Drink Champs - Episode 356 w/ Joe Budden

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the one and only, Joe Budden! Drink Champs Alumni, Joe Budden joins us once again to talk about everything! Joe shares stories of his career in Hip-Hop and Podcasting, past relationships, and much much more!Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise for Joe Budden!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreaga *Check out our Culture Cards NFT project by joining The Culture Cards Discord: 👇*See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yardcast. Nali. Make some noise! Now this brother here, I'm going to be honest, and he's one of my favorite personalities. He's relentless. He speaks his mind. He hurts people's feelings.

Every time we're together, we're hurting somebody's feelings. You brothers try to count him out. You people try to... They try to. But this motherfucker is a Virgo. They failed. God damn it. Oh, it's Virgo gang.

He's from QJ. But this motherfucker is a Virgo. They failed. God damn it. Oh, his Virgo gang. He's from QJ, Queens, Jersey. Like I said, he's relentless. Everyone, if you know this man, you actually know he's one of the greatest guys on earth. Good guy. Big heart. But if you don't know him, oh, I can understand how you think he's an asshole. I can understand it.

I get it. He's one of my close friends. I love him dearly. Like I said, we even took some of his platform tactics. Yes, because he knew what this was before a lot of us knew what this was. And I mean, God damn, if we ain't going to give him his flowers and we don't give him his flowers yesterday,

we won't give him his flowers today. And we won't give his flowers tomorrow. And in case you, I don't know who he talking about. We talking about the one and only motherfucking Joe Biden. And all the time, fuck that,

let's give him his flowers right now. Let's give him his flowers right now. All the time. I might have to steal this little trick, y'all. And off top, fuck that, let's give him his flowers right now. Let's give him his flowers right now. Off top. Yay! Off top. Oh, I'm going to have to steal this little trick y'all do. No, I ain't going to lie. I stole your trick.

Now this is fly. I'm going to be honest. I came into Joe's show and they had chalkboards. I was so hated. I was like, wait a minute. It was like they had shit written down. They were in plays. Yes, but that's in our mind.

We have that, but we have it in our phones. Right, right. And some of the guests, you say that sometimes. Some of the guests get offended when I go like this. They thinking I'm answering a text, but I'm actually having notes. No, you're looking up your notes. Yeah, I'm looking up my notes. Yeah, but you got to stop unlocking your phone.

That makes it even worse. Yeah, but we... Yeah, it's bad. He's like, hold up. notes. Yeah, I'm looking up my notes. Yeah, but you got to stop unlocking your phone. That makes it even worse. Yeah, but we... Yeah, it's bad. He's like, hold up. Yo. I mean, I look at it like if I'm watching, because we watch TV, right?

We're consumers. If I see somebody on my TV doing that, or when I was doing interviews, as a rapper, right? If the nigga in front of me opened up his foot and just started doing like this,

It's a little offensive. I'm going to get tight. Yeah, okay. It's true. It's true. You're right. Yeah, I'm going to get tight. Yeah, okay. It's true. It's true. You're right. Yeah, I'm going to get tight. But recently,

we just, this is brand ass fucking new. Chris Rock, you called Will Smith a bitch? No, man. That was you. Nobody here called him a bitch. Was it you, Joe?

No, it certainly wasn't me. But I love the shout out. Right. Like, what do we do? I mean, I don't agree with nothing he did, but I'm not going to call another man a bitch. No.

I'm not going to do that. But Chris Rock said y'all did that. Drink champs. Y'all. He named us as the last platform he named. No, but I love the way he named it because he put us in the rapper category. He said the rappers and the drink champs.

That's what he said to Chris Rock out there. But, well, we did not call you a bitch over there. Yeah, we did not. We did. But fucking, we don't like to shut up. But Joe, this is a fucking, Joe, this is a fucking lifetime rumor.

They have memes about it. A lifetime rumor. In my life, at least. All right. Is it true that you asked Jay-Z to get on Pump It Up and he said,

give me $250,000? That's the rumor. That's the rumor. Because I didn't personally ask him. I couldn't personally speak to him. Did you go through WebMedia? But I think Skane. Skane Dollar.

Skane reached out. Okay. So the rumor is you asked him for $250,000 No I asked him For a verse A verse And he asked you

But you didn't ask him Directly you're saying Yeah I think he said to Skane I was outside probably In the hallway But Skane is direct That's like me asking you

For boys And for people that don't know It's Desert Storm That old camp that you were in Very powerful guy When you think of Skane Dollar Very powerful dude One of the clues Right hand man He's actually And shout out to Skane Shout out to Skane me bring up Skane Dollar. Very powerful dude.

One of the Clues right-hand man. He's actually- And shout out to Skane. Shout out to Dollar. Yeah, shout out to Skane. Shout out to Skane. So the rumor is, because I've seen the meme the other day, right? They was like,

this is how, I believe they credited it to how petty Jay-Z is. They said, this is how petty Jay-Z is. They said that, Jay-Z, you asked Jay-Z for a verse.

Hove said, 250. You said no. You went on a rant. This is what they said Jay-Z for a verse. Hov said 250. You said no. You went on a rant. This is what they said. You went on a rant. They said your classic Joe White and rants. And then classic Jay-Z style.

He went and did a freestyle on your beat. No, I didn't. Where could I go on a rant at? I don't know. At the time. I'm just reading the beat. No, I didn't go on a rant. At the time, I I don't know. At the time. I'm just reading the media. No, I didn't go on a rant. At the time, I was so young.

Is that fucking with your audio or you're good? No. At the time, I was so young. We don't give a fuck. We don't give a fuck. I love that he's like, what the fuck with your audio? I love the way he's so professional.

We are both professional and unprofessional. No, at the time, I'm not ranting. I don't even know how to receive that. I just know that I don't have 250 grand. I think Webb put the battery in my back to let me know. You're going to let him do that? No, you got to get to the studio right now. No, he took his shit.

So where did you get this rumor from? The internet. Well, Norrie got it from the internet, and he knows all parties involved. People have sat here in this seat and spoken about it. I admire how you get to sit here and bring up, when people sit here,

you get to bring up all the dirt you ever heard in life about the, yo, I heard. Like I tell you, I just seen this nigga last week while we talking about 20 years ago.

And the humor's nonchalant, man. Yeah, and you know what else I be hating on? I can't, you get to even ask that when you get to talk about Jay-Z like that. And you know what else I be hating on? I can't, you can even ask that when you get to talk about Jay-Z like that. Like you know Hov and you get to say, yeah, Hov is petty, so da-da-da-da-da-da. I try not to talk about none of them niggas like that.

Because I don't want the call. Right, no. I ain't going to lie to you, I'm being honest. Getting a Jay-Z call is not all cracked up to be. Yo, not dead ass. Because he will check you. Like, I'm being honest. I'm being honest.

If I see the whole call, I don't, like, really pick up fast. Because I'm like, what did I do? You got to prepare yourself. I'll hit the engineers. I'll hit Haas. What did we say last week? They'll be like, we in the clear. Hi, cool.

Hi, girl. What's up, Hov? Yo, the fucking Khaled album Had dropped in August It must have been Whenever that Gods did drop You know my co-hosts

We all huge Hov fans But my co-hosts Is like Me before I met him He's like Oh that's Jay Z Right

A super So we was having An argument on the pod Like I don't think That's the best verse that Ola's ever done, right? But I did that pod and then went to fucking somewhere

for my birthday. I flew to... Where was I at? Mykonos. Let's make some noise. Somewhere. Something like that. Let's make some noise.

Y'all broke niggas here? That's Grease. That's some fly shit he just named. Mykonos. No, no, that's not Grease. You're not a part of that gang My bad We'll edit that part Go ahead

What I didn't hear what you said No no no I was talking about Mykonos That's not grease That is grease That is grease

Okay alright I'm on point I'm on point Go ahead continue But anyway I got a text that morning From And I just didn't think

It was to wish me A happy birthday Oh shit No no I won't talk about the text But yeah No no no We don't talk about I don't do that From, and I just didn't think it was to wish me happy birthday. Oh, shit. No, no, no. I won't talk about the text, but yeah. No, no, no. No, we don't talk about it. No, I don't do that.

Yeah, yeah. Jay is everywhere. Yeah, I'm cool. I don't want nobody to ever text me from the industry. I want to just kind of do my gig and stay in my bubble. Right. Because, you know, Joe, that's something that I admire about you. Is me and one of my close friends, Sonny D,

were riding in the car here, and he said, one thing about Joe, he's not going to hold his tongue. It's funny. I think I hold my tongue a lot. From an outsider looking in, shit. If I really told the truth, they would have killed me already. Jimmy Hoffa'd you? They would have got me out of here.

One of these rappers. Because what the concern was. He always wanted to piece some shit up. Get out of here. Who, Charlamagne? Yeah. What's up with you and Charlamagne? Nothing.

We just hate each other. Legitimately hate each other? No, it's fake. It's not a real hate. Hold on. Did he just say nothing? We just hate each other? Yeah.

I thought that was the most craziest. That was the illest shit on you. But not shit on you in the world. No, I'm not shitting on nobody. Because you're independent. I know a lot of cops. And they get asked all the time. Have you ever had to shoot your gun?

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AT&T, connecting changes everything. Yeah, but I'll partner with. I'll partner with, but... Like, would you partner with a title? I would. I had those conversations early. Okay. I had a lot of conversations, huh? Dude, who you had combos with?

Oh. OG Juan? Oh, excuse me, my bad. I love this energy. Y'all don't get this Virgo energy. I love it. I'm chilling. I love it.

I love it. Look at me, buddy. Nah, Joe, so let's just be real. You guys good? No, let's be real, bro, because... Let's be real, bro. Nah, let's be real. I'm not going to lie, Joe.

You are monkey foot in the game. You got these motherfuckers. They don't know what to do. And you are with you because you in Jersey. Fly his crib. Look at our shit. We got to step it up. I like racket, man.

Shout out to racket. This is dope. We in Wynwood. We got to go do his part. Me and you together. All right. Open invite for y'all. Underwater.

Open invite for y'all. Sexy. Candles burning. In my mind He was wearing a silk outfit And they smoke outside There's no smoking in doors Yeah

Joe you winning Thank you man As are you guys No no no no It's about you Let's make Everybody in this place Y'all did it already

Make some noise For my motherfucking brother Joe Bud Make some noise for my motherfucking brother, Joe Bud. Make some noise. This is why I love podcasting a little more than rapping is because we could just do this, but really, it's we being ourself.

And that's what's the most remarkable thing about your show, your platform, is you really just being you. I love it. I love it. I kid you not.

You could probably watch my shit and I could watch your shit and you'd be like, that's just who he is. And you just be, how does it feel to win being yourself? Oh, amazing. It feels amazing.

When people are shocked that, yo, Joe, come on, give me an album. When people are shocked by my resistance to that idea. To making music? Yeah. They just don't understand how liberated it feels. I wake up, I go down the street, I talk to my friends,

and then I go home twice a a week right like really it is really sit with that i've seen uh styles just said something recently or it was reposted that the most freeing thing that that he ever did was to get into the the juice business because it freed him from the industry yeah we all need i love him i that about Styles. He's one of my rapper inspirations. Absolutely. Like the people older than me, how they got liberated and how they went about it. I like to see that. I'll tell y'all a funny

secret. I used to hate Styles. That's a funny secret. Me too. He was not a good guy. He says that all the time. Back in the day, Styles was not a good guy. I went from kind of hating Styles. I would give Styles the keys to my apartment right now. The keys to my condo.

