Drink Champs - Episode 344 “StockX Golf Invitational”

Episode Date: December 9, 2022

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs are hanging out at the StockX Golf Invitational sponsored by D'usse!We chop it up with Nigel Sylvester, Steelo Brim, JR Smith and Ben Baller!Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps   *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreaga   *Check out our Culture Cards NFT project by joining The Culture Cards Discord: 👇* https://discord.gg/theculturecards  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and iHeartRadio. We'll be right back. DJ EFN. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players. You know what I mean? In the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And your number one source for drunk facts. It's Drink Champs motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New Year's Eve. It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfuckers. Drink up, motherfuckers. Let me tell you how proud I am of you. Right.

You got a Nike deal. Right. Jordan deal. Jordan deal. Jordan deal. And a Moet deal. That's crazy. Yo, make some noise.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Right. You got more. So, describe to people who's living under a rock. Right. What exactly is you do? We are legendary. We already said you from Queens.

We're doing the behind the scenes. It's not behind the scenes. Okay. But just describe to people what's going on in your life. Man, so I'm a professional BMX athlete. BMX athlete. Right.

I ride bikes. I'm jumping over everything. Mandolin, popping willies, all of those things, bro. Right. And I took that from just a love and a hobby and turned it into a career. Wow. I've been pro for 15 years, man.

Wow. When did you start riding? I started riding when I was about four years old. Wow. But I started taking BMX serious around like 12 years old. Wow. And I turned pro at 18. So how does a person turn pro?

Like for people that's sitting around riding a bike right now and just having fun. Right. How does a person that's doing that say, yo, you know what? I can make money off of it and I can be doing what Nigel's doing. Right. So there's two different ways to go about it. You can ride in like traditional contests, compete and whatnot. Or you can just be doing your thing outside like video.

Like social media now plays a huge role into it and um you'll find different companies or companies will find you to have a chit chat you know and if you're worthy if it's right if it's an opportunity to make sense right it's on you up right so then how does how does one not only get um a bmx uh lifestyle but then you got um hey let's talk about uh. Don't embarrass me on this. We out here golfing right now. Hold on, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just came off the nine hole, man.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. We golfing out here with the sand, baby. How about that? How about that? You a golfer, too? No, I came out here for the vibes. Okay.

Same with us. Same with us. Yeah, yeah. I came for the vibes, man. I came for the vibes. So how does a person even, go How does A person Even like You know Like you said

You say You got Jordan Jordan Right You know I remember Jordan's Like first athlete He ever endorsed

Was Derek Jeter Right So He's endorsing you Like how the hell is that I got all my Jordans right now Like you know what I'm saying I see you

How is that Hold on I got my gold cup too Shout out to know what I'm saying? How is that? Hold on, I got my gold cup too. Shout out to Mario too, man. I'm keeping it clean. I see what's going on. I had a little bit of y'all got to say, wait a minute. Let me get my life together. I took it off.

I took it off. I had to get my life together. Real quick, that's the main way to generate revenue if you're a bike rider, if you're a skater, a surfer. Endorsement deals, right? Right, endorsement deals. Unless you create your own brand. You create your own brand. You compete in contests. Especially nowadays, man, with social media, there's so many different ways to go about it.

It's really like the Wild Wild West in a sense. You can make it your own. This is what I've been doing my entire career. How did you get the call, when Jordan called? What did they say? So, listen. So, when I turned pro, right?

Mm-hmm. I turned pro at 18, and I got signed to Dave Mirro. So, for those of you who don't know who Dave Mirro is, Dave Mirro is, like, the Jordan of BMX. You know what I mean? Like, he's the godfather. He's the biggest BMX rider of all time, in my opinion. God rest his soul, you know what I mean? That's his soul.

Right, that's his soul and all that. So he signed me when I was 18, and I got signed to Nike a couple months later. So when I turned pro, it was in a very precedent way, right? It was like, damn, you signed to Miracle Bikes, and you signed to Nike. So I've been on Nike for a very long time. I've been on both recently. I switched from Nike to Jordan brand. About a year ago.

So it's been amazing to go cross category in a brand like that. You know what I mean? You're doing NBA shit, nigga. Right. I'm a little solid for NBA shit. Do you feel that representation has changed from black and brown in this space? Because before, back in the days, you look back, it wasn't there. 100%. 100%.

Because you got so many kids from the hood now. Because looking at it, like, okay, I can do this now, too. Right. You feel me? Like, even Pharrell. Like, you know, I'm so glad that I'm affiliated with Pharrell. But even back then, like, he was presenting, was presenting the skateboard, the BMX type of thing and people were

ignoring him back then. No, it wasn't cool, but that's because I think there was a lack of representation. I was a skater. Mark Gonzalez was the only skater that was Latino that I was like, yo, he's doing it. There was only one or two maybe. It was a handful, right? See, but nowadays with social media now, everyone has access to it.

There's way more skate parks everywhere. Like, people can put their content out, and they're not confined to having to wait for the big brand to come find you. Right. You know what I mean? Like, now it's like, okay, I'm going to put my content out, and I'm going to make it mine, and I can create my merch. Exactly. That's what I need to do now. Right.

It's different. Right. You know what I mean? It's a beautiful thing, man, to see. And then, like, not only only that i was just so proud because it's like coming from queens two of our biggest brands that is so um weighed on us and so heavy on us uh is nike and then it's moette like you know the drug dealers like you know they always have moette and i looked and i was you know i always see i follow you obviously appreciate um and i support you i'm good to see you a lot but

I'm sitting back and I'm like this I said this guy really is living the dream of a green's kid if when you have you have a nike slash jordan deal uh that's dope and a moed deal like and you you're doing what you actually love to do right I'm mad proud I'll be honest man I'll be honest I'll be rooting for you I'm like go ahead you know what I'm saying and be honest, man. I'm going to be honest. I mean, I'm like, go ahead, bro. You know what I'm saying? I mean, see, and you still be driving. You still be crazy shit with you. You still go to the city.

You still, like, hit the parks. You still do the tricks. But my thing is, I be sitting there, like, I be thinking, like, you're going to get hurt. Like, I'm like, yo, so why do you still do that? Is that something you have to do to keep your skills sharp? I mean, yeah, like, I still love riding my bicycle at the end of the day. Like, this is what got me here. Like, I was out riding yesterday. I was in front of the FTX Arena.

Oh, wow. Look at my shin right now. Oh, God bless. God bless. I was out there getting busy yesterday. So wherever I'm at, like, my bike is usually with me. Also, to your point, right, like, when you said, like, the whole Nike thing and, like, the Moet thing, I remember, like, being a kid in the hood, like, growing up in Laurelton and, like, pulling to the stoop.

And, like, the older heads was out there following Moet, chilling. Yeah. Fresh, like, fresh Nike fit on. You know what I mean? So I'm just following tradition in a sense. You feel me? Like, that's what it is to me. You know what's crazy?

Moet is so much of a Queens thing. I feel like that was a part of the outfit. Like, I swear to God. Like, yeah. I swear a Queens thing I feel like that was a part of the outfit and you know I can say that now that's because Jay is doing business with Moet I'm an ace guy you know what I mean but yeah like Moet was really like it's really like even to now like yesterday I was drinking Moet right Mr. Mr. Lee? And it really, like, I promise you, I hate to sound like an alcoholic, but it tastes like regular Kool-Aid. You know how it tastes? You're so used to it?

I was so used to it that it's, like, it's going right back to drinking Kool-Aid. But how is that, like, you know what I'm saying? Nah, it's wild. It's wild, man. Like, it's crazy, right? So, I think it was June of this year, I went out to Paris for Fashion Week. I was just about to bring up fashion. I seen you out there.

Yeah, I was out there doing that. And Moet invited me to the Chateau out in Epernay. And that was the vibe because they brought me to, like, the cellars. You have to see the process of how they bottle, how they store, how they age the Moet. You know what I mean? And then you had this amazing like Chateau with like 10 bedrooms, marble everywhere, and chandeliers, like wow.

