Drink Champs - Episode 403 w/ The D.O.C.

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs in this episode the champs chop it up with the legend himself, The D.O.C.! The D.O.C. joins us and shares his journey. The D.O.C. shares stories of early N.W.A. days, Ruthless Records, Death Row Records and much much more. The D.O.C. shares stories of creating music like his classic “No One Can Do It Better”, and shares stories of working with Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, Snoop Dogg, Eminem and more! Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss! Make some noise for The D.O.C.!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 🎉🎉🎉 *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. legendary queens rapper hey hey it's your boy n-o-r-e he's a miami hip-hop pioneer one of his dj efn together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk it's time for drink champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hope it's good to still be. This your boy N.O.R.E. What up?

It's DJ E.F.N. And this is Drink Champs. Yappy hour makes a... Hey! When I say calling this man a legend is an understatement. Calling him an icon is an understatement Calling him a visionary

A person that is relentless A person that has lent his hand to hip-hop And can singly handily say that he has made hip-hop a better place Some of your favorite records he's wrote Some of your favorite records he's wrote. Some of your favorite artists. He's your artist's favorite artist. Artist.

He's your rapper's favorite rapper's rapper. He's your producer's favorite producer. Producer, producer. He is a classic legend, icon. Means so much. And I don't want to limit him to to to because because he's he's he's actually from the south kind of dressed like from the east coast and rhyme almost like from the east coast but landed in goddamn the west coast so he's a bit of every coast hip-hop he's a man's man. Like I said, a legend, legend.

And if it wasn't for him, some of your favorite hip-hop artists, icons, would probably never even exist. Like I said, he's everyone's favorite.

In case you don't know who the fuck I'm talking about, we're talking about the one, only, D-O-B-T! The Diggie Diggie Dog, yo! That still might be one of the hardest. The Diggiey dong, yo. That still might be one of the hardest.

The dingy dingy dong. That still might be one of the hardest shit in hip hop when that shit come on. I had so much fun doing research for this interview, watching the documentary, watching your old interviews,

listening to the old music. It's like, you are sincerely a god of hip-hop, man. Man, thank you for that, man. Nah, nah, nah. Thanks so much. Well, first things first. I got to get this off my chest because I carried it on my spirit a long time.

And I don't want to go too deep into it, but this is between me and you. It's personal. It was the Up and Smoke tour. And you reached out your hand to me. And I was in the middle of my addiction, in the middle of a bad trip. And so I don't remember everything verbatim, but I know I was fucked up.

So I owe you an apology. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. No, no, because that shit has been in my soul. Nah, nah, nah. You've been such an inspiration. And to tell you something. Let me tell you something. No, no. Because that shit has been in my soul. No, no, no. You've been such an inspiration. And to tell you the truth, you're a legend. You came.

You guys. If it wasn't for you guys doing what y'all did, I don't think the Queens Bridge slash Left Rack sound would even be invented. You know what I'm saying? Because of, like I I'm watching the documentary and going through all of this and seeing seeing your relentless list like there was one part of the documentary by the way I cried twice I cried twice there was one part though where Dre just looked in the camera and Dre said you can't give it away but I won't give it away. I won't give it away. But Dre says something that you want all of your friends to say.

Like, you want... I cried through the TV. Like, I'm sitting there. My barber's cutting my hair. And he's like, wait a minute. What the fuck is going on? Because he feels the tears. So, I guess he's not...

He don't want to look at me. Why? Because he's looking. He's like, holy shit. This nigga Norris is really sitting here crying. And I love that friendship of y'all's. Like, how did y'all develop that relationship, you and Dre? It's a musical.

He's the music, I'm the words, bro. I am to words what he is to music and so that you can't you know what I'm saying and this is before the world knew who he was I knew who he was

world class wrecking crew era and you're feeling fresh too but it's the sound it's the quality of the sound that he produces. It's not the actual production, the beat making. It's the engineering. It's that when you're in the studio with the good doctor.

I like you call him a good doctor. How that shit sound that day, it's cause his eyes gonna sound. You ain't gotta go wait till they get mixed and match. None of that, eyes sound in that moment, that's it. And it's never gonna change, it's going to sound. You ain't got to go wait until it gets mixed and matched. None of that. I sound in that moment. That's it. And it's never going to change. It's going to be that dope all the way through.

And I always respected him immensely for that skill set. I couldn't leave it. You know what I mean? That's why even after what happened to me happened i stayed up under that sound right because if i could stay close to this sound i still got these words i might not have right the voice to go with it you know but you know that that was like like i was saying earlier it's like i heard that you said you wanted to you gave up at certain times but us as outsiders looking in we never saw that part of you we always we only get to see

i don't know if this is the part that was presented or is you just that much of a hero you know what i'm saying is that we we didn't see the vulnerability part of you like you know what i'm saying yeah so was that something that you was hiding, or that was something you did on purpose? No, bro, thank you. That's just me as a human being. Right. Right, I never get to show those sides, because it's never about me.

Right. It's always about my guys. G.O.D., not the D.O.C. Well, yeah, that's the ultimate clip. But back in those days, it's always about Snoop. Snoop and Dre. Right. And so my role is just to be in the back.

And I'm cool with that. Sipping on Yak, you know. Yeah. No, I ain't going to lie. Listen. Yo, listen. I can't wait for this documentary to actually finally come out. Because I thought, I swear to God.

I'm not gassing you up because you're here. I thought that Straight Outta Compton was like, nothing could be better than that, right? And I'm sitting back there, I'm like, there's no other thing. Story.

No other story. And then you watch it back and you're like, wait a minute, it gets better? Oh, bro. You can only imagine. I mean,

I didn't get to watch it, but there's so many layers to your story going all the way back to Texas. Bro, it is. And I used to be humble about this shit, but I'm starting to get to it. No, no, we're going to be cocky for you. We're going to be cocky for you.

We're going to be cocky for you, DMC. Don't worry about it. And just for the record, we've been trying to get you. You know I've been trying for a long time. Hold on. Before you even go, before you even go, because our show is about giving people their flowers. Snoop said that when he got his flowers,

it's better than giving the Grammy because it comes from his people. We want to give you your flowers face to face, man to man. Hey!

Man to man. Wow. Man, you mean so much. It's flowers. Yes. Let me tell you, you mean so much, not just to West Coast,

not just to the South, not just to the East, to the whole hip-hop game. I can't picture hip-hop without you. Wow. I literally can't. I believe your first record was 87? 87. 87.

I was born in 77. So my memory is always like you always existed. So I cannot picture hip hip hop without you. Like, like for real. You a real, real legend, my brother. So let's talk about the documentary without giving up everything. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, but we can talk about the story. We don't have to refer to the story, the film. We hear to talk about the story. Documentary itself. 10-fold. Top three hip-hop documentary all time. Yep. And it might not be

two or three. Nah, it is. You know what I'm saying? Right. Because it's, it is hip-hop, my man. Right.

I'm the vehicle. Right. But that story's about hip-hop. That's why it goes through New York. Yep. And now it travels like hip-hop. That's why it goes through New York. Yep. And it travels like hip-hop did. Yeah.

You know what I mean? I love the fact, pardon me for cutting you off, I love the fact that you even brung the doctors in. Like, you know, when you was checking the vocal cords and things like that. I love that you ain't even hide that. Like, you just wanted people to know your real life. Because there's still an option. Why?

There's still an option with that. Right. You know? Then the AI thing happened, and that's a whole other barrier. So I'm still living out this. There's some changes I want to make at the end because I want to do something for easy. I didn't get a chance to do. Wow.

When the AI shit happened, that happened because his widow reached out to me and started talking to me about giving me my master's back. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. You said something in an interview and you said the thing about the documentary is that a 50-year-old white man

from Arkansas, from anywhere in the world could relate to it. I'm telling you, everybody can relate to it. I'm telling you, bro. I'm telling you, that documentary

is not just a hip-hop documentary. It transcends hip-hop, bro. It's a never give up. That's right. It's a fucking inspiration. It's a life documentary, but it's like, yo, you're relentless. You're even way to say, you know what? I was one of the biggest stars in the world.

I lost my voice, but I'm not going to lose my intentions. That's right. I'm going to pay a team player. That shit was just so, whoo! I was, goosebumps was coming through me. I was like, whoa! Because most people,

once they get the place of being Michael Jordan, they don't want to be Scottie Pippen. That's right. They don't want to go there. But you not only, it was like you chose that role.

It was like, you know what? I can't be the player no more, but I'm going to be there and I'm going to pin the hardest rhymes ever. Because I want my guys to win, man. Right. I want them to win.

Right. Even if I can't win, somebody going to win in this business. Right. You know what I mean? Right. And Snoop, you can tell the character of a man he is because he always give it back. Yeah. Like he never goes nowhere without speaking me and lifting me up.

And if I needed him and called him, he'd be there, you know. And like G.O.D. blessed me, bro. He put me in a great spot to be able to grow and learn some real hell of a lessons in this life. And so that's why I'm there. I tell folks it's a God thing. It's not a DOC thing. I'm trying to position myself for hip hop. Not the first 50 because the first 50 was fucked up.

The next 50, when we get the win, when them billions come to us, the creators, and float to our people the way we want it to, right, and we don't have enough of that going on now, but now that we got this awareness, now that we got understanding, now that we got opportunities like this show, then we can bless our folks and grow in this thing, in this money game, just like they

have. You know what I mean? And this next 50 for me is about going back to the same projects I came from. Dallas. Dallas. And making sure that what Dallas 4 were, making sure that those babies have an opportunity to win, bro. Right. Because they're living in them streets right now.

They're living the movies we wrote in our records. Wow. But they're not living them with honor the way we had. had if there's no honor then you can't trust nobody, right? You just acted in the Wild West again It's like fuck everything and everything and we lose them like that man. We can't lose these boys like that. We need them All right. I mean what if Trump do it? I'm just playing. Them sneakers is horrible, boy. Them sneakers is horrible. Oh, them go, yeah, that's what he said.

You know what I mean? So you want these, and they just, somebody just read somewhere, they just signed a bill in Louisiana that allows them boys 18 years to carry a seal. You can't even buy cigarettes at 18.

You know what I mean? That's crazy. You can buy a gun. What is the purpose? Who are the people? And why are they not on TV? Let me see what they look like. Because I'm not getting the game in that.

Because you already know what's going to happen. Why? You already know what's going to happen if one? Why? You already know what's going to happen if one of these young boys is in school and another one

of them little boys run past him and pop him in his eye one good time. He's not going to even square up. He's going to get up and run to his lock.

You know why? Because they're not playing no more, bro. You're out of there. And then you lost two lives or three or four behind some ignorant shit.

And so, you know, with all due respect to the program, I don't want to be... But yeah, man, it's really important to me to get out there and make that stance. I was talking to KRS

in Dallas just a week ago. We were sitting there right along the podcast in Dallas. Me and KRS was doing some work on the podcast, and we were having this conversation. Like, we got to get out there and do what we can to get our young men back on track. It's not a lot of leaders anymore. We don't have a lot.

No, we went from the Martin Luther King era to the Frank Lucas era. Yeah, to Dr. Umar. Don't take the white bitches! Go get Dr. Umar. I've seen Umar at the airport one time. I don't want to talk about him. He sneak up on you.

Did he have on beads? No, he didn't have on beads. But, yeah, he was a cool brother. Okay. No, I don't want to. Now that I think about it, I can't think of Dr. Umar flying a white airline. You mean to tell me he was a white airline? Oh, yeah.

I'm disappointed, Dr. Umar. Yeah. He's supposed to be on black airwaves. That's it. I'm just playing. He was on the whites only airlines. American. Whites only airlines.

White only. Whites only, pie. So, I'm going to tell you, one of my favorite, well, some of my favorite stories of a hip-hop period is when I hear anybody who was involved in the Chronic talking about those sessions. Now, obviously, we interviewed Snoop. We interviewed Daz and Corrupt, right? And Daz and Corrupt and Snoop came from, like, a rookie point of view where basically they were like and even Snoop to a certain extent but Snoop said it was you and him really pinning most of it.

But you, like Dr. Dre, is different from Snoop and different from Daz and Corrupt because you know what these records can end up. They are veterans at that point. How was those sessions like with you? And was it as fun as... Hell yeah.

Okay. Man, that was, you know, because I knew what was going to happen. Right. And in the early days, I thought it was going to be my money too. You know, but you knew what them boys was doing. And if you fucking with Dre, man, 999.999, you're going to win.

It's difficult not to win with him doing it. But nobody was like Snoop. Snoop was what Slick Rick was to the east. Snoop was that for them. Nobody had that. That's why it was so apropos that he did Lottie Dottie because that's who he was.

On his first album. It made so much sense. It was perfect. He was a genius. I'm not going to lie. From Deep Cover, when I first heard Deep Cover, I knew Snoop was different. I knew he was the shit. I just didn't know that he would wind up being the most famous rapper on earth.

Like, I love the part where you keep saying, you say to the kids, you be like, y'all know who D.O.C. is? And they're like, uh? They're like, I know Snoop. And they're like, ah! And he is like the most famous rapper there is.O.C. is. And they're like, uh? They're like, I know Snoop. And everybody's like, ah! Yeah. And he is like the most famous rapper there is. Oh, yeah. There's no place on earth Snoop can't go.

Oh, yeah. I mean, Snoop is a marketing genius. Right. He ain't turning down no checks. He going to go get it. Put your sale in. I got you. Right.

Well, how did you see that in the beginning? Because obviously, you're dealing with a diamond in the rough. It wasn't like he came out and was polished. So what was it? Dre told you about this guy? And you're seeing him on the level as an emcee, I'm sure, at first. It's just as an emcee, you're like, I can respect this. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I got to help him. Right. But Dre heard him. He said, that's the guy. I said, OK, that's what we're going to do. Right. You know? And father to Lee, play my role in this movie.

Right. Sit down with him and take him through structures. Because you taught him how to do 16s. Make him under, well, yeah. Because he would write. He would just rap for 30 minutes and shit. You know, it's cool. It's cool here.

Then it'd get cool again here. Then now you're just rapping some shit, and then it'd get cool right here. You need to remove all the ifs and stick to the me that work. And he figured that shit out by the time he got to his record. Shit, I couldn't tell him shit. He was flying. And I was happy to be on the ride with him. Right. Now, was Shug your bodyguard at first? Yeah.

Is that how? Yeah. Wait, all right. So you were telling me. I don't know if you would call it a bodyguard, because who the fuck am I? You know what I mean? Ain't nobody trying to fuck with me. Right. But you was a friend, and coming from Dallas to California, going from nothing to everything. Right. Even though you went from Dallas to Compton, because you moved into Compton, right?

I know, but I'm saying, didn't nobody give a fuck who I was in Dallas. Right. By the time I got to L.A., everybody thought I was the coldest thing since sliced bread. Right, right, right. And Suge started hanging out, taking me to clubs at 20 years old. You're not supposed to get in, but you go in, and Eddie Murphy's over there, and Prince is over there. You start feeling that vibe. When the records start hitting, and then that alcohol start kicking in,

then that's why you might have thought he was my bodyguard. I'd go in there, there'd be a woman over there. She would have a guy, but I don't care. I'd go over there and do some raunchy shit. Because they said you used to call yourself a D.O.C., Dropping Off Cock. Okay. That shows the stamp money was in back then. Hey, man, I ain't making up.

I ain't making up. I'm just doing my job, man. I'm sorry, Doc. That's not a thousand percent correct. But it's close. It's close enough. It was close enough. Right.

You know, we was getting an end back then. Right, right, right. But still, them boys didn't want to let me play. You know? But you said something one time ago. You said, it's some doors. Yeah. See?

I'm not a door guy. I didn't go through the door either. No. Because I'm already on that all. Yeah. If I go through that door, it's going to be a whole lot of pain. Because I'm not going to know how to accept none of that. It's going to be a problem.

They said, don't let that nigga in there. You, you, you, yeah. Nah, that nigga's not going to come. One thing, again, about the documentary, which is so dope, is not to only see people give you your flowers and give you your praises, but to see how many people are actually your fans. Like, I've never seen Eminem, like, be vulnerable like that. I've never seen Dr. Dre smile like that.

Like, you can tell, like, he really, like, like, you his brother. Yeah. Like, it had nothing, got nothing to do with blood. Right. You can just tell, like, the way he talks about you, everything, it's just like, I love, I love that people are not afraid to give you your flowers. Do you feel that? Yeah, bro, I know.

I love that, bro. I love that. But it's such a type of character you are. You know what I'm saying? When one of the things that you see when you see that film is exactly what you've never seen Dre like that. Right, right. Never seen the mother fucker happy. But how did that Dre like that. Right, right. You've never seen the motherfucker happy.

How did that happen? Right, right, right. And so I know in his heart, he's happy because he can see this guy might be finally getting to that stage where he's going to stand up and take care of his business. Right. So it's that big brother shit.

Right. But you've seen the thing, even when he start talking shit, I'm right there. I love it. Talking shit. Yes, I love it. And he want talking shit, I'm right there. I love it. Talking shit. Yes, I love it. And he want to clown me about that.

Yeah, I love it. Listen, y'all, I haven't watched this, so y'all need to stop this shit, man. You better get on your job. Speaking of that, when is this dropping? When is this coming? You know what? I'm still dealing with it. I'm still dealing with it.

See, now you got to be very careful. Okay. I'm not a door guy. You know what I mean? And so I got to figure out what's the door. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because it's important.

It's an important film. Yeah. Not just for me. I'm a nigga. Who am I? I'm a West Dallas nigga trying to get my bearings back and make this life mean some shit. Right. Other than this nigga can rap good. Right, right.

You know what I mean? I got a seven-year-old son and a nine-year-old son. And G.O.D. waited until I became a man to give me those gifts. Because I understand that in order for them to become a man, they have to see a man. You know what I mean? So I have to be a man.

That means those things that I, those childish things, I got to let that shit go. You know, all the playing games for females, well, no, all the playing games. That's just

jokes, man. That's just jokes. You know, being a righteous father, and not just for my sons, because it's a lot of sons that don't have nothing. You know what I mean? Trying to represent for them where I come from. Because to me, this is just super important.

When I start trying to do work in the community, man, and understanding what these young boys is doing out there. And I said, well, blow your mind, bro. And you wonder how the hell, like, it's just fucking nuts. Are you saying what's going on now? Yeah. Yeah. Like, even people making disc records that's actually records that kill you records. And stitching on themselves doing it.

Yeah. I never thought it'd be. But that's that bullshit. That's that ego shit. Everybody want to be, what you say, Jordan? Don't nobody want to be Scotty. Everybody want to be the biggest, baddest. You know, wolf in the pen. It's some brainwashed shit to think that this is the route to take.

To go public with these crazy things, doing these things you're talking about. It gets you popular. It's wild. These boys don't think about things you're talking about. It gets you popular. It's wild. These boys don't think about where you're going to be at in five years. If you ask them that, that'll be the hardest question they like to answer because they don't think that far. They think you can go out and shoot a motherfucker on Tuesday and next week you go do shit again. They don't understand that once you start playing those games, that life is different, man.

You know what I mean? And you might not never make it back to the evening. I'm giving these kids juice from this experience because driving with that all in me and wrecking out on that freeway, that shit took almost 30 years for me. Before I got back to a space where I can, you know, handle some business, you know.

But I keep telling you it's a G.O.D. thing. But look, do me a favor, though. Humor me and let's take it back. Because I want to get into the meat and potatoes of how you got to here go back to Texas feel a fresh crew is starting how do you

how does that connect to Ruthless Records how does how do you become an MC how does that connect to Ruthless Records because I've seen an interview where Eazy-E said

he was part of a rat crew so I was like damn Eazy bro that's how you act I'm a bat but that's's how you act. My bad. He was talking about the Fila crew? Okay. And we weren't the best.

You know what I mean? Damn, Eazy. Eazy was harsh like that? Damn. But yeah, so the DJ in that group was a dude that was on the radio. He used to be in the same DJ crew that Dre came from.

Working crew? Yeah. Really? Okay. When it was just DJs. Right. Before they started. When they was wearing the shiny jackets. Yeah, before the shiny jackets.

They didn't make it to that level yet. With the telescope. Because that was when they was good already. And so when he made it to Dallas, he had a lot of their underground records. And he made their underground music hot in Dallas. Then when they visited Dallas, Dre heard me. He was like, bro, you should, if you was in LA, we'd be rich. And I was like, shit, let's do it.

Let's go get the guys. He's judging your musical for the FIDA crew. Yeah. Okay, continue. But he's singling you out in the crew. Yeah. Right. Because when I said, let's go get the other guys, he was like, nah, I ain't talking about that.

Because you in, because it's just feel fresh crew here. But I was like, nah, I came. I mean, hell nah, I can't just go to California and then get Lima cause I think the part that's interesting about that

is you not only moved to California but you moved to Compton which you said I believe you described it as a beautiful place in the daytime but night time

a whole but that's how early in the development of Ruthless that you moved in like basically with them oh yeah oh yeah it was a it was a motherfucker cause I'm not a But that's how early in the development of Ruthless that you moved in, like, basically with them. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

It was a motherfucker because I'm not a thug, dude. That's never been my... I'm a writer. I'm an artist for real, man. He's a real MC. Yeah. I live and breathe to be good at that. Right. You know what I mean?

And so when I went out there and them boys started, you know, I'm going to do what I can to help y'all. I knew that you're never going to be able to get where you can. You're never going to be able to be all that you can be unless you can get this stuff that you're doing on the radio. So I can write the kind of songs for Eric that are funny. Being easy for people who don't know. That are funny and entertaining that won for people who don't know. Yeah, for easy. That are funny and entertaining that won't scare white folks. You know, they'll laugh

and wanna... And so that was my job. So you came up with kind of making him a character in a sense. Yeah. Because you did Easy Does It. Yeah, no, Easy Does It. Yeah, Easy Does It. And the playful rhymes, the way he played like... Yeah. Okay. I do a motherfucking walk by, you know, just funny shit.

Right. In a way that street guys would respect it. And Easy could carry it because he's not faking it. Right, it was real. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's 1,000%. Right. I never got to meet Easy and I never got to meet Tupac.

