Drink Champs - Episode 389 w/ Treach

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs chop it up with the legendary, Treach from Naughty by Nature!Drink Champs Alumni, Treach, joins us to share his journey in Hip-Hop! Treach shares stories from the early days of Naughty By Nature, creating the hit song “O.P.P.”, his friendship with 2Pac and much much more! Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss! Listen as we continue to celebrate 50 Years of Hip-Hop!!Make some noise for Treach!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com  Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And when I tell you we want to interview legends, icons When I listen to this man's style He's my friend, but I had to do the due diligence Of looking up everything And listening to everything And when I tell you This man is a one of one You cannot duplicate him

There's one And when he's done There will be none He's a part of a legendary group I think his name should be Mr. Anthem I seen him the other night. We was at Mr. Lefrak's party and DJ Khaled was just sitting

there watching him perform and I realized this is where Khaled got his anthems from. When he was making anthems, he had this man name in his, he had this man face in his mind to make anthems. Not records, not hits. Anthems. Shit that lasts his mind to make anthems not records not hits anthems shit that last lifetime the reason why

you want big mama to cook thanksgiving is because that little skinny girl can't cook shit you want experience you want people who know how to be in that stove This man has dominated movies He has dominated so many fields And if you're under 21 He might have smashed your moms He's a legendary icon His story is so immaculate It's so crazy

And we're going to get to the bottom of it today. So in case you don't know who we're talking about, we're talking about the one, the only, Trigger motherfucking Tricks! Respect, respect, respect. Yo, I ain't going to lie to you. Listen, we was going through something, and I had to go to Canada.

And I was in Jersey. I called you up. I don't know if you remember. That was like the first time I ever, like, me and you, like, because we've always been friends, but this was the first time that we ever, like, really spoke in depth.

So I said that on the internet just now. I was like, yo, we got trashed. And one of my friends immediately was like, yo, tell them about the time y'all smoked in Jersey. And this is when we smoked out the bathroom. Hmm. The whole bathroom. The whole bathroom the whole bathroom so so Tresh um I gotta see you the other day uh um a left rack party but it was in a mansion

so it's not left rack 22 million yes yes holy moly guacamole. I couldn't believe how dope that was. Yeah. But to get to see you perform, like the crowd knew every single word. Yeah. Is that something that's overwhelming or that's something that you're just used to at this point? I mean, it's both. I'm used to it. It's overwhelming. But it just shows how deep deep hip-hop is translations translations translations right like it's so amazing we had did a show like in japan uh some years back

and it was the age range was 8 to 80 wow big daddy k lyrics that's amazing 8 to 80. Wow. Big Daddy K lyrics. That's amazing. 8 to 80. Right. Literally. The kids and the grandparents was in there. Wow. They didn't speak a bit. 80% ain't speak a bit of English.

But album songs we played off of there, they knew every word. Translations. Wow. Wow. Knew every word. Not just the hits. Perfect English. Right. Knew the album tracks. Right, right. Yoke the Joker. Wow. Wow. Knew every word. Like, perfect English. Knew the album tracks. Yoke the Joker. They knew lyrics. So it was like, just to see that is humbling. That's amazing.

Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. What's one of the craziest places you've been to and performed at, besides Japan, obviously. Probably Iraq. Oh, I thought you were going to say Africa. Okay, I was in close. Africa, too. Okay. Oh, you performed in Africa? Oh, yeah.

Nigeria, Lagos, Benin, Abidjan, Djibouti. Yeah. Jesus. We were actually out there, 70,000 people, one spot. In Africa, right. We were with the rebels.

Right. The police moved out their way. Right, feel me right so when we went out there to see our people when they like it was literally like back home got off the plane kissed the ground actually wow you feel me like it was something real spiritual you go through. But like Iraq, this right after... That was the USO tour? Yeah, USO. We was out there performing for the soldiers. Okay. And the Iraqis that was out there.

And we performed actually in this Saddam Stadium. Oh, shit. That they bombed. There was a time where legend that the soccer team lost and he killed the whole team. We were in that. He killed the whole soccer team?

For losing. Show up to the game. But we in Iraq, we got 100 pounds of armor on. We in the base. It's like five miles to even get. They got it all secured. But performing in front of the soldiers and the Iraqis that was there. And they don't speak half of them English.

And they knew the albums and the tracks. It's like crazy. But we had to sign our lives off. If anything happened over here, your family cannot sue the U.S. government. Don't they pay your taxes or something like that? No, you get a write-off. You get a write-off, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get a little credit, but you got to pay your taxes.

Okay, okay. I forget how it goes. We're still the wise people. Yeah, they will have you hanged up. But let me ask, right? Because Jersey is like... It's like it's the other town, right? Mm-hmm. If you had to name your top five Jersey emcees, what would your top five Jersey emcees be?

Man, top five? Yeah. Have to be King Sun. King Sun? Apache. The God? He from Jersey? Yeah.

King Sun from Jersey? King Sun. I thought he was from the Bronx. King Sun's from Jersey? Yeah King Sun from Jersey? King Sun I thought he was from the Bronx King Sun's from Jersey Oh shit E-Town You feel me? Wise Intellect

Um Um I'm poor at the teachers Wise Intellect Poor at the teachers Okay Redman Redman

And Queen Latif That might be five six That's four Rod Digger, Lauryn Hill. Let me, I'm going to name

everybody I could. Do it all. You know, it's like Jersey, we tight and right and it's just, we overlook so much. So it's like,

I haven't seen a really cleft, like, Jersey's is venom spitters. Right. You know what I i mean everybody have a different style yeah you feel me so it's like i'm i'm a fan before i was friends with them all right you know i mean a lot of them i was friends before fans all right lord ali bosky chill rob g lock him shabazz lock him shabazz double j okay Yeah. Damn. You go back like that?

That's pretty bad. Back like that. So now, let's describe to people. What is... All right, because I lived in West Orange at one point. Mm-hmm. So what's the difference between West Orange, South Orange, and East Orange? Oh, it ain't no shooters in West Orange.

You was in the birds. You was very good. You could leave your door open. You could go out and truck the album. Step over to the east side. East Orange, Newark. And that's active. You know what I mean?

West Orange is beautiful. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wanted to get there. And you guys are from East Orange? Yeah. Okay. So describe to people who's never heard your music, who's never East Orange, because you know what I mean?

I assume no one's heard your music, but what you're saying. I'm saying it. No, like East Orange, basically, Newark is the biggest city in Jersey. Oh, not Trenton. I thought it was Trenton. Okay. Trenton is the capital. The capital.

That's why I got confused. And one of the most ignorant. All right. Trenton and Camden. Yeah, yeah, Camden. They really bout that life. That's South Jersey, though. That's close to the Atlantic City. Right, yes. Tritton and Camden. Yeah, yeah, Camden. They really bout that life. That's South Jersey, though. That's close to the Atlantic City.

Newark is North Jersey. East Orange is next to it. West Orange, South Orange, Orange, Irvington. Newark in the 60s was like the riots. Oh, okay. You know what I mean?

It was the Panthers. It was, you know, the stand-up. And my parents and a lot of parents moved out of Newark because it was so wild to neighboring cities. Ours was East Orange. Some people moved to Irvington because it was out of the war zone. Right. So we, my mother moved from Newark to East Orange when we were babies.

I was born in Newark, but we was raised in East Orange. Right. And East Orange was basically a lot of families from, like I said, North. After a while, it started getting real active. Right. And anywhere you go, you leave East Orange, you go right across the border.

It's like Queens and Brooklyn. Right, yeah. It's right there. Right. And it's gangsta on both sides It's just different Territories Right Different land Now I remember bringing

A dude that was from the west coast And I brung him To East Orange And I remember him Saying like This is like his hood Because At that time

Other than South Jamaica And And that's just parts of South Jamaica People didn't really see hoods That had houses Yeah You know what I mean other than South Jamaica, and that's just parts of South Jamaica, people didn't really see hoods that had houses. Yeah. You know what I mean? It looked good on the outside.

It was like Cali. You go to the wrong hood and you see palm trees and everything else, and you're like, I'm good. Clean lawns and it looks nice. No, no, no, no, no, no. But, yeah, it was like houses and it was great. But it's like the crack epidemic fucked everybody up. Right. Once that came into, motherfuckers started hustling all over.

So it was nice houses and everything else, but it was really popping. You know what I mean? After that, everybody was hustling. Everybody was into it. Right. And so it got real greasy and grimy. Right. That's real.

Yeah. Probably like when he came, it's like when Coolio came for Rest in Peace Coolio. First time he came to the East Coast, came to our hood. He walked. We went to the store. He said, you know, he read the wall. Hey, Cub, this a bloodhook. I said, yeah, you good? He said, yeah, I know

I'm good. I'm super crip and I'm with you. He saw, he was like, yo, y'all banging out here. Yeah, yeah, it's active. Now, that's another thing. As soon as I put it on Twitter, I said, you got questions for Tretch. One of the first

questions was, was he the first person to bring Bloods to the East Coast? Well Definitely But not in a way of bringing Bloods to the East Coast What happened Pac

And me was like this Right When the East West Coast Shit started popping off We both was mind storming like Yo we gotta level this shit out all right boom boom boom boom boom we was talking was like damn and it's kind of like we came up with it at the same time i'm gonna get a west coast group that's naughty i'm gonna get

east coast group all right so he got the outlaws and we got the road dogs and how we got the road, we didn't go to Cali looking for Bloods, Crips, or anything. We just wanted a West Coast route. They could have been from the Bay or anything. Wow. But the Road Dogs just so happened to be from Inglewood. Right. And they was Damu's. Right.

So when they came back, they just told stories in the hood and everything else. So that's why everybody always say Double I, Inglewood, Illtown was the first set on the East Coast. Wow. With original West Coast backing. It wasn't just like, yo, I'm a gang from LA.

I'm going to just call ourselves this. We really had the gang that came, you know, through lyrics. Wow. So, you know, it was,

it was funny because at first when park got the outlaws i'm like where they from he like they from montclair one from no i'm like claire where who he was like fatal no i'm like yo we banging with them niggas right meaning meaning on the streets that was beefing like the hoodss oh get the fuck out of here we was banging so I'm like you like these niggas he was like yeah I'm like they dope

he was like yeah and you had never heard of them nah like rhyming I'm like beef off it's over that's your squad from the east coast I'm like you got a problem with my niggas though my niggas from Angle he's like nah I'll say yo Beef off. Right. It's over. Right. That's your squad from the East Coast? Right. My squad. I'm like, you got a problem with my niggas, though?

My niggas from Angle. He's like, nah, I'll say yo. So that's how all in we fatal and all us from then. It was like clicked up. Right. It was crazy to go back. You said that you guys, you and Pac spoke specifically about you guys get a West Coast group. He gets an East Coast group

to offset the East Coast, West Coast. Yeah, yeah. It was funny though because we used to do interviews and shit. They'd be like what's up with the East Coast, West Coast beef? And we'll look at each other. Pac, fuck you in the West Coast. Fuck you in the East Coast. And laugh like what fucking beef? Right. Because the media was

hyping that up. Definitely. Right. That wasn't really, really, it was proved. I spoke on it on a panel we was at harvard iced tea and all of us and anything else and they was like what do you think like put put did rap destroy itself and everything else i'm like nah the media did that right the first time i seen a vile magazine cover i seen puff on it and big on it and the caption was East versus West. Mm-hmm. Everyone... I said this shit over.

Sorry, let me cut you off. But everyone... Whenever I have people on the show, we have people on the show, and we pinpoint the actual West Coast, East Coast thing, everyone always refers to this Vibe cover. Yeah.

So, I remember... I think Big had a blue shirt on. It was just him. It was a white background. White background, yep. Right next to Big. Yep. And the biggest, the only caption was East versus West.

Right. Gangsters don't read articles. Right. Yeah, they read captions, though. Right. They just go right past the standard. Yeah, like clickbait, like the internet. Word up, Rap Master Magazine.

Oh. Oh, it's on? Oh any nigga come from the east coast on the west Done west vice versa Right We's like yo we gotta do something to offset this shit Cause this ain't what's really happening Niggas is really fucking with each other

It's just a battle right now It ain't east versus fucking west It's motherfucking Pocking big going back and forth And they to do records and anything else and that's the fuck it. Right.

Really. Like, I'm on the phone with Pac, with Suge. We actually, Naughty was on the road with Bad Boy during the whole turmoil shit. Wow.

And I'm asking Big and I'm like, yo, after the shows, why y'all don't go out with us? All right. Well, man, you know, like, you know this shit with Death Row and all that. I said, yo, after the shows, why y'all don't go out with us? All right. Well, man, you know, like, you know, this shit with Death Row and all that. I say, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Boom.

Death Row. Yeah, can I speak to Chuck? He ain't here. Nah, this is trash. Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yo, Chuck, Chuck. Yeah, what's up, Domo? Yo, where Pac?

Oh, he out right now. Boom, boom, boom. Yo, we on the Yo, yeah, what's up, Domo? Yo, where Pac? Oh, he out right now Boom, boom, boom Yo, we on the road with Bad Boy And these niggas is not going on the road They ain't doing nothing They ain't boom, boom, boom I'm on the And tell them niggas

Go the fuck out, nigga We gonna make better records than them Sell more, get more fucking money Ain't nobody after them We ain't never even coming on no tours To do no motherfucking shit Nigga, we gonna ride that boom, boom, boom Every day after that They was going to every show Lil' Kim, Junior, Mafia, Asucking shit. Nigga, we going about that bum bum bum. Every day after that,

they was going to every show. Lil' Kim, Junior Mafia, asking. Wow. Nigga, they actually, after that, they came on their bad boy sets

without no shiny suits on, but the naughty boxers that we gave them. Come on. You're going to get it. Okay, it's Joe Goddard. Those fucking naughty boxers. You feel what I'm saying?

They had their shoes on, no shirt to tie. And we like, nigga, nigga, this hip hop. Niggas battle, but niggas ain't going to motherfucking die over this shit. Nigga, nigga, let's go. And it was a wrap. That was it. For real. I'm bouncing on the ground a little bit because I want to save the Pac stories for later.

One of the other things is when you named the Jersey and C's, Queen Latifah, right? Rod Digger. Rod Digger. But Queen Latifah particularly, one of the things that they said on the internet was, why does Latifah get her props as an emcee? It almost felt like Latifah got her, in a mass scale, Latifah got her props more as an actor. But who does he give it to her? I mean, this is with Twitter.

If you ask any emcees or you ask anybody in publication or if you see the top five, ten, which I always think is disrespectful in hip-hop. I'm like, you can't just give us, we need 50 to 100. It's about decades. But how many times you hear them mention females? Yo-Yo, Rage, Balls. Balls, man. You feel what I'm saying?

How many times? So that be the thing right there. When you name your top five, you got to start saying, what's your top female, blah, blah, blah. Or they'll get left out because you know it was always a male dominated feel right but the women ain't get their their props like that through that through the politics all right that's it all right through us just being on our dicks right aiming all our top niggas our lyricalical motherfucker. MC Lyte, nigga. Nigga, I was scared of MC Lyte when I was

coming up right. I'm like, nigga, she might diss me. This shit gotta come right. Right as hell. I don't want no smoke, nigga. She is dope. And she wanted a roughneck, too. Yeah. MC Lyte, come on. She's the blueprint,

too. What? she was actual faction and going back to queen latifah like without a doubt she's one of the illest man one of the illest and she transcended hip-hop and took hip-hop with her yeah all right yeah a spitter all right la was always a spitter she was doing time i met la before flavion or anything at competing talent shows. Wow. And she up there with a beat, bow,

rocking, and niggas like, damn, we got to go after her. Right. Yeah. Like, facts. The ladies is out there. We just got to recognize them,

let it be known. Let's make some noise for the ladies, god damn it. Now, Church, you out here threatening Will Smith? No, hell the fuck, no. Did you see all the LOLs behind it? It was a perfect time for me to get that shit off. What did you say?

What did you say? No, no, you know my ex-bitch, I mean my ex-wife. You know, Pepper, so Pepper, like, she has her books and her movies and all that. And always puts shit on my name and everything else. So I'm knowing when they sat down, Will has his podcast. They sat down with that. And then I'm knowing Will didn't just say, just out of nowhere, well, Sandy. Guys, I got to stop.

Sandy, do you remember when you and Tredge had a break and we were dating? And you didn't know this? No. So Will done creeped up on you? No. I mean, listen. Oh, Will, we gonna judge you, Will. Stop instigating.

You on that shit, yo. No, no, no. Listen. Okay. Listen. I. Listen. I never knew Will Smith and when my lady and us had a break or whatever the fuck else,

nigga, if somebody's smashing, nigga, they ain't raping. Nigga, it ain't mine and what the fuck ever. But for him to mention

that shit on there and the post came out, Tretch, Will says, he was scared for his life that Tretch might come and kill him.

So that was there. So I posted I screenshotted and posted and I said keep my ex-bitch name out your fucking mouth. LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL. The LOL makes it alright. Of course. Look, two facts. I was LOL makes it all right. Of course. Look, two facts.

I was doing this play, New Jack City Live. Right. We was in Philly. Shout out to my nigga, Charlie Mack. You know, he's a legend. So, Will Smith totally, totally canceled at that time. Wait, wait, hold on. Like in society, you mean it's after when the smack.

Oh, it's after. Oh smack oh it's after oh recently recently okay this past winter okay so he has his new film Emancipation right so Charlie Mack

calls us up the cast Flex all us Alan Payne boom we go to his premiere this hip hop in New York

yeah no this was in Philly Philly while we was doing our Philly run okay nigga I love Will you know I ain't no I ain't no beef with Will over that and I LOL'd everything This is hip-hop. In New York? Yeah. No, this was in Philly. In Philly, okay. While we was doing our Philly run. Okay. Nigga, I love Will.

You know, I ain't no beef with Will over that. And I LOL'd everything on my shit, but you know, motherfucking Tretch is going to kill me. No, I'm not, man. Nigga, fuck. But you ain't seen him since you put that post up. You'll never know. Nah, I ain't seen him. I ain't seen him. I ain't seen him.

I mean, Will, I think he better not never try to smack me. Nah, please don't. So, we good. Please don't, Will. I think he would know that much. Hey, hey, but yeah. No, but in all honesty, you know Jada. Uh-huh.

You know Will. You know Chris Rock. Uh-huh. When you first saw that, did you think that was staged? Definitely. Okay, I did too. Supposedly she thought it was staged

from what you wrote. Actually, I nodded off and got up and my wife like, you just seen that? So I thought I was dreaming. All right. I'm like,

that was Will Smith, Chris Rock. I'm like, man, that's part of the show. That's part of the show. All right. That's part of the show. When he sat back down and was screaming

you knew that wasn't and then went there he's an actor yo keith my wife named out your mouth on live tv and that audio is still so you know oh no you see the spit you see this i say yo this is not a skinit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not Mike Duncan, so you hear him in the back, you know that's real. I was just feeling it because I'm like, yo, the homie just fucked up just for his self, his standing. And for that really to go on, man, I was like fucking ego tripping. Like, damn, nigga, I ain't never going to get invited to the Oscar. I ain't just going to look at my record, nigga, and we'll smack a nigga.

