Drink Champs - Episode 418 w/ Yelawolf

Episode Date: July 12, 2024

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode we chop it up with the one and only, Yelawolf!Yelawolf joins us to share his journey! Yelawolf shares stories of signing to Shady Records and working with the iconic Eminem.Yelawolf talks Trunk Muzik Music, G-Eazy, and much much more!Lots of great stories that you don’t want to miss!! Listen to WAR STORY the new album by YELAWOLF! Make some noise for Yelawolf!!! 💐💐💐🏆🏆🏆   *Subscribe to Patreon NOW for exclusive content, discount codes, M&G’s + more:  🏆* https://www.patreon.com/drinkchamps *Listen and subscribe at https://www.drinkchamps.com Follow Drink Champs: https://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps https://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps https://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps https://www.youtube.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN https://www.crazyhood.com https://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy https://www.twitter.com/djefn https://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. https://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga https://www.twitter.com/noreagaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. legendary queens rapper hey hey it's your boy n-o-r-e he's a miami hip-hop pioneer what up it's dj efn together they drink it up with some of the biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts it's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hope it is what it should be. This your boy, N-O-R-E. What up?

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What up? What up? What up? He has records From everybody From Gangsta Boo To Gucci Man To motherfucking Eminem He still sells out toys He pulled up in the Cullinan And he came early I fucking respect the shit out of that

We are going to have some fun today We're going to drink some whiskey We heard he's a whiskey guy See he got them American spirits over there Yo Sonny D.P.D. In case you don't know. My favorite.

Was he the yellow one? Oh, yeah. Yellow back. Yeah. Yellow back. So make it look like we're on the yellow one. Now, Alabama but Tennessee. Yeah.

How does that go together? Born in Alabama. Uh-huh. Then I moved to, I actually moved to Antioch. So I grew up in the same hood, Jelly Roll. Wow.

Struggle. So Antioch when I was about seven. And I lived there from seven to 15 years old and then to Atlanta, Georgia and back to Alabama. And so basically Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee was the feeding feeding grounds so speak so when I listen to your music I do hear a taste of Atlanta that now it

makes sense yes that's where it pops Atlanta is where I had to go to Atlanta to get it going you made your chops there yeah yeah I linked up with a seabaird Kwan Prather Ghetto Vision, and Jeremy Jones. And early on, it was Malay. Right. The producer did Blonde, Channel Orange. Right. So we were out there making noise, and that's where I got my chops up.

I had to get out of Alabama to go get heard. Okay. So I was on the streets for a while, sl know, slinging tapes out the trunk, doing that whole In Alabama? Yeah, in Alabama. Wow. What is the music scene like in Alabama? It's more country.

Yeah, it's changed a lot. But, you know, the best way to describe the kind of neighborhood lifestyle that I grew up in is like hustle and flow. Like visually, it's pretty much just like that. Actually, exactly like that. Box Chevys, you know, just creepy little hoods. You got a song called Box Chevy, too. Oh, yeah, plenty. I'm on number eight right now. Actually, on War Story, the double album we just released, Box Chevy Part 8, I got Killer Mike is on it. Wow. Killer Mike and Bubz Styles. And

so, yeah, we got a whole series of Bach Chevy records. All right. I think that's what's one of the most unique thing about you is no one can put you in a box. Like, I can't say uh uh Like, if I hear you on

a song with somebody, I'm not shocked because I feel like you can do anything. I feel like that's like more your style. It's like, it's not, that's, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. My, my, I, I, my manager and I, you know, we got a thing like creatively schizophrenic, professionally bipolar, you know, that's pretty, you know, like being able to weave in and out of styles and my consistency is literally my inconsistency. You know what I mean? I like to change.

I like to explore a lot of shit. And yeah, you know, I don't put boundaries on creativity. I never. I'll take some noise back. Who were those early influences? Like, were there local artists in Alabama? And then when you went to Atlanta, I'm sure that that really influenced you, that whole scene.

Who were those early influences? Yeah, no. Well, I mean, it seems fantastical or unbelievable, but my mother's first long-term boyfriend did light and sound for Alabama. Ted Nugent, REO Speedwagon, 10,000 Maniacs and then Aerosmith during the walk this way tour this is a true story whoa

I was six years old that's legendary living in Alabama in Fort Payne and it was a dry county so during the walk dry county meaning like

you can't drink no liquor okay okay go ahead yeah so before you finish that story what should I drink

should I drink some whiskey yeah let's fucking drink I'll put you some Japanese whiskey let's get some Japanese whiskey. Let's get some Japanese whiskey going. Go ahead. All right.

Well, so since it was a dry county, but my mom and her boyfriend, they held the party down all the time. You know, late parties, whatever. the Run DMC crew and Aerosmith came to our house, brought me My Adidas merch, My Adidas tapes, License to Ill tapes, Beastie Boy tapes. So that was my first, hey, this is hip-hop. At the time, it wasn't like, yo, this is hip-hop. I was just giving music. Because in the music business, you get swag all the time.

It's a bunch of free shit when you're on the road but so that's how i fell into my world the actual sound of hip-hop up until that point you know it was all classic rock and country but it wasn't until i moved to nashville tennessee where the culture of hip-hop started to make sense you know like in the streets but um my early influence i was just surrounded by music I was very you know like dude like five years old they would throw parties all the time but they would just throw me in the basement

yeah and because my mother was you know had a relationship his name was John Orchard and the company was called Electrotech so it was light and sound roadies

all them guys they all roll together you know what I'm saying and they party oh yeah yeah for real and then so I would be down in the basement my uncle now uncle David David Zammett they all roll together you know what i'm saying and they party oh yeah yeah for real and then um so i'll be down in the basement my my uncle now uncle david uh david zammett who was also a sound

engineer for a lot of big bands he did like june jam for you know like dwight yocum and alabama travis tritt all those country guys but he he did programming so there was a sp 1200 in the basement and like they would put me down on the sp 1200 the basement, I would be smacking around on that, you know what I mean, while they were partying and shit, but it was all toyish to me, but the seeds were being laid, you know what I mean, by the time I got to Nashville and picked up skateboarding and got in the graffiti scene, you know, then hip hop was just like a tsunami. Right. You know, it just started flooding into my life.

So it was natural for me to pull all those influences and try to figure it out. It took a long time, though, you know what I mean, to figure out that sound. Right. A long fucking time, man. I heard you use the phrase country hip hop. Was it hip hop country? Well, you know, I'm not a big fan of country rap. You know, like to be quite honest, I don't believe in that genre.

I just think that like. Or parsing up of the genre. I think that hip hop is whatever you make of it because it's a sample based music. Right. So if you want to do sitars in your record, you know what I'm saying? Or if you want to sample a banjo, or if you want to pull from this and pull from that,

hip-hop can be, you know, it's a stew of anything that you, you know. Absolutely. A lot of people, like, they try to put a, they put things into a box and try to compartmentalize each style. Yeah, and it's a marketing scheme too. Yeah, yeah.

But at the end of the day, man, it's just really hip hop. And, you know, to me, you got hip hop, country, rock and roll, blues, you know, those can be compartmentalized. But within hip hop itself, I've always believed in, you know, hip hop's hip hop.

You know, like, it's just your style. What is your style? This is my style. This is how I do it. Now, you started the beef between Machine Gun Kelly and Eminem, right? No, I didn't start it. I'm fucking with you. I mean, hey.

No, I'm just kidding. With the real reason. I'm just kidding. With your face. No, no, no. Oh, jeez. Oh, God. Oh, no, no.

The people don't love. No, people. It's not us. The people here Doesn't allow cigarettes So it's How can you drink And not smoke cigarettes Smoke some weed again

Alright Respect Respect No no no Let's go back to it though It's not good This is a rumor that I heard I heard it

It was your record Machine Gun Kelly Was supposed to get on it Or he got on it You send it to M And then M drops a disc record Yeah that's pretty much how it happens Well so So you didn't know that they had

Like little things going I can't say that I was fully blind To some sort of There was something in the air But honestly DJ Paul Paul, my brother. B6 Mafia, DJ Paul. Go ahead. We were in Nashville working on Trump Music 3.

Uh-huh. And he was like. That was his idea? Yeah. He was like, bro, I got this rowdy beat. If I could get you, Kells, and Marshall on this shit, it'll be out of here. It'll be the craziest three white boys on a record that's ever been heard. I want that record still.

I want that record. I want you all to swap this. That was his whole thing. I was like, man, I mean, fuck it. Let's go. So I laid my verse, sent it to Kels, and Kels was super excited. I told him the whole idea of it. So he knew Eminem was supposed to be on there, too.

I pitched to him. I said, man, I'm trying to get Marshall on this record. Paul produced it. It'll be nuts if we can make this happen. So I recorded it. Kels recorded his verse. Sent it to Marshall. Crickets.

Crickets for months. I don't know how long. All I knew, I knew from then, I was like, I don't know, man. I didn't know there was a diss record coming. But this is you on Shady, right? You're on Shady at this time. Yes, on Shady. This is some exciting shit. I'm on Shady right you're on Shady at this time right yes on Shady yeah this is some exciting shit

continue I'm on Shady and um and I've got I got this record coming out on Shady you know what I mean like it's you know it's a thing it's a Shady release right he puts this

this record out and you have no idea I have no clue I had no one saw it no he didn't say shit to anyone and I'm sitting here with this record it's me, Paul

and Kels and I'm like oh man what the fuck am I gonna do you know what I'm saying cause I was like within an hour

of it hitting the internet Kels facetimes me wow and I picked up the the internet, Kels FaceTimes me. Wow. And I picked up the FaceTime and Kels is going, he's just shaking his head like, nah, man. Nah. Like, I'm not having it. Yeah, exactly.

He was like, nah. I was like, hey, I don't know what to tell you, man. Honestly, like, at this point, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to tell you. I haven't spoken to Marshall, but do what you do. I guess if you want to man up and go there, then go there. But I can't tell you

what's going to happen with you and me. Meaning? I couldn't tell him this may turn into a problem with me and you. Wow. You told him that? Well, yeah. I mean, I was like, dog, if you know.

I was with Shady. So if the general says go, it's go. That's honorable. I mean what I'm saying. That was my gang. I was Shady Records. So respect. So I finally got Marshall on the phone.

I love how you called him Marshall, by the way. I love that. I know him as Eminem. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've always called him. It's weird calling him Eminem. What's up, Eminem? Marshall seems like homecoming shit.

It's weird me calling him Marshall because I don't know him at all. You never met him? I met him one time at the Hip Hop Summit. And it was like we passed by, shook hands, and that was pretty much it. In Detroit. Yeah. Well, I can tell you that I was the only human probably alive with both of them on the phone during that whole thing. Wait a minute, you're going too fast.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. So when Em called you, you got him and Kel? No, no, no. I'm saying separately. Oh, okay, okay. I thought you had the three-way going no i only had a couple conversations with marshall and but i when i did talk to marshall i was in toronto and this is after after he had released the record and and then uh mgk drops his shit and he drops that line you know something about don't take me off of Yellow Wolf's album

yeah don't take me off of Yellow Wolf's album and you took him off the album? no no so I called Marshall I'm sorry I had to ask so I called Marshall basically like listen man obviously I got the utmost respect

for Marshall and I was like listen I like this song I got with Kells. Right. You know, and like I had a beef with Kells early, early on. Yeah. Y'all can't get along. Well, I took, you know, I just, I addressed it on Bootleg Kev. Mm-hmm.

Like, if you want it, let's go. Right. Like, I'm with it. I'm with the bullshit, whatever. But I met him. We handled it. We squashed it. It's all good bullshit, whatever. But I met him. We handled it. We squashed it. It's all good.

And that was years ago. So opportunity to come around to do a record, I was with it. And we've since become good friends. That's my dog. Oh, wow. So I was like, what do you want me to do? I asked Marshall, what do we do? What do you want me to do?

And he said to me, man, put that shit out. People need to hear it. People need to hear that song. So he kept it that way. That's honorable as well. Yeah. He, he,

he respected my career during all of this. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, was that because he thought it was that good of a record or just out of, I think, respect for the situation.

I think respect for me. Yeah, creative. And knowing that I didn't know. Like, had I known, if he had dissed MGK and then I went and afterwards did a record with him,

you know, that would be fucked up. Right, right. But that's not how it happened. Right. So I was just fucking in the middle, like fucking white boy Jesus or some shit. Because I think I heard Game say that he thought

that Machine Gun Kelly, give him a drink. He got a drink? Yeah, I'll take some Creek Water. By the way, this is my brand. That's your shit, right? This is my whiskey brand,

Creek Water. This is our cinnamon. We got the OG 100 proof and this is our brand new one. Give him a new cup though. Our brand new one, Smoked Peach. Oh, you're making it over there?

Okay. Okay. Oh yeah, you got it. Okay. You got it, my bad. So wait, which one was that? Which liquor over there? Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You got it. Okay. You got it. My bad. So, wait. Which one was that?

Which liquor was that? Cinnamon. Cinnamon? You also did the movie Ride Along. Ride Along. Mm-hmm. Nah. Did I?

It's in your Googles. Ride Along? Yeah. We did a movie called Ride Along? Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. Ride Along with... No, that's a docu-series with Homeboy from

The Evil Dead. Oh, wow. He does the, I ride motorcycles. I ride Harleys. You look like you ride motorcycles. Yeah. No disrespect.

Would it be disrespect? I'm just saying. Why is there disrespect, bro? I can just look at you and say you own a motorcycle. I'm just saying. I'm not the only person that feels like that, right? You just look at you and say you own a motorcycle I'm just saying I'm not the only person that feels like that

you can look at him and say yo he owns a Harley I'm gonna be honest thank you it's funny yeah so what's his name

I feel I'm terrible terrible with names even celebrities it's horrible y'all know who the dude is the head guy from Evil Dead what's his name? I feel, I'm terrible, terrible with names. Even celebrities, it's horrible. Y'all know who the dude is. The head guy from, from Evil Dead.

The show. You're supposed to be Googling, Haz. Yeah, man. You looking at him like, he got people to come over to his. Anyway, so,

I did do that series with him. There was me and, me, him, and Marilyn Manson. Wow. On, during that, during that, so I just take him around. I took it was me and me, him and Marilyn Manson on during that, during that.

So I just take him around. I took him around Nashville on the Harley and showed him the city and, you know, did the thing. But the first and only movie

I've done officially is Peanut Butter Falcon. Yeah, I was getting to that, but go ahead. You skipped my interview. Go ahead. I got it right here. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Talk about it. 2019. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, it's the only film that I've done officially. Right. Go ahead. I got it right here. Go ahead. Peanut Butter Falcon. Go ahead. Talk about it. 2019. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, it's the only film that I've done officially. Right. For real. Okay.

I've been in a series here and there. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, so Peanut Butter Falcon. Shot in Savannah, Georgia. Story about this kid with Down syndrome who escapes. Wow. He escaped a retirement home. People don't know this is a real law in America.

If a child with Down syndrome doesn't have a family to take care of them, they put them in a retirement home. That's crazy. Damn, I didn't know that. That's true. That's a real thing. A kid. In a retirement home.

A kid. Wow. And they put them under government custody at a retirement home. That's wild. Okay. So the director, Tyler, became best friends with this kid, Zach, in real life. Okay. And wrote this story about him.

So this kid escapes a retirement home and he sets out to become a professional wrestler. And there's this wrestler in the film, Saltwater Redneck. Thank you. Let's go. We got to get this shit going, bro. Drink champs. Let's go. I'm waiting on you. Waiting Thank you. Let's go. We got to get this shit going, bro. Drink champs.

Let's go. I'm waiting on you. I'm waiting on you. Cheers. Let's do a shot, though. I'm in. Let's go. We can start a quick time early. You want to do that one? They make this in a tub in Kendall. You don't want none of that.

Don't drink that. Before we get to that, did you hear Glowilla? Yeah, Glow? You heard that record? Yeah, Glow. Does it remind you of your record? Don't you got a record?

Oh, with Boo? With Gangsta Boo, yeah. Rest in peace, Gangsta Boo. I can't lie. I got something for you guys, by the way. Okay. Lola was my sister, dude. Gangsta Boo. And she was such a great person. Yes. Rest in peace, Gangsta Boots. I can't lie. I got something for you guys, by the way. Okay. Lola was my sister, dude. Gangsta Boots.

And she's such a great person. Yes. Rest in peace. Also was on Drink Champs. Listen, I got you. Okay. Yeah, so Lola and I were so cool, and Paul. But Lola, we were so tight.

She talked to my mom once a week. Wow. That type of shit. We were family, family. Wow. Yeah, that shit. We were family, family. Wow. Yeah, that was my girl, man. And I remember one of my first shows. No, actually, my very first real gangster rap show was 3 6 Mafia and Mystical at the Atrium in 1997.

Yeah. In Atlanta, Georgia. And years later, I would meet Boo boo and i don't remember i think it might have been south by southwest that's where i met her actually really yeah well booth we became fast friends and uh ended up doing this song uh m&m we'll throw it up yeah i put it on the record with marshall all right which fucked everybody up by the way that was a weird combination but it didn't get combination, but it worked. People didn't get it. It worked.

We were ahead of the time with that shit. We caught a real pocket during that project that now is like, it is the pocket. It's everybody's pocket. But rest in peace, Lola. And listen,

I brought this. My homeboy, John Newport. F'n. I believe you know him. John Newport? He must smoke Newports. Yeah, he was. He gave me this. Lola wore this at the drink. Oh, shit!

Holy shit! This was Lola's drink champ rag. It was gifted to me as a good omen for the show. Oh, shit! So Lola's drink champ rag. Oh, man. It was gifted to me as a good omen for the show. Oh, shit. So Lola's here. She's awesome. She's awesome.

And I want you to check that record out because it almost sounds identical to the two records. And I think that Glorilla was trying to big you up, though. I think that's what that record is, but she just put it to her name though. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So check it out though, because it sounds very, very, very similar.

All right, we're going to do the Great Thomas Live. Let's do Flowers. Flowers? Well, let's go. Let's go. You know, our show is about giving people their flowers while they're here. You know, so many people want to give people when they gone.

We wanted to give you face to face, man to man, tell you how great you are. Hey! Snoop Dogg said, Snoop Dogg said, it's better than a Grammy. So you know we want to give you face to face man to man Tell you how great you are Snoop Dogg said it's better than a Grammy So you know we want to give you But if you're not going to do a quick time Let's do a shot though at least No we do a quick time

They're not ready? This is amazing man When we make up these games It's the Dominican and the Colombian right here Who comes up with these questions So if they're horrible questions Just yell at them It's the Dominican and the Colombian right here who comes up with these questions. So if they're horrible questions, just yell at them. It's okay. It's okay.

They're used to it. All right. Yes. Are we taking a shot? Yeah, we're definitely taking a shot. Oh, because they're not ready yet? Okay, cool. I thought we was ready.

Okay. Look, I'm going peach, baby. All right. You know what? I got the first question. What up? What, for a quick time? You got it?

Yes, yes. I got the first question. What up? What, for a quick time? You got it? Yes, yes. I got the first question. Let's go. And this... I'm so curious how you're going to answer this one. All right. Independent or major?

Independent. I was wrong. How would you have thought anything else? Because I heard you... Wait up, wait up, wait up. Oh, okay. Huh?

All right, man. Yeah, that's the EFN job. What? To give him the rules. I'll tell you why. You want to know why? Salud. Independent.

Salud. Salud. Cheers. Cheers, guys. Salud. Cheers, fam. Cheers. Y'all feel free to take shots.

Find a shot glass, get a bottle. That's the OG drink champ shot glass. Which one, mine? Yeah. That's the OG drink champ shot glass Which one? Mine? Yeah That's the original? Yeah No? Yeah

It was already sent? Alright cool So I'll tell you why I'll tell you why independent Have y'all seen Y'all seen Wayne's World? Yeah of course

Seen Wayne's World Everybody's seen Wayne's World Everybody's seen Wayne's World Alright You know that scene You know they got this crazy underground show It It's doing great. Everybody loves it. Everybody respects it. They sign to this big major and then they show up to the studio and it's all commercialized. And they're looking at each other like, what the fuck? They changed their jingle. They changed everything. That's me in a nutshell when I signed to Interscope from in the beginning because you signed to Interscope direct right first yeah it was Interscope with Jimmy yeah it was Geffen Geffen wow Geffen Interscope wow and uh you know I would this was right off of Trump Music when

Pop the Trunk was like blowing the fuck up Trump Music was was blowing the fuck up. And I was out there just like destroying South by Southwest. Still no major record label deal, you know. And they flew me from. Interskull. Interskull. Jimmy flew me from literally from the stage to the airport to his living room. Nice floss. Well, I had turned down multiple deals before that personally no not going

you know what i mean like for real like i had a real moment with la reed wow you know that was real serious i could i'll tell you about that but um but the let me get to the point of why it's important to be independent if you can maintain it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got time. The thing is, hindsight's 20-20. Right. You know what I mean?

