Drink Champs - Episode 417 w/ Spice 1

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the legend himself, Spice 1! Straight from the West coast, The Bay to be exact, Spice 1 stops by to share his journey in hip-hop. Spice 1 shares stories of 2Pac, Eazy-E, Too Short and more.  Spice 1 talks about creating some of his classic albums, acting and much more!  Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Make some noise for Spice 1!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. legendary queens rapper hey hey segre this your boy n-o-r-e he's a miami hip-hop pioneer what up it's dj efn together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts or drink champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be hoping you're in the studio with your boy N.O.R.E.? What up, it's DJ EFN. And it's military motherfucker Crazy House. Make some noise!

When you Google the West Coast, when you Google the yay area, yada mean, yeah, I got a pop of color every time I say that. This man picture has to come up. This man is a legend of a legend. He's been controlling this game, in this game, staying true to this game for years. When we use the word legend, we don't lose it. We don't use this word loosely. When we use the word icon, we don't use it loosely. This man has been

doing it. He has so many stories. He's probably the only person that knows every version of Tupac. The Death Row Tupac, the Oakland Tupac, the Digital Underground Tupac.

I've been waiting, we've been waiting to give this man his flowers because when we started this show, we said we wanted to give to ours, to the people who has been down before us while we was there and people that's after us.

And like I said, this man is a legend of a legend and we are so happy to give my motherfucking friend spice one is now off top do you think ice spice bitch your name i don't like to say it but she kind of wear it a little bit better than I do. She got into a track called Ice Spice 1. Spice 1. What was the track called? Spice?

No, Ice Spice 1. Ice Spice 1. I didn't get it. Oh, Ice Spice 1. So, let's, you know, let's talk about it because in the beginning, there were so many people like the West Coast stayed with the West Coast.

East Coast stayed with the East Coast. But you was one of those guys that was working with the East Coast. Yeah. How did that develop? I know you got records with Method Man. Yeah, well, I mean, I always had a deep respect for the East Coast. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was always, you know, because the first time I landed on a plane And I got out of the cab

In Manhattan The first dudes Was walking down the street man And it was crazy Because I just heard Somebody say Yo yo Spice As soon as I stepped out the cab

Like two steps bruh And I heard somebody Yo yo Spice And I'm like Who the fuck is that Like how the fuck They know me To be out here like that

You know and I look down And there's two dudes Walking down the street And they get closer and closer, and it's fucking Run DMC. Wow. Yeah. First time in New York.

First time I stepped foot in New York City. That's fucking awesome. Run and DMC was waiting, and I'm like, hey, you know, I asked them, like, what y'all doing here? They're like, we came to see you. Oh, really? I'm like, oh, shit, I got y'all still on my wall, and my mom is still there with my mom. And my mom... You had a show?

Was coming out here to do some negotiating with Jive and stuff. Okay, okay. And they were there at Jive. Mm-hmm. Holy moly. Crazy, man. Crazy. Much respect for Run DMC, dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's bounce around a little bit, right? Jamie, I'm ready for my drink. You drinking already? All day. I ain't going to lie to you, right? Let me just tell you something. I've already been drinking a little bit, right? Jamie, I'm ready for my drink. You drinking already? All day. I ain't going to lie to you, right? Let me just tell you something. I've already been here a few times, man.

The best thing about us doing this show is this is my favorite part. I don't know what your favorite part is, but my favorite part is always asking, what is the guest drinking? So I said, what's my nigga drinking? They said Hennessy. I said, this nigga ain't changed. Ain't changed at all. You know what I'm saying?

I swear to God. Anything goes. If you drink Hennessy, anything goes. So, okay, let's pass around, like I said, a little bit, right? There's so many Bay Area Oakland legends. Who was the person who inspired you to get on the mic? I would say inspiring, I would go all the way back to like Rockham. Definitely Rockham and man, LL, like all the old school cats man

You know Dainty Dane Slick Rick You know all them old school cats When I listened to them I was always you know Writing stuff when I was a kid So I mean

I decided to I wrote poetry when I was a kid So I decided to put it into some music When I heard them dudes Right So I can't lie to you Recently

It's been a very big Battle going on in hip hop And we've been fortunate enough To have people who sit in this seat And the one thing that I know The one thing that I can say that Has it all together Is the West Coast Does together is the West Coast does stick

with the West Coast. Yeah. Y'all might be for each other, but... Yeah, we got to rock together. Even when we beef with each other, we keep that up in there, but it's always a support because you got

so many styles coming from that area, but we still all come together when somebody have a show like you know uh the the bay area don't sound like uh uh la and sacramento even got their own sound and and um you know uh certain places in la uh sound different from you know what i'm saying so but when when it all come down to it we all speak in the same language you know what i'm saying because i, but when, when it all come down to it, we all speak in the same language. You know what I'm saying? I thought it was genius. How Kendrick,

um, he involved. Oh, like he 40 was, was the voice of the beginning of the year. Oh yeah. Yeah. No,

I'm talking about the Kendrick battle. What are you talking about? No, I'm talking about at the show that he involved the show right now, the pop out. He 40 was there. He 40 narrated the intro and the outro Holy shit I didn't know that

And that put that area On the map it was like not LA It started out with E-40 Yeah The Bay like to play man You know what I'm saying You can catch us anywhere We all over the place.

I mean, from China to Japan to Europe, back to America, man. You know, we out here doing this everywhere we go. You know what I'm saying? You got me doing it. You got me doing it. So, what's that line that Kendrick said? He said, you think the Bay will let you disrespect Pac, nigga? Right.

Then that Oakland stop will be your last stop, nigga, right? Yeah, yeah. Listen to me. If I'm on the other side, I'm not going to Oakland. It's just done. Like, I'm done. Like, because he, think how genius that was. He put in your mind that he disrespected Pac.

Yeah. Most people don't know what is he talking about. But most people are going gonna ride off of that yeah yeah for real spit like but you know man Pac

um you me uh all the other a lot of artists out here we all got the same you know following

you know what I'm saying it ain't no telling what's gonna happen uh uh your fans might whoop somebody ass just on the strength you know what I'm saying

you know you don't know what I'm in? You know, you don't know what, I'm in L.A. County and some essays, they was about to jump me, you know what I'm saying? Until they figured out it was me. Oh, wow.

They thought I was playing to be me. They thought I was faking to be me. And I told them, I said, yeah, whoop that nigga ass. If he faking to be Spice One, whoop his ass.

You know what I'm saying? So your fans are going to do whatever they do everywhere. You have no control over that shit. Is this the 30 Days in L.A. County? Yeah, yeah. That's why you wasn't on Malcolm Valley album. Fuck yeah, bro. Wow.

You know I'm on point, right? I don't know if y'all know. I'm on point. You know what's up. We got to hear that story for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm sorry we're bouncing around, but you brought it. So because it's also alleged that, and it's not alleged, I believe you confirmed it,

that you actually drove Pac to the airport when he was going to Vegas, or you drove with him, something like that? Well, man, I definitely want to talk about this to set it straight. The day Pac died, me and Pac was at Thug Mansion, and he had that big-ass picture of Biggie and Puffy in there. He was shooting at it? No, I'm just playing. He might have been But you know we recorded

we recorded we recorded a song what was it? Fame. Yeah and that was the last song I recorded with him and then you know he That is officially his last song he ever recorded I think so because he was like you know I thought he was going to drive to Vegas because I was going to hop in with him and roll out.

But I was like, man, I've been hustling. I've been in my same clothes for two days. I'm going to go take a shower, change some clothes, and I'm going to meet you out there. All right. And so I got memories of Pakistan about a car like, come on, let's go. You know what I'm saying? I heard he even told you that y'all could get your clothes in Vegas. Yeah, he was like, man, we can get some clothes

out there. And I'm like, man, I'm finna go change. I'm gonna take a shower. I don't even want to hop in the car with you. He was like, Tyson, go knock that nigga out and we gonna party. You know what I'm saying? That's what it was. He was like, Tyson, go knock his ass out. And that was what? The fastest knockout in history.

One of the fastest knockouts in history. That was the plan. Tyson was like, I'm a Nike model. I'm a Nike model. We're going to have a party. I can see it now. That was the plan. Tyson's like,

we got a Nike model. We're going to have a party. I'm like, shit, we're going to go party then. But then I got, by the time I got to the house and got changed and was ready to bounce out

and ready to drive out to Vegas, I got the call. Wow. And I was like, damn, what the fuck just happened? You know what I'm saying? Like, hold on. He was just standing at the car talking about coming with me and shit. Right.

And what the fuck just happened? You know, so, yeah, it was crazy. You know what I'm saying? But that was the last song we recorded. I know. I don't think he recorded with nobody that damn fast. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, he could have got shot and recorded it, though. Yeah. Got landed. Yeah, recorded Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he could have got shot and recorded it, though. Yeah. Got landed. Yeah, recorded it. You know, hell no. But if he did that, as far as I know, that was the last song he recorded. Wow. Now, is it true that if you would have went to Vegas, it's quite possible you would have been in the car with him?

Oh, hell yeah. Wow. Yeah, I mean, they were going to go. He said, let's go shopping. I was definitely going to be in the car because I was going to ride out there with him. Right. And it was crazy because, you know, maybe I could have, I'm thinking maybe I would have been like, man, let the outlaws handle that shit. You know what I'm saying?

As far as going jumping dude or whatever, man. You know, fuck that nigga. We catching money. We out here doing this right now, man. But it was a lot of tension because of what happened. You know, fuck that nigga. We catching money. We out here doing this right now, man. But it was a lot of tension because of what happened. You know what I'm saying? Because of what happened

with the homie Eastwood and all of that shit. You know, when they jumped and took his chain and all that. Okay, yeah. That's all, right? Yeah, it was a lot of tension. So everybody was kind of like,

you know, it's on its own. You know what I'm saying? I'm a bag nigga, so I'm like, okay, y'all nigg, it's on. You know what I'm saying? I'm a, you know, I'm a bag nigga, so I'm like, okay,

y'all niggas crazy. Okay, this is what it is, but I'm just, I'm going to sit back and enjoy the festivities. Right. When y'all get to acting the fool,

I'm just going to pull out the popcorn. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. But I'm not going to indulge because that ain't my beef. You know what I'm saying? That ain't my shit.

So, like I said, we're going to bounce around a little bit the trigger gots no heart ain't no love bitch what's happening you won't be on jive yeah they asking for a single is this the single or this official single yeah the trigger got official single? Yeah, the Trigger Got No Heart was the originally official single for Menace to Society. And they played it with the commercial. When the commercial came out and, you know, they played the movie, parts of the movie in the commercial, parts of the song in the commercial and stuff.

But when I got to, after the movie came out and I got to, I was out in New York. And, you know, I seen people coming out of the theater, girls coming out of the theater crying and shit. Like, they shouldn't have shot him like that. You know, and I'm, yeah, after the movie, you know, I'm like, damn, you know, they don't even know who I am. And I'm walking through Harlem and shit, and I'm like, they don't know who the hell I am. They don't even know who I am out here. This is crazy. This is crazy.

And then my manager, he's like, man, you know, my nickname, Chico. He's like, Chico, turn around. Yeah, I got that in my notes. Yes, and so I turn around, and I see like half of Harlem following me. And she's like, Sponge, you know, like, oh, shit, what's up? So shout out to Harlem, man.

I want you to know that's in my notes, why did Pac call you Chico. Just so you know. Why did he call you Chico? I've been, you know, I've been. You're all curious why I didn't call you Chico. That's a big term in Miami. In Miami, Chico means Chico. I've been, you know. You're all curious why I didn't call you Chico. That's a big term in Miami. In Miami, Chico means Chico.

I've been that out the womb. Like, you know, when I came out the womb, my pops was like, you know, you look like, he said I look like a Mexican and shit. And I was born, you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's on target for why they say Chico. I got that good hair and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you look like a man. And so Chico been my, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you look like a man.

And so Chico been my name from day one. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's hilarious. Let's make some noise for your mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Pops, man. I got a little Chico here. Yeah, all day, man.

Yeah, that's definitely in my notes. That's funny as hell. So the whole bag called you Chico. Yeah, man, I didn't even know my real name, bruh. I was writing on my papers at school, the teachers were Chico, you know. I was

wondering, I had to ask my mom. I knew my real name. Yeah, yeah. That's how you know you got a real motherfucking nickname and shit. That's from the womb, you know. I heard you say niggas will flash 300,000 and wonder why motherfuckers are running their housing or running their house, I believe you said. Yeah, ain't that some shit?

Yeah. Like a motherfucker sit up there and flash all that money and then wonder why. I mean, back in the day, you could, man, if we sitting on the block, we knew a nigga had $300,000, we was up in this shit, bro. Straight up. Like, you don't just flash no $300,000. You know, we out in Miami, you want to play Scarface, okay, play Scarface

because that's how we going to come at you. With that $300,000, we coming at you like that. We coming at you with about 10, it's going to be 10, 12 of us. That's $300,000, man, we can split that up, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, you know, when you come from that life, you think like that. So, you know, I'm able to sit there

and look at it from both sides, because I've been on both sides. I've been the jacker, and I've been the motherfucker they trying to jack, or the motherfucker they jacked or shot at and all of that. I've been on both sides of the game, you know what I'm saying? It's good to be able to notice that and tell these little motherfuckers something you hope they listen to, You know what I'm saying? It's good to be able to notice that and tell these little motherfuckers something you hope they listen to.

You know what I'm saying? You see the guy that murdered Pop Smoke? He's home. Yeah, he's home. Ain't that cool? He's home. But they posted this picture. That was like a go get him

picture. That was like a go get him picture. picture. That was like a go-get-em picture. They posted this picture up there and let him know he was out. That was like a death warrant, basically. You know what I'm saying? Like, now everybody know he out. Yep. Three months.

Now everybody knows he's out. You know, he's a youngster. You know what I'm saying? That means they put him up to that shit or whatever. You know, at this age, we always say, you know, we made mistakes in the past and shit. You know what I'm saying? They put him up to that shit or whatever. At this age, we always say we made mistakes in the past and shit, you know what I'm saying? So I'm pretty sure 10, 20 years from now, he's going to be saying,

motherfucker, I went to the penitentiary for killing a major, if he's alive 10, 20 years from now, he's going to be able to say, you know, I made mistakes when I was young and shit or whatever, you know what I'm saying? But, I mean, you know, motherfuckers, now everybody know we out. You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, you know, motherfuckers, now everybody know we out.

You know what I'm saying? And it is what it is. You know? Let's get back to the West Coast for a second, right? That moment that Kendrick just had, have you ever seen that type of thing? Since all in the same game? Like showing that camaraderie, that unity

with the West Coast California artists. Nah, I ain't seen that since that. That was something that was really needed by the West Coast. We needed to be able to come together like that from the Bay to L.A. It's always been a connection, but we needed to come together like that

And represent the West Because we stick together But we see a lot of other The South, they stick together The East, everybody rock But the West, we beef within each other a lot You know what I'm saying? But now that right there, let it know

Let everybody know we can come together It's possible Let's not do some noise. I ain't gonna lie to you. Watching that concert, it was like the first time I seen rap transition. It kind of like

he's the new king. They didn't say that. They didn't say that. Like having Drake come out and say I see dead people. You have the biggest of the biggest West Coast guy come out

and he's not dissing, you know, Drake, but you know, him just cosigning that. And then that record just, you just want to do a fucking gang dance. Yeah, that shit been stuck in my head all the whole time.

I heard you say that this morning. You said you woke up. They not like us. I woke up with that shit stuck in my head. They not like us. They not like us. I woke up. Because you could use that for anything.

It's the anthem for everything. Yeah. Until you listen to the lyrics. And you're like, wait a minute. Maybe this is not that friendly. You're too asked how the body of God works is not that friendly so um let's move around okay 187 poof classic classic fun song man um look the crazy part about that song is that it um it came in a dream like Like, before I was famous,

before any of that shit, you know what I'm saying? Before y'all even heard of Spice One or any of that shit, I was dreaming, and, you know, I literally, man, I'm going to say it.

I literally sat there, and I prayed. I said, you know, God, I want to be a rap star. I want to be dope, or whatever, whatever. And I had had a little drink or whatever before I did.

I was going to say, yeah, God gave you drinks? Yeah. And then I laid down or whatever and I went to sleep. This is some real shit. And I started dreaming that I was famous.

But it was this dude standing on the street, on the corner, and he was playing some music. And I walked up to him and I said, hey man, you know, what's that you playing?

And he was like, Spice One, this the new shit. So I'm dreaming this shit this before I'm famous anything oh you dreaming I'm thinking okay I'm dreaming this and he's like spice one this is the new shit and uh and something something back of my head said um stick your head in the car and see what song made you famous wow and so I stuck my head in the car, and I heard myself say, E had the nine and J the AK. Right? And I'm like, you know, and then I woke up.

I'm like, who the fuck is E and who the fuck is J? Who the fuck is E? E and J. Oh, shit, what if they sold dope on Hennessy Street? I said that to myself, too. I'm like, pen and pad, nigga, pen and pad. And so I got there. I got the rightness.

You know what I'm saying? Clocked on the street, called Hennessy, Robert's with a motherfucking name O-E-E, had a bitch and her name was Jen, had a nigga named Juice

doing time in the pen. You know, half the shit that we got sitting up here. Exactly, exactly. And so I'm like, you know, I'm going to keep going

and going and going and by the time I finish, I'm like, okay, I got a whole verse and shit. At the end, I'm like, fucking endo,

smoke them all, shit. And so I try to say it to a few of my friends, and they thought I was crazy until I got it down. Then once I got it down, they told me don't fucking say that rap to nobody else. Because somebody else did it. You know what I'm saying? So once I got it on.

What's the song with Marv Deep that Q-Tip produced? Drink Away the Pain. You ever hear Marv Deep, Drink Away the Pain? That's a dope record. You know they're going to be inspired by you, right? Yes, yes, man. Q-Tip produced that. Yeah, Q-Tip produced that Q-Tip produced that

but yeah man I always knew that like when I heard that I was like oh they got that from me and I see a lot of

artists doing that but I kind of try to stay in that in that doing as far as that being my style I try to do that shit

but I like when I see artists do that shit you know what I'm saying that's cool I always sit back and be like yeah do that shit nigga you know what I'm saying that's cool I always sit back and be like yeah do that shit nigga you know what I'm saying

yeah hell yeah so like I said we bouncing around a little bit when was the first time you met Pop who was that who was that in my neighborhood video your video in my neighborhood

you really doing my interview that's all in my notes. Yeah. It was In My Neighborhood video, and, you know, we was shooting, and Pac came over there. He just came out the clear blue sky and was like capping him in his brain with a nod. And, you know, he was singing the stutter rap

and shit that I made, and I was like, damn. I was like, that's Tupac. I was like, what's up, nigga? You know what I'm saying? I started thinking about him. He already did Juice? Yeah, he just did it.

That movie was like fresh out. Okay. And everybody was still watching it and shit. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, he knew all the words to my shit.

So I was like, you know, that automatically hit it off. I'm like, that nigga's singing the stutter rap. You know the words to that motherfucker. Right, right, right. That's hard. Hell yeah. So we, you know, after that. I'm like, that nigga singing the stutter rap. You know the words to that motherfucker. Right, right, right. That's hard.

Hell yeah. So we, you know, after that, it was like, you know, where the bitches at, man? Let's go, let's go kick it. Let's go to the club. Let's do it.

We was too young to get in the club. Right. I heard y'all was 17 somewhere. Yeah, we still standing by the store trying to get people to get us alcohol and shit.

You know. And you both got records out. Yeah, yeah. But can't get a goddamn drink. Can't get a fucking drink. Both got records about drinks. About drinks. My hottest song,

187 Proof, is on the radio banging. They looking at me like, you can't buy alcohol? Nah, nigga, go in there and get me a 40 ounce and some Hennessy. You 17?

Yeah, yeah, just get us some damn drink, please. Oh, man. And then what about the name Spice One? How does that come about? Well, you know, you 17 just get us some damn drink please oh man and then what about the name Spice One how does that come about well you know

Spice stands for Sex Pistols Indo Cash and Entertainment and the one is you know at one time I put them all first

you know what I'm saying but the name actually at the end later on in life you know the reason why I put the one on the name

at the end of the name started having multiple reasons you know, the reason why I put the one on the name at the end of the name started having multiple reasons. You know what I'm saying? Like sometimes when I was rocking, I had to rock by myself. You know what I'm saying? That first album I dropped, I didn't have no features on there. It was just me. And we sold a million copies.

You know what I'm saying? And it's hard to, you know, tell me that I need somebody like that when I done already rocked by myself and did it, you know what I'm saying? With the right people behind me as far as marketing and promotion and all of that stuff, you know what I'm saying? I don't need to have on there. I can do a whole record by myself and still have motherfuckers cracking. Have that shit popping. And that meant a lot to me too. So now, it's like features is cool, but you gotta be able to hold your own motherfucking shit. You know what I'm saying? That's why I put

the one on the end of my name. Sometimes you gotta rock by yourself. Alright. Makes me think of DMX. Yeah. He rocked solo. Yeah, you yeah yeah sometimes you gotta go man you know what i'm saying especially if you know you capable shit you know what i'm saying i know i can i can get on stage i still man i still get on stage and rock with no music i only i tell them cut the fucking music off nigga let me know let's let me let y'all know how i get down before anything then we can start the show. You know what I'm saying?

