about her doing the vibes, you know what I'm saying? I've spoken to a lot of artists. And it's going to expand in a lot of ways. Coming down the pipe is going to be a lot of fun. Okay. So let's talk about Tails for a second, Gotti. Tails. Hold on. I had an epiphany. On the back of the pips.

I was taking the pips. Yes, okay. Lord have mercy. And Rule brought up something. And I'm always conscious of my brother When he says shit to me Because I know he loves me And I just want to put a disclaimer All the women out there

Listen I don't mean to say bitch But it's like me saying nigga for men I shouldn't say nigga either But I'm nigga nigga nigga nigga nigga all men. I shouldn't say nigga either, but I'm nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga all day. So I don't want you to think when you hear me say bitch so freely, I'm just a nigga off the block. That's just how I talk. No, but that's why my brother, I'm here.

Your brother's here. Right, so I want to make the disclaimer. And I want to say, first and foremost, I love women. We got to protect our sisters. For those that don't know me, I love women. I was raised, my mother, I put higher than God. My mother, my nanny, is everything to me. Black woman.

I was raised by, I'm the youngest of eight kids. I got five sisters. Mona, Angie, Nikki, Tina, Dana. And they all helped raise me. There's no way I could ever disrespect. There's no way. I have nothing but women who I worship around me. You got to explain it.

You got to explain it. You know what I'm saying? You got to explain it. I want them to hear that. You got to explain it. I want them to understand and know I love women. We know you love women, nigga. All my girlfriends.

But I'm not saying, like, I'm going to hate on women. Bitch, bitch. No, no. All your girlfriends, plural? All my girlfriends that I've ever... Right now? My ex-girlfriends, if you talk to them, I'm still cool with all of them.

I don't have... Like, I'm not that guy. You don't make hate on your exes? I do not hate on my ex. I do not hate on my exes. A lot of niggas will just follow their girls just to make sure they do them bad. I don't want any of my exes, if I could help them do better, I would help them. Like, I got love for all of them.

That's what I'm saying. The person who I am is so far from calling women bitches or whatever. Look at all of the music me and Ru made. It's all for women. Very true. It's all for women. And what I'm saying is,

the reason why that music came out so great is these two guys, high off XTC. XTC had a big part in it. It's two guys high off ecstasy. Ecstasy got a big part in it. Listen, but it's two guys. Listen, but it's two guys who have a deep love and passion for women. You know what I'm saying? It's two guys who have a deep love and passion for women. That's why. You're in those eyes.

Yeah, you see, that's what I'm saying I'm like So please when Ru said that I was in there I was like damn am I coming across Like a female hater No I ain't even trying to I ain't even trying to

I posed the question Sonny Guy who's That's right. No, no, no, what I'm asking you, I'm just going to ask you a question. If someone who you made says they don't want to do this no more, how would you feel?

Give me a real answer. Just give it to me, bro. You would feel hurt? It would be hurt, betrayal, disloyal, all that shit when you get to... The only person that hurts you is someone that's close to you. The only person on the planet earth... Damn sure with me, because if I don't know you, I don't give a fuck. Okay, here's my question to you. Here's my question.

Switzerland. Go ahead, Switzerland. Let's go. Switzerland got a step, Switzerland. I got it, Switzerland. Let's go. Switzerland got a step in there. Switzerland's not neutral. I'm throwing that. I'm throwing that. I want to hear this.

I want to hear this. How long does the hurt last? Cancer shit. Now, you got to get over it yourself, person. You got to forgive. Because if you don't forgive, you might be hurting yourself. Ooh, shit is getting deep. Y'all got Sonny making sense.

Shit is ill. Shit is ill. And here's what I say to that. This nigga don't ever make sense. It works both ways. Hey, Drake had that dude there right there. Hold on. It works both ways.

Right, right. Yo, Rude, we should do the murder ring, the reunion tour. We talking to Live Nation. Live Nation is with it. I'll never do that. But why would? We should do the murder ring the reunion tour. We're talking a lot of nation live nation is with it Franchise! Franchise! I'm so happy you wanna be here. You get a little bit where you stay in here. You home love Franchise. Franchise! So you know where you last saw me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on. Can I give a great Stevie Franchise story? Let's go, let's go. He always got a new story. He ain't in the league no more? He always got a mean story. This is a mean story. He ain't a lit no more. He can't get in trouble. Oh, God.

Franchise. Listen, Murda Hicks performing in Houston like a day after the Rockets is playing. So we decide to go. Ru, you know this fucking story. Word of the mother, we had like 20 floor seats from the way down so Steve my man Stephen franchise bus niggas they playing the Golden State Warriors Before step carry we put a hundred and seventy five thousand Now what's it the Golden State Warriors? Absolutely, cuz the nigga who finished us was given

Originally the Warriors. I remember that. I remember that game. You didn't know that. I was fucking tired. Big shout out to Gilbert. Big shout out. You bastard. Fuck you, Gilbert.

Gilbert's my nigga now, but fuck you for this game. So, B, we there, and you know, me Oh my God. Like, listen, Gilbert's my nigga now. But fuck you for this game, Gilbert. Oh my God. So we there. And you know, me and my brother gambled. So we set it up, nigga. We done 50,000. Put 50 racks. Been fucking the Rockets. It was minus 8.

Put 50 racks. We gonna be in the building. See Frances, Cat, Coutinho. They gonna bust these niggas' asses. I remember this game. Boom. That was the show when we did it it sent off a chain Yeah yo give me 5,000 yo give me 10

Give me 25 So we had like 175,000 in on this game I remember this game so fucking big we having so much fun Hold it I'm echoing fucking Gilbert Arenas calling him zero You fucked us up He fucked us up

Let me finish the story You fucked us up, nigga! He fucked us up! Let me finish this story! You fucked us up! You! Cause he said, hey nigga, chocolate, nigga, weed, alcohol, I'm on three pills, and listen, now, listen, hold on. Not an early, not an early I don't need no more, sir.

This is just friendship. Listen, I would never do this if you were still on the Rockets. Three pills, and I'm talking three pills when they fully set in, not early three. What are you doing? I'm doing it when I was in the agency. Listen, you know what I'm saying? You immediately identified.

It wasn't an early three. It was a late three, the face turned off, going in the joint like this. And that's why this nigga's heckling fucking Gilbert. He's a rookie. He's a fucking rookie. I think it was Gilbert who was still with an afro. Right, so boom.

Nigga, we was having so much fun. You know how the ball from the game would dribble to you? He came to BJ, he dribbled on the court, did a spin move, he laid it in. It turned out, it's like yeah! So hey, let me set the tone.

They're doing their job. They got these niggas. The game is about over. It has like eight, five, it was under ten seconds. This is where he fucked us. He fucked us. So now,

no, you fucked us, nigga. Now that I remember it, I'm like, you should've knocked that nigga the fuck alone. So now, my nigga Coutinho Mobley, I love you, my nigga Cat, he's on the line. My nigga Cat. Day of seven, I love you, Cat. He's on the line. My nigga, Cat.

Day of seven. I'm like, Cat, we need both, nigga. I'm letting it be known. We got to get that. We got to get that. Listen, listen, listen. Pull up there. If you can pull up there and see if you can get game tape or whatever, you can show this

because he's at the line and you'll know it's true because while I'm screaming we need two, I'm like, nigga, we got 107. Cat's at the line and you'll know it's true cuz while I'm screaming we need to I'm like nigga We got a hundred and seven He's a little at the line What am I gonna do he sunk them both games over Get fucking over! What the fuck? Gilbert Arenas takes the fucking... Drives down top speed and shoots the damn man like a Steph Curry 40-footer. Sunk it. For nothing!

Just to fucking beat the spread. Yo, we wanted to kill Gilbert Arenas. I couldn't believe he did that shit. And after that... He really started torturing me. I'm like, that's the nigga. The hibachi nigga. That's the nigga. I'm like, oh my God. But now that, it was your fault. It was.

Because he had no reason. But listen, the whole arena knew. I was on tour, he was talking about the games. And the whole arena knew we had him. 175 on this. The whole arena knew we took 175 on this. The whole arena knew. The refs knew. Everyone knew. And Gilbert's over there, rules hacking him, nigga.

Fuck you, nigga. They ain't doing this fucking birdie and fucking above the rim imitation. Fuck you, nigga. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Fuck you, nigga. They're taunting this nigga. I'm like, yo, this nigga'm saying? Fuck you, nigga. You're taunting this nigga. Ugh.

Like, yo, this nigga ran down there and crushed our soul. I was calling him Donut. I was like, what you going to do, Donut? Donut finished us. He finished us. You understand? If there's five seconds left, they're up by nine. He finished us.

The game's over. You grab the ball, shaved hands. I'm going to tell you, you guys, the funniest NBA tackle story you'll meet was I was fucking heckling. I wasn't really heckling.

It was Vince Carter playing against the Knicks. Vince is my brother. We were at Vince's party, having a great time. So they played the Knicks. So I'm rooting for Vince. Right.

Charles Oakley got mad as a motherfucker at me. And you? Yup. He looked at me on the side and said, man, fuck you. I said, oh, Vince, give it to him. No, it wasn't Oakley. I'm like, who was it? Larry Grandmama Johnson.

No, it wasn't. It wasn't Oakley. It was Oakley. It wasn't Oakley. It was Oakley. It wasn't Oakley. You sure? I'm positive. I was sitting right next to you. You sure?

That nigga turned around and was like, shit, I'm out of here! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Larry Johnson. I'm sorry, big Oakley. Yeah, Larry Johnson. Oakley probably would have swung at it. Yeah, I don't know.

He was so mad that I was rooting for fucking Vince Carter. Oakley's like that. He probably would have swung at it. Big Steve Francis, man. Big shout out to Steve. Make some noise for Steve. Make some noise for Steve. Make some noise for Steve. Make some noise for Steve. Make some noise for Steve. He was so mad that I was rooting for fucking Vince Carter. Well, this is my brother. He probably would have swung at it.

Big Stevie Francis, man. Big shout-out. Make some noise for Stevie Francis. The friend of the child. That's the homie. That's the homie. Legend. NBA legend. Word of the moment. I got NBA stories. No, we don't want to tell that. We don't want to hear it. Nah, nah, nah.

I got a Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant? Similar Lord. Kobe Bryant? Similar thing. Kobe Bryant's playing the Indiana Pacers. This is Lakers. Reggie Miller? Reggie Miller. No, we was there for the step over.

We was there for the step over. We was there for the step over. I said I got NBA service. We was right there. And that was a time for one. We was right there. Listen, before Kobe, he was playing for us. And he was rooting for AI.

This is when you had the right here. We was in the end stables with the other Lakers, gave room for AI. Bust these niggas ass. This is how I was doing. I was like, I'm going to go to the NBA. I'm going to go to the NBA. I'm going to go to the NBA. I'm going to go to for AI. This is when you had to bring in Matthew. We was in stables with the other leg of game, room for AI. Bust these niggas' asses. I would never do that after Kobe played for me

at the Rucker, though. That was pre-Rucker. Me and Rule was the only niggas in there telling AI, get these niggas, yo. Room for AI, remember that. Nigga, when the game was over, he came to me and Rule like nigga, because it was ill. Chuck was my brother. I used to be with Bubba Chuck.

You got to call him AI. Yeah, I got to call him Chuck. We used to be yo. You ain't too cool, man. His name is Al Augustin, sir. Yeah, I remember one time we in New York and shit. He playing in New York the night before. We in one of these hotel lobbies and shit, getting drinks.

Nah, we in Houston do too. We in there getting drinks and shit. So it's getting late. So I'm like, all right, nigga, I'm going to make a move, nigga. I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to get a drink.

I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to get a drink. I'm going to get a usually do it, too. Yes, yes. We ended up getting drinks and shit. So it's getting late. So I'm like, all right, nigga, I'm going to make a move, nigga. I'm going to make a move. I got the next to ma.

I'm like, you're being disrespectful. You know what I'm saying? You said AI said he kept drinking because he said he got the next to ma. We got the next to ma. You know what I'm saying? Damn, that's right. You would've stolen that 30. Damn, that's right.

