Drink Champs - Episode 388 w/ Elliott Wilson and NEMS (Live @ Rolling Loud)

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode, the Champs chop it up with Elliott Wilson and NEMS! Live from Rolling Loud the guys stop by for a good time! Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss! Listen as we continue to celebrate 50 Years of Hip-Hop!! Make some noise for Elliott Wilson and NEMS.!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yesterday, we was filming. And one of the craziest times in Drink Champs history is when we used to have the Elliott Wilson train and then Elliott Wilson pulled up and he pointed at us and we all said, the Elliott Wilson train and he is here, there in the back. And before we start anything, let me just say something. Whenever a person comes in the presence of Rakim, whenever a person comes in the presence of Nas, whenever a person comes in the presence of Jay-Z, everyone should start off their conversation,

start off their sentence by saying, you are the GOAT. And I would like to start off this by saying, you are the GOAT. And we all come from your tree. Whether you was a rapper trying to get an interview from you, or now a rapper trying to compete with you. You know what my nightmare

is about this story? Why y'all do this to me, man? Let's just take it from the beginning, Wyatt. What's our projects, man? This is crazy. But let's just take it from the beginning, Wyatt. What's our projects, man? What's our projects? You started into this hip-hop thing. And was it Echo that you started at?

Nah, Beatdown. Beatdown. Beatdown. Beatdown. That's what I'm thinking of. R.G. Akiba, Sasha Jenkins. Okay, Sasha Jenkins. Shout out Sasha.

Make up Sasha Jenkins. Sasha was the key. Sasha was the one that taught me, like, you could do your own shit in this. Now, you Jenkins. Shout out Sasha. Big up Sasha Jenkins. Sasha's the key. Sasha was the one that taught me you could do your own shit in this. Now you and Sasha went to school? No, I met him... We actually went to town school. We didn't know each other. And then I saw him at a party, K-Rus 1 party.

And we connected. He told me about the magazine we was doing. And then we became real good friends. We did Beatdown for two years. And it was like, okay, let's do something else ourselves. And that was Ego Trip. Ego Trip. Ego Trip. It's funny, because our last issue, I think Death Squad's on the cover.

Why? And we did something with you, with like a psychiatrist or some kind of crazy shit. Oh, I do remember that. And it's just like, is Noriega diabolical or some shit on the cover line? The sticker is diabolical. So, okay, boom. So I'm from there. But wait, did you go to journalism school?

Nah, no. Not at all? No. That was just something that you fell into. Kid from Queens, just loving the culture. Run DMC was the inspiration. That was my shit. And I read The Source. I was like, I want to be the...

They had the music editor at The Source, Reginald C. Dennis. I was like, I want to be that guy. He gets all the album footages come out. He reviews them. He controls the mics. That's what I like, I want to be that guy. He gets all the album footages come out. He reviews them. He controls the mics. That's what I wanted. I wanted to control the mics. I didn't give a fuck about Eddard and Chief.

I wanted every rap album before anybody else had it. And I wanted to give the mics. That's all I cared about. So when Dave Mays changed the mics, that's why I quit. And that's what the falling out was. Okay, let's describe that. Not the speed, but... Okay, let's describe it.

So what you mean Dave Mays changed the mics? What do you mean? He changed the review of, what was it, Corrupt, and then I think a Cannabis record. Like, he changed

the reviews on me. Changed the mics on him without telling me. Oh, like, what you had said, he changed that. Without talking to me first. So what you mean,

it was three and a half and then he gave them four? Yeah, yeah. He piped it up and took it down, whatever, so... That was the thing. Like, even with Ray,

I have no real problem with Ray. I had a problem with Dave Mays. Wow. Let me tell you something. Years later, I'm talking about, this is years later, after the Salsa Wars, because Tilted Shocker beat me in the Salsa Wars. Let's just be clear. You were traumatized by that, right?

Yeah, traumatized. By the way, I love you, Suga Shaka But he beat me, Pun, DMX, Corrupt Capadonna, Cameron That's that No Limit advertiser Master B was used to call and book his own ads back in the day Let me just say something So years later, I don't want to say where

But me and Benzino, we live on the same block. Of course. And I just say something to him and he's like, and he doesn't admit it, but he goes, he goes,

he goes, you still mad? And I'm like, this is years later. I'm like, yo. And he goes, he goes, but they were spending

$75,000 a ad. And you got to think about what $75,000 was back then. And then think about how many ads they had. It was like every other page. It was every other fucking page. But it started with Master P. I remember he used to call, but it wasn't on yet like that.

It was before the I'm Bout It movie came out. That's when it took off. Right. So he would call and book the cheap ads in the back of the book. Cheap ads? He would call the shit. He'd be the master P, yeah. He did all that from grass to neighborhood.

I remember we did a cover of him. Amaze was like, yo, is he really good enough to be the whole cover? Should we split the cover? We had money behind him and shit. I was like, yo, he's the guy right now. New Orleans, he's taking off. That's probably what it was. They were so used to dealing with him on some business shit.

He literally came from the classified ads, back of the book. The classified ads. That's why I got was. They were so used to dealing with him on some business shit. Right. He literally, like, came from, like, the classified ads back in the book. The classified ads. That's why I got my DJ starter kit. Yeah, exactly. So, we went from booking that shit to booking, like, major shit. So, that's what it was. By the way, we've been here way too long without popping a bottle of Ace. And if y'all don't know, last night, me and Elliot hung out all night last night.

We drank. We didn't even talk. We're friends, though. We're friends. It was so beautiful. It was so beautiful to sit around and just chop it up.

You know what I mean? Like, no bullshit. So, EFN, I would ask you to pop a bottle of Ace, but I don't have no faith in you at all. I don't pop no shit

in bottles. Yo, yo, yo, would you like to show off tonight? Let's go. All right, cool. Let me let you pop this. But I do want to say I love that.

I was sitting doing it last night. I told him, I like how you got that shine with the Ice Cube shit. Oh, okay. Because you like, you're a quiet legend. You're humble.

You're a humble soul type nigga. But you that nigga. So I love how the Ice Cube shit happened and like organically, like the attention to that, right? So obviously, you know, and we all, hip hop,

we know Ice Cube's a great storyteller, but maybe a generation doesn't know. Right, right, right. So you educate them with that. So appreciate it, fam. And by the way, and? So obviously, you know, and we all, hip-hop, we know Ice Cube is a great storyteller, but maybe a generation doesn't know. Right, right, right. So you educate them with that. So appreciate it, man. And by the way, let me just tell you something. That's EF in every episode.

It's just he argues with me every episode. So people don't understand that he's a passionate dude. I can't get him. I'm Cuban, man. I can't get him. I can't get him.

It's me. I can't get him to get a chain. I can't get him to get a watch. I can't get him to get a watch. He's just, he's taping. He's spending none of that drink. He's got too little kids, bro. He's got too little kids, bro.

He's a passionate guy. It was so dope to see how many people called me and was like, yo, you know, yeah, Finn has a point and that was and then there was other people

who from Brooklyn and I was like for a long time I don't go to Brooklyn like you know what I'm saying best I just cut it off the list you know what I mean

cause I'm just playing I'm just playing you know that's a joke you can't people say yo you was right though actually it's very

it's a very healthy conversation absolutely like um and that's what I feel like hip hop I mean I felt that with you the other day um Segway King very healthy conversation absolutely like um and that's what i feel like hip-hop i mean i i felt that with you the other day um earlier segue king yeah no no no i did i did because i had to actually

think about it like the thing about it is that's what hip-hop was based on at one point one point it was like yo i'm better than you doesn't mean i'm better than you right doesn't mean i'm a better person than you i'm just saying i'm better than you and Doesn't mean I'm a better person than you. I'm just saying I'm better than you. And a lot of times, it trickled down to beefs and it trickled down to other things. When in the beginning, I don't remember KRS-One and I don't remember MC Shan saying, I'ma shoot you or whatever or Kumo D.

And these people, I don't remember that. I don't remember that. I don't remember that. I remember them saying I'm just better than you and battling you. So I think that this generation and what we're going through

like sometimes when we say that they automatically think it's a negative thing. So I know where you're coming from. So Nori agrees with me with that. When I say competition you're never going to say

competition anymore, right? Yes, I agree with you. Yo, Ross, what type of shit you just did? You gonna pop the bottle and put it back in there? And look away! Come on, people, come on! Me and Elliot Wilson got

drunk as hell last night, and so what I say is, I say that to say, you know, I love that you and Rob, you know, I had to call him real quick, right? I love that, I love that. I love that you and Rob, you know, whatever. I have to call him real quick, right? Yes, I love that. I love that.

Shout out, Rob. Shout out, Rob. I love that because, to tell you the truth, again, I want to reiterate something. I'm going to keep it real with that. You know what happens? Because Rob, we get competitive at times, me and Rob Markman. Shout out, Rob Markman. Right.

Because y'all worked together at one point, right? Well, I helped him in XXL early days and stuff, but then he's shining on his own, so he gets competitive. I get all that. So I don't remember exactly what it was, but I think it was something about a babyface interview. We both were trying to interview babyface, some crazy shit, and then we kind of fell out. And then this nigga really blocked me on Twitter. He was blocking me like this.

I was like, yo. And I was like, yo, I got beef with Rob Markman. I like dudes. But I accept my fault in that shit. So, Hovain's funeral. We pulled up. And I had a feeling. Rest in peace, Hovain.

Rest in peace, Hovain. I had a feeling. I was like, if I see Rob Markman, I'm going to squash him and that shit. Fuck it. Like, that's not. I know Hovain would want us to be 100 with each other. You know, so. And then Rob, to his credit, he came to me first.

So, we squashed it. So, when that happened i'm like yo i don't want to go back to having no beef with this like that's why we called and talked it out so salute to rob but let me ask you and this is all honesty elliot you ever think that you're too competitive yeah absolutely okay i love the change come on he's petty king I'm really torn with this shit. I take it personally, man. Like, yo, Sway is the most beloved figure in hip-hop. Yes. So for me to step on his moment, which Rob said, was wrong. I agree.

Okay, so who said Sway was the GOAT? I have the right to say that I'm the fucking GOAT. Yes. Nobody was branding themselves as that shit before me. Right, right. Nor you know we come from an era where it's like radio and press. Right? Who was the artist?

Everybody's media now. Everybody's media. Who was the artist that said that Sway was the GOAT and you commented on it? Who was the artist that said Sway was the GOAT? Lil Baby and Milo. Okay. But they were saying that because they were like, yo, he's a good guy. We fuck with him.

He's cool. He respects us, so we show love to him. So I'm not going to be the most beloved. You know what I can pay going to be The most beloved You know what I compare that to I compare that to Jay-Z Calling himself the GOAT And then And then LL invented himself

As the GOAT And who is wrong Like who is wrong Like I can't say Jay-Z is not the GOAT And I can't say LL is not the GOAT You know I love HO

We love HO That's our friend Yes yes But I was actually I have the same January 14th birthday As LL Cool J So maybe that's part

Of my whole shit Like I feel like I'm the GOAT I'm just going to Try to prove it to you Like I'm just focused on that Like it's 14th birthday as LL Cool J, so maybe that's part of my whole shit. I feel like I'm the GOAT. I'm just going to try to prove it to you. I'm just focused on that. It's important to me. But, L.A., let me just tell you something. In case you don't know, Drink Champ is about giving people their flowers, and this is a mini version of it.

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AT&T, connecting changes everything. But one thing for sure, two things for certain, we know you for the culture. Yeah. We know you, again, you're a GOAT. This is what I don't get credit for. It's like, y'all niggas be doing this fucking five-hour interview. God bless y'all. I hear about EFN, Ice Cube, him and Yale.

I literally ripped. I'm not on your social media team, nigga. I'm not on your social media team. I ripped the segment that I think is the hottest segment of the fucking interview. I put the shit up. You get engagement, nigga. I'm doing your job. We love that.

That's what I do. Nobody else represents nobody else's content that way. We love that. So as competitive as I am, I still acknowledge, like, yo, you hit the winning shot. You win. Nobody does it like that. No, you're correct. Let me give you a high five correct Let me give you a high five

Let me give you a high five That's doing his right And it never will Yes That's right In fact It's too insecure I think Worldstar

Bid off of you I think you did that first All that And then Worldstar Bid off of you I created a whole social media Strategy and style Yeah

Cheeseburgers Nah I started the whole Social media strategy Style with that shit Like nobody was doing it At the time so Right That's right So um Hold on you know what Yeah, yeah, cheeseburgers. Nah, I started the whole social media strategy style with that shit. Like, nobody was doing it at the time, so. Right. That's right.

