Drink Champs - Episode 367 w/ De La Soul

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the legendary group, De La Soul!Joined by members Posdnuos & Maseo the guys share stories of their journey and more. De La shares stories of their legal battle with Tommy Boy Records, stories of Afrika Bambaataa and memories with group member Trugoy the Dove 🕊️ 🙏Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise for De La Soul!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆#ThankYouDave 🕊️ *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I always forget to say that. Make some noise! And when I tell you these brothers here are icons, are beyond legends, you know, part of my, mostly my childhood consists of their music. They have stayed timeless, have stayed relevant, have had one of the most beautiful stories in hip hop. The fact that they got their stuff back. The fact that, you know, they stayed up every day. I've never seen them cry.

I've never seen them.. I've never seen them. They real legends, legends. They real men of men. I'm proud to call them my friend. I'm proud to call them exactly who they are. Impeccable individuals. These are great men. And we all should give them their flowers.

Not just drink champs. Everybody should all should give them their flowers, not just drink champs. Everybody should get to give them their flowers. These are part of one of the greatest groups of all time. And I say that without stuttering. In case you don't know who the fuck we talking about, it's a mom one only, Dayla motherfuckin' Trou. Man, y'all are legends, man. That intro was crazy.

Yes, y'all. Are you starting already? I like that. Are you starting already? Paz didn't waste no time. He didn't waste no time. How did he drink it before? You said drink chance. So guys, man, last time you guys was here, we were speaking about the resurrection of getting back you guys' material.

How did that play out? It played out pretty successfully. Wow. What ended up happening, Tom Silverman ended up selling the entire Tommy Boy catalog to a company called Reservoir Media. Faith Numenous. Faith Numenous. Which our friend, sister, person who's been our partner in hip hop and looked out for all of us.

Wow, yes, big up Faith. Yeah, big up Faith. Yeah, big up Faith. And made the, her and her partners made the deal right. Okay, so I mean, I don't want you to reveal anything that you guys can't reveal, And made the, her and her partners made the deal right. Okay. So, I mean, I don't want you to reveal anything that you guys can't reveal. But for people who's sitting in your situation right now, what can you say about, like, how did y'all go about this? What was this?

A sit down, y'all had some coffee. And because one thing about y'all, let me just tell you something. And I know what every rapper gets hated on, right? But one thing about y'all, I don't see no one hating on y'all. I'm not saying y'all got haters. I know y'all got haters, but I don't see it. So it's like, to me, everybody wants to see y'all win. So how did y'all go about getting back to Rice?

If I could jump in, after we did, Drink Champs. Wow. That helped start a momentum as well of having these discussions with the owners of Tommy Boy at the time. Every now and then, they would come Tommy Boy at the time. Every now and then, they would come to the table with something. It was a little better. Right. But still needed some work.

Right. Without question, I'll make sure the whole world know, this man right here was not backing down. He was not with. He was hitting me after we did the episode. Like, yo, let's keep putting the pressure. I remember he was hitting me after we did the episode, like, yo, let's keep putting the pressure. I remember he was hitting me. Yeah. So, you know, I'm just being, if I can give you that bit of, like, inside stuff, there was moments where, like, yo, I could be like, yo, this is good.

God bless the dead. They could be like, yo, this is, I think we can kind of work with this. Mase was like, nah. Can't work with this. And I love y'all and y'all my brothers But Yo man We shouldn't settle Right You know what I'm saying

There should be no Level of settling Right And we kept pushing And it would be times Where They go dark We chilling

We doing what we do They come back around Hey yo We've made it like this And Mace was like Nah Right You know what I'm saying It's a unique situation Hey, yo, we've made it like this. And Mase was like, nah. You know what I'm saying?

It's a unique situation knowing that it never happened to no other group or artist like this. Wow. Where the label would fold and the groups or artists keep going. A lot of times when the label fold, the artists and group fold as well. Right. You know, trying to figure out situations. We have been able to really sustain. Yes.

We had been able to carry on as far as putting out music, Kickstarter, especially with the Kickstarter. I'm so proud of that because that got nominated for a Grammy at that. Wow. And Tommy Boy trying to make their comeback, their comeback was based on us still being a part of that. Wow. And Tommy Boy trying to make their comeback, their comeback was based on us still being a part of it. Wow.

So those are things I understood. And here it is, it's like, yeah, we humble guys, but I know my value. Yeah. I know I've been playing this game since high school. Yep. You know, and it's been on-the-job training. You're a veteran.

And behind it all, it's like, this was the moment in time I had to really take on my leadership in the crew. I mean, everybody has their warranted leadership at moments and times, and it just comes at divine moments when God is calling. Right. And it was in my spirit like that, like, nah, we can't do this. And there was times I was almost buckled. Right. Almost buckled a few times, you times. And I got to be honest, I got a good woman on my team.

My wife. With the help of her counsel as well. It helped my decision. It helped our decision. Because for a long time, the music wasn't even available, right? Not at all. Over 20 years. It wasn't available.

For over 20 years, we out there performing music that people can't even get. And then now we also hit the stage rocking with the Gorillaz for over 10 years. It wasn't available. For 20 years, we out there performing music that people can't even get. Yeah. And then now we also hit the stage rocking with the Gorillaz for over 10 years and in front of

a mega new audience and they can't even get it. Right. You know? So the only thing they could get was like physical releases that were already...

Or tape the EFN. Yeah. Like, you know, they find and like, you know, there you go. Like, whatever little thrift store,

vinyl store, and... Big spots in Japan. Yeah, we ain't necessarily benefiting from it, but it's keeping the name. Even the time we even released it for nothing. We released it for free, like, 2010.

Yeah. Around the 30th anniversary, we connected with some website that was in Russia somewhere and took it from them and gave it to the audience for free because it just wasn't available, you know? Wow. So just being a true artist, you know,

wanting the people to just have your music, that was what it was about in that moment in time. Like, you know, when Warner Brothers had it, it was like so many infractions around it, which the samples was the biggest issue. They didn't think it was worth putting it out. So under the Warner Brothers system, it was all stuck. But yeah, when he made the sale to Reservoir,

you know, magic happened. You know, they made it work. you know magic happened you know they made it work they made it they made it comfortable for us to really get back to work

because I I can remember like hearing when y'all got y'all rights back how hip hop just supported y'all and I believe

it's a rumor like every one of y'all albums went sold a million or something like that like I think it went straight to number one it's like yeah yeah yeah it has i mean like there's points where there's lists like a catalog list um And it can be like Fleetwood Mac number one,

De La Soul number two, Thriller number three. Like, 3Pi and Rhyze. Like, it's been like we're charting like we've never charted before. Like, releases are now being, these re-releases are just charting really high. And this is a blessing. You know what I'm saying?

Because hip-hop really, really loves you guys. Yeah, man. We really, we, we, the people really love you guys. Yeah, man. We really, we, the people really love you guys. Yeah, man. That's real, man. That's real. Y'all deserve it. Y'all deserve it.

We're going to get into it. What's that shirt say? What is that? Oh, it's, you know, we did the Pharrell joint last week. Oh, last week. Something in the water. I didn't want to get my sneakers messed up this year. Every time I go to that goddamn concert, my sneakers don't come back the same.

I would kid you not. There was something in the water, something in the dirt, something in the goddamn beach. That shit. Big up for Ralph, man. Big up for Ralph. Big up for Junior Beach.

Hold up real quick. With the re-release, just for anybody that's wondering and trying to understand the technicality of the business side, all those issues with the samples from before, how does that get resolved when it gets re-released?

Great question. Well, we spent, once we got everything in order with Reservoir, we spent pretty much almost a year just... A year and a half. Yeah, taking care of whatever needed to be taken care of. Because now you own 100%? Yeah.

So you now have to administer and make sure everything is taken care of. Wow. So it was... But administer and make sure everything is taken care of. Wow. But even the beauty in that was coming across these different publishers and artists. They were really helpful, man. They really wanted to see you guys get it done. We had a lot of support from even the people who owned the copyrights and the samples, it was, like I say, it was a real unique situation based off what we exposed to the world

by fighting for our rights. Right, right. You know? That's dope. Yeah. No, honestly, y'all helped. That's right. Jay helped.

Yes. Questlove and Black Thought. Yeah. When you say Jay, you talking about Jay-Z? Jay-Z. Wow. He decided to not, he called up, he had Elliot Wilson called up and was like,

yo, what y'all want to do? Y'all want to stream it? Not stream it. He was like. Not stream it, right? Don't stream it. And he decided to not stream it. Yeah, I remember that.

I don't forget that. And that set the tone for Spotify not to do it, Apple not to do it. Wow. Because Tidal didn't do it. The whole movement was great. And you know how the muscles behind the scene can choke you out. You know what I'm saying?

Now they helped us out. Yeah, that's very dope that you just said that. Because I totally forgot that. I did go over my head. But I just remember that's my first time of me being proud of hip hop. We usually have discrepancies against each other, but that was the first time I seen hip hop come all together and was like, nah, they doing their lot wrong.

And everyone, what is it? I may have been in a room with J-Bop three times in my whole career. Right. You know what I'm saying? And for that to be, I know we all mean something To each other Whether we rival or not

We're a fraternity You know what I'm saying We are You know It's definitely I'm sorry to cut you But it's definitely a blessing Even to fast forward up to like

This previous Grammy award Right And the 50th celebration And like Running to different people there You know Seeing Rick Ross Clapping five

And I'm about to let go and he grabs me and he's like, yo, man, I'm proud that y'all got y'all music back and we waiting. Like, it was just great to see people just really coming together to see what, you know, needed to be done. And the fact that we got everything back and they were just as proud, you know, like you said,

like a fraternity All proud together The culture It showed a real community In hip hop Like it is a community I forgot there was a community Like I forgot Because we were always

At each other And that was the first time Like you know Seeing people Fighting with you guys I felt like we was Fighting with you guys You know what I'm saying

Like you know You know like how They see people Marching And it's like I felt like I was Outside marching with y'all Because Like, you know, like how they see people marching. And it's like, I feel like I was outside marching with y'all because. And I got the same story. That's what's crazy about it. It's like, I got the same fucking fight.

The same exact fight. So it's like, this is something that like, I'm proud of hip hop. I'm proud of hip hop for making this happen. I'm proud of you guys for sticking to your guns. I'm proud of it because now I know to stick to my guns. You know what I'm saying? Because there's been times I wanted to give up. Like, you know what I mean?

I think about it, you know, after 30 years, they're supposed to give you back your rights anyway. My shit is 25. So I'm like five years away. But I would love to make this deal. But it's crazy. To me, seeing y'all gives me hope because when you think about it, this is our music. Why shouldn't we own it? Like, why shouldn't we own it? At least be partners in it based on the criteria of what we trying to look for in certain deals.

You know, some people aren't able to fund themselves, you know. So you're all looking for some type of funding, and you may have to give something up to gain something. You know, but as time goes along, I always looked at it like a job. When you first come in for a job, you don't expect to be manager the first day. But if you do tremendously at the job, you do well,

you look to get a raise at some point, you know? A lot of us haven't gotten that. You you know a lot of us haven't gotten that you know a lot of us haven't got that raise or them benefits and even for the deals that the labels still cut you know they need to offer more benefits right medical benefits something like that yeah i mean something such as that because it's work for hire no different than any other employment you know i'm saying so what's up drink champs army ready for a staggering statistic nearly 77% of fathers settle for their ladies uncomfortable baby bag when they're outside with their kids

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Because we didn't know what perpetuity, we didn't know what digital rights was. I kept asking, what does that word mean? No one wanted to tell me. So I looked it up. And I was like, hell to the no, no, no. That kept asking, what does that word mean? No one wanted to tell me. So I looked it up and I was like, hell to the no, no, no. That's crazy, bro. What?

Yo, that shit is crazy. Because I thought about it when, even when I thought about it and I never had, signed over digital rights. I never signed over digital because there was nothing

called digital back then. Yeah. I never signed over ringtones. There was nothing called ringtones. Nah, we was out before NASA came out. That's what I'm saying. But they covering it with that. Yeah.

And for everybody listening right now, they covering it with AI too. So understand what you're signing with this perpetuity in the entire universe. Yeah. It's wild. Yes, it's not.

It is wild. Especially for the artists who are being able to capitalize off this technical world of the internet and being able to. I mean, if we had that back then, we'd probably be able to cut better deals. 100%. The internet has gave these artists bargaining power. You out there building your own energy up, and then they come in and scoop off your energy and maybe add the machine

to take it elsewhere. Yeah, that's fine, but you done made a million plus off of doing your own independent thing. That deal structure should be a little bit more

in your favor. It's great to see a lot of young kids very familiar with the data. They can show them, like, look, it's undeniable. I can see right here what I'm doing in this country. They understand their analytics. kids very familiar with the data you know they can show them like look it's undeniable right i can see right here what i'm doing in this country they understand their analytics yeah they understand

their analytics they're working hard with ai off algorithms and all of that we had to go visit a dj yo listen yo listen i remember physically if i didn't go to london the record wouldn't go to london like i physically had to go to l Like I physically Had to go to London I had to go To my motor Every No not London Every city You had to do in stores

That's how we met You did an in store Yes That's crazy Nowadays you can press one button That shit be everywhere Like I remember literally N.O.R.E. came out

It hit number one And And Every town that I had to go I had to go to every single town They had to look at the What was What's algorithms back then And they had to say to, I had to go to every single town. They had to look at what was algorithms back then

and they had to say, okay, you're not doing good in Philly so then go to Philly. Like physically do that as of right now. You could just,

you could stream. You don't even have to leave your house. The pandemic had me pissed off. I'm saying, these niggas is dropping albums

and staying in their house. They was like this. I'm like, what the fuck? God damn work, motherfucker. We were doing dropping albums and staying in their house. Yeah. They was like this. I'm like, what the fuck? God damn work, motherfucker. We were doing the same thing with quarantine champs. I hated quarantine champs. It was a blessing for us.

I hated it. In every moment of quarantine, I hated it. We did our Zoom episodes. There you go. And we kissed our deer attacks. You got to give me a five. I want you to smell my cologne. You know what I'm saying?

I want you to feel me. I want you to smell my bud. You ain't give I'm saying? I want you to feel me. I want you to smell my butt. You ain't give him a blunt yet? Come on. What kind of blunt, bro? Are you making us look crazy? Okay, yeah. Okay, you get it?

Don't drop my mouth. Don't drop it. Amen. I'm a personal guy, man. Brother, I owe you some D-Lock shirts. Come on, God damn. So let me ask you about that. How about during the time of you guys,

did you use in control of your own merch? Because I always see things. Yeah, we've always been in control of our own merch. But you have seen mostly bootleg stuff out there. Really? Yeah. Charles got a bootleg shirt on? No, Charlie's a...

That's a fish. Yeah. Oh, my God. Charles Charles got a bootleg That shit do look live. You were like, shoot the magic. You were like that. Because y'all was like the first night collab, right? Y'all collab with night early on, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The dunk, the daylight dunk.

The daylight dunk. Yeah, no doubt. How was that? How was that? Shit, we happened to be at the Magic. That was ASR. So I'm in San Diego that usually happens.

Like this, uh... Women's culture thing. Yeah, I think it was's ASR. Something in San Diego that usually happens. Women coaching things. Yeah, I think it's called ASR. We was doing something with LRG. Cold line. Yeah, just walking through the arena where they had all the booths set up. Ran into people over there at Nike. This brother, Robbie Jeffers, who was working with them. I think he was working between Stussy and Nike.

We had a show out there, like some street fair they usually do. We had them come through, and then he just happened to just mention it. Like, yo, would you be down to do a dunk? I was just like, of course. And he made the call, and it just fell into place. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Damn, man.

That's legendary. It took like a year from that meeting? Yeah, yeah. No, it was really cool. You got your own fucking saying So yeah Damn man That's legendary It took like a year From that meeting Yeah yeah That was really cool You got your own Fucking Nike Yeah man Come on guys

Stop being so humble Stop being so humble There's not a lot of people Who can say that man It really ain't Shit Nah nah It's dope

Do the flowers man Listen Our show is about Giving people flowers So we need to give you Y'all flowers To y'all face Face to face Man to man Where the flowers, man. Listen, our show is about giving people flowers, so we need to give you y'all flowers to y'all face to face. I'm a fan of the show. Man to man.

Where them flowers at, goddammit? Let's give you them flowers at, goddammit. And Mr. Lee's always late at giving flowers. He's always late. He's always late. Our Dominican friend is always late. Come on. Mr. Lee, por favor, las flores, OK?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, what are you doing? Diablo, me, let's go. Holy, man. You're embarrassing us, Lee. Mr. Lee. We got a bootleg Daylight Show shirt on. It'll be late on the flowers.

Man, all right. Yeah, man. Oh, man. I brought you all a song. It's beautiful. True, boy. Rest in peace, Day. Oh, man.

For you to present it to the family. If we can, you know. We definitely will. Yes, rest in peace, Dave. Yes, yes. Man, for you to present it to the family if you can. If we can, you know. We definitely will. Yes. Beautiful, man. Let's make some noise for Glee Flowers, man. Yeah. Snoop Dogg said it's like getting a Grammy.