Or at the end of the show. You know what I'm saying? If by the end of my show you wasn't impressed, we're going to cut the motherfucking music off and I'm going to show you who I really am. You know what I'm saying? That's some MC shit. Yeah, you got to be able to do that. You know what I'm saying?

Thank you. Who would you go against at Versus? Anybody. If you had to pick? Maybe, uh... Your choice. Shit. Damn, man, that's crazy,

because it would be anybody. Anybody can get it. I got love for every rapper in the world that niggas, that came up for me. But any of y'all can get it, and y'all know what it is, man. You know what I'm saying? Yuck Mouth? Yuck Mouth, hell yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yuck will be, that'll be fun. Okay. You know, because we got the I Got Five on the song. Shout out to the Looney's. We can turn up. You know what I'm saying? Definitely shout out to the Looney's, man. Okay.

Let me keep digging. Mr. Fab, no? Yeah, Mr. Fab. Man. I got Fab on a new album, on some new shit I'm working on. You know what I'm saying? So stay tuned for all of that shit. Okay, one more.

You got one more? They don't got to stay Bay Area, though. I like staying Bay Area. He could be versatile with it. MCA? MCA would be dope. Oh, that would be a with it. MCA? MCA would be dope. Oh, that would be a good one. I mean, wait a minute.

Pink T would be dope. Ooh. Ooh. But you'd have to find an artist that can match. Because one thing I'm going to do, like I always do, I'm going to cut the music off. And I'm going to say, rolling up with the script and leaving going to cut the music off. And I'm going to say, I'm going to cut the music off

and start doing that shit. So, you know, then, whoever can fuck with that, then tell them to come on in. You was chopping early. And that's just some shit I got, you know what I'm saying? If I actually wrote,

you know, I don't even write no more, my nigga, you know what I'm saying? I just get up and spit that shit. I heard you listen to the beat 15 seconds and then you... And start spitting, baby.

Here's what it is, you know what I'm saying? Hey, this music, man, you got to be like a motherfucking, you know, the dude with the long ass beard that just ain't got the long beards, you know what I'm saying? The motherfucking OG long beards, you know what I'm saying?

The motherfucking OG, the master, you know what I'm saying? After all of these years, if you don't master that shit, then you got a problem. You know what I'm saying? If you can't, after all of these years, if you still got to sit down there

and write your shit and all of that, then, you know, you didn't learn nothing through all of this time. Should be first nature, right? It should be easy to get up there. These motherfuckers only All they want is 12 bars now 12 bars

And the 8 bar hook That's so fucking easy for me 16 We was doing 16 3 16s 8 bar hooks Writing that shit down And then if you fucked up

Back in the day If you fucked up your rap Back in the day in the studio You have to They have to cut the music off They have to go back there to the real to real. It wasn't trying to punch in. Find where you fucked up at,

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm trying to pull this shit up. The shit that you did on Michael Jackson? Yeah. Rapping on... What is that? Man, I did that shit. That's the

street general, you know, and it's like this meme, you know, this thing where everybody put it out there, and it's like, you know, I took Michael Jackson's shit, turned it into some gangster shit, you know. The first time I did it, I was in Germany it's like, you know, I took Michael Jackson's shit, turned it into some gangster shit, you know. The first time I did it, I was in Germany, and I, you know, I was spitting it, and I had to stop, literally stop rapping, dude,

and wait for these motherfuckers to quit screaming. Wow. Oh, in the crowd? In Germany. Oh, you did it live, you're saying? Live in Germany. I had to stop. And at first, I was really upset. Like, man, come on, y'all, let me finish, you did it live, you're saying? Live in Germany. I had to start. And at first, I was really upset.

Like, man, come on, y'all, let me finish this shit. I said, man, they was screaming loud as fuck. And I was like, it's only love. It's all love. Just let them fucking scream. What part of Germany you said? I'm pretty sure it was Doozledore. I'm pretty sure it was Doozledore. I was in a few different parts of shit.

I didn't think the show was going to be that damn packed. Right. But, you know, it was cracking, but I couldn't believe how loud they were screaming. So I knew, so I go fucking record that song. Go record it and shit. So I recorded, you know, two versions of it. The old school version and then a new version I just recorded. Y'all can check that out anywhere.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. We checked it out. Did Michael Jackson Estate contact you yet? Nah, I was expecting them to. Like, you know,

they got to hit me once somewhere, but you know, shit. Maybe they probably just like this nigga crazy. He ain't get no money on that shit anyway. Fuck that.

We got to wait. Do what you do, homie. You know what I'm saying? So let me ask you, what's your favorite part of the thing is it making the record or performing the record

performing it definitely get out of here definitely performing why because well I I came into the game

solely on performance like you know when NWA came out to Oakland on that on that tour I was the opening act when they came to Oakland on that tour, I was the opening act when they came to Oakland

at the skating rink. The first tour that they did? Yeah. Whoa. And I opened up, you know what I'm saying? And I had to turn a lot of motherfuckers

in front of me that didn't know who I was and give a fuck who I was. Boo, nigga, boo. Get the fuck out. We want to see NWA, all of that shit. I had to turn them motherfuckers.

Oh, they booing you? Yeah. They don't know who the fuck fuck out, we want to see NWA, all of that shit. I had to turn them up for this. Oh, they booing you? Yeah. All right. They don't know who the fuck I am. They want to see NWA. But you're still the guy in the bank, correct? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But no, I didn't know what I was doing at the time.

And I was just like, man, you know, I'm thinking back, you know, shout out to the homie Pizzo. You know, he was my DJ back then, and he was like, you know, let's do this shit. We got this song. Let's do it. And so I'm like, okay, you know, he was my DJ back then, and he was like, you know, let's do this shit. We got this song. Let's do it. And so I'm like, okay, you know, fuck it. Let's just go out here and turn this shit.

I was doing that Pizzo house and shit, and he was like, fix me a beat. You know, I'm Spice One, and he was Pizzo the beat fixer, and I'm like, fix me a beat, nigga. Fix me a beat. And he was like, fix me. And we started knocking shit down. But I had to turn that crowd in front of me from haters into motherfuckers who had love for me right there in everybody else's face.

And that was a triumph. That's why I like being able to perform my shit more than listening to it. You know what I'm saying? That must have been a game changer, though. Yeah. Coming through that show. Did shit change? Did you know that shit changed

after that show for you? Yeah, I was still in high school. Damn. I was still in high school. I went back to high school like, yeah,

I just turned that NWA shit out. Yeah. You know, but I learned, I learned, that was a vanilla shit. Yeah, it was,

because I was passing out the flyers before and everything at school. They, you know, I had haters and shit. You know, they believed me.

Some of them didn't believe me. They thought I was bullshitting, but my real friends came up there, supported me, you know, I had haters and shit. You know, they believed me. Some of them didn't believe me. They thought I was bullshitting. But my real friends came up there and supported me. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to my real homies. Especially the homies at Brookfield, 98th and Brookfield. All my Hayward homies came through and supported me. Even when I was 16.

Shout out, baby. Blah! Goddamn. Well, Spice, we want you to know our show is about giving people their flowers. We want to give you your flowers face to face-face, man. A man, tell you how great you are, tell you how much you deserve these flowers. We've been, when we started this, we've been wanting to do it.

Yeah! Yeah! And in the words of Snoop, it's better than a Grammy because it comes from your people. You know what I'm saying? And it's all over with you, man. We've been trying to make it happen, man. Wow, I can't stop looking at this, bro.

That's what the fuck I'm talking about, Dory. That's right, goddamn. Damn, man. Thank you, y'all. Thank you, man. I really appreciate that shit. You know, you being my friend, but I've really written research.

I've really written research and did. And one of the things that was like a little disturbing to me was I believe you was like one of the first West Coast people to go platinum. Like I'm against the hip hop, right? Yeah. Besides like, you know, like Ice-T and Ice Cube, but that was still a different generation. Yeah.

So the new generation, he was like the first. But what made me a little upset was me reading and me researching and watching videos. And you said you only made $30,000 to $100,000 off of $11 million. Yeah, we really didn't get no money out of that. I couldn't even pay off my house and shit. So your album just made $11 million. You sold $11 million. Excuse me.

It made $11 million. It made $11 million. Made $11 million. You sold 11 million. Excuse me. It made 11 million. It made 11 million. Made 11 million. Well, you think we had $900,000 and $13 a unit. Right. Right.

You know what I'm saying? We're somewhere around there. And this is on Jive? This is on Jive, yeah. And I did like what, three or four more albums that did the same thing back to back.

Right. And this is all gangster shit. It wasn't no, I wasn't trying to make no hot singles and shit like that. I was just spitting what was on my mind, you know, because I really believed that if you said what you feel and kept shit real, then motherfuckers going to feel you out there. They're going to catch that same energy. So that's who I was, you know, floating that's what i was i was getting at all the real motherfuckers you know what i'm saying so shout out to all the real motherfuckers out there who bought my shit you know what i'm saying let me ask you right because um me i i i signed a

fucked up deal but i didn't have success my first album. Yeah. So me not being successful kind of worked out. Yeah. Because I had a fucked up deal but you had a fucked up deal with a successful album. Yeah. Yeah.

Successful albums he said. Albums. But I mean let's stay on that first one for a second right? Because is that when you figure out that you're in a fucked up situation

after that first album or is it the three? It took after the first, well, maybe the third album. Okay. And I started thinking like, you know,

hey, I know they made a lot of money, way more money than I did, but damn, at least I can just try to pay.

Can y'all pay off my house? My house is only $130,000. Why I ain't been able to pay off this house? Wow. You know what I'm saying? And you're still young. You're hella young.

Yeah, I'm only like 23, I think. So everything's new to you, You're hella young. Yeah, I'm only like 23, I think. So everything's new to you, all the economics and things. Yeah, I didn't know shit, man. I got into the game knowing nothing, but I had to learn, you know, the hard way. You know what I'm saying? I ended

up giving them more albums and falling deeper and deeper into it. By the time I got off the... I wanted to get And, uh, you know, by the end, by the time I got off the, I wanted to get off the contract, out of the contract and everything. Um,

they were, what, no, uh, promotion and marketing on the videos. The last album that you put down. Yeah. Like,

you know, so I got to leave. I want you to, yeah. With a, with a 200,000, uh, my last record due to 300,000,

you know, enough to get them some money, but, uh, enough to stop me from actually, yeah, from actually still in debt and from actually getting another deal. You know what I'm saying? So it was hard after that. But after 99, after I got off the label, I had to learn everything, right? You know, it took another 10 years to even learn the independent game.

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I made a lot of mistakes doing that. So, but to stay relevant, you know, all saying? And, you know, I made a lot of mistakes doing that. So, but to stay relevant, you know, all I just kept, you know, made sure that I mastered my craft and kept my sword sharpened as far as, you know, mastering my craft and being able to spit and, you know, get my audience fired up. You know what I'm saying? Being able to hold your own in a show or whatever, being able to get the crowd going or whatever when you spit, even though they ain't never heard the song or they know the song, your new shit, your old shit,

you got to kind of stay relevant out here. You got to keep spitting because that's what you do. I don't have another job. You know what I'm saying? I'm a rap artist. I don't have another job. I don't sell houses. I don't do no extra shit. I'm a rap artist. All my money I make came off this music. You know what I'm saying? And that's something I'm proud to say. You know what I'm saying? Even though there's a lot of other artists venture out into a lot of different

things, I just know this is what I'm good at and this is how I get my money. You know what I'm saying? Live, eat, shit this shit. You know what I'm saying? Live, eat, shit this shit. You know what I'm saying? So we had other artists on and a lot of them are looking forward to, what is it, 35 years or 30 years? 30 years. 30 years that your master reverts back to you.

Yeah, but then you got to go through a lot of paperwork or whatever and file this and file that. Then our soldiers went through it and got their shit back. Yeah, yeah. So it's possible where you do it. You just got to have the right team of people behind you to say, okay, look, let's get your fucking masters back.

Let's call this lawyer because you own all your shit now. Right. Because yours has been more than 30 years, correct? Yeah, yeah. So you should get yours back. Yeah, hell, all of it. I'm working on that. We're definitely working on that. When I do, y'all get yours back. Yeah, hell, I'm working on that. We're definitely

working on that. When I do, y'all definitely gonna know, you know what I'm saying? I'm dropping my own projects and doing my own shit.

And do your own shit over? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The remix of this and remix of that and whatever. Yeah, you got a release

joint, yeah. So, my first album, I didn't have the correct representation or whatever, right? But then that second album, I didn't have the, the correct representation or whatever, right? But then that second album, I went in. Yeah.

And, I'm talking about from War Report 2 to N.O.R.E. album. And then N.O.R.E. album, I like, I was, I don't want to say

like I became a dick. I didn't kind of trust anybody because I had just went through like the bad shit. So I was just like, you know what I mean? Was that something like, I don't want to say bitter because I wasn't bitter. I was just, what's that shit called? Paranoid.

Yeah. I was paranoid. Like I was, anybody who wanted to work with me, I was like, all right, cool. Let's do this like this, like this. Because I just felt like everyone was taking advantage of me. Right. Had you ever got to that point where you was just paranoid? Yeah, because you can see, you know, you can see people, you can tell when people don't really give a fuck, they're just kind of like trying to get the money

out of the situation, you know what I'm saying? And then you kind of like, well, you know, whatever happens, it's going to be at my expense. If this don't fall through, if that don't fall through, they're going to look at me. You know what I'm saying? But the people that you work with, you've got to have faith and confidence in them. And they've got to be real motherfuckers. You know what i'm saying um now uh you know better how to you know choose uh characteristics in a motherfucker back in the day you know we was just out here kind of he was trying to get out the hood yeah you know what i'm saying we was

trying to get out of the hood bro i didn't want to i made my first 15 grand uh uh uh make it through music it wasn't no, it wasn't a selling dope or shit like that. You made 15. I'm jealous of you, nigga. Hell yeah. Oh, shit. You made five.

I think, I want to remind you, remember, it was like, I think when we did that song. The song, yep. When we did. 99?

Yep. Yeah. Goddamn. And I was like. Was that at Battery Studios? Yeah. Battery Studios and Job, right? I was like, I was like, nah, man. I was like Was that at Battery Studios? Yeah Battery Studios and Job I was like

Nah man I was like I was And I think we did another song Until I did one with you Or something Yes And then I was like

I'm not going to charge you shit Yes And he was like No I'm not going to charge you shit Anyway And then I said Nah fuck that I said you got a major deal

I said hey I said charge me 10,000 I said, charge me $10,000. I'm going to charge you $10,000. We're going to buy some weed. We're going to get high on this motherfucker. We got paid. I'm like, hold on, man. We got to think about

this shit. Because, you know, me and him are one of our major arguments And sometimes I'm on his side And I feel like sometimes He's on my side too When Due to certain

Circumstances I always say that the artist Should actually start off major Get all that promotional money That Because they can't take back fame Yeah they can't take that They can't take back fame. Yeah, they can't take that. They can't take back fame.

Like, they can do, like I'm saying, use all the marketing dollars, you know, go on the tours, you know, go to the, you know, the breakfast clubs, the big boys, the drink champs.

Okay, we wasn't invented then. But, yeah, Ebros or whatever, like, use that up, at least for that first album, right? At least for that first album. whatever, like use that up, at least for that first album, right? At least for that first album. And once you become that superstar, that megastar,

then you either branch out and you tell them, yo, you know, I want to own a piece of myself or let me buy myself out of the contract. I mean, depending on how big you are, it's kind of impossible sometimes, but it is possible

Like God bless me For using this example But Before he Before he He was in jail Tory Lanez brought himself Out of his contract

He's one of the first artists To have a successful album And then go to his label And have enough money to say What do I owe Here's what I owe I want to leave Yeah

He did it That was a boss move right there He did it He had hits going on to say, what do I owe? Here's what I owe. I want to leave. Yeah. He did it. That was a boss move right there. He did it. He had hits going on. It's a minority that can do that. But you know what I'm saying? Having hits sometimes will work against you, though, EFN, because they're like, you made this money for us.

Yeah, but he's writing music. His checks were different than the average artist. Oh, because you're saying he was writing other artists' music on there? Yeah, he was very involved in the creative process. But listen to what I'm saying because you know how many of you argue about the situation I don't want to get into

an argument we don't argue about it we debate it no it's debate okay okay it's a debate it's a debate of men you know what I mean

not an argument it's a debate of men but what I'm saying is if you had enough bread and you could come to the label after selling one successful platinum album that is the ideal

quit essential situation when I'm talking about where you be independent major. Right, right. You understand what I'm saying? It's rare that that could happen. Yeah. It's very rare.

Very rare. But we've just seen it happen in this decade. Because the percentage of artists that even get signed and have successful releases is very minimal. That shit is like that.

How many artists you know get shelved? I know a lot of artists that get shoved. That shit is like the sperm trying to get to the egg. Yeah, man.

You know, it's like... They're all trying to get to that, to the radio department to push their record and only one gets there. This is an old school crazy hood drink.

Why is that? Is it nasty? No, it's the way it's made. It's the old school crazy hood drink. And it's the cups. Yeah, it's the old school crazy hood drink.

Yeah, but... You're going to put some shit together over there you got some 187 proof but um streaming you were streaming or nah I think that we need to get paid more cause you know what we not even getting a penny

a stream so that's just slavery bruh you know um damn you know it's like when are they gonna pay their motherfucking artists, man? Like, what are we, just slaves to the rhythm, bro? You know what I'm saying? We never going to get paid for this shit? Like, we really got to go after our money?

So, I mean, streaming is cool, but it's just, you know, you got to do so many streams to get some fucking money. It's ridiculous. I heard right now that artists are so dumb. I heard this from the inside of the inside, so I've got to be very careful with what I'm saying. Is that when a producer goes, produces the record,

they go to the person who has the master. And they say, well, who owns the master? They don't even speak to the artist. They don't even speak to the artist. That's what they're doing. That's how shady they are now. artists. Listen, Spike, what the fuck is they doing? This is how shady they are now.

Who's they, by the way? I can't say, buddy. The streaming company? No, I'm saying in general. In general. Not streaming company. But what they doing is they saying, all right, yeah, all right, bust it, bust it.

You're weird. Us three is Illuminati. All right, listen. Not Illuminati. Don't put that on us. Okay, no, I'm putting it on you. But listen, listen, hit me out. You know what I'm saying.

Spice comes to me. He signs the artist, right? He signs the artist. Okay. I'm the producer. Right. He owns the master. I'm the producer.

Automatically, I own 50% of that other thing. Right? Then they go to the publisher and then have the publisher buy the artist publisher out. And the artist has nothing the artist doesn't even have to be in this meeting

to get his publishing board? no no no what I'm saying is he owns the master I'm labeled as the producer and then you

I forget what your role was what did I say your role was? you didn't give me a role no he didn't give me a role oh you're the publishing company yes you're the publishing company so the artist is so dumb they get their advance and're the publishing company. Yes, you're the publishing company. So the artist is so dumb, they get their advance

and then the publishing company comes to them and say, here goes another. And he just signs off. Because if a person says to you, I'm going to take your H2O, you say, who gives a fuck?

But you say, I'm going to take your air. They'll be like, oh shit, air makes sense. So that's what they, they worded it a different way. So the artist have, the artist literally, when they give advances on it a different way So the artists Yeah that's real shit

Literally talking about When they give advances On publishing Yeah Yeah so So the artists Literally have nothing to do With their own shit

If you don't If you don't If you have Like one of those records That is just Reacting In the neighborhood And it's not in these clubs

And it's not in the radio Then you literally Will be broke Like literally You will literally have nothing because there's no residuals. Yeah. At least they gave us

a little residuals. Yeah, you get, like they say, you get half a cent. Word. You ain't really getting shit, you know. Anybody you deal with nowadays

and you talk to them, they say, you know, I ain't no money in this industry. I ain't no money in the game right now, you know. Except for CEO. Except for the CEO. Except for streaming companies.

Yeah, the streaming companies. They ain't getting all the money. Leo Cohn said to us, it's the best time to get in the music industry because you don't have to produce the music, meaning you don't have to produce the CDs. Remember how much the cost? Remember how you did the album?