Me too. He's a great dude. If Styles asked me for my condo keys, I would go like this. I would throw it without even looking at it. And that's what I'm saying. That's how the evolution of hip hop is. It's so beautiful to see people grow. It's so beautiful to see Joe Budden coming here.

I don't even know what color that is, sir. That is pink. You are looking very fly-voluptuous. Let's make some noise for him looking like Miami. God damn it. This nigga is playing. You said you look voluptuous. He is playing the road.

And he's wearing pink, too. Ching Lotto. Because Ching Bing going solo on y'all niggas, so I'm going to support him. And it's three or four of them, by the way. Yo, you've been with the Minutes and Louis Safaricon a lot. You're going to get us sniped out here. And Joe, you want some salsa water?

Yeah, please. Okay, yeah. Get some salsa water, Joe. And Lee, let me get one of those red cups too. Where are you hiding that, man? We have Ron Isley here. I saw. No, no, no.

You didn't see it. Ron and Ernie. No, no, no. I posted a picture. You saw that. Oh, you're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do that. I violated it.

I violated it. I ain't gonna lie. He was hype. I violated it. He violates all the rules that he tries to put in. I look, you know, I'm going to be honest. It's JP4. Where's JP at?

JP sent me a picture. I was like, I look fly. That was some real kid shit. But anyway, the OGs, they sit around and they come with their own cup.

Is that something that you're involved with, bringing your own cup when you go to places? I travel with a coffee cup normally, and it's mine. This wasn't his cup?

Huh? This wasn't yours, was it? No. Oh, i thought it was no i just asked for a red cup and they had they gave me they gave me two of them right so all right we're we're leaving the rap game right yes joe and how is how is this position in podcast world presented to you? Is someone... There was no position presented to me. So how did you discover it?

What are you talking about, doing this? Doing podcasting, yes. He had been doing digital content for as long as I can remember. I'm not going to lie to you. Long time. But presented to me, listen to that. No, That sounds like

The Illuminati came to you Aw damn Well yeah Early on Let me not say that Cause combatting Unpresented a situation Before

You even knew That there was Situations to be presented And that just wasn't My cup of tea So Yeah No

Present it We started in 2015 2015? Yeah 2015 February 17 Wait the podcast? So, yeah, no, presented in, we started in 2015. 2015? Yeah, 2015, February 17th. Wait, the podcast? I started my podcast February 17th. Because you were doing Joe Button TV first, right? Yeah, that's two decades ago.

I'm thinking that's around us. Yeah, but I felt like Joe Button. You're not too far apart. No, but I felt like Joe Button TV in starting. Yeah, I guess we're going back to how far you were doing content in general. Y'all are going back to, if we're going back to the early days of content, I worked at Hot 97 in 04, I want to say. Get the fuck out of here.

Yeah, I remember that. In 2010, I had my own solo show that I was just uploading to iTunes called This Is My Fucking Show. That was in 2010. And that more so was just like a practice rehearsal and just speaking. By yourself? By myself. I was uploading that. Joe Budden TV, we started that and I started that in 2007.

Damn. 2006. Be a full OG out here. And that went as long as it went. You were monetizing Joe Budden TV at the time? No. And you were monetizing Joe Bun TV at the time? No, there was no monetizing in 2007. There was no monetizing. You had to be down with, that came in 09,

and then when I seen Miss Info and Low Key and all of them, you had to be down with a gang to get monetization. Right, right. I forgot what the name of the gangs were. Yeah, I thought I was blowing it up. He blowing it up. Well, I don't mean to. But I mean, once you find out that there's coin to be had and you start to make calls and you see how protective people were over the different avenues.

Right. Because it was limited. Yeah, very limited. And at the time, when I started my podcast, like, there was nothing to be presented because what was anybody doing? Wasn't Peter Rosenberg at first, like, trying to monetize you? Like, he was trying to, like... He was trying to produce me.

Okay. But I'm difficult to produce. Because you're the only person who can produce you. I'm a producer. Yes. That makes sense. So, you know, I'm watching to see what you produce. Right.

And if you're not producing, then I can produce that. That's a producer's... Are you saying Pete Rosenberg was not producing? Can we get some switches, please? I'm not saying that because Rosenberg saw a talent and acted on an idea. I believe he was right. Yeah, he clearly was right. So I'm not saying he wasn't producing.

I'm saying at the time, my idea of producing and his idea of producing may not have been the same. He might not have known how to produce me at that time, but it just wasn't there then. It wasn't there.

You know, to talk about... And shout out to Rosenberg. I never want to deny him of the part that he played. The part that anybody played in my journey, my past, my path, my road to today. I don't ever want to discredit or sound like I am.

I love that. Let's make some noise for that. Hold on, hold on, because I think it's important to note that you weren't monetizing early on, but you were going hard in digital content space. It wasn't cool. It wasn't popular. It looked like you knew. It looked like you knew from the outside looking in.

I'm sorry. It looked like you knew what you was doing. Did you know? I knew what I was doing creatively. Did I answer your question? Creatively only. Yeah, and you knew that it was doing something. It was giving you some kind of, not revenue.

It was a return. It was a return. It wasn't a financial return, but it was a return for me. Like for Drink Champs, we did XM before the merger, and then Sirius XM for like two or three years. I always forget if it's two or three or what, but we did it for several years. So when I say Militant Crazy Royal Radio, a lot of people don't understand. We had a whole other show. In my studio in South Miami. Yep, we had a whole other show. We's what we're talking about. A lot of people don't understand that we had a whole nother show. In my studio in South Miami.

Yep. We had a whole nother show and... We made no money off of that. It was a weekly show. We had a DJ, a mix show part of it. And it looked and sounded just like Drink Champs.

But if you go look at it on YouTube right now, it's Drink Champs. It's Drink Champs. It's the same exact... It's just without Drink Champs. So that's why I credit you. You know,

I talk about you like this when you're not around. I credit you because you said, you said to me, we don't have to change nothing. And I was like, if that didn't work, why would we do something that didn't work? And he was like, it's because we didn't see the people.

He didn't get to the people that it was supposed to work with. And you were right. Let's make some noise for EFN. So at what point did you get to use like, man, fuck Rory and Ma Cuz you just cut them off it was like let's go You was just like the Joe button show now it was it was I was, thank God it's not called the Nori show. What was it? It was, it was called name that podcast later. Then the nigga said, Joe button show. You got to go.

That's, that's not true. I'm sorry. But that's not true though. I changed the name of the podcast long before, long before, uh, my previous co-host left. Okay. You don't even want to say their name. Damn. I don't.

Jesus. It got real. Yeah, when I was trying to figure out, I couldn't get over that 50,000 hump, and I couldn't figure out why. Like, this is 2015, year one. I remember saying to my co-host, you know, why can't this thing, my goal for next year is to get this thing over 50, year one. I remember saying to my co-hosts, why can't this thing,

my goal for next year is to get this thing over 50,000 listeners. This is ridiculous. But every time you went to search, you couldn't really find much because it was called I'll Name This Podcast Later. I tried to do the initials, acronyms. I tried everything. But it was like,

the last thing I thought to do or wanted to do was name my shit the Joe Budden Podcast. Right? But there's an equity that your name carries in this business. Right. So I've run into that problem quite a bit. My last album was called Rage in the Machine. I did that.

A-Rab did the whole thing. A-Rab music. A-Rab. A-Rab did the whole thing. I wanted us to be called a group. I wanted us to have a group name and put the second album out under that.

Yeah. That's what I wanted to do. Like Joe Rapp. Huh? Like Joe Rapp. That's the group. Something like that. Okay.

My distributors at the time just didn't see that because my name had an equity. There was a value in that but for a long time I tried not to use the name Joe Button it's funny they call me a narcissist I see how it looks that way

but it worked the second that we changed it to the Joe Button show or the Joe Button podcast you could see the gradual growth things were easy to track now. Things were, it helped.

It helped tremendously. And when it seemed like that might be a problem for my co-hosts, we added their name. We added their name. We said the Joe Budden podcast featuring blank and blank.

It said that. So, because this is a famous clip. I want to say famous clip of Ma, right? And he's saying, well, don't talk to me like that. I want respect. I want. And everyone seems to think that that's about you.

You know this clip that I'm talking about? No. All right. Well, it's a clip where he goes, well, certain people can't talk to me like this, and I just want respect. He said, I don't care about the bag because some of my closest friends are broke, and it's all over the Internet. And everyone always. Not my Internet. Not your Internet?

Everybody else's Internet, probably. All over the Internet. It must be two sides. I my internet. Not your internet? Everybody else's internet, probably. All over the internet. Exclusive. Must be two sides. I love people. So how is that? Because you see these guys, you guys make a separation, regardless of what, and they go and make this other podcast.

Is this something that you're giving a blessing to? Or is this something like- It went at the time. At the time that all of that was going on once we're not associated anymore everybody's free to do whatever they want to do right right and it was solely over the name over the calling it the joe bun pocket no y'all are talking about two different things oh so what was why change the show like why change the show and i'm gonna get to the show now. But, like, what was the nail that— The straw that broke the camel's back.

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The separation. What, when we finally... Yeah, why was it? The version that went to the public is that I was stealing. That you were stealing? Yeah. Why did I hear the opposite? That they would...

Or they... No, no, no. No, they thought I was stealing. They said that you were stealing? Yeah, fudging number. You so cute, this nigga. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm really trying... He's so cute.

No, I'm really trying because I... What I had heard was... What you heard? All right, this is what I... This is pure industry shit. This is not, like, anybody valid.

I love... This is what gets black male podcasters in trouble. That one little, let me tell you what I heard. This guy. Look, these guys are great. No, this is what I heard. You got to be careful.

You got to be careful. No, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you. You don't have to be careful over here. You don't have to tell me what you heard. We got your back. So what I heard was a bag came in.

They expected a certain type of bag and they didn't get, right? But the reason why I heard that was because it was a week before, I believe you criticized Gillian Wallow of not paying the engineer. Is this timelines? I have no idea,

so I'm just listening. Okay, yeah, yeah. No, but that's what I heard, is that because me, as an outsider looking in, I didn't see nothing wrong with you, Rory, and Maul. I thought y'all was like

a great combination. Yeah, seemed like good chemistry. Like, so I don't understand where there's any problem that happened. You'd have to ask me. Sure, it's not on your behalf. Well, I have nothing negative to say about anybody. Damn, Joe.

This is great. Yeah, yeah. Listen, I like that everybody is where they want to be. I feel like people signed NDAs over here. Doing what they want to do with the people that they want to do it with. Yes. I support that for everybody.

So give it up for that. Come on. Yeah, let's hear it. Look, look, look. Look, they mad. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. They won't give it up for that. No, no, no, no, no, no. We gave it up 90 times. Give it up for that. Nah. That was too much. Nah, you're going, no. We gave it up 90 times. Enough of that. Nah. That was too much. Nah, he gonna lie.

Quick time is gonna be fun. Look, we did not think he was gonna be that politically correct. Yeah. That's beautiful. We coming up on two years. This happened two years ago.

Right. I've done the interviews. They've done interviews. Yeah, you're past it now. Everybody's past it. There's been hearsay. There's been he say, she say. There's been you bump into people at parties.

