Drink Champs - Episode 412 w/ Common & Pete Rock

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legends Common and Pete Rock! These two legends don’t need an introduction but Common & Pete Rock sit down and share their journey.  Common & Pete Rock shares stories of creating their new album “The Auditorium Vol. 1.”.  The guys talk about battles in hip hop, landing movie roles and much much more! Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Make some noise for Common & Pete Rock!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code DRINKCHAMPS and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-drink-champs *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Both of these brothers are legends, icons, tycoons. Super history with them. But on their own, super legends. I can't believe they got together and did a whole full-fledged album together. I got the link. I might bootleg it.

I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. Do you want me to take it to the interview? Because I'm offering this you. We will get straight into the interview because I'm offering this New York Knicks energy. So in case you don't know who the fuck we talking about,

we talking about the one and only Carmen and motherfucking Pete Fowler. Now, I know you're a big New York Knicks fan. You see me on the ground. I see you on the ground. I'm going to be honest. Me and you were there last night. It was so funny because Joe was sitting next to me.

And he goes, yo, you never had Common on the show. And I goes, no. He goes, you know, he's right there. I go, you know, I literally got him tomorrow. He's trying to hook it up. But when I tell you I, as a kid, my dreams were crushed every year as a Knicks fan. Yes. Tell me about it. I hated Reggie Miller.

Never met him. Never met him either. I hated Michael Jordan. Never met him. Never met him. I hated certain things. But yesterday, people was telling me, all right, a friend of mine, his name is Duke Payton. And he's a scoreboard keeper for the NBA.

He works for the whole NBA. So he's neutral. He can't be on this team. He can't be on this team. He doesn't have favorites because he's neutral. He's the scorekeeper. So I called him and I was like, yo, I want to go to Philadelphia to watch the game.

And he never stood this quiet in my life. And he was like, no. Like he literally told me no. He said, you got to go to the garden. Yeah, that's what he said. And you got to feel that energy. So let me just tell y'all how

ill it was. I land. I get in Alventito. Big up to our Dominican brother Alventito who threatened me. Told me if I ever go to Dominican Republic, I'll have him again. He's going to stab me. So we

get on the side of the highway. We come in from the airport and his fucking battery gives out. Do you know? This is how much the city is lit. People pulled over and was like, we got to hurry up because the Knicks game, man. We got to get you the fuck up out of here. You can call me traffic. Yo, that's beautiful. Yo, New York don't have no fucking unity. We are true New York.

We true fans. Yo, yo. We're true fans. I've never, now you got to witness that. That was the reason, that was the reason. Uh-huh. No, I'm from Chicago. That's right, that's a big up shout out.

We know you, we know you shout out. I love New York. Yes. But to see the Knicks fans, the way y'all act, when I see Pete, when I see Joe, I just see people.

I be like, yo, I can't help but be like, yo, and Jalen Brunson from Chicago. So I got a little, because Spike said to me yesterday, what you doing here, brother? I'm like, first of all, I love basketball. He trying to that y'all doing good I see the energy yeah like yo we got a Chicago boy

on y'all team I'm gonna be honest um I've I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here.

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I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I don't know I don't know but yesterday it was a it was a I know I'm off subject but we're going to get to it

let me just tell you something I used to watch people who jogged right and these people that jog all together I used to laugh at these people I used to think

these motherfuckers are idiots like why is everyone jogging together like you idiots right and then I did it one day with a whole bunch of other people. And we jogged. And then you realize, y'all all on the same high.

Yeah. So basically, same thing with the garden. I'm watching it on TV. And I'm like, damn, we all kind of got the same high. But when I got there, OK, now let me give you another story. After they gave us a boost, now you know West Forth. We go through the Highland Tunnel.

I pull by West Forth. I roll down my window for one second. The whole West Forth street was like, get out of here. We're playing one on one. Get out. Get out of here. The whole West Forth.

They don't play over there, bro. And I'm realizing, I'm like, and I'm like, yo, now I got to go. I got to go to the Knicks game? Like, the whole West Coast. They don't play over there, bro. And I'm realizing, I'm like, they're like, and I'm like, yo, no, I got to go. I got to go to the Knicks game. They stopped the whole shit. Hey, look. Let's get to the Knicks game.

Wow. Like, everyone's, yo, this is the first time I seen my city have unity. Yo, I feel you. You can feel the unity, bro. Yeah, I did it the first time. And it's amazing. It's amazing. Like, I ain't going to front.

Like, when we, you know, that was the one thing that happened when the Bulls. Right. Let me mention, too, a lot of the old Knicks, when they saw me looking at me, like, I'm the enemy. I'm like, yo, John Stocks. Look, John Stocks. And I'm like, yo, they thinking about, yo, they thinking the Bulls. They like, ah, this nigga, what you doing? You know, like, I'm like, yo, Starks, what's up, nigga?

But you know, one thing that happened for us, too, and I see it happening in New York, the unity. Man, one thing that, when the Bulls was winning, man, it wasn't no, it wasn't no shooters, crime went down. People, it was a joy around the thing. And that's something that basketball do, music do, you know, sports. Man, I used to love, like, man, you see, there wasn't no gang. There wasn't no, cats weren't gangbanging.

They'd be at home watching. It didn't matter where you was from. You watching the Bulls, and we all was celebrating. And people was making money. Whether you worked at the parking, you know, the parking garages or the bars. It was just like, it just lit the city up. And I see New York doing that

so I can't help but enjoy seeing y'all. Y'all fools, boy. Y'all fools. Let me just tell you something. Me and Fat Joe's on one place. Busta Rhymes is another place. And we doing the same exact thing. Like, we can't help it.

We're like, your inner kid just comes out. So let's get to this. Let's get to this, right? Everyone knows P-Rock. Super phenomenal producer. You, all the accolades in the world.

Like, why did y'all come together at this point to make this album? Yeah, well, Pete Rock is one of the greatest musicians, producers, arrangers. Not just in hip-hop, man. When you create a sound that lasts forever, people respect Miles Davis and Charlie Parker.

Yep. You know, or Earth, Wind & Fire, where they produce music that lasted forever. Yeah. P-Rock has done that. Yep. And it's like, what I noticed about, because during the pandemic, I just started like listening just to 90s hip hop, man. Wow.

I was just, and on my workout list and all that was a lot of-hop, man. Wow. And on my workout list and all that was a lot of P-Rock joints. And I was like, man, this dude is one of our greatest. And all this stuff going on around the cello. We had talked about connecting before, even the 50th celebration. But during the 50th celebration, I was just coming back from filming this silo TV show on apple um you know anyway but uh so then but i was like pete yo this he had been sending me

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Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. This off-home is still alive. I love it. The joy that we felt at that concert, I was like, people still thirst for this feeling. So that's when you got the idea of y'all getting together? We had already started cooking, but it just inspired it more. The idea was just like, man, I want to make some music that I really love and it're just speaking to me because after listening to so much of what I was listening to,

I was like, man, this music is still existing in us. It's not gone. And we can do something new. When you hear the music, it's like we ain't do nothing that's like throwback. It's just got the spirit of what that music is like. It's hip-hop. It's a real collaboration between you guys.

And it's new. It's hip-hop and it's new. And I can tell most of it, y'all was together. Yeah. I can tell. It doesn't feel like y'all was emailing. We wanted the aura of the 90s. That's it.

Right. And I'm a new Pete Rock, so I'm doing stuff. But you'll hear some stuff that you'll be like, oh, okay, I remember. You know, it'll give you some memories of what I used to do. But, you know, it's new. You know what I'm saying? It's new music. You know what I'm saying?

So let me ask you, because recently I've seen Nas post on the gram. Yep. And he posted a picture of, I guess he was trying to say Illmatic. And the only person that was missing from the picture was notably. I was late. Oh, yeah. And, you know, in this business, you know what I'm saying? Things like that happen because I be making beats at home and sometimes don't realize the time.

Right, right. And I'm like, that was the issue. I was making beats. And I looked at my watch and I was like, oh, i just got my car and wow wow that's that's why in communication because you know we heard the rumors that you were suing him yeah and yeah that wasn't never happening it was just you know how it is in the business when it's like you know, like, hey, you know, my people, my management noticed this, and I just said, hey, help me get it. That's all.

That's all it was. You know what I'm saying? That's beautiful. But the media makes it something else. That's some of the most beautiful music ever. Let me just say something. I was hurt when I heard it because let me just tell you something. When I heard Ill Madden, I was in jail.

I was a child in jail. But that was like reading a Donald Gowans book to me. It was almost better than reading a Donald Gowans book because I knew what he was talking about. And I could smell the alleys. I could smell the world is yours. I could smell how you made it. I could smell how. So I never went.

And you didn't know Nas yet. I didn't know Nas. Yeah, you didn't. Yeah, I didn't know him. So that's crazy. I saw him, but he wasn't not. Actually, Akineli was the bigger figure at this time. I remember. So it was Akineli and Nas running together.

Large pro. Large pro. We used to have something called Brooklyn Queens Day. And I remember Akineli brought him out. Then I got locked up. Then I heard this album called Illmatic, which I couldn't visually see, but I visually saw it because it was the first time I was like, whoa, this is what I want to do. Familiarity. That album, man, I think for any MC

and really any artist, is definitely like one of the greatest pieces of art that the world has seen. I'm using your lighter. Got you, got you. And man, as a writer, I was like, man, I hadn't heard anybody describing things like that. And you being from the bridge, being from Queens, it's like, left right, left right, Queens. You being from Queens.

Right down the block. But y'all knew what Queens was like, bro. But that was one of the things I loved about that album and I loved about just hip hop is like, people could describe where they was from. You could put you in Compton. Exactly. They took you to Compton and then eventually Outkast took you to Atlanta.

You know, Nas took us. He took us. He took us. It's like watching a movie, bro. It's like watching a really good movie. Listening to Illmatic. Yeah, it is. Now, I want to change the subject a little bit because this is the hottest topic in hip-hop.

Yeah. Uh-oh. It's Drake and Kendrick Lamar. But you traded bars with Drake. Yes, sir. At one point. I remember you called him Canada Dry. I was like, I didn't even know you could use a soda to diss somebody.

I was like, holy shit. He was like, you're just Canada Dry could use the soda to do somebody i was like oh he's like you just can't let it dry how is it but yeah so you've been in one of the most classic battles ever too but let's let's let's stick let's stick to nowadays right yeah i didn't see this coming at all. Pause, right? Yeah. Me either. We see J. Cole

release his. Yeah. Then we see Kendrick, and then Kendrick just kept going. Yeah. Gemini. I'm not blaming on Gemini. I'm married to a Gemini.

Hey, man. Gemini. Gemini. Yeah, bro blaming on a Gemini. I'm married to a Gemini. Hey, man. So am I. Gemini. Yeah, bro. Y'all so crazy. I love you. I love you. I love you.

Gemini. Gemini. I'm literally. I'm your favorite. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, I'm going to be honest. And I know I'm being a little elongated. I remember us having to like almost, I don't want to say convince Nas,

but we was like, got a lot of cars, a little jewelry, but none of that thing is getting full with me. We was like, man, he talking about you. And it took Nas a while, right? To like actually,

in my humble opinion. But with Kendrick and Drake, it was almost like the gang put them together, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to say brown skin and light skin because that's so cliche. Yeah. It's so simplistic.

But these are the two top heavyweights of the new generation. Yes, sir. And it started before they were the top. Yep. Because it started like 10 years ago. Did you enjoy this? Both of y'all. I'm team Kendrick all day.

Nothing against Drake. I just feel his energy, that Gemini shit, man. Listen, Gemini Gang is here. He Gemini Gang. I love Gemini. Yo, it's some cold Gemini music. Right. K.

Biggie. Biggie. Lauren Hill, Andre 3000, CeeLo, P-Rock. I gotta say this though. For me, I always thought Kendrick was just like, in any generation, one of the top. Yeah. Because his albums, man, his albums, he really be doing different styles. He don't do the same thing with his albums. So I always have, you know, just, man, this dude is one of the dopest to me. And then for me, Drake was like, is super talented and know how to make his songs.

Yep. And I give, I honor that. When he want to rhyme, he can rhyme. No, he got that in CNN. He can rhyme. Yep. So when they started the battle, it was like, to me, it was a heavyweight fight. I was like, yo. It was.

It was. And I was like, yo, okay, well, what Kendrick going to say? You know, like, it's kid with. And then Kendrick came back, boom, boom. It was just, to me, it was like one of the, you know, so many battles because we grew up in it. Some, some, Adira to me, one of the best battles hip hop has ever seen. And when you can make a hit record out of a diss track, you got it.

Yo, let me just tell you something. You just literally said what I was about to say. Let me just tell you. It's something about listening to Hot 97 and Hot 97. Excuse me. I know for you motherfuckers that don't know that. It's something about listening

to your home radio station when you're home. Yes. So I landed, me and my wife, and I just say to the car service guy, put on Hot 97. I literally said 97.1. I didn't even say Hot 97. I said a mad white. I was like, keep literally said 97.1 I didn't even say

Hot 97 I said a mad white I was like keep it on 97.1 and he puts the shit on and that's all I hear is the diss records

and I'm like this is in rotation that's good for hip hop yes it is it's very good for hip hop I didn't realize it until I actually heard it like I was like

hold up Drake's shit is in rotation hold up Drake shit is in rotation Kendrick shit is in rotation And they control the roll out Today's different from before Where maybe you needed The radio station To hit

But now they would Drop it on YouTube They would drop it on the DSPs Whatever they want Five minutes after the next one Exactly You eliminate that I actually really

Because you know Like I said I had to I love taking myself Out of hip hop and watching hip hop as a fan. And I got to like, see, I got to hear our ASAP Rocky record. I got to hear a Future record. I got to hear a Drake record. I got to hear a Kendrick record.

And I got to hear it in rotation. And I was just like, holy shit. I wish we could have did that. I would have been dissing niggas a long time ago. But you know what's dope For me like I have My homies would send me

Every new song That was coming out And it'd be Niggas from whatever generation To send me And it was like Damn this is hip hop We all like

Paying attention And Like we were listening We listening to the lyrics Lyric That's what I think is dope about it Casting something about These lyrics man

And for both of them, to be honest, to come with a concept this song, like... Five of them, though. Five of them. But like,

when Drake did the Pac thing, I'm not, you know, like, I'm not one to feel like, yo, if somebody has passed, I don't know if I would want to do that. Yeah, I don't want that. But I still thought

conceptually, I was like, damn. It was creative. That shit is ill. And then when Kendrick came with the Meet the Grounds, I was like, damn. That shit is ill, man. Shout out to Alchemist. That shit is crazy.

That shit is crazy. When people was like, did it go too far? I'm like, bro, in a disc, I don't feel like, the only thing that's off for me. Family. No, not family, because Meet the Grounds was amazing. That's what I mean.

That's one of the dopest. Family ain't off for me. But if somebody has passed or somebody, I ain't going to play with that. I got to honor that. Because that's somebody's life, man. But if I'm talking shit about your family, that's part of the war. It's part of the war. So let me ask you, man. But if I'm talking shit about your family,

that's part of the war. So let me ask you, Pete. Yeah. Have you ever produced a diss record and then the artists that they diss get mad at you when you really don't got nothing to do with it? Of course Ice Cube was a little upset with me. Was it really? Of course he was.

Get to the point. Was it really? Okay, describe this. Tell't. He didn't get to the point. I wasn't ready. Okay, describe this. He took a shot of red wine. I like that. Wait, wait, wait. You produced the bitch in you? Yeah.

I didn't even know that. He produced the bitch in you. Yo, I ain't going to lie. I did not know that. I did not know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. This man had me feeling bad.

Okay, okay. He was angry. He was upset. He was like, I'm going to get out. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. This man had me feeling bad. He was angry. He was upset. He was like, you don't want to get out. Hold on. Hold on. First of all, let's go back to you. Hold on.

Because Common, this man made no Vaseline, right? One of the best disc records of all time. Yes. How the fuck does Common and Ice Cube catch beef? How does, I don't remember. You don't remember how that, okay. It was West Side Connection? Okay, no, so what happened, first of all, like, I grew up listening to KRS, Big Daddy

Kane, Rakim, Ice Cube, Too Short, like, it wasn't no, like, being in Chicago, we was listening to all of them. Right. You know, I gravitated to who I gravitated to, but so I wrote I Used to Love Her. And I used to love about the evolution of hip hop, and I used a woman to describe hip hop. One of the most creative records of all time.

Thank you, thank you. Thank you, thank you. One of my favorite records. Damn, I never told you this. That's one of the records I fell in love with hip hop. That was the joint. That was the joint. You know what, I never told you this. I'm one of the records I fell in love with hip-hop. That was the joint. Dude, I never told you this. I'm thinking about it.

Yeah, that record still hits. Because I don't know the story, so please. So listen, Q was, at some point, it's crazy, because I remember when I first even realized he dissed me. I was at a show in Chicago. Wait, hold on. Because you said when you used to love her, when you said the West Coast part, he dided me. I was at a show in Chicago. Wait, hold on. Because you said when you used to love her, when you said the West Coast part, he did.

Yeah, he did. It was kind of crazy. She broke to the West Coast. And that was cool. Around the same time I went away to school. I'm a man that was expanding. Who am I to stand in her way? She'd probably get her money in L.A. And she did. She got big problems.

She said that the pro-black was going out of style. So I was just talking about how of standing her way. She'd probably get her money in L.A. And she did. She got big public. Oh, it didn't sound bad enough. She said that the pro-black was going out of style. So I was just talking about how we was losing the pro-blackness and it wasn't all because of the West Coast.

I was just talking about if you really want to know one of the things that really made me write I Used to Love Her, I honestly was watching some East Coast artists imitating the West Coast

and it made me be like, nah, this shit ain't right. We the tribes. I know what New York is like because New York is representing that tribe. We know what the West Coast is like. And now it's worse than ever. So I was like... You predicted this shit. So I was like, man, I definitely didn't want to... In fact, I had Cube's new record in the video.

Like, I was honoring a lot of the hip hop. So one day, I'm sitting about to do a show. I'm in the car with my homie, my homie Rahsaan and King T. King T from the West Coast. And somebody said, yo, Cube dissed you on this song. So we playing the song. And I'm listening. I'm like, damn, this nigga dissing me.

And King T was like, no, he ain't dissing you. He ain't dissing you. I'm like Damn this nigga dissing me And King T was like Nah he ain't dissing you He ain't dissing you I'm like This nigga dissing me It was on the West Side Connection It was on the West Side Connection Record

Q was like First of all I was like King T How you gonna not say This is a diss He said All you niggas

Want to diss the Pacific But you niggas Never get specific I used to love her Mad cause we fucked her. Pussy whip bitch with no common sense. That was direct. That was direct.

So, I mean, my first reaction was like, damn, SQ know who I am? And then I was like, I was mad. I was mad. I got mad. I was mad for sure. And I was like, man. And then I saw them popping off at, um, on like rap city one time with big legs. And then I saw them in Atlanta. I saw Westcott, Westside connection, Mac 10. And I was with my homies and I think

they just was like thinking I'm just a backpack nigga, but I'm with my guys and they hollered out something. We hollered out something. We like, what's up? We here. And I think they knew like, okay, let's do the real dude. But then I was like, I remember spitting the rhyme. I wrote the bitch in you. I wrote the first verse to these KRS instrumentals.

And I had the first verse and I was going out rapping when I was out with De La. I did it on the West Coast and everything. And a lot of people was, cats didn't want to mess with the beat. I was scared. I was scared with Dayla. I did it on the West Coast and everything. And a lot of people was casting and wanting to mess with the beat. I was scared. I was scared after I heard them. But you still with us.

But listen, I hope that would be telling like, when we connected that day, you said I was mad when you took me to the studio. I didn't even make the beat at my house. I didn't even make the beat at my house. So he comes to see you in the studio. Is this Green Street Studio? No, he came to the hood.

And first I had to calm him down and drive him around the hood. Like, yo, let's go get something to eat. Let's go see some women. Let's go, you know, introduce you to some people. Right? And then we went to my man's house where he had a stack of records.

I'm going through the records and I'm like, hmm. I see this record, start playing it and I heard this loop and i was like hmm then he heard it then he was like yo pete do something with that then but you knew that he was going to make this record you knew that you knew that okay at this point yeah because i already drove him around and did what i did I was like, you're going to get this thing or what? So, you know, and then we just, you know, he heard the loop. Then I got these drums. I made it at my man Rob O's house, who was a member of this group called I&I. I&I.

I&I. A record I made called Fakin' Jacks. Right. Hit it at his house. And he had records and equipment. And I just came up with the beat and come and start bopping his head. Like, yo, this one right here. Maybe this.

The first beat I made, because I was going to make beats. But the first one I made, he picked it. Yeah. And said, I'm going to run with this one. Let me ask you. And that's why I wrote a second verse to it after he made that beat. Let me ask you, because Ice Cube was like a hard opponent to go against. Yeah.

Like, how do you gas yourself up? Or how do you like come up with that? Because I ain't going to lie. And this is me being 100%. Yeah. If Ice Cube might have dissed me, I might have let it ride. I'm like, fuck it, man. Let me see you.

You got me. I'm going to fight you. I don't mind. I don't'm like, fuck it, man. Let me see you. You got me. I'm a fighter. I don't mind. I don't want to bar with Ice Cube. He's one of those MCs, like, but, so what's going through your mind when you're sitting there? You're like, you about to go get one of the greatest of all time. And like y'all said, No Vaseline is one of the greatest.

One of the coldest. And Death Certificate is one of the best albums ever. He was one of the greatest. And Death Certificate was one of the best albums ever. He was one of the greatest MCs of all time. But I was just like, man, I'm going to have to light him up, man. And I believed in myself, man. I sat down. Start with the title, man. Yo, I was like, yo.

And the bitch in you. And then I was like, man, I just knew I could do what I needed to do on the back and I Wasn't gonna go around I'm going to wreck the wreck and strike like this this I this how we battle this sound like I'm You know who is coming to and and I and I just felt to be honest that I had enough Because I was a fan of his I had enough things I could even of him I was using a lot of things that he had enough because I was a fan of his I had enough things I could even I was using a lot of things that he had done but let me be clear now Cube is my guy

I've been in his movie one of his barbershop movies got ultimate respect for him and we were grateful to Minister Farrakhan at the time brought us all together is that because

how serious it was getting though? yeah yeah Farrakhan because I feel like he doesn't get involved unless something serious is about to go down. He brought us together literally like a week after Biggie got killed. He was like, yo, this pocket already died. Pocket got killed.

Biggie died. He brought us together. And Cass was like, you know, we just like, man, we ain't trying to die. We want to live. Like, this is something for us to live. I'm about it, you know, but you young at the time, you're like, you don't know what's going to happen. And it's for real.

But, you know, I like when it's just on wax, man. Is it true the first time you performed it, or you performed it in L.A. was one of the first times? Yeah, one of the times I performed it in L.A. It was crazy. I remember that. He was there at the Gavin. Yeah, one of the times I performed in LA. It was crazy. I remember that. Yeah. I'm thinking, I'm thinking.

It was in Mack Tendon. It was Mack Tendon. He was there at the Gavin. Do you remember? Y'all remember the Gavin thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mack Tendon was at the Gavin. It's all love with Mack Tendon now.

But that said, I was on the West Coast. I was like, whatever's going to happen, going to happen. I was in that type of mentality. And then, what's crazy, I was on a show, and it was West Coast, it was at the House of Blues, and man, I just was like, man, what's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? My father wasn't even there. Oh, shit.

You know, it's gonna be what it's gonna be. That's the only diss record I've ever produced, ever. You were probably like, that's it, I'm done with the diss. That's it. Yeah. That was potent. That's good enough for me. Yeah, yeah.

It's a classic. You know. Yeah, but. God damn, let's make some noise. That was crazy at that time. I'm like... Everybody. Like you said, you were looked at like a backpack rapper. Yeah, point blank.

So a lot of people didn't think you was going to, for lack of a better term, come this hard. Yeah, yeah. You came hard. Yeah, super hard. And I don't think none of us saw that yeah no i ain't gonna front that was a lot of niggas that wasn't like fucking with me or just like i he wanted a backpack dudes i had dudes come up to me and be like man when i heard the bitch in you i was like okay all right i like they respected me at that point but you know

sometimes it does that the battles the battles can get that point. But, you know, sometimes it does that. The battles can get that out of you. It's like in sport and a lot of things, you know. But, yeah, even we saw that with the battle. It just happened. I mean, to me, when you're delivering a battle, too, it just kind of raises your artistry up in a way. Because it's like okay i

can make these records i can make a record about a woman i can make a record about what life is i can make reminisce so i can make but but i can also get into this into this to this battle to this war and do what i need to do right yeah now you your name been brought up so many times on this show right um especially i want to get back into the Drake thing just lightly a little bit. Because what was the Drake thing over? So the Drake thing was more, like, I ain't into, like, what you said, like, when y'all was telling Nas, man, I think he dissing you. Right. I felt like Drake was sending me a couple shots.