But continue. Yo, Chuck was a savage. Yo, I got, yo, man, I got it. Chuck was a savage, yo. Chuck was a savage, man. He used to let NBA niggas know. I ain't going to say no names to protect my NBA niggas, but he used to let niggas know in private quarters,

nigga, you know I'll give it to you. Like, nigga, don't you and what, you, nigga? So that bravado that he had when he get on the court, that plays out! Yeah, that's real. That you was around, you around rap niggas, this nigga, and you let this nigga, and they like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

you know, I know, yeah, yeah. Niggas is, because he the big dog, big homie. Mm-hmm, yeah. So these niggas is young in the league, and they be like, you know I give it to you. Yeah, yeah. And niggas is like, ha, yeah, yeah be like, you know I can give it to you. And all these niggas is like, nah, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

You know what? The biggest compliment that I could pay AI ain't even on the court. I used to be with this nigga in Philly. This nigga would be out of his mind drunk. He's just a lot of Dom Perignon. Out of his mind drunk. a lot of Dom Perignon. Out of his mind drunk. A lot of Dom Perignon. And the nigga would have at least a half a million on him.

Correct. You are. Now, Philly, if y'all don't know Philly, is one of the grimiest I will kill you cities in America. Yes, it is. He'd be by himself, dripped with every piece of jewelry fucking watches everything This nigga they would I would be like how are you not getting wrong?

How you then going to kidnap you, nigga? The niggas don't rob you. The niggas going to kidnap you and call someone you love like, we need more money.

Philly niggas is, and no one, and I asked him, I was like, he's like, one time, he was like, these niggas,

I love these niggas and these niggas love me. It's Philly. It's the number three law. I said, yo, it's Philly, dog. It's Philly. It's the number three law. I said, yo, it's Philly, dog. It's Philly. That nigga was like, these niggas love me.

Got it? It's the number three law in the nigga Bible. You can't touch Michael Vick and you can't touch the L.L. Iverson. You cannot. It's insane.

The love he gets. That's what I'm talking about. My brother. That's my brother. Hey, y'all. Hey, y'all. You know who got getting that universal love right now? Who?

Ja Morant. Ja Morant. He's getting that real universal love. I want any hood in America right now. And niggas is going to love. Niggas is going to love Ja and any hood in America right now. Yeah, Ron Artest got that love now, too. Yeah, Ron, Ron, Ron.

Oh, yeah. You know. got that love now, too. Ron Artest? Yeah, Ron, but Ron, you know. Ron crazy. Come on, man. Fucking nigga, huh? That's meta. That's meta. And you know what's funny? It's not because it's spread, but it's meta. Yeah, that's meta. That's my nigga. I know him as Ron.

My nigga's on. My nigga would come to my office every summer after this thing and play me a mixtape. Yeah. Every summer. But that nigga is really about that life, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah You ever see these NBA niggas like you see one TV thing like Ron Artest is fucking he's huge If on 12th Street

Controls like dad well, I did told me yeah, holy moly guacamole. So Quick time with slime. Are you ready?reet nigga. Yeah, holy moly guacamole. So, Quick Time with Slime. Are you ready? Oh, shit. I think you're more than ready. I ain't going to lie. I'm going to let Irv got it going. I'm just kidding. This is my easiest job ever.

Get on Quick Time. I think the Quick Time would be crazy with you. What is Quick Time? My Quick Time with Slime is very sick. We made no Quick Time with Irv. No, we're done. I've done it. Good.

You've done it. Yeah, yeah. You've done it're good. I've done it. Good. Yeah, yeah. So. You've done it? Yeah, I've done it. It's just Irv on this one. Yeah, we do just Irv on this one. I'm cool with that. So what it is is we give you multiple choice questions.

I'm going to get in trouble with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You better hack him a little bit. You better hack him a little bit. What time? I'm the rule. I explain the rules, but I will. I'm definitely going to get in trouble with you.

So no, no. You ain't going to get in trouble. It's, um, so it's basically we're going to give you multiple choice. If you pick both and be politically correct, you take a shot. If you say neither, be political. Yo, you should play a new game. I got a new game for you.

Damn, nigga. This is something to get you in. Yo, this is something to get you in. You can take over like that. You know what? Let me tell you. You know what I'm saying? You know why? Because you do a lot of old niggas on the show.

Yes. That's his thing. We bank on old niggas. That's what we do. And niggas drink. Yes, yes. So everybody should put money in the pot. Ooh. And whoever got to get up and go to the bathroom first. Ooh, that's hard. No, I ain't playing that game. I'm a pisser, nigga. I piss every time.

No, you know what? They're the old niggas. Right. I'm pissing. Old niggas got to go to the bathroom. That's what I'm saying. That, nigga. I piss every time. You know I'm gonna lose every time. Right. I'm a pisser. That's showing me things. Evan might be losing too. Evan might be losing every time. I'm gonna lose that. I'm gonna lose that. That's defense.

That's beer. Beer make you go. Beer make you go. But you'll never know who's gonna lose. But yeah, the old man bladder test. All right, yeah, but we're gonna go. So what shot do you want? You want, uh, because you know you said we got to be the king of...

Oh, this is free time. We're gonna do a shot. Yeah, it's a shot. What kind of shot do you want? I'm gonna do a shot. I'm gonna do a shot. I'm gonna do a shot. I'm gonna do a shot. I we're going to go. So what shot do you want? You want, uh, because you know, you said we got to be the king. Oh, this is quick time. I'm going to do a shot.

Yeah, it's a shot. What kind of what you want? De Leon, you know, we'll do Duce. Yeah, let's do it. De Leon, reposado. OK,. Hola,. .

When they start speaking, hey, hey, hey, you know you're fucked when they start speaking in other languages. You know that? . Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm definitely, I am, I am definitely, yeah. They give it to a feeling of rage. You want the repoussado or you want the whole little shit?

Repoussado, you coming in? I can't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,? They start speaking Spanish. I'm like, yo, what's this nigga start speaking Spanish for?

English is good. He wanted to tell Nori secretly without me knowing. He's, no, he probably said, listen, the one to the right probably don't have it. He said, did they have it? He said, papo, papo, the one to the right. No way. No way. Yeah, no way.

That's God. you, bro. Rude, so rude, so rude. By the way, can you pour your man a shot? Because being that you did this before, can you pour him a shot? I'm pouring a shot. You're pouring a shot, okay. And we're drinking with you. Listen, you hear me, nigga?

I'm telling the truth. If I tell the truth, I ain't got to take a shot. No, no, no. If you say both, okay, you ready? If you say no. If you say neither or both. Both, right. You take a shot.

Okay, all right, you ready? DMX or Jay-z So DMX or Jay-z you gonna take a shot for shot for that? Because that's both. I would say both. I would say both. Should have said. If you don't answer, you got to take a shot. That's the name of the game. I answered all my questions, by the way.

I love them both. Take a shot, nigga. If I had to choose one. Take your shot, nigga. X. Just take a shot. X. Ah, that's just it. No shot. No shot. That's good. nigga. X. Just take a shot. X. Ah, that's just it.

No shot. No shot. That's good. That was deep. That was deep. I thought he was about to bow out. He didn't. He didn't.

He went in. That whole, it put me in the middle of these three competitive niggas, and it's just like, J. X is the most competitive out of all of us. But J. would ask me the most Yo, you think that nigga better than me? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Got it. Do you think that nigga's

better than me? And I used to be like, yo, all y'all is nice. All nice in different manners. That's why, damn, that album would have been so good. Me and Gotti have blown up arguments over this shit, too. So this is deep shit between the three of us.

All right, go ahead. Tupac or Biggie? Pac. DJ Khaled or DJ Drama? Khaled. Rockefeller or Rough Rider? Take a shot. You love Darren and Dame.

Let's take a shot. Take a shot. I'm going to take the shot. Take a shot. Take a shot. I'm going to take a shot. Come on. I'm going to take a shot.

I'm going to take a shot. I didn't take the shot today, but you just took the dog. Okay, this one might be easy. I think this is going easy after this. a shot. I didn't take the shot to that, but you just kicked the door. This one might be easy. I think this is going easy after this. Never mind. This is going easy after this, I think.

Dana Kiss or Fabulous? Damn, this shot is heavy, man. I don't know what I'm doing. Long game. It's taking. I'm going to take a shot with you. No, don't do what a long game. I'm gonna take you Okay, JD kiss a fat. The heroin. The heroin. Oh, my God. The heroin. Okay, JD Kiss or Fab? Yo, there's a picture out there of me and the dog.

Fab. Fab? Hold on. Hold on. Before we get into the next question, there's a picture out there of me and the dog on fucking one... We're in Harlem, and we're in my I-8, and it's a fucking dope ass picture. I caught him out there one time.

No, it's a picture of me and the dog that somebody has. If you see this, just fucking, yo, put the picture on Instagram, send me the picture, DM me something.

I need that picture, want that picture. Absolutely. And then somebody has this ill picture of me and this nigga, oh my God. Absolutely.

And it's recently because of the I-8. You know, you threw the I-8 out there. It's not recently, but you know what i'm saying but it's fairly a new car it's fairly yeah we understand okay scarface or Ice Cube? Face. Damn, I said that too fast. You said that fast. Because Cube is a motherfucker,

but Face is like, Face I love. There's no- First Light of the Day is like, one of the best verses ever, yo. Like, with Face. He just put into picture him being on... Yo. Yeah, fuck it, Face.

Primo or Pete Rock? Who? Primo or Pete Rock, DJ Premier? Primo. Pusha T or Styles P? Pusha. KRS or Rakim? Rakim, definitely.

Which bullshit is going to get for the next five seasons? Rakim? Yo, yo, why are you talking to me? Rakim? I'm trying. Do you have it first or three chances? I'm fucking with you. By the way, Rakim's coming out here in June.

Yeah, he said no. They said it's nothing. They can't do it at that point. Okay, here and doing it. Yeah, he said no. They said it's nothing. They can't do it at that point. Okay, all right, cool. Oh, fuck, man. Yeah, you take a shot. You don't need the shot to take a shot. Okay, this one catches me all the time.

Gotti, you ready? This one catches me all the time. I don't know if it's going to catch you. NWA or Wu-Tang Clan? Oh, God. This catches me all the time. Oh, God damn. That's a all the time. Oh, God damn. That's a shot.

Yeah, take a shot. Let's make some noise for God being a gangster. Take a shot. He being a gangster, this motherfucker. OK. Wu did so much for the East Coast, too, and RZA and the Sound. We were just talking about it after.

Because RZA came to the Bob's concert. He was taking Tequila with niggas. The RZA was at the Bob's. The Abbott came out. The Abbott came out kings of Bob's concert. He was Came up It was outside and I said, oh I'm going to get, I went outside personally to go get the Abbott, man. Get the Abbott. You got to get Bobby Digital. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him.

You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him.

You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You got to get him. You going to pick on this one because of your loyalty. Belly or Boys in the Hood?

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directly answered that. Oh, that was a thing, nigga. Let's not talk about that. Okay, let's not. Me and P had a conversation about that. That was you who told me you and P had a conversation. Yeah, me and P had a conversation. I had a conversation with him. Absolutely. And he said that was real, that Cadillac Tide thing. He said it was real. He said it was real.

But you know, just switching gears, you know, Havoc, you know, talked about doing a vibe. The vibes? I like how you switched it on the positive note. I like that. Let me tell you something now. I'm good at my job. I'm trying to figure out how do we do that without Pete? You got Noid.

You got Prodigy's son. Yeah, bring another crew, yeah. You got Prodigy's son that can come out. You got Prodigy's daughter. It's going to cost money to do it. Who's actually spitting rhymes rhymes to that's the you know Yeah, hologram is ill that may cause money but that will be still it cost that much money I can get it done get it done because my thing is that shit will be ill peace fit in the first

Wait, fuck him on say even though it's a whole slogan. That album. That album is one of the best hip-hop albums ever. You talking to the tech swizzard over here. I know some dudes that can actually make that shit happen and it not be so expensive. That's the way to do it. But now we're talking about that later. That's the way to do it. But now we're talking about... That's the way to do it.

I'll talk about that later. Yeah, let's do it. That's the way to do it, though. Okay. Niggas will bug the fuck out if they see a hologram where that nigga fucking Quinn get the money, Lord.

Niggas will go bananas. They will go bananas. When the hologram appears, it's... I can only imagine what Coachella did when Pac came out, that motherfucker.

Word. The technology is a lot fucking more advanced now. From that point, yeah. Hold on, let's move on real quick. Puff Daddy or Jermaine Dupri? Diddy. Dang, you said that quick, man. Diddy, yo.

Yeah? You just went quick on that. Missy or Busta Brown? Are you going to explain why? Yeah, because Diddy, he was responsible for a whole coast and wave and whole, like, little nigga JD is my nigga, but he's really more, he has a lot of, Usher is his big shit. They gonna roller skate together, still. Usher? I've seen them roller skate in Rockefeller City. JD has a lot of other shit J.D. has a lot of other shit, God.

