Drink Champs - Episode 376 w/ Jim Jones

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the one and only, Jim Jones.Jim shares his journey. Listen as he shares stories of Dipset, working with Cam’ron, Juelz Santana and many more!Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!!Make some noise for Jim Jones!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know we've been giving this tribute To loyal people To people that's you know That's bosses in their own rights For people that's, you know, that's bosses in their own rights, for people that's legendary. This man, I've seen him when he used to buy five nickels. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, I always say that. Because it's fly. It's fly. The nigga came a long way. This motherfucker is a hustler's hustler.

I've seen him film his own videos. I've seen him record himself. I've seen him, you know, take a scissor and put it on his back and go state to state worldwide doing mixtapes. This motherfucker is a man's man. He's a legend legend. And I personally want to start this interview off by giving him his flowers off Goddamn Top. Jim Jones, we started this show, we wanted to give legends legends, they props, and we're going to start it off

by giving you your actual flowers. Cheers! Snoop Dogg said it's like a Grammy, because it's coming from your people. Come on, goddamn thing. Yes, that's right. Happy birthday. Let's bring that cake out.

Let's bring that cake out. Let's bring that cake out. That's how you know hood niggas. Niggas is like, where the cake at? We supposed to be professional. You got to look crazy. So, Jones, what's going on, man? Happy birthday. Thank you, my brother. You got to look at crazy. So, Jones, what's going on, man? Happy birthday.

Thank you, my brother. I appreciate the love. Yes. I appreciate the love throughout the years. We've been doing this for quite some time now. Yes. So, let's talk about the knockout. Is that yours?

That's one of the strands I got. Do business with a company called Hot Tolerance. Probably got the best weed in the world right now. Right. They've been going hard. But this is what I got. Knockout. I got like five, six strands of it.

Different types of knockout. Shit like that. All types. I've been smoking weed for a long time. I feel good to have some good weed and do some good weed business. You know what I mean? How did you hook up with Hot Tolerance? My man Snaggs actually put that together for me. He built the bridge. Snaggs and Big Bully.

Shout out to Big Bully. Yeah, shout out to Snaggs. Big Bully always in the middle of different things so they put that play together. Bully, Dave East or Omi? Yeah, Dave East, Trey Songz, Big Bully. You know, Big Bully is official, original, diplomat member. Oh, really? When you see him with all of them, that's just a reflection of him starring with us.

Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, I've been with Big Bully since he was a teenager. Let me see that light. I met Big Bully in Miami. You know how I met Big Bully? It's crazy because he's in Miami at one of the Memorial Day weekends. You know how crazy it used to be back in the days of Memorial.

Probably it's like 99 maybe when we had the scissor. Okay. And then... What is that? This is mine. I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. Oh, yeah, you're showing off.

Okay, okay. And then I'm walking down the strip and I see Big Bully with a whole big cooler with mad scissor up in it. He's selling scissor for like $200 a bottle on the strip of Miami. I'm like, oh, now your hustle is impeccable. I took his number.

I said, let me get your number, young man. I like how you're doing. And I just kept him with me since then. Goddamn, make some noise for Bully. What have you got that just broke over to you? I just did a cool little deal. I'm into the liquor business again. Again?

At Cognac, we got champagne. All right. Got the cans of champagne also. What's the champagne? Hold on, because I'm going to bust a bottle. Ooh, sexy shit. Oh, shit. It's hot as a motherfucker, but it's sexy.

Can we just drink a cold one? Yeah, let's drink. No, we're going to drink cold. Yeah, drink cold. Give him the rose and I'm up. I'm just showing him the business that I'm into. Yeah, this is beautiful, man. And what's Jade?

Or is it Jadah? Jade. It's Jade? Jadah. Oh, it's Jadah. Jadah. Jadah. Jadah on Friday.

Jadah. Jadah on the weekend. Yeah, what's on the weekend? Put some of the Jadah on your Jadah. Is that salsa water? No, no. Champagne. Oh, champagne in a can?

Stick with me here. So check it. Because I remember before you guys. Hold on, hold on. I got to get this glasses right. I don't like how you moving. Okay, okay. I don't like how you moving.

You want me to take my bodies off? Okay, yeah. I don't like how you moving. I don't like how you moving. Yo, D.A. moving okay okay I don't call you for no free shit. I go to Vincent's Frame and support. I love you to death for that, man. That's why I fuck with you, man. So, but let me ask you, okay, I remember you, before you had the Ciserb, you was going to people and getting verses from people and you was putting together a mixtape. A mixtape, yeah.

So, is that something you're going to do with this? Like, that was the first time I ever seen liquor be promoted through a mixtape. I'm going to do the full-on marketing the same way I was doing with Scissor, but it's a little bit more better now because you got IG, you got social media. We didn't have none of that when we was doing the Scissor. Now we got access to all that, so the marketing strategy is going to be... Man, you think you're...

I come up from the era of the St. Ives era when Snoop Dogg and all of them were doing all them St. Ives commercials. The commercials we fell in love with. The commercials that made us go to the store and buy St. Niles era when Snoop Dogg and all of them was doing all them St. Niles commercials, the commercials we fell in love with, the commercials that made us go to the store and buy St. Niles. That's the whole thing that I be trying to do with the liquor that I get involved with, you know what I mean? Well, salute, man. Yo, why you ain't bring the cake yet? Who? Where?

Oh, come on, bring him the cake, man. Come on, we gon' sing that Cooper, Yano, Fairleaf and all of that, man. Come on, yeah, bring him the cake. Have Jamie bring the cake, not no niggas. Yeah, yeah, yeah Come on, yeah. Let's make them the cake. Have Jamie bring the cake. Not no niggas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Goofy got your belly. The Goofy got your belly.

The Goofy got your belly. The Goofy got your belly. Happy birthday. Yo. Happy birthday, Jim. Thank you, my brother. So what you doing this whole week? You got a whole weekend?

Yeah, we got a whole weekend. I got a party in exchange tonight because it's the birthday coming at 12 o'clock. Exchange, that's not that old Mr. Jones, right? That's on the beach. Okay. That's dream, okay. We're toasting.

Tomorrow I got an actual pop-up concert at a skate park called Skateburg. I got an actual Pop-up concert At a skate park Called Skateburg I got a bunch of people Performing Especially from the crib Shout out to Ball Greasy Shout out to Taffy

And shout out to Mellow Rags Shout out to Zoe Dollar Shout out to B Money Fat Joe hit me Melly It's a lot I'm there too Don't forget me

Nori's on the bill I was calling everybody And it all came together Then after that Do some booby trap And Sunday we got church I'm there, too. Don't forget me. Nori's on the bill. I was calling everybody. It all came together. Then after that, do some booby trap. And Sunday, we got church. We're going to live, baby. We're going to go crazy in there.

Mike Gardner. Of course, Mike Gardner. Ain't nothing like a headliner party. That's my boy, baby. Let me ask you, because there's a rumor that the first time we ever got to see Game was in a Jim Jones video. Is that absolutely true? So so game was signed. How did you how did you find out about game? Um? The homies was like, uh

Yo, you know easy you got a son he'd be rapping blood. He ain't bloody going crazy like in New York That's what he's like. I got a son bro name is games and then he came had the big easy Okay, so Members no social media and none of that. This time we thinking, oh, this is Eazy-E's son. So, I heard I had somebody find him. He's like, no, I'm not Eazy's son, but you know Eazy's the God out here. I actually had Game and his best friend full band.

I flew them from L.A. to New York. Their first trip to New York. But that video you shot was in L.A., though. That was in L.A. That was after we started having a relationship and forming a brotherhood and things like that. Then I went to Bompton to go shoot the Certified Gangsters video, which was the first video that people got a glimpse of game. And I got in, but I didn't get in any trouble. I remember Dr. Dre was— You heard Aftermath was a little heated.

I heard Dr. Dre was—... You heard Aftermath was a little heated. I heard Dr. Dre was, oh yeah, he was heated. He tried to call the office and tell Koch Records to have them take that video down or something. Something. I'm good, but still a light. I still light as quick. He said something to the effect that

he didn't want the video up very aggressively. My response was very aggressive and the video stayed up. People, very aggressively, and my response was very aggressive, and the video stayed up, and people got to see game and enjoy certified gangsters to this day. All right. Because, yo, I'm not going to lie, Jim.

You know, you're my homie, but I still had to do research, like a regular. Yo, you discovered a lot of shit. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had my hands on... You were Soulja Boy before Soulja Boy on the law. Yeah, I was Soulja Boy before Soulja Boy.

I actually was at Soulja Boy's first show in Atlanta when he was like, this kid is the phenomenon. And he came up going, whoa, Superman. I don't know what this nigga was doing. He was funny dancing. And he was like, he's the next one. He had these big ass clothes on. Shouts to that boy, man.

He's very ahead of his time. But yeah, I mean, I had my hands in a lot of people and helping a lot of people, even making them the right decisions for them to get to that successful point in their career and things like that. I was in the beginning of a lot of people's career. Shouts to Kevin Gates, man. That's one of my favorite stories

of all time. Tell us a Kevin Gates story. I believe I got a call from, was it Taz? Cash Money, I think he called. Was it Taz or one of them called me? Like, yo, Birdman trying to sign this artist. His name is Kevin Gates. He just came home from jail.

He's the biggest thing going. Birdman's trying to sign him, but we got one problem. He's not going to sign to Birdman unless he meets Jim Jones. I was like, what? They was like, yeah, man, he in the city right now. Can we bring him to you? Because Birdman needs to sign his artist. I'm like, yeah, tell him to pull up.

Kevin Gates pulled up. He still had on the khakis. Still looking like he was fresh out of jail. Got it in. I just felt his energy. Like, you knew he was one of us. Like, he came from the same places we came from and things like that. We sat in there, did like five records that night.

And after that, Cash Money got to do business with him. Wow. That's it. I never knew that. I never knew that. So, he's doing the Cash Money got to do business with him. Wow. I said, I never knew that. I never knew that. So, he's doing the Cash Money right now?

No, no. That was like when his first game, when he first came to the game, that was like one of his first situations was with Cash Money. You can look it up.

I never knew that. Can I get two of those knockout bags? Yeah, of course. This is for everybody. This is why I was on the table. This ain't a garage sale. Zeke got some flavor, too.

We outside. Hey, Boris, take this. Here, pass that to Boris. Let me see you outside your body. Hey, let me get it. Let me get it. Here, pass it off. More and more in the house.

I see you, baby. More and more in the house. That's you, right? Hot tolerance? That's you, right? Manny! That's my partner Manny right there. That's Mr. Hot T himself. Oh shit, hell yeah. I'ma take it all too.

Yo, boy. Yo, bro. Take that foul face off your face. Come on, man. Yo, Borek? Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek.

Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Yo, Borek. Take that foul face off your face. Come on, man. Come on. Get up there.

Get up there. Get up there. Strizzy. Yo, what's up, baby? How you feeling, my brother? Strong? Pretty strong. Good experience, young man.

I appreciate you being there for me, man. And they're going to give me back. I'll be there with you soon, bro. I ain't going nowhere. Keep your foot on the gas, nigga. I'm going to be waiting for you as soon as you touch back. Nigga, we're going to give me it back. I'll be there with you soon, bro. I ain't going nowhere. Keep your foot on the gas, nigga. I'm going to be waiting for you as soon as you touch back, nigga. We're going to do it different this time. You heard?

I'm focused, bro. Your brother's focused, man. I'm here. That's all you need to be is focused, nigga. I love you to death. Ain't nothing going to change. We've been down this long. I ain't going to stop now, my brother.

You heard? I know. You've always been there for me, man. I appreciate it, man. Just keep your foot on the gas, man. Until I push your teeth, man. And keep playing with your stuff. Go, go for me, man. I appreciate it, man. Just keep it full on the gas, man. Until I push your teeth, baby. Keep playing with your stuff. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Oh, man. I love you to death. I love you to death, Strobe, man. We ain't doing that no more. Nah, we coolin'. We coolin', man. Yeah, yeah. We coolin' now, too. It's cancer season, nigga you to death, Stroke, man. Nah, we coolin', we coolin', man. It's cancer season, nigga. You know what it is, nigga.

I said it's cancer season, nigga. For real. No, no, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just. Love you back, your brother right here. Yo, what's up, bro? We love you, baby. Big Stroke. Yeah, damn, nigga.

We smoking knockout all day, bro. We going to knock ourselves out today with Jimmy, man. We love you, bro. I need some food. Somebody need some food. Stroke is lit. So what were we talking about before? What were we saying?

We were talking about different... I was a soldier boy before, so we were talking about Kevin Gates. Yeah, Kevin Gates. There's a lot of stories like that like uh, what's the do this thing day and night? Can't cut it You know how he was I gotta start him no Dudes wanted to direct the video for me at the time and I was like, um shit Let me see some of the videos your directall direct. So they came to my studio, played the video they direct. The video they directed was called Day and Night with Kid Cudi. He was on the roof looking crazy and shit like that.

I'm like, I'll let y'all do the video if you'll tell this kid, give me his beat so I can do the remix. So I can remix his record. That shit was bull. So did the video, remixed the record, just put it up on the internet. Somebody ripped it off the internet from Hot 97 and they started playing it at Hot 97 and that's how Kid Cudi ended up getting this deal and they cut me off the deal because he was Sante. I forgot one of them

DJ Cassidy or A-Rex or whatever one of them dudes and shit like that. That's one of your most played records, right? That record. Yeah. That was a mistake. Me from the outside looking in

I thought He had the deal It was lit And then you jumped on it after No no no He didn't have no deal He was working in the He was working in the

Rock and roll store Under Koch Records He was a nobody He didn't He wasn't even think about a deal He just was working on his craft And doing He was working in a

Rock and roll store He always was I used to see him all the time Always wear slim jeans He worked under Koch That's the craziest craziest thing i didn't know who he was but i used to go in the store and buy these bottle cap belts all the time and he used to help me out all the rock and roll clothes and shit like that and then when they show me the video i'm like i know this kid like yeah he's working and i just did the video i mean like nothing nobody you did like right it just that was his that was the path that God had

for him. Like, you about to go on right now as soon as Jones do this record. And after that, out of here. I don't really get too many thanks and shit like that. I'm cool with it and shit like that. I'm cool with it. Another one is Meek.

I was just happy to be a part in the very beginning when Meek was trying to get his deal and things like that. With T.I.? Meek Mills? Yeah, because remember he was signed to T.I. first, right? I don't remember him being signed to T.I., but I'm going to tell you the story that I had with him. They was bringing him up to my studio in Manhattan every week. I was seeing Meek a lot.

He was trying to figure out what he was doing and shit like that. He was always coming up to New York and come to the studio. And one day we were just having a conversation and shit like that. And he was talking about, I don't even know if he remembers this. I got this all on footage, too, and shit like that. We was having a conversation. And he was telling me about being in the midst of getting a deal. And he got a lot of people offering him situations, labels and all that.

So at that time, I was kind of in the midst of my way out of the music. Like I was disgusted with it. I really didn't want to be bothered with it. I didn't know where I was at, like, you know what I mean, for myself. So I was like, in my mind, I was like, I can never try to sign a person like Meek at that time and don't have a direction for myself and things like that This is what I'm thinking internally So I was actually like so who you got on the table and things like that and I can't remember all the labels

But I do remember he was like and Rick Ross when the saw me too and this is when Rick Ross was on fire fire You said Ross on the side, right? I'm like you need to do the raw situation like go, go Ross, and you ain't going to turn back. He on fire. You going to come up. And next thing you know, he took the right. You know what I mean?

I mean, I just know the next, I had that conversation, and the next thing you know, he ended up with that deal and took off. I'm a boss. I'm a boss. I'm a boss. I'm a boss. I'm a boss.

I'm a boss. I'm a boss. I'll tell you what's crazy about Meek Mill. I'm on boss, I'm on boss, I'm on boss, I'm on boss. I'll tell you what's crazy about Meek Mill. One night, we was in Prime 112 of all places. I'm there with Fat Joe, and Fat Joe asks him, this is like when Meek was just getting to where he's supposed to be,

and Fat Joe asked him, he's like, yo, I want you to do a record with my new artist. And he looked Fat Joe in his face and he said, no. He said, I'll do a record with my new artist. And he looked Fat Joe in his face and he said, no. He said, I'll do a record with you, but I'm trying to be Hov status. And at the time, that was some cocky shit to say. But listen, that nigga is Hov status now. It made sense, 100%.