So you had this entire experience, which is so crazy, man. So just again, to think about it, like being a kid riding around my hood, watching like the older cats and the hustlers, like pop Moet or be in a club, whatever the case is, get to work with a brand like that, and now, I'm in France,

like, actually bombing with that brand and building, it's an incredible opportunity, you know what I mean? Yes. And your passion got you there, you didn't have to do something else

to get to that. Bike riding, you feel me? Yeah. It's crazy. Yes. Yeah, come on,

come on, sit him down, sit him down, come on, come on, come on, let's do it, let's do it.

Cover boy. I hate to, I do it. I hate to immediately ask both of y'all this question. What's up? But it's a hot topic right now. Okay. And people are saying that two of our gods in hip hop. Oh, come on now. Are not relevant. That's crazy. I think the word relevance is being

used in the wrong way to be honest. I can answer that very easily, but I want to start with you being you walked in. They're saying that. I don't know. I mean, I kind of understood what Boosie was trying to say. You already know my way.

It's not that you can't. The word Jay-Z and relevance is going to always be, you already know why I win. It's not that, you can't, the word Jay-Z and relevance is going to always be, you know, to me, hand in hand. So he's definitely relevant because of what he does

for the culture where he constantly moves. But for me, Nas is definitely, Nas on the charts. Right. He doing this nonstop too. He just won a Grammy.

Exactly. So both of them definitely relevant to me. Right. Now you be, come on. Right. I mean, listen,

we sitting here drinking Ace of Spades, right? is one of the biggest shows in the world right now you know what i mean so we're here doing that here right and then nasa's queens man so like i mean come on he's dropping albums dropping albums, dropping music. How could we sit here and say he's not? See, I'll answer the question like this, right? In different people's worlds, relevance, like, listen. Right now, I can go to a Jamaican concert, right? And there might be 30,000 people saying that. Nor is not relevant, right? Because I'm not saying

hey I have blood clot but what I'm trying to say is, they would say, if I was to drop my old music, they'd say that's not relevant right now, right? So they're right. They're right, right? So, but then in my world, maybe this reggae artist,

this old school reggae artist that is still relevant in their field, it's not what I used to listen to in my school hooky parties it's not what I'm listening to now so

the word relevant is only relevant to people who find relevant relevant yeah it's very specific it's very specific like some people were making that

conversation about music specific okay you could have that specific to generational like youth versus this you know what I'm saying

but relevance come on we gotta redefine it right now. Like right now, some people say Britney Spears not relevant. I say if Britney Spears come on Drink Champs, we're going to kill that. Yeah, we got it. You know what I'm saying? We're going to kill that.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? We're going to kill that, man. You know what it is for me? I think, too, it's about exposure, man. Like everyone, I feel like nowadays, because you can follow who you want to follow on social media, like your world's very finite to what you find important. You know what I mean?

What you find important doesn't mean that something else is not important. So, I think it's all based down to that. And, you know, Boosie's my friend, but it's like, if you was to find

the young kid in Queens right now, just a random young kid in Queens, and you would say, is Boosie relevant? I bet you that kid in Queens would not say he is, right? Because that kid in Queens is listening to whoever is

hot at that moment. And maybe... And Boosie might agree with you, though. You know, I will never come at Boosie, but... And that's just really what it is, man. It's just like... You know, I think it also is Boosie made that statement and he was like,

where he is. His circuit that he's doing as well, the clubs that he's performing at are very specific so and it's his circuit yeah so he's like oh you're not relevant there i would never be relevant there honestly my style of music you know hip-hop whatever it wouldn't play necessarily in those venues anyway so of course you would believe i'm not relevant because we don't play necessarily at the same venue as well. Well, to me, they're both relevant. To me, I still look up to them, what they did as far as business, as far as music, as far as artistry.

I always look up to them. But I will never deny the fact that Boosie is his own version of Jay-Z. I will never defy the fact that Boosie is his own version of Jay-Z. I will never defy the fact that Boosie is his own version. No, no, Boosie also talks about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We relevant over here, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's like, there's no old men don't know what they're talking about. Boosie said it was yesterday. 21 started the party. 21 started the party. But the fact he was on that is important. But that's not the point that we're talking about. Everything is very finite. Like you said, everything is very detailed to what you're watching, what you're looking at.

Truthfully, relevancy is irrelevant to me and to you. Because the fact that you could be... I know artists that... Remember when the SoundCloud shit was popping? And there was artists that had millions and millions of followers. They're doing festivals. You ask the average head, like hip-hop head, let's say. You ask him, yo, you know this artist?

Never heard of him. But this artist here is making millions of dollars. They got millions of followers. They doing festivals. That's the world we live in now. It's like in my world, Big Daddy K will never be irrelevant. In my world. The world that I live in, Big Daddy K will never be irrelevant. But to my son, my son probably doesn't even know who Big Daddy K is.

You know what I'm saying? But even more importantly, to your son, you'll never be irrelevant. Like, to our, that's what I'm saying. All that is irrelevant. You know what I'm saying? Because to somebody, you're relevant. You know what I'm saying? Yo, man, there's a lot of good watches out here, man.

I'm just looking around. I judge motherfuckers by their watch. I'm like, you know, I judge your ass. Damn, man. You can judge me for a long time. For years. For years. You know what's crazy?

I was with Pharrell yesterday, and I was like, yo, and he was like, yeah, now you want to wear Richard Mills. That was about 10 years ago. I was laughing at Pharrell. I was like, this is bullshit. Swat, swat. Oh, shit. I had no idea what I was making fun of.

Yo, B-O was the head of the company. He was always the head in the future, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, what's going on, guys? What's going on? They trying to make us do the pop-ups. Let's go, man. Come on.

Come on. What, you calling us a moonlight? You calling it a moonlight? No, we coming to the moon. Come on. Make the cool, man. Come on. Yeah!

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with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You already know, man wherever you get your podcasts. But I got to ask about this famous play. It's this famous play. Everyone thought you were high. You know what play I was talking about? Yeah, I know exactly what play you're talking about. Why you high? I got to ask. No, I wasn't.

Why did they think that, though? No, he was locked in. He was locked in. It's part of the moment. Right. The ambitions was there. The passion was there. You wanted it.

So you're saying that means you look high? No, no. Everyone blames it on Hennessy, and they blame it on we. It had nothing to do with Hennessy or we. Nothing to do with Hennessy or we. Okay, explain this play. Tell us. So what happened was, normally in this situation for us,

if the game is close, you get an offensive rebound, that means we get a second chance. We're going to call a timeout, organize something, get the ball back in Brian's hands. So in this case, we got the ball. I brought it back out. I'm waiting for somebody

to call a timeout or something. So nobody did nothing. So I'm like, all right, bet. We in a good situation. I'm going to bring the ball back out. Turns out we wasn't. We wasn't in a good situation.

But it is what it is. I mean, I take that, I take that for, if that's what it was, what caused us to lose the series, all right. I mean, they only had

KD, Stephane, Klay, and Draylon. All right. Do you miss playing ball? Yeah, of course.

That's my, that's my first love. Yeah, that's my passion, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. A hundred percent.

Coming from, coming from Newark, coming from Jersey, that upbringing and getting to the big league and then moving on to college after your career, how important was that to you? I mean, honestly, I thought about it a lot, like my early years coming into the league. I was like, I'm always going to go back and get my degree and whatever, whatever. Yeah, that was five. You know what I mean? After year six, seven.

You just went straight from high school. Yeah, straight from high school. Wow. So for me, after like year six, seven, eight, nine, ten, I'm like, oh, that shit did. I ain't going back to school. I'm done. You know what I mean? Even my mom was like, boy, don't even worry about it.

I ain't tripping on that degree. So then after my career and after shit started getting slow as a hooper, I was trying to figure it out. My man Ray Allen hooked me up with some real knowledge of self and being more self-aware. And after that, it was just over. I just. You did it for yourself. Yeah, for sure.

And it worked. That was so dope, man. I mean, that was so dope because so many of our youngsters, they think that that is the end-all, be-all. Like, you become a rapper or you get in the NBA. Yeah. So then our goals are so limited. Like, what you did was so honorable.

Like, I always wish I had your number to just call you and say how proud we were as a community because you made it to where you made it. You had your rings already and then you went to college. That was like, that was like, just like so honorable. Like, like, let's just make some noise for that. Yeah. Appreciate that.