You bump into people at clubs. There's been mutual. Like, in two years, you just have done it. Like, there is nothing to say about those gentlemen today. I hope they're doing what they want to do, and I hope they're doing it well. Goddamn, I love this. I love this. I wanted something else, but I

got what I got. And it's here. But this is a famous It's a famous U.N.H.O. meeting recently, right? I believe it's a club. I forget where it was. Right? And y'all spoke. A comedian had did a voiceover of y'all conversation.

Okay. But what was y'all real conversation? Yeah. So that's the version you saw, the voiceover? Yes, yes, yes. No, I saw both. He's like, the rumor was. Yeah, no, I saw both.

Let me tell you what the rumor was. But I saw both. But what was y'all conversation? That was his only source is the comedian voiceover. I love You don't You don't fuck with voiceovers No I do

But the way you're saying it Is hilarious Oh I watched both It's like you're Anderson Cooper And that was your source Holy shit So what was that conversation like Anderson Cooper

What was that conversation like You and Hov Seeing each other And just Chopping it up I don't know I don't know I don't know

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Okay. Because you know why? I'm going to be honest. That was the time where it was only you, us, and Rap Radar. That's it. There was nobody else outside.

Now the block is flooded. But that's not a bad thing. It is. No, it. There was nobody else outside. Now the block is flooded. But that's not a bad thing. It is. No, it isn't, man. I don't think it's a bad thing either. Fuck y'all. Stay inside. I think it's dope that we inspired people to try a different lane up. Whether it works or not

is different. I don't want to inspire none of y'all. Stay your ass home. See, and that's what I mean about when I get See? See, I'm not down with that. That's why I got killed. That's why I got killed. I'm not down with that. I'm not down with that. I'm glad that so many people

have this option. Yeah. I am. Okay, so we're going to act like... But the people out there that that try to take advantage of it or the people that take it for granted, rather, those are the people that I'm always talking to in terms of failure because y'all make it congested. They think it's easy. Yeah, the people that think it's easy, the people that just make it look bad. There's people out there that make it look bad. There's people out there that make it look

bad. That's why I joke about that whole black male podcaster thing because the women have ran with that line and they're right. Every time some niggas say something stupid, the ladies take it and say this is why these niggas don't need mics. And I be sitting

there like, they're right. The fuck is this nigga talking about? But that's just somebody who went to Radio Shack, bought a mic, got a neighbor that say stupid shit, sat with him. Hey, say something stupid. Here. All right, we out of here. All right.

Makes it tough now for the talent. Or not tough. Did you see the shot? Or not tough. Did you see the shot? The shot has a whole thing about this guy starting a podcast from his room, and all he's interviewing is his friends. Right.

And it's fucking awesome. But it's still credit. But that's not real. That's a show. Yeah, it's a show. Every show that I cut on is about a podcast, damn near. Yeah. I love and hate it.

No, that's dope. If we inspired it, that I love and hate it. No, that's dope. If we inspired it, that's dope. If we influenced it, that's dope. Again, like you said, I'm watching Chris Rock, and he's got to mention podcast. Drink Champs. Yeah, come on. Even though he freestyled that,

and I hit Envy, and I hit Charlamagne, and I was like, did y'all call him a bitch? Because I did. Envy and Charlamagne was like, but we love the shout out bitch Cause I didn't And Charlotte Maeve was like But we love this shout out I said For sure Cause we gotta love this shout out

Nah them niggas said Something foul about him Yeah yeah yeah They said something foul about him They might have said something foul What's up with Angela Leaving the breakfast club How do you feel about that

I don't You don't I wish her the greatest She has her She has her He comes on This is a rumor report man Yeah yeah

I don't. I fuck with Angela. I hope the show wins. I don't have no, there's no salacious tea. We went viral last time. I'm trying to get you. Give it a go. Well, that's because you took it upon yourself to say,

listen, fuck the nigga. Fuck him, fuck him, fuck him, fuck him. I did the fuck you part of the Joe Budden experience. I said fuck you to everybody that was outside that you could possibly say fuck you to. That's not my 40s and 50s. I don't want to design that way. I don't want to live.

And you're still out here rolling dolo. Yeah, my baby. That's it. Who I need to be with. One of the illest snipers in the game. Oh, I see. He go, you're the worst right now, bro.

Listen, man, I've been married 16 years, man. Congratulations. I live a boring life, man. I watch Drake. No, you don't. You watch Drake. You do not live a boring life.

I watch French Montana. The greats. Oh, you're talking about the greats. That's the greatest. You're talking about the greats right now. It's the great snipers, man. It is. They'll shoot you from Brooklyn.

In Wynwood. From Wynwood, they'll shoot you in Brooklyn. Joe, in your day, your jersey's up there. Thank you, man. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

Your jersey's up there, man. You want to give him his flowers again right now? Thank you. No, no, no, no. In Joe's day, man. Listen, man. In my day. In your day, man. I don't know In my day. In your day, man.

I don't know if your day has passed or if it's still present, but I'm just being honest. I'm just being honest. It's past. It's over. My day is over. You make us proud, man.

Thank you. You made us proud, man. You made us proud. Every light-skinned nigga in here saluted you in a different way when you walked through the door. Oh, my God. I love myself. I love myself. when you walk through the door.

I love myself. I love myself. That's all you can say. No, no, no, no. All right, let's name the greatest snipers. What is wrong with him? Let's name the greatest snipers. The greatest snipers.

Drake number one, hands down. Listen, no one can fuck with Drake. Put together your Navy SEAL team right now. If I go, if I'm putting the Navy SEAL team right now if I go if I'm putting the Navy SEAL team together Drake number one I'm not putting Drake number one you team captain

team captain we are I'm listening to him I'm not putting Drake number one Drake no no not Drake number one I mean is this

just a hip hop list okay let's go cause I know you got beef with Michael B. Jordan so it's not gonna be on your list I do you got beef with Michael B. Jordan, so it's not going to be on your list. I do not have beef with him. This nigga going to find some beef.

I do not have beef with Michael B. Jordan. He sniped one of your shorties. No, he didn't. I think they seen this. Well, if he did, he might. I don't know.

And you, that's what, because that comment seemed a little personal. Which comment? With Michael B. Jordan. Yeah, this nigga, man. Wait. It seemed like he did

something to you. But is that just good? Let me ask you. Is that, if it did come off that way, wouldn't that just be good podcasting? Yeah.

No, no, no. Tremendous podcast. What are you talking about? That's what I'm saying. Of course. I watched the shit back, too, and I was like, damn, that nigga seemed

too invested. He seemed way too salty. I did, yeah. You going hard for this. Oh, because he said, you corny. But, yo, let's just be clear. That was corny, yo. All right, let's just...

See, and that's the problem. It's just not enough niggas keeping it real in entertainment because it's entertainment. It's entertainment. So you niggas just out here showing their ass. They want to spoof everything from the 90s except for that energy where niggas kept it real. I'm just saying what's real.

If any one of us double back to this the chick from seventh grade That's why we up up up. They go call us quantity. Yeah That's what it's not deeper than that, but did you really diss her? He didn't really diss her. He just He just reminded her That's the difference you could diss if I'm reminding you At the height of my shit While you down there Doing a service At my shit I mean I could see my co-host

Doing that exact thing And probably you That's the same sign And I would say That that's corny And I would say That that's corny If Nori did that shit

I would call it corny No I I'm going to be honest But I don't have a beef with him And too many people Said that I do So if I Came off If I came off that way I'm going to be honest. But I don't have a beef with him. And too many people said that I do. So if I came off that way, I do want to apologize. There's a picture on the internet with you and a certain girl. On the internet?

With a voiceover? AI. No, I promise. There's a picture on the internet with you and a girl and then him with a girl. And they just running with that. Like, this is the reason why Joe is mad. I guess because I do seem mad. But I mean, but I seem mad often on the internet.

The internet's not real, by the way. Yes, yes, yes. I know people think it is. What's hilarious is content creates mad content. Yes. That is insane. Yeah, it's true. It's like, yeah, yeah.

Holy moly. If he popped one of mine, I don't know about it. I'm not angry at. It's like, yeah, yeah. Holy moly. If he popped one of mine, I don't know about it. I'm not angry at him. I'm not mad at him. So Michael B. Jordan walked through right now. You going to give him a pop? Yeah. Why would I not?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. What's he supposed to do? I don't know. Because she got real. You went in. It did not get real. Yo, that's the other thing about content.

It did not get real. I'm not going to lie. It was about nothing. No, but you looked in the camera and you said, this is why they call you corny. I ain't going to lie. He might snuff you, Joe. I'm going to be honest.

He might greet you. He might greet you, Slava. Good, good. I'm being honest. I've been waiting. That would be great content. And you're going to see the voiceover version of it. Hey, let me let y'all know,

that would be the end of my content days. I'm taking him to the cleaners. Yo, Joe, Joe, let me just say I'm suing. That's not happening. Number one. No, no, no. If one of you rich, you have to be rich, though. You got to be rich. You got to take the L.

Because, listen, Joe, Joe, we're going to be boxing. These are jokes, guys. Joe boxes. If you broke, we'll just fight. But if you rich, I'm 100% suing you. I'm never potting again. It's over. Oh, so a new Chris Rock situation.

Oh, you're going for the lawsuit. I'm out of here. In the Chris Rock situation. I'm weaponizing it like they do. You suing? In the Chris Rock situation, somebody come up to you. Oh, I would have sued. Let me hear it.

Michael B. Jordan coming to you and say, keep my wife's name out your mouth and smack you. You said, I'm suing Michael B. and the Jordan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's serving the papers right there. i'm suing michael b yeah and the jordan yeah yeah yeah he's serving the papers right there he already has the papers i'm talking but it do seem fun to do yeah like in the 90s that you was beating up or getting hit uh that were hitting you they wasn't mike millionaire so you could that wasn't an option you still had to just go to school the next day. But if Michael B. Jordan called you right now

and said, Joe, we got to shoot a film. See, that's the problem. This nigga's name is too hot. See, that's why you doing it and niggas do it. And when the name is out, we doing it now.

But come on, let's do it. All right, but. You know when you say the full name, Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan. Yeah, yeah. And when you try to

segue from it, he keep bringing it back. All right, come on. All right, go on. Michael B. Jordan did what, Noriega? Noriega. If he asks you for a fair one,

what is your buddies going to do? In the next Creed movie. That would be a check. That's a check. Or if he's saying, Joe, me and you. He don't sound like that. I don't know. What happens?

What did you say? You were on the phone. Michael B happens? Try to get me out of here. What did you say? What was you, you on the phone, you're like, Michael B., do you want to fight me? What? Nah.

You say no? Nah. I mean, if you wanted to, we could, I guess. Nah, because,

you know, you say shit like that, then them celebrity boxing niggas start DMing you, Joe, Joe, Joe, hit me,

hit me, yo, hit me, I got an opportunity. Dana White, Dana White. I got an opportunity. You know how many of them niggas just jump in my DMs. Yo, hit me. I got an opportunity. Dana White. Dana White. I got an opportunity. You know how many of them niggas

just jump in my deal. Yo, hit me. I got an opportunity. Fight Crook. Fight Crooked Eye. Like, no, nigga. No. Not fighting anybody.

Did this nigga say Crooked Eye? No, because that's my man. No, they look for anybody that they think that there's something with. That's my point. That was Crooked. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams and best-selling author and meat-eater founder Stephen Ranella. I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say, when cave people were here. And I'll say, it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6th, where we'll delve into stories of the West and come to understand how it helps inform the ways

in which we experience the region today. Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.

