Drink Champs - Episode 381 w/ Memphis Bleek

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the legendary, Memphis Bleek!Drink Champs Alumni, Memphis Bleek joins us again and shares legendary stories of his career, Roc-A-Fella records and much much more!Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!Listen as we continue to celebrate 50 Years of Hip-Hop!!Make some noise for Memphis Bleek !!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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what up goopy hope you're sweetest to me it's your boy n-o-r-e what up it's dj efn and this is drink champs Yabriyawa Make some And right now Let me just tell you something We've been going through This man This biography And a lot of people

Sleep on him Because they don't know He got hit After hit After hit I've been listening to his His records For many days

And many days and many days, and I'm sitting there saying, when is my record with him coming up? Because that's how much joints he got. People sleep. They understand he's one of the most loyalist people. He's one of the most realist. Shit, I spoke to him in COVID. He was ready for verses.

He had rhymes and bars. Oh, I'm ready. I'm still ready. He's was ready for He was ready for verses Oh oh oh He had rhymes and bars Oh I'm ready I'm still ready He's still ready I'm still ready Whoever want that smoke He's been out here I've known him since 1998

He's one of the most Best people I've ever met He's came out here Big hits Big love Big energy In case you don't know What we talking about

It's about the one The motherfucking Oni Motherfucking B My man My James And don't forget what we're talking about, it's about the one, the motherfucking only, Mr. Motherfucking Bleach! My man. My James. And don't forget, Drink Champs alumni. Drink Champs alumni. That's right.

We're over here. You know what I mean? Hip Hop 50, we got to give it up. Like the Woo Syndicate, I might be Drink Champs Syndicate. You know what I'm saying? Drink Champs La Familia. Yeah, yeah. But Bleach, I swear to God, I'm not exaggerating.

You know, when we do an interview, we do our artist playlist. Yeah. Right? So we go through a whole artist discography. Your shit just paused. This shit just kept going. I was just like, wait a minute.

Like, doesn't it stop somewhere? Nah. Niggas sleep on me, man. They don't try to give me my credit. It's cool. Big homie get all the credit. You know? Without the goon squad with him, I don't think y'all would have known he was that real you know what i mean

and i was trying to count them are you you have the most Jay-Z features ever? Yeah, I think so. They had them up on the list, like on Twitter a while back, who got the most and who got the best. I got, I think, about 24, 25 features with Hov. I'm out, my nigga. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Because I'm watching you on TMZ the other day.

I'm stalking you. You landed in L.A. Homie pulled up on you and said, is this Mimple League and Jay-Z album ever going to happen? Was it an EP? Yeah, yeah. Because I had never heard of that. No, no, no, no.

That was from him. That was his idea. Oh, the TMZ dude. Yeah, he suggested that. He made that up. Yeah, he was just like, I love that, right? That's what I said. Yeah, that was a good one.

He made that up right there on the spot. And I'm like, shit, I should have tried that at a Honey. That's a good move with a hat. I love that, right? That's what I said. Yeah, that was a good one. He made that up right there on the spot. And I'm like, shit, I should have tried that at a hundred million, not a billy. Word. You know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna lie. Yo, Hov, let me get a verse. I can hear that right now. Ha, yo, you bugging.

Pop that. Yo, crack that duce, my nigga. Yo, let's go to, let's go, let's go spend some money. You bugging. Right. Okay, but let me just be clear with you. As I'm digging into You got like a whole album

You got a double album With him I do People don't give credit I do have an album With Hov The Dynasty album Yeah the Dynasty album

Is a collaboratory album Of all of us Damn you right You know what I'm saying Emile is on that as well Nah Emile ain't make The Dynasty album Emile ain't make

The Dynasty album Nah she ain't make The Dynasty album Free Nah, she ain't make the Dynasty album. Freeway was the new addition on the Dynasty album. Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. So, look.

Do we got the computer? Oh, shit. We going in. We dig. Hold on. Hold on. Oh, before the computer. Can we give him a drink?

Can we give him a drink? Before the computer. Give him a drink. The crate's done went digital. I'm assuming there's joints that never came out that you got together. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We got a couple joints, man joints that never came out that you got together. Oh, yeah, yeah. We got a couple joints, man.

It's a joint that we did over. Shout out to homie Lethal Bizzo over there in London. He had a major, major record called Pow. That me and Hov, like when we. Yo, are you kidding me? Listen, listen, the whole thing was with Bleak coming here, we're going to give him Hennessy and let's see his reaction.

Guess what? It was perfect. It was perfect. That's exactly what I'm telling you. Listen, we set him up. We said we're going to bring him to Hennessy. I said, watch Bleak's loyalty. I didn't have to say that. That was exciting. I said, look, that was so perfect. Of course, we're going to bring him in this year. I said, watch Bleak's loyalty. I didn't have to say that.

That was exciting. I said, look, that was so perfect. Of course, we got the do say for you, my brother. We got the do say for you. Now we rolling. And let's just be clear. I just seen Bleak in the Mafia Coast. Not like I seen you there.

You know what I'm saying? I spoke to you. You told me some spots. You told me about the 100 steps. You know what I'm saying? I spoke to you. You told me some spots. You told me about the 100 steps. You know what I mean? You put me on game. Yes, yes, yes. But I ain't going to lie, Bleak.

I stay in the hotel. You and your homies went to the big boy mansion type shit. Yeah, we tried to do it. It was my 45th. You know I wanted to do it right. I didn't get to really celebrate my 40th because my baby girl was born. So I had to blend them both this time, do something different. Movie star shit

Because he don't go out of seas Unless it's like Out of seas? Overseas You don't travel? Yeah man This guy's bugging Now listen

He vacationed on the other side of Florida Yo chill Ever since I had my kids They young So I'm just He played everything on his game Yeah I don't care They little ones man

I'm not going unless it's important Real important Where does vacation ever important? What do you mean? It's not about vacation. This guy just wants to go everywhere just to go. His kids are grown.

It's a big difference. Yo, no, no. It is. It is because my man 21 now, so it's like I'm out. I'm in the trenches still. Relax, guys. Relax, all right?

You deep in there, too. Let me just while we're here because this feels like some Brooklyn shit. What did you feel about his argument with Ice Cube and Biggie? It's not a comparison there. Yeah, man. Let me just, while we're here, because this feels like some Brooklyn shit, what did you feel about his argument with Ice Cube and Biggie? It's not a comparison there.

Here we go, man. It's Brooklyn. Who you thinking of? No, no, no. Not on something that Biggie better or Ice Cube better, but it's just like

you got to give both of them they stamp for moving the wave. Like when Cube left NWA, it was like the biggest thing ever to go solo, break away from a group and have that impact and come to the East

and get all the East Coast producers. Right. Yeah, the Bomb Squad, yep. Then when Biggie came out, it was like, the West had the chokehold on the industry

and he brought it back to the East. So you can't compare them together. They had two different waves that was monumental in their own right. Like, you know what I'm saying?

So your Yeo Yeo argument is not valid. Yeah, nah. That argument was ridiculous. He asked me who my favorite artist was. I answered it. He just didn't like the answer. What? Oh, yeah.

No, Yeo Yeo's a true New Yorker. Yeah. Nah, it's cool, man. There's a lot of favorites out there, though, man. I just got to meet Tretch the other day. Tretch is one of the illest. I don't think Tretch understand how important to my career he was. Like,

that boy was, he didn't have a lock on his chest. Nah, not your chest. That's my nigga. Nah, man. Our nigga,

Tretch Tribe. Like, I knew him, I seen him many years, but this is my first time really getting to meet him. And like, you know,

that Naughty by Nature run was humongous, man. You know what I'm saying? I pay homage to all the OGs, the Kings, Onyx, EPMD. I mean, when I first homage to all the OGs, the Kings, Onyx, EPMD. I mean, when I first met them,

I had to let them know, listen, strictly business. You got a bucket hat on right now. That's EPMD shit. You already know. I mean, when I wear the ballys, that's my man Dana Dane. You know what I'm saying?

It's a lot of history there, man. So we got the computer set up, Ross? All right, cool. Oh, shit. I always wanted to ask. to Listen I got your phone number I speak to you At least every two weeks I could have asked you this

Direct a long time ago But Show the people Let's show the bleak first Then we show the people I always wanted to know What was this footage I know it's after

Hov was performing But Oh man I know what footage it was You knew it Yo I Hold on. Yo, that's the Spanish one?

Now y'all got to see it when it's in Spanish. That's the Spanish one. Yo, chill. Yo, they said this when Hov clipped us. Look at my man's slice, man. Rest in peace, my G. Slice Rest in peace my G Slice man My mom's in there

You see my mom's back there So this is Summer Jam So when Mike was here Let everybody else speak Zab, Bobby Dash Zab and Bobby Dash from Left Right. Freeway.

Look, Free ain't even have the real beard yet. Word. His shit ain't connect. Yo, Free ain't even have the beard, yo. So, the rumor is... Ho clipped us after that.

Ho clipped us. Yeah, he was like, I'm done with these niggas. Yeah. I love that narrative. I never wanted to correct it. I wanted to keep going. That's dope.

I would clip me. These niggas was bugging, yo. But nah, what it was is... For people that don't know, because obviously, sometimes I'll be somewhere in a burger bar and like the footage will come up or something and people just be looking at it they have no idea that this is jay-z this is you guys performing right summer jam michael jackson y'all bring out

michael jackson this is right after michael jackson just let me just shut it down left the stage mike and you know much respect ralph mc. You know, Hov just felt like it was nothing to say. Like, Ralph wanted to interview him, and it's like, what do you say right after you get off stage and bringing Mike up there? You feel me? And he was like, yo, y'all get ahead. Y'all do y'all thing.

So, you know, that was the green light to be like, oh, shit, okay. The fuck y'all niggas know what it is? We here, baby. Quickly, you heard? We here, baby. Quickly, you heard? Yo, yo. Yo, that's how the video. He's got the green light.

Yeah, so it was like, okay. So, you know, that's what that was, man. Because the more I look at the footage, he actually didn't say nothing. No. He just keeps pointing at people. He's like, let him people he's like let him go yeah let them go yeah because it was like yo dog what do you say like what do you say after that

i brought mike to the hood dog like stop playing and it was ill that mike situation yo mike rest in peace to the goat the goat is the goat right yo mike came through right yo listen if you wasn't with hove you had to turn around and face the wall. Wait, come on. Wait, wait. Yeah. So Mike, was it Mike who delivered that speech? Like, don't look at me.

Listen, his security guards came in before he came in, right? So they like this. Everybody who don't have the, like, the Jay-Z pads, like, I'm with the family. Not the Rockefeller chain. You could have had the Rockefeller chain. You had to have that pad. Gee, they was making niggas turn up Face the wall Like it was the pat down on the block

Like everybody Because Mike didn't want eye to eye contact Nobody look him in his eyes I might have turned around with the permission I don't want to look at his eyes You want to look down? I don't want to have that moment I got to see Mike

So I'm looking at anybody in the hallway Face of the wall like, these niggas fuck. Is there anybody that we know that's turning around? Oh, it's a lot of people turning around. Bobby Dash. A lot of people. I ain't going to throw a lot of people. That right there is like

not even throwing you under the bus. That's like tying you to the train track. So I ain't going to throw a lot of people. That right there is not even throwing you under the bus. That's like tying you to the train track. So I ain't going to do that. So I ain't going to do that. But just know, if you wasn't immediate, you faced that wall, homie. That was it. And Mike didn't want niggas looking on face to face. So when Mike came through, you know me, I'm like, I got to get a glimpse of Mike Smith in the hallway.

So I'm in the hallway moving around. Mike came through with the major me. I'm like, I got to get a glimpse of Mike Smith in the hallway. So I'm in the hallway moving around. Mike came through with the major, the C2 choice. He was ready for Kobe. Yeah, he's been having that. That's true. He's been Kobe ready. He knew. He was on Asia years ago.

He knew that shit was coming. Word. He's a hit. Enough. Dead ass. Y'all remember the first time I went I went to I think it was Singapore Somewhere crazy

They had the major Hello Kitty mask Running around crazy And this is 99 And this one Hello Kitty I think Just got to America Cause it been big over there

They don't wear masks Pollution and all that Everybody wearing a mask for us There's something here I don't know So Then later on We all wear masks

So here we go Wow So let's get back to Mike So Mike didn't want nobody looking him in the eyes. He came through. Hey, hey, hey, everybody. You know, I ain't got the voice right now.

But he definitely came through waving. He didn't even say nothing on the stage. He just came through, waved. No holding his shoulder. And he left. But yeah, like all the security. Wait, Mike didn't perform that summer jam? Nope.

He just walked through and said, damn, I didn't mean that. I think we all thought he performed it. OK, the Queens and me. Perform what? If he didn't perform, people would have died. Right, yeah. It would have been like, like, perform. Human nature.

Yeah, like, it would have fainted. B, Mike, perform. How do you give Mike a mic? The Queens and me does not want to ask this question, but I've got to ask this question. What's up? Yo, come on. Was that the same? I love D'Ussé, but you got to ask this question What's up? Yo, come on I love Duse

But you got to mix this It's too early, bro Okay, all right I don't want to be under the table, baby girl You know what I'm saying? But Is that the same summer jam Where he said

You don't want it with Hov? You are the ballerina I got the pitches I seen you It might be I think so I think so Yeah, I think so.

I think it was. Hovorn Sambusha, that's the go-he. That's the monster he is, man. You got to remember the era they came up in, man. That 80s era, you had to be a monster, man. I was telling my man the other day, man. I think that late 80s, early 90s era might have been the hardest era to come up in as a little nigga. Musician?

Oh, no, as a little nigga in the streets. Yeah, streets trying to do anything because it was no beliefs for nothing. Remember, everybody was doing bad. When we got on and got deals, bro, saying you was going to be a rapper was just equivalent to telling niggas you're going to the NBA. And niggas were like, man, whatever. Right. Like, fuck out. You're never getting on. You're going to be right here with me. Right. Damn. Damn, niggas was haters going to the NBA. And niggas are like, man, whatever. Right. Like, fuck out. You're never getting on.

You're going to be right here with me. Right. Yeah. Damn, niggas was haters back then. You're right. Straight up. Like, today, you telling me you're getting a deal. Nigga like, OK, I'll see you on BET tonight.

Right. Yeah. Tomorrow. Word. Word. Like, it's that easy. Back then, you had to be an animal. So when you come from that, all you know is animal instincts.

I'm going to kill you, and I'm going to kill you more. Right. I'm going to bounce around for a little while. You know, some of this is going to make sense, some of it's not. You're going to take a sip of D'Ussé. We watching. No, but I need a chaser. Okay, you keep me.

I need some cranberry juice or some pineapple, something, yo. Some lemonade, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no problem, no problem. You know what I mean? So, we just had Irv on, right? Yo, chill. Shout out Irv Gotti, man. He's my guy, man.

The Crack House Studio. He ain't lie about that. It was one of the best studios. Yeah, right downstairs, that was the wing spot. I used to go there and get wings. It definitely was one of the best spots. I agree. But he said, he said that Dane was alone.

Huh? I know. He said Dane was along. Huh? I know. He said Dane was along for the ride. Weren't we all? Right? Weren't we all? Like, what did anybody really have to do? Dane, don't get it wrong.

Dane wasn't around for the ride. Neither was Biggs. Everybody played a major, major role. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, when I came around, it was Clark Kent and Hov running around in the studio. And then I met Dame Uptown with Original Flavor,

Tone Hooker, and Ski and them. You know, Ski making the beats and all that. And it was just the crew. So every, Dame had the industry, the knowledge of being a manager. Hov was straight from the black. He didn't know nothing about the industry. Clark was the producer. Ski was the artist, which Dame managed Original Flavor. And when Gott producer. Ski was the artist, which dang managed the original flavor.

And when Gotti tell y'all, yeah, I was J.D.J., he was more than a DJ, bro. He put the whole Def Jam play together. Now Irvin wouldn't be no Rockefeller Death Boy. So you're saying everybody's important. Everybody, man. Like Ye say, man, no one man can have all that power. Any successful person in this world, it's definitely a couple people that paved the way with them, that helped them along the way, man, no one man can have all that power. Any successful person in this world is definitely a couple people that paved the way with them, that helped them along the way, man.

You can't do it alone, bro. There's no way. It's impossible. Okay, now. Bleak, we upgraded. We got a big game, bro. We good now. That better?

We good now. We good now. That better? We good now. We good now. So, all right. Let's, let's, let's, let's. Like I said, I'm bouncing around a little bit. This is famous clip, right? Where Dame is on a bus. And I believe he's talking to Lenny S.

And I believe he's talking to Skane Dollar. And I think you're on the bus. I'm not quite sure. It's Clue Bus. It's Clue Bus. Harden that life when they ain't have no lights. And he's saying that if one guy

is the head of the crew, it's not really sufficient. It should be everyone who has it. Yes. Do you think that that came into fruition? Definitely.

Yeah. Like, look at Roc Nation, man. Yeah. Everybody is a boss in his own right. There's no one boss. You got Emery.

You got Tata. You got Daz. You got Juan. You got Jay Brown. Everybody play a major role in their section and do what they do. Know what I mean? And nobody pocket watching. Everybody bosses.

Everybody through the roof chewing beyond chewing. You know what I'm saying? And that's the way it's supposed to go. That's how you build a crew right that's how you that's a boss like ross say a boss is one guarantee we gonna eat right and and so you believe that it it came it worked out like that hell yeah man like i always knew man since a kid i always knew hove was different man just just off the way he lived the shit he drove how he talked like how dressed. I just knew he wasn't.

Like, goddamn, we fucked up out here. Niggas got fly traps hanging from the ceiling. How the fuck this thing got an AC in his crib? What are you doing? You know what I'm saying?

This nigga got Centronella candles. How the fuck a fly trap on the ceiling? Where you get that candle from, man? He's a Centronella. You know what I'm saying?

And the AC that hung out in the window? Yeah. While we had the fan that you had to throw water on in the summer. You know, I'm saying And the AC that hung out In the window Yeah While we had the fan That you had to throw water on In the summer You know Spray that water bottle on it

Get that little extra breeze On you baby You know And Hov just was different AC like Big white marble Everything in the room White like

He just always was A different breed I just wish Like you know how you tell Your son as a kid You like yo This ain't gonna to be great. But you don't know

it's going to actually happen. If somebody would have told me, yo, Bleak, you really going to, I'd have wrote a whole plan, but I'd have planned this shit a whole lot better. Right, right.

You feel me? I wouldn't have been along for the ride. Right, right. But hey, straight up. One thing about you is I don't care what, anything happened.

Your relationship with Hov stays the same. Because I'm a true friend, man. We true friends like Tata, Juan, Emery. Like I said, we all from, it's real friendship. Nobody pocket watching. I don't care Hov a billionaire. I don't care you're a hundred million, a dollar. I'm going to still call you and be like,

yo, what up, bitch ass nigga, you a friar, yo? That verse is wack. Like, no bullshit. That verse is wack? Yo, Hov always shit on me. You ain't never say his verse is wack in a long time. Nah, he ain't spit a verse in a long time. So you told him that?

And the Hov did was, I told Hov a lot of years. Wait, you said Hov did? It was hard, I told him that was hard of years Wait you said hove did It was hard I told him that was hard Like I didn't have to tell him nothing But sometimes I tell him Yo bro you spazzed Or yo you ain't go hard enough

But he definitely shits on me If that nigga called me Like right now Hove called me Automatically Ain't no what up my G What up my Straight up

What up bitch ass nigga What up you fake ass boss. Yo, that's what I'm saying. Shit's on me. No matter what I do, what up? Yo, what you out there doing? Making no money? You know, like, you feel me?

Like, that's the shit I get. So we keep it all the way real. Like, this rap shit don't mean nothing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I told you, if I knew it was going to be this, I'd have prepared, bro. Right. So we just keep it as regular, man. It's neutral.

Because everyone thinks their friend is special. Oh, yeah. Everybody. Everyone's like, yeah, my man is the shit. Yo, chill. Yo, chill. You know how many people Are wrong You know what I'm saying

You know how many people Was sitting around Thinking they man Had the Illest bars But You know who you gotta Think about in that respect then

That makes me respect Emory even more When you think of Situations like that Cause Emory Bet it all on ho Okay Can you explain

The Emory situation For people that don't know Everything that's on record Not that's off record I don't know I was for people that don't know everything that's on record, not that's off record? I don't know. I was young, so I don't know what part nigga played

or nothing, but I know they had a going away party for Emory in Baltimore. E'd going to do some time. Now, I always grew up with E'd and I'm going to tell you,

let's go back, back in time. You remember they used to have this music festival in New Orleans called The Gavin? Yeah, The Gavin Report,

right. This is when, rest in peace Prodigy, Mobb Deep just dropped Shook Ones. They debuted it. That day, that weekend, we was out there. Jay was out there promoting In My Lifetime. This before Ain't No Nigga, all that. So they had a battle out there. Like, yo, whoever win the battle win five grand.

Mind you, I'm 15 years old. So Emery like, yo, you getting in that battle, bleep. So I'm like, fuck no. Hell no. Y'all are, you bugging. I think like, yo, you getting in that battle, bleep. So I'm like, fuck no. Hell no. Y'all are, you bugging. I think like, nigga, we ain't here to play. We ain't come here on vacation.

You getting in that battle, nigga. You got to put in that work. I think like, you 15 years old. Imagine going back to Marcy with five grand in your pocket. So you know me, I'm like, oh shit, he right. I got to go get these verses together.

So I'm like, yeah, sign me up. Rest in peace, Jam Master Jay was one of the hosts. RZA was one of the hosts. Oh, this is good. Diddy, all of them. I went up there, smoked all them niggas' boots. One to five grand.

Wow. Like, one to five grand. Like, look at that Emery. Like, nigga, I owe you a stack. You put me on. Got a kickback. Now, let's fast forward. Emery going away party.

I'm like, fuck it. I got to be there. I had this green honey. I had no money. Do you remember what year this is? This probably was like 98, 97, 98. Okay. All right.

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No money, just knew I got a full tank of gas, I could make it. I got to Baltimore, got pulled over right down the block from the club. They towed my car right down the block from the club. Emory and all of them had to come get me and all that word.

They went and got the car for me the next day. We went to the party and all that, balled out, and Emory went to jail. So then all that, after after that I'm like damn what emery do like what happened? So, you know, I start doing my research and they just like niggas They do nothing niggas was telling trying to bring the whole regime down or whatever emery said fuck it. I take the weight for it It's me. It's like wait, what what that's definition? That's triple og like I heard Oh geez, but that's the definition of it. Like, and then you bet on your man to be,

like, he going to make sure I'm good. And not only make sure I'm good, I'm gooder than good. Like, Hov is gooder than, like, there is no good in Hov book. They didn't spell good with six O's. You feel me? I'm still thinking about how many O's is it good. I'm like, okay. You feel me? Yeah, there's four more O's. You feel me? I'm still thinking about

how many O's is it good. I'm like, okay. You feel me? Yeah, four more O's. All right. I think it's good. Super good. So what the rumor is, right?

