Drink Champs - Episode 398 w/ Rohan Marley

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs in this episode the champs chop it up with the legendary, Rohan Marley! Rohan, the son of the icon Bob Marley joins us to share his journey and stories of his father. Rohan Marley shares stories of his legendary family, the beliefs of Rastafari, Lion Order and much much more! “Bob Marley: One Love” is in theaters now! Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss! Make some noise for Rohan Marley!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 🎉🎉🎉   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's DJ E-F-N. And this is Militain Me Crazy World. Happy hour. Drink Champs happy hour. Make some noise! Now, when you speak about this person that we're introducing, we talk about, oh shit,

we didn't even have the champagne there. We still excited to start. We just went in. This is royalty. When I say royalty, this is real, real royalty. The man owns a hotel. Father's a legend. Super legend.

Super legend. You can't just say one legend. You can't just say legend. You got to say legend, icon. That is historic. What's crazy about it, dropping a movie on Valentine's Day. And today. And today is Bob fucking W Valentine's Day. And today, and today is Bob fucking Molly's birthday.

And we got a legend. In case you don't know who we talking about, we talking about the one, the only, Rohan Molly! First off, I got to have a drink to Bob Molly. You know what's the crazy thing is? First off, I got to have a drink to Bob Marley. You know what's the crazy thing is? A lot of us felt like Bob Marley was our father. So it's like you shared him with the world because there's no place on earth I can't go and a Bob molly record won't play no place and let me tell you something let me i've tested it i live by not by white people i tested it myself you can play that music at a disrespectful level you can play it all the way

up there's not one person that's gonna say turn turn it down. No. Not one. I've tried it numerous times with the cool white people, with the people who look racist, with the people who might not be, but they used to be in a row. And I put on any, you've been with me. You've been with me. And with his dreads. And he brought his dreads. And they don't get offended. He said he brought his dreads.

And he brought his dreads. That's right, yes. Did you ever realize how much of a global music he was making you know um to your point still growing up right i had to come to terms with what you just said you know i mean being that you know our father is not just my father you know i mean? Right. So one time I had to really be like, wow, you know? And it was a point in life where there was an instance that kind of put us in our place. Right. And it was one day, most of the times at Hope Road in Jamaica at my dad's place, everyone come check him, you know?

Right. Jamaica and my dad's place. Everyone come check him. If you need any type of help, youth from the streets. This particular day though, these guys. In Jamaica you say? Yeah, in Hope Road. Bob Marley Museum, what it's called today. But these youths right, growing up

they were street boys but they were also acrobats. So during the week they'll come to Hope Road, and they do all kind of flips and ting and ting. And the rest of the week, they'll shoot you? No, no. I mean. No, on the hustle, they watch the windscreen.

Oh, okay. Yeah, they're good boys. Okay. So one Sunday now, my brother and I, Stephen, we're in Hope Road, and this is a Sunday, man. And they showed up at the gate. So we kind of walked down to the gate and kind of told them. We said, listen, today, it's our day.

Take your asses home. We didn't say that. But our dad, he was kind of watching us from upstairs. Take your asses home. Right. We didn't say that. Right. But our dad, he was kind of watching us from upstairs. Right. So he called us, Stephen, Rohan, come upstairs. All right. We go upstairs now.

He said, you see those boys outside? Let them inside. And these are the street guys? Yeah. Okay. And at the time, there was a guy like, on Sundays, the ice cream man come around, and he ride a little fudge, he ride a little bike, you know, with the fudge on the back, the ice cream on the back.

He say, you see the boys? Go downstairs, buy them all ice cream, and watch them eat ice cream. So, you know, as youth, and you know, my father is kind of, you know, when he talk, he talk strong. Right. So you're kind of shaking. Right.

But what we realized is that our father really was trying to teach us a lesson that it wasn't just about his children on the inside. It's about the children that don't have more. You know what I mean? So right then and there, we learned the principles about when you have you have to share and that was a part of it and that's kind of was

his role to those youths it wasn't even about us it was about like you said how those youths saw my father in regards to what he do for them as youth

just growing up so we were kind of in the way they didn't come to see us. Right, right. Well, let me bounce around a little bit, right? Because when you look at all these biopsy movies, these pictures, and one of the people that say one of the most accurate and most on point one is the Straight Outta Compton one.

And everyone is saying that's because Ice Cube and people were there to somewhat guide them to what to talk about. Is this something that you had to do with this movie? Because, you know. The family as a whole. This movie, right? Our brother Ziggy, big brother Ziggy.

It's been in the works for five years. Oh, wow. He's also the one that was mainly behind Marley's documentary. I just watched that. Who shot the sheriff? No, not that one. The one that Marley's called. That one is, we don't know who did that one, but it's out there. But as far as family, and then this one now, finally, when Ziggi did all the research,

find the right people, the cast and all the things that he needed for the film, got the money he needed to make the film happen, he did that. Wow. And most importantly, the relationship that we have with not only the cast members, but the main actor, the actress, the producers, and some of the directors, it was just very, very much an intimate film. And very personable because we're able to kind of talk to Kingsley about some of our dad's ways and attitude. His mannerism mannerism

right and Kingsley himself he's so point on as an actor you know what I mean he meets him as an actor playing Bob

just as a yeah because it's craft you know that's his craft right but to be able to tap in and reach that level was truly impressive bro

right and we love that and this film as you said, it's really a family certified, family made. Right. You know, Ziggy, Sadella, Mama Rita,

the entire family, myself and Steven, you know, we're always there in support. All the brothers, sisters. So it's really a family thing. As well as my dad's friends. Right. The sons of the musicians are playing their dads oh really oh no i didn't know that a lot of um yeah it's a lot of cast is jamaica and then again

the amount of people that were able to like get a job in jamaica because of the movie yeah because of the movie was another good thing. We're proud of that. So we're still working from heaven. He's still working from heaven. Yeah. So, um, that's one of the things that,

um, me knowing that I was going to interview you, I was winning a search, like a lot of your father's concerts. And one thing that, that you can tell, everybody claimed Bob Marley. White people, black people, like everyone felt a piece of him.

You know what I mean? Like that's crazy. Yeah, the main thing is about the truth, you know? And a man like our father, Yeah, the main thing is about the truth. And a man like our father, this man lived for that purpose. And you're a musician, bro. You know the thing. Music in general, and you know what music is.

It's a vehicle. And we choose to deliver the message how we choose to deliver it. And we choose to say what we want to say we sit through Rastafari now and what that means to our father and us as Rastafari people us as a people in general human beings you know and the ones that really want to represent that human being movement is like that like soul to soul movement that's kind of our father and that's what he really stands up for. He's a man of his word. Like what he says, what he does, you know?

Right. And still does it, you know? Right. And that's the important thing. Right. So I feel like that truth within that message is that connection to a people that seek a certain way of life, wants this type of liberty, you know, because there's a passion within the liberty, you know,

and the most important thing is the truth that we utter, you know. So when you find people that stick to them, it kind of resonates to everyone. Right. And that's why we say one love. Right. You know. Yeah, because that became more than music.

It transcended the music. It became a global movement. Right. And that's why we say one love. Right. You know? Yeah, because that became more than music. It transcended the music. It became a global movement. Absolutely. Yeah. And it's a God movement. Yeah. You know, it's funny that you said that. I was watching a documentary, and I kid you not, I'm not being funny.

I thought I was looking at Jesus, man. I literally was looking at Bob like, this is what I think Jesus looked like. See? And with Rastafari, you know, that's really the way of life. And why we resonate like that and why we have this consonance and this presence is because of the Old Testament. And as Rastafari people, we try to follow the Nazarite vow, the way of the Nazarene, and Jesus Christ himself is a

Nazarite. So we try our daily life, as much as we can, we're not perfect, you know, but our daily life is to follow that order. And it's a Nazarite vow. You know, with your locks,

you know, the rays on your face, certain things, what you eat and this. Like my friend Rasta. He's Rasta. We catch him with shrimp every now and then. No, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. It's the same thing. It's like, yo,

but those are the things you go through as youth growing up. You're not supposed to eat that. That's the kind of, so you, as Rastafari people, as Jamaicans in general, we make fun of what you eat. You're a Rasta, you're not supposed to eat that. Rasta don't do this, Rasta don't do that. And then you have to, and then again, with the marley name with that first rastafari you must have never had a glizzy before in your life right what's up a frank what's that oh i can't see that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Hold up, but based on what you're saying about like it's double for you, did it ever feel like a burden, the legacy that was like put upon you and your siblings? I would never say a burden because it's really the I would never say a burden because it's really the way of the truth

you know and it's really discipline and just want to keep your father's ways so it's really an alignment and I'm proud of it because you know we all you proud of it because we all read the Bible, we all do these things. So if you

can find a way of life that's alignment towards that and as a culture, as a lifestyle, which is such, we're proud of that. So it's never a burden. It's a lesson and it's a way of life. And it's a way we choose to live and a way we want to live because we feel good about it. So it's a lesson and it's a way of life. And it's a way we choose to live and the way we want to live

because we feel good about it, you know? So it's a goodness. And it's like the way of the lion. It's like a king order. Real self. Now, I was watching, going back to the documentary, at one point Bob moved to London. And to this day,

to this day, it's a lot of Rastafarians and Jamaican people in London. Is that when they first started going there, when Bob went there? No. They had a colony. No, no, no. Remember,

you remember like World War II. A lot of Jamaicans fought in World War II with the British because Bruce said it's once underneath the British rule. The Commonwealth. Commonwealth, right. So Jamaicans traveled there because at one point before late 60s, early 70s, Jamaicans didn't need a visa to go to London. They didn't?

Right. Oh, wow. So a lot of work and such and such. So't need a visa to go to London. They didn't? Right. Oh, wow. So a lot of work and such and such. So a lot of foreparents are in London. You know, it was a regular thing for Jamaican families to receive things from England, like before America. Drain, our friend Drain, he's from London.

He's Jamaican. Yeah, a lot of that. That's why Jamaica culture in London is really close. Even the slang. And then again, music in general. But my father went there with intention to make music really an exile because of the assassination attempt. The Exodus album, right?

He made? Yeah, the Exodus. Yes, yeah. You know, you know, you are very well studied. Yes, yes, yes. I'm prepared. You know, don't let me mess it up.

I got you, I got you. Pardon, pardon. That's right. I don't normally drink, but we're... Well, we're praising you today. Our show is about giving people their flowers. We want to give you your flowers. You know what I'm saying?

We want to give you your flowers, my brother. Here, right there. Snoop Dogg said it's like a very... Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, to drink champs. To drink champs. On this blessed day.

That's right. Our Father's Day. That's right. Rastafari Day. Our Day. People's Day. That's right. A drink champ's day. A drink champ. On this blessed day. That's right. Our father's day. That's right. Rastafari day. Our day. People's day. That's right. A drink champ's day.

A drink champ. We're giving thanks to the most highest imperial majesty. Yes. Emperor. I don't know why I did that. I don't know why I did that. Just Rastafari. So I'm going to take the drinks back.

Yeah. I remember. Pardon the drinking. Yes. So I remember, you drinking yes so I remember you know rappers right seeing

having we having a love hate relationship with our city and we I remember me thinking that that's something that was new

but I remember seeing just now on an interview where Bob was just done with Jamaica at one point he was like man

I ain't messing with Jamaica and it point. He was like, man, I ain't messing with Jamaica. And it was like, damn, Bob went through the shit that I'm going through then. And I'm like, I'm like, wow.

And, and that's where he went to London. And that's when he started with the South Africa. Imagine this, right? It's like, I watched like, for instance, the movie,

and I'm not going to refer to this movie because something just happened to me in London. Where was I? Paris. For the premiere. And I'm watching that exact reference that you just made being told in the movie. And it made me very emotional

because of what my father said and what he represents. It made me truly emotional because here is the man where his gates are open to everyone. He came from nothing and everything that he

ever created or stood for represents the people. Pardon me. And here's this man that's helping so much people. And the same this man that's helping so much people. And the same people that you're helping, the same people that you're fighting to uplift and bring together, allow themselves to be manipulated by a systematic way, by politics,

to feel that it's right to try and take a man's life. So that's really the emotion of that so when my father said I'm done with Jamaica right it was in the moment in the moment so it's like it kind of it kind of screw you know is a rule for that right and you know so you take a little journey I'm gonna sing some love. Right. And, you know, so he take a journey and sing some love songs. Right. He's like, you know, this revolution might be a one-man thing. Right, right. You know what's ill about that is when you look at the political history in Jamaica,

it's like almost like bloods and crips. They're politics. Straight up. In a lot of the rest of the world. And even here. Straight up. Like, I seen you, you seen Randy Acker

from Def Jam Jamaica. Seen, seen, seen. I did a video with Lexus and Wayne Wonder in Tivoli Gardens. The most scaredest I've ever been in my life. The most scaredest I've ever been.

Yeah. Like, literally, this was, what do y'all call it? Bod-mon Town. Yeah. Garrison. Everybody had a gun on them.

I can't do nothing. And I was like and they told me they said man you're safe. But I was like it just didn't feel safe. You're good.

You're good still because nothing nothing with you. Right. You know what I mean? Remember Jamaican people are people of principle right when they're being rude they're rooted principles yeah yeah yeah i go a lot they

told me that against bad boy kind of thing they told me that off top soon as i landed in jamaica this lady she came right over me and she jumped over my whole foot with the shopping cart and then she looked at me like what y'all want yankee, Yankee boy? I said, you got it. I said, I'm in Jamaica. I got a real life where the fuck I'm at. You know what else I've seen? I know I'm all over the place. I've seen a Chinese Jamaican.

Oh, yeah. And boy, he was offended. I was like, you don't talk like that. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? They the most Jamaican. 300 years. 300 years. China been in Jamaica that long?

300 years. As well as the Indian. Yeah. Indian people. So we have four, five, fifth generation Chinese. Wow. So a lot of my friends, they look like you and I. Right.

They look like you. Right. You know what I mean? And last name Wong. Yeah. Shout out Waggy T out here. Waggy T. I bought my first turntable of another Chinese Jamaican.

It's a chin. It's Jamaican. Most of the Jamaican restaurants are Chinese Jamaicans. MVP records. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Big in the culture.

Super huge. Super huge. So Tiger Bone is real? That's real. It's not the way we drink it. Yeah. Super huge. Super huge. So Tiger Bone is real? That's real. It's not the way we drink it. It's not real. That's it. So you got this hotel.

Like, I believe you're the only person I know that owns a hotel. You flossed on me one night. You was like, hey, man, I got this hotel in Mexico. You know, you can buy it any time you want. I said, holy shit. I was like, that was some raw shit to me. You know, he's an entrepreneur. He's an entrepreneur world.

And everything you do in life, I believe in opportunities, you know. And everyone always say, how come you don't have one in Jamaica? I said, well, no one in Jamaica offered me an opportunity. Oh, wow. You know, so I took the opportunity. And it started long ago with the same Marley Coffee relationship.

And it's the same partner as the Five Hotel Group. Okay, wow. They were building a hotel and they wanted me to be a part of it. Wow. And you know,

I took a look at the place. Mexico. What part of Mexico? Right outside of Cancun, a place called Puerto Morelos. Okay, okay. Between Cancun

and Playa del Carmen. Okay. So like, I'd say place called Puerto Morelos. Okay, okay. Between Cancun and Playa del Carmen. Okay. So, like, I'd say 45 minutes from Tulum. Okay, cool. And 20 minutes from the airport. Oh, wow. As you land in Cancun, it's right there. Nice beach, protected area.

The reef is protected. The mangroves are protected. Nice little fishing village. And 92 rooms. And, you know, it's boutique-y. Yeah, yeah. Very 92 rooms. And you know, it's boutique-y. Very so. Very so.

That's dope. It's a great opportunity. Opened in 2020. It was a scare with all the things that were happening. Absolutely. But it survived

and with the help of a lot of my friends and I and I that's supporting one another and each other spread the message and it got out there more and I and I that's supporting one each other spread the message and it got out there more

and people seem to like going down there in Mexico. Yeah. And I like it too. I absolutely love it. Let's make some noise for you guys. Yeah,

big up to Romali Beach House. And that's the name of it? Yeah, Romali Beach House. Well, it's really the fives and Romali Beach House. You know what I mean?

It's a collaboration type of effort. Okay. Collaborative. And had you been going to Mexico before that? Not really. Okay. It wasn't my thing. But I met these brothers in New York City in like early 2016.