I got to check my hands in at the door. Yeah, that ain't going to happen. I was thinking like, damn, he fucked it up for all of us. But, you know, I just, I hope it all be forgotten and anything else. And Chris Rock just get his sneak back Well he did a special That was his sneak Yeah he bigged us up too

Yeah Yeah he bigged us up Yeah hold on let's give it up Chris Rock Picking up the dreaded chance So one thing I loved about going through your discography right Is like I said earlier in your intro, like you really make anthems. You really make global music.

Thank you. You really make music that, like I said, it's timeless. You know what I mean? I seen you rock for a whole crowd full of white people. I think I was the blackest dude there. I felt like Akon. You know what I'm saying? I was like, yeah, yeah, motherfucker, felt like Akon. You know what I'm saying? I was like, yeah, yeah, motherfucker.

That's a person. You know what I mean? So I seen you, and they knew every word. Like I said. Now, you coming from the hood, are you making these records saying, you know what? Let me make this for everybody to enjoy it? Is this a deal?

No, no. Okay. It's like, OPP was just a song that was like, it was going to be a party song. And when we came out before we were that, we were a group called New Style. We knew, we did all the talent show circuits, so we were sick

of saying, say ho, scream, ah. We like, and basically the majority of the records in the late 80s when the hook come on it's just scratching there's no right right no call and response right so in the parties we used to say and say this back like dougie fresh and carol is one like boom boom like get the crowd involved so all my writing went into like making sure the crowd could respond back. Or you had a crowd doing it because they're hearing it on the record when you go to that show. It's over.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. When you do that shit and all the extra ad-libs. Motherfucker, hey, Bible. Yeah. So we was like, we got to make it so it's a catchy hook on everything we do, even if it's a hardcore record. But even with that being said, even with not just the hook, I mean, even the sound sounded global. The production. Yeah, the production.

It sounded like y'all knew that... It's almost like... I swear to God, I want to say this very carefully. Because that's almost like what I got from Pac, right? Pac would make these street records, but then he would make a record that was just so globally, everybody had to go. And I feel like that's what you guys did. But what you're saying as well is facts. With the production, it has to be a big and different.

One thing about our era era everybody had to sound different so that's why the gang of us we still tour together and we all had to sound different but with K's production and stuff on it those were

those were different type of so even the writing a lot of times I had stuff written but I love to write off of beat. Right. And when I got them, it's just, I always say like, motherfucker, the beat wrote that shit. I don't know where that shit came near, but I'm always thinking of a hook. And usually back then I would put the hook first. Right.

I get a hook and write to it. Right. Because I hear the track and just feel like, ooh, oh, hey, oh, ooh, ooh. I put a hook first and then I write it. Yeah. So because that's one of the craziest things about your style is, to me, it reminded me of almost the Drunken Monkey. Remember the old karate flicks? How the Drunken Monkey, you sit there and you think like...

I was a monkey that was drunk in them fucking studios. So that's perfect. No, but listen to that. You fucking take the shit, champ. If you listen to your style, it's like you're going like this. And then as soon as a person thinks

that they know what you're about to say, then you switch it up. It's like... That's why I said you're a one-on-one. You flip them, and I'm never on beat. Right. No, no, no, you on beat. No, no.

I mean, I'm not on top of the beat. Oh. I'm like riding on the saddle backward. Ah. You're about to feel the chronicles of a bionicle, lyrically splitting, dismissing them on the mission or just hitting. Now it's written and kidding, hitting with mittens and missing, wishing Melissa. I glisten like sun and water while fishing.

You know, so it's like. It's off. It's off. So, yeah, it's like Drunken Monkey. Yeah. I always like knew like. And again, I love that you said that earlier. That era, no one sounded like no one else.

You couldn't. You would get straight up, no deal. You couldn't perform. They'd be like, that's a biter. Right. That nigga's whack. Right. You couldn't look, dress, sound, nothing.

Everything had to be original. So our P's and Q's, we had to compete. And we was from Jersey. You wasn't from New York. It was like Fuck you You felt that extra pressure Yeah

So we had to Really put the material there And then Let them know Like yo We mean this It's official And what's crazy

Is making those type of Global records That became hits But you were still Spitting crazy Yeah It wasn't like You softened up

The lyrics To suit this mainstream record. I always thought Biggie kind of took that from y'all. Because y'all would say the foulest shit, have the most beautiful beat and the most beautiful hook. Yes. We done fucked again. You know what this record is really about? You know how other people pussy is with just the OP to the beat?

I didn't realize, all right, the intro. I didn't realize the intro was so foul. Yeah, because I always heard the record, but I didn't realize. Very flavorfully disrespectful. Yes. So how did y'all get away with that? I mean, the funny shit is it was just the decoding. But if you listen to the record, like OBP, you knew, like, hold up. This thing is talking.

And you spelling out the letters. O is for this. P is for that. Ba, ba, ba. Oh, that's other people's pussy. And the other thing you're spelling it out is that's other people's. Yo, it got to the point. Them motherfuckers, I didn't curse on none of the shits I was saying, explaining nothing, right?

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or wherever you get your podcasts. AT&T, connecting changes everything. And it rhymes with cleanliness and meanness. Cleanliness and meanness. Connecting changes everything. Heard the hook, boom, and loved the flow. And it took like years. We was already fucking triple platinum, nigga, before they even. Did you think that OPP was going to go? Being what it was, what you were talking about, did you think it was going to go as far? No, never. You always want to make a hit. And then when you put out something, back then you had A&Rs and everything the labels they'll sit down and everybody comes like

okay we got all these songs write on the paper which one's your favorite because we're going to pick a single so everybody had like that in mind like OPP was that shit that Channy that Boom that New Era it's turning into the 90s not the

80s so the sound in the 90s switched so it was perfect to ride off of that. So like you, we felt good about it, but we ain't know what's going to be in orbit. You know, worldwide on the whole planet. Like, no. And on an independent Tommy Boy. Tommy Boy. I was going there.

I was going there. I was going there. I was going there. I was going there. I was going there. I was going there. I was going there. I was going there. We've known each other a long time. That's funny. That's my very next question.

That's how you already write my interview. This is my guy. Yeah. Well, yeah, let's talk about that because Queen Latifah

was on Tommy Boy. A lot of people were on Tommy Boy. They not sold. Coolio. Digital Underground. Digital Underground. Digital Underground. House of Pain.

Yep. So, I came into Tommy Boy like later, but you guys was already, how was that experience? Because y'all had the highlight. Y'all had the epidemic of, you know, the- We blew him up. Yeah. Like, platinum-wise. Yeah.

So, how was that oh it was crazy it was a love hate relationship with Tom Silverman just the business of it cause see we niggas right off the streets

right so it takes a while for you to separate the streets from the business cause on the streets a handshake deal

is that you honor it and it's on it yeah then they can sign you can sign some shit and it be some other shit right Because on the streets, a handshake deal is that. You honor it. And it's on it. Yeah. Them, they could sign, you could sign some shit, and it'd be some other shit. Right. But it was never nothing like that with us for a time, because Latifah made sure we was handled. Right.

Got the deal. We didn't get nothing. Right. But when it came, it was like one time we seen, because we had our naughty gear. So it was like, yo, we want to put it on the sleeve of the album like the albums and for those that don't know that yeah the catalogs yeah we want to boom boom boom boom i don't think we could do that wow my all right then it's tommy boy gear on our sleeve oh and with the copying letters oh okay No just with they shit

Okay okay No this shit wasn't on it Okay I said These motherfuckers Yo I gotta prove a point So I went

Said these niggas Some snakes and rats I went to the store And bought some snakes and rats What? Some baby ones Pregnant little Mice and all the rest Of that shit And I call up my homies some snakes and rats. What? Some baby ones, pregnant little mice and all the rest of that shit.

And I call up my homies and we roll over to the office. So walk up there. I'm like, where Tom? All the homies already know what they got to do. The little homies,

they pulling out all, you know, it's no cell phones. They pulling out all the phone wires. Everybody like, hey, what y'all doing where's tom tressie's not here where's monica she's in her office all right it's lunchtime too came in the lunchtime these little hungry little bastards these varmints i ain't feed them yet i

just start dropping them all through the office boom the guys like mon Monica Yeah Tretch I'm like yo Y'all You see this shit The cover y'all got Y'all shit Not our shit What the fuck is going on I said y'all some snakes and rats

Remember that I'm just hoping To let all the rest of them Out in there She said Tretchy Ovings I just remembered Tell Tom Y'all some snakes

And motherfucking rats Walked out Me and the homies You just hear screaming She's like What's that out there Why are they screaming I just closed the door behind her

She walked behind her desk I hear her screaming All these snakes and rats all over They locked me up But they got They had our motherfucking gear On the next shit I'll tell you that much

God damn it Hey Hey Nah nah They tried to I got locked up for TVT records When I went up there Hold on Hold on I thought I was ill By going to Tommy Boy Hey, hey. Nah, nah, they tried to. I got locked up for TVT records. Hold on, hold on.

I thought I was ill by going to Tommy Boy and breaking plaques. This nigga went up there and burned snakes and rats. Yeah, yeah. Holy shit. They had to move because it gets totally infested. They had to move buildings. They had to move buildings. They had to move out the building. I'll tell you what I did one time

When they didn't want to let me go I had got the account number For the food And I ordered a hundred pieces every day Just every day I was like A hundred pieces Showing up

Yeah No violence No violence Hit them in the pockets Because this a genius? That was some gangster shit right there. Hit them in their own fucking pockets. And then we would show up like,

y'all don't want no, let me get it. Yeah, yeah. Work it up. But you know what's crazy, Tresh? I would love to ask you this question. Because all of us as MCs, like me just listening to your music, I know how, I can feel the love

that you have for this. Did you ever be disappointed when you realized the business of this game is just fucking business? No, that's when a few charges later and stuff. Like I started realizing,

hold the fuck up, nigga. Let's hold up. Nigga, this ain't the streets. And it took me back. We're like Flavor Unit when we first, we signed Flavor Unit before Tommy Boy. Management. Yeah. Flavor Unit management.

Yeah. Big up Shaq Kim and Kool-Aid T-Pain. Yes. And we have one of the biggest drug blocks in East Orange. Wow. Do we make some noise for that? I feel like we should. I mean, we should.

Sorry. But we had to come to the table and I'm like, listen, my niggas, we either got to do this hustle shit or this hip hop. We can't do both. And we can't, the main thing was on the mind, we can't taint Latifah's name. She putting us on,

we didn't even have a label deal yet. We like, yo, we gotta stop it and start it. And we gave up the block, pow, and did it that way. So the same synopsis,

it goes like, when you in the business, you gotta know, leave that street shit alone and handle your business because if you do that shit and bring it together oh it's going to come back right in a bad way right yeah yeah man um shit luckily we avoided all that yeah business over bullshit look at us yeah we made right decisions uh fucked up environment yeah yeah um you know our show is about giving people their flowers you know i'm saying so you know i saw you the other day and i

i particularly i asked you i want to say i want you to come on the show now i know you've been on the show before the show has been blowing up so much and what we want to do is give you your flowers face to face man to man and tell you how great you are because you are one of the greats you're one of the icons thank you come on yes yes yes I like to thank my mama, baby, mama, baby, mama, papa, papa, sister, sister. By the way, this is something I also noticed the other night. I don't think nobody can do a versus with you solo or with the group. I just was looking at you. I was just like, I don't think there's people out there that can fuck with y'all.

Thank you. No, I'm just saying. If you had your choice to do a versus against a group, who would it be? Oh, man. I never even thought about it because I always wanted whoever to come up with it. And then the groups that I was thinking about, they already did versus. Who? Like Bone and, you know.

That's a good one, Bone. Even like Dipset, like, or like, because it's a three, you know, but just songs and hits back to back and, you know, it was just different groups. You know what I was thinking about off top and from Jersey too, a little bit? Who? Fugees. Fugees? Yeah.

Why y'all always trying to get Jersey against New York bullshit You on it nigga I knew you was going to think that I knew you was going to think like that But I swear to God I was the first Three man group

That I thought Like three groups We're going after other motherfuckers Y'all against other motherfuckers Yeah Let's think of Another group though What are the three man groups

Let's say Cypress Hill Cypress Hill Cypress Hill Yeah. Let's think of another group, though. What are the three-man groups? Let's think. Cypress Hill. Cypress Hill. Cypress Hill. Onyx used to be a three-man group. They used to be a four-man. Onyx is what I said. Onyx went because Sticky and Fredjo are my niggas.

We was even talking like, what if it go up? But they already, you know. All right. Brand new being. Brand new being. That'd be crazy. Run DMC? You better not say no motherfucking Run DMC, nigga.

Fuck outta here, nigga. I ain't doing no fucking verses with no Run DMC, nigga. Them niggas, nigga. Them niggas, they got smashes. You seen them at the Hip Hop 15? Yeah, man, I seen them for 30 fucking years Right And 10 before I came out

Sneaking the concert I ain't doing no verse With no fucking run DNC Them niggas monsters Them my unks Fuck Did you see

Rap cursing and all that On stage? No nigga he comes out And says Yeah well Let me tell all y'all something Rap Run is not In the motherfucking house today.

That's a DJ run and we fucking take it. What? Yo, that's like stage presence and all that. I grew up off of hip hop. When I first started rhyming, my rap is shit. I would sound like a little LL, a little Coogee Rap. Then Slick Rick. Listen on OPP.

OPP Hmm OPP How can I explain it I'll tell you what I'm saying Real swaggery And wordplay And boom My idols All of them is in me

KRS-One Chuck D Rakim Big Daddy Kane Like I'm like All of these fools Like

Like They Was with Grandmaster Cash Melly Mel You was, Melly Mel. You was with Melly Mel the other night right? Yeah. At K-Station.

Yeah, yeah and Harvard. We just did Harvard. You and Melly Mel did Harvard? Melly Mel, Scorpio, Ice-T, Grand Wizard Theodore, Africa Islam. That was the panel you were talking about? Yeah we did a panel and performed up there. In Harvard? That part.

That's amazing. Hell yeah, let's make some noise. Educated niggas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy moly guacamole. When did you know that you was a sex symbol? A sex symbol? Shit. Because you knock down everything.

What they call nowadays, they call it a sniper. A sniper, yes. Sniper. Y'all was knocking shit down, Trash. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but let me tell you something, though.

Let me tell you. He's a guy. He look, yeah. No. See his face? No, no. See his face? See his face?

Yeah. That was awesome. Once again, I got to give props to the ladies, yo. Okay, okay. Yo, in the 90s, laser roll up. Yo, yo, yo, yo. I got boom, boom. Tonight.

Whoa. Whoa. I'll be like, shit, you sold more records than me. You right. Right. Bum, bum, bum, bum. No, but like they push up. and everybody hung out you see like it was all hip-hop it wasn't no beefs or nothing everybody used to be hanging out and not even calling each

other just there right and it's just but you know yeah when i was hot probably soon as that record Hit Video Jukebox Oh The one you order? Yeah Okay We changed the whole Program on how they did it Before

Every time you 99 cents Yeah You'll see the video Alright OPP was on 24 hours a day So OPP was officially The first

No I'm just saying Okay People was It just It basically Burnt out the fucking Whole line where it wasn't nothing but our shit playing because everybody was requesting it. But that was your official first hit?

It was OPP? Yeah. How come I thought it was, um, I forget about it. And it broke records on MTV, right? Yeah. Because then we did the song, you know, on MTV. Oh, no. That was genius.

All of us and Ed Lover and Dr. Dre. Ed Lover. I felt like that was genius. MTV raps. All right. Ed Lover and Dr. Dre. I felt like that was genius. MTV Raps. All right. Ed Lover, yep. Wow. Big OGs. Wow.

Holy moly guacamole. Yeah. What's your favorite part of the business? Is it making the music or performing the music? I mean, both, but the performance probably has got to be a different highlight because you actually see the people. You know, you're on that stage, that energy. You feel high.

You're like, ooh, I'm going to float. And they be singing your shit. Yo, that's a whole different caliber. So it's both because when you're writing it, now we know we got some hot shit. We'll scratch out the booty shit by 9. But we know, the beat we hear, we know what we doing now. Right. Man, just seeing the people, just their reactions to you, and the majority of them now, if they ain't our age, they ain't never seen us before.

Right. And Harvard, the kids was like, they knew the songs. I was like, in my head, Great Parenting. They knew this shit. My father was playing this shit. I'm Great Parenting for that motherfucking year. The one thing I noticed about watching y'all perform

the other night, for those that don't know, it was Young MC who performed, Tone Loke, Rob Bass, and motherfucking Trash. He made me perform he made me perform he just brought him out on his beat he didn't have to rhyme

he swagged out but one thing I noticed was every single every single person had a stage presence like they had a part of the show

where they was talking to the crowd the crowd talked back the crowd felt a part of the show where they was talking to the crowd. The crowd talked back. The crowd felt a part of the show. They do shows. And what I'm trying to tell you people is let's suppose one kid right now has a hit record and this record is 60 million in the audience

and it's like so many people may have heard this record more than these old school guys. These old school guys would still tear that kid up on stage because I'm sitting there and I'm sitting there and I'm like,

for lack of a better term, I just wanted to not be a rapper. I wanted to look at it as if I was one of them. And as I'm sitting there, I'm like, if I didn't know hip hop,

I was into this because they was like, hey, everyone over there, wave your hands and people were just waving their hands and getting into it like, yo, people don't know rap and I was just like, hey, everyone over there, wave your hands. And people were just waving their hands and getting into it. Like, yo, people on the right.

And I was just like, damn. That shit is lost in hip hop. If I go to see a little dude perform, I expect to see him take a Percocet. I don't expect to see him go, hey, ho. I don't expect. You know what I mean? Is that fucked up?

On stage. Yes, yes. And some lean, too. Yeah. Yeah. Not for that, you got Molly, nigga? See, the thing is, we come from an era, too, where we respect each other as artists, hip-hop artists. Right.

So we know when we step on there, it's competitive. We got to be the best motherfuckers out there. Now everybody think they the best and fuck them so I can do what I want. Right. Before, we like, yo. We want to be the best motherfuckers out there. Now everybody think they the best and fuck them so I can do what I want. Before, we like, yo, them motherfuckers do that, show that shit, and we watch everybody's shows. Before we even came out, nigga,

we was going to New York, I got fucked up a couple of times and shit. Nigga, Brooklyn was snatching my motherfucking, I ain't even have motherfucking gold on, nigga. I had the leather fucking African patch. Go Brooklyn, nigga. Fuck y'all. Here. What's wrong with

y'all niggas? I'm here to watch this fuck. Let me go the fuck home. But I stayed lumped up, but I seen the motherfucking show and studied shows and like, yo, look at the crowd. Look at what they doing, how they singing. And everybody look different, sound different. So you getting your own different swag and up.