Was that unexpected? I was never too late. And like the biggest thing for me, like growing up, I never, like I was, I was always an athlete. Like it was all to me making it out was always basketball, football, baseball, something like that. So that was my outlet. When I catered to that so much, I didn't learn how to do everything else. People get on me about it, but I've never changed a tire on a car. I've had money since I was 17.

So by the time I got my first car- You got a clean hand. Yeah. I don't know since I was 17, so by the time I got my first car, you got a clean hand. Yeah, like, I ain't, I don't know how to, that's real shit, that's real. Like, I call my mother when it's time to, like, wash my clothes,

I got to call my mom. Like, I ain't, I have, so I paid somebody since I was 17, 18 to wash my shit. I don't know. Right, right, yeah. Dude, so, like,

little shit like that, like, trade, like, trades, when we, they took trades out of the community, and, like, we really, they took trades out of the community. I feel like, especially the black and brown community is where we really lack that. Absolutely. Because we can't stop working with our hands. We stop being carpenters.

We stop being construction workers. We stop being so many things that just is a necessity through life, opposed to just clicking and making it seem like anything is easy. And it builds confidence to know these things. It doesn't mean you don't use them all the time. No. It's a confidence builder for a person. For sure.

For sure. What's your favorite team you ever played for? Good question. Favorite team? There's no pressure. There's no play right now. No pressure. You good?

No, NCAAs, man. Okay, all right. We need to break that barrier, actually, though. All right, yeah. Yes, sir. But, um... NCAAs, man. We need to break that barrier, actually, though. Yes, sir. NCAAs. Yeah. Favorite team, though.

My favorite team was my Cleveland team, the chip team. We was thick as thieves. And Kyrie was on that team as well, right? Yeah. You, Kyrie, LeBron. Me, Ky, Bron, Kev, Shannon, RJ, Shunk. I mean, we had a crew. It was, Tristan, we missed that team, man.

Just the bond we had as a team was crazy. Like, I've been on good teams, but I've been on some teams that we, quote, unquote, was tight-knit. But, like, every time we moved around, it was always 13, 14, 15 people. And, you know, for us, that was saying something. Because you always catch teams. People click up. You see two people here. You see three there. You see one there.

You see two there. But for us, when you've seen one of us nine times out of ten, 14 other people was about to hit that corner. You know what I'm saying? So that was powerful for me. But my obviously playing in Jersey was like, or playing and sitting in New York at the Garden was crazy. Being from Jersey, my pops was a Knicks fan.

I grew up a Bulls fan, but when I had an opportunity to come go to New York, I was like, oh, yeah, I got to do that. Absolutely. Yeah. That's hard. Oh, man. That's hard. That's hard.

I'll tell you the number. Paul, you already gave him your Jersey spiel, right? No, I told them I'm going to say it when we were eating dinner and lunch. I had to, but because- Well, tell them on air, goddammit. No, as a Jersey, we always get the love as far as hip hop and life and New York and West Coast. And the vibe is always alive and Jersey always feel like we got to fight for it. Right.

You know, we don't get the props as far as so many people have said. But as far as anybody that I see, you see, I introduce myself and just make it right. But as far as an athlete, coming out of high school and touching back to hip hop, what was your music? What was your influence? Your soundtrack of- How did you get going with who you are and what you are? Man, I'll never forget it.

My coming out party was my sophomore year. I was playing football at the time. And they put... What year is this? This is 2002. Two? Two. No, 2001. That Flesh of My Flesh. Woo!

The amount of... X. No, X. DMX, DMX. The anthem and all that coming through. Bro, when you came through the tunnel in high school, that was crazy. We thought we was the Bulls when you heard that. That's what, to us, you know what I mean? You thought we was going to have a whole fight and it was obviously just a basketball game or just a football game. But, like, coming up, it was, for me, it was always X.

That was, like, the first CD I ever bought. DMX was the first one. The whole team was on the same box? Yeah, we was, so we had a, in Jersey, well, Central Jersey, I call it, we got different, like, people from different sides of the tracks or whatever. So we had this crew called the Red Jive crew.

They thought they was, like, the rock, and we had this crew called the Red Jive crew. They thought they was like the rock, and we had another crew that was like D-Block. You know what I mean? We had some young cats, named after young, you know what I mean? We was just young kids wilding out, but that's how it was. And we was really,

I mean, we really loved the music more than anything. Nas, obviously, Nori, man, y'all was like gods to us. So when I see y'all, I mean, I pay homage to y'all because y'all made me come up. That's what I mean. That was the motivation. But what was the worst team you ever played for?

Oh, man, New Orleans, my first year. The Warriors? New Orleans. Pelicans. We won 18 games, my frickin' year. Was that the Hornets at the time? Yeah, the next year we drafted CP. First year was 2004.

We played out. We won 18 games. We get the lottery pick. Hurricane Katrina happened. We moved to Oklahoma. We draft CP. CP come, ball out, rookie of the year. Next year, after that, my third year coming in, I get traded to Denver.

I got traded to Chicago for a cup of coffee. Then they sent me to Denver. I went to Denver, me and Mello started rocking out that first year. That's when we got into that fight in New York. We traded for AI. And I sent a court when Mello was everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel playing with A.I.? Oh, man, I loved it. I mean, you play with a lot of people. There's a lot of experience that you have under your belt

outside of your own talent. But how is that chemistry? LeBron got to be your favorite, though. How is that chemistry? Huh? LeBron got to be your favorite. To play with? Yeah.

J.Kid. Woo! Jason Kidd? Yeah. Because, like, LeBron, it's different, man. And I don't mean there's no disrespect to Bron obviously but like J. Kidd was a point guard. You know what I'm saying? Like J. Kidd, he dissing. J. Kidd literally trying to get 20 assists. He ain't trying to score nothing.

For me, he changed my mentality immediately because he told me like, listen, if you are in better shape than everybody else on this team, I'm going to get you at least six to eight points a game. And I was just like, he was like, now listen, it may not seem like a lot, but you get six to eight points just from me a game, that's not on top of two or three. Your own hustle. Your own hustle. We're going to run some plays for you.

You're going to get to the free throw line. And I was just like, damn, like really broke the game down for me like that's what i was just like okay oh and this is how i this is how i go about running a second unit or whatever else you know what i'm saying he really taught me the game so for me he was probably one of my favorites and if you could do anything over what would you do or nothing if I could do anything over honestly if I could do anything over that fight in New York yeah me and melligan said I fight in New York with Nate and I don't even know the dude's name no more.

Nate. Shit got real. Nah, for real. That's crazy. All right. But I feel like because at that time, me and Mello was one of the highest two scoring duos in the league. What league y'all, what team y'all was playing?

Denver. Oh, Denver. Yeah, we was in the Westerns. So Mello was averaging like 35 or something like that. He was going to higher scoring. And he didn't make the playoffs. What was the B4? Oh, Isaiah Thomas.

He just got mad because we was running the score up. And he ain't like George Cross. So they had a whole intertwined beef. And we as players got caught up into some bullshit that we had nothing to do with. So, but that's just the way this shit go. Because, like I said, me and Mello was one of the highest scoring duos in the league at the time. So, for me, that's perfect timing for me. Contract year is about to come up.

We talking longevity. All right, we paying duos up. That plays a major part. We trade for AI. I go to the bench. Shit play out different. But, I mean But I don't look back at it as a regret. It's just like, if I could take something away, then I would

take that away because for one, that shit cost me a shit ton of money immediately, but just my whole image went down after that. People just started looking at me like, oh, he's a real thug or like that. You know what I'm saying? I remember that time. You know what I mean? Sticking up for your team, man. You know what I'm saying? Nowadays, that like people just started looking at me like oh he's a real thug nowadays it's cool for stick up for your teammate but then it's like oh okay you doing too much or the Senate Thursday I bet yeah that's just crazy um one of the things that I remember the most about you after career-wise, I mean, not to take nothing away from what you've done,

is when you made a comment about spending 30 grand in a street club instead of helping somebody with a scholarship or doing something to the community. I like to touch base on community outside of athletes and your goals. So how was that important for you to get to that point where you said, you know what? I can do better. And I'm available, so I can do better.

