Drink Champs - Episode 355 w/ The Isley Brothers

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the legends themselves, The Isley Brothers! The iconic group share stories of their journey than spans nearly seven decades! The brothers share stories of Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, The Beatles, creating classic records and much much more! Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreaga *Check out our Culture Cards NFT project by joining The Culture Cards Discord: 👇*See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And this is Drink Champs Yappy Hour. Make some noise! Now, when I tell you, man, when we started this show, we wanted to give people their flowers, you know, that's been in this game and that's been seasoned, that's been, you know, loyal in this game and that's been seasoned, that's been loyal to this game. And when we talk about these two brothers, we're talking beyond legendary. We're talking beyond iconic. We're talking tycoon.

We're talking globe galaxy. We're talking new planet type of thing. These brothers, I can't, I can't, yo, when you go through their catalog, it take you three days. 32 albums. Countless hits.

You can't name hit without them. They been here. They are doing it. They still looking good. They pulling up in sprinters. Came late as hell as they employed. We had to good. They pulling up in sprinters. Came late as hell. It's damn important.

We had to wait. Presidential time. Presidential time. And we had to wait. And we didn't complain that one time. We expected it. It was the right thing to do. It's legendary.

He said, this is more even legendary. And man, I just want to thank them because me listening to the music and me going through it and me knowing the struggles of how they started and where they are now and they continue to be. And like Mr. Lee was trying to say, a lot of our parents was

making baby music. I'm thinking millions. If I could say it, there's a lot, there's millions of babies. The generation was definitely born, more than one generation. Because of these brothers. And I'm not going to lie,

it's probably everyone in this room, right now. Make some noise for the one and only the Isley Brothers. Make some noise. Man, man, I'll be honest, man.

You know, being fans of y'all and being in the presence of y'all, it's like everything that I expect y'all to be. You know what I'm saying? Like y'all, you smooth as, smooth as, walking ahead, you got the trench coat on, you got the leather,

y'all just walk in and y'all are definitely, I'll be honest, you are the iconic figure that I thought you was going to be. Let's make some noise for that guy. I usually wait to get into the drinks, but I'm going to get into the drinks. Where you at? Let's give me a drink. And the flowers. Listen, our show is about giving people

like again, I hate our people when it comes to this what I mean by that is they put a time limit on you and they say yo man if you got

10, 20 years and it's over we don't believe in that here and here we believe that that season we believe that that is what time will wine

wine get better with time so why wouldn't music why wouldn't people why wouldn't us no time living on artistry We believe that that is what time, will wine get better with time. So why wouldn't music, why wouldn't people, why wouldn't us? No time living on artistry. So this show is about giving people their flowers, so we want to off top give y'all flowers off top. Off top right now.

Off top, yes, yes, yes. And she ain't telling my drink, I want my drink. Yes, yes, this is, yes, yes. And she ain't telling my drink, I want my drink. Yes, yes, this is, yes, yes. Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah, make some noise, make some noise for that guy. So, I got so much notes, man, I went so hard for this. You want to start it off?

Let's just take it back, As far as we can go, where's the inspiration for you guys? Actually, thinking about it, you guys, there weren't many family groups and bands. You know, everybody thinks of the Jackson 5, but you predate them. Right.

So, was there any other inspirations as a family unit to make music? Well, you know, we follow people like Clyde McFadden, you know, and the day. And actually, our mother and father was in the business. In the business. And they raised us to do what we do. And they wanted us to be a group that knew all the songs, Warren B,

gospel, country, western, everything. They taught us all that. And they said for the group to last as long as the Mills brothers. You know, I think we accomplished that. You know, I think we accomplished that.

Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, and so our first hit record was in 1959. Mm. You know you make me want to shout. Mm, crazy. You make me want to shout. It's still to this day. Of course, of course.

We've been charted all the way up to right now, eight decades. Right. Our album right now, it's been on the charts for five weeks. It was number one, and for 30 weeks, it's been in the top ten. It's number six now. Wow. With Beyoncé. God damn it.

Yes. And that's a record, that Beyonce record, that's a record that had already been sampled from y'all already too. That is, I believe it's Crossroads from Bone Thugs-O-Hog. And I believe that's Street James remix with Nas. Like, so yeah, that's crazy. This is like your third or fourth time and Beyonce wants to come and sample. How is that? I heard Mother Nose contacted you guys. Oh was that? Her mother knows, um, contact.

Oh, she's one of our favorite fans. You know, uh, we had more samples than James Brown. Wow. And James Brown had a lot. Last,

last encounter, we were over a thousand samples. Yes. With the rappers and, you know, and which is, which, which is like,

we wave a flag. Right, right, right. So how was that, getting a call saying that Beyonce wanted to work with y'all, and especially? Well, I called her mother and said, you know, we're getting ready to do this album, I wanted her to do the, you know, the record with us. Her mother called her, and she, in five minutes,

she called back, yes, yes, yes, I want to do it. And she had recorded this record with her group before. Oh, wow. But it was a different recording. And so we decided on that record, man. You know, she's so talented, man. Right.

I mean, she's so talented. Of course. Goddamn. I think, she's so talented. Of course. Goddamn. I think the people know that. They don't know that. But she works so hard, man. We just were blown away with the record. Her mother cried about it.

Her favorite song is Full of Love of You. Incredible, isn't it? her favorite song is Full of Love of You. You know. Woo. Woo. Incredible. And we did songs with Rick Ross. Recently with Scott Storch, who's the producer, I believe. Scott Storch, we did songs with Quavo, Takeoff. Wow.

We did songs with 2 Chainz. Right. Snoop Dogg. Right. You know. off wow and we did songs with uh touche right uh snoop dogg you know and if you ain't this song with them they sampled you for sure yeah i couldn't believe how sampled you guys were like i knew it but didn't want you know i'm doing the research but let me ask you one thing because at this time you know um hip-hop used to be considered a fad right it was like you know all right that's something that people are doing in the hood did you was you was it ever concerned of you saying you know what someone taking my classic record of mine is doing it over well um was there ever

concerned like them messing up the legacy of it my brother Ernie called me when the Biggie did. Big Papa? Yeah. And we like celebrated. Y'all knew it was him. And we went, like, they flipped out, you know. I like it when you call me Big Papa. We put a part of that in that show now. Ice Cube.

Ice Cube is one of my best friends. Wow. Wait, wait, you're going too fast. Hold on. You can't be jumping from Ice Cube to Biggie Smalls. We got to stop. But that's how incredible it is. He was just saying it like it was regular.

No, this is not regular people. Hold on. Okay. And these are not regular records, too. These records are huge. That's what's crazy. We had George Clinton on recently, right? And the difference that we noticed was

George have a lot of samples as well but it seems like the samples that sample y'all is the huge records. Like huge like, um, so where are you at? Because Ice Cube comes way before Biggie. So when is you at where, when does the

record label call you and say Ice Cube just did your record over? Yeah. Okay. And what do they say? They say, you know, we wanted to listen to it,

you know, so we listen to it and say, man, this is incredible. Right. Because you guys had to clear it, right?

So then he decided, he said, I want to do one of y'all's songs on every picture that I make. That's what he said. So, which is a blessing. Hell yeah. I want to do one of y'all's songs on every picture that I make. That's what he's like. So, which is a blessing.

Hell yeah. But, everybody is, I don't know how many samples in between the sheets. Right. Ernie keeps up with a lot of that, you know, but. That's the same one Biggie sampled.

Yeah. And Drake also, Drake and Lil Wayne did a freestyle over it as well. Yeah, funny. Slow to Jay-Z and Drake. Oh, yeah, Jay-Z. Whitney Houston, too. Jesus, Jesus.

I'm just going to be honest, man. I'm going to be honest, man. I'm going to be honest. You know, this is, when I think of black excellence, when I think of excellence, period, I think of you brothers, man. I really do because, like,

to stand the test of time and to still be who you are, that's a hard thing to do. Wow. That's a hard thing to do, man, to still have the respect. And let me tell you something. I could ask any generation about the Isley Brothers, and they're all going to answer with the same amount of respect.

Do you understand how much you were loved and revered in the community? Wow, wow. That's amazing, man. Okay. That's really amazing. We came up with people like Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, you name it. We learned things from Sam Cooke. Right.

I learned things from Jackie Wilson. Right. Platnick Fatter. Right. I mean, you can go all the way back, and I can tell you stories about all those guys, man. Right. You know, Jimi Hendrix lived in a house. In Jersey, right?

In Jersey, yo, that's crazy. I was trying to get to that, it's in my notes. He made his first record with us, you know, Testified. And we never thought, I mean, we thought he was the greatest guitar player in the world, but we never thought that he would, you know, become what, before he went, you know. Until he started taking acid.

Yeah. My brother was playing baseball then. When he started playing with us, he started playing drums. Right. He talked to Jimi Hendrix every day. Right. And all of a sudden, hey, he's the next Jimi Hendrix.

Wow. Wow. Man, all that's been wonderful. God blessed us, man. Our father and mother was concerned with us. They said never do drugs. And no one in the family had did any drugs. And I think that's a big part of us lasting this long god damn

you know but God's had his hands on us right all the way right there's a rumor that you was singing in church at two years old yes I was well you know about it all I'm reading this story hearing this story, hearing this story, and I'm sitting back. And then I had to think about my grandmother in church. And my grandmother would throw me up there and be like, but I couldn't sing for shit, so I ain't winning nothing. Because you won $25, right? Yeah, $25. I was standing on a chair.

Wow, that's great. Your mom ain't do that. You ain't. Yeah, you, Sonny. Sonny. Your mom wasn't proud of you like that. I'm that's good. Your mom ain't do that. You ain't. Yeah, you, Sonny. Your mom wasn't proud of you like that. I'm just being honest. I'm sorry. I took a shot at my friend. I'm all over the place, man.

Okay. See, Dan, he already took my Jimmy Hingery question. Talk about fight the power that Chuck D was inspired by your guys' fight the power. Oh, yeah. Ernie wrote that. Yeah, we Had our family After we finished the Live It Up album Literally

In 74 Our mother Nieces and nephews and the wives Came out and I was in a good mood and I jumped in the shower And for some reason I started half singing or reciting. Time is truly wasting. There's no guarantee.

Smiles in the making. Fight the powers that be. And soap went this way. Shower curtain went that way. Water's everywhere. And I jumped out the shower and grabbed a pencil, a piece of paper, scribbled that down, and put that in my hip

pocket when we went to Disneyland that day. I didn't say anything about that song for another two or three months. You're telling me you wrote a hit record and then went to Disneyland. Yeah. Like the commercial. Where you going next Having some smooth shit right there. Like the commercial. Where you going next?