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And on a recent episode of Just Heal with Dr. J, the incomparable Taraji P. Henson stopped by to discuss how she's discovered peace on her journey. So what I'm hearing you saying is healing is a part of us also reconnecting to our childhood in some sort. You said I look how youthful I look because I never let that little girl inside of me die. I go outside and run outside with the dogs. I still play like a kid. I laugh, you know, I love jokes. I love funny. I love laughing. I laugh at myself. I don't take myself too seriously. That's the stuff that keeps you young and stops you from being so hard. To hear this and more things on the journey of healing, you can listen to Just Heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

AT&T, connecting changes everything. Yeah, you definitely went solo on Slaughterhouse too. As soon as you didn't like Eminem Dale, he was out. What you clapping? You clapping along? No, we ain't clapping along. along Yo we're not going back On your career We're just going back On rumors

Yeah Controversial rumors I clearly made this up Everyone Let's talk about The struggles Is there a question Wrapped in here

Give it to me But I'm leaving too unscathed Let's be clear You and Royce At one point It looked. You and Royce, at one point, it looked like you and Royce sided with each other. He's a messy nigga. He's a messy ass nigga.

Messy-ega. It's too early for this, man. No, messy-ega. He just left booby trapped, though. He ain't been out he ain't had he ain't had fresh sunlight

for five hours before he get right to Matt he still smell like listen my son didn't even make it my son went to the

holy shit Messie Ager but at one point it looked like it looked like Joe and Royce is in the sunlight And Crooked and Joel

Is kind of like In I don't want to say Then don't say it If you don't want to say it I don't want to say it I love podcasting I don't want to say it Turn my mic up

But it looked like that, right? It looked like that, and. My level's good? Am I clear? I'm about to say some shit I've never said before. Yo E, you hear me on the headphones? I got you, you good. But it looked like that, from the outsiders looking in,

from the internet, the internet. Outsiders looking in is his favorite shit too. That's his shit. You an inside ass motherfucker. I'm glad you picking up on, I'm glad you picking up on all this. favorite shit too. That's the shit. You an inside ass motherfucker. I'm glad you're picking up on all this. No, that's why we're great together.

You know, that's how the internet took it and then it seemed like Joel and Crooked got together and they made this whole album and it's kind of like

they were shading you and Royce. I see how one could take it that way. Okay. Be that bad. Pardon me. Ask them about

what they were doing. Well, they were just sharing the truth. They said that. So. But, but, but,

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but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, I ruined everything. Everything that you loved, I ruined that shit. I believe you. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take the blame.

We don't need, because again, even after 10 years long of just stories and talking, hey, I did it. It was you. I did it. No, it was me. It was me. With Slaughterhouse, you're owning up to that one. Yes.

It was me. Okay, but I got to ask particularly. See, look. Because rumor has it, E1 gave y'all a tremendous deal and Shady Records gave y'all a tremendous deal. Okay. I don't know about what was tremendous and what wasn't.

I think E1 gave us an opportunity. I think Shady gave us an opportunity. Grateful for both. Like, which one was more lucrative? Who knows? I don't think our business was being done the right way anyway at the time. So I couldn't say. Did you have one

manager? No, we hadn't. Four managers. Four managers. Yeah, terrible. That sounds like a mess. That was a tough thing that that crew to put together. I did try to bring one person to manage the group's entity at one point

and that didn't go well. You know what I love? Rumors. I love rumors. And voiceovers. And again, this is a rumor. Oh, give it to me.

I love rumors. This is a rumor. You know how many voiceovers are going to come out of this? A house slaughter house got formed. I believe you did a how you, this is a rumor, of how you, You know how many voiceovers are going to come out of this? How Slaughterhouse got formed. I believe you did a record towards Royce, or Royce did a record

towards you, and y'all started to, This record? Yeah, and then, Joel came in, and then, is that how it formed?

Slaughterhouse? No, you conflating things again. All right, but it was, but I guess all that's true at different points. I did a record

that wasn't the friendliest to royce but i never put it out because him and i got cool and then it got leaked and then he had this it was some back and forth going on and we squashed that and then i reached out for a verse because it was squashed and that was the slaughterhouse track was me roy's crook joelle, Joel, and Nino Bless. And the reaction was great. So we just kept it up. Right.

Like, it was really as simple as that. Did y'all have to add in a West Coast guy? No, Crook was on that song. Crook was on that song. So we kept everybody from the song except for Nino Bless. Oh, Nino Bless. Yeah. And shout out to him.

Yeah, shout out to Nino Bless. Would there ever be another quick, another slaughterhouse? Like, would you like ever like go to Malibu for two weeks? That would be dope just for fans though. Just yeah.

Like, I would love it. You heard him? What'd he say? No, I did not hear him. I don't give a fuck about fans. He said you don't give a fuck

about fans. He said I don't care about fans. I don't care about, not in terms of where they could dictate my actions. But not about like music. That's like when somebody comes up and says, hey, take a picture the fans. He's saying, I don't care about fans. I don't care about... I respect that. Not in terms of where they could dictate my actions. But not about, like, music. That's like when somebody comes up and says, hey, take a picture of me.

It's my birthday. Nothing calls you to want to get on the mic and do something? I don't care about your birthday. What about the fans asking? No. I'm just... They're coming out. Look.

I'm not coming out. I'm just telling the truth. Yes, he's telling the truth. That's what we like. No, it would be a great look for, like, the fans. Like, I wish I could tell you all truth. Yes, he's telling the truth. That's what we like. It would be a great look for the fans. I wish I could tell you all that goes into putting an album out. I know. All of the blood, sweat, tears, equity, soul-searching, reflecting, lonely nights, hungry nights, sleepless nights that go into an album.

So you're saying you've left that completely behind. I'm saying if I do it again, it certainly is not going to be because of the fans. It's because monetarily it's a reason for it. Not monetarily. Like my son asked me for a verse. I thought that was fly. I didn't do it. Oh, shit. Wait.

Stop. What did you just say? You Virgos are fly. I said my son asked me for a verse, and I thought that was fly. I didn't do it, but I considered it. That's fly. Why didn't you do it? Because,

you've been bigging up your mom for like three albums now. Don't try to come get a verse out of me. Oh, man. Y'all, y'all paying attention. That's real.

Wow. And that's a joke. He did not just say you've been bigging up your mom's voice I think the album was called Mama's Boy Nah, nah, fuck that

Get a verse from her He wanted you on the verse Of Mama's Boy He wanted me to intro it That's my baby, man Man, I'm joking I'm talking shit I'm talking shit

Nah, but Joe Let me ask you that question. You're on the road. For the right money, would you go in and make another album? No, not for the right money. So it's not money.

It's not a monetary thing. It's not money. Like, see how I said my son asking me was fly. Right. But you didn't do it, so that didn't, the fly just didn't matter.

No, but if something is fly, like, I'm going to consider it. It's not going to be money to get me to a studio to lay something. It's not going to be money to get me to a studio to lay something. It's not going to be money. I have money. Like, Hov called you today and said, I want to do Pump It Up right now.

Pump It Up again? I'm not doing that. That would be ridiculous. That's the first time you messed up. You can't say no no more, Joe. No, I can't. If one of the greatest rappers ever called me, that's all of them. Okay. And say, yo, let me get a verse. No, I need to go brush up.

So Biggie called you right now? Yeah, and catch me, I need to go brush up. That's big. Okay. That's Hov, that's Black Thought, that's Royce, that's whoever it is. Right. You're not just calling me out of bed, ain't wrote a verse in eight years. So how about Kodak Black?

I love Kodak Black. Because he called you and said, yo. I'm not, no, no, no, no, no. You're not going to take a mess to have about Kodak Black? I love Kodak Black. Did he call you and say, Joe, I'm not... No, no, no, no, no. You're not going to take a mess tab with Kodak? No, that's not where... Where did it go from doing a verse to taking a mess tab? I don't know. I just want to do a mess tab. Why? So we can go do a record that'll fucking get all the streams in the world

and then be paid fucking half a penny? Half a half a half a half a half a penny for it? No. Fuck them niggas Yes No The part of being liberated Is not being trapped in that system For me

Right Like It's a rap I have to have something A message that I want to say It has to go back to the root of How hip hop was birthed We had something to say

Like And I have something to say I just don't know How How that is So you've thought this through Obviously The way you're talking right now is like you thought what would inspire you? No, I mean as you age you think about Fight finality you want like a public enemy moment type of record I want a record to hear how this version of Joe Budden would sound

Or an EP to hear how this version of Joe Budden would sound or an EP to hear how this version of Joe Budden would sound. Right. Cause I've never heard from him. Y'all, they've never heard him. They've heard me when I was using rap to stay alive and survive. And this was just my therapy and my confessional. With the move music? Today is, it would be different. It would be, my mind is different Everything is different I'm not I'm not going to lie to you bro

It's my first time in Miami Without smoking a cigarette Congratulations You want a cigarette Go ahead Light one up What a bad friend Oh my bad

I stopped smoking cigarettes He stops but he'll offer I'm not going to lie to you It's alright It's alright Joe I'm going to tell you something I'm not going to lie to you It's alright Joe I'm going to tell you something I'm not going to lie to you We're 100% honest

When you was doing the mood music And you would go to SOB's And you would sell that shit out And you would sell it out with no features You would just come And just talk to the crowd And I would go there A couple nights and I would sneak in.

And I would just look because I didn't understand. To me, that's the evolution of us taking control of our own culture because you were independent at that time, correct? Yeah.

And you were doing these move music ones, move music twos, and then you would go to SOBs and they would be sold out. And I would sit there and I would be like, all right, cool.

I want to see what this shit, because none of this music was on the radio. Oh yeah, no, no. None of this music was on the radio. So I would sit back and I would be like,

this can't be real. And I would go and I would look and I would be like, wow. I would see how much, I would go right in the back and I would just see you perform

records that I've never heard on the you perform Records that I've never heard On the radio Records that I've never heard And But the fans Knew Every single word Yeah

I'm going to be honest with you Face to face Man to man I can't believe You don't rap no more I hear that all the time though Like I'm not going to lie to you

There's a lot of people Who Don't rap no more Because The people are not listening to them. So it's convenient for them to say, I don't rap. You are not that person. No, I think there's a lot of people that either want to hear me rap or want to tear me down when I start.

I think there's a lot of those people out there that want to hear what I have to say or kick my back in as soon as I try to say something. Wow. So there's people out there, want to hear what I have to say or kick my back in as soon as I try to say something. Wow. So there's people out there, but nah, not yet. It's mastering the pivot

is what I think you've been able to do. You've been able to pivot. Thank God. Thank God, though. Yeah. Thank God. Like, if you let the music

industry determine your fate, you'll be fucked. You'll be fucked. So thank the Lord that I'm able to do that. Thank the Lord that my fans have traveled with me. So you do care about your fans. Because the way you said it before.

I always care about my fans. Yeah. I always care about my fans. That crucial time he's talking about, these are loyal, diehard fans that I'm sure carried on to this day. And by the way, let me just tell you something. And I never told you this ever.