You did the album, and at the end of the album... You know how easy it was to account for that? Huh? How easy it was for you for that huh how easy it was for you to account if you made your own CDs or you pressed up CDs

and we was complaining about that shit we were complaining about yo we can't track the CDs you can't track a fucking stream for nothing not at all

for shit for nothing and the streaming company would be like oh yeah you had a million streams and really you had three million streams

yeah and you know they don't cut checks if you don't reach a certain threshold of streams so they keeping some money from small artists you don't reach a certain threshold of streams. So they're keeping some money from small

artists that don't reach, let's say, a thousand streams, right? If you have 999 streams, you don't get a check. Wow. So that means they're holding checks for all, because you know now there's a million artists out there throwing their music into the system. So they're keeping

that money, they're keeping that money, they're keeping that money. They keeping that money. They keeping that money. Yeah. Oh, and this is my point. They get all that. Mind you, I told you two different stories. One was from Lior, and one was from these other people. So that lets you know that right now, so many people are opening record companies just because of that.

It's because of their relationship with the... So you're the record company, I'm the producer, and he's the publisher. But we all down with each other. I don't be the publisher, bro. No, you the publisher. You're the record company I'm the producer And he's the publisher But we all down I don't be the publisher bro No you the publisher You the publisher But they all down together

And then they sign Kareem Who is the artist Kareem doesn't know Kareem thinking that I'm taking your publishing Yeah he's taking your publishing I'm taking your Your masters

You taking the masters No no no He owns the masters Oh you taking his masters Yes yes And you foul man Yeah that's That's how I fucked up This game What were you having You think it's the Masters? No, no, no. He owns the Masters because he got him signed. Oh, you're taking his Masters? Yes, yes. You're wild, man. Yeah, that's how I fucked up this game.

What the hell you having? Like, you don't own shit. I've been on my first meeting and I got to go to the bathroom and come right back. My very first meeting, my very first meeting as a solo artist.

I was on Capone on the Norea. Capone gets locked up and I go to a meeting and for some reason I go early. No rapper goes nowhere early, but I knew that was my advantage. Right, for some reason I go early. No rapper goes nowhere early

but I knew that was my advantage. Right, right. So I went there a half an hour maybe 45 minutes early. My lawyer is in there with her shoes off

getting fed grapes. I'm like, this is not going to be a good deal for me. This is like, it was like, it was nothing bad going on

but what I'm saying is first of all, what the fuck are you doing here early? Early, getting fed crazy. And getting fed great. And I don't want to say who it is because I do business with Scott. But the fucking label, I mean. I don't want to use the back of my mouth. Yeah, I'm next up to you.

But look, with all that being said, and you being signed to Jive, and going through all this that you went through but the the area you come from the bay and that surrounding area is so known for independence for out the trunk sales was there a time from where you're like damn what why am i on a label and why what are those guys doing that i should be doing um you know i it was but um i had what um we had dropped 187 proof uh the um the uh we the single and then the the the uh ep let it be known and it was it was just blew the fuck up you know what i'm saying like it like it was everywhere you know i was already touring in different states and all of that shit um after the first ep independent the first independent ep just set me the fuck off you know what i'm saying and um and then jive came so i didn't really have so you didn't do independence before the major on yeah yeah but but it was it was with another uh it was an independent label right right with

this uh lady because i was you know i was you know i was i was 20 years old i didn't know shit But it was with another, it was an independent label. Right, right. With this lady. Because I was, you know, I was 20 years old. I didn't know shit. So all I knew was rap and get the money. You know what I'm saying? And this label came, Triad Records, this lady named Georgette Willis. And she come out and she like, I got a record label. She meet me on a dope, on a dope track where I'm selling dope.

You know, I'm looking at her like, what the fuck? I'm here. You know, what are you doing here? She's like, you want to buy some dope and shit? She's like dope, but not that dope. Yeah, and I'm like, you know, she's like, are you Spice One? I'm like, yeah. You know, she's like, can I get a tape?

And I gave her a tape and shit that I had made or whatever. Oh, she was selling crack and tapes at the same time? No, no. You came out with the wrong one. I'm going to make some noise for you. Oh, you mean him? Yeah? No, no. You came down the wrong way. Let's make some noise for you, man. Oh, you mean him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had my dope down the cellar,

down the sewer and shit tied to the fishing string, you know, take nine in the bushes like the song say. She ride up, you know what I'm saying? She like, you know,

White lady or black lady? Huh? White lady or black lady? She was like this Creole lady, man. She was beautiful. I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck?

She was in like white Creole lady, man. She was beautiful. I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck? And she was in like white Mercedes Benz, white business skirt. And I'm like, what the fuck this lady doing here? Get up out of here, lady. That's all I'm thinking. You freaking killed me. We got beat for these niggas. Tell them now. Your shortstop is down there.

It's been going down. My cousin riding around with a 45 hanging out of his pocket on a bike. And I'm sitting over there with the Technine in the bushes, and she pull up. I'm like, hey, will you spice one? You got a tape? I gave her the tape, and the next day, I talked to her on the phone a few times, and

the next day, she came over, and I had to have my mom. I was still young. I had my mom there and all of that shit to talk to her about forest business. And my mother was like, you know, is this what you want to do? I'm like, I'm selling dope on the street nobody ever heard of in Hayward, California. She didn't know.

Your mom didn't know that, did she? No, no. I didn't tell her that. She had an idea, but, you know, I wasn't putting it out there and shit. But, you know, so, yeah. So I signed the shit, and we did an and, um, man, we did the EP. We put out, and banks came in the mix, uh,

and started, um, remixing the songs that I had already had, uh, in my neighborhood and one, eight, seven proof and all of that. He started coming in and he,

and he threw his, his, his, his shot in there and threw me a few beats and we had an EP. You know what I'm saying? We released the EP, man. Next thing you know,

it's all over the bay. Like I actually got a chance to go into the record store back in the day and watch them just buy my shit off the shelf and just sit there and watch it all go. Like, you know, I'm sitting there. They don't know it's me. Right. Just like in the dream, though.

It's crazy. I'm just sitting there, you know, like. There was no video of Music Box back then. Yeah, yeah. It was just starting. Okay. And we did one A7 proof video, and we had claymation figures

in there. You know, we actually had the bottles running around, shooting each other and shit. You know what I'm saying? The video was crazy. And, you know, I never thought that, I was like, this shit is kind of crazy. Like, they ain't gonna like that. But it was number one on the box for a long time. And I had to come out here to Miami. Yeah, the box

was out here. To the box. But the box was out here in South Beach I had to come out here to Miami. Yeah, the box was out here. To the box. Oh, the box was out here? In South Beach. They had their office in South Beach? Yeah, yeah. I remember. That was literally the last time I was out here. Wow. Hold on.

Literally the last time you was in Miami. That's crazy, man. Because when the box was there? Let's take a shot. And then bring Chad. Let's take a shot. And then bring Chad. You the bad boy, right?

No, no, but I just have a question. Okay. So you signed with her She's independent The deal you do with Jive is it with her or no? It was literally yeah it was with her They you know she wanted me to stay With With the label and do the independent thing

It really didn't But to her she said You know if you want to go with a major label, I'll let you out of the contract and you can rock with it. Oh, so she wasn't a part of the deal. She just let you go from. No, they gave her some money, too. Some paper, okay. You know, and I wanted to do that. I was like, no, I don't want to just go like that.

Like, you know, let them pay you. You know what I'm saying? Right. Because if it wasn't for you, this shit wouldn't have been possible. Right. So, yeah, whatever they're going to pay you, man, get that money. Get your money, girl. You know what I'm saying because if it wasn't for you this shit wouldn't have wouldn't have been possible so yeah whatever they gonna pay you man get that money

get your money girl you know what I'm saying I'm finna go over here and get some money you know what I'm saying then I get over there and they just run through me

you know what I'm saying just not really you know you get these advances 30,000 40,000 then I get 80,000 for the first time and my manager disappeared. Your third album?

Your manager, right. Like so, you know, man, the whole time, you know, you getting, you getting gaffled the whole time, bruh, if you don't, you know, like you trust people, you be around people thinking that, you know, that somebody, you know, people that you got in your circle is cool, but they behind your back, bro, you know, it really ain't what it's saying, what you think it is. You know what I'm saying? And in retrospect, you think if you would have stayed with her

and kept going and grinding independent, you would have made probably more bread. Yeah. Because I heard you say you made way more money independent than you did. Yeah, because I made, you know, I just made it, you know, the first $15,000 independent

and, you know, I thought I was on top of the world, you know what I'm saying? But it was better than, you know, selling dope, jacking niggas and shit, stealing cars and all that. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, I felt that was a better deal. See, me personally, me and EFM, we always argue over this. I believe in that theory that a better deal. See, me personally,

me and EFM, we always argue over this. I believe in that theory that I just said. Like, I like the majors to a certain extent. You know what I mean? Like, I like staying at, you know.

Yeah, when you got the right deal with them, everything is good, but then, it's like the certain deals that they give you, or they try to give you, and you try to renegotiate,

it all depends on how bad they want you as an artist. And they always, you know, the thing is like, it's like you got to make them come to you. You can't go to them. You got to make them come to you. Just like, you know, a pimp will tell you, you know, you can't go to them. You got to make them come to you. You got to be so fly. Your shit got to be just so dope to that point to where you make them come to you to where they know they can make money dealing with you. You know what I'm saying? And that's the trick, you know, because when you go to them, they treat you like you went to them.

When they come to you, then, you know, they acquiring your services. So you got to, you know, you got to negotiate a room and shit or whatever. You know what I'm saying? But when you go to them like you need something, they're going to, you know, you got a negotiating room and shit or whatever, you know what I'm saying? But when you go to them like you need something, they're going to treat you like you need something. Was there any time

that you, did you like being on a label? Oh, I love being on a label. Okay. It's just the point of, of the business part wasn't right. You know what I'm saying?

The relationships between me and the people on the label was beautiful. But the business relationship wasn't right. You know, I wasn't getting paid. Like, I never got the chance to buy my mama that house, even before she died.

You know what I'm saying? I didn't get that money like that. Do you blame that more on your team, or are you blaming it more on the label? I kind of blame it on myself for trusting people, trusting the wrong people. You know what I'm saying? I shouldn't people, trusting the wrong people. You know what

I'm saying? I shouldn't have trusted none of them cats. You know, I should have went to maybe some different people or something and dealt with them. But, you know, everything is a lesson to be learned. And now it's full speed ahead. You know, I look back just for clarification and learning experience. But I just move ahead because it's like, damn, you know, I got to watch this and watch that. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, you always got to think back and say, damn, you know, if I wouldn't have did this, this would have happened. You know what I'm saying? But it's all a learning experience now.

It's so long long who was your management back then um I had uh I had John I had this guy named John John Crashner

then I had Chaz Hayes and I had um and I had uh uh who's that after Chaz Hayes cause I stopped having managers after that

um yeah i can't even remember but i just stopped having managers after that kind of just like you know man you need to learn the business because so you manage yourself yeah yeah it's too much money involved you know know, and for me to trust anybody, just somebody out of the blue, you know, just saying they can be a manager and they have no credentials or clarifications or no contacts to, you know,

I say, okay, you a manager, go give me a deal if you're a manager. Or give me a good deal. I need a good deal for at least 1.5, go give me a deal for 1.5 so we can actually drop a real project. I need a good deal for at least 1.5, go give me a deal for 1.5 so we can actually drop a real project and I can do what I need to do. You know what I'm saying?

And that's hard to find. You can't, you know? So, I mean, with all of that said, it's like, shit, I gotta go give me a deal for 1.5. I gotta, and at the same time, I gotta make them come to me. I can't go to them a deal for 1.5. I got to, and at the same time, I got to make them come to me. I can't go to them.

You know what I'm saying? But a lot of these cats nowadays, they, you know, they got, they got enough D-Boy money to just say, okay, I got 1.5 to invest in my first single to go platinum. You know what I'm saying? So it's different when you,

when, you know, when you, you going purely off talent, trying to go off your skills. And then you got, then the cat that got the bread and his shit is kind of cool, it's kind of dope, but, you know, he got enough money, enough money to put into it to make the shit sound like the best shit you ever heard in your life.

You know what I'm saying? Make it look cool. Yeah. So let me ask you ever heard in your life. Make it look cool. So let me ask you, because in our era, you had to be skilled. You had to be nice. You had to be dope. You had to be dope. To get put on. Right now, it's a popularity

contest. Labor will sign anything or get down with anything that's popular. It doesn't matter if the shit is talking about suck your own elbow. You know what I'm saying?

Like, they don't care. Like, they don't care. Did you ever think that hip-hop would go to that route where it's just like, hey, cut my toenails? I thought that mainstream hip-hop would go that route.

You thought that mainstream would go that route. It wouldn't go that route but i thought that mainstream would go that route yeah it wouldn't go that once yeah once they got to the mainstream once it got to mainstream it's like ain't no telling what the hell they do with this shit now because remember there's a time in hip-hop where being on the radio was frowned upon like if he was really a hip-hop like hammer hammer for instance right well i mean he got a lot of slack yeah for being as mainstream as he was but but in But in general Like remember the song EPMD did Crossover

Yeah It's all like Being on the radio People were like I don't want to be on the radio Because it's going to look like I'm going mainstream Dude it was times where

I remember I got the The funny memory of Of Eazy-E And Too Short Trying to talk me Into going to the radio station Without the pistol.

You've never, you've been there without it before? I didn't want to go in there without the pistol. Oh, wow. We was in that last. And these were two G's telling you that. Yeah. I got two short and easy E's in there like, man, you know, short like, man, you can't bring that shit in here, Chico.

You can't bring the pistol in here, man. Short like, man, you got to just go in there and do the interview. Just go in there. Easy. Like, you got to just go in there and do the interview. You know what I'm like? I'm not going in there without my shit. I'm like, you know, hey, come on, show.

You know what it is. You know what I'm saying? Is that because of how much beef you had in the streets? Yeah, yeah, because of that. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, you know, I'm not doing it. He's like, just easy. Like, just go in there for about 15 minutes,

man, and you can come out and shit. And I'm like, I don't know. It took him about 30 minutes to talk to me. And then I said, damn, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to put the banger up in the car and go in there. You know, I'm sitting there like, this shit is crazy, you know what I'm saying? I'm on the radio

and I know I got enemies out here. These niggas can pull up to this motherfucker any minute. That's what I'm trying to tell y'all. Can we just get the interview done? You know, I'm saying? I'm on the radio, and I know I got enemies out here. These niggas can pull up to this motherfucker any minute. That's what I'm trying to tell y'all. Can we just get the interview done? I'm trying to hurry up and get this shit done, you know what I'm saying? And this is in the Bay, or this is in L.A.? In L.A. Okay, go ahead.

And, you know, Eazy was like, I got some niggas outside. I want you to meet after you finish doing the interview. And it was Bone Thugs. That's when I first met them. Oh, wow. That was cool. That was out in the van and shit. The Eazy-E van.

It was like a video. I went out there. The Eazy-E met them. Oh, wow. That was cool. That was out in the van and shit. The Easy E-Van. It was like a video. I went out there. The Easy E-Van was out there, and they opened up. Hella Smoke popped out, and then Bone Thugs popped out. And I was like, hey, what's up? They were like, is that Bone Thugs? Yeah, yeah. My niggas, man, for life, all day.

Y'all do music together? You and Bone Thugs? Well, I got a song. I got songs with me and Lazy. I think like two songs. Because I definitely hear it. Yeah, hell yeah. Y'all would sound great together. I got a song. I got songs with me and Lazy. I think like two songs. Because I definitely hear it. Yeah, hell yeah. Y'all would sound great together.

I got a song with Crazy, too. I just need to get it. We all need to get together and do one song. Like, you know. But hell yeah, man. Those my guys. Yeah, let's go. Explain them the rules.

All right, this is our drinking game. Ready, Spice One? Let's go. We'll give you two choices. Pick one we not drinking. By the way, I've been trying to get this nigga drunk for years. He don't get drunk. I sit there drinking.

I'm telling you, it's not going to work for him. Let's see what happens. If you say both or neither of the choices, I have hope because he has Hennessy. I have hope. I don't know, man. Is he for life Henny drinker? He's not going to get drunk. I like grew up on that shit. Hey, Benzino grew up on it too. He might turn around and punch Sonny, but he's not going to get drunk. I like grew up on that shit. Hey, Benzino grew up on it too.

He might turn around and punch Sonny, but he's not going to get drunk. Hey, when I used to get sick, my pops would make a hot toddy, and it would be Hennessy and tea. So I've been drinking. I literally grew up on this shit. Your pops is a gangster. You want a hot tattie? Hit his hot tattie.

You just said this is a drinking game. Even when I explain the rules, it don't matter. Nobody gets the rules. I did. I said you pick one we're not drinking. Pick two or none. We drinking. Okay, you ready, Spice?

Let's go. All right. And give us any stories. Anybody we talk about. Okay, for damn sure. Rakim or KRS-One? And it don't got to be whatever the criteria to you.

It could be they're your best friend, they make great eggs and ham, whatever. Shit, man. KRS-One. Okay. Oh, I like, you picked. Okay. Tup I like you picked. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Tupac or Mac Dre? Woo. By the way, those two guys over there write the questions, the Colombian and Dominican. Mm-hmm. Just in case. We don't write these questions. Yeah.

Yeah, y'all crazy. It's the cocaine section over there, just so you know. Because the fans get mad at us. They get mad at us. Like, yo, he a fat, you foul. They sniffing cocaine, and they looking at you. They analyze you. They come up with the questions. Damn, I'm going to have to go with Pac.

Okay. Okay. Nah, you know what? I can't even say that, bro. You want to say both? Yeah. All right, take your shot. Take your shot.

Jamie, where you at? Oh, damn, you right there. Shit. No, no, no. Come up down there, bro. Cheers, cheers, cheers. We with you, nigga. Cheers, take your shot. Take your shot. Jamie, where you at? Oh, damn, he right there. Shit. No, no, no. Come on down. Cheers, cheers, cheers. We want you, nigga. Cheers, cheers, cheers.

He just left us. Hey. Ooh, fella. You know what I mean? When you say shout, it's either shout or either the... Right away, like, shout out to him. This one right here. By the way, let's come back for writing this one

Miss Dillon remember those two over there get mad E-40 or too short ah shit shot shot shot

shot o'clock I'll take a shot on that one salute by the way I don't think I can pick between E-40 and too short I'm from New York

40 like my big cousin and short is like my uncle short used to pick me up from school man take me to the studio that's crazy yeah 40 or too short this is not on the question list well 40 probably.

Yeah. Because 40 drank. You know, he used to. He'd get it in. Yeah. See, that's my friend. And he'd get crazy when he'd get drunk.

He'd get funny. Were you 40? Yeah. Well, he didn't get that crazy with us when he drank with us. No, no, no. But you start doing this shit. Shout out to him.

Yeah. But next time we drink with him, he gonna go. You can see it on my food show. He got crazy? Oh, yes. And he's a connoisseur of wine. By the way, like I...

And wine became you fucked up. Like a hood, a hood, hood, like black dudes, like sometimes you be looking at them like, come on, how you gonna be a connoisseur? But then you really realize... He finds a connoisseur of a lot of shit, though. He knows the shit.

No, come on, of wine. He's a connoisseur of a lot of shit, though. He knows his shit. No, come on. He's a super expert. Like, puts his nose in his shit and do all that crazy shit. Like, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Hell yeah.

Yeah, I like that shit. I like when we got elegance. Fuck that. So shout out E-40, two-shot both drink champs alumni. Hell yeah. I was going to take

a shot for that anyway. Okay. Jay-Z or Big Daddy Kane? Damn. Man, Big Daddy Kane? Damn. Man, Big Daddy Kane. Okay. You met him? Nah, but I'm just, you know, Big Daddy Kane is just, that's a fly nigga right there, man.

I always try to be like Big Daddy. I was trying to be like Big Daddy Kane when I was a youngster a few times. You know what I'm saying? Cut your eyebrows like him? Like, you know, cut the little side like that. Come on. Come on, shit is bushy. Hell yeah.

So, we're not taking a shot. Okay. Go ahead. You can do the next one. Run DMC or Digital Underground? I think I know what you're going to say. Damn. I got to take a shot.

Oh, shit. Salud. Salud. Salud. You was around Digital Underground a lot? Yeah, I was around. Well, Digital Underground, I met Shaq G at a place called Music Unlimited. And I was rapping with Too Short at the time.

And even, it was funny because Master P had brought me up, took me up there. Like, Master P used to pick me up, too, and be like, nigga, you rap with two shout, nigga. I'd be driving around the car. Master P used to hang out with Richmond. Yeah. Okay, not too far. He'd come pick me up, dude.

You know, because I was, you know, I'm damn young, so I'm like two or three years younger. He'd come smoke me up and shit. We'd be driving around. He'd be like, nigga, you rap with two shout, nigga. You know, we'd be driving. He'd you rap with 2 Show, nigga. You know, we driving, I went to Music Unlimited or something, and Shock G,

you know, he's like, yeah, I went up there and I think I was getting some microphone or something up there, and he was playing the keyboards up there and shit. And I was like, damn, dude is dope as fuck on the keyboards and stuff. Walked over there and started talking to him, and he was like, yeah, I'm Shock G, man, I got a group called Digital Underground. I was like, yeah, I rap with 2 Show, man, we got a group called the Dangerous Crew and stuff, walked over there and started talking to him. And he was like, yeah, I'm Shock G, man. I got a group called Digital Underground. I was like,

yeah, I rap with Too Short, man. We got a group called the Dangerous Crew and shit. You know what I'm saying? I think I'm like 16, bro. About 15, 16. You know, and that's when I met Shock G. So it was always, and Money B, you know, I knew him too.