Disneyland. Yeah. Okay. You know, at the time, Ernie started writing songs like Harvest for the World and At Your Best You'll Love and Make Me Say It Again,

the songs I know, and on and on and on, you know. Right. I wrote a lot of songs at the beginning before he got into the group, the history thing, and Shout and all that type, you know. Right. I wrote a lot of songs at the beginning before he got into the group. The history thing and shout and all that type. You know, work to do.

Yeah. Now, there's something that I got explained to the other day. People said that, you know, people looked at the Beatles in a more of a respect way than they looked at Elvis

because they said Elvis would, like, you know, like, I don't want to say steal, but he would take from people that, and wouldn't give the credit, as opposed to the Beatles, where the Beatles would. Your situation with the Beatles was how was that experience?

Well, when we went to England, they were imitating us. They were, like, doing the ooh, shout, the Beatles were everybody, that was like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like,

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Yeah. So, all right, so they want to cover your song, right? Yeah. So at the time, I'm assuming, there's not a lot of videos, there's not, so do you know the Beatles as white people when they want to come see you? When we were over there, every day, the Rolling Stones, Beatles, and us was together at night. They were talking about staying at a house when they come to New York City.

Right. They were asking questions like, does James Brown have a hundred pair of shoes? And do he shine those shoes before he go on stage? Because you guys were the rock stars to them. Yeah. And we answered all those questions.

You know, they were funny questions. James Brown got a hundred pair of shoes. Do he carry them shoes every day when he sings? Well, he care a lot of them. So those are the kind of questions. Can we stay at your house when you guys carry us to the Apollo? Right.

Wow. We promised to do all that. It was just the three brothers then. Right. And actually, when they came to New York, they were the hottest, you know. I think the first gig was Ed Sullivan, you know, on television. Ed Sullivan, yeah. 50,000 people would read them, you know.

Wow. And so everything just went wild. Yeah, that's crazy. And when you guys were in London, didn't Elton John play with you guys? Yeah, Elton John was our keyboard player. That's incredible. Yeah, and we're gonna do,

in the next album we're doing, we'll do a record together. Yeah, but he was- What's his name, Elton John back then? Elton John, and he told us, y'all should listen to some of his, he wrote a 100 songs. Yeah, yeah.

We didn't listen to nothing. Because he was just a hired hand at the time, right? Right. We were just with Elton, what, a week ago? Yeah, at the Motown thing for Berry Gordy and Smokey. Oh yeah, and we talked about, you know, he's going to do a song with us,

and Mariah Carey, and, you know, all that. Right. So, Elton is just so talented, man. He's a great songwriter. Right. And his tour has done just tremendous business.

Now, something I was asking, and this is a question I actually don't know. Some people call Motown, and when they say Motown, they say the label. But there's some people who say Motown, and they say the style of music. How do you look when you hear the word Motown? Well, they're actually one of the. Right. How do you look when you hear the word Motown? Well, they're actually one of the greatest companies. We learned so much when we went there.

We went there, out there, we had Dead, Twist and Shout, and Shout, and some other records, and we had a pretty big name. And our first record there

was This Will Harden My Eye. That's the first release went out that a week i called barry guard up say i'm coming we coming to send send three tickets but we'll be out there and he said oh okay you know i thought that's the way it was done. Right. Anyway, we went out there and we rehearsed with Holland and Dozier. One of the songs that we did and we picked was this little art of mine and it came out because we were going to be out there playing a sub club. Anyway, they wanted to release a record, something new on us. And they put that out as a demo.

And the record just went pow. It's the number one record. Just so long to mine. And that was the record they asked us to do at the show. So being number one at that time. All the time. And traveling. Was there tour buses? How did y'all travel?

Man, Stevie Wonder was coming across the street, and the cars was going, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, you talking about what? What? Somebody had it like that. Your Stevie stories get crazier and crazier. All right. Somebody had it back then. This Stevie story is legendary. Your Stevie story gets crazier and crazier. All right. You want to ask that question? No.

Shaq said he walked in the elevator with Stevie. It was just him and Stevie. So you're telling me Stevie was the one who was crossing the street by himself? Yeah, man. You're going to get him, man. You're going to get him. Did he know he was crossing the street? I don't know. I don't know. You're going to get him, man. You're going to get him. Oh my god. Did he know he was crossing the street?

I don't know. I don't know. Holy shit. Yo, I was trying to visualize this. No, no, no, none of that. No, no, no, no walking stick or none of that. He just walking. Holy shit.

Man. Holy, holy. I need another one. We got in the cab. We got in the cab. We got in the cab and pulled up to the company and said, charge it to Motown. Wow. That's it. We did, baby.

Right. Wow. Got out the cab. We didn't. Cab driver looked at us funny. Oh, you told the cab driver, charge it to Motown. Charge it to Motown. From the airport. How does that Motown. From the airport.

How does that even work? From the airport. We pulled up in front of the company. Said, you know, I don't know what the meter said, but we said, charge it to Motown. Wow. Was that how powerful Motown was? I don't know if they knew they were that powerful. Oh, man.

So, let me ask you, right? One thing is, like, what's happening at this time was segregation, right? Well, one thing I want to tell you. When I wrote this song, It's Your Thing, they very darned and them sued us. That's the first time they got sued. Oh. They very darned them sued us. That's the first time they got sued. They sued us because they thought that Holland and Dozier and some of their writers said wrong.

So we back and forth with the court. We wound up winning. But that was one of the things that really hurt us. Right. Your own kind. Yeah, because he didn't believe. Right. Or that song was too big.

Right. Or y'all couldn't have wrote it. Oh, wow. And from that time on, I guess we did every song that you hear. Right. The majority of songs that you hear are successful's successful by the eyes of brothers was written by the goddamn Yeah, that's a And Oh, yes, we started t-neck records with this shit thing. Oh, okay.

Yeah. And we learned what we were doing out there at Motown and what they were doing and that was it. We figured that was the way to go and it turned out that we could release what we wanted to release when we wanted to release it. You see? And then we started doing our own tours. When indie?

That's a debate we have here versus being independent. I mean, Motown, they were, at the time, that's a major indie. There's an indie that had major... But we talk about the debate where there's major label versus independent, and I'm always saying independent owning your stuff, that's

the way to go versus the major. Give me the money. I don't want to work that hard. You guys decided to go independent. You learned what you did from Motown and you took what you learned

and you put it to work. That's correct. And the record that we have out now on the album we have out now is independent. Wow. This is something

I was trying to say earlier because I think I've seen footage of you guys and Sam Cooke one day and I think Wow. This is something I was trying to say earlier. Because I think I've seen footage of you guys and Sam Cooke one day. And I think that what they were saying was they wouldn't let the brothers or the brothers and sisters on one side of the club. So you and Sam Cooke, I think you got on the bus and then left. Oh, I don't know about that. I think that happened with someone else. Okay. But Sam Cooke, I think that happened with Jackie Wilson. Okay, okay.

They were on a tour together. Yeah. So how hard was that back then? Because, like, you know, there was segregation. Like, how could you perform? You know, it was very hard, but you know, we were young at the age, we didn't really understand it. Wow.

We didn't understand that somebody would kill you or somebody would, you know, we always thought, run. Right. It was dangerous, get out of there. How old were you guys exactly around? I was about 18. So, you know. Yeah. Kids, yeah.

Yeah. Damn, man. 18, 17, 18 on the road. And that had to be like crazy because of the times that black people were going through. And then people taking political stances like Muhammad Ali and things like that. And then Sam Cooke and then all these people I just always and you know what was crazy back then? We didn't

have television to get out our message. Sam Cooke, you stopped him. He said, give me the ticket. Don't you. If you're going to give me a ticket, put the ticket on my car. I'm Sam Cooke. Whoa!

You know. I said who's Sam Cook. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He cleared it for me. Oh my God, man. I'm so excited. He wouldn't take anything off anyone. So that's probably one that, you know. Wow. But after you guys

decided to go independent, you did go with Majors Labels later on. Yeah. What was those decisions like? For distribution. For distribution. So still owning, taking advantage of the machine at that point. That's right.

Right, right. That's right. Because there were so many cases of people being taken advantage of in that time. Was that something you guys ever experienced? Yes. Well, you know, I think Philadelphia International was going then and later on

Curtis Mayfield and his company out of Chicago was going then. Motown and our company, you know, and Stacks came a little later. Mm-hmm. Now, let's address this. This is yours, right?

Yeah. What is this? Sexy ass bottle. Cognac. 35 years old. 35 year old cognac. God damn. Look at that.

This is a sexy ass bottle. Okay. Barron Select. Yeah, we've been messing with that for a little while. It's going to be out sometime this year. Look, that's a sexy-ass bottle. Make sure they focus in on that. Yeah.

It's a sexy-ass bottle. Look at that. It look like a person like me ain't supposed to have this because it's going, I'm going to break it. I'm going to break it. Especially him. He can't hold nothing. Oh, look.

See? Damn. That's a back rock bottle. Yeah. See, this is class for Sonify. He's looking to come in in a Baccarat bottle. Make some noise for that guy. And you got two of them? What's that?

No, there's two other bottles. This will be... I think this is 40 years old. Okay. And that's a cognac, too? Yes. 40 years old. Okay. Yeah. And that's a cognac too? Yes. Okay, let me check that out.

Okay. Oh, that's sexy too. So what's Barron Select? It's a company that, he's a dentist. His family died and left him the whole company in French. Okay. He knows all of our songs from the beginning to the end. And we've been talking together

for about over three or four years. And we decided to come with these, you know, they named the cognac after me. Right.

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and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. And so it will be out sometime this year. Okay. And we're going to give the fans a chance to be a part of that, the liquor too.

Yeah, have them sit with you. Yeah. Meet and greet and shit like that. That's right. That damn holy moly. You said they're going to be a part of the liquor. Oh yeah, it's going to be a stock company.

So they're going to be able to participate in owning it in a sense. That's amazing. Like the Green Bay Packers. Okay. Something like that? See, only sports people got that. Like the Green Bay Packers. Okay. Something like that? See, only sports people

got that. Like an NFT. I don't know. And what's the other bottle there? Scotch. Oh, you got a scotch too? Oh, okay. I'm a Japanese whiskey guy.

That's so close to it. Oh, that's 18 years. Look at that. All three sexy bottles to it. Oh, that's 18 years. Yeah. Look at that. All three sexy bottles. All of them. And look, this is your shit, right? That's what you fuck with. You got to taste that cognac, man. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's the cognac guy right there. Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to taste that cognac? Come on. In fact, we're going to go into quick time with slime. We got a part of the game where we take shots of the show. You guys don't have to take shots, but he could be your sacrifice shot taker right there.

