Drink Champs - Episode 382 w/ Smif-N-Wesson

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the legendary, Smif-N-Wessun!Tek-N-Steele of Smif-N-Wessun join us to share their journey! The Coca Brovaz themselves share stories of working with Mary J Blige, their affiliation with The Notorious B.I.G. and Diddy and much more!Smif-N-Wessun share stories of recording their albums, and much much more! Listen as we continue to celebrate 50 Years of Hip-Hop!!Make some noise for Smif-N-Wessun !!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. The legendary Queens rapper. Hey, hey, Segre, this your boy N.O.R.E. He's a Miami hip-hop pioneer. What up, it's DJ EFN. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players. You know what I mean? In the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And your number one source for drunk facts. It's Drink Champs motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New Year's Eve.

It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hope you're doing good. It's your boy N-O-R-E. What up? It's DJ E-F-N. And this is Militant Crazy Raw Podcast.

Drink Champs. The happy hour. Make some noise! And right now, me being a part of a group I know how legendary it is To be a part of a group I know how You know

Strenuous It is I know how Tremontious It is And we're talking about One of the legendary groups Of all time

One of the A two man group man I'm talking about I was Man I ain't gonna lie to you i've i totally forgot that when i'm listening to they join i'm like damn they was wearing army fatigues before us i was like god damn they got us but these dudes lyrical uh you you i'm listening to they bars and the things that they was talking about then, it still applies to right now.

When we talk about legends, we talk about icons, we talk about people who have stood the time, the test of time, and stood here like legends. And we, goddammit, got to give them they flowers, man. I personally made the phone call. I was like, man, it's time for them. Because I know we had them before. Yeah, they a love now. We had the boot camp. But no, we need

Smith and Wesson, Tech and Steele, the motherfucking Coco Brothers, face-to-face, man-to-man to get them their flowers because they deserve it. He's a legendary,

iconic group and we, a drink champ, salute them. Thank you. Goddamn it. What's going on? Yo, listen,

I'm going to be honest, bro. People always say to me You know You got me through a bid Or I caught a case for you This whole week I'm just listening to y'all I felt like I was going to catch a case I felt like I was listening to y'all shit

Like holy shit Holy shit because I couldn't I didn't realize how advanced the music was back then. Because I guess it's easier to reach it now because of how dumb the music is now. But was that something, Jack, you brothers was designed to do? Excuse me. I mean, I ain't going to say it came easy because we was in military minded training from the get go. Like you said, the fatigues and the boot camp, right. I was, my brother, rest in peace, David passed away.

He was a rail drill sergeant in the service. So I said all of the fatigues just that was a part of our life for real so even before the money for tim's and came i was doing combat boots right so our mind was already trained for that right all right wow you gotta think like when we grew up at man we i'm from brownsville you know i mean tech is from best style like that's that's a it's a battle zone right you know we grow up in these these these urban places and it's not and this is before gentrification like it's real it's rough so you learn a lot of stuff out there so all that gets applied into your lyrics and you know we run

around with deceptive salute my decepticon family out there let's make sure make some more you know flavor right you know yeah Yeah, that's, and you know, big up to Black Moon too because we was able to watch them work. And we was in every studio session. We was at the interviews.

We watched how they talk and we learned a lot of stuff. So we just try to apply that. So, y'all from Brooklyn where there wasn't a dumbbell. No, no, no. That's the Fort Greene.

Yeah, yeah. That area was dangerous. And over there, that's some projects. Nah, it wasn't no dumbbell. Nah, it wasn't

no dumbbell. It was the Cobble Rolls, but if you got the Farragut and you survived and passed over there, then you was official. You know what's crazy?

My boy Troy Outlaw used to bring me to Farragut and used to bring me to Fort Greene. My first front stop I ever had was Albee Square Mall. I didn't know I was walking through a war zone. Oh, yeah.

I didn't know until I was older. They was like, little boy, you might have got killed. But I was a child, so... It's exciting though, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, Fort Street is crazy. Yo, listen.

I say that about all exciting neighborhoods. I mean, all like poverty stricken neighborhoods. It's probably the funnest place you could ever have been. It's pure. What is it? Yes. It's funny because I think I got my first go-to fit at Gert's Mall. At Gert's Mall in Queens.

So you did the opposite. So as we're on that, I know you said earlier, but was that strategic, you guys wearing the Army fatigues? I know you said your brother was in it, but was that something that you was doing or was it the whole camp? I mean, it kind of was. That was like he said, being what D said, we was on it. Plus, the bag wasn't there. We ain't got no bread for go get dumb fresh. I mean, they just had guests with the pencil holder on the side of it.

Bugle boy joints. But the fatigue was the. Ocean Pacific. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got old school. Tim Trails. But the fatigue was the joint. You could blend in. You could stand in the trenches

You know what I mean? Yeah You down and dirty with it Was y'all wearing fatigues out here In Miami? For what? What y'all was doing? The tan

It was fatigues and dickies The brown and tan joint? Okay, yeah Y'all wasn't doing a green joint? The Desert Storm joint? Yeah, the Desert Storm, right? I was into all that shit too Into all the military shit

You know what's funny? When I came out here And I see people wearing the goose I was like, that shit too Into all the military shit You know what's funny When I came out here And I see people wearing a goose I was like What's wrong That's what we call FOTs Fake out of towners Oh man

Okay Cause it's too hot For that shit man But you know what It was some locals That was had on a goose With shorts on Well in high school

It was cold as fucking school So you would wear Heavy shit to be in school Did y'all ever think Because like We was speaking about Like Brooklyn was the No go cold as fucking school so you would wear heavy shit to be in school did y'all ever think because like i like we were speaking about um like brooklyn was the no-go zone at all right and i when i say no-go zone i mean like if you was a fly artist to town that's not with it they're not putting them downtown brooklyn they're not doing that but now I'm listening to artists. I'm like, yo, where you staying at?

They're like, yo, man, I'm over here at Williamsburg. I'm like, what? I'm like,

you staying in Williamsburg? In my day, it's like, no one wants to go to Williamsburg. In them days, Williamsburg and Bushwood, that was dope central.

Right, right. That's what was over there. Gentrification came, started cleaning shit up. That's how we went. You guys came early days. Yeah.

DJ Raw and Hoodstock. Right. I remember what this was. Exactly. Exactly. This is the Puerto Rican neighborhood. Yep. They got us Puerto Ricans

up out of here. Brooklyn is nice now. Yeah. It's nice. Brooklyn always been. It's the place. You jog through Fort Greene. It's still dangerous.

No, no, no. You still get robbed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't get it twisted. Yeah, they'll still catch you while you're eating your beef fat. It's a fact. No, no, no. You still get robbed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to get a twist. Yeah, they'll still catch you while you're eating your beef fat. It's a fact. Still crack in the hood.

Still crack. And the crack is lethal because it's with fentanyl now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They fucking shit up with that shit. No, it's dangerous, man. Yeah, that shit got me stopping

from doing mollies and all that. I thought he was going to stop you from doing crack. No, no, no. You got to stop. You got to shit. I ain't fucking around with a little molly here and there.

I don't know where fentanyl, though. I ain't fucking with no fentanyl. God damn it. Holy guacamole. You know what I'm saying? But they got the fentanyl testers now and all that shit. If you got to go through all that, you shouldn't be getting high. You shouldn't be getting high.

You got to test your drugs. Shit, nigga. What does life come to when you can't trust your drug dealer? You can't trust your man. That's what we come to, man. I'm good on that. So one thing that... Salute the Rays, too, by the way.

My blood brother, too, man. Who? My brother, Rays. Okay. You know, he's always official. Okay. You know what I mean? That jelly bean.

We on that jelly bean today. Okay. The jelly bean? What the fuck is that? Sound like something I want to try. You don't need no fentanyl test. Okay. Okay jelly bean? What the fuck is that? Sounds like something I want to try. You don't need no fentanyl test. Okay. Okay.

So let me just tell y'all something. When this two, this is the best hip hop R&B collab of all times. Hands down. I bet my money on it. Yeah. This is me personally. Me personally. No, no, no.

Me as a DJ too. It's two all times R&B and hip-hop collaboration. You set it up? Well, I told you. I told you. The third one for me is the Mary J. Blige Real Love remix. I disagree with you. I think that's a good...

I thought it was going to play the Mary MF shit all I need. That, too. Well, no, no. But he's saying that it was an R&B record remix. Yeah. That's not an R&B record remix Yeah That's not an R&B record remix That's what I was trying to say I was trying to say A R&B record

I thought you said R&B hip hop You did a class with hip hop As opposed to like Cause I look at Method Man's All I Need You Talking about right I look at that more Of a hip hop record

Going to get an R&B Because it was Method record You know what I mean But this was Marry record And this was Jodeci's record You know what I'm saying This is all puffed Behind all these record. You know what I mean? But this was Mary's record. Yes. And this was Jodeci's record. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? This is all Puff behind all these remakes, right? You know what? All of them that we're talking about. Yeah, yeah. You know what's fucked up about it? The whole time I was saying, this is one of those records

that Puff had nothing to do with. No, all of these records. And he didn't say Bad Boy. I said, oh, shit. Yeah. I said, oh, Scott. You know what it was? I wasn't hip to hearing what it was back then,

so I didn't know that was puff back then. He kind of created that genre. The R&B genre was his thing, yeah. We did a show with the Intrepid Recipes, B.I.G., man. Mary was there that day as well, right? Junior Mafia was on deck. And we was, I think we had just came from Black Moon video. So we had all camouflaged, everything.

We had lights and flask and helmets. And we backstage blowing it down, us and Junior Mafia. And Puff is in the cut just watching. So it was time for us to go on. And he's like, yo, yo man i'm in the studio man i'm gonna try to come come through you know what i'm saying it was like this is how this remix happened yeah so y'all was in the club yeah holy moly the intrepid which is actually a warship what's that by the chelsea pants yeah okay okay so it was it was it was master real too you know

and then we got in the studio man he was like you know you know, I don't really get to see all of the crazy puff stories. Give thanks for that. Yeah, the foulness you're saying? Yeah, yeah. I don't see the foulness neither. All we see is greatness. I appreciate him for hollering at us at that date. That's one of the biggest records.

Everywhere we go in the world. Yeah, when you heard that beat for the first time, it must have been wild. I mean, she told us that was one the first time, it must have been wild. I mean, man, she told us that was one of her favorite remixes that she ever did. But so hold on. Let me hear you out correctly. You telling me that

there's a chance that if you guys didn't go to that club that night and didn't see Pop... That record wouldn't have happened? Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like that.

Just like that, just like that. It was just like... He was like a genius, like a crazy genius just watching the play. So you're telling me the beat wasn't up when y'all came in? Y'all just basically vibed out when y'all got to the studio? Yeah, when we vibed out, I mean, I think that he had it. I think Al was sitting in there.

I don't think it was playing when we walked in. When you say Al, who y'all talking about? Al. There's a lot of Al's. LL. He had a remix of her too. He said it so nationality, Al was in there. Nigga, LL Cool J.

We gon' pick up that. We gon' pick up that. LL. He had a remake for her, too. He said it's so nationality. L was in there. Nigga, LL Cool J. We gon' pick up that. What a classic album, man. Man, we was like, what, 19? Right. I said, nigga, I want 100,000. Nigga said, what? You stupid?

I don't get stunk in them 2,500. I said, all right. I don't get sunk in them $2,500. I said, all right. I said, you got it, kid. You got it. So you guys, all right. Now, is Mary in the studio? No, Mary wasn't there.

Because I could almost tell she wasn't. Yeah. Listening to it. Because y'all just sound so clean. No, it would have been too nervous, man. Yeah? Yeah. wasn't yeah listening to it because y'all just sound so clean now I was it would have been too nervous man yeah yeah I mean for the first time just what last year we performed that shit for the first time at the ball plays with her were we together on stage yeah in Brooklyn that was that was that was you that was made miles and milestones shit right there, bro. The energy must be crazy. This was her show? That was her show.

Yeah, her show. Okay, so how do y'all get this call? Where y'all at? Oh, man. Shit, I'm in the crib. And I think Drew reached out to us. Like, yo, somebody from Mary T. I want to know if y'all want to do the Barclays with her.

Like, what? Chuck Poe. What time you need us there? You talking about Willis? That's the question? Goddamn, we just rocked out. So no rehearsal, just straight on? Nah, nah.

Goddamn, goddamn. Because y'all perform the record, right, in your shows? Y'all perform it. I mean, we perform it. Right, so you already. But this is the first time that we perform it with her. Yeah. Right.

You know, that Barclays shit, they be like sound checking like 4.30 in the afternoon. Right. They be moving around doing other shit right so yeah it was it was it was intimidating though bro i ain't gonna lie it was intimidating absolutely man of course i love i love the i love the i mean come on man that's the queen man it's like you know don't act like that's like i mean you see dudes do it all the time when i see jay and and and c's up there i'm like all these guys, it's like clockwork with them, man. I felt like I needed like mad water.

You get that little, right before the show, you get that little lightheadedness. I'm like, man, I started to walk away. My shorty was like, yo, where you going?

You need to be right here. I'm like, all right, relax. Relax, the minority, relax. But it was amazing, man. It was beautiful, man. She was jamming with us man Her spirit is incredible And what record

What year was that recorded? What 9-6? 9-6? Yeah 95-96 or 96-97? 9-5-96 9-5-96 9-5-96

Cause Puff was on a run With the Mirvay campaign Cause that's coming right out of Uptown That's where that name Queen Hip Hop R&B Started coming from You know why I always say both two years together? Because what I remember is back then we used to record a record.

Oh, it would take a year. Because we had on, what was it? The little dwarfs. It'd be on the mixtape. The rails. The rails. You had to be in shape to have a rail. That shit was like 50 pounds.

You're like this. And you had to know your verse and believe it. Yeah, yeah. It was real. No punching in. Ain't no punching in. That shit was like 50 pounds. You like this. And you had to know your verse and believe it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was real. No punching in. Ain't no punching in. No punching in.

That was discouraging. No rewind to take. What? That didn't change to DMX, right? DMX broke that mold. Really? I didn't know that. Well, he dropped like an album, like two albums in one year, some shit like that.

Oh, I thought you meant the digital analog. Oh, the time frame. Oh, yeah, the time frame. Yeah, the time frame. But that year, I think for us, 9-6, after all of that shit, it started getting crazy for us. A lot of things started getting wild. So 9-7, we might have been on hiatus. That was right when Lawsuit came. Yeah, it was nuts, man. We didn't come back on stage until 9-7, 9-8 with the second album.

You said Lost It with the name? Was it the... Hold on, hold on. I want to get... Yeah, yeah, yeah. But wait, before we leave that record, who produced that record?

What? Do you remember? The remix, the Mary J. Blige. Puff produced it? Me and Puff, nigga. Oh, fuck off. You don't even know

what year it came out. Oh, yeah. They did that, man. Whoever else the producer was there, it was me and him, man. You know, he had. Whoever other producers there, it was me and him. You know, he had a camp of producers,

so there's no telling who really programmed us. Hip-hop do that. Evolution. Yeah, man. We was young, man. We was repping our hoods. We was repping our blocks.

Right. We really believed the shit we was saying. Right. Anybody stood against anything that we was thinking, we looked at our enemies. Right. All right. That's crazy. But thinking, we looked at our enemies. Right.

That's crazy. But also, we got Capone in the building. Come on, Capone. They're going to have a guest, so let's do that. Holy moly guacamole. Holy moly guacamole. What's up, man? Yo.

What up? Oh, man. Yeah, Mr. Lee, what happened now with the seat? Oh, shit. He wants you to float Pone Damn you got the best chair in the house You got a leather chair You didn't have to do all that right now

The ambassador Yeah Queen's ambassador On the low I'm going to be honest with you When When When Capone

When we was Capone was in jail Then when I came home I went to Capone's hood To find him I couldn't find Capone was in jail, then when I came home, I went to Capone's hood to find him. I couldn't find Capone. He had gotten into some shit, right? I think the guy's name was Papoose. I'm just crazy, right?

Whatever. Pap and Brooklyn? Yeah. Well, no, but not that Papoose. Oh. So where I had to go see Capone was in Brooklyn. Capone's a half of Brooklyn nigga. I used to be in Brooklyn.

He never really blowed up on a baby, but at least six months, I used to have to go see this nigga in Brooklyn. I'm like, he quaint with each other. I thought you were quaint, my brother. This nigga know how to cook jerk chicken and egg. This nigga took this shit too far. That's the Brooklyn side of it. This nigga know how to cook jerk chicken today, Dan. This nigga took this shit too far.

That's the half of Brooklyn. We always felt that. Yeah, that's that Brooklyn love of me. Yo, I ain't going to lie to you. Let me tell you something. We had Kane here the other day. We've been on a Brooklyn street. Yeah, we were on a Brooklyn street.

And one thing about Brooklyn. Yo, let me just tell y'all something. Y'all are the most prideful people on... Yo, special ed. Like, I'm talking about beyond New Yorkers. You know New York? Y'all got New York even beat. Like, Brooklyn can battle New York in pride.

And I think Brooklyn might win. Like, everything... I'm just looking at Cade and I'm looking at special ed. They can't go against Brooklyn for... Nah. You say. You say. They don't go against Brooklyn for, no. You say, you say. They don't even say the name.

They just say Brooklyn. We give them two different names for Brooklyn. I remember at one point in life, I swear to God, like EFN, me and EFN discuss this a lot

and they say a lot of times how the South and people like, kind of like, I don't want to say hate on New York, but they kind of was like, you know, New York and our arrogance at one point at one point.

And I will admit this. I will admit this. At one point, no matter where I went, no matter where I went, if I wasn't rocking the crowd or the crowd wasn't rocking at one point in my career. You say Brooklyn now? I could say Brooklyn now! I know you're not say we're Brooklyn now. I can say we're Brooklyn now. I know you're not saying we're Brooklyn, you lying-ass motherfucker.

That shit work. That shit work everywhere. That shit work. Jeremy. It work too well. Yo, everywhere. Paris. That's real.

London. Anywhere. You say we're Brooklyn now. And by the way, five motherfuckers that is really from Brooklyn, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they going to distract the rest of the crowd. I feel like they are from Brooklyn too. I'll just be honest. And he got the Jamaican belt on.

One of them niggas got the Jamaican belt on. And it's lifted out too. It's not like it's left. It's flipped out. Only Jamaican niggas laugh. Holy shit, I got hype. That nigga's got me. Look out! Look, only Jamaican niggas laugh. Yo, yo, yo. Holy shit, I got hype.

That nigga's got me hype. Holy shit, holy shit. That's crazy. Jamaican belt? Yeah, the Jamaican belt. I had a Jamaican belt, travel fox, and jumps. Told you. That nigga's half broken. I was all the way in for a minute.

95. He played Skelly Dipper and everything. I was all the way in for a minute. 95. He played Skelly different than everything. You was on Flatwoods side. Yeah, I was in 95. I was in the 90s. Kings Highway. So much. Always in a bow.

I swam in Bessie Head Pool, man. That's our Brooklyn brother, too. Flush. I swam in Bessie Head Pool, man. You got to be a Christian. Yeah, yeah. I swam past shit. That's the thing.

Bessie Head Pool. Literally. Bessie Head that body parts Literally Yeah Kidney floating I respect that I respect A whole body in there

What do y'all think about Hip hop turning 50 years old? It's beautiful man It's something to celebrate First of all Because None of us in this room

thought we would even see 50. A lot of us didn't think we would make it to see 16. Right. 21. Right. Now for the shit that keeps us moving around the world,

our families fed and ate to be 50 and to celebrate it with your peers and accepted by your peers is incredible, man. It's something to appreciate. Yeah, you need another 50 joints. I think it's like a kicking the balls to the establishment.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you got these ghetto kids, you know, most of them with no education, like no real formal education past high school, sometimes public school, sometimes, you know, intermediate school. And they become millionaires, billionaires, owning companies, running companies, moguls, buying houses, expensive cars. And they and, you know, these people got to be like, wow, by that, you know, we come from Queens. And some are scared by that shit. Brownsville Projects. It got to be intimidating. So yeah,

I mean, listen, when you think about it, you give these people a chance. You give these young ghetto youths a chance. These men, women, and children a chance.

And you can see some, you'll see some, some great things being made. Right. Well, I'm grateful to be a part of that story. That journey is incredible.

Salute to all the pioneers. Yeah, absolutely. And particularly the ones that we lost along this journey that kicked down doors for us to be able to sit at this table

and talk some real shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? Break brags. We had two Brooklyn niggas on here recently like we just said. We had Special Ed

and we had Kane. But Daddy Kane was like, word up. I love those guys. He was like, word up had kane but daddy kane was like word up i love those guys he was like word up hip-hop there's nobody in hip-hop to me that's smoother than kane crazy hip-hop is um i'm i'm i'm'm hitting home because I think he was going to the Onyx show. I think it was this time. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Or maybe it was the day before. So I see a picture with you and him, and I'm like, yo. Like, oh, let me holler. And I hit you, and then I hit Kane. Because I've hit a picture of you, and I've seen a picture of you and Kane. Oh, okay. And I hit, oh, I see, yo. 360, baby. I hit everybody all, I said, yo, hip hop is working.

I hit everybody. I was like, yo. But like I said, there's two different opinions that we just had recently, both from Brooklyn Brothers. So I would like for y'all to split their opinion. Because Kane on one half is like, yo, as long as everyone's getting paid, as long as everyone's being seen, and everyone is being beneficial to it, it's cool. Special Ed, on the other hand, was like, fuck that. The establishment. Appropriation. He said it's being seen and everyone is being beneficial to it. It's cool. Special Ed, on the other hand, was like, fuck that. The establishment. Appropriation.