You know, he used to be in the east side of the bay around Union City and Hayward and Oakland and all that. I just knew him through the streets anyway. So these was kind of mutual homies before they even— Before they came out with What You Like and Humpty Jam. Yeah, and I had heard Tupac, too, through a lot of stuff, too, before I met him. He had, like, a little stuff floating around the hood and shit, you know, little songs and shit. So, you know, everybody was kind of pushing

even back then. That's dope. And by the way, when we have guests here, we always bet if they're going to be late or if they're going to be on time. Oh, yeah. Who lost a bet? You made all of us money today.

You made me late early. He was late early. Okay. Yuck Mouth or JT the bigger figure? Damn. I gotta take a shot. Take a shot. Salute.

Salute to the Yuck Mouth. Oh my God. That's a good one Ready? Rapping Forte or Drew Down? I definitely gotta take a shot on him Me and Forte go back to To the Dangerous Crew You know

To Yeah To the Dangerous Crew And Drew Down You know man That's that's just my guy right there. You know, I talk to him every other day. We ride bikes and all that shit. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean.

What kind of bikes? I got a Riker. Motorbikes? I got a Riker 900. It's like I got the two in the front, one in the back, like the fucking, like a spider, but a sporty version of the spider. You talking about the white boy shit? Yeah. You been a bicycle, nigga. No. You talking about the white boy shit? Yeah, really.

You been a bicycle, nigga. No, I'm talking about the shit. Okay. You talking about the motorcycle shit. I think you talking about BMX and Tony Hawk and shit like that. No, I'm talking about the motherfucking motorcycle. You talking about burn rubber in this motherfucker, you know what I'm saying?

Don't tell me you're part of a gang. Yeah, I got my helmet and shit, you know what I'm saying? You got another jacket? Yeah, I got my helmet and shit. You know what I'm saying? You got another jacket? Yeah, I got my vest. Oh, shit. You packed it? I'm a Vegas rider. I got my patches and everything and shit. You down with the Harley-Davidson glove?

Yeah, we ride out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Drew down, too. You know what I'm saying? We ride together sometimes. But, you know, he got to ride all the way out to Vegas and shit. That's like a nine-hour ride.

You know what I'm saying? But if you a rider, a nine-hour ride, you know what I'm saying? If you a rider, you a rider, man. You know what I'm saying? You just go. You ride by yourself? Nine hours? Yeah, you got to go hard. I done rode through storms and all that shit.

How about pigeons? Does pigeons ever fuck with you? Yeah, shit, you got to watch all that shit, bro. Who needs them? Hey, hey, when shit hits you on that bike, it hits you like, because you going like a hunter. No, he doesn't want the No, you keep the vest. You know what I'm saying?

You ever seen the movie Wild Hogs? Yeah, I've seen that shit. See how much it was hitting Martin? That shit hits you hard, too. Even the rain. I see a storm coming. I'm like, fuck it, just go. But even it hits you.

The rain, even it would hit your hands. And you hear it hitting your helmet and shit like that. That shit hit hard when you ride. But you a rider, you a motherfucking rider, man. So when did you become half white? Shit. I'm just fucking with you. I got some white shit in me, too.

There's a lot of clubs, man, that ain't not white. A lot of clubs. Yeah, there's a lot of, especially, you know. Like, send dogs in the club, too. Well, you got the East Bay Dragons in Oakland. That was the first motorcycle, black motorcycle club. East Bay Dragons. And they real, you know.

The Cousins of the Panthers? Huh? The Cousins of the Panthers? Something like that. Okay. I guarantee you a few Panthers was up in there. They're still up in there. You know what I'm saying?

So, I mean, you know. Yeah, man. You know, I just like burning still up in there. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, you know. Yeah, man. You know, I just like burning rubber on the motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Just hitting corners all the time. Okay, burning rubber means, right? Right.

You know what I'm saying? Smoking. That doesn't mean. I don't know what you're saying. My uncle Darrell was a black biker. I'm like black biker. Hey, when you come out to Vegas, let me know. Shit, I got an extra one. You can hop on that motherfucker. I'm like black biker. Hey, when you come out to Vegas, let me know.

I got an extra one. You can hop on that motherfucker. I'm going to watch you. Yo, I got to see you. I got to see you. I got to see you. I'll be watching you. You got to burn rubber.

I'll be watching for the Uber. It ain't as fast as a 900, but you can get the 600 and you can ride on there. You know. So you in Vegas? You live in Vegas? Yeah. Yeah. I'm out there now. Okay, let's get back to that.

Hold on. Back to... All right. Biggie or Big Pond? Man, I got to take a shot. Okay. Because I love Big Pond and Biggie, man. You feel the real spit.

I heard Biggie. They asked him who was his favorite rapper on the West Coast. Spice One. And that nigga said Spice One. I said, okay, that's my nigga. I don't give a fuck. If he don't get no bigger. He was on the West Coast, man.

If he don't get no bigger, that's my nigga. I heard that interview. I think I heard that. I think it's the same interview he kind of said something bad about E-40 that Yeah I think it's the same interview He kind of said something bad About E-40 on Yeah I think it's the same interview

It was in the middle of that shit You know what I'm saying You were in the middle of it Yeah Okay damn I'm like you know I fuck with all my East Coast niggas It's hard

Because you know Method Man Man I think I'm the only West Coast nigga On Wu-Tang's greatest hits man You know what I'm saying Like that song with me And Method Man

Is on their greatest hits Wow And I listen to's greatest hits, man. You know what I'm saying? Like that song with me and Method Man is on their greatest hits. And I listen to the greatest hits. I didn't hear nobody but me on there talking about, yeah, man. That was his shit, you know? Shout out to the whole Wu-Tang clan. I love them niggas, bro. You know what I'm saying? Dr. Dre or DJ Quik?

Mm. You know we're going to have to take a shot on that one, Brad. I love how you with it. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. Hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian, Dr. Randall Williams and best-selling author and meat-eater founder

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Because without the original Tupac, it wouldn't be a Death Row Tupac. Like, you know, he had to, you know, learn a lot of shit and go through a lot of shit to become the Death Row Tupac and I respect that original Tupac for doing that. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, damn, you went through a lot of shit to get to this point in your life

to where, you know, we sitting up here and you telling me, this is what it was. This is why everybody was confused. He's sitting here telling me, he like, I'm going to show all these niggas what it is to This is why everybody was confused. He's sitting here telling me, he's like, I'm going to show all these niggas what it is to be a real thug nigga. I heard you say that.

You die and you go to jail, nigga. That's what happened. He said, I'm going to show y'all niggas what it is to be a real nigga. What happens to a real nigga? This thug life, nigga. And he was like, when I die, they ain't going to be able to compare. Every rapper that come out behind me, they're going to have to compare them to me. And he's sitting here telling me this.

You know what I'm saying? This is the original Tupac. It's the original Tupac. You know what I'm saying? When we youngsters, we riding around Oakland and shit. You know what I'm saying? We got the top down, popping that bitch's red leg mirror. You know what I'm saying?

This is what he's telling me. And I'm with it. I'm like, hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? Fuck that. But not knowing, you know, this nigga literally telling his prophecy, you know what I'm saying? Like, now, you can't even, a rapper, any artist that's rap right now, they compare him to Tupac, and then they even get mad sometimes. Oh, don't compare me to Tupac. You should be motherfucking really happy they compare your ass to Tupac, no matter who the fuck you are, you know what I'm saying?

Real shit. Real shit. So, I mean, you know, that's why I like the original Pac, because I've seen his, you know, his destination and where he was going to is where he was, you know, where he was headed and shit. Most of the time I have artists on here that we, they even have a relationship with Tupac from the beginning, like meaning like the Digital Underground days,

the Oakland days, and then we have people that separate that have been on, that only knows that Def wrote Tupac, right? Real quick before I go to the next question. Can you describe, in your opinion, I'm talking about, what was the difference between each?

The difference was, like, he was more focused on the world opposed to focused on, you know, this beef he just got into because he got shot and all of that shit. You know what I'm saying? That altered his... I'm saying the original was focused on the world and the death row one was focused on the beef. Yeah.

Okay. I mean, in general, let's just be honest, he got shot. Yeah. Shot to be killed and he survived it. That's going to change anybody, man.

I agree. That's going to change... That's traumatic. There's a lot of shit. I want to get into that. You know, I want to say, you know, Lil' C's, you know, if he see this interview and he's listening, bro, when you, you know, we do need to talk. You know what I'm saying? I remember, you know, in the middle of this shit, in the middle of the beef, I was in, I was at a club out in New York and I was talking to Allen Iverson and shit and Black Rob came up and told me Lil Cease wanted to holler at me

and I was still mad because Pac had got shot you know and I was I was hot. So Pac's not dead, Pac just got shot. Yeah. Okay go ahead. The Quad City. After the elevator yeah after the Quad City I was hot you know cause he had just told me the whole thing what happened and all that shit and I seen it dent in his head

and I was still fucking hot you know what I'm saying like how the fuck you come out here and get shot man you know what I'm saying like how the fuck you come out here and get shot man you know what I'm saying so but so Lil Cease was like you know tell Spice

I want to holler at him and I was like you know man fuck that nigga I don't need to go over there bro you know what I'm saying cause I was hot

but you know probably need to have that drink pimping real spit yeah yeah nah nah yeah for sure y'all need to connect

um okay now let's reach to the other one me against the world Real spit. Yeah. Yeah, nah, nah. Yeah, for sure, y'all. Don't connect. Okay, now let's reach to the other one. Me Against the World or Machiavelli? Take a shot. Oh, shit. You leading the witness. I'm my bad. Relax, man.

Look, he's taking a shot anyway. I can't choose between that. You can't choose between fire pop. Fire pop. Okay. Well, fucking, uh. They're both great albums, so. Woo! So,

Shared So Many Tears video, I was, I was, 40 was in that video. Hmm. Pac was in jail, I think. So he had the double come through and shit.

Motherfucker, you know. And I was, um, I don't know, I was really fucked up to do it when he came in there and shit. Because I was mad because my homie was locked up and shit. Who? The double? Yeah. Oh, shit.

Yo, come on. You a foul nigga. You mean the Pac double? You was bullying the double? I was like, who is you, nigga? You not Pac. You didn't know he was hired from your own team? How you fucking just going to come in here looking like my nigga, man?

Who is this nigga, man? What's this nigga up out here, bro? But I was hired, man. We ended up being cool, though. We strike now. You know what I'm saying? I was just kind of like, man, you know what I'm saying? I ain't Pac, nigga.

You know what I'm saying? Back up, man. I'm curious for this one. Method Man or Red Man? Shit. Man, hell no. We got to drink to that. Both of those my homeboy.

Me and Meth got the song. Me and Red Man got the song with MC8. That shit slapped. You know, we got the song with MC8. Right. That shit slapped. We always been cool with them cats. We never had no disagreements or nothing. I've been knowing them for years. Last time I seen Redman was in the airport. I passed him. We chopped it up for a minute and shook hands.

We was both in a rush. You know what I'm saying? Now these are the truth. Menace to society or boys in the hood? Menace to society. Because your ties to menace to society? Yeah. Because you was there when Pac beat the nigga up too, right?

Yeah, yeah. I was kind of. Did you see how I waved into that? I kind of. You was there when that happened? I kind of gassed it up, right? Yeah. It went down to hell.

You was like, yeah, don't get up. I up right Yeah It went down to hell You was like yeah Don't get up I didn't think they was Going to be at the video though But if I knew that They was going to be there I wouldn't have been Saying all that shit

Because Pac was like I'm going to beat They motherfucking ass And I was like You ain't going to do Nothing nigga I was like What you going to do

You ain't going to do Nothing nigga What you going to do He was like I'm going to beat their ass Watch I'm going to fuck Them niggas up

And I was like You ain't going to do Nothing He slapped the paper On my knee Soon as Iiggas up. And I was like, you ain't gonna do that. The author could have written the paper. Yeah, because he slapped the paper on my knee as soon as I got in the car and I was drunk as hell. And I was like, what the fuck is this? Youngins, that was the first internet. It was called the paper. The newspaper. You had to actually read, not

go on your phone. You had to go to the front of your porch and pick up the paper. And actually pick up the paper and read it. That was our first internet. He was supposed to be in Menace Society. He was Sharif. I was supposed to be O-Dog.

You know. Get the fuck out of here. They told us this at the video. I was going to be O-Dog. I had the script and everything. My manager at the time didn't follow through with the fucking shit, so I ended up firing his ass. Fired the fuck out of that nigga. You know what I'm saying?

Throw a motherfucking ass up out of here. Fucked off a major motion picture movie roll nigga. He's still a little fucking, fuck him.

I don't even know who he is, but fuck him. Asshole. You should fire him again right now. I'm firing him again. You are firing him again.

Damn it. You know, I had the script and everything. I'm sitting here reading the script and all of that shit. Waiting on the script and all of that shit, waiting on the call and all of that.

Ain't no fucking finna be no call because this motherfucker ain't called nobody. And you still got the stocking cap on, just like old dog did. Yeah, you know, that's how we was rocking. You know what I'm saying? I got my stew bag on. Had the motherfucking braids and shit.

I was tripping like, oh shit, the braids, that look like me on that motherfucker, man. Why you got braids? You want to smoke an old school, that look like me on that. I think it may. Why you got braces? You want to smoke an old school blunt? This got hash in it. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, come on. Yeah, get your lungs.

Get your lungs back to the 90s. I smoke all day, every day. Get your 90s lungs back. Get your 90s lungs back. Get your 90s. I ain't going to lie. You in 2026 like a motherfucker. By the way, I've been watching you this whole time.

You was surgical. How the fuck you roll? And you got the canoe too. At the end, you know, that makes every hit a shotgun. Yeah. You know, you got to make sure that shit hit right. Sometimes you're breaking apart at the end. You got to roll it right. Some skills together, man. You know what I'm saying?

Everybody got to get their rolling skills up. You know what I'm saying? You smoke right. And we don't have the chalkboard, right? Do we have the chalkboard? But you're going to use the computer because I want them to, after this,

I want them to play a game. I want him to name people from the Bay and him to name people from Miami-Dade and let's see who wins that game. In New York?

Nah, we know. We're Trump, y'all. You know what I'm saying? We're like, bro. We're Trump, y'all. You know what I'm saying? We'll trump y'all. You know what I mean? Okay. Nipsey Hussle or Eazy-E?

Damn. You have a nigga out here twisting like licorice. I told you it's the Colombian Dominican. We hired him just to make sure the guests drink. Eazy-E. That's a piece of both. We had this just to make sure the guests drink. Easy E. That's some pizza both. We had this

game we used to play and shit. And every time I seen him, I'd give him a hug and I'd tap his back to see if he had his bulletproof vest on and shit. Wow. That was the game? Yeah, and he'd do the same, you know what I'm saying? He'd tap my back and

we'd look. Y'all was doing vest check. Yo, I've never heard no shit That was the game? Yeah, and he'd do the same. You know what I'm saying? He'd tap my back and be like, ah, nigga, you got that motherfucker all that. Yeah, I was doing vest check. Yo, I've never heard no shit like this in my life. What? Every time I see him, I'm like, what's up? You got that motherfucker all that. Didn't you have an album cover with the vest on?

Yeah, that's my style. I wouldn't wear one today, but I don't want motherfuckers to think somebody trying to get at me or nothing. You know what I'm saying? No, no, no. So I just,, somebody trying to get at me or nothing, you know what I'm saying? So I just, you know. It's a style for me, you know what I'm saying? I like wearing that shit. You know, I don't give a fuck what motherfuckers are like, oh, he's just wearing it because of style. Yes, I am. This shit looks dope. It matches with my Uzi, motherfucker.

And it saves your life. It matches with my chopper, nigga. And it will save you. I wasn't ready. You ever met Nipsey or any interaction with Nipsey? Nah, you know what? But I think it was crazy is that my baby mama was in the studio one day. And she knew who he was.

And she was with my daughter. And my daughter was like maybe three. And he took a picture with my daughter. That was cool. So I got a picture with him and my daughter. And I show my daughter all the time. Like, you know who this is? She knows.

She's 12 now. Oh, she was three then? Yeah, she was like three years old back then. But it was crazy, you know. So, hell yeah. Shout out to Nipsey, though. You know, that was some good shit. You know, you can't be fucked up to your fans, bro.

All these niggas out here doing stupid-ass shit, fucked-up shit to your fans, nigga, you need to be smacked, nigga. I don't give a fuck who you is. If you fucked up to your fans, you ain't shit, nigga, because you wouldn't be shit without them motherfuckers. I love all my fans, and my fans are some crazy motherfuckers,

you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And for life, if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be here, you know what I'm saying? And niggas need to realize that if you're an artist or any type of movie actor,

I don't give a fuck who you is. If you can't respect your fans, nigga, fuck you, bruh. Straight up. Before we go, because you said crazy motherfuckers, you made me think of Insane Clown Posse. You ever performed at the Gathering of the Juggalos? The Insane

Clown Posse Festival? Yeah. You have? You said I've ever performed there? Yeah. I don't think so. I don't know why I see them booking you for that. You know, they fuck with me tough. I'm tripping. We should have been,

did a song together, anything. Because I've been hearing a lot about, you know, they like your music. A lot of people come to me and say, you know, saying Clown Posse fuck with Spice One and shit. And I'm like, that's crazy. So maybe I need to tap into that shit

you know what I'm saying you should and if you go just fair warning it's crazy yeah it's crazy

but yeah I think everybody should the shit I like it was crazy it was like hella jumping around and shit

like elbow motherfuckers on accident it's an experience I'm trying to get Nori to go out there spinning kicks on motherfuckers

on accident and shit they throw shit at you if they like you let's put it that way oh shit well I just put my vest on Spitting kicks on motherfuckers on accident and shit. They throw shit at you if they like you. Let's put it that way. Oh, shit. Well, I just put my vest on. Maybe my helmet, my motorcycle helmet is my vest.

The more they throw, the more they like you. Yeah, go to the next one. That's the menacing voice. NWA or public enemy? NWA or Public Enemy? NWA. I kind of want to take a shot because I love Public Enemy too. Chuck D is, nah, we got to take a shot. Because Chuck D is like a mentor to me.

I look at Chuck D like. Let's take the whole shot. Yeah, let's do something. That's my nigga, so he gonna make sure I take all that shit. I know, man. Drink that shit. He wants to make sure you get the money. Let me ask you something.

If you don't get drunk, then get drunk. Let me ask you something, right? And this is not scripted. This is purely... Nothing here is scripted I mean what I'm saying is I just really thought about

take away the cue cards guys take away the cue cards I really just thought about this right because you know since this Kendrick thing has been going on

lots of people have been posting their old pictures of Kendrick oh shit Chuck D posted an old picture of Kendrick. Yep. Which would have been, it would have went over fine.

But Chuck D quotes, they're not like us. Does that automatically make him an enemy of Drake? I don't know. No. Okay, let me refer to the question. If you're caught And you have some type of relationship with Drake And you're caught

They're not like us You're so out of sight You're so out of sight for sounds What do you mean, cypher sounds? Cypher sounds supposedly His assistant posted a track I mean a picture of him in Canada And put Not Like Us As the song on the post.

And it's a post that Sporty hit up Syfe. Not very happy. And you got, where the fuck you been? Syfe is your man. I've been busy. Oh, man, nigga's crazy, bro. So, yeah. But look, I think there's two ways.

I've been to Switzerland. There's two ways to take that, take the stance. You could be on the team Kendrick and be against Drake, or on the team Kendrick and be for hip-hop. Not to mean that you're against Drake. You got to take a shot. That was very politically correct. You got to take a shot.

The way you just said that was very politically correct. Take a shot. No, it's not politically correct. I'm just saying, like, you can't be't be mad No no that's not a shot You can't be mad At what Kendrick's doing Unifying people Yeah no what I'm saying is But he's unifying people

Under a war song No but He's unifying people He's bringing lyrics Back into the game Yeah yeah but you You're bringing lyrics back I'm not saying about the people

I'm not saying about What you're saying You're saying is correct I'm saying If I'm a person down With Drake's camp Yes And I'm down with Drake's team.

I mean, I can't expect. Am I taking it personal to see LeBron? They not like us. Yes. They not like us. You know why? Am I taking that personal? They got personal relationships with him.

So that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He might take it a little personal. All right. Like if you see somebody dancing to a diss record against you. Against you.

Yeah. I mean, you know, but if you got any hip-hop experience, then it's kind of like you just got to take that shit how it go, man. Hip-hop, really? You know, even with the— It's hip-hop now, but now it's different, though. Yeah. It's different with you.