Okay. He could be your sacrifice liver donor. Yes. Do you got quick time with slime ready? Send it over. Okay, cool. The other bottom? Whichever one, yeah.

Sonny's coming into that? Don't touch that Baccarat now. He ain't work Baccarat. I'm telling y'all that right now. Sonny coming into that? You got it, Sonny? That's my friend. That's my friend now. He ain't work Baccarat. I'm telling y'all that right now. Sonny coming in for that? That's my friend. That's my friend, but he ain't that type. We don't let him drink Ace of Spades either.

So, don't feel bad. That's Sonny coming in for that? Don't feel bad. I'm killing that. I'm killing that. All right, cool. You said Sonny going to drink for them? Yeah, Sonny will drink for y'all.

So, y'all, we take shots. You don't have to take the shots. Got it. Okay, you got it? I got it. All right, you want to explain them the game, EFN? So we're going to give you two choices. You pick

one. None of us drink. If you pick both or neither, the politically correct answer, we're all drinking. Yeah. We're going to drink. Yeah. We drink with them. We ain't leaving them out. Okay. You ready to start it off, E? Let's Okay. You ready to start it off, E? Let's go.

The hell? You ready? Yes. The Beatles or the Rolling Stones? Beatles. Off rip. You got a different answer? No, I'm just saying.

Okay. I like that. Biggie or Tupac? Whoa. Biggie. Tupac. Whoa. Biggie. Tupac. You got to drink. They disagree.

We got to drink. Oh, we got to drink Tupac, goddamn. Any reason why? You could explain why if you want to. Well, we like them. We like them both. Two asses.

That's just the one. Yes. If he had said Biggie, I would have said Tupac. Okay. That's beautiful. That's beautiful right there. We would have kept the peace. Okay. We're going to take a shot. You, I would have said too. Okay. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. We would have kept the peace. Okay.

We got to take a shot. You got to take a shot too. I was waiting for my shot. Come on, man. You're getting lazy over here. I don't get paid to put my own shot. Someone here that they duty here, man. How come you got your shot?

Oh, you pouring your own shit. I put my own shot. No, no, no. Listen, I told you, I'm not independent. I am major. He a major label. Yes, yes. Give me my major budget.

I am not independent. I am not independent. I'm not independent. I am major. He a major neighbor. Yes, yes. Give me my major budget. I am not an independent guy. I'm just playing around. All right. Next one's good.

Yeah, you go. Go take that one. Jimi Hendrix or Santana? Santana. I got to say Jimi Hendrix. Are y'all doing this on purpose now? No, you know. Jimi, you know, I met Jimi Hendrix

after my brothers hired him. I was 11 years old. Wow. And after the Beatles did that first show on Ed Sullivan, not too long after that, my brother Kelly, brothers had a meeting, and he said, these guys from Britain, this Beatles thing, this is no hype, this is real. They got two guitar players, but we got Jimmy.

And that was just the way he said it. And I looked over at Jimmy when he said that, and Jimmy was grinning ear to ear. So I imagine if Jimmy had been around when that lady came out, he would have given me something between a bear hug and a tackle, and say,

how did you ever learn how to do that? You was in the dining room, man. You was in the dining room playing. You was in the living room playing. I'm listening. Jimmy was so great. Even Santana. Hold on.

What did you just say? You just said. I loved what you just said. You just say, they got two guitar players, but we got Jimmy. And that was right. That was right. Santana would say, I'm not a problem.

Right, right. Oh, you know, that's funny. That's funny. He's one of my best friends, you know. I know that Jimmy Hendrix is the best. Right, right. And I'm crazy about Carlos, too. He's a fabulous musician.

Is there any truth that Jimi didn't know how to write the music? You know, I don't know if Jimi knew he was that good himself. Because every day he'd walk around, whether he had a guitar or not, a stick in his hand. Just fiddling. He was playing the stick. I see you still walked in with his guitar just now.

Yeah, well, have to do that. You know, come on, it's like, that's a, It's another limb for you. great sense of contentment and emotional security.

I'm crazy about the instrument. Wow. That's commitment to the craft so enjoy when you walked in with the guitar it's like you want to see what class with a guitar you want to see Santa Ana will get up and you see you walk in and I'm like he did it I want to see my heroes with their capes on sometimes I'm sorry I want to ask one question how did you guys come up

with this show man this show is so great we were getting drunk in his studio and he would play poker and we called it records and we would come out the end of the night and we would just see who would be last and we would call them drink champs. But beyond that, really what the show was about was us being disgusted when people have this longevity in the game.

And in our culture, they have this word called washed up, and I hate this word, because it doesn't exist in no other culture. No other culture says, well, they're washed up, and we're rolling stones, and, you know, these guys with the kiss on their face, they go on tour forever, and their tongues have done change and everything. Nobody don't even care. In their culture, they can do that. Like, why we can't do that in our culture

and not imitate them? We be who we are, and that culture, they can do that. Like, why we can't do that in our culture and not imitate them? We be who we are. And that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to praise, you know, people such as yourself because you guys deserve to be praised. And believe it or not, shit, without y'all guys' music, y'all foundation, this show doesn't exist. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, then you don't give me my shot, though, right? Him as a DJ doesn't exist, me as an artist, it doesn't exist,

and then us forming this platform together. That's total amateurs, by the way. It was just us wanting to have conversations with icons and legends and our peers and get these stories that we might have heard backstage or or in the studio but nobody else was hearing them and i agree with you being amateurs as far as media and journalism go but we weren't amateurs as far as fans right right as far as fans and knowing the culture knowing how important people are and and knowing that it takes nothing away from me to praise you and tell you how great you guys are to your face, face-to-face man-to-man. It takes nothing away from me.

In fact, it adds on to me because it makes me a better man because I know where I came from. I know. I feel good about that. Let me take a shot. Let me take a shot. I'm sorry, boy, take a shot.

We've been waiting for that major label shot. Go ahead, drink that. Drink that major label shot. Major label shot, yeah. You're going to make sure I take that. Okay, all right, cool. Ooh, I like this one. Ice Cube.

You're going to switch? I'm telling Jay-Z tomorrow. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Ooh, I like this one. Ice Cube or Snoop Dogg? Oh, man. You one. Ice Cube or Snoop Dogg? Oh, man. You answer the question.

I'll say Ice Cube, Footsteps in the Dark. The song I wrote. That's right. He sampled it. And I know there's a video game, GTA, that uses footsteps in the dark and ice cubes. Today was a good day. And it's still Isley. Some people know it from Isley and some people know it from Isley, and some people know it from him.

And you get double. Snoop Dogg is the number one. All right. Is the number one. Just honestly tell the truth. All right. Snoop Dogg, out of all the rappers, is the number one rapper. Goddamn, I'm going gonna take a shot for that.

All right. Yeah. Take a shot, man. And you know what's crazy? Shot for Snoop. At a barbecue every year, I love to be at the barbecues. And then I always look at the DJ, because they're gonna play one version, they're gonna play the one version. They're going to play the Biggie version.

Then they play the Izy version. Now, you know, now with the rappers down, people like Jay-Z, people like the guy who won the award with... Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick, yeah. Those guys are so great. Incredible. Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick, yeah. Those guys are so great.

Incredible. They're so great. You listen at the lyrics of some of the new rappers now, you know, and the fastness. I mean, my brother-in-law had to let me know

about how great. Kendrick? No. What's the... He raps faster than Busta Rhymes. Oh, yeah. Busta Rhymes. I mean, I looked at Busta Rhymes' mouth.

How is it possible? How is it possible? Is that AI? How is it possible the words come out like that? And, you know, so I want to give them all that credit. They deserve, man. I'd have to say, too, when you guys start talking about this person or that person, they both have to be at the table.

That's why I said they both deserve to be at the table. You're trying to trick him to just get drunk, that's all. No, you know It's really hard to say Well you want Yeah Snoop Or you want

Ice Cube You be like Oh Now it's a trick question We usually do it To get guests drunk But y'all OG's We can't try to

Give y'all shots And things like that Unless y'all would it But we gonna get He gonna get How you call it How you call it When you We smoke a cigarette Second hand try to give y'all shots and things like that unless y'all wouldn't. But we're going to get his, he's going to get, how you call it, how you call it when you smoke a cigarette?

He's going to get secondhand drunk for y'all. And when we bring up the two names it's because we respect both. Yeah, we respect both. So we just want to have these conversations

around these names. Well, if they like me, man, they listen to your show every day. I know they be listening. What come out my mouth? Because, man, I be listening to everything. This is one of my favorite questions.

And stories, if we can have them with both. If you have with either or with both. MJ or Prince? MJ. I like how you said that fast. MJ. Okay. I have no problem with that.

Okay. You got a Michael Jackson story? Oh, man. Tons. Jesus. Jesus. Michael Jackson was, and Prince has great talent. Right.

Great talent. Would you have said Prince, or I just want to make sure if this was the way it was going. I got to say Michael Jackson. Okay. Michael this was the way it was going I gotta say Michael Jackson Okay Michael Jackson was the king of all Yeah Right Yeah

So tell us some Michael Jackson stories I'll tell you one Okay We were at a CBS record convention In 78 And I came down I was one year old And Ronald came down after me

You know I didn't know that we were going to both go or what time or whatever. But when we got, when I came into the room, I noticed that there was this group of people all in like pale blue tuxedos. It turned out that it was the Jacksons.

And there was this little girl that had a pale blue down jacket. Oh, you meant Blonskip Michael. And it was the Jacksons. And there was this little girl that had a pale blue gown on. Oh, you meant Blonskip Michael. And it was Janet. Janet, she was tiny. It was Janet when she was little. Yeah. You know?

And I sat down at the table, and I wasn't there too long, and somebody tapped me on my arm, and I turned around. It was Michael. Hi, Ernie. Ernie. I said, hey, Mike, how you doing, man?

Isn't it all right if I sit down? I said, yeah, man, come on in. Sit down. Ain't no thing. And we sat there for a little bit, and he said, Ernie, do you think you could introduce me to your brother Ronald?

I said, come on, Michael. He knows you, you know him. You know, he's not going to bite you or nothing like that. Yeah, but he might be busy and thinking about something. I said, okay, I'll go over and ask him. So it's like something about the godfather.

Right. So I walk over to my brother, and I say, Michael Jackson wants to come over and sit at the table with you. Is it all right? Ronald says, it's all right. So I go back to my table, and I literally take Michael Jackson by his hand like he's six years old, and I'm walking him across the street. And I walk him up to Ronald's table, and I say something like, Michael Jackson, Ronald Isley. Ronald Isley, Michael Jackson. And the three of us just bust out laughing.