And at the time, I was really focused on Marley Coffee. And I was trying to build some coffee shops. brothers in New York City in like early 2016. And at the time, I was really focused on Marley Coffee and I was trying to build some coffee shops. So the brethren, you know, hey, we're building a hotel. Would you like to put one of your coffee shops in our hotel? So I took the opportunity again. I said, yeah, I'd love that.

Let me go see the spot. Oh, just to put the coffee in the hotel. Yeah, at first. Okay. So they did that and then they said, you know, we're building this hotel. We're going to open up a new project. We're building a new hotel on the beach in Puerto Morelos. It's really a little, you know, it's a smaller hotel. Would you like to, you know, we don't know what to call it. What do you want to, what do you think about calling it Romani Beach House?

Wow. And we came up with that name because, you know, it was on the beach. It's near the beach. It's near the beach. It's on the beach. It's the Caribbean. The Caribbean. So we love it down there and it's really nice because when you think about Mexico and them places you have to think about Africa and Afro-Mexico because from the early times of the Olmecs,

and then I learned a lot too because I learned that when I found myself in Mexico, I started to realize that, wow, we are all a part of the Ameridian culture from the early times because that's the Americas, so it's a part of the Caribbean. So then I go again and you look at Barbados, it's right there, the Caribbean. So then I go again and you look at Barbados. It's right there. And that's everything.

It's part of the whole. I'm a really and you know, this this part of the world, you know what I mean? So it's just really extending the culture and realizing that earth is a lot and it's fullness thereof. So wherever we are, wherever we go, it is home. So and we felt very good there. We feel at home in Mexico as well, like anywhere else. That's what's up. Yeah, man.

Love it. Love Mexico. Big up to Mexico. Big up, Mexico. Big up, Mexico. So when I research the stuff that I know about Rastafarian culture, it brings you to Heli Salasi, which brings you to Ethiopia, right? Which brings you to heli solasi which brings you to ethiopia right which brings you to to africa right yeah what is the correlation and we know all men come from africa right

but why is it is is it like jamaica and africa's relationship like so so so is is it because of the heli solasi well it started with mar Marcus Garvey, damn, that's right. Right. And then, you know, those early times in general as cultural people and the history of Jamaica with like all of the Maroons,

the early Maroons who fought against the British for their independence and never got conquered by the Brits. So we were always like rebellious people, you know? So during the time when Marcus Garvey, early, I say before the 1930s, when Marcus Garvey was hailing and building his movement

in Harlem and throughout the world and studying in England and traveling the Earth, Marcus Garvey learned about the crowning of the Emperor Haile Selassie I, which would take place in 1930. So Marcus Garvey being Jamaican, returned to Jamaica and told the black people of Jamaica that we black people in the Western Hemisphere

should look towards the East for the crowning of a black king, our king, our Christ and our God Almighty, So it says in Revelation that you'll be crowned king of kings, lords of lords, conquering the tribe of Judah, elect of God himself. So when Marcus Garvey said that to I and I now, as black people in the Western Hemisphere, there's another brethren whose name is Howell, who's really started the Rastafari movement.

Leonard Howell. Don't quote me on the exact name. It's a Google, all right? Yeah, you can find his name in the Google. But then the movement started. And then we as black people in the Western Hemisphere started to look towards Ethiopia, the crowning of the king as our God.

And we started to follow the ways of Ethiopia because we knew that now that being Ethiopia is the first place to really follow Jesus Christ. In 4 AD, when the eunuch met Philip and told Queen Candace about this great man, this great man that he met, and blah, blah, blah, and such and such. It was Philip who was a follower of Christ,

and then he started Christianity that time then, you know? So we as Rastafari people, we look to Ethiopia, and that's the Orthodox Church, which is the faith of Rastafari, if you ever asked about that. So that's when it really started, in 1930, the crowning of the King of Kings. And everyone knows this in the world

because every nation was there that day and everyone had to kneel and bow to that emperor. Who was Calais' last? Yes, who was the 225th lineage of King David, seed of Jesse. And those 225 kings are the kings that rule the earth. So when we talk about earth, we have to talk about the olden days and the biblical ways.

So we follow the King David's throne. We didn't follow Babylon's throne, which was always trying to fight against King David's throne, if you know what I mean. Like, you know, all the Constantinople's, all the Roman Empire, all these guys. That? Like, you know, all the Constantinople's, all the Roman Empire, all these guys. That never stopped, you know? So we as Rastafari people, we represent the King David throne,

and that is Haile Selassie throne. And that's how we come to say Haile Selassie is who we call his imperial majesty, is who we call the almighty god himself in the living flesh so that's how we we're able to like manifest our flesh this way by that teaching of this great man who manifests the god within himself at the highest order so we believe upon that and we live upon that and those are where we get our teachings and those are the teachings we follow. So other people have other teachings that they follow and sometimes you stumble

like your teaching make you stumble. This one keeps us more upright. Right. And it happened while he was still alive, right? Who? Selassie.

Wasn't he still alive when people started to follow him in Jamaica? His Majesty is forever living and absolutely so. But His Majesty is forever living and absolutely so. But his majesty is forever living, you know? Yeah. I think they did a study

and they said that his blood is actually related to Jesus Christ. They said the Ark of the Covenant is in Ethiopia. That's what I was saying. That's why I mentioned to you the lineage of King David and then within that lineage there's 225 kings. And you have Abraham, Moses, and you have Jesus Christ himself.

I like how you say Jesus Christ. I like how you say that. You have Solomon, you have David, and his majesty is a part of that lineage. And that's why I talked about King David's throne. And that same is Christ in his kingly character, right? And Christ in the flesh. So all the Christ consciousness, the great kings Christ in the flesh. All the Christ consciousness,

the great kings of this earth who took on the Christ consciousness, who are the heads of this government, who have the shoulders of the almighty God, and they rule this government with the God law, you know, the ancient Abrahamic law. You know, that's the law. You know what I believe?

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When you look at, let me just stick with Bob. When you look at the history of how he did, this was all righteous. This was like, you know, when you go look at all these interviews and you go look at these, everything that he, he said something one time. He said, they love you so much they'll kill you. And I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. you so much he'll kill you and I was like what the fuck yeah because love and hate is kind of almost the same thing yeah but he said something he said sometimes they can love you so much that they'll kill you and I couldn't

distinguish if he said they'll kill you like meaning himself or just that love itself like this is all biblical. Factual. And you know, you said something so important. Because man himself, right? Like, we talk about man. We're flesh. But man have like an ideology, right? And some men have good ideology and good dreams that we tap into a certain frequency.

And you talk about like Tupac, you know? But we're not talking about Tupac that you see walking on the street. We you talk about like Tupac, you know, but we're not talking about Tupac that you see walking on the street, we're talking about the Tupac that you see speaking a thing, a saying, a something, and that's what each of us have as beings in general, right? Because we have that goodness that we're made from,

because we are made from love, and you have to make love to produce. That's right, goddammit, you got a lot of them out there. Give thanks to love. You a lot for real out here we know you you're out here another club let's go so yes we love that and it's it's all what the ones have to say that we try to like gravitate towards you know the man himself and we find the good in each other so yeah man they're going to talk about great ones that have had great things to say and who always wanted to uplift people. So that's the real purpose, you know,

with the upliftment of people, you know. And when you're speaking that, yeah, not all the time, you know, some of the times you're kind of, but we're going to focus on the good side of you. Right. You know, and that's what we all need to start doing now is start focusing on people goodness.

Right. You know what I mean? goodness. People like too much downfall. I leave it up for less now. Do you think the CIA was really tapping into Jamaica like that? When you see years later,

you see Malcolm X, and then years later, there's actually studies that come out that show CIA set Malcolm X up. And this rumor has never been confirmed. Can I ask you a question? Okay, yes. Oh, me, I'm a, you know, I'm the type of person where I watch UFO. I'm into aliens. That's who you are.

That's what you're about to say. You can't even call it conspiracy more. They talk about it in government. I watch UFO. I'm into aliens. That's who you are. That's what you're about to say. You can't even call it conspiracy more. They talk about it in government. I've been watching UFO since the early 1990s. So anyway, when we talk about Jamaica in general, right? Right. And we talk about trade and waterways and entrance to certain system, right? The stream of like from how you have to travel

into like the money pool, right? You know, coming from Africa down the stream and blah, blah, blah, and certain places that you have to hang out, right? So Jamaica is like the little, little small island. It's right in that little, you got to pass that place to get into the wealth, right? The trade.

It's the gate. It's a gateway, right? So what happened in jamaica now in the early times when the british empire was had a larger influence before this independence thing you know it was you know jamaica was like a place where you really it was not too much violence it wasn't no wow very in the 60s jamaica was so peaceful and lovely so when now the the whole communist movement began you know that thing and then the start now with the the politicians when the independence came now and these two parties started to mingle one was like they would call him a socialist, which was Manley,

and the other one was like, That was the prime minister, right? Yeah, the two of them, the same one my dad put together. Michael Manley and? Edward Siaga. Yeah, yeah. So he was more like,

They called him Siaga, C-I-A-A-G-A. That's right. Holy gold. You know them. So one, though, would say was like, leaning towards like, Cuba-ish, right? Yeah. The Cuba vibe. They wanted Jamaica to be the new Cuba. Yeah, yeah. So one, though, would say was like leaning towards like Cuba-ish, right?

Yeah. The Cuba vibe. They wanted Jamaica to be the new Cuba. Like, well. Even the prime minister of Jamaica met with Castro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted to be in the orbit. There was a lot of support there.

And then the other person also, what happened was when the gun trade begun for the destabilization. They even had a gun court. Yeah, because now you start flood the place with guns and cocaine. But destabilization because they got to destabilize the country because of what's happening. Because these people are worried about these people having this control because now you're messing with the horn. You're messing with the horn, right? You're messing with the, the money run, right?

So if the, if the Jamaicans become more this way, then you're tapping into the Russia people again, where they're tapping into this thing. And then these people are, are starting to take too much control of this little hump right here. So that couldn't happen. The KGB was in,

in, in Jamaica. Yeah. That's the Russian side. Of course. That's the, you know, the mafia. So all that, the KGB is in Jamaica. Yeah, that's the Russian side. Yeah, of course. That's the mafia, KGB. No, the KGB is the CIA of Russia. That's what I mean.

And all that destabilization is when the violence begun in the early 70s, late, late, late, late 60s now. What was the two parties, JLP? PNP and JLP. Jamaica Labor Right Party and the People's National Party. One color is orange and the other one is green. I grew up in a time where I live in a place called Spanish Town and I'll never forget this. This one I know, like.

And the Spanish person is like, in Spanish Town. All us. Let me tell you something. This one I kind of knew with my heart. I kind of knew I was a good person. I knew I was a good human being. I think I was like

10 years old. I remember it was like political times, like very strong politics, right? So these people, tourists, they were driving along this main road to get to Montego Bay and if you did not put up the sign

of which party you represented, the people, they throwing stones at your car. I remember watching it, right? Because that area was a labor right area and I live in the midst of everything. And I remember watching this and I remember seeing the bridge and them throwing the stones.

And I remember to my heart, I'm like, but those people don't know nothing. It's my little self. I was like, wow. So that's when I realized these people don't have no brain. They don't have, they don't know. This is, what is this? It don't make no sense.

You know? So that's what happened. And that's what destabilized the country's guns and foolishness of politics. Because even when Marcus Garvey in the early times, when Marcus Garvey was running for prime minister of Jamaica, what they said caused him not to be the prime minister, they went and offered the Jamaican people free rice and peas. No, people love them belly. I never heard this one. Really?

That's crazy. Free rice and peas. It's a big thing in Jamaica. It's a Sunday. Sunday dinner. Pop on sandwiches. Every Jamaican eats rice and peas on Sunday. Right.

It's rice and peas on chicken, rice and peas on this, rice and peas on that. Right. So it's a big thing. Yeah. I've never been stuck before. By the way, who has the best rice and peas? Puerto Ricans? Jamaicans?

Dominicans? No, no, hold on. You have rice and beans. Damn, good point. Good point. Did not realize that. Who's still got the best? You know, when I go to Puerto Rico, I eat rice and beans, man. Rice and beans?

You know what I mean? When I'm in Jamaica, I eat rice and peas, man. Rice and peas. So I never had them side by side. You never had them side by side. Yeah, that's carved up. You carved the fuck up. Holy shit.

I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. But listen, Haiti is not in the category. Haitian food is amazing. I love Haitian food. Haitian food is amazing. No, no. Best cuisine, bro, bro.

No, I've been seeing, because I've been seeing on Instagram, Haiti's been trying to throw their hat in the ring with the rice and peas. No, they got great rice. I'm not going to lie. Can I tell you something about Haiti? Let me tell you something about Haiti. Haiti my shit. Haiti now, Haiti, you see, there's a, you see, cuisine-wise,

you see, because, well, not because of, but the mixture with the French. Yeah, which is big. They're big on cuisine over there. You see what I'm saying? But there's no Haitian vegan food. That's right. Haitian don't eat too much. They don't eat too much vegan food.

They grill. They grill. Oh, yeah. too many. They real. They real. You look like real. My son, my first boy is Nico, and my first daughter, Eden, they Haitian. They Haitian. Nico born in Petronville. I've been to Petronville. Haitian is 80's though, Bobby. I hate you, Bobby. I hate you, Bobby. I hate you, though, man.

What's your favorite place to visit on your spare time? Like, for what? For anything. I have different things I think about. Okay. For vacation. For vacation. Vacation.

Okay. Well, you know what I love the most? I love the ocean, you know? So I like going places where, for vacation, Vacation. Okay. Well, you know what I love the most? I love the ocean, you know? So I like going places where, for vacation, you said. Not like sabbaticals. Yeah, yeah. You're not. Right, just to relax and hang out. Use the big word.

I didn't even want to ask for that word. Not sabbaticals. You go in the church. Okay, okay, okay. Meditate and stuff like that. Good stuff. Well, like, let me see. Like, for instance, I love going to Romano's Beach House. Of course, I, okay. Meditate and stuff like that. Good stuff. Well, like, let me see. Like, for instance, I love going to Romani Beach House.

Of course, I love that. Of course. This year, I had a chance to visit Barbados. Barbados? Was Rihanna out there? Man, Rihanna is like, she wasn't there when you felt her presence. When you felt her presence, right? I feel like I believe Khaled.

Even though I'm not supposed to believe him, I just believe whatever the fuck he promotes. I want to go see Rihanna too. He tells you the truth. I believe him. He tells the truth. Yes, I believe Khaled, bro. No, but for sure, Rihanna's, right?

Like I was there, I was into the Rihanna's vibe because she put the place like from a tourism perspective. Right. It's, you know, people want to visit and because they want to see where she live. Because it's very nice and the people love her so much. Yeah. So I love, I just, first time going there

for like some business thing, like a fin, they call it fintech, like financial technology summit. Good stuff. Okay. So that was out there, a bunch of Caribbean people from Latin America as well. And they just got out of the British right here? Yep, yep, the prime minister wanted,

is the prime minister now president? Right, they broke away from the commonwealth. They're independent. Everybody can't go independent now. No, but it's... Some of these guys got to stick with their major labels. Nah, man, nah, man, nah. I don't like it. Nah, man. Nah. I'm not going to let you get away with that.

Everybody get away with it. I'm telling you, man. Listen. Haiti's still 50-50 with it. They're not 50-50. They were the first ones to break away. That's what I'm saying. They are still like, we don't know.

We don't know why they suffered because they were the first ones. We don't know. should've We should've We should've did that That's what I mean You know that And their Height Is holding A lot of money Yeah

I'm gonna be honest Puerto Rico Scratch our heads sometime We don't know Why we still On this major label I killed that Y'all don't understand

I killed that Y'all don't understand I killed that I killed that Come on Come on This is Puerto Rico We definitely made your label Hey man Let Cuba become free

We coming We coming bro Yeah niggas You got some Your mother's Cuban right She was born in Cuba You know I got a lot of Cuban family You know my girlfriend is Cuban

I've noticed you When you say Cuban rice and peas though We don't say rice and peas, though. We don't say rice and peas. We say more rice and peas. All peas, whatever the fuck you eat. You ain't no Cuban out there. You ain't no Cuban out there. Man, Cuban food is good.

Cuban food is good. I'm just saying. He didn't do it. When I go to a house, when I go to a house, a family with me are nice. But you know what it is? Honestly, the Caribbean food

is pretty much the same thing, bro. We just call it different names. We all eat tostones. We all eat plantains. We all eat the same thing. bro. We just call it different names. We all eat those donuts. We all eat plantains. We all eat the same thing. But I'll tell you this. Mama Rita is also Cuban. Mama Rita is Cuban.