Right. I mean, that's, for me, because I've been on a different program, right? Since walking out of high school, like, I was just gifted fame, money, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But the community supported you anyway. saying but the community support you anyway right the community supported me anyway but for me it wasn't even it wasn't about the community

it was more i was so focused on me and what i had going on it wasn't even i wasn't because you were so young and it was all happening so fast yeah that and it wasn't like yeah and that it wasn't like we had people i didn't have people to like to look up to to be like, oh, okay, bet. This is how you go about doing the X, Y, and Z. Being a professional, doing it a certain type of way. We was in a funky era between throwback jerseys, being rebellious towards the league and shit like that. So it was like my idols was bad boys in a sense. You know what I'm saying?

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You ain't going, you know what I mean? I'm not going to sit here and say X, Y, and Z just for a check. No, absolutely. I'm a product of your environment. Yeah, 100%. Do you say missing college was a bad thing? Like, did it help you mature? Growing into that part of the culture

with being rebellious i would say yes and no but it's all in the it's all dependent on the right situation you know what i'm saying like everybody don't have the same experiences when they go to college some people just even get even more baby than catered to even even, you know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. So honestly, depending on the situation, I think it'll mold you any kind of way. But for me, I'm glad I did what I did because I got to learn it ASAP. Like, I got to do what I wanted to do anyway faster, you know what I'm saying? Like, my boys went to school. They went to school. They went to school three, four years, played in the league two, three years, three, four years, and then out the league.

Like, bro, I've been in the league this whole time and played another five, six. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't have to go through no bullshit. There's some coach talking about, oh, because you ain't make the run around the track in a certain amount of time. Oh, you're not going to play this or that or playing some weird games and shit. Like, I ain't got time for that. Like, college coaches, for one, they got too much power. You know what I'm saying?

And I feel like for me. You said college coaches? Yeah, for sure, bro, because they control everything. Like, now that these dudes starting to get bread, now it's going to be a little different because they throwing, like, you got some weight to throw on. They starting to play college players now. Right, that's what I'm saying. The players are starting to get bread, now it's going to be a little different. Because they throwing, like, you got some weight to throw on. They starting to pay college players now. Right, that's what I'm saying. The players are starting to get bread, right?

The NIL. Yeah, you got to think, like, if I'm a quarterback at Alabama and I'm getting three mil off of some NIL shit, like, I got to bring some more say around this shit, Nick Saban. Like, don't give me no disrespect. You are who you are, but you're not just about to be talking to me and treat me any kind of way now. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's the gatekeeper to get to that point.

Right. They really look like they're the gatekeeper. They treat players like that. They can stop your career before it starts. Yeah, 100%. I've been in Louisville, and I've seen Patino talk to some of these people crazy. You know what I'm saying? And he's a great coach.

Don't get me wrong. But I've seen people talk to people crazy, bro. But he got in trouble, and he navigated his way out of that. Right back, yeah, I mean. But anyway, outside of that, so being that you're now, would you go back to the big three? Would you still stay active in the sports sense, or how do you feel about your own being? For me personally, I wouldn't play in the big three. No, you're good.

Shaq said the same thing. Why? Just because it's not the same as what I'm accustomed to. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm a five-on-five dude. Like, I'm full court. Like, I'm a three-on-three, you know? That's like a workout for me.

We do that to, like, stay in shape and stuff like that. So, for me, it's just not as appealing as what I'm accustomed to. Other than my last year, what, five years? Five years. Four years, I've been in, I played in the finals. Well, six out of the five years of my last year of my career was in the finals. You know what I'm saying? Some hard shit to say.

No, for real. And it's facts. No, it's facts. It's funny because, and I seen Draymond say this the other day on one of his shows, like, it's hard to, like, people's getting after him because it was, like, hard for him to get up for certain games. well bro you four and 60 something and you just came from five straight finals it's hard to get up for a game you know what i'm saying let alone you already getting paid x y and z like that shit it's hard to keep that thirst and whatever but yeah man like

that i love the game and i love to play but for me i get more joy out of it just going to the i mean going to the wreck and go running yeah that, but for me, I get more joy out of it just going to the, I mean, going to the rec and going. And running. Yeah. That's your own preference. Yeah, pick up. Like, I, because then at that point, I could be me. Like, I ain't, I'm not going into the situation where, like, listen, man, you shoot corner threes.

Right, right. Like, I mean, he get 30, give him the ball. Like, listen, bro, I ain't here for that. I'm 37 years old, bro. If i would go so this is the rumor that everybody in the nba burns but but is it true or is it not i'm sure not everybody everybody. Yeah, I mean, it's like anything else. Everybody don't do it, because like, some people, it's just not good for some people. You know what I'm saying? Like, some people, like, alcohol just not good for them.

You know what I mean? Some people just can't do either one. You know what I mean? So, but a lot of, I mean, a lot of us do, for sure. Because a lot of, for one, a lot of us come from that community. You know what I'm saying? People don't realize when you sit there and say, oh, a lot of the NBA players smoke.

Yeah, a lot of us black too. A lot of us, we come from, you know what I mean? That's our culture. You know what I'm saying? And that don't make us wrong or indifferent, but that's just what we do. Right. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't affect the game.

Right. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't affect the game. Right. And the bubble, which is crazy to me because they said, oh, the numbers were so amazing. This, that, and the third. All right, cool, but y'all was letting everybody smoke. That's true. You know what I'm saying? Because y'all made it so crazy for us. During my career, it was the worst thing ever. Oh, if you would have been caught with bubble.

Yeah, I got suspended five games for that shit. You know what I'm saying? As far as a moral perception or just being professional? Like smoking weed and just being like, oh, you fired me. No, I got, I failed some drugs. I got a drug test. Yeah. So I was in a program for a while.

And I kept, like, I was failing drug tests. Like, I wasn't, like, bro, people don't realize, like, when you got talent, first of all, like, for me, it's hard for me because I understand the God-given ability that I got. From where you're from. Not only from where I'm from, but just in my being. Like, I'm a subprime, but I'm from, but just in my being. Like, I'm a sub-principal. I'm very gifted. Like, I hate to say it, but I can go out here and play, damn near scratch golf, go play ball and go bowl and damn near roll a 300.

Like, I'm very gifted at this. I can't do none of that shit. Yeah, so, like, when people, like, try to underplay, like, make it seem like you don't know your talent. No, I know my talent. You scared of my talent because you keep limiting me in all facets of what I can do. You just trying to keep throwing me in this box. Okay, you this.

No, I can do this, this, this, this, and that. I'm 6'6". I'm 6'6". I'm one of the most athletic. I can handle the ball. I can shoot. I play defense. You can't sit here and tell me as a basketball player archetype you want to make somebody like me.

Yeah. So other people just try to limit like, oh, nah, you didn't play to your abilities. You didn't do this. You didn't do that. You didn't do that. Listen, I did everything I could do within the restrictions that they gave me. You won the six-man award? That's it.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. you won the six man award? that's it yeah yeah absolutely absolutely that's that itself is also an achievement for being in the league and in the league players and there's only a lot of players

in a certain amount of teams coming off the bench playing that role being the leader being a mentor and a student and winning yeah

and I got suspended a lot of games too people don't even realize that shit like you got suspended like and it's fucked up because I don't I don't like to glorify it as something I'm proud of, but it's like I was standing up for what I believed in. I'm not going to sit here and let you

just treat me any kind of way, whether it be coach, player, GM, we going to talk. You like it or you don't, but you going to respect the fact that I had to say what I had to say. You're not just going to get it off on me like that. Right. Were you one of those people that the teams turned to or the coaches turned to to speak on that statement, on that vibe? Or were you just outspoken? I was more outspoken.

We had other dudes in there for that because when it got to me, it wasn't really that good. Too late. Yeah, it wasn't really that good. Too late. Yeah, it was too late. Like it wasn't as healthy for me because I didn't really know how to communicate my frustrations at times.

You know what I'm saying? That goes back to what I was saying. So missing the college part and going straight from high school as a young man and maturing. You think that's the gap to be able to articulate? How do you feel that space was? No, I don't even see, I don't think it's that space

because again, I've seen multiple dudes go I don't think it's that space because, again, I've seen multiple dudes go to college and still haven't developed that. It's just, I think it's more development as, I think we as the culture got to do a better job developing that in one another. You know what I'm saying? As a vet, my job is to make sure whoever following me don't do none of the dumb shit that I did and put them in a better position than what I had. You know what I'm saying? That's just what a vet is supposed to do.