And then I go away and I leave them. The two of them there sitting at the table. And I let Ronald tell you the rest. Well. Man, he was just such an admirer of me. And how I did songs and this and that and this and that. But later, as time went on and on and on and that. But later, as time went on and on and on and on,

you know, hey, if I'm in any town that they have a show of Michael Jackson on film, I'll stop to watch that show. And me and my wife was in New York.

And this fellow that won a Grammy or something, Tony. Man, this show was one of the greatest shows I ever watched.

We went backstage and talked to everybody that were on the show. If you ever get a chance to go to New York to see the show that they're presenting with Michael Jackson, it will explain everything to you. And the guy that's playing Michael Jackson, he wouldn't- Which one, the play? Yeah. Okay, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've seen people talking about that. It's so great, man. It's so great. I'm glad that he won the Tony, but it wouldn't be no doubt in your mind where the Tony was going to go to. No, I heard that. That's crazy. I think I heard Erykah Badu saying going to right to go to no i heard that that's crazy i heard i think i heard erica badu saying that she went to go see it and i was just like oh i was like really yeah wow and how old was he when that introduction was made michael i was 26 you were the american west with dan flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network,

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to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. And Michael? He would have been 20. He would have been, I'm saying 20, 20, he would have been about 20. 20, okay. He was born in 1958. When you first made the voice,

I pictured Jackson 5, Michael. No, that's the same voice you always wanted to like. No, when he was talking, that's how he said it. He just always had that hyphen. But he seemed, even as a kid, he seemed like he had an old soul. Oh yeah, but that was how he seemed, even as a kid, he seemed like he had an old soul. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

But that was how he was, you know, and the way he just presented himself, you know. And that was him. And the rest of his brothers, you know, when I first came in, hey, Ernie, hey, you know, and all that. And then Ronald told me later on that he saw them all go into a huddle. And then Michael came out of the huddle and came to my table. And then that's when the conversation started. Goddamn, this story is fucking awesome, man. I'm trying to stay here and be cool,

but I'm not cool at all. This shit is awesome. Have you ever met Prince? Prince? Yes. Okay. And just for the record, when you met Michael, there was no white glove, right?

Not at that time. Like later on, he put on a white glove. Okay, boom. And Prince, is this Al Prince? I'm going to ask it. The chaps? Yeah, chaps. It was somewhere, a club that was on Sunset in California.

Not the Roxy? Not the Roxy. I'm trying to know. And Prince was like, he was kind of big then, you know, and was with Eddie Murphy, and he introduced us, you know. Prince was kind of, you know, real, you know, like, you know, like you, into show business thing, you know. It sounds like a Dave Chappelle skit.

I feel like someone's gonna come out and say, yo, man, you guys live a real dope life, man. I'll just be honest. You want to take over the rest? Yeah, yeah. James Brown or Rick James? James Brown. James Brown.

James Brown. James. Who James would tell you that? I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I want you to explain this, right? But I'll tell you the one story I met James Brown. I've said this on the show before. I'm walking the red carpet, and I'm realizing, like, you know,

James has his nephew, or like, I don't know, someone, and he goes, yo, that's Noriega, that's a rapper. And James just turns and goes, keep sampling my shit! On the red carpet in front of everybody. He just turned and I guess they must have told him, I'm a rapper, and he's just like, man, I love rappers, y'all keeping my shit alive.

And that's just, he just pointed me in my face and said keep sampling my shit and I was like will do but who was it James Brown or Rick James Rick James you know James Brown we were the first people that he would

let come in his dressing room without you know going through the changes calling him you know Mr. Brown and all that stuff yeah they'd come in his dressing room without going through the changes. Calling him Mr. Brown and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about the earlier, earlier days. You had somebody

standing outside and you'd come to see him. You'd come in his dressing room. When we came up to the door, you know, you come in the dressing room, you know, and when we came up, came up to the door, was like, you know, keep the door open.

Of course, it was you guys. Right. Well, I don't know. You know, James was like, he was really,

you know, a different type of individual. Yeah. Yeah. He was crazy. I saw the movie. He was crazy about it. I saw the movie. He was crazy about it.

Like into the persona of being James Brown? Yeah. Might be. Right. You know. But James knew what he could do. Right. He really knew what he could do.

And he was the first person to tell us to have your own band. Make sure you got your own band playing your music. And that stuck with us. You got

Jimi Hendrix and all the band members we had. That really stuck with us. So if you didn't have your own band, what would happen when you got to the clubs? The clubs would play the music for you? Yeah, we'd walk in and try to rehearse something with whoever was there. Whoever was there. Oh, yeah, I can see that. That's like hiring a DJ when you land.

Right, you don't know. You think the DJ is cool, but then the DJ starts getting high. And you imagine instruments. Yeah. But do you have a Rick James story? Rick James, man. I liked it. I liked that your face was like that.

Open up. Open up. I can say I saw Rick James at Madison Square Garden when he had Give it to my baby. And very, very dynamic show. at Madison Square Garden when he had I'll give it to my baby and very very dynamic show I was surprised he was not playing the bass

he was more or less singing and it was a great great show and I remember not too long after that he was in Philadelphia I think at the Spectrum

and he had sold out like three consecutive nights and they said he had collapsed on stage and when I heard that I said Rick, you're having a lot of fun but man, you're going to have to get your rest

because I know it's a party you're going to have to get your rest. Right. Because I know it's a party. Right. You're going to have to, you know. And he was a big fan of Dyson. He was a big fan. Tremendous fan of Dyson. Where did you work? In California.

Wow. In Vegas. Yeah, Vegas. I mean, throughout the years, we'll get back to Quick Time and Slime. Throughout the years, what was some of the craziest people that's a fan? I mean, obviously everyone is a fan of y'all because, you know what I mean?

But was there someone that y'all was shocked of, of being a fan? Oh, let me think. Johnny Mathis. Johnny Mathis. Johnny Mathis. My first meeting of Johnny Mathis was at Alan Preet's show. And Johnny Mathis was taking Jackie Wilson's place because Jackie Wilson, he got shot. And, you know, and Johnny Mathis would go out there saying,

people were screaming so loud when he was singing. And he would stop. And he told his guy, they made an announcement, would you guys stop, would the girls stop screaming so the audience could hear the song. Oh, damn. It's not for me. Then you could hear.

I thought that was like, you're going to tell all these people to stop screaming so you can hear the song. But, man, that's how, you know, that's how he was at that time. Goddamn. Let's make some noise for him. Thank you.

Where we at? That was a good one. Stevie Wonder or Marvin Gaye? Oh, wow. That's a tie. Okay. Take a shot. Take a shot.

Let's take a shot. We've been wanting you all to say tie all night. That's a tie. Okay. Take a shot. Take a shot. Take a shot. We've been wanting you all to say tie all night. I would say that's a tie. A story about him? Please, please, anything. When Marvin Gaye and Tammy Terrell had Alden, ain't no mountain high, ain't no valley low My eldest brother said

I think Marvin Gaye's in town And he's going to come by the house And we had a swimming pool party This was on a Saturday Let's make some noise At my mother's house And it turned out That he did come by of noise. She was at my mother's house, and

it turned out that he did come by. And he just, you know, out of respect, and to say hello and all that stuff. And he was trying to leave after he got there. And Kelly was like,

man, where are you trying to go? Let me introduce you. This is Ernie, and this is Marvin. He said, y'all have a brother named Marvin? He said, man, Kelly was like, man, where are you trying to go? Let me introduce you. This is Ernie and this is Marvin. He said, y'all have a brother named Marvin? He said, yeah, this is Marvin Isley. He liked that. And that was one of the things that sort of encouraged him to stay and say, you know, the only record we were playing in the backyard was Ain't No Mountain High of him and Tammy Terrell. He came back through the gate and that

record was blasting. Everybody froze. Everybody. When they saw him. And somebody said, that's Marvin Gaye. And a pandemonium broke out. People coming out the pool.

He signed an autograph. This is at your pool party. It's not like it's a random ass party. Polaroid pictures. Polaroid pictures. You know, and then he was trying to still leave. And Kelly said, Mom, fix him a plate. He ain't going nowhere.

Yeah, we had barbecues and all that stuff, potato salad. And he wound up staying. That was around like 11 or so in the morning. He wound up staying till about midnight. Wow. And he sat down at the piano in the living room, voice and piano, and played If This World Were Mine. Incredible.

There's grown women in there doing this. Tearing up. Yeah, it was that dynamic of a live performing. Stevie Wonder, I can say for myself, when we first came to California to record what was going to be 3 Plus 3, we came down to the studio, and Stevie Wonder was in there singing a song called Don't You Worry About a Thing.

We were hearing it cold. It was incredible. And when the engineers, and he couldn't quite find himself what he was trying to do. And one of the engineers said, Stevie, our Isley brothers are here. He sang it from the middle all the way out to the end and you know his his

contribution to music is just incredible unspeakable ain't nobody trying to fuck up in front of the Isley brothers He said shit together, Stevie. But then one of the songs we did out there was something called That Lady. That Lady is in the notes. And Summer Breeze, and listen to the music. And Don't Let Me Be Lonely Tonight, under that album.

That's some really dynamic tracks on 3 Plus 3. Who was That Lady about? Originally, it was Ronald's idea. Who was that lady about? Originally It's wrong as I did Wow And He told me Cause this woman to this day Saying it's about me

No he told me He told me When we're gonna go out We're gonna go out there They 20 years old They weren't even alive They still saying That's about me

And I said man you know That was done as a Cha-cha bossa nova And he said Uh uh-uh. We're going to change the melody. We're going to change the tempo. We're going to change the lyric. And you are going to play a lead guitar on it.

And I was like, okay. You know. And, you know, we went out there and did what we did. You know, you kind of like say, like, the rest is history. History is great. It literally is history.

You know, with any of these stories, I don't know whether or not I'm talking about it or whether Ronald was talking about it. It could go on and on. Yes. Because we're giving you like the microwave version. Yeah, boy. The quick version.

We good with that. Yeah. Because you have no idea how, I mean, obviously you do, but y'all both do. Everyone does. Because y'all history is so rich. Like, to me, it's like, what do they call the people? The queen and the king of Elizabeth And shit like that

What was it The royalty Yeah the royalty That's like y'all A royal family No Yes United States version

Royal family You want to do The next quick time What's the line Let's go Public enemy or NWA Tie I agree

I agree Son I agree. Sonny, take your shot. Well, all of us gotta take a shot. Oh, I forgot, I'm in this shit too. Come on, man. Look at him, look at him, look at him. You running behind over here, man. Hey, man.