I was also in Boston, Rhode Island, and I snuck into your shows. I was just sitting there just watching with a hoodie on. This is before Instagram, obviously. I would just look, and I was like, yo, this guy got real loyal fans. It was easy for me to see you transition to podcasting and seeing your fans follow the journey from

there to there but there's a lot of people that can't do that good and a lot of people won't pivot a lot of people don't pivot it's very difficult for them to move yeah but it's definitely it's never just to go back to what uh he was saying it's never never fucked the fans. That was my response to, would you do it for the fans? No, because if you don't know the business, they'll try to get you to do everything for a look, or it's a good look, or the fans. No, I'm not doing that for that. But as far as the fans, no.

No, I've been fucking with, I've been talking to them since 2000. Why? I like that. The labels didn't have social media departments when I was doing that. New media departments. They didn't exist.

Now, I got- You were the guy in the comments before anybody was doing that. No, I ain't gonna lie to you. What you were doing back then was remarkable. I'm being honest. You, and it's gonna sound crazy what I'm about to say, but you set it up for

Russ to be who Russ is. I love Russ. I love Russ. I love what he's doing. But with Russ, it's crazy to say. To put that bridge. That bridge. Joe was the first person I seen selling independent hard ticket sales without a label.

Right. I have never saw that before. And I was, you know, I want to call it purgatory, right? I'm in between heaven and hell, right? But I'm still living, my mortgage is still paid, but I know I got to do something else. And I'm sitting around and I'm like,

all right, cool, because independent, I hated being independent. And I've always said it, I'm going to say it again. Independent is for independent. Don't forget. Remember, you can't forget

like Strange Music, which you guys toured with. They were doing it. Even Hieroglyphics going back were some of the first that were doing it. I was not successful being independent.

I do not like it. I do not support it. I do not recommend it. That's just me. That doesn't mean that you can't go independent. That doesn't mean you can't go independent. I do not like it. I do not support it. I do not recommend it. That's just me. That doesn't mean that you can't go independent. It doesn't mean you can't go independent. It doesn't mean my personal experience. So when I'm seeing a friend of mine,

this is a friend. I got his number. I could call him. But I was just like, I just want to see the real. The realness to it. So I was in Rhode Island and you happened to be there and I was in Boston. And I came and I was like, this nigga sold out the SOBs of Rhode

Island too. And Boston. SOBs of Boston. Whatever the 500 cap room was anywhere in the Northeast, I'm a legend there. And what's crazy is none of these records

are on the radio. So I don't know how... Yeah, neither one. They would have killed me if I did Pump It Up in one of them shows. I don't know how to assess this because that's my whole career

is my record has to be on the radio. If my record's not on the radio, it's not considered a hit. I can't sell out shows. Meanwhile, this is my friend. I'm seeing him. I'm in the state. And you sold out.

Not one record was on the radio. Now, wait. While you're doing that run, are you wishing that you had records on the radio? No. Are you comfortable in this independent space? That was a trap. Okay.

The radio records and the cosign that came, comes with, and the contract that that comes with, all of that shit, for me, early on, was a myth. I didn't want to be trapped in that. I wanted to have a direct line to my fans and my music. Right. Right? Like, again, in 2001, I was trying to play today's game then,

and Kevin Lowes looked at me like I was a Martian. Hey Game then And Kevin Liles Looked at me Like I was a Martian Hey I made this song Yesterday I'm gonna put this song Out tomorrow Hey my album's been done Why is it

What's What was going on Why is it Hey why the commercials Say my album Why the commercials Say my album Is coming in eight weeks

Like Like you Fat Cav or Skinny Scav It's Fat Cav Fat Cav It's Fat Cav Yeah I love Skinny Scav Shout out to both Yeah But Yeah this was Fat Cav I get? Fat Cav or Skinny Cav? It's Fat Cav. Fat Cav. It's Fat Cav. Yeah, I love Skinny Cav. Shout out to both.

Yeah. But, yeah, this was Fat Cav. I get drunker more with Skinny Cav, but I love Fat Cav as well. Yeah. That's my favorite. Oh, no, yeah, at the time, we didn't understand none of that shit.

He wasn't with none of that shit I was talking about. Today, niggas can do what they want. Yeah. They'll make a record at 12 o'clock. That should be out 12.13. Yeah, 12.01. Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, no, we didn't have that for you. You know what, Joe? It was the Wild Wild West back then. I just realized. And wait, and that's the time now of, that's the birth of the superstar executive too now in 2000, 2001. That's when they, that's when the-

Lior Combs becomes a superstar. Nigga, no, not even Lior. It's when they, that's when the, Lior Combs becomes a superstar. No, not even Lior. It's the other niggas. The head and brain. Kaiser's a superstar. Pecos is coming as a superstar now.

Yeah, Lior was his brother. Pecos is coming through now. Was that forever? Yeah, Lior is Lior. I'm talking about everybody. Big up Mike Kaiser.

That's my brother. That's what I'm saying. I ain't even talking about Kaiser, but it's other people. Kaiser is a rock star, but there's other people that was like, all right,

got it. That was the age of, oh, this budget money is moving around in this building. Ain't y'all in the fantasy league? You, Kaiser? Yeah, yeah.

Fans of football. Daru. Yep, fans of football. Or Gotti. Yeah, that's the money league. That's my money league. Yeah, you prefer to be in this. What is this

You're making a lot of money I feel like this is Illuminati Yeah but you're making a lot of money I'm going to take a piss while y'all talk Okay Because I keep seeing y'all 40-40 It's you

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Is Thou in there, too? No. No, no, no. But I'm not the commissioner of that league. It's a private, secret thing. I can't speak on it. This is Illuminati.

But I've been getting crashed. This is Illuminati that y'all been talking about. Just know at the end of the year, I have paid every time because it's gone for about five, six years now. Just so y'all know,

this is him admitting he's an Illuminati. Wait, what? I'm just clapping like, wait a minute. You believe in Illuminati? No, I don't believe in it. I believe in something that exists

but the way that people think that it is, no. I don't believe it because I would have sacrificed my family members immediately. I agree with that. I think there's an Illuminati, but it's not what people think it is. I agree with that. Yeah, it is.

I agree with that. And you know what it is? It's the top shelf people, and they don't really kind of want to. They want Hov. I would think that. They want Nas. Yeah, the rest does. Yeah, the rest does. They don't give a fuck about us.

Did you see Nas' show recently? At the Garden. At the Garden. No, I did not. I don't give a fuck about us. Did you see the Nas show recently? At the Garden. At the Garden. No, I did not. I mean, I saw clips of it, of course. I can't lie to you, bro. You know, it's probably one of the

hardest phone calls I ever made because we had podcasts that day. So I had to text him and say, yo, bro, I can't make it. And it wasn't him that I was concerned with. It was Jungle. Because Jungle was in there for me so much, man. I love Jungle.

And Jungle said, you're not coming? And it was a text. But I heard him yelling. Like, you're not coming? Like, he didn't, it wasn't all caps or nothing. But it was just like, and I was like, damn. And then I seen Nas give a shout out

to his mother who used to work across the street from Madison Square Garden at the post office. And for us living from Queens, coming to Manhattan, period, you made it. I don't give a fuck. If you can leave Queens

And get over that 59th Street Bridge You can get on the R train You can get on the E train And you can get into Manhattan From 74th and Roosevelt Jackson Heights And you transfer that train

And you get into Manhattan And when I see Nah I say that It just like I just I literally cried I don't blame you I literally cried I say that It just like I just I literally cried I don't blame you I literally cried

I don't blame you And I'm a bitch ass nigga Cause I should've called him And I should've said this The first time you're gonna hear this Is here But I felt him so much Because

Of You know Being a rapper Is a very hard job What do you think is harder? Being a rapper Or being a rapper is a very hard job. What do you think is harder, being a rapper or being a podcaster? Oh, being a rapper. Yeah, I agree.

Being a rapper. I don't even think there's any competition. We were just listening to your song, and you were saying NBA on your song. Okay. Never broke again. Mm-hmm. Now, there's a famous rapper who I'm a fan of. I'm kind of scared of him.

Me too. But I'm a fan of NBA Never Broke. Like, I don't want to say nothing wrong about him. Why? He said he's not living like that no more.

Listen, man. He said he's not living like that. He has what it is to be a star. One million percent. But you had a song saying... Never broke again. Yeah. Did you think you and him had an older conversation?

No, I don't think I'm old or anything. Okay. Yeah, no, I don't think a conversation, I don't think he owes me anything, no. Because sometimes that happens, like, you know, young guys, they think that they made up something that's already been made up yeah no but even with that right like i got that song damn who made that hook i forget his name but these know him he just braid all the popping hooks like i gave that hook was on that beat like i wouldn't even take take credit for it right but i see i get it he might have said something about it before i said like big, like, picked you up?

Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. You can't blame a generation that doesn't know. Period. And to me, it's just not even that important. It's like, who cares? I don't care where none of y'all got your name from.

Like, how many records in the 90s that we thought this was purely coming out of these people? Like, they thought of these rhymes. Like, how many records? That they're referring to something that was in the 80s. Everyone's calling everyone slime. You mean that? Are you salty about it?

Salty. Yo, you a hater on the low, yo. Salty, yes. You a hater. Salty, yes. You just finding that out now? Nor is a hater. No, no.

Let me just be clear. Nor is a hater. He is. No, no. All right, look. Just so y'all know, because I feel terrible that these drinks are still here, so I'm going to finish them off.

All right. But how are you a hater if you at the top of your field? No, it's not a hater. They're not related. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. The thing about it is, slime was invented. Let me tell you how slime was invented.

Big up to my brother down Leezy, wherever you at, I love you. You've told this story quite a bit on the show. Let me tell it again. Downleasy went and said, Downleasy's the hugest pork eater I've ever known. He eats the pigs, everything.

So Downleasy came to me and said, slime, I'm going to the store to get a Pepperdine sandwich. Pepperdine sounded like came to me and said, Slime, I'm going to the store to get a Pepperdine sandwich. Pepperdine sounded like pork to me. I said, no. Come to find out, Pepperdine was a version of turkey. He comes to the studio. I said, oh, let me get a half.

This is exactly how Slime started. He said, it's a slime ass nigga. That's it. is exactly how slime started. He said, it's a slime ass nigga. That's it. He said, yo, I just asked you, did you want a hero? You said no. And from that version on, what we wanted to do,

this is what's crazy about slang, because I also invented the word haterade and jump off. We'll get to that. This was the word haterade and jump off. Well, look. We'll get to that. This was fucked up about slang. People use that as a gang terminology.

Right. They say you slime, then you affiliated with a certain gang. You niggas is bozos. Oh, panning. And I'm going to say this because With a certain gang You niggas is bozos Oh Panning And I'm going to say this because I'm the person that made I did not invent the word slime

I did not invent the word slime But I made it famous And it was always used To just be slime You slime You missed your flight You slime And it was also used to just be sly. You sly. You missed your flight. You sly. And it was also kind of to replace the word nigga.

So it was kind of like positive. It was kind of, it created to be positive. And now the way they use it, I'm so disgusted. Because I've recently just seen like two young dudes and they just like yo slime and then i just i've watched them and i literally wanted to shoot them both if i was still in that era i really wanted to be like why would you like why would you, like, why would you? And this is something that I'm a part of. It's something that I

brung to the game. I met Young Thug. Okay. Once. And one of his homies said, he grabbed me and said, this is the big sly. I enjoyed that.