J.D. has a lot of other shit, but... Jump, jump. He got cross, criss-crossed. Jermaine Dupri. Jermaine Mariah. He got the brass. Shit, my nigga. Listen, J.D. absolutely is my nigga.

I think you should get in with J.D. to put it... Diddy felt more hip-hop to me, though. Who? He didn't do a versus, him and Diddy. Diddy and Jermaine Dupri? Diddy won Dre, though. Diddy won Dre right and that's that's a tough one I don't know who does herb got he want a producer wise. I don't want no one. I don't want to do versus You don't want to Scott Storch

And I'm different I always use somebody I'm not a producer on my own It's always only in the beginning which is DJ just DJ Irv, but it's always Irv Gotti and someone. So that's why I think people don't give me my producer flowers. They'll give me a label. You just got them, baby. Well, Diddy's the same thing, but you got your

flowers here. I got my flowers. You got your motherfucking flowers right there. I think a lot of people, a lot of people, they don't really even mention me as a producer, even though I've out produced a lot of these. Most every one of these niggas. A lot of niggas produce how you produce too though. Yes.

Yeah, but they don't say that. Eh, niggas know that though. Yes. Dre does that, but it's Dre is such a Niggas, niggas, it's known. Monsterous figure. He just, it's just known to Dre. It's such a monstrous figure. He just goes to Dre. It's known and it's even accepted more

that niggas produce with niggas nowadays. Like Kanye produces with a lot of people. You know what I'm saying? A lot of producers produce with other producers. Good old Switzerland coming through. Good old Switzerland. You know what I mean? It's good friendship. That's friendship right here. It's good old Switzerland. You know what I mean? It's good friendship.

That's friendship right here. Good old Switzerland. Swiss Army night. That was a beautiful statement right there. Next question. Was Missy or Buster Rock? Missy or Buster? Missy.

Missy? Okay. Yeah, click on that. I'm just telling you. Missy cross-examines. Missy. Buster got hits, Yeah. I'm telling you. I know. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. No, 100%. I love debating with you, so I'll wait for that one. That's debatable. That's debatable. I heard both. I heard both. Not only was her lyrics infectious, that fucking beat was infectious. All right. Yeah, it ain't no stud on that.

I'm not drinking, taking a shot. I'm just trying to get you to take shots. All right, cool. All right. This one, I don't know where you're going to go with this one. Yo, roll. ODB or BizWalkie? Take a shot. Oh, you motherfucker.

Don't pour heavy, man. Yeah, you don't got to pour heavy. They don't have to because they both go on. You can't do that. Hey, man, you got to. No, and they both was great at what they fucking do. They was the artist who did not take rap seriously and be funny or be whatever.

So that's why I said you motherfucker because I'm like, it's so close to what they do. No, they were taking rap seriously. I think ODB took it more seriously than Bismarck. No, ODB. No, ODB took it seriously. Start a cash flow. I went around and around.

Oh, oh, oh, oh. Take that shot, guys. Just take that shot. That's Bismarck. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right.

Take that shot. You're right. Take that shot. You got two G's in the house, my brother. Definitely. Definitely. Dizzy, what up, baby? Oh, oh, OK.

You're right. Take that shot. OK. Ooh, this is a good one. This is deep. This can't be feeding me weed mixed with heroin. You don't want the blood. And then. You know, you're having some ass, too.

It's that reposado from the finest office of Deleon. You want me to get you after this? We have food after this? Because this thing is really good. Yeah, yeah. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Real talk, this shit is great. It's great.

Deleon, bitch, have a deal. No, I was high. talk this decade is great it's great this one you know where you gonna go with this one. With the Diddy Juice. Because you're really a connoisseur. 80s or 90s hip-hop? 90s. 90s? Damn, that was too easy. Yeah, that was, I mean... Alright, here's my hip-hop story, right?

So hip-hop started in 1973. Oh, by the way, do you know next year is the 50th anniversary of hip-hop? It's the 50th anniversary of my watch. Next year is the 50th anniversary of the greatest form of music in American history. And a form that has helped more niggas than I don't, I can't even fucking count. Very true. I love hip-hop. 50th anniversary.

Like, with so much passion. And hopefully, me and BET will provide a lot of hip-hop-worthy content. I like that. Can I just, on that segue, can I speak about the first movie I'm making? Yes, let's talk about it. Okay, the first movie I'm making is Tales Presents. I was about to say, Tales was like movie-like. Right.

So it was an easy transition. Okay. Easy transition. So let me tell you how God works. He's a great God. Because this is all God, right? So let me tell you. So I say I want to do this movie, but I don't own 100% of Tales, Viacom, BET, and ViacomCBS.

So I go to Bob Backish. Big shout out, Bob. If you're watching this, I love you. Bob Backish is the chairman and CEO of ViacomCBS. So I go to him. He's a really good friend. Love you. Right?

And I ask him. I said, yo, I want to branch out tails to films. I want to make a movie. Now, under the ViacomCBS umbrella is not just BET, MTV, BH1C, MTV.

They have the Paramount Network. They have Paramount Plus. They have Showtime. They have the Paramount Network. They have Paramount Plus. They have Showtime. They have CBS. Right? But they also have Paramount Studios. So when I asked him, I wanted the use of the name Tales and things.

He says, Gotti, do you got money to do it yourself? I was fronting at the time. I said, yeah. Just go ahead and make it. And I'll distribute it and I'll distribute it. I'll distribute it.

He gives me a distribution deal on some just love shit. And, you know, later I asked him, why'd you do that? He said, I didn't want you fucking with, like, anybody. Just go ahead and make the movie. If I would have did the deal at Paramount, he says, nah, you got to work with Paramount. He says, I'd just rather you make it, get your vision, your idea off with no restraints, and bring it to me. He said, now just make it good. He said, just make it good, and I'll give you, I ain't going to say it, but he's going to give me way more than I'm going to make for it. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? So that's how Tails presents we made in America big shout out to Hove Because I'm using we made it in America As the thing and it's the story Cleared it This is why I'm big up to her like it to her Kanye J But this is why I love Hove and love cut you to Kanye. But he was like, God, you want to use that? I said, yeah.

Now, mind you, I'm going to use it in the movie, in the television commercials, the online campaign. I'm using this everywhere. He said, go ahead and take it. He gave it to me. That's good shit. They gave it to you. That's a dope record, too. They gave it to you.

They gave it to me. I love you, Jay. They gave it to you. That's a dope record too. They gave it to you. They gave it to me. They gave it to me. I love you, Jay. They gave it to me. I love you, Jay. I love you, Jay, too, man. You know what I'm saying? But that's the, now we all know that record.

We made it in America. Sweet baby Jesus. That record is a haul. All right, that record is super haul. Ain't that Justin Timberlake on there too? No. No. Is that Drake? Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean, that record is super haul. Ain't that Justin Timberlake on there too? No. No. Frank Ocean.

Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean. Sweet baby Jesus. But yo, so now, Jake clears the record. I go to LA, I write the script. And it's a monster music, hip hop music movie.

So, I made all of the music for it before. And fucking, it's going to be like one of the best theatrical hip-hop music experiences. It's dope. How about a soundtrack?

Soundtrack on me? Soundtrack. We need to bring back soundtrack. Hold on. Soundtrack will coincide right along with it But the crazy thing Is I'm sleeping

And you know I'm very thankful to God Right Bigging up God right now? I'm bigging up God Wait a minute Let's give it up for God Let's give it up for God

God damn it Let's give it up for God Because The damn it. Let's give it up for God because the crazy shit, Nori, I thought of this next idea in my sleep. That's definitely coming from God. This is what I said. I said,

who else the fuck could I give it to if all my fucking really, really great ideas, I swear to God, I'll be knocked out and I'll wake up and I see it all

in a visual dream. So what I I seen most recently was I'm having I was having problems casting the lead role for Tales Presents We Made a Miracle which has got to be a rapper slash drug dealer. Because the story, let's go back to the story

the story in the movie is about drug dealers who start hip-hop labels and become successful. Very touchy subject. It's a celebration of what hip-hop has done for us. That's what I wrote the movie, and it is dope. Most people are going to say, that's the laundry and money that people were talking about Maybe with some other guys, but

It's too late My man was slinging. He says it in his rhymes. You know what I'm saying? When that motherfucker's talking about how to start 100 G-packs. You know, the great story with Can I Live is Can I Live, I'm waiting for him in D&D because he's coming home off of I-95.

Coming from... He's coming from getting to the bag. And we sitting there waiting for him and he comes in and does his Jay-Z thing and writes Can I Live? But that's why Reasonable Doubt is so fucking raw. It's so raw because this nigga was still a drug dealer while making the album. So all that shit, you hand the crack aroma in the room, nigga. He just finished selling fucking 90 bricks of fucking

kilos of cocaine, and now he's on his way to the studio with a bag of money. If that ain't realer than real, then what the fuck is? Talk that shit, Gotti. And we made Can I Live? Here's another tad bit. We was waiting for Nas. here's another tad bit waiting for

Whose wave for knives to get on can I live? We knew that oh They know one no, yeah, they know it now We was waiting for knives. That's what started to be to do the second verse and show up That's what started it because you was in a beef a lot Yeah V all that That's what started it. Because you was in they beef a lot. Yeah. And it will be, all of that will be in a documentary only on BET.

So, nigga, the crazy shit is fucking, yeah, I was in the VG, maybe go back to Nas, or whatever like that. But nigga, we waiting for him, we cannot live, and Nas was supposed to be on this bitch. You sure it wasn't Dead Presidents?

No, I'm sure, nigga, I was there. I was in the studio, nigga. Because Dead Presidents, he sampled Nas' voice, right? Yes. I didn't even place you in that situation. Did you know he was there? Yeah, yeah, I have a reasonable doubt. He's been like, I think he was A&R-ed on the album. I didn't know that. I didn't play with him.

I didn't have a hip-hop A&R at the album, but it's safe to say I was Jay's consigliere. I was helping maneuver shit. I totally stopped what I was doing, because with Blunt TVT, I was like, we can't win with these niggas. Because I still listen to Get the Fortune. Get the Fortune is- Go back to Nas. No, no, go back to Nas. Go back to Nas. Go back to Nas.

Let me go back to Nas. But did Steve Gottlieb have the ponytail? Yeah. Okay. He had the ponytail. He had the ponytail. And at every meeting, at every meeting,

he would kick his feet out. Kick his feet out. Yeah. Put his feet up on the table. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. You're corroborating my story because I'm with a tie on shirt on. Thank you. Thank the table. Yes! Thank you. I love it.

You're corroborating my story because I can never lie. Naked feet. Naked feet. He had no socks. He had a ponytail with no hairline. Ponytail, no hairline. He had three haircuts. Naked feet.

Naked feet. Naked feet. Naked feet on the table. Pitbull told me, don't do a deal with him. I still wouldn't have the meeting. He wasn't bad. He wasn't bad. Pitbull him. I still wouldn't have the meeting People you know, it was towards the end what they he didn't know what was gonna Yeah

No No, no, Steve. Steve could have had the chronic. He could have had the genie. He was a genius with the genie moves. He could have had it all. He's a genius. He's a genius. He could have had it all. Yeah, that's crazy. Because he had rule. And Dr. Dre came through.

He could have had it all. And the nine-inch nails was on there, right? He had nine-inch nails. But before all that, he bought all the TV. The TV tunes. That's what made TV. TV tunes. TV tunes. That cartoons. TV, TV teams. TV teams.

That's insane. Like, that was crazy. And that's what was making him money, and he decided to branch out. Wow. Nas, please, go back to it. Nas, go back to it. Nas, the can I live verse? Yeah.

The what verse? The can I live verse. Oh, come on, man. Yeah, okay. But he didn't show. That's the end of the story. He didn't show. And it was funny. My man Tone Hooker, original flavor?

Yes, original flavor. Okay, so Jay writes the first verse. Now, when you listen to that Jay, it's one of his best verses, yo. Okay, I'll just go. The Jay Can I Live first verse. I'll go. Come on. Let's go.

Come on, man. We got technology here. Come on, man. Come on. You got to set it off. I'll help it out. It's the thought of... No, that's...

I don't remember, man. That's... You've been Switzerland for way too long. Yeah, I'm too drunk. Okay, all right. It's on. You can't give me

all this fucking hell and fucking... People are going to start believing we gave you heroin, man. We're going to stop talking about it. Hey, man, let's move on to Ruba. Let's move on to Ruba. What do I want?