Subliminals? Some subliminals. Y'all be at the light-skinned karate class. It really, I think it started, I don't know what motivated him to send me some shots, but I think what for sure had me, if I'm just being real, like, you know, we had mess with one of the same girls,

blah, blah, blah, the same story, yeah, the same story that you hear a lot about it. You know, wars happen over women. They do. Wars happen over women. Wars happen over women. That's just what it is. I mean, but I ain't the type that's going,

I ain't going to get at you if, you know, if you with somebody I was with, I don't know. That's what I do. But if you start throwing me a couple of little, you know, you trying to throw some jabs. And you like the rap. You know, and I'm like, come on, man. Okay.

And then once I found, you know, once I felt like they really, I remember they dropped the state scheme, and my homie called me, Black called me. State scheme. And he was like, man, he talking to you on that. And at that point, I was like, man, I just can't even. I just got to. Over the girl.

I just got to. I don't think your man got it. No, it wasn't even a girl. I don't see the shot on state scheming. We couldn't tell, like, because that's what it is. So that's why I was like. No, no, no, no. No's why i was like we couldn't tell so that's why i was like hey i'm gonna let you know like right now this is what so if you're coming at me you're like you don't know who it is i'm coming at you i'm coming

and it was great it was great yeah that rap was great and it was crazy as no idea at that point, shout out to no idea. Shout out to no idea. Shout out to no idea. He was like, because I had all these bars, and he was like, bro, you can't go that hard. Just wait, because it might be another round. And he was like, the younger generation don't go that hard. And I was like, what? And then, because all I know is to go out loud. If we in the fight, I'm going to go out. I'm going to pick up what I got to pick up.

Do what I got to do. Which is good, I'm pitching you too. Yeah. But when he told me that, I was like, okay. So I took out a few lines, blah, blah, blah. But, and then, you know, we had it and I eventually saw Drake face to face. And I was at a point where I, you know,

where I was like, what's up? And we just, we had little, little, little words. face to face and I was at a point where I was like, what's up? And we just, we had little words and then. It's over. And then his father was there and was like, y'all need to squash this. And I was like, man, this is an elder talking to me. This is man's father.

Let me chill out. And then Drake just was like, we talked and he was like, man, I ain't on this, blah, blah, blah. So we just squashed it. I was like, listen, if we face-to-face and it ain't nothing, then all right. Even if it was some subliminal distance, I said what I had to say. Right now, we saying we squashing it, we good. So I've been good since then.

Listen. You know what I think is trash is when people see each other face to face and then do it after. Don't over battle. That's what I say to the artist. Don't over battle. Do it for the fun. You know, try to stay in respectable, you know. Yeah.

I mean, that's the only thing that I'm seeing like right now. And I don't want to say the people names certain people sometimes you go too far like I always if I have a battle with you we battle him and we don't hate each other there's always room to fix it but when you start saying certain things about certain

shit you can't fix that you room to fix it. Yep. But when you start saying certain things about certain shit, you can't fix that. You can't fix it. You say something personal. I don't like that part, but I do love battling. I do love, like, you know, face-to-face, you know. It's history.

Yeah, it's history. You're like, yeah. Kumo D, you know what I'm saying? Like, that type of shit. Kane, Rakim. You know what I mean? All right, all right. I love that, but this new generation of shit. Kane, Rock King. Yeah. All right. All right. I love that,

but this new generation, they're bad. They're bad. And social media changed everything too. That's what it was. Social media changed it all. I'm glad my battles happened a lot

during the social media age because you got to like, you got to add that element to it, which I think they did. Kendrick and Drake did smart. They had strategy. Yeah, they used it. It was auto-war shit going on there. Everybody's a private investigator. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Everybody got private investigators. Are they private investigators or they have private investigators? I don't know. It's probably both. They're bringing up pictures. They took it up a notch. Reddit files and shit. They took it up a notch. Okay, let's I'm going to switch it up. We're going to get to the back. Reddit files and shit. They took it up a notch. Okay, let's, let's,

let's, let's, I'm going to switch it up. We're going to get to peace. Huh? Yeah, we're going to get to peace. No,

because, you know what? I needed you to talk about this. I needed, and especially you, Pete, because you're very non-confrontational. You're very like,

you're not about that. And you're not about that. But the fact is that you both, and I did not remember. I knew that you did produce that but I didn't remember. I didn't know that. You knew it. I knew it, but I forgot. And when A.F.B.'s face turned red. Is it widely known? I didn't know

this, man. Before we change the subject, when did you see Ice Cube? What did he say to you? He said, aw, P, come on. You good, bro. You good. Ultimately, Cube had to respect it.

Yeah, yeah. That shit is over with, Pete. It's all good. It's crazy. When we was doing a barbershop movie. In the Chi-Town. We actually,

we filmed it in Atlanta, but it's, you know, it's based in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. So, Cube, at one point, we was about to, it was crazy because it's like a Cuba, at one point, we was about to, it was crazy because it was like a movie.

At one point, we was just about to have a taco, high and all. Like, as soon as we started talking, he got a phone call. And it was like, we never discussed it. That was Jesus. That was Jesus. Go, let's keep it positive energy, positive energy.

Positive energy. Now, when we was talking about it, it wasn't like, it was just like, it was almost like one of the moments, you know, you got into it with somebody, you're like, look, man, this is why I even came at you like this, blah, blah, blah. But we didn't even get to that point. He didn't want to talk about it.

You know why I swore under the bridge. It's history. His whole attitude about it was like, yeah. Yeah, it was 20 years later. But, I mean, it's good history of hip-hop history that Yeah, I still feel still for like you got a little bit of pettiness in him Yeah, I would never battle. I would never bad one of our biggest arguments on drink champs is Which I love I'm just writing Tony. Yeah, that's it. It was an argument.

He died for you, my favorite. You're not the only one playing this shit. He didn't like my favorite. He looked at the thing. Yep, I just saw it. Because EFN, a lot of people don't know, he's actually from L.A., but that doesn't, I don't think he's born in L.A.,

but that doesn't, you know, make his decisions because of that. He's really an Ice Cube fan. Yeah. And Yeo was really, is really a Biggie fan. Yes. And when Yeo was saying, he was like, you've never seen, you never felt when Biggie dropped. Yeah.

And I'm like, yes. I'm like, yes to Yeo. But I agree with everything he says about Biggie. I agree, too. And J.P.Q. is in my list. He's tough. That's it. But that was like the most quietest I've ever been on T.A.O.

I agree with both sides. I said, I don't want no more. I wish Biggie lived long enough to have the discography that Q had. It just didn't happen. You know what? I got to see America's Most Wanted go down in Green Street, because that's where Ice Cube produced. That's what Ice Cube did.

He did that album in New York. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. By the way, let's pick up with Pete Rock. You brought me to Green Street. Yeah. And by the way, let me tell you another thing that you probably don't know. OK.

Is me and Pun, and you were on that record. I'm on the record with you. Me and Pun had made a vow that we was going to start doing people's records and doing these features. I didn't even know. I requested you, though. Yes, I got you. Let me hear your vow. So that was the first time me and Pun had been,

but we had never been in the studio together. And I remember this Green Street studio. It's a famous picture of me and you. I was skinny. I got to get back to my life together. I was skinny with the Cartier glasses. And I remember, and I never told you this neither. I remember just me.

That was also the quietest I've ever been. I just looked at you and said what do I need to do and you said this this and that and I did not we got you on video yes this is on video listen

comment I did not argue I did not I did everything to the T I did not want him like this is Pete Rock I did not want him

this is I wasn't worried hold on hold on let me give you the flowers this was a testing point for me yeah as my career like Pete Rock called I did not want him. I wasn't worried. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I wasn't worried. Let me give you the flowers. This was a testing point for me. Yeah. As my career, like Pete Rock called, and I was like, did he call?

I was like, you know, we had beepers and shit back then. Yep, beepers. So I was like, Pete Rock called, and I was like, yo, this is Green Street Recording Studios. I remember, I called Ava Rex. Yep, yep. And I was like, yo, I got to have an Ava Rex. Yep. Yep. And I was like, yo, I got to have an Ava Rex. Yep.

I got to look good. I got to look good. And I was asking you about it, and I was like, where you get that jacket from? Yeah, oh, that's right,

that's right. And I was like, and I remember, I had just came from out here. I forget, I don't know the door, but that shit was a legendary moment in my life.

And you saw it. Come on, man. You saw it in me. Like, you were one of the first that, this is real shit. This is real shit. And you were one of the fucking best. That's wild.

And you on the fucking, how the fuck is this making 360? That's what I do. I bring people together. Good music brings people together. As you were saying that, I fast forward to where we are now, and I was thinking like,

to be honest, working with Pete for me now is like, yo, as much as I'm used to being a solo artist, I'm a solo artist, you know, and not many producers, sometimes they just give you the beat and they let you go, and Pete did that, some of that. He did that, but it that. He did that. But it was, I really appreciated when he would guide me too. If something wasn't right, he would be like,

yo, I need you to do this. Like, let's straighten this out. Let's do that. And it felt like. That's being a producer. That's a producer. I felt that. He a smooth nigga too. He going to say it smooth.

He'll be like, yeah. But when he mean it, you know when he mean it, dog. I make you do it eight times. Yeah, exactly. But I love that. And to me, that's Iron Sharp and Zion. Like, you're like,

okay, man, I'm going to, this record going to come out better. This song going to come out better because he putting that type of soul and energy into it. And when you were saying, like,

like us being able to get together, for me, I was like, damn, I'm sitting here with P-Rock, he playing records, I'm hearing records that he like, you want to use this and that, watching him chop up something, let's try these ideas. Man, what we always loved about this music, I kind of got to do on this album like like just sitting down rocking great experience everyone should experience it yeah man it's just if you are an artist and you know working in the physical is way better yeah emailing somebody some beats or something like that you know that's when i felt the album yeah no that's when i knew yeah that's where the success is yo that's what hey that's what that's, you fit? That's where the success is at. Yo, that's when I felt like,

that's when I knew we could make a project that's special because it was coming out to his crib and sitting there and him going through music and then even him sending me records. I was like, this is the process that has always been the best when I'm working with a producer. That's how I got to work with Dilla. When it was me and Pete, we got, I mean, we got our, everybody got their own special

connection, but it's also too, just the bond. Like I ain't, you know, I ain't into just people sending me music and then I do the song and I ain't never met the person. You know, I was on this dude, I was on, um, Cordae's, I was on this Cordae, and I had never met the producer. I'm on the plane, and he tell me, yo, you on one of my records. I'm like, this shit is strange to me. Like, that ain't like, yo. It's crazy. It's like you do something so intimate and don't even know it.

I know we do a lot of work, but you know what I'm saying? I know we do a lot of work, but sometimes, you know, it gets lost. Yeah. You don't remember. Like, oh, shit, I did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't remember. Like, oh shit, I did that. Yeah. No, but I was about to say me and EFN have this argument

all the time. Oh, yeah. But we don't. We have Major and Independent. I always say I like Major and he says he likes Independent. But when I say Major, the reason why I say I like Major

is because I can have the budget to fly this artist in if he's not. Man, you just added that to the script. You ain't never said that. That's what I mean, though. Okay, okay. I'll let you go with that. You're developing your knowledge.

I mean, more since today. But that's the reason why I'm picking Major. Because if I want to work With Common And back then We had an 8 inch rail I would have to go to Chicago And go work with him And me and Pete Rock Get on a flight

Like how we was on a flight Together today And get to the flight And we produce it That's what made That's why I picked Major More because Of the assets

Of that finances That provides it That you got to recoup That you got to recoup. Which you got to recoup, of course, yes. But that's the reason why I always pick major is because of that. And I also always pick analog. Yeah, yeah.

I like analog more than digital. You don't have your experience with analog coming to see people like me and Premier and all these other producers that worked with analog. It's the most important sound in music. Period. They gave you that

fat like that, that, that. It captures the energy in the roof. Yeah. In the music, bro. And it's the soul in that analog too.

Yeah. I didn't know how to punch in. Yeah. I didn't know how to punch in. Huh? It wasn't your job. Superdog is a one. What?

What? Superdog in one take. It's a one take. If you never heard it, you What? It wasn't your job. Superdog is a one. What? What? Superdog in one take? It's a one take, yeah. If you never heard it, you got to tell them about the hook. Oh, yeah. The hook is what, what, what, what. That's how I counted bars.

What, what, what, what, what, what, what. He was counting his bars with that. What, what, what, what, what. And for us, we've said it a bunch of times. We've said it a bunch of times. You know what? I'm telling you,

everyone got a method to their beat. Yo, that shit is dope. Yes, that's the one. You didn't mean it to be the hook. Yeah, I didn. Yo, that shit is dope. That's the one. You didn't mean it to me. I didn't mean it. I was nervous. That's crazy. I was nervous as hell.

That's crazy. But I got to say something about that, though. Yeah. Because Pete always, we be talking about James Brown, right? And man, the fact that you just ad-libbed that, that was just coming, you know, this is what I'm saying, this is my thing. But it became something so, like, that's one of the biggest joints in hip-hop. You hear something funny about James Brown.

I met James Brown at Pharrell, ironically, it was a BMI Awards for Pharrell and Justin Timberlake. And I walked over to James Brown, I was like, hey, man, you know, it's so nice to meet you. And I could tell he knew. He did not know who the fuck I was, right? But his nephew or whoever leaned over and was like, that's the rapper.

That's the rapper. And he turned around. He was like, keep sampling my shit. Yeah. Niggas is feeding James Brown. You got to think about it. All the early records of hip-hop. He's one of the most sampled.

He's one of the most sampled. He don't care. If you a rapper, he think you sampled him. He's the most sampled, but he has some albums that people ain't listening and they ain't touching these James Brown songs. Don't give it away now. I'm just saying, like, you know, I don't care. It's hip hop. I try to just, you know what I mean, like, make beats and do whatever.

But that feeling, what I'm saying is, like, Super Thug is like, it's a feeling, too. Like, that's what we got in them records. And James Brown, you know, he ain't like, hit me on the one. That ain't like he rehearsed that. He's just in there giving the feeling.

So that, honestly, one of the, what's crazy is one of, on the song The Light, for me, like, one of the most said lyrics

for me on the song The Light, which is, you know, love song, blah, blah, blah, is when I say, tick-a-tie, tick-a-tie,

tick-a-tick-a-tie. Now, what's crazy is, I didn't have my firsttie, tick-a-tie, tick-a-tick-a-tie. Now, what's crazy is I didn't have my first finish. So I just was like, tick-a-tie, tick-a-tie. And then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, I'm saying, it was like,

and then when I tried to change and write something, it just didn't feel right. You didn't plan on keeping that, is what you're saying. I didn't plan on keeping it. It was like a reference take and I never did a take that was better. So I just left it and it took a time. And to this day when I perform that song, that's what

the crowd say the most. Tick a time, tick a time. And when I heard that, I was like, it's about the feeling. It's the feeling. It's the divine that's coming through. That was some Nori Slash Fooly Tang shit right there. You know what? What all of us do is magic, bro.

Yep. You, what he does, what I do, it's all magic, man. You know, that's why me and EF been kind of started this show is because, to me, if you participated in hip-hop, You know That's why me and EF Been kind of started this show Is because To me If you Participated in hip hop You're a fucking hero

Yeah To a certain extent Like You know how hard it is For you to be famous Or half famous Or whatever Whatever version you is

We can never take our costume off Yeah Like I I envy the construction worker i envy the mcdonald's worker who takes off their uniform like i envy them like i can't take it off and on you i always think about like hip-hop artists man it's like they superheroes in so many ways because think about this you took your life and where we come from you took your life yeah and gave it to people and people want to be like that it affected they

lie that's called inspiration inspiration like that like that's the creator working through you and you just did what you were supposed to do and people like think about how many people have listened to you been affected and you just took your aura you're just giving your aura in the song like all every experience you give and that's what's so dope about hip-hop because we ain't got yeah we don't have the polish or the pop and and all that you know meaning like i know nobody nobody has coached you into how to be you right like where you see some artists you like're like, okay, they went through that, through that machine, and that's how,

you know, they become the big, the boy bands, or whatever. And it's those rough edges that make hip-hop special. Make hip-hop special. And it's so true.

And also mistakes. Right. Yeah. Made in the studios, like, oh shit, leave it in there. You know what I'm saying?

And people, you know, obviously people in certain genres of music, they don't, like, when I get to perform sometimes with the symphonies and stuff, you know, obviously people in certain genres of music, they don't, like when I get to perform sometimes with the symphonies and stuff, you know, orchestras, and I'm like, man, it's two different worlds. I appreciate being able to have all those strings and blah, blah, blah, but it's such a rigid thing. And I'll be like, I'll be bringing them to our world as much as possible. Yeah, bro.

And it's like, hip hop is like that, what you just said, said the mistakes the freedom. Yes, right the revolution in it It's like man. This is this is I'll be like man. Thank you God for putting me in hip hop Even you know to be honest even on it Going into the acting world people ask you people say to me. Oh, you're a rapper. So you should better act now I don't believe that. It's a different discipline. But being able to go and do what we experience, y'all know what it takes for us to make these records,

to go get these records heard, to go into the club. I remember, man, we used to have to go to the radio station early in the morning, go to the barbershops, go to the club because the DJ was... Remember promotional tours? You got to go to all sides of Mom and Pop and you're like, promotional tours, but you don't get paid.

You don't get paid for that. But that type of work, that type of work, man, is like, to me, it helped, it shaped you for a lot of stuff that we need to go into in business and all type of shit you know well you know what's you know you're fucking me up right now because you know what's the crazy thing my next question was

to both of y'all yeah my next question was because me sometimes i don't i'm scared to speak to the younger generation. I don't know if this makes sense, but let me try to make it make as much sense as it can. Like what you just said, I want the next younger artist to hear that from you. Right. But this generation that came, and I'm going to say it, and they're going to be mad at me. They're like dumb. They have one track.

I'm not saying they're dumb. I won't say dumb. I'll say one track. You can't put the whole generation. Can't put the whole generation. Because there's young niggas that get it. Because look what I just said to you. I said I was so honored to be in the studio with you.

I literally didn't talk back to you. I was just like, yes, let's go. But that's because I feel like the generation that we came from, it was about respect. It was about respecting your elders. Giving you something good. Yes. And as of now, they want to test their elders. Like, it's just even like we said with you and Drake.

Like, God bless Drake, but he was never supposed to come at you because of your seniority to hip-hop already. You were supposed to be off limits. Like, there's certain people that are supposed to be off limits. Not supposed to be a diss record about Carmen. You know what I'm saying? It's not supposed to be a diss record about Pete. So, let me make this question make sense.

Sometimes I'm scared to reach out to the young generation. Why? Your city has some of the youngest, wildest, and I imagine

if Common reaches out to Little Monster. Yeah. I don't want to say no names. You know what I mean? You reach out to Little Monster and be like, yo, yo, yo, yo, bro, I just want you to know I've been through everything you've been through. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The chicks that you dated, I've dated those. You know, the wars that you've been through. Yeah. I've been through the wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, is it easy for, is that an easy thing?

Because it's not an easy thing for me, Carmen, Pete. I'm going to be honest with you. The minute I try to talk to a young dude and I feel like they're not listening, I'm like, I got better things to do. And I move on. I'm sorry. I'm a foul guy. I know this.

I know this. I came to the realization. I'm looking at myself in the mirror and I said, I'm not that good. I'm not that good of a person. Right? But, like, up to a moment, it comes to that. You know what I'm saying? Because I listened.

I listened to KRS. I listened to Rakim. I listened to Big Daddy Kane. My eyebrows are thick because I cut my shit trying to be like Big Daddy Kane. No, you just dropped the gym. Okay. You sure did. Actually, as you were saying, for me, I think one of the things that the younger generation didn't feel like we did is listen to them.

Like, you know, we had people that was older than us that just said, like, including parents, it's like, yo, you do what I say, do what I blah, blah, blah. And some of that worked. I'm glad that my mother gave me some of that discipline. But some of it is like, you know, we came from a generation, too, where we like, yo, this is the purest. We from the 90s. This is where we didn't listen to them

and kind of honor what they was doing. So then they like, well, all right, well, y'all ain't, you know, y'all don't give us, y'all ain't, you know, y'all don't give us, y'all don't even respect us. And I've been one that they felt that about, like, at some point. But I can't, like, I got a Harriet Tubman mentality. Like, I always feel like, man, if I get any type of wisdom, I'm going to try to bring it back, any type of resources, I'm going to try to bring it back.

I am going to bring it back. And I'm going to try to do it without preaching. And the thing I've noticed, just speaking of Chicago specifically, but I feel like it's youth all across the board, that, man, when you're really present with them, give them a listen, hit them out, give them a little wisdom, keep showing by example, they start responding to it in certain ways.

And if they don't, man, sometimes they might get it later. But I understand why you get frustrated, because it's like, yo, bro, I done, man, come on, man. Can't talk. Yeah, what you think, P? I believe like, especially you were producers. I'm a very opinionated

guy, so, you know, I critique, you know. I'm a very opinionated guy. So I critique. I'm like, you could do better here. You could say better rhyme here. That's the kind of dude I am. So they may take it as disrespect. But I'm really saying do better. You know what I'm saying? Do better because hip hop taught me to be better.

Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. I also think, I also think there's a generation of OGs that tried to act like YGs. Oh my God. And the young generation was like looking at like confused, like,

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So it's hard to listen to somebody you think you're doing better than. Yeah. That's true. But then I think, you know, sometimes they should be, you know, some of them be empty with the stuff they feel like they got. Their souls still be empty. Yeah. And when you give them a little something, like, man,

I just straight up had talks with youngins from Chicago, like, yo, I need, yo, you need to go to this therapy, man. Therapy. Like, I'm telling you this right now.

You see me and you feel like, oh, yeah, you successful and yo, you got this, you acting, you blah, blah, blah. Nah, go to therapy, bro. It has helped me.

And my thing is like that, I feel like for me, I'm thinking of Chicago too, in a way like the OGs, when I became, well, first of all, when Shorty first started calling me OG, I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, that's just like, yeah, OG, bro. But I mean, that was a whole long time ago.

You've been an OG for a minute. I've been an OG for a minute. We all been OG for a minute. Yeah, we've been OG. You ain't make it. But I think, you know, like, one of the things I felt like

we, I can speak specifically, especially when it comes to the gang culture in Chicago. I feel like we, like the dudes that raised us, they gave us certain amounts of like laws, wisdom, stuff that just like moral conduct in the streets. You know what I'm saying? Like this, like this is too far. Like you ain't, like if you go, if you do this, that's a violation. Right. And you're going to pay for it. And I don't think, like, we, in my generation, when it came to the Chicago culture, really sat down and took that time.

You got to take time with these youngins, man. You got to be consistent. Yeah, you got to be consistent. I learned. I'm going to tell you something, Con, man. You got to be consistent. Yeah, you got to be consistent. I learned. I'm going to tell you something, Kyle, man. Yeah. I've been going, obviously,

Chicago was like my number seventh market. Yeah, yeah. Like seventh, eighth. It was in my top ten. So I've been going to Chicago. And by the way, I'm half black,

half Puerto Rican. Yeah, yeah. So I have nothing but ties in Chicago. My family, my family went from Puerto Rico, Spanish Harlem,

to Chicago, right? I'm going to tell you something. In the 90s, even though they might have said that Chicago was worse in the 90s, they had OGs. I felt safer going to Chicago in the 90s,

early 2000s, than I do going there now, where I feel like, and now you can forgive me, I mean, you can correct me, excuse me. I don't feel like there's structure now. Yeah, but you just named it. You just named it.

It ain't no structure. I used to go to Capiti Green. Yeah. I went to Capiti Green. You know why I went to Capiti Green? Yeah. I got to be with good times. Yeah.

I used to DJ in the club across the street. I did a record with R. Kelly. I know it's frowned upon now. But I did a record with R. Kelly. That shit was classic. That was a shit record. That song was great. Don't act like that.