But I'll tell you this. This is a big difference, though. My son went to Cuba. Really? He went to Cuba? Yeah. You didn't know that? Oh, with your wife?

Yes. Right, right, right. And he called me. He said, where's the W, Dad? There was no AC. He did not AC. It's not. There was no AC. and he called me and he said, where's the W, Dad? There was no AC. He did not, he didn't. There was no AC in his arms crib. Guy was talking about Cuba right now, man.

I couldn't explain to my son, the A's, there's not W hotels everywhere, buddy. Especially not in a socialist country, man. Yeah, he didn't know, he had to learn that day. I took a visit to Cuba, right? And we booked an Airbnb. Mm-hmm. Oh, shit.

I don't know where this is going. No, it's good. Okay. But the family was there too, you know? I did the same thing, but it was an Airbnb. I stayed with the family. So, one, now I'm just chilling on the veranda. You ain't telling me this, boy.

Go ahead, let's go. I'm chilling on the veranda. You ain't telling me this, boy. Go ahead. Let's go. I'm chilling on the veranda. So I see the brethren pull up on a little bicycle, and he got the bread. Oh, wow. So I'm like, what brethren? I said, you know, you got. I said, what brethren doing? He said, no, you know, they still do that where.

The partitioning of the food. Yeah, they still do that where they drive around around and they give you a certain bag of food. Man, I was like, wow. But it was cool being in Cuba and being able to see that the people weren't living in, it wasn't like that anymore. It was a balance. So you can still have that, but they still do, you know what I mean?

So it was very nice. But if you want to see, like if you ever want to see some good culture, man, and some good, also some good architect, go to Cuba. Cuba is really beautiful. And it's a bubble

because you see that old school architect. It also proves the point that Latinos are Of African descent Absolutely It proves that It proves that The culture that we have

Is all African descent There's a place in Puerto Rico like that Louisa You ever been to Louisa? Louisa Everyone I'm light skinned

Like yeah Everyone is So it's Cuba is definitely Yo you know something though I'm one of those people where How about Columbia? My bad.

I've been there. You like Columbia? I don't like to talk about it too much. Oh, shit. Damn! That man's way Well, tell us more! Your son said

I asked you to go to Columbia for some reason. Something said that. I'm sorry. I looked at Diego's face and Columbia came up immediately. You sound like him. No.

You guys love Columbia too much. No, I actually went there for stem cells. Is that what they call it now? No, no. I'm banned from going to Columbia. Not for nothing bad. Just things that could possibly happen. Right, it happened.

Things that keep yourself out of the way of trouble. Right. Okay. So I try to stay away from Columbia. Okay. You went to Medellin? Medellin is beautiful. I love Medellin.

But when I did visit, while I was there, I did go to the Corona Communal 13. I went there. The escalera. Yes. The stairs. The stairs. I visited. You're the only two people I ever bragged about stairs.

No. Tell me what really happened in Colombia, God damn it. No, listen. This is. No, listen. This don't sound right. No, listen. is all right no no no i'm talking about the higher you go into the mountain in the hills is the is the more poor it gets oh what they did in this neighborhood because of this this neighborhood was violent as hell

just not too long ago. They put escalators so that they can have access to people in the slums down to the main area to just do regular things. I've never seen anything like that. And it changed their lives.

And then the graffiti's everywhere. Beautiful graffiti everywhere. Beautiful art. Wow. Colors. Yeah. I mean, colors like the buildings are beautiful. Everything is just beautiful there.

Yeah. All of it. You walk up and down the steps. Right. And you see things. It's literally, it's escalators in the hood, bro. It's just, it's a lot of walking. It's a lot.

But it's beautiful. It's beautiful. All right. No, no. We're not going to where he's going. He's going to a tiki hut on the beach getting a bicep. Listen, the other day, Diego was like, he's like, hey, man, my girl said I should go to Columbia. He said, I don't think we should.

Were you suggesting no? You've been through some bad things, man. Y'all going for different reasons. Yeah, don't say y'all. I have not been to Columbia since Oyamikondo. Damn, y'all. I have one. I didn't have Diego type of one, but I had one.

Oh, man. Then life calmed down. And then life calmed down. Okay. Beautiful people there, man. Yeah. Getting back to... Sure, sure. Please do, please do.

I always... You know, like I said, I said it earlier, I always felt something attached to your father. And there's people to this day, right? There's people who see me, who they see me on the internet. They have never met me before in their life. And they'll come straight up to me and be like, yo, Normie, and just start talking to me.

And I realized this person is infatuated with whoever the fuck they see on the internet, and they start talking. Like if they know you, they have that familiar area. As if they know me. And then you got to realize that this guy is psychotic. He does think he knows me, and he does. He does, because he's pointing out shit.

He's like, episode 16. You remember this, man? It's kind of what we sign up for, though. We can't lie. That's kind of what we sign up for. How many times are people coming up to you wanting to know stories about your father? I see. No, no, really see something. You see because I, I don't know, because I kind of walk wide.

You know what I mean? It's kind of, I don't know. It's like I'm all day doing the same things all the time. So I don't even pay attention. Have you ever seen that commercial, The Most Interesting Guy on Earth? Like your father was that guy. The most interesting guy on earth. Without your father was that guy. Man. Most interesting guy on earth.

Without trying. He was just him. Yeah. It's facts. Shoosh. You know, it's been all my life. That's what I said about the burden.

I didn't mean it in a bad way. I'm just saying it's, it's, it's a big thing. But no, like what, what bro is saying in regards to like how many, I mean, you know, it is right. It's like now regards to like how many i mean you know it is

right it's like now all right like i you know i did this yesterday not yet not like that but it was another bob ting yesterday and then right when i was born it was a bob ting you know i mean it's always been a bob ting yes that's like all your whole life so you know because especially how the man is yeah you know i mean? Then as when being that he left Earth when we were nine years old, myself and some of my brothers. Wow. Yeah, nine years old.

Nine. And he was 36? Yeah, I said I was 10, but I was nine. Yeah, 36. Wow. Yeah, 1981. I'm born in 72. So yeah, but when he left Earth when we were nine years old, we had to learn

from other people too. And learn from his friends, some of his things, and blah, blah, blah. So it became a thing that we love to talk about also because it's a remembrance. And so we like to tell the stories about our dad too.

Yeah, we love it. I can't even calculate it because it's like a fun thing. Like, yeah, man. Wow, man, you know something about our dad too. Yeah, we love it. So it's like I can't even calculate it because it's like a fun thing, you know? Like, yeah, man. Wow, man, you know something about our dad. You know? Right, right. So if you know something, tell me.

What do you know? Tell me. We're intrigued by that. Right, right. Because he's truly, he truly was a prophet. He truly was like of this earth, but not of this earth.

You see, go back to the Christ consciousness thing again, where we say, it's the same thing you say, we're fleshly people, but we have a higher consciousness where we try to seek a higher way of life, and that way of life is coming out of this

whole ether system. Our Father was able to tap that. And unbeknownst to us, not knowing the meditation that he's dealing with and the vibration that he's linked to, we don't know. So the man, they believe in greater existence. Believe that we all can unite truly. That's like a real thing. It's not like, truly. Like that's like a true, that's like a real, it's a real thing. You know, it's not like, oh man, that's never going to happen.

Yeah, man, it can happen. You know, so he truly believed that and lived that. And he was just connected to the source. And that's the same thing as we as human beings. Our goal is try to find the source and connect to it. You know, so we just, and then that's how we get his majesty again, because we as his children, I say, wait a minute. The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.

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And the root is Rastafari. So, you know? So it's like a channeling. And how, because this great man, he's like, he's talking about Jesus Christ and the great humans that just walked this earth. It's like, how we channel that? How we channel that energy?

And then, because we know it's real. Because our Father, we see tap into that, even just by how we walk and the scent, just like growing up and it's the scent of him. You know? Like, you know, certain way and what he's connected to in just the way and what he is, you know, in regards to, like,

growing up living next to the priests from the Ethiopian Orthodox Church because His Majesty sent them to Jamaica, and they lived in the same yard that my father lived in. My father gave them residency, you know, so he took care of the church, you know, so he really was a man, like, that connected the Father himself and the Holy One.

He's a real man that desired that. So, yeah. So, like you say, it's real talk. But I don't want to sound like, you know, I'm a son. I believe the same thing you're saying, bro. Right. No, no, no. Trust me.

It's real. Trust me. I tap into that truth just like that. Right. Because I remember having a conversation with Pun's son, right?

Mm-hmm. And we're shooting a terminology video. It's a terminology record. Me, Pun's son, and Term is on. And I remember me talking to Pun's son

and me talking to him as if he was his father's friend and me not realizing that this is Pun's son and Pun didn't really get to spend a lot of time with his son. So I remember me immediately saying, I was talking and I was just like, holy shit. I'm talking to him about his father and I'm like, me and him did this. And I'm looking and I'm like, holy shit, he doesn't really know. So, you know what I mean? Like, is that something that you ever went through?

Hmm. So, as a young boy, at nine years old in Jamaica, right, it's like you're 15 in America. You're 18. You're 18 already. You're 18, yeah. You know what. You're 18 already. You're 18. You know what I'm saying? You got to double it.

So we have spot memory. Like the times that we have with our father was, you know, the times, you know, and then it's like you lost in time, actually. Right. Because even recently, I had a dream of my dad recently, and I don't really dream him that much. Vision him in my dream, you know. I think it's one of the first times I think I'm not even sure maybe two times in my life because you know how it is it's not easy you know right so God we live it and we team within us so you're like seeing yourself all the time

but like you say it's it's really a it's like just a way of life and really trying to make sense of it. You know what I mean? Because it's magic. It's real magic. And to see it and being around it, like wow, alright. Because the man is like an excellent type of being. He's my father type of

person. You walk in his room and he just jumps over this table. You know what I'm saying? He's like, he drives like a superhero. Right, right. So we see him like that. So when the friends tell you the stories, he's like, he's the type of person, like, you walk in the house and he see you, and the next minute, he bring the boxing gloves.

Right, right. Wow. Like, circle up. Wow. Wow. So that's, yeah, so he's like an ever-present.

So we hear the stories because, you know, as sons, you look up to your father and you want to emulate your father. So you try to find all the little things

about him and learn as much as you can and then, you know, try to extend that. Because at the end of the day, I'm 52 years old this year. My father passed away

when I'm 36, but I still see him as like, whoa, what a big man. But he's my little brother today, you know? But I still look at him like, wow. You know, I still see him.

I think I see him still as that little nine-year-old, I think. I still see him. I think I see him still as that little nine-year-old I think. I don't know. When I see a picture of my father, I don't, I mean obviously I we live in the present.

So we, you know, in your own mind, you kind of talk to yourself about how you would perceive a life with daddy today, you know? Right. But when I do see him, I don't see, like, I couldn't, like, I just see him as he is in all the same pictures. Right. You know what I mean? I don't envision him no other way.

Right. You know what I mean? Because I heard Jay-Z say that his kids didn't think he was cool, right? You couldn't have never had that problem. You always had to know your pops was the coolest person on the planet. Remember, I'm young. Yeah. That's why I'm asking.

He's like a lion. Because he's the type of person, when he talks to you, you cry. I'm the type of person. My dad is over there. I'm over there. I don't know. I see him like a superhero. Like bigger than life.

Yeah. I'm seeing him. The sense of him. He's the type of man, like I remember one day, he's in the studio session, and I'm there late at Hope Pro because I'm supposed to be home, but I end up staying over. I'm late.

And he's like, what are you doing here? I'm still here, daddy. You know what I'm saying? I'm just here. So it's about, I don't know, maybe 1 o'clock or probably earlier, like 12 o'clock or something. So I go in the studio. And you know the studio, I have the glass here. And he's on the board up there.

But you can't fall asleep. You can't fall asleep in the studio. That's my rule, too. Holy shit. You mean I got that from Bob Marley? What the fuck? I knew I was great. I knew I was great. I knew I was great.

You can't like on some weak stuff, like you can't be there like bobbing and shit. That's so fucking fly. Holy shit. See, me as a little boy, I'm sitting in the front. You're tired. So I'm trying to kind of hide,

but he's seeing me through the glass. He says, hey, boy, go upstairs. So I go upstairs now, and I'm laying in my dad's bed. Because his bed is in the office, his studio, pressing plan. Everything is right there. His whole system. So I'm sleeping. My father probably come upstairs

like 5.30 a.m. Hey, boy, get up and go wash your feet. At 5.30. At 5.30 a.m. Your feet dirty. Let's make some noise. Get your ass up.

Get your ass up. Get your ass up. Yeah, man. So you see him like, like when you, he's like, oh, no. I can't believe it. You know what I mean? He's like, yeah, man. You know, you see him like, whatever you're going to do is like magic.

And the stories you hear about him is like, you know, he do magical things. My uncle will tell you here in Miami because in 1976, this is when my family moved here in Miami. But my dad had a Renegade, a Jeep. My uncle would tell you, you know, sometimes he drives a Jeep and he come into the yard, the Jeep is like on one wheel, the way he fucking turned that shit.

He's like, you can't believe the things. You can't believe the things that they tell you, man. The stories. It's crazy. Like a real superhero. So we see our father as a superhero. Yes.

And we try to. He is a superhero. Yeah. So we like, that's the way, like the smell. That's the way he smell, you know? Yep. Things he eat. You know, when you're young, you don't want none of that shit. Beetroot, Irish moss, you know, a lot of ital food, no taste, wheat dumpling.

Wow, he was super disciplined in that way. Yeah, man. Wow. But sometimes, you know, he'll take you to Kentucky Fried Chicken. Oh, shit. You get asked to KFC? Get here, Ron. Get here, Ron. It's humanity show.

That's awesome. That's awesome. Just like us. Only on the wintertime? Sundays. I want to change it up a little bit. I once made the mistake, right? Me, personally.

Of bike riding with a famous NFL football player named Warren Sapp. Now, I would go on these bike rides with Warren Sapp two, three times a week. I realized he was crazy. I didn't realize how crazy he was.

One day he goes, fuck these bitch ass rides we taking in Nori. Let's go to the South Beach. I don't take him serious. But I'm like, okay, cool. We go into Sunny Isles. I realize, oh, he's really going to South Beach. I can't bitch out.

Oh, you cross the bridge. Oh, I'm, He's a maniac! By the way, Warren Savage, my friend, so I can say this, he has never left the game. He's still on the field. He was blocking for me.

Go! I'm feeling like I got a fucking football. You're running back on the bike. Oh, no! He's jumping in front of trucks. I swear to God, I swear to God I'm not exaggerating. An Amazon truck pulled up on the side of us

and he went like this. He hit the Amazon truck, this shit shake. The two Amazon drivers come out. They're like, yo. And then they see it's Warren Satter. They're like, fuck that. They turn the fuck around.

I'm looking. Warren is demanding the streets. I'm on the bike. I'm out of my league, EFN. I do not belong here. I do not belong. But I can't turn back now. I got a different kind of bike ride. And I don't got no charger. Because it's an electric bike. And. I do not belong. But I can't turn back now. That's a different kind of bike ride.

And I don't got no charger because it's an electric bike and the electric's not working. I got no charger. You got an electric bike? Yeah, man. Let me finish. No, listen. Just, we're going to do 900 miles. The electric don't count.

Right. So, we going, we going. And he's like, hey, let's stop for a beer. What? A beer? I like this bike ride. We're going and he's like hey, let's stop for a beer what a beer I Like this bike ride It's electric We wind up in your house Your house I walk in his crib

I didn't I didn't remember that y'all went to school together. I didn't remember y'all. My best friend. Yes, I didn't remember that. So I'm like, but by the way, if you didn't live there, I would have died. I was out of everything. Like, this guy's a Hall of Famer. Yeah. He's working out with a rapper. I'm a rapper.

I'm not supposed to know how to go through traffic. And it's not my shit. I'm talking about his weight. It ain't over your head. I'm not trying to fucking go fucking afro traffic. And it's not my shit. I'm trying to lose weight. It ain't over your head. I'm not trying to fucking go fucking afro, bro. He's at the Super Bowl. He's fucking at the Super Bowl. He's trying to run the fucking bike marathon somewhere he's training for.

Why the fuck am I here with him? So he's like, yo, let's go. I'm sweating like crazy. He's like, let's go to Rowan's house. I'm like, yes. I'm trying to find your number. He be like, yo, just to Rowan's house. I'm like, yes. I'm trying to find your number. He be like, yo, just find the excuse for us to stay. And yo, thank you.