They gave you heroin. They gave you heroin, man. We can stop talking about it. Hey, man, let's move on to Rubo. Let's move on to Rubo. They gave you heroin. They gave you heroin. Oh, what a hero. Hey, hey. And I liked it. I liked the heroin. Yes, it's right there. Oh, my God.

Oh, man, I can't remember. You got it? I can't remember. And then we're going to finish the quick time. It's not, no. It's definitely not quick anything. Show us the herb going to finish quick time. It's not, no. Just, just, just. Definitely not quick anything.

Show us the herbs. Show us the herbs. That's the verse. That's the verse. I've been watching that. I've been watching niggas watching me closely. While I'm watching every nigga watching me closely. My shit is bread for the butters when you toast me.

Y'all could have pulled that up one of those up I keep my head everywhere they supposed to be cause I'm supposed to get you clapped from close feet yo he was just he was just

real talk right Jay was just completely awesome and different right oh you gotta understand

time to build me and Ruel was in the studio and he's like He's looking at the way So this is the first time I seen him do the right Geronimo record right? I said this time to build my one of two on my Geronimo so He said I'm keep trying to handle a pad. I know you want a pad to but he's sitting I'm trying to hand him a pad like yo you want a pad he's like

and if y'all ever see Jay do this he's like looks crazy he's like this is exactly how he is and his face is facing the wall and he's right and I keep going you want it right he's like no and that nigga he's like yo I'm ready that nigga, he was like, yo, I'm ready.

Like five minutes. He did that shit fast. But he had a subject topic because that's when he, fuck what the next nigga done mean. I'm like, why this nigga shitting on X? Because he was upset. Because he was upset that I had X closing the record. You remember back in those days, whoever closed the record, right?

He was like, got it. So he's like, you letting him closing the record. You remember back in those days, whoever closed the record, right? He was like, so he's like, you letting him close the record? I said, yeah, I like his energy on it. He brings it up. Man, they gonna have it to my forehead.

I'm gonna grab me and get someone like my bitches cruddy. My clothes dirty, dick shitty, and my knife bloody. I did too much dirt to turn back now.

I'm the reason my little sister smoking crack now. I feel guilty if I had a heart dirt to turn back now. I'm the reason my little sister smoking crack now I feel guilty if I had a heart, but I don't That thing was a problem. Yo that thing because he was truly a fucked up Truly a fucked up nigga. Oh, yeah, but let's finish quick Thomas line Everything true, okay, let's go. Okay. with slime. You want to get me more fucked up? A little bit.

I'll answer everything truthfully. Okay, let's go. I don't care. L.A. or New York? L.A. or Miami? Oh, that's easy. L.A. I like living in L.A. Miami, but let me put a disclaimer.

Miami is great, but I wouldn't want to live here. But you was finger popping a lot of shit in Miami. Let's keep it real. And to keep it real, if I lived in Miami, I'd be finger popping a lot of shit in Miami. Let's keep it real. And to keep it real, if I lived in Miami, I'd be finger popping a lot of shit. Oh, God. Miami, when we made our album, we made Last Temptation. Look at Rue.

He don't know how to do it. He pointed it out. We made Last Temptation in Miami. Finger popping. Listen, listen. We made Last Temptation in Miami. We made Rule 336 in Miami. Think about it. Listen, listen. We made Last Temptation in Miami. We made Rule 336 in L.A.

Murder Mansion. Miami? You don't want to work. L.A.? I would go to the studio. I worked every day. Yes, of course. But what I'm saying,

you understand what I'm saying? L.A., I would go to the studio. I would come home. It was like I could work in L.A. And Miami is too tropical. I feel like this is so beautiful that I need to fuck my life off.

Miami's so beautiful, you say to yourself, fuck your career, fuck your life. Make some noise for that. Yeah! Do that one, why not? Miami's the Fuck your life. Make some noise for that. Yeah! Do that one. Why not? Miami's the most fucking light. You will fuck over there in two extra hours in Miami. In Miami, right.

This is facts. LA, it was more, it worked in LA. New York was the best place to work. EPMD or Gangstar? You motherfucker. No, no. I have to, I told you. Okay.

Then let's... No problem. No problem. Let's see who you're going to pick. You fucking EPM No, no. I have to. I told you. Okay. Yeah, that's... No problem. No problem. Let's see who you're going to pick.

You fucking gave me heroin. You fucking gave me shots. Take your back. Take your back. No. You fucking... You're a fucking evil genius. Jesus, Lord.

So, EPMD or Gangsta? EPMD. Okay. Now, this one, I want you to stay here just for this part. All right, let me see this one. Yo! MTV Raps or Yo! MTV or Rap City? I just want to see this. Damn.

B.T.! Rap City! B.T.! Which by the way is doing my documentary, where you can only see a CD. And yes, I did interviews drunk with my own shit too. I'm an alcoholic. Yeah! Don't cheer yourself up, Elizabeth.

As I calculate that, somehow that answer's correct. Yeah, jeez. That answer's correct. That's the day. Jeez. That is correct. That's the day she found the shit. Somehow that answer's correct. That answer's correct. Okay, big pun or big L? Come on, man.

Really? Really? They both passed away. Let's take a shot. I'll take a shot with you. You're a fucking piece of shit. I love big pun and I love big L. That's why you got to take a shot. Let's make some noise for everybody.

Yeah! The right way, goddammit. You were stuck there. So you do pose questions that you know are allowed to take a shot. Yes, that's very true. You're a fucking piece of shit. He's a piece of shit. Now this is a producer.

Because I'm fucked up already. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go! But this is a producer. Because I'm fucked up already. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. But this is a producer question. I don't know. NPC 2000 XL or the NPC 3000? 3000.

I'm old school. Okay. That's what old school has? But my nigga Chick could make that XL. He could make that bitch sing. There's certain people that... I'm pretty sure a large professor on the SB-1200 probably would kill.

It's over, right? He's the crowd for the SB-12. The 3000, my nigga Lil Rob, when I say a wizard, this guy was a wizard with that shit. And Chink with the 2000 XL. With the 3000? Yeah, Primo with the 3000.

I see Primo as the SP-12 guy because he started it. And trust me, all of those rugged-ass beats, you could... Me as a producer, I could tell when a beat is made on the SP-1200. Wow. It just has a certain... It made on the SP-1200. Wow. It just has a certain... It's like an analog-ish sound. It has that dirt, y'all. It has that grit that hip-hop loves.

This is a real producer. That's what I'm trying to say. I don't like it when you say you're not a real producer. 80s, 90s, early 90s hip-hop. Oh, God. It's the SP-1200. All right. Yeah.

I like to say by 2000, nigga, I helped usher the 3000 in. That's why we say you a real producer. That's what I'm saying. Like, you know, like I don't like when people say this. Listen, you know,

it's a travesty that I don't get. Right. Because in all honesty, Nori, like, as a producer, nigga, I got busy. Wow.

Yes, you did. Real, listen, real busy. Like, I got busy wow yes you did listen real busy like I got hip-hop slash music busy because you know hip-hop before then was a lot of samples a lot of thing and how to manipulate it but fucking my shit was like live instrumentation right and shit like that because I was blessed with having Little Rob and Chink and Seven and these niggas all playing. First Quick Time with Slimus so we can get back to it. Y'all still ain't ready for Quick Time with Slimus? He's giving great explanations and I gotta accept it. Jesus the Lord.

Swiss Beats or Timbaland? Swiss Beats or Timbaland? Timbaland. For real or card? Oh, yeah. Damn. Take a shot? Take a shot.

Quick shot on Salah. Pharrell. Okay. We accept that. Rolex or Patek? Rolex is forever. For Pateks, they kind of got it. They kind of...

You know with Pateks? The Patek that Rule got, they stole. They stole. They stole. They stole. They stole. They stole. They stole.

They stole. They stole. They kind of got it. They kind of... You know what Paddocks... The Paddock that Rule got, they stole, right? Listen, they stole from AP. Shout-out to my nigga Francois. He's the president of AP. He's the only APs when no one else can. Francois, Francois, my nigga here. Francois, Francois!

If you want that, Francois, if you want to have a friend, if you want to be a T.O.P., if you want to be an A.P., y'all all just say what's up to friend T.O.P. Okay, right? But the Patek bit the A.P. Mmm. That watch that you got, A.P. has an exact watch like that.

Now, Ruse is done. Ruse's watch screams, fuck Now, Ruse is done. Ruse Watch screams, fuck you, I'm living, I'm good. When I see Ruse Watch, I say, damn, nigga, you screaming, you screaming, you good to niggas. You want niggas to know you good, huh?

No, no, no. Did you see the watch? So am I lying? I'm not a liar. I see Ruse Watch, I say, damn, nigga, you screaming, you good. If you didn't know, you know now, nigga. It's not that one. It's not that one.

But Patek, come out, you busted, but Patek bit, they bit the AP stainless steel, gold gold platinum one. The one with that type of band, they bit that. I know which one you're talking about. Yeah, they bit that. But yeah, this is-

So you're going Patek or Rolex? Where'd you go? Patek or Rolex? Yeah. I'm a Rolex guy. Okay, Rolex, okay, cool. But you know my Patek is rose gold. Throw me in here.

You know that, right? My Patek is rose gold. Your rose gold, your Pate, Ruel, is immaculate. No, thank you. I appreciate that. No, listen. I've seen a lot of watches. This is a different level watch, you know, because it screams like Ruel, if y'all don't

know. Ruel, no, but listen. If y'all don't know, Ruel's like a classy nigga. Ruel's the only one that turns directly to the camera. Ruel's a classy nigga. He's the only one that turns directly to the camera. He's a classy nigga. Like, Roo's a very much the right shirt. The right.

He puts it together. He ain't me. Nigga, I just got this from Foot Locker. No, not Foot Locker. Yo, Drew, where we go? Drew's in the other room. Hey. You're right there.

We went to, uh, Dix Sporting's good. Dix Sporting's is. I don't give a fuck. Just like, who knew he was going to be on Drink Jam? And from head to toe, he's camera motherfucking ready, big. I just know it's you, Drew. Dick Cameron.

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Hey, yo, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me just say this. I ain't even know what you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me just say this. I don't even know. This is why I don't give a fuck shit. I'm going to take that shit.

All right, all right. But let me just explain something. Who got on some sneakers? I don't even know what the fucking sneakers are. Yeah, I can't pronounce them shit. I don't know. I don't know what they are. I don't know what they called.

But guaranteed, they are expensive. Yeah, they are. I'm not. Me and Ru is polar opposites when it comes to that. Yo, dick ass. I don't know what they are. I don't know what they called. I don't know what they called. I don't know what they called. I don't know what they called. I don't know what they called. I don't know what they called. But guaranteed, they are expensive.

Me and Ru is polar opposites when it comes to that. Yo, Dick's Sporting Goods. This nigga, yo, I'm mad he ain't got the watch that we saying. The watch he got is like the illest watch, I swear to you. It's like that. I looked at it and I know watches. This nigga got the illest watch, I swear to you. It's like that. I look at it and I know watches. This nigga got the illest watch in America, you know? Hey, niggas, don't think you can come try and get him for that watch. I know you fucking robbing niggas.

Because Nori has a robbing niggas thing. No, no, no. Let me touch you. Unless you ready to die. Okay, look. You ready to die? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hey, at no point I lied. I'm dying about Ruth, nigga. Go ahead. I'm dying about my nigga. Hold on, my nigga Prince said the illest line. He said, yo, he said the illest line that I've adopted.

He said if my uncle and friend was to die, he said half of me would be dead. The other half is solely devoted to revenge, nigga. If that ain't the most gangsta. I was like, nigga, but yo, I'm one of them niggas. Don't fuck with Rue. Leave it. Let's leave it alone. Save two lives.

Mine and yours. Listen, listen, my nigga. All right, moving on. Nori, I love Rue. You know, I love Rue. Goddamn it. Podcast or radio? Radio!

I'm a dinosaur! I'm a fucking dinosaur! Fuck you! I'm 97! 5 out of 5. Fuck you, you fucking new. I'm a dinosaur. Rawr! Yo, what the fuck? They're gonna use that. I'm a dinosaur. Rawr!

Yo, that got me. I just, yo, in the second I came off the monitor, I was like, oh shit, that's a fucking commercial. Next on Drink Change, Irv Gotti and Ja Rule. I'm a dinosaur. Ah. I'm giving you niggas money. Hey, I'm giving these niggas money. But you know what?