That's cuz, he's dead. Because you know, it's me and Fat Joe, and you know, we like veterans. We're not used to getting told no. And although I didn't have nothing to do with the conversation, I was just listening. And I always remembered that. I was like, you know, he said he's trying to get. But he did what you said.

It makes a lot of sense. And I always tell people that it was a time that he felt a void for the hustlers, especially for the East Coast up top perspective that we didn't have at that time. And he came in and filled that up completely like to the new generation the young is coming to hustling scamming the whole new wave of getting money and like that he represents so much like you absolutely right he stepped in and went whole status yes yes yes generation like a hundred percent like i i tip my hat because i tell him that all the time like boy you like martha luther king out here and things like that especially that transition when he got locked up and he came back and like he was looking like superman tip my hat to Cousin. I tell him that all the time. Like, boy, you like Martin Luther King out here and things like that. Especially that transition

when he got locked up and then he came back in. Like, he was looking like Superman. He was hanging out with NFL owners. It was crazy. You get invited to the white party? Dude, no, I don't get invited to it. I ain't gonna lie.

Whenever somebody tell me I'm in Illuminati, I say I'll get invited to the white party, dude. I'm a little bit too dirty. Michael Rupert ain't on my radar yet. You know what I'm saying? I ain't no Michael Rupert. But we gambled with Michael Rupert and ho. I ain't gonna lie. He's there. I think he's bit too dirty. Michael Rubin ain't on my radar yet. You know what I'm saying? I ain't no Michael Rubin.

But we gambled with Michael Rubin and ho. I ain't gonna lie. He's there. I think it's my fourth night. That's how I know I've still got ways to go. I see Michael Rubin after that, right? When they was gambling, the nigga said, yeah, you Jay-Z friend, right? I said, damn, nigga.

I think I'm a dumb producer Jay-Z friend. I didn't even say Nori. So look at that. And this is the reason why I be having conversations with people like, we have enough power to do our own white party. Right. And no disrespect to Michael Rubin. And this is not about that.

It's about the power that we have that he's tapping into because he know we have that power. We need Diddy to come back out. You heard? We need Diddy to come back out. Diddy to come with the black party. Let's do the black party. The black party. But it's the black party. The black party. But it's not even about a black or white thing.

It's just that we have the power to do the same type of things that we see. And we are in a group of people. So it should be no problem for us to sit and come together. But our problem is it's so hard for us to come together and do things together. We never get that off and shit like that. And that, you did like, we never get that off and shit like that and we give it to somebody else and then we all,

and then they all get the credit of the culture that we all sat here and bust their ass from from the projects to get money to. You heard now, we want to be invited

to other people events that we should be having. Yeah, it's true, but I still want to be invited though. I ain't going to lie. I don't, you know what I mean? Busy or something,

but I still want to be invited. You know what I mean? I really like something, but I still want to get invited. I really like the rough shoulders with the people that I fuck with and shit like that. No disrespect to anybody. And I like new people and I like new money and all that type of shit too and shit like that. But I don't know, that shit don't impress me too much about getting invited. I used to always want to get invited to the parties. And then when they invite me, I'll be like, I'm busy.

The brunch? The brunch? The rock brunch. You can get it. You can get it. Yeah, yeah. It's a black thing. But it's a, you understand what? The rock brunch. You can eat it. You can eat it. Yeah, yeah. It's a black thing. But you understand what it is, though.

You heard? Like, you understand what it is. Like, that's a different type of, I need to be in there. By the way. You heard? Like, that's a different type of. I got to get in the brunch. Are you crazy? I got invited to the brunch.

I never actually went. What? Just describe to us, for the people who've never been to the brunch, how this is. I can't lie. The brunch has been one of the illest events that I've been to while I've been... It's definitely, might as well. They went around with big Acespades

on their shoulders, pouring Acespades all over the place. There's rich people all over the place. There's actors all over the place. I'm talking about X-Men actors, Spider-Man, all type of people. Okay, here's the million dollar question though. Does Jim Jones go by himself? Do you bring, who you go to the brunch with?

I bring a few people. Oh, you get plus ones? I bring me, me, Ellie, Shula. I bring like five people one time. You got a plus five? Let's make the brunch.

I might have blew it up. I might be plus zero. I might be minus you and minus zero next time. I went to Virgil's party, the Louis Vuitton party. It was just me and my wife. I was like, I'm out of line. I was like, don't listen to me. I be talking on the podcast.

I'm wild. Just me and my wife. But you came with a plus five. Holy shit to the brunch. And not with no lady. We didn't do it like bold and bad. It was like Secret Service style. Like, yo, I got the chip.

Hold on. You go over that way. I'll meet you inside. Sinking us. Watch as you hurt. Because you're Roc Nation, right? Yeah. I mean, yes, I'm Roc Nation.

I don't know if I'm still on the roster. But yes, the last time that I checked, I was Roc Nation. But shout out to Roc Nation, man. That's a great bunch of people over there. They have opened up a lot of doors for me through me settling in our differences and things like that, which is one of the biggest opportunities that I got from being over there and things like that. For me, it wasn't really about money. I know I had put myself in a corner coming up in this game for a lot of things that I've done and things like that. And me being able to do

that move was one of the smarter moves that I was able to do because it started to open up a lot of the doors that was closed for me. It started to open up different business that I could do with different people because they see that I was in a different space to be able to sit down and do that with Hov and all that. Shout out to Hov and shit like that.

Shout out to OG for giving me the opportunity to understand the type of person I am and shit like that. So, you know, I definitely tip my hat to them every time. I got to show ultimate respect for what they did and allowed me to do and shit like that. You know what I mean? You know, it's something that I recently, we had Tony Ayo on. And it's something that I got to credit you for. So, like, y'all guys were so loyal to the brand.

So loyal to what y'all was repping. Did that ever, like, come'all guys were so loyal to the brand, so loyal to what y'all was repping. Did that ever, like, come back and haunt you? Because Yeo said, I asked him, he said, oh, it's still haunting me. Yes. I mean, things that I've done back then definitely still haunts me to today. I mean, in different type of ways. It's not as bad as it used to do, but we was doing a lot for the sake of the dip set. You heard? We did a lot, and we put it all on the Lionfire brand,

and that was the greatest thing that we could ever have did, and I had the ball doing it. And I would do it all again the same way with nothing different if they gave me another chance to do it. Anything you regret? I don't have no regrets. I take my lessons from the things that I did

that I should have did better, but for the most part, I don't have no regrets. This is a mission in life that God gave me and I'm going to do it to the fullest. Even Nas Koofy? Oh, Koofy lives and is still around if people want to play with him.

Did you ever meet Nas afterwards? Shouts to Nas. I never got to, did I ever get to see Nas? I never got to sit down and have a conversation with Nas and things like that.

I had a cultural buddy and things like that. That was like, still one of the people that I never got to have a conversation with throughout my history of rap and things like that. I was like still one of the people that I never got to have a conversation throughout my history of rap and things like that. I think I would love to have a conversation with Nas.

I wouldn't know if he knows it, but Nas was one of my all-time favorite rappers coming up and things like that. I've heard you say that. Since the barbecue and things like that. He really put the whole dope boy rap, crack hustler, get fresh rap into perspective before anybody else before her Jay do it before her anybody else that he changed the cadence of rap into a whole different steam like he's the one that broke the

camel's back when it came to artists like to me when it came to ours like big daddy Kane and all these artists that came right before him like right after Nas came with that they started to fade out and then Jay, Fat Joe, like all of these rappers that are spitting about the light that we was really starting to live right now and how it was changing.

Like this is, you know what I mean? So that's how I felt about that whole little situation and shit like that. Right. So how hard is it, right?

You having that love and you saying what you're saying and then you saying what you're saying, and then you get a call, yo, they dissed, because I believe it was me, Cam, I was a part of the diss that he dissed, you know that, right? He dissed me, Cam, Nelly, and Angie Martinez. So how hard was that? Did you get a phone call, or was it you calling Cam saying?

It wasn't even a thought I even thought about. Did Allen Iverson cross Michael Jordan up? Did he give him the business when he got on that court? I understood that as soon as we got signed to the game, I understood that nobody was no longer my idol anymore. They were my rivals

and we had to treat it as that. And that's the way we attacked the game. There was nobody bigger than the set. And that's what Cam was serious about and it as that. And that's the way we attacked the game. Like, it was nobody bigger than the set. And that's what Cam was serious about and things like that. As crazy as Cam could be at some times, he was very smart. Calculated, premeditated. Like, he's a demon when it comes to doing music and it comes to the whole blueprint of what we did.

You know what I mean? Like, this whole diplomat thing, he really kept us together and showed us a lot of discipline when it came to it i mean as far as music and keeping our bars up like cam used to make us write music every day and like that like because he knew what it took at the time to become an artist and at that time bars were more important than anything you had to have you had to be able to rap and you had to freestyle and all over the place and like that that. You might go on a Nori studio and a session might work out, so it was like a lot of different things

that he instilled in us early that kept with me all the way to this day and shit like that. All right, so did you ever worry about, like, you know, you making a record against Nas? This is one of the greatest emcees of all time. Are you worried about his response, or that's something you won't even think about?

I wasn't even caring about the response. I was caring about the action. I was worried about the response Or that's something You don't even think about I wasn't even caring About the response I was caring about the action Right I was worried about the street Where they at What's next How y'all gonna do this Like that

I was like At the time We was rapping and things like that Was more of a cam thing And I just Always had a way of talking And Cam used to always tell me Boy

If you could Rap the way you talk And act outside You gonna get some money Right And he would do Little things like that That's why you hear me Doing all the Talking in between If you could rap the way you talk and act outside, you're going to get some money. Right. And he would do little things like that. That's why you hear me doing all the talking in between.

Adlibs. You know what I mean? Definitely a professional shit talker. Yeah. Yeah. So what's your favorite part of the game? Is it making the music or performing the records? I hate performing the records. You hate performing it?

Uh-huh. What the heck? Hate? Hate. You know what I mean? Hate. No fucking way. Yeah.

Like, making it better? I mean, I like doing the music. I mean, it's a love-hate thing to me with performances and things like that. You know what I mean? I would have never thought that. I would have lost it back. You would have lost it back? I don't know.

I would have thought it because I'm just, you know, doing my research. I'm reaching for it. I hate it. I hate it. But it's like, I don't know how to explain any things like that. I'd be definitely trying to, it's like homework to me.

I'd be trying to get off the stage as fast as I get on the stage. Wow. It's not as easy as it looks. I mean, still, not even after all these years and things like that. I mean, I'm still in my comfort zone

when I am on stage, and don't get me wrong, I've had some incredible shows, and we go into the fullest and shit like that, but I still get a little bit of butterflies and shit like that when I go up there driving to the show. I'll be like,

damn, man, you still, you did like... Because I've seen you at Lovers and Friends. You go back to that. I've seen you and Jewel's at Lovers and Friends. So I stood there and I just watched it and I felt like y'all was enjoying yourself. Like, there's certain people that I watch, I can't say their name, but they get

on stage and as soon as they get off, they throw the mic and they just angry because they there because they have to pay their bills. They're not there because they want to, you know what I'm saying? So when I'm looking at you and Jewel, I'm like, damn, it was so natural to me. I would have never thought.

I got to pay the bills too, but it ain't like it's, like my back is against the wall. I'm definitely going for the bag, but when it comes to performances and things like that, it's like, it's levels. Like, you go to certain places,

you're like, I got to go up to level eight. Right. Oh, I got to go up to level, that was a level 10. Like, now we got to go up to level 10.

Right. There ain't no way about it and things like that. That's just the whole mentality. As soon as I grab the mic, I'm on 10. What's your number one place to perform at?

Like, what you mean? Like me, like me, like I could never have a bad show in Connecticut. I could never have a bad show in connecticut i could never have a bad show in philadelphia like i don't give a i could have a pimple on my

eye like this philly still coming out for me connecticut still coming out for me i mean the midwest be pretty strong yeah that's crazy they'd be pretty strong for the kid you know new york is a given um connecticut is a given. I like the East Coast pocket. It gets tricky when you start going to the West Coast and the music is different out there. If you don't got no hits that they could know because they was on the radio and everybody know, then it's like you just rapping and they looking at you like,

yeah, all right. So I got to do a whole show and I might have five or six songs that everybody know. But I got to do 15 songs, so the rest of the 50 songs, they like,. I see it, though. Until you get one song, they like, oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've seen it, though, before. They're like, what? I've seen it, though, before. And they're like, yo, he look at Butch, he like, yo, yo, what? I seen it though before. And they're like, yo, he look at Butch, he like, yo, yo, put that reggae toe shit on. You got to know how to smoke some G. I look at the crowd, I cheat immediately.

I be like, oh, they ain't feeling it. Or I go into crowd participation like a motherfucker. Make sure you still got the hottest records of wherever you at that you can play and shit like that and get them back in the show, you know? But it's the road, man.

You know how the road is, man. I think the new generation got it worse because they just like something for a minute, boom, it's over. They want to hear the next new shit.

You know what I mean? I don't know. Listen, I don't know. I ain't going to lie. My son took me to a concert with an artist by the name of Lucky from Chicago. Y'all know who Lucky is from Chicago?

We're going to act like we know him, though, because we want to be a hit. Lucky. I like it. Shout out to Lucky. Shout out to Lucky. Lucky is popping. He had the, I forgot the name of the club that's off the west side highway. He had that shit ran wall to wall so loud.

These kids were singing every word for word for the whole duration of while he was up there. And I did not know who this kid was at all, at all. How the hell did he find him? My son was asking me to go to this concert for months. And then he like, yo, you gonna come with me?

I said, yeah, why not? Because I was curious to know who this kid was. And when he went in there, boy, them kids was going crazy. I'm talking mosh pit, going crazy, singing every word to this shit, bro. Like, yo, bro, these young kids got their shit mosh pit, going crazy, singing that B-word to this shit, bro.

Like, yo, bro, these young kids got their shit together. You know, we so caught up in our ways, but not caught up in our ways. That's how we came up. We used to the radio. We used to, we know what a hit is because we hear it all over the place. Like, nah, like, I watched a couple thousands of kids singing word for word records that I didn't even know none of them. I'm telling you, I didn't know not one record that that kid was singing and all the kids was rapping word for word. I mean, at that point, it's rocking if you see it.

It's crazy. I went to my son's school. He did Parents Teach a Day one time years ago. And I was like, yo, who's your favorite rapper? It was like, x x tessie on i'm like the american west with dan flores is the latest show from the meat eater podcast network hosted by me writer and historian dan flores and brought to you by velvet buck this podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation

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Extension. Foodie was like, Dad, I'll tell you later about it. He showed me the kid and shit like that, and I'm like, this is crazy. This is the kid that is popping, and like, a few months later. Boris.

Deal. Let me get one of them high tolerance ones. It's just like when we were coming up, these kids are the, these kids are the, hold on, this is Chrissy, Paul. Okay. I'm on the interview, y'all right? Yeah, we was talking about X-Tex Beyond. I was talking about basically how these new artists got their things set the same way that we had our things set.

When we were coming up, we knew all the artists that was popping before they even got to the radio. Right. We didn't have the internet, but we had the mixtapes and that's how we would dictate who was the next who and we knew all if all the freestyles and things like that and now it's the same way but it's even ill because they have access to the internet yeah they have their own world that we really don't know too much about as much as we think we know but going through your discography one thing that i noticed is that's one thing that i really see is you make global music. Like, you know what I'm saying?

You don't make music that just sound like a New York artist. Is that something you did on purpose? Because, like, I hear West Coast influence. And another thing I hear, damn. And another thing I hear is, yeah, right? Another thing I hear in the music is you sampled. Like, how could you be independent and sampled? That shit is expensive.

I was counting your money. I was counting this nigga's money. He's like, yo, that nigga got a lot of shit. I was counting the money up. I was like, this nigga been paying a lot. You been getting a lot of money, my nigga. But that's a two-part question. One part is, do you make music sound global on purpose?