It's different now. Now it's like personal, personal. No, no, It got crazy personal. It is crazy. There's layers. I'm saying there's layers to this situation. Yeah. It ain't as simple as we want to make it.

Yeah. Listen. Good question. I know at that club, when that song come on, cold face. Who's cold face? You? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's crazy. Look at it. I see what you're saying, bro. Coldface, because if somebody film me, oh, now I'm on slob side. I'm on your K side. Perfect example. I hear what you're saying.

Look, Aiden Quick. Aiden Quick. That's my Aiden, my nigga, bro. Aiden's my nigga, bro. That's my nigga, bro. That's my god. And everybody know that's my nigga. And you're from the opposite of Bloods and Crips.

This almost seems like a Blood and Crip beef. You know what I'm saying? And I'm between this shit. Nigga, I come out there and go see 8. You're super neutral. And then quick, you're like, hey, nigga, I'm coming through. Come here. Come fuck with me.

I'm like, hey. Yeah, you're like, nigga, I'm coming through, can we go fuck with you? Wait, quick, ain't you? Yeah, you're like, nigga, I'm coming through, fuck with you. I'm like, hey nigga,

I'm over here. He's like, I can't come over here. You're like, you gotta go down and go a few streets down and I'm like, fuck it,

I'm just gonna walk a few streets down. Oh, in Compton, this is in Compton? Yeah, I'm gonna walk a few streets down and then come pick me up.

I'm coming from the Bay though, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, hey, you know, but when they play the DJ quick, this to eight,

I'm... Yeah. Yeah. Because both of those my niggas, I don't know what to do. I'm like, hey, man, hey. I don't know what to do. I love y'all niggas, man. That's all I can say.

Watch out. You might drink a little too much.. I love y'all niggas, man. That's all I can say. Watch out. You might drink a little too much. You forget what song you're in. Oh, shit. And then, you know, I'm at the house quick. I'm in Sacramento quick, do a show in Sac. And I'm hitting him up. I'm like, nigga, come through the house if you ain't doing shit.

After the show, if you need somewhere to come chill, shit, I'm here. I got a little bachelor's pad. I'm by myself. You know what I'm saying? He come through there. You know what I'm saying? We have a little bachelor's pad. I'm by myself. He come through there. We have a little party at that motherfucker. I got the plaques sitting up there with me and Abe.

But this is back then. This is back then. They cool as fuck now. But this is back then when they beat me. Quick look at them plaques. You're like, man, this motherfucker sitting up here. Don't touching my plaque

It better be here When you leave motherfucker It better be in the garbage Burnt up or nothing motherfucker You my nigga But y'all stop that shit Cause y'all just stop Just chill

I always You know I always try to I don't know why But I will get I will try to Not mediate But I'll I'll get in the middle

Of that shit I remember when You know You're pushing peace Yeah I'm pushing peace Nigga if I see If I I get in the middle of that shit. I remember when, you know. You're pushing peace. Yeah. I'm pushing peace. You're pushing peace.

If I seen, back in the day, if I seen like Dazzle Corrupt, if they had an argument or disagreement or something. With each other. I'd be like, yeah. I'd be like, man, come on, y'all. Y'all my favorite rap duo. Like, don't do it, bro. I like y'all. Like, my life.

I listen to you niggas all the time. I'm dog pound, nigga. I'm dog pound. All pound. Don't do it. You know what I'm saying? But that's how far we go back, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I'm a Bay Area nigga that come from the Bay and kick it in L.A. with the Crips and the Bloods. You know what I'm saying, I never had no problem with neither one of them. You know what I'm saying? Not the Bloods or the Crips. Every time I touched down, it was always love. From Watts to Compton to wherever, you know, to Englewoods or Piru's, it was always, what's up, Spice? You know what I'm saying? What's popping?

You know what I'm saying? I could have as much jewelry on me as I got on or whatever the fuck I'm on. Ain't nobody tripping on shit. You know what I'm saying? I throw a few niggas in the back. I go through Watts, throw a few niggas in the back of the truck. I'm laughing with the little I'm on. Ain't nobody tripping on shit. You know what I'm saying? I throw a few niggas in the back. I go through watch, throw a few niggas in the back of the truck.

I'm laughing with the little niggas. Y'all got your banger on you, nigga? They're like, yeah, nigga, we strap spice. I'm like, okay, we ride. Riding through, we rile up to motherfucking to the set of Baby Boy.

The niggas in Baby Boy that jump Jody, that's them niggas in Baby Boy that jumped Jody, that's them niggas. In the movie or in real life? In the movie, man. Oh, okay. What happened? I just ride up and John Singleton walked up to him and said, y'all want to be in a movie?

And they said, yeah, and they was in it. Wow. Wow. Let's pick up the John Singleton. Fuck my nigga. Yes. Alright. Where we at?

Ice Cube or Scarface? Gotta drink to that. Drinking.com Scarface my cousin Like blood cousin? Mm-hmm Damn now I see the resemblance That's my blood cousin

Wow And Ice Cube Is somebody I looked up to The whole time I tried you know Straight up but So you got rid of my blunt Immediately

No I'm still puffing it Still puffing it. Still puffing it. Oh, that's the blunt? Okay, okay, okay, okay. All right, there you go right there. Okay, so wait a minute. Listen, man, this is a... So Scarface is...

This is hip-hop royalty bloodline he's talking about right now. Okay, how did you find out Scarface is your cousin? What kind of family reunion y'all had? Lil' J. Lil' J. J Prince?

Yeah, we was at the video. We was at... What do you call it? J Prince, Lil' J? Yeah, Lil' J. They call him Lil J J Prince Yeah we was at the video We was at What do you call it J Prince Lil J Yeah Lil J They call him Lil J We was at We was at Draped Up

Dripped Out video Back in the day You know what I'm saying And Lil J was standing Across the parking lot He was You know when Lil J Stare at you

You gotta kinda just be like What the fuck You just hear that Before nigga And you know like What you want This nigga And I was like what I was like what I do And shit You see that? You poor nigga. And he, you know, like, what you want with this nigga?

And I was like, what? I was like, what'd I do with you? You know what I'm saying? He said, come here. You know what I'm saying? I come over there, and he like, you know, who you say your kin is? He said it just like that, bro. And I'm like, you know, I start breaking it down

to him who my fam was. He like, I think you keen to face. You keen to face. Or something, you know, so. Wait, Jay Prince did 23andMe in 2.5 seconds? He looked at me and he was staring at me like, dude, you keen to scar face, you know, straight up. And so eventually I come back to Houston because I always go to Houston Because I was born in Texas You know

All my family in Houston And then Bryan, Texas You know At College Station Like all my family Out there in Houston Right And so I go out there

And you know I come back And then my two cousins Come up and they like Nigga you don't know That this your cousin Were your two cousins Out there

It's already out there They come up with face And tell me That's their cousin You don't know That's your cousin Talking. They come up with face and tell me that's their cousin. You don't know that's your cousin. Talking about you. Yeah. Face don't know that that's you.

They're telling me I don't know that face is my cousin. Oh, my God. Yo, this is crazy. I'm jealous. So face is like, yeah, nigga, you know, I tried to tell you.

He was like, Lil J was trying to tell you, nigga, you my cousin. Yo, yo, my mom is your auntie. Like, this type shit. I of shit and so i'm like you know that close damn you know what i'm saying like okay so you know we found this out this is a couple you know about this like years ago like around that time we're in a fucking video i hope y'all did a feature together right after this yeah we've been working we did it we did that um

rolling with me and devvin, the dude, and we had Pac on the hook, some shit. I had Pac cutting the hook, saying some shit. He said my, he was talking about me and something.

I found where he was saying my name or some shit somewhere and put through it in the hook and shit was dope. It's called rolling. In my whip, counting chips with your bitch and I'm smoking.

That's Devin's part. Yeah, that's Devin's. Devin's a legend. Devin's a legend. C-H-R-O-N-I-C. That shit dope. It's a real smoking song. You know, you got to get high to the motherfucker.

Even the new album, the song with me and Devin, the dude, the smoking song on there with me and my nigga Northside is hard as fuck. You know what I'm saying? That shit is sick. You know what I'm saying? North shit is sick. You know what I'm saying? Northside in the building. We in here. Hey. Yes.

It ain't easy. That's the name of the song. Me and Devin and a dude in Northside on Platinum O.G. 2. Rather be loved or feared? I'd say feared.

I'm going to get love, you know what I'm saying? But feared is more like, you know, you don't want a motherfucker out here trying to cross you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't give a fuck how much love you got, nigga. I don't need you out here trying to cross me.

Like, I can't have you out here, you know, I'm kicking it with the nigga. And in the back of your mind, you're like, you know, I'm going to get that nigga. I'm going to, you know, sneaky ass snake bullshit. That's why I got another song on a new album called I'd Rather Eat Crumbs With Bums Than Eat Steaks With Snakes. You know what I'm saying? These motherfuckers, it's such a thing as a bitch-ass rich nigga. I don't give a fuck how niggas talk. Just because a nigga got money

don't mean he a real motherfucker. Everybody got to really realize that shit. There's so many motherfuckers out here walking around with a lot of money thinking they a real nigga, but you a sucker though. You know what I'm saying? Real shit.

You a sucker though. You know what I'm saying? Real spit. And the only reason why a motherfucker don't cross you is because you're going to spend money to have a nigga knocked down. You can't do it yourself because you'll suck it up. You know what I'm saying? So it's a difference between that shit.

And motherfuckers got to realize that. You know, the crazy part about the game right now is that you know, he got more money. He the best rapper. That don't make him the best motherfucking rapper because he got more money, nigga. Nigga like, nigga motherfucker get a nigga on the stage and wrap circles around his motherfucking ass. A no-namer.

Motherfucker came from out of the fucking clear blue sky to get on stage and out-rap one of these motherfuckers right now. Actually rap. I don't know who the hell he is. Actually rap. Because motherfuckers ain't rapping. And light his ass up, bruh. And light his ass up. Like, don't get it fucked up.

You know what I'm saying? Nigga, we're in your career if you really start fucking with a real, if you get on stage with a real rap artist, nigga, he will end your whole fucking career right there just like motherfucking, just like we got going right now with motherfucking Kendrick Lamar and all of that shit. You know, you fuck with niggas who really get down, bruh,

it's a difference. So, you know what I'm saying? Motherfuckers who live eating shit that slipped, this shit is a whole different breed of nigga. Doggy style? Some motherfuckers eat pussy because the girl enjoys it. Some motherfuckers eat it because they enjoy it. That's the real rappers out here, nigga. I do this shit because I like to.

This is what I do, bruh. This is what I do. I do this shit because I like to. This is what I do, bruh. This is what I do. I do this. You like to eat the pussy. That's what I do. That's what I do. That's a whole different breed of thing, man. You don't like eating pussy. That's a whole different breed of thing.

I wasn't. I wasn't, bruh. You got no sense of eating it if you don't like it. Hey, I'm going to use any metaphor I can to get you niggas to understand. This is what the fuck I do, baby. Mama. I wasn't ready, but I was ready at the same time. Hey, you know I'm a damn fool, so I'm going to spit it every time, baby. You know what I'm saying?

No problem. I'm doggy style or the chronic? Damn, I got to take a shot. Um, doggy style or the chronic? Mm. Um. Damn, I got to take a shot. Damn. Like, yeah, y'all mother. Hey, I know. I can understand why people say that shit.

Like, y'all be killing it with that shit. Mm-hmm. Ooh, because that's a hard decision. It would have been easier if you would have said, without no chronic, there wouldn't be no doggy. That's the easy out. That was the easy out, but you wanted to drink. I know that. You told me well.

He's drinking on the next one. We know this right now. Daz are corrupt. By the way, I'm drinking on this too. I can't beat Daz to corrupt me either. Sugar-free or kick the snee? I'm drinking on this too. I can't beat this. I can't beat that. It's corrupt either. Oh my God. Sugar free or kick the sneak? Damn. Damn.

Shout out to sugar free and Kika Sneak, man. Y'all my niggas, man. Both of y'all niggas dope. I know all y'all music. Bang that shit all the time. Okay. Rap City or Yoba TV Raps? Rap City.

Okay. Rap City because I think they just had more, you know, it was just more, you know, you could see different shit on there opposed to they would have kind of like the same program going on your MTV. But Rap City would have some different shit, you know, different artists on there that you would see. You would always see them on MTV, but you wouldn't see them on Rap City. That was cool.

Okay. Again, I don't write these questions. These guys write them over there. Kendrick Lamar or Drake? Kendrick. Simply because Canada won't let me in. Simply because Canada won't let me into the motherfucking country. Fuck y'all motherfuckers.

I'm going to figure out a way to get in. You know what I'm saying? We're going to be good. I'm going to come through there and get my money and shit. Because of your felonies? I'll keep playing. Because of the felonies from since 90, from 96. Like, come on, y'all.

You know what I'm saying? For real, from 96, bro, I'm a whole different motherfucker now. But I can't come into y'all country. They're not like us. They're not like us. They not like us. To the guards that searched me and looked at my tattoos, y'all not like us.

Yeah, I'm from California. I'm from California. I got a few felonies and bullet holes and tattoos, but that don't mean I'm going to come to your country and tear your country up, man. Get up out of here, bruh. I was coming to see my son.

You know what I'm saying? I'll trip it. I wasn't ready for that answer. They're not like us. They're not like us. Draco the Ruler or Jacka? Jacka. I'll go with Jacka, man. I like Jacka go with Jacka man

that's that I like Jacka's music plus you know I felt like he was a part of my clique because he was a part of C-Bowl clique and all of that you know what I'm saying me and C-Bowl go back it's just you know that right there

just set it off that's my old school homie you know as far as their whole group and everything. Jacket for sure. Okay, last one before we get into the last one. Rest in peace. E-40 or be legit? I got to take a shot. Heaviest one.

Those are both my big cousins. Yes. Take a shot. Heaviest ones. Those both my big cousins. Yes. Last one, and then we're going to go into the regular interview. Okay. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty.

Because without, you know, without loyalty, ain't no respect you can't have you know you gotta have respect to have loyalty to a motherfucker so I don't rather

have a motherfucker loyalty because loyalty don't come without respect say that one more time I'm sorry loyalty don't come without respect

you gotta respect somebody to be loyal to them so I choose loyalty because you're gonna get both of those in one anyway to respect somebody to be loyal to them. So I choose loyalty because you're going to get both of those in one anyway. If a motherfucker loyal to you, they got to respect you. Straight up because all that,

if a motherfucker, you can peep disrespect. Loyalty is hidden. You know what I'm saying? They got to show you some loyalty. You can hide loyalty. You can act like you're loyal and not be. You know what I'm saying? They got to show you some loyalty. You can hide loyalty. You can act like you're loyal and not be. You know what I'm saying? Same thing, but I just, you know,

I feel like you have to have respect to even be loyal to a motherfucker, so I would choose loyalty. Listen, you don't have to take a shot. I'm taking a shot because your answer was fucking fantastic. You don't have to, though. I mean, I'm taking a shot.

I'm taking a drink. I'm taking a shot anyway. I'm taking a shot. I'm taking a drink. I'm taking a shot anyway. I got the Hennessy bottle tattooed right here, so you know. Yeah, you need that sponsorship, dog. Yeah. So, jealousy got me strapped. Do you understand how long ago you made that record?

That you could drop that record right now to this day. Today. Look at me. Look at me. Today. You drop that today. It's all relevant to what's happening right now. You understand that?

Profit. Like, I don't know how many years ago this record came out, but you could drop it today. And you can. And it's the same exact message. Are you mad? Like, it's a two-part question. Because when you make a record, you try to solve a problem, right? Yeah.

So, on one hand, I'm asking you, are you mad because your message is still the same throughout these years or are you mad because the... I'm not saying you mad, but what I'm saying is are you bugging that the same exact message that you related those many years ago is the same circumstances right now?

Yeah, because I feel like we ain't learned shit. It's like, damn, you know what I'm saying? Pac and Biggie is dead. That should have taught motherfuckers to do something about that from the jump. Like, the generation under us, I figured they would think, damn, Pac and Biggie died over that shit, and them niggas was out there getting money. The intelligent part of the generation under us would think, okay, we've seen them niggas get money, and they died too soon. They was getting money.

What if they didn't? I'm going to think ahead and be like, if I get money like that, I'm going to do this. But they didn't. It just got worse. That's what's fucked up. Like, you know, niggas got to die just because they get on a motherfucking, they go to

They became martyrs. They take some pictures or show that they're on Facebook somewhere with all their jewels on or whatever. Fame became currency. They yapped up, you know what I'm saying? Right there, like, next thing you know, somebody came through and killed them for the shit,

and they was trying to give it to them anyway. They just wanted to get a murder under their belt or catch a, you know, for some clout in their gang, they rapping or whatever they doing, or, you know, maybe that have been an initiation or something. However the motherfucker go down. You can't slip like that now. You can't wear your jewelry

everywhere and go to the restaurant and take pictures and shit. Go live and shit. You know what I'm saying? Let's be honest. Should have never been doing it anyways. Any motherfucking way. Let's be honest.

Let's be honest. Any way. That's calling attention. Any way, bro. Because we come from the generation where you don't call attention to yourself.

Man, the biggest D-boys in my hood was driving Dauphine Reynolds, man. When I say Dauphine Reynolds, I mean they got it from a Dauphine, man. They just driving

that motherfucker around. You know what I'm saying? Kicking it. When they say Dauphine Reynolds, I mean they got it from a Dauphine, man. They just driving that motherfucker around. You know what I'm saying? Kicking it. When they want to ride their shit, they can be out of town when they riding their real shit. They be in a whole different town or something. You know what I'm saying? It's rules to this shit. If you don't follow them, you'll be a victim to the gang.

You know what I'm saying? Real spit. I'm going to repeat that. It's rules to this shit. If you don't follow them, you will be a victim of the game. Respect the game. But are the rules still being applied today? Are they broadcasted today? That is the problem.

The rules, this generation don't know the rules. The generations coming up don't know the problem. The rules, this generation don't know the rules. The generations coming up don't know the rules. And some of them, well, a lot of them, they suffer the consequences. And by calling them rules, they think they're rebelling against rules. They shouldn't be called rules even. Yeah. This is ways to live so you can live. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, do unto others, motherfucker. Right, the golden rule. You know what I'm saying? But they don Right The golden rule You know what I'm saying But they don't do that You know what I'm saying It's like You got two types Of gangsters out here You got the gangster The real G

You know He ain't He trying to stay Under the radar He ain't fucking With that shit You know what I'm saying He trying

He didn't got Too many murders He trying to chill You know what I'm saying I don't want to be In all that Then you got The other motherfucker

That's out here Like you know What motherfucker What are chill, you know what I'm saying, I don't want to be in all that, then you got the other motherfucker that's out here, like, you know what motherfucker, what are you doing I'm a, I'm a, I'm a oh, you need, you need this, homie here, I'm a, I'm a, oh, you a rap artist, yeah, okay, you need some jewelry and shit, yeah, okay yeah, you need some, um

you want to ride that nice car and shit, I can hook that up for you yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, you. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, you got that, homie. It's cool. Yeah. Where my money at, though? Where my money?

Oh, you ain't got my money? For real? Oh, okay. All right. Something going to happen to your ass. You got these type of motherfuckers out here. You know, it's some shit out here that go down, bro. You know what I'm saying? You got to be able to hold your own. You know, if you talking that shit, you got to back

that shit up, bro. I'm six feet, maybe 230-something pounds. You know what I'm saying? I know how to get down. A.K.A. you're knocking the guy out. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, real spit. You know, it's nothing. We can get out. I love all you niggas, but I catch a fade with anybody in here in the room. And all y'all should feel the same way. Right. You know what I'm saying?

I don't feel the same way. Motherfucker can't be a... You can't go in the room... You gotta be ready to go. You can't go in the boxing ring thinking you gonna lose no matter what the fuck you doing, bro. You gotta always think you gonna room. You can't. You got to be ready to go. You can't go in the boxing ring thinking you're going to lose no matter what the fuck you're doing, bro. You got to always think you're going to win. Right. Period.

Right. You know what I'm saying? But you got motherfuckers out here that really try to take you for the okey-doke. You know what I'm saying? Try to play you and shit. So you got to be able to hold your own, especially if you're talking that shit. You know what I'm saying? If you're not about that, then don't talk about that.

If I'm with somebody and they're kicking and they tell me, hey, just like you said, Norrie, hey, man, you know, I ain't, I'm good on that shit. You know, my nigga ain't with that shit, though, but I am, though. I'm with it, though. What is it? You know what I'm saying? So it ain't no, it ain't no, I got to to like I said, I put the one on the end of my name because sometimes I had to rock alone and I and I had to, you know, I had to, you know, do whatever I had to do. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, with all of that said, man, you know, it's a lot of shit out here you got to deal with as an artist.