Come on, man. Everyone believes we can fly. What's good is good. What's good is good, bro. And I say it on the R. Kelly record. I say it. the R. Kelly record. I say it. I hate Sammies. So, Sammies was this soul food fried chicken restaurant across the street from Capiti Green.

And people used to be like, yo, Lori, why do you keep going there? Like, I just love Sammies. But what I'm trying to tell you is I didn't know I was in a dangerous place. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah because it was so structured like the OG's had me yeah yeah like yeah like OG but that's what the OG's to me at that Harold's. Harold's. My fingers start smelling. That's Chicago. Yeah, Chicago.

I think the OGs knew it. Like you said, like I said earlier a little bit, like they knew, like you can't go but so far. And you're like, man, ain't no children going to get it. If some children get hit in this, then you going to pay for that. Yeah, right. You know what I'm saying? We ain't with that shit. get if some children get hit in this yeah then you you gonna pay for that yeah right you know what i'm saying and when younger people just started dying man like young people just out at the park i'm talking and babies started getting shot i just felt like man ashamed of our city like

i felt like man we we gotta do better and man people working to try to do things and and and it's it's a it's a collective but i do we got we got to do better. And, man, people working to try to do things, and it's a collective. But, dude, we got so many positive things about that. But, I mean, I brought that up. But to answer your question about the young is I think, you know, man, we just got to keep reaching for them, man. And listen to them, too, bro. My daughter taught me that shit. My son.

Yo, my daughter was like, yo. My daughter, too, yeah. You ain't got all the answers. Right. And I'm like, she basically, I mean, she said it in her own way. And I was like, you know what? You're right. I don't have all the answers.

And even if I think I'm right, I still need to hear you out. Right. You know? Yep. And that's just, to me, that's the collective. We got to hear the youngins out. Yep. You know what I read the other day on the plane?

I'm sitting there going through something. And they told me that Chicago real estate is the illest real estate. It's the place to invest in right now, but not according to our music. I'm like, yo, how the fuck is this the total opposite

of what the fuck we hear in hip hop? Just think about what I just said. I'm on, you know, I'm in whatever magazine. Is that because of gentrification, though? I have no idea. Chicago got some. It's got some. It's beautiful.

I was looking for that. Because they tore down the, it was a Cabrini Green, right? Yeah. Cabrini Green. But, you speaking of real estate, I want to shout out my man Mo Group. He do real estate in Chicago. Okay. So, if y'all want real estate in Chicago, Mo Group.

Okay. What's the vibe on Hyde Park, though? Hyde Park was always like, Hyde Park was one of the, it's crazy because when you were saying Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico Day Parade. What's the name of that park? Humble Park? Humble Park. Heckler's from there. Our boy Heckler's from there. Our boy Heck is from there. Oh, for real? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Puerto Rican. But I'm going to tell you, though, y'all, I got to say, being in Chicago, to be honest, like, it's a real segregated city. I didn't know Puerto Ricans and Dominicans could look like we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, until I came to New York, until I met Juju and Les from the Beat Nuts. Yeah, we've been to the Beat Nuts. We've been to the Beat Nuts. Yeah, man. until I came to New York, until I met Juju and Les from the beat nuts. You know the beat nuts? That's right, brother.

No, they're from Astoria. Corona. Corona. That practice in Corona. So, yeah, yeah. You were in a lot of the beat nuts. Yeah, Corona. Y'all were label mates, too.

They were my first, like, dudes I knew from New York. Juju, my man. That's my guy. Juju, man. I got Les and Juju. He funky on the beats. He funky on the beats. He funky on the beats. But I'm saying, I didn't know that it could, you know.

So, like, until I started getting in New York and then that exposed me to, like, oh, man, it's different cultures and different people, you know. You want to hear some funny shit? Uh-oh. I've been touring since 1998. So, I forget what year this was. And I called my Spanish cousins from Chicago and my black cousins from Chicago. They met me at the House of Blues.

Oh, shit. They found out they lived across the street from each other for 20 years and didn't know each other. What? Are you serious? I swear to God. Wow, that's... I mean, they're not cousins. It happens.

They're not cousins. Still, happens. Still. It's my black cousin that's black and my Spanish cousin. So, they're cousins by default. Right. Are they cool now? Are they... I don't know. They might still be shooting at each other.

They're like family members that got beat with each other. They're cool for the day. Holy shit. How is it over there? It's okay. How is it over there? shooting at each other. I mean, let me finish up. Yeah, they're family members that got beat with each other. They were cool for the day. They were like, holy shit, how is it over there? I was like, yes, it's okay,

how is it over there? That's why I asked. Motherfucker, y'all have a corkless dream. They might be close, but they're worlds apart. Worlds apart. And it was like, that's when I knew

how segregated Chicago was because in New York, in Jersey, the Bronx, Mount Vernon, like, blacks and Latinos pretty much live in the same environment. And then, the Bronx, Mount Vernon, like blacks and Latinos pretty, pretty much live in the same environment.

And then when I went to LA and then I seen that, like we had Will.i.am on recently and Will.i.am was like the only like cholo. Yes. I saw that. He was the only cholo. I saw that. He was the only cholo. He was a blo-lo.

Yeah. A blo-lo. I was like, that's rare. Blow it off. I saw that. That's rare. That's rare. You don't see that. But I had not known that living in New York City my whole life. I thought that everyone is like that.

Because in New York, it's like, if you're really, really from New York, you can't be racist. Man, yeah. You have a Russian neighbor. Yeah. If you're really, really from New York, you can't be racist. Man, yeah. You have a Russian neighbor. Yeah. You have a Haitian who lives downstairs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a good fool.

Yeah. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know.

He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know. He let you know.

You have a Haitian who cooks downstairs, who wears a Jamaican belt, so it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird. So it's kind of weird. Then you got a Jamaican. You got the Colombian next door. Then you got a Colombian, and it's like Peru, maybe not so much. But that's what I love. You know what I'm saying? That's what I love about New York.

But man, that was the thing that I would, to this day, what I love about New York. It's the most I see of different cultures and people. Combined in one place. And it ain't like, it ain't like, it ain't no fakeness about the way it blends. Like,

I be seeing like black and white dudes, Latino dudes playing handball together. That's right. Pick up handball. Yeah, handball. Pick up handball.

I'm making it to the Olympics for you. I'm making it to the Olympics for you. I'm making it to Congress. After being in New York, it's easy to adapt. It's easy to adapt once you're in New York. Yeah. You know what I'm making it to the Olympic sport. I'm making it to Congress. After being in New York, it's easy to adapt once you're in New York, man.

You know what I'm saying? Like, the culture is so crazy. Everyone just kind of adapts to that shit, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Well, let me just tell y'all what our show is about, man.

Our show is about giving people their flowers. No doubt, bro. While they're alive, where they can smell them, where the trees, you can hell them. That's where you can think they alive, where they can smell them, where the trees, you can hell them. That's where you can think them and drinks where you can drink them.

And we want to give y'all a big round of applause. Thank you, bro. Thank you, bro. Thank you, bro. P-Rock, you are one of the best producers of all time.

Thank you, sir. You know, I earned that. I earned that. Hold on, let me keep giving you your flowers. I love your humbleness. I love how you keep it fucking hip-hop. Yes, sir. Like, no matter where you're...

If you tell me right now, somebody say, Pete Rock is in Sweden. I'm like, he keeping it hip-hop? Yeah. I don't need to say, Pete Rock is in Sweden. I'm like, he keeping the hip hop. I don't need to know what you're doing in Sweden. You could be doing a roller skating rink and people running around with tights. I'm like, I bet you Pete Rock is keeping the hip hop. I know.

I know that. The name is synonymous with hip hop. He knows. And Carmen, let me just tell you something. I'm a movie buff. So I know my friend who can't speak English that good. He's seen every one of your movies. Yeah. And I know he might have been freestyling a little bit.

I've seen every one of your movies. Good thanks, man. And the worlds have you brung us to and represented our culture. We all owe you. Yes, sir. Thank you. Yes, sir. We owe you big time. Because again, when I see Carmen, I'm like, he keeping that hip up.

I don't have to question you. There's certain people that I would look and be like, ah, man, he fucked up. He don't know what to say. He don't know what to say. He didn't even represent the culture no more. It's certain people. And the fact that you two brothers He don't represent me. He didn't even represent the coach anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's certain people.

But, and the fact that you two brothers is getting together to drop this album in June, correct? And the fact that we have a record together. Exactly. In the 90s. But I've done stuff for you too. That's right. Come on.

Come on, man. I just want to give y'all brothers y'all flowers, tell y'all how important y'all are to the culture, how proud we are of y'all, and how much we want y'all to keep going, man. Thank you, man. Because one thing that Jay-Z album taught me about 444 is we don't have to dumb down us we could up it yeah and we could

because our audience we're with us yeah these motherfuckers they might work for UPS now but they fucking grew with us like they they you know I'm saying like yeah we don't have to like that you said something earlier you said you didn't like when artists were trying to sound like the West Coast. Yeah. And so that's what you said on I Love Her. But at one point,

everyone wanted to be from the South. Yeah. Yeah. The hip hop. Yeah. It's still there. It's still there.

It's still there. Yeah. I told you, it's y'all's fault. It's New York's fault, man. I blame New York for that. Yo, people, do not let him get away with that. Well, I mean, I ain't going to say it's our fault.

New York, I'm not saying it's you guys individually. I'm going to say cats in New York, certain cats, not everybody, lost some identity of where they're from and what they represent. And so that's why I'm like, yo, you know, let the South be the South. Because I love Outkast. That's my favorite group up in the South. Yeah. And Luda and all of them.

And that whole crew. Yep. Rest in peace to Rico. Yeah, man. Oh, rest in peace. And he was the awesome, he was an awesome producer. You know, shout out to Jip. You know, that's my guy from Goody Mom.

So my thing is, like, you know know let them be who they are and always represent who you are and if y'all end up doing music together then y'all just make it fun with both with both Atlanta and New York right yeah yeah so let me ask you Pete being from Mount Vernon, right? Mm-hmm. Like, Mount Vernon is always kind of known as the sixth borough, right? Yeah. Because it's technically not New York City, but it's New York.

Yes. Was that a burden on you, or was that a plus? Not at all. We were right next to the Bronx. Right next to the Bronx, yes. The Bronx, we kissing. Yeah. Mount Vernon and the Bronx.

Right there. Like a walk to the Bronx. Wow. From Mount Vernon and Bronx. Right there. Like a walk to the Bronx from Mount Vernon. So my thing is, it's just like, it's the hidden city in New York. You feel me? You know what I mean? Heavy D. Heavy D. First and peace, man.

Ozzy Davis. Wow. Ruby D. Wow. Felicia Rashad, Ahmad Rashad. Gus Williams. Gus Williams. The Knicks. You know what I'm saying?

Dick Clark. Wow. Went to Malvern High School. Wow. Denzel Washington. Wow. Wow. Come on, come on.

Nina Simone, too. Wow. Okay. Wow. So, yeah, man. He's special, bro. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Hold. So, yeah, man. He's special, bro. Yes. Hold on. You mentioned Heavy D. I feel like Heavy D hasn't got his just due with

all the celebration of Hip Hop 50. Well, it's because of him why I got started. A lot of people. A lot of people. A lot of people. He picked up the whole neighborhood and put him on his back. That's why I miss him so much. I love him so much. That was your cousin, Greg? Yeah. he took us all with him

yeah he was a force man took us with him yeah and he opened it up for like hip hopers in different ways cause yeah

as Tip said on that don't curse the bum diddly head is a favorite of my mamas like the bum diddly head is a favorite of my mamas used to

yo Heavy D was the one that took it to some people, like, took the music where older people, certain people, like, were like, oh, I actually like this music. Yeah. Because, you know, they used to be like rap. Like, what is that? But Heavy D. And if it wasn't for Hev, I wouldn't have probably been with Marley more. Wow.

You feel what I'm saying? How? Explain that. Because he pitched me at the time Marley needed a DJ on the radio in New York City on WBLS. What the fuck? I don't know the story. He said, yo, my cousin is dope. Listen to him.

Try him out. That's crazy. And he gave me a shot. And that's how I built my name in New York. Wow. Marley Mar. Yep. Shout out to Marley.

Yeah. Shout out to Marley. Shout out to Marley. Yeah, shout out to Marley. Shout out to Marley. Marley. Let me give you another one. This one blew my mind. We had DMC on here. Oh, yeah.

DMC said, P-Rock saved my career. You know what that means? Did you hear it from? You know what that made me feel like? I wanted to call you so much. Like, you know what that made me that was so dope but as a dj i understood what he was talking about with down with the king and everything that happened with those records yeah because that was in the beginning of my career and me and jay were like this with each other and when i met russell it was like, damn, I got to prove to these dudes.

Russell, Lior, I got something to prove. And so I felt like the first run up down with the King, Russell made some comments, and I was like, shit. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't good? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But it's all good because Jay was like, don't worry about it, Pete.

Don't worry about it. We're going to keep working on it. And then we did the beat. And actually, I don't know if people know this, but Jay alliterated the actual beat pattern he wanted. Right. So I was like, I just hit record and said, you do it. So what you hear on the record right now is jay's programming of the drums yeah and all i did was add to the wow rest in peace that was jay that made that fucking up my whole childhood

but i don't think what people understand about that record and what you did there and what dmc was trying to tell us is that you brought them up to speed to the newer generation. That wasn't an easy task to bring Run DMC into that world. No, because we were new, and when we had a hit record, we had remnants. Yeah, this is right here. And by the way, let me just say something. One of the greatest for sure. Me being Queens, I saw none of this.

I always thought that they never had a dry spell. And when he said that, that's what I'm saying, he fucked up my childhood. Because I was like, what? And he was like, yo, Pete Rock saved. And he said it again. I tried to give him a drink. It didn't work. I was like, are you sure?

And he was like, but you know, I'm not in the industry at this time. So 1DMC has always been the biggest. And he says, no, if it wasn't for Pete Rock, he reiterated what 1DMC is. You reinvented them is what it was. You reinvented them. I was like. I love DMC. I told y'all.

Yo, he's ill, man. That's my guy, JMJ. We were the closest when he was alive. I told y'all. Yo, he's ill, man. That's my guy. Jam J, we were the closest when he was alive. Me and J were really close. Jam Master J. Yo, what's crazy is my first chance at a record deal coming from Chicago, Jam Master J was going to sign me. But he decided, he told me at first, you're right,

he was one of the coolest brothers. Just dope. And, you know, coming from the crib, coming from Chicago, we was trying to get hurt. And somehow he got our demo because we sent the demos. So, you know, you used to look at the back of the records and send the demos. And he had JMJ Records. And he met with us and everything. He was like, man, I'm thinking about signing you.

But he decided not to. And he ended up going with Onyx, which wasn't a bad one. That's all good. Yeah, yeah. And then. I can see that. But he told me, yeah, it just made sense. And he was like, I ain't signing you too because you was over here.

Your manager's over here. Your producer's over here. But, man, he kind of like always would embrace me and share life. So when I hear stories about what you're saying, and then he programmed that, that's... Yo, that's crazy. I never knew that.

I was like, you do it. He said the beat, he's like... And I just said, all right, look, hit the record button. I said, just hit the snare, hit the kick,

just do it. Okay, but let me ask you, because the way DMC describes it, hopefully you saw the episode. If not, we'll send you the link. I see. I'm a dream champ now. We'll send you the link.

I saw everything. Because he describes it as if they were literally over, and you gave them, like, what? That's how he felt. That's how he said it. It was their album back from hell that didn't do well. Yeah felt that's how he said it was their album back from hell that didn't do well yeah that's the reason okay and so they came to me at that time and he said hip-hop had changed yes drastically at that time yes that's when we were brand new right so he came to me and you know we worked out some beats and down with the king was the one that you know i

started playing samples and records that's the first thing i do when you come see me i'm playing records right right you like that i want me to hook that up and that's how it goes i love that but did you know what he was saying like that that you was literally bringing their career back you knew that well I didn't know that but I when I heard him say it that shit made me feel good that shit made me feel good and he said

this is a group I'm a fan like I used to buy their records go run to the record store and bought so you literally saying you just produced this record

just to produce it no I produced it cause I wanted to yeah it would have been that was an honor for you to mess with one No, I produced it because I wanted to. Yeah, it would have been an honor. That was an honor for you to mess with Run DMC. I got a question, though, too. Yeah, let's be.

Come on. You can be the host now. Come on. You can switch. You know me. I'll be like, this be mine. This be mine. This be mine.

So who have you been in the studio with where you've been like, damn, I'm actually producing for this person? Run DMC. Run DMC. Nah, it's two. Run DMC. Run DMC. Nas too, but Run DMC, bro. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because they the Beatles of hip hop at that time.

They were like people that I would run to the record store to buy. They vinyl, like buying. I'm DJ P-Rock. I'm buying the record. You know what I'm saying? I stole Gazelle's. Man, Run DMC, man. He said he didn't wear Gazelle's. He said that.'m saying? I stole Gazelle's. Man, run DMC, man. He said he didn't wear Gazelle's.

He said that. They said he wore fake Gazelle's. It was horrible. He also destroyed my childhood. What? You mean fake Gazelle's? I put you in the store. I put you in the store.

You did everything. You went through all that. I used to ride my bike listening to Run DMC. Man, suck MC's and all that, man. That was... What about, okay, what about okay what about when y'all when y'all did world is yours because you're saying nice you mentioned that too was it like you played him the beat and he and he just like that's it or was it you know what

i had that beat already made hold on all right let me sit back no no that's his question yeah let me get ready for your answer. Oh, my God. I want to know this. So, you know, I had that beat already made. And when he came over, I pulled these discs out and started going through the discs and then found that one and played it. And then I was about to play, stick in another disc and play another beat. He was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And he just started doing this.

Oh, oh, okay. Like that. And then he had his composition book of rhymes, and he started going through the book. Was it a black and white book? He found a page, and he was like, and then he put the book down, and he was like, I want you to sing this.

Oh, he already did. Wait, tell me, you're going too fast. I want you to sing this. Oh, he already did. Wait, come on. You're going too fast. Hold on, hold on. So you're saying when you played Nasdaq B, he had his book as an MC. I need to know. Is it the black and white book? The black and white.

And he had that hook right now? That's a school kid's guy. Right now, I'm writing in my book of rhymes all the words, Pastor Nasdaq. Nice. Right, he's true. That's true. That line is crazy. So what? So then, you know, he's going to the book. I'm like, I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer.

I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer.

I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer.

I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer. I'm not a singer? I'll be doing that. Because you weren't doing vocals yet? Yeah, I wasn't like, like. So this is the first time Pete Rockets does vocals? I said, I'm not a singer. What do you want me to sing? Like, I don't sing. But I had this voice in hip hop where I would play around in the ad libs and be doing those stuff.

And I tried it out, and they liked it. But how did you first know the ad libs? Because that shit was like, that's, you were one of the first people that like, and really one of the only, what other producers, y'all might know, but what other producers on their beats did ad-libs? Yeah, I only think of, and it's not a producer necessarily, it's Puff that would do that. Y'all want to know where I got that? The ad-lib shit from James Brown. He used to talk on his records.

Yeah, your ad-libs is your signature. Yo, ad-libs is like hooks. Like, we like, for real. Like, my God. Like, I can listen to Straighten It Out. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, I know them ad-libs.

Like, that shit is amazing. And the joint. Let's talk about the joint. Me, you, and this man did. Yeah, bro. Old Survivor. Come on, yo. man did. Yeah, bro. Soul survivor. Come on, yo. The joint which you wanted.

Come on. And him. Hold on. Hold on. We're going to get back to that. All right. Come on. We're going to get back to that.

I got to take a leak, man. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I had some great shit. That's the bomb right there. That was like the illest collaboration right there. Yeah. Yes.

What? The pun? Nori and Pun on the same beat. On a Pete Rock beat. They were common. That's crazy. So can you explain them the rules like how Paul explained you and all?

All right, guys. This is our, well, I don't know. Are you guys going to drink wine as you shot? You can drink wine. Oh, you can. This is my choice. No, don't know. Are you guys going to drink wine as you're shot? You can drink wine. This is my choice. All right, you just take a sip. It's cool. So this is our drinking game.

We're going to give you two choices, right? I'll take two. You didn't play this back then. No. Not when I first came on. Yeah, you pick one of the two, and nobody drinks. I was smoking. If you say both or neither, the politically correct answer...

Is that my call? We all drink it. We all take a shot. All right, all right. And if there's a story that goes along with somebody we mentioned, please. It's not anything negative about anybody. We just want to mention people. All right.

We good. This shit fun. This shit fun, bro. I'm going to start with you. That's my car? That's a crazy alarm. That's my car, man. Turn off your car, bro.

Nah, that's not my car. I asked twice. I thought it was. Yo, no, so you, I mean, we got to wait till that, don't we? We good niggas. We good niggas. We got this. We got this.

We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We got this. We don't care. It'd be,

you know, okay. Tupac or DMX? Whichever criteria. Whatever reason for you. Tupac for me. man, Tupac hit like,

he hit an emotional thing that I, that I feel like we hadn't heard in hip hop. Like for, and he was like, man, I don't know.

I think he, he tapped into. And you met Tupac, correct? Yeah, for sure. And he was like, man, I don't know. I think he tapped into... And you met Tupac, correct? Yeah, for sure. And he tapped into black consciousness and gave black men, including black and Latino people, because that was our culture, but he

spoke to that. Where he was from, you kind of related to him in some way or another. And he just had a heart to him and could do different types of records. And I feel like, you know, Tupac, DMX, and a lot of people, to me, were influenced by Tupac. Yeah, you're right. Like an extension of it.

It probably wouldn't be DMX. Yeah, so I got to go with Pac. Here's where I get off. Tupac's a Gemini and DMX is from Mount Vernon. Oh, shit. You taking a shot? You taking a sip? Take a sip.

We all got to take a sip. All right. Can we skip this one? You got the next one? No, no, no. We skipped it. Because I love them both. This is definitely for you. They wrote this love them both. This is definitely for you.

They wrote this for you personally. This is a good one. By the way, this is the Colombian and Dominican. Okay. It's going to be easy. You know what? I don't think it's going to be easy. I don't think it's going to be easy.

When he asked you, can you predict it? I don't think it's going to be easy. You want to text it to me? The first one. The first one. No, okay. the first one of the two names he's gonna say no id or kanye oh man when i walked in, y'all was playing Resurrection. Yes. I got to, yo, no idea. Man. Beast. He's a bad dude, man. Beast.

Like, them records was, I was like, damn, Dion snapped on them beats. Yep. So I'm going to give it up for no idea on that. It felt like y'all was a group the way that I felt. It did. Y'all came out as common sense, like you came out, but it felt like it was a group. Yeah, I mean, I know him since fourth grade. Like fourth grade.

So he started making beats when we was in high school. I was rhyming already. And then he just, you know, was able to start making whatever records he got. And then he eventually started getting around, like, that's where we're going to the record conventions and stuff. And that's where we were able to get to Resurrection. stuff and that's where we go see George the resurrection yeah George is Chicago yeah that's how I'm in the room I think that's how I was right all right um this is for you no no no next one is for you yeah yeah I'm gonna keep you

gonna stay with you the brat or Eve I'm gonna go with it. I'm going to stay with you. The brat or Eve? I'm going to go with Eve, man. I mean, I know y'all think I'm going to pick my Chicago sister. It's love to her. But, man, Eve had a little more, like, just rhyme to her. Like, she could rhyme. And I don't know. She had a little more style to her. You know, I don't know if it was just because of the East Coast thing that she had with her, being from Philly. But I don't know if it was just because of the East Coast thing

that she had with her, being from Philly. But I don't know. I think her records, I gravitated to more than the Brats. And all respect to my West Side girl, but I'm just telling the truth. That's for real. My truth. Now we're going with you now.

They wrote this, not me. Okay. Alchemist or RZA? Optimist? Alchemist Alchemist or RZA? Come on You can say both or you can say neither I love them both

You know, like I love them both But I've been loving Alchemist a lot Lately Didn't Alchemist jump in this beef too? Yes. Yeah, he did. He did the one. Meet the Grams.

Meet the Grams. Meet the Grams, yeah. Kendrick shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he didn't produce it for that. He said he had given the beat a while ago. You can't say that now. That's it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.

