Drink Champs - Episode 409 w/ MC Eiht & Norm Steele (The Gangster Chronicles)

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs in this episode the champs chop it up with the legends themselves, MC Eiht and Norm Steele! MC Eiht and Norm Steele join us to share their journey in Hip Hop and how they came together for their podcast “The Gangster Chronicles”. The guys share stories of 2Pac, Grand Theft Auto, Suge Knight, Eazy-E and much much more! MC Eiht & Norm Steele shares stories about their podcast “The Gangster Chronicles” which you can hear now!  Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss! Make some noise for MC Eiht and Norm Steele!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆 🎉🎉🎉 Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code DRINKCHAMPS and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-drink-champs *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And it's Drink Chats motherfucking Yappy Hour. Make some noise! Now, when we started this show, we said we wanted to give it to legends. We wanted to give they flowers while they alive. These brothers here have both been dominating the game, dominated two fields. Both of them in movies. You know, these guys got their own podcast. Both legends. West Coast. So I want to start the show off by off top giving them they flowers. Off top!

Off top! Off top! Off top, give me your flowers, bro. We official, man. We official. We've been trying to sit down with them for a minute, man. Now, you had something to do with Malibu's Most Wanted? Man, yeah, I was in Malibu's Most Wanted, man. Shout out to the homies, man. Hi-C, the little homie Hi-C and DJ Quick. We actually, actually Crawf and Quick was going up to the audition for the shit that day

and there was a whole bunch of different little rappers up there and stuff. Daz was up there. Chinky was popping at that time. He was up there. Right, right. And they was like,

they want the motherfuckers to really battle. Right. You know what I'm saying? Okay. They want the motherfuckers to really battle, you know, so I went up there

and smacked a few cats in the head, you know. Right, right, right. That'd be a part of the movie, you know what I'm saying? Now, hey, I always wanted to know, why you never put a G in the 8? Experienced in hardcore thumping. I heard you say that you got your name from KRS-One, right?

Well, you know, back then it was big on the numbers and the freshes and the MCs and all that. So I just went with MC8, man. Trying to be different. You know what I'm saying? But I was a high fan of KRS-One. You know what I'm saying? So that's where it came from. I tried to pattern it after that.

That's crazy. Because I always wanted to do this stuff. But now I know. You know what's funny shit, right? I tell this story all the time. This is part of the story i i i didn't say john singleton was my homie right right and like before he passed i would always like like fuck with him like yo when you gonna put me in snowfall and he he looked at me one time and said you will never

be in snowfall he said your east coast accent yeah it's so fucked up you i could never pass for a west coast actor he said no matter what you do nor you fucked up. I could never pass for a West Coast actor. He said, no matter what you do, Norah, you can't get away from it. And I was like, holy shit.

So, what I was going to do, I swear to God, I told this, that side of the story, this is the side of the story that I didn't tell. If John Singleton

told me that one more time, what I was going to do was I was going to go hang out with you for a month. I was going to just hang out with you for a month because, boy, let me just tell you something.

If you blind somebody and they hear you talk, West Coast all day. Okay. All day. Like, have you ever, like, tried to, like, do another accent or? No, I've never been asked, you know, with movies or whatever, even with the video game. You grabbed that photo, right? Yeah. They was just like BU. It's distinctive, I guess.

You know what I'm saying? And it presents West Coast. So I love that shit. All right. All day. But I heard you're in Grand Theft Auto. But you never played Grand Theft Auto? No.

You're not allowed to play. I never played that shit. I get dizzy as fuck playing them moving around fucking games and shit. You feel me? So, no. I never played that shit. I get dizzy as fuck playing them moving around fucking games. You feel me? So, no, I never played this shit. You never played your own character? No. Nah, Slav, I would have did that.

Yeah. I was in Def Jam, I wouldn't play with no one else. No shit? I would just use myself. Yeah, yeah. I never got to play it. I mean, I wasn't interested in it. Doing this shit was, all the kids loved it

you know I came home that's big yeah yeah they loved it but I never played the shit never even watched the shit alright yeah

um I heard you say that Pac was at the table reads right for Minister Society yeah everyone thought this was speculation so you

you say in one million percent he was supposed to be Sharif Yes That's kind of well known though It's known Yeah Yeah They wanted him to play Sharif

He didn't want to be the positive character It wasn't that he didn't want to be it But He wanted them to show why Yeah he wanted to twist He wanted to change the character And they didn't want to do it right Like okay if you You know you got lorenz being whole dog and then eight's doing

this and then everybody has these characters where you know they're heavily neighborhood right but he's supposed to be the voice of reason and we all know tupac, you know, with his roles and all that shit, he wasn't the voice of reason. So why am I, you know, the noble one? So he wanted them to at least show why he changed. But led him to that. Yes. Right. Show me killing a nigga or something.

Show my nigga going to jail or some shit And me getting changed in jail or something But y'all gotta show why I became him When we in this motherfucking land of Everybody's notorious So he finally just changed the whole script up and shit Did not tell your ass You wasn't doing no interview Today they interviewing

Yes He was done He like we on the He on the podcast doing no interview today. Today they interviewing. Yes. He want to start, he like, he on the pot, fuck it, put him on that side. He going to start asking questions too

and shit. Yeah. So, oh man. How, how has West Coast, and this is a question for both of y'all

because I remember the West Coast sound being like Roger Trotman, like that type of thing. Then it turned gangster, and then it turned, well, it's still gangster, but it's like this new age. How are you embracing the new age? And I'm not talking Kendrick.

I'm talking about the new up-and-coming West Coast artist. And question to both of y'all. Steel? You know what? I embrace all of the mainstay homies out there getting to their money and getting to their bag and everything but i think the thing that made hip-hop hip-hop was the regional thing like you listen to somebody like when i listen to y'all album i got a story on based on where y'all was from you know what i'm saying when you're easy in them you're supposed

to be able to get a reflection of confidence. And I think as long as they stay, I think if everybody just stay in their lane it'll make the game a little bit more better. It'll be a lot more parity. Because right now, everybody sound like they're either from Atlanta.

At first it was Atlanta. Now Detroit got their thing going on with little triplets on the drums and all that. So you hear everybody doing that shit just like they was on the shit from England

for a minute. We need to start going back to our shits. You know what I mean? To where, oh man, you know, you can tell he's from the West Coast. Like, you know how you say it when you hear Ace's voice is distinctive?

Right. Because this motherfucker exude West Coast. He don't give a fuck, you know? You exude where you from. He exude where he from, and I think that's what make hip-hop dope. But I'm not mad at the little homies for them doing what they do.

And I just think that's because the problem is with the west coast is they suffer from the quoted on syndrome if you notice every one would you say the quoted on syndrome you know you get jumped in the game every rapper on the west coast outside of him come from that nwa family tree when you think about it everything is kind of like extended from there you feel what i'm saying should Suge went and pillaged Ruthless Records. And look at that generation.

That spawned the M&Ms, the games and all them other people, 50 Cent and all of them. But it was a time where if you wasn't from up under that Dre thing, it wasn't nothing shaking. He was one of the only dudes. I think him and Ice Why? Him and Ice kind of broke out of that because they was

with a DJ. King T too. Yeah, King T. But they were all in the same thing and that was on the DJ and Nones thing. So the DJ played a real pivotal part in hip hop and a lot of times the DJ don't get their props no more and I think that's it. You gotta remember

Norey, when your cast came in the game it was a barrier to entry in hip-hop. Mm-hmm. You know, a motherfucker didn't have for $50 an hour to go to the studio. So you had to have somebody that was going to plug you up, kind of. Right.

And hook you up. Motherfuckers getting beats off the internet now, dog. Mm-hmm. Ain't nobody in there coaching them up. So they just going off of what they think is hot. And ain't nobody really being developed. I'll get you. Rap is different.

And that's coming from everywhere. My era was telling stories. You know, there was a lot of things we saw as far as growing up in the neighborhood. You know, now, not to take away from the youngsters, you know, because it's a different sound, you feel me? I try to listen, but like I said, I was 19, 18 once. All I cared about was the neighborhood and who we could pop and who we could roll on.

So you got a lot of that in youngster music. We want to, I say, stand on their identity as far as where they come from. But it's different because in my days, West Coast music was about storytelling. You know, we all told stories of the neighborhood. I tried to tell stories of growing up and the negativity I saw as far as both sides. You know what I'm saying? We was gangbanging. We was neighborhood.

But it was still a downfall to that shit. Right. Like, beware stories. A lot of stuff is glorified today in young music. And social media has changed the landscape of it. My take on it is

it's just the trendy shit. It's what they see, what they hear. It's what they think is popularized. It's what you think they're going to get a fast buck off of. That's how I look at how west coast music is with the youngsters coming up today i want to solidify the identity representing where they from um but you know it could take a turn for the worse because we got a lot of niggas dying right now behind our culture you feel me which is sad to say but i can't be judgmental because like i said

i was 18 19 too you couldn't tell me when i first started rapping it was all about the neighborhood and nothing else and i don't give and i'm gonna talk about it tell you about it and if you got beef with it then that's what's going to happen. As you get older in music, you try to change, you see the downfalls. So you want to change the aspect. But it's still the same. A lot of youngsters get it from just coming up in the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying?

It got a lot of that still. Now you're from Long Beach, right? Yeah, I'm from Long Beach. I came out to California, originally from Cleveland, Ohio in 88. 87, going on 88, I went from North Long Beach. I came out to California, originally from Cleveland, Ohio in 88. Wow. 87, going on 88. I went out there to play football

and wound up getting into all kinds of other shit. You know what I'm saying? All kinds of other shit. What did you sign up for? You know, all kinds of other shit. Watch the motherfucking football practice, I'll tell you that. You know what I'm saying?

A whole bunch of that. What's up about these football programs in L.A. and the West Coast? That's the hood took me under right there. You feel me? The deal came out here, out to Cali and was like,

got a glimpse of the hip hop and the females and the niggas on the corner and the blocks and that bread. You know what I'm saying?

It was just so much motherfucking money back then, man. I ain't have a dime in my pocket, man. That nigga on the football thing, you know what I'm saying? He getting ham sandwiches and shit. That nigga on the states and you know he getting ham sandwiches

and shit that nigga on the steaks and shit I'ma tell you the lure of the motherfucking cripping in the blood and I never got into the gangbanging aspect

cause it was the money you feel what I'm saying I had a homeboy one day I was like man he was like he called me Ohio when I first came out

to Ohio Ohio man Ohio you need some bread dog man you need to get you a sack. And I said, man, what's the sack? You know, let me get you a sack. I went over and saw the Mexican homie, man.

Got a 5-0 double up. That was double up, man. It was on from there. Motherfucker was scaling. Changed the motherfucker's life for the negative. But I'm going to tell you, man, it was different back then in the West Coast. It was real grimy, man.

It was dangerous. Hell yeah. And once you get a pistol to the back of your head a couple times, dog, that'll make you kind of redirect. You feel what I'm saying? Right. Right. You kind of redirect because that shit was real.

Ain't nothing to be glorified. There was a lot of foul shit that went on, you know? Right. Because you being from Long Beach and you being from Compton. From Compton. Right? And to see this gang culture, like that shit is like almost as big as hip hop. Oh, definitely. Like, it's worldwide.

Before, shit, before hip-hop, we was, a lot of people, you know, talk about the influence in hip-hop and all, but I was gangbanging before I even knew what fucking hip-hop was. All right. You get me? Like, I just came from Paris and I seen Crips in Paris. Yeah, internationally, for sure. That shit is, It's everywhere. For me, like I said, growing up, it was, you know, me, moms, my sister, my little brother. Pops wasn't in the home, you know.

Neighborhood was rough. You kind of float, you fall into it, you know. And so it was before hip hip-hop i was gangbanging you get me uh i kind of half and half you know i'm saying i was fully gangbanging when i put out my first record second record you get me uh we say gangbanging on when you say when you put out your second word you mean I was still in the neighborhood he was active I was still in the neighborhood you know I didn't know

I didn't I didn't know where else to go you get me I'm still selling crack my first time I never wanted I never wanted to be

I get it I never wanted to be looked at as the rap nigga you get me I still want I hood nigga still. One foot in, one foot out. So we leave the studio, we to the hood.

Right. We leave a show, we to the hood. You get me? I had concerts. I go pull up tour bus in the hood and put every motherfucking nigga from the neighborhood, and we going to the concert. Right. That was my belonging.

You know what I'm saying? It wasn't, I didn didn't the rap shit and hanging in the clubs and all that shit i never out to this day i still never got on that aspect you get me even though i'm still not venturing to the neighborhood every day but i never wanted to be symbolized as the rap nigga. I'm just telling stories. This is what happened on my block yesterday. And so, fuck it. I got an avenue to where

I don't have to go on the block and sell some crack. I can go to the studio and tell y'all what happened in the hood last night. And then that keeps me from... Because we was going to jail every other day in the neighborhood. You know, before the rapping, just for standing out on the block, you get picked up.

I was tired of that. You know what I'm saying? You got to do something else. And just face it, I wasn't good at selling crack. I'd take my money. As soon as I make some money, they're going to give me a rent-the-club car, pick up the homies. And I wasn't, my entrepreneurship in the dope game wasn't. So the rap shit, you know what I'm saying?

Because like I said, I just want to be the hood, nigga. I didn't want to be the baller, the big time nigga. When I started rapping, you know, he'll tell you right now, nigga, oh, you the legend. And I'll be like, stop calling me that shit. I'm just a regular ass nigga who was telling stories about niggas I was associated with. And I'm sure it was niggas in your hood going through shit, in your hood, in your hood, and the niggas in here. That's what I rapped for. I won't be the nigga, you know, all this shit. It wasn wasn't me so you never considered yourself like a like a hip-hop head no because you did say you were inspired by by karis one

so that's i love as hip-hop as it gets but once you fall into the neighborhood shit nigga that that's what i am and once i started rapping I was always like the private, quiet nigga. So I didn't like doing all the hip-hop shit. You get me? I didn't feel that shit. So I just wanted to be known. Today, when niggas be like, oh, hey, hey. I'm like, dude, I'm just like you, nigga.

You feel me? I just found another way to hustle it. You get me? You know, and I'm sure y'all going through it over there. So let me come up with some shit to where I can reach niggas on the aspect of they struggling. They struggling. They struggling. We probably all doing the same shit.

Whether you got on motherfucking Converse or Tim Bowles or motherfucking sandals or whatever. We going through the same shit. So let me talk about that. And then don't feel alienated when I'm around. I'm like you, my nigga, with the fandom and all that bullshit. Nah, nigga, we're going to stand right here. We're going to blow a blunt.

We're going to kick it. We're going to chop it up about some regular shit, and that's it. So that's what I've always looked at myself as. Let's talk about the podcast for a second um didn't y'all start out as four people man that's a whole that's what happened there I was trying to keep from falling and then I thought she was gonna shake it up

and start pouring it all over you you the winner of the championship nigga that's the podcast that's the people that love the podcast

it was four of y'all first man it was I came in late okay on the late edition y'all first? Man, it was four of us. I came in late. Okay. I'm the late edition.

Y'all like making the band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, you gotta break it down when you get into that shit.

I'm gonna tell you what happened. And I ain't really trying to say these niggas' names, man, to make motherfuckers

famous. You know what I'm saying? You're quiet on the set with that. Yeah, it

was originally three of us. The first episode, it was me, myself, and two other cats, right? I had the idea maybe a year and a half before we ever even put it out. I said, man, I'm going to do a show, put together a podcast. And this one, it wasn't 50 million motherfucking podcasts everywhere. It wasn't nobody.

Right. And I said, this is what we're going to do. So I put it together, right? The Gangster Chronicles, I'll tell tell you what was originally was gonna be it was gonna be myself rest in peace big psych from out of thug life oh wow it was gonna be this man right here i actually told him about it right but i start having ideas i got in the podcast and i said i want to do something different you know i mean i want to talk about hip-hop like gangster rap but with the criminal element but with the real because there's a lot of grimy motherfuckers in hip-hop right right so it was me and them two cats at first we knew one

of them was going to jail one of them had just got a case so he was gonna be going to jail in six months i didn't want to be on the show really i was i got a i had plans to open up a whole network i had a homeboy to work for cbs on the west coast and we never been talking about it so i was just gonna get my wow we did that too. I was going to get my shug night. That was just when y'all came in the back.

I was just going to get my shug on with the podcast because I saw this is the new motherfucking record deal. I said I'm about to jump on this shit

for all these other niggas finding out about the right. So we get to doing that man everything is cool and I said I'm going to bring this one cat in because he's kind of like got the

sociologist thing going where he study gangs and shit like that. So I bring him in. Alfonso? Yeah. Don't even say no more than I said. I didn't know he was a part of the show though. I thought he was just a guest. Yeah. I put all three of them cats

together, right? Right. And so I had a thing going. Damn, you're fucking me up right now. I didn't know that. I had a thing going, right? And so I'm going to tell you something that success breeds for weak-minded motherfuckers that ain't used to shit. They start thinking they're the reason for the season, right? So, dude, one day, one of the homies told me.

I'm going to say his name because he's a cool motherfucker. James McDonald, right? Okay. James is a cool motherfucker, James McDonald, right? James is a loyal motherfucker, dog. The two motherfuckers that left, I didn't give a fuck. I wouldn't have pissed on them motherfuckers if they was on fire. Not like that, but you know what I'm saying?

Like that. Not like that, but like that. He was a good dude, loyal ass dude, right? But when the allegations, you know, it's speeding up. When all this stuff started coming out, man, it was, we still in Los Angeles, dog. It's a certain code that you got to live by if you from the streets. And when those allegations came out, I just couldn't associate with the brand no more.

It's like, you can't be a show, even if you're talking about gangster rap, you can't be a show talking about you, the Gangster Chronicles, and those motherfuckers don't probably cooperated with somebody right not saying that's what he did or didn't but those were the allegations were right so i had to distance myself and keep it pushing but i was always thinking about bringing them in because the other dude was tripping like he thought he was just a king um the gang specialist yeah the gang specialist okay gang intervention dude The gang specialist So I was thinking about You know, really replacing him

And then Charlamagne Because it was motherfuckers Starting to holler at us It was a gang of people That hit us up Talking about, man We want to, you know Do something with y'all

So I was like, man All this shit gonna be You know, we in motion, right? So Charlamagne Hit me one day Shout out to the homeboy Glasses Malone because he assigned glasses show and he was like man i've been watching this one show about the shit the

niggas the og niggas from i said my i would say old niggas when you hear so and i was he was like yeah he hit us up right and so he was like man i think y'all need one more person because it was just me and james at first right and um he said what you think about mca and i was like man I think y'all need one more person because it was just me and James at first right and um he said what you think about MC8 and I was like thank you God I was hoping he didn't say nothing the mother weird because you know how people can be with this shit man you try to get some shit going to never get you can never get it off the ground and so we've been rocking ever since then man but this podcast shit a headache dog you gotta you know five years dog it ain't as easy what was your favorite guest my favorite guest man i got a couple of them i got my nigga too short short dog was a good guest man he was a good guest um and crip motherfucking mac

oh i know him with all the tattoos on his face? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Krip Mack. I see. I don't know him, but me on it. He was one of my favorites. And homeboy Little Soty, rest in peace. My homeboy Little Soty. Little Soty's, man, history in Los Angeles, the streets, just so extensive, man. Right. And thick, and he's just a real solid dude. He just lost his life not too long ago in a car accident going back out to Vegas.