But the amount of control that you have as an artist, as an independent, you can't put a price on that creatively. That's it. And I know everybody trips out about money, money, money, money, money, you know, business, marketing, marketing, marketing. None of that means shit if you ain't got good music. And if you can't close the doors to everything else and get in a fucking studio and make a jam, you're running circles.

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Everybody wants a piece of this, that. When I got signed and then moved over to Shady, are you kidding me? When they heard Eminem sign a white boy, people went crazy. Everybody wanted a piece of that motherfucker. A lot of pressure on you? A lot of pressure to listen. Right. Because I signed up.

Yeah. See? You know what I'm saying? That's the difference between being independent. Right. I ain't going to answer to nobody now. You know what I mean? I paid my dues. I did all my six albums. I fulfilled my contract with the major label system.

I was so happy when I had the opportunity to go independent. And now, you know, I release music when the fuck I want to. I make the music I want to. I make my art how I want to make my art. Visually, you know, everything. You know, I ain't got to wait. Here's the other part. You got a record that's ready to come out, right?

It's all primed up. It's mixed, mastered. The whole rollout's ready. And then they're like, yeah, but see, but Kendrick's dropping his album, so you got to wait. You know what I mean?

What? Being on Interscope was like being on the Yankees. So it's perks. I mean, not for every artist. Remember, not everybody gets that treatment. I mean, but every artist gets to play if you're on the Yankees. Like, if you get that one album on Interscope, that's a blessing, bro. That was like, that label could not lose, man.

Well, that's because Jimmy's an artist. Jimmy Iovine, yes. Jimmy's an artist at heart, you know what I mean? Like, this dude was a mixing engineer for Fleetwood Mac, you know what I mean? Right. Like, he knows his shit. No, he's a legend in his own right. Yeah.

Right. So, like, that just goes a long way. But back to what you were saying, Ice Cube said something where he went talking about, like, the majors in a conversation. He said it's music by committee. Yeah. Because that's what you're saying. There's too many people in the room, he said it's music by committee. Because that's what you're saying. There's too many people in the room, too many people in the studio.

I mean, when you're chasing a fucking hit, you're already fucking up. If you walk into a studio and you're like, I'm making a hit today, bro, you've already fucked up. You might as well go back home, go get some rest, watch a movie, get your mind out of that fucking space, man. Like the guy who says, I'm making the club record. I'm making this kind of record. I'm making this kind of record. Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about? Let's make a classic.

Let's make that. Make some good music. Make a classic. And if it's a hit, God bless you. Right. You know what I'm saying? Great. You know, I do know this. Once you do catch a hit, quote quote unquote the next records are more palatable to

people you know and that's why i don't know what that word means like it's like easier for them that's a big word for me to like it it's easier for them to like it they're used to the taste okay okay okay right so they're used to hearing your voice so like it that's why you have like these repeated hits from these artists because the public gets so used to their voice right and that hit gets easier like being programmed by radio yeah basically we just had insane clown posse on here oh that's what's up oh god i got the craziest stories about the about the gathering are you kidding me you've been to the gathering dog i've been there do i do the gathering? Dog. I've been there twice. Do I do the gathering? Shit. Shit.

What? He went whoop, whoop. Yeah, whoop, whoop. Let's go. I'm taking another shot for that. Come on. Shit. Salute.

Salute. I've done three of them motherfuckers, and let me tell you something. Those shits are something else, man. I've actually never been. I'm telling you, you should go. I think everybody should go once. I didn't invite you to be once. Salute. Because that is a whole different world, and it's worth witnessing at least once. And you always tell me to go there. And I've never been. I'm telling you, you should go. I think everybody should go once. Tech Nite invited me once. Because that is a whole different world.

And you always tell me to go there. It's worth witnessing at least once. I don't want to go as Nori, though. I want to go, like, as a hoodie. And they're true-to-life fans. I mean, there's wild people in the Juggalo community. You know, that's why I don't go to South by Southwest. It's because I like my sneakers.

Ooh. Like, I've never left... I got to hear this peach. Okay, the peach? I got to hear this peach. I'm going to hear... You know, because I'm black. You know, we like to stick with what we know.

Like, the same exact thing. So, you know what I'm saying? I'm just sorry. I'm sorry, man. So, I'm scared of that shit. I'm going to be honest with you. What? I'm going to drink that off camera

because just in case... No, I'll take a shot later on. I'll take a shot later. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Well, yes. Thank you. This is beautiful.

You're going to love this. Let me try. Let me try. Let me try. Go ahead. Let me try. Take one for the team, goddammit. Relax.

Dude, I'm telling you, it's great. It's great. Yeah, he's drinking four liquors right now. He's on vodka. Smells good. Look at him. He's on vodka. Mama wants it. Usually the beer. The fruity stuff can fuck with you, it's great. It's great. Yeah, he's drinking four liquors right now. He's on vodka. Smells good. Look at him. He's on vodka. Mama wants it.

But usually the beer, the fruity stuff can fuck with you, though. Yeah. It's the most drinkable whiskey that we make, bro. It's very good. I'm telling you. Oh, it's good. Yeah. It's good.

You got me best to say that. No, no, no, no. It really is good. I can smell it. I can smell it. I can smell it all over here. So, all right. Where was I?

All right, cool. We were talking about the Juggalo. The Juggalo. Yeah, let's go to the Juggalo. You want to talk about my was that? All right, cool. We were talking about the Juggalo. The Juggalo. Yeah, let's go to the Juggalo. You want to talk about my experience? Yeah, I would love to hear your experience at the Juggalo. We're capping off on the major independent thing. We're moving to the Juggalo.

Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. All right. Okay. Listen, dude. Okay.

I love being called dude. Call me dude all night. Please. I want to be like in the cool frat. And people call me dude i like that i've been called a nigga my whole life it's just different you know so dude is cool like i like being called dude all right uh yeah all right we taking another shot for that yeah it, let's take another shot. We not getting through this fucking story, bro. For dude, man. A dude is like that.

Now you got dude, you want to just drink shots, dude. Yeah, dude. Come on, dude. Yes, dude. Salud. Yes, dude. Salud. Salud.

Shit, shit, shit. Get it. Now, it's called the Juggalos? What's it called? Well, the gathering of the Juggalos is the festival. Okay. And they are the Juggalos. The Juggalos is the community, yeah. Oh, the fans.

Oh, okay, okay. So yeah, your experience. So my first trip to the Juggalo Fest, I drove my truck from Nashville because it was pretty close to where they do it at their festival at. So I pulled up backstage in my pickup truck, you know?

But I had already gotten, like, I talked to Paul, and he was like, hey, man, get ready, man. Like, you know? But I had already gotten, like, I talked to Paul, and he was like, hey, man, get ready, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's like, back your truck in to behind the stage in case you got to get the fuck out. Like, it's like that. And I was like, all right, bet.

And I did. So I drove my truck, and I backed my truck up to the stairs where you walk up right like my i could have jumped in my truck and got the fuck out if i needed to all right um i you know and okay okay this is another caveat i'm on shady right and you know the beat they got oh my god i'm so in for the story good so ahead. So I came up there like literal soldier mentality. I came out there to rep Shady. Wow.

I was going hard, and I wanted them to know immediately who I was with. Had you met ACP before that? Had you met Insane Clown Posse before that or no? Yeah. I mean, yeah, we met backstage briefly. Okay. But that moment, not before that event. Okay.

No, not met backstage briefly. Okay. But that moment, not before that event. Okay. No, not before. Yeah. So I walk out on stage, first, you know, first time ever. Shady Records, motherfucker. You're the wolf, catfish, Billy, let's fuck this shit up. And then, phew, bottle rockets. Phew. They started throwing bottle rockets at me.

But they throw shit at you if they like you. That's a big thing for the Tungsten Week. Hold on. They had bottle rockets? They started throwing bottle rockets at me. But they throw shit at you if they like you. That's a big thing for the Tuxedo. Hold on. They have bottle rockets? No, they take the soda, the Faygo, and they launch that shit.

No, I know they do it, but at first, you got to understand, I hadn't even hit play on the first song. So I'm not all too sure that they liked me yet. All I knew was, I looked at DJ Clever, my DJ, and he goes, you motherfucker.

Because I came in hot. But we won them over one song, two songs. But then they started, like you're saying, family, family, right? More bottle rockets. More bottle rockets More bottle rockets And then I said I bet you can't hit me Motherfucker

And so I'm I'm dodging bottle rockets I turn around And my DJ He's fucking ducking And somebody throws A whole box Of black cats

On stage Oh shit Yeah what's black Firecrackers right Yeah the firecrackers Oh Black cat firecrackers Are like a whole pack, like a 200 pack. Whoa.

Those shits sound like a machine gun. Look, serendipitous. Serendipitous timing, man. They threw it up and I was just about, I got a song called Catfish Billy. Uh-huh. And it's real choppy. You know, like, so I'm like, right as needless to say, I didn't need to jump

in my trunk and take off. Actually, after I got off stage, I went out in the crowd and walked around and fucking shook hands and like broed down with everybody.

Right. And then, like, I think I became like a crowd fave. They brought me back for a second year, but they started

throwing more shit. The next year, they threw mortars. They loved you even more. They loved you. They threw mortars. Oh, shit. Mortars, bro next year, they threw mortars. They loved you even more. They loved you. They threw mortars. Oh, shit. Mortars, bro.

Wait, what's mortars? Mortars is a real mortar. Mortars is a fucking bomb, but I don't know what kind of mortar this is. No, a bomb, dog. It's that shit you put in a big PVC pipe, and it goes up like the shit that they shoot up at Vegas. It's a launchable grenade. Like Las Vegas. Yo, I'm not going to this place. Yo, I'm not going to this place, yo.

Yo, I'm not going at all. Yo, we got a drink chance now. I ain't doing that shit. I'm walking the fuck out. Yeah, so, so, like,

and then a bottle rocket, like, thank God I had on shades, bro. Whoa. But, like, bow, right in the head, and it popped,

popped as I'm performing. But, fuck, man, they, I would just, if it was still lit, the head and it popped. Popped as I'm performing. But fuck, man. I would just, if it was still lit, I'd throw it back. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was just in it. I was like, you're not getting there. I'm not leaving, motherfucker. I'm here.

You ain't right. Because I had heard. They had heard people. People had fucked people up. And they're fucking each other up happily. And they're painting the artists, too. They get fucked up. And some of these people launching this shit are butt naked.

Wait a minute. I am definitely not going there. Yo, you see butt naked people walking around. No, no, no. So, yeah. So, survive the mortars and shit. So, that's the second time. That's the second time. That's the second time.

Third time. Third time is the craziest. Okay. The craziest, dog. The third time. Okay, so now I'm back. And I know because I know from the second time it got crazier than the first time that the third time it might really go ballistic. You know, I was like, do I need to walk out there in a hazmat

suit or some shit like this is what i'm like how am i gonna how am i gonna do this one you know i got an hour and fucking 15 minutes to stand out here and and and figure this out dude i walked out on stage when i walk out here my walking out song, I feel like bee stings all over my body. Like, I'm just getting. Bee stings? Like bees? It feels like bees are stinging me. But I'm trying to play it off, but I swore to God that there was a swarm of bees hitting me.

But I kept rocking. And then I moved to the left and it stopped a little bit. And I was like, oh, they're hitting me with something. But I thought they were like tiny rocks or some shit. And then it was like. Dump stacks? No, no, no. Chicken wings and goddamn.

Somebody was throwing chicken wings over there. Hot dogs. I was getting hit with all kinds of shit anything goes yo like fucking like oh and by the way

all that's going on fucking two liter Faygo bottle throwing up you know what I'm saying I'm catching bottles you know what it's like it's Mad Max shit

it's Mad Max music festival so straight up though so the whole, I'm getting pelted. So I start to figure out, I got to run to get away from these bees. Like, whatever the fuck is happening, I got to get, but the show must go on. One thing I do know, I can't leave. I can't leave the show. Bro.

So after the show, that shit was so fucked up it was it was the rowdy oh i'm staring so finally i jump out my my dj got he he performs on top of like the front of an old chevrolet it's ill as fuck y'all would love this shit it's a crazy look yeah so i jump on the hood of the chevy and i'm standing you know for like you know the peak of one of my records and it's a fucking like a huge water balloon full of god knows what hits me and you know why because i stood still just long enough for the motherfuckers to get an aim on me so anyway bees bees bees so after the after the show i'm like yo man what the fuck was it will be what's happening no they were just throwing so much shit at him. No. No. It was actual bees? No.

Actual bees. Listen to this shit. I'm ready. Listen to this shit. There was about 10 people with those high-powered air rifles shooting plastic pellets at me. My God. I'm never going, bro. Lighting my ass up the whole show.

I'm not getting fucking fucked, man. I'm pelted up. I'm fucking, hey, whoop, whoop. And you stood there like a rock star. Man, fuck yeah. God damn it. Let's make some noise for that. I done gave the money back.

Here, take your shit back. I don't give a shit. Nah, man. I love the Juggalos, man. You know what it is, really? Honestly, it's like, you ever seen that old footage of the Blues Brothers where they're traveling around and you perform behind a chicken wire and if they like you, they'll throw bottles at you and shit.

You know what I mean? It's that same kind of shit as that old fucking- Yeah, I don't like that. Rowdy, appreciate it. I mean, it's not- It's a tough thing. It is. I mean, just like,

you know what you sign up for, man. It's the fucking... It's the chug of love. In Jamaica, if they like you, they shoot in the air. I didn't like that neither. The police,

I get on the stage, the police said, hey, man, if they start looking shot, you're not move. The police, nigga? Like, what the fuck is this? And I got there,

I did super tough. What, what, what? And they start shooting. I'm looking at the police like, do something. The year that I went one of these I went two times Juggernauts. Juggernauts. Juggernauts. Juggernauts. I'm sorry. Ric Flair was hosting the main stage. Did they throw shit at Ric Flair? We were about to go on with Tech, and I was managing Mayday, and I see Ric Flair run off stage. He's like, man, fuck that shit. Ric Flair got Rolexes on, his hands permed. You know he been through it all.

He trying to get hot dogs thrown at him. He was like, fuck that shit, man heard i heard uh they uh they ran that don't quote me on this but i mean fucking quote me on it i don't care but i heard uh they uh they did that shit to uh uh red mf like yeah they and then they wasn't having it they they they they left yeah they were 86 they they dipped and um i mean you know it you know, it is what it is. I'm just like, look, dude, you can't be a white boy from Alabama covered in tattoos and fucking like doing hip hop and fucking like, you know, you got to fucking represent.

You know what I mean? We need you. I got you, dude. We need you. We need you. We need you, dude. I got you, dude. I do. That dude. We need you. We need you. We need you, dude. I got you, dude. I do.

Y'all do this wild. But, you know, you get what, you know, you know what you signed up for, man. But, yeah, man. If you don't know going into it, that could surprise the fuck out of you. The shit that goes on, like, shit that, dude. Damn Strange Music, damn Ritz, dude. Yeah. You know that, you know that happened, you know how that happened with Ritz, dude. Yeah. You know that happened? You know how that happened

with Ritz and Strange? Me, dude. What? Well, he's still your artist? No, no, no. I found Ritz in Atlanta, Georgia and he was from Gwinnett County

and I saw him randomly at some open mic and I was just like, the fuck? This dude is sick with it. And I put him on the original, the Bach Chevy Part II on the original Trump music. Didn't sign him. Didn't have the imprint at the time, which I do now, it's American.

Did not have that at the time. And at the time, which I do now. It's American. Did not have that at the time. Right. And at the time, this was the crew at Treesound Studios. That's in Atlanta. Ritz, Big Crit. Whoa. Myself. Whoa.

And even Killer Mike and LP were running around. This is like the very, very early, early stages of what would become Run the Jewels. So we had like a crazy crew around there and Tech was coming around. And Tech had put me on Worldwide Choppers. And I said, dude, I got your guy, man. I got the guy for you. I said, this dude needs to be, he's strange, man, for sure. He fits every, he checks all the boxes for what y'all got going on, and I can't sign him.

And so there it was. So Ritz signed to Strange Music, and, you know, the rest is history. Yeah, he's dope. He's worked with Mayday. Actually, being that we're on the Strange Music tip, I saw an interview you did. I got a big, okay, sorry. No, no, I saw an interview you did with bootleg kev and um i was managing like i mentioned the group mayday

they produced the song fragile for tech that had kendrick oh can i take let's go and i know you said i'm but i want to hear it because we were all like damn that would have been dope if you would have gone on the record let's take another shot before i just like your energy let's take another one. What are we doing? Take a shot with him. You got shots still? Where's my bottle go?

They trying to put one of those little things in it. Those little candies that you brought. They trying to put those candies you brought. You got to leave my babies over here with me. No, she'll pour the shots for you. That's the reason why. Yeah, but then he going to think candy's going to go. No, but I'm saying, you saying, I just need my shit.

Just bring me the cups. Salute. You know what I'm saying? I got me. All right. Cheers. You know what? Cheers and what the fuck is this?

Okay. Don't take it. I ain't going to take the shit. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute.

Drink champs. Mm-hmm. So you know what we're talking about the song. So Mayday produced this record for Tech N9ne that featured Kendrick. It's called Fragile. It became a huge record. Yeah, yeah. And it was rumored that you were supposed to be on it. Well, that's a fact.

So Tech hit me. Man, the Tech hit me. And he said, I got this record called Fragile. And I listened to the beat. I booked a studio in Nashville, True Story, at Blackbird Studios, Studio H. I know exactly where I was at, Nashville, Tennessee. I had booked a whole time to go dedicate myself to record this verse. And I couldn't wrap my mind around feeling fragile. I just could not make myself.

You can't bring yourself to that record at that moment. I couldn't bring myself to write a verse I couldn't make it make sense to me Right. To to talk about feeling fragile

or being fragile about my music which I am maybe you know what I'm saying but at the same time fuck you.

You know what I mean? Like there's that there was that part like you don't like my shit I mean I don't give a fuck you know what i'm saying but at the same time you you know what i mean like there's that there was that part like you don't like my i mean i don't give a you know like it right but then at the same time you know someone's talk about your record you're like damn you don't like me dog you know what i mean exactly but at the time i was just like in this very like militant mode. I had just recorded. Like I was just out of Love Story, moving into this other phase.

And I didn't record it. And I was like, man, I just don't got it, man. I don't know what's happening, Tech. I just don't have anything for this. And then Kendrick. And the next thing I fucking know know they're on Saturday Night Live performing that motherfucking record and I was like

fuck what an idiot but shout out Kendrick and Tech man they've always showed me love my entire career I remember doing shows with Kendrick at like little college shows in Atlanta, Georgia.

You know what I mean? And watching both of them just explode. And I've had some classic moments, man. And matter of fact, this is a big shout out to Kendrick Lamar. I was in Hollywood on Sunset Boulevard on the sidewalk just standing outside smoking a cigarette, having a drink. And there was this fucking parade coming down Sunset. There was a big stage

on wheels, right? And then I was like, oh, fuck. Kendrick's doing a moving show? And then behind him were a bunch of people running, like chasing the stage. Do you remember that? It was like an that yeah yeah yeah yeah dog he rides by in the middle of his set and looks left and

what up like like shouted me out like in the middle of his verse wow that's a moment yeah and like i was like yo it was like a moment i was like it was just the i moment. It was so much respect. You know what I mean? I'll never ever forget that, man. He did not have to do that. It was just like, it hit him. You know what I mean? In the middle of his set, like, what?

I was not there to watch, bro. I had walked outside the hotel just smoking a cigarette, like next to Rainbow Room or some shit you know there's a genuine moment genuine shout out Kendrick and shout outs and shout out um tech nine for always showing love and support and man I'm genuinely upset at myself I didn't get on that record aren't officially I'm saying I fucked up. There's another record that I fucked up and didn't get on. Let's talk about it.