Okay, incriminate yourself. Yes. Cool. I mean, that can be fun. Okay, incriminate yourself. Yes. Cool. I mean, that can be fun. Hey, chop me out of that clip. I's never met anybody. No. I'm that big, medium, or small slime.

Yeah, no. I don't know what slime is unless it's the Nickelodeon shit from the ceiling, the green shit. They can say I took their shit. Yeah, don't get me with the... You see? They coming after me.

Somebody's mad at everything. Are we doing Quick Time and Sly? Are we? We got to make it quick. All right, go ahead. Yeah, we don't have a lot of time. We don't have a lot of time. We got to go.

You got your shot glass, Joe? We got to go. Nori ate up all the time. Yes, I ain't got a lot. Get me out of here. I'm headed to the pool. Yo, and you didn't... You officially...

Let me tell you something. You're officially a rapper and officially an OG because when- I'm younger than all these niggas. Yeah, yes, yes,

we are. But we invited you to Booby Trap last night and then we said, Booby Trap and then the drink chance, you said,

I can't do both. I said, that's official OG. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Nah, I read the text back. And that was after a nap. I had just woke up.

It's two in the morning. No, we didn't even get here yet. I was like, wait, what? Yeah. Yo,

they want you there at 3.30. Booby trap is foul. Y'all live different out here. Let's get into quick time with Slop, man. None of the women in booby trap is foul. Y'all live different out here. Let's get into quick time with Slime, man. None of the women in booby trap are fine enough for me to leave a bed and get to y'all at 3.30 in the morning at my age. I wake up at 4. I beg to differ, Joe.

You married, so no you don't. Yeah, it definitely is a club. Last night, it was like Christmas. That'sostle. Little Yostle. It's more like a club. Yeah, it definitely is a club. Last night, it was like Christmas. That's out here. Text me about it. I'll be in bed. And I was the guy with my wife.

I was the guy in the club with my wife. I was the guy. I was that nigga. Everybody looking at me like, look at the y'all. Head ass ass. I was that guy.

I'm sorry, guys. Yes, it was me. Actually, what time did y'all leave? I left at six and I still was here on time. Y'all were here. And we still here on time. That's why I can't move to Miami. That's right.

As you make your move. No, no, no. Why? I don't condone that. So we got quick time on style? Quick time. All right, let's do it. All right, let's go.

You know what it is, right? Yeah, yeah, come on. We have to explain the rules? This is when you get everybody in trouble. Yes. All right, two choices. Pick one we don't drink. Pick two or neither.'s do it. All right, let's go. You know what it is, right? Yeah, yeah, come on. We have to explain the rules? This is when you get everybody in trouble. Yes. All right, two choices. Pick one we don't drink. Pick two or neither. We drink it. Got it.

Got it. Let's go. It's water anyway. First one is Big L or Biggie? Biggie. Tupac or DMX? Tupac. You're not reading any of these?

No, I'm just noticing you wearing a redding ring. You ain't telling nobody. I'm just noticing. I'm just noticing you wearing a redding ring. You ain't telling nobody. I'm just noticing. I'm just noticing. We talked about this already. He just knew I heard it. And by the way, and by the way. Big marriage.

We're engaged. We're engaged. We're engaged. Okay, congratulations. God damn it. Congratulations. Yeah, let's skip to that. Yo, listen, we found out he was engaged through Instagram.

We in the whole group chat. Nigga ain't tell nobody nothing. Boris didn't know me. Boris and Charles was talking like, what's going on here? Oh my God. We hit Eddie Giggs

and Paul and we said, what the fuck is going on in Kindle? Go ahead, continue. You motherfuckers in Kindle. ADD, take it over. Million dollars worth of game or rap radar?

And if you want to explain any of this, you can. Which rap radar? I mean, whichever one. Oh, there's two sides? Yeah, they just came back. They just came back. Whatever version you want

to add to this equation. I'm going to say rap Radar because they were first. Okay. They probably paved someone away from them. Yes, they did. We love B. God and we love Elliot Wilson. And we missed the train. Yeah, but shout out to Gillian Waller.

Yeah, for sure. Because you don't got beef with Gillian Waller. Because on the verses, who would win, you or Gilly? We wouldn't do a versus. A 20-minute versus. 20-minute versus. We both lose. Go down more, 10 minutes.

We both lose. 10-minute versus. I will win a versus. You will win it? Against Gilly? He playing with me. I'm not playing with you. I'm not even doing this with you.

Royce or Jamal Ortiz? I'm going to doing this with you. Royce or Juwan Ortiz? I'm going to always say Royce. Scarface or Ice Cube? Whoa. Both, you said? I said whoa. You can have some Amahuana. I'm fine.

You picked? Damn. I'll just pour just in case. You know what's funny? On my top 20 list, not even 20, my top 15 list, they're right behind each other. Who? Scarface and Ice Cube.

They're right behind each other. We're going to take a shot for you? No, I'm going to pick. Okay. But it don't matter. So you can't really pick, so we're just going to have to Okay. But it don't matter. They write. It don't. They write. So you can't really pick, so we're just going to have to drink. Yeah, and we want to drink anyway.

Well, I'm going to pick Cube. I'm going to pick Cube because Jack and the Beats is before my mind is playing tricks on me. Is it really? I don't know. That's very close. That's very close in time frame. Jack and the Beats, I think, came out first. I don't know. I'm going to be honest. That was just for Beats, I think, came out first. I don't know.

I'm going to be honest. That was just the most hip-hop-est answer ever. But I don't think so. Google it. Let's Google it. I don't think so. Google what? It's very close. I think I'm right.

They're very close in time frame. Jacket for Beats? Jacket for Beats. Jacket for Beats came out before my mind is playing tricks on me. Which was his EP, right when he left NWA. No, that was his album. No, that was an EP. Jacket for Beats is on America's Most Wanted.

No, it wasn't. Yes, it is. No, that was on his EP. It's on America's Most Wanted. I'm it wasn't. Yes, it is. No, that was on his EP. It's on America's Most Wanted. It is? I'm telling you. Fuck, bro, and I'm an Ice Cube fanatic. Yes, you are an Ice Cube fanatic. It might have been on the EP, too, though. It might have been on the EP, too, though.

Alright, let's take a shot for that. So what came out first? My mind playing tricks on me came out. Yeah, 90. Ice Cube first. Damn. Salud. Damn, you got me. I'm going to drink just because you... Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Shout out to Joe for being hip hop or the hip hoppest. And Jacket for Beats what?

Was what? 90. 90. See, I told you it was pretty close. Right there. Damn. That was some hip hop ass again. That was fucking good.

And shout out to Ian for being engaged. God, bro. Really? What the fuck? Well, he clearly tried to keep it away from you guys. He don't like us at all. Yeah, he don't fuck with you at all. He wanted me to tell him before I told my girl.

Yes, yes, I did. We making history here, motherfucker. Mobb Deep or Outkast? Well, Outkast is the greatest group of all time, but I'm from New York. Take a shot? I'm from New York. So you're taking a shot? I mean, but Outkast is the greatest group of all time, but I'm from New York. Take a shot? I'm from New York.

So you're taking a shot? I mean, but OutKast is better than Mobb Deep. I'm not going to be on camera saying otherwise. But Queens, Mobb Deep, rest in peace, Prodigy. Rest in peace, Prodigy. So wait, we're drinking? I picked. Y'all was just drinking.

Yeah. My goal is always to pick and pick rather easily. I always see people come up here and just, oh! How did you have nobody ever ask me that? Oh, God. I got to take a sip. No, you don't. No, you don't. You can answer it.

Y'all is crazy. I don't want to look like that. I want to answer. Who was one of the fastest Somebody was really good Was it George Clinton Like No I hated on that episode

Yeah Why George Clinton Yeah yeah George Clinton And Izy Brothers too Wait wait To the Izy Brothers

The Izy Brothers Is really good Yeah book at Alright New Jack City Or Juice New Jack City Red Or? New Jack City. Red or meth?

I'm from Harlem. Red or meth? Red is from Jersey. All right. And you had beef with Meth Man at one point. Nah. You had light-skinned beef. That wasn't beef.

That wasn't beef. Tension, maybe. That wasn't beef. Fab or pusher? Oh, I'm... It probably should be pusher oh i'm it probably should be pushed i'm gonna say fab one up or combat why you look confused i didn't want to i didn't want to jump in on that one yeah i wanted to skip that one good what i listen fat anytime i've ever called fab for a feature He showed up When I was nobody

In a queen's basement Yeah He had joints out He was clue He was still Fab And he came through And gave me a verse And he came back

And changed it One hip Or combat jacket Combat jacket Okay Snowfall or BMF They both ain't the I'm watching them both.

Last NoFall season was ass. The episodes now, the new ones. The new ones, they're trying to get it back, but it's the last season now. BMF might run longer. And they both real stories, so let me see. I like the story of Meech better. So I'll go with BMF So I'll go with BMF.

I'll go with BMF. MOP or Onyx? That should have been MOP or Mob D. Yeah, that's what it should have been. Talk to our quick time with Slam. That don't matter. Onyx. Onyx is before MOP. Like a long way before MOP

for me. No. Yes. There was no MOP when Slam came out. Slam! Now I'm going to have to challenge you. You can challenge me all you want. How about some hardcore came out early on? Not. Hardcore is 89, right?

No. Hardcore is 94. Man, if you write on this, I'm going to have to. How about some hardcore came out and. No, you might be right. I'm right. You might be right. That's nowhere near Slam. Yeah, Throw Your Guns came out and... No, you might be right. I'm right. You might be right. There's nowhere near Slam.

Yeah, Throw Your Guns came out first for sure. Boy, yeah, 92. Because I remember watching it on Jukebox. 92. Yo, it was really hip-hop, yo. I know my shit.

Yo, yo, yo, I'm impressed. That's good. I'm impressed. I thought you got rich and forgot. What? Throw Your Guns in here. What about? How about some barf?

No way. No way that came out in 93. Joe was. What are you typing? Just write M-O-P. How about some more? 94? So one year barf?

Damn you by this fucking one year shit. He's been beating you all day. God damn. By one year Bart Damn you By these fucking One year shit He been beating you By one year God damn Go to the next one Fuck your one year memory man Cause I was there When most of these people debuted

So I mean I was spinning the records When all these things debuted No but hold on Hold on Let me just Let me just say Let me just chime in on something

The reason why Joe is winning and the reason why we win is we were fans. We are fans. Yeah, like I know all of this. I can talk about this shit like it was yesterday. Yeah, that's beautiful.

All of this stuff. This stuff is what raised me. That's beautiful. Like I don't just, I'm not one of these talking heads. Like I'm not one of these little corny niggas that they found to come. I'm not one of these little corny niggas that they found to come.

I'm not them. I was in this. I like it. Let's go. They try to whitewash hip-hop, and a lot of these niggas play a part. I'm not in that. No, we are not in that. Let's go. Charlamagne or academics?

Podcast or radio? Podcast. Loyalty or academics? Podcast or radio? Podcast. Loyalty or respect? Yo, if I was old Spicy Joe, I would give y'all some trouble. Yo, yo, yo. Hey, hey, hey. Brother Wolf of growth and maturity.

Yo, listen. Hey, hey. If I was old Spicy Joe, I hear the questions because I can hear the voice in my head saying, get that nigga. Listen, by the way, as EFN is asking you the questions, I can see the vein. I can hear it. I can see it.