So, hold on. You know what I got to witness, though? Yeah. I got to witness Elliot Wilson and Eddie the Ass Eater have an ass-eating conversation. Whoa. For like 10 minutes. Whoa. When was this happening?

I never thought. Wait up, man. I never thought in my life I would hear this behind me. I never thought right now. And I didn't like it. I did not like it. I did not like it. I did not like it. Oh, my God. I wasn't ready.

You're supposed to text me this next question. I was not ready. I was not ready. Oh, that's pre-marriage. That's the way that you did it. But let me ask you. Let me ask you. This is real talk.

Yes, sir. And I want you to be honest, as honest as you can be. Because I felt this way, too. But obviously, you might have felt this way way before me. The fact that everybody has a computer set. What the fuck is that? A mic and a speaker. Everyone thinks that they can now be a journalist

or part of media. Or even a phone. Yeah. Now, some of these guys are worthy. Some of these guys are funny. Absolutely. Some of these guys are like way okay. But then some of these guys just look at what another person is doing and say, I'm going to mimic that. Yeah. And

everyone kind of feels like, that's why I hate being on social media because at that time we're all on the same level yeah it doesn't matter how much i am or how less i am or whatever whatever did you ever think that the media game would be this watered down man i i didn't use not watered down but so active like But then it makes sense. We were talking about it a little bit last night. I was like, it would make sense that someone like yourself, that MVP in the game, you see Charles Barkley. He made the transition, right?

So you have a whole generation that doesn't even know Charles Barkley. He's an incredible player. I'm more like Shaq because I won championships. All of them, yeah. So my thing is, you don't make that segue. It makes sense that you come from the culture and like you would stay in it. Kenny Smith. And become commentators on the culture.

But, no, I didn't see that. And also, I didn't think that media would be looked at as like a cool thing. It wasn't cool back then. I was the nigga trying to lead that that is cool. People bought into the Wyand persona. This guy's crazy. He's battling the source. Like, they connected to that thing that made it somewhat cool.

If you were riding with us, it was against them like they connected to that thing that made it somewhat cool if you were riding with us and it was against them you connected to that so that's what bugs me out is that like it's cool and then the other thing I said to you yesterday too is like

Noriega Joe Budden Fat Joe Gilly the motherfucking kid y'all was no disrespect knuckleheads y'all was like the wild the live wire dudes so for y'all to no disrespect. Knuckleheads. Y'all was like the wild, the live wire dudes.

Right. So for y'all to like figure it out and be whatever it is, I never saw that coming. Love to all y'all. You know what's crazy? You know what's crazy?

What I always, I always, I always knew I was more than an artist because I always remembered I would never want to be late. Yeah. And when I never was late,

I remember a friend of mine, his name was Rob Love. Shout out Rob. Oh, shout out Rob. I know Rob. And Rob Love used was late, I remember a friend of mine, his name was Rob Love. Shout out Rob. Oh, shout out Rob. I know Rob. And Rob Love used to say, you're not an artist. And I used to be like, what? He used to be like, no artist comes on time. And another person who reiterated that was my friend Shampoo.

So, Big Ulla Shampoo, I think he's around here somewhere. And I knew I was destined to do something else. Now, was it media? No, no else. Now, was it media? No, no way. Now, we just hung out with Cypher Styles and Rosenberg. Now, Cypher Styles and Rosenberg is credited the first hip-hop podcast. They were. They absolutely were.

And what do you feel about that? They were. They're lucky that both of them, Cypher has a luxurious career out of his own. You know, I was their first guest. Get the fuck out of here.

First guest. On Barnabas. First guest. God damn it. They don't give you your flowers? Yeah, I recognize people when they, like,

I was like, yo, what y'all doing is cool. I want to be a guest on the shit. No, I did it. Yo, I was the first guest

on Barnabas' team. Salute to them. That's my point. I guess my whole thing was, when you look at me, I'm the most competitive, and I guess sometimes I do go too far. But at the same time,

nobody gives as many love and assist as I do, too. That's the passion. Yeah, that's the passion. That's what no one's mad at you. I'm not going to ever take your shine away. That's a passion. Yeah. So I'm not a foul dude. I'm not going to ever like take your shine away. Right. Like that's a great moment. You and Yale talking about motherfucking Ice Cube.

That was passion. That shit is legendary. So that dessert, I'm a rap fan. I want to see that on my timeline. So that's why I ripped that shit because that's what's important in the culture. You know what I mean? So my thing is I'm always challenging the status quo, but I always like, at the end of the day, I'm always going to play the game the right way.

I'm not going to play it in a foul way. I'm always going to credit the situation. So do you think there's a lack of passion? Hold on. Do you think there's a lack of passion in hip-hop journalism? Absolutely. Absolutely, yeah. There's no passion.

Yeah, because some people are doing it just like how we do it. Nori has the passion. That's it. That's why I said, again, going back to my Live Wire guys, Nori, but the thing why they win is they have the passion. That's it. Like, that's why I said, again, going back to my live wire guys, Nori, but the thing why they win is they have the passion. Right. Nobody was like, Joe Budden's really going to be this dedicated to do what he does. Right.

Nobody was like, Nori Ager's going to be this dedicated to do what he does. I said, I asked Nori last time, like, yo, Nori, how do you still stay motivated? Like, what gets you right? Like, why do you care? Why are you so motivated? Like, he'll still go back on me. You know, he's like, yo, Elliot, it's time to talk to you again. Because in his mind, he's building content all the time in his mind. So that's that dedication.

I respect it. And by the way, like I said yesterday, and I didn't realize it was live yesterday, but, you know, it was at one point, we were just, you know, going Twitter back and forth, just doing what competitors do. And BDOT said, and I will always give him the credit for this, and BDOT said, the difference between us is we're really fans. And that was the one quote. It wasn't disrespectful at all.

He didn't curse. He didn't say, fuck you. He didn't say, fuck my mother. He just said, you're really a fan. And I sat back and I was like, that shit hit me so hard because it's like, how the fuck can I really be fan of dmx when i want his number one spot how can i be with dmx in real time how can i be a fan yeah i'm thinking about it i'm like damn that was so true so instead

of me actually you know um you know uh rebuttal or whatever what i did was you know what a rebuttal or whatever. What I did was, you know what? I, I threw away my artistry. I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm a now we, I'm a now reintroduce myself. My name is fan. You know what I'm saying?

And I went, and I went back and I listened to Illmatic. I went back and I listened to Biggie's because I was like, you know what? I wanted to do that. And that, that shit made me better. and even, even, even, even like we had this funny joke and I listened to Biggie's because I was like, you know what? I wanted to do that. And that shit made me better. Like, even like we had this funny joke and I always wanted to ask you about this. The Elliot Wilson train.

Like what we was doing because we was both on CBS. That shit was hilarious. And what happened was. Yeah, how did that start? I don't even know how that really started. How did that really start? God damn. We was at a spot that had a train track next to it.

And every time we had a good moment in the pod, that train would come. There you go. And this is when we were being competitive in CBS with each other. You know what I mean? And then we would be like, Elliot Wilson, train man. Sabotaging us, man.

Yo, it was so fun. But by the way, the fans loved that. Yeah. By the way, to me, I believe me, you, EFN, and BDOT, we built what is podcasting now, of course, with Joe Bud. Of course, with Joe Bud. We built it. I believe the people that kind of started it was

Simon Siles, Rosenberg, Comeback Jack. Can't forget Tag Stone, even though he has... Ice-T. Ice-T was first rapper. Going back to internet radio. Yes. Rapper, so... I like the way he's going with this.

He's saying that something about Rap Radar and Drink Champs. Yeah, Rap Radar. They haven't changed the podcast business. What happened was we started making the algorithms change because people started to listen, even though we were competitive against each other, but it was competitive. What guests did y'all have?

Boom, boom, boom. And then that was that one year, I believe, you had Drake and then Jay back-to-back. And we was like, fuck. It was a pod war. It hadn't happened. A pod war hadn't happened. And it was fun.

It was like rap battles. It was fun for the audience. And it made them engage more with us. You know how bad I was with that fucking Kanye shit? The fucking Pharrell shit? Fucking Cam'ron shit? Because I said it on Complex. We got to say it on our own shit.

Let me tell you something. I searched for where the fuck they did Jay-Z's. I just was like, yo. I was like, yo. So I'm searching. And then I become a member of Malibu. Right? So Malibu. The whole member of malibu right so malibu the whole beach i actually i

actually rented a house just to become a member of malibu house because anybody who's part of soul house you know you could do the all house or you could do the local house or you do whatever i did the all house but then i realized when i came to malibu one time it was like you can't get in motherfucker and i was like so i went to the house. And I ran here. And I ran. When they said that I'm accepted, I ran there. I went to orientation. I'm walking around doing all this dumb shit.

And when they walked me into this room, I'm with none but white people and one black dude with dreads. He looks like he paints or something. I don't know. And we stood there. And I looked into this room. I said, these motherfuckers. I had't know. And we stood there, and I looked into this room, and I said, these motherfuckers. I had no idea. I'm there for orientation.

And I'm like, holy shit. But that's what's crazy. And this is something. I'm going to take you for a start with that. Hold on, hold on. Let me just ask you this. This is what's crazy. One, that was remarkable

because it made it seem like it was J.C. Cribb. But two, what made y'all fucking do the interview in black and white? That whole era, I was doing everything black and white because we had the CBS radio era. Okay.

So with Tidal, I was like, yo, it's got to be kind of a rebirth. So I wanted everything to be black and white. So remember, we did y'all black and white.

Like one of the first ones we did. You and EFN. Right. We did that, like it was the fourth episode. So Will Smith changed that shit because B-Dot was like, yo, we did it in Hungary. Will Smith had rented out the hotel. Right. We did that, like, it was the fourth episode. So Will Smith changed that shit, because Beat Out was like, yo, we did it in Hungary.

Will Smith had rented out the hotel. Right. The shit looked fly as fuck. And Budapest, Hungary. And Hungary is already black and white. What a stunt. So Beat Out was like, yo, we got to do this in color. And then we went right back to color.

But before that, every episode was black and white because of that. That's why it was. I wanted it to be like classic, but. And do you still own that episode? Yeah, absolutely. So could you drop that episode in color? Oh wow, okay. Yeah, look at that.

I could, I could, look at that. Good idea. Yeah! Make some noise, we're going to be divided. Go buddy, go. Yeah! I mean, let's just be clear. Randy's an animal, Randy. No, no, one thing, you know what, let me just be clear. Randy's an animal, Randy.

No, no. You know what? Let me just tell you something. Busta Rhymes and Nas is my friend, and I always tell them. Just because you're my friend. I'm your friend, too, Nori. I'm your friend, too. I'm telling you this.

I'm explaining this to them. Just because you're my friend doesn't take away from me being your fan. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. And I'm just saying that that would be crazy. Again.

Oh, let me tell you about the Malibu. So the Malibu shit was like, damn, we had a couple, like, you know, you know how it is, like, you're going to get the big interview. Okay, so he finally agreed. Finally agreed. Okay. So then it's like, okay, and I still live in New York. He's like, well, come to Cali or whatever.

So I told B-Dot, we're not hitting until we land. Because, you know, Castle changed their mind. Yes. So I'm like, be that. We're not hitting them until we land. Right. Because you know how Castle changed their mind? Yes. So I'm like, he gave us a go. Right. I'm entitled at the time,

boom, boom, boom. So I'm like, we get in the plane, boom, we land. As soon as we landed, I was like, okay,

where are we doing this? You know, HO, what are we doing? He's like, back and forth and then he said, the Soul House.

Right. And I thought it was the Hollywood joint. Oh yeah. I thought it was the main one in Hollywood. Right. Then it's like Malibu. I'm like was the Hollywood joint. I thought it was the main one in Hollywood. Then it's like Malibu. I'm like, oh shit, we got to get to the... So we got there

and that's how it went down. But the funny thing that happened was it was set up with all the food that was geeked out because he was coming. And I wanted the whole thing of like the whole... I wanted the window to kind of be open so you could hear the sea breeze type vibe of it.