I kid you not. One, you listen. If you're not ready to work out with a Hall of Famer, I want to give you this. He's incredible. Dude, don't do it. He's incredible. Because he's not going to let you stop. No, he's incredible. That guy is incredible. And then's not going to let you stop. No, he's incredible.

That guy is incredible. And then we went to your house. From your house, we drank beers. I was like, yo, my battery's about to die. I was using any excuse. I called my wife. I was like, come and get me. He was like a kid.

Bro, this shit was not funny. I'm laughing now. But I was like, he was abusing, man. I was like, why did he? I come the next, I came like this. I'm like, why the electric bike here? I didn't leave the bike. He left the bike.

Then first off, we went to Prime 112. We drank And then we went back I was like Warren I'm not really Built like this But you drank more At Prime 112

Yes I couldn't say no Do you not understand Like I just felt like I felt like He was going to be like Shut the fuck up

Like you was in boot camp I was just like Yes Warren Let's go I was out of line But Warren is a crazy motherfucker. I seen him last night. Oh, my God.

Yeah, you know what? I promise you. Warren Sapp is probably one of the smartest human beings I have ever met in my life. This guy is so intelligent. Biologically, geographically, philosophically, no one knows football like this guy yes no one he taught me about like american politics like he taught me american history he taught me so much about american culture here in america like about when you first moved all the time no like all the time like his history is you play football too, too. Yeah, but his knowledge, man,

this man teaches me so much about American history. Like, just like, he's so intelligent, bro. This is well-read. Yeah. Well, like, this guy, you can't inquisit this.

You can't. I'm in college. We were roommates. That was dope. I walked in the dorm. You told me that. I walked into, well, we didn't have a dorm.

We had an apartment. It's UM. Okay. It's on campus. That was dope. I walked in the dorm. You told me that. I walked into, well, we didn't have a dorm. We had an apartment. Uh-huh. It's UM. Okay. But it's on campus. That's right. Right. Apartments.

Real Miami shit. Real, we're chilling. It's Coral Gables. Let's get it. It's good. I managed. They got a stripper pole in there or something. I don't know.

It was in my mind. No, no. That time it was a Rolex. Rolex? Okay. Rolex? It was on 79th Street. We went there.

We know. Chill, chill. Let Rolex. And we're on 79th Street. We went there, you know. Chill, chill. Let me just say this part. So anyway, I walk in the dorm, I mean the apartment. I open the door and Sap is there watching Jeopardy. I'm like, you watch this shit? This motherfucker is answering all the questions. I'm like, how do you know that shit?

Intelligent motherfucker. Pardon my French, but super intelligent. And as well as a dominant athlete. This man, you won't find him just sitting around. He's fishing all the time, riding the bicycle, diving. It's crazy. By the way, he's diving, grabbing the fish underwater. The fish with the fucking thing.

You know what I'm talking about? It goes like that. You know what I mean? It's a swordfish. It's a swordfish. He's down there. It's fine as hell. And I'm not going to keep it with you. I quit.

I'm going to quit. But in my mind, I quit. I didn't want it no more. You're Betsy right now. Big up to him, too. He's now working with Coach Deion Sanders. Deion Sanders. I'm going to tell you.

Big up to that. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. If you never rode in a bike lane, and you were slow in the bike lane, or you walked in a bike lane, Warren Sapp, he come up on you like this. Get the fuck out of the bike lane. You're like, oh. Yo, let me tell you like this. Get the fuck out the bike lane. You're like, oh. Yo, let me tell you something.

The whole ball walk moves out his way. It's like they got a time that he knows. They know he come through. Get out the bike lane. You know why? He knows the law. He's actually correct. If you go in the opposite way, he'll yell at you.

He's like, you're going the wrong way. He's like one of them type of guys where he's like strictly law abiding. Like he's proper. Like you can't be walking in the bike lane. He's going to let you know. You got the right to be mad. You can't walk in the bike lane. You see the sign.

The first time I met him, we was at a restaurant and he had a sign. I swear to God in front of him that said, don't feed the animals. I don't know what that shit meant, but I stayed clear away from that shit. I was like, hey, how you doing, Marsap? I was like, I was scared to death. Don't bother him, man. He's a good guy.

He's a good guy, but he's really like always himself, proper, but he's always himself. But you know what? Growing up, like how he grew up and ting, and all the things that people took advantage of, some of his situation, he became very defensive of his circle and who he lets into his space

because when you're just living your life and you end up in a situation where you mean, I mean, I thought we were just hanging out. How come it led to that? And then so them things, them turn them guys into more like like especially so big too right like he don't like you know he don't know who's who anymore I thought he was a Miami guy he's a Miami guy like everything about Warren is Miami cut him he bleeds green. Well, we do bleed orange. I am also orange and green. I wanted you to claim it yourself. I wanted you to claim it yourself.

I also bleed orange and green. Yes, yes, yes. So be careful. Because you play for Rough Riders, right? In the CFL. In the CFL. When I played in Miami, I- But not football.

Not football. Football. American football. Holy moly. Let me tell you about my- Let me tell you the times I played. Okay. So I played football. Holy moly. Let me tell you about my limited times I played. Okay. So I played here at a high school. Palmetto Senior High School.

Big up to local. Yeah, Palmetto. That's not for us. Big up to local. Big up to Palmetto Senior High School. Palmetto. Okay. One name.

Okay. Won our district champs. I was a linebacker. I got a full scholarship to University of Miami. Wow. I was redshirted. My next year, I was a fifth-leading tackle on the team. I played outside linebacker.

I was fifth-leading tackle on the team. My sophomore year. What's this called? Well, right now is a perfect time. New Fantasy League? What is it called? We're talking about Underdog perfect time. New Fantasy League? What is it called? What are we talking about? Underdog Fantasy.

Underdog Fantasy League. We need you. Download the app. Underdog Fantasy app. Underdog Fantasy League. Where's my phone? Yeah. So, wow.

So, yeah, I led the team in tackles. I was a defensive player, linebacker. And then the Rough Riders you're talking about, I went to the CFL because I was kind of ineligible to go to the NFL just because of my rude ways. So I became ineligible. I wasn't particularly like, just do what you tell me type of guy. So I got in trouble. Wasn't the ganja?

Never that. It was more like, how you talk to me. You know what I mean? So then I fire, you know what I you know you can't talk to me certain ways so it's kind of like oh he's uncoachable not uncoachable you just can't talk to me like that i'm a grown you know i mean i just that's the lion thing so it did it did affect my ways but my son nico he got a full ride to tulane he actually he actually um played played the whole pre-seasons for the Redskins. Wow.

So at Tulane, he's like the top leading tackler, top 20 in their history. Wow. Number one in tackles for loss. He became a great linebacker. So he superseded what I wanted to do. So my children are better than me, obviously. All of them.

All right. So I love that. But yes, I was a linebacker. And Ray Lewis was my middle linebacker. Warren Stapp was my D-line. So I played them years. So I taught Ray Lewis. What a team. I can say that.

You can't make that. I need to back it up. Come on, come on. Did you just say you taught Ray Lewis? Absolutely. Get out of here. That's how it works. If I walk in before you, and you walk in and see me sitting there, who are you learning from? But that's just how it is.

Because I'm the man when Ray walked up in that school. I'm the man. And I'm the best linebacker that ever played at University of Miami. Sir Ray. It's a thing we have. But obviously, Ray Lewis is the greatest linebacker ever played a game.

But in college, we're talking about college. We're not talking about the world. We're just talking about you. So we're going to put that up. We're going to about the world. We're just talking about you, man. So we're going to put that up. We're going to put that up. Mano y mano. Okay. What do you call soccer?

I still call it soccer. You know, depends who I am and depends on my mood. I still call it soccer. Like you had it in the other time. It depends on what I'm talking to. I stayed in a hotel in Italy one time. And I said soccer. They was like, what?

Fucking American. I was like, Jesus. By the way, the hotel, I don't know if anybody could Google this and send me the link. It was a soccer hotel. Yeah. Right. So everywhere you went, it was TVs playing soccer. I was freaked the fuck out.

That's Europe. We're later on that. No, I'm talking about in the elevators. Yeah, it's big game. Probably a big game. But I grew up playing that. That's my sport. But you know what?

So what you better at, soccer or football, American? Well, you see, for me, you know, I never became what I wanted to become as an athlete I'm a failure as a I wanted to be a pro I really wanted to be a pro at one of these things

either sports? yeah I tried American football but I wasn't disciplined enough then no track and field? you know what when I

you won't believe this I actually in my high school I have the record for the 4x100 relay I'm a part of that team in my high school, I have the record for the four by 100 relay. I'm a part of that team. So I had some speed. I did the high jump.

Yeah, I did the high jump. That was my thing. So that was kind of my thing. So I played that. I did basketball. I played that. We don't believe you on a basketball tip at all. The way you just threw that shot up.

Nah, we don't believe you on that one. Anything else? You can pass it. You can't shoot. That's a left. That's a left though. That's a left. That's a left. That left was not good.

Nah, nah, nah. Martin the left, man. It's a left. Everything else was cool. Football. Football. Football. Football. I wanted to be an athlete.

I failed at being an athlete. I really did. I remember the day when I realized that I couldn't be an athlete anymore. I had to give up on my dream. After college, I went to be a roadie with my brothers because I wanted to be amongst my brothers. I was a roadie. I brothers because I wanted to be amongst my brothers, so I was a roadie.

I was trying to learn to be that, and things happened, and some other things in life took place. Then I went to Jamaica, and I tried out for the Jamaica national team. I wanted to be a soccer player, so I was working my way up through the club. I made the Premier League, one of the teams.

They're supposed to let you go through. No, they don't do that. They don't do that. It must have been hard. Yeah, it must have been hard let you go through no they don't do that they don't do that it must have been hard first of all they don't even know who I am you probably wanted it

that way yeah and then again they look at me like oh you play American football you don't know nothing about this

so obviously I got to prove a double proof and then again I'm Bob's son then again I'm a little older than everyone else

not everyone but I'm a little older because i went to college and so i'm like right in like that prime age you know and it's a young you thing so i was trying my dream was to play for jamaica i didn't make it to play for jamaica tore my hamstring then i moved to miami then i moved to los angeles I moved to Los Angeles, and that's when I got into business, and my brother, this is when I got into business, my brother Ziggy,

he asked me a question one day, he says, you know, let me ask you something, what do you want to do, you know, business or football, because I thought that,

after I rehabilitated myself, I was going to move to LA, and try out for LA Galaxy, that's what I'm trying, I was going to move to L.A. and try out for L.A. Galaxy. That's my dream. Wow. I was going to find a way. I met one of the guys. That's how I do things.

I meet a guy in the coffee shop. Hey, man. Oh, yeah, man. Hey, how I get a tryout? Can you? That's how I do it. It's not like some Marley thing. Right.

That's how it works. Network. As an athlete, it's not singing. You know what I mean? It ain't singing. But my brother asked me a question. He says As an athlete, it's not singing. You know what I mean? It ain't singing. But my brother asked me a question. He says, listen, let me ask you something. It's going to cost you $8,000 to do this collection.

I was designing tough gun clothing at the time. So he said, business or football? I got to make a choice. So in my mind, I think I'm like 31 years old. So I started to think about like, right then I had to make a decision. But what made me think even faster was like, listen,

I'm fucking too old. These motherfuckers, they're going to bench me. I'm going to be frustrated. There's going to be some young motherfucker there. So I'm going to go through this frustration again. Thinking I'm better than the guy playing. And I'm going to go through this frustration again, thinking I'm better than the guy playing, and I'm going to go through that all over again.

I said, I can't go through that again. I'm like, I did that, you know? I did, you know, that emotion. Sports is like that, man. So I had to choose business, and that's when I became an entrepreneur, was to add that ultimatum right there from my brother Ziggy.

And that's from like tough on clothing, starting Marley Coffee, room on the beach house. I got my own cannabis company now, Lion Order. It's out of Michigan, Detroit there. So I'm doing that. So I'm doing a lot of things. And then for my family,

I'm kind of like the brand ambassador kind of business development for the family. We have House of Marley where we have the headphones and everything Marley family. I'm kind of like one of the guys in regards to the business side. So not so much music, but all of the like extended products, like these art goods or whatever we have here. Some of these things, but these things are line order. What you see me like to show off.

Line order, that's your shit? That's my thing, Lion Order. Okay. That's the brand. Can we see the ring? Yeah, this is just the black lion, because the black lion is the king. That's right. So we just wear the black lion, you know?

We also see that Audemars Perpetual, too. We also see that, too, sir. Yes, that's nice. We talk about Roots Luxury, you know? We like the time, and we like to tell the good time. I'm taking that. I'm going to give you your publicity. I'm going to give you your publicity.

You're going to get all rights. All rights reserved. Okay, so you want to introduce the game? Yes. Yeah. All right, we're going to give you two choices. Yeah. We're going to run down a list.

You pick one. We don't drink. This is a drinking game. all right. We're gonna give you two choices. Yeah, we're gonna run down a list. Mm-hmm. You pick one We don't drink. This is a drinking game. All right, okay, but if you say Both if you don't pick one, basically we're drinking if I if I don't get one I so I gotta be truthful, right? Yeah, if you say one then nobody dream then, you know, we want to tell stories You could tell anything. Yeah. Yeah, that's you. Yeah, yeah. So what kind of game is this? It's called Quick Time with Slime, but it's never quick. I got to be fast? No, no, no.

It's just. It never is fast. All right, good. It's never fast. Let's try it. Okay, so we're going to start the first one. Tupac or DMX? The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.

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and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today. Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tupac. Okay. Just because of, you know what,

it's not fair to ask some of these questions to me because I'm always I'm always about that, like the older person's going to get the upper hand. I'm going to go Tupac for age preference, not necessarily

competitive in regards to who's a better lyricist, who's a better man. It's nothing to do with that. Strictly on age, so Tupac. Okay, Shabba ranks or Buju Bonton? I don't know why I put the accent on it. These are the things. It just jumps out at me, sorry.

Shabba is the elder statesman in that. These are truth. But in what capacity, like... Oh, see? It's whatever it is for you. Whatever it is for you. It could be a personal connection, it could be the music, it could be anything.

Wow. Or you could say both. Or you could say both, and we drink. Both, both. We got to drink. We got to drink. Both, drink to both. No, no, no, the shot, the shot, the shot.

Yeah, yeah. Shot, shot, shot, shot, shot. Salud, salute, salute. I don't even do shots. Drink champs. Okay, okay, I like this one. Nas, Nas or Jay-Z? Woo-hoo.

Your brother got the album with Nas, let's not forget. Nah, dad, I just waited you. You just gave me. Yeah, you can't do this. I'm drunk. I fucked up. I'm drunk. On drink champs, I'm drunk. I can't do this. I'm drunk. I fucked up. I'm drunk. On Drink Champs, I'm drunk.

I can't think straight. I can't think. Nah, I'm saying Jay-Z. Which one? Jay-Z. I love this. I love this. You know, in life, you have relationships.

Yeah. That's why people say both. Sounds like we're taking another shot. This is not right. This is not right. Whoa. Positive. Whoa.

That shit, that shit, that will frighten you. That fucking, the horn. It's like taking mushrooms. It's just like mushrooms. Wait, this is drink chaps or drunk chaps? Yes. So, you know, we're going to go with... Nas or Jay-Z?

Jay-Z. I'm going to go with Bull, just for this. Okay. Cheers. I'm going to go with Bull. Just for this. Okay. All right. We're going to go with Bull. Cheers. All right.

This one is a good one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like this one. Listen, by the way, I just wanted to let you know, we don't do it. You don't make up these questions. It's the Colombian and Dominican

right over there. You know, they make up these questions. The Colombian right there and the Dominican right there. What they do is they study you and then they make these questions. Let me make something clear here. Okay.

Because I'm an entrepreneur, I just want to make this truly clear. Let's be clear. You see me with my locks and everything on, so you know me. I'm a Rastafari. That's right. But be clear on this. I'm an entrepreneur. That's right.

So I do a lot of taste testing. Let's see where you're going. I spent some time in Jamaica on the cane field. You know, they had rum. Rum. So I did a taste test. All right. So I'm going to call this a taste testing.

Exactly what it is. Don't think this is something regular I do this is a taste testing what is this this is okay alright I hope I'm going to answer all these other questions it's for my health

I'm going to start picking answers here no problem super cat or Sean Paul that or light skin I'm going to start picking answers here. All right, yeah. There you go. No problem. Ready? Yes. You got it? Super Cat or Sean Paul? That or Lyskin? All right, Super Cat. Right now, I'm going like age.

Okay. I'm like going age first. So remember that. Okay. You got it? I got it. Let me take this one because I got a record. I love these guys.

