Drink Champs - Episode 352 w/ George Clinton

Episode Date: February 24, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the iconic, George Clinton!George Clinton aka The Atomic Dog joins us as he shares stories from his historic career in music. George gives us so much game and shares stories about Prince, sampling music, his thoughts on Elvis and much much more!Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise for George Clinton!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreaga *Check out our Culture Cards NFT project by joining The Culture Cards Discord: 👇* https://discord.gg/theculturecardsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you were born in the 90s, your parents probably smashed to his music. You're probably born off of his music. And in the 80s. Your mom's probably got smashed to his music And in the 80s Your mom's probably Got smashed to his music Probably 70s too Let's just say All the way to now

If you're a hip hop Erp We owe this man When this man Walks in the room We supposed to dust off his feet And brush off his shoulders That's right

Because I kid you not From everybody From Ice Cube To Dr. Dre to Snoop to whoever, you actually heard this man's records and thought it was their records. And then when you went back and heard it, said, holy shit, that was the funk. That was the funk.

That's right. This man is, like I said, an icon of icons. He birthed all of us. All of us in hip-hop, we owe him. We got to say salute. And his catalog is so crazy. Like, when we put the playlist together, it just kept going and going and going. And you youngins is out there thinking y'all ill with one hit.

And Casey, I don't know who I'm talking about. We talking about the one, the only, Star Town, George Clayton, motherfucker! So how is everything? How is everything? Man, I like you guys. I'll talk shit. That's right, that's right.

I'm doing good. I'm glad to see We had some kind of Effect on something Oh no Absolutely Man I'm glad To be still

Hanging out with you guys Yo man I'ma be honest man To um You know At first when we started this show We would just Interview our friends

You know People that You know I'm a hip hop artist Just people that You know And then We started to

You know Interview people that We look up to Or people that we've never met. And when I go through your discography, when I go through your life story, it's just like, wow, man, you are really, really a legend, legend. And you out here still smiling, still touring. Man, I've been blessed in this shit. I started back pre-Motown era. I started back

in the doo-wop days when you you know, they made records where you dance up close and grind and shit. You light a fire and you go like this. No, it was this slow, in the basement with the lights out. That was the 50s. So I started, you know, back

Frankie Lyman and all of that. Yes, I remember. You know what I'm saying? And we moved into the Motown. They had Temptations with my idols and Smokey Robinson. All those was my idols. By the time we got a hit

record, 67, they were peaking. Motown was peaking. The Jackson had just came to the label. You know what I'm saying? And we figured we missed that. So we got one hit record out in 67.

And you're located where? In Jersey? I was in Jersey at the time. Newark. But you were born in North Carolina. North Carolina. Went to Plainfield in Newark. I worked in Plainfield. I was a barber. I did hair.

Oh, yeah, that's right. You know, the process of the dues. Right. You know, that was playing out. James Brown said, cut your due off. So that shit was playing out. Afros was coming in. So we got a hit record just in time.

All right. With a record called I Wanna Testify. Oh, Testify. Yeah, that was. And like I said, we was into the Motown thing, but it was peaking. It was, as soon as we got the hit. And at that time, they was comparing you to the Temptations. Yeah, we, you know, we wasn't tall enough.

We was short. You know, we was cool, but wasn't that cool. But we got that hit record, and like I said, it was changing. Rolling Stone, Beatles, and European was coming in to the country doing the same music that my mother and father liked. You know, the blues, the twist and shout from the Isley Brothers, music from the mid-50s and stuff, the 40s, they was doing that.

So we realized that we had to change, we had to change our style right when we got a hit record. And we flipped it into what style right when we got a hit record. And we flipped it into what Jimi Hendrix was doing with the psychedelic, you know, the acid. We dropped our share of acid. We got fucked up. And the next thing you know, we was in that. We had a guitar player who we just listened to a few minutes ago, Eddie Hazel.

Right. Did the record, Maggot Brain. So we were a psychedelic rock band, black, psychedelic, underground music. We knew we wasn't trying to get 45s every day or hit record 45 every two months.

But does psychedelic mean mushrooms? Acid. No, it was... LSD. Yeah. Mushroom was... I like it. Mushroom was the light version.

At the height of the Vietnam War, the anti-war. At the height of the Vietnam War. The hippies and all that stuff. That whole movement was about stopping that war. The hippies and everybody that was tripping and looking for that far out place. Well, we did that. We was lame as hell. But we did that and went crazy with it. Because we, we did that. We was lame as hell, but we did that

and went crazy with it, you know, because we thought we was cool. We did have the best asset. You know, we freaked out. And like I said, we had the best guitar player

and keyboard player in the world, Bernie Worrell, keyboard player, classical trained, Eddie Hazel, who was like the next Jimi Hendrix.

And then we had our doo-wop singing group. And Billy Bass, all of them was under 16. Wow. Of the band. Our band was like our little brothers. We were like 20, 19, and 20. And they was like 15 and 16.

So we had a hell of a band that nobody else could keep up with. You know, we were doing psychedelic music with a black band. We went back to play the Apollo Theater, and, you know, we had changed from the suits. They knew us with suits. We came back there with darshikis and diapers,

nothing. We was wearing anything that got anything to put our hands on. And like I said, we was tripping. So we was extra cool. So did that come from tripping or was the wardrobe? We probably would have did it anyway. But we were down for whatever it took to make it. But it just so happened when we made it, the kids was in charge.

The hippies was in charge of everything. That was where you got your education and shit like that. And we got pretty much educated on the road because we played a lot of colleges and shit. But let me ask you something, right? As hip-hop started to emerge, and you started to see, like, the first people of hip-hop, they started, it felt like they were mimicking you.

How did you feel? We got it, Afrika Bambaataa. Yes, yes. We got it. If you know, one of our albums called Uncle Jams, if you look at the back of the album, it's got all our fans from each city, from the fan club on it.

Wow. Afrika Bambaataa's name is the first name on the album. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. He was like 14, 15 years old. Okay, this was. You really ought to call him. He was there.

I mean, holy shit, I didn't know. Zulu Nation, all of that was like, the first thing that we saw of that, and we got familiar with it real early in the game, didn't know what it was going to be. We had a friend from the Bronx that used to sell T-shirts for us. He was 16.

And he used to have the boombox on his back, and he played flashlight, and he was selling the flashlights, and he was rapping to the music. This was during the intermission between Bootsy's song and our set. He would sell so many flashlights from rapping. We was like,

what the fuck is he doing? Everybody liked it, and it was already happening in the Bronx, in Brooklyn. And we didn't know, and they kind of hipped us to it. And from then on, we would watch Public Enemy,

Rakim was my favorite right from day one. Wow. I mean, all the way through, you know, I watched him do his thing, and the whole hip-hop thing was, it was like P-Funk continued. We said P-Funk was the DNA for hip-hop.

Right, right. You know, and I got a friend over there, Mark Bass. He produced Eminem's first seven albums. Oh, wow. I produced him, and he produced my son right back when they first started. Wow. You know, so I watched all of it

drain them when we came out to L.A. They used our name, Uncle Jam's Army. That was the name of the club. Him and Battle Cat and all that. They was DJing. They hadn't even had N.W.A. yet. Right. So we watched them go from

What were they? World-class record crews. Yeah, yeah. We watched them, the whole L.A. Dream Team and all of that. We was right in with them, providing beats. I mean, I made an album called Sample Some of Disc and Sample Some of That. Because I saw it coming, and they was getting in so much trouble trying to sample and not get caught or hide it. We made it available.

It still didn't work. I mean, the record companies beat us anyway. But we made it available. We knew that we had to be a part of this because this was the DNAF. It just changed names. And so we became part of that and we stayed with the game we did one of our records tweaking with us right when they first started now you did one of them but me and EFN thought we were smart at one time and um we had did we

sold one show but we sold it three times right like meaning we had a prescription base we had it on YouTube, and then we had it on three distributions for one show. But I'm looking and I'm like, the Parliament and the Funkadelic were the same goddamn people. I said this motherfucking shit 30 years ago. Not only that, Bucci, his band was the same people too. The people that played in Bootsy's band was the same people that played in All of Me, played in Funkadelic I was like yo he sold the same band

and the girl group, the Brides of Funkenstein, Parlette, was the same people, again, Bootsy played bass on theirs, he played Bernie played on them we all were the 60 people he played bass on theirs. He played, Bernie played on them. We all were the, it was 60,

60 people. I'm like, holy, 60 people. When we went out on tour with the Mothers, 60 people in the same 60 played on everybody else's record. You just be the lead this time

and we back you up. You be the lead next time and we back you up. Let me look at the people right now. Ain't nothing new under the sun. I mean, we really like Wu-Tang because they got the concept. Right.

They got it. When I, when actually, that's exactly what I thought of. The first thing I thought of when I said that, I said, damn, RZA got the concept. RZA got the concept. He copied you.

He produced everybody. And they all played supporting role on each album. Everybody was with each other. Because that was my next question. When you, the bands wasn't on the same record label.

No, no, no. We was on all the labels. I'm not black! Matter of fact, that's what they got us. That is genius. Matter of fact, that's what got us in trouble.

Because they looked around and we had somebody on every label and they thought we would eventually start our own label and call everybody back to the label. And you beat them all time. We didn't want to do that. Everybody was doing all right where they were at. We had a bunch of young kids behind us.

My son and all the other bands that was ready to be on our name, Roger Troutman. A lot of people don't know, we did More Bounce to the Ounce. Wow. That's a P-Funk record at the same time, Knee Deep, One Nation, all them. We did Roger, he was Roger in the Human Body. Wow. You know, and when he came out with Roger album, that was the beginning of separating the record companies. We're so scared we was going to become Motown again.

Right. Because, you know, Motown took over the dance floor. Right. They own shit. Right. And that was the first black ownership. Yeah. And they did it so seriously.

Right. And the industry was never trying to let that happen again. Damn, this is so much history. That is crazy. You know, and so. Yo, dude, I ain't going to lie. I need a drink. They start trying to split us up I need vodka

and club soda and with a lemon and all this shit so how do they go about splitting you guys up like what were they getting everybody's ear they come between you

and your friends right that's how they separate you right they say he ain't getting paid you ain't getting paid you ain't getting paid faster and they be in control

of the payment right so it end up if they work getting in between you you end up having a problem He ain't getting paid. You ain't getting paid. You ain't getting paid faster. And they be in control of the payment. Right. Right. So it end up, if they work with getting in between you, you end up having a problem getting your people together. Right. Right now, we going through that, trying to reacquaint ourselves with all our friends

to make sure they get paid. I'm working with Ben Crump right now. Right. You know, trying to get the whole industry thing for, you know, black musicians and all musicians, really. I don't know if you've seen it, but Chuck D had filed

a lawsuit against Universal and he actually won. This whole, you know. Like, actually, like, because these contracts that they were saying that was being signed back then wasn't legal.

They're not. You know, they tried to say that you signed for life, perpetuity. And throughout the universe? Throughout say that you sign for life, perpetuity. And throughout the universe? Throughout the universe. None of that stuff, though.

But you have to be able to do it from a civil rights standpoint. The law standpoint, if you don't do it in time, you got, you know, you run out of time. They got all those legal things they can wiggle with your lawyers. Right. And you have to worry about your lawyer getting paid off under the table. Right. And all that. So we've been doing this,

fighting this for like 35, 40 years. Yeah. Now we got it pretty much under control. We're getting our copyrights back. Like I say, Ben Crump is our lawyer, along with some expert music lawyers. Right. And we're getting ready to get,

the news is going to break in a minute. You ain't going to believe the stuff that you hear. You know, songs like Humpty Dance. Yes. The Humpty Dance. Chuck G and all them was our friends when they were a singing group before they ever rapped. Right. When Tupac was dancing,

we was playing with them. And the song they did, Humpty Dance, is Let's Play House on a Parliament record. Right. Yeah, Let's Play House. And it has been sampled so many times. And one of the things that happened, my son came up with some of the lyrics. So he was one of the writers, along with Bootsy and Junie.

Somebody in the record I don't even want to call their names now but you will hear. You can tell it to me. You'll hear it in a minute. You'll hear it in a minute. Changed from my son's name to my name.

Because they was already stealing my stuff from a Ford signature that they said that I signed. Because if it's under your name they can claim it. They already did that. Because if it's under your name, then they could claim it. Oh, yeah. They already did that. So they changed it from his name to my name

and then took it. And this has been, what, 35, 40 years? There's so many samples of that song that right now it's getting ready to be one of the biggest cases in the world. Like I said, Ben Crump. Why? And it's going to be a civil rights thing because it's, you're talking about your history.

Yes. Something you're supposed to be able to pass down to your generation. Taking away generational wealth, right. Generation wealth. And it's planned like that. Everybody had to agree to do it. You know what I'm saying? What do you mean everybody had to agree?

The record companies had to agree. Oh, yeah. You sample mine, I won't charge you. I sample yours, you don't charge me. They were in cahoots with each other.

And the artists get charged now. I ain't saying the artists didn't. They took money from the artists. Right. I mean, I tried to get Snoop. We was going to have a,

what was it called? We had a royalty statement party. You come to the party, bring your royalty statement. Go to this party We had a royalty statement party. You come to the party, bring your royalty statement. I was late to go to this party. Bring your royalty statement and we compare royalty statements. Shit, I'm going to be

the lowest hick of the air. I was, you know, I talked too much, you know, so I said it out loud before, you know, before we did it. And of course, they started locking their, the hip hoppers,

they got them locked up you know in the beginning started making them sign contracts so they couldn't do nothing about it but that's the way

we was planning and still going to do it that's going to be part of the movie and everything else got to go to the royalty statement party bring your royalty statement

we compare what you got paid what you got and it don't gel I only got like three royalties in my life so I think I don't gel. I only got like three wordies in my life, so I don't think they let me in the wordy statement party.

But that's crazy. Yeah, but that was some of the things you had to do to try to make sure you stayed tight with all the other musicians. Because whatever happened, whether it looked like they did it or not, it most likely they didn't do it. Or if they did it, they did it out of you know and they were in trouble right you know like me and him we have this argument on the show where he always we always compare what do we like more major record label or being independent he always

picks independent i always pick major but when i hear stories like that it always make me say i mean it's got to be independent nowadays because the internet yeah you don Internet, you don't even need them for nothing but to promo you or something. And the way they get these followers and things on the Internet, you don't need them for that. Some of the biggest artists they got out there now is from the one that's got millions of followers on the Internet. They make their record on their laptop. No, I mean, the labels really don't play themselves except for the one that's got old catalogs and people don't know how to get them back. Right. You can get them back.

They have copyright recaptures now. Right. After 35 years? After 35 years, you can get them back. Yes. But we're such a threat to that. Right, because you get it back, that's like $100 million. Maybe more.

It's like $2 billion. God damn. You're talking about all of the hip-hop, say, Dre's whole catalog. Yes. I mean, Chronic. That was almost like the mothership and he rapped over every record.

And Snoop's first album. I said that. I was trying to say that. That's what I was trying to say. Like I said, I did Tupac's stuff live. I swear to God, we was working out to listen to your music and I was like,

how much money does Dr. Dre owe them? That's what I was just thinking. It wouldn't be Dre. It wouldn't be, you know, I hate to be gay. He's just one of them.

Yes, yes. You know, the same with the East Coast. All of the, say, Public Enemy, Rock Kim. Eric Sermon.

Eric Sermon, boy, I mean, all of them. And you know what's crazy about that? Let me vouch for them in saying, the public enemy, Rock Kim. Eric Sermon. Eric Sermon, boy. Right. And you know what's crazy about that? Let me vouch for them in saying, I'm pretty sure that they said make sure he gets paid.

I'm pretty sure they're saying that. Snoop and Dre both said that. I went on the Grammys with them, you know, one time. And I said it right on stage, make sure, you know,

these writers get paid. Right. But it's out of their hands and you know you scared as hell they're going to ground you once you start speaking up for some of your lawyer your manager is going to tell you

stay out of that. Nah, not us over here. We ain't having that over here. Not over here. We ain't having that over here. We got the back. But eventually eventually it's going to come out.

You know what I mean? During that time, I was a crackhead, so I wasn't paying no attention. Right. You know, I was doing what we all did, you know. Whatever trending chemical substance was going on, most of the time when you get in this business, you go through that. Right. And it takes you a minute to get out of it. I ain't sorry about shit.

Right. You know, I just maintained myself. And when I did get a chance to get out of it. I ain't sorry about shit. You know, I just maintained myself. And when I did get a chance to get out, got out, started getting the copyrights back. But I had severed all, I mean, I made sure that I kept all the relationships with everybody that I worked with. Pretty cool with almost everybody. Because I knew the shit that it was doing wasn't them. It's true. You know? It's true.

You know what I'm saying? And eventually, the record companies, it's not even the people that work at the record companies now because they weren't even on that. Yeah, they were babies.

Right, right. You know? But the company have that money. Right, yeah. You know, like I'm saying? And ours is, it's in the billions.