Tupac was a real one too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I heard you say you never got that close. Real, real shit talker. He talks shit to me all and I never got to meet Tupac. Tupac was a real one too. Yeah. Oh yeah. I heard you say you never got that close with him. Real shit talker, he talk shit to me all the time. But he waited until I had the rectus for us talking that shit. First time I met him, he was still dancing for...

Digital Underground. Digital Underground. He was in a limo. And we rode from the limo to the... I was performing with those guys. My singer had just came out. Performing in Kansas City or somewhere. We rode in the limo.

Guy never said two words to me. You know? Now, fast forward after my wreck didn't happen. He and MC Breed were really good friends. And the wreck didn't happen. The chronic, all of that stuff is happening. We in Atlanta. I think this is when he, around the time he getting into it with the police.

Okay. And tearing up itchy bond over Breed, all of that stuff. I'm at Breed's house, and he flies in. Doc, what's up, brother? Man, they finally ran your ass off and up there. I didn't like that. That made me mad. Right.

Yeah, it's true. Right. But nigga, not in here. Right. But no, he was a little shit talker, but he had a heart of gold, you know, and a solid brother. And he and I. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

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and was in that space where we shouldn't have been. Those aren't our people. We shouldn't have been in the middle of that. That's profound what he just said, though. There's something that I wanted to reiterate or think about. The No Vaseline record.

Ice Cube comes out with this record. To the air, fam. Greatest beats. And you're still in the side of it at that point. The No Vaseline record Ice Cube comes out With this record Tony Hathor Greatest diss And you're still On the N.W.A. side of it At that point Yeah well But he didn't say my name

Did you feel like I gotta go Pen to diss back I was like Nigga I'm gonna Leave that shit Cause it never N.W.A. never did

A full diss It was only just Some shots And some songs But how But Benedict Arnold I think Was the one

But did anybody from The crew get mad at you Like why he ain't say your name No Let's see that Can I get another one Because there was Like if everybody

Dissed Drink Chats And they don't diss EFN I think you got something Going on I'm just going to let your ass know. I think Cube knew because he had come to the hospital and seen me. Oh, wow.

He knew it'd be like trying to beat up a handicapped kid at that point. So he just tore their ass up in a half. I was so happy about that because he ate breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Greatest disrecord in the history of music from the first line

to the last line he don't let up on none of them so he but there's a famous argument that we had on Drink Champs

about he famously had it we gonna bring it up again he famously had it and it's Ice Cube or Biggie Smalls that wasn't the way

it started though. I hate the way you tell it. Did you hear about this argument? Yes. What did you think of this argument? Well, if I'm being honest. You have to be, please.

That's a hard one, bro. Yeah. Because they are too the greatest storytellers ever. Yeah. But they're telling them in different ways. In different ways. Different ways.

And see, I'm an MC, and so the way Big Swing is me. In a competition, I can compete with that. The shit that you'll be doing, I can't compete with that shit, because he's doing it in a way that's unfamiliar to me. And it's always that first line. In any of the songs where he added, it's the first line.

He comes in on fire. Yeah, you know he's going to tear your ass up from that first goddamn line. Goddamn, I'm glad y'all said it. I'll say, you already know some shit from that. I ain't gonna lie I think that was the quietest I've ever been in Drink Champs history Because I had no opinion

I just let them But again To set the record straight It wasn't what you're saying He just asked me Tony asked me Who was my favorite I said it

Cube was always my favorite Right And then he just took offense To Cube being my favorite And then through Biggie And then that's when offense to Q being my favorite and then threw Biggie and then that's when we started going back and forth. Because I understand

both arguments. I clearly understand both arguments. Yeah, I do too. Like, if you're from East Coast, when Biggie came out, there is very few moments other than when

Eddie Murphy came out that it was just a crystal block. Like, and we literally couldn't hear nothing else but Biggie on the New York side. Included here too. Anybody into hip hop

couldn't listen to anything else but Biggie. But I was too young to actually feel the first version of Ice Cube Wave. So that's the reason why I was like, ugh. Nah, see, I was a diehard fan. Listen, I'm going to tell you something. Before I met West Coast hip-hop, I was scared of all West Coast artists.

Because y'all described this shit. I thought Compton was a jail. Idiot. Straight out of Compton. I was like, wait a minute. I was like, I don't want to be locked up here. Like, I was like, yo, what the fuck? But because it was so different from the East Coast that when you described it, it was like, holy shit.

Just hearing the description of West Coast. They changed hip hop. The way that they came out and conveyed that emotion, that hadn't been done in hip hop, in my opinion. And just going back to the Ice Cube thing, my favorite groups at the time were NWA and Public Enemy. When Cube leaves and is with the Bomb Squad, that's it. It solidified for me who my favorite MC at the time were NWA and Public Enemy. When Cube leaves and is with the Bomb Squad, that's it. It solidified for me who my favorite MC at that time was. Right. There's a lot of synergy between those two.

Yeah. To me, it's the same on opposite sides of the spectrum. That's right. And they had the same energy. Dre and I, every single morning, on the way to the studio, to it takes a nation every moment it was that same energy from from their perspective right that's why I had that and it was supposed to go that way but got it and said, we can do it like this. Right.

And it'll do that. Right. And we bought that shit. Crush Groove, my favorite movie of all time, bro. Right. It's when Galaxy Records came. Uh-huh. Galaxy Records, that ball motherfucker in the end.

Uh-huh. I want to beat the shit out of that. Right. Whoever the guy was that played Galaxy Records in the end. Uh-huh. I want to beat the shit out of them. Right. Whoever the guy was that played Galaxy Records in the movie because he's too grung away from Russell

in the movie. And that's where the game got shitted on, man. Right. I heard you say in an interview as well, you said easy and sugar went through the same thing.

And I thought that was so deep because I don't think I think easy. I think sugar example was easy. So the fact that if what you're saying is true, that means that Suge didn't learn from Eazy. No. He took Eazy as like whatever, but most street, those are the two street gangsters that I knew in the industry. I mean, not know, but what I'm saying is. You knew about. Eazy, that was a powerful thing like

what y'all was doing and then death row i had never seen that neither you'd be a part of both fucking movements the world hadn't seen what death row created the world didn't see what nwa created um but you can you can see the environment that the music was created. Death Row, I had never seen so much power at one point. At one point, I remember me going to meet Leo Combs one time. Through the guard. We was in Vegas. And Leo Combs, he meets me, and he goes, I just seen Death Row guys.

I go, really? You know, because I'm on my own dick at the time. I'm like, wait, Jeff Rogais or whatever. And Leo goes, every one of them had a presidential. And I was just like, at the time, I didn't know what that shit meant, but I knew what he was saying.

He was like, no, Nori, you don't understand. Most of the time, it's one Rolex. Or it's saying. He was like, no, Nori, you don't understand. Most of the time, it's one Rolex. Or it's one. He's like, every fucking person walking with Def Ro, had on a fucking Rolex. He said, I ran out the way. But you think because he wanted that for every Def Jam artist? Is that what he's comparing you to?

I believe he did. I believe he did want that. And I believe that that was the first time you've seen like black power like i don't know if it was abused because i wasn't privileged to be around that much um but i remember that and i remember and this is not no racial thing but i remember this is the most powerful white man in the industry and he looked at me like jo Joe, let's not go downstairs right now. Wow. Like the deaf real guys just walked by.

I was like, what? No, no, bro. He was a smart guy. It's best to get that shit some room. Let it breathe a little bit. And me being a young dumb full of come from the hood, I'm not even respecting it. Oh, man, don't do it. But boy, I had no wins.

I did not know that. But what I'm saying is. Some of the things that I have seen. Right. My brother. Right. So what I'm saying is, because this is what I want to ask. We got to get into it.

You got to see Easy, one of the most powerful black street guys. It's very important for us to say, you know, street, not because of maybe not the education, but for where he came from. Because it's possible that a street guy right now can do it and do it right. That's right. Then you got Suge, who actually kind of wasn't a street guy. He was a college guy that actually got some street education and brung the streets with him. Right. Two different opposites and ended up the same exact way.

You know what, bro? You just added a level to it that I hadn't even thought of. Ah. Right? And that's a hell of a point. Mm-hmm. You know? Because I don't know Shoog's DNA.

I don't know his story. I hear it the same way that other folks do. I know that he's a 325 dog out there, you know. Yeah, he was serious. Yeah, he's not mad. He's not scared. He's going to make it do what it do. But I don't want no parts of none of that shit

you know unless I'm loaded and then let's go get it. But the difference between he and Eric That's Eazy-E bringing himself up

from heaven right now. He's like yeah he's like yeah yeah he's like call me Eazy man stop calling me Eric do you see? But the difference between Eazy

and Shoo. Shoo, Easy was quiet, but just as powerful. Shoo was flashy with his power. He wanted you to know it. Eric didn't want you to know it unless you had to know it I know because he was getting it he didn't want to even rap

originally right is that true that's what I've heard a bunch of times they was like clowning him to get into the booth he didn't have any rap skills at all I love that though his rhythm was horrible but he had

great character that's right that voice I love that though His rhythm was horrible But he had Charisma Great character That's right Right That voice And that it That you gotta have to be a And authenticity

That's right For what he was talking about That's right Cause one line he said Ice Cube breaks the rhymes That I say He said straight up I didn't know how hard

That line was Until I got older I was like he said that Ice Cube said I had no idea He was gonna say that That's just how got older. I was like, he said that? Q said I had no idea he was going to say that shit. That's how real he was. He was like,

I'm not going to fake it on the record. I'm going to tell you exactly what's going on. Right. And you know what's crazy? I don't think there's no one in this world that don't look at Eazy-E

as a real MC. I know it. Everyone looks at him like a real MC. I know it. And he told that to our face. He didn't. He wasn't behind the back.

And they arguing about all of these guys and the drinks. Yeah. And these guys. Well, you can't be this. Because of Ghost Rider. They all love Eric. Right. He's the one.

You know? But that's the nature of this. That's why I try never to get into those conversations. Right. Because you know this game, Norris. We artists. We stand on the shoulders of those that came before us. Nobody you can't be.

Those that came after me, you can't be the greatest without me. So we the greatest of all time. It's a collective. It's a collective. Whoever the hell you are it's true but hold up you say and I want to clarify because you said that they ended up in the same place

Suga and Eazy what do you mean by that pretty much like you know came to power and then you know lost they power because we really don't know what would have happened with Eazy had he survived well see when Dr. Dre was the key to everything.

So you think that's it? Once Dre left- What happened? You don't think they would have ever amended their problem? Who, Dre and Eric? Yeah. I think they did. Because Q talks about seeing Eazy-E in New York at the club.

I think even in the movie, didn't they say that, Gray, when you see him at the hospital or something like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure that they would've figured they'd step out at the end of the day, but now business is involved,

so it's different. Right. You can't go back to that no more. So you're saying Dick could've been another record besides Grand Finale.

Dick. I would've loved to see that. Me too. And we can't forget Ren in a part of that equation. It's just an incredible show to see as well. You know what I loved to see that. Me too. And we can't forget Ren and a part of that equation. It's such an incredible thing to see as well. That's right. You know what I wanted to see?

Eazy-E with a Twitter. Eazy-E on Instagram? He might not have humored social media. Nah, I think he would have been. I think he would have been with shit. I think he would have been with shit. He should have made a dollar. He'd have got in there and made a dollar.

That's true. And I know this is Kind of like cliche to say Right now right Because most people When they're making history They kind of don't know They're making history Or sometimes

It's kind of like You do know it From the NWA days Did you know you was A part of the most iconic Group that 35 years later People are still the same exact way? It's like, and people are still saying the same exact message. It's still fuck the police.

35 fucking years later. I knew. You did? I knew. Bro, I knew. See, most folks think the gift is in my pen, but it's in my ears. Oh.

Same as Drake. I thought you were going to say vision. Thinks it's in his production. Right. It's in his engineering. That's where the magic is. So anybody can make a hit record. Anybody can.

We know this now. Be consistent. making great shit. Right. Consistent quality. Yeah, you have to have quality control. Yeah. And that's hard for niggas that don't give a fuck about quality. They just give a fuck about making sure that you don't disrespect them or they look a certain way or the stuff they tell my butt. Dre is an animal when it comes to quality control.

But those aren't rumors when they say you'll be in there behind that microphone nine hours on a word. On a word? He's that. Now, when I flipped the script on his ass and got him in there. I think that. You was engineering. Yeah, he don't like that boy. But he taught me that.

You're probably the only one who can do that to him, though, I think. He don't like it. That's good. It's great. He does not like it. I bet you the vocals come out good. That's right. Because that's what we want. But I've seen them boys grow into great, iconic figures.

And I'm extremely blessed that I call them guys my brothers. And to have been on that journey with them And go through that learning process. But shit, I'm ready for mine now. You know? I love my guys. But I'm trying to make some new DOC shit. Right. Starting with that film. Right.

Then going into these communities with these schools and these programs. Then more music. whether I had an operation or just use this AI opportunity

you know I haven't figured that out yet when you say AI opportunity you're saying like use the AI for um it'll be his voice he could even say it probably I heard B like, use the AI for trying to get my voice back. It'll be his voice. He'll pen it. He could even say it, probably. I heard B.D. Siegel's trying to do that.

Yeah, I heard that, too. I think Siegel reached out to me about that. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, everybody feel this way. They feel that way. But it's not possible for me unless I get those masters back. So when the lady called and said she was interested in giving me my masters back, it seemed like a G.O.D.

thing. Okay, you ain't got to go get cut on. If you want it back that bad, I'll give it to you. Trying to tell me that this voice is important. You need to keep this one. Because when you talk, now motherfuckers are doing this.

Trying to hear what the fuck you got to say. And so I'm going to take advantage of that opportunity and do the right thing with it. But artistically, it's much more important for me to see if I could do in Dallas what I did. In Dallas, Fort Worth, what I could do in Dallas what I did. In Dallas, Fort Worth, what I helped do in LA. That's where I'm at with it. It's a legacy thing for you now. Yeah.

I mean, you know what I mean? I ain't got the money yet, but I got my mind back. You know what I mean? That's the most important thing. I don't consume. I try to stay away from all things. Fuck that.

Now I will smoke a little bit with you. I will smoke a little bit. For your cataracts. For your cataracts. But, you know I leave that stuff alone because it's a detriment to me

and other folks that have struggled with that stuff I try to you know be responsible enough to be a light for other people

that might be going through that same shit that I had to go through because it's not going to help you you know what I mean? If you're running from some shit, trying to find it in a bottle or in them pills or that yayo or whatever you're fucking with. Yeah, let's be honest. It's a poison.

I'm in love with the cool shit. You know, whatever you're doing, you're only going to get past it by facing your demon, whatever that is. Let's talk about Future Shot, right? That was the name of the label before Death Row, right? And at that time, when it was called Future Shot, I believe it was you, Dre, and Shug as partners? It was me and Dre's company. We owned it 35% a piece. Okay.

There was 30% left, and Suge and Dick Griffey were to split that. Hario came after that? Yeah. Okay. So Suge and Dick Griffey took the other half. Yeah. Well, by the time Hario came, well, by the time Ariel came,

Silk and Dre took it all and went and did their business with Jimmy. With Jimmy. And what was your relationship with Jimmy? He's the only one I didn't see in the documentary. I think Jimmy's a great guy. He's been a real positive influence on Dre. Right.

And helping him get to where he is today. Right. He's helped my guy make billions of dollars. Right. And so I can't do nothing but have love for Jimmy. Right. And I'm going to stick with that story. I kind of felt like Jimmy was special when Dre left, right?

And it was said, because obviously I'm not in the business like that. It was said that he left millions behind. When he left Death Row, he left millions behind. But he chose to leave, but he chose to stick with jimmy that's right i knew that they had a special type of relationship i knew that jimmy had to make

whatever it was with suge right but he had to make sure that he made sure his golden child that's right and i remember um it was an aftermath project and then it was a firm project which i was a part of i was a part of the firm project was one of the one of the most successful records on the firm projects you can look it up you can look it up i remember i remember like me recording with dre at that time and you know he was recording with a bunch of east coast guys naz az rock him was around yeah um no i don't Rakim was around? Yeah. Oh, no, I believe. I don't think he was around yet. Nah, I don't think he was around yet.

And I believe it was like Dre's like, I don't want to call it purgatory, but it's like somewhere where like, you know, it wasn't, he wasn't. He was getting it together still. He was getting it together still. And I just remember him sticking with Jimmy and I remember there's something special about that relationship there's something because most people like with the sugar situation he would have blamed most people would have blamed Jimmy as well because he was in in business with both of them at the same time with both of them but the fact that Dre did it and was like I'm gonna

move on but I'm to move on with you. I knew that Jimmy was. Yeah, bro, it ain't hard to see. You know what was going on in that. Sugar created this world. He controlled it. A dude said, Compton, it's like prison. And really going to that studio every day was like

being on the yard. It was rough. They was in there looking like they was ready to bench press 8,000 pounds and ready to just do whatever. We've heard tons of stories.

I know there's blood. Remember the Warren G story. You're alone. That was a great story. I don't remember you ever seeing you wear red at all. Thank you, brother. I don't remember you ever seeing you wear red. Oh, yeah.

I wear red. See? Okay. No, you know, I'm a good nigga, right? Mm-hmm. I can go anywhere. Mm-hmm. Yes.

I go to Compton if I'm in. If I'm on one side, they call me DOC. If I'm on the other side, they call me DOP. I answer to everybody. You're neutral. It's all good because I never I never understood that That The politics

That mentality The way they did I was raised In Dallas, Texas In the projects Yeah We didn't get out like that Right

It wasn't gang banging going on When I left It wasn't banging Right In Texas I came back here But when I came back here I mean Really Listen to Ice Cube Summer Vacation Right Holy shit companion. Right. In Texas. I came back, yeah. But when I came back, I came back like a motherfucker.

I mean, listen to Ice Cube Summer Vacation. Right. Holy shit. That's why we say they should make a movie of that. It'll explain everything.

I left Dallas in 87, 88. Mm-hmm. When I came back with a finished record in 89. When I left, it looked like

everybody looked like Houdini. When I came back, everybody looked like Houdini when I came back everybody looked like Eazy the whole fucking city that was the era it was like a cultural shock and shit I was like

what the fuck just happened you're like these people done changed with me you went to Compton they went to Compton too I came back I thought I was special but they all looked like me

and we was all trying to look like Eric. Easy. But what you said earlier today about that time period is exactly correct. That hip hop is still in that same spot. And easy is still the prototype. But every hip-hop commercially successful artist that's in the game 99.9% of them today.

Right I mean if you listen to what you guys is writing for easy and you listen to Trill, y'all the fathers of it. Trill, you Trill? Yeah, if you listen to Trill music. Nah, nah, nah, CQ was. Nah, nah, nah, you gotta take that part too. Drill you drill Yeah If you Listen to drill music No no no See Cube was No no no You gotta take that part too

I do I do No I do No I do Yeah you gotta take that part too Cube was the spirit What In WA

That's why It had a revolutionary Element Right Right But when Cube Easy's just a thug He just wanna talk about Murder death kill He don's just a thug he just want to talk about

murder death kill he don't give a fuck who he who dies you know and so that's it turned into that right and and that's what the world was built up off of and at least for the music is concerned but i mean ren had a little revolutionary side it was just he was way more hardcore about it. Right. But Cube was, Cube led those guys musically. Artistically? Yeah. You know what I mean? When he wrote and we followed the path, when he left, you know, everybody's just talking like, like I said, Murder, Death, Kill. Ran and started doing his more revolutionary stuff till he did his own record. Right, right.

Then he could lead his, because he was following A.C.'s lead after Cube left, you know. You know what's crazy? People say that since then, that's probably like the last West Coast on West Coast beat. Or LA on LA. That's known. Yeah, I mean, you got Game and Razzcast. Right. But other than Ice Cube versus NWA, I don't think this...

And it got pretty serious with the Lynch Mob and with NWA. It got pretty serious. Far Lynch mob and with NWA. It got pretty serious. Farrakhan had to step in, right? I don't remember. I think Farrakhan was a part of Q Common. Yeah, he got involved in that one. But it may have been hostile on records, but it never made it. Streets.

Yeah, it never made it that far because Dre wasn't trying to. Right. And I don't think Eazy was, you know, he was still winning. Right. You know, he had found the bone guys. Right. And so he was back in the game. And we was just trying to figure out how we going to win.

Where do we go now? Because Dre was, I don't want to say afraid. He didn't know what he was going to do. Right. You know, he didn't want to do a record. He didn't like his voice. He don't like how he sounds. He doesn't think he could carry a solo record.

I'm like, yes, you can, bro. He just wanted to be behind the boards. Yeah. But no, bro, you all we got. His just wanted to be behind the boards. Yeah. But no, bro, you're all we got. His name was too big. He was the one. Don't worry about it. I'm going to be right here.

And we don't want to. But he didn't feel it. But when Snoop came and Warren G played a demo with Snoop. 213. Yeah. 213, that's Warren G, Snoop, and Nate Dogg. Played at a bachelor party for somebody. That's crazy. And the bachelor party loved Snoop.

Snoop came to the studio the next day or two, and that was it. All right. It was on after that. All right. And Snoop moved from Long Beach into my house in the that. Right. And they moved, Snoop moved from Long Beach into my house. Right. In the valley.

Right. And we did that for about six months. Then I got kicked out and we all moved into Drake. But that's how the myths got made. Right, right. You know what I mean? Right. We'd be in there smoking and drinking and somebody would say something but that's how them hits got made. Right, right, right. You know what I mean?

We be in that smoking and drinking and somebody will say something and then we'll be back at it. You know, it was beautiful times because it was just a close-knit group of friends. I can't lie to you. When I look at the footage of y'all making the chronic and y'all just in the studio and Dre hitting the pianos

and y'all just sitting there bullshitting. Like, I just wanted to be a fucking fly on the wall, bro. Like, because, again, I just asked you this question earlier. Did you know you was making history? And you said you kind of did. Oh, yeah. You had to have known. Oh, yeah.