And it was like, that's going to fuck up the sound, fuck up the sound. But then once Jay sat down, they all fanboyed out. So they forgot to close the door. And we was up and running. That was the cool vibe of it. That's why we didn't touch the food. It was just like, yo, let's get to the, finally have them. And we really didn't eat none of that food.

It was the whole time. You know what's crazy? When me and Airfan first started. Have them. We really didn't eat none of that food. It was the whole time. Epic. You know what's crazy? When me and Airfan first started. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian, Dr. Randall Williams, and bestselling author and meat eater founder,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. AT&T, connecting changes everything. Y'all was our blueprint. So I don't know if you remember our first couple of episodes, we were standing in front of the CBS sign. We were doing the same exact thing. Oh, I remember. So we didn't know.

We just didn't know what to do. And then CBS signed us. And then what we did was, like I said, let's just go. Let's just do what we wanted. And that was to give people their flowers. And I wanted to give people that's forgotten about. Because we just did an interview with Shea Rock. That's the first female artist ever invented.

And she was there. Shah Rukh. Shah Rukh. Shah Rukh. Shah Rukh. Salute. She was there standing across from Scarlett. That was crazy. And to Scarlett. That was crazy.

And to me, this was so crazy. Because this was the first female and then this is the new. That's hard. That's hard, yeah. And I'm like, in my mind,

I'm like, this is what the gods want. This is what, the gods of hip hop want this shit. And, again, our culture should be preserved so much our culture should be uh you know it should be that it should be it should be the new teaching the old

the problem is a lot of people don't want it so what's my man name from yesterday uh that you you had would you never sit here oh i came from our generation i knew him from um adam yeah he first started with adam 22. doing his own thing now our generation is the site our generation so is that something that you're doing you embracing new bloggers yeah i never met the brothers so yeah absolutely yeah. Holy shit, man. I'm a nice guy, Norris. Yes, yes, yes. Who would have known? Let's break down the affiliation with you and Joe what? Because.

Affiliation. Affiliation. Is that the right word for that? No, I don't know. Is it? I'm saying because. Something happened where you, because you're saying you're back outside and it was noticeable. That complex shit bothered me.

I don't know what it was. Yeah. I don't know what it was. Because it seemed like you just took a break thing that media list that shit bothered me oh that shit went crazy but a good petty person takes that pettiness i don't think it's petty i think it's like yo y'all fucked up you lit the fire and like let me remind y'all but but his was crazy about that complex list i'm the best drink champs they never said that's dumb yeah so that's valid that way to me to me um nori is not as influential as drink champs it's drink champs that makes it you know

what i mean so yeah i got you i respect the list don't get it twisted I liked it where I was at. It was cool. I'm lost. Where were you at? I was like five or something like that. I was five and they was like influencers. I respect being ahead of Elliot. No, I don't know. I'm not an influencer. I'm a... They had you as influencer?

I felt like I had OnlyFans. You had you as a TikToker? You a TikToker? I felt like I had OnlyFans. You had you as a TikToker? You a TikToker? Yeah. I felt like I had a TikTok on, motherfucker. I don't even got a TikTok. Like, who am I influencing? I'm influencing shit that was already out.

I'm interviewing fucking EBMD, motherfucker. Like, how am I influencing? They was the influencer. And I'm just influencing the audience. So I fuck it. But it was cool. I loved it. Car Place.

I'm not. How do you feel when you have one of those interviews and you're about to drop that on us I loved it Car Place I'm not How do you feel When you know You have one of those interviews You about to drop that on us And like we don't see it coming How do you feel now? That's how I felt About the Tony Yayo I kid you not

Really? Yeah I mean I knew it was dope But No you made a good point last night You said like Everybody did Yayo Yeah

Vlad's like paying him To sit with him and shit So let's keep it 100 Yes that's true I don't pay Like it's 40k to sit with me No I'm paying you shit I believe him and shit. So let's keep it 100. Yes, that's true. I don't pay niggas 40K to sit with me. No, I'm paying you shit. I believe it's 5 to 10K.

Go ahead, Vlad. Go ahead, Vlad. But the fact that Yeo's outside doing so much pressing shots. Shout out to Yeo. He's a good dude. I watch him on the reference club. I watch him on Vlad TV. How does Nori make that special?

That's the beauty of what you do. The thing about it is it's always sitting there watching and saying, ooh, he don't know what he got. She don't know what she got. And I'm realizing it. I'm looking at them and I'm like, yo, one, I was in

the locker room with yeah, yo. That's the difference. That's the difference between me being a journalist, me saying, you know what? But not only that, if you don't really realize, I just had a clip where I was like, yo, 50 and Nelly. I put kind of both of y'all on. Nelly used to be with me.

Go ahead. Keep going. I'll pop another one. You better know how to pop it. I can't do it. I can pop it. Okay, cool. So hold on.

This one's still open. This one's still open. Oh, my bad. Sorry to give me El Especial. Sorry, I didn't mean to. Yeah, yeah, yeah me yeah yeah yeah yeah come on so um so uh uh when i said that i said to nelly and because you know nelly used to hang out in penalty records and in 50 i was the first person to do a feature with 52 times yes sir so then i said i was just playing around and i saw the comments and I saw that everybody's like, yo, that's so dope.

And I was like, you know what? It's Yayo's time. It's the loyal person's time. It's Gunplay's time. Stand up, Jesus. It's Memphis Bleak's time. It's Jim Jones' time. Yeah.

You know what I mean? It's Jungle's time. It's Emery's time. Yeah, yeah. It's Tata's time you know to me it's all the people that were standing next to the man as the man that's that man now that people don't know about yeah you understand saying and I thought about that because a lot of people don't understand which is crazy Was Capone was on before me Yeah I remember I remember

Faith Newman Yep Capone was signed to Faith Newman So in all actuality I'm not the front man of CNN I'm actually The Jim Jones of CNN I'm actually

Wow I'm actually The Tony Ayo of CNN In the beginning In the beginning I just I took the motherfucking 50 cent seat But I started out The hardest The hottest shit I don't know if you know yeah you're seeing it in the beginning in the beginning i just i took the 50 cents see

but i started out the hardest the hottest i don't know if you don't know remember tommy when we did the solo record yes they put out a snippet they had like no that was penalty records no no no i can't let you take that away from my dad oh that was good Sean Lillivine Sean Lillivine Lillivine That was Lillivine Sean with the sauce That snippet shit Yes On tape I got it And then everybody

That was ever fronting up Cause you know the whole thing Was like CNN We got Mobb Deep They sound like Mobb Deep That's right I love that you brought that up Remember that

Yes I love that So then I'm gonna keep it on you So then Nori steps out Yeah You know Sadly

Come on I had to do what I had to do Yep Nori steps out And then it's just like, oh, y'all Nori fans all of a sudden? Everybody's like, even your man Dave Mays running around like, oh, Nori's amazing.

And I'm like, wait, word? That's what it was? He wouldn't give me the cover of it either. But that snippet though with the... A lot of people don't know, if you remember that snippet, I Love My Life, it was Nas singing that hook. It wasn't called Time. I have that on hook. Yeah. It wasn't called time. I have that on vinyl with Nas.

Oh! Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have that vinyl. Yeah, yeah. The white label. So, um... Now, but you was that, but how did that feel?

You used the hottest thing right there, instantly. Oh, um... In the game. All over the country. Down south, he was fucking with it. Yeah, no.

It wasn't instantly. What I did was, um... I kind of realized the world was leaving New York City. I knew it because I went down south and Juvenile them had already had their own movement. Oh, yeah, yeah. Eclipse and them kind of had their own movement. This is after Capone and O'Reilly. This is me going on tour with Capone. 98, 98, 98. them kind of had their own movement. This is after Capone and this is me going to 98, 98, 97, 97, 98. Because I made the album in 97.

So this is and I kind of knew so when I kind of knew like other areas is having a moment. We connected in 97. Yes. So invested in our relationship. So I mean, wow wow I made the album actually in Miami oh I didn't know that I mean half of the album I make most of the album and the other half with track master tone yeah Tony Polk and Steve Stout you don't get enough credit for the NRA album John Mishka jungle you

know they all brung me for half of the album I did the Miami and the other half I did it's Beersville so I didn't but when I went to the clubs in Miami, what I would understand was they would be like this. And I was like, so in Pharrell, this is the funniest shit in the world. I connect Pharrell, I got the tight shirt on. Everybody is working four or five acts. What color was it? I don't remember remember but it wasn't it wasn't gangster color

whatever it was it wasn't gangster color and he had a tight shirt and he said to me I listened to two beats and he said listen to this third beat and I remember

exactly he's like don't listen to this third beat till you get to Miami and I had a walkman on this was CD shit and I listened to the first beat I listened to the second beat

and I was so curious for the third beat I landed went to the Kent Hotel, I listened to the second beat, and I was so curious for the third beat. I landed, went to the Kent Hotel, whatever, whatever. The Kent Hotel still is open. The most nastiest hotel. I'm going to just stay there just to humble myself. For real? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to stay there, not even go in the room.

I'm just going to the bar, just leave. You know what I'm saying? Just to humble myself. But anyway, I wrote the whole Superdog there. As soon as I heard that shit, I wrote that shit, I came back, and when I realized that this was a South beat, no matter how New York I rhymed on it. It was. So that was my first record that resonated in the South. Like I was number one in New York, but I was number one in the South at the same time.

Yeah, yeah. And I was really number one in the Bay Area. The only place I wasn't number one was L.A. And I always attributed that to like, oh, OK, maybe the L.A., L.A. shit. So I spent so much time in L.A. at that time trying to do it. And that's where I formed all my relationships. But let's get back to you. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network.

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I laugh. You know, I love jokes. I love funny. I love laughing. I laugh at myself. I don't take myself too seriously. That's the stuff that keeps you young and stops you from being so hard. To hear this and more things on the journey of healing, you can listen to Just Heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. AT&T. Connecting changes everything.

Journalism. In the beginning, it was this mic system. The mic system in the beginning. That shit was important, right, Norton? Yo, listen. I don't want to say in the beginning, like, the hip-hop, I'm saying in the beginning. That shit was important, right, Norton? Yo, listen. Those mics meant everything.

I want to say in the beginning, like, this is the beginning of the hip-hop. I'm saying the beginning from my version. Like, when the mic system happened, I remember if you went, you got four mics, you immediately went gold. You immediately went platinum. Was that something that was left up to you, or that was something that was the staff meaning? They told me that you have to like get the advanced cassettes because that's the whole thing. Press would send the advanced cassettes. They dub it. You make cassettes for everybody on

staff and then we're going to have a big meeting and discuss it. I remember it was early in the year. It was like April or so. It wasn't a big release. It was like Warren G and like some other releases that nobody cared about. I called the meeting and nobody shows up to the meeting. Because of the music you're saying?

Yeah, because it wasn't priority. If Rocky M comes out with his album, everybody cares. What are you saying? They told me that I'm the music editor. I have a mic meeting with the people. I gave them the records coming in.

I dubbed the cassette for everybody. I gave them the copies. Was. And they're not showing up to the meeting. I dubbed the cassette for everybody. I gave them the copies. This is the part I'm not understanding. Was the mic system already in play? Yeah, it was already happening. No, it was already happening. I was in charge of it. Okay, okay, okay.

But it had already been happening. So they said it has to go through a process to get to what you think it should be. Okay, okay. All right, my bad. Which is involving everybody involved. So when I reached out to everybody and they were receptive, I'm like, I'm just going to do what I want. Right. And then I'll get someone hides it to Times Editor-in-Chief.ave mays the publisher right so if they agree that's what's gonna be so

every time you know i would bring it to them and that's what it was but i didn't do the whole like big meeting you know like it was like i cared about it so much i was like yo you have to trust it that's my opinion now what you remember i remember the funny thing which you was like so cna comes in, again, the shit is hard, but then like, certain records didn't make the album because of samples and shit.

Yep. With Nas, the joint, Rob Ali. We wanted five so bad. Yeah. We wanted four and a half at least so bad. But I fought for four.

Right, right. I wanted to give you all three and a half, three bucks. I fought, yeah. I was a bit bad. No, it's how people are at. You're up with the four mics and the thing.