All right. Because almost every major hip-hop artist, you know, along with artists that I produced, like the Radar Chili Peppers. Wow. We never got paid for any of

that on that big side of that. Wow. Like I said, I got something to look forward to right now because I'm having fun. I still do it. We're still in the road. I got my grandkids on the road in the band. Band members got their kids on the road with us. So. I still do it. We're still in the road. I got my grandkids on the road in the band. Band members got their kids on the road

with us. So we're still doing it. And I can sit up here and talk shit. You know, I get money now. And if I get the money now, I'll know what to do with it. If I'd have got it back then, I might not have been here. Too much fun. It's been too much fun, you know.

So I can always look at it like say on the bright side of things I try to always do that because the thought is the easiest

thing in the world to find you know that's easy you know and so that's why it's so easy to make you know hip hop music

you diss somebody it's easy to beat up on somebody find somebody that can talk positive about somebody good and get that same vibe it's easier to beat up on somebody. Find somebody that can talk positive about somebody, good, and get that same vibe. It's few, I mean, Rakim is one of the ones that I know,

remember the record he did with Friends, with Jody Wadley? Oh, yeah. He can compliment your ass to death. It sounds serious. That's hard to do. That's hard because, and you know, hip-hop is based on beating up MC, sucker MC, other bits. That's the because hip hop is based on BWMC, Sucka MC, and that's the concept of it.

You learn to do that. That was a battle in hip hop. We called it playing the dozens when I was in school. That was if somebody dropped a glare, it's your mama. You know what I mean? You got expert at that. But to be able to do that same vibe on the positive side, you got to have some dialogue in your ass. And like I say, Rakim, he could do that shit and he'd kill your ass on this side of town.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Nobody wanted it with him. No. But let me ask you, so one time I had the pleasure of meeting James Brown, right? We were walking on the red carpet. That's incredible. This was Pharrell's. He got his BMI award or something.

So he had two speakers, and it was me and Justin Timberlake. How they put us together, I did not think that went together at all, all right? But I'm walking, and I can see James Brown had his nephew with him or something. So I was like, oh shit, James Brown. And his nephew must have leaned over

and said to him, you know, that's Norrie, that's a rapper. And James Brown turned and looked at me and said, keep sampling my shit. Kid you not. That's awesome. Yo, I swear to God, because we were too kind of far away

to smack five. We were on the red carpet. So you didn't even take a picture with him. So I didn't take a picture or nothing. But he was right there. I was right there he was walking I could tell his nephew was like I said James Brown you know I'm hype as a motherfucker

I'm like James Brown and his nephew went over and he just turned and he said hey keep sampling my shit now do you ever feel like that always between y'all two you had probably the most sampling hip hop yeah really was I actually like I said I didn't wait for them.

I made a record called Sample Some of Disc and Some of That. Wow. So, you know, I made sure that you could, I moved the drums out the way. I moved the horns out the way. I isolated different things, different variations. And we made five versions of that. Eric Sherman lived by that. Nas did too.

I mean, we made sure we was connected to it. That's the thing with me. I'm down with the next new generation. You want to get on your nerve? The new music that get on your nerve when you think it ain't music? I'm down with them soon as I hear somebody get that vibe. If everybody's agreeing that they ain't shit, I want to know what they doing. Because everybody's agreeing that they ain't shit, I want us to know

what they doing. Right. Because that's the next music. You don't get that vibe unless you got, they don't pay you no attention at all when you ain't shit.

Right. But when you get somebody that everybody agree that you ain't what's supposed to be happening, I'm like I said, what they say, when Cardi B came out,

my family can tell you, I was on, not what she was saying, I just know that vibe. It, my family could tell you, I was on not what she was saying. I just know that vibe. I could tell everybody was, oh, she ain't real. What is she doing? Who is she? Because you can tell. You don't get that serious agreement that you shouldn't do this or this.

Because it ain't that important to most people if you ain't that. But they're going to be the next one. And that's who I've always picked the right ones. I got a good record on that. I tap myself on the shoulder for picking who's next. I mean, on their first two or three records, I was, what's the name, Rihanna? She did S.O.S.

I was all over that record. And my grandkids tell me, Granddad, that record's been out just the second time around. But the second time around, it blew up. And she didn't stop. I mean, it was Umbrellas and Leaky. I knew. Because her vibe on that first record,

it had that Motown theory on it. But it tells me more. It's the person. Anybody that picks certain things, you can tell. They're not just picking this because they had some thought behind it. Or they had some work behind it. The ones that worked, like Prince, he worked all day, every day. You giving us a Prince story right now?

Well, I can give you a whole lot of Prince stories. Yeah, let's go, let's go. I mean, Prince has you up 7 in the morning to 7 at night when you're on his tour. He pay you for it. Everybody in the band will tell you, he pay you good. But your ass going to work. You on call. You on call.

When the show is over, if you want to go do a party, because he on that whole date 24 hours He pay you like that They say that Prince was like They compare him to like Tom Brady Like even after the show is over Prince still want to practice

Oh no That's what they say about him He going to a party Or practice or something Right He call me up to his house And everybody got to come That or he call you to his house

And want to talk Me he used to call me to his house. You know, he wants to talk. He wants to pick my brain. The house in Minneapolis? Minneapolis. We was on Paisley Park. Okay.

I was on Paisley Park. Okay. So he'd want to talk. Yo, this shit is fucking me up right now. I ain't going to lie to you. I mean, no, you know, he indoctrinated us into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Wow. Prince did.

But he used to, like I say, get his money worth. He had me up to his house, bending my ear about why, what, what. And so I was telling him everything, and then I realized he was getting too mad. He was getting slave on his face and ready to protest. I said, wait a minute. You might get away with that shit. I ain't a minute. You might get away with that shit. I ain't going to be able to get away with that shit. I'm too old.

They know I know better than to do that. You know, and he'd want me to go with him to the radio station and curse him out and tell him, I'm not going with you. You know, tell him things and then I see him doing it. But I always had his back. He always had mine. You know, but he was, and then I see him doing it, but I always had his back, he always had mine. You know, but he was one of those workaholics, just like I said, again, I can tell you,

Beyonce and them, when they were Destiny Child, they worked all day long, every day, and anybody that put that kind of work in, Michael. They're going to see results. You're going to see results when you can do that. You met Michael as well? Michael, they came to Motown doing I Want to Testify.

Jackson 5? Yeah. Yo shit. We were probably the reason they was wearing what they was wearing. Because we were the first black group that was looking like that. Besides Sly and them came out right behind us. Sly Stone. Sly and them, which is my boy.

Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Right. They came, Jackson, when they first came to Detroit, they was straight Parliament, Funkadelic. Right. You know. Matter of fact, they did one of my songs called I Bet You. You know.

Wow. Now, we, I make sure whoever the new thing is, you know, I'm down with them. What is it? Outcast, Dungeon Family, Goody Mob,

Organized North, whatever you want to call them. I was there right when they all was one, like Parliament Funkadelic. I was working with Dallas Austin and DARP. You know,

everybody that comes along that's doing something, I try to be a part of whatever it is they're doing because it's going to be the new shit. You know, everybody that comes along that's doing something, I try to be a part of whatever it is they're doing because it's going to be the new shit. You know, they get on your nerves. You can tell by the ones that get on your nerves. You be like, damn, that ain't no music. But then the shit is working.

It's the new kids, that's their version of it. You just have to be able to move yourself out of the way. Okay, that's what it is. And then it becomes, damn, it's pretty good. And what are you getting out of it? Does it have to be able to move yourself out of the way. Okay, that's what it is. And then it becomes, damn, it's pretty good. And what are you getting out of it? Does it re-inspire you? Yeah, it re-inspires you. And put you up on what's going on so your ass don't

be old and out of here. That's what you're supposed to be. You're supposed to be old and let the next one take over. But some of us don't want to leave. You know, if you don't want to leave, then stay out of the way. Right. You know, get down with whatever they're doing.

I mean, a good example, Eminem. He emerged, no matter what rap style comes in. Right. He's still all up in their face. Right. And you can't get rid of him, and he's going to be like that because he's enthused about hip-hop. Right, right. He means that shit.

He lives and breathes it. Right. And so when you like that, you can say, oh, you old school, old school my ass. He'll take your cadence and whoop your ass. You know, whatever. Of course, you're going to have a different cadence because it's a new generation. Right, right. And you figure out what's the theme, what they're talking about.

I mean, you get a few that's way on out of me. Kendrick is my boy. You know what I'm saying? He can talk about shit ain't nobody else going to be able to get away with. He done made that room for himself. Yeah. That's when you find that exceptional new one. There's a few of them right in there that talks about shit, and real shit,

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I'm about to make a record. So when I find those kind of people, I pay attention to them and find out what story or what way I can sneak into that. You know, and we did to Pimple Butterfly, I thought I was talking to somebody old as me. That's how much he had paid attention,

I guess, to his parents, who was P-Funk fans from what he was saying. But he knew not only that, he had theories for what's happening now. You know, so every once in a while you get a new good one that just blow your brains out

and you have to like really give them that space to figure out what they doing, you know? You realize you raised generations? Well, two or three generations. They raised me too. Yes. No, believe me, I'm in touch with most of them.

Right. You know, with their kids. Most of the time, I'm friends with their kids. Right. Their kids be finding out, oh, my dad said blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, we was doing, and what you doing? You know, because it's going to be something fresh. Like a half-hour band is our grandkids and kids of mine and other members. And the band is hot as ever. Right.

I mean, I have to sit my ass down and direct shit, but they carry the hype. And I just organize the show. What's your favorite place to perform show. What's your favorite place to perform at? What's your favorite city or state or country? It changes. It changes, yeah.

You know, it was, for a long time, it was Amsterdam. Amsterdam. For obvious reasons. For obvious reasons. But now everywhere you can get, you know,

legal weed anywhere. Times have changed. Times have changed, you know, legal weed anywhere. Times have changed. Times have changed, you know. But lots of places we got all, our fans, we have all kind of fans. My age, people that know from that, young kids that's on TikTok. You know, we get them all. So I have to look.

We don't have a set list till I walk out and look at the audience. Because I have to see who came. That's fire. You're like a DJ in the moment. At the moment, I have to like what side of town.

We can come and play the same town on different sides of town and different sets of people will come because we know who not to play the loud rock and roll

and give somebody a heart attack or we know not to bore somebody to death by playing certain other type stuff. So we have to really look at the audience. And going to casinos is a new problem for us because now people that don't usually go to casinos,

when we play, they come. And usually you have to have a casino-type show. It was like an older crowd before, but now it's... Yeah, now anybody will come there, and they'll be ready to party. So you got to like, whoa, how many of who came? You know what I'm saying? Who we got the most of. So I have to cater to whoever the predominant, you know?

And then we got, you know, like Atomic Dog, for instance. That's been through all the generations. All the hip hoppers done used it. The song itself never go anywhere. We just did a new version of it with the Q-Dogs. You know what I'm saying? That's coming out. All shit.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We just did a video. And I mean, it's going to blow people's mind, the new mix of it, the new version of it. Did the same song two years ago with the, what were they called? The cartoon, what is that?

Trolls. The Trolls. Yeah, I did that on the Trolls movie. And so Tommy Dog ain't going nowhere, like I said. And it's coming back so hard when you see this Q-Dog version. That's never going anywhere. Let me ask you, a person like my friend Louis Views right there, right? He got the red shirt on.

He wants to do a record with you. He connects with you. And he wants to remake your record. How does he go about that? He has to talk to the label? You can cover anybody's record. Oh, cover, to the label? You can cover anybody's record. Oh, cover, okay. Yeah, you can cover

anybody's record. Yeah, covering. Yeah, covering. So meaning redoing is different things, right? Yeah, sampling and covering is different things. Okay.

The sampling, you get permission and all that. Covering, you can cover it, do it your way with or without permission. You just have to pay the publisher. Right. You know, that's...

The original writer of the record. And that's what I'm saying, the writer probably get paid. But you can cover anybody's publisher. Right. You know, that's... You're the original writer of the record. And that's what I'm saying, the writer of the record. But you can cover anybody's record. Right. Did you realize that, like, you know, watching your stories,

I watch so many documentaries, did... Was there anybody like, all right, cool, I got jerked in hip-hop, right? So I wanted to, like, give the knowledge to the next younger brother, right?

Was there nobody there, like, at that time to tell y'all about these contracts and tell y'all about publishing? Not from the R&B side of it. Really? No, everybody was always, they did it to me, I'm going to do it to the next one. That's the one that get most people in it. You know what I'm saying? It was done to me, so I'm going to get the next one.

And they kind of set you up and help you do that. If you don't pay attention, they'll help you mess over somebody and then blackmail your ass with it. You know what I'm saying? So you have to be careful of that. No, that was, my thing, I came up through Joe Bett. And I made up my mind, I'm going to do whatever it take to make it. So I ain't really trying to bust nobody. I mean, I knew a lot of stuff I was doing through Joe Bett. And I made up my mind, I'm going to do whatever it takes to make it.

So I ain't really trying to bust nobody. I knew a lot of stuff I was doing in the beginning that they was lying. But my thing is just get out there. I'll straighten this shit up later. That's the way most people feel about this shit. They'll do it even if they know they're doing something wrong. That's exactly what I did. You know, to get there.

You would have done it for free. Yeah, you would have done it for free. That's the thing. That's the thing. You ain't going to get paid. You ain't going to get there. You would have done it for free. Yeah, you would have done it for free. That's the thing. That was the thing to say you ain't going to get paid. You ain't going to get paid. I signed my first deal for $5,000. Yeah, that's really what it's saying. And it was up front about it.

I signed my first deal for $5,000. I knew it was $5,000, and I signed happily. Oh, yeah, I've done that part. I've done that lots of times. But my thing, once I get in there, I know how to work my way to blah, blah, blah. But then there's some that just plain out set you up. The paperwork is all wrong.

Mine was actually changed. She went back in. I saw that in a documentary. They changed the document. To put it lifetime. Not one time, but three, four, five times. I got copies of them. So many copies of the changed documents.

I paint too. I took some of the documents and put it on the painting. That's why I was doing my best to keep this into the public's eye for as long as I could. You know what I'm saying? So I took a lot of the documents and put it on the art. That stuff. I see a judge said that even though a judge did say that this paperwork was altered. It was altered.

It was altered. It was altered. It was altered. Anything that comes out of this paper is null and void. We got those kind of papers. Wow. My wife over there looking at me saying, make sure you don't say too much. Nah, we got it. We got it. We got it.

We got it. We got it. But it's cool now. I'm free to tell it now. I got sued for writing a book about it. We got it. But it's cool now. I'm free to tell it now. I got sued for writing a book about it. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Who sued? The person that did the alteration.

Yeah. Yeah. You can get the, it's in the book. We got the book out, Brothers Be Yo Like George. Ain't that punkin' kind of hard on you? Everybody needs to get that. I say I was hard when I started. I'll be hard when I started.

I'll be hard when I get through. All right, Dan. Salud. Salud. So before we get into this game that we play all the time, it's called Quick Time. We got to give them flowers. Yeah. Let me ask this question to be given with flowers. For people that's been living under a rock,

describe to people what the mothership is. Oh, the mothership is our mythological vehicle that brought us here from the planet Sirius. I like Sirius. It's called the dog store. The dog store. You heard the Dogon people? Africans? Our myth is that

it came and brought the funk here. It brought the funk. It taught the plant how to dance. Yes. How to dance underwater and not get wet. How to be able to dance between the molecules of water with such rhythm that you can get out between the molecules of water that takes such rhythm

that you can get out of the way within water between the molecular structure of you know things that's the rhythm it takes to survive in this world to be able to get in and out of the bullshit you have to live through

you got to be able to swim through you could do, in order to survive here, you could swim through water and not get wet. That's the rhythm it take to survive in this world. So the mothership was that

psycho, alpha, disco, beta, bio, aqua, do loop. That was that formula that you needed to survive. Plus it was the vehicle to take you back to where you come from and keep the party jumping. So are we in the mothership?

All the time. God damn it! You just have to become aware of it. It's always there but it don't work until you open your eyes and feel that oh oh, shit, it's been this way all the time. So do I got to take mescaline? I mean, everything is evolving now.

You can do shrooms is legal now. Yeah. You can do a handful of shrooms now, dude. I got a, didn't you who gave me the shrooms? Yeah, it was our family. I mean, but there's lots of ways. Dancing, religion, yeah, it was our father. I mean, but there's lots of ways. Dancing, religion,

chanting, marriage, and there's so many rhythms that takes you there. Why? You have to find out which one works for you. Okay.

Some people can do it from just gift of gift. Some people got so much. Yeah, meditation. They can meditate their way into it. You know, some people are just

inspired with the word. Right. You know, and they may not even live like that, but it comes through you. You ain't got nothing to do with it. Right. I mean, technically, your body has the drugs in it already. All the endorphins.

Yeah, endorphins. Dopamines and all that shit. All that stuff, if you know how to reach and get it. But when you can't, you light a joint. Light a joint, God damn it. Y'all. Mr. George Clinton, we don't know if you know our show is about giving people flowers.