When it comes to motherfuckers even trying to extort you and doing weird ass shit, you know what I'm saying? Um, contracts you sign, um, you know, you got this motherfucker. They like, you know, hey, you know, we're going to sign him over here and shit. This nigga going to do this, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, you got a lot of shit going on out here, you know, as an artist. And then sometimes you don't even get, then you don't even get paid for your shit, you know what I'm saying? But I figure I always, you know, I'm just a ride or die motherfucker, man, you know. Even for my guys, for my homeboys and shit, you know, because I never like to see nobody get bullied and shit. Never liked that shit, you know what I'm saying?

So I always was the nigga to step in and be like, he ain't with the shit, but I am shit, you know what I'm saying? So I always was the nigga to step in and be like, he ain't with the shit, but I am though, you know what I'm saying? And sometimes it take that, you got to be built for this shit. You know,

military style nigga, you know, some of my niggas, they like, you know, I want to go on tour with you Spice, and I'm like, okay, you know, let's rock, you know what I'm saying?

And we go out and shit, you know, like, you know what I'm saying and we go out and shit and I'm like you know we go to do the show and shit it's two o'clock in the morning we partying and shit we gotta catch a plane at four I'm like nigga you better get your ass up or I'm sleeping

you right here in this motherfucking hotel I got another show to do to pick up some money you know what I'm saying you You better get your ass up. These niggas come out the hotel and they hurling and everything. Soon as they come out the front door, they hurl and throw it. I said, oh, my job easy, huh? This shit easy? I said, yeah, put your

backpack on, nigga. We late for the plane. You got to run through the airport. We had to run through the airport. After you threw up and shit. After you went hurling and shit, we got to run through the airport. You just stayed right here. I get to the airport, nigga. It's some motherfuckers up there. You know, it's like some 20-year-olds and shit.

Y'all 20-year-old niggas. It's 20-year-olds. We all lay for the same plane. We all running and shit. I took a few steps with that big-ass backpack nigga and was like, tell him it's the old motherfucker. Tell him I'm coming. Just tell him I'm coming.

You know, by the time I got to the fucking gate, I thought I was going to die. I was like, I was telling myself, this is how you're going to die, nigga, trying to get to your fucking flight to go to your show. This is how you're going to die. This is how Spice One is going to die in the airport trying to get to his fucking flight

on a plane. Okay, hold up. I'm sweating. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. One second. One second.

I'll board in a minute. I need a pre-boarding pass. So, I mean, you know, this shit ain't easy. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no. This shit ain't easy at all. You need to know this, motherfucker. Real spit.

But let me ask you. I wonder if Heaven Got a a ghetto was inspired by you. Yeah. What's the name of your song? Welcome to the Ghetto. Welcome to the Ghetto. I got that in my notes. Yeah.

It's Welcome to the Ghetto. Welcome to the Ghetto. Look at that. I just want you to show that. Yeah. Look at that. I just want you to know. Welcome to the Ghetto.

Welcome to the Ghetto. Come on. I just want you to know my shit is on point. I just got notes now because I'm going to be fucking drunk. But I'm saying, living day by day in my hood on the spot. See the same old thing, same dope things, cops.

Just the average day in the streets, California. Five-0 found a young girl dead around the corner. Mommy's on her knees. She had tears in her eyes, and nobody knew why the young girl had to die. People look ashamed. It's been like this for years. Bloody sheets on her body,

face wet from her mommy's tears. She couldn't have been over four or five, and if mommy was based, she would still be alive, but now the street is a place you could be swallowed by death. Niggas taking each other's lives and going to rest in peace.

I wonder if heaven got a ghetto. My cousin died last year, and I still can't let go. He said it in his rhyme, but hold on. Let me also say something. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Before we clap, this is a double clap. And I believe this is your brother, and I believe Jay-Z has said something like this.

Jay-Z said, when I, you know, take big lyrics, I'm only bigging up my brother. To me, that, what you just said, was he took, let me say this, he made a concept of Brenda has a baby and heaven got a ghetto. Yeah. With that same goddamn song.

I'm sorry, like, because I want to be very careful. I know Tupac fans are crazy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I want them to know that I know the history. Like, I wanna be very I know Tupac fans are crazy You know what I'm saying Yeah But I want them to know That I know the history Like I know the history

Yeah When you listen to that record I hear Brenda's Got a Baby Inspired by You Obviously And Brenda's Got a Baby

Inspired by Vice One Did you not hear that No but you were No I'm just saying Did you not hear that verse I don't think Brenda's Got a Baby Yeah To me I mean Mommy's on her knees Did you not hear that verse? No, but you said it. No, I'm just saying, did you not hear that verse? I don't think Brenda's got a baby.

Yeah, to me. Mommy's on her knees. She had tears in her eyes. And nobody knew why the young girl had to die. People look ashamed. It's been like this for years. Bloody sheets on her body. Face wet from my mommy's tears.

You know what I'm saying? It's similar. Right, because they said that Brenda's got a baby was inspired by a specific person. Yeah. them you learn it's right because they said that brendan's got a baby was inspired by a specific person yeah yeah i'm saying i i that spark i'm saying from from his record inspired him to get his own maybe his own which is hip-hop yeah which is everything is inspiring everything but but i would if pop was alive i would think pop would say i got both of those ideas from him i could see that i can well he would call me, man. Pac would call me if he like, I took your shit.

And laugh because you guys are friends. Yeah. He would call me and tell me, like, I took your shit, nigga. I'd be like, what? You know what I'm saying? He'd say, nigga, when you said, I remember he called me specifically. I did not notice. He said, when you said, bitch ass nigga eaters.

Wait, that specifically? Yeah. On Hit Em Up? I got two big pits. I call them my bitch nigga eaters. And I was like, but he got it from my son. One of my fucking sons. I can't even remember.

But he called me and he told me, like, I took your shit. From my song off. One of my fucking songs. I can't even remember. But he called me and he told me, like, I took your shit. I got so many songs, though, man. Like I say, I got so much shit. I want, I need somebody to check. I need a challenge because I need to know how many, who got the most songs on the internet. Which rapper got the most songs on the internet right now? Like, because I got a lot of shit on that motherfucker like a lot but also heard you let me change that just for a second

i will go back to that um say that um like uh about the tupac documentary right and you said you know only thing that kind of makes or maybe it's the tupac movie you took mom um he was like that makes it right is that Pac used to listen to my shit all day. Yeah, that was crazy. Like, he used to listen to you all day. Yeah,

and then motherfuckers was telling me, yo, you know, Pac jumped in the car and dude didn't like hip-hop music. I was watching some interview

and somebody was like, man, they was sitting in the car with Hayes and Jack or whatever and they was, and Pac was finna get in the car and Hayes and Jack didn't like hip-hop music or weed and shit. And he said Pac hopped in the car and put in strap on the side and fired him. Dude said he didn't want to get out. He said he wanted to get out the car after that. I can't remember who it was, but I seen the interview and it was funny as hell because it was, you know, just that's Pac.

Strap on my side. That was his shit. Doing his own interview. He didn't play that shit back to back, man. He's good. He's good. Tupac would play strap on the side back to back. We was in court.

All right. In the courthouse. Parked in the parking lot playing strap on the side. For the Allen Hughes case? Yeah. Okay. Playing it loud as fuck. I'm like, you know we in the courthouse parking lot, right? You know what I'm telling you?

You know we in the. Don't give a fuck. Turn it up, nigga. Turn it up. Okay, we fucking turn it up they can turn it up okay we'll fucking turn it up turn that shit up man cause it was known that this is

like a like a industry kind of like story that you were like Pac's goon and Pac was supposed

to be a goon like so how does that work it was like I would you know even when we was like in our

in our you know 17 18, maybe, I think I was, I was, I was 20. He was what? Pac was 19. Like his birthday was just last month. Y'all was kids doing shit. My birthday next month. You know what I'm saying? So we, you know.

He a Gemini and you are? I'm a Cancer. Okay. And I'm like, we right next, you know, his birthday was on the 16th. Mine is on the 2nd of July. Wow. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's a good shot for that?

That's a good shot for that. Real spit. Happy birthday, motherfucker. For sure. Salud. Cancer and a Gemini always kick it. You know what I'm saying? A lot of Geminis don't get along with a mother of motherfuckers.

The only motherfucker they get along with would be the Cancer. It's true. We rock out. You know what I'm saying? DJs are Gemini. Packers are Gemini.

Like, crazy. They don't get along with no motherfucking body. Cancer, I'm a Gemini. They rock with me and shit. But we see what it is. You know, shit. It's all love.

shout out, I remember, some motherfuckers, you just, when you were cancer, you just, you were chill, nigga,

you just sit back and wait. Listen, cancer's not chill. I think 50 Cent is a cancer, right? My mom was a cancer. Cancer's not chill. Cancer's will go crazy,

man. Yeah, but we go crazy man Yeah But But We go crazy When motherfuckers least expect it Yeah that's called crazy They try to say Gemini's the least crazy

They don't be expecting for it I think you guys are the least crazy We be The Gemini be cracking the fuck up Like oh I think you just go Wow It's true

Your ass is gonna go crazy Because Gemini's understand the cancer We like okay We see it Yeah So Dang shit You know

Alright we already established That you did Three months in L.A. County But this is something that It was a deep question for me You said that you and Pac One time You got together After he had got shot in New York

Yeah And He described you the situation And then he told you at one point After he got shot He lit a blunt Yeah And he said I wanted to die high He wanted to die high after he got shot, he lit a blunt. Yeah. He said, I want to die high.

He wanted to die high. Yeah. And you said, you wrote a song about that. Yeah. I got a song called I Want to Die High. Put a song. Do the mass majority of people know that that I Want to Die High song is about this Tupac's generation?

Yeah. They do know? They should, because at the beginning of the song, it starts off with me saying that. Like with me saying, you know, he said he wanted to die high, you know, and then it come out, you know, it's like some real laid back shit, though. It's just a dope ass track, man.

I love the song. Definitely, it's out now. You can go check it out now. like some real laid back shit though. It's a dope ass track, man. I love the song. Definitely. It's out now. You can go check it out now. Yeah, it was just crazy when he said that. I didn't understand what he was saying at first. He came and picked me up after I

got out of jail because he was still tripping. The first thing he was talking about, he said, man, I just did two albums. Where the fuck was you at? And I said, I was in LA. I was in the was talking about, he said, man, I just did two albums. Where the fuck was you at? And I said, I was in L.A. I was in the county. And then he said, I'm coming to get you. And he came through the Mondrian.

Remember the Mondrian? Mondrian Hotel, yeah. Next to the House of Blues right there. Absolutely. Okay, he came, swooped me up there, and he had the Bentley outside, convertible and shit. And he was like, nigga, I'm going to show you the Bentley. Came out there, I seen it. I was like, that shit dope, you know.

And, you know, he had his bandana on, so I didn't see nothing, you know. Driving and shit. And he was like, nigga, I'm going to show you the Bentley. Came out there, I seen it, I was like, that shit dope, you know. And, you know, he had his bandana on so I didn't see nothing, you know, driving and shit. And next thing you know, a motherfucker just riding it,

you know, got the top down and he like, you know, this is my shit. Man, we get to his house in,

where's, I guess where's, in Malibu. And mom's at the top of the stairs. Vini at the top of the stairs. Vini up the top of the stairs and she's like waving down and he said, I'm not

making this shit up. I swear to God on my mama's grave. You know what I'm saying? Pac was like, you know, he said, Mama, if anything happened to me, this is my nigga right here. This is some shit. I ain't just making, I'm not lying. You know, I'm not making that shit up.

My nigga said that to Feeney, said that to his mama. Said, mama, if anything ever happened to me, this is my nigga right here. And I was like, what's up, Feeney? What's happening? And he said, mama, make us some sandwiches. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

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Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But what do you just for anybody? Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. and this is him. You could trust him. Trust him. Right. Basically. You know what I'm saying? And that meant a lot to me when he told his mama that. Oh yeah? It meant a lot to anybody. Yeah.

So he like, man, let's go back here and smoke. So we go back and we go into the, he had like a little room back there and shit in the back connected to the house and shit.

It was on the beach. It was a nice spot. You know, connected to the beach and shit. Backyard and the beach. It was a nice spot, you know, connected to the beach and shit. Backyard and the beach type shit, you know what I'm saying?

With the out room and shit, you know what I'm saying? Got a pile of weed on the table and shit and we start rolling and smoking up and then I'm looking at him

and I'm like, you know, I'm like, what happened? You know what I'm saying? He was like, man. When you say what happened,

you're talking about the incident in New York. Yeah. Okay. And he was like, and then When you say what happened, you're talking about the incident in New York? Yeah. Okay. And he was like, and then he took his bandana off and he had a dent in his head right there

that wasn't there before. And when I seen that, I was just like, man, hell no. I said, you went out there and came back like that,

my nigga? So how you go out there and come back like that? That was my first question. Like nigga? So how you go out there and come back like that? That was my first question. Like, man, you know, how you go out? What the fuck? You know what I'm saying? He was like, man, I went through the motherfucking hotel.

He said niggas was looking over newspapers and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Studio, not the hotel. He said hotel. Like, wasn't it connected to a hotel or something? Uh-uh. The Quad Studios is not connected. Oh, it just looked like, well, I'm from Cali,

so it looked like a fucking hotel to me. But anyway, these motherfuckers at the bottom of this. So I saw that interview where you said that, right? Yeah. And I've been to this Quad Studio, and it's crazy,

but in the Quad Studio recently. So the people that he's talking about was actually the security guard. They were scared to death. They had probably nothing to do with it. I mean, honestly, when I saw the interview you did, I looked at it.

He said the security of the building had nothing to do with it. Yeah, um, all right. I'm going to be honest with you. That's crazy. I'm going to be honest because I wanted to address this

when I kept seeing these interviews with you. I always wanted to address it. And by the way, I'm an outsider looking in as an insider looking out. Yeah, this is your perspective on it. Your take.

Big had nothing to do with that shit. Yeah, and I never thought it did either. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know what the fuck was going on, because I just felt like they knew who them niggas was down there. You know, this is y'all shit. How y'all didn't know them niggas was down there. Like, you know, like, you know, this is y'all shit. Like,

how y'all didn't know them niggas was downstairs? Let me, let me just say this. Let me just say this as a, like, again, it's the outsider that's looking in

that's the insider that's looking out. From what I heard, I have no factual proof. Yeah. Pac was attracted to the unattractive. Not,

straight. You know what I mean? You have to stretch it.ive. Not street. You know what I mean? He kept affiliating himself with people that was supposed to be affiliated with. They was telling me that too. And Big, from what I know, because I wasn't around with Tupac.

I was around after. So before I know, Big was telling him so all the reactions that he he kind of like took was reactions of

kind of like I told you so so I told you so might look the same exact way as oh you shouldn't have walked in that room it's probably the same exact reaction

yeah but from what I know now because I know Stretch I know Tretch yeah I know everybody walked in that room it's probably the same exact reaction yeah but from what i know now because i got no stretch i know trench yeah i know everybody that like i mean from from my side from from the east coast and that's what i gather from now i could be wrong no you you completely right but but but the thing is um when you dealing with the mind of a crazy nigga, though.

Yeah, no one knew at that time. You know what I'm saying? Like, that nigga was crazy, like, when he needed to be. And so the crazy kicked in. You know, we all crazy when we needed to be. So that nigga, the crazy kicked in. He never accused you of something.

No, that's what I'm saying. Like, the crazy would kick in. He never would, but the crazy kick in. He never accused you of setting them up. No, that's what I'm saying. The crazy kick. He never would, but the crazy kicks in. Like, you know, if a motherfucker gets shot, you said, you know, I've been shot before. And I didn't, you know. But the crazy kick in. You start blaming everyone. Blame everyone. You blame the people that you know wasn't even there.

You be like, man, it might have been you. Like, wait a minute. I was in Kansas. Like, you know wasn't even there you be like man it might have been you like wait a minute I was in Kansas like you know what I'm saying you can't shoot a crazy nigga and he live he gonna think everybody did it and so you know it was kind of like everybody trying to say hey you know he didn't have to do it

he didn't have to do it no no it wasn't him nah you know but this nigga own one like who the fuck you know what I'm saying, it wasn't him. Nah, you know, but this nigga on one. Like, who the fuck, you know what I'm saying? So it was kind of hard trying to, you know, break it down like, say, hey, I don't think he had none of the dope. Yes, he did. Yes, he motherfucking did. You know what I'm saying? So it's...

You ever seen the Funk Flex footage? Yeah. You ever seen that? Hey, man, and it was fucked up because I seen this shit and I was like, man, you know, I got mad at Flex for that shit. What do you think I'm talking about? What do you think I'm talking about? When he was crying and he was saying that Tupac. He lied.

Okay, okay, all right, all right. All right, we on point. We on point. Yeah, I got mad at him for that shit. Like, man, why are you even bringing that shit up? Like, leave that shit alone. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, basically, hey, cut that shit.

I'll be honest with you. I don't think Flex had the wrong information. I don't think that Tupac lied. I think he was fed the wrong information, and he fed that part To the world Yeah Because I can

I can guarantee you As a person That I'm not Fully in street Like no more No more But then I was And Big

Had nothing And I can even say that Had nothing to do with that My My whole Aura I can even say that had nothing to do with that my whole aura about Big and my

vibe about Big never let me think that he had nothing to do with that bruh I just couldn't say nah even though what was going on with all of that other shit I was still just like, man, you know, nah.

Nah. He more one of us than that, though, bro. He ain't going to be down like that. And then you know what's crazy? Because later on in life, you know who became my number one West Coast market? Bay Area, man. Me. Oh, yeah. We fuck with you, though.

You know what I'm saying? And I always want to say this story because obviously I wasn't there at that time with Pac, Vig, all that. I wasn't there. But from all the information that I gathered and all the information,

to me, Pac was a New York guy who moved to Baltimore, then moved to Oakland, and then moved to LA. And by the way, this would make some, like, I don't want to say crazy, because then that's

going to make it, like, simplistic. He was a genius, because he mastered every market. Like, every market, like, I've been in Miami 16 years. I still can't say the crib correctly. I still

can't say your dog. They I still can't say your dog. When they say dog, your dog. I don't like the way you say it. Your dog. I can't do it. Sounds very disrespectful. I'm just thinking. No, I'm saying it greatly.

I'm trying to. The actors that they have that play Tupac, every actor that they have to play Tupac is very not convincing. No, no. Because you say he had a New York accent. He had a New York accent. No matter which version. He didn't say New York.

Right. He said New York. Yeah. He talked like he was from New York, nigga. He didn't talk like he was from New York. Right. You know what I'm saying? You can see he talked from the East Coast.

Right. His accent was East Coast. So every time they did a movie and the motherfucker doing the movie, playing his role, had a West Coast accent, I was like, motherfuckers, y'all really didn't know the nigga. Like, what the fuck, though? Come on, my nigga. Like, y'all didn't know the nigga. Man, he had an East Coast accent. He came from the East, but he got down with the West because he just fell in love with the West when he touched down.

Like any motherfucker going to do. I got to the East. I fell in love with the East. I fell in love with the East before I even got there. You know, it's the feeling is mutual. It's mutual. It's all love. But he grew up in the West, which is like me.

He came to the West and grew up out there in a town where we teach game. We're not teaching Crips and Blast. We're teaching game about the Crips and Blast stuff. And when I say grew up, I mean like your adolescence. Like that was... No, no. Some people say grew up. They'd be like, no, he didn't grow up there. He grew up in different places. But his adolescence where he

became a man was on the West. It was on the West. He in the Bay where we at, and he around, you know, he around Black Panthers and, you know. Which is his lineage. Yeah. So he around all of this shit,

but he around 69thville, East Oakland, you know, all of the motherfucking. And the city where the Panthers started. Yeah. You don't know how a motherfucker talking, what he's saying. You don't know where he's from. Even my L.A. partners come out there and be like, hold on, man. I ain't fucking with y'all, nigga.

Y'all is motherfucking hitting. How the fuck I'm supposed to know that nigga got a $30,000 hit out on him and that's the motherfucking hitter and we in the same motherfucking room? You know? And this some real shit. And I'm sitting up here telling the homie, he's like, cuz, get me out of here.

I'm like, cuz, you straight. While I'm in here, they ain't gonna do nothing. I'm spice one. You know what I'm saying? The N is my niggas. They're not gonna do nothing while I'm in here

or they gonna tell me before they get in. You know what I'm saying? So, cuz, still just like, man, let me get the fuck out of here. Great. I didn't blame him, you know, so let's go. Let's bounce out. You know what I'm saying?

You taking a shot for that? The shot? Oh, hell yeah. I feel like it. I don't even know what you're taking a shot for, but it's fantastic. Mm-hmm. Now, Stretch, since you music to your house, was it Stretch or was it? Yeah, Stretch.

Stretch. Stretch from Live Squad. Live Squad Stretch? Live Squad. Back in the day. So I knew Stretch before I even knew Pac. Really? Pac knew Stretch.