And like, no, but you remember, you pushed the album back. No, what happened was this. You fucked me, Nori, with that shit. Because I looked over at it. You're right. But what happened was we sampled Closer, the Sam Snead record. And then they wouldn't clear it. And then we put the album out and the album actually did good

And the people that we sample for Sam Steve call back. It was like we Yeah, we and even um, you gotta remember we have I Don't remember if this is in the review, but we have Oh I don't remember if this is in the review, but we have Nas music, Make These Thugs, Calm Down. And we couldn't only not clear Nas, but we couldn't clear the samples. It's wild. Because the budget was gone. So that's the reason why, God bless, because it sounds so crazy.

But you remember that with Maddox, because You wasn't known enough yet And we was early Right This is KRS-One Still KRS-One Right So I gave him Lead review We gave him

Three and a half mics Right They was mad Right And then right after that CNN four mics Right That's why people was mad

It was just like Oh So I call a lot of heat For that year fam Hold on Let me ask you this And be honest As you can

Yo why you keep Asking me to be Let me ask you this and be honest as you can. Yo, why you keep asking me to be honest? What do you mean I'm not honest? Did you ever feel that you had regional bias when you were

reviewing some of the music that wasn't from New York? No, I had to change that, though. I'm going to tell you because humbly I realized that I love New York but New York ain't shit.

So here's where the magic happens. Don't say New York shit. No, I mean, no. Yeah, we raised it. You're a fan of it. My bad, but New York ain't shit. So here's where the magic happens. No, don't say New York shit. No, I mean, no. Yeah, we're racing that. You're a fan of him. My bad, my bad. That sounded crazy.

No, but I meant like... I'm going to get people mad. No, no, no, no, please. I meant that you can't... I got your back. I love y'all. I'm the ultimate New York nigga. I can't even drive.

But I know our fans. So, yeah. They'll take his little clip. Nah, nah. I'm New York for life. I'm a New Yorker to my core. Me too, right. So wherever I live, I'm a New Yorker. Let it be a problem, which is different.

But my point is, I remember in business, New York doesn't show up the way... New York is a loud voice, but it's a smaller thing, and the world is very big. You get caught up in that. So sometimes I got it right, sometimes I got it wrong. Dipset with Jim Jones, he was mad at me for a long time. We good now. Shout out to Papo. big right you get caught up in that so sometimes i got it right sometimes i got it wrong dip set

with jim jones he was mad at me for a long time we good now shout out to papo because i didn't think dip set was like a national thing i thought it was a new york thing right i was wrong right i didn't realize they wearing the jeans and the belts and like so i was international at the time but i didn't see it at that time and i got it wrong. I remember doing a cover where it's like, I'm going to do a Jadakiss cover and Nelly. So Jadakiss, he's on the cover of 10 markets, literally from Maine down to Florida.

All the East Coast markets. And then I'm going to do Nelly across Midwest to the West. And I would sell and I would see the power of your fan. I would know, okay, cool. That's what it is. You can't get so caught up in that side of the globe, that Eastern run of like. So you're saying you can read the algorithms. That's what makes it cool.

Okay. That's a smart way of saying he created the algorithms. That was good though. Because you're discovering the power of these artists in terms of what it means numbers wise, like business numbers, whatever. New York, we created them. artists in terms of what it means numbers wise like business numbers whatever new york musical musical taste you might have said you might have discovered that and still not thought the music was good but it's kind of like what nori's saying earlier we we're proud new yorkers we we created this whole right absolutely don't get it up hit him on 50. but at the same time it's not us

to possess forever he saw the trends changing. That's how he started moving a different way, which was the lineage even for Drink Chats to be here now. Absolutely. That's the adaption. I'm like, yo, if this guy Nelly, it doesn't matter if New York doesn't think he's hip-hop enough, or he's not the cooler. In the Midwest and the West,

there's a whole other world. Acknowledge that. I used to hang with Nelly when him and Cooler Love used to try to get a deal at Penalty Records. I used to just hang with Nelly, just be around Nelly. When it was not cool to be around 50 Cent, I used to be around 50 Cent. When it was not cool to mess with Cash Money, I was with Cash Money. Hell no. When it was not cool to even know who Lil Wayne was, I was with Lil Wayne because I was traveling to these markets,

and I was realizing these markets had something. And it wasn't that I wasn't proud to be from New York but I was just still proud to say let me introduce this to my markets. And now we're looking at it the same way I looked at reggaeton. When I saw reggaeton I was like yo this shit is going

to pop because there's nothing like I'm so sorry I'm married and my wife is right there. You know what I'm saying? But there's nothing like a I'm so sorry I'm married and my wife is right there, you know what I'm saying, but there's nothing like a Latina woman just grinding and you just looking at her, whoa, you going like him. You going like him. Why is she a Latina woman?

That's right, that's right, I don't have to apologize, my bad, but you're good, I'll pop another one. You don't, you got no faith in you. But yeah, so it was like that and the I say, yeah, I'll pop another one. You don't, you got no faith in you. But, yeah, so it was like that. And the thing is, man, our culture is so beautiful, man. When you really think about it, man. I love it. I love it.

So tell us about this Roc Nation brunch. Yo, B-Dot be having his chest out and shit. He be wearing shorts. Yeah, I be seeing y'all, man. B-Dotg be having his chest out and shit. He be wearing shorts. I be seeing y'all, man. B-Dawg make sure he pops his watch. I'm going to say his last one though was dope because we got working after that. So it's like,

like Tyler, the creator. Like I did an interview with him 10 years ago. Yes. And I've been trying to talk to him for 10 years. Who by the way, Tyler, the creator, man? Yo, he be an ill drink chance. We got to love that. I'll be getting crown. Who, by the way, Tyler, the Creator Man? Yo, he be an ill drinker. We got to love Tyler, man.

Oh, Randy Hunter! We got, like, the greatest relationship. Like, it started out weird, and it's like, it's still weird. No, he's a great kid. I fucking love Tyler, the Creator Man. He loves hip-hop. I love him, I love him. He's a great kid. He loves hip-hop.

So, wherever you at, Tyler. So, what happened was that brunch, like, I have my history with him. It was his first time at the brunch. Uh-huh. But, you know, he's a little socially awkward. He's a weird kid. So, like, I felt like we was, like, protecting him. Like, fans are coming up.

We're, like, trying to grab me and B-Dot. And him and B-Dot, like, talked for, like, 40 minutes. They had a great conversation. Like, then all of a sudden it was time to do a podcast. So, it was dope. do a podcast. Tyler. God damn it. I got to go, Nano? No, no, no. Okay, all right.

That's Shula, Shula, Shula. The brush was great for us because that helped us bond with Tyler to get that interview. Babyface, too. Him and his wonderful girl, Rika in his camp

that does his shit. Right. Kicked it with him. Wow. So I felt like that was a major networking thing that led to that good podcast

after that. So shout out to the Runs. Yeah, shout out to the Rock Nation Runs. But nobody got more Ace than Nori.

How did you do that, Nori? No, I ain't gonna lie because nobody got more Ace than Nori. Let me just say something.

I love that, but let me just say something to the cameras because nobody drink more Ace than Nori. No, I ain't going to lie. Nobody got more ace than you, Nori. Let me just say something. I love that, but let me just say something to the cameras. Because nobody drink more ace than Nori. And that's a fact. And by the way, let me just say y'all something. Because I was saying that earlier. What did we do earlier? I forget.

The Monster 52. Monster. Let me just tell you something. If it's hip hop, if it's a trail burger,, I'm gonna find out where the Trill Burger is, and I'm gonna hunt that down, and I'm gonna eat me a Trill Burger. If it's motherfucking Ace of Spades, this is hip-hop, I know the owner, I know the person that invented it, why would I ever drink any other champagne if I'm a champagne drinker? If it's Deleon, if it's motherfucking, what is that shit called? Tequila?

If it's Tequila, I ain't drinking nothing else but motherfucking Deleon. And that's a fact. And if it's Cognac, as long as Hove is involved, I ain't doing it. And if it's Hen-Nas- See? Hen-Nas-

See? You know I'm drinking every last sip Because if hip hop is involved Well you forgot my Moana bro You gotta tell them how much you like my Moana Yes Even my Moana Is created by hip hop

In the tub Of Kindle In bath water With people With feet stepping on it I don't mind I'm not gonna personally drink it But I'm gonna watch EFN drink it

And I'm gonna support him As he such. If it's finger licking and it's about chicken, I'm going to support it. I'm going to support it. What else we got in hip hop? Come on. Wingstop? I'm going to support it. Bel Air? I'm going to support it. Bamboo? Bamboo, I'ma support it. Because Ja Day, Jim Jones. Listen, anything hip-hop. Even Patti LaBelle pies. Even her pancakes, her breakfast. If it's hip-hop, I'm supporting it.

I'm doing it. This is what we do. And if you're hip-hop, I'm supporting it. I'm doing it. This is what we do. And if you're hip-hop and you're not doing that, that's the problem with us. And especially, this is why I'm going to just relate it to Bum B's Trill Burgers. If you have never had a Trill Burger, it's one of the best burgers on the planet,

if not the best burger on the planet. So I'm not only telling you to support hip-hop, but I'm telling you to support some real genuine quality shit. When I tell you to drink Ace of Spades, I'm not telling you to support it just because of hip-hop. I'm telling you this is the best champagne on the motherfucking planet. Talk to him. And this is real talk. A lot of these products, most of these products that I name is the best shit on the motherfucking planet. And you know the owners.

Or you know the co-owners. Why wouldn't you support that? Whiskey, A$AP Rocky. Oh, A$AP Rocky's whiskey. Boosie's cognac. What was it, Wiz Khalifa's joint? Come on, bring them in. Randy Akinavi kicking you out.

I'm sorry. Come on, bring them in. Don't you ever disrespect me pulling up with my interview. Don't you ever disrespect me pulling up on my interview. Don't you ever disrespect me pulling up on my interview. I don't disrespect you looking like a waiter. What's going on, man? Yo, yo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm with you now. Yeah, I'm talking about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm passing the torch. Yes, yes, yes. So Nims, let me first off congratulate you, bro. I meant to say that to you earlier. First time I see Paul Rosenberg come back outside.

Word. PR. Yeah. My God. Come back outside. You brought him out. And what's great about that is, you know, he's really, really rich.

So super rich. He don't have to. He doesn't have to look rich. So if you can, if you want, let me get some of that. Let me get some of that. Today's a little wilder day than yesterday. I like it. I like it.

Is there more in there? So how does this process happen? Who calls you? I don't even know. I'm excited. I'm excited. Well, he has a history. He can tell you, but he has a history with it.

He told us. You had Stretch Armstrong. I don't know. Fuck my shit. Nah, so look. Back in the days when I was battling, doing the Fight Club shit. Fucking with Riggs. I was fucking with Riggs.

Morales. Riggs Morales. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Riggs Morales. He's an American. Full of course. Yes. He's got a sister.

So he used to take me up to Shady every week and was like, yo, Nims, you killing everybody with the battle shit. We love your music. At Shady, we want to start developing you as an artist. Wow. With the jam. Wow. Wow.

And then I came home and I was back on my bullshit. And they just stopped returning my calls. I was like, damn, that was my shot. I fucked up. What year is that? This is like early 2000s. Damn. Right?

When 50 just came in. Nah, 50 just went diamond. Yeah. I remember Riggs had the diamond fucking club. Let me just say something. I want to say I apologize, right? Because let me just say something. Vin, Vin is rooting for you.

And I was just like, damn. And I was like, yo, I need 10 years. And then P-Rock posted you the other day. And then I looked and then I had to call Vin

and I was like, I did not know. There you go, 10 years. Yes, I did not know. My bad. So I apologize.

You can face the face. Continue. And yo, I just put my head down and kept putting in hard work. You know what I'm saying? Like, I stopped all the bullshit. Like I said before in the monster shit, I stopped drinking. I stopped doing drugs.

And I just focused on making this shit happen. Right. And I started doing the album with Scram Jones during the pandemic. And, you know, Scram is, they cool with Paul. And Paul, we played on the album, and he was like, yo, I see what you want to do. I fuck with this album, this shit is fire. And he was like, yo, give me a couple months. I got you. And then he started Goliath.

You know, Goliath was management. It was like, yo, we started Goliath. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a record label. Yeah, we're going to start the record label, and, you know, you're going to be the first artist. Goliath, Virgin. Oh the label. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a record label. Yeah, we're going to start the record label. And, you know, you're going to be the first artist. Goliath, Virgil. Oh, wow.