And then the sample thing. I'm very curious. Well, the music, I don't know if it's global music, but I make music for every hood. All the hoods are a light that we come from. We all come from the bottom. We all come from facing adversity. We all came out hustling, trying to make a dollar out back against the wall. And this is the music that I make for all of us. So if you in California,

you're going to understand and you're going to feel what I'm talking about. Cause you've been through the same thing where you didn't have no food in the fridge and you had to figure out how to eat at night. And you might have brothers and sisters that you got to fend for and things like that. Like you want to hear all of that in my music. So you from Memphis, you feel that I mean it don't matter where you from you won't feel what I'm talking about And if you from Harlem you gonna totally understand I'm talking about cuz I'm talking about all the things that I've been through coming up in my in my hood in my neighborhood Oh, yeah one thing I want to answer the set the sample pop. Oh, yeah part Cuz you you've been sent. Oh, yeah, what part? Cuz you've been sent. Oh, yeah, um you clear these samples

Oh my god, i've had i've had some sample issues in the past Samples is it's a tricky thing man when it comes to doing music. Um Sometimes you go through the proper channels to get it done sometimes you go for it right you know i mean especially as an independent artist we have a little bit more leeway than artists signs who are major label has because a major label is going to stop you dead in your tracks before you even play with that where the artist is like you know a t-shirt go for a cease and desist and shit like that hold on one second i'm going through a little bit. Not like that, but just...

Hello? So, um, another thing that you did, um, I remember at one point going independent was like, I believe it was taboo. It was like a graveyard. It was like, and you went to, I believe it was E1. It was

Koch at the time. It wasn't even E1. I believe you went to Koch, and you was the first person to make independent look sexy. Like, you was like the first, like, I remember, like, everyone doubting you at first, and then everyone saying, I think I'm going to go independent like Jim Jones. Everyone kind of followed your wave. Was that Hustlers poem that went crazy, and they couldn't pay you enough? Well, what was the... I thought it was the album. That Hustlers poem that went crazy and they couldn't pay you enough? Well, what was the... I thought it was the album.

Yeah, the poem. When I did the poem, I wanted to renegotiate for a few million, and Alan didn't want to give me what I wanted, but... Alan Grumbloff. Yeah, but going independent was like my... That was the only option. But I learned about the independence for being in Houston. I was.

A little flipping them? A little flip. Yeah. I had the opportunity to actually be in Houston for a couple years. Had a club out there and all that. And while I was out there, I was watching how they was flipping all this independent music. And it was real independent, like going from the ground. Yeah.

Going into these mom and pop stores and selling them CDs out the trunks and things and things like that and when coming back is when the match really started going and cam got the deal then cam got the deal for jewels and then um i was like uh i asked dame for like a million dollars i felt that was worth it because at that time i was doing marketing i was doing You got not one record out. Not one record. Respect your husband. Respect your husband, bro. I wasn't just going off of just rap.

I was going off of everything that I was bringing to the table. They didn't have no artist that could do what I did at that time pretty much in the industry. Like, I was engineering, recording my own music and cam music. I was directing all of the videos. I was doing all the industry. Like, I was engineering, recording my own music and Cam music. I was directing all of the videos. I was doing all the marketing. Def Jam was paying me a consultant check.

I had, for me, I had the game and the chokehold because I knew I was doing things that no artist would think about doing

at the time, not to say that they couldn't do it. I'm just saying, it was just like, this was not thought of by artists. Like,

this was not done. Like, there's no way that I'm going to direct my own video. No, I need to go get X to direct my video.

I was like, nah, shit. Me, Cam, let me direct this video. How you going to do it? I'm like, we're going to hire one of the other directors and we're going to make him my co-director and I'm going to learn from him and then we're going to start directing all of it. Did it start with Oldboy? Yeah, Oldboy was my first video.

And that was the first video lesson I learned. I think the video was like $160,000. I probably made like $6,000. And then I heard the video, the director that had helped me with it made like $60,000. So that was my first lesson in production. How to get the money.

I spent like $500,000 on Homeboy. I got jerked. And that's one of the dips that most play records too, right? Oh boy, yeah. Oh boy is one of the biggest dips. You just said records. Longest playing record.

Things like that. I don't know if you remember, but we had Oh Boy and I had Homeboy, but it was called Nothing. And every night we was on a paid and fall tour. That was one of my greatest memories. And that was also when you first kind of like became Blood. And I don't know if you first became blood.

It was when you was flagging, though. And I remember we was going to like Chicago and places. People was like, this nigga's wearing blood. Like, holy moly guacamole. But I remember Homeboy, my record. What year was this? I don't know, man. I don't know why.

Because we did it twice. We did it with the records, and then we did it paid in full tour. You know what I mean? And then we was on the road with Mike Lighty in the beginning, in the very beginning. Damn, I go back. I go back.

I go back. I'm so scared, man. Yo, listen, did you see? And you know what's crazy? I probably even stared for half of them. Like on the other side of the room. We got it, man. I wish people could see all of this shit. I remember one time, I remember one time we was on the road and I knew the promoter ain't had the money.

I ran. Oh, yeah, he saw me. I ran. I ran. And ran. I ran. And I remember Zeke saying, no, what you doing? I was like, I know this nigga ran out of money.

You can look at it, you can look at the person's face and you know he ain't got it. Because he wants you to feel sorry for him. Like, once you... What's the... What's the problem?

Look at you like, you know how it is. Let me get my... Let me get the fuck out of here. We didn't tell niggas how to get a fucking mama. We need to back it up. We're driving you to your house.

Where's your ID at? We going to, somebody got to wake up. Your father, your father. Like, I don't care what you're going to do. About that back end, can't even have that. You're going to come back with the back end. Like, what? And here's what's crazy.

You already count that money. Like, it's counting. It's counting. Yes, it's counting. So this is for all. It's counted. It's been spent. It's been spent. So this is for all y'all Mr. Leeds out there. Yeah. Y'all Vermonters out there.

Mr. Leeds. They gonna be having that second half. Y'all be making motherfuckers go do some shit. I ain't gonna lie. That's why he kidnapped your ass. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. I don't know how he's gonna...

I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. I don't know how he's gonna there. I don't know. I mean, the promoters are crazy, bro. The promoters are crazy, bro. You know what's even worse, though? When they be like, I split it with you at the door. Yeah. I don't believe the hype.

I don't want the door, Papito. I don't want no door. I don't want my money. I guarantee me. I guarantee I can't do no door. Did he let 75 people or your people in? He be like, yo, papa, it's your fault. Yo, it's your friends. Nah, nigga, I don't do no door. Did he let 75 people or your people in and be like, yo, papa,

it's your fault. You're friends now. I don't want no door. Nah, man. You know, being on that road is the craziest thing. Sometimes you just know

it's like, oh, man, I hope they got my money. Like, yo, I'm free. They got this little back and I need this back and it's going to be

a big problem about this money, bro. Speaking of being on the road, like, I remember we they got this little back, and I need this back, and it's going to be a big problem about this money, bro. Speaking of being on the road, I remember you used to do the day-in-the-life shit, and just film day-to-day different shows and all that. What made you stop that? It was a lot going on. My life started going in different ways and shit like that. Some of that shit, I couldn't film it. The shit, I wasn't able couldn't film in the beginning.

Shit I wasn't able to film anymore in the beginning. It was fun. I was having, but shit. Do you think you'll bring that back? Oh, perhaps. Ain't you original loving hip hop? Yeah, yeah. I ain't gonna lie.

It was Jim and hip hop. It was Jim. I mean, you started to document your life. I mean, I mean. No, but it's documented. It's on film. Like, yeah, it's on film. I made it.

That's my show. I just, at the time, it's just, you know, life, man. I had an opportunity to take control of the show and be on the same level that Mona was. But a lot of things were going on where me and Chrissy wasn't willing to compromise our dignity just to get a part of something that was already ours. So, you know what I mean? And we was able to let that go. They ain't hired me back this season. You know what I'm saying? They ain't hired you back.

I never got a thank you from nobody from Love & Hip Hop. I'ma thank you, how about that? Because I got a night check. I got a lot of things. And then they said, this season we got to have a pay cut. I said, well, I'll get a pay not show. How about that?

Yeah, no, but I liked it. I enjoyed it. But so what was it at first? Mona just came to you and said, I just want to film you? No, she had nothing to do with it. Mona wasn't even involved in the beginning. It was a dude, Jim Ackerman. It was just a white guy from MTV. It wasn't it. It was a dude, Jim Ackerman.

He was the head of VH1. He'd been trying to do a show with me for a minute. And Chrissy wanted to do some reality show. It didn't go through. I was like, I got this guy. I'm going to see if we can do something that revolves around our dynamic of the relationship. Went down there, talked to Jim Ackerman. He like,

shit, let's run it. What we going to call it? Chrissy and Emily came up with the name Love & Hip Hop. Went back, we going to call it Love & Hip Hop.

Crazy. That's crazy. So it went like this. Yandy at the time was doing management for me at the time. Through Violator or on her own? No, just on her own. I had snatched Yandy at the time was doing management for me at the time. Through Violator or on her own?

No, just on her own. I had snatched Yandy from Mona and she was working directly for me. So at the time, I was flat. I wasn't really doing those shows enough. So Yandy had the opportunity to go on the road with Missy Elliott to make some money and shit like that. I was like, shit, Mona going to be here in the office. So she going to help me out with your day to day and shit like that. And you ain't.

And I'm just going to I'm going to roll to make some money. Cool. Yeah. Get the bag. I wasn't doing that at the time. So when I went to VH1, let me see the lighter. You got the lighter. I don't got the lighter.

Yeah. This is his lighter. Yeah. I left you the lighter. I already stole it from you. You stole it from me. You stole it from yourself. I stole a lot of these already.

Oh, man. So when I went to the VH1 meeting, Mona was with me at the VH1 meeting. So you brought Mona in? I ain't finished yet. I didn't finish yet. Mona went in the meeting as management and left out the producer. Wow. Because she knew what I didn't. And she didn't put me on the producer. Wow. Because she knew what I didn't.

And she didn't put me on the game. And that was the most thing that I was mad about with Mona. Wow. She just here to put you on. She come down to you. It's my whole idea and everything. You heard that? You was pushing the button down the line.

Everything I need to do at that time. Like, you need to get all of this because this is your show. Instead, she took it upon herself to slip in that problem. And that was the reason why he did. Y'all talked about it since then? I mean, I've been over that. You heard? That's what went on.

Yeah, of course, it definitely been time. But that shit foul. Thank you. Yeah. Because he's not Ace of Spades approved. I am. He can't drink. Who can I get another drink?

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Thank you for that. I mean, music, I love music. I'm all, for me to pick music and kind of like see a star coming, I could, I'm good at that. I do that with my eyes closed and things like that. And I like to help people get on. That's been always my knack in life and things like that. I always to help people get on that's been always my knack of life

And things like that. I always like to give and shit like that more than I like to take and I got to take a lot Like so there's a means giving back and trying to keep put other people on so they can get on my level on a higher Level and shit like that. I always been about that and the way I get to do it is through music and y'all seen from when we started with you wells to the maxes to so many other artists and shit like that from the hell rails to uh Dice Peso, now move forward. I like Dice Peso. Dice Peso is a real big reason for me to really get back into my executive bag the way I have been in the last few years and things like that. He's real adamant about coming to me and doing this Bird Game album

and bringing back Bird Game back out and things like that. And then I have a bunch of group of talented individuals that I believe in wholeheartedly. And we're starting to put the music out, and I can't wait for people to really start to get a load of all these artists that I have working under VL and things like that. You doing this. Listen to me.

Like I said, you one of the hardest working. Come on, man. Yo. I see. The pandemic? You went hard. You had to do like 300 features. Now I want to say this to you, right? You see how in the beginning when he said Meek didn't want to do like 300 Features like now I want to say this to you right

You see how in the beginning when he said Meek Didn't want to do the verse because he was on hold He was like you know I want to be on hold status So he was trying to hold his value I guess You know to a certain standard But you on the other hand You went to the streets you went back to the streets Where we wasn't allowed to come outside

You went out and took every feature From every nigga He must have caught covid 19 times i caught covid at the verses after the after the verses that was the only time The locks gave you COVID, nigga. The locks gave me COVID. On top of everything that night, they gave me COVID. I couldn't win for nothing. But you went hard in the pandemic, and I feel like that thing really put you back

to where you needed to be. No, I ain't going to lie about me. But doing that definitely put me Visibly all over cuz I did so many features like he said daily like 300 features And it was lucrative and you was doing the videos, too Of course see that was it I figured out the quarantine studio shots the quarantine Of course, see, that was it. I figured out how to... Quarantine Studios. Shout-out to Quarantine Studios. Quarantine Studios. Works for me over there.

Shout-out to Drop TV. We got some things... Since you built the studio with the Cribs. We got some things coming, but... What exactly are you doing at that bodega? Hold on. Let me finish talking about that. Hold on.

Let me finish talking about the lucrative videos. Oh, yeah. So I did figure out the Quarantine Studios. And with Quarantine Studios, I figured out how to record virtually in real time with the least amount of latency that you can. So I was able to do music in my house with the artists, and we all in a session virtually and still knocking it out.

And I didn't have to have an engineer in my house. My engineer was at his house. So I figured that out, and I was able to do all the features. I created Quarantine Music, the side where all the artists were. Now you can pay me to do your features and things like that. And me and Pone, this man, the DM in Pone, was calling everybody to call the DM. And we were taking features from 4,000, 5,000, 6,000, 7,000, 3,500. Because it didn't matter.

Nobody was moving. And the videos are separate budgets. And the videos are separate budgets. So it was nobody moving at the time. Nobody could go to the studio. Nobody was making money. So I'm in my house, in my basement, making $35,000 before the night is out

for features. I wasn't kidding. I was adding that shit up. So before the week is out. Allegedly, just in case IRS is listening. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly. Allegedly. Shit. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of it is all promo. It was Luka who decided to be able to tap into that market Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. A lot of it is all promo. Yeah. It was a loop of the side, just be able to tap into that market without having to go outside.

And that in turn turned into me being all over YouTube with all these kids playing this music and these videos with Jim Jones out. And that helped ramp up with all the younger generation and things like that. Like I tell you- So let me ask you because a lot of people don't know, like, Wake Kwan taught me that,

that, you know, a feature is one price, the video is another price, right? But when I was out, I didn't have Instagram. So, so,

when you do a feature and a video for a person, do you charge them separate for a post or do you just look out? I show love. You show love, okay love you show love okay i feel lovely okay if you if you pay me for the video and the verse i'm gonna post it you're gonna

post it like that you think i ain't okay i ain't that type of thing i ain't gonna try to take it yeah that's weird so what's up that's part of the package though that we when we were doing the features that was part of the package we're gonna we were doing the features, that was part of the package. We gonna post it up and shit like that. You pick the tab, that's the least we can do. How much is the verse now, Jim? Whoa. Yesterday's verse.

How much is that? Listen to me, listen to me. Like, I got a ticket, right? I just said I got a ticket. We ain't gonna say it right now and shit like that. But if a nigga call me right now and be like, yo, my man want a feature. Yo, he want a feature right now? How much money he got right now and be like, yo, my man want a feature. Yo, he want a feature right now. How much money he got

right now? Right now. Yo, he got $8,200. Run it. Run it. Right there, you got that right there? Right there? Right there? You heard?

Yeah. And that's still more PC than you would ever get off of any brick you sold outside and shit like that. You know what you got to do? You know where I killed them at? And this was years ago. Europe. Because they paying top dollar. Yeah, you a problem.

No, they paying top dollar. And it depends because... And hold on, let me say, don't think y'all could call me like like y'all it's not gonna work like that buddy to get to me to get that call it just can't. But it's just the hustling mentality that having me and shit like that, you dig? I'm not trying to let no dollar slide. I feel like Ross is like that. I need to get that money.

Like, why not? Who am I? I did this music so I can make this money. Now it's for me to turn my face and my nose up and not take the money? It's just crazy. I need everything that comes associated with Jim Jones. Give it to me.

I said, you know what you dig? You want to buy into this brand? Come on, I need you in here. Now you have another person who's going to lobby for you in all you do with music and things like that. You just invited them into your circle, whether they paid for a feature or not.

Now they are part of, you did, your network and shit like that. You know what I've seen, what it did for you, in my opinion, was it made you more grounded. It made everyone feel like, you know what I'm saying, like I could get at Jim Jones

and it made people, because these artists that you were working with, like they are appreciative. Word. You know what I'm saying? They're appreciative. They'll never get a feature

from us. It made you seem, one, it made you seem humble, but it made you seem connected. Word. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Because I felt like

every artist that you did it with was appreciated. And it was just like, I felt like those dudes would kill somebody for you. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I hope not. I'd rather y'all lobby for me. That's all. You didn't want to call me like you did.