Y'all got Quick Time for Slime ready? Yo, that's dope. Okay. Yes, man. This is another milestone. Yeah, man. Yes, man. Let me just tell y'all, man, we are huge fans.

Y'all family to us. And we are so happy for what y'all accomplished and as y'all keep going. We appreciate you. This is better than the Grammy, B. Come on, man. We're using that.

We're taking that clip. Yeah, man. You know, this is hip-hop, man. That's right. Yeah, to the heart, B. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Get into the heartbeat. That's right. That's all. Before we go into Kutown.

Between this and Hip Hop Honors VH1, these two right here. Yeah. I can't wait to look. There you go, man. And you guys had an album on Mass Appeal, correct? With Nas? It was supposed to be. It's still in play.

We just got to get it, you know, we got to get it done. You got to get it done. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And something we hope to get it, you know, we got to get it done. You got to get it done. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And some we hope to get done. I mean, there weren't a lot of rhymes that Dave completed because it was a Pete Rockin' premiere joint.

Wow. Oh, that's right. Yeah, the premium solo on the rock. So we got some stuff done. Not enough, you know, and hopefully we can just pull it all together. So there will be another Daylight album? I mean, without question, there's going to be Daylight stuff. Well, I'm in the process right now working on the trilogy of Artificial Intelligence, the third installment. Are we breaking news right now?

I feel like we're breaking news right now. The third installment is being worked on as we speak. For real. This was going down. It was supposed to be a DJ related record anyway. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting it done. Not that everybody got one and two.

I can get three out there. We definitely staying with work, music coming out, lyrics, De La related stuff. We here. Me and Mase immediately kind of locked in and was just like, yo, man, we got to keep this going.

As difficult as it. Yeah, I hit him with the straight Ray Raymoor analogy from B Street. I was like, yo man, we got to turn this nigga's death into a celebration. Right.

And he really felt that. You know what I'm saying? And that's how we really feel. You know, like. Speaking of that, sorry to cut you off but I want you to get back to what you were saying.

But I've seen that with Dave Chappelle when I felt like y'all counted it down but it was like 12. They didn't count it down before it didn't come like I literally I literally

tears came out my eyes like and I seen how Dave Chappelle was so happy for y'all wow yeah and that's that's the thing about y'all like I said

I said it earlier is I don't see your haters like I only see y'all supporters and to me to me

that's some honorable shit like you know what I'm saying to see everybody from hip hop just come out I only see y'all supporters, and to me, to me, that's some honorable shit. You know what I'm saying? To see everybody from hip hop just come out and celebrate you guys, that's a beautiful thing, man. You guys are really icons. You guys are really legends.

And yo, to speak on that, and I saw you was saying like, yo, that was a joint you wish you was at, and I bugged out because I told me, so I was like,

yo, before Dave's death, dog, yo, you was on my me so I was like yo before Dave's death dog yo you was on my list like I was like yo I'm going to tell your fin I'm going to tell Nori I know y'all here but

because this this party was in play from the jump we were already even talking about drink chance before David Patton yeah so

yo you were on my list to come through but when everything happened with Dave It was kind of like People in play That was like Yo we gonna reach out

To these people It was like kind of cool And so when I was bugging When I saw you I was like yo That was the one part Let me say this though I said

You ain't never Needed no invitation No no no I just didn't know You never needed one Thank you I appreciate that But my dude When I see hip hop Celebrate y'all Like I said No that was beautiful No, no, no. You never needed one. Thank you, thank you. You never needed one. Thank you. I appreciate that.

But my dude, when I see hip hop celebrate, Sean, like I said. That was beautiful. That was so beautiful. You and I had a tumultuous moment at one time. Yes, yes, yes. But in that moment, you need to know I showed up for you. That's right. You was there.

Real talk. Real talk. What's up with that? What's up with that tumultuous moment? The wild shit is that I almost said it last time we was here Yeah but I went up the stairs So that's all we gotta talk about

It's all the shit No he thugged me out No way he thugged you out No he thugged me out It was Scott Ellison It was the Puerto Rican Day Parade Puerto Rican Day Parade I don't remember was the Puerto Rican Day Parade. Puerto Rican Day Parade. I don't remember.

It was something. It was Puerto Rican Day Parade. I never experienced Puerto Rican Day Parade, so I didn't even know what to expect. You know what I'm saying? And Tommy Boy

called me to come DJ for CNN. Yep, okay. You know, and I was also able to have my Upcoming rappers rock I did what I needed to do for them. Yeah, you know, yes Yeah, but we got out there. I spoke to Nori two days before trying to prep for it

He's like nah, what a word don? You have stories. Sounds about right. You have stories. We seeing it, you know what I'm saying? We don't gotta worry about all that, you know what I'm saying? We out here, you know? You got me down. You got me down. You got me down. You got me down.

You don't need any hiding, don't you? Ow. Ow. Ow. I was like, yo, you sure? You know what I mean? Because I'm the one who like to prepare. You know what I'm saying?

So I never experienced Puerto Rican Day Parade. You know what I mean? Because I'm the one who liked to prepare. You know what I'm saying? So I never experienced Puerto Rican Day Parade. You know? And I'm looking at it from when I see it on TV. I see the floats and how it's all rocking and shit. We get out there, and Tommy Boy got us on like a pickup truck. You know what I'm saying? It was all Fugazi to begin with. I was like, oh, shit. I get out there. I was like, oh, shit.

I get out there, I'm like, oh, shit. Already off my experience from doing things. It's 100 degrees outside. It's hot as fuck. So I'm already thinking about equipment fucking up and everything. And immediately, I play a fucking CNN record, and it starts melting. Oh, my God. These niggas is getting mad in the motherfucker.

What are you doing? And I'm trying to explain, like, yo, every time I put the needle on the record, the record is wumping up. Like, I didn't expect none of this to be like this, period. You're making me late, man. We literally on a pickup truck while other floats is flying shit. We got a pickup truck. We got a pickup truck where motherfuckers just holding signs and shit. You know what I'm saying?

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. He's right. Tom Silver was cheap'm repping and i see dudes getting frustrated with me because the music this is my perception of it the music ain't popping right and we riding for a minute and every time and mind you i done had mad copies of they stuff in my crate along with other shit, right? My young dudes, they stuff was on a hard drive. It's the replay.

Yeah, we weren't professional at all. Yeah. It wasn't even about, I guess so. I called you and I didn't know nothing. I didn't know. I like this whole shit funny.

I like rehearsals. You messed up 20 years fucking with me. That's funny. A lot of fun. You should have learned back then. No, but back then, I'm not going to lie to you. I was young. And I just.

He was treating me how them young niggas treat him. Yes, I was a little. He was all that shit. He was on that shit. Yeah. And all we did was our little performance and shit, right? Yeah. Yeah. But it was knocking.

I got to admit. It was knocking. I seen niggas frustrated. His man tried to grab the mic for my man. I done grabbed it back. We go. We touched it back. Broke.

The show was still rocking. They still rhyming and shit. We moving. We moving. And anybody that realizes like daylight and CNN is beefing. I'll be like, I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go to the bathroom. The show is still rocking, it's still vibing and shit. We moving. It's a ride. And anybody that realizes daylight and CNN is beefing.

No, no, no. We professional. We good. We professional. I knew who had a knife. I knew who had the gun. I saw everybody with it. I saw the one who was grabbing the knife, he had the knife.

You know what I'm saying? Yo, this is crazy. This is crazy. Because he was grabbing, the dude that he was grabbing the microphone was super timid, too. You know what I'm saying? Yo, this is crazy. This is crazy. Because he was grabbing, the dude that he was grabbing the microphone was super timid too. So I'm like, nah, you not going to be timid with me. Yeah, like, like.

Nah, nah, that's real shit. And then Norrie came over. Like, I knew he had to be the ambassador, because he had all these niggas with him. And it was like, if he say it's go, it's go. You know what I'm saying? Nah, you my brother. He had all these, yeah, he had all these niggas with him. And it was like, if he say it's go, it's go. You know what I'm saying? Nah, you my brother. He had all these, he had all these niggas with him.

And I did play like, at the time, him and Bumpy wasn't getting along either. I remember that. So I did play an intro, an acapella thing.

Bumpy did a song with me called You Don't Wanna Bust That Shit. And he's on a song, so I played an acapella version of that before we got to our thing. Oh, you right.

Your memory is good. And then he came over. How much weed you smoke? I got elephant memory. He came over, he came over, he came over, he was like, Nick, I don't even like puppy nugs. At the time, I definitely did. We got a puppy nudge.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm looking around. I'm looking around. I got my wife with me. And it's just like five of us and my wife. I definitely did it like that time. I was like, look man, if I did anything

to offend you, I apologize. But I did call you. I had no idea that it was going to be hot I was like, but I did call you. Just prepare for this. And I said, I had no idea that it was going to be hot as fucking catch grease out there. And Ricketts was going to melt. You know what I'm saying? I said, look. And he goes, yeah, all right.

I apologize for not showing up at the rehearsal. You was good. You was good for that moment, honestly. I was hurt for about three hours. But then after that, I was like, he good, man. He good for that. Because I know the shit that I done did. You know what I'm saying?

I was like, I'm getting the shit that I done fucking did. So I was like, all right. Oh, this nigga's definitely terrorized some sound now. Yeah, I've had my fair share. Did y'all listen to new artists? Are y'all into this? Yeah yeah yeah Who Who

Oh man It's really hard to say man It's It's just I like more songs Than I could say albums Yeah Okay

Like I like Lil Uzi Vert I like him a lot I actually got a beat That I think works for him. I don't know why I keep doing it. That's cool. I mess with him.

I mean, I got kids that's in their 20s and 30s, so we talk music all the time. My son raps, you know what I'm saying? Oh, wow. Yeah, and he's pretty good, you know? Wow. And I was a DJ. Mm-hmm. I just, DJ and a producer, I look to stay connected.

I'm always trying to learn. I stay a student to this shit. You got to keep learning. It can go anywhere. It don't matter. Because EFN gave up on this new generation. Nah, man. Hey, man.

That's not true. It's out there. I've never seen EFN play nothing new. But it's out there. You know what I'm saying? You said it could be Uzi. It could be shit. EFN gave up On his generation

I don't think Name one man Denzel Curry from Miami For one Denzel Curry He's older than you You stupid I'm just playing Denzel

I'm just playing Denzel It was a joke Denzel Samba is dope Pivot Who? Samba Okay

Samba LaRussell Russell is dope LaRussell i think that's how you know the russell yeah from the base no little russ it's a lot of kids out here that's doing anything yeah we we coders 50 years old y'all yeah 50 you know i'm saying i remember when we came the generation before us wasn't fucking with us. You know what I'm saying? I think what ended up happening is cats become a force to be reckoned with.

You may not like it, but it's in your conversation. You got to at least figure out what it is that's got these kids rocking to it. You know what I mean? And I learned from George Clinton, anything that makes the parents upset is rocking. It's going these kids Rocking to it You know what I mean And I learned from George Clinton Anything that make The parents upset Is rocking It's going That's what he

He basically said that On the show Yeah He smoked a lot too He stood here And smoked a lot Oh man Yeah

He said the more They hate it on He's more interested in it Yeah he's more interested in it And he drank too I think he was going to drink He drank Mind you

It was Not to cut you But like me and him Was just We did Coachella With Gorillaz He was showing me All the clips He's like yo It was incredible It was like drink. No, but mind you, it was, and not to cut you, but like me and him was just, we did Coachella with Gorillaz. He was showing me all

the clips. He's like, yo, it was incredible. It was like the second weekend we hung out with our sons, you know, with my youngest son, he with two of

his sons. And it was just dope. You know, my son taking me to different stages, like Yo Pierre, these kids, I think they're called Suicide Kings or

something like that. Yeah, Suicide, yeah. So it was just dope to see, because I studied that, the crowd's reaction, think they're called Suicide Kings Or something like that Yeah, suicide, yeah So it was just dope to see Because I studied that The crowd's reaction What they're doing Because we always Students are looking

At how people rock the stage Stage presence Yeah All of that It's a lot, man It means a lot You know, so I'm into all that

And I think Sorry to cut But I think also The way that we Used to discover music Is different So for us In our generation Like we used to discover music is different. So for us in our generation, we want to physically be somewhere.

We saw these MCs coming up in the club at a battle or a DJ played in a club when it was all new. Now, streaming for me is harder to get into newer artists because it's so much. It's so much coming at you. It's definitely a lot. I mean, I agree with you, but i sometimes go down a rabbit hole with it like you know you went to one artist and they'll say yo if you like this artist he's a similar artist and you just kind of just keep going with it sometimes they wrong i know i know where you at with that that's why i ask people to put me on this shit right yeah me too i'd rather get recommended and not ask because it is a rabbit hole you'll go deep down

yeah and you'll get caught up in your own personal feelings of what you like as opposed to balancing it out. At least me for a DJ. I try to balance it out. I try to understand. The infant does not. He's exaggerating right now. He still hasn't named one artist.

You noticed that, right? I did. Denzel Curry? Yeah. That's it. And LaRusso. I don't even know if I'm saying his name right. what's it what's the coast contra off the chain there's a lot of dope i don't believe you at all my brother ask these people i support them all as much as i

can socially on social media but even down with you know anyone alchemist is rocking with and producing. You know, Larry June is dope. Autumn Cats, man. Yeah, there you go. Simba is our last name. That whole movement that Muggs and Alchemist and all of them are messing with? Crazy. That Larry June album right now is crazy.

Joining with him and Dick Sean? That shit is bananas. One dude that's not that people don't talk about enough Join with him and Dick Sean That shit is bananas Random facts You know Yeah I called him the other day He's like I'm with my kids One dude that's not People don't talk about enough Is Toby Nwigwe Yo

Off the chain Yeah So just the level of The music Creativity He can spit Individuality Yeah

Is there You know what I'm saying He got bars He can spit You know We live in that era I could put him in a cypher I could put him in a cypher With some savages And he'll bars. He can spit. You know? We live in that era. I could put him in a cypher with some savages and he'll live. For real.

But you know what's dope about now for artists like that is that they don't need the gatekeepers to find their audience. No, you're right. We're all talking about different artists. Everybody's like, who, what, what? And each of these artists we're mentioning have millions of followers, do their shows, go to group festivals. They don't need us to even know who they are because they found their audience and that's what's dope

about it's really dope and funny enough as we was talking about a little bit earlier yo it was artists like that who championed on behalf of us because like they were saying like yo they deserve this shit like they could talk that shit for us because they felt like yo i don't got nothing no one over us you're like honestly I got no problem saying it was like this one lawyer on their side who was like talking to our lawyer and was like yo man I got I got um clients that don't want to fuck with me because they know that I'm trying to not fuck with daylight right you know I'm saying like trying to like Fuck their shit up

On behalf of Tommy Boy Like that's how much These young artists Had our backs Who we never met That's dope You know what I'm saying That's beautiful man

Brother I have a quick time slide Let's go You want to explain the game You guys get two choices We pick one We don't drink If you pick both or neither

We're drinking All of us are drinking Say that again Okay hold on Before I said it too fast this time Yeah yeah You get two choices

You get two choices Name person place a thing Name what Name person place Like a person place a thing Before we do that You get two choices Hold on let me explain

Okay Two choices If you pick one The non-politically correct answer You pick one of the two Nobody drinks If you say both Or neither Which non-politically correct answer, you pick one of the two, nobody drinks. If you say both or neither,

which would be the politically correct answer, if you don't want to hurt feelings, or you really mean both, you know, or neither, then we drinking. Alright, I can get busy. Before we say that, a birthday that just passed. Happy birthday to our brother, Hass. How's it sound?

Is that too much for your face? You don't give him his flowers, too. You don't give him his flowers, my dear. Oh, bro. He born. The second guy. And we got you kicking ice cream, too. Sorry. You said it? Yeah, I said it. Yeah, I got it. You ready?

I ain't get it though. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. You can start. Okay. I'm going to go to the second one. You go to the first one. You saw this niggas face? Yeah, yeah, because I want to get it. I want to get it.

Got it. I got it. I got it. Holy shit. Tribe, Corquest, or Jungle Brothers? Tribe. Damn, y'all answered that way too fast. Let me get my shot ready.

Okay. Okay. You go to the first one. Black Daughter, Styles P. Wow. Mmm. I'm about to drink. Take a drink. Take a drink. Take a drink. That's pretty good.

Oh, that's your shot right there. Right there. Oh, God. Salute. That's that Japanese? That's right. That's that Japanese. Pouring light. We pouring light. We pouring light. Pouring light. We pouring light. God damn. I can't. Indie or major? Porn light. Porn light. God damn, I can't.

Indie or major? This is a big debate here. It's a big debate here. Me and him always disagree. See, I don't have the experience of both. You know? Nigga, don't give a big What is it? It was hard to say

I can see Indies doing business with majors You know Which is what I say too That's kind of my shit No that's my shit That's my shit I say be independent So you can take advantage of the major

I don't know man Yo man that's how it's been since the beginning Tom Silverman did it like that Yeah Like that Like you know Raucous everybody Raucous did it like that

You know It's been like that Since the beginning of time Right So I don't see that Ever being an issue It's just all about

How the deals are structured Yeah Period So what is that That sounds like a shot to me Yeah that's a shot So that's both. That's both.