He said it's being appropriated. Yo, I wasn't ready for it. Special Ed was like, fuck that. No one is. They disrespected the OGs. They put the OGs on early. They doing it. He had a particular thing that he was.

Oh, he knew about it. I think Kane said the same thing. No, Kane said the only thing about the OGs. That's it. Everything else, he was... Oh, he wasn't at all. He knew about the ticket prices. I think Kane said the same thing, though. No, Kane said the only thing about the OGs. That's it. Everything else, he was kind of what? Well, how do y'all feel? That's a tricky one right there. I mean, we've been through all type of versions, man.

Like, when we go out in the field, it's like we soldier up. Like, we've been at the shows. We've been first. We've been last headlining. We've been at the shows, we've been first, we've been last headlining, we've been in the middle, we had our time cut, you know, we've had to go longer,

like, you know, depending on the crowd, we could turn up. I mean, we've stood on top of scaffolds, we've been in a small cubby hole, we've stood on tables,

you know what I mean? We've whored ourselves for hip hop. You know what I'm saying? We've smutted out, we've smutted out, you know what I mean? We've whored ourselves for him out. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? We smutted out. We smutted out. You know what I mean? So it's like,

sometimes we take our punches and specifically, like, I think that it's like a fighter. Like, the more fights you have, the more seasons you feel.

I don't even be tripping. Not me personally. I don't be tripping and I'm grateful to have a partner like Tech because we don't get into that. We don't be backstage like, yo, man,

what is this shit, man? Just have what we need to have backstage and we good money. We going to go and perform like it's a stadium every time. And we going to give you a good show.

We going to give you a super dope show. Hopefully when we leave, you going to want to book us again. We trying to take all the bags. We taking all bets. You know what I mean? We not turning down no money. Not saying like we with anything. We, we taking all bets. Right. You know what I mean? We not turning down no money.

Not saying like, we with anything, we just crumb snatching. But I think that just to have an opportunity to make money from something that you do for free. Like,

we do this because we love it, right? Right. That's what we saying. Of course, we can make money off and we've seen that. We've shown and proved

that we can be entrepreneurs. So it's like, I can hear what dudes gripe at because when you deal with politics and you got all these different artists, man, it's a lot of us, bro. Right. It's a lot.

And everybody got, like how homies say, we got some shit to say. You know what I mean? Everybody got some shit. You know what it is? I think that the person had a lot of money

that put the show together. And I think that they wanted to, and what they were doing was Like when they Booked Trina They thought that That covered the whole south So the south got pissed

So the south got pissed When they booked Snoop Dogg Snoop brung out Warren G And brung out Too Short But in that person's mind Who booked Snoop Dogg They was thinking

That takes care of The whole west coast And there's people like You know what I mean Who can have their gripes. No, that's whack. That's like Jermaine Dupri and his gripes. Oh, yeah.

Because there was no one from Atlanta on there. No, T.I. was on there. No, no. T.I. was on there. We're talking about the Yankee Stadium. But there's no actual events going on in Atlanta. Like, you know, like, there's no. Yeah, but who fault is that?

That's their fault. Yeah. That's their fault. That ain't our fault. You know, because we got to realize where hip-hop started. So we're celebrating... So we're in the forefront

of the celebration for what's happening. This is our baby. This is New York baby. But everybody's involved. But this is our baby. Yeah, I think each region should do their own.

Yeah. You can't be mad at another city because your promoters didn't come together and focus spot and bring an artist in. Right. You can't be mad at another city because your promoters didn't come together and book a spot and bring an artist in. Right.

How are you talking about, I can see where guys going. We don't get the support because you're thinking about the sponsors. Like, these guys got this, that,

and the third, so we're able to get the stadium and book it out. And, you know, I don't, forget about the, you know, we do know it's a And, you know, I don't forget about the, you know,

we do know it's a monopoly. We know that, and we know certain names be at the top of that rung when you're dealing with that monopoly. And, I mean, you got to hustle, man. There's no really way to say it, but that's everything in life, though, right? That's what you can't say. And it's like, not to cut you,

it's like when you make bonds In this shit Like you You never know What that next person is He could be the owner Of the club So once you're an artist Or you

You have a bond You meet in that That owner You booking yourself there Now you wearing more hats You taking more control Of your career So

It's really Like you said A hustling for us To get out there And really If you want to get it And live it And you know It comes on And really If you want to get it And live it Then you know

Where it comes from And I'm 50 Not to catch your wisdom But that shit was like The stimulus check For all hip hop artists Because That's what

Big Daddy came with It made everybody hot It made everybody It gave everybody A chance It's positive And if you wasn't moving If you ain't had no motion

For that whole joint You can't really expect To get a call of... It's positive. And if you wasn't moving, if you ain't had no motion for that whole joint, you can't really expect to get a call just because it's a biggie. Like, you got to get a motion. Out of sight, out of mind. There's too many artists that you can't include everybody. It's crazy, man.

Like, what's crazy is that you can have a different concert a month and not double book. Like, it's that many artists. Like, you could pull artists from all over. And you have a concert a month and not double book like it's that many artists like you could pull artists from all over and you have a

concert a month and not cover everybody you're still missing somebody it wouldn't be a dope joint though there's a lot of corny motherfuckers

out there too you can't just lead them out nah well yeah hip hop we raised some some Garbage Pail kids for sure

everybody got fans we learned that We learned that shit We learned that shit Like somebody likes somebody Yeah We might not like them But then it gets scary Because you're going to have

Somebody that's going to be A gatekeeper How do we How do we Dictate that shit Or we just have Cats just Doing shows

And everybody Slaps 50 year 50 year stamp on it And like that Because there's somebody Right now in the hood going yo who reppin' the hood

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So I don't believe that they was the blame. And again, like you just said. And that's one concert. I heard him say at the end he want to do it every year or some shit not when he was walking off the stage he was like yeah okay i'm gonna do this like every year oh hell yeah well that was dope and remember one of the things special i was really upset about was he's saying the ticket prices he's saying it should have been a free concert artists get paid but the people that go there should be paid. I heard that.

I heard that. I heard that, too, but that's arguable, though. Like, you can't say that, man. That'd be chaotic. Come on, man. You know what I mean? That's like saying you got to put out your music for free because it's 50 years. It's still money from somewhere.

Everybody, come on, look at that. Look at the stage. Look at the setup. Like, you got to pay people. Like, it's arguable, man. You got to have, like. Even when you have vendors. We actually did a show and, oh man, I want to say it was Italy or Spain

or something like that, and it was a free concert. It was a block party. It was fantastic. Because it made you feel like home. When you were in Queensbridge and you know the hood is there, everybody that don't normally

get to go to the concerts is there. Some kind of way these guys found a way to pay for this. They got a real stage. They got a real setup. It was...

It was to the drug dealers. It was. I'll fuck with you. I'll fuck with you. No, no, but... I'll fuck with you. I'll fuck with you. I'll fuck with you.

I'm sorry. That's a long note. You always got some dudes pump faking in the hood talking about throwing money and doing all of that. Like, set up the concert. Like, yo, salute Master P. Back in the days when they had the Million Man March in Harlem, he sponsored that.

He put money up To get the stage I don't know no other Rap cats That did that But he ain't want No credit for it He ain't wanna

You know everybody Gotta you know Pump fake about What they got What they spending What they breaking off Or whatever Sponsor something in the hood

Like you know 50 Cent is another cat Like did something Went back to Queens And did something with Queens Like that's the stories that we want to talk about 50 years later.

We don't want to talk about, yo, man, the money wasn't right. You know, what's up with the promoter, man? Turn my sound up. Like, we still talking about that after 50 years. Like, come on, son.

Like, come on, fam. Like, I see Big Daddy can't do a split the other day, y'all. I told him I saw him. I'm like, yo, come on, man. Yeah, I told him. I told him to relax.

He made it easy right there. I saw him. I'm like, yo, come on, man. I told him, I told him, relax, he made it look easy right now. I was on his side, like, yeah. He gotta practice that shit, man. Of course. He gonna be like,

genuine, totally that shit. Yo, totally. Totally, I said, you better stop it, genuine.

Look, head on top. We said, it's a lot of artists that's coming out, it's 50 years, but they've been on the stage in 20

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got a show a weekend got a show a weekend got a show a weekend got a show a weekend I'm just being honest I'm just being honest Same tour Same tour That's it Genuine got caught though He went down And couldn't get up Let's just be clear

Why are we speaking about tours? Big Up Drake And Big Up 21 Savage Which is a phenomenal Fucking tour But other than Drake And 21 Savage Who I don't consider

Drake or 21 Savage Kind of new anymore I believe they hit that 10 mark spam, big the mark. Yeah. And they, Taurus phenomenal and they're doing it.

But other than them, you know what's the craziest Taurus out there? Right now? What's that? It's Nas and Wu-Tang. That's what I was going to say. It's Nas and Wu-Tang. Of course.

Like, did you see it? Like, that shit, did you, you ain't get to see it yet? No, I was trying to get us on it.

Oh, shit, yeah. We're sneaking on, we're sneaking on. Oh, shit, yeah. We go to the next year. Yeah, everybody wins. We sneak on. We sneak on. But listen, the crazy shit about it is it's one show. So you would think Wu-Tang goes.

Like a mixtape. You would think Nas would go. That's fine. But it's not like that. It's like, so I mean, I went to the one in Paris. That was the only one I got a chance to go with. Yeah. But when I was sitting there there I thought I was late

Cause I was like What the fuck Why is it like One You know I was on time But it was like Why is it just one person

And then And I believe They did What's that shit Nas nigga It's the prophet Through the lights Camera

Action Glamour Glove So I was like Alright cool This is way too early For Ghostface to come out Yeah yeah

And then Ghostface And then Ray came out I was like Wait a minute They tricking me Like this is Is this the for Ghostface to come out. Yeah, yeah. And then Ghostface and then Ray came out. I was like, wait a minute, they tricking me. Like, is this the end of the show? And then,

and then Nas disappears and I say, holy shit. And they're like, oh, they're switching the mic. I'm in the crowd like, oh,

shit. So it's one, so it flows like a mixtape. You know what else is kicking ass out there? LL Cool J. The Roots. And the Roots. Yeah. Out there. The Force 4? LL Cool J. The Roots. And The Roots.

Out there. What is that, The Force Tour or some shit like that? The Force Tour. Any tour with The Roots is going to be smack. Yeah, The Roots. But LL too. Black Thought is an alien. L is a hell of a performer, man.

All right. 50 tour kicking ass. And you know that. I'm in the neighborhood 50. I'm in the neighborhood 50. I ain't even jumped a gun. I ain't even jumped a gun. I'm from Queens, man. I did that 50 cent business. Let me tell you something. I'm in that neighborhood 50. I'm in the neighborhood 50. I ain't even jumped the gun. I ain't even jumped the gun. I'm trying to rush my shit. We from Queens, man.

And in that 50 cent business. Let me tell you something. I'm calling Big Daddy Kane right now. We from Queens. Between following Busta, following 50, following 50 cent news feed, and Smithstar, I'm out there every night. I don't actually have to be physically be there. You can see what's going on right through them.

I can see what's going on. I'm talking to them like I'm there. I'm like, yo, man, when y'all niggas do that shit, they You can see what's going on Right through them I can see what's going on I'm talking to them Like I'm there I'm like yo man When y'all niggas do that shit They're like That was crazy That was crazy But what I'm saying is

And I'ma say this And I know I said this On a couple of episodes And I'ma say it again Don't forget about Snoop Warren G Too short Too short

Don't forget So That's a hell of a That's a hell of a That's a hell of a Yeah so you know They all They all did They came here

Warren G came here too So this is what I'm trying to tell you Young whippersnappers And I know I said it And I'm going to repeat it again Y'all out here Talking about we old niggas You talking about we washed up

Let me tell you something When Thanksgiving come around Little whippersnapper You ain't going to want That little young girl That you just met To cook Thanksgiving dinner we washed up. Let me tell you something. When Thanksgiving come around, little whoop-a-snapper, you ain't going to want that little young girl that you just met to cook Thanksgiving dinner. You know who you're going to want to cook? That old mama. Miss Pauline.

Miss Pauline. Miss Brenda. Mama Claudia. You're going to want somebody that got some years in this game. So when you see brothers like us still looking good, still out here like Buster said, look the part. You young niggas salute us. Look the part. Stand there.

I prefer you wipe off my sneakers, but I'll get away with it. I'm going to do that. Get a little whippersnappers. But we out here living, god damn it. That's how you make a good OG. Now, I was so... And Ice-T, and Ice-T actually was the one that blew that up. Ice-T went

to Twitter, and he was actually... You know, he's a numbers guy. I know you know about Ice-T, and he's actually showing and proving the numbers. Like, look. Look at the OGs. And it's crazy because, you know, that's why me and EFN started this show is because, you know, no other genre in music has that word washed up. Right. Has that word.

Over the hill. Like, over the hill. No other genre. Only hip hop. That's crazy. We was just talking amongst us, you know, Bill and we was talking about it. It was an article. We was just talking amongst us, Bill and Louise talking about it. It was an article. Who was it?

Al was talking about retiring. He was like, how do you retire from hip hop? Yeah, he said, how can you retire from this? You eat shit, breathe this shit. You wake up to this. You go to bed to this.

You're heavy. You are this. Right. This is. So there's no retiring From that shit What's the difference That makes you want to retire

When they start calling you old and shit And they start doing that That gives You know what I'm saying It don't be the fans It be your peers It be your peers It be your fans

It be your peers And your fans Cause you know You got fans You know It's just like What's her name They grow up with you

Your fans grow up with you JT said I thought Jane Chance Was for retired niggas I said damn She also said South Miami was not Miami I believe on that

No Watch out They been up on it bro Nah but you know You know what You know what You gotta remember You gotta remember man

Hip hop Hip hop is like You know That come from the hood right Right That come from like Niggas sitting around Ranking and snapping On each other So niggas sitting around ranking and snapping

on each other. So niggas be taking shots. Right. You know, that's the only thing you can really say, like, you know what I'm saying? And you think about, like, all right,

you know, the fact that you have cats that can work, right? And then I kind of lost my train of thought. I'm smoking this reefer and shit, but... All right. Shout to the reefer.

It's, it's, it's, it's... What about the younger cats? Ifer and shit. All right. Shout out to the reefer. What about the younger cats? I don't even want to talk about them. I like the fact that dudes are willing to still work. You know what I mean? Because you got to be real. You got to be real. I don't want to blame the industry or blame the youth or blame the elders.

We come from a place where niggas' ego and pride get tested every day. So you gotta, like, you gotta poke your chest out. You gotta say it like you mean it. You gotta do all these things. Authority. You gotta, you gotta, these declarations. We have these unwritten rules in hip-hop and cats get embarrassed fast.

So you gotta stand, like, you know, once you get, like, that's why Sean Price is one of the best cats to me. Yeah, that's my favorite. He's a guy who can really put himself out. We call him like

the Richard Pryor, the boot camp clit. Right? He can say some real shit and we be laughing, but it be real. It's like, he ain't cracking jokes.

And he'll, you know, when you can face that, that's when you, that's when the hip hop Be the realest Those are the cats That we love

That's why we love a Tupac That's why we love a Biggie Because these guys Are really saying Some real shit That we can identify with Everybody can identify With that street life shit

Some cats Like we love a Nas Because he can put Some words together Like a motherfucker You know what I'm saying And then y'all coming With the war report

It's like man This shit is like Watching a movie You know So it's different Than just like Cats saying Alright it's old you know what I'm saying? And then y'all coming with the war report. It's like, man, this shit is like watching a movie. You know? So it's different than just like cats saying, all right, it's old. Like you put those tapes on today

and you go on a journey. It's still raw. That's music's time. That's music's time. That's a blessing. You take old motherfucking Bumblebee and then you get the new Transformers and it's still Transformers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Reform, my nigga Reform And hip hop 50 shows Reform Yeah nah that's real What's on Smith & Wesson Rider

What's on our Rider Our Rider's light man Yeah we got two bottles Of Hennessy A bottle of Terra Manna Probably some tequila What At the Hennessy Terra Manna of Terra Manna, probably some tequila. What?

At the Hennessy? Terra Manna. Terra Manna? Isn't that the Rothera? Right, the Rothera. We're going to get you a Deleon check. We're going to change that to Deleon. Let's get a Deleon.

Deleon. We're going to get you a Deleon. Black man make this. You know, finest on earth, god damn it. Okay, go ahead. What else? We got two sticks of deodorant. Okay. Bar soap. Okay. Of course got two sticks of deodorant. Okay. Bar soap.

Okay. Of course, clean towels and washcloths. I think we got, what is it? Fresh vegetables and fruits from the gods. Yellow M&M's. I heard somebody say that. Yeah, he pick out all the orange ones. Yo, yo, yo, you think I'm playing bullshit?

No, these niggas don't really do that. Yeah. And Skittles. And Sk. Yeah. And Skittles. And Skittles. And Skittles. Skittles got swan in them. Right. We got the Yuhana incense in the back, because sometimes the backstage be funky.

You know what I mean? You got to keep the smell good. Hold on. I'm going to go right back to this, but hold on. You know what I asked, K? I said, yo, K, this is something that's been fucking with me for my whole life almost. And he goes, what's up? I go, Biz Mark says, Big Daddy Kane, my Mike, my Mello.

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God. God. God. God. God. God. God. like, yeah. But that's some funny shit, right? That's true. That's true. But at those dead times, you couldn't have Jell-O in your hand. And you had to know the mathematics backwards.

You couldn't even be standing next to Jell-O in the store. You'd be like, I know you ain't about to buy no Jell-O. No, that's not for me, bro. Maybe you want to the soap. I read soap. What else? Starburst. Starburst.

That's a Star-Falafel. Skittles. Skittles. Hostess cakes. Okay. What's a Star for law. Skittles. Skittles. Hostess cakes. Okay. What's on your ride? The same thing? Yeah, nah, we good, man.

Incense? Trying to keep it. Erykah Badu incense? Nah, not Erykah. Not the Badu-ies. Not the Badu-ies? I got a pack. I don't know.

Someone stole it. You believe that? Someone stole my pussy. Erykah Badu shit? Erykah Badu shit, yeah. Nah, of course. I think my kids. What's it called? What's it called What's it called

Pussy Yeah That's the name Yeah We can't tell you She really did make that I felt weird as hell Going home

And having to explain it To my wife You got it You were able to get it Yeah Charlemagne Cause remember We had a book that week So I hit Charlemagne

I tried to copy They were sold out So I hit Charlemagne I said yo give me your last And I had to say it I said give me your last Pack of pussy to say it I said give me your last Pack of pussy Isn't it called

Badu pussy I mean I didn't want to You know I didn't want to Neutralize it Let's just generalize it We told that to a buster What did it smell like though I didn't light it

I didn't light it I was saving it for her So when she walk in She's going to smell herself That's right. That's what we're trying to get at. It would have been legendary. Oh, that shit's good.

It would have been legendary. So no weird shit on your wine. No, no, no. No weird shit, but we try to keep it. When we do the long runs, we keep shit like ginger, honey, lemon every day. We try to stay teed up, you know what I mean, for the most part. Other than that, we keep shit like ginger, honey, lemon every day. We try to stay teed up, you know what I mean, for the most part.

Other than that, we keep it simple. We try to eat at nice restaurants. Right. That's it, man. Yeah. And live in the culture. I'm trying to put some weird shit

on my rider. Like, I want to go to Japan and order sea moss. Just see them. Just see them wild out. Yeah, you'll get it over there.

Nah, I'm talking about the black sea moss. Oh, I want it from Dr. Sabian, nigga. They're going to bring you some. Nah, I'm talking about the black sea moths. Oh, no. I want it from Dr. Sabian, nigga. They going to bring you some sea moths. I don't know if you remember. We went to Japan after LL.

And our rider was like Phillies. Actually, it was so simple. They were like, oh my God. Thank you. Al must have killed them niggas. Al must have said he wanted pink roses, orange apples,

shit like that. Orange apples. Orange apples, you know what I mean? Shit like that. Oh, shit. So y'all not Hollywood? Nah.

Okay. Plus like, you know, again, man, when you from Brooklyn, man, like, you like to keep it simple because if you request something that dude can't bring, man,

you're going to probably feel a way your life won't be so bad. And an alternative he's going to bring is going to be disrespect. Yeah, we've been in places where we be like, all right, Hennessy, and they bring us something

that's like some kind of... Grandma Ye or some other shit. Yeah, it gets difficult. We got some D'Uss some do say for you though this is a black man too yeah we support rappers over here and my man um jay of course, and Miff Bleak. That's family. Yes. We got Bleak coming Monday.

And Brooklyn Flip. I only drink D'Ussé. Most of the time I drink D'Ussé is with Flip or with Dollaz. Shut up, D'Ussé. They always got, yo, I got the D'Ussé. I know you drink that other stuff, but with my brothers, man. Shout out to them guys. D'Ussé's smooth, though.

It gets you where you need to be. Hennessy make everybody want to fight, though. For years. I've been liquid carriage for years. So does Boca Chica, man. Boca Chica. That's in Dominican Republic. Yeah, that's when it get low.

Okay. Boca Chica. In Boca Chica. Boca Chica. That's it. We the king of Chica. Dale Baba, Jorge Otavio, and Rica. Nah, that's it. We done came out. Come outside, motherfucker. Come outside.