But I've been in the position of each one of those artists. That's real. And I know how it feel to be on that side of the fence when you can't get a feature. I remember me rapping for Yo Gotti, I mean, now, Irv Gotti in his office when Murder, Inc. was in Def Jam and he was all in Def Jam trying to get a deal and shit like that. And Irv Gotti looking at me like I'm crazy, like, what, you looking for the opportunity and shit like that? And this is even when I was with Cam and them, so it was like I was already in position to do certain things, but as an artist, you looking for certain opportunity and shit like that. And this is even when I was with Cam and him. So it was like, I was already in position to do certain things.

But as an artist, you're looking for certain opportunities and certain help. And, you know, if I get a feature with this dude, that'll be one level up that I could get. And nobody wasn't handing that to me. Okay. At all. I remember. All my features was Cam and Juelz. Right.

Think about that. You heard? But that was enough. It was. It was. But as being a part of the game, and you got rappers that you to... I'm not the artist, yeah. And Maya, and like, oh, you dig? I think that nigga like,

oh, I need to... You dig? Like, you... So imagine the artist coming up and trying to just get... So I be thinking about it all, like, shit. And they got some money?

Shit, come on. Come on with it. I remember I called you one time for a feature for my band and shit or whatever. He was like, yo, he was like, listen, y'all, if it was you,

I would've did it for that. I was like, man, give me three more thousand. I'm like, add two he was like, listen, y'all, if it was you, I would have did it for that. I'm like, man, give me three more thousand. I'm like, add three thousand for that, my nigga. I said, I'm expecting it, man. I told him, I said, listen, man, you got to add three more thousand. Add three to that. What you saying, my nigga?

Word. He ain't just taking anything. He ain't. Word. Let me say something about you because, like, I've seen you come up. Like, obviously we didn't grow up together, but we grew up in hip-hop together. Talk about it. We grew up in hip-hop together. Nor even the five-age. He's been to my project

building. He's been to my project building. The five-age, that mean Cam, Zeke, everybody used to live in where my grandma passed. He's from, we've known each other for a very long time. Hold on, let me just give you your flowers. Like, I've seen you grow into an executive,

a hustler. Like, you was at, like, I admire people like Spiff Starr. I admire people like Tony Ayo. I admire people like Memphis Bleak. I admire people who stayed down. But to see where you come from,

like I said, at one point, you know, I was filming a documentary called What What one point, you know, I was filming a documentary called What What. I did not know what I was doing. It was actually the pre-crew to Drink Champs. So I

only called the people that I could call for that day. And it was funny as fuck. The three people that I could call was Cam, Miff Bleak, and 50 Cent. So the crazy shit was my dumb ass forgot that these niggas ain't getting along. I said, holy shit. So I had to have Bleak on one side, interview Cam, make sure Cam gets to the other building, and then have 50 Cent downstairs.

I swear to God. And I got it all on tape. but this is something that you said he was like yo man these niggas be spinning he said man I've spent five he said I spent I get five downs for I get five nickels for 20 bucks and I was like and you had on you had on army fatigue pants and and I looked and I was like, this is the grimiest nigga from Dipset. He's the one. He's the one. By the way, that was fly because that's what we were smoking at the time. It was 20s

and 50s. Niggas wasn't $100 bag niggas. Niggas wasn't ounce of niggas. We are now, but we all had a beginning. It wasn't those guys. It was brown bags and I say that to say, there's so many people that don't those guys. It was brown bags. And I say that to say, there's so many people that don't stay down. There's so many people that jump ship

when they see that the Titanic is coming. They jump ship. And they'll go do some shit. You stay down. We was the niggas playing. We was the band on the Titanic. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Stay on the Titanic. Yes. Yes. Yes. Stay on the motherfucking shit. Stay on the motherfucking shit. We played that music to that shit going down. Man, you listen to me. You fought every dip set battle. Everything that had anything to do with your crew, you was front line. And I'm just telling you, you deserve to get your pedicures and manicures in Miami Beach and retire.

I'm glad, man. I'm glad that Zeke is here with me, too. I'm glad, too. Zeke has been with me since I met Zeke when I was like nine years old. Wow. You dig? And then I go to my first day of high school. You met Zeke first?

We got a reaction. Yeah, I met Zeke when I was nine, nigga, fourth grade in summer school. Damn. Stealing bitches tokens and shit like that. Now, look at this time. And then after that, I see Zeke and then I get to high school, my first day of high school. I get to my locker, my shit is Jones and his shit is Giles, and I'm opening the locker, and this nigga's there. Like, get the fuck out of here.

So since ninth grade, Zeke's been with me, we've been with each other since the age of 14 and shit like that, and we've been through every single thing that you can imagine. So when Cam and him start coming to my house and doing music, Zeke lived on the east side but now we like 17 18 niggas has grown zeke is doing his own thing shit like that and we trying to figure out how to get ready to do this move and i know to do this move you got to have some niggas that's ready to go as far as you can take it yeah and i'm like one of the first niggas i told cam was like yo we got to take zeke with us. Wow. Trust me. Wow. You heard, like.

What's up with Big Sean? Fast Sean? Yeah. He passed away. He passed away? Oh, God bless. Sean was one of the earlier ones. Yeah, I see him with y'all all the time.

We grabbed a group of kids that we knew that had heart, and we was ready to go against the world. And as we got in the game, we learned the game. So when I tell people that rap is the most dangerous game in the world, the most dangerous job in the world, they be looking at me like I'm crazy, but I really mean it.

No, that's a real... We're the biggest target in the world. I think a lot of people misunderstand you when you say that. It's like the veterans and the army members. But even with army members, you know who your enemy is. You know who your enemy is. I don't know who the fuck my enemy is.

You know what you're expecting at home, whatever you're on that field. Not taking nothing away from it. Not taking nothing away from it. Army, military, Navy. I know that shit is dangerous. I'm not in the army. But we are outside and we're dealing with people that we don't know who nobody is. But everybody do know who we is

But I've been dying at an alarming rate right back in the past ten years Right. Yeah There was a time when there was only Scott LaRock that had got killed Yeah, we didn't hear about no rappers getting cute on things ah Like Scott LaRock I killed now with the last about no rappers getting killed. I'm trying to think. You heard? Yeah. Like Skylar Rock got killed, and that was the last rapper you heard getting killed for years and years. And Tupac and Big. And Tupac and Big.

And then it stopped after that. Right, yeah. It stopped after that, and then it just got... Because you know what it is? A lot of people want to... Because see, at one point, rappers was corny. The drug dealers was the niggas. They were the real rappers. They were the niggas.

They were the real rappers. Drug dealers became the rappers. No, rappers became the drug dealers. Rappers became the new drugs. Like, we're the new drug dealers. So,

when we started, when they started to learn that, oh shit, it's not corny having money. Yeah, exactly. It's not corny switching every Rolls Royce, every time the Rolls Royce came up. Oh, it's not corny, not going to jail. It's not corny having money. Yeah, exactly. It's not corny switching every Rolls Royce every time the Rolls Royce

comes up. Oh, it's not corny not going to jail. It's not corny taking care of your family. Didn't the motherfuckers, they want to take our life. Really, what they want to do is just take our success and say give me your success and give me everything you worked for. And

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I'm describing a scenario now. So when you said that, I don't know if you know, when you said that, as soon as you said rap is the most dangerous job and I see people giving you backlash, I got on this show and I said,

Jim Jones is absolutely correct. And not to put, I'm just saying, you even got to watch the closest people that's next to you. Yeah. When you're in this position of success. More than anything. You know what I mean? And this is how I learned how to eliminate a lot of people

that, I've lost a lot of friends and eliminated a lot of people that were close to me due to certain things of how I was moving, things like that. And now if you don't have a purpose to be around me and I don't see a way that you can get paid from being around me, then I'm not going to have you around me. And that has nothing to do with my friends. I got a lot of friends when it comes to this business and shit like that. It's not like it used to be.

Right, right, right. When 30 didn't turn to 2. You know what I mean? Real talk. It changes. You learn a lot as you're moving and shit like that. And you know everybody can't go. And I ain't got the pot for everybody to live like I'm living and shit like that.

And a lot of people don't know what opportunity is. They don't know how to get money. And that's one of the things that rappers go through a lot is that We put in position to help a lot of people a lot of people don't know how to take that help and use it for They sell it for they sell Like smoke champs, you know before we even smoke champs just you know, I'm his nephew These is niggas and he just told like yo listen, yo, listen, man, any opportunity, any chance you get to use me, use me. That's what I tell

my niggas, yo. I'm here to be used. He said, now, don't abuse me, but use me. Use me. Anytime you can make something happen. A hundred percent. I tell my artists that we have what we call town meetings, like, every three weeks a month inside the studio and shit like that.

The floor is for everybody to talk about what they don't like, what they do like, what we not doing, what we shouldn't be doing, however it comes and shit like that. You dig? And the one thing that I tell them is, listen, we in a position to do a lot, but I can't do everything. But opportunity is in front of you. You got to learn how to use me to your benefit. Not in no fucked up way, but use me where it's going to benefit you and benefit us.

Right. We can win. That's what I'm here for, to be used in that manner and shit like that. So you're absolutely right. Some people get it. A lot of people don't. Yeah, some people don't get it. A lot of people don't.

And a lot of people don't understand, even with us having a nigga already in the game or your crew having you already in the game, it doesn't always work either. And you can't get mad at the top. Bro, rapping is like rolling a dice. Yeah, it is.

It's like the entertainment period. You might roll a two. You heard? Right. You win the game off a deuce, you heard?

You're going to roll an ace. It might not be the thing for you. It might not work for you. You might give it your all. You might have the most dopest marketing strategy. You might have a bag on you, big jewelry, and it still might not work for you. Right, right, right.

You dig? I knew this dude, my man. My man, his name is Taj. And Taj started a record label, right? This is how fucked up Times is. Yeah, Taj started a record label. I said, so what you going to do? He said, I got the houses, I got the cars,

and I got the jewelry. The nigga had no artist. I said, what? Yeah, all the fly shit. Yo, that's what he thought. It took the starter label. This how easy we make it look for people. Yeah, that's how easy that is.

That's my point. When they look at us living, they think this shit, oh, I got it. You did, but they don't understand the hard work that we got to put in yeah night out like the the long day the longer nights you heard the flights we got to take the mornings we got to get up the drink champs we got to do the drip reports a lot of people don't understand the whole war report album i did on the train i never even took a taxi. I couldn't afford it. They told me you got to stop hustling.

I literally stopped hustling. L.A. L.A. came out and I was like fuck it. I had to get to Unique Studios and D&D Studios and most of the time I got on the motherfucking R train, bro. Word up. Word up. I sacrificed. All that is no more. They skipping

all that right now. They going straight to the there's no girl. There's no girl. Ice Spice went from one record straight to the moon. I respect that. We needed it.

We needed it. She's on fire. Shout out to the females. Yeah you. She on fire. Load the group on fire. We love it. Shout out to the females. Yeah, the females on fire. I want to ask you. A lot of females is kicking ass right now. I want to ask you this, Jim.

So you see how the game is now, Fawz? We just said a young nigga get a hit, and they hit is going to the moon because of all the outlets that there is now. What part of the game do you like? The new game or the old game? I like the new game. I'm part of what's going on.

I need to be a part of the present. You heard the past was the past and it was good when it was there. But we not there anymore. That's where a lot of older artists get caught up in and shit like that. They get caught up in their ways. Oh, I'm still going to put an album once every two years and shit like niggas Hey Drake is putting out three four albums a year nigga. You should be on your toes right now Let me show you the times are changing and you need to start bombing like so that's one thing

I always try to do even from Throughout my duration is make sure I kept up with what's going on be able to reinvent myself and stay in and stay relevant and Shit like that, you know what I mean? If you don't do that, you're going to get lost in the sauce fast, and you're going to start looking crazy outside. So what's your favorite time in hip-hop? My favorite time in hip-hop? Well, my favorite time in life was the 90s.

Of course. Always. That was my favorite time in life. 1998, my favorite year. Hip-hop was just the soundtrack to that. You heard? And then we got 97. 98.

97. You got 98. I got 98. But Cam was 97. Me and Cam was on fire. Me, Cam, DMX. Big Pun. Big Pun.

No, no, Macy's before that. Macy's. Me, Cam. Me, Cam, Pun. I believe it was. DMX. DMX. Corrupt. We were on fire. Dumb fire. Me, Cam, puns, DMX, corrupt.

We were on fire. Dumb fights. Fire. Big pun. Big pun. And we all lost to Sukta Shaka. None of us. Now, one of us won.

And that'd be a war that year. I never forgave Sukta Shaka. Never. And he ain't do nothing. You should've took the award. Never. He ain't do nothing. You should have took the award. You know you ain't deserve that. I fuck with you.

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I fuck with you. I fuck with you. I fuck with you. I fuck with you. I fuck with you. I fuck with you. I fuck with you. So for the younger generation right now, because they hardly know who we are. They might see us because we still on TV. Yeah, they think I'm a podcaster.

But they don't understand how much, how hot, like when we, bro, Nori was on. When you had the bar records. I can't even name the type of fire he was on. They was calling him the new Tupac. It's all the same shit. I remember Un and them having an hour conversations about Nori and how hot he was getting, what he was doing. I ain't going to lie.

Un, I never gave Un his flowers. I'm going to be honest with you. Because me and Cam was friends. So what happened was Un knew he could kind of like bully penalty. So Un was trying to like steal me, but I'm going to be honest he taught me a lot. And I don't know if you remember the first Summer Jam we did

together. Yeah, and you came out and almost killed yourself. I almost killed myself. What? You think I didn't know what pyro was back then? Oh my God, the pyro was going on. I'm with my Harlem friends.

These niggas is fancy as fuck. I'm like, wait a minute. They're like, yo, it's a boom go. We fucked that all up. That's the only thing we're trying to do too much all the time. Yo, first of all, this is my first summer jam. So they was going to have me go by myself. But they was like,

fuck that. Have them come out with Cam because we had the records together on fire. So, they're like,

all right, cool. So, we rehearsed. But in the rehearsal, they don't say nothing about no pyro.

Explain to the people what's pyro. Pyro is the shit, boom. Like the explosion. That shit is the fire from the Macy's show. That type of shit shit. Boom! Like the explosion. That shit is the fireworks from the Macy's show. Like that type of shit.

They got bust in the old stage. So they like, yo, it goes tick, tick, and then boom. And then you come out. So I'm like, you tell me this

five minutes before I go on? So that's just a tick, tick, boom. The first one came out. Cam came out. That's just a tick, tick, boom. Charlie Baltimore came out. That's just a tick. And I was like, where the hell

the tick at? For me. I'm like, thanks. I stood there. And I'm like, do I go out or do I chill? And I went just like this. And that's just a boom. I was like, oh shit. My life

flashed before my eyes. You understand? Because that shit blew up. and I didn't know it. And then I walked around it like an idiot. I didn't even walk through it. I walked through it and I performed like nothing happened. The whole time I can't hear shit. This is summer jam, nigga. This is 30,000 people, my nigga.

That's why I will never, listen, Dipset, y'all, you, KM, Jewelz, Preaky Z, all y'all, y'all, I love y'all for life, my brother. I really do. I really do. Y'all came up together. Like that's it. We really came up together. Like Uncle Wise, like we really came.

We really came up, man, and it was a good time. That's why I'm so proud of you. Let me ask you before we get to Quick Time with Slam. Do you have the last Migos recorded record together? Yeah. The last. RP Takeoff. Right, yeah.

On Mission Soul, baby boy. Yeah. He was just a dope person, man. Like, I had a great relationship with him. He would come in New York, hit me up. Were you at Unc Pull Up? So you had a relationship with Takeoff and he he hooked up to amigos record You all do all of them. Okay, I had a real

Like I really fucking think about him all the time he hit New York and call me Oh, we gonna get it all this old takeoff was like my god Like we he would and he was a real fan of dips and I saying nobody'm not saying nobody else, but he would show it. He'd be like, nah, we know all your ass. We know everything you be talking about, all the tricks. It would make me feel good to know that someone like Takeoff is giving me my flowers. And he's arguably one of the biggest groups of all time. And it's nothing to him.

He was a good nigga, man. He was a good nigga. He came to the studio and they're like, where you at? I'm like, at the studio. He's like, I'm pulling up. We in the studio. He's like, nah, we got to get one on. Producer start playing beats.

He's like, this it. This it. To the trends? To the trends. By the way, that record is fire. By the way, that record is hard. Fire. By the way, that record is hard. I'm just saying, the Trends. He did his hook, and he did his verse.