Run the Jewels. What? Which record? I had an opportunity to get on the Run the Jewels record and I was in the middle of the recording

of Chunk Music. I was starting to feel it. You wanted to let it show? Can you tell? He said he started to feel it. I was like, dude. We're in. I can't believe you can't smoke shot? Can you tell him? He's just sort of feeling, what's up, dude? We're in.

I can't believe you can't smoke cigarettes in here. It's some bullshit. Yeah. But you can take a break at one moment if you need to. I'm all constantly with you. No, it's all good. It's all right.

Look at him. He's a cigarette smoker. He over there agreeing with you. Cigarettes and good drink, good conversation. Hey. But we got good whiskey. We got good whiskey we got good whiskey we got creek water

I had an opportunity to do a record with Killer in the LP and I've been an LP fan since Death Jucks I've been on LP you know what I mean and you know this whole white MC shit I've always thought was really corny you know what whole white MC shit

I've always thought was really corny you know what I mean like are you a good MC or not like oh he's a good white boy like fuck out of here

dog I'm better than you period that's right you know like and you know but I will say as a young

artist you know being a white boy looking at other artists above me that were white you know LP was a white boy, looking at other artists above me that were white, you know, LP was like my top, top, top. Right. Company flow?

Company flow, yeah. Like Def Jux. Like, you know, like I was like, this is how it's done. You know? Right. You just slide in there. You don't say shit. You know, you don't mention who you are.

You know, none of that. You know, other people put those labels on you. You know what I mean? Right, right. You know what I'm saying? It's like, all right, white boy, cool. All right, well, I'm going to run with that then. Oh, redneck, oh, you white boy, redneck.

Okay, call me. All right, it is what it is. I see the black person call himself a redneck. But I don't know where I'm going with this, but I fucking fuck it. Fuck it. Let's do it. Fuck it, dude. You know one thing before we get into

Quick Time with Slime. Something that I admire about you is your relationships, right? I look at you, you work with Kid Rock. I'm just going to hold this. Yeah, you're imagining.

Kid Rock. I'm just going to hold it. He said imagine. Just imagine. I've done that before. So you got Kid Rock, Kid Rock who kind of like has beef with Ins I've done that before. So you got Kid Rock, Kid Rock who kind of like has beef with

Insane Clown Posse, but you're cool with Insane Clown Posse and Kid Rock. And then you got Machine Gun Kelly, you got Eminem. Bob. How do you kind of like

maintain those relationships because like artists are petty people. Very petty people. And if you taking a picture with somebody, the next person would... How do you maintain these kind of relationships? Honestly,

I genuinely love my friends. That's right. If you're my boy, you're my boy for life. That's it. I don't give a fuck about your fame. I don't give a fuck about your fame. I don't give a fuck about your money. I don't care none about that. You know?

Like, at all. Actually, that's the most annoying part about it all. It's what we sign up for. But, you know, a genuine hang, man. That's what it's about. I mean, I know we're filming right now and everything. But this is a genuine hang to me. We're kicking it.

All right, all right. Talk and shop. That's it. And that's all you really want. So when you make that connection with somebody, you know, you keep it. I've had friends, shit, man, my whole life, man. My manager I've known since I was 12 years old. Aunt Zilla.

AM7 crew represent Zilla. You know what I'm saying? AM7. Mm-hmm. Graffiti crew. Shout out Willpower. You guys been rocking. Yeah, shout out Willpower.

Been rocking with Willpower for over 20 years. I drove him crazy when I was coming up. God damn. No? We got history. This is a blunt. Man. This is old school.

He put that little candy in the blunt. Please don't say that. So it's a bleep. It's a bleep. I'll light it for you. You know, I just did Dr. Green Thumb with Be Real. Be Real. That's my boy.

That's awesome. Yeah, dude, I got a record. I have an album. This is a slept on album, so I'm happy that I have this platform to even mention it. Okay. DJ Muggs and I did a record called Mile Zero. Okay. And it's all lo-fi hip hop album.

All produced by Muggs? All Muggs. Wow. There's not even any hooks on this album. It's all MC shit. Wow. It's all MC shit. And it just kind of slipped.

We don't know. What year did this come out? What was it uh august we did we did this thing called august onslaught and i dropped four albums in one month and huh it was 20 2021 okay 2021 mile zero but um i i got a song with uh with be real on there that's incredible but i i did crazy collabs i got a song with dell Real on there that's incredible. I did crazy collabs. I got a song with Del the Funky Homo Sapien. Big up to Del the Funky Homo Sapien.

Yeah, Del the Funky Homo Sapien and DJ Paul on a record together. Oh, that must sound crazy. I can't even imagine that. The album's called Miles Zeroes. Check it out, man. Yeah. Shout out Muggs, man. Muggs, yeah.

Shout out Muggs. Nah, literally. I'm going to like this in honor of you, bro. I do not smoke. My mama smokes like a chimney. It's okay. It's okay. Act like it's a cigarette.

It's okay. But listen, literally. I'm going to light it for you. I looked at everybody that you guys, that you walked in with, and everybody is tatted the fuck up. Can I not be down with y'all gang? You don't got no tattoos? I don't got not one tattoo. Or earrings.

What? Or earrings. I'm looking at you. You're naked. I didn't even think about him not having tattoos. You don't have no tattoos? Nah, I don't have no tattoos. You just got tattoos somewhere.

My wife is mad tatted. I don't think I have no tattoos. No, go ahead. Keep it going. I come home. Oh, yeah, this is for me? Mm-mm. You want me to smoke this shit?

Yeah, why not? Yeah, you're in fucking mind. I can't smoke this. You don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. I can take it. It tastes great. You want me to smoke this shit Yeah why not Get out of your fucking mind I can't smoke this You don't have to You don't have to You don't have to I can take it It tastes great You want one

I don't want You want to say anybody Yeah He does heroin Here come get it Somebody smoke this shit It can't go to waste No fucking way

I'll go crazy Catch a 5150 You know I caught a 5150 Smoking weed I gotta ask what a 5150. You know I caught a 5150 smoking weed. I got to ask what a 5150 is. What is that? Endangerment to sell for other people. It's like a police call.

It's a number. Wow. Yeah, man. We don't want a 5150. Nah, you don't want that. You don't want to see me on that. Before we get to Quick Time with Slime, can I ask you something that I've been wanting to always ask?

Yeah, ask me anything. Someone that says dude? Yeah, someone that says dude, like, because I wanted to be a dude. What up, dude? How do you start a marsh pit? A marsh pit or a marsh pit? You said marsh. They say marsh.

You know, like, that shit's so cool to me, but how does it start? Nori, it's Marsh Pit from here on out. Marsh Pit? Okay, nothing here on out. It's Marsh Pit. Yo, you come to my show, I'm going to put you in there Marsh Pit. That goes perfectly with Catfish Billy, though. You know what I'm saying?

The Catfish Billy Marsh Pit. I would like to go to, what is it, Marsh Pit or Marsh Pit? It's Marsh. It's Marsh. Okay. But Marsh Pit sounds ill, though. It does sound like some Dirty South shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. belly Marsh pit I would like to go to it was it more spill my mom okay I'm very serious right now like cuz I see like how I'm like you're white I always want to do that shit I guarantee someone's in a mosh pit to Super Thug for sure at one of your shows.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. That's not fair. They didn't invite me. They didn't invite you. You got to jump in, bro. Okay, so you at the show. You at the show. You jump in.

How do you start? Well, I tell you, my history of mosh pits, my first mosh pit I was ever in was Redman at Lollapalooza. I was 13 years old. I snuck into Lollapalooza in Tennessee. And Redman

had a side stage at that point. Beastie Boys was on main stage. I think maybe Nirvana. Your childhood was good you had a great fucking childhood

yeah sure you're basing that on me being in a mosh pit at a fucking Redman concert at 13? Your childhood was good. What's the good stuff, man? I told you. Meanwhile, four-core Kobe, like, rest in peace, bro.

He was not agreeing. I'm not that serious, man. What fucking reference is that? I agree with you. I'm not that serious. I snuck into the show at 13 and got in a mosh pit at Redman. Your childhood was great. A failure.

Yes, I mean that too. Well. All right. Continue, continue. So you're in the mosh pit. Y'all didn't know I was saying it wrong. No, it sounds dope. So anyway, I had like a early experience

of mosh pits and shit at a hip-hop show okay you know and that's a dope you know it's like rowdy shit you know i was that i was that's what it was man i was you know fucking that's what it was that was the fun part you know you fuck shit up you go to go to the shows fuck shit up when i was at that show in 1997 1997 at the Atrium with 3-6 and Mystical, I mosh pit there, too. Wow. You fuck shit up. Yeah, those shows. You know, like, that's the best part.

It's like, this is your favorite group. You're seeing them live. Let's get stupid. Yeah, let's just punch each other. You right. 3-6 Mafia was, like, because I remember. Still is. Yo, yeah, still is.

Yes. Because I was dead. What was that first record that came up with Tear the Club Up? That was the first one. I mean, the first national. That was one of their first big records, yeah. Yeah, okay. But they had been doing massive.

Yeah, but they didn't get to New York yet. They had done a lot of shit before that. Tear the Club Up, are you sure? Before that record? They had a lot of street shit. Oh, on the streets. You know what I'm saying? That was their first big record.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. I didn't. In New York, when that shit came, people were literally tearing the club up. So I could, yeah, yeah. Tearing the club up. Yeah, dude. So, yeah, they embodied the culture of what was happening around that.

That's just what it was, you know? God, what a brilliant concept, man. Like the masters of evil, man. That shit is like some Robert Johnson shit, man. Three Six Mafia is, they're the greatest, bro. DJ Paul, I love you. He's the man. He's the man.

And mentor, mentor, you know? Like, again, still a big family. My mom got DJ Paul on her coffee table in a frame, you know what I mean? Like, Paul's family, dude. Like, man, that's my guy. One thing we established is your mother's a gangster. My mama is a gangster. She's a G.

We've established this in this interview. No, I'm joking. If we don't get anything, this is, your mama's a gangster. Sheila Mitchell's a gangster, bro. She's the most gangster person

I've ever met. Let's go. I think we gotta take a shot for mama. Mama G. Oh, God. We haven't even done Quick Time with Slime.

Yeah, we did more. Are we drinking more than Quick Time with Slime? But we wanna give you your flowers. We gotta give you your flowers. We did.

Yes, I know. That's what I'm saying. No, I'm talking about keep going. We gonna keep going. This whole interview will be giving you your flowers. got to give you your flowers We did Yes I know that's what I'm saying No I'm talking about Keep going We're going to keep going This whole interview We're giving you your flowers Cheers

Cheers Cheers Y'all ain't drinking over there Come on have a drink Oh yeah Alright hold on Now we're going to do quick You explain them

Alright This is a drinking game we play We're going to give you two choices You pick one I thought we were already playing You pick one of the two So it's like This versus this And you pick one Nobody drinks thought we were already playing. You pick one of the two. So it's like this versus this.

And you pick one. Nobody drinks. But if you say both or neither, we all drink. Got it. And then give us any stories. Not really, but. It goes with anything.

Yo, yo, you know, you'll figure it out. You're asking me questions, I answer. Yeah, there you go. Eminem or Machine Gun Kelly? What? You went all the way down.

How dare you? I told you who writes the questions. Those guys. Dude, that, nah. So you say both or neither? Listen, man. We would like to hear it. Here's the deal with that shit.

Marshall Mathers is my brother. Marshall Mathers co-signed me in a way I could never, ever, ever fucking repay him back for that. I love Marshall for the rest of my life, and I'm loyal to Shady and Marshall, period, point blank. Machine Gun Kelly is my dog. That's my friend, period, point blank. And I would never have put myself on a block to choose one or the other. I got love and respect for Marshall in a whole different way. I got a whole different relationship with Shady than I do MGK. MGK is my boy.

You know what I'm saying? We taking a shot. That's both. You're picking both? We're drinking for both. That's how it works. If you say one of them, we don't drink. I'm sorry. I went off the rails.

If you say one, we don't drink. I'm sorry. I went off the rails. If you say one, we don't drink. You say both or neither. I went off the rails. I went off the rails. I'm sorry. No, that was good. I'm learning. That was perfect.

That's a great answer, too, by the way. Now I need a fucking bar. Yeah, you can do small shots. Yeah, yeah. Do small shots. We're going to be going through them. And by the way, that was a great fucking answer, too. I liked it.

I liked it, Dad. Thank you. Okay, you ready? Yeah. 21 Savage or Kodak Black? Oh, both for sure. Geez, oh, we gonna be drinking. Fuck.

I see where we're going with this. We're gonna be drinking for sure, yeah. Keep pouring. Yeah, pour him the other shots. All right, cool. You ready? Mm. You gotta take a shot.

Oh, yeah. Stay with us. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Cheers. You can end the suffering, just pick one. Okay, yeah. Stay with us. Cheers, cheers, cheers. You can end the suffering. Just pick one. Okay. Yeah, I could.

All right. You got it? I like this one. Kendrick or Drake? Kendrick fucking Lamar. Oh, wow. I gave you a point blank. And can I say, most respect to Drake. Them boys ain't no level playing fields, bro.

Like, you cannot fuck. Like, Kendrick Lamar, bro, that's top, top, top tier MC shit. Like, are you kidding me? I heard about this shit that was happening, and I didn't even listen to not one single thing. Nothing. I still have not heard one record from either side. All I did was hear about it. And I was like,

what? Kendrick and Drake? Dog. Come on, man. This is not even interesting. Whatever. Kendrick Lamar. That was easy.

So let's take a shot no no no that's what you don't drink when you pick you picked you picked okay YG or Big Crit

ooh oh Big Crit that's my dog I gotta go with Big Crit only cause he's wasn't your old on the XXL cover together

I love Y huh wasn't your old on the XXL freshman cover YG YG wasn't on that cover with you

on the XXL well YG was youG wasn't on that cover with you? YG was. You're going back on me here. I got to go. Yeah, ADD over here. Just, you know, resources. And we got drunk facts. Yes, we got drunk facts.

Go ahead, go ahead. The point is, Big Crit, family. I love YG, but obviously Big Crit. You're sticking with the South. I respect you. Nah, I'm not sticking with the South. I'm sticking with my boys. Okay, good, good. You're trying to make South I respect you Nah I'm not sticking with the South I'm sticking with my boy Alright cool He's trying to make me regional over here

I'm global my boy Yes I got you I'm zapping to be from the South Next one rest in peace to both Mac Miller and Nipsey What do you It's your criteria Your criteria

What do you mean It could be One's your best friend One wasn't One made a good hamburger. I don't know. Whatever. One was a better MC.

Oh, dude, I fully went. Up to you. I went to another place. Okay. You went dark on us? No, no, no. You said rest in peace to both. Well, they both passed.

No, I know that. So where did you go wrong? I thought you were asking me to say rest in peace to which one. Yo, I don't even want to laugh. I was like, that's fucked up. Wait, wait, wait. We ain't that fucked up on Drake's channel. That's fucking foul.

Yo, he's a crazy motherfucker, man. Yo, yo, yo. I was like, hell no. Hell no, man. That's some wild ass shit to think. No, listen. Listen. When Mac Miller, Mac Miller became my little brother.

Mac Miller and I never even did records together. And we stayed in touch on the regular. We understood each other so much as artists that we knew that like doing songs together may not be the best for each other's career. We were just so different. Right. You know what I'm saying? But we also, he would hit me up, man, this shit's so dope. I hit him up, man, you knew this shit's crazy, man.

Love it. Became my little bro. When Mac Miller died, bro, listen, man. This is for real, for real. I took every fucking thing I owned out of my closet. All my clothes, all my shoes, all my pants, all my jewelry, all my hats. And I put them in front of, I had a store in Nashville at the time. This was before COVID.

Put it in the parking lot. And I said, anyone who pulls up can get an outfit for free today. And I re-upped my shit. Because I just felt like I needed to do something positive and let go of something. Mack was special, man. So that shit, I love Mack, dude. And our friendship, it was so much on the underground that it is so deeply personal. You know what I'm saying?

So when he passed, I was really hurt, dude. For real. And he's such a gift, man. Such a fucking gift. It seemed like he had a lot of those relationships, though. Yeah. A lot of people. Because he's that guy.

He's that kid. I cried. I heard he died. I cried. You cried? I was overseas. I was in Europe. Because, you know, he did an album with Pharrell called Pink Slime.

And, you know, I don't want to say I invented the word slime, but I brought the word slime to the rap game. And I felt like he was trying to tell me that was like his homage to me. And I never got to say that publicly. And I never got to see what I saw when I seen him publicly. I never like, just like, yo, as an OG, sometimes you want to talk to the youngins. You want to say, yo, you know what? Maybe you shouldn't be doing all that. You know what I mean?

And I didn't. Because I was just like, I felt like he had it under control. So when I was overseas, I remember I was driving from like Germany to Paris or Paris to Germany, either or. And I got the news and I just read it. And I just started to cry. And it seemed like a lot. You was with me, right, Diego? He was on the way to Amsterdam. Yep.

He was on the way to Amsterdam. And I was just like. That's crazy. You know, like, we must have been all like, you know, it's crazy. I don't know how we never met. It's funny. You meet people. It's like, how did we never meet?

But I know your soul, though. Like, rock the bells. Like, all the things that I've done. My dude. Yes, my dude. I became a dude today. Did you say you picked Mac Miller? One last thing about Mac.

Can I say one last thing about Mac? We got plenty of time. This is funny. This is actually funny. We did a show in Aspen, and Mac and I, we played the same stage, and we just happened to come to the same stage. We got booked by the same promoter or whatever. And Illmatic comes on. Nah, Illmatic comes on.

We're side stage. Mack runs to the stage and spits word for word, bar for bar, that whole record. And he was, dude, this dude's 10 years younger than I am. You know what I mean? And it was just like, I was blown away by that. So I talked to him backstage and, you know, we started diving into hip hop

and how it happened for him and all that shit. And he was really, really rising at the time, you know? And I was coming up, but not like he was. He was coming up on a different level. And we were flying back.

We were flying back. And I was still riding coach. And I was sitting in my coach seat and he walked he was walking up to first class and he was like yo my bad he was like my bad i'm going to first class like yeah fuck you son of a bitch why flying first class overseas You know how expensive it is To fly overseas First class

I do it just for the miles At the time At the time That was in fact Listen we flew coach To Russia together And that was terrible You gonna blow this up

Like that Blow it up The fuck You don't wanna wait You wanna We went texting It was okay It was already bad enough

Everything we endured In that trip But we flew coach They said Russians against racism. We was like, we might not belong here. Those were the promoters. Russians against racism. We're like, we're fucked.

I got the flying in coach trick. I got the flying in coach trick. You want a life hack? You want a life hack for all you coach flyers? Yeah, go ahead. All right, listen. Take a bag. Put a full-blown house pillow in your bag.

All right? If you got a bad check, check your bag. Check your bag, check your bag. You get a carry-on, right? Okay, yeah. Carry on a pillow. Put it in a bag, or if you want to carry it around like Winnie the Pooh or whatever you want to do. I put mine in my bag so I don't look like an idiot with a fucking pillow under my arm walking through the airport.

When you're flying, coach. Right. Window seat. Right? Window seat. Uh-huh. Lay that fucking full-size pillow against the window. Lean your seat back.

It becomes first class. First class. First class life. That's a life hack. Genius. That's a life hack. But listen, before- Did it for years.

Before we leave the- Not no more. The Mac Miller and Nipsey thing. First of all, shut up. Did you have a story about Nipsey? You ever met Nipsey? No, I don't have any stories. Oh, you never met him?

No stories? I don't have any stories personally about Nipsey. But they were both huge losses to the culture and meant so much. And what they represented generationally for what was to be in hip hop, I think we lost a lot when we lost those. Of course. Yeah. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck.

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No, you got to take the shot. It don't count. Oh, shit, my bad. I just cheered you. We on you. We on you. I just cheered you. You know why? You said both. Not us. You know you got to take the shot It don't count Oh shit my bad I just cheered you We on you We on you I just cheered you You know why You said both

Not us You know why Because the fans Will be online I'm like He didn't take that shot These are all You know what's interesting

These are all straight Hip hop references Do you have anything else Besides the hip hop No I told you Dominicans and Colombians Write this shit Oh okay

Yeah like What would you like us to serve You want us to serve up Something else else besides the country. I told you, Dominicans and Colombians write this shit. Oh, okay. What would you like us to serve up? You want us to serve up something else? Guys, get on it. No, no, no. It's fine. Ask me whatever. I'm good with whatever. I was just like... I'm just playing. Oh, shit. I like Jelly Roll. He follows me. I follow him.