I'm a sober, son. Drink responsibly. I like it. He's wild. Yo, you got that yambo with the tablets in there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me get one

with the tablets. I like the fucking the Paradiso. The Hen, the Paradis though. The Hennessy Paradis? Yeah. Remember when we was overseas? That's that time. I sent like six bottles home

because they had that shit. Oh, the Paradis? That was on our rider. They was giving us them shits. Oh, man. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's the Paradis. The Paradis is the Louis XIII.

Nah, we had the XO on the ride. They put Paradis on the rider? Nah, nah, I ain't gonna lie. I can't let you get away with that. Luded 13 Nah we had the XO On the ride I'm saying they put Paradiso on the ride Nah nah I ain't gonna lie I can't let you get away with that Nah The Paradiso

Is the $2,500 We ain't had that The green bottle If we did have it We had it like Where they didn't know It was that Yeah

That might have been it Yeah yeah They didn't know Because for like Nine dates we had that Oh Yeah Cause like certain places

like you go like even with Japanese whiskey, certain places you go and you be looking and they be having it for $80. I'll be on a hunt. It's just be $8,000 somewhere else. They be dumb as fuck.

Yeah, I'd be on a hunt for that shit. I'd definitely set them on. I'm telling you. So, if Boot Camp Clip was to go against Versus, against Wu-Tang Clan, where would this battle happen if this was to take place? Because what would y'all even it up?

It would be y'all two against Ghost and Ray. Holy shit. Damn. That's dangerous. That's dangerous. It gotta be in the middle of the water. By the statue of the water. Because it's Brooklyn Staten Island. Oh, I got it.

I'm glad you didn't. I'm glad you didn't. I'm like, the water. You gotta wait to create it. I ain't happy, though. I'm like, where you going with this shit? No, no, no. Get it. You think it's Miami City? You got way too great. I'm like, where you going with this shit? No, no, no. Get it.

You think it's Miami City? No, no, no. We got to be on the area or something. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. You said the flat boat. Nah, that would be like Randal's Island or some shit. That would be Randal's Island, right? Not Roosevelt. Roosevelt is queen.

That would be like Randal's Island. That shit is Randal's Island. right? Not Roosevelt. Roosevelt is queen, so Randall's Island. That would be like Randall's Island, right? That shit is Randall's Island. But that's Brooklyn. Oh, you know, they got that shit that look like a, I don't know if it's an empty jail. Fuckin' Jesus. But it's like a fuckin' mansion right there where you come over to. That's Governor's Island. Governor's Island.

Governor's Island. Governor's Island. That shit would be, ooh. They be having a governor's bar. They be having things over there.'d be having things over there. They'd be having shit over there. I didn't go to the Dipset locks. I can't make it.

We had a podcast here, but I tuned in, obviously. And that was the most I've ever seen New York go back to New York. If New York was to ever go back to New York again, New York was to ever go... That was some New York shit. If New York was to ever go back to New York again, it would start from that versus. But... That was one of the best verses that I ever seen. Yes.

Bootcamp clip against... Against Wu-Tang? Against Wu-Tang. And y'all are all family, so it'd be dope. That'd be dope. Yeah, those are the bros, man. But damn.

What's up with the bootcamp members? We just actually filmed a new video. Yes Stay on the verses How would it go? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's excitement right there. I mean like a lot of army fatigues for sure. Yeah I'm like a Timber timbalands that's like dc and marvel fighting every superhero villain it's like yeah you got the counterpart for that thing so is that not that'll be insane oh my god what's crazy is that that's who we talk about like chess chess boxing that'll be a back to back i mean literally just playing like the hits, right? You're playing like, everybody's playing their hits.

And it's 20. Just think about 20 between y'all. 20 joints. And we got joints with Ray, though. We got joints. You know what's fucked up? Y'all would be going crazy trying to pick 20 joints between y'all. That'd be an argument in itself.

When we came in here, he was playing some shit that we ain't playing properly. I forgot about that album. What was that? The World Away? That was the album? The album. Word.

And we made that in... But is that something y'all would pursue if Swiss called y'all tomorrow? Let's get it. Right. I'm kind of tight here. He never call us for verses. So y'all would want to do a Smith & Wesson? We going to do it however it come. We ain't call us for a versus. Oh, so y'all would want to do a Smith and Wesson? We're going to do

however it come. We ain't backing down for no fight. I'm not really with that shit, though. I don't really like that. But, you know, it's all for the

entertainment, man. This is what, it's the name of the game, right? It's entertainment. Yeah, it's entertainment. I don't like the fact that they're celebrating.

They're making more celebration. I didn't like the, like, the rosters was really ones who took it there. Yeah. Remember when the

Bullets man came? Yeah, Bullets man. And Beatney took it. Beatney took... With my man, he took his beat. He was like, hey!

Beatney started rattling his head. I was like, everyone said, hey, man, from here on out, we're taking it too far. Beatney took it too far and we're taking it too far. If your baby took it too far,

we're taking it too far. I swear to God, look at the history of the world. Your baby's fucked it up. I'm being honest. I'm being honest. You want to be that guy. Yo.

Nah. Beating that no shit. Yeah. Nah, it's a lot. No, sometimes it's a moment for hip hop, but then it's like, damn man, it's like, don't goofy a moment for hip-hop, but then it's like, damn, man,

it's like, don't goofy it out. You know what I mean? It's like, wait, some people, I get the part where the politics where some artists be like, nah, I'm not going to go against this person because I'm going to give them credibility.

It's like that, but I believe that that's what hip-hop should be doing. Yeah, like y'all against M.O.P. Yeah. I see it. That would be ridiculous. Yeah, like y'all against M.O.P. Yeah. I see it. That would be ridiculous. Like Brooklyn. That would be the big ass.

You need a big spot for that. Barclays? That would be Barclays. What do you mean? I didn't do that to Barclays. Brooklyn. Or the Navy, y'all. I go to the Navy, y'all.

Let's go to the Navy, y'all. We tried to do that. For like an undercard. Really? No, you're not an undercard, sir. That's the reason why I didn't work. Y'all not an undercard. Y'all the headliners. That?

That? Whoever said no to that, I'm with them. Y'all are headliners. Y'all got hits. I'm sorry. You cannot. You're right. But that'll be dope for Brooklyn. Oh my God, that'll be insane for Brooklyn. That'll be itch.

It wouldn't be nobody else in the concert but Brooklyn. Yes. Nah, nah, Queens niggas are coming to support Everybody else should be scared And it's going to be in Brooklyn Because you know why, I'm going to be honest It's that timeline, that's the beauty about listening To y'all music, it's so timeless But yet still, if you lived in that era

If you lived in that era I just go back I just go back to my Tim my timbs i go on back to you know what i mean what was better for you making it then or performing it then that's my question bro wait wait um to tell you the truth making it then i would pick making it then because making it then i think we kind of Touched on this earlier Was like

I love analog Because I couldn't send you A record back in the day Right Remember when we were Talking about the The rails

Like I would have to Go to D&D Come to the studios Or meet to Unique Studios Or go to Right Track Or So on and so off

Or What is it What was the shit That Pac got shot in? Quad. We would have to go physically and sit down and be together. This is why that music from the 90s sounds so organic. And you could feel it.

You know what I'm saying? You could feel it. That's why if you notice, one of my first questions was, was y'all married together? Because it felt like that, even though it wasn't. But y'all didn't send the record. You still had to record that shit at the studio. And when you listen to music like that, it's timeless.

You know what I'm saying? So to answer your question, it was probably recording it because I was like, oh, shit. I got to get the real idea. That's the creation part of it right there. And I definitely didn't know how to perform. I believe what taught us performing and damn what's rocking i'm gonna leave off one of our like this was like our like our 10th time like we i had already did nre i already did but now it's like time to perform. Like perform, perform. And we had so many records that didn't have... TV tracks?

Yeah, all instrumentals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, as soon as we got on stage, they was like, nice show, but you primed over. I was like, oh. So we had to like, we go... Back into a... We had to make our own instrument too, because they just did, I'm leaving, instrument too does not exist, go ahead,. Like, you know, at one time,

instead of all the reverses and the curse words, Buck would just go in there and write a whole new verse. Oh, shit. So that became the norm for us. Wait, wait, talk about, talk about. I want to understand what you're trying to say. You're saying that instead of Buck going in and doing a clean version for the radio.

Of reversing that sound or even a stretch. Or bleeding the word. He would go in and write a whole. He would go in and write a whole. Buck would go in and write a whole new, damn it, two, three verses. Yeah, that's a different type of album. That's how I got you open, Remixist Kane. Because those words was heavy curse workers.

And then once the radio was calling for it, but it was no clean version. Right. We're going in calliope, sleep under the piano covers, and Buck will be in there cleaning the chef up. Right. Goddamn. It's about giving people their flowers.

I personally, me and EFN, we personally want to give you guys your flowers to your face. Y'all dudes are legends. Y'all are icons. We want to literally give y'all flowers. You know what I'm saying? Oh, shit. That's all right. All right. He's Dominican.

He's Dominican. He don't speak any English. He don't speak any English. Snoop said it's better than a Grammy. You guys are legends, man. You guys are real ones. I know both of you guys personally. I didn't put Tech Smokey live.

That's what I told you. You know what I'm saying? Man, do you guys know how important you guys are to hip-hop? We still in this. One foot in, one foot out, man. We got a lot of family, man, and a lot of things that we responsible for. Sometimes we, I mean, we get reminded

every now and again, and it's good to not let it go to your head. I think that's one thing that kind of keep us grounded. After the show, you know what it is. We go right back home.

We go back home. We got to deal with the hood. I live in Brooklyn still. You know what I mean? I like it. I love New York. You know what I mean? I like it. I love New York. You know what I mean? I love to get up out of there, too, every now and again.

Well, I want to tell you it's good to stay grounded, but it's also great to know exactly who you are. Yes, sir. You guys are motherfucking legends. Thank you. You guys are icons, which I did to the music industry. It cannot be faked. It cannot be copied. It cannot be imitated.

Man, I just was, like I said, man, like I said, I was looking at Pone Graham. I seen him and I was just like, yo, I just locked in immediately and I just was studying y'all and I was like, holy shit. Like y'all are really, really true MCs. And by the way, you know,

I miss the Caribbean. Like, you know, I miss the Caribbean. Like, you know, the Caribbean influence in hip-hop. You know what I mean? It's still there, though. It's still there. Not like that, though. Not like the Springles.

Yeah, yeah. But it will never leave that part. It's going all the way Caribbean. Like, it's not like that mix. It's extreme. It's a little extreme. But Afrobeats is winning right now. Yeah.

That mix is rocking. That mix ain't doing nothing. Are you fucking with Afrobeats? I do rock. But Afrobeats is winning right now. Yeah. That mix is rocking. That mix is crazy. Yeah. That mix is crazy. Are you fucking with Afrobeats? I do rock with some Afrobeats. Oh, man. Some records.

Don't ask me who they are. I just know them. You know what I mean? The nigga with the Afro. Yeah. You got to remember, too, like. It's definitely not that. I'm fucking with you.

I feel mad disrespected right now. This guy is fucking. I'm fucking around. I'm going too far. You're going too far. We know DeVito. DeVito fucking around. You're going too far. You're going too far. We know DeVito. DeVito been there. He's done too far.

Birdie boy, what's going on? God damn it. Nah, you got to think like Brooklyn back in the days, like we grew up in hooky parties. That's right. You know what I'm saying? So hooky parties, most of the time, the dopest shit was the reggae songs.

That's when you get to rub up on Shorty and them. You know what I'm saying? So man. You got to pick a pop. You got to hooky pop. That's right. And cut. You know what I'm saying? So, man. Finger pop. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's right. And cut. You know what I mean?

Hip hop is where the fight grew out, really. But the reggae joints was like, yeah, baby. Especially you in Flatwoods, so you already know what it is. Like, you going to a party over there?

It's lit. So, we grew up multicultural. You know, it was crazy because in the hood, you was like, it was pretty diverse. Right. You know

And we blended in That was something That I noticed With y'all music early It was like You know They had the dance hall Which was like

Shit that You know Yeah Yeah I'm sorry That was my dance hall Yo what are you doing The band knew

What I was talking about The band knew What I was talking about Then they had the Hardcore Reggae Like You know I was about to dance. Yo, what are you doing? The bad dude I was talking about. The bad dude I was talking about. Then they had the hardcore reggae, like, you know, and then that's what y'all kind of like embracing y'all. Like I said, I walked in, it was like, I was telling niggas, suck dick.

I was like, oh, shit. Like Soundboy Burial embodies that. Yeah, that's from the Soundclass, man. Soundboy Burial, we lucked up and got that, really, man. Because we get it. Helter Skelter ran them and they turned that beat down. No way. They didn't want that.

And that's Beat Miner? Yeah, salute to the Beat Miners. Mr. Wall. That joint is such a classic. It's a couple of maybe about one or two more joints From the Shining That was like that

Oh yeah See we got thrown to the lions Then after Buck and them Put they They were Right So Beat Miners was Failing themselves then

We like Yeah Now Mr. Wall Mr. Wall took care of us man It was like You gotta think Cause Evil D is part of

Black Moon Right So he don't really got he was being biased no no no no no no no no absolutely not absolutely not i think we was blessed because we got to work with mr walt who is the tutor of evil d you know what i'm saying so we went to the foundation so So it's like Mr. Walt basically walked us through. And we wasn't those fresh cats off the bench like feeling ourselves.

We was able to receive the instructions from him. We pretty much did what he told us to do. Right. We didn't have no ideas about going to studio. I mean, we did studio,

light studio stuff before, but he walked us through it. This Mr. Walt, he know what he talking about. He got records from- Can't smoke in the studio. I mean, we did studio, light studio stuff before, but he walked us through it. This Mr. Wall, he know what he talking about. He got records from... Can't smoke in the crib. That's the only thing we couldn't smoke in the crib.

To the park when it's wintertime and roll up, smoke outside. But that's discipline, right? Because we street cats, but his mom's in the crib. So you mean to tell me you don't respect dude's mom because you want some hip hop shit?

Because right now, you don't want nobody in your crib. You don't want tell me you don't respect dudes' moms because you want some hip-hop shit? Because right now, you don't want nobody in your crib. You don't want no, you don't even, certain cats, you can't let them know where you live at. You don't want to tell them

you got the setup in the crib. You got to meet them in the neutral zone somewhere. You know what I'm saying? Moms in the crib? When moms in the crib, yeah, nah, we're not doing that. When wifey in the crib,

like, nah, y'all niggas is too, wow. I was thinking about that the other day because I used to violate my crib. I had, like, the setup in my crib. We, nah, y'all niggas is too, wow. I was thinking about that the other day because I used to violate my crib. I had like,

the setup in my crib. We'd go all night. I'm like, damn, I'm like, damn, that was kind of, you know.

What? Recording? Set up? Recording, like, and just making demos, though, like,

not even like, thousand niggas. It's not like you had soundproof walls or anything. No soundproof walls, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was rude. Like, niggas was having it. I'm like, damn soundproof walls or anything. No soundproof walls. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is rude.

Like, niggas was having it. I'm like, damn. I got to apologize to everybody. Got to buy a mad Christmas gift. You know what I'm saying? Yo, I was an asshole. Hip hop, man. When you tuned in, you tuned in.

That's what it make you do. You know? That's the problem. Like, you got to get in there, man. You could tell when a cat is loving. Like, when you talking about King, you could tell he is enjoying it When you're talking about King, you can tell he is enjoying it. Master H, you can tell he is enjoying it. These cats are still traveling.

We still got places that we haven't been yet. So it's like, yeah, look forward to it and get ready for the grind. Hip-hop allows you to do that, man. That's a big award right there, beloved. You know what I'm saying? That's right. Oh, man. That's a big award right there, beloved. You know what I'm saying? What's one of the craziest places you performed at? Barclays.

The Bronx somewhere. The Barclays with Mary. That was the craziest right there, man. Yeah, that was monumental because that was the first time performing with her and our first time performing was the first time Performing with her And our first time Performing in the Barclays

Oh really Yeah So that was No it wasn't We just did No we had We just did the Supercat shit That was the next jump

We did Supercat first That performed with Supercat That's dope Supercat Yeah I had Supercat on Yeah that was different Supercat Supercat's one of the ill Supercat Gang. Yeah, I had Supercat on. Yeah, that was different. Ah, Supercat Gang.

Supercat's one of the illest. Oh. That was different. But we also, I feel like we was there one time when there was some hip-hop shit going on. I forgot who was on stage,

but it was a bunch of hip-hop cats there. I think we was on stage. I feel like M.O.P. was up there. And we performed? I don't know if we performed. We just got up on stage with them.

That was a monumental show because it was like, we get to take that show around the world. People love that shit. You know what I mean? It's like you say, you bring an experience when you're able to perform.

True Say, the process of recording is dope because you're watching. That's like raising a baby. That's your baby. You falling in love with that shit. The process is... And creating something

out of nothing. Out of nothing. Talk about it. Out of the ether, right? So I'm flipping and bouncing the question on you. What do you prefer more? Making a record

or performing a record? I think it's a... I think... I mean, it's... For me, it's a balance. It's a yin and the yang.

It's a total completion because you don't want to make, I'm not a ghostwriter. You know what I mean? I like to write and I like to see it. I like to see it through. I like that, you know, when you get in the game and you see, that's how you see if it works or not. You know, I believe in dreams, but I believe in working to make them come true. So it's times when you get on that stage, man, and you're looking at people, and it's like, man, these people love you, man.

That's mind-blowing. That's some crazy shit right there. Like, just last week, I was in Brooklyn in the crib drinking some Henny, like, feeling kind of down and shit. Now I'm out here, and it's like 5,000 people, 10,000 people, and they jamming. Man, woman, and child though. I know this little dude wasn't out when I

dropped my out. He wasn't, you know what I'm saying? This kid like 11 years old. Bring him front row. And he know the words. He like this and then on his shoulder like, yup, he with it. I'm like, that's what hip hop do. And they never thought they would see you in person so that's like another thing.

But then we'll do something crazy like what we know. How about this? Like what? Tech will do like, yo, yo, come here, little homie. Come on stage. Yeah, come up here. Now you experience a hip hop. Your pops brought you to the concert.

Like it's generations. It's a whole nother generation. So that means it's introduced. You know what I'm saying? So this 11-year-old going to keep hip hophop in his heart and in his spirit for another what? 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 years? When we was eight years old, we was listening to, you know what I mean? Grandmaster Flash and them, they took them out to the masses.

And then here we are like this at the Round Table, at the Square Table building. That's fabulous, guys. Hip-hop. Word. Growth and development, man. That's hip hop. Word. Growth and development, man. Hell, yeah. So you ready for a quick time with Slam? Let's go.

Okay, you want to explain the rules? We didn't do this the first time they was here. Yeah, we doubted it. We didn't have it yet. Yeah. All right, so this is a drinking game. Yeah. We're going to give you two choices.

You pick one, nobody drinks. But if you say both or neither, we all drink. Both take a show for a knee like if you sit up politically correct if you if you don't pick we drink it everybody every we drinking with you yeah this is how we get fucked up to what you want to come be designated it's a lot yeah you gotta get a drink from guys yeah come. Healthy thug right now. Did you steal my shirt? The good and bad about me? What?

Just little shots. You steal my shirt? Is it a specific drink? Yeah. Whatever you're drinking. And take a small shot because it's a long game. Small shot, yeah. All right. You got're drinking. And we don't, and take a small shot, because it's a long game. Yeah, small shot, yeah. All right.

You got to last. All right, hold on. Hold on, hold on. You got a shot glass? Nah. Hold up, Paco. Yeah, Capone is drinking too. I'm tired.

What's up, brother? Happy birthday, bro. Happy birthday, Butch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said he got that D'Ussé over there, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. We got a D'Ussé. Come on, we can get a Deleon check.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Please. Please, get that on camera. We're'm going to get a Deleon check. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please. Please. Get that on camera. We're going to get you the Deleon check. All right. Ready?

Yeah. Hold up. You ready? Yo, I ain't going to lie. That hash is killing it here. Well, it's the diamonds. It's not the hash. This is good.

Hold on. Let me pour up. Everybody might as well pour up now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. I'll buy. Jamie, you can disrespect him for me.

Like I said, it could be baby shots. Baby shots. She don't like it with me. She don't like it with me. Are you ready? This is some straight Brooklyn shit right here. By the way, this is the two people who make up the rules. That's the Dominican right there and the Colombian right there.

So they analyze y'all and they give you these questions. No, because there's a lot of shots we're So they analyze y'all and they give you these questions. Nah, nah, nah. Nah, because there's a lot of shots we're going to have to take. That's this, right? Yeah. Oh, she poured it for you already. That's what I was going to say. Boy, you ready?

Everybody drink my mojona on this. Yeah. Oh. All right, you ready? Let's go. The moment of truth. All right. Well, let him pour up.

Let him pour up. You got one. You're good at that. All right, Well, let him pour up. Let him pour up. You got one. I'm going to go with you first. That's a fucked up people. We don't write this. They write it over there.

Yeah, they write it. We got nothing to do with it. So don't blame us. This is funny. This is sad. Both of y'all. Fuck that. Jay-Z or Big Daddy King?

And it's whatever criteria in your mind. Whatever criteria you want. It doesn't have... And you can explain or you don't have to explain shit. Brooklyn. That's it? That's good.

That's good. He might make us drink. You're drinking. Damn, man. Brooklyn, all right. Yeah. I'm going to take the Mama Wanda first. Now, this is very interesting.

So I'm going to let EF in. You ready? Oh, you with Mama Wanda? Yeah, they both look good. One time. Again, you want to go to the next one? Yeah. One time. All, again. You want to go to the next one? Yeah. One time.