That was one of the good homies. So rest in peace. Yeah, he just got to react. Because you get them episodes that get reactions in the streets. Like, when I talk to the homies, they don't give a fuck. They just tell you, you know, you got the G homie, he tell you, man, he had that sucker-ass nigga on there. That motherfucker ain't dissing that.

Right. But Sody was one of them motherfuckers that everybody respected. Why? Why? How about you? What was your favorite? I think my favorite was the dude who broke out of prison. Oh, yeah, he was good, too.

We had a kid that broke out of prison twice. Man, twice. Wait, what? Twice. Niggas made a movie about him. Niggas made a movie about him. This is a motherfucker, man. Man, he had me sitting there like the whole show.

Nigga, I couldn't ask Some motherfucking question I was just amazed like God damn it How do you do it He was like shit Nigga I got this And I got the blue

He said twice he broke out He did Twice With a heavyset Caucasian woman That motherfucker was like He met on the phone And their dog gained She went and broke

The shit he need And this motherfucker Crawled up through the vents And jumped out the window Wow And she drove him to the hotel Wow And he got caught Cause he told that bitch Fuck you when improving the shit he need. And this motherfucker crawled up through the vents and jumped out the window. Wow. And she drove him to the hotel. Wow. And he got caught

because he told that bitch, fuck you, as soon as he got out. And she tore him on his ass, snitched on his ass. That was my favorite guest right there. That nigga scored. He was a cold motherfucker.

Yeah, definitely. So, and then I'm going to bring Zeno in as a guest host. That's the hook. I wanted to ask you something that I asked all. Now, all artists, period,

but particularly California artists. Is L.A. the most dangerous place for a rapper? I like how you're thinking about it. You just asked Schoolboy Q that. I don't know if you saw it. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah.

LA is dangerous because of how the gang element sets in to play. Me growing up as a gangbanger in hip-hop it was dangerous for myself wow just because i was claiming a neighborhood right niggas didn't like the neighborhood so you have to carry that with you right then you're a public figure and god damn right so i had to you gotta move accordingly man man it's

today man it's cool but shit i i've had niggas tell me like nigga we was supposed to get you niggas paid us to come at you and nigga we saw you over here one day and it was it's it's a dangerous place and just because of the like i said when you a day and it's a dangerous place. And just because of the, like I said, when you're a rapper and you claim in a neighborhood, now you got that aspect. Because anybody that got beef with that neighborhood now has beef with you.

You got that right. You don't give a fuck about no rap music. That was my thing. Like, I'm a rapper, but I'm still, niggas know me from back in the day so it don't give a fuck because you're a rapper nigga you at the motherfucking light and you in the neighborhood you ain't supposed to be in you might get shot up that is you have to man and that ain't even got shit to do with the niggas who just out to jack niggas you feel me so now if you're a

motherfucking hip-hop artist and you come to la and niggas is greedy and they home they gonna get on the aspect of shit now you just got the regular jacking niggas all right that ain't got nothing to do with the niggas who gonna try to sweat you for gangbanging and where you from and why you wearing that where you from oh you from new york or miami or whatever now it's like the aspect of shit nigga that now we just finna do some shit just because we want to show y'all nigga it's treacherous out here so it's dangerous as fuck now motherfucking other places is just as greedy and grimy though right yeah but rap life god damn it if you from that if you ain't the the happy rapper right i don't give a fuck if you ain't even claiming the neighborhood if you associated with anything you you got to you got to watch out i remember at

one point though you being a rapper like gave you that that that safety net like the hood would be proud of you like when did that change man was it the same for him from where he comes from i don't know nori see that the internet made shit dangerous though yeah because you can see motherfuckers um where people at in real time you know that's why i'm not like it's sad but i don't let my family post pictures like, don't be doing that shit. When do we get home and be doing that shit? It's crazy. It's a motherfucking, you know, an acceptance. Like, the homies like, oh, yeah, nigga, we'll do.

But that ain't got shit to do with the niggas on the outside. We don't give a fuck because you rapping. We beefing with your neighborhood. You from over there. Right. Who give a fuck if you rapping and got Grammys and a podcast and all that shit, nigga? You from over there, so if a nigga's a bit,

and especially if it's one of them niggas, if this one of them motherfuckers like, I don't give a fuck, he finna serve you. It don't matter. So that's just like I say, and that right now, I say and that, that right now

it gives us that attitude that we have in LA to where some niggas don't fuck with some niggas and some rappers don't fuck with some rappers

because first, it comes, it is their first. Their neighborhood is everything and they rather please them than getting on a song with

so and so. You get me? And you got a lot of cash from out of town that's going out there starting to claim neighborhoods now. That shit is crazy. That they ain't really from... That's the fucked up part about it. They really from these places and a lot

of times what happens is they come out, they really hanging out with motherfuckers. Like you a million dollar man. What is you riding around with this broke motherfucker that ain't got nothing to lose? Like, why you want to go hang out with him? I don't understand it. Right.

And motherfuckers is really, and they holding you to that. When you start talking to bucks, you go do this. They breaking bread like a motherfucker. Like I said, when I was growing up in the hood, it's treacherous.

And, and why, why in particular LA, and I believe Schoolboy Q said, because people come and check in. And he said, he was like, most of the time when people check in, you checking in with somebody who got beef with just the other neighborhood.

Yeah. And you think that's the problem? Probably a lot of problems. Me being an old school cat, I don't, you know, I never really got the checking in thing. They just came to town. They came to town. Yeah. Like, I'm good friends with, since way back, Face, Primo primo niggas come to town they hit me up

hey what's up shit back in the days i took scarface and bushwick through the hood right with the with the with the heat in the trunk and everything right i mean niggas gonna get me they gonna get them so i gotta protect them um checking in is the thing niggas you to get me, they going to get them. So I got to protect them. Checking in is the thing, niggas, you know, they claim they do now, you know, because you know somebody, I guess you're supposed to know somebody affiliated with the neighborhood and, you know, you want to let niggas know your presence then. But sometimes that might not be a good thing. You know, niggas want to post where they at now And location And do That's that new shit Yeah really

If you come to LA You ain't got to check in Who the fuck I know you there Like it's a motherfucker That's some like movie shit Like it's somebody At the LAX

Just waiting on me I see him With the knockers off And shit And I ain't checking in With no motherfucker buddy I'm going to go handle My business

And get the fuck on I think Scoob Boy Q said Stay your ass in Beverly Hills Yeah I mean That's what I'm saying If you come into town On some fucking handle my business and get the fuck on. I think Scoob Boy Q said, stay your ass in Beverly Hills. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If you come into town on some fucking hip hop industry shit,

then stay industry. Right. You know. That's real. To go stay somewhere, go venturing into the neighborhoods, you know,

that's dangerous. You're taking that upon yourself. Right. You know what I'm saying? When you go into them treacherous neighborhoods uh when you visit in somebody town like they said if your ass is there on some celebrity you know hollywood shit yeah stay in hollywood it's just about being

respectful too man right because you can go anywhere man i think man the ghetto boys had a song called the world is a Ghetto. That's the realest shit ever. Right. You come down here being disrespectful, you can get your top knocked off. It can happen anywhere. You know what I'm saying? You can be in one of these little towns on the outskirts somewhere.

You go up there talking slick, you know. It's going to be on, man. You got to remember, man, one thing that happened in the 80s, man, is you had the migration of the dope gang. You had a whole bunch of cats that was coming, you know, to the Midwest. That's why I said Ice Cube's on vacation. That explains a lot right there. Like the real song. So what happened was, it's not like motherfuckers

was going to St. Louis and just tying St. Louis niggas up. We go, no, this your block. No, they came down with them good prices and came in love and peace. And that's how the work got done. Because you can't walk up in nobody's section talking about, we run some shit, man, you fuck around and get sent home. I don't care where you from.

All right. Real talk. Yeah, let's bring Zeno in. Come on, come on, Zeno, come on. Come on in. All right, before we go, let's talk about Johnson Street in Compton. Wow. Johnson Street.

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AT&T, connecting changes everything. This is all Compton, right? Yes. Where I grew up is on the east side of Compton. You know. You would think, you know, regular neighborhood, whatever. But it was vicious. We had the Mexican gangs over there.

We had the black gangs over there. Like I said, it wasv70s and it was a spook towns um we lived at the end of the block uh me moms my sister little brother um around 13 i started gang banging um what year was that it was oh i had to be early 80s. Early 80s. I was just, you know, gang life was what it was, man. You know, it was belonging. I didn't have an older brother, you know. Cousins and all that was still back in Mississippi.

You know, so it was just a way for, I guess, for me to, you know, had that love. You get me, my household, you know, my sister was older. She was doing her thing. My little brother was too young. so I connected with the neighborhood. Right. You get me? And this right here was all pre-hip hop, though.

Like, gang culture pre-hip hop. This was before hip hop. I really, we didn't even have no fucking hip hop. So there was a big difference when hip-hop came. Yeah, we had a lot of techno shit. Really? Yeah, a lot of our music was... Techno? I wouldn't... Well, yeah, Gypsy Lover and all that was techno.

I didn't consider that as much techno. No, I didn't consider that techno. And then, you know, about time, you know, we started listening to sucker MCs and shit like that. Lonzo and them came along, Wrecking Crew. And then we had L.A. Dream Team. Man, man, you do all my interviews. Look, L.A. Dream Team.

Yeah, yeah. Do you think hip-hop changed the gang culture? Like, did you see the difference pre-hip-hop and then when hip-hop came? And even before the gangster lyrics, when hip-hop came to L.A., right, how did it affect the gang culture? Did it turn it up? Was it more because if the Bloods are rapping and the Crips are rapping? Like amplifying it, like social media. Exactly, because of hip-hop beat. You got to figure, like, it was already heated in Compton.

It was. Just because of the mother, I mean, just the gang culture in LA period. Niggas was already heated. Nigga, we would blast on you off a flashlight, nigga, from Parliament. Wow. With no fucking hip hop. Wow. It was about a month Wow. You get me?

Right. And we cruising the fucking Atomic Dog in Parliament. But now when hip-hop's coming, people are like saying names and blocks. But see, our hip-hop first came, it was that shit. It was L.A. Dream. It wasn't no hard, nigga. We didn't get hard until Easy came. And even then

they weren't really claiming colors no we had the banging on Wax Records what year did Colors come out? Colors came in like

the late 80s did that did that song have just as much impact as it did the record it had a huge impact it had a huge impact

when I hit Boston Boston went crazy Colors had a huge impact on us because it got to show the world L.A. gangbanging. It turned y'all up, right? It made us famous. Nigga, you get me? Niggas all around the world see this blue and this red.

You feel me? But you know what, though, A, that's when motherfuckers really start. You had real hardcore gangsters then, like motherfuckers that was with it. That's when you start getting a gang member. Because it became real trendy, kind of like if you was a Cripper. Right. So all the broads liked Cripper. It was like brands.

You know, that's what I'm saying. You want to be down with the brand. They wanted them a motherfucking Cripper. You know, the nigga that was a Cripper or Blood. Because, you know, there was a lot of money in the street back then, too. I ain't going to lie to you. I noticed T.K. Kirkman said I got to upgrade my IQ. But I know this is going to sound ignorant.

I know this is going to sound ignorant. Gang banging look mad fun, dog. Let me tell you something. I noticed it. You think that's real? That's mad ignorant. Let me tell you something. I'm that. You took it. That's bad. Let me tell you something. I'm being honest.

Game banging was... Game banging was... Until it's not. Yeah, look at it. When it wasn't like, like Cube say, it's a good day today. Right.

So, nigga, you can have 30, 40 niggas at a picnic. Well, we just in the hood, you know, and five or six of us on the same block block we trying to hustle money we going to the store trying to piece up on the drink and the weed and a good day niggas

niggas getting a box of chicken and we in the back and then you know the females is around that's when you ain't really, you always beefing with somebody, but you get days where, nigga, we might go 30 deep to the bowling alley tonight. You know what I'm saying? And niggas ain't bowling. That's where you went. Ain't nobody in there bowling. Niggas all in the parking lot with the lolos.

But that's what, for some reason, niggas went to the bowling. I mean, that's what we did. When you had good days, it was good days. But then when you was on high alert, it was critical. You get me? Police coming through every day. Somebody going to jail. Somebody fighting. Whatever. But to me, it going to jail, you know, somebody fighting, you know, whatever.

But to me, it was everything. Like you said, it was everything. And, you know, homies got killed. You know, homies got sent to prison for long times. that shit for nothing. Right. Because it allowed me to see and be a part of what I was able to bring to the world. You get me?

A lot of people was confused about what we was doing. Mm-hmm. All they thinking was colors and rags and shit and it was more than that.

You get me? And I don't think it's ever as deep as motherfuckers on the outside make it from what I see. Again, I'm not no gangbanger, but I... You sure as hell act like one.

You know, Mike... I've seen a lot of niggas along today. He done rubbed off on his ass. I imagine I'm going to see a nigga just like you. It's a big old motherfucking. I mean, must have scared me ass to hit the door. I'm going to tell you, like, the homie Glasses Malone, the homie Muggs break it down the best. Uh-huh.

Gang banging at its core is all about community. Right. It's all about what? Well, that's how it started. Oh, community. Community, yeah. It's like, you know, to be technical, y'all banging LeFreck. That's your neighborhood.

Right. Yeah, definitely. That's your neighborhood. When you go back home, dog, it don't matter where you at because you poppy, right? You know? When you go back there, you poppy. You always going to be poppy

and good no matter where you go in this world. So it's all about really community, man. It ain't about like motherfuckers ain't running around all day just killing each other,

but it can get that way. That's the thing about it. They can be real good at one time. That's what made me say fuck that. Because the one thing about it, it ain't hard to get in the gang. I'm a six foot four, 295 pound dude.

Yeah, they would just let you in. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You could get in and be an enforcer, do something. So it ain't like it's hard to join a gang. They don't be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all got to court the homie in. Them gonna be like, shit.

It ain't like I don't have to be anymore. Just let that nigga on in. Every time the homie finally see me, man, if I wouldn't have went to jail, you'd have been from the set, homie. You'd have been from the set. Because it's just that easy. So it's all, but those were all my friends. So I saw the dynamic early. And I was in Long Beach.

And at that time in Long Beach, it was only three neighborhoods. It was, you know, Long Beach, Insane, 20s. And what's the name of the Mexican gang over there? I forgot. They got a Mexican gang over there. Then you got the Little Rascals, like the Filipino gang, right? Mm-hmm. And the Long Beach Longos, that's the Mexican gang over there.

And they put in work, too. And the Asian gangs don't play either. Oh, don't. They don't play either. Hell no. And they Crips, too, right? Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are Crips.

Yeah, they are. I'm about to shoot your ass. And so, you think about it, I'm on a football team, so it's dudes from insane 20s. And these are all homies. The homie from insane got me to give me my work. The homie from 20s, he don't let me hold a couple guns over at the crib. So I'm cool with everybody. I never wanted to get into that. They was asking.

I was like, no, I'm cool. Just let me be just who I am, man. Let me stay Ohio, my nigga. And I just kept that whole thing because that's what people getting problems that you can't play with gangbanger right because these dudes ain't playing because again it's their community this man has been all around the world but he's still track new he had another shirt to the point he had another shirt on for you no fuck that it's still comp and i gotta wear this to let motherfuckers know that's important to them you can't play with that right you feel what I'm saying that's how people get hurt now I heard you say uh too eight that you said that Pac I know we spoke about Pac earlier

you said Pac gangbanging or getting into the gangs was actually moving moving backwards for him. For him. I just think that it seems like being in Steele's position. You weren't born and raised in the neighborhood you started claiming. so I think that at his status or where he was you get me it was probably backwards to want to claim the game

you get me to each his own when you are around that you want to be long he want to be long you're gonna be what he wanted to be long yeah you get me i could see i could see i could see what you're saying but i could also see him too like like you know just wanting to be a part of something like you know he's still a young man we say it all the time we forget how young he's definitely 24 25 and. And like I said, you coming from a situation where you was just in prison, locked down,

and then the nigga who comes get you is heavily influenced and affiliated. And he's not really from there. He wasn't a blood his whole life. He became blood afterwards. He was a football player like you, right? Right, right. So I get the, you know, damn, you know, these niggas clicked up and they motherfucking representing and they all mobbing at one motherfucking beat. And everybody here is, hell yeah.

I'm itching to be a part of that. So I get getting caught up in that. But there's ways that you still could have been accepted. Right. Prime example. He come from Cleveland. He around the hood, niggas. He doing hood shit with them, getting money with them.

They watching his back. Fuck it. If niggas get into it, he gonna fuck it. That's the only, let's go. But the thing with Pac though, Pac was with the shit still, like even, I never met Pac. But I'm saying,

so, even if it was like, maybe like whatever it was before that, but once he started getting with them dudes, Pac was a front line nigga. Oh,

you know what I'm saying? Pac wasn't one to just be talking and then go and then let the niggas, the bodyguard, Pac's gonna be up in the front. Yeah, like,

I've been here all been here since day one. Yeah. And I'm going to be active with it. You know, I'm not going to just be like, oh, yeah, them the homies, whatever. Shit, nigga, if it start going down, I'm probably going to be the first one to take a swing. But that's the thing with Pac. Pac, like everything that he was talking about, he would make sure that he was about that. And you went on tour with Pac and everything, right?

I did a couple of shows with Pac. Okay. Yeah. We did the show in Milwaukee where it got out of hand. What happened at that show? Oh, man, shit. I think this was right after

the Yummy Kid got killed in Chicago. We had a show in Milwaukee. Oh, wow. And he got on stage, and the music stopped, and some commotions was going on with dudes in the audience, and Pistol came out, got shot up in the air, and niggas got to jumping on stage. And it seemed like the whole downtown area of Milwaukee at the time

was just motherfuckers running through hotels, tearing shit up. It was a mess. It was a real riot. I heard about that. And I don't think Milwaukee had a rap show for a long time after that. Now, let me ask you, is there a difference? And what is the difference? From Digital Underground Tupac to Death Row Tupac?

And in between, because he had a whole in-between career. Because you knew him the whole time, right? You knew all versions. Oh, man. I don't know. I could say, like, you know, just being, you know, just trying to figure, like you said, being young, trying to figure your way out, but coming through obstacles and shit and coming through, you know, like you said, going from Digital Underground Tupac to Death Row Tupac. You've been through a lot of shit. Yeah, yeah.

You get me? And a lot of incidents, the Oakland incident, the shit in Atlanta with the police. Shit can change you, man. And then I think really that last fucking hit with him going to prison is start making your mentality go like, man, fuck this shit.