You make your labels slow. Oh, with the eyes you brought. I know. I could get a, I could get a pass. What's that called? I could get a pass. I could get a pass, goddammit. Did you drag yours, Sonny?

Yo, listen. I'm not going. Just offer GP. We're going to start a disclaimer right now. The Isley brothers are not responsible for whatever Sonny drinks and does not make it home tonight.

Sonny will make it home just fine. Do not blame the alcohol. Do not blame the alcohol. The alcohol is just fine. It came with a Baccarat, but it was smart enough not to give you the Baccarat run.

And I respect that. And shout out Sonny. He brought me that Babanku, which I'm going to drink in one of the next episodes. It's Haitian rum. It's great. I don't recommend that.

No, no, it's great. No, I drank it. I drank it in Haiti. It was amazing. Next quick time or something. Let's go. Well, no, any stories with Public Enemy or NWA? Before Cube left, did you enter any interactions with that group?

Oh, what about some women, man? We were scared. Wendy Houston. Okay. Rita Franklin. Goddamn, there's two producers. She's on there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll take it down. Patti LaBelle or Rita Franklin? Oh, Rita Franklin. it down. Payla Bell or Aretha Franklin? Aretha Franklin. Aretha Franklin. Yes, Aretha. And Patty Houston. Patty was great too. That's my girl.

Patty would say Aretha Franklin. Yes, she would. That's why I would say it. I love the OG accent. So would he. I love it. I love it. And our crew put no more women on this list.

That's the Colombian and Dominican over there. That's the Colombian and Dominican over there. But we all marry men, so we'd be scared to ask questions like that. What about Chaka Khan and... Name somebody. I'm saying... But we all marry men, so we'd be scared to ask questions like that. What about Chaka Khan and... Name somebody. I'm saying... Stephanie Mills?

Betty White? Chaka Khan or Whitney Houston? Whitney Houston. Even though it's a little different, but... Yeah, Whitney Houston. Yeah, okay, Whitney. Yeah. You see what Stephanie Mills is going through right now?

She said something about the beehive. They ain't like it. You cannot say nothing about the bee. Leave it alone. It's a well-known fact. You cannot say nothing about Beyonce. Everybody knows it. It's like the mafia.

We don't discuss it. We just follow the rules and but Stephanie Mills held it down she went to the breakfast club she held it down

she didn't back down she just said that she thought that you know Beyonce was excuse me that Diana Ross was on a different level

than Beyonce and we all understand what she meant, but how it was expressed was like, you can't say nothing about Beyonce. And in this day and era, like, you know, God bless you guys. You guys didn't have Instagram,

but I'm telling you, you're lucky. Because Instagram is some crazy, like, oh my God. I just go on Twitter just to be negative sometimes. Like, I just need an ounce of negativity, so I just go on there and be like, sometimes. I just need an ounce of negativity so I just go on there and be like, hey, how's everyone doing? People are like, fuck you! I'm like, I said hi.

I didn't do nothing wrong to offend you. To offend you? I mean, it's the wild, wild west. I swear to God. I literally would go out there and just say hi. And they'll say, I'll come up with one. Okay. I swear to God. I literally would go out there and just say hi. Just to announce. I'll come up with one.

Okay. I'll come up with just one. Okay. With all due respect, the greatest male singer in the history of rock and roll is my brother Ronald. Right. You look at the resume. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

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Shout and Twist and Shout. You know, so John Lennon was copying What My Brother Ronald. And they had no problem telling you that. Right. You know, but that would be one of the things was copying what my brother Ronald was saying. And they had no problem telling you that. Right, they didn't. But that would be one of the things I would... Let me take a shot for that, goddammit.

I'm taking a shot for that. The best out, Michael Jackson copied him. Mm-hmm. I'm sure the list could go on. Yeah, everybody. That's what's so beautiful about... That's why he was sitting at the table talking to him. Right, right.

Trying to get some pointers, you know. Can't nobody hang with this man. No, no. And we're brothers? Good God almighty. Oh, Lord. You're about to give him his guitar, whoa. This is amazing. You better give him his guitar, man.

He's going to be in a guitar. I'm not going to lie to you. I don't know. I somewhat said this earlier, but that's what's so beautiful about you guys is I've never seen you guys be dated. You guys can fit in any genre. And every genre will sit there and respect you. I said that earlier. From gospel to rock to R&B to even hip hop.

We've been doing this show for like, you know, seven years. And, you know, so every time I have a person and I'll call other people to see if, you know, people want to participate in an interview or give me some pointers or give me something. When I tell you, everybody answers for y'all. Wow. There's certain people that be like, man, I got such and such. They're like, mm-hmm.

Because they don't want to be a part of the interview or they don't want to help out or whatever. When I talk about everybody that I call,erely it was like those brothers deserve their flowers and those brothers deserve the legendary status that they have and we'll be remorse, we'll be remiss not to tell y'all how much y'all do deserve that, how much important y'all are to this

culture. Not just hip-hop. Not just hip-hop, cultural. And I don't want to say anything is bigger than hip-hop or anything is bigger than music, but sometimes it is even bigger than music because every single movie that you watch with a little bit of soul

got your soul in it. That's true. I was sitting back. That was a good one. No, for real. I was sitting back. I'm like, God damn. I'm watching Red and Crash. I'm sitting back. Huh? That was a good one. No, for real. I was sitting back. I'm like, God damn. I'm watching Reading Crashers.

I'm like, shout. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. I'm like, holy shit. A black man wrote this. Holy shit. I thought this was, oh, what's his name? Vince Vaughn.

Just had Vince Vaughn. He's trying to put his soul on it. I said, damn, Vince Vaughn, you did great. But, oh, no, no. Hey, hey, hey. They put twist on it. This is such beautiful. Basketball games, the stories, la velas.

You know, that shit is everywhere. You really made universal. I heard you say something one time. And you said, the music will outlive I forget how y'all put it it was both of y'all you said the music will outlive the legend right

or something like that forget how y'all put it and I got one record that I have ever made that is bigger than me right and it's somebody was in a club one day

and he was singing my song after he stepped on my shoe And it's, somebody was in a club one day, and he was singing my song after he stepped on my shoe. He didn't know it was me. And he's singing my shit, this is me. I was offended. But at the same time. But I was also like, go ahead, keep singing that. And I can imagine, I can imagine,

y'all catalog, there has to be people that actually sing y'all shit and was probably like, man, fuck this. Have you ever had that experience? You know, I was watching the football, not the Super Bowl game. Not just any football game. And they did

the commercial with the kids. You know, you make me want to shout. And the commercial was kids was getting married

and yeah, I think it's going to win something this year too. But they do our songs in every Super Bowl. Right.

And even the rappers did. Every rapper. Dr. Dre. Yep. And all the rappers up there. I'm sorry. Did you say they play your songs every Super Bowl? Oh, yeah.

That is a flex. That is a flex. That was nobody's flex. He said that without a doubt. We don't vote for Cubs. Back when Barack Obama was president-elect, and he was sitting in front of the Lincoln Memorial. Garth Brooks was out there with an acoustic guitar.

He put his guitar down. He took his hat off. And I'm watching this on CNN. And he said, I was like, oh my God. In front of the Lincoln Memorial. You know, you make me want to kick my heels up and throw my hands back. And you saw the audience.

And the president-elect was. And Joe Biden, who was vice president. And their wives. And I was like, good. That song, boy. Everybody knows it. It's going to live forever. Yeah.

I mean, that's the power of music. You know what's crazy? Some people are blessed to have one of those records. Some people are blessed to have two of them records. At bare minimum. I mean, at maximum. People are blessed to have three of them. Y'all got like 17.

No, it's superhuman. You guys are superhuman. It's not fair. that maximum. People are blessed to have three of them. Y'all got like 17. You guys are super heroes. It's not fair. I'm being honest. I kept going. I was like, wait a minute. Did they never not make a hit? I'm looking for the not hits.

I'm looking like, and I'm like, that's our blessing, yo. That's our blessing. Like for real. Let me ask you, was your first taste of someone doing a cover of your music, I mean, as big as it got, was it the Beatles? The Shout was covered by Joey D and the Starlighters did a version of Shout back in around 1961 or so. And I remember watching the show that Joey D and the Starlighters were on the same show as the Isley Brothers.

And the Isley Brothers were closing the show with Shout. And Joey D and the Starlighters had out Shout. And they were doing it in front of them. But the audience was still more so with the Isley's. Right.

And then Kelly Rudolph and Marlon did it. Well, Lulu had a number one hit. Yeah, she had the version. In England. Number one record of Shout over in England.

Yeah. That was the first record that we wrote that had a cover. I wrote another song called Nobody But Me, and it was the number one song with the human beings, and they played that at Super Bowl II. So that was the first cover, Shout, Nobody But Me, but that was the first songs I wrote. Wow.

You know? The first songs, that's crazy. It's the beginning of a legacy that's being covered and covered, and it goes on. The next song I wrote, the guy wanted to give us half of it,

the song, was a twist and shout. And we said, no, you go on and you keep that. You know. Not knowing that it would be a monster later, you know. Now was that considered

rock and roll or doo-wop? What was that considered at that time? Well, Little Richard was doing Good God and Miss Molly, you know. Little Richard was rock and roll. He. The rhythm was rock and roll. Yeah, yeah. The beginning of rock and roll.

Yeah, him and Chuck Berry. Yeah. So y'all wasn't considered rock and roll, it was considered... Nah, I think you guys were doing everything. The beginning of R&B. I don't think they was saying R&B then. They didn't.

We didn't even have a name for the genre. It was just dope. Yeah. It was just fine. D joint. It was just dope. It was just fine. Dope before it was called dope. In a good way. They called it rock and roll, but you know. Right.

But I don't remember them calling songs R&B back then. Right, right. Except rhythm and blues. Right. Do you like the term R&B? I don't care what term they call it. As long as they play it. And music

is music, man. Music is music, man. They try to put it in categories. And box it in. Yeah. And box you in with it. But the Lord has, we know where our blessing come from.

Right. It's Jesus Christ. Yes. Yeah. So, cause like when I used to make music, people used to come up to me and be like, I went to jail for your shit. What the fuck?

I realized I didn't want him to say that, but I was like, all right. That's not very positive. What would you want me to do? You're music is like different. It wasn't right. It wasn't right. It wasn't right. It wasn't right.

But there's people who come up to y'all and gotta be like, I had a baby because of you. How beautiful is that? Because... It makes you really, really feel good. Right. Really feel good.