I don't know. We're going to just say what's on record. Not anything that's off record. But the rumor was that he got caught with something and he just said, like you just said.

I don't think he ever got caught with nothing. I think said he's like like you just said and i don't think he ever got caught with nothing i think niggas just you know statements and told and indictments came down i don't think niggas physically got caught with any type of twerk or anything so that was like the first week oh yeah wow excuse me yeah holy moly guacamole yeah so you know but just to even bet on your man like that's niggas out here that ain't even taking two days and it's like, what? Two days, you going to come get me?

Nah, I'm telling the night. Fuck that. You think he going to the club? Nope. I'm telling, nigga. See, they have many shows for this shit. First 48,

they like, yeah. I cannot watch that show. Me neither. I cannot watch it. Me neither. It's heartbreaking to see these guys just sit there

and break down for a fucking Sprite. At the Bag of Chips. Yeah. As soon as I see the motherfucking Pringles come out, I'll be like, oh, I hate this nigga. Don't win for it. Oh, man. My advice, man. The Pringles get you all the time.

Stay out the game, man. Stay out the game. And the goddamn McDonald's. Like one of my big homies said in Chicago, one of my OGs, my man, Big Rhodey, man. He's my dude. He always said, I don't know why these dudes do crime and scared to go to jail. Nigga, all your friends in there. You're going to be with your people.

What you scared for? Go link up. Nigga, you said you gay, right? They're your people. Right? All your friends in there. Go link up. Go lock in, baby.

Holy shit. So don't do the crime. You can't do the time. You heard? Yeah. Bleak, let me ask you, man, because I know how hard it is to be my friend, right? Some of my friends, like, you know, so many people get at my friends that get at me. Ha!

Ha! Oh, man. How many people called you for Beyonce tickets? Oh, my God. They know. I don't know, Hov. I don't know. Yo, listen.

For me to get Beyonce tickets was a problem. My wife hit me like, yo, you know, she in Philly on my birthday. I'm like, all right, cool. What that got to do with me? You try to send me in there for the war, baby? So, you know, all right, fuck it.

It's wifey. I got to go. I got to hold it down. So I hit all the top dogs. I ain't going to even say no names. All the bosses. They don't work for Ivy Park. They'd be like,

I don't work for Ivy Park. No, they ain't even say none of that. All of them said, yo, Bleak, what are you bugging? You know you got to hit Jay. So I'm like, all right, I tried not to, but now I got to hit you. I got to.

I tried to go around and save it, but now this message got to go to you. Like, fuck it. Yo, big homie, I need some tickets for the show. It's wifey B day. Ah, nah, niggas trying to turn me the ticket, goddamn. Yo, my man. I just need two tickets, you heard? That's it. He like,

yo, I say, I ain't even want to hit you. I don't want to bother you. I hit the whole staff. You got 400 people working in Roc Nation. I hit about 20 of them. They told me to hit you. He said, they did bother you. I hit the whole staff. You got 400 people working in Roc Nation. I hit about 20 of them. They told me, hit you. He said, they did? And I'm like, yeah. He's like, yeah, but they don't work for B. Like, yeah, I do. So I'm like,

oh, but let's get this clear, my nigga. I don't hang with B. I don't know who work for B. Like, point me in this direction. Tell me, go left. I'm going to go holler. So I had to jump through some rings of fire, but I got the tickets.

But he definitely was offended that I hit him with some Beyonce tickets. That's the realest shit I've ever heard. Like, you can't be serious. Like, yo, I told wifey, you about this But yo We don't do that Around these bars

And you know what's crazy Women don't even get The funny brotherness Yeah like Nigga you bugging Beyonce tickets I don't got those So

One thing I wanted to ask you about Was Early on It was like you, Ja And DMX Was doing a lot of shows together Yeah, X Rest in peace, man

The group, man X I mean, Ja, my brother You know how we roll, man Early on Early on How was that connecting with Cause that was like your first rap friends, right? Was like I believe You know how we do. We were old, man. Early on, early on, how was that connecting with,

because that was like your first rap friends, right? It was like, I believe. Yeah, Ja was the first. And then I met X on Hard Knock Life, you know what I mean, with Kaiser and all of them. But Ja was the first one. I remember we was at some video shoot for Ove that never even came out. Shot the video on Long Island. Video never even came out. I forgot what song it Island. Video never even came out.

I forgot what song it was. But I met Jai probably, what, 96? 97? And we always been clicked since then. Like, my wife and his wife is mad cool, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's it. I always met my dog. Like, you know what I mean?

Me and Jai rode hard, man. Like, that's my nigga, man. And how was it connected with X early? X was wild. From the beginning? X was wild. X was wild. I remember my album release party. I had a party in the tunnel. You know, tunnel was the wildest New York club. You don't be in there by yourself. You need at least six goons with you. And I mean niggas who on go-mo. X came by himself. Dolo. With a bottle of Hennessy with some red shit mixed in it. Like, yeah, I bought a bottle of blood for my dog.

Like, oh, shit. So, you know, I always honored that. Like, X was different, man. Like, first day I met X, he got us. I think Jai was the only one who told the same story. Like, X got us the tow car, I mean, the car towed by the police. Oh, yeah, it was on the highway? Yeah. Then we went to some girl crib. He told Oh, yeah, it was on the highway? Yeah.

Yeah. Then we went to some girl crib. He told her, yeah, what y'all got to eat? Got to feed the dogs. The dogs is hungry. Word. He made them fry some fish and some chicken for the dogs. The dogs is hungry.

Then we went back to the beach. This the part Jai left out in this story, though. Jai was foul. He knew what happened. Right. Yo, listen. Tell us what happened. Remember, this the first day I met Axe.

I don't know what's going on in Bad Boy, that Harlem circle, what's going on with them. You know, Harlem, Brooklyn. I'm in the car with Axe. He making the girl drop a soft. We get to the beach. This is when the scooters was the big thing on the beach. So Diddy and Bad Boy, all of them riding down on the beach.

Here come Mace on the scooter. Yeah, Miami. This all happened in Miami. So here come Mace on the scooter Somebody out here? Yeah yeah Miami This all happened in Miami You was there? So here come Mace On the scooter And they got Axe Jumped out the car Started chasing Mace Yo

Get back here Wait till I catch you nigga So you know me I'm in the back seat like What the fuck happened Between him and Mace Like who is this nigga Matter of fact

He chasing niggas And nobody in the crew Cause that's the first day You met Axe you say The first day And nobody is this nigga? Matter of fact, he chasing niggas. And nobody in the crew. Because that's the first day you met XC. The first day. Right. And nobody in this nigga crew running behind him to stop this nigga. So I'm like, whoever this nigga is, he official. Because they ain't want no smoke with this nigga.

Nigga's like, yeah, I hope he don't catch him. I was in the studio with XC falling asleep. None of his crew woke him up. Yeah, I'm telling you. He was different. Yo, bro, we was on a Hard Knock woke him up. Yeah, I'm telling you, he was different. Yo, bro, we was on a Hard Knock Life tour. You know, you bring your team, you get busy, everybody get busy. These niggas was stabbing each other.

Niggas would get back to the bus, yo, bro, you poked me. Right here, my side. I was like, yo, these Rough Riding niggas is wildin'. You know what I mean? Yo, listen, between them and Wu-Tang, I can say, they probably was the deepest crews I ever seen. I remember going to the Source Awards them And Wu-Tang I can say They probably was The deepest crews I ever seen I remember going

To the Sauce Awards And Wu-Tang pulled up Probably 400 deep With niggas With all them shirts Tied around their face Alright They had something

To prove us out At that time Yeah At that time They had something To prove us out Yeah It's like

Who the fuck Is these niggas 400 deep With niggas with masks on They could've killed They wouldn't know Who the fuck they was So you know I respect them niggas 400 deep with niggas with masks on. They could have killed. They wouldn't know who the fuck they was. So, you know,

hey, I respect them niggas. They pulled up deep. And definitely, that's how they moved, man. You got to respect it. So, where was you at when you heard that X passed away? I was home. I was home, man.

I was home. I was definitely heartbroken by that. I definitely wasn't expecting it. I know he'd been battling his demons his whole life, and it's something that's hard to get over. I lost a lot of loved ones to that same demon. So all I could do was pray for the family, man, his wife, his kids, and everything.

Right. That's real talk. Okay. You got that record lined up? family, man. His wife, his kids, and everything, you know? Right. Nah, that's real talk. Okay. You got that record lined up? Oh, shit. More, more, more tricks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. First off, you didn't write that verse. Yo, that's what I want to clarify,

that's what I want to clarify, man. Niggas, niggas, let's get this shit clear right here. I was 15 years old. Yes, years old Spitting that Of course I didn't write that Every other fucking verse This is why I love title Check the credits man

If you don't see my last name MC on there Then I owe you some money You heard? Yo but When you listen to his first verse Jay right Is he really talking about you? Is that?

It describes our relationship. Wow. At first, they say he wrote the song for Shaheen, but Shaheen was too lit at that time. And shout out Shaheen, too. I smoked his boots back in the days, too. That's my brother. You know what I'm saying? We battled back in stable 10.

That's my bro, though. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Okay. There's a lot of verses going on. That's how I got my vibe. You know what I'm saying? We battled back in Stapleton. That's my bro though. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Niggas know. There's a lot of verses going on. That's how I got my vibe. You know what I mean? We was moving around.

He was out there. To every projects, bro. Everywhere. We didn't care. Brooklyn, I was in Staten Island. Niggas be in Queens. Niggas be in everywhere. Long Island, Harlem.

We had this shit called Shut Your Mouth Night. You pull up in your projects, bring your best rappers out. If they don't want to spit, shut your mouth. Nig pull up in your projects, bring your best rappers out. If they don't want to spit, shut your mouth, nigga. Like, word. Rest in peace, my man Batman, my man Bang. We used to move around and just smoke niggas. So let me ask you.

So when you went to the studio, was the whole song laid out? Oh, no. Nah, see, listen. Put us on. And this is the ill shit about even him writing that. Because how the whole scenario happened. I was on the benches early morning. Project fences?

Yeah, in Marcy. Jay coming through the projects. It was him, Clark Kent, and T-Strong from Original Flavor. So I'm just sitting out there hustling early morning shit. My little bullshit jack's in my pocket. And I'm like, yo, Hov, I get busy, my nigga. And he like what This is when they used to call me little Dre

Cause my brother named Dre So he's like little Dre You don't rhyme man Get out of here with that bullshit So I'm like nah I'm telling you son I get busy So Clark was the one like

Let me hear something So I rhyme And Clark looked at Jay like Yo he might got something So Hov was like Yo come with me to the crib Come with me upstairs So we get in the elevator, we go upstairs

He go to his back, we go in his room He's in 5? 534, apartment 5A 5A Yep, so We go in his back room or whatever He open the notebook He rip a piece of paper out the notebook

And just hands me the piece of paper Right in the guard on life, bro Kill me dead, if I'm lying, I'm flying And he said, as fast as hands me the piece of paper right in the guard on life bro kill me dad if i'm lying i'm flying and he said as fast as you remember this piece of paper is as fast as you'll be on no beat no nothing so i'm like i take the piece of paper first of all hove used to write in the smallest handwriting so you could barely understand it so i go i get the piece of paper leave the crib fly downstairs to my crib so i I rewrite the rhyme, and I'm spinning it over and over, just saying it in my mind. Probably like an hour tops on God.

Hour tops. I go back upstairs. They still there. So I'm like, yo, I got it. He was like, you remember the rhyme already? So I'm like, yeah, I got it right now. So he was like, yo, I'm going to play a beat. Let's see if you can rhyme to the beat.

So he played the coming of age beat, and I spit the verse to the the beat and we jumped in the car right there went to clock king crib and did the song that day yep okay you just settled a lifelong problem because people said that hove never wrote before and you just settled it right now these couple of age days he wrote on the piece of paper i believe i believe Reasonable Doubt album was, a lot of that shit was in the book. After that, I think it was just free will after that. Right. Remember, Hov was rhyming super fast back in the day. Didn't he get what Biggie and Biggie was doing?

Yeah. He did that from then? Yeah. Remember, Hov used to rhyme super fast. So back in the day in the projects, he used to be like, nah, he ain't that nigga. I used to be like, I think't that nigga I used to be like I think it's bugging He the greatest ever

And then When he slowed it down It's just He took it to the top Right You know what I'm saying Right So

He says to you Cause he's not So he says to you I want you to be My artist No No See and that's the thing

I do the song Remember the album Not coming out It's just We did the song You're not on priority It's none thing. I do the song. Remember, the album not coming out. It's just we did the song. You're not on priority. It's none of that. No, it's nothing.

He just doing the album, him and Clark Kent, solely out their pocket, funding it they self, 100%. So then they get a deal with Payday, right? Payday, yeah. Payday, I said priority. Payday is what Reasonable Doubt came out on with in my lifetime and all of that. We was running around with that, my brother.

And we was running around with that, you know what I mean? But the album didn't drop probably, we did the song in what, 94? It didn't come out until 96. You know what I'm saying? Because In My Lifetime came out before, but that was independent completely. Yes. Because I had that original

vinyl. Yes. And then, so that two year gap, I was running around bugging in the hood wilding like and and once Reasonable Doubt dropped that's why I'm not on volume one I was too late all right oh yeah too late too late I missed it I missed in that in that right there bro if I could say I you know you don't regret much in life but that I regret man is it the story when he came to your house and said you had a shorty with you yeah I regret that because I had that tour going a shorty with you? Yeah, I regret that. Because that tour going on with Biggie, you know what I'm saying?

That son of a bitch. But you had a tour going on with Biggie. You didn't show up for a tour. No, he went on tour with me. Oh, he went on tour with Biggie. He clipped me. He gave me the scissors for that. Like, this nigga going to miss the studio?

You're going to miss this tour too, nigga. Bet that. I'll have me when I get home, homie. Holy moly, guacamole. Listen, Bleak Man man you know you've been on here before but we we started something that we you have to be a part of we got to give you your flowers to your face my brother you're a legend Oh, it's Lizzo. You know what I mean? Now, you wasn't at that J and Big DMX battle, right? Nah.

Nah. Okay. Listen, I was at the... They clipped me then, too. See? Jesus, man. Yo, listen. I was there.

Rest in peace, Big L, right? That whole day was weird. Okay. Because Hov came and got me. I was in high school. Wait, Hov was Big L that day? Yeah, I was... Okay.

He picked me up from high school, right? Came and got me. It was source money in the car in J. And he like, yo, going uptown, ah, ah, ah, remember? We was goons then, man. So, you know, I'm in school. I had that thing on me. We going uptown.

Okay, cool. Straight, I'm ready. So, Hov's like, yo, you got a gun on you? Like, all day, every day. He's like, oh, I'm like, okay, I'm glad I got you then. Let's roll. So boom, we get uptown. So he wanted

to battle Big Al. Wow. Dang was setting up the battle for him and Big Al. Word. And he had the bag of money in the car. He's like, yo, Bleak, go in the car, get the bag of money in the car He like yo Bleak Go in the car Get the bag of money So I get the bag You know I got the slammer

So he like Y'all niggas got the money Or what What we doing So niggas like How much we talking So I was like Man I got a hundred grand

Yo Bleak Give me the bag My man I'm like What's a fucking Hundred grand on my back And I got the gun on me Oh you didn't know He gave you the bag

And you didn't know And I got the gun on me I could have laid anybody I'm he gave you the back? And I got a gun on me? I could have laid anybody. I'm like, these niggas love me. They trust me. That's what I do. They trust me. You in there, nigga. Ain't no getting clipped. They put a hundred grand on your back, nigga. Not a hundred bricks. If they could put a hundred

bricks on your back, they don't love you. They don't love you, my nigga. You fucked up. They put a hundred grand On your back That's a different story You know what I'm saying A lot of trust

So yeah but I guess they They ain't match that They couldn't match that That hundred grand Also the battle didn't happen It didn't happen So then they left

And went uptown after that I went back to Brooklyn You know what I'm saying I jetted dolo Like oh I gotta go Get some money This ain't got Running around with a hundred grand

I gotta go get shit right. Shit ain't right. I can't hang with y'all like this. So I went back to the hood. And then they went to the Bronx, and that's when that DMX battle. All that shit happened in the same day. Wow. So he was supposed to battle Big Al.

And end up battling Max. That would have been crazy, too. And did they battle for money, or that was not? Nah, he just went in there and winged it. I don't even think They was really I don't even think It was a battle

I think they just was rhyming And you know They just made it Into a battle You know how the streets go You know Yeah You know how they do

Throw that fuel in there Gas you up Holy moly That's a classic moment Yeah nah There have been a lot Of classic moments With Hov man

That I ever told y'all The story About niggas not wanting to pump gas? Oh, yeah, in a cold winter? Yeah. You ain't pump gas? Yeah, you got to tell us again. Tell us again. Hov for real one.

Hov for real one, man. Hov used to do bullshit to us, man. Bad shit to niggas. Niggas ain't wanting to. So we went to a show in Syracuse, and I ain't going to lie. It was knee-deep my g like we trucking through that snow to get to the show so we in there we perform we get out oh so nobody wanted to drive everybody drunk remember I'm too young I'm 15 years old I ain't got no license in the first I cannot drive so they ain't asking me to drive so I knew

I was off but then we get to the gas station. You know, they got the heat on in the car. Everybody chilling, coat off. Nobody wanted to get out and pump gas. So Hov like, I got to get out and pump gas. All right. So he get out, pump gas. He went in the trunk.

Man, everybody's coat was in the trunk. He went in the trunk and grabbed his coat, jumped in the car, rolled all four windows down, and started doing like a buff. Like, y'all niggas ain't wanna, and I was good, because he had, you know, Damon in the back, I'm in between them, so it's like, these two big-ass niggas,

yeah, hold me down. You heard? Let's go, baby. So I was kind of cool, but he froze niggas's ass on that thing. Trust me, he could have felt frozen before he came out. Word. Yo, at one point, I'm not going to lie to y'all.

At one point, it felt like if you wasn't down at a Rockefeller party, you didn't have fun in the industry. I was an outsider looking in. You was inside. Stop frontin'. You was down. You was on all the soundtracks. You was down.

No, it's very true. It's very true. You was down. But what I'm saying is, for the average person, they didn't, like Rockefeller really seemed like some place to be at.

Was that like the ultimate record label at that time? Describe that for us. Yo, listen. Rockefeller was the best label in history. And I mean the original staff. Okay. Talk about, when you talking about G Robeson, Hip Hop, Lenny S, Bobby Dash, Dane Dash, Chaka Pilgrim, fucking Dara McIntosh.

Okay. You know, like. Who was the officer at that time? We was on- 170 Varick? No, not- No, we wasn't on 170 Varick. We was on Dean Street.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Downtown. Downtown. Yes. It's a village. It's a village home. Yes. Okay.

Yeah, continue. The original staff, man. You know, Shari. You know what I mean? Most of these people are from our nation, though, right? No. Most of these people run an industry. G-Robinson and hip-hop has hip-hop since 1987, 78, whatever.

But they manage what? Wayne, Nicky? Kanye. Kanye. You know what I'm saying? Al Branch running all this shit over here. Then everybody from the Rockefeller branch is head executives somewhere else, man. And that's the knowledge of all of us

sticking together and learning together. You know what I'm saying? And like I said, I didn't plan like them. Thank God the raps work, baby, you heard? Yeah, let me get my first drink. Yeah, let's go. We doing quick time? Yeah.

Why you wasn't drinking? I was just, you know, every year before my birthday I do that Like almost every year Like a fad So you could just go crazy Yeah so I go crazy for my birthday Yes correct

White boy crazy? Yeah yeah yeah White boy crazy for sure Cool Where we going this year? Where you going? I'm going to Lake Cuomo tomorrow You're going to Lake Cuomo tomorrow?

Cuomo yes It ain't Lake Cuomo It's Cuomo It's not Cuomo Like the Bay of New York No R No R Cuomo yes Yeah yeah yeah Cuomo Yeah no R It ain't like Cuomo. It's Cuomo. It's not Cuomo like the mayor of New York. No R. No R. Cuomo. Yeah, Cuomo. Yeah, no R. My bad.

Yo, listen. Fly. Yeah. Okay. Super dope. Okay. The homie, what's his name? Now on the tequila now.

He live out there. George Clooney. Yeah. I got to go to his restaurant. I got to meet him at his restaurant. George Clooney restaurant. Yeah, he live out there. So you're getting big money.

He's in another bracket now, dude. Man, I'm going to have an off-the-camera conversation. Holy moly. So you're drinking now. You haven't drank yet. Before Quick Time of Slime, let me have one drink before Quick Time of Slime. All right. Oh, yes. Quick Time of Slime.

Limbo? Limbo, yes. Can I get another? Hey, shout out to Igloo with his Run DMC collab. Hopefully, we got a drink champs one. Yeah. Shout out to Run DMC who sent this over. Shout out man. The boombox cooler joint. Yo chill.

You gotta take a little slow. Maybe not the best. Slow down. Don't let us carry you out of here. I got shit to do. So, Bleak, during COVID, this Versus thing was humongous.

Humongous. Of course, when they get the mob, my show is over. When they get the mob, my show is over. Okay, because hold on. Chill, Swiss, holla at me. Okay. It's over Wait what? When they get to my show It's over Okay cause hold on So tell Chill Swizz Holla at me

Okay So how did this start? Did Juelz call you out? Or no no no Juelz was on live And someone asked him about Bleak And then he said He said

He don't want that smoke He said you ain't want that smoke Yeah he said I ain't want that smoke And then you went up to Rock Nation The next day What did you do? Nah I ain't do nothing We was promoting my artist shit I ain't want that smoke. And then you went up to Rock Nation the next day. What did you do? No, I ain't do nothing. We was promoting my artist shit.

I went on Twitter and said something. You know, they hyped it up. And then he went back and forth. And then it was smoke. And then I went up there and made it official. You want that smoke? Holler at me, nigga. We here.

And you know, Juelz, he know me, man. I know Juelz from before the Dipset days, before Rockefeller even popped off. He was in, I think, in the group Draft Picks. He was managed by one of my homies that used to be cool with my manager. He used to be in the studio with me when I was working my first album. You know what I mean? Jewels was around. He was the homie.