Right. And I just blended all my favorites that I knew all the albums and put it and morphed it into one. Right. Yeah. Plus, remember, that's the era pre-social media. Going viral in that era was hitting as many stages as you could. Yeah.

So you do that, you gain experience. And street shit. Right. When we got our first boxes of clothes made up and everything else, everybody split them up and got them. Yo, I took my motherfucking shit. I went to New York, the city and shit. I just started handing out all those OPP shirts to the homeless. All right.

Then go to Jersey, go to Brooklyn, go to all the homeless. Free promo. It was like, what the fuck is this OPP shit? Everywhere. Like, these naughty by nature. What the fuck? They selling drugs? They thought we was like a drug crew.

Naughty by nature, OPP. What's that, dope? Nah, nigga. That was that hip hop dope. Yeah. But yeah, just promotion. It was no social media, no nothing. We had to hit the streets.

And Tommy Boy was a great label with a great street team. And they opened doors, showed them independent labels and big labels. You got to have a street team. Right. Yeah. Now, you've been in mad movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah Hollywood Jesus Latifah said you ain't just gonna be rapping

You gotta get lame So that was Latifah that pointed you in that direction Yeah definitely Definitely Off top So let's take it from Juice Yeah How did you get that

Was this your first role Yeah yeah yeah Latifah Like I said She set the whole shit up From like You gonna start acting So got this movie Juice

Go read for it You was riding a mess homie Yeah No I was reading for Bishop You was supposed to be Bishop No I wasn't supposed to be I read for that shit The nigga who got it

Was supposed to be That nigga tore this shit up But yeah I read for that shit The nigga who got it Was supposed to be That nigga tore this shit up But yeah I read for that motherfucker I'm like And Still And you read it

I never act Yeah I'm reading this shit I can't lie to you It's like Thank you for coming Before they even close the door I'm like man I ain't get that

Shit So we chilling Pac is out Here And he like Yo I got to read For this man, I ain't get that shit. So we chilling. Pac is out here and he's like, yo, I got the reading for this. So Pac didn't get it yet? No. I got the reading for this shit too. I'm like, cool, I'm going. I'm going to go with you, nigga, because I just read for it.

I know I ain't got it. He go up in there, motherfucker. Yo, Riverside, motherfucker, I'm cutting your site. I hear shit going all over. I'm running toward the door. I'm like, this nigga got to a fight in here. He come out. I'm like, yo, what's up? He's like, I just read for it.

I said, nigga, you got that motherfucker. So what Pac did, the heart he had, he was like, yo, my nigga, I could get you in this movie. You come with me every day. There's extras and stuff. You could have boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, all right, fuck it. But I can't be going back and forth from Jersey. No, stay with me.

So me, he had one bedroom, hotel suite. It was me, Ed Lover, Moe Preen, Yaki Gaddafi. Stretch from Live Squad. Queens. Yeah. We was in the room. All right. Bob D. Yeah. Yaki Gaddafi Stretch from Live Squad Queens Yeah We was in the room Alright Bob D

Yeah We all slept in the couch In the chairs I was about to ask What's the sleeping condition Yeah we wasn't sleeping With each other What the fuck was

Going to sit me like No I didn't mean like that No I didn't mean like that I mean Like jail We had our own Yes I mean Had your own

Yeah okay Go ahead What the fuck Go over there Okay Okay Like, yeah, we had our own fuck. Yes, I mean, had your tone. Yeah, okay, okay, go ahead. Yeah, we had our own fuck. Go ahead. So, you're waking up. You're going to juice. Yo, no. Then, every day, I went on there.

So, they just so happened. Pac talked to Ernest Dickerson, my G to Darrell. He was like, yeah, all right, put them over there with Rotterman's gang. Nigga, Pac like, they all Puerto Rican.

That's hard. How are you going to be with them? I said, nigga, for this movie, tell them niggas I'm Dominican. I'm from Washington Heights, nigga.

I just roll with the motherfucking Spanish gangs, nigga. That's it. I had no lines anyway. I had to say shit. I ain't give me shit. I just was an enforcer. You didn't say nothing to that boy?

Not a word. Yo! My mini grills was deep. They say acting is to learn how to say your lines without saying them. So when you do say them, your face is like you. Like Samuel Jackson, he's motherfuckers, though. That nigga, he was in juice. You know what I'm saying?

Jackson, what is you? You done slid down a razor blade and landed in the alcohol river. He said, I ain't no killer, you know me, since I was a kid. I known a lot of killers since they was kids. God damn it. Yeah, yup. So he was in there. So a lot got me in there, but Pac made sure I was in the movie.

Because I read for that shit, and I definitely wasn't kidding. Wow. Yeah, facts. Now, this is one of the movies that fucked me up that you was in. The Media Man. Yeah, Robert Townsend. Media Man. He was blood. Nah, we was Crips and the other Bloods from the gang

that was with us, I mean, yeah, they was, it was Cypress Hill. We was against Cypress Hill in there. Alright, but it says your name was Blood in there. Oh, my name. Your name, nigga. Yeah, you're wrong now. You're taking this gang shit too far. Hey, hey, hey. I'll take it.

What's up, bruh? But, yeah, Robert Townsend. Yeah. Jesus. A lot of people don't know how talented. Robert Townsend was the first Tyler Perry. Yes, he was. If it wasn't for Robert Townsend,

it probably wouldn't be a Tyler Perry. He was our Spike Lee before all that. Yeah, Spike Lee. Yeah, yeah. He was all wouldn't be that Tyler Perry. He was our Spike Lee before all that. Yeah, Spike Lee. Yeah, yeah. He was all of our great directors and everything. He was bringing shit. He was before in Living Color doing his off-the-wall committee.

So he opened that door for Living Color because they was like, yo, this motherfucker ignorant. They was like, yeah. All right. Yup. Now, he was also in Jason's lyrics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Yep. Now, you was also in Jason's lyrics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alonzo. Keep Jada name out your motherfucking mouth. Keep Jada name out your motherfucking mouth. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Keep the name out your... That was my little sister in there. Jada Pinker, Alan Payne,

Bokeem Woodbine, Eddie Griffin, Lisa Nicole Carson, Forest Whitaker, Suzanne Douglas, rest in peace. You know, so... Bocaine Woodbine Eddie Griffin Lisa Nicole Carson Wow crazy cast Forrest Whitaker Suzanne Douglas Rest in peace You know so It was a deep

Deep cast Of Fun That shit I had to move to I moved to Houston Rest in peace

To the little Varmint Fucking Bushwick Bill So I moved down there and i said i gotta go i'm staying in the wards right shout out to prince prince jay you know they had me covered down there willie d brad so if you look like on the roof when he says brad he's talking about scarface yes everybody's not privileged to know who that is okay Bradster Scarface We call him Scarface Over here

So we're scared To call people By their real names Oh man Alright well That's okay But this is This is how I know

I never really did A real movie You see how he just Named all the people That's in the movie The whole cast Method Man did that Everybody

I've never done that Before in my life I've never done that No cause you just Don't give a fuck You're not naming Nobody else You're on your dick

I was in this movie It was named And you know I did my thing My role was You ain't giving Nobody else no credit I got state property too

That's it Like hey man Me and Bean Stig We shot at each other You had a money movie He was in a He was in a I would've loved

To have a money movie I fucked And then they cut my head off It was Oh I wasn't One I forgot the name Of the movie. I would have loved to have a money mug. I fucked, and then they cut my head off. Oh, I wasn't one. I forgot the name of the movie. Oh, I got all your movies, nigga. It was a, yeah.

Yeah, you've been in some horror movies. The nigga always get killed in a motherfucking horror flick. You know that, right? You were on One Blood, too. Yeah. Yeah. You'll be loving that blood work. You and everything blood.

Man, let me tell you something. These is red bobs. These is blood. Wait, hold on. You in a movie called Chupacabra? Yeah, that's the way I got killed there. That's the motherfucking goddamn, what's the motherfucking goddamn Chupacabra? The motherfucking, that motherfucking killed me.

I'm like the first two minutes. That's the first I ever died. Wait, did the Chupacabra kill you? Yeah, that nigga. The Chupacabra killed me. That motherfucker killed me. I'm like the first two minutes. That's the first I ever done. Wait, did the Chupacabra kill you? Yeah, that nigga. The Chupacabra killed you. The Chupacabra. I didn't know. I didn't know.

I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know.

I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. Chupacabra killed me. Holy shit. I was crazy. Do you believe in Chupacabra?

No, man. You don't believe in Sasquatch? You don't believe in Sasquatch? No, I actually believe in Sasquatch. So hold on, hold on. That's like a little racist to your own generation. Yeah, you just don't in Sasquatch? You don't believe in Sasquatch? I actually believe in Sasquatch. So hold on, hold on. That's like a little racist to your own generation. Yeah, you just don't like... How could you believe in Sasquatch but not Chupacabra? Chupacabras are Sasquatch.

That is the Puerto Rican Sasquatch. They see them all over the country. That's the Cuban Sasquatch. That is the Colombian Sasquatch. That's a bad trip. But listen, at first, only Latinos seen Chupacabra.

That's why I ain't gonna lie. Only Latinos. Yeah, only Latinos seen Chupacabra. I mean, only white folks gonna see Sasquatch. How many niggas

is in the mountains? In the motherfucking mountains. You ain't seen that video? In the motherfucking mountains. You ain't seen the video? No, no, no.

Who else gonna see a fuck? Who else niggas gonna see that shit? It's where you at. You ain't seen the Sasquatch thinking of shit. Uh-huh. All right. Do you believe in niggars?

No No There's cougars, there's jaguars And there's niggars We see niggars all the fucking time Motherfuckers don't see it like us Ain't like Asia, I've never seen no niggars Yo, I seen something online the other day

This black guy In China He goes on the beach And everyone Is taking selfies of him Because they've never seen A black guy On a Chinese beach

Yeah Yeah it really exists You can pull it up That happened to Drain in Vietnam When we went to Vietnam Everybody wanted to take Pictures of Drain They thought he was

Scottie Pippen They thought he was A basketball player Oh shit 56 He got a lot of ass out there. I know he got some babies over there, motherfucker,

y'all. What? They thought he was Scotty. But, um, before we get off the Jason Lyric thing, and I know you played with it earlier, but no one is to judge Jada and Will's, you know, thing, right? I mean, if anybody found out by now, they know what they doing.

Yeah. And covering each other through any and a thing. So who business is it but this? Unless he bring my name up. Right. But it's like. This is. That was it.

LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. Right. No, but it's like, this is, yo, that was it. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. But they be looking like, damn, what? But if I believe in spirits,

right, which sometimes I do, and I definitely believe in spirits in alcohol, right? Yeah, for sure. But,

I drink to that. But, but, but, is Pac stalking Jada in his death, or is Jada stalking Pac in his death? I think Jada is stalking Pac, and Pac is coming back stalking to fuck with them all. So elegantly put.

So elegantly put. Yes. If you believe in God or anything else, or any God, you believe it's spirit. So you're supposed to believe, yes. I believe they're in an entanglement. Right, right.

Pac and Jada. Yeah. Yes. They're in an entanglement. Spiritual entanglement. Yes. Yes. Definitely.

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you get your podcasts. AT&T. Connecting changes everything. I don't know. So now you're trying to explain your actions. I don't know. How do you say it? I don't know if it's going to translate. I don't know if it's a translation right here. But you're going to smell it. Let me know.

Translation. Translation. There's about five minutes left to this interview. I's going to translate. I don't know if it's a translation right here. But you're going to smell it. Translation. Translation. There's about five minutes left to this interview. I'm going to take some. I want to try that. I done found some old ass hash and weed. Old ass. That shit is, see, that's like wine.

I was mad at Redman because he had found an old bottle of Branson and he wouldn't smoke it. I wanted to smoke it with him. No, he wanted to smoke it by himself, that piece of shit. Yeah. That's my brother. No, no, no. He didn't smoke it. I wanted to smoke it with him. No, he wanted to smoke it by himself, that piece of shit. Yeah. That's my brother. No, no, no. He didn't smoke it, though. That motherfucker is a dirty nigga.

He wanted to smoke that shit by himself. I used to hate that nigga when we was younger. What? I wasn't ready, Trash. Nah. You used to hate Redman? Hell yeah.

Nigga, this right here, this is East Orange, this is Newark. He lived right there. I lived right here, this is East Orange, this is Newark. He lived right there, I lived right here. Just because he was from Newark, I was East Orange because at that time,

Newark niggas was like Brooklyn. They coming everywhere robbing niggas, so niggas hated Newark niggas. But he was just like right there, and we was little, but we ain't like each other. Wow. So when did you finally connect with them?

No, actually, it probably was at the park because we used to, the older heads never let us shoot basketball and shit. So we used to just run and take the ball and go all the way across. So you said you didn't like them as kids, for real, legit kids. Yeah. Yeah, as little niggas. Before records or anything. But through hip-hop that's why i saved the world on last i started i was like i'm like that

that be spitting you he's saying the same about me i know i was rocking. Yeah, hip-hop. Translation, god damn it. Shout out to Redman, man. Shout out to Reggie Noble. Okay, first-time felon, let's talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Delroy Lindo was in there. Charles Dutton was in there. Omar Epps. It was basically

a story of us being locked up in a boot camp type environment. First time felon if you fuck up. And we was from Chicago so he was a VL, Vice Lord, I was the GD. So we met up and was rivals in a pen

and if anybody fucked up before that time you had you was going to go straight to the pen instead of being released. So we filmed that. Also, Clifton Powell was in there. My

ex-wife, I got her role in there. Who? Pepper? Yeah. She was Clifton Powell's girl. Yeah, yeah. Holly Hood. I ain't going to lie. At one point, Saw anda was like Beyonce and Kelly Rowland.

Yeah. Shit. Everybody was like, the bag of, everybody was like, what? That was on, like on the wall.

Yeah. I used to cut out 12 inches. I wasn't a DJ, but the vinyls, I used to cut them out, the front and the back, and tack them on my wall. All the albums. Now, I was a a DJ, but the vinyls, I used to cut them out, the front and the back, and tack them on my wall. All the albums.

I was a little nigga, and then you backed up. I immediately didn't like Pepper no more. I was like, Tretch got her. I was a young hater. She was like, Queens, Queens, that's a queen. You know what redeemed it? Redeemed it Was Kenny Anderson From Left Rack City

Got with Spinderella Yeah I was like Ah he's even Yeah I was like ah he's even And then I forgot Who Salt got with Gavin

Okay okay okay Okay okay okay Yeah yeah But like I said And Salt-N-Pepa I haven't seen them In a long time But you know

They are They are the queens Of hip hop They are I seen them The other day Doing I don't know if in a long time, but they are the queens of hip hop. I seen them the other day doing, I don't know if this is a Will Smith thing, and someone asked Salt, why did the girls relate to you so much? And she said, because we really was around the way girls. Me, I only saw them on TV. To me, they were not around the way girls.

To me, they were like- Mega. The Prince of fucking Wells to me I mean I'm the princess The queen of Wells I'm not gonna see you As shirt kings You're not

You're in a whole different I'm not gonna see you At the mall Like y'all is Different They don't be The corner I'm looking at They don't look like you

Right Exactly Exactly So how did that happen How did that Nah it was just hip hop Like, like, serving, I think it was, like, spring break. No, it wasn't. I think it said Ted Duck.

It was Tenderonis, nigga. You know what I'm saying? No, actually, it was, like, MTV Raps. Right. Down in Miami. Everybody used to come down to anything else, so I met her first time down there. Why? And just was kicking it and everything else.

You know, I'll put my thing on. All right. Feel me? I'm trying to lean on them record sales I got out there, motherfucker. Did you have the braids this time? Oh, did I? Okay, okay. That's before my hairline was allergic to my eyebrows.

You coming at me again, nigga? You see? Yup. I ain't afraid. Oh, it's funny. Scorpio said at the panel at Harvard, he said, yeah, yeah, you know, Tretch, you're one of them original Brady Bunch. Oh, the Brady Bunch.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, shit, nigga. I love it. Yeah. Holy shit, man. And at that time, for lack of a better term, like y'all what? Like the Jay and Beyonce at that time. Like the first hip hop power couple.

Oh yeah, yeah. Like Jay and Beyonce mixed with a little bit of Bobby and Whitney. No, it wasn't Bobby and Whitney. No, he be doing the same thing. I'm trying to throw that out there. He doing something. Translations, he caught on immediately. I caught on, man on Whitney from East Stars

My nigga That's right That's right That's right Nah Nah Nah Nah

Jay and Beyonce was us Yeah yeah yeah No I'm dead serious I'm not I'm not even exaggerating No we can't I believe It wasn't

I believe y'all was the first Hip hop couple Yeah the first Like hip hop power couple Alright let me tell you something. In our motherfucking mansion in Morristown, where we got married, Reverend Run married us, nigga. Goddamn. Excuse me.

Excuse me. Like official tissue. That part. Nigga's getting Dr. Umar to marry them right now. Shit is real. Shit is real. I'm in. Dr. Umar, where you at, nigga?

I went too far. I went too far. See how you did? Yo, nobody didn't catch you. Yo, we caught everything. Yo, we caught them. Yeah. Yeah. The cameras catch it all, we caught everything. Yo, we caught all. Yeah, yeah. The cameras catch it all, too.

They're going to see our reactions. Like, hey, my son, it's you. Did you invest money with Flipper NJ and DJ Envy? Huh? Did you invest money with Flipper? Where are you going with all this crap? Huh? If you got high, you can hit.

Huh, nigga? No, we can't. We will let it be known This is me in court At all times Huh? Huh? I bleed the fifth, your honor You know you can't lock me in

Did you see him post yesterday? He was like, do y'all want my first interview to be with Drink Chance? Did you hear about it? MV's supposed to be out of it. But he has this partner from New Jersey. You know how y'all get down together. Yeah? Yeah, that's what you want to say?

You sticking with that one, too? You sticking with that one, too? My man, did you hear about this case? No. Okay, no, good. Envy's case with Envy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely heard about it.

Yeah, because, like, most people, like, invested. So I was just case, we're done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely heard about it. Yeah, because most people invested. So I was just asking, was you one of them or no? Hell no, nigga. On certain things, I faxed them they money. Right. Did you ever receive a dollar? Did you ever know that? I faxed them they money, nigga.