Jelly Roll or who? Lady Gaga. Jelly Roll. I feel like Jelly Roll's still hip-hop. I feel he's hip-hop. I feel like he's still hip hop I feel he's He's hip hop I feel like he's still hip Why you say still hip hop I feel like he No no I'm saying still to you

To how you said it I feel like that term That you was saying earlier Country hip hop I feel like that's gonna turn Into a whole genre of music Well it has It has

Listen Jelly Roll Right now That's not hip hop That's not hip hop No sorry But he comes from hip hop Yes of course he does What he's making right now it's country come on that's that ain't hip-hop like jelly knows that he's he's a singer songwriter he's making country music and he's

or pop music what is the number one record in the world right now it's country right bro it's country it's like country rock everybody in the club getting tipsy Look that's the That's a country record now Who Chingy No Yeah What's his name Chapuzzi Chapuzzi

Yeah Chapuzzi Yeah he got the number one record Chapuzzi It's Chapuzzi I shout out to Chapuzzi One time Hey don't let him

Disrespect you later No I'm saying Chapuzzi I got you Chapuzzi I'm saying what she said We got you baby No no no That's my boy He's a country singer, and he's black.

Yeah, he's incredible. He's the Rosa Parks of country music. No, like, shout out to Dax that made me. I went too far? No, you never heard of Dax? Dax is ill, bro. I went too far? I went too far?

They can tell me I went too far. You can just say, I'm a bad. I didn't even know what I was doing. We're out of our depth now. I'm sorry. I didn't know what I was doing. No, Shabooszy is a, like. Put it all into it.

Please, please, please. Shibuzy is a blessing to music right now. And, like, living in Nashville, the country music scene is a bit. Stale? No, it's not stale. It's evolving. And there's, you know, there's great characters that are stepping into the game. And I would say Shibuzy and Jelly Roll are crucial to the country music right now. And the evolution of country music, man.

Yeah. And Jelly Roll won an award. He's killing it. He's killing it. Awards, plural. That's what keeps the guy. He's killing it. All he's doing is winning right now.

Yeah. He's just winning. It's crazy. And he used to open for me, man. Yeah, I used to take him on tour. You know what I mean?

He's got Slamerican tattooed down his arm. You know what I mean? Like, that's family, bro. Like, we come from the same neighborhood, man. So, shout out to Jelly Roll, man.

I want to love you, Jelly Roll. And Struggle Jennings. Let's get Jelly Roll on Drink Champs, huh? Oh, you would love that. And he's a drinker, too, I heard. Come on, Jelly Roll.

Let's do it. And he smokes. He smokes like a chimney, man, I heard. Come on, J-Bro. Let's do it. And he smokes. He smokes like a chimney, man. I wish I could smoke, man. Marijuana? You could take a break and smoke outside. What's up, man?

It's not. We're going to take a break after Quick Time is Live. I don't understand why you... Give me a break. Let me be the first. You know, it's not us.

I promise you. Who's going to fucking say shit? You got weed smoking. You got all this shit going on in here. Upper management. What are's going to fucking say shit? You got weed smoking. You got all this shit going on. Upper management. What are they going to say? Hold on, let's get through this. Who's up there?

I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. Let me smoke my cigarette. Come on, chew, chew, chew. Hold on. Ah, look at that. A-Ball, M-K-G. That's a good thing.

I'm just... Oh, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. You, you, nah. Okay, this better. Okay. I don't know who you got behind 8-Ball, but. It's 8-Ball, it's a good matchup. Or UGK.

That's a great matchup. You see? I want a drink. Let's go. Oh, man. UGK. I figured you would have said 8-Ball for some reason. No, no, no, because I have a record.

I got a record with 8-Ball. You know what I'm saying? I got a record with 8-Ball, MJG, and Waka Flocka. Wow. And I love them boys, of course. But Bun B was my first cosign. Bun B came in on Good To Go and gave me one of my first official cosigns. It was Bun B and then Big Boy from OutKast.

But Bun B stepped in when, you know, no one knew and really, really went in. And then after the fact that I did records with A-Ball MJG. And rest in peace, Pimp C. I did get to meet Pimp C before he passed. And I was with Kalon Prather. Thank you, Kalon, for that introduction. Ghetto Vision in Los Angeles before he passed. I'm a huge Pimp C fan.

So, Pimp C fan. So, UGK, you know? Yeah, UGK. Glowilla? And Swab House, by the way, is a huge influence on my arm. The whole Swab House sound out of Texas was a huge influence on me musically. Fuck it, Tila, I'm so tired of ballin'

cause there's too many bitches in my mix. You never hear a ballerina like this. Yeah. Like, come on, dude. Tila. I'm into that.

Shit. We make that right now. That whole sound was fucking, come on. Okay. Swap House, baby. Texas.

Still Swang. What up, Paul Wall? Okay. What up, Tr on. Schwab House, baby. Texas. Steel Swing. What up, Paul Wall? Okay. What up, Trader Truth? Okay, my brothers. Three Six Mafia or Outkast? Wow. You don't have to pick, man.

No, no, no. No, no, no. Oh, no, you do have to pick. Sorry. I do have to pick. And I will say absolutely both because they were both. Oh, so you're picking. No, you're not picking. Both. That's not to pick. And I will say absolutely both because they were both. So you're picking. No, you're not picking.

Both. That's not a pick. Oh, I got to pick? No, no, no. Whatever you want, but we drink it if you say both. Both, we got to drink. I'll fucking drink. Let's go.

Let's fucking do it. I'll drink to OutKast. You got to take a shot of that. We owe you, sir. OutKast, 3-6 Mafia. Yeah. Both equally And simultaneously You wanna explain why?

In my life Hell yeah Fuck I'll explain man Let's go I do this This is what I do I like the more he drinks The more

The more The more funny he gets Well I mean Don't we all Shit Yo I was I've been warming up For this show all week Well, I mean, don't we all? Shit. Yo, I've been warming up for this show all week. What's a warm-up for this show?

How do you warm up for this show? This is going to be in the clip right here. How do you warm up for Dream Champs? Five days at the Sunset Marquee, Los Angeles, California, mixed with a little bit of Broadway, Nashville, Tennessee, Roberts Dive Bar, D's. Wow. Shout out. Fucking Fernette shots.

Wow. You know what I'm saying? Trying to, you know, I was prepping. You can't go wrong at a dive bar. But what was the- Prepping. And I drank a lot of water and ate a salad. He said he was prepping for drink champs. Yeah.

At the dive bars. What? I always wanted to hang out on Sunset I think we're all confused right now I don't know we were at

Outkast Outkast and you said both yeah we already answered that both in the story they both man

influenced you it's crazy well influenced me and also you know Big Boy gave me my first look on television

the ET Awards your dj no dj and at the time i i did a song um with slim thug called i run i run all night and day so like jim johnson probably pulled me and became a big record but i was so jones in miami well i was it became a huge record for um some thug but i was so on the ground i couldn't even afford to make the video so jim johnson like lip sync my part you know i'm saying and during the video but the word got around that there was this dude doing rock hooks so then i did jewel santana mixing up the medicine mixing up the medicine i was in the basement mixing up the medicine, mixing up the medicine. I was in the basement, mixing up the medicine. So I did that, which was Subterranean Blues by Bob Dylan.

So then Big Boy hits me up because now he wants a rock hook because now this shit's- So you're the hook guy at this time. At the time, yeah. You was Joe Hooker before. Trying to make it make sense. So the session opened up to work with Big, and he was like, man, we got to work out one of these rock and roll books. And I was like, man, really?

I just want to rap. I just want to rap. And nobody had really heard you rap much? Nah. OK. Nah. And he was like, rap. I was like, yeah, man.

And KP was there with me, the old Kawan Prather, who had signed, you know, who had signed OutKast, Pink, John Legend. And he was like, nah, he's got it, dog. I'm telling you. And Big Boi was like, started playing me beats. He was still questionable. He turned on your DJ, you know, DJ Beat? Uh-huh. And I was like, that one.

He was like, nah, I shot it. 3,000 produced dj beat and i was like that one he's like now shot at 3 000 produced that one you can't have that one and i was like please just give me a chance so he's like so he's like all right bro so he gave me the beat and i handed him back like 64 bars i just went just through the whole thing so he ended up chopping my pieces and then he would he chopped his pieces in chopped my pieces in, chopped his pieces in. Created a song out of one long verse that I turned in. Wow. And then that song, that song ended up doing really well.

We shot a music video to it. And then my first look, BET Awards, was on stage with Big Boi. Wow, man. Let's make some noise for that. That was an explanation like a motherfucker. Rocking a Hank Williams t-shirt. Wow. Man. Let's make some noise for that. You're putting that for a better first look. That was an explanation like a motherfucker. Rocking a Hank Williams t-shirt. Hank Williams Jr.

Tupac or DMX? Rest in peace to both. Don't get confused. Tupac. Okay. That's cool. Ludacris or T.I.? T.I. Gucci Mane or 2 Chainz?

Gucci Mane Oh Yeah, Gucci Mane Yeah, Gucci Mane I got a story Dude, you know what's funny? I got Every time you ask me something I have a story

I just don't want to I just don't want to Let's go I mean, whatever Like, you can back's funny? I can't, I got, every time you ask me something, I have, I have a, I just don't want, I just don't want to. Let's go, let's go. I mean, whatever, like you can back up three times. I got,

I got relationships with everyone you're talking about. Gucci man story? Yeah, Gucci man. Are we about to get a Gucci man story? Yeah, let's talk about it. All right,

so, when I was working in Atlanta and shit was about to pop, I had met Gucci and Waka at a studio. Dude, I mean, this is fuck, man. I want to say 10, 12 years ago, maybe more. I don't know. It was a while back.

Gucci was already super popping. You know what I mean? Super, super popping. And the opportunity came up to work with gucci and so willpower willpower and i went to the studio it wasn't what what studio was that will no it wasn't tree sound no patchwork absolute patchwork so kp pulled put gucci in for a feature and at this time, I met Gucci, but I didn't really kick it with him. And we wrote this record called I Just Want to Party.

And Gucci slayed it. And we were sitting on this, what was like gold. We're like, God, this record's incredible. But how are we going to do this? So right around the street from patchwork is like pretty much like all squat, like old abandoned fraternity houses and skateboard houses and all this shit. I was like, man, we should shoot a video up the street, man. I got some spots. So we rented a spot out and Gucci pulled up, man. We talk about some goons out there.

Like, like, I'm sorry, from my side, I ain't talking about Gucci. So I we talk about some goons out there like like um i'm sorry from my side i ain't talking about gucci so i'm talking about the goons i came with you know like like rowdy punk rock motherfuckers like we're out there in the yard with kegs of beer and like i like kegs a bit i do too okay continue but anyway gucci pulled up in a fucking bright yellow Lambo, dripped in diamonds. And man, he showed so much love to me and my crew. And you got to remember, I was just coming up. I didn't have shit, nothing. I probably had like 10 bands in the bank, if that.

But he saw no difference, man. He showed love and supported. So shout out to Gucci. he saw no difference, man. Like, he showed love and supported. So, like, shout out to Gucci. Shout out to Gucci Mane. Gucci Mane. That's my motherfucking dog. Gucci Mane. I just want to party.

Legendary versus. So, you picked Gucci? Yeah. Okay. So, Gucci, right? I just wanted to make sure. I just wanted to make sure. Kid Rock or ICP?

That's interesting. That's interesting. I'm going to take Bob. I'm going to take Bob over ICP. I'm sorry. Who the fuck is Bob? Bob is Kid Rock. He calls everybody by their name.

He calls everybody by their first name. You're way too cool, man. He about to call you Victor in a second. Don't call me Victor, please. Don't call me Victor, please. But Bob is Kid Rock's real name? Yeah, Bobby. Holy shit.

That boy Bobby. He looks like a Bobby, though. He does look like a Bobby. He doing the leg. Kid Rock, man. I take Kid Rock. Kid Rock gave me... Let me tell you, when Marshall took me to Kid Rock's house...

Let me tell you something. This shit's hilarious. So... Did you hear what he just said? The floss. Continue. Listen, when I was in Detroit, Marshall goes, yo, is there anyone you really,

really want to work with at all on this new record? And I was like, well, I mean, shit. Honestly, Kid Rock would be sick, you know, because I consider Kid Rock the godfather of blending hip hop with country and rock. Like, I think he did it the best. Okay, I can see that.

You know what I'm saying? I really, you know, regardless of the lyrical content ability, he wrote huge songs. Right, right. And he blended it all together. You know, like, I mean, to all of my heroes at the methadone clinics, you know, that kind of line is like, with me is like, oh, this motherfucker.

So I was like, yeah, I like to work with Bob. You told him Bob? Huh? You told Mark? I said Kid Rock. Okay, I could. Now I know Bob now. Yeah. I know Bob. Okay. Yeah, I know that motherfucker.

So he takes me out. So he's like, alright, so Paul Rosenberg and Marshall jump in a car in front of us and me and KP were following up to Bob's house. You know you're going to K-Rock's house? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know this. Okay. Yeah, yeah. It's not a surprise.

No, I'm going to meet him because I'm going to do a song with him. Wow. So the way for that to happen is for me to meet him via Marshall. Wow. So we pull up to his crib. It's like a mafia meeting shit. I'm so into this. Continue. Yeah. So we pull up to his crib. It's like a mafia meeting shit. I'm so into this. Continue. Yeah.

So we pull up and there's a fucking, I remember like pulling up, it's gated and it's way deep north of Detroit, like beautiful estate. It's not a huge mansion, actually. It's like a little white, like little cottage, but it's beautiful. It's like everything's very well kept. And Bob pulls up to the fucking gate in a General Lee golf cart. Dukes of Hazzard General Lee golf cart.

I knew he was from the Dukes of Hazzard. Go ahead. Wait, how is it General Lee? Is it shaped like it? General Lee golf cart. Come on, put two and two together, bro. I ain't trying to, whatever. But look,

the fans know. You mean Confederate out. The fans know. So I pull up and like, we pull up to this spot and he's got a big ass fucking like Civil War cannon in front of, in his front yard with like big like

round, I don't know what the fuck, cannonballs. It was like a pyramid of cannonballs next to it like like in front of his front door in case you never know listen man i walk in this house and this fool got a giraffe uh up it's not a giraffe neck like just a giraffe neck? A neck. A floor-mounted giraffe, you know, from the neck up. Okay, okay, okay. You know? Oh, no, I don't know.

This is nothing we've ever seen. I've never heard of this. There's all kinds of these beautiful fucking things that are, I've never seen anything like this in my life. Dude, now, I'm brand new, bro. I just signed, bro. You know what I mean? so i'm coming straight dude i was boiling water for a hot bath when i did trump music type you know so i'm like like blown i'm like blown away so these guys start talking

bob and marshall and uh so bob so Bob, I see Marshall out there with Bob like, you know, they're doing the whole fucking, you know, and fucking Bob's fucking grilling steaks like, all right, smoking a cigar, fucking doing all this thing and ended up, they made

an agreement that the collaboration would happen there, but it took me going to the house and meeting him. By the way, I played a round of basketball with Eminem. He's calling him Eminem now. Okay. Dude, he's a baller, bro. I'm going to be honest with you.

To me, I think everyone lets Eminem win. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I didn't. Okay, so that's not what happened. So he called him Eminem when he started talking about basketball. It's a little weird. It's a little weird. That's not what happened.

He's not Marshall anymore. I don't play basketball. That's basketball ain't my thing, you know, but it is. It is his thing. Yeah. All right. It's his thing. It's his ass.

Yo, so look, look. So maybe he's not that good and you're that bad. No, maybe. Here's the thing. Bob's got a basketball court on his property. And a studio, by the way, with like old signed Jam Master J turntables and like the craziest rock and roll memorabilia you could think of. I feel like he got

deer heads too, right? Is there deer heads? He got all kinds of animals. That's like a fucking... He had a giraffe at the beginning where he's going to have everything else.

His collection is crazy. He's got this basketball court and Marshall wants to play basketball with me. Uh-huh. Basketball? Whatever it takes for the future let's go it's me on a full outdoor basketball court right it's a lot of space

paul rosenberg is sitting there with a cigar like halfway reading his phone and maybe some papers. I don't know but he didn't care what was happening. He was just fucking

looking at some shit. This is some shit I guess. You know, Marshall plays a lot of basketball. He's used to this shit. So it's me

and Eminem and you know what I'm saying we're doing a one-on-one. And Kid Rock, what's he doing? Just barbecuing? No, it's just me and Marshall but Kebab's over there

making steaks, drinking and shit. This sounds like the weirdest meeting ever. And I'm on a one-on-one with Marshall. And, you know, I just signed and shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, fucking man, I don't really want to fuck up. You don't want to break his ankles. But he went up for a shot.

Dog. I read him like a book. And when I went up and fucking just smack it, I missed the ball. Pow. I elbowed him right in the head. Swear to God. He was like, it's cool. It's cool.

I was like, hey, cool, it's cool. I was like, hey, man, you cool? He said, recouping. He was already up like 10 points. I didn't have shit anyway. And he goes, Paul, you seeing this? And Paul wouldn't even look. He was like, yeah, I see it.

I see it. He fucking stomped me in basketball. But yeah, man, hitting him in the head, that was not... That was a very awkward moment, man. I felt bad. I'm sorry, Marv. Sorry about that. Still one. Jadakiss or Nas? Jadakiss or Nas?

Are you kidding? No. I mean, I love Jadakiss, but that's like comparing Metallica to... Iron Maiden? No, that's no. Nas. I'm just going to go Nas.

I'm going to say Nas, and I love Jadakiss, but I got to go Nas. Nas, that's a different level of influence. But Metallica's going to who? Metallica would be your Nas? Metallica would be the Nas? Metallica would be the Nas? I just think that they're just, I think Jadakiss and Nas are on different spectrums.

And it's Jadakiss' friend who writes this fucking shit. He has Jadakiss' phone number. I love Jadakiss. They want to put him against Nas. And Jadakiss texts me. It's not a diss. It's not a diss at all. No, I know it's not a diss Get me out of this Fucking conversation No no no It's not a diss at all No I know it's not a diss

I just like It's just It's a strange like You know I'm just curious Who you put Metallica against Is it Poison? Yeah me too

I was just Like Metallica's so good Poison uh uh Against Against Color Me Bad? No that's I mean let's put it In the same genre at least

Okay okay I would say Nas I know I would say naz uh um um bob dylan and i would say jadakiss beatles oh wow that was great that was great you can't yeah yeah yeah you you were meant to do this shit all All right. Mystical or C-Murder? Oh, Mystical. Mystical and C-Murder had a lot of influence on me. You know what I mean?

Like all the No Limit family. But Mystical, Mystical because, well, I mean, who has, from my era of chopping and like vocal nuances and things that I have learned from him. And he featured on my freshman project. God damn it. Yeah, Mystical. Ice Cube or Scarface? Ice Cube.

Only because Ice Cube was one of the first records that I memorized front to back, word for word. Which record? Today Was a Good Day. Woo! Let me see if you still know it. Just waking up in the morning, gotta thank God. I don't know, but the day seems kind of odd.

No bucking from the dog, no smog And mama cooked a breakfast with no hog I got my girl, but didn't pig out Finally got a call from a girl I wanna dig out Hooked it up for later as I hit the door Thinkin' will I live another 24? I gotta go, cause I got me a drop top And if I hit that switch, I can make that ass drop

Had to stop for a red light looking in the mirror. Nothing jacking in sight and everything is all right. I got a beat from Kim and she can do it all night. Called up my homies and I'm asking y'all, which block are y'all playing basketball? Get me on the court and I'm trouble. Last week, fuck around and got a triple double freaking brothers every day like me jay i can't believe today was a good day that's what makes you special though that's what the the the the the fact that i know you you you know your hip hop I know it like do the Lior Cohen line

that's I think that goes with the cut oh me damn I gotta I said a story

15 times but it goes with what you're saying about him yes Lior told me one day Lior's my

one of my favorite CEOs I love Lior I don't want to say my favorite white CEO because I think that's unfair I think that's unfair you know what I mean like this shouldn't be my favorite CEOs. I love Lior. I don't want to say my favorite white CEO because I think that's unfair. I think that's unfair.

You know what I mean? This shouldn't be my favorite white CEO or my favorite black CEO. It should be just my favorite CEO. And that's how I fucking look at Lior.