Matter of fact, him and fuck is this nigga named from Harlem? Billy Baffgate. Billy Baffgate was in the motherfucking group. Yeah, man. So Santana was around before the Dipset days. That's why I always thought when it was the drama, he never

shitted on me. You notice he never said nothing about me. You know what I'm saying? I always respected him for that. I think Jewel's kind of avoided all of it, didn't he? He was poppin' shit. Everybody was poppin' shit. he No he was poppin shit Oh yeah Everybody was poppin shit Okay Nah

He was poppin shit Everybody was poppin shit We always poppin shit But it was fun times man Well I'm gonna be honest In everyone's respect You kept saying earlier You said this earlier

You kept saying Cause I'm on my Brooklyn shit They was on they Harlem shit You was saying that Back then You saying that From even Dame day Yes Dame

So was y'all They separated it Dame did that man Dame did that shit man Dame did that Yes, Dame Day. So was y'all, so I'm gonna be honest. They separated it. Dame did that, man. Dame did that shit, man. Dame did that. He told them on the train tracks like that. Yeah, he made it.

I'm gonna tie his ass to the train tracks because he fucking did that. And I told these niggas, this shit about to be over. Nobody wanted to hear me though. Niggas thought I was fucking bugging.

And no. I'm being quiet. No, don't fucking be quiet because you was there, nigga. I told niggas. I was fucking bugging. And no. I'm being quiet. No, don't fucking be quiet. Because you was there, nigga. I told niggas, yo, listen, y'all bugging. This shit about to be over. Y'all want to separate it. OK.

I'm trying to keep this shit together, baby. Because the big homie over here telling me, the scissors, they coming. Y'all niggas say, and it's like nobody wanted to listen. It's like, okay. A lot of clipping going on. And now it's over. Everybody listening. Get the fuck out of here.

Yo, bunch of lemon drops. That's all. I love everybody. Like Jimmy, that's my nigga. Before all the drama, everything. Me and Jim and Zeke used to gamble a lot in baseline. I was losing a lot of money to these niggas. They was losing money to me and my niggas.

We was cool. And then out the blue, it was, fuck niggas, it's drama. I kill niggas, murder, death, kill. It was like, oh shit. I didn't know I had to get on that. And then it was that, and now we cool again. Like, it's cool.

That was rap shit. All that baseline studios. All that baseline studio, man. We was in there putting in major work. Freaky, all of them. The whole dip set, man. Even Uncasa, all of them was in there putting in major work freaky all of them the whole dip set man even on casa all of them was in there with us man only one i never got to meet out they crew is hell rel that's it jr was up there with us but hell rel never got to meet hell rel i went to baseline i used to go to baseline a lot before Before. Don't act like you ain't hang with us. No, no, no. It's a fact. You try to act like he wasn't there.

Like niggas going to come snipe you. Ain't no more beefing. No, no, no. But look. I'm going to be honest, though. I went up there one time. You talking with inside knowledge. I went up there one time, and I was like, oh, they beefing.

You can tell. Yeah. You can tell. The Brooklyn and Philly was on this side. Because a lot of people forget the Philly niggas. No, no, no. We're not going to let them slide. Them niggas was playing both sides of the fence, blood.

Listen, the Beans had songs with Cam, Freeway, or Jewel's album. This game ain't worth to say this for. This game ain't worth to say this for. This game ain't worth to say this for. Remember, these is my brothers. I love them. I just did a show with these niggas yesterday. Remember.

Beans is my brother. Me and Beans talking. Beans want to do a podcast with me just telling old shit and shit. We've been through our story. You know what I'm saying? I told him I was going to, you know what I mean? We're going to off camera. We got a couple conversations off camera.

Okay, cool. But listen, the money went first. Yeah, let's go. We in. We in. Yo, but I just was with them. You know, freeway is my motherfucking brother like listen okay but you skipping over the thing so basically at that time

it was a lot it was a lot of both sides going on because because beans and free and all them they fucked with damn hard remember my loyalty was always with ho so it was always i'm on this side i used to tell niggas yo y'all niggas dipping over there. Niggas going, yo, y'all bugging. Don't y'all niggas just with me, bro. Let me be the devil's advocate. Let me be the devil's advocate. Because that was kind of confusing, right? Because Jay is the ultimate not hater, right?

He's not a hater. He doesn't care if you get money. But the thing about it is, like when people were at Rockefeller, Dame was like kind of more of a day-to-day person. Yeah. So if you didn't know, you was probably around Dame and not knowing

that this turmoil was pursuing. Mm-hmm. So was that fair to the artist or you should have been more aware? I told niggas, man. Axe, yo, listen. Axe PD Crack, Axe Freeway,

Axe Beans, Axe Dame. I had a solo conversation with each of them. I had a conversation with all of us together. I remember when Dame, when Ho was doing the Black Album, and we did MSG, and Dame was up there. They clipped this part out the DVD miraculously. Should have left this part. But yeah, Dame in there telling niggas, yeah, all y'all going to retire like this.

I'm like, no the fuck we ain't. Wait, Damon, they're telling niggas, yeah, all y'all gonna retire like this. No, the fuck we ain't. Wait, wait, wait. Why you lying to these niggas? No, we ain't. Hov retiring like this because Hov is that nigga. Until we spit them nigga bars, we ain't retiring like this, man. Y'all better hope y'all got a

retirement plan. Put this shit together. You see him. He getting out of here. He telling y'all, black retirement plan. Put this shit together. You see him. He getting out of here. He telling y'all, black album, fade to black. It's over. Y'all better get this shit together. Don't listen to this nigga. But what would have happened if they would have listened to you?

What? We would have kept this shit together. The boat wouldn't have had a hole in it. We wouldn't have fucking sunk. Damn, that's real. They would have came with me, my nigga. I would have been like Moses. You heard me?

Bringing all the animals. Come on, bro. With me, baby. me, my nigga. I'd have been like Moses, you heard me? Bringing all the animals. Come on, bro, with me, baby. I got the boat. I got the boat. We're going to sell this shit, you heard? But niggas wasn't listening to me. They wanted to go on that side and go over, and I'm telling them, they got the connections. He got the bag.

The bag bring the connections, so we can buy the connection. You feel me? Damn I never looked at it like that Yeah Give a fuck who you know I got money They gonna know me Right?

Word Alright That's real And I used to tell niggas Man I swear I tried to keep it together I wasn't the hater like On that Brooklyn

I used to talk to you and True Be like yeah fuck niggas But then I go back to the office Be like, yeah, fuck niggas. But then I'd go back to the office and be like, nah, man, this shit can't be over. What I'm going to do, baby? What the fuck?

I don't got no other skill. What you think I would do? Go lay carpet, nigga? Fuck. This is what I do. I'm going to pass the tickets later. You know, you know who's one of the people,

I'm sorry I'm bouncing all around, but it's one of the people I felt real, real sorry for, right? He's come to my studio at the Hood Lab. His name is Big Face Gary, right? Shout out Big Face Gary. Shout out Big Face.

Now, let me tell you something about Big Face. Big Face came to my studio and I would talk to him about anything. And he would be like, yeah, because Rockefeller. Like, you told him about anything. And he would be like, yeah, because Rockefeller. Like, you told him about baseball.

And he'd be like, yeah, because you know Jay is going to throw the first pitch tomorrow. And then you'd be like, yo, you know, Messi is going to play soccer. He'd be like, yeah, we got a Rockefeller booth in there. Like, he could. He related everything to Rockefeller. Yo, listen to me. Everything in his life consists. We're going to go get lunch.

Let's go by the building where Rockefeller's at. And I'm like, yo, and I told him one day, I said, yo, Gary, I said, what happens if Rockefeller ever be over? And he looked at me like,

as if I was the one in violation. He looked at me like, Rockefeller will never be over. I was with him, bro. I'm telling you, I never. He came to the hood lab that day when they closed the office. I ain't never seen a poppy face

like that in my life. Yo, bro. He was crushed. Yo, listen. Him and me both, bro. I never thought this shit was over. He was so crushed that I didn't even say, I told you so.

You know how when a nigga come to see you, what the? I told you so. And I just when a nigga come to see you, I told you so. And I just looked at him like, it's going to get good. I just gave him a fist pump. But you said you was with him. You didn't think it was going to be over. Yeah, I ain't want it to be over, bro. Like, we still had a lot to accomplish, man. You know what I'm saying?

There still was a lot of talent there. Like, think, Oskeno and Sparks never got off, man. Petey never got off You know what I mean? It's a lot of niggas Who didn't get a chance Caught up in grown man bullshit You know what I mean?

Just to prove a point And it's like You got people's lives In the middle of that You know what I'm saying? So I was crushed by that too, bro That shit wasn't a joke Like

It was like Damn, man The team Like Remember, I built my whole life Since 14 years old Rockefeller By the time I was what? 28? Almost 30? This shit was You talking about Zover? Like, remember, I built my whole life since 14 years old. Rockefeller.

By the time I was, what, 28? Almost 30? This shit was Detour Miles over. It was like, this is all I know. You fucking kidding me? No more baseline. Nigga, this is my hangout. Where I'm going to go now? Got to go back to Marcy?

Yeah, we got to shoot again, niggas. Oh. Like, yeah, like, so that shit changed up everything, man. And then everybody went their own way. And like I said, man, I told these niggas. Like, when I knew the final straw was at the Change Clothes video, man. Change Clothes. Yeah.

Me and Dame had a major argument because he was telling something to- Remember the major argument? Yeah, we always argue. Me and Dame always argue. Okay. Because it was just like, he used to be living on cloud nine, and it's like, I was on reality. I always say that. Niggas in the industry will pop every pill under the sun, but that reality pill.

These niggas don't want to accept when it's over. You know what I'm saying? Niggas will be in denial and fight against that shit. It's like, bro, you got to accept. Niggas don't fuck with you, dog. It's on. You got to do something else. And it was that.

Like, he was basically telling niggas, yeah, we going to fix this. We going to do it. And I'm looking at him like, bro, this shit over. And he looked at me and said, yo, you always going against everything I say. Like, you got a problem here. If you don't want to be with Rockefeller, nigga, I give you your walking papers. You know what I mean? Like, nigga, you ain't got the power to do that.

I'm not on Rockefeller because of you. You crazy? And I remember, like, they broke it up. Security came in there and cleared us out. They hove Godwin to what happened. And from there, that conversation, I knew. That shit was over, blood. Got to make new plans now

blizzle right now I ain't gonna lie I was a part of one of the conversations oh okay I was a part. That was another, I ain't gonna lie, I thought the pilots was listening to the argument too. I thought the pilots was into it. The pilots was like, oh shit.

I forgot what we was even arguing about. No, because remember me and you, we had performed back and forth. We had this song for song. We basically did a versus,

before versus. Me and you did it. And then, it was a beautiful show. I feel like we was even and Dane coming to you was like you just kept doing whole shit last night and nori killed you and you was like and then everyone else is sleep on the jet so dame is like right nori and then you like right nori and i'm like oh

shit if i'm caught in between and listen to me y'all went in. I know. It was a major, major. You was like, call UPS. You got to pack it up. I said, wait a minute. Somebody else wake up. Like, I'm kicking freeway. I'm throwing shit

at somebody else. Wake up. Jolly Ranch is that, niggas? Niggas is like, now they want to snore. Like, holy shit.

They want to make sure they know I'm sleeping. Me and Dame used to go at it All the time man Because Dame like Dame was a true believer man But he just was He was beyond belief man And I love him for that

And I hated him for it too When he fought for you It felt great And that's what I was about to say And now without having somebody On your team To fight for you that way You miss a Dame presence

You miss a dang president. You know what I'm saying? I will admit that. I respect them. At the end of the day, I love dang bigs, all of them. They changed my life. Without them men, I wouldn't be sitting here right now. You feel me?

That's real talk. They saved my life, bro. I feel like. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action.

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This is the first time I believe either one of them Or at least Dame Has actually addressed this And he was talking about Aaliyah And he was like He was like Yeah I think that

You know The saltiness Kind of started That Jay I believe Was talking to Aaliyah Then They stopped talking And then Dame Came in Sweet Right kind of started that Jay, I believe, was talking to Aaliyah.

Then they stopped talking, and then Dame came in. I ain't have no money then. These was them Hampton parties. I wasn't invited there. I was too hood. I respect that. Yeah, I ain't have no money then. That shit took place in the Hamptons.

I wasn't there, B. So I can't really speak on something I don't know. I don't recall Jay ever with Aaliyah. That was always Dame lady with me. God bless. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know where that angle come from,

but I don't know where any angle come from with Dame still speaking on the situation. That shit almost 30 years ago, bro. Niggas is on the new and better and other things.

Jehovah done created six, seven different businesses since the fall of Rockefeller. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, we still talking about that. You got a song called, but what are we talking about? Like,

you feel me? It's like, come on, man, you got to move on something else, man. Like, got to grow,

man. Life is about growing, be evolved, man. Evolve or dissolve, man. No, that's real shit.

I'm ready for group time. By the way, three sets, I'm toasting. You tore up? I'm toasting. But not toasting. Like, I'm like... All right, let's see what these characters put together. What y'all put together over here, man.

You got to explain to him the rules. Oh, yeah, because you never played group time. So we're going to give you two choices. I played this. No, you didn't. You didn't play this. No, you haven't played this. I play this. I helped invent this shit. I'm a third host.

I played this game. I didn't mean to explain it to him. Yes, shot. If you don't want to answer, take a shot. He played it before? Yes. Yo, this is fucked up. Everybody forgot how much I've been here.

I'm here. I'm part of the crew man okay Oh Okay. Big Daddy Kane or LL Cool J? Kane. We already know how this is going to go. Brooklyn is out of control, man. Brooklyn, let me tell you something. There's no more problem in the world. Oh, yeah, we need shots. Hold on, hold on, hold on. But, yeah, why not Kane over LL? What's the problem with that?

Everybody, Brooklyn always answers Brooklyn, no matter what. But I'm not even thinking about Brooklyn. No, I know. We just said what's been going on. I know why it's automatic. That's what's been going on. But I'm not even thinking about Brooklyn. I know. We just said what's been going on. You know why? It's automatic. That's what's been going on. But that's not the reason.

No. I believe you. I believe you. We need to put four or five Brooklyn people together, and they can't go against Brooklyn. Even when they wanted to. They thought about it. They go, Brooklyn. Okay.

Yeah. How are you going to do Biggie twice? Biggie or DMX? No, no. Tupac. He already did Biggie. Tupac or DMX. We didn't do Biggie. No, we didn't. to do Biggie twice? Biggie or DMX? No, no, Tupac. He already did Biggie. Tupac or DMX? We didn't do Biggie.

No, we did. That was Biggie. Oh, it's Biggs. Yeah. I thought you meant Biggie. Nah, Biggs. Oh, Biggs. So wait, wait.

Who is the what and what and who? I don't know what y'all just said right now. No, no. He knew the first one. He understood it. The first one, I thought it was Biggie the first time. No, I said Biggs. Jay-Z or Biggs.

Yeah, Jay-Z or Biggs. Yeah, Jay-Z or Biggs. Oh, okay. You understood that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so now this one is Biggie or DMX. Okay, my bad. Biggie. Okay.

EPMD or Run DMC? Run DMC. They had a bigger impact. You can do the next one. Beans or Freeway? Give me a shot. Okay. Give me a shot.

Cheers, cheers, cheers. I'm going to take this shot with you. By the way. Welcome back. Okay. Yo, this guy, this guy, this guy is welcome back the whole time. Like the devil. Yeah. Come on. You have have to drink You have to drink To get it That wasn't around That was between me and you That wasn't around We ain't got the children of God

You bringing out personal shit Naughty by nature Or onyx Naughty by nature Cause it's tretch Yeah definitely tretch Come on man You got them verses

Tell me yo Chill See you a DJ You don't answer this question from the Tretch. Come on, man. You got them verses. Tell me, yo, chill. See, you a DJ. You don't answer this question. Tell me the third member name of Aonix. Okay. Who said that?

Crazy Hood. Yeah, there you go. Okay. That could be a trivia. A lot of people don't know that answer. Yeah, yeah. That's some hip-hop shit. Okay.

Y'all just picked Latinos on this one? What's going on with this one? This is mad racist right here. Petey. Yo, chill. Petey Crack or Joel Ortiz? Mad racist. Joel Ortiz.

Over Petey Crack? Yeah. Nah, Slime. You want to bring this? Nah, listen. Petey Crack got your phone number. Chill. I know Joel Oteez since Joel Oteez was about 10 years old.

Get out of here. Yeah, Joel Oteez grew up in my aunt building. Him, my cousin, Liv and Proof, all of them grew up together. Wait, so it goes back to Brooklyn. Yeah. He's from Cooper Projects, man. I watched him grow up. You know what I'm saying?

So it's a difference. It's like Petey family, but Joel, like, Joel, come on. I watched him grow up, man. And they both nice as a motherfucker. MJ or Prince? MJ.

Okay. I know this is going to sound a little funny, but did you smell Michael Jackson? Yo, chill. Nah, nah, nah. I've never met him,

so I don't know. Like, did he smell like that? That was the only That was the only person I've ever been starstruck for That's why I'm not In the picture tonight Cause I was just standing there

Stilling all like Yo, fucking Ho Really got Michael Jackson At summer chair Like in the back with us I was blown away so When I was making Grimy Janet Jackson was filming

She was recording right next door. So in order for her to walk in, she wanted everyone to walk out the session. So it was me, Chris Lighty, Pharrell, Ray J. I don't know why Ray J and Brandy was there, but they were there. Ray J and Brandy. So the security walks in and says, Janet Jackson won't walk in unless y'all walk out. So I said, Janet Jackson? And they're like, Janet Jackson. And Chris Light Unless y'all walk out So I said Janet Jackson? And they's like Janet Jackson

And Chris Lay's like Fuck that I ain't Chris Lay's like fuck that How much did she pay? Cause I know she ain't pay more than me I said yo Listen

I said Chris I don't ask for a lot of things I said but when Penny from Good Times Asks for something I get the fuck up And I move Chris So I got the fuck up

And he had not moved And I had I literally had to say Penny me. So I got the fuck up. And he would have not moved. And I literally had to say, Penny from Good Times. I didn't even say Janet Jackson. That's right. I said Penny from Good Times. You know, niggas had that crush on Penny. Yeah. But, yeah, Michael Jackson.

Penny was hurting like us, too. You ain't get to smell Michael Jackson. Nah. Jesus Christ. I mean, you never know. I don't smell no man. Oh, God. He might have smelled like what you smelled if you walked by.

He might have smelled like Chris Dumeck. Would you smell shit? Would you have smelled like I don't know what I might have said You would have been like Come here Michael Chill Chill man Let me take a hit

The other day Nah I ain't gonna lie The other day Fat Joe came to the juice bar And I I was like, what you got on? And he just was like, eh. Oh, chill. And I start to do that on. Like, when I get a slush of cologne, niggas are like, what you got on?

I'm like, I got that on. Exactly. That's it. I don't want niggas to know. You don't want niggas smelling like you, bro. Oh, shit. What's up? A male or Eve?

Eve, man. Eve my peoples, man. Shout out with the lovely Eve man I knew Eve when she was Eve of Destruction Yeah that's right Same here Rough Riders man She's a beast

I knew her when she was signed to Dr. Dre Oh shit Nah I don't know that Straight out of Philly Straight out of Philly Dr. Dre and them people Called me

I had to go to Philly Eve of Destruction Scott Storch was producing it And Mel man Yeah I go back that far Yeah I'm a legend I've. I've been a legend. I'm sorry. It ain't about me, my bad. Did you smell her? Yo, true. Love it. That's right.

I love sex. I love sex. Illmatic or ready to die? You're going to take a shot? All right, I'm taking a shot. Shit. Shit. Coina. Coina. I got to chase that one with some water.

Y'all niggas trying to kill me. Oh, these niggas think you an old nigga, Blee. I'm just basing it on his next question. Old soul. No, he's an old soul. Or the Palladium. No, you've been around with the Palladium. Yeah, Palladium, man.

I watch Hov and Biggie perform in the Palladium. That's right. Big Daddy Kane was just here. He just told us about that. Fab or Jada Kiss? Don't go Brooklyn. Jada, man. Jada?

Jada. Can you win against Brooklyn? Yeah, Jada. Okay, all right. You do do that. All right, love that. Jada. Fab cool, but Jada the homie.

Okay. Ha ha. Yo, this one got to be some bullshit. He laugh before he even ask it. That's DJ. By the way, me and EFN don't make these questions. It's the Dominican and the Colombian right there. Yo, chill.

OG Juan or Dame Dash? OG Juan. Okay. Trick Daddy or Rick Ross? Trick. Brown hair. Trick. Brown hair.

Trick the homie. Trick. I done been in fucking Cocos with Trick. Bruh. You ain't smoke his blunt, though. No, come on. Stop that. You said both. Yo, listen.

Yo, chill. Shout out Ross, too. Chill. Nah, chill. Nah, I love him. I love him. That's my brother, yeah. Ain't smoking blunt, though. No, come on. Stop that. Could've said both. Yo, listen. My brother. Yo, chill. Shout out Ross, too. Nah, chill. Nah, I love him. I love him. That's my brother, yeah. We ain't smoking them blunts. We smoke separate.

We hang together. Smoke separate. That's your chill. That's my brother. I don't know him. That's right. I just went on this podcast. He understands.

He knows. Yo, you's a fool, man. Ready? Okay, you want to go this one? Ice Cube or Scarface? Ice Cube. French Montana or Skinny Joe? Who the fuck is Skinny Joe?

You know who he is. The double all the way up remix. Oh, of course. Skinny Joe. Okay, okay. Nigga said Skinny Joe. That's why we got to stop. We got to stop going in fact.

Yo, that's Medium Joe there. Nah, he like, he's about to wear Medium. See? He's about to wear Bugle Boy jeans. Nah, he's about to wear medium. See? He's about to wear Bugle Boy jeans. Yo, chill. Are those Bugle Boys you're wearing? You remember Bugle Boy? Is this shopping Alexander?

Oh, nah. I shopped at Alexander. Ocean Pacific, you don't remember that? Yeah, I remember Ocean Pacific. That's a fact. Nigga, I shopped at Dave and Buster's, nigga. Not Dave and Buster's. I mean Buster Brown.

I'm like, Dave and Buster's? Buster Brown. Dave and Buster's, nigga. Not Dave and Buster's. I mean Buster Brown. I'm like, Dave and Buster's? The Buster Brown. Dave and Buster's is a video game. Nobody had that problem. You see? Nobody shopped at Dave and Buster's. Nobody had that problem. I didn't get too much liquor.

I didn't get too early for this liquor shit, man. I ain't used to being lit this early. Not Dave and Buster's. And I need a lot of flashing lights and girls in front of me to contain this liquor. Okay. Pharrell or Timbaland? Timbo. Was that your bitch?

Timbo. That your bitch? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? That your bitch? Hey, poppy, even if you don't understand, you know what I mean? Okay. That's a good one.

I'm going to let you get that one. AZ or Cormega? AZ. AZ from Brooklyn, baby. Damn. Look at that. You one. I'm going to let you get that one. AZ or Cormega? AZ. AZ from Brooklyn, baby. Damn. You know what I'm saying? Look, it took you one second. You just went right back to Brooklyn.