Already what you had accomplished up to that point. Even if that's the case, you might have known you were making history, but you didn't. No, you don't know the gravity of it. The gravity of the history is because, I mean. You don't know how it's going to impact, where it's going to go. Well, when you made the chronic, I heard it just like you heard it. Right.

I heard it too. Right, right, right. I heard that bitch when it was made. I was like, oh, no. That motherfucker. I could imagine in the studio, y'all listening back to that. You already knew what it was made. I was like, oh no. This motherfucker. Oh no. Y'all couldn't imagine in the studio, y'all listening back to that? Come on, bro.

You already knew what it was. Yeah, yeah. And you went from G-Thing to Lil Ghetto Boy to Rat-a-tat-tat and all of these. He was like, oh, he finna kill these motherfuckers. Right. And then Snoop is finna be, matter of fact, when Deep Cover dropped right yeah he's like

oh man this is over with this banana and trey the video to deep cover trade and he wanted to do the video i had to trick him to get up there she'll say just get him over here and he was salted in a because he didn't want to do the video. But by the time you got your ass up there, it was too late to back out now. You could kind of see it in his face, I think, in the video. Damn, I didn't get that. He kind of looked like he's bitter.

He was pissed. He didn't want to be there. But we had to get him there. But that record, single-handedly, was like, it set off that whole movement. And it was crazy because it's Dre. Everybody knows Dre. And it's this brand new artist being put out there equally with Dre.

So that's what makes a crazy impact. Everyone was scared to death. If you look at that video, Snoop has a problem connecting with the camera. Because he doesn't know yet. All street people, let me tell you something. If you're from the streets, if you look at anybody that's from the streets, you cannot look at the camera direct. Because we were taught not to be in front of cameras.

And then we go from not to be in front of cameras to saying, hey, you were always the most awkward in your first year. So hold on, let me see it. I didn't know that. I'll continue. The G-Tank video, hey, awesome. You were always the most awkward in your first year. So hold on, let me see it. I didn't know that. I'll continue. The G-Tank video, you see it. The deep cover video, you see it. But now you see him.

You know what I mean? Right. He's making shrimps with Martha now. Yeah, that's hard. Snoop's on a chain with it. You know what I'm saying? That's hard. Up there with old Martha.

But Martha did a bit, though. Yeah. Martha Gangsta. No, no, she aren't. She'm chained with it. You know what I'm saying? That's hard. Up there with old Martha. But Martha did a bit, though. Yeah. Martha gangsta. No, no, she hard. Yeah. She hard. I think Martha got a razor under her tongue. She's chopping it up with Snoop.

I think she had a razor under her motherfucking tongue. Yeah. She loves to wave. Yeah, she do? So she... I want to smoke with Martha Stewart. I want to smoke with... We got to have Martha on drink champs.

Martha on drink champs. That would be so hard. That would be crazy. That would be hard. That would be... Martha, wherever you at, we need you on drink champs. We need Martha on drink champs. That would be so hard. That would be crazy. That would be hard. You know, Martha, wherever you at, we need you on drink champs. Okay, so we got to, this is a game we play. We going there. Let's go.

It's called Quick Time of Slime. So we know you're not drinking. If you want one of your homies to be a designated drinker, you could do that. Okay, you got me. Okay, all right. We got it. Fill them up. Jamie, you got to fill them up jamie you gotta fill them up over there

freddie kane all right so again you got me for the game yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so this is how we play it um so if you could pick one or the other if you pick both you'd be politically correct then then then your friend drinks but we're going to drink water. We all drink. We're going to leave them out there. You know what I mean? Okay. And this is meant to trick you.

So both or neither? Yeah, both or neither. If you don't answer it, we drinking. And by the way, we don't make up these questions. Me and the Cuban guy, it's the Colombian guy. The Colombian Dominicans over there. They make up these questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we don't make up these questions. Okay. By the way, this first one off top, you're going to drink, sir. We're all drinking. We're all drinking. You're all drinking. questions, okay. By the way, this first one off top, you're going to drink, sir. We're all drinking. We're all drinking. You're all drinking. Okay, Jay. What are you?

What are you? I'll just have a drink. We got all kinds, so whatever you want to drink. Yeah, whatever you want. What do you feel? I have them on my mind. Okay, yeah, I'll do vodka, yep. Okay, you ready, Jamie?

Dr. Dre or Snoop? Oh, no, we know. Oh, man, oh, man. Oh, man. Dr. Dre or Snoop? No, we know we're off. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Because I knew you was going to do that. It's not me. It's not me. It really wasn't.

It's not me. It's not me. I knew that was going to happen. So I thought about that. I said, because I watched you in jail Might as well bring a couple Yeah Oh mine's this here? Yeah you might

I'm a drink I'm a drink So you're saying both right? I'm a drink I'm a drink I'm a drink I'm a drink I'm a drink

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I want to give up the documentary, but I want to send people to go watch this motherfucker. Shit, we should host a premiere here if we can. I would love to. Let me just tell you something. Let me just tell you something. It's not that they show him love. It's the genuineness in their voice.

Like, when you look at them at that documentary, they proud to be there. You understand what I'm trying to say? They are happy to lend their time to this legacy. Shared legacy and real relationship. Real relationship. That's what people need to understand. So, I got to tip my hat off to you, to them, for that. Cheers. Sal relationships. Real relationships. That's what people need to understand. So I got to tip my hat off to you,

to them, for that. Cheers. Salud. Salud. Mmm. That wasn't even ice in there. This is warm,

my chest got mad hot. And if you got any stories with anybody we mentioned, stop, tell us a story, please. What's your name, my man? Freddie Cain.

Yeah, Freddie Cain, he going to get you fucked up today. For all Tell us a story, please. What's your name, my man? Freddie Cain. Yeah, Freddie Cain. He's going to get you fucked up today. If you're fucked up, we're fucked up. We're going to be fucked up with you, though. For all the years

of him not drinking, because that was one of the parts of the documentary, too. He said, I haven't drank in 15. And they said, what? He said, 15 days.

I said, oh, shit. Okay, Eazy-E or Tupac Y'all ain't right You see me I'll take a shot for that Yeah you're gonna have to drink for that Salud Okay

You get the next one You right They right bro You might be too old Ice Cube or Scarface Go ahead bro I just I was just

With face last night Don't tell me Y'all playing golf No yeah I'm showing down Okay okay okay And uh He's behind the desk.

Oh, that was soft. Oh, the tiny desk? Yeah. Yeah, he killed it. Yeah, he killed it. He killed it. I think that's one of the best tiny desks I've ever seen.

Yeah. Bro, like, it was at a place in Dallas called the Bomb Factory. And it went straight out of Compton. The movie came out.

Motherfuckers was blowing my, people were blowing my, you know, blowing me up. Like, you're in the market. They talked me into doing a concert. And Face was in, Face was locked up in Atlanta. And he called one of them boys from Houston to bond him out so he could catch a flight home to Houston. Then drove four hours to Dallas to be in that show with me. Face, right? to Dallas to be in that show with me. Face. Right.

So when I heard it, I said, I got to go down there. Stumped a yard for my guy. So Scarface means a lot. He's a Texas. He's an alum from my state. One of the few guys that's in my class that I really respect. In fact, he was in a Rat Pack that was in Atlanta. In those days, it was me and Pimp C, Pac and Breed, Richie Rich from Atlanta and from Oakland and Too Short.

Richie Rich from Oakland. Yeah. And we all hung out. Everybody was living in Atlanta? Yeah. Eric Sermons, who was down there around the same time? This is Magic City. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

The original Magic City. Oh, yeah. Very, very important to remember that. Man, look, Magic was my friend. Yeah. Because I was balling then. And I would go in there and, man, look at him. They said you had a bed in there.

Like, you used to go to sleep. That was in my addiction days, bro. Did you sleep? I was one of the few people that, like when anybody's ever been in Magic, the OG one, you know, you walk in and the club is over there. But as soon as you walk in the door, there's a door right here that leads downstairs. That's where. He got the layout. That's what Magic's office is and the girls go to do their thing.

I was one of the few folks that Magic would let go down there because I was just loaded, man. I don't even know how to ask. I'm just walking through it like... And they lock up. There ain't nobody. That's Doc.

Let him alone. I'd be down that door, man. Look at him. You couldn't nobody that's doc. Let him alone. I'd be down at your man. Look in You could put that part in the movie I think we cheers the ecstasy on the low. I'm just being honest before ecstasy. I believe agencies of all the hair somewhere I'm just being honest. All right. Ready? I'll ask this one. Go ahead.

Nas or Jay-Z? Oh. You got shot. How you doing? Bro, you going to be fucked up. I like it. Damn, I feel bad for you now. Because I came here.

I'm going to tell you something. And it's kind of because I met the first time I met Dot and Oz, it was in the middle of my addiction. Oh, wow. And he rode his bicycle along. I was doing a video for a song called, on Elder Skeletor record. And what's the guy? That was Dre's album, right? No, it's

the album. I stole the title from Dre. Oh. And made the album myself. And put it out. That's why you never heard about it. Okay. But he rode his bike all the way uptown to holler at C-Doc and when you when you You rode this bike all the way uptown to see Doc.

And when you, when you, out there, you know, it's a weird space, bro. Like when you're, when you fucked up, you really don't want to like be around, you don't want to be around nobody You don't want to be around nobody. You just want to be somewhere where I guess you can think. I guess. I don't know. But

it wasn't the best introduction to him. But he was a gentleman. So much class. And I had a chance to say the same thing. To him I said, it's into you. Years later. So I never had a chance to say the same thing to him. I said, thank you, years later. And so I never had a chance to meet Jay-Z.

I never met him. So I don't have any reference for him. But I got tons of respect for Nas, not just as an emcee, as one of the GOATs, but just as a human being. Let's take a shot to that. I don't know who he picked as a human being. Let's take a shot to that. I don't know who he picked. Yeah, did you pick? Let's take a shot. Or is it both?

I said drink. Drink it up. Oh, drink it up. To me, he's saying drink. I feel like it's going to be that one for us today. Okay.

Jacob put my name in a song. I can't. That's right. You know, I can't go the other way now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I fucked up everything. The DOC,

he put the ROC, right? That's right. Yep. I remember. The public service announcement. God damn it. Come on. Boys in the Hood? Or Menace to Society.

Or Menace to Society. The movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all ain't right. It could be whatever criteria Yeah whatever criteria you want Maybe you was on a good mood When you saw one movie Man that's just bad

Y'all trying to just do a nigga Nah nah but Because Menace was a great movie For that time Old dog? Yeah man It was a great movie For that time. Old Dog? Yeah, man. It was a great movie for that time. MC8 was incredible in that movie.

I meet LaVince Tate now. I'm like, nigga, you was Old Dog? Man. I'm scared to death of you, man. You know what I'm saying? That dude, nigga. Are you kidding me? He got manicures and shit.

You meet LaVince Tate. You like, nigga, you Old Dog. Man, he's a real actor. That's why. He got manicures and mascara on and shit. I'm just playing. And Boys in the Hood is a super classic. I'd have to say Menace on that one.

Really? Okay. Menace? Okay, that's cool. We ain't drinking. All right. The Chronic or Doggy Style? And this one says, he must pick one.

I didn't, they put that. They put in parentheses. The Chronic. Even though, sonically, Doggy Style is a much better record. I kind of agree with you to a certain extent. I listened to them back and forth yesterday. But the songs, the actual songs that are put together are better on the chronic. It's a better journey. It's more fun.

Right. It's entertaining. It's actually the foundation to it. Yeah. It's the foundation. Yeah, he learned to perfect that for Doggystyle. Yeah. It's actually, yeah.

Sonically, sonically. Yeah. And there's a song called, I've been popping and stopping like a rabbit. When I get to me number, I should know what's to happen. Shouldn't it? First time I ever heard Snoop freestyle a song. There's no words to that.

And it wasn't, I'm going to sit and think of the line and say the next line. This nigga just came in and started rapping. That's why the rhymes might be same elementary because that's the way he structured his stuff as a kid. That song took about three minutes to make

same line. That nigga just came in and had Dre cut the beat on. Dude started rapping. Dre said, stop. Get out of the booth. Said, wait for the break to end. Come back in a minute. Start.

Stop. Wow. Start. And no retakes, no nothing one time through. Wow. That was one take? One time through. And the only other person that I've ever seen do that, besides myself in the studio,

was Corrupt. Corrupt was a one-take guy. A lot. A lot. You know? He's amazing. Brings us to our next question. Daz or Corrupt?

Oh, man, y'all fucked up. I can't do it. Y'all better get you some. All right. Salah. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Here's to the Dog Pound. Salah. Who is... I'm going to talk about a time I hung out with you in All right. Salo. Cheers, cheers, Salo. Here's to the Dog Pound.

Salo. Who is, and we're going to talk about the time I hung out with you in Dog Pound, too. I don't know if you remember. What are we going to talk about? Those guys really met, those Long Beach guys,

really the Dog Pound guys really made L.A. Because me and Dre used to feud. Because even though Long Beach is not considered L.A. Right. It's not considered L.A. That's right.

Okay. But those dudes took me to they hood, and I'm on they block with these boys, and I'm kicking it like, you know. There's no red in Long Beach. Mm-hmm. It's all blue. Mm-hmm. I don't have to worry about where I am or nobody fucking with me. You know what I mean? Because I'm with these boys, and I done seen...

I done seen these... I done seen folks get killed for, you know, just serving the group. Except for Krupp from 60s. Right. Yeah, yeah, let me ask you. He wants you to know he from 60s. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, he don't play that. But he from Philly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he from Philly. But he's 60. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He don't play that. But he from Philly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He from Philly. But he's a neighborhood guy. Yeah. Every now and then, I just like to get corrupt mad

because I like that. You could. That's how we're good. We all want church stuff. We want it. That's how we're good. Yo, let me tell you something. If you've never heard

Corrupt Curse, when he's in crib mode, it's the wonderfulest thing ever. I'm just being honest with you. But you just got to piss him off a little bit. And he can't stop saying, ka, ka, ka, ka, ka, ka, ka, ka, ka, ka. And then he just keeps going. And he, it's the most beautifulest vernacular in the human language when Kurupt is mad and he's just on his, ka, ka, ka. Me and Kurupt was going at it when I did a hang with them boys during that Grammy celebration. I was talking to Corrupt, and he was, you know, Corrupt was a deep dude.

Like, you don't get that from him just on GP. Right. But he's a deep thinker. Yes, he is. You know what I mean? Like, you can't come up with words like that. He a lyricist. Yeah.

I mean, he got a deep. And he drink a lot of tequila. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I was in a space where I felt not the most comfortable in that space because up until that point, nobody ever called me for nothing. You know what I mean? Right. When they get the awards or they get to this or they get to that. But Q made it a point.

I seen that. And he kept, no, you got to come out. No, you need to. So I said, you know what, I'm coming. You know what I mean? Right. Never gave me no Grammy, though. Now, mine didn't show up.

So if you're listening, I said, what's the lady's name? I got some woman's name. I said, thanks, the lady. Sent her an email. Decided to give me a Grammy this year. I show up. Just in case y'all forgot my address. But? Just in case y'all forgot my address. But when I saw what's the ball player for Boston, not Tatum, the other guy, Jalen Brown.

When Jalen Brown showed up for Q at that big three thing. Oh, the big three. The big three thing. I says to Q, that was a light he gave you in front of the whole world. When you called me about that Grammy thing, that was

a light you were giving me in front of the whole world. So I had to come and accept that gift from you just on GP because when you were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you said,

Doc, it's my guy and he should be here. I wish he was here. He helped write all the records. So you was given a precursor then, that next time we do this, I'm going to call my guy. And you was true to that. So I had to be a real one and stand up there with you. That's integrity, man.

Yeah. But there's something about you that makes everyone want to give you your props like that. It's not just Cube. It's not just Dre. It's not just Snoop. It's not just Eminem. It's something about you like the industry wants to give you It's not just Cube. It's not just Dre. It's not just Snoop. It's not just Eminem. It's something about you. Like, the industry wants to give you your flowers.

Yeah, bro, it's the door guys. Yeah, it's the door guys that's not going to give you your flowers? Fuck the door, motherfucker. You saw what you saw. Can you give me a reason why? Yeah, it's that. You know what I mean? Same reason me.

Can you give me a reason? I can't give know what I mean? Same reason me. Can you give me a reason? I can't give you a reason, but I look at it like this. There's a, it's a G-O-D thing. And so this path that I walked, and I told my mother when I was coming, I'm taking drink champs to church. Because it's a G.O.D. thing, and they need to know that. And the G.O.D. thing is a D.O.C. thing. That's right. God damn it.

So when they say, why, oh, why didn't it happen like this, or why did it happen like this? Because it's a G.O.D. thing. Right. He need folks to know this is not happening because of this person. Right. Or happening because of that person. Or not happening because of this person. It's a GLD thing.

And when it's his time, watch what he do. You know what I mean? And so even us having this opportunity to sit down and talk is a part of that plan, bro. Blessing, yeah. You know what I mean? We've been talking for two years almost. When you're going to come, I say, I don't have nothing to talk about. But when the Grammy thing happened, I said, well, now I feel like I got something.

Well, let me just tell you something. This is your house. You don't need nothing to talk about. If you want to come over here and talk about pink toenails. He's not going to talk about that because he's not opening that door. I'll say that to say we don't care because you know what? We created this

platform for you. We created this platform for us, for people. There's no other genre in this game that has this word washed up. People say you did 10 years in this game and has this word washed up. People say, you did 10 years in this game and they want to throw us away. They don't do that in

rock and roll. They don't do that in jazz. I'm not going to allow them to do that in hip hop. I'm not. I just can't. They say that wine gets better with time. How the fuck we ain't? What the fuck is we doing? I'm not allowing that on my time. Not on my time. Not on my time.

Not on my time. This show is created for that, and we're going to continue to do it. And guess what? We're great at it, motherfucker. That's right. We're great at it. We're great at giving people flowers who deserve it. That's right.

Because the more they say the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice, motherfucker. That's right. That means when we go with time, we get better with time. We don't get worse with time. Only people who get worse with time is stupid people. And I don't think we're stupid at all. At all, bro. At all.

We're out here doing this. And again, let me get back to the documentary because it shows how much you mean to the community. How much you mean to hip hop. How much you mean to the community, how much you mean to hip-hop, how much you mean to humanity, and how you brought the 360. I believe it's a pastor. What's the black brother's name that you got with

in a documentary? Reverend Johnson. Reverend Johnson. Okay. He's Martin Luther King guy. He's the new Martin Luther King. We need to talk about him. He was in... He was with him? Yeah. He was the new Martin Luther King. Oh, yeah. We need to talk about him. He was in. He was with him? Yeah. Yeah.

He was in college when King started his nonviolent movement. Wow. He worked really closely with, he's the same age as Sharpton and those guys. Oh, wow. You know, and They sent him to Dallas In 68 Wow Reverend Johnson

Wow To Another one Jamie Clear the way for For Dr. King to come through Right Because the city didn't want King there

Right Both sides You know what I'm saying? Democrat and... No, I mean the white folks. And the black folks? That's right. Oh.

That's right. They didn't want Dr. King. That's right. The black preachers during that time was on Reverend Johnson's head about... Because they didn't want it. You know what I mean?

Because Dr. King would be messing up their money. Wow. You know how the game goes, bro. It's nothing. It was probably nothing different than the way he's acting. And Dr. King was knocking down

pitchers too. That's what I heard. Man, you had to he was wild for that. He was running trips. I heard he was outside. You talking about Dr. King? He was wild for that.

I mean, I know what you're talking about. That's what they use Coinshell Pro against them. They try to use that against them. He wild for that. I mean, I know what you're talking about. That's what they use. Coins sell pro against them. They try to use that against them. But that's what's fucking. He was having an affair. That's what they try to use.

Yeah, I still follow him. They fine. You still follow him? He's not on your G, bro. There he is. No, he's not. He follows the wrong motherfucker. He on my G.

Yo, man, let's respect the Dr. King, bro. I still follow Dr. King to this day. That's a weak argument. That's what I'm saying. I still follow Dr. King that's a weak argument that's what I'm saying to try to get you to not like a brother you know what I mean like they try to get him to commit suicide they try to get him to commit suicide

and COINTELPRO yeah the FBI they try to use that against him they spied on him they found out that he was having an affair and they tried to get him to commit suicide cause he got a little trim while he was getting a trim

yeah I'm still following Dr. King do your research don't go off of my research do your research but that's what i've seen but peter but peter johnson came down peter johnson that's that's to help lay the groundwork for dr king and they killed him that year i mean that was the year he died oh dr king i'm thinking jay and J. and Peter Johnson. I've just seen him in a document. So he dies, and Reverend Johnson stays for a while, and then they ask him to come back. But there had been a particular police story going on back then about this particular policeman who was executing black and brown kids. Wow. In Dallas brown kids. Wow. In Dallas?

Yeah. Okay. I think one of the stories is it was a little, the Latin kid's name was Santos, I think. And he had the kid handcuffed in his car. And he was playing Russian roulette with his pistol, trying to get the kid to confess to something. And blew his head off. And Reverend Johnson stomped the yard.

He did all the things that they did back then to get the police off the street. Wow. And the story he tells me is he went in, stomping, and the powers that be told him that they would get him off the street, but they couldn't prosecute him from killing a nigger, you know. And so they took him off the street. And then the folks in Atlanta called Reverend Johnson back to Atlanta and when Reverend Johnson went back to Atlanta they gave the dude his gun and put him back on the street he went right back out there and killed another baby and when he did that Peter Johnson came back to Dallas and he was there ever since matter of fact the year I was born Peter Johnson was walking around in the projects I was born in, feeding people. That's crazy.

You know what I mean? And so I wanted for him, I wanted that light to be on him in this documentary. In that way. Yeah, bro. Because he deserved it. Like, he's the most humble man I know. Yeah, selfless. Unassuming person.