Now, if I can't do that, if I didn't do that, then I failed. That's just no ifs, ands, or points about it. You know what I'm saying? So when I see my young boys out here going to get a bag, I'm proud because I know I did something right. I put him on the right direction. He's like, all right, bet. You know what I'm saying? Whenever he see me, he know for sure, he like, yo, good looking, bro. You know what I'm saying? I don't never want to be in a position where somebody, one of my men see me and they in the worst position, be like, damn, fuck it with this nigga. Nah, ain't never going to be the case.

You seen the latest documentary? I seen bits and pieces of it. I ain't never going to be the case. You seen the latest documentary? I seen bits and pieces of it. I ain't really... You ever thought about coaching? I'm more player development. I'm not like... Individual player development? Yeah.

I like helping players get better at their craft. Like all of that X's and O's. Because once you get into that, then it's like, it's so much political pieces to the game. You gotta, okay, this person gotta play 35 minutes. This person gotta play this time. You gotta do like, it's more like- As a player, you don't think you can manage that?

Nah, because- They just say he don't really like it. Because it's not coming from the coach. It's not giving you a strategic... It's the political part of it that you're not feeling. It's somebody from the upper box like, yo, nah, he got to play. It's not just the game.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Oh, damn. Is that early in the career or late in the career? No, that's just coaching and coaching period. In general, right. Like, that's just... When I was with the Knicks, right, this is after me winning six-man,

and they wanted me to, like, because I would always work out by myself, me and my trainer. Yeah, even when I was with the Knicks, I would always work out by myself because for so long, even when I was in New Orleans, when I was in Denver, when I got to the Knicks, all the coaches were always like, why is he doing this? Why is he doing that? And why is he doing, like, for me, I'll practice the shots that I shoot.

So for. The rumor was you was a thug. That's the rumor. Yeah. And for me, like, once you start, like, really believing that shit and I see you believe it, I'm starting to distance myself from you. Because now it's like you're not even giving me the opportunity or the benefit of the doubt to be me. So you know what? I'm just nipping in the butt. So I ain't got to worry about trusting you because I already don't.

So I ain't got to, you know what I mean? So I just alleviate myself from the whole situation. But when I was there, again, why are you doing this? Why is he doing that? Why is he doing this? So I was like, all right, bet. I won there, again, why are you doing this? Why is he doing that? Why is he doing this? So I was like, all right, bet. I won six, man. They're like, oh, no, you got to be around more.

Again, like the young guys, this and that. We want to see your face more, whatever. So get back into it. And it's like, oh, why are you doing this? And I'm like, bro, what you want me here for? You asked me to come around. So when I come around, now you want to ask me why am I doing certain things. Don't ask me that.

When you see the finished product, when we step on the floor, you see 18.5 and 4, don't worry about how it got there. Just know that it's going to get there. So is it fair to say that you did it all alone? Did you have any vets? In Amari's start on my episode, Nori brought up that having vets is important in a young man's career. Yeah. So how do you feel? Like, who was your vets and get you to that point that you just said, doing the 18, 5, and 4? That's when I had J. Kid.

J. Kid. When I had J. Kid, she, when I got to New York, that was like my first. When you say she, you're saying Rasheed Wallace. Rasheed Wallace. That's like. Rasheed Wallace. Nah, that's like. That's big bro.

Yeah. Like, for real. She, J-Kid, Kirk Thomas, Marcus Camby. Marcus Camby from Syracuse? Yeah. Yeah. Not Syracuse. UMass. UMass. Yeah. Andre Miller in Denver.

I had Chauncey for a minute. But at that time, for me, it was hard because at times I said I had bad vets. It's not that I had bad vets, I had vets who didn't know how to translate what I was going through to get to me you know what I'm saying, like sometimes they was telling me shit and it was just like

they couldn't make it relatable? Yeah, they couldn't really make it relatable, they was so old school and I mean, like when I'm coming I'm 17, 18 years old getting drafted my vets is 36, 37 years old you know what I'm saying, I'm 17, 18 years old getting drafted. My vets is 36, 37 years old. You know what I'm saying? Like, they got kids damn near my age.

You know what I mean? So it was like, it was drastic for me. I felt that way. You know what I mean? And then I wasn't playing. Like, I had a Byron Scott who coming from a Pat Riley coaching type style, like, who already don't like young players, all that shit. And so I didn't play, like, the first half of the season of my rookie year.

So I'm like, shit, I should have went to school. Like, what? Okay. You had that thought. No, no, I definitely had that thought. It's important for people to say you ain't just jumped because you had an opportunity. Like, you actually said, I could have gone to school. I could have made it.

No, for sure, because my team, if I'd have went to school, they won a national championship. Carolina won a chip already. So they just add me. We just blow everybody out even more by 25, 30. So it wasn't even—that's the way I look at it anyway. I agree. But, I mean, shit is wild, man. I'm just happy to be here, man.

Damn. Absolutely, man. I'm happy to, I'm just happy to be here, man. Damn. Absolutely, man. So, did you see what LeBron said this morning about Kyrie? Yeah. I, I'm- Was this morning? No, I believe it was yesterday. Yesterday, last weekend.

Yesterday. I think that makes LeBron one of the most prolific athletes, right? Because, I'm going to tell you this, Muhammad Ali was cautious of what he was saying, and he actually did it. LeBron is at the level where he don't have to even say nothing. Do you agree? What do you think?

He don't have to say nothing? No, he got to. I mean, for us, he is saying something, and that's beautiful. What did he say? He just was like, yo, look at this Jerry Jones picture. You guys made a whole issue about this Kyrie thing, and Kyrie really didn't really say nothing crazy. All he did was post a link and say, I know who I am.

Meanwhile, Jerry Jones is in a picture with a mob of people not letting black students in. Oh, yes. Yeah, early, early. And a mob of white students not letting a couple of black students in the school. And no one's bringing that up. That's crazy. No, it's not even the fact that they're not bringing it up. They brought it up.

It's just that. They shoved it up. No, we let this slide. Right. Like, that's my only thing. Like, we the only, like, we the most forgiving culture there is. Or are we none to it? We also none to it.

Nothing can happen because Jay Z went on record not to cut you off with the NFL when he said we don't shine we don't shine shoes no more

on the NFL before like three years ago about Cabernet and the whole situation what else can we do you're right and since then

now it's Jerry Jones what else can we do it's there it fell in it fell in oh shit you just let my bottle fall in I'm. It fell in. Oh, shit.

You just let my bottle fall in? What kind of friend are you? How is it his fault? I didn't. You're supposed to stop it. I don't know what the fuck I'm pouring at this point. What the fuck? It's good.

It's our wine. You can eat it. Sure. But. But. It's still good. It's not that. It's not being brought up. It's just that.

Who can push that? We can. Nah, that's fucked up, man. Let's be clear. Have you ever worked for a team that you thought the owner was racist? Yeah. Really? A hundred percent.

I'm scared to ask you. A hundred percent. Hold on. Can I just throw that out there? The one that threw Charles Oakley out? Yeah. Oh, Dola? Dola.

I don't know. Honestly, I don't know if he racist. I think he's just, he's so arrogant and locked up into himself that he just, he don't fuck with nobody. Like he fuck with the people who, you know what I mean? Who fuck like literally he- Person to person. Yeah, but it's almost like he got a, it's a difference.

He fuck with you unless you know it's levels to this shit. Got it. If you know I'm up here and you down here, then you good. And it ain't got no color barrier. It's just that's who he is. Yeah, and it's been all emails. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. He on some classism.

Right, yeah, he's more classism. You know what I'm saying? So you saying the Denver owner? Nah. Nah, that's my man. Yo, Kronky and Now, that's my man. Yo, Cronky and them, that's my man.

I know Tim Connolly. Tim, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, he moved somewhere else. Who do you think was a racist owner? With a fair opinion,

not like you accused. I can't speak on dead people. Right, right. That says a Right, right. That says a lot though. Right. LA? Don Nelson?

No, no, no, no. You said owners, right? Yes, we did. Yes, we did. We're not talking about the Lakers, right? Uh-uh. Okay, all right. Cool.