Where? We're missing a shot over here. See ya. Ain't got nothing. See ya. Salud. Cheers, fellas. Salud.

Thank you. Thank you. Shit. Okay. He didn't start drinking until he was like 40. He didn't start drinking until he was like 40 he started drinking until he was 40 fuck God he was talking

he was trying to say he started with the last drink chance I smoked weed for the first time well I did a I took a hit that was some sucker shit

wait what what kind of peer pressure are you missing what's going on here he's only saying that because I did it without him he did oh he smoked weed for the first time it was like we made a pact without you What kind of peer pressure you missing? He's only saying that because I did it without him. He's mad.

Oh, he smoked a blunt without you? It was like we made a pact. Without you? Yeah. I would be mad. I would be mad, too. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm on your side. I would be mad, too.

I would be mad, too. If EFN smokes a weed with somebody else other than me, I'm— It can slightly get a pass because it was with Chappelle, you know? Okay, all right, yeah, all right, yeah. Yeah. You know, even Chappelle know better. Yeah, Chappelle. Chappelle and Prince gets a pass.

Like, if you smoke with Prince, I won't be mad at you. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. And he snatched it from Chappelle. Yeah, I did, I did. Holy shit. You got aggressive with him.

Yeah, yeah. Nah, it was kind of like after the Webster Hall joint, Chappelle went to do something, some comedy shit. I fucked with him. And then afterwards, he did like this little toast to Dave

and he was just like, you know, we had already did like fucking like 10 shots. You were in the moment for sure. Yeah. And so he was just by himself and I was standing there

and he was just in his own mind. He was like, you're for Dave and he took a puff and I snatched it and I said the same thing. I'm sorry, that was my alarm.

And yeah, so everyone saw me do it And bugged out immediately And it was like Smiles My romance was like Puff more My wife was like there

Like nah don't do it Don't do it So yeah I can't tell nigga Cause I had already did like Eight shots So I don't I really don't know

I'm being honest I don't know Where we at with this Alright Oh yeah You wanna go I got it So I don't I really don't know I'm being honest I don't know I don't know Where we at with this Alright Oh yeah You wanna go I got it

I got this one I got this one Q-tip or Pharrell Q-tip Q-tip Damn They answering mad Alright

Blackstar or Dead Prez Blackstar Blackstar Jesus Tupac or DMX Tupac Tupac or DMS Tupac Tupac They are good

They're good man The fuck Primo or Pete Rock Take a shot I gotta take a shot Stop I ain't trying to get that call nigga Nah

Nah I don't need that He took his shot Bad bad Okay This is a good one You got it or you want me Nah Nah I don't think that He took his shot Bad Bad Okay Ooh this is a good one You got it You want me

Yeah y'all think You should say after Jada Kiss or Nas I gotta take a shot I gotta take a shot Okay Does that go for both of y'all Y'all gotta take a shot

Yeah I'm taking a shot You got someone for that one Fuck Yeah You got some MC brain Going on right there I'm taking a shot. You got someone for that one? You got some MC brain going on right there. I'm a big fan. He's definitely breaking down some lyrics right now. He's breaking some shit down. You're over-digging it.

Let it go. Okay, bars. Okay, bars. Okay, bars. Let it go. Yeah, let it go. Wow. That's a good one.

Beat Street or Crust Groove? Beat Street. Wow That's a good one Beach Street Or Crush Groove Beach Street Man They in cahoots though Like when they When they stay together Like that shit is real

That's a real group That's a real group Yeah Easy E or Nipsey Easy E Yeah Go ahead Big E or Big L

Big Big Rest in peace to both. Big. Big. Notorious. Notorious. Notorious.

Notorious. Notorious. Notorious. Notorious. Notorious. Okay. 80s or 90s hip-hop? 90s.

90s. 90s, nigga. 90s hip-hop. Yeah, I'm going 90s too. 90s hip-hop. Yeah, I'm going 90s too. 90s hip-hop. Red Alert or Kickapree? Kickapree. Oh, I'm surprised.

Hmm. For a DJ, it's tough. Yeah, it's a tough one based on what they both really great at. It doesn't make one not great, but you're going to make me choose Kid Capri. Yeah, I have to choose Capri. Overall,

worldwide, what he's done in the arenas, he's actually, Capri has actually been the first DJ to make the DJ actually look like an artist. Yep.

Big up, Capri. Takes center stage, yep. And was selling out. He was getting paid just as much as the artist, if not more. Yeah. And for the record, these questions are meant to, because we want to talk about all these legends. Yeah. Conversations, not this one or the other.

Without question. First to grab the mic, rock the crowd, maybe next to DJ Hollywood, but the way Capri does it, truly like a artist. DJ Hollywood. Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang.

I don't want to go zapped in the neck with my honey bun. Give me some of that yum, yum, yum before I go to bed. Look at you young niggas out there. Look at you young niggas. Hold on. You whippersnappers over there. You young whiggas. Hold on. You whippersnappers over there.

You young whippersnappers. Yeah, you whippersnappers. You got this. Coogee Rap or Kool Moe D? Coogee Rap. Coogee Rap. Damn. We need Coogee Rap on here.

Yeah, we do. Coogee Rap. Moni Love or Roxanne Shante? Roxanne Shante. Wait, is Shani Love Roxanne? Roxanne Shante. Yeah, Roxanne Shante. Roxanne Shante. Wait, is Shantley not Roxanne? Roxanne Shante. Yeah, Roxanne Shante. Moni, my sister, but...

Roxanne Shante. We was trying to... Moni would probably say Roxanne Shante. We was trying to get Moni to guest host here. She's in London, though. Yeah, yeah, she... Yeah. All right.

All right, yeah. Ask the next one. Rick Ross or Fat Joe? Fat Joe. Fat Joe. Rakim or KarS-One? KRS-One. KRS-One.

Go to the next one. Big Pun or Guru? Big Pun or Guru? Guru, yeah. Pun. Pun. Rest in peace, the boy. I love how they on the stage,

they don't even look at each other. They ain't even looking at each other. I'm watching all the human behavior. They're good, man. M.O.P. or Mobb Deep? Mobb Deep. Wow. Nah.

M.O.P. is... M.O.P. Okay. Okay. Okay. So that means we drinking. I think we got to drink for that. Well, you guys don't have to drink. You guys don't have to drink. We got to drink. We got to drink. We got to drink. Solo M.O.P. Okay. Okay. Okay. So that means we drinking. I think we got to drink. Well, you guys don't have to drink.

You guys don't have to drink. We got to drink. We got to drink. We got to drink. M.O.P. for me. Yeah. I got to drink? No, you don't have to.

L.L. or Big Daddy K? I'll drink. L.L. mentioned me the other day. I saw you went live with him last night was it last night i went live i didn't say you was alive because you definitely wasn't in the live the comments were hilarious oh really, really? You're doing drink chants right now? Yo, I'm big. I woke up in the morning. It was Charlie Mac and LL and you?

I don't remember nothing. No! Oh, my God. I looked. I said, why did he tag me? I was mad because, like, no, we got drink chants tomorrow. Why the fuck are you doing drink chants right now? Oh, my bad.

My bad. We got to balance It was a great day yesterday, man. Oh, yeah. Queen Latifah or MC Lyte? Which is a great

versus, by the way. We need both of them here, please. One. I'm going to have to go with Latifah. Yeah, Queen Latifah. Queen Latifah. Queen Latifah Queen Latifah

Queen Latifah This is my My favorite You didn't have to drink You didn't have to drink That was from the Cane Alo Okay

Okay Yeah Damn Okay This is my favorite This is my favorite one Of all of these questions Wu-Tang

Or N.W.A. Wu-Tang Wu-Tang That's the east coast Jump right out of The east coast Jump right out of you N.W.A. is amazing But Yes Wu-Tang or N.W.A.? Wu-Tang. Wu-Tang. That's the East Coast jump right out of you. The East Coast jump right out of you. N.W.A. is amazing, but Wu-Tang. I would say N.W.A. has been one of the biggest inspirations, especially for us live show.

Yeah, for us. Really? Wow. How so? We toured with them in 89. Wow. What a tour that must have been. It was the Nitro tour.

A Nitro tour. Nitro Tour was incredible LL Cool J Us Slick Rick NWA Kane Public Enemy That went to rehearsal

EPMD That definitely went to rehearsal That definitely went to rehearsal Nah Everybody came with their A-game Wow We was the new Jackson

We was the new ones So what did you get from NWA That you said inspired you Yo they had The most incredible stage show. I mean, their stage presence. It was like watching a Broadway play. They had girls on the...

They had the shit set up like a block. Right. And a street pole with hoes on the corner and shit like that. On stage? Yeah. On stage. Dre DJing on two garbage cans and shit I mean, Yella

Yeah DJing on two garbage cans They got police sirens on the speakers and shit Rises and shit When niggas is jumping off They bring out D.O.C. first Yeah Then, no, first

Not D.O.C. D.O.C. D.O.C. first Then Yella Then Yella go up and DJ Dre and And Ren comes out of these Like manhole shits

Like it was It was amazing Yeah I've never heard of this Then Cube And then Easy would be last Easy was last

They They kinda did For me What I felt like Wu-Tang should've did Like in terms of Breaking it up As opposed to coming out

Always all together Right They really like well Wu started to do not they began to do that aren't y'all on the Wu tour yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

we started the tour a couple of times later yeah cause I remember one show we did with them in like Switzerland somewhere Denmark or something and they all came out

one by one one by one yeah and the way we brought Capadonna out was fucking nuts you know what I'm saying but yeah nah NWA, definitely.

But, let's go. Wu-Tang. Wu-Tang, I got to pick Wu-Tang. I got to say that. I remember I was on a tour with Keith Ferry, and Method Man was hosting this show. So, before I would come on, Method Man would go, and he would hype up the crowd. And I was like, I don't want you to hype up the crowd can you you on Keith Murray's tour bus can you stay on Keith Murray's set and that's it

like I remember being so mad because who the fuck wants to go after a person walking on people's hands he was walking on people's hands I'm like I don't want to do it I don't want to do it. I don't want to do one more after that. After that. It's a lot to live up to. Come on. And I can't fit that. I can't go away. If I walk on people's hands, somebody going to fall. You know what I'm saying? Somebody going to fall.

It's going to be something. Well, I remember that. Big up, Method Man. That's my brother. Big up to Method without question. Okay, so let's finish this up, and then we'll get back to the interview. Video music box or UMTV raps? Video music box.

Video music box. Big up, Ralph McDaniels. All right, Uncle Ralph. Good. Okay. Video music box or UMTV raps? Video music box. Video music box. Big up Ralph McDaniels. All right, Uncle Ralph. Good. Nino Brown or Frank White? Nino Brown or Frank White? Nino Brown. Hmm.

Nino Brown. I love how you had to think about this one. He's sitting there like, hmm. New Jack City was dope. Frank was quiet with his ruthlessness, so I know what you're going for. I know what you're saying. I don't know if New Jack City

was really based on a true story. You know what I mean? It's halfway. You know? Because what is it supposed to be based on, true story. You know what I mean? It's halfway. You know? No, because it was supposed to be based on the Carter. Right? That's what it is. It seems like it's based on a couple of people's stories.

Yes. Right. I gotta go with Frank White. That means we gotta drink. Yeah, that means we gotta drink. Solo. I gotta drink? No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mace, you didn't have to drink that. No, let him go.

You know what's crazy? Let him go. It's going to be interesting. You know what's crazy? It's interesting to hear you say that. There's a story about what Scarface is based on. Scarface is based on five different characters from Miami.

From the cocaine cowboy era. Yeah, from the cocaine cowboy era. So it's crazy because Scarface is based on a real story, but it's based on five different individuals. You know what I'm saying?

So they put them together. And it's crazy because I know one of them. Huh? Huh? No, no, no. It's not based on Mickey Monday. No, no, no. It's not based on Mickey Monday. No, no, no.

The guy that owns Ceefies. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, this guy, he looks so cool. He wear glasses. And then you'll just sit there and you'll be like, hey, so how you doing? They'll be like, hey, man, you know, I used to sell drugs to the church. You'll be like, what the fuck? Because he looks so cool. You're like, hey man, you know, I used to sell drugs to the, what the fuck? Because he looked so cool.

You're like, no, there's no way. And that dude is Cuban? Yeah, he's Cuban. Oh my God, like,

you got to meet him. He's fucking hilarious. I was sitting down having lunch. I was sitting down having, damn, I was having a roogla salad.

I was sitting down having lunch and he saw me and then Fat Joe came into the restaurant and it was sitting down having lunch and he saw me and then Fat Joe came into the restaurant and it was like some ironic shit and

he was like I just knew this guy was somebody. So he said it to Fat Joe about me. He was like I knew it was

somebody and I looked and I couldn't because he looks like a normal person until he says something he's not normal.

He's not normal like in the movies. He's like I told you a long time ago. He got this shit. I told you a long time ago. Yeah, like he's like, he got this shit. I told you a long time ago.

And he hates it. He's in a book and he hates it because like how they described him, he hates it. But it's crazy. So when I say that,

that's what Nino Brown is kind of like based on. Okay, this is one of my favorite questions too. Analog or digital? Analog. I'm an analog dude.

Analog. Yeah, sure. I always say analog was better because, like, if we had to do a record together, we had to be face to face. Yeah. You couldn't send me, you know, a two inch reel.

You couldn't send me a reel. Like, those reels was like little doors. Mm-hmm. Like, so like, you couldn't send little doors. I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that. But you know what I mean, like, those is, like, to have a session in the 90s, you had to physically be in shape.

You had to hold it. Edit by cutting the tape. Two to four tapes. I always tell people, I said, yo, Super Thug is one take. A lot of people don't understand. I did that in one take because I didn't know how to punch in.

He's counting his bars. Yeah. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, one. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, two. What, what. That's how I counted bars. So that's the reason why. Yeah.

And I had to do this shit in one take. So when I left, I remember Pharrell saying, I said, yo, all we need is a hook. And Pharrell, we got the hook. And I said, no, we don't. And he took my ones out. What, what, what, what, what, what, one. What, what. And I said, no, we don't. And he took my ones out. What, what, what, what, what, what, one. What, what, what, what, what, what, two. What, he took those out.

He left it there. I was like, they're going to laugh at me. He said, you're going to laugh all the way to the bank. I believe you. I believe you. I believe you. So, Pharrell, thank you. You were right.

All right. Sorry. 25 years later, let me admit it. You were right Sorry 25 years later Let me admit it You were right I'm so excited Okay Last one The last one for this

And this is the only One that I really feel like Isn't a trick question Loyalty or respect I say respect Respect. Hmm. I say respect. Yes. I say circumstantial for the most part because the person who is loyal to you

can lose respect for you, but still stay loyal to you can lose respect for you but still stay loyal to you. You know, there's that loyalty that's attached to love that people can be unconditionally attached to. But they don't necessarily

respect you. They don't necessarily respect you or lose respect for you behind something you've done. You know what I'm saying? So, but the deep-rooted love

can remain their loyalty. I mean, that's why I definitely say respect. And respect, though, you cannot necessarily have anyone's trust. Damn. You got too deep.

Fuck it. We all got deep. I'm taking a shot. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. I always take both when it comes to that one. You got deep. We say both. I always take both when it comes to that one.

You got these. What's the answer? Amen. We drink for it. I say you got to have it all. Yeah, I say both. You got to have it both, you know? You got to have the loyalty and the respect, you know?

Because when you also a person who's conditioned with a lot of loyalty and you feel like you lost respect that's something like you know that's a sense of pride you lose when you feel like people don't you lose respect from the people you love right i love it all right nigga i love that that's what the shots did. I ain't Googling. You know, you know. We family, right? Yes. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. So, I always wanted to ask y'all. Like, I went through your catalog. One of my favorite records every Saturday. I want to hear Saturday. Mm-hmm.

Did y'all make that record on Saturday? Nah, but the crazy thing is I put that record together and it wasn't for De La. Boom. What?

Go for it. It was amongst us as natives getting together. Native time. Yeah, we started doing these like little side groups where like say Mace, Dave,

Mike G, and Sammy B was supposed to be this thing. Mike G, Jungle Brothers, not Mike Carano. Another dude from my neighborhood named Pop Life. There was supposed to be a group called Kids on Xenovav.

It's almost like a Parliament Funkadelic type of thing. Wow. Okay, okay. You know? Okay. Q-Tip, Africa,

Juju from Beat Nuts, and me, we were the Fabulous Fleas. Wait, wait. Time out. Yeah. Say that again?

Q-Tip, Africa, Q-Tip, Africa, Juju, Juju from the Beat Nuts was also native Tongue. Yeah, and me.

I forgot that. Yeah. When we first was really starting to hang around Jungle, Juju was always with Africa and them because Juju, like, they beat shop together. So I thought Juju was a part of Jungle because Juju was always with Jungle because they used him and Africa

would, like, shop for records. But, yeah, we were fabulousulous Fleas we did a demo and everything that's an ill name too yeah Fabulous Fleas um Juju did I got I got the tape of it Juju did this one record it was called Fabulous Fleas um uh Africa did this joint called The Night I got swatted. It was banging. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on everybody's business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on,

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it's like, yo man, everything is coming out dope, this Ring Ring Ring record is dope, but we need something else. So I asked him, I was like, yo man, can I take this back and use it for Daylight? And I was like, yo man, can I take this back and use it for daylight? They was like, yeah, yeah, go ahead.