One time. All right. Biggie or Pac? Ooh. Like a swan. Like a swan. Ah, no. No.

Hey, man. I can't be with Barthas the whole time. Here we go. I got you. I got you. What, Bo? What did you say, Bo? Ain't no easy one, huh?

Biggie or Pac? Hold on. Whatever criteria you want. You know, later we got to get it. They broke my Gemini brothers, too, though. Gemini. You a Gemini, too? Yeah.

I'm married to a Gemini. I know all about you. Oh, my God. You May or June? June 3rd. Oh, you the wild Gemini. Oh, that's my wife's birthday. What?

Holy shit. You're the Tupac Gemini. I'm the Biggie Gemini Holy shit Was that supposed to make my answer easy? I like you for that I like you for that I gotta go Brooklyn, man

But they both my brothers Okay So you're picking Biggie Yeah, he picked Big That's cool Okay, DMX or Big L? And rest in peace to Big L Rest in peace both Rest in peace both of. DMX or Big Al? And rest in peace to Big Amp. Rest in peace both.

Rest in peace both of them. DMX or Big Al? Damn. Damn. I fucked with Al hard, man. Al kind of introduced me up to Children in the Core. Wow. He was the first one who put me on the cam and all of them.

Wow. My boy McGruff. Damn. Yeah, McGruff is Al. X or L. Where my nose at? Sounds like a shot. Oh, it's a time limit on my nose?

No, no, no. Take your time. Take your time. I'm going with both. All right, yeah. Take a shot. Now you can take a shot. We got to take a shot?

Yeah. You're going with both. And unless you contest it. Yeah, nah, nah, nah. Oh. You can't a shot? Yeah. Take a shot. And unless you contest it. Yeah, nah, nah, nah. Oh. You can't contest that. Yeah. All right, ready?

Okay, yeah, you got this one. Biz or ODB? Yeah, maybe not. Biz or ODB? Welcome to Drink Champs. That's Brooklyn, baby. That's Brooklyn baby That's Brooklyn ODB ODB

Y'all Brooklyn motherfuckers Really go in Yeah I ain't gonna lie Damn Rick Capone Try to use the bathroom Yeah He's not trying

He's using He's not incapacitated He like to do it When the check come That is a cruel That is a cruel, that is a cruel one right there, bro. Because it's like,

it's like you probably wouldn't have an ODB without a Bismarck. Without a Bismarck, that's how I think. That's true. Yeah.

That's true. Biz, Pickin' Boogers. Pickin' Boogers, that's my favorite record. That's true. Who makes a, who can make a record like that?

He said, I'll go up my nose and stick it on the basketball and then pass it to you. Holy shit. You seen the documentary, the Bismarck-Ewan? We did. He was down with everybody.

He put mad people on. That's ill. That's ill. Damn, man. But the God, though. The one man homie, he's strong. He never been tooken out. MC's looking out.

He's dropping songs like girls be dropping babies. Enough for it. There you go. Hey. We used to play chess every day, man. ODB. Really? I'm going to pick Bismarck, man.

That's dope. The original, man. Okay. Okay. You can take the next two. Yeah. I think it's going to be an easy one for them. Yeah.

Buckshot or Special Ed? The game is rigged. Yeah, so you always have to take a shot for this one. Of course, you're going Buckshot. Big up to Buckshot. Yeah, man. Buckshot. The biggity BDI thug, man.

That's my guy. Yeah, go to that. All right. Buckwall or Diamond D? Ooh. Golly. Yeah, I'm ready. Shout out DITC.

You know how nice Buckwild is, though? I know. I know. Buck is dumb, dumb, dumb nice. Buck my man, too. Eddie G. Nah, he's ill. And he puts it on.

And Diamond D's ill, too. Diamond is ill too I got to call him I'm going with Buck Wild Okay Word I know cause Diamond his man I got it

I can't pick I can't So we taking this Alright yeah Alright I got this one Cause I'ma skip this one Cause we always do this one So I'ma skip this one I'm'm going to skip this one because we always do this one. I'm going to skip this one.

I'm going to go to the next one. This one, I got to know. This is going to be hard for y'all. Mobb Deep or M.O.P.? M.O.P. Bart's in there. Another round. This ain't about Brooklyn and Queens. This is about hip-hop. Another round I'm from Queens And the same pride

That I got I got from Queens But that's still hard for me I wouldn't be able To pick that one Yeah I wouldn't be able To pick that one Okay

Yo you gotta think man Cause We came up We came up Watching Watching M.O.B.B. You know what I'm saying? Project Hell. We came up seeing them.

Project Hallway. We came up seeing them. Juvenile Hell, yeah. Juvenile Hell, right? Hit it from the back. We seen them stickers on the train in Brooklyn. That's family, though. So Wu-Tang Clan or Juice Crew?

Damn. It's kind of like the same as Biz and ODB. I like that. It is. It is. I'm just thinking. Do you get one without the other? Time out.

Time out. Wait. G-Rap is in the Juice Crew, correct? Absolutely. Juice'm just thinking. Do you get one without the other? Time out. Time out. Wait. G-Rap is in the Juice Crew, correct? Absolutely. Juice Crew, man. Juice Crew. That's the ace.

Yeah, Juice Crew. I'm not going to say what I would have picked on this one. I'll get back to that another time. I'll go. I'll go. DJs. Okay, yeah. I was going to skip that one.

Nah, nah. Come on. Flex or Kid Capri? Kid Capri. Kid Capri. Kid Capri. NWA or Public Enemy? Oh. At any given day, that's like, damn. P.E., man.

Chuck is my dude. I love that guy. That's one of my top guys, you know? And Flavor Flay, man. Come on, man. Yeah, but I might wake up with P.E. And then go throughout the day With N.W.A.

So that's Yeah, I feel you When you had Cube go to the Bomb Squad That showed you Exactly You ain't gonna have Chuck go to Oh, damn That would've been ill too

That would've been wild That's Hey Drinking? No he picked Public Enemy I'm saying P.E. P.E.

Oh so I gotta pick Yeah Plus the S1Ws man They was on military shit So if I pick P.E. We drink or we don't drink? No no we don't We don't drink

We like P.E. Yeah Yo don't man Don't do that Nah don't drink? No, no, we don't. We don't drink. We like P.E. Yeah. Yo, come on, man. Don't do that. Nah, don't leave the witness. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

We can't do that on your birthday, but you got to drink on your birthday. Rob Kors or Brand Newbie? Oh, shit. Oh, you skipped the other one? Yeah. You can go back to that. Oh, man. Man, that's hard because he got relationships with all these... I know, I know.

Like, personal relationships. Like, that is my guy. We were just with Jerobe last night. There goes Jerobe, man. Oh, my God. Oh, man. See, I'm bringing my high back home. And we're bringing up all these names Because we want to Talk about these

We want to have these names Out there It makes sense man Because Like You know From a historic point That's why

50 years Is dope too Because you forgot About some of these cats Right These cats are still working They might be overseas They might be tucked

In a hole in the wall You know But Damn I think I'm going to say Tribe though Damn They might be tucked in a hole in the wall, you know? But, damn. I think I'm going to say Tribe, though. Damn. He said, damn.

Take the shot now. Take the shot. Take the shot. Take the shot, buddy. One more. Ready? Take the shot. You're picking. You're picking.

No, no, no. Both, man. Yeah, OK. For this one, I. Both, man. Yeah, okay. For this one, I'm going to go this one and another one, and you go back. All right, go ahead. AZ or Cormega? Golly.

I'm biased. I got one. The next two, then I'm going to send it to you. That's dangerous, man. Brooklyn, baby. But Mega is my guy, too. That's like man Brooklyn baby But Mega is my guy That's like the same dude Though right That's like

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Take a shot Take a shot Take a shot Take a shot Take a shot Take a shot Take a shot Take a shot Take a shot Take a shot, dude. I don't need it. All right. You ready? Salute to both of them guys. I love this one. I love this one. We drinking on it. We drinking.

Ill-matic or ready to die? Oh. Here, buddy. Get his game, buddy. You got to stand up. Where you going? You got to stand up for that. You got to stand up.

You got to stand up for that. Yeah! Let's rock with the Queen. Okay. I'm ready to die. Ready to die? Okay. Ready to die. Come back to nine shots.

You're a tough customer, man. Yeah. That's Brooklyn, baby. Yes, man. I think I would be carried out, man. Thanks, man. I think I would be carried out, man. Bartender. Okay, one more. He's doing this shit

because he like it. I never speak to you after this one. All right, go ahead. JV. You got something coming? Come on, man. Illmatic.

There's no... First of all, both of those albums, there's no fast-forwarding. Yeah, true. There's none. Only thing one got is one that's longer. Yo, listen. I'm talking about... We come up in an era where

you listen to niggas skits. You know what I'm saying? When they come on. When they come on. We was just listening to Illmatic the other day. The skit is dope. You know what I'm saying? When it come on. When it come on. We was just listening to it the other day. The skit is dope. You know what I mean? Train.

You got to be fucking hooked to know the train. Which is the lowest art in hip hop today. Yeah. We were talking about that with Warren G. The other day. We were talking about that. The wild style skit. Oh, wow.

You, you, you, you. Yeah, nah. It brought you. I'm in Miami. I felt like I'm in Miami. I felt like I was in Queens. Visualized. Yeah.

You talking about Biggie's storyteller, right? You talking about niggas trying to rob you. Every Brooklyn nigga sat there and was like, word. You either was on the other side. Most times you probably was on the other side. But you know the story very well. And it was crazy because everybody had a pop from the barbershop. Yo. It was just whip pop.

Everybody had a pop from the barbershop. It was relatable. Yeah, yeah. It's just difficult. King of New York or New Jack City? Frank White. King of New York. Yeah, King of New York.

That's easy. That ain't easy, but damn. King of New York. Okay, go of New York. That's easy. Okay. That ain't easy, but damn. King of New York. Okay, go ahead. I'm going with New Jack. All right. Leaders of the New School or Jungle Brothers? Hmm.

Fuck. Leaders of the New School, they was like set together. Night Buster Rhymes. Right, yeah, yeah. Leaders of the New School together. It's just another case of that. Scenario remix. I love the Jungle Bubbas, though, man.

I ain't going to front. I mean, they're the reason why we have native tongue. That's a big fact. It means why we wear condoms. Absolutely. The J.B.s. At least back then. That name is just at the block party.

Plus, the name is just at the block party. Plus, the name is just, wow, bro. Like, the JBs. Be like the Jungle Brothers. Right? I'm going with the Jungle Brothers, man. I'm going to go with the JBs, man. I love Eloy Nesto, but. You picked already?

Yeah, yeah. Nah, you said the Jungle Brothers? You said the JBs. Yeah. Okay, thanks. So, you take. I got to go with leaders, then. Oh, so we got a drink? No, no the JVs. Yeah. Okay, thanks. So, you tech? I got to go with leaders, then. Oh, so we got a drink?

No, no, no, no, no. Relax. No, I just, I don't want a drink. They can't sleep till now. No more locked doors. Smoother Hustler or Sauce Money? Are you scared? He said, are you kidding?

That's what he said? No, Smoother Hustler or Sauce Money? Oh. That's some gladiators. Both are dope. Who is not banned from Drink Chance? I don't know why

Sauce Money thinks he's banned from Drink Chance. Nah, nah, we want Sauce Money on Drink Chance. I don't know who started that. And Smooth the Hustler

and Trigger the Gantler. Yeah, word. Look at that. I'm going to go with Smooth. That's my geyser right there. Smooth the Hustler? Smooth the Hustler is a fucking maniac too,

but I'm going to go with Smooth. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Brownsville. I'm going to go with Sauce. Sauce? I like that. I like y'all going separate. I think they starting to do that so they can't drink.

They got to take a shot. And then we need to, okay, you take that, I'll take that. Me and Slyma do some shit like Daniel Sly. I'm getting smart. Black thought or Mos Def? Oh, yeah. Skip that. Say that again, Sly? Black thought or Mos Def? Who thought up. Oh, yeah. Skip that. Oh. Say that again, Slap? Black Thought or Mos Def?

Who thought of that one? You? Oh, my gosh. Who, how? I'd like to see that versus, too. Yeah. Mr. Lee doesn't even know Mos Def is in English. He's like, Mos Def, Mos Def.

He's like, no. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie. That is a lie. Most definitely, I like Black Dog. Yeah. Ancient.

Black Dog the most. Yeah, I got to take a shot. Take your shot. Take your shot. I got to take a shot? Yeah. Damn. Okay. Barry J. Blas or Mariah Carey?

Look at this shit. Gotta go Mary. Mary. You can't leave them either, bro. Relax. Let them talk. Oh, my bad. I love Mariah.

I want them to keep performing with Mary. Go Mary, nigga. Leading the witness. Exactly. The Sauce or XXL? Oh, man. The Sauce was right. That's, man. The Sauce was right.

That's the original. Yeah. The Sauce is it. It got to be the Sauce. The Sauce is... You know how niggas used to want to kill a nigga to get five mics in the store?

Oh, my God. Let me tell you something. It almost happened to come up. That shit makes sense. That shit makes sense. Still mad at Benzino to this day. Benzino, man. To this day,

me and this nigga could be arguing about... That shit made a difference. We could be arguing about candles. And I'll just be like, nigga, you ain't never give me the other mic. He'll be like, what the fuck does this got to do with... I have not got over it. Yeah, yeah. And he let Silk the Shocker beat me in every award.

And he brings this up every episode, so you know it's bothering. Nigga, every category. And he brings this up every episode so you know it's bothering. Nigga, every category. I won it. He told Silk the Shocker the same shit. Silk the Shocker? I'm so fucked up behind this. But Master P has seven tracks.

It's almost like 22 years later I win a BET award for a podcast and I accept awards like last time I've been here y'all let Silk the Shocker be. Talk about not getting over something. The source definitely started doing some

funny business after a while. But what it was it could never like it cemented itself. It was never big. It was the Bible man. It was the Bible of hip hop man. And they used to have

some hard assass covers. You could take nine ads out. That was the hell of shit. The only magazine you could take nine ads out. That was a matter of course. Yeah, that was the fucked up part. You had money. You could just buy your way in at the end.

Master P and Cash Money. Shut down the site. For real. Master P had nine pages, Cash Money. As I start saying that I really didn't get over it And I was just like Like beeping And he just looked at me Like a man And he was like

I can't front Master P's to buy all the ads You know what I mean Like he wanted me to Yo listen And you couldn't be mad At him explaining it Listen Master P used to buy all the ads You know what I mean? Like he wanted me to Yo, yo, listen And you couldn't be mad At him explaining it that way Listen

The way he like broke it down Like I actually I was still mad Let's just be clear But I just couldn't let my frustration Continue I was just like fuck Because I might have took the same money

I get it I might have took that same money You know the only reason Why we got over Not to cut you I'm going to let you go on I'm sorry But we had skullduggery on penalties

Yeah We was part of them ads Because when penalty had to take out the ad they put cnn in the ad but it looked like a master p ad okay because they said we gotta cut the show a little bit because it says six we're gonna stop at seven um analog or digital i want both of y'all to analyze. You want both of them to be analog? That's one of them any given Sunday joints. Analog phone's expensive. You want to see? I'm glad you gave us the rules because

politically correct, that shit is real. Because analog, you know, analog is the stuff. That's the real Yeah Cause analog You know Analog is the stuff That's the stuff right You don't have all day But digital is so clean And you can go back in

And do this Same time You can definitely do more With digital Yeah But does it feel like analog Right It's too clean

It's too clean Digital made it so Anybody can rap Right Yeah But it's like It sounded too clean You know what I mean I don't know if it's it so anybody could rap. Right. But it's like I said, it sounded too clean. You know what I mean?

I don't know if it's clean or dirty, but it sounded clean. You hear the jumps in the record. You can take a dog in the booth. Like when 36 Curbs came out, they went in that dirt. And you appreciated it. They wanted it to sound dirty. All right, just as far as music-wise, are you talking about? Yeah, music-wise.

Not like cameras and- No, no, no. We'll keep it in music then we go down another rabbit's hole with that one I still I say analog for that

as far as music analog or digital yeah I would say analog too man digital was great but that analog man that's a feeling

that's a vibe cause it was communal you had to have like right now like right now, CNN and Smith & Wesson can make a record, right? But if y'all in Brooklyn

and we in Left, Back, and Queensbridge, and especially if me and Capone not even together, like it'd be better if me and Capone was together,

y'all together, and we in separate. But us four together, we sitting there drinking the Deleon, drinking the motherfucker and smoking, drinking the motherfucking, smoking some gumbo, you know what I mean?

And that chemistry under... Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. And you can hear that shit in the records now. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, yeah. It's not like collabs no more. The vocals are different because they're recorded on different mics. It's all different. It's a double-edged sword though, right?

Because sometimes, like shit, we've been recording in so many different crazy-ass studios in our main crib. Like we've done the cutting rooms. And then like you got a guy like E. Swift, right?

We recorded with E. Swift. Alcoholics? Alcoholics. Who's L. Yeah, shout out to him. This guy is a beast. But it's like we in the bathroom. It's like a mattress. Yeah. But it's like we in the bathroom. It's like a mattress.

Yeah. But it might be the L is shit. You can't see the drummer like that. You know what I mean? You'd be catching. But then it's like,

all right, we did one. When we did the reggae album, we recorded behind bookshelves and shit. Again, it was like mattresses. With K-Salam. Yeah, K-Salam.

And we had the mics, you know, the recorder, the old school recorders. Like when you're literally doing an interview with a cat with the little mics, the little mic sticks. I mean, it's like a small boom mic. EFN got that. But we rapping on that. I used to record my freestyles. I felt like I was in Yard, though, for real. I was like, yeah, this is, I like this.

This is dirty. No, no, from my mixtape. But what's the name? Digital Work, after a while, because, you know, rest in peace, my brother, Kaz. Him and SVK saved us a lot of money by switching us to digital. Yeah. From analog, where we learned how to rape the label. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

To get $250,000. Bless you, brother. Did I say that too loud? Nah. That's the truth. We ain't taking that. Definitely, yeah, yeah. Get 2,000. Did I say that too loud? Nah. That's the truth. We ain't taking that. No, definitely digital's cheaper. Capdive and SBK showed us how to.

Again, like what you said, it's a gift and a curse because it's like, all right, cool. Like, to make an analog record, you got to be there six hours, though. Yeah. You ain't just, unless your rhyme is, unless you 5% with it, like, you know what I mean? You got to be there six hours, though. You ain't just, unless your rhyme is, unless you 5% with it, you know what I mean? You learn your rhymes, like the lesson.

You got to be ready to write. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We call that the Rayman. Not everybody can get to a studio. That's where we have oversaturation now. Digital, anybody could be a recording artist. You got some wizards. It's on your computer. You got some wizards.

Well, AI, me and Capone could sound like y'all. Y'all could sound like me and Capone. I am not. Y'all can lay off. The only person I heard say do the right thing with A.I. was Beans.

Beanie Seagull. I liked what he said. Only person I ever heard say he's going to take his old voice and do his new album so he can sound like his old soul. Wow.

That's A.I. Okay, so now... Pick up Beans. So now we talking about... We talking about... Now we going down the rabbit hole. Yeah, now we going down the rabbit hole Yeah now we going down the rabbit hole Cause that would be L if we did like

The Diggy Diggy Doc could do that D.O.C. I already know D.O.C. That'd be L though D.O.C. Oh my God And D.O.C. if he never would've lost his voice But other than that man

But his pen game was still Yeah he was still writing for No no yeah he was writing for everybody Other than that we don't need to be tampering with that Cats is still alive Right You know what I'm saying? Sometimes people need that shit.

I've seen some artists on this 50-year trip. They really struggling, trying hard to get in the game. Some cats is looking out of shape. It's hard. It's difficult. I'm not saying you got to go to the gym all the time but, like, even, like, mentally getting up there and performing in front of

people, like, you gotta be in a space right there, you know what I mean? So like, all that, we ain't gonna be jumping around but you see guys, they coming, they paying what they was, the tickets was like 300 like, 300 and up people wanna see, people wanna be at Rock the Bells, I think, something like that.

I don't know. But yeah, you stay there. We probably was way more than that. I only seen like maybe a buck and change. That infamous Gate 8 showed you the tickets wasn't that expensive. Word. That shit was infamous, Gate 8. Beyonce.

Beyonce was, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a different, yeah. No, but J different Shut it down She gave away 15 million I ain't fucking with Taylor Swift though Let's keep it real

I don't care I'm not looking for A Taylor Swift concert I'm going to The Beehive concert though I'm going to Wherever you at girl What kind of money

She give with Finney Man I'm going to a Drake concert I want to see them bras Being thrown Go ahead Finney said He ain't get no bras 50 said he ain't get no bras. We're going to keep it moving. He got a bulletproof vest on Adam.

Scarface, Ice Cube. Face. I'm going with face, man. You got to commit. When it shit get hard, when it get too hard, you got to think too. You can't man On the ass joint. Think about... Oh, yeah. Come on. Think about Scarface joint on the ass joint. Then you got to really think about it. Never seen a man cry? No, that's wild. Cube got... You don't got to get me started with Cube.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That was... Never seen a man cry on a scarf. No Vaseline. Jacket for Pete. There's no easy way out on that one, broski. No Vaseline. So, we all got a drink?

No. You saying both? No, I'm saying both. I'd say bothoski. So, we all got a drink? No. You saying both? No, I'm saying both. I'd say both. I'm saying both. You got a tea shot? Because Face Mom, come on, man. Face Mom?