Our show is about making our legends feel proud. Making our legends know that they legends. So many times in this game when you got 10, 20, 30 years in this game, they want to say that you're old school. They want to say that you're washed up. They want to say that they kicked you out. And we don't believe that over here. We believe when you 20, 30 years in the game, you're old school. They want to say that you're washed up. They want to say that they kicked you out. We don't believe that over here. We believe when

you're 20, 30 years in the game, you're just getting seated. You're just getting seated. We want to give you your flowers to your face. You know what I'm saying? Those are gold flowers. This is your flowers, man. You know what I mean? They last forever.

This is from the drink champs. You know what I mean? God damn, make some noise. What's in here? Snoop said it's like a... It's real roses that are gold-plated. Oh, okay. I'm looking for... Yeah.

Okay. Snoop said it's like a Grammy, but it's from your people. You know what I mean? Oh, man, thanks for... And you won a Lifetime Grammy, didn't you? Huh? Yeah, Lifetime Achievement Award. Lifetime Achievement Award.

Jesus. We've been nominated so many times for the samples and things, but they haven't let that as a concept become real yet. It'll be pretty soon, you know, because there's so many. So if a record gets

nominated, you, if they sampled you, you're nominated automatically. Sometimes, and sometimes if you pay attention to it, you'd be nominated, but you have to be up on it yourself. Right, because you'd be a writer on the record. Yeah, you'd be a writer on it, yeah. Wait a minute, okay, I'll continue.

Can I just repeat that you smoke in blunts? No, no, no, no. These are, these are, okay, I'll continue Can I just feed, did you smoke in blunts? No, no, no These are You OG, OG Oh, hip papers, okay, alright I was about to say, you out here Smoking Dutchess, you looking crazy Smoking Dutchess

Yeah, yeah, yeah That's still tobacco Yeah, I, yeah. That's still tobacco. Yeah, I still smoke that shit. I'm ignorant as a motherfucker. And I know it's wrong for me, too. Yeah, but all right, cool. This looked the part, so I'm still cool. Okay.

Most people don't go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't going to lie. What did it look like? Garcia Vegas. Remember the old school Garcia Vegas with the green shit? Garcia Vegas, is it? Yeah, Garcia Vegas, yeah.

Okay. Black and Miles. Okay. We want to get someone to come in and take a shot. Yeah, you want to get someone from your crew to take shots for you? Your family, one of your grandkids.

Your grandkids. This is a shot game we're going to play. This is a shot game, so. Come on, all right. The New York hat on? He look like he ready anyway. He was practicing on it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He look like... Oh, you're going to take shots? Yeah, you can do that. Yeah, you can grab that chair to grab a chair. Like you said right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah Oh, you're going to take a shot Yeah, you can grab that chair Grab a chair Like you said right there Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Now, what's your name, big dog?

13 13 How's it going, 13? He's the hype man in the band Okay, okay, all right, cool Well, you're going to be the hype man right now, nigga Are we ready?

Give him a shot glass, Mr. Lee. Yeah, give him a shot glass. There you go. There you go. Yeah. Before you start, what are you drinking? Something white. Okay.

You want some Ciroc? You want that Ciroc right there, the watermelon? Okay. Oh, you mean... Shit. I want regular. Yeah, I want regular. Oh, hell no.

Okay. Now, so, all right. So, hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. You ain't got to pour that. Because it's a long game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So, hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. You ain't got to pour that. It's a long game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but you got to keep that one now. You got to keep that one. You set yourself up, man. All right. All right, so. For sure, for sure. So. We drink with you.

Yeah, we drink with you, though. But, like, you right there is good enough. Yeah, yeah. I'm full right now. Yeah, yeah, but, okay. So, by the way, let me just say this mid-interview. Like, I'm really in the presence of a legend, man. I'm really honored that you came and considered us to, you know what I mean?

Appreciate you. Like, I really, like, you know, in this game, there's so many people who just, you know, they don't take the time out to say, I appreciate you. You know what I mean? And I just wanted to just do that before we get into this game. I appreciate you,

but I'm about to kill your hype man. You know what I mean? Want to get that out the way. So when he drunk or later on, he got to be like, man. Okay. You ready? Yeah.

Okay, so it's on you. So if you pick both, if you be political and you pick both, then he drinks. If you pick... Are we giving you two names? Yeah, two names or two things. If you pick one, nobody drinks.

Right. But if you say both or neither, which would be the politically correct answer. And we think you're going to say both a lot because we can tell you a politically great guy, so it's not going to work out for him. Oh, man. We're going to make it work.

All right, you ready? You ready? Let's get it. DMX or Tupac? You're right. Boom. Boom. We got to be good.

You don't get up strong. Oh, that was easy. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I can feel your spirit. And go light. Go light. Go light. Yeah, yeah, yeah going to lie. I can feel your spirit. And go light, go light, go light. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mr. Matt? Yeah, it's okay.

Go under the logo next time. Yeah. I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She got you. Okay. Ooh, this is a good one too. ODB or Biz Markie?

Oh, I know too. Wow. ODB. Okay talking about. Wow. ODB. Okay. Okay. Ooh. This one is good. I kind of know where you're going to go.

Motown or Epic Records? Both. I mean, it's Motown, but Epic doesn't clean up lately. That means some good things is going on over there. Yeah. I'm going to tell you why they were so great. You got to see his smile when he said, they done cleaned up lately. Like, that was the smoothest shit I've seen in a long time.

They done cleaned up lately. They got Sly, Michael, and all that. Okay, you ready? Plus, we went there. Where we at? Rolling Stones or The Beatles? Beatles, goddamn. You knew them both?

The Beatles. The Beatles. I mean, they're like all the way up on the charts with me. Okay. The Beatles is like Mot the charts with me. Okay. Beatles is like Motown in my life. Wow. That's another thing that I paid close attention to. Wow.

Their history. They were it. Okay. Them and Jimi Hendrix. Okay. Sly Stone. Okay. All right.

You take over after this one, after I say this one. Yeah, go ahead. Okay, Michael Jackson or Prince? Both. Let's go. Let's Michael Jackson or Prince Both Let's go Let's go hype man Okay No but Just say both for the hell of it

Don't be saying but You're gonna kill us We got a long list here No but you know what's crazy You're probably one of the only five guests that we've ever had that has Michael Jackson and Prince stories. Like, some of the times,

a person might have a Prince story. Some of them might have a Michael Jackson story. Mainly, none of them have a Michael Jackson, Prince, Tupac, and Biggie story. Nobody's had a Beatles story. I don't think we've ever talked about the Bleedles. Who's the Bleedles?

You know who I'm talking about. The Black Beatles, nigga. I'm just fucking around. I'm going to throw some extra ones in there. Okay, cool. Star Child or Devoid of Funk? Star Child or Devoid of Funk.

Which one of your alters? Sir Nose. Sir Nose, right? Both. Okay. Oh, shit. Sir Nose. Sir Nose, right? Both. Okay. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Sir Nose.

You sweating already, my brother. I respect it. They're clones of each other. Mm-hmm. This is true. All right. Okay. What we got?

You ready? Go ahead. Marvin Gaye or Stevie Wonder? Both. Jesus. We going in. Y'all going to have a... Damn. Good thing I got this bottle in there. I love it. I wonder. Jesus, we going in. Y'all going to have a...

Good thing we got this bottle in there. Y'all, look at this. Hello. Okay. We might start playing in your band right after this. All right. Sam! We're going to do a new action, man.

Sly Stone or Boosie Collins? Oh, shit. Hello. Damn. Sly Stone. Slashstone or Bootsy Collins? Oh, shit. Hello? Damn. Slashstone. Slashstone he picked. Okay. Let me add to that.

Bootsy Collins or Jimi Hendrix? Jimi Hendrix. Wow. Okay. Ain't many of them going to say over Bootsy now. Right. Ain't many. Right. But damn, y'all pick some hard ones, don't you?

You being honest. Redman or Method Man? Oh, shit. Both? I better keep this real close. That's my boy. Shit. I know Redman.

Shout out Redman, Method Man. Yeah, both of them. Ooh, this is a good one. Rick James or James Brown? James Brown. James Brown. Oh, I'm about to take a shot. He picked.

I'm so programmed. You're celebrating James Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. James Brown, shit. Nah, damn, I was going to get into a speech, but let me chill out. Next one's good.

Rakim or Big Daddy Kane? Rakim. Okay. You liking this right now? You're like chill out. Next one's good. Rakim or Big Daddy Kane? Rakim. Okay. You liking this right now? You're like, all right, that's cool. Okay. Rihanna or Beyonce? I'm going to stop saying this question for the record. We are not putting black women against each other anymore. Both. Oh, shit. We drinking.

But it did work. Both. Well, you're doing it in the next one. Yeah, you say the next one then. Lauryn Hill or Missy? Damn. Both. My liver says I don't know any more about you.

And what's your name, by the way? 13. 13, you said it. My bad. We're going to take 13 of these motherfuckers. Jeez. Whoa. I think we already hit 13.

Yeah, we had 13 right there. Damn. All right. Y'all was really planning on doing that? Yeah, and that's why we told them to slow it down. Ooh, okay. You ready? This is a good one.

This is a good one. Snoop Dogg or Ice Cube? Oh, man. Both. Y'all going to get drunk, man. You know what's crazy, though? I like the way he's saying both. He's just saying it mad smooth.

He's smooth. Yeah, he ain't picking nothing. Yeah, so I look. I got the next one. Please. Outkast or UGK? All right, don't worry about it, one. Please. Outkast or UGK? Skip. All right, don't worry about it, buddy.

Relax. Outkast. Or UGK. Oh, you said Outkast? Yeah, I don't know who UGK is. Okay, public enemy? Who? Public enemy or NWA?

Public enemy or NWA for both. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I'm going to take a shot at both of that. Even if you were to pick one. I would have picked one. Yeah, I would have going to lie. I'm going to take a shot at the bow for that. Even if you were to pick one. I'm going to take a shot. Yeah, I would have picked one. I would have picked one. And they're like brothers,

almost, like Public Enemy and NWA. Like coastal brothers. I mean, when Cube left NWA, he went to the bomb squad. Yeah, right. That's right. Okay.

House Party. Yeah, legends. House Party or Harlem Nights? You was in House Party I was in House Party But I love Like Harlem Nights Harlem Nights is what I grew up

That had all the grits in it I love it I love it Wow You know that's my era The haberdashery they was wearing That's the shit we used to wear In high school Was that the shit we used to wear in high school.

Was that the last movie Redd Foxx was in? Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Cotton Come to Harlem and that one. Wow. So you going Harlem nights?

Yeah. Okay. I skipped one. You want to get that? I like the new house party. I haven't watched it. I heard it was pretty good. At LeBron's house?

At LeBron's house? You talking about that one? Okay, yeah. I haven't watched it. I heard it was pretty good. At LeBron's house? At LeBron's house? You talking about that one? Okay, yeah, I didn't see it. Yeah. You didn't watch it before us? Surprise the fuck out of me. And I heard they really filmed it at LeBron's house. I heard LeBron gave it a year.

I think he's a part of the production, if I'm not wrong. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think he owns it. I thought so. That was really a crib. Go ahead, you ready? All right, Dr. Dre or Eric Sermon? Oh. Oh.on? Oh.

Oh. Oh. We got Erykah Badu. And who? Erykah Badu or Alicia Keys? Erykah. Okay. I want to ask, but I don't want to ask.

You want me to ask? Wait, which one? The comedian? No, about Erica's incense. Go ahead, man. No, you ask. No, you just brought it up. Y'all drunk, man.

You brought it up, so you ask. You ever heard of Erica Bardo's incense? Erica Bardo's incense? Yeah, her incense line. You see? Or something like that? Yeah. It's melted

but I was scared to ask as a married man I don't think I can come in the house with Eric Wadu incense I'm just being honest

I don't know how to have that conversation I want to support though I want to support can you consider that a collector's item if you bought it as merch I guess you can't open it you can't open it but at some point I'm going to take a shit. I want to support. Can you consider that a collector's item if you bought it as merch? I guess you can't open it.

You can't open it. But at some point, I'm going to take a shit and I'm going to be like, let me light the incense. Let me light the incense. I'm going to smell that shit. But that's it. Yeah. I had to ask. I had to ask.

Oh, man. I had to ask. My bad. Okay. Ooh, this is a good one. Eddie Murphy or Richard Pryor? Ooh, this is a good one. Eddie Murphy or Richard Pryor? Ooh, this is a good one. Both.

Jeez, the win. We definitely passed 13 now, 13. I got it all right here. I got it all right. Oh, shit. I missed it. Oh, shit. I didn't.

Holy shit. You got the next one? You responsible for me Nah you get it Pharrell or Kanye? Pharrell Podcast or radio? Radio

Radio today Or radio ever Ever Whatever you want Ain't enough radio I mean Radio Okay I respect that

Analog or digital Analog Can't replace that sound Yeah that unique sound Yeah Go ahead you go Whitney Houston or Aretha Franklin Aretha Can't replace that sound. Yeah, that unique sound, yeah. Go ahead, you go. Whitney Houston or Aretha Franklin?

Aretha. Okay. Al Pacino or Robert De Niro? Oh, shit, both. Goddamn. We had one more boat left in there? Yeah, that was it. That was it.

We got the last, last one. Last, last one. We got one more. We got one it. We got the last, last one. Last, last one. We got one more. We got one more. This is the last one. Everyone thinks this last question is a trick question. Me and EFN don't think it. We think this is the only time you should say both.

Are you kidding? Well, not only time, but most of the time that we should say both. This is the last question. It's called loyalty or respect. Respect. You want to explain? It's supposed to be both, but I think respect. Okay.

Why? Why? Why? You just prefer it. I just prefer it. Mm-hmm. I don't know. It just seems like it cover more ground.

Right. I respect that. Ain't got to be loyal to me. He ain't got to be loyal to you either. All right. You got to respect me, cool. Yeah. We cool.

Mm-hmm. Respect, well, I'm going to still take a shot to that anyway. And that is the end of Quick Time with Sly. And that's the end of Quick Time with Sly. Oh my God. Salute. Hey. Hey.

Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. I'm going to still take a shot to that anyway. And that is the end of Quick Time with Sly. And that's the end of Quick Time with Sly. Oh, my God. Salute. Wait, so. Now we can get back to seat.

At one time, the word funk was a bad word. It was a curse word, right? Yeah, you got your ass whipped for saying funk. Funk. Yeah. I mean, lots of words like that. I mean, funk, you think of, I mean, bitch. Yeah. I mean, lots of words like that. I mean, funk, you think of, I mean, bitch. Right.

It's a female dog. Right. Right. I mean, but it's been taken so far out that I don't think nobody even know that connotation of it being that. Right, right. You know, it's like the atomic dog. Dogs. I'm into dogs.

That was one of my pet peeves. That dogs were probably man's best friend. But when you want to give somebody an example of how bad you treat them, treat them like a dog. Wow. Or the vibe you put on when somebody say, bitch.

You know, it's like so intense. I'm doing a Broadway play. Right. About that concept about dogs. How much time we got? No, no, we good. We good. You can take bathroom breaks. We can have dinner here.

We can do whatever we want. This is the story. U.S. custom Coast Guard dope dog. Nickname Bustam. Like most dope sniffing dogs, he's got a habit. Trained to have to have it pick up the tracks of the traffickers and track them like a rabbit up the coastline canine control substance retriever receiver of the golden nose award for leading them to the cash cashing in on the stash now he's in line for his issue of the booty. Never do he do a line in the line of duty.

He's a dope dog. A U.S. custom Coast Guard dope dog, keen sense of smell, tracking the telltale trails of cartel dope boats. Big dope. Never a gram, O.Z., kilo. Too low key. Gotta be tons of people.

Bells of lumbo. While other dogs are sniffing one another's tail. He can track the profit from a dope sale. Straight to the stink account. Big banks. Banking on dirty money, not stinking. As the wind blows, he follow his nose.

Omak uncle had some drugs. C-I-A-I-O. And with those drugs, he bought some arms. C-I-A-I-O and with those drugs he bought some arms C-I-A-I-O there was a bang bang here and a snort snort there here bang there snort bang and snorts everywhere

old Mac Uncle starts a war C-I-A-I-O and the war on drugs is hell on a dope dog nose it smells where the nose goes when the doors close. And the dealer want to hide the dope in the booty, in the twat. Then they squat and make the dog sniff their bowel, foul as they fart in his face. Damn, for a shitty half a gram, an undercover narc with a bark took a bite out of crime.

Posing as a C&I dog He bit the blind Man with the cane made of coke As sure as the dope boats float The meaty goes comatose Unrelated over-the-counter overdose Now become drug-related Aided and abetted by a lot of apprehension And indifference

The bigger the headache The bigger the pill Y the bigger the pill. Y'all can take your medicine now, because you're going to be ill when I tell you the deal on dope. There's more profit in pretending that we're stopping it than selling it. Mmm.

Mmm. Bro, you coming with the Contra affair? You coming with the War on Drugs? I'm going to be honest The pill epidemic I'm going to be honest This shit was so crazy I didn't know whether to clap Or say amen You clap and you say amen I bowed my head at one point

I was like oh shit Yo oh That was deep That was deep It's a play The whole thing is about dogs and their relation to drugs. Some dogs they use to test chemicals on for perfume. Some dogs they use for drug sniffing.