And so the rhyme style became more of a singing thing. Five days you work, one whole day you play and then it wound up being Vinny singing it and she just sung. Yeah.

Saturday, Saturday. That's dope, that's dope. I never knew that. God damn it. It was never for daylight. I'm so glad I asked that question. God damn never for data. So glad I asked that question. I'm so glad I asked that question. Holy shit.

Holy shit. Yeah. And I had to, by the way, when you say ring, ring, ring, I had that in mind on the last, but let's also, Buddy. How did this record come about? Jungle just showed up that day If they would have showed up The day after

They could have been on Ghetto Thing They just showed up the day We was working on that record Literally It wasn't like a planned thing They came by the studio that day We was working on that record And then we just

Kind of made it Where like yeah Y'all talked about Jimmy We talked about Jenny When Jimmy and Jenny Get together

What is it It's Buddy So that's how That record kind of Came together Yeah It was just Just like that

Y'all mad dumb As a young nigga Oh Oh I didn't Actually How did you know that You wouldn't have known that Yo I'm mad dumb As a young nigga Oh Oh I didn't Actually How have you known that You wouldn't have known that But I'm saying like

I just now Discovered that Yeah Holy shit Jamie Jenny Everybody That's how you know

You love hip hop Yes Yes The story's like Yes Holy shit You know Jimmy's the man anatomy

Jennifer's the girl anatomy. You put it together, sex is buddy. Yeah, that's what it's all about. So let me ask about native tongue, right? Because I actually had a native tongue T-shirt on, but I put it on and it was too tight on me. I said, let me get my life together. I'm glad because between me and Charles,

you've been looking crazy out here. We'd be looking crazy out here. But that was like, to me, like I said, native tongue. When I thought of that, I didn't know that that was like a crew, almost like Zulu Nation. A super crew. like Zulu Nation, right? And you don't see that no more. You don't see like a Q-tip running around with like a De La Soul. You don't see a Busta Rhymes running around with, you know, these,

how was it being a part of Native Tongue? How was that? I mean, we were just friends, man. I know it sounds weird to say that, meaning like when we came into this and we running around with Paul. Prince Paul. Yeah, Prince Paul could be working with MC Lyte. So then that's how we started hanging around First Priority Music, which was Lyte and Audio 2.

Shout out to Audio 2. The first record I ever mixed down was MC Lyte. Like Swingin'. Yeah. Yep. With Prince Paul. Yeah, so. Life Like swinging Yeah With Prince Paul Yeah so Word up

Shut up Prince Paul Yo It was just like You were happy to be down dog Right Cause before we came out We were In the Latin quarters

And we would see Yo they go Kane They go this person Yo they go Greg Nice So like when you on You hanging with everybody It just becomes like But who after the day on day you really hang around with?

And it just became Jungle. Jungle brought through Tip. So then Tip is down. And then we meet Phife and Ali. You know, we just became crew like that. You know what I'm saying? Busta just showed up at Calliope. I just feel like Busta was just yelling the whole time.

Yo, he sounded. I'm talking about when I met Busta, Busta had to have been 16, and he sounded exactly the same way. Right. Like his voice. Like I just couldn't believe he was 16. Busta called me the other day, I kid you not, right? Like three times.

So I'm thinking something like died. So I pick up, he's like, yo, God, just wanted to let you know I changed your lyric on the vocals. Said, boss,

call me three times. Because he, it's a long story. We got an Armani remix together. And like, he's such a, he's such a artist,

artist that I had said 22 on the record, but it's the year 2023. So he changed it. And he wanted to show me that respect. Say, yo, you know, I changed your vocals. But I was like, you know, you're busting rounds. You're my brother.

I respect you. But he's a very, he's an artist, artist. Yes, he is. For real. Yes, he is. He's a scientist. And it's incredible. Yeah. Who? Oh, For real. Yes he is. He is. He's a scientist.

And it's incredible. Yeah. Who? Bust. He go every year. He don't mind about his sneakers. Going back to native tongues, it almost seemed like an extension of Zulu. Was everybody a part of Zulu?

No. At that point, no. Maybe Mike G probably. Mike G and Af. True tip. Was F. No? He became a part of Zulu? Yeah, he did. He actually did.

Yeah, he did. Yeah, but more so than those guys, I was definitely heavily associated being around all the time. Yeah. And I think I've stayed associated longer than everyone else. Right. But yeah, it was all, Native Tongue was definitely an extension of Zulu Nation.

Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a relationship with Apogabambada? I had a relationship with Bam. Okay. I toured with Bam. Me, Bam, Arthur Baker, Danny Automator. We did the Tommy Boy 20th anniversary tour. That's right.

Yeah, Tommy Boy's world. We would see Bam a lot, though. We would run into Bam a lot. I would be on a lot of DJ gigs. And just seeing, hanging out, being blessed to hang out at Rattler's Crib and, you know, all those records. And, you know, then heading up to the Bronx and you would see, like, we would be with the Violators. So we would run into Bam. We would see Jazzy J.

So, yeah, man, it was. You say you was Violator and you would run into Bam. The Violators. Yes. You know, they ran with Red. You know, they kept him right. You know, Baby Chris. So going up into the Bronx and messing with Baby Chris and all of them, we were, you know they Kept him right you know Baby Chris So going up into the Bronx and messing with Baby Chris and all of them we were you know

Occasionally running to Bam and them up there You know what I'm saying Cause we had Crazy Legs on here right And Crazy Legs kinda implied That it was other people That was rocking the parties Other than Cool Herc Yeah he said that Bambaataa

Bestowed it onto Herc. Yes. That mantle of him being the first. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and it kind of hurt my feelings. That was his senior. It kind of hurt my feelings because I had never heard that before,

but I've seen other people say that as well. Mm-hmm. But what does y'all take on that? Like, you know what I mean? I'm going to drink to that. Okay, okay, okay. I don't know what that means. Me neither. I'm a drink to that okay I've witnessed it be debatable debated crazy legs no they did not debate him a lot of people was calling double running down

and we were like get cool hurt toerc to come here but Herc is that doesn't take away anything from it it doesn't take away but Kool Herc is for lack of a better term the godfather right yeah

I give him that I honestly give him that I mean it's something that I've been identifying with identifying with since I was a child

right you know the first story to be told, granted, it's even debatable when they even talk about what was going on in Brooklyn. There you go. But for that to be the monumental event that

people identify with, Cedric and Cedar, that happened to be a dope fucking party, obviously, you know what I'm saying? That people kept going to. Not to take anything dope fucking party, obviously. You know what I'm saying? That people kept going to. Not to take anything from anyone else, but it seemed like the eyes was always on the Bronx and Manhattan, specifically Harlem, when it came to the culture to begin with. I mean, anyone's history, quite honestly, y'all, it's debatable. I mean, like, like What Daylaw's story

We Long Island Nah it's not You know but No He was born in Brooklyn I was born in the Bronx Dave was from Brooklyn

We moved to Long Island Like There's just aspects Of everyone's story That you can turn around And be like Oh wow Extra P

He wasn't necessarily Like maybe Born in Queens Maybe he's from Harlem Like No one ain't from where they you know what I'm saying right so I mean like I think every aspect of of the story there's always another layer to the story because like he just said like what that doesn't mean that

Brooklyn started rocking once Bronx was rocking Brooklyn was up and running the same way right whose story gets told first you know i'm saying so and individually as a group each of you have your own perspective and might see things your own history even differently definitely well we've seen things that we've experienced things right right yeah based on where he coming from from the bronx and me coming from brooklyn and then migrating to long island our journeys was different within hip-hop dog i, I was a little, I'm sorry to cut, I was a little kid when the blackout happened. Right. My mom was 88.

That was in the 70s. That was 70s. 78, wasn't it? 78 or 76, something like that. I was born in 77. And the blackout happened. Yo, all the chaos outside my window. My mother wouldn't let me look out the window.

And that's when hip-hop got his, you know, because everyone was stealing equipment. We hear that recently. Double-fisted? I respect you. Double-fisted. I respect you. Thank you.

Oh, I heard that on Rob Swift's podcast. He talked about that, that everybody stole the equipment and all of a sudden, everyone had equipment. It was an exclusive club that was DJ. on Rob Swift's podcast. He talked about that, that everybody stole the equipment. Yeah. And all of a sudden. Everyone had a equipment. I was at an exclusive club that was DJ. DJ Rob Swift? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, he got a podcast? Yeah, he does. Yeah, yeah. That's one of the dopest DJs I've ever met. Executioners? Yeah. Dope crew. And so he was saying that.

And what he's throwing out in terms of his perspective and the history of the DJs is amazing. You should check it out. Because we're trying to get dj efn to go back to dj i still rock he just want to go vinyl though i'm like yo get a fucking he want to have boris with him right there i didn't transition yo let me tell you, dog. I wanted to DJ my birthday party. I wasn't like... I can tell you, dog.

Us as... Us being blessed... Put it like this. If I gave you these certain files, you might make a transition. Yes, yes. Because these certain files is only amongst the homies.

Yo, if you give me... Because Native Instruments, they sponsored me and I didn't make the transition. Thank you, man. I love it. But I love my crates. I don't want to carry the crates, though.

That's why I didn't move on. I miss the days of DJ EFM being a DJ. Even us being on the road and Mace had to carry his crates of records. That struggle, people don't know what that is. My back is fucked up now behind that shit. Back? For real. I remember one time we was performing in Detroit.

And rest in peace Jam Master Jay. And I told my DJ, I was like, yo, go get your equipment. Go and jump on real quick. And Jam Master Jay would not let yo, go get your equipment. Go and jump on real quick. And Jam Master Jay would not let Butch Rock touch his equipment. Oh, yeah, nah. I didn't know that was like a stop for all of my DJs. Like, I didn't know that.

Like, he was like, what? You don't touch. I'm going to DJ for Norway right now. So Butch is like, no, no, no. You don't know when to drop it. And he said, uh-uh. No one touches my equipment. And I was like. People would set up

their setups next to each other if there were different DJs rocking. Yeah. DJ set up almost like a drum kit. Yeah. Yeah, DJ niggas is petty.

I would bring my whole record collection to the club. That's what I'm talking about, niggas. I'm putting it all together. DJs is very... The way technology has evolved, it's been able to make us

work together. Okay. But prior to that, it's been able to make us work together. Okay. But prior to that, it's just everybody got a certain hand weight and the way they structure their needles and all of that. Remember they used to have pennies? Yeah. What was that about pennies? Some people got pennies. Some people got nickels.

Yeah, depending how heavy your hand is. Right. Look how happy he is. Look how happy he is. Look how happy he is. It was always an understood thing for those who really respect one.

Right. That's true. You don't even want to rock on an X-Men set. Nah. Like I remember going to clubs and I remember

like Funkmaster Flex would like tell the dj before him do not play these certain records and i would be like what so i don't know if that's like a respect thing too it's like if i'm the headliner you can't play the record before me is that yeah you exhaust the records that you know are gonna run the party and the headlining dj right he wants that for himself I mean that's debatable amongst DJs because a good DJ can play the same record

in a different way and still win you know and yeah that's a debatable thing and that being a thing I always took pride in being the DJ

that played the B side on the album like Camillo Camillo's one of my favorite DJs I even I even wait I even wait until the hit record is not a hit anymore. Right. And then play it later.

You know what I'm saying? You know, like a memory thing. I like telling a story through the way the records that I'm playing. Right. I'm telling you a story through that. That's the way I like to play the records. So you're going to play again? Uh-huh.

Geez, I want to come out. Look, I have so much a story through that. That's the way I like to play the records. So you're going to play again? I want to come out. Look, I have so much respect for DJing. DJing didn't come naturally to me. I didn't have any mentors. I was watching videos. I was getting whatever, however I could absorb the skill. But I would practice for hours upon hours before I had a club night or a set anywhere. And then once we started

doing different things and doing, like, those practice hours weren't coming in anymore and then the technology changed and I'm like, out of respect to this art form, unless I'm going to put in those hours,

I'm not going back on the sets. That's how I am with emceeing right now. If I'm not going to go all the way in, I'm not going to do it no more. So, sorry to everybody. You're seeing it I come so natural to you dog. Sorry to everybody. He asked me for verses Sorry, I like this shit

But I'm with you In my neighborhood is DJ craze one of the illest DJs in the world. Incredible. I'm like, look at this. I can't do this. You know what I'm saying? This guy is doing magic. He's an alien. He's one of the ones that inspired me. Yeah.

Like Rob Swiffer. You mentioned it earlier. Oh, man, executioners. Those are out of control. Those are DJ Q-Bird, the beat junkies. Boogie Blind. You know, the rest goes down. All of them dudes, man.

They don't even get the respect they deserve. It's something that I'm going to take a shot. I know you don't have to. I'm going to take a shot, too. This is to De La Soul. And you know what? Rest in peace, Dave, man. You know what?

I didn't want to be a heavy heart. I'm hearing you. Yeah, it's bittersweet, man. Yeah, because you know why? It is. Like, y'all my big brothers in a lot of ways. Y'all was on Tommy Boy before me.

I came out, I felt like in a lot of ways, I followed y'all footsteps. Without following y'all footsteps, but following y'all footsteps. And I can remember when I found out that you guys was fighting for your rights.

I remember that moment. I remember me sitting back and saying, their story is more important than mine. And what I mean by that is, I knew y'all getting your rights back first was more important. And it still was to me. Because y'all my OGs. Y'all people who I salute. Y'all people who I take my hat off to. So y'all getting y'all. Yeah, I Y'all people who I salute. Y'all people who I take my hat off to. So y'all getting y'all,

yeah, I'm getting it. Yeah, yeah. So y'all getting y'all flowers meant more to me. And that's when I knew I was a good person. Because I said, it's about them.

It's about not me. I get it afterwards. But they get their rights back. They get, and hip hop stood with y'all. And I'm telling you, that's a get, and hip-hop stood with y'all. And I'm telling you, that's a beautiful thing. I really, really respect y'all.

I really honor y'all. Man, I'm thankful. I'm thankful that y'all here, man. I'm really, really thankful. Love you, bro. Honestly. Y'all love you. And I love you.

Word. That's real, man. And just a testament to, like, people laugh sometimes when I bring artifacts But I bought this as a kid It was a single And because I wanted

To preserve the singles I would cut the joint out And put it in a hard plastic joint So it was good And think about it A kid buying this And the legacy That's still today

What you guys are You know what I'm saying To be able to bring this now To this show today Is incredible man And the legacy you guys have has impacted all of us the entire culture every single person here it goes without words man DJ EFN got a tennis ball from 1994 That was actually before that for Carrot Swine

It was in 92, 91, 92 He's the artifact guy man and I'ma be honest that shit is so dope bro Thank you I need y'all to sign this You gon' get them to sign it? No question I'm going to be honest. That shit is so dope, bro. Thank you. I need y'all to sign it. You going to get them to sign it? No question. I'm about to say,

I'm taking a shot for that, too. Don't worry. No more. No more. I'm going to chill. I'm chilling. No more shots. This is it for the God.

Yeah, you lying. Now, let me ask you. What the hell is potholes in my lawn? Suck it, MC. Bite my rind. That's it. Oh, that's what that is? Okay. Now, let me ask you, what the hell is potholes in my lawn? Sucker MC biting my lawn. That's it. Oh, that's what that is? Okay. Because you know why?

When I first heard potholes in my lawn, by the way, I was poor. So I didn't have a lawn. So I didn't know what a lawn was. You're like, somebody's lawn got holes in my lawn. So I always wanted to ask you that. Sucker MC biting my lawn. Yeah. So I always wanted to ask you about that. Sucker MC biting my rhymes. The long one is our rhymes and the pottos or the chunks that our sucker MC would have bit off of the tape. Y'all went deep with that.

Y'all went very deep. Holy shit. You know what I'm like in the studio, though? When I hear the rhymes. But the beauty was I got it. That was like my main connection, fucking with them. When I'm hearing the rhymes,

I'm like, oh shit, I know what the fuck he mean. Right, right. Yeah. So, you want to say something else? No, no, no. So, you know, speaking about, you know,

rest in peace to Dave, I remember me being with Pun, right? And I remember me going to actual Pun's funeral. And I stood on the side of his casket, well, in front of his casket. And everybody kind of, you know, grabbed me and said, he's not suffering no more. And I couldn't I couldn't grasp it grasp it because

I'd never seen Pun suffer but then I started to think about it I used to remember at times where Pun would fall asleep sleep apnea I didn't know I was too young at the time I would look at Pun

and I would step my story up I thought I was being boring you know what I mean I thought I was being boring. You know what I mean? I thought I was being boring. So is that something that you guys knew about Dave? No, we knew. I mean, Dave had congested heart failure. We've been knowing about it since Grind Date.

Grind Date. The Grind Date album. Wow. There were certain things he could have done or was told to do. And at one point he could be doing it. You know, and you just get comfortable. Complacent. Yeah.