Before I knew Pac, but Pac knew Stretch. Pac knew Stretch prior to you knowing Stretch. Yeah, we started talking. I'm like, yeah, I know Stretch. How the fuck you at your house well he I had a he had GPS back in the days

nah definitely looking around this nigga had navigation I had a I had a you know how you know I had a fan club

like a literal fan club back in the day we would have all of this crazy shit you had no P.O. box your P.O. box was your P.O. home fan club

okay okay okay but it got to my house from no P.O. Box. Your P.O. Box was your P.O. Home. I had a P.O. Box on my fan club, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But it got to my house from the P.O. Box. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Forward. Yeah, you had that Super Thug Amigos, you remember?

Yeah. Did you ever see his first video, man? Oh, yeah, with the bitches and shit like that? Yeah, Heartless. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, he sent that shit to me, man.

I watched that shit a million times, bro. Heartless, man. Stretch. Stretch from Live Squad. Like, bro. Heartless, man. Stretch. Stretch from Live Squad. Like, I was tripping, you know what I'm saying? That shit was dope as fuck. Right.

And so, you know, when I started talking to Pac, I just brought it. I don't know how it came up, but I think he was talking about Thug Life or something. And I was like, oh, I know Stretch and shit. He was like, you know Stretch? I said, like, yeah, I talk to him and everything and shit on the phone. That's my nigga. You know what I'm saying? I fucking Stretch. How the fuck you know Stretch and shit. He was like, you know Stretch? I said, yeah, I talk to him and everything. I'm on the phone. That's my nigga. You know, so I fuck with Stretch. How the fuck you know Stretch?

I'm like, hey, we got mutual hobbies, nigga, already. It is what it is. But how did Pac know him? Or you don't know? He's from New Jersey. Stretch from New Jersey. Stretch? Stretch is from New Jersey.

Oh, really? Yeah. Damn, we always talk about him. So Pac met him in New Jersey. Oh, through Stretch? Probably through Stretch, yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, we always throw these queens. So Pac-Man came from New Jersey. Oh, with, through Tretch? Probably through Tretch, yeah. Okay, okay.

Yeah, probably through Tretch. Tretch a cool motherfucker too, man. That's my guy. That's a legend, man. You know what I'm saying? I've been, he been cool with me.

I remember I said, you know, it's crazy to say to talk this shit, but remember the, it's not the Mondrian, the Nico. Remember the Nico?

Nico Hotel, Coastal Street, and Fat Burger. Yeah. Come on. I come down to the Butter Hotel Remember the It's not the Mondrian The Nico Remember the Nico Of course the street From Fat Burger Yeah Come on I come down To the To the

To the To the To the To the To the hotel Where the Where the bar is Right there

Nico's Uh Trash is sitting there I I literally Got in a A shootout Bruh

The night before In front of Two short Fucking studios Already Right I got Bullet holes

And shit in my coat You know Wearing the Motherfucking I come down I see I come down The elevator Bruh Right? I got bullet holes and shit in my coat. You know, I'm wearing a motherfucker. I come down the elevator, bro, and Trent's sitting at the bar. You know what I'm saying? I'm tripping.

When I come down the elevator, I'm still just on one. Like, these motherfuckers. I'm mad and everything. Like, man, these motherfuckers shot my... Like, I'm tripping. Like, when I get back to the town, it's, oh, I'm killing some shit. I'm killing some shit. So, you know, it's the what? The not 23-year-old me.

You know what I'm saying? I'm tripping. Like, and Trey sits at the bar, and I'm like, you know, hey. He's like, what's up, Spice? I'm like, what's up? I'm sitting at the bar, and he's like, you can tell I'm tripping on something.

He's like, man, you need a drink or something? Shit. You can tell I'm tripping. He had a drink. And I'm like, yeah, you know, I ordered tripping on something. He's like, man, you need a drink or something? I said, yeah, drink. And I'm like, yeah. I said, man, I said, look at this shit. And I pulled my coat like this, and it got bullet hole in it.

Bullet hole in it. He's like, what the fuck is that? I said, it's a bullet hole, man. I don't bitch ass niggas. He's like, what's going on and shit? I'm like, man. I don't bitch ass niggas. You're like, what's going on and shit? I'm like, man, you know, I'm going to shoot out. I'll tell them the whole thing and shit. We sat there and got drunk as hell

and he was trying to talk me, calm me down. He kept me, cooled me down and shit, just having a conversation with my nigga. He was just like saying, man, don't go back out to the, go back to Oakland tripping like that, man. Don't go doing that shit because you got to,

you know, look where you at. You out here with me at the hotel and we at the Nico and, you know, fucking look, that's motherfucking TLC over there

and Pac is upstairs and, you know, chill out. You know what I'm saying? You got a good life, man. You know, don't, don't, he's telling me this shit and I'm like. Like, don't throw your life

away, basically. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I'm thinking, he like don't throw your life away basically yeah you know what I'm saying so I'm he he taught he was my guy bro you know what I'm saying he talked

telling nigga some real shit when it need to be said you know what I'm saying I needed to hear that treacher real one man treacher real one yeah

let's talk about Hard to Kill with Method Man I know he he um dipped on it earlier like did you have a record with Method Man

but how did this actual record come about Hard to Kill record with Method Man, but how did this actual record come about? Hard to Kill. And Method Man is a hard person to get on the record. There's not a lot of people that say they got Method Man on the record. It's like, you know, like, when you find your

fans can be anybody. And the best fan is somebody who you a fan of. Your peer. Yeah. And when they submitted, they and the best fan is somebody who you a fan of your peer yeah and when they submitted

they record to Jive I told Jive to sign them and give them the motherfucking money and I know they so

um um um cause who was on drive it wasn't the whole who thing was on drive no no

they was they sent them they CD and and they was, you know, shopping their music to drive. And you were there? And they literally gave me the CD. I was like, should we sign these dudes? When they were shopping Wu-Tang? Yeah.

The whole Wu-Tang? Yeah. Wow. And I was like, what the fuck? Like, I looked at them stupid. Like, what do you mean? Why are you asking me? Yeah, fuck yeah. Listen to that shit. Yeah, sign it. And I was asking you this, Barry White. Are you mean? Like, I looked at him stupid. Like, what do you mean? Why are you asking me? Yeah,

fuck yeah. Listen to that shit. You're a sign. I was asking you this, Barry White. Are you crazy? Barry White. Wait,

hold up. We got to set this straight. This is crazy. You listening to the demo of Wu-Tang Clan going to Jive. Yeah. And Jive is considering,

and you're like, yeah, this is obviously something you should sign. You know none of these motherfuckers. I don't know no one from a red You just heard skills like a motherfucker. Yeah, I was just like, this shit is dope.

Like, nah, hell nah, yeah. Yeah, you should sign them, yeah. It was like, should we sign? Yeah. Capital yeah. Fuck yeah. How about a fuck yeah on top of that? Like, yeah. Wow. And I don't know why they didn't fucking sign him

I was like what are you talking why you didn't sign Wu-Tang damn but you know do you remember the CEO's names

because we was shit on them yeah and Spike was the ultimate A&R that could have had a villain situation it wasn't it wasn't Barry Weiss

it wasn't Barry Weiss damn It wasn't Barry Weiss. Damn. They're lucky I can't remember their fucking names. You know, I was younger. David Lighty in there? Um. What the fuck is his name? Whatever his name was.

He's a right dude right under me. He's a tremendous bingo. Who's everywhere. They're lucky I'm a little drunk right now. Whoever the A&R was. Okay. We spoke about Strap On Our Side already, right? Yeah.

We spoke about that one. Okay. I live with my motherfucking Strap. Lord, we didn't speak on Strap On Our Side. Did we then? Let's speak on Strap On Our Side. Strap On Our Side was, it was like after some shit had happened,

you know, everything. Well, no, we was on Jealous Got Me Strapped, and all of that shit came from each other because Jealous Got Me Strapped came from one of the homies getting jacked, and he gave this shit up, and they killed him anyway. So the theme for the funeral was Jealous Got Me Strapped. Pac was on that and I did Strap on her side. And then we did the video

and Pac was like, we need to do a video of Jealous Got Me Strapped. Jive wasn't ready for some fucking reason. We should have did a video of Jealous Got Me Strapped right around Strap on her side. So Pac agreed to doing a video with Jealous Got Me Strapped. Yeah. And strap. So Pac agreed to doing a video with Jealous Got Me Strapped. Yeah. And Jobs said no because

of what? Budget reasons? Because they couldn't clear Pac. Probably because of budget reasons. Yeah, I'm sure. It was early Pac. Dang. And they didn't really know, you know, what it was. Who Tupac was.

Who he was about to be, bro. You know what I'm saying?upac was and what yeah nah who he's about who he's about to be bruh you know what I'm saying and I was just like my nigga dope let's let's get this shit cracking

but you know it's like they don't it's like why you don't listen to the machine the artist

is the motherfucker making the music that people paying to listen to yeah obviously he got a ear for some shit to say something or a motherfucker making the music that people paying to listen to. Obviously he got an ear for some shit

to say something or whatever he say, you should take it into significance. You might be able to, no shit. Did you ever consider yourself one of the more and I don't even like using the word hardcore, but more hardcore

artist at that time because I don't think I mean the word hardcore, but more hardcore artists at that time, because I don't think. I mean, there was artists, but you can see this. So gangster, right? You were. Yeah, that's what I mean, though. But I'm saying you was pushing the envelope. You seem like the most realistic, hardcore artist at that time. I just, you know, I didn't. I literally didn't give a fuck.

I was just like, I'm going to say what we, how we get down out here and what it really is, but I'm going to keep this shit

to a minimum to where they don't really, they can't siphon this shit out if they ain't really part of this shit. Right.

You know what I'm saying? But I'm going to spit it for real, though. And so my whole point wasn't to go platinum and do a radio song. Either politically driven or, you know, rebellious, rebel type. You know, because I wanted to talk about the street, three strikes laws and shit. You know, I'm on East Street. I was out there. So it was fucked up. And I seen fucked up shit happening.

So I'm like, you know, if I can have these people listen, if they're listening, I'm finna say this shit if they're listening. I'm finna say, you know, talk about this. These niggas, you know, put this shit out here and say, hey, sometimes niggas be riding around here shooting. And the little girl gets shot in the motherfucking head. And these dumbass niggas riding around here thinking that it's cool. Like, I got to put that out there. is shot in the motherfucking head and these dumbass niggas riding around here thinking that it's cool. I got to put that out there so motherfuckers recognize that. We have to be mediators.

This gangster rap shit, you got a tag on your back as a gangster rapper, that's what's going to be there. That's what it is. But your function in this game is sometimes you got to mediate shit. You got to come between

the streets and the motherfucking the industry. You got to go over here and holler at the streets and be like, hey, y'all can't just go over there and get down like that, bro. You know what I'm saying?

I'm in LA. Motherfucking OG Crip hit a nigga up. You know, he like,? I'm in L.A. Motherfucking O.G. Crip hit a nigga up. You know, he like, Nigga, I need you to go in here and tell these motherfuckers, you know what I'm saying? Tell these motherfuckers, man, he's throwing rocks at Snoop Trailer, nigga.

You know what I'm like? He's telling me that it's some blood throwing rocks at Snoop Trailer and shit. You know what I'm saying? This is back in the day? Yeah. Okay. And he's telling me to go down at Snoop Trailer and shit. You know what I'm saying? This is back in the day? Yeah. Okay. And he telling me to go down there and talk to him and shit.

Talk to the Young Bloods? Yeah, to some Bloods. You know what I'm saying? They got nothing to do with you. I'm from the Bay, man. I'm like, I can't go down there. Those politics don't go to you. You want me to go down there and tell these niggas?

He said, man, they're going to listen to you, nigga. They're going to listen to you. They don't fucking listen to me. They're going to listen to you, nigga. They're going to listen to you. They ain't going to fucking listen to me. They're going to listen to you, nigga. You ain't going to listen to me, nigga. They're going to listen to you. Fuck it, you know what I'm saying, lady. They throwing rocks at Snoop Dogg.

At least let me go fucking say something. Damn, they can't. I go down there and shit. Oh, shit. They sitting over there. They on shirr. They shirr down. I canr, they shirr down. I can tell the niggas shirr down and shit.

They like, you know, one nigga walk up and he like, damn, blood, you look like Spice One, blood. And I'm like, I am like Spice One, nigga. I said, it is, it's me, my nigga. I said, hey, it's me. You know what I'm saying? And then he walked back and he said hey that nigga

said he's Spice One blood and the other nigga said he come up closer he like that is Spice One

blood that's him nigga they gonna call the police now I'm over here with y'all they gonna call

the police they gonna they gonna say y'all. They're going to call the police. They said y'all was throwing rocks at Snoop Trailer or bottles or something. I don't know what the fuck. But they done called the police.

And I'm over here to just say, hey man, motherfuckers, they called the police. You know what I'm saying? Let's get the fuck out of here. Can we leave now?

Can we go? We go up the street, fire up. I said watch watch this motherfucker pull up papa roll up we over there like damn

I told you you know what I'm saying I looked out for y'all damn I told you so but that that type of shit

even when Pac was doing the shit in Milwaukee with them GDs that day, that shit was crazy. I guess a seven-year-old vice lord

shot an eight-year-old gangster disciple back in the day at this show and shit. Get the fuck out of here. That's crazy. I remember him. And Pac was mad

like it was his kids or something. You know, he was hot. That nigga was. I remember him. And Pac was mad like it was his kids or something. You know, he was hot. The nigga was mad and he just ran past me and he tapped me on the shoulder.

Hey, Lori, the nigga tapped me on the shoulder, bro. He ran past and he tapped me on the shoulder and he said,

let's go, come on. I said, you finna go record? I said, you finna go perform? He said, I'm finna go fight.

I'm finna go fight. I'm finna go fight. My dumb ass pulled out the banger and grabbed the chair I was sitting on and walked out behind him and shit. Like, okay, let's go fight. Let's go. I got a chair and a Glock, nigga. I'm on stage and this nigga is screaming out,

fuck y'all niggas. Y'all some bitch ass niggas this and that and y'all let an eight year old vice lord kill whatever however it went

kill a seven year old gangsta gangsta disciple however the shit in Milwaukee in Milwaukee okay and I'm like

you know what are you doing like y'all we're gonna die we're gonna die tonight guess we die tonight. Guess we die tonight. And you know,

um, that shows you Pac's heart though, man. Yeah, he was mad as fuck, bro. But that, that,

they tried to kill us. Tried to kill a motherfucker. But they, they felt us at the end, on the end. You know what I'm saying? We was ready to die for that shit.

They kind of just let it go. Like, okay, all right, y I'm saying? We was ready to die for that shit. They kind of just let it go. Like, okay, all right, y'all right. We was going to kill y'all, but we all right. You right. You kind of right. We shouldn't have let that happen. You know what I'm saying?

But yeah, you know, this is the, I feel that as a gangster rap artist, this is the type of shit that you do. You mediating shit between Crips and Blunds and whoever respect your music. And you do gangster rap, so all

of the gangsters, they mostly respect your shit. From the motherfucking Yakuza all the way to the mafia. You know what I'm saying? To the Mexican mafia. All of that shit. And I know this. I'm not just talking.

I know this from experience. I've been there. Right. I done been in the county. Like I said, SA's like, oh, we didn't know it was you. We thought you was so ass. We should have jumped your ass, motherfucker. Why this was love? I'm just gonna say, because you was

black? No, you said because they thought that you weren't you. Yeah, that and because they thought I was a poser. Because, you know, in L.A., back then, it's different now. Back in L.A., back then, you couldn't just

be no nigga up in there with, you know, like that because you might get jumped. You know what I'm saying? The Mexicans might jump you. The fucking white boys might jump you. It don't matter who you are. If you're sitting somewhere by yourself, you might get jumped. You know what I'm saying? And they just realized it was me and was like, oh, shit, okay.

I got my pass. Like, you know, my niggas, you know what I'm saying? Y'all, only reason y'all, I'm sorry to say this, but the reason y'all motherfuckers in here is probably because y'all listening to my shit. You crazy motherfuckers? Mm-hmm. But, you know, it's all love, you know. I done ran up on her. You ever ran up on some motherfuckers, some youngsters and shit?

And y'all ready to get down and they look at you in the face and back up? Like, ah, hell no. My uncle will fucking kill me. My uncle will kill my ass if I fight you right now. Nigga, I'm cool alright Spice what's up man it's good

it's cool that's how you know when you got love and respect on them streets you know what I'm saying and because you because you don't fuck with OG's

and they OG's out there now and they nephews and sons is out there they're running up on you and they gonna fuck they nephews and sons up

or it's going to be a bad day. They do the wrong... I remember a motherfucker a motherfucker that let my shit off his toe thing because I was parked in his thing too long. I came out and shit. He was like, oh, my uncle killed me.

I got to let your shit down. I like, oh, my uncle would kill me. I gotta let your shit down. I said, who's your uncle? He told me who his uncle was. I said, yeah, he'll fuck you up. Let my shit down. I know who your uncle is. Let my shit down. Let's talk about Sugar Happy.

Oh, you remember that shit, honey. That was the shit. Come on, man. We recorded that when I was out there. That was around when I was 99. That's the other 187 proof type shit. You know, I'm talking about guns. And I got the females in there singing the hook and shit.

You know, that's my style. You know what I'm saying? I like doing shit like that. I got Trigger Happy. I got one called Candy where I'm making females sound like people I'm making

chocolate sound like females and shit like that that's some fly shit like some pimp shit I don't know what I'm saying I want some pimp shit you know what I'm talking but you know

it's just a fun style for me to do you know and I feel like I do it well and I can get motherfuckers to listen when I do this shit it's all about

marketing that shit though you know what I'm saying you gotta have your own shit your own fucking section where you get down that's how you get down

that's what you do you only gonna get my CD you only gonna get this coming out of my CD you only gonna get the stutter rap. You only going to get this type of shit

coming from my shit. Anybody else do this? Yeah, where did that come from, the stutter rap? Yeah. And are you mad at mumble rap? Nah, it's not the same. Well, yeah,

mumble rap is different because it's... Or mumble rap coming from stutter rap? Nah. I think that... You envisage all these motherfuckers. Nah, bro, I don't think it's... Or homo rap coming from stutter rap. Nah. I think that... You envisaged all these motherfuckers. Nah, bro.

I don't think it's your fault. I think that they... It's your fault. The stutter rap, I did that because I didn't want to test. Like, certain things were like, okay. You're adding yourself. Let me...

If I just say this word twice and make a cap in a minute's brain with a nine, you know. Instead of cap in a motherfucking brain with a nine. You know what I'm saying? So it got like that. It was like. Was that before Daz FX? Yeah.

Because I never thought of it until right now, but it seems very similar in style. 90, it was around that same time. All of that shit was Daz. 90, it was around that same time. All of that shit was... That's what was crazy. And they were dope, too. Yeah, yeah. Not to take anything away from them. When I was going...

When I was doing that shit, the GDs, Gangsta Disciples, love that shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, that's their song. Like, I go to fucking,

I go to church. Oh, okay. That was their song. Gangsta, gangsta, gangsta, gangsta, gangsta,

kick in the phone, gangsta, you know, because they're gangstas, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, it's always, like I'm saying? Right. But, you know, it's always, like I'm saying, like, sometimes you had to get in the middle with that shit.

And that shit was not healthy at all. It's not healthy. You know? It's really not healthy, you know? But when you know what you got to do and you got to slide some game to some niggas, then you just got to slide game to some niggas and hope they listen, you know? And that's the bottom line, you know, each one teach one. You know, it's hard to say when a motherfucker, the game is to be sold, not told. Yeah, that's cool, but each one teach one, I think will be a little bit better so we can all get money around this motherfucker. You know what I'm saying?

Pimpin' is coming out of him. See that? Real spit. Everybody from the Bay Area got Pimpin' in them. Oh, he definitely got it. Everybody from the Bay Area. That spiel is there. But let's talk about D-Boys got love for me.

Beat you in. My brother, Farty Walter. Well, you know. How did this record come about? featuring my brother, Farty Walter. Well, you know, how did this record come about? And did the D-Boys have love for you? Well, yeah, they did. That was the cool shit about it,

because they didn't even invest. You know, niggas invest. They invest in your project. Your shit was hot. Right. I walk up to a motherfucker who's so hella dope. Be like, nigga, listen to this.

He be like, I'm gonna put some money into that wow street nigga yeah all the time feel more slim yeah like

type of nigga but they but they you know if they if they making money selling dope and they realize

they can sell a whole different type of dope. Whole different type of dope. And you happen to be the dope. And they can do this without getting raided. Shit. Why the fuck not? Right.

I know a motherfucker put some money into my first shit. You know what I'm saying Hell yeah you know why the fuck not Nigga who the fuck Want to sit there and sell dough for the rest of their life Not me You know you can get down or whatever you know what I'm saying But I mean shit

Hey you got fans All that over crack hell no Who want them problems you know what I'm saying Unless the nigga built for it Built for that shit and don't plan on living long or, you know, having this motherfucking

freedom long and shit or just dealing with this shit for the rest of his life because that's what's going to happen. You know, if you want, when you get older and want peace in your life, it's one thing.