And you don't have to give the dogs a habit. Yeah, they're going to make them happy. And have a shorter lifespan. If it go up your nose, you get nine. And that's the whole thing. We saw him doing it at this college when he was training the dogs. And that's when I realized, damn. And so I've been.

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Now, one thing that's amazing, right, is I'm looking at a good friend of ours, a friend of the show, DJ Khaled. DJ Khaled, I think he just announced that he's celebrating his 14th album. Not sure. No one did. I'm not sure. No one did. I wouldn't doubt it, but.

Right? So I think, and he's opening a Snipe store in South Beach. So he's announcing his 14th album. So I'm searching, and again, it blew my fucking mind. Y'all threw out 19 albums in 1970. Oh, yeah. 19 albums. In one year?

No, no. We thought DMX was crazy. We thought it out too. In the 70s. In the 70s or 1970s? The 70s. 70s. But 19?

I know, that's crazy. I mean, more than that probably because we was doing what's called industrial music, which is like punk rock. They call it new wave. Was that in England? England and here. We did a lot of those. A lot of people just now finding out about, you know,

it was like the Chili Peppers but a little heavier, a little harder. Right. It was really, and they were sampling records. They was doing like hip hop. Right.

Sampling it with rock and roll band playing with it. You know, with the heavy metal. Right. That was the concept. Was it Rage Against the Machines?

Something like that. Rage, like Rage. Oh my God, those are my boys. Yeah, yeah. We toured a lot with them too. Does nobody not get along with you, just so you know? Huh?

There's no one in this world that don't get along with you. Oh no, that's another thing. We made sure, I tell the band that you get along with whoever the fuck is on the show, whether we close in an opening. Right. You know, because everybody want to work with you. Yeah. That's an easy one. You know what I mean? You just got to figure to work with you. Yeah. That's the easy one.

You know, I mean, you just figure out where they at. Some of them, you have to stay out of their way. It's the ultimate network. You know, some of them is. Really? What you mean by stay out of their way?

I mean, some people. I don't think, to me, right, I'm 45, right? Some might consider me an old man. Some might consider me young, right? But to me, from my generation,

everyone salutes you. Everyone. Oh, no, that's what I'm saying. That's how you get saluted. You stay out of some people's way. They salute your ass too. That's what I'm concerned of. What do you mean stay out of some people's way? I mean, some people just have their thing that they do.

They don't want to conform to being friends with nobody. Right. None of that. Like Patti LaBelle sat here in the same seat, and Patti LaBelle said there was one artist that she couldn't stand. Oh. Not Aretha Franklin. Not Aretha Franklin. She wasBelle said there was one artist that she couldn't stand. Oh. Not Aretha Franklin.

Not Aretha Franklin. She was just saying that there was one artist that she couldn't stand. It was a younger artist. It was a younger artist. And she just, like, avoided her. Oh, yeah. Not saying, like, you can avoid some people that keep you in check. You have to avoid some people.

You got to be able to read people. That's what it is. Yeah. And they end up liking you, too. Right. Because they know they ain't got no problem able to read people. That's what it is. And they end up liking you too. Right. Because they know they ain't got no problem with you. Right. You know, but you said Patty.

I saw Patty the thing. I used to do Patty and Nona's both. I used to do their hair. Really? When they were like Patty LaBelle and the Bluebells. That's what they were called. I sold my heart to the junk man in 1959, 60, 1960. I used to do their hair.

Patti had little waves in her hair. No one I didn't notice hair as late as the 97. I did her hair in Paris just for a PR thing. Chills is literally going through my body right now. Yeah, I used to do a barbershop. We had a barbershop. We did stars here. Everybody came through Jersey. So not just Plainfield?

No, Newark is 15 miles from Plainfield. I mean, everybody came through Newark and New York. I worked in New York at Playboys on 7th Avenue and 125th Street. So you did all kind of stars here. Wow. I mean, Dion, you know her kind of stars here. Wow. I mean,

Dion, you know her husband, Bill Elliott, the drummer, used to do his hair. I mean, all kind of, I can name drop all day

when it comes to the hair. We're taking a shot just cause. I got my shot ready. Yeah, I'm taking a shot just cause.

We taking a hair shot? Yo, listen, I ain't gonna lie, I don't, like, I think since Patti LaBelle's been here,

I don't think I've ever had chills like this. And I got, like, I think since Patti LaBelle's been here, I don't think I've ever had chills like this. And I got, like, deeper chills because I'm learning shit that I've, like, I thought I knew everything about you

and it's like, I don't. Like, it just keeps growing and growing and growing. I love you. You didn't talk. I be thinking of shit that I've been getting.

A lot of this stuff, I mean, for these kind of shows, shit. Yeah, nah. There's too many players to even know everything. But let me ask, let me throw a left field question. You took a shot. No, I got my shot. This is a left-field question

Um, how about Little Richard you ever met Little Richard? We met Little Richard at Rock-and-roll Hall of Fame Myself Eddie in the OJs Who else wait Wait up, wait up. Time out. Hold on, hold on, hold on. In the OJs. Hold on, hold on, hold on, guys. Hold on, guys. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Oh, no, these dudes. Eddie's like. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me just tell you how to floss just now. I just said, did you ever meet Louie Richie? He's like, yeah. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Who the fuck answers like that?

Yeah, because I remember that was one of the first places that I met him and talked to him. I knew him over the years, but we was on something... In Cleveland, right? In Cleveland, yeah. They was just getting it together a couple of years after they got together and we had to go there and I gave some kind of

one of my costumes or something, myself, him, Eddie, and then somebody else. I just can't remember who it was. But another one of the older guys from that era. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Little Richard. Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley.

Rock and roll. That's the era that I started the group in. You're telling me you did a show with Elvis. No, no, I didn't do a show with Elvis. I tried to write songs for him. What's your take on Elvis? You know, there's all these mixed takes on Elvis. Some rock people would be like, he stole our shit.

No, I mean, you want people to do your shit. You want people to cover your records. I mean, that's what songwriting is for. You want somebody else to do it. Now, he might have did it too soon and got more publicity than you, but that's the game you're in. You know, yeah. I mean, it was just what was happening.

And a lot of pop stations wouldn't play R&B versions of it, but they'd play Doug, Patty, Elvis's, what is his name, Pat Boone. He did a lot of our stuff at the same time the black artists would have them out now that hurt your feelings wait wait

I'm saying wouldn't it be just straight racist at that point all this shit is racist I mean it's not crossover crossover sounds like it's black the whole system is that. I mean, the whole system is that.

I mean, we're still trying to evolve out of that, but everything has been that, trying to, you know, even come on out of it and evolve into what we're fighting for now. Right. But yeah, that's what it was. I mean, you know, it's just, it's normal then. It's normal now, but it's not as bad as it was then.

Because as soon as you got a hit record, the pop station would find somebody to do it, and they'd play theirs. Now, that really hurt. Wait, wait, wait, you're going too fast. You said as soon as you had a hit record, the pop stations would get... Somebody would cover it,

and they'd play their version first. Oh, that's so hard. Because that was what they knew could work in that time. And let me just straight up ask, that's what Elvis was doing? Yeah, I mean, they were the first. They were like some of the first, so yeah, that's what he was doing. Wow. In New York, Mary Decay, who's out of Brooklyn,

he used to have shows with everybody on it. It'd be R&B, sing, black and white and pop and everything before the stations broke themselves up into playing R&B, pop. Everybody tried to get their own niche. That's when it separated into the real hard thing where you have to cross over to get to the pop station and get a hit record. But it still was in the hood only. You know, you had to go through that until the underground stations,

which was the FM stations at the time. What? Nope. AM was the main station. AM was the main station. AM was the main station. And FM was,

nobody was on FM, but gospel. This is fucking up our whole childhood right now. I mean, it's just not our generation. Everybody's childhood. Niggas is fucking up our whole childhood right now. I mean, it's just not our generation. Niggas is like, word? Jazz was jazz, gospel, rock, heavy metal.

I mean, not heavy metal, but rock, underground rock. Not your average, just pop rock. They couldn't get on the underground station. They were the only ones that liked FM because FM is bigger. FM had bigger things. Bigger reach, right. AM was the hood. You ride across town, the station change on you.

As soon as you get across town, it'll fade out. It was more localized, right. And then another. And then 70s. I mean, FM started to become. BLS probably was one of the first. In New York. Yeah, to start becoming, playing regular.

Which is the first, I think, had a hip-hop York. Yeah, to start becoming or playing regular. Which is the first I think had a hip hop show. Yeah, it was. I mean, WWRL was the other station. Mr. Magic. It played, it was the pop version

but when BLS come out it was the big station and plus they sounded better. It was in stereo. AM wasn't in stereo. Right. You know, Wow.

AM was just two speakers playing the same thing. So was it just because AM was always just first and two speakers playing the same thing so was it just because AM was always just first and then FM was the new thing that started coming in both AM stations had an FM station they had both of them but nobody just listened to them

nobody had no stereo radios it was what they were listening on it wasn't ready for FM yet I mean they were a bigger station but you didn't get that stereo with the music travel. Right, right. And that became popular when Jimi Hendrix came out,

the Beatles came out, and all those people just started playing with it. Mixing it like that. Mixing it like that, where you started hearing shit running around. Then FM became, started becoming popular in the 70s. Wow. I mean, groups like James Brown and us,

it was always AM, it was straight AM. You know, that's why it was such good dance music. You know, James Brown's song, we used to call him 2 for 19 Slim because it was that tight, you know, real tight dance music. You know, you couldn't listen to another album of that. Not even, it's another album of that.

It's hard to do that. Our first records, they get on your nerve, all that banging. But when FM come in, you can get the colors of the stereo and stuff. Then you actually appreciate it. Let me ask you real quick.

Is there something to the idea that they said that a lot of music popped off in the 70s, late 60s, and early 70s because of the soldiers coming back from Vietnam, what they were listening to. That's what we played, too. When we did Maggot Brain, Free Your Mind, Your Ass from Falling, America Eats Its Young. Those were the songs that the soldiers came back saying that helped them through. Get through the tour. We were playing to the war. I mean, we was getting that from the rock groups

from Europe who was talking about that stuff. We peeped that and we were able to do it. America Eats Its Young provocative type concept like biological speculation. Stuff like that. I was saying stuff that

I knew was political or social. Not trying to be no preacher. Right. I always avoided that. You know, people want to, we did it just to bring it up to make you think. It was like more like what if. Right. Because we say some absurd things that I wasn't into, but just I know that people are into.

But we do it just because. For the shock value? Like public enemy shit. Not for the shock value, just, so, what if this was the case? Right.

But there's somebody that's saying this. So we would mirror what the street is saying. That's what art do. Art usually mirrors what society is talking about, what they're doing.

And it ain't the artist. It's just, this is what we see. Right, it's reporting. This is what we're reporting on. That's what hip hop came along and was doing the same thing. Same exact thing. With the same concept of playing the dozens.

Ease that dozens into news. That's what, I mean, even say N.W.A. I was solo New York rap. Straight out of Compton, Sam, for you guys. But I wasn't even into the West Coast being hardcore gangster rap. To me, it was like... They were into you being hardcore.

They had grass in the front yard in both parents' homes. I'm from New Jersey with concrete everything. You had to be in the projects to be that kind of... But out there, they had grass. They picked it so vividly. That changed hip-hop forever.

And they were telling the truth. Right. They was telling the news of what was going on. And I thought, Compton, I'm like, this ain't no ghetto. This look cute to me. I'm in New York

and the projects on Prince Street in Newark, Fort Greene projects in Brookland. Yeah, Fort Greene. That was hard. I'll be square more. But sure enough,

the shit was popping. The shit was popping off. And to hard. I'll be square more. But sure enough, the shit was popping. The shit was popping off. And to me, I began to be more afraid of being there, you know, because ain't nothing worse than somebody shooting at you.

Too scared to, you know, just shooting. Right. And that's the way it was. Nobody was versed in being gangsters. That was just

what was happening. Mm-hmm. In New York, it was almost over by the time it was happening out there. Police would tell you, man, don't blow my job, man. Come on. I know you lost your job in problem, blah, blah, blah. But they give you a break. Right. It was hard as hell in L.A.

You wouldn't get no breaks. Yeah. Right. So let me ask you. That's all. You went fishing one time in the Bahamas and you saw aliens? I went fishing lots of times in the Bahamas.

No, but I ain't seen the aliens. I seen a UFO... Well, UFO... I don't know how to put it. Me neither. I mean, right now, the government is saying there's UAPs, UFOs.

I've been convinced of that. I'm so convinced of that. Okay, but describe this moment. Any day now, I'm ready for that to jump off. That would not surprise me. But I'm saying what happened, he's talking about Bootsy and I

was riding in Toronto and we saw like a laser. Midday. Middle of the day. Nice, right? Laser in daylight. That's a weird look. That's a thing, right? Yes. We saw it. Hit the ground about a couple of blocks in front of us.

We got there. Didn't see. I said, what was that? He said, I don't know. So we drove another three minutes. The same thing came down through. Now we're off the highway. We're on a secondary street. Come right down through the trees, two blocks in front of us. We see it right out of the sky and right through the trees.

And when it hit the ground, it looked like electricity splattering. It's popping. Okay, we see that. It landed on the same side of the street we were on. Next one landed in the same block now, on the same side of the street we were on. Next one landed in the same block now, on the other side of the street. And I reached for the radio to turn it down and look. And then the third one hit the car on the passenger side.

It beaded up like mercury in a thermometer. You know, the mercury in a thermometer. I do not know about mercury in a thermometer. It's liquefied and it's silver, like liquid looking. And dribbled over the side of the car. Yes. Now, this is only like three minutes from where we just seen the laser.

I mean, the one that looked like a laser. Right. I love this story. But when we hit the car, our attention for like years, I didn't think about this for years, was on the fact that the streetlights were going down. They were dimming. They were dimming.

Right. The streetlights was on and they were going off. The car lights was doing that, was dimming. You could see way down two blocks in front of you the lights going out and boots you're driving. I said, what is it? I said, hell, don't get the fuck out of here. That's a normal reaction.

We get about three blocks and look to the left, you can see streetlights on and it looked like traffic was moving. We get to the house, parked in the driveway, and don't say shit, we sat there for like three minutes. And my daughter walks out and said, wow,

y'all look like y'all seen a ghost. And she said, you know, give me a hug, I'm going to bed. Now remember, I told you the weirdest thing about seeing it the first time that it was in daylight. This was only like five minutes away

from where that was. Now it's dark? Now it's dark, and she's going to bed. So time lapse. So that means it's 7 o'clock. We did not think about that for at least 10 years. You guys got abducted. We did not think about the fact that that time discrepancy from the

first time we saw it to the street lights going out, to her going to me. I had to call Bootsy. I'm on the road years later and say, when I thought about it like that, I said, what time did we get to Toronto? He said, 10 or so in the morning. I said, right.

We saw the light the first time. I said, it was daylight. I said, it was daylight, right? He said, yeah, it saw the light the first time. I said, it was daylight. I said, it was daylight, right? He said, yeah, it was daylight. It was weird. That's what made it weird. That it was in daylight. I said, it's only three blocks from there to where the light hit the car.

I said, why was the streetlights going out? Why were they even on? And why was Barlarella going to bed at seven at night? He said, man, fuck you. He said, what happened to that time? We never

thought about that. Which is classic abduction stories. And I gotta ask, was there any drugs involved? No. No psychedelic, no fungidelic. The thing is, we had just come from Detroit from the studio.

Had to come to custom. Because you know, Detroit and Canada right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had to come to custom. Which you know, went to a former,

so we had to come to custom. We ain't coming to custom with no drugs. Matter of fact, I had to go look for some after that. Right. That shit fucked you up so much.

I respect that. That's, that's, and that was... Oh, yeah, that, I believed in that. Anyway, I'm a Star Trek freak. So all of that, I believe in. You believe in ghosts too, right? You believe in aliens? I believe in ghosts too, and I believe in aliens.

I mean, one of them shits. One of them shits. I mean, I'm interested. I'm interested in it. Wow, man. Yeah, but like I said. So, you know, remember the time you was fishing

and you saw aliens in Bahamas? No, he remembers it. No. All right, because I've seen the story where you were describing where you was fishing in the Bahamas. So, you've been seeing aliens a lot.

He hasn't seen the aliens though. He's seen lights in the sky. Whoever that situation was, we didn't get to see who was doing it. He didn't see homie in them. I believe that shit. You believe that shit? Hell yeah.

Oh, shit. Oh, man. So right now, with the government saying all the stuff they're saying, that must be wild after you've seen something like that in the past. I'm just waiting. I've been convinced of that shit, you know.

You know, Puerto Rico, they say they got the biggest alien shit going on. Nah, I'm not going to lie. The one coming out the water. They got a big thing. Chupacabra? No, bro. Chupacabra, baby. No, Chupacabra's not real, man. Hey, hey.