Your honor, this shit don't make me count. And they can't cash that fact. I'll back some money. Nigga, hey, man, tell me if it work and pay me. I'm going to get a couple more movies. Oh, because

this one is interesting because I was supposed to be in this movie, actually. Bodigua's barn Yeah Word is barn Big part Yeah Yeah

And the guy that was Actually acting Mm Was the director The funder The producer Remember the white guy That he moves to the Bronx

Which the story's about You remember Everybody had like One scene in that movie Really They didn't give me My one scene Why you ain't show up

I don't know I don't think they called me He said he was almost in the movie I was almost in the movie Almost in the movie And wasn't there I don't know I think Tress took my role

They said We seen him with Dominican and Juice He killed it Listen I've been going for that shit After Juice I'm like I could play some Spanish niggas

Fuck that I would take all these niggas roles Nigga I'm a Christian for all of you No some Spanish niggas. Fuck that. I would take all these niggas' roles. Nigga, I'm auditioning for all of them. No, but at that time, when you out, like, you ain't even got to audition for shit. They just call you. I'm like, fuck it. All right.

Yeah, it's a low budget. We ain't got what you got. All right. A day I'll be out there? All right, come on. Let's do it. All right. So that's when the, you know, I had a couple of those.

Okay. I'm going to skip around a little bit because you got a lot of movies. Yeah. Now, you're also in Empire. Yeah, yeah. Fat Joe. Yeah, Fat Joe in there. John Leguizamo.

Fat Joe got killed very fast. No, he did. Yeah, didn't he? Don't be talking like that. That's what he said in the rhyme. He said, kill your ass quicker than I did in the Empire movie. That's his rhyme. No, because he was killing niggas quick.

He didn't get killed The lie you said Didn't make sense There ain't no sense He said I'll kill your ass Joey he didn't mean that Joey Than I did in the Empire movie

Joey he didn't mean that Like you said Quicker than him Killing people I thought he meant He died fast No he ain't died fast That was very dyslexic of you

What do you expect Yeah they was running This shit in the Bronx There was like four families And Joey was one of them. He ain't died no early. Oh, okay. All right, cool. My bad, Joe Crack.

I went to dinner with him last night. Yeah. Another one. See, I told you. Yeah, my name was Cheddar in there. Cheddar. I had the biggest system in the projects. Speakers bigger than...

I had more speakers than furniture I had in that motherfucker. I system in the projects. Speakers bigger than, I had more speakers than furniture I had in that motherfucker. I was in the BX. What are you talking about? The Lost Book of Rap. Let's talk about that. I mean, that shit, I don't even remember. He said, mm-hmm.

Nah, it sound like a document Or something Like you tell me What's the next Fucking question Like what the fuck is that I think it's a lot Yeah

Yeah I'm gonna keep it Funky a thousand I'm not gonna find Like yeah yeah That was one of my best I'm gonna watch that now Yeah

Okay That definitely Wasn't a porn then No That's a movie too Thinker You't a porn then No That's a movie too You in a porn? Hey man I was getting money all over

In the 90s You want to talk about it man Let's make some noise back I said I was making money All for porns All for porns Yeah Oh okay

Holy shit And because Jersey They used to have The big porn factories Factories? Yeah They sent it in John Gotti's In John Gotti's documentary

Yeah like no no Where they made the porn The actual porn Oh no They have porn factories Down in the neck Where they make the porn Yeah

Yeah John Gotti He was saying like porn Like we just had a gang of hoes Getting fucked in every Fucking other condo And then Not like that Yes you did

Born factory nigga I'm like nigga He still I'm like nigga I'm like I was about to like I'm like Born factory

He's like What the fuck is this My bad Where they make You gotta correct me I'll keep going You gotta correct me Holy shit

I ain't just me This nigga We do this on a Like everyday, everyday talk when we see this. That's right. Don't mind that. Okay. I'm going to bounce it around and then we'll go back to the music. Yeah.

This is one more. Baseball Wives, 2002. You were called. Yeah. TV movie. Yeah, they did that. That was like a, I forgot a lot of people that was in there. But it was like you doing a confession, like if you was at like couples therapy, like, yo, this girl narrating through the movie and all that.

That was like, I like that because I wasn't playing a gangster. You know what I mean? To make sure I could switch up and do all this shit. Like Art of War 3 Shout out to Wesley Wesley Snipes Yeah he Your cousin

Yeah he had The franchise So he did one and two And then they put him In that federal pen So he let me do part three So CIA operative Da da da

Were you supposed to do Blade too? No I was Mother shit Yeah right You done killed Blade Trade Hey Wes Hey Wes Homie I operated da-da-da. Were you supposed to do Blade, too? No, I was most of the shit. Yeah, right? You done killed Blade. Nigga, hey, Wes. Hey, Wes, homie. Homie, you hear that?

All right. Yeah. All right, all right. I mean, not yet. Yeah. But I did do New Jack City live in theater as Nino Brown. Woo! That's right.

Kane is... Woo! Is it Kane that I see a part of that as well? Yeah. Well, Kane is Big Daddy Kane, Flex, Alexander, Tori Hart. Okay. It's like, it's Alan Payne. Tori Hart?

Yeah. G-Money. G-Money. Oh, I thought Cameron Hart had a brother we didn't know about. No, Tori Hart is his ex-wife. Oh, okay. Okay, my bad. She's a comedian.

Oh. She's a Keisha. Rock-a-bye, baby. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Kevin Hart's ex-wife? Yeah. She's a comedian?

Yeah, and an actress. Oh, how does they arguments go in the household? Well, it's X, so they ain't in the household no more. I mean, when they were, though. Two comedians? Yeah. Oh, it got real. Oh, it got real.

They said some under the cut shit. We always laugh at Remy Ma. You know, a comedian to fuck you up. You don't want beef with no comedian. We always laugh at Remy Ma and Pat Boos. We be like, yo, they be arguing about cereal in the morning. Like, yo, pass the bowl with cereal. Remy Ma and Pat Boots.

Like, they battle rap. Oh, okay. That's dope. To make breakfast. That's dope. In my mind, I'm making this up. Yeah. I can tell.

I can tell. Yeah. Well, yeah, that'd be funny. Two comedians married and shit like that. Yo, I think somebody killed one another. You know, you can't take a good-ass nigga snapping back at you all day. You feel some tight weight That's probably why they got divorced

How did you and Pepper argue? Nigga I argue by Motherfucking going out And getting some pussy You can't tell that's your wife What the fuck are you talking about That's not an argument man That's way beyond an argument

Hold on We had on, hold on. We had a different relationship. We brought bitches in. You feel what I'm saying? So I could go fuck that bitch. We can make it shit serious. I was like, what? You understand?

Listen, baby, I'm going to go get some pussy. I'll be right back. He's like, I don't understand what is the problem. I was like, that's a mean relationship. Nah, nah. It was all, we all had to understand it on me and him. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't even want to elaborate on that. I mean, it's facts. Our honeymoon in Hawaii, Kona nigga, we bored our bitch out there. Jesus Christmas. You feel me? Facts. What part of Maui is this? Man, Kona, nigga.

It's not even Maui. You trying to give me a different hour? I just told you Kona. Yo, this nigga keep... He thinking I'm drinking all this shit. You got that shit still there,

nigga? Nah, I already know. I'm getting real faded after hearing this. No, nah. Damn, nah. That's get real faded after here. No, nah. Damn, nah. That's real. That's real.

See, this nigga know how to keep it a doubt. Nah. He had so many stories. Nah, nah. I kid you not, though, bro. Like, the other day, I got to witness something like that. Like, you know, where a person has a whole separate family, and they get... That's all the understanding.

There's no beef. There's no none of that. Like, that shit's that's amazing yeah that's amazing i never had separate families though no no no so after the divorce then i had two babies same age and then two years later two babies and they not twins let's make some noise for not twins. Let's make some noise for not twins. I got a couple of non-twins. Yeah, yeah. After that, we loose. We was spreading our raw oats, like they say in Coming to America.

Brother! Brother, you spread your raw oats. Did you ever get your heart broke? Hell yeah, then I started pimping. Like, right the fuck up, nigga. Like pimping Bishop Don Juan pimping? No, like pimping like this. Okay. Bitch, fuck you, bitch.

And bow, you got money for me. And ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. You know, bras was cold. Like, back in our days, like, it was never like a such thing as like an older nigga fucking with a high school girl. Because the drug dealers was lined up outside and shit. So all the good girls that was bad, nigga, they had them. Nigga, and I was trying to rap. Nigga, I didn't have a job at the fucking time, bitch.

I can't afford you type shit. And then once I seen a girl I want, I ain't never even go to a prom. Because they wanted the nigga that was active. You know, I had, boom. Nigga, seen one of my homies that I ain't fuck with no more. She knew it and fuck with him. I was like, it's over.

I'm down with OPP, nigga. Is that how you came up? Because somebody else took your pussy? Nah. Okay. No, I'm asking. No, I'm asking. Nigga, you had pussy taken from you, too.

Everybody had pussy taken. That's what turned us into the whores we were. In fact, I feel like you ain't a man unless someone took. No, it gives you that. You learn that. It gives you that turtle shell. Yeah. It gives you that shell like, now, you ain't getting me like that.

Because you know what it was at first? Remember being in the hood? You always had the fast girls, right? And the fast girls was like, yeah. But then we would be like, ah, we don't want to mess with her. She messes with everybody. But then everybody turned their head

and like, maybe, maybe, let me get a little peace. You know what I mean? Let me get a little peace. And then you get hurt. See, with me, after that too, I never had like a girl like, you know, I smashed a couple of boom, boom, boom. But that I had any feelings for Pep and all my baby mamas.

Pep from Queens and she's Jamaican. My other two baby mamas, rest in peace, Lissandra. She was Puerto Rican from the Bronx, Dominican, and my wife now. She black, but it's like all that right there, it was just in-house. She said, Puerto Rican from the Bronx. Yeah,

me not fucking with nobody in the hood, so a bitch ain't gonna hurt my heart like that again. All right. Fucking nigga, I know. Just to get back. Hold on,

let me just get this straight. Puerto Rican from the Bronx. Yeah. Dominican from Queens. Yeah. Dominican from the Bronx and my wife now, she from Ohio.

I ain't gonna front, Tres, I feel like you got stabbed at a lot of times. Stabbed? Stabbed at, like they was trying to stab you.

Because I feel like the Puerto Rican from the Bronx tried to stab you at one point. No, they thought I was Dominican, nigga.

And I was strapped. I'm not going to the Bronx without that thing, nigga. Right, right, right. Nigga, I had the long one, too, back then. But for real, nigga, I ain't playing. Boy, let me change the subject up. But I, I had the long one too back then. For real. Nigga, I ain't playing.

Boy, let me change the subject up. But I really going to the Bronx. Had the relatives there that love me. But whenever I go somewhere, before it was legal, who got the weed? Right. Niggas five different niggas hustling.

I'm buying them out. Right. Off the top. Nigga, I'm bringing this shit back. Who the fuck is that? That's that Tress from New England by Nature. God, I need a meal for me. That's my meal.

That's my meal. That's my meal, you know what I mean? So I'm in cool in the end. Right, so Tress, let me know. I'm bouncing around a little bit. But I remember back in the days when you was an artist, the police didn't pull you over. Didn't? I mean, at one point. It was like, hold on, let me finish. Let me finish making my point. remember back in the days when you was an artist the police didn't pull you over did they i mean

at one point it was like it was hold on let me finish let me finish make my point it was like it was like kind of like respect right the drug dealers will protect you you know i'm saying the people would and queens i'm talking about yeah i would definitely say not in jersey well okay okay from this we's grimy like i said we had one of the biggest drug blocks in East Army. Police ain't fuck with us then. Nigga, police ain't fuck with us after we got out. In our own hood.

They ain't even fuck with us like today. Like me, me. You know what I mean? Then no, you know, people in the city all that politics shit or whatever. I go to Newark like to do, if I want to do a video, son,

Roz Barak, shout out, do it all, the first politician, hip hop politician in Newark. Anybody, like,

you shooting a video, cops don't sweat you for that shit. I'm doing shit or bringing shit around. You got a permit. Like, homies,

nigga, I ain't hustle After I gave up I said the only way I sell drugs again If I got a motherfucking pharmacy Nigga Or dispensary

Like nigga like I ain't doing nothing And I give back more To the community Than anybody Y'all doing nothing Y'all locking niggas up So at home

I got a key to the city In like Orange Not in Easton Until after Like a proposal is up. So at home, I got a key to the city in orange, not in eastern until after a proposal. So it's like, this is our hometown. We came from here. They was mad when we did Ghetto Bastard

video as well, said we made the city look bad showing the projects. The city got projects? Hold on, hold on. We made the city look bad for showing the projects. Something that was there. Y'all motherfuckers built? Hold the fuck up.

Oh, we showing the world. They like, where the fuck is that? With these niggas with braids, dickies, and boots, and bats, and shanks, and uzis, and what the fuck? And Jersey? Right. Yeah, they like, everybody thought Jersey in New York was like the grass and all that.

It's a hood everywhere. Yep. Yeah. Quick time? Yeah, we can do quick time. No, no, no, hold on, Dan. Hold on. What?

Okay. Come on, let's go. You ready? AFN, you want to explain to them the rules? Yep Alright so this is our drinking game Only half of the diamonds Damn you should have told me that before I took another drink

God damn Like 20% of it Trying to give me faith They can't just sit out They cheat You can sip your drink or take a shot That's up to you Yeah what the fuck

My drink is a shot So we're going to give you two choices. If you pick one, no drinking. Right? Nobody drinks. That's boring. But if you say both, if you say both or neither,

we all drinking. It's the one where all of us going to fucking drink. You little trick question ask. I take the one where all of us both are going You little trick question ask The one I take the one where all of us Both of us Let's go We go down

We all go down together Yes we go down Is this drink chance What the fuck Tell me the one that don't drink Yeah Go on First one is

And you can explain Like if you want to explain it Cause you know This is about talking about Everybody we mentioning here Alright Pac or DMX Pac Lauren Hill or Queen Latifah Queen Latifah I want to explain it because this is about talking about everybody we're mentioning here. All right. Pac or DMX?

Pac. Lauren Hill or Queen Latifah? Queen Latifah. See, you don't want to drink. Yeah. No, he on point. No, I know he is. Wise and intelligent or King Sun?

Both. I got it. Cheers. Cheers, cheers, Cheers. Cheers. That wasn't, that didn't work out, right? Can I give you a napkin?

What did you do there, bro? Sculpt it. I like to tell you, I did that shit on purpose. All right. Shaq or Ron Artest? Shaq.

Shaq from the bricks, right? Yeah. No. Ice teaT or Ice Cube? Ice-T. Going through this. Proz or Wyclef? Both.

Can't go against Cruz. The Outlaws or Goody Mob? Outlaws. Biggie or Big L? Biggie. Life After Death or All Eyes On Me? Both. Fucking cheat.

That was cheat. Yeah. Shit. Cheating. That's motherfucking. Look, you're Dominican. You want some marijuana? I need a meal.

Suave, papi. Suave. Suave, tio. Suave, tio. You want to go to your guy? Yeah, no, I'm going to totally set myself. I told you I had Puerto Rican, Dominican, and motherfuckers. I motherfucking had to know what they were saying about me. Because I would have got. Nigga, I learned Spanish.

I spanglish like a motherfucker. Me comprende, papi. Me comprende. Jason's lyric or Juice? Juice. Chris Cross or The Youngstas? Youngstas. Will Smith or Chris Rock?

Both. You piece of shit. Yo, y'all be cheating. For the guy, y'all be cheating. Hey, man. Yeah. All right, let's see. Uno mas, uno mas.

Analog or digital? Analog. I knew he was going to say mas. Analog or digital? Analog. I knew he was going to say that. I'm an analog nigga too. Raw Digger or MC Lyte? Raw Digger. This jersey, I love MC Lyte. You fucker.

Yo, both. Make them both. Fuck you. God damn it, you fucking son of a bitch. MOP or Mobb Deep? MOP. Kiss or not? You fucking son of a bitch M.O.P. or Mobb Deep? M.O.P. Kiss or not? Both, you motherfucking

Wait, we going back? Whoa, man Is you serious? M.O.P. Mobb Deep You going back You saying both Both Nigga, I took drink, motherfucker

Oh, you drinking? Yeah, nah This nigga getting real He just keep picking up the fucking blunt nigga drink

yeah go ahead Jada Kiznaz Jada Nas nigga both Jada Nas nigga this is

both yo Jaden Nas, nigga, this is both. Yo, yeah, y'all going to cut that shit out. All these niggas I know, too. All in my family. Anybody he name, y'all motherfuckers, he knows them both. You know what? Let me take this last one.

Don't even ask shit. Is that, you know, Judge is ganged up. He was just talking, going like this. I ain't asking no, ask this nigga, he ain't drink shit. I want, I want smoke now.

I want smoke right now. Now you gotta pick up the list now. Yeah, I don't know where I'm at, because I'm preparing for, you gotta prepare for what? I'm preparing for, you got another interview after this?

No, no, I'm preparing for, no nigga, preparing for what? You're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, I'm preparing for No, nigga, prepare for what? You're preparing what? Your music question For what? Nigga, you can do that

You taking over these shots Yeah, go to the next one Why you pulling Yo, nigga, try Leave it to the next one Nigga, I already

tell the deep shit Leaders of the new score of Tribe Called Quest He taking the drinks, nigga? We all drinking No, we not I'm done I've been drinking

with you No, no, no, no We just turned over He's taking the shot I'm taking it Oh, nigga? We all drinking. No, we not. I'm done. I've been drinking with you. No, no, no, no. We just turned over. He's taking a shot. I'm taking it. Oh, you're taking it for me? No, nigga. Not for him, nigga.

Hold the fuck up. Y'all really thought I drunk that much in this motherfucker? Did y'all really think I drunk that much in here not to know what the fuck going on, nigga? I be faded all the time, and I ain't caught. No, y'all ain think I drunk that much in here not to know what the fuck going on, nigga? I be faded all the time and I ain't caught none. Y'all ain't seen me on the news, did y'all? I ain't caught DMZ. I ain't showing out. Nigga, I know how to handle this shit, you motherfucker.

You gonna start drinking, motherfucker. I'ma call Uncle Waz, I'm telling you. I'ma call Uncle Waz, nigga. Uncle Waz stopped drinking, yo. Shout out to Uncle Waz, man. I'ma call Uncle W know these other a long time. Sonny drinking for both y'all. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Where we at? Brand newbie or poor righteous teachers? Oh, man. Both. Yeah. Good. But now I'm the only one fucking drinking Oh, man. Both. Man. Come on.

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Red alert, Kid Capri. Red alert. Gotta get my uncle before my bro. Come on, man. You gonna get me... Primo or Pete Rock? Primo. Capone or Cormega? Capone-Mega.

Mega? That's why I'm talking to me and my queens. Niggas like, yo, man, these niggas on this reason. Clue or Funk Flex? I can't even talk right now. Clue, my nigga. Clue, nigga. Nobody else in that sentence.

Yo, Funk or Flex, right? Okay, translation. Translation. Translation. Scarface or Koojirap? That's both. Come on, let's just drink. Scarjirap, nigga.