You know what? I'm glad to do that. I wanted my niggas to win. Let's go. Let's go. Fuck that. Yeah! Yeah!

OK, B Street? B Street or Crush Group? Jesus, really? Yeah, that's a little fucked up. That's a little fucked up. I can't drink. I'm already drinking champagne Russell and um, nigga you damn right Had the radio

Absolutely, we said yo box. Let's say this. LL is responsible for building the greatest rap fucking label ever created. Absolutely. Def Jam. Are you cool with Tunji? The new guy who took over? Tunji? Tunji?

Yeah, no one knows him. I don't know Tunji. Tunji's a good guy. Tunji's probably a no one knows. I don't know Tungy. Tungy's a good guy. Tungy's probably a good guy, but I don't know Tungy. And for Def Jam to have someone that Ergati doesn't know running Def Jam, no disrespect, Tungy, but fuck. You're the conviction, man. Is Tungy, Tungy on Def Jam?

Listen. Yeah, Tungy's on Def Jam. Def Jam. Who's really the boss of Def Jam? Is I believe. Fuck, I'm so drunk. How do I know this guy? How do I know?

Come on. You know his name. I'm really drunk because this guy's name. Jesus Christ. What you been drinking? It's the fucking weed, nigga. what you've been drinking smoke weed it's these things been feeding me fucking heroin I'm a drawer! Every time I come to... Every time I come to drink shams, they get me fucked up the most I've ever been! These niggas is heather niggas! The heather niggas!

Cause I'm fucked up the most I've ever been! But let me just ask before we move on. Because at one point... And I keep drinking this fucking spade! That's the greatest champagne in the world, sir. That's the greatest champagne in the world. That's the greatest champagne in the world. You can light the Nori candle.

Yeah, let's light the Nori and EFN candles. Light the fucking candles! Light the fucking candles! Light the fucking candles! But hold on, guys, because at one point... Oh, for God's sake, can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we?

Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we?

Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? Can we? I'll go to that time. That's when James Mars was in that time. No, but you know what? I credit Leo Cohen.

Ooh, no, he's brand new. Go ahead. I hope they fucking make me smell and get unfucked up. Okay, yeah, yeah. It's a sober candle. Yeah, it's a sober candle. Hey, knowing you would happen, this is going to finish me. No, no, it been this is gonna finish me I got you! I got you! Yo! I'm up to something!

Man, it looks like... take a shot! Take a shot! Hey, he's looking like Satan! That God is his man! And he's fucking... Put on the uniform! And he's fucking with Satan! Look at this nigga! No, he was...

No, look, look,, but I got it. I can't let it slide. I can't let you look at me. I'm gonna laugh. Every time I look at you, oh God, I gotta turn that thing around. I can't look at that thing. It's sweet baby news.

Sweet baby news. I'm going to lie. We got to turn up in a fucking way. The Bugatti, at one point they were saying there was no one to run that Def Jam system. And now, even though you say you ain't know. I mean, I'm over wanting that, but there was a time that man, Def Jam,

y'all fucked up. Because y'all should have gave someone who watched Russell Simmons, who lived 10 blocks from me, watched Russell Simmons have a record label called Def Jam and what inspired me to have Murder Rink. Like, y'all would have got somebody

who not, and listen, I don't want the job now. So, I know you're going to hear this and some of them say, we should have hired Gotti. Yeah, you fucked up. You know what I'm saying? Because I love Def Jam. It wouldn't have been a job to me. It would have been

a thing. And I truly believe Def Jam is the best hip-hop label that America has ever fucking seen. Give it up for Def Jam. Give it up for Def Jam. I would always say

that DMX, if y'all didn't know, was signed to Sony, Columbia Sony first. I believe Rough House. They didn't know what the fuck to do with my nigga. Death Jam knew what to do with my nigga. My favorite regime of Death Jam, and y'all can correct me if I'm wrong.

This is my favorite regime. Leo Combs, Kevin Louse, Russell Simmons, Judy Greenwald. That's it. Mike Kaiser. That's it. Sam Kresko. That's the squad. That's the gang.

Randy Acker. That's the gang. Bang, bang. Who am I missing? Tom Oskars. Tom Oskars. You know what you're naming? He just named, if y'all don't know.

Mike Kaiser? I said Mike Kaiser? Yes. Okay. He named whatever you know about hip hop. Understand this. The names that he just named are lifers. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

They're lifers. It's a difference when, like, if the pandemic would have hit during my tenure at Def Jam, niggas would have still been in the office. Right. We used to play fucking Monopoly till two o'clock in the morning. Yeah, I used to roll dice there. I used to get my hair cut.

Everything, man. Everything, man. Def Jam was... That shit felt like a block. I ain't listening to that shit. I'm leaving the block to a corporate block. Not to critique or whatever, but people who work for Def Jam

say it's like they be calling it pre-Goddy and post-Goddy. You know what I'm saying? Because they was like, yo, you had that much of an effect on Def Jam, but I love Def Jam

with every fucking inch of me. Like, when I interviewed with Lior and got that job and then got X signed and got Jai signed and Jay was already signed, I was like in career heaven. Right. I'm working with my brothers. I'm working with my niggas.

From Hollis, from Corlina, from St. Jack. You know the day I signed with Def Jam, you know what you told me? What? You told me, don't celebrate, nigga. Oh, that's right. I was like, this nigga earned Jack's. You know the day I signed with Def Cam, you know what you told me? What? You told me, don't celebrate, nigga. Oh, that's right. I was like, this nigga earned his pay. That sounds like something.

No, no, no. That sounds like exactly something I was saying. I don't think anybody would doubt he said that to you. No, no. That sounds like something exactly I was saying. And this is 160. And I didn't know you were schooling me. Hold on, hold on.

This is 160, Varick. Yes, this is 160, Varick. No, no, yes, it's 160, Varick. This is 160, Varick. You said to me, no, this is, as they. No, no, yes, it's 160 Varick. This is 160 Varick. No, this is, actually, making a transition. This is what you said to me. You said, you'll have to work harder on this label than you did for your independent label.

You said it in the interview, and I fucking thought about it. And I thought he was hating, though. I was like, this nigga hurts. No, no, listen, Ruth said it in the interview that I thought about it. This is the damn signing, my nigga. And I was like, damn, Ruth's right. He's like, don't celebrate. Ruth said, I'm on Def Jam, right?

But forget the competition within the label. Right. It's so intense. Yeah. It's forcing you to make your best records. It's forcing Ludacris. Think about this. Ludacris was selling 3 million, 4 million albums.

Right. It was kind of an afterthought during this tenure with JX and John. Wow. Wow. Kaiser wasn't fucking with him. Kaiser was fucking with us, with J, with Rock. Yo, with Rough Riders. That's it.

Right. Kaiser, to this day, he be bougie. He's like, fucking with these niggas. I just fuck. You you know I'm saying The competition you don't like his artist at all his artists now my cuz I'm not gonna say that Atlantic already has problems with people wouldn't leave and talking crazy. That's that's the plan. So we're not going to add fuel to that fire. Yeah, it's just... Right?

But, yeah, Def Jam, Rule will tell you that, but I first heard of Rule... That was the greatest label. Because, no, Rule said in an interview, he was like, he was explaining

how at Def Jam he got to bring his best because it's so starved to get attention How he was explaining how at Def Jam he got to bring his best cuz this is so Starved to get attention From from Def Jam you got to understand the top three niggas is selling five six Seven eight nine million a clip and you have a sense who you gotta get on a calendar There's only a certain amount of projects that's dropping in a 12 month period. And y'all are fourth quarter niggas, so I ain't never had problems with y'all.

We was always beginning fourth quarter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. September, October. That's the big deal. I'm a summertime nigga. We never had no problems with y'all. I always knew it. First year, sixth year, and then fourth quarter.

We was September, October. That's how the labels making all their money back. Because you catch fire, you get a big first week, you get a big first week, you get a You know what's interesting? That fourth quarter, that's how the labels making all their money back. Because you catch fire, you get a big first week. I'm telling you why September, October. You get a big first week, but then what else? You get Thanksgiving bump, and then you get Christmas bump. The Christmas and Thanksgiving bumps are so crazy.

That's why we were selling word to mother. We were selling it at the clip. We're killing them. I like to include records sold outside the US. Because to me, I don't understand what's the difference. The labels make it a difference. You have domestic royalties

and you have a cheaper, lower overseas royalties, which is jerking the shit out of you, everybody, because guess what they're spending on overseas? Zero. They're sending nothing. They're taking everything, the videos,

the album, the packaging, all the shit that they have line items for overseas, they're just pocketing. Overseas sales is the biggest scam in fucking record label history holy shit overseas i mean i fucked the labels i never had a problem i'm not one of those indie guys fuck fuck no i want to be on a major because i want to sell 10 million. Me too. I don't know if you can sell 10.

I want to be on a major too. Keep that major. But wait, but wait, but it's a difference now. I'm a major guy. You guys are talking physical sales era versus now digital sales and digital streams and this whole different era. I like the new wave of- I'm taking another shot. Yeah, go take another shot.

I'm going to take a shot with you. Take a shot through what I'm about to say too. I like it. Take a shot through what I'm about to say. Take a shot through what I'm about to say. I like it. Here's a shot, so I'm going to say, too. I like it. Take a shot at what I'm about to say. Take a shot at what I'm about to say. I like it. I'm going to get one, too. Give me one, too.

Here's a shot to being independently major. That's the way. That's the way. Independently major. Need a lot of cake. That's what me and Novi see. I spilled it all over my fucking desk. That's not drinking alcohol.

Like everything I do. Hold it. Like everything I do. I'm not drinking alcohol. I'm not drinking alcohol. I'm not drinking alcohol. I'm not drinking bed. That's not drinking. It's not. Like everything I do. Hold it. Like everything I do. Yo, the earth got me.

My God. Yeah! And it's real that I'm fucking drunk. And I'm taking a piss. Okay, I got three more and I'm taking a piss too. DJ, that little boy went in there and won. You didn't even know we made a bet. I'm gonna use this piss, too. DJ, that little boy went in there and won. You didn't even know we made a bet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All of you is just lying, motherfucker. Yo, Jerry, I look drunk as a motherfucker. No, you good. I know when I start talking like this, I'm different. We only got three. We only got three more to be done. You jab for a nigga, yeah. No, two more.

Quick time or slime. We still have quick time. Yeah, yeah, so only three more. I just took a free shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This should be easy for you. I don't want yeah. I just took a free shot. Yeah, yeah, you took a free shot. This should be easy for you. Illmatic. I don't know when he's finished.

I took a free shot. I'm not playing. Illmatic or doggy style? Jesus. That's a tough one. You got to take a shot for that. Jesus. I thought the East Coast and you were going to take over.

No, I can't. We can't. No, the East Coast. No, I can't take another shot. Oh, you don't get to take a shot? No, take a shot. Illmatic. Illmatic?

That's cool. Take a shot of fucking bomb. All right. Ill fucking... Illmatic, please get the fucking money. Illmatic, please get the fucking money. Illmatic, please get the fucking money. Please get the fucking money. Please get the fucking money. Okay, just two more. Queen Latifah MC Lyfe.

Queen Latifah MC Lyfe. Come on, man. I don't make these questions. Take a shot of that. Take a shot of that. Come on, man. Yeah, that's kinda fucked up. Yo, come on, man. That's a Dominican Medusa and a Colombian Medusa right there. Take a shot of that. Take a shot. I like Latifah's family, nigga. That's what I said.

I love Latifah. But she make them big records, too. She make them fancy light. I love, too. I'm saying fuck the records. I love light, too. Latifah's family, nigga. Take a shot.

I love Queen Latifah. Yo, I'll fuck a nigga up for Latifah. If I see Latifah arguing with someone, I'm snuffing him. Straight up. I ain't gonna lie. I think Latifah gonna hold it down. I doubt it. Latifah may hold it down.

I think she might. I think she might fuck you guys up. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm a winner. So if she's fucking someone up, I'm throwing some kicks in that motherfucker's tooth. That's my sister. Listen, it's only two.

Big shot to Shaq Kim. Big shot to Shaq Kim. And then, it's another quick. Yeah, life. Life details, nigga. Life's family. Life's family. I don't like this for life.

And she's like, this is a rock. Fuck it, man. I got to take a shot. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot. And that's woman power.

That's woman power. Did you see all of them clapping? Yes, shot. That's right. And that's woman power. That's woman power. Did you see all of them clapping? Yeah, that's right. They're the same ones that told me to silence Malcolm. They wanted to silence him. Don't take a shot now. Take a shot of this fucking... No, no, no, no, no, no.