So I don't say that no more. You used to say that? Yeah. I mean... I never noticed. But that's my favorite CEO. So Lior come to me one day and... Usually CEOs tell you

when you meet... Well, set the tone. Like, you'll get in the deal. I had a record with Ja Rule, right?

And according to what Leo called it... You just got signed to Def Jam. I just got signed to Def Jam. Doing the first record.

And he... We really shot the video and he called my video. He said, this is popcorn. Hurt my feelings. Oh, man. Let me get into the scenario. There's a reason why we're saying this story. Okay.

So he comes to me. Most CEOs say, don't bring nobody to the meeting. But he, for this reason, reason he said bring all of your friends whoever you with bring them all so my dumb ass brings them all and we we go into the meeting and he uh he says to me he plays the videos me and Ja Rule I'm in Ferraris I'm doing all this crazy shit that that's not what he signed me for He signed me to be You know The War Report

The War Report No Which is War Report was just Turned 27 years 27 years of War Report Yesterday So he says

He says to me We watch it And he goes This is popcorn And I never knew That popcorn could be bad I always thought popcorn Was a good thing

And It's for a time Yes popcorn I was like word and I never knew that popcorn could be bad. I always thought popcorn was a good thing. And it's for a time. Yes, popcorn. I was like, word, popcorn. And he stood in front of me in front of all of my friends that looked very scary. And he didn't care. And he said,

if I cut you right now, what would you bleed? I was like, blood? Then he said, well, ask me this question. So I said, Leo, if I cut you right now, what would you bleed? And he goes, I would bleed one DMC sucker MC. Yeah. He said, now, Nori, I'm going to ask you one more time.

If I cut you, what would you bleed? I said, I bleed Superdog. He said, exactly. Phi, I'm going to ask you one more time. If I cut you, what would you bleed? I said, I bleed super thug. He said, exactly. Pharrell is on the way. And he sent me to go see Pharrell. And I've made a record called Homeboy. I came to party. And if it wasn't because of that, it's because he dissed me to my face.

And what he's trying to say is, it's in you. So I want to ask you that question. If I cut you right now, what would you bleed? And don't say blood. That's the wrong answer. Don't say blood. I bleed rock and roll. Rock and roll?

I bleed rock and roll full on. Everything that I do is rock and roll. The hip hop I make is rock and roll. The lifestyle I live is rock and roll the lifestyle I live is rock and roll but you don't mean it you don't mean it musically you mean it as

as a like hip like rock and roll it's all counterculture it's all culture it's not like hey oh you're a rock star nah man

like I grew up around rock and roll I know what rock and roll is and if you cut me open what song would you bleed? what song would I yeah what song would you bleed? What song would I bleed? Rock and roll. Whatever song you want to pick.

I would pick Highwayman by The Highwayman. Johnny Cash, Chris Christopherson, Willie Nelson. I want to smoke with Willie Nelson. And Waylon Jennings. I would take that one song called a highwayman and that would be the song you hear about me. Let's go. Are we taking a shot for that?

Are we taking a shot for that? Are we taking a shot for that? By the way, you'll love that song. Shout out to my brother, my brother, my brother. Shout out to my brother, my brother. Shout out to my brother. Shout out to my brother. Shout out to my brother.

Shout out to my brother. Shout out to my brother. Shout out to my brother. Shout out to my brother. Shout'll love that song. Shout out to my... Shout out... I got... Okay. Shout out to my brother... Shout out to my brother, Shooter Jennings. Okay. Who is Waylon... Not related to Caitlyn.

No, Waylon Jennings' son. Okay, my bad. Whoa, whoa, you got to act. That's Caitlyn Jennings. You got to act. Literally. That's Jennings. That's Jennings.

My bad. I'm sorry. You know, I'm a little, you know, crazy. I'm sorry. You know, I'm a little, you know, crazy. I'm sorry. But we're having fun, though, right? We're having a great time. We're having a great time with this. Okay, let's go.

All right. Alabama or Atlanta? Come on, homie. I love goddamn Bama. I like the Bama. All right. I love Atlanta, though. Love Atlanta. Rest in peace, grid pl more. All right. I love Atlanta, though. Love Atlanta.

Rest in peace, Grip Plies. Speaker Fox, man. Rest in peace, Lenny's Bar. Atlanta, Georgia, man. Yes, sir. Favorite restaurant in Atlanta? Spawn Divots. I knew you was going to say Spawn Divots.

That's why I asked you. I swear to God, I'm totally connected. He's totally connected? Yeah, I'm telling you they connected. I knew he was going to say Spawn Divots. I swear to God, I wish I were over there. For the layman that don't know. It's a seafood restaurant. It's not Seafood Yala.

It is Seafood Yala. It is. Yes, yes. It is, but it's like for some reason, Swan Divots King, your aura says Swan Divots. I swear to God. I love Swan Divots. By the way, this question's not even on the thing.

No, it wasn't. It's not even on the thing. I just did that because... It said they don't bail, and then that was the question. It was your aura said Swan Divots. There's another spot in Atlanta called Smith's Old Bar. How you been to that one?

Okay, well, it's the only restaurant bar in Atlanta that celebrates Alabama culture. So they host all the Alabama games. They host, their whole menu is from Alabama. And I came up playing there. So shout out to Smith's Old Bar as well yeah okay podcast or radio no we didn't do ice cream and coffee yeah we did bro we did it okay my bad podcast podcast podcast for sure radios dude what the fuck is radio I don't know Like what the fuck Listen to the radio every day I mean I really don't I

I may be fucking Shooting myself in the foot You know what I mean But I really don't I never gave a fuck anyway I've never had any real Radio presence You know what I mean

My success comes from The gutter dude Like it's all like Your fans stick with you Yeah absolutely Wherever you go They stick with you But it took work

You know what I mean Like three tours Across America in a van. That's a grind. Getting $300 a night to open up a Wiz Khalifa, Raekwon in Harlem, you know what I mean? Type shit. Put it in work or making no money at all. Right. So anyway, I take a lot of pride in the fans that we built up over the years. And I mean, I do see the effect of radio

because when I see it happen to Jelly Roll or like Morgan Wallen or Drake or Rihanna, these people with these radio hits, I'm like, I just don't understand the club. I know that I got records that could fit in the line, but I don't get it. I like this shit because this is like really. It's unfiltered.

Thank you. It's unhinged. Right. It's unhinged. It's unhinged. There's no editing. Yeah, we don't edit. Just get the fuck down.

Unless there's some crazy shit said. Yeah, yeah. But all right, cool. Now, this is the last one. Quick time of slime, and then we're going to go back into the interview. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty. Want to break it down?

I would rather someone be loyal and hold me down than to have respect for me. I don't really care if you like me or not. No. If you could at least give me the peace of being loyal and keeping it real with me to my face, that's more important. You know, respect is subjective. Loyalty is concrete. I'm going to take a shot for that. I know we ain't supposed to take a shot. You picked. No, let's take a shot.

I'm taking a shot. Can I take a shot, Jamie? How many people claim Look at the social media Give me one of his shots I'm going to take one of his Have the peach, man The peach was good, man

That's the peach I got you Thank you, Nori I've been drinking all night Hold on, let me get a shot It ain't going to be chilled or none of that Thank you, Norris. Yes, I got you. Thank you, Norris. I've been drinking all day. Hold on. Let me get a shot. Okay.

Oh, it ain't going to be chilled or none of that? What do you think about it? Salud. Cheers, fellas. Thank you. Are people... Are people what? People die chasing respect. Respect that they would never get in the first place.

And what respect are you looking for anyway? I don't understand it. I don't understand, like, at what capacity? What? Is it 360-degree respect of everything you do, or is it I just respect you because you're funny? Mm-hmm. But I don't respect how you handle your family. I don't respect, you know what I'm saying?

And how you perceive respect is different for everybody. Exactly. It's subjective. But loyal is like, you know what I'm saying? And how you perceive respect is different for everybody. Exactly. It's subjective. But loyal is like, that's my dude. Right. And if I got a problem with my dude,

I'm going to talk to my dude. I ain't going to talk to everybody else about it. I'm your dude. I got it. I got it. You know what I mean? My boys,

I handle things like, here, like, this is bullshit. Nah, homie. Yeah. Pull up. Right.

You got a problem? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pull up. Yeah, that's bullshit. You know what I mean? 100% bullshit. And that's loyal. That's just, I like to handle things like that, you know?

Like, social media ruined respect. It ruined a lot of things. That creek water got nothing to do with water at all. It ain't no water. It ruined respect. No, no, it's water from the creek. And inflation disrespect. Yo, my chest is on fire right now. It got nothing to do with water at all. It ain't no water. No, no. It's water from the fridge. And inflated disrespect. Yo, my chest is on fire right now.

It inflated it. The peach is good, man. Yo, because you on fucking 17 different. Oh, look, look. I'm doing another shot of peach with you. My chest is on fire. No, get the. No, the peach is good, man.

Come on, man. That's that weed you're smoking. It's the weed. I blame it on the weed. I blame it on the weed. This is smooth as a baby's ass. It's smooth. It's smooth. This whole night, I weed you're smoking. It's the weed. I'll blame it on the weed. Let's blame it on the weed. It's smooth as a baby's ass. It's smooth. It's smooth.

This whole night, I've been trying to read what your hat says. Oh, it's a Harley Davidson hat. Old vintage paint. Hogs ride and show. Yeah, I like vintage. So, hogs is like Lizzie's? No, hogs is definitely. It's all fucking hogs.

Oh, yeah. I thought it was talking about cop pigs. Hot dogs. My bad. I'm green. I grew up on bikes, man. But I like vintage clothing. This old painter's hat I picked up.

These overalls is from the 40s. Milk delivery from Maine. Yeah, like the bottled milk joints. They were changed. Where do you buy that from? I just fuck around. From Maine. Yeah, like the bottled milk joints and then we leave. Where do you buy that from? I just fuck around. That's what I do, man.

If I pull up in the city, man, I'm trying to go find some old vintage picks. Have you gone somewhere here? What did Cassidy say? He said he goes to a state sales. A state sales? You know, DJ Cassidy. Furniture and shit. He grabbed old, I don't want to say old ladies, but it is. That's what it is. No no no He grabbed Old I don't want to say old ladies

But it is That's what it is Old ladies jewelry Like costume jewelry Oh yeah yeah Nah I like Yeah that's like

Oh I got a Tiffany's ring For a hundred thousand Man fuck all that shit I like like Old like Pics that are like I get something out of it too Right right

You know what I'm saying I ain't trying to give you You know what I'm saying I'm trying to come up. You know, the thing is. Yeah, Cassidy was definitely, I mean, according to him, he was buying.

I don't want you to come up. The point is that I'm coming up. You know what I mean? You know, hustlers, man. Oh, shit. Do you ever think that it's going to be a time where country,

rock and roll, and hip hop is going to all merge. I think that guy's name is Yellow Wolf. Ooh. I think it is. I think it is, too. And I think it happened in 1970 motherfucking nine. What?

In Gadsden, Alabama. What? You know what I'm saying? At the Baptist Hospital. Sheila Diane. You know what I'm saying? I came down here to do that very thing and that's what I've done. Period. Point blank. This is the...

As far as that's concerned, I am the tip of the pyramid period and uh and i and i say that respectfully for anyone who would say any different do your research you know it's all there and also you know not to mention the the classic country hip-hop shit that I've done with like wine on a Judd. You know what I mean? I'll go on to say like, you know, you know, going, going to it with Bob blessings of, uh, shooter Jennings and Jesse Coulter going to see the highway man and meeting Chris Christopherson and Willie Nelson and having those blessings and those

moments within country music, being on stage with Dwight Yoakam in Alabama when I was five years old at the Chris Christopherson and Willie Nelson and having those blessings and those moments within country music. Being on stage with Dwight Yoakam in Alabama when I was five years old at the June Jam in Fort Payne, Alabama to run DMC walking through my motherfucking door when I was seven years old. Great job.

All the way up into rock and roll, whether it was Aerosmith or Aerosmith or Ted Nugent or any of those guys all all those pieces of the puzzle formulated me into an artist and the reason I take pride and and feeling and knowing that I'm the tip of the pyramid is because of how long it took me to learn how to blend those styles and to be that person. And like I said, I think Kid Rock

is the OG to the beginning of it. Right. But let's be real. Bob didn't listen to hieroglyphics. You know what I'm saying? Like Bob wasn't listening

to Bush Babies and DJ SNS tapes and shopping at Fat Beats and shit. But Kid Rock did come up, like he toured with Too Short. No, I know, but he came up in an era too. Yeah, but it was a different era. He had the high top face. It was a different era. It didn't make sense,

but he had it. It was a different era of lyricism. For sure. You know what I mean? I'm like after Outkast. I'm after hieroglyphics. I'm after, you know, I'm after Nas. I'm after, there was a certain lift into the culture. And I don't take nothing from it. You did something else, though.

And I listened to an interview you did with, shout out to Justin Hunt from The Company Man. Most of the motherfuckers move into rock or country. I'll just say that. Hold on, listen. So you did an interview with The Company Man. hunt from um most of them move into rock or country i'll just say that hold on listen so you're done you did an interview with with the company man and you you mentioned that you did street team shit because i did street team shit and that does a lot for you to learn this this industry from the grind from the ground yeah did you what'd you who'd you do street? So so and 9099 I was working for us. You'll love this nor I was worried. Wait, I was living in Queens and I was

working for I was different. I was I was working for your soul was good. I do my dad when you say queen No he goes Queen, queen, queen, queen, queen, queen No I'm off 90th Street J Train Okay Okay So I don't even know what

So So but I worked in the city And I worked for a promotional company Called Guerrilla Marketing And So I One of my jobs was Promoting

Autobionics De La Soul record. Wow. I worked that record, too. Did you? Yeah. Okay, so. You have a street team?

Hold up, wait a minute. Do you know about your- I worked for Tommy Boy, though. Yeah. So I must have been one of the companies that Tommy Boy hired to do it. For sure. So I worked for you.

No, no, you didn't work for me. At one point. I was one of the teams that I got hired as well. Oh. Directly through Tommy Boy. But I worked for Tommy Boy a long line down the road. Wow okay cool this is amazing so listen i painted this huge canvas of their cover of a space their spacesuit because i'm a mural artist that's how that was

my project too by the way that was my autobionics yeah Come on, man. De La Soul. Love you guys. Yeah, of course. So I was honored, right? I was just hyped about it. So I'll paint a canvas of the cover. So I painted this huge canvas. Then I put on a spacesuit.

And I walked around all of New York and all the boroughs. I even went down to TRL on MTV and I was standing under TRL with a big De La Soul Autobotics hand-painted canvas sign and a spacesuit. I remember at one time. It's crazy. I remember at one point when I was going back to Queens, I was on the J train and I was wearing a spacesuit and this dude walked up to me. He was on a bicycle and I had lifted I had lifted a little mask

because I was over my promotions and plus it was hard to fucking breathe and this dude walked up to me and said De La Soul

and I was like yeah man I'm doing street promotions he said what's up man I'm Stretch Armstrong he was fucking a DJ

and you know Stretch Armstrong connection to breaking the born in Riega you know what he said connection to Breaking and going to Riega you know what he said to me you heard that new Eminem record

I swear to God I swear to God well he had a huge part in that as well because we started talking about it it's about hip hop and whatever

and I was like nah I ain't heard it yet he's like dude it's going to change the world and this is a random conversation he just happened to get on the same car on the same train wow that's some hip hop randomness yeah it's going to change the world. And this is a random conversation? He just happened to get on the same car, on the same train.

That's some hip-hop randomness. Yeah, it's super crazy. That's why I'm at Stretch. But hold up. This is what I want to say. This is why this is important because oftentimes aspiring artists will listen to this and be like, oh, man, you got from point A to point Z, like, you just jumped. And I work street TV shit.

That's a grind, but I was happy to do it because I was such a hip hop head. Yeah, it's fun. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I get this before anybody and I can distribute this and do this and put people on.

And the fact that you even, coming from the South, went to New York. Wow. And you're in the Mecca and you're out there putting on the gear, doing whatever it takes to be

a part of the culture that says a lot about you willing to put in the time and grind absolutely i would have i would have i and i did i did everything that i knew how to do to immerse myself into the culture at his very core right at the very very fucking core man there was that there was times between my boy rodney between there was there was there was a sequence of people that ended me up at the end of the day the the the short of the long is me and pete rock kicking it in harlem for a few days you know i mean like him taking me to his favorite fucking like. Have you done a record with Pete Rock? No.

I could hear that. I would love that. But I wasn't ready back then, dog. Like I was just like paying my dues and like I just, I was just being, my energy was forcing these situations into my life. Right. It was early on. It was early on.

You were immature at that point. Very, very. As an MC, not ready at all. But still, like, you know, like, shaking hands with the gods. You know what I mean? Like, tapping in. Making sure I was there. So, yeah.

Shout out Pete Rock, man. It's crucial. Everything you're saying is very important, man. So, let me ask you, you know, me being, you know, half black and half Puerto Rican, people always ask me, like, you know, does it help being Puerto Rican? Do you think you being white helps you or does it, is it a crush? It's both, man. I think in hip hop culture, there's definitely like, it's that whole white boy can jump shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like there's this white boy who could dunk and he's like showing out in the gym and shit. It's like, oh, white boy got this white boy. When I was growing up, dude, it was always white boy. That's all I ever heard. And you take the derogatory? No, no, no, no. Not at all. Actually, complete opposite. It was a term of endearment.

Besides the obvious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was all day, every day as well. But it was a term of endearment. What's... So, yeah, I've always took it as like, if this is a term of endearment what's um so uh so so yeah I've always took it as like like

if this is if I'm special at this because I'm a white boy in this particular thing like oh white boy's killing it or white boy can fight or you know

white white white boy ain't scared of shit you know what I'm saying or he's crazy white boy we got crazy white boys. Like, cause I always, my whole crew was always black.

Always. I grew up with Gadsden, with Hoover Crips, man. Like, like man, like rest in peace, shoddy fat,

man. I used to just be in, in the Chevy ready for whatever, you know what I mean? Like that was me. That was my life. Fucking pulling up fucking little Bootsy shows and whoever was coming to town and like i just grew up around a rowdy group of people and i had this also this like this very like

stark reality of country rednecks you know you gotta remember i'm in alabama so the hood is very the hoods are it's like trailer parks and projects. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I do. But we all live on this same financial level. That's deep. So in that way, you either fuck with each other or you don't.

Now, I was a part of the crew that did. So when the whole white boy thing came out, I used to get pissed, dog. White boy? What the fuck are you talking about? My mother is Blackfoot and Cherokee and white. My father's Cherokee, Blackfoot, mostly Cherokee. Don't fucking call me a white boy. I'm not that simple.

But then it became a source of empowerment. Now you're giving me this label and you're offering me this opportunity to use it. Right. So I did. Right. And that was it. Thank you. And in a sense, it's a double-edged sword. I'm like, why?

It's also like I hear some new white emcees out talking about they're the best white rapper. That's disgusting. They're already fucked up saying that. You're already canceled when you say that. Yeah. You're already done. Are you the best white rapper? Well, you probably are the best white rapper.

But what the fuck does that matter? Why don't you be the best MC, dog? Yeah. And like, and so I never, you know, the reason I went at G-Eazy on that record Bloody Sunday is because he had, while I was signed to Shady, he said, I'm the best white rapper

since the one with dyed blonde hair or some shit like that. And I was like, what? Oh, dude, hold the fuck up. You know what I'm saying? Like, are you kidding me? Like, why would you even say that, first of all, and second of all,

excuse me? You know what i'm saying like so and so i i think that it is a double-edged sword you know like we can't deny our our cultural uh the way that people perceive us culturally if you and i walk into a room you're black i'm white in the story yeah you know i'm saying like to the to everyone else yes to the world you know and that's cool. Like we'll take it. You know, but we're deeper than that, man.

We got more to offer than that shit, man. And let's pour a shot of that. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I took a shot, James. We got more to offer than that. Let's just die.

The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser-known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams and best-selling author and meat-eater founder Stephen Rinella. I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here and I'll say it seems like the ice age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6th where we'll delve into stories of the West and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.

Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And just be the fucking best. Don't be the best of whatever fucking race you are. It should be skill-based. Just be fucking dope. No matter what you do. You know, we were so excited when we booked you and we had you locked in.

I just poured my drink into my shot glass, by the way. That's okay. We've seen you. No, it's not okay. No, but I'm taking a shot. No, no, keep it. Where's my fucking bartender? Yes, yes, yes.