And okay, I'm doing what the doc told me to do. I'm on point. And sometimes you just want to fall off your regiment Your healthy regiment And that was a battle that he had Mace can confirm what I'm saying as far as Like I said to Mace like Me and Dave was together on the Gorillaz tour last year

And I was just saying like yo man Mase like me and Dave was together On the Gorillaz tour last Year and I was just Saying like yo man Dave Is having a problem with just this one Song like you know like we get through It we rock it but When he gets off stage it was just Like a lot as if we had

Performed for almost an hour so I was like yo Man I don't I don't think we're gonna tour No more I just Really don't think we're going to tour no more. I just really don't think that's going to be possible. But I'm being honest. Death? Nah. I just thought it would be like,

yo, Dave would show up on the TV shit. You know what I'm saying? He could sit here and do this. Maybe we narrow it down to doing three or four songs. You know, we were just thinking that early about, you know, adjusting things. You know, like when the Grammy thing came up, all right, this is a good opportunity. Let's do this. Dave was all in.

But then he just, I guess, he just felt like, well, no, I really can't fly. And then it just didn't happen. So we was all on the phone After that Grammy joint And we was just all Really talking And yo we was like Yo man It was bittersweet I was like yo Thank y'all for like

Giving me the props For what I did But I just miss my niggas Being there with me Right And I was just like Yo man And we just all started laughing

Cause I was like Yo this nigga Melly Mel This nigga got like 700 muscles You know what I'm saying? He looks amazing. He want to fight somebody. Yo, and I was just like, and Dave was like, we was all laughing together.

We just all laughing. It was like, yeah, man, we got to get our health right, man. Like, you know, so it was something, man. It was like we all talked three days before we lost this brother. Like, you know, we got to get this right. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't see this shit coming. I'm being honest.

I didn't see it at all. Yeah, man. God bless. Let's take a moment of silence. Can you get everybody back there? Let's take a moment of silence. Yeah, man. Oh.

Yeah, nah. Really apologize fellas Nah man You know It's all good Yeah And we all lost Yeah dog Cause it's all lost too

Yeah It's all good And the tears The tears are warranted You know like He was a good man dog But did he get to To know that y'all got the rights back

Nah he knew all that Okay It was just that We were all We was talking about But did he get to know that y'all got the rights back? No, he knew all that Okay, okay It was just that we were all We was talking about 48 hours before he passed Yeah Wow Yeah Yeah

We was ready No Because we already knew like We was ready I know for him He was ready to go Yeah, I know for him though It was cool time

It was about It was ready to go Yeah I know for him though It was cool time It was about It was cool time Yeah Like I said All this shit was set up That Webster Hall shit was set up We had the Spotify shit set up We was

Yo we was On it We was on it But I think Dave knew His limitations And he was just trying to be there for us. You know what I'm saying?

And he didn't want to let us down. You know what I'm saying? So... I tried to talk him out of going to the Grammys because he was still trying to go. Me and him both been struggling with some health issues, you know, but his was way more severe than me. And I'm like, smiles would call me up.

Our tour manager, he called me up and be like, yo, man, I don't think this dude should do this, man. Figure out how to let Merce just do this by himself. So we got on the phone with a call, and I'm like, yo, man, this is how I feel. I'm thankful for the opportunity, but maybe we should just let Merce rock. And he was still adamant about trying to go.

And then even down to trying to make it to the Grammys, he couldn't make it. The day of his flight, he couldn't make it. Yeah. He was prideful. But after the Grammys, we were on the phone, you know, proud of him for holding it down. Like, he rapped. The man killed it. Held it down like he rapped man killed it held it down you know we on the phone like

just ready like talking that good behind even business things structured things that we knew we still needed to complete that we completed like it was gold time nori it was go time, Norrie. It was go time. Yeah. Man. Fucked up with it. Yeah. It was a loss to all of hip hop. You know what I mean? But I imagine this is me. Just me just seeing you brothers talk about it. And by the way, thank you.

Thank y'all for being, you know. Yeah, open because, like I said, with Pun, I felt like Pun was my best friend. Right? But I felt like I was naive with Pun, me. The night of Pun's funeral, his son was born. What? We had a show at the Roxy. The Roxy in L.A.?

Or the Roxy in New York? New York, okay. And the night of his funeral, his son was being born. Everybody who was pretty much at the funeral came to the roxy held us down till he got to the show wow like everybody life cycle yeah yo it's crazy because um you look a little crazy you look a little crazy. You look a little crazy. Yeah, yeah. Looks like you was doing cocaine, man. OK. You and Robby Dick is singing that song together.

Stop. OK. I ain't going to lie. I don't know what that shit was, but that shit look great. You look like you had a drift, bro. Yo. Nah, man, but thank you. Yo, so where's your favorite place to perform?

Don't tell me Dusseldorf, Germany. That's your favorite place in the world. It's my favorite place. I love it. Always brings up Dusseldorf, Germany. I love Dusseldorf. Oh, they own money? Oh, for tourism. Hard to say, man.

It's a lot. Because we, from the jump, we was always out there. We loved the tour. Like, us and Tri would be together and Tip and them would be like, you know, if two weeks in, they'd be like, yo, we want to go home. We always just wanted to keep going. So, it's a bunch, man. I can't say.

Like, the UK is like home. London is home. Brixton? It's home. Big up. I don't know why I did that Little question But uh

You know Japan is dope Okinawa Okinawa is banging That's not mainland Japan but But yeah Okinawa is dope What did you just say to me It's not mainland Japan

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And I'll never forget rocking with Nile Rodgers and Sister Sledge one time. Oh, shit. No, not Sister Sledge. Point of Sisters. That's what I'm saying.

Our music, dog, our music has allowed us to rock, as you said, an all-rap program. It could be us and Lenny Kravitz. It could be us and Tito Puente. We did a show, Us, Tito Puente, and all-rap program. It could be us and Lenny Kravitz. It could be us

and Tito Puente. We did a show, us, Tito Puente, and Regina Bell. Wow. We've done it. Our music just allowed us to go any and everywhere,

dog. That's a different lineup right there. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, whether it's like he just said, we could be over here doing something

with someone over here. We can come back on this side and we, we with Bad Bunny, we like, we able to run any which way

you point, we can do it. You know what I'm saying? Doing shows with Bad Bunny? I'm just saying. I think it's B.I.P. B.I.P. I think it's L.B.

Zay Cheese. I love that shit. You know, Bad Bunny killed Coachella. Yeah. Who he brung out? He brung out, I forgot who he brung out.

He brung out a Post Malone. But on the second weekend, I know he brought, ah, come on, Juan. Post Malone.

No, no. Luis Feliciano? Yeah, that. Yeah, yeah. Brought him. We know your shit. Nigga. We know your shit.

Because he toured with all of them. We used to play on stage for two hours plus. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know? Yeah. Actually, used to that. You said no.

Listen, no. I remember the first time I went to Europe, I did 45 minutes. They was like, that's OK. He went two hours. And the niggas were in an encore. Yes. And they were in an encore Yes And they want And they want And you better not

Do it on a track Nah No no no A backtrack With your vocal Nah I'm friends with DJ EFN

He won't even DJ If it's not Vinyl I went without my Vinyl to the Canadians That's what we did

I'm not sure about that Yeah DJ Yeah The Native Instruments Joins Okay my bad My bad

I apologize I apologize With us Traveling around the world That really helped us Because The states man This hip hop thing was ours

So like You could do a show in LA People would show up At the House of Blues But it was just kind of Normal You know what I'm saying Like

You could be rocking, you see a bunch of niggas talking, and if you could turn around and be like, yo, stop talking, nigga, I'm rocking. Where you going overseas, it was like, yo, you don't live here. This is special to us. So, like, they wanted you to give them everything.

You couldn't shortchange them. You know, so that was, I'm being honest, that was our school. to us. So like they wanted you to give them everything. You couldn't shortchange them. You know, so that's, that was, I'm being honest, that was our school. Like,

so when we came back to the States, we provided that where we made sure like, yo, like we do that to this day. I did that at Coachella. Some, some girl didn't put her hand up

or she wasn't like doing the, the, the pledge I told her to do. Like I made everyone point at her ass like, yo, like,

I can't take in this Yes Give up your space Yeah We want to make this An experience So Those are definitely

Lessons we've learned You know what I'm saying I remember I was in Warsaw, Poland One night Right And I I show up there

And they're saying CNN CNN So I'm saying To the promoter I say And I show up there, and they're saying, CNN, CNN. So I'm saying to the promoter, I say, how long have they been saying this? They said, since 7 o'clock. So I was like, they think I'm late? They're like, no. But then I look, and then they're like, everyone shaved their head to look like you, Nori. And I was like, that wasn't a good idea.

This is so good here. Who about the white people? They're like skinheads. They're looking like skinheads. I'm scared to death for them now. What the fuck is y'all talking about?

Can you tell them to put their hair back on? I'm sorry. I lost focus. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Because it's crazy. Mm-hmm.

We're a bunch of kids from Queens. Queens, Long Island, Bronx, Brooklyn, and we actually got to perform all over the world. That shit is crazy when you think about it. The countries that you guys have been. I was sitting here with Chuck D, and Chuck D said he'd been to 100 countries. Oh, man. I didn't even know 100 countries existed. I was like, really? I think he said more than 100, to be honest. He said he'd been to 100 countries. Oh, man. I didn't even know 100 countries existed. I was like, really? I think he said more than 100, to be honest.

He said 134. Yeah. I got to say, we've done probably the same. Yeah. That's why I'm bringing it up. That's why I'm bringing it up. That's why I'm bringing it up. We've pretty much been everywhere public enemy has been.

You've been to Kazakhstan? Yeah. I ain't been to Kazakhstan. We've been where Cypress Hill has been. Ice-T has been. Y'all been to Kazakhstan? Yeah. I ain't been to Kazakhstan. We've been where Cypress Hill has been. Yeah. Ice-T has been. We've been repeated offenders at a whole bunch of places.

How is that, like, rocking the world? Because that's probably the only thing I miss about hip-hop, is rocking the world. Yeah. Like, when I'm on that world... That's a blessing, man. Like, that's the only thing I miss about hip hop, is rocking the world. Like when I'm on that world. That's a blessing, man. Like that's the only thing I miss.

But other than that, I love my space. But how is it? David Dean, the motherfucker, baby! And you got the Knicks colors on! God damn it! Yeah, you Miami motherfuckers! Now we in Miami! We in Miami!

Miami! Miami here! We in Miami! Yeah! Yeah! Come on, Now, we in Miami. We in Miami. Miami. Miami. We in Miami. Come on, pull up a chair. Put up a chair. Dane County. Pull up a chair. It's crazy.

Yeah, put up. You got the right colors on, Dane. Nope. You got the right colors on. I don't know, dog. I don't know. You might be starting some trouble out here with that. Dane County, baby.

Yo, huh? Oh, yo, listen. That's the best rivalry. Miami Heat against the Knicks. Reggie Miller, I hated him. And Jordan. Jordan crushed. Every year

we get right next to this. And Jordan, he dunked on us. Don't like it. I never got over it. To be a Knicks fan, you know how hard it is to be a Jets fan. I'm a Knicks fan. Whoa.

I'm a battered wife when it comes to the Knicks. I'm a battered wife. I'm a battered wife. Oh, my God. Oh, being a Knicks fan is horrible, bro. I just got to act like I ain't seen a game. Did you see the game? I'm like to act like I ain't see the game. They be like, did you see the game? I'm like, nah, I ain't see that shit.

Because I don't want to. But are you a Knicks fan? I don't really watch basketball. You don't fuck with sports, I can tell. I'm not like that, no. I can tell you fuck with sports. Basketball. Basketball. And boxing.

And boxing. Yeah, yeah. You seen the tank fight? No, I missed that fight. You missed the tank fight? We was doing Coachella. Yeah. Oh, my bad. Yeah, yeah. You seen the tank fight? No, I missed that fight. You missed the tank fight? We was doing Coachella. Yeah. Oh, my bad.

Yeah, yeah, come on. That was the greatest floss ever. Yeah, we missed the fight. We was doing Coachella. Only 50,000. Only 50,000 people. Yeah, yeah. Yo, what is that?

Weed. Weed? Well, keep rolling up, motherfucker. So for people that don't know, you guys have pluck one, pluck two, pluck three. For people that don't know,

describe what that means. It was just a chant. It was just... It was almost like a count. Like, you know, when people about to rhyme and be like, yo, yo, yo. And then they start rhyming. Like, yo, what, what, what? Yeah, I was about to say that. Like, you know, when people bought the rhyme and be like, yo, yo, yo.

And then they saw a rhyme. Like, yo, what, what, what? Yeah, I was about to say that. So it was the same shit. It was like plug one. To count in. Plug two. That's all it was.

And it was just for that. Plug tuning was just a routine. Right. It wasn't really about it being a song. It was a routine. He would cut and impeach the president, and we would do plug tuning. Do you guys ever,

and I'm going to talk to you because you're here. As an emcee, do you ever put yourself in that top tier category of lyricists that a lot of people put you in, including myself? I'm the only nigga that ain't wearing my wedding band today. Come on, bro. How you changing the subject? From lyricist to wedding band. I'm like only nigga that ain't wearing my wedding band today. Come on, bro. How you changing the subject? From living to wedding band.

I'm like, damn, my wife might be mad at me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I looked at your shit. I'm like, damn, even EF is wearing his shit. He's the worst. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Do you consider yourself a top tier lyricist in that, like up there with the greats?

I mean, me personally, I've never done that. I just always said to myself, I am nowhere near. I'm galaxies away from the wackest nigga. Absolutely. But I've never. But you are at the top tier. I mean, I appreciate when people say that. I've just always been the person where I allow myself to get scared.

Like when I gotta be on a record with Black Thought I'm like oh no this nigga's not gonna dust me like that's how I look at it and that's how you maintain that's how you're sharpening you know I if I gotta be on something with most I'm like ah shit I gotta I start and my own nigga Dave he was like that he yo I'm the person where if we had a studio session, so I know if we're going to go in the studio Wednesday and do something. So Sunday, I'm already writing. Wednesday, I come with it. Dave would just be sitting there listening to what I'm doing.

He pulls out a pad. He shits his shit out right there. That's how ill Dave was. That's how ill he was. That's how ill he was. So whatever I was trying to be or I had became, it's because I was not trying to be left in the dust behind him. You know, so, no, I don't. I don't think of myself like that at all. I just, I really respect, you know,

and I'm humbled by whatever anyone feel how my skills are, but I'm always up for improvement. I listen to the young dudes. I hear shit, and I'll be like, yo, that's dope, and it just inspires me. You know what I'm saying? I was in L.A. not too long ago. Status Selector was doing a release party for Kodu,

and I was listening to his shit. It was dope. And I was like Yo man This is dope Like It didn't I'm just always a student of shit Right You know

Always Well we know you humble But we gonna brag for you Hey Y'all one of the best groups Of all motherfucking time Thank you bro Yep

Absolutely Hands down With no equivocations I don't even use big words With no equivocations Y'all are One of the best groups of all time. Oh, thank you.

Y'all make global music. You have sustained you guys, the fans, the people. You guys are the people's champions. And just in case you want to be humble, we're going to tell you that. To your goddamn face. Goddamn face. I appreciate it. Come on.

Yo, I ain't gonna lie. Diamond D came in here full-fledged. Nick Attaya. Yo, I'm so... Listen, I'm running to go to the store. Can we make it a footlocker?

I'm trying to put on what Diamond D got on. Damn, holy shit. You want to bring Diamond D in? Yes. I told him to get a chair. Let's get Diamond D a chair. Let's cut and let's bring him in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. I need a chair. Let's get Diamond D a chair. Let's cut and let's bring him in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. I need a water. Oh, hell yeah. All right. Let's make some motherfucking noise for Diamond D. at you to the right and I seen it and I said, this is exactly how I feel. That's right. Like, because New York and we're in Miami. We're going to show

Miami. You're in Dade County. You're in Miami. We're in Dade County. When we were to be exact. Yes, when we were to be exact. You used to be

Little Puerto Rico. Yep, I did. You see the tank fight? Yeah, no question. Oh, he put it on him.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. I knocked him out with a jab to the wrist I knew I listened

God bless me Ryan Garcia Yeah I did like you But I just didn't know I know he wasn't Tank is a dog man Too much That's too much

Yeah that's crazy That's crazy So Diamond D Tell us what's going on Yo You know the album's out The rear view The rear view

You know what I mean You know I'm here today To shoot One of the videos, the album's out, The Rearview. The Rearview. You know what I mean? I'm here today to shoot one of the videos off the album. That's what I got with my man Paz right here. That's right. That's right. And just here to show support to the family.

That's right. Hold on. I'm a huge Daylight fan, too. God damn it. We all are. We all are. Thank you, bro. So, you said you're filming a video today. This is yours.

Right. It's for the O.K. So, tell us what this record is about. The song, Flying High. It's basically about just moving forward and just staying above the bullshit. That's how I would call it. You know what I mean? For real.

Your man right here, Pop, he don't do too many features, so when he blessed me with the verse, you know what I mean? I really appreciated that. He don't do too many appearances. Earlier today, you said that,

did I see the picture with Fat Joe? Right. He's 13 years old with a Knicks jersey on. Yeah, yeah. You remember the start of Jack is in 84?