Yeah, I ain't going to lie. You got to watch that documentary. I want to watch it now. No, that shit is like, it's crazy because... I just said it. I just said it. I just said it. I just said it. I just said it. I just said it. to watch that documentary. I want to watch it now. No, that shit is like, it's crazy because it's just crazy.

It's crazy to see the different generations, the different legacies, the different. And I didn't realize because, you know, I'm a New Yorker. So me being an L.A. fan, I can't even tell nobody that. I can't even. It's just, I got to. You was in secret? Yeah. It was like I got a cheerlead to myself. You know what I mean?

But then watching this shit, I'm like, wow, it was a real legacy. And, yeah, it's really dope. What's the name of the family? The Lakers family. What's the... Oh, the bus? The bus, the bus family. Yo, we got Ben Baller out here. Come on, let's change the subject. Let's let Ben Baller come in here, goddamn it. Get in there, get in there. Change the Oh, The Bus. The Bus. The Bus family. Yo, we got Ben Baller out here.

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So we connected and we got a TV show dropping in two months about golf, about the culture. You and JR? Yeah. Is it you, just y'all? Me, JR, and Maubon, this tournament. Right, yeah. Okay.

So describe to us, the people that was living under the rock, what is this TV show? We know it's about golf, but how did this come together? You know, golf has been like a traditional game for hundreds of years, and it's been like a game that's kind of been gatekept.

I don't even know if I'll say it, but by folks, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, until Tiger Woods. I'm going to keep it 100. And so, like, I think say it but by white folks you know absolutely till Tiger Woods I'ma keep it 100 and so like I think that

it was real important to see and to be quite honest you know I mean you know my story so coming up I didn't just get it from white people

but I got it from black people too because I was in hip hop I was in sports and whatever but there are a lot of courses even 10 years ago country clubs

they wouldn't let Asians play. You only got to like. Get out of here. So with the game now, we just wanted different perspectives. Him being a pro baller, me being, you know, ex-rec executive to jewelry, Maubon starting something for everyone.

I just felt like if we got three fathers, three people that kind of came from some sort of hip hop culture background and three different perspectives of where we are in the world with golf. I think it'd be interesting. I know it's going to be interesting. What's the name of the show? It's called Par 3. Par 3.

Okay. And I know that's a golf term. But I am golf illiterate. So what is a Par 3? So a course has so many par, basically basically let's say 18 holes here, right? Right. There's going to be, you know, 13, 14 par fours. There's going to be two to four par fives, and there'll probably be two to four par threes.

Par three is going to be a shorter hole. Technically, on an 18 hole, it's going to be somewhere between 110 yards to maybe even up to 210 yards. So it's a shorter distance hole. So that means you've got three shots to make it in. And if you make three shots, that's par three, right? You get par for the course or par for the hole. So par the number is how many shots you get. Right. Yeah.

Okay. That they give you. Right. Par is like the even. Right. If you can shoot par, you're doing really good. No. JR's.

No, I ain't there yet. I'm like a one. Par for the course.. Off the course. Off the course. Now we know. Just come get drunk and just do it. Just come on out. Everybody I know loves golf.

You got to drink chance at a golf tournament. Yeah. But you got to drink the whole par or whatever. That's what I'm saying. You just come out, hit a couple shots, outside, smoke, chill. The environment is good. You can play music if you want. It's chill for me.

I brought my St. Regis cigars. Yeah, see? You look. I brought them. And then Sean Beck has robbed all my Davidoffs. Yeah, he took all my Davidoffs. Hey, I signed up for it. Golf is changing now.

You know what I'm saying? There's more people getting involved. Okay. You know, even like... There are people out there with dreads. I mean, he had dreads. He just cut them off. Yeah, I just cut my shirt off.

Okay. But I mean, Eastside Golf, shout out to Eastside Golf. They got an actual, you know, they a black-owned golf brand. They out there doing Jordan class. Where's this at? They from Atlanta. Atlanta, okay. Yeah.

Boom. How about in LA? Is there a black-owned golf course in LA? I don in LA is there a black only golf course at LA I don't think it's a black on golf course in America maybe how about my bad grow 23 and he has a couple spots here I watch Larry Diego I watch Kirby enthusiasm and incur be enthusiasm they had an Asian golf course in LA. Is that true? There's a couple Asian golf courses here. Here? In Miami?

In Miami, I don't know. You said LA. Larry Davis' coach is my coach, actually. Rondell Barrio. Shout out to Rondell. She's getting real. Cuban. He's Cuban? He's Cuban, B?

Don't tell us that, man. Spanish Cuban. I'm talking about, baby. We're here, Cuban. He's Cuban? He's Cuban B? Don't tell us that, man. He's Spanish Cuban. I'm telling you. That's what I'm talking about, baby. We're here, baby. Cubans are here.

I'm Cuban B. You done turned him up, now. I got you. So, there was a rumor that you made the very first Rockefeller chain. Is that true or no? No, that ain't true you know obviously I made a lot of them um but uh the first one was Manny uh rest in peace Manny from the district not Tito I'm sorry Tito was the first one my bad all right you know I know my shit man you don't think I know come on man I'm fucking you yo Manny

made it uh Tito made the first one uh jacob made a few after and then um chris eyre who i would love to see around because i think they need to be more black jewelers in the game especially in this world especially when you're talking about hip-hop it's weird how um and i don't care because half my family's jewish but it is really a diamond game is controlled mostly by you know by a lot of jewish people and stuff and everything and i don't have an issue but Chris era was literally the biggest jeweler in the world you know saying the Iceman well and he was making all the rose boys joints no and then Dame lost a bet to me so he had to give me his one

or three rolls go a rock chain I have my OG rock chain still obviously whoo but I made a bunch of them and I make the Roc Nation ones too, but yeah. It's real shit right here, man. It's real shit right here, this is real shit. So basically, what I'm leaving from both of y'all is that I gotta start playing golf. For sure. And I could drink, it's not like I stopped playing. Nah, you good.

Drink and smoke. There's a bar. Drink and smoke. You carried a golf course in a- They got a person- Yo, you ain't walk over to the bar, but they got a bar to bring it to you. We have a golf cart girl that dresses nice

and bring the alcohol to you. Yeah. We got to do drink champs on the golf course. Nah, facts. We're here. I'm talking about playing the game. You're right. I was scared. I was scared.

Scarface every year invites me to his tournament where they give us $150,000. There's not $150,000 in money. It's in whatever. It's like the travel and all this crazy shit. I downplay it every year because they say you have to know how to play golf. And I don't. But I'm going to do it. I heard he nice, too.

No, yeah, I heard you. And is that a pleasure for you, like, after you retired? Because, I mean, you spoke about it earlier, about, you know, the thrill of you just walking through, and you saying that golf is one of those pleasures for you? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, what is the allure? Is it a calming thing?

Who the hell put you on the golf? Moses Malone, rest in peace. Yeah, big Moses Malone. Rest in peace. Yeah. Big Moses Malone, man. I was playing at Rashard Lewis' golf hour in Houston. His first foundation event was a golf hour. And I was just riding around, messing with people kind of like this, drinking and smoking and shit, messing with the card girls.

And he was like, how's it going? It's real shit. Yeah, I worried up. He was like, man, young fella, you talking all this shit? Because people are hitting in the woods. They all over this place. I was like, young fella, come hit this ball. You talking all this shit? Come hit this ball. Yeah, word up. He was like, man, young fella, you talking all this shit? Because people hitting in the woods, they all over this place. Young fella, come hit this ball. You talking all this shit? Come hit this ball.

I get up there, he showed me how to hold this shit like, all right, like this. He's like, yeah. I hit that shit 300 yards down the fairway. I was like, man, this shit easy. Dip, talking shit, go back around, drinking, smoking this shit, come back on this group like an hour and a half later. He bet me like 300. Young motherfucker, you can't do it again.

You can't do it again. He telling everybody, I get up there that bitch, come hit the ball. I said, nah, I'm going to get this shit. And I've been hooked there since. So like the Adam Sandler story. He's being humble. Because we got Tiger Woods with our agency. We got the best golfers in the world with our agency, right?