Scarjirap, nigga. Scourgey Rap. Scourgey Rap, nigga. Yo. Run DMC or EPMD? Man, Run DMC. Them my uncles. I got to take my uncles off my bruhlies. Kane or LL?

I was a little LL. And I love Kane, but I'll say LL because I have... Nigga! Both! They ain't getting me fucked up, nigga. They're my uncle. This is a good segue. 80s or 90s hip-hop? 90s, nigga. That's where we was at. I have to say 90s. Rakim or KRS-One?

Ra-R-S-One, nigga. Like, what the fuck? Both, motherfucker. Like, nigga, I don't want no smoke with my ass. I just did motherfucking Good Morning America with Rakim

for the Cassidy shit with Kim playing shit. Nigga. And who you said with? Rakim and KRarras1. Karras1, and we have a single out. Me, Karras1, and SadatX called Free Paper Burn. All right, all right.

Paper Burn. I sent my notes. Yeah, I sent my notes. I sent my notes. Thank you, sir. Take a shot, son. Take a shot. Tell him.

Tell him. You take a shot? Huh? Jay Wex. Jay Wex Jay Wex Yeah that's in my notes Chill That's my most relative Over there

Yeah I'ma tell him Alright we almost done We almost done Uh huh The score Or dare is the dark side I don't Know neither one

Of them motherfuckers Fugees or Redman Oh no you said albums Oh the score Oh okay I thought You was talking movies Go ahead The score Fugees or Redman, basically. Oh, no, you said albums. Oh, the score? Oh, okay, I thought you was talking movies. Go ahead. No, no, the score, Fugees, or Dare is the Dark Side,

which is Redman. Nigga, both. Jersey, is you serious? This is the same like the Brooklyn Cats. They do the same thing. Jersey do not go against Jersey. I'm about to start drinking again. Yeah, yeah, Jersey do not go against Jersey.

I like these motherfucking questions. N.W.A. or Wu-Tang Clan? N.W. Tang. Wu-Tang with an attitude? Set It Off or New Jersey Drive? Set It Off. Jersey Drive was whack as hell. Really?

No, I'm just saying. Let me, like, I love. First, I wasn't in it. So, yeah, I'm just saying No Let me Like I love First I wasn't in it So yo I'm biased I was I was doing a little Hater shit You feel what I'm saying You read for it

No hell no Hold on Um No It wasn't Like Jersey Anyway I said who I said

Alright Set it off Set it the fuck off Cleo Come on Put that shit down Cleo Alright two more

Video music box Or video jukebox Video Music box Ralph McDaniels All fucking day That's my uncle I have All of my uncles for real

Because I was adopted I was a ghetto bastard Wrote a song about it Wanna hear it? Here you go Alright, last one Loyalty or respect? Loyal

Respect I like that Translation Translation Translation Or It's a new And guess what

Us three right here At this table We gonna do some things And we gonna have A whole nother slang-witch And we gonna put it out And everything else Cause it was invented here

On different just bows And everything we recorded We gonna put it down It's gonna be it was invented here On different just bows And everything we recorded We're going to put it down It's going to be a new slang Why wouldn't it be? Yeah Why wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah

New slang Get some money off this shit This is something I wanted to ask you for years On Poison Men Has this record, right? Uh-huh And it's you, Craig Mack

Method Man Wow And Busta Rhymes on it. And in the beginning of the record, you say, this is what Poison Men's sessions be like. Now, for years, I heard that part, and I was like, what the fuck is going on in the fucking Poison Men's

session? So, can you break it down for people? Because I don't know. Could you introduce the song and tell them what you're saying in the features? Yes. Do what you want to do and then I'll... It's Poison Man. It's called Vibin'.

Vibin'. It's called Vibin'. Featuring Busta Rhymes, Craig Mack, Method Man, and yourself. And in the beginning of it, you're saying,

this is what we're doing. It sounds like you're having mad fun. But in my opinion, this is an R&B band. These guys can't be having fun. But then it sounds... When you come on and you say something like, yo, man, this is how the party't be having fun. But then it sounds, when you come on and you say something like, yo, man, this is how

Poison Men's Session be. And I was like, damn, could the Poison Men's Session be fucking off the chain? Was it? Let me tell you something. When you had them artists at that time in the same studio, we just spoke on things, right?

Nigga, we have imported bitches in there he said imported Santorini no every nigga that was married or had a girl ain't fucking around nigga we imported some hoes in there we had vibing going the fuck, we are vibing. Nigga, we were vibing like a motherfucker. All that shit was straight in, boom. So what you was saying, like, you know, like back in the days and everything, it'd be a gang of niggas ain't putting no verses in in the studio because that street vibe or whatever you feeling, or you bring a gang of girls in on a sexy vibe, like, boom.

Like, to feel that ambiance on everything else. Yeah, I fucked a couple, nigga. I know you're laughing. He like want to say ambiance. Yeah, he fucking, that's my brothers over there. Can't take them nowhere, that's why I take them everywhere,

these motherfuckers. Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. You just said K Slade Because you I'm looking at this 200 deep

Rest in peace K Slade Rest in peace K Slade It wasn't It wasn't the two different ones he had He had rolling 110 deep Yes He had 101st Yo let me tell you something

Um And I really don't want to get In nothing crazy with Um Flex Flex and I No no no

I respect He a black man I don't want Want to never go He know we had our problems Nothing crazy with Flex. No, no, no. I respect. He a black man. I don't want to never go. He know we had our problems over. And it was business stuff and everything else. You know, but I don't want to tear him down. But K Slay, let me tell you something.

K Slay was a nigga that would play. Not. I got to play to pay. You got to pay to play. You got to pay to play. You got to pay me. Boom. And it's not even like payola or something. It's just doing extras for DJs to pull them close and just play they stuff.

It kind of fucked up the game. K Slay, that motherfucker would play a nigga that rolled up on him out of nowhere, let him hear some shit on that and be like Yo Email that shit to me

Yo son Son Here Take my number Take my number Call me tonight Call me Yo

K Slay Called The first of 100 MC's It wasn't an assistant It wasn't a He called them himself 200 MC's before he went. He called all of us.

Everybody was talking about that when we was at the premiere and all that. Like, yo, this nigga called us himself. And if he liked the shit he was going to play, if he didn't, he wasn't. He didn't give a fuck where he was from. You ain't had to offer him nothing, say, I got something for you. No, he's like, nah, nigga, if I like it, I'm playing it on my show. I got the hottest shit at night. Boom.

And that was what he, and Pat Pooh, shout out to my nigga Pat Pooh. I seen him there. Love Pat Pooh's, kept his legacy a lot. He was there when he. Keeping it alive. Yeah. Still keeping it. He was there like when he was in the hospital. It was like one of his last words is put out this 200 wow like you know really no

really i mean k slay was like that well i came to see k slay used to be a graffiti writer no k slay yo i came look uh with my other relatives up in Harlem, and I just came in like, where K. Slate's store? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So I roll up in there. Slate is behind the counter. Yo, he's on the road. He's doing radio. He got his show.

It ain't like it was viral at home. You could do it at home. You go into the station, boom. He's behind The counter At his store And so I rolled by I had the hoodie on And everything else

And he was like Homie Homie You want something Boom I took off the hoodie Turned around I'm like

Yeah nigga I threw like five G's down Like everything up there I want this And then gave half of it out to the homies in Harlem there. And then took the rest and gave it to my homies in the hood. Because he would call. It's crazy because once you get so long in the industry, like every other genre of music, you get larger.

You get more paper. Hip hop, they try to be like, oh, you was hot then. I was blessed because I was doing movies anything else and then i'm like yo we gotta do some negotations nigga and i say that to white folks yo we gotta do some negotations nigga meaning translations i ain't stupid I know the game Pay To play So It was just Yeah

Yeah Facts And you got to see Melly Mel there too? Man Melly Every time I see Melly Mel Yo this is Yo He gonna fuck me up too

You know Melly Mel Yeah He strong He strong This night He's like He's strong This night He's like A grandfather that did 40 years in

Like in the yard Ain't nothing else But I tell his joke Cause he caught They Cause I was jealous and shit They was like Yo you ain't big as your uncle

Melly Mel I'm like Nigga like what Nigga I got lip ache You ain't big like him I'm like Yo That's a blow-up balloon suit. It's a balloon suit.

I said, yeah, man. He's like, man, you lying. I said, I'm telling you, when he sit down one time, he sat on something sharp, and it just deflated and shit. He was wrong for that. Yo, yo, I just bought a Vintner. He said, yo, for real. I said, Vintner. He said, yo, for real? I said, yeah, man. He got, I said, Uncle Mel.

I said, what's wrong with your muscles? They shrinking. He said, broken glass everywhere. Oh, holy moly. Oh, I can't take y'all nowhere. That's why I take y'all everywhere. We need Melly Mel on Drink Champ. Nigga, do we?

Yo, he told me over there, he said he went to the doctor, and the doctor told him, yo, your blood pressure's getting high, and everything is from drinking. You got to stop it. Melly Mel told the doctor, like, we got to think of another way to go around. This is why I'm going to y'all. He said, hold on. Drinking is not going to work.

You got to think of another way. Figure that. You the doctor. Figure this shit out where I continue drinking. But he drinking, doing all that shit? It's different. It's 5 o'clock somewhere But Right

Are you talking about People drinking Is your shit called drink champ No I thought I thought Melly Mel Drink Nutri-Mix No no no All day

He don't drink He works out And then when you go out Certain times But for us as artists When we on detox It's like When we don't have

An event or a show Right And then you have Five a week And then you have five a week and then you get older you be like oh fucker the other day

on detox day cause we see all the funerals we going to for natural causes with our families so they telling us alright now

you wanna come with us or you wanna get it together bow that's why I took all my milk thistles that's's for you. My look. Could you say it again? Chance knows for your liver Milk this I'm gonna chase out every day. I take you don't take it He didn't even know what the fuck. No, that's good for your living man

Oh notice this uh me and my wife down here so this horny horny goat weed you get that shit. No pun intended. Yo that nigga testosterone. This is different. Open the fuck up. That garlic extract to get all that little poison shit out your shit. Nigga you gotta keep better health and order and shit. That's vitamin C. Oh shit, I got that. And the milk thistle, this is for your mother. That's your liver, man. You understand? So you do that. Oh shit, I opened my bag and found an alligator. Oh, here's your hat. You know what he had?

Thank you. Thank you. You motherfucker. I'll be searching my own shit like, niggas, get your hands up. All right, so what the fuck is this? Milk? Milk thistle. It's a root. And what is it? I mean, it's... So, if you take a couple of them a day, and they can tell you it's official, it ain't

no motherfucking percs. It's good for look. Yeah, I ain't going to lie, You the first nigga to pull out vitamins. Let's make some noise for you. He came to Drink Champs with the vitamins. With the vitamins. Nigga milk fizzle. Right after Drink Champs.

By the way, I got to pull a little. I thought y'all was putting slang on it. It's really called fizzle. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's not fizzle with the whistle. It's not. Yo. It's not fizzle, my nigga. Mama, what are you saying about the East Orange educational system?

Cause we were still I thought I thought y'all was all saying Yo we were cut Yo Classes Come the fuck back We were cut Classes go uptown

To pick up coke And get mixtapes And we would We would have it where we come to fuck back and still pass our shit when the shit we came because we were smart niggas spells frequently you know i mean i got a chip on my shoulder that bill gates ain't mate gotta connect up in harlem got a great wait wait got a hot enchilada got a hot tray eight Heavy rocks in my rings that a quake can't shake Or she can't freak, you a freak, let's fuck Keep a freak for a week, fuck a stunt for a month

Got a plan, hot damn, and a great rapper flow Got an actual, factual, international afterglow Tools for your fools, time to fix some shit Got talent, more gifted than the Christmas list Got tools for many fools, so I ride east, west Got a list, these the best, so two so many fools So I ride east west Got a list These the best So I'm stressed

Why I guess Got a lot of hot material Real on the set I got ass in first class Put some head on the jet Got an album We wildin' Cause we ride the rest

I got kids A gang of niggas I call a tribe Called Tress We got Henny We got Dizzer We got dinner We got Dizzer Yo got dinner We got Dizzer

Yo, yo, yo Oh, you motherfuckers, y'all I swelled everything You motherfuckers Now, this is something I always wanted to ask you Yeah, why? Yeah You named it Uptown Anthem

Mm-hmm You named it Uptown Anthem At that time On the east coast The only uptown we knew Was Manhattan Was Uptown Harlem And the Bronx Yeah Was that song made for Harlem and the Bronx

Or that was made for any uptown Everywhere else It was a movie right It was for the movie That's the other name It was for for any Uptown everywhere else it was for the movie that's the other name it was for Juice I made the song I wrote

I wrote the there was a second no Uptown Anthem is because but didn't have a second name to it no

no I'm thinking of no translation Uptown Anthem was because Juice was filmed in Harlemlem uptown now it could have been uptown harlem uptown bronson it was in harlem so when i the first verse i i put on it

no the last one uh come around the corner withptown Bunch. That was actually the first verse I wrote to when I heard the beat. And it was the whole time when I first before I heard the track, I said, this song's going to be called Uptown Anthem. Period. Did you know how great that song was going to be?

No. I'm saying you didn't feel that in the studio? No, we feel like, oh, I'll be on my dick. When I be in the studio No we feel like Cause that record is incredible I be on my dick When I be in the studio I truly be on my dick I be like

This shit is the greatest ever You feel me Like I know I know it's not It doesn't reach OPP Then the motherfucker come out Doing the song Be like

Nigga I'm like Nigga I gotta do that No You feel me It's a difference That's one of the best hip hop records ever Rock and roll I tell you Country music

Any art form Their legends are gonna always Nigga They be telling Like Grammy nominated Nigga I got a Grammy in the fucking house American music war in the fucking house Yo don't cut my pay.

So I never look at it like the millions that was left on the table because I'm like, nah, nigga, that ain't enough to what comes after that. I didn't bend over to get fucked by y'all industry. And I didn't come up with snakes and rats and shit. You know what I'm saying? And little homies. I'm knowing the business on it. Oh, y'all want to do business? Watch me do business.

Boom. Yeah. What's the status like with the masters? Well, Tommy Boy don't sell masters or anything. We really didn't care because we re-recorded

all our shit. Y'all re-recorded? Y'all did the Taylor Swift shit. Oh, y'all did that. Yeah, and I sound just like the fuck I did on all the rest of them shit. Wow, y'all re-recorded Y'all did the Taylor Swift shit Oh Y'all did that Yeah And I sound just like The fuck I did On all the rest of them shit Wow

Y'all sell your own shit Man Now I'm the baby mama That's giving your baby mama Drama drama By the spinal And find the one I'm around

Holy Toledo Jackie New City Here we go Now I love you Here me though Come and fill me flow No I'm just saying You

I'm telling you Like when I record it When they hear it They don't know the difference And we get all that money After the fact Y'all don't have to give us Our masses

We remastered And Tommy Boy was a National label Independent label So they gave different deals Overseas So the market overseas That never even got it

Getting it Passport pimping Different deals overseas. So the market overseas that never even got it, getting it. Wow. Wow. Passport Pimpin', International Papers. That's genius. Thank you. Now, you were just saying this thing that's earlier, but Fill Me Flow. Yeah.

I feel like that was your time to just, you were showing off on that mic. Definitely. When I heard the track, on the track, it was like. Usually I already have a hook or I write something around like the melodies. But on that, I'm like, that's the hook. Here we go now. Holla if you're hearing me though. Come and feel me flow.

Sing. Here we so now in the concerts and arenas. Here we go. Kind of feel me flow. The flow pro poetical with skills only a better, no better, no where's a where to float. It's on point like Decimals manhandling new crew. Partying with the zoo crew.

Looking for the pink and poo-poos I thought you knew too Stone styles The stamina jamming And while we playing in the gym We butt-puss with the party images Damaging, managing, damaging Mike's men

And even mannequins You a fan again Now I wanna know What's a mannequin Nip-nip-nip Naughty's back like vertebrae Word that hey, I hold The way I show you

Pray I flow Steady, bake it to the boogie so bang time to sling bang and watch all the poo tank tank tank and then when when i did this on again i was like i like to dedicate this shit to janet jackson's nipple when it popped out at the ball fucking super bowl you had a picture of the nipple in the office I did in my studio, that's right. Put me on the planet, damn it. Where all the players look like Janet. Slick, is it or is it? How long I get in and fan it? Pick, rubbing, running.

Yeah, I'm running. Yeah, I'm running. In it, ran in front of it. Rubbed it, Rupo Nani planted. Plant it as I pack it. Pick it and then pack it. Trick it and then track it. Throw it, crack, then catch it.

Quick as Ricochet, rap it. Quick because it's a habit. So rap it as fast as another brother running rapid. You know what I mean? So All the records All the records y'all buying Doesn't even sound like they

Wearing no You know what I mean? Buy that shit So um We spoke about this earlier Fuck My kids is ordering food Daddy duties

Yeah Everything's gonna be alright Yeah You know Fuck kids ordering food. Daddy duties. Yeah. Everything's going to be all right. Yeah. You know, that statement itself is something that should be. It's something that when you Google in the morning, when you wake up in the morning. Everything's going to be all right. As soon as you wake up. Your wake up call, everything's going to be all right. Yeah. As soon as you wake up. Your wake up call, everything's going to be all right.

You got to walk outside with the mind state of that. Not what's been going on, nothing. Everything's going to be all right. And so that's what we want to do. And we told a story of the hood through the record, but the hook always came to no matter what. All that shit you're going through. What you just heard, right. Everything's going to be all right.

You know what I mean? Like the radio now, they be blaming parents and the rappers for doing all this, you know, extra confrontational like music and all that. Yo, y'all playing it y'all are the motherfuckers that's playing this shit when you hear something on the radio all day even if you don't like it you start being like damn that's you you don't even know you'd be like then you stop yourself right like nigga i don't like this shit but you hear it so much they get programs they program it into you so i know plenty of records i don't like this shit, but you hear it so much. They get programs. They program it into you. I know plenty of records I don't like. So on the radios, if you was playing shit like J. Cole and all kinds of certain niggas,

you had to have that type of music to get at least day play. Balance. We need the balance. Play all the dark shit and the banging shit and anything else at night. But you have a different mind trance of what's coming in as far as, yo, this is what our kids need to hear. The people that's riding around in the day, the parents, the phone. Even the parents start listening like, yo, everything will be all right. I mean, that's for the kids Cause they gonna get everything else

On the internet And on they phone Right You know but they hear it When they ride Or they start Once a A pack of people

Start liking something People be like What's that Right They wanna come on So It's crazy But it's worth it

People all the time Come up to me and say, your music saved my life, or your music got me through this. It's always an honor. It's always something. But did you ever have to listen to your own music to help you get through something? Nah, that shit took me back to dark places.