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That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. I'm saying. Yo, I'm saying. He rocked, man. He rocked with that. I'm making a big money. He rocked. He wasn't that. No, he made me mad. He made me mad. What are you talking about? That's so bullshit. You was driving him around.

He was trying to get hip-positive, and he made you. He made me mad. Come on, man. He's just fire. Yo. Are we taking a shot for that? No. He picked.

He picked. He picked. Okay, okay. Timbo or Pharrell? Timbo and Pharrell. I like Pharrell. You take that one, too. Yeah, we want you to have that.

I'm going to go with Pharrell, too, man. Man, Pharrell, to me, been able to do some different type of records. Happy. Man, he can go from happy to super dope. Super dope. You know, to... He did, like, a song for me called Come Close, but then he can go a lot of places with the music. Like, you know, so Pharrell, he's just a song maker.

Yeah. They both super dope. I know they from Virginia, but I'm going to go with Pharrell. Yeah. Yeah. That was Virginia on Virginia, but I'm going to go with Pharrell. Yeah. That was Virginia on Virginia Crime. Yes, sir. Oh, I like this one.

Chi-town. Lupe or Chance the Rapper? Oh, that's a tough one. That's a tough one. I remember when my daughter first played me Chance, which is funny. But Lupe is, man, I done heard Lupe in a lot of shit. I done heard him freestyle. I'm a big fan of Lupe.

Lupe, I done heard him like, man, I done heard him kick some rhymes where I'm like, yo, this shit is some of the best raps I've heard. Right. Like just really good raps. Right. So, I'm going to go with Lupe. I love both of them. And Soundtrack produced Lupe's stuff in the beginning. Oh, yeah. So, I was feeling some of those Lupe beats.

Lupe. The only thing I've ever critiqued Lupe on, period. Was the push kick? No. Is, um, they did a push kick? No. They did a, huh? The what? Yeah, when it was a Tribe Called Quest tribute.

And he didn't know those lyrics. I'm sorry, Lupe, because he's probably like, you keep bringing this shit up. And I'm sorry, Lupe. I promise you, I love you. It's just that one moment, like,

me being a tribe called Crest for nine years. Man, I'm a tribe. We New Yorked out. Yes, we were too. Tribes, tribes.

You can't fuck up tribes. Tribes, you should have turned it down and it wasn't going to work out. You know what? Like, I remember, and I know all of us met Fife.

That was big for a minute. But Fife, Fife was so competitive. Yeah. Phife see me one day because I said, Nori know this, and Nori know that, and Nori know Jack, and Nori bust that, and Nori bust that, and Nori bust that.

But I got that from Phife. Yeah. And Bo know this, and Bo know that. And I'm bigging Phife up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Phife sees me and goes, I'm a Jack with a yo lips. And you're like, I'm a jack one of your legs no ways about that like I know that that lyric was so famous that line is so famous yeah yeah

when you did it over okay the five did the five thing over, nobody was, like, nobody should be mad. God bless his soul, though. Fighters. No, Fighters competitors. He would've been ill with the Knicks stuff right now. Oh, no, that's what we talk about. Lions, Jets, Knicks, you know, all New York teams.

Even the Islanders and fucking Rangers. Yo, that's why I did this. You got a memory of Fighters? I did this, what? You know, we all New York team. We was Islanders and fucking Rangers. That's why I did this. You got a memory of fighting? I did this what? Well, yeah, man. Tell us, tell us. I mean, yeah, I remember like coming to the New Music Seminar, which was this thing they

used to have in New York, like being unsigned and seeing Tribe Called Quest. And I just was like, this was after they first album. They hadn't even did Low End Theory yet. Wow. And I was just like, they fight after their first album. They hadn't even did Low End Theory yet. Wow. And I was just like, Fife just said what's up. I wasn't known or nothing, but Fife and all them just said what's up. They wasn't trying to, we was crabbing them seeds to them probably. They wasn't trying to give too much love. But you felt like you was down with Native Tongue. Yeah, that's my family.

I definitely got like. But not at that point where he's not at this point. Yeah, at that point. This is 90, 1990. Okay, okay. So, in fact, I remember being there. I saw Law of Finesse, KRS, and Poor Righteous Teachers. Like, they was hosting the thing.

And then Leaders of the New School was about to perform. And something went out. And Busta came up and started beatboxing for Wise and Intelligent from Poor Righteous Teachers. Wow. And it was crazy, bro. And then KRS and Did you just say Busta Rhymes was beatboxing for

Wise and Intelligent? Wow. Wise and Intelligent from Port Righteous TV. And we gonna knock and make some noise for that? Yeah. Yo.

Yo. That's it. So that was like my first time getting to come to New York. I had like about 15 dudes from Chicago staying. We stayed in one hotel room, and we was just happy to be in New York.

And that was a new music seminar. That's when I saw Phife. And man, you know, Tribe is one of my favorite groups ever. It's like P-Rock, CL, Tribe. Well, I'm on Tribe's second album. I did the jazz joint. We got the jazz. We got the jazz.

That's why you say P-Rock on the beat. Yes, sir. What a short shot. That's like classic. Classic, yeah. I got to keep it with you because he better pick it this way. You can't. Don't leave the witness.

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It changed hip-hop. It has the greatest producers of hip-hop in that. On that album that writing to me is like

I know people, to me it's at the level of like when you study hundreds of years from now when people study writing and black literature and all that stuff like how Kendrick won a Pulitzer Prize you know what, give Large Professor his.

Absolutely. And we did. And we actually did. Yes. For pulling us together for this. Wait, so you're saying that was Large Professor's idea? Large Professor is the one who contacted every one of us. I didn't notice.

He contacted me, Primo. Wait, so he's the executive producer? He's the one that brought us all together. Was it his idea or Nas? I don't even think he claimed that. No, he didn't claim that. Do you think Nas said, yo, I want to work with Tito? Yeah, he probably did.

He probably did. But me and Lodge was already hanging with each other. I used to go to Gloria's on Flushing. I'm just hanging out. And then go to Green Line record store across the street from Coliseum in Queens.

I was always out in Queens. I love when he say on Just Hanging Out, I'll be up in Mount Vernon piecing with CL Smooth and Pete Rock making beats that's sharper than cleats.

Ooh! Extra beat, extra beat. But you know what? I have never heard what you just said. Yeah. L. Maddox is my favorite album of all time. Yeah.

Sometimes, like, when I, and that happens to be my friend. So sometimes I get, like, stalkery. I keep bringing it up. He be looking at me like, man. He be like, yo, you remember what you said? He don't you know yeah

but I had never heard what you just said yes so and just because I'm a little stalkery just because

of that you're telling me the first time you ever got a call about anybody named Nasir was through Lars Professor.

So you didn't even hear of who Nas was. Wow. So he had a lot to do. This was before Live at the Barbecue. No, no. Before Live at the Barbecue. After Live at the Barbecue. That's why the album gets famous.

Because that's when they came up with this, you know, like, yo, we're going to get this producer, this producer, this producer. But the fact that he even has him in Live at the Barbecue shows you how much Large Professor was involved in all of that. Yeah. But what's crazy on Live at the Barbecue, people gravitated more to Akineli than they did. I mean, at least, like, amongst my crew, we was

like, oh, that dude, he's doing that. And then you heard that verse, though. Which record was, when I was 12, I went to help with Snuckin' with Jesus? Five in the Barbecue. Five in the Barbecue? No. Yeah.

No, no, no. We're not already. Because I think Back to the Grill again means you go back to Life in the Barbecue. Back to the Grill again. It means you go back to it.

I think I had more of a personality, but that line fucked the industry up. When I was 12, I went to help with Snuckin' with Jesus. Because we didn't know if it was hard or I'm sorry, law. that line fucked the industry up when I was 12 I went to help with stuff in Jesus because we didn't know

if it was hard or I'm sorry I guess I was too I grew up in a church so I was like I grew up in a church so I didn't like that

I can't say this loud but I was like no he didn't say that that's when rap changed when he said that it was like yeah when he said that. It was like that. Yeah. When he said that.

But would you say Nas is, I mean, he is Nas. It's his own thing. But I would like to ask him this question, too. But just as we all fans of him. You can call him of anything. We all fans of him. I'll fix up. But would it be Koo G or Rakim that had the most,

when y'all hearing, like, Illmatic, would you say it's Coo... Most influence? Most influence. Nah, it's... It's not one or the other? Nah, it can't be one or the other because one...

It has to be one? I feel like Coogee Rapp. It's both of them. No, no, no, no, no, no. I feel Coogee Rapp. The fact how Rakim put his words together with intelligence... Right.

But still hood that's one million percent not one million percent the storytelling and all that but when it comes to G-Rap when G-Rap says something L Street Blues you knew what he was talking about

and that's how Nas got together so like I can't say I can't say I would take a shot for that you making me drink listen but he's texting the question

he can't respond before we leave oh I'm not only texting him the question I'm sending him this footage I'm sending him this footage for him to respond but what makes it

official is when Nas and G-Rap do the joint together oh yeah that's how you know that he was influenced by G-Rap that's why I think G-Rap do the joint together. Oh, yeah. That's how you know that he was influenced by G-Rap. That's why I think G-Rap had a little bit more influence on him.

Come on, take your shot, motherfucker. The reason why, hey. Come on, son. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I feel like, I'll take my shot, too. I feel like what you're saying, too, because, like, what I'm saying when Nas changed the way niggas was rhyming. What?

Cats wasn't doing them three-syllable things like rappers are monkey flipping. What the funky rhythm, Bobby? Musician and flipping composition. A cane, I like Scarface. Slipping cocaine. Ordering an M16. And with the pandemic strain. Throw bullet holes.

Left in your peepholes. Suiting up in street goals. Hand me a nine and I'll defeat foes. Y'all know my Steve. You know, without the airplane, I keep some ENJ. Say I've been up in the stairway. But that's some cool G-hat type of syllabus. That's all cool G-rat.

That's all cool G-rat. That's my scheme is cool G-rat. To tell you the truth, if you was to tell me, if I was to have to bet, to say the two MCs that influence Ill Madge the most, I would say G-Rap and Rakim. You know what I mean? What's the two MCs

that influence you the most? I'm going to fuck you up. G-Rap and Biz Markie. Ooh! I'm going to get Biz. You know what I'm saying? Biz. What and Biz Markie. Ooh! I'm thinking Biz. Biz, Biz. What? Biz had fun.

Like, when I did the War Report, I'm not, you asked me, so I'm not making this about me, but when I did the War Report, I was angry. Yeah. It's an angry man. Yeah.

It's the War Report. I listened to that. I'm like, I don't like this guy. This guy is not my friend. I wouldn't introduce myself to me. Like, this nigga, the 46-year-old version of me, if I see the 21-year-old version of the War Report, I would walk the other way.

No, but you get flowers for War Report. Yes, of course, yes. Yeah, you get that. But it was, and you said two, but I'm yeah. Yeah, you get that. But it was, and you said two, but I'm going to give you three. Okay. And no one ever sees this in my style

because I want to be the exact opposite of my hero. It was an emcee called Granddaddy IU. Ooh, you were smooth. Granddaddy IU. You were smooth. And I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again. He changed my whole life.

He made one rhyme. He said, I knew a girl named Kenya from West Virginia. Boy, would I like to stick something in her. I don't know what the fuck he meant or what he said or how he said it. But that shit right there, I said I want to be him. So granddaddy, I ain't heard his name in a minute.

I love it. Yo, yo, listen to me. That's my only thing. It's two things I regret in hip hop right now. Look, look, look. And I'm throwing it right back to y'all. I'm trying to make it up. All of them got to do a pick.

They say that. It's the same exact thing. Yeah. My mother asked me one day. She said, I want to meet... I want...

She called me. She said, I want you to do something. I want you to meet somebody. And I was like, Ma, I think she's going to ask me to meet Michael Jackson,

Prince. I'm like, I ain't that big, Ma. Like, yo, you... I'm looking at BET too much. Like yo you Looking at BET too much Like you know what I mean And you know what she says I want to meet Big Pun

And I go Pun is my brother Like I don't rush this At all I'm like Ma You pick low hanging fruit You know what I'm saying I got that Meet you Pun Pun dies two weeks later you picked low-hanging fruit. You know what I'm saying? Like, I got that. Like, you know, I'm going to meet you.

Pun dies two weeks later. Damn. And the only other thing that I regret in hip-hop right now is that I didn't give Big Granddaddy RU his flowers on drink time. I gave him his flowers, period. Like, he knows

he's my favorite MC. Like, when he introduces himself, he say, I'm granddaddy. He be like, people be like, you're the nigga Nori be talking about. Because I always did that. But those are my two things that I regret. Coach Schiller. Coach Schiller. My man.

Come on, let's get back to Quick Time. No, no, no. We need to hear two influences for you. OK, I ain't going to stop at two. I'm going to give you three. Give me three. First, I would start going to stop at two. I'm going to give you three. Give me three. First, I would start with Rakim. Rakim was like the first.

He was the dude that made me be like, man, I want to be a rapper. I'd already been rhyming, run DMC and all that. But Rakim, when I heard, because I had never heard nobody rap in their voice, like in that way that he was doing. Did you realize he didn't curse? He didn't curse? Which is crazy. Did you realize that? I didn't realize that.

Because it sounded so hardcore. It's so hardcore. And he was opening my mind up and I didn't even know some of the stuff he was saying, but it just resonated with my soul. Rock him. KRS-One.

Right, KRS-One. Because this dude, I was like, I hadn't even heard what vegetarian was. Right. Point of note, for real, y just like, I hadn't even heard what vegetarian was. Point of, I'm for real, y'all. I'm a true youngster and a vegan. But I didn't know what vegetarian was until K.R. Russell and them started talking about blah, blah, blah.

Because, like, no, we in Chicago. We eating what we eat. Right, right. But, man, then I got to say Big Daddy Kane. Because there was something about Kane. I loved the similes that he would kick. You know, like, I want you to eat and feed me dope. And you know, like, the stuff that he would say to us.

Like, these punchlines. I loved his lines. It's crazy. But the fourth, who actually, like we talked about already, I got to give Nas his. Because Nas was like. Right. I got to give Nas his because Nas was like and after those people that like were the foundation Nas was the one that made me like

be my age but I was like oh this the level you got to run man? Right. You got to be at this level. He raised the bar. Yeah he raised the bar so I got to

I had to get four. Alright yeah I'm going to cheat like you. I got to throw Nas in there too. Now P-Rock. I'm going to say I'm going to cheat like you. I got to throw Nas in there, too. Yeah, yeah. Now, P-Rock. Right. I'm going to say James Brown. I'm going to say Big Daddy Kane. I'm going to say Marley Ma. And Heavy D.

Wow. Did Marley Ma event sample him? Yeah. It's Marley. He sampled records. Like, people, I mean, guess and before molly came out people were sampling but like it was done differently but he brought a new procedure the way that it was explained to us by some i forgot who told is it he he sampled in the in the way that it sounded like the original way that DJs were looping breaks. He brought that now to

the modern age. And did it with precision, man. That's one of the things that I admired about his beats. Anytime, you know, I would be right there with my pause button, with the radio, listening to Mr. Magic and listening and waiting for Marley saying

yo, I got something new I did with Big Daddy King. Dennis ain't no half step. God damn. Listening and waiting for Marley saying, yo, I got something new I did with Big Daddy Kane. Dennis ain't no half step. God damn. Hey, P, is the bridge, is that a sound or is that a record you think? Like that. That's this record called Scratching. It's an old school break beat.

Yeah. And he took the part that said, and made it go backwards. Molly, I'm a fan just because of that little incident right there. Love your bop. The Bridge is the ultimate Queens record. the bridge is the ultimate queen's record and for him to put that sound in it and whenever i hear that sound i think about queens all right period you know what's crazy we just had charlie chase on here and i asked charlie chase i was like um

because mc shan says on the record hip-hop started out in the park. And I'm like, could it be a chance that Shan just, you know, he saw it, that this was the park it started out in? Like, no. You're just saying it started out in the park. Basically, I'm trying to claim queens. I'm trying to claim queens. I'm trying to save shit. You'm trying to claim Queens. I'm trying to save shit. Y'all better take it all.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very true. You know what? I always felt like between the bridges over and the bridge, I felt they were both gigantic records. They were. With all this of Karis one, you know, doing that. But that bridge joint stabbed y'all.

And y'all should thank Molly for that. We thank Molly and Shan. We don't forget Shan either. We don't forget Shan. Okay, hold on. We're going to get back to it quickly. We got to play them wise up. Of course.

I'm going to ask you, and I'm going to ask you, this is both of y'all's questions, because y'all all represent the light-skinned delegation and the brown delegation. Let's see what's going on here. Kendrick Lamar or Drake? Man, I'm going to go.

Are you talking about the battle or just overall? Whatever you want. I mean, Kendrick Lamar is more to what I love as just an emcee. So I'm going to go with Kendrick, but I do want to say, and this ain't politically correct for me, to be honest. I feel like at times when Drake rhymed, like I heard this 8 a.m. in Charlotte, and I was like, this dude can rhyme when he get over certain beats. And I'm like, when he choose to rhyme, he can rhyme. But Kendrick Lamar is an MC that I will put, like I said, as one of the top MCs in any era.

Like, if I put him in 80s, he would be one of the greatest. If I put him in 90s, he would be one of the greatest. If I put him in 90s, he'd be one of the greatest. If I put him in this, to me, he possesses that type of aura and lyrical, like, skill, point blank. I like when people can go to different styles, too. That ain't always easy. Like, to me, that's when you are telling, you being, you got lyrics, but then you also a musician too because

like certain people and I got a I got a theory that I don't know how true it is but I believe that a lot of producers rhyme better to beats than some MCs

because they just rhythmically they be cheating the producers I know when I hear Pete when I hear Pete on certain stuff

I'm like I say his rap more than I do I heard him on a new project. He crazy. Damn. He crazy with it. But then, like, I'm saying, like, Large Pro, Tip Q-Tip.

Yep. Pharrell. Pharrell. Ye. Ye. Ye. Like, I've been on songs with producers, and I'm like. I like Ye.

Ye is incredible, man. And the thing is, like, I can be giving all my MC shit, but if somebody like Ye, I'm on a song with him, and the crowd will say all his lyrics, because they just, producers know how to rock the beat. Yeah, they know how to cadence. They know how to cadence and not over-rap shit. Sometimes that comes from making practice, you know,

making beats all the time and working with artists that you. But you got to answer this question, motherfucker. Yeah, like, you know, making beats all the time and working with artists that you... But you got to answer this question, motherfucker. Yeah, like... What's going on? You ain't going to get away from the question. I'm talking about MCs, too.

Oh, okay, but... You know, when I'm making beats, I'm trying to rap like them. You know what I'm saying? I'm like... And to myself, and I'm like... But Drake or Kid Jigma?

Oh, oh. You know I'm going to roll with the Gemini, even though I love Drake, too, but I'm going to roll with Kendrick. I'm like Team Kendrick all day. And I'm on to P with the Gemini, even though I love Drake, too. Okay. But I'm going to roll with Kendrick. Okay. I'm like Team Kendrick all day.

And I'm on to Pimple Butterfly, so. Let me ask you, and this is off topic. You got one beat to make. God comes to you and say, this is it. You going to live forever. Yeah. You got one beat left to make. Wow.

Yeah, this is a fucked up question. I ain't going to lie. I'm going to take a shot for you. Listen, because I'm feeling wrong asking this. I'm not asking. I don't need that. No, no. I want it. You got one beat to make. don't need that. No, no. I want you.

You got one beat to make. That means God's a hip hop head. Yeah. He's definitely a hip hop head. He definitely is. He's definitely a hip hop. But you got one and he like,

Pete, you're going to live forever but you got one beat to make. But it's on you who to give it to. Who do you give the last Pete Rock beat ever made?

This is a fuck the grab. I'm going to take a shot. You can't say one of the others. Hold on, let me take a shot. I'm just going to take a shot. I'm just going to take a shot. Yo, one last beat. You can't say both of them.

Let me make it easier for you. Let me make it easier for you. Dead or alive, you could bring James Brown back. I'm going to bring Biggie back. Oh, I knew you was going to say that. I made it too easy for you.

I made it too easy for you. I'm going to bring Biggie back. Your last beat that you could ever make. Yep, it would be for Biggie. Damn, I'm taking a shot because I knew that's what you were going to say. I got a question for him, too. Okay, cool. Let's go.

You're the third host of Drink Champs at this point. Let's go. On my back. If it's a beat. No, I'ma have to remove rim in this, because you would probably. If it's a beat that you would be, I'm bouncing off what you said.

Let's go. A beat that you, they said, this beat define P-Rock, and the beat that you would want to be remembered my bye It tells yours. Oh you are Remove reminisce. I got a remove remember cuz I knew you was going the world is your God comes to you and says, Common, we know you are a lyrical genius.

You want to fight with everybody. But you got one verse left. One verse. Not to people who remember you, Bob, but just literally one verse left. One verse. Not to people who remember you, Bob, but just literally one verse. What artist would that be with? If I could do a verse with an artist. You have to pick one feature.

And by the way, again, how I helped him out, dead or alive. It's too easy. It's too easy. Okay. I got a trick for your aspect. Who y'all say? No. I helped him out dead or alive it's too easy it's too easy okay I got a trick for your ass

who y'all say I got respect for Pac but I'm going to go with Nas Nas is probably my favorite

MC I ain't even going I ain't got that right that's fine you know that's fine I like that if we remove Nas I'm going to say Biggie I'm going to say Biggie favorite MC. I ain't even gonna I ain't gotta. That's fire. That's fire. I like that.

If we remove Nas, then I'm gonna stay big. I'm gonna stay big. Y'all need to do a joint album together, you and Nas. With P-Rock. With me producing. We want our publicity just a little slight. That's it. We don't want no publicity. You can't go no other way in New York if I'm not involved.

Yeah. That would be a mean project. That would be crazy. Yo. Yo. What? Getting them beats from Pete, I'm like, yo, he said something. Tell him, man.

We going to play y'all this joint. Yes. Yo, we playing it. These beats, they sound fresh. I'm like, yo, Pete is timeless. But there was one beat that we did. It's one of the first joints we were releasing called Wise Up. And we're speaking of the bridge.

Anyway, he was like, man, this is a New York beat. It's just a New York beat. And I couldn't help but think about, like, yo, I'm a Chicago MC over a New York beat. It kind of took me to what Cube did with the Bomb Squad. But it don't sound like. Right, right. I can get that analogy.

But you know what I'm saying? I'm going to get my perspective of Chicago, but it's over these New York sounding soulful just beats, hip hop. Listen, the joints I heard off the project, they rival everything that you guys did here that's classic material. Wow. Like it's not, I'm not just bullshitting you. This shit is phenomenal. Thank you, bro. They rival everything that you guys did here that's classic material. Wow. Like, it's not, I'm not just bullshitting you.

This shit is phenomenal. Thank you, brother. He don't listen to that. None of these new niggas. He is mad old school. That means a lot. That means a lot. I hope you guys

do everything with the project. Oh, yeah. The visuals. We in full support. Let me say, I'm like, yo, this project, like, is what, I've been wanting to be on Drink Champs, but like I'm happy to come on Drink Champs with a project like this. This is fire.

Like this is what I was supposed to do. Did they hear you? Oh, no, you got to hear, I got you in the ride. Oh, shit. I want to be in the video. I want to be in the video. Come on. I'm going to put him in the ride.

Yeah, tell me when you're filming the video. I might to be in the video. Come on. I'll put him in a ride. Tell me when y'all film in the video. I might pay for it. I'm not sure. You shooting it? Kareem shooting it? We don't put that much of it. I'm high.

Let's do it. Kareem shooting it. Once Kareem volunteered, the budget went down. I'm fucking with you. That's my man. Him, Kareem, and Drain, he's our president. We respect. Give it up. And Cam.

No, no, no. You don't know why you're clapping. We give it up for them workers. No, no, no. This is all, what is it called? This is United Nations staff. Yes, but the haters of the Knicks. Just so you know. Just so you know. You'm just saying you know.

You didn't know why you was clapping. You didn't know why you was clapping. No, but that's my family. That's my family. So it's only me and you? Yeah, it's only, oh, yeah. We, we, we. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got this, FOT. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. All right, guys. For the Knicks game, I got love for y'all Knicks fans. Yes. But y'all only going but so far. Yo!

Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo going but so far. Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo! Yo, we knew he was going to flip. We knew he was going to flip. And he got a hard one.