You get me? And by him being able to get out it's not like the look at the environment he got out to go into now you're around the gang of vicious compton niggas ready to you know whatever is whatever right, I think that transition of life and not being able to find a, a, a, a settle

or calm motherfucking outcome because we all had to get there at one point. You got to take yourself from, damn,

is this pal like, like me? I was like, man, this, I don't know if serving is going to work.

We're going to jail every other motherfucker. You got to take consideration when Pac was younger. You know what I'm saying? Pac was looking at all that, his mother, you know what I'm saying, like all the Panthers. He was looking at all that shit going on. So that right there shaped him. Sometimes you can find a way quicker than some niggas.

I tell my son this shit all the time. Sometimes the road is longer, man, to get where you want to get. You see niggas and niggas pop up today and next thing you know, they up here. And you'd be like, God damn. He was always around. I've been working and doing all this motherfucking shit. And I'm still, I said, sometimes you got to settle yourself because it's going to take you longer. You're going to get there still. You're going to get there still.

You're going to get there eventually. But sometimes you got to take the long road, man. Slow and steady. You got damn money. That rock as well? Well, yeah. My guy, Brother Producer, he was the first one from L.A., DJ Bobcat. Oh, wow.

Strictly for my niggas on that album right there. And that's when he was coming around a lot. That's when he had them in there with Thread and Cube and them. They did a joint there. And he was a young dude, around a lot. That's when he had him in there with Thread and Cube and then they did the joint then. And he was a young dude though, man. That's what I was going to say. He always had the hood around him because Bob,

you think about Bob, that's Rollin' 40s right there, right? That's Rollin' 40 Crip. And Bob was producing a lot of stuff for him because at that same time, Bob was producing for Ruthless.

Bobcat. Yeah, DJ Bobcat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, LL Cool J. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the, with the, yeah, your bone had it back, DJ Bobcat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, LL Cool J. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the, uh, with the, yeah, the Boone hat and the back. DJ Bobcat gave me my first. Nice.

He gave me my first LA lesson. Why? I was number one. Why? I was feeling myself. I went to LA. I was backstage. It was 20 of us.

What year was that? This is 1998. This is the most lit year of my life. I got shit. You said DJ Bobcat? Yeah, I got, No, no, no. No, I'm Bobcat. LL's DJ.

That's down with Snoop. Snoop. You're not even getting Battle Cat. You're not even getting Battle Cat. Battle Cat. Battle Cat. You're not even getting Battle Cat. That's all the same crew though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Battle Cat. So they're like, yo, Battle Cat is out there. And he wants to take a picture Or he wanted to Something Something He was like

And my people was like Yo you know he was chilling And I just heard him In the background I'll have a hundred Fucking crips up here And I was like Tell the nigga let's go

And I went out Whatever he wanted I did And I just I remember I was like yo That was my first lesson Like doesn't matter How deep you are When you in somebody else's hood Respect their rules Yeah, we won it, I did. And I remember, I was like, yo, that's my first lesson.

Like, it doesn't matter how deep you are, when you in somebody else's hood, respect their rules. Oh, that's right. Well, and I did. And I did, so shout out to Battle Cat. Shout out to Battle Cat. Long way to Battle Cat. Yeah, but let me ask you, right?

Whenever I, like, sometimes I walk on the beach right down here right and i can just see people walking by as soon as a person walking by i'm like that dude right there is from new york like i could just know like i don't have to see it is it like that with la people because let me just ask you sometimes i do get approached when i'm in la and somebody would say where you from what neighborhood you from huh and i And I'd be like, New York. They'd be like, all right. They didn't leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They didn't leave. It's like they don't give a fuck. As long as, as soon as I open my mouth, they're like, oh, he's not the opps. He'll leave. So can you see somebody

and be like, look at somebody and be like, he from the neighborhood. Oh, definitely. Without, they opening their mouth. Oh, definitely. Without they opening their mouth. Oh, definitely. Just their mannerisms.

Certain hood niggas got mannerisms. There's a lot of goofy shit going on today. Right, right. But a real hood nigga, we just move different, man. We move different. You know, we not outspoken. We don't be all chatty chatty with motherfuckers we just sit back and observe man and you're gonna know a real hood and then their real

hood nigga gonna acknowledge you back with just a simple right that's it we're gonna say oh where you from a woompty won't we we tend to not you know the shit if you're a real nigga you from somewhere so we trying to we bypass that but they're definitely you can you a real nigga, you from somewhere. So we bypass that. But there, definitely, you can spot a goofy nigga or a wannabe from a real nigga. Right. Now, let me ask you, have you ever been cool prior to you being older? When you was younger, where it was frowned upon. Have you ever been cool with the blood when it wasn't cool to be cool with the blood? Yeah, I knew plenty of bloods.

Oh, really? Back in my, yeah. Yeah? I think that's the misconception that everybody has. How does it work? That blood's encrypted. How does it work? Explain it to me, please.

Please. Some dudes might be family members. Wow. You got a lot of family members that claim different neighborhoods. Wow. You might have a cousin who's a blood. I never thought of that. Yeah, I know.

I never thought of that. My thing back, you know, with that is it's just the respect. You get me? I know you a blood. I'm a crip. But, you know, it wasn't like, but some instances, it's like on site. You a blood, I'm a crip. Back then, it was.

So what determines the instances? I guess it got to be if I was cool with a nigga or not. I used to dirt bike ride with blood niggas. You get me? So playing ball, dirt bike ride, something that has nothing to do with the streets if you have some type of connection. If I already had that connection with you, then... Gotcha.

Like I said, a lot of us probably went to school together. And then once high school came and we moved to different neighborhoods... So if you was chilling with him and your crip niggas seen you, you'd be like, yo, he's cool. How would you explain, you know what I'm saying? I can't do that when I and your crip niggas seeing you, you'd be like, yo, he's cool. How would you explain, you know what I'm saying? I can't do that when I got 15 crip niggas on my mama front porch and my sister's got a baby by a blood nigga.

Right. He coming over, nigga, red strings, red hat on. That's crazy. And when he walk up, the niggas that don't know him is like, who the fuck is this nigga? So the baby's going to be wearing red and blue. Who the fuck is this nigga? Right. And, oh, that's Pat.

Leave my nigga alone. He all good. That's crazy. And you can control that. You can be like. No, you, or you going to have to deal with my fucking sister. Right, right, right. And she ain't finna have that shit.

She don't give a fuck if you niggas is crips, bloods, essays, or whatever. Leave my fucking nigga alone. And that's what's gonna happen. So you got to, and the nigga cool. He don't come over like, okay, we know your blood, okay? He ain't coming over like blood and us and like, what up, ate blood.

It's all about respect. He coming over, he respectful. And nigga, we drinking 40s and passing the weed, and once the niggas that's with me see that, oh, they like to hear nigga woomty woo. Oh, that's loud. He can smoke with y'all. All that.

I'm bad misinformed. Now, it's differences like, if you don't know a nigga and it's case by case is basically what you say. It's case by case, man. The code is we beefing with this hood, right? We beefing with this blood hood or that's

Hatfield and McCoy way back in the days. That's what we did. We beefing with them. That's how I know this nigga. Like, I'm not finna be like stick him up or kill a nigga.

He was cool with me. We ain't beefing with them. He cool, he a blood, but you know, we might be out riding one day and decide to jump out on some niggas.

It's just, It's like shit that happens in real war. Motherfuckers catch the enemy and they end up being nice. I can't clarify, but my OG niggas, they were cool with some blood niggas. It's like you get to a point

to where I might have to cop from the blood nigga who got the heavy sack. You get me? And if I'm serving nigga I'm not discriminating you coming over here to get this motherfucking work then here you go like shit

like I'm trying to get money man but you you right let me switch up the question a little bit you not being a gang banger but rolling with gang members, does that automatically make you guilty by association? You know what it could, depending on the situation, depending on where we got going together. Now, if me and this man don't, and this is all prior to me becoming the podcast mogul I am. So this is a long time ago.

You know, prior to me doing my thing, if we don't put something together where we got 80 pounds going out of town through the mail and me and you got some business together, I don't give a fuck about that crip or that bloodshed. You're going to money play right now. We want to mitigate our losses and make sure we get to our money, right? And it's all about respect. Like I tell you, I'm real cool with Big U. Shout out to the homie Draws.

I met him through the blood, homie, Tony Lane. You met Big U through a blood, homie? Through a blood, homie, through Tony Lane. Big U was in the home. Black Tone, the man that sugar-free was managing DJ Quick. You know, he man down right now. Shout out to the homie and prayers up for him. But I met him through him, through some youth football stuff.

I used to have a popping youth football chapter. You know, we real big in the sports. You know, one thing out there on the West Coast, we take care of our kids. We coach football, do all kinds of little fly shit for the youth leagues and stuff like that. I had a youth league in Paramount. Big U had the Crenshaw. What was the Crenshaw coach? The Rams.

The Crenshaw Rams, yep. And he called me one day with homie on the phone talking shit. Like, yo, we'll fuck y'all up, do this, do that. Of course, I went over there and spanked him in the ass. On some football shit. Yeah, on some football shit. The Laquias football shit. That shit big.

You know, just like it is. You know, that's what, California got a lot of similarities with Miami, with South Florida. Yeah, like Luka Luka. Luka Luka. Yeah, I love some football. We love football, yeah. We love football games, too. Big money. Yeah, we love some of Yeah We love some football

Allegedly Allegedly Allegedly Allegedly Let me ask y'all Both these questions Do you think Nipsey Would still be alive

If he didn't put that Store in the hood You want me to answer that first Good question Yeah go ahead Motherfuckers gonna be mad at me But I keep real Hell motherfucking yeah or in the hood? You want me to answer that first? Go ahead. Motherfuckers are going to be mad at me, but I keep real hell motherfucking yeah. I think, you know,

I think it's one of those things, man, to where you're dealing with a lot of different dynamics when it comes to the hood. Nor are you from the hood. We all come from similar circumstances around this table right yeah you just can't change certain motherfuckers mindsets though right you know but then again i

believe in god homie so when this guy's time it might not have mattered what he was over there in the hood or down here on south beach walking around somewhere out of sex you know if it was his time it was his time you know i mean i believe in god too though bro but i always wondered that me and the homies would debate that sometimes because i'm the type of dude i don't believe i think it's just too different i just come from a place where you can't help everybody dog they're gonna still find a way to fuck up you know you get a homie twenty thousand thirty thousand dollars to put in on his barber shop and he's fucking around trying to move a package out of town or some shit some motherfuckers just ain't going to do right, dog. So you just got to be

conscious of that shit, you know what I mean? Some motherfuckers just not going to do what they're supposed to do. How about you, A? Nip was a true representative of his neighborhood. Right. He wanted to keep all of that

in his neighborhood. Of course he could have went to Beverly Hills or, you know. He wanted to be an example, a living example. And all that to open a store. But I think he wanted to show niggas that I'm going to keep the bread here. Like, niggas talk about it, you know. Get back to the block and, you know, buy your own and shit. He wanted to really, you know,

he really wanted to show that. And that gave you a lot of motherfucking respect. Just in the streets alone. You feel me? Being able to give back. Nigga, you on your block.

Nigga, you got a major store and you major this and that now and you still right here. Also getting niggas knocked down every day. Not actually. I mean, really, that came from some other shit. You get me? Because if you're able to be cool with motherfuckers and you able to maintain a certain then you don't have beef with niggas you get me i that's and that's the problem with shit you can't prevent another nigga's jealousy man you get me you can't like i tell niggas every day i'm cool with every

motherfucking body but there's somebody out there that don't like a nigga right and not because i didn't shot up a nigga block or did some shit or whatever who knows maybe because we come from the same motherfucking place and you ain't as well off or you ain't to do it but nigga shit it's still a struggle every day is why i tell a motherfucker but you can't prevent niggas jealousy so and and if you want to remain grounded to where you come from, which he they go, he everybody, you know, he represented the 60s to the fullest. And even though I'm on a different motherfucking plateau right now, I'm going to still show niggas that if it wasn't from where I came from, then none of this would be possible. So if I can buy a building in the hood and then keep it on some positive shit, my niggas ain't going to be breaking into it or striking it up

and everybody going to protect it and look at it as the neighborhood store, I'm going to be right there. But like I said, you can't prevent niggas who in the cut who, because like you said, you can get caught anywhere.

Yeah. You can get caught anywhere. Yeah. You can get caught anywhere, man. And I remember when that shit happened. That shit was sad shit, dog. They called the homie's phone. He was over at my house. And that shit was in real time on FaceTime. And I was wondering, why is this nigga FaceTiming us, man?

You got a pistol, nigga. Shoot the nigga. Do something. Call the police. Like, why the fuck you calling us? You feel what I'm saying? It's like, shit is crazy dog I don't see more motherfuckers

Get let off man Wait you saying they called you In real time when it was happening Yeah on FaceTime dog I swear to God You guys told me You can last him alone man He was sitting right there

In my motherfucking dining room That's wild Like why are you calling me Like and got a pistol Like I've never seen So many niggas with pistols But don't shoot No motherfucking body

I'll tell you one thing I've never seen so many niggas with pistols, but don't shoot no motherfucking buddy. Wow. I'll tell you one thing. I've been going to LA for years, and you know I'm cool with Daz and Corrupt, and I will go to their shows and snoop sometimes. And Nipsey, you know, I'll tell you this. When I went to his show, it was the first time I actually seen

all of LA culture come out. Like, every single people came out. Like I kid you not, I'm talking about, I don't know if they was gang members, but it was Chinese people. It was Latinos.

I had, because in New York, it's very common to see Latinos and blacks together. In LA, I didn't see that a lot. You get that at shows. But I didn't see it a lot.

You don't get it at, you don't get it at shows. I seen it at the show. I seen it at Nipsey's show. That was the first time. I was like, holy shit. You know what I mean? So, like, I felt like, in essence, he was almost as powerful as Malcolm X. Oh, Nipsey was the shit, though.

That's how I felt. That's how powerful he was. Go ahead. how powerful he was go ahead to like I said to a lot of people he was like he was the essence of what you supposed to do and be when you from LA

and you claim a neighborhood or whatever to people he was he was just that you get me you know

we had that element like when Eazy first started rapping Eazy you know Com that element like when Eazy first started rapping. Eazy, you know, Compton was vicious. But Eazy had it to where niggas felt good about being from Compton. You get me?

I can see those similarities. You get me? Nigga, when Eazy came out, nigga, I don't give a fuck who he was. Blood, crip, Mexican. Nigga, you loved boys. He included everybody too. You loved boys in the hood record when you first heard him because it was like, oh shit. This nigga

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. AT&T. Connecting changes everything. My bad. Shoot, got it ducked. You had a front row seat to that, like that whole Eazy-E earlier. Oh, yeah, definitely.

It changed the culture of our music. Right. And it allowed a lot of us who basically didn't know what the fuck we was finna be doing we finna be gangbanging going to prison and cemeteries man because like i said as a youngster i didn't see shit else right you get me you go from nigga i'm watching super friends on saturday eating Captain Crunch. Next thing you know, you like out here like, nigga, what the fuck? I'm supposed to be serving, carrying a pistol, and niggas hit the block with the lights on. Nigga, it's time to start shooting.

You don't see nothing else after that. You get me? You see homies dying. You see a couple of homies coming up off the dope game. But for the most part, nigga nigga we on the block every day so did you ever make any music with on rent or any of them at any point i started um right when easy got sick i had started writing some songs for him for him yeah oh damn yeah i can hear you my bad we're cutting you up i can hear your lyrics i out of Easy. I can hear you. My bad for cutting you off. I can hear your lyrics coming out of it.

I've never heard this. I think I wrote like two songs for Easy. Nothing came out? No, because he got sick. Oh, man, I would love to hear it. He never recorded them at all. No. I know the dude I was fucking with back then, he had a close relationship with them.

So he came to me one day and said, Easy might want you to write him a couple of songs. And you were already putting out records. Yes. Compton was one who was already out. Yes. So I wrote two songs and they wanted me to lay the lyrics to him. And I never did it because he got sick. Yes. They had some shit, dog, because I heard a song, because, you know, Bob kept.

Yes. He was doing shit. After Dre left, my guy brother started doing a lot of the staff production over there and Bob played me a record with Ren, Eazy, motherfucking Dr. Dre and Q. Like the NWA shit, that shit still to this day. I ask him all the time, man, play that shit for me, dog. Let me get a copy. He said, hell, motherfucking hell. The hardest shit I ever heard, though, dog, that was hard.

Unreleased. Unreleased. Unreleased. Like after the beef? After the beat like they was gonna get the shit back Like a reunion record

Like a reunion record Oh hell no And all of them sound and the beat was so motherfucking crazy dog It was just Ren was like the silent partner

It was crazy A lot He was dope Dude Yeah Ren was the shit Oh Ren was amazing That's all He can't say

Like well Early NWA days Man please Ren was Man come on man She swallowed it and all that motherfucking stuff. His EP, when he, solo EP, was crazy? Ren is, he's more the silent partner.

He's very quiet. And he was real loyal to the situation. I talked to Ren. You really was around, like, when I found out about you, I did my homework. And, like, your knowledge of hip-hop is, you got a great knowledge of hip-hop, right? I watched a couple of your interviews. But it's like, you know, growing up, you know, like in Compton, like, that's where arguably gangster hip-hop, you know what I'm saying, like, was made. When you came with your sound, it was like the piano, strings, the high pitch.

It was different from most of the other gang banging. Like you really introduced that sound. Everybody was doing a lot of BPMs was up in the high notes. Yeah, it was fast. You slowed it all the way down. I, when I started rapping, you know um i like movies i would always like when the movie get to that part know somebody finna die or scary nigga finna jump up to it so i always wanted mob music to fit that that makes sense because i wanted my music to tell the soundtrack or the story that was going on. So I never got into the fast-paced shit because I wanted niggas to hear me. Like, I'm sitting down and listening to what I'm finna tell you.

Who was that producer? Who was that? DJ Slip produced a lot of my shit. Okay, Slip. I wanted my shit to be the soundtrack to the streets of shit. You get me? Niggas struggling motherfucking they just drove by miss daisy motherfucking the hood took me under niggas still struggling i wanted niggas

to know like nigga it's real like it's real fucked up where i'm from like and i'm getting a chance to tell motherfuckers, nigga, last night so-and-so got shot with decay and then the homies went and did this and blah, blah, blah. Then the ones came through, nigga, and they took all of us to jail and now we sitting up. Nigga, y'all need to hear this shit

because you cannot tell me that somebody over there ain't went to jail tonight for something or something or just getting caught up. So I wanted my shit to be sinister. And when you sat back and listened to my shit, you'd be like,

hell, motherfucker, yeah. It wasn't the same LA. I'm sitting on the drive-by on a nigga right now. So how crazy was it for you when finally it was a soundtrack record on Boys in the Hood? Oh, man, that was...

Because that fit. It's exactly what you're describing you wanted to create. I used to hang out with... Shout out my dude, JD, from the Lynch Mob. Me and him was real good friends. And this was at the time when they was filming, boys. Is JD the one that's locked up now? No, JD's out.

JD's friend. Yeah, shout out my nigga J.D. So we used to go up to the set. You know, they was with Cube, whatever, whatever. I didn't even know John Singleton. And you had already filmed in this? No, no, this was before.