He regressed. You got on the BQ Evo one second, and then turned around. And then did a U-turn. AZ, nah. Niggas don't know. Niggas used to study AZ flow back in the day. AZ was that guy, man. Come on.

He was in that president video. He said that. Yeah. That wasn't a good roll, but it was good. He was in Dead President video. He said that. Yeah. That wasn't a good role, but it was good. It wasn't a good role? No, it wasn't. Okay.

They was rolling real Dice Monopoly though, right? Yeah, I know. That's the rule. No, that. Yeah. He was in that. That's a fact.

That's what I'm talking about. Let's get it. Okay. You want to go to the ladies? Missy or Lauryn Hill? Lauryn. The sauce or XXL? Sauce. I want to ask this one. The Sauce or XXL? Sauce

I want to ask this one Smooth the Hustler or Sauce Money? Sauce Money, man Marcy, man Come on, you can't Come on Yo, let me just tell you something Since we did a deal with Tidal

Sauce Money thinks he's bad Won't drink jam Yo Absolutely not I didn't see him say something about that Yeah, I don't know why. Sauce the homie, man. Sauce my nigga.

I remember I tried to battle sauce it. Marcy, what the? I was feeling myself like, yeah, I'm going to be the nigga. I'm going to be hove, man. You think you close to hove? Wait until that hove hit his shit. You don't want no smoke, nigga. Nigga like, what, Blee?

Let me hear something. Spit. He's like, all right, cool. He spit. That's when he said the line, niggas must think I'm Chinese the way they duck sauce. Like, yo, chill.

I'm quick. You got it. You officially whole man. Right? You have the title. My nigga is yours. Fuck it. Yeah, he's a...

Well, maybe I'm supposed to know you've not banned Diddy or Old Diddy. Yeah, nah, nobody banned sauce, man. Nigga's too busy. How you ban somebody from something?

I want to know, niggas be like, yo, because there's a couple people I know be like, yo, they blackball me. How do you do that? You call every station

be like, yo, don't play this kid. Who the fuck got that time in the day? I'm going to be honest, the further I got in life when the person said they was blackballed

is more of a loser people Yeah like Because they need something to blame They need something to say You need an excuse And especially Illuminati too They be like Well he's Illuminati

Yeah My thing is That killed me With the Hov and them They drunk They Illuminati Why the fuck I ain't drink dinner

Huh I just went to the party Let anybody get Illuminati waisted And I said Yo I'ma I'ma stay

No I'm cool Tonight's the night I'm on my Norris shit 36 hours clean My birthday coming y'all I'm not doing a blood sacrifice today Fuck out of here I would've been in there

Vampire from Brooklyn nigga You think Eddie had it Me nigga Fuck out of here I would have been in there vampire for Brooklyn, nigga. You think Eddie had it? Me, nigga. Fuck out of here with that, nigga. He was bugging with that one. He would have jumped in. What they say, bloody? Meek and low.

That's me. I'm in there, nigga. Are you kidding me? Fuck out of here. What they say, head down. I'd have dived in a pool of kidding me Fuck out of here When they say head dive I done dived in the pool of blood Fuck out of here Illuminati

It's called the Illuma Grinding nigga Fuck out of here Oh shit Good Meek Miller push a T Meek You skipped over the sauce accent No you asked me I said sauce

Okay my bad That lick is acting up already I ain't gonna lie listen Not to dwell on the Meek Pusha T shit But I'm a B keep it real Well Meek and Pusha T don't got no B No

You talking about Drake? You talking about the light skinned guard over here Who? Drake We don't take no We the light-skinned guard over here? Who? Drake. We don't accept Drake's land over here. Drake is damn near Puerto Rican to us. Drake is goaty. I ain't got no beef with Drake.

Drake is sing your ass out the game. Leave Drake alone. Yeah, leave him alone. But listen, Pusha T, he's mega nice, right? Yeah. We not going to take that away. But I can honestly say, man, the rap game don't hold him to the same standards they hold everybody else to.

Because I seen them do this to Jeezy. I seen them do it to Ross. Seen them do it to me. They say niggas talk about the same thing all the time. Yo, you need to switch it up. My man been talking about coke since. You kidding me, nigga? Pablo was alive when he wrote his first coke verse.

You ain't wrong about that. You kidding me? That nigga said he got the... What the... Harry Potter roof, nigga? You got coke on the roof, nigga. It's time to switch it up. That's how nice he is. It don't sound the same. Like,

that nigga mega nice. Metaphors through the roof. And I know everybody was thinking Jim Jones was bugging for getting in that smoke, but Jimmy took that smoke and hit him with that. I want to see the comeback, but Jimmy smoked out. Yeah. He surprised me.

I told Jim what happens if Pusha T said he wasn't talking about him. Yo, I seen that. Jim said he would be hurt. Yo, I seen that. Because that is some bullshit. Because niggas do right rhymes, and you be like, yo, he's talking about me. They be like, nigga, I wasn't even thinking about you. Because it wasn't like when you were Nas.

You was like, you said it was written. You was bugging, bleep. Yeah, yeah. Yo, bro, I already admitted that. Yo, two drink cheers and go. Yo, we not good. We got to play back the tape. We got to play back the tape.

Yo, I admit it. I bought my hat. It's cool. Like, sometimes you got to go. You test the water and see niggas just smoke their boots. I had to go get my big brother. Yo, hold me down. Niggas jumping.

Who was the dude? It was a dude in the projects. My little man from the hood named Jabba. He set you up. Set me up. Call me. Yo, niggas talk about you. What you ain't?

Let me hear it. Nigga ain't talk about me, man. What joint did you throw at Nas to talk about you at? I don't know. He said something. I think it was Nostradamus because he said, you want beef? I'll let a slug melt

in your hat. Some shit like that he was saying. Nigga like, yeah, you talking about you who wear hats? Everybody,

nigga. Yo, yo, yo, you know I was on my project shit like you lying. I got to own it down.

Marcy, nigga. Fuck niggas think they talking to. But it's cool. Shit happens, man. It's over with. It's done. Niggas is back friends. That's dope, but I

always wanted to ask you, because even if he went at you, right? If you thought that that was the truth, right? Yeah. That was a side shot. Why did you go so direct? Like, why didn't you try to take a side shot back? Because once you say it was written, there's no way to take it away.

So that wasn't a side shot. That was a straight up head on collision. I never, I wasn't the kid who used to break windows and run. So I don't know how to do sneaky shit. I know how to punch you in your face and say, yeah, they got outblooded your shit up. Here we go. It's on. You feel me?

Like, so I was never a sneaky kid. so I know how to come full-fledged direct. Like, nigga, it's on. It's smoke. What's up? And then shit just went crazy, monumental, historic. We didn't still talk about it to this day. It's like, goddamn, bleep, you violated. You started some bullshit.

That's like I fucking started an earthquake somewhere. Nigga, like, yo, who did the earthquake? Bleep. Like, yo, you know what I'm saying? And especially, not an earthquake, a hurricane, because the hurricane starts in the middle of the ocean, and then it goes to the land. Yeah, I started some bullshit, man.

Fuck it. It's cool. We'll get back to that later. I take responsibility for that. Let's see where you land on this one. ODB or Bismarck E? OD. ODB?

You ever gave ODB a handshake? Hell yeah. You know, Dame, yo, told you, Dame was wild. Dame signed everybody to Rockefeller. We was like a fucking rap game. What they called the shelter. Everybody had a deal. He was always Oprah shit.

You get a deal. You get a deal. You get a deal. He was always Oprah shit. Everybody got a deal. You get a deal. You get a deal. He was always Oprah shit. Everybody got a deal. You speak, deal. We had niggas from London, niggas from Poland. We had SAS. Everybody, nigga. You kidding me? You could have got a deal. Mobb Deep or M.O.P.?

M.O.P.? Damn. Like, listen. That That to the death album Raised me man Like I respect Mobb Deep Don't get me wrong P and Havoc That first album

That wasn't even Their first album No it's the second album Are you talking about It's the second album You're talking about the infamous Yes That infamous album

Is still Nobody even rhyming I don't even think Prodigy knew What level of Spect spectrum he was on that because he never even really even got back to that. That level of rhyming on that project, bro, was... That was a super classic.

Come on, bro. It was through the roof. And M.O.P. is just... M.O.P. was what Tupac was to everybody to Brooklyn. You know what I mean? M.O.P., you wanted to shoot some shit up. You played some M.O.P. How about some hardcore?

You know what I'm saying? Like, that to the death album, you play that to the death, just that beat. I'm still ready to put my chukkas on and stomp somebody. Yeah, M.O.P. Video music box or your MTV raps? Video music box, man. Ralph?

That's right, man. That was classic, man. Ralph McDaniels was in the hood with the major VCR, VHS, camcorder in the gray mic like a news reporter. In the trenches. Ralph was in the trenches. And he was there with y'all right after Michael Jackson, too. Yeah, Ralph was in the trenches.

Ralph, the reason we got clipped, they said. You see? Ralph did that interview. We went and did that interview. We went and been clipped, Ralph. Eminem or Snoop? Snoop. Snoop my dog.

I got Snoop cereal the other day, too. Yeah, I got it. It's him and Master P, right? Yeah, my daughter talk about, can we try it? No, little girl, this shit monumental. Don't sit down. Just Blaze or Kanye West? Just.

Don't you Just Blaze got a joint with Rihanna? What's the name of it? That's not by Just Bink. Oh, that's not Just Blaze? No, Bink produced that. Bink. Yeah, Bink, the monster. That's Just Enemy. Yo, chill. Man, I modeled Nah, Bink produced that. Bink. Oh, that's Just Enemy.

Yo, chill. I'm modeling it just now. Bink, my bad. Holy shit. Bink, my bad. That was like the ultimate. You did some funny shit. Yo, I totally forgot.

I remember I used to go to Bink crib in Jersey. We had the crib in Jersey. And I said something about Just. I think it was like, we don't say that name in this house.

It's like, what? You don't say Just Bing? Just again. That's Blatch for me. We don't say that name in this house. It's like, what? You don't say Just Blaze Jed of the Gang. That's Blatch for me. We don't say that name in this house. He really had to sign up. No saying Just Blaze in this house. Yo, this nigga's in your head. He was like, nah, man, he stole my style.

My style, my drums. You know who else says that, too? Like, to a certain extent? Ye. Whatever album it was, they feel like Bink and Ye started Whatever album it was, they feel like Bink and Ye started the album and then Just came

and completed the album. And they never, yeah, Blue Tremend. And they kind of like never really got, they both have the same story, Bink and Ye,

I swear to God. Just as, yo, listen. But it's not Just's fault. Just was called to, you know, to handle a job. And it's called

Still Stop Shopping Still, right? I'm going to learn something from you if I'm around you every day and you got a skill stop shopping still, right? I'm going to learn something from you if I'm around you every day and you got a skill that I don't possess. I'm going to eventually

pick up off it, right? Yeah, it's going to roll off. It's just natural instinct. That's what happens. I remember when Beans first signed. Remember, I was the only artist with me and Sauce Money. And then something happened

with Jay and Sauce and there was no Sauce Money. It was just Bleak. Everything was Bleak. Then they signed Beans and it was like, who the fuck is bleak? Everything was Beans. And I was like, let me see who the fuck this nigga is, man. Coming in my turf, taking my shit.

Now I went in the studio and they was like, yeah, y'all got to do a record together. I was like, all right, cool. What was this record called? Crew Love. So I'm like, yeah. That was the first record? Yeah. So I'm going to spit my verse.

Do my shit. Fuck. I thought y'all friends by that then already. Nope. Listen. Do my shit. Fuck. I thought y'all were friends by then already. Nope. Listen. Do my shit. Fuck these Philly niggas. Make believe, crew.

He came in there. That Monopoly verse. I was like, wait a minute. Who the fuck is this nigga? Wait a minute. Y'all ain't tell me this nigga was this nigga. Nigga, we got to be friends. Get over here.

I want to drama with you. No. I want to learn from you, nigga. Get over here. We need to chat a little bit. You heard? Yo, word. All those songs. Crew Love, Thousand Bars. I hated all those records. I hated them all. I used to listen to them. I used to be like,

this nigga's fucking smoking me. So it wasn't until we did Who the Fuck or What to where I was like, It felt good. got your shit bleak. And that's learning from Beans, being in the studio,

working with him. You know that make you better. He elevated you too. We did Hypnotic. All those records together was because of Beans. Although you're just talking about the drink, Hypnotic.

Nah, nah. The song, Hypnotic. Me, him, and Hov. You drink Hypnotic. I those records together was because of Beans. Although you're just talking about the drink, Hypnotic. Nah, nah. The song, Hypnotic. Me, him, and Hov. You drink Hypnotic. I ain't never drink that. I never drink colorful drinks, man. You out your mind? I'm going to make it colorful.

It's not going to come already colorful. That shit is like buying a Spike drink. I'm cool. They're going to tell me this fucking blue shit is going to get me drunk. I'm cool. All right. KRS-One or Rakim? KRS, man. KRS, man or Rakim? KRS, man.

KRS, man. He's the GOAT, man. KR, the greatest, man, ever to me. KR is the best ever to me. Like, always. Like, that's the first album I ever bought, man. That's what made me fall in love with hip-hop. I'm criminal-minded?

That's right, man. That made me fall in love with hip-hop. I love Criminal Minded. Just two records I could not fuck with. I know you can. I know. And you still fucked with him. He smoked niggas' books, man.

He still fucked with them. Let's be honest. But I just didn't play it in public. Yo, KR, he's the greatest, man. I assume this is movies. State property two or paid in full? I'm in them both. Be careful.

I think he knows. I'm going to say state property two. That's right, goddamn it. I saw it say State property 2 That's right god damn I saw State property 2 So what was in your mind When they told you You were going to die On state property 1

Listen Let me tell you The story behind that I never read the script Okay So I didn't know I was going to die You didn't know

You were going to die No So I just came in the office Niggas talking about Yo we doing the movie Okay cool Me Whoever the gangster is That's me So they gave me the script No, so I just came into office niggas talking about yo we doing the movie. Okay, cool me whoever the gangsta is That's me. They gave me the script. I never read it

So when I show up on on set they used to be like bleep you gotta shoot your scene I said like what's my lines like yo, you ain't read the script. No, I never read the script So just to write my lines now little piece of paper Give it to me to remember and then I would go on set and do the scene. And then the day when they told me I was going to die, it was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. We got to rewrite the script. They was like, yo, you never read the script, so you didn't know you was going to die. It was like, why y'all killing me, though?

I got the best role. Like, I'm the killer. I'm putting in work. Wow, I'm doing really good. I'm a good actor. They kill me off. But that wasn't the highlight of the movie. The best shit of the movie, man, is the scene with me and Tata, yo.

Yo, listen. Tata? Oh, my fucking God. I don't remember Tata. It's a scene with me and Tata in the movie when he tell me to tell Bean Suck my dick. Yo, listen. We probably shot that scene 4,000 times. Because every time

I cross the street, yo, my nigga, what's up? Yo, niggas would just bust out laughing. Because remember, Tata OG. You don't talk to Tata like, yo, what the fuck?

Who the fuck? You know? It's not. It's just certain shit you just don't do. And then you around a nigga every day. So itata like, yo, what the fuck? Who the fuck? You know, it's not just certain shit. You just don't do it. Then you around a nigga every day. So it was like, come on, then he got it. So when I got over my part, like, okay, cool. Now, mind

you, no niggas don't be like, yo, suck my dick. So for him to say that to me, yo, the director was done with us. Like, yo, y'all niggas costing us money, man. We running over budget, man. Y'all got to get this scene done with. Yo, that, yo, that'all niggas costing us money, man. We running over budget, man. Y'all got to get this scene done with. Yo, that scene probably

took two days for us to do. No bullshit. No bullshit. We could not get that scene done for nothing. And me dying. If you look at the cut scenes, like the out,

like you know how they have the outtakes of the movie? Look at the dying scene of me. I think it's going to last forever. I couldn't fall for nothing. It's the only nigga who got shot and stood up. Word up. I got shot stood up Was the worst fall in history so for the record when they were shooting state property to you was hey, let's start it out there

I hate it all young All y'all niggas cuz they killed me I'd have been in there putting in work on my man right here, thugging y'all bitch ass niggas out. Y'all need to kill me. Y'all need to add some muscle, y'all sucker ass niggas. Now you got to read them scripts. You know what's funny? I get the word that they're filming

the movie and I forget that Bleak dies in the movie. And you hit me. I hate you because they hit me and they go, yo, you're the only black and Puerto Rican person that we know that could fulfill for P.D. Crack. So my only request, like his name was Pedro.

I was like, I don't want to be Pedro because I wanted to be more. So they came and they read it over. So the first person I call is Bleak. I'm like, yo, I think I got this shit. He's like, man, fuck them, man. He's like, they killed me in part one. And I did that. I'm a really bad guy.

And he definitely called me like, yo, I got the movie. I'll be a sick property too, my nigga. We gonna do it out there. I'm like, what? Man, fuck that movie, man. That nigga's killed me in part one. I totally forgot. But you also was in Paper Soldiers. Yeah. And you know what's dope about your role in Paper Soldiers?

No. Fuck that. I dug Dave for like six months for that movie. I did not want to do that movie. Because this was at the time when Rockefeller was breaking up. So he was shooting Death of a Dynasty at the same time. I never understood. So I was like, fuck everybody.

I'm not getting in this movie So he used to be calling me Yo Bleak I need you to be in the movie You go do the scene Alright Alright dang cool Is that why all your lines

Is rap lines Yup Cause I never wanted to do it So I guess he called Jay He pulled out a gun What the fuck What What

Every scene Like damn Bleak And Jay called me And was like Yo Bleak Come on man For me bro Do the movie

so I did it and Dame always felt the way about that cause I remember he said to me you wouldn't do it unless Jay called you and he said that to me

like damn I've been looking for you for months to do this shit Hov called you once and you go do it like that's some bullshit I remember he said that shit to me

let's take a shot for Dame and take a shot for your loyalty let's work for both god damn man god damn god damn Salud. I definitely had fun at State Property, too.

I definitely did. Thank y'all for that experience. Yeah, not me. I wasn't there. I was in spirit. They had me in spirit. You could have hated. You did not hate.

That bop going to hit me hard this time. Okay. Still on me? No, no. I got it. Okay, go ahead. I think I got it. Oh, DJ Clue hit me hard this time. Okay. Still on me? No, no, I got it. Okay, go ahead. I think I got it. Oh, DJ Clue or Funk Flex?

Flex, man. Clue, my man. I can't. Clue, my man. Right. Went on tour with Clue. But Clue, don't fuck with me because it's some fake ass, I don't know, they think me and Fab, I don't fuck with Fab or something.

But Clue never really rocked with Bleak. Why? You definitely picked Jadakiss fast. Yeah, but no. Fab, I don't fuck with Fab or something, but Clue never really rocked with Bleak. Why? You definitely picked Jadakiss fast. Yeah, but no. Fab my bro. I fuck. I see Fab. I show mad love.

I never had no problem with. This is the thing. Let me be honest. Google anything in this industry. I never had a problem with nobody. I do not wake up and watch another man and say, you know what? I'm going to make an issue with this nigga. What the fuck did Fab ever do to me or me ever do to him for it to be some beef?

Like, I don't know. Where? Where it come from? It always been some imaginary, like, fake shit there. But me and Fab brother is major cool. Okay. Yeah, major cool. You know what I'm saying?

But it always been some fake shit there and Clue, I think always was like, yeah, fuck blitz. I thought it was Clue the whole time and Skane Dollar too. Nah, Skane my bro.

I brought my first truck from Skane. You kidding me? Skane my fucking brother. I love that nigga. Clue, I love Clue too, you know, but it just,

me and Clue just never, never built that bond and we was on tour together and everything. We just never, never got cool. I always got cool with the niggas around.

Clue showed love, but always been like, hey, whatever, Bleak. So, you know, it's that. So, it's safe to say Clue won't be hosting your next mixtape. Clue never hosted a mixtape for Bleak. It's real. But he put you on his tapes.

Because I was on a song with Hov. Of course. No, I'm trying to make it real. He didn't put a Bleak song up there. No Bleak song. on his tapes? Because I was on a song with Hov. Of course. Come on, try that. Try that. He didn't put a bleak song up there. No bleak song. He didn't.

Think, I made the first Clue tape. Every other Clue tape was awesome Hov shit. Like, it was cool. It's not bad. A lot of times the big economic forces

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No DJ, no DJ, no... Put it this way. No DJ, no artist, no producer, no program director. Nobody in this industry has ever offended me the way I feel some type of way about you niggas. I don't think about these niggas. I'm always on the check. That's all I think about. So if that's your last name in the check, then you on my mind. Simple.

I respect that. NWA or Public Enemy? NWA baby They come on They the reason we do this gangster shit Straight out of Compton But shit Public Enemy

Reason why we call niggas son They had the first S1Ws I'm sorry what did you say? Public Enemy The reason why we call people son is cause of Public Enemy How? They had the S1Ws.

Son 1Ws. I thought it was Soldier. We called it Son 1. But word. That's where we got it from in Brooklyn. Word. I think that was some

what they called you know FOI shit? Yeah. Yeah. They shit they was on. Yeah. Okay.

Analog or digital? Digital. Digital? You on that new wave shit? Yeah, man. Shit faster. Be that analog shit, ain't got time to wave.

Fuck all that shit, man. Fuck that shit. Rough Riders or Cash Money? Rough Riders, baby. They're my bros, man. Right. All of them. D, Y, you know,

Swiss, X, Drag On. Smart nigga. Me and Drag On had a battle too. you know, Swiss, X, Drag On. My nigga, me and Drag On had a battle too. You know what I'm saying? Drag On smoked you. Keep it real. You out your mind. Drag On stepped this shit up though. That nigga still be going hard now. He's spitting

super deadly right now. Word. But yeah, nah, me and Drag Bang made you cool, man. Okay. Reasonable doubt or in my lifetime. Okay. Reasonable doubt or In My Lifetime, volume two? Reasonable doubt. That's what set it off. Reasonable doubt, hands down. Men's Society or Boys in the Hood?

Boys in the Hood. Okay. Boys in the Hood is with Ice Cube, right? Yeah. And it was first. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty. So loyalty comes respect.

I'm going to take a shot for that. Not me. I'm cool. I'm shot it out. Niggas shot me up. Niggas shot me up, B. I'm going to hit up. No. So I'm going to get back to the verses and COVID. Thank you. And COVID?

Yeah. Because I called you and I was like, you're bleak. You know the verses and COVID. Thank you. And COVID? Who want smoke? Because I called you and I was like, you're bleak. You know, I was just fucking with you. And you had a whole verse. You remember that verse? I had mad smoke for niggas. Okay. But you want me to smoke niggas? I want to hear that verse.

