Drink Champs - Episode 387 w/ M.O.P.

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the legendary group, M.O.P.!Billy Danze & Fame of Mash Out Posse join us to share their Hip-Hop story! M.O.P. shares stories of creating their legendary catalog and working with artists like Busta Rhymes, Remy Ma, 50 Cent and much much more! Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss! Listen as we continue to celebrate 50 Years of Hip-Hop!!Make some noise for M.O.P.!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's a Miami hip-hop pioneer. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts. It's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hopefully soon it should be. This your boy N.O.R.E.

What up? It's DJ E.F.N. It's military crazy war. Drink Champs. Yappy hour. All of that. Make some noise. Right now, when you talk about legends, when you talk about two-man group,

when you talk about some of the best back-and-forth lyricists, paint pitchers, real artists, real hardcore shit, you cannot listen to their music sitting down. You got to stand your ass up and get hype. This is one of the best groups of all times help influence more deep who who mobby have influenced us so in a lot of ways it wasn't for them this show or this person might not even be here they are the impeccable they are I love love to see them in. But in case you don't know who the fuck we talking about, we talking about the one, the only,

Mash Out Posse, M.O.B. Legends, legends, legends, man. I ain't going to lie to you. I was going through your discography. Yo, y'all got some music, man. Yo, man, it's like real art. Like, I remember me hearing it y'all got some music, man. Yo, man. It's like real art. I remember me hearing it and not going to Brownsville at that time.

And me just, I'm knowing that y'all painted, I felt like I was at Saratoga. You know what I mean? So how did y'all come up with that? That music. It's all organic, bro. Right. So how did y'all come up with that music? It's all organic, bro. Right.

Like we don't, even for shows, anything we do, like there's no rehearsing. Really? Y'all do not rehearse? The way y'all go back and forth? No, it's just feeling. Yo, that's wild. It's just feeling.

So, you know, I thought about this on the flight here and in my room and everything. And, you know, people thought about this on the flight here and in my room and everything. And, you know, people ask the question, like, how did y'all come up with it? And it's different with us than other rap groups, right? Because we're not really a group, right? That's the big difference because we go back so far that we don't even know how we met, where we met, when we met. That's how far back it's blurry. That was my next question.

Yeah, I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I said, let me get that out there. Whoa, damn it. You remember that? On stage, we got fucking sign language. We could just look at each other like, catch me, nigga.

You know what I mean? Buster told me about the Smith Star. He said, let the Smith Star do that. Not always. Nigga, he lying. Yeah, yeah. We know when you just look at a nigga. Right. You know what I mean? You know, catch me. You just look at a nigga. You know what I mean?

Catch me, catch me right here. You know what I mean? Now, y'all did the BET Awards with Steve Rifkin. Yeah. How was that experience? That shit was amazing. Yeah, dope. Dope.

Shout out to Steve Rifkin, too. Yeah, shout out to Steve. Because y'all signed to Loud, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a Steve. Yeah, Steve Rifkin, you ever signed a lot? Yeah. Okay.

So how was that, I'm dealing with Steve? You ever signed a lot while Wu-Tang was there? Yeah, that was a classic, legendary. Yeah, a lot of great groups on there, man. It was just good. It was like being home

on a lot of records because you had so many amazing artists doing our kind of music. Right. You know what I mean? Nigga music. Right, right, right. So you're comfortable in that environment.

Right. That was that friendly competition era that we were in, right? So if you're on the label, you got Wu-Tang, you got Nas, you got, I mean, excuse me, Mobb Deep. You got all these amazing fucking artists. Pun, pun. Pun, everybody, right? Joe, everybody over there. Everybody's over there.

Right. It's that friendly competition that we was having. Like, you know, you hear a fucking Mobb Deep album or a Mobb Deep record, you're like, and we're all in the same place. So it's like, it kept everybody on their A game. Keep you on your toes. Flush with your fans. Like, I'm a fan of all them artists.

He just, everybody on Loud Records, I was a fan of. Right. You know, I'm a music nerd. Right. Yeah, I watched a documentary on Loud Records, I was a fan of. I'm a music nerd. I watched a documentary on you and you was naming mad shit. Like different music. People think I make hardcore music that I listen to and I was watching you

and I was like, wow, that's different. That keep you on your feet, keep you going and shit. What's something that you listen to that would be shocking? I listen to reggae music, dance you can you turn daddy, okay? Listen to soka like a motherfucker I used to all of that shit. All that shit on the 12 O'clock. Sometimes you got to get away from the hip hop shit, bro. Even when I'm listening to it, it's like I'm working.

I don't feel like working. You know what I mean? So you got to change. Because you're too close to it. You got to back away and make the art. Yeah, I listen to it too much. You know, too much hip hop is like, your fucking brain need to fucking break.

You know what I mean? So I put on some reggae and vibe out. You know what I mean? I put on old school reggae, like Bob Marley and the Wellers. You could play that music loud anywhere. Yeah, you feel good. And nobody would be offended. And 90s dancehall.

Can't go wrong with 90s dancehall. And salsa, too. I'm sorry. I don't know what the fuck you be talking about. I act like I know. So let's take it from the beginning how about some hardcore EFN

look that's from back then I bought this vinyl back then that's that's dope cause it says on the back of it

it says 93 but what did we google and it said 92 no it's well it said 94 the album came out. Yeah, the album came out in 94. Okay, but the single came out in 93.

Was this the first single? Was there something before this? First single. I had a joint called The Hill That's Real. It was by my neighborhood. Okay. Yeah. Very good project.

Yeah, that was dope. Shout out to Silver D. Shout out to Lazy Laze. Lazy Laze. Yeah. It was really a compilation Right But he happened to put me

On a compilation They said I had like Three joints on it Okay And one of the joints I made Was called The Hill That's Real The Hill That's Real Yeah

Talk about my neighborhood And that's in 92 That's 92 92 Wow I'm 16 Okay So how about some hardcore

D.R. D.R. Period is from my neighborhood That nigga's the producer Producer He's like a block away. You can hear it through the vacant lot. You can hear his fucking music bumping through the lot.

So y'all made that his crib? Yeah, we made that his crib. In the Ville? Not in the Ville. Okay. Was it on Herkimer? It was across, yeah. It was more like Bed-Stuy, but it was right across Fulton Street.

Herkimer. Yeah, but he used to live right across the street from me. Wow. So he just, wow. Yeah, I used to go to his crib and shit. Actually, it was him and his sister rhyming on the beat, just bugging out. How about the hardcore?

It was him and his sister. Him and his sister. The Queen, right? The Queen, yeah. Mm. Yeah. I hear the beat, I'm like, oh, nah, that's that motherfucker.

Bring it, you know what I mean? Right, right. And we on that joint. Billy came up with this shit. He started rhyming this shit. His rhyme was, how about some hardcore, yeah we like it raw in the street. I'm like, yo, that's the hook right there.

You know what I mean? That's the hook right there. That was the first line in your verse? Yeah. Wow, you said that's the hook. That's the hook right there, yeah. Holy shit, this is... And it came naturally, like you said,

you guys weren't, like can't remember when you started the group, so it's like y'all just started rhyming on the record and just became a group? M.O.P. wasn't really a group, man. It was a crew. It was a crew, yeah. It was M.O.P. before we was rapping.

Got it, got it. Put it like that, you know what I mean? We just represented through music. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. So, and then let's take it to that video, how about some hardcore?

Where was that video at? On the hill. On the block. Right on the block. In the building. In a half-ass bandit building and shit. Y'all remember who filmed the video? Hype.

Really? Yeah. Early, early Hype. You want to skip over that part? Come on, motherfucker. Hype. That was a good, grimy video. Those were the best videos, man. I ain't going to lie.

I would never think hype did that video. That was one of hype's first videos. Get the fuck out of here. One of his first videos, yeah. Wow. Yep. Paid a small bag of money to get it done. Okay.

We can say it if you want. Really a small bag of money in comparison to what we had started paying for videos and shit. But if you see the video, you got the black and white, you got color, which was common at the time. But the whole video was black and white

when it was done. Wow. And we ran into hype on Bleecker Street. Like, yo, dude, we need you to kind of make some adjustments here and shit. Took them on back down to the Ville, called the camera crew out,

and we got the color shots now. Wow. You know what I mean? Dope. We had a dope time. It was the first time we... Yeah, the first time we ever did anything like this.

Anything positive. Anything positive. Dude, we stayed up all night. Right. We stayed up all night because, like, what the fuck are we about to do? This is something different.

And Hype was in Hollywood? Did he feel out of place being in Brooklyn? I don't know if he felt out of place. Because that was Brooklyn, Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was real Brooklyn.

They didn't have a soul house at that time. Right, no. Yeah. Right, right. It was real Brooklyn. He held up pretty good. He was safe.

He was safe. He was safe, yeah. And the Ville is like at that time, too too, like that was probably one of the wildest places in America, right? Yeah. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. When I think back about this shit, it's like, how the fuck do we make it through that shit? You know what I mean?

And, you know, I mean, everybody's, I mean, you got these neighborhoods everywhere. Right. You know what I mean? And everybody that live in these neighborhoods, everybody's not tough. Everybody these Neighborhoods everywhere Right You know what I mean And everybody that live In these neighborhoods Everybody's not tough Everybody's not killers Everybody's not stupid

But it's a lot of people Who are And that's the shit That you gotta face When you come outside Every day Right You know what I mean

You gotta figure out How to navigate Through that shit It was hell But you know We pulled it off You know what I mean You think gentrification

Is good or bad I just said something About that Yeah I think it's bad In a way where You think gentrification is good or bad? Spike just said something about that. I think it's bad in a way where you got like, say for instance, we have like Latino neighbor, you know, that's Latino community. They separate them, they move these stores and stuff like that. You know what I mean? It displaces everybody.

Yeah, yeah. And it changes the fabric of that neighborhood. If they would invest in those people, that would be different. Like, I went to this neighborhood in Colombia called La Comuna Tres, and it's the hood. It's like where they had all the crazy gangs and gang wars, and hip-hop transformed it, and the government put money into it, and they just put escalators, because the higher you go in the mountain, the crazier it gets. So they put escalators to give them access to the ground level, and then they told all the graffiti artists to do murals everywhere,

and the whole neighborhood's changed. They invested in the neighborhood. It's the same people there. I miss the way it was, man. You know you want some motherfucking jerk chicken or something, you go to Flatbush. Right. I mean, you can still go now.

You know where to go. You know exactly where to go. You know what I mean? You got your favorite roti spot. Yeah, you got your roti. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? You got your favorite roti spot. Yeah, you got your roti. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? I think the gentrification,

the only thing I dislike about it is pushing our people out. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because when they gentrify the shit, they boost up all the prices. And unfortunately, most of our people

can't afford these prices. So they got to be, you know, displaced and put somewhere else. On the other hand, it's good for the kids, though. We grew up fucking throwing rocks, having rocks fights and faking lots and shit. Jumping a band to build it, a band to build it and shit like that.

These niggas got parks and all this beautiful shit. We didn't have no parks. These kids don't got wingworms. We didn't have no parks. We had wingworms, man. You know what I'm saying? Come on, that was a dirt bomb. You know what I'm saying? These kids don't got wingworms. We didn't have no pox. We had wingworms, man. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? Come on, that was a dirt bomb.

You know what I'm saying? All of us. Me too. All of us. All of us. All of us. All right. So off, you got them ready, Paul?

You got them ready? Our show is about giving people flowers, man. We wanted to give you all your flowers face to face, man to man. Tell you how great you are. Oh, oh. Come on, man. Come on, man.all are long overdue fire on the beginning we tried to get y'all but you know what's dope the show got bigger and bigger and bigger bigger than the platform so maybe god waited for this very moment so you know what I mean? Go ahead, you got that.

We wanted to tell y'all, man, how dope y'all are. Thank you. I got an IV this morning because I said, I'm drinking. We're going to go hard. Guru, when I'm going through the scottography,

I've noticed that you had a lot of records with Goo. What was the relationship with Goo and Gangstar? I mean, it happened, again, it happened organically. There were fans of M.O.P. Wow. That record right there, Premier tells the story how he was seeing the stickers of the posters or seeing the album and seeing the knife going through.

That's how he tells it. I seen the knife stuck in the album. That was so hot so fire and one day me and my man boo bang god bless them um we were on the train this record was out already we're on a train and we looking down the car and we see who looks like jeru the damage i'm looking at him he looking we all he almost like what what kind of right i'm like yo i think that's the nigga So me and Boob go down there We introduce ourselves He like oh shit yo

He like yo Premier loved y'all And it kind of started right there Alright cool We got a link And we you know Premier had the radio show At the time

We went up there To do the radio show And then the first time We got in the studio Was to do a remix To How About Some Hardcore, which turned into the first Downtown Swinger.

Yeah. I was today years old. And it was such a natural fit, his production with you guys. Oh, Primo, yeah. That bounce, that drum shit. Primo going there, he locked the door. Nobody can't go in that motherfucker but the artist. Back in the days, D&D was the shit. D& he locked the door. Nobody can't go in that motherfucker but the artists.

Back in the days, D&D was the shit. D&D was the shit. You know. Room here, knock it. Room over there, knock it. Niggas hustling and shit. You see Biggie in one room. I remember I had a session with a man, D&D.

He destroyed like six of the craziest beats in front of my face. I was so mad. He kept going on. He'll make the beat, and I'm like, it's not right. And then erase it.

And I'm looking at him like, I just wrote a whole rap for this shit. What do you mean? And that's why that joint, Invincible, that's the seventh CNN beat. And he wouldn't remember back then, there was no Senate, no records.

So we'd have to go there, physically go there. You had D&D. That was the shit, bro. That's why I'm this analog to me. Because a digital record is cool, but when we're in the same room together, we drinking Henny, you know what I'm saying? We smoking and vibing. You know what I'm saying?

You can smell my cologne, I can smell yours. You know what I mean?? Like, we smoking and vibing. You know what I'm saying? You can smell my cologne. I can smell yours. You know what I mean? We getting that fucking studio together. Nowadays, they do their hook. They fly their hook. Yeah. Back in the days, we had to say every fucking hook.

How about that? We had to say every hook. We had the two-inch. We had the... Oh, man. I'm having flashbacks. That shit was powerful. I didn't want you to punch in. It was a waste of the tape, too.

You would start fucking the tape up. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was hard to punch him back in. Hell yeah. If you had one producer, if you had to make one beat, one last song, who would produce that record? You're on your own right now. You're on your own.

You can't say, though, because there's so many dope producers, especially from our era. Even the new cast is dope, too. It's just so many of them motherfuckers. But if you had one, yeah. Yeah. I can't say. I can't say.

I think that was smart. Yeah. It's the truth, though. It's the truth, right? I think that was smart, though. Because how did I say premiere without saying D.R. Perry, without saying Pete Rock, without saying Just BlazeR. Perry, without saying Rob, without saying Just Blaze, without saying...

Too many favorites. You know what I'm saying? It's just too many favorites. Too many dope producers. Right. You know what I mean? Right. So, you know, going through your discography, I also noticed you guys got two records with

Jay-Z or more than that. About three or four. Three or four. Yeah, about three or four. And did y'all make those in the studio together? We did, yeah. For Alone.

For Alone plays, we did, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For Alone, which was produced by Lazy Laze. My guy, he got his glass in the air

right here. He's like, where's my flowers? Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I'm not even drinking. That's all. You good.

Yeah, you good. You good, we got you. Yeah, so about three or four records with Jay. Four Alarm Blaze. Four Alarm Blaze. You Don't Know. You Don't Know. Well we started You Don't Know. I was there when he finished it.

It was Put In The Air. Put In The Air, yeah. Put In The Air. Rock La Familia. Yeah, yeah. I forgot about that one. Maybe another one or two. You Don't Know. You Don't Know was in the soundtrack, right live familiar yeah yeah uh maybe another one or two you don't know you don't know what's in the in the soundtrack right wasn't it you don't know you don't know that was on his

album on jay's album which one was on his on the that was on blueprint too yeah but wasn't it the soundtrack to his joint i'm bugging oh uh streets is watching that was our joint though okay okay yeah but that wasn't you don't know. No, I know, I know. I was just... Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm bouncing around a little bit. Go ahead, do it. Let's go.

Let's do it. Andy, how many fucking movies is that shit in? Interversals. Interversals. I lost count. I lost count. Yeah, thank God, right? I'm talking about the whitest of the whitest movies.

And video games games too. I've been wondering, do they know what y'all saying? Probably not. Probably not, but fuck it. You know what I mean? Keep it going.

Keep it going. That record is a gift that I keep on giving, bro. And just when I'm like, I'm tired of this motherfucking record, I'm like, thank you, God. It doesn't get old.

It really doesn't get old. Plus the remix of it too is crazy. And what was that original that was on for your album? Yep. Okay. Yep. We actually, we was doing that album and stopped to do Handle Your Business, the EP Handle Your Business.

Okay. To create a little more excitement and shit. Right. But we had some issues with the label at the time. Like, them motherfuckers wanted to, like, we ain't got no more money for it. We had a lot of issues with labels. But at that time, they wanted to kind of, like, maybe

get rid of us and shit. Like, M.O.P. ain't worth having. Like, fuck are you talking about? So we stopped the album and did Handle Your Business. That's the joint when we had to tank in the middle of the street and all of that shit. Put that out, you know. Was that still Relativity?

Was it? Yeah, that was Relativity. Select. Yeah. It was Relativity. That was Relativity. Oh, it was Relativity? Yeah.

Handle Your Business was Relativity. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And we did that ourselves, because they tried to drop the group pretty much. So who do you think is more, what is more famous? Annie of the original or Annie of the remix? I think, well,

the shit that's moving the most, right? That's always in the movies. No, always in the movies is the original. The original, yeah. But I think...

It's hard because it's the same beats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You hear it off rip, you don't need to hear the whole song

just to get into the song. Yeah. So, like, we needed extra energy, right? Like, did we actually need it? But we did. But the remix was awful. Yeah, Busta killed it. Right, right.

Remy came in and bullied her way on the record. Right. How did she get on the record? Bullied her way in, bro. I watched her say this shit right here. First time I ever heard her say it. She bullied her way on the record. I had no idea she was going to be on the record.

I came to the studio and I can hear the, run that, run that, which is from my original verse. But it's not my voice. As I'm walking into the studio, I can hear this shit. I'm going, it don't sound like me. When I walk in the studio, it's blaring. She's sitting up on the top of the couch and shit She's just sitting there bobbing to a shit. I'll go play it back shit fired up I'm like fire. She bullied away on the

Same thing to me with Bam from TV. Rightfully so. But, shit, okay. And then tell the people, what is Saratoga? What is that? That's the block? Saratoga Ave, right? Saratoga Ave. Saratoga Ave.

It's the block? The street. The strip. The main strip. Saratoga is the main strip, yeah. Okay. The main strip. They run all the way from, let's say, Broadway.

Yep. From Broadway all the way down to... And y'all both from Saratoga? Yeah. Both of y'all. We from the same block. We from the same Broadway. Yep. From Broadway all the way down to... And y'all both from Saratoga? All the way through, yeah. Both of y'all. We from the same block. Same block, yeah. Holy moly.

I'm telling you, bro. Holy moly. We don't remember where we met or how we met. That's how long we've been friends and shit, right? That's true. So, like, there was times where I could... If I'm in my house... Like, he's in my house if I'm not there.

Right. You know what I mean? I could walk in and be fucking tired. Right. And if he's sleeping, like, he's in my house if I'm not there. Right. You know what I mean? I could walk in and be fucking tired. Right. And if he's sleeping, like, on that couch, that little green couch my mama had over there, which was my favorite spot, I couldn't wake him up. Right. She'd go, go your ass back there somewhere. You know what I mean?

So it's that kind of relationship kind of shit. You know what I mean? Your mom took care of me, bro. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Other shit, but she was there for me bro that's right yeah you ever had a fight no no not even a decent argument really which is some which is i curse his ass out all the time you get on my fucking nerves he gets on my nerves but it's him right so you've been getting on my nerves my entire life if you didn't get my nerves, that shit would be out of the ordinary. You know what I'm saying? So do what you always do. Get on my fucking nerves. It's a thing where you, when you cherish a friendship, you know you don't say a certain thing.

You don't cross the lines. The line that you don't cross. That's right. When you got good friends. You know what I mean? You don't fuck that up. That's right. And that's what we do, man.

You know what I mean? Keep it going like that. I'll make some noise for that guy. what we do, man. You know what I mean? Keep it going like that. I'll make some noise for that guy. I love you, man. I love you, man. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

That's a free chance. You hear that? Pone Pone snuck me. In Japan. I had to body slam him. Y'all was always fighting. No, only one physical fight. Well, I think Poem was somebody else from the crew. Oh, yeah.

That's just easy. So let's talk about ill figures with Raekwon and Coogee Rapp. How did that record come about? That was me. You know I do my beat shit, too. So I was working with Bob Perry and E1 Records and shit like that, doing production. And they was working on the Wu-Tang Project, so they brought me in the cold, you know, to listen over some of their shit. Oh, wow.

And here and there, I get a chance to do my little thing. Right. So I did the joint, and something was missing on the record. So they like, yo, get, you know, see if y'all, y'all niggas want to jump on it? So I started the joint, the Billy came and laid this shit. Wow. I'm going to be honest, I don't remember it. This is just what happened with,

you don't remember me from way, way back, right? Yes, yes, yes. I am the original Drink Champ. That's right, I forgot that. Animal, Animal, so back then, you know, all that, half of that shit I don't even remember. Well, let's go, Drink Champ. That's right. Animal. Animal. So back then, half of that shit, I don't remember. Well, let's go, Drink Champ. Let's go, Champ.

One night, we was in Germany. I don't know if you remember. Me and you drank for like 12 hours. Like we didn't move the bar. And I felt unhealthy. I felt so bad because somebody went somewhere and they came back and then they went again and came back and then went again. And we was in the same exact place. Ridiculous.

Me and you. I remember that. Just ruthless with it. But, you know, I'm glad that we're finally here because I wanted to say that, right? So to the M.O.P. soldiers out there that keep going, yo, why M.O.P. ain't on drink, champ? That's some bullshit. You know what I mean? You've been on some bullshit.

I got to be honest. it was all me, right? We've been trying. I've been ducking you niggas the whole fucking time. Yo, I said, yo, because the last time we hung out, you mentioned that time, like when we did stomp the shit out of you. Dude, we had our own bar in the store, and you walked in with a bottle.

We drank the whole fucking time. I said, this nigga's not going to kill me on drink champs. Fuck that. I'm not going. I'm not going. And again, to the MOP soldiers out there that keep on the internet with this shit while we ain't there. We were invited to drink champs early, early on. Year one.

Year one, when it first started. So, you know, like I said, shout out to my man, Hadley. But let me tell you something. Pause. It was worth the wait. It's worth the time. You know, our show,

that's what we started it about, is giving people their flowers while they're alive. You know what I mean? And you guys are one of the best groups of all time, man. Thank you, brother. I'm not saying that because I'm your friend. Thank you. But because I say that to the people that it's worth it.

It's like just because I'm your friend doesn't dumb down my fan-ness. That's right. You know what I'm saying? So I just was like, because like I said, it felt like 92 to me when I was listening to it. But I'm like, that shit just reminded me of that era. Like, you had to be a rapper to come out back then. Like, you had to have bars. And I was just listening to it.

I was just so amazed. And I was like, yo, man, I'm so glad that y'all brothers came, man. I'm just being honest. Thank you, brother. I'm just being honest. Because y'all deserve y'all flowers, man. Y'all deserve y'all flowers. Okay. Do we do a quick time of slime?

Yeah. Almost, almost, almost. You know what I think is a sleeper joint that I always... I love this record is the joint with Heather B. Oh, my. Yeah, we did two of them, right? Yeah, we did two of them. Yeah, we did two of them.

And what? Glock's Down, I think, is the other one, right? No. That's her record. That's her record, yeah. And then the other one with you guys. I think that joint is a classic. How'd y'all connect with her? Hella just, yeah, Omar Epps shot the video for us. Omar Epps?

Yeah, Omar Epps shot the video. Wow. He's actually in the video, too. Wow. The dude with the radio. Yeah, he's the dude with the radio sitting in the corner on the train. That shit was 100 years ago, bro. 100 years ago.

But, yeah, Hella used to be at D&D. You know, D&D was the grounds, you know what I mean? She used to be at D&D hanging out with Prem. We got cool from there, and she was like, yo, I need y'all on the record. No problem. You know what I'm saying? And she killed it. The second one, she body bodied, though.

Oh, my gosh. She went crazy on that second one. Yeah, the first one was produced by the Beat Miners. You know, D and Mr. Walt. No, no, no. Kenny Parker. Kenny Parker, though. Oh, my gosh. She went crazy on that second one. Yeah, the first one was produced by the Beat Miners. You know, D and Mr. Walt. No, no, no. Kenny Parker. Kenny Parker, yeah. And the second one was produced by the Beat Miners.

It would be a Mr. Walt. So, they did the first one. Yeah. Because it was dope because she was on the reality show on the real world on MTV. I didn't even know that. Yeah. I didn't know that. For that record.