I used to listen to everybody else's shit and that shit made me write. But you wouldn't listen to yourself? No, I had to listen to it enough so I remember the lyrics on stage and shit because I wouldn't have shows. I'm like, nigga. But when you hear it so much, I just love hip hop so much. And I felt what always made me better was by listening to everybody else and knowing their lyrics. But I'm really knowing it because niggas was dope as fuck. Right.

70s, 80s, 90s. Right. Like, niggas was dope as fuck. I mean, any, you could listen to albums front to back. Right. From the cassettes. Yeah. Don't tell my age, motherfucker.

I was a cassette mixtape DJ. He was a mixtape with a mixtape. I brought your cassette that I bought. Yes, make some noise for that. Look at that. Look at that.

Motherfucker. Yeah. That's crazy. At the height, when you sold all these records, what was on your rider? My rider at them?

Oh, one thing we never do as well, we never try to break the bank with the promoters. Anyway, we always want them to call us back. Okay. So certain spots, if it's a local spot And it's the hood It's gonna be like 100, 200 niggas there We gonna need a little extras But for the everyday rider We going to different towns

And anything else Right It look like this Right We at Hennessy of course Yeah you was at Hennessy And we at 40 ounces 40 ounces

What kind? Private stock? Oglies? Okay And condoms It's on the rock What kind of condoms You had back then? Old England? Old England. Okay. And condoms. What kind of condoms you have back then? Rough Riders?

Trojans. Lifestyles? Lifestyles. A lot of Trojans. Magnums came after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you had to double and triple up on them little things. Sonny asked for the lambskin.

What? Them lambskins, nigga, them shits was just open. I was like, fuck it up. He said, extra lamb? I was like, fuck it up. Extra lamb open Nigga I was like Fuck you I was like Fuck you Extra lamb Nigga you need a goat Nigga You want that shit

For a lot You need a whole buffalo You need buffalo skin Nigga Them magnets What Nah yeah Condoms and all that

Cause Cause you know We was doing our thing Plus We had stickers And then our OPP When I say say, now here's your membership. I have to start throwing condoms out. So, LL Cool J was throwing out flowers.

You were throwing out condoms. Let's make some noise. He was trying to do law of attraction. He threw law of attraction. You guys were on priority, right, at one point? No. No? No, we were always.

We actually never signed to Tommy Boy. We signed to Warner Brothers. Benny Medina signed us to Warner Brothers. They didn't know how to work hip hop, so they said our subsidiary label was Tommy Boy. Wow. Which is all over here. So we got signed for like $250,000 then, which back then was like a million. There was no between Tommymmy boy and no

after tommy boy we went to arista and clive davis that's right that's right that's where what it was because clive davis my boy was was the the local street team for you guys i forget what label he had it must have been arista or maybe it was tommy boy and you guys were the first Big hip hop artist I met Personally My god And And I remember like Did they have a bat?

Nah Okay No they did They did on stage Yeah Not when I met them Yeah And I remember I was like

I was so struck by how humble you guys were Because you guys are mega stars Right And I was like Man this is crazy How humble these guys You guys came on time To whatever

How about today Nah I ain't gonna lie I bet against you He did He bet against you I bet against you I had to pay the water bill Anyway

So I'm gonna go Take a piss I'm taking a piss too I'm taking a piss too I'm coming Alright man I hope this Y'all get y'all

Fucking money from this Hold on Hold on In all fairness In all fairness I said He gonna show up at 430 I hope this is. Y'all get y'all fucking money from this. Hold on, hold on, hold on. He better get this nigga right on time. Hold on, in all fairness, in all fairness, I said he going to show up at 4.30. You know what time he showed up? 4.03. I'm going to.

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reached so many heights and to see someone like that and y'all were just like on point, humble, doing the job and getting the fuck out of Dodge. I was like, okay, it was an example to be led. And then later on And I said this last time

You guys were here My first Me and my crew The first video appearance Was in the craziest video You guys did the region version And you said Miami And we came down

We was the Miami guys In that Motherfuckers Hip hop facts God damn it Thank you Translation You know Translation Yeah translation That's beautiful Hip-hop facts out there. God damn it. So thank you, translation. You know.

Translation. Yeah, translation. That's beautiful. You ever thought hip-hop would make it this far? Yes. You did? That's why I stayed in. One thing I always said, like, every five years since the inception of hip-hop,

I always heard from the media and rock groups in all different countries, ah, don't worry about that noise. It only gonna be around for five more years. So 50 years later, you'd be like, we made it. Like, I knew it. I got in it. But the thing is,

I'm not no psychic, but I felt it in the heart. If it didn't make it, I was going to do it up in this motherfucker while I was here. But every year I seen like in different decades and more artists came out, I'm like, oh shit, this shit ain't going nowhere. And motherfuckers get doing shit and making money. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like loving it all right because they asked me a long time ago they asked me i think it was a show or something it was like what you be doing if it wasn't for hip-hop i said i'll probably be in your house tying you up and getting your kids and

anything else and going for the safe and doing some real shit every day i'll be licking every day and it's a hundred million motherfuckers just like me. Right. Hip hop saves you motherfuckers. Saves a lot of motherfuckers. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. Now, let me ask you this. Probably, it's only a couple of people

who could probably answer this question. What would life be like if Tupac had a Twitter? Huh. It depends on which Tupac had a Twitter? Oh. It depends on which Tupac. If it was the 20-year-old, 30-year-old, 40-year-old, or 50-year-old. Ooh.

So we saying... Hey, how early on you met Pac? Was it during Digital Underground days? Yeah, it was Digital Underground. It was... We were both on Tommy Boy, Naughty by Nature. Well, actually, before Naughty by Nature. Digital Underground was on Tommy Boy, Naughty by Nature. Well, actually, before Naughty by Nature. Digital Underground was on Tommy Boy, not pop.

Digital Underground and Queen Latifah was on Tommy Boy. Yes. I was on the road as a roadie carrying the bags. For Queen Latifah? Yeah, and her hype. And he's a roadie for Digital Underground. Yes. That's wild.

That's how we met. That's crazy. Let's make some noise for the roadies. Yeah. underground yes that's how we met wow that's crazy let's make some noise for the roadies that's how we met so we was carrying bags and vial and then we just kept contact so everywhere we went and anything else all right and you know um you know i want to save this for now. But I know you said you put Big on the phone. Not on the phone. He heard the conversation. Heard the conversation.

Okay. Is there anything that you thought you could have did? No, I said on the kid, I got real emotional on Kid and Play podcast because I said the only thing that's going to ride with me for the rest of my life is just I wish I could have did something more to just get Pock and Big

together. Right. But everybody tell me like you couldn't have done what wasn't going to be done but it just them was my niggas. Right. You feel what I'm saying? And we came from Port of Rich, and it's still getting murdered.

Like, that part of the game's supposed to have been out. Right. Like, we made it now. Right. Like, no matter what. Hip-hop was built off battles, battles, yeah. Right. But like I said, hip-hop didn't take out Parkin' Big.

It was that media put that heat on it and that sauce on it. Like, it's on East Coast, West Coast, just bidding hip-hop against hip-hop didn't take out Parkin' Big. It was that media put that heat on it and that sauce on it. I guess on East Coast, West Coast, just bidding hip-hop against hip-hop. Even that Vibe magazine cover that you mentioned earlier. All of that. Even if it wasn't blatantly forward to try to, it was supposed to have been more acknowledgement or having your team together. That doesn't look right because it could start something it's phases of what you do as a magazine or a publication you put out stuff and be like

all right is this gonna bring heat or is it more than just the truth is it igniting a fire right you know like east was verse west could have been it could have been worded way different you don't say East versus West right and that was our social media

back then right cause we go to get Black Beat Rap Masters yeah or or

the source rap we go to get the hour magazines right that vibes I was the first Or We go to get the Our magazines I was the first Cover of that Vibe magazine

That's when I became You asked a question The sex symbol Man I went to go These motherfucking bastards Had to brazen anything else I went to go, these motherfucking bastards had the braids and anything else. I went to go change my clothes

and I'm changing to put something else on because we had the dickies and anything else. I had my chain. I wanted to put my chain on for the cover. They said it's a new magazine. I wanted to rep my chain. That's the homies locked down. In the middle of a shot, they said, turn, look at the camera. And I took it with my shirt off.

But I loved them after that i came real sexy after that nigga i wasn't mad at him neither but but let's say let's say pock in 24 24 year old no no 24 with a with a twitter with a twitter yeah no no no no no he would uh uh they would have deleted his account oh they would have turned black pan baby black panther he ran he no like how they suspend kanye's account all the time yeah yeah but his yeah no they would have deliberately you can't even come out with a number two Nobody With anything

I know what he's trying to do He's rounding up the troops Now this is a famous picture You guys got it on the group chat Remember the group chat They put it out there It's a picture with you Pop

And Faith Oh sitting down right I think Is that picture photoshopped? No No Okay No we was in the same We was in the same party

And Oh so that's a party That's not a Yeah A private setting okay No that's a party Okay There's a party in a section, and we were all there.

Pac was like. And you know Faith from Jersey? Yeah. Okay. And like, yo, Pac, I'm going to do a song with a boom, boom, boom. Okay, hold on. Let me stop you, Stretch. Because this is the famous incident.

And I never. Yo, they tried to pay me to do a part of a documentary to talk about this uh-huh and i didn't take it okay but i'll talk to you that's right god damn it so this is at a party because how is always understood what this was a studio session no okay that picture okay never. Never. So, we were there, and Faith wasn't in our area at first, but then she did the Jersey shit to me. Faithhood. Right, yeah, yeah. Tiny.

Oh, she called you Tiny? I respect that. Trigger. Tiny Trigger. Either or. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay respect that. Trigger, tiny trigger. Either or. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay. Yeah.

Yo, trying to do her, I'm trying to do something about, introduce me to Pop. All right. I said, all right, I'll be right back. This me, this fake right on me. Like, nigga, you ain't coming back. Pop, this fake, baby, Pop. Yo Pac, this fake. No, it's fake. This fake. Back then, it was like Polaroids and shit.

The camera dude that was there. So that was like a Polaroid. So that ain't AI. Right. That's fact. I will tell you. Wow. I will tell you.

Holy moly guacamole. So Pac disrespectful ass, whatever he wanted to do right you know right if they was beefing then he got faith number so anything happened after that nigga yeah they said i introduced him yeah i did nigga don't act like i introduced them like yeah i'm trying to get with pine time park like y'all i'm trying to fuck it wasn't like that it was on bow y'all go ahead and buy all right yeah and did you think that that moment would have led to because what they be from prior to that i don't i don't i don't know i'm asking you how to ignorant no it's nigga we know niggas we know the hood we know rich folks we know motherfuckers be all over and anything shit don't really surprise us men is what you certain shit don't surprise nigga if motherfuckers be all over and everything. Shit don't really surprise us no more. Men is men is what you said. Certain shit don't surprise.

Nigga, if motherfuckers right there, even if I said no, Faith, fuck you. She would have still been over there now. No. If I'm the scapegoat, I introduced them. Nigga, they were right next to each other. They were going to introduce each other. All right. Wow.

We had Smith and Wesson on here right that's my guys talk about the time um where they were like like like the only guys i guess besides you that were doing records for pock as pock was bombing on the east coast yeah so i asked them did they ever receive backlash did i'm gonna ask you the same question like you know you're because you never cut off Pac. Like, even when he was saying, fuck everybody on the East Coast, your babies and everyone.

Like, you were still like, all right, cool, I'm riding with Pac. Did you ever receive any backlash from the East Coast? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, you got, no, the East Coast? I mean, definitely the niggas was hot, but I had burro bandits.

Right, right. Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens. I implanted babies, basically, in every burro on purpose. Right, right. Nigga, I'm going to have any problems, any time. This is closest to home. Right. But, nah, it was like anybody that was hot, they knew they better not.

You feel me? It was, I'm Southside, Jamaica, Coimbatore, like niggas is deep, deep, deep, deep. And Jersey. Jersey is not far from New York at all. So we had to really put our pivot on and our swivel heads living out here. And I got canceled from a lot of shit I already know. Movies, everything.

You know, Pac and Suge, they was like, ain't nobody fucking with these two dickers. We gotta put them, because they coming in here to try the ignorant way. Right. They bullying. Right.

Yeah. And you, go ahead. But I ain't give a fuck. I just, I triple and quadruple my hustle game. And they knew what it was. Like, to this day, I support Pac and Big. And none of the bullshit. You know,

my record speaks for itself, but yeah, I got hit like a lot of shit with the ex-wife, with the books and all that bullshit. Like,

women looking at me like, I'm this nigga right here. Like, and then other motherfuckers like, no. So, you got to have a tough skin.

A lot of artists, they be like, what happened? They ain't here no more. They chose not to fucking even fuck with this shit. Say that again for people that don't understand. They chose not to fucking, fucking fuck with this shit. Like, this game is a whole.

It's dirty. Yeah, it's dirty. There's no sanctions. There's no niggas. And then if you die or get murdered, nobody's talking so we're not even going to investigate it. You know

I'm about to ask now. What do you think about this QVD shit? I think it's a testament of what I just said. If you're a rapper, they're not going to investigate it. And, you know, anything that was said, it was said by the perpetrator.

Word. His testimony is his testimony. Can't nobody say nobody said. He's his own witness. And lawyer. Basically, if you're a public defender. but it's on the fact, no, it's whatever went on. The system first knew a lot of this way before. You feel what I'm saying?

All right. For people before and me, I'm just one like there's two families or whatever else on either side of lives or anything that's destroyed. And when anybody dies or the shooter, both lives are gone anyway. And it's niggas against niggas. You see, no matter what goes on in the world, right? All over the world. Look at what? And ain't going to mention none of the bullshit because you say something about one side or the other, you get, you know.

But look at the fucking world. Everybody stands with each other. Their own, their race, set, black and brown. You feel me? The power that we got. We can never, we would get reparations, everything

because we'd be running everything. Because we'd be a unit. When we ain't, we doing the job for them. Okay. So I look at it like that. Like I said, Chug said, you know, they want him to get on a stand. I'm not getting it. We cut from different cloths.

Like, nobody is never going on a stand for shit. Right. But that ain't supposed to stop police doing your motherfucking job. Yeah, it's true. Of finding who the fuck, that's your, they rolling us,

y'all know anything about, yo, motherfucker, we ain't getting paid by the city and if we what, we don't fuck with y'all and we don't know shit. What are you doing?

Right. So, yeah. So to clarify what you were saying, you know, you think that the Las Vegas Police Department and the LAPD probably been- No, they've been. No, I've seen personally documentaries for decades. Yeah, I did too.

I've seen those. You said the documentary. It was not that it came out of nothing. You didn't say documents. You said documentaries. Yes. Yes, I've seen those documentaries. Many.

Yes, you're right. You're correct. Like many, laying down many details of like there's a dude from australia he broke the case down like the fbi i forget what the fucking name his documentary yeah and if you got on tape in vegas in a casino of an altercation between different gang factions it's the number one suspect. Right. Already know. Boom.

Track to track to track. It's on camera for the cops. And then the documentaries come out and say it, and we over there like, duh. Right. Fucking duh. Like, y'all just come,

and then 20 years later, and the fucked up shit is too, like, whatever he might do, son. Nigga, 20 years ago, however he would have got locked up, he'd be out now. And now you going in. So you never coming out. Right. Oof. So it's our people that does it to our people, and our people gets trained by them people.

Yeah. God damn it. And he needs a lawyer right now, they're saying? Public defender. Yeah. That's crazy. Hey. I stopped drinking Hennessy a long time ago. I stopped catching charges

and that guy. I see that light in that white over there. Nigga, you ain't handing me that. You is the Jeff. You is the Jeff. What made you stop drinking Hennessy, though? I stopped catching charges. That's called fight me juice, man. Yeah, it is.

It is a violent juice. It's a violent Like you don't It's no Turn off It's no Like I had to take

Anger management And shit And Damn No for real It taught me son It's like Being upset

You have no control Over that We gonna get upset Over something That pops up Out of nowhere Anger Is where you take it

Zero to a hundred. Pulling up to a motherfucker cut you off. Right. And just to stare at him and all that. And roll raging. Right.

You know what I mean? Boom, a nigga say some shit you don't just laugh it off or act like you ain't hear it. You're just like, what? Right. It's deeper. It's deeper for you.

Being upset, you're going to be, but anger, you can fucking manage. It's you taking it to the next level. Right. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it's like, man, the streets got to know

we is us, and like, we our worst enemy. We be like this, we don't be looking for no Asians, no white folk, nobody, no, we be like looking for niggars. Right. Not cougars or jaguars.

Niggars. But something I seen the other night was all of y'all was hanging out together. Young MC, tone low. How come with the elder statesman, it's like it's a super respect towards each other? We had a different respect. I think we fucked it up. Look, the youth don't listen to nobody. It's not just you, boom, boom.

My kids, we look at them now. I'm going to let you know we fucked it up for everything. When they told parents it is illegal for your child, not abuse, but whipping their fucking asses. It fucked the world up. Oh, it fucked fuck everything up these little bastards don't respect shit they ain't scared of nothing what you gonna do i call the cops on you no i'll drop you off at the fire department with one bag nigger adoption you adopted today i can't leave you on the corner You gonna Defy the partner Motherfucker Nah

But yeah When you Outlaw They don't They don't They feel like They are untouchable Right

Nigga we used to get whipped From our motherfucking Babysitter Teacher Motherfucking nigga on And then call your mom What he do Oh shit

Save me some I'm coming home. Nigga, you got like four ass whippings in one. Nigga, we wasn't fucking around like that. My grandfather used to make me get the switch.

Yeah, down south. My mother took us to Cumberland, Virginia. Nigga, I'm talking about Cumberland, Virginia. Those are different switches. Those are different switches, yeah. Nigga, you gotta go

and if it break when she tap the motherfucking leg, motherfucker that, motherfucker, you gotta go, and if it break when she tap the motherfucking, her motherfucking leg, motherfucker that motherfucker, you gotta get another one, or she gonna get one. Nigga. What? Man, we ain't show out at all. My grandmother was four foot nine,

nigga, with eight, eight of us down there, all cousins in our house down south. Nigga, we ain't show out at all. Outlaw ass whippings. What's the most thing you miss about Pop? Probably like his drive. Everybody think he was this serious dude.

How we talking here, he'll be here right now like clowning the whole time he would he you know i mean he'll say at certain points but he'll be cracking up and all that um just um how far he could have took he would have been probably the first hip-hop president that's's what I miss the most. His shine. I would have voted for him. Nigga. Nigga.

All his fans. And he had white fans, black fans. He never separate them. He spoke the truth. This is a white man's world, but he spoke the truth and all and showed like all generations

of people getting together. So I would have seen him like really. And I always say like, Suge would have been the first hip hop billionaire than Dre did because Suge, you know,

took his route. But Big and Pac would have been all of us because it was Open J and all of us. But Pac and Big would have been,

they was on a different level. Hypothetically, hypothetical question. Had Pac and Big lived, you think they would've eventually squashed it? They would've had to squash it. I believe so, too.