Come on, man. Why you want me to smoke? Dude, you remember? That verse is hard. Yo, Cheech, you want me to smoke niggas? Come on, let's come on i don't want to start no drama you've been started the drama believe me i don't think i remember it yeah it was a specific verse like if it was drama if we

have an aversive battle you know it's like a. Like when Jada stopped his rhyme, he's like, you know, I'm pussy. Y'all neighbors. Yeah, no, it's a little, it's very, very disrespectful. I don't want to do that. Oh, it's disrespectful? I didn't know that. Yeah, it's very, very, it's versus, baby. We getting busy, right?

Okay. It's called don't bring a knife to a gunfight, baby. I bring a bomb. So, all right, so let's just be clear. Yeah, I don't want to, you know what I mean? So you saying that you're not worried about if Jewel's come out to, Dipset, Dipset, my tongue is bang, bang. Well, that shit fire.

That shit cool. That shit dope. That's cool what that mean. I'm supposed to be like, oh, shit. Tuck your socks, your guru. Pack up, guru. Pack up, guru. We going home, guru.

Well, clearly you got guru as the DJ. And Just Blaze. Okay. And Just Blaze. Pack up, guru. But Just Blaze kind of like Dipset, Goo. We going home, Goo. Clearly, you got Guru as the DJ. And Just Blaze. Okay. And Just Blaze. Pack up, Goo. But Just Blaze kind of like dips that, too. Don't do that. He did. Oh, boy.

Don't fuck. That's cool. He did do that. And I always want to fuck him up for that. But I can't. All right? Wait, what? What? But I can't That's my brother I love him

Wait what You know what I'm saying Wait I didn't I didn't hear this story I think he's trying to say I passed up on old boy You got your old boy Fucking mind

Fuck I had to Hit you in the head With an old boy Wait Why they said You had the record first First what I had it first

When Cam Rock Rapped on First what? I had it first when Cam'ron rapped on it. Holy shit. You heard it first. Yeah, just like I ain't never liked the fact he gave Buttons Pump It Up 2. Fuck out of your nigga. You don't give shit like that away. And I never liked the fact he gave Fab that other shit. The fuck is that record?

Smoke with Fab Smoke the ride To the video With the Bentley The two-way pager Damn what song Is this fucking song? Breathe

Yes I was sick on that too Breathe He should have gave you I was sick on that I'll be honest He was out of line a little bit No I ain't no fucking out of line

Past that What's the other Two records he just named? Pump It Up No I don't want to hear you On Pump It Up sir It may not be Pump It Up It might have been T? Oh, Pump It Up. No, I don't want to hear you on Pump It Up, sir. It may not be Pump It Up.

It might have been Tuck It Up. It's just that Pump It Up is in my head. That's why it's in your head. He wants a record in your head, too. Okay, okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? I never even heard these beats. I'm thinking of them. Now, the one beat they said I passed up on, cool.

Oh, the Black Rob, God bless, you know? Whoa. Whoa. Now, think about it. He got the beat and came up with the concept, whoa. They act like I passed up on that concept. You take that concept away from that beat, would it still be that monumental?

No, probably not. You understand what I'm saying? Like, that's his thought, to get the beat and say, whoa. That's like me being unfair if I was to tell you, yo, Redman passed up on the Mind Right beat.

When he heard it, he didn't hear Mind Right. When I heard it, I did. You know what I'm saying? So you can't say somebody passed up on something unless you gave them the idea with the beat

and they passed up on that. Then that's a fair beat. Like, yo, they let that go. And the beat for it. Jigga, jigga, that nigga jigga. It was Nori, Nori, that nigga Nori. I was like, oh, I ain't fucking with that. Then that's a fair be like, yo, he let that go. And the beat for it. Jigga, jigga, that nigga,

jigga. It was Nori, Nori, that nigga Nori. I was like, I don't know, I ain't fucking with that. Then I heard Hov on it.

I was like, fuck. Yo, yo. I was like, how did he see that? And they had the hook and everything on it.

No, but see, now that's something you can say you pat they gave you the vision. Damn, nigga, we friends.

He said you don't be fucked up. I get slaughtered for this shit. Like niggas be on Twitter like Bleak is bugging. He passed on. Whoa. No I didn't pass on. Whoa.

Passed on the beat. You know what else I passed on? Um. Holler back youngin. Woo woo. Holler back youngin. Woo woo. A lot of people don't know.

I respect Pharrell You know what Pharrell Told me to do Pharrell told me to go Study Ice Ice Baby That's exactly what that song is And he said He said

Study Ice Ice Baby And on the second day Of me studying Ice Ice Baby I called him back I said I can't do it I said I can't do it And he said You know what

Fuck it And that's how Homeboy came about Homeboy Because If you listen to Hollaback Youngin Is Is Roland And he said, you know what? Fuck it. And that's how Homeboy came about. Yo, Fab murdered that shit. Because if you listen to it, Hollaback Youngin is rolling. Go to see it.

Dash, dash, O2. He just blacked out. Go listen to it. It's the same exact flow. Yeah. It's Hollaback Youngin is ice, ice, baby. It's the same exact shit. I remember when I first heard it And Fab spit it That rolling Go to see the

Stash in the dash Hold to I was like Yo hold on This nigga on a different level That was Look I did the same thing

So Pharrell gave me the same thing And said What I want you to do The Jungle Brothers over So it was Uncle Sam Mike G Say what

That joined the slam With his manager Chris That joined the slam 5,000 Booming watts Sound system State of the art Now listen to mine In a R Pop E Say what? That joint is slammed. What is manager Chris? That joint is slammed. 5,000 booming watts. Sound system. State of the art. Now listen to mine.

In a R, pop E. Say what? That nigga's the man. What is manager? Only thing I left was manager Chris. What is manager Chris? And the label of the jam still flossing. So on your watts. Ain't you dudes heard Grammy and every soul your watch.

It's the same exact thing, different vocals. But let me ask you, why wouldn't you ever listen to him if he's never been wrong with these records? Pharrell's been wrong? What the fuck you mean? Yeah. With you? We just ain't throwing out. Yeah.

With you? Yeah. Because I remember that. What was the record that was in L.A.? When he was telling you to do something, he was like. No, he wanted me to do it in Spanish. To try it out. To try some Spanish.

Yeah. I couldn't do it at that time. Nah. Yeah. I mean, I saw't do it at that time. Nah. Yeah. I mean, I saw where it was going. Because I felt the way he was coming with it, I understood the way he was trying to approach it. Yeah, but yeah, it wasn't where I was at at the moment. Like, I didn't want to do something forced.

Got it, got it. Yeah, so. Be that way, B. All right. Be that way. Niggas made me do a song called You Need Dick in Your Life. Come on, man. Only reason I like the song.

Come on, man. Only reason. I'm going to edit that out myself. They made me do this song. They chased me down. They made me do this. And this was an OG call. I ain't got time to the train tracks.

But he definitely made me do it. The only reason I respected it and put it on the album is because we got Nate Dogg singing it. And it was like, okay. I feel like that was Biggs who called you. No, no, no, no. It wasn't Biggs. It was a Marcy plug. It was a Marcy plug?

Okay. Was Hov cousin there? Nah. B-Hot? B-Hot? Yeah, B-Hot. B-Hot was my manager. Right.

B-Hot, yo, that nigga the smoothest nigga, boy. That niggas don't know. B-Hot kept that. That nigga was strapped nigga, boy. That niggas don't know. B.I. kept that. That nigga was strapped up, shawty. Before strapped up, shawty ever came out. We was out there gooning. B.I. is another reason to save my life. I got to pay homage, give him his flowers.

Without him, nigga probably be dead somewhere. I remember the nights going on the tours and clubs, after parties. That nigga used to be like, listen, tonight we going to hit him and split after parties. I used to be like, listen, tonight we're going to hit them and split them. So I used to be like, what? We ain't hitting and splitting nothing. I'm chilling. We getting some bitches. Fuck you mean?

No. The van, last song, the van will be running. We hitting and splitting them. And you know, I used to be pissed because I was young. They used to grab me up and be like, we out. Couldn't get no joints. He was like, this nigga on some bullshit. So then when I clipped him, like not clipped him, but like, you know, got different management,

moved on, you know, you grow. And then I'm out in the after hours and we shoot shit up, getting shot. It's like, hold on, this the shit B.I. used to be like, yeah, hit him and split a bleak. We hitting him and split him. Right. Fact. Like, so, you know, shit like that, I always look back and be like, man, these niggas, they paved the way and raised your boy, man. Maybe y'all know Drink Chance wants to give flowers while people are here to receive them.

Giving flowers and celebrating our legends while they can still smell them. We have partnered with What The Flower to create this movement where everyone can give flowers to the legends in their lives. You can now order a custom flower box for the someone you want to show appreciation to by visiting www.wtflower.com and place your orders now. That's love and a baby right there, man. I appreciate it. You know, this means more than any award that you can get on some real shit because it means that you're appreciated by your peers, you're appreciated by the people that you do it for,

and I accept my flowers with love. God damn it. What's on Bleak's rider? I don't have a rider. My rider is have my fucking money on time, and I won't crack your fucking skull, and we going to do my thing. That's it, man. I don't have a rider. My rider has had my fucking money on time and I won't crack your fucking skull or we going to do my thing. That's it, man. I bring my own.

I book my own flights. I get my own rooms. You ain't sending no goons. So if a motor wants to book you, it's all in? All in. All in. I book my own flights. I book my own rooms and I fly with that strap. So if you think you're going to run down On Bleak

Run down on Blizzle Prepared I pray for both of us You know what I mean That's an honest prayer It's a balanced prayer That's just it man Like I'm outside man

I got to move around Nori I ain't in the watch club Like you I heard the Irv Gotti shit Niggas on the list Niggas ain't call me And put me on the list That's Illuminati Illuminati you see They ain't call me and put me on the list. That's Luminati.

Luminati, you see? They ain't call and put me on the watch list. Don't put that Luminati shit on me. It's coming. What you mean? You on the watch list? You talking about you eating with? Who was it?

AP or Paddock? You was eating with Paddock? With El Diablo. They got my creamer in there. Yeah, you bringing shit like that? Gotti buying AP's for everybody Cause You gotta start drinking

You know coffee with the You know what I'm saying Sangre You know what I'm saying Y'all have my man BJ In building too man Shout out my man BJ That's my dog

But me and you Let's be clear It was a very infamous Basketball game In New York City That was supposed to be Jay-Z, Fat Joe. It never happened. It never happened.

And then there was this whole turmoil, like Terror Squad against Rockefeller. And one day, Fat Joe calls me. It was because... What happened? I believe I did an interview, and you set me up And you gave Jay my number Without telling me

You set me up You set me up And by the way I'm sitting there And I get a call But then We set this up And then Joe calls me

And says Yo You know how do you get In touch with Jay And I was like You don't get in touch with Jay He gets in touch with you

And you got to just Accept it how that The way it comes That's a fact So he was like yo but I need a favor he's like I got the biggest record in America I want to put this shit behind this I want people to know and I called you yeah and your first thing that you said to me I remember this like it was yesterday he was like hold on Nora let me pull over I was on the turnpike yeah I didn't know if he was on the turnpike I pulled over when you said it He was like yo Bleak I gotta ask you something man

I don't know how you gonna take this He was like yo Fat Joe wanted to reach out to Hov And get Hov on the record I'm like what? Let me pull over Pulled over on the shoulder Repeat that?

And I remember this is what you said He's like I saw him two days ago And he had it on That was the exact word I saw him two days ago and he had it on. That was the exact word. You saw him two days ago and he was still trying to be tough. So I was like, trust me, that's my brother. And by the way, I had to fully ask Fat Joe before I made that call.

I said, listen, this ain't one of those, you know what I mean? And he was like, no, brother. Like, I really want to do this. And then all the way up, remix happened. We made that happen, baby. That's a fact, man. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's my number.

I remember the call to hove. I remember I texted him. But hold on. Before you go there, because we need your whole story. But how dare Fat Joe shout out Sean Pecos? Oh, man, right? Sean Pecos had nothing to do with this shit. Yeah, he had nothing to do with it.

Me and you. That's a fact. I'm sorry, Sean Pe it. Me and you. That's a fact. I'm sorry, Sean Pecos. I'm sorry. That's a fact. You came later. After me and Bleak made the call, then Pecos came and cleaned it up. He put it in some motion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we got all the men on bases. Yeah, I remember when I text Hov. I text him right after I got off the phone with you because I told you. Like I tell anybody, I know to answer the certain shit, but I don't like answering for no man. He got to tell me no. Like, you know what I'm saying?

It's like, I don't care if we're going to ask a hundred times. I want to hear no a hundred times. You know what I'm saying? I'm never going to assume it's no. I'm going to ask. So I told you that. I'm like, yo, I ain't going to answer for big homie. I'm going to hit him and let him know what it is.

So I remember saying, I text him, yo, Fat Joe reached out. I spoke to him. I was on the phone with him and Nori. He wanted to... Oh, so you, wait, hold on. You three got on the phone? Yes.

Of course. This is real shit. So you spoke to Joe. It wasn't just you and then you brought him on. Yes. And then I told him, I'm like, yo,

I just spoke to Joe and Nori and Joe wants you on the remix all the way up. And he was like, you spoke to Joe with all caps and then question marks. So I put back, yeah, just now on the phone. Then he called me. I was like, where?

He called you? I was like, yeah, I'm in Nori, man. I was like, man, I think you should do it. He was like, Bleak, you think? I'm like, yo, listen. For the city to show unity has always been fake bullshit in the air with us. There's never been no real drama. Like why not?

Like, you know, it ain't going to hurt. It's only going to help the situation. And then here they go. Now they in business doing all these shows. We don't get shit. We don't get shit.

I want my two percent. I want my two percent. I don't get shit. The thing is just like, yo, all you get is this. All you get is this. The thing is hit you with the daddy shot.

Daddy shot. That's a lot. Jeff hit me yesterday talking about what's my address for my sneakers. Nigga, I want one of those sneakers.

I ain't even get no sneakers. No, but I'm going to be honest. That's dope though. I felt like, I felt like, and I told this to Jay. I had met him

in LA one time and I was like, yo, you know Jay I had met him In LA one time And I was like Yo you know My one Jay favor That I kinda had I gave it away And I said

My life has been Great since then Because no one does that No one can even Get a Jay favor That's a fact You know what I'm saying That's a fact

I didn't even ask him For anything And then I ain't gonna lie to you He was right there He tapped me He was like It's not your one J favor. Like, I don't know

how to use another favor. I don't even know how to act. I'm just like, I might just, it might just go out because I might have never asked. I mean, I never, because I hate being told no.

But I love, I love the fact. Yeah, drink champs, we need the drink champs. Yeah, no, no, no. He tells me no about drink champs a lot. One thing about him,

he's up front. Until you learn no in another language you never heard, keep asking. He'll be like, I got you. No, it's not. Absolutely not. You feel me? But I absolutely love that connection. I absolutely love the fact that Terror Squad and Rockefeller has put that to the side.

Exactly. Yeah. Did you see that day happening? I never saw the day of we having beef. It was always fake bullshit. Like, I always fucked with joke music, pun music. I listened to everybody music.

I listened to everything, man. So I always felt like, where did it ever start? So there was never any physical altercations? No, yeah. We had drama in the club, bottle fights, niggas was throwing

major bottles. It was crazy. I was on that actual tour and it was really Tata and Flex. It was the two littlest people out of...

What happened is homie came through our VIP just stumbling through the VIP instead of saying excuse me, whatever,

bumping his way through and you know, it's like, why, who are you? So niggas flipped him upside down and sent him back to his section and then it was on from there. VIP instead of saying, excuse me, whatever, bumping his way through. And, you know, it's like, why? Who are you? So they just flipped him upside down and sent him back to his section. And then it was on from there. You know, it's regular hood shit, man.

You know, it was all over nothing, though, you know? Never been no real shit. But it's good now. That's right. And they're getting money, but they ain't giving us none. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to them. They getting money now. they ain't giving us none. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to them. They're getting money now.

You know what I mean? So let me ask you, because you got, not only that you had a luxurious career for yourself, but you got to see other people come through this machine. Yes. I got to recently deal with one of the brothers, Kanye. And it was a roller coaster from the moment I got in touch with him to the end. It was a rollercoaster from the moment like I got in touch with him to the end. Like it was a rollercoaster.

I knew Ye was going to be where he at though, man. I didn't know he was going to go where he at now, but the level of success where he was at, man, Ye was 10 years ahead of niggas, man. Like he was thinking the shit

nobody was thinking of, bro. Like, you know what I mean? It was just inevitable for his success, bro. You see him right now, he walking around with no shoes and socks. That's called too much money.

I want to feel that. I want that. I want to feel that. One time, right? One time, too much money, I walk around barefoot with my coon to shit. He's rounding.

He's rounding himself. Fuck it, yeah. He won with the earth. You know? I feel him. Fuck it. I ain't mad at him. He got a baddie with yeah. He won with the earth. Right. You know? I feel him. Fuck it. I ain't mad at him. He got a baddie with him.

He cool. He chilling. Yes. Bouncing around a little bit. Just in case Jewelz doesn't want to do versus, who else would you battle in versus? Anybody who wants smoke. There's no one person I would single out

or be like, yo, this one person. Battle Nori? Yeah, me and Nori, we want smoke, it's on. It's my brother, I love him. You know what I'm saying? I love him, but it's smoke, it's smoke.

I can't write a verse about Nori, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would just be songs. But how about you and Trick Daddy? I think that'll be something smoky.

That'll be good. But first, we got to convince Trick to fly somewhere. Trick don't fly. You coming to Miami. You coming to Club Lit. We got to do it in his turf.

Oh, yeah, you're right. Fucking kidding me? You trying to get me shy at the same time? We'll go to Orlando. Yeah, still, they bring guns there, too. I play Spades with Trick. He's a cheating motherfucker. Yo, chill.

I thought I was a cheating. Yo, chill. Yo, I thought, listen, he Yo chill Yo I thought He made up rules For spades As we were going For spades And you know New York niggas

We know every fucking Different way No diamonds Two diamonds high We know I feel all that Nobody is worse Than John Manelli

John Manelli Holds the crown That count Yeah John Manelli For the wackest Spades partner In the history

Of playing spades. We playing against Hove and Kaiser. I forgot. I think it was, yeah, Hove and Kaiser, somebody. Kaiser had the glasses on. Yeah, so we playing. He could see your hands from behind. Like, we grown, my G.

He over 30. You don't renege in spades. So I'm starting to say, he like, yo, Bleak It's the strategy It's a part of the game What the fuck is the strategy? Let them win? I'm telling him At the table

Yo, bro, you think Hov gonna fire you? Nigga, you playing with me? You my partner You protecting me Wait, wait, wait No, no, no, time out You telling me that

He reneged for the other team? Yeah, he was helping them win You think it's enough On mommy, bro He was letting them win So I had, bro. He was letting them win. So I had to get him out of here. Listen, I had to get him out of here. So then I had a girl play that was on my team.

Like one of my joints played. We start smoking them. Old Flew his mom's in. Moms came. This is when we was going to Africa. Moms came in. Now I going to Africa Moms came in Now I can't talk shit Now I gotta keep it all respectful

Smoke my boots I can't talk You know Miss Carter and Hov At the table It's respectful They won But before she got there

He know I was I was Before we were old One time playing around And I was, I was, B4O one time playing around. And I was like, yo, I drink more Ace than you.

He was like, yeah, probably in one sitting. He said, but through the months, I'll smoke you. But then he said, but B will smoke you.

And I was like, then this nigga brung his wife in it. Yo, they could drink. Texas, yeah, they could drink.

I heard Beyonce, I heard Beyonce, yo Yo, they could drink. I bow out. Texas, yeah, they could drink. We got some Texas to drink. I heard Beyonce. Yo, I can't drink. I'm a sucker. I'm petty. You heard? I got to mix it, take a couple shots.

I'm acting like I'm cool because we on camera. When I leave out of here, spaghetti legs. You feel me? Well, let's take another shot of that. Spaghetti legs, you heard?

Spaghetti legs And then just for the people That know I reached out to Bleak Because one thing That I feel is overrated In this day and time Is just friendship Just loyalty

No that's a fact And you know So many people So many friends Like sometimes Your friend level up And then you see people Like you know, so many people, so many friends, like, sometimes your friend level up, and then you see people, like, you know, disintegrate. Mm-hmm. You see people start hating on each other.

The beautiful thing about it is no matter how, you know, you boss up or Cove boss up, it's still like y'all got that same kind of chemistry that was. Man, first of all, Hove been Hove. Right. So when we came into the game, Hove probably was already five mil up already. You know what I'm saying? So being in, I'm telling you, the late 80s, a million dollars in the 80s

was like having $30 million today. And that's what I mean, that he been that guy. It's the same perspective for you. I remember going with Hv and Dane. We was on some tour and we went to the mall. These niggas just bought belt buckles. No belt. There's no belt.

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You got to go back to reality because this shit is like Aladdin's carpet, my nigga. Like, this shit ain't real. Nobody spends $25,000 on a belt buckle with no belt. Who does that? So it was like, yo, you got to go balance this shit out. So, you know, a lot of people be like, yo, Bleak, I don't see you with Hov. You know, Hov don't fuck with you.

Yeah, I don't fuck with me. I got to balance this shit out. I got to go home and realize, yo, you got a normal size pool. You don't have 16 pools. Hov House has 16 pools. Who the fuck want, I can't clean one. 16 of them? You need an army for that shit.

Yo, my, like, you got to go back, you know? Hov is like riding on Aladdin's carpet. And that shit just never stop. And it's been that way since about 86. Wow. Where that carpet just been, remember how happy Aladdin is? He got the daddy. He got everything he wants. That's Hov life, man.

Happy. Yo. Yo. That's the life, man. Your analogies are amazing No but That's what's dope about you Is

It doesn't matter Like It feels like Your relationship with him Is just the same Yeah it's just Yo you the big homie And I'ma always respect that

And stay like No matter how old I get To hove I'm a little bro Right No matter what No matter what I do No matter what I accomplish

Ah that shit ain't about nothing. That's bullshit. Do something else, man. Impress me, bro. I love it because he always, it's never the congratulatory thing. It's always push the envelope. Do more, man. Step up.

You heard? And I love that. You know what I'm saying? Nah, hell yeah. Damn, I'm taking another shot. I'm sorry. Chill, man. What you trying to do to me?

You know? He just came back I think that shit water in there, man They tricking me Nah, nah, nah Trust me But he gonna do it to his water Yeah

And I'm going to Lake How you call it? Lake Como Como Yeah, I've been there They race million dollar boats Around the mountain You know what I mean?