That's dope, man. So the album's there. There we go. We got to make noise. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was so happy when I read the article I'm sitting there reading. And I'm like, obviously, I'm an older, older, I'm an older, older, older name.

So, you know, sometimes I don't, How are you older that much? Yeah, you ain't that old. No, I'm older than you. No,

but you got to realize, you got to realize, why? Like, I'm out of this world sometimes. Like, I really looked at this, like one day,

I was just sitting there talking to people that's randomly just talking and that name in the country and I was like, I've been there. And I was like, they didn't even look at it. I was like, I've been there and i was like they didn't look at it like i've been there i was like i've been there so like that shit just makes me older because i actually traveled around the world and i actually did all this shit like you know i mean so when um i seen the post and i seen people saying yo he's been

doing it for years and then today i'm seeing'm seeing Rosenberg and Rosenberg was breaking it down. And I was sitting there like, damn. That's what's crazy about hip-hop. Like I was saying at that session, like when I went to that Kid Cudi thing, like I didn't know that there was a whole another version of hip-hop. I thought you could

only be tough. I thought you could only be tough or only be like... But they said alternative. Oh, yeah. They said alternative. Hipsters is what it really is. So just so you know,

just to reiterate what I said earlier, I was like stuck in hip-hop purgatory. Now, hip-hop purgatory is real because it's either you get another hit or you miss and it's done for you. It's you miss and it's done for you. And then your legacy is done too. And your legacy is done. So you got to be very careful.

So I'm sitting around with the money I got and I'm out on L.A. and Alchemist says to me, yo, I want to do you a favor. And I was like, do me a favor? What do you want to do? He's like, I want you to come out with me tonight and I want you to go to this Kid Cudi show.

So I was like, I bet. And the minute I walked in this Kid Cudi show, they were like, you're the god. You're the fucking... And I was like, and they all was... They didn't say I was the god because of me. They were saying, you put on Pharrell. The first time we seen it, I was like, holy shit. And Pharrell

had created this whole nother source in between him and Kanye. And I did not know, like, I was good in that neighborhood. I didn't know that. I was just like, holy shit. So what is a time in hip hop that you have discovered that there's five different hip hops? Right when I came out of jail, dude, Necro, hit me up. Wow. He's mad like underground.

Yeah, he's mad underground. So before he hit me up, I didn't know him from a hole in the wall. He seen me on like MySpace. I was like, yo, I want to take you on a tour with me and sign you in my label. Wow. And I went on tour with him.

The rip like that? Yeah, yeah. Just off of like the songs he heard from me. From seeing the crap, every show he had was packed. Every show a naked bitch came out. Every show. Wow.

Off the audience would come out and get butt naked on stage. I'm like, yo, he let me know that you don't have to have a song on the radio to be commercial. Right. Become a millionaire in this game. Really do your thing. Right. So once I seen that, I was like, I'm going to keep going,

doing what the fuck I do, and it's going to stick, whether it's major or independent. It's just, I'm going to do my own thing, man. I'm going to fuck with nobody else. Say, fuck your life if you don't like me. Fuck your life. You know what I'm saying? Fuck your life. Fuck your life.

Let me tell you what I think was important and what I saw when I just started seeing all your stuff. And this is what I think is dope about hip-hop is authenticity will always win you got to trust it though because too too much in this entertainment business yeah you don't want to be authentic chasing the crowd chasing it you want to get on hip-hop if you're ahead you always know authenticity is going to win and it shines through like when you see it and i saw that in everything he was doing man that's the ef shouts to EFN, man. EFN. I just met him today, and when I met him, it felt like we was

homies for years. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And he's just been showing wild love since we started following each other. Let me tell you something about EFN. Since we all giving each other flowers. He will not sell out at all. I'll sell the fuck out. I'm selling out, bro. I don't give a fuck.

Yo, let the check be right. I'm selling the fuck out, bro. He like the money, but he does not like the integrity. He does not like it. No, no, I like integrity. But, Lurie, here's how you fucked up, though. You made him rich without having to do it, so he's never going to do it. No. Yeah.

And by the way, that's... We made each other rich. No, hold up. When I first was black, when Jen Chan first started, I always used to shit on this motherfucker. What is he doing sitting here? I always used to shit on this motherfucker. What is he doing sitting here? I'm going to be honest. You're about to kick him out. Don't ever disrespect me.

I'm going to be honest. You ain't hear it earlier, but let me just tell you something. Elliot is a goat when it comes to journalism. Absolutely. And I'm saying he is a goat to his face. You know, a lot of people don't want to, you know, sometimes a lot of people say you're a goat

behind your back or whatever. I'm going to say it to your face. You know what I mean? You are a goat. And a lot of us was trailblazing.

You know, it's like Drink Chance Rap Radar, like the whole podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We brought the spirit of like that and raised the level of it.

I definitely believe that. And by the way, I don't want to take away any other podcast. No disrespect to everybody else. No disrespect because I don't mean that at all. But what I meant was in this climate, it was like when Ja Rule and DMX was going at it. You know who benefited? Def Jam. And at the time, it was like Rap Radar and Drake Champs was going.

And they thought there was no real money in it, too that was you know who benefited at the time cbs we were both sides of cbs so it was like but we learned that and now what you're seeing now which even when you see god bless i don't mean this like that but even when you see gilly and joe and them go at it yeah and you see that shit is just raising the absolutely Because every time they do Whatever it is The fans gonna go that way And see what you said about him And by the way

I'm gonna tell you something I'm gonna tell you something That's real Joe Button Exists without Million dollars worth of game Million dollars worth of game Exists without

Rap Radar Rap Radar Exists without Academics Doesn't exist to me No no no What I'm saying is Is exists without rap radar. Rap radar exists without academics. It doesn't exist to me. No, no, no. What I'm saying is we don't actually

do the same thing. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We don't do the same thing. Like, honestly, that's the reason why I wanted to prove that by having Tony Yeo

because I seen Tony Yeo at the Breakfast Club. DJ Khaled, get the fuck out of here. That was awesome. Yeah. Well, listen, listen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That at the Breakfast Club. DJ Khaled, get the fuck out of here! Yeah! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on. I seen Tony Yeo at the Breakfast Club.

You fuck, man! Get the fuck out of here! That was a cover shoot that, oh, in the club. Yes, they told me. That magazine cover was the MJ-50. That was in the club shoot. And Suke pulled up. They were like, oh shit.

Yeah, yeah. That was in the club shoot. It was the same video shoot. Hold up. I don't know it. So what I'm saying is, let me just finish it out. So what I'm saying is,

in all actuality, we're not in competition. Like, at the end of the day, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm not saying this because Elliot is here. If an artist is coming there to have them review their music there's no better person to go to Elliot when it's about

their music yeah yeah what if I'm gonna ask you about some some crazy shit yeah yeah yeah nah you get the stories out of them bro yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because I know how it is to be an artist the story behind the story so the him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I know how it is to be an artist. It's the story behind the story. It's the story behind the story. Yeah, exactly. I might bring it up.

You're going to take shit out of him that he can't because he don't get it. That's a hard part. He's going to take shit out of him that you can't. But a hardcore interview, I'm going to go to Elliot.

Like, for me, when it comes time to tell my story, I'm going to go to Elliot because I understand that there's a difference we would do. And your friend told me that a long time ago.

He was like, stop fucking saying you're a journalist. And I was like, damn. Wow. He was saying, stop. We're not journalists, bro. I look at you guys as journalists. You guys are documenting. We're not fact-checking everything.

If you're lying to us, we're not fact-checking. We're not fact-checking. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you.

We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you.

We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening to you. We're listening're gonna talk to Nori is different. The whole thing is different. Right, right. So, and that's really what it is.

But, man. Now, how does it feel grinding all these years? Woo! Now finally getting this deal. Talking nicely. Finally getting this deal. Now. Fucking validation.

Yeah! Fucking validation. Let's make some love for validation. Yeah. Because, is you moving out of Coney Island? Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. You know what's funny? I was with Sebastian Telford, an NBA player.

Coney Island, he's got the building right behind me. He was like, yo, if I could do it all over, I'd build a big ass club right in the hood. I was like, in my mind, out loud, I was like, me, me, your word. In my mind, I was like, not me. Get the fuck out of here, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, it's just, bro, I was tired of my whole family when I moved up for Christmas. Yo, you still rapping?

Yo, when you going to be on the radio? Right. Why you curse too much? You ain't never going to be on the radio. Now I got little kids in fucking Oklahoma yelling out, fuck your life. You know what I'm saying? Like, that shit is just validation. But to you, I wouldn't be the artist I was.

I got everything. I got, I got the war report. Right. N-O-R-E, Melvin Flint, the reunion. I got all that shit. Melvin Flint! Hell yeah. I know you explained the CockE, Melvin Flint, The Reunion. I got all of that shit. Melvin Flint! Hell yeah. Awesome.

I know you explained the Cocker Spaniel line, all that. You ready? Explain this. You stick a broom in your butt. That's how you got hair, boo. Yeah. Whoa. That's my favorite Nori line.

Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. It's hey, yo. It's hey, yo. It's hey, yo. Nori says, yo, Nori is one of and only rapper that can say some shit like that.

All right. And niggas still fuck with Ayo. That shit is hard. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest. You can tell me that, Ayo. No, no. I'm gonna be honest with you.

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AT&T, connecting changes everything. One of my favorite artists was Biz Markie. And when Biz Markie said, I stick a boogie in my boogie, he put it on a basketball and he passed it to you. It was outrageous. It was outrageous. So I knew I wasn't smart

enough to say, when I was 12, I went to hell for snuffing Jesus. I knew I wasn't smart enough for that. So I was like, you know what? Let me dumb my shit down and let me speak to the special education people that went to school with me I love so like cuz like I mean I loved it, you know, you don't understand how many special education teachers Called me after I won the award we won the award and they was like when I said yo Sal's a special education

I was in the resource room resource room teachers special education teachers was like yo can I use this cause I guess they don't have permission they think they'll get sued

yeah yeah yeah so I was like yeah so I just be I always wanted to do that um I don't know you can make it out of special ed and do your thing. Since Ban From TV, Ban From TV.

Hello. I purposely wanted to go last. I mean, it was on your album. And that was the era to go last, too, though. No. Yeah, yeah. Now it's first. You know what?

You're right. It was leaving that era, though. So I was trying to hold on to that era. Now Z has a turning point. See, I was trying to hold on to that era. Right. And I was, like, scared. Like, I'm trying to hold on to that air now Z as turnable yeah I was trying to hold on to that and I was like scared like I'm and I said cuz I said um Hennessy straight shot of tomato juice but it couldn't fit it. So Hennessy straight. You're looking at me dead serious. When he said that, he looked at me dead serious. No, because they really, Hennessy straight,

shot of tomato juice. And then Hennessy straight, shot of tomato juice. So Hennessy straight, with tomato juice, fit, fit more. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I knew people always would never understand me, but, same thing with Pharrell. When I did, what, what, what, what, what, what, that was a hook.

That was, that was never, and then Pharrell said, you know what, what, what, what, what, what, what, that was a hook. That was never. And then Pharrell said, you know, and when I said, I light a candle, run laps around the Ines Channel. Then it was I got a cock and spank you. Well, at that time in Queens, it was a gun. So, yeah. So, like, a cock and spank was a.22. You know what I mean?

A rock and roll was a.45. It was some dumb shit. But I always wanted the shock value, I always wanted to do when people go ooh, ooh and I didn't care which way it was and the more simplistic I made it, what I understood is

all of the war report never got played in the club, and that hurt me that hurt me the whole war report they got played in the hood. And that hurt me. That hurt me the whole time. But they got played in hoods all over the fucking world. They got played in the hoods. But you got to remember, when I got on stage, that wasn't who I was.

T-O-N-Y. And B-A-N-Y. If I didn't actually jump to T-O-N-Y, you wouldn't jump to T-O-N-Y. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just think about it. It's mad low.