No, this was before. That's what I'm saying. He had a hand in both these classic videos. That's crazy. This was when I had, what was I did? I just dropped one time, gaffled him up.

And so the video was out, whatever, blah, blah. So I go up to the set with JD and John Singleton come out the trailer. And me and JD just standing there smoking. He walked right up to me. He said, that video was hard as fuck. What video he talking about? He talking about one time, gaffled him up. That was He said, that video was hard as fuck. What video he talking about? He talking about One Time Gal for the Month. That was my first video. It was hard.

And I'm looking like, who is this motherfucker? And he was like, oh, this is my movie, and I'm shooting boys in the hood. And I was like, yeah, I'm still a young nigga with hood. And I'm like, yeah, whatever. I'm going to get you in my soundtrack. And I was like, man, please. This nigga ain't fucking with Hood. I'm like, yeah, whatever. I'm going to get you on my soundtrack. I was like, man, please.

This nigga ain't fucking with me. He was like, no, no, man, I'm telling you. Two weeks later, they called. I got to see the movie. Then I was going to the set every day, so I got to see it. The movie, Boys in the Hood?

Yeah, I got to see it while they was making it. I was like, oh, this shit's going to be easy as fuck. Nigga, growing up in the hood, nigga, this the year. I didn't know what the fuck was going to happen. And moms was treating me like I wasn't shitting. And my younger brother was getting all the love because I was at home in the hood with a single mom, with younger brother and i was the middle kid so i'm like nigga this is me right here so it was easy to pin that type of shit you've seen the movie before

everybody else yeah he was on the set too yeah i was on the set too they threw me in a little did you know it was gonna be as big as it was did you know it was gonna be as big as it was? Did you know it was going to be as big as it was when you seen it first? I thought it was because those movies started jumping off. You get me? Tupac did Juice. They did South Central with Glenn Plummer. Then we had Colors.

So I'm like, oh, this shit was in the back. I'm like, this shit's going to take off. Did it feel like it was more authentic or you felt like it was one of those movies

like all of them were the same? was different but it still showed neighborhood incidents i think that's why boys in the hood did so good because it felt more real than the other movies yeah it was it was you know with trey and the college and all that that was something different you know as you've seen in menace right you know it was totally different yeah you know, as you've seen in Menace. You know, it was totally different. You know, Menace, they was just trying to show niggas in the hood and how a nigga trying to escape, you know what I'm saying?

When you got the script, A-Wax, when you got the script. Wax. Right. When you got, like, did you, okay, you know, because the script was like your life, so you could really Right, right. You could relate to what's in there. So when you're on the movie set, I'm sure that there's a lot of improvisation going on, and you're improvising, right?

They let me do a lot of ad-libs. Okay, so what scene do you think you improvised that was off-script and that made the scene better? What part of the movie that was like because of you? That's my favorite movie. That's a great movie. Those two movies to me are such cult classics. I got the ad lib, the killing part. That was like a lot of me ad libbing.

The burger stand. The burger stand. That's my favorite. And a lot of me inside. You mean before you get to the murder? While we going to the murder and we talking and all that, when I'm telling the story, that was all improvised.

And then the part where I ran in the back and was like, hey, you need some help? You need some help? That was all improvised. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me tell you something. Let me just tell you something. I probably should have always told you this.

You did that role so good. For years, I was scared of you. I was scared of you. I was scared of you. I was scared of you. I was scared of you. I was scared of you. Because he did the role too good.

I was just like, that's him, man. Like, I didn't think you were acting. I was like, he has to have experience somehow I wasn't really act because it's like Killed the homie and I get a chance Shoot you once well, I'm gonna go the whole thing on you then kick you and call you a punk ass nigga I'm like, let's go It was like you gas the little homies

Like I watch this morning again, and I'm like you know, oh gee, oh yeah, I ain't, that's what you do. I didn't remember that until this morning. I'm watching, I'm like, wait a minute, that nigga's the OG in this shit. Oh yeah,

the OG's influence has to do a lot of shit. Hey nigga, there go some niggas across the street. Get out right now. The girl with the dreads, what's her name?

The one with the, what's her name? The one with the dreads that was in it with y'all. That was, who played the homegirl. Was she, is that the same girl

and that was in, you know, New Jack City. Was that the same one who said Rockablock Baby? Was that the same? No, no, no. Why do I always thought

that was her? Which is another L scene. That's one of the L scenes. She was like a young actress or whatever. From L.A.? She was from L.A.? I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, getting the part, like, I didn't know them niggas was gonna choose me he was brothers yeah they had a it was it was me and mc rand who was going out for the really get the fuck out of here i can't picture right now because they told me they told me uh they want i read for it and they wanted rand to read read for it i don't know if he actually did should have gotten award for that because every rapper wanted to like yeah when they watched you wanted to be like wanted to be waxed like it was all dogging him you know I'm saying okay but right the way you did your shit bro and then to have the song on it yeah straight up like like that

had to be like um you know like, like, some things just clicked. It just clicked for me. You know, I've never, you know, again, they hit me up. I went out. I read. I didn't think the niggas was going. I'm like, nigga, y'all can go get Tupac or, I mean, when y'all got Pac. Y'all can get motherfucking Q.

It was like grumpy smart. I was like, yeah, man, fuck that. They called me like three times and on the third time they was like, yeah, you got the part and I was like, okay, and shit. So I just when I read

the script and I seen what the movie about, I'm like, oh, man, I was doing that shit yesterday. You get me? I was on the block. Like I said, up until then, I was still in the neighborhood. Did you like the process of making the film? No. Oh, man, I shouldn't have.

The hurry up and wait? All that shit, man. The hurry up and wait, yep. Call times at 5 o'clock in the fucking morning. And then sometimes you're sitting around all day and then you don't even shoot your scene. And next thing you know, they tell you you can leave and you've been up there nine hours and shit.

So some days it was cool. Some days I was like, man, fuck this shit. But in the end, it was all worth it. You get me? It put us, as far as CMW and me, on a different plateau. And the song was a hit. We was able to extend it. I'm going overseas now and all kinds of shit.

So, you know, it was a beautiful thing. Always shout out to the Hughes brothers for that. Listen, I'm going to just be honest with you. Let's give a shout out to the Hughes brothers. That scene is so classic. Like, so classic. Today, I was with my younger homies. They're younger than me.

And I was just like, y'all didn't see Menace? And they was just like, they was looking at me like, and I was like, you didn't see that scene? And it was like, the fact that they didn't know, I felt like they couldn't read. I was like, you don't know how to read what scene are you talking about the one where he's drying up

that scene when he said yo homie all his parts in the movie yo homie when he said to him yo homie you need some help and then boom boom

I was like got up all up I was like oh shit he did that before we gonna get into a Time with Slime. Damn, somebody send it to Zeno. Somebody send him the Quick Time with Slime.

You got Zeno number, right? Yeah. Hold on. All right, cool. Let me stop. I don't want to drink, right? As long as we ain't drinking. Nah, nah, nah.

You got nothing to drink, too. Slime's not for you. All right, cool. Let me stop. I don't want to drink, right? As long as we ain't drinking. No, no, no. You ain't a designated drinker, too. I'm going to do a drink and I'm out. We're not going to let him drink no more. I think you're bad. We're not supposed to be designated drinkers.

We're not supposed to drink. He's for bad. That must have been a drinker. He's from bed. That must have been a good day. No, he came with a mission that day. He came with a mission that day. But, hey, we're going to get you a designated drinker. Yeah, okay.

Bring them all. We're swallowing. Yo, Sonny. Where's Sonny at? You want a designated drinker? Yeah. Yeah, that'll drink for you. Zeno's going to have his own drink?

Yeah. And no, Zeno's, Yeah. Yeah, that'll drink for you. Zeno going to have his own drink? Yeah. And no, Zeno's, because being that Sonny's from Boston, he'll be Sonny's. You going to stay there? Nah, come on. Sit over here and have fun, man. Come on, man. Come on, man.

So what, Kyle? Let me see. Let me see. Oh, I got that back. Oh, damn, you brought that. Insight. I should have brought it. Man, I was looking for so much shit in there,

and I should have brought that. All right, damn. Boris, you want to? Oh, no, you driving, right? We good. We good, though. Yeah, no, no, no. No, no, no, it's my driver.

Yeah, bro, get out of here. Somebody's saving it for me, then. No, no, Sonny's going to stay in there. Sonny's going to stay in there for you. I'm testing that drink. You a good drinker. Diego, you going to drink? Come on, drink Japanese whiskey.

Yeah. So you're going to abuse my white friend. Norm, you drinking, right? I got you. Norm drinking? You drinking? He got a glass Japanese whiskey. So you're gonna abuse my white friend. I got you, I got you. You drinking? He got a glass right there. Swallow that down. Let's go. We drinking shots. You drinking shots? Oh, hell no, man. We drinking with you. We drinking too.

We drinking too. Get the fuck out of here. Come on, let's go. It's a game. It's gonna be more than one. It's a game. Let's go. Let's go. It's a long game, but we're gonna have some fun with it. I mean, it could be zero. Who we had?

We had someone recently. No, not Kirk Franklin. We had a guest that we drank like one shot out of 20 questions. Yeah, who was it? TK. No, no. I was here, though. I wasn't at TK. Who was it?

All right. Stephen A. Smith. Stephen A. Smith. Okay, you ready? You got to tell him the rules. Yeah, yeah. You can abuse it. Tell him the rules, though.

Oh, damn. You know you explain the rules better. We're going to give you two choices, right? All right. If you pick one, no drinking, right? If you say both. If you don't pick, like you say both or neither, that's not picking. We all take a shot.

Okay. I got it. And then anything, anybody we mentioned, like if you got a story, please, let's go in. I got you. We try to bring up stories, you know? And Zeno's banned from this park. No drinking with Zeno on this park. Especially on this park. He's drinking

through osmosis. That's what he lost. I understand. Oh, man. You ready? Yeah, let's go. Tupac or Eazy-E? Eazy. Oh, okay. That was easy. Eazy-E. Okay.

Okay. Ice Cube or Snoop Dogg? Cube. Man, the big bawa Snoop Dogg, dog. Okay. Okay. Nah, nah, nah. That's cool.

That's cool. You got it? Dr. Dre or DJ Quick? Dre. God damn, man. Y'all ask questions. Don Dre. God damn, man. Y'all ask questions. Don't show up, man. You can say both.

If you say both, we drink. Huh? Shit. I should just take the easy route out, man. Shit, both. Yeah, both. I can drink. So you got to make a drink.

Take a drink. Give him a shot. Come on. Give him a shot. Jamie, you got a shot for him? Take a guzzle right now. Yeah, he can take a guzzle. But see what he wants for a shot, Jamie, for him.

Man, what's my option? This should be easy. I got some shit over there. I got some. What you drinking over there? My Moana. What's that? It's Dominican, Dominican stuff.

Dominican. Get that Dominican. Get that Dominican. Get that Dominican. Get that Dominican. Nah, I'm fucking with you. Oh, sometimes I you. Get that Dominican in you, nigga. Nah, I'm fucking with you. Oh, sometimes I'm like, get that Dominican in you.

Get that Dominican in you, nigga. Get that Dominican in you. Careful, he's going to sneak up. Pass it, pass it, pass it. Get that Dominican in you. Stop playing. I got to hit that shit now? No, no, no.

Wait for the next one. Wait for the next one. Nas or Jay-Z? No, no, no. Wait till the next one. Nas or Jay-Z? Nas. Nas. Okay. I went for Queens. I respect that. Too short or E-40?

We're taking the drink. Don't do the rest. E-40. Oh, man. Man, I'm going to drink, though. Okay, I'm going to drink. Cheers. Let's go, Sonny. Oh, man, I'm a drink, though. Okay, I'm a drink. I'm a drink. Cheers. I sacrifice my life for this.

Let's go, Sonny. He's representing me. Oh, man. You're going to like this one. Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole. Counting all day. Count. I knew that. Counting all day. Counting. Counting. Counting. Counting. Counting.

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Counting. Counting. I just would not let y'all go against that. I knew that. Where we at? All eyes on me or me against the world? Ooh. Oh, hell no. Drink. All eyes on me. Mm. All eyes on me.

Okay. Analog or digital? Analog. Me too. Analog. Me too. I'ma take a shot for that even though I ain't got That's a deal You got a clean

Yeah I got a clean record I love analog man I wish I always say The reason why our music Was better back then Was because we had to make Records together

Yes it did I couldn't send you We had No We couldn't send you No fucking 8 inch rail Hell nah Let me send you just 2 inch

Let me send you just 2 inch It was more personal It was more had to it was more personal. It was more personal. It was more personal. So you had to like be in the booth. And the music came out that way. You had to hear his rhymes as he wrote it.

You know what I mean? Like that shit is like it's much better. So I'm taking a shot even though I ain't got to take a shot. I'm going to take a shot for that. I got the next one. King T or Ice T?

The T's. King T. I knew he was going to say that. That's Compton. If it's Compton, you know it. King T's hard,

though. Nah, both of them. Shout out to both of them. I grew up on King T. King T's hard. All of his first shit on Techno Hop.

I was on Techno Hop as a young artist. So, the coolest, Payback's a Mother, Better Break a Gun. I think he's underappreciated. He's such a legend. He's definitely underrated. Underrated, yeah.

He's definitely underrated, underappreciated. Way before his time. Way before his time. And when he did with the Liquid Crew? Ice-T was on Techno Hop too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, man. Come on, man. All right. Before it's time

Hi, so death row or ruthless records Where'd you go? That's a great one Bro come on death row You you too big to pick ruthless. You got to pick death row. I'm going to tell y'all something. You just look like a death row nigga. I'm being honest. I'm sorry. It wouldn't be no death row if it wasn't a ruthless. That's right.

That's the right fact. That's the right fact. Real shit. I guess if we got a drink, we should drink my nigga. I'm going ruthless. He said both then. You said both or you said ruthless? He said both.

If you said ruthless, then we don't got to drink. Yeah, we don't got to drink. I'm saying ruthless. Okay, you don't got to drink. I'm saying ruthless. I'm saying ruthless. I'm saying ruthless. I'm saying ruthless. I'm saying ruthless. I'm saying ruthless. I'm going ruthless. He said both. You said both or you said ruthless? If you said ruthless, then we don't got to drink.

I'm saying ruthless. You don't got to drink. He just wanted to drink. I like that. I like that. He in the mood now. I heard you drink champagne. Yeah, I drink a little bit.

I heard you do a quick squawk. That's how you squawk over some champagne. We'll get to that later. You got it? Mac 10 or Fat Joe? Yep. Yo, you know Mac a cold nigga. He'll see this shit in a minute.

Mac 10. Shout out to Mac 10, yo. Mac 10. Mac 10. Oh, shit. Yo, I like your face. He thought about it. I like that. So we going Mac 10? Mac 10. Oh, shit. Yo, I like your face. You talking about it. I like that.

So, we going Mac 10? Mac 10. All right, cool. Man. You can't leave the witness. I fuck with Fat Joe, dog, but I talk to Mac 10 on the phone like two or three times a week, dog. I have to go roll with Mac, dog. Okay.

You know what's up? You were starting to hoobagging at one point, right? Yeah. Okay. Ain't no knocks Against the Don Cardigino He a cool nigga Right

And we need Mack 10 on too Yeah we do Absolutely Ghetto Boys or UGK Ghetto Ghetto Boys Ghetto Boys

Yeah the story That he told That he had him Driving him around With him Was crazy One of my people And Bushwick

You said right The gangsta rap Summit together At Jay's house Remember Yeah That nigga Bushwick Dog I had to kick Bushwick out you said, right? We was at the Gangsta Rap Summit together at Jake's house, remember? Yeah, definitely. That nigga Bushwick, dog.

I had to kick Bushwick out of the crib, dog. I'm the same story. I'm the same story. The idea of you kicking Bushwick out fucks me up right now. Let me tell you. I had a homeboy named Polar Bear, right? Polar Bear's a producer. He's produced for QD3 and shit.

Oh, yeah. So he called me one day and said, hey man you know could you come to my house man a bushwood doesn't want to go home and I was drinking he must have been yeah yeah God man my man's wife isn't my man's wife is in there you know his wife is in there in their robe and my man's wife is in there. You know, his wife is in there in their robe and shit, man. And Bushwick smacked the man's wife in the ass. Hey, you bitch. And my boy want to go. So I grab him and I say, man, I'm going to just get him home. We don't want to beat Bushwick up, my nigga.

He only this tall. You know what I mean? He only this tall. So I tell Bushwick, I say, man, you know, you got to go. You disrespected my man's crib and everything. And Bushwick says, man, I don't give a fuck how big you are. And he was walking.

And he was trying to walk by a tire in my car's lane. And I slept that little motherfucker out. Pick his ass up and throw him outside and shit, dog. God bless the dead, but Bushwick was a little slick motherfucker. And so I stopped walking over to the tire, and I said, you ain't gonna get me. I socked his ass and ate him through his ass, you know what I'm saying? Oh, shit. Oh, no.

Bushwick was in, though. Nah, he was in, man. Because I was looking at the pipe. He was going buck-tort in the backyard. If he'd have got that pipe, he'd probably have kneecapped my ass. He would have tried for sure. What a legendary group, though, man. Shout out to Big Daddy King.

Oh, man, he got some fucked up ass questions, though. We can take the shot. Yeah, take the shot. He ain't drinkin', so he don't give a fuck. Big Daddy. Big Daddy, wow. He really just don't say both. He don't give a fuck about politics Daddy. Big Daddy, wow. He really just don't say both. He don't give a fuck about politics.

Everything he says is a truth. He don't drink. Right, right. No, I just... He could say both because he's not drinking. He could make it easy. Okay, okay. You drinking?

If I'm going off of me as a youth and hip-hop and what I listen to and whatever, I'm going to pick the motherfucker who's it. I'm not pick the motherfucker who's it I'm not I bang some Big Daddy Kane you get me I didn't I didn't bang a lot of LL to later on because nigga we was hood niggas and that I need love kind of threw us off a little bit so nigga I don't think a Big Daddy was raw, nigga. He would grow up. Big Daddy, nigga, he would grow up. I love him. I love him.

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I love him. I love him. You ain't loving no niggas over here, nigga. But you can shit. You ain't think LL was the hardest motherfucker in the world? He was hard, but I'm just saying, nigga, at the time, niggas was like, nigga, I don't need no love, nigga. I need a motherfucking heat. And L wasn't making it for motherfuckers either.

L wasn't making it for the ladies anyway, so he knew. Exactly. And you over there for the ladies, so. You was fucking with L, right? In Queens. I mean, Queens. Hell yeah, girl. Yeah, Queens.

L was good. L was my nigga. I right? In Queens. I mean, Queens. Hell yeah, girl. Queens. LL was good. LL was my nigga. I think he loved you, Brody, baby. He was rocking the bells, the nigga radio. He was lifting his lips and shit.

You know, when we banged LL, like I said, rocked the bells and all that shit. I need a piece of his car, man. All of that. Oh, man. And then came with that doom, doom, doom. I was like, man. Well, that was lovely of you.

But wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute. I'm like, come on. What did you think

about going back to Cali? I liked it. It was weird at first. It was different. I'm used to, like you said, I'm used to rock the bell. Jack the Ripper was my shit. it was different. It was different. Like, I'm used to, like you said, I'm used to rock the bell. Jack the Ripper

was my shit. That was my shit. Nigga, mama said, knock you out, nigga. 14 shots to the dome. I played that shit all day, but like I said, back then, nigga,

I'm in the, I'm in the hood. Nigga, we can do this. Nigga, I'm talking about the boom box, nigga. I can't be walking around the hood dropping, I need love. Niggas is like, come on, cuz.

When I'm alone in the room, she talking to me. Oh, nigga. I got the boombox, nigga. I got the field. What's that, cheat my nigga? You playing that shit, cuz? You know he was at home with that nigga? Like, you playing that shit?

Like, dude, what you playing, nigga? Put on some nigga every, any time that came on the mix time, what you playing, nigga? Put on some nigga every, any time that came on the mixtape. Niggas was like, I need love with the homies. I'm MK. Dude, we in the garage chilling, nigga. Then the mixtape come on and then it's the,

one of them little niggas was like, man, come on. Niggas might come through right now. Dumpin' and shit. Niggas be dead. Niggas be dead on the scene and the police walk up and like, well, they was playing and I need love and shit. Niggas be dead on the scene and the police walk up and like, well, they was playing I Need Love and shit. And they about to pull up and they like, like this.

Yeah, they like, we about to pull up on some niggas that are dumping shit. The nigga got I Need Love last and shit. And I'm like, throw everybody out. Everybody might save some lives. Them niggas looking at us. We about to dump on him. This nigga's cool as fuck.

By the way, LL's going to find us. He's dead. This nigga's got no static. Nigga, they pulling up. You hear the song? They cool, nigga. Y'all pick. No, no, no.

Don't do that. That's okay. No, no, no. No ground. You know what came? And this is round, though. But you ain't pick yet. You ain't pick.

That's the tip. Man, I don't know. He got me thinking right now, because Big Daddy King was just hard as a fuck. Go off. Yeah, you, you. Big Daddy King had me cutting my eyebrows. That's what I'm saying. Come on, man. He had me doing that.

He had a whole bunch of niggas cutting their eyebrows. My eyebrows dicked right now. King was a hood nigga. King was L. And then he was messing with Madonna and shit? Let me take a side. LL was hard. King was a hood nigga. Hey, man, letL was hard. And Kane was a hood nigga.

Hey, man, let me tell you this. Kane was a hood nigga. And he picked up on Madonna, too. Come on. When I heard Big Daddy Kane and Koochie Rap on the symphony shit, and they was going back and forth, that was like Superman versus motherfucking Spider-Man or some shit. Or Batman.

Yeah, you you just like, damn, like, what you picking? We drinking. Man, just put a quarter on your ass because you plagued yourself. What you picking?

That nigga saying that shit? Yep. So who you picking? Yeah. Who you picking? I got to do my shit. Long live the motherfucking Kane. You got to drink.

You got to drink. That's why I'm fucking saying I want to drink because he shit? Long live the motherfucking Kane. You got to drink. You got to drink. That's what I'm saying. He just want to drink because he feeling good. No, no. He had to shit. No, that's what I'm saying, dog. I picked Kane.

You picked Kane. You picked Kane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, man. We got you. We got you. We'll give you this shit. Menace to society

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Come on. I just showed you the cover. He's on the cover. I'm going with the source. I'm going with the source. Come on. That was easy. He leaded the way.

You got to deal with him with the source. That's a classic cover. I had two. I had two. I had two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would think it's

definitely a source. No, no, no. I ain't going down that route. I like that. That's my favorite. Y'all had me on two covers. Yeah, yeah, nah, I ain't going down that route. I like that, that's my character. By the way, y'all had me on two covers, so. Yeah, right, right.

That's right, yeah. Goddamn. Hey! Guess how many covers I had. 0.99. Oh, damn. You see, he looked the other way at me. You mean he tell, what?

He didn't like me. I'm not saying that. He thought I was responsible. He thought I was responsible. He thought I was responsible for Slick. For something shocking. He really didn't talk to me. You know what I'm saying? I was so mad, right, that 20 years later, we became friends, right?

And we were arguing about something totally different. And I just said, you gave him get rid of the course. Hey, man. I felt fucked up too. I was like, shit. He was like, yo, no, that was 20 years ago. Hey, man,

was you really mad when Silk throwing the shit over you, though, though? Silk, yeah. I feel you, man. I could have gave you that. I could have gave you that.

Listen, let me tell you who, I'm going to be honest with you. We had Silk here. He told us. He told us. Silk to his face. I'm going to be honest with you. It was some kids. He told them. He told us. I'm going to be honest with you. It was me, Corrupt, DMX, Cam'ron, and Big Pun, right?

And Cannabis. And what was my man? Super Shocker beat all the motherfuckers? Oh, you fucking kidding? You mean that's kidding? I mean, no disrespect. God damn. What are you saying?

I just came home to Capitana, Capitana, yeah. So, he'd be this best new artist, right? He was like,

all right, cool. Then he beat us for album of the year. He was like, all right, cool. He beat us

seven categories. Me and Pun left mad as a motherfucker. Man, every time y'all saw that motherfucker doing that

blah, blah, blah, blah shit he be doing. And I was hating on Silk. I was hating on saw that motherfucker doing that, blah, blah, blah, blah, shit he be doing. And I was hating on Silk. I was hating on Silk. I told Silk, I was like, Silk, man, I can't believe you beat us in every category. And he a good dude, too. What was that based on?

Silk is a good dude. Hold on. Silk is a good dude, yeah. Hold on. I don't know what he's gonna say to us about Silk and Silk. No, no, no, take a drink. Oh, man. And I'm putting on his flowers. See, that's what I'm still kissing you. No, no, no, take the drink. Oh, man. No. I don't put it on his bow.

See, that's what's happening. I'm just kissing you. Oh, man. Oh, man. It's going down up in here, man. It's going down up in here. Oh, man. You want a drink?

Yeah. Let me get one. Let me get two. It's the Gates to Chronicles. That's it. One question for one second. I'm just missing my time. OK, yeah.

All right. Do you remember his question? No, no. It's the Gates to Chronicles edition right now. Yeah, yeah. Gates to Chronicles edition. At the source, right, you got a journalistic side, journalism, and then you have your business side. On the journalism side, it's like the journalist and the, one thing I will say, T-O-N-Y is my favorite verse. Yeah, yeah, but you ain't give me a word. Geno, Geno, Geno. one thing I will say t-o-n-y is my favorite verse Come on. Come on, Z. We're going to take this podcast to hold in on Z, though. Yeah, come on, Z.

I just wanted to make sure he don't have it. I love that song. That's one of my top verses on Jay-Z and Nas' verses. That verse. At least you feel shitty about giving Silk that award over your dog. It was the best. You should have won, dog.

Honestly. You should have won. It was me. You should have won. Shout out to Pink and Silk. Shout out to Busta P. Shout out to them, for sure. I don't know, definitely.

Master P was buying like six ads. You know what I'm saying, bro? Fucking thing. Like, think about it. He's buying six ads a magazine. Right, I get it. So, you know what I'm saying? I get it.

That's the only thing that I can think of. I get it, yeah, yeah. Because me as a fan, you know, it's the business. You know what I'm saying? It's the business. I hear you. And corrupt. It was like, I want to give it to.

You got to get Dave Mays to I mean I'm not taking nothing Away from you But at the time That was the time Of real hip hop Oh definitely And Silk just wasn't At that time

Considered real hip hop So it was corrupt Like I said It was me Corrupt Cam'ron Big Pun DMX

And I was just like Damn I'm going to be honest I wanted to lose Not to say Silk is not a reputable opponent But'm going to be honest. I wanted to lose, not to say Suga's not a reputable opponent, but if I was going to lose, I wanted to lose

with somebody that's a reputable opponent. Wasn't you sitting next to him? Was you by him? Yeah, I was definitely by him. I was definitely looking at him. I hate him. I know my nigga Kurok was like.

Hey, man. Kurok was like. Had to catch his breath on that one. He was like, God damn. I realize that's like the equivalent of losing the Crip Mac or some shit. Oh, Jesus. You better have to go to that one. Look, that's a parental advisory sticker by his cell phone.

It's all shit. I'm going to record label this shit right now. Hold on, hold on. Let's go. advisory sticker by his cell phone. It's all shit. I'm going to record label this shit right now. Hold on, hold on. Let's go. All right, doggy style or the chronic? That's a tough one right there. Doggy style. Wow.

Oh, shit, man. You just keep it too real sometimes, man. So what you doing? What you going with? Doggy style or the Chronic Man, even though I will say this, it ain't been an artist like you. You doing like Benzino now. You talking to all the rival bosses and shit.

Come on, get on with some shit. Before I say it dog, I'm just playing my shit to some niggas that think I'm tripping dog. It wasn't no album like Doggy Style when that shit first came out because it was playing I'm on the 29th, so niggas don't think I'm tripping, dog. It wasn't no album like Doggystyle when that shit first came out, because it was playing everywhere, dog. Like, every party I went to, that motherfucker was playing, dog. It didn't matter if I was in Virginia some fucking where. And it broke the record, too, at that time.

And it broke the thing. And Snoop Dogg's just the coolest motherfucker in the world, dog. But over the Chronic? Yeah, I think the Chronic the world, though. But over the Chronic? Yeah, I think the Chronic made Doggy style. I think the Chronic made Doggy style. I thought that's how you were going to handle it. Well, the Chronic definitely made Doggy style. Let me finish it, though. Okay, cool.

I think the Chronic, though, dog, that introduced that nigga, man, Snoop Dogg. And it was just such a political climate at the time. Man, it was out in L.A. tripping and shit. Motherfuckers were running down the street with TVs and shit. That's a tech. That's not a chronic. You just got to go with your personal taste. That's what this is about.

That's the thing. I can't say it. We got to drink, dog. It's both things. It's too important. That's fair. I think that's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Got a drink for that, though. Okay, Andre 3000 or Luda? It's a nice conversation. Or who? Or Luda. Okay, or Luda. 3000. What was the question?

Andre 3000 or Luda Chris? Oh, shit, man. Y'all be asking some hypothetical-ass questions, man. I said hypothetical. Hypoth, I'm a dad. I ain't exactly a dad. Man shit, I got a Gawain 3,000 man, three stacks. Okay, that's fair. Primo or Battle Cat?

Primo. You got to join with him, I'll fuck with him. He fuck with Primo. No, you got to hold a joint with him before He's Okay, okay Right there both Both and I'll be more back on the way. No people coming back. We working on that. Um cash money or no limit

That's a good one, That's a real good one. Cash money. I got to go cash money because them niggas still here. I mean, no limit technically still here, too. No, no limit. No limit to shit. See, this is what I don't do. I don't judge it off of that. I just go off of what I banged.

Yeah, right. I didn't bang a lot of no limit. I banged some cash money because of BG. I banged some Yeah, right. I didn't bang a lot of No Limit. I banged some Cash Money because of BG. I banged some Cash Money because of BG. Cash Money. BG was the shit, dog.

BG was the whole car. They was all good. The whole Cash Money roster. And I banged the whole Hot Boys album. I banged the fuck out of that. Chop City. Yeah, it was crackin'.

That album that they all had together, the Hot Boys, I banged the fuck out of that shit. And, Chop City. Yeah, it was crackin'. That album that they all had together, the Hot Boys, I banged the fuck out of that shit. And Juvie setting that off was crazy. I didn't listen to it. Like, Master P is cool. I was going to sign to No Limit at one time. Really?

Yeah. Why? Yeah, right before I signed to Who Banging. I was going to sign to No Limit. But I didn't listen to it. That would have been before Snoop? That was right before I signed to MAC-10. But I'm saying before Snoop signed to No Limit?

He was signed to them at the time. Already? I got to them. I got to them. That would have been great. You would have had the West Coast. Yeah, I got to them because of Snoop. Because at that time when Snoop was in his transition,

I was hanging out with him every day. Wow. I was hanging out with Snoop every day almost. So he took me up to the studio where PNM was. And when I walked in, he was like, fuck it. Yeah, we're going to, you know, Snoop said fuck it, so we're going to sign you. So I was going to sign to No Limit, and then Mack Tim walked in. Wow.

Dom Kennedy or Larry June? Dom. Dom Kennedy or Larry June? I don't know. This almost feels like if I say one, it's the wrong answer. This thing right here.

I really think this is serious, dude. You be taking it too personal Come on Put him up It's nothing personal It's just what you saying Go for whatever Grab your shot Aiden

I'ma do both of them niggas Cypress Hill or Cycle Realm? Cypress. Yeah, you got to say Cypress, dog, because it ain't no Cycle Realm without Cypress. NWA or Public Enemy? Ooh. Man, you know that's NWA, dog.

You got to be serious. Stop it. Come on. I fucked with Black Steel. I fucked with Black Steel and our chaos. To me, they were both the same on different sides of the spectrum. I fucked with Black Steel in our chaos, man. We're talking NWA.

Of course. But look, think about it. When Cube leaves with Public Enemy and look at how perfect that was. Yeah, but NWA. No, you can't leave the witness.

You can't leave the witness. Yeah, man. You weren't leading the witnesses, man. You know what? There was a shit when Cube started fucking with the bomb squad and shit. That's what I'm saying. When he went to the public enemy. I'm going to go both.

Okay. Oh, shit. I would have said both. What you going to say? You going to say both, too? I was going to say both. That's hard, bro. Yeah, man.

That's definitely deserving of both. I got a letter from the president. Man, come on, man. I got a letter from the government. Come on. I got a letter from the president. Man, come on, man. I got a letter from the government. Come on. I got a letter from the governor the other day. That was a hood anthem for us on the West Coast. My pussy weighs a ton.

You done? What? And that Bomb Squad production and the Dre production. Like, it's crazy. That Chuck D and that song right there was a hood anthem. Yeah, that was the shit right there. I beat a whole bunch of niggas up when that shit came out. I don't think that was the outcome they wanted.

Just like, you know, between the fences and shit, motherfuckers. I was young. I shagged and shagged the motherfuckers. I beat a few niggas up. I'm sure you did. Ain't nobody going to say no to that. Karis won or Rakim? Rakim.

He said it fast. Rakim. Fast. Rakim, yeah. That's my musical influence. I like KRS because of, you know, but you can't. Rakim is who I grew up off of. I wanted to rap because of Rakim

He said the music was a little rock humor. I wanted to rap because of Rakim and EPMD Any PMG? Yeah You know this rock him didn't curse and he was the hardest mother I feel like oh, don't know nigga in here deny if you're true hip-hop head when you first heard Eric B as president. Oh, come on. That was it. Out of here. That shit was over.

If you didn't love hip-hop at that point, you heard that record? And I used to get that shit on staticky-ass K-Day, and I used to wait for that shit. Just wait, and I had my tape cassette ready. And it's K-Day was the shittiest radio stay because it was on motherfucking AM, and it was the last station. So nigga, you get all kind of Mexican music in there mixed in a little bit. You have to set your antenna at the right angle

because they do the mix masters every Saturday night, nigga. And it was like, and when they played it, I used to wait, nigga. That president come on, you hear that motherfucker. Oh, do, do, do, do, do Oh do do do do do Ooh ooh

And I ain't talking about The seven minute remix one No I'm talking about The original Nigga bam Nigga And I used to listen to that shit For hours

And Easy didn't like me In the beginning Cause he said I sounded Too much like Rakim Really Yeah Wow

Yeah We tried to go We tried to Fuck with Roofless and them, and he said I sounded too much like Rakim. So you're saying Compton's Most Modern was almost on Ruthless Records? We tried to go through Ruthless,

and he said, nah, he sound too, that nigga sound too much like Rakim. So, we ended up fucking with Capital Records.

Yeah. That's crazy. Capital Records turned into Priority? Capital was, back then, fucking with Capitol Records. Yeah. That's crazy. Capitol, what, what you turn into priority? Capitol was, back then, we was fucking with Orpheus. Okay, Orpheus.

I got that in my notes. Yes. Orpheus, Melba Moore's husband owned Orpheus, Charles Huggins. Right. And that's how we got signed.

We went through Orpheus EMI, our first record deal. And that was through one of my known? Yeah. Okay, we're going to move on a little bit. L.A. Raiders or L.A. Chargers? I'm a Chargers fan. Chargers?

Yeah. Been since Kellen Winslow. Yeah. Since Doug Fouts. Dan Fouts. Since motherfucking Charlie Joyner. You know. What was that offense called motherfucking Charlie Joyner. You know. What was that offense called?

Humphreys they had back then. They trolled memes they had. Oh, yeah. I'm a true Charger fan. Dan Fouts. How about you? Chargers. Chargers?

That was easy. I got one more before the last. Okay. Big Boy's Neighborhood or the Baker Boys? Big Boy. Man, I really fuck with the Baker boys? Big boy. Man, I really fuck with the Baker boys,

dog. But I fuck with big boy though. I got to go with big boy. Okay. Okay. Respect the boys.

And this is the last one. Not a trick question. It's not a trick question. Out of all the ones, we feel like this one is not the trick question. Loyalty or respect? Respect.

Explain, bro. Respect take you a long way in this business and just with people in general. Everybody not going to be loyal to you. Niggas going to turn their back on you. When you gather a nigga's respect, then it's never no bullshit. You know what you get. Nigga going to never try to cheat you.

Fuck you. You get me? Because a nigga got that much respect for you. You ain't got to be the richest nigga. You ain't got to be the poorest nigga. But if you got respect from a man and just people in general, then you can be treated, you know, accordingly. With our respect, man, a nigga do you dirty, man. Nigga do you dirty if he don't respect you.

Nigga fuck your wife, man, if he don't respect you. You feel me? Nigga rob you for every penny you got if he can, if he don't respect you. You feel me? Nigga rob you for every penny you got if he can if he don't respect you. At least when a nigga respect you, he going to like as if I'm going to do it myself, man. You get me? I ain't going to cheat myself and I ain't going to cheat my nigga

right here. If it's $100,000 on the table, nigga, I ain't going to take $70,000 and give you $30,000. Nigga, I respect this man. This nigga came up with me. You know, somebody I trust. So, I'm going to make sure everything is on the up and up.

Nigga, loyalty, a motherfucker tell you they loyal to you and do you behind your back like it ain't shit. But if a nigga respect you, he don't never try to fuck you over.

Never. So, respect. I got to go with respect too, man, because I don't make motherfuckers a lot of money. You know, motherfuckers go back and do this, whatever. So I'll say respect, dog. Respect is everything.

I'm going to take a shot to that, Zena. Yeah, I'm going to take a shot to that. I'm going to take a shot to that. I'm going to take a shot to that. Salud, salud. Now, is it true that your moms and Suge Knight's moms stay across the street from each other? Stay across the street from each other? Yeah, this is around the height of my DJ Quick Beef.