And he got a hard one. He's smart. Get that. Take a picture of the Knicks tickets to all the Knicks fans here. Hey, by the next ticket, all the next tickets. Hey, by the next ticket. Why? By the way,

let me tell you what makes Common foul. I'm literally the next seat across the seat. It's literally him. Literally. This is the best seats in the house. Oh, my God.

Me and Common, and he says this. Y'all want the truth. Y'all want the truth? Y'all want the truth? No, y'all don't want the truth. No. I like the truth, though. I like the truth.

But I like to prove people wrong. Yes. Yes. I'm cheering for y'all. I'm cheering for y'all. I'm cheering for y'all. OK, I got nothing. We got this.

It's for you, too. Again. Hold on, guys. Hold on. We're trying to get through a quick time of the clock. Smoking Aces or John Wick 3? Where the fuck? Oh, okay.

Ooh. For both of us? This is ding-a-mo. Okay. Ooh, man. I'm going to... Man. Smoking Aces'm a... Man. Smoking aces was hard.

Man. That shit was hard. The reason why I got to give it up for smoking aces, because that was my first movie. That was your first movie? That was my first movie. When you shot Artie Gold, because that was Artie Gold.

Oh, yeah, yeah. You saw Artie Gold, yeah. You know, I'm a part of that shit. Yo, and that was like... That was the first time I, you know, I've been auditioning for a lot, a lot. I've been doing a lot of auditioning. Nah, that can't have been your first movie, man.

That's my first movie. You killed that shit. Thank you, bro. That was your first movie? Well, American Gangster was dope, but the only real action you did was run when the cops came. I forgot that part. American Gangster was dope. That's how they get this dope.

But Smokin' Aces was like, yeah, man, I got to go with Smokin' Aces. Let me tell you, that was my first movie. It was the first time I got a call back right before I got that audition. I went on another audition. They told my agent, man, he green. I mean, he ain't ready. I'm about to show them boys what it is. I got that call back. I remember flying. I was doing some wow. I was like, I'm about to show them boys what it is. I got that call back.

I remember flying from, I was doing some music. I was performing in China. Came back, did the audition, got the role. I was about to be on tour with Kanye and Keisha Cole. And I got the call like, man, yo, we're giving you the movie. And I'm like, wow. And then I had to go. I was geeked up.

I'm literally calling my mama like, mom, I'm like, wow. And then I had to go. I was geeked up. Like, I'm literally calling my mama like, Ma, I'm in a movie. Da, da, da. And I had to go five minutes later. And I ain't going to lie. I was teeing up. Because I was like, this was a, I'd been working on acting for a long time. This was my first time.

I had to go to the next room. Kanye was standing in the hotel room next to him. I can't go on tour with him. And he was like, and I had already, we had already booked the tour. And he was like, and this is what I knew. He was my brother. He was like, yo, if that's your dream, man, you got to do it. You got to do it.

That's your dream. And I, and I went, did that. So Smokin' Aces, man, that shit had Taraji. It had Alicia Keys. It had Ryan. Ray Liotta. Ray Liotta. Woo, good fellas.

It had Justin Bateman from Ozark. It had Chris Prine who played fucking Star Trek. The Beast Dog. Yo, this before Cats even became who they were. That's why I thought this had to be like your seventh movie. Like, you killed it. You killed it so much. When you just said that just now, you fucking me up.

Because I'm trying to think. And that was your first one. But let me, the only underline of Jim I'm going to say, too, that was like, the producer, I mean, no, the director, writer-director, he was playing Jay Dilla on the set. Wow. And at the time, Jay Dilla was my roommate. And we was like, he was going through a lot, like, health-wise. Yeah, yeah.

And, man, he didn't know I knew J. Dilla. He didn't know J. Dilla was my roommate. Wow. He just was playing Dilla on the set. Wow. Playing Dilla. And I was like, yo, you know how certain things happen? You're like, I'm in the right place.

Yeah. That's how I felt about Smokin' Aces. That's why Smokin' Aces would be that. Even though more niggas come to me about John Wick than Smokin' Aces. Smokin' Aces. Smokin' Aces is fun. That's why smoking aces would be that. Even though more niggas come to me about John Wick than smoking aces. Smoking aces is fucking... That shit was dope. These are two of my favorite entities right here.

Oh, yeah. Guru or Big L? I'll go to you first. These are some fucked up questions. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. I agree. I mean... I got Yes, they are. I agree. I mean, God bless you.

Rest in peace to both. Yeah. Right. But I ain't going to front Guru. Maybe for me, Guru, just because, I don't know, he would get on these different topics, ex-girl to next girl, like street ministry. These are the words that are manifest. It was like a lot of different like

thoughts in his stuff and his voice was phenomenal yeah and um you know point blank we we in if we emcees benefit off the fact that we on dope beats right like you know that just make you like and we always knew him about the voice like so he had the song the voice it's the voice mostly the voice that's my yeah the voice and yo so i'm song, The Voice. It's The Voice, mostly The Voice. That's my shit. Yeah, The Voice. Yo, so I'm going to go with Guru, but rest in peace to both of them. Big L was a cold monster. He was incredible.

Super cold. Same to you, P-Rock. I'm going to say both on that one. Because, you know, I worked with both of them. I'm going to take a shot, though. Take a little bit. You worked with both of them. Big L, yes, I worked with both of them. I'm going to take a shot now. I'm going to take a little bit of... You worked with both of them? Big L, yes, I worked with both.

And, you know, Big L was like... I remember going to pick... I had just bought a Honda Accord. Brand new. This was early in my career. Like, I just was starting to get my bones. Right. And so I went and picked him up in Harlem. I had two cassettes of beats right from our

journey when i put the tape in he started to rhyme and never stopped until we came to the last stop wherever we was we went he went off the top we went to big l we drove to brooklyn we drove to harlem we drove to mount vernon right He just rapped the whole time. I lied to y'all, I'm not. Big L. Yes. I'm playing beats. I got beats. I'm P-Rock. I got beats. I'm playing cassettes full of beats. I want to know what

color the Honda Accord was. Black. Black. I can see this. I can see it. I had the system in there. Y'all paying totals too. I had rims on it. That car right there was hella hip-hop driving. I had rims on it. That car right there was hella hip hop. I had rims on that shit. Man, listen, that's why he did the drive with me, because the system was crazy. Imagine you had social media back then.

It was just y'all. Just us. Just us. Just us and them and Peter had that shit. That footage. That's crazy. Think about some of the unreleased joints that, like, the rhymes that probably never came out. Just like JMJ when we were practicing DJing in my basement.

Like, it's on tape and I lost it. The lost tape. Oh, man. I lost the videotape or somebody stole it. You know what I'm saying? Somebody stole it. It's going to pop off. Somebody got that shit.

Somebody got it. You want this one too? I feel like you want it. I feel like we kind of, well, no. We'll do it together? Go ahead. Okay. I don't know how together this works. You say what I say. Rock him or KRS-One.

Y'all went to the hardest ones. Yeah, that's it. You see how I'm sitting there thinking. I'm trying to concentrate. I'm trying to concentrate. I love it. Damn. Damn. It's like, come on, man.

Yeah. Y'all see, I ain't said both on neither. I ain't drank on that. I mean, I'm like, you just pick it. Yeah, yeah, you trying to pick, yeah. Trying to pick. Well, it's the components are already in your soul, bro. Yeah, yeah. Lock him in, and them I'm trying to pick. Well, it's the components are already in your soul, bro. Yeah.

Rock him and them two dudes is in your soul. And the teacher. Man, fuck, man. I'm going to say, I'm going to go with KRS-One, man. I'm going to go with KRS-One. And I'm going with KRS because it's like, I grew up going to a church, right? It was Unapologetically Black Unashamedly Christians Black Church. That's the name of the church?

No, it was called Trinity United Church of Christ. Like, damn, that's a ill name. That was like the motto. That's what we saw when we walked into it. Trinity? Unapologetically Black Unashamedly it. Trinity. Unapologetically black. Unashamed nigga. No. He go to the white church. Don't follow him on Instagram. He let me down on all type of pages.

I look at his Instagram live on church Sunday. I'm like, nigga, you is the Dominican Dominican at the whitest of the whitest church. What the fuck is going on? I'm sorry, my bad. I only brought it up. I only brought it up. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad.

I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad.

I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm sorry, my bad. I'm like, nigga, you is the Dominican Dominican at the whitest of the whitest church. What the fuck is going on? But I only brought it up. I'm sorry, my bad. I only brought it up. My bad. I like that. My bad.

But I only brought that up because KRS, and why is that? I learned books of the Bible from him. Or just the descendancy of Abraham. Abraham was the father of Isaac. Isaac was the father of isaac isaac was the father of jacob jacob had 12 sons and for real these were the children of israel yeah like all of it wasn't even rhyming but i was singing that learning it and it just was dope right and it's like no and and you know y'all got me right there, because them two are really, let me say, Rock Himmler is the reason I'm rhyming, too.

Like, but I don't know. I don't care if Rest of the Six. I'm going to take a shot. I'm going to take a shot. I'm going to take a shot. Wait, wait, wait. P-Rock, you said both two? I'm going to say that both of them put a strong hold

on New York City altogether. No, we're taking shots. You have two different styles, right? I'm taking shots. Shot, shot, shot. I'm taking shots on that. Let me, let shots. You have two different styles, right? I'm taking shots. Shot, shot, shot. I'm taking shots on that. Let me, let me. You have two different styles.

I'm re-nigging. Yes, yes, yes. You have Rakim with the paid in full, drug dealer shit, you know, fucking, you know, just the New York dark streets and those rhymes is just so sick. And then, you know,

with KRS, it's just like, rah, rah. Like, I went to a show at Union Square where Brooklyn went nut. He's like the epitome

of an MC. I got one for y'all. Union Square is Brooklyn and the Bronx go at it in Union Square, bro. I got one for y'all. At the stage in Union Square. When he's performing,

they niggas are throwing chairs and bottles. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was real. So that's New York style. That's New York style. So I can't pick between carolers. I'm going to throw one for y'all. Please.

These ain't the same type of MCs, but these two MCs I love, so I'm going to put it out there. Okay. Grand Pool Bar or Big Daddy King? Ooh. You asking me? for y'all. Please. These ain't the same type of MCs, but these two MCs, I love. So I'm going to put it out there. Okay. Grand Poobah or Big Daddy Kane? You asking me? All of us.

My eyebrows fucked up because of Big Daddy Kane. Well, Poobah wrote my first songs ever. Poobah? What? Wait a minute. But that doesn't mean

Rakim gets a slight. No, Big Daddy Kane. It was Poobah. No, but he said Poobah wrote some of his first rhymes ever. That's wild.

I've been wondering. Wait a minute. What the fuck? What have they created? He wrote Poobah. Is this Brand Nubian Poobah? Brand Nubian Poobah. Tommy Hilfiger Poobah.

New Rochelle Malvern. I'm saying that when he's down with Brand Nubian or after? As a matter of fact, Jamal and Sadat was in the basement. Ah. Ah. was with as a matter of fact Jamal and Sadat was in the basement when he made his claim for me to rap he's like yo I want you to rap I want you to say this to this beat that you just made he wrote the creator the creator yes what about um the one um on shut him down anyway so no I wrote all that. Everything after Pooh, but I wrote myself.

Your verse on Shut Them Down is crazy. I love that shit. I love that. Because I'm a huge public enemy fan. That means a lot to me because I wrote that myself. So that remix is bananas. I wrote it myself.

Bananas. Oh my God. I'm about to go. So, oh shit. Okay, all right then. Pete, we got it on you. Yep. All right, um, hmm.

This is like a producer question, too. Okay. The Chronic or Doggystyle? Oh, easily the Chronic, because the Chronic inspired the Doggystyle. I love how you answered that, so professional. Yeah, Chronic started everything. Well, yeah, you definitely don't have the doggy style without the chronic.

You don't have the doggy style. That was easy. That was easy. Give me a hard one, bro. Okay, I do. You ever work with Dre? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, he rapped over my beat. Him and Corrupt. You know what I'm saying? Oh, wow. If you go to YouTube, type in Pete Rock, Corrupt, Dr. Dre. Wow. You'll see. Join or come, Corrupt, Dr. Dre. Wow. You'll see. Join will come up.

God damn it. I got one for you. Go ahead. Marley Mar or Primo, and specifically on their style of making beats. Wow. No other. You got to go just on that. I have to give it up.

Well, I'll say Marley for inspiration, but I have to really give my vote to DJ Premier. It's really funky with it. Like, he's just funky. Like, you could tell we both are James Brown fans. So that's where we get it from. You know what I'm saying? And so his cadence, when he makes beats, he'll take the littlest sound, the littlest sound. Living Proof, to be give you an example.

Living Proof is just look what it did in New York. Which is what you liked about Marley with the bridge. Yeah, yeah. Marley, the same thing with the bridge. Little, they taking little samples, not even a bar.

Making it make Right. Right. Little, they taking little samples, not even a bar. Right. And making it make, making it. Make it, make it crazy. Make it anthem. Anthem. Stuff you'll never forget, bro. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a lean on Primo. Right. I'm a.

And Primo, I'll be honest. Um, I've worked with every producer, almost every, not that I mean that I say every producer, but the most frustrated I've ever been in the studio is with Premiere. For real? In a good way, in a good way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Primo will make a beat, I will write a whole rhyme to it, and they'll be like, I don't like it. And just erase the beat. I'm like, yo, motherfucker, whole rhyme to it. And they'd be like, I don't like it. And just erase the beat. I'm like, yo, motherfucker, I just wrote it. Yo. Yeah, he does do that. He'll do that. Yep.

Yep. Like, I ain't going to lie. Like, I was a 28-year-old man. I had anxiety then. Like, I got anxiety now. Like, you know what I'm saying? But I remember, like, being in D&D studio. You liked the beat a lot.

I loved it. But it wasn't about, he's the only producer I've ever worked with that it wasn't about me liking the beat. It was about us liking it together. Yeah. And if it wasn't that chemistry together, he just knocked it out. Like, that shit that we did on CNN. Yeah. That was the 12th record.

Yeah. He kept going like this. No. You're like, what the? And you wrote some shit? Oh, I wrote. I got about 20 rhymes. Yeah.

But that let me know he was a real, and he would not send us a beat. Nah, he didn't. You know, back then, that wasn't that. But he was like, you coming, and we went to D&D. And I say it in the joint, up in D&D sleeping with the rats and the roaches. Because there was literally rats and roaches in D&D. It was, it was. I'm not lying.

I did go to D&D. And a whole bunch of Dutch master jets. That was the first studio. The first studio, they had a candy machine. Yep. That could buy Dutchess. You could buy Dutchess.

Like, you know, like, it's a candy machine. Thank you, thank you for speaking Nori. A vending machine and they had fucking Philly Blunts and Dutchess

like in the studio like yeah if you can't make a record in D&D studios you were you were tracked cause

that shit just had a vibe you would see Smith and Wesson over here it was hip hop though it was hip hop I. It was hip hop. I miss that. Yes. I miss a D&D studio.

Yes. I miss that. Just the board. The board. Yeah. Primo in there. I think Jay did like the

Million? Something for his album and we created D&D Studios in the museum oh yeah and I was like y'all don't got the roaches though oh

that was the feeling too you wanted to you wanted to hurry up and finish just like Grease like it was rats roaches

it was stick up kids Chungking Chungking oh my god big rats oh yeah big rats in Chungking oh my god one time a rat God. Big rats. Oh, yeah, big rats in Chungking. Oh my God.

One time a rat, I'm doing heavy D shit. Big old fat rat ran right across the fucking floor, bro. I was like, that shit was big. Right? I'm like, man. And Chungking, and you talking about the Chungking, not the 170 fabric. The one that was in Chinatown. The one in Chinatown, yes. I remember that. That shit right there. I remember that. That's the War Report. Not the 170 Barrett. The one that was in Chinatown. The one in Chinatown. Yes, I remember that.

That shit right there. I remember that. That's the war report. We got a lot done in that one, brother. Right. All right. Biggie.

No, no, no. You ain't taking a war. Biggie or not. Biggie or not. Biggie or not. No, no, no. We got this. We got this.

We got this. We got this. We see what you're trying to do. We know y'all light-skinned niggas. We know what's going on with y'all karate class. We know. We haven't done it. All right, now I'm flipping it on your ass.

Twister or Tech N9ne? Oh, that's easy. Twister, G. I'm going with Twister. He go... Yeah, he's a Chi-town dude. I'm going with Chi-town. Like, Twister. Yeah. Twister was, yo, he was... I'm fucking with Twister. He's a Chi-town dude. I'm going with Chi-town. Like Twister.

Yeah. Twister was, yo, he was. I'm fucking with you. Twister was, Twister. He was tongue Twister. He was tongue Twister. And he was the first, I got to give it up. I got to give respect, flowers.

He was the first dude from Chicago to have a, like a, to be signed to a major. Was it Jive? No, he was signed to Lau Lau that's right even though you know I'm saying to have a national

like we had label mate Lau so like he was doing man he did his thing and he continued to do his thing and he was in the Guinness Book of World Records

right? he went up against Huma Confucian again yeah really I didn't know he went against Huma Confucian again yeah that's for fastest rap, yeah.

Chip is my guy. He nice. Child Car Quest or the Wu-Tang? We're not taking that. We're not even listening to you, Tom. We got you. And by the way, that's our next question. Is he wearing a Wu-Tang clip?

He's taking the boy on interview. They like it. NWA or Wu-Tang Clan? Ooh, I'm going to go with Wu, man. The Wu is like... Let me acknowledge that being from Chicago, when we saw Ice Cube and them holding 40 ounces and just being like... That was similar to our culture. Right.

New York. I mean, we had social care. I didn't have no J.C. I'm like an ax. But, you know, I'm from the South Side. We didn't have no J.C. And the gang culture was very similar, too. Yeah, but the gang culture and all, it was a lot of things similar.

You know, like a lot of our roots come from the South. If you check people from L.A., they people from Louisiana, Mississippi. That's where we from. Whereas y'all have, like, a whole lot, like, from Jamaica, Haiti, you know, from Bahamas, from Puerto Rico. We didn't have that as much. So that being said, I related to N.W.A. point blank. And they was, like, dopest. I was, like, straight out of Compton.

A bitch is a bitch Ice Cube like I loved all that shit you said you didn't relate to Wu-Tang I said I did relate to it but I'm he's giving you the prelude

to Wu-Tang how you make it make sense I'm very curious but when I heard Wu-Tang I was like yo I've never heard anything where

it's nine MC's and I love the record. And I love. It sounds cohesive. And there's so many. And each one is a superhero. Right. If we would have had like the access we have now when Wu-Tang came out.

And by the way, they got a TV show about them. Yeah. On Hulu. On Hulu. So that is already. But what they did, i heard protect your neck yeah yeah it's all crazy the thing man is i mean they untouchable in certain ways to me like because to have that many mcs and then you can see the growth in like from when you hear protect your

neck and you hear ray and ghost and then you hit them on Only Bill for Cuban Link. It's a whole nother level and you can hear that growth. But then you got the Genius who was always on that. Old Dirty Bastards is one of the most soulful rappers you will ever hear. Ever. Soulful. I'm talking about like, I don't know about you Norrie, but for me, sometimes I can get in the booth and I start trying to rap the thing the same way I did it before. Rap it, rap it. I be hearing takes of ODB doing that shit different. Mad different times, yeah.

And that shit is so. And ODB was a person, like I wrote records for ODB. What? You did? I didn't even know that. You didn't know that? Nah. Nigga, go listen. What, Dame had you do it? I don't think most of them never didn't know that? Nah. Nigga, go listen.

What, Dame had you do it? I don't think most of them never really... It wasn't through... No, bro, Pharrell. Really? Oh, shit. So that's right, that's right. Because you and Pharrell...

How'd you meet Pharrell? Yeah, because he was cocky. That's not a good answer. He tried to take over the interview. I love he's trying to take over the interview I know what's going on here here's the funny shit

and it's a great question because if you listen to Super Thug if you listen to in the end of Super Thug I go N-R-E Nori the to Super Thug if you listen to in the end of Super Thug I go NRE Nori the remix Super Thug was the remix to NRE my song the single my album was already done handed in oh wow and this young man, a dude by the name of Rob Walker. Yeah, we know Rob.

We all know Rob. And Martin Moore. Let me pick up Martin Moore. Shout out to Martin. Who's on the Wu-Tang album. Who's on the Wu-Tang album. The NYU radio skits. That's the first Wu-Tang album? Yeah. The radio skits.

The radio show. You wanted that shit again? That's him. Who ends up being my A&R. And your manager. Yeah, and my manager too. What really was my A&R for a penalty. So he hits me and says,

listen, you have to meet this group called the Neptunes. I'm like, that shit sounds amazing. Neptunes. I never heard of that. Yeah. We meet at Sound of Sound Studios. I have on 5X pants.

Wow. 5X shirt for sure. Wow. Big clothes there. This is the big clothes there. Yeah, big clothes. Right. My hat had to be big too as well.

You got a 5X hat? I don't know. I gave't know. I just gave it some weird look. And in comes these two guys, exact opposite. This shirt is very tight. He has a choker on, making the veins show. I'm comfortable a little bit.

You sure you're not exaggerating? No. He was that tight already? No. He was the main... He wanted to be the exact opposite of what was going on but delivered the music

of what was going on. And he hates when I tell this story because, you know, he's humble now. Yeah. Now that he's fucking head of

Louis fucking Baton. Yeah. He's humble now. Yes. But let me just tell you something. He wasn't now. He's fucking head of Louis fucking Vuitton. He's humble now. Yes. Let me just tell you something. He wasn't then. Okay. And he looked at me, because he had work.

I don't want to say I've ever been the first person to work for Pharrell, because that's not the truth. Or work for Neptunes, excuse me. That's not the truth. They had worked with Total. Teddy Riley. Teddy Riley. SMUV. But no one put them actually onV with no one no one put them

actually on the record and no one put them in the forefront until y'all joined and he looked at me and he said he said he hates when I say this story

but I'm going to say it again he goes no one's listened to me but the first person that listened to me is going to go number one and I was I don't know why

I did that but that's how in my mind just let me roll with the story and I was like

I believe you I just believed him I just was like he was the exact opposite of me for the lack of a better term which I always describe it as this

and it gets a little weird but I call it beauty and the beast. Because we had nothing. Like, we have nothing else in common. Yeah. Just music.

Just music. That's all it got to be sometimes. That's all it got to be sometimes. I remember me and Pharrell been in the studio for at least 10 years. Y'all been working. Let me not just say Pharrell. Y'all got joint. That's a chat. i don't ever remember us ordering the same food wow i don't ever remember us or doing anything other than music but that's what's so dope that's what's so dope about music yeah i've been around

so many people that i i'd be like man known. Sometimes music can separate and keep it still respectable. Right. Yeah. It's the common ground. It's the common ground. It's the common ground. Pun intended. Yep.

I love the common ground. I like that. All right, so let's move on. Okay. Yeah. M. Okay, yeah. M.O.P. or Mobb Deep? And I'm throwing that to you, P-Mob. Because I know you're going to drink. Let me get my shot.

Damn, you got two. You talking about two ill producers, Havoc and Premier. Those are two monster duos right there. Y'all some fucked up niggas. Yeah, it's definitely right there. Y'all friends. Y'all some fucked up niggas. Yeah, it's Dubnick right there. Y'all friends. Y'all friends.

Wow. I love M.O.P. All right? Don't get it fucked up. But it's something about deep, man. I'm expecting it. It's havoc. The way he made Chuck Ones is amazing.

I know the sample. I've listened to the record. You would never know or hear the sample. You won't hear the familiarity unless you slow it all the way down.

You told me that was a jazz record. That's where the liquor in Havoc is a fucking tool. Yes. He did that. He did it on a skit. It's the same with Survival of the Fittest. Survival of the Fittest.

You don't know where that sample comes from unless he tells you. That's fire. He told me what he used. He told me what he used. He told me what he used. I had the record. I had the record, but I didn't hear nothing on it. Right. So I'm listening to it, and then when he told me, I slowed it down.

I said, oh, shit. All right. This dude is crazy. All right. This havoc is ill. You picked, but I'm still taking a shot. Did he pick? He didn't really pick.

He just gave us a whole explanation. He picked. Mobb Deep. No, I'll show you. Mobb Deep. Man, man. Like, Mobb Deep. When I heard the infamous, like, I was like.