Doesn't care about money. Still to this day, he's out there struggling, trying to help other folks. Right. And so I'm trying to, you know, do what I can to help him now. And he said, he linked with you. He said, because people want your autograph, not his. When they should want his. Right.

You know what I mean? Because without them, he paved the way for all of these boys that can get out there and get that money like that. They wouldn't have been able to do it without this guy. I forget what the quote is. This kind of father makes this kind of child that makes this kind of child that makes this kind of child. And it goes in a circle. Like, we back on the Malcolms and the Martins. We need them niggas to show up right about now.

And they're going to come from the street. That's how everything come from the street, bro. The win and the loss. It's from the street. When I talk to these young boys, I use the

story of Samson in the Bible to try and you relate that to your voice no I'm relating that story to them because if you know the story in the book Samson didn't do but

two things he didn't preach to nobody he didn't go get nobody to word he did two things mess with women and whoop a whole lot of ass that's it and that's not a whole lot different from what these boys is doing the only difference is he understood

whose I guess is the best way whose he was that there's a purpose why he was doing it. He wasn't just doing it to be. So I tell these young boys, if you're a killer, that's great. Let's figure out the best reason why you're going to do it so you're not just doing something to be doing something. If you're going to throw away your life, then be purposeful with it.

Right, throw it with purpose. I mean, same way these folks put on the stars and stripes and they go over here to wherever they at and bust them folks in the ass. It's the same thing, but your purpose makes it seem like it has a different meaning to it. So I tell these boys in these neighborhoods that as far as those weapons are concerned, you are your savior or your enemy.

It's you. Because you got the gun. Same way the Black Panthers used to say that this little circle is ours. We're not letting nobody come in here and do nothing. You know what I mean? Whether you got blue on or red on or black on or If you're dropped in that circle.

Yeah, it's not going on in here. It's a safe zone. If you guys develop that attitude, then whatever y'all do inside this circle, as long as it's not harming nobody, get your money. Yeah. Yeah.

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We got the number one team in the Northwest Division The Oklahoma City Thunder They will be playing the number two team in the Northwest Division, the Oklahoma City Thunder, they will be playing the number two team in the Atlantic Division, New York Knicks, in Madison Square Garden. I know this is a fan favorite. It is. So let's get right to it. I'm going with Knicks.

Automatically. Okay. He's going everything Knicks down the line. We can go backwards on that. So for total points, New York Knicks averages 111.9. Are they going higher or lower at home? We're going to go higher because Fat Joe is going to be there. Spike Lee is going to be there eating hot dogs and corn dogs.

I think Rosie Perez is coming out. You know what I'm saying? So I think I'm going to go higher. Diego, higher or lower, 111.9? I'm going to go lower than 111.9, although they will still win. 111.5. Okay. Now, for the Young Guns, the number one team, these guys are running EFN.

They're led by the youngest, Kat Shai, Gilgis Alexander for Oklahoma City. They average 120.7 a game. We're going higher or lower than 120.7? I'm going to say higher. I'm going to say lower because bright lights, big city. A lot of people think you're ready, but it's still one of the greatest places to play on Earth is the Madison Square Garden. A lot of people

see those bright lights in that big city, and they kind of fold. So as a young team, not too much experience, I think the Garden is going to be the winner of this game. You said they're going to be deer and headlights. That's a big deal. That's a big statement. Now, we're going to continue in this format. So for assists, Gilgis Alexander, he averages 6.3 assists with a turnover average of 2.2.

So we're doing higher or lower, EFN? Which one? I'm going to say lower. The assists? On the assists. On the assists. Lower. Lower than 6.3.

NRE? Yeah, I'm going to go lower. Lower? With the horrible New York Knicks defense, I say higher. Wait a second. Watch your mouth. I'm keeping it 100%. I think it's real.

This is about money. This is not personal. This is about the money. Jalen Brunson, he averages 6.4. It says higher or lower? Higher. Yeah, I'm going higher. Higher?

Higher. Okay. Jalen Brunson is a monster, man. He's a beast. He's a monster. He's doing'm going higher. Higher? Higher. Okay. Jalen Brunson is a monster, man. He's a beast. He's a monster. He's doing it. They're going to need a score. Now, for rebound category, we're introducing a new player to this.

Patrick, you want to come back? I wish he was. If Patrick doesn't come back, I'm going to expand again. I'm going to drink Champ's kicks. We have Chet Holmgren. He averages 7.9 rebounds a game. Chet Holmgren? Holmgren. Holmgren? Chet Holmgren? He averages 7.9 rebounds a game. Chet Holmgren? Holmgren.

Holmgren? Like Holmgrown B? He's a rookie, by the way. He's a rookie. He got hurt in the first practice last year, so they redshirted him. He's bad guys at rookie. He's a rookie. He's about 7-something.

Who's that other guy? Who's that guy? So he averages 7.9 rebounds. Higher or lower? He's a Knick? No. He's an OKC. He's an OKC?

He's going to go lower than that, sir. Higher, higher, higher. Absolutely higher. Now, who's going to combat him is Isaiah Hardinson. He is a Nick. He's 8.4 rebounds. Diego, what are we doing? We're going to need him to go higher for the Nick win.

So, for the points, let's just end it with the two all-stars. Jalen Brunson, 27.5 points throughout the season. He's going higher or lower than 27.5. I'm going to say he's going higher. Again, bright light, big city. This is his town. It is his town. Sonny?

100% higher because he's going to battle the youngster. He's going to put up at least 40. My opinion. I won't go as high as 40, but I'll say higher than 30. Higher than 30? It's higher than 27. And he might come out with the Trump sneakers on. Oh.

That changed the game entirely. That changed the game entirely. Those things are not the same. It's New York. It's New York. For Gilgis Alexander from OKC. Oh, no, no, no. He's not going to shoot.

I'm going lower for Gilgis. Yeah, I say higher. Higher. I say higher. He's a kid, and they let him shoot 50 times if he wants all right i'm gonna go lower okc in new york in madison square garden drink champs army don't forget to download the underdog fantasy app use the code drink champs drink or champs let's go Jada Kiss

or Pusha T Kiss Kiss Okay Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt Illmatic Ghetto Boys or UGK Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt? Illmatic.

Ghetto Boys or UGK? Yeah. Drink up? Yeah. Okay. All right, cool. Solo. Oh, shots.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ross. Eminem or Busta Rhymes? Yeah, you might want to get you one on that one. Eminem or Busta Rhymes? Oh. Yeah, you might want to get you one on that one. Okay, all right, cool. Jamie, where you at? We waiting on you? Yeah, we waiting on you, Jamie. Where we at?

Yeah, both of those guys is my guys. Okay. So we owe one shot. You got your shot? Oh, I don't got a shot. Yeah, I of those guys is my guys. Yeah. Okay. So we owe one shot. You got your shot? Oh, I don't got a shot. You got a shot. You got a shot, too? Yeah.

I'm the only one without a shot. I mean, I'm pouring my own, so. Okay. Yeah, let me take my eyes. Thank you. Where we at now? DJ Quick or Battle Cat? Damn, bro.

Fuck this shit. This is not cool at all. I love that. We're almost not done. I love that. I love that. DJ Battle Quick. Battle Cat. Battle Quick. Battle Quick. I like that. DJ Battlequick. Battlecat.

No, Battlequick. Battlequick. I like that. I like that. He's saying both, so we got to drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go to the next one. I want to switch this one up.

Okay. Lady of Rage. No, that's Lady of Rage or Remy Ma. Rage. I mean, I got her. I was going to say, just out of respect, her passing, Boss. Rest in peace to Boss. Yeah, man.

Well, Boss. That's right. I was going to say Boss because she just passed away. People in Dallas Fort Worth love her. Yeah, she was from Detroit. Ew, man. She was ew. Somebody just sent me a screenshot a few days ago of an album that she never released.

Her album cover was a duplicate of my album cover. Oh, wow. She was definitely influenced by everything y'all were doing. Yeah. Wow. You could see that. Karis, what about Rakim? Oh, man, come on now. And I love Chris. Love. That meansis won or Rakim? Oh, man, come on now.

And I love Chris. Love. That means you're saying Rakim? Come on, bro. He's my guy. Because you kind of didn't curse like Rakim, right? He's my guy, bro. Is that the reason why you didn't curse because of Rakim?

Okay. Bro, however good I got to be is because I was trying to be as good as Rakim was. Wow. No, he said he picked. No, he picked Rakim. You don't know the game. You should drink for making a mistake.

We'll teach you the rules later. Slick Rick or Biggie? You heard, Doc? Slick Rick or Biggie? Man, that's... Man, y'all got to drink on that one, because...

Shit. Because I can't say nobody over Biggie. How much respect do you have for Biggie? That's dope. I can't say nobody over Slick Rick either. I respect that. From my humble opinion, bro, there's only two people that have ever touched a microphone to me and created a street where there was no street. And the first guy was, well, shit, it was the same time.

It was Slick Rick and Rakim. Before those guys came, everything was syncopated in one way. The flows were all similar then rock him to question and bent it around the corner mm-hmm and in slick red cane and did some shit that only he could do and then I'm gonna start trying to do do it the way he was doing it but but man yeah those those two guys are Mount Rushmore guys to me. Yeah, I agree. Big Daddy Kane or LL Cool J? Mm.

Yeah, I'm going to take one. You're drinking? You're drinking? Yeah, you got to drink it up. I'm doing it. Because I was Big Daddy Kane Kane who was a great friend and I got a story about Cool J.

Okay. Let's hear them both. Please. When? When I was a you've seen this in a movie it just didn't show up. Okay.

When I did the show that my dad snuck to the show and he left yeah because he was fucked up yeah

yeah okay Kane was on that show oh no yeah I didn't see that and uh he came and sat with me

and he was like man I I know this is a hard time for you in the best way but like he gave me the ultimate who was that that was your first show

since you losing your voice yeah and then that was your first time back on stage, right? Yeah. Okay, continue. And I only did that one show. Wow.

Because I realized trying that shit, I can't do this. Right. And why? Because you were drunk? Because I was hurt. You were exerting yourself too much? Trying to vocalize? No, I was lip syncing. Oh.

It wasn't the out part that hurt, it was the inside. Yeah, you just didn't feel it Yeah, I would just say you a real MC your world. Come on, bro Track over Run used to say we don't use that It's this or that, you know, right, right, you know And so they talked me into it because the record that just took off, and it was, you know, man. But I was like, I can't do it. But, and my dad, who had never seen me rap before.

Oh, that was his first time? I didn't know that part. I thought that was his first time walking out. No, we didn't have one of those relationships. Like, he never even knew. Right. Wait, what record is this? What record came out?

Of mine? No, I do a bad? What record came out? Of mine? No, I do a bad. It just came out. Really? Yeah. So this is what? 90 what? Or 80?

89. 80. 90. It was New Year's. Wow. 90. The record came out August the 1st. The record happens November the 11th.

Wow. And I'm doing that show on January the 1st that's crazy so 11-11 bro I was born on the 12th I was born on the 6th

alright we're not asking everybody's age everybody's a part of this that's what's so dope about him everyone feels a part of his fucking story that's what's so dope I can't even the part In his fucking story That's what's so dope

I can't even be mad at him Like They just started signing up Their birthdays and shit I was born on this day I swear to God I can't even be mad at him Oh yeah

Big pun or big L Pun Radio or podcast? Podcast. Rather be loved or feared? Loved. Me too. Drake or Wayne?

Wayne. Primo or Pete Rock? Yeah, let's go with this one. Okay. PR's my guy. We fight every year. Really? Primo or P-Rock, are you saying?

P-Rock. What? You fight every year? Every football season. You know, he's a Giants fan. And you are Steelers? Oh, that's right. That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Paul, isn't that the hat that you're talking about? Yeah, that's true, Brando right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Paul, isn't that the hat that you talking about? Yeah, that's true, Brandon. Yeah.

I put that. I'm getting a chance with a hat like that. That's dope. Yeah, that's dope. Yeah, they got a hold of it. They got a nice little thing. And of course, the Cowboys is the shit, yes. They hating.

No. I'm definitely a cowboy Are you a cowboy hater bro? Who you riding with? I ride with the Jets Okay We haven't won You don't really ride with the Jets bro

The Jets don't even ride with the Jets That's why It's hard being Like by the way Let me just tell you something I haven't watched a Knicks game this whole season. You know why? Because you think you're bad luck.

I think I'm bad luck. Wow. I think every time I watch the Knicks, they start losing. So I... Do you watch it the day after? No, I just... I've been trying to stay out this season. We've been doing great.

We've been doing great. Last year, we had a winning streak. I started watching. It's over. So I actually didn't want to say this publicly, but I actually think I'm the jinx. So I haven't watched this year. Hopefully, we can make it somewhere.

No, no, they got a great little young squad of ballers out there. And the guy Brunson turned out to be a great addition. Maybe a piece or two away from being relevant. Right. You know what I mean?

And we need like a definitive star. Yeah. We need a star. Yeah. I ain't going to lie. I think they should put me in. I don't think so.

I'm just being honest. Don't be honest. It's not very honest. I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to be I'm not going to lie. I think they should put me in. I don't think so. I'm just being honest. Don't be honest. It's not very honest. I hit him with the funky chicken. You might as well just go to the big three. Go to the big three. I can go to the big three. I can go to the big three.

I'm like a Jets guy. Like kind of a, not the Yankees, but the Mets. Mets. Kind of a Mets guy. Just because they never think they're going to win. You know what I mean? Like the underdog. Yeah.

You know, I'm an underdog guy. You know what I mean? And so I fucked with Aaron Rodgers in the Jets because I thought he gave him a legitimate shot last year. He didn't give it. Yeah. That's crazy. I didn't give a... Yeah. That's crazy. I felt like that was the doors. That's right.

He went through the doors. He went through the doors. He went through the doors. That's right. He got hurt. 12 seconds to the jack. Right. This nigga came in and was like, hey, I'm fucked up.

You know what I'm saying? This nigga signed a contract and was like, I'm here. It's over. This is it. This is it for me. He put on some Muslim oil and was like, hey man, let me go pray. This nigga had Ramadan early. Get the fuck out of here.

Aaron Rodgers, you fucked me up this season. I bet it on you. I thought you was a good guy from Green Bay. They had a hell of a defense. He could have just stood up and did half a decent job

in that division. He came in two games. This nigga got hurt in kindergarten. And this is why it's the perfect time to download the Underdog Fantasy. And use promo code DRINKCHAMPS. That's right. All right. Wait, I got one.

Fila or Deodora? Fila. I was hoping you was going to say that. Okay. Ye or Pharrell? That's a tough one. We drinking? Because Ye is just cold.

Any stories? I ain't got no Ye stories, bro. Nothing? I don't know why I feel like there's a secret studio session with y'all. Jay was telling me about a session they had where Ye came over. I think he was mixing his gospel record. He said, yeah, man, we was just mixing a record. And he disappeared.

I went upstairs. I was sleeping in the bed. I was like, wow, that's crazy. In the little guest house that he felt comfortable just to go up there and go up there. Just in another nigga's crib. Yeah. That's some comfortability. He did that at Mr. Lee's crib. He did take his shoes off

at Mr. Lee's crib. He went to his crib after drink jazz. He hung out, took off his shoes, opened the refrigerator. I never had a chance to meet him. Yeah, refrigerator? I never had a chance to meet him. Yeah, either. You never had a chance to meet him? Never met him. He's a nice guy, man.

Did you meet Pharrell? I do. I have met Pharrell. Both nice guys. Yes, both nice guys. Both knew it's all done. A lot of respect for Pharrell, bro. He's a super talented dude for his whole ride.

Yeah. So we saying both, right? Yeah. Okay, salute. We did? We saying both? Yeah, he saying both. I can't take one.

Hey, man, get it together. I'm watching you, buddy. Get the next one, buddy. It's all these people. Yeah. Yeah, you a legend He just had He just had a little bit

That's a little bit Okay But y'all ain't right Eve But you know this We take small shots We know it's Yeah cause it's a

It's a lot of questions It's a long game Eve or Missy Missy Okay Go I respect that Let's see. Okay. Go. I respect that.

Suge Knight or Puff Daddy? Suge Knight. Now, where did you stand with the East Coast, West Coast beef when it was going on? I don't, you know what I'm saying? That was not good. Bro, I just hate bullshit. Yeah, me too. You know what I mean?

For what Yeah What the And then the Magazines And the media Well that's what really created it Yeah Making it East Coast West Coast

It was people against people Like crew against crew It wasn't East Coast against West Coast Yeah you know what You're very right You're very right It was the magazines And the media

That exacerbated it And then made everybody In on it Vibe particularly. They were the first ones, yeah. Yeah, I believe they did a Bad Boy cover and then they did a Death Row cover right after each other. And it set it off every day. I believe that's when, in the time, that they were saying that it was you, Dre, and Suge.

But then that cover, that actual Vibe cover, like actually almost erased you and put Suge in there. cover that actual vibe cover like actually almost erased you and put Suge in there and they've had the three stars it was Dre Snoop and I forget who else was on that vibe cover sure there's four people wasn't it no it was three put their vibe cover was pocket yeah yeah yeah was that the time I believe in a documentary you said I think you alluded to it you didn't have that power but you didn't know it at that time was that something that um now I was that must have been a difficult time for you to be out I was struggling in that time. You know? Okay. Bro, addiction is not easy.

Right. You know what I mean? Right. And I salute anybody that can walk that path and stand back up. Mm-hmm. Because it take a lot out of you, bro, when you get lost. Mm-hmm. But I respect all of those guys. I'm not bitter.

Right. No. Any of those guys, I wouldn't have changed anything. Wow. You know, because I've been in some places that some really messed up stuff could have happened to me if she wasn't there. You know what I mean? Wow. I've seen, there's a couple stories where I was out there and they had to come get me, you know, and came in,

you know, with the, with the, you know. The Calvary King. Yeah, bro, because I was wilding out, out there.

And so I got nothing but respect for those guys that handled their business in ways that I wasn't ready to handle for myself. I forget, didn't we have Dazzle Corrupt

on the show and one of them was like, fuck sugar, and the other one was like, I love sugar. Yeah, you hear everything, but you know what? That's a human.

A human is a good person and a human is a fucked up person. So it could be both are true at the same time. That's a great point. That's a great point. I don't want no smoke with sugar bell

from doing this podcast from... The podcast is kind of ill. I don't want no smoke. Weird Sugar Bear. He's doing his podcast. The podcast is kind of dope. Shout out to Dave Mays. I'm going to stay out of his way. Because he's got an itchy trigger finger. And he don't care. That's how he's getting his name.

Because I've talked to him a couple of times since he's been in that place. Okay. You know, like Ariel did that a lot. I don't know how they get your number. Somebody will call you and say, hey, this is one of our legends. You know? Hey Ariel, one of our legends.

You know how to vibe. And, you know, clicky me, you know, whatever. But Harry O and I, since he's been back out, he and I have developed a real interesting relationship because he sees things the way I see things. As far as trying to go back into these hoods and get these young boys. He is right. You know what I mean? Why is Harry O being praised and Suge not? I don't know.

What is Harry O getting praised for? I don't know. It just seems like, you know, when you speak about the foundation of death row and the beginning of death row, it seems like people say, man, Harry O came in, and it was whatever, whatever, but people are not saying the same about Suge,

although I do see people, like, even with you, like, they'll say, like, even, I just broke up with Daz and Corrupt,

I forget which one was on which side, I mean, Daz is against Suge, and I believe Corrupt was like, Corrupt was like, Corrupt stayed around the longest, yeah, right,

yeah, and Corrupt was like, nah, I can't. And he kept calling him, no, no, no. No, Daz is Del Mar. But he kept calling him, I think he called him Simon. Yeah, that shit was a code name. Simon, like Simon said? Yeah.

Damn. That was his code name? It was Simon and Santa Claus. So Simon was the bad side and Santa Claus was the good side? Either one of them is talking about the same guy. But Shug was a, you know, he was a, is a complicated human. Right. As many of us.

Yeah. And he lived his life. And we all have our paths that we got to walk. And he's walking his path, you know. I wouldn't wish that shit on nobody. Right. You know, because I had to sit down and that shit is, that was not me. I don't want no more parts of that shit.

And I wouldn't wish that on nobody. but, you know, that's his path. And I wish him the best. And hopefully, you know, what happened for Harry O happened for him. What the pardoned he? Something. Yeah. Let him see some. Harry O got pardoned?

Yeah. I believe Trump pardoned Harry O. Really? With the gold sneakers on. Yeah. He didn see something. But Harry O got pardoned? Yeah. I believe Trump pardoned Harry O, bro. With the gold sneakers on. Yeah. He didn't have the gold sneakers on his car. Nah, I threw that pardon in there. Yeah, but that's like,

like, damn, it's like kind of like mad, like he, Trump pardoned Lil Wayne, Harry O, and Kodak Black, slob.

Fat Joe's in the White House and shit Fat Joe be tricking me and shit I don't know whether to follow him some weeks or not You gotta go rewind man

Go rewind man Next week he in the fucking White House I'm like what are you doing Text me about this shit I don't know what we're doing Joe Alright I'll take a shot for that

I'll take a shot Okay Mom deep or M.O.P. Mom deep I like.O.P.? Mom deep. I like that. All eyes on me or life after death? Damn, bro.

I like it. Take a shot. Yeah. Take a shot. All right. Mike Tyson or Jay Paul? It's in Dallas. It is.

It's in Dallas? It's at Jerry World. Oh, it's at Jerry World? Yeah. All right. Man, we should do drink champs on the sidelines. All right. All right. I need to know where you're going with that.

No, we got to call French. You do drink champs on the sidelines. Yes, yes. I need you to come down there anyway. Let me introduce you to my folks at Cadillac. Go ahead. So I can deliver you one of those. Deliver one of those.

Oh, gotcha. 600. 600 Doc Escalades. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we in. We in. I get the cowboy hat and everything. Spurs on my boots. I am wooded. I am wooded get the cowboy hat and everything.

Spurs on my boots. I'm wooded. I am wooded. Spurs on my boots. Spurs on my boots, man. We picking y'all up in the Escalade. Okay. Let's go.