Fuck you. Let's go, man. Let's go, man. Yo, this is a big shot though. Yo, no, no, no. You can't do that. And this is to your documentary, man. This is...

To the documentary. To the documentary. To the documentary. To the documentary. To the documentary. To the documentary. To the documentary. To the documentary. To the documentary. Let's go, man! Let's go, man! Yo, this is a big shot. Yo, no, no, you can't beat a close shot. And this is to your documentary, man. To the documentary BET.

To the documentary BET. Let's go! Who's carrying the ball? Who's carrying the ball? Who? Who? Come on, man! You three, right there.

You three, right there. All right, we got two Two more and that's it. Oh, two more shots? No, no, no. That's a shot. That's a shot. Outcast or you just kidding? Has anyone ever earled on Drink Champs?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But now, Camerino, you locked it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We locked it out. If I had someone's family right back home. If I happen to earl and vomit out this bitch. We go viral, baby.

We go viral. I want the people to say there's nothing Yeah. And vomit out this bitch. We go viral, baby. We go viral. I want the people to say, there's nothing I want to hide from you. I'm not one of these niggas that's going to be like, nah, I don't fucking show it. Fuck it. I'm still me. Outcast or UGK? Jesus. Oh Jesus Like

You gk underground But nigga, all me, all we listen to, UGK. Nigga! Underground King. Underground King. You got to say GK and fucking the Ghetto Boys Resurrection, nigga. That's all we listen to. And then Reasonable Doubt, when Jay made it. Okay, so that is UGK or Ghetto.

Or Outkast. Outkast or UGK. That's both, man. That's both. Nah, I got to take a fucking shot Or OutKast. That's both, man. That's both. Nah, I gotta take a fucking shot if we do both. Let's take a shot. It's UGK. You already committed to the OutKast. You can take a shot of Ace.

You can take a shot of Ace. That's right, man. I got these outside. I'm doing this for you. I got these outside. Hey! Hey! I've never come outside.

Yeah, but we've been doing this documentary. But Nori. We've been doing this documentary. But Nori... We've been doing this documentary. No, the documentary's dope. But Nori, it's just so hard to fucking say no to. And it's the last one. Hold on, Ru, am I right? Yes, yes, yes.

My brother. It's our brother. So when Nori calls, every fucking ounce of blood in my body wants to say no, Nori. How many times you going to have me and Josh on fucking Dream Jams? Together. This is beautiful. Give these new niggas a shot. You're a fucking hip-hop ambassador.

You're a gatekeeper. Interview little baby! We in! We in! Let's take that shot! And this one is easy. This one should be easy. It's the last one. Loyalty or respect? You can answer that one too.

Loyalty. That's hard. How about you? Ooh. Respect. I like that y'all win against each other. Can you get closer? Listen. We're not David Letterman in the mix. You've been progressively going further back. He's trying to get away from us.

I'm here, but he's not here. He's right. I'm here, but he's not here. He's trying to get my wild ass. Got him. Yeah, yeah. I like loyalty, but I'm going to say respect because respect and you see this goes to, you know, back with the slap, the whole shit. You know what I'm saying? What else people do?

Because here's what I'm saying about respect. There's no safe space for disrespect. And that's when people get it fucked up. Like, yeah, you can say what you want, do what you want, but I can also react how I want. You know what I'm saying? So there's no safe space for disrespect. How many times we was at the Manhattan proper and motherfuckers telling jokes and that wasn't the right joke. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah, yeah. So there's a line you cross in everything. Right. And so I think respect is the one I'm going to go with because you got to guard that with everything. And respect everything. You know what I'm saying? I'll fight and die and live for respect and my honor.

You know what I'm saying? Loyalty is coming and going. They're going to be loyal. You know what I'm saying? Right. Okay. Loyalty is the biggest for me. Right.

It's big for me too, but people, I've big for me. It's big for me too, but people, I've learned to learn. Like my family. I've lived to learn that people are not loyal. You know it's the illest shit, people are not loyal. But you know it's the illest shit? I be telling motherfuckers all the time, I love my family, like my immediate family, my brothers and sisters, my mom, my dad is gone. I love them so much.

I don't really need nobody. So no one could really get me off of my grind right now because I'm so in tune with life and who I am, what I'm supposed to do. I'm just so in tune with that. And I could go home and chill with my mom, Nene. I don't really need, I don't need nothing. I have a great time with Nene. I have a great time with Nene. He be motherfuck sipping water. They said this nigga's talking about...

It's like, yo, give this nigga a bottle of water. This nigga's talking about just loving his family and his mother. You know what I mean? That's real shit. That's real shit. But let me go ahead for a second, God, because we talked about... You said all of the haters. Sonny wants to hear this shit.

No, but check it, right? The drunk God. We talked about DMX right Love X One thing that happened When DMX passed away Was a lot of people went to Twitter And they went to I believe Instagram

And started to say the accounts Of what they thought that happened And one of the people that they say That thought that happened That rushed judgment was you Yes Right I believe we had Swiss B Sitting in the same exact

chair that you're sitting there and i asked him about that as well and i said yo um what was the the thing and it was like um what was exactly what happened there with you got it what happened is someone told me what happened and i stupidly said it right but. But you know, I don't really regret that as much as the other things that I've done stupidly. Right. Because

X was never a faker or a fronter. Right. So however he passed away, I think he was cool. He would have been cool with his people and fans and...

knowing. I could be wrong, all good. Yeah. Nah, nah, nah, it's real because, yeah, that's real because I- I love X to my core, nigga. Right, everyone knows that. That's what I know.

Yeah, I love X to my core, nigga. Let me tell knows that. That's what I know. Yeah, I love X to my core, nigga. Right. Let me tell you, let me stop my bro, because my bro's a little beezy. He's been drinking a little bit, too. You know what I'm saying?

I want to stop him, and I just want to say, nah, because this situation, to me, it was personal. Right. And I felt it, and I called Gotti right after the whole shit.

He did. And I said, yo, Gotti, what the fuck? He said, yo, you fucked up. You shouldn't have said that. Right. But what I realized in that moment is that what I know... He did. And I said, yo, Gotti, what the fuck, my nigga? He said, yo, you fucked up. You shouldn't have said that. Right. But what I realized in that moment is that, and that what I know.

You know, you wasn't second guessing his love for X yet. No, not at all. I love X to my core, nigga. And I know that. I know that too. I know that too. Like, trust me. To my core, nigga.

I know. It's so deep with us. Yeah. With me. I know he love X more than he love me. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying. It's real shit.

On a serious note. No, this is serious. I don't love anyone more. This is serious shit for me. You know what I'm saying? Equal value. But I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

I knew in that moment that he didn't mean what Howard came up with. But I had to explain to him. that he didn't mean what Howard came up with. But I had to explain to him, like, my nigga, it came out very wrong, my nigga. Like, that wasn't the way you want that to come out. And let me tell you something. And I'm mad, and I'm mad at the public because the public don't understand his love and affection for a crack.

And so it hurts for me to see all of that, you know, publicly come out like that. And I'm like, yo, they don't understand his love for the dog. And for it to come out like that was fucked up. And I'm just glad he has a chance to say what he's saying. Because you know why? Because it was crazy.

I love that. I love that Steve Rifkin was tweeting or something like that. Steve Rifkin? Yeah. Because he manages it. Yeah, because he was managing X at the time. But he tweet.

And he was tweeting like updates. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I got, you know, again, I love X. I know the inner circle of X. I know everything with X. And that's what I was told. And did you wind up going to the funeral?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. It was a sad, it was an extremely sad day. But it was also a day that I wasn't totally mad because I know X. And X is with God and he's in heaven. There's no more demons. There's no more thing.

You know, X told me, he told me like when he was a young boy, his mother put him in a reform school, thought was like a big great friend of his he gave him a blunt mixed with cocaine sort of like the jeffrey that he's rolling up right now but uh he told me he was like yoi, that's when I saw the demon. And he said, the demon is still here. X was deep like that. X was, you understand, like once he says that, it's like a real shit. And I know people may laugh or maybe they think, well, but he was like, yo, when I took a puff, I seen the demon. And he said, the demon has never left me that's why i wasn't upset when i heard he passed away i was mad because y'all gotta

understand when i seen dmx it was like he i loved him and he loved me man you know when it really really hit honestly is when I quit Def Jam when I quit Def Jam X found out so when I came you went to DreamWorks or somewhere no I quit I'll just quit okay and Leo called me back and I said he said what he said what's the matter I said nigga we ain't signed a DMX that's what the fuck is the matter and that's the legendary where he drove up to Yonkers with Leo and Kevin.

I wasn't there, but I remember this. That's when he got signed. And Leo came out. We had the pick of the week, man. You told that story. You told that story here. So that's when he did that. And that's when X got that. And that's when I signed.

But real talk, X was like a person who your words and me, he looked at actions. He looked at actions and wanted to see and feel something real. When I quit Def Jam for me, he came back and he was like, yo, you quit your job for me He came back And he was like Yo you quit your job for me He asked me And I was like yeah Like If they ain't signing you Then fuck it

I don't want to be I don't want to be it anyway And I can tell y'all real shit From that day X was with me A hundred percent Like Darren and Y Used to say with certain things,

yo, Gotti, Gotti, you call X, you know he won't tell you no. When we did Get At Me Dog, remember, it was a freestyle first. You Drink Champs audience should know that, right? So it was a freestyle first. So we and Chung King, which was right next door to to Def Jam yeah 160 Barrick 170 Barrick

so I'm in there and we're making me and Darren made the hook to Get At Me Dog wow and Darren was like Gotti you know

you know Earl he called him Earl Get At Me Dog Earl Simmons he was like you know Earl ain't gonna wanna do this Gotti

he hates doing it. He's going to be like, he did the freestyle first. I said, Joe, we need a first single though. We need this record and it's perfect. Gotti, you know, he won't say no to you, but he wouldn't say no to me because of when I quit my job. He said, Joe, he looked at me, he was in my office, and he said, Joe, you quit your job for me. Like, that was the first, he walked in the office and someone must have told him.

Like, yo, God, he quit for you. And he came and he said, Joe, you quit your job, first question, yo, you quit your job for me? And I was in my office, I said, yeah. I said, if they don't sign you,

I don't want to be here. And I promise you, when. I said, if they don't sign you, I don't want to be here. And I promise you, when he's seen that, he's seen the love, he's seen the sincerity, he's seen the thing, he didn't tell me no for his career. I said, Joe, we knew X's, R's,

we said, the first verse will be this, second verse, third verse. We had the verses, everything, because I've been with him so long, I was just like, we knew X's rhymes. We say, the first verse will be this, second verse, third verse. We had the verses, everything, because I've been with him so long. I was just like, he just do these verses. And I got the hook off of the freestyle. If you remember the freestyle, he says, get at me nigga, with the damn.

I said, yo, that could, get at me dog, get at me dog. And Darren filled in the, the niggas want to be killers. The niggas want the real. And he did the hook, and I was like, yo. This is all history right now. And then I was like, yo, call.

I don't know none of this either. I didn't know that. I was like, yo, call whatever locks, because they was hot. If you remember, the locks was hotter than X. I was like, call one of the locks. He said, eh. Sheik is the only one that'll do it. That'll do it.

That's what he called them. Sheik came. What did they call it? The warlocks? Yeah. Yeah, the warlocks before they was the locks. But they was popping. But they were already the locks.

They were already the locks. They was popping. At this point, Diddy had them moving. They was popping. OK. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, get one of the locks for the songs. Nothing more background to the story is,

Gotti wanted me to do it. They didn't want to give me the love, the shot to do it. But this is my brother's love. Much love. Yeah. It's a rough ride to wreck it. It's cool, though. It's a rough ride to wreck it.

Hold on, when I look back at shit like that, I'm happy. They wanted to put on their own person. Word. Happy. Who wanted to do the Sheik, right? Sheik did it, yeah. Sheik, he said, no, he said Sheik is the only one that he thinks that's going to come right now and do it. He was like raspy and kissed. He said, God, they kind of problems right now.

Because they was hot. Oh, yeah We don't go back into some mixtape shit Okay, I got we've talked about it both times when you guys were on. I have the ADATs. Don't look over there. Look over here, man. I'm drunk as hell.

The Murder Inc. group. Was it ever really going to happen? Murder Incorporated. I don't want to talk seriously about that. Why? Because it's going to throw Jay under the bus. What happened? What's this?