Although you say, oh, you did? You did. Right, right. Yeah, sometimes they... I've had guys come up to me and say, hey man, I love y'all's music, but I got in trouble because of y'all. What you talking about?

I put that song on there, you know, Don't Say Goodnight. I want to love you, yeah, over and over again. I want to see, see what you like, like in bed. It's like, oh, my God. You got to be a sable guy my god You gotta be a stable guy Can't be a stalker A stalker gonna take That song different

Yes that's very true Don't tell me That's true But uh Nah we Our music has It has a lot of romance in it Yes

And it's one of the Probably our catalog Is one of the go to catalogs When it comes to Men and women being together in an intimate fashion or a date or whatever which is a wonderful thing it was crazy because I always used to say there's two genres of music that you can play loud and no one will ever get offended and at first I thought it was just reggae and salsa but this past

a couple of months me knowing that I had y'all booked I kept playing y'all music loud as hell and in front of white folks and no one complained and I said but then I said is Isley Brothers the own genre of music? Do y'all belong south of? There's another catalog. Look at the ladies, I like that. The ladies is like, yeah, dig a game. There's another catalog for it. No, because that's real.

Like, you ever been on a Caribbean island and they playing the calypso and they playing, no one's offended by the words, no one's, and if you go to like Latin, I'm a half Puerto Rican, I'm Latin, you play certain, and then I just realized it was also y'all music. You can play it loud.

I'm talking about, like you know the levels that are doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. Where the people go, ah. Like, they don't do that with Josh Lee. They're like, ah. It's my lady. It's really baby making music. It's non-offensive.

That's facts. Did y'all know that? I know that now. It's really baby making music, it's not offensive. That's facts. Did y'all know that? I know that now. We'd be somewhere on an island, I remember, not too long ago, and this live band hit between the sheets. Wow. Wow.

We're sitting way over here And they way over there And you can hear it like Loud and clear It's like That's wonderful Wonderful To have something like that happen What's one thing that

That That You regret not taking advantage of In this game If anything If any Say that again One thing that you regret

Not taking advantage of Like Say that again? One thing that you regret not taking advantage of. Like. Is there an opportunity you let pass by that you should have? Like, yeah. We all never called you and you was like, I'll get back with you. Oh. I remember the house. The Blues Brothers.

They wanted us to perform in that movie. The white guys of Blues Brothers? You know, and we turned it down and they used another group. Right. They did a shout with someone else.

Animal House. Animal House. I House, yeah. Animal House. I would kind of regret that. And they wanted to use one of our records in the movie Night Fever, Night Fever. Oh, yeah, the Bee Gees, Saturday Night Fever. They wanted to use Tell Me When You Need It Again from the Go For Your Guns album. And we turned it down.

We didn't want them now. But you're Harlem, the Godfather, right? You're in that right now, right? Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah. Goddamn. Yeah. So fuck the Blues Brothers.

Yeah. You came back home. Oh yeah Oh yeah Yeah God damn Yeah So fuck the Blues Brothers Yeah You came back home Oh man I'm so excited man So let me ask you Generationally though Decade wise Is there a decade

That stands out to you Musically That you feel like It was just For you guys This was where you guys were In hip hop Inspired the mosts, the 90s, right? And hip-hop, oh, no, no.

I'm saying for them, like any decade out of your whole career, is there any decade that you feel or time frame that you feel this was the most inspirational for whatever was happening at the time or for you guys personally? I would say the decade that all of us was together, all the brothers were together. And after my oldest brother passed, it became very difficult for me.

But the fun, the real, real, real fun was when every- Was together, everyone was together. Yeah, we were all together. It's a big family affair. I'll tell you something else that I thought that the music that we were doing, it might have been starting from work to do. Well, actually, it started from It's Your Thing. I've, from It's Your Thing to Between the Sheets in 83.

69 to 83. I thought, especially when we got 3 Plus 3 going forward, those albums were double platinum. That Lady, Fight the Power, Take Me to the Next Phase, whatever. I thought they would have been bigger. Wow.

But by way of technology, and when it went into the MTV hip-hop rap, those songs came back to us in a way I would have never imagined. So that, I love it when you call me Big Pop, or Today Was A Good Day, I Didn't Have To Use My AK, or See You At The Crossroads. That would make me say it again. Those songs came back in a way that I would have never imagined.

So that, okay, we may have done Double Platinum as the Izy Brothers, but when you put all that other stuff on top, it was probably like four or five million sales per album because of those songs. And, cause they say that you know artists.

The albums he's talking about are now are three million. So I don't up. Yeah. You know, well, 3 Plus 3, Lift It Up, Heat Is On, Harvest of the World. Yeah, let's count it all up. Go For Your Guns, Showdown. I'll help. The Heat Is On is my joint. All the way. Yeah, Heat's count it all up. Go for your guns, showdown. I'll help.

The heat is on is my joy. All the way. Yeah, heat is on, have fight the power, for the love of you, and make me say it again,

girl. It had the slow side. Right. Which at that time was, you mean they got a jam side? But you flip this record over and it's all slow songs and people would just,

when the came time, just flip the record flip the record over for the love of you. You know, followed by Sensuality, followed by Make Me Say It Again. It was a great, great record. Went number one, first number one album for us. And this was on Motel or no? No, this was Iseless. It's T-neck. You know, it's T-Naked. You know?

It's T-Naked. Hey, remember, they went indie quick. Don't get it twisted. You still waiting for your major label to shout over there. Major label check. Holy shit, man.

Oh, hold on. So we're going to take a quick break because I'm going to use the bathroom. Let's go. Anybody got to use the bathroom? No, I'm good. Okay.

You got to use the bathroom? I'll follow you. Take a bathroom break. Thank you. so All right, so let's wheel. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian

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And this is season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.

It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the Butcher.

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subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple podcast. We'll wrap up this quick time with Slime. We've got a couple more questions. Analog or digital? Wow. Both of them. In some ways, the analog may have a warmer sound.

Digital may have a somewhat clearer. Cleaner, right? Cleaner sound. But that's not always good. No. To be so clean. Right, it's not always good. So you going analog? If you going analog, I'm taking a shot for that. It's your thing was analog.

Okay. I'm taking a shot for that, because I love analog I love the rails When you had to walk around With the rails And it felt like He was a human being

And like You know what I'm saying Like I love Cause that's The dirty sound Came out like when But digital It's almost like

It's clean Before they even Right I guess Like you know what I mean Like I love that answer We mentioned it on Drink Chance, but DJ Quick,

he did an interview, I think with Talib Kweli, and he mentioned that he felt that analog picked up the energy from the room. Oh, yeah, I agree with that. R. Kelly used to put a nickel

on turntable to get that sound on the record. That's that DJ shit. All right, Soul Train or American Bandstand? Soul Train. Soul Train. I'm saying Soul Train too.

I'm with that. Mike Tyson or Ali? Ali. Boom, fumble. We haven't drank. I'm drinking. Boom, fovo. We haven't drank, have we? We haven't drank. I'm drinking. Cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers.

This is the last one? You got to drink. We got the last one. This is- It's the last one. Go ahead, do the last one. Do the last one. Now, everyone thinks this is a... Everyone thinks the whole game is a trick question,

but it kind of is, but it isn't. It's always meant to let the artist loosen up. We do this game to let the artist loosen up so they can start saying things, but- isn't. It's always meant to let the artist loosen up. We do this game to let the artist loosen up so they can start saying things. And pay homage to the people that we're talking about. Really, this is the only, to me, it's not a trick question. That is a trick question.

It's the last one. It's loyalty or respect. Loyalty's going to have respect in it. And respect's going to have loyalty in it. And respect is going to have loyalty in it. You can't really separate the two. They'll be together. They're intertwined.

If you have respect, you're going to have loyalty. And how can you have loyalty without having respect? That was perfect. Wait, there's two people here. Okay. Well, I'll choose that same man. Okay. All right, so that's both.

We got a drink. Okay. Oh, shit. So, Luke. Hold on, hold on. Let me get this. So, you ready? It's lined up?

Because we just want to play y'all some of the hit records that y'all are responsible for indirectly. And we just want to jam out a little bit. And we want to want to play y'all some of the hit records that y'all are responsible for indirectly and we just want to jam out a little bit and we want to jam out with y'all a little bit yes there's no person on earth i've never met him and i don't think this person this person exists that don't respect the isley brothers. And don't respect what you guys have laid down musically with integrity, with morals,

with having class. I'm so honored, man, to have you guys in our presence, to have you guys here. It's an honor. I'm trying to look for a word that's better than honor, and I just keep thinking honorable,

because my vocabulary is not that great. But my heart is. And I want to really tell y'all, man, you really birthed a whole generation of hip-hoppers, of people, lovers, of great people that's responsible for you as their parents. You know, because sometimes you're musically people's parents. Sometimes people don't have their parents at the household.

You know what they do? They go put it in that cassette. You know, I'm old enough to know about the tape debt and the aid debt. A CD player, some of these kids, you put on a CD player, you're like, wait a minute. I'm talking about, you are a lot

of people's parents. We want to respect that. We want to salute you face to face, man to man, eye to eye, because a lot of people tell you how great you are when you're not around. And then when you're around, they want to be in competition with you or give you five or a hard way or something like that. And we want to tell y'all, man, that's not what we all over here. What we over here is people we want to show you respect.

We want to show you love. And we want to show you gratitude, loyalty, and everything because you guys Truly deserve it You are what I think about When I think about Legends Icons And you know Kings The epitome of what Epitome

An artist can do Let's make some noise for that Let me say something like I often say like If you're really into Into music Into culture Into all this stuff it's okay not to know. Because people forget, oh, you don't know the history, you don't know this, a younger generation, or even ourselves.

It's okay not to know. But what I tell people, it's not okay not to want to know. Not to want to, as a DJ, dig in the crates. So when I would hear a sample and I realized, oh, this is a sample, my job now as a lover of music is where is this sample from? And that's what I would always tell a younger generation,

like, it's not okay not to want to know. Don't be ignorant to the history of what you're into. Right. Wow. Right. But when we were talking really quick before and

I think we can't get out of here we're talking about your work. I want to talk about one particular one that was Contagious because Contagious

had 119 million. It has. Not has. Excuse me. It has. You know that means motherfuckers

watching Contagious that don't know the language. Right, right. They are sitting there. How does it feel to have a record that's big like that? Well, in our show, we bring out furniture. We try to bring out a whole set, a whole house to do songs like Busted and Contagious.