And then I did a verse, and then I was like, nah, I got to come back and fix my shit tomorrow. Like, I don't like it. Oh, he made you go back in? Yeah. You know, that whole shit is different. Like, it's not like a New York type of like, I'm just trying to kind of wow on that shit.

Like, no, no, I got to tighten up. So I came back the next day, did it. Then we put it on the gram. Offset hit me. Wow. He like, nah, I don't know what you're trying, but I need on that. Like, I got it.

Oh, that's the offset. This is the offset, too. I spoke to him the other day. Go ahead. So he like, yo, pull up. I'm in the studio. We go to the studio. We're there bugging out and shit like that. He end up doing a record and shit like that.

Then Quavo hit me like, man, how you got the two and can't forget the choke? I'm like, what are you talking about? He's buggin' out, pull up. And it was crazy, so Quavo part was more iller because Quavo did his verse and the video all in the same studio, all at the same time. So when I went to the studio,avo did his verse and the video all in the same studio all at the same time so when I went to the studio he did the verse and right after

verse we shot the video right there in the studio in the same clothes same clothes that's where you open the door they had the staircase with all the graffiti and all that right there everything so his verse and video done all in like two hours and then he had to get on a plane so i was glad i could ask him and they did it separately and like that but they all made sure they did they part like and takeovers like now i'm coming to the block i don't care what's going on i'm coming to the block i don't care what's going on he pulled up to the block and he enjoyed himself out there he had a ball so that was one of the things he wanted to do, like now I gotta come to Harlem and check it out, and so that whole process

and shit like that was no good. And where was that record dropped, what label? Empire, Vampire Life Records slash Empire. Pick up the Ghazi. And we'll see Shot that one, right? Pick up Shot of Ghazi and the whole Empire family. Yes, that's in my family. We'll see Shot the video.

Chop and we'll see Shot the video. Ghazi, Neema, Tina Davis just became the big dog over there right now. Yo, yo, I'm so happy for Tina Davis, man. Oh my God, Tina. Definitely. I seen her come over there and help Empire do a lot of different great games. Yeah, I heard she went over there and kicked ass. Nah, she went over there and turned up. Yeah, yeah. Gazi already has something great going on. Of course. Shout out to Ghazi. He helped change my life and helped back in the game and things like that. I can't front on Ghazi in no way, shape, or form or shit like that. The last 10 years of my life has been great thanks to Ghazi.

Would you pick Ghazi over Al Gruppling? 100%. Yeah, me too. 100%. You're starting quick, Kyle. It's loud. I don't regret what I've been through. I may ball into some of my biggest hits with Alan and shit like that,

but his business acumen is nowhere near to what Ghazi and how the way they move in Empire. You heard me? That was the first place that I got a check for my music was from Empire. You know what I mean? When they tell you you're going to get paid, you're going to get paid. And you get paid every month. You're going to get paid what they tell you. You're going to get paid whatever percentage you negotiate with them.

That's what it was. I was pretty much the first major artist that Gazi signed. I can remember when T.I. called me. Yo, how Gazi is the same thing I told T.I. the same thing I told Fat Joe is that nigga pay on time. Nigga said,

I put Fat Joe on time. I spoke to him. I got to claim my shit, too. I spoke to him. I put Fat Joe on. Okay, I got to claim my shit, Jim. I didn't say I put him on, I didn't say I put T.I. on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, they called me and asked me, how is it over there, Empire?

And I told them the same thing. They pay on time. Yes. I never got a check from no other music, but they, I didn't say put anybody on. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. I told them to pay on time. never got a check from no other music but they like I didn't say put anybody on the show

I told them they pay on time that's been my whole thing when dealing with artists and they ask me about Ghazi's like bro the business up there is

and he's a great guy whatever you strike up there is what you're going to get you know what I mean so be mad at yourself for what you did and negotiate that's just that

you know what I mean let's make some noise for Ghazi and Empire and Nima and Empire and Nima for what you did in negotiating. Right, right. That's just that. You know what I mean? Right, let's make some noise for Gazi. And Empire and Nima. And Empire and Nima. And Tina Davis. And shout out to Tef, my product manager.

And they host staff. They host staff. They host staff. I was out there the other day and I went to the label and they walked me through it. On the West Coast in the Bay? Yeah, in the Bay.

And they walked me through it. Took you to the club? No, no, no. I didn't go to the club, but went to the club no no i didn't go to the club but what um they got they got yeah i went to the studio and he he flipped on me for leaving my charge in the car he's like you can't leave your charge in the car so he showed me i went to the studio but the whole staff they got on and what a lot of people don't know is a lot of this afrobeat music that y'all listening to is independent.

That shit is independent. It's on the radios being played because Afro music is so hot right now that, you know, it's slipping through the, you don't have to be on a major. You don't have to spend that $150,000, that $250,000. And Gazi is doing it. He got reggaeton artists. I was like, damn, I was counting his money. I was like, damn, I was counting his money. I was like, man. You got to really, we got to be really

thankful for the whole Bay Area and Oakland area because that's where this whole independent lane came from. And I'm not taking nothing away from Houston.

I don't know who started it and shit like that, but I know in the Bay and in Oakland, them boys been out there doing that independent thing for a long time. As you see,

Ghazi has turned that shit into a multi-million dollar operation. We went to the studio, remember? Yeah, we went to the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we went to the studio. They built a pool in that motherfucker. They all are. He 40.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Too short. I mean, there's a lot of artists that started out there from the independent lane for making a shitload of money. You don't leave nothing in the car. Yeah, you don't leave nothing in the car. Artist I started out there from an independent lane for making a shitload of money so You don't you don't get what you deserve you negotiate 100% that's a that's a true fact So I hope you negotiate what you deserve or more you heard cuz it's cold out here and and sometimes I do I do deals where I I don't get what I deserve But I know what I'm gonna take that and do with it and things like that.

So, you know, you got to be smart when you approach the table. Every dinner is going to be different, even though it's the same dish, you heard? All right. We're going to do a quick time of slime. We're going to play the game real quick. The fact is we said we're not going to drink hard liquor, so we're going to do shots of champagne. All right.

Okay, Jamie, you ready? Where's Jamie at? We'll see you in the building. God damn it. We'll see. Holy shit. Yo, Jim, you're from everybody. What's my man name from the old...

I'm from Instagram. What's my man name? Ray Ray. Ray Ray. Ray Ray. I got the Ooters in the building. So, it's my birthday weekend. Yes, I'm coming to celebrate.

I got all my artists down here in Miami with me, so I wanted everybody to come out. Ray Ray signed to you? Yes, Ray Ray is the first comedian. That's hard. I see them going there pushing tea. I knew something was up. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Ray Ray is the first comedian signed to a V.O. record. That's hard. That is hard. I've been watching Ray Ray on the gram cutting up and things like that, and I hit him up like, yo, man, I to a V.O. record. That's hard. That is hard. I've been watching Ray. We were on the gram cutting up and things like that. And I hit him up like, yo, man, I got a proposition for you, man. I think you, you know what I mean? And so here we are.

He's been working on a stand-up. We about to put out his comedy album. That's fire. His soul is dope, man. That's fire. Hey, Jim, you don't got a female artist? Yeah. Yeah, you don't follow him?

I got three female artists. Shouts to Jew. Oh, yeah, Shasta. No ID. Okay. Shouts the yellow Alright so this is how the game go if you be completely correct you say none Then we take a shot if you say both we do we take a shot. If you say both, then we take a shot. But if you pick one or the other, there's no shot. But I drink with you, so it's not nothing crazy. And it's shots of champagne. Give me some food. This is a good one.

This is a good one. But I know how you're going to answer this. I know how you're going to answer this. I know how you're going to answer this. Illmatic or doggy style? God damn. So how does this game go? I got to pick one? If you pick one, we don't drink. If you pick both,

we drink. Or either. And you pick both like I like them? Yeah. Like, oh, yeah. You can't decide. You can't decide. You can't decide. You're politically correct. Yeah. And you can't decide, you take a shot.

That's it. You can't decide. You can't decide. So take a shot for it. For no doggy style or ill madness. It's both their first albums. Listen to me. I remember going to HMV.

Remember? That was the movie. HMV, yes, yes, yes. Sam Goody. Me and my man Omar, when I was in Julia Richmond, we cut school. We went to HMV. What was it? Tuesdays, the album used to come out? Yes, Tuesdays yes. Sam Goody. Me and my man Omar, when I was in Julia Richmond, we cut school, we went to HMV, what was it? Tuesdays the album used to come out? Yes, Tuesdays.

On Tuesday, stole a Snoop Dogg album, went home. I remember the whole Snoop Dogg album that night, came back to school the next day, we was singing the whole shit all through the halls. So you taking a shot? Yeah, that's cool. All right, cool. Side look.

Side look. Side look. Okay. KRS-One or Rakim? You can always pick. The New Yorker, you should not let you pick one. I'm just being honest. See, I'm not saying... It's a share brand.

Who's trying to flag you? This one or that one The white one or the black one Pick the bunk and I jump up to attack one KRS-One is just a tight elite crew Right up to your face and diss you Come on man Then rock him Okay alright so let's take a shot

Let's just stop playing Come on bro Let's just take a shot Let's just stop playing You put a chef there to get a nigga drunk on purpose Exactly Okay, all right, so let's take a shot. Let's just stop playing. Come on, bro. Let's just take a shot. Let's just stop playing. Let's just stop playing. You put a chef there to get a nigga drunk on purpose. Exactly, exactly. If this nigga pick one, we might jump him in here.

Okay. Nigga. Nigga. French Montana or Rick Ross? These are these niggas that come up with big questions. Yeah, they got right questions Yeah They got my dad They got a question Alright

I can't like so And this is not This is not like the French You know I love you to death You have no You dig But I fuck with Rick Ross Right

I like I like I like Rick Ross music French got a bunch of hits Right But I know a bunch of Rick Ross' music You heard

Shouts to Ross the boss And shouts to French Okay That's that Documentary he just dropped I don't know if it came out I didn't get to see the document You heard? Shouts to Ross the boss and shouts to Fresh. Okay. Shouts to that documentary he just dropped too. I don't know if it came out. I didn't get to see the documentary. I heard it's real good.

It's dope. Yeah, I heard it's real good. I got to see it. You went to the premiere? Yeah, I went to the premiere. I like seeing y'all together. Yeah, it was dope. I didn't know that I'd be

in the documentary so much, but it was definitely dope. When y'all squashed the beef, I ain't going to lie, I think I called you and I was so proud. I was so proud of you. I was so proud of New York

because I just feel like New York We need to show unity like everyone else is showing unity but us because we were so cocky for so many years But let's move on. Okay Big L or stack bundles Come on. That's great. Take a little. It's not a little. Yo, y'all motherfuckers supposed to be taking shots, too. I'm going to take shots of y'all. Fuck are y'all doing over there? I'm taking shots. I'm taking shots of Ja Day, man. Ja Day is an effective shot, yo.

Ja Day. That's the color of the Ja Day looking like rose. Bronx Tale or Goodfellas? It's delicious, by the way. Damn, bro. This is... Listen, just so you know.

I ain't gonna front those So I sat my son down And watched Bronx Tales with him And my nephew Because I needed them To watch that Like that's how

Deep Bronx Tales is with me Like I wanted him to understand The correlation between A working man And a man in the street And told him that I was both You watched your son watch it? I sat my son down

When he was younger and watched I should try to do that, but really he ain't watched none of it. Yeah, I used to watch Soprano for you. He ain't watched none of it. I used to watch Soprano. I used to watch Soprano. That was one of the only movies that I we done went to the movies, but

that was the only movie that I told him, I want to sit down and watch with you, I want you to understand who I am. I embody both of these gentlemen right here and shit like that coming up, because he. I want you to understand who I am. I embody both of these gentlemen right here and shit like that coming up because, you know, he was young and trying to understand who his father is. So that was a great way

to get that off to him. Plus, it's a dope-ass movie. It's one of my favorite movies. And Goodfellas, hands down, you got to go home, you heard? Yeah. You got to go home. You got to go home.

You got to go home. You got to go home. You ready? Just so you know, the Colombian and Dominican makes these questions up. The Dominican from Washington Heights, he looks like he still sells cocaine. I don't

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only we can. Listen to Dope Labs on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to go, Cam. And this ain't, wait, wait. Let's so, you know, whatever my, see, my personal never affected my ear for music. I love music. You dig?

Like when French and them came out with the scheming. I love music. You dig? Like when French and them came out with Scheming. Say Scheming. I was on fire. I had to listen to it. You had me in the store. I had you in the store. You had me in the store.

I was in my hair bopping like a motherfucker. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store.

You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store.

You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. You had me in the store. I was like a motherfucker. I'm like, this shit is hard, bro. I'm like, this shit ain't good. I'm like, this shit is hard, my nigga. God damn it, man. I said, yeah, you know, for me, that's when I really started hating. I was like, oh, I hate it. He's, he's here. No way around it.

You got to deal with him, man. Oh, shit. Shots to fresh. But yeah, so what I'm saying with that is between me, so you know, I lived with Cam.

Cam is my brother above any whatever. I love that. We started from the bottom. You heard, like, so it's different. Like,

I know he's a dog when it comes to rapping. Like, you dig? I've been through the lifestyle with him. I've also seen how creative he is and shit like that.

The same with Mase and shit like that. You dig? But there's just something about Cam that I think cam versus mace on versus you go on cam i'm going cam god damn it that's what you said but mace showed me how to rap i mean i'm not upset i've i've said this a lot of times but mace was smart enough to show me how to rap and compound the bars and things like that, so I can never take that, and Mase got some of the dopest music that I heard also,

but Mase only has one album. Cam got platinum albums, like not one of them, and that's what people don't be understanding when it come to you, Cam, and a few of our other, these are all multi-platinum artists you'll be talking to when you see them. You heard like real platinum plaques, and not the one that was accumulated by streams.

The one that people had to go in the store and buy a million people. If your CD got scratched, you had to go buy another one. Stop playing it. Some people was buying two and I want to keep it in plastic because it's a classic.

Stop playing. And these is 1099, 1299. People had to come up out their pocket. It wasn't no credit card or no Apple Pay. Like, stop playing. This one is fine. And these is $10.99, $12.99. People had to come up out of their pocket. It wasn't no credit card or no Apple Pay. These was hard dollars. I'm so old. I got a couple of apples on tape. Bro.

Four reporters on tape. Bro. I seen that the other day. I didn't even want to sign it. I was like, damn. Cam, Cam. That wasn't me. Cam Snippet.

Remember Cam Snippet joint was on the tape. Yeah, tape, yeah. I was telling people, bro, we was recording before Pro Toolsin' joint was on the tape. Yeah, tape, yeah. I was telling people, we was, bro, we was recording before Pro Tools. Like, and it was just the real.

The real. The real. The little dwarf. The little dwarf you gotta carry around. These kids don't even understand. She's like eight pounds. It was gas and rails before.

I remember when the first Pro Tools rail was rigged, was rigged into the Hit Factory studio. Like, yo, this is some digital shit. Like, some digital shit. Like, nah, we don't need none of the rails no more. We going, yo, this is some digital shit. Like, some digital shit.

Like, nah, we don't need none of the rails no more. We going, like, I remember this vividly. I remember Swiss Beats coming in that same year, that same album recording. That was Cam's first album in Hit Factory. And D and Rough Riders walked in with this young kid, had to be 16, looked like a baby. His name was D-Nephew.

He wasn't even named Swiss at the time. His name was Swiss, but it was more than D-Nephew. So that was the, you had, you better buy a beat. Right, right, right, right. But it's just my nephew. But he came in Cam's studio, started playing some shit. So he sold. I'm on one of those records with Cam.

Cam was, Cam brought his first beat besides the beats that he gave to Rough Rider. He was the first person to buy a Swiss Beast piece. I remember that. I don't want to rhyme. I just want to talk to y'all and shit like that. It's me, Cam, and DMX. That was the first people that talked to me.

Yeah, I'll give it to Cam. I ain't going to take that from Cam. But it's me, Cam, and DMX, yeah. Early in his... Yeah, because it's banned from TV. It's Stop Drop, and I believe it's me cam and dmx yeah early in this year yeah yeah because it's banned from tv it's stop drop and i believe it's glory i believe it's the name of the record but and i'm on that record so i can't take it like hey man hey man what you can't say you like this Yo, yo, listen, I'm about to get you bad. I'm about to get you bad.