Our face is what? Face is crazy. Face Mom calls me Cayenne. All right, ready? I don't like the way you say that, Mr. Lee. Good, good. We like it, D.C. We like it.

Boys in the Hood and Medicine Society.. Good, good. We like it. We like it. Boys in the Hood and Men's Society. I ain't lost it. Don't go. Those are two classic life lesson movies, though. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I'm at the border trying to get, you know. Because it's like watching the movies. You applied shit from the movies to your everyday life to get to where you are right now.

Right. God damn. Boys in the hood or what? Now, y'all got to take a drink. Whoever came up with that got to take a shot. Oh, OK. Yeah. Y'all should take this mixie over there, though.

I'm a. Yeah, I got to go with, though. I'm going to go with both. Cool. I'm going to go with both. All right. Because, you know, we're going to skip around a little bit. And you can go back to whatever you want to go to, E. Rap City or Yo! MTV Raps? Yo! MTV Raps.

That's the foundation right there That's a hard one too Damn You should have said Ralph McDaniel Rap City had the basement I was on Rap City I DJ'd a couple episodes

But I would even say You want to see Rap City Yo MTV was with Drake Drake Yeah yeah yeah Nah nah nah That's the guys

I had seen Fab Five The other day On some shit Rap City was Joe Clear That's the hom. Yeah, that's that five brothers. Nah, I seen Fab Five the other day on some shit. Rap City was Joe Clair. That's the homie. Big Tigger. That's the homie too, Joe Clair. Big Lad.

And Tig, oh fucks sake. This drink, and they both. You can't, my bad. Is it? He's drinking this drink. Why the fuck we drinking this? Yeah, we got to go on that, man. I can't. We could go to, it's like we could get D.C. like every other week.

Okay. This one I'm curious about. I did my shit. Okay. I'm curious for this one. I feel like y'all both going to drink on this one. KRS or Rakim? Whatever criteria you want.

He drinking already Wait wait Relationships man That's the fucked up part Cause it's like you thinking about Accomplishments It's whatever it is to you Nobody beats the odds

Check out my melody They both really don't fly You gotta get with them on both Nobody beats the odds. Exactly. If that's not hip-hop royalty, I don't know what is. That is ultimately hip-hop royalty. I don't like to be on a plane longer than three, four hours.

Really? But a boat? Right. You got to leave like a week and a half early. Yeah, K-Rex will take a boat overseas. But what I do love about Chris is that he'll

he bring his family yeah so you're not away from your family his kids are his DJs right his kids his wife

yeah so do you get homesick nah that's 100% you probably yeah nah his son is his DJ yeah

his daughter and I think he's starting to produce now and all that yeah the whole family it's a family affair that's all that. Yeah. The whole family. It's a family affair. Yeah, remember before Miss Melody was in?

They were all together doing shit. That shit worked. Yeah. So that means, like, do you get homesick? Your whole crib is just away from your crib. You got to think, like, a boat to, like, Africa or Australia is like days. That's like 40 days. It's like a week.

Yeah, like a week. Nah, not no week. It's a week. That got to be more than a week. Nah, nah, nah. That got to be more than a week. Boy, you want to talk more, bro? What are you on?

What are you on? This guy's on the whole joint. He rolling. It take you a day to get to Texas. It take you a day to get to Texas. What are you on? He's rolling. It take you a day to get to Texas. It take you a day to get to Texas. Where you at, bro? It take you a day by car to get to Texas.

On a bus, it does take you a day to get through all of Texas. It does. Texas. On a bus. On a bus. We talking about bus. New York is like 28 hours on a bus, right? 18. 18?

17. No, I think it took a week. Google it. No, you got to Google it. You're saying from here to Africa by punch? No, no, no. I'm thinking of the last time Karis was on Drink Champs. Remember, he went to Europe.

Yeah, he went to Europe after that. I think it took like a week. But he don't drink at all? Nah, at all. At all. But what he does, though. Yeah, he don't fly. And Fat Joe wasn't flying originally because of Karis One.

Wow. But Fat Joe, yeah, he didn't fly. Originally, yeah, because of Karis One. Ain't nothing nice about being on a boat for a week, though. But it's, you know what I'm saying? You get into a car accident. Never know what kind of boat it is, though. You get into an airplane accident.

Hopefully nobody gets into no accidents. Yeah, everybody be safe, man. You say a boat accident? No, he said a plane accident. No, he said a car accident. Oh, right. I'm like, what? But what he does, though, which is genius, aside from taking his family, is like, depending

on, I guess, the length of the show. Like, you know, like back in the days, they had, even now, they have the cruises, right? Where you stop in different countries on the way. So you have, like he was talking about going, I guess, to Europe or whatever, but stopping in like Spain. I got the Rock the Bell cruise coming up. To go to like this library. And he's like, this book you can only find in this church. I'm like, yo, this guy is really in it like that.

So when it comes to him being a teacher and a scholar, as far as that, that's real. Yeah, it's authentic. I can't speak. And, you know, it's almost blasphemy because Rakim is the God. That's top five.

So you pick a KRS-One. Is this what you're saying? I'm drinking. I'm drinking. I'm definitely drinking because it's like... He's making the case for Karis, but we drinking.

There's no way in the world, man. I was going to... Chris, Brian, Salute. The Titans, man. To the Titans, man. Can we drink?

You want to go to the last one so we can get back to the interview real quick? I was trying to... I mean, there's still some good ones, man. Okay, you want to get

one more good one in? Do a couple. Nipsey or Eazy-E? Damn. Rest in peace to both of you. Eazy-E is the godfather, man. Let me go with E, man. Rest in peace, man. Rest in peace both the godfather, man. Let me go with E, man. Rest in peace, man.

Rest in peace, both of them brothers, man. I can see how you do that. Nip is like a forerunner for a whole new generation. Yeah, he carried a torch. Very true. He carried a torch. Yeah, we drinking. Both of them.

That's perspective. Rest in peace to them brothers. You want to go E, man? The Chronic or Me Against the World? You didn't drink, brother. I thought I found a way to make it. Nah. And it's your birthday.

And you didn't drink. Chronic or Me Against the World? I'm trying to think of where I was at at those times in my life when those albums was dropping like that. Me Against the World is the album he dropped after he came out of jail, right? After he came out of jail, right. So this was when we was- All eyes on me, all of us.

No, it's Me Against the World. I think he was in prison. He was just getting out. He was still in it, wasn't he in prison when that came out? Me Against the World? Yeah, that was the one that had the video with everybody in it, like all the celebrities. Yeah, that's when he was coming out. I'm with you on that one.

I mean, he was in, out, whatever. It was rolled out while he was still in there. We all know that The Chronic is, that's one of the, you know, top, top. Being in some world. That's a blueprint album. That's not even like an album. That's like a fucking like. That's a double album, wasn't it?

Yeah, it's like a double. That shit is like, that's like a symphonic concerto. Ain't that what you got? Ain't nothing like my old school? Yeah. Ain't that like that old school? That shit is dick. Maybe that did come out.

That's almost. Let me just say something. After it's almost. Let me just say something. After he came out? Let me just say something. I want you to drink. No, I'm kidding. I'm definitely drinking. One day I'm outside.

I want to be drunk. Yo, listen, listen, listen. One day I'm outside and I'm listening to just pop. Right? So I'm taking a walk and that record comes on. Ain't nothing like the old school

and he's talking about Skelly. He's talking about only New York shit. Real shit. Real shit. And I'm listening to it. And the people that I'm with, they don't know New York shit. They don't get it at all. You was in New York?

No, no. I was in Hollywood Beach just taking a walk. And then California Love comes on. And it's crazy how he embodied both coasts because he is from both coasts in that way right i just didn't see nobody ever in box like if you listen to like you you're not being from new york you might not catch the jews that he's saying in a um you know talking about. Right, right, right. You know, talking about the fire hydrants.

There's certain things that just was in New York. Right? And especially at that time. Right. So, when you... I'm listening to it. Then I'm listening to California Love,

which I can't actually relate to because I never actually lived in Cali. But I'm listening and the people that's with me is like, oh, shit. They get it now. He talking about this shit. And I'm looking like, people that's with me Is like Oh shit He talking about this shit And I'm looking like

Holy shit This guy actually The one and only person To ever actually capture Both stories Both stories That's why he won In the top five

Did you watch it? It came on No no It came on right back to back I had my playlist on Did you watch the Dear Mama The do, I came on right back to back. I had my playlist on. Did you watch the Dear Mama, the docu-series? Oh, no, I did not. That was the latest joke.

I didn't know that. Obviously, we all know his mom was a panda. I didn't know that it was in Harlem where she was at. And she damn near ran the whole thing. Oh, wow, I didn't know that. So, I mean, his roots in New York are ill. Like, it's crazy. Yeah, so you got to think, man.

This guy went to acting school. Like, he was dedicated. And he did the illest ghettos of New York, Baltimore. The illest ghettos. The illest ghettos. That's like Carmelo Anthony. That's ridiculous.

The best of both worlds. That's some black Jesus Christ shit right there. Wow. You went through all of the hells. You went through love, hell, and right. And you was raised by an army. You don't have that. You talk about a village.

Raised by a village. He was raised by a village of panthers. And they was going through it. He was born in the belly, right? He was in the belly and his balls. And she in the belly and the balls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in the belly of his balls and she was in the belly of the beach. You got a person that has

taken all of this trauma and been able to give it back. A lot of people were very critical of Pop because he tends to bounce around. They go, are you a panther? Are you a gangster? He's an artist. He was a kid.

Nobody understands how young he was Last question back and so we could go and go into the When you go more like this we hear you bro The question was what it was me against the world Or the chronic Or the chronic Yeah yeah yeah So we drinking to that

Yeah Okay but We drank Yeah yeah drink Yeah yeah drink But now this is the last one And then we're going to get back Into the interview

E Go You heard Yeah Okay This is the one I feel like everyone Should drink on this one

Loyalty or respect The guy who stopped drinking I think everybody Should drink on that. Of course, you know they both go hand in hand. What hand you roll up with? You will want the respect from your peers.

If you're a man, you want that respect and you're going to give it. But from that, I don't know if I was going to choose to be loyal to you or not, because you might not need that loyalty at certain times. But who wouldn't want both? Yeah, who wouldn't want both? But respect is a big thing. So you're going to respect? I'm going with respect, but I'm going with both? But respect is a big thing. So you're going with respect? I'm going with respect, but I'm going with both. I respect that.

We got to respect when we drink. So we got to drink on that shit? Yeah, but he said both. But he said one, but really he said both. Nah, I understand. I understand. I understand. He threw a curveball at us, man.

He said one, both. Take one a curveball at us, man. He said, what? Both. Take one of your drink day shit. Nah, he said both at the end. Amen. I still ain't drink this one more one. So, yeah. Yeah, you got to finish your drink, come on.

He said you got to drink that Mamawana shot. I'm not drinking that Mamawana shot. You see? Yeah. That is the truth Wow Yeah So hold on

So um You know um I watched I watched you uh On a clip of Of Mad Papa Um

Uh My Expert Opinion Um Podcast And it was a time Where um I believe the guy Like kind of like He he questioned you or something

about your relationship with Pac and I believe your response, I'm paraphrasing, was like, yo, buddy, you wasn't there so there's no way you can actually judge this scenario, right? Which is like, a lot of people ask me about things and it's really pretty much the same

thing I say, it's like, yo, being around and being in it is two different things. Totally. Totally. I never met Tupac at all, so I can't relate to it. You know what I'm saying? But I was around it, but I wasn't in it. So can you describe for people who didn't know or don't know know when they Google and they see, you know what I'm saying?

The Coco Brothers, Smith and Wesson, at this time where we're supposed to be turmoil with what people know is really just bad boy. But people at that time tried to relate it to as if it was the whole East West Coast. So, yeah, yeah. It wasn't as you know now, it wasn't that it was just between individuals and certain joints. Right. But the whole time we had met Pop, his whole stance was like, yo, I really want to unite this hip hop shit. What was it called? One Nation?

One Nation. It was an album. Yeah, it was an album. He was like, yo, I really want to unite this hip-hop shit. Right. And we had a relationship for him. As soon as he came home, he called us up at the label. He was like, yo, let me talk to Buckshot.

Wow. And Buck, you know, Buck used to be heavy on the prank calls. He was like the jerky boy. So he did that shit to record labels forever. Oh, so you thought they were doing it to- So Buck got the call. He's like, yo, Buck, Pac on the phone for you. He's like, man, who the fuck?

Fuck out. There ain't no Pac on the phone. Oh, he thinking they doing it to him? They think, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Sorry, but you guys had a relationship with Pac already before this, though? No. No?

No? So this was when he was just coming home. This was when he was- One of the homies, one of the he was... One of the homies, one of the homies, one of the homies, Swan had a relationship with... Stretch and...

With Stretch. LiveSquad. LiveSquad, right. Then like, you know, Outlaws is from Jersey. Right. And Dirty Jersey

fuck with Brooklyn hard. Right, right. It's a weird relationship With Jersey Cats And Brooklyn So I think that You know

The outlaw of Cats Was Checking out You know They listening to Buckshot And seeing what's what And relaying words

I don't know who got what They know who to move I know On the back of the On the back of the shining Tech had wrote a shout out To Mike Tyson And Tupac but I know on the back of the shining, Tech had wrote a shout-out to Mike Tyson and Tupac, like, want some keep your head up shirt. I was going to wear my Mike Tyson shirt today, too.

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, like, random, super random. It could be any factor that dudes that says, all right, let's reach out to Cass, you know what I mean? And then I don't want to say this just to throw it out there, but just to clarify Could it have been

Because I know that Boot Camp Had something with Big and Junior Mafia Do you think that had anything to do While he would reach out to y'all? I don't think so Nah, not at all When we got down there

When we learned that it was no It was like They called Who they could call Right And he mentioned it He said I reached out to cats

Isn't that how that Method Man and Red Man Record came about too I think that was like Kind of in the same vein What The one Magnum Force

You talking about The Method Man Red Man and Tupac And Daz Dillinger Remember That got my mind made up I think I think

I think that was Okay I know that when we was down there what what was down there I think um and y'all flew to Cali to get with him yeah yeah okay uh Greg Nice wow he had some Jersey Cats there and uh something wasn't Melly Mel there nah I don't think Melly Mel who you was you was going to try to call knock you out or some shit with some one these Furious Five niggas was there. Yeah?

Yeah, it was exciting, man, because it was like, you're in a studio with cats and everybody wants to get on the track. But for us, it was like an opportunity. You know what I mean? We going down there as ambassadors of hip-hop. We ain't talking about like we on this side of double agents or nothing like that. We're not thinking about no treason. We couldn't even think about treason

in Brooklyn. That's ridiculous. So it was insulting. You know what I mean? Especially like Brooklyn don't even really we don't even be playing those type of games. That gets really serious. What's that word you use? Treason. Yeah. And traitors.

That's some shit they talk about when Trump's doing it, right? That's like calling a nigga a bitch or a snitch or some shit. Oh, like- You can't do that. So that was the backlash because, you know,

I had forgot about that until I seen the Matt Hoffa thing. But was that- Let me just ask you, like me being naive. Was that a backlash? Because y'all might have recorded it prior to Pac, whatever, whatever. But he released it or he published it at a time where it was war.

So was there a backlash from New York? I mean, no, there wasn't no backlash. Because I was still, like I said, I was hanging out with Big every day. Wow. I remember he told me that before. Every day. That other beef had squash. Yeah, that wasn't even what you would call a beef.

It was just a miscommunication and a misunderstanding of shit that went down between Brooklyn niggas. Right. But, nah, there wasn't no backlash for that. And we would ride and act like it wasn't even in the forefront, which it wasn't. We was just being friends with one another and enjoying, you know what I mean? So, nah, it wasn't a backlash until the media, like you said, started driving points home and making shit. But other than that, nah. Yeah, I don't think, you know,

how the homies say it's deeper than rap, man. Right. And other homies say it's bigger than hip-hop. Like, for us, we know it's politics and hip-hop and it's street politics. Right. So, like, Smith & Wesson, not for nothing, like Smith & Wesson, we don't do beef, really, like that.

We don't really, you know, like that. We don't really, you know, we know we're going to cross some lines, we're going to come across some dudes, we're going to be in dudes' towns in the city, they ain't going to like it,

we're going to be picking up they chicks and looking good in a club and they ain't going to be hating it. We're going to get into some stuff,

but like, this is why Hip Hop 50 is so glorious because now you get to see cats like, niggas ain't really got no drama. Niggas ain't really got no beef. Beef is beef.

When it get going, it get going. We've been in wars. We've been doing stuff for real. Nobody want to do that off of no rap. We're too old, goddammit. All of us. Don't be dissing on me. Your mentality is in a whole different place.

You done with that shit. My man Stormy, big up to my man Stormy. Stormy is an outlaw too, right? But he's from Atlanta, right? And he say, yo, that nigga probably get you killed. You got to swallow your pride to stand on stage. Like, you got to like, when you say, when you put those names together, like these is greats. Right.

These is two cats that could have been, their lives could have been at the tick of a One tick of a line on the clock Their lives could have went any kind of way You know what I'm saying DMX left a legacy You know what I mean Like Big L left a legacy He ain't even dropped a lot of albums But he left a legacy

He put all them cats on He gave Yeah he gave Put all them D-I-T-C They still You know what I mean They still repping that

It's crazy Cause when we do shows across the world, we do a tribute. A tribute. A memorial thing. Yeah, to artists. I think every artist should probably have that shit in their set. Absolutely. And DJs.

Yeah, and DJs, of course. Definitely. You know what I mean? So it's like, yo, when these people are, don't ever forget. Like, we got to remind them how great hip-hop is. It's not just a fad. It ain't just niggas wearing some cool clothes and a lot of jewelry. And today, we reminded them how great Smith & Wesson is.

So I got to ask this question. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Why did you guys ever change the name Smith and Wesson? No, that's the lawsuit. That was the lawsuit. So you're telling me, because I ain't going to lie,

this is some gangster shit. You're telling me the gun company, I wanted Noriega to sue me. I'm jealous of y'all. I'm jealous of y'all. So hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Because there's no Twitter back then. There's no Instagram. So you go to the label and what are they? Cease and desist? How does this happen? What was it like? They sent us a book of a contract of a cease and desist of saying itemized everything they made from beer cans to the honker to a liquor.

A Smith and Wesson. Oh. Saying they made and how we was confusing the consumers selling music compared to guns. Did y'all spell it different or y'all spelled it the same? Of course, we spelled it differently. No, it's different, yeah. The interesting thing about the cease and desist was. The issue is Smith and Wesson.

Yep. Smith and Wesson. Wow. This is the ill thing because when we got like it was certain parts like in the beginning we had a lot of problems with people

spelling our name wrong. So in the magazines and interviews and stuff like that so I could see why cats would probably go yo boom

if we had the paper to fight it because we had some people that was going yo now we can fight this. But, dude, we just came in the game. We just came through the door. That was our first album.

They came right on. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Same thing. They didn't even let us get buzzing yet. Yeah, CNN. They came at us immediately. We just getting like this.

We just mounting up. I don't know why I thought this was not this. I thought this was later. This was your first album. That's why I'm saying beginning. That's why I saw this time between the next album. And it came out as Coco Brothers.

So it was a time where you could probably live a year off your album because you're going to hit the road. You're going to come back. You're going to chill. You're going to hit the block. You're going to burn your money up a little bit. Pardon me. I'm sorry. But they wasn't trying to collect from y'all.

They were just telling y'all, stop chasing the shit. It's like, stop doing it. But this is the thing. For a Brooklyn nigga, that mean the same thing. Basically, what? Because what you do. You're trying to stab the breath. Right.

What they did was the slick shit they did was they said they put other people's names into the suit as well. They like, alright, any advertisers, magazines that use this name. So you kind of like reverse, like they blackballing you without blackballing you. So you're saying y'all took an ad out with the sauce. They can sue the sauce.

Exactly. Right, so everybody gonna get scared. Yeah, they was stacking up. They was playing all dirty. So yeah, we had to get our wall paint on. That was hot. True that. And then them niggas ended up going broke anyway.

Bankrupt. Smith & Wesson went bankrupt. Fuck y'all then. You see what y'all did? Car was a motherfucker. You would have thought that would have been, we would have been the poster boys for Smith & Wesson. Word.

Because Smith & Wesson don't jam. They don't jam. Them shits don't jam. They can't be all for Smith & Wesson. Word. Because Smith & Wesson don't jam. They don't jam. Them shits don't jam. They came out all of Smith & Wesson. But then also, at the same time, I don't know what you say as far as being hot. We knew that Sean was making some paper, and we wanted to negotiate our contract. So we went in. We was dealing with that.

And then we get hit with that. So at the same time, so we had no backing. We back in the street. We like, oh snap, label ain't gonna support us going in. So it was dangerous. We had to bust a move.

So we sat on that, man. We thought about that, that name changing and thought about, you know, the impact that it would have and the fans and all of that stuff. It was a tough decision.

And then what made y'all come up with Coco Brothers? We was already Coco Brothers. We was smoking a lot of weed back then. A lot of chocolate tie and Tyson blocks. Tyson blocks. It might have came from a Black Moon session. Tyson blocks? Nah, it ain't the official.

It ain't the official. Somebody trying to make him. So y'all wasn't putting on Cocoa Butter and just saying, let's roll with it. Let's roll with it. Nah, we was just supplying a lot of weed for the Black Moon session. Cocoa Butter just said, let's roll with it. Nah, we was not. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise.

We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise.