Chupacabra's you when you get too drunk. Hey. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Hold on. I actually want to go. I was trying to go through a bunch of the records that sampled you guys.

1,800 records they sampled you? More than that. It's like 2,600 or 2,700. Let's just say More than that It's like It's more by now It's like 26 or 2700 But look Let's just say Some of the songs

In hip hop And this is just some This doesn't even Scratch the surface Alright Me, myself, and I De La Soul De La Soul

Two versions of it Dre Day Dr. Dre Who am I? Snoop Come on, come on Dre Day Dre Day Which one is on. Dre Day.

Dre Day. Which one is Dre Day? I mean, I'm probably the worst one to... Yeah, that was not good. No, it was better than your rendition. Okay, we'll get back to that. How to Survive in South Central Ice Cube. Okay. Classic.

Golddigger, EPMD. Stranded on Death Road, Dre. Funkin' Lesson, X-Clan. You got Strader Compton, which I said earlier, NW, which is crazy. I know you got Soul, Eric B. and Rakim.

We had 12 songs in Strader Compton. On that album? Strader Compton, the movie. Oh, in the movie. Oh, 12. God damn it. Hey, a couple more, a couple more.

You got, I said, I Know You Got Soul, Eric B. and Rakim, Blue Cheese, UMC's, Static by J. Rue the Damager, Teacher, Teacher, Slick Rick, and I mean, I could keep going,

to be honest with you. Keep going, keep going. No, no, I stopped. I was writing them all. I was going through records that I love and I was like oh man oh man

I started writing them nah that is and he's recorded records with Cube and Pac and I'm sure there's a lot more than that

in hip hop underground we did a lot together matter of fact we did an album together Children of the P it was like

one of their last ones were you close with Shock G? Yeah. And it's crazy, because he was in Tampa, and you live in Tallahassee now. Yeah, we did a lot of stuff together. Him and Pee Wee did stuff on our records, too.

He was really tight. You know, it sucks to say he was. Before they was rapping, they had a singing group. Yeah, you said that earlier. They had a band. And you remember the name of that band? No, I don't.

I don't. I do remember that Pac was dancing. Yeah. Yeah, I do remember that. Was he a good dancer? Huh? Was he a good dancer, Pac? Well, that era, yeah.

Flat Top, Gumby. Yeah. What was your take on Pac since you knew him from back then to later on? He was an intelligent dude. I mean, and they had such good material as digital underground. Yeah. You know, that it was. It was creative, very creative.

And he was right for the time, whatever that time was. He was the one that, that thing came through him. Whatever it was, he had the right tempo for whatever it was. You know, because I used to tell him, man, be careful, man. These police, they're going to get you.

You can't just shoot them in the booty and get away with it. Even though you got out of it, I'd be looking over my shoulders right now on and that's when he got in trouble with the girl and you know everything it's it was just scary but um and it happened fast too because people it seems like a long time but it all happened pretty fast you know but that era i didn't trust nothing you know government, all what was going on. Because I know they was trying to get rid of hip-hop was more of a danger getting along.

You know, like if East Coast and West Coast would have got together, that was a dangerous thing for the country. Right. Because the authority was concerned. And I thought a lot of people was going to get played with that one. I was really worried about, are you with East Coast? What? I mean, that wasn't a concept. It wasn't a thing.

You know, to me, everybody's got to be together. Right. And the thing about you is, your music's so bright and so universal. I don't think, I think you're one of those guys that people think you're from out of the planet.

Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? My band used to, my band used to try to get me to be a preacher, but that was the acid. That was the acid. I read a few books

that had some positive shit in it, and that shit stuck. What book did you read? Please, do you remember? I mean, I look at them now, and they was just like, shit you read, get it on a remember? I mean, I look at them now, they were just like, get in a magic store or some shit. You know, just had that positive.

Everybody uses it. Every organization would use certain principles, and they work, and they're real. But nobody really. Like affirmations and things like that. Yeah, that type of shit. But I was on acid,

and I believed the fuck out of it. And to me, it actually worked now that I see. I avoided a lot of shit by not being upset at shit. Right. Because I was able to like, oh, that's, I ain't got nothing. It ain't about me. I mean, I knew I didn And then I'd pick out the best Sides of shit

And somebody I can always find The positive side of it And the rest of it I don't need that shit If I ain't got the It don't bother me That they do it

I just stay out of that part And I get the part That I need Especially musicians You can't do no wrong If you great I want the music To create the other bullshit

I ain't got to sleep with you So the ego and all of that You're like As long as you great As long as the music. If they don't do bullshit, I ain't got to sleep with you. So the ego and all of that, you're like, as long as you're great, as long as you can play a half of. I mean, you need an ego to do this business. You absolutely need to be an artist in any type of art. You just have to know how to reel that motherfucker in. You have to manage it. Because it'll work without you if you don't let it. The ego's the only thing that gives you the confidence to move forward and go out in front of people.

Yeah, you just have to know. I'm a ham. I'll put it as simple as know. I'm a ham. You know, I'll put it as simple as that. I'm a ham, so I know I take pictures all day. I can show off like a motherfucker on stage,

but I know better than that shit believing that I'm all that. When I feel like I need to say that, I go in the bathroom, you're a bad motherfucker. You just flush the toilet and leave that shit in there. When you come out,

when you come out, when you come out, there's going to be some mother tell you, you ain't shit. You know, and you got to deal with it. If it leaves you, your feelings hurt. Now, fuck that. Nah. You know what that. I'm good with it.

Nah. That's awesome. You know what? Like I said, when we locked this interview down, I just kept researching you, researching you, and the one thing that I noticed is

artists throughout the years, sometimes they smile, get dimmer, and they don't, they don't, their smile doesn't seem the same. One thing about you is your smile got brighter.

Hey man, when the pandemic came down, you know, I've been painting. I've been doing that for, you know, doodling for a long time. When the pandemic came out, we didn't have nothing to do. My wife bought me a bunch of canvases. I got in the house

and I started painting. I've been doing so good with selling art lately I mean we just did that a few minutes ago for y'all oh I'm taking that home Jonah how you jacking all of us but that's what

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on Apple Podcasts. And that's like... I didn't even peep that. I thought that was like somebody writing graffiti because, you know... Yeah, he was doing graffiti. You know, we racist and shit.

So, like, I thought it was a Spanish guy just here just going crazy. It was. It was a Spanish guy as well. I'm joking. I wasn't joking. Oh, that guy right crazy. It was. It was a Spanish guy as well. I'm breaking it. What's going on? Oh, that guy right there?

All right. He's from around here in Miami. All right. He painted up the whole thing. Yeah, come on. So you told him to do this, and he just did it? No, he's been doing this. He was doing that.

He was doing this here before we came here. So this is the funk is in full effect. We got a concept called Art Bullies. Him, Jonah, myself, and this guy that do our album covers, Overton Lloyd. Art bullies. We've been doing this since Art Basel started around then.

Right. She had us down here. You was coming here before Wynwood was a tourist trap. Yeah. Because that's when we was all... I used to have a boat right over in the marina.

Because this was the dirt back then. That's why the graffiti writers were out here because the cops wasn't coming here. He was one of the first ones that had us down here doing that shit. Police was still running out of here. Now I come back now, look at the whole city is graffitied out.

Graffitied out? With duck tours. Yeah, art bullies. So that's one of the things too that stood out to me about these albums that you were putting out. It was the black superhero kind of theme. Like, it was like,

and I think I remember you hearing you say something about those albums in the 70s, at least, when I go and research it. And I think I mean, he say, you know, the artist might die, but the character would never die. Characters never, that was always one of my theories.

Characters never, Mickey Mouse and all that should be around forever. Yeah. You ain't realize that's Mickey Mouse. You want to get these out of here.

That's Mickey Mouse 1300. Yeah. You don't even realize that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's the way I look at it. I try to do my characters like that,

like say Atomic Dog. We got a thing with the Q-Dog that's coming out. That's coming out any minute now is the Q-Dog's version of Atomic Dog. It's going to blow everybody. Amen, by the dog. I mean, for real. For real. I mean, you're going to see some political shit on this.

I mean, the Qs be stomping on this. But we keep the characters alive. You know, that... But let me just reiterate what I'm trying to say. It was the black superhero characters that we had never seen. But you see a lot of them now, don't you? Yeah, now. I mean, since Rwanda...

Wakanda? Wakanda, yes. That came out, and now all these... And Hancock, let's just throw that... All of that. I mean, Reggie Hutton, we was working with him when he first got out of college. He'd been playing on doing P-Funk, and now Eddie Murphy's getting ready to do me. He's playing me Wiz Khalifa.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He's playing me right now. Wait. That's coming out. Oh, my thing. Get some of that. Okay, so Eddie Murphy playing you. He's playing me in one coming out.

Wiz Khalifa is playing me right now. They got one called Spinning Gold, which is about Casablanca. You know, Donna Summer's kiss in Parliament and all that stuff. Neil Bogart. That'll be out in two or three weeks. Spinning Gold. And Wiz is playing myself. He did a pretty good weeks. Spinning gold. And that's, and Wiz is playing myself.

He did a pretty good job. I saw that. Why? And was you smoking weed back then? Smoking weed. Oh, I mean, I did.

No, we weren't smoking weed back then. Because I'm wondering, when is Wiz going to smoke? No, we was doing, we was doing, it was coke then.

It was cocaine. It was coke. The little bottles,? No, we was doing, we was doing, it was coke then. It was cocaine. Oh, God. It was coke. The little bottles, you know, around your neck with the chain. Wait a minute,

I've never heard this. Wait a minute, you have bottles around your neck? You had a bump? Everybody had, I mean, that was Hollywood. Wait, hold on. Y'all had necklaces full of cocaine?

Necklaces with little bottles. Remember cocaine? They didn't even, it wasn't, they didn't even know what it was. It wasn't illegal. I never heard of necklace full of cocaine.

Cuban links. That's the original Cuban links. That's the original Cuban links. That's the Colombian links. The Colombian links. Oh, that was, you know, and then, you know, it got so wild

and pretty soon then everybody was doing lines and that became, later on, we wasn't, it was, it started out next. Little spoons and shit. Ooh. You know, Pretty soon then everybody was doing lines, and that became later on. We wasn't, it was dainty. So it started out next. Little spoons and shit.

Ooh. You know, then people went crazy and started overdoing shit. Right, because no one knew what cocaine was back then. Not in the hood. You knew what marijuana was. Yeah, not in the hood. Some people did. Right.

People with money did. And then I feel like the people that came around, they went like this. It was a money thing. They moved their hands like this. Yeah came around, they went like this. It was a money thing. They moved their hands like this. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It was like upper society was doing.

Yeah. You know, like you see the old classical people with their little toots in their ring. That's wild. And they'd be at the opera. Yeah. They had the opera. That was a money thing. Yeah.

Yeah. When they made it where it get in the street. When it hit to the hood, the hood fucked it up. Had to cook it. The hood had to hood fucked it up Had to cook it The hood Had to cook it Put water on it The hood put Obey On that shit

Had bacon soda The hood done put Obey and barbecue sauce I had a robe on With a box Of bacon soda on it That was That was

That was Like the emblem You know When I was ignorant I think you got me beat. Because you did that. He had a Newport box. I diamond out a Newport chain. No, the whole box

of bacon soda. No, bacon soda you got me beat. You win. You win. You win. You win. It was about it's called getting fucked up. And when you get fucked up, you do fucked up shit. Right, right. And that's all it was.

Everybody was out there who could get fucked up. Right. And who could do it, you know, whatever the styling is. Yeah. And looking back at it, it was stupid, but I got out of it. I'm going to tell you one of my first, not one of my first, but this is one of the first times I realized that Hollywood is different from New York. I had a pack of cigarettes. And I went to a Hollywood party.

Like a networking thing? Yeah, just a Hollywood party. And I had a pack of cigarettes. I put on a pack of cigarettes, and a white dude came up to me and said, hey, man, I'll give you an eight ball for that. Yeah. He said, take the whole thing, buddy.

I was like, what? I've seen that. He wanted a whole... He wanted a cigarette better. He wanted a cigarette better than a motherfucker. He had eight balls. He wanted a whole eight ball. Goddamn, we looking good.

Come on, let's go over there. Throw some tablas in there. Come on, you got to work, brother. You know, we fly him in from Peru. It's the Roblox. Oh, man, Peru. But we don't fly him in from Peru. He lives in America.

Oh, Peru. We fly him in. It's the Roblox. He's Peruvian, though. I think Peruvian. I don't think we. He did write it on a llama, though. And he just comes here to Roblox

and wrestle pigeons. He's a new child. And wrestle flamingo pigeons. Ruby and weed. That's our brother Boris right there, Beats in the Hood. He's a producer, actually. The boys came in with the goddamn flag.

So what is your favorite part of the game? Is it to make the record or perform the record? Wow. Probably performing it, but when I get a chance to make it under the conditions I like to make it in, I enjoy the hell out of that

because I do lots of crazy things, try all kinds of crazy shit in all different ways. So I like making it too, but I like performing it. Once we get on the stage that's second heaven for me. But you said you prefer analog over digital, right?

But now with all the things you can do with digital, when you are recording is there anything about digital you love that you could manipulate and do all these different sounds easier than you could with analog? Well, yeah. You can do a lot of stuff just faster and stuff like that. Oh, yeah.

And then the editing stuff that you can do. Right. You don't have to cut tape. You can look at the scope and do it. That's not even fair. Not auto-tune. We had to like. You literally had to cut tape to edit.

You had to cut the tape, little pieces of tape. We had tape all around, a beat everywhere. And if you put it upside down and put it back in there wrong, it's backwards for a second. You take it out and turn it over. We had tape. We had to cut up everything. Now you just look at the scope and the engineer I got now,

he don't even have to listen at it. He can give me an ED of a word just by the scope, the specs of the thing. That's easy. But the feeling of it. Right. Now, the analog. The feeling of two-inch tape is a whole other thing. And as heavy as a motherfucker.

Yeah. Even especially when they sample it. If they sample it off a record as opposed to the tape, that shit is hot. I mean, you listen back, you sample something like, listen to it, say, Run DMC. That was some hot shit. I mean, you know, like, damn. The bottom on it, and they put an 808 on that shit. It ain't the same as nowadays.

They do it. It still feel good it It's still good It's a whole other thing Did you ever hear There's a quote DJ Quick I think he was on Talib's podcast And Quick said something about

He felt that recording analog And on tape Because of the magnetism That's going on there That it's capturing the energy in the room I believe so And I believe that as well. Yeah, there's a thing.

You can actually record the sound of an empty studio. We just record the— Which is like static. That's magnet. Yeah, just the empty studio and put that on a track and have a track of just that empty studio in there and record the drums somewhere else. When you mix them together,

it's not like the drums are played at this studio. Wow. Certain studios have their own ambient sound. Just put mics up in the studio and record the studio, naked studio, and then go and put anybody anywhere else. It's cheating. I recorded this at United Sound, because the studio have a sound of its own.

Right. I mean, and it worked almost. I can tell any record. I can't tell any record, but I can pretty much guess when somebody was recording at this studio, I just know that vibe, you know, the ambience. You could be like, just record at a record plant. I used to be able to do that.

Yeah, record plant was easy, too. I lost that shit. Yeah, because everything is digital. The digital, yeah. I used to be like, this is a hit factory. This is Criteria. This is Sony. We mixed Tom McDawg and Criteria.

Criteria. Here in Miami? Here in Miami. That's how you know you're a super legend? That's a rich person. It's before Hit Factory. That's now Hit Factory. Yeah.

Yeah, it was Criteria. Yeah, we recorded when you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was Criteria's time. All right, thank you for making me feel old. I respect you. Bro, we're the same age. Relax.

Yeah, 82. 82. Wow. We're a little 90s. Yeah, BG's was doing that time. Relax. Yeah, 82. 82. Wow. We were a little 90s. Yeah, BGs was doing that time. Ooh.

The BGs were recording there? Yeah, BGs was living there. I mean, they live out here. They was living in that studio

at the time. They didn't have their own place then. Betty Wright. Oh, they were literally living there. Yeah. Betty Wright

was living there? Betty Wright, yeah. Her and her husband. Wow. Yo, this is... And Criteria's like, it's not like

in the hood. It's a court street. Oh, no, no. It's never been. I don't think that's ever been a nice area. It's been an industrial area forever.

Yeah, it was deep back then, too, yeah. Oh, yeah. Back then, I can imagine it's a little, too, yeah. Oh, yeah, back then, I can imagine. It's a little crass here. Yeah, that was when Miami Vice was out. Yeah. Cocaine everywhere.

Cocaine Cowboys, yeah. That was that time. The 80s was crazy in Miami. That was that time. Did you still have the little necklace? No, your necklace got bigger then. I used to live at the Sheridan Foy Ambassador. I think I might call it Intercontinental now.

Oh, pulled y'all call. Straight downtown. Yeah, yeah. It's still there? Uh-huh. I used to live there. Uh-huh. George Bush Sr. used to live there.