Let's go. We in. God damn it. God damn. Shout out to Cadillac, man. Yeah, man. So who are we picking? Mike Tyson?

Oh, absolutely. Can you imagine that? I'm not picking that. I'm going to see Mike somewhere. You think I'm going to pick somebody else? Yeah, absolutely. Can you imagine that? I'm not picking that. I'm going to see Mike somewhere. You think I'm going to pick somebody else? Yeah, yeah. Mike going to be like, well, I heard you picking somebody else. I mean, you watching him train?

This shit look crazy. He going to eat a muffin. I ain't going to lie. I want him to do that in the ring. What? The way he's training? Yeah. You don't think he's going to?

I would like for him to do it. Man, look. He's going to do it, look. You just talked about Biden. He's just a motherfucker, man. Like them 15 seconds. Yeah, but Tyson is a different type of person. Because he said it explicitly that when he gets in the ring, he transforms into a monster. And I believe that.

I truly believe that. He becomes a beast in the ring. I can't wait to see him against this Jake Paul kid. I've seen the Jake Paul kid lay some dudes out. It seemed like that wasn't fair. Obviously, it's not the same Tyson that we grew up on, but

he's there, man. He's there. His punch is still there. He's still there, and he's still got strength. No, you don't want no headgear. I mean, they've been saying wearing no headgear. No. I mean, they've been saying rumors about headgear, but I don't think it's no headgear. What? There's rumors.

There's rumors that they're going to have rules, but I don't think Tyson would agree to that. And I don't even think Jake Paul would want to agree to that. Yeah, man. Come on with it. Come on with it. They might as well just do it all the way right or not do it at all. I think you should fight him next. You.

Tyson. Tyson. Tyson. All right. I think you should fight him next You Tyson Nah nah Nah you wouldn't last Three seconds I really want to see this And not only that I FaceTimed Mike Well for a Frenchie, he hit me. Shout out to Frenchie, man.

I asked him if Mike wanted to talk to you. So I was like, all right, cool. Of course. I forget where the fuck I was at. FaceTimed him. We laughing, whatever. Two days later, they say, hey. They announced it.

They announced me. So I hit them back. I was like, yay. Y'all really doing this? They said, yes, we're really doing it. Immediately I said, yo, I'm going to come to training camp. So next week when I come back from Paris,

I'm going to my guys' training camp. Yeah, I'm going. I told you this. I told you. And I'm going to hit Frenchie. I'm going to say, yo, see if we can do the side commentary. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think of media. I actually wanted to. That's my dream is to see somebody in training camp.

That's dope, man. That guy. Come on, man. That's Mike Tyson, man. Everyone see me drinking or whatever. But I knock this shit the fuck out when I want to be a part of something. So I'm going to Vegas. I believe that you said it's in Dallas.

I believe the training camp He's training in Vegas Yeah so I want to go there And I want to You know Have some fucking fun Yeah bro That shit is crazy

Because Although this is What is this Sparring It's considered sparring Correct What they're You know how to

Jake Paul fight Jake Paul and Mike Tyson That's what they're calling it A spar Yeah it it, a spar? Yeah, it's called a spar. Oh, come on, man. Yeah, but they're really fighting, but it's called sparring because... Right, because it's not a sanctioned fight.

It can't get sanctioned by the boxing league. Yeah, because he's not a sanctioned boxer, neither is... He's past the age. Right. But I believe this is still history. It is, man. It's history. I believe this is still history. It man It's history It's a generational fight

For whatever it's worth And I think it's dope I just want him to touch that boy chin I want him to knock him out Come on man I want him to knock Jake Paul out I'm sorry Jake Paul I might see you in a restaurant and shit

I got a lot of respect for Jake Paul I do I think he's ill But I think that if he's smart He's training to stay away From Mike Tyson's punches Stay the fuck away from him No I think he's he's smart, he's training to stay away from Mike Tyson's punches. That's right. Stay the fuck away from him.

No, I think he's actually going to try to hurt Mike. You think he's going to lean in and fight? Yeah, I think he's going to try to hurt Mike. Yeah. I think he's going to. That's the only thing you could train for. Because if he gets hit by one of those punches. Until he gets hit by one of the punches, then he'll learn.

Right. I think he's going to actually try. This ain't Mike Tyson punch out on the video game. No, I think he's going to try. What do you think? I think he's going to actually try. This ain't Mike Tyson punch out on the video game. What do you think? I think he's going to try. I think Jay Paul has that much respect for the sport that he's not going to duck it. No, but the sport, no.

That's not right. The sport actually, look at Mayweather. You have a strategy. Sometimes you stay away from the person and you come in at the right time. That's why it be boring fights sometimes and they went on technicalities or they went on this they go all the rounds I've never seen a boring Mayweather fight sir he's not I'm saying that some boy he's not gonna be able to stay away from from you want to come on with it when you get in there I mean I don't think Tyson gonna

bring it to a fighters that's been successful against Tyson, Holyfield and Lennox Lewis, are aggressive. People that try to run from those, they get caught. Right. I hear you. I hear you. But I don't see Jake Paul going toe-to-toe with him. I mean, it'd be interesting, and we want to see it.

If he runs, he's going to get hit with one of those. It's a different beast, man, than he's ever, I think, ever fought. I don't think he's fought someone like Tyson. That's okay. I don't care the age or none of that, man. Okay, let's move on. Tyson and Pitbull with no chain. Yeah, I ain't going to lie.

That's the only time I've seen, like, UFN, like, get thugged out. Tyson, he gave Tyson a joint. Tyson grabbed the joint. He pulled it out. He gave EFN back the joint. EFN just held it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He pulled it out. He gave EFM back. EFM just held it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He tried to fuck out of me.

And then he made me take shrooms. And then he made you take shrooms. I know. I said. Yes, I will. I never took shrooms in my life. I'll take it. I've seen Tyson talk about it twice. He was like, yeah, you take him to shrooms.

Listen, I'm telling you right now. You know it's true. Tyson's a monkey. Tyson's a chimp. You in his presence, you know he this real, man. Listen, I'm telling you right now. You know it's true. Yeah. Tyson's a monkey. Tyson's a hippie. Oh, yeah. You in his presence, you know he's not normal. I didn't tell you. I was in Dubai.

I took the picture. Yeah. And I seen Tyson walking by. So I was like, well, Tyson. And he was just walking. And I knew he didn't know it was me. So I was like, yo, it's Nori. So he turned around.

He's like, ah. And then he grabbed his friend. I felt so sorry for him. He grabbed his friend. Ah! We were talking about him last night. He was like that. Like, literally, I'm looking like, oh, shit.

I do not want Mike to touch me like that. So he's like, he grabbed. And he doesn't know how strong he is. His friend was literally like, he's like, hey man, what did we talk about last night? He's like, yeah, we talked about last night. And I'm like, I'm looking at him like,

oh shit, let me let him get him out of the head. You know, me and Charlie, the time, the first time with the blunt, we took a picture of him. He's eating an apple. I've never seen the most aggressive picture of someone eating an apple. He's like, yo, what the fuck, man?

What the fuck? And this is the nice Tyson we talking about. The nice Tyson. This is the nice version of Tyson. All right, this is the last question of Quick Time of Slime

and we'll get right back to the interview. Okay. And this is me and EFN's favorite question to us, our most important question. And I'm not going to lead the witness.

I'm not going to say that. Don't lead the witness. Loyalty or respect? Respect. Want to explain why? Because loyalty is a fickle kind of thing, depending on what's on the table. But respect, if it's real, it ain't going nowhere. what's on the table. You know, but respect

if it's real. It ain't going nowhere. You know? And I don't want you to be loyal to me, God damn it. I want you to do the right thing.

You know? I want you to respect me because I'm going to do the right thing. Right, right. You know what I mean? Because my thing is, why wouldn't you just say both? A lot of people don't say both I want you to respect me because I'm going to do the right thing right right because my thing is why wouldn't you just say both a lot of people don't say both

and they want to give an explanation as to why you're not saying both right huh but I like the reason why you said I like that and in fact you know and I want to say this with all love and respect.

It's like I look at you as one of the most loyalist people. Oh, yeah. That's what he said. It's because, like, I didn't just watch the documentary. I became the documentary. I became the documentary. No, I really did. He's in it.

I really did. I really felt a part of it. I cried. I told you, my barber is sitting there. He's cutting this side of my shit, and I can't even feel it. I'm so numb because I can't turn away. So I'm watching it, and I can't feel my tears. I can feel him like, oh shit, he's like, where the fuck is this wet shit coming from?

And I'm just like, because I'm crying like a man. I'm not like, this is not happening. Holy shit. And it was like times in my life, I think you said it in a lyric. You was like, I tried to drown myself and I couldn't even do that right. And I was just like, what the fuck? And I'm like, here goes a guy that I look up to. I can't see this darkness in you because I've never seen the darkness in you.

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I was there. And he don't, yeah. How did he do it? Well, you know, but that's not my place. You know what I mean? Let it be where it's at. Whether it's he or him or him or them or how did they or what did you win or how did the, you know, that's the universe's

tale to tell. It's not mine. Because I'm about this positive movement. Warwood. I take those lessons I learned from those men and use them to teach my sons. You know,

what happened to me will never happen to my sons. Because they'll know who they are when they meet these guys. This ring, the OC ring. When I wrote his, Eazy's first record, we was working on the NWA record. We was working on it straight out of Compton. Eazy's record is gold by now and they're gonna get ready to put their record out. They going out and buying jewelry and all of this, the dookie ropes and all of this shit.

I did all this work. I'm like, where's my dookie rope at? I want to get dookie roped out too. Dude, and Eazy said, whatever you want. He said, give me the publishing to them songs you wrote. Wow. Whatever you want. Who said that? Eazy. I'm like, okay.

I want that and that. And one of them, it was this ring. Wow. And on my album cover, there's a chain with DACA. And he bought me those gifts. Wow. It wasn't gifts. Those were publishing. Right.

Gave him about a million dollars, and he gave me $3,000 worth of stuff. Now, when I found out what had happened, I'd already had the wreck, and I'm starting to have to pay stuff, and I'm wanting to work. And I find that stuff out I was like I was destroyed it's one of the things that made me go start talking to Dre about why was finding that stuff out I got so upset I took this ring out already you know when you go out on the road and you're performing and you think motherfuckers have to respect you. You got that chain on and you lean over into that. Oh, that's that chain. Yeah, that's Snagit.

Yeah, it was out there, but I had the ring still. And I was dating this broad and I was so just distraught that I gave her this ring. Said, I don't even want the beat. I don't want no part of this shit. It's just been struggle. And she took the ring. We stopped being together

and 27 years later, this lady found me and brought me this ring. No fucking way. 27 ring. No fucking way. 27 years.

No fucking way. That's dope. Now, I took it like this. This could either be one of two things. G.O.D. is giving me permission. To be the D.O.C.? Yeah, he's letting me know it's coming. Or I was killing that ass. And it could have probably been a vote.

But no, I took that as a sign from G.O.D. like it's coming. I don't know because how does that even, 27 years. The lady kept the ring for 27 years. And then you know it's the same exact way. There's no duplicate. There's no way. I was in California, and one of my guys called me, said, you know this girl, blah, blah, blah. It's like, yeah, I used to. And I thought she was trying to look back up and get some hope. Oh, you thought you had a kid.

You had a kid. Well, she came with a little boy and said. Was there a resemblance? Yeah. The boy was like nine years old, ten years old. So it would have been way too,

you know, it was 27. The son, she'd have walked in would have been bigger than me. But, I thought she wanted a hit.

And she came in with a little kid. I said, well, damn, she don't want no hit. Not like that. She sat down

and she said, I just wanted you to have this back and gave me that ring. But you gave it to her? Yeah. Okay, wow. Yeah. Because you said you didn't want nothing.

I was tired of it. Damn. It's nothing. Yeah, bro. Yeah. Yeah. You all in, dog? Oh, man.

I ain't going to lie. Again, there's something special about you, man. G.O.D. Oh, man. I ain't going to lie. Again, there's something special about you, man. I'll just be honest. G-O-D is the D-O-C. The D-O-C is the G-O-D, and the G-O-D is the D-O-C. On my end, I don't take no credit for nothing anymore. Right. I don't want that shit.

Who's the greatest of all time? God is. Yeah. If you ask me, that's what I really want to say. Right. Get out of that game,. If you ask me, that's what I really want to say. Get out of that game because when you pick one, see that's what happened with

easy and should. You want to pick one. Let that one be the one. Then it gets to the head and all the other pieces fall apart. If you are easy, how can you let Dr. Dre get away? How can you do that?

Why? Unless you don't know what you got in the first place. Right. Same thing with sugar. Wait, how can you do that? He let Dr. Dre get away too. Hold on, hold on. There.

Unless you just don't know what you got. This is a jewel. This is a jewel. All right, there, there, there, there. Okay, all right, all right, all right, all right. Can you run us through both of those scenarios? Because you was there when Dre left. Easy.

I had to talk him out of there. He didn't just get up and leave. Rufus. Yeah, I had to go in there. Because Cube also went and rang the alarm as well. I was leaving Rufus? Yeah, I talked Dre into leaving Rufus. Oh, wow.

But you, before Cube went in there and started talking about, he was upset with Jerry Heller and the situation. No, Cube was first. He was first. Yeah. But nobody listened to Cube went in there and started talking about he was upset with Jerry Heller and the situation. No, Cube was first. He was first. Yeah. But nobody listened to Cube. No.

And Cube came and talked to you, right? Yeah. About that. Well, but I was the low dude on the pole. It all happened when we was the last show of the Straight Outta Country Tour. This is in the movie? Yeah. Okay.

The last show, it was in Arizona. If you ever did shows in Arizona, they got this thing, it's a round stage. And we went in there and tore that bitch up. And Jerry Eller came down with Brian Turner with chicks. Now, Brian Turner was the person... Priority guy. Priority, okay, yeah. Not ruthless, priority.

Yeah, priority. And they had $75,000 checks for each of those guys. Nothing for me, you know. Wow, that's crazy. I know, right? But after that, Q was like, I'm not signing shit. Where's my, I mean, why do I got to sign some shit for some shit that I did, you know? In fact, NWA wasn't a group at that time on paper.

They had sold almost two and a half million records, and they weren't contractually. I've asked Q this question, and he didn't really give me an answer. What happened with Arabian Prince in that whole process? I think Arabian started the writing on the wall before everybody. Because he's on the album cover. He's a part of it.

They took that album cover a year before I got there. And the first single came from me. They hadn't figured it out before I got there. Bro, I tell folks if you listen to Gangsta Gangsta, Dope Man, and Boys in the Hood, those are the big records that they had before I got there. If you listen to those records, they're all the same.

They're the same record. Right. It's the same message, they're all the same. They're the same record. Right. It's the same message, the same beat down there, the same cadence. Just either dope man, dope man, or gangster, gangster. They had found a formula. They hadn't found the formula. You know what I mean? Coming from the formula.

Coming from the formula. It was about being able to take that and put it on the radio. You got to find a way to get on the formula. Hey. Coming from the formula. It was about being able to take that and put it on the radio. You got to find a way to get on the radio. Otherwise, and so when Easy, when We Want Easy came out. We Want Easy. It's a radio single. Once you put Easy on TV, that was it. Right.

No turning back. You say you made the white people love him. They loved him. Loved him. you made the white people like love them they loved him loved him and when we started doing those shows as teenagers it was you know 20 30 white folks back then you know skating rink right yeah you know um so and by the time we got to uh the chronic and Dread touched him, and we was doing Up and Smoke, it was 90% white folks in that audience.

You know what I mean? Sold out everywhere. I'm changing subjects a little bit. Can you break down the difference between an S-curl and a Jerry curl? Yeah, I don't know. Because I ain't had no curl. I had naps. Because I ain't had no curl. I had naps.

West Dallas. But you have to ask Q, Dan. You got to ask Q, Dan, right? Because S-curl was more like an East Coast thing. Jerry curl. Because we had soul glow. I was nine. You definitely had an S-curl back then.

I ain't going to lie. You look like you had an ass curl. I'm saying it was nine years old. Don't you dare. I don't know why. Don't you dare. You had some type of curl. Look at that.

That's why your shit fucked up there. Look at this. I knew you had some shit back then. I knew it. Hold on. Some serious, though. On this record. I was nine in 89.

All right, my bad. My bad. On your single, where did the patchwork on you come from? Yeah, because... Like, you just became... You was from Jamaica

all of a sudden? Yeah. It sounded like it was in you. The dopest water documentary is Dr. Dre looks and says, I don't know what the fuck this nigga said to this day.

I don't either. Wait, wait. You just busted out with that out of nowhere? Yeah. Were you listening to reggae or anything? I'm going to tell you the story of that beer. This is dope. And my name is confused, everyone.

Me and Layla was, when I found the sample, the Foster Silver's record, we just in there, we were doing nwa music at the time and i'm listening to the records i heard that motherfucker my eyes get big i'm like trey listen to this he get it he said okay he started trying to mess with it and couldn't find any place where he could sample it right he's like i can't sample this man you know put it back i was like oh man but i kept hearing that shit in my head it's like man i went back to him about a week later this the one dre you do this one i can't sample it no way i ate his ass up a week later he said fuck it he said you got something to it say yeah it's lying my ass off yeah Yeah. He said, okay, I'll just play it again. So he replayed it.

I'm in the other room with Layla, smoking, R.I.P. Layla, smoking and drinking, telling Layla I'm mad. I pissed Dre going to be. When he said, come lay something, because I ain't got shit. And he said, you got something? And I said, fuck it. I had a bunch of scrap pieces in my head

that I had written six or seven months earlier to other beats. So when the beat came on in my head, that alcohol said do what you make in rap doc. Were you into reggae at all what you thought was that's what but the baseline was the baseline was yeah the beat was no no no now the way he said it was no it wasn't for him at that moment. In that moment, when that thing came on, it sounded like Jamaican music. So that's what came out.

Yeah. Yeah. Rasta-bada-bada-bada. Yeah. That is a damn nugget, right?get, Nugget! Nugget, Nugget! That is a big damn nugget, right? Yo, Super Cat was born right there. Now you boys, you got to trip off this.

None of them guys knew what was going to come out, because shit, I didn't know. What did they think? And then you need to click on. And it popped on. So that. And I went, y'all ready for this? I was talking to them.

And they stayed on record. Y'all ready for this? Yeah. And them motherfuckers went. And them motherfuckers like, oh, my God, keep going, keep going. And that was one take. Wow. And some of that song is not, it ain't words.

It's just. You just faking on that. You, that was the first. There's a part of that song, like the song, it says, son of a. I. See, I'm going in there. I just see him. He's telling you says, Son of a motherfucker. I saw it. See, I'm not kidding. I just see him.

He's telling you that. Son of a motherfucker. That's why you got to watch the documentary. Don't give it away. Don't give it away. I'm not. I'm not. But when you hear Dre go,

I don't know what the fuck he was saying. He's like, still to this day. And he's never even asked you what you said on the record. That has to be the first hip-hop reggae record without even being reggae at all. Sir Jinx. You're a busy reggae dog. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Sir Jinx always ass. Shout out to Sir Jinx, man. Sir Jinx, yeah. He's an unsung hero. He's a legend. Oh, yeah. Excellent in that documentary Jinx, man. Sir Jinx, yeah. He's an unsung hero. He's a legend. Oh, yeah. Excellent in that documentary. Nah, excellent.

He's ill, man. Jinx did a lot. I got a lot of respect for Sir Jinx. Jinx was a cog in that wheel that folks don't talk about. But if you take him out, it don't work. Him and Cube are cousins, right? No. No?

Him and Dre are cousins. Him and Dre, okay, my bad. Yeah, he and Dre are first cousins. Yeah. I'm thinking of Della Funky, Homo Sapien, and Cube are related. Him and Dre, okay, my bad. Yeah, he and Dre are first cousins. I'm thinking of Della the Funky, Homo Sapien, and Cube, but I relate it. Yeah, yeah.

Cube stayed a couple of doors down from Jinx on the street called Fan Week. Yeah, because in Stratocompton, he's the little brother, right? Yeah. Right, right. And Jinx was a graffiti guy first. He's a super hip-hop head.

Then he was a dancer. Yeah, I've talked to him. He went to all the stages. He went through the four corners of the hip-hop, Jinx did a graffiti guy first. He's a super hip-hop head. He was a dancer. Yeah, I've talked to him. He went to all the stages. He went through the four corners of hip-hop, Jinx did. Wow. And became a producer. And he did a lot. You know what I mean?

Like, we groomed each other and grew. That was a hip-hop crew. A legit hip-hop crew. Yeah, bro. No, I loved having you having Sir Jinx as part of the documentary. Oh, yeah. Nah, Jinx is a legend.

I loved it. I was sitting there. It was important because Jinx is one of the few dudes that know where all the bones is, too. And I'm going to be honest with you. Man, he went with Cube, though, with the linchpin. That's why I related him to Cube. I'm going to be honest with you.

You know what made me, and me as a fucking guy who drinks a lot, it's going to sound crazy what I'm about to say. Me seeing him sober in the documentary, because for the last five years. You've seen him drunk? I've seen him drink. Yeah, bro. So drunk. Like, so drunk. Like, where I wanted to, like, because, you know, we wanted him, and we had a concert.

Was you there? With Merz that one? No this was another one. Oh the one in Vegas no this was in LA this was in LA and we jumped out of the car as soon as I seen them I was just like yo I wanted to give them a hug

and like he was just beefing with his friends he was arguing with his friends so was arguing with his friends so I stood there and I wanted to you know wait my turn to say hi and give my respect but they were just beefing so much that I was like yo I feel like I'm out of line for like

interrupting this so I had to like kind of like walk away and then I walked away and then I realized I had nothing but Puerto Ricans with me. So we might have looked like Mexicans. So I'm performing, and I realized nobody kind of said hi to me afterwards. This is in L.A., and I was realizing, oh, shit, they don't have Puerto Ricans.