What's this? He said the Murder Inc. Supergroup. Why didn't he? Yeah, I'm going to mixtape DJ. Get in these DATs. I got these D's this? What's this? He said the murder ring super group. Why didn't you? Yeah, I'm on mixtape DJ getting these dads. I got these dad tapes. It's Jay. Jay didn't want to do it. Jay, both times. I tried two times. The first time I tried.

I thought you were just saying you didn't want to talk about it. What the fuck are you talking about? The earth cam's on. You didn't need to talk about this. You didn't need to talk about none of this shit. Come on, man. You can say it without saying it. I don't want Jay to get mad at me. But it was a thing.

But it was a thing, though. What? Bird Incorporated as a group. It was a thing that I wanted. God, he wanted it to happen. It never was a thing that was actually happening. It wasn't a thing with JX and Jive, like, let's do this. It was all me.

It was all me. And that's the actual truth. It was God, he's vision and dream. He wanted it to happen for the three of us. And that's the actual truth. It was Gotti's vision and dream. He wanted it to happen for the three of us. And... Think about it. I'd do it with that album. It would've been dope. But truth be told, you can't even get X and J in the same movie at the time.

But there was mixtape joints. I got at least two joints. We did joints. It was never in the studio together. It was never the same time. It was never in the studio together. This was something the same time. It was never in the studio together. This was something that I... I should have brought these tapes. Evan, this is something that I knew.

They all was fucking ill. It would have been dope. Ja, X, and J, I was like, these niggas is incredible. All three of them. But, you know. When I look back at it, playing Monday morning quarterback, of course. Who? What are you talking about?

I'm happier than it went the way it did because I would have always been a third wheel on that. But you were in on it. Even though I fucking came in and got busy. I would have liked to respond. Don't get me wrong. I would have got a will on that. But you were in on it. Even though I would have fucking came in and got busy. I would have got busy. Don't get me wrong. I would have got busy. I would like to respond. No, no.

I would like to respond. Hold the fuck on. Hold the fuck on. I'm saying what I'm saying. I love my job. I would have got busy on that album. Don't get me wrong. But I wasn't established as an artist at that time.

I would like to respond. Hold the fuck on. I would like to respond! And hold the fuck on! I would like to respond! And so, it would've always been looked at as, you know, X and J. So you felt like it stunted your growth? Had you done that? No, I would've felt out of the very, exploded.

I would really like to respond! I would've exploded, but it would've always been looked at as Job would rule the tales of X and Job. I would have exploded, but it would have always been looked at as Ja would rule the tales of X and Ja over Chris. Norris! I would really like to explain. That's how this nigger is this nigger. Can I respond? Can I respond?

I don't need that because I'm me, nigger. I can visit. Can I respond? It was great. Nobody's ever stopped you. Go home. Hold on. Stop. Wait. Wait. It was great that I had a chance to be me. Yeah. While they were also them. You know what I'm saying?

And that was a beautiful thing for me. So now you can fucking respond. I would like to respond. Okay. One. It's your time. Hayes' excuse. Hayes' excuse, everyone. for his logic, everyone, is justified for the first time I tried it.

Ja wasn't as big as X and J. You're right. The second time he tried it, he was outselling them. He was outselling them, people! You cannot say, yo, it was fucking... So that means your excuse at that point in time... I have no excuse! I'm still in!

Listen, I was always all in. Even in the beginning. In the beginning. In the beginning. Even though I would have known, I knew that that shit would have fucking been my fucking benchmark, my fucking asterisk. I was still like, fuck that. I'm blowing some up. You're saying you're kind of glad in retrospect.

I'm going to get this money. I'm going to fuck what niggas is talking about. I'm going to fucking blow the fuck up if I do this with these niggas. Right. So I didn't give a fuck. My object was to blow the fuck up and be the biggest artist in the world. By any means possible. By any means possible.

All of this effing. I'll shove these niggas in our wake. All of this effing, Nuri. That was it. All of this effing, what we're talking about, has fueled why Ja is a fucking legend. Make some noise for that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? All of this fucking neglect.

All of this bullshit. All of this... You know what he used to say to me? He'd scream at me. You want to know what he screamed at me? They're not your fucking brothers, Gotti. I am. That's real.

That's real. That's real. That's real. I was screaming it. I was screaming it. They're not your fucking brothers, Gotti. I am. Pay this love intro. Why you want to stop IG from enterprising Brown at the Young Lions?

You ain't got to talk about all that. But what I'm saying is, yo. No, you know what's real? Listen to Payne's love. Listen to Payne's love intro. Here's the realest shit. Listen to Payne's love intro. Hold on.

And it tells you how my brother feels. Nigga, the realest shit, the realest shit is that night that we had that argument. I made, when in doubt, you can count on your nigga. That's the record I made for you. Because I wouldn't let you know, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Nigga, when in doubt, you can count on your nigga.

Hey, hey, hey. Come on. Let's make some noise for that. Come on. Come on. So this is why, hey. Come on. Come on. Come on. So this is why, this is the love. Y'all are getting a glimpse of why this shit is like this. That's why I say it.

I used to say, when we was driving, everyone had two guns, it was crazy. I used to say in interviews, leave Ruel alone. Leave him alone, please. Because if you fucking touch him, I swear to God, I'm killing you, nigga. Sorry, BT. You don't know who you're talking stuff, but that's just real. Yo, when I be looking at when Big died, I be so, like, confused and upset. And when Pac died, why'd you let this nigga stomp this nigga out, yo?

Knowing that this nigga's a real nigga. Like, why can't we have our two legends here? I would love to see what the world would look like if Biggie and Pac were still alive. Right. I mean, though. Like, I really think about this story. And it gets me physically, like, upset. And I'll be like, damn, man.

Like, damn. Why'd you let this thing is think it's Tupac and his thing is that's why when I be so like yo Tupac this thing who's the realest fucking nigga alive he wasn't just rap he was the only thing he was prolific he would know he was the realest nigga alive this nigga blasted that undercover cops and shot them niggas. Because that was fucking with a nigga. Yeah, they was jumping

another black man. Don't ever compare. You ain't Tupac, nigga. Stop. You ain't fucking, none of you niggas is doing that shit, yo. Right.

He pulled out, pulled the thing and blasted at them niggas because they was fucking with a nigga. Right. Jesus Christ, this nigga it's like, and then

Payne is one of the, shit. What's that nigga, Lamar Hill? He works for BET. Lamar Hill. Nigga, I recited the whole third verse to Payne in front of Lamar Hill because he said and kind of like downplayed or disrespected

the nigga Pac. I seen that nigga. I was like, nigga, they got me mobbing like I'm roped. I'm ready to get my slug on. I slip my clip and zip my motherfucking gloves on. I ain't scared to blast on these niggas if they test me. Trust, I got my Glock cop

player. If they press me, bust on motherfuckers with a badge. Better duck as I duck design looking with a blast I'm a nut and drinking Hennessy and getting high on look out for my enemies don't want to die Tell me why cuz the stress getting made With the razor what can I do will be what can I do but be a thug until I'm dead and gone? I'm dead and gone. I screamed that shit in Lamar Hills face. He was like, yo, they kept trying to stop me They burst up like this They kept spitting it in his face and he was like, I understand said don't nigga don't disrespect pop me not pop

That's only good think about his life. He lived what he was saying Don't disrespect pop, nigga. Not pop. Think about his life. He lived what he was saying. He lived exactly what the fuck he was. What can I do? Be a thug until I'm dead and gone. He died in some gangbanging shit, nigga. Crazy.

What can I do but be a thug until I'm dead and gone? Keep my brain on the game. Crazy. Don't let them bitches worry Keep drinking to you Keep drinking to you Drinking to you Buried I was born and raised Hell, a nigga from the gutter Word to mother I'm touched I'm kicking dust up Ready to bust I'm on the scene

Steady mugging mean Until they kill me I'll be living this fucking life Do you feel me, nigga? We gotta feel that Come on, nigga We gotta feel that Come me, nigga? Woo! Yeah. We got to feel that. Come on, nigga. We got to feel that. Come on, nigga.

No, man. No, you know, yeah. Totally off subject. No, you know. No, man. Totally off subject. Talk is different. Talk is different.

Give him a mic, though. Totally off subject. But come on, John. What can I do? What can I do? I'll be a thug until I'm dead and gone. Keep my hand in the brain. Yes, man.

Yes, man. I do will be a thug until I'm dead and gone. Keep the game in your brain and stay in your head. You know, we bastards want to kill me in my sleep. So, but, guy, let me ask you. Because at one point, you and Mike Geronimo did kind of seem like y'all was going to be the new Diddy. Damn, we back on Mike Geronimo? No, no, no, because we... Hey, watch this.

Here's the answer for you. Fuck that bitch ass nigga. Come on, nigga, man. Whatever you feel, nigga. Whatever you feel, nigga. I'm drunk, but it's really weird. Whatever you feel, nigga. Fuck you, nigga. You thought I wasn't the one?

Guess what? I'm the one, nigga. I'm the fucking one. You thought all the Pete Rock and Large Professor and shout out Large Professor because I learned how to make beats from Large Professor, and shout out Large Professor, because I learned how to make beats from Large Professor, and Premier, and LS1. Just stop, just stop. But you thought they was the one.

Nigga, I'm the one, nigga. I'm going to make them motherfucking hits, nigga, that you're going to remember forever. You're going to remember forever. Yo, yo, yo, yo. You know what the L shit is? Hold on. You know what the L shit is?

Hold it, hold it. I ain't gonna name no names. What the fuck? Right? You might as well turn the Nori candle around so I can look at you again. I can't look at Nori. He looks like he's wassating.

100%. He looks like he's wassating. But listen. Listen. Motherfucking. What the fuck was you doing? He looks like he's wassain. He looks like he's wassain. But listen, listen. Motherfucking... What the fuck was you talking about? Mike Geronimo. Mike Geronimo.

And he ran all them niggas and I'm like this shit is so crazy. And I understand... Nah, I don't understand because I made shit real. That shit was dope. That shit was dope but everything you guys did. No, I don't understand because I'm anxious real Okay, John if you don't understand or explain to you Gott me explain it to you the reason why is because got it you were a new producer at the time, and you brought him to where he was at that moment.

But he was from that area, and those dudes were bigger-name producers at the time that he wanted to work with. That's it! I don't lie. So when I say this shit, and I got a memory like an elephant, nigga, I don't forget shit.

Shit. You could pull up the fucking Houston Rockets and Golden State Warriors game that we was there, and you'll see Coutinho on the line and going like this. You may not see me because the camera angle, it wasn't to the benches. No. We understand.

Four-seat niggas. We understand. You understand? Four-seat niggas. We understand. It was across the bench, so you're going to see the back of my head. It ain't Nicholson's. Nicholson's, you see.

You know what I'm saying? Or Jay-Z's. You see us. You know what I'm saying? This, you see the back of my head. You know what I'm saying? But if you pull up the tape, you're going to see Coutinho going like this at the line. All right.

He was shaking his head because I'm screaming to him, nigga, the line is eight. We need both, nigga. I got 175 on this bitch. And this nigga was like, this nigga got, the refs was laughing at me. Everyone knew. But you know who else knew?

Fucking Gilbert Arenas. And he said, I'm going to fuck these niggas. You feel me? And Ja was giving it to this nigga the whole game. Ja had, I believe, out of 175 was like 25,000. I had like 50,000.

My brother had like 25,000. But it was 175 total. You want me to tell you another thing too? One time Ja was filming my video. I did a record with you. You guys charged me as an asshole. I did a record, but you guys charged me as an asshole. I did a record with y'all.

How much did you charge? They definitely charged me. They definitely just took half of the budget. Is that the video you shot? Yeah. I didn't even put out the video. I was charging like $300.

$250 was low. I didn't charge him that. I was like was low. I didn't charge him that. I was like $75. I didn't charge him that. I was like, I'm a fan. Do you understand what I'm saying? Hold on. Do you understand what I'm saying?

At the time, I'm charging motherfuckers $300. $250 is like, yo, you owe me a favor. You gave him the discount code. $250 is low. $75. Right, yo, you owe me a favor. You gave him the discount code. $250 is love at this time. $75. Right, but check it. So we film in the video. We film in the video.

Lennox Lewis comes to the set. Ja does the same as that shit. That's here in Miami. The video's in here in Miami. He goes up to Lennox Lewis and goes, Tyson gonna fuck you up. I'm like, wait a minute, Ja. We on this. Nah, we was Tyson niggas, yo. Tyson gon fuck you up You chuckle Gilbert and readers into into a Yo, so he went, you don't remember that, y'all? We filmed a video. We filmed a video. And he said, you chuckled Gilbert Arredes into it

on a video with me and you. And then Lennox Lewis came up. Lennox Lewis came up. And you told him that Lennox Lewis was possible. You said, Michael, fuck you up. That was Jody's idea. That was Jody's idea. Oh, OK.