He was living there. When he was the CIA director? When he was CIA. Yeah, he used to live in the... Yeah, you When he was the CIA director? When he was CIA. Yeah, he used to live in the... Yeah, you was living with the CIA director? I forget. I'm just talking to y'all. We on live. Yeah, no.

We never had no George Bush Sr. story. Jesus. No, no, no. I used to live there and go fishing from there. I didn't even know George Bush Sr. lived in Miami. Must have been his Noriega days. 76, 77, and 8. I was born in 77, just so you know.

So I was there with y'all. I'm 75. In my mind. Hold up. Yeah, that's when the Miami Marina was right at the park there. Yeah. You were really like fishing. Boots and I, every time we'd get a hit record, was right at the park there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were really like fishing. Like fishing.

Boots and I, every time we get a hit record, we was down here and we'd go over to Bimini. We'd take the boat over to Bimini. And see aliens. Huh?

And see aliens. And see aliens. You heard about the Bimini? What is it? In the water, they got the stones. You heard about that? No, no.

They got these stones that they say, they think it's like part of Atlantis or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh got these stones that they say they think is like part of Atlantis or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Matt Randall. Nah, I mean, I ain't gonna lie.

I want to see some aliens in Benemini. In Benemini? Yeah, in Benemini. I want to go again. I love Bahamas. Bahamas is a beautiful place. Oh, yeah. It's a beautiful place. And yeah, I've been going to the Bahamas for years. I eat is a beautiful place. Oh, yeah. It's a beautiful place. And yeah, I've been going to the Bahamas for years. I eat too much conk.

Conk. Conk fritters. I've been eating conk fritters. I had conk coming out of my ears. I ate too much. And the first day I got a chance to get some soul food, they gave me a Bahama Mama. A drink?

That's the drink, right? And it was hot it was, you know, Kool-Aid. Okay, and it's hot outside. You're going to feel that even more. Oh, my God. I thought I had taken two tabs of Yellow Sunshine. That shit.

I mean, it had your ass. I mean, everything. And we was at a dinner with the president. I was begging President LeBembe. And they said, we got one. Because I was back, President of the Bimini. They said, we got one. Because I was like, somebody take me home.

I don't think I'm going to make it. He announced it loud to everybody at the table. I think we got one. He said, they had to take me home. I missed the dinner with all the good people. President of Bimini. You said yellow messed up? Was that yellow?

No, yellow sunshine.ad? Was that yellow? Was that? No, yellow sunshine. Was that mescaline? No, that was LSD-25. Damn, I ain't take that. LSD-25? I took mescaline. When that shit got a number, you know it's real.

LSD-25. Lysergic diethylamide. What? Lysergic diethylamide. That's a hell of a science term Oh that's an LSD sample? Yeah Oh I didn't know

That's a real I thought it was just A nigga named LSD No They named it out there Go ahead nigga During that And we was in Boston

At the time That Timothy Leary Bobby Brown sampled you too right? Oh yeah Yeah yeah I did live things with them Okay Yeah they went on tour with us that Timothy Leary and... Bobby Brown sampled you too, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I did live things with them. Okay.

Yeah, they went on tour with us on their first tour. You know, in Bobby Brown's book, he fried chicken with cocaine. I can dig it. No, I think they changed... That story was messed up, bro. No, he said it on Mike Tyson's shit. No, he admitted to it.

No, he changed the story up. No, no, he said it on Mike Tyson's shit. No, he admitted to it. No, he changed the story up. No, no, he admitted. He said it on Mike Tyson's shit. He did. Yes, he did. He didn't say he purposely cooked it. No, he didn't.

He thought it was flour. I never said it was on purpose. Oh, no, I know. I just said he fries cocaine. No, no, he thought it was flour, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I never...

I know that part. No, but it's the way we've always said the story. Oh, no. It sounds like he's like, oh, yeah. Let's go. Let's Yeah. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. Go ahead. You ain't never fried no chicken with cocaine. You ain't never fried no chicken with cocaine. No, no, no, but I've seen it done. You've seen it done? I've seen so much. I've seen him do everything.

But like I'm saying, we were in the Boston area when Timothy Leary and them discovered the LSD thing. Okay. That whole thing when the FBI was searching for them during the 70s. Yes. We were in Boston during that time. Because that was in the university, right?

The university. Right, right, right. Yeah. Matter of fact, that's where we got the answer from, those same kids, where you could actually, they pay you $60 to take it and watch it for four hours. Because they were tested.

Or like Pineapple Express. You never seen the movie? Yeah. Pineapple Express, they get you high and they monitor you. Oh, they was doing that with LSD?

Yeah, that's where it was at. And we had just gotten into Boston. No, that was 68. That's right, 68. Oh, my God. And so Led Zeppelin and those groups came through at 68. That's right, 68. Oh my God. Led Zeppelin and those groups

came through in 68. That was really the psychedelic. And they got put onto it here. Right. Wow, that changed music. That was my experience with acid that whole time. LSD and acid is the same thing, right? Yeah.

Okay. They ain't cousins. As a matter of fact, the guy came to Miami, one of the other professors, and he had a show here. He had a show? Remember Flipper? Yeah. The dolphin?

Yeah, the TV show. The dolphin, the guy that did that, had that show? Right. That was an undercover show for the scientists. Wait, the show was undercover show for the scientists. Wait, the show was undercover? It was undercover. That show was a cover for them doing

dolphin studies. With them doing LSD? No, no. The same guy that did the LSD in New York. Came here and had that show Flipper. It was cover. You can check it out. It's on there.

Flipper was a cover for them studying dolphins and using them in the... Until they started using them in the government during war. Oh, because they were doing the bomb things and all that. Yeah, that's when he quit. That's when he let them loose. It used to be right down to the aquarium, yeah. Wow.

They didn't get a dolphin's LSD. Might as well. I'm pretty sure they did. Yeah, they probably did. His name, a dude named John yeah. Wow. But they didn't get a dolphin's LSD. Huh? Might as well. I'm pretty sure they didn't. Yeah, they probably did. His name, dude named John C. Lilly. Check him out. John C. Lilly.

And then that's how the flipper started flipping. Yeah. Flipper started talking. Makes sense. Flipper was talking. Flipper said, what's up, man? Flipper came out the water.

But that was just a cover. All that stuff was a cover. That's crazy. The real story was He was training the dolphins To put the bombs on them Right And he let them loose

That was the big scandal Wow He found out the government was doing that He turned them loose Now Atomic Dog Atomic Dog Took out Billie Jean As the number one Michael Jackson, one. Michael Jackson, Billie Jean.

Michael Jackson, Billie Jean. I'm sorry, in case people don't know, Billie Jean is not my lover. She's not the girl. Says that, I am the one. But the kid is not my son. You took that shit out. Yeah. Tommy Dog. Wow. But you know, at the time

it was at MTV. Yeah. It wouldn't put it on MTV. Tommy Dog. Wow. But, you know, at the time, was it MTV? Mm-hmm. Yeah. They wouldn't put it on MTV. They wouldn't put yours on MTV. Right. But they got Billie Jean on there. He was pop-locking.

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Without MTV. Wait, that's the platform. That's what we need a platform. Yeah. We didn't need MTV. Oh no, we didn't need, I mean, it's still, and the record company told us, it's not going pop. Did Michael call you and be like, it's beef, nigga?

Oh no, I bet. No, he called me, he said, no, he had Latoya, I was doing a radio show with Latoya. With Latoya Jackson. He called up and said, what is his hair doing? What is his hair doing? What is this hair doing? You know, because I just got the color braids and he had heard about it. He said, I'm here for George Clinton, you know, blah, blah.

What is this hair doing? I heard about it. Right. Oh, my God. And what made you say, I'm taking the hair off? 80 years old. Goddamn, goddamn. Goddamn.

Ain't no better reason. That shit start falling out by itself. Do you see yourself as a rock star that you are? I know that I am, but I don't like,? I know, you know, I know that I am, but I don't like, like I say, look at it like that. I got plenty of time

to do that later. Right. You know, when you start looking at it, then you can get satisfied. I mean, not the egotistical side of it, but just like,

just actually paying attention to it. Right, right. I know. I mean, I know what I've done. I know all of the history, but you know, you start dwelling on that. It's easy to get lazy right now. Right, right. I mean, I don't like to get lazy. You're like, I I've done. I know all of the history. But, you know, you start dwelling on that.

It's easy to get lazy right now. Right, right. I mean, I don't like to get lazy. You're like, I ain't done. I'm 80 years old. I need an excuse to stay down. And if I start doing that, you know, I mean, every once in a while I'll binge on YouTube

and look at some of the shows. My wife do a lot of the filming and stuff, so I actually have to look at them a lot lately. But you can get off into that and say, shit, I ain't moving. You're another joke, but I don't want to do that. I want something to provoke me, and let me try my ass to do it again.

And that's what we're doing. We're actually having fun doing tours now, especially with the younger band. I have to keep shit. And it's family that's what's amazing about it transfer this shit to them for them to keep doing it

that is generational wealth what you're doing yeah that's what I'm trying to make sure is recognized like I say with Ben Crump being the head of our foundation of protect your legacy that's what we're doing for all other artists. Showing them how to protect their legacy.

And there is a thing called family, you know, wealth. Right. And if you do it from that point, they can't use that legal term that is past statute of limitation and all that legal term that you can't come and get your shit.

Right. You can. Yeah get your shit. You can. Yeah, you can. You can. And you should. And you should. Right. And the thing is to do it, I ain't mad at nobody. Just do it.

Right. And that's what's happening right now. That's an inspiration for me. Actually, fighting and getting the copyrights back. While I'm painting, I had all that shit on the internet. People love that kind of content. When they seeing you on the internet. I'm in the garden, my wife got a garden.

I'm out there picking potatoes and shit. People love that kind of shit to see an old motherfucker out there doing shit. Live it, live it, live shit. Live it. Live it. Live it. Live it. So I add all that with the old songs that I got back

that they never heard. When I came in and heard y'all playing that old shit, I was like, damn. I worked the records that we put out years ago that people don't even know about. When they hear them now, they're like, when did that come out?

It came out, you just missed it, but it's still here. So I like participating in all the social media. You know, that's just like going to the radio station.

So you fuck with TikTok? I fuck with all of them. I don't fuck with TikTok. I fuck with all of them. I can't stand it. You know, I fuck with all of them. I ain't trying to get commercial with them. I like to play with them because I fuck with all of them. I can't stand it. I fuck with all of them. I ain't trying to get commercial with them.

I like to play with them. Because it's the kiddie shit. The old motherfuckers used to get in there and try to make money. No, you got to... You fuck with Twitter? Yeah. All right. Twitter is the most negative, best place in the world.

I don't actually get on... I don't get on Twitter. Or Facebook is one I don't get. I don't get on there and fuck around. See, Instagram, you got to show your picture. I don't really get on, I don't get on Twitter or Facebook is one I don't get. I don't get on there and fuck around. See, Instagram, you got to show your picture. I don't really like it.

Facebook, you got to show your picture. I don't really like it. Instagram, I just go on there and talk shit. I got no haircut. I'm just in, I'm just in the bathroom.

I'm like, what's up, motherfucker? No, no, no, Twitter, Twitter. And then someone be on here like, yo, Kamala, ain't brush her hair. And you're like, wait a minute,

you just talking about the vice president? Like minute. You just talking about the vice president? Like, how are you talking about the vice president? God damn it. And then you just go. I don't get no conversations. No politics. No politics for you? Oh, I watch them all day, but I don't get out here and talk about it.

Yes. You know, because that's some other kind of thing right now. But I watch the hell out of them. Because Joe Biden, I'm not sure if he here or there. No, he's my boy. He your boy? He my boy. Okay or there. No, he's my boy. He your boy? He my boy. Him and Kamala, they my... Ain't no choice.

You're like, no other. There's no other choice right now. I'm going to just say one thing. The other day, they walked Joe Biden out and he just kept walking. You ain't see it? He just kept walking. He got another kind of style. He's on it.

Now, there's a lot of things. Like, you saw Joe Biden's wife kiss Kamala Harris. I don't know if that's fake or real, but that shit was weird. Yeah, she kissed him. That's all I need. I don't know what kind of

parties that happen. No, but I'm used to French, Italian. They're going to help me put down a kitchen. Yeah, but they're neither French nor Italian. Huh? They're not French or Italian. Nor Latino, neither. I wonder if Latino gets to.

As long as I see people do that, there ain't no big difference. No, I ain't going to lie. I did, I kid you not. I've been places where I've seen two men kiss, and they just, and they're like, what up, homie? Italians will do that. Wherever you go, there's things that people do that's so different that you can get lost.

I mean, you try to eat some beef in India. Oh, yeah. That's as bad as you say somebody eat a dog here. Right. You know, so it just depends on where you're at. You know? Right. And after a while, it's like,

damn, I guess they ate everything at one time or another. Now, that's very true. I guess in Washington, D.C., kiss everybody's husband and wife. But it's hard, actually, to, you know, get over that at certain things, because we've been so programmed. But I realize, if you're starving and hungry,

you do all that shit you said you would. Yeah, absolutely. You know, some people think they're starving before they're starving. Right. Oh, we drunk enough yet? Yeah.

Holy shit. We not done yet. Hold on, hold on. All right, Jesus, my wife calling me. On right now? Okay, this is something that we touched on earlier,

but I got this in my notes. When you did flashlights, they actually performed with flashing lights in the concerts? The people? Yeah, the people. Oh, my God, yeah. This looks like a thousand lightning bolts. Because now when hip-hop, when you say put up a lighter, they put up a lighter. So you're telling me you invented this?

They had flashlights Let me give you your props Let me just give you your props Hold on, hold on You know how when they say Put your phones up Right Put your lighters up

Right Put your So your record People And you got to remember Flashlights were like 18 pounds back then And they had D batteries

You could kill a nigga With this shit A couple D batteries This shit was literally A weapon Bang You kill a nigga with this shit. A couple D batteries. This shit was literally a weapon. Bang! You hit a nigga with D. You're done.

They had the sabers too. And they had the springs that was 18 pounds. Oh yeah, it was a lightsaber. They had the lightsabers too. Star Wars came out right when we put Mothership out.

Star Wars came out the same year, a couple of months later. And you start performing this and these motherfuckers out there with flashlights. Flashlights. Oh.

Coliseums and stadiums, 90,000 people and shit. Wow. 90,000 people. You saw 90,000 Afro, Chicago Soldier's Field, there was 75,000 Afros. Come on,

we got humble artists today. One, two, three. Let's all make some noise. But look, look, look. We got a humble artist today. We have the humble artist today. They think that 20,000, ooh, you got 10,000. He was doing 90,000.

Yeah, you got 90,000 people in the audience. With flashlights. That could kill people. And they brought a flashlight. It's basically like holding a door. We sold them to them. It's 18 pounds. With flashlights. With flashlights. That could kill people. And they brought a flashlight. It's basically like holding a door. We sold them to them. It's 18 pounds.

We sold them. We had, I mean, we... And you sold them... That was merch? That was merch. Holy shit. That was merch. Oh, my God.

As a matter of fact, the merch, you know Prince movie, Purple Rain? Purple Rain. Yeah. The guy on the club, Billy Sparks? I think so. That. The other guy on the club, Billy Sparks.

Think so. That was the guy that sold the flashlights. It was Billy Sparks' flashlights? It was Parliament Flashlights, but he was the one that was doing the merch that time before he got with Prince. Wow. Matter of fact, half of Prince's band was with us,

you know, merch people, went to work for him. God damn it. This is so crazy. Did you speak to De La Soul? You know, De La Soul just recently got back their whole catalog. Yeah, we're working at it. Oh, okay. Oh, you spoke to them, okay.

Yeah. Matter of fact, they were one of the first ones that, when they sampled it. That was the beginning of the sampling issue. They paid us, right? Tommy Boy paid us. Dimmitt and Digital Underground, both of them. Oh, because Digital Underground was on Tommy Boy as well. They were on Tommy Boy paid us. Dimmitt and Digital Underground. Oh, because Digital Underground was on Tommy Boy as well. They was on Tommy Boy too. Those were the two that paid us the first time that they was sample.

We didn't know what people were doing or using the record. We didn't know how you were supposed to get paid or what. Oh, the label paid you, but then Daylight got screwed on their roars. They got screwed later on. Right, right. It was a good thing for you in that situation. They only paid us the first time, but by the time they got screwed later on. Right, right. It was a good thing for you. We both got screwed. In that situation. No, they only paid us the first time. But by the time they got screwed, we both got screwed together.

I'm saying it was new for everybody. So the label was able to pay you. They was paid the first time. But the hip-hop artists, it was all new in that situation. Nobody knew how to pay. Right, right, right. But they charged the artists. They told them they was paying us.

They were taking out of their royalties. Oh. And telling them that they gave it to us. That's why I told Snoop, let's do the royalty statement party. If they took it out of your royalty, they didn't give it to me. It should be on my royalty. Wow. You see what I'm saying?

Publishing shouldn't be taken out of the artist's royalty. They did all of it. Not just the publishing, the fact that you sampled the record. Right. That's another thing. Now, your master have another master in it.