It's just some fly shit And you gotta order the lake from the sea I mean the fish from the sea That shit right there, really Fish from the sea sea I mean the fish from the sea That shit right there Really fish from the sea They like yo Fish from the sea Like we

He like yeah We caught it today Why Oh shit okay That's the shit I did On Mafi Coast Mafi Coast They go in the tank

And they pull out The lobster for you Oh yeah You send me to the spot You go blow it down in there You know what I'm saying Go blow it down in there You heard

I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry Like I'm sorry, y'all. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, y'all. I'm sorry. Word. Like, I ain't going to lie. You an international nigga, though, Bleak.

I remember my wife said to me, because she wanted to go to Dubai. Because, you know, I ain't really fond on going places you can't smoke. It's like, I'm spending my money to not enjoy myself. So she's like, oh, so we not going to see these places just because you can't smoke? So I'm looking at her like, damn, she said it like I'm a crackhead. Fuck it.

Let's go. Fuck it. Let's go. We go to Dubai. I died. Listen to me. Not smoking? I died.

Right. I was there for five days. I thought, yeah, I could survive. It's cool. I did survive. I smoked cigarettes when I went.

See, I don't smoke cigarettes. No, I'm done. I don't smoke cigarettes. And I went to, they know people like, yo, Blee, go to the hookah bars. It's cool. I did survive. I smoked cigarettes when I went. See, I don't smoke cigarettes. No, I'm done. I don't smoke cigarettes. And I went to, you know, people like, yo, Blee, go to the hookah bars. It's cool. It was so hot. The hookah bars was like, we can't light the stone. It's too hot. Like, what? Okay. So what I'm supposed to do now?

So I'm like, all right, cool. Wifey want to enjoy, enjoy. I'm dying. So we get back to the States. This is the worst thing ever. I land in Detroit. Flights is bad. Weather's bad. They cancel all the flights. We got to drive. So now we're in the car. Mind you, excuse me. I haven't drunk. I haven't smoked for five days. I go see my man in the D, pick up a pack, smoking on the way back. Like, yeah, I'm lit. Yo, bro, no lie. I probably thought I was Kunta Kinte behind the wheel and the KKK was on my ass.

That's how paranoid I was. Driving from Detroit to New Jersey. I will never do that drive again. You ride through the backwoods. Don't ever take that drive. Nah, this doesn't sound like a good drive. No, it's not. You ride through the backwoods of Ohio, it's bad. It's very this doesn't sound like a good drive. No, it's not. You ride through the backwoods of Ohio, it's bad. It's very bad. KKK-ish.

And you're smoking, so. Yeah, and I was paranoid. Yo, it was bad. I did Bali. I did Bali for my man Watton, but yo, it's so crazy. That's where Russell Simmons at? Yeah. He tucked away out there. My man got an Airbnb. Yo, one of my homies, yo, one of my homies

got an Airbnb out there, too, if you want to tuck yourself, too. Yo, I'll let me. We got Airbnbs worldwide. You're promoting Airbnbs in Bali right now? They want to get tucked away, baby. Niggas go over there to tuck they self. Not me. But listen, Bali, they say they'll kill you by firing squad.

If you bring that. No, they foul out there. And I felt the butt out there. I ain't going to blow the spot out because I don't want him to die. Yeah, no. We is serious out there. I got a plug in Bali. You know what I mean?

Thailand is off the, it's right there. You don't really need it. Just go to Thailand. Thailand is legal. It's everything. Y'all went to the pharmacy. My G, no bullshit. I've been Bangkok.

They had the boy girls, right? Yo, listen. The boy girls. The boy girls. Let me break down Bangkok to eat no bullshit. I've been in Bangkok. They had the boy girls, right? Yo, listen. The boy girls. About the boy girls. Let me break down Bangkok to you, yo. Bangkok is another fucking world. I go to the pharmacy because I got a headache. I need some regular Tylenol, aspirin, Motrin.

No, they give them cocaine. They offered everything. They had molly, coke, mushrooms, speed. Yeah, in the pharmacy. They like whatever you want. X, whatever you want. I'm like, coke, mushrooms, speed. Yeah, in the pharmacy. They like whatever you want. X, whatever you want. I'm like, lady, I just need. No, I just need.

He said, give me one of everything. I just need aspirin, lady. Cool. Give me that. Then they go to the. They got blocks out there, man, where it's crazy, man. It's different. Bang.

I went with wifey out there, so it's different. It's like going to Columbia with wifey. It's not the same. What you mean? Yeah, no, it's It's different. Bang, I went with wifey out there, so it's different. It's like going to Columbia with wifey. It's not the same. What you mean? Yeah, no, it's not the same, but I can't unmarry myself, so even if I go by myself, what's going to happen? Yeah, I don't go to Columbia.

I know. Certain places, you just can't go by yourself. You just got to bring wifey. You know, because animal instincts. I feel like everybody's looking at Haz and Diego. Animal instincts. Huh?

Animal instincts, B. Excuse me, guys. You need to use the bathroom? Nah, I'm cool. You definitely bit my picture, though. Check it out. Look at my picture this week. Look, this is the week before. You know what I'm saying?

I got inspired by my bro. Inspired by my bro. You know what I'm saying? Inspired by my bro. I see you doing that. That's a good fucking shot. I didn't even know that. You know what's the funniest shit?

I see Nas, and then me and Nas, and we talking, and I just, immediately, I couldn't hold it in. I was like, keep it real. You bit my picture, right? And he was like, he said, as soon as I took it, I knew he was going to say that. I did. I see you take that picture on the wall. I'm like, that's a dope-ass shot. I got to go out there and catch one of those.

Yo, but what's your favorite place to visit just to hang out overseas? Cyprus. Cyprus? Cyprus. Where the fuck is Cyprus at? Cyprus is an island. No, it's an island. It's an island off of Greece.

It's not part of the Greek islands, but, you know, it's an island off of Greece. I got a really close friend out there, my man Sniper. And, like, you know how people say, yo, they run they hood? Right. My man run his country, man. Country? Country. Wow. Pick you up as soon as you land? As soon as you land, everything, man. Like, they got a, like, that's like you land in L.A. and then you're like,

yo, I own Disney. Pull up. I'ma shut Disney down for you and your family. They own a major big water park. You say Disney? Yeah, they own a major big water park out there, like 20 clubs, all the, damn near every cabana at the beaches. So it's like, once I touch down, bro, we just going all night. Cypress. Not Santorini?

No. You go to Santorini, you could do Mykonos, you could do all that. But once you touch Cypress, if you don't know me, you ain't clubbed. Boy, Cyprus will turn that shit upside down. And don't get me wrong. Mykonos is beautiful. Party, Santorini, beautiful party. They ain't partying like Cyprus, bro.

Cyprus, for real? Trust me. My God, man. Tell you, my man Sniper, bro. These niggas is so lit, so up. He sound like he fucking everything. I mean, he's named Sniper. Yeah, no, he's Sniper.

He's either shooting or he fucking. Nah, he's Sniper. Or shooting and fucking. Or shooting and fucking. They blow shit up out there. They ain't shooting. They Sniper. He's sniping shit.

But listen, these niggas got day and nighttime cars, man. Like, these niggas drive white cars in the daytime. What are we talking about? What country? Cyprus. Oh, Cyprus. And then they buy... Greece, right? Yeah, then they drive black cars at night. These niggas drive white cars in the daytime. What are we talking about? What country? Cyprus. Oh, Cyprus. And then they buy- Greece, right?

Yeah, then they drive black cars at night. Same exact cars. If you got Lamborghinis, G5, G-Wagons, Ferraris, all that shit in white, then they bring the same exact car at night in black. It's a different kind of paper. Yeah, this is my daytime cars. This is my nighttime cars. What's Bleak's go-to weed right now? My own weed, man. My own weed.

Is that it right there? Your butt's in it. That's it in the bag, but I'm pissed I don't have my bags. I don't even know my shipment. Don't worry. We setting that up. I'm going to have y'all hold me down. I hold y'all down.

We got you. 100%. Who weed is better, your weed or Monogram? Me, man. You out your I hold y'all down. Yeah, we got you. A hundred percent. You know what I'm saying? Who weed is better, your weed or Monogram? Me, man. You out your mind. I mean, come on,

man. They need to holla at their boy. They know I got that stupid gas. So Monogram should holla at Blizz. They don't worry, I'm going to fix it. I'm going to fix everything, man.

Blizz will hear. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to let me take a piss. I'm fucking up my face. Hold on. Now, hold on. Now,

we're going to talk some hip-hop shit now. Please take yourself back 15, 14 years old. You can't say hove. Yeah, of course not. Who are you listening to? What's the hip-hop landscape for you at that point? KRS-One, Boogie Down Production at that time, Big Daddy Kane. NWA. I could definitely say EPMD.

MOP. Busta Rhymes. And this is all before you even meet. Yeah. Wu-Tang. No, I knew Ho for my whole life. From how old? There's no age. Remember, we grew up in the same building His mother

His sister and my mom Was like best friends So you knew him Before he was even rhyming? Yeah I got pictures Of Hov back when Shit

You know shit was good But it wasn't all good Yeah like Yeah It's no That's like asking Yo when you met your uncle Right

That close Yeah like You don't know you just know that's whole that's jay like and when did you first realize he's he's rhyming he's he's doing this besides when jazz like anything street i'm talking about the music part yeah when jazz was shooting videos in the hood and they were shooting videos jazz oh yeah jazz oh i remember they had the video premiere on video music Box for Hawaiian Sophie jazz video. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, hate that, but it is what it is. And you was there in the video shoot? No, hell no. No, no. I was too young. I was still in the projects, man. I was still in the hood. But you know, it was shit like that that niggas was into.

You know, back then, listening to them. Fuck, Tribe Called Quest, man. What was one of his favorite groups? Just, yeah, aside from Hov, like, what was he listening to as a kid? Of course, Mobb Geek. Big Daddy Kane? Big Daddy Kane, I said him. Okay.

I remember, what was the little homie from Illegal? Ooh, Malik? Remember the rap group? Yeah, I used to listen to him a lot, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Malik, yeah. Yeah, like, used to listen to him a lot, you know what I'm saying? Jamal Malik. Jamal, yeah. I used to listen to him a lot. You know what I mean?

Definitely. Illegal's dope. The Outlaws, Tupac and them. I'm diverse in music. I know I touched on it a little bit. Sorry. No, no, no. I know I touched on it a little bit, but I keep hearing you mention Mobb Deep, right? Now, we had Tony Yeo here, and Tony Yeo told us a funny story he's like man I like everybody

but my my man is beefing with everybody so I can't he's like he's like you don't think I've seen the Diddy parties you don't think I've seen the Jay-Z parties I wanted to attend too he said but my man is technically beefing with everybody yeah I feel him did you What did you feel when Prodigy took offense to Jay-Z I believe Jay-Z said It's like New York's been soft Ever since Snoop came through And crushed the buildings And you know

Prodigy's not here to defend himself So let's be very careful I want to be very careful Me personally But he said that he felt A certain way about that And then that's where Their little beef turner

started but you being a fan of Mobb Deep what did that put you at in that situation? You know it is what it is I'm with my man whether right or wrong you know we get home and we discuss the wrongs but while we outside we right baby even when we wrong so I was on the

front line whatever but for him to take offense to that line was, it didn't make no sense. It wasn't directed at you. You was talking about everybody. So if that's the case, everybody should have talked.

All of us, yeah. You feel me? Even me. I used to talk about nobody stepped up. Even if you listen to certain diss songs, like you listen to the

New York, New York, and the L.A. L.A. record, nobody dissed each other. Nobody. That's my idea. L.A. L.A. record. Nobody dissed each other. Nobody. That's my idea. L.A. L.A. is my idea. Those are the weirdest diss, not diss records. Yeah.

There was no shot. They were great records, but they were not diss records. You know, I'm going to be honest with you. When Stretch Armstrong came to tell us, it was a bad boy mixtape. And what it was is my friend Chaz um from left rack city oh he's from brooklyn but he lived in left rack city and he played me it was something called a dj list and it was like you know on dj list it'd be two months in advance so he played me he's like you think they dissing us and the only part i could kind of feel like they was dissing us to the slang part

when he was saying yo god yo b like in the beginning they're saying yo god maybe maybe it wasn't, I mean, you never spoke to them about it, asked them if it was a diss? Nah. I mean, we had Snoop.

We had Dazz and Karruef. We talked about these records. I never asked. But it was never, it never seemed like a diss record. You know why? The first one was never a diss. I'll be honest, Karruef is so far in

that he's like, yo, we never really, we did that. And I can't really, I can't really i can't really say that i believe that i mean i as a friend i believe him but like even when snoop says oh the east coast don't got love uh i love there was a little bit of malice in there

might have not been like you know like he's he's saying, yo, fuck New York. But he was just like, yo, y'all supposed to love me. You know what I'm saying? I'm the hottest thing moving. Yeah, I'm the hottest thing moving. Like, you know what I mean? Even to go back on the music. Like, this man, man, to give him his respect, man.

Like, that's the reason why he got the call to be on my first album. Because War Report album, man, I don't think you understand, my man. That's not my interview. Don't be on my interview. He doesn't understand. I don't think you understand, bro, how pivotal that album was. I hustled to that album. I woke up, went outside.

These was the radio days where you made sure you had batteries for the box or the block. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that album was a staple of hustling. These was the radio days where you made sure you had batteries for the box or the block. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that album. Panasonic. That album was a staple of hustling. You know what I'm saying?

Take another shot right there. Like, hell yeah, man. You broke it here, Blee. That one, man. I got to say something real quick that goes to the War Report thing that you're saying. Oh, fuck. And I told him this. I told you that I saw something with Souls of Mischief Talking about it I think that you don't understand Because you equate

Maybe record sales With the level A record may have gone But War Report Was renowned in the streets It was dubbed People were recording that People were

I'm going to blame you for something And you ain't going to like me What? You brought Bloods to New York Coño You was the first person To ever mention it Lo jodiste todo, bro.

On that album. I'm a dead logo. On that album. You know what? On that album. That was the first time I ever heard about it being on the island

or anything. I'm not sure if I should say this, but I'll say it. OG Mac told me that. One of the first people that he showed me the War Report cover

where it wasn't even the vocals. You know what it was? It was the dog chains. On the dog chains, we said dog blood. And they ran with that. On the dog tags?

The dog tags. I said dog chains. It was dog tags. If you look at, go look at the War Report. Yeah. It was the first time I ever even heard about it.

It says Capone, 41st, 12th Street. And it says Norrie, 97-30. And then it says Stug Blood. But we was like, it was like 031 and all of that. It was like, we ain't never hear none of those terms. And if you think about it, if you think about it, if you go really to depth, people started using that.

And then I started using slime. And then the Bloods adapted that as well. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. It's something. You know, we here. Yeah.

Yeah. I would have never thought East Coast would be banging anything. Like, this shit is... I know West Coast people that come to New York right now. I'd be like, this is... New York? Yeah. Unbelievable.

Yeah. You would have thought that? I'd have never thought it. You know what I'm saying? Brooklyn. Brooklyn got crips. You kidding me? Brooklyn is... never thought it. You know what I'm saying? Brooklyn. Brooklyn got grips. You kidding me?

Brooklyn is... Nah, it's bigger than that. They got all type of gangs now. Flat Boys is all type of shit. Really? They got niggas is everything now, nigga. You kidding me? If you three deep now, you better not call yourself a gang. Rico coming.

You better chill. Niggas better calm down. All that gang gang. We ain't no gang. We friends. We ain't even a crew no more Yeah crew's a problem Crew's Rico worthy

Yeah We just friends They police That my friend dog That my friend We individuals that know each other That my friend Holy shit.

Damn, bro. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me get into some music. All right, hold on. I got bad notes. Ooh, okay. Damn, we asked about coming of age. Ooh.

Oh, shit. What happened now? What happened now? I'm moving with this, I swear to God, this is the first thing, one of the first things people told me. By the way, I hate this rumor, I just want you to dead it real fast. What happened? Soon as I said, got questions from Ms. Bleak, one person said, why did they let young Chris, they didn't they let jay-z still young chris style yo why does this rumor even exist i don't know man it's just like the rumor gilly wrote for

wayne right i always want to know this right if a person is the originator of something and someone comes to you and take your recipe for something, why didn't that recipe work for you then? Right? Right. Like, why did it work for you? Like, if my grandmama got the sauce,

I don't care you come take the recipe. We going to just be cooking the same shit. You're not going to cook better sauce than me off my recipe if it's my recipe, right? Right. It just makes no sense. So, yeah.

So, if somebody could take something from you that you consider yours and become more successful than you off yours, then you just, we should package you up. And you know what

we should call you? Jerk sauce. He's got a serious ass face. You feel me? Did he look in the camera? Yo. I feel like he's running the camera. Just real shit.

Package it up, baby. Jerksauce. But, you know, I attribute that rumor to people who are not really, really fans. People who didn't listen to Reasonable Doubt. Chris is super nice, right? But come on, man. Hov put up five million before we even knew who these kids were.

So he never even sold five million records again. So he stole something from you and never became more successful than he ever was. When he didn't need you to steal something from you. It doesn't make sense. Make it math. Make it add up to me. Chris is major nice.

What? But come on. Hov stealing your style? There's a lot of other styles he could have stole. Because if you think about it, you want to think about it, Sauce Money was super nice. The Rangers, Wise and Dog Half, mega nice. You fucking kidding me?

If any style, I I just stole half style. Give me that. Cool style? Half. Dog half. From the Rangers. Like, the niggas were super nice. Like, you know,

we had a lot of people that came around and you just steal, sharp and steal. I feel like Chris has gotten better from being around the dogs and everybody has gotten better

from being around each other. Baseline was a melting pot of competition. It was only two rooms and it was about 10 different artists. So it was like you couldn't get a room if you wasn't spitting that shit. For you to get one of them rooms, you had to be on that shit. Simple. I would have had a room. Said that hella confident.

No jerk sauce for you. I'm into jerk sauce too, I can't lie. What? But let's talk about Murder, Murder, that record. Mm-hmm. Where you and Jay. It's two different Murder Murder That record When you and You and Jay

There's two different versions Of that record Murder Murder Out? Yeah There's two different versions There's one on the album And there's one on YouTube

The original First version of that We was getting That jail felony Cause he was talking He had made a diss song About us or something And that's

Oh he was on Depth Jam too Yeah And that's when Hope said J.O. you're not a felon You're a misdemeanor And then they had Leaked that record He was talking, he had made a diss song about us or something. Oh, he was on Def Jam too? Yeah, that's what Hov said. J.O., you're not a felon, you're a misdemeanor. And then they had leaked that record. And then, you know, we went and did it over. So that's why if you hear the one on my album, that's why Hov say,

niggas go leak the record, man. We got to switch the lyrics on these niggas. Niggas went at J.O. felony. Y'all some petty niggas. Yeah, we was on some bullshit. I told you. J.O. was South Central Cartel, right? Anybody was getting it, man. We'all some petty niggas. Yeah, we was on some bullshit. I told you. Jail was South Central Cartel, right? Anybody was getting it, man.

We was on some shit. If you threw a shot at us, we threw a truck at you. It was all that. Yeah, because I remember y'all went at Mino. He went at Mino. I don't even know

who the fuck Mino is. No, he was like, he's from Harlem World. Yeah, I know. All I knew was Blinky Blink because I remember when I got hit by the car and broke my foot,

Blinky Blink was the first nigga. Like, yo, you all right? It's like, yeah, I'm good, I knew was Blinky Blink. Because I remember when I got hit by the car and broke my foot, Blinky Blink was the first nigga. Like, yo, you all right? It's like, yeah, I'm good, dog. Where were you at? In Miami. On Collins. Not on MySpace or nothing? No, no, no.

He was right there on the street. Yeah? You got hit by a car, broke your foot. I'm on the school of life. And Blinky Blink was the first nigga. The first nigga next to me. Like, yo, Blink, you all right? And all I remember is John in my head talking about, nigga, you ain't one to battle

Bleekey Bleak. So I'm looking at this nigga like, get the fuck away from me, nigga. I'm good. Different times. So, but Jay, he went at, he said, didn't they shoot your ass out of a

cannonball? Oh, yeah, in the video. Yeah, that was disrespectful. Very disrespectful. About who? About who? About me, no. He said, niggas turning over rovers like they wanted it over. This the illest line.

It ain't about Rich and Poe. It's about Rich and Poe. Chill. That's it. Chill. And then he killed Mace with the, those ain't Rolex diamonds. What the fuck you done of that? Yeah that's bad

It's bad niggas still do that Yeah niggas still doing that Yeah it's bad It's disgusting I see certain people I be like Ew Can't even go in the Rolex store

With that They won't even clean that Yeah they won't clean it No they won't even touch it You should be embarrassed Yo for real You should be embarrassed To have a watch

That the maker won't even touch it That's disgusting When I was young I was on that shit The young boys listen Let me be clear If you 30 and under 35 and under You get a pass

35 and under You get a pass How you put 5 more years on that If you older than 35 And you wearing a bus belt That's not officially from the maker? Yeah. Chop your wrist

off. Throw it away. Who you impressing? Because real women out here, they know. That shit not it, Captain. That's Captain Crunch. That's not Captain. They did a

A shit On women and Mekinos And that's all They do is They'll talk to a man With a good wife Yeah

That shit They be on that They ain't on that That bust down That shit impress Yeah Shit impress Keisha

That shit That shit Shit do not impress Myesha And them Shit, shit do not press Myesha and them. I'm thinking of Chocolat. You feel me? So, Sakeesha and Myesha and Mykenos.

A lot of things that people don't understand is, man, I've been in the club and I seen this record come on, That's Yo' Chick. Man. Oh my God. That was a layup. And that, I feel, I feel like

I was gifted that record. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember getting a call cause Jay, I think he released that record on volume, in my lifetime,

volume two, but only for the UK. And the song did so well that he was mad he never put it out US. That he called me, yo, Bleak, write two verses to this shit and we're going to shoot a video to it. And I'm like, it had the hook. So the original, you weren't on the original then? No. Like, that's the, I'm going to tell you a nigga's an ill story.

So I shoot, I do a song with Missy, shoot a song, video with Missy and I never met Missy a day in my life. Still? Yeah, still to this day. I never met Missy. Ever. You're not in the video together?

No, no scene in the video are we together. I was 28 years old. Word, I never met her. I swore y'all was in the video together. Nope, not one scene. I would have bet. Fuck.

Nope, never met her. Yep, she came to the video so late that I had left already. And then, you know, I never got a chance to meet her, bro. Word. Wow. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.

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Switch it up. Do my ladies run this month. Oh, like y'all was cheating. I hated that. You know, you know, the crowd's going to go crazy when you hated that beat.