You said you took that picture? Yeah, my man Troy took it, but we were together. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You see Joe playing basketball. Yeah, I don't think Joe can play basketball. I'm saying You know You see Joe You see Joe playing basketball Yeah I don't think Joe

Can play basketball I'm just being honest That's my friend Nah He had a little game He had a little game That's my friend But I'll

Joe is not something That I think of Of course I don't think of basketball Or I think of bad Joe You don't think of Joe Poplock In either Oh

That's right I was there That's right I seen him do it I seen him do it I seen him With the white gloves and everything. Oh, nigga. You got moves?

You got moves? Did you say white gloves? No, you didn't say white gloves. Fat Joe had on white gloves? You said you too? Pick up my brother Fat Joe, man. That's hip hop. Yo, so Diamond, let me ask you, because their story is so famous.

Their story is so famous of them not having the rights to their music. And then they finally got the rights to their music. Where was you at when you found out that they got their shit back? Oh, Dayla? Yeah, yes. Oh, well, I know they was going through it with Tommy Boy for a while.

You know what I mean? So, you know, it's artists from that era. You know, they know that, yo, you know, I think after 35 years, the rights reverse back to you.

I think it's 30, but it might be 35. Either or. But I mean, owning your matches is everything. You know what I mean? That's your blood, sweat, and tears.

So, you know, you should control that. Right. You know what I mean? That's your blood, sweat, and tears. So, you know, you should control that. You know, I'm trying to get Stuntz, Bluntz, and Hip Hop back as we speak. Right. Class line record. Because it's been 30 years? The bigger pitch is ownership. Yeah. Has it been 30 years?

Yep. It has been 30 years. So they have to give it back to you, right? Yep. 92. Best kept secret. Sally got a one-track mind. Crazy. What a crazy record. Trying wow. Best Kept Secrets. Sally got a one track mind. Woo.

Crazy. What a crazy record. Trying to get my masses back as well. God damn it man. Jesus. I would never think that we would have to

have this conversation. Like that. Right. Because I believe that hip hop is one of the worst loans you could ever have. Like they give you this money.

Yeah. Which is what it is. It's a bank loan. It's a bank loan. Yeah. High-interest bank loan. It's the worst bank loan ever. So have you guys had a chance to speak to Tom Silverman direct or no?

It had nothing to do with him once he sold his- I spoke to him the actual day we started the boycott. That's when I spoke to him. It was that morning before we went up to Sway. That's when I spoke to him. And what was this conversation like?

I really don't want to talk about it. Fair enough with me. For real. Yeah. I really don't. You know what I mean? I'd rather talk to you about it. Fair enough with me. For real. Yeah. I really don't. You know what I mean? I'd rather talk to you about it off camera. Okay, no problem.

Yeah, yeah. No problem. I mean, for me, I forgive him now. Yeah. Moving forward because forgiveness is about forgiving yourself first. Yeah.

You know what I mean? But he didn't want to negotiate with me when I was like, you know, we had reached out to each other. I don't remember if it was him or it was me or whatever, but we spoke. And I was trying to buy

the rights back from him. Direct. Direct. And it wasn't amicable. It wasn't, it wasn't nothing. Yeah, this wasn't either. It had to fall in the hands of someone else for it to be right. Yeah, this wasn't either. It may have had to fall

in the hands of someone else for it to be right. Right. You know, so that's why I bigged him up, then having to really talk about him, you know, because you're right. He's not really a good person, but I always knew that. Right. You know what I'm saying? I didn't always know that. You know, I knew that from the type of business he does, you know? I mean, here's who he is. Once I understood that many, many years ago, all I did was do what he did, what he been doing to him. That's all I did. And all I did

was say what he said. I never said anything bad about him. Just said what he said. And let everybody else decide if it was right or wrong. Because I already know it's wrong as shit. You know what I'm saying? Right.

And at the end of the day, like he always presented it. It's business, right? Right, yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's all. We want to take care of his business, man. That's it.

It don't really even get personal. We don't even got to really talk on him, you know. We're just blessed to be here Doing what we're doing With people who want to do business And I mean Come on man Let's be honest

Business don't necessarily Always got to be fair business You just got to Once you show you know Knowledge of something Maybe people will deal with you A certain way You know what I'm saying

Hold on What you just said You said business don't always have to be Business don't have to be fair Business is business At the end of the day But don't portray to be my friend. Right.

That's the thing. You know, that was the thing that me and you, when we went to CBS, and when we went to CBS, I'm just leaving Tommy Boy. I'm just leaving all this shit. I didn't want to be friends with nobody at CBS. Not because I didn't want to be friends with them, but because this is a lot of investment. When you sign to a label or you start doing business with people, you start to like them. And then you don't

know that they'll be traded the next day. They'll be in Nebraska the next day. And then I have to sit there with this. You don't want to be friends with anybody. So I don't want to be friends with them no more. Because I started to understand business. When I was young, I understood friendship. I didn't want to be with them no more. So it's like, because I started to understand business. When I was young, I understood friendship. Yeah.

I didn't understand business. I wanted to be friends with everybody. But when I got older, I was like, fuck being friends. Let me get my check, and that's it. Yeah. It doesn't mean that I'm not friendly. It doesn't mean, but what it is is I'm more of a businessman. No, I could still be your friend.

I'm going to find out if you're going to be my friend. That's where it's at. Because now it's just for me to own up to, let me stop harboring these feelings that I think is going to affect the friendship. Things that I think I shouldn't say that I feel is right for me. The minute I feel like I say what's right for me, the person who feel like I'm saying some foul shit, not my friend. Yep. It's real.

And we got to remember the history of this industry, the music industry. It's always been a racket. Yeah. A racket. Like the club? Not like the club, but like the club. Actually, like the club.

You know what I'm saying? That's the foundation of the music industry. And I'll tell people, go do your history and understand it. And when you understand where it comes from, the evils that come from that, you know? We understand. I mean, me and Drez, we've talked on this. Black Sheep? Yeah. And we've said like, yo, man, if a label was just fair, fair.

Fair. Cats would be millionaires if they were just fair. Fair. Right. Don't over extend yourself. Just fair. Right. But business is not about being fair.

Business is about being business. It's like a chess game. Almost what you negotiate is what you get. What you get. You know what I'm saying? It's chess and it's Othello. You know, how we got to move amongst the game of deception. Yeah.

So like you said, we could be young. Yo, I know this dude. Yeah, he's going to come in here. He's going to want the girls. He's going to want the girls. He's going to want the Tims and all that bullshit. And they just take everything from you. You know what I'm saying? Because they see that you want the glory of it all.

You know what I'm saying? You want the bitches. You want the car. You want the, and you get nothing. You want the aesthetics. Yeah. And you won't read the fine print. Yeah.

And a lot of times, even with us, when you were, look, let's make sure we have a lawyer. Yo, they had that covered. The lawyer was down

with them niggas. Yo, man. Yeah, that's what's fucked up. That's the game. You know what I'm saying? That's always been. Hold on, hold on, hold on. That's always been.

Can you say that again? The lawyers are in cahoots with each other. Can you say that one more time? Nigga. They get kick again? The lawyers are in cahoots with each other. Can you say that one more time? Say that one more time. The lawyer was in cahoots with the fucking label. So the lawyer's like, yo, this is a good deal. What it really is is everybody's in cahoots with the close of the deal.

If you're not paying your lawyer straight out your pocket, win or lose, he's trying to get his bread off the close of the deal. And if everybody's moving on a percentage base, yeah, the more money that's on the table. So if I can convince you to give up your publishing for more cash, it's more money on top of my percentage as opposed to what can protect my client.

I don't know if y'all understand what he's saying, bro. Holy shit. As opposed to what can really protect my client. So my client can have longevity and I can have, as a lawyer, longevity with my damn client. But nobody ever really saw it like that. You know what I'm saying? First of all, when we came in, they didn't even expect this shit to even make it around the block.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, we was projected sales at somewhere like, what, 50,000 units or some shit like that? 50,000. Three for your high and rising. 50,000. Three for your high and rising. That's why I'm looking Black. So, you know, but the beauty I can say in the entire relationship, we had no creative hold, you know?

You know, most artists got, the label got in the way of the records they made. You know, Tommy Boy didn't get in the way of that. How they did get in the way, if they wasn't feeling something like naming your album, They Lost, Soul is Dead, they'll pull back on the budget of promoting. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, we do what we did to supersede to be us. You know what I'm saying?

Like I said, man, and I'm sorry to cut you, but it ain't about harboring on that dude. I mean, like it's not. Oh, shit. It's not. It's really not, man. It's just about we are where we are now. It's not even just him, though, Merce. It's not. Oh, shit. It's not. It's really not, man. It's just about we are where we are now. It's not even just him, though, Merce. No, no.

It's kind of a systematic thing. Yeah, yeah. No, it is systematic. We're not the same thing. We are another tire with a different rim. And even some of these label execs, they don't even know what it is because it's something that's just- It was following tradition. It's been ongoing forever.

It seems like this is business as usual. It's called standard practice. Yeah ongoing forever. It seems like this is business as usual. Standard practice. It was following tradition. And a lawyer might even tell his client, hey, this is what it is, but you're dealing with oftentimes young artists. Like, I just want to get the deal. Yeah. You know, but if you look back, if you really look at it, you're still exploiting a young mind. You know what I'm saying?

It's all circumstantial. It's where you are in your life. You know what I'm saying it's all circumstantial it's where you are in your life you know what I'm saying if you just work at McDonald's or hustling on the block that deal that's on the table it's a life changer

right yeah you just if you just expect things to grow all of us is dumb because we all

kind of knew that it wasn't the right thing to do but we're like yo we're going to fix it the next album right you always think you could renegotiate in a sense the right thing to do, but we're like, yo, we're going to fix it the next album. Right. Yeah, right.

You always think you did. You could renegotiate it in a sense. And which is, in my case, we had Capone and Noriega, then Capone went to jail. I was forced to do

a solo album. I wasn't going to be a solo artist. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I was forced to do it and it worked out for me in the long run. But if I had that,

that not have happened, I would have been signing this Capone and Noriega for life. Yeah. For life. I did not read that shit at all.

Were you on penalty? Penalty, yes. What was it like over there with Ian? Well, I was with Neil Levine. Oh, Neil. Yeah, Neil Levine.

Actually, I love Neil to tell you the truth. No doubt, yeah. Me and Neil always, we're still cool to this day He's probably the cheapest person I ever met

But he's also fought for me Yeah Because when I It was a time Where you had to have A Hype Williams video Or you not going platinum And I needed a Hype Williams video

And I remember Tommy would never do a Hype Williams. Yeah, I got it. I got that bunch of the crack. I remember this like it was yesterday. Hype Williams calls me and goes, book a room with the Trump. So I go, all right, this is the time where Trump was not racist. I threw that in there. I threw that in there. My bad.

Y'all wasn't ready? Y'all wasn't ready? Y'all niggas. He was always like, he didn't know. He wasn't a politician then. Yeah, he wasn't a politician. So Hyde Williams, just like the rich guy he was at the time, and he is still probably, he said, book a room at the Trump. So I didn't know what to do. I rich guy he was at the time and he is still probably

he said book a room with the Trumps so I didn't know what to do I just booked a room with the Trumps he comes shows up he says yo

let's call Roy Jones and I say let's call Roy Jones he's like yo I think Roy Jones needs to be in your video and he needs to be boxing in your video so I was like alright cool I've never think Roy Jones needs to be in your video. He needs to be boxing in your video.

So I was like, all right, cool. I've never called Roy Jones before in my life. So I called him Roy Jones. This is at the Trump Hotel. So Roy Jones goes, what? Y'all ain't got to fake my fight? Because he's like, yo, hype. He's like, yo, I want to fake a fight.

Like, you know what I mean? He's like, this is how hot Roy was at the time. Roy was like, you ain't got to fake a fight. I got to fight in two weeks. Y'all got to come and film it. He was like, in my mind, I'm like,

what if he loses? Like, I don't want footage of him losing. Like, I didn't know it. And Roy was that confident. Oh,

yeah, yeah, nah. And he said, no, he was the man. Nah, he was.

We were doing, and we went. Still is. And, oh, man. That's crazy. He showed out that night. Right.

This first time HBO let cameras in that wasn't HBO cameras. And Rory fought for me. So Rory Jones, wherever you at, I owe you, brother. I owe you.

I told Indio Champ, you got to relax. I told him, you got to relax. That's my friend, Indio Champ, you got to relax. You cannot hurt Rory Jones. You better not. That's my friend Indio Champ You gotta relax You cannot hurt Roy Jones You better not

You better not Indio I'm just playing You better not though But big up Roy Jones man I love hip hop man Yeah man hip hop Hip hop has been good to us We've obviously

It's been great to me Yeah man Like even in talking Quite honestly since we Talking about it, even with Tommy Boy, man, yo, Monica Lynch, man, she held us down over there.

Yeah. She was a shining light over there. Yeah. And there's a lot of other great people over there that did right by us, you know what I'm saying? Like, honestly,

like, even Tom was, once the business was done, he had some dope ideas. You know what I'm saying? You know? Tom Silverman, like, as of now, like, he had some dope ideas. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know. Tom Silverman. Like, as of now? No, not as of now.

Oh. Back then. You're talking about back then. Back then, yeah. You know? Like, there was a lot of great times, you know? We just grew up, man. And we just grew up and was like, yo, man, this is what it is.

This is unfair. Mind you, we had already been fighting to get what we need to get. He got hold of it he got everything back we obviously all know that it can be said that tom got everything back to just flip it right he got his he sold it yeah yeah no he lost it please tell us about this i'm just trying to say like yeah i lost yeah i was gonna hold that. No, please, no. I need to know what was lost. Come on, we need to completely understand everything. Tom had lost the label.

Because I didn't want to make it feel like I was going to be talking bad about him. I don't know about no bangers. I'm just trying to say that. He lost the catalog to Warner Brothers. Yeah, he had lost the catalog to Warner Brothers. Based on what he owed. Because he had owed money to them, and he had to pay it back a certain amount of time. It came out that he didn't pay it back in a certain amount of time, so Warner Brothers took the label.

So that's why we, as Daylog... And it's in the middle of us having bionics out around the time and all of that. Holy shit, yeah. My only gripe with him, man,

is that he wasn't the one to come sit us down and tell us this transition that was happening. Yeah, he actually resigned. Like when it went to Warner, you mean? Yeah.

Well, before it was about to go. Wait, wait, wait. Say that again? I'm sorry. Before whatever went down, we actually resigned. Once we was doing these triple albums, we were finished. We actually was resigning with him. But unfortunately, finding out that when he lost the label,

when we found out that okay so the label's going to go to warner we're not going to be in the we a system any any label whether it's electro can grab daylaw grab house of pain or whatever and that's what started happening sylvia roan wanted us on electro we was going was going to Elektra. She wanted Timbaland to do the whole album. We was like, we don't want that. Right, right. We don't mind a few tracks. We just don't want them to do the whole album.

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Go down Y'all don't gotta come here So we didn't wind up going there Then it looked like Atlantic Wanted us to go over there So we wind up just telling Warner Like yo we just want out Right

They was cool They let us go We just want to just be able To go out and do our own thing Right So I mean You know it's just Being young And even being older.

Sometimes you just don't know what's going on in the business side of things because it's not for you to know. Even when. From their standpoint. You know what I'm saying? Their intentions. And once you get hold of learning your contracts and you're into having a family and personal life, you still end up making some decisions that you feel you need to protect your foundation. Your legacy.

It's a certain sacrifices you're making because of this other two people in the group, let alone the family you just built. You know what I'm saying? And at the time, for me, I felt like, yeah, we're making certain compromises and sacrifices just to keep this thing we built going. You know, and being a part of this whole thing called hip-hop that actually feeds our families, man. You know what I mean? Right.

You know? So, but yeah, times changed. Things moved along. He lost the catalog. We figured out how to still keep going. Wow. And that's still like in learning the business from the time where you feel like you stuck up until that moment. You learn a lot, man.

You know you can't fault a person for learning so much to know where they can figure out now how to strategize where they got their bargaining power. Let me ask you because when he lost the catalog. And got it back. It went to Warner. Did he get it back? He got it back. He got it back years later. Years later?

Yeah. And what he paid for it? I don't know how he got it back. Because even when Warner's had it, we were trying to get it back. That's what I was trying to do. We weren't even trying to get it. We were just trying to get them to put it up. Yeah, for sale.

So no one was still lacking knowledge in business, just wanting the catalog up and maybe... Wow. Yeah. Wait, when you say up for sale or up for streaming? Up for sale on the streams. Because you remember, like, download era, all that was... Okay, you mean for streamings, for streaming, right.

Yeah, we missed the download. So you could get the royalties off of that. Yeah. So even at that point, Rhino, Warner was allowing Rhino to work our stuff. We did the live from Tramp's album, whatever. But then when, wait a minute, this infraction, as Mace would say, is coming in. You didn't clear potholes in my lawn.