It's not the publishing, but it's the publishing of the master. It's part of the writing credit. And the ownership of the master. Right. The record itself, the writers,

they're part of it. But the person that sang the song or played... But you see, this is why people like you and a lot of people need to learn more about this because it's so complicated. I had a lawyer one time

that he told me that the people that created the mathematical equation for publishing were rocket scientists. And I don't know if he was joking. No, they're the same ones that did sharecropping. You know, with the farmland? Right, right, right. they're the same ones that did sharecropping. You know, with the farmland?

Right, right, right. It's the same theory as that shit. Which is all... They loan you some money and you never pay them back. Everything that you give them is against some advanced shit, you know. Which you'll never see back. You'll never recoup. And it costs you a fortune to get lawyers to play

with them on that. You will always be in debt. Now, you can get it back because of the 35 years. And they'll still beat you if you don't know what you're doing. Go ahead and do it. But you can get on YouTube now

and all that shit, all that information is there. But like I said, we're doing a thing called Protect Our Legacy and we're going to have announced every year. We're going to announce every year we're going to announce

every year whose song is due back to them. Because every year somebody's song is due back to them. Or album. Or album. We're going to find out

whose song is due back to them. What about the pieces of the songs? Like you're saying the samples of the songs. All of that. All of that come back to you. I think that needs to be simplified for people.

Oh, yeah, it do. Because that's the problem. They need to tell you when it's done. You know, like the copyright place should tell you, somebody just used your song, they just signed it. They can do that, but they don't want to do that. They're going to do it once he make it a civil rights thing, which is what it's going to be,

you know, that's going to happen in everybody because there's a lot of hip-hop money out there that the people didn't get paid. And I think we need more sampling in hip-hop because I think that was... They scared to do it because they got sued so much. That's what made hip-hop, that's what gave the soul to hip-hop.

Yeah, it was. And when you took it out, it changed hip-hop. Yeah, it scared, when they got scared to sample stuff that changed everything and the fact that the fact that don't many people

make vinyl records too right as I'm doing ain't many records to scratch we got to start making records just so you can scratch them

I'm going to tell you the first time I actually besides me you know questioning my contract the first time I actually besides me you know um questioning my contract the first time I ever and it was it wasn't called an audit it's first time I ever seen my record label it was something going on that was wasn't right was I looked at it and they spent eight hundred thousand overseas budget back

then we didn't have an Instagram. We didn't have a Twitter. They spent 80,000? 800,000. That's what they told me. They told me they spent 800,000 because they made my record go number one in Europe and everywhere else.

So they said that they spent this. The marketing budget. The marketing budget. That was always... They charged you the marketing budget back then? That's what they always took it from. So back then, I knew something was wrong About this

I was like wait a minute Wait this is Def Jam? This is Tommy Boy Oh okay This is Tommy Boy Tommy Civil Yeah yeah So um

Well it wasn't him It was The label Penalty at the time Let's just say it was It was one of them It was them together When they was together

Penalty and Time Boy And I was asking them I was like Can you show me proof That you spent this money in amsterdam can you show me this money you spent this money in japan and such back then we didn't have an instagram so whatever they showed me it was sufficient that was the proof that they yeah and you couldn't it's no you couldn't argue the proof there's no way they could have been spending that money there.

So that's the one thing I will give to social media, Instagram, TikTok, is they can't do that no more. They can't say to me, yo, I just spent $150,000 for you in Japan and Tokyo. And I got somebody in Tokyo that I could hit on Instagram or Twitter and say, did you see that poster? You know what I mean? Did you get that ad right? That's the mean? And so that's the one thing. Did you get that ad? Right. That's the one thing.

So that was the one time that I actually started to see, like, holy shit, these people are, I don't want to say lying, but let me just be honest. They were lying. Right. They were lying. There was no other way to say it. And I never recouped that album. Yeah, it's hard.

I'm still in the red. It's hard to recoup. I mean, in the red. It's hard to recoup. I mean, you can't even recoup. You can go bankrupt, and they still tell you you're unrecooped. Still old, yeah. Because you're bankrupt, supposed to wipe that shit out. Right, that's right. But if you ain't paying attention, they still charge you 10 years later, you're unrecooped.

I mean, is it far-fetched to say, if you look at the history of record labels in the music industry, it's a racket. It was always a racket. It was always a racket. It's actually better now. I mean, it's actually a business. Because corporate America got involved. Yeah, it's a move.

In the beginning, it was a racket. It was straight street. Underworld shit. That was dope. Right, right. And using the word master was even fucked up, too. Using the word master. Master, the master record. No, no, too. Using the word master. The master record?

No, no, no. Using the word master. For the master, that was even like, ugh. A master. Well, that's the master record. That was the first record. The original record. Nah, nah, nah.

You're taking that somewhere else. Yeah, I am. No, it's master. It's not massa. Oh, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. Yeah, you're right. My fault. You're right. Yeah, yeah. No, it's Massacre. It's not Massa. Oh, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. Yeah, you're right.

My fault. You're right. You're right. It's me going too far. My bad. I watched too many Malcolm X movies. My bad.

I'm bugging out. I'm bugging out. It's alcohol. It's alcohol. My bad. But I think we're reaping, the industry's reaping the, I don't want to say the benefit,

it's reaping the history of what it was. It was always a racket. It was an underworld racket. They call it cash cow. Right. It was so, you know, street. You know, you made the records on the street.

You went and sold them. You got some. You sold them to the stores. Right. It was a hustle, you know. And they just made it, learned to make it, civilized and a business. And it's getting to be that, believe me.

Because you look around and see all, they talk about billionaires. You weren't even a thousandaire in my day. A millionaire was out of the reach. But now you're talking about billionaires. So it's going somewhere. But the artists aren't becoming billionaires. Yes, they are. Not in the music

side of it. They're becoming billionaires not necessarily just off the music, off of the entire thing around them. Right, right. Their whole brand, like Rihanna, Beyonce, Jay-Z. But they had to branch out. I'm just saying.

No, you have to branch out, but it gives you the opportunity to branch out. No, the opportunity is there. I'm just saying that that infrastructure that started the music industry still comes from that shady place. Oh, yeah. And it's still shaking it off today. Yeah, but like I said, that 35 years of getting your masters back or getting

your copyrights back, that's a Johnny step. That means you can actually go in there and get your thing and you can get paid for the licensing of that from now on. They didn't have that before. You didn't get it back you said forever into perpetuity

and all that kind of shit. Now you can actually get it back, but you got to know how to work it. What was publishing when you first started? Like, was publishing already established? Yeah. I mean, Joe Bett was the best,

biggest publisher in the world. That was Motown. All those songs that came through Motown, they were like the biggest. Columbia was the second, you know, Screen Gym. It was the second biggest worldwide publisher. They did movies and soundtracks. So there was always a structure there for pop music,

classical music and stuff. Just that rock and roll was like hip hop. Which was a street thing. For people that don't understand, rock and roll wasn't a white genre originally. Not at first. But Richie invented that shit, right? No, people think of rock and roll, they think of these

heavy metal bands or something like that. No, no, no. That's rock. The rock and roll... I mean, Jerry Lee Lewis was my favorite when it comes to rock and roll version of that, the white version of that. Elvis was cool because he made it. And you got to give people props that made it. It worked for him.

But Jerry Lee Lewis, he came to the Apollo Theater and turned it out. Right. You know what I mean? Folks was like, damn, who is this motherfucker? You know, he was that. He, who is this motherfucker? You know, he was, he was that, he had a real vibe

in his ass. He was a crazy motherfucker. He called himself the killer. I mean, he has a hell of a story. You know, but he was all

of that rock and roll thing for me from the 50s. You know, and then you got a lot of good ones after that. The pop side of it, like I said, is going to be the Beatles once they got really.

That's why people keep asking me a Beatles story for you. Huh? A Beatles story from you. Oh, the Beatles, like I said, that was just, just like John Lennon, Paul. You took acid with them? Ringo. No, I never even met him. I mean, I met George met him I met George Harrison

I met him they all were their own entity in whatever that was that took rock and roll to another place but they weren't even rock and roll originally they were until George Martin started producing them

and putting all those classical strings and things behind them. Then they became something other than a rock and roll. Their first records, records without all the strings and things, is basic rock and roll. Simple rock and roll at that. Oh, when they were suited up, they were rock and roll though. They were there, but then George Martin actually performed symphony stuff over their music. They became more eclectic.

Very eclectic. Right, right. I mean, to the point of almost jazz. Because the classic, it was symphony. You know what I'm saying? But it was still rock and roll. Right. And they had all the elements of what rock starring was.

And they had different styles of real good music. Whenever somebody else did their songs, it really worked. When Aretha would do Yesterday or Ray Charles would do Yesterday, their song was conducive to serious R&B singers. Their song worked very well. But they were the ones that gave it all that class and it was something to shoot for.

And that's what we did. We did not want to be a regular for. And that's what we did. We did not want to be a regular band. We wanted to be a thing. An extraordinary band. We call it the Parlor Funkadelic Men thing. We could be anything we wanted to be. We didn't have to get... You could morph into whatever you wanted to be.

Into whatever the... Nobody wouldn't say, that ain't your bag. You were on genre. We didn't want to be in a bag. Right. We wanted to be like Sun Rock. Just do music

and people say, that's weird. But when you do get one, it's be like, oh, it stands by itself. Like Atomic Dog, there's nothing. We couldn't even do

another Atomic Dog. Nobody can. You know, there's... No, that's never going to happen again. That was one of those stories, you know, where I walked in

and I thought, you know, high as hell. I thought they were recording without me. And ran into the studio, told everybody, let me sing. And they had the tape on backwards. So I sang to the tape that's backwards.

Oh! And once I did it, it was too late. They had to finish it that way. They had to put the rest of the instruments on. Was this in Los Angeles? No, that was too late. They had to finish it that way. They had to put the rest of the instruments on. Was this in Los Angeles? No, that was in Detroit. So when you heard it that way, would you say, yeah, this is great? That's why I'm talking so long.

This is a story on Famous Dolls. I'm trying to figure out what key is it in. And I don't force my way in the studio. So everybody's like, they're looking right there. I'm looking right through the glass. They're all looking at me and I'm trying to figure out what fucking key is it?

It ain't got no key so I'm trying to kill time. This is the story of famous dogs. Wow! I'm sure you've told this story before. I'm sorry. But this is amazing. On the top of my head

was the clap. I mean, all of that was just ad-libbed. Why must I feel like that? Why must I chase the cat? What a dog it means. It's atonal as fuck. That's not committing to a key.

And then, dude, a dog, did I realize, damn, this is making sense. Dude, a dog catcher. And I saw everybody start laughing. And once, you know, you see them people laughing, your ego, shit, I got this, motherfucker. Wow, wow, wow, yippee, yo, yippee, yay. And motherfucker do just like they do. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Wow.

That is an incredible story. No, that is the real thing, because everybody's looking at it. They told me, we're waiting on you to fuck up, because we know we got the record on backwards, but now they had to go back in And put the drums on again Y'all invented something Brand new out of that Brand new

Brand new Wow Do you I know we spoke about this earlier And I think he He Asked you And I'ma just reiterate it

In a different way But do you know how much Important you are to this culture? I don't fuck that shit. I ain't taking the weight for that shit. No, no, but believe me, I do know. That's why I was like, with Ben, I can say that kind of stuff. You need somebody like that to say that culturally,

of civil rights in that term. Otherwise, we're just talking shit. We're just kicking it and talking shit. But to say it like that, you need somebody to put it on that

kind of light that... I mean, I was at the college today. I was at, what is it called? Ben Crump College. They just changed it. They named the school Ben Crump.

Out here? Yeah, and his nephew, right? His nephew, is his nephew here? Yeah. His nephew's here. Oh, where's it at? Where's the college at? St. Thomas.

St. Thomas. Yeah, St. Thomas University. They changed the name. Oh, okay. So that's what I'm doing now to live up to that kind of shit. That's some, you know, I'm too lazy to do. I don't try to preach. And it's going to take us to heal us.

It's Mental Health Awareness Month and on a recent episode of Just Heal with Dr. J, the incomparable Taraji P. Henson stopped by to discuss how she's discovered peace on her journey. So what I'm hearing you saying

is healing is a part of us also reconnecting to our childhood in some sort. You said I look how youthful I look because I never let that little girl inside of me die. I go outside and run outside with the dogs. I still play like a kid. I laugh. You know, I love jokes. I love funny.

I love laughing. I laugh at myself. I don't take myself too seriously. That's the stuff that keeps you young and stops you from being so hard. To hear this and more things on the journey of healing, you can listen to Just Heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. AT&T., connecting changes everything. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network,

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Binge episodes 1, 2, and three on May 21st and episodes four, five, and six on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm talking shit all day. No, but you know what? But you know what? Our culture, part of the reason, and I'm sorry to get so deep, right? Oh shit, I got another one? I thought I'd just drink once.

Oh, shit. You better get it together, buddy. So, but part of the reason, I had watched recently, I think Dave Chappelle and these people go back to Ghana, right? I'm going to take a pee-pee. Yeah, and they went,

you want to use the bathroom? No, no, I sound like Dave. Okay, oh. But they went, you want to use the bathroom? No, no, I sound like Dave. Okay, oh, but they went back to Ghana and then they start saying all these things and what you don't realize is that a lot of us,

they start to think that we started in this country as slaves. They didn't realize that we were kings and queens and this is what this place in Ghana is teaching, right? So I started to say that

and I say, damn, you know what? If we don't know this, if we don't know that, we didn't start as slaves, we started as kings and queens. If we don't know this, others won't know that neither. So I say that to say this,

I just want you to know, like as a hip hopper, I've made my career through hip hop. I've made my life. I was able to save people through hip hop.

But if it wasn't for you, and it wasn't for people prior to me recognizing who you are, then I don't think a lot of us would be here today. Wow. And that's real shit.

It's real shit. Like, I knew exactly, but, you know, I was studying you for months, because once we started together, and I was like, damn, damn, and damn. I never stopped saying damn every time I discover something new. And I was just like, wow.

And it's like, the thing about it is we want to give you your flowers. We want to continue to salute you and to tell you you're doing great and to tell you that you're fighting a great fight. Because we're not worried about if anybody else does or don't. We're worried about if we do or don't. Yeah, I got you. And this is the reason why we have to do this. And we have to look at you face to face, man to man, eye to eye,

and look at your beautiful family and say, we appreciate you. We appreciate what you do. We appreciate you continue to do it. We appreciate your smile getting brighter. Talk. Your smile getting brighter. Because,

because so many, I've been through what you've been through. Your smile getting brighter Because Because So many I've been through what you've been through So many people have been through what you've been through And you know what they become? They become bitter people And you ain't bitter You sitting here with a smile this whole time

And I'm talking about this whole When I say this whole time I don't mean this whole time here I mean this whole time in life And I watched you with your recent performance. I don't know. I think it was in New Orleans. I'm not sure.

And you had on a red shirt and a red suit. And you're sitting there and I'm just looking. I'm like, that man's smile got brighter. It got better. That's my weapon. I learned that shit worked a long time ago. I got a permanent crease in my face from that shit. No, but to me, let me just say,

as an outsider that's looking in, I'm just saying, you know, that's what I strive to be, you know? Like, is it a time, I'm going to be honest with you, you know, I've been doing rap for 25 years, but there's been time where I got on a stage and I just did not want to be there. Like, I gave a horrible show. I did not participate with the people.

The people would start putting out their phones. And I was just like, I just did not want to be there because I didn't have the same amount of love that I had when I first started. You get jaded by the energy. Because of the transition. The transition that went from, yo, look at me, motherfucker, to now it's like, I'm just filming you

because I want to show my girlfriend. Or I'm just filming you because I want to show my homeboy. If you start analyzing it and figuring out what people do, that's always dangerous. I used to tell people in the audience, they'd be looking at us,

trying to analyze what all these niggas doing up here. You can't even count us. You can't analyze us because we're doing everything to be unanalyzed. We're doing this on purpose. You can't even count us. So you pay money to come and see the show. And y'all didn't have Instagram.

Enjoy the show. Because the people leaving up there, they'll come to the show, coming, you know, because the people leave it up to, they'll come to the show, coming in, man, this ain't going to be shit. I mean, that's an attitude certain people can have. Just normal. Not even thinking about it. I'm going, you know, but this ain't going. But if you call them

out on it, hey, you can analyze what you want or you're going to miss the show. Once they realize that, then they're like, oh, try to pay attention to this motherfucker. And then they end up, damn, they're here with us. When we get ready to leave, they're in the parking lot. Because most people be thinking about, let me get to the parking lot

before the other people get there so I can get out of here. Don't get stuck in the traffic. We make them stay to the last minute, trying to figure out what the fuck else they're going to do. I call them out on it. That way you can actually be loosened up

to have fun as opposed to trying to analyze what the day is about. Today, you're paying money to see this show. I'm getting paid.

Say some shit like that then they all get your money's worth. You better have a fucking good time. You better have a good time. Right. And that way

we all end up leaving at the same time in the parking lot. So I'm going to jump. Damn. You ever heard of versus? Huh? Versus? Versus.