This nigga drinking more John Day. Okay, okay. Chinks or pop smoke? I'm going to go with, well, see, let's just drink. Okay, let's drink yeah yeah yeah new york city go to the city that's right god bless both of them individuals our peace our pizza them i bless their family and come and my condolences and all that i know it's hard when you lose someone you date so we can't compare them type of people and they're both great they both did an outstanding

job when they came into this music and they was left prematurely. You know where they was both going. The last album that Chink did, that boy, I didn't even know he was that ill when it came to. You dig? And then Pop Smoke put a whole new wave on top of New York City that right now. If he would have been alive, he would have been that next door. Different type of level of stardom. He was really going there. You know, in New York, every 10 years,

we get the next one. I think I'm aligning right there. Okay, you finally found it. I believe that Pop Smoke was the next one that was going to fill that room. Rest in peace to his family, too. Air Force Ones or Jordans?

Honestly, I'm going to go Air Force Ones. You heard? But the Jordans is good after that. But Air Ones. They just sent me Drake's Air Force Ones. Yeah, but I ain't going to lie. It's nothing different. She just got L Ones. Fire. Yeah, but I ain't going to lie. It's nothing different. Shit just got lover boy.

No. It got lover boy. I was like, I'm going to wear them today. I said, man, I'm going to step on some shit. It's just my luck. So I chill. Piss or Styles P? Let's drink.

Okay. Yeah, let's drink. I need more drink. Let's drink. Jamie, if there for... You can't... What's up with Jamie? I ain't gonna lie, so Styles was my favorite rapper for a long time. And you got an album with him?

I don't have an album with him. I got some cuts for them. Oh, I thought you had an EP or something. We were supposed to. Oh, yeah, I was doing it. We actually got to get it done. This is back in the... So we just take the drink and then finish the story.

Yeah, but Styles is one of my favorite raps i don't know i don't know if um so i'm going to go back in history we're going to history right let's go so i remember maybe about 90 96 maybe six to 97 96 yeah maybe late 95 96 i remember remember Mase used to live uptown. Okay. Kid's called Young Guns from back in the day. Little short stocking kid. It's an apartment. Called Locks.

They was doing music and all that. His name's Stiles and shit like that. He did this verse and then he was like, 100 niggas bad to me, still could shatter me. I'm only getting up, splitting up your anatomy, huh? Yeah, I did that verse, right? But the funny thing was about it, he was in that apartment because that incident, I believe, had happened and shit like that.

Wow. Yeah, I turned around and did the verse and the record and shit like that. And then from there, I was like, the locks and everything started becoming so visible. And then from there, I was like, the locks and everything started becoming so visible. And then I just started listening to Heavy Styles. Like, his shit was cheap. Styles was like, oh, shit. Oh, girl.

Like, Styles was good. Like, oh. He still is a dog. No, no, no. Don't take it away. Don't take it away. I'm not like, go. But Styles was like, to me, he was the lead in the locks

when I first started really, started engaging in the locks. Like, Styles was like, to me, he was the lead in the locks when I first started really, started engaging in the locks. Styles was like, this nigga Styles. And then Jada just started really, started going crazy throughout the years. His flow became so impeccable in the world, playing the things he was touching on. If he was outside and he was getting the cars and getting some money. And you was getting some money was in the getting the cars against This nigga Jada's gone crazy, so there's no way I could like you did like shots the whole lock sauce Sheep to my shink is nice as hell to like you did

You don't get his proper flowers and shit like that, but she'd be going to fuck off all the time We're like he go crazy and shit like that Okay, she be going the fuck off all the time. Like, he go crazy and shit like that. Okay, so New Jack City or Juice? Salud. I like that. I like that.

New Jack City. Okay. Eazy-E or Nipsey Hussle? Damn, my nigga. Salud. I didn't get to, I didn't get to, I never got to meet Eazy-E. But he was one of my favorites of all time.

Right. Eazy. Everybody, everybody. Eazy. Come on, Eazy. Say it. Eazy. You didn't know when he bust through the screen.

Oh, never. I'm just too clever. So in fact, no one can ever. Stop playing with me, easy. You didn't know he bust through the screen. Oh, never. I'm just too clever. So in fact, that no one can ever. Stop playing with me, bro. I've been outside a long time, boy. Video music box. Stop doing that, bro. Easy, family was the first one to see me.

When niggas ain't know what, what's, what's. And I paid. West Coast term, New York niggas out. Stop playing, bro. Stop playing, nigga. When niggas seen them niggas on video music box. Yeah. I remember I said you said some shit with Snoop. Stop playing, bro. Stop playing, nigga. When niggas seen them niggas on video music box. Yeah.

I remember I said you said some shit with Snoop. You said you used to fuck with Snoop, you used to love Snoop. You said you seen him, they caught that body. You was like, all these niggas is really gay. Yo, yo, yo, yo, bro, yo, bro. Nah, nah, nah. Nah, I sleep with that yo, bro. That shit turned you up.

I love, I love, the West Coast certified gangsters, like you dig? Like, I'm a real fan of West Coast music. The Dog Pound, when Daz and them niggas was going crazy and Snoop and them was coming out. Like, bro, what? Bro, Daz and them niggas was some of the nicest niggas on. These niggas was going wild on records back in the days, bro. What? Like, yo.

They had the beats up. Oh, man. And the whole gang banging culture and shit like that just and then and new york just started touching on the whole game which i was just all turned out from the west coast music and shit like that you dig it anymore i got into gang banging the more i was a fan of the west coast and shit like that and then the it became a reality for me like i'm really gang banging and now I'm doing music. And now I'm gangbanging to a point that it's a thing that everybody in the world could see.

And now these niggas from the West Coast that have been gangbanging all their life, and their mama been, and their papa been gang, and their uncles been gangbanging, are now asking questions. Why are these niggas in New York acting like they really gangbanging? These niggas is fake bloods.

Like, really fake bloods. I'm really getting death threats all the way on the East Coast and shit like that. Like, really. Like, I'm getting a bunch of bloods calling me. I'm getting all type of shit going on in the midst of the dip set and really start getting into the heightening of commercializing the gangbanging on the East Coast.

We were responsible for that. And that shit came with, I wouldn't say a price, but it came with questions and shit like that. So it was a point that I had to put on for what we were doing from the East Coast perspective. And I didn't really put on, like, go to the West Coast and do my video in the West coast and really go to the west coast And go to every hood on the west coast and not saying i'm a bad man

There was people that we were calling so we could understand and build a bridge to what we were going on because we were all Gangbanging we were just all killing each other. Anyway, it was just black on black crime that was going on But just on a different side But to build a connection because we were all blood and shit like that was more or less what i was thinking about and like that and that's what i was able to do and i was able to go through california or l.a and meet with some of the most notorious gangbangers out there both crip and blood and that helped build the bridge to what we have today that there's so much east coast and west coast people that have camaraderie that are all gangbanging And shit like that From my observation

Of seeing shit right Like as a fan growing up Like I felt like At first it was like Kind of cool to be Crip Like snooping them As pop and all that It was like cool to be Crip

Then when y'all came out Well you came out You know you repping The bloodshot I feel like around like 0-4-5 Like you start really Going crazy with it Getting lit And from my perspective I feel like around like 0-4-5 Like you start really going crazy

With it getting lit And from my perspective I feel like you influenced The Lil Wayne shit Like you know you Juelz I feel like y'all influenced that A little bit

From who he became Who he became I feel like he was like Shout out to Wayne Shout out to the whole Cash Money That's our family man We got a lot of history with them. I mean, I do believe that Wayne was influenced heavily by what we were doing in Dipset from the way we were walking, dressing, and talking.

The gangbang culture, how fly it was. They was getting some money and shit like that. You dig in, they dove into it and shit like that. I'm not saying I don't know what they was doing before that, but I know there was a change once they started mixing with the dip set whole movement and things like that i love weighing the deaf and shit like that that's the blood shut blood how you feeling to him shit like that that's the that's the guy shouts the bird man too man he's one of the most incredible executives he don't get his flowers the way he should be but um he probably got he he got one of the most retardedest runs inside of this hip-hop history ever in all times. Hands down.

And he's still running. You heard? But they forget the correlation of what he is responsible for and still connected to and still getting paid off of. Right. You know what I mean?

Like, shout-outs to the whole Cash Money. So, Heat Makers or Hit Maker? Shit. I got

albums and relationships with both of them. Heat Makers is actually one person that's arsonist. He's responsible for the whole Dipset sound. So the whole ramped up sample sounds that y'all love Jewels and Cam for and shit like that. That's what he was responsible for.

Hit Maker is actually Youngberg, which we've seen reinvent himself so many times. Being a rapper to now one of the top producers of all time. Let's drink to that. Let's drink to that. And I did a shit album with him.

Back in my prom. Shout out to Prom 112, one of my favorite spots out here. Check that out. You got a drink. Oh, yo. Okay. Push a T or Malice?

Malice. Malice. Malice. They know where it's going. He's got an answer. He's got an answer today. It's a game. We're not here to play. We're not here to watch.

To keep it a buck, I'm going to go with Pusha T. So we're not going to drink to them. But shout out to Pusha T. Very dope artist. Everybody knows he's a monster when it comes to doing music. I can't take nothing away from him. I know everybody's seen everything that was going on recently inside of the media and the internet.

I believe it was cool. One time in my life I got to engage into some verbal warfare and don't have to go beyond that and shit like that. Who knows what he might come up with. He's very crafty and shit like that. Some people react off top. Some people take years to come back.

I seen niggas had beef and wait years to try to kill a nigga. You heard? You heard? It's not always successful, but this is what I'm trying to say, how people try to line people up. But for the most part, I think it was dope. It was cute. I don't know if he actually took a shot at me, but it was cute. It was cute.

It was pointed in that direction. It made me feel a type of way. I wanted to say this for later, but he could always say, you know, Jim, I wasn't talking about you. I mean, and I would be hurt. That would be heartbreaking. I would be so upset. You hurt me bad.

You hurt me bad. You hurt me bad. You were talking about me. Yes, you were. Or mama's you were talking about. Who you were talking about then? Let me stop. I mean, it is what it is, man.

However they want to take it, it is cool. You know what I mean? It's still rap music and shit like that. I've seen Kumo D beefing with her. I'm from that era, your girl. It is what it is. We see what it is.

I put a response out there pretty crafty, I think. I think it was pretty crafty. I think it was pretty crafty. Cheers to me. It's my birthday. That's right. Happy birthday.

But that's not a subject that we got to dwell on. We out of here. We out of here. Alamo or Shamgar? Damn, that's not a subject that we got to dwell on. Yeah, we out of here. We out of here. Alamo or Shamgar? Damn, that's crazy. So I'm going to pick. Oh, you're going to pick?

Yeah. I was going to drink to that. I'm going to pick Alamo. Yo, Alamo is like the lowest hand do I ever see. Hold on, hold on. God bless. Okay, God bless. He did pass away.

And that's not because he passed away. R.R.P. to his soul. I went to high school with Ali Moore. I knew Ali Moore. I watched Ali Moore play basketball with Cam. I watched Ali Moore play basketball in tournaments. He was hands down one of the nicest individuals in basketball in the world. I'm talking about in the world.

I've seen that kid do some things that will never ever be duplicated in basketball at all. I mean, and I don't know if, and there was no Instagram. There was not that era. You just, it was an era that you have to be at. But Ali Mo, the Black Widow, hands down, and you can ask anybody

who's been around since the 90s and watching basketball and street basketball and high school basketball. He like, and no disrespect to Shamgar. Shamgar is one of the illest niggas with a basketball in his hand. His handle, he got basketball moves named after him, you heard? But the moves that Ali Mo was doing, he didn't have no name for. He was doing these shits off the whim.

I took the shot. I'm sorry. You're going to take it. I took the shot, man. I'm going to tell you, like Ali Mo. That was my favorite Rucker Park player. His dribble used to be so low. Talk about it.

His dribble used to be so low. I used to be like, holy shit. How slow was he? Six, five? Yo, listen. When I met him, and I... Yo, I'm getting you bad. You got to get it.

That's four. That's four. He fucking up my dribble. He about to get back to final. I want it to be on camera Jim Jones man You started in four Don't worry about it

Okay This is good This is good This is good shit He says good stuff Digger Or Swiss Beats Digger or Swiss Beats

Yeah We're going to Just get both of them Shout out to Digger Shout out to Digger So if nobody knows Who Six Figure Digger is Six Figure Digger Is the first Producer For camera the boss shout out to digger so if nobody knows who six figure digger is six figure digger is the

first producer for cameron bloodshed i would say mace um from back when he started with children of the corn and as cameron gaining success success those were all the beats that digger was making and things like that um also digger digger the Diplomat logo. So that eagle with the diplomat going through, he created that logo for anybody. Digger. Digger. Six-figure Digger. He created the Diplomat logo.

How about one half of your mustache is gray and the other half is black? You got to get your life together. That's that John Day fucking you up. John Day changed his mustache. John Day changed his mustache. Yay. John Day changed his mustache. John Day changed his mustache, Jim. Okay,all, they changed it. Y'all, they changed it. My mustache. Yay. Y'all, they changed it. Y'all, they changed it.

My mustache. Y'all, they changed it. They mustached it. OK, this is the last one on Quick Time with Sly. And I'm very curious. This is my favorite one. Me and EF, and this is our favorite one that we always ask.

And this is the one that we always feel like is the most simplest. Loyalty or respect? Nate, I'll call you back. Respect? Okay, now we want to break it down. Say respect. Respect is something that's earned and not given.

Somebody could just be loyal to be loyal to something that they want to be a part of. That has nothing to do with the same respect they might have not for you. You heard? Somebody could be loyal to an opportunity and not have no respect for you. You heard? Hold on. Now they say respect.

Let's talk about respect because everybody not might not respect you but i always say that's cool but you're not going disrespect me right you heard right we're going to get that straight off the top right and if you if you try that you're going to learn to respect me all right about this lesson i'm going to give you. Right. You heard? So that's how I feel. But, and being loyal, yes, it's something that's very precious, especially when it's amongst the brotherhood and things like that. And I've been loyal to a flaw

to everything that I attach myself to and anybody that I've attached myself to. And people can't, I wish somebody would say anything about my loyalty to what I've... No, I think no one can question your loyalty. He's saying both.

So you're actually saying both. I'm being honest. That's a good shot. I wouldn't even try. But that was a great fucking answer. That was a great fucking answer. You got to take the shot, though, sir. We're going to take the shot, but...

Respect over loyalty. I'm drinking police. I'm sorry. You did? Because whatever your loyalty is or not, we all going to respect each other. You heard? Yeah. That's a great answer.

Let's make a noise for Ash. Yeah. Yeah. You don't even have to say it. That's what we do. Respect. So, because we only got a little while longer because they got to wrap it up. But one thing that I noticed, right, the verses, I was so hyped.

I can't make it to New York. Fat Joe was calling me, man, we got to be front row. I'm like, because it's some real New York shit. Like, I just smelt the Timberlands from where I was at. Wherever I was at, I smelt. I smelt Timberlands. I smelt sour. Like, I was tuned in.

But the one thing that I noticed about the verses prior to it being recorded was I called you, I called Cam, I called you up. I called Kiss and Styles and they were together. They were together rehearsing. So I automatically knew that was a tiny advantage because, hold on, I'll take a shot with you. Hold on, what the fuck? You can't just go solo on me. Jesus. You're sticking with Bobby Brown.

Come on. Stay with New Edition for a second. We need a couple more shots. We need to do a couple more shots. All right, my bad. Stay with New Edition. Don't go solo yet. Hold on. Do you think that was the reason why?

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I mean, it was a great bag. Right. The type of money he threw at us at the time, man. It was a dope opportunity. But as all them niggas, you know, we think we the coolest niggas and we got it all together all the time, man. Right. We don't, you heard? Right.

It's real. Hard work beats talent every time. Right. And yes, we are super talented individuals, you heard? Right. But when you don't put that work in, you're going to tend to come up short. Right. And I don't think we put enough work in for the task that was at hand because we think we're so cool

and we always conform, Voltron and shit like that. And I place blame on no one. I place blame on all of us and shit like that. You dig? But I see a lot of people say that it was how y'all laid it out. It wasn't that... You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's cool. I think that...

I think it was a great battle all the way up until the end. You dig? I think it was fun. I think it was entertaining. But the fans got a different perspective on what they see and shit like that. It's cool. But I had a great time. But like I said, proper preparation prevents poor performance every time.