You know what I'm saying? Fuck that. I'm older now. I want peace in my life. Make my music. Get my money, you know. But now, you know, but now, you know,

you gotta still come with hot shit, but I feel I'm there, though. Even on this new album, I'm there. But you didn't answer the question,

but how did that come when you and E-40 together? How did it come about? Yeah. Well, I think, who was that? Same fucking place fucking Same studio Because that's why

The music was so great back then Same place I met Pac, bro Same place I met Pac Me and 40 In my neighborhood video Me and 40 was talking about Same spot?

Yeah Same video At the video Same video shoot Y'all made 1340 and 2B I knew shoot. Y'all may start talking about doing that. Yeah, we started talking about doing that. Well, I knew 40, but that's what we was talking about doing today.

Oh. Because he was, you know when we was surrounding the garbage can and all that shit? We was talking about doing it there. There. Like, yeah, we need to do some shit. Because the last one he had on,

he was talking on. So I knew it was when I was 40. 40. He was only talking on it. What was the name of the record? It was America's Nightmare. Okay.

I got that in my notes. Yeah, like, they get out of line, you gotta chop it. Reach into my drawers and pull out my strap. Yeah, that shit was dope. But why was he talking

on that one? Why was he featured, fully featured on that one why was he featured fully featured on that because i um i just i just wanted to i just wanted to i just wanted her to talk that i just wanted him to talk that you know he can rap it out you know cool i just wanted to talk that that so bad like talk that right talk that about yeah bad. Like, talk that shit, nigga. Talk that shit about, yeah, I'm just a game-hustling motherfucker. Say all that shit. Say that shit. I wanted him to say that shit so bad.

There's more shots going. You know what I'm saying? I wanted him to talk like that, bro. Like, yeah, I'm this game-hustling motherfucker from the Vallejo Cero 2. Like, spit that shit, nigga. Say that shit. That shit was hella dope to me when he said that shit. Like, nigga, you ain't even got to rap. Say that. 40s it was, bro. That shit was hella dope to me when he said that shit.

Like, nigga, you ain't even got to rap. Just talk. And you would kill it. And then, you know, hopefully he wouldn't feel no kind of way about it. You know what I'm saying? But I just, you know, I was a fan. And I wanted him to do whatever. I wanted to catch him doing everything.

You know what I'm saying? So I didn't want to have to pay him for talking and rapping and shit. I didn't have enough money. I didn't have enough money for that. But I wanted him to do both. You know what I'm saying? Really. But, you know, shit.

I was a fan even back in the day. Shit. I wanted him to talk on the air and rap. Shit. So I got to ask. When MC Hammer came out, he from your town. He might

be a gangster. Oh, we heard. He did some gangster shit. We heard he's gangster. But the world is perceiving this man as a different individual. In hip-hop. They're laughing at him. a different individual. In hip-hop.

They're laughing at him. Not the world, just hip-hop. Whoa. Because the world loved him. How does people feel at the Bay at this time? I'm not even asking you. I'm asking you to answer for your whole... It's a lot of lames out there

that don't understand the game. Okay. Let's take a shot first, real quick. Damn, why my shot is mad bigger than yours? I'd imagine the hustling side of the bay would respect however Hammer

was getting money like if you was a real motherfucking if you really got down like that okay so yeah tell us describe what happened

because Hammer is killing it you ain't gonna want everybody to know anyway you kind of kind of trying to you know disguise that shit

you know if you really get down like that you really get down like that you really kind of trying to keep know disguise that shit you know if you really get down like that you really get down like that you really kind of trying to keep it on a slender you know what i'm saying on the under like as far as um who hammer was where he came from like the nigga got clowned me from the he's a real bay nigga he's a real reputable uh factor in the bay as far as in oakland you know what i'm saying he's reputable as far as um you know don't fuck with him and his people like you know what i'm saying like they like real not to fuck not to be fucked with boys like for real for real no i heard that mr vat told me yeah and and like so you know

anybody but but but a real it just show you how real a nigga he is. He trying to promote the brighter side of life and music. That's real. You know what I'm saying? And I understood that. I understood that. Like, okay, man, you know, because this shit. You outside the city don't.

Yeah, they don't know. They just see the hammer pass. Yeah, he's a punk, but he's not a punk. That's the easier way to explain it. Nah, that nigga got people. You know what I'm saying? He can make moves. He's strategic with his move.

He a real bad nigga. He a real, you know, like real no-nonsense dude, like a real stand-up type guy, like a motherfucking, he see shit in black and white. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time he know how to move he trying to you know he trying to move he don't want to be

on the radar like that like that you know what I'm saying any smart motherfucker ain't trying to be on the radar like that like that my shit more I don't give a fuck you know what I'm saying I don't have no whole card.

Nobody does, but not saying he do or whatever. I don't, I'm not, I'm not trying to hide shit. Like, I'm just going to keep shit real. You know what I'm saying? Like, from the, I'm going to cuss. I'm going to say what the fuck I want to say. But, you know, certain things I won't do. Like, I won't, I'm not going to come out on camera with no big ass

motherfucking shotgun and AK-47 and shit because I'm a motherfucking felon. I'm a real, real, real guy. Right. I don't,

I can't be seen on camera with no motherfucking guns and shit, niggas. Y'all crazy? I try, I'm Spice One, you know. Certain things you can't motherfucking

continue there's certain shit you can't do when you're in a certain position in life or you got more to lose than the average motherfucker you know what i'm saying you can't just sit there and and disrespect the blessings god gave you disrespect your position and shit you know what I'm saying? You can't just sit there and disrespect the blessings God gave you, disrespect your position and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to honor that shit, make it, and get money, and live out your life. When you get this age at, you know, 50, you get in your 50s,

I'm in my 50s. You know what I'm saying? I'm over half a hundred, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Hell, yeah, I'm still rocking. You got to learn to enjoy life. You know what I'm saying? Hell yeah. Still rocking. You got to learn to enjoy life. You know what I'm saying? Because none of us learn to enjoy life.

And the most important thing to all of this shit is spending time with people that you love and that love you and your family. That's the most important thing in life because when they gone, they gone, bro. That's the richest thing you do. You spend as much time as you can with people that you love or that love you. And you know, they love you in your life. That's what you do. You know what I'm saying?

It's about having a number one single, hot single, all of that shit. That's cool. But you know, um, the most important thing to me is spending time with people who left. Because we don't know how long any

of us going to be here. Motherfuckers dropping like flies, you know what I'm saying, real quick. Are we taking a shot for that? Not for dying. No, no, no. A living. He's talking about people who have died. A living.

Thanks, sonny. By the way, I haven't seen Jamie. Well, I like that. Thanks, sonny. Thanks, sonny. By the way, I haven't seen Jamie pour you a shot at all in the last 20 minutes. She pour me shots. I pour my own shots. Oh, you don't trust Jamie? No, Jamie's my friend. She probably over there like, that nigga toasted it.

That's some Bay Area shit when a nigga tell you he toasted. We don't use that here at Drink Chance. You toasted, man. No, you toasted right now. You toasted. Yes, he's taking the picture. Shut up. That's some E-40 motherfucking slango.

Gonna be toasted. Listen, me and E-40 got a secret album somewhere. Do you really? Like, it's like four records. We gotta put it out when we do it. Ding, ding, ding. That's called an EP?

Yeah. Yeah, like... By the way, I've never seen this before in my life. E-40 came to my studio and laid on his stomach and started writing rhymes. Carlo Rossi. That's the good one. Carlo Rossi. You gotta stop.

Was he probably Carlo Rossi, man? You know he did Carlo Rossi. Yo, so he came to my studio. This is, by the way, this is... And he put his legs up like this behind him? No. Don't do that. How else do you lay on your stomach?

I tell you, he's 40 right rhymes. He laid on his stomach and I was like, yo, we don't really pay our cleaning ladies. You know what I mean? He's like,

I don't give a fuck. No, I was like, I was really being honest. I was like, you know, our cleaning ladies is kind of like in New York. This is in the hood lab.

Oh, that was the dirtiest place in the world. Well, by the way, it's in the richest place in New York City. It was a dirty ass studio. But I wanted it to be called the hood lab. I wanted to own the property. You sprinkle cockroach dust. Yeah.

He's going too far. But he's right, though. He's going too far, but he's right. I slept there one night. This nigga said cockroach dust, right. I slept there one night. This nigga said cockroach dust, man. Listen, listen, listen. This is the richest place

a man had. But me, in my mind, I was like, I want to make the dirtiest music ever. So if I can do that, I don't want, I want to rent

or buy. Man, are you really saying this now? Okay, I said it. You really did this consciously? You made it look like a shithole? Yeah. Man, I wish you would have told me when I went.

Yo, you know what I'm saying? This is an Airbnb shithole. Okay. What is D&D? A shithole. D&D is a shithole. D&D is a shithole. But with a good SSL board. No.

A good SSL, yes, correct. I agree with you totality. But it was on 47th. I had property on 32nd and Madison. Right. One of the only black person that had a property. And you know what I did? I said,

I don't want it to resemble that because they had baseline. They had everything. So, you know, Miff Bleak, that's why Miff Bleak and me is cool to this day. A couple of other artists,

2 Chainz, they would come and they would come hang with me and I would invoice them and... Hook them up. Yeah, this shit was real. Like, this shit was real because I was on Manhattan. Now, if they would have ever, those A&Rs

would have ever came to see how we were living. No, this shit was crazy. No, no, no. Oh, it's Chinese. It's sandwich pieces. There's no Mr. Chaps. There was no cleaning person at all. No cleaning person.

But by the way. You had to fight for your bottle of liquor that you bought. But by the way, some of the best music ever produced out of there. No, amazing. Amazing. Because it was just like, and the pictures, if you see it. The chemistry was amazing And by the way

We always Credit Crazy Hood For the Of Drink Champs But it actually started The Hood Lab

Which is the Hood Lab The environment was Hood Lab It was the Hood Lab And then You know Crazy Hood We went What's the name and then you know Crazy Hood we went

what's the name of your studio? Crazy Hood Crazy Hood Crazy Hood our name was the hood lab and his name was

Crazy Crazy Hood Crazy Hood Crazy Hood and then if you put those both together that's what makes

Drink Champs yeah like right right right it's a weird combination but it's the shit though you know what I'm saying If you put those both together, that's what makes Drink Champs. Yeah. Right, right, right. It's a weird combination. But it's the shit, though. You know what I'm saying?

Drink Champs happen super organic, naturally. Yeah, yeah. Just getting drunk and getting fucked up. Well, you can't beat that with a batch. And loving hip-hop. Yeah. That was a main ingredient. Wait, what? Loving hip-hop.

What does loving hip-hop got to do with it? Loving, not loving hip-hop. Oh, loving hip-hop. That's you. I don't want to be onving hip-hop. What does loving hip-hop got to do with it? Loving, not loving hip-hop. Oh, loving hip-hop. That's you. I don't want to be a loving hip-hop. You want to be a loving hip-hop. What the fuck? He said loving hip-hop.

He said loving hip-hop. Loving hip-hop. I ain't going to scoff at that. You was like, yeah, loving hip-hop. Now, listen. Who loves hip-hop that much, though? I fucked with loving hip-hop. Now, listen. We love hip-hop that much, though. I fucked with love and hip-hop. Yeah, I did.

Oh, hell yeah. I did not. And you fucked me up and put me in it anyways. You liked it. No, I didn't like it. Don't lie. I did not like it. I wonder why they never put, like, you know, like, niggas like me and Short and Sugar Free on Love & Hip Hop.

You should be Love & Hip Hop. Y'all should do the West Slug. Like, my slogan, me and me and Too Short's slogan already, like, ain't no love, bitch. I think that would be the most amazing Love & Hip Hop ever. I would like to produce that show, Ain't No Love, Bitch. I would like that. But you got to wear the bulletproof vest the whole time. You know what? Ain't No love, bitch. No. I was like that. But you got away with a bulletproof vest the whole time. You know what?

Ain't no love, bitch. What's this like? Is this like the love of like The Bachelor? You're not a bachelor. You take it, right? What the fuck? That even sounded weird, though. Bro, you take it?

Yeah, you take it. He gonna swipe left or right. Left or right. I got him. You got him? I got him. So I don't know what that means. Yeah, you take it. He gonna swipe left or right. Left or right. I got him. You got him? I got him. So I don't know what that means.

I just got him. I said you gotta swipe left. You got a lady or you got a man? He got one. I got him. You got him. Them. Them. Goddamn.

I got a woman. I got a girl. It's getting weird. I got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. We're going with pronouns. No, you got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl.

You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl.

You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. You got a girl. I'm going to let you win tonight. Nothing to go back. Go ahead. Keep going.

Good. So, go ahead. You got a girl. Yeah. You got to have somebody on your back. I respect that. Yeah, you got to have somebody, man.

You can't just be sitting out here naked man definitely not I'm out there naked well it certainly depends on where you at naked we already talked about in my neighborhood we were talking about dumping them in the ditches

wow yeah that came from the shootout that came from the shootout that came from the shootout you didn't ask if it was ready huh you supposed to ask

if y'all ready yeah yeah you were shooting that came from when I you know when I told when I was talking to Trey I was telling you

oh yeah yeah yeah that was just that like came out of that and shit like like dumping them in ditches like crazy I was you you know, it was a lot of gangster shit going on back then, you know.

Nigga had to kind of like, you know, like let motherfuckers know back then, bro. I had to, you know, pull out the banger a few times. Like, hey nigga, you know, I'm trying to be Spice One, my nigga, but I will, don't make me have to like, you know, light your ass up out here, my nigga. I'm trying to be spice one my nigga but i will i will don't make me have to like you know light your ass up out here my nigga i'm trying to be spice one can i just be a rapper but you're trying to make me get down like that though you know i don't want to be drugged back into the

motherfucking streets like that but i i'm trying you know what i'm saying so that's what dumping them in dishes was about like you know niggas trying to pull me back down into the hole like that. Now that I got to the point to where I can do shows in Japan and in Europe and England and shit. And I got fans all over the world. But you niggas want to make me come back down here and blow y'all motherfucking brains out. Which is easy, though. Two pounds of pressure with the right banger. You know what I'm saying?

Why, though? Why I can't just be me? Why I can't just go be Spice One? Why y'all pulling me down to the point to where I got a murderer motherfucker to prove to you niggas that I'm hard? Fuck out of here, nigga. I got fans in Japan.

I'm good. You know what I'm saying? So that's what Dumping Them in Ditches was about. I don't want to have to do all that. The game pulled me out of that. Now, basically, I can do that if I want to, but shit, I'm trying to go back to Japan. The first three rows I want to, but shit. I'm trying to go back to Japan.

The first three rows was Japanese females doing this shit. I'm trying to go back to that. Fuck is y'all talking about? Get back to that. Fuck out of here, nigga. I'm good. I'm trying to be, I'm cool. You know what I'm saying? It is what it is.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. I'm, you know, but you don't, like. Taking a shot for that? I feel like. Yeah, let's take a shot for that, man. I'm, you know, but you don't, like... Taking a shot for that? Yeah, let's take a shot for that, man, real quick. Because you don't know who you are until you leave the country. God damn. Why are we taking the picture? One thing I want to say is the American

Negro is everywhere. Like, we pop out. You know, I go to different countries. I see, you know, I see motherfuckers and shit, and I'm like, hey, man, what's popping with it, pimpin'? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is. You know what I'm saying?

What is it? Let them know where I'm from just by my lingo. You know what I'm saying? What is it? You know what I'm saying? Let them know where I'm from just by my lingo. You know what I'm saying? If they from New York or wherever the fuck they from, they're going to be like, he's from the Bay Area. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's cool when you go out to the country because you don't, you know, that's when I know,

when you know who you are. Because, I'm saying, people just keep going. I never thought in a million years that I could go to Germany and pack the house like that. But when you go out to country, do you feel more part of the country? When you leave,

I don't know if you understand what I'm saying, like the culture, like when you leave, because I always tell people the number one export, I think of America as hip hop culture. Right? To the world. export, I think, of America is hip hop culture. Right?

To the world. Yeah. You're probably right. No, I think so. I think the United States should cherish hip hop culture as literally the number one influencing culture in the world. Yeah. And I don't think they've done justice by it. You're probably right, man.

But do you feel when you go out of town that you were treated as such yeah because it's different when you leave the country like i know i didn't think that man in a million years i never would have thought because when the dude booked the venue when he booked the venue in Germany they held three or four thousand people for me and I had you know and I'm seeing

they got bus you know my name my face on the side of the bus they got the the billboards up everything and I'm in Germany

and I'm like this is crazy like and and'm in Germany and I'm like, this is crazy. And and I go and I'm thinking I'm thinking a promoter is here somewhere. I'm thinking a promoter is going to lose money and shit. Yeah,

Google or whatever. Trust me, it's Düsseldorf. I'm thinking a promoter is going to lose money. I'm thinking i'm thinking promoter gonna lose money i'm feeling bad for the promoter like he's gonna lose money i get there and line around the corner yeah you got i got the deposit i'm good yeah i was cool you know i'm paid and shit and everything like come on i'm gonna lose money this is fucked up this is bad it's packed i get there it's packed man lying around the corner and the people that were lying around the corner they had to cut them

off they couldn't let them in no more. It was over. I get to the show and I'm like, and that's when I started doing the Michael, you know, I do the show and I do the Michael Jackson shit and they fucking screaming and shit. You know, it was crazy. You know what I'm saying? Then I come back to America and I walk through Walmart and shit.

Nobody knows. Nobody knows. It's beautiful. I just want to stop the average motherfucker you know I just did a show in fucking Germany with Elton John in the crowd yeah with Elton John screaming loud just screaming

I couldn't stop I had to stop rapping for them to stop screaming and shit so loud shout out to Germany that was on the shit they knew what it was, man. They had fun. They came to the show and partied.

You know what I'm saying? As long as I know they're doing that, then my job is fucking done. You know what I'm saying? Listen, my man. My brother. Let me just tell you

something, man. I said it earlier, but I want to say it again. We started this show. Me and my good friend right here. Everyone calls him effing. Sometimes he doesn't correct him. It hurts me.

His name is E. He got a dot. I don't got a dot, but it's great. It's okay. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about me. Oh, you got a dot? No.

E. Dot. F. And then they'd be like, effing. And I'd be like, I don't know. It cringes me. I'm in. I'm in.

But it's my brother. It's my friend. Whatever else. I don't know. I don't want to get gone like that but when we started this show we sat down and we pinpointed people that we wanted to praise we pinpointed people that we wanted to

make sure that their legacy and their stamp on earth meant something to not us our staff our audience stamp on earth meant something to us, our staff, our audience, and just people that's affiliated with us. When I tell you,

you're a top 10 from the beginning. We understood your legacy. We understood how much you meant to hip-hop you understood how much you meant to us and we've been trying to i know this frequency has not connected for quite some time but it connected now yeah we believe in god no matter what god name. We believe that it's a higher power that exists. And we want to tell you, man, thank you, man, for being who you are. Thank you for continuing to do what you do.

And thank you for saying something that you said earlier. You was like, I'm just a pure hip hop artist yeah yeah real shit that's it I know hip hop that's it you put two turntables

in front of me I know what to do with a mixer you know what I'm saying I got breakdancing trophies and shit wow like I'm real hip hop

I'm hip hop bro I got breakdancing trophies and medals from winning breakdancing contests and shit and all of that shit Wow. Like, I'm real hip-hop. I'm hip-hop, bro. I got breakdancing trophies and medals from winning breakdancing contests and shit and all of that shit. Say no more. It ain't just, you know, selling dope gangster shit and all of that. I'm hip-hop. You know what I'm saying? No, you hip-hop. Yeah.

But as a person that, you know, I told you this when I first met you. I'm going to reiterate this. You know, in a lot of ways, a lot of things that you guys, if you guys didn't do it, I wouldn't exist. Which means that this show wouldn't exist. So you're the godfather of a lot. And I just want to tell you, man. But you my homie, man. No, no, no, chill.

No, this is your day. You my nigga. This is your day. This is your flowers. And we really, really, really, really, really appreciate you coming down and seeing us. Because me and this motherfucker right here, like, I might be major label. He might be independent. But when we put ourselves together, we're hip-hop. It don't got nothing to do with his preference or my preference.

It got everything to do with our love for hip-hop. And a day like today, we all woke up out of bed early because we knew we was going to salute the great, the legendary, alive motherfucking Spice One. So I want you to know, because me and

you has been homies for years, but let me just say something. The fact that we're homies does not dumb down the fact that I'm a fan. The fact that we're a fan. The fact that we wanted to give you your flowers. So we're going to take a couple of pictures. You do

a couple of drops. Let's do one more shot, Jamie. Let's wrap it up. Let's do a shot. Look at that. She already got points. I at that. Look at that. She already had points. Hold on. Hold on.

I'll take this. This is the last shot. She gave me the crazy good drink, too. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production, hosts, and executive producers, N-O-R-E and DJ E-F-N. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by yours truly, DJ EFN

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