She's your bartender. We gave it to you. Jamie, sorry. He's paying for today's episode. Came in the wrong place. He got it. Send him the invoice, Jamie. Jamie, thank you.

Yes. Babe, can we put the... I'm about to lick your butt. Please, I just want to be parked next to my shit. Okay, okay. Babe Can we Can we put the Please I just want to be parked Next to my shit You know Okay Cinnamon

It's the cinnamon and the peach It's a thing man It's like Because like It's like a nice car I just want it next to you You taking a shot or what? Yeah yeah yeah

You know we were so excited Like when we got Had you booked right So I'm going to do a research Thank you so much I continue to see that We were so excited when we had you booked, right? So I'm going to do a research. Thank you so much. I continue to see that it is a certain thing. Like what not, what white rappers going at each other, right? And it's just like, it's just what it is, right?

And then it's not only that is everyone compares they self to Eminem well everyone wants to say to that that you're not Eminem you're not the next Eminem so that's the reason why I asked like is that a is that is that something that's like cringing you know what I mean that's absolutely ridiculous yeah that is that's cringing? You know what I mean? That's absolutely ridiculous. It's an absolutely ridiculous statement for someone to say that. How dare you compare someone to Marshall? Right. How dare you? Eminem. That motherfucker, he is his own human, man.

What are you going to say about Snoop Dogg? Are you going to do the same thing as Snoop Dogg? You never, you would never, ever. That would be another Snoop Dogg. Come on, never. And stylistically, you guys are so different. Yeah, I mean. I'm talking about in general. I'm talking about.

No, I'm just saying it should start there. Like, stylistically, like, there's no comparison. I'm just saying, for me, man. Right. I'm from the South, bro. I have a bounce. Why? I got a bounce.

It's fire. All right? I got a bounce. I can keep up. I got bounce, man. I was raised in a different pocket of hip hop. Lyrically, melodically, the way I approach a track, it is completely different. Right.

And, but that's why I became part of the crew, because I wasn't like him. You know what I mean? It's like. I think that's the only reason why. Yeah, exactly. You think he was signed to someone and it was like, like him? Like, I was just different. I had a different thing. It would have been stupid for.

You know what's still about, you know, you can rhyme like that, but you have your own shit. That's what I said earlier in the interview. It's like, I can't put you in a box at all. I wouldn't be surprised if you fucking made a record with Mickey Mouse. I mean that with the utmost respect. Disney cut the check.

Yeah, I mean that with the utmost respect. Disney got it. Your style, to me, this is me, this is me personally. You set up the best diss for a rapper ever. You could do a record with Mickey Mouse. Oh, you talking about? No, don't take it like that. I'm taking it in a good way.

Listen, what I'm trying to say is, what I'm trying to say is, you can actually rhyme to anything. That is an art. Like, you're so skilled. That is an art. You can dumb it down, speed it up, whatever you rhyme to anything. That is an art. Like, you're so skilled. That is an art. You can dumb it down, speed it up, whatever you want to do. To me, it might be. That's a compliment.

Thank you. Like me, when I first started rhyming, let me tell you this crazy shit. I forget who told me this, but he was like, if you can't say one rhyme to every single beat, then you're not an MC. So what I would do is try to have one rhyme

fit every beat and I can never ever do that shit. But with you when I listen to your shit I'm like oh my God. Maybe you're not doing the same one rhyme but you can actually rhyme

to any beat. Has there ever been a beat that somebody gave you that you couldn't rhyme to? I know you just talked about all. Absolutely not. Not even a like a not even a like a like a three-fourths three-fourths beats i was like the record i did what went on a judd

was a waltz but it was a waltz yeah it was yeah the beat is called a waltz it is a waltz it was a waltz it's like a threealtz. It's like a 3-4. And it changes every... So it's not 4-4. It's 3-4. So it changes every three bars. Wow. So no, there's not a record. I knew that.

There's nothing... This is my first time meeting you. I knew that. And Will Power can attest to that. Will? I know that. Will has said that for years. He's like, dude, do you rap?

But you know it. Well, Well you gotta make him a crazy beat That he can't fuck with There's no There's nothing You gotta stump him Will I'm an artist I was Detecting his music

And I kid you not I can't I was literally I was like If I send him this beat He can rhyme to that If I send him this beat He can rhyme to that

You think that's I don't think you're in a box. A Southern artist has that superpower as an MC? No, no, no. Honestly, because the bounce thing, because Southern artists tend to be able to rhyme different styles of beat. No, man. Don't be into the South. It's him.

Relax, buddy. I'm asking him the question. Give it to him. No, no. There is something to that uh there is something to um so because not to cut you but real quick a southern artist a southern hip-hop artist they grew up On all different styles of beats

Different BPMs The 2 Live Crews Whatever you want to do it You know what I'm saying Like whatever style And they rhymed In all those styles So they've learned

All these different types of flows And speeds Do you think that's anything To what he's talking about? Yeah I mean There's definitely something to that, but rap is only, hip hop is really, yo, listen, the devil went down to Georgia,

he was looking for a soul to steal. He was in a bind, he was way behind, he was looking to make a deal. I like it. Isn't that hip hop? That's hip hop. That's not hip hop. That's country.

I like it all. It's not hip hop. I know. So hip I like it all. It's not hip-hop. I know. So hip-hop is defined by its musical bed. Right. Rap, the art of rap is old. Old, old, old. Right.

All the way back to old blues, Robert Johnson, like I was talking about, Muddy Waters. Woo! The art of rapping over music is not nothing new. Now, what hip-hop defined, I would say what hip-hop defined it with was a musical bed. This is the hip-hop sound. You know, and by the

way, speaking of Bob, around with Kool Herc, I got a question for you guys. Speaking about the origins of hip-hop, I want to ask you, Nori. Okay, damn, you going to put me on the spot? You want to go with the gray-haired guy first? I will. I'll give a fuck.

I got you. Okay. But the chops and the melody, before we get to that part, the chops and the melody, the ability to transform into other rhythms and shit, comes from, there's two parts, really. The melody comes from rock and roll and classic rock and roll, mostly. The slang, the slang and the bending of words

comes from country. The chops come from bluegrass. Bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, bigga, jump on the paddy paddy like a peck of sand, and get back in the mecca, and then move the back, The chops come from bluegrass. All that is like bluegrass. I'm into that. All right? And so all those pieces I brought, you got to understand,

the reason I brought everything that was on my plate to the table is because when I listened to Wu-Tang Clan i f and when i listen to wu-tang clan i wanted to go to shaolin that's yes the point when i listen to nwa i wanted to go to constant of course listen to mob deep i want to go to queen's bridge i listen to fucking i listen to motherfucking outcast i want to go to atlanta right i listen to fucking a bar mjg i want to go to memphis i want to go to texas to go to Texas When I listen to UGK Come to Miami So I wanted to put A region

And I'll bring All of that shit Into that You know what I mean And that was my mission Thank God I caught the error Because now it's all fucked up Everybody sounds the same

These days man Like where you getting Your influence Oh Japan Japan Motherfucker You you live in Arkansas. What's the name of Japan? How do you get that sound?

You know what I mean? Motherfuckers is on some K-pop shit right now. Yeah, I fuck with it. K-pop. You really do. I don't believe you not one fucking bit. Get the fuck out of here. You fuck with K-pop.

I fuck with a show. Name one K-pop group. I don't even know one, but name one. I don me out i don't want to show on netflix called space what's it called space with with the guy from um 40 year old virgin invaders no it's like space force space force oh steve carell steve carell so what's that do with k-pop i can't remember that right now steve carell yeah hit me up so in the episode they're driving and they're listening to kpop your story's ridiculous so in that in the series they played a fucking a K-pop record that's so stupid bro that's a long winded answer to this K-pop record

I googled it and I liked it and I fucking listen to it what was the K-pop record go sing it I don't know sing it

it's in the fucking episode it's his next hit he's gonna fucking sample that shit I ain't doing none of that but you should do a remix with them go ahead

you do the guy who said fuck reggaeton right it's true it's true I did I did not believe

in reggaeton he hated his own people no it wasn't hating did not believe it. He hated his own people. No, it wasn't hate my own people. It wasn't hate my own people. Relax, man. You know, I'll be explaining. No, no. I'm going to explain it again.

We don't want your explanation no more. You were wrong. You sounded ridiculous when you told me your first at night. Let's go. It's a hundred million spins. Hey, go check my liquor. Hundred million. Yes, and I went on tour with you, too.

You liked it, didn't you? I did. It started. Oh, my God. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. It started to sound very good after that. Yeah.

Okay. All right. So roll out. Okay. I'm going back in. I'm not doing no more of this. So you said you went to the house, Eminem. You elbowed him, but we didn't actually talk about the session. That's when we ended it?

He elbowed him there? Yeah. You went way back. He's back in some chapters. He's like, you went back in some chapters. He's editing right now. We didn't talk about the actual session with Bob. I don't want to call him Bob.

You and Bob had the session right there? No. No. Okay, yeah. So let's talk about the actual session. After you elbowed Bob had a session right there? No. That was just a preliminary mafia meeting to say you can do it. After you elbow Eminem, you almost lost your deal.

That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. All right, so now you're getting a session. Yo, Eminem is sober, right? I'm going to take a piss on your sober. I like drug addict Eminem. Is that bad of me? Yeah, it is bad.

No, that's not. I mean, music. That's not inaccurate. No, I'm saying it's not inaccurate. Yeah, I like when he was on drugs. My homies have to talk about that all the time. Yeah, he's on No, that's not. I mean, music. That's not inaccurate. No, I'm not. No, I'm saying, dog, it's not inaccurate. Yeah, I like when he was on drugs. My homies have to talk about that all the time. Yeah, he was on drugs. I like it.

Look, man, sober is a lifestyle. You be sober and, yo, live your life. It's all good. I've got some homies close to me, you know what I mean, that I'm like, dog, drink a beer. Chill out. Do something. Do something. Do something.

You're weird. You know what I mean? You're getting weird. I wouldn't go that far, but I do say shit like that. You don't call your friends weirdos? I think I'm the white version of you.

I think if I was born in Alabama and had tattoos, I would be you. Because I tell motherfuckers, get your life together and drink a beer. Yeah.

You, yeah. We might be the same. You might do. Hey, you might do. You might do. Come on, God damn it. Come on, God damn it.

He's on. But, but, but, all right. So, yeah, let's talk about that because I, I, I say this all the time and my friend Diego, he's one of my closest friends. He's over there. He's over, he's, he, but, but, all right. So, yeah, let's talk about that. Because I say this all the time, and my friend Diego, he's one of my closest friends. He's over there. He's my, I don't want to say my white friend. He's my friend.

White. White. Your white friend. But we actually go and we listen to Eminem, and we listen to the two different versions of Eminem. So, and then we always sit there and debate. People say that black people don't listen to Eminem. That's fucked then we, we always sit there and debate. People say that black people don't listen

to Eminem as fuck because of the lies. Okay? I'm one of them. And you can attest to that. I don't think that it's, I don't think it's, they don't,

I don't think black people don't listen to Eminem. I don't think that it's, it's just not part, a lot of times it ain't party music. You know what I'm saying? It's not some shit

that you're bumping. I beg to differ. It doesn't, it doesn't mean that you're not like, What's the new shit you got? listening music you know what i'm saying it's not some shit that you you're bumping i bet it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't mean that you're not like what's the new shit listening you know i'm saying there is a difference there the shit that you ride to the shit that i ride to yeah it's different from the shit that i put headphones on and listen to intently artistically the shit that you ride to is like dog like you know like like i'm fucking i might ride to bob james or some shit you know i, like, like I'm fucking, I might ride to Bob James or some shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm not bumping the latest whatever, you know what I mean?

Like what I put in my car and what I ride to or what I party to, that's two different things, man. Sometimes you make music like for people just to digest artistically, you know what I mean? You heard Eminem's new record? I got to piss. You got to piss? Oh, you did? Hold on. Someone's in the bathroom. Sit down. Come on. You heard Eminem's new record? I gotta piss. You gotta piss? Oh, you dare. Hold on. Someone's in the bathroom. Sit down.

Come on. Someone's in the bathroom. You heard Eminem's new record? I gotta piss. I love it. Now, let me tell you how simplistic I am. Again, when I told you about K-pop, now, you know why I like Eminem's new record? Because it's K-pop? Because I heard

that record on Balls of Fury. I don't get it. In the movie. Uh-huh. That same heard that record on Balls of Fury. I don't get it. In the movie. Uh-huh. That same record that he sampled was in Balls of Fury. No one's seen Balls of Fury here? Nope. Oh, wait.

See, I feel like I'm the whitest person here right now. I'm just being honest. Hey, dude. Nobody seen Balls of Fury? Yo! Hey, man. Dude, I ain't. Shit.

No one seen Balls of Fury I don't watch shit Oh my god Yo I literally I literally don't watch anything You don't Wait a minute

What I only turn on the TV When I go to sleep And I use it as a background I don't watch Nothing Ever I don't think I've ever heard that

In my life I just don't man I ain't got time for that I get working too hard. Damn. Yo, I'm not trying to sun anyone or fucking make fun of someone who watches things. No, I ain't seen that. If I go to the movies.

The bathroom's open if you need to go. The bathroom's open. If I need, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't mind. Eminem's question is gone. Huh? Eminem's question is gone. I don't care.

I'm going to answer the question. No, I'm fucking with you. You're the guy. Okay, okay. You're going to take a pee-pee to answer the question. No, I'm fucking with you. He's going to take a pee-pee and answer the question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to take a shot just because... Yeah. Just take a shot. Yeah, you're going to take a shot to take a piss again.

Yeah, oh, shit. Oh, we got... I'm good for another two hours. So... Hey, you got an extra... Yo, yo, yo. Where's my shot at? Oh, here we go. Okay, hold on. I don't got a shot. Hold on. Jamie, can got an extra... Yo, yo, yo. Where's my shot at? Oh, here we go.

Okay, hold on. I don't got a shot. Hold on. Jamie, can I get it? Hold up, hold up. Monster Energy. Can you say we... Can you tell we sponsored by Monster? Yeah.

Wait, he said it. Monster Energy. Because I was with Monster Energy for some years. I love... Oh, you're not with them now? Nah, nah. Well, not for any bad blood. This was one of the best sponsors ever.

They're great, man. And I appreciate it. Listen, man, shout out to Monster for supporting me through my first Warped Tour. Wow. My Warped Tour was a life-changing experience. They helped pay for my bus, you and like they supported my stage like the marketing team and monster man they really helped me out and like i know that a lot of corporations people get them up you know they they they they take them for like you know everything is

like some kind of gain or they i'm telling you this was a really great company that helped me out and like and they They inspired me too. Monster, thanks for the years. Thanks for the checks that you cut to fed my family. Thanks, Monster. Hey, wepa! Wepa! Oh, man.

We didn't talk about the actual session with Kip. I need you guys all to try some Amahuana right now. God damn it. Ready for this? Let's go. Take a shot.

Take a shot. Hey, man, what y'all doing over there? Yo, where's your shot glass? What are y'all playing? Cards or some shit? Is somebody over there eating salad? Ain't nobody. Yeah, yeah, take the bottle.

Pour your own shot. There you go. There you go. Yo, I'm calling you out over there eating salad. Eating salad, man? This is salad. Eating a salad, man? It's too early for a salad, bro. They salad tossing over there? Salad is for the morning, bro.

Who's drinking whiskey over here? He's already eating a Greek salad. What kind of salad you eating over there? Who's eating a salad? Mr. Lee? That's what I'm thinking. Oh, Mexican salad.

Hey, that's what's up. Thank you, Mr. Got some cilantro in there. If it's Mr. Lee, it's a Dominican salad.

Salud. Salud. Salud. All right, I got you. All right, so what is this? What are we drinking?

This is Mama Juana. Just enjoy it. Just enjoy it. Savor it. Savor it. Okay. Take it in. It's like ayahuasca enjoy it. Just enjoy it. Savor it. Savor it. Okay. Take it in. It's like ayahuasca, but different.

Get the fuck out of here, man. I ain't jealous. No, no, no, no. My manager takes people on ayahuasca trips. Yo, you know what? I've been wanting to go, too. You know what? I'm going to be honest with you.

My homie just went. It's the first time we ever had Jägermeister. Did you request a Jägermeister? I'll take the Jäger. Who got Jäger? Give me Jäger. take some Jäger. Who got Jäger? Give me Jäger! Give me Jäger! Look at that.

Look at this dude. Look at him coming in. Oh, he's coming in hot. The label's peeling off. You know that shit's been through the ringer. Yo, he picked this shit up from the 7-Eleven on the street. This shit is bootleg, yeah, girl. This shit ain't even real.

I have something to admit to you. What? I'm gonna admit to everyone here. What is it? I always wanted like white friends

that could drink Jagerwood, right? So, I never had. Chill, chill, chill.

I want to take a Jager shop. I want to take Jager shop. Please, specifics, requests. Listen, so, I used to go, I used to go places and be like, I swear to God, specific request. Listen, so... But I'm going home right after the Jager shot.

I used to go places and be like, I swear to God, I swear to God, I used to do this. I'm embarrassed about it. And I would be like, I would order,

I would see some white people at the bar and I'd be like, let me get a Jager. Because that's what I used to do in the college with my frat boys. And you was lying through your teeth.

But, uh, I would take the Jager and then drop it in a beer and then be like, ah. What, you was doing sake bombs with Jager? Nah, Jager bomb was with Red Bull. Nah, I would drop it in a beer. I was a foul dude. Nah, Jager bomb was Red Bull. Jager is the truth. Okay.

Are you giving me Jager? Yeah, of course I'm giving you Jager. You're giving me Jager. Jesus. Okay. Here, you want some Jager juice? Dada, let's go. This is why I'm in my college days.

Don't go wild bananas. Give me the bottle. All right. All right. Yeah, yeah, because I do your own thing. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. You got to give me one of those.

Right there. What? Oh, we need a clean one. Let me get a clean one. You're the monster. You're the monster. Yeah, right there. Right there, buddy. Oh, shit. I got it. Give me that of those right there. What? Oh, we need a clean one. Let me get a clean one. Get a clean one. Get a monster one. Yeah, right there. Right there, buddy.

Oh, shit, I got it. Give me that, bro. This one, I don't need it. This one is clean. I don't give a fuck. If it's dirty, it's cool. Cool. Monster balls? Monster balls?

Yeah, that's some white boy shit for sure. Yeah, you let his shit go. Hey, that's some white boy shit for sure. Hey, you want to come demonstrate? Yeah, yeah, I hear you. All right, Diego. Okay, so let's talk about this session, though. All right. You finally get in.

Are y'all together, you and K-Rock? Or did he send it? Nah, so the idea was so so poo bear like okay so like i said oh okay oh listen so when we okay that's the reason why you walked in and said happy birthday that's some poo bear exactly yes okay happy birthday happy birthday one of the best things ever said to anyone. Are we taking Yeagers?

We're carrying on Pooh Bear's tradition. I'll take my Yeagers shot. Shout out to Seabear. Seabear. Courtney Seals. I love you so much. No, you got it. You got it.

Which is... Yeah, that's Yeager. This is me? Yeah, that's you. Holy shish kebabs. He ain't said nothing. Eh? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's Jaeger. This is me? Yeah, that's you. Holy shish kebabs. He ain't said nothing. So when we got signed to Interscope and when the Shady deal happened, right?

And I was like, you know, me and Willpower, forget it, dude. We could put an album out a week if we wanted to i'm not even shitting you man like it's like we he writes music and i record verses you know usually at the most we spend on a song three hours you know i mean from like act from nothing to done so like we were real quick so they're like so kp's like let's do an album i was like say let's let's go fucking do an album we had just signed to shady but the thing is like we wanted to do an album turn it in without marshall knowing we even did album album at all. Because the point was like, here you go, dog. You know, surprise.

Right. So we called Molly Mall in Las Vegas. I don't know if you all know who Molly Mall is. He's an entrepreneur. Molly Mall. Not Marley Mar, but Molly Mall. I did what fucking show I did with him? Yeah, Molly Mall.