Did you hear Juvenile Hell? Yeah, I heard Juvenile Hell. Which is crazy that they were able to come back from that. Yeah, Juvenile Hell didn't move me like that. It didn't. It has first joint. They had to learn and listen first. They were literally juveniles trying to figure it out.

Yeah, they was doing it. But I remember hearing Shook Ones. I was in New York, like, staying at somebody's house that worked at my label, just trying to make a living. And I heard Shook Ones. I said, man, this shit is incredible. I was like, you sure the sample comes from here? It's fast. It's fast

jazz, fast loop. It's like... That's all it did. And then he just... And then you get Shook Ones from that. That's one of the dopest hip-hop songs ever. Oh yeah, that's another game-changing track.

And then, like you said, Survival of the Fittest. I promise you, I was listening to that before. When I came in here today, I was listening to Survival of the Fittest. But, you know, when Big Noid, hearing Big Noid on their joints, and hearing even Tip to flip that, what he did. The liquor joint, yeah. Sonic, dude, that album, the infamous. Yo, Tip told me he ended up mixing that album or whatever yeah i believe something yeah like and i feel like what havoc and prodigy

brought is as talents and then q-tips experience of what is sonic we need to sound like that album just changed everything yeah it did to me it was. It did. That's one of my favorite albums. No, that's an amazing album. I'm definitely taking a shot to that. You're going to be like, that ain't the sample.

Are we taking a shot? We're taking a shot. We're going to take a shot. I'm taking a shot just for Mobb Deep. God bless the soul. Mobb Deep. God bless the soul.

God bless the beast of prodigy. Shout out to I'm going to play that sample. I miss prodigy. That's nice. I miss him like. Shout out to I'm going to play that I miss Prodigy. That's not the vibe. I miss him like a motherfucker. Yo,

a little side note is fucking the bitch in you. The only time I went to the only time I went to Queensbridge I went to meet up with Havoc

and he was going to do a remix to the bitch in me. Get the fuck out of here. And he actually did a remix. Nah, he was going to. But remix to the bitch. Get the fuck out of here. And he actually did a remix. No, he was going to. But a remix going at Cube? Yes. We did a remix and he was on the chorus.

He's going to stop. He's going to slap those shit. Why did he want to go to Cube? Cube, you know it's all love, dude. But why did he want to go to Cube? Nah. He had a reason? He just was like.

He was feeling the way he was feeling. You know, these niggas just in the West Coast. So they're like, yo, you saying what we feeling too? But y'all had some stuff going on. Which is LA LA too. Yeah, LA LA. Probably Mop Deep was involved. Yes, sir.

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Twins, yeah. And we went to Power Play. Power Play, yeah. And then I remember just sitting there and talking with them i was i remember i was reading it was like man you're doing some prodigy or dude and i was trying to get in my zone and then i haven't made this beat and i was like yo dope and he's like yo i'm gonna stay the hook with you and yeah i see the in you and And I always wonder

where that shit is. What? We did that shit. I'm going to ask him about it. We did that shit. As happened. Let's do that immediately. I want to do that shit.

Wherever you at, whoever got a copy of that, put it out for real. Right now. Yeah, he did that shit. Just for historical purposes. That was my Queens Bridge experience. I felt good too

because I was like, damn, Mobb Deep took me through this. You know, it's like that. Like what you said about Cabrini Green. damn, Mobb Deep took me through that. You know, it's like that. Like what you said about Cabrini Green. Certain people from that area

took you through that. Molly and Master Ace took me through Queensbridge. Did they? Yeah. And Master Ace was from Brooklyn.

I know. You know what is crazy thing is I heard when Molly Ma, well, he got on this show and he told us

that he recorded Rakim's whole album in Queensbridge. Yes, sir. And I was just like, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Yeah, he said it on this show.

He sat in the same chair you sit in that right now. Yep. And he said, yeah. And I was just like, wow. That shit is amazing. Wow.

He recorded, yo, I got a question for all of y'all. Let's go. Y'all know him. I love how you're taking over our show. We're peeping this.

We know. We can see. We can see. Somebody, one of my hip-hop comrades that I work with a lot, De La Soul. Yes, De La. Shout out to De La. Who got their masters back? Shout out to De La.

Shout out to De La. De La is my family. De La is my family. God bless the soul of Dave. Yes, sir. And Paz is actually on our album. Yes, he is. But I ain't bring it up for that reason.

But one of them told me that Shan wrote. That'll explode. Is that true? Yeah, yeah. Good look, good look. But did Shan write any of Rakim's first choice? Like, somebody told me that Shan. You starting to fuck that room up.

I heard that. I'm asking. I'm not done. I don't know if I want to touch on that. I don't know. I've never heard of that. It's just something that comes up. I haven't heard that. I'm asking. I'm not done. I don't know if I want to touch on that. I don't know if I've ever heard that. It's just something that comes across. And you hear things and you want to know. Yeah, I just want to know.

Y'all know a lot about hip hop. And Shan going, Shan going. Shan would say that. Shan would say that. Shan would touch the nigga. Shan would say that out loud. Somebody told me, nah, you know, it probably ain't true. Nah, you know, but it was like, yeah, he wrote some of the early, like my melody or something.

But then it don't sound like Shan. I can't hear that. I can't hear that. I just can't see nobody right now. I can't see nobody. I see him running from me. I had to bring it up. I don't think so.

When they brought it up to me, and it was coming from official niggas, I'm like. I think Shan would have said it on Drink Chat. Yeah, Shan would have blew it up. He said everything he could say. The work of... On his own Instagram. On his own Instagram. You got to follow MC Shan.

Don't follow MC Shan. Your life is not right. He speaks his truth. I ain't mad at him. He really goes at everybody. He does not give a... You know, some of the shit he says is kind of true. It's kind of true.

No, he's real. He's like, oh, I'm in. I'm in the force. I'm in the energy. He's not wearing his teeth. You're like, shit. But he says it, y'all. I like that.

You're going to be real. He's been drinking champagne. Yeah. He's been drinking champagne. What is it called? What do you call it? Champagne. Champagne. Champagne. What does he call it? We're going to be real. He's been drinking sham pimple. Yeah. He's been drinking sham pimple. What is it called? What do you call it? Sham pimple. What is it called?

We're going to call it sham pimple. Shizzle with the nizzle. Nizzle with the shizzle. Something like that. The shizzle with the whistle. There you go. That's sham pimple.

By the way, let me tell you something. We interviewed MC Shan. This motherfucker went over there. I didn't even know that existed. I was like,

holy shit, we got a part of him over there? And he went over there. That was an amazing episode that existed. I was like, holy shit, we got a part of him over there? And he went over there. That was an amazing episode. Can I salute y'all team? She is more intensive than they're like. That's right.

That's what we do. You know what's crazy? I'm catching a flight to see you. I'm like, this nigga Common is here at the game. I have no excuse. So I've pushed my flight up.

Yeah. That's how I got. I was like, I really didn't want you to beat me. Our text messages were crazy yesterday. I don't want no artist to beat me here. So I was so mad at you. I was like, he came early. And Beat Rock is on the flight with me. I see him in the back of me in first class.

I was like, I got to beat him. He told me he was on the plane. Yo, they can't beat me here. When I got out of the plane, there was no Nori in sight. You know how you can still see a motherfucker walking down? Oh, no. He was gone. I have a complex

now that I'm still an artist. I'm going to be an artist for the rest of my life. Yeah. But I have a complex where I want you to, I want my team

to salute you when you walk in. I want you to feel great. Yeah. And I was running here and they said, Common is. And I was running here. And they said, comment is here. I was like, what?

I was like, tell them we're not open. Yo, yo, I ain't going to front it. Yesterday, you know, it was like, yo, we got a schedule for this. But you was here yesterday, right? No, no. No, we were at the game yesterday. Yeah, we was at the game. Oh, that's right. And we're going to tell the New Yorkers, you're not allowed no more.

No. We ain't going to let you comment. I'll contact. I'll contact. the New Yorkers, you not allowed no more. I can't say it. I can't say it. Oh, you know about that? Okay, all right. Out of the eye. Out of the eye. So I was, yo, when they told me,

they was like, yo, they want to move the time back. And then I was like, because Chris, shout out to Chris Atlas. Shout out to Chris, man. Shout out to Chris Atlas. Chris, Chris, Chris. Chris is. Shout out to Chris, man. Shout out to Chris Atlas. There he is. Chris, Chris, Chris. Chris is talking to my team like, yo, they want to move the time back.

Boom, boom, boom. I was like, okay, cool. That might mean I might get on a later flight. And then I was like, well, I was supposed to do a sound check and blah, blah, blah. I was doing a show. And then I said, well, shit, damn. How are we going to do this? And then they said, okay, they really want to move the time back because Nori at the Knicks came.

So then I was like, well, I'm going to be at the Knicks. We go, we go, we go. I was like, this is at the Knicks. I'm not there. We got to go to the Knicks. Yo, listen. Oh, shit, I know we spoke about it earlier, but yeah that euphoria. Yeah Yeah, you know and didn't have that but I know we spoke about my right then they had

Mark Jackson The trail spree Patrick Ewan John's step to me to ease that What and that's the foul line, like, Pat Ewing. You know, I said that back in the day. I know. When niggas say that line, you say, yo, that's right. That's right. Yo, and by the way, like, I'm still, like, humble.

I'm a humble person. Of course. Just so you know. Of course. So Fat Joe sees Spike Lee. And Spike Lee's like, what's up, Fat Joe? And they start talking. And I'm's like, what's up, Fat Joe? And they start talking.

And I'm just like, let me mind my business. Let me just be a little humble. Fat Joe was offering me drinks. This you know is bad. I'm like, I don't want to even drink. I just want to be on my best behavior or whatever. And Spike Lee goes. And then Fat Joe goes, come on, let's take a picture, Spike.

And Spike goes, Nori fat Joe goes cool. Let's take a picture spike spike goes Nori getting the fucking picture I'm thinking about the first record we made and that was 1998 1998. What? 98. Yeah, 98. That was 98. That's the best year of my life. Yep. Just so both of y'all know. Yep, yep, yep. It's the best year of my life. Also, worst year of my life because of incidents.

I lost, I think we lost Pun that year, and I lost my father. Yep, yep. God bless you, son. God bless you. But I had the illest success. I had the most, you know what I mean? And when I'm looking at that, and your friend, you know, he's crazy.

He has all of your albums. You know, he's a stalker. I thought I was a stalker. He's a DJ, bro. Yes, yes, yes. He's a DJ. And I'm looking, and I'm like, wow. And then yesterday, I get to see you.

And you're literally like the very seat that's across from me. And then I see you in the airport. And I was like, God is really the person. Yeah, he's the bomb, son. Like, it's meant to be. Like, this shit is not. This shit is. And like, again, and I know I said it earlier, but I'm going to reiterate it before we finish Quick Time with Slime.

But I'm so happy that your brothers. Slow Time to reiterate it before we finish Quick Time with Slime. But I'm so happy that your brothers... Slow Time with Slime. It's Slow Time with Slime. But I'm really so happy, one, that your brothers are together. Yeah.

Brothers, neither one of y'all forgot about hip-hop. And like I said, every time I see y'all, I know that y'all represent hip-hop. Yeah.

And I just want to thank y'all one more time. Before we finish, I want to thank y'all one more time. Before we finish, I want to thank y'all. Because we're really happy. Thank you for this platform for allowing us to be seen and heard, to really show people that we're still out here. We still got the talent.

Thank you for that. And y'all do this, and it's important, man, that people that know the culture and know hip-all do this and it's and it's important man and like yeah like that people that that know the culture and know hip-hop and come from it like y'all reaching people that yeah there's some people that didn't know the culture right you know what i'm saying it's people that like y'all introducing people but because y'all like gonna bring marley marla mc shan on yep somebody's gonna know that or Patti LaBelle or you know

like like whomever like I mean we know some of the people but some we don't but because y'all know it the way you know it

it's like really thank you exposing like who we are it's an insult to think that we don't watch yes

no well thank you hold on let's finish this up hold on because I see I see these answers and there's these evil motherfuckers yeah oh yeah I think you gotta answer this yeah ice cube or Scarface? Ooh. Oh. I'm going to let Pete ask him first, but I'm going to tell you, I already know who I'm going to say. Scarface.

Okay. For me. I'm going Ice Cube. Man, the fact that Ice Cube, I don't know, man. The Ice Cube, America's Most Wanted, Death Certificate. Kill that Will. You can't forget that. Bird his hand. Kill that Will. You can't forget that. Bird in his hand, kill that Will with Jack and Fabine.

The fact that he wrote, one thing he did, little Jim, he told me, I hope he shared it with everybody else. But that song where Eazy-E was like, little girls and boys, they all love me. He wrote that for Eazy-E, Gangsta's Fairytale. He said, Little Girls and Boys, They All Love Me. Come sit on the lap of Eazy-E. But he changed it to I-C-E and made it his song. The fact that he could write songs for other people and it feel like they songs.

But then he write his own shit and it was like shit we had never heard. I used to love A Bitch is a Bitch. and people probably won't think that cuz you know So so that being said it's like I don't know I'm I'm going to go with Cube. Much respect to Scarface. Yeah, Face is one of the illest. But I feel like I'm an MC, so I'll be feeling like I'll be looking sometimes when I hear influence. And I think at some point Scarface was influenced by Ice Cube. And Scarface is amazing. He did some soulful shit.

But Ice Cube is like, man. He did some soulful shit. Yeah, Ice Cube is like me. He did some legendary shit. This is like straight out of company. Wrote a lot of that shit. Yeah. History. History. There's definitely history. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote.

You said Scarface. Yes, Scarface. And I say Scarface because, you know, after speaking to him and getting to be his friend and shit like that, it's like... Face is deep. Yeah. He's a funny dude. You know, The Block is one of my favorite joints.

Yeah. Of course, my... What's the album? The Fix? Yeah. The album's The Fix, right? The Def Jam album. I love that fucking album.

That album was so... Oh, my God. That beat is crazy. Who did that beat? I don't know. Bob Block. Yeah. Kanye or The RZA? I think it was Ye. I think it was album. That album was so good. That beat is crazy. Who did that beat? I don't know. Bob Block? Yeah. Kanye or the RZA?

I think it was Ye. I think it was Ye. No. Kanye or the RZA? Oh, he's taking over the show. He's taking over the show. Look, look, look. He's taking over the show.

I'm not allowing this no more. I'm not allowing this no more. Kanye or the RZA? He's taking over the show. Kanye or the RZA? We got you. You asking me yeah alright so

what criteria what beats what criteria for you you can't give cause they both rap beats I'm talking about beats beats

I'm gonna tell you this damn that's a hard I have worked with the RZA before. And I have worked with Ye. I've never worked with Ye as a producer. But Ye scared the shit out of me. One day I'm in Carbone. I wrote a whole rhyme in Carbone.

By the way, I am a resource room, special education, child. Yeah. So I write in graffiti, even type. Yeah. I type in graffiti. Wow.

No one can read my, my wife can't read it. I can probably read it. My wife can't read it because you're a Gemini. Yeah, nigga, I can read that. No, no, no. Let me not say my wife can't read it. She's never tried. My wife never looked at my phone for a fucking rhyme. Right, right.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. But no one can read my rhymes. I've never met somebody that can read my rhymes. Wow. Kanye not only read my rhyme, he read it how I wrote it. Wow. Like the flow that you meant.

He looked at my phone. What? And by the way, who the fuck, where's Diego at? Who is it? Jeff, what's his name? Jared Kushner.

Jared Kushner. This is the fucking president's son-in-law. Son-in-law. At the time. Where? The president's at the time.

At the time. Man. And I'm writing a rhyme and he's watching me write the rhyme. You know how sometimes, like I'm an MC so I just couldn't turn it off. Of course. And I put the phone down and Kanye looked at my phone and he... Yo, that's...

And he knew it. He spit it. He spit it how I wrote it. Even if you could write it. How? I don't know. That man is a genius. That man,

he was like, Kanye, he's different. He's different, man. And I looked, and I was like, I said, give my ball back. I work closely in Hawaii,

so he's a genius. I see some things with him that's like, just threw me back. No, he's a genius. Oh, shit. But you can't take away from him.

He knows that. I don't use that word. No, he's a genius. Oh shit, this dude is... Yo. But you can't take away from... Yo, he knows that. He knows that. I don't use that word that much. He's a genius. People get mad when you call Kanye, but for what he does and how he does it, he's a genius. He's a musical genius. Yes, yes.

Was that Savant? Yup. Simple as that. That's the old going around. We're going to get out of the Creek Tower Slimes. Let's hurry up. We never get out of this motherfucker, man. Yup.

Uh-uh. This is for out of this motherfucker, man. Yep. This is for you again. Okay. Biggie or Big Punt? Love them both, but I'll go with Biggie. This is also for you. Bulls or the Knicks?

Knicks. All right, man. Come on. Knicks. I'll say it to his face. Common, you're outnumbered right now, Common. Just be careful. Knicks.

Knicks. Knicks. We know you're going to pick the Bulls. I'm going with the Bulls. Let's remember that we shut y'all down. Damn, Common. Let's remember. I do remember.

You don't have to remind us. We do remember. We shut y'all niggas down. Yes, you don't have to, Common. I do remember. We do. You don't have to remind us. We do remember. We shut y'all niggas down. Yes, you don't have to remind us. We do remember. I don't need to remind you because you brought up the Bulls. Did you understand that yesterday

we said, fuck you, Reggie, and he wasn't even in the building? We're hurt, Common. Exactly. Y'all deserve that hurt. No, but seriously, y'all, the Bulls. The Bulls.

I'm going to go with the Bulls. United Center. But it's amazing to see what Mike did to y'all. Just think about what Mike did. Just think about it. I feel like burning his leg right now. This is not working. Can y'all light more of that shit?

Y'all got trouble. Think about this. Yeah, but look. No Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone. Greats. Never got a ring.

Never. Gary Payton. Cousin. Tim J. Damn. In Chicago, we bred that man. We got Oprah. Y'all named a lot of people.

Let me go down the list of people we got. We bred. We cultivated Oprah to be who she was. God bless her. You got Gayle King, too? No, we ain't got Gayle King. I love Gayle. I love Gayle.

I love Gayle. But look, Mike, we cultivated him. President Obama. Obama. Yeah. Obviously, Michelle Obama from the South Side. Hold on, did this nigga just bred Obama? Hold on, you're cheating, man.

That's in the middle of what I'm talking about. Chaka Khan, Minnie Riperton, R. Kelly, we did a song where we got to give it up for Ye, Chance, Lupe, like Lupe, like, like. We go to the new school, the Lil Durks and G Herbo. Yes, Lil Durk, G Herbo. Yo, Chicago, we got our shit. Chicago got it. Chicago got it. Definitely. I give itbo. Go give it. Yo, Chicago, we got our shit. So cool. Chicago got it. Chicago got it. I give it up.

I give it up. He threw Chief Keef in there. Go on. And Lil Durk. And G Herbo. All our homies. All our homies. Keep it moving.

All right, yeah. Keep it moving. Clips or EPMD? I'm going EPMD, man. Them dudes like, come on, man. They did four albums. You said Clips? The Clips, yeah. Them dudes, like, come on, man. They did four albums. The clips, yeah. That's kind of odd.

Yeah. These guys, they're odd. Okay. Listen, like, EPMD, come on, man. Them four albums, like, James. They did three segments of James. The thing is, you can't pair teachers with youngins. You understand what I'm saying?

Yeah, tell them niggas over there. You can't pair teachers with youngins. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, tell them niggas over there. You can't pair teachers with youngins. That's what it is. And the birth of the hit squad out of EPMD by itself with that did. And just the albums. Like, think about it. EPMD got Strictly Business, Unfinished Business. Unfinished Business.

Crazy catalog. Back to Business. Back to Business. Crossover, all that shit was good. Crossover was wild. Yeah. No. Okay, Banga.

Banga was crazy. So, Just Blaze or DJ Mustard? No. Oh, okay. Who you asking? You. Just Blaze. I know Mustard has a track record of all the new, new things that's going on,

and he's had his hits. But I'm going to go with, you know, because I'm going to go with what I know. Right. Yeah. I respect that. I know the dude, so that's what's up. You ain't even got to answer that. Next one's crazy.

No, all right. I'm going to change this one up. Okay, hold on. He's trying to pick a difficult one. Yeah, he's trying to. All right, all right. Let me see that one. All right, so I'm a Virgo.

What? September? September 6th. Okay. Yes. Nas or Biggie? That's one of the hardest picks for me. You want me to change it up then?

No, no, no, no. Okay. I like, I'm going to say what it is. You like to break it down. I like, I'm going to go with Nas. You've been steady with Nas. I'm steady with Nas. I'm steady with Nas.

The light-skinned delegation is a real nigga. I like how y'all stick together. I like how y'all stick together. Let me say this, though, about Biggie. I think Biggie is, to me, you know, you hear the word consummate. He's a consummate MC. Because he's one of the MCs that I feel like had some of the dopest lyrics, like similes, metaphors.

His voice is like, a voice is a gift that God only can give. Like Luther Vandross got a voice. Like Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin. Minnie Riperton. Minnie Riperton. It's a voice. Biggie had a voice. Nas got a voice.

They both got, like, some MCs, I'm like, they dope, but they ain't got a voice that's a gift. But Biggie's was unique. Biggie's was Biggie's. Very. But Nas is unique, too. That little grasp in this thing is, like, incredible. Biggie also is incredible with the stories. And one thing that I, even though I picked Nas, one thing I would say Biggie had over a lot of MCs

is he knew how to ride over those commercial beats and still keep it MC and keep it gangsta if you take Hypnotize and you put that shit on a different beat

you like he was coming even Nasty Girl was crazy you know what I'm saying so I got one more chance. I got a theory that the dudes that got Jamaican descent, they ride the rhythms the best.

Busta. No, that's real. That's true. Busta. I'm glad Rasta wasn't here. They got something about us. It's like they're all going like this. They got something.

KRS. Biggie. Yo, I'm telling you. I got a little theory. Y'all be studying this shit. No, that's realR.R.S. Biggie. Yo, I'm telling you, I got a little theory. I'll be studying this shit. No, that's real, though. No, shit. That's actually real.

Those Jamaican dudes be like, the way they ride their bus, because the greatest rhythm is around. That's great to hear you say that. Because reggae artists, if someone doesn't listen to reggae, thinks it's dance music, but then the reggae artists be saying some hard-ass shit on that rhythm. On that rhythm. What?

And it all starts with, you know, we can talk about reggae music. U-Roy was like the reggae artist rap cat. In Jamaican, you know, when it come to the Jamaican world, full of Jamaicans, U-Roy was that guy. He said, big up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got the Jamaican master going crazy. I'm glad he ain't here. Buster knows about you, right? We ain't going to hear the rest of this shit. Ask him about it. We're going to be boxing tomorrow.

You're going to be like, you heard what P-Rock said about the rock. The rude boy. Yes, boss. The Yod-Mon-Tick-Not. Shout out to Buju, who was stateside recently. That, too. Yo, Buju got back in America.

Yeah, he got back in, man. Yo, yo. I want to, yo, shine. Yeah, we need to give him his flowers. Yes, sir. Buju, welcome back, brother. It's crazy. Okay.

Radio or podcast? Radio. Premier or Dr. Dre? Premier for me. Okay. Yeah. Sixth Sense. Yeah.

And Premier just, you know, that's my taste more. I love the Dr. Dre chronic and all that stuff. But Premier, man, it ain't nothing like some of them joints that the gangsta did like them gangsta. Like when I when I be here and step into the arena and like the week manifesting like which and like, you know, some of them joints is just like I'm like, man, this shit is incredible. She's not repeat.

That's why them dudes is like for me, P-Rock, and I know they always get classified together. P-Rock got his own sound, Premier got his own sound. Totally different sound. But it's just like two greats where you, when we like talk about like I listen to jazz so Miles Davis and John Coltrane are two of my favorites. But you know, but they don't sound alike but they still got their own sound and i you know it's i listen to them both and that's what to me with p rock and who p rock is and then

premiere so dre is dre is like incredible producer he got the sounds but i'm going with primo yep i Yeah. Oh, yeah. Acting or rapping? Yeah. Man, I'm going rapping, man. I mean, I had to. I knew you were going to. You right back where you started. Yeah, because it's like, you know, you ever been with, what, y'all married? Some of y'all married?

Yeah, I'm married. Like a motherfucker. So, don't hit me. It's an addition. You ever been like, man, I'm out. We a motherfucker. So don't hit me. It's an addition. You have been like. We know you've been outside. We're going to get there. You've been outside, brother.