Thank you. My mom stayed across the street from his mom. I used to see him all the time. I remember there was some shit going on in the neighborhoods, you know, whatever. But Suge pulled me over one time with probably about 30 niggas. Right. And he just made me assure that even though niggas was beefing and niggas was rolling around Compton

looking for each other or going through neighborhoods and all that shit, he assured that my mom's house wouldn't get fucked with. Suge assured it? Yeah. Wow. He said, as long as your mom's house wouldn't get fucked with. Sugar shirted? Yeah. Wow.

He said, as long as your mom live over here, nothing will happen to her crib. So I respected that. Right. And just out of pure ignorance, I know Sugar's blood. I know Quick is blood. But what I don't know

is the affiliation. Just because you blood, did he automatically take Quick's side? Because I don't never remember Quick being on Defro. I think Sugar was

managing Quick at the time. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. He was on Defro. He wasn't on Defro. He was being managed by Sugar.

I didn't know that. Everybody knew about our beef. It wasn't nothing that wasn't known. And like I said, I was still in the neighborhood. So the outtake is something happened here. It could be easily something happened there. You get me? They're right here.

Like, just a walk across the street. Ain't nobody gonna come do nothing to my mama's house, and we in close vicinity. So, he wanted to guarantee that. Like, this ain't got nothing to do with... Mamas.

Yeah. Y'all beefing or whatever. I hear talk in the streets or whatever, whatever. Just know that this is secure right here. Right. That's one less problem. So that was cool. Because he could, like you said, just by affiliation with them being, you know, could have been like, fuck that. Nigga mama house live right here so but that was never you know we try

to have that uh that code was that was that enough assurance for you to feel yeah that was good about that yeah yeah that was enough you you had to know that at the time like that that because again if something happened yeah it's nobody's safe. Like, so you can assure me, but like a nigga could get his own mind state and be like, fuck that. We're going to go through there anyway. Okay, but okay, now what? Because that's not going, it's going to be some retaliation. Right.

So why not take that out of the equation i remember um like you know i started to think about hip-hop beefs and when it wasn't funny like um like i never speak on jar rule and 50s beef right or i never speak on it because me being from queens i'm too close to it it's just it's just it's just right it's just not It's not for me right And I'm probably the only person In the world that got a Ja Rule interview Where I don't bring up 50 And I'm probably the only

Person in the world That got a 50 interview Where I don't bring up Ja Rule Cause I don't think it's funny I never thought it was funny No it's not Without Without me having direct

Association To you or Quick, I remember me looking at y'all beefs and saying that wasn't... Nothing about it was funny. Like, because I didn't know you, obviously, at that time and I actually

kind of still only met Quick a couple of times, but I didn't know him as well. But I remember the affiliation. Every motherfucker's telling me, yo, 8 is a real nigga, a street nigga. But then they're saying, Quick is a real nigga, a street nigga. And I remember that. And y'all going against each other.

And just the fact that I knew that Bloods and Crips was at the opposite ends. And I remember hearing your diss records and then hearing his diss records. I remember being like, damn, how does this, how does this? First off, let me just, let me make it make sense. Let me make, for viewers that don't know.

Or don't remember. Nah, if you hip hop, you remember. Yeah, definitely. For viewers that don't know, because I kept, you know, and I knew Zeno was guest hosting. So I kept telling him, I said, yo, let's look up this. I can't say the pinpoint.

I know you said something like quick or something like that. But you said, then I also read that you said you didn't know quick at that time. No, I didn't. It couldn't have been you was talking about him. So how did this actually start? Break it down for viewers you didn't know Quick at that time. No, I didn't. It couldn't have been you was talking about him. So how did this actually start? Break it down for viewers that don't know. I was working on my second album.

Straight checking them. There's a lot of artists coming out at the time. You know, Above the Law was coming out. Above the Law was coming out. You know. Above the Law, you said? Yeah, Above the Law.

A couple of, you know. Yeah. So, my DJ, who's actually a blood, his name was Mike T. Mike T. came to the studio one day, and he had a mixtape. And he said, let me play you this. And it was quick, on a mixtape. He was dissing all of us. Crip affiliated rappers.

Oh. He was dissing Eazy, NWA, dissing me. Like, you know. I didn't think. It was rap shit. It was rap. Niggas beef. They diss each other.

I wasn't too on the gang shit with it. It was whatever. Like, we rappers. Niggas diss each other. You didn't too on the gang shit with it. It was whatever. Like, we rappers. Niggas diss each other. You didn't look at dissing on tape correlated to street

banging shit? No, I didn't. Right, okay. It was just hip hop dissing whatever. Niggas diss,

they diss. You didn't take it as serious as that, I didn't take it gang affiliated shit. There wasn't no gun references or shit like that

or what? No, it probably was. It was, you know, something, something, I'm going to shoot

niggas from the top of the, but still in it's still rap it's the game of hip-hop right okay continue i'm not thinking even though he a blood i'm a crip but this is the hip-hop shit like i'm sorry but do y'all neighbor right i know that y'all bloods and crips are the opposite but do y'all neighbor has had beef before that no the opposite, but do y'all neighborhoods have beef before that? No. Okay, continue. Remember, his DJs are blood bringing him to tape. Like I said, I hung around Bloods, so it wasn't no Blood thing.

Again, this is what they do. LL was dissing Kumo D. That's the hip-hop shit. Okay, that's what they do but I'm thinking I'm already established I got a record out you get me he's still on mixtapes or whatever so I didn't even like I ain't dissing nobody so I was working on the second album I did a song called Death Wish and on the song I said biting me quick would mean you get my dick sucked quick. And they took that as me directing it at him by saying, biting me quick.

Biting was the thing back then. You bite a nigga, words or slang you biting so i'm saying if you bite my shit quick like if you bite it quick then you gonna get my duck sick quick no references to dj quick or the rapper or whatever but with that already being out there he a crip you a blood he's saying quick on the record I'm assuming somebody said he talking about you and that's how I was told it. This is after you said that you alleged that he was dissing everyone who was crip for free. I heard the mixtape okay but it wasn't like I'm finna write this song and direct it at him like. Because you thought you were already ahead right that's what you said. I'm going to write this song and direct it at him.

Because you feel you were already ahead, right? That's what you said. I'm already out of here. You wrote that lyric, though. What was you thinking? If you bite my... Anybody, though. General. General.

If you bite my jail, if you bite my shit, I have my own shit. When you heard that the first time, when you heard him dissing everybody, did you think of anything like, okay, you know what, man? You know what I'm saying? What's he talking about like i might say no hip-hop that's what they're doing you know what i can think about 50 when he did how to rob was they like that you know okay that's a good yeah yeah that was the mixtape like fuck it i'm gonna rob rap niggas or whatever so he doing his mixtape he's like nigga fuck, fuck. They, Compton's Most Wanted, NWA. Nobody was left safe, so it's hip hop. So when that came out, I guess it was directed like, y'all got beef.

I didn't have no beef, but that's the way it built up. And now my reputation as being a drag new park crip, I'm not going to back away from the. So, okay, so after he drops his mixtape, it's not known, right? It's just, it's a local thing? A lot of the songs on his mixtape became songs on his first album. Oh, wow. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, a lot of the songs on his mixtape became songs on the first album.

But I didn't even look at it like that. And our beef really just built up behind the streets, behind the affiliations, behind gangs. Because if it wasn't that, I don't know where it would have went. Because I didn't start getting warmed up until I did the next Death Wish. That's when I was like, fuck it. We're going full fledged. Because he did a song called Way Too Funky. And he mentioned me in the song.

So that's when it was going back and forth then. And by that time, Gang Niggas is involved. Imagine you had to put it back there. It's over with with the hip hop shit now. It's incredible. It's over with with the hip hop shit. I was standing right next to him at the Sorcerer. Yeah, it's over with.

When Quick was on stage, he came over. He was right there. It was Quick. He go to stage. He was right there at the stage, right in front of the stage. Oh, with Quick? He's standing like this. Quick's standing right there.

They right there. I'm like, oh, shit. When Suge said what he said, okay, we already done got past that. Wait, this is the same reward? The same night. Yeah, 95. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that happened. It was all set up.

It was all set up. No, but that, um, that was like legendary because like that, I mean, I felt like that was the first time like a person like performed a disc record and artists and I could, I could see your face. I could tell you wanted to rush the stage. Yeah, but we, we was, we was, we was They're artists. And I could see your face. I could tell you wanted to rush the stage. Yeah, but we was smart. Right. We only came nine deep.

Right. They had about 100. Yeah. So, we shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook,

shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, shook, right. Right. You get me? Right, right, right. We hard, but we ain't stupid. Eight can't fight a hundred. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I'm not going to put my homies in that jeopardy. But I didn't know the affiliation with Suge at that time. Suge was managing quick. Yeah, I just... They all performed.

And they all performed. They had the death roll. They had the cages. And he was in one of the cells. And they came out the cells. It was epic. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. It was beautiful.

That time was real crazy because it wasn't just sugar in them, but it was black tone in them too. Well, everybody was... Yeah, they was all... They was all clicked up. Yeah, because black tone... I thought somebody...

Honestly, I thought somebody was going to get hurt that time. Wu-Tang and Biggie had beef at that awards. Y'all didn't even know that. I heard about that. It was... It was...

That's like I said, by the time about that. It was, it was, it was, that's like I said, by the time we got home after that, it was just, it was, Ice Cube and all the thugs had issues. Black Tone was crazy.

Black Tone, Black Tone was really like, like, Black Tone on Sugar Free's label, what's the rapper on the West Coast named? Yeah,

Sugar Free. All the pimp shit, you know? Uh-huh. Tone ran laying away records, right? Uh-huh. Tone ran Lanyway Records, right? Mm-hmm. But Black Tone was like,

kind of like, I don't want to say Quicks, Manning, nothing like that, but they from the same neighborhood. They both from Treetop. Okay. Treetop, Piru.

Okay. And at that time, it wasn't just Sugar, you had Black Tone, you had all these motherfucking people. I thought somebody was going to get hurt

during that time, though. Man. It was, it was, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was treacherous times. Were you,

were you guys the first hip hop artists that were actually beefing, that were actually affiliated? That it was on opposite sides. I think so. Well known, well known.

That's what I'm saying, on legit, yeah, well known, but on opposite sides of that. I think as far as the Crippin' Blood thing, yeah. I think we were the first artists on the West Coast and just nationwide who was affiliated, who started beefing.

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Yeah. Niggas was beefing and niggas was getting hurt. Somebody got killed. Yeah, I heard that. It was treacherous. How did y'all squash it? Snoop. Let's get the good side of this. Snoop

called it in. They were doing a show on BET. I think Tavis Smiley. Yeah, Tavis Smiley. I saw the interview. You and Quick together. Snoop asked me to go. And then he told me Quick was going to be there. And he asked me would I show up.

And I said, yeah, fuck it. I don't give a fuck. Oh, y'all didn't see each other prior to that, Tavis? No. Holy shit. Shout out to Snoop. Oh. Because I just watched that Tavis Smiley interview. So you telling me.

The first time you and Quick saw each other. That was our first time ever meeting face to face. What the fuck? Period. Out of all the beefs, out of all the shit talking, we'd never. But y'all seen each other at the source though. We seen each other at the source. But y'all were so professional in that interview, I thought y'all had to talk. At that time, I was like, man, you know, I'm going on my third, fourth album.

You know, the minute shit was coming up. You know, I had moved out of Compton. You know, I'm trying to be not so much gang invested as far as my reputation and where I'm from. And like I said, man, I ain't, nigga, it's hip-hop shit, man. Like, beyond the hip-hop and dissing records, like, nigga, I don't really got no beef with this nigga. I don't even know him. Like, I know nothing. Like, okay, there's some bloods, but the homie I know around here is a blood homie of mine.

So, I guess, you know, he figured it out. I figured I was just like, man. You ain't the rappers, dude. It's the homies that get involved. I was just like, yeah. So like I said, shout out to Snoop. Snoop was like, hey, man, you know, because it was getting treacherous. You get me?

Niggas talking about going by mom's houses and shooting up houses and, you know, niggas in the streets going through neighborhoods looking for niggas and all that shit. It could have turned out way worse than it was. And, you know, just niggas just had the sense to grow up, I guess. You feel me? That's dope. Yeah, man. That's dope.

Yeah, I ain't going to lie to you. That was probably one of, and I'm going to say this, me being an East Coast dude, that's probably one of the dopest moments in hip-hop to see y'all come together and make it right. That's true. Now, we hang out. I mean, shit, I'll see Quick. We do shows together. We show up together.

Y'all make music already together? Yeah. I was on their last project, Him and Problem, on the Rosecrans album. I'm on two songs on that record. That's dope. Actually, I got a beat from them right now. They trying to get me on a new record. That's dope.

Me and Quicks see each other. We smoke. We hook second to none. We good. We cool as a fam. And what's crazy about it is how it all started was a misunderstanding that's it and i just want to i just want you to say this for the young people do you regret not just calling him and just saying once he he he thought you was dissing

him and you just said yo bro i i didn I mean, we probably could have chopped it up because it was, you know, if if somebody, you know, had that connection, if Mike T had the connection was like, hey, let's call him up. And she was cracking or is it just some, you know, because he's said, you know, misunderstandings is what caused this shit. And so. Did he sorry, did he explain to you that record that you heard the one that he's dissing everybody no i've never needed an explanation for it i looked at it as again hip-hop niggas asked me about dissing and shit i mean i think it'd be a good hip-hop conversation i feel like it was hip-hop and when niggas say how do you feel about the song and And when he got up on stage,

I said, nigga, that shit was classic. Right. It was good hip-hop shit. Right. It was good, you know, banter. That's what we did in here. That's what hip-hop is.

I've been listening to hip-hop for a long time. Niggas went at each other. You get me? How did J. Cole and Kendrick shit start? Like, niggas just diss each other. It's what niggas do in hip-hop. What do you feel about J. cole and kendrick start like just diss each other it's what niggas do in hip-hop what do you feel about j cole and ken

compton On that note, let's go on to Underdog Fantasy. Drink Champs Dome. Don't forget to download the Underdog Fantasy app. What's it called? Drink Champs. That's right. That's right, y'all. We are doing a great job, too.

I know we're doing a lot of basketball, but it's playoffs, so we got to keep it lit. Playoffs time. Play into the summer. I just want to throw it out there. Miami is in what game, y'all? No, we eliminated. Oh, okay. Damn, we eliminated.

We in DR. We in Puerto Rico. All right, let's go. Underdog Fantasy. We doing game four of round two. Underdog Fantasy, sports champs. Jalen Brunson, 8.5 first quarter, higher or lower? Higher! That's it

Take the subject You gotta go with that energy We went higher That's it As a total 35.5 Higher Higher or lower

Higher As assists 8.5 Assists Higher or lower I want to say lower Only because I don't want you to pass the ball

Alright No he's right I don't know I don't agree with it I don't want you to pass the ball Listen Brunson In case you don't want you to pass the ball. No, he's right on all of it. I agree with everything. I don't want you to pass the ball. Listen, Brunson, in case you don't know, a lot of times you the man and you don't know you the man.

So people don't come up to you and say, yo, you the man. First time I went platinum, no one came up to me and said, I'm the man. I had to come up to myself and say, you the man. So, Brunson, I'm looking at you I had to come up to myself and say, you're the man. So, Brunson, I'm looking at you face-to-face, man-to-man, ah-to-ah. You're the man. You're the man. Don't pass that rocks, man. Don't pass that rocks, man.

Go nuts! Go nuts! Now we're going right over to his teammate, Josh Hart. The heart of the city. That's my man with the braids. Light-skinned nigga with the braids. Four points.

First quarter, higher or lower? Higher, motherfucker! You said four points? I was going to say 4.0, but four points. Higher! There's nothing to talk about. You know he's on fire. We got to ride higher.

This last one for Josh Hart and the Knicks. Game four, 33.5. The combination, points, rebounds, and assists. 33.5, higher or lower? Higher! We're not going lower on nothing today. We didn't reply to the Knicks. We're not going lower.

And guess what? I've been corrected. They are playing in Indiana. Nigga, we're going to go see Reggie Miller crib. So, Tyrese Halliburton. Tyrese Halliburton, 4.5 points in the first quarter. He's not the Knicks, right? No, Indiana.

Yeah, fuck him. We're going lower. We're not even playing. Okay, 17.5 points. Higher or lower? Higher. Lower. I have to go higher On that one

Tyrese I'm still with Tyrese Yeah Now Pascal Siakam I don't like him Four points In the first quarter Higher or lower

Let's go lower Let's go lower Definitely going higher Let's go lower We don't fuck with Indiana at all Fuck them Fuck Reggie Miller

All we do in Indiana is finger pop. That's it. Assists. Assists. Nine. 3.5 assists in the whole game. Who? Pascal.

Higher or lower? In the whole game. Higher. That's it. That's what underdogs out there. Higher for sure. Last one. The last pick for game four.

Knicks at Pacers. We're going to stick with Pascal on a combination pick. Fuck, Pascal. 31.5. He's lower. He's lower. Lower. Lower.

Higher. You ready to go on style? Higher. You're depending on the higher. The next game, the Nuggets at Timberwolves. Wow. This is a good game. And lost game one.

Yeah. And they're playing in Minnesota. This is a good game. And lost game one. Yeah. And they're playing in Minnesota. This is the Minnesota game. That kid, Andrea, was just taking over. That's the changing of the card. He's doing the man. He's the man. He's doing it.

So let's jump right into it. Get into it. Nikola Djokic, 8.5 points in the first quarter. Higher or lower? He's the big man. He's the back-to-back MVP of the NBA. Lower. I'll say higher.

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Use the code DRINKCHAMPS. Drink or chat up to $100. And get matched up to $ $100 under deposit. Do me this favor. Can we start from the beginning of the making of CMW? Is there a group or anything before CMW? Do you see he got your tapes? I have more than this, but I have it.

He got consistent. That's interesting. when we formed uh when we formed cmw it was me it was chill it was a uh dj named antsy and then slip was doing the before we even did anything, uh, we switched up DJs, um, because, uh, Mike T, who I had met,

he was like more skilled. Right. You get me? He could transform. He could do all of that. So we went with Mike T with all the scratching and then, uh, chill, uh, went to jail so that's why the first album you only

hear half of chill on the record um i had to finish all the record because he had when i think we had got through like maybe four or five songs and then so i had to finish the rest of the record and then on the second album which was still CMW same situation but he didn't get to get on any songs there so about time music to drive by rolled around Sony was like we done with that shit so after I did turn to music to drive by everything went to MC8 Oh so that They made the decision The label They was like

We're not promoting That's why it's saying featuring Yes That's why it started going From CMW To MC8 featuring Cause they wanted to just Call that record MC8

And I said no Cause I still wanted to include CMW I wrote all I did I wrote all the raps. Wow. Yeah.

For the whole group? Yeah. Oh, okay. So you were like the Ice Cube. Yeah, I wrote all the raps in the beginning. Not saying what they did after we parted, but all of the material up until then, I wrote everything. It was because their raps wasn't making a cut? No, I just wrote.