You didn't clear this sample. So that's when one of us Shelved everything So we was trying to work it out with them At one point, Leroy Cohen was over there Leroy was our ex-manager We was managed by Rush Management Which was Russell Simmons and Leroy

He tried to work it out But then at one point And then Leroy ended up leaving He ended up leaving And then new people come in So it was all that type of stuff going on, man. It was just a long period of us trying to put it up. We had, I don't really want to say their names,

but we had like a streaming company at one point was like, yo, we'll pay for everything. We'll fix everything. Allow us to fix everything. We'll pay for everything. We told Warner, it's like, yo, this streaming company will pay for everything, fix everything. They still wouldn't bite. At that point, I felt like somebody was waiting for him to get it together to get it back.

Yeah, and once later, it was for him. He came, reached out to us. He had got it. He got everything back. But what I'm just trying to say, in hindsight, he was getting everything back just to flip it. Right. Just to sell it.

It wasn't like he didn't care about the music. Who knows? Who knows? Because honestly, when he was trying to get us to do it, it seemed like he was looking to put it all out. He wanted to put it all out. He wanted to put it all out. He sent everybody these generic emails that kind of reverted back to contracts

that were like 88, 89 that we weren't even doing with him in 2000. You know what I mean? Wow. It was, yeah, y'all seen it all. We posted it all. Yeah, man. You know, it was interesting.

But it was him. Like I said, man. Do you guys think it was all worth it? Was what? Was it all worth it? All of it. It definitely was worth it. It was worth it.

He learned so much. I thank God for real, dog. This is an extreme blessing. This is like, don't happen in a million years. I know what we went through even with each other. Where we almost caved

into that fucking shit, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's truly a blessing from God and I'm going to give it all of grace to God, for real. Straight up. I think we can make this noise to God. Yeah, yeah. Nah, man, I I'm gonna be honest man Like

It's a beautiful It's a beautiful And it's not the ending I don't wanna say This is the ending Because I feel like you guys Got a whole nother legacy

That can take you to God Yeah dog And the thing about it is It's not like we playing football. It's not like we playing boxing. We can do this shit for the rest of our life. You can keep going.

Yeah. So I would love to hear that new De La album, bro. I would really love to hear that. How about being a part of it? Come on, send me a joint, bro. Send me a joint. I'll come out of the time,

remember y'all. I got you. I got you. Hey, that's what I'm talking about. You're good. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. Hey, that's what I'm talking about. You're good. That's how it happens, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, man, because y'all truly deserve it, man.

Like, I can't see anybody deserve it more than you guys. Like, you know what I mean? You guys have been loyal to hip hop. You gave us your whole life. Like, I don't remember not hearing the De La Soul track. Like, I don't remember not hearing a De La Soul track. Like, I don't remember not hearing one. So what y'all did, what y'all contributed is warranted. It's a one that you know that it's noticed.

You guys are really one of the greatest groups of all time. And the fact that you got your rights back really, really is a beautiful story, man. It really, truly is because you guys deserve it. And it's a beacon to everybody. Yeah. You guys deserve that. Thank you, bro.

I appreciate that. I'm happy for y'all, man. I'm happy for y'all. Happy for your family. I wish, you know, God bless Dave. Got to see, you know, more of it. And, man. Man. Man, man.

Wanted to show y'all that love, man. Thank you, bro. Thank you, man. Thank you, Dave. Love it. All right. You got more? Shit, I got a couple more notes.

Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, shit. Yeah, I'm here. Let's go. Brett Barrett. You're fucking around. Yo, but-

Hold up, hold up. How much of, for a new De La project, how much of Dave's vocals would be involved in it? I mean, there's a bunch of stuff. I've been trying to get everything from his crib. There's stuff there, but I'm not pushing anything. If it don't work, it don't work. I mean, sometimes we got to realize the reason why certain things were never put to light because they

they weren't of the quality of what the person wanted right i really do feel that people sometimes need to realize that um there's a lot of great producers a lot of great mcs who we've lost and a lot of times People just start Bastardizing their shit Just throwing it up Putting this out And sometimes Some of that shit Wasn't meant to come out

For a reason So I mean It's the same with Dave's vocals There's a bunch of stuff That I know he would just do When he felt the ghost And wrote

And if it works It works If it don't It don't man You know what I'm saying We ain't gonna force anything You know what I'm saying Yeah I respect that Does You don't have to answer If it don't, it don't, man. You know what I'm saying? We ain't going to force anything. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I respect that.

You don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but moving on, De La as a group, as a brand, does his family, are they a part of that? Yeah, definitely for sure. Definitely for sure. Yep. Without question. Yeah.

Because I know that gets complicated with people and it creates all kinds of weirdness. I mean, it's crazy because I can say it. We literally had put together the contracts to make sure that was right four days before this nigga left. Wow. Wow.

Literally. And sometimes I see Havoc, right? Havoc will go out and he'll call it Mobb Deep, but he'll be DJ LES. He'll be Rappanoid. Did y'all still say De La Soul? It's De La, man. At the end of the day, man, I just know a lot of our brothers, they miss him. So, like, when Mos comes up and like, yo, man, I'm down to rock.

He rock. You know, Thor hit me like Black Thor. Like, yo, man, I'm standing in your service, whatever you need. Dave's rhyme. You know what I'm saying? Mos got an alien brain. He knows everybody's rhyme. He knows your rhymes.

You know what I'm saying? Kuali always came out and represented always. So that aspect is there. I call it the super friends when we get together because everybody deliver their spirit, man. And they make it daylight for them. And that's a testament to the legacy.

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Show business, AG, Buck Wild. Show business, AG, OC. Well, Slim Joe now. That nigga skinny than everybody here. That would be it. him Yeah I want the whole

The big L stories Yes Oh man Yeah I saw him Sitting at the White House I was like yo You need to be sitting At this table

You seen Kamala Looking at him I said look at my boy Fat Joe Got the Vice President Looking at him Yeah I liked it That shit

Hell yeah I ain't never getting Invited to the White House Ever Hip hop I don't think I invited to the White House, ever. Hip hop. I don't think I'm ever going to get invited, neither. I think my invite is revoked.

You never know. We might do drink champs there one day. Drink champ. You never know. You never know. Weird things have happened in this world.

Trump got elected. I've been very, because I've been very critical on Kamala and that Sleepy Joe. You can just stay off the politics. I don't really like Sleepy Joe like that. Leave him, Joe.

Leave him alone, man. Sleepy Joe. Hey, man. It was awful. Just keep us out of World War III, buddy. Kiss Cafe. He better get some Kiss Cafe in his life. He's a colada.

Sleepy Joe. Sleepy Joe. Against that Sleepy Joe. I ain't going to lie. He's sleeping. This is how you know when a dude is kind of fucked up. When you start appreciating Trump, you're like, man, I kind of miss Trump.

At least he came outside. That's what happened with Bush. We all started missing Bush at one time. Yeah, we started. Yeah, Bush was so bad. Bush was so bad. We're like, damn. It's something to say that we can't find no younger people in this that want to be in the politics.

But let's just be clear. We can't inject something new into the political world. Didn't even take a mugshot. Who? He got arrested without a mugshot. Mugshot, word up. He told them, if y'all give me my mugshot, I'm making money off of it. So they wouldn't take his shit.

Nah, that's not what he said, bro. Yes. Yes. He said that. I read that, yeah. I can believe that. Yeah, that's why he didn't have a mugshot I gotta

I gotta I'm gonna make money Off this shit He told them Nah Give me my He said I want my mugshot Nah

And they said you know what They did a mugshot You're not gonna make a mockery Where's the mugshot No mugshot Where's the mugshot It's there somewhere That nigga ain't get

Fingerprinted nothing That's the gangsterest shit ever. He got processed. Yeah, he got processed. He got processed. He had to get fingerprinted and he had to get a mugshot. I think he got fingerprinted. I don't think he got fingerprinted.

I don't think he got none of that. I think mugshot don't exist. That mugshot don't exist, bro. You would see it. Mike Tyson has a mugshot. Everybody has a mugshot. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson got a mugshot.

They might have given him some presidential, like, we ain't going to put your shit out. Yes, because he threatened him some presidential like, we're going to put your shit out. Yes, because he threatened him. He said, I'm going to make money over this. I'm going to take this picture and I'm going to bootleg it. He said he's going to go to Canal Street. He's going to go to Canal Street with the American. He's going to bootleg his own shit.

He's going to put out a mixtape. He's going to put out a mixtape. Trump mixtape. Machiavelli 3. Yo. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. He started making me like him. Man, you been liking him, man.

I did, kind of. A little, a little. I didn't like the racist shit. I didn't like the going at. I don't like anybody racist. But there's certain shit that I do. A lot of my friends was rich when Trump was in office.

Oh, man. I knew no bum niggas when Trump was in office. Biden, there's a couple of bum niggas back outside. Stay outside, man. I'm sorry.

Look at that. Leave Sleepy Joe alone. Sleepy Joe. I'm sorry. I apologize. We don't do politics. But they ain't inviting us To the White House

Oh no Y'all got invited To the White House Obama Yeah we did the Obama Leaving party That was amazing Yeah that was dope

That was dope That was hard Yeah that was hard You got to meet Michelle Yeah Both of them Yeah both of them Took some flicks

With them in the legs Yeah They seem like they mad cool They mad cool Yeah he dapped me up Everything Wait He dapped all three of us

Yeah Dap y'all up Yeah Like a nigga dap Like a nigga dap They suggested the music Real shit So like

You know We wound up doing business Because Michelle Obama Wanted to hear the business You know what I'm saying So We doing the rhyme Like I almost messed up

Cause I'm looking And she know the words. I was like, yo, this is crazy. That's history right there. That's dope. That is definitely history. That's really dope. Really dope.

We ain't never getting invited to the White House. You never know, man. You never know. Nah. Trump, if you keep shouting him out, he might be like, yo, let's do drink chance in the White House. I ain't going to lie to you. Let me stop.

Because you never know, man. Our crazy coach, he might put him back in the White House. I ain't going to lie to you. Let me stop. You never know, man. In our crazy country, Mike put him back in the White House. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit. Yo, man, hit that hookah. Hit that hookah. Oh, shit.

Hit that hookah. You hit that hookah, Diego? What is that shit? That's marijuana. That's marijuana hookah. Oh, man. And this whole time you've been sitting there and it's got a warm-up?

What the fuck? What kind of warm-up am I having to do? Ikea hookah or some shit. That shit look real modern. That shit is... Yeah, yeah. It's marijuana. It's marijuana.

It's marijuana hookah. That shit got AI. Yeah, it looks like it. It's pretty good. Talk about AI. What do y'all think about the vocal shit? Did y'all hear Biggie's verse over Mobb Deep? Biggie, Mobb Deep joint.

But no, but now the new business model is licensing your voice so that they can use it because they're going to be using it anyways. Really? Yeah. I didn't hear that. People are making deals that every time it gets used, they get 50% of the record or some royalty rate off of their voice.

I don't know. That's dangerous. Super dangerous. But what other choice? It starts to get weird now. Yeah, yeah. I heard Biggie rapping Prodigy's verse.

Yeah. I heard Biggie doing Eazy-E records. Yeah. I saw Michael Jackson doing... Oh, yeah. The Snoop Dogg, the Sea Murder joint. Yeah, I saw Michael Jackson doing the Snoop Dogg

C-Murder joint. Yeah, the C-Murder joint. This is what my niggas have down. Michael Jackson? That shit is wild. I got to play it big. I got to play it big. It's scary.

Michael Jackson doing the C-Murder vocal. I got to hear that. It's scary. Michael Jackson doing this. Michael Jackson doing sea murder vocals. It's Michael Jackson. Nah. It's Michael Jackson. That shit is so crazy.

He said, hee hee. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. I heard the bingy shit. I heard the hove shit. Yeah. So where does this take us?

Where does this AI shit create an art, like literal art? The bad side is... Every time I smoke one and think about it, it got my shit going. They can fake confessions.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, there's a whole other side. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. They can fake phone calls. Yeah.

Line you right up. Yeah. They can call your kids and be like, Daddy, open the door. Or your kid call you for ransom. They could call your kids And be like Daddy open the door Or your kid call you Like for ransom They just did that

They showed how They're doing something Where Older people Like Their children Are calling them Like yo mom

I got in trouble Send money But it's like Yeah it's an AI Faking shit Yeah it's So it's not being used for anything of use, man. Yo, by the way, I noticed y'all ate that whole cake.

Y'all ain't offer us nothing over it. That shit is gone. Yo, fuck, yo. Yo, that was the ultimate fat boy shit right there. That ain't offer none of us at the table. Not even one piece. Wow. We like cake too, motherfucker.

Nah. I'm playing, man. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. Yeah, man. Yeah, that was funny as hell. Man.

I mean, just even now, I feel like even on some real hip hop shit, that AR shit could be lazy. Like, you could turn around and be like, damn, I got eight records to write to. You can get this AR shit to write for you. You know what I'm saying? That shit. Where it can write for you? I'm just saying eight records to write to. You can get this shit to write for you. You know what I'm saying? That shit is scary. Wait, it can write for you? I'm just saying.

It can write scripts. It can write a book. Yeah. It can write program shit. It can do all kinds of shit. Check it out. I've seen the Biggieverse. That shit hurt me.

It do other shit, though. No, that's the smallest thing. That's why I like it. It's kind of dangerous because it clones people's voices. That's what it is. To where it can make up a whole fucking crime scene, if anything. Wow. Wow, I didn't look at it like that.

I heard you just say that. I didn't look at it like that. Holy moly, Guacalung. Yeah, it's... Hello, I got that point. Between the AI and the deep fake. Holding somebody for ransom Yeah

Right Cloning somebody's voice Saying man they got me Hold on They did that What is that? Y'all ever met Bill Cosby? Never

Nah Never met him Nah never Um We would just You know Most Obviously work with him

Yassin Yassin Bey Most Def But Most Def worked with Bill Yassin Yassin Bey Most Def But Most Def worked with Bill Cosby Acting wise Yeah Acting wise

He did the Cosby Mysteries Most was like his sidekick Holy shit Yeah Most been acting Yeah his acting Resume is wild man Yeah

Most I believed him as a doctor I was gonna go see him Yeah You ain't see him in the HBO shit He was a doctor Yeah Yeah I believed him as a doctor. I was going to go see him. You didn't see him in the HBO shit? He was a doctor? Yeah. I believed him.

The first black heart surgeon. Yeah, the first black heart surgeon. I believed him. I thought it was him. But earlier I said that, I asked about African Mambada, right? Yeah. And African Mambada

had some very serious allegations against him. And I could see certain people hold him down. And I can also see certain people who just not want to talk about it, period. What is that type of stance for all three of y'all brothers? Because this man did do

a lot of great things for hip-hop, but those allegations are kind of crazy. So what do you guys think? I toured with Bam. a lot of great things for hip-hop, but those allegations are kind of crazy. Yeah. So what do you guys think? I toured with Bam. I never experienced no kind of vibe like that whatsoever. You know, for the most part, what still holds dear to me is what I learned, you know,

from watching as a kid. So I still hold them in high regard of all the tenements of peace, unity, love, and having fun. You know what I mean? And everything we actually, love, and having fun, you know what I mean? And everything we actually adopted from the Zulu Nation, you know? And so I don't know any of that other stuff. And yeah, the shit is disturbing, you know?

Yes. I am concerned for him, his family, and for the victims, you know what I'm saying? I respect that. You know? Yeah. That's where it's at. What he said. Yes. I respect that. You know? Yeah. That's where it's at. What he said. Yes, I respect that.

It's a touchy situation because, you know, it's just a touchy situation. I spoke about it. It really is, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, over this entertainment,

we all still real people, man. And, you know, people live lives and some you know i i remember a quote from hillary clinton every family has their dysfunctions you know what i'm saying yeah the model yeah let's pick big up Hillary Clinton. That was hard. Only on Drink Chat. Only on Hillary Clinton. We just dissed Sleepy Joe. We're big enough to do it. I'm just saying this is real shit, you know?

Man. You know, I had a great time rocking with her. What is going on? I'm not going to hang with her. I'm going to offer Baker. This is the fourth quarter of Drink Chat. What was the fourth quarter? You know what I'm not going to hand him an offer. Baker. This is the fourth quarter. Drink chance. Welcome to the fourth quarter. You know what I'm saying?

Right. So. Yeah. Right. Because we received, you know. I leave it alone. Let's move on. Off.

Off. Off. All right now. My shit. You don't want to put the rubber on there? You just going. Just going raw metal. You just going raw metal? You just went raw metal?

All right, I see you. I see you. I see you. So y'all going to shoot the video now, right? Yeah. Yes, I got you. Let's let them shoot the video. I got you.

Hold on. I got like one more on there. I remember my shit. But after these fucking drinks. I'll get through it. I know I know it. We spoke about. I don't know. We spoke about me, myself,

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We thought it was a great album. Tommy Boy was like, they loved it. They loved everything. They loved the fact that we could pull from this song called I Know and put, you know,

Steely Dan in it. They loved how we could put from this song Say No Go and take all the notes but also match. Sorry to cut you, but they loved all of that without them wanting to

try to look into clearing the sample. They, what? Yeah. I'm just saying, they appreciated the sample. They appreciated it. They loved all of that without them wanting to try to look into clearing the samples. Yeah. I'm just saying, they appreciated the samples. They appreciated it. They loved it all, but then they came to us like, yo, we need something to jump off with. We need something that's going to be the megaphone to bring people to the party.