And I play with JR. And I play with some of the best people on earth. I played my first PGA Prime last month. And I've seen the best in the world and I play yesterday This motherfucker hitting the ball just as far as PGA players nice and you played in the PGA I played well that would happen today You get invited to play in a PGA program either you a billionaire and you pay 250k to play Oh, you could pay to play in that. I'm not paying nobody. No, I'm just saying people can. Or you get sponsored and they ask you. And I got invited in Japan.

It was a big honor. Let's go. Ken Chia, I'm not going to lie. You don't trust us. Why you even do your golf course? Just stick in there. Oh, nah, nah, man. That'll be from Newark all the time.

Hey, man. Hey, man. He sees a lot of dudes in here. He's going to be wrecking me. At some point, he's going to hand it to somebody. I was like that when I was a kid, so I was having my bar with me at 8. I ain't mad at him.

That's dope. I'm like, my man don't trust us at all, man. I don't know what kind of drink, relationship, I don't know what kind of, fucking, what's that called? Drink chance reputation we got. You're good over here, brother. Just in case.

Appreciate it, man. And we drinking that motherfucking Ace of Spades. D'Ussé. I'm just glad I'm worthy to drink it, man. Yeah, so. I've been watching. Some people just ain't allowed to drink it, I heard. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, they banned it. Got approved. Got approved. Got approved. Yeah, I got a hate rate. Damn, why study it here, bro? I'm just glad I'm approved, man. Yo, but you ain't finished your D'Ussé.

Did you finish your D'Ussé? Yeah, I finished one of them. No, he drank the straight up. Yeah, come on. Give him some D'Ussé. Come on. We got the lemonade. I need some more, man.

Oh, yeah. Here. And we got the brand new bottle. You know what you're calling me? That's what I'm calling you. Yeah, because I know where the cart was. I have my AirPods and my medicine in there. I was like, hold on.

Oh, man. Now, let me ask you something, Ben Boyla and JR. Are y'all out here for art? For art, Basil? I'm out here for golf, bro. Oh, shit. I'm out here for art, too. One of my friends is a young, oh, he not young, but a black painter, Alonzo Adams.

He made a piece for me. We are Ancestors Wildest Dreams. And and you know, he makes a lot of great pieces make a lot of black art golf pieces as well So I'm coming to see this show see some of this I'm not really sure honestly, I wish I wish I'd be a better promotion for my From Jersey to too, so. Even better. You know what I'm saying? Hold on, don't forget he from Miami, too, bro. I just wanted to put this one out there, bro.

Yeah, he's claiming Jersey. Jersey, 100%. He could only go so far. No, see? He's from Cali. He's from New York. Now, we take Cali, baby. Stop it. Cali amazing. What's wrong with Cali? There's nothing wrong with Cali. No, I was born in LA. I live in LA, too. But Jersey's always fighting.

Yeah, for sure. We always fighting. We always fighting. We always trying to get ours, you know what I mean? But when you said, we are our wildest ancestors, that's one of the greatest slogans, if not movement. How do you feel about that? We are our wildest ancestor dreams.

To me, it means a lot because, like when I think about my grandparents, and I think about the lineage that I was fortunate to come through, I mean, I come from, my grandmother had 11 children. Unfortunately, two passed away, so I got nine aunts and uncles, and my father's the oldest boy. And throughout my siblings, majority of my aunts and uncles, each person has damn near four to five kids. From that four to five kids, throughout that, each individual within that has at least two to three or four kids.

So my cousins' family is crazy. You know what I'm saying? So that's where I come from. So when we do events and shit like that, I actually see it now. I see me having kids. My daughter's just 14, five. So I got two 14-year-olds, five and four. I remember at that point in age, being 14 years old,

seeing my uncles, seeing my dad around my age. You know what I'm saying? So it all started hitting to me when I started thinking about my grandparents. Like, damn, where was they at? What was they doing at this point when they was 35, 36, 37 years old? What was they going through then?

You know what I'm saying? I think about some of the shit that I'm so fortunate to be complaining about now. What was they fighting for just to walk down the street without being spit on or whatever, whatever. You know what I'm saying? I think about that and I think about how fortunate and blessed I am to continuously do shit that matter and mean something to people to where at least my grandparents and people even further than that that's connected to me, a better lineage going forward.

You know what I'm saying? Because we all came from, especially if you black and brown, you came from some type of hell to get to where we at right now. And for them people who sacrificed and fought all the way over, died, whether you came over on the boat or you was already here, you went through that bullshit to be able to still come up to where we at now? Shit, that's a blessing in disguise if anything. What was the name again, the artist?

Alonzo Adams. Shout out to Alonzo Adams. Yeah, my dawg. You know what's great about JR, though? Like, one thing I learned on this plane trip over here, talking to him, because we both sponsor, I'm sponsored by a major golf brand that's worth billions of dollars. The first thing he had mentioned to me about the whole sponsorship, he a huge advocate for putting, he want to put golf in the hood because if you think about it right a

lot of people out there just don't they probably have the the physical athletic ability absolutely just don't have the resources the access ain't no problem I don't think it's cool I don't think I'm saying is it up there because that's the first thing well that's access if you don't have access you you're not gonna do it and I had a thing I kind of could have had access right but I mean like I was like man no bitches no bitches. You on blocks? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Ain't nobody, ain't no pussy fucking playing golf. Absolutely.

You know, and so once I figured it out, I was like, well, first of all, I'm married, so I don't care about that no more. Okay. But we came out here, I had a reason to come out, rest in peace Virgil's event last night to go see my man. Rest in peace. Usually come out here for Basil, but I've been coming to Miami for the last 30 years. It's how can I be down since way back, I've been coming out here.

Yeah, they're old. Woo! And everything, right? but I've been coming to Miami for the last 30 years. It's how can I be down since way back. I've been coming out here. And everything, right? So, like, coming out here now, just vibing with JR yesterday. I'm about to buy a crib here now. There you go. You're late. You should have been. Well, welcome home, motherfucker.

I mean, bro. I used to fly here just to fucking... We like Biden Kendall. Yeah, we've been here. I used to fly here just to go to Puerto Saco. You know what I'm saying? Just to... Yes, yeah. We was there yesterday.

So we need a golf community. We need a golf class. But that goes for Hispanics and Latins and everything, too. Absolutely. It's not accessible. I just hit the ball. I just hit a par or none. It was terrible.

I hit a par none. I don't think it was that bad. It was terrible. I don't think he did that bad, bro. Yo. That shit went. It went. Yo, it was.

Let my man live, bro. I can't remember his name, but the CEO of Marvin. Yeah, bad, bro. Yo. That shit went. It went. Yo, I don't know. Let my man live, bro. I can't remember his name, but the CEO of Marvin. Oh, Steven. Steven, he set me up. He said, you want to hit the ball? I said, nah, I never hit it before. He said, nah, hit the ball. I said, do you have anything in your pockets?

He said, no. I said, okay, hold my phone in my wallet. Like, I'm some shit, right? And I hit that ball about 40 feet, and I was like, get my fucking phone in my wallet back. But shout out to Steven, because he set me up for it. Good peoples, man. Good peoples.

I mean, look, I love it out here. I've always loved it out here. I used to have a chick out here in Fort Lauderdale. Shout out to Dave. They always say that. They always do. I fuck with that. I'm married now.

I'm just saying, like, I just love the vibe out here. The air, something about it out here. It's amazing. For sure. Now, JR, one time, I forget what team it was, but y'all was at Club Live. And y'all was surrounded by your own teammates. This was like, this was an ill moment because they was like, yo, we knew that y'all were there, but y'all wasn't taking pictures.

You remember what I'm talking about? Yeah. What, what, what, what, what? Because I forget, What team was this? This was Knicks. This was me, Stack. No, because you were with LeBron this night. Oh, you're talking about with the Cleveland.

Yeah, this was with Cleveland. It was at Club Live. And y'all came. And I think, I forget what it was, but it was like an important game. And they said, none of the capitalists is taking no pitches. And they just they went to club live and I sort of God it was like I always wanted to ask you this because there's always these weird stories about Tom Brady and you know

these elite athletes that make they they make their homies just do some crazy shit. Derek Jeter and shit. Derek Jeter and all this. Yeah, and it was one of these nights. It was like, yo, and y'all was all in a circle in Club Live. And I looked. And I was about to hit the news. Like, no, they said no one's taking pictures.