Y'all were together. We were together on it, but Jody started it. Let's shoot our video. And Lenny's is a cool ass dude, too. He's a cool ass dude. They be key. For everyone that doesn't know, when I look this way, it's four women that's with BET that knows I'm about to... that knows I'm about to get fucked up because it's fucking Dory and everything.

Right? And I told them when they had the sidebar with me about silencing young Malcolm. I told them, I'm going to be fucked up, ladies. To which they said, you need to get a shot of them. To which they said, okay. They fucking said, they knew I was going to get fucked up. They said, listen, when you look at us and we go. Has it worked?

Has it worked? Yes. Yes. Yes. And there's certain things that I was going to talk about. I see Tasha give me the zippet and I fucking zipped it. So getting back to the documentary, like we said earlier, we established that we've seen the Rough Rider one,

and we've seen the No Limit one. How does this... And you got Tales going already, so how does BET... Tales season three for my Tales people is coming on right after... The documentary? The documentary. The documentary is what we call in the business, the lead in.

Okay. So how do they approach you? For the feature? For the feature? Because I want to end it with the documentary. Oh, we don't know that yet. Okay, here's what's going on. We're seeing it real time.

This is fact. This is real time. Tasha is like, we don't know. She's like, cut. And I'm like, fucking fucking I gave you that info but this is his little thing going on He just Swiss glasses and I Fashion guy You understand You don't understand. I told you. I'm sorry. How does BET... Apparently nobody understands.

Dick's Sporting Goods. You right there. Woo! Pick that fucking outfit. You didn't get that. Before. Before drink jam. This will be my drink jam.

This isn't my closet. This is a fucking t-shirt and some shorts. How does... Because you already have a great relationship with BET with Tails going. I love BET. How do they approach you about the documentary and... The documentary in all... Damn, man.

How many parts... There's a lot of parts. There's a lot of parts. There's a lot of parts. There's a lot of parts. There's a lot of parts. There's a lot of parts. But how does because you already have a great relationship with BET with tails go I love how did they how did they approach you about the documentary and the documentary in all damn? How many parts of the documentary? But I'm gonna keep it real cuz I just I keep it real right so they called me You better keep it real Listen they called me, here's how it went down

They called me after Rough Riders and No Limit did astronomical ratings for BET. Got him! Great documentaries, by the way. Great. I love those docs. I love those docs. I'm in the Rough Riders doc.

Right. So they called me, Gotti, we got to have the murdering doc. It's a huge doc. So the first thing, I said, yo, I'm with Live Nation and my nigga Michael Rubino. Could you get

it from them? And bring it to BET? Now BET gave me my first look with tails. Listen, listen. That's not how they sounded. Listen.

Let me blow up BET for one second. Right. Stephen Hill and BET gave me my first opportunity. They gave me a chance to do tails. BET will always, always be with me. I forever love them. They really can't do nothing to make me stop loving them because they gave me

this opportunity. Aww. Yes. On the count of three, aww. One, two, three. Aww. I have an aww moment,

but with BT, I'm cool with that because I love those motherfuckers. Right. They gave me the ability to do what I'm doing. Right. And, you know,

for like five degrees of separation, nothing happens for me. Let me tell you the time of my life I was in at that point. No one was fucking with me. For tails? For anything. Okay. I would

have great, I would be like, you would leave the meeting, you know, when you killed the meeting, so you leave the meeting and you're like, man, I killed that shit,

this is going to be good, this is going to be great. And nobody fucked with me. Wow. Why? Because I had that dark cloud over my head for the feds

in that whole indictment. Right. And doing super ugly. And doing super ugly. So, now, Stephen Hill. I pitch him tales. Yo, we're going to take great hip-hop records, and through the inspiration of that,

we'll make one to two-hour films. I fucking love it. He gives me the deal, yo. And Jay-Z's executive producer as well, right? Let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. Because this also might have got him fired. Wait a minute.

I didn't know it took a twist like that. It's a twist. It's when I tell you it's a twist. So now he does tales, but he only signs me to a backdoor pilot. Now, backdoor pilot for everybody means he's not committing to 10 episodes or 8 episodes. Just funding the pilot?

He's committing to one episode. If the ratings does well, we'll do more episodes. Which is like a white label. It's like a demo deal, basically. It's a demo deal. Exactly. For music, it's translation, demo deal. Demo deal, okay.

Okay. So now, I say, damn, I only got one episode. I need Hove. Hove is starting Tidal. I know Hove wants content for Tidal. That's exclusive on Tidal. I call Hove. Yo, I'll give you the second window of tail so like after a week or whatever beats he chooses thing and just

give me a little a fraction of the money and BT is playing the clean version for lack of a better term correct a clean and dirty like a record so once he does that now we're in the office me jay-z stephen hill daryl walker chris mccormick chris abrigo of indomarshine we're in the office together and let me tell you just jay walking in the office had everyone like giddy and shit if you ever want to close a deal, just get Jay, yo. When Jay walks in, yo. It's not that easy, Gotti, but I understand what you're saying.

I know it's not that easy, but here's my disclaimer of how good Jay is. You want to close a deal? If Jay's in the room, the answer's yes. Yep. So I get Jay,

I say, yo, you want this for title? You're just starting, you can get the content, you'll get it a week to two, three weeks after it comes out, it'll be good for title. Yo, that's dope. So in that meeting, Stephen Hill,

Jay, what do you want to do? Like, it was all about Jay. And he said, Jay, what do you want to do? What do you want to do with this? You know, what's going on? And they're happy to be in a all about Jay. And he said, Jay, what do you want to do? What do you want to do with this? You know, what's going on? They happy to be in a room with Jay. Jay says, when Gotti is in his creative shit like this, what we all need to do is give him whatever he needs

and get the fuck out his way. It's the best alley-oop in the history of the British. Talk about a win, man. Talk about a wingman. Talk about a wingman. That is crazy. So Jay says this, Stephen Hill and Daryl Walker turned to me. So, God, what do you want to do? I said, yo, we just got one episode.

Daryl Walker? Daryl Walker. Okay. He, RIP. Oh, okay. I thought you meant Daryl Miller. No, no. Daryl Miller's my attorney and your attorney. He's every black person's attorney. Damn, I didn't know that.I.P. Oh, okay. I thought you meant Darryl Miller. No, no. Darryl Miller's my attorney.

He's my attorney. He's every black person's attorney. Damn, I didn't know that. Yeah. If you're a nigga in the entertainment business, Darryl Walker loves you. Not me, not me.

Not me. I got a different job. Not me, not me. I got a different job. Everyone else. Okay, okay. So, you know, when I do this,

and I'm talking to him. What, you know, when I do this and... I'm talking about... What the fuck? What am I talking about? Talking about Dal Walker, y'all, in the media. Dal Walker, okay. Dal Walker and Stephen Hill. Stephen Hill.

Right? I said, yo, we only got one episode. They was like, okay. And they basically changed the backdoor pilot... To a full-fledged episode deal But I own the first season of tails. Well outright That's that explain. I just gave you the reason why you got the big homie in there

No, what he has brazen at the time in all honesty. They made a mistake Beautiful, you know, um, of people ain't making it. I thank God. It's long. Like, here's another thing that I want to get to the audience. I gave my female thing about bitches and everything like that. Hopefully you keep it and they see it. Yes, of course. Right? And then the other

thing with me is I'm like ridiculously spiritual. And you know, it's crazy because the trial my federal indictment brought me close to the God but that's a documentary in itself too yes it is because when I was going to trial I would I didn't want to I didn't want to ask God to save me because I thought that would be the bitch-ass nigga nigga I've been talking you know I'm like save me please God save me so I didn't do that instead every day I listen to Mary J Blige Life, and it brought me to tears every time when she goes the part of,

And I know that things will turn out right. Yes, they would. Yes, they would. I'll cry. If you play that record right now, there's a 50-50 chance I'm gonna cry on that part. And like when I went, when I see Mary for the first time, I dropped to my knees and I was like,

yo, you're my queen forever, forever. And then I asked her, I said, yo, who fucking wrote my life? She said, I did. And I was like, damn, you just, there'll never be anybody over Mary J. Rodgers. Mary, Mary.

Because when you listen to my life, it's a spiritual record. She's talking about God. She's talking about believing in God. And if you believe in God, I know that things will turn all right. Yes, they would. Yes, they would. Yes they would. Like, so Mary was the ultimate for me. She'd been the ultimate.

She was the ultimate for me before that. But when I found out she wrote that record, Jesus Christ, like I was like, I just looked at her and dropped to my knees and bowed my head. Like she's my queen, for real. I love fucking Mary J. Blige. I'll fuck a nigga up over Mary J. Blige. Fucking a lot of niggas up today. I'll fuck a nigga up. You know what?

I ain't the top physical fit. I ain't get fucked up. But, yo, I'm letting you know I'm going. I'm a physical fit. I may get fucked up. But yo, I'm letting you know. Listen, I'm letting you know, I'm going. I'm going. It's a thing that's official. I may be the one in the hospital. But I'm cool with that. You ain't going to fuck with my girl. You committed. You committed.

You're not fucking with me. You ain't fucking with Woo. You ain't fucking with Prem. Like, niggas be like, yo, Prem, you got him for protection. I said, nigga, nigga, say some crazy shit about Prem in front of me, I'm fucking him up. I said, it runs the same. I said, you know what?

I'm fucking him up. I said, you know what? I'm fucking him up. I said, you know what? I'm fucking him up. I said, you know what? I'm fucking him up. I said, you, nigga, say some crazy shit about Prem in front of me, I'm fucking him up. I said, it runs the same motherfucking way. Chris Black, you want to say nothing before we get him out of here?

No, he's not negative. We got positive vibes over here, sir. This nigga lighten, hold on, Norrie, do you see this nigga's glasses? That's glasses probably like 500 dollars and stuff. He got his jewels on. He got his jewels on. Like Scarface, I never lie. Even when I lie.

Well, I don't lie. I think that's pretty much the rest of it. Y'all definitely use it for the promo. What was the other shit I said? I never lie. You're a dinosaur. I'm not a dinosaur. I'm a dinosaur.

Use this for the promo, too. Disclaimer. His thoughts are his thoughts. What's the disclaimer? The views in the videos expressed by Irv Gotti is basically sold on Irv Gotti. No other participant in this show has the views of Irv Gotti. And listen, Ja Rule, and he put on Switzerland.

The head of my team. What's the name? By the way, I love Switzerland. I swear to God, this is something I'm telling you. I always am the most, like, I don't even remember feeling like this. Nori, I don't go out. It's beddy-bye by like 9, 10 o'clock. Yeah, me too.

Beddy-bye. I ain't going to bed. Bye-bye. Next day, I'm up early working. I think I'm going to strip and now you take another shot. I'm going to keep it real. I'm just being honest. Let's do it. You should end it now. Hold on. We're going to end it now. As you. As you. I think I'm stripping take another shot. I'm in with you. I'm in with you.

Nah, nah. Nah, but all jokes aside, all honesty, man. What you and John did, what y'all did with Murder, Inc., you know, it's gotta be, I wanna really give y'all y'all flowers,

really salute y'all to y'all face. You know, I remember I used to come over to Murder, Inc., and y'all used to drink Ribby Mar, and I used to be like,

man, you guys gotta start calming down. And I started bringing Pinot Grigio to y'all. You know what I'm saying? You definitely introduced us to Pinot Grigio. I said like man you guys gotta start calming down and I started bringing Pinot Grigio to y'all you know saying I'm not giving you the first the first time I seen Pinot Grigio when I was keeping it with Mariah okay you know I'm a total he got over it you know she was a Pinot Grigio yeah yeah yeah I think I'll be so right cabbage you saw film it's okay let's throw that out there well let me say something y'all big keep

big in y'all up because what y'all. We keep bringing y'all up. Because what y'all did, like I said, just me going through your discography, me really understanding, like, you know, the hits that y'all provided, the classic albums, the artists that y'all introduced, and all that.

And I'm just sitting back, and I want to really give y'all guys that flowers, literally, and what is this called? Yeah, figuratively. And fucking and you know to your face because y'all were remarkable people that did crazy crazy crazy things and you have to be saluted for it let's take a picture let's take a picture i got my flower thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs,

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