I mean, there's Puerto Ricans there, guy. It's about 12. No, no, no. It I mean, there's Puerto Ricans there, guy. Yeah, there's about 12. No, no, no. There's about 12. And there's Cubans there, too. No, Mexicans run the place. Guy, where I'm from in Southgate, there's Cubans. Mexicans run the place.

No, they run the place, but there's everything there. So, you know, but that was about it. Oh, Jinx, I got to. I got to. Big up, Jinx. Yeah, I got to give him a shout. Nah, he's ill. The reason I don't drink today...

It's because he told you about your birthday. He said, you got to have a birthday. That's right. Yeah. That's exactly right. He said it was the day of my grandmother's birthday RIP to Maduro. And it was the day after her birthday. And when he said that, that shit.

You better have a birthday. You know what? It's my grandma's birthday. It's going to be mine, too. Now, full disclosure, I fell off the wagon. Last week. Oh, shit. When KRS came to town and I wanted to ask him to be on this podcast, I got a problem asking people for stuff because I don't like to be told no.

It changes the dynamic. Can't nobody tell the DLC no. Which we're going to be on the podcast after this, redoing that. It'll come to your podcast. Yeah, but it's just a personal thing, bro. I don't like to, I don't want to ask. Can't nobody tell the DLC no.

Shit. You know what I mean? But I stay't like that I don't want to ask Can't nobody tell the DLC no Shit You know what I mean But I stay away from that Because If I ask you And you tell me no Then you've changed The dynamic Of a relationship

That I might like So I'm just going to let I'm going to ask God And let him give it to me However you want to give it to me That's deep You know what I mean Where's the podcast at

Dallas? Yeah No but we're going to record here to me that's deep i mean what was the podcast at dallas yeah no but we're gonna record here yeah but it's a local thing right because i'm all about dallas for worth right now okay right i'm trying to go back to the crib and the it that traveled around here the the united states and hip-hop it it never went to Dallas yet. They've never had their moment. You know what I'm saying? Like LA had its moment or Houston or New Orleans or Miami or Atlanta or LA. Dallas never had theirs.

And maybe I was supposed to be a conduit for that. And then when I fell off, it all fell off. You didn't get the opportunity to do it. Yeah. And just, you know, we always big up the South here. And I'm a big proponent of the South. Look at what the South did. He from the South. Oh, yeah.

And people don't even realize it. What? Oh, yeah. I'm a New York, Jamaican, West Coast dude from the South. Are you Jamaican now, for real? The song said. Let me find out you're from Kingston. Yeah, for real? The song said it. Let me find out you from Kingston.

He's like, Kingston by way of Dallas. Bro, I love it over there. But, yeah bro, like, going back to Jinx, I owe him a lot for that moment in time, because he put me on this road. And you know Sylvia Rohn, right? Of course I know Sylvia Rohn. So I showed the movie to Syl. And man, when it went out, she went up and started clapping and singing and stomping like it was an old Negro spiritual movie or something.

That's how you know it moved. That's how it feels, bro. Yeah, it moved her. Yeah. And I says to her, I quit drinking. She was like, thank God. I was like, wow, I must have really been, you know, something else back then. But you know what was great about, didn't you have a movie premiere? Yeah.

It's in Film Festival. It was in Tribeca. Tribeca. Yeah, but wasn't it in LA? Because I remember people just posting. I seen something where people just posting. It was the premiere. What was the first premiere?

Yeah, but the premiere was at Tribeca. Oh, that was Tribeca. Okay. And that's in New York. Yeah. Okay. I thought it was apropos because it was hip-hop's 50th birthday. Oh, that's right.

That's right. That's right. In my eyes, it's a love story to hip-hop's 50th birthday. Oh, that's right. That's right. In my eyes, it's a love story to hip-hop. It's me. It's you. But it's really, it's us, really. You know what I mean?

Let me give you a moment, man. It's you, man. You know what? I appreciate that, Ken Falk. I swear I do. Right. But it's us. I respect that. That means everything's us. I respect that.

That means everything to me. I respect that. But let me just tell you something. When a football team plays, the football team wins. But it's always that one guy who scores the touchdown. That's right.

And the love or the hate. The D.O.C. And. They give it all. And. The love all day. The DOC. Let me give you. Your MVP. Yes. It's the culture. Yes. It's the culture.

Yes. It's the culture. But. It's that guy scoring that touchdown at the end. Yeah. It's the running back. That's going through the motherfucking. You know. Line of scrimmage. That you've been doing. It's the running back that's going through the motherfucking line of scrimmage that you've been

doing. It's the running back going through the motherfucking red zone that's going through there. It's the motherfucking dude hitting that three-pointer. It's the motherfucker catching that alley-oop. And you are that motherfucker. And I cannot let you stand here in my

atmosphere, my show, and not let you know how much you motherfucking are that motherfucker. And everyone here, let me tell you something. picture with you because of what you fucking mean to this culture, what you mean to our genre, and what you mean to our society. And I need for you to know that. You that motherfucker. You that motherfucker.

Now, I ain't crying, y'all. I'm just. No. No, but when I sing, when KRS came and then Face came last night and all these moments that you catch on camera. See, I never got a chance to hear any of this because I was in that hole with my guys. Right. And these kind of things don't filter down to me. Like I said, I'm in the back, holding up to my guys. But bro, that shit mean, it means everything to know

that the people that do this shit, that really know what the fuck they're talking about got respect for the path. The only respect is love, loyalty, and it's cherishment. You know what I mean?

I don't think there's I know we spoke about Jay-Z bigging you up earlier, but I don't think there's any MC that came behind you that can't show you that

same amount of respect and love it's just I don't use big words but it's unequivocally

it's unequivocally not possible it's just can't like when you think of hip hop like I swear to God It's unequivocally not possible. It's just can't. Like, when you think of hip-hop, like, I swear to God, and I said it earlier, and I really can't think of hip-hop without you.

Like, I really can't. And you know what's crazy? People who was at the top of the game can't think of it neither. I don't think Dre can. I don't think Ren can. I don't think Eazy can. I don't think Drake can. I don't think Ren can. I don't think Eazy can. I don't think Jimmy Iovie can. It's the only story,

what you saw, was the only story they haven't told yet. It's beautiful though. It needs to be told. G.O.D. did that, man. He did that for a purpose so motherfuckers can see.

That's why he waiting to say, nigga, this going to be my time when we show this movie. It's going to be about me and look what I did. Now look what that boy did. Look what this company did. This is what I did. I'm going to stand up there and I'm going to say it

loud as hell. You know what I mean? Because I you saw the movie so you know. I love the movie. Man, I hate y'all for this shit, but I want to see this shit. I'm still bragging on him right now.

Because I knew about it way before you did. No, I seen the premiere, and I was like, where the fuck is this shit at? And I'm going to be honest with you. I checked Prime. I checked Hulu. I didn't want to hit you direct.

I wanted to watch it on my own. And I... And when I realized, I was like, holy shit. This is something that you're doing independently, correct? Because you did this premiere on your own. So this is not no Netflix. It's not. You can sell it to Netflix.

And I don't want to give you any suggestions or anything, but what I really want to tell you is it belongs to everyone this story I can't see it exclusive although I know Netflix will probably give you a bag no he's just waiting for the right situation

he doesn't say he's keeping it to himself and Hulu will probably give you a bag but in my opinion this shit belongs to the world like the world needs to see oh yeah the doc story and the impact your story has on everything that they didn't even know that actually it impacted that's right because it impacted so much that's right if you really it was a that accident was a fork in the road right you know i mean your career was everything was so that. That thing about that accident is so crazy is because when you were investigated, you say the police pulled you over first.

And not only the police pulled you over, but they took pictures with you. You had gold records in the back. Y'all sitting there chilling. When they told me, get out of the car, I was loaded. I was on whatever. I was coming out to Beverly Hills Hotel, living my best life with two of LA's finest. And you know what I'm saying? But I didn't want to sleep there. and you know what I'm saying? But I didn't want to sleep there. The acronym?

What is the DOC? So I checked my- I know the story. You were with two females, you DOC'd them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. DOC'd them to death. But you didn't want to-

You didn't want to, which is, you know, this is real. Like, I smash, but I don't want to sleep. That's right. So you wanted to leave. Gets pulled over by an L.A. fucking PD. And they take pictures of your gold records. I got out there. They said, get out the car. I get out the car and start telling jokes.

Right. And giving them. They laugh, man. Oh, yeah, bro. Told them I wrote. Fuck the police? I wrote fuck the police. They laughed.

Yeah. They like fuck the police, too. And the gold records was in the backseat. That's wild. Why are those gold records back there? They saw the records. They was like, oh, I said. Now they want autographs and shit.

So they take pictures of me with my thing. Of me signing the records. It was like, oh, I said, now they want autographs and shit. So they take pictures of me with my thing, of me signing the ticket, you know, and let me go. In retrospect, I know this probably might be a hard question. Do you wish you would have got arrested then? No. I did for a long time. Had you got arrested, maybe you wouldn't have had that accident. Yeah, I wouldn't be arrested. That's right.

But I had that accident. You feel that accident is a blessing. That I wouldn't be. That's right. But I had that accident. You feel that accident is a blessing. That's right. Right. That's right. You feel it because it could have been worse probably had that accident not happened. I tell folks all the time that I was Tupac before Tupac. Right.

I could see that. Not because I was a rapper, because I was in a space I had no business in. In the position you were in. And being around that element, you're always going to be the first one to catch a fall because they're protecting themselves in a way that you don't know. Right. He had no business being in the middle of that stuff, kicking in whatever he was doing to that person. Being who he is, number one. Tomorrow in Vegas.

Yeah. And being where he's from, number two, it's double negatives. They're not going to tell you that. They're going to let you crash. And that's what happened. You know what I mean? And I don't know who or what,

that's not even my place to be in the middle of that. I don't even listen to when they talk about Sean Combs and all that. The only interaction I have with P Diddy is when Sean was doing... Rob Markman, Jr.: He redid the record. P Diddy, Jr.: He was on that gangster. Yeah. Love called me and said, hey, what do I got to do to get you in this video? I said, nigga, you did it, you know? Send me a ticket, I'll be right up there and knock it out. Right. You know, and Sean was a gentleman

and a great scholar and a great G. He, you know, he was super cool, and I really enjoyed myself. I met Zab Judah that day, and he was in there for hitting that bag, he was lighting that motherfucker up and I had a blast you know what I mean walking on the streets out there

Buff had sent me some gear that's another story but I wore the gear Sean John? Yeah and but I really and then he sent me a bus to a party. I had to go to a party with all of these stars and stuff. There wasn't no doors in the city.

To be clear. It was one door you get in, that's where everybody at. And one door when you get out. And I got loaded in that motherfucker. Then they got arrested, leaving. Because you get loaded, then you think you can talk shit to everybody, including NYPD, which you should never do, bro. Unless you're trying to go sit down somewhere for a minute. Trying to go to jail.

Yeah, bro. Just leave them alone. Yeah. My guys, they snatched my ass and threw me on that bus, and we blew it off, but I had a great time. Sean was a true gentleman. I really appreciated him for not only just being respectful enough to put the record out, but to call me and say,

hey, man, would you come? Be a part of it. You know, that's what best goes to me. Yeah. Right. That's what, that was East Coast, West Coast to me. Yeah. Right. And that's what it was. That other shit was just some bullshit and we still stuck in that space.

It's crazy that all these years later we're still dealing with the effects of that. Stuck in that space. Everybody trying to be. Yeah. I don't believe East Coast, West Coast is gone. Nah, we're still dealing with the effects of that, man. There's still people. The Youngins is going through that? Nah, not the Youngins, but we're still is gone Nah We're still dealing With the effects of that Man there's still people

You mean the youngins Is going through that Nah not the youngins But we're still debating it We're still talking about it There's still like Bad blood about it I don't think it's bad

I think Well when I say Dealing with the effects What I mean To your point was It's the street Right Or the idea

Of what's That Right It's got the game I'm not saying The specific people beefing it's the street. Right. Or the idea of what's that. Right. It's got the game. I'm not saying the specific people beefing or the coast beefing, but. Yeah, we got to let that go. Because I'm going to be honest with you.

I haven't been in New York in like maybe eight months. But eight months ago, I went through New York and I felt like I was in the West Coast. There's literally bloods and crips everywhere. That's what TV will do for you. And I'm like,

I would I would never think that. I would never think in 87, would you think that I would never think in 87 would you think that there would be Bloods and Crips in New York hell no

hell no but I didn't think in 87 there would be Bloods and Crips in Dallas wow you know I left Dallas

everybody was but Cube was telling us explaining it all summer vacation he was explaining it and nobody wanted to really listen. He was saying that

gang members go out there. Yeah, I mean, there's different reasons why it spread, but he was giving you the blueprint at that time how it was spreading. But isn't it that

kind of like even because... Because social media is a big part of it now. It's changing everything. We gave the West Coast rap, right? Not to say it like that, but then the West Coast gave us gangbanging.

Well, look, there's a dude named Schoolie D. Schoolie D. Gangsta rap. They say he's the original. Even that cadence that they used

came from Schoolie D first. Yeah. So you're saying, because a lot of people credit you with one of the most important people of gangster rap. Ice-T. Ice-T as well. Played my role, but.

You're saying Schoolie D. Oh, yeah. Okay. The cadence that Ice-T adopted, then Cube adopted it. Wow. Came from Schoolie D. Am I right or wrong? From Philadelphia.

That's right. Did Ice-T ever say if he was ever influenced? He did. He said it on his show. He said it on his show. Yeah from school. Am I right or wrong? From Philadelphia. That's right. Did Ice-T ever say if he was ever influenced? Yeah, he did. He said it on his show. He said it on his show. Yeah. He said it on his PSK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's exactly what it is. But am I wrong? Because you said you gave it to him in terms of influence on Gangster. I never saw you in that light because I felt like you were like the Nas of this period. Yeah. You wasn't really talking crazy. No, I think what folks meant is I was able to help those guys get those images on the radio. Because without radio, especially back then, even today, you don't have radio.

I can see your part in that. Right, right, right. You don't win unless you get on the radio, bro. Period. Well, today it might be a little different. But even today, just like then, it's the same. The machine promotes the same five or six guys that they want to be, you know, the guys.

And everybody else just have to figure it out. Now, Erykah Badu had you vegan for two years, right? Yep. It's beautiful. That's beautiful. No, I'm going to tell you something. I seen Cameron went in on it. He went in on what?

Said something about Badu. She can't give him nothing. Oh, I saw it. I know what you're talking about. Because everybody she touches is traumatized. I wasn't ready. But I always

I wasn't ready for that either. I always, I can't help but respect that sister. That's right. Now your relationship is beautiful. Because she gave me that child That's sister. That's right. Now your relationship is beautiful. Your God relationship is beautiful. Because she gave me that child and that child saved my spirit.

Wow. When I couldn't love myself, that little girl loved me so much that I had to try to straighten my shit up. That's amazing. Well, when I got caught drinking and driving and had to sit down for like 13 months, I never called Puma once during that time. And her grandmother, Erica's mother, when I finally came home, she cussed me out up and down, back and forth. Her grandmother? Because she said Puma cried all the time because you never called. Wow. And the whole time he was gone. And this is me, Puma cried all the time because you never called. Wow. And the whole time he was gone.

And this is me and Puma, we are, you know, that's my baby. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I learned that I kill a motherfucker. Absolutely. Then, you know what I mean? And now my sons. That's why I say G.O.D. gave me these two beautiful little girls to get me right.

And then he gave me these boys so I could be right. You know what I mean? And, bro, I can't... Just being there to watch my youngest son practice dribbling. His last name is Curry. So, you know, he automatically think he finna be Steph when it's this time.

Because he already Curry. You know, man. So he got this little goal and he shoots from the other room and shit. And all he wants you to do is watch him. You know, man. Bro, that's my youngest son.

My oldest son. This guy's name is Legend. And he just loves his dad. He don't want to do shit. He don't want to go nowhere. He just want to sit and mess with those devices as long as I'm somewhere he can see me. He good. You know what I mean? So that's worth more than all of the money

that these guys got. All the accolades and the trinkets and the this's that they give them. Absolutely. Y'all can have all of that shit because I got these things that never die. And they're gonna grow up and have sons just like I did.

And they're gonna be able to show their sons that film. And their sons are going to be able to say, wow, I know what I can do. Because look at what my grandfather did. Look what he did with all the shit that he was up against. Now, I'm going to take this mother. Matter of fact, my youngest son, Darren, tells me all the time he's going to be a billionaire. And he's going to help me out with the bills.

Come on, bro. That's what I'm talking about. I'm so happy to hear that because I need some help to help that out. That shit means everything, bro. And the accolades and the money and all the blessings that were supposed to have come back then. The motherfuckers about to fall. I know that. Right. And I ain't got to kiss no ass to get it.

Right. I ain't got to suck no. I don't have to do nothing to get it. No doors. No doors. No doors. You might have just dealt with patience. That's it.

I didn't go. I went the other way. That's what people don't understand. You might take some patience. How are you going to react when it's your turn, when the rabbit get the gun, with grace? Right. kind of stopped me earlier on this, but I just kind of want to say how much the love that I felt Dre has for you. When he says, and I'm sorry, if you want me to, but he says, I'm his roots. Nigga, I'm sitting there trying to be tough could not be tough when your friend says

you know fuck that I'm I'm his voice like meaning some of the best raps you ever heard out of my mouth came from him. So I'm his voice. That's right. Same thing with the dog, man. I love that. Those guys allowed me to live through them. I love that you said, you also said, you said,

you vicariously lived through Snoop. That's right. During that first album. That's right, bro. Like, you stood in the studio, and you wanted to give all you had to him. That says a lot about your character. Yeah, this, I don't know.

Because you could have been bitter at that time. Yeah, but that's not going to help nobody. You know what I mean? That's not going to help me. It's not going to help them. It's not going to make no money. Like, I had one, and I was so, when it happened, I was so ashamed that I let it happen to me. I wouldn't go on with the wreck.

Yeah. Okay. You know, when you're at home, they don't think you're going to do nothing. You ain't finished. You know, then you escape and make it. Right. And it's right here. And you blow it.

Right. Oh, you know what's going to happen when you get home. They're going to let your ass have it. And I couldn't even go home, so I had to stay out there in L.A. until I could figure this shit out. Well, how am I going to get it? I'm going to step back and be somebody that's behind the scenes. So I talked Suge into building something for us, me and him first, before Dre.

But I couldn't get out of my own way, so I couldn't do this shit without Dre. He said, we got to figure that out. And he had no relationship with Dre at the time? So you're the seed planted. You're the nucleus. For all of that. The linchpin. It don't work because somebody got to suffer in order for it to happen.

It work out there. somebody got to suffer in order for it to happen. It work out there. Somebody got to lose. Everybody don't get to win. And I take this step back because I think if I take one step back, I can take two steps forward. But that was before the real gangster shit showed up. You know what I mean? Like I'm writing all these songs about all this. But when that real shit showed up, you get quiet real motherfucking fast when those real situations show up.

And a lot of that stuff I could never repeat. But I would have to work with them glasses. I had some glasses when I came here. But I would have to sit in that space loaded with them glasses, them black glasses, basically hiding behind them motherfuckers because you kill or be killed in that space. You can't show no weakness. So even though you know what's going on is wrong, you can't say nothing.

You have to just suck it up. That's the space I was in. It was extremely uncomfortable, but it was something that G.O.D. wanted me to go through and learn so that when I go talk to these young men, they understand that I'm coming from a place of love, but I'm not telling you nothing that I think, nigga. I'm telling you what I've seen. These are the steps that's going to happen to either destroy your life or save it, and the choice is up to you.

But I'm not going to blow no smoke up your ass and make you think that life is just beautiful because it ain't. The scariest part of, you know, I think I've been famous for 25 years, right? I've been part of this game, right? But one of the dangerous parts was after the Tupac and Biggie both passed. Oh, yeah. Like, it didn't feel real. It didn't feel right. And it almost felt like the streets

was more in control of the industry than we were. At that time... Or it unveiled that fact. Yes. Oh, yeah. You're knee deep. You're, like,

I'm a little guy, but you're knee deep in it. Did you ever think that the streets would take over, like, music like that? I couldn't see that coming. You couldn't see it neither.

And I'm an outsider looking in at the time. That was an insider looking out. But you were inside. Yeah, shit. He was a different beast. came a different beast or was he always that yeah he was always a different different motherfucker but you guess why you can't take that away from him cuz even though it was messy he moved that stuff forward why in a way that the machine didn't want it to move wow but he

wanted it to move you know i'm saying wow but let me ask you why are we all surprised of of that fact when the whole entertainment business and the music business specifically was always controlled by the underworld the mafia that's that's the way the music industry hollywood all of that foundation is the mob you want me it is the underworld answer that organized crime but not our mobs you're right but i'm just saying for it to spill over it's it was always there like that that that dirty side was always there oh yeah if i can humbly answer that question we never made it and then had the same problems of us not making it

that's why it felt weird because Bad Boy and Death Row were two of the most successful people how the fuck do y'all got beef the most successful the most successful they could have changed the trajectory of everything How the fuck do y'all got beef? The most successful motherfucker. The most successful.

They could have changed the trajectory of everything. And it was literally what you said earlier. Like, it could have been a magazine. It could have been a simple magazine cover. But we didn't know that, and we didn't understand that. Holy shit. Do you know how powerful we would have been more together? Right, bro. Right, bro.

But then again, it's young men with a lot of money. Again, I think we underestimate the age of everybody. No, I agree with you. People talk about Tupac today as if he's our age. Right. Tupac was a young man. You're right. Doing young man shit.

You're right. But also doing extraordinary things. Yep. And so was Suge. So was Eazy at the time. Agreed. That's the thing. It's young men doing young men's shit and then we

gotta understand then this foundation i'm talking about those doors they know these young men oh yeah right doing that are probably gonna go astray and then give knowing that they're dealing with some money thing so right i mean we just gotta like put it in perspective to understand. Easy and Jerry's genius. Right. If you could call it that. I mean, you could. Was identifying who Eric was. Right.

And putting him in the space to be who he was. Jerry. Yeah, because not everybody would have gave Easy that opportunity either. Knowing that Easy was the brick.