I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. So wait, if I drink, if I say one, no one drinks? No one drinks. Yeah.

So wait, but y'all, wait, this is not fair. Yo, listen, you too small. You're not a fuck up our game. If you say both or neither, we drink with you. Yeah, we drink with you. No, no, no, no, no. There has to be a time. Okay.

That we drink? That we drink without you. We go drinking. I do like that, though. There has to be some scenario. Yes. Where you fellas, you grown-ass men,

don't trick me. Okay, we're going to figure this out. But let's just move on for now. Bounty Killer or Beanie Man? Did you guys watch Versus? Yeah. Who did y'all choose? We chose to get the police out of there when the police showed up.

We said, police, Get out of the yard I think Bounty wanted But Beanie wanted too I'm going to go both Go both Alright cool They both won

They both won I can't remember who's older Hey hey Jamaica won I don't know Jamaica won You said both He said both

Wait wait wait You said both You said both Twisting me up You're twisting me up Hey man Hey you can drink some roots right here. This is what I'm drinking.

Don't fall for it. My Moana. All right. This is just fine. Oh, this is all right. Fine. Let me do this. I'm going to win.

I'm going to win for real. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Cheers, cheers, cheers. All right. Next one is. Okay. Shottas or belly? Ooh. Salud. Salud. Cheers. Cheers. All right. Next one is. Okay. Yeah. Shottas or belly?

Ooh. I don't know what he knew. Well, that's easy. I'm going to go with shottas. Yeah, I knew he was going to say that. Shottas. You're gone too far. You're gone too far now.

You're almost the same exact thing. You're gone too far. You're gone too far. Next one should be easy. London or Miami? Miami. Yeah. Yeah, Next one should be easy. London or Miami? Miami. Yeah, that should have been easy. It should have been easier. Come on.

What do you mean? I just came from London. I'm here in Miami now. Yeah, big up London. So what else would I see? Yeah, right. And the police still don't got guns. In London? No, they got guns now. They do? They upgraded? I think they got guns now, bro.

Oh, shit. I didn't see any police. Oh, this is because they got drill rap. They got drill rap out there. Drill rap? Yeah, they got drill rap. We got drill rap over here, too. Yeah, and our police got guns.

All right. Next one. I can't see. This is yours. This is on you. Okay. This is on you. Oh, this is me.

I think he might be. Okay, let's figure it out. Jerk chicken or curry chicken? Or jerk or curry? No, he said they went to KFC. So let me see. How do I get y'all to drink now? Let me figure this out.

No, I'm going to drink a garlic. This one answers where. I got you. He's like, I'm going to get you on the street. It's one of the answers. I get all the trouble. This is a very good chicken or jerk chicken. Oh yeah.

I when I was young because you don't have a jerk pan at your house. Right. You don't have a jerk pan. So it's like it's a pan is just for just stays. Yeah, this is something to make the jerk. It's like. It's a pan that's just for jerks. It just stays just to make the jerk? It's tough, you know what, if you don't find the right guy, this is when I'm young, because if you don't jerk the chicken a certain way, it hurts your belly,

and we know what happens when you hurt your belly. Yeah. But because curry chicken, no, it's something you get for dinner at your house. So I'm going to have to go with curry chicken. I didn't expect that. Even though I don't eat chicken. That's why I said curry.

That's because as a youth, I'm not talking now. When I was young, I would eat curry because that's what I ate more. I ate a lot of curry chicken. That's what I cooked for dinner. I just got to ask you this. Have you ever ate a coconuts out here

in Hollandale? No, is it? Merrimark? They got vegan Jamaican food. Oh a coconuts out here? In Hollandale? No, is it? Merrimark? They got vegan Jamaican food. Oh, coconuts. I thought you meant the fruit. No, no, no, no. Coconuts.

I'm just saying. I want to find out. It's my spot. I want to find out. Is it really authentic? Yad Monkosani. Hey, let me ask y'all something. Y'all drinking water or y'all taking shots?

We drinking. But you never had coconuts? Okay. You never had vegan coconut? I don't know. I just feel like I've seen you there somewhere. I don't know.

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. The guy who owns the store is a real yacht. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Good food? Great food. Maybe I should,

give me the address. I'd like to explore. Yes, I love coconuts. I haven't been in a while, I still order. This is an easy one for you. Reggae or reggaeton? Reggaeton.

My Cuban girlfriend. I mean, you don't put a Cuban in front of reggaeton. I got Cuban girlfriend, man. We got guatón. Don't tell me you got guatón. Don't tell me you got guatón. Don't tell me you don't see me. Don't tell me. We got cool out on. Don't tell me.

Reggae, reggae, reggae, reggae, reggae. It's all the bass. It's the bass for a girl. Reggae based upon me. Okay. Just me. All right. In general.

Biggie or Big L? Biggie or who? Big L. Big L. Who's Big L? We can move on then. No, but fuck. Big L was. Maybe I? Big L. Big L. Who's Big L? We can move on then. No, but fuck. Big L was...

Maybe I know Big L. ...for Harlem. Yeah. Chilling in the corner down with Cameron on them originally. No way, I'm not good at that. Okay. I'm not...

We're moving on. Yeah, we're moving on from that. I mean, I'm not good at that one. I'm in college, man. I'm a football player, bro. I'm not even thinking about this stuff. You know what we played when I was in college? Them boys from Texas, they used to play Ghetto Boys.

Ghetto Boys. And the big album was when Drake, Chronic album. Yeah, the first Chronic. And then when Stoop Dog, that was like a, Doggy Dog. Yeah, that was like an album, like everyone was like, I remember chasing, I remember driving to places just to get that album.

So just to, because in my college, that was a culture. Get it, boys. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Mine's playing tricks on me. Yeah, you got the next three. Yeah, go for it. Capleton or Sizzler? What's this? What kind of question is this?

It's a trick question. You know it's been trick questions the whole time. Capleton or Sizzler question? It's a trick question. You know it's been trick questions those times. It's a Capleton and Sizzler question. It's a trick question. Give him my shot. Yeah, yeah. I like that. Shot to the shot.

All right. Let's do a pineapple mix. No problem. We doing bup, bup, bup, bup. You want to go both? Yeah. Salud to Capleton and Sizzler. Go ahead.

Go on both. Wow. Y' to talented ancestors. Go ahead, go on both. Wow, y'all filed for this one, bro. You're putting the family against each other? Listen, this is not, this is them. All right. Stephen Morley or Damien Morley? I'm two. I'm two.

I'm two. This is them. This is them. This is them. This is them. This is them. That's them. Y'all, I came in here on one love.

I'll take a shot for you. We got to take it. You know what? Y'all deserve to take a shot for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? We ain't even going to make you pay. You know what?

The disrespect. You know what? Listen, listen. You said it earlier. It's got to be a round where it's just us and you hit it on the head. This is it. And this is the only time that I've seen it. This is it. This is based on disrespect.

You're right about that. That was disrespectful. Oh, I like this one. Y'all in trouble, man. We talking your pay. Crazy. Marcus Garvey or Malcolm X? Wow.

Wow. All right. So Malcolm X? Wow. Wow. All right. So Malcolm X is born. I'm sorry. I'm born on Malcolm X's birthday, May 19. So obviously I love Malcolm X. But growing up, I knew more about Marcus Garvey as a Jamaican. And it's when I came to America, really really I started learning a lot about Malcolm X.

And that's from myself. So we like Marcus Garvey just because of popularity and the movement, Rastafarian movement, and those other things I've said before. I've read his books and such. Not a lot of his books, I'm not going to be upfront, but I've read some stuff. Marcus Garvey.

Patek or AP? Patek Philippe. I'm trying to sound French and shit. I'm assuming this is Ouattara. I don't know none about it. Who's that? Material. Material.

Material don't make you rich. Scratch watch or apple watch I don't really have choices like that because most of my things are gifts so both oh shit we're drinking for that for that

because his majesty we're Patek and I'm wearing the other stuff For that? I ain't drinking for that. Because His Majesty wore Patek, you know? Right, right, right. Haley Selassie wore Patek? Really? And I'm wearing the other stuff, so might as well drink for it. Yes, sir. Holy shit.

Yes, sir. Oh, yo, yo, yo, Roz, you slipping on your pimp? Oh, yo, you were supposed to tell me that, Roz. I'm offended. I'm offended that you didn't know Haley Selassie wore Patek. Yes, sir. We got to step it up. Yes, sir.

Drink to that. That being said. I ain't going to lie. Martin Luther had a lot of Rolexes. Did he? Yeah. Martin Luther King or Heli Selassie. What?

What did you say? Martin Luther King or Heli Selassie. It's the same thing as the one we had. You don't want to drink for that. I don't drink for that. We'll drink for that. Take a shot. Holy shish kebab.

Take a shot for that. That is called iron eye. I know that's disrespectful. Out of this world. Okay, you want to go to the next one? Like who even dare even mention these things? Dead friends or public enemy? Wow.

Wow, that's a good one. Wow. Sheesh. You're digging on us this time. Yeah, because I'm, you know, M1 is my bro. Yeah, no, those are great guys. And then Chuck D, it dig. And then my, you know, growing up,

like my brothers, you know, being in music, you end up meeting everyone on the side. You know, I'm the side. I'm like the side guy. Hey, that's my brother. Hey, what's up, man? You know? And they're like an extension of each other. I feel like Dead Prez is the extension of Public Enemy.

But Dead Prez used to come down to Jamaica in the early time, you know? I met them in Jamaica, actually. How could I be down when they did it in Jamaica back in the day? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you kind of like have an affinity to them, too. And then M1, again, is a virgin.

You know what M1 is already. You know what I mean? Boys, we have to go both. All right. We have to do both. We have to do both. I see where we're going with this, fellas. Can we do a...

Hey, where is it? We have a tester. What are we testing you can test it there's no problem Crabble did that from Migos he tried

he tried to test it oh yeah they try to think we don't drink but we okay okay alright I'm in for it

I'm in for it yes fine you can bring your diamond test out how about we we give you our liquor bring your diamond test out

yeah today you know what it's a heart string day too oh and today is my dad's B day it's your dad's birthday yeah so you know what? It's a heartstring day, too. Oh, and today is my dad's B-day. It's your dad's birthday, yeah. That's what's crazy, is I've been seeing you for years, and I've always wanted to give you your flowers.

I always wanted to tell you, you know. And yesterday, I forget exactly what happened. And then I was like, yo, can we push it? And then they say, you know what? It's Bob Marley's birthday tomorrow. Like, it worked out. And I was like I said yo can we push it and then they say you know what it's Bob Marley's birthday tomorrow like it worked and I was like wow if that's not divine because yeah it's factual like like how the day that I can get you give you your thank you for joining us it's on the day because you could have been like nah it's my pop's birthday. Oh, no, because I love this show, too, you dig? God damn it, we love you.

I watch it on time. No, no, we're going to give you your flowers. No, no, no, no, switch it on us. It's about you. It's about you. I'm going to take the flowers. Because, nah, you really deserve this, man. Like, you know, there's so many people, you know, there's air, what do they say, the air to the throne? You know what I mean?

Air, air, yeah. The air to the throne, right? There's so many people who don't who don't succeed to fulfill or try to fulfill another great man's shoes and to do it in your way

and to do it where you comfortable. Like you said, yo man, I don't really mess with the music like that, but I'm on the business and everything else. It's the honest way of doing it and this is your way of being I and I being And you're doing it man like I kid you not from Angela ye to everybody They always just say oh man You know every time they get they want to go to your hotel and support you and be like it and there's so many great people that so

Bigger my man Chris Jones man a lot of people don't know I love Chris Jones his father's famous as fuck so I know y'all can relate it's just a shot just standing right there I gotta take it it's just a shot I really wanted

to give you your flowers man you guys get one that's standing out there back there? You guys get one that's standing out there. And I'm going to get the one that's... On the question stuff. Yes, yes, yes. You're not going to bring me into your... Keep the

flowers over here. Okay, alright, next one. Shaggy or Mr. Vegas? Shaggy, Shaggy. Next one is yours. Shaggy or Mr. Vegas? Shaggy. Shaggy. Next one is yours. Shaggy. That's easy. You don't want to take this one?

No, I don't want to take this one. I feel like Ross should take this one. Yeah, Ross, say it. It's pineapple, ginger, or sorrel. So you just said it. Go ahead. No, I fucked up. Wait.

Wait, hold on. Pineapple, ginger, or sorrel? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what sorrel is. What is that? Pineapple, ginger is together. Rightapple ginger or sorrel? Yeah. I don't know what sorrel is. What is that? Pineapple ginger is together. And then sorrel is separate. Sorrel is the flower, right? It's a Christmas drink. When you're in Jamaica and this is what they make on Christmas.

Hibiscus. It's hibiscus. Oh. It's like the pulp of the hibiscus. But I used to talk to you about the scent, right? Of my father, right? Imagine smelling pineapple ginger, wood, and some stew. That's what you smell.

So pineapple ginger is like reminding me of my father. I love the scent. Yeah, like that's probably one of the house scent. You go in the studio, you smell that. They call you in the kitchen making them. is like reminding me of my father. Those are Pops' scent. Yeah, like that's probably one of the house scent. You go in the studio, you smell that, they call you in the kitchen making them. Right.

Pineapple gin is like a, it's always reminding me of my father. So pineapple gin, I love that for that and it's health purposes, of course, but I like that. I like to,

it takes me to the 70s, you know? You got to come to my wife's juice bar, Juicy Juice Bar in Hollandale. We got, my wife got a juice bar. Dope. That's where we do pineapple gin.

You all do delivery stuff too? Yeah, we ain't not to your crib. My wife got a juice bar. Dope. That's where we juice pineapple ginger. You all do delivery stuff too? Yeah. We ain't nothing. That's your crib. You're just a little far. Yeah. He got something by me. No, we come figure it out, though.

You say he in the beach. No, I ain't telling nobody. I don't know. But I know your family down south. I'm famous too. I grew up in Pinecrest. I went to FedEx and I saw the fam one day. I went to FedEx.

We grew up going to them type of places. Yeah. Well, definitely come to the juice bar. Yeah, because pineapple ginger is in effect. And we got sorrel too. Sorrel is good, but it's not as, I mean, sorrel is nice, but it's not like if you ask my favorite thing, I'd go for pineapple and ginger. Okay.

Pharrell or Kanye? Any way you want to pick. Evil? It's these motherfuckers. Yeah, yo. It's Columbia, the stiff self. Yo. Wow.

Sheesh. Them type of questions when you like, if people were your friends, if they even liked some of the stuff you used to do. No, I don't think they like it at all. They're not your friends. Those guys people were your friends, if they even liked some of the stuff you used to do. No, I don't think they'd like it at all. They're not your friends. Those guys are not your friends over there. Oh, the motherfucker. That's a good one because those are a really good comparison based upon, because obviously in regards to the fashion side. Fashion side.

I knew you was going to go there. It's a thing because that type of, that street culture, that high luxury stuff where they play around in, you know? And then as a music creative, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're even connected to music. Yeah, as creatives,

as music builders, you know what I mean? Like producers. Wow, that's a tough one. Take a shot? You're leading the witness, man. Which one to shot for again? Pharrell or Kanye, you just wanted to be cool with both.

If I want to be cool with both? He said you want the gear from both of them. I'm going to go both together. I'm going to go. I guess. Although, listen, I'm going to pick it for Pharrell. We're doing the shot us right now. Yeah, we're going to do a shot because, you know,

it's one love. Yeah, it's one love. It's one love, you know what I'm saying? Because I've been trying to get into the new... Yeah, I took my ride, yeah. The Louis Vuitton cowboy shit.

Oh, no, no, no. I'm not into that shit either. Yeah, I'm not into that. But if you talk about, like... I'm not into that stuff. He tried. He tried to do it. I saw him over there.

And he put the ripped hat on. Beyonce killed it. Beyonce killed him over there. He put the ribbon hat on. Beyonce killed it. Beyonce killed the cowboy hat. But I realized only Beyonce could do it. You know who's dope? You know who's awesome? Oswald Boateng. You know, he makes suits up in Savile Row in London.

Oh, wow. Oswald Boateng from... Oswald Boateng. Yeah, he's super fucking sharp to the T. Growing man stuff. Okay. That good stuff, too. Yeah, he's a super fucking sharp to the T. Grown man stuff. Okay. That good stuff too. I like everyone's things.

I like, you know, who I also like, Jerry Lorenzo, you know, from, what's his brand? Fear of God. Fear of God.