That's my next question, Busted. Yeah. You're doing my interview for me, man. And the audience now, on your phone, your cell phone, they have so many

people doing Busted. Right. On TikTok. On TikTok, yeah. they have so many people doing busted. Right. You know, we watch it. On TikTok. On TikTok. On TikTok, yeah, yeah.

We see it. It's amazing. It's amazing. And that's one of the important parts of our show every night. Every night, you know. And download, you know. And download, you know. Me and R. Kelly did download video, was one of the first video that we took three or four days to do. Hike Williams, right?

Hike Williams. Okay. And that was one of the great videos. At the time, R. Kelly, I guess the problems had started. But if you go back and look at that video, that has to be one of the greatest hip-hop videos. I would like to say that R. Kelly is one of the greatest producer writers that we have. We didn't keep up with what he did. He was always a gentleman with us. He was his host.

He could only speak on what you were dealing with. You're correct. Right. And everybody knows, like you said, you guys are classified. You know, everyone knows that, man. You know what I mean?

I'm glad that you addressed that. I'm glad you addressed it direct on because it lets people know that there's nothing to hide. Everything is straight up and that's a beautiful thing. You guys are legends, man.

You guys kept your name so squeaky clean and kept it with integrity. And it's something that, like I said, I want to always salute and I want to always commend because you guys did a luxurious career. Consistency and quality that is hard to maintain. Thank you. Thank you.

Do you see how many people have one hit? One. One. They can't maintain. And one is hard to get. One is super hard to get. Right.

But then they can't last a year and a half. That's a long time already. They back working at Piggly Wiggly. Stop. I went too far? Dad, you're talking about Sonny's career. My career.

No, but it's real. It's real when you have one hit record to maintain that. And you guys got, I mean, 30 years. More than 30 years, more than, you got 32 albums. I'm talking about 32 albums. Like, I've looked at DJ Khaled the other day. I think DJ Khaled, he's going harder. He's 13. He's 13.

He's not even half of them. Not even half. And to be clear, you guys are usually writing the vocals and the music as well. Yes, correct. And that is the most incredible part of this. Because try to maintain what they're doing,

doing that. Right. You could easily be a vocalist and have producers. You could easily be a vocalist and have writers writing your vocals and have producers. Absolutely. They are writing the music and the vocals and performing.

You're right. That is incredible. That's super incredible. What do you guys like better, writing the music or performing the music? The both. Damn, I'm taking a shot for that. You're still making a sick shot.

You're still making a sick shot. The thing is, is like we bounce a lot of different ideas always off of each other, consciously, unconsciously. And so like when you come up with an idea,

then you present it, and it's bounced off the vocal part, and that bounces back to the writing part or the musical parts. And, you know, you really, we really don't do one without doing the other. Mm.

But being conscious of the other. Right. You know, so that... Because if you load the gun, you want to shoot it. Hey, you know, say...

What analogy to add to that? I'm sorry. Say, like, footsteps in the dark when it was first recorded. Uh-huh. Drums, bass,

one keyboard, and one guitar. Okay. And the first song that was performed vocally, Footsteps in the Dark. And once the vocal went on and the other vocals went on, then you can hear the other musical parts to be added to it and by the time you finish with it it's like glorious technicolor and and you have you know you have the lyric you have the harmonies you know you have all the things that make up a record by the time you finish you don't necessarily have that when you begin you just have have a beginning. So the finished product. So by the time we get to like the song is finished, it's like, man,

that bad boy is out of here. For us to know that before it comes out. That's sort of like the way that goes. Let me ask you one more. This is going for it. Right? I'm going to help you out with this one. I'm going to help you out with this one.

Watch out now. I'm going to help you out with this one because I go through this. And I only got 20 years, right? But every now and then a person samples my record. And I don't like it. Okay. Sampling it or they're just doing it over the instrumental? Doesn't matter.

I don't like it. You need to be like that to like it. Do you like everybody who covers your record or has their... I can tell you... Nah, they turn down stuff all the time. No, you're right. You're right. We turn down things all the time.

You know, sometimes the lyrics are really, really, really bad. And we say, that don't fit with, you know. Right, right. You know, it's a funny thing that no one ever talk about the songs that don't make it. Right. Right. You know, mostly the songs that we're talking about now

are the hits. They're the hits, yeah. You know, how many hits was it that didn't make it? You know? Wow. For whatever reason, you know, that didn't make it? Wow. For whatever reason. It didn't get played, or the promotion wasn't right, or something.

You mean for the ones that you actually cleared that didn't make it. We have albums that we try to save now. The album I did with Burt Backwright is one of the best albums I did. And you know the record company folded. Oh, you're talking about your own records?

Yeah. The record company folded when we released the record. And that was one of the reasons the record didn't get the chance to do all the work they're doing. And you can't take that record now and... We tried to buy the record back

and they pressed up $400,000 and they sold the $400,000 and it stopped. Well, damn near went gold. In today's standard, that's pretty good. Well, they stopped it from going gold. They didn't want to owe y'all. That's amazing.

We don't know where that record will wind up. Even after I'm gone. That's the funny thing about records too. It's going to be some hits that we didn't know about. My brother wrote a song. I think one of his first songs my youngest brother uh and he and he and he wrote the song and uh someone in england did it and they talk about the songs of the best right the best record in the world you Right. And that was his first record as a kid, you know?

Wow. You walk your way, I walk mine. You know what I mean? Yeah. And did we get a Whitney Houston story, or no, we didn't get one yet? And we were supposed to play the Whitney Houston record. Ooh, Whitney Houston story? Rest in peace, Whitney Houston.

Oh, I can tell you. Okay. I was in Las Vegas. We were in Las Vegas. I don't know what you're drinking, but you're loosening it up. I like it. It's in Las Vegas. We're in Las Vegas. I don't know what you're drinking, but you're loosening it up. I like it. It's in Las Vegas. We're in Las Vegas, right? The MGM Hotel.

And I was at a bank of elevators. And I came out. And this guy grabbed me and gave me a bear hug. I couldn't see who it was, but when he pushed back, it was Bobby Brown.

You giving us a two for one? It was Bobby Brown. He giving us Bobby Brown? After he pushed back, he said, oh, man, Ernie, man. Love y'all, man. Love the way you play it. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what? And he pushed back.

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And I just said to her, Whitney Houston with me, man. Like that. You're a champion. That's all I can say to her. You're a champion. And she starts smiling. They got in the elevator. You're a champion, girl.

Don't forget that. You are a champion. You're a champion. That's Don't forget that. You are a champion. You're a champion. That's the last thing I said to her. And then... Now, we have different stories with, you know, different... Different eras for y'all. Whitney Houston with me goes back to England, everything.

With her mother and the whole nine, you know. Wow. And so... She's the record to give her. Perfect the whole nine, you know. Wow. She did the record together. Perfect. She's perfect. Perfect. Goddamn. Where she had done a sample of Between the Sheets.

Yeah. Oh, really? And Ronald was in the video. She flew me in candy from Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, down the plane. Whole nine with the... Yeah, she did. She recorded For the Love of You also.

Wow. You know. God's got such a beautiful history, a beautiful family. And we're not even touching the surface of how much history there is here.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. To be honest with you, we need days of a podcast. I'll tell you a story. Yes, please. And keep drinking that shit. I'll tell you a story. Yes, please. And keep drinking that shit. I'll tell you a story.

I was at my mother's house and the door opened and it was Ronald. And he said, I got this idea for a song. And it was me, Kelly,

Kelly Price? When you say Kelly? Kelly Isley. Okay. Me, Kelly Isley, my eldest brother, and Marvin. Kelly Price? When you say Kelly? Kelly Isley. Okay. Me, Kelly Isley, my eldest brother, and Marvin, the youngest brother. Ronald said, I got this idea for a song. I said, yeah, what is it? And he was stomping his foot.

It's your thing. Do what you want to do. Because I can't tell you who to talk to. Stop. He said it perfectly like that already? He stopped after he said that. He said it again. It's your thing.

It's the first time I ever heard that any of us had heard it. And after he stopped He said something like What y'all think And we were all quiet And I remember I said I like that you said Do what you want to do I can't tell you

Who to sock it to You didn't say Sock it to me That's the other thing Sock it to me At the time Yeah I remember that record He never said that He never said that That was the last record Sock it to me That's the other thing Sock it to me At the time But he never He never said that

He never said that That was the last record Sock it to me He just said I can't tell you Who to sock it to And Eventually we went to the studio

And he sang a song on one take On the first take I gotta be honest I did not know what sock to, what does it mean? What does that mean, hit somebody? Or it could be hit something. Or. Uh, then.

Remember when we the Franklin did the record, socket to me, socket to me. Respect. Oh, R-E-B-S-E-Z. Yeah, respect. Oh, shit. OK. All right. I'm going to learn the slang. I Yeah, respect. Oh, shit. Okay. All right.

I'm going to learn the slang. I'm going to get back my shit. No, but see like that. And see, when you hit, I'll always remember that the first time I heard It's Your Thing, it was like that. It was that raw. It was that voice. When it came to you.

No. The song Pepper. Came to him. Sampled your shitall shit too You know He wrote the song You know And sang it on the first tape So I'm saying when he came to you

Yeah When he came When he came back to the house He said what do y'all think And was like And then the next time Was doing the You know

It was coming together With the horn parts And what What else Instruments were gonna be on it And then we got to the studio And Sang the song on the first take.

Yeah. I mean, what kind of... That's ordained. What kind of rolling of the dice is that? Right. First take. Seven. Yeah, no.

It's not rolling of the dice at that point. Either you're going to roll yeah no it's not rolling either you're gonna roll seven or you're not seven well thank god that song good god man so jesus man can you give us a record real quick we just take it real quick we'll record it we'll be right back listen Listen, brothers, I really get goosebumps, you know, just talking the history with you brothers.

I really do. I really understand my childhood more. I understand my adulthood more. Oh, sonny. I understand who I am in hip-hop more

because of us just sitting down with you brothers because y'all are really royalty. Royalty, you're a history. You're a part of everybody's everything here. And I don't see hip-hop existing without you brothers. Wow.

Oh, wow. You know what's amazing? Oh, I don't want to see hip-hop existing without you. That's a good way to put it, yeah. Just think about all the records we've been missing. If hip-hop existed without the records that you guys made that trickled down to hip-hop, I don't think it would be the same genre of music. Because there was resistance early

on to the people sampling in hip-hop and then the people that were saying, hey, these are the samples you got to pay up. The industry didn't have it together. And the young thriving hip-hop artists, they didn't know what they were doing. They didn't know what they were doing.

They were just doing what they were doing. So there was a clash there originally. Did you guys ever feel that clash with hip-hop? You know, when I went to, we were at the Grammys one time, and some people walked up to me and said, hey, do you know Kendrick Lamar? I said, I never heard of him. Right. He had had a couple albums out still.