We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise. We was the surprise.

We was the surprise. We was the surprise. Cocoa Brothers, not Cocoa Brothers. Them chocolate niggas, them chocolate brothers, they always together. Look, look,

Cocoa Brothers, not Cocoa Brothers. Yeah, yeah. I don't even think that Black Moon was smoking when we came around, man. Wow. Really?

Yeah, yeah. I think like, we, you know, we was the Dirty Brooklyn Cats That We was influencers Yeah We was

We would We would go through Every neighborhood That was good influence Cause they made A hell of an album They did They made a hell of an album

Like you think about We was the guys That were brave enough To go to Harlem And get the hydro They have hydro in Brooklyn. 105, first side. You know what I'm saying?

If you came around with one jar of hydro, you would try to make two spliffs out of that. You know, it's like one little dime. Like, Brooklyn niggas ain't even buying that.

Brooklyn niggas is going to buy like five tray bags and you know what I'm saying? Say high grade that. High grade. We was going through every neighborhood,

but the chocolate was the smoke of choice Branson Remember Branson Of course Pick up Branson He doing something I think he doing something

The pyramid bags Yeah And he got the champagne And he doing something With cookies I like that Burner I think that's very honorable For Burner getting down

With it Yeah yeah yeah With Branson I think that was dope That's the Uncle B Yeah But hold on I don't know.

But also what was part of the discussion was we thought about using Tech and Steel. That would have been dope. It would have been dope, but we would have been giving that name to somebody. You know what I'm saying? Like to have Tech and Steel, to have a label have that name. The label, right. Yeah, that label would have that. Contractually.

Yeah, contractually have that name. So it was like, yo, we label would have that. Contractually. Yeah, contractually have that name. So it was like, yo, we had to fall back. Even then, we were smart enough to know something. We didn't know too much, but we were smart enough to know that we got to make some moves, and we didn't want to stop. So that switched up. And it's always going to be Smith & Wesson, Teg and Steele, the Cobalt Brothers.

Of course. So let me ask, right. Dame Dash has this big thing about him calling people culture vultures People that's not a part of The culture that actually Benefit One thing that I noticed about Bootcamp, all of y'all

Is y'all have Pretty much one of the same CEOs It's Juha Juha is physically you can see He's not a black man. You know what I mean? But I've never publicly, other than Sean Price

sometimes like, like saying shit about Juha, I've never publicly seen any of y'all like speak about him out of character or like,

I don't see y'all calling him a coach of culture. He don't, he don't present it like that. That's not his character. Right. He came in the same time we came in,

so we know his intentions is real. Him and Buck was partners. His background is different from ours. Yeah, okay. But yeah, him and Buck came in.

He was interning at our first... Nervous? Yeah, Nervous Records. I thought that was a rumor. Not hell. He's interning? Real life.

Oh, okay. He's literally a fly on the wall, man. So his parents don't come for money? I didn't say that. Oh, okay. All right, all right. All right, all right. Cool, cool. But nah, he never disrespected us across the lines, so it was no reason for us as men to

disrespect him across the lines. Plus we getting bred together. We working together. Like, him and Buck are partners, like 50-50 partners. So if he's taking care of our brother, taking care of each other, and then Buck reaches back and bring us on, why should we downplay or badmouth anybody when he's giving us that same opportunity to bring Helter Skelter and the next group on? So it's not like the Eazy-E Jerry Heller thing.

Nah, nah, nah. Drew could have split a long time ago, man. One thing that made me fall in love with Drew, man, is early in the days, right, he came with us to Brooklyn. And I'm like, man, I love this guy. He all right. He seems genuine. Back in the day.

Back in the day. Back in the day. He used to drive the... I feel like he walked across the bridge or took the train or something. I think he had a Supra or some shit.

We would all pack up in the Supra. Right. You know, that's the hatchback joint. Yeah, it's blue and white joint in my head. Right, blue and white joint. Right, he would drive us to shows and shit,

but he came to Brooklyn. That was it for me. That was it. I was like, holy shit. We went to Bestar around Smoky Way, and we went to the park and was playing basketball. And Drew High was nice as shit. Yeah.

White man can jump. White man can jump. I'm like, how Drew High's b as shit. Yeah. White men can jump. White men can jump. Yeah, they can jump. I'm like, how Drew High was busting niggas' ass. Cheese was a real athlete, though. He played football, basketball. He was busting niggas' ass at best style. I'm like, yo, this is incredible. He ran a marathon, too.

Yeah, he ran a marathon. I was following him. Cheese was a real athlete. You know, he was a stand-up. He wasn't acting all, you know what I mean, all scary and shit. I was proud of him that day. I'm like, yeah, he all right, man. And it wasn't that way.

You get, you know, when a lot of people have hidden agendas, there's joints you can really see through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I believe if you cut Juha, he'll believe boot camp. Yeah, nah, for real, man. That's a fact. I believe. You're going to call one of us on the phone, you cut him, but.

No, no, no. Like, I believe that's what he. You're going to call one of us on the phone, you cut him, but. No, no, no. Like, I believe that's what he'll believe. Yeah, definitely. And it's evident in what y'all created, that family, you

could see it, like, that was really inspirational to a lot of people, that family boot camp click thing. That wasn't normal at the time yet.

We didn't have a lot of that. See, and again, I think that's what you asked earlier about, like, a lot of families are raised military-minded and military-style.

You might not even know it, but your dad and your brother being there. So when you put that out, and especially now you're doing music to it, and you got people that look like you and talk like you, you can relate to that. So now your mind is already introduced, but now you're seeing, oh, I'm just like this. I do rock for tees. I am military minded. I keep it in my heart. I want to shine and help my other brother shine,

so it's easier to relate to it like that. Right. How do y'all keep, y'all, y'all, you know, because, you know,

being in, you know, these are both my partners, you know, being in groups, you know, because, you know, being in, you know, these are both my partners, you know, being in groups, you know, you go through turmoil, and you guys are both in the public's eye. How do y'all keep y'all, like, because one thing we don't see, we don't see y'all beefing with each other.

You know, and of course, through the business, it has to be some things that y'all don't agree with. Through, you know, relationships, there's got to be things you don't agree with. How do y'all maintain y'all, you know, discrepancies in-house? Alhamdulillah, that's all due, his answer probably be totally different than mine.

Right. But that's all through faith, and like he say, this is my brother. This is like, this wasn't a dude that lived in Brownsville. I lived on the style and the record label put us together. We was already hand-in-hand in the dirt doing what we was doing before the record even. Wingworms and all that. All that shit.

All that shit. And shit, I'm not even his original partner. He had like two partners before me. Damn, nigga. Somebody else. Somebody else was Smith partners before me. Damn, nigga. Somebody else. Somebody else was Smith. Great choice. Great choice.

Nah, because for me, it wasn't when we first started. I was just his security. He was more of the MC. Wait, you were his security? He was the MC. I didn't even know, put two words together to rhyme except for T-Ski doing graffiti or whatever. I'm just, while he's doing talent shows and winning,

I'm just, to get in the game for me, I wanted to be an engineer, producer, to be behind the scene and just, might give it back. But, you know, God ain't see it like that. He wrote my first rap for me. That's dope, that's crazy. That's like Prodigy and Avic.

I believe Avic wrote Prodigy's first rhyme. Did he? Yeah, they said it. That's dope That's great That's like Prodigy And um Avic I believe Avic wrote Prodigy's First rhyme Did he? Yeah They said it That's crazy Rapanoid Wrote my first rhyme

Rapanoid Wrote your first rhyme Noid Rapanoid I used to have I used to have All equipment in the crib So we used to

Record on my crib DJ Cockapoo It was fun It was fun That's how far we go back Mom deep No fun It was fun That's how far we go back Bob Deet and Oido It was fun That's crazy

But that's why I like y'all I like that story Because me and Slam It's like that We like little kids stories Yeah When you think about Boot Camp

Boot Camp is primarily Family And when you say faith It's crazy Because we really We some movie watching cats, too. So, like, one of our favorite movies is The Shining. And on The Shining, they talk about, like, communicating.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They talk about communicating without communicating. Communicating, like, almost like telepathically. So, it's times when, you know, I know your brothers probably experienced this too when you was like, damn, me and this cat

is so close that it's like we'll meet up in a place. We ain't talking nothing. We'll meet up in a place at the same time or we going somewhere or maybe we dressed alike.

Niggas don't think we was on the phone like on some Bobsy Twins shit but sometimes you just be your mind be on it. You be in it like it'd be it'd be creepy it'd be trippy but it's dope like yo this is not this is real when you start really buying into it's like yo this is real thank you this is real so it's like we we play those angles and then you got a big squad and you know at some

point you have a you have a hierarchy but then you have this big squad. And at some point, you have a hierarchy. But then you have this big brother, little brother democracy. And we really just learning on the job training. So whatever, we go out in the field, come back to the little hut, and we kicking it with the rest of the teammates. We sharing amongst the cast. There's no split up, no son and I'm going over here. Niggas is different.

They changed. So you watching the Cubs, they trying to, they taking it from you. Some of them going to get on with some rap. Some of them going to probably do some film stuff and pick up somewhere. Right. And,

you know, try to eat that food. And we got to add on to that. I think it's kind of that, that, uh, helped us out in the long run because even though we came from a big crew,

we didn't go sign with a dev jam and this one go sign with that label and this. We all kept it independent. It was dug down our own shit. And I think that carried some weight with us. That carried a lot of weight because we didn't have no cosign. Was your owners in Duck Down or had a piece of it?

No. We discussed it. Okay. We discussed it, but it was a roller coaster, man. You know what I mean? And in all honesty, you're watching cats like Drew

put in a lot of work. Right. A lot of work. You know, he could have jumped ship a long time ago. And he's probably learning at the same time. He doesn't know anybody. We always learn. In this book, y'all are learning.

On-job training. Right. How about a thing, man? He around other cats. You know, we've all been in the game for some time. So, you know, the Sharks, the Vultures, the culture Vultures for real. A lot of people, just like they're trying to get artists, they're trying to get Drew Hart, too. Yeah, of course.

Like, you know, Drew Drew you can just Come over here And you You know what I mean Why you with them Boot camp They're not even Chanting right now Like what's really good

You know what I'm saying But How about the masters Everyone is getting Their masters back After 25 years Is that something That you guys are

You keep lowering The amount of years 35 35 35 Next episode Is 10 years for you. No, no, no.

Honestly, it's always been 25. I'm negotiating right now on my 25, on my solo. But that's what Kane and Special Ed, they said 35. It's 35. They said 35. It's 35. It's the revision law. The revision law.

That's when I changed the numbers was because of Kane and Special Ed. It's because they said 35. I was always under the pressure of 25. Maybe it's my deal for my solo. I don't know. Remember, I'm a side of Capone and Noriega. The Noriega album is a separate thing. It's not under the Capone and Noriega thing.

I've always heard about Noriega. The number of 30. I don't know if that's accurate. I thought it was 32. We just started seeing Residuals off of The Shining. Wow. Get the fuck out of here. The first album.

The very first album. Just now seeing it. Just now. So I should put away this thing. And what was it? And who was this? You was your polygram? Nah, that was what?

Priority. Priority. I knew it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Priority? No, no, no, no. That one. No, The Shining?

Oh, no. Duck Down had a deal with Priority, though. That's not Priority? No, no. Your, no. That one right there. No, The Shining? Oh, no. Duck Down had a deal with Priority, though. That's not Priority? No, no. Your eyes can see there? You have glasses on. I can't see. That's Nervous Records.

This is Shining is Nervous. That's Nervous. Nervous Records? Yeah. Okay. Nervous Records was the first one, which was an independent, which was initially a dance label. Yeah, Nervous. The Jive or some shit like that. Nervous was a dance label? Yeah, Nervous. The Jive or some shit like that.

Nervous was a dance label. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Just like the label that... Was Pops Barry? No, his pop... That Rockefeller originally was on was a dance label too.

What was that label? Freeze. Freeze was a dance label too. Oh, yeah. No one cared about Freeze. Not related. And Tommy Boy was a dance label. Yes.

But he came from... His pops was running... His pops was running... Big pops was running, you know, Big Up to Mike Weiss, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, his father put him on. His pops was running the label. That's Nervous? Yeah.

Before it was Nervous, it was like My Sam or something like that. And his pops was doing, you know, label, record label shit, Big Red and all of that. You know what I mean? And he put his son on and his son was sticking to the program. Generation of wealth. So, you know, I think we probably was the first rap cast.

Black Moon kicked in the door for real and was like one of the first guys. And Flex was over there at the time, too. Flex came from the Mad Lions. That makes a lot of sense now. Did Flex have lug boots at that time no not yet no he was just and he put out all those vinyls channel live frank channel live all they do is a lot of dope releases actually yeah that was um and uh what's the other good like Like Volume 1? Not Frankie Colors? Frankie Knuckles or something like that? Frankie Colors?

Not Frankie Colors. No, no, yeah. Bobby Knuckles? No, no. Frankie Knuckles, the DJ. And there was a Brooklyn something that you could put out like DJ records. I forget, Brooklyn something. So we came in there on some hip hop vibe.

And, you know, when we had that situation with the gun company and with them renewing, we left them eventually. But the name was on hold. This is another reason why we had to switch it up, too. We couldn't use it. But after 25 years, we sat down with them and discussed how we could do it. The gun company? No, no, no. Oh.

The label. Oh, the label. Okay. I'm bugging. Yeah, yeah. Discuss how we can do it. The gun company? No, no, no. Oh, the label. Oh, the label. Okay, I'm bugging. Yeah, yeah, discuss how we can do things. That would be something else. We definitely got to, you know, knock that. A hell of a heap of money. Of course, man. But, yeah, it's good. Like, it's good to go, like, it's good to move on. Because, you know,

all that bitterness, that don't make for happy record things. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? That's real talk. So now, this is't make for a happy record. That's a good thing. Still here. You know what I mean? That's real talk. So now, this is something I always wanted to ask. Spanish Harlem. Yes. That record.

First off, I thought that that was honorable. Two brothers. You know, I'm half Puerto Rican. Yeah. So I always recognize, I love that. I love the fact that, you know, I'm both. I got the best black jokes and I got the best Spanish jokes. I got both. I got two of the racist and I got the best Spanish jokes. I got both.

I got two of the racist grandfathers. Both of them was racist. I got the best jokes. But one thing that I always used to hear on Spanish Harlem, by the way, rest in peace Hurricane Gene, right? Rest in peace Hurricane Gene. Rest in peace Hurricane Gene. And Tony touches on that?

Tony touches on that as well. Thanks. But I believe it's you. And you say, on the streets of Harlem, by the Grand Conquerors. Tony touches on that? Tony touches on that as well. Thanks. But I believe it's you. And you say, on the streets of Harlem, by the Grand Concourse. Those are not near each other, sir.

Yeah, no. Grand Concourse is the wrong... I always want to say, you've been waiting this whole time to correct him on that? Yo. I always wanted to be like, wait a minute. Why are you eating jello, bro?

Yo, you know I'm like Crazy nigga Yo he's super petty Super petty I always wanted to be like Wait a minute Yo Alright alright

I'll just say this right I'm a Brooklyn I'm a Brooklyn idiot right That let you know You was from Brooklyn Harlem is like Uptown Like

Bronx, Uptown I was like son That's not the same thing. Yeah, because at that time we used to say uptown. It's uptown. And to us, where it was up

was uptown. But you got to realize Harlem, Bronx, it was two different things. But Harlem is where you were in the Puerto Ricans mostly. Damn, that's racist. Jesus.

When you want to concourse, there's going to be a lot of DRs. There's going to be a DRs. Dominicans, yeah. Damn, that's racist. Jesus. When you want to concourse, there's going to be a lot of DRs. There's going to be a DRs. Dominicans, yeah. Yeah. You're probably copping something. You're probably doing something. It's not racist that you're right.

It's the fact that you're right. It doesn't make any sense, but it's true. No, I grew up around, I grew up in Brownsville. I grew up around Puerto Ricans. Like, I didn't even know the difference Puerto Rican, Dominican.

Other Latinos. I didn't know nothing about that. I was like, Puerto Ricans. I wanted to hang around Puerto Ricans. I thought they was cool as shit. Bushwick was some of the best Spanish food I ever had in my life. I thought you said the best Puerto Ricans you've ever had. The best Puerto Rican food, I was going to say.

You know what I mean? But I was going to say. But in general, because I had Dominican food in Bushwick as well. So I don't want to just label it Puerto Rican. Right. You know what I mean? So I had like, yeah. You had some mongrel.

I didn't know the difference, man. It's crazy. Because even you growing up around like even with black people you know what I'm saying you just a West Indian you know you in Flatbush

you got all kind of West Indians you got Haitians you like you don't even people don't even really repeat that yet you know what I'm saying

Bahamians but like even like that's why you gotta give thanks for hip hop too because it allows us to embrace that. Right.

Other than that, it's like we're just trying to keep it to ourselves. Like, you don't know, your culture represents you. Right. That shit is dope.

Right. That's kind of fly. I mean, that's why I love the fact that y'all even did that record because the fact is, one, I knew what y'all was doing

and I knew, like, you know um to to be like because it's a difference between and i'm sorry for my white people that's here like sometimes they say that white people was guessed in hip-hop and to a certain extent i understand what that means i understand what you mean but when you're looking at you know breaking and you're looking at all that this the pu was there, bro. They was bringing out the car wash. They was bringing out the spray paint. They was doing everything.

You know what I mean? That's real. I love the fact that y'all did that. Yeah. Spanish Harlem. We students of the game, man. So that's the beauty of us. So we appreciate it.

And Tone Touch was, like you said, on that with us. And he's Brooklyn. Yeah. He's a mixtape legend Shout out to his documentary Legendary DJ Tate And he got his documentary out I interviewed for it

I didn't make the cut You didn't make the cut Mixtape from Miami Wasn't represented But shout out to Uncle Luke shit That's the homie man You wasn't on it? Nah Y'all should've been on that That's a fact That's the homie, man.

You wasn't on it? Nah. Y'all should have been on that. That's a fact. That's a fact. Okay, so I don't feel that bad anymore. Yeah, see? But I still, shout out to Tony Touch

for making that documentary. That's big, man. Oh, God. I'm just changing up a little bit. On one time, right? You said, the herbs and the calisthenics keep me healthy.

You was on that since back then. Y'all been a calisthenic do a me healthy. You was on essence back then. You ever been a calisthenic do a body justice? Yo, I'm listening. I'm like, you knew better back then. Yeah, we was, again,

that's family. That's in you already. You wake up and you do, you see your dad is healthy, your brother's healthy. You want to be what you see. You want to imitate that. Is that coming from like being,

like Jamaican, Caribbean side? What does that come from? Bless, bless. I don't know. I'm not Jamaican and Caribbean. I mean, like being around, you know, I thought everybody from Brooklyn was Jamaican

at one point. No! At one point, the whole Brooklyn was Jamaican. The whole Brooklyn was Jamaican. Brody, shout out to Boston. Brody was everywhere. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't. I never liked the whole Brooklyn with Jamaican No it's another mercy Sorry sorry sorry I didn't mean that

That just comes from jumping off the stoop Early and what you see you want to Imitate and I have Strong men in my family Before it was the Streets it was family oriented. So doing push-ups and my moms was a minister, my pops was a

musician, so it's in the blood. Then me and with him, it was already workout. Me, I used to box, so it was a thing for me. That's why you got the Mike Tyson tattoo? Oh, shit got the Mike Tyson tattoo?

Oh shit Nah the Mike Tyson tattoo Actually came from a A dare Somebody know what it is You know what You know what Wait This came from a dare

My man Potato I think his son was turning like five So it was his Potato Potato Potato Yeah Podcast Potato Yeah exactly Fred Talks We don't know anything about what you guys are talking about turning like five so it was his potato potato potato yeah exactly his son was turning maybe five or seven so he had a party in a spot you know and it's the

adults and the kids but nobody is really fucking with each other. They like, I ain't fucking with them kids. And the kids like, so it was like, yo, you should get that face painter over there, you should let her put the Tyson tattoo shirt on. Wait man, you united the kids and the adults with a face tattoo? Yes, that's how I brought you and Tigger together. I'm serious.

I knew I brought you in this thing. That's how you break the generation gap. You know what I mean? So it was playful? It was water paint, whatever this shit was. But something about it. After the drinks was flowing in, they was like, yo, that shit ain't like everybody.

Like, yo, that shit fit you, yo should fit you you know and my was like oh god you might just go home yeah you got that nice my dumb ass like words like not that same night The next day I went and got it tested With henna though When I got henna The shit burnt Into my skin

What's henna? That's like It's like a temporary That's the word I mentioned And my dumbass Got it in the summer And it actually burnt Into my skin

So I was only supposed To leave the henna up there For like maybe a couple of days. Being that it burnt in, even when I washed it away, you still seen the... I was like, oh, nah. My mom's was like, look, dumbass.

You might as well go all the way now. So I went to the joint, got it. And I just did. I couldn't go the whole shit with it. What did Tyson say when he first saw you? He was like, we from the same tribe. Yo, I'm going to tell you.

You got it from the same tribe. That's an amazing story as to how you got that tattoo. That's an amazing story. I didn't know. I didn't know. I thought you were going to say, I went in, I got it. No, this is a whole different story. When I got this, we was... it wasn't like it is now, a whole bunch of rappers with no face.

No, no, it wasn't at all. Yeah, yeah. No, it wasn't. Right. So this ain't nothing that was, it still had its meaning to me. Yeah. It's still a warrior shit like the Predator. It's very tribal.