And it came out around the same time, but. Was she on the reality show then, too? I think it was. I think it was. I think she was. It out around the same time, but... Was she on the reality show then, too? I think it was. I think she was. It was around the same time. Right, right. But, you know, people watching it probably didn't take her seriously as an MC, but then those records came out, and with you guys, I'm out of here.

She was dope. She was fire, yo. I'm still trying to get her to get on the record. Nah, she's, yeah. She ain't fucking with me. I'm sure she can still spit crazy. Yeah, of course, of course. That'll still go.

Yeah. Of course. Has a record label ever came to you and say, look, guys, hardcore, we did it. Now it's time for commercial. Uh-huh, yeah. They even try to sit away with the bullshit.

Let's shot yet, let's shot yet. Here we take a shot. In fairness, she wouldn't care. I'm trying to cruise, man. Yeah, yeah, that's a shot. Regulate whatever I said. Yo, let's make a commercial record. Let's go to Antigua and film the video.

Not even a commercial record. They just try to get us to pull it down a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, turn it down just a little bit. But what the fuck could we say? You know what I'm saying? We got to make records the way we know how to. You know what I mean?

This is our reality, so we make records like that. Bro, I grew up in a house, my mom cursed the shit out you. That's why I was like, yeah, my dog, come here, why you not come here?

Hold my mother, you are my mother, what are you talking about? My mother cursed, so I get that shit from, you know what I mean? I get that from her, bro. You know what I mean?

And then what else do you talk about if you don't know My mother, so I get that shit from, you know what I mean? I get that from her, bro. You know what I mean? The energy. And then what else do you talk about if you don't know anything else, right? This is what we knew, man. We knew Saturday was happening. It just, it feel good, though, bro, just to be you. Instead of trying to do, you can't, I can't do other shit. I can only do what I know how to do, and I'm so fucking good at it. You know what I mean? You're amazing.

You're amazing, man. You're amazing, man. Come on, let's be honest. You niggas are amazing. Why are you like what I mean? You're amazing, you're amazing, man. You're amazing, man. Come on, let's be honest. This nigga's amazing. Why you like that, bro? You're amazing, man. Bro. Bro.

Bro. This dude rap his ass off, man. You too, bro. It's funny, though, because I never seen somebody so on beat, right? Now here's the curve. Nigga can't even dance, right? Nigga can't even dance. So? The nigga can't even dance.

How the fuck is he always on beat? This shit crazy. You know what I mean? But that's what amazing is. You know what I'm saying? This nigga voice, he lead the fucking, as soon as his voice come on, you know, his own nigga. You know what I mean?

This nigga voice is so fucking powerful. So many niggas try to mimic him. So many niggas try to mimic you, bro. They can't do it like me. Dang this, bro. Dang this. You niggas ain't this. What is this? You can't do it like me. You can't do it like so many niggas try to mimic you bro dang this again do it like dang this you niggas ain't this

what a camera so let's talk about the new record of Caesar will bust around how did I join yeah crazy shout the bus around the bus and doing it, still doing his shit. Right. But that's our record. Fucking maybe two or three years before it even came out, we flew out to L.A. just to shoot the video. So that's why we're just in the original, right? We're just in the video, and it's a sample.

He used a sample. So he flew us out to L.A. to be in the video and it's a sample of, he used a sample so he flew us out to LA to be in the video. Then when the song came out, my opinion, I think the public forced

that remix to happen. You know what I mean? Because they kept saying, because I think it was put out like Busta Rhymes featuring M.O.P. And we weren't actually

on the record, it was a sample so the public was like, yo, where M.O.P. at? So, you know, he called like, come on, let's do it. So I was happy as fuck because that beat was ridiculous. By the way, y'all got some insane fans.

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Like when I said, they got questions for MOP, these motherfuckers went in so fast. Oh, shit. I was like, oh, shit. I'm looking like the shit is just going down my Twitter line. I'm like, yo, y'all got real fans. Do y'all realize that? Yeah. fans do y'all realize that yeah i mean after so many years in the business and not not that we don't fuck with everybody but just not being and connected and being connected in so many ways to other people right our fans kept us going you know i'm saying we traveled the world like five times

bro groundsville brooklyn right it's the demand for that shit you know what i'm saying so doing that um that really that really came from the from the fans you know i mean the love that we Downsville, Brooklyn, right? That's fine. It's the demand for that shit. You know what I'm saying? So doing that, that really came from the fans. You know what I mean? The love that we get. It's genuine love, too. You know what I mean? What's your favorite place to... You about to say something?

I'm sorry. No, just the work. Just the footwork. Traveling. You know what I mean? Traveling the world, like you said. Right. You know, you build your people.

You see the people that love you that fuck with your music. Yeah. That shit is energy. You be like, oh, I'm going back to school. Some don't even speak the language. Yeah. What?

And they know that shit word for word, though, somehow. They learning English. Just before the pandemic, we was touring. We had started a tour. And this dude came. He showed me a picture of himself and a 20-year-old Billy Danes, right? Wow. Smallest shit, right?

Drunk as fuck, me and him in the picture. The dude had his wife. He had now had two kids. He brought them all to the show. So he's been following since then. You know what I'm saying? So that's the shit that keep us going right there. You know what I mean?

Make some noise for that. Yeah, yeah. What's your favorite place to perform outside of the United States? You can't say. Yeah. What's your favorite place to perform outside the United States? You can't say. Man. Because that energy is everywhere. That energy is everywhere. I can't pick one.

Me, myself, I can't pick one. Okay. No. No, you can't. Can we narrow it down? You really can't. No, you can't. No, you really can't.

I would want to. How about the difference? What's the weirdest place you've performed? You really can't. No, you can't. No, you really can't. I would want to. How about the difference? What's the weirdest place you've performed? We did some shit. I could say we did like a holy country, Maritania. Maritania, yeah. Maritania, bro.

That was... Where is that? Like holy. Is it Africa? Wow. Is it Africa? It. Is it Africa? It's Africa, yeah. Yeah, it's Africa, Maritania. Yeah, Maritania is crazy.

It's the land of the... of the, um... the 190E Mercedes. And it's like every 190E that was on the train ended up there. Right? So all the cabs,

everybody's driving them. Yeah, yeah. It was strange. It was so strict, you can't drink. Yeah, nothing. You can up there. Right? So all the cabs, everybody's driving them. Yeah. Yeah. It was strange. It was so strict. You can't drink. Yeah, nothing. You can't do nothing out there. Nothing.

We on here sober as a motherfucker. Yeah, I can't curse. You didn't say it? No, we didn't. We didn't. I was about to say, how do y'all can't curse on stage? Yeah.

That's an instrument, nigga. Yeah. Word. Nah, because, wow, that's crazy. They let you curse if you couldn't drink or smoke. Yeah.

Can't drink or smoke and get the fuck up out of there when you're done. Maritania was a strange place but there was also at one time we were performing

in and you wouldn't know it when you're inside of it it was like bomb shelters in Germany. Like bomb shelters. Like World War II bomb shelters? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like that. This is my alcohol days. I'm just sitting there fucking stoned, but when you realize it, like you're really in a bomb shelter. Right.

So that was kind of strange to perform in some spots like that and shit. Oh, God. Okay. We got a quick time? Yeah. Yeah.

You got to explain it again. All right, got a quick time? Yeah. You got to explain the new game. All right, but we got to sub. You subbing for Billy? So he's going to be drinking for you. He's going to drink for you.

Okay. You got to designate a hitter. Oh, shit. All right, we're going to give you two choices. This is a game we play here.

It's a drinking game. We'll give you two choices and you pick one and nobody drinks. But if you say both or neither. So basically, if you don't answer the question, we drink it. Got you. I'm going to have you dudes fucked up.

Ask me all the questions. We drinking with you. We drinking. I got you. I got you. God damn. Y'all niggas ain't going to... Thank you, bro. I don't know what y'all niggas be up to, bro. Why are you falling for that shit? I want you, my nigga, but I'm watching you.

I don't go off the show. Wait, hold up. And before we start, because people think it's a setup on dissing somebody. It's not a diss. No, no. I want you to say the name. We want people to be mentioned. I know. I talk a bunch of shit. be mentioned Like this is how I'm talking about

I know I talk a bunch of shit Don't pay me no mind Nas or Kiss Oh shit Both Both So we drinking

I gotta take a shot too We drinking with you You can sip it like that You can sip it like that If you want Okay This is where we get fucked up That nigga crying up here And shit You can sip it like that if you want. This is where we get fucked up.

That nigga crying up here and shit. Oh, hell no, nigga. It's happened. It's happened. Don't catch me, motherfucker. ODB or Biz Markie? Wow. Why you doing that?

You crazy? And I've seen this before. I've seen you do this before. Y'allall got stories, like, add on to it. Like, my story with... But you made it a little lighter for everybody else that was here. Why are you doing this to God? These guys over here, these are the guys... I did it.

How did you... It's your man. It's your man. Hey, yo. They said both? Yeah, they said both. Yeah. I got a dream?

Yeah. Ladies got me. All right, cool, cool. This is so you could answer the question, though. Yeah, yeah. And Andy Stokes, you guys. You going to do it? I got this. I got this.

This is a good one. Well, there's impossible fucking answers. Like, I got it. Some of them are. Some of them are. Some of them are. Jay-Z or Big Daddy Kane? You go. I love them both. Love them both. I grewZ or Big Daddy Kane? I love them both. Love them both.

I grew up with Big Daddy Kane, bro. Yeah. Yeah, I would go. Kane is my era. Right. You know what I mean? Jay is my era, too. But Kane is, you know, before that.

Okay. I'm going to say Kane. Yeah, we'll say Kane. Rockefeller or G-Unit? You a cold man. You a cold man. You a cold man, bro. Yo, you cold. I'm just reading.

Wait, wait, you're reading that? That's a good one. Nah, I'm going to say, I'll say G-Unit. G-Unit? I'll say G-Unit. Because, because of their run, right? And not just because we was out with them, we did business with them,

but it was like almost everything was in line. You know what I mean? Everything that, I mean, starting with 50, right? Like, first record with the most amazing fucking, one of the most amazing hip-hop records ever made. Cannot front on Get Rich or Die Tron. No, no, no. That whole album was a motherfucker.

I mean, a fucking beast. The whole album, that whole album. And then he brought everybody else into it like he was supposed to, you know what I'm saying? And they all did well. Not saying everybody at Rockefeller didn't do well, but they all platinum, multi-platinum, everybody. And that whole shit, it was well put together.

You know what I'm saying? But shout out to Rockefeller because, you know, Dame is my guy. Fuck with Jay. I love fucking Beanie and, you know, that whole state. Right. But I think G-Unit kind of got him on that. And when the G-Unit record was coming out,

I guess I could tell this, when the G-Unit record was coming out, I guess I could tell this, when the G unit record was coming out, and Jay said it himself, how he kind of everybody was kind of scrambling at Rockefeller, like them niggas is coming. So, you know what I'm saying? Do something. And I think there was a record, there was a

Rockefeller record that came out around the same time. So, they was kind of competing for the space for that first week sales, and I think G unit beat them out. So, yeah kind of competing for the space for that first week sales and I think G-Unit beat them out. So, yeah. You know what's crazy? Did you guys realize,

because you've been on several situations, labels. He said, have you realized it? No, no, no. We were there. Not that part.

Not that part. But the fact that you had all those opportunities where people kept wanting you, how revered you were by not just the culture, even the industry, the folks that were in the industry side of it. It's the respect. They revered you guys to keep bringing you into these places.

That's it. I just thought about it right now. Yeah, we appreciate it, man. I think it took me after I stopped hitting the Henny so hard to actually realize that. You know what I'm saying? Most of the labels, with exception of the first select records, right? Everybody else was a fan. It took, yeah, everybody, 50 will tell you that.

Jay will tell you that. Steve Rifkin. Jay and Dame used to come when we were working on the second album that we put on Relativity Jay and Dane used to come and try to get us to be a part of Rockefeller

this is when like I like to say when the rock was a pebble right there was nobody there they had a they had an office probably this size

right there was a young lady at the front desk it was just Jay and Dane right and they would always try to they would I never met Biggs at the time though I just remember Jay Jay and Dame. Wow. Right? And they would always try to... I never met Biggs

at the time, though. I just remember Jay and Dame, and they would show up to Gabriella's studio. We were working on 26th Street. They would show up every other day. Yo, come rock with us. Come rock with us. We didn't. You know what I mean? At the time, we went to... Relativity. Relativity.

Which we were supposed to go to loud then, but we went to Relativity. And Beat Nuts was at Relativity at that time? Yep. Beat N were supposed to go to Loud then. Right. But we went to Relativity. And Beat Nuts was at Relativity at that time? Yep. Beat Nuts as well, yep. Okay. Three 6 was over there too.

Yeah, Three 6. Yeah, Three 6, yeah, it was dope over there. Bone Thug. Bone Thug, yeah. Relativity had a lot. Yeah, Relativity had it poppin'. I think even Joe, Joe was over there. Yep, Joe was over there.

Jealous One NV came out over there, yep. I remember. Tee La. Yeah, they denied me at Relativity. They didn't want to fuck with you. They didn't want to fuck with you. They ain't want to fuck with me. They missed out, right?

They missed out. They lost, bro. That's it. Premier or Pete Rock? Jesus Christ. Take a shot. Salute. Salute.

I love both of them, nigga. Yeah, this is the hardest shit. Nah, this is going to be. I grew up on both of them, bro. Yeah. Oh, you want the hardest shit. Nah, this is going to be... I grew up on both of them, bro. Yeah. Oh, you want to explain that? Huh? You want to explain?

I grew up on both of them, man. I love them niggas, man. Right. Motherfucking Pete Rock, that fucking, that boy was on fire. Yeah. Fire, fire, fire

like this nigga. Remixes. That fucking shut him down. Shut, hold it now. Get in, get in. Yo, what? Everything. The Run-D.M.C. joint. Everything. That fucking thing. down. Shut, hold it now. Get in, get in. Yo, what? Everything. The Run-DMC joint.

Everything. That was the thing. Everything was crazy. Fucking Brand Nubian, fucking P-Rock, CL Smooth, them niggas, that boy was...

And CL Smooth, I don't know what rumor this. It's like someone was spreading a rumor that CL Smooth wasn't welcome on Drink Chance. That's not the truth. No, that's not true at all.

Yeah, he is definitely welcome. CL, that nigga, bro. Yeah. Definitely. P-Rock, shout out to P-Rock and CL Smooth. Shout out to P-Rock No, that's not true at all. Yeah, he is definitely welcome. See all that nigga, bro. Yeah. Definitely. P-Rock, shout out to P-Rock and C.L. Sloop. Shout out to DJ Premier, too. D-Mo, D-Mo, D-Mo, my brother.

Yeah. That's my nigga. Premier's one of my favorites in the world, bro. Yeah, mine, too. Both of them. He's one of my favorites in the world.

I love him, love him. I'll be a little not mad at him, but there's some things I wanted to get off my chest at times. With who? With Premier Like There's certain beats

That certain people have That I go God damn I want some God damn Why you get us Why you get us We want everything

You make That's it He doesn't make duds No He don't What he does though is he he makes

he's not like a lot of other producers they just got a a bunch of beat when you come to the studio he make the beat he caters it yup

it's almost like how we make Quick Time with Slime like you know how like Haz and Mr. Lee kind of like listen to like

the first five questions and then they come up with the questions it's the same thing. Like, Premier, to me, we would have conversations

and he would make the beat based on our conversation. Yeah. He'll be like, yo, and then just start making the beat. Yeah. And then dead that beat

and just talk to me again. You know, that's not it. Yeah. I was like, this is genius shit. I was just mad that he kept throwing

the beats away. That's how talented he is. He'll just make another one. Yep. Or, yeah, you got this. All right, this is genius shit. I was just mad that he kept throwing the beats away. That's how talented he is. He'll just make another one. Yep. Or, yeah, you got this one. All right, this is going to be a tough one. Guru or Big L? Oh, hell no.

Hey. Y'all don't got it. Rest in peace, the book. You niggas going to need new livers in this motherfucker. We probably already did. Both. Both. Okay.

Both. So what? Yeah. What the fuck? Come on, man. Join us. Salud. Salud. My shot. Okay. Both. So what? Yeah. What the fuck? Come on, man. Join us. Salud.

Salud. I love you. And by the way, rest in peace. You open my ass, bro. Listen, listen. Rest in peace to them both, though. Yes. You can do light shots.

We're doing light shots. Yeah, we're doing light shots. Light shots. Rest in peace. Okay. Good excuse. Light shots. This one is going to be real, too. Big pun or DMX? Rest in peace to both. I'm going to just real, too. Big Pun or DMX?

Rest in peace to both. I'm going to just take this shot. Wow. That's cold. I love them both, bro. All right, so I'm going to be taking this shot. Pun is my motherfucking heart, bro. Pun is my brother, brother, brother, bro.

I sat in the studio with Pun. We was doing the New York Giants. New York Giants. Yeah. Bro, for like a week week We used to go up there Never got nothing done Never Never got no work done

Because of this shit Nah this nigga Would sit around And just joke And joke And joke And we We just hanging out basically

This nigga burning money In the fucking studio You know what I mean He got his family there And shit This nigga just Pun pun Is one of the funniest Niggas So you pick his fun No in the fucking studio. You know what I mean? He got his family there and shit. This nigga just, pun, pun,

is one of the funniest niggas. So you pick it fine? No. I love you, pun. In this case, it's hard to pick. Yeah, I can't. Both. If you go for lyrics,

I ain't even fuck with that. Any interaction with X? Both, both. I love X. Any interaction with him, though? I ain't get to that. X? Let's drink.

Yeah, yeah, drink Yeah X had me I remember first Like actually hanging out When I first met him We was doing I love X too But everybody Everybody know

We did the Apollo together And um Wow what year was that? Do you know? I was drunk I don't remember But this is when he first When he first came out

When he was first coming out Right This is M.O.P. We're not cocky, right? But we know our work. We know we get busy or whatever. We meet him. He's like, oh, what's up?

Good to meet you, whatever. All right, cool. This nigga gets on the stage by himself and fucking destroyed the Apollo. I'm never really nervous and shit. We made it snow. Yeah, that's when we made it snow in the Apollo. But he get on the stage by himself and destroyed

the Apollo. Then the next time, I saw him that time and obviously we'll pass each other and kick or whatever, whatever. Then some years later, I saw him in Germany. Austria. No, we toured

with him a couple, actually last time we just did in Germany, Oh, sure. No, we toured with him a couple, actually, last time we just did in Germany, he was there with us, but he not stole the car, but he had got the car, and he going, yo, come on, get in the car. I'm like, I'm not getting in that motherfucking car now

because the story just happened like three weeks ago how you was in a fucking car. So much you was the FBI and all this old shit. I'm like, I'm not getting in that fucking car with you. You're going to get on the Autobahn at 200 miles an hour and shit. You drunk. I'm drunk. Nah, bro, this shit ain't going to work. I had to decline.

You wasn't that drunk. No, I wasn't that drunk. I wasn't that drunk. I want to say X is a good dude. X is a solid dude. Same had to decline. You wasn't that drunk. No, I wasn't that drunk. I wasn't that drunk. I want to say X is a good dude. X is a solid dude. Same person every time. Every time we've seen

each other, same, same nigga. You know what I mean? So, shout out to DMX, man. He's an honest dude, too. The nigga's so fucking honest. Yeah.

I'm a, to be honest, like, every record he made, I didn't like every record, right. To be honest. So no,

he was dope. Right. But I was more of a girl Simmons fan, right. The person, this nigga felt so familiar. I don't even fuck what kind of records you make, how big they are.

But if it's like, it's you, like I can, I can, you know what I mean, zone in on you. That's why I love that nigga. That's why I love them. D&D or Quad Studios?

D&D. Damn, that was fast. Mobb Deep or Smith & Wesson? Oh! Go on and drink. Why you ain't drinking? I'm Oh, go on and drink. Why you ain't drinking? I'm drinking, look. Good audible, good audible.

That's crazy. I love them both, bro. You know, Mobb Deep is the first artist that we started dealing with in the industry. Really? The first, the first. Dealing with how? Like just ran into him, kind of got cool with him.

The very first, for me, the very first. Like just ran into him when we kind of got cool with. The very first for me. The very first. I love Mob. I love Smith & Wesson. Shout out to Smokey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dumb dude. Dumb dude is a dope. Yeah, by the way, just so you know, Prodigy was supposed to be on Anteoff Remix. Oh, wow. Yeah. But obviously Prodigy, rest in peace to Prodigy, but obviously Prodigy being Prodigy Rest in peace to Prodigy But obviously Prodigy Being Prodigy He start taking shots at

He was taking shots at Jay That's when they was going through They That's when they was I'm not taking shots That does take shots I did hear about this record And you ain't use it right

Yeah yeah yeah Now we didn't use it because I mean you know If y'all got y'all little Whatever issue y'all got Don't put me involved Yeah don't put me involved And that's with anything

Rather than some music shit Some streets Anything like it's You know what I mean It's my house Don't come me involved. Yeah, don't put me involved. And that's with anything. Rather than some music shit, some streets, anything. Like, you know what I mean? I had to learn that. Don't come shooting at a nigga out my window. What are you doing? Yeah, out my car. You know what I'm saying?

It's y'all beef. But you're shooting at him out my car. Out of my, yeah. Like, come on. And I'm good with him, too. Right. And those are the days where you had to go to mix. So you knew you had enough time to think about this when you're mixing this record.

Like, oh, he's kind of going at it. What are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah, he was going at it. He was at him. He was at him. Okay. Tupac or Eazy-E?

Wow. Rest in peace, Tupac. I love Eazy, motherfucker E. Rest in peace to both of them. Yeah. But Eazy, motherfucker E. Yeah recipes to both of them. Yeah, but easy motherfucking. Yeah I mean Easy because of what he did right for

West Coast hip-hop, I mean history is crazy. Yeah, you can't you can't even go from history. It goes to easy So you think about to a degree because it's a throw that tree goes there Yeah, and pop just took the passion pocket just pockets of actually I can't even compare them, right? But if I had to choose one, I'm gonna pick easy You know, I mean, oh, all right I would say easy. I think it's just that's what that's the way I always think about it. I'm just tired of drinking. I say they drink more. I say I drink water. So you're saying both?

Yeah, I say both. Yeah. I say both. I was just trying to give an explanation. Nigga, you wouldn't let me give an explanation. I'm glad I could have said both. Okay, I got the next one. We got a drink. He said both.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll go said both. Okay, I got the next one. We got a drink. He said both. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll go with that. EPMD or MOP? Ha ha. Bang! Yeah, MOP, but that's...

Shout out to EPMD. All of these questions is hard, man. Yes. I mean, they kind of birthed Mop right like we got it from them right you know what i mean but i gotta go with the home team right i love epmd but gotta go with the home which i do versus against epmd i wouldn't do versus you wouldn't do it i wouldn't do versus well i i wouldn't do it let's not speak about epmd why would you do versus? I wouldn't do versus. Wow. I wouldn't do it. Now, speaking about EPMD, why wouldn't you do versus? Because this nigga's interviewing me.

Why the hell is he interviewing me? It's open. But no, the reason why I don't like, and shout out to Swiss and Tim. I just, I feel like somebody got to come out on the bottom. Right? Like someone loses that street? Someone loses, and they potentially lose what they built for so many years. But not Red and Meth kind of celebrated each other. Yeah, but that's Red and Meth.

You know what I'm saying? But who do you think lost in that way that you're thinking? Because I think everybody's kind of won. They reminded the fans of their legacy. So I'm not a good gambler, right i'm not really willing no i'm not i'm not willing to put up something that i built for 30 years just for that hour right and people go yo it's for the love of hip-hop but nah bro i'm not losing what the fuck i got fucking kids and grandkids and shit don't my motherfuckers need to eat later on down the pipe. You know what I'm saying?

I'm not going to fuck up what I got just for that moment. For that moment. You know, I totally understand what you're saying. And I think that the only people who kind of made it like that

is the New Yorkers. Like, everybody else was kind of celebrating each other. I believe, in particular, it was Dipset. That was very, in particular it was Dipset and That was very in particular that situation.

Yes, I mean, and they turned it into That was a good versus though. It was a great versus. But they still both won in a way. To me, I say that. How? Well, Dipset went on tour after that. I don't see anybody dragging Dipset's name through the mud.

How about Gucci Man and Jeezy? Whoa. I think that one was almost a little dangerous. Yeah? I didn't feel safe watching it. I did.

Yeah, I think that one was a little dangerous. Well, 3-6 and... Oh, I forgot. No, no, no. That was dangerous. But that was from the beginning. And I remember them.

I ain't going to lie to you. I remember them having beef on tour. I don't know. And I was like, from the beginning, I was like, this is not going to work. Right, right, right, right. That shit went sideways. So, but you wouldn't do it? No, I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. For that reason. That's fucked up. So now, we ain't doing the verses. You just find this out, babe? We just said we ain't doing the verses. You just find us out, man. I said I'm not doing it. You just said we ain't doing the verses. We ain't doing the verses.