Niggas try to shit on me and make history, supposedly. But now, if I perform it this way, niggas try to shit on me and make history. But in all actual perform it this way then you just try to yeah yeah yeah but in all actuality just think about the rhythm of it and i realized i was like damn this is great but it's not who i am i wanted to

and god bless god because i don't know if I'm answering your question but but then Pharrell came in and I'm just being honest with you like me and him spoke the other day but it was just like

like we were really like Batman and Robin beauty and the beast really because who's the beauty who's the beast I'm definitely the beast

I'm definitely the beast because he he actually knew and I remember his words to me, I swear to God, I remember, he's like, yo, no one listens to me, but the person that does is going to go number one and they're going to listen to me right to the bank. Yeah, that's a good point. They wouldn't connect to his vision yet about shit, right? No one would.

He had so many ill views. He was a ghost producer. Yeah, for real. They didn't want ghost producer yeah he's a genius now but like yeah back then nobody knew he was there in front of him yeah yeah because he looked different yeah he kind of says he's different he looked different i definitely got the best version nor was the first to kind of break him in that and that's why he loves knowing forever yeah i love i like that you're forever and. And you're crazy. And let me just tell you something.

Let me tell you something. A couple of times I just cried recently. My man, Twin, his father just passed away. I went to the funeral. I cried there. But when I seen

the Louis Vuitton thing, and by the way, I just left Paris. And I hit Pharrell, and Pharrell was like, yo, stay. And I did not know why he was telling me to stay.

I just went to the Mafia Coast. I felt rich. I was like, let me just get the fuck out of here. But had he said, yo, this is my Louis Vuitton, because Pharrell is just so humble. No matter how much he get, he was like, yo, stay. I want to show you something. And had I knew what he was talking about. Wow.

Because when I seen that, it wasn't that Hove came out. It wasn't that Tyler came out. It was like, this is a guy that I actually see. And his was fucking crazy about this. My wife is out here. You can ask her. You can ask her your own. Huh?

Oh, you like my shorts? What the fuck? He's just like, don't you ever you like, you like my shorts? What the fuck? Yo. Nigga's just like, don't you ever disrespect me. I like my shorts, man. Yo, but you know what the crazy shit was?

Me and my wife was doing our, our, our 10th anniversary over. That's right, that's right, Lee. Um, 10th anniversary over. You know who was styling me? Who? Virgil that's crazy

wow Fort Louis Vuitton Fort Louis Vuitton so we went there that's some rich shit and no I just that's some hella rich shit

it is it is I ain't gonna lie Virgil did you no my man my man Felix

did that shit that's right yeah so it was airbrush what's crazy is My man Felix did that shit. Yeah. Sean Felix. It was airbrush. What's crazy is, like, Virgil sent us to some, like, remote spot for me to get fitted. I felt, I was so glad my wife was there because I felt crazy how they were touching me. I was like, wait a minute.

This ain't right. They went into places. I was like, wait a minute. I was like, all right, cool. This is how this happens? I'm like, all right. That's how you get an Illuminati? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, that's not Illuminati. You're a TARDIS. You're a TARDIS. Don't sacrifice me. Fuck your life. Fuck your life. Sweet as fuck. Fuck your Illuminati life.

You're definitely an Illuminati. Hell yeah, bro. You're their publicist. Don't ever disrespect me. You're the publicist for Illuminati, bro. That's some funny shit. The doomsday sign looks a little behind you right there. You got a stamp for that.

But the last time, Virgin was supposed to, and then, I say that to say it, it's weird, But the last time Virgil was supposed to And then I say that to say It's weird Because for this to happen To Virgil

And then Pharrell To actually You know Take over That's next level Yeah LV Shout out Pharrell

Make some noise for Pharrell And let me tell you something It's game work P. He's so focused like he immediately became designer Like you know, yeah, like like like you know, I like the president they said you got a couple months Yeah, like just went right in though. He knew he knows Like he's By the way, I'm spit. Like, he's been... I don't know this. By the way, I'm spitballing this.

I'm just saying, when I spoke to him, he was like, you don't understand, but what I'm saying is, in my opinion, this is a position that he's been waiting

for his whole life and he's going to kill this shit. Like, let me tell you something. I looked at all the designs. I looked at every last one of them

and I was like, this shit is ill. And I looked at all the designs. I looked at every last one of them, and I was like, this shit is ill. And I looked at Virgil's. I was at Virgil's last fashion show as well. It was fucking awesome. So I fucking love what Pharrell's doing, man. Pharrell, wherever you at, man. Come back to the camp. Skateboard, please.

Yes, yes. Guys, fuck that. You know about this. Come back to the drink champs. We had an amazing drink champs. Yes, yes. I'll Fuck that. You didn't know about this. We had an amazing drink chance. Yes. Yes.

Yes. I'll tell you that part later. But Pharrell, you know, I'm so proud of you, Pharrell. I'm so proud of your

wife, your children and what you're doing. And the fact that I had a piece to do with the beginning of that, I'm so honored. I'm so, you know, pleased. And I'm going to continue to support it.

And then you came out. I know, I know. Hold on, hold on, hold on. He came out the first fashion show with the Capone and Noriega Army Fatigue. And I was just like, I know he bought it. I don't know. But that's how I took it. I took it like, oh, he came out with the war.

War, war, war. Yeah. Oh, shit. And the whole family. So, um. Now, but, you know, we have him on the podcast finally. What was that like? That was amazing.

And you know what's crazy? How'd you feel right before and, like, talk to me about the whole shit? That's a great question. You know what's crazy? I'm good. I'm the best ever. That's a great question. You know what's crazy? I'm good. I'm the best ever. Hold up. That's how you know

you big when you make people take a COVID test before they meet you. Okay, yeah. Check it. I had to do that when I'm out with Logic.

It was like, yo, take this test first before you come in here. No, no. Check it. Check it. I don't want to make COVID test. Yeah, if I got it, so it. I'm a disrespected man. I don't know what I'm about to tell.

Yeah, if I got it, so what? It'll be all right. It'll be all right. I'm going to bless you. I'm going to bless you. Yo, this is a foul COVID test. This is a brick. No, listen.

Damn. Listen. Nah, they got your blood. It's the middle. It's the middle. Yo, he was a publicist, bro. But the boys, you guys are like, yo, I finally got here, but we got this fucking pandemic bullshit.

This nigga got his mask on. He took his shit off. Let me explain, let me explain. So, we're smack in the middle of COVID, but Miami opens back up. Miami opens back up. Fuck! Atlanta, yo, fuck your life. No, no Fuck Atlanta never closed

At least Florida closed Fuck your respiratory system Fuck your liver Miami opens up I think we do college before that We had Waka Flocka first We caught COVID Of our first our first episode off of COVID. We caught half the set, caught COVID.

I'm not saying that, Waka. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying we just all got it. It was about the beers. Everyone who drank a beer, we drank a beer. I was so glad I was so glad I was a champagne nigga At that time

But anyway Anyway Anyway Um And then So then This is why I respect For Rob

Because Me and him Was just talking Yep And he didn't wanna Like Like go through me To do the interview

So he was going Through his peoples So I was like Are y'all sure is he really coming like i just spoke to him yesterday brought up nothing about drink chance yeah yeah it was like three times i spoke to him we didn't bring about drink chance and then we got a group chat and i'm looking at like i'm not sure like like i'm not sure that's speaking to the right for real but then it's Lee, he's on all the Clips albums. He's on all the Clips albums

talking about he's on the cocaine and shit. I mean, that was back in the days. So anyway, at the very last minute, they said, yo, listen,

he's going to do it, but he wants all of y'all to have a COVID test. So we're like, fuck it. We know these guys just got over their shit. My bad. All of the FAA over their shit. My bad.

All of your big crews have it. My crew did not. My crew did not. We survived. So we going back there after all this blood. They got to pick our shit.

Yeah. Then Pharrell walks in and just like, I'm ready to record. You didn't even know how to record. Yeah. What are you doing?

Like, what have you come up with? Yo, by the way, I never caught COVID. I caught that shit three times. And the second time, I gave it to my mom. And my girl for Christmas. Hold that. This is right when Big Ball first happened, bro.

I was like, yo, I caught it. I had mad bookings that week. Bro, I ain't staying. The first time, I stayed in. The second time, I was like, yo, I'm not staying in that week. You went out. Bro, I ain't staying. The first time I stayed in, the second time, I was like, yo, I'm not staying in. Everybody getting this, bro. Fuck that.

Shout out to my mom. She had to go to the hospital. I knew it. But she all right, but she tough, bro. You know what I'm saying? You all right, you tough, bro? You tough, bro. Mama, you tough?

You caught COVID? Twice, yeah. Twice, damn. Yo, he got mad serious. Yeah. That's bullshit, bro. Twice, damn. Yo, he got mad serious. That's bullshit, bro. But he said he didn't catch COVID. He didn't test for that shit.

Yo, I got the flu. By the way, let me just tell you something. I test more than all three of y'all here. Let me just tell you something. I was filming Love & Hip Hop and Marist Boot Camp. Oh, they had you locked in your fucking hotel, bro. He was poor as hell. He wasn't outside. He was locked in a hotel. By in the fucking hotel, bro. Are you insane? He was for your dad. He wasn't outside. He was locked in the hotel.

By the way, listen, listen. The first day I go to Marist Boot Camp, they give me a bag. I like it. I like it. They tell me, stay in. But they also tell me, Drake got a party. I looked at my wife. I was like, I'm not sure.

We going out. I said, we going to Drake's party. And we went. And I'm trying to be modest. It's just me and my wife. I didn't go with no, because I'm there for Maricou. So I don't have nobody.

I got a driver outside. We're just going to be the driver of security. It's like, fuck it. I'd rather the driver because I could just, I'm just jumping in the car. So I'm like, all right, cool. So I got to depend.

And then, you know, Drake has the best security in the world. Just in case you don't know, like, real, like, nobody's doing nothing to Drake. I'm just telling y'all. Just leave him alone.

Just leave him alone. Don't with that. Just leave him alone. Don't you ever disrespect. Don't you ever disrespect Drake and try to approach him. Listen, so anyway, so I'm sitting there and then Chubbs see me. He goes, yo, what are you doing? Because I'm just sitting there being the modest. Oh, Chubbs said that to you? Yeah, because I'm just sitting there with me and my wife.

I'm sitting there being the most modest person. And he's like, what the fuck, legend? What are you doing? And I'm like, what's up, chubs? He's like, come on. You not see the boy? And I went over there. And I said, I see Drake.

And we just take shots immediately. And I was like, oh, shit. He's kind of doing drink chaps right now. He's making noise, doing all this. And then we take a picture, and it was so dope. But what I'm saying is, I don't even know why I put that up. But fuck it.

COVID, COVID, COVID. COVID, COVID, COVID. It's over there. All right, all right. So I'm not trying to post the picture. My wife posts the picture. They don't follow my wife at the time and then Drake reposted

and I was supposed to get fired that day I broke curfew and you had to get the bag back

no I wouldn't have given the bag back they would have sued me but luckily we came home. We took the COVID test. We took the COVID test that morning.

Negative. Negative. All that to say. Yeah, negative. So I say I took a COVID test Monday, Wednesday, and Friday for two and a half years. Yeah. For two and a half years, bro. So after I left Marist Boot Camp, I came home and I did, what happened?

I'm going to take a piss. Okay, go ahead. I did Marist Bootcamp, I came home, and I did Love & Hip Hop for another year and a half. You didn't have to do Love & Hip Hop. Yeah. I did it for a season and a half. Yeah, they ain't invite me back. I ain't got no drama.

No, that's... Yeah. I always look at them shows. I'm like, yo, if I was on them shows, there wouldn't be no drama. Like, I don't want to show that side. Even if there is drama, you won't see it. Yeah.

Straight up. I mean, to tell you the truth... Yeah, how do you approach that shit? How do I what? The whole reality. How do you approach that shit? How do I approach it? I never approached it.

I was like, I'm with it. Like, what it was was, I'm a fan shit? How do I approach it? I never approached it I was like I'm with it Like what it was Was I'm a fan of Marist Bootcamp If you've never seen it And if you're married Yeah

The Judge And look Styles was on it Styles was the hardest rapper Yeah Styles If you're like Yo I don't want to be soft

Styles did it Yeah Styles did it You know what I'm saying? That's the reason why Shout out to the Ghosts And by the way I'm going to be honest with you. You know,

me and Warwick have been together for so long, like, I actually listened to the therapy that I got. Like, I actually was sitting there, like, you know, not because, like, if there's a chance that I could,

my wife can't hear. Yeah, yeah. She can't hear. Just in case. If there's a chance, you know, I don't want y'all to like, but if there's a chance that I could love my wife can't hear she can't hear just in case if there's a chance you know I don't want y'all to like but if there's a chance that I can love my wife more

I'll take that chance to learn how to love my wife more because she saved me you know what I'm saying like she saved me like when when I was talking about

being in hip hop purgatory that's who was holding me down and just and just by the way hip hop purgatory don't mean you broke it just mean you just

don't know the next move to make you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And everybody judge you that way. Everyone judge you, yes. Everyone say, because you got to realize. You wish, you ain't good.