Yeah. Right. But yeah, that's the way it came from. It's very tribal. Yeah. That's the way it came from. That's crazy. So on one time, you spoke about the calisthenics, you spoke about being healthy, but this is something I always wanted to ask you too. Ask both

of y'all too. Is that the carest one sample of you out of here? Do you ever think about when you're out of here? Is that the same beat Or I've been bugging for years Yeah one time One time I don't think it was out yet

Out of here Nah out of here Okay Nah it wasn't out yet So did you tell me K.R.S. one simple job Cause at the end That's out of here beat

Out of here I wasn't out of here Out of here wasn't out I don't think so So did you and K.R.S to call my lifeline, Mr. Walt. It's on a one-time record. Get Mr. Walt on the phone over here. Walt could clear that one up.

Walt would definitely know. He could tell you what city he got the record from, where he found it. The timeline, I don't know. I don't know. So we came year after. Oh, so then it could have been. Possible. Possible.

Could be the same sound. It's possible. Yeah. Hip-hop, man. They was chopping and doing possible. Yeah. Hip hop, man. You know, back then it wasn't they was chopping and doing everything to hide samples. It wasn't clear or nothing.

Hip hop, man. If you hear it, you hear it. Other than that, it's like, yeah, let's go. There's a lot of that going on, I guess. I never even put that together and out of here is my shit, too. Did you ever think about when you're out of here?

That's incredible. One of my favorite KRS joints is Love's Gonna Get You. Love's Gonna Get You. He spoke on that. It was like, hey. Love's Gonna Get You, 9mm. Wa-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yo.

Wa-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yo. Come? Yo. Come on, man. I had my kids singing this song in the car like 10 years ago. That's it. That's all they do. You sing it? It's the same break beat. I'm on point, man.

I'm on point, man. I ain't lie to you. For years This is not new questions Oh shit We was talking about It's like yo This

Man Nori brain Is It's a retarded Crazy Don't break Yes yes thank you You have a hip hop Historian brain

Yes yes I'm a resource room I'm a resource room Yes yes And that sound Went along That's incredible man You progressing And alive And I'm a resource room I'm a resource room Yes And that's That's incredible man You're progressing And I'm like

Alright we see what it is And you know what it is Like Because you know I got a relationship With you brothers And you know what I mean Like I look at y'all

Brothers like family But the thing is I don't want to ever That to ever come in the way Of me being a fan Nah nah You know what I'm saying Because

You know what I mean Like I really thought about this I know I'm jumping off the subject But I looked at I kept looking at K. No, no. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know what I mean? Like, I really thought about this. I know I'm jumping off the subject. But I kept looking at KRS-One the other day, right? And I was like, yo, if you take hip-hop out of KRS-One, I won't even know who this person is. Yeah. Just think about that.

Like, the way KRS-One is hip-hop, like, I don't even think he could, I don't think he could do anything without hip-hop. it and then when I thought about him I thought about all of us yeah yeah I was like yo Karras might be like a funny dude without hip-hop like he might be a weirdo right and then is like life changing for all of us, a lot of us. Nah, but that could potentially be like an incredible skit. No, no, I want to do a movie. An incredible movie for Revolt.

I want to do a Who's the Man movie. Remember how Who's the Man, everyone was in it? But everyone in it as the person that you would be without drugs and without hip hop. A sober movie? No, what I mean, because that's everyone's cliche. Everyone's cliche is, if I wasn't a rapper, I'd be selling drugs. A lot of y'all are lying. A lot of y'all are working at Best Buy.

You know what I'm saying? And there's nothing wrong with that. A lot of us would be Uber drivers. Okay? The fuck? You know what I mean? Ain't nothing wrong with that. A lot of us would be Uber drivers. Okay? The fuck? You know what I mean? Ain't nothing wrong with that. You know what I mean?

You'll be doing that shit. You know what I mean? You'll be telemarketing. You know what I'm saying? I was looking. I was thinking. I was like, listen. Let's picture Busta Rhymes without hip hop.

Picture Ian Favre without hip hop. And you know what I mean? I don't think none of us would be the same person we are but that's the funny thing about the movie is we gotta make up who that person we be the same people in an awkward different situation that's like a multiverse

that shit is genius though I'm glad I got that break beat that shit been bothering me forever yo the James Brown James Brown I'm glad I got that break beat That shit been bothering me forever What break beat? The James Brown Oh I was about to join Yeah And let's talk about Wipe Your Mouth

Oh snap Let's talk about that For a second How the fuck did y'all come up with that? What disrespectful shit Was y'all on? What kind of What kind of bubble gum

Was y'all chewing that day And just said I'm going to be disrespectful On this record Best stop man Best stop We hanging out at Best Stop What kind of bubble gum was y'all chewing that day? You just said, I'm going to be disrespectful on this record. Best stop, man. Best stop. We're hanging out at Best Stop.

They cried and they never been a form of transportation. Right, exactly. Exactly. Hanging out at Revoid Projects. Rambo, rest in peace. Salute the big old pimp. You know what I mean? Didn't Best Stop and Brownsville have problems at that time?

Yeah. That's what makes our relationship. Right. That's what makes me involved with these guys. Us getting together was at a time when Brownsville

was at war with Best Eye. But it was still certain niggas that fucked with each other. Wow. From the style, from the feel,

like Roll Roll, the family, all these niggas was still rocking with each other because once you know who you are, like you said, you gotta find your tribe.

That street shit had shit hectic, though. It was sketchy. Your passport had to be right because as soon as you go up that hill, pass a certain line, it get different. It's a lot go up the hill, pass a certain line, it gets different. It's a lot of y'all, right? You hear the stories

of Ghostface and Ray's neighborhood going crazy at each other. Did y'all, the other members ever have it? Absolutely not. We carry ourselves differently, man. We lucky. We're not just exempt.

Right. But again, we ran with D-Set. That was like, you really didn't know where these guys would pop out, what hole or alleyway. Right. But we was in. We was pretty much in. And D-Set was them things back then.

That was all of Brooklyn? They were a gang for all of Brooklyn? Nah, but they was huge. Bigger than Brooklyn? No. Bigger than Brooklyn? I'm saying, no, he's saying they were huge. I mean, were there D-Seps outside of Brooklyn?

Yeah. D-Seps in Miami, man, really. Yeah, it's definitely some D-Seps in Miami. D-Seps worldwide. Some D-Seps in Hawaii, man. Lowlights comes from in London. Lowlights, it's. Some D-Saps in Hawaii, man. Lowlights comes from that. Lowlights comes from the D-Saps. Lowlights. It's some, you know, those is like, it's crazy because we came up together.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Shout out Thurston Howell. Shout out to my man Vic. Original Lowlights when they used to run in the store and get busy. B-Bob. You know what I'm saying? Right.

Yeah, Bob Lowe. All of Pumpkin, rest in peace. But yeah, a lot of people would like to say rivalries, but we grew up with them. A lot of them cats grew up in Brownsville. That's where I'm from. So these are stomping grounds. Me and Tech really went around neighborhoods.

It wasn't those guys that stayed in your designated spot. We was adventurous. We was doing shit that we couldn't tell our parents when we got back. My moms didn't have a clue about a lot of stuff. So it's like, man, what? My moms didn't know I was deceptive until like last

year. I forgot somebody was running their mouth or something and she's like, what? She was looking at me. you know when you can feel somebody looking at you I had no idea I'm like come on man

that's it it's crazy though my pops used to be my pops you know my pops old school he ain't even old school

but to you we old school and he used to call he was like yo Duke Duke and I'm like yo you can't say

Duke in Brownsville we say Duke in Brownsville. We say son in Brownsville. Why, Duke is violation? Duke is violation. You would get beat up for that. Back in the day, you would get beat up. A Brownsville nigga saying son. It was petty, but it's like it was, you survived through the petty shit.

You got past it. It's not like a cigarette. It's not like a cigarette. It's interesting when you go now, cats is getting their head knocked off of colors and hats and things of that nature. But it was always a battleground, man. You know what I'm saying? We came up in that shit.

Let me ask you. Aliens come down. They already came down. They here. According to some people they like yeah you walk in the barclays they came down or came up from the ocean which one there's that side of it they came from both yeah they came and then they step to you and they say listen i want one album to teach me human behavior hip-hop album let's keep it hip-hop one hip-hop album what are you giving

human behavior oh whatever just just what hip-hop album would you give them you want to get one one to represent humanity yeah hip-hop at least hip-hop humanity Wowzers I know what I would say What you would say? CNN We teach them everything The war report? We teach them to call a war report They know what?

They're going to start attacking us Going, yeah, duh Yeah, you're going to get niggas fighting You fucked us up, man I don't want you representing humanity They'll be like, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang I don't want you representing humanity It's a couple of different avenues you could go I might even say Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

Miseducation of Lauryn Hill That's a good one That is a good one Us dumbass men are not thinking that You know Lauryn only got one album Well I mean if you're not counting the fujis yeah yeah yeah that's why i said lauren i didn't say the fujis i mean but but you should count that because she carried those albums as well yeah but it's not a lauren album it's a fuji album i'm just saying she's a big part of those albums uh-huh yeah album. It's difficult, man.

I think I would have to take a drink on that. Okay. We're not drinking on this one. We're not drinking, but we respect that guy. We're not drinking, but we respect that guy. How about you? The aliens come down. He's like, you can drink it.

I can drink it. I would take it. We're going to have a shot. First round on me. No, I think. Okay, you said the War Report. The War Report. He's taking us to war.

Okay. What would you say? Damn, man. I'm going to go with the first Tribe album. I'm trying to get them mellow with us, man. That was a good point. I wanted to be like,

I lost my wallet in El Segundo 2. I was thinking something from Native Tongue, right? Because I'm thinking like... Not criminal minded. Not criminal minded, but it's like we was talking the other day. He has this song. I don't know what album it is. Love.

Love's Gonna Get Ya. What album is that on? That was on... You talking about BDP? Love's Gonna Get Ya. That's on... Love's Gonna Get Ya Like what album is that on? That was on You talking about BDP? Love's Gonna Get Ya That's on Love's Gonna Get Ya BDP?

It would be It would be And you know I mean And I only say that Because it's something that's like It gotta be well rounded man You gotta tell them about the hood

You gotta tell them about the dangers You gotta explain everything You gotta give them some food Food for thought You gotta let them enjoy themselves You know what I mean Like don't scare them But I think Illmatic does that really well

Like you said Yeah Illmatic is Illmatic is Illmatic is very intimidating You think? Yeah man It come on It come on lit

When you come on with that first I don't know I think the aliens will be When it come on It's like a ring dance thing You hear that? You know what I'm saying to mine? it come on it's very it's very hypnotic when you start pulling texts

out the dresses and all that when you start getting to like it's just a nigga but you but you drop in gyms though

you letting them know yeah it's dangerous but you know I'm doing it with my finger on the trigger. Right, but you dropping gems, though. You letting them know, yeah, it's dangerous, but, you know, I'm going through this. All right. But, yeah, man. I think we just have to give them a mixtape. Nah, this is... I was going to say a song. I was going to say a clue tape.

I swear to God. I was going to say a two-CD compilation. We got to give them a mixtape, man. A little bit of everything. The basic instructions before leaving Earth. There you go. Now, let's give them 50 MCs, Tony Touch. No.

Nah, you're going to need to get the full meal, right? You could pick songs. That would be interesting. But, you know if you can albums would cause there's some I guess the album would have to be a no skipper right

you can't it has to be a no skipper a no skipper shit it's representing humanity yeah so if they skip we fucked yeah

what is this bullshit what is this bullshit that one they skip gonna be it they must die they're not worthy damn so I asked Kane I asked Kane the other day going to be it. They must die. They're not worthy. Damn.

So I asked Kane the other day and I was like, I was like, yo, you know, like, some of your lyrics, like, you couldn't have

got away with it. Different times. Different times. You know, there was a specific lyric that we heard before you got here. I'm not going to mention it now.

I mentioned one. No, no, we didn't mention I'm not going to mention it now I mentioned one No no we didn't mention The one Which one No I'm not mentioning it Alright bro I mentioned one for Kane And he said

He said damn I wouldn't have been able To get it So I'm going to say it And y'all tell me If y'all have one Of y'all own lyrics Kane said

He said I think I'm Eight to eighty Blind crippled and crazy Yeah yeah He would have got it With that one Why you got it You got to repeat that again. That shit's a horrible line. 8 to 80?

All right, but stop repeating it. This shit is on it. It's it. That's it. It's history now. And listen, I love, Cade is my, I love, that's my old man. He owned up on it. It's it. That's it. It's history now. And listen, I love, Kate is my, I love, that's my old friend.

He owned up to it. Only one record I hate and it's I Get the Job Done. And that's, that is from that same, I work. Work, that's from the same job. It's the same joint.

It's the same joint. So I analyze that way too much. Nah, man. But is there any lyrics that you had from back then that you was like, man, you listen to now and be like, man, I got a couple. Ooh.

I'll listen to my stuff and be like, wait a minute. Absolutely. Absolutely. I can't think of none specific personally, but I listen to some shit and I'm like, damn. Like, you know, it'd be lines where you use lines or you use a word a lot. You find yourself using words like, we had a meeting in the studio one time. It was like, yo, we

start putting words that you can't use. Wow. Can you imagine that? That's like, yeah, man, it was difficult. But you start seeing the pattern. It was like, oh shit, you got to start spouting your vocabulary a little bit. You start sounding, you got to start spouting your vocabulary a little bit. Like, you start sounding, you got these crews, you start sounding

like Black Moon, OGC starts sounding like Helter Skelter, like that's whack. You're going to be rinsed after that. And it's a good challenge, man. Or just read some books. Like Sean Price would say, read some books. You need scholastic packs, man. Niggas need to, can't be afraid

of knowledge, man. You got to get smart, man. It's going to help you. Thank me later. You know what I'm saying? Later, word. Sorry to bounce around. You know how unique Sean Price was? What Sean, man?

I invited him to come see me in my hood, right? And I told him it's a barbecue. So he came, but he was like, I'm on Ramadan, Carl. He came to a barbecue. He came to a barbecue on Ramadan with a Gatorade. First of all, none of this goes together. None of this. None of this.

You being on Ramadan, coming to see me in the barbecue. I was clear it was a barbecue. That lets you know how unique he was. I was like, yo, I could never imitate this moment right here. Like, damn. When Emmett was, what you see is what you get. And he could be

smiling with you, but be dead serious at the same time. He wasn't afraid to tell you what was on his mind and why it was on his mind. It ain't really too much you could do about it after that. Yeah. Like, I used to hang out with this kid, and I'm not going to say his name, but he knows who he is.

And I used to tell him, I used to say, yo, man, every rapper is talking about Rosé. Every rapper is talking about fucking drinking Ace of Spades. Every rapper is talking about, and this kid couldn't even buy a bag of weed. And I was like, why don't you just embrace that? Embrace the fact that- The brokest rapper ever. The brokest rapper ever. And when, like, Sean Price did it,

but you know that he had opportunities and places that other people didn't. I always told this artist, I was like, yo, do this from the beginning. Right, right. You know what I mean? Like, do you think people should live their truths like that?

Keep it in the heart you have it made. Once you recognize who you are in the mirror, it's going to make your life easier to live with and deal with. And I think that's hip-hop. Authenticity to me is genuinely to be hip-hop. But just because that's where you start at, that don't

mean where you're going to end up. You're going to start there and eventually what you want or speaking into existing is going to come along your path, but you have to start where you're at. You can't just, you ain't waking

up and unless a brink truck falling in front of your crib turning over you, other than that, you got to accept who you are and walk that way. Yeah, and it's no rule that says hip hop has to talk about opulence. You know, like it's a creative tool. Like it's a tool that's used for expression. However you express it. Yeah, like we had, we listened to Da Ha Da Ha. Remember that?

Da Ha Da, what is that? Manny Mel put in his Disney record yesterday against Eminem. It was in there, dog. I don't know how. Holy shit. Manny Mel went there. That nigga went there. I don't know how

I mean that's just let's end it let's do the record MF Zoom he created a whole persona I mean Sean P kind of did that

himself as well that's real definitely so I mean it doesn't work for everybody now what's real is that you got some sharks

out here like you got dudes like Common or Black Thought like these guys Can put some words together And meaningful words You know what I mean

You got a guy like 3000 Who was like One of Clearly Arguably One of the top guys You can't even put him On the list

No you gotta take him When the aliens come Bring Andre Yeah we good Andre talk to him He'll be there And Rob We good We good Talk to this. We good. We good. And Rob, we good.

We good. We good. We good. We good. We good. We good. We good. We good. We good.

We good. We good. We good. Andre's so cool. He's like, he ain't eyeing his clothes in seven years. And none of us said nothing. It's okay. None of us said nothing.

Because that's what it means. He's living in his truth. Yeah, yeah. Word up. A hundred percent. He's like, he's sweet under the bed. Yeah. Like, and nobody cares.

Like, nobody cares. He's an artiste. I like that. I like that for him, Pop. Yeah. And nobody cares. Like, nobody cares. He's an artiste. I like that. I like that for him, Pop. Nah, it's dope. I like the creative aspect, and I like the journey, too. I like the journey, because sometimes when you're talking too real, it seems fake. Right.

It's like you're putting on the show, and you're doing it, and it's like you're an AI, but you're a real nigga. I don't get it. I don't go together for me right so like for me sean price showed me another side of being honest you know like so so so so it's like how do you deal with your pride be honest right you know what i mean it's not really like that for me and it's not bad like Growing up in the ghetto, we thought we was poor,

but you eating every day. Some of us, you know what I'm saying? I grew up with both of my parents, my mom's and my pa. It was, it was, it was,

it was, it was, that's rich. Yeah, that's rich, yes. That's valuable. That's wealthy. It was crazy. It was crazy in the crib.

Behind them doors, it was showtime. But you ain't appreciated it until later. Yeah, it seemed like it was showtime. But you ain't appreciated until later. Yeah, but it seemed like it was live. You don't know anything until later. That's life. Nigga, I'm looking at photographs. I see pictures.

I had stuff. I ain't had a showtoe Adidas, but I had the other ones. You know what I'm saying? With the five stripes and shit? No, hell no. The bobo? You had the bobo? I had the soft toes. The soft toes. I had the bobos? I had the soft toes.

The soft toes. I had them since I was on favor. I remember. I remember. Yeah, the favor joints. It took me a minute. That's old school. You got to appreciate that, man.

I don't know. You got to think about it. Shit, man. We influenced by guys like Rakim that really was teaching us. He said, thinking of a master plan ain't nothing but sweat inside. That's wild. That's crazy.

That he wasn't cursing. It was hypnotic. You didn't pay attention. You ain't even cared for it. No. You didn't miss it. That's it. You didn't miss it.

Exactly. So he was telling the journey of every little kid that went outside that ain't had no bread. What I'm going to do today? You know what I'm saying? You kicking rocks, kicking cans. You might get into some trouble around it. As soon as you bend that left, you see thunder and I'm over there. You're like, oh, man.

Should I go over there or should I go to the sand park? You know? I don't know where to go. You know what I mean? You adventurer. You know which way you want to go. park. You know, so. I don't know where to go. Yeah, man. You want to, you an adventurer. You know which way you want to go. Right. You know. Before we get out of here, though, because I know we're going to get out.

We got one more. I want to get one thing off is that thank y'all for being on my 2015 album. Oh, man. Yo, we in the gold joint, too. When it goes back to mixtapes, just doing mixtapes, they always showed up, like you guys did as well. Y'all always showed up. And then when it came to my doing my first album, my mixtapes they always showed up like you guys did as well right y'all always showed up and then when it came to my doing my first album my studio album y'all showed up

and Sean P showed up yes and I actually wanted to do the video and then he passed shortly you know after recording the record that he did for me so thank y'all man appreciate y'all thank you thank you so we're all a part of like two-man groups, right? Yeah. And the back and forth. Who do y'all think in a two-man group, who is the ultimate back and forth? Two-man when they're going back and forth. But let's talk about in and out. You know what I'm saying? Aside from us.

I mean, y'all can say y'all. Yeah, us, man. Yeah. Us, man. I mean, aside from us. I like that answer, in fact. Aside from us, it would be like EPMD. Challenge!

No. Oh, damn. Oh, EPMD us it would be like EPMD challenge nah oh damn oh EPMD I ain't think about something he said fuck we actually said in the studio and that was

when you say the torturous hand it down it was like damn they were like literally here you go

so it would definitely be EPMD you say one word damn okay and then you reinvent styles because then you have

y'all and then MOP came with it crazy with it you know wow the energy just hike it up I mean

true say Run DMC had a Run DMC come on oh man we fucking up I ain't gonna lie

I don't think Run was going in and out it was the beginning of that it was that one. No, but they wasn't. I ain't going to lie. I don't think Run was going in and out. No, it was the beginning of that. It was the beginning. They was going eight and eight, though, boy. You know what I mean? They was doing it.

They was doing it. No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying in and out is we're having the same conversation. Yeah, that one line. I'm saying, what's up? And he's saying, I'm here. You know what I mean? You're getting very specific with it.

That's why we weren't supposed to be in this conversation. We were supposed to DJ your way out. I got you with that one. This guy, he love that one, man. Yeah. No, but you know what I'm trying to say. It would be EPMD, Smith & Wesson, LOX. Yeah.

No disrespect, LOX, I don't see the back and forth with them really like that, man. I mean, they gladiators, man. So when they do the back and forth to me... You saying you like them better individually as opposed to them going, okay. I can see that. I like the different you, back and forth. One don't sound like the other. But Das was killing shit, too.