So I said, oh, shit. I just sat back. And I swear, I think it was the Cavaliers. It could have been the Lakers, too. I just sat back and I swear, I think it was the Cavaliers. It could have been the Lakers too. I'm being honest. You laughing. So I always thought this was like this crazy shit

because they, like I speak to Tom Brady's like teammates and they be like, yeah, Tom made me wake up at 3.30 in the morning. Like hazing, like some hazing shit? No, like some,

I'm gonna make you wake shit. Kobe shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know,

damn, um, but you know what I'm talking about, right? I can go like 15 different stories from there, because of the Kobe shit. but you,

like, is, is that how it is sometimes? Yeah, for sure. Right. Yeah. 100%.

I just, I love that though. Yeah. Like, it's, it's crazy. Like, that's what I sure. Right. 100%. I love that, though. Yeah. Like, it's crazy. Like, that's what I miss the most. Like, shit like that. The brotherhood of it all. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you get the... Because when you... You out there with them more than you with your kids. Like, I know these dudes more than, like, my... My ex now, but... You know what I mean? My wife at the time, like knew i knew them better than i knew her you know what i mean like i'm with y'all every single day like we go to go to your room i'm going

to my room two three in the morning like we waking up yo we're gonna get coffee we're gonna do we're gonna eat we like non-stop and that really builds up it's it either really builds a bond with with people or just really like spending too much time with people. Like, yo, bro, your energy can go that way. You know what I'm saying? Like the military, like being in the trenches. Like it's the same thing.

Nah, 100%. That camaraderie is special. Yeah, that shit is. Was you on the subway in New York with Cleveland? Yeah, yup. How did y'all take the subway? I convinced them to take the subway. Oh, you took the subway.

Yeah, because I was trying to get back to the room, bro. They don't understand like- That moment went viral with the whole team walking into the subway in Oh, you took the subway. Yeah, because I was trying to get back to the room, bro. That moment went viral with the whole team walking into the subway in New York. Yeah, because they don't understand,

like, bro, if you taking the bus in the city, like, this shit is, first of all, we staying way uptown when we got to go back downtown.

Then for the game, we're going to have to go back downtown and then go all the way across town to get to EWR. What are we doing all this traveling for? It takes five minutes to get on the train.

L over there like, nah, bro, they're going to start tripping. They're going to trip anyway. You might as well take the train. They're just going to say you're a regular person at one point in time of your life. Nah, no shit. So 15, 6'4", 5'0", dudes walk into the subway. Shit, 6'8", 6'9", 7'4". What was this, a train to the Barclays?

Word. That's dope. You know what I'm saying? I think y'all did it first, or maybe he did it after. I'm not sure. No, I think he did it first. He did it first?

Yeah. All right, cool, cool. It was dope because he was sitting next to a girl who really didn't know who he was. Oh, yeah. That shit was fire. That was fire. That was fire.

That shit was fire. Yeah, that was fire. Oh, my God. That gotta be hilarious. Ferda, look at y'all. Y'all make that moment, the contact. LeBron, look away. You laughing. And she's like, I don't want any of y'all.

It's crazy because you really think, like, to me, I'd be like, man, everybody knows this motherfucker. And so the few people in the world who don't, they just be like, yo, you serious? Like, that's crazy. It's fine. You ever played against Jordy? Nah. Oh, in golf? Yeah, but not on the court.

Golf? Yeah. That was a nice floss, too. Yeah. No floss. Nah, it ain't no floss. He kicked my ass. In golf?

Yeah. You ever played against Kobe in a game? In a game? Yeah. Yeah. Dustin ever played against Kobe in a game? In a game? Yeah. Dustin. He got me. So I'm going to tell you a funny story about Kobe, right?

Right. So Byron Scott is my coach my rookie year. And Byron Scott, like, he mentored Kobe coming up. You know what I mean? I was like, Kobe, OG. It was on the same team. Yeah. So we would shoot around.

And we had practice one day. And then we played on the next night. Yeah. So we didn't shoot around. We had practice one day, and then we played on the next night. So they all day long. Man, listen, you got to stay down on the pump fake. This and the third, stay down on the pump fake. All day, shoot around, day before the game, like all day long. Stay down on the pump fake being Don John. Stay down on this pump fake.

So, again, I'm 18, checking in the game. It's cold. I'm still like, damn, it's cold. You know what I mean? I still got the, like, not the jitters, but like, oh, shit. But if you're 18, he only been in the league a couple years. Did he say he was some to you? Huh? He's been in the league a couple years if you're coming in after him.

Nah, cold was like nine, ten years when I came in. When you came in? Yeah, he was 96. Oh, shit. Yeah, hell yeah, shit. He was longer than that. Damn. Yeah, so, of course, as soon as he get the ball, two dribbles right, pump fake, I jump.

Foul him, and one, knock it down. Bro, when I tell you this shit happened in like probably all of 18 seconds. I think they just got the ball up, kicked it to him. This was literally the first play from him when I checked into the game. So it took me right out. It was like the most young boy shit I've ever seen in my life. I was just like, yeah. But it's crazy because if you know Cole playing against him,

his shot face was like, he going, he shooting this shit. Oh, he shooting. Oh, fuck. Then you got to follow him. You just can't let him get the shot off. It's like, fuck. Rest in peace, Cole, man. Cole was that dude, bro. He was that dude, for real.

But now, Ben Baller, let me ask you. What the fuck is the problem with you and Jim Jones? How the hell did y'all... Bro, man. That was some bullshit from academics, bro. Me and Jim is good. I love Jim, bro. That's beautiful.

That's my dog, bro. I have been around since Dipset Days. Me and Jimmy is good. Jimmy hit me up. Hey, man, I'm in Asia, I'm here. Help me get into just this Japanese art and shit. Me and Jim is good. We ain't got no beef at all. So what initially happened?

He was showing a picture of some, doing some pull-ups or something, and I showed his page. I was like, yeah man, you can stop being scared of me. I heard you can't walk through Harlem or some shit, man. I'm here waiting for you. I'm on one, two, fifth, what's good? And he was like, it's nothing. And he started kind of fucking around back. Meanwhile, me and him about to go meet up at the ASAP.

Yeah, it was day. So academics made it seem like it was some drama, some beef or some shit. Oh, DJ academics. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. So people actually were hitting me up. They're like, hey, man, I got some people to go get them. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's my dog like i'm gonna be i'm gonna be with nobody all right that's right didn't you troll drink jams early on i could have sworn

yeah you told us at one point what you guys when i did uh uh captain jack right you know what i'm saying they're like yo let's do this thing i know i'm supposed to come on the show i just don don't really. But we love you over here, Vinvog. I love Vinvog. No. You are family. In case you don't know. I mean, I know you know.

I know you know, but we want to say it to your face. I love you. We love you. In fact, me and him had a phone call. We had to straighten it out. We had to do a phone call. Yeah, you had a Twitter exchange, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it was beautiful. Steve and Sharpie Steel. I remember that. Yeah, it was beautiful. It was beautiful. And I'm not tripping. I would tell you the truth if I was wrong. If anything, as steel. I remember that. Yeah, it was beautiful. It was beautiful. And I'm not tripping. I would tell you the truth if I was wrong. If anything, yeah, maybe I instigated more, but it was like, I got love.

Of course. I wouldn't even be up here if I didn't have that. Yeah, same with us. Absolutely. That's all we is. Love combats love. Cost too much energy for that. Yeah, absolutely, man.

Yes, man. And I'm extremely proud of, because I've seen you since the Rockefeller days and to where you're at. And I've seen you from the beginning to where you guys are at. And it's just beautiful, man. That's all it is.

We spread love, positive energy, and love. Yeah, for sure. God damn it, man. Thank you. Thank you. God damn it, man. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you.

The sun is coming out as we're seeing it. Thank you. I'm going to start playing golf because... Golf has brought us together. I don't know why... Let's swing some shots out there. Yeah, I don't know why

the fuck y'all having so much fun. But thank you guys, man. Both of you guys. No, thank you, man. And always, man. Let's make some noise for that, man. Let's make some noise. guys no thank you man man as always man let's make some noise for that man let's do it let me have to do a real voice

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