They would've. In my heart, I believe that. Listen. In my heart, I believe this. No, no. I believe this. They would've had to squash it because,

niggas, it's bags over bullshit. Right. And they would've did a something joint. They would've had to because everybody else would've been like, I would've been like, yo, nigga, I already talked to Big.

Nigga, come on. Right, right. Get your business, do something, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This shit been over. It would've been over. If they, man, that shit would've been over because they wasn't, like I said,

Defro wasn't after that boy. Right. At all. They wasn't lining up all the homies outside of every show they go to and they was like nigga we gonna make you hit records nigga this shit is press you ain't gotta pay for all right but just the the east west shit brought the street element into it like now it's like, motherfuckers, they ain't rappers. They're not liking certain rappers. At one point, like, even Pac

went at Nas, right? And they had a little turmoil. But you and Nas had a great relationship at that time. Did that change

your relationship with Nas? Okay. No. No. It was like, after Hit Em Up came up,

I had a 500E and I was in my... That Em Up came up, I had a 500E. And I was in my... That's the Benz, y'all. Yeah, 500E. You know. And I was letting them know, nigga, I'm on the live park. But it started getting heated after that. Like, you know, like, he's knobbed, knobbed, mobbed.

It was at the radio station. Then it wasn't taped beforehand. Then I asked Nas. That's my nigga. Radio station or this is the Central Park? Radio station. Okay, okay, okay. Continue.

So I hear Nas on the air, you know, like, they talking the topics. He's like, yeah, man, this shit is bullshit and we all peace, boom. I came from Jersey. And the homie in the fire in the E. And then when I seen Nas and him come out, I'm like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like, what's up, Nas? He's like And then when the scene Nas and them come out, I'm like, what's up, Nasid? All right.

Like, Trash, what's good? I'm like, yo, hand niggas, yo, I'm right with y'all to the highway because niggas know y'all at the station. All right.

Put that tech nine out. I'm like, y'all need, nigga, I'm following y'all to the road. All right. Nigga, love y'all and Flavor Flav was with him. Wow.

Flavor Flav was with? With Nas. I feel like Flavor Flav That is crazy. Flavor Flav was with him. Wow. Flavor Flav was with? With Nas. I feel like Flavor Flav was biting the shit out of somebody. Flav was, no, Flav came to me, Trest, what's up, boy? Like, yeah, like, oh, shit, you got, all right, we going right over here. He's like, Nas, too, you're big, Nas.

Yo, like, hip-hop, we were different, a breed of brotherhood. Yeah, it's true. We'd be on tours, ain't never known each other and seen each other. And hip hop just was a different one. Country artists like that. I'm in my room, hip hop artists. We was looking at shows like, nigga, these niggas rocking.

We got to step our shit up. You know what I mean? Learning. But we was there and go to parties together. Like MTV Raps, all that spring break shit. That brought so many niggas together and boom. We used to just be out of town going. And every time we on tour, we go to the after parties together.

All the hip hop niggas. Facts. How can I be down? Impact, Gavin Convisions. Say it again, nigga. You ain't new to this. Yeah, yeah. New York music seminars.

My Paul, we got mad pictures of you. How can I be down? Yes. Because we got drops from you and you guys. Yes. Yo, every convention. I mean, you know what the crazy shit is? What we should have implicated then was the generational gap.

Because me personally... It wasn't one. It wasn't one then, but now it is now. I mean, we couldn't address it then. We weren't psychic. Nah, it did happen. No, no, look.

All of us, nigga, our era, 90s, nigga, we see any of our artists, 80s, 70s, yo, it's like this. Like, it was... it wasn't even like nah nigga them niggas

they had they time like nigga it was like nigga Melly Mouth nigga Houdini Fab nigga what the

MC Light god damn I think you were the last of that era that did that yeah I mean hip hop let's be honest

be honest no I'm agreeing with you I'm agreeing with you. I'm agreeing with you. You were the last of that era. No, the 90s was. No,

you giving the 90s is big. We had a whole decade. The 90s until 2000. I believe Us and Mobb Deep came after that too. You came after that. We still have respect, but the last full respect

was his generation. Which taught us. With the full respect. Which taught us. Yeah, our last album was 1999. Right, yeah respect, which taught us. With the full respect. Which taught us. Yeah, our last album was 1989. Right, yeah. So it taught us.

And then the era when you guys came up. It kind of was mixed. It was the last album for the 90s. Put it like that. Right. Right. But that's what the disconnect started. Because I feel like this is when hip hop is making real money.

That sounds right. The music of hip hop, the rappers in hip hop. So now there's a disconnect between the culture and the music. And then the rappers are not paying homage anymore like they used to to the OGs. And then that's a disconnect.

And then the generation that's coming right after that doesn't have that same information. But it came right from what we're saying when they outlaw ass-women and you respect and you respect that your elders it's no more

no no you can you can never do it again but it should never been your kids up until a certain age like when them motherfuckers is back

they know you could just say what the fuck and they shit on themselves. You know what I mean? They go outside go outside and say yes sir you ain't turning

your fucking home with your teeth. She gonna whip your ass tomorrow, and then I'm gonna whip your ass. Yo, you was like, Nick. In line. Now they like, yo, if you touch me, I'm calling the cops, ma. Are they more

gangster than that? I told you. I told, well, you know what? Pack your motherfucking one bag, nigga, because you going to the fire department. I ain't got no adoption time, nothing. Dropping your ass off the night, little motherfucking bastard. Did you hang out with two fucking big guys at the same time?

Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. Pop introduced me to Biggie. Oh. Wow. I would have thought there would have been the other way around. I mean, look what he met him.

He said what he met him. So that's prior to Big. Pac introduced me to Biggie. I tell niggas all the time. For partying bullshit? He met Pac. No, partying bullshit was out. It was out.

Okay, all right, cool. Pac was in New York all the time by, you know, juice and anything else. But he stayed, him and Pac, Biggie was in the studio and all this shit. Nigga, we was in different times, but I was hot as fish grease. So I'm on the tours and there you go, man. When I come in, then me, I'm in motherfucking what? One More Chance video?

All right. Biggie and nigga, nigga, when I say Pac was my brother when he introduced me to Big, Big became my brother. So that's why niggas don't understand why you ain't never get that big, you know? I said, nigga, y'all don't understand. Nigga, them was my niggas. And when your brothers is beefing too, it's like you basically a stalemate, but you like, you like this don't need the one you niggas hit me. Neither one of you motherfuckers, y'all niggas better not hit me. I'm telling you that. Y'all

motherfuckers better go ahead with that bullshit. I'm right here, y'all better not swing. Don't swing. So I'm like, and then, you know. Them was my niggas, man. Nah. For real. Nah, that's real. But I got heat in Brooklyn and shit. Yeah. But I had real live Brooklyn niggas, man.

Let me tell you. Like, EFN can't go to Brooklyn right now. Yes, he can. Why? He defended Ice Cube over Biggie Smalls. I didn't defend him over Biggie. Why you put that back out there? People forgot about that.

He asked me who my favorite artist was. What the fuck is he doing to my nigga? Hold on. Brooklyn, Brooklyn, Brooklyn. Let's listen. Translation, yo. That was motherfucking fake news out there, motherfucker. That shit bit off.

I love it. But he asked me who my favorite artist was in his ice cream. No, no. You got to say yo. Hey, everybody got. I'll let you he asked me Who my favorite artist was And it's Ice Cream No no You gotta say Hey Everybody got I'll letter you To tell me who

Don't tell me I'm your favorite nigga And you out this Motherfucking trash Me in the back Like nigga Nigga I love to hear Who your favorite

Right That's why I love The other day I believe it was y'all Nice and smooth Where the fuck Was y'all at Where

This wasn't This wasn't... This wasn't... In the summer? The Rock the Bells? Yeah, that's where it was? Probably Rock the Bells. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.

In Queens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, no. We was out with Locke. Locke. Yeah. Why you say it like that? No, I was playing around.

Yeah. They're trying to do the Rock the Bells cruise. I'm not in the cruises. You in the cruises? Hell yeah. You in the cruises? Yeah yeah. You in the cruises? Yeah. But you can smoke on the cruise?

I mean, if you don't tell nobody. Yeah, because I feel like... Up top, you go up that mountain... What are you going to do? Throw you off the boat? I feel like I smoke too much to be on a cruise. Like, I feel like... Like, like...

I feel like even the guy that I tipped... Hold on, hold on. You won't tell on me. Let me tell you something. You go into this spot, right? Uh-huh. It's literally... Your cabin is like here.

Oh, you got a balcony, you good. All of them have balconies. Right, yeah, you good. You go on your balcony, they get everybody. You look at everybody, balcony next to you. Oh, man. And you're international waters. Okay.

What, you go, throw it out there. They got to go get that shit, man. Find the evidence. You been on a top Jordan one? Yeah. You been on a top-joiner one? Yeah. You been on a top-joiner one? I've been on a lot. Hip-hop one.

Okay. Okay. Yeah, nigga. Yeah, I've been turning them down for years. I just don't go out on hurricane season. That's all we do. I don't go out here on hurricane season. That's the best time to go out.

Check it out. If they get you out on the Atlantic Ocean doing that, you are nuts. Now, did you live in L.A. for a while? I've been out there so long for, like, film projects. And so back then it was like two or three months for a movie. Wow. You know. Wow.

So, and you're just there. And then when you're not and you're single and you're like, and the homies is out and you got fans. then when you not and you single and you like and the homies is out and you got fans boom boom boom Booyah Tribe and all of them

barbecue rest in peace Godfather you feel what I'm saying Gangsta Red yeah so like you going out

and it's like always events so I was staying out there I'd be like damn I've been out this motherfucker for months. Like to me, as an outsider looking in, it seemed like L.A. embraced New York back then. New York embraced L.A. back then.

Was the separation, when did the separation like kind of like, you know what I mean? It's not even a separation now. Okay. It's back to, you saying? Yeah. Okay. Let me tell you something separation now. Okay. It's back to, you say it? Yeah. Okay. Let me tell you something. L.A.

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Niggas is robbing L.A. niggas. What? As well. Nigga, anybody that comes out that's looking like they dripping and not secure, right, is fool. Yeah. It's gang culture. It's boom. It's, you know what I mean.

Rock him said it best. It ain't where you from, where you at. Go to Brooklyn and you slipping. Go anywhere on the fucking, come to Miami and play around if you fucking want. Yeah. And they ain't check in. You feel what I'm saying? It's everywhere.

East coast, west coast, niggas. It always is what it was. Yes. Yo. Promise you. Go out to LA and turn on KJLH and other stations and stuff, nigga. They pay pop smoke more out there than here.

Wow. Yeah. Like, you feel what I'm saying honestly and a a gang of just east coast west coast artists together right cali radio right niggas ain't if you coming up and you like that but man they ain't even if you they ain't set tripping they They looking for a lick or something. They like, ah, you in the foreign and you got $100,000 worth of jewels on and you just out there. You fooled. And that's in any hood. It ain't no, I can tell you.

Niggas ain't like, fuck them East Coast niggas. And niggas ain't, nigga, if you slipping and looking too out of pocket, you can get got. All right. But other than that, niggas ain't like, where you from? L.A., they asking L.A. niggas where they from. They can tell you ain't from L.A. All right. But you, yeah.

We had a special ad on here, right? Mm. A special ad says something. He said that in WRA. He clarified it, though, recently. Yeah. Did you see that? I saw it. You saw it? Yeah, he said that was the beginning

of the destruction. Did you agree with that statement? Or how did you feel about it? I love Special Ed. Me and Ice-T did a song called I Got a Gauge. I Got a Rifle. I Got a Rifle. So you're going to get published in special ed because we did sit over.

But the destruction, nah, you got to understand the greatest thing about hip hop is the diversity. First, it was just New York and then when you just heard LA, Midwjords and down south and yo the flavor of it was so phenomenal of it was like hip hop is not it's for us then you heard Latin hip hop and da da da. It's international

yo it's like you'd be like yo yeah. So let me ask you cause this is like an east Coast hater right here. Who? Yo, you foul. You just got my name wrong. He's a New York hater.

No, he's not a New York hater. He went from a whole coast to one fucking state. This is terrible. He might know that. That's it. Okay, not the East Coast. We used to New York.

Just a New York. Says the guy that looks like my co-host and we started this together. By the way, let me just, listen. By the East Coast. We said New York. Just the New York. Says the guy that, look who's my co-host and who we started this together. By the way, let me just, listen. By the way, there's a lot of people who feels like him. When New York, when everyone was running it, right? Jersey feels exactly what you're about to say.

No, no, no, Jersey was with us. No, they felt the same way. They felt the same way. What the fuck we wasn't. What you're about to say. What the fuck we wasn't. Make sure you articulate it correctly. What the fuck we wasn't. Articulate it correctly.? What the fuck we wasn't. Make sure you articulate it correctly. What the fuck we wasn't.

Articulate it correctly. Hey, we wasn't with y'all motherfuckers. I'm talking about New York. I'm talking about this area. Yeah, nigga. At one point, you were there, brother. You were there. All right, whatever.

We snuck in. Nigga, we ain't had no front door access. The East Coast ran shit, right? If your record was number one on 97, your record was number one in the world. We're on the East Coast. Let's just say new york metropolitan new york the industry was there but that's what we're talking about the industry was in new york yeah but listen at one point we ran it it was like if he was number one in new york he was number one across the world it hasn't been like that for years. Do you think it's because

when New York was at top, when New York, New Jersey was on top? Don't, don't, don't. You know, Jersey and New York. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me tell y'all something. They say he's from New York.

No, no. Can I get an actual fact In right now Jersey Is motherfucking Don't have No motherfucking team Every team in Jersey

Is New York New York Giants New York Jazz Nigga the Nets Was over there They took the motherfuckers

To Brooklyn You fucking Jackers What are you talking about We feel the same fucking way Jersey Keep getting jacked by, we are the oppressed. Do you understand what I'm saying? What the fuck is you talking about?

We with y'all. Listen, y'all with us. When we first came on stage in New York before we was naughty, nigga, we said, listen, we going, don't tell them we from Jersey. Then come on stage. Jersey in a boom. No, facts, facts. No, learned the fucking lesson.

Went on after that in New York shit and rocked them. Tore the shit up and then afterwards said, Jersey, motherfucker. But you made it uptown after, though. I had a lot of baby mamas uptown, nigga. I ain't got no fucking problem. No. No, but...

You got to say it correctly. You got to say it correctly. In all honesty, when the East Coast was running shit, when the East Coast had it, I feel like people like EFN feels like... Not EFN. Not EFN, but people...

I'm dead serious. Let me be serious for a second. I feel like people like EFN... There's a lot of people. There's people who come on here like, yo, when, not EFN, but people, I'm dead serious. Let me be serious for a second. I feel like people like EFN. There's a lot of people. There's people who come on here like, you know, when the East Coast had it. They didn't like it. They didn't like it. They didn't like our arrogance.

No, you're wrong, man. The way you explain this is completely wrong. Okay, so you explain how I should be explaining it. No, I'm saying the way you explain it is not the way I articulate what I'm saying. That's how I articulate it. Look, look, look. So how are you going to tell me how I articulate it? Because you're trying to explode my point of view. No, I'm just saying you're a hater articulate it. Look, look, look. How you gonna tell me how I articulate it? Because you're trying

to explode my point of view. No, I'm just saying you're a hater. Y'all got some haters. Translations. We lost it. We lost it. Y'all got it now.

You didn't listen. No, translations. Translations. Before, like, in the 90s, anywhere you went outside of New York, you would hear,

you would hear Chicago music mixed with the hottest shit in New York. Right. L.A. music, mostly L.A., mixed with down south. Right. I can tell you got called that a couple times. Boom, boom, boom. Up here, once New York radio started playing all south shit and boom, everything else, it took the whole New York market out of the whole mix.

Right. Everything. That's my point. Because they was playing more of outside music. Everywhere I go, like I said, even Cali. Cali, you'll go hear

Cali artists right now. You never heard before, but it's mixed in with East Coast shit as well. Right. They playing more Cali stuff. Down South Georgia, you hear more

the South shit mixed in. You go up to New York, they playing all fucking South shit and motherfucking shit. And a minute number of New York artists or East Coast regional artists. So that's the problem. But what he's saying that I've tried to always say. He's saying you motherfucking did it. What I said is that in, let's just say when hip hop is starting to take the industry by storm, the industry, the music industry of hip hop is centralized in New York. So they were, in a sense, the gatekeepers and the people that worked there were New York centric.

So if it wasn't sounding or looking like New York, they didn't sign it and they didn't put it out. They didn't market it. And that's what was happening. Translation. Agree. Yeah. You agree with me? Translation. Agreed. Yeah. You're agreeing with me? Translation.

Which included Jersey. Yes, that's what I'm saying. You were with us. No, no, no, no. Come on. You guys excluded Jersey. Hell no. No, this was with us.

Redman was with us. With his nose. It took him a lot of work. He was right. And Redman had to have a New York clique. Yeah. Def Jam. Def Squad. Every Jersey person said the same thing

But you was correct as far as Motherfuckers was like Oh New York ain't hitting like that no more And our reason We gonna play the majority I should install them out Alright Because I remember at one time

I used to go to Minnesota and all I heard was New York. Like I would go I would go to places anywhere. And we looked up the whole hip hop Let me just tell you something.

Fanship looked up to y'all. All the things that you was hearing and shit in New York all them artists came out came and they shit wasn't playing New York they getting into stations in they hometown

playing that New York shit again. At one point it was a cheat code anywhere I went I could just say it's Brooklyn in the house and they hometown Playing that New York shit again At one point it was a cheat code Anywhere I went I could just say It's Brooklyn in the house And the whole people would go crazy They don't play that shit in New York That was what was corny

What they What Hammer put on the beginning of shit You ain't hitting in New York Hammer Oh yeah I do remember that Come on nigga They got He was lit all over the world

Yo nigga He was all over the world Yeah Fuck New York He was saying fuck fucking... He was lit all over the world. Yo, nigga, him. Yeah, yeah. He was all over the world. Yeah, fuck New York. He was saying, fuck New York. He was. Yeah. I didn't. Damn, I didn't realize that was a diss.

Oh, Hammer, shit on us. You ain't hitting in New York, Hammer. Oh, I never really... But he was getting shit on left and right. Yeah, he deserved it. Yo, Hammer, we need you on Drink Chats, man. Nah, I'm fucking around, yeah. I'm going to go take a piss.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, holy shit. Waterbill break. you on Drink Jazz, man. No, I'm fucking around, yeah. I'm going to go take a piss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, holy shit. Waterbill break. Yeah. Holy shit, man. Yeah, fact. So is Naughty going to do another album? I mean, not in the near future, but I'll never say never to nothing.