I just wrote. And I would write, what? We had standards back then. We wrote, what, four verses on fucking songs? Right, right, right. So I just split the verses up. I would write four verses, and then I would go, okay, I'm going to write, I'm going to rap these two,

and then you rap these two. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let's make some noise for that guy. Let's go. Let's go let's go that's crazy

when I researched you and I kept seeing that I was like that was crazy but let's talk about Death Wish I know we spoke about it earlier but let's talk about it right now Death Wish was two part I had I think three parts to Death Wish Deaf Wish was two-parter.

I had, I think, three parts to Deaf Wish. Three parts? Yeah. I did, it was two because the first Deaf Wish wasn't originally aimed that quick.

Right, okay. But once we did the second record and then Music to Drive by all the Deaf Wishes, it was like my my little thing to do you get me i wasn't gonna make up different songs or whatever so i just kept the death wish moniker and that was used as our retaliation to quick songs when we were doing wow

wow yeah cool now oh Oh yeah, definitely. I love that shit. Definitely. Definitely. I mean shit, we all in this shit, man. And hip hop got a bad enough rap trying to get to where we are today. You get me? They wouldn't play songs.

They wouldn't play videos. You get me? Yes, yes. it was hard man and so they were scared enough of us so to have two niggas claiming gangs beefing with each other man it wasn't gonna turn out good you get me it wasn't gonna do nothing but probably destroy our careers or somebody end up dead misfortunate you? Yeah, somebody could have got clipped off for real. Yeah, I was getting, it seemed crazy for me. Gang shit was, like I said, it was real. And at that time, you know, niggas with a little money

and a little, you know, representation, man, niggas was feeling like powerful, man. So, nigga, I'm riding around with Desert Eagles and shit, and you know, but it was just, just have the gang shit on top of that, you know? You're beefing with a nigga in the street over some rap shit,

but then you don't know how the outside motherfuckers gonna take that. You gonna have other blood niggas now? Like, nigga, fuck that. You dissing the blood, homie. God damn right. So shit. It spread.

It was spreading, man. Like I said, once it got to that point where niggas got to talking about houses and shit and we know where people stay and all of that, it happened.

Like I said, Fortunate Snoop was, you know, there to just, maybe you niggas need to sit down and shit and see what's happening. 357 Desert Eagle

or 444 Desert Eagle? That's 357. I'm gonna be honest. That shit, when I watched it, you know, watched you in quick defense, I knew y'all wasn't playing. Like, it was nothing about any of y'all wasn't playing Like it was nothing about Any of y'all video It was my We could have minused the hip hop Because like I said

You still had the fact that I was claiming Crip And he was claiming Blood That was enough And both from Compton Yeah Like that was That was just beef

That was just It's not like it's the biggest town in the world No that was just the beef Just period Right When you bang You use a Crip or Blood That was just beef. It's not like it's the biggest town in the world. No, that was just the beef, just period. Right. When you bang, you use a cripple blood, and you get the repercussions of that. You said earlier, your neighborhoods didn't even have beef. It wasn't necessarily.

But then it had beef after that. And it's crazy because I know a lot of treetops right now. Cool as a motherfucker. And that's the blood set? Yeah. Okay. A lot of treetops. It's cool. My nigga, Rest in Peace, Slim 400, was cool as a motherfucker. And that's the blood set? Yeah. Okay. A lot of treetops. It's cool.

My nigga, rest in peace, Slim 400, was cool as a fan. Fucked with a lot of my people from the neighborhood. Wow. My nigga, Kedaroo, right now with his podcast. He from treetop. YG. A lot of niggas is cool. You got to get past that shit.

YG the rapper? Yeah, he's from treetop. And that's Quick? That's where Quick is from. Yeah, that's from Treetop. And that's, I'm quick. That's what quick is from. Yeah. That's what Slim 400 was from. A lot of them, so. Yeah, rest in peace, Slim 400.

Rest in peace, Slim 400. Like I said, we learned to grow up. Like I said, I'm cool with a lot of motherfuckers now. And it ain't even about where you from or what color you, whatever. I'm older nigga now. You got to respect that. I don't give a fuck where you from, really. You got to respect that.

If you respect me, I can respect you. And I don't care what rag you want to put in your pocket or... Do you talk to younger guys? Do you have a chance to go... I have a chance, yeah. Yeah, I got a son that's 19, so, you know... Play football. Yes.

I read somewhere that you won't even take a show unless they get you back at 10 o'clock in the morning. He mentioned it. We had him on Fatherhoods, and he talked about it. I started... It's a drink chance,clock. He mentioned it. We had him on Fatherhoods and he talked about it. I started... It's a drink chance. I started motherfucking coaching football. You know,

my son, five years old. Give him another interest. You know, I didn't want him to... You know, a lot of our kids want to...

I want to rap. I want to produce and that shit. I didn't want him to get into that. So I wanted to give him another opportunity to find his own lane. So I started coaching football, you know,

to give him something else that we could do together. And he's in college right now. He watch Menace? Because I heard that you had a show. I heard you had a show. And it was their championship game or something like that? Right, I was in Europe and I flew all the way back

just to be at the championship game. That's some hard shit. Shout out my nigga Kendrick. Now that's some hard shit. I turned down to be in the All Right video because my son had a game. The Kendrick joint. And Kendrick called me all night night he called me the next morning and i couldn't i couldn't get away from the game so i i missed

the opportunity because we had just did mad city and that came out crazy and then uh on the next project he was on the next project and the video, I think Terry Crews is in it. He wanted me to be in that video. That's who's going to play your life story, Terry Crews. Killed that, all right? That's definitely official.

How did that homage feel, the Mad City homage that he paid to you and then you being on the record? I thought it was, I thought, you know, they could have fucked with anybody. But a lot of niggas from Compton rapped. You get me? And it was creative.

It wasn't just like a straight taking the record and then having you. It was creative the way it came in. Actually, my son's, you know, sister, she knew a bunch of them. And so she actually told her mom, hey, this guy Kendrick wants to do a song. Honestly, I didn't even know him at the time. No. Wow. You didn't even know he was signing Aftermath?

No. He had put out the Section 80 album. Right. He was touring with J-Rock at the time. Right. J- he was signing Aftermath. No, he had put out the Section 80 album. Right. He was touring with J-Rock at the time. Right. J-Rock was on Strange Music. She called me and was like, this cat named... You know.

She said, this cat named Kendrick wants to get you on a song. And I said, who? She was like, Kendrick. You know, this young cat, whatever. And I said, yeah, okay. So I gave her, I told her to give him my number. And I didn't think nothing about it. Two weeks later, he called me.

And he said, hey, I'm at the studio today. Can you come through? And that's when we went to the spot in Carson. Oh, is that right? Carson City? No, it was in Carson City, you know, around Compton. It was a house? You was at the house?

Yeah. We went to the house over there and he came outside. We went in. He told me the concept of the record. So,

he told me, you know, he told me what he wanted me to do on the intro and all of that shit. And then he played me the beat. When I heard the beat, I was like,

this motherfucker gonna beat. It was that bird in the hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah., I was like, oh, this motherfucker's going to beat. It was that bird in the hand. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, man, that motherfucker was hard. So he is really like, I'm going to send you the beat, and then you come up with it. Because that's something about me. If a nigga want to get me on the song, I want to know what he want to talk about. I ask a nigga in a minute, what's the concept?

Okay, what are we talking about? I want to get on the song, I ask a nigga in a minute, what's the concept? Okay, what we talking about? I want to get on a song and you talking about bitches and shit and I'm talking about driving around a nigga block or some shit. A lot of niggas, a lot of niggas do that shit today.

You know, the nigga be like, yeah, I want to get you on a song and I be like, okay, cool. What we talking about? The nigga be like, oh, just do what you do.

I'm like, nigga, what is that? I can do a thousand things do so but he told straight up I want you to say this I want you to talk about Alondra I want you to do this blah blah blah right here at this part can you do this and we're gonna break down the intro I want you to just... That's dope. He knew it all. I came in that motherfucker like, damn. Not too many people do that. No, no, a lot. Not many at all. A lot of niggas just go, like, I'm going to send you the beat.

Send you the record, yeah. And he's a student of the game. You can tell. Kendrick is a student of the game. Exactly. So he sat there, listened to my verse, and then I'm like, okay, cool. He's like, oh, can you do this part over? I was like, yeah, fucking cool.

And I'm like, I'm going to walk out the booth, and he's like, okay, now can you do this? And can you do that? I'm like, this motherfucker. I'm like, yeah, directing the nigga to do shit, but he was cool as fuck. So I didn't mind. It came out the way it came out. It was tight as fuck. Yes, indeed.

Holy moly. That sound like that says yeah he's very like nobody i know what i want i'm like i know the direction of my when you do that track with the outlaws the outlaws when you do that track with the outlaws and was you in the studio with um with um fatal i try to go to the piece of i was in the studio with Fatal? I tried to go to... Rest in peace to Fatal. I was in the studio with Fatal. Okay, rest in peace to Fatal. Yeah, definitely. Some more cats. Like, certain niggas I fuck with,

I give them that personal. Like, don't send me the track. If you want to go in the studio, we can get in the studio. I try to give that to niggas, you know what I'm saying, without niggas... But, you know,

I'm a true hip-hop, and MC is first. What's your relationship with J Prince? I don't really have one. I'm really cool with Scarface. Scarface. I talk to face like shit at least once a month. So when you went to Gangsta Rap Summit, it was through face.

Actually, that was through the through the label. OK. OK. I think Prince and them called the labels and certain artists they wanted to come. Okay, okay. And that's how we got there. Some historic moments and shit in hip-hop I've been able to be a part of. And, you know, like I said, from what I've been through with all the beefing and the other shit, whatever,

like the gang shit affiliated and claiming the neighborhood and all that we had to go through. It's what got us to this point today. So I don't change nothing, man. I don't change nothing. Something I always wanted to ask. Wu-Tang comes out. MC8 in a Wu-Tang fucking video.

Wu-Tang was my people's. In Staten Island. I watched this video. I was like, how the fuck does this make sense? Yeah. How did you have

affiliation with Wu-Tang? I'm looking like... That was through O'Dirty and Meth. Wow. But you worked with O'Dirty. Yeah. Yes, put us on.

O'Dirty and Meth. They were shooting a with Old Dirty? Yeah. Yes, put us on. Old Dirty and Meth, they were shooting a video. They were getting ready to shoot it. I feel like there was Angel Dust involved. Yeah, it might have been. It might have been. I just feel like... How'd you know that?

I don't know. I just know Angel Dust. I got it. He's a journalist now. No, I just felt it. I felt it. I felt it. I felt it. I have no inside information.

And I didn't even know them at this point. And they're not blown up. They're not blown up. What video is it? Can I be all so simple? Wow, that's early. He's in Staten Island. How did I not notice this?

I'm in the car. I'm standing out in front of the little shit with meth, and then I'm in the car with him. At the end of the video. Only thing I can affiliate is that's dust. Yeah. What is dust? Them niggas there? I think I was off of fucking.

They smoke dust. It's dust. I was off of menace. I was off of menace. I did once with a girl. I just did menace and just dropped music to drive by. And they called me up. And they was like, man, can you come to New York and be in Wu-Tang video?

And I was like, Wu-Tang? And I think they sent me their record. And I was like, oh, this motherfucker. Hard like a motherfucker. I like how you say hard. I jumped on the plane and went straight to Staten Island. We was hanging out,

chilling. Raekwon, Ghost. It was all love. That's dope. I was out there for a few hours. Niggas wasn't doing nothing but standing around getting high.

That was just like comedy. That's it, man. It was there. That was love. You was not uncomfortable. And then after that, I got real cool with Old Dirty. So that's how I jumped on the song with him. And you did it. That's it, man. It was there. That was lovely. You was not uncomfortable. And then after that, I got real cool with O'Dirty. So that's how I jumped on the song with him.

And you did it. Yeah, I did the Shimmy Shimmy remix with him. Yeah. He's the best guy. Rest in peace to O'Dirty. Yeah, O'Dirty. All day. This shot is for Gangsta Motherfucking Chronicles.

All day. Y'all doing your motherfucking thing. Y'all doing y'all motherfucking thing Y'all doing y'all thing Salud Me and EFN don't Mind If we have to go To wherever y'all film at

We need to support other Podcasts We love y'all We respect y'all Hold on let me give you Cut me off I'll see you. You know, I'm professional. I understand what's going on here.

We've been trying to get y'all flowers for real. We've been talking for a long time. I really, really love Gangsta Chronicles. What y'all doing and how y'all highlighting y'all culture. I love it I love it I did like I did like

the gang investigator I did like the one that I'm sorry I know oh no there's a loop for that

there's a loop for that there's a loop for that because I didn't know I didn't know what the fuck he was He was a gang of it Or he was an analyst

Yeah cause I follow him He was like a dude Who went to Went to neighborhoods And then interviewed You know Yeah And I'm not mad at that shit

Because I thought To bring all the motherfuckers on So that means I'm a smart motherfucker Yeah you are So I would never Dish them man Because I really feel like

That at one time we could have had something really great man we was doing some shit right you had the gang members and the gang analyst yeah exactly

and what happened was though man sometimes some shit just ain't meant to be some people can't handle that power nor I respect that

some people can't handle that man so you said it just now I actually thought he was like an expert like you know how I respect that. Some people can't have that, man. So you said it just now. I actually thought he was like an expert. Like, you know how Steve on Jerry Springer used to be? He was just the person that's... That's right. Man, oh.

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That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. That's all. You know what's happening? We know about Steve. We know about Steve. Yeah, yeah.

You know Steve? Steve got his own show. Steve is balling right now. He got his own show. That's what I thought he was. Yeah, you know what's happening right now, man? I had a brother hit me the other day, man. Shout out to my boy, Bandana the Rag, right?

He hit me, and he was telling me some shit about him, right? What's happening, there's a lot of videos that's coming out right now a lot of guys catching cases and shit like that man so it's a whole bunch of little messy shit going on man to where it's like i'm glad i'm not involved now you feel what i'm saying everything like like i said i'm a real spiritual person man i think god sometimes man determines our, man, determines our destiny. Certain shit might happen at that time. You might be tripping, but then something

that'll happen later on, you're like, damn. You understand it later. It's just like me and A, we had our biggest year last year, man. You know, a lot of people don't understand

what podcasting... Tell them. You make your bread with the audio, man. That's right. You make some good bread with the audio, right? Talk that talk. And me, we being something like that. audio, man. That's right. You can make some good bread with the audio, right? Talk that talk.

We being something like 19 million dollars. It was like a crazy amount of downloads last year. And I said, damn, we fucked around and got bigger, dog. Man, that's the real shit. You feel what I'm saying? So you have to always keep scaling, man, and keep reinventing this shit. And be consistent, because that's the thing

in the podcast game. You got to be consistent. We got to drink to that. Yeah. You're going to drink to that. We got to drink to that. You know this thing. You know this thing.

That motherfucking bottle was full when I told him to take it. We got to drink to that. That motherfucking empty. It's a motherfucking right there. Come on. It's a drink. Come on. We got to drink to that.

We got to drink to that. We got to drink to that. We got to drink to that. Come on, man. We got to drink. We got to drink to that We got to drink right there, man. We got to drink. We got to drink right there. Let's talk Killer Holiday. Man, you know about that movie?

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You gotta have that. Man. We just act drunk. Yeah, I said, nigga, I'm gonna dig up some shit that your ass gonna sit up and be like, how you know about that shit?

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That's all right. Nori, make sure he don't get cheated because he'll look at you and drink your shit. That's right. He always say, look at me. Where the keys at?

And these are all my own. What, he driving? Yeah, where the keys at? He ain't driving. He ain't driving. Where the keys at? And these are all the shots I took just so you know.

If you want to, like, you can smell them. You make sure I'm good. I don't know. He good. You're passing the keys now, right? Cuz I'ma tell y'all If you're the Drink Champs Network started at that time, we'd be signing with y'all. Because y'all niggas said our name.

I ain't going to lie to you. I'm going to be honest with you because I know this. I was watching. I'm the nigga. He be talking. I'm the nigga that watched Gangsta Chronicles from the beginning. And y'all shit was so good. I'm being honest.

Let me just be honest. Because it's me when you was on. Yeah. DMs. Yeah. Together talking. Y'all shit was so good, and when y'all finally got it together,

I didn't even want to play with y'all. I was like, because I knew being here, Finn, and having it together, like me and him, like three days ago, got it together,

and was like, this is how we're going to do it. Yeah, if we would have had it together, a lot of people would have been coming to our network. You would not have been no black effect.

By the way, who is my man? It's my brother, Charlemagne. But y'all would have been with us because I was watching y'all and I was like, this is crazy.

Y'all just, and by the way, I knew this for years that California artists don't even have to promote to the world. All you have to promote to is California. I'm just being modest with that. Oh, that's crazy.

This is what podcasts, the algorithms has shown. You don't even need to do... Like Texas artists, wherever you at out there... Yeah, Texas is another market that self-sufficient... Fuck the world. Right. Promote to Texas.

Right. Talk about boots. Right. Talk about holding fucking AKs and walking to McDonald's. Don't do that, guys. No.

Don't do that part. No, no. But California California Let me just tell you something I study algorithms California Does not have to Promote to anybody else But California I'm telling you

The world is already Gravitating to California So all you got to do is already gravitating to California. Oh, shit. So all you got to do is just talk to your people. And you win. And you win. And you win.

And it's beautiful that me and EFN. That's hard, you know. We only talk to our audience. Come on. But his audience, you got to realize, he's born in Cali. In L.A. In L.A. That's real shit. Where he's in Miami. Southgate and L.A. In L.A. Raised in Miami. That's real shit. Raised in Miami.

Southgate and Daphne. Southgate and Daphne. I'm a short nigga. We live in Southgate. My family's Daphne. We only talk to our audience. We don't care. If you're a young nigga and you want to listen to us, we respect you.

We don't give a fuck. Come on. We don't give a fuck if you were two niggas. We got another toast in here. We don't give a fuck if you were tuning in. We got another toast in the ass. Oh, man. I think it might be in the broadcast after this, man. But you understand what I'm saying?

That was some real shitty shit. No, no, no, no, no, no. That was some real shit. I think if you would have said, let's eat hamburgers, you would have taken it. Let's do it. I got this one last.

Yeah, fuck it. Let me get you another, Jamie. That was some real fucking shit he said. I got this last little bit of shit. hamburgers you would have taken what I'm saying is cater to your people like you you don't have to go outside your audience that's always the way Kwon damn near eight years ago when we started it Ray Kwon was dropping an album. And we're at,

we're at a part of Jersey, I don't want to say it because me and him might meet up there tomorrow. So let me not say it. But I said, yo, bro, next time you drop an album,

drop your album on a podcast. And he was like, what? And I was like, drop it, make Ray Kam podcast. And you already, your audience is already built. Drop your album on your podcast.

Don't make it available. Because, you know, this is different between podcasts. When you choose podcasts, you have to download an app. You have to start following that people. That means that these people that really listen to you are really with you. Fuck with them back. Yeah. And that's where I want hip hop to kind of go.