I just don't like the feel of it. You know what I'm saying? I think that everybody works so hard. You could have pulled me to the side and said that. Drink, champ. Drink, champ. I hate you so much. Drink champ. Let's make some noise.

Let's make some noise with DMX still in the car and them not doing verses. Oh my God, this is great. What's the next? Oh, Illmatic or Ready to Die? Mm-mm, mm-mm. Well, I mean, we'll go back to it. I just drink, bro.

Okay, Illmatic. Just drink? All right, mm-mm. Well, I mean, we'll go back to it. I just drink, bro. Okay. Just drink? All right, let's go. No, I just did. That's what we do, though. Okay, don't worry about it. Fuck. We celebrate it. We're the champs.

Lil' Maddox or ready to die? He said both, basically. Oh, both? Okay, all right. Without saying it, but he said it. I've been taking my shots like genuine now.

That's how genuine Took his shots What the fuck was that You don't remember He was like He was taking his shot And then taking a sip Of Coca-Cola on the side

Ooh DR period Or lazy lays Oh man Don't look to the side Lays is dope Lays is dope Alright if we talk about

Production I'm giving you DR Yeah I'm about to say The same thing Lays is dope It's just DR DR does DR is Is the perfect production. I'm giving you DR. Yeah, I'm about to say the same thing. Lazy is dope, it's just DR. DR does,

DR is the perfect well-rounded production. He's a good drum program. Right. Like, he can do hip hop. You getting technical with it now.

Yeah. Hey, we back in the studio with DR right now. Oh, okay. Yeah, we working on an MOP album,

that shit coming out. We just started. Independent? Started, yeah. Huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We ain't get to that yet, nigga. We just in the studio.

What the fuck you talking about? We just got in the studio, nigga. Shout out to my man, Carlos Maldonado. Always big up D.R. period. D.R. period is dope. When I was in jail, he always used to tell me. I'm talking about everybody else's ass, though. J.B. with a Damager or Master Ace

wow you wouldn't ask these kind of questions if the camera was off with you yeah no you wouldn't no you wouldn't

y'all some cold dudes I'm a J. Rool's dope that's my bro that's my guy but I mean since a kid I was a Master Ace fan. That's what Master Man said.

Yeah. Yeah. Since a kid. You know Master Ace from Brownsville? No, I didn't know. I knew he was from Brooklyn. I didn't know where it was. He's from Brownsville.

He's from Howard. He's from Howard. Yeah, yeah. He's from Brownsville. Shout out to J. Rool. Shout out to Master Ace. Shout out to J. Rool. He's in Germany, I believe.

So, you're picking Master Ace? Yeah, Master Ace. You're picking Master Ace. Brownsville. That can't go. He's in Germany, I believe. So you picking Master A's? Yeah, Master A's. You picking Master A's? Brownsville, that can't go. Yeah. Okay, I respect it. Who'd you rap with, Rakim? Uh-huh.

That was high school. That was junior high school argument. Take a shot. High school argument, nigga. I don't know, huh? Yeah, I know. What you going to do? Yeah.

There's no, there's no, you got to say both. Junior high school, bro. I got a lot of bourbon. I can't help it. Junior high school, we used to fucking go back and forth. This day is fucking G. This day is rock. Yeah.

Yeah, bro. We never got the answer to that one, bro. So we're taking a shot. Yeah, I'm taking a shot. Salute. And I want to say, y'all go ahead and take y'all shot, man. I want to say that Rakim,

to me, Rakim is the best rapper ever. I don't think we'll never find another one. I'm not, without the comparison, him and G-Rap, right? Right. Rakim is the greatest rapper ever. That's my opinion.

And if anybody else have another opinion. You know what I'm saying? The fact that he don't curse and it feels like he's cursing. Yo, dude. And he felt like. But it sounded like he's cursing, right? It felt like he was cursing. It sounded like he was cursing.

Yeah. I love them both for different reasons, bro. Yeah, me too. For different reasons. And they're both my favorites. Yeah. Both of them both for different reasons, bro. Yeah, me too. For different reasons. And they're both my favorites. Both of them, equally. And they're super legends, both of them. Cube or Scarface?

Same shit. That's the same shit, bro. That's your man who likes these questions. That's your man. I love both of them. Yeah. God damn, bro. Both? Motherfucker.

Yeah. Face. Face. I'm going for both, bro. How could you not? I love them both, bro. I love them both, bro. I mean, Face is my number two, right?

For me, it's Rakim, then it's Scarface. Face is a little less. Let me tell you, that motherfucking Scarface album, motherfucking The Diary. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Bro, that shit got me through so much shit. Yeah. You know what I mean?

We used to steal tapes from each other. You hop in the nigga car, you forget to tape and shit. Right. You know your tape popped, your tape twisted at a certain point. You're like, you hear it next time, nigga, that's my fucking tape. We done stole that Scarface album CDs from each other so many times, that shit done passed around the circle. You know what I mean?

So that Scarface, that fucking, the diary, untouchable. Scarface is just a bad motherfucker. And the Ice Cubist. That's the typical America's most wanted. I'm not going to argue with you. I know how you feel. Ice Cube is a bad motherfucker. Cube is dope.

A bad motherfucker, yo. Ice Cube, that nigga. So I just drank to it, nigga. I drank to it. Yeah, everything he did from early on, Ice Cube is crazy. But then Scarface, like, there's no way you can... What did you think about his argument? It wasn't an argument, man.

It was an argument, brother. No, it was Scarface and who else? No, like, there's no way you can. What did you think about his argument? It wasn't an argument, man. It was an argument, brother. No, it was Scarface and who else? No, no, no. Yeah. Daniel asked me who my favorite artist was. I've always been a Cube fan since NWA. So I said Cube. He said Biggie.

I said, cool. And then he didn't like the, he went back and he started arguing about it. I would have went with Cube over Biggie, too. Yeah, we're both like. And then it became a career. To me, it became a career thing. Unfortunately, Biggie didn't like this. He went back and he started arguing about it. I would have went with Cube over Biggie, too. Yeah, we'll both argue. And then it became a career. To me, it became a career thing. Unfortunately, Biggie didn't have the career. Right.

Unfortunately. Right, right, right. Of course, Biggie. Come on. It's undeniable what Biggie did. Yeah. But Cube had the career. Yeah.

Cube, NWA lineage. Like, you can't argue that, man. Yeah, no. No, no. Yeah, I'm sorry to keep saying. This is like a real hip-hop conversation right now. I'm sorry to keep saying both, both, both, both. But it's the truth, bro.

How the fuck? You can't, you can't. I can't pick Ice Cube over Scarface. Or Scarface over Ice Cube. Yeah, you can't. You just can't. That's real. Can you pick Kid Capri over Funkmaster Flex? I'm going with Kid.

Kid Capri. Kid Capri. I'll do Kid. Kid Capri's a bad motherfucker. Kid Capri is another super legend. And not to take anything from Flex. Yeah, that's just my opinion. Nah, both are legends.

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Oh, yeah. The way he... The bombs and bringing it back. Dude, yo, shit, he pulled over. I'm over. I'm like, oh, shit. I was like, all right, what the fuck? What about the head? All right, all right, all right.

Yeah, right, right. One time, I swear to God, I missed my flight. It's true, it's true. Because... He told swear to God, I missed my flight. It's true. It's true. Because. You told him you'd pull over? No, the Meek Mill. No, the Meek Mill drink.

No, but one time you did pull over. Yeah, I did. I swear to God. I pulled over. I'd be hyped. I'd be like, then he said, yo, go in there. Go to the store and grab some cash. I said, hold up.

Let's stop flexing. He's telling niggas to go into the New York City. Oh, yeah, yeah. Go in there. I'm sure that's okay. And then put your hands in the cash register I say you gonna get somebody killed You know what I mean But yeah I love that shit

Alright let's move on Black Moon or Onyx I say Black Moon Brooklyn Yeah Brooklyn niggas is loyal We can find finding that now The style of music for me Right like

I like their style of music I love Honest But Brooklyn is loyal We've had Brooklyn catch it We say it and they just say They just say Brooklyn They won't even answer the question Brooklyn

I guess We know what you're saying Right So respect to Brooklyn Yeah Oh definitely Thank you Brooklyn, yeah. Brooklyn, all right. Whatever, I guess we know what you're saying. Right. So respect to Brooklyn. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Thank you.

Yep. Thank you. Fab or Pusha T? Wow. Fab. Mmm, I say, I say Pusha. They both nice as a motherfucker. Yeah, they both dope.

I say Pusha. Okay. I feel like that's kind of like both Relax relax, mr. Do you not even drink it? All right MC lighter Queen Latifah Wow Get your cup go get your cups ready Y'all niggas, bro. You can't shit on Queen Latifah. Y'all a boy, bro. You can't shit on Queen Latifah or Light. You can't shit on neither of them. Neither one of them.

So it's, damn. Both? Both. Both. I gotta say both. And we need both on Drink Chance, please. Yeah. Y'all some motherfuckers.

Yeah, we talking about Queen Latifah, though, bro. We talking about MC Light.ah, though, bro. We talking about MC Lyte. MC Lyte got the most. You and I, too. I still don't think. I bought MC Lyte record, nigga, when I was a kid, nigga. Which one? I still don't.

Huh? Which one? 10% this. I still don't think it's still up. Huh? You bought that shit? And you and I, too. No, no, that's Queen Latifah, though.

I know. That's Queen Latifah. I'm saying both records. But hot damn, hot damn, ho. Here we go again. Like this is a rap. Yeah, no, that's for Latifah though. I know, that's for Latifah. I'm saying both records. Hot damn, hot damn, ho, here we go again. Yeah, yeah, that was crazy.

What, you stole the beat? All you have is one, now me, and the all. That was a B-girl, like she was hell,

man. I don't think it's been a female with that, like her voice. Talking about, like, her voice is so fucking crazy.

I don't think I've heard a female and her swag the way she when she spit and she was still up to same right now

she looks amazing and she's doing all the voiceovers for everything that paper thin paper thin you know come on nigga

I told you I'm a nerd when it comes to this shit I'm a fucking nerd paper thin is hands down one of the best records ever. Yeah. I want them to do Versus together.

Are we going to bring you in a little while, Lace? We're going to bring you in a little while. Let us chill for a little while. You like the heckler right now. He's acting like a comedy show. We're going to mic you up from over there. We're going to bring you in a little while. Hold on, I promise.

Where we at? Pop Smoke or Nipsey Hussle? Mm. I know a little more about Nipsey, like music-wise. So I got to say Nipsey. Let's have a piece of both of them. Yeah. Let's have a piece of both of them.

I'm going to take a shot for that. I'll take a shot. I'll a shot for that I'll take a shot I'll take a shot I'll take a shot I'll take a shot yeah yeah yeah I got you so I look

rest in peace both gone OC or Chubb Rock I love you OC Chubb Rock OC I love you bro with the green with the pocket

with the green yeah yeah we can't sit on OC though we can't sit on OC OC yes O.C. I love you, bro. With a green, with a pocket full of green. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but we can't sit on O.C., though. We can't sit on O.C. O.C. Yes. O.C.

O.C. Wow. O.C. If my memory's correct, O.C. is the first person we asked. But O.C. is St. Chubb Rock. No, but O.C. is the first person we asked to be on the movie. You can't even match that, though. Really? You can't match that.

That's two different eras, though, really. Right. I'm not telling you what to do. Yeah. You know what I mean? But that's two different eras. So salute, OC. I love you, brother.

Yup. But Chubb Rock was that shit. Y'all did the record with OC? Yeah. What was the name of the record we did with OC? I forgot, but it was on the first Family for Life album. But that's the first, if I remember correctly, is the first

artist that we asked to get on a record. To get an OP record. That's dope. OC is fire, bro. Come on. Low-key Dutch singing. Method Man or Red Man? I swear to God, I thought in my head yesterday, I'm standing in front of my fucking house. I said, watch these niggas ask that question.

I swear to you. I said, watch they ask that question. That's obvious. You have to take a drink. I don't drink. Yeah. Both. Both.

Both. Both. They had to sluice with it, though, because he's not drinking. Both. RZA or DJ Muggs? I say RZA. I say RZA. RZA?

I say RZA. Have y'all worked with Muggs? No, I would like to, though. I hear you guys crazy on a Muggs record. Yeah, I would like to, though. But he's dope. Muggs bad as a moth. He's very dope.

Yo, MTV Raps or Video Music Box? Video Music Box. Yeah, I knew y'all was going to say that. I'm going to give you the fuck. Yeah, I knew y'all was going to say that. Right, right. Sean Price or Prodigy? Man, you skipped.

Look, I just took a shot, bro. I wanted that question. Both. Yeah, both. Rest a shot, bro. I wanted that question. Both. Yeah, both. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Sean Price. Rest in peace, Prodigy.

The Tunnel or Latin Quarters? The Tunnel. Latin Quarters was a shit, but we weren't there. We weren't there, right? Latin Quarters. Yeah, the Tunnel. The Tunnel. They said LQ. Latin Quarters. So we ain't got to take a... Nigga, I ain't never been there, right? Yeah, the tunnel. The tunnel. Laysa, LQ.

Land quarter. So we ain't got to take a... Nigga, I ain't never been there, nigga. The tunnel. I know. All right. Busta, Eminem. Oh, hell no.

What the fuck y'all doing, bro? This is your man. Yeah. But when we... We giving you your flowers. When we we I mean We talk about Careers right

Like Both bro Both Both Both Both Right what the fuck But

Busta I think Song choices right Like the songs that Busta made Right Eminem made some big, powerful shit, but I don't know if his catalog is rounded, as well-rounded as Busta's shit is. You know what I'm saying?

But we say both. You niggas want to keep drinking that. You know I'm like a bartender, nigga. I sit back and pour it and watch you niggas walk out of here sideways. And psychoanalyze it. Young M.A. or Scarlett? Young M.A.

Young M.A. Young M.A. Lost Boys or Lordy by Nature? You come with the right fucking two that is hard to pick, bro. That's crazy, yo. That is crazy. I'm going with Nordy.

Yeah, I'll go with Nordy. I'll go with Nordy. But Cheeks is my bro. That's my dude. You know what I'm saying? My dude is my dude. Still hang with Cheeks now that you don't drink? Say that again?

Still hang with Cheeks now that you don't drink? No, I don't think nobody really want to stick with me no more, man. They don't want to stick with me no more, man. They don't want to stick with me no more because I'm all sober and shit. You're squirting, he's squirting. I'm a squirt. Oh, he gone.

Cheeks, boss, he's a long drinker. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, he starts out small, and then he starts speaking Queens and E's. Yo, bro, let me tell you. Like, Queens and E's.

So I know Queens really well. Right, right. I had Cheeks meet me in a spot in his neighborhood that he didn't know about. This is my drinking days. Right. Little Hole on Rockaway Boulevard. Wow. Dude, we drank so motherfucking much.

I don't remember the spot closing. I just remember being somewhere else. Right. I know we got in the car. I'm not sure who was driving, which way we went. We went somewhere else Started drinking more Even out here

Years ago Yeah cause he used to live out here Yeah Out here me and him I mean Dude we walk up and down The strip one time It's like

Like fucking animals So but no He don't really stick with me No more shit Cause I don't drink But that's my guy He a good dude though that's my guy. He a good dude, though.

That's my guy. I love him. I love him. The drunker he get, he start speaking Queens and Ease. Queens and Ease. I'm like, wait a minute. I don't even know that word. Shout out to Naughty Boy Nature, man. Shout out to Naughty Boy Nature as well. This is one of my favorite questions. Wu-Tang Clan or N.W.A.? Damn, bro. I'm going to say Wu-Tang.

I'm going to say Wu-Tang. See, I got different things in my head of why I'm choosing who I'm choosing. You want to tell us? I mean, I'm going to say... I'm going to say... I'm going to say Wu-Tang because they're still. Excuse me, sir. Would you like to expand on that?

I'm into this shit. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I say Wu because they're still a unit right after all of this time and all of this success. Unfortunately with NWA we sort of broke up, the breakup. Oh okay, that's a good point. Early on too. That's why, yeah, yeah.

So Wu-Tang. That's a good. Analog or digital? Analog. Analog? All right, let's make me some noise because I'm an analog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You had to work. You had to work. You had yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work.

You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work.

You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to work. You had to that record. I was listening to that record just now. And when I heard it just now, I couldn't tell if we made it yesterday. Yeah, yeah, right.

That's because we was in the studio together. That's what's to him when analog is about is the being personally together where he talks to the people with the equipment. They're like the analog equipment.

I want an analog record. See, he really wants digital, baby. He wants that analog video. And digital mix. I want a digital mix with analog. He don't want to He wants that analog. Digital mix. I want a digital mix, but analog. He don't want to wait analog.

He don't want to wait for the analog shit. Actually, listen. Let me tell you something. That was the good thing. I was coming from being 5%-er, so I would never go to the studio without knowing my rhymes right here.

I had never, during the analog days, I had never wrote in the studio. I had always had that shit in my motherfucking brain. So I didn't play no time. I would go in there and record, record, record, record, record, record, and record. Right, right, right.

Well, some people use the digital shit, but they don't do no work. They don't put no time into their shit. Right. Because it's disposable. They can just keep doing it. But I think the digital is good. I love the analog. The digital is good for artists like you.

Right. Artists like us. Right. You know what I mean? Right. You can just punch in. You ain't got to rewind. Yeah.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right. You know what I mean? Your tape pop off and all that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? They don't know that pain. They don't know that pain.

You know what I mean? I think the digital would have came in handy for those times. But besides that, analog. Analog, hell yeah. I always give that to Traj, man. I know I probably never said that. Traj would make sure, like, yo, we're going to do three records. Make sure you got all your rhymes.

And I would, for a week straight before I went to the studio, I would have the rhymes in there. That's why if you listen to the War Report, I'm always the first one On the motherfucking record It's because I had my shit ready I was like I'm going

That album Is one of my Fucking favorite Bro I still listen to that album Nigga Yes Good looking

Yeah that's my shit bro It's your thing Yeah I got you I got you Okay All Eyes On Me Or Life After Death That's Tupac and Biggie's album Good looking, bro. Yeah, that's my shit, bro. We give you, it's your day. Yeah, I got you, I got you. Okay. All Eyes On Me or Life After Death? That's Tupac and Biggie's out.

Wow. I'm actually going to go to Life After Death. Yeah, I'm going to go with that one, man. I go with All eyes on me Wow Alright so we not drinking Yeah I'm trying to save you niggas Yeah yeah good looking

Good looking No but the truth is like Two different kind of artists to me Yeah Right And for me I like the passion that Tupac had I can respect that

You know what I'm saying So that's why You never got to that Tupac had. I can respect that. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I love him. You never got to meet Tupac? I was drunk, bro, so I don't really remember. Yeah, you probably met mad people. Dude, I got a picture on my... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. I did.

I know I did. But I met him with Biggie. I met him with Biggie, but I can't remember. You met Pac with Big? Yeah. You got to remember this. I can, remember You met Pac with Big? Yeah You gotta remember this I can't bro What do you want me to do?

That's a memory you need to keep man Who the hell just says that? I met him He said it so nonchalant Yeah I met Pac Cause I mean everybody They were good

They were friends at one time Yeah yeah Absolutely I never met Pac at all Yeah yeah yeah But that's how I met him But being you know Drunk as. But being, you know, drunk as fuck. But I always get

slack for people who ask me about, in comparison to Biggie and Pac. I love Big. I love him as an artist. I think that lyrically this nigga was nuts. Right. But I lean more towards him. They're two different artists. But I lean more towards Pac's passion.

Right. You know what I mean? They're two different artists, bro. Two different artists. Huh? I told you. I'm going with Big. Life after death. Okay, that's right. That's right.

He said that. Radio or podcast? Podcast. Radio. Yo, wait, wait, wait, wait. How you going to ask a nigga that never got no radio play?

Radio podcast. That's fantastic. Hasn't Mr. Lee making these questions? Yo, wait, wait, wait, wait. How you going to ask a nigga that never got no radio play radio? That's man, Hasdy. Right. Has and Mr. Lee making these questions. Has. Has, see, I talk after this shit. You line me up, Has. New Jack City or King of New York?

Movies. New Jack City or King of New York? King of New York, yeah. Ah. King of New York King of New York yeah King of New York I go King of New York Okay New Jack City Y'all doing this on purpose now No we're trying to save you

So that's cool I got two shots I'm just taking them anyway At some point Tony Ye or Lloyd Banks Going Queens against Queens Fuck y'all niggas bro anyway at some point. Tony Ye or Lloyd Banks? Going Queens against Queens. Fuck y'all niggas, bro.

I don't know, bro. I got a drink. I'm a drink, bro. I'm a homeboy. I got a drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going home. This is the only one to me that...

Not a trick question. It's not a trick question, but kind of a trick question. It's the only one that I always feel like you should say both. I mean, you can't say that and then ask the question. That's some crazy shit. Loyalty or respect? I mean, really?

Loyalty. Loyalty is everything. With loyalty going to come to respect anyway, right? If you're loyal to loyalty, you're going to come to respect anyway. Right? If you're loyal to somebody, you're loyal to them. You're loyal to their feelings. You're loyal to who they are. You know what I'm saying?

You're loyal to that person, so you would respect somebody that you're loyal to. Am I right or wrong? Yep. I mean, it's really an individual's perspective. In case you didn't know, this nigga's a Harvard student. I don't fucking got all good ass. I mean, it's really an individual's perspective. In case you didn't know, this nigga's a Harvard student. I don't fucking got all good ass shit. I would say the easy way out is just say both.

Give me both of that shit. Loyalty and respect. Which is all that is. Wow. But if somebody respects you, that don't mean they're going to be loyal to you. Right. Right? Because if a nigga respects you, that could mean he even fears you

in your face. Right. But a nigga may do some underhanded shit that you can't see. But if a nigga's loyal to you, he's not doing

anything underhanded. Am I right? Right. Right, but if you get the option, as we're given, loyalty or respect, and you could have both,

I'm taking both. Right. Give me both. But you got both with one if you pick the right one. Right, right. I'm smart. I'm smart, bro. I'm taking both. Give me both. But you got both with one if you pick the right one. I'm smart. I'm smart, bro. I'm sharp, champ. You taking a shot for that?

I'll pick one. Fuck out of here, bro. Get off me, you know? Drink to that. That was so great. That's the reason why. Oh, man. All right, cool. We getting back to the interview. Boom.

Oh. Okay. I'm with your ass, boy. You know, I'm with your ass, boy. When the back of the studio. I'm with your ass, boy. What the fuck? When did you get that call?

He said, I need you to on with your ass, boy. I don't remember. I think you don't remember. No, no don't remember I don't remember Getting a call I remember fame Being on We was actually Staying at 50 Crib

In Connecticut Yeah Connecticut And he had a studio Over there We used to go up there Just chill You know what I mean

I like the stunt You just did What That was a stunt What I do Staying at the crib. The big boy crib. I ain't trying to flex, bro.

You can make some noise with that anyway. I recorded that record. I recorded that record in 50 Crib. So that was y'all record? No, that's 50 record. It's the remix. Well, they pulled up the fucking beat. You know what I mean? I just went Uh-huh. You know what I mean?

I just went in on it. You know what I mean? First thing, you know what I mean? Then we built the record. What's that line you said? You said, first thing you're going to say,

G-U-9? G-U-9 to me, I'm going to stomp your ass out with the Gore-Tex beat from Rock Lee. Boom. Somebody talk to me. I don't play ball.

One of the hardest lines in rap history. Because back then, we were just signed to G-Unit. Right. But when you walked through Flatbush, we had to wear the shit. Them niggas was going through shit out there. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So they be like, yo, G-Unit, you know what I mean? Nigga, yeah, what up? You know what I mean? You had to deal with it. I had a situation where a nigga kept playing with me with that G-Unit shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, the nigga play fighting and shit. Nigga, he ran and left his homeboy out.

Took off. How you going to leave your homeboy? Took off on him. Boom, stopped playing with me with that G.U. 9 shit. You know what I mean? So that's why I put that in that record. So I'm like, first, nigga, we had to wear that shit too. You know what I mean?

Thank you for saying that because a lot of people say Fang was going at game, right? Because he said the first nigga that said G.U. not to me. He was talking about

every other nigga that said G.U. not to him. It had nothing to do with game. You see what I'm saying? It was personal for him. And what he just said, I didn't know it. Just being affiliated with G-Unit. Them niggas was going through shit, bro.

You walk through the shit. You know what I mean? You're like, motherfucker. You know what I mean? I got to wear it. I got to wear it. So now, yeah, I got some. Yeah, let's go, motherfucker.

You know what I mean? Right. So that's how that came about. On what record was that? It said, Murder. One of y'all said it. I don't remember.

I got it written down somewhere. Hold on. Did y'all have a relationship with 50 before that, before y'all had the deal? Nah, not, no, no. So was it a surprise to you when that came to you guys yeah yeah it was a surprise

yeah well it was a surprise um it's uh i mean at the time and again that's another situation where um we did business with this person because they was a fan of mop right right it's crazy um i used to be in all through South Jamaica a lot. But I don't know him from the street. Right, right. So I only know him from in the business. But he signed y'all

because he really was a fan of M.O.P. Yeah. His son. His son. When he tells the story, he tells how his son was really stuck on Andy up and he was an actual fan.