You hated the beat. I hate it. That's Timbaland too, right? No, no, that's, um,

this kid that we ain't going to say his name cause he tried to sue niggas. But yeah, I hated that beat. I ain't even want to do the beat. Nah, that record was dope and Hov was Hov the one

who said it to me like yo boy you bugging you don't hear that and I'm like hear what he like do my and once he said

that I was like okay I fucking hear it that chant works everywhere that chant works everywhere it was like

you gonna say that part too right let's go shoot that we got it I hear exactly what you hear my nigga

I feel you go with it go with it yeah you fucking Shoot that. We got it. I hear exactly what you hear, my nigga. I feel you. Yeah, you fucking kidding me? Holy shit. We don't want to hear the God damn. I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't like that beat. No, I didn't want Mimph Bleak is either to come out first. Oh, that's my next question.

Mimph Bleak is. But you didn't want it to come out first, you're saying? We didn't even have the record. It didn't want Mimph Bleak is either To come out first Oh, that's my next question Mimph Bleak is But you didn't want it To come out first, you're saying We didn't even have the record It didn't even exist Because what was the single Off that album? What you think of that

Was supposed to be The first single But this is the politics Of the industry The people who we had To clear the sample through Didn't clear the sample Until Hov put his verse on it

Oh my God So we couldn't shoot the video. So then that's why you see me on the plane on Hard Knock Life with Lenny S. Like, this is what you got to go through. Niggas trying to kill me on that propeller plane leaving Buffalo, almost dying, to fly home to do the record with Swiss.

And we did Mimph Bleak is. And I remember we went to Summer Jam, and Hov was like, yo, this is going to be the first thing you got to perform it. And I'm like, ain't nobody going to fucking say my name. They don't even know who Hov was like, yo, this is going to be the first thing you got to perform it. And I'm like, ain't nobody going to fucking say my name. They don't even know who the fuck I am, yo.

I was so nervous. Like, hey, no hell no we can't put this out first. They don't even know me. They going to say my name? And then it worked. They used to have me

in the skate key in the Bronx every weekend. I was like, oh, we lit. The bleakest bitch, we lit. All right, sorry to bounce around, but this is famous footage. Rockefeller,

backstage, and you got on a Def Jam jacket. Oh, that jacket started some drama. Was that the shoot with Kevin Lowell? Yeah.

That jacket started drama. You got on a Def, and you actually, you actually being a good person. Yeah. You actually being, I didn't mean no harm.

You didn't mean no harm. You didn't mean no harm. You were just young and really didn't know. Remember, Def Jam is iconic. Everybody had those records in their house with that Def Jam. Yeah, yeah. That's an iconic thing. I remember your Pacific line that you said. You said, well, Rock and Roll ain't giving me a jacket.

Dave is standing next to you. He's as red as that shirt because he doesn't want to stop you when he's sitting back like, bro, Def Jam ain't for none of this, but that jacket. I think a day with the cabinet

of every next scene, boy, I started... That shit was wild. You started some shit. I was on some bullshit Back then Yo damn man I ain't know the Ravifications

Of all that shit Back then man I apologize Kev Anybody If I ever got you In some smoke I did not mean to

I was just happy To be there man You know what I'm saying Niggas gave me a jack I thought he was Being a team player Def Jam, Memphis, Bleak on it was like,

I'm in it, bitch. He was like, Rockefeller ain't in it. They was like, yeah, nigga, off with their ass. You bought these motherfucking jackets

on this tour. This is a Rockefeller tour. You got anybody thinking it's Def Jam? Yo, he went hard. It was real because a lot of people You can't be mad at's Def Jam? Yo, he went hard. It was real. You can't be mad at Dane for that either, though. He wasn't wrong.

It was his expression. He was fighting for the brand. He was looking at me like, little motherfucker. No, of course. His delivery seemed to be. He was looking at me like, you little motherfucker. No, but listen. And in retrospect now, looking at it, you're like, damn, Bleak was too young to actually understand it.

I was just happy to be there man we were so hurting back then like fucked up i remember the day hove told me yo you want to go on tour and i'm like yeah who can i bring with me and that nigga said yo you can only bring one person i I think I got beef with a hundred people because of that decision. I sat on the bench in my projects for probably like three days just looking at everybody. Who could come with me?

Out of all these niggas that I call my friends, who I'm going to take with me on tour was one of the hardest decisions in life. And I swear, I feel like a hundred people was like, fuck it,

you could've asked me too. Who did you wind up bringing? My bro, B.I., man. Uncle B.I., that's my bro, man. Who wound up being Hoves? No, no, no, no. That's B.I. Oh, B.I., I'm sorry.

Yeah, B.I. is my guy. You know what I'm saying? But they from the same area, so it's almost the same. How many relationships have got ruined because people wanted to get at your homies? I think every one of them. Because people meet me with the expectations because they think me and Hov grew up with the relationship like, yo, we hung together. But they don't understand me and Hov have the relationship you have with your uncle. Right.

Don't fucking hang with your uncle. Right. You don't call that nigga. You see that nigga on Thanksgiving. Oh, what up? Right. Oh, you good? You know what I'm saying?

You check in with Uncle Tom and Tom. Right, right. That's what it is. You know I check in with the big homie But he ain't checking For my young bullshit Them niggas out there Eating flowers and all dirt You know what I'm saying

I'm still an in and out shit Them niggas like He's eating animals No they probably Don't want that shit around Like I'm on that Young hood shit still I'm clean a little bit

But don't get fooled Cause Yayo We had Yayo here Yayo was like Dibby Tom's He invite his friends shit still. I'm clean a little bit. But don't get fooled. Because Yeo, we had Yeo here. Yeo was like, there'll be times he invite his friends to come see him and his friends will move him out the way to go get a picture with 50 Cent. Oh, that'll never happen. That'll never happen.

It'll be a head on the floor. I'll rub your head on the fucking rug real quick. You'll get carpet burn instantly. Because the one thing about you I can see every year is you in the Roc Nation brunch with your crew. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I make sure we got our passes. We good. I tell niggas, you know, got to be with the house, baby, or, you know. I be seeing niggas... Yo, that's the foulest part of the shit. When you see niggas at that brunch

to pick up their tickets. No, not outside. Yeah, this is at the, when they gather to get their envelope. And niggas envelope be like. And everybody envelope

be like. Yo, Bleak, like, I don't know nobody, blood. Ain't got mines. You ain't got yours? Damn, man.

Oh, so you saying people be out there trying to get you to sleep them in the heavens, though. Trying to get their envelope loaded up a little bit Damn, man. Oh, so you saying people be out there trying to get you to sleep them in the heavens, though? Yeah, trying to get their envelope loaded up a little bit more, but their envelope don't be right. A lot of niggas be leaving their wives in the room, and

I always say, I ain't gonna lie, that's some major sucker shit to me. If you fly somewhere, right, and my wife can't get in, I'm not going, bro. 100,000%. Man, me and wifey, it's over. If you leave your wife in the room to go be around some user,

like I said, package you up, jerk sauce. Package it up. I'm about to put a couple niggas' faces on these packages. We're going to start selling bleep jerk sauce. Jerk sauce.

I love it. Word. Package these niggas up. Because niggas be leaving wifey at the real baby. You got to stay in the room. Like what? Do it for the culture. That ain't the culture.

That's doing it for them. I don't know. So there's a wifey room at the Rock Nation one? No, ain't no wifey room. It ain't even at the hotel. Oh, at the hotel. Yeah. Nasty.

Oh, that's nasty. Nasty with it, you know. To get a flick with Hov. Some of them don't even get flicks with Hov. They don't get no flick with Hov. I be seeing him like this

walking in like this. Yo, listen. Yo, I ain't gonna lie. That, that, that,

yo, Hov, man, damn, that nigga Hov is just, he's the greatest, man. Like,

he's just the GOAT, man. Like, it's one party where everybody is chilling. Everybody mingling Yeah you mingling You doing your thing

Yeah hundred million dollar deal Last week Word Bleak yo you made Yeah twenty million last week Yeah I'm shooting a movie Hov walked through He's like Bleak I'll be back Like damn my nigga

We like what happened Finish the convo baby Like I'm sorry I got to get shot for that I'm sorry Niggas be over there man That Hov shit I'm sorry I'm sorry. I got to take a shot for that. I'm sorry. Just be over there, man. That whole shit. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That whole train. How about Michael Rubin? You been to Michael Rubin shit? Mm-mm. You ain't get invited? I ain't get invited neither.

I ain't got enough money. I don't want to go. I don't want to go. What is that? What is that? I don't know what that is. For the layman. Michael Rubin?

I'm a competitive. It's the white party that. I'm going to tell y'all. For the public. We're Carlos. I've seen Carlos what that is. For the layman. I'm a competitive. It's the white party that. I'm going to tell y'all. For the public. We're Carlos. I've seen Carlos out here. We're voting the building. We're voting the building.

I'm a competitive hater. All right. Oh, yeah. He got a job. I'm a competitive hater. I don't want to be at no fucking party. Everybody, honey, million. No, I got to get.

Let me get in the 10 million bracket first. Then I can. Right now, my hugs are going to be serious. in there. I love everybody in there, but you just got to know that ain't for me. Let me go shut down my section. But the brunch is like that though, too. The brunch is cool. It's Rollies in there. And it's with the big

bottles of Ace. It's Rollies in the brunch, though. It's Rollies. Yeah, it ain't just Richard Milley's and shit. Yeah, Paddocks and AP's like you.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know? They going to throw me out. You know what I'm saying? Niggas in Carbone and shit. You heard what Drake said. You got to tell Shorty

it's a chill night. Stay at home. Yeah, exactly. Shit foul. Exactly. It's out to two of them niggas that can't get reservations in Carbone. All you niggas.

You know what I'm saying? It's only elite few. You know what I'm saying? I'm glad I got good elite friends. Yeah, yeah. So what's your favorite part of the game? Is it making a record or performing a record? Equal.

Equal. I never had this answer. I don't think we had this. No. I think equal. He said both. We got to drink. Because creators.

We got to drink. We got to take a shot. I'm not taking another shot. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. Just pour your drink in there. You forced us.

You forced us. You forced us. Yeah, you said both. This is my last one, by the way. This is my second to last one, by the way. No, because I've never, we've been asking people this question for this whole time.

I've never had somebody say both. Can you explain that? Creating something from scratch is a beautiful thing to me. Hell yeah. You know, to create something, your thoughts, with another, the producer, Creating something from scratch is a beautiful thing to me. Hell yeah. You know, to create something, your thoughts, with another, the producer, he creates something from scratch from thin air, a beat. You create a rhythm, sound to that beat, and then to make people relate and sing that tune back to you.

That's magical shit. It's magic. You know, that's like one of the hardest things to do. Like, you could cook food. People would say, hey, that food is nasty. That food is good. Music is like, you got to convince people twice. A person have to like it and then like it well enough to buy it. Right.

You can like a song, but you don't want to buy it. You know, so a lot of songs you hear, you're like, oh, that shit cool. But then the songs you hear, like, nigga, I need to hear that when I need to hear it. So that's what I feel is the creative process that I love about it. And then when you get to the show to see the response to that creativity, it's a beautiful thing, bro. It's nothing

like it. Well, the buy-in now is the show because they're not buying records anymore. People buying it. If you listen, I just was in the studio just now, I hear writing this kid. I see why NBA Youngboy is the king of YouTube. This kid fell asleep with NBA Youngboy constantly playing. Like, it was literally dead edge just now. The way I'm taking video of him and everything.

Like, yo, my man, he dead edge, but NBA Youngboy banging. So you know what he going to wake up and do? Clip, son. Yo, nah, I'm laughing. But that ass, man. The streams add up. We live in a world like, I said this the other day, man. Shout out to Tag Stone, you know.

He said something to me the other day that's real. Hate make people successful. We live in a world where hate can get you a check. People can literally not like something. Laugh at it and get you a check. Like you watch a YouTube video like the Island Boys. People laughed at that. But you stream in and you send it out to your man. Look at this. Look at this. Ha ha. He ha he he he you laugh them boys into a check because them streams add up you feel me so they kiss each other yeah i don't i don't know about motherfuckers are still laughing them into a check this is what i'm saying even if you don't like something the more you watch it you're just giving them boys a check

so if you really don't like something you have to turn it off right right you know what i'm saying if you really don't like it right because if to turn it off. Right. You know what I'm saying? If you really don't like it, because you can hate a nigga into a check. Yeah. Straight up. Motherfuckers are too addicted to social media and all the algorithms. They'll like the motherfuckers they don't like into a check. But let's talk about your new artist. Huey V?

Yeah. Yeah, man. My man Huey V. Shout out to Young Goat. They on the Puma tape right now. Just released Humble Souls. Shout out to the OG Emery. man my man Huey V shout out the young goat you know they on the puma tape right now just released humble souls shout out to the OG Emery he had him in um New York and LA uh performing at the rock nation events getting everybody together you know we got a lot of new artists you know you know

I just uh I had a conversation with you know Omar Grant president of rock nation and I told him you know I wanted to come on and be like sort of like an A&R for Roc Nation just to help. Why wouldn't you? The talent. You know, I wanted to be like the Eliza O'Morn into the heat. You know, Udonis Haslam, you know, that OG. You need that on that team. I feel like a lot of these young boys, if they had that on their team, they wouldn't be doing all this nonsense they do.

You know, you need an OG. A lot of people try to take you to the top of the mountain, and they never been they self. So it's like, how can you give me directions to a place you never been? A lot of people give you directions on a marriage that never been married. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I want to come on that.

And I feel like we got a lot of talent. We got Huey V, RJ, Tyreek. We got a real talented kid, Ruben Vincent from NC. Shout out, Goobroo, 9th Wonder. That's their artist. We got Johnny Coco from Texas. No, it's unlimited talent on Roc Nation, and I feel like I want to bring that talent to what it needs to be.

You know what I'm saying? Emma Reid, I set it off with the Puma tape, Humble Souls, that's out right now. Check them young boys out, boy. I'm telling you, that's the future. I'm sorry because I brought this up earlier, but I got off the subject. You did a record with Rihanna early. Did you

know that Rihanna was going to be the next billionaire? Are you fucking kidding me? Fuck a billionaire. I knew she was the baddest I ever saw in my life. I remember when Rihanna was in the office and they're like, yeah, Bleak We Just Signed. I look, who? Huh? Barbados. I fucking love her. Alright. Like, word we just signed to her. Look, who? Huh? Barbados. I fucking love her.

All right. Like, word. I remember saying it. Hey, Mr. DJ, song upon the DJ. Hold on, hold on. You remember seeing her that first time?

That first time, it was like, she's the baddest thing I ever saw in my life. Oh my God, where y'all find her at? Yo, nice to meet you, shorty.

Have a good day. Word. And it was over from there. But who was the other girl that was also signed to rock? Oh, Tiara Marie. Tiara Marie. She had to give 50 that check.

Take a 50 on that break. On you. 50 on that check. 50 worse than the IRS, man. He the worst thinker to owe some money, man. He chasing you down. That nigga got on his A6 tied tight like a Central Park jogger. And he chasing you down for that bag.

So let me ask you. Aliens come down right now. They here. Let's holler, baby. They here. They out here finger popping shit and everything. But they only come to New York. Yo, they only come to America.

Let's talk about that. They don't go to Spain? They don't go nowhere else. They only come to America. Why they only see them over America?? They don't go nowhere else. They only come to America. Why they only see them over America? They ain't never spotted nowhere else. I seen them in San Francisco.

I never been there. I seen them in New York. You ain't never heard of them. You know why I'm comparing to Chupacabra? Because Chupacabra is in South America. Yeah, Chupacabra is in South America. Them niggas out there, they on that yoink yoink. They on that yoink yoink. Chupacabra started in South America. The niggas out there, they on that yoink yoink. They on that yoink yoink. Yeah, Chupacabra started in Puerto Rico, and then it went to South America, and it went to...

But the aliens is here, right? The aliens is here. Holla at me. They come down, they're like, yo, Bleak, what's going on? You're like, what's up, nigga? Holla at me, my G. And the aliens say, I want one rap album to describe humanity to me, so I can understand what's going on. Can I be biased or outside of my crew?

I want both. I want biased and outside. So you want two answers? Yes. All right. You a special nigga? My first answer I would give them is a double CD. They got to have two CDs.

They got to play it like a double. I mean, the aliens don't know. Remember? Yeah. They don't know. They got to play to CDs. They got to play it like a double. I mean, the aliens don't know. Remember? They got to play to the death because they got to know. Shit real. Get your guns, nigga. Shit real. All that. It's the album. Yeah, M.O.P. Then they got to play Don Cartagena, Fat Joe.

You know what I'm saying? They got to play Don Cartagena. And Don Cartagena. You know what I'm saying They gotta play Dog Carter M.O.P And Dog Carter Jean Dog Carter Jean And then they locked in They ready Okay

They can mingle with Earthlings Okay Okay They can mingle with Earthlings I feel me That's a great fucking answer You know what I mean Dog Carter Jean

And they done know Like Mafioso shit Let's get this money We know how to shoot. Now it's time to get money. Let's go mingle. Now I want to be biased. They got to listen to Reasonable Doubt, man.

You know what I'm saying? Reasonable Doubt tell you, listen, we get fucking money, nigga. Big money. We selling bricks. We got yams. That's it? You don't got two? Because you had two the last time

Yeah I had Reasonable Doubt And then I would give them Philadelphia Freeway The first one Yeah the Philadelphia Freeway album First one Heaven I like that

You know what I'm saying? Reasonable Doubt Philadelphia Freeway I'll give them Illmatic I heard that answer I what I'm saying Reasonable doubt In Philadelphia freeway I'll give him Illmatic I heard that answer I didn't want to give it twice I heard that I watched that episode

You right You right You right Yo I tuned in baby You know what's crazy I always say this I don't know if you caught this

But I'm going to say I'll say it again Reasonable doubt Went over my head Because I had no bread Reasonable doubt He always says this I can't relate to

Like the money talk That's not true No This nigga don't know I hated him for a minute Oh yeah Listen We was in front of

This is when we had 17 Varick Street Okay Chilling We had the buggy eye bins I remember they let me drive it Yes They let me drive it I'm like yeah I'm. I remember they let me drive it. Yes.

They let me drive it. I'm like, yeah, I'm lit. Every time they let me drive it, mysteriously, it was raining. They never let me drive it on a sunny day. It's always raining when I get the keys to the car. It's your luck. It's all good. He got a crazy car.

So one day, we outside in front of the hotel. I'm in front of the office. And they like, yeah, Nori pulling up. I'm like, all right, cool. And no pulling up. This nigga pulled up in two new GS silver joint Just know that I went out there said what's up to it and all that know what I'm up, my nigga? You good? But in the back of my mind, fuck this nigga. But, word. I was hating. It was friendly hate. I was just like, I gotta

do this too. I gotta do this too. And he can't be the only one. Yeah, but just think about what he's saying. That's still 1998. Reasonable Doubt came out in 96. So, in 96, I couldn't, like, I give this to Traz, and I always want Traz to know this. Traz asked me in 96, I couldn't like, all right, I'll give this to Traz, and I always want Traz to know this. Traz actually, in 96, 1996, he asked me to stop selling drugs.

He told me to stop completely everything. He said, give him a year. So I stopped from the end of 1996 to the beginning of 1997 to up to there. So I actually didn't have nothing. So when Reasonable Doubt came out, I would listen to that like, damn. And he would be talking about shit that I was just like, holy shit.

So then when I started getting legal money, I came back and I went, I was like, this is just over my head. Yeah, he was way over everybody's head. I told you the story about traj in them, though, in Miami when I seen you, right? Yes, you did. You could tell it again.

Traj is going to have to be mad, but forget it He's my brother I love him I was looking for Trav With your 80 niggas out here He was looking through everybody I didn't even know

I didn't even know this nigga And that was the illest shit I only knew him Because he did a record with me We never hung together I didn't know Trav But you know who I knew Supreme

Mike Geronimo Oh and he had Supreme Because that's who he was with No he didn't I knew? Supreme. Mike Geronimo. Oh, and he had Supreme with him. Because that's who he was with. No, he didn't have Supreme. It was just Mike Geronimo and fucking tragedy. Okay. So I'm standing in front of Lowe's. First time in Miami.

I have no clue what the fuck is going on. I see Mike Geronimo run up on me because, mind you, we was, we don't know. What year is this? Like 98, 99? 95. Oh, it's like 95, 96. No, no, no, it's 97. It's 97. Yeah, like it's early years, bro. No, 99? 95 It's like 95, 96 No, no, no It's 97 Yeah, like

It's early years, bro No, you with me, motherfucker No, I know So listen You had me do some crazy shit too So Mike Geronimo run up on me Yo, bleep, yo, bleep

Yo, we need to hide this nigga So I'm like Hide who? He like Tragedy Nori and them looking for So I'm like Tragedy the God? I thought they was down How they got beef? he like tragedy Nori and them looking for so I'm like tragedy to God

I thought they was down how they got beef he like I don't know it's some long story so I'm like it's a long story I'm like alright take my rule key

go upstairs and roll I'm standing there I'm standing at the Lowe's I'm standing right in front now in my mind I haven't seen Nori this whole fucking weekend oh we didn't put the Lowe's

no you wasn't there yet okay alright I'm like why you come to me I haven't seen Nori this whole fucking weekend. Oh, we didn't put the lows. No, you wasn't there yet. Okay, all right. I'm like, why you come to me? I haven't seen Nori this whole weekend. So we stand out there chilling. Not even 10 minutes go by. What pull up? A military tour bus.

Oh, that was the show. So I'm like, yo, did God send me? Is God sending me a message? So, no bullshit. This nigga walk off the bus with about 60 niggas. No, you know what's funny? I'm there, too.

I'm there. And the first thing he say to me, yo, you seen Tragedy? And I said, nah. Your word. Thank God that all that shit is squat The first thing he said to me What's your word You seen tragedy in them niggas

I'm looking for them niggas bleep I'm like Nah I ain't seen them niggas And no I've been here all day Them niggas they come by here Them niggas was in my room You know what's fucked up about that

You're a good guy man You're a good guy You know what's fucked up about that After You're a good guy, man. You're a good guy. No, this is great. But you know what's fucked up about that? Because that was in front of the Lowe's. I walked through the Lowe's. Someone gave me a bullhorn. And I grabbed the bullhorn. I was like, yo, where is tragedy?

That was your bullhorn? Yeah. I was like, where is intelligent hoodlum at? I was in terrible times. And that's what threw me off when Mike Geronimo came up to me. Yo, tragedy need to hide

in your room. So I'm like, not the nigga who made Arrest the President. That's my friend. That's my friend. I was hot in my room.