Yeah. And he wasn't, you know what I mean? Like, if you gave either of those other guys that option, they probably wouldn't have took that option.

Because let me ask you, and I wanted to ask you this earlier. Do you think EZ was persuaded into, like, Do you think EZ was persuaded into Jerry's point of view? Or do you think it was EZ's idea? No, I don't think it was EZ's idea. Okay, I don't either. No, he gave him the game.

I think Jerry gave him the game. Jerry said, yo, he's about to do that. And it was the norm. Right. Doing foul shit was the norm. And you don't even know it me that shit. And he sucked it up. And it was the norm. Right. Doing foul shit was the norm. And you don't even know it's foul shit. Like all the contract shit that we talk about now. Like, you know, if we learn to be managers, we learn it from this person.

Then we manage this person and we put them on another contract that's normal, but it's foul. And then as we keep going, we say, hold up, man, this contract's fucked up. Because that's the norm and that's the thing that was the norm right and this is the thing about hip-hop and this is my maybe it's my naivete about hip-hop but the reason why hip-hop should have been and is different is because it encompassed a whole culture that was more than the genre of the music itself that was being monetized by the industry it had the opportunity and still has the opportunity as a full-on culture that has a lot to offer more than the music that's being monetized but what what

did the industry do whether we say it's nefarious or not they broke up the culture that's right these break dancers they don't make money these djs ain't shit anymore these graffiti artists don't do nothing and but not that, it's the biggest thing that we mentioned it slightly is the East Coast and West Coast. Like,

when you actually look at it, East Coast and West Coast are the same people with different accents. That was a divide and conquer opportunity. Fucking accents.

And to monetize while you're dividing and conquer. Conquering, you know what I'm saying? You never see. To your point earlier, most acts in show business,

we have egos and we want to be the best and we're going to tear down the house, but you never see the rock acts. No, that's what we say all the time. They don't do that. They don't. They're legends until they're 103 and die. And then they still the time. They don't do that. They don't. They don't. Even if they do, they don't see it. They legend until they're 103 and die. And then they still live on.

They never die. Right. Mick Jagger out here, 700 years old. Right. Yeah. The grandkids of the grandkids are still trying to get in there.

This nigga 1900 years old. This nigga got wooden teeth. Just in Smalls and Tupac. Just in those two men. If you think about what we got robbed out of. As older men.

Because you could see the trajectory that Pac was... I said we needed Malcolm's. We need... He was that. He was that. He was that guy. That's real. The was that he was that

he was that guy the stuff that I'm talking now that I'm trying to do he was paving that road then to get out here and talk to these boys the way they need to be talked to and he kind of did it in his acting more than his music

that's right he did it in his music as well. He did, but I'm saying his acting showed him in a light that wasn't shown back then for artists. Pop made me want to shoot you. For rap artists, at least. And then go to church the next day. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. I wonder if heaven got a ghetto. Like, where the hell? Just think of the mind. Just think of the mind. Brennan's got a baby. He said, Brennan's got a baby. How thoughtful is that?

I wonder why you call you bitch. I said, wait a minute. Right. Dichotomy is real. It's, bring out a baby. How thoughtful was that? I wonder why you call you bitch. I said, wait a minute. Right. Dichotomy is real. It's the Gemini's. Yeah, bro. Y'all motherfuckers are crazy. Relax, bro.

With the Gemini shit. No, I'm... Oh, you're a Gemini. I'm May 28th. Yeah, my wife is a Gemini. I can go at Gemini. I'm about to start one. That's a crazy motherfucker.

You're June Gemini or May Gemini? June 10th. Oh, so you on the Tupac side. I'm on the Biggie side. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my wife is on the Tupac side. I'm on the Biggie side. Yeah, yeah. My wife is on the Tupac side too, June. But it's really, it's not that Geminis are fake people. It's y'all are really those people.

What does that mean? You become those people. I don't like the way you're talking about us. No, I'm just being honest. You are that person and then you are this person. Yeah. We are both. We are everything.

This is what I'm trying to say. You mixing them with that all and all of those other substances. You're turning that thing all the way up. That's what it is. I listened to Tupac one day and he had a record called I know you love

the old school and if you listen to it, he breaks down New York in a way that only a New Yorker could only a New Yorker could break it down but then the very next record comes on California and niggas were chucks are not bally's that's why and I believed him too that's right that was his loyalty speaking as well this motherfucker was a genius. He from Baltimore. He was both.

And he's from Baltimore. He's from Baltimore. Wasn't he born in New York? And then he went to school in Baltimore. He's born in Brooklyn, I believe. Yeah, yeah. Born in New York. Went to school in Baltimore.

Grew up in Oakland. In Oakland. He's from everywhere, bro. Yes. Yes. And that doesn't make him fake. That makes him global. No.

That makes him, yeah. It makes him more experienced than the most kids his age. Yeah. When you talk about acting, like, there's no, besides you got Will, there's not another hip-hop guy that would chops. Queen Latifah. Like Pac-Man. Queen Latifah. No, Queen Latifah's dope.

But Pac was Academy Award winning kind of. Back then. Yeah. Back then, yeah. Gridlock, what he did? Yeah, Gridlock, yeah. I thought he was a great actor. We got around to that.

He was going to be a great, great fucking actor and do things for us in this hip-hop space that are louder. But Will, you know, Will crushed that for us, you know. Yeah. He's got classic, giant movies out. And he's a fantastic fucking actor. For sure. Let's smack the nigga on the Oscars. Let's just throw that out there.

Was that acting? I don't know. Was that acting? I't know was that acting I'm still a little confused because that acting I don't know because I seen something on TV

on the web yeah they tried to break it down no that was fake the one where they showed a movie that one they created that

oh did they yeah yeah yeah see that's how we're all fucked up nowadays we don't know what's real you know what I'm saying

they created that they made it black and white made it look like it was a whole movie oh that's crazy yeah yeah yeah. So, see, that's how we're all fucked up nowadays. We don't know what's real. You know what I'm saying? They created that. They put it, made it black and white, made it look like it was an old movie. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they fucked me. Yeah, they fucked me. No, I looked at the dresser, oh shit. You got to go to it.

I got to go to it. I said, they made that up. I said, because man, how do you do that? That was a gold move that night. And what's Shapiro say? He said, I know the one thing he wouldn't have done is enjoy the rest

of his evening. Speaking about how Chris Rock took that, swallowed that blood. Chris Rock a real nigga. He handled that, man. Man, that was a cold situation. I don't know what the hell. Man, that was a cold situation. I don't know what the hell.

No, yes, I do. I'd have lost it, that fucking, you know. I don't think I'd have been able to hold that one. Am I going too far? No. Need to hold on. Okay. No. Now, you got to give credit to Chris Rock on that.

Yeah, bro. Give credit to Chris Rock. Nothing but love. I've always had the greatest respect for him as an artist. Even when he was doing the SNL bit, you could tell he was writing. I'm a writer. Talking about Chris Rock? Yeah.

I thought you would have been mad at him for CB4. I thought he was going to say Pookie. You mean the voice thing he was doing? It was one of the CB4. Oh, I didn't even think about that. He did, yeah. Somebody just talked to one of them fans. Yeah.

I mean, the shit wasn't funny. Mm-hmm. You know, but I ain't mad at nobody. It's not good. Shit, Minister Society. It was a dude named Doc in that movie with a big-ass DOC on his hat. I don't have to go watch this.

It was Dolly's brother or something in the movie. When they was in the room watching him doing the shit? Yeah. The guy was walking around with a hat on that said DOC on it. Oh, that was Clinton. Clinton Powell? Yes. Clinton Powell.

Okay. I've always been there. Pinky. Pinky from Friday. Pinky. Slow this down. We got CW. No, no.

I'm talking about Minister of Society. It was a young dude. If it's with two shots, when they in the room, they watching him do the robbery, they just watching it like they having fun.

Right. They got the shotgun. Right. Yeah. That's not what he say. You think you wrong on the L? That's not it? No.

That's a different movie. I'm bugging out. I'm outside. Yeah, bro. I was there. That's why they in the movie spread out of content. I'm there through the whole movie. I don't say all the life, but I'm there through the whole movie. I don't say the whole life, but I'm there.

Right. Is that why that movie is so fucking great? Because I was there. Yeah. Maybe. You were a consultant the whole time? No, they asked me some questions and shit. And I, you know, Dre called me and said,

these folks want to talk to you. I gave him my stories, but if you really want those stories, you got to go to Jinx. He knows them all. That's dope. And he tells them so well. And he don't give a shit.

Did you ever think you would be this, like, this far? Like, I know it's like a cliche type of question. Do you ever think that hip-hop would make it this far? But it's like, did you? I think we're on the other side of the messed up parts. Other side, good or bad? Good.

I think the machine is imploding. It is. You know, I think all those old systems are falling apart. They're starting to eat each other, which opens the door for us to build new systems that work for us. You know what I mean? Because when the creators control the business, then we win. The machine controls the business because they created the only lanes. And you can only play, you can only walk through this dough if you walk through it the way they want you to walk through. That's the only way you get in these lanes.

So we have to develop lanes for hours. Yeah. And for those that's coming behind us. Right. Because it's just dollars and cents.

That's right. You know, I don't give a damn about having an academy for the best woot-a-woot-a-woot. I just want to make my great art,

make my money, feed my kids. That's all that matters. That's it. That's it. No, I don't need y'all to tell me

what y'all think is dope. Y'all are whack. Yeah, the accolades don't mean shit if you can't feed your family. Snoop is mad at the Grammys. They never gave him a Grammy. I don't know if him

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Let's concentrate on education. Matter of fact, www.doccares.org is my nonprofit. I've been doing it for about eight months now, building the structure around this movement. And I can't get too deep into it, man. But the thing that I'm doing at the end of the movie, out there in them fields with the kids, that's the movement that brothers, I coach your days. I made a movie and run it to whatever struggle I am trying to get it out. But the stuff that's going on at the end, when Peter Johnson gives me that speech, that's being built right now. Oh, wow.

So that when the movie, and this is my guest, G.O.D., so that when that movie touches down, you're going to be able to see that on the screen and then be able to look out your window and see that shit going on outside. Wow. And that is a sign of change. Wow. Change is not coming like Sam Cooke used to sing about. We here. The change is going to come. We here. We came to

change. It's not going to come. It's changing. It's right here. And we're going to get these young boys ourselves and instruct these young men in a way all they want is some money. Let's go find some money. All they want is some money. Let's go find some money. All they want is some power.

Let's delegate some power. Let's teach these young men respect. I don't want you to give your guns back. You may need them things, but what you're doing with them right now is costing you more than you're gaining. You're not doing nothing with it but playing video games in real life, and you don't get to get back up when they pop your ass in real life. You don't get an extra life and get to bounce back up and do this shit again. You're out of there. And so I want these young kids to be there for their sons.

I'm trying to get you right for yours. Because while you're dressing them like you and you're giving them your mannerisms, you're really just teaching him to be you. And if you're going to be dead at 33, then what are you teaching him? You're teaching him to be dead at 23. Got to think about it, man. Think about it and get your head out of your ass, you know,

with all due respect and start thinking about our communities as ours. You don't want the police coming in there doing that. Then we don't want nobody doing it. Nobody. Now, if you get outside the circle, you have at it. Right. You know, but you want to bust somebody in their butt,

go to Beverly Hills and bust them. That's right. Don't do that in here. Yeah. And you have it all day long. See how long that'll last. It don't last too much longer because they not having that. So we shouldn't have that.

We should be able to talk to these men, young men, and help them see their power. Help them see what's possible for them. You know? them see they power help them see what's possible for them you know cause it's way bigger than some Jordans and some pussy excuse my language

and holding you know a thousand dollars worth of wands for your ear I mean like even buying

these big ass change that's worth three four hundred, five hundred thousand. You wanted to the strip club on Saturday night.

What? You know what I mean? That same five. You're asking for a problem. You took three of you guys. That same million dollars to quote Nipsey is a hundred acres.

You're not going to find a better way to get that money straight than reinvesting it in something like that. Because as soon as you wear that chain out, somebody want to take it, it's already lost its value. You put that million dollars into that 100 acres, it's not only going to feed you, it's going to feed your kids, kids, kids.

If you do the right shit with that land. You know what I mean? The way they doing our food supply these days. Yeah, the land is gold. It ain't going nowhere. Bill Gates. Bill Gates. Bill Gates Bill Gates

he's buying up all the land they GMO and all the and China buying up all the land too there's a lot of reasons why you should buy land and grow your own shit and coalesce consolidate your power your understanding

and get out of that NWA mentality the NWA without Q. Go back to the NWA with Q mentality. Right. When we was trying to figure out how to get them to stop. Now you done picked up where they left off. And you're doing a much better job of killing us than they are. Wow.

You know what I mean? Wow. That's just my humble opinion. Yeah, man. But I see, like I know what I mean? Wow. That's just my humble opinion. Yeah, man. But I see, like I said, I think we passed the worst of that. And we in a stage

where we trying to figure out how to be better about it. Right. How to get these young folks and help them monetize their art in a way. And in Dallas and Fort Worth for me give them an avenue where they could go like when I don't know if you if you already young enough to know to remember the fever and those kind of clubs back

there in the New York City or those things don't exist anymore good yeah I mean yeah no they don't have nowhere to show it if you're not if you're not a a dope dealer you don't have nowhere to go cause they go everywhere cause they packing where they go

but if you're just a regular hip hop guy or chick you don't have those spaces anymore you know I'm trying to recreate those avenues

for just for hip hop in general in Dallas and Fort Worth because they deserve it. So one of the biggest things about the documentary was you searching to get your voice back, right?

And there's this operation that's presented to you. Again, without giving everything up, it's presented to you and they say well how much would this be and you say man

you got a beer in there friend that's right that was the least of your concern that's the one motherfucker I don't mind asking for shit but me looking and I ask him for shit. But me looking at the doc, I know he would spend that for you.

Oh, yeah. I know that in a heartbeat. But now this is probably a serious part of this whole interview. Is that something you're going to pursue? I don't know, bro. You don't know?

Like I was, like when I started making that movie. In my heart, man, I was ready to go. Let's go. Because you kept saying this one last time. I want this one last time, right? But when they came with the AI thing, you know, because I don't want to go under, yeah. But if it's possible that I can actually do it myself.

And I talked to the guy's name is Peter Belaski. I talked to him a couple of days ago and he still want to know what we're doing. That's the surgeon that's the white guy that's on the in the movie yeah he was going to come here with me

okay that would have been dope yeah I was trying to get him to come I love his honesty to you I love his honesty he gave you the real

percentages oh yeah you know and it it didn't sound good it didn't sound good oh and it didn't sound good. It didn't sound good? Oh, no, it didn't sound good.

It didn't sound great. It did sound good. It did sound good. It didn't sound great. Right. Okay. But there's always that possibility. And, you know, you think about these very beautiful women. When they go out and start getting stuff shot in their butt.

Right. Like, once you get it shot in there, that's it. That's a wrap. Ain't no, you can't suck it, or can you suck it out? I don't know if you can do that. We wouldn't know. But once you take that step, that's it. Oh, wow.

You know, so I'm very cautious about, and I wanted to see how, if I'm being honest, I wanted to see what people's thoughts were. Through the film? Just in general. I did it in the film. I made it a point to get everybody's real, taking opinion on it. Right. And some felt this way, some felt that way for this reason and for that reason.

And they was all genuine and serious about it, you know. And so I'm still thinking about it, but I'll say this that doing that documentary for me was a cathartic experience it helped me get past a lot of shit

even doing the documentary in the first place folks have been trying to get me to do this stuff for a long time and I just couldn't see it but it was let me see 2020 I met Peter Johnson in 2019 he took me to the 62nd anniversary

of the Little Rock Nine in Arkansas I went and met those people. Sat and had dinner with them, and they told me their stories, and that shit opened up something. And when I got back to my crib, it felt I had like a revelation moment. GLD showed up in my front yard

and said, you can let that pain that you've been holding all this time, you can let it go. You didn't do that. I did that. I did that for a purpose, and you're about to walk in that purpose. G.O.D. showed up and said

this to me, and I've been doing this ever since. It's been a slow walk back up the hill, He said this to me, and I've been doing this ever since. Ascending. It's been a slow walk back up the hill, but I went and found my own bread, went and found my own director, went and found the producers, wrote the motherfucker myself. these white folks like a slave master. No pun intended. To make sure that this story is told the way it needs to be told. You know what I mean? And it turned out you know

I'm so proud of it. It's that no one can do it better of hip hop documentaries. Is that the name of it? What's the name of it? The Doc. Yeah. The Doc. Yeah. The Doc. The Doc. We got a flight. We got a little trip.

We got a flight. I just want to focus on The Doc because I'm a documentary guy. I love documentaries. Me too. So when I sat there and all the footage you got from your moms, your family, to everyone just chiming in, it was just like,

this was extraordinary, bro. Bro, when it come on, when it first come on, and then the gangster music start playing, and you see that action that's going on, and then you jumped right from that to the doctor's chair, and you see that action that's going on and then you jumped right from that to the doctor's chair and you see all of that shit

it lock you in bro then the next thing you see is me and Trey in the lay I mean bro immediately you see the doctor saying to you it's funny as hell I'm sorry that's just for the people that they're like giving him like vocal lessons.

And the doc is just a funny guy. We don't appreciate you. So the doc is just sitting there. He's like, the doc is like, and you're like, and you're fucking with the doc. He's like, yeah. And it's hilarious. But then, boom, straight into the fucking studio with Dre. And we're're sitting there.

And, you know, I don't know how to pronounce the words. Camaraderie? Camaraderie. Yeah. The camaraderie. The camaraderie. With you and Dre. And you sitting there.

And you joking on him. He joking on you back. And y'all just talking. It's just like, that to me is friendship. Yeah, real relationship. To me, it's like, you know, I wish Sonny is there. Like, me and Sonny, he's my friend. I met him through EFN right here.

But I could always joke on Sonny in the worst way. And he knows I don't mean it in the worst way. That's Sonny right there. And I don't mean him right there. And I don't mean it in the worst way. And it was the same thing that I saw with you and Dre. Like, as soon as this shit started,

he goes, hey, man. This is my friend. He been fucking up for a long time. That means you guys have been through the ringer. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. This is my friend. He's been fucking up for a long time. That means you guys have been through the ringer. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's all that means is y'all been there, done that. He's got, he can say that.

Because he knows, you know, if you push the wrong button, it's going to be a problem. But I know that you're saying that for love and for effect. And that's why I gave him the, when I came in from this side, that was me helping his joke out. You know what I mean? And it played well.

You know what I mean? So we know each other. I know that Dre is great at what he do. And my purpose is to help people. I love that, man. That at what he do, and my purpose is to help people. I love that, man. That's dope. I love that. That's what I do, bro.

I'm good at that. But there's not too many people in life just like that. That's why it makes you special. But I want to get to this story of you jumping in the limo. With the gangbangers in the back. And you just took the limo. And look, so this was, we was, and it's in the movie.

Yes, it is. This is when Future Shock had turned to Death Row. This is that party. Yeah. That's crazy. I never knew about Future Shock at all. Future Shock. That was pre-Death Row.

I didn't know that. That wasn't widely known. Yeah. Was it? They're not going to tell, bro. Yeah. They don't tell. History is written by the victors.

That's crazy. That's real. History is not the truth. His story. His story is written by the victors. That's right. So they don't give you their narrative of what happened. That's true.

That's why Christopher Columbus discovered America, right? But when you watch the documentary, what you get is the real, unadulterated truth. And you can tell that that's what you're getting. And it's not coming from me. It's coming from them. Right. You know what I mean? And so one of the blessings is to just be able to know that you know that that's real coming from them. Norris said

he's never seen Dre smile like that. No, I didn't. And you can generally see that Dre's happy and shit. Like, he's always guarded. Right. When you get on camera and people at that level, you know they gotta watch their mouth and watch

what they do. Right, right, right. They're guarded for sure, yeah. But Dre isn't that. You know, he's just watch their mouth and watch what they do. Right, right, right. They're guarded for sure, yeah. But Drez, you know, he's just happy to be there. You know, same thing with him and Cube, you know, and the dog and shit, everybody. Everybody's just happy. They happy to lend their time to a legend. And that resonates. I'm telling you you whoever sees this documentary is going to be like wow

because people sincerely the same way you want to see everybody win people sincerely want to see you motherfucking win too I'm being honest I was to see you motherfucking I'm being honest with you I was talking to you

they was talking about it slipped my mind this shit lost my mind but it's something about the way this game does us that there's somebody in my space about the way this game does us, that somebody in my space, or somebody was saying that there's a lot of folks prayed.

That's why I'm still here. Like when that wreck happened, it was so many people crying and praying that that's the reason I'm still here. They was calling God on speed dial, like, man, help my God. And he said, you know what I mean? And I've heard that so many times over my life that I know that there's folks that want this wind for me better than I want it for myself. And so that's why I'm going to walk in it when G.O.D.

decides to give it to me with grace because it's because they prayed that hard that he says I'm going to give it to him this way and I'm going to

be the man that they want, that they need me to be to respect that gift when it comes, you know, and shine like a motherfucker. You can believe that.

You doing it. I'm going to use the bathroom real quick. Me too. And then I got one more question, and that's it. But, yo, yo, like I told you, man, I watched this documentary. It was so entertaining to me. But there's one part of the documentary that I was so entertaining to me. But there's one part of the documentary

that I want to ask you. And Dre says he does not regret a lot of things in life. But one of the things that he regretted in life was when you came over to the house

and he wished he would have told you to stay at the house. This is before the accident? This is before the accident? This is before the accident. Yeah, it was that morning. I had been shooting. This was before the sexcapade. Because you came to the video six hours late.

He said the sexcapade. Yeah, I was six hours late because I was hanging out with Shug. You know what I mean? Doing shit. Yeah. Doing wild shit. And I'm six hours late to the formula. To the formula.