And my family members, all from South Jamaica, when I go, if I'm going through Garbry or something, or up and down something, whatever, always run into someone, yo, you need to do something with 50, just before shit got hot, before the mixtape and all that shit. But I had never met him out there.

You know what I mean? So nah, just once we got into the business, then we started mingling, or whatever. and all that shit. But I never, I had never met him out there. You know what I mean? So, so now just, you know, once we got, once we got into the business, then we started mingling or whatever. And earlier I had asked y'all

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I was drunk as fuck back then. But, I was twisted back then. But, the first, the first thing I remember is going to a video shoot. I don't remember what song it was. It was Ma Deep.

Yeah, Ma Deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was one before that. Before they put that song together. But we went to a video shoot, and that's where I met him at. I think y'all had already met. You and Lazer had already met with him or something like that. We went to a video shoot and uh that's where i met him at i think y'all had already met you and lazy had already linked up with him or something like that we went to video shoot 50 yeah once the video shoot uh link with 50 and he's telling us his plans and all of this and uh the american west with dan flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else.

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Because everybody tried to make him look a certain way. But he's talking and talking. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm paying attention. So I asked him what was his problem with Fat Joe and Jadakiss. Right? Because he's a friend of mine.

And this is a time that they beefing. Yeah, they beefing because of, and they wasn't beefing. It was just whatever on the records and shit. And he gave me a clear answer, a straight answer. When I asked him the first time, he kind of overlooked it, went back to talking. Then I asked him again. He goes, you see what I'm saying, Bill? I go

Yeah, but What is your problem with fat Joe and Jada kiss? Niggas say I do what I gotta do to sell records and then turn around and walk away Finish do whatever the fuck he was doing over there. So I respected for that, you know me so what they didn't have no beef Basically is what he said, you know me. I just wanted to get it clear because sometimes in the business, you know what I mean? So they didn't have no beef, basically is what he said, you know what I mean? I just wanted to get it clear because sometimes in the business, you know, niggas start going, yo, you running with them, those your peoples, whatever issues y'all, they dealing with,

you got to deal with too. You know how this shit go. With G-Unit, they didn't sign them OP to be hired guns, you know what I'm saying? Whatever problems they had, they already was dealing with it. They didn't really need us for that, you know what I'm saying? Whatever problems they had, they already was dealing with it. They didn't really need us for that, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, we just came through the, you know, we were doing business. We came through, you know, did whatever we was supposed to do over there.

All this on G. Yeah, we were all, we was, yeah, just business. You know, we always going to be MOPs regardless to where we at. But Jay-Z said different. Jay-Z said now it's more, now the MOPs hired. Yeah, but. He said different Jay Z said Now it's more Now the M.O.P.'s higher Yeah but He said He said But Jay

He said And that's a whole That's a whole nother thing too Like you know We were Say the whole line Say the whole line What did he say

What did he say How'd it go More guns More fire Now the M.O.P.'s higher Yeah Like he was saying I got the niggas with me y'all

Y'all better back up Yeah But That's a song That's lyrics Right And it kind of issued And we don't know Jay for being in that kind of Shit anyway the niggas with me, y'all. Y'all better back up. Yeah, but that's a song that's lyrics, right? Right. And it kind of issued,

and we don't know J-Foot being in that kind of shit anyway, like that, you know what I'm saying? Right. He don't bring that to his music anyway, to his career, but even then,

like, we're dealing with Rockefeller. That whole breakup with them, that shit hurt us, bro. Oh, with Dan? Yeah. Did you know that was coming? No.

Oh, me neither. No, and I... I feel better now. And the reason why I hurt, because like I said, when New Rock was a pebble, we watched them build this entire shit. Wow. You were there too, nigga. You know.

You were there. We watched them build this entire shit. So to get toward the end of Rockefeller, I couldn't believe it, because we grew up with this loyal thing. Not saying that they, you know what I'm saying, we don't know what was going on with them.

And the way I feel about it has nothing to do with them or not saying anything about them. It's saying about us. So Jay offered us a deal. Right? No, first, Dame offered the deal. Right? Nah, we don't want to do that a week later we go up to def jam jay offered a deal and jay is on he's the president the

president of def jam so so i go i go i go the story i go, I go, nah, right? So the reason why is because we watched them build something together, right? They made millions together, right? They came from the bottom together. Y'all break up now. In my head, I'm going, if you could do that to your man, what could you do to me? You know I'm saying like to me niggas ain't ain't disposable Like just think of ain't disposable, you know, I said like a nigga that I come up with my entire life or turn shit into sugar Ain't disposable. I'm not saying anything about them. I'm saying that it's a sugar. Yeah, I like that

So make a t-shirt on I felt I felt like I wouldn't have been comfortable doing I'm saying that about that. You said turn shit into sugar? Yeah. I like that. Can you tell me? You know what I'm saying? So, I felt like I wouldn't have been comfortable doing a deal with J.R. I ain't with all of y'all. I was just sitting here like this, bro. You know what I'm saying? Put me in, coach. Come on, motherfucker.

Press the button, nigga. Let's go, nigga. That's what I was waiting for, nigga. Let's go. Yeah, but that's scary. To me, That's scary. To me, that's scary, right? If you can't trust somebody that helped you do something

so grand, so big, right? You know what I'm saying? That's scary. So I didn't want to deal with that kind of situation. You know what I'm saying? No, I don't know. And I don't know

what their situation was either. You know what I'm saying? But that's their deal. You know what I'm saying No I don't know And I don't know I don't know what Their situation was either You know what I'm saying But that's their That's their deal You know what I mean Y'all taking just shots Yeah I ain't gonna lie I'm just

He just skipped the line My bad I ain't know He ain't say Hey guys Hey guys He ain't want us involved Y'all didn't make no rules Y'all didn't let me know the rules

He said I'm solo dodo on this one I got y'all My bad bro Yo know the rules. He said, I'm solo dodo on this one. I got y'all. I'm bad, bro. Yo, but you, but do you understand how important you guys are to hip hop? Absolutely.

I mean, we know, bro. I mean, y'all know. Like, the other day, I interviewed Lior Combs, right?

And I was telling him the amazing things that he did in my life. Lior's life is so dope, he didn't even remember it. So, I'm, well, he regretted it. Nah, he regretted it. Listen, one of the things he said is that he regrets not filming shit,

not taking pictures of shit, not living in that moment because you think you're just thinking about the next moment. And it's true, man, because it should be so fast-paced and you hustling, you forget to live in that moment right there. And then those moments are legendary, but you don't remember it.

Yeah, like me. You see? I'm not going to lie. My Uncle Waz came with me my whole beginning of... Uncle Waz. Uncle Waz is a legend. Yeah, so he did the War Report,

he did NRE album, but at that time, we thought it was corny to take pictures. So this nigga been around the world with me, he got nothing to prove. He don't got plane ticket stubs. That's the way it was back then.

You didn't take pictures. We didn't take pictures. I was looking for a picture. I met you guys at the first How Can I Be Down? We got a drop. How could I be down? I got a drop,

and there's a drop. My boy's getting a drop from fame. And back then, we didn't say, can we take a picture? So the only picture we got boy's getting a drop from fame. Oh, yeah? And back then, we didn't say, can we take a picture? So the only picture we got is him getting a drop from fame. All right. Because we would...

Oh, that's corny. You don't ask for a picture. You don't post for a picture. But we should have. We got banned from now. We got banned from now. Yeah, y'all got banned? Yeah.

From How Could I Be Down? Yeah. I ain't going to lie to you. I've been on that shit for... When I was coming up, too, bro. What? Not taking pictures? Yeah, it wasn't the thing. Filming pictures. Or asking nobody for shit. Like, man, I ain't going to lie to you. I've been on that shit when I was coming up too, bro. What, not taking pictures? Yeah, it wasn't the thing.

Filming pictures. Or asking nobody for shit. Like, man, I ain't fucking with you. I just wasn't on it, man. But in retrospect, we could have been documenting ill history.

Word. We could have had the illest documentary with pictures and video and all kinds of shit. Like that first world tour I went on, we got one picture.

Holy shit. We got Amsterdam. That's it. You wouldn't get, we got Amsterdam. That's it. You wouldn't get Amsterdam. Like, Amsterdam. More like this. Like, I think it's one in Denmark, Copenhagen, and, like, two in Germany.

But we went on a world tour that we didn't document shit. Wow. We didn't know. Like you said, we was just in the moments, right? But back to my Original question

Do you know how Important you guys are To hip hop Like There's not a party If I'm in a If I'm in a party And they don't play

At least Three to Five M.O.P. songs I don't I don't like this party Right That's serious Get the fuck out of here

Yeah that's serious Yeah nah I don't Like we're We're real Like we're humble Right We're Yeah, nah, I don't, like, we're real, like, we're humble, right? We're humble dudes, man. So we don't look at it like, you know,

other people see it. It's just like your kids at home, right? You're just dad. Yeah, yeah, my kids don't give a fuck about what I am. You're not normal. Yeah, my kids don't care.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You're not normal, you're just dad. So we humble dudes so we don't see it like that. We appreciate it, but we don't, you know what I'm saying? We don't look at it like that. Well, the fact that you're humble, I'm we humble dudes so we don't see it like that. We appreciate it. But we don't,

you know what I'm saying, we don't look at it like that. Well, the fact that you're humble, I'm going to stunt for you. You guys are one of the best two-man groups of all time. Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother.

Thank you. And by the way, I swear to God, I'm not lying, because like I said, y'all my friends, but I tried to look for a whack record. Like, I tried to. Like, I'm not lying because, like I said, y'all my friends, but I tried to look for a whack record.

Like, I tried to. Like, I really wanted to be like, let me catch them slipping once. I couldn't find one, yo. I couldn't find a half... Let me be honest with you. I couldn't even find a half-ass record. Like, every record to me is like... The energy's unmatched.

Yeah, yeah. Like, even... The one thing with M.O.P. is that even if the beat isn't up to par, you guys are. Right. That's the ill shit. And individually,

you guys are monsters. Right. Individually. And then coming together is out of control. Make some noise for that. And I do think y'all rehearsed. I think y'all front.

We've never rehearsed. Hold on one second. Let me look at this camera. Y'all ain't this. Right? That's what's up. That've never rehearsed. Hold on one second. Let me look at this camera. Y'all ain't this. All right? That's what's up. That's what's up. That's what's up.

Hey, Orlando. I just want to shout you for bigging us up, bro. Nah, man. I'm tired of being on motherfucking joints where they be like, such and such.

Such and such. Such and such. All this stupid ass. And when he more. I'm tired of being many more. For his three letters. And all P's.

Nah. Nah, man. Y'all been deserve y'all flowers, man. And like I said, man, it takes nothing away from me to big up another people who deserve it. You know what I mean? Because it make me less of a man in no way, shape, man, it takes nothing away from me to big up another people who deserve it. You know what I mean? Because it make me less of a man in no way, shape, form, or fashion.

So let me ask you, for Alarm Blaze, right? Is that the Eye of the Tiger sample? Yep. Yeah. How the fuck y'all clear Rocky? I don't know. Blaze put the beat together. Bring Blaze in here.

He been trying to get in. Bring Blaze in here. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next.

You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next.

You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next.

You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. You next. The third man from M.O.P. Come on.

He is the dots in the M.O.P. No, Eddie. Yeah, get him over here. Yeah, yeah, get him over there. I'm drunk as a motherfucker. Yeah. I'm telling you right now. I'm the original drink champ.

I'm the original motherfucker. We drinking with you, baby. Look, Billy is like, man, this drunk nigga's next to me. You got that face. He puts the face on. I'm trying to hold the nigga together. You know what was with me when I made that beat? What's my man name?

You going to put your shit up there? Let me put my shit up there. No, no, no, no, no. What's my man name from the little white boy that used to hang out with Muggs back in the days? Alchemist. Alchemist, yeah. Okay. He hung out in the studio with me that day. I made that beat. Shout out to Alchemists back in the days. Alchemist. Alchemist, yeah. Okay.

He hung out in the studio with me that day. I made that beat. Shout out to Alchemist, too. Shout out to Alchemist. Alchemist is my brother. Alchemist is definitely our brother. What beat are we talking about? Fall Out Blades.

Okay. Yeah. So, okay. No, no, no, no. Because we was all over. You know, you're a little bit on the road. But you're on point, though. I ain't going to point.

You're drunk and on point. I respect it. Hey, hey, hey. Shout out to the needle, man. Hold on. So how the fuck. He drunk point. How the fuck on point. I respect it. Hey, hey, hey, shot for the needle, nigga. Hold on. So how the fuck-

He drunk point. How the fuck did y'all clear Rocky? So what I did was I played it. You played it over? That's not the original? You didn't sample it? I played Blood, Sweat, and Tears. That's in the Belly movie if you've seen Blood, Sweat, and Tears.

And I played keyboards. So what I did was I just took the note and I played it. So nobody could clear a lot, Rocky. took the note and i played it so that's nobody could clear a lot rocky i cleared it i played it so i did it as an interpolation that's okay yeah that's the loop you say interpolation yeah are you one of them smart too yeah you're actually smart and then how'd you get Hov on it? That record was already out. I got the original, yeah.

No, it's an original without Hov. We recorded it. We recorded it. Lee, move over. I heard a mixtape version. That's old. Yeah. Billy, you move over a little bit. I'll move over.

Okay, yeah. The song was already out. There's a mixtape version without Hov on it. I move up. I move up. Okay, yeah. The song was already out. There's a mixtape version without Hov on it. No, buddy. I remember us doing the record, bro. I can't have you. And this nigga there in D&D studio, and he hearing the record. And he like, yo, it's a four-long blaze.

There's only three of y'all on the record. You know what I mean? That's what I remember. Y'all want to know the story? Hold on a second. Wait, wait, wait. I got a part about it. Dan, you just dropped St. Nori.

All right, look. Look, so here's what happened. How did he say the story? We all take a bath. Here's what happened. Okay. The record was already out, right? Again, now J.C. is popping now.

Right. He's coming up. He's coming up. He's coming up. They're still building Rockefeller. Me, Tef, Fame is already on the record. Jay come to the studio about a week straight.

Yo, open the record, man. Can I get on the record? Let me get on the record. This is when y'all own Rockefeller? A week straight. No, this is what y'all own rock a week straight no no this is before I had to explode oh this is what I'm talking about okay a week straight he comes he comes he comes this is still relativity if I'm not wrong yeah he comes to the studio about a week straight and asked to get on the record yo he said I'm listening to him I can see him standing in D&D going yo man come on man open the record up for me can y'all open the record up for me I want to get on I want to get on the record up for me. Can y'all open the record up for me?

I want to get on the record. You know what I'm saying? So that's how he got on the record. He asked to be on the record. Just like that. So... Okay, so... Fucking hype, man.

Me and Dame was trying to do something called Rockin' Red. And we were trying to bring M.O.P. and Rockefeller through Sony at the time. This is early Dame. Red Distribution. Red Distribution and Dame Dash and I were trying to bring this back together. Why you going to just fuck?

Hold on. You going to leave me in fame? Y'all flat-leaver drinkers. I'm going to just leave me in fame. Billy don't drink. I'm drinking all the liquor for Billy. I had that shot waiting. Sorry, guys.

Here's the deal. So Jay came in. He heard the record drink. I'm drinking all the liquor for Billy. Yeah. I had that shot waiting. Sorry, guys. Here's the deal. So Jay came in. He heard the record. He wanted to get on the record. Premier was mixing. Premier mixed all our shit, by the way, just so you know, right? So Premier was mixing our shit. So the way I would convince Premier to mix the record was I would go out and make the record and bring it in and then blast it in Premier's ears and force him to mix the record.

He was like, this is shit. He is, I'll do it. So Premier was mixing the record and Jay came in and him and Dame was like, yo, I need to get on this record. And we, boom,

we let him on the record. And then that's why he's first is last. If you understand. Because, like me and EFN said, the record was already... I heard it. The record was done. The record was done. I don't remember, bro. I'm telling you, I heard it on mi already out. I heard it. The record was done.

I don't remember, bro. I'm telling you, I heard it on mixtapes. I've heard so much shit, bro. Some shit, I just. Yo, yo, yo, bro. I wanted us and Dame and Jay. I thought the best match for us was Jay, Dame, M.O.P. And I thought we was going to be on Rockefeller.

I thought that was going to be the match. That was us for us. Jay was Brooklyn. He on Rockefeller. I thought that was going to be the match. That was us. Jay was Brooklyn. He understood. You know what I'm saying? Most niggas don't understand Brooklyn. We're all from Brownsville. I'm from Saratoga Avenue. He's from Saratoga Avenue. He's from Saratoga Avenue. I was like, yo, we got to get with...

At first, I wanted to get with Steve Rifkin, but he was Wu-Tang. We love RZA and Wu-Tang, but they was like, listen, we're going to smoke dust and we're going to do what we do. You know what I'm saying? We wasn't ready for that. That's what...

I'm only saying that because Method Man said that. No, Method Man said that. Method Man said that. He said he bought it from Big L. That was a little bit left for us, but we weren't ready for that either. We wasn't ready for that. But I was like, yo. Did you smoke dust at that time?

No, I just smoked dust. No. But he popped, though. So. Never smoked dust. I'm from old school. Latin Quarter's Union Square. You used to smoke dust.

That's cocaine. You really want to know. Some sort of dust. It was dusty in that mother. Listen, wait. Y'all was here when Kane told the story About us doing, you know IOU dances and all that kind of stuff

And Kane told the story But anyway, beyond that Let me just say this I thought the best match was Jay-Z, M.O.P. Because he understood And I never believed that an artist Could ever put out another artist

Right And Jay-Z actually was able to put out Other artists Right You know, because I can't see another We black, right? out another artist. Right. And Jay-Z actually was able to put out other artists. Right. You know, because I can't see another... We black, right? We all brothers. You black too, even though you're Cuban. I'm Cuban. We black, right?

I never see... We can't see a brother getting rich outside of our purview. Like, you gotta get rich the way I get rich. If you don't get rich the way I get rich, then I don't understand you. You know what I'm saying? So Jay... So Jay didn't understand... Jay was the rich. I don't understand you. You know what I'm saying? So Jay didn't understand. Jay was the only one I thought that understood that. So Jay came to us after Fall Along Blaze.

He came to us and said, yo, let's do the deal. And the only reason why we didn't do the deal was because this man right here. And this is the most honorable man I've ever met in my life. Like he is such a solid stand-up dude. He said, the only reason I can't do this deal because I can't understand how you would move forward and leave your man out. Talking about Dame?

Yeah. Wow. Or, in the same conversation with Dame too. They didn't get rocked in? Yeah. They got rocked in? Oh nigga, I was rocking a Rockefeller chain in Harlem on 125th Street, blasting ether out the motherfucking, out the big seven, nigga.

That shit was fire, nigga. Hold up, that deal never happened then, never officially happened, because it seemed like y'all were on the label. No, we were on the label. Because I got white labels at MOP on Rockefeller. No, no, no, no, no. We were on the label. We signed a white labels at MOP on Rockefeller. No, no, no, no, no. We were on the label. We signed the deal with Rockefeller.

Oh, okay. We left Sony, and then we split. And then once Rockefeller split, we had to go. Because we felt... Honestly, I was on Rockefeller, too. They never gave me a contract. But were you really? I was never really on Rockefeller.

So were you on Rockefeller? So he just... You know what he's saying? I never signed a contract. I never sent a contract. Shout out to Dave Daffney. Dave Daffney freestyled a lot. Yeah, yeah.

They was so powerful at that time. They was like, you're on Rockafella. I was like, all right, cool, I'm on Rockafella. And they thought that was a deal. Did you get a change?

I got a change. You got a change? I got records of his on Rockafella too. Yeah, and it's technically not. But let me say this to you. Who was on the record on Rockafella? I actually, Oyamikondo was on Rockafella too. Yeah, and it's technically not. But let me see. Who dropped the record on Rockafella?

I actually, Oyamikondo was on Rockafella. But they got to put their logo on it. But in all actuality, that was a Def Jam record. That was the illest me and I ever had with Dame Dash. But Jay-Z was like, yo, technically, because I don't know if y'all remember, when they broke up, there was boys on Def Jam, and it was like Dame Dashboard

and it was like the Jay-Z boy. I remember that shit, but that's funny as hell. And every day, my name would be on the Dame Dashboard and Chris Lighty would come and erase it and put my shit on the Jay-Z boy. Yo, that's crazy.

But the crazy shit is what we didn't know was I had a meeting and he basically told me, he's like, you're not on the Rockefeller. You never signed the Rockefeller contract. You never did it. You're technically on Def Jam, which means you're with me anyway. So I need you to respect your contract.

That was the illest threat I ever had in my life. Let's respect what Like, yo, you can go to Def Jam. Let's respect what Rappaport did. They did the first time ever in history where somebody owned their business and got a deal. So they didn't have a deal with Def Jam. They had a deal with Universal. They were partners with Universal. And then they used Def Jam as a marketing company.

That is the first thing that ever happened. It never happened before in hip-hop music history. They are the most incredible people I've ever met, Dame, Jay, and Biggs. Now, Jay took it to another level, and the only reason why we didn't go with Jay was because, and Billy said this, was because I don't understand why you would leave Dame.

That's what he said. Or did Dame leave Jay? We don't know. Yeah, but the point is y'all built something from the ground up. If it could break up, what's not going to stop?

I get what you're saying. If you could just walk out and do Drink Champ somewhere else without this man, or you could walk out and do Drink Champ somewhere else

without this man, I'm nervous of you. Right, right. That makes me nervous. Now, let me give you my opinion. You see what I'm saying? I wanted to go with Jay because Jay was Brooklyn and he understood me and Jay said to me.

All y'all Brooklyn niggas want to go to Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah, we going Brooklyn. And Jay said to me, Jay said to me, I got y'all back, but I understood what Billy meant. You know what I'm saying? But Jay said to me,

to this day, I don't regret it because whatever we do, we do. You know what I'm saying? But Jay said to me, to this day, I don't regret it because whatever we do, we do. You understand what I'm saying? But all I'm saying to you is I am... I think Jay-Z was the right move to take, but I understood why.

That was legitimate, his feeling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Billy's... First of all, MOP for life. It don't even matter. You can't even speak on it. You know, you can't say nothing about it. So if Billy has any apprehensions, then we going with Billy. If fame has apprehension, we going with fame.

You're MOP for life. We should just got to make sense. We're all from Saratoga Avenue. We from the Hill as real. We are MOP. Like, you don't ever see me, but when you see Billy in from the hill as real. We are M.O.P. Like you don't ever see me, but when you see Billy in fame, you see me. It is what it is.

I think you need to make some noise for that. Yeah. I was going to say, I will say Nori is my nigga. My nigga, my nigga. Make some noise for you, man. Hey! What's your favorite thing? Making a record or performing a record? Performing.

Performing. I say performing. I say making a record, bro. Really? Yeah, because you go in there, motherfucker. I go in there with nothing sometimes. It's out the ether. Yeah, I go in there with nothing.

Norwin, would you perform Stomp the shit out? Yes. Hell yeah. Yeah. I want to do the video to it. I know. Fame was telling us some L shit. Yeah, yeah. That Yes. Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to do the video to it. I know, Fame was telling us some L shit.

Yeah, yeah. That's what I forgot. You said making a record because you go in there with nothing. I like to go in there with nothing and you come out

with that shit. Nah, it's just magical. And when you play it a hundred times that night, you know you got, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. You know me.

You know that shit. Can I say something? Norman, you're not giving Slap his props as a producer. I know. I know. Calm down. Cold as ice? Chill, chill, chill.

I got cold as ice. I'm going cold as ice. I'm going there. I'm getting there. You did cold as ice? Yeah, I did cold as ice. Let's go back to that. I want you to finish your thought about...

Nah, just going in with nothing. You got an idea of what you want to do. And you take your time. You put that shit together. It's almost like math, bro. When you add that shit up and you... It's math, basically. You build that shit up.

It is math. You know what I mean? And you come out with that motherfucker, bro. You know what I mean? And you, yeah, you come out with that motherfucker, bro, and you play it back. The final touches on that shit. Right.

You in love with it, bro. You could hear that motherfucker from right away. You like, yeah, that's that bitch. You know what I mean?

I got him. I got him this time. That feeling right there is an amazing feeling. I love performing, but just creating that record is the shit to me, bro.

Oh, yeah. Now, you said you can pick performing. Can you explain your version? I like the energy on the stage. Right. If you listen to M.O.P. records, it's almost like they're designed for performance. Yeah, they're commanding.

Very true. You know what I'm saying? But I wanted to hear you say that. Yeah, that's what it is. The records are designed for performance. Yeah, they're commanding. Very true. You know what I'm saying? But I wanted to hear you say that. Yeah, that's what it is. The records are designed for performance. And I don't know if it's something that we do consciously, right? I think it just kind of happens.

You know what I mean? And then that energy. I can remember getting on the stage for the first time where I was just a hype man. I was a hype man, right? That's how it started. That's how it started.