Versus? Yeah. I don't know who to do it with. He went straight forward. It's not like he wants smoke. It's not like he wants smoke. He's like, who want it? That's what I interpreted it as. He can do it wants smoke. He's like, who won it? That's what I interpreted it as.

He can do it against himself. He got fans. He looked at me like, who won it? Parliament against Funkadelic. We started to do that. Swiss Beats called you? No, we talked with them. We wanted to do

Parliament, Funkadelic versus George Clinton and the people that sampled us. Ooh. Me and the people that sampled us against Parliament Funkadelic. Everything will be... Wow.

I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. Anybody that sampled us, I could do that and get them in it So that way it'll be We ain't got his playlist set up Can we get his playlist set up

Let's do five seconds of his First 15 records of his playlist Holy shit I just wanted to let you know You smoking everybody my money's on you Just in case anybody wanted it versus My money's up Listen while we set that up I'll be remiss if I didn't ask you this so I'm Cuban American I want to know any Latin Cuban so there was influences

that was the number one R&B song in Newark, New Jersey in 1956. Tito Puente. Tito Puente, yeah. Tito Puente. You got it set up? And the B-side of it was Yo Como Va. Yo Como Va. That was the B-side of it. That was the B-side?

That was the B-side of it in 1956. Wow, wow, that's awesome. Outkast, right? Outkast sample this. Outkast sample this. A lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot I was born in the South Side in 1956. Wow, wow, that's awesome. Outcast, right? Outcast sampled this.

Outcast sampled this. A lot of people sampled this. Wasn't just Outcast. Woo! Woo! Woo! Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! Hey, hey, hey!

That boy did it. I'm just... Okay. Q-Dawg. Q-Dawg. You got the Snoop Dogg record right there? Come take a shot, you want a shot? Come take a shot.

Get a shot, get a shot, get a shot! Q-Dawg. Q-Dawg, come take a shot. You want a shot? Come take a shot. Get a shot. Get a shot. Get a shot. Q-Dog, come take a shot. Dog. See, that's how you get the stoop. Doggy dog. All right, go ahead and take one. Go ahead and take one. Woo. All right, let me get you a shot. Turn it up. Turn it up. Turn it up. Let me get him a shot. Come on. All right, let me get you a shot. Turn it up, turn it up, turn it up.

Let me get him a shot. Don't turn it down, turn it up. Yeah, you got to give him a shot. What happened, yo? Give him a shot, too. Yo, yo, turn it up. No, we got to give him a shot real quick. You deserve this one.

Give him your shot. I got you. I need a shot, too, motherfucker. All right. Let's go, King. All right. Father. Oh! Let's get a shot too, motherfucker. All right. Let's go, King. All right. Father! Hey!

Oh! Let me get a shot! We finished the Mama Juana, baby! For the Tiger Bomb. Yeah! We finished it. It's the new coronavirus. The new Tiger Bomb.

Coronavirus. This ain't, this don't look chilled at all. All right. You ready? You ready? You ready, y'all? Salute. Salute.

Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute.

Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute.

Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. I knew you had regular. Next one. Go to the next one. Y'all be wilding out in this motherfucker. We have a little fun. We have a little fun. Uh-oh.

Remember, it's a celebration, George. Celebration. And he going to smoke any of y'all verses. I got my money on George! What y'all want? In my mind, the reason why y'all call him thug is y'all. Y'all got the ugly funk face. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!

Woo! Let's go one more, one more, one more shot. We need one more shot. Let's go. I respect your vision. I got a whole new bottom up. You want some of my Moana, bro? You want some of my Moana, bro. I see it in your face. Baby, you need some of the money in your life.

Do, do, do. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Come here. What'd you... Oh. Come on, baby. Goddamn. Oh, you switching up?

I didn't think you was going to do that. Look, she got you two. You got two. Now you got to do two. You got to do Black Airbender. You got to do Black Airbender. You got to do Black Airbender. You got to do Black Airbender. You got off? I didn't think she was going to do that. Look, she got you two. You got two.

Now you got to do two. You got to do black and white. It don't matter if you black or white. Chi-Chi get the yellow. Solo. No, we can do it one at a time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cheers, cheers, cheers.

You do that with him first. I'm white. I'm white. I'm white. What's that? Marijuana from Dominican Republic. They make that in the kitchen in Kindle. No, no, that's not true.

Oh, nothing. No. He got nothing over there. What? Damn. What the? Yeah, yeah. Damn.

Mmm. Woo! Damn. God damn it. Oh, shit. No, he got that. No, no, no. Here, here's yours.

Woo! Woo! Peace, King. Salud. Salud. Salud. Oh, my bad. I already drank. Yeah, you know we got the new version of Tom and Tom coming out, right? Peace King. Salud. Salud.

Yeah, you know we got the new version of Atomic Dog coming out, right? Yes, we called it Q-Dawg. We already know. We established that for real. The video is done. Oh my God. Oh God. Uh-oh, here we go. That's that De La Soul right there. No, that's the digital underground version.

And digital underground. Oh, that's the digital underground version. And digital underground. With us. Oh, there's a remake? There's a remix. No, I'm good. I'm just hearing De La Soul. Yo, but when digital came out, that was wild. And 2BOX sampled this too.

2BOX sampled this too. But it's digital. Oh, yeah. What's digital? It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix.

It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of a mix. It's a little bit of this too. But it's digital. Oh yeah. Was Do What You Like also a sample from you guys? Do What You Like. Yeah, that was it. One of the longest hip hop records ever

and it was so dope. Knee Deep was 15 minutes long. Woo! Damn. One more, Let's do one more. Then it's one more shot. Oh, yeah. One more shot. Oh! That's what I thought. Drink shacks!

Hey, you ain't been seeing it, though. Don't do that to us. Don't do that to us. I am, though. Drink shacks! This is live version. We shot it in a Z. Come on, man. Come on. There you go, dog. I'm doing Surat yeah

cheers cheers appreciate you thank you so much. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Citizen of the universe,

recurring angel, experimentally in the pyramid, hard in on the mothership. I am the mothership connector. Getting down in 3D. And your voice is so iconic. It ain't nobody but me and the boys. Get down.

You're right, boy. Get shot at. I'm ready. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Stop it, stop it. Get shot at. Stop it. Listen, I'm going to take this shot with you. And then we're going to ask you two more questions.

Then we're going to wrap it up. But hold on, hold on. Let's do it together. Look. I always ask people. We're raising up with joy. I'm empty. I always, yes, yes, yes.

Make some noise, make some noise. I always ask people. It's beautiful. Damn. Art's beautiful. Damn. Art Bully. Art Bully. There he is. So Mr. George, right?

Mr. George Clinton. It's only my grandkids. My great-grandmister George. No, I ain't going to lie. I look up to you, so gotta I gotta address you as such but I always ask people in the midst of making history do you know you making history?

oh yeah you do? oh yeah I'm aware of that I mean a lot of shit just cause I can I do it now knowing that sooner or later

somebody's gonna peep it so a lot of stuff is planted in there now. Because I know I got the platform and I know that. But you're saying when you did this crazy music, you knew this was going to last? I knew that, yeah. After Motown and what they done in music and Beatles and what they done, I knew that get me a spaceship, get me

a... And that I was going to make a serious imprint. I knew that. You know, it just couldn't be commercial, straight commercial. I had to do it the way I do it and we were able to do it that way and actually have a reason for doing it.

Being able to explain our point of view. We had to do our own PR so we can put our interpretation on what we were doing. We couldn't leave it up to the radio station or the media to do it. We would do it and say it ourselves on the album covers. We'd talk about the shit on the people, on fans. So we pretty much colored and directed

what people thought about us over the years. We know that that's important. That's why I say TikTok, internet. I know how to get on there and get in with who's ever running shit and be down with them. And you be accepted as that. So basically you say you knew your legacy.

Yeah, I was planning. No, but you couldn't understand where it was going to really go. I just knew it was going to fall whether I be, I didn't know where it was going to fall. I just knew it was going to fall, whether I'd be here or not. Right. I knew that I set up plans. I mean, the copyright, the paperwork for the lawsuits, I left them all over this country with different people that's going to be able to bring them out.

But influentially, like the style. Yeah. Being so outside of the box Like I think I don't know Don't quote me on this But I feel like Going back from

Africa Bombada And moving on Andre 3000 When he started dressing The way he was dressing It was all linked back To you guys All attributed to you

Whenever I find somebody That's actually You freed people Peeping us and doing I go and get with them Right So they get By being hanging with me they get it by being hanging with me. I get it by being hanging with them.

You know, they all tell the same story. He's a cool dude. He's all right. When Kendrick, believe me, I knew. My grandkids told me, Granddad liked this show. When they told me. Goddamn, we should do it.

Kendrick and his show. We would love to have Kendrick on this show. When they told me. Goddamn, we should do it on Kendrick and his show. They were saying, we would love to have Kendrick on this show. Granddad, do this show. You'll like doing this show. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to your grandkids.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Tanisha. Tanisha, stand up. Tanisha, stand up. She was doing that with Kendrick. She said, oh, you'll like him. You'll like him. He makes you know he's a ninja. He makes you know he's a ninja. That's right. She was doing that with Kendrick. She said, oh, you're like him. You're like him.

He talk like that. And when he came, it was, I always got someone that got a little smaller grandkids. They got me up on all of the hip hop, the trap, the Atlanta crews, all the new people, the Migos and everybody, all of this. I stay up on it because I let them influence me. They tell me who's doing what. And they had me on TikTok doing, you know, I know what this is. I know it's just a kid's version.

It's not new. It's just different for you. It's the kids doing it. And you can see the old folks getting in there now trying to. Old folks getting in. But you know that that's the new place to hang out. And so yeah,

I'd get with whoever's happening. That works for me just like it works for them. They call me to be on their record. I call them back. That's my only thing. If I do one with you, you do one with me. Kendrick did a record with me and he didn't realize that I could put that to use like he could. I got him a record with me and he didn't realize that I could put that to use

like he could I got him doing videos with me all the way down when I did it with him I was in there with him but I got more out of it than he did is it fair to call that equity and legacy

yeah definitely equity and legacy I mean there is equity and legacy yeah definitely equity and legacy i mean there is equity and legacy absolutely you keep that legacy going and the family together so they'd be able to divide it and be friends with each other all of that shit got to be managed before it happened because if you don't do before it happened if you ain't got a will and all that shit together, you can leave everybody with the instincts of trying to get over. But I'm not even talking

about financially or even like, you know, like in the way you're talking, I'm talking about in the way that the artists are working with you. Oh, yeah.

It's equity and legacy like these artists. Nah, they love you, bro. Your equity in who you are is why they are working with you. No, I've nurtured that. I mean, nothing they can't ask me.

They can call me and say, you do this. And I'm down for doing it. I can see a positive reason for me doing it, even if we ain't talking about money. Because that's the first thing most people say, how much you want? We can figure out something. You got a shot? I'm going to be honest. There's no amount of money to have you. If I be seen, I'm going to get mine. I ain't worried about, you got a shot, I'm going to be honest. All I got to be is

if I be seen, I'm going to get mine. I ain't worried about what you got. Let me just reiterate what you mean to us. There is no matter money that we can offer you. The thing is, when artists from our generation or generation prior to us or

after us, it's an honor. It's an honor. No, it really an honor. Yeah. It's an honor. No, no, it really is. No, no, it really is an honor. No, it's not. For someone, you know, I don't know if you know, I clown around, I play around. This is the only time,

this is one I'm not playing around, is it's an honor to be in your presence. Well, I'm down. It's an honor for our generation to sit back and say, because just me playing the records and just sitting around and me looking at certain people who's younger than 30 reaction and saying that's Snoop Dogg's record.

Like no, it's not. That's Dr. Dre's record, no. But it's funny when your're like your great grandkids and say, oh, you're playing Snoop Dogg's record. Oh, you're playing Cue Dogg's record. You know, it's funny. You don't even have to defend it. You learn, they'll learn.

And why do you let me keep thinking that? That's a beautiful fucking thing. That's a beautiful fucking thing. No, because, you know, and you hear, and you sit back, and most people... You know, I just did that record again with him

when he took over... Death Row. Death Row. Okay. And you don't have to redo the sample record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That whole thing. I went back and redid it for him.

And hey, when you ready for me to come in, call me. Cube did the last album with me. Him and Kendrick's on the same song. Wow. Well, we want you to know why

because you're a legend's legend. You're an icon's icon. You're a tycoon's tycoon damn you're a person that has to be you know saluted every single which way of it i was so excited man um i couldn't believe you know what i mean like when i get people like you and patty labelle like like it's it's like it's it's chills in my body Because everybody else Who I kind of give flowers to At some point I competed with them

In music So it's like But I ain't compete with you I ain't compete with And you cannot compete And I cannot compete No disrespect to you No I cannot compete

You cannot compete with him I cannot compete And what I'm saying is Everybody You know Deserves their flowers And I'm saying is everybody you know deserves their flowers and I'm telling you you deserve a garden.

There you go man. You know what I mean? You deserve a garden. I loved. Give me some more of that green you got over there. Oh alright. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Here you go. Here you go, here you go. Here you go, here you go. That's Don Diego. We're talking about the drink test. He's talking all that shit. I don't like those masks. No, it's okay.

But, nah, nah for real you know thanks man me and EFN we got together and we was like man we really wanna make sure our legends

is appreciated our legends are I don't know we just wanted to celebrate the culture we wanna celebrate it oh man

glad you called me no man definitely and we gonna call you again call me again cause we want you we want you to do your own part We just wanted to celebrate the culture. We want to celebrate it. Oh, man. That was cool. I'm glad you called me. No, man. Definitely. And we're going to call you again. Call me again. Because we want you to do your own podcast, too. We need you around for a long time to keep helping us. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And we want you to know. You are a beacon. We want you to know we got your back. You know, me just digging into your story

and me knowing your story, but me thinking I know your story. And then me, you know, when we booked you, just digging in, it's just like, wow. It's kind of crazy because your story is my story.

It's just 30 years later. But how the fuck do we and you have the same story 30 years later? That means the same system was in effect. Yeah. From record hasn't changed you know i'm saying so when i'm sitting there and i'm i did it because because to be honest with you i'm not supposed to identify with your story your story my story is supposed to be better than yours because and then when we have the same exact story it's just like. This system might not change unless we say it. You have to say it.

You have to speak it into existence. Yes. So I want to say to you, you know, face to face, man to man, we appreciate you. We got your back. Whenever you want to come and talk some shit, there ain't no other podcast, no other platform in the world. You can smoke some weed. You can bring your grandchildren. You can bring the the world. You can smoke some weed. You can bring your grandchildren.

You can bring the whole band. And they're all welcome. We're going to send you that. They're all welcome. They're all welcome. Because... You're going to get that new copy of Atomic Dogs. Absolutely. But truly and honestly,

we want you to understand those flowers and the green, truly and honestly, we want you to understand those flowers and the green flowers as well, but we want you to understand that you are a beacon in our community. And in case we don't, we talk about you so gracefully

when you're not around, let's talk about you so gracefully when you are around. Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you. appreciate you. Salud, salute. And if you ever having a bad day, or if you ever having an awkward day,

or if you having an off day, just look at yourself in the mirror and say hip hop wouldn't be hip hop without me. Absolutely. I remember that, I remember that. That was hard. Did I kill that? Yeah, yeah, you killed that.

I feel like I killed that. I feel like I killed that. No, no, no, no, no, no. But by the way, because I'm ending it with a joke, but I'm not joking. Honestly, that was not a joke at all. When I really listen to your catalog in its entirety, and I don't use big words, but just bear with me.

Entirety is a big word for me. I'm listening to your catalog, entirety. I'm thinking, oh, shit, this motherfucker gave birth to the West Coast. And it quickly reminded me. No, all of hip-hop. Not just the West Coast, mother flipper. We were talking about flipper earlier, right? So it worked out.

It actually started on the East Coast. Yeah, mother flipper. No, no, no. We were talking about flipper earlier, right? So it worked out. It actually started on the East Coast. Yeah, it really did. Yeah, I mean, we were down with it. Like I said. The samples started on the East Coast. I was a bit bothered in them. It was real early. Early hip hop.

Early, early, early hip hop. That's 78. Well, we can see the influence from their dress code. But I just want you to know how much you appreciate it. We want you to know that's what we do over here. And every day of your life, just in case you ever, like I said it again, but I'm going to say it just to reiterate what I said. If you're ever having a bad day, you just look at yourself in the mirror and say, A hot nigga right now Sampled me

They needed me To move forward I'll do it as long as I'm in the bathroom We're going to take a picture And do some drugs Only two times I had goosebumps It's him and Patti LaBelle Like I had goosebumps. It's him and Patti LaBelle. Oh, shit.

Like I had goosebumps. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production in association with Interval Presents. Hosts and executive producers, NORE and DJ EFN. From Interval Presents, executive producers, Alan Coy and Jake Kleinberg. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by yours truly DJ EFN and NORE. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. That's at Drink Champs across all platforms. At TheRealNoriega on IG, at

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