I did what the fuck show I did with him? Yeah Molly Ma I did What the fuck show I did with him? Marist Bootcamp Marist Bootcamp Yeah And we pulled I'm not shitting you man

I'm not shitting you We put him out of the studio In Vegas back then Yeah monkeys in his crib Oh dog I got a story Bubs Bubs the monkey

Oh bro You don't fuck I fuck i i know bubs that little motherfucker i hate i hate bubs with a passion my god i've never heard somebody say we have problems me and bubs have problems he ain't throw shit at you or nothing bro listen this little bitch ass Motherfucker dog Listen So Molly's like Well first of all He rolled the red carpet out

And Pooh Bear's living In his house Pooh Bear's living With Molly Ma You know what I'm saying So Pooh Bear's a part of Sessions he's writing And if you don't know

Pooh Bear he's a fucking Hit songwriter man He's right Many many many hits And he's got the Fucking Just the energy He's got He's an energy god He's just like The best guy ever and he's got the the fucking just the the energy he's got

he's an energy god he's just like the best guy ever so so he so he's helping with the the writing of my my freshman album

so and and he's family with my manager at the time Courtney Steele Seabear so it's me Seabear KP

Will Power Shawty Fat Rest In Peace and Fifi Dobson which would which would then soon after become my wife. But Fifi Dobson, if you're not familiar, get familiar. Classic rock and roll fucking legend from Scarborough, Toronto, Canada, multi-platinum artist,

fucking like one of the most influential artists in the world. Just want to give her flowers like you've given mine. I just want to say, P.P. Dobson, nice to meet you. But we're there, and I'm with, okay, but getting back to the Bubz thing, I'm with Fifi, and Molly Moss, like, take my crib. He like skips out.

He's like a G, like, I'll give you a driver. Here's a Maybach. You get to this You know Do all this You know Do whatever You know

You just have fun There's a big ass shark In a tank In the middle of his fucking house He's got a fucking I swear to God I'm not joking bro There's like a leopard

Like a loose leopard Yeah Yeah You know You know You know He was with Scott Storch He was with Scott Storch He was with Scott

Yeah He sniffed a lot of coke there Bro I got Storch with Scott too Yo Yo Yo so fucking So So there's this fucking

I love how you're just connected It's like What's up white crime Because it's You know Real is real, dude. You can't fake that shit. You can't make this shit up. I'm taking another shot.

I'm sorry. All right, fuck it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's you who's doing this, though. Judge your labels. Let's go. Let's go.

No, you got to take it. I'm fucking, oh, Jaeger? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, Jaeger. Jaeger. I'll do more Jaeger. I'm not doing no more Jaeger. Holy crap. Drink champs? It's drink champs, ain't it? Yeah, it's whatever the fuck. More Jager. Jager. I'll do more Jager. I'm not doing no more Jager. Holy crap. Drink champs?

It's drink champs, ain't it? Yeah, it's whatever the fuck you want to drink. It's whatever we want to drink. Give it to me. Champion. No, no, no. Come on, champ. Hold on.

You got to get this champ. I'll take another. We don't do that, champion. But continue your story. I'm Molly. Sorry. Molly, you got Molly Crab. The monkey.

Oh, so the monkey. So Molly, I love you. Your monkey is a bitch. Fuck him. I hate him. Yo, it's this little motherfucker, dude. So, Fifi and I are staying in a guest room. And Fifi's like, oh, I want to fucking play with bubs.

Fifi's your wife, right? Your wife? Yes. Okay. Right? So, I open up the cage. You know what I'm saying? On my own accord. This is a massive mansion like you don't understand like it's like it's like walking into

the fucking smithsonian you know i mean there's a goddamn shark there's a fucking there's all kinds of dumb shit going on and there's a fucking monkey within a cage we're in vegas you know what i'm saying and i'm fucking open that bitch up. You open the cage? I let Bubz out. Oh, you're a dick. And Bubz, flip, flip, flip, on Fifi's shoulder and starts fucking caressing her. And she's like, oh, he's the best. He's the best.

And you was hating it. He was the best. No, no, no. I was cool with it. But I was like, oh, man. He was doing his thing. Yeah, Bubz. And I went to pet him.

And that bitch started. Look, Fifi starts, he didn't fucking know. Yeah, Bubs. And I went to pet him. And that bitch started, look, Pee Pee starts, she thinks it's funny. So we go back to bed. I'm like, it's time, Bubs got to go to bed.

It's night night for Bubs. You know what I'm saying? It's time for us to get rid of Bubs. So, but Bubs. You know what I'm saying? It's time for us to get rid of Bubs. But Bubs refuses to leave. Oh, you can't get him back in the cage? Bubs is possessive.

And let me tell you something. Monkeys are strong. Hell yeah, they're strong. You think a house cat is strong? Try fucking with a monkey. Them little motherfuckers are strong as a motherfucker bro i would think so as a monkey fucker i was like yo listen i'm like time to go to your cage bubs this little bitch is in a diaper and i went to grab him and he fucking

scurried across my body and he was at my ankles before I could fucking realize he even left her shoulder. And by the time I looked back up, he was back on her shoulder again, like, bitch. And I swear to God, I was like,

you gotta let, somehow you gotta, you gotta let it go, man. At this point, I'm over the idea of sex. I just want to go to bed. You know what I'm saying? So you got to get this bitch out of here.

So she goes and releases Buzz, right, outside of these doors. And keep in mind, when I tell you, like, if you think outside of the fucking too close doors, a marble palace, bro. So Buzz is loose. I shot the video. Okay, so look. So, she lays back down. I said, what'd you do with Bubz? She said, oh, I just let him go.

I said, hey, what you mean you let him go? There's a fucking leopard walking around. This motherfucker. The leopard ate Bubz? Bro. motherfucker. The leopard ate Bubs? Bro, so I'm fucking at this point hammered and I go to sleep and I wake up fully aware

of what happened. I'm like, Bubs, oh fuck. And I'm thinking and the cheetah's name was Isis. Isis was that bitch's name. Oh, oh. You wanted Isis to eat Bubs? I walked was Isis. Isis was that bitch's name. Oh, oh. You wanted Isis to keep up?

I walked in Isis's room by accident. This bitch was laid on a fucking, like, big-ass fucking beautiful bed. He stabbed me, showed her fangs and shit. Like, get out of my room. Like, fuck. This bitch was an angry fucking, fucking. He had timber wolves outside. For real?

Yeah, timber wolves. Big timber wolves. Big fucking. Wait, timber wolf is a thing? I thought that was just a basketball team. A fucking wolf. I thought that was a basketball team. What the fuck?

It's a human animal. Thing called timber wolf? What the fuck? That was today's year, though. Molly had a, there was a fucking, it was like a tiger shark in a fucking aquarium the size of this fucking room in the center of his house. Nice. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was fucked up.

It was fucked up. So anyway, she's like, yeah, I'll let Bubs go. I was like, what, where is he? Because, like, Molly, at this point, I'm like, darn, he gave us everything. He gave me the responsibility of bugs. And I've lost him. I've lost your monkey. Your monkey's gone.

And dude, for like two hours, dog, we scoured around this goddamn house. And I swore to God that Isis ate bugs. I was like, that monkey's dead. ISIS has devoured that monkey. And I don't know how I could ever repay him. I don't got the money to buy this man another monkey, nor does he even want another monkey. That's his favorite monkey. You know what I'm saying?

So as we scoured the house, we fucking looked to the left. This little bitch, he had been hiding behind I don't know, God knows what. Man, motherfucker scurried up and got up in his cage and closed his cage himself. He closed his cage himself.

Monkey knew what time it was. He was fucking with me. Fuck, Bob. Hold on, hold on, hold on a second. Say it. What's up? Molly. What's up, my brother?

That's Yellow Wolf and the motherfuckers. Yo, Molly. You on drink chance right now, Molly. Yo, yo, Molly Hey, listen, I can't even Listen, it's cloudy, but I still know your face, nigga Yo, listen, yeah Listen, I was telling them the story about bubs and ices

Oh, yeah, the monkey and the cheetah Yeah, man It's not supposed to happen, but it happened What? Yeah. It's not supposed to happen, but it happened. What? It's not supposed to happen, but it happened. Yeah, it's not supposed to happen,

but it did. Where you at, man? You look like you... No, but hey, but did y'all just tell me about how when you got into a girl and she was like, I'll fuck a monkey.

He's like... No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, no, no, no, no. He's like, validate my story. Say what? Remember when you guys

with that girl from Canada and she was like, fuck you, I'll go fuck the monkey. Oh. You didn't tell us that part. You didn't tell us that part. What was he trying to tell y'all? What was that? Oh my God. I was like, chill.

He's still young. He still got the diaper on him. You talking about yellow, the monkey? No, the monkey. The story's great. It's so good. Oh my God. He said, chill.

He got them diaper on. Yo, man. We go back, man. We're in the middle of filming right now, but I love you, man. Yo, yo, thank you. Hey, look. Yo, no, for like, we're in the middle of filming right now, but I love you, man. Yo, yo, thank you. Yo, for real, for real. I'm dead serious, man. My mama

would want me to tell you this, man. We fucking love you. You know mama loves you a lot, man. I just want to let you know. Your mom calls me all the time. I know that. Mama stays in touch with all the boys, man. She talks about you all the time man You know what I'm saying

We just We sending love man That's it All right All right All right Hit your back Hit your back bro

Hey Hey I'm here I got the little ear Cap goes first You ain't post it I know It don't count

If you don't see post it Post it. Big capping. I'm big capping. I need to get those. I was like. All right. All up, my brother.

We're going to shoot up later. All right, my brother. You take it. Have a great day. That's great. You can't make that shit up. Can't make that shit up. That was great. That was hilarious.

Yo, man. Okay. So we're not going to talk about the Kid Rock session because we just. Let's talk about Daddy's Lambo. hilarious yeah yo man um um okay so we we're not gonna talk about the Kid Rock session cause you we just let's talk about

Daddy's Land Bone I got the Kid Rock session you wanna talk about it yes please I would like cause y'all was together correct no man

it was one of the most interesting records that I've had it's the hardest fucking record that I ever had to do while I was signed to Marshall

you know what I mean like it's it's important that people know man like especially if you're a young artist coming up. Right. All right, so anyway.

Is that arguably your biggest record? Hell nah. Nah? Okay, my bad. My bad. I was just kidding. Like, you know.

What is it? What is my big? Fuck that shit. Okay. I'm with you. Wherever you want to go. It was amazing. It was a huge record for me.

I'm very, very thankful. It's not my biggest record, but it was a very important record. So how did this session hit on a record? I got more from it as an artist and as a young student than I did out from the actual song itself. The song did great, you know what I mean? But what I learned as an artist was something else. So Bob records his hook. So the record, okay, going back, Pooh Bear wrote that hook.

For Bob? I mean. He wrote the hook. You got to be calling him Bob. Fuck him, man. And so when we turned in, and we returned that, when that hook, after, you know, I told you about, like, Marshall taking me to Bob's, you know what I mean? Like, introducing me to the squad. He took his steaks, drinking beer.

You hit Marshall in the head. Yeah, all the same. So Bob agreed to do a record. Well, we had a record set up already, which was a record that Pooh Bear wrote, The Hook. Goddamn, what was the song? Roll up. Let's roll. Let's roll.

And, yeah, I'm throwed off. Got a lot of money. I'm sold off. I made my own lane. Let's roll. So, yeah, so that was the hook that was written by Pooh Bear and recorded at Molly's studio. Oh, man, he's cool. Let the fly go in?

Yeah, I'm chill. He's like, fly cool. Cool, cool. Fly is chill. he's cool. Let the fly go in? Yeah, I'm chill. He's like, fly cool. All right, he's cool. Fly is chill. Okay, cool. Fly my friend. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, so the mission now is to get Bob to record the hook.

And Pooh Bear's hook. Pooh Bear's hook. Okay, come right. Does he usually do other people's hook? And Pooh Bear's from the south, all right? So there's a certain inflection with his, I made my own lane list, whoa. You know, there's a certain, like, there's an inflection.

Has Kid Rock usually done other people's, like, right for him? Is he used to that? Hell yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, Bob got riders. Okay. For sure.

But that's the game. You know what I mean? It is what it is. Anyway, we brought this hook to him. And when I heard the recording, Marshall insisted to record him. I want to record Bob. Engineer? Well, yeah.

I want to vocally produce Bob for this hook. Em wants to physically fuck. I want to record Bob. They're both in Detroit. Hey, Bob, you come to the studio. That's it. Yeah, it's fucking epic. And then when I got the recording back, I was like, this ain't it.

You're like, not epic. This ain't it. Epic, not epic. I was just like, this ain't it, man. Like, this is not it. You're like, not epic. This ain't it. Epic, not epic. I was just like, this ain't it, man. Like, this is not right, you know? And that became like a very hard discussion. Very hard discussion between me and Marshall. I had to call him personally, you know?

But, you know, that's creativity. And I think, like. What was this conversation like? What did you say? I said, this ain't it. Wow. You know, like, it's, like, pretty straightforward. Like, I don't know what it is, man, but something is not right.

This doesn't sound right. You know what I mean? Like, there's something about it that doesn't sit right with me as my message. This is my breakout single. What's going on? You know what I mean? Like, and I was in the Florida Keys at the time on break,

just, you know what I mean? Man, pacing for like two hours, man, having a conversation. I mean, one of the hardest conversations I've ever had with anyone, you know? But I will say this. If you're an artist, you know, you're coming up, don't be afraid to have a disagreement. You know what I mean?

Like, it's cool. You know what I mean? Like, your elders will respect you for having an opinion. Now, like, they have the- Respectful opinion. Yeah, respectful opinion. Yeah. It's not like I wasn't dissing Marshall at all.

Right, right, right. You know what I mean? I just was just like, I don't like it. You know what I'm saying? So, how does this happen? He has to go back to Kid Rock, and I don't wanting Marshall at all. I was just like, I don't like it. So how does this happen? He has to go back to Kid Rock. I don't want to call him Bob. No, no.

What didn't you like about it, first of all? The mix. Because that's M. That's M's mix. It was the mix. It was the inflection of words. It was the way that it was. Everything about it was just.

So was it both the vocals and the mix? Yeah. Okay. So everything sucked. Everything sucked. I wouldn't say that it sucked. I would say that it didn't sit well with me and where I thought it should be. Did it suck?

No, I did not suck. How do you fix this? I was just like, I thought it could be better. it suck? No, I did not suck. How do you fix this? I was just like, I thought it could be better. It didn't work for what you were doing. Yeah, so we set up this video to shoot, right? We get it all fixed. Short of the long is, we came to terms. We made it what it was.

You know what I mean? So we figured it out. And that's what's up. That's what you do as a team. You know what I mean? Like, it's all good. Like, we figured it out. Right. And, you that's what you do as a team you know i mean like it's all good like we figured it out right and um you know i'm doing a video so we're doing a video with uh cool herk and uh cool herk and uh and and bob or kid rock so me cool herk and kid rock riding around harlem

you know and that was the let's roll video but like as they're shooting, Herc is in my ear telling me that he gave birth to hip-hop. Of course. As he should. Okay? Yeah. So? Do you say yes, you do? No, no, no.

Dude, that's my... Of course. His words, the Bible to me, you know what I mean? Like, what am I going to say? I'm just soaking it in. But I have heard Africa, Bapata. No, no, no. Yeah, you know, you're not wrong for what you're about to say.

And I'll say this, too. This is a complete, and this is a healthy conversation. This is not an argument. I don't like, this is not my theory at all. This is just what I've heard. In between talking to Kuhlherk, right? And he's like, right, I'm talking about right there. He's like, right there.

Them apartments, that block, right there. That's where it happened. You know what I mean? And like, we're filming, man. We're shooting a music video. But we're having a real conversation and like it's like bob and cool herc and me and and they're just giving me the whole fucking origins of everything but as i'm cruising in a cadillac like driving whose idea was it trying to act like that's kind of dope though you got this personal well i was trying to ask a fuck of hip hop while I'm like

you wanted to hear what he was saying dude like this is such a moment so much shit to soak up right so I mean I don't know if there's a concrete answer

to it all it doesn't really matter because it dives, dives back deep, deep, deep. And the more you, the more you get into it, the further you know,

it all starts to go. Further away from the truth, right. It just, it leaks, leaks, leaks, leaks, leaks down into these things and shit.

But I will say that was one of the most legendary moments I've ever had. Like riding around with Kool Herc and him telling this story. That's super legendary. With Kid Rock.

With Kid Rock. Bob. I can't call him Bob. Okay, show him the song. What up, Bob? Wait, wait. How was Kool Herc and Kid... Okay, I was just going to say Kid Rock.

I thought you were going to say Kid Frost. I'm looking at you. Kid Rock. Their interaction. What was that to say Kid Frost. I'm looking at you. Kid Rock. Their interaction. What was that interaction like? Oh, dude. Like, Kid Rock and Kool Herc were like old friends. Really?

Oh, dude. That's what I was asking. They were really like tossing back and forth memories. And like, I was blown away. Oh, so they knew each other. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, Kid Rock, man.

Like, that dude, he, that dude is no joke, man. He really, really, really immersed himself into the real shit, you know what I mean, early on. So what's the discrepancy with Kid Rock now and hip hop? Where people think that he's gone off the rails. Because he doesn't make fucking hip hop. No, because he's a Donald Trump supporter. That's the reason why. I think that's the only reason why. You just don't make hip hop. You don't make hip-hop. Oh, because he's a Donald Trump supporter. That's the reason why. I think that's the only reason why. He just don't make hip-hop.

He don't make hip-hop music. If you want to be relevant in hip-hop, make hip-hop music. You know what I'm saying? I mean, he makes rock and roll. He makes country music. He makes singer-songwriter songs. It's like, if he wants to do a rap record and, you know,

then fine. He can do that. He absolutely can. But he made his chops in hip-hop. Should he not give back to hip-hop? He made his chops in hip-hop? Yes. I thought it was also like... Nah, bro. He came in through hip-hop, bro.

For real? Yeah, man. Fucking opening up. Like you said, opening up for too short. He came in through hip-hop. I get what you're saying. So my thing is just this. If hip-hop gave you the opening, no matter where you went, you should always be hip-hop and give back to hip-hop.

My opinion. And how do you give back to hip-hop? I don't know. I'm just saying. You don't know. No, I can't. That's each individual to give back to. Okay.

I don't know what the fuck you're going to do. Maybe you'll give fucking hip-hop balloons. I don't know what the fuck you're going to do. I'm just saying. I give music. Maybe you'll give fucking hip-hop balloons. I don't know what the fuck you're going to do. I get music. That's my contribution. It feels like Kid Rock has gone further on where he's no longer even considered in the hip-hop realm. Right or wrong? You're right.

But I have a sentiment there as well you know what i mean i i i have a certain like i can relate you know i'm saying to being written off you know i'm saying i'm pushed to the side to this like area you know what i mean like i don't know what that is i don't who writes you off i don't know i don't know who writes me off i could point them out i'd knock them out but but you will never write yourself off from hip-hop this is the thing you yourself would never write yourself off from hip-hop doesn't give a fuck who writes you off from hip-hop but you are hip-hop right thank you thank you that's that's my sentiment is that we know where we come from give a fuck who says we don't come from it. Right, right.

But if you come from it, then always be a part of it and give back to it. Yeah. To a certain extent. You know what I think, too, is like if it's in you, it's in you forever. Yeah. Right? Like, so if it leaves you, was it ever in you to begin with? That's a good point.

So, like, look, I'm a skateboarder, man. I grew up skateboarding. I grew up skateboarding. And riding graffiti. And skateboarding is really very close to hip-hop. Yes, absolutely. Very close to hip-hop. But I may never ride by a spot. I may not skate for fucking two or three years.

When I see a spot, I know a spot. My brother, I was the worst skater in the world, and I'm a skater till I die. Exactly. My dude. Worst skater in the world, and I'm a skater till I die. Exactly. My dude. Worst skater in the world. That's like K-pop, man. No, I was. I was. Vision Streetwear. Ain't nobody here to see you skate. The Humphrey Animal Chin.

I'm a skater, bro. Your kid in the world is just like, wait a minute. Shot to that. Shot to that. But I'm a skater till I die. I'm claiming a shot. I'm claiming a shot. But it's the same shit. Nah, for real. If it's in you, it's in you. Don't fucking leave, man. Oh, die. I'm claiming a shot. I'm claiming a shot. But it's the same shit? Nah, for real. Like, if it's in you, it's in you. For like, don't fucking leave, man.

Oh, shit, we're taking shots now. All right. Don't fucking leave. Fuck your life. Look, I'm about to call my mother. Why? Why? What the fuck you all got to do with this?

Damn, man, I'm pointing. Because I was a skateboarder. I'm way too heavy, bro. No, I know. I was a skateboarder. You are not a skateboarder, bro. All right, look, look, look. What skateboard you had?