But it's like now, I wanted to do albums consecutively every year no matter what right but at our hottest like we were on the road for like two years so it was like it wasn't like a road studio and all that you know so i understood but after the fact it's like yo i'm you know you can't just say that you should just say you was on the road for two years. Yeah, when we came out, we was doing two and three shows a night. I mean, we did the Apollo Theater three times in one day. A 7 o'clock show, a 9 o'clock show, and an 11 o'clock show. And we thought the balconies was going to bust out. OPP, jump, jump, jump.

Them motherfuckers was jumping. It felt like an earthquake. I know it came on a Richter scale. What? Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. Facts. God damn it, man. Yeah. Movies. Movies.

Acting. Modeling. I modeled for Tommy Hill figure for years. Really? Yeah. Tommy Hill? Yeah. Andy. Love you, Tommy and Andy. They signed off on big bags for me. I love them.

Wow. Aaliyah. We was modeling Kate Moss. Right. All of us. Damn. And you knew all these motherfuckers. Hell yeah.

God damn it. Hell yeah. Motherfucking superstar. Motherfucking. Trans motherfucking L motherfucking lation man yeah damn so we spoke about let me

let me let me do a little twist to that same question I asked you earlier what are some some things that you miss about Jam Master Jay

Jam Master Jay is is just y'all understand when DJing came to the forefront as far, or really with the thanks of Run DMC

cause like, and the era cause artists used to make records about DJs this my DJ like Jam Master Jay was cutting, then when you see him live and he really was cutting yo, it was crazy i missed

that element of him because he was producing and doing and and but we'll talk about crazy shit cool yeah mr jay yeah yeah like you know running running go over here d go over here jay was with the niggas right like jay is Jay is staying, he's smoking weed. He's smoking weed, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? He's smoking A-fam. So, we used to talk about

aliens, do we think? Like, it's funny because we was talking about Chupacabra. Yeah, Chupacabra. Like, do we believe, like, aliens? Yeah, I believe in Chupacabra.

I don't believe in aliens, but Chupacabra. No, I believe in aliens, too. Chupacabra is an alien. I believe in aliens, too. So, we had the conversation. Jay used to, I used to love

Cause he thought Like I thought I mean He was like Tell him that shit again I'm like yo Y'all think out of the whole Universe and galaxies

We this planet Right here All these billions of planets Ain't no motherfuckers smart Or talking to each other like us Or have Can go to a planet Near them or something Or way advanced than us or have can go to a planet near them or something

or way advancing us we on our dicks that much out of the whole universe of planets in the galaxies we the only one and I said he said so where you think they from Tres I said I think a lot of them

is already here they underwater so deep they just fly up before they coming out of the volcano. Like, they in the planet. They not coming out of the planet. And they way more...

Puerto Rico got a lot of sightings coming out. So, no, but you'll be like, yo, Tres, you a GM master? Yo, we used to be talking about other shit. We had good weed, nigga.

We was like... You playing it out the way you do it. The hash. Yo, man Yo The weed Oh I smoked it We started talking about Splendid

Motherfucking All planets And you Aliens now They be thinking You talking about immigrants Nigga You talking about

No nigga We just had that hash We talking about planets And extraterrestrial Right E.T. nigga Alright So let me flip that question

On you one more time. Yes. What is something you miss about Big Pun? Big Pun, yo, this nigga, just how he raised

the fucking bar on lyrics. All right. Like, this nigga was saying something and the nigga was so fucking big he nigga he he mastered breathing in between his lyrics where once he put his ad-libs and stuff you can't hear it but he couldn't even sit in a chair he was dialectic too yeah he'll fall asleep

like right and then he would like lay his lyrics on the couch. He'd come right back in, and you, and what he putting on, you like, what the fuck? This nigga is amazing. That in the middle

of Little Italy, Little Italy, know that we would've some little men who didn't do diddly. I'm like, nigga, I'm writing the nights. Nigga, this nigga here got nigga, I'm writing the nights. Nigga,

this nigga here got me. I got to get better. This nigga. The lyrics, and then he harmonized. The thing with hip-hop, you never had to be no singer. And Uncle Rest in Peace, Uncle Biz shows you that you...

Yeah, he killed that. And then ODB. Eric Sermons would do it too sometimes. Yeah, any of us. And then God with us. And then ODB. Eric Sermons would do it too sometimes. Yeah, any of us. I can't hold a note for ransom. Well, I think it came from TJ Swann. We talking about. We're not talking about TJ Swann.

I saw it. It was from TJ Swann. I think that actually he was the first one. He was the first T-Pain. Yeah. No. He didn't add no order to it. That was no order. That's real. Yes, it is. That is real. He was not no T-Pain. Yeah. No. He didn't have no order soon. Yo, that was no order.

That's real. Yes, it is. That is real. He was not no T-Pain, nigga. That was no order. Damn, my bad. I didn't mean it like that. And T-Pain can sing in real life.

I meant it like, you know, on all the hooks. It's true. It's true. T-Pain can't sing. I meant it on all the hooks. Let me ask you this, though. He caught that. He's like, no, no, no, T-Pain.

He's not an L.A. Okay. Tupac, loyal to to the Game featuring you. What's that, Above the Rim soundtrack? Yeah. How did that record come about? Just in the studio, high. I feel like this is a unique studio for some reason.

No, the funny thing is, me and Pac, we got records all over the country. Where they at and who owns them now, have them like the studios we used to go and just get in motherfucking studio. It wasn't like you get a hard drive back then and you exchange numbers. And then, but if niggas numbers change, we did a million songs, but that deadly,

deadly thing is like the, uh, you know how you record now And somebody could be in Miami I could say Yo jump on it You had to be in the studio Yeah

I say it all the time Analog That's why Analog The thing is You writing your shit While you hearing other niggas Write they shit

Right And you And the energy Yo That energy there So it was basically Just a record Niggas get on there And just try to You, and the energy, yo, that energy there. So it was basically just a record, niggas get on there and just try to out round the next nigga, nigga, like, and. But this is you and Pac, though.

Yeah. But we, we like this. He looking at, yo, I go over to him, motherfucker, I look at his fat. Like, I ain't going to know how he flowing. Yeah, yeah. Like. Yeah. I'm right

I can let a motherfucker see my fat No we all can You can't read my shit My shit is in like hieroglyphics and shit Now you know what's scary Only person that read my fucking shit Read my writing Kanye West

He read my shit perfect I had a rhyme in my thing and we was at Carbone. You read it fast? He hypnotized you first? No, I had a whole rhyme written out. I can show you my rhymes. You ain't going to know how to say it. Kanye knew how to say it?

Kanye read my shit. I was like, oh, get my phone. I was like, oh shit. You just hacked my mind and shit. He hypnotized you. I swear to God. He's ill, man. I swear to my mind and shit. He hypnotized me. I swear to God. He's very smart. He's an emote.

That's some intelligent shit. Let's go to real niggas with Redman, Jamal, and Scarface. Was y'all in the studio together? Had to be. It was no flying this verse into. It was no machines like that. So everywhere we would go, it would be straight from, whether we doing a show usually. Right.

And it would be before we do the show, because after that shit, we at the party, fucking with the bitches. Mm-hmm. So we do, and then, well, really, a lot of times, we'd be like, we going to the studio afterwards. Right. It ain't no parties or nothing, because you bring the party to the studio all right yeah so yeah hold on let me let me ask you a mixtape dj1 do you remember doing and maybe i'm wrong by a year but the doo-wop 95 live mixtape the freestyle you did for that no i don't even remember that you don't remember it no oh my god man your verse on that is bananas i don't remember well we. You don't remember it? No. Oh, my God, man. Your verse on that is bananas.

I don't remember. Well, we're going to have to play it on here. We'll play it. Yeah. Damian Marley featuring you and Bounty Killer. Yeah. How did that record come about? Nigga, we was in Jamaica, in Kingston.

That's what I wanted to know. Did it actually? We went to Tough Gong Studio. The label is, the record label is the studio. The actual... Was the incense burning? No.

Incense? If that's what you call it nowadays, you fucking youngsters, yo, they had us in a mansion. Drag on. We was doing a show out there. While we was in there, they had the studio.

It was Ziggy, all of them. They had us in a straight gated with the gunman outside of it. They took us to the studio. We were in the studio. It was straight. It's different in Jamaica. Garbage bags, hefties. Straight.

It's like this brown weed on a stick. You're like, this doodle? Oh, they had brown weed back then. Garbage bags. Okay. Yards don't pass blunts to each other.

Right. Everybody got their own spliffing thing. Yeah, yeah. You feel me? Everybody, so, motherfucker bag, we just rolling this shit, this brown ass shit, like, smoke that motherfucking shit, nigga. They turned on the beat. All right. It was over.

All right. Done. That's it. That part. What do you need? If right now, I said, you could work with one producer.

So I want you to pick one producer, and then I want you to pick three things that you need to go in the studio and make a record right now. Who's that one producer? Right now, it would probably be Dre. You ever did a joint with Dre? Nah.

Oh, no. Double up, ma. Back up in this B.I.'s baby. With two new caddies and a new grandbaby. Won't do a solo album Less than fucking with Shade Day Ah

Yeah I'll fuck around with So you'll fuck around with Dre That'd be your That'd be my go to Go to Okay Now

Cause he Yeah Cause then I know I could really infiltrate And get a song with Eminem too That's my light skin twin Jesus Joseph I'm losing my focus. Hocus pocus, hold it. I bought two guns and roses from Moses. Follow me like Gandhi, Ahmadi Gandhi, army,

army with harmony. Mommy got you, Manji Ganji. I'm me, I'm them, I'm that, that's them, and that's that. No wins, no wins, no blam, man. It's just a black blast. I rage rookie. Pussy clock, no nookie. We all ball. I'm from Jersey. Fuck Snooki. We rock clock with Ross Klosky. Got black blast. I raise rookie. Pussy clock. No nookie. We all ball. I'm from Jersey. Fuck Snooki. We rock clock. We rise class. We got that south side.

Put bombs on boomerangs and take out the rumor gang. Lost that seat. Epic, satanic, sorrow. Small world, but we'll be gigantic. You ain't hard enough to hit win. Knock down breath. Fight through rain. Here's the perfect pack of scaring rappers with my name.

And if you can't say hello at the same show, then don't sit your R&B ass in the same row, ho. Like Dre do some shit on it. I know. We'll go play. So you and Em have never worked? Nah. And it's crazy, because Em has that Jersey connection through the Outsiders that helped

usher him in as well. Wait, hold on. We're going to skip over this. You just said, fuck Snooki? Nah, it's just because I was mad at Snooki Cause she was on Jersey Shore She's not from Jersey But that wasn't why

I wasn't mad at her They asked her one time They said Oh so the Nets are no longer In New Jersey If Jersey had another team What would you call them

She said the losers You ain't from Jersey You can't say shit about so you know that was just a you know i'm sorry yeah i respect it it was a yeah yeah fucker yeah she better come down pit and avenue yeah yeah yo tretch i'll just tell you man our show was about giving people flowers, man. You're an icon. Da-da-da. Yes. Breaking news. Real nigga alert, nigga. I got my flower. That's right, that's right. Yo, bro, I just wanted to tell you face-to-face,

man-to-man, how dope you are, how dope your legacy is, how dope your group legacy is, how tremendous you can transition and do movies and all this crazy shit that you've been a part of and all this. Man, we want to just tell you as a man, we respect you. Respect. You know what I mean?

Thanks, man. We honor you. We honor you, and we wanted to give you your flowers, man, because that's what this is about. It takes nothing away from us to tell you how great you are. You're one of the greatest. Because you are one of the greats. You are an icon You're a motherfucking Titanic

You're a motherfucking You know all that shit So you know I was As soon as I seen you I was like yo man Like you know I want people to know

I asked you You know what I'm saying I was like yo bro I think it's time you To come back to the show Because you know It's time And you know

As the show got big It's getting bigger And bigger and bigger It's getting bigger Yeah yeah I seen I just wanna Yeah yeah it's one of the biggest guys well we but we want to give it to people that deserve it man and you deserve it man i'm so proud of you i'm so you know the continued success like i said man uh one of the one of the

best uh things of the night was You know I got to see you Perform before I got to see you You know tear it down But me seeing Khaled Like he went to A little kid mode

Like I I've never seen Khaled Like this Pull up It's a picture Pull up When KG had the house In West Orange

And we had Naughty by Nature At the pool I had the summer parties Wow Nas AZ Khaled. Wow. A gang had a picture together.

Right. And Khaled was there. Right. He was looking at the mansion. He was like, and looking, he said, I'm going to get here. Right. I'm saying, I looked at him like, I know you is. Yeah.

I know that shit in your. That's seeing your wife. He was like this. No, but to see him go back into fan mode like that the other day. Nah. Because he didn't know I was watching him. Like, he literally said hi. We was both. And then I said hi to him.

I said, I was tired of this. And then, you know, I had on the Monaco LV jacket that, you know, you got to go to Monaco to get that. You know what I mean? Oh, this nigga so green you know You gotta go to Monaco To get that You know what I mean Oh hey this nigga So you know what I mean He's so bragging Don't just write that

Look at Monaco So then I believe Young MC got off When Young MC got off I was like You know bust the move I was sitting there

Like still open And I'm looking at Khaled Cause I guess Jamie must have told him Jamie Lefrak Must have told him Like Tretch is closing it So Khaled's just sitting there Like a real told him, Jamie Lefrak must have told him, like, Tretch is closing it. So Khaled's just sitting there like a real

fan. He's just like, yo. He didn't, nothing that, like, you could have threw popcorn in his face. He wouldn't have moved. Like, he just stood there, and he was just zoning in. He was just watching you. And I'm watching him. And to me, that's what

passion is. You know what I'm saying? Like, all these accolades. But I'm looking at Tone Loke, Rob Bass, Young MC. I'm like this. Me too. That's how I was. I'm up over here. Word.

And Rob Bass is one of the best records of all time, too. What, Rob Bass? Rob Bass. Rest in peace, Easy Rock. You know what's so dope? To see him perform. Because, you know, it's joy. Hold up, hold up. And pain.

And sunshine. And rain. And love. So you waiting for that? You waiting for it? It takes two, but then you realize. And it's 15, 20 minutes where you ain't even hearing them songs. Nope, none of them.

And them motherfuckers rocking the crowd. Rocking the crowd, bro. Yeah. It's a difference. Like, yo, straight up, all tone low. Wow, they. Word. Bring the white girls on stage.

Yeah. Yo. Word. I ain't gonna lie. Yo, we was over here. Yo, we was shaking these asses here. Like, we was over here Yo we was shaking These other hands Like we was up here I was like

Oh shit This is how you know It was ill Cause we talking But in between talks We like Yeah My father

He called Medina And then he's going back To each other What we right on Like nigga We watching this shit Yeah man So man

I just wanna say man, man, I want to thank hip-hop, man. I want to thank hip-hop for, you know, saving all of our lives in this room, you know what I'm saying? And being a part of our lives in this room. And, you know, for you to notice, this is a group called The All. And they all came out. They all

made sure. Yeah, they never, they came out just for you. That's some beautiful energy. Yes, yes. Boy, they're all like, bro. Yeah, they never, they came out just for you. That's a beautiful energy. Yes, yes. Boy, they're all like, bro. Yeah. That's like, mm.

Because you a legend, man. You a icon, and you truly is a person that, you know what I mean, has to be saluted, man, day in and day out, man. And for people that don't know, Tretch is a real one, man.

I swear to God, man. I come on time, god damn it. You do. You do. You better kiss me real one, man. I swear to God, man. I come on time, God damn it. You do. You do. You better kiss me. I told him. I told him.

I told him. You know why? You know why? It's the Hennessy Tretch I was thinking of. He was thinking translation. But you know what? Rest in peace, Taheem.

You was a part of Taheem's movie. You, Ice-T, and- Equal Standards. Yeah. Tell us about that. How did that- Yeah, man. Rest in peace to the God. Rest in peace, Taheem's movie um you iced tea and um equal standards yeah tell us tell us about that how did that man rest in peace to the rest in peace like qb like he was a genius like um he was gonna do south side the series like when i first met him he was so charismatic he had just did a bit and everything else and he just told me his ideas on what he was doing and you know i'm sitting back i'm like

let me get a email give me don't give me the whole script do you got it patented he's like i said the first thing you do before you send it to anybody boom boom boom boom we're giving it to him email it to yourself it's a record you had it da da da

the whole script back that's poor man's copyright so from that and when I we said email it to yourself yeah or mail it to yourself

as a poor man's copyright you got it if it's postmarked if y'all get an idea of something email it to the other yeah y'all shit before it used to be you mail it, if y'all get an idea of something, email it to the other home. Yeah. Y'all shit.

Before it used to be, you mail it in the mail. It's going to be a date on that email of the actual paper. Yeah. Because before you file off a legal copyright, that's legal there in court. It proves that you had that date. Motherfucker, them niggas stole that shit from us. You know? Pay me.

So, yeah. So, we just talked like that. He was like, yeah, I'm doing the movie. I was like, all right, save me a roll. But I'm feeling the motherfucker. I'm like, save me a roll. I ain't asking. I'm boom, boom, so we just talked like that. He was like, yeah, I'm doing a movie. I said, all right, save me a role. But I'm feeling the motherfucker. I'm like, save me a role. I ain't asking.

Whatever the budget. So when you got low budget stuff or films, not even low, $50,000, $100,000, that's a nice budget. But to pay everybody and do everything, I just say give me a producer's credit and a few dollars, bow. I'm going to promote and do all that. It's like us, like y'all doing. Y'all ride with each other. Y'all work together. You get the cameras. It's like a crew. We're going to get more moves

to make it pop off. That's what happened when you were on Taheem? Yeah. Ice came on. You know Ice, he's? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was, yo, he, Ice came on. You know, Ice, he been 23 years in Lower North. He been acting the whole thing. So usually you have a slate. It goes like, stop.

Yeah. Boom. So as you film, you got so much shit, you got to track it through the numbers on the slate. Right. So Ty just called, action. Ice be like like before we go what the fuck is this thing I'm like

I'm like this nigga Ty I don't know how he do it but he was like oh if I tell him I'm like

I done did something that nigga that shit be flawless you're gonna sing the sound however he done it without a fucking slate on his shit,

Ty got all that shit, the lighting, the boom. He did a bit when I met him. He was home. He was like, yo,

I got a story. I read the script. I'm like, nigga, I'm in. Right. Man, that motherfucker produced,

wrote, directed, and starred in. Like, that's a different level of talent. Rest in peace, Taheem, man. Also, big up my man J-Rock. They just dropped a book

called Life in QB. You know what I mean? It's hard copies and soft copies. You know what I mean? But yeah, man. Tretch, man. Yo, man. Love you, my brother, man. Thank you, man. Please, man. Yo, yo. All right, guys. Take a flick and some drops drink champs is a drink champs llc production in association with interval presents

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