So I was just a hype man and we were at... Muse. The Muse in Brooklyn, right? I was the hype man right? That's how it started That's how it started so I was just the hype man and we were at Muse The Muse in Brooklyn I remember the Muse Yeah, yeah, yeah I remember the Muse

and I got on the stage we had this whole routine he go yo cause I had never ever been on the stage I'd never been in the studio none of this shit

he go yo I just need you to go out and do this when we go through it a couple times week before that I get out there. When I walked on the stage,

I ain't never seen that many people in front of me before. I forget the whole routine, right? I forget the whole fucking routine. This is before M.O.P. This is before. We don't rehearse. We don't rehearse.

He definitely didn't rehearse. Can I tell the truth here? Here's the deal. Fame called me and said, I got a hype man. His name is Billy. Billy Dance. He's the hype man. I didn't call that nigga hype man.

No, you did. You said, my hype man. And wait, no, let me tell the story. He said you called him a backup dancer. I remember the story. And he says, I go, what do you want to call this thing we're doing? He says, I don't know do you want to call this thing we're doing? He says, I don't know what you want to call it. I said, what do you call the guys you hang out with on 1545 on the corner of St. Mark's, Saratoga?

He said, we the mash out posse. I go, okay, let's call it MOP. I said, what are you going to do with Billy? He said, he's my partner from now on, and we're going to split everything down the middle. That's what he said. That's what Shane said to me. Come on. Shane said to me.

So, that's hard though. It's when a hype man get upgraded, right? That's what happened. Because I really was no Flava Flav, like I was saying. I got on the stage and forgot the whole fucking routine. But that energy from the stage, I like that. Bro, bro, bro, stop lying, bro. You was rhyming before I was rhyming, nigga. Yeah.

Y'all need to make up your mind. Who was rhyming first? Champion, nigga. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a bad motherfucker once. Yeah, you was a bad motherfucker once. Yeah, nigga. So let me give you M.O.P.

M.O.P. is the engine, the horn, the vision. That's all it is. I'm taking a shot for that. That's all it is. I'm taking a shot for that. That's all it is. Nah, I admire Billy. I admire Billy.

Give him a shot. Billy been doing this thing since way before. I studied this shit, bro. But he used to get busy since back in the day. Off the head. Did you guys used to go to the same high school with Busta Rhymes, too? No. Because Brooklyn got all the hip-hop high schools.

These niggas been kicked out of high school early. I went to Thomas Jefferson High School. Thomas Jefferson High School. Shout out to all y'all niggas. Fat boys. Shout out to Thomas Jefferson High School, nigga. Thomas Jefferson High School. Shout out to all y'all niggas. Fat boys. Shout out to Thomas Jefferson High School. Yeah, so yeah, not a high school thing, really. Just growing up.

See, way before high school, nigga. Public school, nigga. What you talking about? Yeah. This is public school right here. I had 55. I had 55 in the gym. 178.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's 178, nigga. All the way back. All the way back. Yeah, Bill always been witty with that shit off the head. You know what I mean? In the hallway shit, just hanging out. You know niggas doing what they do in the hallway.

He always had that shit. Because Capone is like book smart and I'm not. I don't like it. Now, I wouldn't. This shit is reversed. You were the original book smart. Yeah, he was the original Booksmart. And then he suffered up and he became Parker.

He suffered up and got the smart shit. I'm the fucking penis dude, bro. You know, for me, hip-hop, so I go way back with hip-hop. I can remember my sister's birthday. My father brought a record home and a record player. Now, you know, we all grew up listening to the OJ's Temptations, all of that shit. And there was this Sugar Hill Gang record, right?

And from that moment on, like, fell in love with hip hop. But even before, like, it feels like a week or two maybe, you know, so long ago. Would I be wrong if I tell you that your sister beat up LL Cool J in Queens? Tell that story. What are you doing? Get this nigga out of here.

What are you doing? What are you doing, bro? Yo. Te pasaste. But anyway, so when that record came out, when my sister got that record, is when I fell in love with hip-hop.

So maybe a few weeks before that, LL Cool J, right? So you don't know, but nobody really knows, but I was born in Jamaica Hospital, right? I'm a Brooklyn nigga, but I was born in Jamaica Hospital. It's a hospital. Yeah, very fly. It's a very fly hospital. My mother was, my family's from Queens, so my mother was going to visit my grandmother and went into labor. So that's how I end up with my Queens roots and shit.

But far back as I can remember, I remember living on Farmers Boulevard. Where the black rock? Yeah, where the rock is. It's red, black, and green. Red, black, and green rock. Yeah, the rock. Yeah, Farmers Boulevard. So, rest, yeah. Yeah, if I'm with football, I'll be good to my brother's stuff.

Rest in peace, my brother's stuff. I remember being mesmerized by this dude. Like, I've seen other dudes rap and shit like that, but I'm mesmerized by this dude. We had the Vegas thing, you know, the fucking big Vegas speakers and shit. He's running across these speakers, and he's going, ladies love Cool J, LL Cool J,

dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, right? I'm like, shit, this nigga's, this shit is fly as hell, whatever he's going, ladies love Cool J, LL Cool J, that, that, that, that, that, right? I'm like, shit, this nigga, this shit is fly as hell, whatever he's doing. He had a can go on? He did. He had a can go on, okay. Fly as hell, fly as hell.

Anyway, about a week later is when he put his very first record out. But from that moment- And living up my radio. Yeah, exactly. Okay. But from that moment, when I seen him do that,

that's why I'm so stuck on performance, right? Like, the way he performed and fucking, what was the video? I'm Bad? I'm Bad. That shit is exactly what he was doing and exactly what I tried to admit. That nigga had a lot of energy.

That's exactly what I tried to admit every time I get on the stage. That's a bad one. That nigga practiced before he did that video. That nigga was in the mirror. That motherfucker doing all that. That don't sharpen moves. Yeah, that's not no random shit.

I'm trying to trigger the story. His sister beat up LL Cool J? No, no, no, no. That's not the truth. L and my sister got into an altercation at school. They went to 238 together. Okay. Right?

That is in Queens. Yeah, yeah, on Hill Queens. Yeah, yeah. On Hillside. Okay, cool. Yeah, so I don't know what it was over, but my sister was a bully. I need a good shot.

So I don't know. This story is real. She was a bully. She was a bully. Only drink chance we get were MOP and LJ. She was a bully. She was a bully.

So she bullied the school, right? So I guess it was her turn to try to bully Elle. This is what I think. I don't know. I just know she was a fucking bully. Yeah, my older sister. Shout out to Fran. Fran, I love you.

Shout out to Fran. Shout out to Fran. Shout out to Fran. Most beautiful person. But yeah, so they got into it in the class. I don't know what it was over, but they got into a fight or whatever happened. I don't know if he beat Fran up or she beat him up, but it was so long ago.

You know what I mean? And L ain't no sucker because when it was time, like when my brothers wanted to get involved in all that shit, that nigga came to the crib. Him and Cut Creator or him and Earl or him and Bobcat or whoever. Yo, Shorty. Yeah. Yo, tell your brother to come outside and fight. All right, cool. Cool, bro.

Yo, bro. Todd down there. All right, cool. They go around the corner. They fight. And she was like clockwork, though. Did you call him Todd? That's what his name did.

It was kid. Right? That was his name then. That was hard. That was his name. I like how you slipped that in there. You know, Todd downstairs, come on. Said, come on downstairs and fight.

What's crazy is you asked about the high school, like the hip hop high school, and it's still some hip hop shit with these kids. Right, right, right. This is crazy. This was like, like, he would show up like every Wednesday, every Thursday and shit, like clockwork. Tell him, come on down the side, let's fight.

They was beefing every week? What the fuck? Yeah, it's lasted for maybe a summer or some shit. You know what I'm saying? Just fighting and shit, you know what I mean? I watched it. Shout out to LL Cool J. Shout out to big bro. Shout out to Big Bro.

Shout out to Big Bro. Take a shot to LL Cool J. And he always been, how we see him now. No, he's taking a shot to everything now. Muscle him up like a big strong dude. He always been like that, man. So let's go. Let's go.

Bless, bless, bro. Get my shit. Hold on. Excuse me. My first time meeting LL, my brother was locked up. Marcy Correctional Facility, right? Uh-huh. I went to visit to see my brother and shit,

and LL was on a visit. Wow. Visiting his homeboy. Wow. And my mom had a crush on LL. Don't shut the fuck up. Gave my mother a homeboy. Yo. Let's just say every woman in America Had a crush on L.L. right

Let's just say that Leave mama alone alone bro So yeah so So she's like yeah yeah We go over there we took a flick And I left the flick with my brother, bro. And I never had the flick again, bro. The nigga came home like, where the fuck is the picture?

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I ain't lying. Yeah. The point I was saying that. We need to get to your point. That LL was a real dude from the beginning. He never, ever, like, you know, when you talk about him being a superstar now. He was always the street But who doubted that I think you know yeah, we see the start now That's a megastar, but I mean I think people in hip hop didn't doubt He's a real person right he's a real

Regardless to how many TV shows he's on how many big records of big tours. He does. He's a real person He's one of the few people that I can say in the industry that is exactly the same. Him and that fucking Method Man, that's my nigga. I love that dude, man. That's a good-ass dude. He always goes to plus.

Let me get your weed, man. Come on, man. What you going to do with it? I got friends that smoke. Fuck them. Not like that. The guy that roll your weed? He's going to give that weed. But when he smoke regular weed, he smoke Reggie Miller.

He can't smoke that to Kyle. He ain't smoking no Reggie Miller. He can't smoke that to Kyle. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. You got to make sure. I bought this at the Shawty.

I tell you, Al taught me one of the most valuable lessons in the world. Wow. I was on tour with LL. I was on a top 40 tour with LL. Ja Rule, Ashanti, they all had private jets. I'm still on a regular plane. Got to get it, nigga. And LL had a prayer room.

He had his room. And then he had his family room. He had a prayer room? He had a prayer room, a room just to pray. And then he had a room to shadow box. Because he like, oh, something. And then he had a room for his family. So we would go everywhere every night.

These girls are going crazy. LL's throwing out roses on the stage, throwing out every girl in the fucking crowd wants to take LL down, but LL goes back to the room to see his wife. And I'm still young at this time. This is about 20 years ago. So I'm still young, so I'm like, L at this time. This is about 20 years ago. So I'm still young.

So I'm like, Al, what are you doing? You're leaving a lot of good things. The demon's out there. He's like, you know, I bring my wife with me everywhere. And I don't get in trouble. Know where I go. That's right. Wow.

Good shit. Good shit. Good shit. You're a smart man. I take that advice with me to this day. I like to go everywhere. You know you ain't going to do no dumb shit or fall into some dumb shit when you're with your lady. You know what I'm saying? That's right.

So Al gave me that, man. That's right. A friend of mine is here. Mitch told me I gave that to him today and that was like a great compliment for me. Yeah. He was like, you know, I and that was like a great compliment for me. He was like, you know, I kind of like that rubbed off on me to him, and I kind of, I like that shit.

That's good. I like being loyal. That's good. Being loyal is actually great. Yeah, it is. It's great. I got a question from the MOP website. They called, and they asked this question. They knew we were coming,

and they said this to you. They said, is Nori done making records? Are you done making records? I refuse to answer that question. I'm going to take a shot. Oh! But he'll answer in the next episode.

You're like, make sure you ask him that question, babe. You got a candle. I don't think once you I think once you make music can't stop you can't stop

even if you do it on your own quietly even if you have fun with it yeah like even just cause I sincerely believe that I know the sound

so cliche I sincerely believe that I would've still rapped if I wasn't making money I sincerely believe that yeah I mean I wouldn't have made it

my profession, but I would have still rapped. Definitely some new music on the way. Shout out to N.O. And it sounds good. It sounds good. We're doing part one video. I'm going to make sure

who owns those rights because as long as we can benefit off those rights, because if we can't, let's make a new record. Let's make a new record because um are y'all guys getting back your masters we're gonna work on it because that's what everyone from our era can i speak to that how many years it was your first album everything not just the first album. Yeah, I don't want to say too much because let me just say this to you. Take it easy, bro.

Yeah, I got you. He drunk. No, no, no. I'm going to say it like this. Billy's like, you're me 20 years ago. No, no, no. I'm going to say it like this. We don't believe in outing labels And all this bullshit

That's not our vibe We do our business We accept our hand That you're dealt And we work it out This is our bodega Alright We do what we do

M.O.P. is M.O.P. Right But what we What I know is happening In the next year or two Is that we will regain we will regain everything that's owed to us

and we will move forward because MOP is MOP and not very many people have that ability because they've all lost all of that. But one thing about us, we love our space. This is Billy and Fame

and Uncle Lays. We do what we do, and we're happy with what we do. Do you know where your master's is at? Yes, I do. We have control of everything that's happening, and just no disrespect to any label, because I'm not here to... I'm not going to take

a label's money and go, you're not accountable for the money. You know what I'm not here to, I'm not going to take a label's money and go, you're not accountable for the money. You know what I'm saying? I am. At the end of the day, wait, wait, wait, wait, I got you. At the end of the day, we are good. We are very good and we are very happy to be who we are. But at the end of the day, we know that the clock is your best friend in this situation,

and the clock has been M.O.P.'s friend. We sat back. We chilled. We didn't complain. We didn't bitch. We said, okay, time is going to be our friend, and at the end of the day, time is helping us to do what we need to do. So, yeah, we'll get it all back.

There you go. No disrespect to nobody. You Yeah we'll get it all back There you go No disrespect to nobody You're going to get it all back No disrespect to anybody Yeah Yeah but some of these record labels Are a piece of shit You need to be disrespectful

No no no no no no I mean let's I'm being honest with you Most of them Yeah Most of them I mean we got the That's a good people

No no you're wrong You're just Y'all wrong Y'all wrong No I'm I know I'm not wrong No no no Y'all wrong in this space New York homes. No, I know I'm not wrong. No, no, no.

Y'all wrong in this space. Meaning that this is not a piece of shit record labels? There are pieces of shit everywhere in business. Okay, then I'm not wrong. Banks are pieces of shit. Real estate companies are pieces of shit. Yeah. At the end of the day, MOP owns MOP. That's all I can say about that.

That's fire. That's fire. That's fire. No, but you got to realize, one of the things that I learned when I got jerked myself, right, or when I came into this game, is some of these people could die,

be reborn, and then they still not own their masters. Yeah. Well, that's how the, right, the music industry was designed like that, right? Because we was trying to get out the hood. Right, that's how the music industry was designed like that, right? Because we was trying to get out the hood. Right. That's us, right?

But the music business itself was designed for the record companies to get rich and the artists to become the stars. But even before that, think about it. The mobs, in a sense, started the music industry. So you already know it started backwards. Right, right. That's the reason why. Because you was management, right? I'm not a manager, but I am the executor of the situation.

Because that's the reason why people didn't like him. It's because they wanted to pick your manager. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? They wanted to have your manager. They wanted their inside guy. You know what I mean? They wanted to have your manager. They wanted their inside guy. The inside guy. We have Special Ed on here.

Special Ed said that he sold his publishing, didn't know it, to one half is to the record label and the other half was to his manager. Right. His manager couldn't have been

from Brooklyn. Right, right, right. That manager was a plant that they planted there. Manager or lawyer, he said. Manager. I think it was... Manager? Yeah, manager, I believe. So that's what I'm lawyer he said i think it was a manager yeah

manager i believe so that's what i'm saying that's how it was back there right yeah yeah that was the the early 360 right and it was just yeah it was designed for the fuck over man and like you said we was just trying to get out the hood so a lot of artists would just walk into it's like nigga when a nigga say he go twenty thousand dollars coming from nothing? And being as young as you were. Right, being as young as you were. I got $5,000. You got $20,000? I'm just saying, $20,000 is a shitload of money.

I ain't getting over that. I didn't get $20,000. My records is real. You got a penalty at that time. But we didn't, you know, that was a lot of money for some young kids. You know what I'm saying? For most people, that's a lot of money. So it's like,

you know, we're about to get this. And everybody's seeing tomorrow. Even though niggas don't look into the future, they always think about it's going to be better tomorrow. It's going to be better tomorrow. It's going to be bigger.

It's going to be bigger. Can I tell you my job? If you had a half good lawyer, that first deal that I signed, they told me, like, this is not the best deal Right

But I was like Yo I could get out the hood For this Yeah You know what I'm saying Like I kind of almost knew But I didn't know What publishing was

That's like somebody saying Yo I'm going to take Your oxygen You're like I wouldn't sell my oxygen But then somebody comes to you And say I'm going to take Your what is it

H2O How do they Yeah What is it H2O Is it H2O Or something like that You're like You don't know what H2O is You're going say it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is it? You like, is it H2O or something like that? You like, you don't know what H2O is.

You're going to have to give me something for, I don't know, I don't fuck with H2O. Why would I need that? So when they said for publishing, I'm like,

take this shit, man. I don't even know what that is. And then when I found out publishing, I could leave that to my kids for the rest of their life and they could live perpetuity for the rest of their fucking life.

How the fuck does somebody else own that shit? The pyro! And how can a kid like you even wrap your head around that at that age? For real! These lawyers are too close to the labels on top of that. The lawyers are too close to the labels. My job is to make sure that Your Highness, Lameek, Quashim, and all of the family of MOP for the history until perpetuity will have the control and the rights of MOP until perpetuity.

Until the history is gone, and that's what I'm here for. And I understand that it's a hard fight. Let the people know what perpetuity means. That means forever and ever and ever and ever. Forever and ever and ever ever ever ever ever and my you can't forget in perpetuity because they use in the universe yeah yeah but my job that mop right owns mop forever this is our bodega we own our bodega forever. And listen, at the end of the day, no matter what happens, Billy Dan's kids and Fame's son and whatever son, I know he's working on something. Whatever son that he gets will own MOP forever and ever and ever.

And trust me, it's not an easy fight. You know it's not easy. You know what I'm up against. I'm fighting to get my master's too. You understand. But at the end of the day, my job is to make sure that they own it forever. I'm from the same street they from.

I'm from 430 Saratoga, Brownsville, Brooklyn. When I came and got fame, that day his brother had just got killed. And I came to him and I said, yo, bro, what can you do? He said, I can rap. I said, his brother had just got killed, and I came to him and I said, yo, bro, what can you do? He said, I can rap. I said, well, listen, my job is to make sure for the rest of your life I'm going to be there for you.

I'm going to hold you down. And at the end of the day, that's what I've done for 30 years, M.O.P. 30 motherfucking years. Let's say it. Isn't that it? After 30 years, you get your master back? Isn't it 30? It's coming, yeah.

We own a few of our records now. Okay. And a few more years, we'll own the rest of them. So we just chilling. They nervous, trust me. They nervous. Yeah, bastards. But you know, I mean,

you always need somebody that you can trust, right? In any situation right but especially something like this like you need to have somebody around you that that understands you understands where where you need to be understand how hard you work understand the shit that you had to go through right everybody's not going to be 100 with you you know i know what I'm saying? Me, people always look at me. I got this thing about me where some people that know me go, nigga, you're always paranoid or you're always worried. Right?

I'm never paranoid. Right? I just don't trust a motherfucker. Right? So I don't trust people I don't know. Right? Right? Because you know how they say innocent until proven guilty?

Right. No, nigga, you a snake until proven not a snake. You know what I'm saying? That's the world. That's the real world. Exactly. So people tell, like, I'm backwards to most people, but it's the actual truth. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm not, like I said, I'm not a good gambler. I'm not willing to put up something that unrecoupable, right? My life, my freedom, my feelings, my anything that comes to me, I'm not putting it up if it's unrecoupable. You know what I'm saying? Right. So I'm not, I'm not a good gambler, bro. I'm not, I'm not into that. So anybody, like, now I'm comfortable with everybody in the room and shit, right? But when I first walked in, it was just y'all and has, and then I had to fill everybody else out in the room. You know what I'm saying? So that's just how it is.

So, and business has got to be the same shit. You don't know a motherfucker until you know a motherfucker. So you always be on top of your shit from day one. And let me ask you, why did you stop drinking? I don't like it no more, Nori, and I think these niggas taking, you know,

they take care of it anyway. You know what I'm saying? I don't like it no more. I don't like being high. Like, I hadn't smoked weed in fucking 25 years or something. Make a damn man die on the stage. That's why he stopped smoking weed. You smoke ice spice?

No, no, no. What the fuck? No, no, no. What the fuck is ice spice? I don't know. I'm asking. Like, why would you stop smoking weed? I don't know. I'm asking. Why don't you stop smoking weed? I don't like the feeling.

I don't like not being in control. Does it make you nervous? Would it make you anxiety? At one time, it did hit me like that. But for me, all it takes is one thing to happen, right? If a nigga say, if I go to the doctor, and the nigga like, yo, you smoking too much, it's over, that's it, right?

If a nigga go, yo, you drinking too much, it's over. That's it. Right? If a nigga go, yo, you drinking too much, it's over. That's it. First of all, Norman, you're talking to a Brownsville gunslinger. So at the end of the day, you kind of want him not to get hot. I don't like the feeling. I haven't had him smoking, smoking weed. I started going crazy, bro. I don't know.

Somebody slipped me some. Yeah, I don't know. Somebody slipped you some shit. I don't know, bro. You smoked a dirty bag? I don't know what somebody slipped you some shit I don't know bro you smoked a dirty bag I don't know what the fuck happened bro I know I smoked that shit one day and I was just you see niggas having a conversation on this I don't know I think I grew up with bullshit you know what I mean and if you smoke it enhances it you see a nigga whispering on the side you like you get paranoid you get hella paranoid and that shit kept happening. I said, no, I'm going to only smoke when I'm home.

Then I got my little son with me, a baby. I'm like, damn, I can't. You know, I just feel weird. You know what I mean? Yeah, I get it. I just had to cut it off, bro. Yeah, I don't want to be high. I don't want to be drunk.

That's admirable. Last year, I took two pulls with my homeboy. And he passed a joint shot to you, Anthony. And I, hell no. Damn, Diablo. He like, I want to. No, no. Don't give that nigga nothing.

Get out of here. Hey, bro. Give that nigga nothing. Two pulls. Two pulls. We want two lines right here. I see myself in the motherfucking truck, bro. I'm like, oh, shit.

I'm kidding. I'm like, bro. I'm going to take a shot. I told you I took an IV just to get drunk today. I took an IV to make sure. The IV makes a whole difference. You can't chew a bar. The IV is after you drink, bro.

It's not before, it's after you drink. Nah, man. Prevention. That means you were drinking yesterday and then you needed the IV. Let's be honest. Take a shot to the house. Take a shot to that, Jamie.

Take a shot to that, Jamie. Any gigs in the building? Any gigs in the building? I look like you're smoking White Owl. What the fuck is that? I smoke Swish's. It's White Owl's cousin. What, you roll up in that? Yeah. I got old school lungs. It's White Owl's cousin Where you roll up in that? Yeah Yeah, gorgeous

Boris rolls up to that Yeah, I got old school lungs Oh, okay It's damn near Philly Ah, yeah White Owl, El Prodetto That's what you used to smoke When you smoked Philly

I smoked Phillies, White Owl El Prodetto You look like a Dutch master, nigga I did the Dutch Dutch master? I did the Dutch When you smoked, you did Dutch master? Dutch master, I break that bitch down

Cut it open, however Yeah El Prodetto El Prodetto You know what the Alpha Duckto is? That's the green ones? Or that's the Garth and Vegas, the green one? No, no.

Alpha Duckto. Alpha Duckto. Yeah. Yeah. I ordered a Dutchmaster in LA one night. Give me your ordered one. Like, because I was on, like, 7-Eleven. Huh.

And it was, like, the whole 7-Eleven stop. It was like, you from New York? Yeah. I was like, I didn't realize Dutchmasters was some straight New York shit. It was like, you from New York? Yeah. I was like, I didn't realize Dustin Masters was some straight New York shit. New York shit, yeah.

Are y'all on y'all New York shit? Always. Okay. Always. Is it Tim's in the summertime? I got on Tim's right now, nigga. Oh, yeah.

Bullshit, nigga. Good. Bullshit, nigga. Yo, New York, nigga. Carol, that's some New York shit. Beating Broncos. We got to put them on some Miami time, man. Hold on. I brought some gifts for y'all. Yes, yes. Y'all got to get on some Miami time.

Let me see what you got. We got the chanclas for you guys. Oh, shit. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. You're being hired now, baby.

Don't you dare. You got my chanclas right here. Oh, shit. Come on. Come on. Come on. Your feet is hot right now. Those are done. Fire. I need these. I wear them shit in the house, bro. I ain't walking outside with slippers on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, New York niggas don't leave with slippers. I don't bring that shit, bro.

We got the t-shirts for y'all. Laze. I owe you, Laze. Laze, I got you. I got you. Thank you, man. I owe you. It's all good, man.

Yeah, I don't want slippers outside, bro. Nah, that's a New York thing. I do it. I do it. Let me stop you saying that. I be looking at my son leaving the crib. He be having slippers on. I'm like, where are you going? He's like, I'm going to basketball.

Slippers? Slippers? You wear that shit all day. You're my Amy Bonfucka. That's crazy. Thank you, brother. Can I say how proud I am of you guys for the work you've put in? Thank you, man.