Das, damn. Das was fast. I don't think they get Enough perspective They should now Today Right They were hella dope

50 especially Right Damn We need Das FX on Drink Channel Yes Yeah But I'm going to agree with y'all On the In-N-Out

On the In-N-Out I actually Believe that You know Because Me just listening to The Camaraderie Camaraderie Camaraderie Always I'm listening to the camaraderie camaraderie

always, I'm listening to it and it's like I know the difference in the voice patterns, but it still takes me a minute to be like, alright, which means that y'all clapped. The difference between me and Pone, Pone's voice is so much deeper than mine's or mine's so much deeper than his. And his is like a little, like, you know what I mean?

So you... You big them up, you diss them at the same time. No, no, no, no, that wasn't a diss I was like cuz it's like almost raspy like scratch yeah yeah almost like how like if you mob deep is pretty much the same but you gotta get in once you're right so I think the fire piece was some voice tone days but it's like sometimes this shit is high, sometimes my shit is deep. All right. Depending on the joint, though, right? Yeah, depending on how you approach the record.

Yeah. Yeah, nah, I be hearing some joints. It's like, damn, that shit kind of came out pretty good. All right. But then also, you got to think, we spent some time in the dugout watching Black Boom. And although it's a group, it's three men, one of the men is a lead. He's the lead of the group. He's doing primarily all of the hits, all of the songs.

Buckshot is doing all the hits, right? So we're sitting there going, damn, how do we come in different? Like balance? What's our angle? Speak out to? Yeah, what's our angle? We just going to come and rap and rap? Like, that's kind of corny.

So we sitting there all this time. We get to formulate how we're going to do it. So our next up is to come like, boom. So I think the first song was Black Smith & Wesson on Black Moon album. Yeah. All right, Black Smith & Wesson, we had to just shoot. We just had to shoot, right? Boom.

But then it's like, you know, you the man. So being a group, we always get like, shit like one nigga. Right. Take it still, y'all got 12 bars together. Right. Everybody else get, you know what I mean? They get the bust, but we always had to share our bars. That was the same way like the D&D All-Star.

The D&D All-Star, one, two, and pass it. That was a dope record. That was. That was a dope record. That was incredible. That was incredible to be a part of. You know what I'm saying? So that's how you developed it?

When you were in short verses and they're saying you got to share? That was one thing that helped us to develop it. Sitting there and just like... You had to make it work. You had to make it work. You're thinking like, because I wasn't even rapping,

so it was... Right. I just got to feed off of it. I can't believe that part, that you wasn't rapping at all? No, we wrote my very first rap. I wasn't thinking about rap at all. We was fans, man.

He's like Eazy-E. We did. But we was so much in the culture, right? We went to school with Craig G. Wow. Oh, yeah. Brooklyn got all up in my high school. Everybody from Brooklyn Went to school

Y'all school What the fuck is wrong With y'all school Every water school Was star In Brooklyn We went to Our high school

Was in graphic art Printing in Hell's Kitchen Oh okay In the city So yeah That's where Craig G Gemini the gifted one Whoa

Rakim would come through Cyclones We would see everybody Lowlifes Rakim went to school He didn't would see everybody Lowlifes He said Rakim Went through school He didn't go to the school He just came through

He would pull up With the The bins With the big hammers On it The gold joints Sit right in front Of the joints

Eight chains on it He's like Man And for Brooklyn It was like DOS FX Would pull up Pull up big b benches in the park and jump out and play basketball. Brooklyn, right?

One of them is Brooklyn, I believe. Jersey. The other one was Jersey? Jersey. Right. Yeah. What you said is Jersey and Brooklyn. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. They always had love. Yeah. Salute to Jersey, man. Show us love. That's like BQE, Brooklyn Queens. The first place you get to when you come over to Jersey is in Brooklyn. When we was in California with Pac, I was getting calls from, my man was in

Broadway in Jersey in the prison. He was like, I heard y'all out there with the big homie. I'm like, how the fuck y'all niggas know? Ain't no internet, ain't no. Wow. Nah, but it's like news travel. We came from an era where news traveled. We don't know how it got there.

But news would travel. So you know niggas in prison get the news before the streets. I don't know how that go. Y'all ever passed out on the beat that y'all regretted? Like someone ever gave y'all... I don't think so, because we don't complain. Whatever you put in front of us, we're going to dismantle. We're going to do what we do to it. We munch, man.

We are called special teams. We're the special teams of the boot camp clique. Track Masters gave me, Jigga, Jigga, that thing of Jigga. It was Nori, Nori, that thing of Nori. I was like, ah. Nah. When Jay got that shit, I was like, nah. When Jay got that shit, I was like, fuck y'all. See?

That was mine. Nah, that wouldn't have fit you, though. Yeah, Jack's from there. Nah, but you know what? Especially not that era. There is, like, when your man Pharrell came on the scene, it was a time when Fab Five was working on an album, and I think he gave them...

Pharrell gave y'all something? Yeah. This is early Pharrell, so nobody know what something was really. Yeah, on a tight shirt, you couldn't understand. And this is when niggas were giving niggas cassettes. Oh, yeah. So I forgot what beat it was.

I think it was a beat that came out later on. It was used by Khalees. Khalees single. Ah, hate you so much right now. It was that beat. But it was just that plain. Is this before Super Thug? Yeah.

Because he was doing rounds. Yeah, no, no, no, no. My homie in Slip N Slide Records said he met. That style right there. That Super Thug shit is incredible. So, oh, my gosh. MC Lyce says she had that before me, too. Had what? Super Thug shit is incredible. Oh my gosh. MC Lyte said she had that for me too.

Had what? Super Thug? She had the beat. Not the intro and not the hook. And what's her name? You should do a remix now with MC Lyte

just for the fuck of it. Phantom. Phantom of the Beats gave us yeah, Phantom of the Beats from Cellar Dwellers. No, not Cellar Dwellers from Blue Cheese. Shutats From Cellar Dwellers No not Cellar Dwellers From Blue Cheese

Shout out Cellar Dwellers UNC Shout out the Dwellers too But he gave us I don't know what we was working on Yeah But he gave us Magic Stick

That's 50 joint? Yeah He gave us Magic Stick Nah Phantom Me and Nori had Lil Wayne and T-Pain joint, Get Money. Oh, yeah. Whoa. Shit.

Remember? We switched it. We did the joint with Shorty Low because what's the name? Player Skills gave it to us. Whoa. I'll tell you one thing, though. Hanging out with Pac. Motherfucker.

Pac is a beast. And it's crazy because you got to think, yes, he was very young. Right. What we were saying. But in the studio, when we was out there with him, he's like, yo, who got beats? Anybody could have had beats at that time. You never know. He might have changed it later on, but you didn't know at the time that he was stacking up.

He was stacking up shit. No, it's like he knew what was going to happen. Everyone say he worked like he knew he was gonna go. Yeah. This guy have 150, 300 songs after. So when we got back from dealing with this cat,

I got a job at Duck Down as an A&R. It was a short gig. You didn't like having that job? I loved it. I enjoyed it. I. It was a short, short gig. Well, you didn't like having that job? I loved it. I enjoyed it. I think I was power tripping though.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, you was firing niggas? Yeah, I was firing niggas. I was like, yeah, what up?

Kicking niggas lawyers out there. They're like, yo, still, come on, man. But, you know,

it's all for the, it's all for the, for the, for the family. But, you know, we, we had a,

like, I had an opportunity, I was taking meetings with producers and I was like buying a lot of beats and niggas were like, yo, fam,

we don't need all those beats. Like, let me get those five beats, bro. Like, we got Mavericks. We got Mavericks.

Because you're thinking about what you're doing with Pog grabbing a bunch of beats. It just makes sense. How you feel today? I don't know what we're going toog, grabbing a bunch of beats. Yeah, it just makes sense. Yo, how you feel today? I don't know what we're going to make when we go on the spot. Like, come on, man.

Now we got a part where we can pick and choose like that. It ain't like when we got an hour, we just got to make it happen. We got to the gates. It's like, yo, what we working on? We in here until tomorrow. Even in the studio, an hour is different today than an hour was back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nigga, now a record's starting an hour is different today than an hour was back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I reckon it's under an hour.

That's a fact. You're going in straight work. Now it's like, all right, hold on, let me go smoke something. Yeah, man. So the last question, right? Both of y'all together as a team, y'all get to write one rhyme for one person. Anybody you want to be. Ghost right for someone?

Ghost right for one person, anybody you want it to be, who would it be? Ghost right for someone. You get paid all the money you want in the world. That ain't really fair.

The world to know or not is on you. Who would you pick? I don't know. That ain't even a fair question. Damn. In hip-hop? It could be whoever. A live, dead,

they gotta be alive. As broad as it could be. Dead or alive, whoever. A rap. A rap. Damn. A record. A record. It gotta be two people

because they gotta go in and out. Ooh, I didn't think of that. You made my question even better. Two people. Nah, you made it worse, man. You made it more difficult for them. No, you pick one. You pick Ray.

It gotta go in and out. Damn, bro. Rap. Shit. I need to call my lifeline. Damn. Damn. And it has to be for this day and age.

No, no. If they're prime. Yeah, they're prime. It could be anybody. Anybody from any given moment in history. Damn. You want it to be Ike and Tina Turner? Yeah, it could be that.

Nah, because for me, boom, being G-Rap is my favorite rapper. If I could have wrote something for G-Rap to hear the list over that, then... Your lyrics? Yeah, but you're violating what you just said. It has to be two people. I just said that. That's what I said. Okay. I was making it easy for you. That's kind of impossible, man.

Yeah, because you got to find a duo. Don't do the duo thing. Don't do the duo. Do an individual, please. You could do G-Rap, and then who would you have? Yeah, because you got to find a duo. Don't do the duo thing. Don't do the duo. Do an individual, please. You can do G-Rap, and then who would you have? See, I'm kind of like a... Damn, I could do Prince. I'm kind of like a nerd, right? It's like, I don't really...

I respect the ghostwriters, but I don't really believe in that shit. Yeah, but this is hypothetically. You can just write for anybody in the world, anybody, whether they're dead or alive. And nobody cares about Ghostbusters. And this metaverse. If I could, if I...

What if Marvin Gaye put a melody of it, though? With a riff. Oh, nah, this would be ill. It's, um... Okay, let's keep... All right, we're going to simplify. We're going to simplify.

I got two. I got two. And this is the politically correct shit. Okay, get your shot. Because I was going to go on some Bob Marley shit, Gil Scott, Heron. I think Bob Marley would have been perfect. Yeah, that's what I want. That's my initial. That's the first thing that came to my mind. That's perfect. Gil Scott, Heron. I think Bob Marley would have been perfect. Yeah. That's what I want. That's my initial.

That's the first thing that came to my mind. That's perfect. Gil Scott Heron. Yeah. Yeah, Gil Scott Heron. He going deep. Gil would find

some comments on that, right? What? Woo. Yeah. I like what you're mining. But then I'm like, damn, what would be the illest thing

conceptually to do is the ghost right for my son. My son want to get into the game. He think he want to get into the game. But what stories does a child has? If he ain't talking about opulence, if he ain't talking about the things they have, the chicks or whatever. What age is your son at this point that you're right for? My son right now is 25 years old. Okay.

Right? So, but he grew up in Queens. He had a backyard and a front yard. Good. You know what I'm saying? There wasn't no D-Sep coming up to the school. He ain't coming from the trenches. He wasn't in the trenches.

He was born in Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying? But other than that, what's the story? Right. What you talking about? It would be interesting. I like when Styles and his son did that project. I was like, ooh, I want to do that.

That's like, that's the broadest. That'd be like a younger you. You talking to a younger you. Without stepping on toes. Yeah. You talking to a younger you. Yeah, like without stepping on toes, like without. Yeah, you know. How could you put that together? B, if it's me and Capone, I want Lionel Richie. Oh.

And who? And Lionel Richie? Oh, I forgot who was the other one. Smokey Robinson. Ooh. Who's Smokey and who's Lionel? Doesn't matter. They both cold, man. And then, of course, MJ

and Prince. I want them to do Bang Bang over. That seems a little weird though. No, fuck that. Let them do phone time over. Let them do phone time over, yo, son. Bang Bang and stuff. That's some jail shit.

That's going to be hard. Anywhere in the service. Yeah, anywhere in the service. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit.

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That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some jail shit. That's some, bro. That's more than me. That's kind of him, though. That's a ring of shit, though. That's fabulous. He's about to be fucked up. I always wanted to do that as a record.

I always wanted to do like, I write your rhyme, you write mine. As a record. Y'all never did that? Nah, nah. You never wrote his rhyme, he wrote yours? No, as a record. I don't know how to write like him. Yeah.

No, but I always wanted to do that As a record But I wouldn't write as me No it's different But you gotta listen I wouldn't write as me I would have I would want to write as him

I'm saying that That's what I always So next we join y'all dude Like let's Let's vote us Us Like we sit there And I say

I'm going to write yours And you write mine But you're not writing for you You're writing for me And then we tell the people Look he wrote my shit, I wrote my shit. You know what I mean? Always to bug out.

This wasn't no Ghostwriter shit. We sat here and we did it. We've done every way to write. Everybody, all partners done, yo, yo, chicken, I wrote this shit. Just say that shit right there. It's going to fit.

I don't give a fuck who group you are. You took some of your partner shit, your partner. Hell yeah, hell yeah. Like, that's just the best thing about blessing about being a group. Yeah. No ghost writing, no, none of that shit don't count. Right, right. Put that shit aside, man.

We all working towards the goal of making some fly shit and put that out in the universe. And that's like, but it's like when you go from the analog to the goal to make some fly shit and put that out in the universe. And that's like, but it's like when you go from the analog to the digital and when you think about like, I Love You song,

we was in the studio where... I Love You to my Mary's song. Yeah, yeah, the Mary joint. You know, the piano chairs,

the one seaters. I've been calling that shit I Shine Forever. I Shine, that's what everybody calls it. That's what everybody calls it that's what everybody calls it that's what everybody calls it

that shit took us a half an hour looking for that shit we was like I shine I was looking at it it's I shine go look for that

it's new I shine yes it is I suck it all summer I know but you forced into that into that that setting

where it's like, yo, you got one book, right? And we sitting there facing each other. You know, you in this cell of sorts

and you have to go, yo, boom, here's a one line here. Here. Here. Boom. Or you might get hot you might write three you know right so you cover that one I'm gonna cover this here put that finish finish the balls I'm gonna go roll a split you know it's like yo it feels magical then

when you see that shit is like seamless hmm you know it's like okay it ain't or something somebody just write a whole he might just get hot and be like, yo, I got 12. Just put like four to that. Yeah. We bust up the front. You know what I mean? Whatever. We got autonomy.

You know what I'm saying? It's great. And you know, then it's one of those moments where you have, you want to say some fantabulous shit, but you ain't got enough breath. You be like, yo, son, come right here, right here on this one. Break it up. That's what it's in and out. This nigga said. That's what I'm saying. In and out. This nigga said fantabulous. I caught that.

I caught that. I caught it. I caught it. I caught Pooley Tate's slang when I hear it. No, he's like, I'm just, that was my word.

I was like that. Fantabulous. I'm taking that. Give me your publishing dog. Give me your publishing dog. Fantabulous. You just ghost wrote for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yo, but listen, man, brothers, man, you know what I mean? I was so thankful, like I said, man i looked at uh my brother paul and graham and y'all was together and i was and it just was so dope and i just you know what i mean i hate i i hit you up i hit i came up and um i definitely you know wanted to as a man man like you guys mean so much to hip-hop what you guys have done and you know it's crazy like you guys have done. And you know what's crazy? You guys come from a whole camp.

You don't sound like them. You guys have always been original. You guys are true legends, icons. And I wanted to give you guys y'all flowers. I wanted to give you guys y'all props. I wanted to tell you how much you mean, how dope you are, and how much you continue to do this. Hopefully, we get a two-man fucking tour. You know what I mean?

And listen, as just a hip-hop head, how dope it is to have two of the greatest duos at the table right now. Come on, man. You got Capone, Maroon, and Swift and Weston. Come on, man. It doesn't get any greater than that. But this is also, man, thank you, brother, because hip-hop has allowed us to go. We're bridging gaps. Come on man It doesn't get any greater than that But this is This also man Thank you brother Because it's like

Like hip hop Has allowed us to go We bridging gaps We bridging gaps We building bridges Right And like when When Noriega calls

Tech from Smith & Wesson On their jacket Like yo what you doing next week Yes Where we need to be bro Like that's Incredible bro Like to have that

It's a great place to be You're a part of that That timeline That's beautiful One you're family But this got nothing to a great place to be. You're part of that timeline. That's beautiful, man. One, y'all family, but this got nothing to do with being family. This got everything to do with hip hop. Man, you guys deserve y'all flowers so much, man. Give thanks, man.

I kid you not. Although I'm probably a year or two younger than y'all, I feel like y'all still raised me with the music because I knew y'all music before I knew y'all. You understand what I'm saying? So I'm just sitting there identifying with the music. Nah, we flyall music before I knew y'all. You understand what I'm saying? So I'm just sitting there identifying with the music. Nah, we fly to your shit too. And listen, listen. I brought an old verse in your style one time.

I swore I was from Brooklyn earlier. I was walking around like this. I was like, holy shit. That's the Brooklyn dance? Yeah, that's the Bob Monk thing. Bob Monk. Bob Monk. Bob Monk.

Bob Monk. With the belt in his side. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's old school baby. I know, man. That's one thing I love about boot camp too, because there's so many of us. We listen to other cats' music. Everybody. It's funny because we used to imitate all the cats that we like. We used to imitate everybody that we like.

You know what I'm saying? And eventually, we was talking about that earlier, because we're going to borrow some of your shit. You might hear it, and be like, wait a minute. Well, today, y'all are mine. We want to give y'all y'all flowers, man. And shout out OGC. Shout out to Skelter.

Shout out to Book Camp, man. Smith and Wesson, Black Moon. Yeah, and before we get up out of here What's next What's next for y'all Like Oh man Right now we working on

Album number 8 Oh dope Right With 9th Wonder And the Soul Council Dope So that's like 9th Wonder do the whole

It's 9th Wonder 9th Wonder got a squad Called the Soul Council Okay It's just He banks He He did he in that Shit out here

Yeah Nats is in it Nats is in it Nats is in it He got the new young boy What's the young boy's name Soundtracks Soundtracks

That's a beast man And yo One thing about working With these guys man Is like When you go down To the studio It reminds me of D&D.

You go to D&D any other Sunday, you're going to see anybody. D&D was dirty like a mother. No roaches, but it's a lot of takeout food shit all over the place. You know what I'm saying? But it's like home. Ain't no egos there, bro. Like everybody

in there is a beast. Is that in New York or that's in Virginia? It's in North Carolina. Everybody in there is a monster. Like, when you think about D&D, we ain't no niggas that's from Queens, niggas from Staten Island, niggas from Brooklyn, niggas from Harlem, niggas from the Bronx.

And everybody is about to be the biggest, most, they about to be titans. And we all in here playing pool, smoking reefer. Incredible. What's the machine? they about to be titans and we all in here playing pool smoking reefer yeah incredible so what's the machine so yeah i wanted to what's the machine um that you get your snicker bars out of the vending machine machine machine have phillies in chambers wait what's that this is a this is a book that i wrote oh come on you wait till now to talk about this come on uh it's a book of poetry right by my own hands poems and i use artwork from um some this is like fan some of the fans that you know painted

did some paintings i said i'm gonna put include the um fans in the work as well. And I try to use some, I jacked a Tupac scroll. I put my own handwriting in the things. I just wanted to make it like engaging for the people. Like, you always hear the raps. You always hear the tough guys. But sometimes you don't get to,

like, you know, just get into some abstract and peer into the people. Damn it. You go get niggas to read, too. Yes, and me. You need to be selective. We all need books for everybody. Oh, going to get niggas to read, too. Yes, and me. You need to be... Selecting that. We don't need books for everybody.

Oh, shit. I just signed my book deal, too. I don't even know what I'm going to call it. Yeah. I'm going to call that shit Reading is Overrated. It's going to be seven sentences. What's up, y'all?

I'm going to look at you before I open the book. That's going to be best selling. Mad pages? Mad pictures. It's going to be for my resource room, niggas. Anybody in special education, we don't want to Anybody in special education We don't want to read Instagram

We don't want to read Fuck y'all I'm sorry kids Do not listen to me No kids don't watch the show anyway You got no business Watching Drink Chats No business watching

Your parents is fucked up If you watch this You know Right there That tough mountain Yeah That's like 12 joints out there

I think It don't matter what you write, man. Just write something. Yeah, I'm bugging. I was just playing around. KRS said, yo, he put out a Bible. Yeah. Right?

Temple of Hip Hop. Temple of Hip Hop. A lot of people lost their mind. They're like, what does this guy think he's doing? But he's like, yo, everybody should write a book to that. When the Bible, St. Jane, King James joint, it's like you had this nice-seeing council, right? You have all of these different people from all

these different lands bringing their books. What does that sound like to you, if not hip-hop? Everybody bring their book. Everybody's head. That was deep. But we all allowed, there was no gatekeeper that said we can't write a book,

that book from there, you know what I mean? We would love that. We would love to see that. Nobody behind the scenes, not nobody coming and telling our story, us telling our story. That's right. We got to tell our own story. Word.

Goddamn. Thank you. That's what's next. Look at the picture. Look at the picture. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production in association with Interval Presents. Hosts and executive producers, NORE and DJ EFN. From Interval Presents, executive producers, Alan Coy and Jake Kleinberg.

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