People say, ah, he can't do it no more. Yeah. Or it's over for him. And you can have all the money in the world, but that doubt fucks you up. I'm not, and I give you. All the opposite. They think you lit, but you have your own struggles now. Yes, yes. That's not. All the opposite. They think you lit, but you have your own struggles now. Yes,

yes, that's true. That's true. So everybody look at you like you rich, rich, rich, throwing money out the window. You're like,

yo dog, I'm trying to like, restructure my whole shit. That's why dudes like Fat Joe, dudes like Busta, gotta take notes, like younger artists. From artists like this,

Nori, you know what I'm saying? You gotta take notes. But you know what's wild? Like, like judging your energy, I saw Nori earlier, you seem like you like, you know, you have a heavy spirit of, like, you're a live

wire. I call them live wires. Nori, Gilly, Wallo, Joe Bunny, they're always that, too. Like, the ones that survive are like that. Yo, listen. When you don't... And authentic. And authentic.

Yeah, authentic. They're the ones that excel. I tell my story that I used drugs I did all this You know why? Because when you put it out there Nobody can use it against you You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to be me

Whether you like me or not If you don't like me So be it But you can't hold nothing against me So that character is what it was You can put me in any hood Anywhere I'm going to be good

Because I'm genuine I'm not faking to be somebody I'm not You know what I'm saying? I'm not the toughest I'm not But I'ma be good anywhere. I'ma be good because I'm genuine. I'm not faking to be somebody I'm not. You know what I'm saying? I'm not the toughest, but I'm a regular human being. You know what I'm saying? I adapt. And being from New York, especially Coney Island, there's everybody out there. There's Chinese, black, Puerto Rican.

We all like one. You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody be saying hip hop is like one race. It's a race. Can I ask you a question? How'd you start the whole don't ever disrespect me shit? I don't know. My album.

I don't know. My last album in 2021 before Ping Pong and none of that was taking off was coming out. And I was putting it out myself. And I was like, all right, I ain't got nobody to help me market this or promote this. I'm going to get the word out. So a week before, I just started everybody on my block block is mad, crazy people that walk by my block. It's like the top of Coney Island. You come to the train, wherever you're going, you got to pass my block.

And Coney Island is one way in, one way out. So if you're leaving Coney, you got to pass my block, too. So I just started putting up my phone and being like, yo, don't ever disrespect me looking like the Mario Brothers. My album coming out in seven days. And then I did it with six days. Then I did it with five days. And three. And two.

And then by the time it was time for my album to come out, people was like, yo, we kind of don't want your album to come out, man, because we want you to keep doing these videos. So I was like, yo. You know, it came out of necessity. You know what I'm saying? It came out of the hustle. No negative reactions from anybody you ever did that to?

Only one. A little alternative. You know what I'm saying? Came out of the hustle. No negative reactions from anybody you ever did that to? Only one. A little alternative. You know what I'm saying? A little alternative guy. And I didn't even go hard on him. I'm like, yo, don't disrespect me looking like a mini mobster. He had his hair back. He came up to me with his hand on my phone.

Yeah, yeah. I was like, yo, hold on. I'll smack this shit out of you. You know what I'm saying? That joking shit will end real quick. He just turned. He gave me one of those living color, like, hey, today. Like, one of those, ah, get out of here.

And he just kept it moving. And I was like, yo, hold on. I'm going to get you out of here. I'm going to get you out of here. I'm going to get you out of here. I'm going to get you out of here. I'm going to get you out of here. I'm going to get you out of here. I'm going to get you out of here. I'm going? That joking shit will end real quick. He just turned. He gave me one of those living colors, like, hey, today. Like, one of those, ah, get out of here. And he just kept it moving.

That was the only time ever somebody came at me. Oh, shit. Yeah, man. Because most of the time, I'm not doing it to be a dick. I'm laughing while I'm doing it. Right. Plus, I'm 6'4", 300 pounds. Like, if you really want to go that route, you can go that route.

I love it when they catch it when they laugh at it, too. Yeah, that's what everybody does. That's what I'm saying. I love what you said. I'm pardoning me for cutting you off, but I love what you said earlier. You said that if I joke on you, it's kind of a sign of love.

Facts. I'm not going to joke on a person that I don't know. Exactly. I'm not going to joke on a person where I think that I can go there. Exactly. You ain't going to compete

with somebody you don't respect. I'm not going to joke on you. If I don't like like you right i'm gonna just leave you over there man you're not here you don't deserve my job yeah exactly like that is like a term just like your life when i started it was like really like everybody's life but now it's just like a determination yeah your life people laugh at the you know what I'm saying? It's just like, you know, you just change it, the dynamics of it, you know what I'm saying? Right. Absolutely. So, um, what, so this is your first major label. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Woo! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, Norris good, Norris good, man. No, no, no. No, no, me and this guy, we battle all the time, and we say major or independent. Right. He's always independent, I'm always the time. And we say major or independent. Right. He's always independent.

I'm always major. But then we both have a twist to it. Yeah, yeah. Which means, I say, independent with a major distribution. And then he says, pretty much the same. No, I say, if you can function as an independent, you take advantage of the major system. That's what I'm trying to do. Right. So, yeah.

So, basically, it's like this. Because now I'm starting to see how the majors move. Independent, you can move how the fuck you want. If I want to put something out tomorrow, I put it out tomorrow. No autonomy. The major labels, man, they hold you up a little bit. The structure. You know what I'm saying?

And now with all the features on now, y'all have them sign this. I'm like, yo, homie, I'm not even the coolest with these people. They got a lot of love. I'm not going back to them about signing this contract. You go fuck yourself. You go, motherfucker. Give it to Scram. Let Scram go fuck himself. But yeah, it's just like, I always said from the beginning of my career, I'll sign a one album deal and get jerked because I know I'm going to make that shit work a million times after that shit is over. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to make my money.

One thing about me, I'm going to make it no matter what. I know it in my heart of hearts. I know that no matter what I do, I believe I'm going to be successful because that's just what my back. Ice Eskimos. Yeah. Whatever I got to do. Let me stop you right there, though. Let me just tell you something because I'm a part of that same generation of saying,

yo, even I'll take that deal even if you jerk me. Yeah. And let me just tell you something. What it is is I just stop it in my generation, so it's trickling down to your generation, it's trickling down to the next generation, trickling down to the next generation. We got to stop saying that. No, I said it. He said one album deal get jerked. Yeah, I didn't get jerked at all. Shouts of Rosenberg, Shouts of Rosenberg. I didn't

get jerked. He said he did. But I'm just saying if I did, I'm going to make it work because I know myself. But I did not get jerked. Rosenberg came to me and I already had traction. Before any music, I still ain't getting no music money yet. The check still ain't coming. Wow. Because, you know, we just signed a deal.

Yeah, it's coming. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Show money, all of that comes. But I'm saying the actual label money hasn't come yet. But I already bought my mother a house. I already got five, six chains. I already got three rollies.

I already got whatever car I want. Without a label, you know what I'm saying? So when they come to me, it's like, you got to do it on my terms or fuck your life. I don't know what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? Say it like that. Why? Why would you say fuck your life?

It hits different than everybody else saying fuck your life. This is crazy. Because I mean it, motherfucker. He says it with, from his stomach. Yeah. Huh? What was that? Freestyle, quick lifestyle? Yeah, quick style and style. Freestyle? Yeah.

Yeah, quick style, slow hell. Freestyle? Okay, but you're not drinking, though, right? I just, I'll do. I haven't drank in 13 years. If I don't choose, I'll drink.

Okay. That's how I know I'm not going to choose. Oh, okay. Oh! Take it away. Yes, but we're going to give you some

do-safe for this. Oh, wow. You're trying to... Plus, I'm new with all the bigger artists, so I'm not on that political shit. Fuck your life. Okay, Elliot, we're going to start with you. Yeah, pour him some D'Ussé, though, and we're going to open up those aces.

We're going to give you some aces, but this is a shot. This is for sure. Elliot came to play, bro. He going in. You know what's funny? When I did this recap before, I was like, yo, you had me so turned up. I was like, yo,

this nigga Norway didn't take a piece from me at the end. Like, fuck this nigga. He didn't sit with me. But he did. I didn't even realize it. That's how fried I was.

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XXL. XXL. XXL? TheyL. XXL? They know. They already know. All right. The rules is... They know.

They know the rules, man. All right. Wait, no, that wasn't what we got. Maybe Elliot doesn't know. If you pick Bull, you take a shot. Okay. You asking me if my shit is not better than them niggas? You asking me that?

No, no, no. That was a crazy question. That was a crazy question. That was a crazy question. That was easy getting to say. That was easy. I'm saying, okay, okay. I'm always better. All right, all right.

I'm better. XSL, the source. Yeah, the XSL nigga. Off the top. Talk to me. Don't you ever disrespect me with these. All right, next. I'll commit to Scram.

Scram. Oh. I'm doing the album with him. You know what I'm saying? I'll go ALC. I'll go Al. Okay. If you go by the catalog, AOC in my book. But I'm choosing Scram because that's my guy.

They're both great people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. By the way, I love Scram. And I love Alchemist, too. I got one for him. You got one? Go ahead, bro. One Million Word for Game or Joe Button? But in English. Joe Button. Mouse. Okay. Mouse. I am. I got one. Yeah. a game with Joe Bud but in English Joe Bud mouse okay wow okay yeah good shot

give me a while though but no disrespect but more important which one way or And War Report's my shit. Yeah. You pick both. That's a shot. I didn't pick both. Yeah, Elliot. Yeah. Yeah, Infamous, but War Report's still classic. They held New York down. I ain't going to lie. Without the Infamous, there would be no War Report. There we go.

So both of y'all made the right decision. Would that be the right thing? Like, play that shit, like, back to back. Yo, I said this before. And by the way, if y'all don't know, if y'all don't understand, like, Alchemist did five beats on The War Report. He did my favorite beat. His favorite beat?

Yo, oh, on The War Report? Yeah, on the War Report? Alchemist? No. Alchemist is happy. He said Alchemist. Yeah! Fuck your life. Fuck your life, bro.

I don't know shit. I don't know shit now. I thought all of y'all caught on. I was like, because that's the reason why I said it. That made me do it. Nori, so, and we know like the whole CNN,

my era was like CNN, Mobb Deep Comparisons. Yeah, yeah. With all that going on, so Havoc just showed a lot of love to support y'all with the beats? That's all tragedy. All tragedy.

God bless you. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Daffy. Tragedy. Help put Havoc on or whatever. But think about that. You're competing with the Queens niggas as a group in real time,

but Havoc, one of those niggas, shook one as a whole shit, is breasted CNN with their beats. In my opinion, there's no three albums in a row from any artist that can touch infamous hell on earth and murder music. Name it. Name it. You can't. You can't. The purple tape.

Three in a row. Oh, three in a row. But, Norm, are you surprised? I think you only got two. Right, right. No, you can't. The purple tape. Three in a row. Oh, three in a row. But, Nour, were you surprised? He only got two. Right, right. No, you're right. The only one that comes close is Illmatic. It was Rain and I Am. But to me, that's still not fucking with them.

Right. And that's still Queensbridge, bro. The best music of my generation. Booty's? But nobody's touching those three. Nobody else got three albums in a row that's touching those three. Nour, you trying to think? Because you can't come up with that.

Nah, I'm not. I'm going to get you back on the next episode. He's still thinking about Alka's music and the board board. Nah, I'm in havoc, man. My bad. You going to take a shot with me, Duse? No, he is. Come on, come on. Come on, Pop. What are you talking about, nigga? Come on, come on, come on.

So, uh- The kids expect me questioning me. All right, my bad, my bad, my bad. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Watch out. The more he drinks, the more he might choke. Yo, yo, yo. You'll never disrespect me looking like Kramer's biracial son, you heard? Yo, I'll stay all night.