I can hear it in your brain. He answered so quickly to avoid it. I'm taking the shot. He didn't get out of there. I'm taking the shot just cause. He didn't get out of there. He didn't get out of there. Yes, Joe, you have I'm taking the shot. I'm taking the shot just cause. I'm taking the shot. Get out of there. Get out of there.

Yes, Joe, you have grown. You have grown. You have grown. So answer the last question. Loyalty or respect? Respect. The fuck if I can't have some disrespectful niggas loyal? Get away from me.

But, yeah, I'll take the respect. I respect that. But you got a bonus on this one. Go ahead. Hey! Let's go. You got a bonus! You need a microphone?

Oh, yeah, we got a microphone. Yeah, we being professional. All right. Because the fans say, the fans say we never include the women. And the women that we do include, they get mad. So I'm going to put two new ones.

How you going to blow us up like that? This is for Joe. Joe. Hold on, I'm trying to remember this. You want me to give them? Thank you. Lori Harvey or Larissa Pippen.

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I'm not picking Larissa. I picked her for anything. You picked Larissa already. No, I didn't. He said Larissa. I said Larissa. I was just correcting him. Oh, you're saying who's the better sniper?

No. It's no criteria. He's just asking me to pick one. There's two names. I'm picking the young sister. Okay. Lori Harvey? Yeah. I'm not going to lie. That's it. You're not going to be the big one. There's two names. I'm picking the young sister. Okay. Lori Harvey? Yeah.

I'm not going to lie. That's it. You're not going to lie? Lori Harvey? I don't look at her like the rest of these hip-hop niggas look at her. Yeah, I don't either. She's young. Yo, you know, I can't look at nobody's daughter that I grew up with like that.

I know it's weird, and I know she's beautiful. Right. Yes. But like Corley Ray, I know your dad. Yes. Yeah, that's real. I know your dad, Corley. Lori Harvey, I know your dad. Yes. Yeah, that's real. I know your dad, Corley Ray. I know your dad.

Yes. And I may not know him, but. Me and him got the same watch. Yeah, it's your dad, yo. I can't. Well, it's cool because, you know, she's. It's weird. It's crazy.

I'm sorry. It's just that, you know. Holding that mic. You know, this week. Yeah. They made it official. Yeah, there's a foul mic. There's a foul mic. You know, this week, they made it official. Yeah, this is a foul mic.

This week, man, and you know what? To be politically correct on you guys' big platform, I picked both women during Women's History Month. That's right. Okay, then we got to take a shot. So if I told you,

wait, wait, so one more. Queen Latifah or MC Lyte? From Jersey. Queen Latifah. From Jersey. But let me just say, let me just say, for women's history.

But yeah, both for women's history. But I am from New Jersey. Yes. The Jersey niggas is ready. I left school while I was a dropout. But when I wasn't,

I left school to go over to that flavor unit office a lot, many a days. Damn. This nigga's hip hop. Yo, talking about that, how dope was it to see everybody on

stage? Oh, the De La Soul concert. Oh, listen. Let me tell you something. You know what I'm saying? But the streaming is out, but to see Queen Latifah and the whole native tongue. Hold on. EFN, let me tell you something. That was great. Let me tell you something. For years in hip-hop, I've always wanted to be invited

to certain things. Then I made it to a level where I didn't want to be invited. I just didn't want to say. This was one event that you and I wanted to be. Yo, I called Busta and I was like, fuck you. And Busta was like, what? And I was just like, yo, bro, I hate that you was there. That was a historic moment.

That's one of the things that people have talked about years later. Queen. Monie Love. Monie Love. Queen. Monie in the middle. Dave Chappelle. The Jungle Brothers.

King. The Jungle Brothers dress. Dress from Black Sheep. Yo. Yo. Oh, my God. All the DJs. D-Nice.

Everybody that was there was wild. I told you I cried earlier. And I've been crying lately. I'm 45 years old. I'm a Virgo And I love my life This is the perfect time For me to share

Some more Nori hate That I have That I've been That I've been harboring We love you Please And I can never get rid of it Because it will always

Unload it right here I will It will always be a fact Good I hate That this nigga was out In the 90s And I was not Yes I hate that this nigga was out in the 90s and I was not. I hate it. It's just like things he did, people he was with, sessions he was a part of, just in the 90s.

I feel like I came in the wrong fucking age or shit. And let me also big you up for putting Queen's Flip on. Queen's Flip is probably one of the most entertaining people on the Internet. A lot of people don't understand his humor or understand it, but I do. And, you know, I want to also big up Nicki Minaj real quick because they, him, Queen's Flip, you and me are all from an era where they keep continuing to say the Web and Nitty era. And I'm proud. We all like the...

I'm actually proud to be a part of that. So, Nicky, Queensflip, Joe, Nori, we're all affiliated with Web and Nitty. And, you know, wherever they at, I see Nicky Bernard's posted picture. I don't know if it's An old picture Or if it's a new picture And I seen

Queens flip Repost it So I don't know Like I said I don't know if it's An old picture Or a new picture But you know

Web and Nitty Was legends In Queens And outside And outside of Queens I said was legends And outside of Queens And I should not

Have said that They are legends In Queens Legends all over the world From Atlanta Or wherever If you know Reverend Nitty You know they're good people

And I would like to big them up Yeah I would like to Yeah, right Yeah But that's something that you've Been able to accomplish That I haven't

You've been able to get Nicki Lloyd And Cardi, right? Oh, the queens. Yeah. Yeah. I did Cardi early. I hate on you, too. I did Cardi early. All right. Let me tell you your face. I don't know that I'll get her again. Who? Cardi?

Yeah, I don't know if I'll get her again. I'm not going to lie to females. I love her. Females are, they're tough. I'm not going to lie. I love are tough. I'm not going to lie. I love them. I love... Nicki's man, I damn near probably grew up with him. He's a good dude.

I fucks with him heavy. But I don't want to lean on that relationship to get Nicki. I don't think I should. I think that I'm more prideful of that, but I love them. I went and hung out with them. It was so dope. And me and Cardi recently spoke.

But it's like the females are a little bit like, I could speak to Jay-Z like this. I could speak to Nas like this. I could speak to Puff like this. I can't speak to Cardi like that. I can't speak to Nikki like that. And know can't speak to Cardi like that. I can't speak to Nicki like that. And know that sucks

for you and I and us. Right? It is also great and part of the beautiful thing about where broadcasting is today. That let the girls go sit with whoever

they're comfortable with. That's real. Like, if Cardi want to sit with Jason Lee, if that's going to get us the best interview and the best answers as a fan, then awesome. sit with Jason Lee If that's going to get us the best interview And the best answers As a fan

Then awesome Big up Jason Lee I know y'all don't fuck around right I don't have no beef with him either Today I want to use your big platform This nigga got beef with nobody I love this I want it right here

Yes please Right here On your massive platform I love this. I want it right here. Yes, please. Right here. Please. On your massive platform. I want everybody out there to know I have a beef with no one, even if we've previously beefed. Like Jason Lee and I have had words in the past.

Charlamagne and I have had words in the past. There's some people's names that y'all brought up. I've had words with in the past. There's some people's names that y'all brought up. I've had words within the past. I don't have beef with a soul today. And I'm against multimillionaires beefing today. I am. Like, there's more to do. There's more to do.

I wasn't like that when I was outside of the club. But now that I'm here, I got better shit to do than beef with you niggas over nothing. So, yeah, there's no beef with nobody, yo. Salute. Let's all of us out there learn how to coexist. The people that's going to be here for a while, like, say what you want about Vlad.

He's been here for a while, and he's going to be here for a while. He's not going anywhere. You niggas need to learn how to coexist with people and take advantage of this small window we have to create generational wealth. It's never been here before. We don't know how long

it'll be open. Make a change. Yeah, we don't know how long it'll be here. AI will do it. We'll take it over. Now you're talking. Now you're talking.

Yeah, y'all probably got about three more years of this before AI ends all of you out there. Yes. Yeah. And shout out to, I don't know if it's,

I'm assuming it's a different series you're doing, the interviews. Humans, yeah. Dope. Very different. Super dope. Shout out to Ian. There's a show I'm assuming it's a different series You're doing the interviews Humans yeah Dope Very different Shout out to Ian There's a show I'm doing Called Humans

Where I sit down And talk to some people With interesting stories Like you was interviewing A maintenance man Or some shit I would like to I would like to

If the maintenance man Has an interesting story I want to talk to him I want to talk to people Outside of Out of music Like just Like you was crying on that joint

with the whole 9-11 story. Yeah, yeah. That took a lot, that was a lot, that takes a lot on your soul. It's taxing. Wait, with the 9-11?

I spoke to a gentleman named Pasquale. I don't want to say his last name incorrectly, but he, they call him the 9-11 surfer. Surfer, right.

He survived falling 22 stories When the North Tower collapsed That shit is tough That shit is tough to do To go talk to him Talk to his wife This is crazy, hold on Cry all day

What's crazy? You back in your phone during the interview No, no, this is crazy I hope the segue makes sense Two days ago From 9-11 to Yeah, yeah, yeah A lot of Look, look. My wife just sent me this. I hope the segue makes sense. Yeah, yeah, got it. Two days ago. From 9-11 to... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A lot of pressure. Look, look, look. You put pressure on yourself, buddy. Look, look, look. My wife just sent me this two days ago. Hold on. Let me find it. I wonder how my show would look

if I recorded in Miami. All right. Y'all got a different energy out here. Hold on. I got it right here. All right, so look. This check says Seven World Trades. Show me some money. Oh, okay. He made it connect. He made it connect. All right, so look. This check says Seven World Trades. Show me some money.

Oh, okay. He made it connect. He made it connect. Seven World. My accountant. That's not getting money. No, it's only $7. But my accountant, so they couldn't find me.

So my last known address was Seven World Trades. Because the accountant was there. Because my accountant was there. Did they lose all your paper or something? It was $7, sir. Oh, I still won my seven.

One piece of paper? Yeah, I won my seven. $7. $7.35. Wait, but that can't be your account.

There's only one receipt. No, no, that's what I'm saying. They couldn't find me, so they finally found me and they did it,

but the original address was Seven World Trade Center. And I remember They couldn't find me So they finally found me And they They did it But the original address Was 7 World Trade Center And I remember I remember Us filming Grimy video On 9-10

And I did You know I did I did My BET Rap City Appearance Was on 9-10 And you bigged me up Yeah I did

And you bigged me up You didn't tell me You was getting married But you bigged me up On BET What the fuck I don't know Where those correlate But I You bigged me up. Yeah, I did. You bigged me up. You didn't tell me you was getting married, but you bigged me up on BET. What the fuck? I don't know where those correlate,

but I... Keep looking at your ring because you're the only nigga that's wearing a ring. You're engaged. We're talking about way more important shit right now. You're engaged because men don't wear rings

until they're married. You're wearing it now. Cool. You are engaged. Thanks. You're wearing it now Cool You are engaged Thanks Awesome I killed that Yo Joe man I'm not gonna lie Joe

I'm really proud of you bro Thank you man And I feel that from you I believe that You know why Cause you're a great person You really are And

The thing about Us Is people who's been seasoned. They want us to go. They don't want us wearing pink shirts like you're wearing right now. They don't want us wearing Cartier shades. They don't want us wearing Pateks. They don't want this. They want us to go and leave.

But I know God did. God did. But God did. God did. But God did. God did. And they better get used to it. They got to get used to it.