They said they needed a single. He always wanted to do something off Mase. He wanted to do something off the Knee Deep record. Funkadelic record. I just felt like it was such a record that was so amazing, us touching that. What are we going to be able to do to that? Right.

So when him and paul or mainly may start putting this shit together dave was just on some clown shit with it he was like yo man fuck it so yo we're gonna um we're gonna take this song from jungle brothers called black is black we're gonna mimic their rhyme style so that are you drinking all these drinks? I'm not sure. I don't know. Yeah, I ain't drinking them. So it was, I can drink, dog. I get busy. I can see you hanging out here. I see you. And he is not really saying that.

I get busy. I'm watching this shit. The Black is Black record on Jungle Brothers, straight out the Jungle album, was like, in America today. So we just took that rhyme style. Mirror, mirror on the wall. Wow.

So he was like, fuck it. We just did something so easy. Wrote those rhymes real quick. Here. And God was like, yeah, nigga. We're going to make this your biggest shit ever. Right. So, you know.

So basically, this was your throwaway. It was your throwaway. And Q-Tip was on the song, Black is Black. Yeah. So that's where he comes in, in his little part, where Q-Tip was on the song Black is Black. Black, yeah. So that's where he comes in in his little part where Q-Tip say Black is Black.

Yeah, we just took it from Black is Black. We just took that rhyme style from Jungle Brothers songs. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. And it was just a throw away. There was no thought

put into that. And it wasn't even supposed to be on the album. No, they wanted to, it was just us being songs on bullshit. Like, yeah, like, yo, yeah. But I'm saying, you had already turned in the album. No. They wanted to. It was just us being songs on bullshit. Like, yeah, like, yo, here. But I'm saying you had already turned in the album.

Or you gave them basically the album. They heard everything we had did. And they needed a single. So we was like, all right. And aesthetically. And it was more so at that time for black radio. Right. Irving. Yeah. Did they now call Irving? No, it was called black radio. It was for black radio. Right. Urban.

Yeah. Now called Urban. No, it was called black radio. It was called black radio back then. Oh, shit. Not Urban. No. It was straight up.

We even got a billboard thing that says black music. Yeah, yeah. I'm telling you. Yeah. So he's like, all right. I ain't got that black. I want black radio music. Black.

Do what? That's fine. Yeah, he I'm on the black radio Music black That's fine Change urban later Urban later That's more politically correct Urban So that was like Pretty much the second To last song

That was done Wow Yeah The last song was Living in a full time era Yeah Wow And then

Aesthetically the look That was the video And you guys That was always there Like you guys, that was always there. Like you guys already had thought that through? There was no thought to it. I'm being honest, man. Like in us giving a throwaway, it had us giving who we were as people and how we was caring about shit.

Right. So once we saw that it was, and it was crazy. I remember when the album came out and that shit came out. And I remember Q-Tip was already DJing. And I remember him was like, yo, man. Yo, Merce, this shit is going. And I remember the Mace did something. Mace was like, yo, this shit is, yo, yo, I think this shit is about to go.

Like, this Be Myself or Not shit is about to be big. I was like, all right. So it just kind of like, the visuals just kind of was easy to fall into. You know what I'm saying? Because I always say that, man. It's like, I'm being honest.

And Mace is right here with me. Like, niggas wasn't no punk niggas. Like, that video was a video. Like, we weren't those type of dudes. We came from a place where, yo, you could be different But niggas knew you had hands Right right

You know you could sell drugs But you could be into The coolest shit ever Or the The You know the punk rock shit Who knows Like that's one thing

About Long Island Like we hung out with The white kids Who did the keg parties And we brought them To our parties You know so We was all around each other

Keg parties was rocking Yeah I like keg parties Yeah So that I always wanted to be The dude upside down I never had You know, so we was all around each other. Yeah, I like cake parties. I used to always want to be the dude upside down. You never pulled it off? Yeah, I don't want white people. I don't want white people.

So, you know, that's what it was. I mean, like, it did work. It just kind of meshed into this thing. Like, yeah, man, we can make this about individualism and, you know, being confident in who you are as a person. You know, but we were like the dudes who loved the most hardest shit ever. We, you know, we could sing you any Coogee rap record. When this dude was sitting here putting out his first joints, we knew all them joints, like Strong City joints.

Like, we loved hip-hop, you know what I'm saying? But we had no problem with expressing ourselves the way we chose to express ourselves because that's that's something that's very unique about y'all as well is y'all very creative when it comes to them videos like i don't think not one of y'all videos looked at like another one of y'all videos let me tell you this i can know i'm talking from my standpoint Okay I was the dude who Wanted simple videos I want like

Yo there wasn't one EPMD video that missed Like I'm being honest I think that every De La Video was Me

Right This is me saying Like That's your preference Yeah like I just thought like We missed it Like

Maybe ego tripping But Nah Just me being honest saying like that's your preference yeah like i just thought like we missed it like maybe ego tripping but no just me being honest every video like like when tribe would do videos i'd be like oh shit these niggas nailed it now that's how i feel about y'all but that's how i feel about y'all I'm like y'all know this Every time The thing with us The thing with us Is that the director Would be so tired Of doing The NWA videos With all the bitches

And da da da Right That when Daylock came up They felt they could be More creative with you guys They'd be too creative Right right And we'd be like

Aw man come on man Yeah that's how you felt bro Yeah for real Holy shit For real dog For real dog For real like That break it down video

It was like What the fuck is this What video you said The break it down video Where we I love I love that show That's in my notes

Yo It was just What the fuck Break it down Yo But you know it's funny The hip hop needed that You probably like

I don't need that But hip hop needed that This is crazy You didn't even say crazy i'm being honest like i'll hit every video like you and buster rhymes i always thought that you guys buster had incredible like busters like you guys and buster to me had all the dopest videos and to hear you say that that's because you're a perfectionist though no i mean oh yeah who was there who got it there and like i said i mean i would and i hope i don't want to disrespect any of the directors i mean like when we did ring ring ring

like yeah like but i'm just trying to say like i just felt like it didn't always have to be so it didn't have to always be so creative you know know what I'm saying? You didn't want all the bells and whistles. It just kind of could just be, I don't know if I said a certain verse, the visual could match it. You had the input. We had, but I don't know, man. You kind of really didn't care as much. Or did you just like the more simplified, like one of my favorite videos is the first Protect Your Neck video. It was just that, I think it was black white, and it was just raw and gritty.

That was ill. Yeah. I think at that time, being young, willing to take someone's lead and that expertise of what they do and just seeing what they come with. A lot of times, if we didn't like shit, we didn't say it. That would be the dangerous part. we didn't say it you know that would be the dangerous part we wouldn't say it

you know so and by no means I'm trying to say I hated our videos but I just felt like I never really walked away a lot of times

feeling like yo we nailed that shit and what directors you guys work with Diane Martell shit I can't even fucking Dave Mays

Mark Romantic did Ring Ring Ring. Y'all got the... I mean, we... They got A-list directors. No, we did. You know, Say No Go, all that shit, but... And they probably went all out for you guys,

and that's what you're not liking. I mean, Buddy was something because it was just a vibe. I mean, that was his family, and we just had fun shooting Buddy. You know what I'm saying? But... I don't know, man. So what is your favorite video that you ever filmed?

Wow. For me, it would be Ooh. I would have to agree. Yeah. I would have to agree with you. Ooh is dope. The Wizard of Oz video. It looked like you guys were having fun on that one.

We had a lot of fun. And that's one thing about us as a group, too. We was always willing and had no problem with having people showcase themselves not worrying about us because that was one thing that even people at tommy boy was saying it was like yo you know that this video is showcasing red man and rod digger like chapelle like you know because y'all faces is covered so your fans or these new fans may not really see y'all but we didn't care we played into the artistic value of it yeah that was us always you know what i'm saying but sally had a one-track mind the way this nigga sat here did his video like i was like can we do a fucking video like writing projects yo like we rarely did shit like that.

You know what I'm saying? Ever. Piles of my lung. Yeah. Close. Fucking I know video and bubbles floating around. It was like, all right, nigga. And that's what's crazy is I'm sitting around thinking y'all being the most creative.

And to me, I'm still standing by that. I'm not letting you change your mind. Let's be honest. I think y'all videos was hard hard I would look at y'all videos and be like I want a video like that I want to be creative like that so the fact that you're sitting there but I know you're a perfectionist I could I could tell yeah like I said it was just that the the directors was just so happy to do something with us because they felt like this could be something that can get me away from

What I'm normally doing Being stereotyped Yeah You know what I'm saying Stakes as I was a dope video That was a dope video That was a dope video It was all good

It was dope And we was supposed to Actually with Nick Queston We was supposed to do the business I don't know what happened We just never Pick up my boy Nick Queston You know Nick Queston

Was the guy That was following around The dudes that Crushed the White House That crashed the White House Oh shit He was the guy that was following around the dudes that crushed the White House? That crashed the White House? Oh, shit. He filmed it? Yes. He went undercover. Wow.

And filmed it. Here's a whole documentary that's about to drop of him filming the guys who stormed the White House. Oh, shit. Holy shit. He's a maniac. That's ill. I can believe it because the joint on Stakes is High where the country dudes like rap,

something, something. This is a bunch of niggas talking. That was something he had filmed. Oh, shit. It's great. Nick always go undercover with some shit. Nick did my first two videos. He did my L.A. L.A.

and he did T.O.N.Y. Nick Creston. So wherever you got Nick Creston, I learned with love for you, man. But the fact that he went in undercover for us as a people, like he's hip hop. Like Nick is not racist at all.

So he had to go and front like a Nazi. Right. He had to act like a Nazi to get down with them. He filmed the whole shit. He has the whole shit. This shit is amazing. I didn't see it,

obviously yet. But his personal feelings to the side. Like he put his personal feelings to the side. He filmed whole shit. This shit is amazing. I didn't see it, obviously, yet. But his personal feelings to the side. Like, he put his personal feelings to the side. He filmed this shit. And so he has this whole documentary coming out. So nigga's crazy. That's dope. But by the way, I appreciate that.

I mean, I appreciate. I always say that to my friend. He's over there. If you have white privilege, use your white privilege. Oh, yeah. Why not? For your friends. For your friends. For your friends. If you have it, use it white privilege Oh yeah Why not For your friends For your friends

For your friends If you have it Use it You know what I'm saying The same way I'm going to use My black hip hop privilege For you Yeah

And Nick Weston He actually did that That's dope To me he paid back hip hop Everything that Hip hop has done for him For him going undercover That's dope

And Filming the Magna Crew By the way Which I want to see I definitely want to see that That's dope for him going undercover and filming the Magna crew. By the way, which I want to see. I definitely want to see that. But let me just tell y'all, man, I really appreciate you brothers taking the time out to come see us.

To come chop it up with us. B, we appreciate y'all having us. Yeah, man. Yes, man. I love the show, man. It's your time to give you your flowers And it really is Because hip hop

Has saved my life Literally I had six months when I came home from jail I had six months to get a job And if I didn't get a job I would have went right back to jail And you know what job I got Is hip hop.

That's dope. Yo, man. That's dope. I literally went to McDonald's and they told me no. Yo, but. I would have worked at McDonald's. I was willing to work at McDonald's. That's dope, man.

And they told me no, you're a felon. It's beautiful. I mean, like, Premier had told me something like, a felon It was beautiful I mean like Premier had told me Something like Kind of similar with Malachi You know like From Groupon

From Groupon Yeah You know and Hip hop It was just like The judge was like Yo he can go away And they was really

Speaking on behalf of him And having them say like Yo so why don't you Have him do what y'all doing You know what I'm saying Like Wow It's just dope How hip hop has Placed people In the fabric Them say like Yo so why don't you Have him do what y'all doing You know what I'm saying Like Wow It's just dope

How hip hop has Placed people In the fabric of a culture You know And saved their lives with it You know what I'm saying That's everything man Look how many countries

You was naming Just now Like People from the Bronx Long Island You know Queens They supposed to be naming

Warsaw, Poland And Düsseldorf, Germany, and shit like that. Yes, we are. You know what? Now we are. Yes. Yes, we are. Because this is a beautiful thing. It really is, man.

I really wanted to give y'all your flowers. I found out too late that Diamond D was coming here because we would have had you give your flowers. But we want to give you your flowers with DITC. With everybody, please. We would love. Y'all put it together. Please. I want to give you your flowers with DITC. With everybody, please. We would love. Y'all put it together, please. I want to give Showbiz AG a flower so bad.

We'll give you your flowers so bad because this is truly what me and EFN want to do is in this game, after you have 10 years, they say that you're washed up. And this is only hip hop.

Yeah. They don't do that in Rolling Stones. They don't do that in rock and roll. They don't, right. They say that you're washed up. Yeah. And this is only hip-hop. Yeah. They don't do that in Rolling Stones. They don't do that in rock and roll. They don't. They say that you're seasoned. Yeah. When you have 10 years or 15 years or 20 years or more. Yeah.

So I want to stop this in hip-hop. That's the reason why we created this show is we want people that is seasoned as veterans. Yeah. To have their flowers. You stopped it. To have that. You stopped it already. Yes.

Thank you. Thank you. You have stopped it already. Yes, thank you. Thank you. You have stopped it already. Thank you, man. Yeah, because because because you truly

you guys truly really everyone who has 15 years or more in this game we have to salute you brothers.

Like we have to like I love the fact that Chuck D is what is it his thing now called? Hip Hop Alliance? Hip Hop Alliance, where he's actually fighting for us to get medical rights. Damn, man. Curtis Blow, yeah.

Right. Curtis Blow. I fucking love that. I want to support it so much. I want to donate. I want to do whatever. Likewise. Because hip hop has to be taken care of.

We have to take care of each other otherwise you know it's kind of like it's kind of like whatever like you know i mean because um it's just like i say with my what what fat joe me and fat joe haven't seen each other like six months he's been busy i've been busy doesn't i don't have to i don't have to speak to him all the time i don't have my love for him is always there yeah that's the same thing what we have to do with hip-hop is like sometimes we we can't participate but the love has to always be there yeah and with you guys i seen that like i told you i literally tears came out my eyes seeing y'all celebrate seeing y'all count that down I was like yo I swear to God

I was like I wanted to be there so bad I was like oh shit like I was like yo I really wanted to rewind

we talked about it right after we were both like oh that was amazing I wish I would've if I would've knew an hour ahead I would've I don't know how

I would've got there but I wanted to celebrate that moment but this moment is also just as important because I wanted to give y'all flowers to y to your face and tell y'all how important y'all are to hip hop, how much that y'all contributed, and how much we appreciate it. Thank you, bro. Yo, man, for real, man.

Y'all brother. Thank you, bro. And you know what's crazy? You know what's crazy? I'm going to be honest, and I'm sorry to be. Dave is here right now. Without question. I really want me

to be able to feel him here. Absolutely. I feel him laughing at me. I feel him cracking jokes on me. I feel him here. And I'm saying like he said it when he was here. He love you, dog.

Yeah. I remember us doing this thing with you and Tommy Boy and we was like, he was like, yo, dog, this nigga got something. I remember us doing This thing with you And Tommy boy And we was like He was like yo dog This nigga got something He's good at this shit

I'm being honest I feel him here in this room I don't mean to be spiritual Like crazy But I really do Like when my father passed away I became spiritual And I started to realize

that maybe i didn't lose him i lost him in the physical form but i didn't lose him and it'd be times i just be feeling them and i'm telling you yeah dave is in this room right now without question we we we love you uh we miss you brother brother. We're going to hold you down. Word. We honor you, man. De La Soul, man, forever, man. That is forever, man. De La Soul. Thank you, man. Man, I really appreciate it.

We did a straight three hours, man. It felt like three minutes. Yeah, it felt a lot. Yeah, yeah, because I was so excited. And you know what? Again, hip-hop has to celebrate hip hop. Another coach is not going to celebrate us. Jazz ain't going to big us up.

Rock and roll ain't going to big us up. Heavy metal ain't going to big us up. So we don't big each other up. And tell each other how great you are Especially when you are great Appreciate you There's people that's not great And they get bigged up But y'all brothers are great

Thank you bro I want to say rest in peace Dave Thank you man Rest in peace I want to say Thank you Dave De la soul forever Yeah man I want y'all to know, you know, they lost soul forever. Yeah, man.

I want y'all to know that y'all are appreciated. We love y'all. Thank you. We're going to hold y'all down forever. Love y'all too, bro. You want to take a couple of pictures and then we do y'all, we do the video. I need y'all to sign this for me. By the way, I'm going to be honest.

You better not keep that down because I'm going to steal that. I'm going to steal that one. That one? I might steal. Y'all check out Rich Medina's vinyl box. Yeah, yeah. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production in association with Interval Presents. Hosts and executive producers, NORE and DJ EFN. From Interval Presents,

executive producers Alan Coy and Jake Kleinberg. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by yours truly, DJ EFN and NORE. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. That's at Drink Champs across all platforms. At TheRealNoriega on IG. At Noriega on Twitter. Mine is at Who's Crazy on IG.

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