Essence, Fear of God. Essentials. Yeah. Yeah. Fear of God is dope. I remember Jerry in L.A. when he used to run the nightclub scene

and thing. Wow. I lived out in L.A. when he used to run the nightclub scene and ting. Wow. I lived out in L.A. And then to see him like, you know, and Jerry come from, his father's a baseball player from, I think, Dodgers or something. That's super baseball, MLB. Jerry, you know me, been around sports a long time. So he kind of inspired by that athletic wear that he's doing. So I like what Jerry's doing.

He's one of my guys, too. So I'm glad you didn't throw him into the mix. Yep. Okay. And we did take a shot for that, right? Yeah, you did. We skimmed a couple. We'll take a smoke for one of these.

Yeah, please. Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock? All right. Dave Chappelle. Analog or digital? Analog. What happened? Hey, I got an iPhone.

Podcast or radio? Podcast. Because you know what? We got to move with the times. And I like this show. God damn it. We love that. Thank you.

Gregory Isaacs? Or Peter Tosh? Oh, oh, oh. I guess we're drinking for that. Peter Tosh, Peter Tosh, Peter Tosh, Peter Tosh. Method Man or Red Man? They're brothers. That's true, that's why we said.

Like what do you do? You got to do both. Okay. That's one thing you can't like, that's one, you just can't put those guys against each other. No, you can't. That's like another, that's something, wait a minute. Those are great. It's one of them things that you should drink on your own for.

No, no, no. That's a trick question. No, no, no. That's a trick question. That's like a trick question. No, no, no. How do you, that's a trick question. Okay.

Love or fear? Ooh. You'd rather be loved or feared? That's like a trick question. No, no, no. How do you? That's a trick question. Okay. Love or fear? Ooh. You'd rather be loved or feared? All right. This is where the rubber meets the road. I'm going to tell you why, though. Love.

Okay. Because why love? You see a lion? You have to love me. But you yourself know you fear me. You dig? So it's love first because I walk in dominion and I walk in love with myself. But you on the outside, when you look on this lion, you know it's fear.

But it's truly love. So because we're ever ready. You know what I mean? but it's truly love so because we we're ever ready you know what i mean but it's really love but we're lions and that's how we say lion order that was all right ended with this one yeah um yeah yeah Yeah. I got to take a pee-pee. Yeah, yeah. I got to take a pee-pee too. Not in an interview. We're in a quick time. It's live. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty. He said that fast.

Yeah. Because with loyalty comes respect. Because, you know, first you have to have the loyalty, then the respect will, you know,

respect is subjective. Because some things you do through love and through loyalty. And then it becomes like, I respect this man because I love this person. And I'm loyal to this person because of love. So it's really, you know, it's always got to be loyalty. Loyalty, you know, it's just truth. I'll take a shot to that.

Yeah, I'm taking a shot. You ain't supposed to take a shot. I ain't going to lie. You got mad smart. Yeah, that was hard. You got smarter? Yeah to take a shot. I ain't going to lie. You got mad smart. Yeah, that was hard. You got smarter? Yeah, that was smart. I ain't going to lie.

I'm going to take a shot. Go ahead. You want to do it together? No, no, no. Because you know what's on my mind? I got to use bathroom too. It's on my mind. I got to use bathroom too. It's on my mind. I got to say this out.

One thing about Jamaicans, right? Yeah. Jamaicans always had juice bars wherever I was at in my hood. And they would be the most health conscious people. Yeah, preaching it. Preaching it to everybody. And at the same time, selling me butt. Who says it's not health driven?

Nope, I didn't say it's not. All right. But. That's tackling mental health. I give you, you know, in the hood, a lot of people can't afford to go to the doctors. So what they do is they go to their local juice bar. And I remember, I tell this story all the time. It's the reason why I believe in Tiger Bone and I believe in pills.

Believing it and drinking it every day is two different things. But okay. I went to a juice bar one day. The police came. I ran into the juice bar. I did not realize that the juice bar was the weed spot so I'm running into

where they fucking they're going they're raiding you I'm running from them running into where they're going like an idiot they're whole idiots so I get outside

and the police say to me uh well what was you doing in there yeah I was like I was buying Tiger Bone yeah and the police is like

oh okay great I didn't know Tiger Bone was illegal at the time. They run in, whatever, whatever. The next day I come up, I say, yo, what the fuck happened? They said, some idiot told the police we were selling Tiger Bone. I was like, that was me. They was like, Nori, this is illegal.

So anyway, that same week, a guy comes to the same health school spot, and he hugs this man. I've never heard of this. Listen, listen, listen. He hugs this man, and when he hugged him, I've never seen a man hug another man. This platonic. This is platonic. Yeah. But this was like, and he said to him.

Like an embrace. It was like, he started crying. So I looked, and I was that curious. I was like, yo, my man, I've never seen one straight man hugging another straight man like that. Like, what happened? He said, he said, he said, my dick didn't work for seven years. He told this story here. He said, I told my, this is the guy saying this to me.

He said he told his wife to cheat on him because he couldn't please her. But this man got ginger root and fucking tiger bone and these pills from these Rastafarians. And this man said, I'm fucking like a rabbit right now. And look, he's crying his tears. This is a rabbit right now. And I'm looking. He's crying. His tears. This is a grown man. This is a grown man. Beyond years, I can't even tell you what type of 60s

he was in. Even the silver status. Yeah, yeah. He had you beat. His shit was gray everywhere. His shit was gray. He's a culture. He started living the Rastafarian culture. It's a culture. And he start living the Rastafarian culture. It's a culture. And man, this guy is somewhere butt naked.

I'm telling you. Eating mangoes. No meat. You know why it's the culture? What's the most important thing to us as human beings, men or women? To reproduce? No, having a partner, right?

Like a wife or a husband, right? All right. Why? For procreation. For, yeah. So it's the most important. Fornication. Got to relax.

Not fornication. That's what the crowd is saying. It's a form of love. It's an exercise. It's an exchange. How you show love to each other. Right. But you have to be able to do that.

Right. You got to be able to service your, you have to, I mean, you have to just be able to, you know, provide. You got to do that. You got to, I mean, you have to just be able to provide. You got to do that. You got to do that. You got to get it up, guys.

Yeah, facts. Our culture is like that. Everything you drink, everything you eat is all based around that. You drink fish water for this. You drink okra for this. All the root is for that. Everything is for that. Everything is around the productive organs.

Yeah, everything. Every Jamaican friend of mine always says, it's for your whang. Everything. Everything, my Jamaican friend. Yeah, it's for the whang. Everything, everything. You drink water.

It's because of that. You last longer. Why can because of that. Your life's long. Why can't it last this long? Your life's long. Hold on, let me use the bathroom too. You got to use the bathroom? No, I'm fine. Okay, hold on.

So I guess, all right, well. Yo, can you put it, can you make, can you put it in me? What's that? You know what? What is that? You don what? What is that? You don't smoke blinds. No, I don't smoke blinds. You know, my lungs are still in the 90s.

I'm sorry. My lungs haven't grown up. My lungs have not grown up. But I see you running though, which I love. Yeah, I'm trying, man. I see you running every morning at 5 or 8 a.m. I'm jealous. Yes, yes. No, you make me jealous.

You motivate us. We can drink, but you know what? We got to have a balance in life. No, you motivate us. It's good to see you doing that. I like to run on the beach myself. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you.

We're going with your man, Warren Sapp, on the bike. Nobody's in our way. Yeah. Move out the bike lane. Warren stays moving. Yeah. I like it the way it is.

Your son has a hit record out now. Huge hit. Yeah. I mean. How can you and Lauren not have a son with a hit record? It just has to go. It goes along with it. I must say this, though.

Commend Miss Lauren Hill because when you talk about, like, I only know certain people like this, right? And it's just, I mean, you know, obviously it's my son, you know, but, you know, she's his mother.

And you know what her craft is. Absolutely. But I only know certain people like this, and it's one of the reasons why when I was young, I always made it my point to never interfere with Macille's music. I take a backseat to her music because she's super great. And you talk about Public Enemy. I remember when Chuck D said,

Lauren's like the female Bob Marley. And you talk about public enemy. I remember when Chuck D said, like, Lauren's like the female Bob Marley. He was, you know, he's right about that. Yeah. He's truly right because she's like

really that person. And when you talk about someone that stands on principle, you know, like, because, like I said,

at some point in life, you got to, like, own yourself, you know? You're got to own yourself. That's why she's so oblate. She don't give a fuck. She let fuck down. I'm here when I want to get here.

No, not really like that. No, I'm just playing around. Because as a musician, because sometimes you're going through stages, right? And then it so happens that you still have to do your this, but you're still going through your own mind and solidifying your consciousness in regards to walk in this way that you see as your way. And no one believes in your way because it's not your way. So you have to kind of own your way. And it's new to you because it's a vision that you have for yourself, right? So this way is new to you.

So for you to attain this way, you have to do it and people are going to say, oh, she's this, she's that. But then again, you're in your mind and then you got to perform. So sometimes there's a delay

because of all the accolades, all the attributes that go along with that, the attire and this and that. The timing is always, you know, maybe you get up at one and you got to be on stage at eight,

but you take five hours to do this. So you know timing wise. Yes, of course. But today and been through that and seeing her in Brooklyn performing with the Fugees again, Lauryn Hill and the Fugees. Fire. It was just like watching.

See the Fugees back together. You know what? The greatest rap band ever in history is the Fugees. Yes. Hands down. So to see them on stage together again and Lauryn Hill and the Poojies. They're like all Bob Marley sons. They're like descendants.

Yeah, that's kind of crazy. I didn't even look at that until you just said that. Yeah, that's real. So it is what it is. But to see now YG and to watch YG Marley, because his name means young gong. My dad is tough gong. Junior gong.

Junior gong. Young gong. So, I mean, but YG, like, is special, you know? Right. Wow. My brother Stephen, when he was young, he called him Jajash. Yeah, he's baptized in the river, the Orthodox river, by the same priest that baptized my father, all of us.

Wow. Ethiopian Orthodox. So yeah, we're all Orthodox, you know. But he's special, you know. He grew up in Jersey, South Orange. But he's rough. Right. Because, you know, there's no better roses.

He grew up in South Jersey? South Orange, yeah. And Newark, South Orange. Went to, like, Columbia High School and thing, and thing. And Newark, South Orange, went to like Columbia High School and thing and thing. And then places. So he grew as like an independent youth still, finding his way. Because as his parents, we don't really try

to do what you did. Like, find his own way. Yeah. Fox. So to, I mean, and then you know, first when I heard the song I was like, wow, Josh. Wow, we got to clear this. Who do you think had more pressure? You trying to be great in your world or him trying to be great in his world?

Oh, man, he don't have no pressure, man. No. He don't have no pressure. His mother paved the way. I did what I had to do. His father, grandfather, legacy, he ain't have no pressure. His mother paved the way. I did what I had to do. His father, grandfather, legacy, he ain't got no pressure. Can't you see how cool he is? But it ain't because of that.

It's because of his own life, his own experiences. Being that, and then remember, right? Lauren Hill is his mother. Listen to all the stuff in the media about your mother, whatever they say about your father, but listen to how they try to hurt your mother because she don't confine

to the system. And listening to that and going to school and you still have to be the lion that you are. It's like, yeah, fuck that. I'm taking a shot. Yeah, I have to take a shot for that bomb buckler. I'm taking a shot.

I'm taking a shot for that. Oh, that was so powerful. They tried to destroy Lauren because Miss Hill, pardon me, they tried to destroy Miss Hill's work and legacy because she didn't want to do another, miseducation the way they wanted her to do it. She wanted to make music as her evolution. So through that

now, they would, you know, so you know the thing. But she ain't going to bow to that. She's a real queen in that industry. And she's, and people say, oh, we don't, well, if you're a true Lauryn Hill fan, you know that whether she's not

at the same time that you guys want her to be on stage right but she's been touring ever since and still touring today yes so she's like to me she's like the band like she built a career like the grateful dead right she's not like a woman she don't chase no interview right shane that's That's a good comparison. But now it's so beautiful to see her create her art and teach Joshua the way and bring Joshua on stage to open for the Fugees reunion and learning on the Fugees to give him a way and give him a spotlight and guide him, help him to orchestrate his music. She's a G, a real G, like real G, help him to orchestrate his music. Like kind of, you know, she's a G, a real G, like real G, bro, bro. Like she's, ew.

Like she's like top notch. Let's take a shot for Miss Lauren Hill. I like who you call though. Miss Hill. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Miss Hill. You got to call her by her name, Miss Hill. That's her name.

You know some people go by this and that. She go by that. Cheers, fellas, cheers. Cheers to Miss Hill. I'm taking another one, God damn it Hill. That's her name, you know some people go by this and that, she go by that. Cheers fellas, cheers. Cheers to Miss Hill. Yeah man. Respect. Holy shit.

And we had prize on. We had Wyclef. We had Wyclef, Wyclef. Brothers, brothers. Yes. My brothers. Yes. Both of them been great.

We would love to have Miss Hill. We would love to have Miss Hill. Please. We're not asking you, we're just saying it. We would love to have Miss Hill. Please. We're not asking you. We're just saying it out loud. You look at us like we were asking you. We wasn't asking you. You looked at me like, no, no, no.

Don't look at me. I'm not wrong. We're not asking you. We're asking the gods. There's a reason I say Miss Hill. Trust me. No, I say Miss Hill. Trust me. No, I don't know. Hey, I'll tell you, that's the respect I have, right?

Because trust me, I don't want no interruption. But I will do a copy piece. Good. This is from... No, I didn't write this. Nah, man. I have nothing to do with this. Yes, nah.

I'm just sharing. I will, for sure. I'll share that. And then, obviously, because people always try to pin you to a time. You know what I mean? And like you said, oh man, I read the comments, oh this guy, I remember this guy. Because the one thing for sure though,

she don't like when I talk about this, but I like to talk about it because it's a fact. I remember these people, I see this guy, this keyboard player, he's always such a great guy, whatever, whatever. But anyway, he wasn't around when Miss Hill was doing Miss Education of Lauryn Hill. And I remember when those Newark guys, they were like, one guy was a programmer. She don't like when I talk about it, but I'm going to talk about it anyway because they like to paint her in this image. I remember she taking the programmer, talented programmer, drum programmer, you know?

Right. Took him out of Newark and he had a brejee named Kilo, and they created this Newark entertainment group. I remember them and the two twins. I was there. She brought him upstairs to her place in Newark, and kind of like, because she really can't program the drums, but she knew her sound.

She knew what she wanted. And those guys can swing it with her swing and thing. Like Michael. Michael didn't know how to play music, but he would hum the music. She can swing it where her swinging thing is like michael michael didn't know how to play music but he would hum the music she could swing it she right so so the time when those guys you know they they oh miss you we want to want such and such and this because when she met them she said to those guys that you know i'll get you guys a publishing deal with sony but you but my music is my music and after she did her, the guys came back and tried to sue her.

But because Miss Hill at the time was doing her sabbatical, sabbatical meaning she got in depth within the Bible. She's really one of them people. Bob Marley take on Rastafari. It's just another way, you know, she just take on the truth. Like, through them Old Testament ways, she just take on this life

to build her true foundation of self and what she believed in. But she was in that wavelength. The system was able to take advantage of her, right? Because she didn't really defend anything. She said, whatever. She was like the material, like she was in that space. She said that.

Yes. Well, you know, but those guys know that. And because it didn't have to be that way. And they know that. And they still, you know, sometimes they beg me for forgiveness. Not in those words, but. Right, right. I mean, you know, sometimes they beg me for forgiveness. Not in those words, but. Right, right. I mean, you know, they call me sometimes and I say, Mr.

You know, such and such and such. Oh, no, it's all whatever. You know, because as a musician and the type of musician that she is, she needs like certain type of musician. But these people, the problem with these guys, they want to be Mr. Star guy on your project. And I'm like, she's telling these guys, no, no, no, no, no. I like you because you know your knowledge for music and the way you strum and I like your sound, but I need you to strum this.

Uh, uh, uh, uh. I need that from you. Don't give me that. But this Uh, uh, uh, uh. I need that from you. Don't give me that. But this is, no, no, no. And so that little ego thing, because, oh, but no, I've been studying music. I went to music school. I don't give a, you could have went to. She's the conductor, and they're not letting her conduct.

Right. So that burned their ego. And she don't play. She don't care. She's like, all right, you know what? Oh, I'm Mr. I work with such and such. Who give a fuck who you work with, mom She's like, all right, you know what? Oh, I'm Mr. I work with such and such. Who care who you work with, Mama G?