This nigga got the Ice Cube, he the Ice Cube, Ice Griller, East Coast. How the fuck he want to tuck away? The rap game was different. Yeah,

the rap game was different. different Yeah the rap game was different Yeah the rap game was different Big up to those times Big up to those times And big up to Traz For me and Traz Tragedy Tragedy was the

And I invited him For the Big Daddy Kane episode Something happened Because No no no Yes Yes he is

But what happened was, the day they came and performed at Queensbridge, he called Traj. And Traj did a post, and I called him, and I told him I felt like he should take it down, and he did. And he listened to me, you know what I mean?

Because really what it is, there's a lot of people who don't understand, like, you know, Queensbridge, those Queensbridge Day, like every year. Right. Every project. And itbridge Day like every year. Right. Every project. And it's real, every project.

But it's real, it's the city who, excuse me, hires these people. They coordinate everything. Yeah, they coordinate it. So it's just like rock the bells and all this. Everyone like, you know, who's mad at rock the bells in the 50th. Yeah, yeah. So I had to, you know, I took it upon myself to explain the trash that had nothing to do with the actual, you know, people. Yeah.

But when they do Marcy Day, do they call you? No. There ain't nothing done by the city. It's done by the hood. Only my niggas and the hood. The hood run the Marcy Day? Yeah, the hood run the Marcy Day. You know what I mean?

Shout out the homie Uptown been doing the t-shirts for 35 years, making the Marcy Projects t-shirts, all the homies in there, you know, doing what they do. The hood is ran by the hood, man. We do this shit ourself. Ain't no city behind it. Ain't nobody behind it. Right. Marcy Day, Fort Greene Day,

Tompkins Day, Roosevelt Day, Southerner Day, all that shit ran by the hood. You ever thought Brooklyn would have a whole fools? Nah. I never thought

we'd have a basketball team. You got a basketball team? Brooklyn Nets, baby. No, Coney Island got a basketball team. The Nets. Brooklyn Nets. Oh, he'sets, baby. I know Coney Island got a basketball team. The Nets, bro. Brooklyn Nets. Oh, he's from NBA.

I'm thinking, bro. I'm thinking like, I think that's about like, yeah, Little League. Come on, man. We here, man. He said Little League. Yeah.

We here, baby. You know what I'm saying? You're Kyrie Irving. Yeah, Kyrie. You know, he on his shit. The earth is flat. Yeah, the earth is flat. Yeah, when you high.

You thought about it? No. I've been on that private jet. I know the earth ain't flat. I know half of it's flat. Earth is whatever you want it to be. Without you earth, it's called get money, you heard? But do you think anybody could ever duplicate what Rockefeller did? Of course.

It could be done. You think that? I don't think nobody could duplicate what Jay accomplished, but us as a crew, as what we did in music, it could be done. The ASAP crew was close. You know what I'm saying? That was my favorite crew. Then ASAP just started getting

all that fashion money. Yeah. He started getting all that fashion money and he fell back. In retrospect, let me just rebuke that fashion money and he fell back. He cashed money for it. In retrospect, in retrospect, let me just, let me just rebuke that. That was the same time. Because when you think

of the ASAP crew, you think of two people. You think of ASAP Ferg and you think of ASAP Rocky. No disrespect to anybody else. Hold on. No disrespect to anybody else that's in the ASAP mall.

I do know that they recognize. ASAP Ferg, ASAP 12B, globally, globally. ASAP Rocky. But when you think of Rockefeller, you think of more than five to six to seven artists. That's not true. Yes.

You think of Kanye. You think of Bleak. You think of Beanie. You think of Rihanna. You think of Hov. You think of Dame. You think of Biggs. You think of Freeway.

Oh, but Rihanna wasn't Rockefeller. You think of Petey Crack. I'm on 10, y'all. But Rihanna wasn't Rockefeller. To us, he was. Rihanna wasn't Rockefeller. He was Roc Nation? She's Def Jam. Def Jam, yeah, direct. She's not. She was not Rockefeller. To us, he was. Rihanna wasn't Rockefeller. She was Roc Nation? She's Def Jam.

Def Jam, yeah, direct. She's not. She was not Rockefeller at all. Not management? I did marketing. Okay, to us. Like, if you won't

violate the management, you won't violate it. Yeah, but she was at the end of Rockefeller. Her and Tiara Marie, they came at when it was over already. Like, they was the new

launch. Some would say that's the new Rockefeller. Yeah, Neo and all of them. You got to credit all of them. they was the new launch. Some would say that's the new rock and roll. Yeah, Ne-Yo and all of them. You got to credit all of them. That's the new wave of what built. Ne-Yo ain't giving P.D. Cracker a record back. Ne-Yo got P.D. Cracker a record.

Yo, chill. When it came time, he never gave P.D. Cracker a record, man. Ne-Yo, you a foul nigga. Yo, that's some bullshit. He can still do right by P.D. Cracker. I've been trying to promote this second record. Yo, crack, get your hook, get your fucking record back.

Get your record, man. Get your hook, Crack. He out here finger popping everything. Yo, chill, chill, chill, chill. Yo. You hear what he said? He said some shit. They got on his ass.

Ne-Yo? Who? Ne-Yo went in like that? Yeah, he was like, I don't be feeling like they should be parents. Some shit. They got on his ass. Damn, Ne-Yo went in like that? Yeah, he was like, I don't be feeling like they should be parents, some shit. They got on his ass. Damn, Ne-Yo. Ne-Yo, I don't know. But you like Ne-Yo too.

You don't want him to take off your hat. My shit cool, nigga. Oh, yo, Blink, take off your hat! My shit cool, nigga. Don't get it twisted. I ain't hiding the motherfucking bean sprout now. Don't get it twisted. I'm hiding the bean, but I just love the hats, man.

I love the way it look. It ain't nothing wrong with it. I love the way it look. I love the way it look. I love the way it look. I love the way it look. I love the way it look. I Don't get it twisted. I'm hiding the bean. But I just love the hats, man. I love the way it look.

It ain't nothing wrong with my bean. So you anti-Jesper man like EFN? No, I just shave. I got a couple grays. Yeah, I love my grays. That's the wisdom in there, baby. He said a couple grays. That's the wisdom, man.

I love it, man. Listen, my boss used to be hating me. He used to be cutting my hair like that. You got that Beijing on you. I just told my son, though. I love it, man. Listen, my boss used to be hating me. He used to be cutting my hair like that. You got that Beijing on you. I just told my son, though. You said you got Beijing one time. I've been thinking about it. You said you got it, and you ain't feel right.

Oh, I did it in Puerto Rico. No, no, I didn't. And you got the designs. He got the designs. No, let me tell you what happened. He got Hector Laval on his head. In Puerto Rico, this is what happened. I'm sitting there, the barber.

I see him going with the paint thing. Yo, chill. The paint. And I did not say nothing. Yo, chill. You let him spray paint you up? No, he painted me. Pepe Le Pew.

No, chill, man. You know what was fucked up about it? He went like this. Like the last dragon up and down. No, no, that's Karate Kid. Wax on, wax off. Wax on, wax off. He waxed on the wax off.

Yo, chill. Yo, nah. I just told my son these grades is cool, but they ain't ready for granddaddy days. Chill out. Listen, Bleak is going to be this white, so just mind you. I'm going to be honest.

We have a lot of people on this show. French Montana, a little bit of drip. Drip this show french montana a little bit of drip drip chill a little bit of drip dj college oh you're talking about the inkwell dj college i would never i would never man me don't worry don't worry if god wants this shit to be fucked up it's's fucked up, man. I'm cool, man. I'm with God's design. Right. That's what I said. He's fucking.

EFM be in the mirror every night thinking about it. No, no, no. Yeah, I'm on God's design, man. I'm cool. How ridiculous would that be? I'm cool. I ain't changing nothing. That ain't supposed to be there, baby.

It's grazed for a reason. So when you walk down the aisle, you're not going to do it up? Nah. What the fuck is wrong with you're not going to do it up? No. What the fuck is wrong with you? You going out there Santa Claus? Yeah. All right, fuck it. The fuck am I going to do now?

I'm going to diet now? No, but you can go. I do a weekly show with a white-ass beard. I'm going to diet now? I don't know. Wifey might want to age. Nah, then she wouldn't be wifey. Yo, I don't know.

By the way, you got to let Ice-T perform at your wedding. Yeah. That'd be dope. Just do Cop Killer. My wife would love it. My wife come out late, so she'd love it. Yo, you walk out to Cop Killer, you are lefty. At your wedding, you walk out to Cop Killer. Or Cullors?

Not Cullors. I am a nightmare walking. Psychopath talking. You walk out of the colors? For your wedding? You're a psychopath. By the way, let me just say something. Don't listen to this man. No, don't do it.

Do not listen to this man. I'm going to be honest. I got to take a piss. I got to take a piss. When Superdug first came out, this is before fan mail and all that, they sent us VCR tapes of people getting married

to Superthug. I wanted to pay for everyone's Reddit because I ruined their Reddit. They was coming out. What, what, what? And they're doing shit and I'm like,

I'm not coming out to that. What the fuck are you doing? Yo. I ruined people's Reddit. I have one question about Superthug. Okay, what's up? What was thugged out

about a cock of Spaniel? I'm going to hit you right now. Oh, somebody else asked me. Didn't you go on the road with him? No, no, we ain't never do a tour. Nah. Nah. Yeah, nor we never, no.

We did a couple shows in London. We did a couple shows in London and shit. So tell us some stories about those London shows. Like we did Tim Westwood went up there there, freestyled for my man Tim. Come on, Tim Westwood, man. Out there in London, man. Fucking with Dame. That's the first time I ever seen a glass house.

Like, literally. You walk in the house. Not a greenhouse, a glass house. No, glass house. Dame had a house in London, bro. No bullshit. Oh, it was Dame's crib? Yeah, I don't give a fuck.

If you taking a shit, they can see your ass. The toilet was glass. That's wild. You can look through the. The toilet was glass. That's wild. You can look through the floors all the way up, all the way everywhere. Glass, everything. Like, what the fuck type of shit is this? Yeah, it was different, man. Dane was on some other shit.

He used to have fly shit. And that was the joint that you, when you guys went to London? Yeah, when we went to London, yeah. Now, your first time in London? No, no, no. I've been to London plenty of times. What was your first overseas experience? Like, when you first went overseas and you saw that you had fans overseas.

Was Germany was my first trip overseas. Germany. Dusseldorf? That's his favorite place. That's the only place he ever named in Germany. I think we was at Berlin. Berlin. German dirt.

Hamburger. Hamburger. Hamburger. Hamburger. Hamburger. I don't think they call it hamburger, though. I was in Berlin my first time. My first trip overseas was Berlin.

And I remember my manager, B-High, he gave me some words of advice, man. And I'm going to give this to every artist out there. You got to say it. In any part of the world that you travel to, listen. Like my manager said. No matter what genre of music you in Is drugs involved Whether it's rock and roll

R&B Rap It's drugs Christian gospel Christian everybody Everybody doing some type of drugs It's drugs It's music right

So I remember I was in Germany Stressed like yo damn ain't no weed out, ain't nothing. And my manager was like, yo, anywhere they sell music, they sell drugs. Right. Just find a place where they sell mixtapes at. So I remember moving around Germany. I Googled. Yeah, Google was out because I remember Googling, like, where mixtapes.

And I went to an underground mixtape spot. I bought a Clu tape and, like, about $100 worth of weed. I went to an underground Mixtape spot I bought a clue tape And like About a hundred dollars Worth of weed I used to do Yo you got weaves Like hell yeah

That nigga had 20s In the music shop in Germany That's when I knew Like damn you right Music involves drugs man We fucking drug addicts Right If you could change anything

About This whole Journey What would you change If you could change anything about this whole journey, what would you change or make better? In terms of what? Physical? Because if I could be it,

I'd be, I have the 50 cent body. What's up? I don't think he meant that, though. Like, that's what I'm saying. What you want me to say? I'm with the answer, though. Like, yeah,

you want me to come out or some Ja Rule shit? What, I'll be without my baby. What you want me to say? I'm with the answer, though. Like, yeah, you want me to come out with some Ja Rule shit? What, I'll be without my baby? Fuck it. You kidding me? I used to hate Ja Rule. I'd get ripped off his shirt. You fucking bitch-ass nigga.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Let me load, bro. Load me six muscles. My baby. Load me six muscles for my next show. I'll bring them back. So is that it? Just the physical?

No, without action. Like, wait, what matter? What would I change? What else would you change? Yeah, besides the physical. Yeah? Just the physical? No, without action. Like, wait, what matter? What else? What else would you change? Yeah, besides the physical. Yeah, besides the physical. Yeah, like, in terms of what? Be specific, bro.

Like... Records you picked, decisions you made. Oh, man. If I could go back, y'all niggas don't know this. I never told this story. I turned down Drumline like a see? Package me up. Wait, you were supposed to be Nick Cannon? Yeah. The movie? Nah.

Yeah, I turned it down. You were supposed to be the lead in the movie? Yeah. He wanted me to do it and everything and I was scared. Chris Robinson? Yup. I was scared. Scared to the ass? Hold on, y'all. Y'all over there. Hold on. So you're telling me Chris Robinson called you for Drumline? Yes. You were supposed to be the main character.

Yes. He wanted to put me in acting school and all that, and I was afraid. Yeah, they wouldn't invest in you that much. I was afraid because when I read the script, it was a drummer, and I was afraid. Remember, my career had just started working, and I'm saying to myself, all right, I do this movie as a drummer, and then it don't work. I'm going to go back to the hood and tell niggas we out here getting this money. We real niggas. You know, Nick wanted to be.

And you know what's so ill about Nick? Me and Nick had the same management. My manager, B-Hi, used to manage him too. And my man, rest in peace, Klepto, used to be in the studio with Nick. Because Nick wanted to be a rapper. Not come from GMOFIA. No, no, no. Yeah, Nick was a rapper.

He wanted to be a rapper. And you know my man, Klepto, used to be in the studio helping him with his rap. So Nick used to be in Marcy coming from GMOFIA No no no Yeah Nick was a rapper He wanted to be a rapper And you know my man Klepto Used to be in the studio Helping him with his rap So Nick used to be in Marcy With me back in the day Whoa Word and Nick took the role

And you know here we are He do what he did But that's one thing If I could rewind time I would've did that Because I banked I was on some Man I'd rather do this rap shit

Almost like how Jot did With the Fast and Furious shit. He fucked up about that. I super fucked up with that. But Hov was mad at me. I remember Hov was super stinked at me. Like, why you ain't do it? And I'm telling him. And I remember telling him, yo, bro, I was scared, bro.

I never act. And the dude, like, I got act. Niggas do, like, think. You give DMX his first movie, he do fucking belly. It's easy to act like that. To be yourself. You know what I'm saying? To do something I never did.

Be a drummer, go to college, do all this shit. Like, I was scared. And I remember Hov, he paid for acting classes for me. After that? Yeah. But it's the day the actual director wanted to pay for you to go to acting class. Me, specifically, for that role. It was like, I'll pay for acting classes and all that.

And I turned it down. It was like, fuck no. Yeah, you definitely fucked up. In retrospect, you regret it? Hell yeah. He just said it here. Hell yeah, bro. You kidding me?

I regret it for you. Like, you know, rap was everything to me then. Like, hip hop. It saved my life. So I didn't want to jeopardize that. No, that makes sense. I didn't want to make any. Like, if you ask me, and this is, I love love sticky figures this is my fucking guy I love him I see

him in the street I give him hugs a fucking love him right if you ask me Friday fucked him up oh yeah he plays a Deebo's little man you know what I mean like he was actually scared of stick and wasn And wasn't he in Cockers? It was also the boxing movie. That came after. That came after Friday. Oh, I didn't know that. It was in another series, an HBO series or something.

The boxing shit that happened with the dude with the blonde hair that came after the Friday shit, bro. But that hindered his rap career. It was no coming back after playing that role. And I feel like certain roles that certain people take

is just unless he would have followed up with another role real quick yes that's that's what makes the difference yes right you know what i mean so it's like in retrospect like that's what i thought what happened to me and i didn't want to gamble or i didn't want to take that bet if somebody calls you for a a reenact um a reappearing season role right now what would you fit in any prior season or back then i could play anything today sopranos i could play anything today me any role because in the water could you play a crackhead i could play a crackhead i could play anything bro because i don't have no bias to anything. Like I said, back then, all I knew and all I cared about was music and Rockefeller. Anything outside of that was like distraction noise to me.

It was big face Gary. You know what I mean? Yeah. Big up big face Gary. I lived in black Rockefeller, bro, and that was it. I put all my eggs, all my marbles in that. And that was it. And I didn't want to take the gamble of trying anything else

because like, it ain't like today where these kids could branch out and you got on kind of endorsement deals. These brands were scared to touch us or get involved with us back then. You fucking kidding me? Sprite ain't winning.

Sprite, do a commercial with us back then, or get the fuck out of here. You kidding me? Like, today is different, man. You know what I mean? Yeah, it was a big deal.

So, if state property, I property I mean no not state property If Rockefeller Was to battle as a crew Versus who would you want to battle Within themselves No against someone else Anybody Cash money

Fucking Dungeon family Anybody Cash money Fucking What's OutKast? Dungeon Family Dungeon Family Anybody But Hov got to bring All those freestyle verses From all the shows He got a million

A mil back He got a million What's she going to spend? Dungeon Family's going to be A mil What's she going to spend? Come on, Nori You don't do it

You trying to Nori's a mil advocate I like a mil No, I'm with you I'm with you You're a mil advocate I love a mil But what is she going to spit? Huh?

You want to tie her to the train tracks? You trying to drive the train. I feel like she could still come outside. I think you're the one throwing the coal in the local border. Man, she should come outside. I feel like... Just me? Fuck y'all.

What is she going to spit? I was listening to a lot of tracks, and she's still going into me. It's cool. Emile had her run. She had time. You know, she gave it up for her family. But if you was to bring them out, you got to bring out Tayaira Marie, Emile. They wasn't part of it.

Stop bringing out that. Let's bring out Christian. Christian. They was part of Rockefeller. Bring out Christian. Them niggas had ass curls. Let's be real. Let's be real. Ass curls was lit. You had ass curls Let's be real Let's be real

Ass curls was lit You had ass curl at one point That's why you bored now Let's keep it real Come on Yo chill You had ass curl You look like you had ass curl

I had no fucking ass curls From Albee Square Mall Come on Nah I ain't have no ass curls You know I tried a lot of shit I have no ass curls Hell no That was in my era

That was the soul glow era. Soul glow. The word of God, that wasn't my era. Yo, Bleak, man, you such a legend, man. I really, really respect your loyalty, man.

Appreciate you, bro. Just, you are exactly who you are. It's no faking, it's no fronting with you. Me and you talk all the's no faking. It's no fighting with you. Me and you talk all the time. Big up to your food chasers, people. Oh, yo, yo, yo, man.

Shout out my peoples, the food chasers in Philly. I fucking love them. If you haven't stopped by their restaurant, make sure you check it out. They on the gram, Twitter, by the food chasers. I swear to God, their hands been blessed by the angels of fucking God They

Bro Everything they make Is just heavenly It's just like the best They just came to the last show We just did I just did with me and Beans I shout out Ice-T

For the Art of Rap show We just had in Philly You, Beans and I'm freeway You know what I mean They came out Made some cheese steaks for us. Salmon cheese steaks. I've been dying to bring you to the restaurant.

Salmon cheese steaks. That's crazy. It's different, bro. Yes, yes. Because I don't eat cheese steaks. I eat chicken cheese. Listen, different, bro. Listen, they the best, bro.

They do the douce wings, the douce banana foster French toast. Fucking, bro, they go in, bro. They got Jalen Hurts on their side. You know I'm a New Yorker. I'm a Giants all day, but they definitely got the Eagles quarterback, Jalen Hurts. You know, he definitely a big supporter of the restaurant. It's Black-owned. Yeah, Black-owned.

Two sisters, you know what I mean? In Philadelphia. That's right. Okay. Yeah, man. Yo, I got to get y'all to fuck with my, you know, black on. Two sisters, you know what I mean? In Philadelphia. That's right. Okay. Yeah, man. Yo, I got to get y'all to fuck with my, you know, next October, I say this October, we're going to have the new strand. Like I told you, I got the Bud.

Mine, right? It's the brand. Mine, right. Cookie butter, cherry butter, lemon butter. We the butter out here, you know what I mean? That's the brands. We got the stores jumping off. We got no partner with my partner, Jason. Joe's signing them out in Arizona.

Got the store called Story. So everybody got a story to tell. You need to go to Story, get your mind right. There's 12 stores in Arizona, five in Maryland, three opening up in Jersey. And you can go in there and get your mind right by October, baby. We'll be having that brand on the shelf. Need a card? Nah, you don't need no card.

So all right. Wow. All right. Baby, we'll be having that brand on the shelf. Need a card? Nah, you don't need no card. Arizona. Wow. All rec. Arizona, Maryland, New Jersey, Chicago, Atlanta next. We moving, baby. Atlanta's going to be rec next? Yeah, Atlanta's next, man. It's coming.

You heard it first right here. Blizzle. Okay. We license gang over there. That's what I am. License gang. If you want to put a gang to some, licensed gang. Yo, Bleak, man, once again, man, I can't thank you enough, man.

You're really a legend. You're really a real dude. You're really one of the most loyalist people I know. You stand by your crew. Appreciate you, bro. Just for people who don't understand, like, I really, really speak to Bleak for every other week. Word out. We talk all the time. Word. Let me just tell you how loyal Bleak is.

I was just playing with Beans. I really didn't want to, you know, really engage. But once I called Beans, I mean, once I called Bleak, he was like, you know I'm Rockefeller, right? And I was just like, I respected his decision so much as my friend. He was just like, you know, like, Rockefeller is Rockefeller. Like, you will not go against Rockefeller. Hell no, man.

By the way, I loved it. I appreciate that, bro. And I grow beans immediately. I say, yo, beans, just so you know. Like, I'm just trying to, like, get us some bread. But then when I realized, you know, I'll get to that later. But when I realized, you know, I'll get to that later. But when I realized really what it was,

but I do want to see you go against somebody in Versus because I'm going to tell you why. Something that I experienced with you, like we performed in London, you keep going. Your hits keep going. And a lot of people don't understand that. A lot of people don't understand your catalog. They forget. You know, they forget the records that I was on or I was a part of.

You know what I'm saying? And I love it, man. We got a lot of records, man. Rockefeller, we made history and I just was, I'm just happy to be a part of it, man. You know that Jay, he could have chose anybody out the projects or anybody in the world. You could have been Shaheen. Yeah, and he chose me.

You know what I'm saying? It could have been Shaheen. Yeah, and he chose me. You know what I'm saying? It could have been Shaheen. Yeah, and he chose me, so I'm always grateful to that. I always tell Jay, nigga, you gave me a tab that I could never repay. No matter what I do, I feel like I could never repay you. How do you pay a tab of somebody changing your life? You know what I'm saying? Thank you. presents executive producers Alan Coy and Jake Kleinberg. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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