I'll stay all night if you want me. I'm serious, I'm here. If it was ever. I love it. Take a shot of the D'Ussain. Go on, yo. Ooh, yes, that shot. I love it. Take a shot of D'Ussé. Come on. Come on. Get a shot of this. What is this?

I don't know what I'm drinking here. Let's take a shot. You been drinking? Yeah, I'm drinking. I've been drinking, bro. You've been drinking this whole time. Let's do it. I'm a sober alcoholic.

I got to go to work, Benny. Damn it. Stop lying, man. Yo, I love you. I love work, man. These damners, I'm thinking about it. Stop your lying, man. Yo, I love you. I love you, everybody, man. All right, so let me just finish this story. Yo, we're never going to get this story over. Yeah, dog.

Hey, hold on, hold on. Let's refresh. Damn it. Damn it. You're talking about LA, LA. Chaz. It's about having you in the beat. I'm lost.

He's fresh as dude. He plays me New York New York. Right, dogound. Boom. I'm in front of my family and I'm like, he's like, yo, you think they dissing us? And I'm like, that was the days when they didn't come direct. They said some slick shit on the side. But that one was New York New York. No, only part is.

But that wasn't really dissing. No, no. They said no, they said no. No, it was stupid. The video was the building. That's what it was. No, at that point, the video. Yo, God.

Yo, B. So. The video was stupid. The thing. That's what it was. No, yo, God. Yo, God. Yo, B. So. The video that was stupid, the thing, that's what it was. No, no, seriously. Wait, they started in the intro? No, in the intro, yes. I thought it was just you guys. What up, God? Give me that back. Give me that back.

What up, God? Give me that back. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember your version. What up, God? Can you let me tell the story? It's my only question you ask me.

Who's next? That's the hammer walks in the room? No. So, good one. So, anyway, we go to Queensbridge. We go to Queensbridge. They pick us up, whoever it was, and then we go to Stretch Armstrong's house. Prodigy and Havoc.

By the way, they on fire. I don't think they, like, when we go to Queensbridge, they got, like, 500 people around them. I'm like, these niggas is never going to come. They're never going to go to the studio. And it's E&J that's popping at the time. I don't know if y'all remember. Yes, yes. That was everything.

That was everything. That started and ended my alcoholic career. I used to throw up every time. So we there, and they're like, let's go to the studio. So we go to the studio. No one can't think of nothing. I don't want to say, like, let's go to the studio. So we go to the studio. No one can't think of nothing. I don't want to say like I was the genius behind it.

But you will. Okay, maybe. But what I said, I just suggested it. I said, yo, listen, can you pull up the Dog Pound new album? Because of your boy. So shout out to your boy. Shout out to Chaz. I always say this.

He's still smoking dust? Nah, Chaz kicked all that. He's good. You got to relax. He's good. And he's actually from Brooklyn. This is crazy. He's still smoking dust? Nah, Chaz kicked all that. He's good. You got to relax. And he's actually from Brooklyn. That's what's crazy. He's from Brooklyn that live in my hood. And when we played it, everybody was like, yo, we can't tell if they dissing us.

So they said, why don't we just respond and not diss them? Same way. So I don't know if anybody's, you know. Yeah, because the bars is not like dissing them. It's just a hook. If you understand, the only bars that was kind of dissing was Prodigy's bars. They were saying JFK on our way to LA. Yeah.

Yeah. So when the record actually dropped. Hold on. I want to pause you for a second on purpose. Please. You said at one point that you spoke to Big, right? Yeah, I'm getting to that. So this hasn't happened yet?

No, this hasn't happened yet. Okay, okay, okay. So I remember it was like NYC, you and I versus Supremacy, having to compete, Queens, nigga, so it seemed to be, got word back from Noriega, and then he was like, he was like, nigga. So it seemed to be, got word back from Noriega.

And then he was like, he was like, JFK on our way to LA. And he actually used that same verse. He actually used that same verse on... Some other shit. On our way to Santa Barbara. On us. But if that original verse was on LA LA.

Yeah, yeah. And if you think about it, it did sound like he was going at la and everyone else he was more mad yeah so it dropped and when it dropped no no no no no hit him up ain't dropped yet and this is for the mixtape yeah chill yeah yeah please that's my first time i'm gonna say let me let me go let me go we laid all five verses. Remember, it's Cabona Noriega.

Five. Cabona Noriega, Maude, It's a long ass track. It's a long ass track. It's no trash. And trash. Yes, sir.

Yeah. Percy. We put it on the mixtape. I see Big at the tunnel. I didn't know Big knew who I was. Whatever Big was his first time? Right after.

It was out or what? But right after. 9-7. Right after Ready or Die. For some reason, Big knew who I was because I said this on Drink Champs as well. Capone rhymed for Big and Big wanted to sign Capone.

He didn't want to sign me because I didn't rhyme. I was too nervous. I didn't know you was there. I was like, oh, shit, it's over for me. He's going to Brooklyn. It's over. He's going to Brooklyn. It's over.

But anyway, Big seen me in the tunnel and was like, yo, I just want you to know I'm not using that record on the Bad Boy mixtape. So the time I'm 18, 19, maybe 20 years old, I'm looking like, wow.

Yo, these niggas just disrespected you. Yeah. Like, and I was like, I feel like we was representing for you.

Facts. And he was like, he said something that I didn't realize until I was 40 or maybe what I was. He was like, I feel like we was representing for you. And he was like, he said something that I didn't realize till I was 40 or maybe what I was. He was like, sometimes when you don't do something to someone, you don't have to respond to them to a lie. And now I've realized that. But back then I was like, yo, we're from New York. We can't just let this happen. So Stretch called us and was like, yo, Diddyd all of them told us you can't use this

because they're not going to use it they're not going to use it so what do y'all want to do and i can't say it was me i could say i had a part of this and i was like i think we should still drop it and i tried i said it but, but by the way, let me give Trad just props. I mean, he raced him out of history. Let me make sure he's stamped in history. It's a huge part of history. He was like, I got this. So he was like, yo, Stretch, would you put up some?

Stretch put up some, and we white labeled it. So the reason why Was Once it took off We couldn't clear the sample Yeah So that's the reason why That's the reason why No no no

No no no Y'all rushing it Okay So the reason why It took off And we won Battle of the Beats Woo

In case people don't know That was the biggest Shit Back in the day Yes If you win Battle of the Beats. Woo! In case people don't remember. That was the biggest shit back in the day. Talk to him. If you win Battle of the Beats, you're on your way. Yup. That's like being

in an unsigned high. Unsigned high, brother. So we won Battle of the Beats. How many nights? Every night. Four, five? Every night. Five nights.

Every night. New York wanted us to represent. New York wanted a record to represent. It was against Hit Em Up. And by the way, I mean, I'm just saying, this was the response.

It wasn't a game. Hit Em Up is crazy. This was the response. So, what happens is, this is a real story. I've told it before, but I'm going to say it here while this matters. Prodigy asks for his verse to be taken off.

Wow. Yeah. He says, yo. After Battle of the Beats? No, just before Battle of the Beats. Okay. So he says, yo, you know, I feel like I was the only one that kind of went too hard. Okay, that's not bad.

Nah, at the time, I'm going to be honest, you took us to 21-year-old, 24-year-old people who were like, yeah, we all was about this life. And they about to go to the mattresses and he don't want to go. We all about this life. So, I was

redder than your hat. I was redder than, I was like, alright, cool. So then, we chilled. So then, it comes time to do the video. This is why Havoc has to be praised. Havoc still came to the video. Wow. But guess what happened

the night before that video? What? I hit him up. Wow. And P wanted to be a part of that video. Yeah, yeah. Fact. Fact.

P reiterated and said, I'm coming to that video. Yup. Because he wasn't supposed to go to that video. Yeah, yeah. Fact. Fact. He reiterated and said, I'm coming to that video. Yup. Because he wasn't supposed to go to the video. Yeah. And remember, that's the first time you've seen a Mac-10 chain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he wore the Mac-10 chain because that was the first time like Paul V. He showed up, yeah. You know what I mean? And he had stayed with that verse. I mean, I love Prodigy.

I will always honor his memory. But that moment was like a stagnant in our whole shit because it sent a sense of separation. And I understood. I wish we had the internet back then because we would have understood that Pac didn't give a fuck. So then when Hit Em Up came out, he was like, that's the reason why, because Pac got the version

when we sent it out and it said Mobb Deep. Yeah. Wow. I was like, damn, that's me. Hello. That was put out as a Mobb Deep record? No, no, no. That's the way the record started.

That's what I was trying to say. We couldn't clear it. So when we couldn't clear it, tragedy, in my opinion, I think this was him. He said, put that on Mobb Deep. And Steve Rifkin actually co-signed it. Of course. Because the record was blowing up so much. I'll take it.

I'll take it. Me and Steve Rifkin, it is still like this to this day. Get it out. So, I say that to say that was a great time in hip-hop. Absolutely. It was a great time in hip-hop.

That made me proud to be from New York. Yes. I ain't gonna lie to you. There wasn't nobody holding y'all and man,

y'all wasn't. Roy Blush had a response record too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did. He was disinvited too though. Oh, I forgot that. Yeah. What was Roy Blush had a response record too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did. He was dissing Big too though. Oh, I forgot that. Yeah.

What was Roy Flush's record called? Worldwide. Worldwide. Yeah. You said on Roy Flush's career, I saw the diamonds. I saw the diamonds. Right, my man. You know what I'm saying?

The one with the Worldwide, there was two of them. Nah, but Worldwide, in the beginning of Worldwide, it seems like he talking to Big. Drinking Snapple, now y'all talking about Mo. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was. You know what I'm saying? Damn, I forgot that. In the beginning of worldwide it seems like he told a big drink a snap when I Was Got that you know my What a shame. What a shame. Produced by EZLP. What a shame. Shout out EZLP, man. What a shame. What a shame. I did a video for that, too.

Both of them. Yeah. No, not both of them. We never got a chance to finish the thing. Ice Down Medallion. Ice Down Medallion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what a shame.

I love it, because Cuban connection. Yeah, Cuban. I said, whatever. I'll take anything Cuban right now, man. By the way, you know Rory Pruss is Cuban. I know. Yeah, okay. Word.

Yeah, he is Cuban. I don't know if it's half or whole, but it's... See, you gotta watch motherfuckers like that in the hooker. You go into the store, they be talking shit about them, and they know everything. My man's Panamanian, but look, straight black. Go into the store, they talk wild shit

about him, and he speaks right back to them in Spanish. Yeah, I'll be like, oh, y'all niggas got caught. Yeah, but guys, let me see. Is this still working? Thank y'all for coming to the Doobseye Artist Lounge. The Doobseye Artist Lounge, rolling loud.

Did you guys cast a show? I'm about to go. I got to do some. OK. What the heck? We got Elliot. Don't ever disrespect me with this stiff ass collar. Yeah.

Hey, but we got to tell them that both of y'all, we need y'all on the legit drink chance. So I'm not a privilege just to be in y'all company. Absolutely. Come back to drink chance. Once again, man. Madly. Congratulations.

Love y'all. Yeah. Hey, Elliott, once again, we're going to say, we're going to start it with saying you're the GOAT. I love you, man. Yes, I love you too. But let me just say something. I love you, man. We're going to start it. Hey, yo. Hey, saying you're the GOAT. I love you, man. I love you, man. I love you, man. We're going to start it by saying...

Hey, yo. He loves you, but he's holding his leg. Hold on. I love you, man. Listen, we're going to start it by saying you're the GOAT. And guess what? By gosh, golly, boh, joe, gee. We're going to end it by saying you're the GOAT.

And all of us in journalism, I feel like you don't have to compete with us. We not journalism, bro. Stop that shit. I'm trying to be nice. Michael Jordan doesn't want to play ball with Harold Minor. And he doesn't want to play ball. I did Miami, too. He also doesn't want to play ball with LeBron or Kobe neither.

He just understands who he is. And we hopefully, you understand that you the GOAT. You don't have to compete with none of us. God bless them. Rob Moss is one of my closest guys the Rob's ass way come on So, to go talk, but... It's all right. It's all right. Yeah! Let's wrap it up.

Take some pictures real quick. Yes. Yo, yo, pull me a shout-out, baby. You got to relax, fucking Mr. Lee. Okay. Randy, you're wild right now, bro. Randy, you open the door and start talking like that? I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

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