You've been respectfully outside. You got to honor the way I live. We proud of you. We proud of you. All this respect. This should have been called dating change. You got to hide away out there. He used to love her.

Yeah, he used to love her. I used to love her. Literally. Yes, yes. Only question again. Oh, my God. That'd be so great. Acting or rapping?

Acting or rapping, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, I feel like rapping, I brought up a woman because I was like, you know how you be like, man, I'm about to go out and do all that, but you always come back home. Home ain't nothing like home. And, you know, I ain't saying, like, niggas do go out and do it, we marry niggas,

we stay in focus, but the point is, like, no matter what I do, hip hop is always the base. Right. It's always the base. I feel like God gave me that. That's your constant. To understand who I am. Yeah.

Right. And like to express who I am and to be able to touch down with certain people. Yeah. So acting is something, I love it like I love, I ain't going to lie, I love it like I love music. I ain't at the lie, I love it like I love music. I ain't at the level that I, you know, like,

even though some people come to me, I used to love when people come to me and be like, man, I like you better as an actor than a rapper. I was like,

okay, cool. But I can't, I said that to me about podcasting, I don't know if I like it or not. You have a podcast

and a rapper. I'm like, fuck, I like that. It shows how diverse you are. Like, for you to go into another, You're a broadcaster than a rapper. I'm like, fuck, I like that. It shows how diverse you are. Like, for you to go into another genre and dominate and be great at it. That's crazy.

So for me, I love acting, but I ain't going to lie, rapping is like, man, I ain't going to lie, coming to be at a work with Pete was like, man, this is some of the best. Something I always wanted to do. I've been waiting to work with this dude. I was geeked. Like, yo, when he send beats, like when he send beats in just one little snippet, man, that's the joy I felt when I first was like, it's only certain producers that have been able to do that for me. It's only J Dilla, P Rock, and maybe Kanye that's

been able to be like, I get a beat and I'm like, oh man, my world is, it can't nothing mess with my world at this point. Unless it's something with my family going on or something, you know what I'm saying? But anyway, when Pete send them beats, so I'm going to go with mess with my world at this point unless there's something with my family going on or something but anyway when peace send them beats so i'm gonna go with rapping man i was rapping i rap and rap yeah right i was pretty bad rap peak producing or peak rapping man oh that's a hard i mean I mean, that's not hard.

It's just like, God. Say it first. I didn't care about rapping. I cared about the music, so I don't care what you say. I mean, it's Pete producing. Like, this dude is one of the greatest producers. Yeah. Like, it ain't.

All time. All time. Hey, we started off. We, like it ain't, it ain't. All time. All time. Hey, we started off. We not saying that like me, folks. We not saying that. We started off this thing,

and I was saying, Nori, I was like, yo, not just in hip hop. Man, we gotta, we gotta recognize what hip hop producers have done to music.

Like, we honor like, and we should honor Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Yep. We should honor like the, like thevys, Whites and those people. But Pete Rock is like for a genre he created and helped elevate a whole genre. And the music transcended beyond that genre. Other genres copy what hip hop producers are doing.

Point blank. Yeah. It's really I say it's really inspiration. Like I know copy is a word that people use, but I say it's really me inspiring people to just

want to do the same thing. That's humble of you. Yeah, that's the humble answer. Yeah. But his raps is cold. Heavy D or Chuck Robb heavy D I love Chuck but heavy D

oh man heavy D man for me I mean I ain't gonna lie part of it might be Chuck is dope right Chuck had Chuck

Chuck is special air to me was two MCs that did this intricate thing that I was like oh shit she was cold but heavy D after just learning what he's done,

Heavy D. Right. Yeah. Ooh. Method Man or Busta? Ooh. Chit, chit, chit. Wild enough, man.

LL Cool J or Big Daddy Kane? Either of you. Ooh. Well, LL was like the... Was like, did he come before Big Daddy? Yeah. Yeah, 16 years old. So I was on to LL on his first album, DA, Yvette. The whole first album, Can't Live Without My Radio, all that.

That was the only hiphop I knew when I heard LL Cool J then they did the the crush and grooving right movie body moving you know I'm saying LL was in it he was in it and then I'm bad was like like oh shit yeah I'm going with LL because LL't going to lie, LL was one of them dudes that I was like, he did it on the lyrical side. If you listen to a lot of stuff, to the break of dawn, I love. I listen to songs from the break of dawn. He'd be like, P-Rock just stepped in the studio. I love that stuff.

But LL was like, he could do a lot of different stuff too. Because Mama said, knock you out. Ain't like 1-900-LL-J. That's my favorite joint. Off that panther out. That shit is cold. And I'll tell you this. You need to bait, celebrate, dominate.

LL, man. LL. I love Big Daddy Kane but LL and he's still snapping yeah and how young he started in his career

to this now doing Rock the Bells Radio like it's crazy everything LL Ice Cube the fact that he has a radio station I'm going to say Ice Cube

Ice Cube with Black Dog yep oh come on alright come on let's hurry up I'm going to say Ice Cube let's hurry up Black Dog's the better MC in that situation Black Dog dog. Yep. Yep. Oh, come on. All right. Come on. Let's hurry up. I'm going to say Ice Cube. Let's hurry up.

Black Dog's the better MC in that situation. Black Dog. Ice Cube or Nas. Come on, man. You need to stop. Analog or digital? Analog. I'm going analog, man. All day.

I just feel like you were about to say digital Just to be different No I always said analog I couldn't even I couldn't transfer over To digital DJ I'm fucking about to say digital I still got vinyl bro Yeah

Go to the next one I don't want to exit this one Me neither Skip it Skip it Menace to What? Oh yeah Menace to the oh yeah Menace to Society

or Juice oh that one would be good I'll answer that one because I was on the set of Menace to Society really I thought you were

going to say Juice right now nah we watched the very last shooting scenes and then after they wrapped up we partied at Universal

Studios in L.A. and all the actors and actresses that were in the movie We wrapped up, we partied at Universal Studios. Me, CL, and all the actors and actresses that were in the movie. So how did you get there? I don't see where you had it going. Because we were on the soundtrack. We did a song on the soundtrack, Death Becomes You. Ooh, that shit was dope.

You snapped on that shit. And I wrote that myself. That shit, you snapped on that shit. But yo, I'm going with Menace. I watched Menace. I'm gonna tell you. Well, you said Menace, right? Yeah, I said, okay.

I'm going with Menace. I'm going with Menace too. Yeah, I know y'all didn't like really ask me, but I'm going with Menace. I saw that shit like, I ain't gonna lie. I saw that shit like eight times at the movie theater. Maybe nine. That's when I liked a movie like that. I lie, I saw that shit like eight times at the movie theater. Maybe nine. When I like a movie like that, I was

going to see that shit. Menace to Society was crazy. Juice was dope. Menace to Society was on another level. And I got a shout out in Juice. And I got the shout out. The nigga said my name in that shit. In the DJ scene, right? Yes. To me, it's Juice

in that sense. As a DJ. It was a big difference To me, it's Juice in that sense. Yes. As a DJ. I mean, it was a big difference for me as a DJ. Yeah, yeah. Like, I was like, oh, I want to be Juice. Yeah, I should have said Juice. I should have said Juice,

but they're both great movies. Take a shot for that, then. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, take a shot. Go take a shot. Take a shot, man. I went to jail for Juice. Roll it up.

They're all great movies, though. Both of them. He said my name. You know, shout out to my man Jermaine. Rap City or YOM TV Raps? Mmm, Rap City. I'm going YOM TV Raps, man. My goal was to be on YOM TV Raps.

Like Air Lover, Dr. Dre, and then Dr. Dre, the other Dre, and then 5'5 Freddie. When they came to Chicago and did Yo! MTV Raps, that shit was like monumental. Can I change my answer? You can take a shot for it. Okay. Yo! MTV Raps. Yo! MTV Raps. I remember.

They came to my house. I was on Rap Sister. I'm on my mom. And that's his advice. I DJ'd a few episodes. Yeah, they came to my basement. Yeah, yeah. 5'5 Freddie came to my basement.

It was no basement. Wow. Yeah, he came to my basement. Wow. 5'5 Freddie filmed the movie. But Yo! MTV Raps was my basement. There was no basement. Yeah, he came to my basement. Fat 5 Freddy filmed the movie. But YonTv Raps was growing up. Yo, that was... That was everything. Come on, man.

I remember even they did like... I can remember from YonTv Raps when people would say different ad-libs. So YonTv Raps, that changed the hip-hop, to be honest. Yeah. Before it was Rap City.

Yeah, you were right about that. So, let's go. MPC 3000 or the MPC 2000? XL. XL. Come on, man. 2000 XL.

That's what I made this album with. Ooh. Really? Yeah. Wow. Wow. Are you serious?

Are you serious? What are you going to do? Oh, excuse me. The whole album with Carmen is the M NBC 2000 XL. Wow. Okay, so this last question for Quick Time or Slime,

then we'll get to the regular interview. Then go to the bathroom. EF and EF. Or respect. Ooh. What's all you wish? Not everybody's loyal, so I'll say respect. Okay, wow.

Okay. Wow. I'll say respect. I'm definitely going respect, man. I'll be listening. It's this pastor. It's this pastor named Miles Monroe. And he was from the Bahamas.

And he spoke a lot about spirituality and on a higher level, not just like. But he was talking about the one thing that men we need naturally is respect from a woman like like respect a woman or for a period. From a woman is respect like like more than a lot of other shit. If a woman respect your your being and who you are and what you say, like, and we want that as people. Just respect. Right. Because, you know, loyalty, everybody can fall off at some point. Yeah.

Damn. Like, you know, like, because of they own it, shit. Yeah. But respect is like, I might be going through some shit, but I'm going to still give you the respect. Right. That you deserve. And then I'm going to have to go work on my shit.

But that's why I say respect. Yeah. And you answered that, Pete? You said respect? I said respect because as a human being and as a man, it feels better to be respected. You feel me? Loyalty as a human being and as a man, you know,

it feels better to be respected. You feel me? Loyalty don't last. You ever been through that? I know you've been through that. Yeah. So, I'm going to run with respect

because, you know, there's loyal people and then there's not. Yeah. Got to always weigh the options. But wouldn't you want both?

yeah I wouldn't want both but I can't have both in Quick Time with Slime this is the thing that we find funny people say both or neither

or whatever but when it comes to love to respect they never want to say both I would say I want both so you got your shot? relax I mean

you know what both is good to have to have two but. To have two. Yes. But I always think of, you know, I always weigh it out. Hey, man, we not saying that. With the way the world works.

What do we want? But what we want is perfect. I would want both. But how the world works is different. Right. Yeah. Yeah, but even to me, like, I feel like I can understand when sometimes when some people, like, don't, ain't as loyal. Like, that ain't the way I function.

Can you wait for that? I can understand sometimes when people, like, just, like, not that I'm, like, I'm around a lot of unloyal people, but I'm just like, everybody have faults, but respect is something that's like, I can naturally give to any human being. Right, it could be a stranger. It's a stranger. You just give, a certain amount of respect.

Yeah, and I think to me, respect for me is like something that when you give it to a human being, it just make the world better. Loyalty sometimes is an expectation. What if somebody ain't loyal to you and you like, okay, this person ain't loyal to you. Do you turn on them? Do you be like, boom, boom, boom? You don't have to. So I'm saying like loyalty is something that you expected from that person, but respect is something that you expected from that person but respect is something that you demanded from another person that you like okay yo this is what i just want as a human being and it's like taking i mean you could want loyalty as a human being too and say like i deserve this but i understand for me i

understand when certain people don't have the loyalty at certain times. And, you know, that's just my thought. That's just the things that I've experienced. I don't. And I think, I think I got to take a break. I don't.

I wanted both. Maybe I'm like naive. Maybe I'm stupid. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I actually demand both because I present both.

It's the right thing to do to demand both. You know what I'm saying? I present both. Like, let right thing to do to present both. You know what I'm saying? I present both. Like, let me move on. Okay. No, but I like that. I like what you're saying.

And that's why we should demand that from people. I like what you're saying. That should be standard. We deserve both. Yeah. We do. Like, we're kings.

We're doing some fucking phenomenal shit. We're helping other people whether they know it or not. And DMX sat in that same seat and DMX said, he never disses a rap rapper anymore because that one rap rapper

is feeding 16 families. And when he said that, I was like, holy shit. I don't want to diss nobody no more. I want to help, but also I demand a little bit. I want to help, but also, I demand a little bit. I demand...

Ain't nothing wrong with that. I'm phenomenal. Yeah, ain't nothing wrong. Yeah, ain't nothing wrong. I'm phenomenal, and I demand some phenomenal shit. That's right. You should be.

That's right. And for me, that's all simple little things I'm asking for, is just be loyal to me. I'm going to be loyal to you. I don't want much. And respect me, that's all simple little things I'm asking for. It's just be loyal to me. I'm going to be loyal to you. I don't want much. And respect me, and I'm going to respect you. That's it?

I would love both. It's actually simple. It's actually not even funny. To do both is simple. I would love both. I love both. But it's not reality. But it can be reality.

I feel like where we at right now, it's a lot of loyalty and respect. It's both. It's both. It's both. Like, in every element, I feel the loyalty and respect. But I also give room for somebody that, like, they might not feel as loyal because sometimes people been through certain shit and they might not have trust.

And they just got trust issues and they're like, I can't be loyal to you until you show them certain things so like for me loyalty is one of them things where it's like I understand you might man we all been through some shit yeah so a person could be like man I don't I don't trust that person so they loyalty might not be there right but to respect the person is just like, I don't got to know you or not. Yo, this is P-Rock. Yep. I respect him.

Yep. For who he is as a producer, as an artist. Super legend. Legend. But then as a human being, just as a man. And that don't take a lot. You ain't got to have no type of interaction to respect somebody. Yep. And that's for me.

I don't know how I feel about it but I would like both. Let me ask you Pete and Alan. Man, before we started the interview you know, my boy Chris Atlas

asked me to make sure we be careful with this subject. And I want to be careful with this subject. But I would be remorse to not ask. Yeah, ask whatever you want because I can't. careful with you but I would be remorse to not ask

yeah not ask whatever you want cause I can so you know we're doing a lot of albums and we don't see you and CL smooth yeah

if if we would take this out to interview if you want no no that's all good nah good I just

you know cause I gotta be kinda like a little bit media and like just ask like I'ma tell you this not negative no no no not negative acts like I'm gonna tell you that's not

negative yeah no no no not negative at all I'm gonna say that he's the best talent I've ever came across in my whole you guys created magic man I mean I've never heard a guy rap like this I never heard a voice like this and even we shared great times together don't get it all fucked up now like we've had our good times you know and then you know just like life people have ups and downs and sometimes sometimes you know when we we're in the negative zone we tend to go like this you know i'm? And then what we would wish for each other is growth. Right. But when one is growing and one isn't, then it's just still uneven.

Even now, it's just like, come on, man. You know what I'm saying? It should never be like this. Right. Ever. Right. We should still be together. You know what I'm saying?

But some things, you know, that I can't really tell the whole public and you should but but but you know certain things happen in in in in a partnership that's that just can't be you know and and people won't won't understand you know i don't want to be the only one speaking on someone who's not here you understand what i'm saying but I wish him the best in life. I respect that. Just so you know, I don't know if you even know, but people think that we're blocking...

What? Yeah, I know this. You know this rumor? The rumor is... I don't know if you know this. And it's not just him. It's a lot of people that people that you you you're saying that he can't come on drink champs why like no i wouldn't you know what's funny about this bro did you hear this rumor no i didn't hear it okay yeah he needs to be on here yes yes no we would love to have him on here. To talk about his life and what our relationship was.

And, you know, because I don't wish no bad on him, you know what I'm saying? But I just know that our personalities don't mix, you know? And I've experienced some growth with myself. I'm on another plateau.

And that's it. And you both deserve to be celebrating this records that you guys created timeless classics that are probably one of the best hip-hop records ever made you know how many years passed by that this is what hurts me the most is that we don't celebrate our anniversaries for the records that we made that touched people. You know what I'm saying? Timeless records that forever. That's why I wish for healing for him. You understand what I'm saying? So we can at least have grown men conversations.

You know what I mean? And the reason why I asked that, let me just ask that. No, I'm glad you asked. I'm very sensitive about it. But let me just tell you something. And me and Capone, we actually do speak. Mm-hmm. But we don't celebrate our anniversaries neither.

And it's just, on me, it might look like it's me. You know, people are going to say it's you. People are going to say it's him. Right. You know, but they really just in a place where they don't know what's going on yes and that's why i just let it be and i don't say nothing and when you ask me i'm gonna tell you the real right yeah because i i um i suffer from the same thing yeah like i i like i think the 25th anniversary of the War Report

and me and Capone should have been celebrated. Should have been celebrated. Should have celebrated. I don't remember what it exactly was for my thing. But,

so for every group, like, you know what I mean? Like, I understand. Like, I understand your play. Like,

sometimes, it's growth, it's growth. You know what I'm saying? Like, that. Like, I understand your play. Like, sometimes it's growth. It's growth. You know what I'm saying? That's the number one thing. That's the one thing we kind of, I mean, we was young. We were so young when we was, like, putting out records. Think about when you put out your first record.

When you put out your first record, how old you are. When you first was DJing, like, how old we were. So, like, to grow up and like we understand life in different ways and like I look at my mother's people that she grew up with the some she connect with still they lifetime friends and some are not in it but it's still y'all still share some important moments together that you got to honor and respect. Yeah. And I love that y'all doing that. I love that me and Paul,

excuse me, we're working off. Better than business shit. Yeah. I like that more. You know what I'm saying? But let me ask you something, because one of the other

most biggest arguments on Drink Champs was when we sat calling you. I knew it. Ah, man, we on the same vibe. You keep saying, I keep saying shit you say. I knew you was about to say something. And the Democratic shit that he was talking about.

I said, I said, Carmen, I'm calling, and I leave, and Ye said, Carmen, so fast, and he, did you see how he reacted?

And boy, when I tell you, I know we got to talk about it. Yeah. The backpack, backpack community was so mad at me for comparing y'all because they knew that Kanye was going to pick you. I kid you not.

But they're very respectful, the backpack community. They're not foul people. It's not a real community. Just put that out there. Backpack community. I love that. Backpack right there. You making that shit up, too. I'm going to order the backpack. I get it, but it's not a real community. The underground, maybe. Independent, maybe.

All right, I'll give you that. It's various. Conscious, maybe. You can put it in all kinds of categories. It can go into all types of names. When you heard that. Well, people hit me. It was like just, first of all, that interview, obviously, y'all did work with that interview.

That shit got everywhere. We got worked. Yeah. That was the first interview. That was the first interview. Oh, the first one. Yeah, that was amazing. The second one.

That was a bad interview. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a bad interview. We were talking about that, too. No, no. I'm talking about the first one. The first one was great. The first one was great. That's the one interview. We can talk about that too. No, no. I'm talking about the first one.

The first one was great. The first one was great. That's the one. And people hit me and was like, yo, you know, Yate, they compared you and Tyleb. And I was like, you know, I just was like, yo, hey, I ain't going to lie. I mean, I love that Yate said what he said. Tyleia my guy Right of course

And he a dope He a dope rapper Of course Dope MC That simple as that But I Man you know To hear from somebody

Being like yo Nah nah nah nah But you know I gotta also respect That Kwai Put Ye Kwai had Ye On the tour

On the tour When me and Gangsta was on. Which I told him in that part. I told him this is the scene that puts you on. But he gave his true opinion. When people get a true artistic opinion, I don't

take that personal. When people come up to me and be like, yo, I like you as an actor. I don't like your raps like that, blah, blah, blah. And I ain't mad. I ain't mad because, yo, this is art. You ain't got to like, if I cook up some food for you

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Nah, we don't think like that. Common as Rakim. Yeah, I want to be backpack conscious yeah I want to be compared to I want to be compared but I'm working on it I'm working on my craft to be compared with you like oh shit I heard his comedy rock album we got to put him in another in another stratosphere you know like meaning yo I can understand why I got classified with just backpack, but I feel like even from what I've delivered as an artist, it's different than just backpack.

Because the bitch in you ain't backpacking, niggas. Or if I talk about, I be talking about fucking bras and certain stuff. You can put fucking bras too. Yeah. Stain on the rugs. But that ain't backpack, but I feel like even for Quire,

for most, for any of my family, them, my family, for any of them, we could put in a box and it's like, oh, this is all they do. But it's like,

I always was like, yo, I got more than that and y'all niggas but you felt you were backpack sorry to cut but you felt that you was lumped into the backpack oh for sure bro because the thing is that that term that term came up with the ruckus era ruckus ruckus brought in that that that backpack terminology just nori talked about backpack you're pre that i feel like like even this, even though you saying some hardcore shit on there. Yeah, but I'm saying, you had to

really listen. Like, I wasn't reaching some cats that was really understanding like, okay, this nigga ain't just a backpack. So, let me ask you, I'm sorry to cut you off. He ain't just a backpack. Was he an underground considered backpack back then? Yeah, it was. I feel like that.

I feel like even, I feel like if you were. Actually, it was. I mean, look, all hip hop was. You were considered backpack. It was a movement for a small time. What is backpack? No, but come on, yo. Backpack was considered.

It was similar conscience a little bit. It was very small time. It was a small time. Yeah. And really. Because you could be underground. M.O.P. was underground. M.O.P. was underground M.O.P. and Mark D. was underground

cause all of us you know who took offense to the backpack terminology remember Buckshot because they were it was a style it wasn't

it wasn't a sound yeah it wasn't a sound and it wasn't even it wasn't even like a nerd style it wasn't a sound but it wasn't a sound it wasn't a sound no but it wasn't a sound. You were rocking everything. You had your backpack. It wasn't a sound, though.

But it wasn't a sound. But think about this. At one point, it became like, oh, these backpack rappers. And that was just like, the category who fell under that was Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common. The Rockers. Because you started doing records. I did doing Rockers. But I'm saying, though, the point I'm making is it was like, man, it separated shit.

And honestly, the one person I saw that brought it together was Kanye. I remember going to SOBs and seeing that nigga perform. And I saw niggas with backpacks throwing up Rockefeller. They had a, I was like, damn. No, he just changed it. He changed that whole idea. He changed the idea. He could change the definition.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but the underground wasn't the same as backpack. The underground wasn't the same as backpack. Okay, it wasn't. Because M.O.P. was underground. And Redman, when he first came out, was all talking about underground.

I'm the underground. Remember when Redman came out? Underground was talking about underground. I'm the underground. Remember when Redman came out? Underground was more dirt, like grime and slime. But most real hip hop that we consider hip hop was underground. It was more underground. Backpack was more. But Shorty and them wore a backpack. But if you think about it, in terms of hip hop they were top tier

when they came out yeah but they weren't known even though they wore a backpack they weren't known as backpack right

you know like backpack started feeling like a certain thing where it was like people were trying to say nerdy rap it was nerdy conscious

conscious I would say conscious more than nerdy conscious conscious and like we are part of this movement but y'all vegans yeah Conscious. I would say conscious more than nerd. Conscious. Conscious. And like, we are part of this movement. But y'all vegans.

Yeah. Almost like everybody who's on TV. It was crazy. And some of the niggas was never vegans. And some of the niggas, you know, like niggas- And some of them were gangsters as well. And some of the niggas, like we all had like we all had our nigga shit about us some niggas Some niggas have a bunch of kids

Smack a nigga when you say something Just right I've ever met in my life. So you telling me something the conscious rappers leave pork Most of them didn't. No, most didn't. Most didn't. No, no, no. We got off that pork. Like, don't talk about brands. Like, don't think that they, come on. That's a hard pork. Their presence is a real nigga.

Hard core, bro. Bacon and all that. Yeah. But, yo, I only stopped eating pork because of hip hop. That's what's crazy. That's why I say, yo. Because of K.R.R.S. I stopped eating beef kind of because of K.R.R.S.

Because of K.R.R. You remember he had a song called of K.R.R. Because of K.R.R. You remember he had a song called Beef? Yeah. He had a song called Beef And he started eating beef again because of what? That's why I say K.R.R.

Since I was 14 years old. You get a lot of boy local. That's why K.R.R. is up there for me. Beef, what a relief. He's teaching us how to eat. Hey, man.

Sonny told us the story. Don't go there. Is that what you do? You make up stories? Sonny! What do you mean, Sonny told us the story. Don't go there. Is that what you do? You make up stories? Sonny, what do you mean? Sonny told me a story. You went to the pizzeria and you were born as a pepperoni. Hey, Chaz, play Rise Up real quick.