We're not going nowhere. Yes, we ain't going. I'm not going nowhere. But I, because, you know, I speak about this about you when you're not around. And I want to say it to your face. What you did is remarkable. You stayed in your lane. You did exactly what you're supposed to do.

And you said, fuck everybody. That's my favorite part of it. That's my favorite part. And that, that is remarkable. That is impeccable. It's everything that I want to say, man.

Because I know how, I know how they want to kick us out. When we got our time, after you get your time, they be like, get the fuck out. No, no, they hate that I'm still here. I can

sense it when I wake up in the morning. They hate that I'm still here. And you're still here. You're still doing it. And like I said. They waiting for me to self-sabotage. I'm not going to do it. But like I said earlier, you didn't change. You got to where you got being you. And I can't change. You got to where you got

being you. And I can't change this nigga for shit. No Beijing, nothing. You wanted to put Beijing in his shit? Yes. Why?

Try to get him a watch. He said no. Try to get him a chain. He said no. I like that, though. Because for what? This nigga checks it serious. We are who we are before we get here.

Absolutely. Just think of them co-signs, you. Yeah, we don't need none of that shit. I ain't trying to change you. You know what? And it's not easy. And it's not easy. You know what?

But it works. But Joe, Joe, Joe, I really want to give you your flowers to your face for real. Thank you. What you do is not easy. It's remarkable. I love how you changing it up. I love even putting Melissa Ford and Queens Flip in there,

and then having your other boys, and not dissing the past. It's remarkable what you're doing. And I want to pick it up. Yeah, let's pick it up, man. I just want to pick it up, man. Let's pick it up. Let's pick it up.

So who is the new, for people that never watched the Joe Button show, what is the new people that's on the Joe Button show? It's still me myself uh parks long-standing parks uh then we have ice longtime friend of mine ish longtime friend of mine flip who you mentioned earlier and melissa ford who is melissa ford. Fun times. Good crew, good squad. What made you add,

because that's something that me and EFN kind of think. What made you add a female? I've always wanted a female. You always wanted a female. I've always wanted a female. We love Super Cindy. Super Cindy's great.

From before I had a podcast. You wanted a female. I wanted a female. When I started, I started with a female. Shout out to Marissa Mendez. Okay. Kay Fox, too. I love Kay female. When I started, I started with a female. Shout out to Marissa Mendez. Okay. K-Fox, too.

I love K-Fox. Wherever you at, K-Fox. When she left, before my old crew got set, I was looking for a female. I've always been looking for a female. Right. So, yeah, you just can't have a room full of, see how we got this room right here? Yeah, that's why Jamie is here holding it down. Look at all these fucking penises.

Yeah. Jesus, I don't look in the room and see penises. Yeah, like, I don't believe that. How you can see that? There should just be ten penises of that woman around us. Hold up, that's what married men do. We're going to say some dickhead shit. We're going to say something we shouldn't say, feel something we shouldn't say. You need a girl to say, hey, it's because me and EFN sure married individuals.

You need a girl to say, hey, you sure you wantFN sure married individuals. You need a girl to say, hey, you sure you want to roll with that one? But you know what it is. Because Militant and Crazy Raw Radio, I mean, that wasn't really that much different,

but we tried. We tried. No, y'all was cocking back then. We're like, yeah. It was like Booby Trap. It was like Booby Trap. Charles is here. I can't lie.

Charles is, you know, he's cocking everything. Damn, I went too far? No, we good So Joe, man, thank you so much Thank you, thank you all for having me I really appreciate you, I really understand Who you are, I know who Your purpose is

And I respect it I salute it I salute it I commend it Because There's literally No one else In your space You literally created

A space for you And it's open So everyone else Can come And You know After that But this space

That you created Is really, really, really monumental. Thank you. I really enjoy it. You know what I mean? I remember people trying to put us against each other so much, and this is when you had Warrior Mall. But they didn't understand our history. They didn't understand because Joe was kind of like from Queens.

Queens and Jersey. Yeah. I rep Harlem too. And Harlem. God damn it. Let's make some noise for Harlem. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm going to take this shot and I'm going to say, Joe, man, I want you to understand that you are... Y'all please. I'm sorry. You are appreciated.

Let me take a shot with y'all. Thank you. You are recognized. You did something that was so crazy in this podcast game. It's legendary. And you continue to do it. And I went and I seen your setup. And I was just like, oh my God.

He came back inspired. I came back inspired. No, I didn't. That's hilarious to me. No, I really did. I really did. Am I lying to like, oh, my God. He came back inspired. I came back inspired. No, I didn't. That's hilarious to me. No, I really did. I really did. Am I lying to you, friend? I said, we need chalkboards.

It was a little annoying. We need chalkboards. It was a little annoying. I'm like, we do what we do already, bro. This is how foul our friends is. We still don't got a fucking chalkboard, but I tried to bite your shit immediately. But listen, guess what? You get more mad when you get the chalkboards and the niggas don't read them at all.

They don't read them at all. They're mad shit on the boards. Oh, anyway. But Joe, man, nah, I'm being honest, bro. And listen, same to you. Continue to... No, no, no. It's your day. No, no, no. It's your day. Continue to renovate the space. Innovate the space.

Continue to inspire. Yes. And we're having fun. We're playing Creed. But let me recognize your Patek. Your Patek. That is a nice Patek. Thank you. It's a leather band. God is good. When I speak about me,

I'm only speaking about the work that can be done through the grace of the Lord. So that's all it is. That's like $140,000 right there, right? Why are you putting that money on his wrist right now? He's getting a lot of money. Follow me out of here. That's all it is. It's like $140,000 right there, right? Why are you putting that money on his wrist right now? He's getting a lot of money.

Follow me out of here. We got you. We got you. And by the way, we wanted to make sure Joe was good. Anything. We got you, Joe. No, for real.

No, for real. You know why? Because I'm an artist Joe. No, for real. No, for real. You know why? Because I'm an artist artist. Meaning we like to take care of artists that's artists. And the thing about it is when Patti LaBelle

came here, we had my boy Go-Go. Where Go-Go at? That was another one. We had my boy Go-Go pull her up in a rose voice. And that's what we want to continue to do is because we're not just saying this on camera. We're doing it off camera as well. And you're one of them legends that we want to take care.

Thank you. And we will. I'm sure you would treat Keith Murray the same way. Oh, Keith Murray. Yeah. Keith Murray. Come on, sir. I'm sure you would treat Keith Murray the same way. Oh, Keith Murray, yeah. Tell Keith Murray, come on, sir. Nigga.

I just laughed. I just laughed. No, no, no. I'm not playing. I'm getting in trouble with Keith Murray. No, no, no. I'm joking. I'm joking. No, no, no.

Are you going to let Keith Murray on your show? No. While you guys have beefers on? No. Oh. It's just he's not meant to be there. See, I don't put a mic in front of anybody. I mean, you could put the mic.

You don't have to air it. You don't have to air it. You can still try it. That means I would have to be around it. I don't want to be around it. I want one of y'all to do it so I can hear it. I would like to have Keith Murray on, real talk. I hope you do.

But not on some fucked up shit, like no train wreck shit. We've never done fucked up shit, sir. I think Keith Murray will be fine. Yes. Are the drinks going to be Keith Murray will be fine. Yes. Are the drinks going to be here? I'm asking. Yeah. Oh.

Let me know when it comes out. And shout out to Keith Murray. Don't make it seem like it is. No, no. It's nothing. But you wouldn't have him on your show? On my show? No, because I don't want to be associated with the things he may have to say.

Like, I saw that last run. Oh, I see what you're saying. I saw the last run he did. You can't come on my show and say those things about people that I know, people I care about, people I love. Okay, so solely it's because of what he's saying he can't come on the show? What I've seen. Okay.

Like, I don't care about none of that shit. I'm talking about just the history. Well, history, that's different. But when people hit me about Like conversations and interviews I normally go to The ones that they've already had Right Okay

And Like Irv Gotti Irv Gotti came on the show I didn't necessarily agree with nothing You have actually You have a line You do that a lot You do that a lot

But that might be your thing I can't I can't do it Irv Gotti can't That's my man And that's my man Don't make that our thing at all. But you down with him.

No, he made it my thing. But you connected him. So if he does that and you sitting here, then it's your thing. That's what I'm saying. No, that's why he said you, but I'm here. Yeah. Our thing. Like Irv is my man.

That's why I said don't make it our thing. Our thing. Irv couldn't have came on my couch to say what he had. That message. I would have asked. I would have say what he had. That message. I would have asked. I would have asked. I would have chopped it.

You would have chopped it? I mean. Took it out. Fuck. We should have took that out. I'm sorry. Everybody running shit the way they run it. I'm not saying you should have.

Like, some of the biggest moments from podcast be moments that niggas maybe should have taken down. But those be the heat. That be the heat. Hey, you came here, I got you comfortable enough to say some shit that you wouldn't normally say. That's a talent on my part. Right.

So don't call me afterward with, hey, chop it, chop it, chop it. No, nigga, learn how to do interview. No, Irv Gotti has not spoke to me since. I don't blame him.

I don't blame him one bit. I've been calling him too. I'm like, I want to pour four. I should call him from here. Yo, even that moment that you did. Who was that? Was somebody called Future?

Oh, yeah. Yo, you are a legend, yo. Thanks for doing it. Yeah, I saw that the other day. Wait, what? When you had motherfucking, what's my man? Is that Jack with the eye? And you had him called Future?

Hey, I got Future. No, 2 Chainz. 2 Chainz. 2 Chainz at home. Jack few chains. No, two chains. Two chains. Two chains at home. Jack Thriller. And Jack Thriller, yo, you are, you've been at this

for a long time, yo. So, shout out to you. Joe, we friends, Joe. No, no, no, yeah, no, that was great. You're throwing me under the bus right now.

No, why? No, I'm just saying. Shit, Herb. Yeah, no, Herb. Yeah, no, I'm Herb. No, we asked, we asked Lanell what she thought

about the Herb interview and she said, I won. Yeah, nah, but I'm Irv. We asked Lanell what she thought about the Irv interview, and she said, I won't go there. I won't go there. I won't go there. Lanell's the comedian, right? Yeah. She said she wanted to fuck me. She said she wanted to fuck you?

You want me to hook that up? She said that to Jason Lee. Yeah. I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it. She said, I used to want to fuck him, but he's mean. But he's you. But he's you. But he's mean.

Mean. He's mean. Yo, you do come off as mean. A lot of people think you mean. Are you mean? No, I'm not mean,

but I do want people to continue to think that. Right. I don't want to talk to anybody. Right. And you're walking around with no security. I mean,

you don't got to put that out there for the world to know. No, listen, all this shit, I thought he was going to... Yo, if you get set up, I don't got to put that out there for the world to know. No, listen. All this shit. Yo, if you get set up, I don't know. You're probably going to die. No, no.

I'm protected by a higher power. That's who I'm protected by. Let's make some noise for the higher power. And it works for me. It works for me. Yo, Joe, one more time. Let me tell you face-to-face, man to man. We love you.

We respect you. Thank you. We honor. We respect your morals. We respect your integrity. We respect you staying in your zone. We respect you repping Jersey. Respect you repping Queens.

Respect you even Harlem. Harlem. All of them. We respect all that, and we want to give you your flowers to your face. I'm taking my flowers home. Let's go. Let's go. Taking them home. Got it. Taking them home. Let's go. Taking them home.

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