He was a star then, but I had never heard of him. And they introduced him to me, and he said, my mother was your biggest fan. And she wants me to do a song with you. He said, and she will have a fit. All right. And we talked a little bit. And my wife right away said,

you don't know who Kendrick is? Kendrick's of the Mars? And so he flew to St. Louis at the time. And we talked about what he was going to do. And he had the song like, Who's That Lady? I Love Myself.

I love myself. And so we talked about it and we did it. And he talked about it. And I, you know, listening to his album, listening to the album that he did, he won, nationally he won the Grammy. That was the Pimple Butterfly, right? Yeah.

Amazing. You know, he was amazing. Right. Came back to New York, came back to California. On the Pulitzer for it, right. Did the video. But he turned out to be like, wow, this guy is, he's just amazing. Yes. You know? And they all love you.

We're all your sons. Let's just be clear. Let's just be clear. I know you're being humble about it, but we're all under you. You know how when the boss come into a meeting, he'll be like, y'all all under me. Like that, y'all. We all under y'all. All right?

It's true. But y'all working on a new album or no? Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, we have this album out now. Make me say it again, girl. That's charting right now. That's charting.

And it's like doing fantastically wonderful. You know, I like it. Like I said, the single has been on the charts for like 30 weeks in the top five. Wow.

You know, it was number one for five weeks and it's number five or what is it? Six, seven this week. And y'all went back major too, right to right? Yeah, I took that major check No, remember no independent. They just using the majors now

So the album is doing fantastic and Amen, let me thank everybody for that. Yes, please. Oh, man. Nah, man. I'll reverse it on both of y'all. Everybody kind of need to thank y'all because our show

was about that, but I'm not saying this to say this because y'all in my face. I'm saying this to say this because y'all deserve this. I'm saying this because this is real. I'm saying this because this is facts. You guys are icons, legends. I sincerely believe this show wouldn't exist. I believe

his DJ career probably wouldn't exist. My rap career wouldn't exist. And like I said earlier, I wouldn't even want it to exist without you brothers because it's a staple of what real music is. Real music is. That's fantastic.

Everything has soul in it. It has morals. It has composition in it as opposed to what's going on right now. I'm not dissing the Young Brothers because I love them too. I'm just not where they're at. It has no substance.

It has nothing. It's just, these people are just talking to talk. And I don't want to become that guy that, oh, the Young dudes, the Young music is a little crazy. I don't want to do that. But we need substance in music.

We need integrity in music. We need morals in music. We need integrity in music. We need morals in music. And you guys are the quintessential example of that. And your brothers as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the brothers. Thank you. Thank you for that, thank you.

All the brothers. Somebody wanted to ask you about Dionne Warwick. Wow. How are we, we were, wow. Somebody wanted to ask you about Dionne Warwick. Wow. Wow. Going back to the song Twist and Shout, we were supposed to do a song from Burt Bacharach, Make It Easy on Yourself. And that's what we rehearsed.

But the words were changed to, are you lonely by yourself? And they were arguing about that in the studio. And so they stopped our session. And Bert got mad and he walked out. And the guy that was producing us walked out. So we had 15 minutes left in the studio. So we did the B-side song, which was Twist and Shout. And we didn't hear it back

because we didn't have enough time to listen to it. And so we said, man, we felt like that part, we felt like that part of our career was over. Oh, man, we ain't going to have no... You know. We walked out of the studio.

They made nine or ten demos of that song. Sent it to Philadelphia and a disc jockey by the name of Jerry Blavitt started playing it. And the song went to two million. That's when I met Deion Warwick.

And I talked about that on a show that we did with Whitbur. I said, look man, I wanted to sing your type of songs, but we were left with Twist and Shout, so we did, and in those days, when you had a hit like Shout or Twist and Shout,

they wanted to keep you in that pocket, so, you know, saying them kind of songs to have the next hit. So that's part one, two, and things like that. Yeah. Okay. So no one would tell you to sing Hello, It's Me.

Oh. You know, because they didn't know that you could perform that the same way. But it took us a couple of years to be able to form, you know, get into those type of songs. Then we got there and said,

now we got it made. We can do that. We can do this. We can do this. We can do everything. Yeah. So you never felt like in a ball, like where people just made you

continue to do that? Because, like, I remember me doing Super Thug. I had a song with Pharrell called What, What, What, What, What, What. And they just kept making me want to do That same record and I was like I made that record angry. I'm not angry

Because the record doesn't even sound angry, but you know, but we know So but they would try to Was that something when you moved over these people were saying man, man, do another shout, do another, you know what I mean? You know, when we formed our own company, we could say whatever we want. Do whatever you want. See, independent, baby, I told you this. All right, all right. I told you this.

All right. So that's when I could, you know, hey, I want to do shout, I want to do work to do, I want to do anything. You could experiment however you want. There you go. And obviously some work to do I want to do it you can experiment And obviously some things didn't work Yeah, like you like your summer breeze was one of the songs want to experiment with you know, oh my gosh Make them make it just sound like the raindrops Yeah Yeah. Wow. Goddamn. I'm going to just salute my glass to yours. Cheers, cheers. Oh, damn.

He's done. Man. I just want to... No, hold on, hold on. I'm going to take a sip and continue to do another one. Because you guys, man... Thank you. Are really the real deal, man.

Did you watch the movie Soul Man? Yeah. They stole your whole shit. Is that not hilarious? You didn't even watch Soul Man with Bernie Mac? No, I didn't see that. Oh, you got to watch it with Bernie Mac Mac And um Oh what's his name man Oh fuck Samuel Jackson

Okay And Oh they They reenact Y'all whole songs But it's a comedy Oh yeah Yeah yeah

It's called Soul Man I thought you would've seen that Everybody else Somebody's seen that shit right Yeah yeah They jack y'all whole shit Yeah they trying to be the Aussies But what's funny about it Y'all mentioned the Blues Brothers earlier Everybody else, somebody's seen that shit, right? Yeah, yeah. They jack your whole shit. Yeah, they trying to be the Aussie.

But what's funny about it, I mentioned the Blues Brothers earlier. You texting somebody right now? They were doing Aussie Brothers songs with Blues Brothers outfits on. So it's a comedy. So it's not like to take it too serious. But they stole your whole shit. It's a fact.

I know because I'm a rapper and I'm a part of the community. They also stole your whole shit. Also's a fact. It's a fact. I know because I'm a rapper and I'm a part of the community that they also stole your whole shit. Called Soul Man? Yeah, Salute. No, he's like, Salute the stealing. No, no, no.

Not the stealing, but the saluting because, again, man. It's called Soul Man? Yeah, I want to see that. Yeah, I want to see that. Soul Man, yeah. Obviously, it's before

Bernie Mac passed away. Yeah, rest in peace, Bernie Mac. But they are sitting there. They are like, you know, they're doing the moves. They're doing everything. They're copying y'all music. But it's funny because

it was... Go ahead. I want to ask you. Go ahead. You going to read it off your phone? Well, Ellis Fitzgerald, we about to ask him?

I don't know. Oh. I'm going to just name a few women. I ain't got to take it. Yeah, because they did him? No. Oh. I'm going to just name a few women. Yeah, because they did ask about women, yes. I'm going to go back to them real quick. Go ahead. I would like a Diana Ross story.

Well, Amy, today or this month, I listened to a whole lot of Ella Fitzgerald. Because of my wife, she plays it in the house like it's a new record. She is one of the greatest singers, I think. You know, she think. You know. She just had it all. And my mother and father would play her

the same as I hear today in my house. Yeah. That's the truth. My wife is right there, you can ask her. Make some noise for her. Yay! We respect that.

Yeah. And Diana Ross, we got a Diana Ross story? Diana? Oh, that was the Diana Ross story. I mean, I feel like we could say any name and because of how much you guys are... Yeah, you know everybody.

Oh, yeah. Influential, a part of it. You've been active. You have a story with these people. Yeah. Excuse me, Sonny? Words.

See, this is the reason why he stays over there. No, we need to mic him up though. I feel like we need to mic him up. Yeah, but then cover his face

at some point. No. We can hear you but we can't see you. We don't want to see you. Listen. Listen, this is my friend. Listen, listen. I'm going to be honest, man.

I had so much fun. I could keep going all day. I could keep asking y'all shit all day. And it would be an honor. It's an honor. And this has been an honor. I think this is the first time I had goosebumps the whole time because I just kept, like, clapping, like, you know, like the little Chucky doll.

I kept clapping because I'm so excited, like, to come and encounter with you brothers and your beautiful family and everyone you came with for making sure that y'all, you know, came here, and your presence is known, because, you know, in our community, we need this,

we need, to big up our legends, we need to, tell our legends, how important they are, and not on a tweet, we can say it face to face, man to man,

you can say it, and, and I'm going to say, when you're. And I'm going to say it when you're here. I'm going to say it when you're not here. I'm going to say it when I'm thinking about you. Because you fucking deserve it. You are legends, icons. And I personally want to bow to you guys. You know what I mean?

In my way, yes. In my way, I want to bow because it's one million percent. I know if y'all didn't do what y'all did, we probably won't be able to do what we're doing right now. It's foundational. And I ain't saying that to gas.

I ain't saying that to... I like the show that you did with Kanye West. Yes. Oh,'t saying that to... I'm saying it's just as bad. I'd like to show that you did with Kanye West. Yes. Oh, that was a rare... Which one? Which one? There was two.

There was two. We don't want you to get canceled, man. Pick the first one. Pick the first one. Yeah, but... Yeah, man. Let's talk about... Let's talk about R. Kelly and Kanye.

No, no, no. No, no. We can't have R. Kelly and Kanye in this episode. I'm scared. I'm scared. Let me be the one to say no. I'm just playing. I'm just playing.

We love them both. Both from Chicago, too, man. Y'all shout out to these guys. Shout out. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. That was a joke. You learn a lot from listening, watching those shows.

Watching you guys The questions you ask Yeah You know The whole nine You learn a lot from that Man Thank you so much

Thank you very much We here to give you your flowers And So This is We gonna take a picture And then we do a couple of drops And that's it man

I'm so happy man I really I really wanna say this Man I thank y'all man I I thank y'all, man. I really thank y'all because y'all didn't have to take your time out to do this. Y'all didn't have to take your time out to continue to represent the culture. But the fact that y'all do, I'm thankful, man.

I really am. I really am thankful. Like I said, I had goosebumps this whole time. And thank your supportive family for being a part of it as well, because obviously they're the support system in your lives as well. Wait a minute.

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