Like, who care who you work with? I don't give a, who care? So she get a bad rap for those things, but she's a true G, you dig? And she don't play and she's a woman and she stand up for her rights as a woman in the industry and she don't let nobody take advantage of her. You know what I mean?

Her word is bond, like that. And what she says is what she believes in. And she's one of them type of people. So when you look at YG, you look at Sailor, Sarah, Joshua. Joshua is YG. You dig? Zion.

And then again, our young son. You got kids together? We? This is your kids together, you think? Yeah, we have five. Okay, yeah. Wow. Together. Beautiful children. You have a kids together? We? Is your kids together you think? Yeah, we have five. Okay, yeah. Wow. Together.

Beautiful children. You have a daughter, right? I have seven children before, and now I have five other ones, so I have 12 total. I have seven grandchildren and two on the way. So I have a long, big family. You do.

And they're all beautiful people. Is that one? big family. You do. And they're all beautiful people. So Lauren and I, we have Zion first, then we have Selah, then we have Joshua, then we have John, then we have Sarah. And Lauren has a son. Micah. Micah. Big respect to Micah.

He's not my child, but he's born on July 23rd, and July 23rd is the birthday of Haile Selassie I. Oh, my Leo. Yeah, so I have to love him. Yes. Even though he's not, I love him same way. He's not my child.

Oh, okay. And it's after myself and Miss Lauren, you know, we traveled, we journeyed apart, but I love him the same way. He's her son, and he's a truly intelligent boy, too. So that's how you know the super intelligence of Ms. Lauren Hill. Her mother is a school teacher, school principal. Father is a computer scientist. Brother is a tech guy.

Smart family, man. Ivy League. She went to Columbia University for a time. Super intelligent people. Trust me. Oh my God. I respect you. I feel now officially. Respect intelligence. Respect intelligence.

So. I love intelligence by the way. Yes. Just want you to know. Yes. I'm inspired by intelligence. I learned how to use a computer after college at Miss Lauren Hill's house. After college? After. I knew nothing about this thing.

How does he teach you technically shit? I'm playing football, man. He was a jock. He was a jock. Man, I couldn't do both. I mean, today, I commend the kids that are doing both. The one that studied football at the same time.

Good for you, man. Good for you. Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. Someone asked me this question the other day. They say, would I ever be starstruck? And I say, yes. Just probably two people in this world I'll be starstruck with.

Yeah. Larry David from Curb Your Enthusiasm. Last season, right? Yeah. It's his last season. I think I will walk out the room if Larry,

I think I will run out the room because I don't want to meet him because if he's a dick, it'll fuck up everything. That's a good one. Larry David, wow. Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld

really wow as a musician you're really a comedian no he is he has that you're a comedian if I could watch something all day if you come to my house

it's either Curb Your Enthusiasm or Seinf something all day, if you come to my house, it's either Curb Your Enthusiasm or Cypher. Wow. Intelligent. All day. That type of comedy is intelligent. Absolutely. Very wise.

I recently met David Chappelle. Wait, hold on. Sorry. Go ahead. Is there anybody you starstruck? Who? Have I met them or people in general? In general. Both.

All right. Okay. All right. I remember this is when I knew, like, this is when I, like, really knew something because, you know, I came to America in 1984. And this is when I, like I I knew this was like okay because I'm in Jamaica watching these things

and you know it was a victory tour and the tickets in Miami you can't go to this concert victory tour Michael Jackson and his brothers

wait the Jackson 5? the victory tour it's called victory tour man you guys doing music? you guys doing music? you guys streaming music? Michael Jackson and his brothers. Wait, the Jackson 5? The Victory Tour. It's called Victory Tour, man. You guys doing music? You guys doing music? You guys streaming music stuff? Yes, yeah. Yeah, but we was youngins too back then.

All right, whatever, man. I'm young too. So the Victory Tour. But I remember. Jackson 5. Yeah, I remember, right? They were older too. Watching the news at my grandma's house in Miami.

I just came here. I think it's like 86. They were older too. Watching the news at my grandmother's house in Miami. I just came here. I think it's like 86. Yeah, it's got to be like 86. I mean, something like that. Because when I was young, I wanted those zippy, zippy pants like Michael Jackson had, you know? I remember watching him on the news and he bust the moonwalk. And I remember my skin, the goosebumps. I was like, wow.

So like that. You were still brown skin at that time. Michael Jackson, right? And then the other person is like a superhero to me. This person is like, there's this one is obviously i never met bruce lee but do the drum roll for this and my son and i we have problems about these things don't start the drum roll buddy okay

i mean we're in number 23. Oh, Jordan. Wow. You never met Jordan. I met Jordan. Yeah, he met Jordan. But, the most awesome human being I know,

like, you talk about like starstruck, like, wow. I remember like Lauren, she was getting an award for N-C-A-P. N-A-A-C-P. N-A-A-C-P? N-A-A-C? No, he's like, I want to fuck that up.

All right, N-A-A-C-P. You got to be drunk and still get that right. That's how I made that shit up anyway. If you check me over that shit, fuck that. The guy that owned that shit, he's not even a writer. All right, N-A-A-C-P. Yes, man. Fuck that. The guy I own actually is not even a writer. Okay. All right. N-W-A-C-P. Yes, man.

So Lauren is getting an award, and they're honoring Michael Jordan. So Lauren's dad, he says to me, Miss Hill's dad, well, this time it's Lauren for me. Whatever. At that time. At that time. We're talking about time period. You're married at the time. Yes. At that time. Right, right, right. We're talking about time period. Right, right. You're married at the time. Yes, as you say.

Right. So Lauren's dad said, you won't believe this. Guess who you're sitting next to? I said, who? He says, Michael Jordan. I said, get the fuck out of here. You didn't know you were sitting next to him? No, because we had the front row.

I mean, remember, Lauren is the top of the top. Yeah, absolutely. So it's Lauren, and then it's Michael Jordan, and then his wife, Cookie. Cookie? No, not Cookie. No, I'm sorry. What's Michael's wife's name at the time? Juanita. Okay.

Juanita, I believe. Juanita's there. I think so. So I'm looking. I can't believe fucking Michael Jordan. It's like, I can't believe fucking Michael Jordan. It's like, I can't fucking believe this shit. But this is the time when he had cut his finger with the cigar opener. I know his history, right?

So he was rearing a band. So I'm like, hey, you coming back? Of course, I introduced myself, you know, bomb, bomb. November 2nd, 1984 was the victory tour. Yeah. What number is November 2nd? Yep, 1980. Yeah, I just came to America August 1984.

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No, I can't believe. He's going on tour, motherfucker. No, I got expelled out of school. Jesus. And that's how I ended up in America. I didn't even tell you that part of my life. But anyway, it's another time for that. But MJ, Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson, I would say outside of my family,

are like two of my heroes, heroes, heroes. Like, I remember Warren Sapp. So you're saying you met both MJs. I never met Michael Jackson. But you went to the tour? No. I saw him on the news, and my skin had the goosebumps. And saw him do the moonwalk.

But when I was young, I mean, I wanted the parachute, the jacket. I wanted that stuff. I wanted the Michael Jackson. The thriller joint. Yeah, like the Billie Jean beaded. The red or the black jacket? Uh-huh. The red or the black jacket?

You get very specific, bro. Red, red, red, red, red. You're way too specific. Red. Red is the thriller. Red is thriller. Red is thriller. Says a lot about you because, look, the black one.

How does that say a lot about you? It's a lot. What does it say? The black one, you might still rob somebody. The red one, you're going to the left. The left?

We don't know. To the left? To the left? We don't know where the left went. At dagger. I'm red. Because fire. Yes.

You a prodigy. Yes, sure. Give him up. Recipe. Bless him up. Yeah, sure. Give him up. Recipe. Bless him up. Bless him up. Bless him up. So yeah,

so those are my, I would say, people that I think very like, as I just, yeah, man. I remember Warren Sapp one day, right?

He called me on FaceTime. Hey, Ro, I got somebody for you. And he put Michael Jordan on FaceTime. Hey, Ro. I got somebody for you. And he put Micah Jordan on FaceTime. Oh, shit. I was like, yo! Hey, man! They at the golf course?

No, they were on the boat. I'm sitting in the back of a fishing... Rich shit, my bad. Yeah. So I was trying to tell him that story. Hey, man, I remember meeting you, blah, blah, blah. So I was like, hey, man, shut up. Damn, shut up! So, blah, blah, blah. Sap's like, hey, man, shut up. Damn, sap.

Sap cut me off. But the problem was, you know, you can't take up too much time with this man. So he's like, what are you saying? I'm trying to tell him my story. Hey, man, hey, I met you and so and so. Sap is like, bro, he can't hear that shit. Later. No, Sap is the type of guy, you'd be in full conversation, yo, Sap, such and such, all right, bro, I'll see you later. Right, yeah, yeah, all right.

What? That's Sap, that's Sap, that's Sap. Yeah, Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson. That's the only people you're a fan of. No, I mean, Pele. I met Pele. Soccer player. Pele, like soccer.

When you talk about, I'm an athlete still, you dig? How about Messi? Yeah, I mean, remember, I'm a little older, so I always go all the way to Pele, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho. I'm Brazilian players. But Messi, I do like. But I'm more of a Brazilian guy. Where's Messi from?

Argentina. I'm Brazil. And then was it Ronaldo Cristiano was his name? I mean, I like Cristiano because he's a legend. He's one of the most famous football players in the world. But I'm a Brazilian. I mean, I like Christian because he's a legend. He's one of the most famous football players in the world. But I'm a Brazilian. I mean, I like Brazil. Have you been to Brazil?

Yeah. I have a daughter from Brazil. He came to my birthday party. You're out of control, bro. You're out of control. He came to my birthday party. From Brazil. I bet you we could say any continent.

I feel like he's going to be like, well, I have a kid from that. He tried. Yo, I just said, you ever been to Brazil? He said, yeah, I have a daughter in Brazil. I do. Her name is Maria. I feel like we could be like, well. Cheers to my Brazilian daughter, Maria.

Cheers, cheers, cheers. But I feel like, I fear if we say the moon, you might be like, yes, the moon. I have a child in the moon. I was in Jupiter. I told you about my, you know,

I am into UFOs. Cheers. Cheers to that. Cheers to those. So who has more kids, you or your pops? Well, you know, my dad,

the father to the world, but naturally, he had, you know, nine, 11 children. Is that, is that the Rastafarian way to procreate? world, but naturally he had, you know, 11 children. Is that the Rastafarian way to procreate? No, it's not really a Rastafarian way to procreate. I mean, I think it's everyone's way.

Right, right, but I'm saying in that magnitude. Well, guess what happens? I'm just having to be honest. Well, guess what happens, right? Say, like, for instance, as a human being, I have a girlfriend, right, or a woman that I consider I'm going to be with this woman for a long time. Right.

So we're naturally having intercourse. And if you have intercourse over a period of time, a lot of times, naturally, there's going to have certain results. Right. And they're going to be positive. It's going to be like you're a child. Life happens.

So over a certain period of time, it just happens that you have children with the woman you're with. So it's like that. It's like being with someone and having a child. And then naturally, when you're younger, when you're much younger, right, you're trying to find yourself too. And so sometimes you do things where

you don't say you're right or wrong, you just feel like it's the right way because who's to tell you it's the wrong way, right? So you're figuring it out for yourself. So you think this woman is the woman you want to be with, and then the person along the way changes their ways, or you change your way towards this person. Naturally.

Yeah, so it doesn't work out. So you end up being with someone else, and then you have another child, and then it doesn't work out. Then you end up being with someone else, and you have another child, and then it doesn't work out. And then it just being someone else and you have another child and then it doesn't work out. And then it just happens to not work out

some of the times until it works out. How do you manage fathering the children? That was the best birds and the bees conversation I've ever heard about. Well, how you manage them is just like you manage your friends, right? Right, right.

So friends, family, how you manage life. Some people don't have children. They manage. Have you ever seen a dog walker? Have you ever seen one that walks like 15 dogs? How you manage that? That's what he does.

So I, as a father, I live for my children. My life is to raise children. That's what I live of. I love that. I want to raise a champion. It's like my..., I want to raise like a champion, you know, so like, it's like my, when I get to mold, that's like my purpose in life,

like the things I do is for that. And then again, it's also a form of procreating and truly, some instances were love, some instances were just, happens. But you know, now I'm more disciplined. My human girlfriend ain't playing that. Like, why not? She's not going to play, bro.

She don't play. That's another story. But she don't play. She loves my children. She gives me that respect and thing, you know, so I can... But to do that, you have to be a father. You have to be committed to your children. And you have to know that it's your responsibility as a man,

you know, your children are your children. To guide them as well. You must, and my house is my children, my doors are open to my children. I have children that are married, you know, my daughter Eden, she's married, and she has two nice, beautiful daughters. I'm a grandfather to them.

I have a son. My children graduate college. I have older children. They're in their 30-year-old up on this. What's the youngest you have? My youngest is going to be two in March. Wow, you out of control, bro. I'm in control.

I'm actually in control. I'm playing, but I have a three-year-old and a five-year-old, and I'm out in control. I'm actually. I'm playing, but I have a three-year-old and a five-year-old, and I'm out of control. Well, I think I'm in control and stuff. No, but I understand what you say, though. But you know what, though? That's the trenches. I mean, that's just, you know, it's part of what I eat.

This guy took it to the food. He's vegan, man. He said, I'm a good father, and I can handle it. I'm a productive guy. I'm going to the food. He's vegan, man. He said, I'm a good father and I can handle it. I'm a productive guy. I'm going to eat ginger root. I can produce, man. I'm a productive guy. But now I'm very settled in life and I find the right person for me.

And then I'm moving on like that. So it's good. But I feel like I have a lot of children that I need now to build them, build the characters, build leaders, and have my own little army so that I can focus on, you know? And they make you as well.

The children make you. Yeah, so that's what I love about children. It's my responsibility. Right. It's my responsibility. Everything about my child or my children, I love them so much, You know, all of them. You know, and they love each other because I was raised this way.

So it's like, and also, I'm a product of my environment because, you know, growing up in a way, you just have this way. But then when you get older, you realize, you know, maybe it's time to like, be like Ziggy or Sadella you know where you just kind of settle down and live life where you don't have to worry about things

and because it's a manageable thing but you shouldn't have to manage life so I want to live a life full of trust and that's peaceful

where my woman can take my phone and do whatever I don't want to worry about those things again like because as strong as you are right there's a woman that's stronger than you Where my woman can take my phone and do whatever. I don't want to worry about those things again. Because as strong as you are, right?

There's a woman that's stronger than you. So it's so and so. And that's just life. You heard the key point. You said, where the woman can take the phone. Yeah, yeah. It's like that. Cheating is too hard. I can't do it.

No, but you know. Cheating is stressful. It's not necessarily the thing. But you don't want to lay. But it's just like, you get to focus on other things, man. And then most people

who cheat is broke too, you know that? Yeah. They broke because like, they've spent all their time cheating. I hear you. Like trying not to get caught. I can't,

I can't, I can't call myself innocent. Like I've never been a bad guy. Yeah. In people's eyes. I started just being cool. It's growth. We all grow and mature.

Let me ask you, because we talked about Warren Sapp. We talked about Ray Lewis. What we didn't talk about was you at the UM. You played with Dwayne. Oh, UM, UM, UM. The Rock. Yeah, Dewey. Oh, you played with The Rock? Excuse me? Dewey. We called him Dewey at that time. Sorry, you M. The Rock. Yeah, Dewey. Oh, you play with The Rock? Excuse me?

Dewey. We called him Dewey at that time. Sorry, but he's The Rock. So you mean I can walk up to The Rock and be like, Dewey. I don't think you can do it now. What was the season? I'm not sure you can do it now. I don't think I can.

No, but hold up. I think you guys had a record season, right? Yeah, we always do. You know, in my college career, I think I've lost three games in my entire career. We won 58 games straight at home. Yeah, I've lost three games in my entire career. We won 58 games straight at home. Yeah, I've never... I've never played on a team that was ranked

less than number three in the country. So you and The Rock. Yeah, The Rock played with us, yes. And we played with The Rock as well. Meaning like, you know... The person. And the football field Like we're

Friends We're UM family That's dope Yeah we played a game Anybody else we're not naming How the fuck you play with Wormsap

And mind you And mind you But wait wait But they kind of play with me They play with you They play with you I'm the motherfucking When I was there

I'm the leader When I'm there I'm leading that team Like who So they play with me. They play with you. I'm the motherfucking, when I was there, I'm the leader. When I'm there, I'm leading that team. So they play with me. Who can predict this though? When you talk to Sap, yeah, I played with Rohan.