Were they making the best rapper? They are. And if you look at 50 Cent in the club, that's kind of like the same video we made. That's the formula to the formula. That's the formula to the formula. I know my shit. Shout out to Phiff. You're big on the 50s. He's always so

respectful and I called Phiff. I called Phiff and said, I need you to show up for my video. He said, I called Phil. He from Queens. He from Queens. I called Phil and said, I need you to show up for my video. He said, tell me where. You know what I mean? It was just scheduling. Right.

And God had asked very few people, the people that I respect, that that was gonna mean something to the story for me. But, tremendous love and respect for Phil because what you get is the outside version, the street version. I remember there's a thing I keep seeing over and over again on the web, Y'all was together somewhere. That's right. It's the homies.

The Freestyle? I was the first person that ever did a record with 50 Cent. But that Freestyle is legendary. And that Freestyle is also legendary. Continue. So from that POV, the dude has always been that guy. And so when he came to L. to LA and connected with Dre, man, that in the club

beat, it was pretty much over with. But, Lori, yeah, Finn, I don't know how many of these things there is. No, please, come on, give me one. But I brought these shirts with me.

Let me finish the question. No, thank you very much, man. Because when Dre said. Let him give us the shirts. Yeah, yeah. I'm taking it. Is there any regret that you have? Because Dre said that one regret that he had is he didn't want you to leave the house that day.

He wished to keep you there. Is there any regrets you have that you could take back anything in this whole thing? People ask me that a lot. And man, I love me today. I love my kids. I'm taking them both and if you change any of that I don't have my kids

if you change any of that any of that trajectory I'm not who I am today and so what I learned from that 27 years was to learn in your own personal life where you are. Most folks saw my path as destruction. But there's a difference between destruction and construction.

When you see a building implode like the 9-1-1, not a levee, it took 5, 10, 15 seconds for them things to be out of there. If they were to build them things back, it would take years for those things. So destruction is like this. Construction takes a while. So when I had that accident, my moment of destruction was instant. But had I known that every day after that I was in construction mode, getting here, I could have had a better time at it.

But who I am today, I got a lot of respect for that dude, man. I got a lot of respect for that guy because he's a stand-up guy. Not too many of them motherfuckers exist. I'm not a thug nigga, but I don't have no fear of thug niggas. I'm just a good nigga. Make some noise for that. Bars. This is the very last. It's not even a question. I'm just a good nigga. Make some noise for that. Bars.

And this is the very last. It's not even a question. It's not even a question. It's a statement. Do you remember me, you, corrupt, Daz, Believe Nate Dog? Yeah, I came, hung out with me in the Bronx. And then what I did not know, I did not know New York City was starting to become like gangbanging, right? So a dude drove through.

I remember that. He threw a Crip Killer. I had never seen. They lost their fucking mind. That ass. I gave him a Mac 10. I was like, You don't know But because the guy Was just driving through And like you know New York at the time

We were Right I don't know We were We were obsessed With fucking I gotta say we Because even though

I wasn't And And then we chilled Where was we at? We was in the Bronx We was in the Bronx. He was in the Bronx with me. You could see the baseball stadium right there. It was Yankee Stadium right there.

And we was right there at that corner store. That's when the guy came by. The guy came through. That's crazy. Yes. That's dope, man. But by the way, I was like, oh, shit, because I didn't understand the seriousness

of what had just happened. And the guy, I knew, his name is OG Mac. He's a great guy. He did this every day. He didn't know there was no actual Crips going to be on the fucking block. He was doing that regardless. He was just doing that, hey, hey, hey, like that. That was just what it was at the time, I'm sorry.

And I remember we leaving there and then I brung everybody into my crib. You remember, you came to my crib. Yeah. You came to my actual real house and I invited everyone

and we had a barbecue, we chilled. That was dope, man. That's why I was apologizing because I was bad company, bro. I was not the one to be around. No, I ain't going to lie. You wanted them back too. You was like, give me the gun. I was like, bro I was not the one to be around I ain't gonna lie

You wanted it back too You was like give me the gun I was like wait a minute You're a DLC bro You gotta relax I was like But But

Yeah I'm gonna be honest Thank y'all man You know Because What I knew there's no such thing as a

did who you are on LA and who we were in New York were the same fuck. That's right, bro. And like, it was just it was you said it earlier, I felt

like it really was the magazines that kind of told us that we were different. Even if you look at the Source Awards and you look at that shit even, okay, Source Awards was a magazine company.

That's right. You know what I mean? But I felt love my first time going to L.A. I felt, I felt they fucked with me. I felt I fucked with them. But then when I read that maybe this is- The media divided hip-hop. Yes.

Yes. Hip-hop was, everybody loved, if you loved hip-hop. Yes. Yes. Hip-hop was... Everybody loved... If you loved hip-hop, you was loving it from wherever you were at. Wherever you were at. If you was dope over in Chicago,

if you was dope in Atlanta, LA, wherever the fuck. If you was into it, you was into it, man. And the media started to say, nah, well, you know what? There's this region,

there's this region, there's this region. And y'all don't get along with this guy. Y'all don't get along with this guy. Marketing and promotion, media

focused BS. BS. BS is what drives this country. And I use this analogy when I try to talk to folks about

how the system uses marketing when I try to talk to folks about how the system uses marketing and promotion to lean on motherfuckers. You can see what America, and I was saying this to you guys earlier, you can see what America did to us,

the black and the browns of us that are in this space. You can see our bruises and our whips. You can see our communities toe up and struggle. You can't see what America did to them white folks, but their pain is there too, and it's killing them right now because they can't face it they've been lied to even more in some sense and it is destroying they are beginning to eat themselves from the inside imagine being

a seven-year-old young person that your mother and father took you to the picnic where they were hanging Negroes Wow Wow. And cutting their bodies off and eating them. Imagine being that kid who's a grown, grown-up person now, living with this in here. What's that doing to you on the inside? You can't say it's wrong, blah, blah, blah. It's a whole lot of them folks out there that's dying on the inside. Right. And so what embracing the spiritual aspect of my life now made me understand is we are all in this movie together.

And G.O.D. don't have stepkids. Right. Because he just has kids. But we all have roles to play in his movie. He's the great writer of this movie. And so just like Ethan Hawke in

Training Day. In that movie they're trying to kill each other. At the Academy Awards they stand on the stage and hug and they're friends because they realize that's the roles that they're playing in a movie, scripts for them. And so just like us as human beings, when we reach that stage, when we finally get to that stage, we're going to be able to kick it together because we would have played our part in this movie, hopefully to the best of our ability. And then when we get to that stage, that grace that we understand we did our part,

we can get our Academy Award and kick it. Well, D.O.C., let me just tell you something. Yeah, boy. That's the only Academy Award I used to really be into that. Shit, I got one. I can't wait to stand on the stage. And it doesn't mean as much to me anymore. Because when you see through the veil and you understand what it's really about, what it really means, and how all of this death, destruction,

degradation can exist in this space and nobody say nothing. Until one day something happens and now everything pops out. Now everybody got something to say about it. You've been holding on to that doll for 30 years. Now you want a cookie because you got all these secrets you want to spill. There's no integrity in that. Now I feel like you're trying to capitalize on

that person's pain in the best way you can do it. If you were trying to be this altruistic person, you had plenty of time to do that. If you was trying to get your rocks off and do the right thing and be the right, you had plenty of time to do that. You know, if you was trying to get your rocks off and do the right thing and be the right, you had plenty of time to do that. Never kick a motherfucker

when he's down because you never know when you're going to be down. And everybody's going to have an opportunity to be down. That's right. Every single person. We all get those chances. The one thing I was saying earlier about my movie, I never said one single negative thing about any person throughout that ride.

I took all of this on me because it was my, it's my ride. You get, you niggas get no. Even when you said, you said something about Sugar, you said, I don't got nothing bad to say about Sugar. He took my credit and he took my money and you still didn't say anything bad about him. You was like, but that's my fault. That's right. Because you have your business together. And I thought that was remarkable for you to even state something like that.

Come on, bro. You got to learn. I'm not the first one. I won't be the last one. Yeah, you won't. You know, I'm just the one that's going to tell it. And I'm going to tell it from my perspective so that the new ones coming up know it's not your, you can't, you can't, you have to protect you. The machine is going to always be the machine because that's what it was made to be.

It was not designed and built to feed you. It was designed and built to steal from you. And it's great at it. And it's going to continue to be great at it. So you have to educate yourself on your power, educate yourself on your worth. And when you make something that's beautiful, you don't let these motherfuckers tell you it's worth this because the market said this. Man, damn the market. Right, right. And the market can kiss my ass.

I don't give a what the, what does that mean to me? Fuck the market. You know what I'm saying? No, you're going to give me what I think my art is worth. And then we can talk business. That's men. I don't blame you for being you. You're not going to blame me for being me.

You know, you can't blackball me because I know the real boss. You know? It's a G.O.D. thing. Don't let me prey on your motherfucking ass. That's your gangbanging. Is this documentary leading to a book and the book

leading to the full-fledged feature film? Oh, yeah. Because I ain't going to lie. Look, I told you earlier I said it. I mentioned it earlier. I was like, after watching the NWA movie, I was like, where does it take it from there? But then watching the documentary, I was like, wait a minute.

You ain't got, when you watch it and I say this humbly. And that straight out of content of the movie is not fucking with this thing. Because it's the story Straight Outta Compton the movie is not fucking with this thing cause it's the story bro it's the true story

yeah it's the story it's one of one Straight Outta Compton is a movie it's a movie that is is extracting some facts I love that movie

I love Straight Outta Compton no it's a great movie but it's a movie yours is a documentary based on you co-signed the movie right yeah yeah as a movie as, it's a great movie, but it's a movie. Yours is a documentary based on. You co-signed the movie, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I love the movie. Yeah. As a movie. As a Hollywood movie. I went to the movie and did mushrooms in the movie. What? And I thought the movie was good. I thought it was great until the last five minutes when that shit started to kick in.

I was like, ah! Oh, no, no, no, but that's your real, that, there's only five people in the world who probably can relate

to those last five minutes of that movie which you didn't like. But probably what we love is probably like, to get this inside information, this shit that you probably knew. No, I'm talking about

the mushroom kicked in. Oh, the mushroom. He said he didn't like the mushroom. The screen got big and shit. It started moving and shit. Oh, fuck it up. I had to lay down on the floor, man. My wife was like, man, get your ass up.

Wait, so you don't shroom anymore? No. I smoke weed, you know. But I try to stay far enough away from something that's going to lead somewhere. Because it ain't going to work, bro. That monkey get out the bag, man. He's a cold motor scooter. Yeah, I'd let them have it. But I enjoyed the movie. It took my wife to see it. And we enjoyed it. But when I get the opportunity to do mine, I'd rather it be a series. Because you almost did it in a documentary.

It's like reenactments in a documentary. That's right. And there's a lot of stuff that I shot that I couldn't use. Really? The story is too big. It's too a documentary. It's like reenactments in a documentary. That's right. And there's a lot of stuff that I shot that I couldn't use. Really? The story is too big. It's too meaty. You only get an hour and a half. I never talked about Atlanta.

Remember when I told you about having the Rat Pack in Atlanta with Chad? I didn't talk about any of that in that time. I can remember being in... Dan, so y'all called yourselves the rap pack for real no I'm just saying I use that terminology cause everybody was kind of

stars and we all like the old rap pack the old school rap right you see Chad you see Pimp C and Scarface

and Too Short and Breed and Pac cause when you said Chad you were talking about Pimp C correct yeah and man we was riding we was riding that motherfucker kicking it And Too Short and Breed and Pac. Because when you said Chad, you were talking about Pimp C, correct? Yeah.

And we was riding that motherfucker kicking it. Man, that must have been crazy. I stole the race. If y'all had cameras following y'all. We got a deal. So I had some money. Come on, man. You couldn't tell me nothing. But those were some of the best times.

Did you just do your Patsy Wall good? Not that good. It was, you know, God rest, Pimp C. Yeah, rest in peace. We lost a lot of great men to bullshit. So now we want to save as many as we can, bro. The gangster shit is about saving us. That's the most gangster thing you can do.

That's real gangster shit. It's give G.O.D. his glory. Come on in. Because don't think being somebody that loves and respects their spirituality is soft. Right. Go back to Samson or Moses or David. You know, all of those was real niggas that did real nigga shit. You know, back in that day.

Even Jesus was real. He was up for selling fake Bibles. Come on now. Word up. He was stopping niggas out. For selling fake Bibles? There wasn't Bibles

if he was around. For selling fake Bibles, Jesus came through with a hoodie on. That's a lie. Oh, it's very true. No, man. There was no Bibles for him.

Yeah. The Bible came after him. You didn't read the Bible. Yeah. The Bible came after he read the Bible. Come on. You definitely never read the Bible. I read the Bible. I was in jail. Everybody read the Bible in jail. Someone's been in the Old Testament.

Oh, he was beating them up for the Old Testament. That's the really shit I've heard. When you get in there, you get that time. Everybody become religious in jail for some reason? K.R. said, everything is divine because one day in your life, you might have a moment when you say, when you talk to him, you say, God, if you get me out of this, we all do it. And I said to him, I've had several of those. Yeah. I might have had

17,000 of those. if I can get down from this high, I'll never climb back up here no more. All right. And that's real life, man,

no matter what your ism is. Yeah. You know what I mean? Whether it's Baiduism. Okay. Jesus. Perk and run. Okay. no matter what your ism is, you know what I mean? Whether it's Baidu-ism. Okay, Jesus. Perk and run. Okay.

You know. Oh. We didn't say it. Do you have the incense? Baidu pussy. Oh my goodness, Chris. I didn't want to go there. I got those all over the house.

I got those all over the house. I got those all over the house. You bet he got it all over the house. You know what's crazy, though? I feel like the more I drink... He's drunker. I ain't gonna lie. I feel like he's drunker. The more I drink, he's... I say that with love and respect.

Absolutely. Because my wife knows. She was, what's that called? A doula. A doula. A doula? I do. I do delivered my child.

Wow. Yeah. That's gangsta. My first wife delivered. So she had to be there through the whole process even before the child was born. We're talking about like an artist, a celebrity that's doing that. So what does that mean? Your child delivered in a jacuzzi?

No, that's an absolute, it doesn't always mean that, but yeah. It was, it was in our case. My son was born that way as well. By now we was doing it. Badou said she wanted to deliver. That's crazy. My wife was like, okay, I think I can do

a natural birth. I was like, okay. That's no epidural. No, nothing. Yeah, my wife did that, man. Both my kids. My second. My most feral man moment. Not Monster?

She wasn't Monster? She didn't drink any Monster, no. Okay. I don't know. I mean, we would have supported it. My wife was in her last moments, and she was bouncing on this little bar, and she thought she had made a mistake. You know?

Like, she's like, I don't think I could do it. But I was like, nigga, you know what I mean? I'm squeezing think i could do it but i was like you know man i'm squeezing i know you finna do this you know we've been away is it her first child that was the second one because they said the second one's easier we tried to do with the first and my my wife couldn't do it no my this was our second um the first one she got shot. I guess she thought she got the epidural. Yeah, the epidural. But my wife tried to do it and my daughter wasn't coming out. So they had to take her to the hospital. They had to give her the epidural. Yeah, no. The first one she took the shot. But the second

one, I guess Erica talked her into it. She gave her the bad news. Yeah, she gave her some bad news. And so she said, I'm going to do this, okay. You know. But. That must be ill for you, though, right? She stopped him and said, I don't think I can do it. And we didn't came this far, nigga.

You finna do this. Like, we ain't finna, we ain't having no mishaps. You finna get my son to this motherfucker right now. That's motivational speech. And it was about two seconds after that, that little dude just, he just drove out of that mother. In the water, right?

In the water? No, she had got out. Oh, shit. She got out of the tub because it wasn't happening. She thought we was going to have to rush to the hospital because it hadn't happened. And then she did also- We didn't have time.

We ain't got time to be doing no rushing. We finna do this. And I'm right here with her. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm not letting you go. We finna do this. And it took about another couple minutes. And she leaned over and crawled onto the bed

and like in a doggy style and dude just came up out of there and Badu called him I got all that shit on tape Did you like the incense at that time? The Badu incense? We didn't have no pussy that day. That would have been crazy, though.

What's your name in those? Badu pussy. I mean, he said I didn't say it. But, bro, I don't. Look, let me tell you something. Badu is a master marketer. She's a great business person. Nothing that she does is by happenstance.

Right. And folks, when they get off into that shit, you probably making her day. Of course. You know what I mean? And so I'm going to play along and give up. I'm going to always do this because most people that know me and love me

know I'm going to be, you know, we just don't push the wrong button because then it's all fucked up. But that's why I don't choose not to ask folks anything because I don't want you to push that wrong button. And I have to feel a certain kind of way about you. Is she a Sagittarius? She's a Pisces. Oh, okay.

Yeah. But that was another part of the documentary that made me tear up was when y'all sitting down and y'all talking and she says, I hear you. Yeah, that was cold. She said, I hear you? That's cold, bro.

I hear you. Oh, I hear you. Oh, that's dope. And look, all of this documentary was just moments being shot. So it's real.

And when she said that, nigga, they made me do it. My back to the thing, remember? Yeah. I'm like, I love you so much. I'm like, by the way,

I'm cursing you out, by the way. I'm like, I can't wait to see this motherfucker. This motherfucker got me tearing up crazy. And when she said that, and then she mentioned your daughter, and she said, she hears you. And then I was just like, damn. Then said that, and then she mentioned your daughter, and she said, she hears you.

And then I was just like, damn. Then after that, I can't give y'all no more. Yeah, bro. What Dre says after that, I can't give y'all no more. But that shit was just like, oh, your support system is real. Oh, yeah. Like, they, like. Woo.

I want to. And let me involve us. Because we're a part of your support system, too. That's right. We love your motherfucking ass. Amen. And we want you to motherfucking know that. You know what?

Because I watched it, even though I watched it without you, and I know how much of a L.A. fucking West Coast fan you are. Hip-hop fan, because I know I'm coming from Texas, too. You're that much more than me, right? But I watched it with you in mind. And I was like, man, I couldn't wait to give you your flowers. We couldn't wait because it's something that Snoop said again in a documentary. That Snoop said.

Because the DOC ain't having that shit. He said, he's like, what? We knew once this shit was done wrong, the DOC ain't being quiet. And I love that. I love, I love your peers or people that may be younger than you and some that's older. Don't mind giving you your motherfucking flowers and just so you know we are honored to give you your mother yeah man wow thank you

and I know you gotta go so so we're gonna take a couple of flicks and I'll get you to sign a couple of things. Yeah. Because listen, let me just tell you something. This nigga got your, that's the original album. Look at that. I bought these when I was a little kid. Yes.

Got these when I got my turntables. He didn't even have pubic hairs. That's actually facts. Yeah. With these two for sure. Well, that's a little bit too much information, but... But I love and respect you gentlemen so much. All right.

Beyond the moniker of hip-hop as men. Right. That's about this business, that's about this culture. Thank you. That strong and powerful man in their own right. Thank you. I watch drink champs religiously. I was doing my own work.

Thank you. Because I knew that question was coming. Oh, yeah. I knew that question was coming. We're going to drink. We're going to drink, yeah. But what you guys have, you guys are really the cornerstone for what us folks are being able to do in this space.

You know what I mean? We're open to do it for a lot of dudes to get these big ass bags that they're getting these days. Thank you. So I want you to just take another shot for him. Get some love. Let's take a shot together, man. He set you up. He set you up.

Let's take a shot together, man. He set you up. He set you up. Let's take a shot together, man. He set you up. Come on. Again, you had a big-ass shot. That better. What is that? We're about to get you a monster deal with drinking the monster last night. You ready for that monster deal?

The monster. You want that monster deal? Dang it. I'm going to get you that monster deal. So let's end it like this. And let's just say. No one could do it better. No one could do it better. No one could do it better, man.

DOC, I pray, I wish, I hope everyone gets to see this documentary. Because again, you said it. You say, this is a 50-year-old guy from Kansas that's white that's going to relate to this. And I'm going to tell you something. There's an 8-year-old from Kansas that's going to relate to it. There's an 88-year-old

from Oklahoma that's going to relate to it. This is a worldwide, universal story. And it's beautiful. Thank you, bro. And not only is it beautiful, it's relentless. It's never give up. It's triumphant.

Stay with who the fuck you are. That's right. Stay down because it's going to go down. That's right. And I loved it. I kid you not, man. I cried. I cried.

And I ain't even mad at saying I cried. You shouldn't be. I fucking take pride in saying I cried. Holy, bro. Because your story is my story. That's right. Right? It's not your story alone.

That's right. I'm claiming it with you that's right bro you know what i mean um the same way you claim we're dmc story that's right and the same way we supposed to claim every single story is i'm with you brother um it's a hip-hop story man what i have to do to promote this. You tell me. You say we're going to host it. Let's host it. Let's host the premiere here. We can do it here.

We can do it in the fucking movie theater. We can do it everywhere. Wherever the fuck you want, yeah. No, no, I mean in the movie theater, let's host the premiere. Let's host the premiere. And at the party here. Yeah. And at the party here.

Yeah. We do what? Let's do it, man. We are at your motherfucking disposal. It's coming, bro. No, no, we are at. No, no, I'm dead serious. We are at your motherfucking disposal. It's coming, bro. No, no, we are at it. No, no, dead serious. We are at your disposal.

Do not feel like you can't because we are you. You already said it. I don't forget shit. We are you. We are you, and we're going to support this. So we want to take some pictures. Get some signatures. this but but but most importantly let's end this by saying thank you yeah thank you thank you i'm saying i'm saying it for behalf of all the hip-hop not just me and earfin and all the people here. I'm saying this on behalf of the culture.

Thank you. The DOC. Because if it wasn't for the diggy diggy doc, y'all, I don't think he would be here. I don't think I would be here.

I don't think Drain with the motherfucking bald head would be here. I was definitely wearing the king hat. I don't think Boris would be here rolling blunts. I don't think Boris would be here rolling blunts. I don't think anybody

would be here because it's the diggy diggy doc, y'all. Bless y'all, man. Bless y'all. Love you. Let's go.

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