He's got no one to use. He's like Nash. I was a skateboarder. You are not a skateboarder, bro. Look, look, look. What skateboard you had? He's got no one to... He's like Nash. I was a skateboarder. There's skateboarders out there listening to you. Yeah, yeah, no skateboarder. I was Mark Gonzalez. That was my board. Mark Gonzalez.

I don't know if you know. I think it predates you. Of course I know Mark Gonzalez. The guns. He's one of the first street skaters, like popular street skaters. Yeah, I wasn't that type of street... Was a what? Skateboarder. I was...

Mr. Lee doesn't know anything about... He only knows about Dominican Republic. Okay. Wait, wait. You were a skater, so let's go beyond that. You want me to call my mom? Yes. Alright. Let's call your mom. The first person that ever gave me a professional skateboard, his name is Mario

Rubicabo in Franklin, Tennessee. My boy saw me pushing around on a Nash skateboard that my mom could barely afford from Walmart. That was a little plastic joints, right? Yeah, and Mario Rubicabo was ollieing over bikes

on pro boards. He had landed in Franklin somehow. And Mario took me into the crib with my boys and he he saw my potential, and he saw my fucking passion. And he hooked me up with a complete, and my life changed after that. And then, you know, in my life, I thought I was going to become a professional skateboarder. Actually, that's all I wanted to be. Like, hip-hop just took over my world.

Like, music took over my world. But I took off on a skate dream. You know what I mean? I skated Tampa Am 1997. So shout out to my skateboard family, and especially John Newport, Lil Wayne. You were on Ramper Street. Street skateboarder.

Yeah, and everybody, the early Atlanta scene. Gangsta Boo, Lola. Gangsta Boo! We Atlanta scene and Gangsta Boo Lola. Gangsta Boo! We love you, Gangsta Boo. The reason I talk about her and the skateboard culture is because we loved her so much. And, like, she, you know, we all know, man, the relationships that we made along the way. But anyway, John Newport, thank you for blessing me with this rag. But is it true that at one point you stopped drinking and you started smoking and just skateboarding?

So you would just skateboard and smoke and you would do dabs before your shows? Yeah. Yeah, that's all I was doing. That's all true? Yeah, yeah. I hate dabs. That's all true. I tried to stop drinking And pick up smoking

And Yeah It's just a bad idea Meanwhile Jamie brings drinks I just gave you Some drinks guys I mean

Look man Only for me Damn All for you Holy shish kebabs Spread the love I don't think We need a drink anymore guys

I think we're done Yeah this is it for me Alright cool I gotta take these Five more shots Wow Five more shots I think we're done. Yeah, this is it for me. All right, cool. I got to take these five more shots. Wow. Five more shots. I think you're done. I'll do all five for you if you want.

Oof. That's not the way this works. No, but I think we should see him on that. Go. No, no, no. That's not the way this works. That'll get the worst. I'm going to hold myself down.

All right. But is that true? Is that true? You escaped before your shows? Yeah, yeah. For a while. I mean, that's yeah, that's all I was doing. Matter of fact, when when the shit hit the fan, I fucking jumped off tour and I was going through tour Los Angeles. Jelly Roll actually was on this tour. Jelly Roll was opening up on this tour and Struggle. And when I got to L.A., I was like, man, I'm fucking done touring man I'm over I quit tour halfway

and all I wanted to do was just skateboard and I was just psyched out man like you still skate right now? like just you know always

always there's always I always got to complete somewhere around you know I'm pushing around struggling around I trey flipped a four stair

the other day which is pretty crazy out of nowhere out of nowhere I don't even know what language that was. He's doing some tricks that he shouldn't be doing. I was dead for two days. It took me like seven tries,

but I did it. You fell on those tries? Oh, dude, I ate shit. Well, anyway. Anyway. Where was I going with this? I don't know. We want to go wherever you want. Oh, I was going to drink all five of your shots. Oh, no, no, no.

That means skin or die. Go ahead. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. But yeah, that's been a common thread in my life. And I think that you're so right to mention the intertwining of skateboarding and hip hop. I think it's very important... It's very important. It's very important in my life.

It's very important to mention how, like, okay, how am I from Nashville, but I'm hip on hieroglyphics in 1993. How did that happen? It was skateboarding. It was through skateboard videos and through skate culture and all the mixtapes that were coming through hip-hop and skateboarding has been synonymous forever but who made it mainstream and acceptable was odd future

our future no tyler i gotta say lupe palasco No no no He did At skaters we didn't respect that You a skater now I grew up as a skater bro I just told you that No I know You're keeping it G You're keeping it real

I mean look they clown like I told you I was a good skater But I was a skater Do I was a good skater I know But I was a skater Yeah but still Nonetheless Can I see a picture This is church Bro I have my

I got my I got my Mark Gonzalez board In my room Right now in my office Word up 100% Nah he

Okay I visit streetwear Always Watching skate videos All day long Terrible skater though A terrible skater Okay

Yeah I think that they I think that they did An excellent job I think you picked up Before him though Yes but that didn't Do it justice They were just being themselves man

Kick push Kick push was not respected In the skating community Look man When you skate You just skate You don't talk about it Right

That's it And then our future Was just our future And it had to be They had to wear skaters Yeah but Tyler I've been Man I was around

Way way early You know what I mean Like, I was around way, way early. You know what I mean? How about Pharrell? Wasn't he a skater? Yeah, but still. He wasn't respected? No, no. No, what he did is he sponsored skate teams.

He had real teams. But he was not respected necessarily. Little Wayne was already platinum at P-Star. Little Wayne had to learn to skate later on. He taught himself to skate. Little Wayne was real. He really was in his heart a skater.

He had to go through the motions. Listen, if you love skateboarding, then skate. It's not if it's good or bad. Exactly. It's in your heart. Yeah. That is just a personal expression.

And it's all good. If you love skateboarding, I don't give a fuck if you discover it when you're five years old or 30 years old. If you fucking love it and you're into it, be about it. Just don't fake the funk. That's all. Don't be a poser, bro. Yeah. I mean, dude.

Address me as D. dude address me as d but skateboarding and through john newport who i grew up skateboarding with is in a long stream of connections the reason why i ended up with this Drake Champs gangster. Amen. Goddamn. All right. So, it all connects in some way. It does. It does connect, bro. Let's talk about Trump music one, two, and three.

All right. Do Trump fuck with you? Do what? Do Trump fuck with you? But it's Trump. Do Trump. It's not Trump. Donald Trump?

It's not Trump music. It's Trump. No, no, no, no. I know it's Trump, but I'm saying, do Trump fuck Do Trump? It's not Trump. Donald Trump? It's not Trump. Damn. It's Trump. No, no, no, no, no. I know it's Trump, but I'm saying, do Trump fuck with you? I fuck with it. No, I fuck with this question. Yeah.

Because you know what? You know, it's very close. No, no, no. I fuck with this question. I fuck with this question. I'm going to go with you in this direction. Because, you know, Trump fuck with everybody.

Yeah, I will. Trump out of you. You listen to me. Trump fucking with everybody. Yeah, I will trump out of you. You listen to me. Trump fucking with everybody right now. I'm a little scared to check my phone. I got some unknown callers, and I'm like, I'm not sure. Because I don't know if I can say no. I'm being honest. Listen, listen.

I went too far? Listen, man. Does Trump fuck with me? OK. Does Trump fuck with the trunk? OK, listen okay this trump okay with the trunk okay listen does trump over there that's an interesting question being that i'm literally one degree away from donald trump which is bob what right bob is out there oh he's super they're their homies he's maca maca maca maca yeah no they're homies i mean they're homies like He's maca, maca, maca, maca. Yeah. No, they're homies. I mean, they're homies like, what's up?

They should be each other's toys. Listen, listen, listen, man. They're friends, okay? So being that I'm like literally one degree away, and I recently also, like for the past three years, I've been golfing. It's my new obsession. I golf.

I golf everywhere. Golfing motherfuckers. I love it. You can't peel me off the course. I'd be golfing if I wasn't here right now. I'm going to take a shot for you golfing. I'm not taking a shot. Let's go golf.

That's for you guys. Let's go golfing. What's up, Khaled, by the way? I'm trying to go golf with DJ Khaled, bro. You ain't got nothing in there? You just out there naked? Nah, man. Okay.

You ready? All right, let's go. All right, let's go. Great stuff, guys. What? What are you? I don't golf. Golfing. That's up to you guys. You're not cheering because you don't golf? Nope.

Here's to skateboarding. Oh! You good. Oh! You motherfucker. You can't get out of this shit. You're good. You're good.

Talking about golfing. You're a piece of shit. You're good. You're good. But hey, talking about golfing, continue. You and Donald Trump went golfing? No, no, no. That's not. You and Donald Trump and DJ Khaled went golfing. I'm just trying to make some happen. What I said was I'm one degree away. And because golfing has afforded me into these areas.

Golfing is like, first of all, it's incredible. But you just end up in situations where people, you know, wouldn't imagine that you would. You know, let's just be real. You know what I mean? Look, Creekwater is in Walmart right now. Okay, we're going to get back to Creekwater. That was a segue. Like a motherfucker.

No, no, no. You segway like a motherfucker right now. He's good. I'm telling No I'm just trying to I'm trying to put it together Okay so Golf

And Monster Energy Drink Is really good for golf Nah There's a connection Let's go I'm not bullshitting Let's go Creek Waters

Creek Waters and Walmart right now Because my boy Stuart Walton The The The Walton family Who I didn't know at the time Te teed off to Daddy's Lambo. That's my next question. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

His younger sister was like- Hold on, hold on, hold on. Look, look, look, look. Just so you know. What does that say right there? Daddy's Lambo. Man. You're doing my interview for me.

I don't like that. So he teed off to Daddy's Lambo. Right. Right? And his sister was like, oh, I know what I'm bringing to your private party. So the whole connection with the, that whole connection, it all spawned from golf. Like, it was like golf that brought that to make happen, man. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Make this happen? It was part of the story. You know what I'm saying? Like, Stuart Walton, Walton family, Walmart, okay, teed off to Daddy's Lambo, my song. Wow. So he was playing golf.

You know what I'm saying? So like, a lot of magic happens on the golf course. Like, when people, like, people say like,

golf. So people play music on the golf course like that? Fuck yeah. I didn't know that. We can be out there fucking, hell yeah,

dog. I'm sorry, I'm ignorant to this shit. I don't know that. I don't know that. I don't know that, y'all. Sorry. We go crazy, scallywag gang. Yo, I don't know that I don't know that We go crazy I don't know that shit

I didn't know there was speakers in the fucking grass Fuck y'all Yo you know what it is It's skateboarding all over again So it's me and my boys out there talking shit Playing music, smoking, drinking Hitting good shots, hitting bad shots Dude it's fucking the best it's

it's it's it's the best but so i played on this okay so back to the trump thing yes i would like to hear it so i played on i played on this course called uh troubadour right and it's a beautiful course in in tennessee beautiful course okay and uh there's a lot of like powerful people with pieces of real estate on this golf course and um you know i thought you know at at some point when when you like analyze like how close am i and how how scary could that be you know i mean like what does this mean for me You know what I mean? Like, what does this mean for me? You know what I mean? Like, does it, I'm,

I've never voted. What? I've never voted in my life. Come on, man. Come on, bro. What the fuck? Fuck off. I have a right not to vote.

This is American right. It's American right. Fuck off, y'all, bro. I've never voted. You know what I mean? It's all good. Well, I mean, what? You've studied? I don't study this shit.

I get fucked. I don't know. I study hip hop. I study music. That's what I do. I like that. I vote hip hop. You vote on me.

All right. I vote for the BET. Take a vote. Have a discussion. Here's a vote. Here's a vote. Go to vote. You know what I mean?

There's plenty of people that are more educated than me that deserve the right to vote than I do. If I go into a situation uneducated and vote, it's worthless. I'm not educated on these people. You mean you don't know the candidates? I don't study it enough. Okay, okay, I get it. You know what I'm saying? All year this is happening.

Take a vote. I'm like, I don't know. They all suck. They all suck either way, but. Right. It's true. Where am I going with this? No, no, I just, we never know.

But we in. Wherever you go. You're going to answer, you don't vote, go. Yeah, no, it's not that I don't vote. I said I have never voted. That's, don't vote. But this is the year not to vote. I might vote one day that I don't vote. I said I have never voted. Don't vote. But this is the year not to vote. I might vote one day.

I don't know. Motherfuckers like, I'm like, yeah, fuck with him. It's just like, you know, like, yeah, I like that guy. Ding dong. You know, like, whatever. But this year, are you going to vote this year? Nope. We're talking about Bob, I guess.

This is where we're going You like Bob Bob likes Mac Let's just throw it out there I don't know man What the hell is that Oh my wife Whether this is to be bullshit or not

Take what you want Whatever we're being real Let's be real I'm always fucking real But I'm saying we're just like grown ups Like, you know, take what you want, whatever. We're being real, you know what I mean? Let's be real. Let's just be real. Well, I'm always fucking real, but I'm saying, like, we're just, like, grownups. Like, I believe, like, if you and I are having a conversation, you know, like, at dinner, you know what I mean? And I have a certain, like, idea about how I like to live and stuff. And you're the party in the group that is politically educated.

Right. And that influence of what I'm going to talk about is going to influence your vote. Right. You know what I mean? And that's cool. You know what I'm saying? It's hard for me to fucking pick somebody that, if I'm not educated in it, I feel stupid having a conversation about it. Like, what the fuck?

I don't know. I don't want to talk about that shit. You just don't want to talk about politics. You want me to put the whole country in jeopardy for some shit that I don't even fucking know about? I don't know. No, I get it. You can be like, I don't want to talk about that shit. I don't really understand the bullshit.

Fuck the bullshit. All right. This is an edit. What? You want to take Donald Trump out? Nah, nah. I don't give a fuck about that. I'm just like.

Fuck all these politicians, bro. Fuck politics, dog. I don't want to go. Listen out nah nah I don't give a fuck about that I'm just like fuck all these politics dog I don't want to go we got no good choice we got no good choice we're all fucked about them goddamn politics neither

we went off the rails with the political shit fine let's be done with that alright let's be done

my dude you didn't hit me with my dude you didn't call me my dude you didn't hit me with my dude. You didn't call me my dude. You didn't say my dude. Listen, my wife just came here. I just want you to know I'm officially inducted into the White Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as Nori the Dude.

I am now the dude. You didn't give me EFN. Do not give me EFN. I'm not the sensei of white rock and roll. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Yes Yes you are Yes you are We cleared it We cleared it for you We cleared it

We cleared it for you And do not give it to EFN He's just like He's saying Jamie's gonna co-tie me No Jamie I've been sued

I don't know I've never seen Your dude pass Just like we've never Seen your skating pass Yo Dre You seen a skate before? Dre? Look, Dre

can't even make eye contact. Dre, you know my skate pass. You gotta pass. I have a really funny story about power. I'm gonna give it to you. No, I have a really funny story about power. This is like about

how close you could be to power. Alright? Okay. okay and oh man oh god a couple christmases ago like bob and i have had kid rock yeah please okay kid rock yeah bob and i have we're he's he big brothers me a lot you you know what I'm saying? So there's like always heated moments, you know what I mean? It like gets hot sometimes. I'll be like, my motherfucker you know, like we have these moments. Well, it got

heated one night and I was like, it was like Christmas, right? You and Kid Rock had an argument on Christmas? Yeah, because well, I found out my wife at the time, who I was separated with, was kicking it over there. Okay, shake off your hair. At Bob's Crib?

You're supposed to warn us. Your ex-wife was at Bob's Crib? Yeah, but their family, it's all- Nah, bro, we don't accept this, man. I'm sorry, we don't accept it. Now, he's- No, you cannot accept this. Nah, no, I do.

All right? But it was Christmas and I was fucking hammered and it was snowing outside and I was pissed and fucking, you know, all this shit. And I called him, you know, I was like, yo, motherfucking, you motherfucking, you know what I'm saying? I started going off. And dude, that night, I'm not shitting you, a bomb went off on 2nd Avenue in Nashville, Tennessee. And at this time, I'm living in Tennessee, Nashville, Tennessee. Nashville, like downtown. Do you remember the news about the bomb that went off on 2nd Avenue?

Do you remember hearing about that? Somebody parked a Winnebago outside. Oh, yes, I do remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was downtown when that happened. Like, boom, like, wake, like, I was there, you know? And, but the night before, I had, you know, dude, the next day,

ATF came to my door, 8D, blue jackets. Bloom, bloom, bloom, bloom. Yellow letters? At my door ate the blue jackets yellow letters at my door blue jackets yellow letters yellow letters yeah ATF okay okay

hey bro yo you fucking me up me so what the fuck did I do this guy this wasn't Cirque this was so lame this shit was

they were the motherfuckers right they pulled up and I are you Mr. Atha? I said, yeah. I said, can we come in? I said, yeah.

I mean, yeah. Boy, my heart was in my shoes, bro. I was like, what the fuck? They said, have you had any confrontations lately? Oof. And I was like, nah, I mean, nah, not that I can remember. And they were like, what about a Bobby? And I was like, what do you mean?

And he said, Bobby? I was like, Kid Rock Bob? That Bob you talking about? They're like, yeah, him. And I was like, I mean, yeah, I got in an argument with him last night. But what's the connection here? And I was like, did you have anything to do with the bombing on 2nd Avenue? Oh.

And I was like. Did you? I was like I was like first of all Bob's Place is on Broadway that's way away from Second Avenue

and second of all I ain't no fucking terrorist motherfucker like you know what I'm saying but that but that was so shocking

to me like that that fucking like how like careful with this shit y'all careful what you say careful what you do you could have a simple argument with someone and like

over the phone and some other shit happened around the corner they got you you know what I'm saying and they'll come tap in so that was like you know know, like, so. So Kid Rock phone is tapped for sure. Masha is tapped for sure.

For sure. Let's take a picture for sure. I don't know about Bob, but I just know that, like, you know, like, you get, like, close to, like, you know what I'm saying? People who move and shake, man. And they'll definitely wake you up. to like, like, you know what I'm saying? People who move and shake, man, and it's, they'll definitely wake you up. If you're sleeping on them, they'll wake you up real quick.

Are we taking a shot for us being wake up? Oh, fuck. Is this woke? Is that what we're saying? Yeah, let's be woke.

Ah. Let's just, no, no, let's just drink. I got a drink here. I'm taking a drink. I'm taking a drink.

All right, bad. Fuck it. You're going to leave me out there? Yeah, yeah, we just leave me out there, bro. No no no That's just a drink I got a drink here I'm taking a drink I'm taking a drink Alright bad Fuck it You're gonna leave me out there Yeah yeah We just leave me out there bro We was together the whole show We not together no more

Jesus They just left me Alright I'm gonna take a shot We're gonna take a picture Yo I'm gonna be honest Thank you so much man Man thank y'all Like yo

You came here You played the game you lived it the same way we want to big you up we want to continue to have your success and you know what's one of the best things that i um was researching and googling and doing all this and one of the best things that uh said about you is your fans went with you. That's why my first question to you was independent or major. And I went and you know, he watched so many interviews of you, I watched so many interviews of you.

And one of the things that was repetitive was that your fans went with you wherever you went. And I want to tell you how rare that is. If you play for the Yankees and then you play for Minnesota the next day, they hate you. If you play for LA and then you go to New York the next day, they hate you. The fact that you had this big,

luxurious career with Shady Records, Geffen, Interscope, and then you went independent, because I was so shocked that you said independent when I asked you that. But that goes to your audience. It goes to your audience. It goes to your audience. What I mean by that is they went with you. Most don't. When you take off that Yankee jersey, they say, fuck you.

They don't support you again. But the fact that you did that, you accomplished that, I want to salute you for that, man. Thank you. I want to let you know that. I really do appreciate that, man. Thank you. I want to let you know that. But because I could, you living in. I really do appreciate you, man. You living in this time,

so you probably don't know what you're doing. But I, as an outsider, that's an insider, that's an outsider looking in, I killed that. I killed that. I heard y'all.

I heard that. I felt y'all feel me. But that's what I am. And I got to tell you, continue to do your job. Continue to be great. Continue to live hip-hop. Continue to bring hip-hop, rap, country together. You making something.

And in the end, they're going to salute you. And they're going to say, that's what the fuck you did. And me and EFN, my brother, is glad to salute you. And tell you. Let's take a picture. Take a picture.

Continue to do that shit. We're going to take a picture and some couple of drops and that's it. God damn it. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production, hosts and executive producers, NORE and DJ EFN.

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