Appreciate it. You guys have done it. I'm a fan. Nori, I'm proud of you guys For the work you've put in Thank you man Appreciate you guys Have done I'm a fan Nori I'm proud of you guys Man And you guys have done

Some amazing work I saw the Mike Tyson interview And that was like He had us scared He had us scared He made me eat a whole Mushroom chocolate He had my friend doing drugs

He didn't make me He didn't make me But if anybody If anybody's gonna intimidate me I'm gonna let it be Mike Tyson. It was almost like he put it in his mouth. I said, oh shit, it was my birthday. He's about the same age.

He's from Brownsville too. Mike is the fucking god. Yo, he is a legend. Hold on. I've known Mike Tyson before. Of course. We've known Mike Tyson before? Back in the day? Of course. We dropped Mike Tyson before. Did y'all know Mike Tyson before? You know before that.

I know. I know. You used to snatch gold. What do you mean? You mean in the hood? He used to come through the hood, bro. In the hood as before his career? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He come through the hood. Jerry Mike. Give out turkeys. Wait, but you're talking about after? No, but did you know him before? I don't know him personally. Okay. But I'm saying this is before his boxing career.

You see him in the hood? Right. You see him in the hood? You know what I mean? The big boys and shit like that come hang out and shit. Mike was dead, nigga. Right, right.

Mike was dead. I saw turkeys in the hood, nigga. You see Mike Tyson, you like, holy shit. And he's still the dude, man. In Brownsville. Yeah. Hell yeah.

Mike Tyson in Brownsville. Brownsville. Mike Tyson's that dude, man. Mind you, I'm a baby, bro. Never ran, never well. I'm a baby, bro. But nigga, I rooted for Mike Tyson. Niggadale. Mike Tyson's that dude, man. Never ran, never will. Nigga, I wrote it for Mike Tyson. Nigga, his whole shit. That's his boy. He cried when Buster Douglas

fight. What's worse, Billy pulled up on Lennox Lewis. Wait. We had Lennox Lewis on the show. So, no, Lennox Lewis. Yeah, you still know. He had to fight with Shannon.

He fought Shannon Briggs for the belt. Shannon Briggs. Let's go, Shannon Briggs. Let's go, Shannon Briggs. Let's go, Shannon Briggs. Shannon Briggs is dope, man. If you're two browns real niggas, you could not allow this. So, because Shannon called,

me and my man Moe. Shannon called for backup? Shout out to Moe. No, shout out to my man Moe. But no, he called, and the fight was in Atlantic City. Me and Moe went to Atlantic City. Me and Moe went to Atlantic City,

sat ringside, whatever, watched the fight go down. Shannon didn Mo went to Atlantic City. Me and Mo went to Atlantic City, you know, sat ringside, whatever, watched the fight go down. Shannon didn't come out on top, right? He did not. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. He didn't, he didn't. But, like, months later,

we seen him in the club in New York. Lennox Lewis. Yeah. So I asked him. I said, yo, what's up? I said, yo, why you do my man like that I'm just fucking with him though You know what I'm saying

I don't understand what that mean though He don't understand what that mean He had 15 niggas with him You sure you were drinking that I was drunk as a muscle That's a different way of asking He said yo it's just a business. Now, I know who he is, but nobody else know who he is.

So now niggas start surrounding him. Now we're surrounding him in the club. Nigga, it was a joke. Nigga, I was joking. It was a sport. It was Lennox Lewis. He about to at least fuck eight of us up, right? At least, right?

So, no, but it was a small thing, wasn't it? You know what I mean? I just let him know, you know, right? At least, right? So, no, but it was a small thing, wasn't that? You know what I mean? I just let him know, you know, Shannon, my boy, whatever.

Small shit. Let's go, champ. He got out of there in one piece. You know what I'm saying? That was it. And then he beat Tyson, too. That's too much Brownsville. Yeah.

But it wasn't Tyson. It wasn't Tyson. It was Brownsville. It was Brownsville. Yo, let me say something, though, right? Like, the fight, like, we got champions in Brownsville, right? We don't just have fighters. We got Zab, Riddick Bowe, Shannon Briggs, Iron Mike Tyson.

Zab Judah. All the belts. Zab Judah. All the belts. All the belts, right? All different weight classes. All champions, man. So, shout out to Zab. Shout out to Shannon. And All the belts. All the belts, right? All different weight classes. All champions, man. So shout out to Zab.

Shout out to- And then the rappers. What's the name of the rappers? M.O.P. Right? We can't forget M.O.P. Papoose. Uncle Murda.

Well, that's all Brooklyn, but Rockness from Hell to Skelter, who's a fucking incredible, incredible fucking rapper. Hell to Skelter is who's a fucking incredible, incredible fucking rapper. Hell to Skelter is from Brownsville. Shout out to my dog Thurston Howell. Thurston Howell, my nigga. Smooth the hustler, trigger the gambler. Can't forget that. Master Ace.

There's a lot of dudes in Brownsville. Take a shot to the head. Salute, salute, salute. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Salute, salute, salute. Nah, you got to sit. I'm watching you. You got to sit. Nah, you put your drink down.

You can't stop two times and not drink it, man. Hey, hey, man. Sit, man. Billy already cursing me out. Let me say this to you. One more Brownsville nigga. This y'all don't know.

Michael Rappaport. Oh, Scooby Rappaport. Scooby Scrap. Brownsville nigga. This y'all don't know. Who? Michael Rappaport. Oh, Scooby Rappaport. Scooby Scrapp? Brownsville. Damn, Scooby Scrapp. Wow. Wow. Yes.

Wow. You say Michael Rappaport? Michael Rappaport. Yes, from Brownsville. Well, I know his grandmother used to live there. Yeah. Yes. He told me his grandma used to live there.

Yeah, Benson Burgers. And y'all see Michael Rappaport at the bodega. You see him. Yes. Yes. You see Michael Rappaport. You say he's from see him. Yes. You see Michael Rappaport. You see himself. Yes.

And by the way. I didn't see him there. He told me. I can't say it. I told you. I can't say it now. But we shoot an MOP documentary, but I can't say it. Okay.

And he's filming it like he did a Triangle Quest documentary. I can't say it. Let's get him a napkin. I can't say it. I can't say it. Billy already cursed me out. He's going to curse me out later. Because he shot the

Targo Crest documentary. Yeah, but I can't say it. Did an amazing job. Shout out to Michael Rappaport. We're breaking the rumor right here. Michael Rappaport, the student of MOP documentary. We're breaking the rumor.

Well, we need to make Billy the culprit. I'm not clapping. I'm not clapping. I'm not clapping and I don't know what the fuck he's talking about right now. I'm already in trouble.

Like I said, Scorsese is shooting ammo. What the fuck are you talking about? He's Robert De Niro who's co-producing it. Robert De Niro is producing the MLB documentary.

Yeah, I'm with Chino's involved. This thing is through the roof. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This thing is through the roof This thing is through the roof Let's make it come to fruition I'm in so much trouble right now You don't even understand At least you're having fun

While you're in trouble And because you know why I swear to God man I know what good brothers You guys are I know what amazing artists You guys are I know what amazing people

You guys are So that's the reason why I've been always wanting To do this man Because like I said man You guys are one of the what amazing people you guys are. So that's the reason why I've been always wanting to do this, man, because like I said, man, you guys are one of the best groups of all times. You guys are humble. I know you guys don't really brag, but I'm going to brag

for you. I don't care what position I play on the team. I can even have the pom-poms. That's how much of a confident man I am. And you know what I can even have the pom-poms. That's how much of a, you know, confident man I am. And you know what I mean? I don't mind having that.

Thank you, brother. I'm a confident man. Thank you, brother. I'm a fan of your music too, bro. Yes, yes, yes. I'm a fan of your motherfucking music too. We're leaving it on y'all. No, no, no, no, no.

We're leaving it on y'all. We're leaving it on y'all today, man. I got to give y'all flowers, man. You know, I'm like that too. I don't give a fuck, bro. If I like this shit, I like this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. Take a fuck, bro. If I like this shit, I like this shit.

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Take a shot. Take a shot. Take a shot. I'm a bourbon right now, but I'm in trouble. He don't. This nigga texted me and said he got Japanese whiskey. Yes, I did. I'm like, oh, hell, I love that. I have that nigga on your own. I'm a big Japanese whiskey fan. Yes, I do.

You on your own. Hibiki, Hibiki. Yeah, no, no, no, not sake. Not sake. Sake is white. Can I take a second to shout out Fat Joe? Yes. Remy Ma.

Yeah. Busta Rhymes. Yep. Those are people. We love them. Steve Rifkin. Yeah. That's. Those are people. We love them. Steve Rifkin, that's our brother right there. We love them. They are so amazing.

And what Fat Joe has done with his career is one of the most amazing things I ever saw. Busta Rhymes on tour right now. What he did with Busta Rhymes. He's my brother. You all get busted as shit, man. Busta, this motherfucker. Come on, he don't stop. And he sound better and better and better.

He's amazing. He's fucking amazing. He's the best. He's one of the best fucking ever. Hands down. He's rappers, entertainers. He's not just a fucking rapper, bro. The music industry, hands down.

Don't just pin him down just to be acting. This nigga's not a rapper, though, bro. This nigga's a rap idol, bro. This nigga's a fucking. He's an alien. Yeah. He's an alien. It's not regular shit. Nah, nah, nah.

He's an alien. Don't die on us. We don't got insurance like that. And what's crazy is I'm an early in the morning person, and he's a late night person. I only speak to bus between three lunch time in the morning 2 a.m and we talk about it your godfather what we doing what we doing godfather this is amazing you ever have a session with buster he want to start at 12 at night like what the fuck i got a session look yeah every session i've been working with this nigga for years. I'm like, nigga, I'm going to sleep. I'm already asleep.

And he's just getting started. Because he's in the studio every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every day, bro. If he's not on the road, he's in the studio. Let's be honest. He could be the best motivational speaker ever known. Like Tony Robbins shit.

He could do that and he would kill it. And he would use all the weird words and shit. His combination of words is crazy. When I'm down, I just call him and I tell him some sad shit. I'm like, yo, man, shit ain't feel. So what you going to do, Carl? What we going to do, Carl? And I'll be like, all right, Busta, I'm back together.

If you look at Busta's career. I pray everybody have a Busta Rhymes. That's right. That's right. But be so much of a good person, I don't pray if y'all never meet a Busta Rhymes. the best. That's right. That's correct. But he's so much of a good person. I don't pray if y'all never meet a Busta Rhymes. That's my whole thing. You know what?

I'm going to put something in the universe. Siri or Amazon, y'all should fucking pay him mad dollars for his voice to be the voice of that shit. Like, when you talk to Siri or Amazon, it's Busta talking to you. Right. Like, what the fuck up? Let's go. You know, like, say some of your own shit. Yeah. It's Busta talking to you. Why? Like, what the fuck up? Let's go. You know, like, standing in front of your own shit.

Yeah. It's Busta. And then we used to have M.O.P. and the GPS every time. Every time they go to the hood, you got to hear y'all. Y'all never made girl records. No.

No, no. No, but they did it. This is what I would say. I think y'all don't even know. Y'all probably the most gangster-ass party records ever. That's real. Think about it.

We do make songs like, not girl records. No, no, no. We make stories like Blood, Sweat, and Tears. Women were dancing in the clubs. Shit that hit you. We do joints like that. We make songs. We're not just motherfuckers walk up to you.

Y'all, I hate them niggas. Yo, nigga, I just came home with my destruction. Nigga, I'm not that tough. My nigga, I don't give a fuck what you just. Yeah, yeah, but son, yeah, I feel y'all shit. I probably turn it down. We make emotional shit. I cry, nigga.

I cry. I've been through shit. You know what I mean? It's a time to fucking turn it down. We make emotional shit in the special. I cried, nigga. I cried. I've been through shit. You know what I mean? It's a time to fucking turn it down. Salute. And we make you a kind of fucking

salute. Listen, listen. Yes, sir. Hold on, hold on. Ladies, take a shot. Take a shot. No, no, no. You don't have to take a shot.

Take a shot. I produce dust like jizz just because you didn't know that. Yeah, but let me ask y'all. Let me ask y'all. Because every now and then, a person come up to me like, I did a bid to y'all shit.

I go, fuck. I shout a ticket to y'all shit. I don't give a fuck, bro. Leave me alone. What are they saying to y'all? Like, what is the fan saying to y'all? Oh, my God. And what does that mean?

Mr. Lee speaks. He says he knows somebody who's playing our music and robbing people. That's what Mr. Lee said in his speech. Yeah, yeah. I remember doing a show upstate New York, bro. And there was a fan in the middle of the fucking show. This nigga going so

crazy. We give him a dab. And he going crazy. He's so crazy. He's so in love with the music that we wind up. We like oh shit This ain't got a boss. This nigga, what the fuck? You know what I mean? Can I tell you why I knew how How About Some Hardcore was a hit? I used to go with my hat down. Nobody knew me.

You keep taking over my interview. I'm going to be honest. I know. You're changing up the subject. Hold on, my brother. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Finish the How About Some Hardcore. How About Some Hardcore was a hit. I used to go to clubs with my hat down. Nobody knew me. And I would watch people go crazy. Did you request two shots? You told me to take shots.

Okay, yeah. I want one too. I want one too. But you got, what you got? You got, um... Bourbon. Bourbon and a Japanese deli on it. Okay, I want to see this happen. That nigga's drinking every day. Don't lie to my brother, bro.

That nigga's drinking. day. Hey, yo. Hey, no, don't lie to my brother, bro. That nigga's drinking. I see what you're doing. And they'll be like, hey. Don't lie to my brother, bro. Hey, no disrespect. You ain't gonna fuck with me on the drink and shit.

I've seen your eye sweat. I don't think challenges should be accepted here. I've seen your eye sweat just now. Oh! I really don't like being around this many drunk people. By the way, Billy is kicking me all night. Listen, I'm drunk sober.

Don't worry. I'm drunk sober. Don't worry. I'm drunk sober. I'm drunk sober. That's what's fucked up about these episodes. Like, I get drunk, then at some point, I sober up. He sobers up

during the three hours of drinking. That second shit kicking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And plus, like I said, I'm in IV, so these vitamins. Yeah, he cheat-coded it.

Yeah, I cheat-coded it today. I seen that with Pop Daddy do that one day. He was just sitting drinking, and he just disappeared. Right. And then I went and looked. This nigga was getting an IV. I was like, what the fuck is that?

It's vitamins. First off, it takes all the drunkness out of your shit. No, it hydrates you. What it is is because liquor dehydrates you, so you hydrate yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you come right back and dehydrate yourself again. That's why when we went to the bathroom break, I had to take a shit.

I shit it out mad vitamins. Too much information for us, yo. I mean, you're going with me live? I like, let's take a shit, let's take a shot for a shit. Take a shit shot. A shit shot. A shitty shot. Nari, let me say this.

That was water, that was water. This is the last interview I'll do with M.O.P., by the way. They kicking me out of the interview. Nah, it seems like it's family right here. You got the dots in the M.O.P., by the way. They kicking me out of here. It seems like a family right here. You got the dots in the room, M.O.P. no more? Hold on. Let me tell you something that's kind of cool about this moment, like full circle moment. A lot of people think we film in New York.

We film in Miami, which I'm proud of because I'm from Miami. Yeah, you got to know that out there. Yeah, I'm proud. I'm from Miami. You can't let that room over there. The show was born in Miami, and we produce in Miami. But what's ill about you guys being here right now is when we was talking about gentrification, this is one of the areas that got gentrified.

This is our art district. This is kind of still the hood, but it was the hood. I don't know about that, bro. We rode through some shit just now. That's what I said. No, it is and was. It's still a mixture. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. But this was the area, Wynwood, that you guys performed at in 93 is the first time i saw you guys 93 94 probably 94 dj rob brought you to hoodstock at roberto clemente park it was a free show in the puerto rican park you guys was there we brought exhibit exhibit had us one single out we saw him and we brought him through that's a longer story but we came and when we rolled up, you guys were on stage. Right.

And it was the first time I saw y'all and it was right, two blocks away from right here in the hood because this is where all the hip hop shit, Zulu Nation had a big presence here.

So all the people in Miami that were hip hop heads would come to this area and this is where Hoodstock happened and now you guys are back. Oh, man. What's up?

What's up, brother? No, man, I got two shots. You got two shots? What are you doing? And we're back to two shots. You got two shots? What are we doing? And we're back to two shots. I ain't competing with you. I'm OG in this now. What you want me to do now?

I want to see what you're going to do with it. I don't know, but nothing ends well when it starts like that. No, no, no. I'm going to take my time. Oh, this dick. I'm at work. This nigga been drinking for eight years right here. Just in case.

Tell them about the book, though. Which one? This book? Yes. Oh, no. The homie sent the book. It's a mixtape book. I actually haven't read it yet, but I brought it through because I'm sure it features M.O.P.,

features you guys. So shout out to these dudes right here. It's a mixtape book. It's a book about mixtapes. I just probably showed them love. That's fine. They sent it over. That's fine.

And you know I had the single that I bought literally when I was a shorty. I bought this joint. Like, this was, and I was putting this on my mixtapes. I was always a big MOP fan. Thank you. You guys have fans in Miami like you don't even know, man. Thank you very much, brother. Thank you, brother.

Thank you, brother. All right. He put the knife in the wall that day. Who did? My man, Bo. Bo, yeah. God bless him. So this is a legit picture of what? Yeah. That's what happened that day. Who did? My man, Boobie. God bless him. So this is a legit picture of what?

Yeah, that's what happened that day. He put the knife in the wall and they just took a picture of it. He put the put the whole whip around. So Nori, I got two more shots of whiskey. All right, I'm going to take one with you right now. You ready?

Fane, ready? No, I'm not ready. Fane, Fane, we standing now. We standing now. Alright, Salo. Salo, Salo. Ayo, N-O. N-O.

So what's up with Fox? Oh, she's good. Oh, I love Fox. Make some noise for Fox. Make some noise for Fox. Make some noise for Fox. Make some noise for Fox. Thank you, brother.

Yeah, she's good, man. I just talked to her a couple days ago. Okay. She's in good spirits, she's chillin', you know, she had a kid. Her kid is a grown man now. Oh, wow. But that was the change for Fox, right?

Because if you remember, Fox was wild as fuck. She was gangsta. She was one of the guys, right? Right. I remember being down here. I don't think it was this area, but. No, it was this area. A fucking punch in the sound, man, in the head or some shit.

Drop in the sound. Fox was about the shit. It was the same spot. The old shit. Don't you remember? Oh, now I remember. Yeah, I left that part out of it. Shout out to Fox.

And, you know, she's in good spirits, bro. And she, you know, she's still moving with us and shit. Right. So, you know. Because that girl, we love you, Fox.

Recipes to my man, B.O. Yep, recipes to B.O. Recipes to Fox, that whole crew from the Bronx, the nation, salute to them. Yep, yep. They huddle us down. B.O. hcipes to Fox, that whole crew from the Bronx, the nation, salute to them. Yep, yep, yep.

They huddled us down, B.O. huddled us down. I love it. Yeah. So I remember, like, in the beginning of y'all career, it seemed like y'all rolled super, super deep. But then later on, it was just like, it was just y'all, Laze, and Fox. And, like, a couple others.

Like, I would see y'all as just y'all. What made the transition? That was, you know, we, you know, in the beginning, we kind of moving around the city. and like a couple others like i would see y'all it's just y'all what made the transition that was that was you know we ended that's you know in the beginning we kind of moving around the city poor nigga shit bro i got time to pay for lawyers you move you move you move heavy right you did the same thing hey relax when you move heavy i love my niggas bro bro you know i mean but When you move heavy, I love my niggas, bro, bro. You know what I mean?

But when you move heavy, something's going to happen. Yeah. Something is going to happen. You know what I mean? Too many variables. Yeah. Too many different personalities. It's smart.

As you get older, plus you don't do stupid shit no more. Right. As you get older, you think smarter. Plus, I don't want to jeopardize nobody. You don't jeopardize nobody. Don't get in trouble. You know what I mean? Doing dumb shit.

So it's smarter to move lighter. You know what I mean? It won't get into unnecessary problems. Right. Right, because you can't. There's too many different personalities. Right. How to bail those niggas out.

So when Lays get as drunk as he is right now, he's just going to be as drunk as he is. He ain't going to start no shit. He may stagger a little bit. That's it. He's not a liability. But... Even though he's fucking up the tape.

If one of the other homies get... If one of the other homies get this drunk... Right. They're going to go somewhere. We might get into a fight or some shit. You know what I'm saying? So, I'm always saying nobody's disposable, but sometimes everybody can go to a certain, you know what I mean, certain venues or whatever.

Is that warranted to growth? It is growth. It is growth. That's definitely growth. Yes, yes. But that don't mean you outgrow your homies though. Right. No, no.

And they still on their time. Yeah. Sometimes we do join, she be like, I ain't see you outgrow your homies though. Right. No, no, and they still on their time. Sometimes we do joint, I ain't see you in a minute. You know what I mean? Happy to see you, motherfucker. And sometimes they realize the same dumb shit we always doing. Right. So now they fall back and they just, you know what I mean, like this.

You know what I mean? Like, I ain't fucking up your bag, go get your bag. I'm just happy to see you, I'm here. You know what I mean? Can I shout out the original Mo Pees? Man, Pop, Bo, Bees, all of the original Mo Pees that's out there that not... You done started. Now you got to go.

Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Now you got to keep going. Go, go, man. Flip. Taff. Taff. Slick. Yes. Fucking Shaft. Shaft. Lumo. Lumo. Bo. You got to keep going now. All the original Mo Pees, I want to shout Slick Yes Slick Shaft Shaft Lumo Lumo Bo You gotta keep going

All the original Mopis I wanna shout y'all out We love y'all And we out there Doing this work We carrying this flag For y'all Brownsville

Brooklyn This is why we carry this flag We carry this flag For Brooklyn For Brownsville That's why we carry this flag You go anywhere On the planet Earth

And we say Where MOP is from They say Brownsville Salute to Brownsville That's why we carry this flag. You go anywhere on planet Earth, and we say where M.O.P. is from, they say Brownsville. Salute to Brownsville. Kept that going. Keeps that going. It's been well known that M.O.P. was a group not to play with, right?

Like, you know, no one fucks with M.O.P., right? But why have y'all never had lyrical beef? We'll beat the fuck out you. I think artists were intimidated. I think truly artists were intimidated. I can tell you my reason, bro. If I got a... I'm not talking about you, bro. If I got a problem with an artist,

I'm going to deal with you. Directly. I'm not going to do no fucking... I just ain't got the energy to fucking battle I can rhyme like a motherfucker. Right. I ain't going to do no fucking battle rhymes

and none of this shit. When I see you we'll deal with it. If we know you know I got B you know we got B I know I got B we deal with it.

I'm not doing no whole fucking bunch of I just ain't got it. Billy keep kicking me in my ass but let me say this. M.O.P. killed some era where the rappers weren't gangsters. The gangsters were gangsters.

And then the rappers were rappers. So we don't understand rappers that want to be gangsters. That's an ill analogy. That's the truth. That's the actual truth. That was hard. Stop you said all night. It's the... It's the... It's the... It's hard.

That was hard. Stop it, Eno. No, that was hard. Eno. No, that was good right there. That was hard, bro. It's really the truth, bro. That's facts.

That's facts, Laze. Hold on. Let me make some noise for Laze. That's the shit. That's the shit. That's the shit. That's the shit. That's the shit.

That's the shit. That's the shit. That's the shit. That's the shit. That's the shit. That's the shit. That's the shit. You know, if you, huh? Somebody got to move. What car? Your car. What car? Yeah, Suburban.

Here we go. I'm in your car. What's up on you? I'm good. I hold it down. Okay, okay. All right, we're going to move it. All right, can I move this?

Are we doing squat thrusts? Yeah, let me go. What are you doing? I ain't driving. I got to move the car. We doing a great break. No, he's going to the bathroom. I'm holding it down. Okay, okay. You want me to? Yeah you doing? Hand grab. We doing a prank right now? No, he's going to the bathroom. I'm holding it down.

Okay, okay. You want me to? Yeah, yeah, we good. I'm holding it down. What did you say? I'm sorry. The rappers wasn't gangsters. Hey, bro.

The gangsters were gangsters. The rappers wasn't gangsters. So what happened was the rappers started to be gangsters. The reason why M.O.P. came about was because I wanted to change their lives because they were actually gangsters. And I was like, yo, we got to change our life. We can't do this because it's the end if you do this. So I said, fuck it. Let's move forward and let you make music so you can not be the gangsters. But the problem is, now the rappers want to be gangsters. So every time

you name a gangster, he gets arrested in two years. It's ridiculous. I have never seen anything like this before. But Billy, can you answer the question that I asked him? Why y'all never gotten to lyrical beef?

I mean... it was... Who would beat you the fuck up? Can you stop, nigga? Can you stop, damn, nigga? Stop. Jesus Christ. This nigga crazy. I don't know what the fuck.