You did? When you talk to, no, I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. But listen, Rohan, this is what I'm trying to say. Who can predict? You know what happened to me?

You know how I learned the game? I came here when they expelled me from school in Jamaica because, you know, I didn't like the I came here when they expelled me from school in Jamaica because I didn't like the school, I didn't like the people, but it's whatever happened. They expelled me. So when I came here, I was going to a school down in Pinecrest Elementary, and it was 1984,

and it was during the time when the Miami Dolphins were very good with Dan Marino. Dan Marino was killing the game. Nori, if you ever ask me about who are my favorite people, the Miami Dolphins, Dan Marino was one of my favorite guys growing up. The era of the 80s? So at the school,

they would play Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins number one. So I started loving the game. And during the time, they were trying to seize my father's asset because they were trying to sell his rights, right? It's published in... Who was trying to do that? Well, the trust in Jamaica because my dad never left a will.

So it was crazy. Right. So because of that, they tried to sell... And he never had a trust. He never had a will. He had a trust, but the trust wanted to sell out his assets because they no longer wanted to manage the assets. But that was just them trying to destroy another man,

you know, liquidate all his assets. So Chris Blackwell, just a short story. Chris Blackwell ended up lending the family the money. We the children, not the, that's us, because that's us. It's Mama Rita and all the kids. So we borrowed the money and we bought our dad's rights.

So we own everything. That's when we end up owning our father's rights. So that's that. So now coming to America during that time, That's the movie, Coming to America. You Coming to America. It's a good reference because I like that movie. But it's a reference because

it's you. It's Coming to America. I like that movie. But it's a reference because it is you. It's a good reference because it is you. It's coming to America. I am a king. I am a king. The king of the moon. Let me tell you about this king, though. So this king came to America during that time. And when they seized all my father's assets and everything,

I remember them talking about selling my granny's house that we were living in. And being that I was one of Bob's child living in the house, I was able to put a pause on the sale to kind of like jurisdiction rights. But also I remember living off of my dad's social security check, $99 a month here in America. His American social security? Yeah.

Wow. Because yeah, my dad has an American social security check. Because remember he worked in Delaware for some time. I didn't. Wow. Because, yeah, my dad has an American Social Security check. Because remember, he worked in Delaware for some time. I didn't know that. Well, yeah, he did. He worked on the Farkleff, worked with the DuPont family, these type of people. Wow.

Such and such. Well, my granny worked with them. He worked for like Chevy or whatever companies there. So anyway, I ended up coming here during that time. Because my family didn't have no money. My brothers would come to Miami and kind of help out with the bills. Mama Rita would help out with the bills because everything was seized up. So we were able to borrow some money from Chris Blackwell to buy our father's rights.

And during this time, I wanted to not pressure the family. So I ended up learning to play football and got a scholarship so I didn't have to bother my family about going to college and being that I was a failure I had to show these motherfuckers that I'm going to go to fucking UM you bastards

that hated me so much because I came from Spanish town and I was Bob's child and I was supposed to be a failure so I had to do that so I had to do that. So I had to prove these fuckers wrong and go to UM. Play ball at UM and then that's kind of my way, you know?

And that's how I got into football, I got a scholarship. So just to recap a lot of this though, this is the time period that the Marley name is not making money because it's being consumed by this. Everything is seized and there's all the bootleggers everything is seized up everybody running around So we have to get everything under control and took a long long time And Chris Blackwell if I'm not wrong the same do the on the Marlin hotel right at the studio Marlin,

he owns like Golden Beach in Jamaica. I forget the name of that place. Bond, where James Bond did some stuff. Right, right.

In Jamaica. And Strawberry Hills where my dad went after the, yeah, my dad went there after the assassination attempt. Went to Strawberry Hills. So yeah, Chris Blackwell,

good man. You know, he helped us out. He looked out for us. I mean, Chris Blackwell, good man. You know, he helped us out. He looked out for us. I mean, he's the only person. And another story with Michael Jackson. So this is the human side of Michael Jackson. With Michael Jackson, okay.

This is the human side. So we needed the money as a family. MCA wanted to buy my dad's rights. Right. So Japan wanted to buy my dad's rights. Right. Sony, Japan wanted to buy my father's rights. We asked Michael Jackson for some money. Michael Jackson wanted to buy my father's rights. Yeah, because he bought the Beatles.

Yeah, he didn't. So he never loaned us the money. So Mike wanted to buy the rights. He never loaned us the money. But Chris Blackwell, who was a good guy, he loaned us the rights. He never loaned us the money. But Chris Blackwell, who was a good guy, he loaned us the money. Oh, so you're saying a human that wasn't such a great aspect of humanity.

No, it's an entrepreneur. The entrepreneur side of him. The human side. The human being side where you got to pay your bills side. But Chris Blackwell loaned you the money where Michael wanted to buy the rights. Absolutely. And you guys were

not interested in selling the rights. So I remember one of the offers, I think it was like 1991, was like $20 million. So one of my things was, because everyone has to sign, all the children, all the children we have to sign. How many children is this?

11 of us. Yeah, 11 of us, or 10 of us, that have a sign and write. So we all have to sign. So my thing was, well, shit, if it's worth 20 million to them, what do you think it's worth to us? Exactly.

Wow. Right. You know what I mean? I'm like, shit. I mean, wow. That's nice. But we're talking about, it's worth a trillion dollars to us, man. What do you think about that?

Yeah, no. Can you bargain that? Let's start there, you know? Come on, come up with a trillion so we can make some change, real change. So that's how we thought about it. So I remember even then, because as a youth, right, you get this option as a Marley boy or a Marley child. From what was sold and the money that was loaned because you borrowed it, when you become 18 years old, you get a million dollars, right?

And I remember being at University of Miami. Wait, wait, hold up, hold up. So when you guys become, any Marley child becomes 18 years old, you get a million dollars. Right. Because of what they sold with the trust that was there. So we had to like borrow that money and, you know, you get it, but you owe it kind of thing. Oh, it's a loan.

I'm going to tell you about it. I don't know what it is, but I don't even know what it is. But I'm going to tell you how it worked out. So anyway, when I was in college, I remember the lawyers coming to my school, and they're telling me, hey, you're 18 years old now. What's your decision? I said, what decision I got to make? You can sign here and own because of the loan that we took, the $12 million loan. We have to pay that loan back.

So my million dollars either is going to go back to paying that loan or I take my- Or become another part of the loan. Because now it's becoming, we're owning this company. We're borrowing money to own our dads like any other people. Right. So you're borrowing against that.

Yeah, so now I get the million dollars or do I take a million dollars and go live on the beach in Jamaica, buy the mansion, do all the great things I can do in life and be set forever in my life? Let's do it. Or do I take $36,000 and carry on?

So if the choice is the million dollars, we'll go back, you own, you're a part of this company that owns all your dad's rights, which is like all the family dollars will go back. You own, you're a part of this company that owns all your dad's rights. Right. Which is like all the family, we own that. Or we take your million dollars

and really cash out. Right. So the lawyer was like, well, you know these motherfuckers, man. Because the lawyer, right, the bigger the pot the more he makes, right? Why do you care about me? You know what I'm saying? So he wants you to get the bigger amount so he

can get the commission. Yeah, because the bigger the pot, the more fame. If I take the 30, he's not going to be happy. If I get the milli, he'll take whatever he takes out there and I'll be rich forever with a million dollars in 1992.

So I ask these motherfuckers, I say to these asshole lawyers, these people that work for people that act like they own you, I say, let me ask you something. What did my brothers and sisters do? Remember we talked about age?

What did Ziggy and Sadella do? And Steven, what did they do? They took the $30,000. I said, where what did Ziggy and Sadella do? And Steven, what did they do? A row. They took the $30,000. I said, where do I sign? Give me the fucking $30,000. Get the fuck out. I didn't say all that part.

I'm adding that. If it was a movie, I'd say it like that. I chose to give back the million dollars and just live off of that $30,000 for a little bit. $30,000 sounds like interest. $30,000 was because it was like you owed each party to pay back the loan. It's like $970,000 of such and such. So of the $12 million that we borrowed from Chris Blackwell. That's the loan that you're paying back.

We're paying the loan back to Chris Blackwell. Right. So that money, when we get it, that's what we bought. That's the loan that you're paying back. We're paying the loan back to Chris Blackwell. Right. So that money, when we get it, we got to, because that's what we bought, that's the asset. Wow. That's the asset that's giving us this million dollars again. Right, right.

So we're taking that, you know? So even though we bought it, Great. Yeah, so we have to pay that shit back. So we the family, the children, we keep our dad's rights, and up until, since 1981, it's been us at The Hound. So everything you see Bob Marley has been us, the children, doing it.

And big up to my brother, Ziggy, Sadella, my big sister Sadella, for holding it down, you know, all these years. Mama Rita, like, treating us all like her own children. Like, even though we're not, she's not my biological mother, but I call her.

Oh, she's not? No, my mother's name is Janet Hunt. Okay. A nice little lady that make nice food, you know? Yeah. Big up to Janet. Nobody knows her, but she's a nice lady. She loves to cook.

That was one of the things. I feel like Bob Marley is probably one of the most bootlegged person ever. Like everywhere you go, you see a Bob Marley T-shirt. You see, are you telling me that for the most part, the family gets the residuals on that? The estate. The estate. Who owns the estate? Is it you guys?

Yeah. Okay. We the children. So if I'm in Jamaica and I buy a bottle of wine. When you said the trust and all that, the trust. That no longer exists. Remember, the trust dissolved and they sold all their assets and we had to buy it back. So we are in control.

Oh, wow. So the things that, but obviously there's still bootleg people out there. But the things that you see, we have our family seal there. And you can see that it's ours. So like, for instance, Marley Coffee is a family business. House of Marley is a family business. Zion Rooter is a family business. The Roam Marley Beach House, it's my thing,

but I'm smart enough to make that a family business, you dig? Because, you know, I'm nothing without my family. So is that a dispersed thing to the family? What is? Like business, like the financials. Do you disperse? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we're the directors of the company. So you keep everybody included?

Yeah, all the family members are part of the business. But you said it's smart. It's smart to keep everything in the family. It's family business. So things that you see, we are the operators of our family business. And Sister Sadella, Brother Ziggy, you have to big them up because they manage all these things. We work with CAA, that company. They're pretty good at managing the IP.

Some of these new entities that we're creating, Marley Coffee is one of them. They manage that. Marley Coffee, that's my baby. Y'all is going to hear that ringing in your ear. Go get some coffee. This is drink chance. Yeah, we drink going to hear that ringing in your ear. Go get some coffee. I've been a big fan. Well, this is drink chance. Yeah, we drink coffee too. I got an address.

I'm going to send you my address. I want some coffee. I got you. You will have coffee for the rest of your life, both of you. Yeah. Well, hold on. Cut. I'm going to give you coffee when I can.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the rest of our lives. When I can, when I can, when I can. And listen, that's the London. That's the London coffee. That's the London coffee. Coffee. Yeah. That's the London of our lives. When I can, when I can, when I can. Big up to my guy. That's the London Jamaican right there. He can speak to you in Jamaican. He speaks in Londonese. What part of London, mate? I know you.

Like 20 years ago, I was with the Bank of America in Paris. Wow. I was the back door over there. Nothing about I was the personal back door. Yeah. The black guy there, he can't. Right, right now. Right in the corner, right?

Yeah. Right in the corner. I remember coming in and seeing you. How was I as a human being? Was I a nice guy? He was cool as fuck. No, he said, he always said, he always said. Oh, he does.

One, two, three. I tried, aw. All in the cool stuff. That's my dog. That's my dog. Because you know why? I have to live up to this thing, man. And I'm telling you,

it's tougher than you think. The thing you talk, it's not a burden from my dad. It's my brothers and sisters, man. That's why I told you about the burden.

No, but it's them. It's them. It's like even playing football, I was like, I can't let my brothers see me get knocked on my back.

They're like, what the fuck happened out there? Who's that guy? I can't let them see me they can't see me weak they can't see me they can't see me defeated you dig so that's like that's who i have to be my standards are to my my brothers and sisters is like yeah and mama rita like they hold it down they hold the mantle so i got to to, like, uphold that. Like, I really, like, when I do things in my mind, like, even hearing me drinking on your damn drink champs, I'm going to get in trouble later.

Yeah, no, no. My brother Ziggy just talking about this shit. Yeah, man. You can't be drinking Bloody Marys in the morning. I'm like, uh. It's a morning drink, sir. Like, so, so. Bro. That was one of my last questions. I don like, uh. It's a morning drink, sir. Like, bro. That was one of my last questions.

I don't know where you're going to go. Can I just take this real quick? Go ahead. It might be the same question. How many times do you get mistaken for your brothers? Oh, gosh, man. All the times. The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States.

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So there's a line around, there's a line around the building. Right. I just remember hearing, who is he again? Is that Ziggy? Right. I just, but I was like, you know, no, I'm Rohan. Right. I'm Molly Coffee guy. Right. Farmer. Right. You know, but I was like, you know, no, I'm Rohan. Right. I'm a coffee guy.

Right. Farmer. Right. You know, I have a coffee story. Yeah. But it's cool. Right.

Because that's just what it is, you dig? And like, it's like even being in Paris, right? Right. And they were doing this red carpet thing for the movie and walking,

Ziggy, Ziggy. I'm like, no, Ziggy's coming, man. Sorry, I'm like, no, man, Ziggy's coming, man, I'm going inside. Like, Ziggy. I'm like, no, Ziggy's coming, man. I'm like, no, man. Ziggy's coming, man.

I'm going inside. So it's cool, though, but I'm not Ziggy and Steve and Damien, Julian and Kimani and Robert. I'm Rohan. So I'm going to let you know. No, I'm Rohan. No, Ziggy soon come. You know what I mean? But it's nice.

It's Irish because we're all the same people. And you're all look alike, though. This would be racist if I was white, but I's nice. Right. It's Irish because we're all the same people. And you're all look alike though. It's just, this would be racist if I was white, but I'm black. You can still be racist. I can still be racist. Bro, you can still be racist.

You're looking alike. I don't know, I think your father got some great fucking I think you're hella racist right now, bro. Yeah, I am. I'm sorry.

But y'all do look alike in a great way. That's greatness. Yeah, it's true. You're the family of God. It's the energy. Yeah. I love how he spoke greatness. Yeah, it's true. The family of God. It's the energy. Yeah. I love how he spoke.

He said, it's true. Because, you know, we all think alike. We're seven brothers, seven different minds. But our aim is highly slashed out of the first, Rastafari. And like you hear my brother Ziggy talk about being good humans, you know. So we all aspire to be good people, good humans.

And so we kind of judge each other. We don't judge like that, but we kind of rub off on each other in a way where we act like each other. Because we like how each other flex. We like how each other do. So we like each other just because of our way of life. And even our big sisters like Sadella and Sharon, we like them because they're great mothers and they're great teachers, they're great leaders, they're great CEOs, they're great operators.

So we respect that and we respect just nature. And we know that in human nature, it's kings and queens. So we're of the kings and the women's of the queen. So we honor the women as queen as they are. And we walk as the kings that we are. God damn it. Damn. Let me just say.

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thank you thank you we wanted to share that in front of everybody in front of the public because it's real shit, man. Thank you for sharing with us. I'm going to go hang out at your hotel. I'm going to be honest. Can I smoke?

No, not in the room. On the weekends. You got balconies, right? Pardon? I'm going to fuck up your balcony with all the white people. You know, Twitch is on. And just like anywhere else, we're responsible for our actions, and we do as we see fit, as how we see life.

So if we want to burn, we know how to burn, where we want to burn. Yeah, we respect where we burn. You know how to burn, bro. You don't know how to burn. I'll be seeing you in Hawaii. You're different. But by the way, my brother, I couldn't forget this. Okay.

I did bring two items for my brother. These are items that I produce and create. This is my Lion Order. And hopefully, these are for you. So this is inspired by... These are the chains. He's spending it in her mask right here. Yeah, absolutely.

I do things the right way. That's a rock crystal that we're using right there. And I've created that with finest of finest. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. So this is Lion Order stuff, you know what I mean? That's my movement, Lion Order. And we believe in good quality things.

Here I got him a little tray, which is made from not ceramic, but porcelain. I believe in good quality things. So we do. I got a lot of class. Class is first. Yes. Yeah, because why not? We're kings, you know?

That's right. So we deserve to live as kings and be as clean as possible and try to do the things in the right way. God damn it. So we want to live as kings as we are. And that's why we say lion order, non-denomination, because Rastafari is truly that,

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