Like, it's like Gangsta Chronicles. The person listening to y'all shit, it's because they fuck with y'all. That's what I tell motherfuckers, though. And by the way, I'm one of them niggas. Like, I'm one of them. I wanted to just... You know the time I met you? Long time. He probably remembers.

No, I remember. I was high, too. But it was Johnny Blaze video. Fat Joe in New York and I came with 25 niggas of the worst people that could be around me because that was hard back then

I heard about you listen, listen, let me tell you let me tell you why let me tell you why I knew MCA was just as foul as me I said man what's up what's up, A? What's up, nigga? Hey, look, what's up?

I'm like, yeah, yeah. We in Brooklyn. We filming a video in Brooklyn. I'm like, about to walk around the corner. But I know I got the town. MCA walked around the corner with me. I said, just, nigga. By the way, any other West Coast niggas that were like, go ahead, nigga.

Like, you going to walk around the corner? Brooklyn. That's real shit, ain't it? Do you remember that? I've never been like, we in the hood. We in the hood. Like, you get me? And they ain't going to let you walk by yourself, nigga.

I'm with it. Shit, let's go. I had 25 people who would be. It don't matter. Shit, I'm sitting. I'm a football affiliation there, too. Dig it, shit. I was like, damn, bro.

Man, you know who told me about you, though, dog? Jill. It's about y'all. I'm not going to put a mark there, but homie Doggy Diners. That's my guy. Shout out to Doggy Diners. Shout out to Doggy Diners. Shout out to Doggy Diners. He told me one time, he said, man, this nigga Poppy, man, he a fucking rounder.

You know, not to be saying too much, you know what I'm saying? He was just like, you know. Not to say too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Allegedly. You said it earlier. You mean he knows karate? Yo, yo.

Yo, yo. That was him trying to throw gang sides like that. No? Yo, yo. Yo, yo. He tried. He tried. Yo, yo. He tried. He tried. That was him trying to throw a gang sign like that. Yo, when Zeno finished that bottle, that's it. No, no, no. He was trying to do that, though. They were trying. Yeah, he was trying to throw a gang sign like that, Peter. That's all.

Don't go keep bringing me drinks. I be thinking I'm finished when there be one more over here. No, that's real shit. Bobby, let's go. I know I said it earlier, but God is a funny nigga, because I'm trying to get dressed today. Like that? Everything.

Everything in my closet is blue. I was like, this thing is. He told me. He just told me before we started. He said he tried hard not to come at all. I was like, I don't want to come. And by the way, it was hard blue. It was like, you would have been like this to me.

And I was like, this is not. I did the same shit. What I'm looking, I'm like, I got some shit that looks like a quick rag and shit. And I was like, I ain't going to do them like that, man. I said, I ain't going to do them. You a humble good nigga, my nigga. You a humble good dude, bro. That's right.'t do you a humble good nigga my nigga you a humble good dude bro let me say

something real quick though same piggybacking off of the humbleness I went to this conference in Palm Springs

it was like it was a weird conference I don't remember the name of the conference they had like a gospel part

of it and then it turned into an independent gangster what was that the radio conference that they had like a gospel part of it and then it turned into an independent gangster. What was the radio conference that they had? Yeah, it was something.

I just remember, I know for sure I saw you, who your tribe was there. It was like, I was there. Who your tribe was? That shit used to crack. Oh, shit.

It was dope, but one thing I remember I was telling people because it was at the same time that like, I don't call it backpack rap, but that's what we called it. The backpack rap was,

the indie rapper was coming up. Right. And I was doing a lot of promo stuff for a lot of labels, and I worked like Rockus and all these people. And I remember I'm at this conference, and I'm meeting the hardest artists. I mean, these are the gangsters of the gangster.

The most humble artists that I ever met. Then I meet the most conscious of the conscious working the label stuff. They're the biggest assholes. They trying to be hardcore. And I'm like, yo, what the fuck? It made me realize it. Because they think they have to be that. That's what I'm saying.

It made me realize it. They think they have to be that. Because let me tell you, when I ran into Booyah, I've always known. I've heard stories. Booyah is real. Real ass dudes was in booyah tribe oh no yeah you know what i'm saying real official so to the booyah and so so it's just it i don't know if it's the era that created that type of artist or what happened but it's just something happened there was a disconnect where these conscious artists felt inclined to try to be like a hardcore street person they wasn't really that and then you had the people who lived it and really you know was

about that actually acting like conscious artists when you met them you know i'm saying yeah we when you grow up in the neighborhood man you you get to um i guess when you get to put yourself in different predicaments that you wouldn't be in and becoming hip-hop and really embracing that takes you to different places right people already think we fucking assholes and we have so we like to show people that we intelligent right even though we had to grow up hard and banging and did all that shit i'm gonna show you i'm an intelligent motherfucker i'm gonna walk up in here and just get to tearing up shit because that's what you think I should do.

Right. You feel me? Man, I'm going to come here, sit down and talk to you like a motherfucking college graduate in civil law because I still got street knowledge, but I still been brought up to be respectful.

Like I said, respect, man. And once you give a nigga respect, man, they know how to deal with that. So when you grow up like that, man, we try to show people like, no, I'm not the asshole that you think I am. Right, right. I'm not what you see on TV. Right.

You get me? You see the image of us on TV and it's just stick them up, kill them up. You kill a motherfucker for stealing your cupcake and shit. That's how they make us on TV. Right. You know what I mean? But it a lot of intel intelligent motherfuckers from the neighborhood i asked you a question earlier about what what age was your son when he first watched menace i just want to know what age was he and what did he say what was his reaction your son had to be just as scared as he was me i love that shit like y' My son really... How old was he when he was?

He was probably about seven or eight. Seven or eight? I didn't think he was going to say that. I didn't... It must have been different when you told him, go to your room after that. My thing was... I didn't want to restrict him from nothing.

Right. You get me? You're going to see shit, and it's going to come a time where you're going to have to make a decision. That's going to be the right decision. You can't go off of what you saw me do. Yeah, you see what I did? Yeah, that's what I did.

Yup, yup. You haven't been to the hood. You see that? You see the niggas I associated with? All that. But you have a different, I didn't have a different, I didn't have an option. I grew up there. You ain't there. You don't have a different, I didn't have an option. I grew up there. You ain't there.

Right. You don't have to follow that shit. And then that's all, you know, so. Yeah, but he sees that movie now, right? When he was seven, then he might not have known it. But as he gets older,

he's watching it. If he watch it now, he probably would think, oh, that was some cool shit you did. Not bigger than cool shit. Like an actor, like he was an actor. Because I thought,

because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because I was like, because bigger than cool shit cause I was like you still had to be bigger than cool cause I thought it was bigger than cool you know what I'm saying he's just now coming into that you know because he used to think it was weird when people would walk up to me and be like oh man

he'd be like why why they want your picture? Why they want your autograph? And I don't know if I had the excitement. Do you realize it though, like how big you are with the movie? I know, I know, I know. I don't like. I don't like. Let's end the show.

Let's end the show. You gotta take the flowers. You gotta take the flowers. And you know why you gotta take them? For real, because that movie has to be, if not the greatest hip-hop street movie of all time, right by Boyz n the Hood. To me, the number one. And you got to take that. Hold on.

Let me make yours make more sense. You make sense. Let me make yours make more sense. You make sense. Let me make it more sense. Seriously, that movie is the reason why East Coast is banging right now. Like, you can go to a neighborhood and see a neighborhood full of creps. In New York. You've seen it all on Menace to Society, though? Yeah, I am.

Come on, now. I didn't understand that. You think that's true? Hold on, hold on. I didn't understand that. I feel like that's true. A hundred percent. I didn't ever, because I was coming to New York

way back when. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We're going to all be quiet. You need to break this down. He is. No, I'm saying, for me and my innocence. I need somebody to break it down to me. Like, what made it so influential?

Can I go second? Okay, but hold on. So. The gang culture in New York. Okay. How did that become? Because y'all. Honestly.

You don't think it was the prison system as well? I think the prison system. You got to see it. You got to see it. Because I was back in them days when it wasn't. I was traveling to New York in the late 80s and early 90s. You was banging that. I was banging.

And guess what? But I was like, everybody was. They liked your shit and then it's true it might be just that simple but I don't think it's just a movie though I think the prison since I think it's the music I think it's the music. I think it's the movies. I think there's definitely influence for sure. I do mean that, but what I'm saying is, nigga, you a legend. This nigga. That's hands down.

Love you. Hands down. I can't stand when, I used to love this when a person, and I heard you say this in the interviews. A person come to me like, you got me through my bed. And I was like, I be like, yeah, but then I feel like this nigga think I owe him. You really felt that way? I'm gonna be like, good looking.

He be like, yeah, you got me through my bed. I forgot I got a letter for you from the pen that came in. I'm crazy now. I get hard facts. Like, I'm in the airport. Fucking Barbara's bar. This nigga come up to me.

Yo, nigga, you got me through my bed. I'm like, that's real shit, though. And I can't let this nigga. It means a lot to him. Yeah, I get that a lot. I'm going to be honest with you. I get that a lot. I knew you'd get it way more than me.

Yeah, I get that a lot. You, you. Nigga, I listen to a lot. I knew you'd get it way more than me. Yeah, I get that a lot. You, you, nigga, I listen to your shit. Everyone here tried to quit walk at one point. And none of us got it right. I, yeah, I get that a lot. Like, nigga, you, nigga, you had us on one. And nigga, I done did plenty dirt behind you. And nigga, you got me through being locked up, nigga.

And I used to listen to your shit. So I get that a lot. You had East Coast niggas wanting to be West Coast. But my thing is, that was my. That's true. That's true. Come on. That was my.

How big is that? I'm one of them. You heard what he just said, though? I'm sorry. I think you're like. You guys got to talk, I'm sorry. My thing was that's what I signed up to do though.

I signed up to connect with niggas who was going through that type of shit. Nigga, you got arrested. I got arrested too. Nigga, you got pulled over for a strap. I did too. That's what I made music for. That's why I never really,

niggas be like, well, why you didn't get your props? Or why you don't think, nigga? I said, I signed up for this shit. I didn't sign up to be a Kendrick or a Drake. Or I signed up to connect with niggas that was doing what I was doing. Those are the niggas that I'm going to be able

to connect with and how niggas is going to feel connection to the music I'm making is by letting a nigga know, oh, I know you struggling, nigga. I'm struggling too. Right.

Oh, nigga, I know you had to sell dope. I did too. Come on. You got pulled over and had to heat under the seat. Nigga, I just went to jail yesterday for that. And my mama, a single mama at home with three kids and struggling and shit like that. I'm just like you, nigga.

So as I started making music, that was the connection for me. You get me? It's niggas in the projects in Brooklyn. And it's niggas You get me? It's niggas in the projects in Brooklyn and it's niggas in Philly. It's niggas in Texas. It's niggas in Chicago. They all live,

they might not be claiming and banging, but I bet you some of them niggas is doing double ups and serving. I bet you some of them niggas is robbing and shit and trying to get ahead.

And a lot of them niggas is going through poverty and shit. So that's what I made music for. And you're that foundation that there is a Kendrick today because you're part of that foundation that helps a Kendrick. I try to include myself in the foundation of hip hop. You get me N.W.A. Easy. C.M.W.

You're the legend. Then look, IWA, Eazy, CMW, 78. Then look, I'm still a... No, no, no. In this case, yes, because... Legends is for niggas like... No, no, no.

I hear you. I hear you. But look at... Old Cowboy. No, no, no. Compton Cowboys. Compton Cowboys. No, for real.

And every sense of the word because you know what? You was there since day one and I didn't even know that. Like, I didn't know how far you went back with Compton Hip Hop. And once I started, because, you know, nobody was like, look, you're going to coach. You got to do research. I'm researching now.

Oh, yeah. I appreciate my. Yeah, man. I appreciate my. I appreciate my. I appreciate the niggas before me. Do you feel me? We don't get a lot of that today,

but I appreciate the niggas who was picking up the mic before me. But then Kendrick did that to you. He appreciated you. Definitely. We get a few. We get a few who want to pay back homage. I always basically bigged up the niggas who came. I never dissed a nigga or disrespected,

whether it was Grandmaster Flash or whether it was the LA Dream Team or Egyptian Lover. They might have not did the music that... Right, but they laid a foundation that we're all on top of right now. The niggas was in there

and I was listening to all that shit. So you got to respect that. I just come from that and that's what I'm appreciated for. You know what I'm feeling? That's it. You need your flowers, bro. You fucking did an amazing movie that should have been award-winning.

Your role was dope. Your music, you didn't come and grab on any old West Coast. As far as West Coast, what they was doing, you kind of made your own lane. Yeah, I tried to put my own lane. You made your own lane, man. I didn't do the traditional Dre and, you know, the parliaments. How hard was that? Let me ask you.

I'm sorry. How hard was that? Because the homie said that earlier. He was like, he's the only person that's not affiliated with Dre. No, I didn't come up under the NWA ladder. That's crazy. That's crazy. And I didn't realize that.

It was, yeah, I didn't... I came up... It was some olive branch, like them helping you out? No. No. I sat up and wrote, and then I hooked up with DJ Slip. DJ Slip was a part of the LA Sound Control,

and they basically used to provide all the music for all the concerts that was going on at the time. So when all the early East Coast niggas was coming over here, Rock M and Run DMC and all them, Slippin' M provided the sounds for the concert. So that's Check It In. He was a... Oh, the music. He was a producer. That's not Check It In at all.

Check It In. Not at all. It's not the same thing. He was a producer And They're playing music In the concert He checked in man

He checked in I'll take that Nuri said he checked in He checked in I'll take that Come on let's take that So we Slip was a

I call him a Digging in the crates producer He didn't go With what was popular Or what niggas was doing Slip would go Dig in the crates And. He didn't go with what was popular or what niggas was doing. Slip or go dig in the crates and find some shit from overseas and take two

seconds of this shit. Chop that shit up and do this and do that and SB12 it this and next thing you know, we got a whole fucking song off of some shit. He was very creative. All for the money sample was the greatest ever. I just want you to know that.

Oh, I found that. You did that? You found that? Yeah. That was Tyrone Davis. Something my mom used to listen to. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. You know, the old folks used to play Bobby Blue Bland and all that old type of shit.

So that's where I got that old sound from. That shit was crazy, bro. I wanted to stick Bobby Blue Bland and all that old type of shit. So that's why I got that old sound. That shit was crazy, bro. I wanted to stick with that shit. So I didn't want to be traditional. You get me? And then Slip was the type of nigga, if you bought him something that 10 niggas already sampled, he'd be like, nah, we're not using that. Right. Because a lot of niggas, we was doing a lot of that back then, too.

We was all using the same samples and shit back then. Right, same drums, same everything, right. But Slip would be like, nah, we're going to create stuff. Slip used a lot of that back then, too. We was all using the same samples and shit back then. Same everything, right. But Slip would be like, nah, we going to create stuff. Slip used a lot of breakbeats. He impeached the president, and then he'll come half with impeach the president. He likes to cut up and hide a lot of shit. So that's why we were able to not follow that Dr. Dre, you know that path of Arlen

did you want to be from him did you want to be from Dre like did you would you have liked to work I'd never no I was satisfied with Slip one thing you gotta understand

man is that above the law Dre got a lot of shit from above the law I love above the law I'm not saying that Dre wasn't great you saying influenced by above the law influenced by above the law. I love above the law. I'm not saying that Drake wasn't great. You're saying influenced by above the law?

Living Like Hustlers is a five-mic album now. That was by above the law. Really? You know them Willie Huggins like little nephews and shit like that, right? Above the law is like... Wow. Living Like Hustlers is a five-mic album. I just want to say that album was great.

Oh, come on. Above the law is legendary. Man. Warren and Nate, dog. Then we're going to fight again. Warren and Nate, dog. That's another thing. Before Dr. Drake got Snoop and them,

they was with the Bud and Mark. Who? The two and three? That shit is all. Yeah, two and three was with the Bud and Mark. And they gonna need another Bob and Nate. Yeah. Y'all was at the top.

You got your mics? You got your mics? You deserve it. Did you ever get two and three with the Bud and Mark? You got two covers. We have a 17. I got, uh, I actually got, uh, four. I actually got four mics.

Four mics. Yeah, for We Come Strapped. I got four mics. Probably should have got four and a half. I'm wanting four. I actually got four mics. Four mics. Yeah, for We Come Strapped. I got four mics. You probably should have got four and a half. I wanted four and a half. Let's talk about that. Hold on, hold on. I should have had five because I was...

I was the first album to ever get double sticker. If I would have rated it, I would have gave it a five. I would have double sticker. If I would have rated yours, I would have gave it a five. I would have double sticker. If I would have rated yours, I would have gave it a five. I mean, you can do whatever you want. I would have gave it a six. I would have given it a six. For me, I would have given it a six.

I'm giving it a three. Of all of the years from giving them threes and three and a halves, to get that four, nigga, I was satisfied. I was like, oh, shit, nigga. That four, nigga. That four, nigga. You see that three and a half, you be like, ah. Listen, but who would have known? All you had to do was call Zeno. He would have hooked it up. First of all, not too many nigga, that four, nigga. You see that three and a half, he be like, ah. Listen, but who would've known?

All you had to do was call Zeno, he would've hooked it up. First of all, not too many niggas get two covers. Let's just establish that. We got two covers. Yeah, they gave me two covers. So this is like, bro, like you really. We did the Scarface, the mean Scarface and Spice. But yeah, those were legit.

Those were legit covers, man. Like he got classic albums. And now, Gangsta Chronicles, if you're a West Coast artist and you on Gangsta Chronicles, that's somewhat of a source cover. Oh, yeah, for sure. Come on now. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, you got that shot.

Oh, my God. That's it. Hold on now. We got it. That's it. We got it. That's the last shot right there. We got it. That's it. Oh, my God. Hold on. Hold on. Let me just say this. Let me just say this. Take another pee-pee. I love... Because you're a West Coast guy. Y'all think...

Just give me two seconds. Listen. Two and a half. Go for it. All right. But in the past couple years, if I wanted to understand anything West Coast, I'd tune into y'all podcast.

Oh, man. that's big love. I watch y'all. I did not know that the guy was not... I thought he was a guest feature, but the fact is, but I follow the guy because L.A. gang life is kind of crazy to me, right? Because it's real

it's the most thing after hip-hop most influence you with it but I watch you guys I watch what you did watch that you guys got our heart radio behind you and Black Effect. Big up to Charlemagne. Big up to Charlemagne. And it would be remorse for us not to big y'all up. Not just what you guys did prior to that, but what you guys are doing right now. Right. Because you guys are legends then, but you guys are legends now. Man, I appreciate that. Legends then, but you guys are legends now.

If you want to be from the West Coast, if you want to be from the hip-hop and just be co-signed, you got to go to Gangsta Chronicles. There you go, Slime. Come on. You got to go to Gangsta Chronicles. Yeah, I take that. Let's go. My shot is there. Yo, shit. My bad. I forgot you ain't drinking. Make sure. Yes, hosts and executive producers, NORE and DJEFN.

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