This nigga crazy. That's true, boy. No, boy. No, but... No, but that's not why. That's not why. It's just like Fame said. I mean, it takes a lot, you know what I mean? To make a...

Not even just any record, right? You got to put your brainpower into creating this record. I wouldn't want to waste my time talking about somebody, being disrespectful to somebody. If there's a problem, we got it. We'll handle the problem

when we see each other. You know what I mean? It don't make no sense for niggas to be beefing with each other over records. I like the energy when it's not me. Right.

You know what I mean? Which one? This record? I listen to them shit. Yeah, I listen. I told you I'm a nerd to this shit, bro. Right. So I listen to it. Yeah, I'll listen. I told you I'm a nerd to this shit, bro. So I'll listen to it.

Yeah, but nah, bro, I ain't got the patience for it, bro. I'm not. Nah, we got to deal with it. We'll deal with it, then maybe we'll rap after it. Right. But let's deal with it. You know what I mean? That's the time I'm on, bro.

When it comes to rap before battling, right, nowadays, I mean, we didn't have, I mean, every era of music, there was some kind of beef going on or whatever happened happened. Nowadays, it's so fucking crazy to where it's the rap battle or the rap beef turning to a street war. Right. And we losing. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's whack. Yeah, that's fucking whack, bro.

Look how many of these fucking kids we losing. Have you ever heard a record and you thought that somebody was coming at y'all? No. No. That's great. I never heard one. I heard a couple. I was like, that's me.

That's you. Just paranoid. Maybe I was paranoid. That's you, paranoid. My name is Fame. Hey, nigga, that's me, Fame. I was like, ah. Nigga didn't think about me, bro.

Get punched in the face. That's it. That's it. Hey, nigga, that's like, ah. They ain't think about me, bro. They get punched in the face. That's it. That's it. Yeah, niggas say fame. Oh, but you know sometimes, though. But let me ask you. Biggie had that famous line. It's my nigga fame up in Prospect.

That's love. Woo! That's love, nigga. Woo! Here it comes. Nah, he wasn't rude, bro. No, I'm not asking that, but you know,

it's like me. I was hyped, nigga. What are you talking about? Okay, because like, when Rick Ross said, I'm going to be honest, when Rick Ross said, I know Noriega,

the real Noriega. You got offended, be honest. I was. Come on. You called me right away, bro. You called me right away. Oh, no. That's not it. What? I'm lying? He's exaggerating. I ain't going to lie to you. I was. Come on. You called me right away, bro. You called me right away. Oh, no.

That's not it. What? I'm lying? He's exaggerating. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I'm not lying. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. Exaggerating.

But at first, it was like, and then I got it. I got what we did. It's not a shot. I told you it wasn't a dish. It's not a shot. From the first time you heard it. It's not a shot. I didn't think that.

It's not a shot. You knew that was big enough. But what you were saying? Nah, it was all love. What were we talking about? We were talking about the Biggie line. Nah, it was all love. He gave a shout out like Big used to be on my side.

Big used to hang out. It's not a true story. Right, right, right, right. But it's a beautiful story. You know what I mean? The way he put it. He just added your name to that story. Shit was happening.

Nigga, I seen Big doing it down the way, getting his money or whatever. You know what I mean? On shout-out to a guy. You know what I mean? So Big was my nigga. He put a story together. His homeboy, Halim, used to live right next door to me. Halim was like, yo, this nigga shout-out you on a song.

I heard the song. I go, it's my nigga fame. you On a song What I heard a song I go It's my nigga fame Of a prospect Now Now mind you I know big from prospect Cause I used to hang out In prospect

Oh But prospect Is one block From St. Mark's That's his one I'm from St. Mark's I'm from St. Mark's Okay

Yeah So he put that together You know what I mean But A lot of people was like You know A lot of people Was off You know A lot of people Was off and on

Off and on about it Right Cause he said But I know big nigga Nah I seen nigga fame Nah Nah

Not love With disrespect I was off I didn't say Yeah but whatever Whatever I ain't I didn't like

Here's what I didn't like I didn't like I didn't say Him He'd school me to some niggas that he knew from back when. Right? And I was clocking mine. It almost felt like fame was on some, in my opinion,

it almost felt like fame came to him on some Cobra shit. Yo, you better watch them niggas kind of shit. Right? Which that wasn't the case. So that's how I viewed it. It was a song. You know what I'm saying? It was a song.

It was a song. You're saying it's fictional. He just showed you. You're saying it's a fictional song. It was a it. It was a song. You know what I'm saying? It was a song. It was a song. You saying it's fictional. He just shouted, you saying it's a fictional song? It was a song. It was a song. It was a song.

When JJ Big died, fame called me and he was very upset. He was like, yo, this is amazing. I can't believe my man passed away. Fame loved Biggie. Biggie loved fame. Let's take a shout out to Biggie. That's my bro, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Biggie loved fame. Let's take a shout out to Biggie. That's my bro, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sure, Biggie. Biggie's my friend, bro. My friend. Yeah, that was his friend. I love Big, too, man. Cheers. I never got to meet him. He loved me.

Rest in peace, Big. Fame loved Biggie. And at the end of the day, Biggie passed away. We don't know the circumstances. But, man, that was tragic because I understand that Biggie would still be alive. That nigga Biggie used to drink motherfucking... This first thing he used to drink, Henny C with Nutriment.

Nigga. Remember Nutriment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had me drinking Nutriment. I remember that, though. I remember that. Ooh, Henny, nigga. Full to the ass like this. Full blown.

You know what I mean? Nutriment? Nutriment. Full to the half like this. Full blown. You know what I mean? Nutriment? Nutriment. The milky shit? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They think he was French for real. I got a stomachache right now.

Just thinking about it. I could go on to some other shit. I won't go on to it, though. Nah, come on. I'm not going to do it. I got you, though. But, nigga, I used to be in that nigga's crib. You know what I mean?

Like that. That's my nigga. Before he was big. Yeah, before he was big. Wow. I know. Nigga, I know his baby mother. You know what I mean?

That's how far. So you knew him pre-partying bullshit, all that. Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Wow. Wow. You too, Billy?

I didn't know big like that. That was Fame's guy. I'll tell you how I did meet him, though. Okay. I remember back in the days, we used to have the jams in the parks and all that shit, and down by the projects and shit. And I heard,

because you could hear the sound bouncing, because we lived a block up. They was on Prospect. I heard who I thought was Chub Rock. Biggie rapped just like Chub Rock. The breath, the way the voice came out. He sounded just like him. He sounded just like him.

So I'm like, oh shit, Chub Rock is in the project. So I go down the block. Him and Fame standing there, it was kind of having a little cypher and shit at the jam. So that's when I first met him. And then, obviously, getting into the business, Biggie was you know, having a little cypher and shit at the jam. So that's when I first met him and then obviously getting into the business.

Biggie was opening up for us a lot in the beginning. Wait, wait. Did you just say Biggie was opening up for y'all? Yeah, Biggie opened up

for the movie. That's fine. No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm just an alcoholic. My bad, bro. I'm just drinking out of it. Cheers.

She just brought a drink. I'm like, oh, my bad, bro. Come on. Now I brought a drink I'm like Oh my bad bro Come on We just Nah I don't want a drink now Big used to open up For M.O.P. A lot

That sounds so dope Yeah That sounds dope But no track together We did one joint With It wasn't our record Or his record

It was with Red Hot Lover Tone Yeah Trackmasters Holy shit You going on Red Hot Lover Tone Yeah was with Red Hot Lovatone. Yeah. Track Masters. Track Masters. Holy shit, you going to Red Hot Lovatone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Red Hot Lovatone. Holy shit. Holy shit. You heard that tone?

Tone, my man. That's what I'm talking about. My man. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Big, you should get busy. Anywhere that's a sound system, any fucking DJ shit. I'm talking about my neighborhood. I go to his shit, his neighborhood. This nigga would just grab the mic and just fucking go. You know what I mean? So big, big bend on this shit. Way before. I had big fucking, I want to say most of Ready to Die before it even came out. Before it even came out. I love how you made the tape signal. The tape, yeah. Yeah, look, I caught that.

Before it even came out. Before it had, because Juicy was like one of the last things that Puff made him put on it, right? So you had it before Juicy was on it.

Ah, that one. No. Juicy was on it? Yeah. I had a mixtape, nigga. Mr. C, shit. This probably was before you even made Puff or something.

No, no, no. There was a lot of records on that shit. He had a lot of fucking records that joined from Who's the Man and all that. What's the, what's the, Who's the Man?

No, no, no. That's Party and Boots. How the Rob was, come on, that shit a long time before. Yes. Dreams was Dreams on it? The one fucking

on R&B? The original though. It was the original before that one. Yeah, Dreams, How the Rob was 50s. You know what I mean? No, no, Dreams. Dreams on it? The one fucking on R&B? The original though. It was the original before that one. Yeah, Dreams. How the fuck was 50s? You know what I mean? No, no, Dreams.

Dreams. It was an original beat. There was a version of it. Oh, no, Dreams was on it. I'm thinking about me and my bitch. It was an original. It was a different beat. I had joints for him and ODB.

Him and ODB? Him and ODB. For Ready to Die originally? Before Ready to Die came out. Oh, so just joints he was recording. What? There's a record with Biggie and ODB? ODB?

What the fuck? Yeah, hell yeah. Holy shit. I'm not making this shit up. No, no, I believe you. I'm just... Nah, we're blowing away. Yeah.

And it's some Super Brooklyn shit, so of course. Yeah, nah. Some Super Brooklyn shit. Big it's some Super Brooklyn shit, so of course. Yeah, nah, it was some Super Brooklyn shit. Big is my man, bro. Big is my man. Rest in peace to B.I.T. Yeah, rest in peace. And to ODB. Damn.

And to ODB, that's right. Let me ask you, there was always comparisons with Smooth the Hustle and Trigger the Gambler. And people thought that there was a problem. Was there ever a problem with y'all? No. Never a problem. You want to hear something funny, bro?

I went to school. I went to kindergarten. Smooth the Hustler. Why? It's a picture. It got burnt in the fire, bro. Me, my heart. Yeah, for real.

Me, little Caribbean nigga. Church shoes on Fuck yeah Me and Smooth the Hustler Kiddie Garden Love and Action number one Fulton Street nigga That's dope

That's how far back we go See how close we get Shout out to Trigger and Smooth Nah they was dope Y'all was dope I never I mean me from

From where I'm at I'm like they just dope Nah bro And then people try to like Pin y'all was dope. I never, I mean, me from where I'm at, I'm like, they just dope. Nah, bro. And people try to like pin y'all against each other. Nah, that's the media bullshit, right? Right. So if the media was just like, I mean, outside of you niggas drinking like fucking sailors and shit, right? Right, right.

Everything's clean right here. Nigga just asks a question and lets you answer it. Right. Right? But the media, they'll try to spin the shit so there could be a problem. Right. Right. And then the labels, them job ass labels too, they need it to be a problem so they can create some beef, so they can create some attention.

Right. So they can draw some paper. Right. You know what I'm saying? Which is how East Coast, West Coast really started. Right. Never know beef with Smooth and Trig. Those are my guys man And I Again Like Biggie

Like I didn't know them As well as Fame Norm because They was They was On the other side of the hill On the other side of Atlantic Or whatever right

Still on the hill But on the other side On the other side of Atlantic And Fame Fame Was mingling with them For a while

Before I Met them I think I met Smooth At How about some How about Some Hardcore video shoot. Oh, wow. That's when I met him. Always been a good dude. I know.

Always been good with him. No, that whole crew, Christ, all of them, great, great. Christ, I felt was such a dope. Christ is amazing. Like all of them. I mean, they're still dope. Yeah. If you ever sang hip hop back then, you would bring your rapper to a neighborhood and he would battle everybody in that neighborhood jay-z talked about

this yes so what happened was i would battle everybody yeah i would bring fame to different neighborhoods battling back yeah and fame would go and just eviscerate everybody in the neighborhood and the only other person that i thought was dope Was Smooth the Hustler Smooth the Hustler was amazing Smooth the Hustler Shout out to Smooth Shout out to Smooth And Trey Christ

That whole team up there man Nah they was dope Yup They are dope So So Back then It was disrecused

It was back and forth But Big E and Pac Was like the first time we got to see it get real right I mean not really no um when cube left NWA that chick lynch mob and then they did actually got a little real yeah yeah but yeah okay that's my favorite shit so I can't fucking that nigga all I'm gonna get my favorite so I don't wanna I That nigga, all them niggas are my favorites, so I don't want to, you know... But you remember how that shit, that shit got real.

Q went crazy. When he was the lynch mob, and then against N.W. and EZ and them, that shit got crazy. Yeah, but like I said, they're all my favorites, so I don't want to, you know what I mean, speak on it, speak on it now. Right.

But what was... How was it affected? Like, because, you know, me being an insider it affected? Because me being an outsider looking out, did it change Brooklyn? Because I just remember me being overseas on Big East Funeral, but I remember watching it, whatever version of live stream it was, right? Right. And I remember just, like in Brooklyn, it just felt like, first off, Brooklyn supported him.

Yeah, definitely. That was like one of the most illest things that I've seen. Right. But did it feel like Brooklyn took a hit at that time? Of course, definitely. Yeah. Definitely.

Definitely took a hit. I mean, he was the, the biggest rap artist at the time, right? That really had Brooklyn on his back. You know what I'm saying? It really represented Brooklyn, man. So it was hard, bro.

It was really a hit. The Fulton Street was like flooded. Like flooded. You know what I mean? Everybody came out to support Miss Wallace and you know what I mean? And the kids and, you know, Faith, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, it was a rough one.

It was a rough one, bro. Right. Yeah, it was rough for Brooklyn, bro. Like, just because, well, not just because, but just me, for me, just seeing my nigga just come from, come from near like where I'm at. And this nigga's fucking livin', this nigga taking care of his family,

this nigga on his feet. He's the biggest rapper in the world. Yes. What? Yes. Shout out to Big. We out too. That was some fuckin' big hits.

But the love from Brooklyn was so fucking special. Right. Because, like, we get busy. Right. I ain't allowed to even. Right. But that's that nigga, bro. He actually fucking made it.

This nigga did it. Yeah. So it was, you know what I mean? That was the hit right there. Like, damn, what the fuck? How the fuck? You know what I mean? And that the hit right there. Like, damn, what the fuck? How the fuck? You know what I mean? And that was tough. That was tough. That was tough. And any, not just hip hop, but any life period loss is tough. And young life. Yeah, young life. We keep

forgetting how young these people were losing their lives, man. It's crazy, man. Yeah, yeah. That's horrible. Senseless, I feel like. You know what I mean? Did you meet Pop Smoke? Did I who? No.

I never met Pop Smoke. Okay. I never met him. I never met him. Okay. I never met him. You about to say something? I'm sorry.

No, I don't know Pop Smoke. Yeah. Yeah. Rest in peace, though. Yeah, rest in peace. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah, I I don't know Pop Smoke. Yeah. Yeah. Rest in peace, though, Smoke. Yeah, rest in peace. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah, I love what he stood for.

Yeah. He right down away from us, 10 minutes away from us. Okay. You know what I mean? So I love what he represented and everything. You know what I mean? Lil Boosie say he thinks that California is the murder capital for rappers. I ain't speaking of Atlanta.

Nah, I think America. Yeah. America. Is the murder capital for rappers. Damn. Right. No, I think America. Yeah. America. The murder capital for rappers. Damn. Right? Yeah, that's right. They ain't murdering motherfuckers in Europe.

Now, let me say, well, a couple things did happen. But that, right? Like, for rappers, right? All the, they're trying to, they're putting everything on hip hop or on rap, right? Like, this ain't have nothing to do with the music. You know what I mean?

These kids, these kids dying like this in the street don't have nothing to do with the music. There's somebody poking their fucking chest out because,

you know, once you say something on IG, like, it's like, when I see such and such, the truth is, once IG, once your live go off, you I see such and such, the truth is, once IG,

once your live go off, you got enough time to think, right? And niggas ain't no fucking animals. We all know some, you know, we know some people

that done did some shit, but even them niggas ain't no killers. You know what I'm saying? So when you have the time to think, you really don't want to do this shit,

but you done said it on IG. So now when you see him, you going to fuck around and drop him. Now his family's future is altered. Your family's future is altered. Everybody's fucked up, but it comes all the way back

to hip-hop, right? They blame the whole shit on hip-hop. Rapper, local rapper, and I'm happy, right? I call it this thing of ours. This hip-hop thing of ours, I'm happy to see young niggas making money like our people, right? Because this is the only shit that belong to us, right? You can take the sports franchises.

You can take the fucking billion-dollar tech companies. And together, collectively, the motherfuckers ain't been able to secure as many homes in the urban community as hip-hop has, right? So this thing of ours is serious, so I'm happy about the young dudes making money and all that shit, right? But everybody's not a rapper,

right? And I'm not saying they can't rap, but if a nigga ain't officially a rapper, why do you gotta be called a rapper? Right? So when you go on the news, it's like local rapper such and such got shot at such and such. It's like everybody that gets shot is a fucking

rapper, but they were trying to rap. And I don't want to take it from them. I hope everybody get on and get their blessings, but stop pointing that shit at hip-hop, man. That shit ain stop pointing that shit at hip hop, man. That shit ain't, that ain't got to do

with the music, bro. You know what I mean? For real. Nothing to do with the music. And, let me ask you something. At one point, when you were a rapper,

the drug dealers protected you, the police officers didn't give you tickets. Like, at one point, at one point, you were proud to say,

I'm a rapper. Like, right now, I get pulled over. I want to say I'm a drug dealer. Like, I get pulled over. Like, what the fuck? Like, officer? Yeah, I sell crack on Saturdays.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I was like, what? You take that in the brain. Yeah. Right. I'm a drug dealer. Oh, yeah, I was on a plane

in first class. They was like, what do you do? I was like, I sell crack. OK. That's what they wanted to hear anyway. That's what they wanted to hear. But I remember, you remember, Billy, at one point, you could say you're a rapper.

That was a respectable profession. Everybody, the local drug dealers, everybody, the police officers respected you. Now, if you get pulled over, you say you're a rapper, they say, I'm checking you for guns. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, of course we remember. But that was our era. Right. It was positive. Now, if you get pulled over, you say you're a rapper. They say, I'm checking you for guns. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Of course we remember.

But that was our era. Right. That was our era. And our heyday, right? Right. I don't know how many times I got pulled over and got slapped with a warning or some shit. I got pulled over. I used to keep a motherfucking magazine in my car.

I had no license. I got pulled over. It was me, right? Word to mother. Oh, the sauce wasn't real? That was your license? a motherfucking magazine in my car. I ain't got no license. I can pull it over. Look at this knee right here. Word of mother. Oh, the sauce? That was your license? I got my passport, though. That's it.

I'm going to start doing that. Shout out to Hip Hop Media. Yeah, no, I ain't going to lie. They'll be like, yo, all right, take my card, bro. If you need security, let me know. What? They don't want no security. Holy shit.

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We were in D&D. Yeah, I was in D&D. He was in D&D when he sent it over. Yeah, I was in D&D. Yeah. Beat was fire. The feel. You know, I mean, because he was, you know, his hook game was so on point, especially then.

He was like a fucking killer hook. So I don't even know. I don't know who produced the beat, but, easy record to do. You know what I mean? We was in gear. As I said,

we was in the studio anyway, so he sent it over, banged it out real quick. That's when we first signed in the G unit. That's when we first signed to G unit. Yeah,

he sent that joint out. Yeah. I don't even think we had signed at that point. I think we were just kind of talking, kicking it a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, we was vib at that point. I think we were just kind of... Talking? Negotiating. Kicking it a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, we was vibing with each other. No, matter of fact, he signed like two joints. Two or three joints. Yeah. So like two or three joints. And that was one of them. Yeah, that was one of them.

Okay. Yeah. That's one of my favorite records, too. That shit is fire. Yeah, it's fire. That shit is fire, yo. Now, we got to go back to... Cold as Ice.

Yeah, Cold as Ice. I didn't realize that you produced it. And that, to me, is one of the illest records out there. The sample's Foreigner? Foreigner, yeah. You know, it's funny. Actually, down here somewhere, I was managing this group, Mayday, and we was renting a spot from the son of the dude from Foreigner. Mark Ronson?er. Chris Jones.

Mark Ronson? Is it Mark Ronson? No. Who is it? Chris Jones. I don't know who it was. It was one of the dudes from Foreigner. When I found out,

all I thought about was that record. One day, me and Laze, we got a meeting up at Relativity Records. Let's make some noise for Laze again. Yeah, yeah. Happy for that drink chance. I love when a nigga be like, I'm going to fuck with you. Nori has to be looking at you like, yeah, I got it. Y'all saw Nori when we were ready to compete.

I did, I did. I didn't say nothing. We were walking over there and shit. And they said, I told you I'm a to compete. I did. I didn't say nothing. We were walking over there and shit. And I told you I'm a fucking nerd. I see a fucking pile of records, right? In the rain. In the rain? Yeah, in the rain.

It's raining and shit. You know how niggas love a nigga trash? He's my motherfucking treasure. Right. You know what I mean? Scoop them shits up, throw them fucking plastic bags. You got some niggas that go fucking record shopping and all that shit. That shit is cool.

I have done it, too. I have done it, too. But I like to be surprised. I like to just go through shit and find shit and just be surprised. I don't know who the fuck made it. You know what I mean? I just write down who made the record, you know what I mean, in my files. Anyway, I found this record in the rain.

In the rain. I take it home. I take it home. I take it home. Fucking throw out the fucking records. Let it throw out. You know what I mean? I put that shit on, and I find cold as ice. You know what I mean?

Now, this is when I first got my machine. I'm going crazy. I got my new apartment. What machine? Fucking MPC 2000. MPC 2000. I got my turntable, my fucking little equalizer, all that shit. I throw that shit on the pro,

that one fucking keyboard, and I put that bitch together. This floppy this days, nigga. Yeah. Floppy this. Floppy this. Those are terrible times too. You had to put a million dicks to load up a cartridge. Yeah. But I found that motherfucker in the machine, yeah. You had to put a little bit of this to load up. Yeah.

But I found that motherfucker in the rain, bro. Wow. And then the weird story is, the former dude, I met him. I finally met him face-to-face and shit. And I told him the same story. And I hear myself telling the story. I'm like, oh, shit. I should have told him I found your record in the rain. His record was shit. Your record was right there like.

On 6th Avenue. It is what it is. You broke him back to life. He showed up to the video and everything too. Well we did two videos for it though. The first video he showed up to it. Wow let's take a shot. That record. Yeah. Yo. Yo. Yo. I love that record, man.

Salud. Blech. Yeah. Cheers, cheers. There you go. Yo, jeez, please. I didn't know you produced that, though. Yeah.

I do shit. I don't know. I didn't produce the, uh, not the whole thing. You produced for other people? Huh? Other people you produced? I can't remember. Who did our record that we did together?

We don't know. You should know, bro. Google it, Haz. Google it. I don't know. Yeah, we was all drunk back then. Drunk as fuck. Like, ridiculous, too.

I wanted to say you did it. No, I didn't. Was it D.R.? Was it D.R. Ferris? It sounded like it could have a D. Dior bounce to it, though, right? You should know your fucking... Yo, not for nothing. But you got no more of them.

He's going to Google it. He'll find out. But not for nothing. A CNN MOP tour. Album. Album and tour. Would be crazy. I would love to do that.

That would be nuts. That would be crazy. I would love to do that, yeah. Maybe an EP or whatever. Just something. And then tour? And and tour. Would be crazy. I would love to do that. That would be nuts. That would be crazy. I would love to do that, yeah. Maybe an EP or whatever. Just something. And then tour? And a tour. The joint you did.

Anytime, bro. I would love to do it. Yeah, let's go. Let's make some noise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime. You can name them all P's. I ain't gonna lie,

because I didn't hear the record in so long. And like I said, when I was going through this, once I called y'all, because I wanted people to know I called M.O.P. Yep know I call M.O.P. I wanted M.O.P. on there. You know what I mean?

That takes nothing away from me as a man. This is what I wanted to do. This is what we wanted to do. I mean, you're going to take away the years that we've all been trying to do? No, no, no. That's it. Me? You know what I'm saying?

Recently, recently, recently, I was just like, you know what? You know, we see you at the BET Awards. Yeah, a year ago, yep. And I remember making sure I had the right numbers. And I was just like, yo, I just really, really, really wanted to do this. But I hadn't heard the record. I hadn't heard it in so long. I just heard it today, so.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's phenomenal. When I discovered your discography I just Instinctively didn't Want to hear that record Because I wanted to hear Y'all I wanted to be About y'all

Right But then when I came here And it was crazy The minute we actually Played it I was like Yo let's hear The record that

Me and Capone Got with them And then they said Yo M.O.P. Just drove up And I was just like Oh shit That's exactly

How life works Yeah Like we was listening To your whole other shit before that, but then as y'all drive up, it's that record, and I was like, you know what, I still wouldn't have wanted to film the video out here if we was to do it. We gotta be in New York. We gotta go back home, baby.

Nah, you gotta go back home. We gotta go back home. We gotta go back home. And let's be honest. You know, we play music before the guest gets here. We play and we get in the vibe. Yeah. We had meth not too long ago.