Did y'all do it over? We wasn't properly prepared. We didn't rehearse per se. We got together to gather and put a game plan together, but we knew better than, I think we all knew that we could have rehearsed. And they taught us that and shit like that.

When I spoke to kids, when I spoke to Styles, I felt them sweating. I felt like they were serious. And I I felt like they were, they were serious and I was just like, damn, they taking this shit too, like.

Nah, but anybody that's down with Diddy taking it serious, you know, Diddy make people rehearse and prepare for shows or that type of shit. Nah,

I didn't look at that. But the same, the same thing with us, the same thing with Cam. Cam is a menace when it comes to that type of shit, but you know, we all have our disconnects

and shit like that and you know, but I can't take nothing away from the whole world that the locks put in and like yeah you dig it was their time and that was the way it was written and like that and i'm a fan of what they did and like that they look good out there i i took my hat to them what's up you ready for the rematch it was hip-hop that was no no but what, but Jim Jones. Is Jim Jones going to... Is battling Memphis Bleak? I mean... See, now I'm being like...

I don't... Hey, Memphis... Someone's moving the spot. Move my car. Memphis... Yeah, someone's moving. Memphis... Move my car.

JP. I'm sorry, my bad. Shouts to Memphis Bleak. Nigga need that spot. Hurry up before somebody get it. My bad. Memphis Bleak, go ahead., my bad. Charleston, Memphis Bleak. Nigga need that spot. Hurry up before somebody get it. My bad. Memphis Bleak, go ahead. Charleston, Memphis Bleak.

Yeah, Memphis Bleak working. He ain't no slouch. He put in a lot of work. He got some hits, but I don't think that he's ready for the type of shit that would go on in the verses with me on that type of forum

and shit like that. I really like people tend to look over the catalog that I have and shit like that. I tend to look over the catalog that I have and shit like that. I really make classic albums. Tim against French? Platinum hits.

Now, that'd be dope. French got hella hits. But in New York City, we could go up. You heard? We could go up in New York City. It'd be a battle. I would love to do something like that. But then French got some big, big, big-ass hits.

I can't take away from him and shit like that. You dig? He definitely put the work and he deserved it. I'm just saying that I got a hell of a catalog and the form that was set if you put me in New York City

and that type of form and shit like that, I do believe that Capital will have a lot of tricks up under his sleeve because I got some undeniable hits and then I got some

undeniable New York hits. A lot of them. You dig? And that's hard to beat when you in the town. You know what I mean? If you and Francis battling, who is Drake coming out with? Because Drake owe you a show.

I mean, I don't have any records with Drake, but if Drake was to come out with French, that would definitely be a hell of a cheat code. You heard? That would be a super cheat code. That light-skinned shit. God damn, super light-skinned shit. Super light-skinned shit. See, that's what I'm saying.

So it's like God damn Like you dig But I definitely Would have a great time Inside of New York Shout out to French But I do believe that There's other people

That French would go up against That he would He would definitely Give them a run for their money And shit like that Like he He's earned the respect As far as the hits

That he's put out And the music That he's put out To go up against A lot of people And shit like that When it comes to That type of form

And he could do it anywhere because he got them type of heads. Right. Right. Yeah. You know, I keep it funky, man.

I ain't really got no... You dig? You know what I mean? We gonna talk about it. We gonna talk about it. We always gonna keep it 100 down the line. To Zeke.

Uh-huh. Zeke been down for so long. Y'all dig that. With his clit. Big J. That's... That's all of it. That's all of it. Big James, that's... That's all of it.

Jadig. No way, man. Jadig great. Just like that. Well, he been down for so long. He's been loyal with the people so long.

And he rap. He done all of that. Zeke don't rap? Can I say... Can I say... Can I say something? Before we get out of here because I always like to...

I always like to promo. I'm about to start. It's a loyal time. I'm going to get out of here because I always like to promo. I'm about to start. It's a loyal time. Y'all, I'm so sorry. Ja Day! Ja Day got it, man. Ja Day, baby. Ja Day got it.

Ja Day, he kept going after the goat. Send that case. I just want to say that I'm about to start shooting a late night variety show with a live in studio audience. When I say variety show, we got characters and stuff with it, so I want people to look out for this late night show. I mean a real late night show,

like Arsenio Hall and Living Color type of shit. Been working on it for a while. We're about to start shooting at the end of August. I've been into this whole making television shows. I call you all this whole Yeah I love it Making television shows I call you all the time Yeah I love it I love it

It's way better than rap I just want to tip my hat to you And give you your flowers Before any I mean while we have The opportunity Because what you've been doing Is a hell of a job

I've seen you Turn your life around A lot of different times And this one it seems like You really figured out Where you need to be at And where you're going And shit like that

You know what it is I could open shop it seems like you really figured out where you need to be at and where you're going and shit like that. I love it. I love it. You know what it is? I can open shop and set up shop and close shop whenever I want. And, you know,

I got tired of, like, doing shows. You know when you do shows with other people? Like, you don't know if these people are there to see them or to see you.

I sort of hate that. I'm too greedy. The best part about this is I see you happy. Yeah, I'm happy as a motherfucker. I see a whole different Nori from this. Yes, yes of hate that. I'm too greedy. The best part about this is I see you happy. Yeah, I'm happy as a motherfucker. I see a whole different Nori from this. Yes, yes. The Nori I grew up with. I mean, we all get older.

Yes, of course. We change every 10 years. Of course. But to see where you at, making boss moves, you putting people in position to win. Yes, thank you. You hiring people. I see you hire your son. Speaking of you hiring your son, this is my son's t-shirt. His clothing line is called. Who buying that? Oh, God, why? Oh, hire your son. This is my son's t-shirt. His covalent line is called. Who buying that?

Oh, God, why? That's fire. Who is that? Oh, that's fire. That's crazy. That's fire. 27 years of existence and stuff like that. His covalent line is called.

And he put something over your face, so he don't got to get your royalties. He's L. If anybody else could use the diplomat logo, it's definitely him. So, you know, just like I see you put your son in a position and things like that, I've been working side to side with my son for years to try to figure out what he want to do when he finally got something. So I'm excited to pipe him up. And he got a license, too. He definitely got his license.

He's been trying to take the range out. Like, yo yo let me just go to the store and it's funny when you're not a parent until you're a parent and me going through this whole car situation with him and maybe i'm too no i've been wanting to buy i've been wanting to buy him a car but you know as a, I want to make sure that he's safe while he's driving. So I'm like, nah, bro, you got to drive a leader for like a month. You got to show me that you're ill behind the wheel before I buy you this vehicle and shit like that. And I'm thinking to myself, maybe I'm doing too much because I see other parents buying their kids cars and things like that. But I'm just like, I would never know I would be that parent to be like that to my son. But shit, I love him the definition like that, but I thank you for this opportunity to be here Sonny D, DT. Pause, pause, pause. Whenever I'm in Miami, they make sure that I'm protected and I get home safely

to and from your earth. I want to shout out the whole Miami and shit like that. We out here, you know, I love them to death. It is my birthday weekend. We all going up. And we going up.

And I'm hanging out with you. I'm hanging out. I'm hanging out with you. And I'm celebrating my 25th anniversary of my first album, too. I'm celebrating it with you. That means that

we was probably on the road together on your birthday. I was there. I was there. You were there, yes, yes. It was amazing though. And you was in band for a TV session when I was there. I was there. I was there. I was there. I was there. You were there. Yes. It was amazing though. And you was in a band for a TV session when Cam came in.

Listen to me. Whenever I go through my shit and shit like that, sometimes I sit back at home and I'll be like, nigga. Who the fuck is you really mad about? Like, bro, like, nigga. Like, nigga, what? Like, showing up your face. Like, come on.

Like, I got a problem of being grouchy and shit like sometimes I gotta sit back like nigga you are you are you did pretty good for yourself boy like you really know where you from bro

like the shit that you beat right here like we all champions out here like we all been a hell of a adversity and we coming out on top right now

you dig like everyday everyday ain't gonna be our best you know as long as we strive to be better the next day

and shit like that I always got a conscious effort in my strive to be better the next day and shit like that, I always got a conscious effort in my mind to be better. Like, I have this thing, like, I've been giving back so much because I got to take a lot. So before I go, I want to know that I gave more than I took. Jamie, I need a shot for that. Where she at? Jim, I'm the first.

That was hard. That was hard. I'm so sorry. This nigga done got a job. This nigga trying for a job. This nigga trying for a job. Shouts to Hot Towers. We done smoked all the back out of this spot.

All the body. Shouts to Smokes, man. All the body. Pack out. So, what... And this is pretty much the last question, but we've been doing it next to the last. So what would it take for us to get

a full-fledged, dip-set album right now? What would it take? I ain't going to lie. From my perspective, if it was a perfect world and I could have things my way, it would take us, for me, for just how I would see it, and I know that it would be, in my eyes, it would take us, for me,

this is how I would see it, and I know that it would be, in my eyes, it would turn into a hell of a success. It would take us partnering up with the right person, whether it be a label, someone who has the best interest

to see us win. You dig? And once we have a sound blueprint of that, and I have to say that it's about the money, but money makes this shit move when it comes to doing music,

and there's a certain aesthetic that we want to see, and there's a certain type of sound that people want to hear and we ain't trying to cheat the people and things like that you know and i think a lot of that is what's been going on in the past years of us doing these diplomats installments and things like that because we're so used to having this whole independent layout but i think that we put so much work in and things like that that the people deserve a real diplomat album and that's not going to happen until we have a sound partner that could put up the bill to make the documents the way that needs to be seen and like that you know what i mean and that's just that fan my diplomat album i want y'all in the studio together no we're going to do it

for like the past seven years i've been having this plan of how to get this Diplomat album done and shit. I go to Hawaii. I want shit like that. You dig? But everybody together, wherever we go and shit like that, you dig and really encompass the sound of who we are. It's always been a universal sound. And the way the music is moving now, the way we can merge the music with some of the younger

up and coming artists and some of the most powerful artists going on and shit like that. A lot of these artists that are real fans of what we've done in for as diplomats and shit like that which they i speak to a lot of them all the time and shit like that and i think that if we mix all this music together and really give these people a real dope diplomat album and shit like that of both what they been missing and everything that they listen to right now and shit like that but on the highest level of making music which we can't do and shit like that you know what i mean you know what i mean like really like really like like the stomp is out here like the real step is you know what i mean i was raised on this side look like my uncle is a rapper yeah i'm feeling bad about it who

your favorite i'm like yo dimak. Must be mad at y'all. They be like, yo, Demzak. Fuck out of here, you know what I'm saying? And I think, I'm a lot, I think, with no shade, I think we deserve it. You did like, you did like, we've been through a whole lot of ups and downs and things like that, but I don't think that we really, after our first album, I don't think that we, as a whole, we never really got a chance to really

go through what we know how to do and shit like that. We all started getting so much money at that time. People forget, we're all separate entities that start going platinum on ourself and together. You heard? It wasn't just Cam breaking in the door anymore. It's all of us breaking in the door. I don't think it's new glass. You know what I mean?

And money clouds the situation. I don't know if you got any money, if you ever really got some money. If you really got some money and you're doing it with a, you know how it goes, it clouds a situation. And it really jades you, especially at a young age when you don't have no guidance. And that was one of the things that we really missed as we was coming up. Not to say that whatever happened happened, but we never had no OGs. You know how it was. We was just trial and error. I learned everything as we went along and shit like that.

You and Cam's relationship remind me of me and Capone a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're brothers, but it's just like we have opinions on our brothers. Because you're my brother, I still have an opinion against you. You know what I'm saying? Or for you. Zeke, let me ask you a question. When you see them going through whatever they're going through,

what is your opinion on it? My opinion, I really think motherfuckers need to call each other and just holler at each other. Get the mic. They need to just call each other and holler at each other on their own time. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people over here say shit

and a lot of people over here say shit. I think they just need to go pick up and meet me let me see Zeke the type of nigga be like I call Zeke like yo this nigga get me I go crazy like yeah I'm right here with him right now you want to tell him what he said what exactly what he said he don't he don't he don't have no sides in this whole situation. I can tell. That was one of the most beautiful things that we have when it comes to Zeke. He came for both of y'all.

He's the bridge for everything. He's the common denominator between all of us. He never picks a side. And he has his own gripes with all of us, too. Right. You heard? Zeke, you heard? You heard?

Zeke, you imagine what Zeke got to go through in the midst of everybody. Yeah, that's why. I'm thinking about him. You know what I mean? He never really got his full opportunity to reap all the benefits that we got to because he was locked up at the time when we was at the height of our career and shit like that. So when we was getting millions of dollars and shit like that

and going crazy and shit like that, he came in on the tail end of it and he missed everything so at that point it's like imagine what you know what i mean but this my boy right here we we back at it i think people really don't understand the importance of all of y'all being together. Like, you know, you came in rapping late in the game, but people don't understand, like, the shit talking, the ad-libs, the background of you, Zeke. Like, niggas don't, well, me as a fan, I know how important that is. I wanted to hear all that. Like, all of that count. After the diss record, you talking shit, you wearing, like, that's Dipset. It ain't just Cam. It ain'tipset. It ain't just Cam.

It ain't just Els. It ain't just you. It ain't just Free. Dipset was definitely all of us. We always say that. And we got the right to say that, all of us. You heard? Dipset ain't about you, nigga.

You heard? Right. We all have the right to say that. And we always say that about all of us. Even Jewels and shit like that. You did whenever we in the midst of whatever like Dipset is never about one man. It was

about all of us. You heard? We made that thing move as a whole and shit like that. You know what I mean? So, shout out to Jewels Santana. I ain't gonna lie, we need some more music, Jewels. Listen to me, listen to me. I fight with Jewels every day, but I do know he got a whole album that he got done,

and I'm talking about he got all the steps on it. I mean, I'm talking about... Every time he goes up into the studio, I text him. I'm like, stop. He's in the... I text him like... I can't, I can't. That's like, you know, showing somebody to drop.

But I do know... Yeah, I got it. I do know that he was in the midst of a deal. Yeah, I'm like, come on, drop that shit. I do know he was in the midst of a deal, and he was finishing up, but he definitely has some music, but I feel like you feel for so

many years and shit like that, but Shia LaBeouf is your favorite rapper? Always my favorite rapper. That boy still could go with shit like that. Who's your favorite rapper of all time? Of all time? I got so many rappers that meant so much to me and shit like that. You dig? Look, let me say it before you answer that. I can't really just say one, but if it all

encompassed one, it would be five. Hold on, before you answer this, right? Listen, like, it's a lot of rappers that influence me or I hear their music. It makes me want to do this. It makes me want to. But like, you overall, like, you my favorite rapper? Or the fact of your whole style. It wasn't like just the rap.

It was the style. It was the style. It was the shit talk and it was the demeanor, the attitude overall. So when I'm asking you that, it's a bunch of rappers. I know Jay-Z's one of the greatest, but you my favorite rapper

because of everything in the whole. So I want to know who influenced you as a whole. When I hear you saying, yo, I keep 20 in the pocket, light change, I'm like... He's still rocking cornrows. He's still rocking cornrows. He's still rocking cornrows.

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it wasn't not boys george i mean boy george is one of them but directly it was like them type of cats and my hood it was like first and then it was like pop on 113th street and then it was like big day it was like big dave i don't know if you're familiar with big dave big dave uh on l l cool j's one of his covers he got big days, Mercedes Benz. It was a black Mercedes Benz. This is the type of individuals that we grew up wanting to be like. My man Dita that took us to the tunnel when we was 15, 16 and shit like this. These niggas all going to the tunnel with drug money and skipping line and getting on the express line and shit like that. These are the people that really shaped who I wanted to be like and shit like that and then when it came to the music and shit like that the

energy that i was getting it was like so snoop was like one of the first people that i've really like snoop and and and and nas like they really like okay snoop because you still came in together man snoop is deep when deep cover came out and to get you and Nas together, man. Snoop is deep. When Deep Cover came out and this nigga came out on Deep Cover and the way he started rapping, I was like, what the fuck is going on? And then he came back with the braids. I'm like, nah, this nigga is cold. Like, who is this nigga?

You heard him then. Snoop bought you to get braids? Yeah, Snoop was. That's why I got braids. And then Nas was like, yo, Nas. So in high school, it was me and Zeke. Like, when he did the barbecue and shit like that. When he did that barbecue, it was like, yo, who the fuck is this? Like, why is he talking about what we doing?