It was not vegan pepperoni. Sonny also told the story of brazi and shrimp. Can we connect this to this? Now, ask him, hey, we want to play a joint for y'all. Let's play a fucking joint. Come on, turn us into a radio station.

Let's go. We playing hip-hop, man. Y'all hip-hop niggas, man. What the fuck are they fucking doing? Come on, turn us into a radio station. Let's go. We playing hip hop, man. Let's go. Y'all hip hop niggas, man. Fuck it, fuck it. What's the name of this joint? It's called Wise Up.

Wise Up? Wise Up? Yeah. Go back, straight back that way. But you can go through it. Is it you and Pete? It's me and Pete. The whole album, me and Pete, see?

Let's go. Y'all ain't got it together? They got to connect the ox to the other ox to the... Oh, my God. Y'all not looking good at all, man. That's all good.

Y'all did Quick Time and Slime. Y'all was almost good at Quick Time and Slime. But you got slow time at everything else. And then you got slow time. You good?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? That he ate more? No, you said But you have slow time on everything else. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time.

And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time.

And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. And then you got slow time. Yo, we, hey, this shit affect the way we fucking look, see? You know that. You know that shit. That's why you do that.

Yeah. I haven't eaten that shit in over 15 years. Just once in a blue. Nah, not at all. Not at all. That's my wife. My wife gets mad at me, dog. Yo, people, yo, my family used to get mad at me. I'd be like, I ain't eating this at Thanksgiving.

What you doing? That's what it is. I'm cool. I'm used to it. By the way, your girl is very nice, man. I like her. And she has no idea.

She's a part of one of the, my favorite movies of all time, Sandy Wreckler. Why? You like that movie? I love that movie. I can tell you anything about that movie I'm going to tell you like that shit

I was going to say it yesterday but I was like she would have been like what you should have said it to her because I feel like what's my man name Adam Sandler I feel like Adam Sandler bit my joke because I'm like it's like Jesus and a bird

together have a baby and then and he said he said that and um that that's like yo you should have said that to her she would have been like yeah no you said that shit to me because she was so cool and and i just i just was you know uh common we've been really wanting to have you here for a long time people thought we was hating on you coming on here they thought we people thought that we wasn't having you on. They thought we was not having you on. We like, nah. I thought y'all thought, yo, but no, you got to admit.

And remember, I seen you on Fat Joe's show. Yeah, I remember Fat Joe. Yeah, I remember that. So when you didn't come on the show, people were like, they thought it was us blocking you from not coming on the show. So we was receiving mad hate mail from all your fans. We've been wanting for years.

I ain't going to lie. I'm so grateful to y'all. Since day one, you was already an honorary guest. But listen, the fact, because Norrie probably thought I was going to be a stiff. And he was like, you going to drink? I'm like, hell yeah, I'm going to drink. What the fuck is up, bro? Yo, I'm like, yo, I'm like, yo, I'm like, yo.

What is this? I heard the bridge already. I'm telling you, I heard these choices. These choices are crazy. DJ, let's go. Okay, I heard the bridge now. Thank you. They become gods no longer with hope in them I saw venom in the eyes of a snake The solemn and the condiment

I rise up and trace like a prize in a race I pour it over them like a box of stars on the space I can tell you know together where we both try to get to There, co-incident filled Hisses on the streets, mouses over instrumentals The Lord set my mental to be more than six or middles A bitchin' group that I've been through A tenfold support I've been through

I'm wild too wild to show, I want you, I want you Only ground and pillars, floor pillars, truck pillars, box with keys to go with us Chicago pillar, we summon no killer, rich boss, we kill us, we're just trying to get a kiss to 18 So they will us, young ages, restless, investments, investors My man ain't from Dallas, but he know where the Texas hold him My open face is golden, better than the upper legacy of the Stoners Vox like a old man, boom in his beard, and when he cries, feel his chills and his tears Blues in his fears, outside interference, a slew of other troops, next close in the years

I'll move the fear so that I can get rid of Like the diabolical, I can be a powerful moon And anything's possible here But it's logical, just like angels We have to fill the mama's shoes Why don't you, why don't you Why don't you, why don't you Why don't you, why don't you Why don't you, why don't you

Why don't you, why don't you Why don't you, why don't you buy yourself all the people in the place? O que é isso? I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be, I don wanna be, I don wanna be, I don wanna be, I don wanna be, I don wanna be, I don wanna be, how you described it. Yeah. It's the 90s energy, but it's right now. But it's right now. Right now. Right fucking now. We adult men, man. We like, we've experienced certain things, so we ain't trying to be like, yo, we 19. Right.

And, but the spirit of what we experienced and what we created. We were young. It's always in us. And like, that music is there. So it's officially not out yet, right?

No, it ain't out yet. Man, but I can kick rhymes. I'm an MC. Let me say, I said. Oh, let's go. Let's go. Hold on. Hold on.

Let me get. What I said, I said, I said, holy ground and pillars, Lord Willis drug dealers. Monks with keys that go realer. Chicago iller. Some no dealer. Risk costs for fillers. Parents trying to get their kids toilla, risk costs fulfill us. Parents trying to get their kids to 18, so they will us. Youngins is restless, investments in vestas.

My man ain't from Dallas, but he know where the text is. Hold them, my poker face is golden. That's the best shit right there. Hold them, my poker face is golden. Pedigree of a legacy that's stolen. That's the best shit right there. Truth is clues in the years. I unrood the fears so that I could get beers. Like the diabolical and do the improbable that anything's possible. Ills, but it's logical. Touched by black angels so you can feel the molecule. Damn.

Yeah. Real awesome. Take you back to you said you're not, you grown man. You're not 19 no more. How old were you when you did this album? I was 19. I was 19 when I did the Kenner by Doc. You speak a lot. That style, that flow style that you have on there when you was doing that. Where did that come from and when did you say i'm not doing that no more no it was all influence it was the influences of tribe um leaders of new school

charlie brown um just me thinking about james brown all like just trying to think of something that was creative and free to be uniquely you you. To be uniquely me. Right. And it sounded too close to what was going on, so I started to develop my own. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why probably people didn't respond to that album

because Charlie Brown had already did the ha. Ah! All that shit. Ah! You know, he did that, so I just did... So I was like,

that ain't unique. So you think it wasn't unique? You think it wasn't received as unique, your style there? No, it wasn't received as unique. I think what was unique was that I was from Chicago and I was talking Chicago shit. But the style, some of the styles was unique, but not that high-pitched shit. That shit wasn't unique because Charlie Brown did it. And like, you know, I got to give it up for that. i ain't gonna i ain't gonna like like that was one of the influences

right so but eventually like i listen to young dudes sometimes and they i'll be like i could tell you listen to jay cole i could tell you this right right right i can tell you but then you eventually hear like oh they've all developed into your to your own. And that's all of us. Yeah, that's how we all came in. That's how we all came in. So that, I hadn't developed yet. And that's why I think, you know. So when you finally feel like you dropped that, did you drop Sense off of Common Sense?

Well, that was just because I was getting sued by these niggas that was in California. Really? I didn't know that. What happened? These niggas had the name California. Really? I didn't know. What happened? These niggas had the name Common Sense. They was a reggae band. It was a black, white, Chinese man. These niggas got picked up and downgraded.

He said, every day, it's now, right now. Black, white, Chinese, everybody. Everybody killer. Just picked them up two minutes ago. Oh, true. Yeah, I'm fucking with you. And they two minutes ago. Oh, true. Yeah, I'm fucking with you. And they was bragging. Oh, wow.

And I was like, what the fuck? Y'all suing me? I ain't know. I ain't had no good lawyers. So they like, they came out like, yo, we suing your ass for the name Common Sense. And I was like, what? Because I used to love it. Just come out.

I had a quote from Biggie. You remember we used to get quotes from other artists? Yeah. They'd be like, yo, he's dope. Biggie said, yo, I wish he was from Brooklyn. I was like, oh, my God. It's amazing. And as soon as I came out and how I used to love it,

and it was the first time I met Nas. I remember the exact words Nas said to me. He said, keep doing what you're doing. And I was like, damn, that's Nas. Like, you know, that's Nas. And I was like. You got a little man crush on Nas. Let's just throw it out.

No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. I know you like to do your shit. That's what we do. Everyone has that with Prince. If you meet Prince, you're like, oh, okay, all right. It's real.

I don't know what you're talking about. No question. But listen, boss, but I was like, man, I'm trying to establish myself as the MC and unique. Right. And be like, so, you know, when I got certain respect from different people, that's where y'all talked about something. And I was like, damn, I remember moving to New York and that changed my life.

You lived in New York? You was talking about, I moved to New York from Chicago in like 98. And when you talked about 98's that year meant something to me because it was like the time we were in New York I remember Pete came to video we did for with Lauryn Hill and it was like I was in them I was around some of my peers or people that I looked up to not just my peers and it but that's how I was able to start connecting on different things. Like just being around, like being available. Like, because being in Chicago, niggas, you out of sight, you out of mind.

But if I'm like, oh, Pete, what's up? I'm going to come to the studio too. Pete might be like, yo, I want you on this song with Nori and Big Pun. And Big Pun. Come on, bro. When I think about that shit, when I think about that shit, bro, when I think about that shit, that shit, that shit means something to my spirit, bro.

To my spirit. For real, bro. To my spirit. Yeah. Look, when I seen you yesterday, and then I watched everything because you got to realize, I seen you at the Knicks game. And he's literally where, you know,

this is my favorite camera guy slash hater. Only in sports. Only in sports. Only when it comes to sports. But you were literally like right where he was sitting at. And then it was so crazy

because I'm like, yo, I did a record with me, Carmen, and Pun. And I'm going to interview Carmen and Pete Rock tomorrow. Who produced it. Who's that?

And then Joe is saying, you see Carmen over there? You want me to hook y'all up? And I'm like, I'm already hooked up. I connected. But I'm like, I'm already hooked up. I connected. But I'm like, wait a minute. Pun, I mean, Joe is pun. Right. Oh, yeah.

Just think about it. So I'm like, I'm looking. I'm like, holy shit. That's why everyone's looking like, yo, you was nervous. I was like, I'm not. I wasn't nervous at all. I was just looking at God work. God was working yesterday. So I was just like, you work. God was working yesterday.

So I was just like, you know what? I'm going to get out of here. Let me just let God work. I'm looking at you. I'm sorry because I know you ain't got to say something. I'm going to let you say it. But I'm looking at you. And then this morning, I see Chris Atlas,

who is one of the motherfucking loyalist realist people in this motherfucking game. He deserves his flowers. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. I'm so mad. Y'all didn't say that Chris Atlas

was coming here. Yeah, man. I got all those motherfucking mixed up. that you would've gotten the job. Y'all didn't say that Chris Atlas was coming here. At the Cornerstone days. Yeah, man. I got all those motherfucking mixed up. Yo, they lost soul days. Yes. That's a motherfucker. And when I was mad

at Tommy Boy, he held me down. He was like, I'm mad at Tommy Boy too. Lord, chill. But, I really, really

appreciate you two brothers, man. Thank you, man. I really appreciate you two brothers, man. Thank you, man. I really appreciate you two brothers taking your time out to be paused with each other. You know, because you've got to say pause. You really don't have to, really. I'm going to. We will. Go without saying sometimes.

But you know what I'm saying? Because I love hip-hop, man. So do I. I really, really, really love hip-hop, man. So do I. I really, really, really love hip-hop. I want to always salute hip-hop. And when I know you two brothers did this album, and we got personally sent a link. I told you I'm a bootlegger, shit.

Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. I'm fucking with you. Just for one day. Just for one day. It's going to go viral, you motherfuckers. Yo, I'm telling you, it sounds great. Yo, let me just tell you something. And we do this all the time. Yeah. Like, you know, people, you know, even Alicia Keys sent us her album early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, even Lisa Keys sent us her album early. And our management did comment on hers.

But this is the first time that they sent it. And it was like, yo, did y'all listen? Because this is hip, fucking hot that you made. And comment, I want to, you know, give it to you because I've been giving this to both of y'all, but what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, you could have been like,

yo, P, let me make a pop record or let me do this. And no, it's exactly what you guys said. It's 90s now. Yeah. That's all. Yeah. 90s now. That's a good way of saying it's 90s now. Yeah. That's all. Yeah. 90s now. That's a good way of saying it. 90s now. 90s now.

I feel like I killed that. Thank you for that. 90s now. 90s now. Because we needed someone that heard it to tell it too. Yes. So thank you. It's dope man

it's so it's so and by the way I was playing around but saying I'm bootlegging it what I'm saying is we all heard it and was like

what the fuck like this shit is I appreciate y'all for for not forgetting but then still remembering yeah

I don't know if that made sense, but what I'm saying is, it's exactly what you said. It's not then. It's then energy. It's the energy. But it's now moment. Everything is new to now, but you bring in that energy from back then.

We could take the messages of Martin and Malcolm, but it's now that's happening. And we need a leader now. We can't live in the past. No, you can't live in the past. There's no more out here. It's the youngins now.

We have to reintroduce ourselves to these youngins. And so it's important that, you know, I make music this way that they can relate to also. But it still gives us that feel that we miss. Like, ah. You know what I'm saying?

But the truth is, like, the purity of what P-Rock creates is like, it fills a space that, like, we don't get in hip-hop a lot. And when I hear the music, and I'm like, damn, this sample, it's like, man, this don't have an age to it. When I was listening music and I'm like, damn, this is just samples. But it's like, man, this don't have an age to it.

When I was listening to Michael Jackson, I wasn't thinking about like he's 25 years. Right. But when I was listening to Stevie Wonder, Hotter Than July was the first Stevie. That was the first out of my own. Stevie Wonder? Stevie Wonder. You think he can sing? Yeah, yeah, he can sing. A lot of people think he can sing, man.

A lot of people think. A lot of people think. He can sing. No, see. Oh, he can see. A lot of people think he can see. A lot of people think. A lot of people think. He can see. He can sing. No, see. Oh, no, see. See. No, no.

They saying he can see a little bit. No, no, no, no, no, no. A lot of people say he can see. No, let me tell you. You just said it. Illuminati going to say yes. No, no, no, no. Tell Illuminati.

Why you bring Illuminati in? Illuminati. Fuck Illuminati. Tell Illuminati to get the fuck out of here. I'm going to tell you. I sat across from Stevie Wonder and I'm telling you all this for real. We was eating lunch. It's just me and him. And I'm sitting there like and it was in the studio and it was just talk. It was lunch. And I saw him using certain things to operate.

And I was like, he can't see. He can't see. And I was sitting there, first of all, like, damn, I'm sitting here with Stevie Wonder. This is me and Stevie Wonder. But I also was like, I heard those rumors like Stevie Wonder could see, but not one moment did he do something that made me feel like he could see.

Like, the man can't see. So you said you had lunch with him, just you and him. Just me and him. But how did he see. The man can't see. You said you had lunch with him. Just you and him. How did he eat then if he can't see? Can't you feel what food is? Nigga, you hungry? You can't feel what food is? That was a fucked up question.

Nigga, you can feel what you eat. I feel like when you can't see the food, you can't feel what it is. Hey he pushed off the elevator. You can't feel it. Hey, man. But Shaq, it was Shaq who said he walked in the elevator. And I think it was the Isley Brothers. Isley Brothers said they walked across the busy street. What?

Yeah. I promise you, we'll send you the links. I don't know. Kobe was the Isley Brothers, but somebody here said it. No, it was the Isley. He said he was driving too. And then Shaq said he got in the elevator with him, but somebody here said it. No, it was the Icy. He said he was the Icy Brother. And then Shaq said he got in the elevator with him, and he said, what's up, Big Dizu? And, like, he knew.

But he might have. He might have smelled him. It's very true. Or someone might have told him he's coming into the elevator. He might know that people think that, so he going to play more jokes on people. I want Stevie Wonder on drink chat, so I'm going to go like this to him. Yeah. And I want to see if he can go. I got you, nigga. I want to feel that. You got to get Stevie Wonder on drink chat, so I'll go like this to him. And I want to see if you can go. I got you, nigga.

I want to feel that. You got to get Stevie. I want to get Stevie Wonder in and say, you ain't take your shot. You ain't take your shot. You want to do that? No, no, no. That was wrong. That was wrong.

I think he'll do it. I think he'll do it. Yes, yes, yes. Yo, listen. Common, P-Rock, I know you guys got to go. Yeah. This has been so much of a pleasure. Amen.

We start this show to give people their flowers. I can't stand our culture when they say that you've been here 10 years and you're washed up. There's no washed up in rock and roll. Yeah. There's no washed up in rock and roll there's no washed up in heavy metal Mick Jagger is 900 years old nigga I'm out here

doing cocaine 100 miles a minute been touring speak on it God speak on it God the fuck we can't do the same shit speak on it God

we ain't got to do cocaine and shit like that I'm just trying to tell y'all. What I'm trying to tell y'all is, it's real. Like, our culture has to continue to celebrate us. Yeah, bro. It's in its whack when we don't. Yeah.

It takes nothing from me, EFN, our crew. Our crew loves what the fuck we do. We love you brothers. We love you. We want you to continue. And not just that record that y'all gave us. Give us more. We'll continue to promote this shit.

We'll continue. This is y'all platform. And we want you to know that always you know i'm saying i really really really really really really want you to know that i know that you brothers are hip hop yeah i know that you represent hip hop yes i trust both of you got with hip hop i mean a lot i trust both of you thank you so I want to tell the audience yes how much I trust both for you and how much we are honored that you guys came here and I don't know if this is your first interview but please Me and him together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't go to the breakfast club. Stay here. Stay here. Stay in general for y'all.

Stay here. This is our first interview. This is our first interview on Trinket. Okay, okay. After we drop the promo, then you go somewhere else. I got you. I got you.

I'll tell you where to go. But stay here. We always will. We're greedy. We're always. We're greedy. We're greedy because we love you. Yes, sir.

Look, this is my business partner. This is my brother. Yes we love you. Yes, sir. This is my business partner. This is my brother. Yes. And look what he has presented. Yeah. He has went... And by the way, this is real albums. He ain't go buy them yesterday.

Yeah. This is the original. I'm not stopping your wisdom. Please cut your wisdom. You can cut my wisdom. You don't even... I cut your wisdom. Go ahead.

But anytime I see common sense on a project, common sense. Yeah. That mean that DJ, that artist went and got that shit original. Original. I had to change my name to Common. Yeah. So common sense mean he got that shit when it came out. That's right.

So I'm just super grateful. That's right. Absolutely. Thank you. Hey, hey. I am grateful. I'm my cool partner.. Thank you. Hey, hey, man. I am pretty cool on my computer. Man, man, man. We grateful to be on here with y'all, man,

because this is where, this is our home. This is where we supposed to go. This is absolutely your home. This is what we about. I've been waiting to be on Drink Chain. Yes. I've been waiting for you to be on.

I don't know. Yes, yes, yes. I say it. Don't tell me. I'm a crazy shit. You, yes, yes. I say it. Don't tell me. I'm a place of shit. You know what I mean? You ain't hear that shit? No, no, no.

You gotta hear it. Don't tell me. I ain't hear that yet. You gotta hear this shit. It's on the joints that we got? It's on everything that's so grand. Everything that's so grand. And I got a couple verses left.

I got you, bro. I gave you. You know it. All right, chill. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. I ain't gonna say what I said.

I'm gonna say it. Take a shot, mother. Take a shot, chill. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. I ain't going to say what I said. I'm going to say it. Take a shot, motherfucker. Take a shot, motherfucker. Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud.

Thanks. But thank y'all so much. And we got this, man. And I need y'all to sign these motherfuckers. I know. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. And we're wrapping it up like this. But I want, can you shout out every item that you have? Yeah. Bro, listen to me.

Resurrection. Sold by the pound to me is a game changer. Yeah. This is a game changing record. Yeah, hold it up. Relax, motherfuckers, yo. Come on, man. We're on a television show.

I don't know if you know. Used to Love It came out after this, right? Yeah. I used to love it, right? Yeah. But to me, this is a game changer for you. Yeah. Did you feel the same way?

Maybe I used to love it came out before, but I'm sorry. I don't think it did. It was a game changer. It was a game changer for me. Sold by the Pound still had your old flow on it. Yeah, yeah, it did. It did. But Used to Love It came out before that because it was on the album.

But regardless of that, the fact that you got the fucking Common Sense album. But this remix, no, this Sold by the Pound remix is a game changer. It's real, real ill. It's a game changer, man. Thank you. It's a game changer. And then listen, we already know about-

But keep going. You ain't going to that one. Which one? The one that was under it. No, Resurrection? Okay, yeah. Off the chain. Okay.

Come on, man. He got large pro on it. That's, man. He got large pro on him. He got large pro on him. And actually, the sample from Resurrection is the same album I took World is Yours from. What? Yes. Okay? So that's the ill history we bounce off each other all the time, me and this nigga right here.

Yes. You know what I'm saying? And listen, the album to me, I took it out because you were about to sign it, but you said that the flow and all,

we love this album. I love this album. This album was dope to me because me, born in LA, raised in Miami, I'm listening to hip hop from all over the nation.

You know what I'm saying? And to me, this was dope coming out of Chicago. I wanted to hear what was coming out of Chicago. And you came out with a certain flow, and it was dope to me. So I love that joint. Go ahead.

Keep going. You already know what this is. I don't think this is just a classic for hip- hop. This is a classic for just music in general. When this record comes on, even if you weren't around when this record came out, you can't help to feel that. Such a special record. Yeah, I worked on that hard. Such a special record, man.

So y'all can feel it, man. And then to be honest with you, then followed up by Straighten It Out. Yeah, brother. Yeah, brother. Oh, man. record, man. So y'all can feel it, man. And then to be honest with you, then followed up by Straighten It Out. Yeah, brother. Yeah, brother. Oh, man. Oh, man. Straighten it up. Straighten it up. Yo.

Everybody wanted to Straighten It Out. Yo. Everybody. Straighten it up. Yeah, I've been trying, bro. Yes, sir. And your solo? Yeah, man.

Thank you, man. Words. You did what I, as a mixtape DJ, because I grew up as a mixtape DJ, I just wanted to create a masterpiece like this. Oh, my God. And you was doing it, man. Thank you, man. It's incredible what you did right here.

You should be proud, too, bro. I'm more than proud, right? You got bad people on here. You did coast to coast. That's what I'm saying. We got some good people. You brought everybody together, man. It was amazing. So that was's what I'm saying. You brought everybody together. That was amazing.

Thank you. I brought a little extra sound because when the labels were sending the EFN drops, I had to show, man, you're going to sign this too, dog. Oh, shit. I got you. That's an original too. That's crazy.

I have more to that, but I just brought these joints, man. That's what's up. I got so much more. That's what's up. Once again, what day is the album dropping? It's dropping in July, July 12th. July 12th. Yep.

Perfect. We are going to promote this. Yes. We're going to put our monkey foot in the front of the fucking forecast. We're going to make sure that they do it. And I'm actually trying to sneak on the album because you know you can do that. You can update the album.

You can send me a join and I'll be like, alright, cool. P-Rock's like, fuck technology. Fuck technology. No, he's like, oh shit. Don't even want to get on that. Listen, man, because I mean, honestly, I just really want to support this. Okay.

Thank you, bro. You mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. This is what I want to tell you to relax.

Yeah. But, no, I really, yo, brothers, thank y'all so much, man. Thank you. I appreciate y'all. Yep, you. I appreciate y'all. Yep, yep. I appreciate y'all coming together. And I appreciate y'all keeping the hip hop. Yep.

And I appreciate y'all coming to see us. And shit, making it to the drink champs. Oh, yeah, man. Thank you, guys, man. That's the first stop. That's beautiful. Damn, man, that's so great. Appreciate y'all, man.

That's the first stop. Like I said, we At least they told me. We're going to continue. Like I said, we're going to support this. We're going to make sure. And we're going to keep hip-hop alive together. Of course. Together. We got to get in the studio again. I got, oh, yeah, yeah.

You know I'm scared to death of you people. You ain't got a beat. You ain't got a beat. We did vitamins. Remember, we did another joint, vitamins. I know I got beats that you, I know I got. Let's go.

Let's go. And by the way, I'm going to be honest with you. This is our head director, but you, you his uncle. I know, I know, I know.

That's like a little racist. You know what I'm saying? But tell him, look, I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking.

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