A couple weeks ago, a week ago. And we was playing all Wu-Tang meth joints. And we was, yo, the energy was good. And you guys matched that same energy that we felt. Same energy. Which we hadn't felt in a while, like that energy. Right, dope. Listening to the guest music before they got here.

That's dope. And then you got to remember, like for me, anybody that came up before me is like, I wanted to match that energy. Right. I wanted to do that. And man, you guys are true legends, man. You guys are really, really icons.

Thank you. You guys really deserve these flowers. Same shit to you, bro. No, no, no, no, fuck me. Listen, listen, listen. Let me leave it about y'all because this is sincerely necessary and it's sincerely deserved. You know what I mean? It's deserved, man. Like, in a lot of ways, you know, that two-man group shit, you know, from EPMD.

I loved how you gave us the EPMD, but we're all a part of that shit. You know what I mean? We're all a part. Me, EPMD, you guys, Mobb Deep. Dog Pound. You know, Dog Pound. There's a three-man group thing, too. And it's big up the Migos and it's big up the Lox.

But it's something special about a two-man group. I always used to say sometimes, I was like, yo, me and Capone got just as much fucking personality as fucking nine niggas in Wu-Tang. It's the same fucking kind of like hardness, like how to get them nine niggas in Wu-Tang. It's the same fucking kind of like hardness, like how to get them nine niggas together. Sometimes me and Capone was on a different level so much that it might have felt like it was nine people of us. You know what I mean? The one thing I always love about y'all

is I never heard a rumor one time that me and Capone fell out. There's documented of Havoc saying certain things about Prodigy. There's never nothing documented about y'all two. Nah. First of all,

again, we're not a rap group. We just happen to know how to do this shit. You know what I mean? And we do it together. Right. But most people are really, like, put together. Like, I don't know you and Pone's story, right? Like, I know where you from, and I know where he from.

I don't know if y'all mingled as kids or whatever. No, we just barfed it. Right, right, right, right. Then the jazz. All right, so, okay, cool. So, younger, but... Yeah, yeah. Didn't grow up together. Right, still two different hoods, right, right. Then the jazz. All right, so, okay, cool. So younger, but... Yeah, yeah. Didn't grow up together.

Right, still two different hoods, right? I don't know the full Mobb Deep story. I don't know everybody's story. I just know our story. You know what I'm saying? Like, we just, we're not a rap group. So even if rap didn't happen, we would still be hanging out together.

Right. Because we started out like that. You know what I'm saying? So it's much different. It we started out like that. You know what I'm saying? So it's much different. It's not like everybody else. You know what I mean? That's what's really unique about M.O.P. because you go, yo, your lyrics is crazy and da-da-da-da, nigga.

It's only a certain amount of words in the English language, nigga. So what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? And then fuck all of that. This is like real shit right here. This is not no put-together shit. And I'm not trying to disrespect anybody else. I is like real shit right here. This is not no put together shit. And I'm not trying to disrespect anybody else. I'm just, I'm giving it up for what we have.

Take a shot to that. Cheers, cheers, cheers, cheers. Now one of the craziest things in my career was seeing people get married to my music. And the foulest version of my music, too. You played the shit. Have you ever seen somebody get married to your music? I don't. I'm not saying.

I have gotten requests for fucking performing that. Yeah, we did. We did. Who you talking to? That nigga laugh. I ain't talking to you. What's up? What's up? That nigga. We did. Who you talking to, nigga? That nigga laugh. I ain't talking to you. What's up? What's up?

What's up? Yo, that nigga hit. No, we don't. No, I'm good. I'm good. We don't do shit. We don't. Well, we did one in Long Island.

That shit? Oh, yeah. Just not even so long ago. But wasn't it? It was like a reception. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit was awesome. Yeah, what was that like? Tell me, tell me. Go on. It was like a reception. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit was awesome. Yeah, what was that like?

All right, tell me, tell me. Go on. It was Long Island. I forget what kind of venue it was, but, and Sticky was out there, too. Sticky Fingers. So this nigga had M.O.P. And Sticky Fingers. And Sticky Fingers

for four men's wedding. Whoever he is, he's gully like a moth. Right, right, right, right. It might have been she. It might have been she that wanted it that's why we're the lady you said he it might have been right right yeah but yeah that um nothing else like no no i mean you know playing uh andy up in the white house and shit like that d nice did that

which was wow he told the story of how i was playing Andy up in the White House and shit like that. D-Nice did that, which was weird. He told a story of how Naomi Campbell walked up on him while he was spinning at the White House. And she goes, dude. I'm trying to find an accent. Dude. We got it. And she's like, yo, why are you playing it so safe? Like, play that shit. Like, she's from London, so she's like Yo why are you playing It so safe Like play that shit

Like she from She from London So she's on that Shit So he just threw the shit on And the White House They went buck The White House went up

You know what I'm saying So Which was great You know what I'm saying Something like For some shit like that to happen Rather it was a mistake or not Nah that shows you

Where hip hop has gone man Exactly Nah, that shows you where hip-hop has gone, man. Exactly. So you're telling me Naomi Campbell came up to D-Nice in the White House and said play Annie up? Let's make some noise for Naomi Campbell. Stop playing and say it.

I don't know. He must have been playing Luther Vandross. I don't know. Some kind of cool music, buddy. Shout out to D-Nice. Shout out to D-Nice. Take it in there. Lou, brother.

Lou, brother. Yo, wait. So, wait a minute. So, you got Hanny up played in the White House? Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. Let me say something.

We're a fucking big deal, okay? Hell yeah. I'm definitely. Come on, fame. deal okay but still not cocky still grounded you know yeah yeah but being able to come from Brownsville and travel the world five times, bro. You know it. Like, where are we from? Like, these areas. I don't know where you get these five time numbers, nigga. We're going on six now, nigga. What are you going on six now? We travel a lot, bro. So to come from where we come from to be able to travel like this and live out our dream, like, you know what I'm saying?

This is crazy. That's what makes me rich, right? When I see people on the internet and they start talking about how some other artist got more money than you and you don't have this. Nigga, you understand how fucking rich I am? You were voted the most likely to be dead or in jail. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm low, nigga. And all the tuitions got paid. You know what I'm saying? So we good. Like I was saying that earlier and I was saying that my friend Mitch, like I've really been all around the world. Like I've really been there. And most of the time, like I said earlier was

I didn't document it. Because I just felt like it was going to be here for the rest of my life. Well, it wasn't this easy either, right? Right. We didn't have those. So it wasn't that easy. Yes. I remember chasing around fucking, what was the first year we, the Gavin, the Gavin, right? I remember chasing around.

Oh, the convention. Yeah. The Gavin convention. Chasing around MC8 with a fucking disposable camera. I thought an MC8 was the dopest one. With the yellow one? Yeah, the yellow one. The yellow cardboard box. Something was wanted. Yeah, I know an MTA was the dopest one. With the yellow one? Yeah, it was yellow. It was a yellow cardboard box.

Something was wanted was there. Yeah, I know. That thing was me. I chased this nigga around the whole, never got the picture either. I chased him around

the whole convention, that whole fucking time, never got the picture. But yeah, we didn't have, you know, we didn't have access like we do now.

You know what I mean? Speak up to Lazy. He tried to go in that door. I never even knew that was a door. He went through that door? He tried to. But would have been

don't even want to open it. He would be a legend right now. Let's take another one. Don't make him the next Lazy. Don't do that to fame, man. I don't go around, bro. I don't fuck one, man. Don't make him the next lady. Don't do that to fame, man. I don't go my way around, bro. I don't fuck around, bro. Jay-Z.

You can tell he's a professional drinker. Yeah, no, no. He can drink that water. He know the balance. He can drink that water. He know the balance. What is something that shocked you in the business? I know earlier we said,

we spoke about the Jay-Z and Dane Dash thing and how you said you knew to rock when it's a pebble. And so you didn't want to kind of do business when you started that. Is there any other thing that shocked you in this business? Not, not really. Like that's the biggest thing that kind of threw me off in the business.

Okay. Everything else, like, because I, like I said, everybody's a snake until they prove indifferent. You know what I'm saying? So if I don't know a person, I'm always, I'm always got, you know, it's always the worst thought in my head first. So nobody can surprise me. When a nigga do some underhanded shit, I'm not surprised. You know what I'm saying? Right.

And I'm definitely the kind of person that there's no second chances surprise me. When a nigga do some underhanded shit, I'm not surprised, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Right. And I'm definitely the kind of person that there's no second chances with me. You know what I mean? It's too dangerous to give a nigga a second chance. Right. You know what I mean?

So once we got a problem, and there don't got to be no bullshit where it's turning into that. But once you show me that I can't trust you, it's over. Right?

Right. How could you trust a motherfucker that can't be trusted? Right. over. Right? How could you trust a motherfucker that can't be trusted? Right. Like, what make you that special that he going to change? Change his stripes.

You know what I'm saying? So, in order to keep my ass out of prison or somebody knocking me the fuck off or somebody fucking me over over some money and me getting into unnecessary beef,

I just... Cut him off. Cut him off. That's it. That's the way to do it. No second chances. Well, I think what you're describing is called integrity Yep, integrity. Um

They got big words now We're gonna start spelling them now Okay, how did you develop that sort of integrity? Do it's well had to be through experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely through experience and the way I grew up. So the world know me and Fane, right? But there's more parts to M.O.P.

Womack, what was it? That's Womack. Okay. That's busy Womack. That's busy Womack. William Womack, right? I know my shit, nigga, okay. I know my shit. I know my shit. All right.

But so we, a group of guys that grew up together in the middle of Iraq, right? In the middle of the bullshit, right? Every hood has this, right? There's always some bullshit going on. But we had to kind of protect each other and hold each other down. Like, I started from a young, young age. So,

and this helps me with the way I go through life. Like, I don't want to deal with a motherfucker that I can't trust, man. I don't want to deal with somebody that I can't rely on, you know what I mean? And I'm never going to let a motherfucker do something to me that I wouldn't do to them. You know what I mean? And I'm never going to let a motherfucker do something to me that I wouldn't do to them.

You know what I mean? Never. So, if it's you and I, right? If I call you for something, I feel like I can call you because I know if you call me, nigga, I'm right there.

That's the only reason why I'm going to call you, right? Because there's no way in the fuck, I can't let nobody do something to me or handle me in a way that i won't handle them right so that's you know i grew up that's that's how i grew up like you respect people you know what i mean and and people will give you that respect where you treat a person how they should be treated you know what i mean you treat a person the right way and they're gonna treat you the right way now and if you don't you don't, you know what I'm saying? And you think about the beef with the dude across town. Like the dude across town,

I expect him to do some shit to me. But the nigga next to me, right? Right. You see what I'm saying? He's supposed to hold it down. Exactly. That's why you get the fuck away from that before you alter your kid's future, right? Because you're going to either kill this nigga or he's going to kill you. So let me get the fuck out of there. So integrity is real important, bro. It's real important. The other day, I'm having a conversation about drill music.

I'm about to participate in it. I got a shot coming for me. I'm going to have one more shot. One more shot. One more shot. Drill music and drill music. They're saying that they're making records, these negative records, but they're actually living them out, right?

So I found myself in a conversation and I had to shut the fuck up because they're like, it's their lyrics and this is all this. And I was just like, oh shit. Like, who the fuck am I to comment yeah on these young dudes lyrics and they living it out and we did the same shit same shit bro I might have been war report War Report. You wanted to go there fast.

But that's true. It's like, how can I critique them when I might be their fathers? Yeah, yeah. At bare minimum, their stepfather. Right, right, right. Oh, you're their fathers. Right, right. I've been listening to y'all music.

Y'all got nothing happy at all. Y'all niggas is going mad To see y'all smile And living this life now But listening to y'all music It was like Do y'all feel You felt beat up Listening to the music

Do y'all feel responsible Oh shit I'm getting jumped Because I mean We are all kind of I say everybody, man. Everybody. Come out. We caught.

I got my little kid, bro. This little Quasim. I love you, bro. Right. This little nigga. When I was going through my shit. Right. This little motherfucker kept me alive.

You heard me? Kept me alive. Listening to music? Huh? He was listening to music or no? No, he listened to all that shit. But I'm saying, I was living for him? He was listening to music or no, no, he was all that shit Well, I'm saying I was living for him. He was lip. You know, I mean I was living to him And at the same time he noticed shit

He know us he know his people, you know, whatever whatever. I got him on the right track I kept him on the right track. I'm like, nigga, you not walking where I walked. That's the whole purpose. I've been through that shit. So I'm going to protect you. And I'm going to guide you right. You got me? And I kept this little nigga on the right track.

You know what I mean? And that's what I'm supposed to do. So my whole point is saying that it comes from the home, bro. Parents got to put that at their fucking kids. Yeah, right. And let them know, I don't care what you listen to. Have your fun. This nigga know every...

It shouldn't matter what they listen to. That's right. It shouldn't matter. It don't matter. You know you can't bring that shit home. You know what I mean? And I'm going to keep you focused. Don't be no punk either.

You know what I mean? Right. But you ain't got to be out here like that. Yeah, right. And this little nigga so good to me. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? So I felt I did good with that. You know what I mean? Right. But you ain't got to be out here like that. Yeah. Right. And this little nigga's so good to me. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? So I felt I did good with that.

You know what I mean? Great music. It come from the parents. That's my whole point. Great, great. Yeah, man. That's great. Good job, man.

Good stuff. It come from home. That's my whole point. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. That's the real shit ever, man. My dude. Thank you, brother.

Uh-oh. Yeah, let me get. That's the real shit ever, man. My dude. Thank you, brother. Uh-oh. Yeah, let me get that one. Come on. Hey. Hey. So I don't... Bless, bro. It's definitely not the music, though, bro.

Because let me ask you, because I know this might be a little touchy situation, but we have a special ad on here. A special ad said that N.W.A. was led to the destruction of black people. A lot of people... I think he said that N.W.A. led to the destruction of black people. A lot of people. I think he said the music. To the music industry. Yeah, I don't think he said. He said the destruction of the music industry, right?

What did he say? Anybody remember exactly? Yeah, please correct me. It wasn't black people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That really... He's talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I got out of it. I mean, I don't...

I don't... Okay, so I thought about this too when I saw him say it. I think because he was there. At that time. Ed was there. We weren't there. I kind of wasn't there. No, we weren was there. At that time. He was, Ed was there. We weren't there. Right, right, right. We weren't there.

I kind of wasn't there. Right, no, we weren't there. He saw the shift is what you're saying. Right, he saw the shift. We didn't see it. We were just enjoying NWA. We were enjoying Special Ed. We were enjoying everything else.

The good music, the happy music, the party music, whatever. He saw the shift. Right. We didn't see that. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I still feel the same way about NWA that I did when I first heard them

that's the shit it didn't make me go I mean they were saying fuck the police but I've always said fuck the police before they said fuck the police fuck the police fuck the police fuck the police

but my point is Come on you gotta sip it You gotta sip it Don't count You gotta sip it Yeah yeah okay My point is My point is

Because they I said fuck the police Before I even heard them Say fuck the police You know what I'm saying So they didn't make me say I think he was going Into a deeper

I think fuck the police Was the surface of it though Yeah but what I'm Yeah, because he was there. I think fucking police was the surface of it, though. Yeah, but what I'm saying is because he was there is why he had the feeling. Neither one of us was there. You know what I'm saying? We weren't an artist at the time, so we don't know what shit did what.

We were just loving the music. I said that, I was the quietest I've ever been on Drink Champs. Yeah. Because I did not know, I didn't know how to debate him, refute him, or... Well, he was so much in his conviction that both of us were just like, let him be. Let him live in his conviction.

Like you said, I don't know. He was there, bro. But it feels like there's so much more to unpack from just throwing that out there. Right. But what I mean by he was there, he was an artist at the time. So if the shift, if he felt the effect of the shift, he felt it. Us as fans, we didn't feel it. I mean, I was a kid.

We was all kids. Yeah, we were all kids. It's like you said. I said fuck the police, but I was saying fuck the police before I heard them. Before I heard them say fuck the police. You know what I'm saying? And Special Ed is entitled to

his feeling, to his truth. Whatever his truth is, it's his truth. You know what I mean? Yeah, the West Coast will lose the nine like. I seen,

I seen, I seen Daz or Cabral get on the joint with him on a live or whatever and talk to him about it.

But, yeah, I think it's just his feeling feeling you know what i'm saying of being in the business at the time and watch the whole shift you know i'm saying it affected him right i think we could all understand what he was trying to say yeah what he was saying but i just feel like it's too simplistic of a thing to say when it's so more complex than nwa right you know i'm saying there much more. Right. You can't just put it on NWA. You know what I'm saying?

Maybe he should have said it different, right? Or gave some sort of explanation about it of why he felt like that. Which might be, to be honest with you, I don't want to put it on Special Ed. I want to put it on us. We should have expanded. We should have said,

well, let's converse about this. Let's have more of a dialogue on this. It was our bad. Other websites grabbed that. Of course. And then they put their own captions. We didn't promote it. We just said that.

We just said that. We just said that. Other websites. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fucking media, bro. Yeah, no, we didn't promote that at all. And the reason why we didn't address that and say that,

that wasn't our headline, is because there's so many things of our show. Like, there's footage of Lil Wayne sniffing coke on our show. Lil Wayne ain't sniffing a fucking coke on our show. Excuse me, what are you saying? Oh, I was about to say, the way you said that. No, no, no. I was like, what are you saying?

He got rid of a whole half a ton right here. Yeah, but we— You were about to say, Lil Wayne, Forrest gave Lil Wayne a half a P. This is exactly what happened Little Wayne put his asses out No I know And when he put his asses out he went like this

Oh yeah yeah And when he did that people reversed it the other way Oh yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah I'll forget about it

And it made him look like he went like this And I was just like whoa I even thought I said, did this happen? Well, you know,

we're drunk. We don't remember shit. So we're like, oh shit, he did some K-Dub. And then there's footage of Floyd Mayweather, who's my favorite boxer of all time.

The best. And they spelling GOAT the wrong way. G-A-O. That was AI too? They did some crazy? They did that. And I'm looking

and I'm like, I always wanted to correct that because I was like, yo, like Floyd or Wayne didn't kind of like deserve that. Yeah, I don't remember none of that shit. If I have to address one room, I got to address them all. Yeah.

So that's the reason why. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. Yeah. The thing is, is nobody takes the time to watch the original source. Yeah. So like, even with the special ed situation, like, go watch the whole interview

and then discuss it. But don't take a clip. They're going to clip it to the moment that's going to entice you to have a moment with it. And then everybody starts,

no, no, go watch the whole shit. It's co-marketing and promotion. And that's what it is. Right. And we all enjoy marketing and promotion. Right, right, right.

So it's kind of crazy when it's used against us. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? I got it, I got right. So it's kind of crazy when it's used against us. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? I got it, I got it. Let's talk about who got guns. Ooh, what a record, right? Gangstar.

Not in real life. No, no. He said, well, the record, right? Gangstar, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had to think about it. He's like, well, who got guns? Who do got guns? My bad.

Gangstar featuring M.O.P. and Fat Joe. Mm-hmm. I remember coming in the studio, not knowing that we were going to be doing a record. But when I walk in the studio, Prim go, I need to get y'all on this record. Press play. Prim, you said? Yeah. Premier.

Premier. Premier is so dope, man. Be playing like this. Fire. Fire. I think Joe was actually is so dope, man. Be playing like this. Fire. Fire. I think Joe was actually at the studio, too. He hadn't laid his verse. Don't tell me this is missed in studios.

Joe laid his verse. He laid his verse. He laid his verse for... I rap after Joe, so I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But when Joe's verse come on, fire. First time ever I saw a gay... Stupid. Stupid, stupid stupid stupid but his voice is so dope I'm a music nigga

proggy voice is so dope um and then guru guru got probably one of the dopest voices ever in hip-hop yeah it is effort effort who's the drinker to know he wasn't done the fuck with yeah he was serious he was Who was the drinker, too? No, he wasn't nothing to fuck with. Nah. He was serious. He was the first drink champ. He was the first drink champ. Yeah. The original. One of the originals. Yeah.

But, yeah, just on a DJ premiere beat, like, you can't go wrong. From public, right? From the public's opinion. Like, M.O.P. on a DJ premiere beat the DJ Premier Beat. Nah, you can't go wrong. Guru is perfect for Fat Joe, who represents everything that... Just to line up. For me, it was just to line up with Joey. Joey and Guru on the record.

Because Joey, like, we used to... When we talking about how about some hardcore days, nigga, you know them Terran Squad niggas On they shit Yeah yeah We on our shit Puerto Ricans with knives That's right Right right right

Niggas on they shit My Hawaiian shirt on today But we But we connect We never clash Like every time We show each other love You know what I mean

So just knowing that So I always wanted to be On a record with Joey And then Then Guru You know that's That's you know that's the heart. So that shit came out amazing.

That's a dope record. We have that record. We've been doing that record in the MOP set for the last 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. Would you guys consider yourself official or unofficial DITC? Because you're so close to it. Official without being in the group. Official, because I love you, showbiz.

You're my name. Shout out to showbiz. I think it's an amazing production. AG. Yeah. Law of finance. AG is crazy. That's rude.

Come on. Hands down one of the best crews in hip hop. Diamond D. Diamond D. Fuck wow. That's all family. That's all immediate family. OC. That's O family. That's O.C. O.C.

That's the media family. Big L. Big L. Fat Joe. Fat Joe, yeah. Healthy Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can't call him Fat Joe no more. No, you can't. That's the media family right there. You guys were a part of all of it. You guys were doing these records with all these guys. Yep, yep. And we loved it, man. It was a great time, right?

Like, we... It was a good time in hip-hop it, man. It was a great time, right? Like, we... It was a good time in hip-hop music, man. It wasn't... We had our competition, but it was really competition, right? Like, when I heard that, what, what, what, what, nigga? I was like this, nigga.

Wait till I finish this. You know what I'm saying? I said it in the intro, but... I said, what? I drink. Drink that. Let it back. and I don't even drink like that I'm so crashed what the fuck

what the fuck that got to do what the fuck that got to do with the all I love that shit I want to tell y'all, as a man, hearing y'all, I know it changed Marv Deep's whole thing. Juvenile health, how they were supposed to make their thing. Wow. They changed their whole shit. That's a big deal.

That's in my opinion. We kind of follow Mobb Deep, so in a lot of ways, if it wasn't for M.O.P., there wouldn't be a Mobb Deep, and if it wasn't for Mobb Deep, there wouldn't be a Capone or Noriega. And if it wasn't for Capone or Noriega, there wouldn't be a Drink Champs.

Wow. This is y'all house. This is y'all house. anytime you want to promote anything like i sincerely and i reached out to both of you brothers um i was so excited i'm so excited i am still so excited i don't hit no artists listen don't make me pull out i got old text messages with bill yeah going back years let's go on dream champs i don't know you know i to talk to fame. I don't speak to no artists. Because I just, I don't, like before the show, because I just want them to come in and

just be all organic. You're probably the first ones that I just, because hitting like, you're good, make sure you're good. You want any drinks, any specific thing, because I really wanted to do this interview the best to our ability because it's not...

And like I said, y'all are my friends, but it's not because y'all my friends. It's because y'all deserve this shit. Thank you. Y'all deserve this look. Y'all deserve the love. Y'all deserve the respect. And like I told you earlier,

it takes nothing away from me to give y'all the exact dual props that y'all deserve. And y'all really do deserve this. Hold on, hold on. Before we get up out of here, what's next for M.O.P.? We know Michael Rappaport is shooting the documentary. Who said that? Who said documentary. Who said that? Who said that?

Who said that? You got a nice establishment up here, right? Thank you. Fuck that. Who the biggest nigga over here? No, no, no. You don't have to fuck me up, man. I'm about to flip this shit off. Go on

the moderation bro So what's next for M.O.P. man Tell us Before we get about it More touring Right Next month we back We back overseas

And like Fame said Which is really more important That Just started Back Working with The Argon Okay Whole album

Fame was just in the studio With The Argon Last week We put it together We built it So it's coming together You build it up Working with D.R. again. Okay. Whole album? Fame was just in the studio with D.R. last week. We put it together. We built it. So it's coming together. You built it up. I think an M.O.P. album right now is... It's needed.

It's needed. It's needed. I do got to say this, though. And I'm okay. Like, we're okay with where we are in our life. But when it comes to us making music, like, as fans, like, I need, if you're going to say you support, I need you to support. Right. Tell them.

Right? If you're going to say you support, I need you to support. I mean, it takes a lot for us to write records, right? Right. It takes a lot for us to get them done. We got to go get them done. We got to put the work in. Oh, yeah.

Put the most amazing record together that you can. Right. Put it out. You know, you get the promo and all that situated. Get the video done. Put it out. And all you're going to give me is a fucking fire emoji? I'm going to need a little more than that.

Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to need a little more than fire emoji. That's real. So if you're going to support, support. You know what I'm saying? Right. So we need a little more to fight. That's real. So if you're going to support, support. You know what I'm saying? Right. So we'll definitely give y'all the M.O.P. album.

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