Like, this is like, you dig? Like, they were like, so it was like, then it started. Then like, and then Pac disembodied the fly cocky gangbanging shit. Like, Snoop was gangbanging, but Pac made that shit feel like, I just, like, nigga, what? Like, yo, bro, Pac, like, I got into my first fight with Pac,

like, yo. I never met Pac. Her, went upstairs, listened to Pac and MC Bree, I gotta get mine, you gotta get yours, I gotta get mine, you gotta, and went downstairs to have my first fight off that

as a teenager Like yo That type of shit Pac was doing to me And shit like that Like really like Oh my god Like yo

And then And then it was like And then it was like Jay And it was like Jay cause the niggas Started figuring out How to hustle

And make some money And that shit Jay started talking about Was like Oh nah These niggas Is getting this money And then it was this Gang banging And getting money And then I'm no these niggas is getting this money and then it was just gangbanging and getting money and then I'm dealing

with niggas that was gangbanging and getting real money oh Pete my man light and shit like that like it was like so many so I really can't put my hands on one rapper but the most influential that probably would say would be like pop because I was so rebellious yeah and I wanted to be like pop and then big had the big chapter in my life also because he was kicking all that New York shit and shit like that like and then he was teaching you about how to kick it to the bitches and shit like that was one thing I learned from Big was like a lot of a lot of game on how to kick it to the bitches like Big had a lot of game for

the bitches and shit like that this early Skanky era and shit like that I don't know if these niggas know about Skanky know about skate keys like 93 94. but yeah but i mean uptown it was on allentown and like that this is this one was going to the ring the grink in new jersey so the hustlers and like that would go to the rink in new jersey the rink in new jersey was over at two for speed from the rink all the way back to the skate key and meanwhile we 14 and 15 saving up crack money getting cabs on hold you dig and this was one thing cam And it was advanced and cam and honey six god bless honey six shit Everybody know who study see honey was super advanced honey

How do you and Cammy's niggas was in a kind club when they was 13 14 like this what Harlem was all about? So when you be like Influenced our influences is really everything that was going on in the street and shit like that. And then starting to watch these rappers and shit like that just gave us so much energy about what we wanted to be like and who we wanted to be like and shit like that. But Jay and Pac and really, really coming up. And then I remember Wu-Tang. Well, I remember when Raekwon put out the purple tape. And this is when Cam was living with me in 5H. And when we got that purple tape, we put that CD in.

God bless my grandmother when she passed away. We put that CD in the little shit we had by the kitchen. That purple tape, when I tell you, that purple tape played for the whole summer, and nobody touched that radio. You hear what I'm saying? It played for the whole summer and nobody touched that radio you hear what i'm saying it played for the whole summer on repeat nobody touched the radio that purple pack nigga i heard like that shit went

crazy and then them niggas did videos in harlem i'll break this whole table like yo bro when them niggas was doing ice cream and all that shit in harlem and the woot thing was coming through like you felt like you felt like you was a part of something. Like, yo, them niggas is up the block. And then they coming through behind mad dust from the projects

and they coming through behind mad dust from 140th Street. Like, yo, but this is all hip-hop but it's part of street shit too. So you know how we feeling. Like, it's like, you dig it?

This is all in Harlem and this is what I mean. Like, the streets really infected us at a young age and shit like that. Like, we all been outside. Me, outside me Z cam all of us that came up We really been outside any streets going to clubs buggers like

14 to 15 trying to get in clubs trying to get money trying to get fresh trying to be grown I think like this is where we embody and shit like that like I mean and I'm just writing right now Yeah like that, but how important that was to the music that I do on top of the rappers that influenced me. But the Streets was the biggest influence that I had because at that time we got to witness some hella fire shit. Six Five. On Music Choice, it gives different quotes from rappers that I guess they must ask questions or say.

You said one of your biggest regrets is not believing in yourself earlier. Salute. Like, you know, earlier. So did you ever see yourself being where you at right now? Like, as a rapper? Or did you always kind of think, like,'m gonna just support my man and i i like so i remember i used to have this saying and shit like that that i wasn't famous but all the famous people gonna know me and then i was like i'm not famous but now all the famous people know me like i always

knew that my life was going to take a road that was going to be different from anybody else and i was going to be very influential i always felt that from a young age, from when my mama instilled that in me and shit like that. I never knew that it would be through rap music and I never knew it would be the opportunity, but I'm real about, I always been about energy since I was younger and I always see opportunities before they come. And when I heard Cam and Bloodshed and Mae start to rap

when we was like 15, when Cam moved to the east side and his cousin R.I.P. Bloodshed. I used to pay him quarters to do freestyle. And not to say it like that, nigga, we ain't had no money, but this was a thing. I got a quarter for you, 16 and shit like that. When I started hearing what these niggas was doing at that young age and they was doing Children of the Corn and they was being real serious and then it started going into Herb McGruff and the Big L and all that type of shit. I was like, I got to stay close to these niggas. Oh shit. All mamas like, all mamas like with a little bit that doors that were opening when they

were younger and shit like that and me being around the beat and seeing it be in the game, I was like, I need to be a part of this shit. Like, I gotta, I gotta stay close because this is

where I need to be. this, I can do this shit. Right. Like, and I didn't even know how to rap at the time. Right.

You see the vision. But I knew who I was. Like, nigga, I could do this shit without rapping. I just need, these people need to know

who I am. They gonna feel me. You do this shit without rapping. I just need, these people need to know who I am. They're going to feel me. You heard me. I just knew that from very beginning, before we even had opportunities. And then as opportunities started getting close, I knew that Cam... The American West with Dan Flores is the latest

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We are out of here. We just got to make sure that we keep him safe and everything is going to be okay. And that was always my plan. You heard it. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. No, no, no. I got to get it out now.

Hold it, hold it. I got, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold it, hold it. Hold it, hold it. Hold it. Have you been invited on Cam's show yet? Nah, I haven't been invited on the show.

The show is dope though. I can't, I can't. The show is dope. I can't lie. You dig, they, you know, them niggas do no sports and they do no basketball and shit like that. And what they're doing is no different from what we do on the block and shit like that. And that's why it's so dope because that's the same banter that niggas have about sports right in front of

bodega right on the stoop in the same lane with the same way niggas snapping in the midst of like it's just you did but they real serious about the points they did points and angles when it comes to sports and these players they they know they shit and shit like that so it's dope i do believe that they're going to get a super super dope big check off i sure hope so yeah hell yeah i. So it's dope. I do believe that they're going to get a super dope big check off of it. I sure hope so. Yeah, hell yeah. I think so. It's getting the notoriety. I mean, this is where it's going.

We want our news from us. We want our... Whatever we get, we want... Our information. It should always come from us. Come from the culture. Our culture... God bless Skip Bayless.

We love him. But fuck that. If I got to pick,, God bless Skip Bayless. We love him. But I fucked that. If I got a pick, I'm going Cam. I'm going, I'm supporting Killer. I'm supporting Mase.

I don't know Skip Bayless. I don't know. All I just know is, and then Cam and him got me thinking he racist now because

he wants the black knowledge. Not that he racist, but he wanted you, our culture. The culture culture. Speaking of racist, I tell people you out of culture. The culture won't show. Speaking of racist, I tell people this all the time.

Hip-hop is its own race. I always say that. I always say that. It's its own race. It's its own culture. We got our own dialects. It's a certain language that we got that

everybody knows unanimously. And it be different dialects. So if you come down here to Miami, what they say might be different from what they say in Chicago, but everybody know what the fuck niggas are saying and shit like that.

It's all hip hop. It's all hip hop. Let's take a shot to that. Never be racist. Let's take a shot to that. Yo, Jones, let me just tell you something. You can never be racist. Like I said, man, I'm so proud of you.

I'm so proud of your consistency. I'm so proud of your hustle. Damn, you ain't test none of that last one. Nah, let's clap it up for Zekeustle. Damn, you ain't test none of that last night. Nah, that's fine. Let's clap it up for Zeke Sobriety, you heard me? Yeah. That's your rosé, though, ain't it? Yeah, that's it.

That was his place in front of him, but his place in front of me now. Happy birthday, bud. This is your birthday. We couldn't have picked a better day to interview you because Drink Champs started out with just giving people flowers flowers and

you know people that's been in the game 10 years or more but now it's really about celebrating and I'm so proud to celebrate you

like I'm so proud to like give you your roses cause one not because you're my friend because you deserve it

like you a loyal dude. I watched it for 25 fucking years. I watched it. I ran with this set. I believe our first fucking tours is together. I believe, like, our first run is together. So for me to see you from there and to see where you at now and to still be that same nigga. Like, just smaller and wiser.

I'm so proud of it. Thank you, my brother. You know, and I'm so happy that this platform has got bigger and bigger and bigger. So where I say this now, now it means something. You tell me.

Because I always say this. It always means something. I always say this. It always means something when it comes from... I always say this about you, but now that this platform has become just bigger, we can't control it now.

I'm so glad to give you this platform. I'm so glad to tell you how much you mean to the culture, how much you change the culture. You know what I'm saying? Not just Dipset, but about you on your own. The influence. On your own.

And you deserve your flowers. You deserve this. This is real talk. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like I said, I was always with you, but it was always

some young niggas from my hood telling me, like, nigga, we rocking the dip set. I'm like, we rocking the Chip Jones and you have the niggas

wearing them funny jeans and shit. And you have niggas wearing them belts. Them belts, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? You know, I was like, damn, man,

these niggas got everybody, man. They got everybody. And the coach, that's so dope. That's so dope. It's so dope what you did. It's so dope what you're doing. And one thing for sure,

two things for certain, people from our era could do whatever, but you got a hit record now in this era. Yeah. Yeah, shout out to Takeoff, man. Trust me.

Once again, man. All people from our generation is looking back and saying, this nigga got a hit. Now. And you relevant, most importantly. You relevant.

Like, bro, that's why everybody doing shows. You sitting around doing other shows because niggas can't go back in the studio and make that. And you making it and you making it with niggas who want to

make it with you. You fucking with niggas who want to be around you. Y'all dudes change the world, and you continue to change the world every day. I want to tell you face-to-face, man to man, how proud I am of you, but face-to-face, man to man, you deserve it.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, brother. I take all those flowers. I appreciate you, my brother. Thank you, my brother. Because you know what? There was a time you was humble.

There was a time you was almost too humble. You was always playing in the back seat. And you're in the driver's seat now. I'm still trying to be humble, but it's hard. I mean, you know what I mean? In this game, humble don't work too much if you're trying to get your point across. But in life, you need to be humble when you're dealing with life. You trying to get your point across. But in life, you need to be humble when you're dealing with life.

You got to be obnoxious and humble at the same time. You got to balance. It's balance. It's balance. But I'm grateful for this rap game. I can't say that. It saved my life so many times

and it's still saving my life. Like, it put me in a position like no other, you dig? Like, I don't know if people understand what it is to be where we at or to be able to been through the things we've been through. Like, when I go home every night and see that I can still feed my family, like, it's like, you know, I'm...

You got a last shot. You know what I mean? You got a last shot over there. A last shot? I'm about to drink this. Ain't no more shots. Here, tap this up. We're going to take a shot.

I just want to say hip-hop has been a savior to me, man. I know it's been a savior to you, man. I appreciate you. I'm going to give you your flowers at the same time. They got me drunk. It's my birthday.

Shouts to everybody that helped me get here because it's not just me by myself. People like to say I did this all by myself and I did not do this all by myself

and I never say I, I always say we, because I got a team behind me, urgent, I believe in, and they believe in me. You heard me. And you can tell, I leaned off of him being Puerto Rican, I only sing happy birthday in Puerto Rican. I see that.

I don't even know that one. Happy birthday, Happy birthday, Happy birthday to you. Well, I ain't gonna lie. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to you. That's my way of sneaking in the black one. The black one. Puerto Rican and black.

I got a Spanish album coming out, too, so I just wanted to put that out there. That's right. I see that. I'm on the way. I see Jack. I see Jack. I saw a good couplewagon. Rapper! I see jazz pooper. I see jazz pooper. Thank you. I see jazz pooper.

I tried to get a couple dollars, man. I see jazz pooper. Well, shout out to you, man. Let me just say something. Nephew, I appreciate you, my brother. You dirty. Nephew go hard for me, bro. You all right?

For a lot of years, for a lot of years. For a lot of years, yeah. Let me just tell you something. Let me just tell you something. That was the funnest time in my life doing a Spanish album. Everyone in our community laughed at me. Everyone criticized me. Even my right-hand man,

EFM, Fat Joe, they sat me down in meetings and was like, fuck them niggas. Do not do that music. I did the music and I started to notice nobody got stabbed at the end did the music and I'm starting to notice nobody got stabbed at the end of the night I was like did not I didn't do a good show cuz that's how I felt like I did a good show so I got your stab like the tunnel

boost me you open up a you bro you open up a door like that's like oh yeah like you open a Pandora's box my listen it. Oh, listen, it's so much money there. Bro, it's like a lot of finger poppers. You know, when you come to a party. That's me. That's me. That's me. You open up the party. That's me.

That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me.

That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me.

That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me.

That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me.

That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me.

That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me.

That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. How does it feel though?

How does it feel? To be you right now. No, no, no. I would like to be me. I'm I. To be you right now. Oh, I'm I. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm I.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just busted out these watches. Like, you know, I'm not into it. I'll be into it for what I make sure. But yeah, I got the watches. Only three of these made in the world. These niggas ain't got this.

Which one? Which number is that? Like you said, it's Alex Tarr. Shout out to Alex Tarr. Shout out to Alex Tarr. Shout out to Alex Tarr. Big sauce, deep foam. Shout out to Alex Tarr.

That's why you had to deal with Alex Tarr as well. Yeah, that's my guy right there. You still with Saucy or? You still with Saucy. You still got them capos in the stores. That's right. That's right, bro. Shout out to Alex Saucy.

Jim, once again, man, let me just say it again, man. I'm really proud of you. I really brag about you. You know what I mean? Like, I tell motherfuckers. A lot of people always want to be Jordan. And Jordan is great. But Scottie Pippen lived a hell of a life.

You know, he's great. What is Jordan without Pippen? Nobody can't be great without that capo. Without that right hand man. No one is great without that right hand man. And you, like I said, Tony Ayo.

I mean, everybody's position, right? You got that one person that's always going to do what nobody else is willing to do for you. Right. And when you understand your position, it's going to be great on the other side. I've been through a lot. I was able to make... Like, nigga, I wasn't a rapper, bro. Like, so for me to sit here and talk to you, and I know you for being a...

Like, you dig? Now you one of the illest rappers out. Nigga, let me say that. And you got a hit right there. Nigga, the radio station... The radio station didn't know I was interviewing you. I was going to the... And we said, the trends comes on. I said, this nigga,

that's crazy. Nah, you's crazy. Because right before, whenever we do an interview, we put the music on in here and I put the music on. So we analyzed the person. But I'm talking about as soon as we got on, we got in the car,

we said the trends was on. And I was just like, holy shit. This motherfucker was doing it in the 90s and doing it now. What you're doing has been unprecedented. Keep doing your motherfucker thing. Jones, we love you. Me personally,

I'm going to push for that Diplomat album. I want y'all niggas to go. We're going to get it together. We're going to get it together. You know why? Because everybody got good energy right now. Everybody's doing good at what they do right now. You dig? Everybody's in their own lane. Everybody's flourishing and shit like that. So I do believe we'll get a Diplomat album. You dig? I mean, you know what I mean?

But shout out to all my brothers. You heard? I wouldn't be nothing without them. I wouldn't be here without them. And that's 100% a fact and shit like that. So it's Dipset. So we die. Shout out to all my VL, Vampire Life, all my Ooters. Ooh, ooh. I got some music coming out. I got some incredible artists. You should look out for us. We about to start bombing and shit like that. And that's what I'm most excited for.

I got a group of artists that's about to kick ass. Like, I've been working hard. They've been working hard. And we're going to go up, man. Besides everything else I've been doing, Drip Report is on Revo. I'm about to shoot the late night show. You heard?

I got Joc. I got Joc. I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got glasses. I got, I got hot tolerance. You heard? Huh? Nah, it's different flavors. It's different flavors. Oh, I got you.

Right now. But yeah, what you're working for. I always rock mine. I was going to. But man, let's do it. Yo, man, we proud of you. Let's wrap it up, right? Yeah!

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